Definitely!! Glad you asked! Overall she's a stud and we can always count on her to step up. Only issue was our last game..perhaps she was at a bday party and stayed up too late? My daughter is having UCLA watch her at next game and I told them to watch your little Mia too. Great things to come!!
9:53 so if you are boasting about the PDA Shore game, how about what your excuses are for the SJB, Cherry Hill and State cup very quick exit games. Non competitive defeats from what I see. You don't have any right to be crowing about beating the PDA D team. Please.
@2:45. Wasn't boasting. Just got a chuckle that shores bs blew up in their face. I'm sure we can all agree it's nice when Pda parents are quieted. Made my night. As for SJB? Most impressive team I've seen in a while. Really played well, strong throughout the lineup. Clearly the best followed by NJ Crush. Saw them at tuckahoe and they were a strong, tight team too. Cherry hill we beat in the fall and couldve again with a little luck. I see them as an equal peer. Like Boca,maybe just below the top 3-4 but in the top 8. No shame in that. No excuses either, all teams have issues and we had ours, came thru them and are rising. Which way is shore trending? How confident are you that others aren't looking around at options that see results for less $$$ ?
It's funny that you parents boast about rankings when the best teams don't bother chasing points. PDA, Matchfit, World Class would crush most of your top 20 teams according to Got Soccer. Chase the points all you want, your teams are second tier to the top dogs!
Within two years, players from Central PA will no longer go to PF. Having kids within the boys DA system I have seen very few players traveling a distance outside their playing region. Kids travel when there isn't a DA option. We know the coaching at PF isn't very good and the recent success of PF has been based off of recruitment, not development. PAC will be fine in time. I understand it's all about today, but by the time your 2002 daughter is heading to college you will see the younger PAC teams will start to develop and fit into the GDA system.
6:35 Dad has been digging her grave with the elite coaches for years. What goes around comes around. Elite soccer is small world. "Arrogance will always reap a harvest rich in tears".
8:38 - are you on replay and the same poster saying the same thing over and over again? no one cares. let it play out and see.
are you afraid you made a mistake because that is what it seems by the desperate postings. if i was even considering for my kid, these silly, desperate posts would make me think otherwise. you are not helping your cause.
btw - PAC boys are not even in playoffs. Did that start two yrs ago?
11:46 (aka girly-man) Leah Scarpelli is a very strong and talented player, and I don’t mind saying her name, since USSF uses it all the time, but since you insist, LS, how‘s that, better? Also heard that she has left PDA for CS DA, anyone confirm that? So maybe she got the boot from both??
What is wrong with me? Besides voting incorrectly last year, not much. God Bless the United States Constitution, so that NO man, or woman, may rise above it.
Our ECNL team is not accurately reflected on GS and I am sick of hearing on Facebook how great everyone's kids are. I am not upset that we didn't get GS points, I would rather we had none. GS points need to go away! They are singlehandedly causing overuse injuries.
GS should penalize for loosing, make drastic changes to the algorithm, or just go away.
The current GS model is making coaches play more games to chase points. The coach needs to do it or kids will leave. Over 50 games in a season is crazy! 15 of top 20 teams are below 60% win percentage. 60% is a failing mark... That is only slightly above half. Instead of listing W-D-L record, everyone says where they are ranked. It's sickening and gives everyone a false perception of their team/kids ability.
"My kid will get a full ride to a great D1 school because her team is in top 10 of state ranking. Her knees and ankles are in severe pain but we will get a weeks rest in July to recover."
This is ultimately being driven by insane parents who want to win at any cost. Stop this madness!!!
That is exactly why I like the DA model. They have rules and don't exist on GotPoints, sorry GotSoccer. Wish we had one in South Jersey. Hint! Hint! It would help a little if ECLN/NPL gave some points. The showcase tourney that gets nothing hurts too. It doesn't help when the Region-1 league is giving out 8,500 GS points and crowning a National Champion.
Oh, I thought ECNL was better because winning didn't matter and it was about showcasing, now all of a sudden if your team doesn't win more than 60% of their games they are failing.
How pathetic is it to get upset because other people are posting on facebook about their kids success but your kid's team is "better" than theirs.
Winning will always be needed unless your club has pull and is part of an inner circle, which is okay. ECNL is all about participation awards for it's member clubs - look at the northeast division 70% or 10 of the 14 teams qualify for the post season and that's okay that's their format. USYS uses a slightly different model and their slogan is "earn your spot" if that NorthEast ECNL division was USYS only ONE team would advance not 10.
Teams getting GS points are successful in Gotsoccer events and others that are added manually. They sign up to play games, they win and they get points nothing wrong with any of that. If a team is playing 50 games maybe because that's the way they think their players can be seen. Is it right? it's different and to each their own.
June 9, 2017 at 8:52 AM , yes the DA model is wonderful, no over-use or burn out there. Just 4 practices a week, then travel and 2 games each weekend, come home late sunday night and do it again. 12 months a year. Sure, sounds wonderful.
Any time 9:57 - ECNL has a Champions, North American and Showcase flight. Not sure what team you are with but our team has played ECNL teams many times and beat them while playing our girls equally.
CASL no longer mixed them up and Jefferson cup remains the only place to mix them up we will be there in the top flight see you in March, unless your kid has made the GDA team in which case good luck to her and enjoy the quality.
9:59 it'no different than today. Play HS practice every day for about 3 months approx 60 sessions, subtract out the 20 games or so that leaves us with 40 practice sessions and 20 games enter club ball 3 training sessions a week for 9 months add another 96 sessions for a total of 156 practice sessions. Club also play around 30 games so that bring us to 156 practice sessions and 50 games played. GDA 4 sessions per week is 16 per month x 10 months = 160 practice sessions with a bunch of less games. Give or take
10 months of training 2 days of team training 1 day speed/agility training 1 day game video analysis 1 game every weekend Let's not forget scouts at games and showcases.
Yes, that, is pretty good. Don't be a jealous hater.
9:59 AM It is obvious you don't know what you're talking about. DA teams usually play one game each weekend, with the exception of makeup games or tournaments. Also, 4 practices a week do not mean they are on the field at each practice. Every match in the DA is filmed, and most clubs will use a day for classroom film and chalkboard sessions. In addition, DA clubs will have strength and conditioning sessions as well. Good luck with your daughters laps around her HS field, there is nothing like those double session practices in late August
Dude Christian Pulisic was developed by his parents not by PAC. They used PAC when he lived in Hershey before he went to Bradenton. I was there I have an older boy. The only thing PAC did was allow his dad to tee him up for success. Made sure the teams played his style, that is play the ball to his feet because he wasn't winning any 50-50s, played him the ball preferentially for that matter and most importantly kept him on the field when he was very small. If his dad wasn't in control he wouldn't have been offered the same opportunities and wouldn't be where he is today. Guessing his publicists is telling the family to play this as it was all Christian's doing and they just didn't "ruin him".
You can't convince people who aren't on the GDA to agree with the GDA. Haters, hate. But here are FACTS for you haters. The GDA is having a scrimmage this weekend. Here is the list of collage coaches in attendance and more are signing up each day. Did I tell you this was just a scrimmage. Can't wait for the real games and showcases to start.
1. University of New Hampshire 2. University of Hartford 3. Providence College 4. Wesleyan University 5. Southern CT State Univ 6. Iona College 7. Quinnipiac University 8. Eastern CT State University 9. Connecticut College 10. UMass-Lowell 11. Univ of Bridgeport 12. Marist College
OK, now you can blow me up and say how pretentious I am, that my kid is miserable, and I am living through her. Fact is that I did not want her to do it. She researched it and talked to a bunch of soccer people. She weighed the benefits vs HS and made the decision. Now I am supporting that decision and letting her live out her dream. College coaches told her that this is the best path to take. They told her there are many other paths but this is the best for what she wants. You can disagree. That is your choice. If the GDA doesn't fit your narrative, then continue to hate on it and blast it on this blog. Not every path is best for every kid. So now take one thing I said and twist it to fit your justification to hate on the GDA.
11:13 thanks for the topic. I will but heads with you on this one. you said the below 3 things that people have been saying forever about player selection.
1. played his style, that is play the ball to his feet. 2. Because he wasn't winning any 50-50s, 3. played him the ball preferentially which kept him on the field when he was very small
We all see what he has become - UEFA Champions league goal at 18 and full NT player who was the star last night along with Nagbe in my opinion. Both small. he was allowed to play and develop. His size didn't matter and he developed. Play ball to feet,isn't that what you are supposed to do? because he was allowed to play he developed into a world class player - how many players ride the bench because the coach loves effort and play these players even if the player has less skill (most) to win. Well it looks like they cared about development and saw the talent that he is at very young age when most would not have played him. SO CONGRATS TO HIS DAD for being in control because if he wasn't his kid would have sat for a player that was bigger and more aggressive (not a bigger heart just looked like it). Same goes to Subotic back in the days how he couldn't make our YNT was beyond me. But now I've seen first hand how things work these days.
9:52 - college coaches know that - got me some soccer points - does not tell the full story don't worry about the other team. if your kid is playing on a well respected club on a descent team that plays or is trying to play good soccer, then don't care about their chase.
I heard about the GDA scrimmage, is it true that James Comey will be there? The rumor is someone is a Russian agent, is it your coach, what’s his name, Vlad something?
I love fact checking but on a board like this it is not easy if even possible. The colleges listed are not anything to cheer about or sneer about. It actually looks like the same list of colleges that will be participating in the Northeast Summer ID Camp. They are also attainable across a broad spectrum of players/teams/leagues. When I was 15/16 I researched the car I wanted, did my homework and talked to mechanics thought about a motorcycle as well as walking, but I realized that if I had a nice car I would be the envy of my friends...even if I couldn't drive it. Impressed that your daughter did her research and hopefully that is what she wants, but doesn't everyone want the shiny new thing if it is offered. I'm sure as a parent the first thing you did was post to FB that your daughter made the GDA, hyped it as the path to the Olympic team. Let me know when the coach takes off the training wheels and the shiny Cadillac (team) needs to go into the shop a few times to re-tool. If your daughter is still on the field congrats, "she" made a good choice.
Actually I never posted a word to facebook or any other site. I think that all of that bragging is BS. I never posted that she made ODP, never post tournament victories, and never post when she scores a goal. I honestly don't understand that mentality.
Like any new thing there is a great deal of risk involved. Like buying that new car. The first year a new model is introduced, there are a lot of bugs to be worked out. Other times they put in an oversized engine with a luxurious trim package that makes the initial investment worth it's weight in gold. You never know. This could all blow up in our face or be the chance of a life time. Don't hate on us for taking a chance that you wouldn't. Stay on your route if that is what is best for your family. By the time this age group sees it was if it was a good choice or not, it will be too late for the ones who made the wrong choice.
Don't understand the mentality - Bragging? it's called being proud of your kid and their achievements and wanting to share with friends and family her accomplishments. Nothing wrong with that but there is something wrong with someone being jealous of that love, you are taking something very pure and simple and turning it into something it is not.
This board is just like Fox vs CNN same story two totally different views and people will side with the one that'son their side of the fence.
GDA might be good, but the previous poster had it right that it will take several years. They have to shake out what teams are involved, the procedures, what works, what doesn't. And parents know this. Year one is shake out. year 2 is starting to build. and Year 3 maybe they have something good. US Soccer is not smart if they were they would not invite college coaches right away. new teams, new stuff, no chemistry between teammates. you don't invite in the food critics day 1 opening a new restaurant. I know some very savvy parents who are sitting this out. And its 4 sessions weekly with 2 games every weekend, with big travel and big costs, and no high school. If ECNL didn't exist, they might get out of the blocks strong. but they are not.
1203 you aren't buting heads you are agreeing with me. Had CPs dad not managed his career and he was only a regular PAC player. SK would have sat him on the bench or relegated him to the B team and he would have never made it to where he is today. PAC provided his dad the venue and the pool of other players to choose a team to play for him that maximized CPs development. For that any one of DA clubs would have sufficed for his purposes. FYI No playing balls to feet doesn't work when your style of play is play it to the fast big kid to run onto. NO I didnt say: played him the ball preferentially which kept him on the field when he was very small. I said played the balls to his feet so that he didn't end up in a lot of 50-50s AND kept him on the field as opposed to on the bench or on the B team when he was smaller than the other kids and PAC style was big, strong and fast (and my kid was a big strong and fast kid that TW himself loved)
The quote you seem to have difficulty comprehending was - Made sure the teams played his style, that is play the ball to his feet because he wasn't winning any 50-50s, played him the ball preferentially for that matter and most importantly kept him on the field when he was very small.
12:03 - you are having a hard time following along. Let me try to put this simply. there is ONE game per weekend. Two weekend days, one game. Not two. Got it?
so 4 sessions a week, Monday to Thursday, drive 4pm after school about 6 hours to virginia, spend monies on a hotel, play one 90 minute game with a roster of 22 kids and substitution rules which i believe limit it to 6 subs 17 total kids and 3 sub opportunities so no way coach takes off your top 6 kids other than in the last 10 minutes. and drive 6 hours home get home about 9pm on Saturday. Have sunday off. squeeze in home work on Sunday. Wake up monday. repeat. 40+ weeks. yes, wow so much better that its only 1 game per weekend!!
don't waste your time supporting GDA vs. all other soccer stuff. they won't get it. Columbus was going to fall off the end of the world too because the world was flat. The naysayers have always been around and will always be around. Do what you feel is good for you, your daughter and your family. And, if you change your mind, you have options. Good luck.
Just curious, what percentage of GDA teams will be made up of former ECNL players, any guesses?? I am not completely sure, but I would say 95%, that is very telling, no??
Dang it. Like getting wasted in front of my daughter's friends at the hotel bar. oh well. guess i will just have to show up at the field already in the bag :)
It depends on the club and how good your child is. My daughter has signed with one of the clubs, and her tuition is much cheaper than I was paying at Crush
2:01 it varies on the club, age group .. and sometimes on a player
1,544 - Number of players to receive full scholarships from Girls' Academy Clubs 6,400 - Number of projected Development Academy girls' players for inaugural season
Does anyone know how much for full amount (no discount or free ride) to play DA? Is cost for boys same as girls?
PA Classics? Penn Fusion? Sky Blue? Cedar Stars?
Not counting travel expenses, just registration and training cost. Nothing is available on the different club websites. Most posters say registration is less than ECNL so prove it!
10:32 I don't maybe to compare the market? Maybe they have some younger kids, maybe they are with the club and want to know where their fee falls, who cares why they care? This is where a board like this can be helpful. Trying to figure out the legit posts from the fake news well that's another story.
Going by recent posts GDA for 25 league games, 120 training sessions, 3 showcase events +playoffs if they are good.
$2,000 PA Classics $3,000 PennFusion $4,000 NYSC Sky Blue $5,000 PDA SkyBlue
vs my kid's team. $2,000 for 14 league games, State Cup, Bethesda, CASL, Disney, Jefferson, PDA and a TBD showcase + 80 training sessions. For my kid who is not a YNT prospect but is D1 college material is just right for us (still expensive but it is what it is). It's not ECNL where they have 3 top notch showcase events and they do CASL and Jefferson in addition to the 3. So basically, it comes down to Bethesda, Disney & PDA vs the 3 ECNL showcases and since PDA is both it comes down to San Diego vs Disney which is a wash for my kid since west coast is not in the cards and Bethesda which doesn't compare to any ECNL event, but they do another event.
If my kid was YNT material price wouldn't be what I look at - it would be the brand and it's connections.
Why would you trust the information provided here?
How will you compare the programs? What exactly is included? Uniforms, coach travel costs, frequency, duration and structure of training? Number of games/tournaments included?
My concern is if I am over paying. I want my daughter to excel but I don't want to be taken advantage of. All of this is new and I don't want to enter uninformed of the competitions cost. I think our price is too high and I want to know what the going rate is. Same as any major purchase that I make. Just doing homework.
11:06 Are you trying to convenience those that went GDA that your route is better? Pretty sure they went the route they did because they found it wasn't for them.
Just noting, too, that you left out league play whatever it is (nat'l league; regional; EDP; NPL). So tack those games and travel/lodging on to your expenses as well.
Nothing is perfect. Just have to find the place that fits best for you, family and more importantly, your daughter.
11:21B the route we took was better for my kid, my wallet & her skill set. Just putting out some details from our situation. You make what you want of it. At my kid's club uniforms are extra everything else is included in the tuition nothing out of pocket besides travel.
You are correct she plays about 14 games less than she would with the GDA assuming she played every game and like I said she is not YNT material and would have to fight other D1 kids for minutes/games which is now out of her control since we all know coaches play the players that fit their style, she is currently at 80-60 mins per game to risk going to potentially 20 in her sophomore year was way to much of a risk.
11:13 you don't - but I put ours out there, you'll know if it falls inline or not based on what's included.
11:21A I am 11:06 and I don't blame you for asking the question. That's whY I gave our situation which falls in line with NYSC regular team not their GDA.
1:37 this must be hard for you to comprehend huh? I only listed the price for my kids GDA. Not all 4. I'm no troll. I see no reason not to answer someone's basic question.
Rutgers has three 8th grade commits this year that are public. All three obviously are PDA players, the last commit is moving to PDA for the Fall. All good players. Will be interesting to follow over the next four years on how they progress etc. Long time till the letter is signed, anything can happen. My opinion and I'm nobody is its too soon, but if your in 8th grade and know exactly what you want then hey you have less to worry about I assume about getting into college. My daughter is waiting till sophomore year to entertain any offers if any. Good luck to all three, I hope their dreams come true.
I wish all 3 the best of luck, but from my view, 8th grade is waaaay too early. The verbal commitment is not a binding agreement on either sides part. They may end up there, but they may not. Does the same 50 mile NCAA rule apply to players that have verbally committed to the school that is coached by their club team? Does the verbal commitment get around that? Just curious.
It is interesting but if an 8th grader has good interest from a school with a wide selection of majors why not commit. I also think Rutgers is an "In State School" so tuition is also somewhat more attainable for a player from Jersey. Are there other Colleges tied to Club programs. I know that St. Joes and Villanova coaches are active at Continental and FC Bucks and you will see players from those clubs committing to those schools. My daughter has a more narrow major so she needed to focus on specific schools, she was fortunate to find a school that had her major with a team that needed someone at her position.
4:07 So what happens if an NT player shows interest in the same school as your kid just prior to signing day? Will the school turn away the player? Probably not, what happens to your kid - if they pull some money from your kid since all she has is a verbal as a Freshman?
All I can say is wow. Not sure my 8th grader would be ready for this. Best of luck to her. This could be the best scenario or the worst when she finds out the coach found a new toy somewhere else. So Duke offers her a spot anyway...does she turn it down?
If that's how it works then I guess the girl who committed as a freshman did not do her due diligence to lock-up her deal. I would be interested to hear an early commits story to see how it actually works. If you commit as a freshman in highschool is there a specific $$ associated or is that determined over the course of the full class recruitment. As a freshmen commit I believe the college coach is just confirming that if everything works out (admittance wise) he/she wants you on the team. Committing as a freshman helps sway the admissions board and fast paths the application but the school wants to make sure the grades and educational effort exists. So coming out of 8th grade as an honor roll student is good but sustaining that level through HS is expected and falling below can derail the process. As a parent you could say that is a benefit of committing early, knowing that your daughter has to maintain her grades a well.
haha - so that is what the kids that aren't academically eligible for state colleges do? switch to private? haha you don't default to a private college.
No you default to a state school and not play :) I think the point the original poster was making is that committing to a private college as a freshman is more difficult as the admission criteria is much higher. My older daughter had her pick of state schools (D2) and D1 but held off on committing until the spring of her Junior year, and committing to a D3 private that has a great balance of soccer and academics in a very beautiful campus. Far enough away from home to be independent but close enough for us to get to games. For her major she would have played 4 years but gone 6 based on the additional off campus requirements. The coaches were trying to also persuade her to a different major. Committing at a younger age leaves a player susceptible to some suggestions that may be better for the coach/team than for her.
If you verbally accept as an 8th grader to say Rutgers and junior year Duke offers you best take that degree from Duke. No brainer. Soccer severed its purpose.
The club would rather have you in the team photo with a Duke hoodie verses a Rutgers hoodie anyway. They have enough D3 Rutgers kids already (NOT a slam on D3) and want to show diversity. They want to use you for marketing because they got you that scholarship.
no, YOU (the kid) got the scholarship. the club helped facilitate it. but never forget the role of the child in this and the work they do both academically and athletically.
Obviously this kid did most of the work. I was talking for the club and their feelings towards the situation. They really think they are the only reason a scholarship was awarded. My point is that they will continue to use you, even after you are gone. They only care about where you are going and how they can market your success and hard work to recruit more players. They don't define the level of monies, just that you are in. Don't ever forget that this a business in the end. A proven track record of consistently sending kids to top schools is their main recruiting tool. Problem is that the C & D teams in this big machine think they will get the same exposure and offers. Funny how you never see their picture.
How can they make money off you when you are here. How can they make money off you when you move on.
I know it's bad to feed trolls but I thought I would offer some free Therapy. And quite honestly I don't know who the kittycats are. But if you feel like you have been wronged by an organization or a coach you should really take it up with them. If you are looking at vindication because you left an organization and feel like pointing out losses makes you better...it doesn't You are not more successful because of someone else's failures. We left a PA team a few years ago, they were middle of the road as was the team we went to, the only time I was happy when they lost is when it was to the new team my daughter was on. And mostly because my daughter's team won. So do yourself a favor and forget about the old team unless your playing against them, and then act like a decent person no matter the outcome. I almost feel like you are one of those Friday Night Tykes parents.
7:29 - don't assume the kid did most of the work. sometimes, and not saying this or these, are the case but there could be other things in play that have nothing to do with ability or dedication like politics, connections, getting a kid on the cheap (not a lot of $$ spent, if at all, some just like getting a spot), etc.
Yep. ODP is a joke. Club teams are enamored with taking kids who have this status. Meaningless now that you have the DA. Many girls who have ODP status did not make various DA's.
ODP - "Individual" for that player who likes their local club team and can't pay the high Academy cost or can't travel to the DA 5 days a week. High level players can move up to Region and National level where competition will be higher or equal to the DA. Also, Regional and National exposure will be close to DA. Unfortunately you need to show up with the skills because training is very week.
DA - "Team" is for the player who wants, can afford, can travel for practices and games. Better environment for learning team tactics and training will be better than the Academy/HS mix that most are opting for. Exposure WILL be more than all other choices if sales pitch from US Soccer is true. Missing the social aspect is a individual choice that should be made with realistic goals in mind.
Agree with all. But remember the DA is being run by USWNT. Therefore not sure why ODP will conintue to exist. Olympic Development Program is now the DA.
ODP will exist because the state and region YS offices need it to!
It is needed to justify their jobs and importance. They will go against US Soccer and offer ODP as an alternative to DA. ODP is expensive for players and if they loose that revenue stream they will no be able to pay the staff. US Club is slowly killing them with a better carding system that allows more freedom to clubs. US Club is also taking "would be" ODP candidates into their PDP program. The strategy of having USYS board members inserted in local leagues to keep USYS affiliation mandatory will not work much longer. The State cup and National Championship is the only reason they will be afloat in the next few years. Watch that entry fee skyrocket. Give it time before USYS is the way of the buffalo. They are already a shell of their former selves.
I guarantee that members from YS state offices are on this blog soon pretending to be concerned parents who are against the DA.
It's good to have options, but to many water down the product. This is the natural evolution of everything. There is no direct path to College Soccer/Pro Soccer, it is all up to the folks making the decisions at the highest level. So take US soccer and USYS and whatever alphabet group there is and at the very top you have people who think they know what they are doing followed by those on their coat tails who hope they know what they are doing. There is a great Gatorade commercial out that shows a Basketball player and the basic script is that this kid is #1 in his league, but there are 100 other #1's in his state and multiply that by every state (they don't get in to the possibility of international competition which is a big factor in colleges recruiting soccer players). So USYS and US Soccer are making the determination of who gets to the front of the line based on their local minions evaluating players, notice I did not say talent I said players. Because #1 at Continental at u17 vs #1 at PF vs #1 at PAC are the same on the field, skills, and ability, but the PF/PAC girl is at PF/PAC , PF/PCA gets the DA and DA is the path to the next level now. Sure the Continental girl may get poached, but she is starting with less credentials than the known. Then there are the favors and the cost and a lot of other factors. Sure for the UNT at U17 you may get a competent team but there are 11 other girls that would compete against the 11 on the field and beat them. So while DA has it's place atop the Soccer mountain in the US the ODP and ECNL and EDP and NPL all have girls that should be in the top 1% that won't because of not being fortunate enough to impress a coach at the local level and by impress I mean have the right connections/cash.
My suggestion is to determine where you want to be as a player and enjoy it when you reach your goal.
Only when there is financial incentive to id talent will the talent become the most important thing. But there are drawbacks to that system as well. Is what it is...a biz with the player's families as the customers.
"The rich stay rich" and "...spend money to make money"
It's the American way, like it or not.
You have to look at it as an investment. Future employers love people who showed they could balance sports and academics. As long as the scholarship is worth more than club fees you win.
Well....wish i could agree. I see my nerdy classmates are the ones doing well right now,financially any way. Soccer is worthwhile but it is not an investment.
3:03, 99.999% of the entire world population will NEVER know NOR care about the difference between GDA, ECNL, NPL, EDP, JAGS, ABCD or HIGH SCHOOL. if you are talking resumes now, for real world stuff, not soccer jobs or joining a soccer team, but real resumes, as many will tell you, listing high school varsity captain on your resume goes 10x further than listing gda cedar stars. of course we all know the difference, but employers dont care nor would they know the difference. if you want great kids who know how to balance stress and the rigors of things, stop crapping on high school soccer. it gives the kids some things that all the stuff soccer does not.
6:25 - it may behoove you to learn a few things. Ivy's don't give athletic scholarships. Not dissing an opportunity at an Ivy league school. Not at all.
When schools make offers, you have the ability to negotiate based on your child's ability and where she may fall in the evaluation process with the college coaches. And, grades are important as well as ability as noted in the previous paragraph.
In some of the recent posts, it sounds like some bitter posters on here as far as opportunity. Some opportunities have to be sought out. They don't just fall out of the sky.
And, the best kids no matter what league they are in and what team, are easy to see and usually known. As they get older, they like to play with others that have similar skills, soccer iq, ability and desire. Opportunities sought out. That's the key.
Well since they are only two of three tri state area ECNL teams to make the championship brackets they should scrimmage each other. Who else is going to get them ready for the tournament? Definitely not your daughter's
Stop getting defensive 10:38, no slight to either team, they are both strong, should be a great match. The competition next weekend will be challenging, wish them both success!!!
12;20 take a step back any you tell me what this looks like.
74 ECNL teams - 32 qualify for Championships, another 16 qualify for the North American cup and another 16 qualify for the Showcase event - So they play their league games to qualify for what exactly, when 64 of the 74 teams qualify for something? Is that hard? Simple question no spin when 64 of the 74 teams qualify is that hard - forget the league name for a second? Is it hard?
or 5 of the 14 teams in the Northeast qualify for Champions another 4 qualify for North American and 1 in the showcase. So that's 10 of the 14 qualify for something what's so hard about the league? I never said the teams weren't good they just have it easy. Now if only 1 qualified for nationals then that would be hard.
12:05 - On the East Coast - Bethesda, CASL, Disney and Jefferson are very good opportunities for exposure. Then some teams play in State Cups where only 1 advances and others play in USYS leagues where only 1 Advances to Regionals. I think all the tops teams have exposure down my friend. No Spin - I just said the league was not hard. It can't be hard when over 70% qualify as compared to only 1.
So I guess you are saying beating WNY Flash Academy - ECNL U15, Continental FC ECNL U15, FC Boston Scorpions ECNL U15 & FC Bucks ECNL U15 to qualify for one of the 3 events is hard? No spin straight up are these teams hard?
7:20 very familiar with how the ivy's work as far as $$$. But do not call it an athletic scholarship. It is frowned upon in the league to call it that (may lead to some unwanted telephone calls to NCAA; crazy i know). I would absolutely call it a scholarship or aid. And it is usually very generous.
1;25 - why do you care? What would be the solution? Sign up and pay a fee like other leagues and use got me some soccer points to get in? These are based on records and tiered accordingly. nonetheless, it's were the college coaches will be. so there must be something to it.
1:34 over 70% qualify for a showcase event; not top division. And based on the amount of coaches that attend, including head coaches & US Soccer scouts (to all the ECNL showcase events), there must be something to it.
1:25 You are correct 32 teams qualify for the championship series in Illinois. The other 32 are going there for exposure only. No title on the line. It wasn't just playing those weak teams that got them there. Results from national ECNL events also played into determining points awarded for making championships, not just league play. As one posted earlier, exposure is everything. College coaches attending list is pretty impressive. Good luck to all playing next week.
2;16 I don't care I just said it wasn't hard. Never said the teams weren't good and never said college coaches don't go to their events. But yet people called out my post - so i backed it up with why I thought it wasn't hard. You see you didn't answer my question either you spun into something else. I just said the league wasn't hard why send 70% of the teams why not 100%? Oh yeah because that's what recreational leagues do with their participation awards. Is it hard to qualify for ECNL nationals (10 out of 14 teams) when 4 of the teams are WNY Flash Academy - ECNL U15, Continental FC ECNL U15, FC Boston Scorpions ECNL U15 & FC Bucks ECNL?
Solution - Okay how about the division Champs only qualify for national Championship and EVERY OTHER TEAM plays in the showcase event. Simple right?
2:25 You are correct 43% (32 out of 74) qualify for the top division and 43% qualify for the showcase that's 86% I math was off a little. Participation awards = 100%, 86% pretty close no? You also spin it into coaches are going. Yes they are I never said they weren't once again I said it wasn't hard.
2:51 I agree but playing those easy teams helped since all the others didn't play them unless of course there are other easy teams like them in the league, another one with the coaches. I never said the events weren't rock solid or the top teams weren't good. I just said the league wasn't hard.
For example 15 region 1 states have a state championship maybe not hard to win it - but if FC Stars, BBA and Boston played only 1 would advance, in NJ if the PDA 3 teams, MF 3 teams, SJEB, NJ Wildcats, Arsenal all played only 1 would advance then they would have to get past MA winner to get to nationals, I didn't include CT, NY, PA., VA & MD teams ONLY 1 from each of those states - that's hard not 86%
134 32 higher quality teams qualify to play in the top flight of the league. All 32 teams are higher quality than the 1 state cup winner. But now the rules change and there will be no clear collection of top talent ...for a year or two anyway.
Again we all appreciate all the breakdown your doing for this percentage and that percentage and being in a tough or not so touch league. Can we all agree that it is all about exposure to as many college coaches as possible so that our daughters have as many options as possible? FACT: 86% of ECNL teams will be in front of many college coaches next week
4:07 - exactly. and 92% of ECNL graduating players moving on to play college soccer next year. System works, and is the best one out there right now. The college coaches lining the fields for the national events seem to agree.
That's great that you beat ECNL teams. We get it it's all good. My kid plays ECNL and anything can happen on any given day. She expects to win regardless of what league the opposing team plays in. I'm not a snob parent just enjoy watching her and her team play. Hope her team does well next week. Btw? 6:32 6:53 and 8:34. Complete tool boxes. See you on the high school field in the fall. Can't wait. We'll be there
3:18 not sure what you are looking at but I am getting slammed with USYS notifications re President's Cups for various Regions; Region League for various Regions; NCS (state cup stuff) for various Regions, not to mention the Turkey Hill stuff and so on. Seems like there are many more participation awards going on here then ECNL.
6:32 6:53 and 8:34 won't see you on the high school field. doing GDA. Yep one of "those." stay gold pony boy (all good things must come to an end). See ya in the Academy blog.
3:18 how cool would that be if the ECNL teams competed for state cups, too? A true state champion would be crowned as it would be all out for all the leagues (and ECNL not sitting any commits, etc. like what happens in non-ecnl showcase events). Gritty, grinding, championship soccer for all the marbles.
Even more GDA tryouts! When will they end!? I believe (correct me if I'm wrong) DA rules say you have to play 25% of the games (how much) even if you are on the bench. But is there such rule in ECNL?
Are there still extra tryouts on the long island?
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1st President's cup is an open State Cup that is a stand alone from NCS - teams at the next level can choose this option if they are goingto get smoked by NCS teams. - Again an OPEN format for teams that choose to play in this event. CHOOSE!
2nd Turkey Hill is also an OPEN state cup at the rec level where teams CHOOSE to play with no travel to regionals. Again teams CHOOSE to play.
Both of these are B/C options andonly the teams that select theseeventsplay in these events. Not a participation award - not even close. just anopportunity for more kids to enjoy playing meaningful games.
ECNL is a closed league that offers 86% of their teams an opportunity to advance. What about the other 14% like it really makes a difference to exclude them?
11:39 It would be cool but that would expose way to many people if that happened.
1st protection - keep people thinking that the ECNL brand makes the team a great option (FALSE) great clubs don't need the ECNL brand - see PDA. By playing in state cup teams like1776 would expose Delco and Bucks.
2nd also keeps the ECNL selectors safe can you imagine if an NPL team beats the ECNL team at the same club - way to many headaches for the DOC/Coaches on why their kids weren't selected. Much easier to keep it closed and easy to advance to a national event great for marketing the ECNL brand notthe club brand.
4:46 yes that's 92% from 74 clubs which is approx 1,200 players which is approx 60% of all the players needed per class. Very impressive that's all that matters to all the kids but not what i'm talking about.
3;46 how do you know? has SJEB played PDA/MF? has 1776 played Delco/Bucks/PF? Speculation my friend nothing more
I asked the question is it easy for an ECNL team to advance to nationals (64 of the 74 teams)? You keep bringing up questions about recruitment never said ECNL sucks at that they are great at. They MAKE their teams go to 3 national events. What is SJEB and1776 were forced to play at Surf Cup, Jefferson and PDA (all 3 are open to non ECNL teams) same exposure NO? Then you have Diusney and Players Cup (Vegas), plus NC event that's should equal ECNL Playoffs and nationals from an exposure point of view. So plenty ofoptions to go around.
Simple question is it hard for ECNL teams to advance to nationals? This is 4:46, 4:07
ECNl parents from NJ NY are all snobs. Lets call it like it is. Blow hard, know-it-all, entitled jerks. Have you ever sat near them on the sidelines, its like the crowd at a golf championship other than golf crowds are quiet. ECNL folks like to think they are superior to non-ECNL teams. Little clue. you're not. not even close. the best may be better or as good. Your 4 letters dont give you skill, speed, talent, coaching. You've bought into the implied value of those 4 letters and the large businesses that call you a customer are able to squeeze another $1500 to $2500 a year from you. you talk down on others so expect everyone else to dish that crap back. when i see most of these jeff cup or other non-ecnl tournaments, your teams are just average. the best non-ECNL teams beat your ECNL squads regularly. oh we could go on. since most on here are not-ECNL, let me be clear, we all feel this way. and you entitled elitists feel otherwise. sharks vs jets. noone liked the rich entitleds.
4:26 You are an idiot. That is all I will say. Well maybe I will say a little more. Sounds like you are a little jealous or bitter. Or a Bernie or Hillary supporter. LMAO.
12:52 - such a homer. Closed events. Hahahaha. Not sure you are aware, but ECNL teams are not allowed to compete in those OPEN events; so not really open now are they? plus 1776 didnt' win a game vs ECNL teams at Jeff Cup; finished 13 out of 16 in bracket. so there's that.
Happy Father's Day to all the Dads out there, who let's face it, make this amazing journey possible for their daughters. Enjoy the quiet moments, since they are becoming harder to find.
To answer your question it is hard to make the championship series. As you know in this game anything can happen so the teams have to produce points over the course of the year to qualify. The rest of the teams are going out there for a college showcase. Isn't that why you spend countless dollars year round? To get your kid in front of coaches, right? Then why bash the playoffs and the showcase? "To squeeze another $1500 - $2000" If you've been in this journey with your daughter for some time as most of us have, aren't these the opportunities that we ultimately hope for? And the $10,000/year + that most on this board spend, and extra 1500 your gonna complain about?
4:26 here are the results for your non ECNL teams vs. ECNL over the past 7 months
Jeff Cup: 4 wins, 15 losses, 8 ties CASL: 1 win, 1 loss, 1 tie Bethesda: 6 wins, 9 losses, 2 ties
and i have found i spent less money in ECNL than USYS with my daughter.
Her old USYS club seemed to enter every tourney out there and not local either (so spent a ton in travel and lodging). So, while her old team did great (a top GSP point collector even winning showcase brackets at top tourneys), kids weren't getting good offers with any real $$.
Not trying to diss any of the leagues, these are kids and coaches putting in time and effort when they could be doing something else. But, did find more opportunity in ECNL than USYS just in the number of coaches that attend showcase events, league games and even practices.
Happy father's day. just relax and enjoy all of this. It goes by very quickly.
U-15 Non-Ecnl - Red showcase. Another tournament where the non-ECNL teams have a chance to mingle with ECNL teams - including 4 that qualified for the champion's league.
Non-ECNL vs ECNL - 8 wins, 6 losses.
There are lots of great non-ECNL teams that can compete easily with ECNL, and they get invited to do so.
It's when ECNL marketing chooses to cherry pick data and parents quote it verbatim: "best competition", "the only way to get recruited" - that's when soccer dies.
I am not OP but I would not have considered it. It's an ECNL tourney. ECNL teams were competing against each other in the ECNL brackets. If they weren't, then it probably wasn't the real ECNL. I heard maybe some clubs were doing this putting kids from other teams on their roster (NPL, USYS from within the club) to get others showcased and try them out for that team too. It's a good tool.
I would love to see full roster teams from different leagues compete against each like in a state cup tourney or something. I think that would be great. Maybe with GDA starting, ECNL teams will be able to compete in states. GDA will still get the no go, probably.
12:50 i would hope that most don't begrudge a kid getting a good showing in front of college coaches whatever the event (league or non-league). it's the name of the game. i would never wish that a child would fail. that's just not cool.
I didn't include PDA because it was an ECNL event and I didn't realize (not conveniently) that the lower brackets had a few ECNL teams in them. Did those numbers really make a difference? If it did for you 12:24 then that's awesome. And to set the record I personally am not bashing or saying anything negative towards your daughters journey. I get it that you feel the way you do when some of the ECNL teams parents that come on this blog and bash non ECNL programs. That is not me. I love the sport for these girls and in my opinion our kids play the toughest most physical sport available for their gender. There are many non ECNL parents/coaches that love to do the same thing on this blog. I laugh when it goes both ways because its at most entertaining. Its all good and makes for an interesting blog. So I will now include the results from the PDA tournament to sum up four of the 16/17 tourneys that included a lot non ECNL v ECNL: 19 wins, 31 losses, 11 ties
They weren't lower brackets. They chose to have one bracket of just ECNL teams. Which is stupid since they are paying to play in a tournament against many of the same teams that they play in their league. Again not wanting to play outside competition for fear of losing.
If you understood the process, the ECNL division was for teams upholding league event requirements so the results are included in the ECNL standings. The other "lower" bracket that included ECNL were ECNL teams that already fulfilled the league requirements. Nothing more.
3:21 it's not a choice. PDA was an ECNL tourney (hence no got soccer points garnered for anyone).
In the league, an ECNL team needing to fulfill it's required national event quota (you must attend either 2 or 3 events per year as a requirement to play out of conference teams) could not particpate in a non-ECNL bracket. The PDA tournament was the last ECNL nat'l event before post season play.
The PDA event (which club has a number of non-ECNL teams as well) is open for non-ecnl to participate in their own non-ecnl bracket. this allows non-ECNL teams who qualify to attend and get in front of these many, many college coaches that attend. If quota reached, an ECNL team can participate in non-ECNL and include those not on its regular roster (since non-ECNL play isn't considered league play or part of the league play record).
as i only learned this recently, too, maybe this will help with some misconceptions of how this tourney is set up. there is no conspiracy. like nat'l league stuff doesn't include ECNL teams as they are league games. Same here.
I would love to see the attendance of college coaches from any non ecnl vs non ecnl games at PDA. Then maybe we can see if you get a lot of bang for your buck. Can anyone furnish?
I labeled it as "lower" brackets because PDA is an ECNL event and they list the ECNL teams in the "top" brackets. Sorry 3:21 if top just offended you. You just beat my wife in the sensitivity department.
Makes sense, Ringling Bros gave it's final performance a week earlier. Needs a job. Soccer is where the $$ is for jobs. Heard the jockey from the diving horse was a ref, too.
321 the national events are structured so no team plays a team in its Division. No team would travel to play a team it has already played or will play. The ecnl events are very well run. The ussf better hit the ground running or it will appear to have failed in its mission to elevate the development of girls in this transition. The boys only had the frequently accused of corruption USYSA to compare. The girls a well run, well oiled machine that was gaining momentum. Regionals on horrible and frankly unsafe surfaces were the norm for us USA events. Nationals in OK and Dallas in July. Brilliant. Anyone with older kids been to West Virginia or URI? Horrific. I mean Western West Virginia?? How could anyone possibly think that was an ideal venue? I heard the first year the fields were dirt because the grass had just been planted. There are many outstanding venues in r1 yet they weren't chosen. URI every year for camp? Why you might ask...
Dude, WV has been replaced by Fredericksburg, VA - they have turf and nice grass fields. URI has been replaced by Gettysburg. The USSF is the place to be for any girl wanting to play YNT - for all the others plenty of opportunities ECNL gets 60% per class and that leaves another 40% from where ever. THE ECNL boast 92% really great when you have only 74 teams that makes up the 60%. The 40% the Non-ECNL teams put in college come from hundreds of teams, so great job to them for that. But they also promote meaningful games,how can something be meaningful when 86% of the teams qualify for a post season event. Why not just the division champs play each other and all the others are in a showcase more money for them what's another 10 teams being invited to the party?
Because these depressed areas that normally don't appear on any map much less anyone's idea of a destination are full(hotels, restaurants, gas stations,etc.) for 5 days for hosting regionals. Ever hear of kickbacks? This is how they US Soccer treats their paying customers. As Marks.
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Not that parent
Does anyone have an opinion about my daughters abilities??
Definitely!! Glad you asked!
Overall she's a stud and we can always count on her to step up. Only issue was our last game..perhaps she was at a bday party and stayed up too late?
My daughter is having UCLA watch her at next game and I told them to watch your little Mia too.
Great things to come!!
9:53 so if you are boasting about the PDA Shore game, how about what your excuses are for the SJB, Cherry Hill and State cup very quick exit games. Non competitive defeats from what I see. You don't have any right to be crowing about beating the PDA D team. Please.
@2:45. Wasn't boasting. Just got a chuckle that shores bs blew up in their face. I'm sure we can all agree it's nice when Pda parents are quieted. Made my night. As for SJB? Most impressive team I've seen in a while. Really played well, strong throughout the lineup. Clearly the best followed by NJ Crush. Saw them at tuckahoe and they were a strong, tight team too. Cherry hill we beat in the fall and couldve again with a little luck. I see them as an equal peer. Like Boca,maybe just below the top 3-4 but in the top 8. No shame in that. No excuses either, all teams have issues and we had ours, came thru them and are rising. Which way is shore trending? How confident are you that others aren't looking around at options that see results for less $$$ ?
It's funny that you parents boast about rankings when the best teams don't bother chasing points. PDA, Matchfit, World Class would crush most of your top 20 teams according to Got Soccer. Chase the points all you want, your teams are second tier to the top dogs!
Does anyone know why Leah Scarpelli was dismissed from the U17 National team, heard it was attitude based, shocking...
Most likely bc of the attitude like the last poster 6:15
"I'm the best, please kiss my a**"
Within two years, players from Central PA will no longer go to PF. Having kids within the boys DA system I have seen very few players traveling a distance outside their playing region. Kids travel when there isn't a DA option. We know the coaching at PF isn't very good and the recent success of PF has been based off of recruitment, not development. PAC will be fine in time. I understand it's all about today, but by the time your 2002 daughter is heading to college you will see the younger PAC teams will start to develop and fit into the GDA system.
MatchFit will crush who ? Puleeeze .
Stats guy please list current qualifiers for NPL Finals, National Cup and Region 1 tournament.
6:35 Dad has been digging her grave with the elite coaches for years. What goes around comes around. Elite soccer is small world. "Arrogance will always reap a harvest rich in tears".
635 - are we supposed to put names out there? may want to use initials, only. btw - she is a fantastic player.
8:38 - are you on replay and the same poster saying the same thing over and over again? no one cares. let it play out and see.
are you afraid you made a mistake because that is what it seems by the desperate postings. if i was even considering for my kid, these silly, desperate posts would make me think otherwise. you are not helping your cause.
btw - PAC boys are not even in playoffs. Did that start two yrs ago?
11:46 (aka girly-man) Leah Scarpelli is a very strong and talented player, and I don’t mind saying her name, since USSF uses it all the time, but since you insist, LS, how‘s that, better? Also heard that she has left PDA for CS DA, anyone confirm that? So maybe she got the boot from both??
12:28 why so negative. So she didn't make the team this time, maybe the other players earned their spots.
PS. Why do you care if she moved or didn't move anyway?
11:52 It sounds like you are the one who's worried . Maybe you are on the sinking ship and finally see the writing on the wall. The truth hurts .
These are kids! Stop using names!
The fact that you are following her this much is a bit creepy.
You are sick!
12:28PM
No names. Even worse then it's a kids name. What is wrong with you??
What is wrong with me? Besides voting incorrectly last year, not much. God Bless the United States Constitution, so that NO man, or woman, may rise above it.
You're not alone having voted for Hillary
But please stop using names!!
12:28
hey small hands...actually, i am a girl.
1:26 - nope. not on any sinking ship; quite the opposite.
Here you go 6:12...GO PAC and Pulisic!!!!
Where's the PF player on the MNT?
hey 5:54 go to the boys blog. Where are the PA players on the WNT?
Our ECNL team is not accurately reflected on GS and I am sick of hearing on Facebook how great everyone's kids are. I am not upset that we didn't get GS points, I would rather we had none. GS points need to go away! They are singlehandedly causing overuse injuries.
GS should penalize for loosing, make drastic changes to the algorithm, or just go away.
The current GS model is making coaches play more games to chase points. The coach needs to do it or kids will leave. Over 50 games in a season is crazy! 15 of top 20 teams are below 60% win percentage. 60% is a failing mark... That is only slightly above half. Instead of listing W-D-L record, everyone says where they are ranked. It's sickening and gives everyone a false perception of their team/kids ability.
"My kid will get a full ride to a great D1 school because her team is in top 10 of state ranking. Her knees and ankles are in severe pain but we will get a weeks rest in July to recover."
This is ultimately being driven by insane parents who want to win at any cost. Stop this madness!!!
Amen!
That is exactly why I like the DA model. They have rules and don't exist on GotPoints, sorry GotSoccer. Wish we had one in South Jersey. Hint! Hint! It would help a little if ECLN/NPL gave some points. The showcase tourney that gets nothing hurts too. It doesn't help when the Region-1 league is giving out 8,500 GS points and crowning a National Champion.
What are you guys living in a cave - Youth Soccer rankings has been the place for over a year now to get your fix.
Oh, I thought ECNL was better because winning didn't matter and it was about showcasing, now all of a sudden if your team doesn't win more than 60% of their games they are failing.
How pathetic is it to get upset because other people are posting on facebook about their kids success but your kid's team is "better" than theirs.
8:39, please shut up, and take a look at what hard work, and talent, can accomplish.
2017 ECNL Champions League Playoff Draw:
Group B
Real Colorado
Lonestar SC
San Diego Surf
World Class FC
Group C
Michigan Hawks
Jacksonville FC
Connecticut FC
CASL
Group G
PDA
Slammers FC
SLSG-MO
Colorado Rush
Good luck to all the clubs!
9:29 This is my favorite debate.
Winning will always be needed unless your club has pull and is part of an inner circle, which is okay. ECNL is all about participation awards for it's member clubs - look at the northeast division 70% or 10 of the 14 teams qualify for the post season and that's okay that's their format. USYS uses a slightly different model and their slogan is "earn your spot" if that NorthEast ECNL division was USYS only ONE team would advance not 10.
Teams getting GS points are successful in Gotsoccer events and others that are added manually. They sign up to play games, they win and they get points nothing wrong with any of that. If a team is playing 50 games maybe because that's the way they think their players can be seen. Is it right? it's different and to each their own.
Thank you Commissioner Bob of USYS.
Any day, any place, we would love to smash your precious Region 1 juggernaut.
May God have mercy upon your souls, have a nice weekend!
BTW Bob, Its only 3 teams to the top flight.
June 9, 2017 at 8:52 AM , yes the DA model is wonderful, no over-use or burn out there. Just 4 practices a week, then travel and 2 games each weekend, come home late sunday night and do it again. 12 months a year. Sure, sounds wonderful.
Any time 9:57 - ECNL has a Champions, North American and Showcase flight.
Not sure what team you are with but our team has played ECNL teams many times and beat them while playing our girls equally.
CASL no longer mixed them up and Jefferson cup remains the only place to mix them up we will be there in the top flight see you in March, unless your kid has made the GDA team in which case good luck to her and enjoy the quality.
9:59 it'no different than today. Play HS practice every day for about 3 months approx 60 sessions, subtract out the 20 games or so that leaves us with 40 practice sessions and 20 games enter club ball 3 training sessions a week for 9 months add another 96 sessions for a total of 156 practice sessions. Club also play around 30 games so that bring us to 156 practice sessions and 50 games played. GDA 4 sessions per week is 16 per month x 10 months = 160 practice sessions with a bunch of less games. Give or take
Commish BOB
Actually,
10 months of training
2 days of team training
1 day speed/agility training
1 day game video analysis
1 game every weekend
Let's not forget scouts at games and showcases.
Yes, that, is pretty good. Don't be a jealous hater.
9:59 AM It is obvious you don't know what you're talking about. DA teams usually play one game each weekend, with the exception of makeup games or tournaments. Also, 4 practices a week do not mean they are on the field at each practice. Every match in the DA is filmed, and most clubs will use a day for classroom film and chalkboard sessions. In addition, DA clubs will have strength and conditioning sessions as well. Good luck with your daughters laps around her HS field, there is nothing like those double session practices in late August
Dude Christian Pulisic was developed by his parents not by PAC. They used PAC when he lived in Hershey before he went to Bradenton. I was there I have an older boy. The only thing PAC did was allow his dad to tee him up for success. Made sure the teams played his style, that is play the ball to his feet because he wasn't winning any 50-50s, played him the ball preferentially for that matter and most importantly kept him on the field when he was very small. If his dad wasn't in control he wouldn't have been offered the same opportunities and wouldn't be where he is today. Guessing his publicists is telling the family to play this as it was all Christian's doing and they just didn't "ruin him".
You can't convince people who aren't on the GDA to agree with the GDA. Haters, hate. But here are FACTS for you haters. The GDA is having a scrimmage this weekend. Here is the list of collage coaches in attendance and more are signing up each day. Did I tell you this was just a scrimmage. Can't wait for the real games and showcases to start.
1. University of New Hampshire
2. University of Hartford
3. Providence College
4. Wesleyan University
5. Southern CT State Univ
6. Iona College
7. Quinnipiac University
8. Eastern CT State University
9. Connecticut College
10. UMass-Lowell
11. Univ of Bridgeport
12. Marist College
OK, now you can blow me up and say how pretentious I am, that my kid is miserable, and I am living through her. Fact is that I did not want her to do it. She researched it and talked to a bunch of soccer people. She weighed the benefits vs HS and made the decision. Now I am supporting that decision and letting her live out her dream. College coaches told her that this is the best path to take. They told her there are many other paths but this is the best for what she wants. You can disagree. That is your choice. If the GDA doesn't fit your narrative, then continue to hate on it and blast it on this blog. Not every path is best for every kid. So now take one thing I said and twist it to fit your justification to hate on the GDA.
Scrimmage where?
11:13 thanks for the topic. I will but heads with you on this one.
you said the below 3 things that people have been saying forever about player selection.
1. played his style, that is play the ball to his feet.
2. Because he wasn't winning any 50-50s,
3. played him the ball preferentially which kept him on the field when he was very small
We all see what he has become - UEFA Champions league goal at 18 and full NT player who was the star last night along with Nagbe in my opinion. Both small. he was allowed to play and develop. His size didn't matter and he developed. Play ball to feet,isn't that what you are supposed to do? because he was allowed to play he developed into a world class player - how many players ride the bench because the coach loves effort and play these players even if the player has less skill (most) to win. Well it looks like they cared about development and saw the talent that he is at very young age when most would not have played him. SO CONGRATS TO HIS DAD for being in control because if he wasn't his kid would have sat for a player that was bigger and more aggressive (not a bigger heart just looked like it). Same goes to Subotic back in the days how he couldn't make our YNT was beyond me.
But now I've seen first hand how things work these days.
9:52 - college coaches know that - got me some soccer points - does not tell the full story don't worry about the other team. if your kid is playing on a well respected club on a descent team that plays or is trying to play good soccer, then don't care about their chase.
11:50 - as they are ne schools (ct/ri/nh/mass) schools, i would assume up that way.
I heard about the GDA scrimmage, is it true that James Comey will be there? The rumor is someone is a Russian agent, is it your coach, what’s his name, Vlad something?
11:22 AM
I love fact checking but on a board like this it is not easy if even possible. The colleges listed are not anything to cheer about or sneer about. It actually looks like the same list of colleges that will be participating in the Northeast Summer ID Camp. They are also attainable across a broad spectrum of players/teams/leagues. When I was 15/16 I researched the car I wanted, did my homework and talked to mechanics thought about a motorcycle as well as walking, but I realized that if I had a nice car I would be the envy of my friends...even if I couldn't drive it. Impressed that your daughter did her research and hopefully that is what she wants, but doesn't everyone want the shiny new thing if it is offered. I'm sure as a parent the first thing you did was post to FB that your daughter made the GDA, hyped it as the path to the Olympic team. Let me know when the coach takes off the training wheels and the shiny Cadillac (team) needs to go into the shop a few times to re-tool. If your daughter is still on the field congrats, "she" made a good choice.
Actually I never posted a word to facebook or any other site. I think that all of that bragging is BS. I never posted that she made ODP, never post tournament victories, and never post when she scores a goal. I honestly don't understand that mentality.
Like any new thing there is a great deal of risk involved. Like buying that new car. The first year a new model is introduced, there are a lot of bugs to be worked out. Other times they put in an oversized engine with a luxurious trim package that makes the initial investment worth it's weight in gold. You never know. This could all blow up in our face or be the chance of a life time. Don't hate on us for taking a chance that you wouldn't. Stay on your route if that is what is best for your family. By the time this age group sees it was if it was a good choice or not, it will be too late for the ones who made the wrong choice.
Don't understand the mentality - Bragging? it's called being proud of your kid and their achievements and wanting to share with friends and family her accomplishments. Nothing wrong with that but there is something wrong with someone being jealous of that love, you are taking something very pure and simple and turning it into something it is not.
This board is just like Fox vs CNN same story two totally different views and people will side with the one that'son their side of the fence.
GDA might be good, but the previous poster had it right that it will take several years. They have to shake out what teams are involved, the procedures, what works, what doesn't. And parents know this. Year one is shake out. year 2 is starting to build. and Year 3 maybe they have something good.
US Soccer is not smart if they were they would not invite college coaches right away. new teams, new stuff, no chemistry between teammates. you don't invite in the food critics day 1 opening a new restaurant. I know some very savvy parents who are sitting this out. And its 4 sessions weekly with 2 games every weekend, with big travel and big costs, and no high school. If ECNL didn't exist, they might get out of the blocks strong. but they are not.
1203 you aren't buting heads you are agreeing with me. Had CPs dad not managed his career and he was only a regular PAC player. SK would have sat him on the bench or relegated him to the B team and he would have never made it to where he is today. PAC provided his dad the venue and the pool of other players to choose a team to play for him that maximized CPs development. For that any one of DA clubs would have sufficed for his purposes.
FYI No playing balls to feet doesn't work when your style of play is play it to the fast big kid to run onto.
NO I didnt say: played him the ball preferentially which kept him on the field when he was very small. I said played the balls to his feet so that he didn't end up in a lot of 50-50s AND kept him on the field as opposed to on the bench or on the B team when he was smaller than the other kids and PAC style was big, strong and fast (and my kid was a big strong and fast kid that TW himself loved)
The quote you seem to have difficulty comprehending was - Made sure the teams played his style, that is play the ball to his feet because he wasn't winning any 50-50s, played him the ball preferentially for that matter and most importantly kept him on the field when he was very small.
Your friends and family are sick of you posting every win and goal.
2:32 - very funny and true!
12:03 - you are having a hard time following along. Let me try to put this simply. there is ONE game per weekend. Two weekend days, one game. Not two. Got it?
"2 games a week" is fake news.
Look up the schedule. GDA is has only 25 games between Sep 4th and June 2nd with just 1 weekend having 2 games. Showcases not included.
so 4 sessions a week, Monday to Thursday, drive 4pm after school about 6 hours to virginia, spend monies on a hotel, play one 90 minute game with a roster of 22 kids and substitution rules which i believe limit it to 6 subs 17 total kids and 3 sub opportunities so no way coach takes off your top 6 kids other than in the last 10 minutes. and drive 6 hours home get home about 9pm on Saturday. Have sunday off. squeeze in home work on Sunday. Wake up monday. repeat. 40+ weeks. yes, wow so much better that its only 1 game per weekend!!
Good luck with all that.
don't waste your time supporting GDA vs. all other soccer stuff. they won't get it. Columbus was going to fall off the end of the world too because the world was flat.
The naysayers have always been around and will always be around.
Do what you feel is good for you, your daughter and your family. And, if you change your mind, you have options. Good luck.
Just curious, what percentage of GDA teams will be made up of former ECNL players, any guesses?? I am not completely sure, but I would say 95%, that is very telling, no??
7:47 pm Boy you sure are scared that the GDA teams are going to wipe out your team, Huh?
No games are far enough to be worthy of a hotel for us. All within 2 1/2 hours. Perfect.
Dang it. Like getting wasted in front of my daughter's friends at the hotel bar. oh well. guess i will just have to show up at the field already in the bag :)
Ahhh. And the Piano has been drinking, not me. love that song. classic
How much does the DA cost. does anybody know??
It varies, but you already know that, what is your agenda?
I've signed a contract with DA not to discuss its fees. My lawyer advised me not to discuss it or disclose the contract itself.
Anyone that discloses the DA costs will either be a faker, or their IP traced and their contract terminated.
I heard it costs more than its worth : (
5:22
hilarious. wiki leaks already on it.
It depends on the club and how good your child is. My daughter has signed with one of the clubs, and her tuition is much cheaper than I was paying at Crush
Boca wins top bracket against good academy teams.
6:49 All ex 2002 crush players got a discount!
2:01 it varies on the club, age group .. and sometimes on a player
1,544 - Number of players to receive full scholarships from Girls' Academy Clubs
6,400 - Number of projected Development Academy girls' players for inaugural season
http://www.ussoccerda.com/20170516-two-clubs-added-for-girls-development-academy-inaugural-season
That's 1/4 girls getting a free ride.
Does anyone know how much for full amount (no discount or free ride) to play DA? Is cost for boys same as girls?
PA Classics?
Penn Fusion?
Sky Blue?
Cedar Stars?
Not counting travel expenses, just registration and training cost. Nothing is available on the different club websites. Most posters say registration is less than ECNL so prove it!
Don’t know about those other crappy clubs, but NYCFC is $2600 and NYSC SKY BLUE is $4000, but my kid plays for free : )
PDA Sky Blue is $5,000
9:19
Not sure why so concerned with costs.
If your daughter is playing then you know what she's paying...
PAC is $2000
PF is $3000
10:32 I don't maybe to compare the market? Maybe they have some younger kids, maybe they are with the club and want to know where their fee falls, who cares why they care? This is where a board like this can be helpful. Trying to figure out the legit posts from the fake news well that's another story.
Going by recent posts GDA for 25 league games, 120 training sessions, 3 showcase events +playoffs if they are good.
$2,000 PA Classics
$3,000 PennFusion
$4,000 NYSC Sky Blue
$5,000 PDA SkyBlue
vs my kid's team.
$2,000 for 14 league games, State Cup, Bethesda, CASL, Disney, Jefferson, PDA and a TBD showcase + 80 training sessions. For my kid who is not a YNT prospect but is D1 college material is just right for us (still expensive but it is what it is). It's not ECNL where they have 3 top notch showcase events and they do CASL and Jefferson in addition to the 3. So basically, it comes down to Bethesda, Disney & PDA vs the 3 ECNL showcases and since PDA is both it comes down to San Diego vs Disney which is a wash for my kid since west coast is not in the cards and Bethesda which doesn't compare to any ECNL event, but they do another event.
If my kid was YNT material price wouldn't be what I look at - it would be the brand and it's connections.
Why would you trust the information provided here?
How will you compare the programs? What exactly is included? Uniforms, coach travel costs, frequency, duration and structure of training? Number of games/tournaments included?
My concern is if I am over paying. I want my daughter to excel but I don't want to be taken advantage of. All of this is new and I don't want to enter uninformed of the competitions cost. I think our price is too high and I want to know what the going rate is. Same as any major purchase that I make. Just doing homework.
11:06
Are you trying to convenience those that went GDA that your route is better? Pretty sure they went the route they did because they found it wasn't for them.
Just noting, too, that you left out league play whatever it is (nat'l league; regional; EDP; NPL). So tack those games and travel/lodging on to your expenses as well.
Nothing is perfect. Just have to find the place that fits best for you, family and more importantly, your daughter.
Prices provided are not real they are provided by trolls. Good luck trying to ease your anxieties.
11:21B the route we took was better for my kid, my wallet & her skill set.
Just putting out some details from our situation. You make what you want of it. At my kid's club uniforms are extra everything else is included in the tuition nothing out of pocket besides travel.
You are correct she plays about 14 games less than she would with the GDA assuming she played every game and like I said she is not YNT material and would have to fight other D1 kids for minutes/games which is now out of her control since we all know coaches play the players that fit their style, she is currently at 80-60 mins per game to risk going to potentially 20 in her sophomore year was way to much of a risk.
11:13 you don't - but I put ours out there, you'll know if it falls inline or not based on what's included.
11:21A I am 11:06 and I don't blame you for asking the question. That's whY I gave our situation which falls in line with NYSC regular team not their GDA.
Yes, troll here, I have absolutely no clue what I pay for my kid to play GDA. smh
There are 4 prices listed. I doubt you have 4 kids going to 4 clubs and know it all.
Club costs are correct for PF and PAC even if you think dude made it up
btw, if you search web you can find costs for most clubs.
1:37 this must be hard for you to comprehend huh? I only listed the price for my kids GDA. Not all 4. I'm no troll. I see no reason not to answer someone's basic question.
Game uniforms were offered at no cost. I assume this is the same for all DA teams.
Wow - another 8th grade commit for Rutgers.
Sick.
Rutgers has three 8th grade commits this year that are public. All three obviously are PDA players, the last commit is moving to PDA for the Fall. All good players. Will be interesting to follow over the next four years on how they progress etc. Long time till the letter is signed, anything can happen. My opinion and I'm nobody is its too soon, but if your in 8th grade and know exactly what you want then hey you have less to worry about I assume about getting into college. My daughter is waiting till sophomore year to entertain any offers if any. Good luck to all three, I hope their dreams come true.
I wish all 3 the best of luck, but from my view, 8th grade is waaaay too early. The verbal commitment is not a binding agreement on either sides part. They may end up there, but they may not. Does the same 50 mile NCAA rule apply to players that have verbally committed to the school that is coached by their club team? Does the verbal commitment get around that? Just curious.
3:32pm
It is interesting but if an 8th grader has good interest from a school with a wide selection of majors why not commit. I also think Rutgers is an "In State School" so tuition is also somewhat more attainable for a player from Jersey. Are there other Colleges tied to Club programs. I know that St. Joes and Villanova coaches are active at Continental and FC Bucks and you will see players from those clubs committing to those schools. My daughter has a more narrow major so she needed to focus on specific schools, she was fortunate to find a school that had her major with a team that needed someone at her position.
Question is - is a Duke, a Virginia, a UCLA going to stop recruiting a 2021 because she has committed to Rutgers?
4:07 So what happens if an NT player shows interest in the same school as your kid just prior to signing day? Will the school turn away the player? Probably not, what happens to your kid - if they pull some money from your kid since all she has is a verbal as a Freshman?
4:07
college coaches connect to most clubs in some fashion. it's called the pipeline. nothing new.
What site is it listed that these kids committed verbally?
All I can say is wow. Not sure my 8th grader would be ready for this.
Best of luck to her. This could be the best scenario or the worst when she finds out the coach found a new toy somewhere else.
So Duke offers her a spot anyway...does she turn it down?
4:51pm
If that's how it works then I guess the girl who committed as a freshman did not do her due diligence to lock-up her deal. I would be interested to hear an early commits story to see how it actually works. If you commit as a freshman in highschool is there a specific $$ associated or is that determined over the course of the full class recruitment. As a freshmen commit I believe the college coach is just confirming that if everything works out (admittance wise) he/she wants you on the team. Committing as a freshman helps sway the admissions board and fast paths the application but the school wants to make sure the grades and educational effort exists. So coming out of 8th grade as an honor roll student is good but sustaining that level through HS is expected and falling below can derail the process. As a parent you could say that is a benefit of committing early, knowing that your daughter has to maintain her grades a well.
you are talking admissions to state college; not private. not as rigorous, usually.
Of course you switch and go to Duke. It's about the education. The goal isn't about playing women's professional soccer.
haha - so that is what the kids that aren't academically eligible for state colleges do? switch to private? haha you don't default to a private college.
11:24 AM
No you default to a state school and not play :) I think the point the original poster was making is that committing to a private college as a freshman is more difficult as the admission criteria is much higher. My older daughter had her pick of state schools (D2) and D1 but held off on committing until the spring of her Junior year, and committing to a D3 private that has a great balance of soccer and academics in a very beautiful campus. Far enough away from home to be independent but close enough for us to get to games. For her major she would have played 4 years but gone 6 based on the additional off campus requirements. The coaches were trying to also persuade her to a different major. Committing at a younger age leaves a player susceptible to some suggestions that may be better for the coach/team than for her.
12:59pm. Thanks for a cognitive post my friend. lol Great information
If you verbally accept as an 8th grader to say Rutgers and junior year Duke offers you best take that degree from Duke. No brainer. Soccer severed its purpose.
The club would rather have you in the team photo with a Duke hoodie verses a Rutgers hoodie anyway. They have enough D3 Rutgers kids already (NOT a slam on D3) and want to show diversity. They want to use you for marketing because they got you that scholarship.
no, YOU (the kid) got the scholarship. the club helped facilitate it. but never forget the role of the child in this and the work they do both academically and athletically.
Exactly. Also very few full rides.
What happened to the Kittycats tonight? Shutout. But the did comitt more fouls.
Obviously this kid did most of the work. I was talking for the club and their feelings towards the situation. They really think they are the only reason a scholarship was awarded. My point is that they will continue to use you, even after you are gone. They only care about where you are going and how they can market your success and hard work to recruit more players. They don't define the level of monies, just that you are in. Don't ever forget that this a business in the end. A proven track record of consistently sending kids to top schools is their main recruiting tool. Problem is that the C & D teams in this big machine think they will get the same exposure and offers. Funny how you never see their picture.
How can they make money off you when you are here.
How can they make money off you when you move on.
12:10 AM
I know it's bad to feed trolls but I thought I would offer some free Therapy. And quite honestly I don't know who the kittycats are. But if you feel like you have been wronged by an organization or a coach you should really take it up with them. If you are looking at vindication because you left an organization and feel like pointing out losses makes you better...it doesn't You are not more successful because of someone else's failures. We left a PA team a few years ago, they were middle of the road as was the team we went to, the only time I was happy when they lost is when it was to the new team my daughter was on. And mostly because my daughter's team won. So do yourself a favor and forget about the old team unless your playing against them, and then act like a decent person no matter the outcome. I almost feel like you are one of those Friday Night Tykes parents.
7:29 - don't assume the kid did most of the work. sometimes, and not saying this or these, are the case but there could be other things in play that have nothing to do with ability or dedication like politics, connections, getting a kid on the cheap (not a lot of $$ spent, if at all, some just like getting a spot), etc.
there are so many variables in these matters.
Are there playoffs now for some of these leagues or are these season now just about over?
Lots of playoffs! NPL this weekend, ECNL and ODP next weekend. Yes Jersey ODP are in the region 1 semi's! Go Jersey!
What a set up question. Good luck in odp. Just so you know, ops is dead.
You were able to wait 13 minutes... nice.
Yeah i thought 2:58 and 3:11 were the same poster also.
Funny stuff!!!
Yep. ODP is a joke. Club teams are enamored with taking kids who have this status. Meaningless now that you have the DA. Many girls who have ODP status did not make various DA's.
There is room for both:
ODP - "Individual" for that player who likes their local club team and can't pay the high Academy cost or can't travel to the DA 5 days a week. High level players can move up to Region and National level where competition will be higher or equal to the DA. Also, Regional and National exposure will be close to DA. Unfortunately you need to show up with the skills because training is very week.
DA - "Team" is for the player who wants, can afford, can travel for practices and games. Better environment for learning team tactics and training will be better than the Academy/HS mix that most are opting for. Exposure WILL be more than all other choices if sales pitch from US Soccer is true. Missing the social aspect is a individual choice that should be made with realistic goals in mind.
Agree with all. But remember the DA is being run by USWNT. Therefore not sure why ODP will conintue to exist. Olympic Development Program is now the DA.
ODP will exist because the state and region YS offices need it to!
It is needed to justify their jobs and importance. They will go against US Soccer and offer ODP as an alternative to DA. ODP is expensive for players and if they loose that revenue stream they will no be able to pay the staff. US Club is slowly killing them with a better carding system that allows more freedom to clubs. US Club is also taking "would be" ODP candidates into their PDP program. The strategy of having USYS board members inserted in local leagues to keep USYS affiliation mandatory will not work much longer. The State cup and National Championship is the only reason they will be afloat in the next few years. Watch that entry fee skyrocket. Give it time before USYS is the way of the buffalo. They are already a shell of their former selves.
I guarantee that members from YS state offices are on this blog soon pretending to be concerned parents who are against the DA.
It's good to have options, but to many water down the product. This is the natural evolution of everything. There is no direct path to College Soccer/Pro Soccer, it is all up to the folks making the decisions at the highest level. So take US soccer and USYS and whatever alphabet group there is and at the very top you have people who think they know what they are doing followed by those on their coat tails who hope they know what they are doing. There is a great Gatorade commercial out that shows a Basketball player and the basic script is that this kid is #1 in his league, but there are 100 other #1's in his state and multiply that by every state (they don't get in to the possibility of international competition which is a big factor in colleges recruiting soccer players). So USYS and US Soccer are making the determination of who gets to the front of the line based on their local minions evaluating players, notice I did not say talent I said players. Because #1 at Continental at u17 vs #1 at PF vs #1 at PAC are the same on the field, skills, and ability, but the PF/PAC girl is at PF/PAC , PF/PCA gets the DA and DA is the path to the next level now. Sure the Continental girl may get poached, but she is starting with less credentials than the known. Then there are the favors and the cost and a lot of other factors. Sure for the UNT at U17 you may get a competent team but there are 11 other girls that would compete against the 11 on the field and beat them. So while DA has it's place atop the Soccer mountain in the US the ODP and ECNL and EDP and NPL all have girls that should be in the top 1% that won't because of not being fortunate enough to impress a coach at the local level and by impress I mean have the right connections/cash.
My suggestion is to determine where you want to be as a player and enjoy it when you reach your goal.
Only when there is financial incentive to id talent will the talent become the most important thing. But there are drawbacks to that system as well. Is what it is...a biz with the player's families as the customers.
If the USWNT is backing the DA that's all you need to know. ODP is dead and is already watered down.
Da is for rich kids (with a few exceptions), just like ECNL. You need to know that too.
US Soccer DA
US Youth Soccer ODP, National League
US Club Soccer ECNL NPL
Oh boy..not in my neck of the woods. Nj will slaughter some DA teams if that is the correct order in NJ.
1:50
The cash is the only thing making me feel OK about not doing DA - though as reported a decent % will be on scholarship.
"The rich stay rich" and "...spend money to make money"
It's the American way, like it or not.
You have to look at it as an investment. Future employers love people who showed they could balance sports and academics. As long as the scholarship is worth more than club fees you win.
Well....wish i could agree. I see my nerdy classmates are the ones doing well right now,financially any way. Soccer is worthwhile but it is not an investment.
Some ECNL teams and club teams are more than the DA.
and some apples are oranges...
Who cares about this mine is better than yours crap.
So many care. Main reason forums like this exist.
3:03, 99.999% of the entire world population will NEVER know NOR care about the difference between GDA, ECNL, NPL, EDP, JAGS, ABCD or HIGH SCHOOL. if you are talking resumes now, for real world stuff, not soccer jobs or joining a soccer team, but real resumes, as many will tell you, listing high school varsity captain on your resume goes 10x further than listing gda cedar stars. of course we all know the difference, but employers dont care nor would they know the difference. if you want great kids who know how to balance stress and the rigors of things, stop crapping on high school soccer. it gives the kids some things that all the stuff soccer does not.
Getting a scholarship to an Ivy league looks even better than being a captain of HS.
6:25 - it may behoove you to learn a few things. Ivy's don't give athletic scholarships. Not dissing an opportunity at an Ivy league school. Not at all.
When schools make offers, you have the ability to negotiate based on your child's ability and where she may fall in the evaluation process with the college coaches. And, grades are important as well as ability as noted in the previous paragraph.
In some of the recent posts, it sounds like some bitter posters on here as far as opportunity. Some opportunities have to be sought out. They don't just fall out of the sky.
And, the best kids no matter what league they are in and what team, are easy to see and usually known. As they get older, they like to play with others that have similar skills, soccer iq, ability and desire. Opportunities sought out. That's the key.
The Ivies "find" plenty of money for athletes.
If soccer is the difference between getting in and not (to an Ivy) then the 2/3 that is paid by endowments to me counts as "scholarship".
Heard that PDA was going to scrimmage WC tomorrow morning at PDA complex, guess 0-0 was not good enough for either club, hahaha!
Well since they are only two of three tri state area ECNL teams to make the championship brackets they should scrimmage each other. Who else is going to get them ready for the tournament? Definitely not your daughter's
Stop getting defensive 10:38, no slight to either team, they are both strong, should be a great match. The competition next weekend will be challenging, wish them both success!!!
Who coaches WC now that WC coaches moved to NYCFC?
How about a Non-ECNL team? Those teams would play a lot harder - but we know the ECNL is not about hard.
Play hard, not play hard, blah blah blah. Say what you want my friend. It's all about exposure for the girls. Say no more
Right. This anti ecnl and anti da rhetoric is so old. Now the ecnl teams don't play hard? c'mon you can do better than that.
This blog is comical
2017 Deep Run Labor Day Tournament (3 games 1 day)
Cost $450 -$550
Girls U9-U16 9/2
Boys U9-U16 9/3
https://www.gotsport.com/forms/app/?eventid=59387
2017 Deep Run Turkey Tournament (3 games 1 day)
Cost $450 -$550
Girls U9-U16 11/25
Boys U9-U16 11/26
https://www.gotsport.com/forms/app/?eventid=60174
12;20 take a step back any you tell me what this looks like.
74 ECNL teams - 32 qualify for Championships, another 16 qualify for the North American cup and another 16 qualify for the Showcase event - So they play their league games to qualify for what exactly, when 64 of the 74 teams qualify for something? Is that hard? Simple question no spin when 64 of the 74 teams qualify is that hard - forget the league name for a second? Is it hard?
or 5 of the 14 teams in the Northeast qualify for Champions another 4 qualify for North American and 1 in the showcase. So that's 10 of the 14 qualify for something what's so hard about the league? I never said the teams weren't good they just have it easy. Now if only 1 qualified for nationals then that would be hard.
12:05 - On the East Coast - Bethesda, CASL, Disney and Jefferson are very good opportunities for exposure. Then some teams play in State Cups where only 1 advances and others play in USYS leagues where only 1 Advances to Regionals.
I think all the tops teams have exposure down my friend. No Spin - I just said the league was not hard. It can't be hard when over 70% qualify as compared to only 1.
So I guess you are saying beating WNY Flash Academy - ECNL U15, Continental FC ECNL U15, FC Boston Scorpions ECNL U15 & FC Bucks ECNL U15 to qualify for one of the 3 events is hard? No spin straight up are these teams hard?
11:02 Same Coach, same team. Only 1 wanted to do DA. Everyone is very happy at WC thanks.
7:20
very familiar with how the ivy's work as far as $$$. But do not call it an athletic scholarship. It is frowned upon in the league to call it that (may lead to some unwanted telephone calls to NCAA; crazy i know). I would absolutely call it a scholarship or aid. And it is usually very generous.
Indeed.
GRANT is a word tossed around as well.
1;25 - why do you care? What would be the solution? Sign up and pay a fee like other leagues and use got me some soccer points to get in? These are based on records and tiered accordingly.
nonetheless, it's were the college coaches will be. so there must be something to it.
* it is where (correction to above)
1:40 the web site lists no coach or same person for all WC ECNL teams. I'm puzzled.
1:34
over 70% qualify for a showcase event; not top division.
And based on the amount of coaches that attend, including head coaches & US Soccer scouts (to all the ECNL showcase events), there must be something to it.
2016 WC ECNL are getting a new coach.
1:25 You are correct 32 teams qualify for the championship series in Illinois. The other 32 are going there for exposure only. No title on the line. It wasn't just playing those weak teams that got them there. Results from national ECNL events also played into determining points awarded for making championships, not just league play. As one posted earlier, exposure is everything. College coaches attending list is pretty impressive. Good luck to all playing next week.
2;16 I don't care I just said it wasn't hard. Never said the teams weren't good and never said college coaches don't go to their events. But yet people called out my post - so i backed it up with why I thought it wasn't hard. You see you didn't answer my question either you spun into something else. I just said the league wasn't hard why send 70% of the teams why not 100%? Oh yeah because that's what recreational leagues do with their participation awards. Is it hard to qualify for ECNL nationals (10 out of 14 teams) when 4 of the teams are WNY Flash Academy - ECNL U15, Continental FC ECNL U15, FC Boston Scorpions ECNL U15 & FC Bucks ECNL?
Solution - Okay how about the division Champs only qualify for national Championship and EVERY OTHER TEAM plays in the showcase event. Simple right?
2:25 You are correct 43% (32 out of 74) qualify for the top division and 43% qualify for the showcase that's 86% I math was off a little. Participation awards = 100%, 86% pretty close no? You also spin it into coaches are going. Yes they are I never said they weren't once again I said it wasn't hard.
2:51 I agree but playing those easy teams helped since all the others didn't play them unless of course there are other easy teams like them in the league, another one with the coaches. I never said the events weren't rock solid or the top teams weren't good. I just said the league wasn't hard.
For example 15 region 1 states have a state championship maybe not hard to win it - but if FC Stars, BBA and Boston played only 1 would advance, in NJ if the PDA 3 teams, MF 3 teams, SJEB, NJ Wildcats, Arsenal all played only 1 would advance then they would have to get past MA winner to get to nationals, I didn't include CT, NY, PA., VA & MD teams ONLY 1 from each of those states - that's hard not 86%
I agree good luck to all playing next
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32 higher quality teams qualify to play in the top flight of the league. All 32 teams are higher quality than the 1 state cup winner. But now the rules change and there will be no clear collection of top talent ...for a year or two anyway.
That NJ Rush blue team just cannot lose. Look at that game history. What is next for them? How are they doing it? Amazing
Again we all appreciate all the breakdown your doing for this percentage and that percentage and being in a tough or not so touch league. Can we all agree that it is all about exposure to as many college coaches as possible so that our daughters have as many options as possible? FACT: 86% of ECNL teams will be in front of many college coaches next week
4:07 - exactly. and 92% of ECNL graduating players moving on to play college soccer next year. System works, and is the best one out there right now. The college coaches lining the fields for the national events seem to agree.
3:46 - Really? There are plenty of non ECNL teams that can compete with ECNL teams and have actually beaten ECNL teams. FACT
Really tired of snob ECNL parents on this board
Goodbye snob ECNL, welcome snob DA
Ahahaaa, so true, meet the new boss, same as the old boss....we don’t get fooled again.
That's great that you beat ECNL teams. We get it it's all good. My kid plays ECNL and anything can happen on any given day. She expects to win regardless of what league the opposing team plays in. I'm not a snob parent just enjoy watching her and her team play. Hope her team does well next week. Btw? 6:32 6:53 and 8:34. Complete tool boxes. See you on the high school field in the fall. Can't wait. We'll be there
3:18
not sure what you are looking at but I am getting slammed with USYS notifications re President's Cups for various Regions; Region League for various Regions; NCS (state cup stuff) for various Regions, not to mention the Turkey Hill stuff and so on. Seems like there are many more participation awards going on here then ECNL.
6:32 6:53 and 8:34
won't see you on the high school field. doing GDA. Yep one of "those." stay gold pony boy (all good things must come to an end). See ya in the Academy blog.
3:18
how cool would that be if the ECNL teams competed for state cups, too?
A true state champion would be crowned as it would be all out for all the leagues (and ECNL not sitting any commits, etc. like what happens in non-ecnl showcase events). Gritty, grinding, championship soccer for all the marbles.
Even more GDA tryouts! When will they end!? I believe (correct me if I'm wrong) DA rules say you have to play 25% of the games (how much) even if you are on the bench. But is there such rule in ECNL?
Are there still extra tryouts on the long island?
- from NYCFC -
Due to finals last week, we have been asked to run one more player trial for ALL GDA Trials. We will be hosting final player trial on the following date and time. Please make sure you are registered in our system before attending any sessions. If you did not register yet, click HERE to pre-register.
c=nyc, codeword alpha brave decipher=we are really weak right now, noone has bought our baloney and we have no talent. we are going to lose badly, and if we say it was because of high school exams, all but the smart blog jocks will believe it. #hashtags dont do justice, living on prayer, because mr charlie says so
11:20
1st President's cup is an open State Cup that is a stand alone from NCS - teams at the next level can choose this option if they are goingto get smoked by NCS teams. - Again an OPEN format for teams that choose to play in this event. CHOOSE!
2nd Turkey Hill is also an OPEN state cup at the rec level where teams CHOOSE to play with no travel to regionals. Again teams CHOOSE to play.
Both of these are B/C options andonly the teams that select theseeventsplay in these events. Not a participation award - not even close. just anopportunity for more kids to enjoy playing meaningful games.
ECNL is a closed league that offers 86% of their teams an opportunity to advance. What about the other 14% like it really makes a difference to exclude them?
11:39 It would be cool but that would expose way to many people if that happened.
1st protection - keep people thinking that the ECNL brand makes the team a great option (FALSE) great clubs don't need the ECNL brand - see PDA. By playing in state cup teams like1776 would expose Delco and Bucks.
2nd also keeps the ECNL selectors safe can you imagine if an NPL team beats the ECNL team at the same club - way to many headaches for the DOC/Coaches on why their kids weren't selected. Much easier to keep it closed and easy to advance to a national event great for marketing the ECNL brand notthe club brand.
4:46 yes that's 92% from 74 clubs which is approx 1,200 players which is approx 60% of all the players needed per class. Very impressive that's all that matters to all the kids but not what i'm talking about.
3;46 how do you know? has SJEB played PDA/MF? has 1776 played Delco/Bucks/PF? Speculation my friend nothing more
I asked the question is it easy for an ECNL team to advance to nationals (64 of the 74 teams)?
You keep bringing up questions about recruitment never said ECNL sucks at that they are great at.
They MAKE their teams go to 3 national events. What is SJEB and1776 were forced to play at Surf Cup, Jefferson and PDA (all 3 are open to non ECNL teams) same exposure NO? Then you have Diusney and Players Cup (Vegas), plus NC event that's should equal ECNL Playoffs and nationals from an exposure point of view. So plenty ofoptions to go around.
Simple question is it hard for ECNL teams to advance to nationals? This is 4:46, 4:07
12:52, please just shut-up, thanks!
1:09 I will when you answer my question or anyone else answers my question.
I got called out and what the person who called me out doesn't respond?
What?
ECNl parents from NJ NY are all snobs. Lets call it like it is. Blow hard, know-it-all, entitled jerks. Have you ever sat near them on the sidelines, its like the crowd at a golf championship other than golf crowds are quiet. ECNL folks like to think they are superior to non-ECNL teams. Little clue. you're not. not even close. the best may be better or as good. Your 4 letters dont give you skill, speed, talent, coaching. You've bought into the implied value of those 4 letters and the large businesses that call you a customer are able to squeeze another $1500 to $2500 a year from you. you talk down on others so expect everyone else to dish that crap back. when i see most of these jeff cup or other non-ecnl tournaments, your teams are just average. the best non-ECNL teams beat your ECNL squads regularly.
oh we could go on. since most on here are not-ECNL, let me be clear, we all feel this way. and you entitled elitists feel otherwise.
sharks vs jets.
noone liked the rich entitleds.
Dude, you shut-up too, you're giving a headache, have heard that crap for the past 5 years, we are happy going to Chicago.
NJ Rush can beat most of those ECNL 15U teams.
4:26 You are an idiot. That is all I will say. Well maybe I will say a little more. Sounds like you are a little jealous or bitter. Or a Bernie or Hillary supporter. LMAO.
12:52 has a point and 4:26 not an idiot. ECNL is not the the be all end all, just like DA will not be (at least not for next two years).
True, the girls are not the be all end all, but they are against your kids team.
9:44 = loser
Playing major minutes in front of dozens of college coaches next weekend = loser??
You're playing? You just proved his point with that comment.
12:52 - such a homer. Closed events. Hahahaha. Not sure you are aware, but ECNL teams are not allowed to compete in those OPEN events; so not really open now are they? plus 1776 didnt' win a game vs ECNL teams at Jeff Cup; finished 13 out of 16 in bracket. so there's that.
Happy Father's Day to all the Dads out there, who let's face it, make this amazing journey possible for their daughters. Enjoy the quiet moments, since they are becoming harder to find.
To answer your question it is hard to make the championship series. As you know in this game anything can happen so the teams have to produce points over the course of the year to qualify. The rest of the teams are going out there for a college showcase. Isn't that why you spend countless dollars year round? To get your kid in front of coaches, right? Then why bash the playoffs and the showcase? "To squeeze another $1500 - $2000" If you've been in this journey with your daughter for some time as most of us have, aren't these the opportunities that we ultimately hope for? And the $10,000/year + that most on this board spend, and extra 1500 your gonna complain about?
4:26 here are the results for your non ECNL teams vs. ECNL over the past 7 months
Jeff Cup: 4 wins, 15 losses, 8 ties
CASL: 1 win, 1 loss, 1 tie
Bethesda: 6 wins, 9 losses, 2 ties
Not bad: 11 wins, 25 losses, 11 ties
Happy fathers day bro
11:42
agreed. Good info
and i have found i spent less money in ECNL than USYS with my daughter.
Her old USYS club seemed to enter every tourney out there and not local either (so spent a ton in travel and lodging). So, while her old team did great (a top GSP point collector even winning showcase brackets at top tourneys), kids weren't getting good offers with any real $$.
Not trying to diss any of the leagues, these are kids and coaches putting in time and effort when they could be doing something else. But, did find more opportunity in ECNL than USYS just in the number of coaches that attend showcase events, league games and even practices.
Happy father's day. just relax and enjoy all of this. It goes by very quickly.
11:42 - missing some key data?
https://pda.totalglobalsports.com/public/flightstandings.aspx?eid=352&fid=1458
U-15 Non-Ecnl - Red showcase. Another tournament where the non-ECNL teams have a chance to mingle with ECNL teams - including 4 that qualified for the champion's league.
Non-ECNL vs ECNL - 8 wins, 6 losses.
There are lots of great non-ECNL teams that can compete easily with ECNL, and they get invited to do so.
It's when ECNL marketing chooses to cherry pick data and parents quote it verbatim: "best competition", "the only way to get recruited" - that's when soccer dies.
And conveniently leaves out PDA tournament results.
You conveniently did not give the data from the May PDA Showcase. Non ECNL won 8 and lost 6 agaInst ECNL teams in U15.
11:42 you missed the pda showcase where a bunch of ECNL teams spent $2000 in travel to lose to local non-ECNL teams.
12:20 Non-ECNL teams got better exposure in front of college coaches by showing better at a fraction of the cost.
I am not OP but I would not have considered it. It's an ECNL tourney. ECNL teams were competing against each other in the ECNL brackets.
If they weren't, then it probably wasn't the real ECNL. I heard maybe some clubs were doing this putting kids from other teams on their roster (NPL, USYS from within the club) to get others showcased and try them out for that team too. It's a good tool.
I would love to see full roster teams from different leagues compete against each like in a state cup tourney or something. I think that would be great. Maybe with GDA starting, ECNL teams will be able to compete in states. GDA will still get the no go, probably.
12:50 i would hope that most don't begrudge a kid getting a good showing in front of college coaches whatever the event (league or non-league). it's the name of the game. i would never wish that a child would fail. that's just not cool.
I didn't include PDA because it was an ECNL event and I didn't realize (not conveniently) that the lower brackets had a few ECNL teams in them. Did those numbers really make a difference? If it did for you 12:24 then that's awesome. And to set the record I personally am not bashing or saying anything negative towards your daughters journey. I get it that you feel the way you do when some of the ECNL teams parents that come on this blog and bash non ECNL programs. That is not me. I love the sport for these girls and in my opinion our kids play the toughest most physical sport available for their gender. There are many non ECNL parents/coaches that love to do the same thing on this blog. I laugh when it goes both ways because its at most entertaining. Its all good and makes for an interesting blog. So I will now include the results from the PDA tournament to sum up four of the 16/17 tourneys that included a lot non ECNL v ECNL:
19 wins, 31 losses, 11 ties
They weren't lower brackets. They chose to have one bracket of just ECNL teams. Which is stupid since they are paying to play in a tournament against many of the same teams that they play in their league. Again not wanting to play outside competition for fear of losing.
If you understood the process, the ECNL division was for teams upholding league event requirements so the results are included in the ECNL standings. The other "lower" bracket that included ECNL were ECNL teams that already fulfilled the league requirements. Nothing more.
3:21
it's not a choice. PDA was an ECNL tourney (hence no got soccer points garnered for anyone).
In the league, an ECNL team needing to fulfill it's required national event quota (you must attend either 2 or 3 events per year as a requirement to play out of conference teams) could not particpate in a non-ECNL bracket. The PDA tournament was the last ECNL nat'l event before post season play.
The PDA event (which club has a number of non-ECNL teams as well) is open for non-ecnl to participate in their own non-ecnl bracket. this allows non-ECNL teams who qualify to attend and get in front of these many, many college coaches that attend. If quota reached, an ECNL team can participate in non-ECNL and include those not on its regular roster (since non-ECNL play isn't considered league play or part of the league play record).
as i only learned this recently, too, maybe this will help with some misconceptions of how this tourney is set up. there is no conspiracy. like nat'l league stuff doesn't include ECNL teams as they are league games. Same here.
I would love to see the attendance of college coaches from any non ecnl vs non ecnl games at PDA. Then maybe we can see if you get a lot of bang for your buck. Can anyone furnish?
Yes, there were 3.5 coaches, the .5 was the midget coach from Ringling Bros.
I labeled it as "lower" brackets because PDA is an ECNL event and they list the ECNL teams in the "top" brackets. Sorry 3:21 if top just offended you. You just beat my wife in the sensitivity department.
Happy father's day bro
Makes sense, Ringling Bros gave it's final performance a week earlier. Needs a job. Soccer is where the $$ is for jobs. Heard the jockey from the diving horse was a ref, too.
8:36. At our game there were 10-15 second tier div 1 and some top tier d3 coaches at our pda games.
321 the national events are structured so no team plays a team in its Division. No team would travel to play a team it has already played or will play. The ecnl events are very well run. The ussf better hit the ground running or it will appear to have failed in its mission to elevate the development of girls in this transition. The boys only had the frequently accused of corruption USYSA to compare. The girls a well run, well oiled machine that was gaining momentum. Regionals on horrible and frankly unsafe surfaces were the norm for us USA events. Nationals in OK and Dallas in July. Brilliant. Anyone with older kids been to West Virginia or URI? Horrific. I mean Western West Virginia?? How could anyone possibly think that was an ideal venue? I heard the first year the fields were dirt because the grass had just been planted. There are many outstanding venues in r1 yet they weren't chosen. URI every year for camp? Why you might ask...
Dude, WV has been replaced by Fredericksburg, VA - they have turf and nice grass fields. URI has been replaced by Gettysburg. The USSF is the place to be for any girl wanting to play YNT - for all the others plenty of opportunities ECNL gets 60% per class and that leaves another 40% from where ever. THE ECNL boast 92% really great when you have only 74 teams that makes up the 60%. The 40% the Non-ECNL teams put in college come from hundreds of teams, so great job to them for that. But they also promote meaningful games,how can something be meaningful when 86% of the teams qualify for a post season event. Why not just the division champs play each other and all the others are in a showcase more money for them what's another 10 teams being invited to the party?
Because these depressed areas that normally don't appear on any map much less anyone's idea of a destination are full(hotels, restaurants, gas stations,etc.) for 5 days for hosting regionals. Ever hear of kickbacks? This is how they US Soccer treats their paying customers. As Marks.
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