Teams are going to be totally different come the spring. Bubble players are leaving now. A lot of those bubble players should be and will be starting elsewhere.
Champions sounds like a great league. So after paying $2500 to your club, you will be traveling many weekends and staying in hotels. Sounds expensive.
4pm- No same as ecnl and edp and ne-npl- 1 day trips to play games as we all are doing already.Only change will be the higher level of competition in the top flight week in and week out.All of us accept travelling, as long as the games are challenging it is part of what we signed up for.Also will not need to play so many tournaments if the league play is top notch.Isn't that what the ECNl clubs claim as well?don't see any difference.
Of course there is no difference.The model being proposed is very similar.the only ones throwing water on it are those who will have a roadblock thrown in the drive for a monopoly on high level youth soccer.Once they closed the circle and eliminated any choices the clubs/leagues wold have all the leverage and the families and players would be reduced to acquiescing to their continuing push to increase profits at the expense of the players and their families. this is why we have laws against monopolies in the free market.Without choices we no longer have freedom.
Virginia is a fun one day drive. You don't need to go that far in ECNL and NPL. So safe driving!
The problem will come in with consistency. A- some top players will jump by next year. B- so you do this league by age? What happens if these clubs do not match up with older and younger teams? C- Far travel.
4:42You have obviously never driven from West Chester PA(PF) up to Farmington CT(FSA)!
But you go to CT and MA once per year and play 2 games. Not single games, back and forth.
the plan is to move in to divisions by geographic area so the travel will be less as it grows throughout the region.'As far as clubs not matching up by age.That is the beauty of it.It is not exclusionary as it is not limited to only certain clubs.It is OPEN to ALL teams in region 1.so the teams that would qualify for the top flight in each age group will be the BEST TEAMS in that age group, regardless of club affiliation.The only criteria will be that you are a team located in Region 1.See unlike some leagues the goal would not be to shut out competitive teams but to promote competition between all deserving teams chosen by their teams track record.How refreshing would that be!
Why don't the PA teams, NJ teams and NY teams that arent in NPL join EDP? Make more sense. Travel to VA for Tournaments only. No need to go down there or up to MA.
Better yet, why don't you take all of your girls to Penn Fusion, FC Bucks or Continental and play the best teams in the North East in ECNL. PDA, East Meadow, Match Fit, Stars of Mass, Breakers.
"....the BEST TEAMS in each age group...."According to who?
5:38It would be the same, 2 games in VA once a year, catch them both in one time, most other games closer one day trips. No weak teams, at least if it pans out as planned.
5:57 have to wonder why you "best" ECNL teams are so concerned about knocking region 1 champions league.If your deal is so great why so defensive you have to knock this opportunity for all the non-ecnl teams.Who by the way you cannot beat regularly and you have not proven to be "best Teams" on the field.Afraid of a little competition are you?
ALL the strong NON-ECNL Teams in Region 1 should get on board with Region 1 Champions League.Imagine how cool it would be to not have to listen to the ECNL Shills anymore!
6:06 they had their chance with EDP, same concept.
Keep trying. Of course the folks you need to convince are probably regulars on a girls 12 year old soccer blog.
The "best" ECNL teams could care less what you do. Only the Wildcats in NJ and the non ECNL Penn teams seem to care. You guys are made for each other.
Sounds like one guy from a PA team has a gripe with the ECNL teams. Join them. A lot easier than complaining all the time. With the exception of Penn Fusion it appears that they could use some help. Or are you a coach of one of these "excluded" teams? Hmmm.
5:28 well then if not the ecnl teams, then who are the ones attacking region 1 champions league.Could it be the NE-NPL Teams?They would seem to have the most to lose in the short run as their league would quickly become the weakest of the 3 leagues and irrelevant for strong players.that would cost the ecnl clubs dearly in the pocketbook.If Region 1 league takes off the first casualty will be the new bloated rosters.They would all disappear by fall to all of our benefit.
6:28... Get a life
Ne npl is the weakest now. All B teams and they are going to be a lot weaker come the spring between girls leaving and moving up.
I thought B team girls never moved up?
And if they leave, where could they possibly go?
8:06 maybe you are right. If my kid played in Northeast Girls NPL. I wouldn't care. They play in aleague that sends their champion to a National Event to play teams like NEFC, NYSC, STA, Oakwood, PWSI, NJ Wildcats to name a few. If they win the league why would they care if it's the weakest league. They get to participate in showcase Events in FL and CA if they want against other Strong NPL teams (guaranteed acceptance if they are tops in their league).Okay Great ECNL is Better and So Is region 1 Champions leagues and every other league so WHAT - the champions goes to Nationals. They play 22 league games plus another 15 or so tournament games . Plus they have a play off (which I hate - play offs stink). That would be a total of 40 games played. Right around the USSF 3:1 recomondation - they are playing by what the USSF wants for our kids. So tell me again why they should care? Becasue people want to call their team a "B" team Ouch that would really hurt my feelings. For real.For the record the region 1 Champions league rocks and is a great opportunity for more teams to participate.PS. I think EDP takes the biggest hit.
Plus EDP losing a few teams to EDL in spring season.
"They had their chance with EDP"Didnt the ECNL teams step on that last spring?
9:59 EDP not losing teams to EDL - EDL is their NPL flight for the clubs that are NPL.Just for the record EDP has the same set up as Region 1 Champions League.
Then why set up the champions league. If all these teams where looking to play in that format why didn't they join EDP leagues?
6:51 EDP/MAPS is huge on the boys side. They tried the same thing on the girls side. I think it has great potential. They should have made themselves a US Club Premier League with pro/rel between clubs that qualify and are approved by NPL. As a PL they will have a National Event soon plus the added bonus of games under the CJYSA to qualify for USYSA NCS State Cups.Region 1 Champions League is not a NEW league regardless of what peoplke say. It's a reBRANDof the same structure replacing some key words.Gone is "Premier"in is "Champions League"D2 is the old Colonial and Northeast LeaguesD1 is Premier They always had pro/rel just never called it pro/rel.It is better marketing for the same solid league. I am looking forward to following it in addition to ECNL, NPLs & EDPNew management saw that US Club was picking up a lot of steam and the EDP was getting strong as well, they needed to do something, so why not reBRAND.I wish them luck, they will compete with EDP and NYCSL PL.I also heard there was going to be some type of a partnership with the NE Premiership between NYCSL PL and or EDP.
I guess MF ECNL must have petitioned somebody because they have now been awarded GS points as a Semi-Finalist in the Bethesda tournament.
Good for them
thought ecnl teams didn't care about or need GS points.
I think the difference is region 1 is not exclusionary.Every strong team can qualify regardless of whether they are in a NPL club or not. ECNl and NE_NPL and EDL all limit teams in league to only certain clubs.This divides the good teams into a number of leagues which is a cash grab but divides the highest quality teams into separate leagues and waters everything down.Obviously the strongest league would ONLY have the strength of the applying team as a criteria for joining and flighting.
Is the Storm/EM game still on for tomorrow 2:00@PDA? There have been some posts indicating the EM side was having issues?
Your continuing pitch for Region 1 is getting old. There should be no one on this site that has the ability to move their team from where they are (if they are than shame on them). Of course you could move your daughter. You obviously have chosen not to do that for whatever reason. It is the same arguement we heard last year for EDP. Your PA team (s) need to join EDP and that would be the end of it, however, it appears you do not want to or can't. What is it?
If you were a person that needed to know this information, you would know it.
New Flash!PDA vs. EM Hothsotz game has been moved to Red Bulls Stadium, tickets are going fast, they expect a record crowd of 35, video at 11.
Maybe the winner of the game can move to Region 1 to be the number 8 seed in the Championship division.
This Region 1 league is just a Spring League? Or are they going to try to run it in the fall. So they will compete with EDP and PAGS for teams?
Having a daughter who plays in the npl. I can honestly say the level of play is not very good. Average at best. Except for a few teams which are at the top of npl. The only reason the top teams were better is because they had 3 or 4 better players on their roster than the weaker teams. Those 3 or 4 will be playing ecnl this spring and then what does that do for npl? Weakens the entire league.
9:23Yes there are huge issues going on at EMSC, apparently their u13 pre-ecnl team lost a game to Albertson pre-ecnl, and there is an investigation going on, former head of the CIA is involved, not good.
Boy, I asked a simple quesetion regarding the game/time/location because I was considering taking my daughter to see what should be a good game. Didn't want to make the ride if the game was cancelled/postponed and all this blog has to offer are jack ass reponses. Much appreciated. Classy.
Sorry correction 'question' and 'responses'...before I get the spelling police in on this too.
Dude, lighten-up, I thought those comments were kind of funny, and you have to expect that, this is where the innocent get fried. But something tells me, that you know exactly when and where the game will be, since you are brining a player for one of those teams, hahaha.
There is someone that keeps knocking ECNL and NPL and keeps promoting EDP or Region 1. Why? All are fantastic leagues that offer something a little different. If you don't like a particular league don't have your daughter play there. But don't come on here knocking that particular league to make your league (and therfore your team) seem better. It really is annoying
There is $$$ at stake here. The directors of social media are tasked with promoting their businesses here and on other forums. It is the same theme over and over. Come spend your dollars on my team, club, league.
Looking at the clubs that are part of the ECNL, I must say,this is a pretty impressive list.Having individual teams enter, that may subscribe to different philosophies in training and game day antics just to beat another team, is a bad idea.I have heard of some pretty unsportsman like things that certain teams will do when hosting another team, just for the win.Keeping the ECNL "CLUB" oriented is a great way of keeping teams out that always think they have something to prove and they will employ any tactic, just to say they got the win over another team.I have heard parents on the sidelines tell their kids that if you can't beat them "hurt" them. Play more physical, put her on the groundI have seen coaches dumb down the fields to a band box where a field is virtually unplayable in the hopes of neutralizing a passing a ball around- just to try and enforce their style of over the top play to say that they have beaten a certain team.Keep those types of teams out of the ECNL. It is not good for youth soccer and only gets in the way of true development. I will never agree with one off teams entering the ECNL..... The passion to win a game by any means by some teams would surely get in the way of development
10:48 I am as light as possible. Daughter is not planning to play for either team. Just wanted to take her. NO ulterior motive other than I didn't want to make the drive if cancelled. I should have known better than to try and get a real answer here. My mistake. I will try other avenues to find the answer.
11:09 is the bad mouthing pda storm parent again. We recognize you from your redundant posts.I don't think anyone is asking to join ecnl.I think the point of the Region 1 champions League idea was to get the non-ecnl teams all together in one league.
Like I said my daughter plays in npl. Speaking from my own experience, league is not that good. Have played in EDP and honestly EDP is better. Say what you want. Bunch of weak B teams in Npl. Can't comment on any other leagues, region or super Y.
12:16Not fooling anyone claiming to be in NPL. Be more specific. There are plenty of parents and others who come on here saying how good EDP or Regions is and knocking NPL.
12:14.Nope. But you seem to attach to the post pretty readily.What team does your daughter play for?
Daughter is a free agent. Has played in both EDP and npl. So no team as of right now. Have no problem going to a EDP team though.
NE NPL top 4 just as good as EDP top 4 if not better. How would you claim EDP better? EDP bottom is far worse than next group in NPL.
And the top PA teams (non-ECNL) this Region 1 guy keeps talking about couldn't beat any teams from the top of EDP or NPL.
Didn't Penn Legacy handle Ajax of NE NPL easily 2-0 at spirit this fall.And didn't 1776 just tie MF-NPL at B flight of Bethesda last month?
NE NPL #3 Pda South/Ajax beat EDP Central #1 Wildcats team 3-1 this season.NE NPL much better league.
2:40So you are hanging your hat on 1 win against the #3 team in the NE NPL?
That Penn Legacy/Ajax game never happened
According to GS, Penn Fusion ECNL beat PDA Ajax 2-0
I originally thought the "Regions 1" guy was from Penn Legacy. Now I see he is from 1776.
Also not the Region 1 guy, but I will jump in regarding PAE soccer.Only so much to go on this fall but here it is. All "Premier Elite" PAE teams vs NPL's, fall 2014. I include pre-ecnl because that is also a NPL league. YMSvs. NYSC(NYCSL #1) 4-0vs FC Stars NPL 2-0vs Manhattan SC NPL 3-2vs NJSA EDP 4-1vs Cont FC ECNL 1-0vs FC Bucks ECNL 6-3PENN LEGACYvs NJ Wildcats EDP 1-1vs Calvert Crew EDP 1-1vs NJSA EDP 4-1vs Penn Fusion ECNL 5-1vs Athletico NPL 3-0FC REVOLUTIONvs Penn Fusion NPL 1-0vs STA Morris NPL 2-1 & 3-0RAGE FCvs NJSA EDP 2-0vs Continental ECNL 4-0PA CLASSICSvs ISA NPL 1-0vs STA NPL 0-0vs NJ Crush NPL 1-1Continental FC ECNL 1-0HMMS vs ISA NPL 2-1Actually, I don't think I see a loss!
You haven't played any NE NPL teams or beat the Wildcats. Also, be careful which STA NPL team you reference. 1 is a top 7 team in NJ and the other not in the top 25. Not much to compare to.
So maybe you are right. Why not just get the top PA, NJ and NY teams in a league. Play MD, VA and MA in tournaments.
PA soccer sucks, go back to your caves, no talent hacks!
3:48Is that New England NPL or Northeast NPL?Either way 2:00 said " couldn't beat any teams from the top of EDP or NPL" wasn't specific which one(s) . I think 5 of the teams listed are #1 or #2 in their NPL or EDP leagues. No matches took place with New England NPL, but Penn Fusion NPL and FC Stars NPL are from Northeast NPL.You are right, only 1 of the 2 wins by FC Rev against STA was their top team. My Bad! PAC's tie was against top STA team though.And I hope beating the Wildcats isn't the sole standard of top teams, thats pretty rare!My point is only that the PAE teams(PAGS1) could hold their own with any NPL league(except ecnl). One or two elite teams and then the drop off. Personally I would like to see those top teams play in those "local" leagues in the fall but play a true champions league between the winners or top 2 in the spring(ecnl included). Not optimistic on the new region 1 league personally, will see who signs up.
Cant have it both waysNJ Wildcats point out they beat PDA Then NJ wildcats knock the loss vs PDA NPL team. I checked standings at Bethesda, MF ECNL did finish in 2nd. Points must have been fixed by tournament
4:26 -signed up for Region 1 champions League for this spring season so far:Penn LegacySouth Shore SelectNJ WildcatsBRYC VaPWSI VaGreater Binghampton WNYThose 6 match up pretty well with the top 6 of any league.
MF did not finish 2nd they finished 4th and got semifinal points.
Ajax just doesn't have the consistency to be in the conversation anymore.Plus their team has been raided by Storm.They will still be competitive in the ECNL Clubs B League though as those teams in that league will all be picked clean of any players who can play at top level by fall season.
4:14As always, politics and money. Multiple organizations overseeing youth soccer, and numerous leagues, non of whom are going to give up $, just because its whats best for our girls or the game. So is the immediate future of US soccer. Plus, the ecnl clubs think the rest of us are beneath them, so count them out. Cant imagine too many NPL teams leaving their leagues, they also have a route to a national championship, their own college showcases, and id2 program. Would some play both leagues? Maybe. Who would that leave. Individual quality teams from clubs who don't produce them every year? I think thats what we are going to see in the new Reg 1 league. Could be a strong group of 8-12 but not much more.
4:50How do you know that?
4:58 That i all we need.5 or 6 competitive games to supplement the EDL/EDP season and play less tournaments, maybe 2 per season instead of 3.Still would have EDP road to NPL nationals and add those 5 or 6 great games to each seasons schedule and an additional shot at nationals as wild card to region 1 tournament if you win region 1 champions league.Just would add more good games and more opportunities.
4:51 let me help you out.2 brackets of 41st place winners advance to finals- winner receives champion points, loser receives finalist points2nd place teams are awarded semi finalist for both brackets.Per your comment, this team finished 4 out of 8 teams = semi finalist!!!! Bone headWhat loser is checking gotsoccer points on teams that they do not belong to? Get a life!
5:02 I asked.It's not a closely held secret who has applied.
5:03 that is exactly what 4:51 said.Overall they finished 4th out of 8 not 2nd.they finished 2nd out of 4 on their side of bracket but 4th overall.
5:02That I would be happy with, I was concerned those top 8-12 would be spread across 4 regions with 2 dozen weaker teams.5:03Stupid me, I was watching their website for list!
1:41How is your daughter a free agent?How does this happen in December?
Wildcats have not beaten any U13 PDA teams. They are 0-1 this year. Ajax lost 2 players to Storm?Are Wildcats implying that 2 girls dominated them in their 3-1 win this season?
OooooooooStorm poaching once again......Player from RAGE, I gather?
Poaching? Isn't that what players want on "B" team?
To 948 am. You said ". Except for a few teams which are at the top of npl. The only reason the top teams were better is because they had 3 or 4 better players on their roster than the weaker teams. Those 3 or 4 will be playing ecnl this spring and then what does that do for npl? Weakens the entire league"When u say the top girls will be playing ecnl in the spring do you mean they will be moving up to their clubs "A" team ? Or moving to a different team that is ecnl ?
NE-NPL is a league for the ecnl's farm teams.That is all they are now.1 or 2 kids per year might get a look see with the big club when someone is hurt or unavailable , otherwise it will just be an income stream to use to finance scholarships for the players the A team wants to recruit from teams outside the club.Players at the bottom pay for free rides for players at the top.A pyramid scheme similar to the model ODP uses.
4:25 who's your kid play for? Would LOVE to see your kids team play my kids team. Jackass.
Those pyramid B teams are top 3-5 teams in the state of NJ. I guess those girls should go play for a 6-10 team instead. What is wrong with them.
What players are moving to ECNL team. I keep hearing this on Blog. Nothing being done at clubs with exception of AJAX Player
12/12 5:15When your coaches or trainers or managers caterto the select few and chosen ones and they continue to kiss the a** of the person that brought the entire team over to the club. You have to know when to pull the plug. That's how she is a free agent. Have to do what is right for your daughter
732What teams are you interested in joining, Albertson?
7:32 is easy to guess.Not the only one who feels that way on that team.It's a shame what was done to them.Inside job.
Hey 8:09 - Pyramid "Schemes", not Pyramid Teams. Too funny.
sounds like an NJX/matchfit revolt
All those B teams joining other NPL teams to play in front of the below 1 Schools in FL. Only listed D1 schools. Not a bad opportunity for B teams players to showcase their skills.Go ahead and leave, the choice is yours.Division 1 Alabama State UniversityBoston UniversityBryant UniversityDuquesne UniversityFairleigh Dickinson UniversityLoyola University MarylandMarist CollegeNew Jersey Institute of TechnologyProvidence CollegeRutgers University - New BrunswickSeton Hall UniversitySouth Carolina State UniversitySt. Josephs University (PA)Temple UniversityTowson UniversityUnited States Military AcademyUniversity of NC - WilmingtonUniversity of PennsylvaniaUniversity of Rhode IslandYale University
PS. This is only year 2 for Girls NPL and their first showcase.
" Life Lessons "....turn and burn when the going gets tough!
11:06simple phrase by a simple person.You can also use the phrase, "you gotta know when to hold up , know when to fold up, know when to walk away, know when to run"You see you just have to be smart enough to know, which phrase apples to their situation. Unless you are in their shoes, better to keep your mouth shut
If its the same 6 or 7 that play the entire game, whose showcase is it. That's right its my dime paying for the jackasses drinks at the bar that keeps playing the same players
7:32Which teams will you be looking at?I wish you luck. That was a situation (MF and Holmdel NJX) that was obviously not going to work out swimmingly for all involved.
Heard the really dysfunctional parents from that team left for the loooong roster at PDA Storm.Should be up to 30 on that roster by spring. What a show that team will be in the spring.Can't wait until we start hearing about those horror stories.they certainly won't have to worry about players covering if they have any injuries.
PDA added players to Storm roster?How many?they have 23 currently correct?
4 from MF NPL B Team moving over.That has to be tough for players from Ajax and Dragons to swallow.
they are offering the parents 10 cents on the dollar to sell back to the club those magic beans they bought 2 years ago.Remember when 8 of them were going to be on the U14 ECNL Team at U14?Oh yeah and the 8 were going to train separately in Hazlet and just have to drive up north 1 time per month and then all meet at the field for the games. Plus the DOC was going to train them and coach them this fall/spring?
What's going to be left of MF NPL after all these moves?
The handwriting has been on the wall for some time with that team.Unrealistic parents will just believe whatever the club tells them if it is what they want to believe is the truth.
so now what, about 70 players on 3 pda u13 teams?but hey they will need all those payers for when there are injuries on the ecnl team.
PDA now Number 1,2,3 teams in NJ. If you can't beat them.,,,,
No MF NPL players leaving. Nice tryActually heard a PDA player joined MF North program
Pda over east meadow. 3-1
pda #3 #4 and #6 in nj rankings.
Thanks 4:12 so that ends the Pre-ECNL flight for the fall. Who won the World Class FC 01 NPL vs FSA FC 01 NPL? Did they ever play this game? or Did they just forget to call in the score.At the half way point the NPL Fall Champions are listed below: Spring will decide who goes to Indiana.PDA Pre-ECNLPDA North NPLNYSC NEFCPWSI EDL starting this Spring.To the Region 1 Champions League guy, IS it a straight through league Spring/Fall with the winner going to next year's Region 1 Tournament? or does the spring winner go to WV this year?
Oh the select players that have been treated like royalty at MF npl believe they can go to PDA any time they want and will dictate who will play and where, like they do now. Truth is only one kid from npl will make the storm. Just saying
Is Match Fit North still picking up PDA's B team players? They weren't good enough to play on the Storm but they are good enough to play for Match Fit pre ECNL. I also call that a punch in the gut to the Match Fit NPL players. While this player will play against better players, your NPL team is stuck playing b level players. SMH
Always someone poking the top team and programs. PDA and MF keep getting stronger and it kills you.
4:31That is before fall points are given out in the other leagues. The cream will rise to the top. Always does. 4:50So what B team players go to higher teams. Not always easy to judge talent under your nose. Plenty of B team PDA girls move up if they deserve it. But if the girls are on B so what? Still top teams in NJ and Nation.
4:50 how about PDA players just had enough paying coach for side training to keep their spot on team.
5:40 Now I am really SMH. No different at Match Fit. MFA doesn't stand for Match Fit Academy!
Top 3 dreams in the nation.
I thought pda and mf didn't card about GS rankings or points?Oh wait, it's only like when they lose they don't care about winning, except when they win.
4 MF girls training with PDA. Gonna hit the fan
Makes senseThey are close - and PDA always mixes up the stew
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9:36 stirring up anything or do you have some proof? MF NPL Players?
NJ top 1:1- PDA StormNuff said!
I am so sick of hearing about Storm. At least 2 NPL teams are better. We have proven it many times
It appears PDA Storm is top team in Region.Based on their overall results against top teams in region.All teams will loses game but body of work looks pretty impressive.Have to follow this up with East meadow and Matchfit.This is based on overall body of work for u13.
I am so sick of hearing about Storm. At least 2 NPL teams are better. We have proven it many timesDecember 13, 2014 at 11:50 PMThis person needs help. Please turn your computer off and check yourself in.
U13 Pre-ECNL FlightPDA Storm0 1st Only Undefeated team29 1st Points (+4)9 1st Wins (+1)28 2nd Goals Scored (-19)6 1st Goals Scored Against (+3) 22 2nd Goal Differential (-3)This is why kids will want to come and play for them. They will do well and they will have an audience come watch them where ever they play - either ECNL events or tournaments for players 16+.I get it your kid doesn't play the amount of minutes you think she deserves. This is a good team that will get better. This team will be loaded with talented kids. Think hard about any move you might make but if minutes are important to you and your kid is not in the main rotation - then you do what you think is right.
8:44 I have to give credit to PDA. Nice job this fall.I expected MF and PDA to fall between 5-8 in Pre ECNL Flight. This is only Fall season, still many games to be played. EM, MF and PDA are very close in categories listed above.Not Bad for NJ teams to finish in top 3 to date. Then you add wildcats. 3 teams competing and playing hard. Great job!
8:44Your kidding us right? Players do not want to go and play for the Storm and they won't want to go there in the future. The team is not exciting to watch at all. Boring team. They can't win a big tournament and when they do win, their management have figured out a way to change something regarding the game. Fields, times, refs etc. Always something fishy with this team.And the parents is a whole other issue. Storm a good team. Can be beaten, just like anyone.
PDA clearly the best in the region based on results, not points.
League games are for "D" as is Development or have you forgotten your mantra PDA?State Cup and Regional/national championships and top flight tournaments are for results and are meaningful.Coaches play everyone and try new things in league games.League results mean nothing.All that copied directly from the PDA handbook and quoted verbatim many times on this site in the past year after Storm losses.
Re: Storm"They cant win a big tournament..."You could say that pre ECNL NPL division was one long tournament, no?
8:54i agree with you in that the team can be beaten but any team can be beaten. Quality against Quality then on any given day a team can have the upper hand. Different styles of play will also be a factor as one style will try to impose their will on the other. But overall body of work for PDA is still impressive and I am not sure if any team has a better track record thus far.To make light of any teams overall body of work is a bit disingenuous. In my eyes, The PDA Storm, The NJ Wildcats, STA, Matchfit ECNL, FC COPA and some others are terrific options depending in what style of play, you are interested in training your daughter.Who is first should be secondary in a a parents mind. The style of training -technical work and do they play like they practice should be paramount. I am also a fan of significant playing time, but that is my preference.Congratulations PDA storm for a job well done for Fall and a congratulations should also be extended to NJ Wildcats and PDA NPL North for their finishes for the fall season.But the job is not done, I hope your teams do equally well in the Spring.-Soccer Nut-
8:54 Can they be beaten YES.But they are part of the 3% of all teams nationally (Based on GS number of teams at this age group) that are ECNL club teams. Not to mention their club has been number 1 for a few years. They will have their audience regardless of what you or I think or if they lose a game at a tournament. They will measured based on their league results more than their tournament games.8:53 Agreed I didn't expect the fall to go the way it did and it is only half the games (11) to decide a 2014/2015 Champion. I still think the winner of this flight will go to Indiana and not the NPL flight. I guess we will find out once the website is updated.I think MF & EM very much alive as there are only 2 games out of 11 that the should not be a challenge for the top teams making the flight wide open in the spring.
Soccer Nut - 10:00 here, I agree - well said.
9:59am not true as PDA and other ecnl teams always use league games for development and to try different combinations and give subs opportunities.They will only play to win when they get to the elite tournies and US club state cup in the Spring.Wins in league games are meaningless.Coaches at this level are not playing to win in league games.
I believe it is opposite, you play to win the league games. Tournaments for ECNL clubs, you get everyone in to assure players to come back next season
9-0-2 6 ga spin it how ever you want, happy holidays non-ECNL teams:)
0= no loses
0 =#of tournaments Storm has won
Storm will only enter1 tournament a year so kind of tough there.They will have to go 100%.
7:23 remind me again why this is important to Storm players or parents?PS. They were the 2012 & 2013 NJYS State Cup Champions that did not participate in the 2014 edition - I think that counts as a Tournament. 2 State Titles Your turn.
Last thing on Storm it looks like they will only be playing for 1 National Title starting next year. I give them credit they could have entered NJYS Fall State Cup and a chance at the USYS National Championship or they could enter the Spring NJ Cup for a shot at the US Club version of a national title.They are trying to follow what the USSF wants clubs to do. "U.S. Soccer announced a sweeping series of initiatives and programming changes on Monday, a push intended to help “develop world-class players and coaches” by innovating new approaches to “three core areas” of player identification, training and development and competition.Spearheaded by US national team coach Jurgen Klinsmann, who also took up the title of technical director when he signed a lucrative new contract last year, the initiatives represent a significant rethink in several areas – and even include addressing the length and structure of the college game, a long-running problem area in the wider player development process.“U.S. Soccer is collaborating with the NCAA to make changes to the college soccer model that will benefit the health and wellness of the athletes by extending the season over a longer period of time,” the federation explained in a press release.New youth national teams on both the male and female sides will also be added in the form of U-16 and U-19 squads – which will be overseen by full-time head coaches – running the federation's total to eight teams from U-14 to U-23 level.READ: Sounders' Yedlin wins US Soccer Young Male Athlete of the YearU.S. Soccer will standardize small-sided games and field sizes for youth players, in order to create “the proper environment on and off the field for players to develop,” and even-birth-year and odd-birth-year players will be split into separate programming tracks, expanding the number of players involved and “allowing for a more consistent approach toward development.”Coaching education will also be a major focus of the new push, with U.S. Soccer introducing two new coaching courses and a "Pro License" certification, and partnering with Sporting Kansas City on the National Coaching Education Center, a central facility for licensing courses.Klinsmann called the changes “a huge step forward” in helping US players reach their maximum potential.Find more US national team coverage hereSeeking “to benchmark itself against other soccer powers,” the federation will also commission an as-yet-undetermined outside group to lead an independent assessment of its youth national teams and Development Academy system.Starting in the 2016-17 season, it will also add an Under-12 division to the DA's existing U-13/14, U-15/16 and U-17/18 age groups, and will increase funding for the DA's scholarship program in order to open up the nation's premier youth competition to players from humbler economic backgrounds."It's fundamental to the growth of the sport in our country that we examine and improve the different areas of development for our players and coaches," said federation president Sunil Gulati in a statement. "We are better situated than ever with the resources to do that. With ambitious programming for our National Teams, new investments in education and technology, and a continued effort to align our technical practices with the best in the world, we are positioning ourselves to take another important step forward.""
USSF is focused on boys.
8:18What year is it again?Look, its not just the lack of championships, its the total lack of an ability to beat any top teams they face at tournaments, you know when every team is playing to win unlike in league play. MF hasn't won a tournament this fall either but at least they proved they could win against a top team(Cinn.). Not so much for Storm who had chances to do so against Sachem, Cincinnati, Calvert, STA, even FSA and couldn't get it done. And don't try to tell us they weren't playing to win, we all know the excuses are just that. Sorry not impressed. Good team but nowhere close to top of region. And thats OK, be proud of what they are and keep working hard, they'll get there.8:25Is mimicking whats best for the boys, as you are citing, nessessarily best on the girls side? Boys will always have the motivation of playing pro and making good $ in the future, with girls, even at the highest levels thats not a factor. The "rewards" for the girls to keep sacrificing and working hard need to be a little more immediate.
@8:55.It would seem you have dismissed their recent accomplishment of tops in regional league play.No easy feat. That is there most recent recordWheaher or not they are playing all players and are not concerned about winning a tournament is neither here nor there. You mention losses but fail to acknowledge the fact that they were in the finals at last tournament and semi finals at the Chicago tournament.Based on most recent results, who has proven more this year.Has any other NJ team won more games against top teams this year throughout the region?Spring is going to bring a few surprises as this team will become untouchable by middle of Spring.They are already stronger now then they were the beginning of fallLets compare the teams they have beaten compared to the teams in the region that other teams have beaten. I think that says it all.I would not consider this team an underdog vs. any team in region 1.
What does "untouchable" mean when it comes to girld U13 soccer?With Storm at times it means you dont get to play them. Is that what you are getting at?
Used GS Region 1 Top 25 - Show me another team that has played as many and has a better record. W7, T2, L1, GF19, GA92-1 (1) EAST MEADOW HOTSHOTZ0-0 (2) STA MORRIS UNITED NPL 011-0 (5) WORLD CLASS FC '01 CHARLTON1-0 (9) CFC WEST ORANGE5-0 (10) ALBERTSON FURY '01 PRE-ECNL3-2 (17) BOSTON BREAKERS ACADEMY GU13 ECNL2-3 (19) CES CALVERT CREW WHITE2-1 (20) ATLETICO FC GIRLS '011-0 (21) FSA FC U13 GIRLS PRE-ECNL2-2 (21) FSA FC U13 GIRLS PRE-ECNL
and for the record the 1L and 2T came in one tournament.
9:45I just don't consider those major accomplishmentsInside their league they probably do look good, against teams that play a similar style, not physical, with limited subbing, one game a day, all on turf, against teams working more on development than winning at all costs. Its about one step above winning scrimmages, you are making way too much out of it. And lets remember, its not a league of the top teams in the region, just the top clubs, sort of like being #1 in the Ivy League but not being able to win against anyone else.You mention the "last tournament":That would be the EDP Cup 1-1-2 with ties against FSA and STA (both good but not elite teams and a loss to Calvert. They made the finals only winning 1 of 3 games(?)Eclipse(Chicago) - Beat up on 3 weak teams and lost 2-0 to the only top team they faced(they went to Chicago for that?)Reg 1Tournament - Again beat up on 2 weak teams 8-0 & 11-0(real classy BTW), lost to FSA's B team and tied and then lost to the Sachem Speed, who's only real accomplishment seems to be winning that tournament.And I hate to break it to you but that whole bit at the end is what every coach on every underperforming team in the nation is telling their parents. Just don't be surprised if we are having this same conversation 7 months from now, OK?Again the Storm is a pretty good team, but I wouldn't be clearing any space on the shelf for the National Championship Trophy just yet. They need to prove they can beat an elite team when it matters before anyone is going to take you seriously that they are the best in the region, sorry.P.S. I would indeed consider them underdogs, in tournament play when everyone is actually playing to win, against Calvert, most of the Reg 1 League teams, and yes even to a couple of teams in the ecnl. I think you will be surprised by just how much better a few of those teams look when their only focus that weekend is winning. Maybe come on down to Jeff Cup and prove me wrong. BTW, my girls always loved being considered the underdog. So maybe stop telling them that they are the best, when clearly that isn't true, and let that underdog label motivate them.
10:51 yes, let's face it those league games are nothing but"Glorified Scrimmages".
Two questions, 10:51:Who do you think would beat Storm?Who do you think is better than Storm?Obviously there is a subtle difference between the two questions.
10:51You post mythology.The teams Storm beat at Eclipse _they'd tell you, if they were on this board - were not weak.Very few "weak" teams go to this event. They do slip a local in there occasionally as needed filler - and yes, maybe 1 of the 3 Storm opponents at this year's event might qualify as such (the team from WIS)....Be good now. Fact check and prosper!
I do like the first three paragraphs of your passage.
11:25No, more like NFL preseason. Maybe you start your starters, maybe you want more looks at the backups, maybe you try try players in diff positions, maybe it works , maybe not, who cares it's pre season. Tournaments are more like playoffs. Of course you field the best team possible and play to win. You are trying to argue the Storm is the best team because they went undefeated in "preseason" dispite not being able to beat any good teams they play in the "playoffs".11:30Tell me this, is Storm better than the teams they beat in league play because they won those games or because it's your subjective opinion that their style of play is superior regardless of the result. If it's the latter, nothing I say is going to matter because you'll think Storm is better even than all the teams they lost to just based on their supposed superior playing style(I e Wildcats)If it's the former, you'll need to stop bragging about winning those league games since simply winning doesn't determine who the "better" team is. Either way you won't like my lists though! Maybe when I am off the road later I will send it to you anyway.
10:51LOL, if only it were true.Your team will have a tough time with this team in Spring.The Team is stacked.We look forward to all comers.Its going to be a nice ride from here on.
12:07The team is just better skilled period and is now stacked.If coach wants to win the game, you got no shot.
12:14 but you won't tell us if the coach wanted to win until after the result right?that is the difference we come out and play our best every game.
12:25.No control of the coaches decision but pretty impressive group of girls developing and in Spring we certainly won't win them all but very happy with the girls and team will be even better. If we are beat ,more power to your team ,but it won't be easy. The spring team for this group will be a nice group.I say if you can impose your will on this group then i tip my cap and say more power to you!
12:11 & 12:14Every top team thinks that, every coach says it, if you believe it you're a fool!So they weren't really trying to win the regionals this summer?, went to Chicago just for the scenery, nothing to prove against Calvert, they were only like #1 in the country at the time? FYI, every top team is adding top players and getting better every week, not just you.But by all means bring it on, our team doesn't hide in a little private league, refuse to play their state cup, or travel hundreds of miles to tournaments while avoiding all top tournaments in our region like the plague! I am trying to be gentle here, but you have no idea what a number of the top teams in the region are like because you refuse to play them, which is smart on your coaches part(I'm sure he knows). So, will you be at Jeff Cup or are you going to stay in NJ and just talk a lot about how good the team is? Nevermind, I already know, AJAX is at least coming right?
@12:34What team doesn't duck competition?You are not identifying yourself?
sorry 12:34I meant to say daughter.
Thanks, 12:07. That is a valid, and no doubt frustrating point: when they win, it's because they were better. When they lose, it's because they were developing their players to "play the right way", and sometimes you'll lose a game or two to teams that play direct and focus on set pieces when you are focused on development. I think we all get that.To answer my own question, I think FC Va and Penn Legacy would beat Storm.I think FC Va and Storm play equally well. Storm plays better than Legacy.
"To answer my own question, I think FC Va and Penn Legacy would beat Storm."can't answer that question as we have never played these teams in recent setting.I just know, we will take our chances with this group of girls in any game presented and I agree-,enough with the playing for development crap. When these girls play a team and lose, i will be the first to congratulate the other team but Win lose or draw, the body of work for these girls are going to be impressive going into u14.And No this team will never play a lot of tournaments, we will just have to settle for beating the teams that win these tournaments.I wish the top NJ teams much success in these tournament!
12:44I think by many peoples definition Stanford played better soccer than Florida State, but I'm sure they would have rather won!
What tournament has any NJ team won?
And how could you go by tournaments only as many teams have been known to bring guest players. Doesnt always prove the better team.
1:00I will take skill development and playing out of tight spaces @u13 over a win.If my daughter is lucky and good enough to play for a college Championship then give me a win.It is apples and oranges comparing u13 to top college programs in the country.
You are saying that when they lose, the team that beat them hasnt "played out of tight spaces" during the win?That its one or the other?Pretty silly.How's this -"We only lose to teams that donr play the right way"You see how ridiculous that sounds, right?
I think there is plenty of room to applaud both.A team (could be Storm) could look real good and be shut out. This doesnt make them the victor, though it does no doubt show their progressionThe team that wins while not being "as beautiful" should get props for knowing how to defend, even if their own goal was of an "ugly counterattacking pack the box over the top kickball" variety.heh
1:18I disagree. These aren't mutually exclusive concepts here. My daughters team will beat opponents based on their weaknesses. If you can't anticipate(soccer IQ) and step into lanes, they'll pass around you until you're exhausted, not fast they'll just run past you, not aggressive, they'll knock you around till you don't even want to go after the ball, defenders too aggressive, they'll play balls over the top and run on to them. Sometimes it's pretty, sometimes not, but usually it's winning soccer. Not only should these 13 yr olds know how to play multiple styles, but they need to be able to play against them as well. They'll need this ability from now through college and yes even internationally should any of our girls be so fortunate. Don't assume just because a team beats yours by more physical play or on long balls or well practiced set pieces, that's all there is to that team. It may just be that that was the weakness they saw in your team and were exposing it. Learn from it, play against as many different styles as possible, even flat out dirty teams, sure they'll lose a few, but that's what they will be facing for the next 10 years.
Season is over. Who is your top 10 in NJ, CT, NY and PA.
2:09 WOW your daughter's team must be really good. 12 years old they can play 4 or 5 different styles seamlessly and all equally proficient as well...and apparently be able to recognize all the opponents weaknesses instantly too. Amazing.Please post when their next game is, I would love to bring my daughter to watch a real team play.
2:28 I am not sure of their name, but I would have to put 2:09's daughter's team #1. You can argue about #2-10 after that.
1;25it a lot easy to play out of tight spaces if you only boot the ball forward. My u8 daughter's team does that quite effectively. takes significant skill and practice to pass you way out of it.but a u8 team with no training can do it one way. the other takes years of practice and skill
2:09In the games you do lose, what was it that the opponent was doing that gave you trouble?Thanks
2:40It's called great coaching. We are fortunate to have 18 starters on our team, all of whom can play multiple positions. Gives our coaches a lot of options. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to see your left defender is slow and sub in our fastest wing on that side etc. We've been teaching them since they were 8 to take what the other team gives them, why is it such a shock that by 12 or 13 they have actually learned to do so? And yes, those girls are amazing!
2:51They were kicking the ball into the goal more often than we could!
12:14pm You are telling me that PDA coach did not want to win vs Match Fit? Why did they not win vs this team?
Can someone explain to a novice which teams play in Npl ? Is it only teams bound for ecnl or others as well? If only ecnl bound teams, where do the rest play, edp ? Thx.
Teams play where they wish, if they are accepted.ECNL is very exclusive. NPL a bit less so, but the club has to enter MULTIPLE teams -a team cannot just enter,,,,Northern Counties in New Jersey and Long Island Junior Soccer League are 2 examples where an individual team could get placedI would say playing NPL couldnt hurt if a club aspires to be accepted by ECNL -
just some different rankings:Youth Soccer RankingsLast updated: Dec 15, 2014NYE 34.07 EAST MEADOW SC PRE ECNL 33.32 WORLD CLASS FC PRE ECNL32.62 ATLETICO FC32.19 ALBERTSON SC FURY PRE ECNL 32.08 HBC SPARK 32.06 NEW YORK SC NPL31.60 INTENSE SA NPL 31.15 MASSAPEQUA SC NPL31.13 SACHEM YSL FC LONG ISLAND ALLIANCE31.04 RAMAPO VALLEY SC TORNADOS PAE33.49 PENN LEGACY BLACK 33.48 1776 UNITED 33.43 PENN FUSION SA PRE ECNL 33.06 PA CLASSICS ACADEMY 32.52 LEHIGH VALLEY UNITED FC NPL32.38 YARDLEY MAKEFIELD SOCCER BANSHEES 32.26 WYOMING VALLEY SC TRAVEL 32.23 FC REVOLUTION FORCE 32.18 RAGE SC ATHELTICA 32.11 HMMS SC EAGLE FC SPIRITNJ34.19 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY PRE ECNL 33.80 MATCH FIT ACADEMY FC ECNL 33.79 NJ WILDCATS AVERBUCH33.43 MATCH FIT ACADEMY FC NORTH EAST NPL 33.29 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY SOUTH NPL 32.80 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY NORTH NPL 32.50 NJ CRUSH FC TSUNAMI 32.44 MORRIS UNITED SA STA NPL 32.02 NJCSA GALAXY31.80 MEDFORD SC HURRICANES NJ/NYE/PA Top 1034.19 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY PRE ECNL34.07 EAST MEADOW SC PRE ECNL33.80 MATCH FIT ACADEMY FC ECNL 33.79 NJ WILDCATS AVERBUCH33.49 PENN LEGACY BLACK 33.48 1776 UNITED 33.43 PENN FUSION SA PRE ECNL 33.32 WORLD CLASS FC PRE ECNL33.43 MATCH FIT ACADEMY FC NORTH EAST NPL 33.29 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY SOUTH NPL
HBC SPARK?Really, you’re killing me, actually I am already dead, say goodnight.
Any predictions as to what teams might emerge as the "dark horse" come spring? Are we possibly in for some surprises? Curious to hear thoughts on this.
Yea PAE list is also a head scratcher. Who determines this and by what criteria? I know its put out by TDS but who has seen these teams enough to be qualified to make this list up? How about include the rest of Reg 1, FCV, GB, Calvert, BRYC, where do they fall on this "list"? I mean we know who's posting it and why. Obviously feels the need to prove something the teams record doesn't, but really, give it up, nobody cares what you think about your own team. How about everyone just posts who the best team their kids team has played against is? Might get a much better idea of who's playing the best soccer this fall without all the self serving B.S.About 2 weeks ago, someone who has actually seen most of these top teams play posted a list on here. I saw no one argued with it. Since I am fairly sure I know where this posters kid plays, and seeing that team not on top, I will assume it was reasonably objective. I won't repost it since it wasn't my list, but it was probably the most accurate one I saw. This ones actually worse than GS.
Nobody cares about MD and VA except the Region 1 guy.
I'm not the "Reg 1 Guy", and I care. Our team plays against the top teams in all these states, but I understand why you guys barely leave NJ. I wouldn't either.It seems YOU just don't care about any states that have better teams than your kids in them. If thats the case you should stop caring about NYW, PAE, CT, NYE and MA too. Might as well throw in OS. Truth be told, you should stop caring about NJ as well!
8:37I will add my humble opinion about the 3 best teams we have played this fall season:Tophat 20Southshore SelectBoston Breakers
No I care about NJ, PA and NY only because we have played most if not all of those teams. Unless you play every team in Maryland, Virginia or Hawaii you can't rank those states. If you play them all rank those states. Please enlighten us.
And do you rank by playing them in league play or tournaments? We all know that the tournament teams could be vastly different due to guest players.
I also care about the MD and VA teams.Someone referenced them, so here are my "who would beat who" rankings based on the teams I have seen:1. FC Virginia2. Penn Legacy3. PDA Pre-ECNL4. East Meadow Pre-ECNL5. FC Stars of Mass Pre-ECNL6. Penn Fusion Pre-ECNL7. Wildcats8. Match Fit Pre-ECNL9. BRYC10. Boston Breakers Pre-ECNL11. YMS12. Maryland FC13. PDA NPL South14. Match Fit NPL15. Connecticut FC Pre-ECNL16. World Class Pre-ECNL17. FSA Pre-ECNL18. PWSI19. Albertson Pre-ECNL20. Penn Fusion NPL21. 177622. PipelineNever seen:PDA NPL NorthMatch Fit BlackNYSCPA ClassicsAthleticoNEFC
Oh, and for what it's worth, the three best teams I've seen are TopHat, FCV, and PL.
The earlier posts about MF-NJX possibly losing 4 players to MF is no surprise. Good players going to the best programs is not a new thing. NJX "gave up" their position as a best program when they subscribed to the MF deal. From an NJX view, they were a best program but they turned wayward when the interest of the coach and the club, followed by the club foregoing it's own program and culture for that of MF gave it's parents room to pause and question whether NJX was still the best and right place. Deep down, NJX lacked the courage and conviction to hold the course. Regratably they will come to realize that their very own program was better than that of MF save for a few situations for truly gifted players. In the end, all of the partnership activity trumped the on field and team building aspect of the experience. Is there any youth in youth soccer? If these 4 players leave, what will become of the NJX remnant players? An invite to be on the MF 4th side in the age group?
10:04 & 05You said "nobody cares" not "I don't care". Big difference. We don't need to play every team in these states, just the best, which is what you would find at the top Reg. 1 tournaments if you would choose to participate. BTW, most teams don't bring guest players, thats just another excuse for not winning. I know we don't, sort of seems like cheating to me. Win lose or draw, we are trying to develop the roster we have not chase points or trophies. I think if you play with guests, unless from your own B team, you should forfeit all GS points(1st small step to fixing GS). Personally I hold State Cups highest, everyones top priority is winning, unlike leagues, and no guest players. But again some teams choose not to participate but like to TALK a lot about what they could have done.
As far as determining who the best team in the state is, which is what the lists at 11:03 were published for
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