Sounds like a storm is a brewing, no pun intended.
pda club on girls side will be going to some changes.May not ever be the same as doc was responsible for setting up ecnl monopoly with Illinois/Texas/Cal/PDA clubs and pda will have hard time finding comparable coach/ and mover shaker to replace his clout.
Glen Crooks was coach at PDA where was that conflict of interest. stop string the pot when there is nothing to stir.
hmmmmm on PDA issue, why is guy taking down posts? I agree with other poster regarding this. the bitterness needs to end, I post and read this because it should be fun and my daughter is U12 lol like the blog is supposed to be. It takes my mind off "other things" regarding PDA they will always be good and get great coaches, that is the pinnacle of coaching youth soccer. Only 5 real academies in NJ. NJSA, PDA, Cedars, TSF and Match Fit. They will attract best coaches. Back to Red Card coach, he is a great trainer/coach, his brother does a great job also. they push the kids, believe me these kids need it. We were definitely pushed this way as children in sports, even more so back then. It is not like we are Israeli and sending our 12 year old daughters to military school, however we need to be aware of how things are now with video games, phones and other outlets, and be sure our children remain on the fields as long as they can, and compete. Once that ends they are into drugs, alcohol and other stupid stuff. so bring on the red card coach if he can properly train my daughter and coach her. we do not play for him, however maybe some day, we have trained and guest played with him and brother through UST.
The long time flouting of the 50 mile rule by rutgers/pda womens soccer coaches has beena constant as NCAA Rule forbids college coaches from training or coaching ANY players who are freshmen through seniors in high school if they live more than 50 miles from rutgers campus.EVERY nj player on ANY PDA U15-u18 team over the last 14 years who lived south of northern ocean county including ALL of south jersey who were on the pda U15-U18 teams during that time period coached by GC and/or MO and/or rutgers assistant coach MR was an infraction of ncaa rules as they clearly lived more than 50 miles south of Zarapeth/pda site..rutgers is under the microscope now with 2 recent scandals in men bball and athletic director gaffs and move to big ten.Again word surely came own from on high to eliminate ANY questionable practices or conflicts of interest in ANY of the rutgers sports programs that had the potential to jump up and bite the program with more embarrassing revelations.
@158.....Thanks for the good laugh, I needed it long day in office.
internet says 40.2 miles from piscataway to end of route 18 south at wall(you can pick up parkway there at exit 98 or get onto 195 west).Clearly 10 miles south from there(exit 88 on parkway) you would reach 50 miles from rutgers piscataway campus and soccer stadium at exit 88 on parkway, which is bricktown.Any players south of brick(even toms river is outside the 50 mile radius) who were coached or even trained by any rutgers coaches on pda teams in U15-U18 age groups over the last 14 years was in violation of ncaa 50 mile rule.
@2:57 my pleasure my friend, same with me. try and break it up a little. this is fun!
Does coach red card have a helicopter pilot's license? Or did he lose it for too many red cards?
FC Stars of Mass tourney looks to the most competitive event for Labor Day weekend, are you game?
Is there an updated acceptance list?
I have to admit, I don't really understand this red card equals passion for the game BS. It is always bad form for any player, or coach, or moronic parent to be issued a red card, always. 5:28, good try!
1:58 Academies don't exist on girls side first Second some of those places you mentioned don't have top coaches / trainers not even close The rest of your post about red card coach and military school I think you have a case of youth soccer overload and need a break away for a month or two or a nice vacation to get ready for upcoming season
Guys, calling all experts - I was just watching tv and saw the ESPN Fantasy Football App Commercial where the police officer keeps taking stuff to prepare for his draft.Dudes, I do the same thing for u12 soon to be u13 Girls Soccer.HELP, I think I'm sick
@8:51 we are not doing summer soccer this year as a break, thanks for the suggestion tough person, lol. try and keep this blog fun, if you want to call people out do it to their face, hiding behind an anonymous blog and talking about someones life and children is cowardly. I do love, ,love soccer, it is fun, have a few kids in it for years. And of course those academies have top coaches and players, what are you talking about, no knowledge yet again on this blog, just like the referees red card coach has to re-explain off sides and soccer rules to during and after matches. these coaches played professional soccer, what team did you play for?? lol go Red Card coach, he is very good!
O great fantasy soccer pool for U13 girls soccer, I am in!
11:02, the fact that you actually support the RC coach is depressing, any ideas on how I can improve my mood?The cowardly lion.
Obamacare can get you some meds for depression on the cheap;)Unless you were there u have no idea what red card was for.
Red Cards and tantrums on refs are a pattern for this red card coach.If it was just the one you might have a point.
Guys, what are we talking about with Red Cards. A coach who cant control himself and get a red card?You guys are kind of having a personal chat - I have no idea what you are talking about - and honestly I don't really care either. So the guys a loud mouth - they're a dime a dozen.What's the rule with a straight red card at youth games - never seen one. So if the coach gets one they have to leave the field? Do they play short a player? They should if they don't just like any red card. Can a parent get a red card and if so does the team have to play short a player? They should.
PS. Thank 12:21 for obamacare.
many adults, little 11/12 year old girls also support this RC coach. so if you are saying we are all stupid, the girls are stupid for supporting him NJSA is etc. etc. it comes to a point where you have to look at yourself. And yes, I am in my mid-forties and have several children in sports, and I also played throughout college. So I have seen, more than my share of horrific refs. unjustified red cards etc. etc. etc. you just have to be an athlete yourself to understand this passion.
And thank you 1:16 for bringing some levity to the subject, I do not feel it is one on one conversation, it is important for all to hear. I myself have coached up until this year! I have never even been yellow carded so I get it. But again, I wonder, does the red card coach have the will to win, can he show my children that, can he/others like him, show my children how to be the best, how to be like "winning is certainly not everything, BUT trying to is" Try to win, beat the other lot, dont let the opposing side die of boredom because there is no passion
Didn't this same "Red Card Coach"do something unethical when was with Force?
No completely different coach and nationality! lol UST is the training venue for them
got soccer updates to U13 on August 1st I heard?
Do not know red card coach. If his team supports him then great. Wish you the best. Just don't mistake passion for a person who can not control himself when things don't go your way. Have a great season
Question relating to post 2:00pm - If 50 mile rule forbids players who are in high school and live more than 50 miles from the colleges campus from being trained or coached by that colleges coaches than that is a clear competitive advantage in recruiting for rutgers and an ncaa violation. But what about the competitive advantage gained by the PDA U15-U18 teams who had theses south jersey players on their rosters the last 14 years while theses rutgers coaches were on their coaching staffs?
9:01pm -Here is the NCAA 50 rule from the NCAA website:Institution's Coach Observing Prospective Student-Athletes While Acting in Capacity for Local Sports Club (I)Date Published: November 7, 2012 Item Ref: 1 Educational Column:Editor's Note: This column was updated June 20, 2013, to add additional questions to assist with membership clarification.NCAA Division I institutions should note, pursuant to the local sports club legislation, in sports other than basketball, an institution's coach may be involved in any capacity (e.g., as a participant, administrator or in instructional or coaching activities) in the same sport for a local sports club or organization located in the institution's home community, provided all prospective student-athletes participating in said activities are legal residents of the area (within a 50-mile radius of the institution).Very Clear.
Its obvious that PDA broke the rules. For years they disregarded the fact that their players had an advantage in the quality, and quantity of expert coaching. The issue is, will the NCAA pick this up, it might not be a big enough story. However, both USYSA and US Club can impact this melodrama.
PDA has different campus's just Match Fit or any other club. Stop being jealous.
Maybe the Big Ten coaches already brought this out to NCAA. Could be why Rutgers coach resigned.After all who believes a head coach resigns 2 weeks before the beginning of the new fall season.Especially when he is recently on record as saying he is very excited about the challenge and opportunities provided by this falls move to the Big Ten. Will be interesting to see if new head coach and returning assistant resign all positions with PDA Club immediately.
read the rule, campus must be in the general neighborhood of college institution they work for and players must not reside more than 50 miles from the COLLEGE CAMPUS they work for, not the pda clubs campus.Try reading rule again.Nice try though.Many players on recent pda commitment lists live much further than 50 mile radius from rutgers piscataway where those rutgers coaches work.Period.
*:01 correct. Within 50 miles of the institution means within 50 miles of the college they work for, not the soccer club.The reason the rule exists is to limit the college coaches contact to players in the immediate area of their college, local players.It eliminates college coaches from bringing in high school age players(student athletes-recruits) from all over and developing relationship with them thru training and coaching them during periods when other college coaches do not have access to them(not even allowed to approach or speak to them until their senior year).How many campuses pda or matchfit has is irrelevant.College coaches cannot work with high school players who live more than 50 miles from their institution.
PDA don't need no stinking rules as only the little people follow rules.Actually it was Rutgers breaking the rule with an assist from PDA.Either way you look at it just another example of rules only apply if we want them to mentality.Nothing to see here so move on
Oh no there is plenty here.Maybe the Big Ten coaches already brought this out to NCAA. Could be why Rutgers coach resigned.After all who believes a head coach resigns 2 weeks before the beginning of the new fall season.Especially when he is recently on record as saying he is very excited about the challenge and opportunities provided by this falls move to the Big Ten. Will be interesting to see if new rutgers head coach and returning assistant resign all positions with PDA Club immediately.
College coaches cannot work with high school players who live more than 50 miles from their college institution.Looking on Top Drawer Soccer Site many of the pda commits to Rutgers from class of 2012 were from way down in south jersey, while 50 miles due south from rutgers brings you only down to Brick area.If Big Ten /NCAA is looking into this will it effect eligibility of current rutgers players from south jersey who may have been trained and coached by rutgers coaches at pda club in violation of 50 mile rule! There are at least 3 from class of 2012 who fit this profile.
Exactly, according to above ncaa 50 mile rule quoted above from their website both pda club and rutgers univ womens soccer has repeatedly broken this rule for the last 14 years. This will certainly affect rutgers move to the big ten as this is not the cowboy big east with Calhoun at uconn, bod huggins at cinn and West Virginia, etc.the big Ten has northwestern, Purdue, Michigan , etc. and these are among the top academic institutions in the country.those big east coaches were so busy trying to stay out of trouble and covering their own that they didn't have much time to worry about what the other schools in the big east were doing.that is not the case in the big ten and rutgers recent troubles and scandals in mens bball have caused the rutgers administration to take a hard look at situations in ALL their sports that could cause more embarrassment as they move to big ten this fall.
...and this affects you how? Let the NCAA and Rutgers figure it out. It surely doesn't have much to do with rising U13 girls soccer.
It certainly does as pda has used it's employment of rutgers coaches as trainers and coaches at pda club to woo players who are outside the legal 50 mile radius from rutgers campus.this certainly helps pda draw players who would like to play at rutgers someday and look at playing and training with the rutgers coaches as youth players while at poda as a way to develop relationships and showcase themselves to the rutgers coaches. this is exactly why the rule is in place as this type of contact with student athletes is an unfair recruiting advantage for both rutgers and pda club.
The rule is fine and clear and it is something that the NCAA and Rutgers should/will sort out. It doesn't affect you negatively unless your older daughter was not awarded a spot on the Rutgers team because a player of lesser talent from PDA was given the spot. Please, everyone that falls into this category on the U12-U13 girls soccer blog, please reply asap so we can get a head count and get this injustice rectified immediately.
LOL 2:29.Its just a slow summer for some of these knuckle heads.
Watch, the new Rutgers coach will resign from DOC at PDA and also as PDA coach of high school aged teams. All related.Either:1- PDA must stop employing rutgers coaches as PDA coaches/trainers .or2 - PDA must stop rostering players who live more than 50 miles from rutgers institution(players who live south of Brick).In addition to not being allowed to coach or train them,College coaches cannot even speak to players or parents of high school age players until their senior year of hs.
PDA is very Baaddddddd! Other clubs are very goodddddd!
@ 2:29Part of the problem is the belief that if not impacted directly than we don't have any justification to say its wrong.Let's frame it another way.Club A plays by the rules and struggles to become successful.Club B makes up the rules as they go along and quickly becomes the go to club and is rated #1 in the country assisted by making up said rules.So pick which club had the most impact on youth soccer even though your kid isn't mentioned.It wasn't a mistake it was going on. One would guess these are all smart folks on some level.
Of course the rutgers coaches and pda administration knew very well they were breaking the rules to gain an unfair competitive advantage.Now the chickens have come home to roost. Watch the same arrogance which convinced them they were above the rules continue in their posts.
Yes, college coaches through contact with club coaches are able to assess a club players interest in their program and pass along their interest in the player.It goes both ways and either side often initiates the contact.also remember that at their own expense youth players can visit a college campus at ANY age and stop in to a coaches office or better still make an appointment.In the case of rutgers and pda the club coaches and college coaches are one and the same so they have circumvented the 50 mile rule which allows them as PDA coaches and trainers to deal directly with the player(and often the parents) which is against ncaa rules and therefore an unfair recruiting advantage.
It has affect me some how, right? It's on the internet so it must be fractionally factual, right?
Wait a second, I don't get it - how are they breaking any rules? They are not the only club that uses college coaches (that's a Fact). How is it their fault that they put together a good club that many want their kids playing for.For the record their Feb Girl Signing Day post had something like 50 girls on it and 4 of them are going to Rutgers? Man you guys will pick on anything.Give it a rest. I am willing to bet that the parents didn't bring their kids to PDA because of the DOC. They brought them because they had 50+ girls sign to go to college in Feb and next year they will have another 50+ followed by another 50+.That has nothing to do with the DOC coaching a college.
If you don't get playing by the rules matters you probably never will. It's no different in the game of life. Some get it and some don't.
Did PDA actually break a rule? I thought it was an NCAA rule, of which PDA does not belong. I get that no one roots for Goliath, but this is a bit ridiculous to pick on them for this.
"You don't get it?""How are they breaking any rules?"Try this again- college coaches may train and coach at a club/academy as long as NONE of the players they are in contact with live more than 50 miles from the college they coach for. This is an ncaa rule called the 50 mile rule.the rule was printed on the preceding page of posts verbatim directly from the ncaa handbook.Pda has numerous players from south jersey who live WAY more than 50 miles south of rutgers(50 miles south of rutgers takes you to Brick)on their A teams who are coached and trained by one of the current rutgers coaches who are also on the pda staff.This has been a pattern of behavior at rutgers and pda over the last 14 years.The point is they are not playing by the rules and it is going to stop or Rutgers will be facing NCAA probation.the rules exist for a reason and it is to create a level playing field for everyone.there are always corrupt individuals who will circumvent the rules to create an unfair competitive advantage for themselves but that is why there are punishments in place for those who are caught violating the rules, probation, loss of scholarships, etc.
8:46 the rutgers coaches are running pda on the girls side.they are the ones who set up this system in the first place.You can not separate one from the other .
Was that a long way of saying "Rutgers' coaches, and by extension Rutgers University, violated the 50 mile rule. PDA benefited from this violation, even though they technically did not break any rules".
Hard to believe Rutgers coaches could not have set up this corrupt system without the collusion of pda club administration.Have to beleieve they all new exactly what they were getting into and all benefited financially and competitively.
So your trying to twist this that PDA broke "NCAA rules". Hmmm. Maybe you should go on the Rutgers blog to properly vent. Reminder this is a U12 (for 5 more days) blog.
@ 9:45PDA didn't violate the rule Rutgers did but the head coach and assistant coach are synonymous wth respects to PDA. It speaks to the character and $ aspect.
10:26 spot on- Rutgers = pda on the girls side of the pda program.the rutgers coach as doc chooses the coaches and trainers for each team and they better work to steer players to rutgers or they won't be coaching those top teams in the future. Also other colleges have to go thru the club coach if they want to let players know they are interested in recruiting them before the are juniors as they are not allowed direct contact by mail,phone or email at that age.How often do you think that message actually gets delivered if the pda coach of that team is also a rutgers coach and they want the player to attend rutgers.conflict of interest and opportunity for shenanigans is exactly why the ncaa rule forbids this type of partnership.
Boy some people are quite obsessed with this. If it bothers you that much write a letter to someone who cares. I mean does it really require 60 posts on this blog? Really?
10:53 so you are let's drop this subject and move on to something important and relevant to the Academy level youth soccer community in NJ and Region 1? With sudden, unexpected turnover of rutgers head coach 2 weeks before start of college season and Rutgers now moving to Big Ten Conference and his staffs long time control of PDA Youth Girls Program and possible hanky-panky between the two why should we discuss that on a youth soccer blog? Let's move back to something really important like who will win the next tournament. Right!
Wildcats and Calvert crew playing in edp championship this weekend. Looks like all ecnl teams (PDA ,Worldclass and east meadow said no thanks.
Dude, if that is true about the others opting-out, that is a disgrace, and a bitch-slap to EDP, big time.Cannot imagine why they would not participate, unless they simply don't have enough girls to be competitive, ugly.
9:02. Yes thank you. Much appreciated. Next tournament looks to be Spirit. What's the consensus?
FC Stars of Mass is the tournament to attend, not Spirit. Get out of here with that.
where is the link for EDP championship
Would be refreshing if PDA apologists would admit they were wrong and gained an unfair competitive advantage over the other Academies in Region 1 and nationally by using rutgers womens soccer coaches to coach their U15-u18 girls teams despite those teams having multiple players who live beyond the allowed 50 mile radius from rutgers as per NCAA Rules.The PDA administration and other PDA coaching staff turned a blind eye to the shenanigans because they were having success and the $$$$ were coming in and they were all getting their share.Don't hold your breath though.More rationalizations are coming.
"A college coach can only call or visit you after July of your junior year in high school. That means a coach cannot place an outbound call to you, nor can he initiate a visit to your home or school specifically to talk to you about playing a sport at his or her college, until the summer before your senior year. Remember, this deals only with outbound communication from a coach. You can call or meet with a coach at any point in your high school career. That’s right; you can call a coach whenever you want. "So when you tryout for a club who is initiating the contact? The player is, please enough with this play by the rules business - this is a u12 board going to u13 - Really - take this to a place where it matters Because if you don't i'll start talking MLS and I will answer my own questions on top of that.
Some Scores from today1 NJSA 04 GALAXY0 YARDLEY MAKEFIELD SOCCER YMS BANSHEES 0 JERSEY PREMIER SOCCER FLASH2 NJSA 04 GALAXY 8 YARDLEY MAKEFIELD SOCCER YMS BANSHEES0 SDFC SAMBA
Interesting scores. Not sure how many guests or teams missing players but interesting scores to end U12.
5:33 yes as a high school age player you can call a coach and if he or she is in the office and picks up they can speak to you but they cannot call you back.The NCAA 50 mile rule relates to college coaches coaching/training and interacting with a high school student athlete as a volunteer or paid coach at a youth soccer club, be it pda or any other club.Regardless of whether the player chooses to try out or you invite them to try out for the club team the college coach cannot train or coach the high school age player if you live more than 50 miles from the college where they coach.the point is rutgers coaches are coaching the U16 and other high school age pda teams which includes players living beyond 50 miles from rutgers and that is against ncaa rules.What is so hard to understand.They are cheating.It is against the rules.It is an unfair advantage gained by circumventing the rules that apply to all College programs and clubs.
The NCAA rule says "prospective student-athletes" on the team coached by a college coach must be within 50 miles of the coach's home institution. Perhaps the exploited loop hole lies in the word "prospective." If Rutgers is not recruiting a specific athlete from a PDA team she does not qualify as a "prospective" student athlete and no rule is broken. Rutgers recruits other clubs too, not just PDA. Rutgers may take 4-5 PDA players a year (out of nearly 50 if they have 2 teams of 24) but they also draw from elsewhere. Don't forget PDA does have multiple teams and not all of their coaches are college coaches. Lots of college coaches coach club teams. I bet if you look around you'll see plenty of them. Isn't the Temple head coach also the coach of a NJ club team? What about the CT teams?
You have officially beaten the horse to death. Write a letter to the newspaper already will you. My god, enough. No one cares but you. It is just recycling the same story.
prospective -"a person expecting or expected to be something in the future". In this case the ncaa refers to the current high school athlete who is expecting or expected to become a college student athlete in the future.It includes ALL prospective student athletes, not only the ones rutgers may claim to be interested in.NCAA rules are in place limiting contact with all high school players for college coaches irregardless of whether they actually recruit or sign them to their school.Nice try though.For instance the high school graduating class of 2012 commitment list on Top Drawer Soccer website includes 3 rutgers commits from far down in south jersey all listing pda as their home club. Look at the roster of the current U16 girls team that just won the national title.check out their hometowns.Same thing.That team is coached by the rutgers coaches.There are even cases of out of state players playing on some of these pda teams at the older ages at pda who are coached by the rutgers coaches.
College coaches can coach club ball, but the players they coach MUST live withing a 50 mile radius of the college at which they coach. Very simple.The reasons for this restriction are obvious as it creates an unfair advantage for both the college and club.How about instead of attacking the messengers and making ridiculous excuses you just start playing by the rules.
Please call the FBI immediately. We know who they are, we know where they live. What are we waiting for? I don't think I will sleep tonight knowing that these criminals are walking among us. We end to clean up the streets and keep NJ safe.
Okay this board has really confused me now.First the Daddy Coach is BadNow the College Coach is badSo who exactly do we want to coach all these kids this high level soccer this board wants so much at the young ages? Who's going to develop all our kids?
Enough with this story, nothing is new. PDA coaches might have conflict of interest? Really? You found out now? PDA has it's hands on every soccer organization in this country and you spent five days talking about 50 miles rules. You are right and it is wrong the way they have been working. But it is a much bigger issue if you really look at it
What a bunch of babies you all are. The PDA haters are just jealous- go back to admiring your clubs home page and the big win you had over your neighboring town team!FYI brick to rutgers is 39 miles.
Dear lord people. The outraged 50 mile poster is just trolling. Its the same dude who was all excited to play for the red card coach. It's been a slow summer. Let's all entangle ourselves from his trolling net, give him a begrudging slow clap, and get ready for the Stars of Mass and Spirit flights to be posted soon. *slow clap*
We live 49.99 miles from my door to Rutgers so I'm good! This person had me worried for a bit, NOT! Give it a rest & enjoy summer. This board will not & should not heat up until later August.
See below from Wikipedia -40 miles south from rutgers at north end of route 18 at Hoes Lane takes you to end of route 18 in wall. Also within 1 mile of parkway at exit 98, follow 10 additional miles south on GS Parkway to reach Brick area.That Brick area at GS Parkway exit 88 is 50 miles south of rutgers at north end of route 18.Route 18 is a 40.16-mile (64.63 km) long state highway in the US state of New Jersey. It begins at an intersection with Route 138 in Wall and ends when the road disseminates into Hoes Lane in Piscataway.
Jul 19 Seattle Sounders 3, Tottenham Hotspur 3 Jul 23 Toronto FC 2, Tottenham Hotspur 3Columbus Crew 2, Crystal Palace 2Sporting KC 1, Manchester City 4FC Dallas 0, Aston Villa 2 LA Galaxy 0, Manchester United 7 Philadelphia Union 0, Crystal Palace 1New York Red Bulls 1, Arsenal 0 D.C. United 0, Fulham 3Chicago Fire 0,Tottenham Hotspur 2Houston Dynamo 0, Aston Villa 1
What MLS is 1W, 2T, 8L, 9GF, 28GA vs EPL
Yeah the only W was Red Bulls because they didn't play by the rules. They say they are NY but they play in NJ gives them a huge advantage. Yeah instead of playing on concrete or in school yards they play on grass. which also happens to be in PDA territory, lets blame them for this as well, PDA steals everything.
EPL is in pre-season form MLS is in mid-season form oh boy US soccer has a way to go
Keep up with this 50 mile stuff, I can MLS all day.
So, who is playing in the CRUSH tournament ?
FC Crush teams are the only ones playing in this tournament, that way they can’t lose.
NCAA rules don't apply to Pros,MLS, etc.Fact remains you are and have been cheating all along.Ask the still reeling Rutgers Administration how they will feel about another scandal and NCAA investigation into the Rutgers athletic dept on the eve of the move to the Big Ten Conference this fall..
Soccer is the # 4 sport in this country. Until that changes to the top 2 we will not have the athletes to compete against the world. It's the number 1 on the girls side. Not close on the men's
It's a 50 mile radius as the crow flies from the college coach's institution, NOT a 50 mile "physical road/NJTP/GSP" limit. So knowing that were is the 50 mile limit now?
*where (pre-empting the grammar police)
7:05 I don't buy into your #4 argument. I don't care if soccer was #20 in our great country, with the size, population and resources we have - to be honest we don't have an excuse other than we are just not that good at this sport on the Men's side. The only thing that has saved us on the Women's side is that we have a huge player pool compared to other countries and that Europe hasn't invested in the game until recently. In Europe and South America Women just didn't play Soccer, that's started to change and the sad thing is countries like Germany, France, Sweden an Japan give us a game now.The problem with soccer is we don't pay.
From a soccer perspective why people care about college and school's having an advantage to play in college is beyond me (college should be #1 regardless of sport). The game isn't very nice they are not learning anything it's kind of like HS ball. If you are a prodigy you get hurt by playing HS or College ballHowever, Lindsey Horan bypassed college soccer to begin playing professionally in Europe at 18, and just finished her second season with Paris Saint-Germain, she hasn't received as much attention on this side of the Atlantic because of this. When she was 18 "In an unprecedented move for a women’s soccer player, forward Lindsey Horan has signed a six-figure contract with French club PSG and foregone her previous commitment to NCAA powerhouse North Carolina""Could Americans moving abroad become a trend as European club teams continue to build better teams? There isn’t a club in the U.S. right now that would come anywhere close to matching that type of salary."
Who won EDP championship?
As the crow flies probably southern ocean county, maybe toms river hits 50 miles south from rutgers.
Let our "50 mile fanatic" (or 50MF for short), continue his rant posts. Let's just agree not to respond to them. This will then probably resort to him responding to himself and hopefully it will become much less fun and then eventually will disappear. We can only hope. For the love go Pete can U13 start soon please!
As long as one parent is pissed off that PDA cut their kid, you will have attacks on PDA. This past week's rant is Rutgers. What is next week's rant?
Regardless of the motivation for bringing up the 50 mile rule I am dumfounded that anyone could brush off a blatant NCAA rule violation.
10:38 true but it's not a single ncaa violation, rutgers/pda has conspired together on the girls side for the last 14 years to make a mockery of ncaa rules which do not allow high school age players to meet with, speak to, train with, play for, or have their parents interact with college coaches if they live more than 50 miles from the coaches college institution.Only a pda acolyte or apologist would try to defend this against all reason. The impact of circumventing this rule for recruiting purposes to both parties advantage are obvious as is the many reasons for this rule and other rules limiting and outlining the parameters of allowed contact between hs players and college coaches to be in place.the purpose is a level playing field for everyone.To act as if this is no big deal is ridiculous. It has had a huge impact on the competitive balance for both competitors of PDA on the girls Academy side in Region 1 and beyond as well as for the ncaa institutions who have competed with rutgers for the top nj high school female players over the past decade plus.
You got the wrong person. But please do try and be careful what you post.
It's a well-formed trolling argument. He's done a really nice job of conflating Rutgers alleged violations with PDA's actions ("they are one and the same!" "hard to believe they weren't in on this together"). And the conclusory statements Are wonderful:"The impact of circumventing this rule for recruiting purposes to both parties advantage are obvious" and " It has had a huge impact on the competitive balance". Unsubstantiated conclusory statements are Trolling 101.I just love the idea that the lure of Rutgers (Rutgers!) has caused players to flood to PDA and created a huge competitive imbalance in NJ.
I think the greater lure might be the chance to train with and be coached by college coaches as a youth player in club ball. Either way breaking the rules has been a competitive advantage to both PDA and Rutgers in this arrangement for many years now.To argue the degree of the advantage gained is to miss the point.It is against the rules, it is cheating, it is dishonest.There are penalties and sanctions in place by the NCAA for breaking their rules.And your minimizing of the draw of Rutgers for NJ high school players to make your point is a bit disingenuous. Rutgers is a very good womens soccer program(and moving to the Big ten will certainly raise their profile) and a very good academic institution.Rutgers has drawn very strong players from PDA Program year in and year out.Very funny to see PDA quickly ready to separate themselves and throw Rutgers coaches under the bus as the noose tightens.
So your daughter didn't make a PDA team because of this "flood" of 50 mile+ talent chasing Rutgers through PDA or she didn't make Rutgers team because of unfair advantages given to less talented PDA players. Which is it? Either way, again no one cares.
Clearly the moral issue is lost on the recent PDA apologists(8:49am and 9:27am).You are either abiding by the rules or you are breaking them.Integrity is not a matter of degrees.Especially for those who aspire to work with and be role models for our children.
Not a PDA apologist. Not affiliated with PDA (or Rutgers for that matter). Just sick and tired of the redundant posts. You have beaten it to death. If there is a violation, I am sure it will be dealt with by the people that oversee that (NCAA). You posting the same crap 100 times on a U12 girls blog isn't going to change anything. I guess that is lost on you.
"I think the greater lure might be the chance to train with and be coached by college coaches as a youth player in club ball."Agreed. Lots of clubs do this. What rule did PDA break by having college coaches as trainers?
I, for one, am disgusted by the Rutgers/PDA dynasty and their blatant disregard for NCAA rules simply for the sake of perennial domination of women's college soccer. I ask...no I DEMAND that Rutgers do the right thing and forfeit all of their NCAA Championships since this all began. What? They haven't won anything? Well, surely they've at least played for a National Championship? No? Final Four? Still no? What? They can't even win their conference? Hmmm. Ok, as you were....
I think we coordinate a full out sting operation and round up all the culprits tonight while they sleep and dream of National Championships. Who is with me? 9:22 Are you available tonight? If not, let us know a few dates that work for you where you are available to conduct the midnight home raids. I am sure you want to be there and see their faces when they are awoken from their slumber and you can lay it on them. It will be rewarding for you to face the accused.
So this is about a parent who is upset their kid didn't get recruited or get to play at Rutgers and is pissed off at PDA because they think the only way to play at Rutgers is to play at PDA. Rutgers recruits players they need regardless of affiliation. If Rutgers was so so so pro-PDA why is a member of their incoming class from Match Fit? Rutgers also has players coming in from PA Rush and Atlanta Fire. Their PDA players are from various teams .... and they are not all from the "A" team as well. Fact is, if your kid is good enough, Rutgers would look at them and then decide if your kid could fill a future void created by a graduating player. Your kid could always walk-on if you insist your kid play at Rutgers.
To further your point, 11:30, and to essentially echo what 10:26 said, if you're daughter was really good enough, she wouldn't be considering Rutgers, either. If my daughter is going to play college soccer for a non-championship caliber program, there are far better colleges and universities I'd hope for her to attend. Even if the goal was for her to stay somewhat close to home.
2 choices to get rutgers and pda in compliance:1 -remove players living more than 50 mile radius from rutgers from U15-U18 pda girls teams coached by 3 rutgers coaches employed by pda club.or2 - Discontinue pda club's use of rutgers coaches as PDA coaching/training staff.All the excuses about how many pda players rutgers recruits and how good rutgers womens program is, etc. in previous posts has nothing to do with the point being made about being in violation of ncaa rules and getting into compliance.
...and once the said players are removed from the roster that will open up a spot for Sally. If that is the way you want her to "earn" the spot, then more power to you (and her). Good luck to you on your pursuit.
PDA is, and has been, in compliance.
I was thinking the same about Rutgers.Really what's so great about it?The dorms are completely disgusting.Campus is nothing great.Not a very well known college degree for anyone willing to take there degree outside of Jersey.I wouldn't be jumping on a team just because it's coached but the Rutgers coach.Notre Dame,Cornell,Yale.Or even locally like Saint Josephs.Yes now you are talking.But seriously Rutgers?I think not.
Does anyone know what U13 Girls teams will be playing FC Stars on Labor Day?
Yes, we will be there, excited?
Wait, was that a soccer question related to U13 girls? What is that doing on this blog? Are you going to be driving more than 50 miles away from Rutgers to get to this tournament? How far will that be from PDA?
11:41 - which PDA teams have players beyond the 50 mile radius?
comparing aa 20 year old league to that of a 200 year old league doesn't make sense. Making comparisons of a nation's soccer development to that of the success of their domestic league says you might not really know what you are talking about. Let's look at Serie A (Italy), La Liga (Spain), Bundesliga (Germany) and the Premier League (England). Probably the 4 best leagues in the world. Out of these four countries, how many made it out of the group stage of the last World Cup?
Just need to look at the rosters of the U15-U18 teams that have any interaction(coaching/training/etc) with the 3 rutgers coaches on pda staff and see if they have any players roster who live below southern ocean county or out of state..If they are indeed in compliance then PDA could easily produce the evidence and it would be easy enough to confirm that the home towns listed were accurate.
As predicted 50MFer is posting (1:23) and then answering his own posts (1:41). Hopefully we are nearing the end now :).
FC Stars accepted teams will be announced July 30
Based on past results, known player movement here is my stab at opening top 10 for u13 girls soccer in NJ:1- NJX2- Matchfit 3- PDA Storm4- NJ Wildcats5- PDA Ajax6- SJEB7- PDA Dragons8- Crush9- NJSA Galaxy10- Morris STAAny of the top 5 are interchangeable & I would not be surprised if any of those teams make it to #1 by end of Spring/2015 (in NJX's case stay as #1). Bigger drop after that from 6-10. Thoughts?
Rutgers has not won anything and their program is not in the top tier of women's soccer.So what's the fuss about?Sounds like disgruntled parents.- Keep it moving.
Nice bait, 5:02Pass.
Not only that, 5:06, but there will be staff turnover now that Rutgers is Big Ten. May be a moot point soon
5:06 continue to miss the point.Cheating is cheating, there are no degrees of integrity.Arguing about how big an impact the rule breaking is making is beside the point.
just curious why is NJX #1?PDA Pre Ecnl added many players to improve rosterMatch Fit Pre Ecnl as well added many players including GFA girlWould like to hear your feedback, you must have some inside information.
What is the rationale for rating SJEB so high?
Because that is what team his/her daughter plays on.
5:02 I will play along but first we have to get the team names right and this is NJ only?1, Match Fit NE NPL2. Match Fit Pre ECNL3. PDA Pre-ECNL4. NJ Wildcats5. PDA South NE NPL6. PDA North NE NPL7. NJ Crush Tsunami NPL8. STA Morris United NPL9. Atlantic United Academy10. Rage FC Premier FreedomNY1. World Class Pre-ECNL2. East Meadow Pre-Ecnl3. Albertson Fury Pre-ECNL4. NY Soccer Club5. Sachem Speed6. Atletico 7. ISA NPL8. QuickStrike NPL9. Massapequa NPL10. SI HotshotsPA1. PennFusion Pre-ECNL2. PennLegacy Black3. FC Revolution Force4. PA Classics Academy5. Ukranian Nationals Black6. YMS Banshees7. Rage Athletica8. 1776 United Extremes9. LDC United Attack10. Lehigh Valley United 01NJ and NY are Club Soccer states ECNL/NPL.While NJ and NY seem to be merging to make Super Clubs - PA still believes in spreading the wealth it looks liek and is USYSA State.
5:27Because NJX won the last State Cup
5:16, thank you so much for the lecture on black and white ethics. I'll be sure to follow closely behind you every time you take the wheel of your car to ensure that you never travel even 1mph over the speed limit because, you know, there are no degrees of integrity. If you're in violation of the rules of motor vehicle operation, regardless of how fast you were going or what limited danger you posed to yourself or those around you, we're going to need to make sure the authorities are alerted.
I'm 1:23 but not 1:41. If someone is going to repeat ad nauseaum the accusation that PDA has prospective student athletes on teams coached by Rutgers coaches that are more than 50 mile radius beyond the Rutgers campus, I'd like him or her to post more see more specific information. Give specifics 1:41. Which teams are they? No need to say player names or numbers. Geographical location is good enou
Why are you encouraging? It is never going to go away from this blog.
I can understand why matchfit NPl is ranked #1.I dont understand how the Matchfit pre ecnl teams gets to be #2.Nothing in their record indicates that they would be #2.At this point it looks like the Matchfit NPL team is better than the matchfit ECNL team.PDA # 2 and Wildcats Number #3,Then I would say Matchfit ECNL. @ #4Matchfit ECNL parents always like to bolster their club.
I'll explain.The team he listed as Match Fit pre ECNL is last year's Match Fit BLACK team that played up at U13 NPL and went to NC.The team he calls Match Fit NPL is actually NJX.
That team got blown away in NC...Now they add slick from igfa,they may not make it till spring....
Ranking these teams is pretty stupid endeavor.The top 2 teams after another year will be PDA and Matchfit.who will be stronger will depend on the better coaching.
Matchfit ecnl team is a good solid team.but both matchfi npl and PDA are a lot stronger.
for a U12 team to make NPL finals is a great accomplishment. Getting blown away? I actually thought they did a good job playing top older teams.ECNL team is the ECNL team for a reason. Match Fit would not make them ECNL if this team is not worth it.
Still 5 teams that could beat each other any daySwapped out Rage for Wildcats. Crush still in that group, Ajax a slight bit below.Will be interesting to see what Rage looks like this year.Top 5 (alphabetical)CRUSHMatch FitNJXPDA StormWildcatsNo denying.
8:14.you are a moron.The top girls on both of these teams will combine. That will be the ecnl team.
I have heard this is untrue.May happen for U14. The true start of ECNLI think the first year NJX affiliates with Match Fit they may wish the girls to stay in their comfort level.Keep the state cup champs together, dont force extra travel, etc.That's the wise way to go
Match Fit will have an excellent pool of players to select from as will Storm combining with Ajax. The MF and PDA combination teams for ECNL could be pretty scary and very competitive. I am not sure how far from Rutgers both teams will be though. Will have to check on that.
No to dad coaches. no to college coaches. yes to red card coaches.
8:47 extra travel?NJX will travel exactly the same as ECNL team.By Spring, 2-3 NJX will be playing with ECNL girls.
Travel to PRACTICE. Should have made that clear, sorry. You could be right about jumps in the spring, especially if NJX doesnt win the Cup in the fall.
5:42 PA ECNL/NPL CFC seems to be the only attempt at forming a super club thru a merger. FC Bucks and PennFusion appear to be nothing more than the A/B teams within their respective clubs. I do think it's only a matter of time before the ECNL clubs look to expand. The interesting thing will be if they expand with satellites or just look to poach teams.
Most pda ajax players cannot be coached by rutgers coaches as they are mostly from south jersey.
Another dead horse beat down
Now this is good stuff! All we need now is fannypack dude to chime in.
Mass tourney going to be a good one over Labor Day weekend. Most of the teams will be nice and fresh with some game time off and just some new training. Should be fun to see where these teams are at. Taking most of summer off with games is the smart thing to do. Keeps them interested and hungry when it all starts back up.
Kind of why the edp thing blew up for this past weekend. Many realized more games just to play games is not really the best thing for the girls.
It is a dead horse... But... The college coaches aren't allowed to hold admin positions either.
Who won the edp game last weekend, I kind of have an idea because I haven't heard any results.
Yes, someone give us scores, and info about the u12 playoff, did Calvert Crew win??
If the wildcats won, it would be all over their website.EDP championship was a joke to begin with at this age.Its teams that have nothing more that gravitate towards this type of stuff.This and more GOT Soccer points
7:27, I totally agree dude.Look for NY and CT to challenge NJ and MA for the top spots, the brackets should be interesting. On a side note, I hope we get to play teams that we have not seen:BreakersMF NPLWildcatsPDA StormHeard those teams are pretty good : )
Why wouldn't 2-3 MF Black players be joining the NPL team by spring? What makes you bloggers think players are going to try to jump to MF Black. From what I am hearing, Black was given the pre ECNL league because that team had tenure with MF. I can't see any players leaving NJX for the Black team by spring. Wishful thinking by many!
They will leave if they are told to join.If not they will stay. its that simple. No one stays on the B team in an ecnl organization. parents are stupid.And my guess, is it would be more like 5 players that will take starting spots right away on the ecnl team.
meant to say "parents aren't stupid"
No B team as of yet.
pre -ecnl team is A teamNPL teams are the B team in the ECNL structure.whichever team wears the ecnl patch is the A team.B team means that this team will not compete in the highest league. they will compete in the npl against all the other B teams of the ECNL clubs.It does not mean at the moment that the match fit npl team is weak. it just means that this npl team is designated for the second level of competition.when it comes time to put together the top team to represent matchfit, it will no doubt be a combo of both these teams. only the best players will play on the ecnl team at u14. The rest will play in npl structure. If you are asked to play in the ECNL, a parent will certainly take them up on the opportunity.
Correct. But that is at u14. It's u13 right now. So the fools who think 2-3 players are going to leave the npl team for the pre ECNL are fooling themselves. If MF wanted it that way, they should have done the change this year. Not fair or right to do that to any of the players on both teams. NJX coach and MF personnel dropped the ball on this one and screwed their better players on NJX. Unless they find a competitive league for them, that team will suffer because of the politics and favoritism.
Pre-ECNL team for MF is not considered the A team!
What teams will be in the NPL league (I believe this may have been posted previous)?
11.29i dont care who the better team is at the moment, i am merely specifying the ecnl.Even if the matchfit NPL team is indeed the better team, they still have to play against other B team competition. In the end it will make no difference who the stronger team is because the better players will chosen to play on the ecnl team. If your daughter is not picked then you will have to either accept the npl for her or find another ecnl team that she may be able to play for at u14.so in the end, it does not matter who is stronger now. All that matters is if your daughter gets chosen to play for top team of the club at u14.
I DO NOT belong to Match Fit, well not yet!I have spoken to DOC regarding my daughter often. He has referred to Pre ECNL as the A team. Did offer her an opportunity to play with this team or play age up with his U14 team. Same packaged GFA girl choose. He mentioned that several players from NPL will most likely play for ECNL as well. DOC is very high on this team, very high and arguably so. He backed it up by saying, this team played up last year and this year in NPL, very pleased with team making NPL finals this year. Our conversation the whole time was selling the North team, on how he believes this team will compete every year for finals.He may provide a different scenario to NJX parents, as a recruit, this is what is being said.
So what package did the GFA player choose since you know so much?
As stated above, GFA will be playing with U14 ECNL and U13 ECNL
Going to be interesting over there. I heard differently. Sounds like some sneaky stuff transpiring.
I was told GFA player went to NJX. Is that not true?
Not sure how else to say it again.GFA girl will be playing with U14 (this is grade appropriate) and U13 Pre ECNL (age appropriate). might play one or 2 games with NJX. Same option I have
"Not sure how to say it"I think you have been misinformed!
Nothing being misinformed personally. GFA parent took this option, I am considering this.What's being misinformed? NJX team will be ECNL team in future?I asked that, a prompt response was current team is ECNL team, along with the best players that come out next year.
NJX Parents banking on their team being ECNL team from sounds of post
Will there even be an IGFA team in the fall? They struggled this Spring and now they lost their "best player"
They will have a team. Training 6 days per week. Double sessions on weekends when there are no games.
Everyone should be careful with what they are being 'sold'. In the end this is a business and one which has proven not to be above the ol "bait 'n switch"... all these DOCs and clubs see and hear is cha-ching......and yes, I am telling you from experience.
I agree, this is why I am doing my diligence.Many findings point to team up North being the foundation. If people research, you will find some interesting things happening for Match Fit and WHO IS BEHIND IT ALL
Dude - NJX isnt taking any Match Fit Black players just occasionally.If you are talking about guesting with NJX on a weekend that MF Black doesnt play.....maybeI could see many MF Black players playing up at U14 ECNL, since they arent any good.And I could see that being tossed as a carrot to the dad that was trying out.
I think in general Match Fit is HOPING a few NJX parents decide to make the ECNL trip while leaving their State Champ team behind.In reality, will this occur? Not so sure - and not what I have heard to date. (Heard MF Black is mostly UNCHANGED)
Who's NJX? ALL I see when I check gotsoccer as the number 1 team in NJ isMATCH FIT ACADEMY FC NORTH EAST NPLNJX is a thing of the past let it go. Once you do that it's simple you have an ECNL team and an NPL team. There is no doubt where the best players will play and that's with the ECNL team where ever it trains or plays it's games.
I'm sure a few NJX players will just head to PDA ECNL if the MF DOC pulls the usual act he always does.
Why don't the (former) MF Black and NJX teams play a home/away match with goal differential to decide who is ECNL and NPL. Any predictions who wins?
If they truly want to put the best team forward for U14 ECNL it should be 4-6 girls from each existing team with 4-6 new girls. Simple. But not necessarily what will happen.......
Because no one cares about which team gets the ECNL team. People care about having the better players all on one team together and competing. Doesn't matter where it comes from. It's just not logical to take a couple of players and add to one team without knowing who is actually better.
NPL only added 1 player to rosterECNL added GFA player along with 4 new players
And for this year, that is fine. All about the training now. Then next year they will know the 12-14 players that will make up the U14 ecnl team and recruit a few more...... GFA kid lives south. Will play with NE NPL team this year. Will she be one of the 14 for U14 ECNl? Who knows.....
Enough with her already, she is a very strong player, no doubt, but she has serious competition, not only from girls on my kids team, but from all the other great teams in the region.We have played the following teams, and this is how I would rank them, if I had to, and apparently I do, have to.1. MFB(We could of beaten them, we just didn't want to)2. PDA AJAX (They got lucky, and it was hot)3. Crush(They paid off the ref., and they cheat)But other than that...
GFA player came to play for NJX I am hearing. Had nothing to do with the Black team.
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