1207 Seriously no good colleges like any of colleges come on like they are coming to watch a team at any other U15 events like Bethesda. At this age schools are targeting U15 players they know already not to come watch a game.
10:25 Cleveland FC is a strong team, beating both Maximus and Loudoun Red at a WAGS. Maximus claimed that Cleveland played older players in both of those games on Saturday and apparently had some type of video or photo evidence. Unclear if WAGS officials made a ruling one way or the other, but Cleveland was allowed to keep their points and play in the semifinals on Sunday. They lost to PAC in semis.
10:25AM, your not the first person to mention the "new Rush team." From what I understand the SJEB Rush 02 Blue team is their National League Team. Under NL you have to have a high percentage of the existing players returning to be able to compete the following year. With the age mandate not sure how that worked out. I here a new coach came in and rebuilt the team from the ground up. Should be interesting to see how they perform in Bethesda.
@ 11:54Interesting in what way? Doesn't appear to be based on a team quality and was just pulled out of a hat.
"Whats TSF doing in the top bracket?"I think you will find out
1:44, I had no idea what national league was but, wow! I looked it up, are these considered the top teams in the nation? Is this league above ECNL, NPL etc? Never knew this existed. The U15 only has 16 girls teams nationwide. From NJ-Ca. But it looks like they only play against each other a few times a year. Can anyone elaborate on this more?
@2:35The National League is comprised of the best teams around the country. Basically, each state does a state cup who ever wins then goes to regionals then on to Nationals. The National League is all the winners from nationals etc. Now, there is a BIG "what if" not all teams play state cup, not all teams that win state cup go to regionals. There is a grey area for sure. But, in the end its great soccer in some cool locations, NC, Florida, Las Vegas etc.... Take it for what it is.... There is no perfect league. The only top league in the nation has one team. USNWT from U14 on and they play around the world. Every person on this blog would give their right arm to have his or her child on the US National Team. Thats the top level.
2:35 - Oh my. You could be opening up a can of worms with that one. I guess it's who you ask which is the top league in soccer. ECNL especially in the older groups seems to have the most votes. Nat'l League is very good, too. NPL I guess it depends on the region (as some are saturated by ECNL). It's where ever your child finds a good fit.
2:35 - As discussed many times on this board (just scroll back in time), NL is a USYSA league not necessarily above, below, or alongside ECNL, NPL, etc. It is a league composed of qualifying teams that for the most part earned entrance to the league based on their previous year's performance in the USYSA region leagues and regional and national championships. Teams must continue to qualify and retain a minimum player continuity year after year to remain in the league. This year's U15 teams qualified based on last year's U13 performance and each team is comprised of approximately 70% of the players that were with the team last year. Some teams have more, some have less. SJEB Rush Blue has approximately 66% continuity from last year.
National league seems to be a great semi replacement for ecnl where there is no access to ecnl in the region. If there was no ecnl team within a reasonable distance from me I would look for a national league team. But no guarantee of being a national league team 2 years down the road. Its an annual qualify.
10:21 -Interesting. Do you really think that if offered the opportunity to play DA, many kids will opt out for high school? Not wanting to open this can of worms, but a lot of high school programs are rec league level at best with horrible refs, bad fields, overzealous coaches that over schedule and over practice the kids without any down time and encourage thuggery instead of soccer, and many on the team that think they should be playing more than they should (and mommy and daddy call the school to complain). Any kid who wants to play competitive soccer in college won't turn down a spot on the DA for this.
3:52. This may piss people off but as far as new jersey goes I do think some obvious DA kids will opt to play high school. New Jersey has a very parochial attitude toward sports. Germinating from the town system they are clingy to this grass roots system with 1 macro club pda, 2 semi macro wc/mf and 10 smaller clubs npl/edp. When you look at nj vs southern cal we will never compete with these teams until we have 3-4 macro clubs and no more micro clubs. More to the point I think parents overweight the high school experience vs the risk of injury due to thuggery. So I do think kids at the margin and a few top top will play high school.
The horrible thing about National League is qualifying for it yearly, if the team doesn't qualify or is on the verge of not qualifying for it because they lost in state cup or regional qualifying then many players start to move on to a next best club the following year. no need to stay with a team that no longer has any exposure especially when recruiting years are starting up. Just look at the 2001's NL teams there are currently 6 of them.
Depends on the HS.But I would think most that try out for DA have the intention of playing DA only, with some exceptions of course.
3:52 - Most of the PAE Region I kids play, or will play, in the highly competitive District I and District III of the Pennsylvania Interscholastic Athletic Association (PIAA) where the level of play is actually quite good, even if the officiating is not. Several of the schools from these two districts have been nationally ranked at one time or another this year. Many have also developed strong soccer traditions, which adds to the social element. I see few of the 2002s and older going DA. The good ones don't need it. If they are DA caliber, whatever that may be, they are already on the college radars. The 2003s probably have the toughest decision to make. If they know that they will not be varsity the first year or two (a handful of the schools have few freshman and sophomores playing), then they will likely go DA, if logistically possible (e.g. its a long drive from North Union to PAC, although it has been done). The 2004s and younger have a little time to see how things develop. Bottom line, 2003 and up, I do not see the best of best going DA.
Interesting point. But, I disagree. DA isn't only about college commitment. DA is about staying top in the game and competing against the best. I know several committed kids that are not doing high school and opting into the DA, if applicable (probably will be), because they are going to competitive programs and want to play in college and not just be on the roster. As this is all hypothetical currently, who knows what the DA will allow as far as high school participation, it will be interesting to see how it all plays out.
I hearing DA's will not hold open tryouts to outside players not in the club but a player application will be asked to be filled out and several questions like (Training Center(Yes/No), ODP Region1(Yes/No), current club and current league play and so on. This will help narrow down the population search for players. Those players selected will be called into sessions or a small tryouts with internally selected players. This is coming from rumors and hints.
I heard that you have to be blond and blue-eyed, just saying...sorry.
Thank you. Makes sense. When will selections occur?
Obviously my above post is to 6:23 not the 6:36 (creepy) post.
Like I said if you are not ntc reg1 id2 or ecnl minimum your kid is very low probability. Not impossible but all the kids will be scouted and hand picked imho. The other way would be if a club coach makes a call for a kid. I think pda/pf will be like this wc/njcsa will be a tier below and esier.
4:18 - I know kids that play in the Independent/private school leagues in PA and NJ. They can be quite good too depending on the teams. And, several teams in those leagues over the years have been nationally ranked as well and have produced a few Sr. NT players and current NWSL players. However, I don't think if they had the opportunity of playing DA and continuing to up their game, that they would play high school. I'm including the committed older kids too. I guess it has to do with what you want to do with your game and where you see yourself going.
12:52 - Concur, and among the Region I's listed above there are a few from the independent/private schools around Philly.
OK, now that SJEB Rush has gone public with an email blast advertising roster openings (many may have received the message this morning), inquiring minds want to know what's going on and questions are fair game. SJEB Rush Blue advertising for a GK, but GotSoccer shows three on the roster, two of which have the same jersey number. Didn't think there'd be an issue there. SJEB Rush White looking for field players, but doing well in EDP. Still no roster publicly available for this team. Hmmm.
917 Why are you so obsessed with the club and teams. Just focus on your own daughter and her team. Just a word of advice.
Maybe he wants to know if there are spots on a good team or if they are propping up the white team with blue players to get them points to fill roster spots to make more $$$$. I think all questions are fair.
I think 10:33 has a good point. If SJEB Rush is reaching out to players through a contact list to advertise positions, then a player/parent should want to be informed about the situation before responding to the advertisement. Certainly, the first source of information should be the club itself, but outside information can help paint a fuller picture. Such due diligence is an appropriate focus on ones own daughter and good advice.
You can do all the due diligence you want there is always something behind the curtain that will surprise you. The only due diligence and fact I do is which club has provided girls the best opportunity to play in college bottom line. PDA, Matchfit, NJ Wildcats, FC Copa have all attributed the most players to be recruited to play D1, D2 schools in NJ. So if your daughter is a freshman like mine your focus and questions should not be about a certain team but a clubs historical outcome of giving a girl the opportunity to place in college.
A lot of good info on the u17 blog. Seems like a lot of people on the younger. Logs could learn a lot by reading from the beginning. Should help when choosing a team. With info from people in the process.
Lol Copa and the Wildcats! Maybe D3 schools for them!
The Got Soccer rosters are not always updated correctly or timely. So, while there may be a few keepers listed on that club's GS site, they may no longer be with that particular team (moved up or down depending on age) or just moved on. Go to the try-outs and find out if there is a spot for your child if that is what you want to know; or make a telephone call to the DOC. Good luck.
Youth soccer rankings USA is back up! Some teams not even ranked yet, due to non play in the fall. Some teams have only registered a few games.
If Rush is soliciting players, they're probably looking to expand roster size, which is just a money grab.
Yes, your 100% right Rush needs to add a few more kids to help pay the bills! Rush is the largest soccer program in the world! Over 34,000 players!! Also, please don't forget that sponsor emblem on all the Rush jerseys, little company called Chevrolet. Rush needs money????
Not about needing money about exploiting great success in marginal leagues. Its the old fashioned money grab. No one said they were gonna go broke.
1143 Don't kid yourself, no club will turn away a willing paying parent. They'll always find you somewhere to play. Even though there is a Team Cut presence there is always a no Club Cut policy LOL.Oh 947 feel free to look up NJ wildcats and Copa 2016 graduates last year and where many went to play in college instead of shooting your mouth off.
1248 is correct good outcome for NJ wildcats and FC Copa as they have sent girls to D1 schools. NJ Wildcats Alum: http://www.olsasoccer.com/alumni/index_E.htmlFC Copa Alumni: http://fccopa.com/Page.asp?n=149001&org=FCCOPA.COM
Any thoughts on Bethesda? Difficult to count anyone out in the top bracket.
11:10 - As expected, YSRs look pretty accurate based on games played so far. Certainly more accurate than GS. Those looking for Bethesda predictions, look to YSRs to make your call and develop your over-unders.
Looked at copa/cats colleges. Really makes ecnl look like the only path for too colleges with stallions second tier between ecnl and copa/cats. One unc girl from cats must have been superb though.
Looked at Copa. If education is your goal, it seems that a significant number of its alums are attending some pretty good schools and getting the chance to continue their playing days as student-athletes in the truest sense of the term. For some, its better to enjoy soccer as an avocation in college rather than an occupation in college. It depends on whether you want to be a student-athlete or an athlete-student. Priorities.
YSR not accurate at all, Gotsoccer is by far a better gauge of games played, and against who. YSR is similar to TopDrawer, who are nothing more than an ECNL port-o-potty.
Current Top Ten in Region I by GS:SJEB Rush BlueNJ Rush GreyNorth UnitedArsenal Premier MaximusSouth Shore SelectTSF AcademyPipelineLVUNYSC EliteOakwoodCurrent Top Ten in Region I by YSRsPipelineNorth UnitedSJEB Rush WhitePACHMMSBethesda ECNLLoudonArsenal Premier MaximusReading RageFCVA ECNL
You are really insulting your own intelligence. Rush blue pda match fit have not played 10 games. Until you play 10 games there is not enough data to have a ranking. Both got soccer and tds are completely biased systems. Ysr actually takes a mathematical approach to compare teams. Maybe you should try to understand it before you knock it down. It was very good with the old data set and will be more and more accurate going forward.
Yeah I looked up Copa and Cats college placement. Mediocre colleges at best. Match fit and PDA are the place to be for college placementthat is a fact. I will assume your a Copa parent drinking Roberto's coolaid. Lets see how Copa teams do in CASL! Every club will occasionally have a lucky hit or two by the way, doesn't make them a top tier college placement club.
As far as the rankings go now, no one will know honestly where these teams are until the spring. Yeah we will have a general idea with the upcoming tournaments such as CASL-PA Classics etc, but these will only be a beginning guide. Plus, PDA-Matchfit do not chase points byentering every tournament possible and sometimes not even state cups. Can't wait for CASL and these tournaments to shut some of thesePeople up!
Do not chase points? Since when is playing games chasing points?Okay so if a team plays 12 games this fall vs 6 that's somehow a bad thing?So playing in 4 tournaments vs 2 is a bad thing because you gave your kid 2 extra showcase events? I thought we were all about placement?So isn't it better for a team to play more events to give plays more looks?But somehow you guys turn it into a negative - chasing points.Teams play their ECNL, NL, NPL, ERL, NCS and USClub state cups games that's all that matters to them everything is a showcase for the players 1-18 to get as many looks as they can because we all know not every game is a good game but shame on them for giving more chances and chasing those points. You are so right PDA-MatchFit have the formula correct much better to play less games.
Your right! Playing in the DTS kick off or the Surf Taco challenge will get you some great looks by some top college scouts and coaches! Keep chasing those Got Soccer points!
8:41 Your assumption is that all teams play at the same level and all players are equal in speed, size, skill and soccer IQ. You don't really believe that do you? For some teams playing the DST Kick off and Surf taco challenge might be the appropriate level giving their players what they need not what you think they need. Must really burn you to see teams with more points than your kid's team. Why? They will keep chasing and the kids will play in college 1st team or club while you will keep paying for less games just to post on a blog that your kid is in the right place to get into the schools you think are tops, that's my assumption.
OMG I love the Surf Taco.
10:36 got soccer points are not getting your kid in college. You have got it all wrong. Yo need to play less games and train more. I would rather play 10 quality games against good opponents a season than 10 edp games and 12 4-5 games in 2 day tournaments. Those tournaments put more pressure on a teams depth and endurance than skill and tacticsl awareness. And yes you can game the system to chase points. Which is often what happens.
9:34 I agree teams and leagues can game the system to award max points. Not my argument. All I am saying is that by playing i 2 extra showcase events those teams give their kids 2x a better chance to play for a school. You seem to understand everything and how it works. How many times do you think a college coach will look at a player? That first time it's either Yes (then a 2nd coach will get a look) or No. What happens with all that extra training and those less games when the kid gets an audience and they don't have a good game? They get crossed off the list and they are done and so is the season. All I am saying and yes by playing more you get more GS points if that's what floats your boat you have more opportunities to have a good game that gets you the Yes and the 2nd look. Level of program well that'sup to the kid and where they want to go.
As Bad Religion says: quantity or quality a choice youll have to make.
What if you have quality training and quantity games? what then?
WARNING – Speaking of those EDP games, please hold on just a little bit longer. EDP League is almost over. Most teams have completed their schedules. It’s all over in the North with Arsenal going undefeated to win the division. It’s also over in the Central with SJEB Rush White going undefeated to win the division. There is still some action in the South. North United completed its schedule with just one blemish being that of a draw with Pipeline. Pipeline sits in second a game back of North United as it waits to complete its schedule when it hosts HMMS in two weeks. The only Pipeline blemish is the draw against North United. HMMS was upset and blanked by Calvert, 2-0, on Saturday, but came back on Sunday to defeat Arundel, 4-1. HMMS will finish in third, but could play the spoiler if it can beat Pipeline in two weeks. Of course, in the meantime, there is Bethesda, where Pipeline and North United are grouped together in the top flight for a rematch.
948 And your point is!
9:48 must love AAA baseball.
WARNING: EDP Fall Season at U15 is irrelevant and does not mean anything except for GS points.
Its not irrelevant, especially if your daughters team has to play one of them soon. They have all been playing now, and you have NOT, do you get my drift?
Am I missing something here? What 2002 teams have been playing?
12:27 Any 2002's born in the later part of the year still in 8th grade are most likely the ones playing. 12:20 I guess playing HS doesn't account for playing? Especially if they are playing Varsity and headed into NY or NJ playoffs. Get my drift!
If you're any player born in the year 2002 regardless of what grade you're in you haven't been playing club. Just starting up now with hs finishing
Many 2002 teams have been playing. Looking at the top flight of the upcoming Bethesda tournament; Cleveland, North United, PAC, and Pipeline each have played over 10 games this fall, and thus have a YSR. In the Bethesda second flight, HMMS and Loudon have over 10 games played.
1244 Your clueless just because you were born 2002 does not mean you have not been playing this fall. This past fall season is driven by the grade. Yeah I'll let me 8th grade daughter born 2002 do nothing all fall, while Freshman play HS. I hope you do your research before you post.
C'mon people, you ought to know by now that nothing else matters but ECNL, and NE ECNL 2002s have not been playing, so therefore, no 2002s have been playing. Now, that logic begins to fail when you look at MA ECNL 2002s and so on and so forth.
Um! ECNL 2002 players that are in 8th grade have been playing there schedule is on the Northeast NPL site under U15 Friendly's they don't tend to log scores since they are friendly's but they have been playing and training. PDA North played FC Boston last Sunday and Yes all these players are 8th graders that are 2002. Again do your due diligence people. http://nplnortheastgirls.demosphere.com/schedules/2016-2017/84575090.html?1478543437
Go NYSC! P.S. We don’t use the Elite prefix, we were already elite, no need to rub it in, silly.
135 You didn't get me all tizzy. Just trying to squash people that do not understand and did not do there due diligence. As 1:34 explained ECNL clubs have been playing 8th grade 2002's in friendly's per the link that was given. As for EDP it's combination of teams that just moved up and skipped U14 or a mix bag of players born 2002 in 8th grade. If you were on a team this past fall in EDP or ECNL/NPL Friendly's at U15 you were either one of two things 03 8th grader playing a year up or 02 in 8th grade. No HS players played this fall is what I heard unless they bypassed HS play.
Maybe not, but it has been doneLast year's u14 crop had some freshmen and they played fall club
2:22 - You heard wrong. Do your due diligence.
Pretty simple folks.Many 02 teams are close to 50/50 8th and 9th grade. Each club decided whether they wanted to play a league or not depending on their roster and HS soccer.All done. Stop making blanket statements for either side. Facts matter.
@5:59AM You're 100% correct. My daughters team opted out of playing any official fall games and just trained and trained and trained. But, they did play about 8 "friendlies" with other strong teams. Many teams are heading to Maryland on Friday, GotSoccer says they did not play games this Fall, well guess again. The top level U15's are coming in ready to play. Going to be some great soccer played with weekend! I hope! Oh and one more thing Hillary hates soccer so Vote Trump!!
8:12 My daughters team only started practicing 2 weeks ago, and we have not had 1 scrimmage, and we are still better than you guys. Go Keane!!
Looking forward to this weekend in MD as well. Everything kicks into gear (especially this blog) from here through the spring. Not a lot of league games but tourneys will give a gauge where teams are and heading into the spring.
Excited to be in Maryland this weekend too. Disappointed that 8:12AM's daughters team will win everything. I guess practice truly does not payoff. Regardless, weather looks good.
Agree with Bethesda, thank God! Rough HS season, politics, bad play with most HS coaches and players. Best of luck to my daughters team mates still playing in HS for states btw. We practiced once per week and scrimmaged a couple of times. Besides that after playing 60-80 minutes, or training for 2 hours in HS how can you realistically do much. I think playing a light schedule is not bad in fall. Perhaps Columbus day tournament. Weather looks sunny, but cold on Saturday, Sunday even nicer for an afternoon final. And I think we are all in tri-state so MD is not far. See you in DC. New President either way remember.
The big question of the day if Trump becomes president does he kick out all the soccer coaches born outside the country, maybe soccer in America can revamp and create there own identify with naturally born and compassionate citizens v greedy need more money foreigners. LOL
If they're illegal, they should be kicked outSIMPLE
I thought parents paid extra for the accent.
They pay extra for accent and unrealistic promises and dreams for 99% of girls, but we as parents are crazy enough to shell out our funds and time for them. lolAfter looking at the upcoming HS playoffs there is a ton of talent not associated with high profile clubs or foreign coaches.
FOX news reports best thing happening this week in DC and DC suburbs is the Bethesda Premier Cup.
I wonder how manny taxes they pay when asking for cash and checks made out to their name...
841 Oh come on nobody pays taxes on cash transactions or even checks. lolAll those extra camps these coaches run on a side goes right into there pockets trust me.
6:15 - After last night, the Bethesda Tournament will be the only thing left in the DC Suburbs. Everyone else from that area will have fled to Canada.
I guess there will be a lot of club coaching positions opening up in the next year after Donny puts in place his immigration laws.
117 - PDA doesn't have many foreign coaches mostly American and college coaches are mainly American so your statement "Foreign Soccer Coaches are better than American soccer coaches 90% of the time" is not truthful.
I agree that 90% is high but disagree that pda has the best trainers and that college coaches are good trainers. Their job is to win with a group of all stars vs making each individual player. PDA may have the highest avg level but there are some out there that are bbetter than any at PDA.
My brothers and sisters. The head coach for Rutgers is U15 PDA ECNL coach.
He also owns PDA! Wait its a non profit so he is director! One of the biggest jokes in New Jersey.
Many ECNL coaches are college coaches or assist I some fashion with colleges. also let me guess there are better foreign coaches for Basketball, Football, Field hockey, Lacrosse, as well. The only reason there are so many foreign coaches in America is not because they are better it's just the demand is high at the youth levels. That's starting to change as more kids are involved in the sport and will grow up teach it here.
So wait....college coaches are better than guys that mostly played some level of pro in europe. Most college coaches suck dude. Not all but most. Theres a reason that the u15 and younger will have the best skill of any american generation. Its because they have had these coaches since u8. Not saying only foreign coaches but coaches that have shifted to the individual development model. But most are from europe or lat am. Americans from recent generations suck at soccer skills so how could they possibly teach it?
What about some of the greatest football and basketball college and pro coaches that never played the game, or at a high level? Do they suck too you moron. Would love to see your skinny little ass on a real American field or court. Rolling around on tne ground and crying doesn't fly either.
Haha funny guy. I played D1 football pac-10 running back. I played soccer in hs as well as tennis and basketball. I could coach any of those besides soccer. It is a much more complex game that we had no access to in this country. Thats why its a good world cup if we make it to the elimination round. You show you know nothing about the game dude.
How do u play tennis and football in same season? Sure you did. Soccer is not our sport and our best althetes all play other sports. Soccer is more complicated to coach then football? Really? Why, because you have to sub twice in a game and pick one formation the whole game. Oh, and that offsides rule is a tough one. Go home.
Where i grew up maybe soccer/tennis=spring sport. But thanks for your engaging info.
Can we move on from this subject. No foreign coaches will be deported unless they do something like attack your daughter. And if that happens the US will not have time to deport since a soccer dad will have already ripped the guys head off. The dynamic of a "Soccer Dad" should be taught in a sociology class. You see it on the sideline every weekend. These are fathers who do not sit during games, they have a chair but its in the SUV they bought for soccer travel. They pace back and fourth usually in some sort of soccer attire, black adidas warm-ups etc, and rocking a turf shoe of either nike or adidas. If you're in Bethesda this weekend they will be out in full force. Keep an eye out. Not hard to find. Perhaps engage in a conversation, favorite subject, their daughter and soccer. Beware though, soccer dads roam in packs, where there is one more are close by. And if your a college coach thats when the attack comes. Not from the front, but from the side where the other two soccer dads were that you didn't know were there! (Jurassic Park Theme) You have to laugh and have fun!! Safe travels to all who are traveling for soccer this weekend...
8:25. I believe you are missing the point. Soccer is a creative game based on loose sets and dependent on a multitude of skills. Football is a choreographed game with a lower specified skill barrier. Take a phenom athlete at age 16 no experience playing either sport. Where will he do better. Football.
@9:25AM-You hit it perfectly. You just described half the dads on our team.
9:25 - Keep an eye out for those decals on the highway so you can be sure to steer clear when passing.
Whats with the decals? Good club bad club everyone has decals. Just dont get it.
Please there will be restrictions placed on green cards within the next year. Quarter of the foreign coaches wont qualify or wont be able to renew, you will all see.
Que sera, sera
Football is much harder to coach a game, and that's why a football team has 10 coaches. Soccer is harder to train outside the game IMO. Really two sports that are hard to compare. Basketball and soccer have much more similarities IMO.
I like the crying comment. Can we pay extra to have our kids train to fall down and cry? That's the biggest reason why most guys in this country hate the sport and why the girls like the boys who play other sports more. Thank god we don't have to pay extra for that training...
Ever try coaching croquet? It certainly takes balls, and has its share of hoop dreams too.
Abby, hope, Mia and Morgan? I can't believe they got as far as they did without the help of our friends. Or just maybe, they are really good athletes.
This has become a waste of space can we please get back on track? Who has bethesda predictions?
Crush will win it all.
Soccer Nut where have you been? Who do you think is taking the top two brackets at Bethesda? With the change to birth year this weekend will be interesting
I’m not Soccer Nut, but I act like one, when I watch my kid play. I think that Bethesda is over-rated, too far to drive, and the food sucks. The more important Tourneys coming up are NEWSS and Disney, just in case you were wondering.P.S. Watch-Out for those nasty rural speed-camera’s, they really suck, about a month later.oh, and the drunk and now politically-giddy Penn. Mom’s, may God have mercy on us all...
Newss schedule has been coming soon for a long time now.......no accepted list...
Bethesda Prediction, Top Flight Final: Pipeline over PF, 2-1.
Not true 9:54, we have been accepted, and that's the only list you should care about...
I am not worried about being accepted but I would like to know what teams we could play and which fields. Happy you were accepted.
Pipeline over Rush blue. Aggressive call. Hope you are right. They need a reality check.
The U15, sorry 15U teams will be playing in the Stony Brook U. area, so north central LI, I would book a room if you wish in that general area, that’s what we did...
Wildcats Averbuch tie Penn Fusion 0 to 0 and beat Albertson ecnl 3 to 2
Pipeline scores off corner in last 5 minutes against PAC 1-0. Blows away North United PAW 4-1.
From the Bethesda U15 Freedom Flight...WORLD CLASS - SCP FC WORLD CLASS - SCP EDP NPL (FORMERLY MATCH FIT) What a tool. Isn't this a actually fraud? Deceiving another party in order to gain some benefit for you? I wonder if the real powers to be at WC are yet regretting the decision on bringing this guy in.
Hey 9:36 glad to see you're back. At least it wasn't about daddy coach. Whatcha mean about EDP team being formally Much Fraud? Expand
Rush blue. Say it aint so. Is the dynasty over?
Pipeline prediction fairly accurate, but too much credit given to PF.
Penn Fusion ECNL couldnt score a single goal against NJ Wildcats or Cleveland? Gonna be a long year!
Pipeline's only big win was against North United who just a little over a month ago tied them in an EDP game. Anyone know what happened in that game Saturday? All other games were very tight in the top division. Good job by Bethesda in placing these teams.
Reality for many teams like North United and Rush is they are now competing with last year's U14 teams like PA Classics, and NJ Wildcats. These teams have all there older players back from HS now, and the shift of top teams will be changing. One take out of Bethesda is no ECNL or future DA teams won there brackets or dominated play. Shows there is still alot of talent that are not in those types of clubs.
Isn't this a showcase tournament? So, it's about getting the kids time in front of coaches not about winning. Having kids in older groups, I have found that U14/U15 is the last age group before the girls start to mature and that is when the separation starts to begin.
Pipeline seems to find a way to get the W but 3 of 4 games were only by a goal. Won't be long til teams start geling and overtake Pipeline. They rely too much on one player. If you've seen them play you know who that is.
I would be patient to see how teams play out. Many teams down in Bethesda played over 15 games together already. Certain states play HS in Spring. There were several teams that played there first games this past weekend, like PA, NY, NJ teams.
I think you will see that the u13 teams that did not add a significant number of u14 kids are going to struggle mightily and become second tier teams.
1102 NO it was not a showcase style tournament only U16 and above had showcase schedules. Patient for what, remember we got a little over 4 months until Girls DA start tryouts or identification sessions. So no parent should be sitting back and being patient as wonder if they should go or are there any players on the squad are going.
7:40 - Bingo on both counts. The savvy soccer consumer has already started window shopping for next year and few may already be trying teams on for size. There will be an after Christmas rush to get in on training sessions.
Patient on NJ, NY and PA teams. Many teams only played their first games.
11:40 go right ahead and be patient and worry about winning - let's see how many players around your daughter's team start showing up at GDA clubs for sessions. I think someone said it a few weeks ago to see how the future DA teams perform at Bethesda to see gauge where to greatest turnover will be.
PF is part of DA, and I will be patient. Players are unfamiliar with each other.
1:03 I doubt it! There will be a lot of animosity and no chemistry among future DA teams at PDA/World Class/Cedar Stars/Penn Fusion. Knowing only three quarters of the U15 team will make the DA squad come end of spring. So unless your in the top 25% of the team you'll be patient but for the other 75% it's a waiting game on who will join the select DA players from the 01's. Good luck being patient!
3/4 of the ecnl will make DA? Thats assuming 100% of da will come from that ecnl squad. I dont believe that. 1/3 to half i would think esp because they are in the down year.
That is what 117 is saying expect only 25% of the team to make DA since 2002 is the down year and 2001 will make most of the DA roster. So girls will stay unfamiliar with each other due to everyone wanting those slots.
Just remember, both ECNL teams in top bracket, lost or tied both matches on Saturday, to non-ECNL teams. so when running and driving and paying thousands to be on ECNL, wouldn't you rather be on the team that beats those teams? Really think about that. So you are on Cleveland or Wildcats, and coaches watching because top bracket and playing against ECNL. Those are true champions, sorry. And then in Casl they have ecnl brackets only, that is craziest thing I have ever seen. We are non-ecnl and have beaten and tied a few ecnl teams.
IF DA teams look like current club teams, then USSF will have a bigger credibility problem than it already has.
PF players are "unfamiliar with each other". You need a better excuse than that. That team is essentially two groups of players, each of which have been playing together for awhile, and there is much familiarity between the two groups through ODP and past teams.
To clarify. 24 kids will make up01-02 da. I would think 16-8 01/02 ratio maybe its 10 maybe its 6. Then to assume no outsiders is a bad assumption. So assume 75/25 internal vs external so then 6 current 02 ecnl will be DA.
312 totally agree there is just as much exposure being a top team playing top brackets than being on a ECNL/DA team. It was already brought up the committed the NJ wildcats have had from past teams. What's bad is World Class, PF, and Cedar Stars all future DA teams got outperformed by non-ECNL/DA teams.
trust me, the DA will have many problems. As for ECNL costing more, BS, all these elite teams and clubs cost just as much, if not more. Most of them travel twice as much too.
Another big question will the girls that have already verbally committed to play college which most likely many will by end of spring still choose to go DA?
I love that you jump to generalizations about teams their first week of playing. All the ecnl teams rebooted and will need time to gel. Same thing happened with u14. Mf started 0-6-1 next seven games 5-1-1. They need to actually play together. So go ahead and think pf is not going to be really good. Wait til spring.
Here we go the official kickoff of the blog! I give it to next week when the blog hits 5k and caps out until admin deletes older post. Looks as if there are a lot of left over U14 parents from last year on here. Did Slick, PL Dad, Spell Nazi, and Big red move to the 01's or are you still here with the U15's?
Some of the old crew are with the U15s, just no longer in a position to be as outspoken.
If "all the ecnl teams rebooted", how does that jibe with ECNL clubs developing their players? Or, is development just jive?
NEWSS SHOWCASE REDALBERTSON FURY '02 (NYE)OAKWOOD SC (CT)TSF ACADEMY 2002G (NJ)NEW YORK SC ELITE G02 SKY (NYE) MASSAPEQUA NPL LIL' ROWDIES (NYE)YANKEE UNITED F.C. BLAST NPL-02 (CT)CHERRY HILL FC DESTROYERS '02 (NJ)MATCH FIT ACADEMY FC 2002 ECNL (NJ)
Thanks. Is there a newss link yet?
As a large number of the ECNL teams already play the DA style and speed of play for soccer, I would think that most kids on each picked DA squad will come from the ECNL. What does Vegas think? lol
3:53 - didn't those teams draw? How is that outperformed? And some of those ECNL teams did get a complete makeover from the prior year. What matters is how they develop and perform as they get older. Check those brackets. There is a reason that some colleges really focus on recruiting ECNL kids. And, it is why some kids play both USYS and ECNL as a discovery player. Having older kids, too, that is what I learned. However, if you and your child are happy and developing where ever you are playing, that is what is most important.
3:55 - I guess it depends on the college and the expectation of that coach on the player as far as development. As there are only a few slots available, even some verbally college committed kids won't make it. As a U15, there aren't many of those, though.
ECNL style? Haha, they all play elite level high school style. Hold the ball in the midfield, and make long passes to their super-fast forward, usually one per team, and guess what, they win that way. The sad part of this tale, is that is exactly the style most colleges play as well. That is the reason we are falling behind the rest of the world, the beautiful game is simply not played here.
There are a handful of really good kids out there an njcsa doesnt have ecnl. I like my odds 3:1 ecnl:non. Will stick by that. PDA gonna be very stacked and tough to make. I could also see mf and wc girls go to pda. So even pda may only have 6-8 home players on next year da. Also njcsa will draw a lot from the shore where no ecnl exists.
P.S. Speed-of-Play is an ECNL cover-code for a lack of elite technical skill, deny it if you wish, but you know it's true.
7:36. There are some ecnl kids with elite technical onthe ball skill as well as very high soccer iq. Then you have the elite athlete set with developing technical skill. And lastly you have the solid technical decent athletes. But you do have some kids that are more technical than most other players around. Those are the ones going to nt camps. Truthfully i have seen very few highly technical players with a very high soccer iq and knowledge of the game. The kind that see 2-3 moves ahead are extremely rare. Of the ones I have seen they are all in the ecnl.
The best players gravitate to ECNL, but there are some equally talented players elsewhere. My daughter's team will kick-off at NEWSS, hope they play strong, we will probably have to go through a couple of ECNL teams to succeed, we wouldn't want it any other way!
NEWSS SHOWCASE WHITELEVITTOWN WILDCATS (NYE)NJ CRUSH FC TSUNAMI NPL (NJ)CESC CALVERT-ELITE '02 (MD)PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY AJAX (NJ)SUSA ISA NPL G02 (NYE)FC COPA ACADEMY G02 BLACK (NJ)STA 2002G NPL (NJ)WORLD CLASS FC '02 NPL (NYE)
Newss link please???
Sorry bro, I can't, you know that, if they find out they will pull.
9:22 do you know when they'll release brackets or schedules? Perhaps the worst admin job I've seen in a tournament in a long time
Scratch that, I found brackets
Can you give a hint to finding them?
Yeah NEWSS is lame, but its our kind of lame next weekend, I don’t pick these things. You can find them at got soccer, someone from my team sent them to me, we are in for a slog, and that is without rain. We have 5-6 outstanding players, I hope coach can spread them around correctly, I can’t make those decisions. Honestly, I pray for 2 things, decent fields, and good health for everyone. Whatever will be, will be, but I know of one player who will bring her pride, her skill, her courage, and her desire to dominate all living things...One team to rule them all...
NYSC guy - are you looking at the academies for your daughter for next season?
I can confirm, and deny, that I am the not, mostly, the NYSC guy. As such, I will answer your question, with a question, because that is annoying, and that is how I roll, for now.Do you think I should????
All teams are new, cannot use as excuse. All teams have mix of 03/02 to continue as 02's. All teams have injuries and rebuilding. who has deepest bench, or what girls and coaches have the will to win, that is the question. Look at PF giving up no goals, great D and keeper work? Sure, of course. You don't think these teams at Bethesda were shooting and trying to score. Of course they were, I hand it to PF giving up NO goals, as well as Cleveland. This is not golf ladies and gentleman, teams should score, but if your D and keeper is solid, how can you lose??
"but if your D and keeper is solid, how can you lose??"Um, that's easy. You have to score to win.
10:32, you are a coaching genius bro, you should be coaching my kid’s team, do you have an English accent?
No ECNL team in U15? Wow this age group is really weak... STA, WC NPL, Copa are in top flight....
NEWSS will be interesting to see how MF and WC perform. Also don't forget about EDP Fall Showcase this weekend.http://events.gotsport.com/events/results.aspx?EventID=54303&Gender=Girls&Age=15
Its wc npl team. Mf and alby the two ecnl teams. Tsf in top bracket? They will get smoked. I pick alby in their division vs massepequa or mf in the other.
Admin can you chop some old chats to keep us going?
Careful re: TSFThey had some solid talent on last year's '01/'02 that stayed down - and their '02/'03 had a nice season as well. Hve to figure the plder girls there - the '02s - contributed.
Alby at least 3 goal favorite to tsf.
NEWS brackets could change? Ajax in 2nd bracket? Cherry Hill in top bracket? really? And MF and Albertson are ECNL teams. Albertson got blown away thouse this past weekend at Bethesda. lost every match, all 3 of them. Lets see how MF fairs, they should win bracket. I like Oakwood also, always. 2nd flight is just hard to look at with top flight not having pda south. WC is always good though, otherwise it looks weak to me.
TSF. So you take the 01/02 9th out of 9 edp then you add in the 02/03 5th in odp. And you think I need to be careful? They are at best a 7th place edp team. Thats a far cry from a decent ecnl team.
Oh well - at least you didnt knock the Li'l Rowdies :)
I dont know, 2:46Describe your daughter's team. Maybe they are teflon.
What is up with CRUSH. Havnt heard or seen much from them. How does the team look and who is coaching them these days?
1233 True haven't heard or seen the Orange Crush Copter around. lolDon't be surprise if DA revamps occur in another few years after the embarrassing loss the Men's team had last night, may come even sooner if they don't qualify for world cup.
Tsf guy. Gonna be a long season. Fasten your seatbelt.
Well, looks like we have lost another good player to the evil empire, which sucks for us. My daughter is pissed, my wife is pissed, my cat too. Its not a surprise, the ship is taking on water, and we’re running out of able-bodied sailors. They are taking a huge gamble going from playing all the minutes, to who knows minutes, since the roster is larger. My cat and I wish them luck, the daughter and wife, not so much.
Pretty sure everyone has left that crush team, usually happens at u13/u14 at tne club. Old coach left after all the better payers moved on.
I think it is World Class, 7:16.They did a great recruiting job this summer/fall - while PDA didnt need to quite as much.
Evil. Maybe. Empire ha. They have been bad for a long time. If any DA clubs will screw it up WC is the one. Their female coaches are terrible. They didnt recruit my daughter though. I guess she sucks.
The Holy Trinity:ECNL=Evil NPL=Good EDP=Purgatory**https://jimmyallenfinalproject.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/purgatory_2.jpg (Kinda looks like Tuckahoe TF)
Anyone know when they'll post schedule for Newss?They win the award for slow admin process
I have to admit as great of software Gotsoccer is, the rankings is all reliant on number of event a team has participated in the past year. Don't get me wrong it does do it's justice with tournament placement assistant, but now looking over the YSR rankings those make much more sense going into birth year change. Does anyone have bad opinions over the YSR rankings vs. GS.
Yes, I do, but that’s because my kids team is ranked lower in YSR, can you blame me?Just noticed something laughable about GS, they just added a Global Ranking, which includes Canada, but the first Canadian team, in Global ranking, does not come up until page 16!!!!!! I will tell my daughter that her team is ranked in the top 25 on the Globe, she will be thrilled.
Just the like the Cubs being World Champions!
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