Tuesday, January 27, 2015

U13G / U13 Girls Youth Soccer

U13G  / U13 Girls youth soccer seems to offer the most teams and the widest diversity of talent.

Where these players will end up is anyone guess.

Welcome to the ride.

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Anonymous said...

The article posted is right on point;

Unfortunately, We do not have the coaches on the youth level to develop the next Marta in this country.

The coaches at these academies with their english accents combined with the old time American way of playing the game, will produce the same player over and over again.

Big girl, Smash mouth, watch me run fast to the ball soccer.

We have parents who support that play from u8 and up. And so called high coaches that do not know how to train any other way.

This what you get for your $2200-$2800 dollars a year.


The English who have their own issues with their game and are desperately trying to change their own system , have unfortunately permeated the US with their teachings... Most of these coaches that are teaching our kids are or were lower level players themselves. They have found a way to come here and make a living.


I am afraid real soccer brilliance will not be found on the girls side. We will continue to have parents yelling in the stands to just get more physical or step to the ball harder.

and arguments about the big, taller, physical athlete with medium skill will be the focus of most coaches and parents to achieve that partial payment for college.









Anonymous said...

11:37 and 11:43 here.
I"m not from PDA.

Anonymous said...

NJ State Cup teams look like they are finalized. Only 2 of the final four from the last "true" state cup (sping 2014) have entered. The defending champions MF NPL (NJX) and semi-finalist, PDA NPL South (Ajax). A little better than the fall but still missing many of the top clubs.

Anonymous said...

Interesting article on how Belgium revamped their youth system.

http://grantland.com/features/world-cup-2014-belgian-national-team-vincent-kompany-eden-hazard-marouane-fellaini/

As to the earlier discussion on size, when two players are of equal ability physically and mentally, coaches will always take the bigger kid. That being said, the technical ability of a smaller player can easily overcome the size of a much bigger player with limited skills.

Anonymous said...

1:49 is on the money. What is it with the big and tall bs. Fast, yes, of MIND and body. Skillful, w/o a doubt. Strong too. Tall? Maybe D1 women's soccer is like NCAA Football, and that's a shame. The top clubs in the EPL are coached by "foreigners" Mourinho, Pellegrini, van Gaal, Wenger, Pochettino, and Koeman. Only Liverpool among the top teams has an English manager and how is that working out. Why the foreigners? To teach some of the most expensive players in the world how to play so they can compete in European play. A team like Man City is littered with "short" guys. Aguero, Silva, Navas, Nasri, all world class players, as well as some big boys like YaYa Toure and Vincent Kompany, also world class. Their being there is based on ability to play at that level period. The perfect example is the question of who is better Messi or Ronaldo? One is a physical specimen in every way and the other is a little unassuming guy, but both are amazingly talented. Ronaldo's height is irrelevant in any debate regarding the two. Its true that the coaching here in the US is lacking in many instances, so many coaches look for size and brute strength to compensate for their inability to develop players. Height is preferred mainly for keepers and central defenders and high target players if a team plays that way. Otherwise "tall" players are greatly outnumbered among star attacking players at the top clubs in the modern game. Make a list of the top 25 field players in the world today excluding central defenders and let me know how many are 5'9" and under and how many are 6'0" and over.

Anonymous said...

4:35 again someone comparing the current Womens game at the high D1 College level with the highest level of the mens international pro game. Not a valid comparison.
the womens game in this country is a new, still evolving sport even in relation to the mens game in this country and how are the men in the US and MLS compared to the international players you are using for comparison.
It's a much different sport than the mens international game so different requirements are looked for in recruiting for coaches to be successful.
Watch a womens college game and tell me how is that game comparable to Real Madrid, Bayern Munich or Barcelona?
It's completely different pace and tempo in the womens college game and what works is totally different in many ways. Slow, probing possession is rare, high pressure is common, ball winning, tackling and aerial duels are constant all over the field, and size, strength and speed are prized, not only for center backs and target forwards. And the bigger stronger faster players win most of those. In the womens college game today it's, "Win the ball, you Win the Game:.

Anonymous said...

5:33 Here again.and just so I'm not misunderstood I am not talking about big strong fast girls with no skill.
I am saying the coaches at that level are looking for the physical studs who are skilled as well.
And there are plenty of strength fast kids who have the required skill.
It's just very hard in our sports for the small talented athlete to beat out the big talented athlete, just as the smaller skilled player with average pace is hard pressed to play at that level vs players with pace.
coaches will just not usually take that risk with limited athletic scholarship money.
Again there are always exceptions but as stated you must be superior in pace ANd skill to offset lack of size.
there are no small, players with average speed at the elite level of college soccer unless they are walkons,practice players who just sit on the bench in games.

Anonymous said...

Is it the belief that a women who is 5-7 or 5-8 has an advantage over a women that is 5-5?




What is the actual spread where you think one player has an advantage over another?

Soccer Nut

Anonymous said...

5:42 any player with avg pace will not make it at that level tall 5'10" or smaller at 5'4".

You are not saying that a bigger girl with avg pace has a better shot than a smaller girl who is faster and can play the game better.

Also when you say pace? speed? are you talking their 40 time? or are you talking about being able to play 1 and 2 touch soccer without kicking the ball through a wall?

5:33 how is the girls game different than the boys game? besides the obvious.

Anonymous said...

Sky Blue cant draw because the girls are too busy playing.

Anonymous said...

Thank you 253 & good point. I've been saying all along the Fall/2014 State Cup was a meaningless one, your description of last "true" State Cup being Spring/2014 is right on.

Anonymous said...

8:01 I disagree Sky Blue can't draw because fathers come on here and say the girls game isn't the same as the boys game just like the Super Bowl commercial said.

We come on here a BS about GS, make fun of teams, show off our internet muscles, talk about colleges, talk about small sided vs big field, development vs winning, athletic kids vs skilled kids, but none of us want to support a girls team so instead Sky Blue will probably move and join NYCFC like the rumors say - I hope NY supports them better than 1,600 a game we do in NJ

Just this yahoo's opinion

Anonymous said...

Thats bull

They play so much.... then the pros want you to go watch on your day off from driving them - and on the girls day off from the game.

You get the girls that have soccer burning in them....... but not the player who has a well rounded life to attend.

And they do a good job at the games, spending time with autographs and such - but where are the player visits to clubs?

Nowhere, unless somebody from the club sets it up.

Anonymous said...

Also - way too much player turnover in the league.

If you go to 1-2 games a year you see a totally different team every time.

Anonymous said...

by pace I mean the ability to run with and mark the players you are matched up against at that high D1 level who are all great athletes and can run very well. No matter how well ad fast you can play 1 and 2 touch soccer if you can't match up physically and with the pace of the other athletes at that level you will be exposed.

Anonymous said...

State Cup champs are Medford, 8:32

The elite part of the tournament is NCS.

Anonymous said...

Yes. The real state cup is held in the fall.
that is the one that leads to regionals and a shot a usysa National Championship.

Anonymous said...

"by pace I mean the ability to run with and mark the players you are matched up against at that high D1 level who are all great athletes and can run very well. No matter how well ad fast you can play 1 and 2 touch soccer if you can't match up physically and with the pace of the other athletes at that level you will be exposed."


It appears you know very little about the game.

Anonymous said...

11:14 -You have to be able to defend and mark and win the ball as well as pass it quickly.

Anonymous said...

11:05 Why?

Fall Cup is part of the NCS that sends champion to Region1 Championships with a shot a National Championships.

Spring Cup is part of US Club and the Champion of the Super Group goes directly to the National Cup in Indiana while the winner of the other group goes to Mid-Atlantic Regional with a shot at the National Cup as well.

So unless you are standing on one side of the fence how can you say they aren't the same? Actually Spring cup is a direct ticket to a national event not a regional event. So one can argue Spring Cup is more valuable.

11:14 I agree

Anonymous said...

11:21 How are you defending if you are chasing? and why do you think the smaller girls can't defend and mark?

Anonymous said...

Unfortunately 11:14 is correct. Even if a smaller girl can maintain pace and mark in the beginning of a game. The larger physical presence just wears smaller players down at some point. I'm not saying that teams will not take on a smaller girl and find a place for them. But its often a supporting role and those roles are few.

Anonymous said...

8:22 I am not following this conversation.

The larger physical girl has the same skill level? If yes, then I agree.

Anonymous said...

I have one question for you - Wambach fits this larger physical player role, correct?

Do you think she would have as many goals if Wambach was crossing the ball to Wambach?

Anonymous said...

11:30 we were just talking about pace in that last conversation, not size.
Saying if you are small you must be SUPERIOR in the other areas, like pace, skill and aggressiveness, to have a place at the table at that level in womens soccer.
Small and average speed has NO CHANCE to play at that level in the womens game, regardless of skill on offense.

Anonymous said...

11:25 sorry but the new national event for us club state winners does not carry the prestige of winning Region 1 Tournament and being one of the 4 teams that qualify for USYSA National Championships.
As you say it is a national event, but like the difference between NCAA Champion and NIT Tournament Champion in basketball. US Club Nationals and Super Y-League Nationals just don't have the same tradition and cache.

Anonymous said...

So your the coach and you get to choose. You have one slot left and your choice is a girl with above average skills that is smaller and quick (lets say 5'4-5'6- weight-140), or a girl with average skills and great speed and size (5'9'-6') 160-175 lbs.

Anonymous said...

Smaller girl...

Anonymous said...

9:39 I agree Small and AVG speed has no chance - same Big and AVG speed.

9:47 If you say so. Just for the record this year's National Cup XIV has been around for a while.

NYE has moved away from USYSA the NY Cup holds more water than their NCS I think. This is how Sachem made it to regionals and why Top Drawer has them rated so high. YES TopDrawer looks at USYSA Major events in addition to ECNL events.

It looks like in NJ PDA and MF picked aside -all the others are still playing both sides.

I also noticed PA getting their own US Club State Cup their problem it's the same time as their NCS they need to move it to the fall for more success.

To me National League, Region1, ECNL, NPL & Super Y are my favorite leagues to follow.

I also like EDP as it has teams from CT, MA, NYE, NYW, NJ, DE, PAE & MD and sometimes VA

Anonymous said...

Top Drawer is the lap-dog of USYS and has no credibility in my book, none. Take Sachem Speed, really in the top 25 nationally, really, wow!

Anonymous said...

5-5 midfielder Tori Huster added to USWNT

Anonymous said...

Far more girls over 5-5 on that roster than under my friend. Spin it all you want.....

Anonymous said...

THere are six players that are 5-7

10 are under 5-7

8 are over 5-7, but just 5 are field players

Anonymous said...

5-7 is a good size for a girl...... Your point?

Anonymous said...

Even in basketball where size is probably the most significant asset of any sport, the size of the player varies for 6'2 to 7'2 with the best players in the world from 6'0 to 6'8.

It is always about the player never about size for the sake of size.

Every player on the soccer field is unique. They have their own physical, technical, speed and iQ on the field.


Making a claim that size is such an asset on the field that its the determining factor in anything without seeing what the individual unique athlete has to offer is a very simple way at looking at what makes a talented soccer player.

Have you ever seen an elite player explode off the ball and change directions on a defender on a dime.

Or a player thread a pass or lob a ball just over a tall defender to a team mate who puts the ball in the back of the net.

or a player that runs down an opponent from behind to give their teammates help in defense.


or a player that has a cannon for feet and can use her left and right equally as well.

or a player that can Jump "out of the gym"

This has nothing to do with height.



Aferall we are not talking about 5-1 vs 5'10.

Both heights are on the extreme side of the girls game.

Most elite players will fall between 5-4 and 5'8.

And in this box, it would be on the individual player and what that unique player has in her tool box.


The argument about height is a non starter especially when the ball is played on the ground,

You always have to look at the individual player and the way she-PLAYS THE GAME.

Soccer Nut

Anonymous said...

I agree Soccer nut, its a nasty and overtly bitter thread, probably started by a Dad who has a tall daughter. Corny but true, its not the size of the players in the fight, its the size of the fight within the players.

Thank you, next thread please.

Anonymous said...

This was said a WHILE BACK, S Nut

But thanks for the long reiteration

Anonymous said...

LOL, then I agree. I'm old and my attention span is not as good as it use to be.

Soccer Nut.

Anonymous said...

Nut - I agree - well said.

Anonymous said...

10:39 - That is funny.

What has Sachem SC done lately to move up in the top 25 on topdrawer? I cant believe they put them there.

Anonymous said...

They didn't move up -they are almost out as Rage is almost out of the GS NJ top 25.

Anonymous said...

Defending Region champs - Sachem Speed

Cant kill TD Soccer for putting weight on that

Anonymous said...

Not killing them - but you don't find it funny.

There have been posts made that Top Drawer is ECNL

But in this situation - which I agree with you - they are giving Sachem Speed the proper weight as Region1 Champion. However, the Region1 Champions league seems to have forgotten that as they are in D2 - The defending Region1 champ!!!

Anonymous said...

I can’t? Sorry, I thought I could, how dumb of me!

Not only does that have no weight for me, it doesn’t deserve a response, so after reading this, please forget I brought it up, okay?

Anonymous said...

Sachem Speed are a combination of girls from Atletico and some not-worthy enough to mention others from Loser Isalnd.

Anonymous said...

To the poster who said the Fall NJ cup is the place to be. I asked if you were standing on that side of the fence when you made that claim?

Just by this board and by no means does that mean anything more than me just typing it. No one gave Credit to the NJ Wildcat victory because "not all the top teams played in it" The Spring Cup seems to have added at least 4 teams that didn't participate in the Fall, PDA Ajax, PDA Dragons, MF NPL & NJCSA Galaxy. at the very least this adds an extra round of tough games for Nj Wildcats, STA & NJ Crush.

I'm going to add that in NYE all the top teams are playing the NY Cup instead of the NY NCS Cup.

Not sure about other states but in NY and NJ seems to be the trend of States going more with US Club Soccer than USYSA

NY Cup Recap

EM vs WC

ISA vs MSC

Massapequa vs Yankee or LaGrange

NYSC vs WC Hamm or Atletico

=========
NY NSC Applied Teams
Shrub Oak Athletic Club Girls United
Ballston Spa Soccer club
HBC Barracudas
LaGrange Soccer Club Lagrange Rage
Massapequa Soccer Club Hurricanes
NHP Wildcats Lady Jaguars
North Babylon Patriot SC Pride
Oceanside United
PLAINVIEW OLD BETHPAGE BREAKERS
Sachem Speed
Smithtown Red Stars

Anonymous said...

I think it is more simple than taht in NJ State Cup. In Spring, the two teams playing have a window of time to play their game including week days. Makes it easier on scheduling. Nothing else to it.

Anonymous said...

Thanks 2:16, very insightful!

So who do you like in the NY Cup finals, and the eventual champion?


Anonymous said...

I thought PDA and Match Fit don't need to play in state cup. Maybe B teams need to chase points. Guess top brass is sick of 2nd and 3rd flight disappointments.

Anonymous said...

2:25 I think there is more.

NPL teams can't play in NJ NCS unless they also play in EDP or CJYSA or Some other NJYSA league so they can have their player cards.

From looking at the list of teams the EDP teams are the only teams playing both State Cups as they have found away to provide that to their teams.

Anonymous said...

Such crap about State Cup

So.... Wildcats would have had to win one more game, maybe two

Why do you discount that this could have happened?

Anonymous said...

PDA Storm and Match Fit pre ECNL officially out of the spring NJC.

Anonymous said...

I have a Yankee United vs ISA final in NY (mild upsets, I know)

2 hungry teams

Anonymous said...

Why are you reading into it that way?

NJ Wildcats are the NJ NCS State Cup Champions, now that's either a NCAA title or an NIT title depending on who you ask. Why is that so important to you? I can see both sides and both sides have valid points.

Anonymous said...

I see Fall as the NIT.

Anonymous said...

Wildcats are the Rodney Dangerfield’s of New Jersey, they just cannot get any respect.

3:12, I like you boldness, Sir.

Did happy-hour start a little early at the office?

Anonymous said...

Match Fit Pre ECNL and PDA Storm will be attending Pre ECNL event in SC. I would rather have my child attend this event personally

Anonymous said...

So would I but that's only happening if you are on an ECNL team.

EM vs ISA
Yankee vs NYSC

EM vs NYSC

EM wins it all.

I can also see Sachem Speed winning NY NCS and joining NJ Wildcats in West Virginia

Anonymous said...

the 3rd spot at the NPL finals is still up for grabs

As the NPL Florida Premier League is still undecided. West Florida Flames 01 Elite Girls dropped their game leaving the door open for JFC Storm 01/02 (FL) who can clinch the title on March 1st when they play Boca United 01/02 F Gold-NPL (FL).

This was for all the NPL teams

Anonymous said...

This is also for the NPL teams

Lets give the 3rd spot to the NPL finals to U13 FC Alliance G they have 1 game left to play NPL South Atlantic Premier League with no team being able to catch them as they should hold the head 2 head tie breaker on all but Charloote who can’t catch them.

NPL FINALS 2015

OR#1 FC PORTLAND ACADEMY FC PORTLAND-01G-PRE-ECNL
TN #5 FC ALLIANCE 02G NPL
WA#13 MVPSA NAVY MARAUDERS 01

Anonymous said...

3:20 you are only correct if you only count the jealous posters on this board.
Wildcats are getting much respect from those that count, flight coordinators of top level nationally competitive tournaments and Region 1 Director and others who flighted Region 1 Champions League.
Which do you think really matter and which are meaningless.

Anonymous said...

Obviously who matters to you are the "idiots" on this board. You feel the need to respond.

Anonymous said...

Hey wildcats I'll go you one better.
Every one of the disrespectful posts come from NJ teams who found themselves in the 2nd or 3rd flights at Jeff Cup or Bethesda and desperately want to be the NJ team who has that respect and has earned the top flight spot at these tournaments.
Maybe next year guys.

Anonymous said...

Where do you think there will be more college coaches. Jefferson Cup or South Carolina at the ECNL tournament?

Anonymous said...

Wildcats have always been the highest ranked team in all of their tournament games, yet only have 1 win.

Hold back your mids, boot the ball form the back and hope the other teams defender falls down. That is the Wildcat Way.


Anonymous said...

6:33 have fun in those 2nd and 3rd flights.

Anonymous said...

Give the Wildcat's some credit. Their not a dirty team, plus their D-backs can kick the ball really far.

Anonymous said...

"Hold back your mids....."

Are the mids talented?

Could this team - Wildcats - be MORE effective playing a different system?

Anonymous said...

6:59

I think you are mistaken

I'd have to think the negativity re: Wildcats (ridiculous, by the way) comes from the ECNL contingent.

Dude - enjoy the attention. You earned it. And you dont have to defend your squad at every turn.

Anonymous said...

Why would it be coming from ecnl teams?

Do you think they wish they could trade places with wildcats.


Their success means nothing to the parents that think they are on the ECNL gravy train.


Anonymous said...

I think it is the Penn Legacy guy who is jealous of all the attention the Wildcats get.

Anonymous said...

8:49 I agree why would ECNL parents care about Wildcats? This love comes from close to home. This is a south jersey thing throwing mud at each other to recruit some players from the other team. Who else would care? Not like this is pro soccer it's u13 soccer the girls don't care

Anonymous said...

PAGS missed the boat in my opinion. They could have made D1 a NPL league covering PA, DE & MD

They have 12 solid clubs that would never leave for region 1 or join other Leagues, instead they would offer their champions a shot at a National event by just playing Fall/Spring Soccer

PA guys am I wrong, maybe I missed some clubs and included some I shouldn't have.

1776 United FC, PA
Delaware Rush, DE
FC Revolution, PA
Harford FC United, MD
HMMS Eagle FC, PA
LVY, PA
Penn Legacy, PA
Pennsylvania Classics, PA
PHWM SC, MD
Rage SC, PA
Ukrainian Nationals, PA
Yardley Makefield SA, PA

Anonymous said...

9:09

Um, no. The petty and frankly irrational criticism of that group of young ladies started before any of us knew this site existed. The lack of class from many(not all!) groups of Jersey parents is well known throughout the region. Just another example.

Anonymous said...

9:22

Forgive my ignorance on this one. The PA teams wishing to participate in the USYSA State Cup must play a USYSA "sanctioned" league. If PAGS were to become an NPL, would that still count? I know the girls would need to be carded through US Club Soccer as well but would they then be ineligible to play state cup due to the lack of league play?

Anonymous said...

11:43 So true.

Anonymous said...

11:43...

Amen!

Anonymous said...

11:57 I said PAGS D1 or call it something else.

If state cup was important they could play 3 games in another flight to qualify. I see they have these short season flights. Best of both worlds just like EDP which calls them cross over games.

Anonymous said...

PAGS TEAM REGISTRATION

Teams may register through any National Association, US Youth Soccer (USYS), American Youth Soccer Organization (AYSO), or US Club Soccer (USCS).

Anonymous said...

So find leagues that give out mad points for 1st 2nd and 3rd place in Spring AND Fall with only 2 real top teams in them and so you can then get invited to top bracket of tournaments to post ONE win. Is that what we should all be doing????? I just do not see it how that works long term.....

Anonymous said...

11:43 good word for them(9:43 ridiculous and irrational hatred and criticism).
It is caused by a few factors.
1 - yes some of the area clubs are just trying to throw stones as they want to be where they are.2 - Yes, of course being in the top brackets matter. that is the flights the college coaches will be watching in the next 2-3 years at U15-U16. Those coaches are not going to look at how many ties you have in tournament play. If you are playing in the top flight and playing competitive games then they are going to look for the best players who can help their programs WIN.

Anonymous said...

College coaches are not looking at these tournaments at U13 my friend. That has always been the point. Trying to manipulate the system now, because you can, to get into these top brackets is what will prevent the development to the next level to get into these top brackets when it counts. You are so blinded by the present. Just look at the top brackets in the top recruited tournaments for U15-16. Do you see your club represented?? That is the question you need to ask.

Anonymous said...

No one said they are looking now at u13.
But the teams there in the top flight now who continue to play competitively at that level will remain in those flights.
You are looking at older ages where the teams from wildcats were never at the level of the current U13 Team and were certainly not playing in top flights of WAGS Cup, Bethesda or Jeff Cup at U13..
The current U13 team has set its own mark.
Isn't that what you fear most?
A change in the statues quo in this age group.
You cannot count on things being the same as last year or the year before as youth soccer has always been an environment with changes happening every few years.

Anonymous said...

Sorry.... What success at the top brackets have they had again? Zero. You still do not see it. The only reason you are in the top bracket now is by manipulating the GS points in a crappy league..... You will not be able to do that later on. Good luck with that plan.

Anonymous said...

Does anyone know when the schedules for the region 1 champions league will be out?

Anonymous said...

There is always one outlier from a "b" club at every age group that performs at the top level. At this age group it is the Wildcats. At other age groups it is another team. Give them credit for what they have accomplished. Hopefully for their girls they keep it up. But let's not say there is some kind of "shift" from the PDA and MF teams. The Wildcats are only this age groups outlier. But good for them.

Anonymous said...

What about Penn Legacy?

Can we say this age group maybe has deeper talent then other age groups?

Anonymous said...

Since 11:43PM made it clear that the PA guys were not part of the Wildcat conversation in the past, there will be no such designation for Penn Legacy. You have to be part of this site for at least 2 years before you can be discussed as an outlier. Sorry.

Anonymous said...

OK, so lets seed the top 8 for New Jersey Cup

Give is 4 (1-4) for the top of the bracket and 4 for the bottom.

- Thus #3s are 5 and 6 best, 4s are 7th and 8th.....

- and yeah, I know they dont do it this way

Anonymous said...

I'll put Wildcats ahead of STA for now, despite current ranks

Thus the #1s are Match Fit - NE NPL and Wildcats

The #2s are STA and Crush

#3s will be PDA Ajax and PDA Dragons

#4s are TSF and NJCSA Galaxy

Quarterfinals are thus (barring upsets):

Match Fit (NJX) vs NJCSA
STA vs PDA Dragons
Wildcats vs TSF
Crush vs PDA Ajax

- pretty good event

Anonymous said...

Totally impartial just using GS straight up.

1 STA Morris United NPL 01
10 Jersey Shore BOCA Jr FC Fusion New Jersey
11 Manalapan Soccer Club Manalapan Dynamite
18 New Jersey Rush 01 Girls Grey
19 Jersey Premier Soccer Flash
27 NJ CRUSH FC TSUNAMI WHITE

2 NJ Wildcats Averbuch
9 TSF Academy 01/02G
12 New Jersey Rush 01 Girls Blue
17 Mercer FC Spurs
20 SDFC Samba
26 STA MORRIS UNITED 01

4 Players Development Academy Ajax
7 NJ Crush FC Tsunami
13 Hamilton Elite FC - Academy Avalanche
16 FC Copa Academy Lima NPL
21 PDA Shore Fusion
24 SJEB '01G NPL

5 NJCSA GALAXY
6 Match Fit Academy FC North East NPL
14 PDA Dragons
15 Medford Strikers Soccer Club Soul
22 Thistle Comets
23 Match Fit Academy FC Black North

Anonymous said...

NO 10:41 It is YOU who doesn't see it.
It is not GS Points that has Wildcats in top flights in every major tournament they enter(WAGS, Bethesda, Jeff Cup,Spirit,j FC Delco), if it was then why isn't STA or other highly ranked teams on GS in top flights.
If you look at the GS Rankings of teams in the top fights and 2nd flights of Jeff Cup or Bethesda this fall you will see that GS rankings were often a very small part of the consideration for determining flights at these high profile showcase events. Strong teams who for whatever reason do not have alot of GS points are still in top flight based on their overall body of work.
If you take the time to read the rules for Jeff Cup or other showcase events they LIST the criteria for flighting Teams and rankings are only 1 of many criteria.
It is and always has been the full body of work of each team that is considered.
That means league play, state cup and USYSA regionals/nationals, competitive records vs other top teams and records and flighting in other top tournaments over their recent history, as well as head to head results vs other teams in contention from their state for top flight.etc.
when you have been around high level youth soccer a bit longer and acquire more experience you will not make such foolish uninformed, baseless claims.

Anonymous said...

There are certain places on the pitch that a "taller" girl is normally placed. Gk, striker, center mid (holding). Look at the USWNT. Pinoe and Heath are short as hell but have great skill. Wambach is a beast at center forward...I don't think any coach would cut them from a team because of their size. They have different skill sets they have developed around their respective sizes.

Anonymous said...

Final 4 in the spring was MF NPL (winner), PDA storm (finalist) and PDA AJAX and Dragons. Although Wildcats had a "bad" game, they should replace storm as one of the top 4. Only STA (who wasn't in the tourney) can make a claim to a top spot maybe replacing AJAX or Dragons. Next 3 are Crush, NJSCA, and TSF. I don't see it any other way.

Anonymous said...

1:32

I agree with your logic but I would argue that they looked heavily at the State Cup teams from each state. How else would Crush be in the 2nd bracket. They can claim none of your argument points. That said, if Wildcats were not the SC winner they would not be in the top bracket. The Jeff Cup web site touts how many State Cup winners are in the tournament.

Anonymous said...

wildcats won state cup in november, yet were in top flight at WAGS in October as well as bethesda which set preliminary flights before state cup was decided in early november.
Wildcats also were in top flight in Spirit each of last 2 years and in FC Delco last May.
All but Jeff Cup were flighted before State Cup win in november.

Anonymous said...

The entire body of work for Wildcats is impressive, not just SC

3 straight wins over STA, a win over Crush, PDA Storm.....

Wins over the #1, 2, 3 and 7 teams in MD (The 7 being ECNL)

Impressive showings vs #1 in Illinois and Virginia.

Goes on and on

(not a Wildcat parent)

Anonymous said...

As for Crush - defending NPL champ, impressive showing in spring EDP (5 GA in 5 games) etc

Anonymous said...

(not a Wildcat parent) but are you a Wildcat coach? Hmmmm...

Anonymous said...

I'm having trouble believing that people actually think Wildcats do not belong in the top bracket of Jeff Cup/Bethesda/WAGS.

They are clearly top 3 in NJ, along with the PDA and MF pre-ECNL teams. They are the current NJ state champs. They have tied the top 2 PA teams (who also happen to be in the top Jeff Cup bracket).

The order of the top three is debatable, but since PDA and MF did not apply to Jeff Cup, no debate was necessary. They chose the best NJ team available to put in the top bracket.

This has nothing to do with accumulating GS points through league play. They won their league. They are competitive in the top brackets of major tournaments. This is a no brainer.

Anonymous said...

We have NJ State Futsal tournament this weekend followed by the National Futsal Regionals in Wildwood the following week (2/14 - 2/16). We all know who the team to beat is but what about others? Our friends from Long Island coming? Anyone from PA? Maryland will be there for sure & always top notch competition for us.

Anonymous said...

I think Crush is a good team but not in top 6 in NJ.

Anonymous said...

My top 10 list irregardless of GS points would go like this (I have seen all these teams play & 7 of them I have seen 3 or more times in past year or so):

1- PDA Storm
2- MF ECNL
3- Wildcats
4- MF NPL
5- PDA Ajax
6- NJCSA Galaxy
7- PDA Dragons
8- Morris STA
9- Crush
10- TSF

I think the top 5 are very close & argument can be made for any switching in that list but much less argument for 6-10 to crack that top 5 in my opinion.

Will be interesting how this looks after Spring season & tryouts.

Anonymous said...

4:08.

I cannot speak for your friends from L.I., but your pals from Westchester will be there, and if you think it will easy, well, you got another thing coming...

Anonymous said...

Good point by 1:32 on GS points and how they effect Jeff Cup decisions (very little). The PA Rage teams sits in second place with their GS points, ahead of PF. Thanks goodness Jeff official do some homework on these teams.

Anonymous said...

3:59 not the wildcats coach either.

Anonymous said...

heard a futsal club team from brasil will be there just so the team that "we know is the team to beat" can at least have one quality game.

imagine the sideline for 'the team to beat"... there are so many bitter, poisoned and miserable parents. it's too bad b/c the kids are great and all (almost all) are very skilled and great players...but their parents keep getting in their way!

Anonymous said...

4:25 top 5 I feel is spot on although I feel 6-10 needs to be adjusted. Dragons need to move to 6 with STA at 7 but very fair list

Anonymous said...

I would agree with the rankings based on style of play. Any of the top 5 could beat each other on any given day. I do feel the top two will jump to next level at U14 for the style of play they are being taught and the addition of a few more of the top players who want in on the proven ECNL.

Would put Dragons over Galaxy and Ajax/Dragons can flip. They are a toss up right now.

Anonymous said...

Do you really think scouts care what the scores are at top bracket games? People they are looking for individuals that can fit into their system. They could care less if the score is 10-0 or 0-10. Doesn't even have to be the top flight. It means nothing.

Anonymous said...

4:59.

Where did you hear the rumor about the u13G team coming all the way from Brazil to play in the NE Regional? If that’s true, I hope my kids team gets a chance to play them! Its really not about wins/losses at this tournament, its about playing hard, being one-team, and having fun. Don’t get me wrong, I would love for my child to succeed, but sometimes success is not measured by 1st place medals.

Anonymous said...

P.S. About the miserable D_____ parents, yeah they were over the top. Maybe they have mellowed in their old age.

Anonymous said...

I have seen these teams often as well

1- PDA Storm
1- MF ECNL

3 Wildcats (distance from top 2)
4 MF NPL

5 PDA Dragons (distance from 3-4 teams)
6 STA
7 MF Black
8 PDA Ajax
9 Crush

Anonymous said...

One of those top four you have listed is not going to perform quite as well as everyone thinks this year. Just saying!!!!

Anonymous said...

8:28 I will play

PDA Storm- everyone seems to be talking about them often on blog

Wildcats would be the other team

Shocking to me - MF is very quite

I would say you are referring to PDA

Anonymous said...

Nut u r on point again. The 5'4" to 5'8" window is spot on. That person is a big proponent of size, specifically height at the exclusion of skill. Even the pace analogy is being distorted. Xavi and Pirlo are 2 of the best field generals of the modern era and neither one is remotely big or sprinter fast. But touch, distribution skills, decision making capacity, vision, and movement off the ball are off the charts. The D1 womens game is a big human ping pong game in many instances and for me that's not something that should be admired or promoted. The steady decline in status of the WNT program should serve as a wakeup call. But as long as developing highly skilled, highly technical players remains the longer and more difficult path to Ws and Ls many youth coaches will look to win games with a wrecking ball approach. Plus many of these coaches are not up to the standard required at the highest level.

Anonymous said...

Try again

Anonymous said...

if not PDA Storm

Next would be Wildcats?

My guess would be MF NPL

MF ECNL is a good team, no one is claim on here they are best team. So I would not include them

Anonymous said...

MF-NE-NPL

Anonymous said...

9:09 I would agree MF NPL will not make semis or finals. Unless they take players from ECNL team

Anonymous said...

8:12 I like your list, I don't think PDA Storm and MF ECNL should be included in NJ top team talk anymore. We will probably not see them next year much. The will have 22 game ECNL schedule plus 2 events, playoffs and Finals.

This yahoo's Top 10
NJ
1. NJ Wildcats (NCS State Cup Champs)
2. STA (big wins this Fall)
3. MF NPL
4. PDA Dragons
5. PDA Ajax
6. NJ Crush
7. NJCSA Galaxy
8. NJ Rush Blue
9. TSF
10. Manalapan or Boca

NYE
Same thing No WC, EM or Albertson
How bad did I miss this??

1. NYSC
2. ISA
3. Atletico
4. HBC Spark
5. Sachem
6. Hauppauge
7. Manhattan
8. Massapequa
9. Levittown
10. Kosmos Nikh

PAE No Penn Fusion
1. Penn Legacy
2. PA Classics
3. 1776 United
4. HMMS
5. LVU
6. YMS
7. Ukranians
8. FC Revolution
9. Rage
10 Peen United Force

Anonymous said...

PA list is a little off.
1. Legacy
2. YMS
3. Classics
4. 1776
6. Rage
7. Penn United
8. HMMS
9. Ukranians
10.FC Revolution

There is a lot of player movement (really good players) about to happen this spring. A couple clubs are really going to drop off the map more than they already are. Rage will probably end up with FC Revolutions best players. Revolutions girls program is in shambles and on life support.

Anonymous said...

What's up with MF NPL? Did they lose any of their top players? Heard a couple of players quit.

Anonymous said...

10:46 you said a couple of teams, FC Revolution being one makes as you said Rage a better team, what others do wee need to keep an eye on? I am surprised they are not moving to ECNL team. But Rage does make sense as they play in SuperY and were in the Florida National Finals this year.

11:04 Posters have been saying that for a year now. There doesn't seem to be a bunch of action in NJ. EM is the big question in NYE from what I read.

Anonymous said...

All this talk about Futsal tournaments.
I wanted to look them up and couldn't find anything

NJ Finals in 4 days - no schedules posted.

The Northeast Regional is in 11 days no schedules posted.

same as MSC still no applied or accepted team listings tournament in 3 weeks.

I hope the teams playing at least now

Anonymous said...

7:12 - For FC Rev girls to go to ECNL team that is a 1 hr drive. That takes a lot of commitment from parents. I am not sure that the girls would even make the an ECNL roster. Even CFC who could use help.

Now if Penn Legacy girls decided to drive the 1 hr 15 min to an ECNL team, they would make a difference.

Anonymous said...

Rage is no longer participating in the Super Y league.

Anonymous said...

7:27, what do you want to know about Futsal?

The Northeast regionals are the weekend of 2/13-2/16, and yes no schedules have been released, but why should that matter? Is your child’s team playing? If so, no need to worry, they will probably release end of the week, or not. Like I said before, our club uses futsal training as an additional supplement to winter training. It makes perfect sense, and my kid loves it.

To be honest, I think it makes her a better player, it improves her fitness, her foot-skills, and her tactical awareness, its all good.

As far as the NJ Indoor event, cannot speak to that since we are not from NJ, but it sounds to me more like outside soccer, played indoors, which is not futsal, its sloppy, frustrating and brutish.

Cheers!

Anonymous said...

MF npl, players quit yes and players that are still there don't want to be. Didn't want to jump ship mid year. Players are also playing for the ecnl team and the npl team. Lots of anomosity. Bad bad situation. Good thing they have 4 teams to pull from. Soon it will be down to 2 teams all up north. Complete opposite of what was promised.

Anonymous said...

8:01 It doesn't matter to anyone participating - i agree - I'm not so I wanted to see if I recognized any of the teams playing - didn't know that was a crime - and trust me no worries on my end.

Okay since you are promoting futsal -i'll play along - you talk up your club and futsal - so what's the difference with 5v5 indoor leagues? Don't these leagues make players better also playing with a ball they use outside having to move the ball just like in futsal, no?

One last thing I like the shot a NJ, but isn't futsal futsal - NJ event or Wildwood event? Just for the record if quality teams don't show up at either event what do you have? Sloppy & frustrating?

Anonymous said...

8:14, sorry if I came across as elitist, my apologies. Unlike many of the random posts on here I am not someone that thinks his kids team is better than sliced bread. I played soccer, and I know the joy, and heart-break it provides.

As far as 5 v5 vs. actual futsal, there some profound differences, which I do not have time to go through right now, but some of them are:

Playing surface, its hard-rubber, so futsal players need to be super sharp, and have an expert first-touch.

Tactical positioning, it you get to watch both, you will see that Futsal players position themselves differently.

Player quality, overall only the best players from an outside soccer team are elected for the NE Regionals, such as the Hotshotz playing for DV Academy, NJX players playing for Dynamo, etc.

Those are just 3 off the top of my head.

Like I said, I am not trying to be a soccer-snob, but when I hear a club, or team is sending a futsal squad to Wildwood, its gets my attention, because I know that those girls are the best of the best from that team or club.

Cheers!

Anonymous said...

Futsal guy

They are all doing similar winter training

Girls bagging an entire winter for another sport would suffer but I think this only happens in extreme cases with the top teams

Anonymous said...

Just one player plays with both NPL and ECNL Match Fit teams - and nobody has left the NPL roster since fall

Anonymous said...

8:32, similar training, hmmm.

Yes, if kicking a #5 ball around the HS gym is similar, I guess so.

Who said they were only playing futsal?

My point was that most players cannot even make a good futsal team, its not just soccer played indoors.

P.S. Top teams?

Does PDA, MF or Wildcats send teams to Wildwood? If they are such great teams, why not send a representative?

Anonymous said...

College futsal teams are popping up everywhere.... Let's please give it a rest. Good mix up in winter to train but 100% necessary? No.

Anonymous said...

Elite teams don't train in gyms anymore, pal.

Futsal is great. I love the intricacies of the rules (5 foul limit, time limit for restarts, etc).

Anonymous said...

You give it a rest!

And your sarcasim is not funny, well its kind of funny, but I won't give you that.

All we are saying, is give futsal a chance.

Anonymous said...

I am not your pal, but I could be, if you gave me a chance, and futsal.

Anonymous said...

7:36 said "Now if Penn Legacy girls decided to drive the 1 hr 15 min to an ECNL team, they would make a difference".

Do you think that is a possibility for next year?

Anonymous said...

8:14 here

I know the game is different turf vs hard floor and quick touches and passing is required.

All I'm saying is that you van also have a similar outcome if you play 5v5 indoors - more touches smaller space to move ball around with a #5. Is that better or worse? To me they are both the same. No hate on futsal, actually love it played on that surface passes have to be crisp with no bounce and first touch needs to be magic. All good stuff, just said there was another option and I can see the benefits to both

PS. no need for apologies - it's all good.

Anonymous said...

Except for a few teams in nj that play futsal, it is very bad competition. Can't play kick and run but most teams still try. Lol.

Anonymous said...

9:36, good point.

Let’s talk about Dynamo, who really played like an outdoor team last year in Wildwood. Did they win their bracket? Yes. Did they win their playoff game?No. Why not? Because they played against a team that trains all winter at futsal. Dynamo had big tough players that kick the hell out of the ball, but when pressed, they choked and could not recover. Still a great showing for NJ.

Anonymous said...

So are you saying skill won out over big strong kids, lol. Give me small and skilled any day. Big and strong run out of gas before the little spit fires. Here goes the topic again. But the big and strong from dynamo are going to get the scholarships, ha. Jmho

Anonymous said...

Well, they did on that day. The eventual winner, DCFA GU12 Cruzeiro was very skilled, but the Dynamo team played well, losing 3-2. no knock on them, they did their best, bravo for representing NJ. The size issue is a little different in futsal, where smaller, quicker, and more skilled players have an advantage. Look, you still need to have fitness above all else, otherwise you’re just like me in stands, a spectator.

Anonymous said...

The Futsal Guy is turning this into a marketing site for his tournament business.
Give us a break dude.
The Academy Teams play indoors on field turf in winter now, same surface as we play on outdoors on our home fields, not on wood in gym floors.

Anonymous said...

Once again there is no girls academies. Just saying. Get it right

Anonymous said...

Players Developement Academy

Match Fit Academy

just saying....

Anonymous said...

10:39, does it really sound like that, if so, Hahahaha.

I do not have any futsal businesses, nor am I a shill for the Wildwood Convention center, just a parent.

Someone brought up the tournament, I responded with support and encouragement, what's the big deal?

BTW: My daughter plays futsal because she loves soccer, not the other way around.

Anonymous said...

Did she try out fotr this particular futsal team - or is this just her main team playing futsal?

thanks

Anonymous said...

11:15, good question!

It's a little of both, she had to try-out, and most of the girls on the team are from her club team. However, there were a few who were not selected from her team, which was very disappointing to those players and parents, I know this, because they told me! But no, not everyone on the futsal team is from her club team.

Anonymous said...

10:54 and 11:06 Hey "Just Saying" lighten up on drinking all that KoolAid.
Don't believe everything they feed you up there.
You daughter is a very average athlete and will struggle to be anything more than a limited role player in the next few years on her team.

Anonymous said...

I was at my daughters u14 state tournament a few weeks ago at Rutgers.We got kicked pretty good by a smaller more skilled team. Does dynamo have a u14 team or were they playing up. Believe me, no lack of skill on that team.

Anonymous said...

8:11am

NPL are not playing with NPL and ECNL.

Will play strictly with NPL all spring

Anonymous said...

My daughter can't play Futsal, she's too tall...

Anonymous said...

The ECNL Graduating Class of 2015:

ECNL Class of 2015: 1,357
College Bound ECNL: 1,236

Total # Playing Collegiate Soccer: 1,203

Division I: 920
Division II, DIII, NAIA: 283

Not bad for approx 70 clubs Nationally.

Anonymous said...

Does anyone have statistics for any other league.

That would be very telling

Anonymous said...

Yes, I have them

But you cant see them

Anonymous said...

Numbers are telling

Almost 1/4 dont go D1?

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Anonymous said...

I would love to use some Pest Control on the PDA/MF groupies, they are hard to get rid of...

Anonymous said...

After 50 more comments the blog will be shut down. I think you all need a couple of days away.

Anonymous said...

ECNL haters just can't seem to give in. Even when the numbers glaringly prove otherwise.....

Anonymous said...

Certainly get more league games in ECNL

Anonymous said...

WOW there are 1,995 u18 teams ranked via GS. Those teams are obviously playing in tournaments for their kids. So the 70 ECNL teams represent ~4% of all the u18 teams.

Congrats to all the kids that signed today ECNL or NOT

Anonymous said...

3:36, I don’t hate ECNL, but all of your tireless recruiting for the club is getting boring, please stop. Yes, we all know its considered the top female program, but that opinion varies based upon who you ask, as with all things

P.S. I love the post from last night about separating ECNL teams from ALL others, on random state rankings. As if every one already knows that they are the top teams. That was almost supple enough, haha, good one.

Cheers!

Anonymous said...

"7:36 said "Now if Penn Legacy girls decided to drive the 1 hr 15 min to an ECNL team, they would make a difference".

Do you think that is a possibility for next year?

February 4, 2015 at 9:25 AM"


I'm not 7:36, but CFC and PF have always benefited in the past from grabbing a few Lancaster players (PL and Classics). The goal is to usually find two or three who are willing to defect so that their parents can split up the carpooling duties.

We'll see how it goes. At U12, there were some disgruntled PL parents and as a result there were some PL players at PF/WCUSC tryouts. However, none defected at that time (I'm certain that at least one was offered a roster spot). Since then, PL has a new coach and picked up some new players from FC Rev and points west. And there were no PL players at last year's U13 PF pre-ECNL tryouts.

I would think there is no rush for the PL players to come over to CFC or PF. Becoming a starter on CFC would not be difficult for any of the PL players, and many PL players could also start for PF as well. There is no rush to get in on the ground floor. If ECNL is indeed the way to go, it would not hurt the PL players to wait until U15 or U16 to come over.

Accordingly, I would not expect much player movement from Lancaster this year.

Anonymous said...

Feel free to add to this list below are the ECNL Member Clubs from the states we talk about.

29 McLean Youth Soccer
24 Albertson Fury
22 Maryland United FC
19 FSA FC
19 Match Fit Academy
19 World Class FC
18 Bethesda SC
18 FC Stars of Massachusetts
16 East Meadow Soccer Club
15 Boston Breakers Academy
14 PDA
13 Connecticut FC
13 FC Bucks
13 Penn Fusion SA
13 Richmond United
12 FC Virginia
10 Continental FC

Anonymous said...

Sorry the number represents then number of players signed

Anonymous said...

5:06 PA guy you rock. Thanks for the PA update.

I also like the PA fued and when FCV, FSA and Calvert get involved to join NJ/NY more fun (for me at least)

Anonymous said...

Why are ecnl parents on here trying to sell us to bring our kids over and maybe take their spots.
If it is so great you would think they would be trying to keep should a good secret so their own kids could get the benefit and exposure in 2 years.
Could it be ecnl coaches are on here trying to draw us over to their tryouts?
Maybe they are not so happy with their pool of players after all.
If so some of you PDA parent shills better watch your backs.
They are sharpening those knives for tryouts.

Anonymous said...

No secret with PDA and Match Fit that if a better girl comes along you are out. But the coaches don't need to come on here. They call the girls parents directly. How is this: "hi, Mr. Smith, this is Mike O'Neill coach of the PDA Storm. I have seen your daughter play and she would be a great addition to our team. She has the ability to start right away. Hope to see her at tryouts. Oh, did I mention, I am the head coach of the Big Ten Playing Rutgers women's soccer team.

See you at tryouts. "

Anonymous said...

@ 12:39

The Dynamo that won the U14 state tournament is the same team that is playing in the U13 age group. They played up 2 weeks ago.

Anonymous said...

So you are saying the ecnl salesmen are the parents? Kind of like a death wish ins't it?
I think it might be coaches.

Anonymous said...

Good post by 5:06 regarding PL (and pretty accurate). There are always an unhappy parent or two on every team. But nothing silences disharmony like winning and knowing that even stronger players are coming to the next tryout. Pl was extremely fortunate to pick up four ODP players out of the five they added while not losing any. Championship League schedule out soon, should be a fun month of March.

Anonymous said...

Sorry 7:12, didn't see your question regarding teams other than FC Revs. High probability that HMMS will lose its best player or players this spring also (headed for Legacy??). Legacy has become the Borg of Lancaster/Reading soccer. Assimilating other teams best players into their program. If YMS finds a way to score more goals, they could be very, very tough. Already a big, fast team and at times plays a good possession games. Classics plays a very good and smart possession game, but will have a tough time with bigger teams (although they did beat 1776 4-0). Rage's girls program is getting much stronger now that they have a coach that is known for getting his players college looks (even one that had two knee surgeries). Great idea about multiple players going to PF and carpooling from Lancaster, questioning whether after first year is done and that new car smell wears off, if player will still want to give up almost four hours (drive and practice), three nights a week.

Anonymous said...

5:06...

Only 1 player, yes offered a spot, but no..parent was not disgruntled.

Anonymous said...

So if PL and Rage are adding will they increase Roster spots or cut players?

Anonymous said...

Rage would definitely move a current player or players to B team if needed. Can't see PL adding more players as they already have at least five players on their bench. They have a B team also, so probably would do the same as Rage. Rage is not to far away from being a really solid team with solid attackers and defenders. They do need their mids to transition better though (its what hurts them). Of all the teams mentioned, I think 1776 could come out the strongest by springs end. They have learned how to score goals (only Classics and Legacy scored as much or more) and are not as defensive minded when they were playing 8v8. Plus they do seem to match up well against Legacy. Is there a reason that they would not want to become a ECNL club? Their location for playing ECNL teams would be as good if not better than PF.

Anonymous said...

9:59 help me understand something?
1776 or Nether are CFC affiliates?

If CFC ECNL team not that strong and 1776 is so strong why are they in a CFC uniform.

let me guess they have a great coach and they are in Region1 CL which is just as good as ECNL.

Some things just don't make sense to me.

Anonymous said...

Correction why are they not in cfc uniform

Anonymous said...

Only the "soccer nut would know such things, or the "PA Guy". I simply know that once they turn U13's, Nether becomes 1776 and they stay with their Pags affiliation. They do have a good coach, but might be one of the most inconsistent teams (of teams that could be a top team) of all the teams in PAGS, NPL or ECNL.

Anonymous said...

Committed yes. Committed to 10% or 15% soccer scholarships maybe. Committed academically, probably. Used car salesman, won't give you all the information. Give me the car fax!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

Do people still really think that our girls are going to get a full ride to a college to play Soccer? They have a better chance of getting scholarship money for academics.

I just want my daughter to be able to play a sport she loves for another 4 years before the real world kicks in.

Anonymous said...

2:51 "Numbers are telling. Almost 1/4 dont go D1." This is absolutely hysterical that this is posted on the blog. So the kid that works her tail off an gets an academic scholarship to play competitively at D2 or 3 is not good enough is what your saying.

"Use some pest control on PDA/MF goupies". Very original. Its like in every sport, the top organizations are always hated the most because of their success. An average of 13 players per ECNL roster go D1. Another 4 go D2 and 3. PDA/MF keep up the good work in producing quality D1, 2, and 3 players.

Anonymous said...

My daughter plays for a competitor club, but we don't compete for the same player pool, we compete against each other on the field, which is where this is always settled.

From an outside perspective, if I hear the team is playing against PDA, MF, WCFC, etc, I know my child will need to bring her best game. Luckily, she is blessed with great talented and is having the time of her life, and sometimes that is enough.

Anonymous said...

Yes they would rather have a ecnl bench player who does not play or a npl bench player who does not play and they too are also committed to D1? Really? Talk about kool-aid and gullable

Anonymous said...

"9:59 help me understand something?
1776 or Nether are CFC affiliates?

If CFC ECNL team not that strong and 1776 is so strong why are they in a CFC uniform.

let me guess they have a great coach and they are in Region1 CL which is just as good as ECNL.

Some things just don't make sense to me."

I'm not 9:59, but the answer to your question is in your first sentence. "Nether" is a CFC affiliate. 1776, technically, is not.

So what is the relationship between 1776 and Nether? Well, at least at U13 and U14, the teams are made up from 90% former Nether players. They use the same fields for games and practice as Nether. It is very accurate to say that "1776 is the old Nether team".

I believe Nether does the re-branding to 1776 at U13 is an attempt to draw in those players who want to play at a high level, but who don't want to take on the level of cost and travel as the ECNL teams. Maybe grab those good players who also are serious lax or basketball players (it's very hard to play club lax and ECNL or AAU basketball and ECNL). The re-branding also helps draw in the few good players from local Delco clubs who have built up any animosity to Nether over the years: Nether is a rival local town team, but 1776 is regional team looking for the best in Delaware County. To-may-to/To-mah-to. But you get the point. By joining "1776" instead of "Nether" it let's these parents off the hook. You'd be surprised how often this is an issue.

That all being said, a couple years ago the Nether/1776 coach was offered the chance to move his team en masse to CFC where he would coach it. He turned them down. (And I second the poster who said the coach is very good. One of the better ones in PA I'd say.)

And this winter, CFC has reached out to some of the Nether players and invited them to come practice with them. So far there have been no defections.

Someone else mentioned that 1776 may be improving their team this spring. Any idea where the new players would come from? Ukrainians? Bench players from PF? Players from the old FC Europa team that imploded? In addition to the old Nether core, the team currently has former Lower Merion, Westmont, and Hulmeville players.

Anonymous said...

Thanks 9:47 on who and what the 1776 actually is. I would imagine that players/parents not happy with their PF situation might migrate over to 1776. As long as they accept the fact that they will be playing some really bad teams in half their games. You reaffirmed Nether's coach as being very good and as being one of the top ones in PA. Penn United will be moving up this year and I think will be said of him. He is old school tough, but the girl love playing for him. He will eventually get his share of of the better Harrisburg, York and Lancaster players.

Anonymous said...

Penn United moving up to PAGS 1? So a watered down league just gets more watered down.

So would girls leave PL or PA Classics to play on Penn United?

Anonymous said...

I don't think they would make that jump at this time (not the top players anyway). But as Classics was smart about their team building and didn't throw their girls to the sharks and hope they could swim, so is Penn United. They gave Legacy a good battle last year in the only game they played them. Legacy exposed their depth in the end, but this team is very well coached and has good speed were needed, and they do have a wide populated radius to draw from.

Anonymous said...

So the best player from HMMS might got to PL? How far is the drive from Mechanicsburg (HMMS) to Lancaster (PL)? Is it really that much further than the drive from Lancaster (PL) to West Chester (PF)? Google says 50 min and 60 min respectively.

Anonymous said...

Judging by the recent posts sounds like the excellent competition of the new Region 1 Champions League has started to draw players for Penn Legacy.
If this Region 1 Champions League continues to draw the best of the non-ecnl teams you will see much more of this movement to those teams across the board the comp in the top flight in the U13 age group is much stronger than any of the NPL/EDP/EDL League lineups this spring season.

Anonymous said...

Whatever 12:57.

P.S. Do the Amish play soccer?

Anonymous said...

12:57 - no one came to PL last yr with the hopes of playing in the region 1 champions league. No one came to PL with the hopes of playing the wildcats.

Anonymous said...

12:57 PA has arrived the top 5 teams from PAGS have moved to region 1 to play 6 other PA teams from the West and 6 teams from update NY. Yup much better than those leagues. Enjoy.

Total
6 (PAW)
6 (NYW)
5 (PAE)
4 (VA)
2 (NYE)
1 (MA)
1 (DE)
1 (NJ)

Anonymous said...

"U.S. women’s youth programs will also move to birth-year specific programming in 2015. That will include playing more international youth matches, something Heinrichs said the U.S. lacks in comparison to Europe. The U.S. will host two annual youth tournaments, one of which is the upcoming U-17 tournament in Carson, Calif."


Developing academies for women just around the corner.

Moving to birth year.

Anonymous said...

Here is the article


As you can see, training big tough girls with speed is just not good enough anymore

http://equalizersoccer.com/2015/01/30/uswnt-youth-development-plans-academy-residency-ncaa-nwsl-training/#disqus_thread

Anonymous said...

If the amish played soccer 1:25, they would probably play a similar style to your team and be able to boot the ball as far as they can whenever it comes near. Not quite the same as your though as their parents probably would show at least a little class during games. To the other post regarding the drive to practice with PF. PF would be a players best option, but the drive from anywhere near Lancaster is a tough one. Your choice is either Rt. 30 which is brutal after 5:00pm or taking a longer way to the PA Turnpike and then head south off of than (tough call). Know a parent that did it and said it would often take an hour and a half one way. By the way Jersey, you guys have a great blog and you are welcome to stay at one of the many Amish bed and breakfast homes when you play in PA.

Anonymous said...

1:41 it is not just wildcats that PL will play in Region 1 champions league, also South Shore Mass, Binghampton,etc.
The competition across the board is better and that will draw players to those teams to compete at that level of competition.

Anonymous said...

"how all parties come together on these plans could be one of the most interesting spaces to watch. Gulati said U.S. Soccer has a good relationship with Elite Clubs National League (ECNL), the highest level of girls youth soccer in the U.S. and a model that loosely replicates the boys’ U.S. Soccer Development Academy model."

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