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Wednesday, October 11, 2017

U16 Girls Youth Soccer

U16 young women players are not playing for fun, they are playing to win.

Best to step aside, because they are about to barrel through...

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Anonymous said...

i ment 9:50

Anonymous said...

9:50 I don't care - I just don't get it. Soccer is not cheap and to invest all that money in our kids to develop their skills because they want to play NT/College what ever and then settle for 2nd best? That my friend is the writing on the wall that soccer will becoming to an end.

My kid plays is having fun doing what she wants and would never be happy with 2nd best - if that spells doomed for me then I am doomed.

Anonymous said...

And this summarizes beautifully the problem with DA. The kids want both... they want to play on THE BEST team (the DA) AND they want to play High School (to have fun). The DA and even ECNL for that matter is too much like a job sometimes. These coaches are over-scheduling the teams. Our team is going 5-days a week right now. We even played on Sunday in the freezing, pouring rain.

We are forcing kids to make decisions that they just don't want to make.

F-U US Soccer for putting them in this position.

Anonymous said...

10:26
YOU as a parent are making the choice! Don't blame US Soccer
Not one is forcing you, THAT is what's wrong with our society!!!

Anonymous said...

They are forcing us to make sophie's choice

Anonymous said...

I also blame US Soccer because they want to compete at the highest level(World Cup/Olympics) but put in place rules to take away a kid's(Social Life). Outside of not playing HS what girl has the time to do other activities after school clubs or other sports etc. let alone making sure they keep plenty of time to study while they are required to do something soccer related 5/6 times a week.

Yes it's a parents choice but what if both the Men's & Women's soccer teams were already dominating like basketball still is, do you think all these rules & changes like No HS or other sports/activates would be in place. US Soccer needs to work with the leagues(ECNL etc) and align themselves with colleges to help train those selected athletes to play at the highest level not cherry pick from U11-U17. Yes I disgruntle because I'm not looking forward to see GDA next year but daughter wants it.

Anonymous said...

I agree 10:34

10:47 if she loved soccer it wouldn't be a job for her - she would want to win for her self a roster spot, minutes, the game, a college scholarship, an invite to CA, play for any NT not complain about not playing HS.

GDA and HS both train at the same time the player has a choice that is the rue beauty of this. Don't we want the making choices on their own?

11:02 they didn't take anything away they actually gave the girls that love the sport more by adding more training. Why do you guys have a problem with CHOICE!


1. GDA = College
2. ECNL + HS = College
3. ECNL = College
4. Non-ECNL + = College
5. Non-ECNL = College
6. HS + ODP = College
7. HS = College

Why are parents defending leagues?

If a player picks soccer - how can training 4x per week with club be bad?

There is no way any player can practice/play games 5x per week for HS and train 4x per week with club, so GDA is making it easy for the players instead of risking injury - you can't do both pick one. CHOICE!

The model is great - the only people crying are the ones losing $$$

GDA is a feeder for YNTs and NTs possibly in addition to College - how is this a bad thing? A true top of the pyramid. Everybody wins. The players get fantastic training and play against the best that want the same thing.
If they want HS go for it CHOICE!




Anonymous said...

10:47 - sophie's choice, really? A little dramatic don't you think; horrible example.
It's called parenting.

Anonymous said...

1:53 you got it
No one wants to parent anymore. What does little Mia want?

Anonymous said...

That's the problem. Little Mia wants it all. Top of the pyramid and high school. Her high school team is good with good coaching. Closest DA will be stronger then closest ECNL. The kid is only 14... not quite mature enough to comprehend everything.

I know that's where parenting come in... just not an easy choice to make.

Anonymous said...

Actually it's a very easy choice - ask little MIA where does soccer fit in the big picture. If it's play in college, then stick with HS and ECNL and she will play in college, if it is NT then the choice is simple GDA (college is a given)

Choice!

Anonymous said...

Okay my daughter chose HS vs GDA just for the next coming year as she is on the younger end(2002) of the U16/17 GDA team next year. She will play out her Freshman HS year next year just for the experience and social aspects then she will try to make the GDA team the following year as one of the older players.
Those are choices they should be thinking of right now not putting all eggs in one basket and jumping ship.
I'm glad she was mature enough to make that decision and not myself as a parent pushing her to the decision.

Anonymous said...

You guys are funny

You are saying GDA will turn their backs on players wiishing to participate in HS soccer - tell them they then must play ECNLor NPL or EDP the rest of the year.

Trust me - this will not be the case because they will be concerned that the GDA club down the road will then get that (exceptional) player.

Anonymous said...

Who said turn their backs? I heard they will be put at the bottom of the GDA roster and will need to compete for playing time.

Anonymous said...

This is funny
Life always gives us at least 2 choices, which you make.
The part you don't choose is the repercussion/outcome of your choice.
Our daughters are old enough to learn that lesson.

Anonymous said...

For you GDA Gurus, how many GKs per age grouping? I would expect at least 2, but maybe 3, as many as 4? Of course, GK numbers then factor into roster spots for field players.

Anonymous said...

GDA will take 3 keepers, but the bottom for that 3rd - better be almost as good as the top. So if the coaches only see 2 great keepers, I think they would only take 2. A weak keeper these days, or any keeper not playing the sweep keep style is not going to last and lose matches. sorry, watch the super keepers making unbelievable saves. I hate to put so much on keepers, but the game has changed from 30-40 years ago for sure. Great keeper is only as good as the limited shots on goal, so by using perfect defense you can limit quality shots for sure at this age grouping.

Anonymous said...

Perfect defense, what’s wrong with you dude? Everybody knows your defense is only as good as your holding-midfielder, if she is having a good game, the other team will not have quality chances. The #6 position is the most important on the field, because she is the one who shields the back-line, and begins the counter attack, she is the alpha and the omega.

Thank you for listening.

Anonymous said...

Great comic relief today
"my daughter's position is the most important on the field"

Try this...read each blog post with an open mind, attempting to understand the context. NOT preparing your "defensive, I know better" reply while reading.

Anonymous said...

I agree with 10:39

Anonymous said...

I'll play too
Technically a holding midfielder is part of the defense
Your turn

Anonymous said...

10:05 - we were told 2 GK's per team.

Anonymous said...

10:14 -. You don't seem to understand the value of the keeper that directs up the field and becomes part of the field players as well. In addition to "unbelievable saves" they need to have great foot skills and ability to see the breakdowns. They direct the holding middie as well.

Anonymous said...

http://events.gotsport.com/events/schedule.aspx?EventID=53446&Gender=Girls&Age=15

Anonymous said...

Place your bets! Anyone want to call the winner for the Jeff Cup Showcase?

Pipeline
SJEB Rush
PDA Storm
PA Classics
Penn Fusion
Maryland United
East Meadow
Cleveland FC

Anonymous said...

Group A and Group B are so lopsided. Going by YSR looks like SJEB Rush and Pipeline would be favored. These two teams have played a bunch of times and they put them again to play Sunday morning. I have no idea on these brackets. I would say the winner will be Rush or Pipeline to take it all. But, its soccer and anything can happen.

Anonymous said...

PA teams will battle out the championship game

Anonymous said...

I think pda or east meadow win.

Anonymous said...

I'm going with Match Fit. Haha what a joke

Anonymous said...

How many GKs per GDA team?

Could be ZERO for this age group

Anonymous said...

The 01/02 teams should carry 2 keepers, one from each age group.

Anonymous said...

They didn't even out the brackets very well. Bracket A is obviously loaded. 2 strongest teams in my opinion are both in same bracket. East Meadow and PDA should've been split. Bracket B is anyone's game. Winner will
Come out of A.

Anonymous said...

Where is the big news that was coming?

Anonymous said...

12:44

"We were told 2 GK per team"

Which club?

I think 3:42 is correct - all the keepers could come from '01

Anonymous said...

Depending on the club numbers at 01 and 02.
The GDA team is first and foremost a 01 team with 02s added as numbers, skill and development call for. An 02 that gets in will hopefully play 2 years with that team.

Anonymous said...

There are 22 rostered kids; 2 keepers included. No specifics re both keepers coming from different birth years.

Anonymous said...

http://www.ussoccerda.com/20170216-feat-miriam-hickey-director-of-us-soccer-girls-development-academy-qa

Anonymous said...

Official GDA statement:
"As a combined age group, players are encouraged to play up and clubs will have groups of players that they will move up and move freely among age groups within their Academy program. The projected pool would equate to approximately 23 players per age group for a total of 69 full-time players amongst the three age groups (U-14/15, U-16/17, and U-18/19)."

Anonymous said...

Our club is looking to keep the 01/02 GDA roster at 18, this includes 2-3 spots for any players joining after their HS season ends.

Anonymous said...

8:12
Assuming you're comfortable and familiar with your daughter's club, how do you see the "2-3 spots after HS" fitting in?
Personally as a coach, that would categorize those players as "bottom" of the dedicated roster. They would need to perform and prove they deserve a possible spot on the bench at games.

Anonymous said...

I would consider those spots as emergency players, 5-10 minutes per game.

Anonymous said...

I would consider those spots for kids that are too good to not want their impact.

Anonymous said...

8:51
??

Anonymous said...

You guys crack me up. You do understand international rules? Only 18 dress and ONLY 14 play 3 subs with no re-entry. So on a GDA team playing 5 to 10 minutes is a win. All these kids will have college spots locked up. Just making the team will be a win down the road. No so much for this age age group and older.

Top of the Pyramid - should bring together top ECNL, PDP, id2 and ODP players to one place creating the place to be. Every practice will be top notch every game will be great for the kids playing. All these kids want the same thing to be the best soccer player they can. Not a multi-sport star or to play HS ball with their friends. Nothing wrong with this. Will take a few years for this cycle of players to go through the system, to many mixed feelings. We will see the impact after the current U14-U18 players are out of the mix.

When the kids are young no longer will parents seek out ODP or ECNL clubs they will look for the GDA clubs (most of them are ECNL anyway) the top players will play for free and the kids that have dreams will pay just how it is.

My 2 cents

Anonymous said...

8:51 here sorry. Meant hs kids coming back.
I think we are underestimating the draw of highschool sports. Its definitely helpful to social life and I think thats a big deal for most girls in hs.

We will see. But my guess is some of the best girls will not go DA. 50/50 or 60/40 from top 30 02s.

Anonymous said...

8:46
So if they're top 02s, you see them choosing HS?
Strange deduction.
Remember 02s may want to join GDA but they are additions to 01 team, not primary, so to speak.

Anonymous said...

9:46 yeah our kids in a non GDA world.

But the U9-U11 girls will train 4x per week with club team instead of going to ODP tryouts or going to ECNL teams because at that age everyone has the dream and more importantly the parents will seek out the top of the pyramid and with the USSF taking directly from the GDA teams they construct the yellow brick road.

My kid loves HS ball almost as much as club ball. She loves the interviews, local news highlights, tweets about her and that she can compare her stats with others - honestly who wouldn't I get that. but my kid also doesn't want to play for the NT she is not driven enough for that in regards to the sacrifice she needs to make. There are many GIRLS that want the dream and work really hard for that dream

Anonymous said...

There are many other ways to be involved socially in high school than just through sports. Be the sports' reporter, take pictures, get involved in student council, etc.

Anonymous said...

10:09 here
I meant to ask 9:46 the question and not 8:46

10:14
Each girl will choose as she wishes
The social pull is strong but depending on her aspirations, the social pull is short lived gratification.
Choose your path long term

Anonymous said...

10:21 with what time?

If you live an hour plus from PDA as I do and DA has 3 2.5 hr sessions during the week, that is 4.5-5 hrs of time per school week that my kid is in a car or on way to practice. So grades may suffer. Free time and fun suffers, and social life suffers. Im not even convinced playing 3 other sports wouldn't be better for her soccer dev at this age.

Then there is the fact of can she make PDA? Maybe. She has played with many of those girls and can compete with them. Does that mean coach likes her enough to bring her in? Not sure.

Zero chance on WC and CS regardless. I will wait and see how those ships sail before moving into that uncertainty.

I know many top 02s that are not looking to ditch hs. Many are already engaged with college coaches. The college coaches dont seem to care too much.

Anonymous said...

The GDA isn't for anyone and with only 22-23 spots open it will be extremely hard to get on one. Some people make those travel trips and have for years. It takes a huge commitment from the child as well as the family. But there are enough out there that do it. Unless the commitment and sacrifice are there, I would absolutely have her play h.s. sports. GDA isn't for the kid with her toe in the water or the parents.

Anonymous said...

And, top 02's I know that are getting serious interest from top level schools are doing GDA.

Anonymous said...

Does not matter if you play for a GDA or a National League team or ECNL, if you're good you will be noticed. Do you think college coaches now will only visit the few GDA teams? If you want to get a strong idea, at the next showcase just ask the coaches. Go to the source, most will just laugh and say we are looking for strong well rounded players that are coachable.

Anonymous said...

1:57 of course it doesn't matter. But if you read the Q&A they want players that can play the INTRERNATIONAL game not college their players playuing in college is a given. This is for players that want the red white and blue on their kit. Come on man it's simple they want the top players players playing against the best. 11 start with 3 subs so 14 players see the field per game and 10 watch the question is do they travel with the team even if they are not playing. Parents will need some thick skin.

No need to ask the coaches the GDA is built to create top international players it's that simple, so 10 months 4x training a week is a must in addition to 8 players playing the entire game.

Anonymous said...

So if you are an 02 and not top of the roster - you will not play a lot until the following year when they are older

Anonymous said...

As you can see playing in college is not the focus. Becasue if they are prepared for the international game they are prepared for the college game.

So if your kid doesn't not want to play for a NT don't waste her time and yours, this is for the serious players not the multi athletes or I want to play HS players.

Very simple Choice

Become elite and be happy or Be happy where you are and don't hate the kids that have the dream.

Like i said seeing the field will be a big plus for players 19-24 what they do with it will dictate what happens next.

Anonymous said...

sorry for the previous 4 posts

Now that's my 2 cents

Anonymous said...

Last fall my daughter was on a call with a college player who recently got drafted by nwsl. Her comment that stuck with my daughter was had she not played high school ball she would have probably quit soccer.

It will be interesting to see burn out stats from DA.

Im not saying my kid wont go DA but she wont go this year for sure.

Anonymous said...

How many juggles does a girl have to do to get on a GDA team?

Anonymous said...

4:08 Is your comment about being elite directed only towards the GDA players ? If so I think you will be mistaken . Many talented girls will not choose DA. If you need to convince yourself otherwise to feed your ego then I feel sorry for you and your daughter .

Anonymous said...

I am not that poster, but of course, some talented players won't go GDA. I would not say many. If you are a talented player and want to be the best you can be, well, like anything, you have to train and play against the best. It how you get better. And, not everyone wants to be their best in soccer, they are happy with being very good. Arm twisting either way isn't going to work. The GDA isn't for everyone. That is why it is so exclusive.

And, not choosing it does not mean that child isn't very good, it just means they didn't want to choose their soccer track that way.

Anonymous said...

GDA will cost a lot more than ECNL. Nice work us soccer, another feather in your crap. Oh, but there will be scholarships that we will pay for for the parents who can't afford it, although my daughter may be a better player. what else do you have for us?

Anonymous said...

What club are you referencing? I attending a meeting on Wednesday and the GDA cost is less than ECNL.

Anonymous said...

Welcome to club sports. It's expensive, but I heard some clubs will be less than their ECNL costs, too. Maybe you want to consider a different sport.

Anonymous said...

Looking at 2 myths: costs and play time.

If you look at the CS web site - they offer the DA program free to the top 2 age group - so the fees will depend from club to club. Also, every DA team is supposed to offer a certain % scholarships for those who need them.

I was also under impression that both ECNL as well as DA play international FIFA rules - but the difference is that DA also guarantees a certain playing time (as well as guaranteed 25% start). This is the key. ECNL is about winning and making money, DA is about developing. a 24 person ECNL team is a 13 person bench.

Coaches at one of the clubs are beginning to spread some interesting info:
- ECNL is forcing clubs to choose ECNL OR DA - but they cant do both
- DA forcing kids not to play HS (which is based on Boys' rules - not official for Girls) - I've heard otherwise
- DA forcing kids about participation in other activities - I also heard otherwise

Until official DA rules are set in stone, ECNL clubs will start spreading FUD. I don't expect DA to be smooth during the first 2 years, but once it gets going ECNL will most likely lose its E status and will just be CNL.

Anonymous said...

I thought the DA clubs have a certain $ they can offer their players per club aprrox 10 spots depending on the club some might be lower.

International FIFA rules in regards to subs - 3 per game no re-entry. ECNL has no re-entry in a half but all 7 can get in the game.

GDA Roster 24 - 18 Dress for game - 14 play
the 24 players start a minimum of 25% of their games.

ECNL Roster 24 - 18 Dress for game - 18 play
Some never start and some never play or play very little.

Both are about making money in my opinion as is every club - Rec soccer is all about the fun.

GDA is looking to identify players to play Internationally top of the pyramid so they are training that way. All players on a GDA team will be prepared to play in college.

ECNL is looking to identify college players and will promote their top players and not care about the the rest as they all can be replaced.

CNL or ENPL like the boys side.

Anonymous said...

12:16 - not sure about the future, but currently ECNL does not use international rules re substitutions. Our club plays everyone in every game. Not everyone gets the same time, but entire suited roster gets in. That won't happen in GDA. But, as others have noted, there is a guarantee amount of playing time that all rostered spots must see. ECNL was good idea, but went off the rails apparently.

Anonymous said...

US Soccer helped ECNL get is soccer cred. Now that's gone.

GDA expects to hit the ground running with immediate impact. US Soccer helped ECNL work through the pitfalls and is taking it's playbook back. Before it was ECNL vs. the rest as far as who was top of pyramid. Now, it's ECNL vs. rest as far as where they will ultimately fall in the pyramid.

Anonymous said...

What happens to those Elite players who are playing at private schools on scholarships ?

Anonymous said...

DA respects HS commitment for kids who are on scholarship per Boys' rules. I think the rules are getting loosened because of the interviews on the DA site.

Anonymous said...


Clubs with GDA won't let girls play high school soccer. Private school or no private school, you won't be able to do both.

Anonymous said...

3:36 - what happens? They continue to attend school.

Anonymous said...

12:09 am No shit Sherlock ! Where is the question or couldn't you comprehend all that ?

Anonymous said...

All lies

Anonymous said...

1139 has no clue, don't listen to anyone on this board, unless they back up with specifics directly from club DOC and the new head of GDA. And both can change daily, like it is now. PDA has already said complete different from above.

Anonymous said...

12:37 - why the anger? Clearly YOU didn't understand the response. They continue to attend. Each situation is different so can't give an all inclusive response. Most aren't receiving scholarship money just because of athletic prowess. Their brains have a lot to do with it as well. So, if they are a good student, doing well at the school, making the school proud, then I'm pretty sure all will continue the same.
In the interim, get a laxative and work out whatever is REALLY going on (or not) with you. Come back after you have felt some relief.

Anonymous said...

1139 - please tell us more, you know so much. This is not what PDA is saying. Are you the one telling people that clubs who take take DA have to let go of ecnl too? Last question, how late did you stay up waiting for people to respond to you?

Anonymous said...

Jeff Cup prediction--the teams that play the "best" kickball will win. Yes, Pipeline and Rush play kickball. The only difference between how they played when they were u8 and now is they're bigger, faster and stronger. No build up, no possession, no controlling the tempo, no soccer IQ, just random fast break attempts to get the ball down the field and toward the goal. Not their fault, it's the piss poor coaching we have in the US.

Anonymous said...

3:03

Does the Pipeline defense prevent other teams from scoring using methods you dont approve of as well?

Anonymous said...

Wait - let me guess -

the GK punts the ball too often.

Too funny.

Anonymous said...

Pipelines saving grace is their Defense. Offensively they rely on one player. If your daughters team has played them, you know who i mean.They are definitely beatable.

Anonymous said...

Penn Fusion is likely the best of Group B although I could see a 0-0 game between Pipeline/PF. East Meadow will likely take Group A but could be some good battles in that group.

Anonymous said...

Heard the PF ID event was mainly current club players. Anyone there?

Anonymous said...

I need clarification regarding playing high school soccer and GDA. Although I think i have the answers.

So my daughter plays private school girls soccer. Her high school season starts in late August and ends in November. I noticed the GDA schedule starts training in August with games starting the first weekend in September and ending the first weekend of December. My question is how will my daughter play both? How will receiving a waiver to play prep school girls soccer allow my daughter to do GDA as well? So my daughter can play prep high school soccer in the fall and then do spring GDA? And this will be ok that she misses the fall season? I feel my daughter should be able to do whatever she wants because she is better than the rest of the girls. I am sure the coaches of the DA won't have an issue with her missing half the DA season. I don't see an issue that the other girls are at all the GDA practices starting in August while my daughter comes in after the high school season and starts training after the DA break period in February. My baby should get a waiver since it is allowed by USSF and she is better than the rest of the girls. One would think that a top club wants their players all in or all out.....with the exception of my baby, she is going to get the waiver, she will be able to do both.

Anonymous said...

Hey dumb ass, all they care about is the one they want. If she is that good, she can play high school. You and your daughter can do what you want...

Anonymous said...

Nobody puts Baby in a corner

Anonymous said...

doesn't take this dude to long to respond, just like last night...

Anonymous said...

Yeah sure, she can rejoin the GDA team after HS soccer no problem, she can get her starting spot back too! Not only that, you guys don't have to pay a dime, or even come to practice!!! I even heard that your daughter is getting g a full-ride to Stanford or Duke, or both!!!!

Anonymous said...

Nobody put baby in a corner; it ended up that we didn’t even need to come on this blog for advice. The DOC at the GDA called us out of the blue. We didn’t even ask for the USSF wavier; it was offered to us. He said she is so special, the most special and because our daughter is so special, much more special than the rest of the girls, she can pick and choose what she wants to attend. He said not only can she skip all the fall GDA games and practices, she doesn’t have to pay and doesn’t have to wear the practice outfit! So while all your public school daughters have to attend 100% of all GDA events, our special daughter won’t. We hope everything works out for all of you like it did for us.

Anonymous said...

The DOC has the ability to choose and can be for multiple reasons. If your kid is good enough, she can make her own choices and the doc will be okay. Not sure if you know this, but a large percentage of the coaches disagree with the no HS rulle. They know it's not great soccer, but they also know it's a huge part of these young women's lives. It should be her choice, not what daddy and the GDA wants.

Anonymous said...


The point is the DOC or club won't let kids to both, they can't. It opens up a can of worms they don't want to deal with. You won't find quality programs letting kids do HS and DA. It will be one or the other.

Anonymous said...

6:13 - it appeared that there were a good amount of newbies, but not really a good weekend for it. It's a weekend that kids take school visits or they are playing in Pres. Day's tourneys (ECNL event in TX). Lastly, anyone currently on another ECNL team can't try out until after May 1st unless they get a release from their current club. Can't imagine anyone doing that with the entire season in front of you. Another in May. I imagine that one will be well attended.

Anonymous said...

Oh and I heard a few kids had to opt out due to illness. It's been a horrible season for flu. Let's go Spring.

Anonymous said...

I really don't get the back and forth between GDA and ECNL.

Think back in the days - kids played club then tried out for ODP. The BDA came around and said why don't we make ODP year round and include more players, so instead of USYS running the show the USSF took over with the BDA. Nothing was done on the girls side so the ECNL was formed to do what the BDA did for boys,with one major difference:

BDA >>> College >>> Pro >>> NT
ECNL >>> College >>> NT (not to many girls go pro)

Years past and the USSF saw the cash cow that is girls soccer is and of course the other countries in the world are almost equal now and most play a better game just don't have the athletes we do so the GDA was formed.

just like BDA kicked ODP to the curb, the GDA is kicking ODP and the ECNL to the curb. The USSF or the United State Soccer Federation is the top of the pyramid for any kid with big dreams!

Anonymous said...

"Not too many girls go pro"

MORE every year

Anonymous said...

Soccer has made acronyms marketable. It's exhausting to try to keep up and expensive.

Anonymous said...

What about the girl who as a junior or even a sophomore already has a college commitment? Why go GDA? College is the more realistic goal and it may already be in reach. Have fun, save time and money and stay HS/ECNL.

Anonymous said...

Seems like some are nervous about their high school programs, now. Anyone who wants to play high level, will likely not play high school. Why is this such a shock? The boys have been doing this for years.

Anonymous said...

And look where it's gotten them.

Anonymous said...

More torn ACLs per game in ECNL/DA or in high school play?

Just curious

I know nobody will have an exact answer but what do you think?

Anonymous said...

Until I see our Men's national team compete international I firmly believe USSF DA programs are failures. With that said just focus your own and your daughter's energy on finding and playing at a good college system.

Becuase 10 years from now women's soccer will mirror the failure of the Men's side.

Anonymous said...

and you should focus on spelling.

Anonymous said...

Players who are committing as Freshman and Sophomores will most likely be pushed by their college coaches to play DA. The colleges will want them to play with higher level players on a constant basis. With the DA, it is no longer necessary to play with your HS team, because club ball doesn't start until late October. Stronger players need to play with stronger players to be challenged.

Anonymous said...

1:00 pm - i agree with you, but all I am saying is no one has any uproar anymore about the boys not playing high school.

Soccer is unique in that club is where kids go that want to play beyond high school. Unlike soccer, some sports still have college coaches that come to high school games because they don't have sophisticated club levels or no club levels at all.

High school soccer is going to go back to back yard soccer, unfortunately.

Anonymous said...

High school soccer sucks. There's no quality to it. It's for the girls to want to play with friends and see their names in the paper. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that if that's what they want. It depends on what level they want to play after high school.

Anonymous said...


The college does not care if they are playing ECNL or DA.

Certainly the message at PF on the boys side is you don’t need the DA to go on to play D-I college soccer. The same will be said of the GDA, since college players will continue to come mainly from ECNL and GDA programs.

Anonymous said...

All I can say is WOW!
Haven't read this blog in a while...so it was fun to catch up but the last few days have been ridiculous!
Your daughter can choose where she wants to play, end of it!
If you don't like the rules with one program, find another....simple and done!

Anonymous said...

8:53 - on the boys' side, USYS still has merit. But, with ECNL, now it will drop in level of play. But your top commits come from the DA for the boys.
It will be the same for the girls, too. Will ECNL gals still get recruited? Of course. But it will be the GDA vs. ECNL, USYS and NPL. Where do you think most coaches are starting their search?

Anonymous said...

@3:36 pm - interesting. What about injuries in general like high ankle sprains, stress fractures, concussions, broken or sprained arms and wrists?
I see more of these injuries in high school than club. And sometimes these high ankle sprains are the worse as far as healing properly.
Many are as a result of the horrible refs allowing play to become mortal combat than soccer and overuse from 5 days of training followed by 4 days of back to back games.

Anonymous said...

7:42

It's not just HS soccer, it's all HS sports they will have to give up. Many of these girls are multi sport phenomenal athletes. USSF is asking, these girls to give up a big part of their adolescence, to emulate a system that is failing on the boys side.

HS ECNL teams mostly shut down or limit training over the fall. If you want to play school ball, great. If you want to take three months off, great. If you want to skip high school ball and pay someone for additional training for three months, great. Not sure why this isn't an option. Most college coaches are too busy during their own season to come watch many games anyway. Focus on the other 9 months and let the girls just have fun with their friends for 3 months.

Anonymous said...

Not all sports. Each club decides. Our club is fine with winter sports.
Again, choose what you want. They aren't going to change the rules for you.
Nobody is "forcing" anyone. This isn't Obama care.

Anonymous said...

Of course they're forcing her. If my kid wants to play in the so-called top-tier and play high school ball, too bad, USSF is forcing her to choose.

Anonymous said...

The other big issue with the DA is how many girls will choose other sports rather than commit at U12 to soccer. I see this as the greatest long-term downside of the DA.

The best athletes, the one that shine at multiple sports, will continue to play many sports, just not soccer. So now, soccer gets the most committed athletes, but not the best. This is how the GDA will emulate the Boys DA.

Anonymous said...

10:54
She knows the rules of both options beforehand and then chooses.
She's not being forced.

Anonymous said...

Again, she is still being FORCED to chose. If she's good enough to play DA(and she is) makes it to all practices/games etc. what business is it of theirs what she does with the rest of her time? If they give her a scholarship, maybe. But otherwise it's her time and she should be free to spend it how she chooses, and if that's with her friends playing school ball, then that's her choice. This is still America right?

Anonymous said...

:)
So she can therefore choose to not play DA. No one is forcing her to play DA.
You're teaching her "victim" thinking.

Anonymous said...

So you think your daughter can practice and play games everyday after school plus saturdays sometimes and then also train 4 times per week with the DA?

Anonymous said...

Some of the issue is that hs soccer is not the same season uniformly. Maybe if regions had the same hs soccer seasons, that could be an option for the future. Basketball is universally played in the winter. Softball in the spring. Field hockey & cross country in the fall; indoor during winter season and outdoor during spring.

Soccer, lacrosse, volleyball, golf, etc. hs seasons seem to vary based on regions and leagues.

Anonymous said...

indoor track in winter and outdoor track in spring

Anonymous said...

11:35
No, I'm teaching her to be strong independent young women who refuses to let anyone tell her she can't do something. Quite the opposite.

Anonymous said...

Agreed
My daughter will tryout this spring, make the academy team. She will then wait for the first day of play for GDA and march in protest wearing a soccer ball around her head (the vagina costume got wet)
She will then pursue throwing javelin in the spring, as a track&field school star. This will definitely help her as the no.1 striker on her team.
My bad, she may have some birthday parties to attend instead of playing top region 1 games, as the future Mia.

Anonymous said...

11:35
So 2 training sessions per day or a game and a training session during the week and one game per weekend? She's been doing that for the last 3 falls since Jr High. And then she comes home and shoots hoops in the driveway. And if you think that's just too much, maybe check out the training/game schedule of the colleges your kid is looking into.

But again, my preference would be for Clubs, ECNL, DA etc to shut down over the fall. Maybe we could get those club coaches to coach HS and improve the coaching there as well. Win/Win

Anonymous said...

I assume you meant 11:43
Read again...I mentioned the school ball schedule and then ADDED the GDA training.
Nearly impossible to do both.

Anonymous said...

12:39 - sure but not all kids play hs in fall. That is the problem.

Anonymous said...

Yes I am aware . A state like VA would either switch to fall or the DAs located in that state would take a break in the spring. 9 months for DA training, 3 months school ball, off, or whatever. Doesn't matter which season it's just taking Club off in fall makes more sense for recruiting reasons. Again it's basically what ECNL does. There's a reason they(ECNL) didn't go this route, it's because they got a lot of negative feedback every time it was Brought up. Now it's going to be their biggest "selling point" in what will be a battle for top players.

Anonymous said...

DA teams play each other. They can't just choose what season of school ball and quit playing...

Anonymous said...

Of course they can. I believe Connecticut has rules against their student athletes playing club ball at the same time school ball is being played. So the ECNL teams simply play their entire league schedule during the other nine months. Even if a team you need to schedule a game with takes a different season off, you still have 6 months you are both playing to schedule the game. But it's a moot point as I'm sure USSF has little intention on doing this.

Anonymous said...

12:48
Not impossible at all. School ball training or games run 3-4:30 M-F. Club practice runs 7:30-9 M-R. That's 3 hours in between to eat and do homework. No club practice on Friday night so plenty of time to go to the home football game or hang out the mall. GDA play 1 game per weekend and with 28 girls rostered and only 14 playing most girls will only see the field once every 2-3 week(fun!). So there's most of the weekend off to hang out and take care of larger school projects. What's the problem? It's only for 12 weeks.

Of course the ECNL gives our girls basically off for those 12 weeks understanding how important the social aspects of playing school ball are, especially for girls. The USSF is failing to recognize this.

Anonymous said...

Getting this info from the U14(2003) blog is this true about Cedar Stars about applying for a 2nd Girls DA team for next year.

"CSA is taking over lots of clubs in NJ any NY - and soon will most likely be getting another DA license to play in both Monmouth as well as Bergen counties (Ramsey?). They have money and the National Team coach on staff. They get what they want."

Anonymous said...

Big GDA news coming out of Orangeburg, its big, big, big....

Anonymous said...

It's huuuuuge
To most previous posters
Play school ball
Done
Stop whining

Anonymous said...

When asked if forbidding girls from playing HS ball by the new GDA was a good idea Anson Dorrance said "No". Sorry but I'll take his opinion over the fools at the USSF any day.

Anonymous said...

Every coach I have spoke to says the same thing, including DOC of PDA.

Anonymous said...

Dorrance is still upset at ussf for red shirt ordeal last fall

Anonymous said...


I don't care either way, but boys DA programs have training pretty much right after school. Most boys DA programs can start training at 5pm, sometimes earlier for teams with players that are able to drive to training. The DA coaches love it because they are able to leave training by 7:30-8pm. One DA team is required to train on a half field with the coaching staff (more than one coach). There is a very good chance that teams U16 and older will train in the early time slot and the younger teams in the 6:00pm or later. U18 and U16 teams in the 5-6:30pm and U14 and U12 teams in the 6:30-8pm slot. Ask people that play for PDA, Continental or Union boys DA programs when they train. I am pretty certain the DA teams have the early time slots. Also, the DA will not let you play high school and DA in the same season if you get a waiver. The USSF rule is you cannot do both in the same season.

Anonymous said...

Did all these GDA clubs think they would be able to keep their teams in the ECNL too? Like the ECNL wants their B teams. Sounds like the ECNL is saying you're either all in or out to most clubs. There are a number of clubs that are going to have to make a decision. I would bet you will see a few more pull a Match Fit before it's all settled. The ECNL is THE place to get your kid top college exposure and they aren't going to give up the mantle easily. Even upped the ante by starting a boys league. And for every PF that drops out a BRYC will climb on board. But financially speaking, how does a club go from 4 ECNL teams with 25 girls paying 3000 each ($300,000), down to 2 GDA teams with 28 girls and, after 10 scholarships, 18 per team paying $3000 each($108,000)? Who's making up the $192,000 difference? USSF covers about 1 scholarship per team on the boys side. The NWSL is barely hanging on. The NPL players are now demoted to the C league, so I doubt they are going to be willing to pay more to supplement the GDA. Coaches taking a pay cut? Ha! And wait till some of these parents realize their kid only gets to dress for 1 game every other weekend or worse, shell out a couple hundred to travel to an away game overnight that their kid doesn't even get to play in. And for that they are supposed to give up being stars on their HS teams and hope that maybe they get the same exposure they would be guaranteed in the ECNL? Good luck! This whole thing will likely be in an Obama Care type death spiral in 3 years and set back women's soccer in this country a decade. But hey, what do I care, my kid will be in college by then.

Anonymous said...

Maybe we should have a separate DA blog. This is getting old already.

Anonymous said...

Sounds like any player desiring to pursue either venue, ecnl or da should contact the club in question and ask some questions.
Everyone here has their own opinion and that's all it comes down to. Make the best decision for your daughter and move on with it.
Not one person here reading this blog is going to change their mind reading the nay sayers for either side. Just like facebook posts don't change your mind politically. You can read and move one or read and reply defensively trying to be right bc you have the only answer that is correct!
I have read any good, factual statements about the gda and have also read many things that are just opinions. All good, just pick one and go!!

Anonymous said...

Good idea. Hey blog administrator, can you do this as above suggested? Thank you!

On the person railing against GDA, it's not for everyone. No need to impune. So, for those of us that will be exploring it for our kids because that is what they want to do and the sacrifices they are willing to make, see you on the new GDA blog.

Anonymous said...

I also am sick of the same talk. Go with whatever your daughter wants, end of story. Who cares what anyone else does. My daughter will be playing DA but no one else should care about that and I could care less what anyone else's kid is doing.

Can we please start a new discussion? Maybe Jeff cup? Predictions are always fun.

Anonymous said...

So the top division has been discussed, let's look at 3rd, Elite Black

http://events.gotsport.com/events/schedule.aspx?EventID=53446&GroupID=540926&Gender=Girls&Age=16

Thoughts and opinions?
Big region 1 presence

Anonymous said...

10:11

DA teams/conferences are set

70 clubs

Anonymous said...

Re: NPL and being "C league"

With the top ECNL players going academy, who says NPL conferences like NYCSL and EDP dont take a run at ECNL in terms of talent level?

I'd put many of the current U16s in NPL against Match Fit and the newer ECNL additions in the northeast.

Anonymous said...

That’s great, but this is a u15 blog, that includes the Jeff Cup post.

Anonymous said...

Goes for U15 as well

20 Jersey kids, 40 in NYE from U15s going academy.

Anonymous said...

Jefferson Cup 2017

Championship Winner: SJEB Rush 02
Elite Orange Winner: North United FC
Elite Black Winner: South Shore Select

Anonymous said...

PAC
North United
South Shore

Anonymous said...

Yes I agree PAC will come out on top in the top division. They were strong at U14 and retained many of the 02 players with additions. Most likely the strongest U15 team in the PA area PDA will take the other side. Great match to watch PAC vs PDA.

Anonymous said...

Chanpionship - CLEVELAND

Elite Orange - OALWOOD

Elite Black - SUSA ISA

Anonymous said...

Heh - OAKWOOD - my bad

Anonymous said...

9:12
Source? Link?

Anonymous said...

Change of subject, has anyone heard anything about the new recruiting changes in DI re contact with proposed recruit? Have they been approved and when will they be implemented?

Anonymous said...

www.ussoccerda.com/girls-academy

Anonymous said...

11:18 - check US Soccer and the DA website. It's on there.

Anonymous said...

www.ussoccerda.com/girls-academy-club-directory

Anonymous said...

Thanks, my bad
I thought there was new info. Seen this

Anonymous said...

The GDA couldn't find anyone with more experience to head the program?

Anonymous said...

Rosie O'Donnell wasn't available
She's on her way to Canada

Anonymous said...

I love the Rush parent predicting the BIG win at Jeff Cup! I think Rush is going to get crushed!

Anonymous said...

@12:16 - she has a lot of international experience and has been around the game forever. It's a solid pick. She is going to get the girls ready to play overseas as well.
And, wants to promote the leadership roles as far as girls and coaching. Most likely, future college and academy head coaches will come from these GDA ladies. It's probably a soccer distinction that will be needed on one's resume at some point.

Anonymous said...

I guess the head of ECNL turned them down.

Anonymous said...

Just read up on her, this is what took them over a year to find? I have been around the game forever too, you wouldn't want me running this train wreck.

Anonymous said...

10:36- PAC and PDA are in the same Group. Only one will go to championship.

Group A is loaded, Group B teams not as exciting. A- it'll be a battle for sure. B- no clue really. Not familiar with SJEB 02 team.

Anonymous said...

100% a team from B wins the final.

Anonymous said...

Who? No chance

Anonymous said...

Sounds like World Class won't be fielding GDA teams in the fall either. Going to farm them out to NYCFC so they can keep their ecnl teams and the $ they bring in. We'll see how many of the other ecnl clubs have a change of heart now that the ecnl has given them an ultimatum that they can't do both.

Anonymous said...

ECNL gave that ultimatum some time ago.

Anonymous said...

Just saw Whitney Engen is walking away from the Boston Breakers and Carli Lloyd just signed a pro contract with Manchester city. Top players continue to retire or defect to Europe on an almost weekly basis. At this rate I'm not even sure how long the NWSL holds on.

Anonymous said...

Yes but every club thought they were going to make exceptions.

Anonymous said...

The WCFC and NYCFC partnership must be the big news that was mentioned previously, very interesting development. If true, that sets up a whole new dynamic for the GDA, in that perhaps other MLS clubs will get involved, or perhaps NYCFC will start a NWSL franchise in a few years. For any female player with aspiration of pro, or NT exposure, this has got to be the place to be. There will be dozens of college scouts at their showcase games, with scholarships in-hand.

Anonymous said...

Have never heard about the ecnl rule. We were told that girls can move up from ecnl to play GDA during fall when others leave to play HS. And there could be as many as 7 allowed to play HS Ball and will be approved by DOC.

Anonymous said...

There will be no NWSL in a few years, it's not federal funded. Even if it stays around, it's a part time, low paying job. After college only chance to continue dream is natl team. All this for thirty spots among tens of thousands of elite players over ten years plus of age groups. And very subjective in the end. Think college as a realistic end game,

Anonymous said...

I agree, there is no future for 99% of all female players past college, so the GDA is just an additional revenue stream for USSF, nothing more. ECNL will continue to be the top league in this country for the near future, and my daughter is more than happy where she is, even if her HS team sucks, she likes the other girls, and its not that bad being the best player in her school, as a freshman.

Anonymous said...

Narcissism is a beautiful thing!
Plus she may get her name in the paper!!! Yay!

Anonymous said...

7:57, spoken like a real man, push your CPAC morals on everyone else, FU : )

Anonymous said...

haha, just put a smiley face after FU and it's all good!
The political butt hurt comes out everywhere!!!

Anonymous said...

7:43 - somebody has to stand out in high school. I run into some that peaked in high school. "glory days" I normally tip them well.

Anonymous said...

And they probably put a little "extra" in your food.

Anonymous said...

HOLD ON, SLOW DOWN!!! Yes, their are huge opportunities over seas for professional soccer for our young girls. remember that. It is much bigger over seas, number one in all time slots, stadiums are packed, sold out, Germany, South America, even Mexico sells out many games. The girls side can be an option for women soccer players over seas to continue a career.

Anonymous said...

Something tells me that Mexico and Germany may not be all that welcoming to Americans wanting to work there for the time being. Better plan on sticking it out in the "great again" old usa.

Anonymous said...

12:28 - kind of hard to do as the uber driver.

Anonymous said...

@12:49 - agreed. And, may be why WNT players are heading overseas, too.

Anonymous said...

1228 Ha Thus the reason why NWSL players are going over seas not because better training because more $. Uber Drivers make more money than the a NWSL player.

Anonymous said...

Why would you not go and play the game you love for better money?
These ladies are also going to some good clubs overseas
Especially if you're shoe in for NT already

Anonymous said...

You are talking top players with a NT rep. Not true for others - but each has an individual story.

"The minimum salary for an NWSL player is $6,842 for the course of the six-month season; the maximum is $37,800, made primarily by international-level players. The team salary cap for 20 players is $265,000, which doesn’t include the top U.S., Canadian and Mexican players who play on club teams but whose salaries are paid by their respective federations." YES the USSF pays their salary and you want GDA to be free also?

"WSL from anywhere from £5000-£10000 on the lower spectrum for players who aren't professional up to around the £35,000 mark for the top earners. “The majority of centrally contracted players earn about £20,000 from their clubs, but there are players in the WSL who are on as little as £50 a week”.

German "Clubs provide players with jobs. So it is hard differentiate what they earn from playing at what they get from their other jobs. Most players probably can get a long with their pay but there's not much left for after the career."

"Sweden may be a candidate for point 3 since female Soccer players earn about the same as in Germany and France"

"In France l'equipe had a great article about the economy of women's football.
Number of professional player is 96 out of 234 in the Division 1 feminine.
Highest wage is 17 000€/month for Lotta Schelin average wage is 3 700€ per month.
The average wage figure is distorted by the PSG and OL contracts, without those 2 teams the avarage wage is below 1 000€ per month"

Anonymous said...

My point is they are going over seas for the quality of play not the money or maybe the money for some.

Untile they come up with a World league

NWSL - North American Conference
UEFA - European Conference
Japan - Asian Conference

take the top 2 teams every year and play a champions league with some serious $$$ payouts the womesn game will never get paid. What I just would be easy for TV and stadiums would be full if you market the right way. But then again I have an idea for pro/rel in the USA also for the MLS. MLS1 = 18 teams and MLS2 relegate 6 of the 24 teams from MLS1 and add the 12 cities that want an expansion team - two leagues of 18 teams. Work out a revenue sharing plan first to pay back teams their expansion fees then add MLS3 and let teams earn the revenue earned. Simple.

Anonymous said...

Carli and Alex both are headed overseas. Both, were on the "Equal Pay" campaign for US Mens v. Women's team. Funny, how both crossed the pond but each is getting 7 figures. Now, the pay is not wrapped up in team salary. Signing bonus, appearance fees, european sponsors not counting US sponsors. Carli and Alex are both huge draws in Europe. Carli is the FIFA player of the year! More players are going to head over. Look for Hope Solo to be next. She is in Europe now "vacationing!"

Anonymous said...

They deserve 7 figures
Hope is also far away from cops and courtrooms in Europe :)

Anonymous said...

plenty of opportunity for ladies in future years. Coaching, training, any college coach or asst coach is going to make decent money. And they can also play wpsl, or whatever, nwsl. Then train, coach on the side. One team can create revenue of $5-$10,000 per year in training and coaching, maybe more if a doc or private training. A ladies soccer career certainly go on and on till you retire especially now that more ladies are playing. look at u16, u15 etc.
AD positions, so on and so forth.

Anonymous said...

And Yes, Hope will find a home in Europe I believe. 7 figures, sure, why not. girls love soccer like boys. hence why we are on this blog.

Anonymous said...

HaHa pay to play to train in U.S. from youth levels only to move on over seas. Do I see something wrong with that picture. Isn't it the other way around for other sports in the U.S. players flock to our professional teams Hockey, Basketball, Baseball. Again you people are looking at it all backwards. Build up the soccer brand here in the U.S. pay the women a better market value and market the MLS/NWSL better.

Build it and they will come!

Anonymous said...

Why rob a bank? "Thats where the money is!" Why play overseas? Thats where the money is!! Simple terms. Longevity in professional soccer is short. Go to where soccer is loved!!! Why do you think baseball players defect from their own countries to play here... TO GET PAID!!! They did build it, and they came but they built baseball and not soccer. Then we took the word football, the worldwide term for our beloved sport and gave it a new identity with helmets, pads, and an oblong ball that cannot be dribbled and paying these players millions. Oh well!! Have great weekend!

Anonymous said...

Jeff Cup Predictions:

Championship
NJEB Rush over PDA
Very tough call, like Pipeline a lot...

Elite Orange
North United over NJ Wildcats
CASL ECNL is the darkhorse here...

Elite Black
South Shore over NJ Crush
HMMS has had a rough year, can they rebound...

Anonymous said...

Lol Rush your smoking crack. How about stop fantasizing and making predictions and let the girls play and then come in this stupid form and say wow great job girls!

Anonymous said...

Agree with Rush - they are playing well again after the age group change. PDA should be a good challenge though.

Anonymous said...

Here's my prediction. Rush doesn't make it out of the bracket.

Anonymous said...

Isnt that the same Rush that Pipeline and PAC both beat at Bethesda?

Anonymous said...

Same team went 10-3 since then losing once to a lower ranked team.

Penn fusion and pipeline are within .5 ranking points - they have a good chance of winning too.

Anonymous said...

10am, why don’t you just take your soccer ball, and go home, no one wants to play with you...

Anonymous said...

What points?
Got soccer?
Really believe you are that good?
What happened last year when you went out west and played real teams?

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