Thursday, January 23, 2014

U13G / U13 Girls Youth Soccer

U13G  / U13 Girls youth soccer seems to offer the most teams and the widest diversity of talent.

Where these players will end up is anyone guess.

Welcome to the ride.

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Anonymous said...

you must have missed the ajax consolation game. It was 2-1 until about a minute left. with a few minutes left wildcats went to 3 backs to push for tie and gave up last minute counter goal.
If that is destroyed than so be it.
Wildcats tied for 1st in bracket and lost shootout to Legacy to determine who advanced to semi out of toughest bracket at spirit. Legacy scored in final minutes to pull out tie vs wildcats in deciding bracket game and force shootout. then Legacy routed Penn fusion 5-1 in semi.

Anonymous said...

Ajax was in weaker bracket at Spirit than Wildcats. I'm sure they used "floaters" there too. LOL

Anonymous said...

The question becomes: How many Wildcats will be at PDA tryouts come April.

Anonymous said...

April?

Anonymous said...

Big fast striker from pda dragons just got released from pda and joined wildcats today.
Looks like movement is in other direction.
also wildcats new midde from cal pre-ecnl club in bay area arrived and is also now carded.
She played up in U13 pre-ecnl for Pleasanton Rage U13's as a U12 last year. Choose wildcats over MatchFit.
both eligible to play in state cup, tournaments and EDL league.
Keep dreaming of wildcats demise.

Anonymous said...

Players choosing wildcats u13 team over pda and matchfit, OUCH.

Anonymous said...

Well if they can't cut it at PDA or MF then Wildcats is a good 3rd option

Anonymous said...

How do the current players on WC feel about others coming in mid season that are going to take playing time away from what they signed up for this year. May not be such a welcome for some?

Anonymous said...

No different than pda storm picking up 3 players last winter mid year.
No team on this blog would pass on talented players who can strengthen their roster if they have open spots.
You are reaching 11:10 but it was a nice try. Not exactly mid season now either as league play for wildcats has not even started yet.At least all 17 wildcats will dress each game and not be left home and off roster for any events. Can't say the same for pda and matchfit.

Anonymous said...

11:14 is right.
All these teams will pick up talented players whenever the opportunity arises.
some clubs will do so even if they already have 18 or more rostered and will move existing rostered players to alternate status to make room for talented newcomers. Expecting your playing time and the pecking order on a squad at this level to be in some way guaranteed or protected for the entire year when you sign on is very naive.

Anonymous said...

the competition for spots and playing time at the highest level is a never ending reality.Your child must constantly compete to earn and hold onto their role.
Their will always be someone new coming along to try and take your spot.
That will continue to be the case as they get older and of course continue into college for those who reach that level as players.When you join one of these teams this is in fact what you and your child have signed up for.
there are no guarantees.

Anonymous said...

which is why we are there. This is the age when the real players start to separate from the pretenders.



Anonymous said...

I think it's kind of refreshing that some talented players are choosing options other than the big 2 clubs, where you are part of a roster of 22-26 players and have anywhere from 4 to 7 players left off roster and home for each game/event. there is something to be said for knowing you will dress and play in every game for your confidence, game experience and development.
To each his own.

Anonymous said...

Have some ajax parents really been told they will eventually be going to the north team.Only to have players that just came to the team get to move instead?

Anonymous said...

The whole concept of expanded rosters beyond 18 is nothing but a money grab by the big clubs and a meat grinder for all but the handful of kids at the top of the roster of each of these teams.
For the rest it is the weekly stress of working just as hard as everyone else in training and then waiting to see if they will dress or be left out and home for each weekends event and/or trip.This as we have seen first hand is demoralizing for the player and their confidence and over time will often sap their passion for the sport.
And each player added above 18 has their entire monthly dues check go right to the bottom line-net profit column for the club.
After all the fixed costs of running the team do not change whether you have the traditional 18 or expand to 22 to 24 players or more.
That is one trainer and 1 field for each training session, 1 coach and 1 field for each game, 1 entry fee for each team for each tournament and each league they enter, and 1 set of referees for each game.
Come on we all know it is hard enough to keep a roster of 18 happy with their role and playing time.
Many of the best teams over the years have had rosters of 15 to 17 and done just fine and everyone played a decent amount of minutes. Youth soccer has been around for many years and carrying up to the maximum limit of 18 that can dress and play for each game was always plenty.
Now figure an extra 4 to 6 players above 18 players means an extra 10 to 15K in additional net profit from dues for EACH TEAM in these clubs.
Now with 2 teams in each age group and 10 age groups on both the girls and boys side we are talking 500k to 600K of additional net profit per year for each of these clubs.
Do you have any doubt why they are pushing this.
The amazing thing is we are all falling for this BS.

Anonymous said...

PDA and MF have one pitch and WC coach another. Agree that rostering over 18 is a money grab ana its also a way to keep players away from other teams. But I think WC coach would do the same if he could. Just sayin

Anonymous said...

Rostering more than 18 players per team at this age group is absolutely ridiculous! I highly doubt the coaches want any part of that. It is an extra level of aggravation to deal with managing the parents, the kids. It's hard enough managing playing time for players 16-18. That comes from the club. You are right we are allowing it because we want them to be part of something but it is in many ways at the expense of our kids if they are not at the top end. It's always about the money and as long as people are willing to pay it will only get worse.

Anonymous said...

If my kid was not at the top end of an ecnl club, we would be playing for another team. You and your kid have to enjoy the ride through youth soccer and the only way to do that is for your kid to play. it is a money grab. but parents want the ecnl designation even if they are getting 30% playing time.

Other thing, is a prefer a particular style of soccer that doesn't come easy in these parts.

Anonymous said...

7:55 One question thing for sure will be answered, is your kid a fit for that team? Work harder and earn a spot or this level is not for you?

Very Simple. Sometimes you have 22-26 girls that have the skill set to play for a team. The ones that stick are the kids that work hard and improve. If they are improving I don't see an issue, if they go into a shell then it's time to leave,

Once the season is over If your kid was at the end of the roster your kid has some tough decisions. Stay and maybe go through the same thing again or maybe move into the main rotation and never sit or find another team.

We as parents know what's happening we just have to stay positive and supportive if our kid made the choice to play for the team. If we are negative, well no good can come from that and this is where this board comes into play. It's a good way to let off some steam without attacking anyone.

Anonymous said...

To 11:14. Not reaching, just saying. It may not be in the mid year break but the team has been formed, training in process, money collected and expectations set so the new players change the landscape and will not sit well with some. Not saying the WC did anything wrong. You should always want to improve the team and yes at least it doesn't push the roster over 18.

Anonymous said...

Where did the new players at WC shift over from?

Anonymous said...

@827. At the WC level of soccer. This is the life you have chosen. It is the same at any ecnl team. If you don't take the player another ecnl club will. Especially if she is a starter. Clubs are trying to put their rosters together to get ready for u14, when a player comes along , you grab her.

Anonymous said...

8:24 very simple you say?
Can we hear from some of the parents who have experienced their child being left off the roster for an event their team attended?
How did you feel when you saw your child, head down slowly and dejectedly walking off the field after finding out they would not be travelling, dressing or playing in that weekends event with their teammates, while their friends/teammates excitedly talked about their upcoming exciting weekend trip together? Anyone who has been cut from a team or had their child ever cut from a team they had their heart set on making can attest to the devastating effect it can have on a child.
It sure seems like this being left off and left home is exactly the experience a child goes through when getting cut from a team. Except you can only get "cut from a team" once a year at tryouts: but this "cut" can happen over and over multiple times over the course of the year.
I would love to hear a parent who has been through their kid being left home about how their "CHIL handled it" ."Work harder and earn a spot" you say.
Isn't that what your child did when they were chosen for the team at tryouts?
Is it healthy for your 12 year old to experience the anxiety of am I playing or not, rostering or not, travelling or not, as an every week occurrence? Pretty stressful for a child it seems. And you say "stay supportive if your "kid" made the choice to play for this team"?
How many of you can say it's not at least partly about your own ego?
How much did you influence your child to have them end up in this position with this team/club?
The traditional working each week to earn playing time and working to start is stressful enough for children, without adding maybe I'll dress or not and maybe I'll travel or not to the equation. NPL only allows 18 players to dress and sit on the players bench/sideline during games, so what do the players left out do for home games? Do they watch the game in street clothes from the parents sidelines? Or maybe they are too embarrassed/humiliated so they just don't show up to the games when left out.Do the coaches obligate them to be there when left off as part of the team? And what of the players parents? Do they also show up when their child doesn't make the "cut" for that week?

Anonymous said...

9-09 what level? You are full of it.

Anonymous said...

920. Please explain.

Anonymous said...

958 is Giddy Cat guy.

Anonymous said...

9:13 - 8:24 here I speak from experience and let me tell you something watching - well it's the hardest thing to do. Most don't experience that and I hope they don't.

SUPPORT, DAMAGE CONTROL and STAY POSITIVE if your kid loves the sport things will work themselves out.



Anonymous said...

9:57 thanks for your honesty.
If what you say is indeed true than what possible reason to put your child and your family through this type of agony and stress on a weekly basis.
So you think this is the way to develop your child as a young 12 year old player?
So you think this is somehow building their belief in their own self worth, self confidence and ability as a player and a young lady? How is this affecting their self esteem.
You are allowing your child to be used as a pawn in a pyramid scheme by these clubs to raise their bottom line $$$.
As a parent you should be ashamed you would allow your child to be used, disrespected and discarded in this manner. Each and every time they are not chosen it is a heartbreaking event in your child's life.
At least when being cut at a tryout your child can walk away from that team and group of friends/teammates.
Out of sight out of mind.
On the other hand in this expanded roster scam your child is facing ostracism, separation from their "better" teammates and being told they are not good enough regularly while still showing up for every practice working just as hard as their teammates and feeling more and more inadequate as this process repeats itself over the course of time.

Anonymous said...

7:53 your comment makes no sense.
NO COACH, not the coaches at pda and matchfit or ANY other club want or are the driving force behind these expanded rosters.
Having 23 or 24 players is a major headache for any coach and those added players are on the bubble anyway and not at the level of the teams core starters. therefore finding playing time for them and finding events where they can roster them without leaving their team weakened and vulnerable in that event is a constant challenge.
This is strictly a club driven concept being pushed to expand revenues further for the club at the expense of the children.
Guaranteed this new experiment will not end well for the girls or for youth soccer moving forward.

Anonymous said...

This is new to us, but it hurts very much watching your child sit the bench for 3/4's of a game.

We made the mistake and are living the dreadful dream right now. There is no way to explain it to your child!

We will live it out this season and then will leave and find a new home.

The saddest thing is we had no idea. The coach fed us a bunch of silver linings, and once the season came upon us, (and our check was cashed), it was a 180 degree turn. Now we are told our child is struggling, needs improvement, etc...

Our daughter is a good player, always was, this is an excellent team, she fits in, but of course the play is new to her. We were never told that the learning and growing pains would include traveling 2+ hours to every game just to watch our child sit the bench and get about 15 minutes of play time.

All the girls on the team are great girls.

Please, be careful with your decisions on teams. And dont listen to those coaches before the season. This coach plays the same 6 girls almost the whole game. Are they great, yes, they are great kids, but great players, they are good! After talking to some of the parents, I found out that these 6 girls have been playing whole games for ever. And yes, they struggle towards the end of every half, because they are just that tired, but the coach will never take them out.

It was a huge mistake by us, it has completely deflated my child, and several other kids that are in the same situation.

I dont screw up often, but this was a big one! Absolutely pissed at myself for not seeing this or asking the right questions!

Anonymous said...

Agreed. how about now there are "expanded rosters" of 22 or more even on the "B" Teams at PDA.
After all these B teams don't compete in ecnl. Guess once they got it over on the ecnl teams parents they couldn't resist trying it on the non-ecnl teams as well.
How did they spin that concept to the B Teams parents? they couldn't use the same ecnl hook that worked on the A teams parents.
Has MF done the same thing with the old Celtic Team, now the MF "B" Team?

Anonymous said...

12:10 are you at an ECNL club or NPL club? Just curious

Anonymous said...

Well 12:10 -"We grow too soon old and too late smart".
At least it seems like parents are wising up to this new expanded roster scheme by these clubs.
You do not have to put your own child in this unfortunate situation for them to develop to their potential as a soccer player.
It seems the clubs overreached and it is already biting them in the a--.
Greed, plain and simple.

Anonymous said...

12:19 doesn't matter as they are starting to push this concept beyond just the A or ecnl team and apply expanded rosters beyond the limit of 18 who can dress and play across the board of their entire clubs. As parents we have the power to prevent this.

Anonymous said...

beware of clubs who insist on you paying for the entire year up front with no possibility of any refund if you are unhappy or feel you were sold a bill of goods partway through the year.

Anonymous said...

Yes it is indeed fro revenue, not development as they try and spin it. The brand allows the club to get away with this and they take advantage of the parents willingness to want their child to be associated with the brand.

My child is one of the lucky few who have no issues with playing time, so far for us, the brand is a bonus and second to my child's development as a player. As soon as we see that our daughter is not getting 75% playing time on the field then we are gone. I know 75% is a lot of playing time but if you are looking to develop a player-your player; then nothing less will do. Many fine non ECNL clubs out there where you child can have a great coach and get significant playing time. You just have to pick a team that is right for your daughter.


I do not understand why parents would subject themselves to less than 50% playing time on any team.


Anonymous said...

I repeat , you only go through this once, why subject yourself to less than 50% playing time.

Anonymous said...

You as a parent will be able to ask for more playing time if your child is good enough that they would not want you to walk to their competitor.

Anonymous said...

i have some knowledge of North base teams (have a friend that plays for North base teams). Coach up North created a 3 teams to allow players to play instead of sitting out weekly. I have no information for Celtic.

I like this philosophy, on this board, people will complain that its about money. Well atleast all the kids are playing.

Anonymous said...

i have some knowledge of North base teams (have a friend that plays for North base teams). Coach up North created a 3 teams to allow players to play instead of sitting out weekly. I have no information for Celtic.

I like this philosophy, on this board, people will complain that its about money. Well atleast all the kids are playing.

Anonymous said...

Celtic only carrying 17 players at the moment - who knows when and if this will change

Anonymous said...

Stop it already with roster size - no one person would be complaining if their kid was starting, not one person would tell their kid to sit out a game so someone else's kid can play.

If you were told the roster size before the season, what's the problem besides the coach seeing your child different than you?

Anonymous said...

1:57 well you have clearly missed the point.
It is not just playing time but the fact that with rosters expanded now beyond the allowable 18 who can be rostered, dressed and have a any chance to play at all in each event.
How can it be justified in ANY way to leave players who made the team at tryouts out of nay game or worse any out of state tournament which ALL players, even subs look forward to being a part of as members of the team.This is demoralizing and heartbreaking for ANY player.
I defy ANY parent to come on here and claim their child was OK with being left out or worse left home when the rest of their teammates and friends are playing or travelling together as a team. What is the message that is being sent to that child about their abilities as a player, value to their team, and worst of all worst of all their value and self esteem as a young developing personality.
Any parent who accepts this situation for their child is setting them up for disappointment and future issues in their development in these areas.
they are 12 years old, not pros, and their personalities are still in the early stages of development.

Anonymous said...

1:00 having 3 teams in the club is not the complaint.
the problem is rostering above the 18 player limit for all of these teams that creates the issue of players not dressing out or attending events with their teams.

Anonymous said...

Not aware of any MF teams at this age that roster more than 18. Anyone have first hand knowledge that they do?

Anonymous said...

2:26 point made by blogger 1pm, instead of rostering more than 18 players. MF Coach created 3 North teams

Anonymous said...

1:57

Also possible that new coach sees your child different from old coach.Which can all of a sudden create a lot less playing time.


All parents want to see their kids as starters, sometimes a simple coaching change, changes the playing time for each child.

Anonymous said...

Anytime 9:57 and I respect your opinion.

No I didn't think that was the best way to develop our child. The roster was normal at first and then a few girls added. So coach didn't see the same player that I do. Was she happy, NO. Did we help her pick up the pieces and help her decide what she wants and the work that will need to go into it, YES.

I learned from experience that for my child needed to learn an unfair lesson in life, not saying all children should. But for my child she became an ODP player and had choice of teams to pick the one she wanted. So I would say her self esteem and confidence has never been stronger. But like I said every child is different.

Did I allow her to be a pawn, well who isn't a pawn? Last time I checked, I'm not the owner of a club or the coach, so yes, she wants to play and as such she is nothing but a pawn we use them they use us.

Ashamed of what? For not letting her give up or never bringing that into the conversation? You act like not being picked is the end of the world. She learned that she could be the player her coach sees her as or the player she is.

The expanded roster is not a scam in my opinion. Nobody would complain if their kid was playing every day and some other child was not. it only becomes an issue when their child isn't playing. For my kid she learned to work hard and as long as you work hard you win. She can not control who plays and how many minutes she plays, she can only control how hard she works and what type of a teammate she is. Fighting for minutes is a must if she wants to follow her dreams. There will always be talented kids wanting the same spot and sometimes it's not the most talented that win the spot it's the kid that wants it more.

11:48 I disagree the clubs make it no secret that putting the best team on the field is the goal, and having them compete only helps them compete every time on the field. SO all those kids that make a pro team and never start should give up. Don't say they make money because NWSL players don't make much.

12:10 I agree it hurts watching, but would it hurt watching if your kid was playing and someone else's kid wasn't? Just stay Positive and trust me it's not easy.

These expanded roster teams, all made it very clear how things were going to work, I'm sure of it. It doesn't matter ECNL or NPL or Other - Is your kid getting better or did they go into a shell.

So many people want their cake and they want to eat it or they are gone. Trust me nobody will miss your kid if the club is a big brand.

This is the wonderful world of youth soccer.

Anonymous said...

Some kids thrive in this system. So wilt.

Anonymous said...

Wasn't the NJ state cup draw today at 10:00 AM?

Anonymous said...

2:49 Agreed but only if the parents are on board.

It sounds like there are a bunch of us that just want our kids handed a starting spot and for them never to lose it or else.

Anonymous said...

2:54.

How many kids are enough for you to say"ok now this is ridiculous


19
22
25
30
40

Is there a point where you would say the negative out weighs the positive?

Anonymous said...

I've seen kids be number 18-22 on one ecnl club and be in top 8 of another ecnl club that beats the original players club in head to head competition.

Development is about competing and PLAYING.

not just competing.

Anonymous said...

why cant you compete for starting playing time with 18 on the team. isnt that enough players to create a healthy competition for playing time and still dress all 18 for games?

Anonymous said...

2:57

What level are we talking about?

If we are talking about girls that want to play HS or College - then I would say 19 is "ridiculous"

However, if our child wants to play college and beyond then I think you need more than 18. The Starting XI need to be the best that they can be every time and the only way to accomplish that is to have them pushed by the next 7, and the only way you can do that is if you have someone pushing the next 7.

What age should you do this? I have no idea?

Look if playing time was important to me for my child I would never pick an ECNL or NPL team. The only way they can compete is if they have their players pushing each other all the time.

Just my opinion and I know it's the minority on this board.

Anonymous said...

3:01 I agree Playing is a big part. But if the Club/Team lays it out front that your child needs to compete for minutes. Why hate if your kid isn't getting the minutes? It's not lot you didn't know?

How does ODP work? If you make regional pool? Do only 18 players make the regional pool, the 18 that go to costa rica? or do they roster more than 18 and pick which players they dress for costa rica? IS playing important to these players? or is having the opportunity to compete for a roster spot more important?

Anonymous said...

No one is talking about working to earn playing time. question is why have more than 18 as this creates players who don't even dress or travel.
Certainly not necessary to have an extra 4-6 players competing to be one of the last 2 players on the bench.
ridiculous but keep buying in and writing those checks.

Anonymous said...

I used U14 ODP for my example. They have 54 girls in their regional Pool. But only 18 get dressed for Costa Rica.

What's the difference between ODP and what you guys are complaining about?

Are all 54 girls PLAYING? Should the 36 not dressed feel bad? Hell no, no kid should be made to feel bad if they don't dress, that's our job.

I'm sure the coach struggles with his choices every week.

But I believe there is something in having the kids compete for minutes if they want to play College and BEYOND.

To me that's how I view ECNL/NPL clubs - an opportunity for our kids to taste fighting for something that they want to play for a National Title. That doesn't come easy and there are different ways to go about it. That also falls on us to do our research and be as supportive as we can with no HATE.

Anonymous said...

3;41

Not all ecnl club carry more than 18.

The training that is desired week in and week out becomes almost impossible if coach has to watch more than 18.

This is not ODP, This is your club team.
Your club team is where you play so that you get enough experience to possibly make an ID pool.


I think 18 is plenty enough on one team especially when a club has a second team that is trying to make its way to first team.


It is only done for the money - They have no concern whether or not a coach can handle more than 18 players on the field at any one time.
if you have ever done this you will know that the quality of training begins to suffer after a 12-1 ratio.

My question to you is: Do you think the club is doing this for

A) to create competition for the girls so that they can become better players.

B) Because of the of financial incentive for the club


They have no concern about the numbers- Zero

further ,there are a lot of coaches that simply do not want the numbers.


You talk about competition- after 1-15, there is no competition for starting spots. The divide between 1-8 and 16-24 is like an A and B team.



I am telling you 16-24 have no shot at taking a starting spot.It would be better off if those players play on B team(NPL) and gets lots of playing time.

Trust me, the more you know, the more you don't want to know.








Anonymous said...

3:41 you are ridiculous.
ODP is about identification, not development.
You don't play and train with your ODP team week in week out year round.
the club we are talking about keeps telling us it is all about development in their club.
Please tell me how players from 19-22 or 24 are in the best situation for their physical and mental development as experienced, confident players?
More like a system to develop players who have no confidence in their ability or in their coaches opinions of their ability to contribute. But you keep telling your 12 year old to continue working hard Dad.
Maybe she will get to dress out for an event before the end of the season. I Feel sorry for your poor kid. you are supposed to be looking out for her best interests and protecting her during her childhood until she is old enough to figure it out for herself.

Anonymous said...

bottom line there is and always has been more than enough competition for the playing time divided between the 11 spots on the field at any given time between 18 players.
That anyone would be dumb enough to accept the reasoning that the club needs more than 18 players on a team to create more competition for playing time is ludicrous.
You are in complete denial Dad.
They have their hand right in your pocket. Wake up and smell the coffee pal.

Anonymous said...

5:10 now would you say that to my face?

Anonymous said...

And if you would then you know we would dance.

I would expect you do the same thing If I said that you.

Anonymous said...

When do the parents take some accountability?

Club tells the new team:

1. We will carry 24 players
2. ONLY the top 18 will play each week

At this point, no money has been collected. You have not handed in your information to be carded.

You can walk away right then but no.... EVERY parent thinks their daughter is the best and will play each week.

Season starts, same 8 kids are not being rostered for games. Should these parents be pissed or surprised? Is the club really to fault?

When is it OK to create a competitive environment and reward the kids that train and practice hard?

Anonymous said...

Lol, are you stupid? There is 11 kids on the pitch at a time. Rostering 24 will guarantee some kids will never play! Why in gods name would you do that to your kid. Oh yeah, maybe your drinking the PDA coolaid.

Anonymous said...

I agree you idiot, thats my point. Why would the parents agree to this?

Kool-Aid, you dope!

Anonymous said...

Kool-Aid with some broccoli rabe!

Anonymous said...

Ok for parents to give it shot to see where you stand-but after a year, you as a parent should understand whats happening.

If you've been asked to stay home chances are you at bottom of roster. Go find a competitive place where your daughter can get lots of playing time where she can develop as a player.

Anonymous said...

State cup

http://events.gotsport.com/events/schedule.aspx?EventID=40959&GroupID=385423&Gender=Girls&Age=13

Anonymous said...

http://events.gotsport.com/events/schedule.aspx?EventID=40957&GroupID=385381&Gender=Girls&Age=13


This event has changes alot. You might as well call it the "NJ town cup"

Anyone else think USYS is on its last legs.

Anonymous said...

Wow, that is the weakest fall State Cup ever for this age group. Only 19 teams? Is that correct?

Anonymous said...

Yes & yes, I feel sorry for the winner. Won't be much of an accomplishment.

Anonymous said...

Wheres Boca?

Anonymous said...

Where is that poster that gave me a hard time for writing the cup will be a "thin showing"? How can you defend otherwise at this point?

Anonymous said...



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N/A: MEDFORD SC HURRICANES (NJ)
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N/A: MILLSTONE UNITED TRAVEL SOCCER ROCKETS (NJ)
N/A: MOORESTOWN SC COMETS (NJ)
N/A: NEW JERSEY RUSH HAMILTON WILDCATS 01 GIRLS (NJ)
N/A: NEW JERSEY RUSH HIGHLAND 01 GIRLS BLUE (NJ)
N/A: NJCSA GALAXY (NJ)
N/A: NORTHERN BURLINGTON SA SPARKS (NJ)
N/A: OCEAN TOWNSHIP UNITED SA HURRICANES (NJ)
N/A: READINGTON TRAVEL SOCCER REIGN (NJ)
N/A: SJEB '01G WEST (NJ)
N/A: STRONGHOLD BERNA FURY (NJ)
N/A: THE FOOTBALL OF NJ 01/02 GIRLS (NJ)
N/A: TOMS RIVER FC SHEFFIELD UNITED (NJ)
N/A: U.S. PARMA ATTACCANTI (NJ)
N/A: VOORHEES SA POWER (NJ)
N/A: WARRIORS SC WARRIORS-KOCELA (NJ)
N/A: WASHINGTON UNITED FEVER '02 (NJ)
N/A: WATCHUNG HILLS SA PHOENIX (NJ)
N/A: WEST MORRIS BLIZZARD (NJ)
N/A: WESTFIELD SA FC PREMIER COLOCCINI (NJ)

Anonymous said...

How many players on a college roster?
How many players on the WNT roster?
How many players on a Champions league roster?

And the answer is ------
For all you idiot know it alls not 18!!!

So if your 19- 26 on a college roster you leave?
If your 19-26 on the WNT you leave?
If your 19-26 on Barcelona you leave?

Always your choice, Again your CHOICE
never a gun at your back decision.

And i'm pretty sure from experience they let you know(and really you should know) where you and your daughter stand.
If you don't like it just pick your ball up and leave
That simple

And I guess somebody woke up the kitty coach and his book blogs

Anonymous said...

They are 12/13 you dolt.

Anonymous said...

@ doit
Still have a choice to stay or leave

Anonymous said...

True, but please don't compare to college, uswnt or Barcelona.

Anonymous said...

Idiot! comparing u13 to USWNT!

Anonymous said...

Still stay or leave by CHOICE !!!!!
You as the parent talk to your daughter and ask her, do you like the situation you are in, whatever that might be. Talk to your child and choooooose. Then shut up

Anonymous said...

I may be an idiot, but am I wrong about simply choosing to stay or leave.

Anonymous said...

You are beyond an idiot comparing pros, womens national team and bacelona to 12 year old youth soccer.
First of all, all of the above players are professionals, they are paid, whether or not they dress for each event they are under contract.
Youth sports are for your child's enjoyment and development as a soccer player.

Anonymous said...

Not playing in games and not dressing is wrong at U13, period. For what? So you can say your kid plays for so and so? I'll tell you to your face you're a dope and we can dosey do, tango, or any other dance you prefer. And BTW, these kids are not pro or college athletes.

Anonymous said...

I agree more than 18 is too many for u13. But on the flip side this is the age that injuries start to happen so in the blink of an eye your roster can be down to 15.

Anonymous said...

EDP scores

Is this correct?

Calvert 1-0 over MF Black?

Did MF Black add players?

Anonymous said...

8:08 and after a few injuries 15 players is still more than enough subs(4) while the are out of action. Sub rules are restricted even further now at u13 in all npl games anyway.

Anonymous said...

Do H.S players have a CHOICE to go to a top college and sit for a couple of years to hopefully on day get on the field? Do walk ons have the same CHOICE to go to a top program with the possibility of never seeing the field over maybe going to a smaller school to play more? Do USWNT pool players have a CHOICE to go their camps with the hope of mayby making the roster or CHOOSING to start their professional career in life and the business world?

All CHOICES made by the individual, all hoping for different outcomes. But all knowing all the outcomes good or bad.

Anonymous said...

19-26 all choose to be there. Worry about your own daughter and club.

Anonymous said...

With 40 minutes half and no re-entry I think you need a full 18 squad and is an advantage. Especially if the talent does not fall off that much as you see with the PDA teams and MF. The benefits will be more pronounced as the season goes on.

Anonymous said...

MF score is correct. Black team has added players and is much improved over last season's jaguar team.

Anonymous said...

But... Did they choose to be there knowing the roster would be so big? Also, what about kids 12-18 who are giving up games and time to players 19-26? I understand needing a deep talent pool and that's what B,C,D,E teams should be used for. Every girl whether player 1 or 100 should be guaranteed a set number of games in the spring and fall.

Anonymous said...

Why do you bloggers get so amazed over a close game by teams that are on two different levels? That is the way soccer goes. Close games and blowouts...(score indicators). I am willing to bet Calvert controlled the whole game against mf black but the score seems differently.
Probably wasn't even a close game. It happens all the time in youth soccer. Just leave it alone and take it for what it's worth. Please stop assuming games are close because of the scores. It's soccer! Most of you, have probably never played the game.

Anonymous said...

Of course you have a choice, and as parents if you CHOOSE to allow your child to be put in a situation at 12 years old where her team and coach may not choose her to even dress for her teams games, much less see any time on the field then you are truly a fool, not to mention failing in your role as a parent to protect your child from those who will put them at risk of mental anguish, undue stress, loss of self worth and self esteem, and psychological harm on a weekly basis.

Anonymous said...

9:43 what makes you think we are not talking about what is going on at our own club? It is the ones who have daughters dealing with this scenario this fall for the first time who are now waking up to this money grab at our children s expense..

Anonymous said...

1209 is right on. I blame the parents who put their kids in these situations. Its no different than signing up a kid, who is an average Math student, for high honors Math. That kid would be lost & unable to keep up with the rest of the class. Would probably end up failing in the end. The teams so often mentioned in this blog are very high quality, high level, fast, extremely athletic teams who compete in some cases on a national level. These teams are for the very select highly talented (& committed) girls/families. You have plenty of other options if your kid doesn't belong (town travel, recreation, school even). But don't come here complaining about how wrong it is, how sad it is, how it hurts your stomach, etc.

Anonymous said...

I agree. If your kids a starter on one of these teams, it actually is fantastic as these teams seem to be doing very well. If your kid is constantly on the bubble it is an horrific experience for the kid and parent. The pluses and minuses couldn't be further apart.

But in the end is it acceptable at this age? I would say it should begin at 14 when girls are either in 8th grade or high school and ECNL begins.

Anonymous said...

Some Scores from today's Pre-ECNl and NPL
North East Pre-ECNL

4 Penn Fusion SA 01 U13 Pre-ECNL
2 FC Bucks 01 U13 Pre-ECNL

0 Continental FC 01 U13 Pre-ECNL
3 Match Fit Academy 01 U13 Pre-ECNL

0 World Class FC 01 U13 Pre-ECNL
1 PDA 01 U13 Pre-ECNL

8 Boston Breakers Academy 01 U13 Pre-ECNL
3 FC Stars of Mass 01 U13 Pre-ECNL

++++++++++++++++++++++++

North East Girls NPL

4 Penn Fusion SA 01 NPL
0 FC Bucks 01 NPL

0 Boston Breakers Academy 01 NPL
0 FC Stars of Mass 01 NPL

Anonymous said...

Bottom line if you are on the bubble and in the mix of players who do not dress for each game/event then why are you putting in the time, money and never mind your daughters time and effort in a situation where she is not considered good enough by the coach to at least be in the first 18?
You can't really blame the club as if you are foolish enough to give them 2.5K per year they are going to take your money. they will take as many players as are willing to pay them to be on what is basically the practice or JV team. But it this case there are no games for the JV team.
Is it really true that PDA required the storm players not chosen for the Chicago Tournament to still make the trip and spend the money for flights, hotel and meals even though they weren't going to dress for the games in case their were a rash of injuries and they might be needed. Hard to believe people buying into this.
Spend 2 or 3K for the family and their player to stand on the parents sideline in street clothes. Did they at least let them come out for the warmups?

Anonymous said...

Maybe they made a family vacation out of the trip?
I heard some when to see the Sears Tower.

Anonymous said...

North East NPL

0 Continental FC 01 NPL
4 Match Fit Academy 01 NPL

Anonymous said...

North East Pre-ECNL

0 Albertson SC 01 U13 Pre-ECNL
2 East Meadow SC 01 U13 Pre-ECNL

After 3 weeks PTS/GP:

3.00 PDA
3.00 Boston
2.33 East Meadow
2.33 Match Fit
1.33 Penn Fusion
1.00 Albertson
0.50 World Class
0.00 Continental
0.00 FC Bucks
0.00 FC Stars of Mass
n/a FSA
n/a Connecticut FC

What happened to EM and NPL? Will More Clubs enter more teams next year? MF?

Anonymous said...

North East NPL

1 World Class FC 01 NPL
3 PDA South 01 NPL

Pending the PDA North vs Albertson score

4 teams have not given up a goal.

Pre-ECNL - Match Fit and East Meadow
NPL - Match Fit and PDA North

Most goals score 9:
PDA Pre-ECNL and PDA South

Boston is second with their 8 in 1 game

Anonymous said...

Worst Goal Differentials:

-9 FC Bucks 01 NPL
-8 Continental FC 01 NPL
-8 Continental FC 01 U13 Pre-ECNL
-7 FC Bucks 01 U13 Pre-ECNL

Anonymous said...

8:11 AM post was quite confusing

If Match Fit Black lost to Calvert why are you asking if they ADDED players?

Normally that is an even game. If they lost 1-0 that sounds about right given last year's rosters.

Anonymous said...

I knowyou guys are proud of the ECNL distinction but it would help if you used team names.

PDA Storm, Ajax, Dragons

Match Fit Black, NJX

World Class Charlton, Hamm

Breakers, Breakers B team.....

etc.....

Anonymous said...

12:51 I 100% agree. Great job! Parents are so happy their daughter made top club teams, then when she doesn't play you blame club for crushing their confidence.

Anonymous said...

Calvert MD is a top team. I was expecting a blow out.

For Black to lose 1-0, has to say something for this teams improvement

Anonymous said...

Nah - they were at that level already

Anonymous said...

Is MF Black the same as MF Pre-ECNL?

Anonymous said...

Black is 3rd team, old Jaguars team.

Says a lot about improvement of this team

Anonymous said...

Jaguars lost 1-0 to Calvert?

May be Calvert's second team.

Anonymous said...

Yes Black team lost to A team from Calvert. It was a very even game, Calvert scored on a miscommunication. Game should have ended in tie or 1-1.

Coach has workee with our team and kept with plan, even with struggles last year. Team is improving.

Anonymous said...

8:24 not complaining about playing time.
The discussion all day has been about the expanded rosters and players being picked for a team and then not being allowed to even dress for games or events. Apologists for club keep trying to change the subject to playing time.
Two completely different issues.

Anonymous said...

PDA ECNL - storm
PDA NE NPL NORTH - Dragons
PDA NE NPL SOUTH - Ajax
MATCHFIT ECNL - lady falcons
MATCHFIT NE NPL - NJX
MATCHFIT BLACK - lady laguars
MATCHFIT BLUE - new team I believe

Anonymous said...

What league is the ECNL league?

What is the title?

Thanks

Anonymous said...

While I can believe Lady Jaguars (the NEW Black) have been working hard I can in n o way envision them being in a class with Calvert Crew's 1st team.

I credit you if the game was in fact played evenly and wish you luck going forward.

By the way....."miscommunication" goals count.

It's like saying, well, we lost 2-nil but the keeper blew one and a defender fell down on the other, should hav ebeen a tie

No, doesnt work that way.

Anonymous said...

I am not giving an excuse AT ALL. Saying we lost due to a mis communication and I hope this gets fixed for future games.

Even with mistake, our team missed on 4 very great scoring chances in last 10 minutes.

Not saying anything beside our team is getting better. HOpe it continues

Anonymous said...

PDA North 7-0 over Albertson.

Anonymous said...

Have to be more specific

Anonymous said...

No. See 9:34.

Anonymous said...

I think that level Albertson team is still working on 5 juggles

Anonymous said...

NJ State cup list previously published - below is the Championship Series.


ATLANTIC UNITED ACADEMY - AVALANCHE (NJ)
HADDONFIELD SC LIGHTNING (NJ)
JERSEY PREMIER SOCCER FLASH (NJ)
JERSEY SHORE BOCA JR FC FUSION (NJ)
MANALAPAN DYNAMITE (NJ)
MARLBORO SA COMETS BLUE (NJ)
MARLTON SC STORM (NJ)
MATCH FIT ACADEMY FC BLACK NORTH (NJ)
MATCH FIT ACADEMY FC BLUE NORTH (NJ)
MEDFORD STRIKERS SOUL (NJ)
NJ CRUSH FC TSUNAMI (NJ)
NJ WILDCATS AVERBUCH (NJ)
RANDOLPH SC STORM (NJ)
SDFC SAMBA (NJ)
SJEB '01G NPL (NJ)
STA MORRIS UNITED NPL 01 (NJ)
THISTLE COMETS (NJ)
TSF ACADEMY 01/02G (NJ)
WALL SC WAVE (NJ)

Anonymous said...

Teams are copied from website. I am not close to any of these teams to say PRE-ECNL = ????? Unless they have PRE-ECNL in their name.


Anonymous said...

While "thin", the SC still has 5 top 10 GS ranked teams. Should be a decent amount of points for winner.

Anonymous said...

Wildcats, STA, TSF and Crush are the favorites.

Anonymous said...

The MOSA state cup..... yikes!

Anonymous said...

Should be a lay up.
Crush needs a website update and sme new points, this is the kind of tournament they need.

Anonymous said...

I wouldn't count out Atlantic United

Anonymous said...

B-O-C-A

BOCA BOCA BOCA !!!

Anonymous said...

I like this State Cup. Tired of PDA and MF winning it. This year very even and wide open.

Good luck to everybody participating.

Anonymous said...

Atlantic United just lost to a township team yesterday. A good township team, but a township team. Not sure they're in the conversation to win this thing, even it IS thin.

Anonymous said...

And when I say they lost, I should really say they got smoked. 3-0.

Anonymous said...

1 JERSEY PREMIER SOCCER FLASH
3 NJSCA GALAXY

0 MATCH FIT ACADEMY FC BLACK
1 CES CALVERT CREW WHITE

0 NJSCA GALAXY
2 CES CALVERT CREW WHITE

0 STA MORRIS UNITED NPL 01
2 CES CALVERT CREW WHITE

1 LEHIGH VALLEY UNITED 01 GIRLS
0 HARFORD FC UNITED THUNDER

0 JERSEY PREMIER SOCCER FLASH
1 CES CALVERT CREW WHITE

Looks like all the teams are close to each other. While Calvert didn't win by a lot they did have to play 4 games in 2 days. Something to be said for that.

Anonymous said...

...and apparently didn't concede a goal in the 4 games either.

Anonymous said...

The most low-rent bunch of country-yoyo’s you would ever want to stand next to on the sideline, complete with Confederate Battle Flag belt-buckles.

Anonymous said...

Can someone explain why such a low turnout for this Fall's State Cup? Was it like this last year for this age group? Only 19 teams with none of the major ones participating? It's a knock to the ones who are playing in it & lessens the importance of the whole tournament. I thought this was to decide the best team in NJ. With so many of the top teams not in it that is not the case now.

Anonymous said...

Looks like Calvert 's 4 games were all within a 30 hour window, an EDP U13 plays 80 minute games, so thats a lot of soccer. Looks like a good road trip to me.

12:09
Is the 'Confederate' comment in regards to Calvert?

Anonymous said...

I don’t know, is it?

You would know, stop pretending.

Anonymous said...

Since someone touched on the topic of parents on the sideline, I have to say I was taken aback by how much the Storm parents coach from the sideline. On one hand, these are quality players on the Storm, with parents who perhaps played the game themselves, and probably coached their daughters are younger ages. They are used to shouting instructions at them. But on the other hand, I'd expect PDA to have zero tolerance for this. The rule at our club is "if you shout instructions to any player on the field, your child gets benched".

Anonymous said...

It looks like the pre-ECNL Teams and the NE NPL teams pulled out of it. I'm curious to see if they participate in the US Club NJ Cup.


I was surprised to see NPL teams participating.

If a state cup game was scheduled for the same exact date as an NPL game and could not be rescheduled. I am curious which one they would forfeit?

A chance at NJ title and advance to region 1 tournament with a chance to advance to USYSA nationals
or

A chance to win league and play for ECNL/NPl National Title

Which one would you?

Anonymous said...

It was my understanding that NPL games could only be rescheduled for State Cup games. Since State Cup can not. I could be mistaken though - does anyone know for sure?

Anonymous said...

Ajax, Dragons and NJX should play in the nj State Cup. The competition in the NE NPL is horrible. Very weak league. Shame that these high level teams are playing in this league. A DOC said to us that this league would be competitive....WHAT A JOKE

Anonymous said...

grass always looks greener

lesson learned we hope

Anonymous said...

My grass is brown now, from all the sh@@ lies we have been told.

Anonymous said...

Lol.. Storm shows up to every game with 19-25 coaches. Bunch of arrogant a-holes. too.

Anonymous said...

Pretty sure NPL doesnt allow reschedules. But cant teams play twice in a day? ECNL and NPL NE tougher, if out of state.

I like the spring state cup setup better, where you just have to play a game by a certtain date, not on a certain date

As set up, fall State Cup just another middlin tournament.

What do you think -

Crush v TSF, Wildcats vs STA?

Not slighting anyone - should be some good earlier games (easy, PDA and Match Fit - I dont mean good in terms of quality)

Anonymous said...

Where are these superior" other"team's you are playing outside of pre ecnl and be npl??? I need to hear where your team is playing better competition. I would take a league with just those three teams you mentioned. Ajax, dragons and MF Celtic. Add the FC stars MA team and Penn fusion...... Again, please tell me where you are playing better competition?? Bitter boy is back.... I know, you think this state cup is higher level..... lol.

Anonymous said...

It's easier to ask what the DOC of mf didn't lie about!!!! He did get the cost correct and all the extra training for more money and checks made out to him personally. Ultimate bait and switch. Yes the npl is only rostering 17 and still no play time.

Anonymous said...

WHY are you saying NE NPL is no good?

PDA Ajax a good team - no?

1-0 vs Penn Fusion SA 01 NPL
5-0 vs FC Bucks 01 NPL
3-1 vs World Class FC 01 NPL

MF NPL a good team - no?

0-0 vs PDA North 01 NPL
4-0 vs Albertson SC 01 NPL

PDA Dragons a good team - no?
0-0 vs MF NPL
3-0 vs Continental FC 01 NPL
7-0 vs Albertson SC 01 NPL (per blog)

What's wrong with these scores?
No one has seen the MA and CT teams yet.

Anonymous said...

7-0, 4-0, 5-0 indicates a lack of parity

Anonymous said...

Sorry I missed a game

MF NPL a good team - no?

0-0 vs PDA North 01 NPL
4-0 vs Continental FC 01 NPL
4-0 vs Albertson SC 01 NPL

Anonymous said...

True but these clubs don't have strong pre-ecnl teams either what did you expect? the NPL teams to be better?

MF NPL, PDA South and North can hang with Pre-ECNL teams.

Anonymous said...

If you are near the middle of your npl team, run now. They are going to take your top players and play them up and with the ecnl team. What do you think you are getting in return? If you think the npl is weak now, wait until next year when its weaker

Anonymous said...

That's one way to look at it.

OR

You can say this age group going ECNL at u14 many players to try their luck (maybe?) So if players don't make ECNL they will be offered NPL spots.

What would you go with? NPL vs
EDP/JAGS/PAGS/LIJSL??

NPL only one giving kids a chance at national title by just winning their league and most likely participation at Jefferson Cup, Surf Cup and down in Florida for Showcase Events (guaranteed acceptance to these events) NO NEED to chase points.

Anonymous said...

Don't look now but PDA and MF are 1,2,3 in NE NPL.

Anonymous said...

Starting to think last years EDP league was better than this ECNL/NENPL crap. From the money, travel and extra cash flow for coaching expenses to drink all night, etc....seems like one big Scam.
Call the Attorney General.

Anonymous said...

PDA and MF 1 and 2 in Pre-ECNL.

Anonymous said...

I think you should distinguish NPLs from each other.

New York Club Soccer League, which lost 3 top clubs but also lost some weak ones and added a couple that are pretty good, is different than where PDA and Match Fit play.

NYCSL-NPL has New York SC, ISA, Crush, STA, etc.....

Anonymous said...

3:55, different how? Please explain...

Anonymous said...

BOCA 1 Real Shore 0

Anonymous said...

Last year's EDP league had the Pre-ECNL and NE NPL teams from NJ, NY & CT plus some NYCSL NPL teams.

3:49 just curious you had issue with rosters as well? Now starting to make sense.

3:55 Was talking about the North East NPL.

North East NPL has a few very good teams MF NPL, Both PDAs and Penn Fusion looks strong lost PDA Ajax 1-0 and FC Revolution a PA top team 1-0 plus CT FC who killed EDP 2nd Division last year and FSA and the MA teams are unknowns. WC, Albertson, FC Bucks and Continental Fc at the bottom.

NYCSL NPL - also has 4 good teams STA, NYSC, NJ Crush and ISA. I would still give edge to North East.

EDL or EDP NPL whatever you want to call it has a good NJ Wildcats team and maybe TSF and LVU. Not sure who else is in this league? If Calvert is in the league that's a nice team as well.

New England NPL - has NEFC, Oakwood and Seacoast.

Not sure about the VA NPL.

I would rank the NPLS
North East NPL
New England NPL
NYCSL NPL
EDL/EDP NPL or Virgina NPL

EDP Central =< NYCSL NPL???


Anonymous said...

Have a friend on a U-14 team. They told me that the first time your daughter gets left behind - doesn't dress -it is absolutely brutal. They were told that there would only be 18 on the team... that ended up not being accurate but they weren't sure how many girls were on the team. How crazy is that?

So they told their kid to grit it out snd to focus on improving. So she did. Then they asked for their child's ranking and they were told that she was doing great and that they are only rostering 20 this year and she would not get left home again. And then they rostered 24.

And she gets left home again. The saddest thing was that they said their daughter wasn't hurt as much the second time. She was more resigned and excited to have the day off.

If they had known about 24, they would not have come back. Now they are thinking of leaving - but it is convenient for them and their daughter likes the girls and doesn't want to be the new girl again. They also worry that they will make a wrong move or go someplace that the other people will leave to go where they came from.

They are paralyzed by fear of making another mistake. As for the teammates that their daughter likes so well, they try to tell her that they aren't really teammates because they are competing against each other not only for play time but to wear their uniforms. So Now, they have told their daughter to do as much as possible every time rather than passing because the other girls don't pass because they are trying to make themselves look good so they don't get left home.

They know it isn't healthy, but they told me that they are not sure what to do next. Seems like a vicious circle to me. And definitely a cautionary tale. My daughter is staying put!

Anonymous said...

"They are paralyzed by fear of making another mistake." really.. what time is their chemo appointment?
#perspective

Anonymous said...

Chime in on playing time. I have 2 kids, one never, ever sits, not even one minute in EDP play this year, or JAGS play last 2 years. My other younger kid is only U10 and sits much, however she is double carded, in MOSA she plays equal if not more time, in JAGS she sits and sits and sits, even in scrimmages. We are not winning every match by any means and at U10 lets be honest - none of the kids are really "that good". I guess the best thing to do, is approach coach at practice, NOT on game day and see what she could do to play more, or earn more playing time, perhaps even have your kid with you at that time for two reasons, one to see that you do care and you are trying as a parent for the kid. Two to see if you are missing something, perhaps coach will tell you later he has issues with your daughter, maturity problems, they dont pass, too selfish. I have also coached, so I get it, it is a NIGHTMARE to have to sub kids in and out, in any sport.

Anonymous said...

The top 4 teams in last year's EDP are now in pre ecnl and ne npl. They will all play each and the other FC stars MA team is just as good as any of them. Who are you now playing THIS YEAR in EDP that is better? Nobody..... So please move on bitter kitty..... You better hope you win SC this year with that competition. Watch out if you do not......

Anonymous said...

A cautionary tale indeed, very frustrating for everyone. The one item that really stands out to me, is the concept that your teammates are not your friends, they are your competitors, and you should do everything in your power to look better than everyone. In sports, there can be only one.

Anonymous said...

I don't understand why on earth people keep their kids on the team that doesn't play her, or the coach is bad, or the other kids are mean, etc. etc.

Instead of al this grumbling, just mover her someplace else. I suspect it's the parents' ego that keeps her on a "top team"

Anonymous said...

because they are paralyzed by fear...

Anonymous said...

I'm just an outsider looking in, but if you have a 9 year old daughter on a team full of girls who, in your estimation, are not "that good", and she's sitting on the bench for the majority of the game, you're a terrible father with misplaced priorities, and you're paying a coach who doesn't have the slightest clue what development means. No u10 team in the world should be providing anything less than equal playing time, or at the very least 1/2 game exposure to the lower end of the roster. That's embarrassing for everyone involved, and you need to find another team before your daughter hates soccer.

Anonymous said...

Nobody is talking about 8 year olds here. Why should everyone get "equal playing time" on a highly competitive tem? "Hurt feelings"? Again, if you can't deal with it MOVE TO A DIFFEFENT TEAM where you and your kid don't come home crying.

Anonymous said...

New England Girls NPL Fall 2014
7/1/2014 - 11/10/2014

Not sure how they determine their Champion.
Not a bad NPL.

1: NEFC ELITE U13 GIRLS 2 - 6
2: SEACOAST UNITED ELITE - DR- 01/02 2 - 6
3: OAKWOOD SC 1 - 3
4: SYRACUSE DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY 2 - 3
5: YANKEE UNITED FC BLAST NPL-01 BLUE 1 - 1
6: GPS-MA NPL 2 - 1
7: BAYSIDE FC BOLTS NPL RED 01/02 2 - 0
8: AZTEC SOCCER GIRLS 01 BLACK 2 -0

Anonymous said...

NY Club Soccer League NPL
Sept-June Straight Through League to Determine Champion.

(GP-PTS)
1 Intense Soccer Academy NPL-01 (1-3)
2 Quickstrike FC NPL-01 (1-3)
3 New York Soccer Club NPL-01 (1-3)
4 Manhattan Soccer Club NPL-01 (1-1)
5 Massapequa Soccer Club NPL-01 (1-1)
6 NJ Crush FC NPL-01 (0-0)
7 New York Rush NPL-01 (1-0)
8 STA NPL-01 (1-0)
9 Brentwood Youth Soccer Club NPL-01 (1-0)

Anonymous said...

North East Girls NPL
SEPT-JUNE
Straight Through League with TOP 4 teams advancing to a post season play off to determine Champion in 2013.

1 PDA South 01 NPL (3-9)
2 PDA North 01 NPL (3-7)
3 Match Fit Academy 01 NPL (3-7)
4 Penn Fusion SA 01 NPL (3-6)
5 Albertson SC 01 NPL (3-3)
6 Boston Breakers Academy 01 NPL (1-1)
7 FC Bucks 01 NPL (3-1)
8 FC Stars of Mass 01 NPL (1-1)
9 World Class FC 01 NPL (3-1)
10 Continental FC 01 NPL (3-0)
11 Connecticut FC 01 NPL (0-0)
12 FSA FC 01 NPL (0-0)

Anonymous said...

NPL Virginia
October through January - Not sure if this will determine champion or more games will be played

ANNANDALE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB U13G
CHESAPEAKE UNITED SOCCER CLUB U13G
CHESTERFIELD UNITED FC U13G
CHURCHLAND SOCCER U13G
FC VIRGINIA U13G
NORTHERN VA SOCCER CLUB U13G
PRINCE WILLIAM SOCCER U13G
RICHMOND KICKERS U13G
RICHMOND STRIKERS SOCCER CLUB U13G
VIRGINIA RUSH ATHLETIC CLUB U13G

Anonymous said...

Plus EDL NPL - Not going to list teams because their website still lists teams in NYCSL NPL as member clubs. Not sure if there are replacements or Not.

Regardless It looks like there are some strong teams in the NPLs just on the east coast (north east / mid atlantic)

This is way better than Region 1 Premier, look at all the teams that have a shot at a National Title

Anonymous said...

7:10 would you say it would be wise to CHOOSE a different team to make their child happy

Anonymous said...

7:49

Isnt a playoff unnecessary?

Gives teams a chance to employ all sorts of shenanigans.

Anonymous said...

8:44 Don't get me started on that - I agree 100% with you. If you play a balanced home/away schedule there is no need for a play off.

Anonymous said...

What did 8:44 say?

Anonymous said...

Nothing bad - the post mentioned playoffs - and I hate PLAYOFFS. No Disrespect to MF Pre-ECNL but they should not have advanced to the NPL Finals last year. They were the 4th seed and 15+ points behind 1st place. They advanced because they won 2 games in 2 days. But during a balanced schedule they were a distant 4th.

I JUST hate playoffs - it rewards the HOT team and not the BEST team. The BEST team is the team that goes out and plays the same schedule as every team in it's league and comes away with the most points and if they are tied goal differential followed by least goals allowed, followed by most goals.

Anonymous said...

One more thing - if you don't use playoffs to determine your champion every game and every goal is important until a champion is crowned.

Anonymous said...

what township team did atlantic united lose to?What league do they even play in?I would definitely agree parents are obnoxious.Along with the kids being pretty dirty players.I can recall one player in particular got a yellow card then a warning after the yellow.Should have been tossed.

Anonymous said...

A 'hot' team? Maybe... But perhaps it was the team the developed the most over the course of the fall/spring. Why must we 'Europeanize' everything? Especially at the youth level? Why not give the teams that developed over the course of the year the opportunity to advance via a playoff?

Anonymous said...

Atlantic United lost to Medford in EDP on Sunday. Medford is respectable, but that's not a respectable loss.

Anonymous said...

Playing time should not be an issue when you are only rostering 17. It is a self created issue from the trainer/ coach when 5 kids play the entire game. Kids that dont come to practice or leave early from practice. Kids that are playing on 3 teams. Same Kids that disrupt practice and dont pay attention, why do they play the entire game? Why do they play the entire game when you are winning 5-0 6-0. Self created problems. If you are afraid to sub because the drop off is so drastic, then why did those kids make the team in the first place. If you brought an entire team over as alot of these clubs do, then who benefited? The club and 4 or 5 players. Its all about the mighty dollar and screw the kids. No 12 or 13
year old deserves or is capable of playing 80 minutes at a high level

Anonymous said...

Going to go out on a limb and say your kid is one of the subs.... Many things factor in and yes, at this level, talent rules. Team should be more balanced and most likely it will happen soon or else they will not last.

Anonymous said...

Has nothing to do with europe and everything about crowning the right champion.

Please don't tell me you think the NFL, MLB, NBA and NHL use playoffs because they think it's the right way to crown a champion, do you?

Playoffs are a money maker - nothing more and nothing less. There is no way and 11-11 team is better than a 22-0 team during the regular season. Just because an 11-11 teams gets hot and wins back to back games and the undefeated team finally drops it's first game in 23 games at the wrong time. You think they are not the best because they didn't win the play offs.

Anonymous said...

2 ways to do it, is all.

The 4 team playoff makes it very interesting for many teams down the stretch.

League has to make sure all games get played in quick fashion. NPL's stance against forfeited games helps.

Anonymous said...

9;17

The delay in splitting up this team is causing stress for all kids and parents. It should have been done this year and that should have been the end of it.

Anonymous said...

This week's Pre-ECNL and NPL action.

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North East Pre ECNL

East Meadow SC 01 U13 Pre-ECNL
Penn Fusion SA 01 U13 Pre-ECNL

Albertson SC 01 U13 Pre-ECNL
FC Bucks 01 U13 Pre-ECNL

Boston Breakers Academy 01 U13 Pre-ECNL
Continental FC 01 U13 Pre-ECNL

FC Stars of Mass 01 U13 Pre-ECNL
Match Fit Academy 01 U13 Pre-ECNL


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North East GIRLS NPL

Albertson SC 01 NPL
FC Bucks 01 NPL

PDA North 01 NPL
Penn Fusion SA 01 NPL

Boston Breakers Academy 01 NPL
Continental FC 01 NPL

FC Stars of Mass 01 NPL
Match Fit Academy 01 NPL

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New England Girls NPL

SYRACUSE DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY SDA U13G
OAKWOOD SC

SEACOAST UNITED ELITE - DR- 01/02
AZTEC SOCCER GIRLS 01 BLACK

SYRACUSE DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY SDA U13G
YANKEE UNITED F.C. BLAST NPL-01 BLUE

BAYSIDE FC BOLTS NPL RED 01/02
GPS-MA NPL

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NY CLUB SOCCER LEAGUE NPL

Intense SA NPL-01
NJ Crush FC NPL-01


Massapequa SC NPL-01
NY Rush NPL-01

Quickstrike FC NPL-01
New York SC NPL-01

Anonymous said...

9:33 I know it's interesting for us.
But we have been on this board for the past week or so talking about the kids.

How does a playoff help the team that took care of business all year and drop their first game in 23 and miss out to a trip to Disney (let's say the final was there).

So again we reward the kids below the top. What are we teaching our kids.

It's bad to be able to play 80 minutes and be good at it because Mia is also on your team and she needs to play at least 30 Minutes, so it doesn't matter that your at home busting your ass to be the best and Mia's hanging with her friends, because you guys are only 12 and 13 years old and you know everyone has to play. There is a level for this and there should also be a level for the the kids that thrive in a competitive environment. I know both are not the popular views

Anonymous said...

I'd have less of a problem with reduced playing time if the whole team was at or even remotely close to being the same level. Having good players sit with a roster of 20+ players in order to let "paying customers" get their "fair" playing time stinks.

Anonymous said...

9:58

I agree we all knew where we were bringing our kids. To play with the best you have to be the best. Your opportunity to play with the best comes at practice, work hard and you might play. At then end of the day if the kid isn't advancing and others are I HATE SAYING it but why should others suffer. Finish out the year or teach your kid to quite.

We have been talking about 19-26 the past few weeks. So why should 1-11 or 12-18 suffer. These are just numbers,they players have every say in which number they are for that week.

However, I do agree with the parents that thought their kid was playing on a team with a roster of 18. If those players sit out game because the team added players after the fact. The team should give players on the bubble a choice - compete or quite and we'll give you a pro-rated portion of your tuition back. That's the fair thing to do.

Anonymous said...

9:58 Right On -FINALLY a pda parent getting off the koolaid long enough to see the real picture. Money grab by the club sucking in parents who will pay thru the nose to see Suzie wear the name on the front of her shirt to school.It's nothing more or less than more $$$$ form suckers willing to play to dress a few times per year in the least important and least competitive games.. Your child is really on the practice squad but you pay the same as the players who are really on the roster each week..
And maybe you are paying the REAL players dues as they probably got scholar shipped in the recruiting process because they knew could get their dues from you and the others on the taxi squad.

Anonymous said...

How about this scenario.

Kid that's number 26 out of a roster of 26 is a very strong player but not strong enough for this team to play all the time.

They leave and go to another team that happens to have a roster of 18 but this player is an immediate upgrade and a tarter right off the bat.

SO you remove your kid from a situation that is making her sad to a situation where she will be a star and the price for your kid's happiness is another's sorrow.

Do you care? or Do you have your kid sit out the entire year.

Anonymous said...

10:34 you are on a roll - don't stop maybe they will comeback.

Anonymous said...

College Football heading to 4 team playoff.

Why? to assure best team win National Championship.

MF team proved to be the better team during NPL Playoffs. Period.

During a season, players get hurt, etc. Teams get healthy, teams get better. Get used to this system.

All leagues do this!

Anonymous said...

College Football doesn't have a balanced schedule.

Anonymous said...

10:42 You really believe that? Don't answer I know you do.

How about players getting hurt prior to the playoffs? What winning 22 game should be thrown out the window because they lost their first game in the playoffs to a team that lost 11?

How stupid of me - you are so right and I'm such an idiot I don't see it that way and never will.

I am used to the system but it doesn't make it right.

All leagues do it is because they are Franchise leagues looking for EXTRA MONEY.

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