It's all speculationWho is going to admit to getting a discount?
fees for 1776, not counting travel, are around $1500.
4:58 you either have no clue (my guess) or you have so much money your just don't care. So basically you're a dumbass who will likely be going "oh shit!" a year from now when you realize how much financial stress this has put on your family or you're a lucky bastard who should count their blessings and realize not everyone has the luxury of being frivolous.Break it down anyway you want. You'll spend $10,000.00. Cross your fingers she plays a lot.
Why CA is what I can't understand? That trip alone has to be just as much as the years total fee? What's wrong with PDA, CASL, or any of the other showcases that are drivable. I'm sure someone who has been through this could name 6 others that are just a good and that will have plenty of top colleges attending. Hate to say it but sounds like a vacation for the coaches!
Anyone know when we will find out what clubs got the DA? I know applications will start being accepted in May.
So 1776 doesnt pay their coaches?
Its not just the money spent on going to CA, it the lack of value (other than a nice vacation) that your getting for it. We've already had bloggers check the attending schools roster to see how many of those teams take girls from the east coach, and it was less than six percent. This west coast tournament is the only wart I can find on what is a great program for upper tier players.
West coast tournaments more about the experience for the girls than the exposure.Good team bonding experience, life long memories, etcPlaying new teams also a residual.
4 major tournaments @ 1200 each, $48003 minor tournaments @ 1000 each $3000Own tournament( Nether) $02 leagues plus state cup $2000Cost of completions = less than $1000018 players x $1500= $27,0001776 is a non profit club and their cost to maintain/rent fields is likely offset by profits from their(Nether's) tournaments. I assume the coaches are working 8-10 hrs per week, 9-10 monthes a year. If they pay their coaches $12K per year per team, that still leaves over $5K for misc exp such as ins., cards, coaches travel cost etc. PF on the other hand costs 3500/player and they will roster 22/team. That's $77000 brought in per team or $50000 more than 1776. Where do you think that $ is going?
@241 You do realize PF had 100 girls at tryouts for their 4 teams. FCB and CFC hold tryouts for ECNL/NPL only.But, go ahead and base your excellent analysis on tryout numbers.Good luck trying to make a team that was already picked one week before tryouts.You know, playing for the NPL team is just a step away from the top team.......
I think PF/West Chester has 5 teams at this age.
7:59Field rental - Practice 2x a week for 40 weeks = 80 days x 1.50 hours per day = 120 hours x $100 per hour = 12,000So 12,000 + 10,000 - 27,000 = 5,000 and all we covered was field rentals and games.So the coach gets paid 5,000 or approx 40 per hour to train the team and then goes to all these tournaments and games for free spending time with our kids instead of their family? and we want non parent coaches to do this? For real? Would you? I wouldn't
I eat out and take out a lot about $150. per week average. Still only coes out to $7500. per year, much less that 10K on ECNL.and California soccer tournament is not like a California vacation.Getting up early and schlepping back and forth to fields and hotel,etc. not my idea of relaxing vacation.Those trips are all about the Club Brand and not for the kids or families benefit.
sorry 8:46 is GS 4 life - you know the ECNL guy.Seriously I read on here that we complain about mommy and daddy coaches all the time, what quality coach will take a team spend all that time with the team for 5k. Where will the GDA get all these clubs with all these quality coaches (look at their standards) that are not mommy and daddy coaches and not charge the players? Who's going to front this? One guess? so your other example PF brings in 50k let's remove the 12k for field rentals so know we are down to 38k the club needs to take their cut and pay it's admin staff then the coach get's their piece I would hope no less than 15k for their time to train our kids and coach them on weekends.
Where are you getting $5K for the coach? The example I gave for 1776 has their coach getting 12K per year. Their field costs are offset by tournament profits, and you still have 5K left for misc exp, of which I would incl admin costs. 2- 1 1/2 hr training sessions per week x 40 wks = 120 hrs40 games per @ year 2 1/2 per game incl warmup = 100 hrsSpending 220 hrs/yr with the players @ $35/hr(far better than most teachers BTW) = $7700Give them an extra $600/ weekend for the 4 out of town tournaments. Add $2400*Plus Reg 1 league will require 1 more weekend away. Add another $500Through in an extra $50 per game for travel to away league/ state cup matches. Add another $500Most coaches will have multiple teams in the same tournament so more like 1200-1800 for the weekend plus the are alread getting paid to coach the 3-4 games per team.That's $11,100 there. Give them an extra $900 for meetings/training sessions etc. 12K per team per year. 1 team is a part time job. If you coach 4 that's 48K with 12 weeks off. Again on par with a lot of teachers.
NWSL since sky blue in part of this league will they get DA status is that right ... If that is right what academy will they choose .
8:46 is correct. Don't forget the practice on Thursday. Many traveled Wednesday to at least get one day of "vacation" in. Then either red-eye home Sunday night or another hotel stay. So it was 4 nights hotel. $300 car rental. Eat out every meal. $400 flights. Total $2k. For what? The club brand. You're welcome, club!
Unlike Philly Union, PA Classics Boys DA is not free/subsidized, but costs $2100/ year and includes uniforms. You won't find a better coaching staff, boys or girls side, anywhere. Great facilities as well. If they can produce some of the best players in the nation for that cost, why the hell do the ECNL clubs need to charge nearly double?!?
On another note NJ wildcats starting a "south" academy out of Lacey ( Ocean county ). Anyone know if this is moving players from the other teams or if he's movie brand-new team? They are advertising that the 2002 team playing from Lacey is nationally ranked?? But tryouts looked horrendous
*or if it's making a brand new team
While I am not sure the CA event is a great value you are incorrect in assuming that the posted coaches list anywhere close to accurate. There were plenty of ACC, BIG10, and SEC schools in San Diego. There were also many midmajors from the east coast. For those of you with younger kids, parents walk up and down the sidelines handing out a brochure on the team. It identified players, includes their picture and numbers and a short bio. The parents ask from which school a coach is from and not it down. Some even write asst assoc or head coach etc. Then the manager publishes a spreadsheet keeping track of the coaches by day. So players know if a coach to whom they have written came to see her play and which game. Also when a college coach reaches out to a club coach about a player the player knows at which event and which games she was seen. It's very useful, you will quickly realize than very many coaches never register on the event website. That said the CASL and Jeff Cup events had many of the same blue chip coaches attend. I think your kid can do well as a top player on a team that plays in the top flights of these major east coast events. Comparing travel for ecnl versus non ecnl top teams. The Sanford event is off set by Disney. If the team does Vegas it's a wash the way I see it. If they play casl Disney Jeff cup and are accepted into PDA non ecnl top flight and they are one of the top players on the team a power 5 is a definite possibility. HBC u15 team, Pa Strikers u16 team or YMS u 17 teams come to mind as such top teams. Pa strikers are free. Not sure there is much of a difference in the rest.
At u14 you don't hand out brochures to college coaches. That is the way it is at PF . The coaches do not want to talk about colleges at u14 so it didn't matter if coaches were there or not.
10:15 I like a lot of your post, but those ACC, Big Ten and similar schools see our girls at our east coast tournaments. They are out there looking at west coast players and hoping to land a few of them. If you look at the rosters of east coast school, you will notice they have not problem bringing in west coach players. The problem is that the favor isn't reciprocated by the colleges and universities out west. These are the same schools that choose international players almost 3-1 over girls from the east. Is playing in the ECNL a great idea for exposure? Absolutely! Is going out west helpful in that regard? Maybe for less than one percent attending from the east.
NPL today:NJ Wildcats Averbuch 8TSF 2
There were East Coast ACC and Ivy League coaches at our games on CA. Must have had nothing else to do then watch a U14 game.
You guys talking about how expensive an ECNL team is. You will probably send your daughter to a State school to save money even if she could get into an IVY league school. "Why not, just as good an education". Wrong. You are just being cheap. Your daughter serves to go to the best school she can get into. Work 2 jobs if you have to. And stop complaining.
The DA will soon be the best and it will be about the players, not the money. Sorry ECNL.
Not for many. And the DA pays the family's traveling expenses?
I think they said it's about the "player". DA wil be lower cost so that families with top players don't have to struggle to have their child play with the best. Who wants to apply for a scholarship? Can't imagine many want to have to resort to that.
So you save the 2500-3000 in upfront costs? Do the family's travel with the kids or are the chaperoned?
From what o see the ECNL is not any more expensive than the top teams talked about here. They are all about 2000-3000, and they all travel to 4 or 5 tournaments. In fact it appears the non-ECNL clubs travel more.
Are you serious? Keep dreaming.
At 15 and older many go and are chaperoned.
5:28, you are wrong. Maybe not compared to the 2nd class clubs but most who compare themselves to the ECNL clubs are the same costs or more.
Please none of the clubs are going to the West coast except the ECNL.And none of the Non-ECNL Clubs are carrying more than 18 and sitting out players, much less requiring them to travel even when they don't dress. Storm took 24 players to Jefferson Cup.Make whatever decision is best for your daughter and your family, but at least have the accurate information in hand to make the correct decision.
From what I read on this post this was the first California trip. But it was a college showcase for ECNL teams where most colleges recruit from. I wish my daughter went.
Yea because scouts don't look at players on the east coast.
Earlier post said they do. You have better information?
There is no sarcasm allowed on this site.
24 in Jeff cup = not accurate
Late goal by GB knocks PL out of Region 1 playoffs. GB 1 PL 0
That's 3 straight Region 1 losses for them
Did MF ECNL player participate for GB?
Threw in the towel for the year? The Spring season has become a waste with tryouts so early especially this year with so many teams drastically changing.
going to be like this all over again next year with the arrival of DA.
Everyone is so cynical. My daughter cares about every game. Where she goes next year has nothing to do with this spring. And yes, she has gone to other team tryouts and understands that she may leave her team. And even if she doesn't, it's going to be a very different team next year.
EDP North Flight 1NJ Wildcats Averbuch 4Beachside SC Connecticut 0
Wildcats reporting in from the parking lot. Thanks, coach!
Wildcats vs Beachside score was on Gotsoccer.
The NYCSL NPL East will be a lot clearer after the dust settles next week. a NYSC win over Manhattan anda win today vs brentwood will even up the two at 26 pts with two games to go while a MSC win would put them 6pt ahead of NYSC. Massapequa has two next week 6pts for them would clinch a spot while Quickstrike and ISA both need the 3 vs Massapequa to stay alive.U14 NPL EAST26 (3) Manhattan Soccer Club NPL-0124 (4) Massapequa Soccer Club NPL-0122 (3) Intense Soccer Academy NPL-0120 (4) New York Soccer Club NPL-0120 (4) Quickstrike FC NPL-01U14 NPL WEST(1) NJ Crush FC NPL-01(2) STA NPL-01
NYSC 6 Brentwood 0
New England Girls NPL PTS (GP)27 (9) NEFC ELITE U14 GIRLS 22 (10) OAKWOOD SC16** (10) GPS-MA NPL GIRLS 01/02 16** (10) BAYSIDE FC BOLTS U14G NPL 01/02 14** (11) SEACOAST UNITED ELITE -CS- 01/0212** (10) YANKEE UNITED F.C. BLAST NPL-01 BLUE 8** (10) SYRACUSE DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY SDA U14G6** (3) FC BOSTON SCORPIONS NORTH U14 ELITE/NPL 0** (11) AZTEC SOCCER GIRLS 01 NPL ** Eliminated
2016 REGION I CHAMPIONS LEAGUEPlayoff match up set.All 4 teams have qualified for the U16 (2001) national league next season. Binghampton's spot becomes open as they already qualified via this year's national league.R1 BRADDOCK ROAD YC 01 ELITEB2 GREATER BINGHAMTON UNITED FC 01 SELECTB1 SOUTH SHORE SELECT U14 ELITE R2 1776 UNITED FC XTREME -----------------------------------------U13 Final 4 with the champion and runner up going to the national league at U15 (2002)R1 SOUTH SHORE SELECT U13 ELITE B1 NORTH UNITED FC RUSH W1 SDFC RAGE G1 HMMS IMPACT EAGLE FC
NPL Northeast Girls LeaguePTS (Games left)47 (7) PDA South 01 NPL 37 (5) Match Fit Academy 01 NPL 35 (4) PDA North 01 NPL 34 (5) Penn Fusion SA 01 NPL---------------------------32 (4) World Class FC 01 NPL29 (7) FC Boston 01 NPL 26 (5) Continental FC 01 NPL24 (5) East Meadow SC 01 NPL23 (8) FC Stars of Mass 01 NPL 21 (6) FSA FC 01 NPL19 (7) Connecticut FC 01 NPL 8**(6) FC Bucks 01 NPL 4**(5) Albertson SC 01 NPL ** Eliminated
Elite Clubs National LeagueU14 Northeast ConferenceMetro DivisionPTS (games left)39 (5) Match Fit Academy ECNL U1431 (5) PDA ECNL U1430 (4) Penn Fusion SA ECNL U1418** (5) World Class FC ECNL U143** (5) FC Bucks ECNL U141** (6) Continental FC Delco ECNL U14New England Division38 (6) East Meadow Soccer Club ECNL U1426 (7) FC Stars of Massachusetts ECNL U1429 (5) FC Boston Scorpions ECNL U1425 (6) Albertson Fury ECNL U1420** (6) FSA FC ECNL U1417** (6) Connecticut FC ECNL U14** Eliminated
EDP NPLYour guess is as good as mine.
EPA State cup for you NJ peoplePAC win over PU yesterday. State semis PAC v PL coming upLocal rivalry at its best!!
Should be should be a good game. I could see it going either way.
7:45, you’re right, you’re right, but who cares, who cares??
Orlando Pride set the bar high in front of a National Women’s Soccer League (NWSL) record single-game attendance of 23,403 fans at the Orlando Citrus Bowl.First Portland and now Orlando maybe Sky Blue can average 2k with their we are NJ marketing pitch and maybe PA/NY can get teams? This is good for the league just never thought that OR and FL would support the womens game more by reading this board maybe it's true we are only a few on the board.
8:00 didn't have their coffee yet.
Orlando has starsNew Jersey has Kelly O'Hara, a rookie from Rutgers and some pretty good internationals.How is it the NY area is treated this way in NWSL?
it's not about starts it's about support. That's why all the posters on here protect their kid's club from other hacks on this board just like 8:00.Sky Blue is NJ and NJ is showing how much support they give. I know we all support the WNT that's not good enough. if you support PDA, MF, NJ Crush, NJ Wildcats, NJCSA, Boca, TSF, GSP, NJ Rush, STA and any other club on here.
9:48 here again.Approx 200 teams per age groupu8 =2800u9 = 2800u10 = 2800u11 = 2800u12 = 2800u13 = 2800u14 = 3600u15 = 3600u16 = 3600u17 = 3600u18 = 3600------------37,800 players in NJ this yearand all we get is 1,600 per game 4%.yes, then we blame the league for not paying the playersor we blame the team for not having stars or ESPN orFXfornotputting them on TV. Why would they when no one caresThis is the problem with soccer in the states.In europe and other parts of the world kids love the badge from when they are young and they want to play for the club when they get older. All our kids want to play on the WNT -running before they learn to walk. VA/MD you guys area little better as you have two states supporting the Spirit but you are not even at 4k. But it's womens soccer right who cares this is just a youth soccer board right? So much more fun posting on this board like the people we want to reach actually do read it, right.GS 4 Life
Thus the reason why Women players get paid less than men, it's not about the work ethic, championships and cups accomplished its marketing people. How many families are supporting women's team now? Look if a professional athlete from one of the 4 major NY sports shows up at a mall you see a crowd of people looking for autographs or taking pictures. If a Skyblue player shows up its like a normal person shopping and 99% people would even know who she was unless your dd recognizes her and its not guaranteed she may recognize her.
How does SJEB show up to a Cup game vs PDA Ajax without a US Club carded coach? Did the coach leave his/her pass at home?
Who will be coaching NJ CRUSH 02 team next year? Will tsunami be the 02 or 01 team next year?
@ 11:07 am. Here is the major reason I review this blog. What is going on, how can that happen? So they forfeit due to that? No game was played at all, so 30 players and 50 parents/family show up and no game played? They could not get the card out to this guy, delay game, or get a carded coach there? Please tell me there is more to this story. That is horrific if you ask me.
12:55. That is what I am wondering. I noticed it on the NJ Cup page. The comment on the site is: "Forfeit. SJEB didn;t have a US Club Soccer carded coach.". How can that be?
haha ha ha hawho cares?
I don't know the whole story. Maybe a Barons or Ajax parent can give more detail, but a friend of our daughter plays for Barons and said their coach on site did not have credentials and their other coach was very late. Game was delayed 30 minutes at which time it was a forfeit. They did eventually play the game, but the result was still a forfeit. Not the first this has occurred according to this blog.
Can you imagine being a player on that team, your club just blew your chances to go to a national cup event, man that was suck, I know my kid would be pissed.
Wow.Car trouble and other emergencies do happen.
Pretty sure some parents may want to harm someone....
Sp poor cell signal in that area?
Doubt they were going to beat Ajax anyway but players and parents should not be happy. That game brings you to semis.
Thus the mergerNot enough coaches to cover it all. Mergers also often merge some staff, at least.Having 2 carded coaches at the bigger games also makes sense - and go in separate cars if you can :)
I hear all the comments. But it is youth soccer, U14 for C's Sake. Let them play, make up the game later, I don't know. something besides a forfeit. How can we as parents let this happen. Their has to be more to the story. It was a Saturday night. could not wait longer, reschedule? I mean my daughter is a fighter and champion, she would never, ever want to win on a forfeit, it is a cowardly way to post a win. And the Barons if in the "A" game mode can certainly have won. Just horrible
Merger did not even occur yet. That has no impact on this game. Their head coach is responsible. How can this ever happen ? Makes everyone nervous about the merger after this incident. How can anyway trust SJEB after this stupid occurrence ? WOW just WOW !!!!!
yeah, I know, ShirleyThe merger may help in not seeing more of these situations occurGet it? Got it? Good.
3:51 You're an idiot. I was responding to a previous comment. My point was who would want to merge with SJEB after this moronic stunt on Saturday ? The merger brings two teams together, it won't improve common sense. So go shove it !!!
SJEB had his card electronically on his phone. Apparently this usually is ok, but not for a state cup game. Head coach showed up with his card at 6:30 for a 6:00 game. As the refs prepared to start the game the PDA coach ran right over with her rule book stating that if a team is not prepared to begin a game more than 10 minutes after the scheduled start time they must forfeit. So the game could have been played. PDA is such a classy organization..... All about the kids!!
Now I say WOWBooooooo, PDAand 4:08 - have a Coke and a smile, bro.
Can someone remind me what P-D-A stands for?
I guess PDA was afraid they might not win. Poor sportsmanship coach !!! Hope you lose now, you will anyway. Karma is a bitch.
12:05. I believe (but don't quote me on this) tsunami will be the 01 team. More than half of tsunami Npl are 01s. 02 Npl team to be coached by Lee Glover
????? ... I heard if your in NWSL league you will be part of the DA program on the girl side ... Sky blue is part of NWSL league ... Who will they affiliate themselves with in New Jersey just a question .
4:30 you are completely wrong and you are what is wrong with this board. The referees made the call. They adhered to the rule and would not not allow any lenience. The PDA coach pleaded with the ref to give them more time. The second coach arrive after 6:30. You have no clue because you certainly were not there. The PDA show much more class than you certainly have.
Copa has already affiliated with SkyBlue. Let's see if this brings them the DA
9:53 pm ... Thank you ... Match fit PDA njcsa redbulls have the DA on the boys side in nj ... Will it be the same for the girls ... Any idea how many teams they will take from nj
@4:30. Why would you say this if not true. Come on. The refs would not allow the game to start with pleading of PDA? Then the refs are horrible. These are 13/14 year old girls. What is wrong with people. And I am all for calling all fouls throw ins etc. but this is ridiculous no common sense. What team wants to win that way. This is the worst thing I have ever heard. People are busy the guy has a card and is carded as coach. Play the game Don't we learn through sports to be fair and use common sense. I hate this situation. Poor baron girls. I am very sorry this happened to you. Not fair at all. If PDA Ajax really pleaded with ref great for Coach. She deserves reward.
No one would want to win that way. It should be about the kids and thankfully most of the time it is. I have respect for both teams as my daughter has played against both. I am sure the Barons coaches feel horrible and they should. You are only 14 once. What kind of memory is that going to leave?
Stop your moaning, and go win the US Club Mid-Atlantic Regional in July. You can then join your pals at Ajax in Colorado, and beat their asses fair and square.
I have 2 comments for the last few whining posters:1. Vote for Bernie Sanders if you want a fair world2. Let's line all the poor girls up and give them all participation medalsYes it absolutely sucks but the rules are the rules. These are the situations that are learning moments for the girls, can't shelter them from "bad" things until they become adults and turn into poor little entitled queens.
Have seen this a couple times in nj. Refs still get paid and are in a rush to leave. They are there just for the money. Great soccer in nj maybe the worst refs ever though.
Just curious you said game was played anyway. Who won scrimmage?
Did the refs stay for the "scrimmage" as well?
MFA lost the DA. That has got to be worse than never having it right?
7:09 I agree, life isn't always fair rules are rules7:19 refs leave to go to another game would you rather they go late? Sure then we can kill them for showing up late. There is a schedule that every body has to keep, refs do more than 1 game a dayI think the bad refs comment can be said about many states, most struggle with the offside rule (not offsides if the player is not involved in the play) and the handball rule.8:39 I agree, that looks bad - the USSF said they didn't meet their standards. If you believe this board many players are leaving which opened up a bunch of rosters. I wonder if those players let the coach and the club already know so they can fill those spots. My guess is they didn't and are using the board as a forum for their anger. Let's see which team gets a lot of love next season
How do you know MF didn't receive the DA? Is this posted somewhere?
He is referring to MF losing boys DA.
Girls DA info below:Timeline:May 2, 2016 - Club Applications Open OnlineMay 3 - 19, 2016 - Webinar Information Sessions for Interested ClubsJuly 1, 2016 at 11:59 p.m. CT - Last day to submit an application. Clubs will be selected on a rolling basis throughout the remainder of the 2016 calendar yearSeptember 1, 2017 - Start of the 2017-2018 Girls' Development Academy seasonThe questions included in the online application will focus on the following areas:Player Pool and MarketPlayer Development Effectiveness (YNT, WNT and Pro Player Production)Staff Leadership, Structure and QualificationsStyle of Play and PhilosophyTraining Environment and Personal DevelopmentFacilities and InfrastructureRespectResources, Fees, Scholarship and Financial Assistancehttp://www.ussoccerda.com/girls-development-academy-application-process-faqs
5:07PDA - Player Development Academy NPL - No Possibility League
PDA - Players Developed Already
@1007 - MF had the boys DA and that was taken from them. They are not running well on the girls side at all - coaches and players have left - no way us soccer is giving them girls da
10:52 I think you need to be more specific in regards to NPL (which league(s)) - because it look like you are not familiar with the platform. TBDEastern Development Program - NPL DivisionGulf States Premier LeagueNew England Premier LeagueNew York Club Soccer League - NPL DivisionNortheast Girls NPLSouth Central Premier LeagueUnited Soccer ClubsQualified:FC Florida 01/02G Elite Blue-NPL (FL)Omaha Elite Girls Academy Maroon 01/02 (NE)De Anza Force 01G Blue (CA)Arizona Arsenal U14 Girls (AZ)United Futbol Academy 02G Premier (GA)Crossfire Premier ECNL G02 (WA)Claremont Stars SC 01 (CA)FC Virginia United Elite 01 (VA)Teams that have a shot at Denver and this must drive you crazy I guess which State PA, NY or NJ - come don't be whimpy at least call out the league and the team(s) you have a beef withNYMassapequaManhattanISANYSCQuickstrikeNJNJ CrushSTANJ WildcatsNJ Rush BlueNJCSAPDA AjaxPDA DragonsMF NPLPALVUPF NPLCFC NPL
Good one 11:53, bravo!
7:43 8:29 - SJEB was told PDA Coach would give them until 6:30 to present coach with a card that was in proper format (not electronic card). 2nd SJEB coach arrived by 6:30. Prior to going on field coaches and referees were in discussion. SJEB players all saw and heard PDA coach pull rules up on phone and complain that the rules stated 10 minutes. SJEB girls were visibly upset at what was happening. Girls went on field to play and ref called both teams together to tell them SJEB forfeited and PDA won. Referees stayed for "friendly" with no contact. SJEB lost 2-0. Tough to play after being sucker punched by PDA coach one minute before the whistle blew. Referees confirmed after game with bystanders that it wasn't them and that the PDA coach's complaints resulted in forfeit. We are in a digital age... electronic cards should be acceptable forms of ID. PDA had to also know he was a properly licensed coach. If credentials weren't there and forfeit is the result so be it, but the PDA coach "pleaded" with no one to let the game go on. She maybe didn't expect the other coach to show up in time and when he did she insisted on winning by forfeit. Very sad PDA.
Okay so which PDA team will be better with the addition of MF ECNL & PDA South players plus othersGalaxy/StormStorm/SplashMore importantly -what teams have the player pool to compete?
1:30 sounds like Barons coach trying to save his butt and / or job. Nice.
If true, PDA Ajax parents should also be upset.I dont want my daughter winning in this fashion.
I highly doubt Ajax would be that concerned with Barons. Seen them both play several times, not even close. How about we move on to something people care about. Any feed back on club tryouts so far with the age change?
The teams will be different next year. That's my take.
DisagreeI do think this is very important to discuss. Teams acting in this fashion should be frowned uponOf course there could be a defense of the action - maybe 1-2 Ajax players had to leave at a certain time - or the coaches had to coach another gameLets hear the reason. Your turn, Ajax.
If Ajax was the reason for the forfeit, shame on them and understandably people are upset. Don't know if that was the case, but how about placing the blame where it belongs. Have the coaches at the field with the proper credentials before game time and then it is a non issue. A couple years back a PDA coach at an older age did the same thing for a state cup game and was ripped mercilessly here for not having their card. Take some responsibility and be done with it.
The Barons coach shows up a half hour late causing a forfeit for his team and you are pinning this on the Ajax coach?Um, there are such things as rules. Not sure what you are trying to teach your girls, but blaming the team who was on time and ready to play sounds f*ed up to me.I would be pissed if I was a Baron's parent, I can tell you that. What is the story with that coach? Have they had issues like this before?
What the PDA coach did or didn't do is besides the point. The Baron's coach should never have put his team in a position where a forfeit was a possible outcome. I would rather the league plays by the rules than decide on a case by case basis when it's ok to bend them. This loss is on the coach.
Not besides the point. Ajax tried to paint their coach and themselves as magnanimous on this board by saying she "pleaded" for the game to be played. She didn't. I am not arguing that card should have been there in printed format and blame lies with team that was unprepared. PDA didn't have to extend the 10 minute deadline, but they did and then reneged which is their choice. Don't paint it as something it is not.
I have seen players get benched for being late for pre-game warm-ups. Nothing wrong with laying the blame for this one on the Barons staff who did not show up in a prepared and timely manner.It is not the Ajax coach's responsibility to save the Barons staff from themselves.
It's over lets move one folks, mistakes occur. Does it happen yes should of it no. I think players and parents are more concerned with tryouts this year vs state cup games or league game. PDA 02 tryouts tonight, what do think is the over and under of players 75+ or 120+.
State Cup always importantKeep a close eye on that Ajax outfit
If state cup was important then why is the ECNL teams from PDA and Matchfit not competing in it? As your dd gets older you will find out the hard way that a State Cup game is just another game and recruitment is more important. Ask your daughter is she would rather attend a state cup game or if the college of her choice has a camp that weekend which one she would attend?
I think the pda barrons thing is a joke. Arbitrary rule that is not common practice. Coach was operating within the spirit of the rule. Pretty weak by pda coach. Small bad on sjeb for not knowing rules but club should know this rule.
PDA/Ajax forgot to assign refs for home games a time or two I recall. Don't remember us forfeiting those games then. Guess W's are important now.
These posters have accomplished the impossible, they are creating sympathy for PDA.Save the anti-PDA bias for a real issue, folks. This just stupid.
Unfortunately, the state cup isn't what it once was.When the top teams don't even bother to play anymore, it's lost it's luster.I still it's great to win it, no matter who is left playing.PDA AJAX should have played the game without pulling that rule, I am sure every other team would have waited the 30 minutes.
My guess is that they would to have moved the game to another day. There are other teams that use those fields all day.
5:42 do your parents know you are posting on this blog?
State Cup is quite important...if you are in it.But PERSPECTIVE isn't this board's strong suit.Has nothing to do with who isn't playing
@ 5:51I don't think its PDA bias as much as fair play bias. If you agreed to wait then you agree to wait. If the scenario portrayed is accurate a completely bush league cop out from Ajax. Why would everyone wait around for the half hour if it wasn't agreed to initially? Ajax story seems a little light. Refs would have left after 15 minutes with their $.
9:37 on May 7th take a ride to Holmdel and watch about 10 minutes BEFORE kick off how the coaches have in their possession all required credentials and they show it to the refs. It will be a good lesson for all. Then stick around and watch one of the games. Should be entertaining. Maybe my daughters team will beat Ajax for you.
STA hit some hard times recently. Were they still in the right flight at jefferson? 4 wins, 1 tie and they dropped 7 games this springSTA Morris United NPL 011:2 Jersey Shore Boca Jr. Fusion 0:1 SJEB '01G NPL0:4 REAL SOUNDERS1:2 Massapequa NPL-010:4 MARYLAND UNITED FC 01-ECNL (MD)1:3 PDA AJAX (NJ)0:1 NJ CRUSH FC TSUNAMI 01 NPL6:1 UPPER 90 FURY3:0 NY Rush NPL-012:0 GPS-MA NPL GIRLS 01/023:0 NJ CRUSH FC TSUNAMI 0:0 GPS NJ CENTRAL U14G
I'm tired of you ECNL snobs saying the State Cup's are not important. There are many more teams that are not playing in "college camps" or what ever showcases you think are more important. This is not an ECNL blog, it is a U14 Girls blog. As for Barrons coach. He is wrong. No matter what the Ajax coach said or did not say, the coach needs to be at the game in time. He is getting paid to be there, be on time. It is said for those girls, so now it is up to the parents to either make a choice to come back to this team, or demand a new coach
Trash talk is king on this blogAnytime one's team is not participating in an event, that event is disparaged...Plus notice the high NJ traffic lately?
Heard there was big turnout at PDA tryouts
How many 2002's showed up?
Nope only about 55+ turned out for PDA Tryouts.
So everyone makes the 2 teams?
1124 Now that was the best post in the past year! Many are headed to MF tryouts next week I hear.
have fun there - the coaches for that age left, and so did players - so there will be alot of spots
Where is everyone going if tryout numbers are down for the 02/01 age groups. Are they most likely staying put awaiting for next year with DA or is it just that year where girls starting falling off and not worrying about playing anymore since HS is around the corner.
It does look like many of the 01's that were on the bubble for playing time on a combined 01/02 team, are not even trying out for a dedicated 01 team this year. Hard to accept playing on a "B" team if you feel your "A" team material.
12:54 makes sense at 01/02 going into HS it's less desirable for a player and parent to rejoin knowing a demotion to the B squad is most likely, so yes 12:48 it's that time when the true players standing out from other teams start moving together and the players on the bubble are leaving to rejoin 2nd tier clubs and focusing on school.
PF 02 tryouts tonight..
1:02 - I think you are correct. I think girls that are B team will be going to local clubs to finish playing club soccer. Playing HS and Club with their friends, this is what girls want. With the teams breaking up this year because of BY , girls are already upset. Then with the DA coming next yr more things will change.
Numbers are solid at our club01s 65+02s 85+ECNL loses players bc of high roster #/$ and players decide they want to play and not warm the bench anymore
PF Tryouts are done they already have selected there roster from ID events, so tryouts are more for 2nd and possibly 3rd level teams.
1:39 if you have 85+ at your PDA then how come tryouts were below that then?
1:40Not according to TM1:42Where did you read PDA in 1:39?I think I read numbers at tryouts at a nameless club...
I don't think current ECNL players can go try out on another team until next week. ECNL rule.
So there will be 20 more players at their tryouts next week?
there could be some movement from PF to CFC.
2:04 - ECNL has some stupid rules. Is there an ECNL rule about offering spots on a team to players from other clubs , Non-ECNL or ECNL , before try outs even happen?
I do hear an 01 is going from CFC to PF.I would think if you are an 01 or 02 and not making PF you can go to CFC.
CostHigh school starting Academy comingCommute Roster size Team changes as result of birth yearLots of possible reasons and everyone has their own
I heard no 01's have been offered spots yet at PF but a ton of 02's. Didn't CFC's U-15's(mostly 01's) just beat PF's U-15's? Why move?
12:15 the MF coaches did not leave voluntarily. They were replaced. If NJ kids leave MF and do not go to PDA and PDA only... then they would be making a significant mistake with their soccer future after high school, in my opinion.
U15 CFC did beat PF there are 9 01's on that CFC team and they will be joining with the 01's on a u14 team that has not won a game all year. If the 01's from CFC and PF u15 teams would join on one squad now that would be make a good team. Why move? get a jump on DA if you want to play on the DA team.
3:24 thank you DA Coach.
Have to agree. Best to stay or go to a club that will have the DA. CFC has a much better chance than PF. Nothing better than a year long tryout, if your kid is good.
3:24, that's why there will be 20 more girls at the PDA tryouts next week
I'm sure all of them will make the team
"STA hit some hard times recently. Were they still in the right flight at jefferson? 4 wins, 1 tie and they dropped 7 games this spring"It's over for Timmy Verschuren. Players from U14 both 2002's and 2001's PDA, MFA, Legacy, Copa try-outs. Word is out. They will be lucky to make 1 team out of the scraps left from their two teams...
PF tryouts were a joke!
This has been brought up in the past on this blog. STA would gloat about their wins and how good their red team or top teams were at u12 or 13. Responses to their posts would say wait until the older levels when college exposure is important and the best girls would leave for the MF's and PDA's. Well here we are. They do have strong younger teams for both boys and girls.
I know of 4 MF players being called back to PDA. that has to hurt the roster for next year
9:44 Who cares? I am certain MF will replace anyone who leaves... Players come and players go... Their history says it won't affect them if true.
908 why were they joke.
Since ECNL clubs are not allowed to have existing ECNL players tryout prior to May 1st, I doubt any MF players have been asked to be "called back to PDA". Now if you said they were told to come back after May 1st, I would believe you
So the 02 tryouts were a joke at PF?? Is this factual or fearful for your daughter's own tryout?I ask bc my daughter is trying out 01 but didn't make the ID sessions earlier on and TM has definitely "talked the talk"
9:44, adding 4 doesn't hurt the roster. It just adds 4 more to the roster.
6:20 - If your daughter didn't get an invitation to join the team yet then try outs might not go good for her. I would bet that at least 17 out of the 22 spots have been filled. They need girls for the NPL team probably. Is the NPL or even the ECNL worth the time and money(3500)? Only you and your daughter can answer that question.Good luck
Thanks 8:01No invite this time around. Offered spot last year but chose to remain at her club.
22 spots = ridiculous
Of coarse these coaches talk the talk! They need their rosters filled and their pay checks big. They will tell parents everything they know they want to hear. You will think your child is gods gift to soccer after all the bullsh#t!
3500 for NPL even more ridiculous.
Any roster over 18 is absurd
3500 for any team is ridiculous!!!!!!! What NPL is 3500?
NPL at PF is about $2800.
What club are people talking about that is $3500?
PF ECNL is $3500
Wow and people actually pay that? That's not with a roster of 22 then too is it?
Yes and add in all the travel and its 6000 more than that.
Reality check time
8:30 - is that cost for PF NPL this years or last years?
Wow! Is that for 01 or 02? Talk about cashing in and getting raises and bonuses.
all this talk about players leaving teams how do we know the actual impact of next year's teams with the birth year change? outside of new players to a program, how good are your 02 u13s that will be joining your 02 U14s at u15 next year? the 01s rising to u16 and combining with the current u15 01s, how do they compliment each other? then add new players to the program. we are going to see totally new teams regardless of player movement. what i am trying to say is.... it is very premature to talk about the quality of a team in 16/17. even with rumored players leaving.... CFC, PF, MF, PDA, etc...
The PF costs, $3500 for ECNL and $2800 for NPL, are what were communicated to parents at a meeting about a month ago. Those are the costs for the 16/17 season.
Sorry $3500 plus traveling expenses(Flights, Car Rental, Hotels) and for those traveling from Central PA like PL that even additional cost so $7000 a year is about right. The whole team better get an invite to the national pool for spending that type of $'s. Big question is a roster of 22 will it provide enough playing time to satisfy a child. Also are the Top 3 given discounts?
Thee are always discounts/scholarships offered to induce players to sign up from other teams.PDA has always been the king in that regard. That is why they must have all the B Teams parents pay full boat to cover the shortfall so they can pay coaches, administrators and facilities costs.
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