World Class Hamm!Oops, they did not get accepted, sorry my bad.
3:31pm again. People on here are funny. Calling me a bozo but they're too lazy/incompetent to form a reasoned response. And I'm not from PA and my daughter plays for a team not on my list but judging by other lists, a team that a lot of people on here thinks should be in the top flight.But to answer your snide but otherwise useless comment, yes, I have two PA teams. One is clearly the top team in PA right now and the other one won a top flight at Jeff Cup last year. If you disagree, either back it up with reasons or shut up.To the one who suggested BRYC instead, here's my logic: BRYC and PF tied at WAGS (0-0) so that didn't help. Since they were in the same flight at Jeff Cup last year, I picked the winner of that flight, Penn Fusion.
Dude - get currentNo way in ---- BRYC isnt it top bracket
BRYC? Maybe but that poor showing at CASL does stand out and 11/8& 9 is pretty current. And frankly there are some ties and one goal wins to some rather weak teams earlier this fall. Looks like they hit their stride at bethesda so they have that. And I'm the guy who said you could make an argument FOR them, but who would you replace? We're talking nothing but top teams here.
If you move BRYC in I would move World Class out.
Give me 10 to 1 and move CRUSH in
"that poor showing at CASL"This team has 3 titles and 2 seconds for 2014. (I may be light by 1)Are you jumping at, cherry picking certain scores to go against this?
.....and before you downplay the competition level, look at quality wins in their team history. Then compare it to some other teams, such as Fusion.
CALVERTL'sDALLAS TEXANS 02 DALLAS (TXN) 1-2CASL JUNIORS LADIES (NC) 1-2WEST FLORIDA FLAMES EAST (FL) 0-2NJ WILDCATS AVERBUCH (NJ) 1-2PIPELINE SC BLACK (MD) 1-2W's outside ofEDPPLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY STORM (NJ) 3-2FSA FC U13 GIRLS NPL 01 (CT) 3-0BRYCFC VIRGINIA PRE-ECNL 01 (VA) 0-1FC STARS OF MASSACHUSETTS NORTH UNITED (MA) 0-2JFC STORM 01/02 (FL) 1-4CREW JUNIORS CREW JUNIROS GOLD WEST (OS) 1-2Big W'sGREATER BINGHAMTON FC 01 SELECT (NYW) 2-0MATCH FIT ACADEMY FC PRE ECNL (NJ) 2-0MARYLAND UNITED FC ECNL (MD) 1-0BETHESDA SC ACADEMY 2001 BLUE (MD) 2-1I would pick BRYC - I'm sorry Calvert has done little for me to be a top flight team.
Not picking on Calvert I think they are a nice team 2nd flight for sure. They won 12 games as a u13 team and lost 5and also have 2 ties. Not exactly a top flight team in my eyes. If you look at them out side of EDP they are sub .500 in 6 games played. Not top flight.EDP W10, L2, T1, GF24, GA7NON-EDP W2, L3, T1, GF9, GA9
Penn Legacy Top Flight? Beside Penn Fusion beat down Creeks win, no other big wins - Why is this worthy of top flight?CREEKS SOCCER 01/02 CREEKS KRUSH ELITE (FL) 2-1PENN FUSION SA '01G ECNL (PAE) 5-1CREW JUNIORS CREW JUNIROS GOLD WEST (OS) 1-3CES CALVERT CREW WHITE (MD) 1-1NJ WILDCATS AVERBUCH (NJ) 1-1ATLETICOGU12 (NYE) 3-0NJSA 04 GALAXY (NJ) 3-1PIPELINE SC BLACK (MD) 4-1UKRAINIAN NATIONALS BLASTERS BLACK (PAE) 5-1UKRAINIAN NATIONALS BLASTERS RED (PAE) 5-0FUSION FC STRIKERS (PAE) 4-0HEREFORD HER-RICANES (MD) 6-0PAGSRAGE SC '01 Atheltica 2-0UKRAINIAN NATIONALS Blasters Black 3-1PHWM Pumas 7-1HULMEVILLE Dynamo 7-0FC REVOLUTION Force 5:1 YMS Banshees 1:3 1776 UNITED '01 2:2LDC UNITED Attack 2:0YMS Banshees 5:3PA CLASSICS Academy 01 3:1
Going back to your listBracket ATri-StateCalvertPenn LegacyWildcatsBracket BFCVWorld ClassCincyPenn FusionCalvert Out Penn Legacy OutBRYC, CASL (beat Calvert head 2 head),either PDA team can make a play for top flight.
9:37Maryland United and Bethesda Blue are not " Big W's"You were fine with just mentioning GB & MF Pre-E, don't push it!
My bad I thought I read on here that Maryland was used as a big win. Just wanted to be consistent.I take back Bethesda you are right.
I guess i listed them because I listed FSA NPL for Calvert. I think they both are better than FSA NPL
You guys are daftOf course Maryland United countsLook at who THEY have defeated - and soundly.As with Match Fit ECNL in NJ, dont get fooled by MDFC's rank
9:53..Guess we will see tomorrow at 1:00! My question would be "why exactly is that NOT deserving???"
9:57You must be from PDA. Too funny!
Didn't wold Class beat PDA Dragons this fall?They also played in much stronger pre -ecnl league.No way Dragons make top flight over them.
10:35I did look, some impressive ties over the last 6-7 months, no wins against elite teams(unless you count PA Crew which I wouldn't) but also a couple ties with not so impressive teams. Wouldn't say beating MDFC would qualify a team(BRYC in this case) to be in top division, other wins more impressive, like I said. They(MDFC) are a very good team, should be second division and have a great chance to prove themselves.And to whomever said they didn't want to go if their kids team wasn't top division is crazy, Assuming these divisions are 8 teams, second division is going to be stacked as well, with every one playing to prove they deserved to be in first. Going to be some great soccer!
Yeah, I was the moron who said I did not want to go to JeffCup unless we were not top flighted, duh! Why am I complaining? I guess it's a competitive creature by nature, and my child's success is paramount to me, but sometimes her ultimate happiness suffers. I am weak that way, I am a victim of my own imagination. My child won't even ask what flight they are playing in, they just want to compete, and of course win.
7:27 at least you are honest about it.Yes, it's about your own ego for you and not about your kid.You are not alone as there are many other moron parents like you out there in youth soccer.You are the ones who are devastated by losses and complain about your teams coaching and training and always looking to move your daughter to greener pastures and the latest and greatest, while in the meantime your kid is probably already thinking about where she is going to eat and what she is doing tonight on her way home from a loss in the car, while you can't let go.Then you come home and attack the other team, their parents, coaches,style of play etc. on the blog when you get back home to get even for them beating your kids team.
Many of us have egos, but its not one or the other. It can be YOU enjoying the ride - AND doing what is best for your daughter as well.Enjoy the success of others - yes, even opponents along the way. So much more rewarding this way, socially and in terms of the mental health of player and parent.
ahhhh, 7;27 am here, and while I always appreciate an honest response, you have taken it way too far.I am never devastated by a loss, if sucks, but it happens.I have only moved my daughter once since u11, for the much better might I add.We never discuss the game, win loss or draw, unless she brings it up.Finally, I do not attack anyone on this blog, and while I may poke a few teams, its all done with goodness in my heart.So there.
I'm sorry but I laugh at comments like 12:25 & 12;32 telling 7:27 what he needs to do or thinking they know what he/she does. I'm with 7:27 I want what's best for my kid and don't need anyone to be PC with me.PS. What makes anyone think this guy/gal isn't having the time of his/her life watching a kid become a young lady and a soccer star. I am obviously enjoying the ride for as long as it lasts since I found this board to post with other nuts, shills, crazies, coaches, yahoos and yes maybe some kids.
12:34 so that makes you a better parent? How can you say you never attacked anyone but you say that you poke fun at a few teams - this is an anonymous board and you can never tell how some takes your post, what if they take it as an attack?I'm all about talking soccer from GS, to results to development to clubs BUT NEVER about what someone should do with their KID talk about taking it to far.I got your back 7:27
I'm with 12:34. &:27, like so many others on this board, attacked someone over an honest post about exhibiting behavior many of us share to some extent. And so what if someone sometimes pokes fun at a few teams? I'm not going to worry about whether someone might take some good-natured ribbing as an attack. I'd much rather have open and honest conversations instead of having to worry about whether some wimp has his feelings hurt by an innocuous post.
Isn't that what 7:27 did honest post attacking no one.So 1:15, you are with 12;34 & 27 which attacked him, but yet don't see it that way. You don't care if feelings get hurt by attacking a team (another kid's child) by poking fun at them. Wonder how you would take it? Let me guess it doesn't bother you because you don't talk about it with anyone you just post about it.
jeff cup announcing top flights for girls as we speak.Will someone post top flight for u13 when it is announced.thanks.
I’m sorry, but if Ajax gets into the top flight, I am going to throw-up.
They didn't but that is the least of it
One teams u12 one never played before?
Calvert, Wildcats penn fusion, UGA
Richmond United, cinnC
Boys, they could not be more stupid....
Bracket ACalvertCASL (NC)WildcatsFCVBracket BUFA (GA)CincinnatiPenn FusionRichmond
cASL, fcv, and UFA sorry
Richmond United. What a joke! Just on results and skill (ignoring GotSoccer), they're not in the top three of Virginia, maybe not even the top 5. The only reason they made the top flight is because it is a Richmond Strikers tournament. It's shameful that Jefferson Cup is playing favorites with its club team.
Calvert inGood luck, Wildcats. Enjoy the process.Seems we all overlooked the home squad
Bracket ACalvert #1 MD #6 NatCASL (NC) #1 NC #131 NatWildcats #2 NJ #11FCV #1 VA #7UFA (GA) #2 GA #83Cincinnati #2 OH # 41Penn Fusion #4 #63Richmond #22 # 849
No one overlooked the home squad, its just that they don't belong in the top flight, and probably not even in the second flight. It just goes to show that all of the tournament's talk about their careful selection process is a load of crap.Did you see what was the team's qualification listed in JeffCup's twitter post? "training for first ECNL season" That applies to every pre-ECNL team in the country but at leasta lot of those other teams have played in and won tournaments. Richmond United has done nothing.Absolutely disgraceful.
Does anyone know when the other brackets will be announced, and I have to agree, Richmond getting the nod over many other more deserving teams is a complete disgrace.
The Georgia team wasn't even listed in the accepted teams. Jeff Cup has really screwed this up.
Richmond who?? Over Penn Legacy who beat Penn Fusion 5-1?! Wow... Speechless.
Jefferson Cup Girls U13 Championship Flight Projected Flight Value 9,500. GS Rank6 CES Calvert CREW White7 FC Virginia Pre-ECNL 0111 NJ Wildcats Averbuch41 Cincinnati United Soccer Club CUP Gold63 Penn Fusion SA '01G ECNL131 CASL CASL Juniors Ladies4020 Richmond United U13 Pre ECNL83 UFA Premier (Not on Accepted list - ooooppps) Calvert and Richmond I would have not picked, Congrats to all the teams and Good Luck, curious to see how this plays out.For the GS lovers 2nd Flight and 3rd Flight to carry a bunch of points unless another Richmond type selection happens.
Dude, that’s just the top flight, relax....
Anyone's daughter have experience with Next Gen USA programs? What do you think? What have you heard?
2:56, get out of here with that, we are all complaining about Jeff cup!
So Richmond United is a combination of Richmond Strikers and Richmond Kickers. Last year, the Strikers’ A team won one game in State Cup before losing 4-1in the semis. The Kickers A team lot in the quarterfinals 5-2 to the same team who later beat the Strikers. And yet we’re supposed to believe that a combination of two mediocre teams now belongs in the top flight of Jefferson Cup. What a crock.
This will not stand, I am calling my Congressman!This is madness...THIS IS SPARTA!!!
really Good teams - to be placed in flights together, so they are not in the championship flight, they will get some good games played and equal GS points if not more than the top fligt.CFC Arsenal SkyNJ Crush FC TsunamiTri-State FA Elite 011776 United XtremesBRYC 01 EliteMaryland United FC 01 ECNLNew York SC G01Oakwood Soccer ClubPDA AjaxPDA DragonsPenn Legacy FC 01 BlackSTA Morris United NPL 01 World Class FC '01 Charlton
Yeah Jeff Cup Conversation more important. Waste of time if your team is not in the top 2 brackets what is the sense of traveling down there to compete in 3/4 brackets. As for Next Gen if not selected for the free TIP program don't waste the money they ask to pay for camps other programs within the umbrella to support salaries. Bunch of guys that got greedy and walked away from a huge pool of kids in the EDP league to develop. They are looking for a bigger pay day which is not happening. EDP TIP to College was just announced and will evolve more into the EDP league and universities connection.
Now mind you, I am partial because my kids team did not make the so-called top flight, but I am hopeful that after looking at this list, she will have a great and competitive time with some of the best teams on the East Coast of these United States...
Bracket A looking a lot harder than Bracket B, IMHO.
Assuming JeffCup goes by quality and results (and not club connections again), the second flight should be worth more GotSoccer points than the top flight – STA, World Class, BRYC, Ajax and Tri-State should make the flight worth 10,000 points.
@3:29, they're probably trying to give Richmond United a chance to tie a game, so their choice would look quite so pitiful.
Anyone know when the other flights will be announced?
Bracket ACalvertCASLWildcatsFCVUFACincinnatiPenn FusionRichmondI disagreeCincinnati is a top team rankings aside Top Drawer has them as 14 ahead of FCV. PennFusion is a solid Team and UFA beat SouthShore 6-2. Richmond oh well.FCV top Region1 Team followed by a strong Wildcats team both will beat CASL and CES. I think CASL beats CES again who will drop another 3 games in my opinion. FCV vs Cincinnati in the Finals. But of course they have to play the games this game is not played on paper or in some yahoos mind.
For my GS friends - all you need is 5 of these 12 teams in the same flight and you will have a 10,000 max flight. So Both 2nd and 3rd in addition to having great comp should have max GS value - consider this a gift for some teams that missed the Championship Flight. Honestly the 4th flight will probably carry some serious points as well if GS is your cup of tea. From a comp level - I don't think Jeff will disappoint. 5 STA MORRIS UNITED NPL 01 8 WORLD CLASS FC '01 CHARLTON22 PENN LEGACY FC 01 BLACK29 BRYC 01 ELITE 31 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY AJAX 37 RAGE SC '01 ATHLETICA 44 TRI-STATE FA TFA ELITE 01 47 NEW YORK SC G01 51 NJCSA GALAXY 54 HARFORD FC UNITED THUNDER 55 OAKWOOD SC 55 YARDLEY MAKEFIELD SOCCER YMS
3:36 agree.Other than choosing their own clubs home team for top flight,(they did this in the other age groups and let's face it PDA does same thing) the jeff cup did a very good job of choosing the best 7 teams.Jeff cup did not go by just Got Soccer Rankings and most on this site are constantly saying that is not most important characteristic of true ranking so you can't argument there.It's obvious they only took 1 team per state other than grandfathering in their own Richmond team so if you disagree with top flight you have to argue that for instance, Penn Legacy deserves to flight over Penn Fusion or TFA deserves top flight over Cinn.Cinn clearly correct choice over TFA(although TFA very good team) and Penn Fusion plays better comp than Legacy so better resume overall.Other than good showing at Spirit top flight back in august when did Legacy test themselves vs top comp?No other top tournaments entered and weak league.
Depends on the cutoff for the top points. I put it at the 47th ranked team, so I doubt the third flight will get max points. Should still be alot of points though.
4:01 agreed. Same reason BRYC didn't make it as FCV was choice for top flight from Va.
I really like that 47th ranked team, don't you?
It's not that I like the 47th ranked team. It's that GotSoccer lists 4668 U13 teams and a team has to be in the top 1% to contribute 10,000 points to that tournament points. Just in case you still can't comprehend the logic, 1% of 4668 is 46.68. I rounded up to 47.
60 deep will get you max GS points since there are 4,020 ranked u13 teams.
@4:01, you can't say that they took the best teams and then also say "t's obvious they only took 1 team per state." If they truly took the 8 best teams (or 7 if you allow for the travesty of picking a mediocre club team), they would have picked teams regardless of home state
From http://home.gotsoccer.com/support.aspx?content=support§ion=Rankings&HelpID=118"Teams in the top 1% contribute 10000 points."By your count, would have to be top 40.
Full brackets out on Monday 1/19, in case anyone was wondering.
4:17 I am not saying they only took the best 7 teams.I am saying they they took the best team in their opinion when there were 2 teams from the same state in consideration for the top flight.This is true of many of these tournaments as they want a diverse group of teams so that teams that travel to come to the tournament will not play the same teams as they play in their own state .
Cinncinati Cup gold and FC Virginia look like the 2 favorites in Top flight.
60 / 4020 = 1.4925% 0R 1%
4:37 I am okay with that if you look at leagues you still have the below and there are still more quality teamsCCL #1 = FC FrederickPAGS #1 = Penn LegacyVirginia NPL #1 = PWSINYCSL NPL #1 = NYSCL NPLNYCSL PL#1 = AtleticoNE Girls NPl #1 = PDA DragonsNE NPL #2 = Oakwood Plus Pre-ECNLContinental FC Delco ECNL '01World Class '01 CharltonBethesda SC Academy 01 BlueMaryland Utd. 01 ECNLOhio Premier Fire Girls U-13 RedMcLean YSA U13 PRE-ECNL
"......and there are still more quality teams"Right. This is the beauty of this event. First flight or fifth you are getting 3 excellent games.
Unless you're playing Richmond United, then you only get two.
You dont assume they have a decent club?Do you really think they would put themselves in a position to go 0 goals for and 12-15 against?
Is that the same Richmond United team that finished as finalist in the third bracket at the CASL Shootout?
Richmond United is 849th in Nation and 22nd in VA yet they were placed in the top division at Jeff Cup. Insane.
Defeated MD United Red, who soundly defeated Ajax and a few others.BRYC likely better - we'll see
You mean Dragons and Ajax didn't get in top flight at Jeff Cup.PDA, you have some esplaining to do.Didn't they say their B Teams would be Competing in the top flights of all but the ecnl events?Guess there is not as much respect s they thought for their B Team league, NE-NPL.
They'll be there next year. Don't worry. They will be taking your teams place. Hard to be seeded at the top this year when you haven't played the top tournaments or have been trolling for Got Soccer points. This tournament is the beginning.
Better start making that Kool-Aid you serve up there a little stronger.Those brackets were not decided by Gotsoccer points.
Older groups top lights at Jeff Cup are the same as U13 top flight.A mix of teams from both non-ecnl and ecnl clubs.There is no monopoly for the ecnl clubs.Best teams are chosen regardless of club.
Richmond United beat Md United's B team at CASL, not MUFC's pre-ECNL. Trust me, there's a big difference between the two.
There is no doubt Richmond Strikers are in as a homer.But they did the same thing in every age group by putting their ecnl team in every age group in the top flight.Just another example of ECNL teams not being the be all end all.some very weak teams in ecnl.
Yes 6:13It was never stated otherwise.The MDU B team had quality wins under its belt, as was said.
I think teams will speak up if they feel they were improperly flighted. Adjustments could be made.Lets see what Monday brings.The U11 seemed a bit screwy as well.
Georgia team beat CASL at Dismney, lost 1-0 in final to FC Virginia
Dragons might get 1 win in 4th or 5th flight....
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Someone has an infatuation with PDA. Not healthy. Worry about your own team and their lack of winning.
Teams not in the top flightLeague Finish:CCL #1 = FC FrederickPAGS #1 = Penn LegacyVirginia NPL #1 = PWSINYCSL NPL #1 = NYSC '01NYCSL PL#1 = AtleticoNE Girls NPl #1 = PDA Dragonsplus teams in the top GS National 605 STA MORRIS UNITED NPL 01 8 WORLD CLASS FC '01 CHARLTON29 BRYC 01 ELITE 31 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY AJAX 37 RAGE SC '01 ATHLETICA 44 TRI-STATE FA TFA ELITE 01 51 NJCSA GALAXY 54 HARFORD FC UNITED THUNDER 55 OAKWOOD SC 55 YARDLEY MAKEFIELD SOCCER YMS Plus Pre-ECNL TeamsContinental FC Delco ECNL '01Bethesda SC Academy 01 BlueMaryland Utd. 01 ECNLOhio Premier Fire Girls U-13 RedMcLean YSA U13 PRE-ECNLThat's 21 teams if they keep it 8 teams per flight a strong 2nd and 3rd for sure.
Second and third flights will be quite good
Yes , the 2nd and 3rd flights will be also strong. It's so nice to stay positive. It's the stats that you have in front of their names that is obviously not relevant as to what flight they are put in. If you look at "those" numbers they are higher than some of the ones that are in top bracket. 11:53 and 12:53 did your girls make the top bracket?
1:49, what is your point? Are you actually trying to justify the selection process of the Jeff cup committee? Are you for real? Everyone knows that some of those teams are NOT top flight material, please, go back to your rock, and take another nap.
11:38 here - My kid will not be playing Jefferson.They used hat was important to them (it looks like u12 events as well).I respect their decision - I would not have included Calvert, PennFusion & CASL based on u13 results, but that's my opinion. I'm okay with the Homer selection it is their tournament.
Answer the question...did your daughters make top bracket? We really do appreciate the pep talk.
2:09 what part of 2:07 don't you understand? If they are not playing they can't be in Top Flight? Does that make you fell better? Penn Fusion in 3 u13 tournaments not their own - 4 Ls, 3 Ts an a win over Ajax and Pipeline.Calvert in 2 tournaments outside of EDP and their inflated GS values - 3 Ls, 2 Ts and a win over PipelineCASL lost West Florida twice who went 0-3 at CASL with a - 10 GD in top flight and 1-2 at Disney with only win vs Calvert. But they are in 3rd place in NPL league
Calvert was in second flight last year and made a joke of it8 goals for 1 against
Then again same could be said for Penn Legacy - in 8 v 8Second flighted - 11 goals for 0 against
Other than home teams selection there is not 1 team in top flight that you can say another team from their state should have made it above.jeff cup did a very good job .Never gonna plaease everyone but unless rhey were willing to take 2 teams from the same state(bryc and fcv, wildcats and dragons,sta or ajax, cavlert and maryland untied,TFA and Cinn Cup Gold, Penn Fusion and Penn Legacy),they decided to split the top flight among the best entrants from each state, and they did a great job in every case of picking the best team from those applied from a given state.
YesThat should end discussionThanks, 5:23
These flights and the 2nd and 3rd flights when they come out on monday tell you where your team really stands in the minds of those who make the decisions that matter, like flighting at major tournaments. The opinions of parents as to their own teams ranking/status are meaningless.
Yes, I said they will have a tough decision before they made it and will probably get some wrong.My only problem is if they took u12 results and tournament placements that would be wrong for this age group at u12 half the states played 8v8 and the other half 11v11 so any top flight wasn't a top flight because only half the entrants were eligible.So going by u13 results you can't with a straight face say Calvert is the best in MD or maybe you can. PennFusion can't be the best in PA with the results they had plus the beat down they got from Penn Legacy.But it is what it is - just don't come on here and say "Answer the question...did your daughters make top bracket?" that's bush.
6:09 You can certainly say calvert is best in maryland by u13 results so far. Maryland united doens't have a comparable win to match calvert win over storm.After all they have a win over pda storm in nov.Also other than spirit tournament legacy just hasn't played any good teams so penn fusion has played the much tougher opponents(spirit, bethesda, wags, pre-ecnl league and probably got a slight nod based on that. Legacy will get thir chance to prove themselves in region 1 league this spring with many tough games.Same argument you had in college football final four picks.Strength of schedule has to play a part in the process to be fair.Teams that enter all the top tournaments like calvert and penn fusion get a slight nod for playing so often vs top flight comp and holding their own vs the best teams out there on a regular basis.
The Legacy parents I have spoken with feel the Fusion nod was a legit choice. Fusion was in the Jeff cup bracket above them last year and most likely should have been chosen first. Legacy needs another strong spring to prove they belong with the top teams. Winning games in the Champions League will help.
6:39 I agree with what you are saying, i just have a different opinion thats' all - my kid isn't playing in this tournament, so I really am just offering my opinion on how I see things - no feelings one way or another. Take it for what it's worth one yahoo's opinion nothing more.PS. I don't think it's right to give a team top flight just because they played Spirit, WAGS, Bethesda, FC Stars or any other major event. Call me crazy but I am one that sees things as simple as this. Penn Legacy wins their League and beats Penn Fusion head 2 head by 4 goals in addition to having better tournament results but don't get the nod because PennFusion's league is stronger? But if we look at PDA Ajax they get the advantage because they played in more major events than PDA Dragons, but PDA Dragons have beat them head 2 head and finished ahead of them in the same league, I am willing to bet they will finish behind Ajax because they played in local tournaments to prepare for their league instead of playing at Spirit, WAGS or Bethesda. Something is wrong with this picture.Like I said I do understand what you are saying - I just have a different opinion which happens to be a minority on this board.
Having played Calvert and MD United, Calvert is better.
I respect that and I respect the Jefferson top flight as well. Just gave my opinion which was a little different.Will have fun with the rest of the flights once released and then move onto the MSC.
Legacy beat, no, demolished PF. Beat Creeks, tied Wildcats, and tied Calvert. That's not enough to prove worthy of top bracket? Far more worthy than Richmond and AT LEAST as worthy as PF!
On a side Note - Shaping up nice so far16th Annual FC DELCO Players Cup5/22/2015-5/25/2015Teams Applied Girls U13Top teams in my opinion:Boston breakers Academy GU13 ECNL Crew Juniors Crew Juniors Elite Greater Binghamton United FC 01 Select Maryland United FC 01 ECNL Penn Legacy FC 01 Black Waza FC East 02 JuniorsHonorable mention:Bethesda SC Academy 2001 Blue NJCSA GALAXY Pipeline Soccer Club Black Seacoast United Elite - DR- 01/02 Followed by:DMS Soccer GU13 Academy Hauppauge Hot ShotzAlleycats Premier Mayka 01/02 Alleycats Soccer Club Elite Neko 01/02 Beach FC 01G Red Bethesda SC Academy 2001 White Continental FC Barca '01F NPL Quickstrike FC Elite Herndon Youth Soccer Hooligans LaGrange Soccer Club Maryland United FC 01 Red Massapequa Soccer Club Lil' Rowdies Medford SC Hurricanes RI Strikers FC 01/02G-Bowden Smithtown Stars
8:12 I see your point - However, since you made me do more research I have changed my opinion on PennLegacy and PennFusion.Penn Fusion has some really big wins vs Region1 heavy weights and also tied Wildcats. I can see why they got the nod. But I do agree Richmond should not be in the top flight - they took a spot from a team that deserved it just because they are the host. But the host always gets a bye into the tournament - World Cup, Olympics so why not Jefferson.1-0 East Meadow SC 01 U13 Pre-ECNL2-1 Match Fit Academy 01 U13 Pre-ECNL3-2 Boston Breakers Academy 01 U13 Pre-ECNL
PL Parents get used to PF placing higher than your team. your team won, who cares. Never going to get nod over an ECNL team
NJ CupWhy would NJ Wildcats, more so Match Fit NPL join this? NPL team will receive criticism. Look at teams that join thisGirls U13Club Team StateAmericans Rebels Holmdel FC Galaxy Hub Soccer of Denville Lightning Jackson SC Avalanche Jersey Premier Soccer Flash Jersey Shore BOCA Jr FC Fusion Match Fit Academy FC Black NorthMatch Fit Academy FC Blue NorthMatch Fit Academy FC North East Medford SC Hurricanes New Jersey Rush 01 Girls Blue New Jersey Rush 01 Girls Grey NJ Crush FC Tsunami NJ Crush FC Tsunami White NJ Wildcats Averbuch Ocean Township United SA Hurricanes New JerseyParsippany SC Parsippany NPL PDA Shore Fusion SJEB '01G NPL SJEB '01G West TBAA Premier Strykers The Football Club of NJ 01/02 GirlsTorpedoes Soccer Club Torpedoes RedWall SC Wave Warriors SC Warriors-Kocela
ECNL does not mean better, it means they pay more money. So if that means they deserve top bracket, that's a shame all around. For them and for the teams who have to play them instead of better teams.
PL bitter parent, get used to this. ECNL indeed means better, to you maybe not, college coaches yes!
7:25Somehow I doubt that. I don’t know who you claim to have talked to, but as an actual Legacy parent I can assure you that is far from the majority opinion.8:34Did your research include the following:Against 4 common opponent this fall both PL and PF are 2-1-1 but PL has a better goal diff.+5 to +4. Each played 5 other top teams at tournaments this fall. The average national rank of Legacy’s 5 opponents was 61 while Fusions was 59. Slightly better but while Fusion went 1-2-2 with a GD of -2, Legacy went 4-0-1 with a GD of +11. Example, while Legacy tied Calvert(Nat #6) 1-1, Fusion lost to FCV(Nat. #7) 0-2and while Legacy beat Creeks Krush(Nat #57) 2-1, Fusion lost to Tennessee(Nat #58) 0-2. Fusion does play in a tougher league. GS would have the ECNL worth 10000 points while PAGS1 would only be worth 8500(higher than any league other than EDP Central, including NE NPL BTW), and although Fusion did squeak out 3 wins against good teams, overall they were 5-3-3 with a GD of +4 in league play as opposed to Legacy being 8-1-1 with a GD of +26. And lets not forget, the other 2 wins were against ECNL teams that wouldn’t even be accepted into PAGS1. Legacy is 3-1 overall vs. Fusion including this season 5-1 "demolishing”(to quote 8:12). And that 4 goal win is twice the margin of the so called top ECNL League team PDA Storm’s win over Penn Fusion.No, I think this was one ECNL club scratching the back of another. No bother, the last thing Legacy wants to do is travel to Jeff to play Calvert, Wildcats, and Fusion again. I don’t think CASL(ECNL) or UFA(DA with hopes of ECNL),(noticing a trend?), are all that either and the Richmond nod is a joke. FCV would have been a great game since its been over 2 years since we beat them last(aka SYA back then) but maybe next time. Looking forward to World Class, Tri State, Ajax, BRYC, since I think we’ve all beaten teams in the so-called “top" division, it should make for a great weekend.9:07Thank you for confirming what I suspected. I assume PF has by now also gotten used to being called the second best team in PA. Hope they enjoy the “top” bracket knowing they didn’t earn it on the field but rather paid for it by being an ECNL club. 9:45They aren’t as dumb as you think. Bloom is off the rose, it was a great idea, but too many weak teams and its becoming obvious you avoid top competition in favor of your little bubbles. Not the way to develop soccer in this country.And not bitter, loving every minute of it!!!
10:09 choice between 2 Penn teams for top flight could have gone either way.Close, but again choice was made by tougher slate of games, tournaments and league.
if Storm was playing Jefferson Cup they would be in the top flight representing nj not Wildcats. Just saying.
And they'd lose like usual. Just saying!
But they would be in top flight not Wildcats (who never win either). Just saying again.
But they're not. So while the Wildcats are playing the best teams in the country at Jeff Cup, the poor Storm girls will be at home, as usual. Sounds like fun!And oh yea... just saying.
10:30Yea, truth is, I wish Penn Fusion luck. Hope they represent PA soccer well down there. Our girls will do the same in division 2. Still hard to believe a team we beat 5-1 got top billing over our team, but I’ve been around long enough to to know how it works. And believe me, if it were up to the girls, they would have been at WAGS and Bethesda. But unfortunately, it wasn’t. Cant do much about the league though.
Hey, "Just saying" coulda, woulda, shoulda doesn't cut it. You made your choice to be there, now live with it.Stop making excuses why your team hides behind their mama's skirt.Until they let you come out and play you have no right to say what you would do if they did.Talk is cheap.Come out and test yourself against all comers like we do every top tournament.And please no more excuses on why you guys are hiding.
Isn't it amazing how the people/parents on this blog act like they are in control of all of their club's playing destiny? Like they have direct input to their club's Board decisions and every tournament and league they'll play in. Your thousands are being invested into getting a coach you hope will elevate your daughters play and into a club that impressed you during the previous season. Anyone that talks about parents and players or even a U13 team "hiding" or 'looking to play certain teams", is either totally full of themselves or an idiot (maybe both). The only infuence you have on who or where your daughter plays is where you take her and your thousands. And the statement about college coaches seeing her? She is 13!!! Yes, you want the best exposure for your daughter, but whether its ECNL, PAGS, or NPL. All of these girls have three years of knee injuries, concussions, overbearing parents and boyfriends to avoid before it really gets serious. Lastly, for the bitter overbearing PL parent. Most of the PL parents and PF parents get along extremely well (probably why we are scrimmaging next month), and the PL parents I know are rational and would not have to go back two years in a vain hope to justify anything. So I am not misiformed when saying most of the PL parents are disappointed, but okay with PF going first bracket. You are the minority circling the beach on your tiny island, with the waves washing all your castles away.
Do the NJX Holmdel team tied to Matchfit pay their fees to MF or HolmdelNJX?
11:43, you do you care? If you were part of the team you would know, if not, mind your nosey business.
11:40The only one on an island is you here bud. You clearly think you know far more than you do.
I know that when your not attacking other clubs, leagues and tournament officials. Your busy attacking your own club, parents and other players that might be a threat to your daughters playing time. Yeah, your one of parents. You know, the minority.
A bit tightly wound 11:47. Perhaps you're drunk with all of the Wildcat talk. The 11:43 question was a simple question for a player new to the area who was told to consider the NJX team. Is this an NJX team or a MFA team seems to be all that they are "noseying" about.
MF club get's at least a piece of what NJX collects as part of the deal for affiliating. So far it has been a disaster as multiple teams from old NJX club are imploding this season.Seems everyone was sold on ecnl teams and just not enough slots for everyone.MF Club is scrambling trying to hold on to these teams and the income stream from NJX, but they are going to have a hard time doing that with their planned move up north to Morris County facility.
Sorry, was actually responding to 10:30 and the minority. He was busy ripping everyone and anyone and worse yet, displaying himself as the team dad on the side of righteousness and all thats fair. Puleeeezzzze
To say talent at Jeff cup is best in country is just comical. Good tourney but far from best nationally. This is where all you haters will have to come to terms with why ECNL offers the best national exposure. First off, the regular league plsy is by far the best and deepest. You have a few programs that are soft but 80% of your games are solid games. All other leagues, not so much. You have 1 to 2 good games and then the rest are against town teams. The ECNL showcase in May is a true National event. ALL the top ECNL teams from across the country compete. That is the difference and why you want to be in ECNL. Not saying you have to choose to do that for your daughter but you have to admit, not going to get any better. Just sayin.....
11:40Let me ask you this, if the majority of the parents feel their club is not allowing their daughters and their team to reach their full potential by limiting their exposure to top tournaments, you feel they should just keep their mouthes shut and keep sending the checks or better yet move their kid to another club huh? As I believe you said yourself, it was that lack of top level playing that kept PL out of the top division at Jeff Cup, not the quality of the team. So why would we not express that concern to our club in a hope to influence them? Much better to try to change clubs philosophy toward our team than having our girls move on to other clubs because they are not getting the best experience/exposure possible right?(although I know you are hoping for that). And coming from Penn Fusion, or Continental or FC Bucks for that matter you wouldn’t understand. Your top teams are accepted into the region’s top league and top brackets based on the reputation of the club and the letters ECNL, not merit a lot of times. We have to go out and prove ourselves as much as possible and even then sometimes its not enough. Again look at the bottom teams in your own league and honestly tell me they deserved to be there based on quality. We couldn’t play in a better league than PAGS1 in the fall, despite the critism we’ve gotten for doing so. We are not an NPL or ECNL club, and thats what the “can’t do much about the league” comment referred to. Don’t think the “hiding” comment was made by a Legacy parent, it didn’t apply to PF anyway, I didn’t bring up the college coaches issue either, but you should know there is an amazing 14 year old at your club who just committed to UNC as a freshman. If you think it doesn’t “really get serious” for three more years, you will have missed the boat.Truth is I know you weren’t “misinformed” because I know who you are speaking to. I don’t think any of us feel your daughters team doesn’t belong in the top bracket, they are a great group, just not above our girls. And I would be surprised if any of our parents felt otherwise as you seemed to suggest. And yes most of us do get along. Thats why when I saw one of your parents on here a couple weeks back accusing our girls of playing dirty when they last met, it surprised me. Its also why I wished you guys good luck down at Jeff Cup, which was certainly a nicer comment than: "PL Parents get used to PF placing higher than your team.”or"PL bitter parent, get used to this. ECNL indeed means better” Not sure why you think WE are “bitter”, just maybe alittle disappointed. Cant speak for the other 2 Legacy posters on here now, but I have no ill will or bitterness toward you guys. Looking forward to the scrimmage next month, as its always great to play a quality team like yours.I did like the whole "circling the beach”, “waves washing” thing though. Very dramatic!And P.S. 11:39 isn’t me. Maybe not even PL, lots of people on here just like to stir up trouble.
The NJX Holmdel deal is only a year or so old and already imploding? Details please.
1:48 the top flight at jeff Cup is loaded. And the overall number of strong U13 teams is very deep and will go down 3 flights this year.As good as any tournament except maybe Disney so far at u13.as far as ecnl the Richmond team is ecnl so let's face it, those are certainly not all top teams in ecnl.Looking at Region 1 Champions League top flight there are no "town teams" in that league as you state"are in every league other than ecnl".In fact, bottom half of your ecnl league is much weaker and closer to "Town League competition" than bottom half of Region 1 Champions League.
I have a question for blog:Do you have your daughter play with her current team or should she play with top team if asked to play a few games\tournaments? By playing with A Team, would cause this player to miss a few games with current team.
If the top teams in the ecnl league this fall, Match Fit and PDA Storm, do not win when they step outside of ecnl competition(Match Fit ecnl finished 4th of 8 in top flight of Bethesda Tournament and PDA lost in semifinals in Eclipse event in Chicago to a Non-ECNL Club Team(Cinn Cup Gold)and tied STA and lost to Calvert Crew, both non-ecnl teams at EDP tournament in October), then how can you knock quality of top flights in tournaments like Jeff Cup when they have the same teams that beat you guys in top flight as Jeff Cup does in Cinn Cup Gold, Calvert, BRYC., etc.?
2:06, that is a very tough call. First, tell no one about it, no one, cannot trust anyone.Second, yes let her play, but be very sneaky about it, say you have a family emergency, or something.Third, pray that no one hears about it, especially the parents of the new team, who sometimes love to rub it in the face of the old team.Good luck.
And what you are saying about ECNL would hold true and have merit, if all the girls were of similar talent and in a perfect world have the same chance to advance beyond HS soccer. But you know that no more than five or six on your present team will have that chance. Some players are willing to be a support player and enjoy the adulation of their mom and dad seeing them do well in that role. Others have parents that are willing to spend the money to see their daughter be part of a winning team and that is enough for them. This goes on and happens with every club and every team, no matter what the league is. There is nothing wrong with loving the league your in or the club and team your associated with. And NJ soccer has very good teams with talented girls playing it. But put down the free bowl you receive with your first ECNL payment and get back to reality.
Free bowl, hahaha, are there any more??
I agree with 2:41 go for itHey 2:41 what do you do if this happens within same club?I would still go if in same club
Biggest difference for ECNL clubs vs others.When attending these tournaments, the PDA\MF,WC etc. Do not have to win unlike the clubs like PL, Wildcats etc. Its a win or nothing attitude or NON ECNL clubs to maintain position to be a top team. ECNL clubs, know they will add talent every year
NJX is now part of an academy ECNL/NE NPL program. Please explain how that is a problem. Unless your daughter was not ready for that level and you have sinced moved on..... Please,do not be bitter and find a good fix for your kid.
Can you please tell me how many kids on your clubs u18 roster are playing college soccer next year? I know my daughters club has 100 percent. Can you guess which club?
NJX is not a part of any academy. Some of their players are moving there. 7 other players right now training with and looking for other teams. Some players are already gone. NJX is gone and soon the MF team will combine for one team and the rest of the NJX players will be gone. 7 are auditioning right now. This was a bad hand played by the Holmdel club for the benefit of no one but the parent coach.
3:25Talent always flocks to top teams every year, in most areas those top teams are not ECNLBut thank you for making my point. Some teams like my daughters have to continually earn the right to be in top brackets, others get placed there based on their clubs reputation or affiliation, be it ECNL, US Club, etc. how is this benefitial to the game? And BTW, we never play "win or nothing" soccer. These girls are 12, that's not the way to develop.
4:23Here's alittle secret, every decent club can say that. If your daughter can still make A team at a good club at 18 there is a college for her. Big issue is D1 vs D2 etc. Theres a club in PA who puts ALL their girls into D1, and ALL got $. Can you guess which club? Here's a hint, it's not an ECNL club.
NJX imploding at multiple age groups.same deal as you describe with 7 players trying out for other teams on U12 and U14 team.Best players have already moved on or are trying out elsewhere.Affiliation with MF was a disaster for NJX Club. They were building a strong base before affiliating and now the worm has turned and they pushed all their chips in the middle with MF and lost.
Someone is bitter. All top players have moved up within MF at all ages. Just because you have moved on does not mean it did not work out for others.....
I know its none of the big mouths on this blog;Wildcats,Crush, STA,
I disagree 2:41 why tell no one? Who cares what other people think? your priority is your kid and that's understood!!!!
4:23 That is a bold statement. I would like to know how you know that info? To know that each girl went D1 is one thing but to know that they all got money is another.
"Multiple teams from NJX are imploding this season"You mean not winning at a rate that you would find acceptable?I have news for you - nobody cares what you see as acceptableSoccer a-hat
He DOESNT know, 7:35
NJX U12s seem to be fineEven the 14s had some quality efforts thru the fallTalk about the U13s is just speculation. Still a very solid club, Match Fit affiliation or not.I dont think the move to affiliate changes anything. NJX players would always have had the option to try out for MF ECNL (FALCONS) or to stay where they are....Did NJX lose an opportunity to RECRUIT by affiliating?Hmmm..........not sure on that one. But were they looking for players anyway.....truly?
Real bad advice about playing for a new team while leaving current team in a lurch.If they expect you to do this, RUN far away from that program.
Why are NJX- MF NPL losing players and not adding players. Hear teams are adding players all winter long, Is it just people do not want to play for this NJX team?
The all winter long thing is NEWWhen soccer was a more gentlemanly endeavor on the youth level you had players finishing out full seasons (fall and spring) ahead of making any decision for the following yearKilling a team for adding nobody between fall and spring is such folly
Players have left multiple NJX teams this winter offseason.More defections imminent as Matchfit moves their operation up north to the Morris county Facility.
The fact that you have no specifics speaks volumesJust loudmouth mythology
The FC Pennsylvania Strikers club only produced a team every couple of years. This allows them to focus on one team at a time. Of the three teams that have graduated, 60 girls total, all but one went on to play D1, and she went to a great academic D3, so possibly by choice. Incredible since most of the best clubs in the country are “only” at about 50% D1 each yr. You can verify the college placements by checking their website but you would need to know someone in the program to know about $. It seems that not only do their teams experience the highest quality training and competition, including numerous national championships, the coaches consider it a goal of theirs to get every girl from #1-#20 a college scholarship. Mind you I didn’t say full ride, nor do I know if many are getting money for academics. But I find it amazing that a club works so hard for the future of these girls when its not about making money…Oh yea, did I mention the parents of the girls don’t pay to play there? Truly a model of how youth soccer should be. But again without the profit motive, I don’t see many other clubs following suit.
FC PA Strikers is great if you have a daughter in the age group they are creating or currently have. Which right now is U15, so they doesnt include any of our girls. Their site says they have fielded 4 teams over the last 16 yrs. So the coaches they are doing this truly are doing this for the love of the game. This would be great but just is not realistic.
The MFA Affiliate program as shown on their own web site is next to nothing other than a rolling logo list of the 5 clubs that if you click on it just sends you to that clubs home page. Surprised that they don't also include a Paypal link for where these 5 clubs can send their money.What besides being able to say "we're an affiliate of MF" are these clubs getting? Seems like a desperate attempt to say "we have a program for advanced players" when the reality appears to be that there is really no there there.
The MF NJX program adding players. Unfortunately not your kid. Time to move on. Life is too short.
What is the MFA "Morris County Facility" that was referenced? I heard some time ago that they may be building in Wharton, but nothing in a while. Pretty sure most of the stuff is out of Morris Catholic, but the ECNL teams move around. Biggest variable seems to be where the coaches live. Their coaches live in like 5 or six different counties.
the MFA affiliates receive MF coaching - to some degree. Don't forget, this is a business model set up for MF to sell their training and to provide MF with an insider's view on players that could potentially help their 'elite' teams (ECNL, NPL, etc). Many organizations operate this way -STA and TSF are example of a couple more in north jersey. This is a business for heads of these organizations and they want to make money. Not every club is fortunate enough to have a billionaire that is passionate about soccer and funding its operations.
When are the other brackets getting announced for the Jefferson Cup???
MF is moving most of their operation up north now that they are using Morris Catholic as their base.
Jeff Cup announcing lower brackets today on their website.
If someone could put a link up when they are released that would be great.
Jeff cup has all the brackets together except U13...
Interesting they went out of order.
Must be a lot of back room negotiation going on.
Seems there is some squabbling going on re: U13
9 groups of 8........as I figured
How are u seeing these?I go to schedules and results and only brings up 2014
12:18 you need to know how to manipulate the gotsoccer URL using the event ID which you can grab off of the accepted teams list.
here is a linkhttp://www.gotsport.com/asp/directors/tournament/vieweventteamscleanb.asp?EventID=39085&Group=Girls_13
Don’t understand what the hold-up is with the u13 group, can it be that complicated?
When the current PA strikers team is college bound, do they form a new team? What age group do they begin with?
I think the current team started playing together at U-13
1:04 they are waiting for the bribe checks to clear.
It's a bank holiday today. That's why we sent cash!
They must still be waiting for the money order
I heard they were redoing the Championship division.
It wouldnt surprise me if they do that.
Oh, where did you hear that, your wife?
Crush may get put way down like their older teams - not sure I would want to go being in 5th bracket.
and just like that ... brackets are gone
PDA crying and trying to pull strings to get one of their teams in top flight.
PDA crying to tournament committee to get one of their teams moved up.
If you don't put all of our teams in top flight we won't bring our teams to your tournament anymore.Integrity of tournament is on the line here.Can Jefferson Cup Tournament be bought???
No way is it PDAThey know Ajax is better off lower.....
4:19 - don't count your chickens.
Lower flights of U13 Girls never posted so why would it have anything to do with Crush? has to do with someone in U13G making power play for top flight who was left off friday when top flights announced.
Whee are lower flight listed?couldn't find it on richmond strikers site.
Heard something coming down with regards to Da on girls side.Will not be current league but will be USSF will sponsor Girls DA.This could be death knell for ecnl.Ground shifting under our feet as we speak.
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