1:26 - Fair and open tryouts (assuming there is such a thing) would not consider ability to pay. This would be publish along with a statement that selected players could be eligible for financial aid. Application would be made after selection. No guarantee of award. If not granted aid, family would need to decide to stay or go. Alternatively, or in conjunction with such a process, a club could proactively seek talent from underserved areas. A bigger issue is that a family in need of financial aid may be lacking in other resource areas such as time (e.g. single parent with multiple kids) or transportation (got to get to practice somehow). Look at Pennsylvania. If it comes to pass as some have speculated on Youth Soccer Talk, and PAC ends up as the only GDA in PAE, there becomes a significant geographic limitation because there is not a large population density inside of 30 minutes of the PAC training facilities. You need to extend out to at least an hour drive time to obtain a player pool from which to truly draw a representative sample of the "best of the best". Many families in need of financial aid do not have the time and transportation resources for the necessary commute to a development academy.
I think you think you know much more than you do.
3:36 - 1:35 here I know nothing.Just going off of what is made public.
1/26 @10:32 - What are you saying about PF? The 99/00's ECNL last year finished as semi-finalists in the North American Cup and the other two teams were in the Champions League. This year they seem strong in all teams. Plus they will get kids from very good nearby clubs for ECNL. I know kids that are waiting to hear about their id sessions.
Will be interesting to see what happens if they merge with cfc
It would be a good merger. Both clubs have great coaches, players and facilities. Makes sense as CFC has boys' DA and PF has girls. Plus PF has boys' ECNL. And, leagues in PF for post high school for both women and men. Both have very good feeder programs for younger players as well. So, agree with you. Will be interesting.
7:38 Spirit United was with PF then they kicked them to the curb for Delco and formed CFC now you think the two will merge?
Different times, different managers. Yes, I do.
Yoy U15 girls youth soccer we just love to see it. soccer tips girls played more cool than boys in soccer games. You can study the research and get out the result.
Do you know what would be a good merger, Pennsylvania and Nova Scotia, please go, go now.
Seems like somebody ^ is worried their little Mia won't make a team.
Agreed. One response is a troll, it seems and the other just as you said, a person trying to scare away competition.
Thx for the infowe'll skip tryouts there :)
From the U17 blog: "11 kids at Spirit DA combined MD and VA. Budget estimated $7000." That's for two DA teams. Very Interesting that they are not getting many GDA come out for ID Combines at those ages may not be worth it to Jr. & Sr. if they are committed or close to committing to a school already. Wonder how many girls will showed up for the PDA's and PA classic's DA Clinics.
No reason to go to da at older age group. Will not be work until the younger teams move up in a few years.
Some have stated otherwise. There's not one right answer. Individual decision has to be made.
Hearing the same thing benefits for going GDA mostly for girls headed to 8th grade and below this fall. Can anyone explain to me the Boys DA age groupings as it looks as they consider a player born 2002 U14 this season? how girls DA wont follow the same age groupings?
They say they want the same thing, but keep changes the rules. Makes no sense if they are replicating the boys side. I belive they are more concerned with the overall numbers, not getting the top players. This will take years to work out and chances are they will mess it up. At least they are allowing HS, but I'm sure it will only be for the very top girls who they can't afford not to have join.
Good idea to look at 2017-2018 season for boys and girls. They will be similarWho said they'll allow HS play?Please show official link. Thanks
NJ CRUSH will have a tough time after losing top players. I think the bloggers went with them.
12:52 You may have only read part of the storyRead the entire story again....
What did I miss, she said you can play?
“They just can’t do both at the same time.” "Heinrichs suggested that players could step away from their GDA clubs to participate in their high-school seasons and then return, apparently without penalty."“We’re saying girls have to make choices. There’s the Girls Development Academy. There’s high school soccer, ECNL, other leagues – girls cannot do it all.”Doesn't sound like a certain, official DA comment to me."apparently without penalty" Again, up to each girl to choose....not for everyoneMany posters are acting like they're beiing forced into something. If your daughter is getting what she needs, then keep going!!!
Okay, so they can play. And yes, they have a choice to make. I sent this and you asked me to read again?
Either you or your child wants to try out for the GDA or they don't. End of story. It's not for everyone. No need to bash it.
Just like FB....read to reply not to understand....
Not too many DA coaches are going to be happy to have their players playing HS. You're either in or not. If your kid makes a DA roster but decides to sit out to play HS during the Fall, do you really think coaches are going to put them in that starting lineup when they return? No. They'll be sitting. Why make the commitment to play DA if youre going to miss an entire season of that great exposure? Exposure they won't be getting playing at their HS soccer field for sure.
My feeling is PDA "tryouts" might produce 1-2 players or are an insurance policy in case DA turnout is really small to save face. I would think it will be more on an invitation basis and the pool of kids they want is already on pda or also mostly known such as wc players. I would think that cedar stars and world class will have to take kids that dont beling just to fill rosters or will pick up kids after hs season. If PDA does not know who your kid is or you dont play their ecnl team this season for a direct look, good luck. But do try for wc/cedar stars. There will be a lot of spots.
Not worried about the DA sitting my kid if she plays HS. If she does, this will go to show they are not looking for the best, just people like you. My kid should never sit and if she does, I would not have her play at that level, with that commitment and cost to my family. I have that choice as you would say, over and over and over. But HS is allowed and kids now have a that choice.
Agreed. And that doesn't mean that since USSF allows it that the various clubs will as well. It all depends on that specific Clubs' training schedule. A lot of this is to avoid overuse injuries. That is in the best interest of the players. And, we the parents need to look at that as well. I'm getting tired of Henny Penny telling me the sky is falling; GDA will be horrible, ECNL will be horrible, etc.. All of this is up in the air, but as MANY have noted, it comes down to choices. We need to make sure we make decisions that best work for OUR specific children, whatever it is.
I would hate to be your child.
GDA and ECNL will self cannibalize, no need for Henny Penny to tell you that. GDA - because it will end up being too rigid. ECNL - because it will lose all top talent to GDA. All that will be left are the SJEB/RUSH and Wildcats.
Two teams that win games with good athletes and marginally skillful soccer players
What does DA mean to your kid?A chance at Olympics/World Cup/CONCACAF?If you said yes then Academy is the place to be for your kid. They will get into a top college if they can juggle the commitment? DA training 4 times a week 10 months a season 20 to 30 games a season plus DA tournaments and if they are picked get to go to CA a few times a year to train for a spot for a CONCACAF/World Cup roster spot. So we have International travel plus CA a few times a year in addition - where does school fit in exactly? So if your kid has the goods sit down and make sure you can swing what is being asked and what you will have to sacrifice.Don't worry about college, if you are talking high level soccer then your kid will play for a school and get some money the question is do you want Olympics or High School Soccer. Becasue if it's Olympics there is no romm for HS soccer.
Your odds are so low for the highest level. Maybe 3 girls in state over 6 age years. The GDA wants you 4 days a week, what club has those facilities? Pda has the most and can't even do two times a week now and they are adding more kids and programs. They will not drop tne others, they pay too. How does tne GDA fix this, please do tell. They aren't giving money to help facility cost and we don't live in southern cal.
All you need is an athlete. Hint - Mallory Pugh. And she played high school soccer and club twice a week six months a year....
5:52 - well, that's cruel. I think the poster was saying that is what all the doubter/Henny Penny's on the post board are saying. They are proclaiming without any evidence that this will be bad, that will be bad, nothing will work.These doomsday soccer preppers perceive the GDA to be a bad thing. Previously, the ECNL was perceived as a bad thing. Looks like anything new is deemed prior to its start to be bad by some. I say, let's wait and see. ECNL turned out to be pretty good. GDA will be as well.
.8:51 - fun fact. Pugh only played hs 3 yrs. She didn't play senior year. Also, in her soph yr., she only played a partial year. ".....and in sophomore year, despite missing more than half of her high school games due to national team commitments, she helped the team to the state semifinals. " So, she really didn't play a lot of high school during most of her high school eligibility. And, the GDA wants practices 4 days a week not 2 days as you note re Pugh. So, depending on the club and the GDA commitment required, this may be impossible to do without the kids getting injured. Just saying
Saw that Pugh info, too. "Pugh attended Mountain Vista High School in Highlands Ranch from 2012 to 2016. In her three seasons with her high school team..." Nonetheless, clearly a phenom when she played. But, she didn't play a lot as well. Not sure she is a good example for those who want high school and GDA.
But everyone thinks their kid is a Mallory. Ha! If your kid couldn't make or last long in a TC then good luck in the DA. If they don't like to work and/or they can't play technical soccer then steer them toward HS. Where a high work rate is not important and she can boot the ball and receive a pat on the back from the coach for it. Look, who cares what anyone else's opinion is including mine. Soon DA will be the best option for those girls who have the talent and want to play D1 in college. Certainly not for all and doesn't need to be.
So many uncertainties with either path...choose one that's best for your daughter. Why bash one over the other? Sad statement on our society....
Please there are bigger issues in our society than youth soccer. This is just a soccer blog. Relax.
Trying to do the math here. So rounded and after possible speculation of who stays and who goes there are about 50 clubs in the GDA (nationwide). 20 players per team per age equals 1000 girls at each age group, roster for NT may be 25. So figure out where your daughter stands on the pyramid and if her chances are good to get an NT spot oh, and keep it from U15 through U23. Also take into consideration that the U means a U15 player can be selected to play U17. Conversely, looking from the ECNL side if you are not on the GDA team what are your chances as you age up? And a 1000 girls at U18 in GDA fills the pool for most open roster spots on top colleges at each year. Reference for club #’s http://www.ussoccerda.com/girls-academy
I believe there are 20 or so spots per dual age group so i would think 500-600 kids per age group. I also think that not all top ecnl players want to go DA. I think colleges will continue to monitor both DA and ecnl heavily for our age group and above. Even with 500 - 600 you are still less than 5% to be on the nat team and that is if they take zero kids from outside DA which seems unlikely.
Sorry this age group has NT players selected for U16 NT. So the chances of getting placed on this group are less than 1% and you must be above and beyond the current pool. The selected U16 will stay on until U18 and maybe a few slight changes through the years. Sorry but everyone dreams are now gone worry about college.http://www.ussoccer.com/us-under16-girls-national-team/roster#tab-1
YupJust skip the development and exposure at that level, not worth it! :)
No I'm not saying to skip I for one love the benefits of the exposure especially for college. I just want point out the NT is pretty much out of reach as many are talking about it on the blog. NWSL is still not out of reach for many and the potential is still there if your on GDA. Also development at this age has already peak or about too GDA will be identified talent already developed. They are not bringing someone on because they are athletics and hoping to develop.
Do we really think training intenesly 4x a week and playing games on weekends is the best for development. No mention of overtraining? I would like to see a sample weekly schedule before I would want my daughter to commit to jumping on the burnout train. I actually feel strongly that extra coached training is exactly what we dont need. These kids if they are to really become next level players need to experience a lot more free play. This is a big missing link in US soccer. Also how do you know the coaches are qualified to train all the different disciplines that would be worthy of 4 days a week. I can replicate a better program that will teach tactical soccer 2x a week and techinical 1x and free ply 1x and I whole heartedlly believe itcwill make my daughter better than Any DA can teach. Soccer in this country sucks because we are so structured and scripted. We need to free these kids up to create a more imaginative game.
10:33Curious...does your daughter play HS?If so, you're not worried about burnout and injury? Have you seen their schedule?I know our local DA has tactical, technical and also has video analysis included. It's not all balls out to the wall
1033 Agree/Disagree coaches at ECNL/GDA are required to have a certain level of training hours and certification to coach/train at those levels. Also wouldn't you consider HS free play and social aspect but I bet HS coaches do not even hold a license to train/coach at all thus the reason why U.S. is implemented no HS for boys. I do agree 4x a week is a lot and down time for studies is important and burnout does and will happen to players by the time they hit the college scene. I wish U.S. would of put more emphasis in working with ECNL and rebuilding and reshaping the ODP programs keeping things state/regional/nationally through the years until college. It's been so downgraded due to Training Centers, ECNL, PDP etc. It was a incredible side program that develop women's teams throughout the years.
10:42 no high school yet. Obviously a serious concern and will have to have the right set up/situation with rest days if they want her. Otherwise she will try tennis. I think the question of the DA doing tactical/technical my point is there arent that many great technical trainers to have to go through the DA club may actually limit the growth vs having an outside technical trainer that is really talented. 10:49 I would say highschool is further away from free play than club. The ideal is you put a group of really good players on the field and let them play like in south america where pick up is much easier. High school coaches want you running plays and soccer skill is exceptionally low. Kids need to play with good smart players to continue development which is what DA/ECNL come close to doing.
1122 Have you been to a third world country and watch free if not do not bring up free play if you have not seen it with your own eyes. Free play in those counties are just that free play with everyone at different levels and ages. Just like Basketball is in the streets of NY City or any other major city everywhere else players are not on the same level but just go out and have fun. That's my definition of FREE PLAY not what you stated "bunch of smart players together playing" which is done during the last 15-20 minutes of practice now. Bottom line GDA is for those wanting to compete in a professional environment in hopes of playing Top level D1 program, NWSL, or Over Seas as many women are looking to play now. National Team is the small percentage.
Or for those girls who just want a top level development, competition and exposure.Maybe ECNL hasn't been an option and this is a possibility?
10:33 - where did you see that they will be training 4x's a week and playing games on weekends? There will be less games so my understanding that when there are games, they won't have 4x's weekly training (since some of the 4x's week training is on the weekends). How many days do you train, currently? And, some of the training will be in the fitness, film, etc. So, not necessarily on the field 4x's a week, either. USSF isn't looking to burn out the kids.
@10:49 - saw your comment about ODP. It is still a very relevant program; in particular in areas that didn't have ECNL access. Many coaches from top programs still go to ODP events - and the head coaches at that. They and many on their staff are very much involved. It is still some of the best soccer development out there, in my opinion.
GDA is the competitive model to ECNL, Ford has a Mustang Chevy gets a Camaro. If US soccer wanted to put together a program to build a US national powerhouse competing against current leagues is not the answer. First lets address High School for what it is, ego currency. Look at the articles, awards and accolades coming out of PAPREP and the names are mostly ECNL players, this is press they are not getting through Club and actually adds the little bit of cache to the resume (look at the college roster pages, yes they mention club but a lot of the bio is High School related). Now let’s take ECNL, the clubs I am familiar with directly are FC Bucks, CFC, and PF. Depending on where you land age wise you may get a good coach for your team, ancillary trainers are probably a wash across all 3 and development is less and less as you age up. I believe PF has more NT pool players then Bucks or CFC, looking at commits it is pretty level across the board for local D1 with some girls going to the next tier (Penn State, Maryland VT, etc.). I also do not think I have ever seen a high goalie commit coming out of any club, so maybe that tells you something about how they are training at that position. Practice/training/Indoor/Futsal vary by club but in season you can expect 2-3 practices a week. Our experience was good at one club for a year, then they made changes and training dropped off. We had a January-February training cycle that combined indoor with chalk talk, in season we did recovery 1st training day post games, Fitness Training, and game planning, this went away the next year with what were supposed to be standard practices but ended up being “recovery” one day and scrimmages the next. My best hope, and my daughter will not be playing at this level any more, (on to college) is that the DA will follow that model. Develop and train players, give them opportunities to free-play, protect them through fitness and physiology, and game plan, help them understand their capabilities and limitations, help them understand the game at each level.
Alot of good points...I don't understand "free play". "My best hope, and my daughter will not be playing at this level any more, (on to college)..."Makes me wonder why you're reading a U15 girls blog.....
@1:27Thought I was on the U17 sorry. Free Play is just that - Free to play (Pick-up games)
4x week includes film review and fitness. USSF has been running the DA with boys long enough to know what they are doing. They are going to be building a well rounded player. Mentally, physically, technically, and tactically....As for a goal of making the NT, that is not the goal for all who make the DA. My daughter wants to play high level soccer with others of the same ability and realizes exposure from the DA will be the best there is. She is hopeful for a scholarship, not to be the next Mallory.
11:42 yes i have been to many a country both developing and non developing countries. Have played pick up free play soccer in north south and central america africa and Europe. I have played on beaches, courts, fields, turf, and dirt. Yes it has level differences in the players but there is an absence of coaching and fear that allows players to try new things. The better the level the more peer pressure there is to play in a certain style. Just like basketball which is one reasonwe are so good in hoops. If you go to south america and see a group of players playing in general they are very good and of a similar level. That does not exist here. So in lieu of that not existing you need to get a group of peers together to play sans coaches. It kind of happens here in practices but with a coach freedom doesnt exist. I have seen it in the us with a group of mexican and brazilian migrant workers.
Don't worry if your Daughter plays for a PA team she will not be invited:U.S. U-15 girls national teamGOALKEEPERS (3): Ryan Campbell (So Cal Blues; Dana Point, Calif.), Taylor Fox (Orlando City; Titusville, Fla.), Mia Justus (PDA; North Brunswick, N.J.). DEFENDERS (8): Devi Dudley (Utah Celtic FC; American Fork, Utah), Samar Guidry (FC Dallas; McKinney, Texas), Sydney Jones (Cincinnati United; Hamilton, Ohio), Lucy Mitchell (Concorde Fire; Alpharetta, Ga.), Makenna Morris (Bethesda SC; Germantown, Md.), Kayla Primm (Ohio Premier; Lewis Center, Ohio), Emily Royson (PDA; Toms River, N.J.), Dasia Torbert (Tophat; Buford, Ga.). MIDFIELDERS (7): Josie Alicino (Michigan Hawks; Northville, Mich.), Aislynn Crowder (Hawaii Rush; Mililani, Hawaii), Talia DellaPeruta (Tophat; Cumming, Ga.), Alexa Gonzalez (Arsenal FC; Riverside, Calif.), Kayleen Gowers (De Anza Force; Los Altos, Calif.), Isabel Loza (Arsenal FC; La Mirada, Calif.), Michaela Rosenbaum (Santa Rosa United; Santa Rosa, Calif.). FORWARDS (6): Trinity Byars (Soccer FC; Richardson, Texas), Kailyn Dudukovich (Cincinnati United; West Chester, Ohio), Sam Kroeger (World Class FC; West Milford, N.J.), Kacey Lawrence (Connecticut FC; Monroe, Conn.), Aryssa Mahrt (FC Wisconsin Eclipse; Wauwatosa, Wisc.), Trinity Rodman (So Cal Blues; Newport Beach, Calif.).
2:52The reality is that almost none of the girls who will play in GDA will ever play for the national team... certainly less than 5 out of every 100.
1:08 - saw your post. I disagree with alot of it. Not sure you are in the know about any of what you are proclaiming. Not only are your college commits off so are your comments re training and positions re PA ECNL teams. FOr instance, Bucks has a keeper that plays for BC, and a Duke commit (who is now at PDA, but committed to Duke while at Bucks) and many other good commits. PF has a bunch; many UVA, Penn State, VT commits, Duke, UNC, etc. Also, as you noted many NT players. Further, my understanding is that they have a keeper and other field players (some committed and some not) that are very high up on the US Soccer chart being tracked as well. I can't really speak to CFC as I am an NJ person so Bucks and PF (NJ kids play on both) are ones we know outside of PDA, MF and WC.
Do agree however with your hope for the GDA. The development of the full player, mind and body is what we are hopeful will occur.
1:27 - yeah I saw that. Creepy right??? Sounds like things didn't work out for his/her kid. Maybe looking for a do over :)
2:28 spot onThe GDA haters or in reality ones that are threatened by it, want to repeat that no girl has a chance to accomplish anything if not making the NTSmall minds....
5:33,If you read the entire post I do give credit to some of the higher commits. and while BC is a great school, it is not considered a soccer powerhouse. The 3 clubs are also a merry go round where girls jump from club to club based on their playing time and coaching changes. PF and CFC may end up splitting ECNL and DA so they will eventually cancel each other out, and FCB has been dwindling for years. As far as a second go round?? And for being creepy, I did indicate I posted incorrectly in this forum, but came back for this post to set the record straigh. I will leave you in your Ivory tower never to darken your door again. By the way, Daughter did well, no regrets, just trying to post an opinion of what I saw over 10 years of soccer. Club loyalty is hard but everyone wants to do right by thier Children.
Well, thanks for circling around the 3rd time. Btw - BC was a top 25 school only last year. The schools keep switching as the soccer is improving all around the NCAA. That is what is great about the soccer development going on; nothing is a gimme anymore. All the schools are in play. So don't underestimate any program which it seems you were trying to do.So, thanks for your 10 years of experience, but I think we have it from here as all of this changes every year.
Like a prior post stated GDA will be the top of the pyramid but it will not make an impact until a few years down the road. To that point many of the parents on this blog have already seen there daughter play HS also been targeting colleges or colleges targeted. GDA will make a bigger impact on the current youth players right now. Most parents will likely pass on more additional $'s spent and parental time(logistics)on GDA if they are playing ECNL or a top level team that have already given them path to college. Trust me if can afford playing ECNL or top level team traveling up and down the east coast you will not qualify for US GDA scholar funds. But hey if my daughter or your daughter wants to pursue GDA it's up to us as parents to support it even if it is not the ideal situation anymore at that older age.
'01/'02s will be very happy with the exposure/offers they get in playing for next year's DA club of choice.The "not til down the road" talk is rubbish
And no - not all ECNL players - or players from outside ECNL vying for DA spots - will be committed by summer. Dont try to sell that.
333 Totally agree as for 331 can we start calling you Mr. Rubbish as you know the exposure/offers you kid will get at DA already. That's a laugh!
1:01 - I agree with the post at 5:33 and 3:09. No one has a crystal ball. Some kids commit to programs already in top 50 and some want to make them a top 50 and some fall out of it and climb back in with the help of the new recruits. It is what makes this game so much fun and unpredictable anymore. Also, playing time comes into it as well. Not everyone commiting to power 5 schools will get playing time. Some may not see the field at all or dress for games and/or may wind up transferring. Be impressed with the clubs developing the girls to get them to that next level. Then, it's up to the girls to get the most out of it. So, I happen to be in one of the clubs you mentioned. And, we are extremely happy with the organization, administration, coaching, developing, assistance of the coaches to make sure the girls get where they want not what looks better for the club (not everyone wants power 5 as other things come into play as well such as playing time, $$, academics, location, overseas opportunities to play after, etc.). Glad your daughter and you are happy with your experiences. That is what it is all about. Enjoy her final months of club play.
Exposure will not be delayed. College coaches will be attending DA games and showcases right away. Why would they not?
What amazes me with all the nay sayers is that I haven't seen one parent(most likely dad) mentioning academics first in the decision making. I, for one (yes I'm dad) will do everything I can to set up my daughter for the best future possible, not NT or bust, not top 50 D1 or bust, not ECNL or bust, not DA or bust....Yes she wants to shoot for GDA and yes the coaches will be there to watch.
Hard to downplay these results...http://www.soccerwire.com/news/clubs/youth-girls/over-1000-ecnl-class-of-2017-players-commit-to-ncaa-div-i-programs/
3:02 PMTalk to me in a few years, would be interested to see how your little Mia is doing. http://scholarshipstats.com/soccer.htmlDivision Teams Athletes Per Team Schlshp $$ Per NCAA I 332 9,169 28 14 $ 16,186NCAA II 263 7,130 27 9.9 $ 7,541NCAA III 438 10,621 24 - $ NAIA 192 4,587 24 12 $7,248USCAA 36 645 18 - $ 1,246NJCAA 187 3,567 19 18 $ 2,113CCCAA 114 2,400 21 - $ 328Totals /Avg 1,562 38,119 24 53.9 $5,366
When you say programs in the top 50 is Johns Hopkins one of them or are you talking D1 soccer top 50 programs?Honestly I'm with 6:58 - academics first - don't care how the soccer team is, just want her to get a great education.$240,000 Undergraduate Degree$160,000 Masters Degree$400,000 Education at a Top SchoolNo grades = waste of time and money regardless of the level of soccer any kid plays.
So you dont take the FREE (all paid) college offer over the "we have to pay 30K a year out of pocket" school that has better academics?BETTER ACADEMICS can also lead to struggles. This has to be factored in. Our girls are amazing - but there can be situations we send them into that can be overwhelming.
I don't think anyone is saying they'll turn down free education. Although that happens very little. By the way, you can get "free" through academics....I don't get the overwhelming thing....can't protect little Mia forever :)And 30K? Range of costs for schools my older daughter is considering....45-65K!!!!
30K was inclusive of academic cash offered.It is a hypothetical.And of course you take the FREE if it is achieved academically - and the school is a perfect fit.
Yo do seem to be avoiding the questiona) beautiful campus, has her major, strong enough soccer and committed to her, not a top academic school, will pay everythingb) beautiful campus, has her desired major of an acceptable option, she will play soccer there, TOP academic school, will cost 25K perChoose a or b
Option "a" if she can play 75%+ of games, NCLEX pass rate of 90%+ and statistics for graduates in her major are at 90%+ employed within 6 months of graduation. This through great internships available etc...If stats aren't good then I'd pay the 25k per year for better stats
There is very little soccer money, for D1 programs Women's teams are allocated a certain #of scholarships, those scholarships are shared, very few are full rides. so in order to be recruited a player needs to help a coach by having the test scores and grades to get accepted, if a player chooses a tough major then there is a next level of acceptance into the school. My daughter wants a specific major, so we are only looking at colleges that have that major. Entrance into the specific program is 50 out of 400 applicants per year (on average). Scholarships are merit based only. So adding soccer to the equation hurts the process in some ways and helps in others. Hurts in that the decisions for acceptance (unless going early acition/decision) are after Feb 1. So we sit down with the coach, the coach says I want you on my team, we will talk after you have been accepted, this equals a verbal offer.
12:53Very similar situation with my junior daughter. Her major and D1 won't mix, we entertained for a few months with one school late in her sophomore year.It will be D3, many merit scholarships available. And yes, that's what I call a D3 "verbal offer". "You have a spot on the team, let's wait for all the admission paperwork to be complete and we'll tell you what $ we can give you"Many have rolling admission so the final can come quickly in the fall of senior year.
I guess you have all the answers. Funny how different it was for my two older ones. I know in our case, we discussed specific money and the coach helped them get accepted early as part of verbal offer. And they would not have been accepted, nor even applied if it were not for soccer. I will admit, majors were not considered. They have both switched majors already. Did they get full rides, no. Did they save me a lot of money, yes. When you are talking about schools close to $70,000 per year, 40 and 50 percent helps. We could have done much better at lower end schools too, but end goal was to get into better schools and then money was bonus. We had no chance of any other grants, financial or academic. The less you make, tne more you can get as well. Coaches can help you get other grants and prefer to in order to save their scholarship money.
My guess is that there are many different situations and variations. It's great to read people's experiences.
PF public meeting email seems to indicate they are keeping the DA: With the Girls Program being awarded with the U.S. Soccer Girls Development Academy (DA) and the Boys Program entering the Boys Elite Clubs National League (Boys ECNL) we continue to grow into one of the nation's most recognized youth soccer clubs. The meetings will provide detailed information on the player development structure, player pathway & levels of play, team schedules, and anticipated budgets at all levels. The Technical Staff will be present to answer questions during a Q & A!
WCFC giving current-parent presentation this weekend, look for the GDA tryouts to be mobbed, ugh.
"Coaches prefert that you get other grants in order that they save their scholarship money"How does that help you and your daughter?No difference between 15K+15K each and 30K all soccer. Why wouldnt they keep it at 30K soccer and let you save the extra 15K for her smarts?Hypotetically:60K per year school and they offer half for soccer - and you are saying if 15K is then available to you through academics they dont give it to you - just chop it off your soccer award?She has EARNED 45k and gets just 30. If this is the system it needs revision
I didn't say that. you have it all figured out, good luck.
6:58 - I'm 5:24 pm. I DID say academics comes into it. There are a variety of things that go into decisions. I have older kids that played and are still playing so am familiar with this crazy process.
@12:53 - I'm sorry, but I have had different experiences with my older kids. The verbal offers included specifics as to what it would include re $$. We were not applying unless the offers were worth our while. And, yes, the academics and the program steered the boat. Some very good soccer programs and schools didn't have the academic majors so need to continue the search. But, outside of the ivy's (we had offers from those, too), everything else came with verbal offers of consideration. Can you say how you decided? Thank you!
Some of you are reading these posts "competitively" so to speak.When I post my experiences with older daughters, I'm trying to provide info for those of you just starting the process.Definitely not negating someone else's experiences or inflating mine.There are many ways for our daughters to excel, I wish everyone the best of luck!
8:01. Thank you. I enjoy learning from other peoples actual experiences and find it helpful and not creepy at all. It sucks that people on here know everything before they have experienced it. Please continue to post its much better than most of the stuff on here.
Addendum to my post...:)I read and post about my older daughters but also have a U15 daughter#nocreepinesshere
801 Thanks for sharing but as you know things change 8 years ago ECNL just started, 4 years ago when your daughter was being recruited ECNL was 4 years in and more established and coaches started to flock to there events. 4 years from now for many on this blog this will change again look for example ID clinics popping up for each school almost twice a year and girls DA starting. So your opinions and experiences are a valuable and helpful but as probably scene things change and up to us as parents to keep each other informed not bash.
Written by someone who likes to hear himself talk no doubt
Is that you soccernut?
Oh no!!! I hear Spellcheck Nazi is trolling multiple blogs too :)
What about CRUSH dudes, have they all moved to new teams?
I think they left looking for 1776 mom
1776 is one crazy broad , is she in therapy yet ?
More DA expansion on Boys side. TSF and Cosmos just joined. Rumors that more NJ teams to be added on girls side by end of Feb.
Any truth to the Match Fit and Quickstrike merger rumor? Not sure why that is a rumor - I dont really see any upside.
Gets Match Fit into NYCSLAnd doesnt MF need trainers?
Huge GDA news coming soon, let's just say that 1 club to rule them all...
P tease...If you know something spill it
Match Fit had a team in NYCSL last year (Match Fit Mercer), and dropped out - they were not a quality team as I believe they played up in just about every age group.
Where do you see this mf info?
mf info is right:)
None of the da news is huge. They don't even have someone leading the initiative. It will be chaotic first few years.
We will let you know....
PDA DA pre-tryouts in 2 weeks? is there an official sign up? none of it is on their web site. what about the cedar stars?
yesfor non-club players
What teams do you think cedar stars will mosttly pull from. I Wouldnt drive more than 30-40 minutes for their product. I dont think they have had any success developing kids on the girls side. Just curious. Rush blue is too far correct?
Rush blue is located on the other side of the state near Philadelphia. Closer for those players to go to PF. Regardless, doubt many of those girls are going to leave Rush for DA teams, perhaps a few who knows. They get lots of exposure now being in National League.
Got a look at the U11s and U12s at Cedar Stars up northPlayers seem to be poised, confident for the most partI think that this "they dont develop" is a bit overblown.
Yeah PDA DA tryouts are Friday night you are mis informed. Club kids only they don't need outsiders good luck at Cedar Stars!
Sent to me via friend http://www.pennfusion.org/DA/index_E.html
8:19. This is a u15 blog and the cedar stars have no track record of developing kids in this group and older. Will they have a solid DA product in 3 years? Maybe but thats not the point. Why would anyone go there just because its a DA? I think it could be a horrible product as many on the boys side are. Outside Pda and Penn Fusion I would be scared to commit. PAC will be fine they play a nice style of soccer. World class and Cedar Stars have never offered a good product on the girls side.
not 8:19.All GDA clubs will be the place to be in 3 years. Just like the ECNL has been the last 3 years. Top of the Pyramid and that's not a debate it's the USSF you can't go any higher in the US. If you build it they will come.As I just said the DA will be the top of the pyramid - where the top college programs will look first in addition to YNT scouts. Cedar Stars will play the PDA and PennFusion teams you just mentioned and will be in front of the same scouts as they are in those games. In NJ they will be the only team to play those teams in league games and GDA events.Good product? Is it the training? can it be the player pool? can it be both? In NJ PDA & MatchFit got 80% of the stars. Then you have some other okay clubs NJ Wildcats, NJ Stallions, NJ Rush and SJEB to name a few so Cedar Stars was not at the top of anyone's list previously - they are now and playing vs PDA, FC Stars, Boston Breakers and PennFusion's GDA teams to name a few is well worth it even if they lose by 4+ goals, because they don't recruit teams they recruit players and a good player is easy to spot.
8:06 - agreed. That is how ECNL became the place to be. US Soccer christened it and the college coaches followed and so did the talent. This is USSF's product. They won't be endorsing another.
And you are right, schools recruit kids not entire line ups.
Key words. In 3 years. Going to be a chaotic 3 years.
7:31I think you have to do more homework on Cedar Stars girlsGet back to us
10:29. Speaking to 02 group I have done enough homework. The best 02 player in the club plays on u16. The guest player who is also excellent nowhere to be found. Your 02 team lost to a very mediocre tsf 02 team who in turn lost to Rush Blue 5-0. Also where did this team come from? Who are the coaches? No one i would want to train my kid. I know fitst hand albertsons boys DA had terrible coaching. Sorry. Tds has 2 girls listed with zero stats. Just saying there is no track record for development. Its a start up. Good luck next year. I will wait for the dust to settle when my kid is in the upper year and let her enjoy a life in highschool. Dont underestimate the relationships clubs have built with colleges.
Should have been 10:24 sorry
Like I said - homeworkYou dont even know who the coach will be at Cedar Stars '01/'02
Waiting for the '02/'03 Academy team (when your daughter will be "older") is fine - but you might want to get on their radar a bit earlier (PDA or Cedar Stars)
You know everything please enlighten the group.
At this age does it matter who the coach is? - the platform is more important. If you are not at the top of the pyramid then the coach comes into play the club brand comes into play but when you are at the top of the pyramid who cares. Here is the thing - the girls on Cedar stars will make their bed - what they put into it is what they will get. Because it's a startup is even better for the kids at the club as you said others will stay away but the team will still play the best teams in the region PDA/Stars/Breakers/Oakwood/PF to name a few. While others are staying away the girls that gave them a shot regardless of the coach will play in the top of the pyramid regardless if they belong or not. They can only do what's best for them as you will do what's best for your kid.
10:13 - why do you think 3 yrs? Disagree. The blueprint is there already. Should be a pretty simple transition.
I used the 3 years bit from 8:19
I also disagree it's been 10 years on the boys side and they still no better in world cup play or Olympics than they were 10 years ago, Correct?Also there are many stories of NCAA Men's collegiate teams playing friendly's vs MLS squads with a close or un-favorable outcome. Fact!
Where do you think the 23 players will come from - which clubs - to form Cedar Stars' first U16/U17 Academy team?You mentioned one U15 player currently at Stars. 22 left.
Many players un-happy with PDA that did not make the GDA between PDA/Skyblue will flock to Cedar Stars similar to when many flocked to MF when both clubs were competing for top players. That's whom will come over to Cedar Stars. Word on the street there are few players looking to move already.
Do those players know they did not make it? Why wouldnt they stay pda ecnl given those coaches have the best college connections.
Don't forget the MF players that won't GDA. Cedar Stars will have a player pool to pick from the question is how good are they at identifying talent? and where will their non GDA team play?Don't forget the ODP pool since the GDA trumps ODP also now. There will be plenty of players that have the dream and have parents that support them, will bring them to see what is being offered with their own eyes.There is an opportunity for some to play for FREE, go for it what's the worst that can happen you don't make the team? If you make the team you either play for free or you pay to play in the top of the pyramid like many did at their ECNL clubs.10 years vs countries that have been doing it over 100 years okay that's fair. The MLS is been around for 20 years and they are finally starting to put together a good product.Top of the pyramid simple.the ECNL will be just another option and remember when you play GDA clubs with an ECNL team you are playing their B team, just like some NPL teams have done for years.
@1:39 - don't compare the women's side to the men's. Women helped set the bar internationally, men are still catching up with the storied international clubs. They are getting there, but they are not considered the powerhouse, yet. Most of the NT girls came from ODP programs prior to ECNL. And, US Soccer was/is very much involved in it, still. So, transition should be much easier than if starting from scratch.
Sorry I personally do not believe in the current U.S. DA system for boy's or girl's. Women's soccer in the U.S. have a proven track record and yes set the bar internationally so why follow other countries methods. I disagree that the men's side are still catching up after 10 years, they have taken many steps backwards as they did not qualify for the Olympics and on the verge of not qualifying for World Cup. Please don't use individual players that have been identified like Christian Pulisic as a measuring stick for US DA's success if the men's USA team cannot qualifying for anything.
I think US soccer decided to take a big giant crap on the youth soccer structure starting with byc this year and DA next year. It probably set them back 2-4 years. They should have rolled out the DA with u10-u12 and increased every year. I dont trust any of these DA clubs to solely continue the development of my kid and I think with what she has access to in the long run will be a better player than the DA kids. You need a portfolio oc coaches to learn all the skills you need in your tool belt.
I love the BY change...
These are my two zens on BYCGreat if your kid is jan-apr bday as they were in worse positionHorrible for most oct-dec kidsDestroyed a lot of teams and made it harder for some of the grass roots organizations to surviveThe smaller teams was where a lot of early development was going onFallout will continue with teams and clubs still falling apartThe late birthday kids that continue to play/start have a big future aheadI dont think its bad just should have been phased in with younger ages. Friendships and joy of being a kid were again diminished for what will effect less than 1% of the kids.
The "joy of being a kid". Amen to that, the loss of which is what we are trying to deal with now.
We need to help become adults somedayWhat a wake up call!
Have an early birthday U12 - would have moved to U13 - that had been doing well - and is now out of the sport entirely.Tough on some - yep. Team was together 4 years and has taken 3 steps backwards this year. AND they lost a valued coach.
How did they "lose" the valued coach. Didn't he just move to coach another age group? Shifting of resources does not hurt the whole.
Best development years, make it count!
Anyone else surprised at the low turnout at DA tryouts?
How many kids showed up? There are only 25 spots for a team.
Yesterday's DA tryouts for 1999/2000. 8:00-9:30 friday night. didnt publicize it. Noone is surprised at low turnouts. Same thing at the "id sessions" for world class. Less than 16 kids per age group.
Last night was 2001/2002. Maybe 75-80 girls there.
Low turnout you obviously were not there. Older group there were roughly 45 girls there for 23 spots. The 01-02's which mine is part of there were nearly 60 for 23 spots. Matchfits national team girl was there as well! Bye bye Matchfit! Stop being a PDA hater and move on with your life.
This is an age where parents know the quality of there own child so turnouts are mediocre but with quality is far beyond better. This isn't U12/13 tryouts of 100+ anymore people it's cutthroat best of the best.PDA will have a quality DA team the first year and for those that do not make it ECNl will also will be tops as well for PDA.
I know just this (true or not)1. Approx 26 players on a roster.2. 2 hour commute x 4 days a week.3. Only 18 players dress.4. Only 14 players play.5. Cost over 2k per year.6. Still have to travel if you dress.Sorry but the coaches control who play to many unknowns, with a roster full of talented kids.My girl is happy and playing more than 50% of her games - She is talking to D3 schools and has some D1 schools interested per her club coach, her team is not ECNL. She knows the game and plays the right way, it seems that's all that matters.Just being real. I do wish all the players good luck who play GDA keep dreaming and hope to see you on TV playing for our NT some day.
Match fit does not have a national player in those age groups
As a group, we all look forward to March 5th, since there will be plenty of excitement on both teams, just don’t know if there will be enough ice for our opponents.
The match fit nt player is on world class and should go to pda.
SK isn't going anywhere, if anything she is going just a across road. There is big DA news coming from Orangeburg, look for their auditions to be a hot ticket, very hot.
That's funny 6:01. Don't be fooled by their past record. Gonna be a good one. Typical PDA mentality though. Last spring you posted something similar before the MF game and look how that turned out.
Yael coming back to run DA?
Sounds like Nycfc gonna merge with world class girls DA. Where are the players gonna come from?
Quite the different take on the tryoutsWho is lying?
Very interesting stuff, if true, the players will from from everywhere, because the upside of that association is huge. If you disagree, then you are a bonafied idiot, and should stop using your parents computer.
That's huge news if NYCFC merges with World Class. I'm assuming World Class will carry the DA team while NYCFC/World Class will carry the ECNL brand. Any word on Cedar Star and how they are going about with DA selections?
"bonafide" maybe? "parents' computer"?I'm back....SCN
I think WC already had their DA identification sessions
1:37, who told you that? Its not even March yet, and you think they are done?
Not sure they are done, but had sessions already. It was posted.
They were in January.
Those sessions were not GDA, they were very preliminary 2017-2018 ECNL/NPL ID sessions, nothing formal.As with most clubs, the girls on the 01/02 ECNL teams were get first crack at the GDA spots. However, look for many to bypass GDA so that they may play HS soccer, I would say 50%.
GDA sessions - yes - at WCI am not saying World Class or PDA wont have other sessions. We shall see.
They will have more, many more. There are also many questions still and many people won't make decisions for a while.
http://www.wcsocceracademy.org/home/930085.htmlIf interested, reach out to the Dir of Coaching. He's very helpful and will gladly give you information.
I think World Class has a pretty good idea who their DA teams will be.Not saying they wont at least look at you if you inquire now.Good luck.
I'm hearing very low turnouts for older GDA age group of U17/U18 for many clubs. Maybe because players are mostly Jr./Sr. and have already been talking or verbally committed to schools already and they do not want to jeopardize there status. Look to see several 01's to move up to U17/U18 age group leaving many roster openings for U15/U16. That's the word coming from several GDA clubs.
PDA, WC and Spirit had good turn outs in those age groups. Are you trying to steer people away from GDA?
I think you mean U18/U19, 9:28'01/'02 is U16/U17 for 2017-18.
9:28College coaches would like to see a player of interest playing highest level in their senior year don't you think?
8:54, my daughter is on one of those teams, and the club has no idea which girls will out-perform the others, that is why the upcoming season will be so important. The girls are basically playing for a GDA spot, but not all are interested, some want the chance to win a state championship with their HS.
Thus you are saying World Class has not yet decided whether they will HAVE a GDA team, but they already DID decide the players cant play HS soccer?Ok - thanks for that
You don't make sense 10:56I read 10:23 as yes to GDA, not decided on playersDA automatically rules out HS play
You can play HS soccer, no problem, but there might not be a spot for you on the team, when HS season ends. Like most GDA clubs, there will be spots left for girls who want to rejoin the team after HS, however there might only be 2-3 spots for 40-50 players, and HS play is not a good test for GDA players who want to come back. In other words, if you are offered a spot, take it, and forget about HS soccer, forever.
10:56 must be with PDA, they’re not that bright.
11:25General rule is no HS soccer at all if GDA. If you're saying it's up to club, I haven't seen that. There was only rumor because Heinrichs comment. Her comment was vague at best I think. Read the whole context. As you say, good luck with wanting the best of both worlds. Make a choice and stick with it!
7:32 You're welcome bro. Stay in NJ
NJ NYall the same
I will use PDA as my example, why would ant kid turn down a spot on their 1st team GDA for a spot on their B team ECNL just to play HS? I don't get it? You spend all that time/money to be play for the best and then you settle for 2nd best, why play for a GDA club at all then if HS is that important?
7:21Just as in current political decisions, the emotional pull is strong. Make the best for you and your future or the best right now bc "my friends are playing HS ball"
What's the over and under on top bracket at JC?
Perspective people. The future to a 15+/- year old is much closer that the future is to an adult. If there is to be a soccer future, the girls need to want to keep playing, and that requires playing in a place that makes them happy. Soccer needs to be more than just a job (no offense if your port of call is Bayonne - cite to SNL).
7:21, so why do you care, unless of course your kid has mixed feelings, if so, you are doomed. Next thing you hear is, but Daddy I love him!
haha 7:21you're killing me
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