8:49Well said. Shame about the weather. Some interesting matchips this weekend that could have been telling in where these teams are right now. Kind of have to put an askerisk behind the result if the forcast doesnt improve. 9:23Relax. With all the time energy and money put into our daughters, everyone here has earned the right to talk alittle smack on an anonymous board when they are winning. Not much you wouldnt hear at the hotel bar over a couple beers
9:24If you cant beat them mock them. Thats the ecnl motto, at least in Jersey, right?
NEWSS Showcase Top FlightBracket A EAST MEADOW HOTSHOTZ (NYE)ATLETICO FC GIRLS '01 (NYE)TSF ACADEMY 01/02G (NJ)Bracket BSTA MORRIS UNITED NPL 01 (NJ)ALBERTSON FURY '01 PRE-ECNL (NYE)ATLANTIC UNITED ACADEMY - AVALANCHE (NJ)
What a joke of a top flight at News. That's the best they could draw
"What a joke of a top flight at News. That's the best they could draw"I'm really offended by the quality of the trolling of late. At least put some effort into it...like the 50-mile rule guy.
NEWSSThese 4 good teamsEM ATLETICOSTAALBERTSON PRE ECNLDrop off with these 2TSFATLANTIC UNITED
What's the chaces of Bethesda being canceled.
What's wrong with it?EM 1of top Pre-ECNL teams in RegionAtletico not a bad teamTSF not a bad teamSTA must be good they are in EDP Central and is also doing well in NYCSL NPLAlbertson not a bad teamAtlantic good test to see if they belong at this level.U13 Age Group doesn't know about it yet, older ages have some big hitters since it's first event for most of them in the new season.
I'd have liked to have seen Atletico opposite E Meadow at NEWSS
Yea, "on paper"e meadow looks like the better team but athletico seems to have their number( 2 wins 2 ties in last yr) i bet they are building up quite a rivalry
5:12 I'm going to build on your question. Just play along for a few seconds.What if PA Classics and SJEB both became ECNL clubs. Would PL parents hang around or would some make the switch? Same goes for the South Jersey clubs do they move to SJEB or do they stay put.I guess my question is what if you had an ECNL option within a 30 minute drive - would you test the waters for your kid?
1:20Let me answer that as one of only a few people who actually can. It would take a pack of wild horses to drag my daughter and us away from her teammates and her coaches. Chemistry is everything in team sports, especially girls. Its one thing to have 17-18 great players, but when they are like sisters, thats special. Let me ask you a question, what do you think Classics would do differently if they became an ecnl club. They all ready have a great professional coach, very good players and excellent facilities. They pull players from about 7 or 8 school districts. From what I've seen an ecnl tag is like an alnowledgement that the club has been consistantly very good and deserves to be recognized. But the ecnl tag didnt make them good they were all great clubs long before the ecnl existed and they would still be so now with or without it. However inside those clubs like most clubs you have some great teams, some good and some not so much. If your kid isnt thriving with her current team, find her another with a proven coach in a proven club which may or may not be ecnl. Ecnl label is turning out to be a good marketing ploy, but little else
I can respect that 2:11.What would Classics do differently? Probably nothing besides playing a tough game every Saturday and Sunday 20+ a year just in league play guaranteed plus 2 extra events for another 6 to 8 games. Then if they were lucky Post Season play.It's not what they would do differently but it would be the opportunity for ODP type players to play with each other and train with each other all year round. That is special if your kid is lucky enough to be one of them. I'll ask you a follow up question and I hate doing this but i'm going to anyway. Lets say your kid's team has great chemistry and are all solid players. Would the prodigy on your kid's team be better of hanging and playing with friends that also happen to be good soccer players or training and playing with other prodigy players? That's what the ECNL clubs want to be, but at the end of the day if the parent's think it's a marketing ploy then it will remain where it is - but if it continues to put out WNT players at the younger ages like it has - it will Grow (what is it 5 years old, it's still a baby - give it time). That's my take on this.
By the time it grows into what you hope it will be, something bigger and better will have come along Just the way it is
2:29 How many WNT players did it put out or produce?
http://www.d1soccerrecruiting.com/ecnl-and-the-college-recruiting-process-what-does-the-data-reveal/I know many of you have seen this before, but worth re-posting on the ECNL vs local front regarding college and recruiting.
2:29Not all players on An ECNL team is a prodigy type player. That is an overused term that a lot of parents use when describing an Impact player on a good team.Ever watch an impact player from one team play against a prodigy player, the difference is night and day.Everything comes easy to a prodigy player, Their left foot and right foot is just as strong, their passing abilities from both feet are equivalent but most importantly their IQ is off the charts. They rarely lose the Ball in tight spaces and their passing is quick and deliberate. They can be any size but are always quick enough and strong enough to get of of trouble. Lots of good players in the ECNL, Very few prodigy players.And playing with good players you can find anywhere- Inside and outside the ECNL.-Soccer Nut-
A good marketing ploy or fact?In only 5 years, there are 194 ECNL alums currently playing in the SEC – more than 50% of all SEC women soccer players. The SEC 2014 freshman class alone had 73 ECNL alums – 59% of the class.205 ECNL alumni are currently playing in the Big Ten Conference.Nearly 53% of the players in the Big Ten Conference are ECNL alums.There were 58 ECNL alums in the 2014 Big Ten freshman class, the second consecutive year the ECNL was 50% or more of the class.In only 5 years, there are 207 ECNL alums currently playing in the ACC – nearly 57% of all ACC women soccer players. The ACC 2014 freshman class alone had 71 ECNL alums - 62% of the class.•215 ECNL alumni are currently playing in the Pac-12 Conference.•Nearly 65% of the players in the Pac-12 Conference are ECNL alums.•There were 72 ECNL alums in the 2014 Pac-12 freshman class, nearly 70% of the class!
•149 ECNL alumni are currently playing in the Big 12 Conference.•Nearly 60% of the players in the Big 12 Conference are ECNL alums.•The number of ECNL alums in the Big 12 freshman class has grown every year - to 51 players in 2014’s class.
2:36 Most recent U17 WNT training camp called in 25 girls. Of them, 20 came from ECNL clubs. I'd like to be the marketing guy for that league, because it isn't really hard to make "80% of players being called up are from your league" sound really good...http://www.topdrawersoccer.com/club-soccer-articles/snow-calls-in-25-players-for-u17-wnt-camp_aid34997
2:29Lets be clear, you do NOT play tough games every sat or sun. The bottom half of your league is no better than the bottom half of pags1. When you are done with the condisending laughter go look it up. Pags1 teams are 4-1 against ecnl teams this fall. your bottom 5 teams have a goal differential of -90. Imho the coaches of the bottom teams did them a great diservice by playing in that league, but i know they had no choice. The top teams should have been playing edp where half there games would not have been a cakewalk.
Here is an article written by a guy that had a daughter not on an ECNL team. He decided to do some research and he wrote down what he found out. It is interesting stuff. http://www.d1soccerrecruiting.com/ecnl-and-the-college-recruiting-process-what-does-the-data-reveal/
2:58 No the bottom 3 (the 2 PA teams and Albertson), I know you are not saying the bottom PAGS teams can hang with FSA FC 01 U13 Pre-ECNL &World Class FC 01 U13 Pre-ECNL SO is that how you come back to all the proof just provided about ECNL kids playing D1 and how many are at the u17 WNT?Remember this is only a 5 year old league.
Thanks for the link "Conclusions and RecommendationsFrom this analysis of the data, it would seem that we can say the following: it is not absolutely necessary for a player to join an ECNL club in order to be recruited by a D1 school or a Top 25 D1 school, but the likelihood of being recruited by such a school increases fairly dramatically for those who choose to participate in ECNL.From a more practical standpoint, we can make the following recommendations:If you are a young female soccer player and you want to play soccer at a D1 school, you should carefully consider ECNL. If you choose to not participate in ECNL (there are a variety of reasons why you might not – geography, finances, loyalty to your current club), there is a lot of hard work ahead of you, but your dream is not impossible.If you are a young female soccer player and you already are part of an ECNL club, there is still a great deal of hard work ahead of you (the recruiting process is never easy), but your participation in ECNL increases the chances of success."
So by your own calculations the other 40-50% of the players in those conferences came from NON-ECNL CLubs.Sounds like you have proven only that you can get there wither way.You have made the point that many good players are in EDNL, but also that many are getting to those programs without spending many hours each week in their cars sitting and driving in rush hour traffic to ecnl clubs 1 1/2 to even 3 or 4 hours away and doing it again for home games on the weekends.Not to mention making multiple trips for games and tournaments to places at the other end of the US where most of them have no interest in going to college.
Correct, ECNL is not needed to go to a D1 College. I don't think anyone ever said it was. Those were just stats complied by another person. If a player is good enough to play D1 College then the college coaches will find them. ECNL events usually make it easier for college coaches to see girls.
Never said anything differently.
BETHESDA42 degrees Saturday (clear)47 on Sunday (10% chance of rain)wind no more than 10 mph
"So by your own calculations the other 40-50% of the players in those conferences came from NON-ECNL CLubs.Sounds like you have proven only that you can get there wither way."This is only true if ECNL clubs constitute 60-50% of all the clubs out there, right?Of course you can get there either way, ECNL or non-ECNL. ECNL is just easier, agreed?
Wow 3:00pm, great stuff, that opened my eyes, so my gk daughter is better off on ecnl, lets be honest, how can you not read that. wow thanks
The guys daughter that wrote the article didn't play ECNL and she ended up at Santa Clara. So she didn't need the ECNL. I think there is a lot of parents that really hope new girls do not show up at tryouts for their ECNL team. That way their daughter has no competition to make the team.
he said "the level of connections her club had to her target dream school’s coaching staff was crucial to the success of the process"3:55 Great point we are talking about only ~70 Clubs Nationally compared to everyone else. So those numbers would be even higher if you took that into account. WOW. Forgot about that.I still believe the only people that have anything against ECNL are people that have something to lose or sour grapes. Why would anyone try so hard to throw mud at it otherwise.
3:28Of course not, but by the same token you are not saying the bottom teams in ecnl can hang with the top of pags1 either are you? i was just pointing out that at least a handful of those "tough games" you referenced are against teams that lost to the bottom teams in pag and we know how you feel about that league.U-17 I believe almost all those girls also played odp and would have been there with or without ecnl. D-1 unless they are freshmen not 1 of them played their formative years at an ecnl club because it didnt exist. Thats the problem I have with the ecnl fans. You are giving credit to the ecnl for the work that was done by coaches and programs that existed long before the ecnl began. I have no problem with lets say PDA. But are you telling me they were incapable of producing nat team level talent before they became an ecnl club. If they left tomorrow would they no longer be able to get their players into d-1 schools? Of course not! Heres where the slick marketing comes in. The ecnl "took over" (for lack of a better term) the best clubs in the country who were already producing much of the top talent and then took credit for it. And your buying itLook if you live close enough to an ecnl club and your daughter can hang then have at it! Every one of them have a history of producing great teams and players. Thats why the ecnl admitted them. But to those of you who think all talent exists exclusivly in the ecnl or that you hAve to drive your daughter half way acroos the state every night for her to reach her potential or play d-1, its simply not true.
Great soccer talk back and forth. This is what I wish this blog could be most of the time. There is actual thought put behind these blogs without the team bashing that usually is there. Great job guys (or ladies)and please keep it up.
Thats what she said
Well that lasted long
Bethesda pollRecords of NJ teams going down south this weekendI will start with Wildcats at 0-2-1(and I like them)
MF PRE ECNL 4-0 Best team in NJ
Unless PDA or East meadow craps teethe bed in last couple of games. It looks like one will finish the fall season#1 , the other #2.Match fit will probably finish #3, with Boston breakers at #4 for fall season.
I gotta go 1-1-1 for Match FitCup Gold takes that bracketTie vs BRYCWill beat Binghamton2-1 would not surprise.
I’m going to go against the trend and talk about every bracket. Bethesda Tournament-GirlsGirls U13 PotomacHard to argue with Cincinnati, but I think MF takes the bracket and plays PF or FCV in Final. I would love for Nj Wildcats to do well and make finals BRYC 01 ELITE (VACINCINNATI UNITED CUP GOLD (OSGREATER BINGHAMTON FC 01 SELECT (NYWMATCH FIT ACADEMY FC PRE ECNL (NJ FC VIRGINIA PRE-ECNL 01 (VAMARYLAND UNITED FC 01 ECNL (MDNJ WILDCATS AVERBUCH (NJ PENN FUSION SA '01G ECNL (PAE) Girls U13 ChesapeakeHMMS wins weak bracket and plays NEFC in final. Would love to MF NPL make final. I think 1776 drops 2 and wins 1.HARFORD FC UNITED THUNDER (MD) HMMS EAGLE FC 01 SPIRIT (PAE1776 UNITED XTREMES (PAEMATCH FIT ACADEMY FC NORTH EAST NPL (NJNEFC ELITE U13 GIRLS (MAGirls U13 PatriotEDP D1 vs PAGS D1 in group play.Plus best PAGS D1 record and Finals runner up goes against to 2 NYCSL NPL teams one from Nj and the other from NYE. Galaxy vs Nj Crush in FinalNJCSA GALAXY (NJ) RAGE SC '01 ATHLETICA (PAEISA 01 NPL (NYENJ CRUSH FC TSUNAMI (NJPA CLASSICS ACADEMY 01 (PAE) Girls U13 LibertyLet’s see YMS a top PAGS team does against a bottom 3rd ECNL team and a middle of the road NorthEast NPL team. CFC vs Pipeline in finalCONTINENTAL FC DELCO ECNL (PAE) FC STARS OF MASS NPL (MAYARDLEY MAKEFIELD SOCCER YMS BANSHEES (PAE Girls U13 FreedomHas a little NewEngland NPL vs NYCSL NPL in group play.Manahattan vs Starz in Final.GPS-MA NPL (MA MANHATTAN SC G01 PRIDE (NYE) Girls U13 AtlanticI think next year MF enters a 3rd team in NPL.Let’s see how they would do against CFC a bottom 3rd team.We also get to how NYCSL NPL Massapequa handles themselves.Should be in Final vs MF North?CONTINENTAL FC BARCA '01F NPL MATCH FIT ACADEMY FC BLACK NORTH (NJ)MASSAPEQUA LIL' ROWDIES (NYE
BOCA. Just saying.
MAPS 2014 FALL CHALLENGEGirls U13G MAPS FC COPA ACADEMY LIMA NPL (NJ)JERSEY SHORE BOCA JR FC FUSION (NJ)TBAA PREMIER STRYKERS (NJ)THISTLE COMETS (NJ) FC BUCKS ESPRIT ECNL (PAE) HUB SOCCER OF DENVILLE LIGHTNING (NJ)SDFC SAMBA (NJ)WALL SC WAVE (NJ) Boca or Copa vs FC Bucks in the final
OK I'll playBethesda FinalsCincinnati over NJ WildcatsMatchfit over HarfordNJCSA over PA ClassicsPipeline over YMS(both should have been in a higher bracket)But keep in mind, its just 1 more idiot predicting how 12 yr olds are going to play on a cold weekend.Hope everyone has a great tournament!
Finals:Cincinnati vs FCVMF vs Hartford Nj Galaxy vs Crush Pipeline vs YMS
Good luck MF @ Bethesda. Bring NJ back an out of State Tournament win.
Huh. Those are some really strange comment deletions.
Looks like player movement has started before the first snow fallSeems MF has players going elsewhere
ECNL or NPL?
I don’t care what team you play for, at this age group, you must leave your current team, if you’re not getting minutes in important games, you must leave. How is your child going to improve sitting on the bench? She’s not, there are plenty of good options around, talk about it, do your research, and take the plunge. Good luck.
Depends on the player and her level. If you are not playing on one team it is most likely that you are not going to play on a comparable team. Agree you need to move either way to play but most likely you will need to move down a level to get that playing time....
Not always. Sometimes a fresh start and a new coach and new mix can change a players situation. Sometimes a new voice can spark them after a stale situation..It is sometimes just a matter of motivation and confidence.
10:24 Which MatchFit Team ecnl or npl?
Cmon 10:24 answer 11:03's question? Since you threw that out there explain
Just trying to stir the pot!
YMS should win against Stars lower level team. I for one know the cold and wind doesn't stop them. But, you never know, on any given day....
"Cmon 10:24 answer 11:03's question? Since you threw that out there explain" I agree. Explain. And doesn't Match Fit have four teams at this age group? Why assume the "movement", if any, effected the ECNL or NPL teams as opposed to the other two teams.
What player movement?
11:53Going to assume you are with YMS. DD's team played them twice recently. Tough kids, great team. Thats why I predicted they would be in the finals with pipeline. Heads up if you do meet them there they are just as physical as you guys. Best of luck, hope you and the rest of the pa east teams can make some of these critics of PA soccer shut up for awhile.
We'll see which players are on each MF team this weekend.I expect they will look much the same as usual - and that all three teams will do wellSafe trip, all.
MF will look same this weekendStarting in Spring they won't
What makes people think that MF teams will oook different this weekend. I would think MF would have mentioned this to players if they were indeed changing teams.
Its likely they meant SPRING changesThis wouldnt be news It was already noted that MF teams might take shape leading up to ECNL play - starting a half year early makes some sense
Only people posting on here about changes are:People stirring pot People hoping their child movesOR NJ WILDCATS
So NJX and Wildcats are merging?
So first Wildcats merge with Freehold Lady Fusion Blue, then they take Howell and PDA Souths best 3 players (according to posts here), then they merge with NJ Force and now...
NJX and Wildcats are merging just like the Yankees and RedSox are merging. Come on people, stop making sh** up. Are you that bored that you have to stir the pot that much?
Only girls moving off of MF are girls that know they will not be in the mix on either the ECNL or NE NPL teams....
Where I come from the only players that move hslf way though a season are those whose parents well, move. How does that work at your clubs. Is "player movement" a polite way of saying the girls been cut, relegated to the b or c teams, or is this only done by choice by the parents?
First Wildcats never merged with anybody. They have players from all over Monmouth county. Second of all. 3 best players from PDA South? Explain to me why did Ajax get better after the 3 players left. Stop stirring the pot and enjoy your weekend
“Where I come from?”I have been reading this board for about 18 months, and I think that is the first time I have ever seen that term used, congrats*!*sarcasm implied
6:04 So thats the answer I get?I have been reading this board for about 3 monthes, and I think that is the first time I've seen an obnocious jackass post an ignorant responce to a legitamate question congrats*!Sarcasm implied
6:25, please have your daughter proofread your post, before you further embarrass yourself, go back to your simple life, enjoy your moments in the sun...
8:08Ah yes, the humility of spelling a word wrong on a message board from my phone. I am so ashamed! Tell me, what leads someone to attempt to belittle another person unprovoked on an anonymous message board? I assume its lack of self esteem or something, so if it makes you feel better about yourself, thats fine, I really dont expect much better from many here.The question remains. My daughters have played 17 seasons for 3 clubs. Not once has a coach given up on a player in the middle of a season or a player quit on her team halfway. Is such 'player movement" typical in other areas, is it an ecnl thing , a jersey thing? Feel free to respond with a legitimate answer or more condisention. Either way I will be sitting here enjoying my simple life.
Answer is that it has become increasingly common for players to leave a fall team and join a new one for springThis happens at times even though there is no friction, no real reason.Basically they do it for a greener pasture (read: a better team)A season really should include both fall and spring and these type team jumps should be frowned upon if the team taking the new player on has had (and initiated) contact with said player
10:41Thank you for the polite and informative answer. A number of posts had me wondering if it was common inside these larger elite clubs such as MF to reevaluate players at the end of fall and move them between teams. A great player who just didn't shine at tryouts moving up maybe, but girls who aren't playing well enough to a lower team? It's going to happen after tryouts every spring but having that pressure on these girls twice a yr seems excessive at this age. As far as girls leaving for greener pastures mid season, don't think I would even want that girl and her parents on my daughters team. Says a lot about their mentality. I know it sucks but losing builds character, quitting never does.
7:23 Now that is a refreshing attitude!
8:38 You can't blame that on your phone.There's a pattern of idiocy in that post. You're a dope.
9:38 Ease up! They made a mistake. Being a jerk and a bully is worse than any difference of opinion you may have with their view on things.
7:23I wonder if everything is so Black and white regarding a player leaving in the middle of the season.Let me tell you about an experience my older daughter had on of her team.There was a young lady @ about u14 who's was a core player for my daughters team. The parents did the right thing and told the coach that they would be leaving at the end of the spring season. The information was communicated sometime in April. Two things happened to that child -and parent for that matter.The girls playing time was reduced significantly in the Spring so that the coach could look at other kids in her position. she went from 90% playing time to 60% to around 40%. Her playing time dropped in half. The second thing that happened is that while the girls on the team continued their friendship, the parents on the sideline, who found out directly from coach and parent manager, began to ostracize the parents that had decided to leave.I wish i could say that this is an isolated case and it simply doesn't happen with other teams but I have found that this type of behavior is more common than you think.Knowing that-that can happen always gives a parent a reason to pause, especially when playing time for their child is reduced!Another awkward instance is when parents at the end of the year go to try-outs for another team and a parent, or coach for that matter, lets the parents and or coach of the team that she is leaving know that little Susie was at our try-outs.I have seen this cause great consternation between coach, child and departing parent.Sometimes, I wonder, if cutting it clean between the seasons, Is not better for the child, parent , and team. Especially, if there are plenty of other kids on the roster.Nothing is Black and White.-Soccer Nut-
9:38Its not so much my phone as it is my non opposable thumbs.Since I see you have chosen "more condisention" over the far more boring "mature and productive soccer dialog" option I guess our conversation is done.Just remember you NEED imperfect people like me in the world. Otherwise who would you look down your nose at?Have a good afternoon and best of luck to your daughter if she is playing this weekend.
10:27There are a thousand misspelled words on this board so I didn't realize it was being monitored by the spell check police. I will try to do better. BTW, do you have any actual soccer knowledge or is this the extent of what you are able to contribute around here?
Soccer NutThat is a very good point. It would be nice to assume these coaches always have the well being of the girls in mind, even if that means supporting one going to another team/club to reach her full potential as a player. Not sure that leaving in the middle of the season is the better option but you are right, nothing's black and white.
Spelling trumps soccer knowledge in real life.
The real feel temperature for the games tomorrow morning is going to be 27 degrees, good luck with that. Expect the fields to be frozen, too. Sucks that the girls have to play in such conditions, hope for the best, and pack, gloves, hats and blankets.
Yes, by all means, next time your club is looking to hire a coach, dispel with the whole education, experience, coaching philosophy b.s. and just hand out spelling texts.In case you haven't noticed this isn't real life it's a soccer message board. Here, soccer knowledge trumps proper spelling. Unfortunately there's not much of either on display this morning.
Do you mean "tests"?
Good job, your spell checking abilities are top notch, but if you have to ask what I meant, your deductive reasoning skills need some work.
Will be interested to see how both MF teams do this weekend. Will be pressure on both to perform well. NJ teams have not done well out of state.Good luck and keep warm.
"deductive reasoning" lol.. Who helped you with that one Einstein?
You guys bore me sometimes. Some of the fighting is entertaining. In this case, not so much. If I know you personally, I hope I don't like you in real life, either.
4:04You're right, I fell bad about getting sucked into that nonsense. I'd much rather have a discussion about soccer than grammar.
How come no one has posted the MFA score? Is it because they lost?
How many teams does match fit have at this age and which are the a,b,c teams?
Same reason no wildcats post. Must be two L's.
Loss for Match fit ECNLTie for Match Fit NPL
Not a good day for the jersey girls, crush can't even win a game in third bracket. Short weekend tournament....
Wildcats lost 2-1 against FC Vitginia and tied Penn Fusion 0-0
Match Fit Black is having a good weekend.
You mean they beat penn fusion 0-0
The scores of the game says that the NJ teams are competitive. not great-not bad.They are competing but are not anywhere the type of teams that should be bragging about how good they are in the region.
TIFWIW - Not associated with either team but watched most of the Wildcats-Penn Fusion game. Penn Fusion was the better skilled team, able to build up play out of the back and keeping their cool under tough pressure. The Wildcats defenders rarely, if at all, tried passing out of the back but one-touched almost every ball right up the field. Wildcats were a tough, physical team and had their chances to win, including a great chance right at the end of the first half. PF had the ball in the box a number of times but struggled to get any shots off.
MAPS Fall Challenge... thistle looked good, topped FC Copa. Upset???
One touch by wildcat defenders is classic wildcat play. Their tactics are to kick the ball forward into space as fast as they can. This can disrupt play in the last 3rd. It is one of the main reasons the scores remain low. They will combine this with physical play. I call this no skill. Wildcat parents call this big tough defenders that get rid of the ball fast.
No, 6:53Thistle is very well coached and has some kids that easily could be playing club.
6:29 is spot on. Not sure how PF didn't score. Not at all impressed with the Wildcats style of play. Kickball and hoping for a breakaway, not realizing they weren't getting by PFs defense.
How did PDA NpL North so today in CT?
Thistle crushed by boca. Boca guest player. Boca In finals Here they come. They are now walking the walk.
BOCAs got to face FC Bucks in finals, they don't have a chance.
Wildcats beat Maryland Untied pre-ecnl today 1-0 to finish 1-1-1 and place 2nd to FCV in their half of the top bracket, ahead of both penn fusion and maryland United.Since MF finished 3rd in their half that means wilcats top finish among jersey teams even though they were only team in top flight of 8 that are not pre -ecnl.
No points picked up this weekend for the chasers. The almighty rankings will drop for a few. Not good for Club website and recruiting talk. It actually is beginning to make some teams look very bad when you review their GS page.
Nice showing by NJ teams in Bethesda. In particular, the 2 teams that were in the top flight - Matchfit preECNL & Wildcats who both went 1-1-1. Good job ladies.
@523.....Didn't take long for the public relations spin to start. Somehow going 1-1-1 against teams that are ranked well below you is now being described as a "nice showing". Talk about looking at the glass as half full! Wow.
How did MF NPL do in much weaker B flight at Bethesda.They were claiming they should have been in top flight over maryland united pre-ecnl who tied both FCV and Penn Fusion and lost to wildcats 0-1.Speaking of points they must have picked up quite a few.
5:30 but you have been saying all along the Gs Rankings were "meaningless".Seriously EVERY team in that top flight was very tough. No team on either side of that top bracket went through 3-0-0, nuff said.
Sorry, WAGS top flight was tougher, this was a winnable tournament for MF, better luck next time!
6:29pm again - Just to correct an earlier post (apparently from Wildcats), Match Fit finished in second in their bracket by beating Cincinnati, a more impressive win than Wildcats'. And from watching both teams, Match Fit plays a much more attractive game of soccer. The all-Virginia finals finished 0-0, with FCV beating BRYC when BRYC missed first on the sixth kick.
What happened to SDFC Samba this weekend? Wow! They got ran over in top bracket of Fall Challenge. Surprising.
Grasping for straws. Your team has already started down from their crest as all of these other programs will merge all top kids from ecnl and ne npl..... Next year's ecnl teams are gonna be fun to watch! Lots of talent in this age group. Will be fun to watch all those teams come together. Hope PDA open minded and gives some girls from north and south a shot at ecnl team.....
@6:17 FC Copa results just as bad if not worse. Thistle surprising. Good showing by FC Bucks ECNL making it to final.
mf npl did not advance.They won 1 game in B flight.Also finished behind Dragons in npl league.
MF npl lost to NEFC 0-1 who won flight. Your point is? NEFC is every bit as good as any team in other flight. They are undefeated in ne npl and this league is a full year. Unlike other point grabbing bush leagues. Plus, this team gets to merge with pre ecnl team. End of the road for you though. So keep trying to knock. You are done..... peaking at u13.... ouch. It obviously is bothering you since you feel the need to bash others to make yourself feel better as usual. Not one other team has today. Again, as usual you lead in the DB/white trash category..... one category you will always be #1 in. Can you get GS points for that? Lol.
I agree 6:46. Boca. I saw Boca play twice today and they did well. Impressive.
To 5:17, Since I don't see Binghamton, BRYC or Cincinnati on the ECNL member clubs list, can you explain how Wildcats were the only non-ECNL club in the top bracket at Bethesda? Is every one from Wildcats this uninformed?
True, MF NPL did beat ENY Flash Academy for their only win this weekend.Dragons have moved right on past your team.
Pretty Funny comment for a team that has Never beaten them. These top girls get to merge with top girls on ecnl team. Let me know How that works for you at PDA..... you will be playing teams like wildcats next year....
No they will probably be avoiding them and every other top team that doesn't have ecnl in their name.
Who is ENY Flash Academy?
All I know is MF finished behind Dragons in NPL this fall.
You do understand that league is a full year do you? Little desperate are you?? Is it a point lead right now? I guess that happens when you have Never really won anything before.... Good luck with that as you will have to play each other again and actually beat them.
@6:46 you commented on every top team in that bracket except the one that won. After looking at results, SDFC and FC Copa both had tough weekends. FC Bucks ECNL had a good showing this weekend but BOCA was the champion. Let's give credit to both finalists along with Thistle who surprised many but couldn't make it to finals.
So FC (pre-ecnl) Bucks enters a sub-par, end of season tourney, and they lose in the final to Boca, is that right?Where I am from, that sucks.
wildcat defenders still big and tough kicking the ball down the field?
Thistle? Are you for reals?
@8:38 Thistle beat FC Copa and SDFC Samba, yes I'm "for reals"
My kid played in 2 games today in Hammonton... we played a team who I know for a fact had at least 1 PDA type guest in the final game... I know this striker was a guest, and not on the teams roster. I know this is commonly done in tournaments... but this team is bragging about winning a tournament with player(s) that aren't even on that team. Why does the other parents allow this to happen? And what's in it for the club? The club with the 'guest' had 5 kids on the bench, and this guest put in several goals today... I don't know what could be done, but it seems a little shady. Maybe I could understand better on why this is not a big deal. Any thoughts?
@8:39 and then lost to boca 4-0
8:40 parent, do you claim your team lost because of ONE guest player??? She must really be something!!
How many points is this tournament this year?When does got soccer take away from last year?
8:40, it's common, yes, but truly unfair to the rostered girls, especially if their minutes were lessened, and ultimately who cares about tournament success, if your child's experience was compromised. The top clubs do not do that, pick a team, train hard and let's go!
One guest that I know of... Why do the parents of the the team allow guests... I have an open mind (I think) and if it's no big deal, it's fine... I don't know why it's done, and why it's allowed when there's 5 subs. And the guest that I knew was their best player.
Dragons. Are you really happy about being in first place in a c level league? My daughter plays in this league and it really is weak. As a coach, you have to make up crazy rules for players in these games, just to keep the games interesting. Reminds me of MOSA.
826..."wildcat defenders still big and tough kicking the ball down the field?"Huh?
@8:59, maybe the player is considering switching teams, maybe the team was down players for other games in tourn, maybe the team has girls inactive with injuries. Many reasons. One guest player usually doesn't change that much. What team are you speaking of?
We don't name or insinuate players here, and I won't be doing that. But with 5 subs, all of which eventually played... She played 75% of the game. So I doubt there's an injury issue.She is a very nice kid, and very good player that happens to guest often.
@8:40 did the guest dominate your team or did the team move the ball around you and create opportunities for her. Were all their goals breakaways? It's really tough to say that at U13 one player can change the entire game. But possible I guess??
11 of the 15 games played at Bethesda in top flight had a shutout, including the final. Had already been shown roughly 75% of games in EDP Central had a shutout this year. Just saying! LOL
@9:19 - This will be my last post on the subject... I don't wan this to go on... She was the best player on the field for both teams... And I don't know their entire team, but I would be surprised if there was just one "guest" on her adopted team. She did not dominate, but she definitely gave them a clear advantage.My issue, why would a parent be proud of winning a tournament with a kid or two that's not on their team - bragging about it here like it's a major deal.And if you're a parent of a kid on the bench, why are you not screaming at these practices?
Boca plz be quiet ... I saw the final not impressed at all ... Be humble take your win .
Hey 9:01I am looking at the Fall Leagues. Besides the Pre-ECNL league, which leagues are stronger than the NE NPL?
At U12, my daughter was a guest tournament player for a lower level team in her club because of injuries and absences. She scored every goal for the team on the second day, including the goals in the finals, despite trying to get other players involved because she realized it was their team. I still wonder if the players and parents devalued the tourney win but on that day at least, they were all very happy and because of the dearth of subs, it didn't cut playing too much. Winning did seem to boost the morale and confidence of the team. But I understand your concerns and if my daughter's team only won b/c of a guest player playing well below her regular level, then I personally would place less value on the win. And to address another comment, while it's harder at U13, a high-level difference maker will still dominate if she guests down two or more levels.
9:25Your girls played well this weekend, I hope they are proud of themselves.Next time you go into Jersey , you may want to leave any preconceived notions of shady practices at the bridge. Winning is all that matters. And you didn't really expect to get on here an see a display of class and dignity from the winning team, did you?
Wow, some disgruntled FC Bucks parents tonight.
@9:20, without doubt, there was lots of shutouts this weekend, 6 out of the 13 games having one team shutout and 3 of the 13 games (including the finals) ending 0-0. A large part of that was the defense but several of the teams had a hard time generating ANY offense, as evidenced by the three teams who only scored 1 goal in the tournament.
MF NPL to dumb to realize that Wildcats are mocking them about finishing behind Dragons. NPL results are based on a full year (Fall/Spring) results. Wildcats wouldn't know this because they still play EDP.
8:40 boca carries a full roster (I think 17) thru cup and league play. I would assume this is bc, unlike academy clubs that have several teams to select from in case of injuries or absences, they only have one team at each age group. 5 subs is not abnormal for them.
Actually if Connecticut FC wins out next weekend they finish the fall season in first place in NPL. What are their chances?? PDA South stands in the way.
Our club would never use a guest player unless we were extremely desperate.( I am saying only one on two two subs)We are so proud of our roster of 17 & stand behind them 100%. If the roster can't get the job done... They don't deserve to get the credit that one other player may have created. Wouldn't you wonder, "could they have done it without her"!!
@10:23 Good for you - agreed.Obviously your team didn't win their division at Hammonton today. Why would a parent or a coach get all excited with a win in a tournament while using guest players that are better than your rostered players and while you had 5 subs?
10:37 Our team had no part of any play this weekend. I am just saying our club takes great pride in our roster and the decisions they made. The coaches will stand behind that. I would disregard any scores that had action with guest players. They are fake!! That "team"can not take credit for that. That is not their "team".
Biggest Bethesda surprises for me:BRYCYMS BansheesSomeone posted here that BRYC was rated too high. Wow - was that ever a doozy!Great finalBRYC allowed ZERO goals in 4 games, by the way.
8:26 - "wildcat defenders still big and tough kicking the ball down the field?"Yes, I would pick them 1st for my kickball team. Big- yes .. tough - no
I am not surprised at all by YMS. I have been on this site for weeks saying the PA East(read that PAGS1) teams are not getting the respect they deserve, especially YMS. Rage won the patriot division as well. Throw in 1776 playing even with Match Fit NPL, Classics not losing a game, and even the Pumas beating Pipeline 3-0, and all in all a good showing. Great job girls!Biggest surprise was Harford. Don't know if they are nursing injuries or what, but they are a better team than their showing this weekend would suggest.
NPL leagues are a little different. They play 40 minute halves. Once subbed out, you can not return to game that half.Final standings will be based on both Fall and Spring record.Top 4 teams will have a playoff to determine League Champion.NJ NE NPL teams had a very good Fall season. Combined (PDA North, MF NPL, and PDA South) are: W24-L2-D5 96GF/22GA both loses coming in NJ vs NJ games.
U13 Pre ECNL NJ Teams (PDA and MF):W13-L2-D4 46GF/14GA
On my not surprised list:Penn Fusion - 1 GF, 3 GA. Similar to WAGS where they were 1 GF, 4 GA. Scoring drought continues. Time to take some finishing clinics over the winter, ladies.Binghamton - Poster child for "big team with good athletes who kick the ball far and had lots of success at younger ages but now other teams are playing possession soccer and suddenly they are not winning so much".NEFC - should have been in top flightRage - thought this would actually be an all PA final but Classics did not hold up their end of the dealYMS - easiest pick all weekend. Flighted too low.Surprises:BRYC - I've seen them play. And based on their WAGS results I did not expect much of them. That's a great weekend for them. Kudos.Match Fit pre-ECNL - I'm very surprised they gave up two goals to BRYC. Also surprised that they were tied by the Bing. And then, based on those two wins, I'm surprised that they rose up and beat Cincinnati, in a game that was a must win for Cincinnati. Weird weekend for them.Wildcats - Based on this board, I was expecting a bunch of thuggish cheap shot artists with crazy parents. Pleased to say this was not true. Parents were fine. And I've seen much more physical teams than Wildcats. Probably one of the best things they do is switch the field as their girls have the leg strength to do that. And they have some midfielders that have some nice skills. That all being said, yeah, they played direct, not quite like how NJX plays exclusively direct, but the end goal of each passing sequence seemed to be to boot a long through ball to a striker who was waiting waiting waiting for the right time to take off on a sprint. Sometimes it would be a defender who just booted the ball forward, other times it was the midfielders stringing three passes together before playing it back for a big boot from the holding mid. So yeah, direct. But it is completely unfair to say that they pack it in and wait for a breakaway. They were a good team. I'd say better than MF NPL and PDA South, but not as good as MF pre-ECNL and PDA pre-ECNL, which is where a lot of others have ranked them.FC Virginia - Can't classify it as a surprise as I had never seen them before, but I just wanted to mention how impressed I was with this team. They are very fast and skilled. They always seemed to have numbers, all over the field. I think they are better than PDA pre-ECNL. Their parents sucked, but I liked that I barely heard a peep out of their coach.
7:27I agree!Watched them play this weekend.As previous poster said they just kick the ball down the field.They are not particularly fast but they are big.Best way to play defense a this age is to make sure the ball gets cleared from the back. That is what they do.To be fair, it is effective as you can keep a score down and begin a counter attack.It will grow tiresome in next year and team will fade into oblivion like their older teams. This team will be no different then any team in the wildcat club.
They are very much like old NJX(MF NPL) and that is why both teams usually tie each other. Both teams can compete with almost anybody because they are extremely athletic. The problem here is the wildcats team is going to be this exact team moving forward. Academy programs will be mixing the talent. So the ECNL teams will all mostly improve as this team is already where it will be for next season...
8:41, great recap., but please tell us why the FCV parents were sucky, since we can all relate to that, what did they say to irritate you? I am just curious, and I need a good laugh.Cheers!
If I were in the Wildcats' shoes, I'm not sure I'd care too much about where the team will be moving forward. Those kids have gathered together for a nice run over the last few years and they'll get to look back on it some day and swap stories about how they won states and some tournaments. Maybe that run will continue. Maybe it won't. Not sure I'd care if I was a Wildcat parent.My kid plays for a pre-ECNL team. And they're a good team. But they're good because they've pretty much taken the best players from about four town teams. They weren't developed at the ECNL club. The ECNL teams will pass Wildcats by, but it's because of their recruiting advantage.
The FCV parents sucked because they moaned and groaned about every call. Even when the calls went their way. And they had two of those moms with voices that just grate on your ears. The team is good enough that the parents should just act like they've been there before. It was like being at a U6 rec-league game with a bunch of first time parents.
@8:41am. BRYC's B team plays WAGS. The A team plays CCL and won the Colonial League last year.
@6:46PM Boca a win with guests that are better than anyone on your team, that play almost the whole game is not anything to brag about. You shouldn't draw so much attention to yourself. jussayin'
9:06 Thanks.You are right that wildcat team is only team in their club playing at this elite level and is hanging even with teams from big clubs that have elite teams at every age group and get their pick of hundreds at tryouts while this wildcats team has had to scramble to roster 14 or 15 each year. There are players on wildcats who would never get a 2nd look at tryouts by nj ecnl clubs but have become competitive at this level through hard work, determination and perseverance. Our girls have gained great confidence in themselves during the teams rise and regardless of how long this ride among the very best teams lasts they will have as you say a State Title and their other accomplishments and great memories of what they did TOGETHER as a TEAM against all odds and all the doubters and haters who said they couldn't do it and would never be considered among the top teams.
9:06- Can you support the "Wildcats nice run" with some examples please?This team is always a lightning rod on this site but I can't find real soccer accomplishments. I think they won their first U13 tournament game this weekend?
Thanks 9:10, that really is too bad. For better, or for worse, a team is judged not only by the players, but by the parents, which is completely unfair to the girls, but such is life.Being a winner means being classy, if you’re not, then all the championships in the world cannot buy you the one thing that everyone secretly craves, respect.
8:05 - PAGS teams did show well this weekend and even win but they did it all at lower divisions. The 2 highest ranked teams didnt get 1 win.Then the league champion cant even win the 3rd flight? What? The team that won the 3rd flight was 500 in PAGS 1. Then YMS wins the 4th flight! They beat some poor teams down there. They beat an NPL team with 2 wins and an Pre ECNL team wiht 1 in their respective leagues. the toughest team the played was Pipeline.(who is not that good)Penn Fusion didnt do well in the top Div either(no wins).I know they are not a PAGS team but a PAE team. So for PAE teams to get credit they need to step up and beat some top teams. Where was Penn Legacy?
Does it really matter what parents say on the sidelines of games? Does anyone ever hear a parent put down or berate a player on another team? If parents on other teams want to coach their kids from the sidelines, I say go for it. What that means is the kid is not paying attention to the coach or the game because all they hear is their annoying parent. I tell my kid not to listen to fans on the sidelines but she hears them. She always tells me things they say. I tell her not to listen.
and I'm sure that the MF Pre-ECNl parents just can't wait for the NJX parents to join them...."Anonymous said... MF npl lost to NEFC 0-1 who won flight. Your point is? NEFC is every bit as good as any team in other flight. They are undefeated in ne npl and this league is a full year. Unlike other point grabbing bush leagues. Plus, this team gets to merge with pre ecnl team. End of the road for you though. So keep trying to knock. You are done..... peaking at u13.... ouch. It obviously is bothering you since you feel the need to bash others to make yourself feel better as usual. Not one other team has today. Again, as usual you lead in the DB/white trash category..... one category you will always be #1 in. Can you get GS points for that? Lol. November 16, 2014 at 7:09 PM
Wildcats only undefeated team through 3 seasons of EDP Central play.17 wins0 losses6 tiesSome very good wins in there as Central was toughest league in northeast last fall and spring and still has some very tough teams this season(Calvert, wildcats, Hartford, STA)
10:55 That would be considered a nice run combined with sate cup win and 500( 1 win 1 loss 4 ties (3 Goals 3GA) record vs 6 pre-ecnl teams at WAGS Cup and Bethesda top flights this fall.
Who are you comparing the PAE teams to? NJ? That came out pretty even. Er, exactly even: W-D-L of 1-3-1; GF 3, GA 3.NJ vs PAE at BethesdaPenn Fusion 0 Wildcats 0Match Fit NPL 0 1776 0Rage Athletica 2 NJCSA 0PA Classics 1 NJ Crush 1Match Fit Black 2 Continental NPL 0
Going back past the fall season is meaningless at this point. As is pointed out on numerous occassions, teams are much different each season as their is a lot of player movement. You can only brag on what your team has accomplished so far this fall. It appears some teams have gotten better, some have stayed the same and some have taken a step backword. Thoughts?
7:09pm and 11:11AM -MF NPL now resorting to racial slurs(white trash) while claiming the high ground.
You beat Calvert you win EDP central. How is that close to the other leagues? These other programs are playing several tough games in their leagues. You can say recruiting all you want but that is the next step. I think that is all people are saying. If you would want to be with a "program" wouldn't you want to be able to get to the next level next season?
It depends what you mean by "matter", 11:08. I hope it does not matter to my daughter's performance on the field. But it does matter to the spectators. The loud angry sideline parent who shouts the whole game sucks. The parent who blows an air horn after their team scores sucks. The parent who encourages retaliation after a foul sucks. The parent who uses "someone's gonna get hurt out there" as a threat sucks.
11:21 - I think there was some sarcasm in 11:11's post and was essentially making the same point as you.
Everything on this board is a reaction to a Wildcat attack. That is the issue. Stop bashing and attacking and all will be well...... All post strings start with a Wildcat attack on a team and then the reaction is basically consistent from all teams. Which means you are what you are.....
We will continue to work with what we have as long as they want to stay and develop our players.We have never cut a player from our team. We never will.To each his own.
11:26- I like that post. About your own club. Usually it is that post with an attack. All good all day to hear you want to keep developing with what you have. And good luck with that as it has worked so far.
11:25 no your post was the only one to use a racist comment(DB/white trash), sarcasm or not.Please don't try and spin it as all the same.Sarcasm and jokes are fine, but racist and personally demeaning comments and name calling of individuals have no place on the blog.It's supposed to be all in fun after all.
"@8:41am. BRYC's B team plays WAGS. The A team plays CCL and won the Colonial League last year. "Are you saying that BRYC's B team was in the top flight at the WAGS Columbus Day tournament?
Perhaps someone with a better understanding of the GotSoccer point system can confirm this, but won't Wildcats get points for being a semi-finalist - even though there wasn't a true semi-finals - and with those points move up to 1st or 2nd in the nation? That would be an interesting result as they were probably only the 4th or 5th best team at Bethesda.
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