How about if wildcats promise not to slide tackle or head the ball?
As usual so focused on the present. What is next step? It is coming. It happens at U14 every year in girls soccer.
Your girls are too rough, Waa, Waa, Waa.Good luck with that in college.
Having just seen them this weekend, Wildcats are not as physical as MF NPL or PDA South.And MF NPL and PDA South are not nearly as physical as PWSI, Penn Legacy, or PA Classics.None of the pre-ECNL teams are particularly physical. Maybe World Class and Penn Fusion are the most physical.You can try to smear them all you like, but it just isn't true that the Wildcats are overly physical.--PA Guy
Match Fit ECNL - PHYSICAL, yes.
Leave the Wildcats alone. They are doing what they need to do in order to compete with the ECNL teams. They won't play the high level teams in EDP or where ever they play during league games so they have to rely on tournaments and lots of them. That is why they play 50 games per year and that is how they will get Got Soccer points. The PDA and MF B teams will not go this length to play the top teams. NJX is finding this out now. They used to play 50 games a year and play all of the top tournaments(and get lots of GS points) but not anymore since they joined MF. So you can knock Wildcats but they are doing the only thing they could do to stay relevant at the highest level. At least give them that credit
We too played the cats this fall and loved it! Big, physical, yep but not dirty. You crybabies better toughen your daughters up fast! Soccer is a contact sport. Its only going to get more physical. Learn to give it back or take up ballet.
I think it actually gets LESS physical as players get olderAs players learn to move less awkwardly within their gameplay, when to pull up, when to go in.Doesnt make it any less intense.
Should add: when to CONTAIN a player rather than go in immediately on a tackle.
Match Fit ECNL - very physical team.No one from MF ECNL and Wildcats are going after each other.Only people starting this is NPL team. NPL and Wildcats do not get along personally.Has the Wildcats even play MF ECNL before?
MF pre-ECNL did not strike me as overly physical when I saw them. Tough? Sure. I think all of the teams discussed on this board have tough players. But I think World Class pre-ECNL is much more physical than MF pre-ECNL. Maybe compared to the other pre-ECNL teams MF is considered very physical.
Yes, and a lot of good all the physical play has done for World Class, not. It's not about being tough, it's about being disciplined, and smart.
No MF Pre-ECNL and wildcats have not played.I would agree both those teams respect each other.Yes, there seems to be bad blood from mf npl towards both wildcats and mf pre-ecnl and agree they are the parents behind most of the attacks on both of those teams..They used to be far ahead of wildcats and they are all from same area so naturally they resent wildcats recent rise and higher ranking.They also have an understandable resentment towards MF pre-ecnl as they are now B Team in their own club.Must be hard to swallow for a team that was recently considered among the very best in region and is now playing in ECNL Clubs B League and B Flights of top tournaments.
2:52 you must not have attended any high level D1 college games then.Not for the faint of heart and much of the banging is not called as closely as in club.Just look at the bodies of the players on Rutgers or other players at the programs in the major conferences .They are beasts and they lift like crazy to get bigger and stronger to take the pounding at that level.
3:38I know it may have taken you a while to be able to take some potshots at World Class, but lets not be unfair - this team has been quite unlucky with personnel of late.
For the record again. Another Wildcat attack prompting a response. Not a problem at MF as it is a process. What must kill you more is you have NEVER beaten them.... Do you really think there was that much of a difference between those flights? There wasn't. We play other ECNL teams in friendlies all the time and perform just fine. Drop the bashing. You are just as good as many but not better until you knock them down. And even then, not much matters at U13. The question is, have you chosen the right path to development for your daughter? Nobody has that answer and nobody will until later on..... I will take my chances with my proven academy.
How quickly they forgetSpring 2014 EDP champs - in a league with Natch Fit and East Meadow and CFC and Crush and NYSCChin up, World Class
"I will take my chances with my proven academy"Nobody is saying you shouldntYou can do so without commenting on other clubs in a negative manner
No one from the NPL team at MF cares about the Wildcats or the Pre-ECNL. Hate to burst your bubble. Do you really think we can't turn in our gear and say thank you but we are going in a different direction to MF? You are absolutely insane if you think we can't. We can move at the snap of a finger. And we just may! Most parents do not care about this ECNL or npl stuff. We just want to see our kids compete at the highest level possible and have fun. I have personally never heard anyone comment on the Wildcats or pre-ECNL team in a negative way. Please stop trying to cause trouble with us. We play who is in front of us and our girls give it their best. Hope your daughters do the same.
No. You cannot just move.It has to be a near unanimous vote to do soPlus you need to have somewhere (with a trainder and FIELDS) to move on to.It is an option to scatter, surely.
Yes. Everyone has the right to move and can move. What do you think this is, JAIL? These Soccer people do not run our lives. Remember that. So what of you lose 1 or 2 players. You have no idea.
4:03You think club games are called "closely"?Wow.Such awkward movement that referees are often at a loss on whether or not it is a foul. Thus they often let a clear obstruction or a clip at the heel from behind or a blow after the ball is gone just GO, without whistle. It's downright dangerous at times in its carelessness.Had one referee this weekend that called it proper - and the parents were all up in arms......"what was THAT call?"....since they are so accustomed to not hearing whistles on so much of the foul play.
I think that what most parents consider as "foul play" is not actually fouls at all. They start screaming anytime a girl goes down, even if the kid tripped on her own feet.
4:03.The ball movement of many D1 schools is fantastic.Can your team do the same.Yes college is physical but they move the ball very well and the technical skills are on display for everyone to see.Highschool soccer is by nature very direct and physical with little ball movement and technical skill.I think this is a more appropriate example.
Pa Guy- Pa Classics is physical? Have you ever actually seen them? Most are under 5ft and under 100 lbs. They may have 3 at most that are somewhat physical. Lucky for them they didn't play a team like YMS this season. They would'nt have stood a chance just based on the size difference alone.
6:24 hasn't watched much college soccer either I guess.If you can get recruited to UVA or Stanford, or a few others, than you will be playing with a team with "fantastic ball movement".Most of the schools, including all time best womens program UNC play very direct and get the ball forward as quickly as possible and then press you in your own end.
7:08Are you sure you don't have them confused with 1776?Most of classics girls are indeed over 5 ft and muscular.
Actually Id compare 1776 to Classics as far as size. Again, with the exception of about 3 maybe 4 players, Classics is a small team and not very physical. 1776 who also mainly consists of small players is definately the more aggressive of the two.
7:53Huh, Maybe they grew a lot since you played them. Daughters team played them just a few weeks ago and my first thought while watching them warm up was how tall they were. Defiantly not comparable to 1776. But yes 1776 is much more physical. I'm sure next time we see 1776 in the spring they'll all be 3-5" taller too. It's that age.
What happened to PF? They went from winning everything to never winning. They seem to tie a lot which isn't necessarily bad but sure are struggling to get those W's! Did they add too many weak players?
7:43Funny you should mention UNC. I have heard Anson talk about how he likes those "tough girls" who will knock you around. BTW, there is 1 Jersey girl currently playing on that squad. Anyone want to guess what club she played for?
7:43You should go watch the Rutgers team play sometime. They are right in your back yard.The coach of that team is extremely technical and demands the team to play out from the back and play the ball up the field in quick short passing sequences. You will triangles of support up and down the field.They play a 4-3-3 attacking style. very rarely will you see a ball over the top unless it diagonal pass right to the feet of their left or right forward.I agree with the previous poster. your example of how the girls play are more akin to high school then college
8:23.I would not be comparing u13 soccer to any D! program.Besides its tough and extremely technical not just tough-No?
rutgers does knock it around very well.Those that do are the exception on the college womens side though.From your comments it seems you learned your soccer from the mens side but it doesn't translate very well to the womens college game.first of all most high level mens soccer teams whether top D1 programs or the European League teams or even the national teams play variations of the 4-5-1/4-2-3-1, they only have 1 forward in your defensive end to pressure your 4 backs so of course you have time and space to knock it around freely.they are more concerned with getting numbers back behind the ball and not getting strung out on Defense as on the men side that will get you punished as it is very hard to disposess those players and they can play 40 or 50 yard driven balls and counter quickly and accurately if you push numbers up to press them in their own end.On the womens side the skill level is much lower and long ball service along with defensive heading is very poor compared to the mens game.therefore most womens college teams play 3 forwards and press you high in your own end.With the many poor clearances and poor defensive headers/clearances 3 forwards up high means you have players nearby ready to pounce on those mistakes and create quick counterattacking opportunities and cheap goals.That is why the best teams on the womens side often win by lopsided scores of 5 or 6 nil unless they are playing one of the other top 15 or so programs. You don't see that nearly as often on the mens side in conference play among the big schools.There are a lot more fast athletic girls out there then there are highly skilled girls so all but the best programs who have their pick of recruits from the youth national teams find it easier to compete by recruiting speedy, athlectic girls and playing high pressure and try to limit the chances of making mistakes themselves in their own end by not playing around too much in their own back end.
PF is still a very good team and will be great again. Scoring has been an issue since they played Legacy and their best player went down (it seems a few girls have gone down when playing Legacy). I think you'll see them back to normal in the springtime. I also think that Legacy will have a hard time holding onto some of their top player if club doesn't change its view on where to play. They are extremely fast and physical, yet get to play very few good teams. Rage is the team on the rise boys and girls.
First, sorry but I must correct your ignorance. Watched the PF/Legacy game. The PF player injured her knee as a result of turning awkwardly. It was not the fault of any Legacy player. Second, only one player can score for PF? That's either a shame or again your opinion is inaccurate.
WowWhy not just come out and say Penn Legacy is a chippy team?
To blame a 12/13 year old for causing an injury that disrupts a team's season? Come on! Deserves a defense, especially when pure ignorance is involved. It was witnessed and was clearly no ones fault. Shame on you.
9:37Why bring up Legacy unless you think that post at 8:09 was one of our parents. I hope not. From the rest of the post it sounds like a rage parent who's daughter didn't make your team trying to cause trouble. But even so you can't go insinuating our players are injuring yours or others due to the way they play. 10:08 is right, I was standing right there, little or no contact. The girl planted her foot, turned awkwardly and went down. No foul, and our girls kicked the ball out of bounds as soon as they realized she didn't get up. You should know there are girls on Legacy that play with her elsewhere, who, along with their parents were genuinely concerned for her. I hope she has made a full recovery, I hear she is not only a great player but also just a great kid. If there's going to be a rivalry between these 2 teams, so be it, but let's keep it on a soccer field, between our daughters, not on a blog site. d
What's wrong with asking what happened to PF? Why does someone have to be a raged parent? They are struggling and the question was simply why? Calm down folks. As for the person bringing up one specific incident as to why, that's nonsense, so just ignore!
"Rage" as in the club they mentioned, not raged(adj).
It's a battle of the keystone cops! Hahaha
The club on the rise is Rage? I somehow doubt that.
Rage, could be the first u13 National champion. They at the Super Y Finals in Florida in 2 weeks.Can't say nothing bad about the team. They play Jefferson, WAGS and Bethesda in flights they are placed. They play PAGS and Super Y. Nothing wrong with this team/club. Similar level of play to most teams.
Players from MF NPL and MF Black will be on the move to other clubs when they find out the mess that will be heading their way.I know I'm getting out
Oh, you mean the Super-WHY? league, yes, I see, enjoy the warm weather, and keep dreaming those delusions of grandeur while you knock-bakc those pinacoladas, yum!
And where are you going 8:32, Boca or Crush?
If you are getting out that means your daughter probably should not have been there in the first place. You would not leave if you were going to be on either the ecnl or ne npl team next year..... There will be a fair amount of fall out after these teams are determined. Hopefully the next club is a better fit.
The way things are going, MF Black may be the NE NPL team next season. Players on the NPL team has an option to go back to NJX. Most of the teams out there do not have something to fall back on. The 1-2 players who care about ECNL can try their luck with PDA or MF ECNL and see how far they can get but for the rest, I hear they do not care.
8:42That is a very interesting post.However, I like the exception rather than the rule. As a matter of fact, the powers that be are trying desperately to change the culture of women's soccer.All agree that it starts with the young girl at 7 and 8 years old. Does the trainer promote the old way or do they try to teach the young ladies the value of ball skills, passing, IQ and such. Do they demand their players to find away through feet passing, movement off the ball, and yes toughness to bring the ball up the field. can we take one of those big fast tough players and make her extremely technical with quick thought Or does her soccer education end with "step to ball" tackle hard- get the ball forward.I would like my daughter to be able to be trained in al the facets of the game and I would like her team to play it in a style that shows toughness and great technical skill.I will not pay a coach or trainer for anything less.I have seen that script before and it is limited.
8:33I thought the whole object of U-13 soccer was to play at national events no matter how strong the competition is or isnt. Team bonding and all that. Why criticize Rage for doing just that?
8:32Goodbye and best of luck to your daughter. Their really is not a need to come on here telling your business if you have to stay anonymous saying it.
8:52, relax, just busting chops, good luck to you guys!
"What happened to PF? They went from winning everything to never winning. They seem to tie a lot which isn't necessarily bad but sure are struggling to get those W's! Did they add too many weak players?"Well finishing in the middle of that ridiculous pre-ECNL league is certainly an acomplishment, so I assume you are looking at their GotSoccer page, which has a lot more black and red on it than in the past. No issues that I can see. I don't see any players I'd classify as weak. Indeed, after six months of practice at a high level, I think the new players have largely caught up to the old players.They're just not putting the ball in the net as much lately. Chances are there as always, but they need to put more shots on frame...too many shanked shots and "field goals". They'll figure it out. This team just needs to learn to "show up" consistently for every game. There are no easy games any more.
8:46 of course and no one said otherwise. we ALL strive to get to the highest level of skill we can attain for our girls.Just making the point that if you think womens college D1 soccer is every team playing the beautiful game and building out of the back you are ignorant of what the game is at that level.
I'm going to defend Continental FC 01 U13 Pre-ECNL or at least make an attempt since we've been talking lot's of PA soccer recently.CFC Delco played 8v8 last year in PAGS D2 with a W4, T2, L3.So this team had to add players just to play 11v11.You take a PAGS D2 team that neverplayed 11v11 before and throw them into the fire.As expected we have the below scores:0-3 Match Fit Academy 01 U13 Pre-ECNL0-4 East Meadow SC 01 U13 Pre-ECNL0-4 FC Stars of Mass 01 U13 Pre-ECNL0-4 Penn Fusion SA 01 U13 Pre-ECNL0-5 Boston Breakers Academy 01 U13 Pre-ECNL0-5 PDA 01 U13 Pre-ECNL I can't kill them for this, but besides the 5-0 scores(which could have been even more) not to bad when you look at the other teams. They did better in their other games and were in every game just by the scorelines.2-1 FSA FC 01 U13 Pre-ECNL0-1 World Class FC 01 U13 Pre-ECNL0-1 Albertson SC 01 U13 Pre-ECNL1-2 FC Bucks 01 U13 Pre-ECNL0-2 Connecticut FC 01 U13 Pre-ECNLSo when I read posts concentrating on their huge goal differential. What did you expectfrom a PAGS D2 team going against some of the region's top teams. I can tell you this - the team had to play every game at a fast pace and doing this 11 more times in the Springcan only help.Below is theoir GS history for this Year.Bethesda Tournament-Girls1-0 FC STARS OF MASS NPL (MA)0-1 YMS BANSHEES (PAE)0-0 BEACH FC 01G RED (VA)WAGS Tournament 1-1 MERCER FC SPURS (NJ)1-0 HBC BARRACUDAS (NYE)0-3 KINGS HAMMER ACADEMY RED (KY)Spirit United Kickoff Classic0-4 RAGE SC '01 ATHLETICA (PAE)4-1 OSHAWA KICKS SC RENEGADES (CND)0-1 PA CLASSICS ACADEMY 01 (PAE)I am a fan not a parent - keep it up CFC Delco.
One More thingAug-SeptGP10, W1, T0, L9, GF5, GA29, GD-24Oct-NovGP10, W3, T2, L5, GF5, GA15, GD-10You can see an improvement the more they play.
12:17Not ignorant at all -Just appreciate "Joga Bonito."Its part of my culture.We must never justify a particular training style to fit what is wrong with college soccer.Especially at this age, we must strive for technical perfection. No short cuts. Nothing that attempts to win the game now without going through the proper process. Something that is lost on many youth coaches, as they realize, wins brings customers and ignorance is business.I don't blame the business model. I have been part of it in the past. If you would like to see whats right with girls college soccer-please tune into the University of Virginia game this friday.Another exception to the girls college game from your point of view.
NJ top 15 (excluding Rage) with number of events:13 NJ WILDCATS AVERBUCH12 STA MORRIS UNITED NPL 019 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY AJAX6 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY STORM14 NJCSA GALAXY7 MATCH FIT ACADEMY FC NORTH EAST NPL10 TSF ACADEMY 01/02G10 ATLANTIC UNITED ACADEMY - AVALANCHE5 PDA DRAGONS12 SDFC SAMBA8 NJCSA ELITE6 MATCH FIT ACADEMY FC ECNL10 NJ CRUSH FC TSUNAMI12 FC COPA ACADEMY LIMA NPL6 MEDFORD SC HURRICANESSo if we took an average to remove the accumulation elementbelow is your GS NJ top 10 2840 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY STORM2185 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY AJAX2050 NJ WILDCATS AVERBUCH1759 MATCH FIT ACADEMY FC NORTH EAST NPL1745 STA MORRIS UNITED NPL 011516 PDA DRAGONS1165 NJCSA GALAXY1155 MATCH FIT ACADEMY FC ECNL1059 MEDFORD SC HURRICANES1047 TSF ACADEMY 01/02Gwe still need to have November events and 2013 eDP FALL to fall off and League awards posted from other Leagues so this will change again.
Yes, and I agree and as you say I mentioned UVA and Stanford as college teams that do play the beautiful game.but those 2 schools have not only the highest level of soccer programs and traditions but combine that with the highest level of Academic Programs Traditions, so of course they have their pick of the most gifted, skilled, tactically astute, dedicated and athletic soccer players when it is time to recruit.They both have top 5 recruiting classes EVERY YEAR.there are not nearly enough females of that level of skill and quality coming out of high school every year for the majority of the 300 plus Division 1 Programs to play with that level of skill and tactical awareness and precision.What you are touting is a dream, not a reality for most D1 Programs and their coaches."Jogo Bonito" only exists at a very few places on the men's side, and is much , much rarer on the womens side.
1:12 Because of posts like this. If it's not GS points it's wins. Teams will sacrifice learning to play the game for immediate gratification.Sorry for the spelling and typing errorsBelow are PA and NYE top 10's AVG points and the number events following the team name.PA 2039 PENN LEGACY FC 01 BLACK 101888 RAGE SC '01 ATHLETICA 81659 PENN FUSION SA '01G PRE-ECNL 71348 HMMS EAGLE FC 01 SPIRIT 91320 UKRAINIAN NATIONALS BLASTERS BLACK 61184 YMS BANSHEES 111176 FC REVOLUTION FORCE 91169 PA CLASSICS ACADEMY 01 101054 LVU 01 GIRLS 8915 1776 UNITED FC XTREMES 9 NYE 3217 WORLD CLASS FC '01 CHARLTON 72903 EAST MEADOW HOTSHOTZ 72345 ATLETICO FC GIRLS '01 62202 ALBERTSON FURY '01 PRE-ECNL 52069 SACHEM SPEED 41587 ISA 01 NPL 71328 NEW YORK SC G01 81246 MASSAPEQUA LIL' ROWDIES 6965 SABA BROOKLYN CITY 8878 LAGRANGE RAGE 8
Then call me a dreamer. I will be in good company!
Below are the final 16UCLAHarvardIllinois State4 Pepperdine3 KentuckyArizona StateRutgers2 Virginia1 Florida StateNortheasternUCF4 Wisconsin3 South CarolinaSeattleColorado2 North Carolina
12:31 - an improvement? Yes because they only play 4 league games in Oct-Nov time frame. CFC played much lesser teams in tourneys. You have them losing to 3 PAG 1 teams, who also had to go to 11v11 this yr. Just like every PA team this yr. The played in the the 4th tier at Bethesda(1w), played in the 3rd tier at WAGS(1w)and at the Spirit (their own tourney) in the 2nd tier(1w)So I think once they get back to league play in the spring the results will be the same.Sorry
1:33 They lost to the PAGS D1 Regular Season Champions 1-0 and to YMS 1-0 another PAGS D1 Post season team.1-0 could have gone either way, keep in mind this is a middle of the road PAGS D2 team last year. So Improvement - YES
As I said this was a PAGS D2 team playing against these powerhouse teams. What do you expect? They won't win a game but let's see if the GD gets better 0-25 in 6 games.Match Fit Academy 01 U13 Pre-ECNLEast Meadow SC 01 U13 Pre-ECNLFC Stars of Mass 01 U13 Pre-ECNLPenn Fusion SA 01 U13 Pre-ECNLBoston Breakers Academy 01 U13 Pre-ECNLPDA 01 U13 Pre-ECNL
You guys may have too much time on your hands.BTW, Sometimes the winning comes BECAUSE of the development not instead of it. This is year 5 for most. If you really want to know who's playing the best soccer right now - this fall(at least by the standards you are using), then go solely by the fall, August 1st till present. Games played a year ago are meaningless now as many of these teams have either added or replaced a third of their rosters after spring. I think you will get a much different list(but it too will be just as meaningless), but it still might be fun to see the difference.
Sorry to interruptPart of learning in sports is attaining the will to compete, the drive for as result.Some players will dribble and pass circles around the masses but wilt like a daisy when the chips are on the line.Just the way it is. All teams need a mix of the beautiful and the incessantly determined. The names of "I will not let us lose this game" types litter our womens national team, present and past, make no mistake...And some teams you disparage here certainly show some of this. While some ECNL rosters could use more of it.Mental portion of the game involved COMPETING, not just team bonding ("Pass the ball!") and unselfishness.Which players have that EXTRA something when down a goal - or when protecting a slim lead? The "beauty" of soccer can quite often take a back seat at these times.
1:50 that is a great post!your points are lost on some who really never played or coached at that level and are just repeating what their club tells them about what is important to make it at the D1 and higher Levels of Womens Soccer.A little knowledge is a dangerous thing in most soccer parents.they quickly become Echoes, oops I meant Experts, LOL.
1:50, words of wisdom Lloyd, words-of-wisdom.
1;50You make it sound like the technically proficient player and the "will to win" player are mutually exclusive qualities. You make it sound like being tough and not having technical skills is some sort of badge of honor.There are quite a few players at this age group that have both and more players that only have one or the other.You seem to make excuses for the players that do not have both.I think you will agree that the players that have only one or the other are inferior to the player that has booth.I have seen this many times before- programs that promote one over the other and put down those programs that are on the opposite end of their spectrum.Give me a program that values both. This is the program for my kids.If my kid follows the coaches lessons, and she is talented, she will be able to play in any system .
FC Copa needs to come out of top 15 after showing this weekend at Maps tourney, sorry guys, way to go to get back up.
2:32, you are out if your mind if you think there are many of those types of players, there may be 1 or 2 per team, if that.
How about a coach who continues to play a player who can not dribble or shoot or has no idea what is going on during the game? And plays 90% of the game and nothing is ever explained or what is expected. How's that for $2500. Or a player that dribbles the ball all the way down the field and kicks the ball out of bounds again and again and again. Like instant replay and nothing is corrected. Great investment for professional training? Then the coach has the balls to say that was the worst soccer he has ever seen. Guess what club?
I give up, what club??
3:14 Is it MatchFit?
No!!!!! It couldn't be match fit? Has to be some other club
2:32Isnt the opposite true?Dont the almighty footskilled ECNL folk pain the non ECNL as "technically challenged"?
Spill it 3:14
Wildcats don't have a player who dribbles the ball all the time and kicks it out of bounds..No ball hogs on wildcats team.They are not talking about wildcats.
I have not seen that type of player on any of the top 7 teams in NJ.
believe they are knocking ex igfa girl now on MF.Player has a rep for not passing ball.
I will defend player mentioned, I seen her play recently. looked to be a team player. Moved ball around
3:14, you are an idiot to bring up an individual player, especially in a negative context. What’s wrong with you? Have seen her only once, and she looked like a great player to me, hard to believe its her that you are referencing. Please rise above the rhetoric, and take a deep breath, enjoy your time together.NYE GUY
Shame on you trying to signal out a player. You want to signal a club out then go ahead but not a player. On the top teams in the region I have not seen of such a player.
Ease up on 3:14. He/she didn't identify any player or club. Sounds like someone venting frustration because they are paying for an elite club team, but it's more like a pay to play scenario. It was others speculating about the player and club. I can tell you that the mentioned player and team does not fit 3:14's description at all.
My updated top 10 based on very recent performances...1. PDA Galaxy2. PDA Storm3. MF pre ECNL4. Wildcats5. PDA North6. MF NPL7. STA8. PDA South9. Crush10. TSF
What, no Boca???
1:24pm-you are incorrect as there are still 32 teams in womens college cup-2nd round play is not until this friday nov 21
Florida - Dec 5 - 9, 2014Super Y League 2014 FinalsGroup AGold Soccer Academy Grand Rapids Crew JuniorsPatriot FC Annandale United Majestics FC Group BNorthern Virginia MajesticsRage SCOrlando City SC -DDYSC Wolves Group C Atlanta Fire UnitedWAZA FC East VA Alliance Long Island Rough Riders
12:44ahhhhI see what you did thereI have heard Galaxy (U12 team) are terrific.
I think PDA Gunners should go ahead of Galaxy
Breaking news: Wildcats are #1 in te nation. Just got the email.
Thank god. Finally someone got it right. Justice has been served. Now the Cats are no longer the hunter and have become the hunted.
Will the sideline now be filled with the big foam fingers: Number 1. I hope they don't block the view of the games.
Tell ya what -beat them - or shut up.
Wildcats #1 - based on Gotsoccer point system used to bracket teams more accurately for tournaments which is great for this age and next as teams get older it changes TopDrawerSoccer one of the best recruiting sites online has a ranking system as well and they have 'So Blues Cal - Baker' as #1& 'PDA - PreECNL #3.So which one do you think will be more useful eventually?http://www.topdrawersoccer.com/club-soccer/club-soccer-team-rankings/women/u13/1/452
Well, the win over Cats by AJAX should now be seen in somewhat greater light.
Foam-fingers, haha, that’s funny.Where can we order those from, and does it have to be the index finger?
I think you can get them with any finger you choose.
11:03 first the ecnl snobs want to shut competition out of their league, now they want their own rankings service that only consider ecnl teams.NO problem. You guys can go on your TopDrawer site and look at your exclusive ecnl rankings.Just don't expect those subjective rankings to interest everyone else.GotSoccer Ranking are fun because everyone knows the rules going in and you have to put your team on the line and win and advance to earn the points. There is no I'll scratch your back if you scratch mine phone calls.And there is no "my team would have won but we didn't want to enter".No thanks.
59.3% winning percentage and #1 in the country? Yeah, that seams about right. No smoke and mirrors there....
Admins may want to delete some posts. We're approaching 5000 and I feel a war of words coming on quickly.
11:47am - Not a ECNL snob just sharing information based on what we will be seeing in the future. What rules I here Teams bring in 3-4 guess players in to stack there teams come spring and summer to gain points how is that a true team. Yeah rules with a lot of loopholes. LOL12:06pm - Your exactly right 59.3%doesn't seems like smoke, mirrors and next month when they lose their points from last year so Wildcats can come back on this blog next month and brag they are top 5. lol
Either way they can say they did it even if for a short time
Come on now. You have to laugh at the GS point system. Certain leagues constantly "donate" GS points to all to make sure that teams who want those points play in their league. Really does not mean much anymore. Now show the match ups, head to heads and all and that actually gives people the full picture.
still a cool accomplishmentCongrats Wildcats
Since they were mentioned earlier let's provide a side by side comparisonNJ Wildcats (GS #1) - Entered 10 ranked tournament in last year+, champions in 2, finalist in 1. Also receiving points for EDP Fall 2013, EDP Spring 2014, and EDP Fall 2014. 59.3% winning percentage.So Cal Blues - Baker (GS #15/TD #1) - Entered only 4 ranked tournaments in last year+, champions in all of them. No points for any league play. 91.7% winning percentage.But you know, that TopDrawer ranking is flawed because it's for ECNL teams.
1:09pm Great statistics, I applaud your research. Just shows GS rankings are great to accurately place teams in tournament and league play brackets appropriately but when the true picture like you have shown us comes out I would say there are many more teams better than NJ Wildcats or nay NJ team.Wildcats enjoy the moment in the spotlight things change month to month and year to year.
So Cal Blues - Baker - Played 12 Games on Gotsoccer. #3 on CAS on gotsoccer. Wildcats - Played 54 games on gotsoccer. Keep chasing the points. Could you imagine how many gotsoccer points So Cal Blues would have if they played 54 gotsoccer games and in a league that awarded points.
PDA Pre ECNL played a whooping 26 gotsoccer games. If they played 54 you might be able to double their gotsoccer points.
Smoke screen is clearing up......
I see smog or smoke rising up, clearing the path pretty well. As for the blogger who posted TopDrawer Rankings - Thanks for starting up this convo. and additional information.
still an awesome accomplishmentCongrats Wildcats
I think we should all put it aside for once and just say congrats to the girls on that team.No matter what we think, they worked hard and should enjoy what they have done.Nothing is forever, we all know that. Let the girls enjoy it.
The issue I see with this ranking is that it MAY be posted by the club for marketing purposes to bring in uneducated parents to the club. It could be used as a reason why you should join this club. Those who understand GS rankings understand the value but others may think its the gospel and choose a club just because of their GS ranking.
Every club promotes, your point?
@1:52, I'm one of the guy who posted the side by side comparison showing the smoke and mirrors behind the rankings, and even I think what you just wrote is one of the dumbest things I've ever read.
It's all about gs points for the cats as their clubs website is bragging about them being #1. What a joke. How can you really brag about something like this and you can't even win a top tournament. Lmao.
why are you on their website??
1:58 that is stalker talk
1:58 I see it got you stalking their site. All clubs promote their accomplishments.No one is saying it means they are the best team in the country by any means.but they did enter the events and they did earn the points.Wildcats didn't make the rules or influence gotsoccer rankings.
Maybe he was looking at taking his daughter to the #1 u13 team in the nation and wanted to get some info.
I'm just curious about what club you are from 1:58 that you speak of top tournaments? I'm looking around for my daughter. What top tournaments have your daughter's club won? Maybe my daugher will try out for your team?
Go on any club website and you will see the team picture and accomplishments of their top teams given exposure.right now they are I believe the only NJ team in any age group, boys or girls to have earned a current ranking of #1 in USA on Gotsoccer rankings.
I'd like to SEE the So Cal vs Wildcats gameDo they play anyone of similar style to Wildcats? Or just the "pass it around" Beautiful Game type?So.....for now the losses we talk about for Wildcats are to AJAX 4 months ago and last weekend to FC Virginia.Let's see what the next one is.....And lets see all teams at State Cup in spring, eh?
And that is why GS has ZERO credibility. 15,000 plus points for beating one team. STA. You have proved the point that GS is for the second tier teams. The others do not need it. Enjoy your moment but please do not try to rationalize where the "points" come from and let's please move on.
I have to admit it's fun to see the 2 or 3 wildcats stalkers and haters squirming now.They have spent the last year relentlessly trying to bury this team and Widlcats have just kept working and playing the best tournaments and leagues they could enter.Job well done by that team to rise above all the negativity thrown their way on this site.
I'm having a hard time finding any major tournament won by any NJ team this fall. If thats the standard, you all stink.
2:16 good point.It's the full body of work over time after all.You can't pick and choose individual games to evaluate a team. Overall record vs elite teams played over course of a year is only true test of any team.
List where the point came from and all will go away.... You got ZERO points from the top tournaments. ALL your points came from your league that promotes GS points. Very simple. Called the truth. Funny how you never list where the points came from..... Wa Wa parent- But Mr. college coach, we were #1 in GS points at U13.
TSF U13 boys are #1 in the country, by the way
The points cats earned last week for 3rd overall in Bethesda top flight of 8 were certainly won in a top tournament.And how is 8 wins 0 losses and 2 ties in spring EDP Central division that included wildcats, Storm, Dragons, Ajax, still strong Rage, NJ force, NJX Celtic a weak league? Those points were earned vs top teams as well.
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if you are going to throw in Top Drawer and put down GS you need to support.NJ Wildcats have played the below TD ranked teams in the last year.W1, T2, L1, GF4, GA3.TD#3 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY STORM (NJ) 2-0TD#22 FC VIRGINIA PRE-ECNL 01 (VA) 1-2TD#22 FC VIRGINIA PRE-ECNL 01 (VA) 0-0TD#24 LAKE FOREST SA LFSA GU12 SELECT (IL) 1-1We can spin things as much as we want the facts are.NJ Wildcats are #1 GS team in the CountryDid they play more tournaments than most other teams, yes also a Fact.Did they play more games for the same amount of money or less than other teams???Are they a State Champion going to Region 1 Tournament with a chance to go to USYSA Nationals, Fact.Will they win their NPL and also play in the NPL Finals?????Will they enter US CLub Spring NJ tournament and win that tournament to also play in the US CLub national Event????I'm not a parent - but there is no reason to HATE - who cares if they are pumping their chest. Why wouldn't they?
I agree, let them enjoy their moment in the sun, because we all know it can become cloudy rather quickly. NYE Guy.
Oh-Oh, its almost Futsal season, and I know so many people on this board love Futsal, right? Northeast Regionals are in February, see you there!
I also got the email announcing the #1 ranking followed shortly thereafter by a Next Level Training email noting a $10for increase per extra training session and a reminder cash only.
My daughter loves soccer. I only kinda like soccer. I love golf. So let me put it into words that make sense for me, and someone tell me where I'm wrong.YOU: You're this guy on the tour who is obviously very talented. Nobody disputes that. You play in every single tournament all season long. Week in, week out, another course in another part of the country. And nearly every single week you're finishing in the top 5. Sometimes you finish second. One time you even won, the one weekend that the other 24 golfers ranked in the world top 25 decided to sit out. You're the top money earner on tour, and after a good finish at TPC (you came in 3rd), you're the newly crowned #1 ranked golfer in the world. Congratulations. And nobody questions that you've put in a lot of work to get here.THEM: They're another golfer of insane talent. But because they're involved in other things, they've decided that they're only going to play the four majors this year. And would you look at that, they won every single major. Would you rather you or them?I can take this one step further (NJX, I'm looking in your direction).YOU: You're killing the competition because you're this big, hulking, beast of a golfer. You have this insanely violent swing that, by the grace of god, works for you. Some how or another you manage to make contact with the ball every swing and it travels a country mile. And when it's within 20 feet of the cup, you just don't miss. Yeah, your swing is taking it's toll on your back and you're likely to be gone from the tour in a few years because you just can't keep that up forever, but you're winning now.THEM: They're a late bloomer, and they can't swing quite as hard, and the ball doesn't quite reach where they were hoping to play it, but their swing is as pure as the new-fallen snow. And they've been practicing that picture perfect swing religiously, and when they fill out in a year or two, look out. They're in contention now, and 5, 10, 15 years from now, they'll still be on the tour, and they'll still be earning money, and there's a pretty good chance they may some day be the #1 ranked golfer in the world, too. And they'll hold there for years.Would you rather be you or them?Am I making any sense?
You'd be making sense if there was a New Jersey team that was "winning majors"
Let the Wildcats have there moment. I'm sure next month or two we will be bashing the next #1NJ team. I remember a team down south I think it was Rage was #1 plenty of times last year and look what happened so let them enjoy and hopefully they stay together for the next few years. Gotsoccer/Topdrawer etc. all rankings with good logical backup behind them but look at NCAA football they can't even get there rankings right. lol
East Meadow and PDA still not scheduled - and seems that game may be for all the marbles for fall.I am assuming PDA Storm wins both its games vs CT teams this weekend
Confused by the you them post. Wildcats, you play identical to old NJX team. So which one are you? The question is what do you want to be? NJX has been there and now merged into MF to improve their technical game. They have and now their best will merge with the pre ecnl best and create a true top team. Isn't that the "progress" you would want to see in your club?
EM/PDA showdown is 12/13
Funny how the same arguments about the value of GS can be found on the U-16 blogs as well. Exception is at that age the NJ ecnl teams are #1 & 2 and got soccer seams to be thought of pretty highly by them. Seems like the ecnl teams will continue to "chase points" just like everyone else for the next couple years. It's only when they aren't catching many that GS is considered worthless I guess.
4:25 The answer to your question for us is no. To us "progress" is snot "compiling players" as you call it from multiple teams to make 1 super team and too bad for the late bloomers or others who are not at this point strong enough to make the"compiled" Team.We will develop the players we have and any who come to fill open spots on our roster. None of our players will be "compiled" or cut at the end of this spring after tryouts.To each his own.
Just like they don't try after they lose to a non-ecnl team.Was MF pre-ecnl not trying last weekend at Bethesda as they finished 4th overall behind Wildcats and earned no points since they didn't place(top 3 place in 8 team bracket with no semifinals). If the points earned were so "easy" and "meaningless" why didn't MF earn any?
3:33 Not true. 3:33 is just a liar as well as a stalker.
@4:59, not a Match Fit parent, but they got screwed by not getting GS points. They finished tied in second place at 4 points with Cincinnati but beat them head-to-head (don't know how that happened) so they should have been treated as the semi-finalist.
4:59 That's the difference in a nutshell. Wildcats were ecstatic that they earned GS points with their 3rd place finish. While MF was disappointed in their results. By the Wildcats standards they had an incredibly successful tournament-they finished 2nd in their bracket and got GS points. By MF's standards they had a crappy tournament - they finished 2nd in their bracket but didn't play to their standard and they didn't win it. Different culture, different goals.
Match Fit Ecnl team would assume do not care about the points. played at Bethesda vs some good quality teams. Only purpose for attending these type of tournaments.
5:16 MF.With 8 teams MF finished behind Wildcats overall.Wildcats finished in top half of bracket.Not incredibly successful, just ahead of MF is all.
5:29 and 5:32 you are setting out opposing goals for your team.which is it?1 - You don't care if you advance and get points and only want to play the games for experience.or2 - You are bitterly disappointed in your finish in bottom half of bracket.
I meant 5:21 and 5:29
5:16 Again, typical. Wildcats seem happier to have finished above MF instead of being disappointed they didn't win it. I can tell you that MF wasn't happy they finished above 4 other teams.
"Anytime you have to use a team or league to see how your team stacks up then that league or team is the "standard" and by definition better than the team or league that needs the comparison to legitimize their value."Matchfit parents this post says it best.Your team seems to be the standard that wildcats feel a need to compare themselves to.See all the previous posts that compare them to you in the tournament.
7:24Standard your ass....Why wouldn't the cats compare their team to MF? MF is from NJ, there is so much comparison between ECNL and other leagues and you people think MF is Gods Gift to NJ Soccer. I wouldn't call them the standard. I would just call it two clubs who have decent teams from the same State competing. I don't think the cats are trying to be like MF. SORRY....Nice try.
Forgot to say this. MF was the only NJ team on their bracket I compare themselves to at Bethesda!
With the parents and coaches from the 2 nj ecnl clubs always coming on here telling wildcats they are going nowhere and the 2 ecnl team are the superior teams and the only places to be it's only natural that Wildcats enjoy sticking it to them when they beat them or finish higher in the same flights of tournaments. Which they have done more often than not when they are matched up or in the same flights.
What is unsettling to them is that this wildcats team is challenging the misconception that parents have no choice in nj but to put their child through the meat grinder if they want to get to college.Maybe they don't have to deal with the anxiety as a player and a family of wondering whether their child will be one of the few left standing when those clubs finish "compiling" their A team from all the players coming from who knows where this spring to form the ecnl team for U14.Maybe they can be part of a team where if they make the required commitment and work hard they know they will have a secure spot, play every game and be allowed to develop over time to their potential.Now wouldn't that be a refreshing change?
9:06 A lot of good points you bring up there. However, the thing the ECNL clubs bring to the table that you don't are "B" and "C" teams that will get the same looks if not more than you're #1 team in the country will get IF they are still together in 3 or 4 years. And the parents on those teams don't feel pressure about being on the "A" team because they believe in the training and the exposure their kids will get in the high school years. The kids will strive to get to the top team but its not the be all/end all. Folks that's the difference between us and them. How much depth at each U level does your club have? My kid is not on the top team but I will go no where else just to get on an A team that's good now. Again, look at last year's ECNL clubs U-18 college choices. A, B and C teams. Pretty dam impressive. .
I was thinking the same thing.perhaps the wildcats can educate us and stop this attack on them.Simple question:How many kids from your u18 team signed a letter of intent to play in college?The list should stop all this nonsense.Please post it so we can move on.
You assume the players being dropped from the A team when you finish compiling/cutting/recruiting will be satisfied dropping to the B or C Teams when they are cut.As we have seen those B teams do not get in the top flights and are playing 2nd flights or local tournaments and in the npl league division with the other ecnl club b and c teams.how exactly will that develop them as well as playing on a team that plays in the top flights of those same tournaments?those B and C teams are not being given the same chance to attend competitive tournaments to supplement their league play and if they do they are not put in the top flight so as not to compete with the A team in your club. And now with your expanded rosters they are not even assured of getting playing time or even dressing for each event.How exactly does that speed their development, not to mention their self esteem and confidence as a player?
9:43 It's the team and every team is different, not the club.
9:43 and 9:52I did a quick check of the news tournament in the important college recruiting years from u16 -u18.It seems that there are ECNL b teams in higher brackets then the wildcat team.I am trying to figure out why if what you say is true.It is possible that this current team will be the gem of the club and play in high brackets during the high school years but as a parent who looks at clubs. track record is important.I am not hater but would just like to hear your reasoning on this.
meant to say 9:50 and 9;52
Absolutely across the club the wildcats do not have teams at the level of the U13 Team.As was said every team is different and the U13 team is setting their own mark.The U13 coach and trainer has before built teams in clubs with NO tradition of winning at this level and won state cup and developed a team full of successful D1 players.Wildcats Club is miles ahead of those clubs where that occurred.
If you want to talk about how much better of a job the ecnl clubs are doing at college placement compared to non ecnl clubs in New Jersey please back it up with a list of last years graduating class and where they are playing in college. PDA only posts boys, Match Fit not since 2012. In other states, the few ecnl clubs who do post this info, I see as many DII & III schools as DI. Not bad, but certainly not the 30 DI full rides that I expected from all the talk. I do know this, of the top 6 ranked college teams right now, only 1 roster spot is held by a New Jersey native and she is a former Wildcat playing for UNC.
Wildcats would beat MF and when they did , you would all call it kickball.
The wildcats wouldn't score against MF. So best they can hope for is a draw.
11;32i don't think PDA is going to respond.They don't give wildcats a second thought.They are very happy with their choices.Wildcats success has no bearings on what they want for their kids.
What about the results from the CASL Shootout? It looked like that tournament had a very strong field.Is that this weekend?And Disney top flight looked very tough as well in U13 in a few weeks.
there was an issue with region 1 Director and heard he was fired and may be indicted.Now Region 1 site has no more region 1 Premier league but looks like they are starting up a new program called Region 1 Champions League.Anyone have info on this or who is planning to enter from our U13 Teams?
CASL Shootout for this age group was two weekends ago. Michigan Hawks won the top flight; they were a very impressive team, one of the best I've seen. PWSI won the second flight. No points/results have been entered into GotSoccer yet.
Everyone Check back GS next Wed. rankings will change based on some tournaments from last year expiring. So Wildcats enjoy your one week on top. Those GS rankings are not meaningful at all except to help bracket teams in tournament and league play.
The good news is that the blog is running out of room. Good idea to shut it down until the spring. Not much sooner left and you all need to focus on something else.
Hate all you want. They did it even if only for a week. Congrats to the Wildcats! Awesome accomplishment!!!!
20 more posts and it shuts down...now 19.
Hurry, need to get the #1 foam fingers right away. They will only be good for this weekends games.
Really bothers you that they did it and you didn't.Get over it already. Let's move on to something positive.
11:32 how convenient. Cut the rankings off at top 6 D1 schools. UVA is #7 and has THREE NJ girls on their team. Just another example of the pitiful manipulating and bull spitting that goes on here. MF is the standard? Says who, some parent looking to brag it up? Congratulate the Wildcat girls for their achievements on the field, not for "overcoming the negativity on this blog". Those kids could give 2 craps about the ramblings of some jealous parents from other teams. That's a fact. Informative and insightful posts like those of soccer nut and some others are unfortunately few and far between. Wildcat coach isn't sticking up for his team. There is no need to do so. He's sticking up for himself on an anonymous blog against people who get great pleasure from busting his chops. Coach, your posting on here only detracts from your team's accomplishments on the field. Why can't you stop posting?
a Quote from an article."theparents of younger playersmustremember that the time forplayer development is now.More and more coaches are beginning to stand out inthe soccer world,andit is now possible to identifythose whotruly work to make players better, not just those whoplug physicallygifted athletes into ashortcut system for the sake of winning games. Choose your club program based onwhichcoach hasadevelopment plan for your child, onethat focuses onthe four areas mentioned above (physical, mental,technical andtactical)"
Hey 10:17 even if you are right that GS is only used for determining brackets and leagues that that is very "meaningful" as getting into higher or top flight is very important and will become even more important in another year for exposure.No one is saying it actually ranks the teams in order of their exact ranking across the country.
It is important for the non-ecnl teams. I think the Wildcats coach is doing what he should be doing for his girls. Getting them exposure. Got to applaud him for that. Other non-ecnl teams should be doing the same.
10:57am - You ever consider that Maybe wildcats also get "great pleasure" from sticking it back in their haters faces when they prove wrong those who consistently come on here and predict they will be "obliterated", "smoked" "go 0 and 3 or I'll eat my hat" in top flight(remember that one last summer?) of major tournaments. I think they are having more fun "bustin their chops" right back.
GS ranking, so if we look at PAE the mighty PF club has dropped to #6. Last yr they were beating everyone , this yr having some issues. If Tourneys look at gotsoccer to rank teams then this wouldnt be good for PF , correct? At next years Jeff Cup if the 5 teams from PAE apply to play along with PF then they all should be in a higher bracket the PF due to GS point system, correct? Will this happen NO. PF will be in a higher bracket all because of the ECNL moniker . Does everyone agree with this? If so then GS doesnt mean anything.
We're #1...We're #1!
Our kids are u13 this going on u14 next year.I'm going to start this talk and tie into recent GS talks.While I'm happy for NJ wildcats and their current #1 ranking. We can call it what we want, but they had to be successful to accumulate the points, they don't handout points for just showing up.I'm going to ask this question, When is it to early to start visiting schools and reaching out to schools to let them know they are on your kid's radar so they can start paying attention.If the grades are good most of our kids will get sometype of an Academic Scholarship to help out a little with tuition. SOme type of help would be helpful with an athletic scholarship as well (no a must but would help). So if our kids are playing premier soccer I think it'sfair to say they are in the conversation to play College Soccer. I know most of the tops schools ask if your kid is on an ECNL team or does ODP. Most of the others just ask about HS and Club teams/coaches and ask for referal letters.So, If your kid's coach has connections and applies to the big tournaments where most of these schools send people anyway. I think that's just as important regardless of your flight. So while GS can get them into a top flight - does that really matter? I guess it matters to the teams that don't have the connections to open doors.For the other kids that are with ECNL clubs but not on the ECNL team, I know NPL has showcase events in FL & CA plus a National Final. So they have their opportunities as well in addition to these other major tournaments. But is it better to be on an ECNL team like CFC Dleco or FC Bucks instead of PF NPL?How many kids actually get identified at these tournaments that were not on the college's radar?
10:57by the way I agree with you on ignorant post from 11:32pm claiming only UNC has a jersey girl on roster among top teams.that certainly wasn't from me as I watched Jersey girl who is senior All-American at UVA many times in high school as she is a local product.Great Player!Just remember there are many posers/Trolls out there with their own agenda who will stoop to anything to sow their evil.It's a mistake to think you can always identify who is posting on an anonymous blog like this.
11:32PM, you should be proud that you have a girl on UNC, but let's be fair about college soccer rosters. Do yourself a favor and explore the entire rosters of the entire top 25. Top 50. Tell me the percentage of players that come from ECNL clubs vs Non ECNL clubs. There's no argument. There's no manipulation of details. It's where they predominantly recruit from.
1:13pm, you make a legitimate point. A quick search shows only 67 u18 teams in NJ that currently have any GS points, compared to 217 u13 teams. And PDA and MF make up 8 of the top 19 spots at u18. All the same, there are still other non-ecnl teams competing that don't seem to be sending any girls to substantial DI or DIII programs. We're currently at a non-ecnl club and I'll admit that's a concern for me.
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