Nice showing by NJ teams in Bethesda. In particular, the 2 teams that were in the top flight - Matchfit preECNL & Wildcats who both went 1-1-1. Good job ladies.
@523.....Didn't take long for the public relations spin to start. Somehow going 1-1-1 against teams that are ranked well below you is now being described as a "nice showing". Talk about looking at the glass as half full! Wow.
How did MF NPL do in much weaker B flight at Bethesda.They were claiming they should have been in top flight over maryland united pre-ecnl who tied both FCV and Penn Fusion and lost to wildcats 0-1.Speaking of points they must have picked up quite a few.
5:30 but you have been saying all along the Gs Rankings were "meaningless".Seriously EVERY team in that top flight was very tough. No team on either side of that top bracket went through 3-0-0, nuff said.
Sorry, WAGS top flight was tougher, this was a winnable tournament for MF, better luck next time!
6:29pm again - Just to correct an earlier post (apparently from Wildcats), Match Fit finished in second in their bracket by beating Cincinnati, a more impressive win than Wildcats'. And from watching both teams, Match Fit plays a much more attractive game of soccer. The all-Virginia finals finished 0-0, with FCV beating BRYC when BRYC missed first on the sixth kick.
What happened to SDFC Samba this weekend? Wow! They got ran over in top bracket of Fall Challenge. Surprising.
Grasping for straws. Your team has already started down from their crest as all of these other programs will merge all top kids from ecnl and ne npl..... Next year's ecnl teams are gonna be fun to watch! Lots of talent in this age group. Will be fun to watch all those teams come together. Hope PDA open minded and gives some girls from north and south a shot at ecnl team.....
@6:17 FC Copa results just as bad if not worse. Thistle surprising. Good showing by FC Bucks ECNL making it to final.
mf npl did not advance.They won 1 game in B flight.Also finished behind Dragons in npl league.
MF npl lost to NEFC 0-1 who won flight. Your point is? NEFC is every bit as good as any team in other flight. They are undefeated in ne npl and this league is a full year. Unlike other point grabbing bush leagues. Plus, this team gets to merge with pre ecnl team. End of the road for you though. So keep trying to knock. You are done..... peaking at u13.... ouch. It obviously is bothering you since you feel the need to bash others to make yourself feel better as usual. Not one other team has today. Again, as usual you lead in the DB/white trash category..... one category you will always be #1 in. Can you get GS points for that? Lol.
I agree 6:46. Boca. I saw Boca play twice today and they did well. Impressive.
To 5:17, Since I don't see Binghamton, BRYC or Cincinnati on the ECNL member clubs list, can you explain how Wildcats were the only non-ECNL club in the top bracket at Bethesda? Is every one from Wildcats this uninformed?
True, MF NPL did beat ENY Flash Academy for their only win this weekend.Dragons have moved right on past your team.
Pretty Funny comment for a team that has Never beaten them. These top girls get to merge with top girls on ecnl team. Let me know How that works for you at PDA..... you will be playing teams like wildcats next year....
No they will probably be avoiding them and every other top team that doesn't have ecnl in their name.
Who is ENY Flash Academy?
All I know is MF finished behind Dragons in NPL this fall.
You do understand that league is a full year do you? Little desperate are you?? Is it a point lead right now? I guess that happens when you have Never really won anything before.... Good luck with that as you will have to play each other again and actually beat them.
@6:46 you commented on every top team in that bracket except the one that won. After looking at results, SDFC and FC Copa both had tough weekends. FC Bucks ECNL had a good showing this weekend but BOCA was the champion. Let's give credit to both finalists along with Thistle who surprised many but couldn't make it to finals.
So FC (pre-ecnl) Bucks enters a sub-par, end of season tourney, and they lose in the final to Boca, is that right?Where I am from, that sucks.
wildcat defenders still big and tough kicking the ball down the field?
Thistle? Are you for reals?
@8:38 Thistle beat FC Copa and SDFC Samba, yes I'm "for reals"
My kid played in 2 games today in Hammonton... we played a team who I know for a fact had at least 1 PDA type guest in the final game... I know this striker was a guest, and not on the teams roster. I know this is commonly done in tournaments... but this team is bragging about winning a tournament with player(s) that aren't even on that team. Why does the other parents allow this to happen? And what's in it for the club? The club with the 'guest' had 5 kids on the bench, and this guest put in several goals today... I don't know what could be done, but it seems a little shady. Maybe I could understand better on why this is not a big deal. Any thoughts?
@8:39 and then lost to boca 4-0
8:40 parent, do you claim your team lost because of ONE guest player??? She must really be something!!
How many points is this tournament this year?When does got soccer take away from last year?
8:40, it's common, yes, but truly unfair to the rostered girls, especially if their minutes were lessened, and ultimately who cares about tournament success, if your child's experience was compromised. The top clubs do not do that, pick a team, train hard and let's go!
One guest that I know of... Why do the parents of the the team allow guests... I have an open mind (I think) and if it's no big deal, it's fine... I don't know why it's done, and why it's allowed when there's 5 subs. And the guest that I knew was their best player.
Dragons. Are you really happy about being in first place in a c level league? My daughter plays in this league and it really is weak. As a coach, you have to make up crazy rules for players in these games, just to keep the games interesting. Reminds me of MOSA.
826..."wildcat defenders still big and tough kicking the ball down the field?"Huh?
@8:59, maybe the player is considering switching teams, maybe the team was down players for other games in tourn, maybe the team has girls inactive with injuries. Many reasons. One guest player usually doesn't change that much. What team are you speaking of?
We don't name or insinuate players here, and I won't be doing that. But with 5 subs, all of which eventually played... She played 75% of the game. So I doubt there's an injury issue.She is a very nice kid, and very good player that happens to guest often.
@8:40 did the guest dominate your team or did the team move the ball around you and create opportunities for her. Were all their goals breakaways? It's really tough to say that at U13 one player can change the entire game. But possible I guess??
11 of the 15 games played at Bethesda in top flight had a shutout, including the final. Had already been shown roughly 75% of games in EDP Central had a shutout this year. Just saying! LOL
@9:19 - This will be my last post on the subject... I don't wan this to go on... She was the best player on the field for both teams... And I don't know their entire team, but I would be surprised if there was just one "guest" on her adopted team. She did not dominate, but she definitely gave them a clear advantage.My issue, why would a parent be proud of winning a tournament with a kid or two that's not on their team - bragging about it here like it's a major deal.And if you're a parent of a kid on the bench, why are you not screaming at these practices?
Boca plz be quiet ... I saw the final not impressed at all ... Be humble take your win .
Hey 9:01I am looking at the Fall Leagues. Besides the Pre-ECNL league, which leagues are stronger than the NE NPL?
At U12, my daughter was a guest tournament player for a lower level team in her club because of injuries and absences. She scored every goal for the team on the second day, including the goals in the finals, despite trying to get other players involved because she realized it was their team. I still wonder if the players and parents devalued the tourney win but on that day at least, they were all very happy and because of the dearth of subs, it didn't cut playing too much. Winning did seem to boost the morale and confidence of the team. But I understand your concerns and if my daughter's team only won b/c of a guest player playing well below her regular level, then I personally would place less value on the win. And to address another comment, while it's harder at U13, a high-level difference maker will still dominate if she guests down two or more levels.
9:25Your girls played well this weekend, I hope they are proud of themselves.Next time you go into Jersey , you may want to leave any preconceived notions of shady practices at the bridge. Winning is all that matters. And you didn't really expect to get on here an see a display of class and dignity from the winning team, did you?
Wow, some disgruntled FC Bucks parents tonight.
@9:20, without doubt, there was lots of shutouts this weekend, 6 out of the 13 games having one team shutout and 3 of the 13 games (including the finals) ending 0-0. A large part of that was the defense but several of the teams had a hard time generating ANY offense, as evidenced by the three teams who only scored 1 goal in the tournament.
MF NPL to dumb to realize that Wildcats are mocking them about finishing behind Dragons. NPL results are based on a full year (Fall/Spring) results. Wildcats wouldn't know this because they still play EDP.
8:40 boca carries a full roster (I think 17) thru cup and league play. I would assume this is bc, unlike academy clubs that have several teams to select from in case of injuries or absences, they only have one team at each age group. 5 subs is not abnormal for them.
Actually if Connecticut FC wins out next weekend they finish the fall season in first place in NPL. What are their chances?? PDA South stands in the way.
Our club would never use a guest player unless we were extremely desperate.( I am saying only one on two two subs)We are so proud of our roster of 17 & stand behind them 100%. If the roster can't get the job done... They don't deserve to get the credit that one other player may have created. Wouldn't you wonder, "could they have done it without her"!!
@10:23 Good for you - agreed.Obviously your team didn't win their division at Hammonton today. Why would a parent or a coach get all excited with a win in a tournament while using guest players that are better than your rostered players and while you had 5 subs?
10:37 Our team had no part of any play this weekend. I am just saying our club takes great pride in our roster and the decisions they made. The coaches will stand behind that. I would disregard any scores that had action with guest players. They are fake!! That "team"can not take credit for that. That is not their "team".
Biggest Bethesda surprises for me:BRYCYMS BansheesSomeone posted here that BRYC was rated too high. Wow - was that ever a doozy!Great finalBRYC allowed ZERO goals in 4 games, by the way.
8:26 - "wildcat defenders still big and tough kicking the ball down the field?"Yes, I would pick them 1st for my kickball team. Big- yes .. tough - no
I am not surprised at all by YMS. I have been on this site for weeks saying the PA East(read that PAGS1) teams are not getting the respect they deserve, especially YMS. Rage won the patriot division as well. Throw in 1776 playing even with Match Fit NPL, Classics not losing a game, and even the Pumas beating Pipeline 3-0, and all in all a good showing. Great job girls!Biggest surprise was Harford. Don't know if they are nursing injuries or what, but they are a better team than their showing this weekend would suggest.
NPL leagues are a little different. They play 40 minute halves. Once subbed out, you can not return to game that half.Final standings will be based on both Fall and Spring record.Top 4 teams will have a playoff to determine League Champion.NJ NE NPL teams had a very good Fall season. Combined (PDA North, MF NPL, and PDA South) are: W24-L2-D5 96GF/22GA both loses coming in NJ vs NJ games.
U13 Pre ECNL NJ Teams (PDA and MF):W13-L2-D4 46GF/14GA
On my not surprised list:Penn Fusion - 1 GF, 3 GA. Similar to WAGS where they were 1 GF, 4 GA. Scoring drought continues. Time to take some finishing clinics over the winter, ladies.Binghamton - Poster child for "big team with good athletes who kick the ball far and had lots of success at younger ages but now other teams are playing possession soccer and suddenly they are not winning so much".NEFC - should have been in top flightRage - thought this would actually be an all PA final but Classics did not hold up their end of the dealYMS - easiest pick all weekend. Flighted too low.Surprises:BRYC - I've seen them play. And based on their WAGS results I did not expect much of them. That's a great weekend for them. Kudos.Match Fit pre-ECNL - I'm very surprised they gave up two goals to BRYC. Also surprised that they were tied by the Bing. And then, based on those two wins, I'm surprised that they rose up and beat Cincinnati, in a game that was a must win for Cincinnati. Weird weekend for them.Wildcats - Based on this board, I was expecting a bunch of thuggish cheap shot artists with crazy parents. Pleased to say this was not true. Parents were fine. And I've seen much more physical teams than Wildcats. Probably one of the best things they do is switch the field as their girls have the leg strength to do that. And they have some midfielders that have some nice skills. That all being said, yeah, they played direct, not quite like how NJX plays exclusively direct, but the end goal of each passing sequence seemed to be to boot a long through ball to a striker who was waiting waiting waiting for the right time to take off on a sprint. Sometimes it would be a defender who just booted the ball forward, other times it was the midfielders stringing three passes together before playing it back for a big boot from the holding mid. So yeah, direct. But it is completely unfair to say that they pack it in and wait for a breakaway. They were a good team. I'd say better than MF NPL and PDA South, but not as good as MF pre-ECNL and PDA pre-ECNL, which is where a lot of others have ranked them.FC Virginia - Can't classify it as a surprise as I had never seen them before, but I just wanted to mention how impressed I was with this team. They are very fast and skilled. They always seemed to have numbers, all over the field. I think they are better than PDA pre-ECNL. Their parents sucked, but I liked that I barely heard a peep out of their coach.
7:27I agree!Watched them play this weekend.As previous poster said they just kick the ball down the field.They are not particularly fast but they are big.Best way to play defense a this age is to make sure the ball gets cleared from the back. That is what they do.To be fair, it is effective as you can keep a score down and begin a counter attack.It will grow tiresome in next year and team will fade into oblivion like their older teams. This team will be no different then any team in the wildcat club.
They are very much like old NJX(MF NPL) and that is why both teams usually tie each other. Both teams can compete with almost anybody because they are extremely athletic. The problem here is the wildcats team is going to be this exact team moving forward. Academy programs will be mixing the talent. So the ECNL teams will all mostly improve as this team is already where it will be for next season...
8:41, great recap., but please tell us why the FCV parents were sucky, since we can all relate to that, what did they say to irritate you? I am just curious, and I need a good laugh.Cheers!
If I were in the Wildcats' shoes, I'm not sure I'd care too much about where the team will be moving forward. Those kids have gathered together for a nice run over the last few years and they'll get to look back on it some day and swap stories about how they won states and some tournaments. Maybe that run will continue. Maybe it won't. Not sure I'd care if I was a Wildcat parent.My kid plays for a pre-ECNL team. And they're a good team. But they're good because they've pretty much taken the best players from about four town teams. They weren't developed at the ECNL club. The ECNL teams will pass Wildcats by, but it's because of their recruiting advantage.
The FCV parents sucked because they moaned and groaned about every call. Even when the calls went their way. And they had two of those moms with voices that just grate on your ears. The team is good enough that the parents should just act like they've been there before. It was like being at a U6 rec-league game with a bunch of first time parents.
@8:41am. BRYC's B team plays WAGS. The A team plays CCL and won the Colonial League last year.
@6:46PM Boca a win with guests that are better than anyone on your team, that play almost the whole game is not anything to brag about. You shouldn't draw so much attention to yourself. jussayin'
9:06 Thanks.You are right that wildcat team is only team in their club playing at this elite level and is hanging even with teams from big clubs that have elite teams at every age group and get their pick of hundreds at tryouts while this wildcats team has had to scramble to roster 14 or 15 each year. There are players on wildcats who would never get a 2nd look at tryouts by nj ecnl clubs but have become competitive at this level through hard work, determination and perseverance. Our girls have gained great confidence in themselves during the teams rise and regardless of how long this ride among the very best teams lasts they will have as you say a State Title and their other accomplishments and great memories of what they did TOGETHER as a TEAM against all odds and all the doubters and haters who said they couldn't do it and would never be considered among the top teams.
9:06- Can you support the "Wildcats nice run" with some examples please?This team is always a lightning rod on this site but I can't find real soccer accomplishments. I think they won their first U13 tournament game this weekend?
Thanks 9:10, that really is too bad. For better, or for worse, a team is judged not only by the players, but by the parents, which is completely unfair to the girls, but such is life.Being a winner means being classy, if you’re not, then all the championships in the world cannot buy you the one thing that everyone secretly craves, respect.
8:05 - PAGS teams did show well this weekend and even win but they did it all at lower divisions. The 2 highest ranked teams didnt get 1 win.Then the league champion cant even win the 3rd flight? What? The team that won the 3rd flight was 500 in PAGS 1. Then YMS wins the 4th flight! They beat some poor teams down there. They beat an NPL team with 2 wins and an Pre ECNL team wiht 1 in their respective leagues. the toughest team the played was Pipeline.(who is not that good)Penn Fusion didnt do well in the top Div either(no wins).I know they are not a PAGS team but a PAE team. So for PAE teams to get credit they need to step up and beat some top teams. Where was Penn Legacy?
Does it really matter what parents say on the sidelines of games? Does anyone ever hear a parent put down or berate a player on another team? If parents on other teams want to coach their kids from the sidelines, I say go for it. What that means is the kid is not paying attention to the coach or the game because all they hear is their annoying parent. I tell my kid not to listen to fans on the sidelines but she hears them. She always tells me things they say. I tell her not to listen.
and I'm sure that the MF Pre-ECNl parents just can't wait for the NJX parents to join them...."Anonymous said... MF npl lost to NEFC 0-1 who won flight. Your point is? NEFC is every bit as good as any team in other flight. They are undefeated in ne npl and this league is a full year. Unlike other point grabbing bush leagues. Plus, this team gets to merge with pre ecnl team. End of the road for you though. So keep trying to knock. You are done..... peaking at u13.... ouch. It obviously is bothering you since you feel the need to bash others to make yourself feel better as usual. Not one other team has today. Again, as usual you lead in the DB/white trash category..... one category you will always be #1 in. Can you get GS points for that? Lol. November 16, 2014 at 7:09 PM
Wildcats only undefeated team through 3 seasons of EDP Central play.17 wins0 losses6 tiesSome very good wins in there as Central was toughest league in northeast last fall and spring and still has some very tough teams this season(Calvert, wildcats, Hartford, STA)
10:55 That would be considered a nice run combined with sate cup win and 500( 1 win 1 loss 4 ties (3 Goals 3GA) record vs 6 pre-ecnl teams at WAGS Cup and Bethesda top flights this fall.
Who are you comparing the PAE teams to? NJ? That came out pretty even. Er, exactly even: W-D-L of 1-3-1; GF 3, GA 3.NJ vs PAE at BethesdaPenn Fusion 0 Wildcats 0Match Fit NPL 0 1776 0Rage Athletica 2 NJCSA 0PA Classics 1 NJ Crush 1Match Fit Black 2 Continental NPL 0
Going back past the fall season is meaningless at this point. As is pointed out on numerous occassions, teams are much different each season as their is a lot of player movement. You can only brag on what your team has accomplished so far this fall. It appears some teams have gotten better, some have stayed the same and some have taken a step backword. Thoughts?
7:09pm and 11:11AM -MF NPL now resorting to racial slurs(white trash) while claiming the high ground.
You beat Calvert you win EDP central. How is that close to the other leagues? These other programs are playing several tough games in their leagues. You can say recruiting all you want but that is the next step. I think that is all people are saying. If you would want to be with a "program" wouldn't you want to be able to get to the next level next season?
It depends what you mean by "matter", 11:08. I hope it does not matter to my daughter's performance on the field. But it does matter to the spectators. The loud angry sideline parent who shouts the whole game sucks. The parent who blows an air horn after their team scores sucks. The parent who encourages retaliation after a foul sucks. The parent who uses "someone's gonna get hurt out there" as a threat sucks.
11:21 - I think there was some sarcasm in 11:11's post and was essentially making the same point as you.
Everything on this board is a reaction to a Wildcat attack. That is the issue. Stop bashing and attacking and all will be well...... All post strings start with a Wildcat attack on a team and then the reaction is basically consistent from all teams. Which means you are what you are.....
We will continue to work with what we have as long as they want to stay and develop our players.We have never cut a player from our team. We never will.To each his own.
11:26- I like that post. About your own club. Usually it is that post with an attack. All good all day to hear you want to keep developing with what you have. And good luck with that as it has worked so far.
11:25 no your post was the only one to use a racist comment(DB/white trash), sarcasm or not.Please don't try and spin it as all the same.Sarcasm and jokes are fine, but racist and personally demeaning comments and name calling of individuals have no place on the blog.It's supposed to be all in fun after all.
"@8:41am. BRYC's B team plays WAGS. The A team plays CCL and won the Colonial League last year. "Are you saying that BRYC's B team was in the top flight at the WAGS Columbus Day tournament?
Perhaps someone with a better understanding of the GotSoccer point system can confirm this, but won't Wildcats get points for being a semi-finalist - even though there wasn't a true semi-finals - and with those points move up to 1st or 2nd in the nation? That would be an interesting result as they were probably only the 4th or 5th best team at Bethesda.
11:30 Thanks.We don't have to be the very best team so what you ask from us to prove to you is not our goal.We are doing fine being able to compete with ANY of the teams from the big clubs and qualify and play competitively in the top flights of the best tournaments.That will develop our girls and get them exposure. And our girls are happy and they like each other and the parents are friendly and hang out together and it is not cut throat as our girls and our parents are not looking over their shoulders wondering who will take their roster spot each season.We have 15 players and all play good minutes in every half of every game no matter how IMPORTANT or MEANINGFUL the game is.And I am happy about that and that I have found that situation for my daughter to grow and develop in as a soccer player and a confident young person.
@11:34, that was a mistake. BRYC's top team was in the WAGS tournament.
11:38 and that is somehow wildcats fault? The teams just play the games in front of them.We don't make the rules or influence GS.Other teams from nj are and have been ranked that high when they weren't accurate.
top teams in my opinionI dont care who made finalsCincinnati CupFC VirginiaMatch FitBRYCNJ WildcatsPenn FusionMarylandGBCincinnati team, looked so good.
Good riddance to the parents of the MF npl team that think they are moving on to the amazing Ecnl team. Hope the grass is greener and you earn your playing time.
11:52 didn't BRYC beat MF 2-0 at Bethesda? And didn't BRYC make the finals over MF and lose in shootout to FCV? Other than overranking their own team those ratings are pretty fair from what we saw this weekend.
11:18 - not comparing PAE to any other state. I dont think the PAGS in that actually played the better teams did well. IF YMS would have lost in the 4th flight that would have been terrible. I think the surprise for PAE was Rage winning. Even if it was in the 3rd flight.
@2:40 wrong, BOCA wins! here they come, they have been talking for months on here. next weekend will be there swan song
11:30 - I posted 11:11. My intent regarding the post from last night was excatly the same as yours. low class and uncalled for. maybe you should go back and re-read my lead-in to what i quoted from 7:09PM. - when you read it, put yourself in the shoes of an MF Pre-ECNL parent and apply the intended sarcasm.
11:38 - I would rank Wildcats 6th or 7th in the top flight of teams at Bethesda. Now the final score of games didn't show that but game play did.
11:30 so this post below justifies the racist rant?What is inaccurate about the post below to elicit a racist attack in response?anonymous said..."mf npl did not advance.They won 1 game in B flight.Also finished behind Dragons in npl league".November 16, 2014 at 6:50 PM
"Boca.....just saying" (@6:46PM)Is that the best you can do GAK-ster?Or should we call you -- BOAK-ster?We are use to "GAK is WAK".How about "Boca is Wak".....Naah, doesn't sound right.Maybe.....Boca gets Wacked this weekend, maybe that sounds right.Unless, they bring 11 guest players.
11:58 I was not going by results, I was going by style of play and players.If was going to be unrealistic about levels of play and route for my team. I would have said thisFC ViginiaNJ WildcatsPenn Fusion BRYCCincinnati CupMatch FitMaryland GBI like my daughters team, reality is that are team can compete and tie many of these teams based on our style.My first list was based on style that I was able to see.
12:20 my, my now mathcFit is posing as wildcat parent.Too funny.
yes, clearly trying to duck responsibility for ridiculous past at 11:52AM ranking his MF team above BRYC who beat MF head to head 2-0 this weekend and took FCV to shootouts in finals. Nice try though.didn't MF also tie Binghamton this weekend? 1 good showing in 3 games does not rank you third in that flight.2 of 3 results for MF this weekend were disappointing.can't rank them 3rd of 8 this weekend. 4 or 5 would be fair based on this weekends performance.
The ranking this past weekend purely by records and GF/GA would go as below:FC VABRYCCinyNJ WildcatsMFMD UnitedPenn FusionGBNow everyone can have their own opinions on how the ranking would go. Who played a nicer game. Whose team your daughter plays on. Whose fans are the biggest jerks.
11:12- Wildcats have never finished first in their EDP division. Now that NJX and PDA have moved onto NPL they might finally finish first. Their State Cup title an empty win without PDA and MF as well Think they have won 1 U13 tournament game? 1win in around 10 U13 tournament games? That's a real nice run.
I was there this weekend. MAPS freezing cold, any girl or guy on the fields Saturday between 8-12, wow. give them credit. boca wins, hard to beat them up. that FC Bucks team was very good, had a great striker up front. I don't think they had one or two guests top with boca, that is so common to have guests the tourney allows it, cannot use excuse as winning. I watched boca and gfa finals at same time next to each other, gfa for U14 girls looking good and boca, come on give that little team much, much credit with EDP wins, EDP tourney wins, not this tourney win and open cup wins on and on.
Good for BOCA. People complaining about guest must be from Jersey teams. Bucks people don't know these kids and really don't care one way or the other. The fact that Bucks had 1 sub and played without 5 starters including their best keeper gave some others an opportunity. Does it matter that much? This team has taken its lumps in the pre-ECNL this Fall with an eye on the future. They have talent, just not enough right now. How about a year or 2 from now when Bucks has a legit ECNL team? Will it matter then? Just saying what exactly?
1:15- Exactly right. NJ Top 5 teams all play for MF and PDA. If you exclude them, then Wildcats would be #1. Wildcats, STA, Crush, TSF and Boca.
Wildcats record off gotsoccer site:U13 Tourneys (Spirit, WAGS, Bethesda)1W- 2L- 6TU12 Tourneys this calendar yr8W- 1L - 4T
1:30 - I guess you are assuming girls will come to Bucks. I guess you are basing this on the older ECNL bucks teams. There are 2 other ECNL teams in EPA. Why wouldnt the girls go to CFC or Penn Fusion? Aren't all the EPA ECNL teams close? "They have talent, just not enough right now. "Well according to their record they have not shown it. They have the worst GD at -31 in the league.
Congrats to ALL the NY Cup Gold Flight bracket winners:A Bracket-WC Charlton B Bracket-NYSCC Bracket-EM HOTSHOTZ*D Bracket-MASSAPEQUA ROWDIESE Bracket-INTENSE SOCCER ACADEMYF Bracket-MANHATTAN PRIDE*HOTSHTZ still not crowned, tie against FC Westchester solidifies 1st place.Wildcards:WC HAMMATLETICOLAGRANGELast Spot still to be determined: HBC SPARK, YANKEE UNITED, SABA BROOKLYN all in contention.
1:15pm and 1:33pm- Then answer this question - Why are wildcats now at U13 consistently flighted in top flight of the very best tournaments(WAGS Cup, Bethesda),while MF NPL at U13 is consistently flighted in B(2nd flight) flights of competitive regional tournaments(Stars of Mass, Bethesda)?Now either you are mistaken or your opinion is not resonating with those who are making the decisions of which teams are at the highest level of competition.
2:01 yes, attacks on wildcats are getting more and more desperate.Ignore them as they want to be in the top flights you are in.Sour grapes is all.
I am not assuming anything, just keeping it real. Plenty of talent to go around. GD is irrelevant to them at this time. They don't play to keep the score close or with the back packed bombing balls down the field. IMO they are actually overly unconcerned with results but its their call. They play with 3 backs a lot of the time. They score a good amount of goals. They obviously have their own agenda just like you have yours. Let's talk again in about 18 months.
First of all, the person who won't shut up about Boca is absolutely the former GAKster. Daughter is with Boca now, and the irritating, over-inflated self worth is consistent.But here's the thing about Boca. They're not a bad team. They're not a great team, but they're not a bad team. They're just like every other team currently not named MF/PDA/Wildcats (I'll include Wildcats even though I hate their chest-beating, look-at-me childishness, too). There are so many teams currently ranked between 8 and 30 that could change places with each other 1,000 times between now and the end of it all if none of them made any roster moves. Boca, Atlantic Utd, PDA Shore, Medford, SJEB, NJ Rush, Mercer, STA, NJCSA, Crush, TSF. Let's be honest, they're all basically the same with different uniforms on. Boca has some things that work. But they haven't separated themselves from this pack yet and likely won't. And that's ok. It doesn't mean their girls are wasting their time. But I don't imagine they're going to be getting any better over time as long as they're not ECNL, NPL, or Region1. There's just no draw for talented girls who are leaving one team and looking for another. So GAKster/BOCAster, I know why you're doing what you're doing. Trying to drive awareness of a decent club in hopes that other players may consider you as an option if they're shopping around, but it's not going to happen, and you're just annoying. Embrace what you are. A decent team with a decent group of girls. But you're not going to be taking the world by storm despite what you want to believe. Rant over.
1:36. That would put the Wildcats winning % at around 10%. Keep in mind they are always the higher ranked team per GS. 3 tournaments and 1 win, that's a great run!
2:21pm see 2:01pm.
@2:17 actually a nice rebuttal about boca. agree with all and I am close to boca, not even sure who GAKster is. But I don't mingle much with parents, they are toxic in general. of course usually the pda, mf ecnl and all your claims are very close to correct. I was at the tournament, watched much great soccer. I do believe a persons will to win is hard to fight with, a U13 girls will to win and fight is hard to discount ever
Comment on the MAPS Challenge....that TBAA Strykers team showed well, even thought they did not place, they lost to Boca and Thistle by only 1 and beat FC Copa 2-0. Maybe a team to keep an eye on???
First off MF cannot have two teams in same flight. Secondly this is the last year they use GS points to flight these top tourneys. So your inflated league points get you the call. Please don't deny your inflated points as it is easy to see on line. Take it all day this year because that is gone next year. The top flights will be all the newly strengthened ECNL teams.
All about being in the right spot U14-16. What we have all been saying this entire year..... That is the debate. Where is the best place for you girl.
This is getting ridiculous. Some of these attacking posts are turning me into a Wildcats supporter. Which a month ago I thought would be impossible.The team is good! But they're actually not crowing about it. All the recent posts are in defense of their team. Which you can hardly blame them for. Give it a rest for a while, will ya?
Why is it always "next year" with the ecnl. After we merge teams, after we attract better players after this after that. Same things are being said by u-14s, u-15's etc. Plenty of ecnl teams in bottom div of college showcase tournaments. Nothing special. Its the individusl teams that matter, coaches and chemistry not the label. Put your daughter in the best program you can where she will have a possitive experience. Then sit back and enjoy it.
2:53Correction. Wildcats posted at 5:28 last night how well they did over the weekend and that was better than all of the other NJ teams. It was the first post about the tournament. They deserve the knocking if they come on here boasting.
@1:16 I must agree. That BOCA team has come a long way. Maybe they aren't ECNL but they have consistently been bringing forth wins in tournaments, EDP (although lower bracket) and recent EDP Open Cup games. Those all can't be discounted. Maybe someone has been stirring the pot on here to create some drama with them (don't know GAKster) but in my opinion they deserve some credit for putting forth the hard work. Yes, maybe next weekend they don't do well against those higher level teams but don't discount them for trying. You would be calling them out for dodging competition if they didn't. Stop picking on 12 year old girls and congratulate them on a win.
2:59.Correction, the boasting post was at 5:17PM
You need to go back to November 15, 2014 at 12:53 PM and read about 10-15 posts. That's when the bashing started.
2:53 You should take your daughter there. Where are the Wildcats being attacked? I don't think listing the facts is attacking. All the recent posts have been about results:-Never finished first in their EDP League-Have won 1 out of 9 U13 Tournament games.
Wildcats,Ignore the negative rhetoric, play your game, improve your skills, and win EDL in the spring, that will get you a trip to NPL Finals, and with that the respect you deserve.NYE Guy.
Please don't tell me the Wildcats are now getting sympathy and/or pity. I am going to gag.Not a hater or supporter, just an observer.
"2:53 You should take your daughter there. Where are the Wildcats being attacked? I don't think listing the facts is attacking. All the recent posts have been about results:-Never finished first in their EDP League-Have won 1 out of 9 U13 Tournament games.November 17, 2014 at 3:10 PM"That's not facts, 3:10. That's spin. What's their record and goal differential? Who was their competition? Nothing wrong with being biased, but you could at least man up and own your bias.
3:38, agreed, its more than just facts. As far as being a sympathizer, I could care less, but I do think you guys pile-on too much. Wildcats do not help their cause by responding, ignore if possible. Wildcats are the poor orphans, looking for space at the NJ Soccer Elite table, good luck with that.NYE Guy.
2:01Whay are Cats flighted higher than MF NPL?Because MF teams did not play State CupWildcats are riding the wave of the SC title. Its deserved. But no need to knock MF NPL for it.If they play 10 times it would be 3-3-4.
3:10Today is not the day to bring up the Wildcats tourney recordQuality win yesterday vs a MD United ECNL team that was playing for something.
Not to mention pretty much all their posts are from their self promoting, top teams are afraid of us, we never lose but have a lot of ties but don't lose, and bla blah blah and make sure you come to my extra$$$ training CHOACH.
What’s wrong with you people? I mean, do you actually chuckle to yourself after you make your little posts. There, alone in the dark, in the basement of your Mom’s house, chuc-kle. NYE Guy
3:28 hahaha those are facts1 tournament win in 9 gamesNever won their EDP DivisionWildcat parents very busy today. They are comical and very transparent.
3:41 doesn't every tournament team play for something? Please post the schedule for us to comment on Tournaments.
3:39pm's post is factually incorrect.Wildcats top flighting for WAGS Cup AND Bethesda came out Before state cup title was won, and likewise MF NPL 2nd flighting at Stars of Mass and Bethesda was decided before State Cup was over and points awarded.At least post the facts.You live in an alternative reality.So stop saying you just post the facts please.
4:28- Wildcat coach- You agree with the facts posted in 4:10 posts, right? You have won 1 out of 9 games played at U13 tournaments this year. You have never won your league when NJX and PDA were in them? .
This is stupid, 4:10.2 losses in 9 tournament games. You see how that works? The aim of my posts is to point out how unjust you are being. What is the aim of your posts? What's your point?
reread 3:39pm.Factually incorrect post.State Cup win and points had no bearing on flighting this fall for either team as it came after flights were posted.wildcats record vs 6 ecnl teams at Wags Cup and Bethesda is 1 win 1 loss and 4 ties.
My point is that that have only won 1 game out of 9 and they NEVER won their EDP division. Not sure what part your not understanding?
4:45 another factually incorrect post.Clinched 1st in EDP already at 6-0-0 with 2 games still in hand.
4:13No. Often the third game is just a game vs a team that cannot advance. In this case Maryland United was still alive to advance to a final.Glad to clear that up for you
Bitter and jealous are no way to go through life. Congratulations on your fall season Wildcats. The success of your team flies in the face of the alternate reality some of these people are living in.Keep up the good work, your girls have earned the right to be proud of themselves.
All the New Jersey teams were flighted correctly at BethesdaCant really be refuted.
OFFICIAL Bethesda flights were not out til NovemberState Cup final was in October
I am sure if PDA Storm applied, Wildcats would have been moved to 2nd tier.
Listen, no matter what Wildcats do the one or two bloggers that monopolize the blog with the ongoing hate are never going to cut them a break. So what, they only won one game in fall tournaments. You see ALOT of ties in top flight of tournaments or a 1 goal win because they are playing at the highest level in that particular tournament and teams are fairly even. What about the many other teams that do the same. To talk about how they haven't won a edp division when pda or NJX was in it is just a stupid comment.If you want to split hairs how come pda ecnl couldn't win the EDP cup? Your logic is way off! They should have breezed through that tournament but didn't. That to me is a MUCH bigger topic because they are expected to win and they don't. Seems that people don't like wildcats because you expect them not to do well and they somehow seem to get the results.
5:32 yes and results back up your point.MF ECNL and Wildcats both 1-1-1 in top flight.MF NPL 1-1-1 in B flight.NJCYSA Galaxy 1-1-1 in C flight.Not sure about other jersey Teams at Bethesda.
5:36 you have posted another factually incorrect post.Here below are the Bethesda flights correctly posted on this blog on october 17th.State cup final was 9 days later on oct 26th. Do you just make this stuff up or what?Anonymous said...Bethesda Flight Guess with preview if flights are as below:Looking forward to Cincinnati vs MF game result winner winsthe bracket.FC Virginia my favorite to beat on pennFusion for the other bracketCINCINNATI UNITED CUP GOLD (OS)MATCH FIT ACADEMY FC PRE ECNL (NJ)GREATER BINGHAMTON FC 01 SELECT (NYW)BRYC 01 ELITE (VA)FC VIRGINIA PRE-ECNL 01 (VA)PENN FUSION SA '01G ECNL (PAE)NJ WILDCATS AVERBUCH (NJ)MARYLAND UNITED FC 01 ECNL (MD)=================================== Harford in a good spot to make final.NEFC vs MF NPL is my game to watch in this flight winner wins flight not just bracket.We also get to see PA's 1776 play some teams we all know well MF NPL & NEFC.EMPIRE REVOLUTION ROCHESTER 01/02 (U12) (NYW)BETHESDA SC ACADEMY 2001 BLUE (MD)HARFORD FC UNITED THUNDER (MD)HMMS EAGLE FC 01 SPIRIT (PAE)NEFC ELITE U13 GIRLS (MA)MATCH FIT ACADEMY FC NORTH EAST NPL (NJ)WNY FLASH ACADEMY 2014 FLASH ACADEMY GU12 (NYW)1776 UNITED XTREMES (PAE)=================================== I'll go with Rage since this is a toon up for their Super Y finals in DecemberPA guy said PA Classics is a solid team let's see howthey do against to NYCSL NPL teamsNJ Crush and ISA - my pick is NJ Crush.VICTORY EXPRESS SC PLATINUM (PAW)NJCSA GALAXY (NJ)RAGE SC '01 ATHLETICA (PAE)MARYLAND UNITED FC 01 RED (MD)PA CLASSICS ACADEMY 01 (PAE)NJ CRUSH FC TSUNAMI (NJ)FC FREDERICK '01 (MD)ISA 01 NPL (NYE)=================================== The 4th Flight is wide open.YMS BANSHEES (PAE)BEACH FC 01G RED (VA)FC STARS OF MASS NPL (MA)CONTINENTAL FC DELCO ECNL '01 (PAE)SOUTH CENTRAL PA 01 LADY LIONS (PAE)PHWM SC PUMAS (MD)PIPELINE SC BLACK (MD)MCLEAN YOUTH SOCCER U13 PRE-ECNL (VA)=================================Anyone else??October 17, 2014 at 12:55 PMAnonymous
Looks like tournament director had flights made out before state cup ended and that was obviously NOT a factor for either team.
based on Wildcats earlier work, no doubt.State Cup just confirmed it.
Wildcat coach, why do you keep responding to this MF NPL parent who can't stand being 2nd banana in his own club and can't handle the success of your team in his own backyard. Used to be the big dog, but not anymore. NJX is gone. Soon top players will be absorbed into MF or PDA ECNL. What happened to the debate about who was going to be the ECNL team and where they would train? How'd that work out for you.
So....take what was already judged by a very reputable committee (Bethesda), add a State Cup title, then add a win over a very impressive pre ECNL club on their home turfMakes little sense that posts would degrade Wildcats, excepting of course the "style" purists.STYLE does often lose. This even at the pro level. Never forget this,
6:20 wasn't that when MF NPL was going to get 8 of their players on pre-ecnl team at U14 and train in Hazlet?Or how about when they told you your 8 on pre-ecnl team would train in Hazlet and the other 8 from old Black Team would train up north and you would only have to make trek up north to 1 session per month. Other than that team would only get together on game day.Is that still on the table?
No best one was DOC would take over training and coaching until U14 when they would combine for pre-ecnl.How is that working out?
MF offering enough by us. You guys have peaked at U13. We get to compile a team of the top kids. We will see where you are with same kids next year..... Makes me laugh that you get so jacked up about winning 1 tourney game against an average team instead of asking yourself what kind of soccer you played. You have officially become the king of kick ball and attack. Will keep you competitive now but come on back next season and let me know How things are..... The short sighted academy. Seems to be a pattern for that at your place. Numbers Never lie.
Boca?Seriously stay off the board.The only people that talk about Boca is Boca.Stop coming on the board to talk about your team.Nobody cares.You are a non factor.
8:11 last year you said Wildcats peaked at U12.
Now THAT is mythology, 8:11MD United far from an average soccer team.And we're not talking about next year.
Give Wildcats credit for playing tough. Other than 3/1 loss to Ajax they have kept every game close. They are tough to score on and should be considered a top 5 team in NJ. MF black had a good showing in Bethesda. Only NJ team to make finals.
8:11 You are correct wildcats will have basically the same roster next year.Other than possibly filling 1 or more of their 3 open roster spots, while you will "compile" players from multiple teams which of course will mean some of your current players will be cut or replaced.We will look to improve and develop the players we have.
None of the nj teams advanced to finals at Bethesda.
MF Black, not a lot of chatter about that team. I'm sure parent bloggers like it that way. Quietly putting something together.
@8:45 actually bucks were complaining about boca having a guest player last weekend
9:45 - Sorry to say but MD United is just an avg team
I didn't think the ecnl had average teams, only elite teams playing in their super-leagues.And if MD United is average what does that say about FCV and PF?Just can't give credit where credit is due.
They play against the best kids in Region 1 every weekend with some resulting tough outcomes. They don't know or care about some random guest player at a November tourney. You're looking to prolong a non story. You should be happy you won and move along.
No the best thing about MF is still to come. For another fee we will give your daughter technical training during the winter. What type of training did you get for $2500 during the season? Been there done that, get out now people. They cater to the players they deem exceptional or elite and all the others keep feeding the machine. Ones that leave will be replaced by girls who really think they made something big, when its all about you replacing funds
Looks like GS has updates and teams have moved to show a little more accuracy.
FCV is a good team. PF is just an avg team
10:40. MF black advanced to finals in Bethesda. Keep scrolling all the way down to the 6th or 7th group.
MF Black lost the final - to an NPL club - or you;d have read more about them here
Got soccer will be more accurate if they manually enter pre ECNL and NE NPL Fall results. My top 101. PDA Storm2. MF pre ECNL3. Wildcats4. PDA North5. MF NPL6. STA7. PDA South8. Crush9. TSF10? Could put about 4 to 5 teams in this spotThis is how I would rank the current U13 NJ teams based on Fall results. I have a sleeper team that I think could move into top ten by then end of Spring...PDA Shore Fusion.
The only change I would make is PDA South ahead of STA. Other than that I agree.
I haven't seen PDA North, STA, or TSF, but I agree with the relative positioning of the other teams.
Has PDA North done enough to be ahead of MF NPL? Has PDA South fallen that far? Has STA been consistant enough to be a top 6 team? Have the Wildcats done enough to be ahead of the ECNL teams? Where would NJSCA stand?
"FCV is a good team. PF is just an avg team "PF is 3-1-1 against PDA pre-ECNL, MF pre-ECNL, Wildcats, MF NPL, and PDA South. Are the top teams in NJ "just avg" as well?
Problem with ranking is not enough head to head and where do the "points" come from?PDA north- has gotten better but needs to relax as they really have not beaten anybody that they lost to many times. That being said they have not lost to a bad team either.MF NPL- same thing. Not beaten many top teams but have not lost and only gave up 2-3 goals this Fall.Wildcats- tough team but got all their points by beating STA and Calvert once. 15K plus point for just beating those two teams. But have not lost to many teams.PDA Ajax has lost to these teams and would be slightly behind them.STA- do not believe belongs in the same group with the teams above based on results.Think that puts all of them somewhat level to each other, no?Can we now move on?
9:03 All fair questions-PDA North finished ahead of MF NPL in league play. Could easily flip them-PDA South with loses to MF NPL and PDA North drops for me. I was 50/50 on PDA South or STA-STA- 2losses to Wildcats but otherwise solid. Beat WC ECNL team in final of Aug Tournament.-Wildcats are listed behind both NJ ECNL teams.-NJSCA could be one of those teams at #10. Had a hard time overlooking that bad lose to MF Black.Just one Dads opinion based more on Fall Got Soccer results and League Standings.
There will be a lot of movement with GS points once the fall 2013 points fall off and the fall league games are added. The one wildcard is will GS points be added for NPL teams in the fall. The standings are based on a full season.
PDA North has very few if any quality wins - and may be placed a tad high in your ranks. But nice work. Thanks.
STA doesnt need me defending them, but they beat TWO ECNL teams since late August and have not stumbled in NJ vs any team nipping at their heels in the ranks (losses to 2 pretty good NY teams and Calvert aside)Havent solved Wildcats yet - and cant be faulted for not having faced MF or PDA more often - DID tie PDA Storm in the one key test.2-0-1 vs ECNL - that's legit.
9:30 - sorry your facts are wrong.PF's record against those teams is 2w-3l-1tNo NJ's top teams are not avg. I agree with most on the board that PDA and MF are the top of NJ, possibly of the NE region.
Agree with 9:30am -Wildcats thought FCV slightly best but PF and Md were both very good.Certainly on same competitive level as PDA Storm and MF ECNL in NJ.Great skill, size and speed all over the field on both teams, with quality depth all the way to 18th player.
I think you are conflating PF pre-ECNL and PF NPL.PF pre-ECNL beat NJX (now MF NPL) 2-0 at DelcoPF pre-ECNL beat PDA South 2-0 at SpiritPF pre-ECNL lost to PDA pre-ECNL 0-2 during fall pre-ECNL seasonPF pre-ECNL beat MF pre-ECNL 2-1 during fall pre-ECNL seasonPF pre-ECNL tied Wildcats 0-0 at BethesdaThat's 3-1-1.PF NPL lost 0-1 to PDA South during fall NPL seasonPF NPL tied MF NPL 1-1 during fall NPL seasonI don't know if PF NPL has ever played PDA pre-ECNL, MF pre-ECNL, or Wildcats.
WC ECNL is the very bottom of that league.... Not sure what that program will do at this age for next year unless the recruit like crazy.
PF NPL lost to PDA North in fall NPL.
Right. PF NPL has a W-D-L of 0-1-2 against that proposed NJ Top 10.But PF pre-ECNL is 3-1-1 against that Top 10. I was just wondering how that can be considered "average".
Anytime you have to use a team or league to see how your team stacks up then that league or team is the "standard" and by definition better than the team or league that needs the comparison to legitimize their value.non Ecnl leagues will compare themselves to ecnl leagues.ECNL better.Wildcats will always justify their valve based on how many ecnl teams they tie or beat. Ecnl teams are better.when a team or league becomes the standard of measurement, then they become the better team.I don't think Matchfit parents are saying, "we need to beat this wildcat team" in order to see how good we are.On the contrary, most are holding their nose , knowing that the game will be a ping pong direct physical match and they hope no one on their team gets hurt.Parents cringe playing these style teams because they know its not the "beautiful game"When you hear parents say big and tough and physical, it code for we will hit, hit hit. The more skill you acquire, the less brutality you have to employ.Don't get me wrong, soccer is a physical first to the ball game but that should be a compliment to a very skill full on the ground game that players have to find away to maneuver out of tight spaces with great passing and significant foot work.
PFThe only thing that matters is that your team only tied the Wildcats this weekend. Therefore by definition you are average.Stop confusing everyone with all this wins and losses stuff!
10:47 can't leave them alone can you
So basically Wildcats in same exact place they were one year ago. Weak State cup aside what has improved?
All I know is wildcats were in same flight as MF ecnl in delco and bethesda and by tournament rules and tiebreakers finished ahead of them both events.No one is arguing ecnl overall strongest league, but that doesn't mean every team in that league is better than top teams in other leagues.And certainly nothing to justify being ranked over wildcats.Game would be a toss-up clearly going by results vs common opponents.Funny to see you are rationalizing why you won't match-up with us because we are too physical and you might get hurt.Just know we are ready to matchup anytime.Talk is cheap and anyone can throw out insults on an anonymous blog without having to back it up.We take on all comers, win some, lose some, but duck no one.
The difference is the ECNL teams are grinding more against better talent every weekend in their league where the EDP is notably weak. No grind in that league. At this age all of these "top" games are a toss up to some degree. Again, which path is best for next level? Constantly playing tough teams or circling 3-5 big games a season on the calendar and just because game is a tie you claim you are as good now. Isn't it about the quality of soccer played. It will make a difference moving forward. See both academy clubs history versus the other programs..... Tough to knock.
MF Pre ECNL and Wildcats set up a scrimmage please.The sidelines might be the best part.
well then since you have all the big ecnl games all the time, your results should be better in tournaments
There are weak pre ECNL teamsWhy do we have to keep reminding you of this?
On the contrary, most are holding their nose , knowing that the game will be a ping pong direct physical match and they hope no one on their team gets hurt.Parents cringe playing these style teams because they know its not the "beautiful game"When you hear parents say big and tough and physical, it code for we will hit, hit hit. The more skill you acquire, the less brutality you have to employ.Don't get me wrong, soccer is a physical first to the ball game but that should be a compliment to a very skill full on the ground game that players have to find away to maneuver out of tight spaces with great passing and significant foot work."Bravo well said! We too cringe, every time our team plays the wildcats. We hold our breath that no one gets hurt.
Plenty of tough games vs best teams each season is you attend top flight of 3 tournaments per season as Cats do.ecnl teams don't attend nearly as many tournaments (see storm) so it all works out.all 3 top teams playing plenty of competition.Only way to decide who is better is to matchup on the field.
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