Oh and I heard a few kids had to opt out due to illness. It's been a horrible season for flu. Let's go Spring.
I really don't get the back and forth between GDA and ECNL.Think back in the days - kids played club then tried out for ODP. The BDA came around and said why don't we make ODP year round and include more players, so instead of USYS running the show the USSF took over with the BDA. Nothing was done on the girls side so the ECNL was formed to do what the BDA did for boys,with one major difference:BDA >>> College >>> Pro >>> NTECNL >>> College >>> NT (not to many girls go pro)Years past and the USSF saw the cash cow that is girls soccer is and of course the other countries in the world are almost equal now and most play a better game just don't have the athletes we do so the GDA was formed.just like BDA kicked ODP to the curb, the GDA is kicking ODP and the ECNL to the curb. The USSF or the United State Soccer Federation is the top of the pyramid for any kid with big dreams!
"Not too many girls go pro"MORE every year
Soccer has made acronyms marketable. It's exhausting to try to keep up and expensive.
What about the girl who as a junior or even a sophomore already has a college commitment? Why go GDA? College is the more realistic goal and it may already be in reach. Have fun, save time and money and stay HS/ECNL.
Seems like some are nervous about their high school programs, now. Anyone who wants to play high level, will likely not play high school. Why is this such a shock? The boys have been doing this for years.
And look where it's gotten them.
More torn ACLs per game in ECNL/DA or in high school play?Just curiousI know nobody will have an exact answer but what do you think?
Until I see our Men's national team compete international I firmly believe USSF DA programs are failures. With that said just focus your own and your daughter's energy on finding and playing at a good college system. Becuase 10 years from now women's soccer will mirror the failure of the Men's side.
and you should focus on spelling.
Players who are committing as Freshman and Sophomores will most likely be pushed by their college coaches to play DA. The colleges will want them to play with higher level players on a constant basis. With the DA, it is no longer necessary to play with your HS team, because club ball doesn't start until late October. Stronger players need to play with stronger players to be challenged.
1:00 pm - i agree with you, but all I am saying is no one has any uproar anymore about the boys not playing high school. Soccer is unique in that club is where kids go that want to play beyond high school. Unlike soccer, some sports still have college coaches that come to high school games because they don't have sophisticated club levels or no club levels at all. High school soccer is going to go back to back yard soccer, unfortunately.
High school soccer sucks. There's no quality to it. It's for the girls to want to play with friends and see their names in the paper. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that if that's what they want. It depends on what level they want to play after high school.
The college does not care if they are playing ECNL or DA. Certainly the message at PF on the boys side is you don’t need the DA to go on to play D-I college soccer. The same will be said of the GDA, since college players will continue to come mainly from ECNL and GDA programs.
All I can say is WOW!Haven't read this blog in a while...so it was fun to catch up but the last few days have been ridiculous!Your daughter can choose where she wants to play, end of it!If you don't like the rules with one program, find another....simple and done!
8:53 - on the boys' side, USYS still has merit. But, with ECNL, now it will drop in level of play. But your top commits come from the DA for the boys. It will be the same for the girls, too. Will ECNL gals still get recruited? Of course. But it will be the GDA vs. ECNL, USYS and NPL. Where do you think most coaches are starting their search?
@3:36 pm - interesting. What about injuries in general like high ankle sprains, stress fractures, concussions, broken or sprained arms and wrists? I see more of these injuries in high school than club. And sometimes these high ankle sprains are the worse as far as healing properly. Many are as a result of the horrible refs allowing play to become mortal combat than soccer and overuse from 5 days of training followed by 4 days of back to back games.
7:42It's not just HS soccer, it's all HS sports they will have to give up. Many of these girls are multi sport phenomenal athletes. USSF is asking, these girls to give up a big part of their adolescence, to emulate a system that is failing on the boys side. HS ECNL teams mostly shut down or limit training over the fall. If you want to play school ball, great. If you want to take three months off, great. If you want to skip high school ball and pay someone for additional training for three months, great. Not sure why this isn't an option. Most college coaches are too busy during their own season to come watch many games anyway. Focus on the other 9 months and let the girls just have fun with their friends for 3 months.
Not all sports. Each club decides. Our club is fine with winter sports.Again, choose what you want. They aren't going to change the rules for you.Nobody is "forcing" anyone. This isn't Obama care.
Of course they're forcing her. If my kid wants to play in the so-called top-tier and play high school ball, too bad, USSF is forcing her to choose.
The other big issue with the DA is how many girls will choose other sports rather than commit at U12 to soccer. I see this as the greatest long-term downside of the DA. The best athletes, the one that shine at multiple sports, will continue to play many sports, just not soccer. So now, soccer gets the most committed athletes, but not the best. This is how the GDA will emulate the Boys DA.
10:54She knows the rules of both options beforehand and then chooses.She's not being forced.
Again, she is still being FORCED to chose. If she's good enough to play DA(and she is) makes it to all practices/games etc. what business is it of theirs what she does with the rest of her time? If they give her a scholarship, maybe. But otherwise it's her time and she should be free to spend it how she chooses, and if that's with her friends playing school ball, then that's her choice. This is still America right?
:)So she can therefore choose to not play DA. No one is forcing her to play DA.You're teaching her "victim" thinking.
So you think your daughter can practice and play games everyday after school plus saturdays sometimes and then also train 4 times per week with the DA?
Some of the issue is that hs soccer is not the same season uniformly. Maybe if regions had the same hs soccer seasons, that could be an option for the future. Basketball is universally played in the winter. Softball in the spring. Field hockey & cross country in the fall; indoor during winter season and outdoor during spring. Soccer, lacrosse, volleyball, golf, etc. hs seasons seem to vary based on regions and leagues.
indoor track in winter and outdoor track in spring
11:35No, I'm teaching her to be strong independent young women who refuses to let anyone tell her she can't do something. Quite the opposite.
AgreedMy daughter will tryout this spring, make the academy team. She will then wait for the first day of play for GDA and march in protest wearing a soccer ball around her head (the vagina costume got wet)She will then pursue throwing javelin in the spring, as a track&field school star. This will definitely help her as the no.1 striker on her team.My bad, she may have some birthday parties to attend instead of playing top region 1 games, as the future Mia.
11:35So 2 training sessions per day or a game and a training session during the week and one game per weekend? She's been doing that for the last 3 falls since Jr High. And then she comes home and shoots hoops in the driveway. And if you think that's just too much, maybe check out the training/game schedule of the colleges your kid is looking into. But again, my preference would be for Clubs, ECNL, DA etc to shut down over the fall. Maybe we could get those club coaches to coach HS and improve the coaching there as well. Win/Win
I assume you meant 11:43Read again...I mentioned the school ball schedule and then ADDED the GDA training.Nearly impossible to do both.
12:39 - sure but not all kids play hs in fall. That is the problem.
Yes I am aware . A state like VA would either switch to fall or the DAs located in that state would take a break in the spring. 9 months for DA training, 3 months school ball, off, or whatever. Doesn't matter which season it's just taking Club off in fall makes more sense for recruiting reasons. Again it's basically what ECNL does. There's a reason they(ECNL) didn't go this route, it's because they got a lot of negative feedback every time it was Brought up. Now it's going to be their biggest "selling point" in what will be a battle for top players.
DA teams play each other. They can't just choose what season of school ball and quit playing...
Of course they can. I believe Connecticut has rules against their student athletes playing club ball at the same time school ball is being played. So the ECNL teams simply play their entire league schedule during the other nine months. Even if a team you need to schedule a game with takes a different season off, you still have 6 months you are both playing to schedule the game. But it's a moot point as I'm sure USSF has little intention on doing this.
12:48 Not impossible at all. School ball training or games run 3-4:30 M-F. Club practice runs 7:30-9 M-R. That's 3 hours in between to eat and do homework. No club practice on Friday night so plenty of time to go to the home football game or hang out the mall. GDA play 1 game per weekend and with 28 girls rostered and only 14 playing most girls will only see the field once every 2-3 week(fun!). So there's most of the weekend off to hang out and take care of larger school projects. What's the problem? It's only for 12 weeks. Of course the ECNL gives our girls basically off for those 12 weeks understanding how important the social aspects of playing school ball are, especially for girls. The USSF is failing to recognize this.
Getting this info from the U14(2003) blog is this true about Cedar Stars about applying for a 2nd Girls DA team for next year. "CSA is taking over lots of clubs in NJ any NY - and soon will most likely be getting another DA license to play in both Monmouth as well as Bergen counties (Ramsey?). They have money and the National Team coach on staff. They get what they want."
Big GDA news coming out of Orangeburg, its big, big, big....
It's huuuuugeTo most previous postersPlay school ballDoneStop whining
When asked if forbidding girls from playing HS ball by the new GDA was a good idea Anson Dorrance said "No". Sorry but I'll take his opinion over the fools at the USSF any day.
Every coach I have spoke to says the same thing, including DOC of PDA.
Dorrance is still upset at ussf for red shirt ordeal last fall
I don't care either way, but boys DA programs have training pretty much right after school. Most boys DA programs can start training at 5pm, sometimes earlier for teams with players that are able to drive to training. The DA coaches love it because they are able to leave training by 7:30-8pm. One DA team is required to train on a half field with the coaching staff (more than one coach). There is a very good chance that teams U16 and older will train in the early time slot and the younger teams in the 6:00pm or later. U18 and U16 teams in the 5-6:30pm and U14 and U12 teams in the 6:30-8pm slot. Ask people that play for PDA, Continental or Union boys DA programs when they train. I am pretty certain the DA teams have the early time slots. Also, the DA will not let you play high school and DA in the same season if you get a waiver. The USSF rule is you cannot do both in the same season.
Did all these GDA clubs think they would be able to keep their teams in the ECNL too? Like the ECNL wants their B teams. Sounds like the ECNL is saying you're either all in or out to most clubs. There are a number of clubs that are going to have to make a decision. I would bet you will see a few more pull a Match Fit before it's all settled. The ECNL is THE place to get your kid top college exposure and they aren't going to give up the mantle easily. Even upped the ante by starting a boys league. And for every PF that drops out a BRYC will climb on board. But financially speaking, how does a club go from 4 ECNL teams with 25 girls paying 3000 each ($300,000), down to 2 GDA teams with 28 girls and, after 10 scholarships, 18 per team paying $3000 each($108,000)? Who's making up the $192,000 difference? USSF covers about 1 scholarship per team on the boys side. The NWSL is barely hanging on. The NPL players are now demoted to the C league, so I doubt they are going to be willing to pay more to supplement the GDA. Coaches taking a pay cut? Ha! And wait till some of these parents realize their kid only gets to dress for 1 game every other weekend or worse, shell out a couple hundred to travel to an away game overnight that their kid doesn't even get to play in. And for that they are supposed to give up being stars on their HS teams and hope that maybe they get the same exposure they would be guaranteed in the ECNL? Good luck! This whole thing will likely be in an Obama Care type death spiral in 3 years and set back women's soccer in this country a decade. But hey, what do I care, my kid will be in college by then.
Maybe we should have a separate DA blog. This is getting old already.
Sounds like any player desiring to pursue either venue, ecnl or da should contact the club in question and ask some questions.Everyone here has their own opinion and that's all it comes down to. Make the best decision for your daughter and move on with it.Not one person here reading this blog is going to change their mind reading the nay sayers for either side. Just like facebook posts don't change your mind politically. You can read and move one or read and reply defensively trying to be right bc you have the only answer that is correct!I have read any good, factual statements about the gda and have also read many things that are just opinions. All good, just pick one and go!!
Good idea. Hey blog administrator, can you do this as above suggested? Thank you!On the person railing against GDA, it's not for everyone. No need to impune. So, for those of us that will be exploring it for our kids because that is what they want to do and the sacrifices they are willing to make, see you on the new GDA blog.
I also am sick of the same talk. Go with whatever your daughter wants, end of story. Who cares what anyone else does. My daughter will be playing DA but no one else should care about that and I could care less what anyone else's kid is doing. Can we please start a new discussion? Maybe Jeff cup? Predictions are always fun.
So the top division has been discussed, let's look at 3rd, Elite Blackhttp://events.gotsport.com/events/schedule.aspx?EventID=53446&GroupID=540926&Gender=Girls&Age=16Thoughts and opinions?Big region 1 presence
10:11DA teams/conferences are set70 clubs
Re: NPL and being "C league"With the top ECNL players going academy, who says NPL conferences like NYCSL and EDP dont take a run at ECNL in terms of talent level?I'd put many of the current U16s in NPL against Match Fit and the newer ECNL additions in the northeast.
That’s great, but this is a u15 blog, that includes the Jeff Cup post.
Goes for U15 as well20 Jersey kids, 40 in NYE from U15s going academy.
Jefferson Cup 2017 Championship Winner: SJEB Rush 02Elite Orange Winner: North United FCElite Black Winner: South Shore Select
PACNorth UnitedSouth Shore
Yes I agree PAC will come out on top in the top division. They were strong at U14 and retained many of the 02 players with additions. Most likely the strongest U15 team in the PA area PDA will take the other side. Great match to watch PAC vs PDA.
Chanpionship - CLEVELANDElite Orange - OALWOODElite Black - SUSA ISA
Heh - OAKWOOD - my bad
Change of subject, has anyone heard anything about the new recruiting changes in DI re contact with proposed recruit? Have they been approved and when will they be implemented?
11:18 - check US Soccer and the DA website. It's on there.
Thanks, my badI thought there was new info. Seen this
The GDA couldn't find anyone with more experience to head the program?
Rosie O'Donnell wasn't availableShe's on her way to Canada
I love the Rush parent predicting the BIG win at Jeff Cup! I think Rush is going to get crushed!
@12:16 - she has a lot of international experience and has been around the game forever. It's a solid pick. She is going to get the girls ready to play overseas as well. And, wants to promote the leadership roles as far as girls and coaching. Most likely, future college and academy head coaches will come from these GDA ladies. It's probably a soccer distinction that will be needed on one's resume at some point.
I guess the head of ECNL turned them down.
Just read up on her, this is what took them over a year to find? I have been around the game forever too, you wouldn't want me running this train wreck.
10:36- PAC and PDA are in the same Group. Only one will go to championship.Group A is loaded, Group B teams not as exciting. A- it'll be a battle for sure. B- no clue really. Not familiar with SJEB 02 team.
100% a team from B wins the final.
Who? No chance
Sounds like World Class won't be fielding GDA teams in the fall either. Going to farm them out to NYCFC so they can keep their ecnl teams and the $ they bring in. We'll see how many of the other ecnl clubs have a change of heart now that the ecnl has given them an ultimatum that they can't do both.
ECNL gave that ultimatum some time ago.
Just saw Whitney Engen is walking away from the Boston Breakers and Carli Lloyd just signed a pro contract with Manchester city. Top players continue to retire or defect to Europe on an almost weekly basis. At this rate I'm not even sure how long the NWSL holds on.
Yes but every club thought they were going to make exceptions.
The WCFC and NYCFC partnership must be the big news that was mentioned previously, very interesting development. If true, that sets up a whole new dynamic for the GDA, in that perhaps other MLS clubs will get involved, or perhaps NYCFC will start a NWSL franchise in a few years. For any female player with aspiration of pro, or NT exposure, this has got to be the place to be. There will be dozens of college scouts at their showcase games, with scholarships in-hand.
Have never heard about the ecnl rule. We were told that girls can move up from ecnl to play GDA during fall when others leave to play HS. And there could be as many as 7 allowed to play HS Ball and will be approved by DOC.
There will be no NWSL in a few years, it's not federal funded. Even if it stays around, it's a part time, low paying job. After college only chance to continue dream is natl team. All this for thirty spots among tens of thousands of elite players over ten years plus of age groups. And very subjective in the end. Think college as a realistic end game,
I agree, there is no future for 99% of all female players past college, so the GDA is just an additional revenue stream for USSF, nothing more. ECNL will continue to be the top league in this country for the near future, and my daughter is more than happy where she is, even if her HS team sucks, she likes the other girls, and its not that bad being the best player in her school, as a freshman.
Narcissism is a beautiful thing!Plus she may get her name in the paper!!! Yay!
7:57, spoken like a real man, push your CPAC morals on everyone else, FU : )
haha, just put a smiley face after FU and it's all good!The political butt hurt comes out everywhere!!!
7:43 - somebody has to stand out in high school. I run into some that peaked in high school. "glory days" I normally tip them well.
And they probably put a little "extra" in your food.
HOLD ON, SLOW DOWN!!! Yes, their are huge opportunities over seas for professional soccer for our young girls. remember that. It is much bigger over seas, number one in all time slots, stadiums are packed, sold out, Germany, South America, even Mexico sells out many games. The girls side can be an option for women soccer players over seas to continue a career.
Something tells me that Mexico and Germany may not be all that welcoming to Americans wanting to work there for the time being. Better plan on sticking it out in the "great again" old usa.
12:28 - kind of hard to do as the uber driver.
@12:49 - agreed. And, may be why WNT players are heading overseas, too.
1228 Ha Thus the reason why NWSL players are going over seas not because better training because more $. Uber Drivers make more money than the a NWSL player.
Why would you not go and play the game you love for better money?These ladies are also going to some good clubs overseasEspecially if you're shoe in for NT already
You are talking top players with a NT rep. Not true for others - but each has an individual story."The minimum salary for an NWSL player is $6,842 for the course of the six-month season; the maximum is $37,800, made primarily by international-level players. The team salary cap for 20 players is $265,000, which doesn’t include the top U.S., Canadian and Mexican players who play on club teams but whose salaries are paid by their respective federations." YES the USSF pays their salary and you want GDA to be free also?"WSL from anywhere from £5000-£10000 on the lower spectrum for players who aren't professional up to around the £35,000 mark for the top earners. “The majority of centrally contracted players earn about £20,000 from their clubs, but there are players in the WSL who are on as little as £50 a week”.German "Clubs provide players with jobs. So it is hard differentiate what they earn from playing at what they get from their other jobs. Most players probably can get a long with their pay but there's not much left for after the career.""Sweden may be a candidate for point 3 since female Soccer players earn about the same as in Germany and France""In France l'equipe had a great article about the economy of women's football. Number of professional player is 96 out of 234 in the Division 1 feminine.Highest wage is 17 000€/month for Lotta Schelin average wage is 3 700€ per month. The average wage figure is distorted by the PSG and OL contracts, without those 2 teams the avarage wage is below 1 000€ per month"
My point is they are going over seas for the quality of play not the money or maybe the money for some.Untile they come up with a World leagueNWSL - North American ConferenceUEFA - European ConferenceJapan - Asian Conferencetake the top 2 teams every year and play a champions league with some serious $$$ payouts the womesn game will never get paid. What I just would be easy for TV and stadiums would be full if you market the right way. But then again I have an idea for pro/rel in the USA also for the MLS. MLS1 = 18 teams and MLS2 relegate 6 of the 24 teams from MLS1 and add the 12 cities that want an expansion team - two leagues of 18 teams. Work out a revenue sharing plan first to pay back teams their expansion fees then add MLS3 and let teams earn the revenue earned. Simple.
Carli and Alex both are headed overseas. Both, were on the "Equal Pay" campaign for US Mens v. Women's team. Funny, how both crossed the pond but each is getting 7 figures. Now, the pay is not wrapped up in team salary. Signing bonus, appearance fees, european sponsors not counting US sponsors. Carli and Alex are both huge draws in Europe. Carli is the FIFA player of the year! More players are going to head over. Look for Hope Solo to be next. She is in Europe now "vacationing!"
They deserve 7 figuresHope is also far away from cops and courtrooms in Europe :)
plenty of opportunity for ladies in future years. Coaching, training, any college coach or asst coach is going to make decent money. And they can also play wpsl, or whatever, nwsl. Then train, coach on the side. One team can create revenue of $5-$10,000 per year in training and coaching, maybe more if a doc or private training. A ladies soccer career certainly go on and on till you retire especially now that more ladies are playing. look at u16, u15 etc.AD positions, so on and so forth.
And Yes, Hope will find a home in Europe I believe. 7 figures, sure, why not. girls love soccer like boys. hence why we are on this blog.
HaHa pay to play to train in U.S. from youth levels only to move on over seas. Do I see something wrong with that picture. Isn't it the other way around for other sports in the U.S. players flock to our professional teams Hockey, Basketball, Baseball. Again you people are looking at it all backwards. Build up the soccer brand here in the U.S. pay the women a better market value and market the MLS/NWSL better. Build it and they will come!
Why rob a bank? "Thats where the money is!" Why play overseas? Thats where the money is!! Simple terms. Longevity in professional soccer is short. Go to where soccer is loved!!! Why do you think baseball players defect from their own countries to play here... TO GET PAID!!! They did build it, and they came but they built baseball and not soccer. Then we took the word football, the worldwide term for our beloved sport and gave it a new identity with helmets, pads, and an oblong ball that cannot be dribbled and paying these players millions. Oh well!! Have great weekend!
Jeff Cup Predictions:ChampionshipNJEB Rush over PDA Very tough call, like Pipeline a lot...Elite OrangeNorth United over NJ WildcatsCASL ECNL is the darkhorse here...Elite BlackSouth Shore over NJ CrushHMMS has had a rough year, can they rebound...
Lol Rush your smoking crack. How about stop fantasizing and making predictions and let the girls play and then come in this stupid form and say wow great job girls!
Agree with Rush - they are playing well again after the age group change. PDA should be a good challenge though.
Here's my prediction. Rush doesn't make it out of the bracket.
Isnt that the same Rush that Pipeline and PAC both beat at Bethesda?
Same team went 10-3 since then losing once to a lower ranked team.Penn fusion and pipeline are within .5 ranking points - they have a good chance of winning too.
10am, why don’t you just take your soccer ball, and go home, no one wants to play with you...
What points?Got soccer? Really believe you are that good?What happened last year when you went out west and played real teams?
Because Got Soccer is so accurate with their rankings????? Ha! The only thing you can judge these teams by is what they have done since Fall. Rush won't win JC. Either will PF. Mediocre performances at best so far. PDA will.
Gotsoccer? that's so yesterday dude. Youthsoccer rankings gives a clear picture based on the teams they played and the score in those games.38.05 SJEB RUSH ACADEMY BLUE (NJ) 37.85 PIPELINE SC BLACK (MD) 37.47 WORLD CLASS FC ECNL (NYE) 37.43 PENN FUSION SA ECNL (PAE)37.35 NJ WILDCATS AVERBUCH NPL (NJ)37.22 NORTH UNITED SC FC RUSH (PAW)37.04 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY STORM ECNL (NJ)And this includes all their games played regardless. SJEB would be the favorite by a goal head to head vs Storm based on their games played this season. Storm's score might below since they played only 3 games but it will adjust once they start playing their league games. But as of now -SJEB tops in the region, let's check back after Jefferson cup and see if they still are.
LOL! You people and your rankings.
My daughters team played Rush in the Fall. I was not impressed with anything i saw so this talk is a head shaker.
The PDA teams do NOT chase points! When will you all get it through your heads! The teams are all changed this year and I guarantee the PDA teams are going to Crush these other teams. Like what I did with that? (Crush). Again I am predicting Rush will not make it out of the bracket so we'll see in a few weeks. For you Rush parents, PDA will have some openings this tryout rotation due to the DA so come on up and try your luck!
Rush is not very good. They have a couple good girls but not a ton of technical skill love to kick and chase. PA Classics plays a much nicer controlled game of soccer. Pipeline big and fast and athletic. Not that skilled. Like to kick and chase as well.
This is the year kick and run teams collapse. As the good teams have been training their kids to play the game gracefully. Lots of control and passing. The defenders will be matched step for step with the fast forwards. These kids have all evened out for the most part regarding speed. Teams are doing speed and agility and lifting weights now. U15 soccer is the real deal and we will see who is left standing in May. So enough with you parents bragging about got soccer points and rankings it means zero! See you all in May to see which of you are crying and making excuses!
7:44 I would agree. Have seen all 3 play. There will be some great games I'm sure. Colleges will certainly be present.
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