To 3:05,2:15 said that no one "from Legacy" is claiming that they are #1. Which is true. I am not affiliated with Legacy. But I've seen them play this fall, so I provided my opinion based on what I saw.10:22
3:18 that's fine and I tried to either support your opinion or provide details to not support it. Nothing wrong with that, is there?3;12 Funny :)2:51 I say Bracket 1 comes down to Copa vs Boca and Bracket 2 is between FC Bucks and Samba.FC Bucks vs FC Copa in Final but I can see Boca playing in Final as well, either way I give the nod to FC Bucks winning. Keep in mind this is an idiot's opinion on u13 Girls soccer being played this weekend. Bethesda this weekend as well
2:34In response to "what they change overnight?" Well yea!5 new players all start. Top girls from 5 different clubs 2 state odp 1 reg. 2 more just as good! 8v 8 vs 11v11 night and day. Add to that a couple girls thriving in new possistions a couple growth spurts and a new coach and that isnt even the same team. You want to determine the top teams right now in fall of 2014 at 11v11, 8v8 results from last yr might as well be u-92:58I dont know when your daughter plays school ball but here in pa its fall. Thats mean 2 practices or game and practice most nights. Rest and days off? Ha!
Middle school plus club doesnt make much sense to me.And when its freshman and club......club practices cannot be attended religiously.
Hard to deny them the experience, riding the bus to games together, playing with their best friends, wearing the school colors against their clubmates schools. Thats one of the great parts of being kids in school
4:01 yeah that would do it - it's a new team i get it.Any reason they stayed local this fall instead of trying to compete against teams from NJ, NYE, MA & CT? or is the philosophy beat up on the locals first then join the Region 1 Champions League in the Spring in addition to Jefferson and Delco. I hope you guys get some tough teams applying to the Region 1 Champions League, because it looks like you out grew PAGS. I would like to compare PL but there is no body of work
Hey poster who told of blog where they respect teams and parents don't attack other kids teams and coaches. Can you post that site?I for one wold love to switch to a site where there is respect for all teams and discussion is based on what happens on the soccer field, not personal grudges and parents having an axe to grind with old clubs/teams.Can you post this blog address?Thanks a lot.
PL guy do you think PL would have done better than LVU and Harford, 2 former PAGS teams in EDP.GS loves both of them, but they struggled this year playing teams outside of PAGS.LEHIGH VALLEY UNITED LVU 01 GIRLS GP8, W2, L2, L4, GF6, GA11HARFORD FC UNITED THUNDER GP7, W1, T3, L3, GF6, GA7
5:06Legacy did tie both the top 2 finishers on the same day, beat them both in PK's the next morning. Beat the 4th and 5th place teams by 3 goals and 4 goals respectively at Discovery, so I think they would have held their own just fine in that league. I think our girls would have loved the challenge of those teams week in and out. Maybe next yr. As for LVU and Harford, it's hard for me to view those results as struggling. A lot of ties and 1 goal decisions. Isn't that exactly where we want our girls to be right now? Prob a lot of those games could have gone either way, both very good teams IMO. Something tells me both will be just fine long before the college college scouts start coming around.
who did STA play yesterday?
Hi guys i live in toms river . I'm a parent of a pda fusion player . Have a question . How many ecnl teams can pda have . I've been hearing 2 teams in ecnl at u13 . Few girls did go to storm and play .
ECNL Shut outsMF 7 shut outs out of 11 gamesPDA 5 shut outs out of 8 gamesEast Meadow 6 shut outs out of 9 gamesBoston 1 shut outs out of 11 gamesFC Starts- 3 shut outs out of 11 gamesPenn Fusion 3 shut outs out of 11 gamesThis is why MF, PDA and EM are top teams at this age group. DEFENSE!
Just ONE TEAM ONLY
What team will be ecnl team at pda . We were told 2 teams playing ecnl . Thats what we were told . Thank you
2:58 Thanks coach
It really doesn't matter: by u14, PDA will be very tough to beat. Not saying impossible but they just keep adding layers to the onion!Teams will have to keep up and I only see a couple of ECNL teams challenging them for supremacy.
PDA will tell you whatever it is to keep you writing those checks.One team PDA is concerned about.Proof is when they bring the better players to play on that one team.They have to tell the other THREE teams whatever it is to keep them writing checks.If they cared about all of there other teams doing well they would not be moving there best players off that team.
10:58 Shhh Don't tell the Lemmings our secrets!
They are eating their money. None if the non Storm teams are any good.
It really is a shame for the PL girls. It seems as if they have a decent team for this age, but neither their parents nor the club seems to understand that they need to play better competition. As they get older and other clubs continue to play against top level competition, PL simply won't have enough experience nor be deep enough to play consistently at that level. Luckily for them, they won't have to do worry about that in PAGS.
Hi I am a matchfit parent, we were told that we would be the ecnl team, that's what we were told.Now I going to respond to my own question anonymously in a couple of minutes. So transparent
New York Club Soccer League - NPL Division17 (7) New York Soccer Club NPL-0112 (6) STA NPL-0110 (7) Intense Soccer Academy NPL-0110 (6) Manhattan Soccer Club NPL-019 (6) NJ Crush FC NPL-016 (6) Massapequa SC NPL-015 (6) Quickstrike FC NPL-010 (6) New York Rush NPL-01No games November 15/16The Fall Season ends Novemebr 23rd.New York Soccer Club NPL-01 hasalready clinched the Fall title and GS grand prize for the fall. But more importantly has a leg up going into the Spring and controle their own destinySTA vs NY Rush STA should collect 3 points vs NY Rush. This will put them at 15 2 points behind going into Spring and a must win game vs NYSC on March 22, 2015.Quickstrike FC vs Manhattan SCManhatten with a tie or a win will jump into 3rd and collect more GS points in addition to climbing within 4 points of the lead and very much in the race to Indianapolis. Massapequa SC vs NJ Crush FC NJ Crush trying to salvage their fall with a win while Massapequa trying to tie them in the standings. NJ Crush once was part of the conversation in NJ premier soccer just like can move up to 4th in the standings or mat stay put tied for 5th with Massapequa in a 8 team league.
NPL Virginia 2014-1524 (9) PRINCE WILLIAM SOCCER22 (9) VIRGINIA RUSH ATHLETIC CLUB 22 (9) FC VIRGINIA14 (9) NORTHERN VA SOCCER CLUB 11 (8) RICHMOND KICKERS 10 (9) CHESAPEAKE UNITED SOCCER CLUB8 (8) RICHMOND STRIKERS SOCCER CLUB5 (7) ANNANDALE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB 4 (9) CHURCHLAND SOCCER U13G 2 (9) CHESTERFIELD UNITED FC U13G PRINCE WILLIAM SOCCER has won the fall season by holding off Virgina Rush and have joined NYSC and NEFC as Fall 2014 NPL Champions. Lets see ig GS awards manual points to the league and what the flight value is.
New England Girls NPL Fall 2014 FINAL STANDINGS21 NEFC ELITE U13 GIRLS16 OAKWOOD SC12 SEACOAST UNITED ELITE - DR- 01/0210 BAYSIDE FC BOLTS NPL RED 01/0210 YANKEE UNITED F.C. BLAST NPL-01 BLUE6 SYRACUSE DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY SDA U13G4 AZTEC SOCCER GIRLS 01 BLACK 2 GPS-MA NPL NEFC won this NPL's Fall installment with style. Finishing the fall with a +40 goal differental, okay let's say it together WOW. Good job.
Northeast Girls NPL (2014-15)U13 Pre-ECNL 23 (11) Match Fit Academy 0122 (9) East Meadow SC 0121 (11) Boston Breakers Academy 0120 (11) FC Stars of Mass 0120 (8) PDA 0118 (11) Penn Fusion SA 0113 (9) Connecticut FC 0110 (11) Albertson SC 01 8 (8) FSA FC 018 (8) World Class FC 013 (11) Continental FC 01 3 (10) FC Bucks 01Not reportedFC Bucks 01 vs World Class FC 01FSA FC 01 vs East Meadow SC 01 This is the only game scheduled this week, EM should reclaim 1st from MF with a win.To be rescheduled East Meadow SC 01 vs PDA 01 This NPL Flight will bring MAX GS points (10,000) to be divided for it's teams. I am still curious to see if the champion is also awarded a spot in Indianapolis.Whileover in the u13 NPL Flight27 (11) Match Fit Academy 01 25 (9) PDA North 01 22 (8) Connecticut FC 0121 (9) PDA South 01 16 (11) Penn Fusion SA 0113 (11) Boston Breakers Academy 0110 (11) FC Stars of Mass 0110 (7) FSA FC 016 (11) Albertson SC 016 (9) World Class FC 015 (11) FC Bucks 01 5 (10) Continental FC 01Not reportedContinental FC 01 vs FSA FC 01This week's gamesFSA FC 01 vs PDA North 01 Connecticut FC 01 vs PDA North 01 PDA North will finish their fall campaign up north in CT with a chance to finish anywhere from 1st to 4th. They will try to do what no teams has done so far to CFC and that is score a goal. CFC has 8 clean sheets but will be tested against the teamwith 2nd most goals scored in the league.
Eastern Development League (formerly the NPL Division of EDP)Going the the NPL website which still hasn't been updated for the 2014/2015 season has the below club teams. Jersey United is playing a team up an age.NJStallions don't have a team at this age. Should be a walk in the park for the NJ WildcatsFC Copa Academy (NJ)Jersey United Spartans (NJ)Lehigh Valley United (PA)Maryland Rush (MD)New Jersey Rush (NJ)NJ Stallions Academy (NJ)NJ Wildcats (NJ)Smithtown Kickers SC (NY)South Jersey Elite Barons (NJ)TSF Academy (NJ)
That is some powerhouse league...
8:48Thanks for your concern but I can assure you our parents and coaches know exactly where that team needs to be playing in the future. Jeff cup, colonial league, delco, and spirit in last 8 mo. So whats your critism? PAGS? Every game is a 5 yr running cross state rivalry. Some of those teams have some real talent so unless you've seen them play, you have no right to talk it down. Besides league apps were due 2 monthes before team ever played 11v11 together. The bottom 5 teams in ecnl have a goal diff of like -90! That certainly cant be tough games week in and out. Looks like the EDP league was the place to play for top level consistant competion. Legacy played 4 of their 5 top teams this fall and went 2-0-2(or 4-0 if you count the shootouts). Not bad for a team u think doesnt know what they are doing
I've paid my duesTime after time.I've done my sentenceBut committed no crime.And bad mistakes ‒I've made a few.I've had my share of sand kicked in my faceBut I've come through.(And I need just go on and on, and on, and on)We are the champions, my friends,And we'll keep on fighting 'til the end.We are the champions.We are the champions.No time for losers'Cause we are the champions of the world.
One must ask, Champions of what? The B league? You need to see why most laugh. Where is the next step? It is all over now as far as competing with the top. They all move on next year......
Its a joke dickhead, did you leave your sense of humor in your car, along with your daughters cleats, lighten-up, and enjoy the mild weather.
There's that central PA class we've heard so much about...And yes, you are indeed a joke! Come on out to Jersey sometime and play some real teams.
So easy.... The true wa wa white trash always comes out. ANOTHER reason not to be associated with that program.
10:09Wooo! Whats with the central pa rip? Last thing I posted was 9:31. This thread went way off coarse fast!
PA Guy(s),Welcome to the board, there is no love for anyone here, there is no positive info, other than self-serving promotions, its just the competitive landscape of soccer in this region. Either you learn to roll with the punches, give some back, or get the hell out.Have a nice day!
I am from NJ and I for one welcome the PA talk added to the blog. No need to go anywhere.I mean, how much can we hear about the Wildcats, MF and PDA? PA thrown into the mix gives some variety.
PL- congrats on winning Pags and good luck this weekend in Bethesda.
Penn Legacy is not playing in Bethesda.
I am wondering how MF will use their players this weekend in Bethesda. Will be interesting to see who plays on each team. Will they load the ECNL team up with players from the NPL TEAM? Then backload the remaining NPL team with players from Black and Blue teams?
You people are pathetic trashing 12-13 year old girls. Get a life
12:39 MF Coach has no interest in MF NPL players or dysfunctional parents.You were sold a bag of magic beans and have been nothing but a paycheck for the last year and 1/2 you are still in denial about it.
This board is ultra competitive and often unpleasant but soccer landscape is not overly like this board. Plenty of kids and families have a great time with the sport and if they want to read this board, they take all the negativity here with a grain of salt.
PF will beat Wildcats 2-1 this weekend.
I don't know what is worse for this board, when the Wildcats win or when they lose.
The bag of beans is you are with a program that has nothing to offer. The people who are in the MF program already know the kids that will be playing with the ECNL team next year. When they start mixing them is the question. No rush for this as we know there is a "next step" in our program. Go play one of those crazy tough league games and worry about your own program and the dead end road it has driven you down...
But think of all the GS points you will have at that dead end... Seeing it yet?
Sounds like there will be quite a bit of player movement over the winter.
There's always player movement. That is why the better teams get better.
You are right. The top 3 PDA teams, top 2 MF teMs and the Wildcats improved because of player movement.
When you say player movememnt you mean within club or external?I also think the Pre-ECNL clubs that have multiple teams at this age will start preparing for u14. If we look at the u14's this year PA is in control. Will FC Bucks get an infusion of talent as well from - Ukranians, LVU and other local club teams? CFC Delco pull from West-Mont United and Nether United to build up their programs - it looks like these clubs can do what NJ Clubs do as well. When will the ECNL push happen in PA? Will it follow NJ? or NYE?PDA & MF very strongEM & Albertson look like they struggling to pull players as EM doesn't have NPL and Albertson is not doing to hot.Under 14 Northeast Conference01.FC Bucks ECNL U1402. Penn Fusion SA ECNL U14 03. World Class FC ECNL U14 04. Match Fit Academy ECNL U14 05. PDA ECNL U14 06. Continental FC Delco ECNL U14Rank New England Division 01. FC Stars of Mass ECNL U14 02. Boston Breakers Academy ECNL U14 03. Connecticut FC ECNL U14 04. East Meadow Soccer Club ECNL U14 05. FSA FC ECNL U14 06. Albertson Fury ECNL U14
If we look at u14 NPL and try to forcast - FC Stars will be in a good place, they seem to have MA in their back pocket.33 FC Stars of Mass 00 NPL22 PDA North 00 NPL 17 Continental FC 00 NPL16 Match Fit Academy 00 NPL16 PDA South 00 NPL 13 Penn Fusion SA 00 NPL13 FSA FC 00 NPL 12 World Class FC 00 NPL 10 FC Bucks 00 NPL7 Connecticut FC 00 NPL 3 Boston Breakers Academy 00 NPL 1 Albertson SC 00 NPL
I don't know the dynamics of these teams, could the top 3 to 4 players from these teams start looking at PF, FC Bucks and CFC Delco? I'm sure they would be alot stronger. HMMS EAGLE FC 01 SPIRIT LEHIGH VALLEY UNITED LVU 01 GIRLSFC REVOLUTION FORCEYARDLEY MAKEFIELD SOCCER YMS BANSHEES RAGE SC '01 ATHLETICA1776 UNITED FC XTREMESUKRAINIAN NATIONALS BLASTERS BLACKWYOMING VALLEY SC (TRAVEL) WVSCSOUTH LDC UNITED ATTACKHFC READY '01Isn't it better for the star players on these teams to make a move to FC Bucks and CFC Delco two teams that are struggling - once you add 5 to 6 ODP level players the quality of training has just improved as will the product on the field.If that was ever to happen at this age - the ECNL hands down would be the place to be with the 12 teams in division. From top to bottom nothing but quality.Does Long Island ever jump on board? does NYSC lose players to WC? When does this happen? Will it happen? In NJ you have two teams that are almost full so expansion here will be to the NPL teams I can see the same happening in CT and MA those clubs have tons of teams - is PA next? Probably not becasue they would rather spend an extra 1,500 on ODP to get that extra exposure from the sound of things.
The u13/u14 NYSC teams are better than the WC teams, don’t see much movement there...
ODP is a money grab at the younger ages. Why anyone would stay at a lesser club and rationalize it by saying it was ok because they were paying for ODP is ludicrous.As far as girls from other teams in PA moving to PF, Bucks and CFC Delco, I would absolutely expect it to happen like it has in the past. PF and CFC consistently have one or two of their top players coming from central PA. To me, the better question is what happens to today's "hot teams" that lose their better players to the likes of Bucks, CFC and PF in PA in the next two years?
3:00 Why would a girl on lets say a very good YMS team leave a great club to play for an inferior(right now) team just because they have a few cute letters at the end of their name? Are you guys so brainwashed to think great coaching and player development exists no where outside your little ecnl bubble? Look at YMS at 15-17. Those teams will beat any ecnl team 9 times out of 10. Do your clubs actually develop players or just pooch the best they can that other coaches and programs?
Can someone just provide a brief summary on the differences between:ODPUS Soccer Training CenterID2TIPIs there any connection/relationship between the 4?Do all 4 lead to the US Soccer or are they all independent?
All paths in the sport, at this level lead to USSF, that is grail that we all seek. For those that are are chosen for such teams can play for almost any school, the holy full-ride. If that is what you seek, there you must go...
3:00 - I do not think players will be leaving those PA teams to come and play ECNL. As you can tell by post by 3:40 people believe playing inferior competition and winning is better then playing equal or better competition and possible losing.
3;40If a Non ecnl club is lucky enough to have a great coach and a very deep talented team then the girls will stay. Parents will keep them there. However all too often these clubs don't have the depth and a loss of a couple of players that go the ECNL direction can start a Landslide of other players leaving. It sometime becomes like herding cats. I have seen a few of these teams at various age groups that have both succeeded and some, after a few years, have failed to keep their players.The ECNL is a n enticing draw. the marketing and potential collection of talent have been very enticing these past 3 years. and it is getting stronger. this is a challenge for a lot of very fine clubs outside the ECNL. The ownership of most of these clubs know the advantages of the ECNL from both an economic vantage point because of the draw of talent. Elite clubs outside the ECNL are campaigning to get in.Its about the Money!So any Non ecnl team that can keep their girls together and get them to college, I say Rock ON!Great place to be - but it's getting harder and harder to keep the cats in the herd.-Soccer Nut-
Good point soccer nut but any good coach would want to coach for an ECNL club. Will probably get a couple teams and recruiting is much easier.
I would say 3/4 non ECNL teams will survive and may add some players that will help make teams strongerWhich would be good thing for NJ
Agree. The only girls moving would be the best of these other teams. That would hurt those other teams. Not sure how non ECNL team would get better adding other players as those players will most likely be the players that were not good enough to jump to an ECNL team..... There will be movement non the less. Should be interesting
Why? I would move my kid it's not because of the letters ECNL, but because if that happens you would have 12 super teams playing each other 22 times plus 2 additional events (6 to 8 games) in the year where they will have an audience besides parents. SO is the training better, maybe maybe not - but the roster of talented girls 1 through whatever will push each other 2/3 times a week and then you get the bonus of playing super strong teams in league play. Will YMS have that for the new crop of kids? Maybe, Maybe Not - But as of now - ECNL didn't go away and I can see it get even stronger just like the DA did on the boy's side.But what do I know I'm brainwashed.
3:40- do you mean the YMS U17 team that has a losing record in GS recorded games, even while not playing in top tournaments? I would love to agree with you that they would beat ECNL (fancy lettered) teams, but they haven't played many. But they do have a losing record playing in things like the FC Europa Cup.There is no question that there are some quality soccer clubs outside of the ECNL and nobody is denying that. I also believe that the ECNL is the best league and has more good players. We all know how this ends...some people just haven't been willing to admit it yet.
College? This is a FACT - any kid playing premier level soccer at this age that wants to play in college will play for a school, no questions. There is a school for every level, just read that somewhere. Scholarships, that's a parent's dream so they don't have to pay as much or a kid's dream' to get into a better school so they don't have that super load.
4:40 Thumb hit 7 instead of 6, so 15-16. But you knew that didnt you? which is why you focused on the 17's. Nice diversion though
4:51 but to his point, so 15 & 16's are good 17's not so good what's to say 13's will be as good as 15/16?National League 2013/201415's (W2, L5)16's (W4, L2, T1)17's did not qualify18's did not qualifyNational League 2014/20514's did not qualify15's did not qualify16's Qualified17's did not qualify18's QualifiedThat's not bad 2 of the 5 get to play nationally, instead all 5 at a ECNL club.
Here's a question to consider. If the ECNL were to expand again this year (3 clubs added last year, 7 the previous year), who among our area would be a likely candidate?
1 from each stateNEFCYMSNJ StallionsPA ClassicsBrooklyn Knights/ Met Oval
my bad 2 from PA
I'd keep away from adding yet another team from North Jersey. NJ Stallions don't have any more depth, clubwise, than SJEB.
To 8:48.. As far as club and parents not knowing what is best for the kids/team I believe you are uniformed. Last spring they joined the Colonial league after showing some success. They play in many tourneys that have top teams in them. The choice to stay in PAGS may not have been the best but who knew the team with 5 new girls would gel so well. Don't think anybody anticipated pags 1 dropping off so much either. Couple teams left, 1 imploded and a couple others were much weaker than they had been. Hopefully next fall there is a change. this spring they will be in Colonial league and other good tourneys. Good luck to whoever your daughter plays for.
5:03But who's to say they won't?Why not suggest the top FC Bucks players leave and drive 30 minutes a night up to YMS? They are already a better team and the club has a great track record.As for playing nationally, any one can do that. There are a number of great tournaments all over the country. Difference is the non ecnl team has to prove they deserve to be there. The ecnl teams just have to show up with 11 bodies and their dues paid up I guess?But why is this a big deal. 90% of these girls are going to play within 2 hrs of home. I know nobody wants to hear it but most of these teams ecnl and non and most of the girls on them really have no business traveling across the nation. I know your coach promised you he'd make your daughter the next Alex Morgan just before he took your money but...
Why doesn't my daughter have any business traveling across the country to play soccer? Or Basketball? Or to dance? Maybe it is more about the experience, the time with friends, than it is about the sport.
Good point. All this is really about more then just the sport. If some of you are in it just for the sport you are missing a lot
9:06Really? Ok let me be clearer. By all means take your daughter all over the world to enjoy what she loves. She'll be grown and gone before you even know it. If its a team bonding experience in disney, las vegas, san diego or such even better. But don't let some coach tell you this is what has to be done to play top competition and develop. Half of the top teams in the country are right here in Reg 1. Teams from reg 1 that have outgrown reg 1 are pretty rare, and none of them are U-13 right now. (But your coach wouldn't get his free vacation then)
There is no colonial league - it's RCL these days.
And the coaches will be drinking and sleeping in suites on whose dime this weekend? Every idiot on this blog
Truth is: if any of you people were anyone who's opinions really mattered in the soccer world..... You wouldn't have time for this blog bashing crap. Whomp whomp : (Go kick a ball with you kids ❤️⚽️☺️
This blog is for entertainment purposes only, anyone who thinks their opinion matters is delusional.P.S. There is also some good technical information, regarding standings, scores and schedules!
Just took a look at the weather forecast for the weekend down in old Maryland, and at 8am on Saturday morning the real feel is 24 degrees. That is going to be brutal, sorry to all the players that have to endure that, parents too.Good luck.
they already said games will be cancelled if temperature is 32 or below
What no complaints about the weather?- how is this any different than manhattan tournament in march? Are the going to cancel it? is there going to be a push that it's to cold for my kid to play and it's unsafe? If it doesn't why did Manhattan get all that crap this year. Why because it was March and in the North East it's open season to bash. 7:47 fyi - this is not directed at you.7:31 100% Entertainment - just us parents have some fun chatting about our kids and their teams. Why anyone takes it serious is beyond me unless of course if you get thrown in front of a bus like some posters like to do with coaches/parents and kids those IPs should be blocked.I think this board is in a good place these days, we have NJ, NYE and PA represented for sure. It would be nice if VA, MD, CT & MA posters were also on here but I'm sure they are on a different board.with ECNL, Region1 Champions League (RCL) and NPLs we are going to have many good talks about top teams in the region and get to follow 3 paths to 3 different national Titles.
8:49Well said. Shame about the weather. Some interesting matchips this weekend that could have been telling in where these teams are right now. Kind of have to put an askerisk behind the result if the forcast doesnt improve. 9:23Relax. With all the time energy and money put into our daughters, everyone here has earned the right to talk alittle smack on an anonymous board when they are winning. Not much you wouldnt hear at the hotel bar over a couple beers
9:24If you cant beat them mock them. Thats the ecnl motto, at least in Jersey, right?
NEWSS Showcase Top FlightBracket A EAST MEADOW HOTSHOTZ (NYE)ATLETICO FC GIRLS '01 (NYE)TSF ACADEMY 01/02G (NJ)Bracket BSTA MORRIS UNITED NPL 01 (NJ)ALBERTSON FURY '01 PRE-ECNL (NYE)ATLANTIC UNITED ACADEMY - AVALANCHE (NJ)
What a joke of a top flight at News. That's the best they could draw
"What a joke of a top flight at News. That's the best they could draw"I'm really offended by the quality of the trolling of late. At least put some effort into it...like the 50-mile rule guy.
NEWSSThese 4 good teamsEM ATLETICOSTAALBERTSON PRE ECNLDrop off with these 2TSFATLANTIC UNITED
What's the chaces of Bethesda being canceled.
What's wrong with it?EM 1of top Pre-ECNL teams in RegionAtletico not a bad teamTSF not a bad teamSTA must be good they are in EDP Central and is also doing well in NYCSL NPLAlbertson not a bad teamAtlantic good test to see if they belong at this level.U13 Age Group doesn't know about it yet, older ages have some big hitters since it's first event for most of them in the new season.
I'd have liked to have seen Atletico opposite E Meadow at NEWSS
Yea, "on paper"e meadow looks like the better team but athletico seems to have their number( 2 wins 2 ties in last yr) i bet they are building up quite a rivalry
5:12 I'm going to build on your question. Just play along for a few seconds.What if PA Classics and SJEB both became ECNL clubs. Would PL parents hang around or would some make the switch? Same goes for the South Jersey clubs do they move to SJEB or do they stay put.I guess my question is what if you had an ECNL option within a 30 minute drive - would you test the waters for your kid?
1:20Let me answer that as one of only a few people who actually can. It would take a pack of wild horses to drag my daughter and us away from her teammates and her coaches. Chemistry is everything in team sports, especially girls. Its one thing to have 17-18 great players, but when they are like sisters, thats special. Let me ask you a question, what do you think Classics would do differently if they became an ecnl club. They all ready have a great professional coach, very good players and excellent facilities. They pull players from about 7 or 8 school districts. From what I've seen an ecnl tag is like an alnowledgement that the club has been consistantly very good and deserves to be recognized. But the ecnl tag didnt make them good they were all great clubs long before the ecnl existed and they would still be so now with or without it. However inside those clubs like most clubs you have some great teams, some good and some not so much. If your kid isnt thriving with her current team, find her another with a proven coach in a proven club which may or may not be ecnl. Ecnl label is turning out to be a good marketing ploy, but little else
I can respect that 2:11.What would Classics do differently? Probably nothing besides playing a tough game every Saturday and Sunday 20+ a year just in league play guaranteed plus 2 extra events for another 6 to 8 games. Then if they were lucky Post Season play.It's not what they would do differently but it would be the opportunity for ODP type players to play with each other and train with each other all year round. That is special if your kid is lucky enough to be one of them. I'll ask you a follow up question and I hate doing this but i'm going to anyway. Lets say your kid's team has great chemistry and are all solid players. Would the prodigy on your kid's team be better of hanging and playing with friends that also happen to be good soccer players or training and playing with other prodigy players? That's what the ECNL clubs want to be, but at the end of the day if the parent's think it's a marketing ploy then it will remain where it is - but if it continues to put out WNT players at the younger ages like it has - it will Grow (what is it 5 years old, it's still a baby - give it time). That's my take on this.
By the time it grows into what you hope it will be, something bigger and better will have come along Just the way it is
2:29 How many WNT players did it put out or produce?
http://www.d1soccerrecruiting.com/ecnl-and-the-college-recruiting-process-what-does-the-data-reveal/I know many of you have seen this before, but worth re-posting on the ECNL vs local front regarding college and recruiting.
2:29Not all players on An ECNL team is a prodigy type player. That is an overused term that a lot of parents use when describing an Impact player on a good team.Ever watch an impact player from one team play against a prodigy player, the difference is night and day.Everything comes easy to a prodigy player, Their left foot and right foot is just as strong, their passing abilities from both feet are equivalent but most importantly their IQ is off the charts. They rarely lose the Ball in tight spaces and their passing is quick and deliberate. They can be any size but are always quick enough and strong enough to get of of trouble. Lots of good players in the ECNL, Very few prodigy players.And playing with good players you can find anywhere- Inside and outside the ECNL.-Soccer Nut-
A good marketing ploy or fact?In only 5 years, there are 194 ECNL alums currently playing in the SEC – more than 50% of all SEC women soccer players. The SEC 2014 freshman class alone had 73 ECNL alums – 59% of the class.205 ECNL alumni are currently playing in the Big Ten Conference.Nearly 53% of the players in the Big Ten Conference are ECNL alums.There were 58 ECNL alums in the 2014 Big Ten freshman class, the second consecutive year the ECNL was 50% or more of the class.In only 5 years, there are 207 ECNL alums currently playing in the ACC – nearly 57% of all ACC women soccer players. The ACC 2014 freshman class alone had 71 ECNL alums - 62% of the class.•215 ECNL alumni are currently playing in the Pac-12 Conference.•Nearly 65% of the players in the Pac-12 Conference are ECNL alums.•There were 72 ECNL alums in the 2014 Pac-12 freshman class, nearly 70% of the class!
•149 ECNL alumni are currently playing in the Big 12 Conference.•Nearly 60% of the players in the Big 12 Conference are ECNL alums.•The number of ECNL alums in the Big 12 freshman class has grown every year - to 51 players in 2014’s class.
2:36 Most recent U17 WNT training camp called in 25 girls. Of them, 20 came from ECNL clubs. I'd like to be the marketing guy for that league, because it isn't really hard to make "80% of players being called up are from your league" sound really good...http://www.topdrawersoccer.com/club-soccer-articles/snow-calls-in-25-players-for-u17-wnt-camp_aid34997
2:29Lets be clear, you do NOT play tough games every sat or sun. The bottom half of your league is no better than the bottom half of pags1. When you are done with the condisending laughter go look it up. Pags1 teams are 4-1 against ecnl teams this fall. your bottom 5 teams have a goal differential of -90. Imho the coaches of the bottom teams did them a great diservice by playing in that league, but i know they had no choice. The top teams should have been playing edp where half there games would not have been a cakewalk.
Here is an article written by a guy that had a daughter not on an ECNL team. He decided to do some research and he wrote down what he found out. It is interesting stuff. http://www.d1soccerrecruiting.com/ecnl-and-the-college-recruiting-process-what-does-the-data-reveal/
2:58 No the bottom 3 (the 2 PA teams and Albertson), I know you are not saying the bottom PAGS teams can hang with FSA FC 01 U13 Pre-ECNL &World Class FC 01 U13 Pre-ECNL SO is that how you come back to all the proof just provided about ECNL kids playing D1 and how many are at the u17 WNT?Remember this is only a 5 year old league.
Thanks for the link "Conclusions and RecommendationsFrom this analysis of the data, it would seem that we can say the following: it is not absolutely necessary for a player to join an ECNL club in order to be recruited by a D1 school or a Top 25 D1 school, but the likelihood of being recruited by such a school increases fairly dramatically for those who choose to participate in ECNL.From a more practical standpoint, we can make the following recommendations:If you are a young female soccer player and you want to play soccer at a D1 school, you should carefully consider ECNL. If you choose to not participate in ECNL (there are a variety of reasons why you might not – geography, finances, loyalty to your current club), there is a lot of hard work ahead of you, but your dream is not impossible.If you are a young female soccer player and you already are part of an ECNL club, there is still a great deal of hard work ahead of you (the recruiting process is never easy), but your participation in ECNL increases the chances of success."
So by your own calculations the other 40-50% of the players in those conferences came from NON-ECNL CLubs.Sounds like you have proven only that you can get there wither way.You have made the point that many good players are in EDNL, but also that many are getting to those programs without spending many hours each week in their cars sitting and driving in rush hour traffic to ecnl clubs 1 1/2 to even 3 or 4 hours away and doing it again for home games on the weekends.Not to mention making multiple trips for games and tournaments to places at the other end of the US where most of them have no interest in going to college.
Correct, ECNL is not needed to go to a D1 College. I don't think anyone ever said it was. Those were just stats complied by another person. If a player is good enough to play D1 College then the college coaches will find them. ECNL events usually make it easier for college coaches to see girls.
Never said anything differently.
BETHESDA42 degrees Saturday (clear)47 on Sunday (10% chance of rain)wind no more than 10 mph
"So by your own calculations the other 40-50% of the players in those conferences came from NON-ECNL CLubs.Sounds like you have proven only that you can get there wither way."This is only true if ECNL clubs constitute 60-50% of all the clubs out there, right?Of course you can get there either way, ECNL or non-ECNL. ECNL is just easier, agreed?
Wow 3:00pm, great stuff, that opened my eyes, so my gk daughter is better off on ecnl, lets be honest, how can you not read that. wow thanks
The guys daughter that wrote the article didn't play ECNL and she ended up at Santa Clara. So she didn't need the ECNL. I think there is a lot of parents that really hope new girls do not show up at tryouts for their ECNL team. That way their daughter has no competition to make the team.
he said "the level of connections her club had to her target dream school’s coaching staff was crucial to the success of the process"3:55 Great point we are talking about only ~70 Clubs Nationally compared to everyone else. So those numbers would be even higher if you took that into account. WOW. Forgot about that.I still believe the only people that have anything against ECNL are people that have something to lose or sour grapes. Why would anyone try so hard to throw mud at it otherwise.
3:28Of course not, but by the same token you are not saying the bottom teams in ecnl can hang with the top of pags1 either are you? i was just pointing out that at least a handful of those "tough games" you referenced are against teams that lost to the bottom teams in pag and we know how you feel about that league.U-17 I believe almost all those girls also played odp and would have been there with or without ecnl. D-1 unless they are freshmen not 1 of them played their formative years at an ecnl club because it didnt exist. Thats the problem I have with the ecnl fans. You are giving credit to the ecnl for the work that was done by coaches and programs that existed long before the ecnl began. I have no problem with lets say PDA. But are you telling me they were incapable of producing nat team level talent before they became an ecnl club. If they left tomorrow would they no longer be able to get their players into d-1 schools? Of course not! Heres where the slick marketing comes in. The ecnl "took over" (for lack of a better term) the best clubs in the country who were already producing much of the top talent and then took credit for it. And your buying itLook if you live close enough to an ecnl club and your daughter can hang then have at it! Every one of them have a history of producing great teams and players. Thats why the ecnl admitted them. But to those of you who think all talent exists exclusivly in the ecnl or that you hAve to drive your daughter half way acroos the state every night for her to reach her potential or play d-1, its simply not true.
Great soccer talk back and forth. This is what I wish this blog could be most of the time. There is actual thought put behind these blogs without the team bashing that usually is there. Great job guys (or ladies)and please keep it up.
Thats what she said
Well that lasted long
Bethesda pollRecords of NJ teams going down south this weekendI will start with Wildcats at 0-2-1(and I like them)
MF PRE ECNL 4-0 Best team in NJ
Unless PDA or East meadow craps teethe bed in last couple of games. It looks like one will finish the fall season#1 , the other #2.Match fit will probably finish #3, with Boston breakers at #4 for fall season.
I gotta go 1-1-1 for Match FitCup Gold takes that bracketTie vs BRYCWill beat Binghamton2-1 would not surprise.
I’m going to go against the trend and talk about every bracket. Bethesda Tournament-GirlsGirls U13 PotomacHard to argue with Cincinnati, but I think MF takes the bracket and plays PF or FCV in Final. I would love for Nj Wildcats to do well and make finals BRYC 01 ELITE (VACINCINNATI UNITED CUP GOLD (OSGREATER BINGHAMTON FC 01 SELECT (NYWMATCH FIT ACADEMY FC PRE ECNL (NJ FC VIRGINIA PRE-ECNL 01 (VAMARYLAND UNITED FC 01 ECNL (MDNJ WILDCATS AVERBUCH (NJ PENN FUSION SA '01G ECNL (PAE) Girls U13 ChesapeakeHMMS wins weak bracket and plays NEFC in final. Would love to MF NPL make final. I think 1776 drops 2 and wins 1.HARFORD FC UNITED THUNDER (MD) HMMS EAGLE FC 01 SPIRIT (PAE1776 UNITED XTREMES (PAEMATCH FIT ACADEMY FC NORTH EAST NPL (NJNEFC ELITE U13 GIRLS (MAGirls U13 PatriotEDP D1 vs PAGS D1 in group play.Plus best PAGS D1 record and Finals runner up goes against to 2 NYCSL NPL teams one from Nj and the other from NYE. Galaxy vs Nj Crush in FinalNJCSA GALAXY (NJ) RAGE SC '01 ATHLETICA (PAEISA 01 NPL (NYENJ CRUSH FC TSUNAMI (NJPA CLASSICS ACADEMY 01 (PAE) Girls U13 LibertyLet’s see YMS a top PAGS team does against a bottom 3rd ECNL team and a middle of the road NorthEast NPL team. CFC vs Pipeline in finalCONTINENTAL FC DELCO ECNL (PAE) FC STARS OF MASS NPL (MAYARDLEY MAKEFIELD SOCCER YMS BANSHEES (PAE Girls U13 FreedomHas a little NewEngland NPL vs NYCSL NPL in group play.Manahattan vs Starz in Final.GPS-MA NPL (MA MANHATTAN SC G01 PRIDE (NYE) Girls U13 AtlanticI think next year MF enters a 3rd team in NPL.Let’s see how they would do against CFC a bottom 3rd team.We also get to how NYCSL NPL Massapequa handles themselves.Should be in Final vs MF North?CONTINENTAL FC BARCA '01F NPL MATCH FIT ACADEMY FC BLACK NORTH (NJ)MASSAPEQUA LIL' ROWDIES (NYE
BOCA. Just saying.
MAPS 2014 FALL CHALLENGEGirls U13G MAPS FC COPA ACADEMY LIMA NPL (NJ)JERSEY SHORE BOCA JR FC FUSION (NJ)TBAA PREMIER STRYKERS (NJ)THISTLE COMETS (NJ) FC BUCKS ESPRIT ECNL (PAE) HUB SOCCER OF DENVILLE LIGHTNING (NJ)SDFC SAMBA (NJ)WALL SC WAVE (NJ) Boca or Copa vs FC Bucks in the final
OK I'll playBethesda FinalsCincinnati over NJ WildcatsMatchfit over HarfordNJCSA over PA ClassicsPipeline over YMS(both should have been in a higher bracket)But keep in mind, its just 1 more idiot predicting how 12 yr olds are going to play on a cold weekend.Hope everyone has a great tournament!
Finals:Cincinnati vs FCVMF vs Hartford Nj Galaxy vs Crush Pipeline vs YMS
Good luck MF @ Bethesda. Bring NJ back an out of State Tournament win.
Huh. Those are some really strange comment deletions.
Looks like player movement has started before the first snow fallSeems MF has players going elsewhere
ECNL or NPL?
I don’t care what team you play for, at this age group, you must leave your current team, if you’re not getting minutes in important games, you must leave. How is your child going to improve sitting on the bench? She’s not, there are plenty of good options around, talk about it, do your research, and take the plunge. Good luck.
Depends on the player and her level. If you are not playing on one team it is most likely that you are not going to play on a comparable team. Agree you need to move either way to play but most likely you will need to move down a level to get that playing time....
Not always. Sometimes a fresh start and a new coach and new mix can change a players situation. Sometimes a new voice can spark them after a stale situation..It is sometimes just a matter of motivation and confidence.
10:24 Which MatchFit Team ecnl or npl?
Cmon 10:24 answer 11:03's question? Since you threw that out there explain
Just trying to stir the pot!
YMS should win against Stars lower level team. I for one know the cold and wind doesn't stop them. But, you never know, on any given day....
"Cmon 10:24 answer 11:03's question? Since you threw that out there explain" I agree. Explain. And doesn't Match Fit have four teams at this age group? Why assume the "movement", if any, effected the ECNL or NPL teams as opposed to the other two teams.
What player movement?
11:53Going to assume you are with YMS. DD's team played them twice recently. Tough kids, great team. Thats why I predicted they would be in the finals with pipeline. Heads up if you do meet them there they are just as physical as you guys. Best of luck, hope you and the rest of the pa east teams can make some of these critics of PA soccer shut up for awhile.
We'll see which players are on each MF team this weekend.I expect they will look much the same as usual - and that all three teams will do wellSafe trip, all.
MF will look same this weekendStarting in Spring they won't
What makes people think that MF teams will oook different this weekend. I would think MF would have mentioned this to players if they were indeed changing teams.
Its likely they meant SPRING changesThis wouldnt be news It was already noted that MF teams might take shape leading up to ECNL play - starting a half year early makes some sense
Only people posting on here about changes are:People stirring pot People hoping their child movesOR NJ WILDCATS
So NJX and Wildcats are merging?
So first Wildcats merge with Freehold Lady Fusion Blue, then they take Howell and PDA Souths best 3 players (according to posts here), then they merge with NJ Force and now...
NJX and Wildcats are merging just like the Yankees and RedSox are merging. Come on people, stop making sh** up. Are you that bored that you have to stir the pot that much?
Only girls moving off of MF are girls that know they will not be in the mix on either the ECNL or NE NPL teams....
Where I come from the only players that move hslf way though a season are those whose parents well, move. How does that work at your clubs. Is "player movement" a polite way of saying the girls been cut, relegated to the b or c teams, or is this only done by choice by the parents?
First Wildcats never merged with anybody. They have players from all over Monmouth county. Second of all. 3 best players from PDA South? Explain to me why did Ajax get better after the 3 players left. Stop stirring the pot and enjoy your weekend
“Where I come from?”I have been reading this board for about 18 months, and I think that is the first time I have ever seen that term used, congrats*!*sarcasm implied
6:04 So thats the answer I get?I have been reading this board for about 3 monthes, and I think that is the first time I've seen an obnocious jackass post an ignorant responce to a legitamate question congrats*!Sarcasm implied
6:25, please have your daughter proofread your post, before you further embarrass yourself, go back to your simple life, enjoy your moments in the sun...
8:08Ah yes, the humility of spelling a word wrong on a message board from my phone. I am so ashamed! Tell me, what leads someone to attempt to belittle another person unprovoked on an anonymous message board? I assume its lack of self esteem or something, so if it makes you feel better about yourself, thats fine, I really dont expect much better from many here.The question remains. My daughters have played 17 seasons for 3 clubs. Not once has a coach given up on a player in the middle of a season or a player quit on her team halfway. Is such 'player movement" typical in other areas, is it an ecnl thing , a jersey thing? Feel free to respond with a legitimate answer or more condisention. Either way I will be sitting here enjoying my simple life.
Answer is that it has become increasingly common for players to leave a fall team and join a new one for springThis happens at times even though there is no friction, no real reason.Basically they do it for a greener pasture (read: a better team)A season really should include both fall and spring and these type team jumps should be frowned upon if the team taking the new player on has had (and initiated) contact with said player
10:41Thank you for the polite and informative answer. A number of posts had me wondering if it was common inside these larger elite clubs such as MF to reevaluate players at the end of fall and move them between teams. A great player who just didn't shine at tryouts moving up maybe, but girls who aren't playing well enough to a lower team? It's going to happen after tryouts every spring but having that pressure on these girls twice a yr seems excessive at this age. As far as girls leaving for greener pastures mid season, don't think I would even want that girl and her parents on my daughters team. Says a lot about their mentality. I know it sucks but losing builds character, quitting never does.
7:23 Now that is a refreshing attitude!
8:38 You can't blame that on your phone.There's a pattern of idiocy in that post. You're a dope.
9:38 Ease up! They made a mistake. Being a jerk and a bully is worse than any difference of opinion you may have with their view on things.
7:23I wonder if everything is so Black and white regarding a player leaving in the middle of the season.Let me tell you about an experience my older daughter had on of her team.There was a young lady @ about u14 who's was a core player for my daughters team. The parents did the right thing and told the coach that they would be leaving at the end of the spring season. The information was communicated sometime in April. Two things happened to that child -and parent for that matter.The girls playing time was reduced significantly in the Spring so that the coach could look at other kids in her position. she went from 90% playing time to 60% to around 40%. Her playing time dropped in half. The second thing that happened is that while the girls on the team continued their friendship, the parents on the sideline, who found out directly from coach and parent manager, began to ostracize the parents that had decided to leave.I wish i could say that this is an isolated case and it simply doesn't happen with other teams but I have found that this type of behavior is more common than you think.Knowing that-that can happen always gives a parent a reason to pause, especially when playing time for their child is reduced!Another awkward instance is when parents at the end of the year go to try-outs for another team and a parent, or coach for that matter, lets the parents and or coach of the team that she is leaving know that little Susie was at our try-outs.I have seen this cause great consternation between coach, child and departing parent.Sometimes, I wonder, if cutting it clean between the seasons, Is not better for the child, parent , and team. Especially, if there are plenty of other kids on the roster.Nothing is Black and White.-Soccer Nut-
9:38Its not so much my phone as it is my non opposable thumbs.Since I see you have chosen "more condisention" over the far more boring "mature and productive soccer dialog" option I guess our conversation is done.Just remember you NEED imperfect people like me in the world. Otherwise who would you look down your nose at?Have a good afternoon and best of luck to your daughter if she is playing this weekend.
10:27There are a thousand misspelled words on this board so I didn't realize it was being monitored by the spell check police. I will try to do better. BTW, do you have any actual soccer knowledge or is this the extent of what you are able to contribute around here?
Soccer NutThat is a very good point. It would be nice to assume these coaches always have the well being of the girls in mind, even if that means supporting one going to another team/club to reach her full potential as a player. Not sure that leaving in the middle of the season is the better option but you are right, nothing's black and white.
Spelling trumps soccer knowledge in real life.
The real feel temperature for the games tomorrow morning is going to be 27 degrees, good luck with that. Expect the fields to be frozen, too. Sucks that the girls have to play in such conditions, hope for the best, and pack, gloves, hats and blankets.
Yes, by all means, next time your club is looking to hire a coach, dispel with the whole education, experience, coaching philosophy b.s. and just hand out spelling texts.In case you haven't noticed this isn't real life it's a soccer message board. Here, soccer knowledge trumps proper spelling. Unfortunately there's not much of either on display this morning.
Do you mean "tests"?
Good job, your spell checking abilities are top notch, but if you have to ask what I meant, your deductive reasoning skills need some work.
Will be interested to see how both MF teams do this weekend. Will be pressure on both to perform well. NJ teams have not done well out of state.Good luck and keep warm.
"deductive reasoning" lol.. Who helped you with that one Einstein?
You guys bore me sometimes. Some of the fighting is entertaining. In this case, not so much. If I know you personally, I hope I don't like you in real life, either.
4:04You're right, I fell bad about getting sucked into that nonsense. I'd much rather have a discussion about soccer than grammar.
How come no one has posted the MFA score? Is it because they lost?
How many teams does match fit have at this age and which are the a,b,c teams?
Same reason no wildcats post. Must be two L's.
Loss for Match fit ECNLTie for Match Fit NPL
Not a good day for the jersey girls, crush can't even win a game in third bracket. Short weekend tournament....
Wildcats lost 2-1 against FC Vitginia and tied Penn Fusion 0-0
Match Fit Black is having a good weekend.
You mean they beat penn fusion 0-0
The scores of the game says that the NJ teams are competitive. not great-not bad.They are competing but are not anywhere the type of teams that should be bragging about how good they are in the region.
TIFWIW - Not associated with either team but watched most of the Wildcats-Penn Fusion game. Penn Fusion was the better skilled team, able to build up play out of the back and keeping their cool under tough pressure. The Wildcats defenders rarely, if at all, tried passing out of the back but one-touched almost every ball right up the field. Wildcats were a tough, physical team and had their chances to win, including a great chance right at the end of the first half. PF had the ball in the box a number of times but struggled to get any shots off.
MAPS Fall Challenge... thistle looked good, topped FC Copa. Upset???
One touch by wildcat defenders is classic wildcat play. Their tactics are to kick the ball forward into space as fast as they can. This can disrupt play in the last 3rd. It is one of the main reasons the scores remain low. They will combine this with physical play. I call this no skill. Wildcat parents call this big tough defenders that get rid of the ball fast.
No, 6:53Thistle is very well coached and has some kids that easily could be playing club.
6:29 is spot on. Not sure how PF didn't score. Not at all impressed with the Wildcats style of play. Kickball and hoping for a breakaway, not realizing they weren't getting by PFs defense.
How did PDA NpL North so today in CT?
Thistle crushed by boca. Boca guest player. Boca In finals Here they come. They are now walking the walk.
BOCAs got to face FC Bucks in finals, they don't have a chance.
Wildcats beat Maryland Untied pre-ecnl today 1-0 to finish 1-1-1 and place 2nd to FCV in their half of the top bracket, ahead of both penn fusion and maryland United.Since MF finished 3rd in their half that means wilcats top finish among jersey teams even though they were only team in top flight of 8 that are not pre -ecnl.
No points picked up this weekend for the chasers. The almighty rankings will drop for a few. Not good for Club website and recruiting talk. It actually is beginning to make some teams look very bad when you review their GS page.
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