"Coaches prefert that you get other grants in order that they save their scholarship money"How does that help you and your daughter?No difference between 15K+15K each and 30K all soccer. Why wouldnt they keep it at 30K soccer and let you save the extra 15K for her smarts?Hypotetically:60K per year school and they offer half for soccer - and you are saying if 15K is then available to you through academics they dont give it to you - just chop it off your soccer award?She has EARNED 45k and gets just 30. If this is the system it needs revision
I didn't say that. you have it all figured out, good luck.
6:58 - I'm 5:24 pm. I DID say academics comes into it. There are a variety of things that go into decisions. I have older kids that played and are still playing so am familiar with this crazy process.
@12:53 - I'm sorry, but I have had different experiences with my older kids. The verbal offers included specifics as to what it would include re $$. We were not applying unless the offers were worth our while. And, yes, the academics and the program steered the boat. Some very good soccer programs and schools didn't have the academic majors so need to continue the search. But, outside of the ivy's (we had offers from those, too), everything else came with verbal offers of consideration. Can you say how you decided? Thank you!
Some of you are reading these posts "competitively" so to speak.When I post my experiences with older daughters, I'm trying to provide info for those of you just starting the process.Definitely not negating someone else's experiences or inflating mine.There are many ways for our daughters to excel, I wish everyone the best of luck!
8:01. Thank you. I enjoy learning from other peoples actual experiences and find it helpful and not creepy at all. It sucks that people on here know everything before they have experienced it. Please continue to post its much better than most of the stuff on here.
Addendum to my post...:)I read and post about my older daughters but also have a U15 daughter#nocreepinesshere
801 Thanks for sharing but as you know things change 8 years ago ECNL just started, 4 years ago when your daughter was being recruited ECNL was 4 years in and more established and coaches started to flock to there events. 4 years from now for many on this blog this will change again look for example ID clinics popping up for each school almost twice a year and girls DA starting. So your opinions and experiences are a valuable and helpful but as probably scene things change and up to us as parents to keep each other informed not bash.
Written by someone who likes to hear himself talk no doubt
Is that you soccernut?
Oh no!!! I hear Spellcheck Nazi is trolling multiple blogs too :)
What about CRUSH dudes, have they all moved to new teams?
I think they left looking for 1776 mom
1776 is one crazy broad , is she in therapy yet ?
More DA expansion on Boys side. TSF and Cosmos just joined. Rumors that more NJ teams to be added on girls side by end of Feb.
Any truth to the Match Fit and Quickstrike merger rumor? Not sure why that is a rumor - I dont really see any upside.
Gets Match Fit into NYCSLAnd doesnt MF need trainers?
Huge GDA news coming soon, let's just say that 1 club to rule them all...
P tease...If you know something spill it
Match Fit had a team in NYCSL last year (Match Fit Mercer), and dropped out - they were not a quality team as I believe they played up in just about every age group.
Where do you see this mf info?
mf info is right:)
None of the da news is huge. They don't even have someone leading the initiative. It will be chaotic first few years.
We will let you know....
PDA DA pre-tryouts in 2 weeks? is there an official sign up? none of it is on their web site. what about the cedar stars?
yesfor non-club players
What teams do you think cedar stars will mosttly pull from. I Wouldnt drive more than 30-40 minutes for their product. I dont think they have had any success developing kids on the girls side. Just curious. Rush blue is too far correct?
Rush blue is located on the other side of the state near Philadelphia. Closer for those players to go to PF. Regardless, doubt many of those girls are going to leave Rush for DA teams, perhaps a few who knows. They get lots of exposure now being in National League.
Got a look at the U11s and U12s at Cedar Stars up northPlayers seem to be poised, confident for the most partI think that this "they dont develop" is a bit overblown.
Yeah PDA DA tryouts are Friday night you are mis informed. Club kids only they don't need outsiders good luck at Cedar Stars!
Sent to me via friend http://www.pennfusion.org/DA/index_E.html
8:19. This is a u15 blog and the cedar stars have no track record of developing kids in this group and older. Will they have a solid DA product in 3 years? Maybe but thats not the point. Why would anyone go there just because its a DA? I think it could be a horrible product as many on the boys side are. Outside Pda and Penn Fusion I would be scared to commit. PAC will be fine they play a nice style of soccer. World class and Cedar Stars have never offered a good product on the girls side.
not 8:19.All GDA clubs will be the place to be in 3 years. Just like the ECNL has been the last 3 years. Top of the Pyramid and that's not a debate it's the USSF you can't go any higher in the US. If you build it they will come.As I just said the DA will be the top of the pyramid - where the top college programs will look first in addition to YNT scouts. Cedar Stars will play the PDA and PennFusion teams you just mentioned and will be in front of the same scouts as they are in those games. In NJ they will be the only team to play those teams in league games and GDA events.Good product? Is it the training? can it be the player pool? can it be both? In NJ PDA & MatchFit got 80% of the stars. Then you have some other okay clubs NJ Wildcats, NJ Stallions, NJ Rush and SJEB to name a few so Cedar Stars was not at the top of anyone's list previously - they are now and playing vs PDA, FC Stars, Boston Breakers and PennFusion's GDA teams to name a few is well worth it even if they lose by 4+ goals, because they don't recruit teams they recruit players and a good player is easy to spot.
8:06 - agreed. That is how ECNL became the place to be. US Soccer christened it and the college coaches followed and so did the talent. This is USSF's product. They won't be endorsing another.
And you are right, schools recruit kids not entire line ups.
Key words. In 3 years. Going to be a chaotic 3 years.
7:31I think you have to do more homework on Cedar Stars girlsGet back to us
10:29. Speaking to 02 group I have done enough homework. The best 02 player in the club plays on u16. The guest player who is also excellent nowhere to be found. Your 02 team lost to a very mediocre tsf 02 team who in turn lost to Rush Blue 5-0. Also where did this team come from? Who are the coaches? No one i would want to train my kid. I know fitst hand albertsons boys DA had terrible coaching. Sorry. Tds has 2 girls listed with zero stats. Just saying there is no track record for development. Its a start up. Good luck next year. I will wait for the dust to settle when my kid is in the upper year and let her enjoy a life in highschool. Dont underestimate the relationships clubs have built with colleges.
Should have been 10:24 sorry
Like I said - homeworkYou dont even know who the coach will be at Cedar Stars '01/'02
Waiting for the '02/'03 Academy team (when your daughter will be "older") is fine - but you might want to get on their radar a bit earlier (PDA or Cedar Stars)
You know everything please enlighten the group.
At this age does it matter who the coach is? - the platform is more important. If you are not at the top of the pyramid then the coach comes into play the club brand comes into play but when you are at the top of the pyramid who cares. Here is the thing - the girls on Cedar stars will make their bed - what they put into it is what they will get. Because it's a startup is even better for the kids at the club as you said others will stay away but the team will still play the best teams in the region PDA/Stars/Breakers/Oakwood/PF to name a few. While others are staying away the girls that gave them a shot regardless of the coach will play in the top of the pyramid regardless if they belong or not. They can only do what's best for them as you will do what's best for your kid.
10:13 - why do you think 3 yrs? Disagree. The blueprint is there already. Should be a pretty simple transition.
I used the 3 years bit from 8:19
I also disagree it's been 10 years on the boys side and they still no better in world cup play or Olympics than they were 10 years ago, Correct?Also there are many stories of NCAA Men's collegiate teams playing friendly's vs MLS squads with a close or un-favorable outcome. Fact!
Where do you think the 23 players will come from - which clubs - to form Cedar Stars' first U16/U17 Academy team?You mentioned one U15 player currently at Stars. 22 left.
Many players un-happy with PDA that did not make the GDA between PDA/Skyblue will flock to Cedar Stars similar to when many flocked to MF when both clubs were competing for top players. That's whom will come over to Cedar Stars. Word on the street there are few players looking to move already.
Do those players know they did not make it? Why wouldnt they stay pda ecnl given those coaches have the best college connections.
Don't forget the MF players that won't GDA. Cedar Stars will have a player pool to pick from the question is how good are they at identifying talent? and where will their non GDA team play?Don't forget the ODP pool since the GDA trumps ODP also now. There will be plenty of players that have the dream and have parents that support them, will bring them to see what is being offered with their own eyes.There is an opportunity for some to play for FREE, go for it what's the worst that can happen you don't make the team? If you make the team you either play for free or you pay to play in the top of the pyramid like many did at their ECNL clubs.10 years vs countries that have been doing it over 100 years okay that's fair. The MLS is been around for 20 years and they are finally starting to put together a good product.Top of the pyramid simple.the ECNL will be just another option and remember when you play GDA clubs with an ECNL team you are playing their B team, just like some NPL teams have done for years.
@1:39 - don't compare the women's side to the men's. Women helped set the bar internationally, men are still catching up with the storied international clubs. They are getting there, but they are not considered the powerhouse, yet. Most of the NT girls came from ODP programs prior to ECNL. And, US Soccer was/is very much involved in it, still. So, transition should be much easier than if starting from scratch.
Sorry I personally do not believe in the current U.S. DA system for boy's or girl's. Women's soccer in the U.S. have a proven track record and yes set the bar internationally so why follow other countries methods. I disagree that the men's side are still catching up after 10 years, they have taken many steps backwards as they did not qualify for the Olympics and on the verge of not qualifying for World Cup. Please don't use individual players that have been identified like Christian Pulisic as a measuring stick for US DA's success if the men's USA team cannot qualifying for anything.
I think US soccer decided to take a big giant crap on the youth soccer structure starting with byc this year and DA next year. It probably set them back 2-4 years. They should have rolled out the DA with u10-u12 and increased every year. I dont trust any of these DA clubs to solely continue the development of my kid and I think with what she has access to in the long run will be a better player than the DA kids. You need a portfolio oc coaches to learn all the skills you need in your tool belt.
I love the BY change...
These are my two zens on BYCGreat if your kid is jan-apr bday as they were in worse positionHorrible for most oct-dec kidsDestroyed a lot of teams and made it harder for some of the grass roots organizations to surviveThe smaller teams was where a lot of early development was going onFallout will continue with teams and clubs still falling apartThe late birthday kids that continue to play/start have a big future aheadI dont think its bad just should have been phased in with younger ages. Friendships and joy of being a kid were again diminished for what will effect less than 1% of the kids.
The "joy of being a kid". Amen to that, the loss of which is what we are trying to deal with now.
We need to help become adults somedayWhat a wake up call!
Have an early birthday U12 - would have moved to U13 - that had been doing well - and is now out of the sport entirely.Tough on some - yep. Team was together 4 years and has taken 3 steps backwards this year. AND they lost a valued coach.
How did they "lose" the valued coach. Didn't he just move to coach another age group? Shifting of resources does not hurt the whole.
Best development years, make it count!
Anyone else surprised at the low turnout at DA tryouts?
How many kids showed up? There are only 25 spots for a team.
Yesterday's DA tryouts for 1999/2000. 8:00-9:30 friday night. didnt publicize it. Noone is surprised at low turnouts. Same thing at the "id sessions" for world class. Less than 16 kids per age group.
Last night was 2001/2002. Maybe 75-80 girls there.
Low turnout you obviously were not there. Older group there were roughly 45 girls there for 23 spots. The 01-02's which mine is part of there were nearly 60 for 23 spots. Matchfits national team girl was there as well! Bye bye Matchfit! Stop being a PDA hater and move on with your life.
This is an age where parents know the quality of there own child so turnouts are mediocre but with quality is far beyond better. This isn't U12/13 tryouts of 100+ anymore people it's cutthroat best of the best.PDA will have a quality DA team the first year and for those that do not make it ECNl will also will be tops as well for PDA.
I know just this (true or not)1. Approx 26 players on a roster.2. 2 hour commute x 4 days a week.3. Only 18 players dress.4. Only 14 players play.5. Cost over 2k per year.6. Still have to travel if you dress.Sorry but the coaches control who play to many unknowns, with a roster full of talented kids.My girl is happy and playing more than 50% of her games - She is talking to D3 schools and has some D1 schools interested per her club coach, her team is not ECNL. She knows the game and plays the right way, it seems that's all that matters.Just being real. I do wish all the players good luck who play GDA keep dreaming and hope to see you on TV playing for our NT some day.
Match fit does not have a national player in those age groups
As a group, we all look forward to March 5th, since there will be plenty of excitement on both teams, just don’t know if there will be enough ice for our opponents.
The match fit nt player is on world class and should go to pda.
SK isn't going anywhere, if anything she is going just a across road. There is big DA news coming from Orangeburg, look for their auditions to be a hot ticket, very hot.
That's funny 6:01. Don't be fooled by their past record. Gonna be a good one. Typical PDA mentality though. Last spring you posted something similar before the MF game and look how that turned out.
Yael coming back to run DA?
Sounds like Nycfc gonna merge with world class girls DA. Where are the players gonna come from?
Quite the different take on the tryoutsWho is lying?
Very interesting stuff, if true, the players will from from everywhere, because the upside of that association is huge. If you disagree, then you are a bonafied idiot, and should stop using your parents computer.
That's huge news if NYCFC merges with World Class. I'm assuming World Class will carry the DA team while NYCFC/World Class will carry the ECNL brand. Any word on Cedar Star and how they are going about with DA selections?
"bonafide" maybe? "parents' computer"?I'm back....SCN
I think WC already had their DA identification sessions
1:37, who told you that? Its not even March yet, and you think they are done?
Not sure they are done, but had sessions already. It was posted.
They were in January.
Those sessions were not GDA, they were very preliminary 2017-2018 ECNL/NPL ID sessions, nothing formal.As with most clubs, the girls on the 01/02 ECNL teams were get first crack at the GDA spots. However, look for many to bypass GDA so that they may play HS soccer, I would say 50%.
GDA sessions - yes - at WCI am not saying World Class or PDA wont have other sessions. We shall see.
They will have more, many more. There are also many questions still and many people won't make decisions for a while.
http://www.wcsocceracademy.org/home/930085.htmlIf interested, reach out to the Dir of Coaching. He's very helpful and will gladly give you information.
I think World Class has a pretty good idea who their DA teams will be.Not saying they wont at least look at you if you inquire now.Good luck.
I'm hearing very low turnouts for older GDA age group of U17/U18 for many clubs. Maybe because players are mostly Jr./Sr. and have already been talking or verbally committed to schools already and they do not want to jeopardize there status. Look to see several 01's to move up to U17/U18 age group leaving many roster openings for U15/U16. That's the word coming from several GDA clubs.
PDA, WC and Spirit had good turn outs in those age groups. Are you trying to steer people away from GDA?
I think you mean U18/U19, 9:28'01/'02 is U16/U17 for 2017-18.
9:28College coaches would like to see a player of interest playing highest level in their senior year don't you think?
8:54, my daughter is on one of those teams, and the club has no idea which girls will out-perform the others, that is why the upcoming season will be so important. The girls are basically playing for a GDA spot, but not all are interested, some want the chance to win a state championship with their HS.
Thus you are saying World Class has not yet decided whether they will HAVE a GDA team, but they already DID decide the players cant play HS soccer?Ok - thanks for that
You don't make sense 10:56I read 10:23 as yes to GDA, not decided on playersDA automatically rules out HS play
You can play HS soccer, no problem, but there might not be a spot for you on the team, when HS season ends. Like most GDA clubs, there will be spots left for girls who want to rejoin the team after HS, however there might only be 2-3 spots for 40-50 players, and HS play is not a good test for GDA players who want to come back. In other words, if you are offered a spot, take it, and forget about HS soccer, forever.
10:56 must be with PDA, they’re not that bright.
11:25General rule is no HS soccer at all if GDA. If you're saying it's up to club, I haven't seen that. There was only rumor because Heinrichs comment. Her comment was vague at best I think. Read the whole context. As you say, good luck with wanting the best of both worlds. Make a choice and stick with it!
7:32 You're welcome bro. Stay in NJ
NJ NYall the same
I will use PDA as my example, why would ant kid turn down a spot on their 1st team GDA for a spot on their B team ECNL just to play HS? I don't get it? You spend all that time/money to be play for the best and then you settle for 2nd best, why play for a GDA club at all then if HS is that important?
7:21Just as in current political decisions, the emotional pull is strong. Make the best for you and your future or the best right now bc "my friends are playing HS ball"
What's the over and under on top bracket at JC?
Perspective people. The future to a 15+/- year old is much closer that the future is to an adult. If there is to be a soccer future, the girls need to want to keep playing, and that requires playing in a place that makes them happy. Soccer needs to be more than just a job (no offense if your port of call is Bayonne - cite to SNL).
7:21, so why do you care, unless of course your kid has mixed feelings, if so, you are doomed. Next thing you hear is, but Daddy I love him!
haha 7:21you're killing me
i ment 9:50
9:50 I don't care - I just don't get it. Soccer is not cheap and to invest all that money in our kids to develop their skills because they want to play NT/College what ever and then settle for 2nd best? That my friend is the writing on the wall that soccer will becoming to an end.My kid plays is having fun doing what she wants and would never be happy with 2nd best - if that spells doomed for me then I am doomed.
And this summarizes beautifully the problem with DA. The kids want both... they want to play on THE BEST team (the DA) AND they want to play High School (to have fun). The DA and even ECNL for that matter is too much like a job sometimes. These coaches are over-scheduling the teams. Our team is going 5-days a week right now. We even played on Sunday in the freezing, pouring rain. We are forcing kids to make decisions that they just don't want to make. F-U US Soccer for putting them in this position.
10:26YOU as a parent are making the choice! Don't blame US Soccer Not one is forcing you, THAT is what's wrong with our society!!!
They are forcing us to make sophie's choice
I also blame US Soccer because they want to compete at the highest level(World Cup/Olympics) but put in place rules to take away a kid's(Social Life). Outside of not playing HS what girl has the time to do other activities after school clubs or other sports etc. let alone making sure they keep plenty of time to study while they are required to do something soccer related 5/6 times a week. Yes it's a parents choice but what if both the Men's & Women's soccer teams were already dominating like basketball still is, do you think all these rules & changes like No HS or other sports/activates would be in place. US Soccer needs to work with the leagues(ECNL etc) and align themselves with colleges to help train those selected athletes to play at the highest level not cherry pick from U11-U17. Yes I disgruntle because I'm not looking forward to see GDA next year but daughter wants it.
I agree 10:3410:47 if she loved soccer it wouldn't be a job for her - she would want to win for her self a roster spot, minutes, the game, a college scholarship, an invite to CA, play for any NT not complain about not playing HS.GDA and HS both train at the same time the player has a choice that is the rue beauty of this. Don't we want the making choices on their own? 11:02 they didn't take anything away they actually gave the girls that love the sport more by adding more training. Why do you guys have a problem with CHOICE!1. GDA = College2. ECNL + HS = College3. ECNL = College4. Non-ECNL + = College5. Non-ECNL = College6. HS + ODP = College7. HS = CollegeWhy are parents defending leagues?If a player picks soccer - how can training 4x per week with club be bad?There is no way any player can practice/play games 5x per week for HS and train 4x per week with club, so GDA is making it easy for the players instead of risking injury - you can't do both pick one. CHOICE! The model is great - the only people crying are the ones losing $$$GDA is a feeder for YNTs and NTs possibly in addition to College - how is this a bad thing? A true top of the pyramid. Everybody wins. The players get fantastic training and play against the best that want the same thing.If they want HS go for it CHOICE!
10:47 - sophie's choice, really? A little dramatic don't you think; horrible example.It's called parenting.
1:53 you got itNo one wants to parent anymore. What does little Mia want?
That's the problem. Little Mia wants it all. Top of the pyramid and high school. Her high school team is good with good coaching. Closest DA will be stronger then closest ECNL. The kid is only 14... not quite mature enough to comprehend everything. I know that's where parenting come in... just not an easy choice to make.
Actually it's a very easy choice - ask little MIA where does soccer fit in the big picture. If it's play in college, then stick with HS and ECNL and she will play in college, if it is NT then the choice is simple GDA (college is a given)Choice!
Okay my daughter chose HS vs GDA just for the next coming year as she is on the younger end(2002) of the U16/17 GDA team next year. She will play out her Freshman HS year next year just for the experience and social aspects then she will try to make the GDA team the following year as one of the older players.Those are choices they should be thinking of right now not putting all eggs in one basket and jumping ship. I'm glad she was mature enough to make that decision and not myself as a parent pushing her to the decision.
You guys are funnyYou are saying GDA will turn their backs on players wiishing to participate in HS soccer - tell them they then must play ECNLor NPL or EDP the rest of the year.Trust me - this will not be the case because they will be concerned that the GDA club down the road will then get that (exceptional) player.
Who said turn their backs? I heard they will be put at the bottom of the GDA roster and will need to compete for playing time.
This is funnyLife always gives us at least 2 choices, which you make.The part you don't choose is the repercussion/outcome of your choice.Our daughters are old enough to learn that lesson.
For you GDA Gurus, how many GKs per age grouping? I would expect at least 2, but maybe 3, as many as 4? Of course, GK numbers then factor into roster spots for field players.
GDA will take 3 keepers, but the bottom for that 3rd - better be almost as good as the top. So if the coaches only see 2 great keepers, I think they would only take 2. A weak keeper these days, or any keeper not playing the sweep keep style is not going to last and lose matches. sorry, watch the super keepers making unbelievable saves. I hate to put so much on keepers, but the game has changed from 30-40 years ago for sure. Great keeper is only as good as the limited shots on goal, so by using perfect defense you can limit quality shots for sure at this age grouping.
Perfect defense, what’s wrong with you dude? Everybody knows your defense is only as good as your holding-midfielder, if she is having a good game, the other team will not have quality chances. The #6 position is the most important on the field, because she is the one who shields the back-line, and begins the counter attack, she is the alpha and the omega.Thank you for listening.
Great comic relief today"my daughter's position is the most important on the field"Try this...read each blog post with an open mind, attempting to understand the context. NOT preparing your "defensive, I know better" reply while reading.
I agree with 10:39
I'll play tooTechnically a holding midfielder is part of the defenseYour turn
10:05 - we were told 2 GK's per team.
10:14 -. You don't seem to understand the value of the keeper that directs up the field and becomes part of the field players as well. In addition to "unbelievable saves" they need to have great foot skills and ability to see the breakdowns. They direct the holding middie as well.
Place your bets! Anyone want to call the winner for the Jeff Cup Showcase?PipelineSJEB RushPDA Storm PA Classics Penn FusionMaryland United East MeadowCleveland FC
Group A and Group B are so lopsided. Going by YSR looks like SJEB Rush and Pipeline would be favored. These two teams have played a bunch of times and they put them again to play Sunday morning. I have no idea on these brackets. I would say the winner will be Rush or Pipeline to take it all. But, its soccer and anything can happen.
PA teams will battle out the championship game
I think pda or east meadow win.
I'm going with Match Fit. Haha what a joke
How many GKs per GDA team?Could be ZERO for this age group
The 01/02 teams should carry 2 keepers, one from each age group.
They didn't even out the brackets very well. Bracket A is obviously loaded. 2 strongest teams in my opinion are both in same bracket. East Meadow and PDA should've been split. Bracket B is anyone's game. Winner willCome out of A.
Where is the big news that was coming?
12:44"We were told 2 GK per team"Which club?I think 3:42 is correct - all the keepers could come from '01
Depending on the club numbers at 01 and 02.The GDA team is first and foremost a 01 team with 02s added as numbers, skill and development call for. An 02 that gets in will hopefully play 2 years with that team.
There are 22 rostered kids; 2 keepers included. No specifics re both keepers coming from different birth years.
Official GDA statement:"As a combined age group, players are encouraged to play up and clubs will have groups of players that they will move up and move freely among age groups within their Academy program. The projected pool would equate to approximately 23 players per age group for a total of 69 full-time players amongst the three age groups (U-14/15, U-16/17, and U-18/19)."
Our club is looking to keep the 01/02 GDA roster at 18, this includes 2-3 spots for any players joining after their HS season ends.
8:12Assuming you're comfortable and familiar with your daughter's club, how do you see the "2-3 spots after HS" fitting in?Personally as a coach, that would categorize those players as "bottom" of the dedicated roster. They would need to perform and prove they deserve a possible spot on the bench at games.
I would consider those spots as emergency players, 5-10 minutes per game.
I would consider those spots for kids that are too good to not want their impact.
You guys crack me up. You do understand international rules? Only 18 dress and ONLY 14 play 3 subs with no re-entry. So on a GDA team playing 5 to 10 minutes is a win. All these kids will have college spots locked up. Just making the team will be a win down the road. No so much for this age age group and older.Top of the Pyramid - should bring together top ECNL, PDP, id2 and ODP players to one place creating the place to be. Every practice will be top notch every game will be great for the kids playing. All these kids want the same thing to be the best soccer player they can. Not a multi-sport star or to play HS ball with their friends. Nothing wrong with this. Will take a few years for this cycle of players to go through the system, to many mixed feelings. We will see the impact after the current U14-U18 players are out of the mix. When the kids are young no longer will parents seek out ODP or ECNL clubs they will look for the GDA clubs (most of them are ECNL anyway) the top players will play for free and the kids that have dreams will pay just how it is.My 2 cents
8:51 here sorry. Meant hs kids coming back. I think we are underestimating the draw of highschool sports. Its definitely helpful to social life and I think thats a big deal for most girls in hs. We will see. But my guess is some of the best girls will not go DA. 50/50 or 60/40 from top 30 02s.
8:46So if they're top 02s, you see them choosing HS? Strange deduction.Remember 02s may want to join GDA but they are additions to 01 team, not primary, so to speak.
9:46 yeah our kids in a non GDA world.But the U9-U11 girls will train 4x per week with club team instead of going to ODP tryouts or going to ECNL teams because at that age everyone has the dream and more importantly the parents will seek out the top of the pyramid and with the USSF taking directly from the GDA teams they construct the yellow brick road.My kid loves HS ball almost as much as club ball. She loves the interviews, local news highlights, tweets about her and that she can compare her stats with others - honestly who wouldn't I get that. but my kid also doesn't want to play for the NT she is not driven enough for that in regards to the sacrifice she needs to make. There are many GIRLS that want the dream and work really hard for that dream
There are many other ways to be involved socially in high school than just through sports. Be the sports' reporter, take pictures, get involved in student council, etc.
10:09 hereI meant to ask 9:46 the question and not 8:4610:14Each girl will choose as she wishesThe social pull is strong but depending on her aspirations, the social pull is short lived gratification. Choose your path long term
10:21 with what time?If you live an hour plus from PDA as I do and DA has 3 2.5 hr sessions during the week, that is 4.5-5 hrs of time per school week that my kid is in a car or on way to practice. So grades may suffer. Free time and fun suffers, and social life suffers. Im not even convinced playing 3 other sports wouldn't be better for her soccer dev at this age. Then there is the fact of can she make PDA? Maybe. She has played with many of those girls and can compete with them. Does that mean coach likes her enough to bring her in? Not sure. Zero chance on WC and CS regardless. I will wait and see how those ships sail before moving into that uncertainty. I know many top 02s that are not looking to ditch hs. Many are already engaged with college coaches. The college coaches dont seem to care too much.
The GDA isn't for anyone and with only 22-23 spots open it will be extremely hard to get on one. Some people make those travel trips and have for years. It takes a huge commitment from the child as well as the family. But there are enough out there that do it. Unless the commitment and sacrifice are there, I would absolutely have her play h.s. sports. GDA isn't for the kid with her toe in the water or the parents.
And, top 02's I know that are getting serious interest from top level schools are doing GDA.
Does not matter if you play for a GDA or a National League team or ECNL, if you're good you will be noticed. Do you think college coaches now will only visit the few GDA teams? If you want to get a strong idea, at the next showcase just ask the coaches. Go to the source, most will just laugh and say we are looking for strong well rounded players that are coachable.
1:57 of course it doesn't matter. But if you read the Q&A they want players that can play the INTRERNATIONAL game not college their players playuing in college is a given. This is for players that want the red white and blue on their kit. Come on man it's simple they want the top players players playing against the best. 11 start with 3 subs so 14 players see the field per game and 10 watch the question is do they travel with the team even if they are not playing. Parents will need some thick skin.No need to ask the coaches the GDA is built to create top international players it's that simple, so 10 months 4x training a week is a must in addition to 8 players playing the entire game.
So if you are an 02 and not top of the roster - you will not play a lot until the following year when they are older
As you can see playing in college is not the focus. Becasue if they are prepared for the international game they are prepared for the college game.So if your kid doesn't not want to play for a NT don't waste her time and yours, this is for the serious players not the multi athletes or I want to play HS players.Very simple ChoiceBecome elite and be happy or Be happy where you are and don't hate the kids that have the dream.Like i said seeing the field will be a big plus for players 19-24 what they do with it will dictate what happens next.
sorry for the previous 4 posts Now that's my 2 cents
Last fall my daughter was on a call with a college player who recently got drafted by nwsl. Her comment that stuck with my daughter was had she not played high school ball she would have probably quit soccer. It will be interesting to see burn out stats from DA. Im not saying my kid wont go DA but she wont go this year for sure.
How many juggles does a girl have to do to get on a GDA team?
4:08 Is your comment about being elite directed only towards the GDA players ? If so I think you will be mistaken . Many talented girls will not choose DA. If you need to convince yourself otherwise to feed your ego then I feel sorry for you and your daughter .
I am not that poster, but of course, some talented players won't go GDA. I would not say many. If you are a talented player and want to be the best you can be, well, like anything, you have to train and play against the best. It how you get better. And, not everyone wants to be their best in soccer, they are happy with being very good. Arm twisting either way isn't going to work. The GDA isn't for everyone. That is why it is so exclusive. And, not choosing it does not mean that child isn't very good, it just means they didn't want to choose their soccer track that way.
GDA will cost a lot more than ECNL. Nice work us soccer, another feather in your crap. Oh, but there will be scholarships that we will pay for for the parents who can't afford it, although my daughter may be a better player. what else do you have for us?
What club are you referencing? I attending a meeting on Wednesday and the GDA cost is less than ECNL.
Welcome to club sports. It's expensive, but I heard some clubs will be less than their ECNL costs, too. Maybe you want to consider a different sport.
Looking at 2 myths: costs and play time.If you look at the CS web site - they offer the DA program free to the top 2 age group - so the fees will depend from club to club. Also, every DA team is supposed to offer a certain % scholarships for those who need them.I was also under impression that both ECNL as well as DA play international FIFA rules - but the difference is that DA also guarantees a certain playing time (as well as guaranteed 25% start). This is the key. ECNL is about winning and making money, DA is about developing. a 24 person ECNL team is a 13 person bench.Coaches at one of the clubs are beginning to spread some interesting info:- ECNL is forcing clubs to choose ECNL OR DA - but they cant do both- DA forcing kids not to play HS (which is based on Boys' rules - not official for Girls) - I've heard otherwise- DA forcing kids about participation in other activities - I also heard otherwiseUntil official DA rules are set in stone, ECNL clubs will start spreading FUD. I don't expect DA to be smooth during the first 2 years, but once it gets going ECNL will most likely lose its E status and will just be CNL.
I thought the DA clubs have a certain $ they can offer their players per club aprrox 10 spots depending on the club some might be lower.International FIFA rules in regards to subs - 3 per game no re-entry. ECNL has no re-entry in a half but all 7 can get in the game.GDA Roster 24 - 18 Dress for game - 14 playthe 24 players start a minimum of 25% of their games.ECNL Roster 24 - 18 Dress for game - 18 playSome never start and some never play or play very little.Both are about making money in my opinion as is every club - Rec soccer is all about the fun.GDA is looking to identify players to play Internationally top of the pyramid so they are training that way. All players on a GDA team will be prepared to play in college.ECNL is looking to identify college players and will promote their top players and not care about the the rest as they all can be replaced.CNL or ENPL like the boys side.
12:16 - not sure about the future, but currently ECNL does not use international rules re substitutions. Our club plays everyone in every game. Not everyone gets the same time, but entire suited roster gets in. That won't happen in GDA. But, as others have noted, there is a guarantee amount of playing time that all rostered spots must see. ECNL was good idea, but went off the rails apparently.
US Soccer helped ECNL get is soccer cred. Now that's gone. GDA expects to hit the ground running with immediate impact. US Soccer helped ECNL work through the pitfalls and is taking it's playbook back. Before it was ECNL vs. the rest as far as who was top of pyramid. Now, it's ECNL vs. rest as far as where they will ultimately fall in the pyramid.
What happens to those Elite players who are playing at private schools on scholarships ?
DA respects HS commitment for kids who are on scholarship per Boys' rules. I think the rules are getting loosened because of the interviews on the DA site.
Clubs with GDA won't let girls play high school soccer. Private school or no private school, you won't be able to do both.
3:36 - what happens? They continue to attend school.
12:09 am No shit Sherlock ! Where is the question or couldn't you comprehend all that ?
1139 has no clue, don't listen to anyone on this board, unless they back up with specifics directly from club DOC and the new head of GDA. And both can change daily, like it is now. PDA has already said complete different from above.
12:37 - why the anger? Clearly YOU didn't understand the response. They continue to attend. Each situation is different so can't give an all inclusive response. Most aren't receiving scholarship money just because of athletic prowess. Their brains have a lot to do with it as well. So, if they are a good student, doing well at the school, making the school proud, then I'm pretty sure all will continue the same. In the interim, get a laxative and work out whatever is REALLY going on (or not) with you. Come back after you have felt some relief.
1139 - please tell us more, you know so much. This is not what PDA is saying. Are you the one telling people that clubs who take take DA have to let go of ecnl too? Last question, how late did you stay up waiting for people to respond to you?
Jeff Cup prediction--the teams that play the "best" kickball will win. Yes, Pipeline and Rush play kickball. The only difference between how they played when they were u8 and now is they're bigger, faster and stronger. No build up, no possession, no controlling the tempo, no soccer IQ, just random fast break attempts to get the ball down the field and toward the goal. Not their fault, it's the piss poor coaching we have in the US.
3:03Does the Pipeline defense prevent other teams from scoring using methods you dont approve of as well?
Wait - let me guess - the GK punts the ball too often.Too funny.
Pipelines saving grace is their Defense. Offensively they rely on one player. If your daughters team has played them, you know who i mean.They are definitely beatable.
Penn Fusion is likely the best of Group B although I could see a 0-0 game between Pipeline/PF. East Meadow will likely take Group A but could be some good battles in that group.
Heard the PF ID event was mainly current club players. Anyone there?
I need clarification regarding playing high school soccer and GDA. Although I think i have the answers.So my daughter plays private school girls soccer. Her high school season starts in late August and ends in November. I noticed the GDA schedule starts training in August with games starting the first weekend in September and ending the first weekend of December. My question is how will my daughter play both? How will receiving a waiver to play prep school girls soccer allow my daughter to do GDA as well? So my daughter can play prep high school soccer in the fall and then do spring GDA? And this will be ok that she misses the fall season? I feel my daughter should be able to do whatever she wants because she is better than the rest of the girls. I am sure the coaches of the DA won't have an issue with her missing half the DA season. I don't see an issue that the other girls are at all the GDA practices starting in August while my daughter comes in after the high school season and starts training after the DA break period in February. My baby should get a waiver since it is allowed by USSF and she is better than the rest of the girls. One would think that a top club wants their players all in or all out.....with the exception of my baby, she is going to get the waiver, she will be able to do both.
Hey dumb ass, all they care about is the one they want. If she is that good, she can play high school. You and your daughter can do what you want...
Nobody puts Baby in a corner
doesn't take this dude to long to respond, just like last night...
Yeah sure, she can rejoin the GDA team after HS soccer no problem, she can get her starting spot back too! Not only that, you guys don't have to pay a dime, or even come to practice!!! I even heard that your daughter is getting g a full-ride to Stanford or Duke, or both!!!!
Nobody put baby in a corner; it ended up that we didn’t even need to come on this blog for advice. The DOC at the GDA called us out of the blue. We didn’t even ask for the USSF wavier; it was offered to us. He said she is so special, the most special and because our daughter is so special, much more special than the rest of the girls, she can pick and choose what she wants to attend. He said not only can she skip all the fall GDA games and practices, she doesn’t have to pay and doesn’t have to wear the practice outfit! So while all your public school daughters have to attend 100% of all GDA events, our special daughter won’t. We hope everything works out for all of you like it did for us.
The DOC has the ability to choose and can be for multiple reasons. If your kid is good enough, she can make her own choices and the doc will be okay. Not sure if you know this, but a large percentage of the coaches disagree with the no HS rulle. They know it's not great soccer, but they also know it's a huge part of these young women's lives. It should be her choice, not what daddy and the GDA wants.
The point is the DOC or club won't let kids to both, they can't. It opens up a can of worms they don't want to deal with. You won't find quality programs letting kids do HS and DA. It will be one or the other.
6:13 - it appeared that there were a good amount of newbies, but not really a good weekend for it. It's a weekend that kids take school visits or they are playing in Pres. Day's tourneys (ECNL event in TX). Lastly, anyone currently on another ECNL team can't try out until after May 1st unless they get a release from their current club. Can't imagine anyone doing that with the entire season in front of you. Another in May. I imagine that one will be well attended.
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