Wildcats Averbuch just beat NJ Rush Blue as well 2-0 only 2 weeks before in EDP league game.
10:34 they did sign up their "A" team up for the NATIONAL PREMIER LEAGUES (EDP). This sounds very much the like the MF debate - who's the A team? Any team can sign up for NCS but the club signs up their team for NPL. That being said it doesn't matter who you think the "A" team is - Actions speak louder than Words.
12:40 Big difference. I am sure the competition was a lot better than the 9-0 game. Coming from a parent from NJ Hamilton, I am sure. You should not be trying to play with the big boys. Your record shows it. The problem with NJ Rush Blue is their goalies I hear. But isn't that everyone's problem. NJ Rush Blue has the ability to beat them unlike NJ Rush Hamilton. Rush Blue also came in second in EDP 6-0-1 with only loss to Averbuch which is the number 1 in EDP Central. Can Rush Hamilton say that? I think not. NJ Hamilton plays lower competition teams.
NEW JERSEY RUSH 01 GIRLS BLUE lost to SJEB NPL 01 (1:2) who lost 10:0 to NEFC are you saying the same thing about SJEB? Maybe the Grey team had a bad day and this same NJ Wildcat team bet up LVU 6:0 are you saying they are a bad team also?
7:17 Noone said A team versus B team. Was just stating the stronger team should have played EDP NPL . I don't think NJ Rush distinguishes that. Rush Blue plays against all those teams in EDP NPL already, why not again have Blue 01 play again, not the weaker Rush Hamilton team. It looks bad for NJ Rush to send weaker teams to play harder competition. It give NJ Rush a bad name. IMO. What is "Action speaks louder than words" mean anyway is the context?
NJ Rush Blue beat LVU 2-1. What is your point in all of this? Obviously you are from Rush Grey. Your team needs work. Stay with your current teams and beat them before moving to better competition and getting killed. You look ridiculous. Are you going to Bethesda? Maybe you'll do better there.
NJ Rush Blue beat SJE 3=0 in league standings. I don't know when they lost . If they did they probably had a bad day. SJE is not good but I'm sure they will beat NJ Rush Grey. Rush Grey plays lower competition at all times. Are you going to Bethesda? Well good luck there , hopefully they place you within your competition level.
Wow. What a rush this morning. I can't keep track of which shitty team they are talking about.
NJ Rush BlueNational Championship Series u11-u1410/25/2015 SJEB '01G NPL (NJ) 1-2EDP League game10/30/2015 SJEB '01G NPL (NJ) 3-0NEW JERSEY RUSH HAMILTON WILDCATS 01 GIRLS (NJ) lost 1-0 to SJEB in March. So they both lost to SJEB by a goal.Stop trying to sell that team. Let their Actions speak. Look at PDA Dragons we don't read about them anymore - PDA stopped that -they took away their GS points from their own tournament which dropped the flight value of their league and kept them out of the top flights see earlier this year at FC Stars when they tried to make a case for being moved up. They now see the writing on the wall they are nothing but a B team they have NPL and their 2 tournaments. This will happen to NJ Rush Blue as well or they will pull a MF out of the bag and NJ Rush will make one team to play NPL? or we have another option the entire team can pull a Nj Wildcats Galaxy nd move to NJ Stallions or Jersey United both have weak NPL teams they will clearly be the A team there.
Just cause you say you are an A team doesn't make you an A team. Saying you are the A team only means you may be the best team in that Club. Doesn't make you a top team in any state or even top 10.
8:23 No one is trying to sell the team. It was a little banter between 2 individuals about 2 teams. One stronger than the other. The Rush club does not consider their teams to be an A,B, or C team. I was just noticing that they sent the wrong team to compete against the stronger teams, that is it. And a response came from someone so I then responded back. If you look at the teams that Blue and Grey have played you will see that Blue plays at the upper competition. This blog is for opinions also.
9:42 opinions are cool keep them going. Just one quick question how can you say" Rush doesn't consider their teams A, B or C? That sounds like you know that first hand- otherwise why pass it along? then you say "you noticed" they sent the wrong team, sound like a stab, well at least that's how I read it.
Well according to this blog if you train against better girls and play against better girls it will make you better. That's what pda and mf claim. So if rush blue green or red sends their weakest team to the wolves, that is making them better players. What is all the discussion about?
9:55 I know from looking at their standings and who they played. I also have read here on these postings in the past. You are reading too much into this man. If I was a part of NJ Rush I would tell you, but my daughter plays for one of these teams listed on this blog, you don't need to know that because are you going to tell me what team your daughter plays for? I doubt it. Observations, that is it. Must we need an adjenda just to post? Relax.
10:07 It wasn't supposed to be a discussion but when I stated an opinion someone from Rush Grey got his panties in an uproar and started making comments and I responded accordingly. I guess he had to attempt to defend the Grey team because he knows i'm right. Oh well, bring it on.
Training is different than a game. In training it can be beneficial to stretch players. At this age winning starts to matter, but for team development purposes you are best served to play a schedule with the most competitive games you can find and which would lead to a a record of 10-10-10. If you are 30-0 or 0-30, you are not maximizing development.
Relax? I didn't say anything crazy did I? I just said it looks like Rush signed up their best team (A) for NPL - just my opinion like you gave yours. So what's up? You can but I can't? PS. Never asked about what team your kid plays nor to do i care that's your business pal.I'm not from Grey and I've been defending them all morning, just saying what it looks like. So are you saying Rush is a big time club that signs up their B team in a NATIONAL LEAGUE?
Thoughts on the US Soccer heading protocol.
Great topic. I agree that heading should not be allowed before U14. That being said, girls should learn proper technique in training before then. I see too many girls at U14 that do not have the proper technique and they are the ones who will get hurt.
926. You ARE a moron (mental capacity of an 8 year old). I have read these posts and their theories of the 2 GS accounts and as I happen to know WHY they exist and you don't stop talking about something you know nothing about. Time for your nap.
Look man - I'm from NY and I call it like I see it. So you are saying a team that has 2 accounts 14K & 12K plays a team that has 13K at a GS event. The team with the 13k beats the team with the 12k and they get 30 GS bonus points instead of 300 Bonus points for beatinga team with way more GS points and the Bonus points for beating a NCS Champ if the other account was used. Sorry, I woke up from my NAP and I'm in a mood to dance today pal. I was going to drop the subject and not post about it but since you want to keep talking let's dance.
So your complaint is 330 got soccer points??? Grow up
STA MORRIS UNITED NPL 01 beat NJCSA ELITE NPL -MANALAPAN2:0BONUS POINTS Match Win +30Results Bonus PointsThese are points awarded to a team for any win or draw in a GotSoccer events. A win is worth 30 points and a draw is worth 10 points. These points are awarded to teams regardless of their rankings.Achievement Bonus PointsThese are points that are awarded for beating a team that is either higher ranked than your team (200+ more rankings points) or a team that has placed in the USYSA National Championship Series at the state, regional or national level. Bonus Points for beating a team that has 200+ more ranking points than your team:Your team gets 10% of that team's points. The bonus points are only awarded in events using GotSoccer tournament software. It's an automatic function and our tournament sofwire calcultes the bonus points. Points are not taken away from any team for this.SO they would miss out on a so many Bonus points, becasue the pother team has 2 accountsto keep for what ever the reason (valid or not) - from a GS perspective it kills the integrity of the rankings. so yes I am a MORON and it's a lot more than 330
If NJCSA keeps one account any team that beats them get 10% of 26k that's a lot more than 30 or 330
you are right i am a MORON i need to go NAP.
Yes we must all listen to the NJCSA Girls DOC and shut up. The lack of class and gutter language is a disgrace. Calling anyone who raises a question a moron, douche, idiot,etc. He feels he can intimidate any one who questions his underhanded moves into silence.My favorite is his rant "I'm sure club officials who are smarter than any of us know the reason". "In fact, their logic for doing so should not even be questioned. Case closed."That has got to be the most inane, self serving post I have seen."Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain"(For those who remember The Wizard of Oz).
Do your homework before you post, so you don't look foolishFrom got soccer 300 Point Maximum:There is a maximum limit of 300 points on all bonus points awarded. We do not award more than 300 points for any achievement.
Its not the same group of playersNo way is that a 26000 point team
12:07 you are correct I AM a MORON - I posted that already
What is,a 26k team????????
NEWSS --- National Elite Womens Soccer Showcase11/28/2015-11/29/2015Accepted Teams 295 Total: Girls U13 Girls U14 Showcase RedBracket A Bracket B NJCSA ELITE (NJ)CESC CALVERT-ELITE CREW (MD)YANKEE UNITED F.C. BLAST NPL-01 BLUE (CT)ALBERTSON FURY '01 ECNL (NYE) OAKWOOD SC (CT)NJ CRUSH FC TSUNAMI 01 NPL (NJ)NJ WILDCATS GALAXY (NJ)MANHATTAN SC G01 PRIDE NPL (NYE) Showcase WhiteBracket A Bracket B RAMAPO VALLEY SC TORNADOS '02 (NYE)MASSAPEQUA NPL LIL' ROWDIES (NYE)CSU U14G NEP ELITE (MA)BEACHSIDE SC CT BEACHSIDE (CT) LAGRANGE RAGE (NYE)ATLETICO FC GIRLS '01 (NYE)TSF ACADEMY 01/02G (NJ)SMITHTOWN KICKERS SC EAST MEADOW NPL SMITHTOWN STARS (NYE) Elite RedBracket A Bracket B ALLEYCATS ELITE NEKO 01/02-NPL (NYE)FC LONG ISLAND ALLIANCE G01 (NYE)QUICKSTRIKE FC QSFC ELITE 02' (NYE)ALBERTSON FURY WEST (USA) PERFECT TOUCH SA GIRLS 01-02 (NYE)HAUPPAUGE HOT SHOTZ (NYE)CFC ARSENAL (CT)FC WESTCHESTER ELITE QUICKSTRIKE FC ELITE (AKA FCWE 02) (NYE) Elite WhiteBracket A Bracket B FC LONG ISLAND UNITED G01 (NYE)ALBERTSON FURY 01 NPL (NYE)WORLD CLASS FC '01 (USA)CAPITAL UNITED SC BLUE FORCE (NYE) NY XTREME FC G-02 (NYE)NEW ROCHELLE RT PREMIER (NYE)NJ STALLIONS ACADEMY TEMPEST (NJ)LEVITTOWN SUPERSONICS (NYE)
what is a 26k team?GS PTS (GS NAT RANK)14,478 (48) NJCSA ELITE NPL-MANALAPAN13,494 (57) NJCSA ELITE-MANALAPAN27,972 (5) COMBINED Compared to30753 NEFC ELITE U14 GIRLS29573 SOUTH SHORE SELECT U14 ELITE28975 FC VIRGINIA ECNL 01
Lol!!! Got Soccer!
I think Marzaspam is just as good as NEFC, no seriously.
Don't forget they combined USYSA roster with players from Boca to win state cup this fall.
The full points would not carry over. If combined, GS would calculate the 20% when moving into the account and we readjust.Total points would be more like 22 or 23 k
Not even a top ten team in NJ
7:57 - 100% true - -njcsa has been notorious over the past few years for roster, and GS points manipulation... Then they have the audacity to say that the girls were on their roster all year.... really? But they're playing for other teams, until you need them.I wouldn't send my daughter there under any circumstances... Mommy and Daddy coaches, players routinely sitting for "guest" players... Lord knows the crap that the middle ranked players and parents have to deal with... that HAS to be a nightmare.Add 11:38 post, and you get the classless, and pathetic 'leadership' that is prevailing there.It's all pretty dubious. And NO i am not jealous of one iota of what goes on there... Almost every parent in NJ sees right through the smoke and mirrors.What names are you going to call me after this post?
You are right about NJCSA Elite and their underhanded leadership.This earlier post from 11:38AM repeated below says it all."Yes we must all listen to the NJCSA Girls DOC and shut up. The lack of class and gutter language is a disgrace. Calling anyone who raises a question a moron, douche, idiot,etc. He feels he can intimidate any one who questions his underhanded moves into silence.My favorite is his rant "I'm sure club officials who are smarter than any of us know the reason". "In fact, their logic for doing so should not even be questioned. Case closed."That has got to be the most inane, self serving post I have seen."Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain"(For those who remember The Wizard of Oz)."November 11, 2015 at 11:38 AM
Why don't you just come out and say bring your kids to the Wildcats. Your bitterness is pathetic. I have no affiliation with either team but would like to tell you to shut up also. This should be about the kids not the gripe you have with the other teams coaching staff. It seems you do this every month. No I'm not bitter.
12:13 You sound like someone that has moved from club to club. Not realizing that club officials first concern is:1. Safety of PLayers2. Development of PLayers3. Offering multiple levels of play for different levels of players4. Offering great soccer training at the lowest cost possible5. Making sure parents know that the club has a direction that benefits all players. Parents need not worry as the club has their best interest in mind.
When you win the State Cup you have earned an invitation to the regional or national event also possible higher seeding in some tourneys. If you feel the winners are not in the top 10 of New Jersey, why was your team not in the finals. My feeling is if your team chose not to play, they should get pushed back in the rankings . It is too easy for a team to say because the competition is bad we no longer do the State Cup instead of coming on here badmouthing the teams that did play.
That's a great defense for lower level teams playing in State Cup, both PA and NJ. But lets put it this way. If teams that normally play F1 at tournaments were told they had a choice to play in an F4 bracket or not play at all, which do you think they would choose? At least in a tournament forum they would only have to waste one weekend instead of three or four.
Let's put it this way, seems like PDA and match fit don't enter their teams because if somebody beats them they will look bad. They really have nothing to gain by winning the State Cup. You know as well as I any team can win if they have a good day. When PDA shire beat your team didn't you cried that they used storm players., they simply had a good day.
Say what you want but there is a large gap between the MF and PDA ECNL teams and the rest of the state. Even their B teams are starting to separate themselves from everyone.
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8:28 & 9:41 you got it all wrong and you all can hate me for what i'm about to say.PDA/MF don't play state cup because they both know they can win IT and if they win it then they have a schedule nightmare. As it is both teams played in MA earlier for FC Stars Cup in the year, both teams will travel to MD or VA for a tournament in addition to overnight stays in CT, MA & NY/PA (depends on game time) for league games. This doesn't include the San Diego ECNL event and the ECNL Playoff played in CA.You want these teams to play in WV and possibly TX also? Really. I don't think they are scared or even care if they lose any games as long as they get to where they need to be.GS 4 Life
Some Key Dates - April 1-3, 2016 ECNL U14 Showcase San Diego, CAMay 7-8, 2016 ECNL U14 Showcase Greer, SCJune 11-12 North East Girls NPL PlayoffsJune 10-12 Region I ODP Tournament New JerseyJune 23-28, 2016 ECNL PLAYOFFS Oceanside, CAJune 25-26 Region I ODP Tournament Semis and Finals Kirkwood, DeJuly 1-5 2016 US Youth Soccer Region I Championships Barboursville, WVJuly 12-16 Region I Girls ODP ID Camp: 2002/2001/1999 - Rhode IslandJuly 14-18, 2016 NPL Finals Aurora, COJuly 25-30 2016 US Youth Soccer National Championships Frisco, TX
The reason I posted the dates are to show possible conflicts. Let's take a NorthEast Girls NPL player, let's say their team makes the playoffs well then they have to pick between NPL Playoffs and ODP Tournament, let's say they picked NPL playoffs - the team qualifies for NPL Finals which is the same time as the Region 1 ODP camp also a decision to make either way money thrown away as you can only be in one place at one time. ECNL players have the same issues as it is they might have to travel to CA twice, If they played ODP and their state team advance to playoffs then they have a conflict with ECNL playoffs. So to have a team play in both US Club and USYSA events will cost the parents thousands of dollars in travel and that's just ONE year.So we can talk about teams being scared and teams picking a side to spite the other. I think it's simple at some point you will have to make a choice and the ECNL CLubs have. They play their 20+ league schedule plus another 12-16 games in 4 events plus any post season they qualify for if any. So they gave up NJYSA NCS and US Club State Cups to avoid qualifying for additional events and to save some money - that's what I think.
Yes there is a big separation between pda and mf ecnl and the rest. But what do they do when,they leave nj for tournaments. I will give mediocre at best. They can't beat any of the top notch teams from mass Virginia or anywhere else. After those 2 teams anyone you want to put in the top 20 in nj can beat each other on any given day.
To think that PDA, Match Fit, Penn Fusion or almost any ECNL team (excluding the bottom dwellers) is scared to play state cup, is about as dumb as a statement as you can get. They might get one almost decent game out of the whole experience. Be glad those teams allow lower level teams to enjoy themselves and have a chance to win something.
DisagreeThere is an A- group of teams sitting below the A level of Match Fit ECNL and PDA ECNL - at this age.And there continue to be A- teams at higher age groups, at times surpassing the level of the ECNL clubs - whether it be for a stretch or permanently
Thanks for the dates, 10:21Gives us a chance to see who we may be missing at certain key times next spring/summer
@10:50You have obviously never been involved with securing fields/refs and coordinating with the opposing team on a league schedule let alone trying to juggle all that crap by adding in State Cup which also brings its own scheduling/refs/date issues into play. It really is no longer worth the hassle to many clubs/teams.Considering a team can go to a tournament and play four teams they have never seen before over a weekend or sign up for state cup and play the same teams you see consistently over the years over a two month period it seems like an easy decision for some to forgo the State Cup. Have to also keep in mind beginning with this age group allot of these girls are also playing school ball which can be another negative impact on trying to get things scheduled and/or overuse injuries due to the amount of games.
So what does a player do, say a top level player on the NPL team has the league playoffs or the NPL finals up against an ODP Region I event? If they go to the NPL they clearly help their season team, but lose a chance to represent and/or be identified through ODP. If they choose ODP they get seen by some important eyes, but let their team down. Is there a right answer?
I would say they probably go to ODP - without risking any backlash from their teams.Seems silly to be so honored with an ODP invite and not see it through
There is no invite to ODP. Anyone that made ODP can pay to go to regional camp.
11:05 I would love to see that list of "A" teams that they could play and have relevant games throughout. Especially for PF on the PA side. If Match Fit and PDA both joined in State Cup, at least they would get to play each other.
um.... they already play each other.
Match Fit more often eventually lost to non ECNL teams when they played State Cup.
First off there 2 NJ State Cups one in the fall(US Youth) and the other in Spring(US Club). Doesn't PDA and MF teams join the Spring Cup anyway. To my understanding PDA & MF do not participate in NJ Fall State Cup because the teams do not want to waste $ and time on carding for 3,4 games on top of that doesn't the sanctioning rules state a team must compete in at least a 4-team approved league during the current seasonal year in its State Association Soccer National League, or with its State Association’s permission in another State Association. PDA and MF do not qualify to participate in Fall State Cup anyway. I still wonder how other teams that play EDP and non-US Youth sanctioning tournaments are able to participate.
And fall state cup games have scheduling priority over league games. In the spring state cup, the scheduling of state cup games is more flexible.
429 Agree! I also hear PDA and MF do not participate because they may have girls outside NJ roster from PA or NY so does that mean anything if a child that lives in NY plays in a NJ state cup. NO!
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457 There you go a PDA team in state cup in fall so let's stop the non-sense now. As this fall state cup will be a thing of the past the next few months.
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5:09. That is the spring list not fall.
I just looked at the standings for U13 and U14 ECNL and NPL and found each of the 4 standings had PDA in 1st, 2nd or both with a combined record of 50w 6l 7t 137gd against the rest of the teams. I am from PA not from PDA, but that is impressive for our 01 and 02 age groups. I guess that is why the lemmings put up with the 20+ rosters ?
Other than the U14 ECNL team, the other 5 teams have only 18 players from what I see.
I AM FROM PA!! You meant PDA. LMAO!
PDA should be the top choice for any kid who can afford to pay, is good enough to play and has the desire to play beyond high school. Distance well that's for the parents to decide.The only questions there should be are: When is the right to time to make the jump? There are plenty of good trainers out there at many clubs who don't cost as much and are probably closer to home. IMO - it's U15When is the right time to get out? There are plenty of players coming who were developed elsewhere that are ready to make the jump (see above). IMO - As a parent if your kid is bottom half at U13 and U14 it is likely your spot will be gone by U16.I am not a PDA person (distance is the issue) but I find it odd that a family with the means ($) and kid with goods (talent and desire) who live within a reasonable distance would pass up that club.
Additionally, if player is not planing on playing college ball, PDA may not the best environment.
meant not planning
Can we please stop with the "I am not from" and "I am not a..". You are with that club bottom line. No one outside looking in puts that stuff in writing unless you're promoting the club. The outsiders hate you and the other successful clubs. Distance is no issue if your kid is good enough to make the ECNL or NPL roster. I know of player(s) 2+ hours away who make the trek. You don't need to sell the brand. It's already good and everyone knows it.
I posted the last "I am not from" comment. If I were truly from PDA why would I advocate leaving at U13 or U14 if your kid wasn't top half? Think about it.. why would a club shill say such a thing? And to really clear if my kid was NPL level a two hour drive wouldn't be worth it. I may drive 2 hours for ECNL but at U10-U14 never.
Because its true. If you're kid isn't top half at PDA or MF then you're absolutely right. They will be replaced very soon.
PDA/MF/PF NPL vs FCBucks/Delco ECNLNot who would win but which looks better on a resume.
Elite teams do not have top half/bottom half
LOL resume. It is obvious on the field who can play well in whatever league, or for whatever club they compete.
Compared to the way they will be at 15 or 16 there is a top and bottom half right now. Each year the rosters get better and the depth goes farther.
Elite teams do have a top half.
10:28 you will quickly realize who you play for and where you play does matter. It also matters who you play against. If it didn't matter they wouldn't ask and then encourage players they are recruiting to move onto higher level teams.
Agreed but who can play is still who can play.
Agree to that too but there are still kids over the next few years who will bust through and elevate and some who will fizzle out. That's why these rosters, not just at the top teams, will change over the next few years.
Question for mainly ECNL parents? Does your kids coach routinely play her in at least 2 positions on the field? Or are they a ___ and that's what they are.
You can have the resume with the best team from the best club and that will be a great player I am sure. But no resume, club, team, coach or bank account can replace raw talent. It exists and it can not be purchased.
All this PDA talk and not a one has ever looked from the inside outPerhaps the view may be a little different if you have seen it from the inside.Most know that my oldest was a graduate of this fine establishment but i would never bring my youngest to such a fine establishment.Soccer Nut
10:28Let's sayKid A = plays for 1776, NJ Rush, NJCSA, PAC, YMS, NJ Wildcats GalaxyKid B = plays for PDA/MF/PF NPLKid C = plays for FC Bucks ECNL. Delco ECNLAll 3 want to play for Arizona University and enroll in one of their BA degrees. Obviously this school hasn't seen any of them play so they don't know who the better fit is, but all 3 of them are playing in a west coast tournament 60 miles away from the school and all 3 games are at the same time, the staff can only watch one play - who do they pick?I would say the ECNL kid first.
Probably the kid who's been reaching out to the AS coach telling them she wants to play there. The player has been in contact with the staff through emails and they have a heads up the player will be in the area for a showcase. Regardless of the team she has the best chance out of all 3.
7:14 here again with another question for you gurus. It's almost Showcase time for our kids and the games aren't played to award a champion any longer.Do teams like 1776, NJ Rush, NJCSA, PAC, YMS, NJ Wildcats Galaxy play to showcase their players by playing all their kids at least half the game or are they still playing to win at a "SHOWCASE" event?I would hope all the kids play at least 50% of the game -which brings up the question where would you want your kid playing if all play 50%?
7:22 let's say all 3 have been pro-active equally.
It would be the kid that catches the coaches attention at his college camps. It would not matter the league as long as it was competive. All that would matter is the coaches need and if that kid fits and is a standout at his camps. Soccer Nut
The college coach wants to win. If they are competent and can evaluate players, they will choose the player that can best help them win. If they rely on a brand to guide their choice, they will end up with what that brand can provides. In the case of the ECNL, in may be a great player or it may be a not so great a player.
And obviously, they will not have access to the great player that is not playing on an ECNL team.
7:24 I don't know maybe they make an attempt to catch one game each. Soccer Nut could probably answer that.
Also do not discount the importance of playing for a club coach who has many contacts among the college coaches and has developed relationships over many years of sending players on to college. The college coach or assistant coach will be much more inclined to watch a highlight tape if it is from a prospect who has been recommmended by her club coach whose opinion of whether she can play at that school in respected by the college coach.Smae goes for going out to see a player at a showcase tournament if they have been recommended by a club coach who they know and whose opinion they respect.
714 The College coach picks the club that he/she has the most network with so they can retrieve feedback from the club level. 924 I totally agree sometimes it's about the club's internal and external network of who knows who that helps as well. Not a PDA parent but as many know they have a huge network following.
Agree. I depends a lot on the club coach or club DOC and their reputation for giving honest information on their players. Good coaches will know where their players belong. Regardless of where you choose to have your daughters play, if they want to play in college, you better make sure their coach is experienced with placing kids in college. Also sending a highlight tape would help the college differentiate between the different players and which kids to watch that day.
Why is a highlight tape more effective than a running tape that that includes time on and off the ball. Seems like a better tool for a player evaluation than a highlight tape. IF i were a coach, i would want to see the good, the bad and the ugly.
predictions in local FD play tomorrow? Boca or GPS, versus Nefc, I cannot see any other team coming out of that first bracket, unless Denville can have a great weekend.
7:14 Weren't you already shown the numbers on west coast teams taking eastern players? Use another example, because those west coast tournaments do nothing for our region one ECNL teams. Disney would be a better example, southeaster teams actually do recruit talent from our area and I think ECNL players are actually recruited there. Get it in your head guys, the west coach does not care about the east coast players. Going out there IS FUN, and it is also a great opportunity to play teams from the south and west. But for every great player we send out there, a west coast coach has five of them right in his backyard that he can watch play multiple times. So can we please stop with importance of this highly touted tournament? Its a great tournament to have fun and really great for team and parent bonding. So enjoy it for what it is.
10:36 and 10:38You are both right. For our older kid we hired a service that makes videos for players and sends them off to colleges or you can send them yourself. The company does make sure that the shots being sent are of when your child is at their best during a game. The coaches receiving the footage already know this though, so all it really doing is hopefully showing him/her the possibility of the potential he/she needs to see. Basically your just hoping to get a foot in the door and give them a reason to look further at the player. Even after using this service, I'm still up in the air on whether its a good use of funds. I would be interested to see if anyone else out there tried this and what they thought?PL Parent
Unless it is preceded by a phone call recomendation that the player can play for his program from a club coach who knows that College Coach, the college coach will throw the highlight tape in the trash unwatched, especially if the tape is sent by the player or the players parent. If your club coach has connections and is known and respected by that college coach then that will get them out to watch you play and watch your highlight tape.
Thanks 11:28. That is something I did not include. It wasn't until a Florida tournament that things stated to turn, so I doubt the video did any good. But as 11:28 said, club affiliation and a coach that has contacts, trumps anything we can do on our own. Pretty sure having the video made was money tossed overboard, but not the first or last time that will happen. Question for you fellas. Are there any ID camps worth two cents? It seems like every college does the ID camp thing and I find it hard to believe its not just another big money grab. Wouldn't mind sending my 17 year old to one, but it just feels like more money over the side of the boat.PL Parent
Send the tape. Coaches watch them if they are not too lengthy.So....how about some projections for the ECNL teams this weekend (Flight 1) at Bethesda?MarylandPenn FusionMatch FitBethesdaAlbertson10 games - (2 each)I will say 4-4-2
Okay let me try again3 kids all contacted the same college coach Somewhere more than 500 miles from where they play club ball and the player's coach did not contact the college coach and the collage coach did not contact the club - I repeat ALL did the same pro-active steps. The Coach has NEVER seen any of the 3 and can only watch ONE play for this question since they have some freee time to kill if they like they take the next step if not they wonder if they made the right choice. Who do you think they will pick? I already said the ECNL player would be my choice.Scenario 1Kid A = plays for 1776, NJ Rush, NJCSA, PAC, YMS, NJ Wildcats GalaxyKid B = plays for PDA/MF/PF NPLKid C = plays for FC Bucks ECNL. Delco ECNLScenatio 2Kid A plays National League GREATER BINGHAMTON UNITED FC 01 SELECTKid B plays ECNL for FC Bucks/CFC DelcoKid C plays #1 GotSoccer team from NJ - NJ WILDCATS GALAXYKid D plays #1 GotSoccer team from PA - 1776 UNITED FC XTREMEKid E plays NJ NCS Champions NJCSA ELITE-MANALAPANKid F plays NPL for PDA/MF/PF
I would say the coach says the hell with all those selections and takes the player from Norway or Finland. Or the looks out west and says "man, those players are so much better". Of course he may look at the FC Bucks player and wonder how the rec player got in the discussion.
You all realize some of these coaches are looking for 1-3 players, right?Other years maybe more....So timing is important as well if you have a particular school in mind. Get in their ears and in font of their eyes as early as possible (pre freshman ID camp at the school, for instance)
Simple question but not one straight answer. Not one of you guys gave your opinion on this? You all danced around the question.
Timing is particularly critical if you are a GK. A school may only roster at most 3 at any given time. More than a year or two could pass without one being a recruited. You need to review rosters a few years in advance to forecast when there may be a need for a GK.
Does any know if they will be posting the scores for the ECNL Showcase in Phoenix this coming weekend. Curious to see how FC Virginia U14 ECNL does out there?
FC Virginia tied SC Del Sol ECNL 1-1 today in Phoneix.
FCV aren't playing any really good ECNL teams, at least judging by where those teams rank in their divisions. Seems like FCV would have played better competition by staying home and playing at Bethesda.
Well, They didn't win today so...It's a good opportunity to play teams from other parts of the country, especially teams from warmer climates that are outside year round.
Some ScoresU14 Showcase Event - Phoenix 0 San Juan Soccer Club ECNL U14 2 Vardar ECNL U142 West Coast FC ECNL U140 Carolina Elite Soccer Academy ECNL U141 FC Virginia ECNL U141 SC Del Sol ECNL U141 Colorado Storm ECNL U140 Atlanta Fire ECNL U140 SLSG - MO ECNL U143 Mustang SC ECNL U14GS 4 life
Always hard to judge how well a team will play after a cross-country flight, but having seen both FCV and SC Del Sol play, I'm also a bit surprised that FCV did not win.Personally, I think FCV and Michigan Hawks should have spent their money this season on the San Diego Showcase in April. That group is stacked:Arsenal FCBoston Breakers AcademyEagles SCFC DallasIrvine Strikers FCJacksonville FCMatch Fit AcademyMustang SCPDAPenn Fusion SAReal ColoradoSo Cal Blues SC
Sorry U14 Traveling across the U.S. to play games a meaningless waste of $$$.
Says the person who's kid is probably playing in the local Fall Classic.
Your wrong 4:15. There is a distinct possibility that at least 1.3% of that team will be looked at by a coach. Maybe not this year, but at least the time they go back out there as U17's. So maybe for the other 98.7% its a waste, but the numbers prove that it does happen. So if each player pays $1500 to travel out there and that totals $27,000.00, there is a great chance that 1.3 percent of that money is well spent. So you can see that your not seeing the bigger picture here and the great opportunity that all the players are receiving.
First of all if it's not your $$$ why care? Second, those players are getting an amazing experience by playing some of the top teams in the country at a venue where there are dozens of college coaches taking note of players to watch. Not a bad vacation either. There is only one game per day so plenty of time to sight see.
All you have to do is check the commitments from each team. Seems more like 98% to me.
HaHa you are all cool aid drinkers and still I think it's a waste of $$$ at U14. Now at U16+ maybe. @458 98% Commitments at U14 come on man. Half the roster will turnover by next year anyway and more turnover when they hit U16+. I'll wait till U16 to join an ECNL team if I we need the additional exposure then I'll laugh it all the way to bank of how much $$ all you folks spend the now and the next two years, and yes my MIA has been asked plenty of times to move to the ECNL environment already.
Initially I thought that a trip like that with my family sounded fun. But now I realize that you guys are right. It wouldn't be fun at all. Zero fun. Well, maybe not zero fun, but certainly not enough fun per dollar spent, right?
You wouldn't last.
Well lets do a little mote than that. Lets check the rosters of the west coast team that we haven't check so far. If you remember, by last count we checked over 60 schools and found 11 region one players on their rosters. So here we go and we'll just go to the west coast schools in the top 25. Starting at:#3 ranked StanfordGreat job by NJ with this school. as there are two players from NJ here. One from Far Hills NJ and one from Edmonds NJ#10 ranked BYUAgain NJ comes in strong with a player from Plainsboro NJ#14 Ranked Santa ClaraUnfortunately they do attend the tournaments out west, but find not interest in region one players. Instead taking players from British Columbia, Sweden, and two from New Zealand and the German School in Silicon Valley.#15. Ranked CalHats off to Riverdale County NY. They have a player rostered here. #18 Ranked Texas A&MAlmost a complete roster of Texas and Cal players here. Must not attend the Phoenix and San Diego Tournaments or only watch the Cal teams play.#19 Ranked Texas TechNo region one players here. See above.#21 Ranked USCGreat job by Faith Sugerman out of Hamilton NJ to make this great squad as a keeper. But that's it#24 Ranked South AlabamaNo region one players but do have five players from England. Those English teams must do really well at the San Diego tournament.San Jose State with zero players also. 240 players with those ten teams and a total of 7 region one players rostered. I will check in weekly for you guys and try to find these schools you guys are talking about that are watching these tournaments. The numbers are now are less than one percent rostered. Congrats to NJ by the way.
It stinks that this luxury league came along and sucked up some of the good players with $$$ and separated good soccer players by income instead of talent.
4:58 Could you please point out those dozens of coaches that are taking notes? This way we can make sure which rosters to check out. Yes, it is your money to spend and all of us on here spend a crazy amount doing this with multiple kids playing multiple sports. Who wouldn't want to go out west for a great vacation and enjoy the pacific, and I'm sure most make it a five day stay as we do in Florida. But don't make a claim about all these coaches watching all the girls and then resort to "its not your money" as a last defense. Yes it is fun playing teams from out west and FCV and their families are having a great time. But remember what it is, a vacation with some soccer being played.
I, for one, would be willing to concede that it is a vacation with some soccer, if you would concede that it is the best grouping of soccer teams in the country. Bar none:Arsenal FCBoston Breakers AcademyEagles SCFC DallasJacksonville FCMatch Fit AcademyMustang SCPDAPenn Fusion SAReal ColoradoSo Cal Blues SC
They are great teams that leave out so many great players and are full of great/good players that can fly on a plane to a soccer game.e
They aren't leaving anyone out. Tryouts are open.Can't afford it? Get a job that pays better. What is the issue here?
lol...not leaving anyone out. Job pays fine. My superstar and her siblings will not be flying to soccer games but her former team mate will. (who is very good player - not best on the former team but very good). bummer
All this concern over what ECNL families are spending... That's why it's a choice people. You don't like it (or your kid can't make it) then you enjoy what you have. End of story but stop the hate in the ones who CHOOSE to go this route. You end up looking like jealous fools no matter how much you try to cover it up.
Who's trying to cover it up? I wish we could do it. making it is not the issue.
ECNL or Non ECNL. Decide what's best for your own child and shut up already.Bethesda predictions?
I wish more my kids team had her good team mate back. current coach is a great teacher and match for my player. oh well.
Yes . ECNL or Non ECNL. Decide what's best for your own child and shut up already. I love forums where everyone shuts up.. makes for great conversation.
predictions are a snooze, have fun.
Bickering over ECNL vs Non ECNL is ridiculously boring. Same convo everytime. Move on.
Pretty hard to have a conversation what with all the constant advice on how folks should spend their money."Look at the competition at this showcase!""Why would you spend your money on that?"
FCV sure must've played a bad game to have tied SC Del Sol (2-7-0). 7 GF and 19 GA on their season so far.
7:28 and 7:44 Never has there been a question over someone telling anyone how to spend money. We all spend crazy amounts of money, regardless whether its non-ecnl or ecnl. The response was to a poster saying how much players in Phoenix and San Diego were getting looked at by coaches. The coaches are looking, its just that they are primarily looking at the other teams. There is no doubt these are terrific vacation plans that are made even better because parents get to watch their daughter play soccer. And by the way, how about a pat on the back to those NJ girls out there bucking all the odds? There are two NJ sister at Notre Dame also. That family has got to be proud.
How aboutique the ecnl lovers go to the ecnl blog. They do have one. But you have no one to brag to on there.
This is a U14 blog. Deal with it or don't read it.
So if you look over college roster's like Temple's, St. Joe's, Rider and schools of similar stature, there are PDA players sprinkled throughout (three on Temple's). It was earlier posted that ecnl club's parents are not looking for schools like this and are looking for real school for their kids to attend. So is this like a total slap in the face to attend such inferior schools when only major D1 schools are what's expected? Oh yeah, Match Fit has players attending also. Or are those PDA players just the lesser PDA players that could not make the Rutgers roster? And how fair is it that Princeton has only two NJ girls, yet have six California players? At least #3 ranked Penn State is carrying ten PA players and one NJ girl (Rutgers and Penn State seem to stay local). It is amazing how you can find California players on almost every roster, even ST John's has three.
No the question was simple3 kids all contacted the same college coach at Arizona and the player's coach did not contact the college coach and the collage coach did not contact the club - I repeat ALL did the same pro-active steps (videos - no camps). The Coach has NEVER seen any of the 3 live and can only watch ONE play for this question since they have some free time to kill and the event was in their backyard. Who do you think they will pick? I already said the ECNL player would be my choice over the unknown club to them and the league brand would trump the club brand in my opinion. Does this mean the ECNL player is better NO - but they have to pick one and this would be MY choice not the right choice or the wrong choice just MY choice. This has morphed into everything but an honest opinion to defend Kid A or Kid BScenario 1Kid A = plays for 1776, NJ Rush, NJCSA, PAC, YMS, NJ Wildcats GalaxyKid B = plays for PDA/MF/PF NPLKid C = plays for FC Bucks ECNL. Delco ECNL
Kid A -- great Radiohead album.And while we're discussing these scenarios, Kid A just beat Kid B 5-0 in Bethesda. So much for "brand".
PDA Ajax must be terrible. It usually takes 1776 3 or 4 games to score 5 goals.
Ajax is the #1 team in the mighty NE NPL!! Someone remind me again how strong that league is and how weak EDP south was. Ha! Or better yet tell us again how even PDA's B&C teams are as good if not better than all other non ecnl teams. A years worth or ridiculous arguements settled this morning.
I'm not there. I have no idea how the game went down and I'm not affiliated with either team. But I know that the score doesn't always tell the whole story about a game or a team. Just because Ajax lost this game badly, it doesn't mean the are horrible or the me npl league is horrible.
910. You perimeters are very limited to frame your argument. But in the real world of recruiting substance is always the deciding factor. And the perimeters are much wider. Your decisions should be made on position on the team 'playing time,Coach ,team and finally league. Only if theses perimeters are satisfactory then and only then is your argument a valid one. However for must these variables do not often line up. Soccer Nut. Soccer Nut
11:25 A 5-0 beat down pretty much does tell the whole story. The Mighty AJAX just got smacked around by a team that lost 3-0 just a week before, and in their supposedly weak league. Ajax might have come in forth in the EDP League, but I doubt it.
Not getting any better for the NE NPL as #3 MF NPL only manages a tie with PAGS #5 HMMS. If 4 of last years teams not left PAGS would HMMS even be in Div 1? And I won't even bring up Cont. NPL. Maybe PF NPL can salvage alittle respect for the league.
1776 managed a total of 11 goals against EDP foes RAGE, HFC Ready, Harford, Calvert, and PL. Yet knocked out five against the superior NPL AJAX team. The only other teams 1776 scores like that against is Pipeline and Boca, so I guess we have found where the similarities lie. Although Boca never pretends about who they are and their moms are cuter.
Or maybe not! PF NPL only ties SJEB who just a few weeks ago lost 3-1 to BOCA, EDP Souths second weakest team.
Or 1776 brought in some game changing guest players like they have done in the past .
Good effort 12:56. No guest players for 1776 for this one. Kinda sad to see you throw that out there though. Maybe the Mom of the Year on the 1776 sideline scared the poor Ajax girls and they just didn't play well. Or the morning sun was in the Ajax keeper eyes with the high winds making the ball knuckle at the last second. And this one time .............
PAGS # 3 PAC and #4 YMS with quality wins over NJ Sounders and NYSC.
Pda did bring better players, I was there and several key players not in attendance along with ECNL players that play with them. I also notice 4 players from 1776 get uniforms at field. Was told they play for clubs and guesting this week
Did not bring
So Ajax didn't use ecnl ringers which means that's the same lineup as plays NE NPL. That's what I said before, the only reason Ajax and dragons have looked good at F1 in tournaments is because they are using storm players. As far as 1776 using guest players, even if they were they wouldn't hand them uniforms at the field and make it obvious. So I'm going to throw a BS flag down on that one .
I saw them taking PEDS b4 the game too.... what next?? More excuses....
Actually was right next to tent near the field. Pda uses EcNl payers for NPL league
Where would 1776 even have gotten these awesome guest players? Every top team in PA is already playing this weekend. Well not 1, but no way 1776 brings any of them in. And are you serious? NE NPL allows guest players? Or are they rostered with Ajax and play as guests in the ecnl league? I don't think either is allowed but do explain.
I guess all those guest players & PEDs didn't help 1776 against Maryland United. Nice win by the Wildcats over Albertson though. Thats something neither PDA storm or MF ECNL were able to do this fall . No magic this weekend for FC Frederick. Looks like a great showdown this afternoon between BRYC and match fit.
In top division all 4 teams playing second game of the day lose to teams playing first game of their day.Its been brought up before.Nice to see only 2 of them were ECNL teams, so no slant there.
ECNL 3-1-2 in top flight, 4 to playCould have all ECNL Final 4
Same old 1776. Beats up on a b or c level team but comes up small against an A level team.
Summing up late games/top bracket, to get to semi:1776 (1-1, +3 bonus points) needs help from PDA Ajax. MD United win/tie has them advancingCrush needs to win vs Penn Fusion to advance - since PF has tiebreakBRYC has advantage vs Match Fit in tiebreak, so Match Fit needs winBethesda win vs Wildcats puts them in. Wildcats just need a win/tie
2:27. It's definitely an unfair advantage and this format should be changed going foward
Not a good day for pda as storm loses 2-1 to ct. Team in total chaos with poor coach and daddy coach as asst.
1:19 You are so full of shit. The only one that has a different uniform is the striker who is number 24, and she has been with the team all year. If any team should never complain about guest players, its PDA Ajax. How many times have they had players from their parent team and looked better in tourneys? Face it, your middle of PAGS level at best and I'm not sure if you could get by YMS. Stop your crying and BS and "I was near the tent whispering".
@421I have heard the same thing. Daddy coach killing this team keeping his daughter on the field. His influence over current coach is significant. Also understand that deep roster and no MO. Causing major issues. But hey that is what you paid for so I don't feel sorry for them.
Can't imagine the level of soccer in western PA. West PA's number one ranked team which is Century Gold, gets hammered by LVU today. LVU is at best a middle of pack team in any league, although it looks like they would finish in the top half of the NPL league. Even the terrible Ukrainians might do well in their bracket. Does anyone remember what the over/under was for CFC scoring goals?
Lots of upset parents and kids at PDA. And bringing a "me first" girl who has never been on a winning team causes major problems. All kids know who deserve minutes and it's not the kids on the field presently.
@4:29 I didn't see a #24 listed on the 1776 roster . Guest player perhaps ?
No. She lost her original jersey, so she uses that one. PL had the ref check to make sure she was a rostered player the week before during EDP play and it turned out she was on the roster. She is a very good player. Not sure, but her original number might have been 30 or something like that. EDP teams have managed to nullify her for the most part, obviously PDA was not able to do that today.
Any updates on the late games? Schedule is slow to update.
5:52...I guess she was contained in the second game. She's an average player. Nothing special.
2015-16 ECNL U14 Showcase Events - Phoenix Fri, November 13, 20151 FC Virginia ECNL U141 SC Del Sol ECNL U147 East Meadow Soccer Club ECNL U140 HeatSat, November 14, 20150 Atlanta Fire ECNL U142 FC Virginia ECNL U140 FC Nova ECNL U144 East Meadow Soccer Club ECNL U14====================================Elite Clubs National League 2015-2016 Regular Season2 Connecticut FC ECNL U141 PDA ECNL U142 FSA FC ECNL U140 World Class FC ECNL U14===================================NPL Northeast Girls League 2015-16Sat, November 14, 20151 Albertson SC 01 NPL0 FSA FC 01 NPL
BRYC 2Match Fit 0If Bethesda beats Wildcats tonight, Cats will play MFA in the consolation round.
7:21Maybe you want to tell us what team your daughter plays for and her and jersey number and we can all comment on just how mediocre of a player she is. Otherwise don't be an ass by making negative comments about specific player on this board.
Is it worse to lose 2-0 or 3-1? What does everyone think?
7:21 So why sit there bitching about guest players and even go to the point of checking a team roster if she was an average player? A-S-S-H-O-L-E is what you are.
I'm confused. Someone says 1776 used guest player. Someone says they didn't and that said player is rostered and good. Someone says said player is only ok. Isn't the fact that it's still 1776 and they can't beat F1 level teams?
PDA shore coach out at end of spring season .... Parents not happy ... DOC not happy .
NJ WC heading towards championship for NJ. Boca plays well as they should have in weaker field at dix. Boca heading towards championship for NJ. It would be nice with all these out of town teams on our board, being a mostly NJ board to see some NJ teams champions again. I just read about pda shore, they have had issues from day one, winning will solve their problems. South division is hard division to play in this fall season, 1776 strong against another pda team. What is happening to pda? South, Shore? Storm issues????????????
Congrats Cat! What was the score? I assume you are headed for a rematch with Penn fusion tomorrow?
Oops, looked at that wrong, good luck against BRYC, make Jersey proud.
Are WIldcats using guest players? I thought they couldn't win a game against top flight.
8:02 I don't think anyone today has even brought up 1776's ability to win at top flight. Only that they were lucky enough to play their first game against a team that wouldn't beat anyone in the top half of PAGS. Unless of course Ajax brought some guest players along that were a little better than average at best.
This tournament is offering Penn Fusion the easiest run at a tournament championship they have had since going 11v11. Who is offers the best chance of stopping them?
Shame you can't put your ugliness aside and just give a team credit for playing well.
Bethesda Semi finalsMaryland ECNL vs Penn Fusion ECNLNJ Wildcats vs BRYC
Final will be BRYC vs Penn FusionBRYC wins final 2-1
Not according to the web site. Is it wrong?
PF beat Crush 3-1
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