Thursday, May 19, 2016

U15 Girls Youth Soccer

U15 young women players are not playing for fun, they are playing to win.

Best to step aside, because they are about to barrel through...

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Anonymous said...

Congrats to NYSC on getting the DA - as well as the Cedar Stars!

Anonymous said...

It's boys - but yes, congratulations are in order. Caertainlys eems as if everything is in place for a run at a girls GDA in time.

Anonymous said...

In Order? No. Its a freaking mess...trust me, I know.

Anonymous said...

Oh, well, screw you then.

Might learn how to take a compliment.

Anonymous said...

NYSC has not done anything on the girls side to earn a compliment, nothing. They continue to lose their best players year after year because they don't have an ECNL franchise. The GDA was their last, best hope, to retain some quality players, but it turns-out it was just a fantasy.

Anonymous said...

Congrats to the guy who used to post here whose kid got drafted today. I am sure you are very proud!

Anonymous said...

@2:40, what's wrong with you, why you telling the NYSC guy to get screwed?? Seems like he is unhappy, no need to he so rude!

Anonymous said...

Any updates on the almighty GDA? im hearing they may delay another year. Makes sense, no news and very little happening.

Anonymous said...

I agree, nothing being discussed re GDA. Maybe there will be more discussion at the convention re the status.

Haven't some teams had id camps already like Wash Spirit who has two teams (VA and MD)? Why would they hold these if not going forward? And, these are NWSL linked so you would think they have good intel re what is going on. #Mushroom treatment - kept in the dark

Anonymous said...

Screw me, is that the extent of your brain-power? Even though the club has taken many hits these past 12 months, I am more than happy with my little tiger’s progression. She has shown very well at our tournaments, and can compete with any girl, her own age, in this country. She is the mean machine.

Anonymous said...

President's Day Futsal U9-U14, HS, Adult Divisions. $175 one day event.
Convenient to NY/NJ, Philly, MD.

http://www.playbisc.com/soccer/futsal

Anonymous said...

Hey 1/10 @ 9:59 - ECNL tweeted -
Congrats to all of the #ECNLalums drafted tonight in the 2017 @NWSL Draft!
30 of 40 players are former #ECNLers

And, that is ECNL in its infancy, still. I guess this puts that debate to bed.

Anonymous said...

The post will say in 8 years: "congrats to the all the DA alumni that were drafted in the 2025 draft. 30 of the 40 are former DA'ers. "

Anonymous said...

The league won't be around in 8 years. The GDA will consume thousands of lives for a very select few to make the Natl team, maybe two on average per age year have a chance. Stick with npl and ecnl, get into a better college and enjoy high school, other sports and the rest of your families short time with kids. The over the top bunch can buy into the DA crap and then look back and regret their decisions.

Anonymous said...

Amen...

Anonymous said...

2:01 - Study cause and effect (or chickens and eggs) more closely. Does ECNL have more elite players because it is a center of aggregation (and perhaps aggravation) that attracts those players who would be elite anyhow wherever they play, or is it a place that identifies raw talent at an early age and develops that talent over the course of many years. Take a look at PF U15. If not for the uniforms, you might think you were watching last year's PL U14 team. ECNL players are expendable, so when a better prospect comes knocking, someone is shown the door. Of course, over time, this weeding process results in only the top players being left in the league. Essentially, ECNL is huge ID process, but training and development may be no different than anywhere else.

Anonymous said...

I agree and that's what I've been saying for years now. My kid does not play on an ECNL team (could she, I guess that depends on the coach, but an hour plus one way is not worth it to me when she has quality training at her club).

The top of the pyramid (currently ECNL to be replaced by GDA) is where all the kids that have NT dreams will go and that's what you want as a soccer nation. One league with all the top talent. This top of the pyramid league is to take these players to their next level some are more advanced so the next level will vary. Not only will the top of the pyramid be fore NT players but you will also have the top soccer colleges looking to fill their rosters (not the only place they look,but it will be the 1st place they look).

Development means different things to us when it comes to a club. I believe the player needs to work on individual skills on their own and the club needs to work on vision and tactical work (soccer IQ) and not waste time with individual training.

Just my 2 cents

PS. Does the ECNL also take the blame for the success of our younger NTs teams? If you watched any of those games we are in trouble as a soccer nation!

Anonymous said...

Nah - credit the other nations.

It will be cyclical. I like it better than when we just dominated. Competition is better and we will always be competitive.

Anonymous said...

Any updates from the PDA DOC about GDA?

Anonymous said...

Why is the 2002 Match Fit team ranked lower than their 2003 team on YSR? Are they really that bad?

Anonymous said...

Explaining the math is getting old. Theoretically you need a sample of 10 events minimum to have a ranking. Match fit 02s have only played one weekend so any rankkng you are viewing is not accurate. PDA storm as well. You should have early reads by mid april for those teams.

Anonymous said...

Awesome, so they'll be having tryouts for next year before anyone knows if they're good or not. Makes sense.

Anonymous said...

Agreed. Go to the ECNL standings to get some insight for games played. While it may not have the non-ECNL events, it will show how they match up against other ECNL clubs, if that helps. And, I guess look at their Got Soccer record if they attended any events that are recorded on those pages. With new birth year, it's all still being worked out.

Anonymous said...

I recommend actually attending games of the clubs you may wish to try out for.

It doesnt always work with your own schedule and is some extra work but can be eye opening

Anonymous said...

7:32 - Good advice from a truly clinical or business like perspective. However, from the social perspective of a teenager, attending someone else's youth soccer game is sort of "creepy". Probably shouldn't be, but the girls don't necessarily see things the way the adults do.

Anonymous said...

9:11 I agree and this is the problem. If the kid asks the parent to move then you move. The parent taking the kid and trying to sell the kid on a move - well that's not what I would do.

I believe the ECNL was the place to be for years, but my kid doesn't want to move. She has a good coach and good training, so end of story. If she doesn't want it why should I?

Anonymous said...

9:11 - soccer is a huge expense. It's not just a pair of cleats and a ball anymore. So, you check it out.

What if your child doesn't like the coaches' demeanor and playing style? What if you don't? You are the consumer and should do your homework which may mean going to a game or two. Nothing says to stay the entire game, but see how the team clicks, the coaching, the fields and facilities; all of it.

Anonymous said...

Yeah, exactly

I meant the parent going to check out the potential of a club, not the player

Anonymous said...

Keep in mind with ecnl. What if you live in central/South jersey. PDA or MF is it. so you drive 2-4 hours round trip for ecnl? that is majority of reason most dont join. it is similar in pricing I hear? But I cannot subject my kid's to that type of drive. It is actually insane. But obviously if 30 out of 40 is ecnl.

Anonymous said...

@4:39 I guess your a Newbie. PDA is not 2-4 hours round trip from major hotspot in SJ. There is also PDA south branch that has affiliation with PDA's Main ECNL/GDA teams. SJ players also flock over to PA for ECNL/GDA at Penn Fusion as well.

Signed: GDA-Mom!

Anonymous said...

Agreed. btw - Is your child on a GDA already? Or do you just support it?

Anonymous said...

The sample of 3 games for MF 2002 may be accurate - they lost to a couple of teams that played 10 games that were ranked at ~35. Since the scores didnt change from game to game - that ranking will stick for the few months before they even hold tryouts.

The ranking of same age group teams in Cali South shows MF 2002 would not even make the top 20. That will also show you the difference between the DA and ECNL in the future.

Anonymous said...

1014. Thats just silly. You have no understanding of how the math works. Yes 30% of the first ten games is registered but 70% is not and as you get to games 11-12-13 thise first three games lose weighting as the most recent ten games are more heavily weighted. But to simplify if they averaged 35 for first 3 games and 37 for next 7 they would have a 36.4 score.

But in all honesty this system was truly powerful with 30-40 games to compute a score.

The other flaw is the big scores. If you beat a mediocre team 34~10-0 it gives you a 44 score for that game. So the sensitivity by using a sample of only 10 games will create issues. Over 40 games those should be smoothed out.

And if you are using these to gauge tryouts you really dont get it.

Ysr is great to gauge the strength of team you are playing. Good for tournament organizers. But to choise your club based on that. Again silly.

Anonymous said...

10:14 That's a lame analysis for as MF 2002 lost players and are still rebuilding it will take time for the newer players to build chemistry. 10 games is still not enough to gauge rankings as well in my opinion a full season is more adequate. We will all see where everyone stands come summer. They may not be as strong a GDA squad next year but will still compete in the ECNL and will still move girls along to college.

Also you can't even compare DA to ECNL look at the boys side. DA clubs like Red Bulls are not even visibly ranked on GS or YSR. They are in there own world that cannot compare to any outside team. Same will occur on the girls DA side we will not be able to compare any of the GDA squads to outside teams.

Signed: GDA-Mom!

Anonymous said...

Play 3 games, excellent plan to build chemistry with the new players.

Anonymous said...

3 games?? Teams are lucky if they can gel within 10 games. Has anyone noticed that the better the players the harder it is to gel? Elite players who come together on average come from teams where they were the star. Stars don't share very well. This is where the coach comes in, knocks all the diva garbage away and rebuilds.

Anonymous said...

@5:18. pda south, Ajax is not ecnl. The only two ecnl teams in NJ is PDA Storm and MF - right? That is up in north jersey. I am not sure what you mean? To play ecnl in NJ you have to go to one of those? Unless sure, you want to go to PA or Long Island.

Anonymous said...

10:26

MF may be able to compete in ECNL if other ECNL teams take away 1/2 their squads and more them to DA teams? Analysis is not lame, its just weird how MF cant retain talent any more, and are struggling against EDP teams.

10:19 Big scores are not an issue - its variance and consistency in team play. if a team is constantly beating other teams by a high margin - they will continue to do so and their rankings will adjust based on level of competition. if a team narrowly loses consistently to similarly ranked teams - their will continue to drop. and you are correct - latest results - bigger weight.

Anonymous said...

7:08 I agree and they the rankings are dynamic also - As the teams you played play more games and become stronger or not their scores will also adjust the score of the teams they played previously. So if MF score increases that will also increase the score of the teams they played or decrease some scores.

Anonymous said...

Enough with MF bashing can we just move on from them.

Anonymous said...

Initial EDP flights are out -- let the bashing begin.

https://www.gotsport.com/asp/directors/tournament/vieweventteamscleanb.asp?eventid=57134

Anonymous said...

I'll be the first to bash what's the point of creating 4 brackets of division 1 play among 4 states (NY,NJ,PA,MD). At this age worrying about placing teams that play a short distance from each should not matter. No way 31 teams in Division 1 brackets should be there it's a injustice for the league. Many games will be a waste of parents weekend, didn't U.S. advocate more training with more meaningful games.

Anonymous said...

I agree 12:29 - EDP should have a top of the Pyramid.

D1 NPL (NPL Schedule)
D1 Non-NPL (10 teams 9 games)
Championship top 2 form NPL and Non-NPL

D2 10 Teams (top 4 teams replace bottom 4 from D1 Non-NPL)

D3 and lower Regional Divisions - the 4 regional winners replace D2 bottom 4
more pro/rel with lower flights.

Anonymous said...

Wow dude you’re organized, can you come a fix-up my closet?

Anonymous said...

I know people on here were talking about the Penn State Clinic a few weeks ago is anyone going to Rutgers's Clinics?

Anonymous said...

All college clinics are parent-scams, its just extra revenue for the coach and his staff.

Anonymous said...

You feel there is never a benefit to college ID clinics? I would assume any standouts are noted by the coaches.

Anonymous said...

I love how the DA is talking about this great new platform that will change the way coaches and clubs have to think, and it's not about winning. When will it be important to win?

Anonymous said...

For the players it still will be

Anonymous said...

If a club now has GDA and the coaches are all the same, what has really changed? USSF is only an influence
Club coaches were good or bad or in between already

Anonymous said...

Just my .02 (from a U17 Parent) on College ID clinics/Camps

In my opinion they do work. My daughter attended a few camps/clinics between her freshman and sophomore year. Based on the club team we also received our share of TDS/East Coast Elite, and College specific invites. My caution is you do need to weed through the marketing emails to get to the real invites. and you also need to be able to discern a true follow-up from the coach and a mass follow-up. My daughter emailed coaches prior to showcase events and ID camp invites from those schools when received were responded to by her. Of the camps/clinics she has attended she has received emails (both direct from coaches and "marketing") as well as phone calls. Based on NCAA rules there is a fine line regarding communication but I can tell you at this point in her Junior year if not for the clinics she would most likely be a bit behind in her recruiting cycle and decision making process. Granted she is not looking at Duke and USC but her target schools' coaches are engaged and communicating with her. Without attending their clinics I do not believe that would be the case.


Anonymous said...

Agree with 9:35, I'm a parent of both 2002 and 1999
Repetition is also key when the communication has been established
In one instance, she filled out a college application y coach's request(as a beginning sophomore), which opened the door for some additional communication that couldn't have occurred without this...so we're told at least.
Oh and believe me...NCAA rules are "fluid" for some schools :)

Anonymous said...

RE: clinics at $150 and up fore 2 hours!!!! ie Rutgers
Unless your daughter is a prodigy, this is just a money grab for the soccer coach!!!

Anonymous said...

935 thanks for the insight can you keep us updated on your U17. Also did she play ECNL/Non-ECNL?

Anonymous said...

I agree. We are currently weeding through ID clinic's and Rutgers is 2 hours @ $150. That is insane! She will not be attending that one needless to say.

Anonymous said...

This is wise if you are not specifically targeting Rutgers as her destination

Anonymous said...

9:35 here,

She was ECNL and non-ECNL, if you want to talk money grab... To put in perspective U16 ECNL will prepare your daughter for the college experience with the travel and in-team competitiveness. The training for our club is a bit limited I think do to the age and the recruiting this year, training has become more of an opportunity for coaches to game plan. It also works as "King of the Hill" to identify starters and subs, very little training as I believe the coaches feel individual skills are set. There is also a slight undercurrent of team unity and individualism. The girls want to win games, but the core players will not "help" the others along. It is an interesting dichotomy.

10:12
Either your child attended a clinic and you did not see the value (read - no coaches contact post clinic) or you were looking for something else. The Rutgers clinic is a multi opportunity experience, one that offers your daughter the chance to train with a college staff, with girls who believe they can compete at a college level, and to be seen in a controlled setting. Depending on her age she may be in too early, or depending on her skill be in over her head. These are all good things to find out. If she was too young or over her head you can now either find her range or readjust expectations. There are some schools that will not even look at a player who has not come through the clinic (plus it opens up communications that NCAA rules may prevent otherwise). To say there is no value is a misrepresentation of the process.

Anonymous said...

PDA/Sky Blue GDA Tryouts Announced

Date & time
Friday Feb 10th 8-9.30pm (1999/00)
Friday Feb 17th 8-9.30pm (2001/02)
Friday Mar 3rd 6.30-9.30pm (call back)
Feb 10th & 17th sessions will be indoors

Anonymous said...

Has there been any commitment on how GDA will be funded?

Anonymous said...

1221 did you not read each DA conference has been awarded a certain amount of Scholar $ to use by teams how those GDA teams choose to handle it we will see. I doubt they will spread it equally, more like specific players will get full or partial club tuition paid the rest will pay. There will most likely younger team contribute as well into GDA teams.

So NO it will not be free like many have thought. So with 24+ on a roster who will want that if your player rank is 12th-24th.

Anonymous said...

The GDA is mandating like everything else certain things. All clubs have to maintain scholarships, but are need based. In other words, nothing to do with skill or ability, all about family finances. Makes no sense if you are truly looking to find and development

Some clubs like LA will be fully funded across the board. Don't count on PDA doing this, they are more about money than development.

Anonymous said...

1:28 - so are you saying you would turn down an outstanding training opportunity even if your kid was the last one invited? You know Tom Brady was not a top pick either? Sometimes it's that edgy kid that is tired of being overlooked that brings it.

Anonymous said...

553 definitely if my child is last on that ladder I will stay ECNL and let her enjoy HS soccer. Sorry but there is not enough clubs in GDA yet and travel expenses will be outrageous. It would be like the beginning stages of ECNL.

Plus if you look at it our 02's in 8th grade they will be competing with 01&02's that will be entering Jr/Soph year of HS. Go play with some of top 01's in your club I bet you'll get a reality check.

Anonymous said...

If a GDA is associated with a pro team, then there's more money and more "free" chances. Otherwise it's on the club to to the right thing financially.
Again the USA is backwards with soccer...most other countries, the better player you are, the less you pay.

Anonymous said...

735 That's a laugh "If GDA is associated with a pro team then there's more money and "free" chances" Sky Blue has the lowest attendance of any sports team they are in the negative every year on financials. I doubt they are funding any GDA players.

Anonymous said...

So typical....find one example to negate the whole argument...
How many pro teams are there? Just Sky Blue?

Anonymous said...

Typical please! It's not one example 7 out of 10 NWSL teams average 5k or less in attendance with Sky Blue having the lowest they are not going to fund GDA teams. With NWSL only having 9/10 matches a year they do not make enough to cover salaries of players, coaches, and personal along with all the other cost of marketing, fields and training. No big company is knocking on the door to sponsor NWSL teams due to low marketing value in return because of attendance. The PDA/Sky Blue merger for DA was a way to field quality teams at both DA and ECNL. Thus the reason why Matchfit backed out as by no means they are ready to field teams in both leagues and stay competitive. World Class, Cedar Stars, EM etc. will be the same great DA teams but lack of talent if they keep ECNL.

NWSL attendance recap: http://soccerstadiumdigest.com/2016-nwsl-attendance/

Anonymous said...

A club is therefore seeing something valuable in GDA and will continue to operate
If someone is only looking to GDA for freebies, they're missing the point

Anonymous said...

so you could be the best soccer player in the state, but if your parents have a decent job, please pay up and you can join our development platform. We promise it will be the best. And then we will mandate what you can and can not do. Makes sense.

Anonymous said...

:)
Or just stick to ECNL 1:21, you're good. So your daughter's club is currently free? haha
Don't feel so threatened
No one will force your daughter into this, options options

Anonymous said...

7:56 - our club does play the older teams in it for scrimmages and practices. You don't get better unless you play the better players. And, in HS, a senior doesn't care if a kid is another senior or a freshman when playing them as an opponent. They play to win. That is the same mentality in college too. If you are on the field, you gotta have game.

Anonymous said...

Is there a consensus that PDA/Cedar Stars/World Class concentrate their top talent in the DA team and not in ECNL? If so will the competition in ECNL nosedive - and people end up traveling to play 2nd tier teams?

Are there any alternatives - National League?

Anonymous said...

Ecnl will be very even with npl. I think those leagues needs to merge or ecnl needs to open up to a bunch of new clubs. They should give ecnl to clubs in the north like a CRUSh or Stallions and a SJEB/RUSH in the south.

Anonymous said...

Not so sure that will happen, most clubs are not thrilled about depleting their ECNL teams. This program will take 2-4 years to become standard, by then tbe 02's will be in college, and all this angst becomes another parents problem.

Anonymous said...

Haha thats funny. Tsf crush sdfc stallions all gonna be gone soon. So many defections. Princeton took crush best player.

Anonymous said...

Are you talking about the Crush player that jumped from a 2002 team to a #1 2000 team. That is just jumping into straight college showcase. Unique coach that is giving 120% to that age group. Players from all teams jumped there.

Anonymous said...

Yup. Just like Stallions had Dynamite, Princeton (or IGFA) has that one special team. The rest are meh. I guess Wildcats are great at 2002 (so is SJEB in the south). Unfortunately its not just coach - you also need to grow the team for a couple of years, and manage to attract new talent each year to deal with burnouts.

Anonymous said...

I dont think that team is like Dynamite. Im not sure we ever see another dynamite. Also think 2001-2002 is the meat of the recruiting pyramid not a 2000 team. Better to play for pda ecnl if you can. Or even mf and wc.

Anonymous said...

Rumors are that ECNL is mandating full participation; if you are DA, you cannot keep ECNL. I believe this is waived for the founding clubs (PDA will get by by using the sky blue GDA tag), but the other clubs have to choose one or the other.

Anonymous said...

stop spreading bullshit.

Anonymous said...

I heard the same thing 8:39.

Anonymous said...

Awesome youth organizations battle for power kids lose.

Anonymous said...

8:39, I heard that it was the DA mandating that clubs(with a dozen or so exemptions) could not participate in ECNL and DA. Same end result - a power struggle, but one initiated by the DA, not the ECNL. Doesn't effect PDA they are an exception and doesn't affect Cedar Stars bc they aren't in the ECNL. Does impact Penn Fusion though. They have a decision to make.

Anonymous said...

Yes they can only keep both if 3 of their 4 ECNL teams made the Champions league. Indeed Penn Fusion will have to choose. My guess is that the only PA GDA is in Lancaster.

Anonymous said...

Regarding ID camps, clinics, Rutgers Penn State.

1- Be sure you understand, at schools of this "soccer" quality, like top 20-50 D1, understand your kid better already be great, be on npl, ecnl or something. Don't think it's not too late. By 02 you have to be on a good team, just have to at 02 now with recruiting. If still on town team, or something, get as quickly as you can on npl or ecnl or Academy etc. Realize when they put you in 3rd - 12th brackets that you are not on a good team. And be sure you are at Jeff Cup, Disney, CASL, Eclipse, Bethesda, at the least.
2- 90% of the battle is you as a parent understanding the above thoroughly, and also that your kid Wants to go to this type of soccer school. Even if a prodigy at Rutgers you may sit. But at Princeton you may play.
3 - These are two-three things I see that are very important. Kid has to think they can do it, parent understand above and you may sit even if one of the best in country at a top 20-50 D1 school.
My daughter "thinks" she can do Rutgers, and does not care if she sits. I am explaining try another D1 school so you can play more, better chance to make etc. But she insists on going with the best........so again that is 90% of the battle.

Anonymous said...

I am hearing the same. I think we will see PF back out much like Match Fit did leaving PA Classics as the only GDA in PA.

Anonymous said...

Incorrect clubs will keep DA and ECNL. As ECNL will still be a strong stable on the even years on the 1st go around od GDA. Remember DA is Bi-annual from U15+ so next year's squad will of U17(01/02's) and mostly 01's will take majority of the roster that will leave a large number of talented 02's to find somewhere to play as there is no "B" team in GDA. Only the national level players at 02 will be moved up to U17(01/02) next year.

So the Even(02,00's) year's for ECNL next year will be very competitive as many of the players that did not make the U17's GDA team will flock to an ECNL team with the club or outside the club.

Anonymous said...

1236 makes a good point! With less GDA teams leaves and ECNL at yearly age groups it opens up more talent pushed out or missed to fulfill ECNL teams.

Anonymous said...

We believe that we will have to do the GDA for one year for college coaches credibility. As soon as my daughter gets a commitment, we will leave GDA and move back to ECNL/NPL depending on team, coach and location. This way we can enjoy more family time and HS soccer for last two years. It is also is hard on my other two children who don't play high level sports. We have spoke to coaches at PDA and they agree and believe a lot of families will do this as well and that many of the best girls are still undecided because of the family commitments the GDA requires.. Only reason we would leave ecnl is because of distance, over an hour away and may not be necessary if we can find solid training alternative. I think most clubs really just care about overall number of kids playing. $$$$ regardless.

Anonymous said...

12:36
Your premise is correct
But GDA teams are labeled U16/17(02, 01) and U18/19(00,99) at that age, not just U17 and U19.
I could see some 02s making a mark. The upside is that the 02s that make it have 2 years with that team.

Anonymous said...

We are sticking with ecnl next year and will make decision following year da. I have the confidence in daughters skill that she can always move. Spoke with our DOC and he fine with decision. We also spoke with older daughters D1 coach who says the jury is still,out and will be for some time. Although I will admit, we are going to tryouts. I think they want to see more kids opt out, just my opinion.

Anonymous said...

We're staying put and shooting for the B team.
I hate to see my little girl not win when she tries out for something.
The participation ribbons will be flying that day!

Anonymous said...

Can someone please explain to me what will happen to the 02's and 00's that do not make the GDA team's within those clubs as there is not single age group for those years next year for GDA.

Anonymous said...

Guessing if you don't make GDA you can play next team. Whatever the club may call it...B, Elite, etc...
Or go back where you already play if you didn't miss tryouts?

Anonymous said...

2pm - my kid can make any DA in the country and start and be top 5. Still not going and she will get committed next year and could have already if I had your ego.

Anonymous said...

3:17 - 2pm is a troll, obviously. Don't feed it.

Anonymous said...

Yesterday we were debating if NWSL would be funding some GDA teams they are associated with and many doubt it because of attendance. Well I'm little disappointed after reading this article as well knowing there is pretty much no women except for 1. NWSL can't even fork over the funds to get potential player/coach's trained and certified.

http://www.excellesports.com/news/nwsl-diversity-women-coaches/?utm_source=ExcelleSports+Main+List&utm_campaign=91ad6cd14b-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2016_11_22&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_ece29a6034-91ad6cd14b-183811981

Anonymous said...

The clubs are providing the full scholarships, not the USSF or GDA. So if a GDA Team roster is 30 and they are providing only 10 scholarships the other 20 are paying the bill for the 10 that have a legit shot. Let's be real for a second if your kid is paying they are not at the top of the class and have no shot at USNT camp invite. I'm not going to argue college because to each their own.

5:39 - Some NWSL clubs will generate more money from their GDA teams. SkyBlue/PDA will probably generate more from youth soccer than they will from attendance and that is sad.

Anonymous said...

The clubs have to provide a minimum number of scholarships, again mandated from GDA. They are all need based and have zero to do with ability. Go do the research, it is very clearly stated.

Anonymous said...

907 I call BS there are players playing for free now because clubs are afraid of losing them to competing clubs. Trust me.

Anonymous said...

Why should anyone trust you? We don't know who you are and if you have any credibility. It's laughable that someone on an anonymous board would say trust me.

Anonymous said...

I agree, trust is for lovers and losers, it might Donald J. for all we know, I heard that Barron wants to play for the NYCFC Academy team, he will make it happen.

Anonymous said...

9:38 I trust you and I know your right. That's life man.

10:22 why do you post as anonymous?

11:41 I know why you do - because if you signed it - you wouldn't haven made your post.

9:07 I see 1,544 players receive a full scholarship. How would a club define need based? So you think they are going to ask for tax returns from the previous year for all players to determine who the need based players are? Oh only if a player submits an application for a scholarship - i can see many doing that unless of course the club makes public their family income threshold so all players thinking of trying out know they can play for free if accepted.

Anonymous said...

12:41 - Yes, if a player wants financial aid, the parent(s) or legal guardian(s) will likely need to file an application that includes the prior year tax return(s). An example of the type of financial aid application form that might be used can be found on the EPYSA ODP website at:

https://usys-assets.ae-admin.com/assets/947/15/2016-17%20ODP%20Financial%20Aid%20Application.pdf

Anonymous said...

Do you really believe wc and cedar stars will have a decent platform for girls next year? Hard for me to believe tgat. But do think pda can pull it off.

Anonymous said...

This is what I foresee happening the players that did not get picked up at PDA's GDA will flock to the other GDA's like WC or CS to make those roster's.

Anonymous said...

12:56 I will play along - you are the club since you know the process.

I am the parent of a player that is good enough to start on your team, we haven't been at try outs because we know we can't afford your tuition. Where is it made public the family income threshold for a scholarship? Does the club want parents not on their teams to submit their tax return prior to try out? I would think yes, Why waste anyone time right? I have yet to see this on any website you know black and white family income thresholds to be eligible for a scholarship. But they don't do this to avoid applicants, they let everyone come up with their own threshold in their own mind.

Anonymous said...

1:18 and 1:25.

I think all the GDA teams will be good, remember FIFA rules only 14 of the 18 that dress play in the game and the 3 subs might only play a few minutes. If each GDA is giving out 10 scholarships those kids will play the bulk of the games and any player that is quality will have their parents looking to save a buck at any DA hey man that's a minimum of 8k in your wallet over 4 years to pay for that travel.

The kids with the dreams will pay the full price and will train 4 times per week and play very little. Do you you think the college coaches that come to practice is coming to look at them?
Maybe?

I'm not knocking the GDA - I love the top of the pyramid league model. I wish all the kids that play lots of luck.

Anonymous said...

1:26 - Fair and open tryouts (assuming there is such a thing) would not consider ability to pay. This would be publish along with a statement that selected players could be eligible for financial aid. Application would be made after selection. No guarantee of award. If not granted aid, family would need to decide to stay or go. Alternatively, or in conjunction with such a process, a club could proactively seek talent from underserved areas. A bigger issue is that a family in need of financial aid may be lacking in other resource areas such as time (e.g. single parent with multiple kids) or transportation (got to get to practice somehow). Look at Pennsylvania. If it comes to pass as some have speculated on Youth Soccer Talk, and PAC ends up as the only GDA in PAE, there becomes a significant geographic limitation because there is not a large population density inside of 30 minutes of the PAC training facilities. You need to extend out to at least an hour drive time to obtain a player pool from which to truly draw a representative sample of the "best of the best". Many families in need of financial aid do not have the time and transportation resources for the necessary commute to a development academy.

Anonymous said...

I think you think you know much more than you do.

Anonymous said...

3:36 - 1:35 here I know nothing.

Just going off of what is made public.

Anonymous said...

1/26 @10:32 - What are you saying about PF? The 99/00's ECNL last year finished as semi-finalists in the North American Cup and the other two teams were in the Champions League. This year they seem strong in all teams. Plus they will get kids from very good nearby clubs for ECNL. I know kids that are waiting to hear about their id sessions.

Anonymous said...

Will be interesting to see what happens if they merge with cfc

Anonymous said...

It would be a good merger. Both clubs have great coaches, players and facilities. Makes sense as CFC has boys' DA and PF has girls. Plus PF has boys' ECNL. And, leagues in PF for post high school for both women and men. Both have very good feeder programs for younger players as well. So, agree with you. Will be interesting.

Anonymous said...

7:38 Spirit United was with PF then they kicked them to the curb for Delco and formed CFC now you think the two will merge?

Anonymous said...

Different times, different managers. Yes, I do.

verifiedsoccer said...

Yoy U15 girls youth soccer we just love to see it. soccer tips girls played more cool than boys in soccer games. You can study the research and get out the result.

Anonymous said...

Do you know what would be a good merger, Pennsylvania and Nova Scotia, please go, go now.

Anonymous said...

Seems like somebody ^ is worried their little Mia won't make a team.

Anonymous said...

Agreed. One response is a troll, it seems and the other just as you said, a person trying to scare away competition.

Anonymous said...

Thx for the info
we'll skip tryouts there :)

Anonymous said...

From the U17 blog: "11 kids at Spirit DA combined MD and VA. Budget estimated $7000." That's for two DA teams.
Very Interesting that they are not getting many GDA come out for ID Combines at those ages may not be worth it to Jr. & Sr. if they are committed or close to committing to a school already.

Wonder how many girls will showed up for the PDA's and PA classic's DA Clinics.

Anonymous said...

No reason to go to da at older age group. Will not be work until the younger teams move up in a few years.

Anonymous said...

Some have stated otherwise. There's not one right answer. Individual decision has to be made.

Anonymous said...

Hearing the same thing benefits for going GDA mostly for girls headed to 8th grade and below this fall. Can anyone explain to me the Boys DA age groupings as it looks as they consider a player born 2002 U14 this season? how girls DA wont follow the same age groupings?

Anonymous said...

They say they want the same thing, but keep changes the rules. Makes no sense if they are replicating the boys side. I belive they are more concerned with the overall numbers, not getting the top players. This will take years to work out and chances are they will mess it up. At least they are allowing HS, but I'm sure it will only be for the very top girls who they can't afford not to have join.

Anonymous said...

Good idea to look at 2017-2018 season for boys and girls. They will be similar
Who said they'll allow HS play?
Please show official link. Thanks

Anonymous said...

http://www.soccerwire.com/news/clubs/youth-girls/about-face-heinrichs-says-girls-development-academy-will-allow-high-school-play/

Anonymous said...

NJ CRUSH will have a tough time after losing top players. I think the bloggers went with them.

Anonymous said...

12:52 You may have only read part of the story

Read the entire story again....

Anonymous said...

What did I miss, she said you can play?

Anonymous said...

“They just can’t do both at the same time.”

"Heinrichs suggested that players could step away from their GDA clubs to participate in their high-school seasons and then return, apparently without penalty."

“We’re saying girls have to make choices. There’s the Girls Development Academy. There’s high school soccer, ECNL, other leagues – girls cannot do it all.”

Doesn't sound like a certain, official DA comment to me.
"apparently without penalty"

Again, up to each girl to choose....not for everyone
Many posters are acting like they're beiing forced into something. If your daughter is getting what she needs, then keep going!!!

Anonymous said...

Okay, so they can play. And yes, they have a choice to make. I sent this and you asked me to read again?

Anonymous said...

Either you or your child wants to try out for the GDA or they don't. End of story. It's not for everyone. No need to bash it.

Anonymous said...

Just like FB....
read to reply not to understand....

Anonymous said...

Not too many DA coaches are going to be happy to have their players playing HS. You're either in or not. If your kid makes a DA roster but decides to sit out to play HS during the Fall, do you really think coaches are going to put them in that starting lineup when they return? No. They'll be sitting. Why make the commitment to play DA if youre going to miss an entire season of that great exposure? Exposure they won't be getting playing at their HS soccer field for sure.

Anonymous said...

My feeling is PDA "tryouts" might produce 1-2 players or are an insurance policy in case DA turnout is really small to save face.

I would think it will be more on an invitation basis and the pool of kids they want is already on pda or also mostly known such as wc players.

I would think that cedar stars and world class will have to take kids that dont beling just to fill rosters or will pick up kids after hs season.

If PDA does not know who your kid is or you dont play their ecnl team this season for a direct look, good luck.

But do try for wc/cedar stars. There will be a lot of spots.

Anonymous said...

Not worried about the DA sitting my kid if she plays HS. If she does, this will go to show they are not looking for the best, just people like you. My kid should never sit and if she does, I would not have her play at that level, with that commitment and cost to my family. I have that choice as you would say, over and over and over. But HS is allowed and kids now have a that choice.

Anonymous said...

Agreed. And that doesn't mean that since USSF allows it that the various clubs will as well. It all depends on that specific Clubs' training schedule. A lot of this is to avoid overuse injuries. That is in the best interest of the players. And, we the parents need to look at that as well.

I'm getting tired of Henny Penny telling me the sky is falling; GDA will be horrible, ECNL will be horrible, etc.. All of this is up in the air, but as MANY have noted, it comes down to choices. We need to make sure we make decisions that best work for OUR specific children, whatever it is.

Anonymous said...

I would hate to be your child.

Anonymous said...

GDA and ECNL will self cannibalize, no need for Henny Penny to tell you that. GDA - because it will end up being too rigid. ECNL - because it will lose all top talent to GDA. All that will be left are the SJEB/RUSH and Wildcats.

Anonymous said...

Two teams that win games with good athletes and marginally skillful soccer players

Anonymous said...

What does DA mean to your kid?

A chance at Olympics/World Cup/CONCACAF?

If you said yes then Academy is the place to be for your kid. They will get into a top college if they can juggle the commitment? DA training 4 times a week 10 months a season 20 to 30 games a season plus DA tournaments and if they are picked get to go to CA a few times a year to train for a spot for a CONCACAF/World Cup roster spot. So we have International travel plus CA a few times a year in addition - where does school fit in exactly? So if your kid has the goods sit down and make sure you can swing what is being asked and what you will have to sacrifice.

Don't worry about college, if you are talking high level soccer then your kid will play for a school and get some money the question is do you want Olympics or High School Soccer. Becasue if it's Olympics there is no romm for HS soccer.

Anonymous said...

Your odds are so low for the highest level. Maybe 3 girls in state over 6 age years. The GDA wants you 4 days a week, what club has those facilities? Pda has the most and can't even do two times a week now and they are adding more kids and programs. They will not drop tne others, they pay too. How does tne GDA fix this, please do tell. They aren't giving money to help facility cost and we don't live in southern cal.

Anonymous said...

All you need is an athlete. Hint - Mallory Pugh. And she played high school soccer and club twice a week six months a year....

Anonymous said...

5:52 - well, that's cruel. I think the poster was saying that is what all the doubter/Henny Penny's on the post board are saying. They are proclaiming without any evidence that this will be bad, that will be bad, nothing will work.

These doomsday soccer preppers perceive the GDA to be a bad thing. Previously, the ECNL was perceived as a bad thing. Looks like anything new is deemed prior to its start to be bad by some. I say, let's wait and see. ECNL turned out to be pretty good. GDA will be as well.

Anonymous said...

.8:51 - fun fact. Pugh only played hs 3 yrs. She didn't play senior year. Also, in her soph yr., she only played a partial year. ".....and in sophomore year, despite missing more than half of her high school games due to national team commitments, she helped the team to the state semifinals. "

So, she really didn't play a lot of high school during most of her high school eligibility.

And, the GDA wants practices 4 days a week not 2 days as you note re Pugh. So, depending on the club and the GDA commitment required, this may be impossible to do without the kids getting injured.

Just saying

Anonymous said...

Saw that Pugh info, too.
"Pugh attended Mountain Vista High School in Highlands Ranch from 2012 to 2016. In her three seasons with her high school team..."

Nonetheless, clearly a phenom when she played. But, she didn't play a lot as well. Not sure she is a good example for those who want high school and GDA.

Anonymous said...

But everyone thinks their kid is a Mallory. Ha! If your kid couldn't make or last long in a TC then good luck in the DA. If they don't like to work and/or they can't play technical soccer then steer them toward HS. Where a high work rate is not important and she can boot the ball and receive a pat on the back from the coach for it. Look, who cares what anyone else's opinion is including mine. Soon DA will be the best option for those girls who have the talent and want to play D1 in college. Certainly not for all and doesn't need to be.

Anonymous said...

So many uncertainties with either path...choose one that's best for your daughter.
Why bash one over the other? Sad statement on our society....

Anonymous said...

Please there are bigger issues in our society than youth soccer. This is just a soccer blog. Relax.

Anonymous said...

Go Patriots!

Anonymous said...

Trying to do the math here. So rounded and after possible speculation of who stays and who goes there are about 50 clubs in the GDA (nationwide). 20 players per team per age equals 1000 girls at each age group, roster for NT may be 25. So figure out where your daughter stands on the pyramid and if her chances are good to get an NT spot oh, and keep it from U15 through U23. Also take into consideration that the U means a U15 player can be selected to play U17. Conversely, looking from the ECNL side if you are not on the GDA team what are your chances as you age up? And a 1000 girls at U18 in GDA fills the pool for most open roster spots on top colleges at each year.

Reference for club #’s http://www.ussoccerda.com/girls-academy

Anonymous said...

I believe there are 20 or so spots per dual age group so i would think 500-600 kids per age group.

I also think that not all top ecnl players want to go DA.

I think colleges will continue to monitor both DA and ecnl heavily for our age group and above.

Even with 500 - 600 you are still less than 5% to be on the nat team and that is if they take zero kids from outside DA which seems unlikely.

Anonymous said...

Sorry this age group has NT players selected for U16 NT. So the chances of getting placed on this group are less than 1% and you must be above and beyond the current pool. The selected U16 will stay on until U18 and maybe a few slight changes through the years. Sorry but everyone dreams are now gone worry about college.

http://www.ussoccer.com/us-under16-girls-national-team/roster#tab-1

Anonymous said...

Yup
Just skip the development and exposure at that level, not worth it! :)

Anonymous said...

No I'm not saying to skip I for one love the benefits of the exposure especially for college. I just want point out the NT is pretty much out of reach as many are talking about it on the blog. NWSL is still not out of reach for many and the potential is still there if your on GDA.

Also development at this age has already peak or about too GDA will be identified talent already developed. They are not bringing someone on because they are athletics and hoping to develop.

Anonymous said...

Do we really think training intenesly 4x a week and playing games on weekends is the best for development. No mention of overtraining? I would like to see a sample weekly schedule before I would want my daughter to commit to jumping on the burnout train.

I actually feel strongly that extra coached training is exactly what we dont need. These kids if they are to really become next level players need to experience a lot more free play. This is a big missing link in US soccer.

Also how do you know the coaches are qualified to train all the different disciplines that would be worthy of 4 days a week.

I can replicate a better program that will teach tactical soccer 2x a week and techinical 1x and free ply 1x and I whole heartedlly believe itcwill make my daughter better than Any DA can teach.

Soccer in this country sucks because we are so structured and scripted. We need to free these kids up to create a more imaginative game.

Anonymous said...

10:33
Curious...does your daughter play HS?
If so, you're not worried about burnout and injury? Have you seen their schedule?
I know our local DA has tactical, technical and also has video analysis included. It's not all balls out to the wall

Anonymous said...

1033 Agree/Disagree coaches at ECNL/GDA are required to have a certain level of training hours and certification to coach/train at those levels. Also wouldn't you consider HS free play and social aspect but I bet HS coaches do not even hold a license to train/coach at all thus the reason why U.S. is implemented no HS for boys.

I do agree 4x a week is a lot and down time for studies is important and burnout does and will happen to players by the time they hit the college scene.

I wish U.S. would of put more emphasis in working with ECNL and rebuilding and reshaping the ODP programs keeping things state/regional/nationally through the years until college. It's been so downgraded due to Training Centers, ECNL, PDP etc. It was a incredible side program that develop women's teams throughout the years.

Anonymous said...

10:42 no high school yet. Obviously a serious concern and will have to have the right set up/situation with rest days if they want her. Otherwise she will try tennis.

I think the question of the DA doing tactical/technical my point is there arent that many great technical trainers to have to go through the DA club may actually limit the growth vs having an outside technical trainer that is really talented.

10:49 I would say highschool is further away from free play than club. The ideal is you put a group of really good players on the field and let them play like in south america where pick up is much easier. High school coaches want you running plays and soccer skill is exceptionally low.

Kids need to play with good smart players to continue development which is what DA/ECNL come close to doing.

Anonymous said...

1122 Have you been to a third world country and watch free if not do not bring up free play if you have not seen it with your own eyes. Free play in those counties are just that free play with everyone at different levels and ages. Just like Basketball is in the streets of NY City or any other major city everywhere else players are not on the same level but just go out and have fun. That's my definition of FREE PLAY not what you stated "bunch of smart players together playing" which is done during the last 15-20 minutes of practice now.

Bottom line GDA is for those wanting to compete in a professional environment in hopes of playing Top level D1 program, NWSL, or Over Seas as many women are looking to play now. National Team is the small percentage.

Anonymous said...

Or for those girls who just want a top level development, competition and exposure.
Maybe ECNL hasn't been an option and this is a possibility?

Anonymous said...

10:33 - where did you see that they will be training 4x's a week and playing games on weekends? There will be less games so my understanding that when there are games, they won't have 4x's weekly training (since some of the 4x's week training is on the weekends). How many days do you train, currently? And, some of the training will be in the fitness, film, etc. So, not necessarily on the field 4x's a week, either. USSF isn't looking to burn out the kids.

Anonymous said...

@10:49 - saw your comment about ODP. It is still a very relevant program; in particular in areas that didn't have ECNL access. Many coaches from top programs still go to ODP events - and the head coaches at that. They and many on their staff are very much involved. It is still some of the best soccer development out there, in my opinion.

Anonymous said...

GDA is the competitive model to ECNL, Ford has a Mustang Chevy gets a Camaro. If US soccer wanted to put together a program to build a US national powerhouse competing against current leagues is not the answer. First lets address High School for what it is, ego currency. Look at the articles, awards and accolades coming out of PAPREP and the names are mostly ECNL players, this is press they are not getting through Club and actually adds the little bit of cache to the resume (look at the college roster pages, yes they mention club but a lot of the bio is High School related). Now let’s take ECNL, the clubs I am familiar with directly are FC Bucks, CFC, and PF. Depending on where you land age wise you may get a good coach for your team, ancillary trainers are probably a wash across all 3 and development is less and less as you age up. I believe PF has more NT pool players then Bucks or CFC, looking at commits it is pretty level across the board for local D1 with some girls going to the next tier (Penn State, Maryland VT, etc.). I also do not think I have ever seen a high goalie commit coming out of any club, so maybe that tells you something about how they are training at that position. Practice/training/Indoor/Futsal vary by club but in season you can expect 2-3 practices a week. Our experience was good at one club for a year, then they made changes and training dropped off. We had a January-February training cycle that combined indoor with chalk talk, in season we did recovery 1st training day post games, Fitness Training, and game planning, this went away the next year with what were supposed to be standard practices but ended up being “recovery” one day and scrimmages the next. My best hope, and my daughter will not be playing at this level any more, (on to college) is that the DA will follow that model. Develop and train players, give them opportunities to free-play, protect them through fitness and physiology, and game plan, help them understand their capabilities and limitations, help them understand the game at each level.

Anonymous said...

Alot of good points...I don't understand "free play".

"My best hope, and my daughter will not be playing at this level any more, (on to college)..."

Makes me wonder why you're reading a U15 girls blog.....

Anonymous said...

@1:27

Thought I was on the U17 sorry. Free Play is just that - Free to play (Pick-up games)

Anonymous said...

4x week includes film review and fitness. USSF has been running the DA with boys long enough to know what they are doing. They are going to be building a well rounded player. Mentally, physically, technically, and tactically....

As for a goal of making the NT, that is not the goal for all who make the DA. My daughter wants to play high level soccer with others of the same ability and realizes exposure from the DA will be the best there is. She is hopeful for a scholarship, not to be the next Mallory.

Anonymous said...

11:42 yes i have been to many a country both developing and non developing countries. Have played pick up free play soccer in north south and central america africa and Europe. I have played on beaches, courts, fields, turf, and dirt.

Yes it has level differences in the players but there is an absence of coaching and fear that allows players to try new things. The better the level the more peer pressure there is to play in a certain style. Just like basketball which is one reasonwe are so good in hoops.

If you go to south america and see a group of players playing in general they are very good and of a similar level. That does not exist here. So in lieu of that not existing you need to get a group of peers together to play sans coaches. It kind of happens here in practices but with a coach freedom doesnt exist.

I have seen it in the us with a group of mexican and brazilian migrant workers.

Anonymous said...

Don't worry if your Daughter plays for a PA team she will not be invited:

U.S. U-15 girls national team
GOALKEEPERS (3): Ryan Campbell (So Cal Blues; Dana Point, Calif.), Taylor Fox (Orlando City; Titusville, Fla.), Mia Justus (PDA; North Brunswick, N.J.).
DEFENDERS (8): Devi Dudley (Utah Celtic FC; American Fork, Utah), Samar Guidry (FC Dallas; McKinney, Texas), Sydney Jones (Cincinnati United; Hamilton, Ohio), Lucy Mitchell (Concorde Fire; Alpharetta, Ga.), Makenna Morris (Bethesda SC; Germantown, Md.), Kayla Primm (Ohio Premier; Lewis Center, Ohio), Emily Royson (PDA; Toms River, N.J.), Dasia Torbert (Tophat; Buford, Ga.).
MIDFIELDERS (7): Josie Alicino (Michigan Hawks; Northville, Mich.), Aislynn Crowder (Hawaii Rush; Mililani, Hawaii), Talia DellaPeruta (Tophat; Cumming, Ga.), Alexa Gonzalez (Arsenal FC; Riverside, Calif.), Kayleen Gowers (De Anza Force; Los Altos, Calif.), Isabel Loza (Arsenal FC; La Mirada, Calif.), Michaela Rosenbaum (Santa Rosa United; Santa Rosa, Calif.).
FORWARDS (6): Trinity Byars (Soccer FC; Richardson, Texas), Kailyn Dudukovich (Cincinnati United; West Chester, Ohio), Sam Kroeger (World Class FC; West Milford, N.J.), Kacey Lawrence (Connecticut FC; Monroe, Conn.), Aryssa Mahrt (FC Wisconsin Eclipse; Wauwatosa, Wisc.), Trinity Rodman (So Cal Blues; Newport Beach, Calif.).

Anonymous said...

2:52
The reality is that almost none of the girls who will play in GDA will ever play for the national team... certainly less than 5 out of every 100.

Anonymous said...

1:08 - saw your post. I disagree with alot of it. Not sure you are in the know about any of what you are proclaiming. Not only are your college commits off so are your comments re training and positions re PA ECNL teams. FOr instance, Bucks has a keeper that plays for BC, and a Duke commit (who is now at PDA, but committed to Duke while at Bucks) and many other good commits. PF has a bunch; many UVA, Penn State, VT commits, Duke, UNC, etc. Also, as you noted many NT players. Further, my understanding is that they have a keeper and other field players (some committed and some not) that are very high up on the US Soccer chart being tracked as well. I can't really speak to CFC as I am an NJ person so Bucks and PF (NJ kids play on both) are ones we know outside of PDA, MF and WC.

Anonymous said...

Do agree however with your hope for the GDA. The development of the full player, mind and body is what we are hopeful will occur.

Anonymous said...

1:27 - yeah I saw that. Creepy right??? Sounds like things didn't work out for his/her kid. Maybe looking for a do over :)

Anonymous said...

2:28 spot on
The GDA haters or in reality ones that are threatened by it, want to repeat that no girl has a chance to accomplish anything if not making the NT
Small minds....

Anonymous said...

Good read...
http://www.soccerwire.com/blog-posts/games-thrones-ecnl-vs-girls-development-academy-cold-war-rages/

Anonymous said...

5:33,

If you read the entire post I do give credit to some of the higher commits. and while BC is a great school, it is not considered a soccer powerhouse. The 3 clubs are also a merry go round where girls jump from club to club based on their playing time and coaching changes. PF and CFC may end up splitting ECNL and DA so they will eventually cancel each other out, and FCB has been dwindling for years. As far as a second go round?? And for being creepy, I did indicate I posted incorrectly in this forum, but came back for this post to set the record straigh. I will leave you in your Ivory tower never to darken your door again. By the way, Daughter did well, no regrets, just trying to post an opinion of what I saw over 10 years of soccer. Club loyalty is hard but everyone wants to do right by thier Children.

Anonymous said...

Well, thanks for circling around the 3rd time.

Btw - BC was a top 25 school only last year. The schools keep switching as the soccer is improving all around the NCAA. That is what is great about the soccer development going on; nothing is a gimme anymore. All the schools are in play. So don't underestimate any program which it seems you were trying to do.

So, thanks for your 10 years of experience, but I think we have it from here as all of this changes every year.

Anonymous said...

Like a prior post stated GDA will be the top of the pyramid but it will not make an impact until a few years down the road. To that point many of the parents on this blog have already seen there daughter play HS also been targeting colleges or colleges targeted. GDA will make a bigger impact on the current youth players right now.

Most parents will likely pass on more additional $'s spent and parental time(logistics)on GDA if they are playing ECNL or a top level team that have already given them path to college. Trust me if can afford playing ECNL or top level team traveling up and down the east coast you will not qualify for US GDA scholar funds. But hey if my daughter or your daughter wants to pursue GDA it's up to us as parents to support it even if it is not the ideal situation anymore at that older age.

Anonymous said...

'01/'02s will be very happy with the exposure/offers they get in playing for next year's DA club of choice.

The "not til down the road" talk is rubbish

Anonymous said...

And no - not all ECNL players - or players from outside ECNL vying for DA spots - will be committed by summer. Dont try to sell that.

Anonymous said...

333 Totally agree as for 331 can we start calling you Mr. Rubbish as you know the exposure/offers you kid will get at DA already. That's a laugh!

Anonymous said...

1:01 - I agree with the post at 5:33 and 3:09. No one has a crystal ball. Some kids commit to programs already in top 50 and some want to make them a top 50 and some fall out of it and climb back in with the help of the new recruits. It is what makes this game so much fun and unpredictable anymore.

Also, playing time comes into it as well. Not everyone commiting to power 5 schools will get playing time. Some may not see the field at all or dress for games and/or may wind up transferring.

Be impressed with the clubs developing the girls to get them to that next level. Then, it's up to the girls to get the most out of it. So, I happen to be in one of the clubs you mentioned. And, we are extremely happy with the organization, administration, coaching, developing, assistance of the coaches to make sure the girls get where they want not what looks better for the club (not everyone wants power 5 as other things come into play as well such as playing time, $$, academics, location, overseas opportunities to play after, etc.).

Glad your daughter and you are happy with your experiences. That is what it is all about. Enjoy her final months of club play.

Anonymous said...

Exposure will not be delayed. College coaches will be attending DA games and showcases right away. Why would they not?

Anonymous said...

What amazes me with all the nay sayers is that I haven't seen one parent(most likely dad) mentioning academics first in the decision making.
I, for one (yes I'm dad) will do everything I can to set up my daughter for the best future possible, not NT or bust, not top 50 D1 or bust, not ECNL or bust, not DA or bust....
Yes she wants to shoot for GDA and yes the coaches will be there to watch.

Anonymous said...

Hard to downplay these results...
http://www.soccerwire.com/news/clubs/youth-girls/over-1000-ecnl-class-of-2017-players-commit-to-ncaa-div-i-programs/

Anonymous said...

3:02 PM
Talk to me in a few years, would be interested to see how your little Mia is doing.

http://scholarshipstats.com/soccer.html
Division  Teams Athletes Per Team Schlshp $$ Per
NCAA  I  332 9,169 28 14 $ 16,186
NCAA  II 263 7,130 27 9.9 $ 7,541
NCAA  III 438 10,621 24 -  $ 
NAIA 192 4,587 24 12 $7,248
USCAA 36 645 18 -  $ 1,246
NJCAA 187 3,567 19 18 $ 2,113
CCCAA 114 2,400 21 -  $ 328
Totals /Avg 1,562 38,119 24 53.9  $5,366

Anonymous said...

When you say programs in the top 50 is Johns Hopkins one of them or are you talking D1 soccer top 50 programs?

Honestly I'm with 6:58 - academics first - don't care how the soccer team is, just want her to get a great education.

$240,000 Undergraduate Degree
$160,000 Masters Degree
$400,000 Education at a Top School

No grades = waste of time and money regardless of the level of soccer any kid plays.

Anonymous said...

So you dont take the FREE (all paid) college offer over the "we have to pay 30K a year out of pocket" school that has better academics?

BETTER ACADEMICS can also lead to struggles. This has to be factored in. Our girls are amazing - but there can be situations we send them into that can be overwhelming.

Anonymous said...

I don't think anyone is saying they'll turn down free education. Although that happens very little. By the way, you can get "free" through academics....
I don't get the overwhelming thing....can't protect little Mia forever :)
And 30K? Range of costs for schools my older daughter is considering....45-65K!!!!

Anonymous said...

30K was inclusive of academic cash offered.

It is a hypothetical.

And of course you take the FREE if it is achieved academically - and the school is a perfect fit.

Anonymous said...

Yo do seem to be avoiding the question

a) beautiful campus, has her major, strong enough soccer and committed to her, not a top academic school, will pay everything

b) beautiful campus, has her desired major of an acceptable option, she will play soccer there, TOP academic school, will cost 25K per

Choose a or b

Anonymous said...

Option "a" if she can play 75%+ of games, NCLEX pass rate of 90%+ and statistics for graduates in her major are at 90%+ employed within 6 months of graduation. This through great internships available etc...
If stats aren't good then I'd pay the 25k per year for better stats

Anonymous said...

There is very little soccer money, for D1 programs Women's teams are allocated a certain #of scholarships, those scholarships are shared, very few are full rides. so in order to be recruited a player needs to help a coach by having the test scores and grades to get accepted, if a player chooses a tough major then there is a next level of acceptance into the school. My daughter wants a specific major, so we are only looking at colleges that have that major. Entrance into the specific program is 50 out of 400 applicants per year (on average). Scholarships are merit based only. So adding soccer to the equation hurts the process in some ways and helps in others. Hurts in that the decisions for acceptance (unless going early acition/decision) are after Feb 1. So we sit down with the coach, the coach says I want you on my team, we will talk after you have been accepted, this equals a verbal offer.

Anonymous said...

12:53
Very similar situation with my junior daughter. Her major and D1 won't mix, we entertained for a few months with one school late in her sophomore year.
It will be D3, many merit scholarships available.
And yes, that's what I call a D3 "verbal offer". "You have a spot on the team, let's wait for all the admission paperwork to be complete and we'll tell you what $ we can give you"
Many have rolling admission so the final can come quickly in the fall of senior year.

Anonymous said...

I guess you have all the answers. Funny how different it was for my two older ones. I know in our case, we discussed specific money and the coach helped them get accepted early as part of verbal offer. And they would not have been accepted, nor even applied if it were not for soccer. I will admit, majors were not considered. They have both switched majors already. Did they get full rides, no. Did they save me a lot of money, yes. When you are talking about schools close to $70,000 per year, 40 and 50 percent helps. We could have done much better at lower end schools too, but end goal was to get into better schools and then money was bonus. We had no chance of any other grants, financial or academic. The less you make, tne more you can get as well. Coaches can help you get other grants and prefer to in order to save their scholarship money.

Anonymous said...

My guess is that there are many different situations and variations. It's great to read people's experiences.

Anonymous said...

PF public meeting email seems to indicate they are keeping the DA:


With the Girls Program being awarded with the U.S. Soccer Girls Development Academy (DA) and the Boys Program entering the Boys Elite Clubs National League (Boys ECNL) we continue to grow into one of the nation's most recognized youth soccer clubs.


The meetings will provide detailed information on the player development structure, player pathway & levels of play, team schedules, and anticipated budgets at all levels.


The Technical Staff will be present to answer questions during a Q & A!

Anonymous said...

WCFC giving current-parent presentation this weekend, look for the GDA tryouts to be mobbed, ugh.

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