I am from wildcats and I agree 8:25pm don't responding to the Ajax nutty parent who keeps repeating the same 2 scores scores from as far back as 2013(Boca) and the njx mommy ex-coach who constantly attacks us.Let them talk.No one is paying attention to them anymore.
Didn't know there was a VA/MD following, took my best shot see belowCCL (Club Champions League) - could this become an NPL?1. FC Frederick '012. BRYC 01 Elite3. Maryland United FC 01 ECNL5. Beach FC 01G Red6. DC Stoddert Blue Metros 017. Richmond United U13 Pre ECNL10. Arlington SA Samba Red11. Loudoun 01 G Red13. McLean YS U13 PRE-ECNLVA NPL1. PWSI Courage 01G Red2. VIrginia Rush GU13 Elite3. FC Virginia United '01 4. NVSC Jr. Majestics 015. Richmond Kickers YSC U13 G Elite7. Richmond Strikers Elite OrangeCould not find a leagueFC Virginia Pre-ECNL 01
FC Virginia has earned top spot in region 1.WAGS Cup finalist, Bethesda premier flight champion, Disney Premier Flight Champion.No other teams resume comes close.
Thanks 10:09, but I think the question was where did they play their league games, do you know? They are top flight for sure, there is no doubt about that.
Woohoo, I think they set up a game between FC Virginia and Chelsea FC, give me 2 goals and I will take the pride of the old south.
FC Virginia plays EDPSome team called WEST MONT out of PA East tied them in the springPA guy, who is West Mont and was that spring 2014 game an 8 v 8?
Westmont is a club based near Limerick, PA. Their current U13 team played Div4 of PAGS this past fall. There is no way this club could tie FCV pre-ECNL. 0% chance. This must be a different FCV team that played Westmont.The 01-02 Westmont team of yore did well in PAGS Div1 and was very tough to play, with four very strong players. But there was a steep talent curve for that squad and those four players have since dispersed to Penn Fusion (2), 1776 (1), and Ukrainians (1).-PA Guy
My understanding is that FCV just plays the U13 pre-ECNL teams of the same ECNL clubs that the their older teams play on a particular weekend. Doesn't show up on the ECNL website but the games still happened. Think that's what all the MD/VA pre-ECNL teams around DC do it.
And FVC pretty much plays all comers as a top flight team in many of the very best major tournaments in region 1 and beyond.
Does anyone have the EDP Divisions for the Spring? Curious if anyone moved around.
Has FCV ever played an MLS team? You seem to think that they are the greatest team on Earth, do their feet even touch the ground?
"Has FCV ever played an MLS team? You seem to think that they are the greatest team on Earth, do their feet even touch the ground?"Translation: I wish someone would talk about my daughter's team.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgLDq9pTsdcLooks at this propaganda video, I am misty as I post this message...
Obviously FCV can't hang with an MLS team. Now a professional women's team, maybe.Sarcasm aside, FCV was probably the best U13 team I saw last season but it's not like they dominated everyone they played, and they had their share of ties and even a few losses. They also traveled to San Diego for Surf Cup and did alright out there. I give them credit for their consistent results in all of the tournaments they played.
An article from last Spring re FCV. Don't think it was posted on here.http://www.soccerwire.com/news/clubs/youth-boys/fc-virginia-open-house-reveals-big-plans-despite-naysayers/?loc=psw
FCV Is a good team obviously. They would be fantastic if they could get a great striker. What they lack is the ability to score goals.
I think the difference as far as being the best team in region 1 coming out of the fall season is that they finished so strong, winning top flights at bethesda and disney, both were loaded with strong teams (Disney with top teams from inside and outside region 1). No other region 1 team has that resume or number of significant wins and championships thus far at U13.When you throw in finalist at very strong WAGS Cup flight in october(again highest finish among region 1 teams at wags as they lost in finals 1-0 to Atalanta Top Hat from Region 3) the level of consistency is impressive.As far as your comment about scoring goals where is the region 1 team who is scoring more vs that level of competition in tournament play?Look at Storm in Chicago.Or any other team when playing in these top flights at top tourneys.Very few goals scored by any team vs that level.
I have seen them play. The last time I saw them they had many opportunities but just could not finish. They got several shots off, just missed.
3:29 Don't always finish their chances as with most good U13 Girls teams on this site.That is why the polished strikers are so in demand.Unfortunately too few of them to go around by a long ways.Most of the coaches are looking for them.
3:29 saw a gameDont argue with him. :)
So let's look at Calvert who alos played Disney and dropped all 3close games, but when you look at 2 of the 3 gaveup 12 goals to Boston pre-ECNL.So of CASL and West Florida are not at the same level as Boston what does that say about Calvert? Finished 2nd behind a good NJ Wildcat team with two drops, one to NJ Wildcats 2-1 and one to Pipeline 2-1. However, they do have ONE big win vs PDA Storm 3-2 with no other wins outside of EDP (with the exception of FSA NPL (#6 in NorthEast NPL). I bet they get top flight, becasue they played in 11 tournaments to accumulate all those GS points tosecure #1 in MD and #2 in region1. For the record Calvert is a nice team just not a top flight team in my opinion yet, just need to see some big wins outside of EDP. DALLAS TEXANS 02 DALLAS (TXN) 1-2CASL JUNIORS LADIES (NC) 1-2CASL lost by Boston 3-1 (#4 in NE pre-ECNL Flight) at the CASL ShootoutWEST FLORIDA FLAMES EAST (FL) 0-2West Florida who got crushed by Boston 9-1 (#4 in NE pre-ECNL Flight) at the CASL Shootout
I keep reading goals are hard to come by in the top flights then I see teams like South Shore a very good team get beat down 6-2 by a GA team. I don't want to bring up NYSC and their melt down in MA earlier in the year but I will. I agree goals are hard to come by but I see these crazy scores and I wonder did the tournament people get those teams wrong or was it just a bad day. Just never thought I would see top teams give up more than 5 in a game
Statistical outliers exist throughout life
"So lets look at Calvert"Much of those points were from spring. Seems they cut back at least a bit in fall prior to Disney (which YES, was a pretty good showing taking on the elite - CASL game was payback for Calvert's spring win.)Plenty of top wins in spring
Isn't it fairly likely that a bunch of nj teams will be playing each other in 2nd flight? Especially after last year beatings, there is no way they will be put in top flight again.
My bet is that PDA AJAx or Dragons and Wildcats will be in top flight
Ajax and crush were both embarrassed last year - they don't derserve another chance. I think dragons and wildcats should be second flight and crush and Ajax third.
Can't argue against Wildcats but are Dragons ready?
Finaling SC, winning an event and league standing help Crush, make no mistakeBut indeed they will likely be 2nd flight.I'd have Ajax there as well - and Dragons further down
Winning an event? What event was that? these guys know that nj state cup was a no show this year - funny you even mention it. Careful what you wish for - only hope is that you send a bunch of teams down there because pda won't take you guys in their showcase.
What happened last time dragons played crush in real state cup? Should they be down a level because they play less than half of what crush plays in GS events? And I believe at time of you had two of your most valuable players that have sinced moved on greener pastures.
@805.......It's already been established that last Fall's State Cup was meaningless. Something like 14-15 of the top 20 teams in the State did not participate. Lets move on.
5:50 Spring was u12 - Yes good showing at Disney with no result (0 points) and like I said 2 of the Calvert couldn't score on gave up 12 goals to Boston Pre-ECNL. That's a top tier team, they out scored 2 of the teams Calvert lost to in Disney by a 12-2 margin. So my point - is Calvert a top tier team by dropping two games by a combined 1-4 margin when those same teams lost by a 12-2 margin to a top tier team in Boston. Just asking the question. To me that shows they are not at the same level of Boston but are close to CASL and West Florida when it comes to putting them in the correct flight.5:44 I guess your right.6:40 Not sure Dragons are ready,but they are the best u13 PDA team at Jefferson. They not only beat PDA Ajax head 2 head they also won the same league they were in (11 games played). What flight they are in, is up to Jefferson, but they should be higher than AJAX that's for sure. NJ Wildcats have done nothing to suggest they don't belong in the top flight and since one of their L's came to AJAX, maybe Dragons should get a chance. Correct me if I'm wrong - but didn't Dragons beat NJ Crush in a State Cup game the last time they played. NJ Team at Jefferson rank.NJ WildcatsPDA DragonsPDA AjaxSTA (I can't see beyond Manhattan 3-0 loss and please don't say forfeit - that's the worst thing a team can do, shows no respect) NJ CrushNJCSA GalaxyNJCSA ElitePDA ShoreAtlantic UnitedJust one fools opinion -don't take it to serious.
This Spring State Cup looking to be the same. No PDA teams and no MF Pre ECNL. rumors are MF NPL will play.
Trying to stir things up?Pass.
Dragons tied CrushDragons advanced on PKs
Please stop with Dragons/Crush. Last Spring and different teams.
Thank you!! From oh so many of us!
No acceptance for PA Classics in Jeff Cup. That had to be a huge blow to them. They did win the very bottom bracket last year, in a shootout, I believe. Guess it wasn't enough.
They took Atlantic United over Classics?Strange
10:49 You have a problem when someone brings up Dragons/Crush spring results but no problems when Calvert does. I agree with you but be fair. That comment was made to prove a point.We all know some teams lost key players and others added key players from u12 to u13. I saw the Calvert comment "Plenty of top wins in spring" with no one saying " Last Spring and different teams". Be fair
You just did.
I dont see any evidence Calvert is a changed team.And I think Crush is getting back to form nicely, with depth and healthDragons seem to be rising, but the next hurdle is a big one.
11:11 This why I am following the NYCSL NPL - It's a very interesting to me NYSC worked hard and put themselves in a great position and were given a gift when STA over booked their fall schedule while NJ Crush and ISA were off a little. No playoffs in this league they will play 7 games this spring an EVERY one is super important to these 4 teams if they want to book their spot to INDIANA to represent their league.The NorthEast Girls NPL isn't high on my must follow list. I think there will be no change in the top 4 teams. They will play 11 more games and the seeds will be the only things affectedwhich shouldn't matter becasue all these teams have a big sister that can help out with depth once they start adjusting their roster for the u14 ECNL season. The hot team in June will represent this league - not necessarily the best team.I am curious how NJ Wildcats & STA handle the Spring as both these teams are doing 2 leagues. Nj Wildcats are playing Region1 Champions League for a spot in West virginia which they already have as NJ NCS champion. They should have an easy path to INDIANA via EDP NPL, but I'm sure NJCSA & LVU will have something to say before the party is over. STA on the other hand will probably do EDP and NYCSL NPL again, they already made one mistake when it comes to scheduling, curiousto see how the Spring plays out.New England NPL NEFC in control with Oakwood having an outside shot if Bayside and Seacoast can steal some points from NEFC.Virginia NPL - three team race between PWSI, VA Rush and FCVI think BRYC wins the Region1 Champions league Blue with PWSI and 1776 having a sayPWSI also maybe over stepped by playing 2 leagues in the Spring -we shall see. I think red is the better flight as it has SOUTH SHORE, GREATER BINGHAMTON,PENN LEGACY & NJ WILDCATSJefferson is the 2nd tournament of the spring season but beat MSC Tournament to the party by releasing their accepted listed first even thought it's 2 weeks after. Either way 2 nice tournaments to follow before the Spring Season kicks of with seats to INDIANA and WEST VIRGINIA on the line.
#JeffCup2015 top brackets will be released Friday 10 a.m (boys) and 1 p.m (girls) Booth 440 in Exhibit Hall.
Did he just say"I think BRYC will win Champions League with 1776 and PWSI having a shot....."right after telling us that WILDCATS are playing Champions League?Good Lord
My bad - I see now he said BLUE
2:21 as he said there are 2 separate brackets of 6 teams each, then the top 2 from each side will make semifinals.
The CRUSH guy is like the Hess truck, he is back and on a roll. Let's hope for his sake the teams does the same. Was hoping he was one of the parents who went to pda, guess not....
Crush is Baaack!!Start up that Crush Copter!And charge up the video camera!
What do you guys/gals think about youth soccer turning to Birth year rather than July/Aug split? Is it better for soccer? never understood why we do that does anyone know why July/Aug split. Never understood how a girl born in Aug would have an advantage over a girl born in Jan. If this ever happens u13 becomes u14 for the girls born Aug-Dec. Any thoughts?
Doesn't matterWould just be a different group of girls at the younger and lower end.
You don't think it shakes things up a little? I think it shakes up the teams a lot some girls will not be able to play up a year and may in jeopardy of losing a spot. However, in another year or two when most of the kids are playing HS they will be playing with older kids if they play varsity, I see your point for the premier player it wouldn't matter.
No it would matter for the premier player. Take a club like PDA, you would be combining the girls from the U13 team born in the last 6 months 2001 with the girls from the u14 born in the 1st 6 months of 2001. For the Premier player it makes no difference in high school. Usually on each high school team there is 2 or 3 premiere players only.
If you look at the US National teams, on women's side, it seems to make a difference what time of the year you were born in. I broke it out in 4 month intervals. 1st qtr = Jan to April birthdaysU20 team 1st qtr - 17 girls2nd qtr - 12 girls3rd qtr - 12 girls4th qtr - 8 girlsU19 team1st qtr - 20 girls2nd qtr - 15 girls3rd qtr - 6 girls4th qtr - 13 girlsU18 team1st qtr - 26 girls2nd qtr - 20 girls3rd qtr - 10 girls4th qtr - 10 girlsI am not sure why the birth date seems to make a difference.
January-July birthdays would obviously benefit, theoretically.The elite Aug-Dec player forced to play with some bigger, oft times better players, would eventually benefit as well, though some others would struggle
Although my child has a July birthday and would benefit from it, I don't see any good reason to change the birthdate cutoff. For the vast majority of youth soccer players, soccer is about playing with your friends,almost all of whom will be in your grade. So keep the current Aug.1 date because it more closely matches the school year cutoffs. Individual players always have the option to play up if they want more competition or for Aug. and Sept. birthdays, to play with their grade.
@January 14, 2015 at 8:29 AM: Is that being discussed or is this purely hypothetical?
11:10 Purely hypothetical - with an answer to come in days. The Boy's DA and I believe the Boy's NPL are all Birth year. NPL followed the DA.If the girls get a DA - either a new one or if ECNL is sanctioned by the USSF as a DA then I think they will go to birth year there is no reason for them to be different. US club did hire a new CEO with big time MLS experience and if US CLub becomes a big player on the girls side with their ECNL and NPL I can see this happening.That's why I asked the question.
The Relative Age Effect (RAE) is very real in certain sports like hockey and soccer:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relative_age_effect That being said, wouldn't the current overall structure (league play has the Aug 1 cutoff while ODP and USSF training have the Jan 1 cutoff) help avoid the RAE? Under the current structure a player born in October is an older player for league play and a younger player for the birth year stuff. Sounds like a good mix to me.If you are going to make league play also based on birth year, then they should consolidate the age groups into two birth years. I.e., instead of U9, U10, U11, U12, U13, etc., you would only have U10, U10, U12, U14, U16 and U18. This would have avoid the RAE, too.
11:37 I agree like the boys do -u13/u14 is one group, u15/u16 is another followed by u17/18. Less teams this will make the NPL teams even more important if ECNL is sanctioned. I like that the College season will be Fall and Spring now. I also like that we have u12, u14, u16, u17, u19 NT teams also with 12, 14 & 16 being more the developmental ages before they get to play international CONCACAF games I am also curious to see if they change the below. How many teams play like this or train like this?This is what the USSF wants from our teams to develop our kids.Offensive styleAll teams will be encouraged to display an offensive style of play based on keeping possession and quick movement of the ball. Quick transitions and finishing Speed of play, avoiding over-dribbling, looking for an organized and quick movement of the ball and finishing will be encouraged in all age groups.Position specificA team must be organized defensively, keeping their specific positions in the formation. However, players will look for spaces and movements to support forward when attacking by moving away from their original positions.Formations4-3-3 formationTeams will use the 4-3-3 formation, either in its 4-2-3-1 or 4-1-2-3 variations. Teams in the advanced stage (U15 onwards) can also use a 4-4-2 formation with a diamond in the middle. This system(4-4-2 diamond) provides more space in the wide areas of the field for the outside backs to move forward and join the attack.TECHNICALPassing & receiving:Passing the ball on the ground with pace from different distances and receiving the ball while keeping it moving will be encouraged in all age groups.TACTICALPlaying out from the backAll teams must feel comfortable playing the ball from the back through the midfield and from there to the final quarter of the field.Possession & transitionAll teams must try to keep possession of the ball playing a one-two touch game. Players will be encouraged to support and move, thus creating passing options. Once the possession game is consolidated the team must learn how to transfer the ball in the most efficient way from one area of the field to another.CompetitivenessCompetitive players will be rewarded for their effort and focus.
If US soccer has girls DAP will it be free like the boys? How will that be financed? Or it will continue to be for well-off kids in which case nothing really will change.
Free?? No way. There is no $$$$ incentive to develop girl soccer players. Families are on their own.
All young ladies have the chance to learn the techiniques of football from a very yong age
Soccer Trolls, really, here???
I Posted a foundation to have some fun until tomorrow if you guys want.STA beat World Class and should be #4, but they lost to Manhattan 3-0 or forfeit, Nj Wildcats twice, Atletico, Calvertt & NYSC which knocks them out of the top flight in my opinion.1. FC Virginia Pre-ECNL 012. BRYC 01 Elite Virginia3. Cincinnati United Soccer Club CUP Gold4. World Class FC '01 Charlton (beat Dragons)5. PDA Dragons (beat Ajax) 6. PDA Ajax (beat Wildcats)7. NJ Wildcats Averbuch (beat Maryland, Calvert)8. Penn Legacy FC 01 Black (Tied Wildcats, beat PennFusion)9. Penn Fusion SA '01G ECNL(Tied Wildcats)10. Tri-State FA Elite 01 (Tied Wildcats)11. Maryland United FC 01 ECNL (lost Wildcats, Tied FCV, PennFusion) 12. CASL Juniors Ladies (beat Calvert)
I don't think both PDA teams get into the top flight, and I would switch-out World Clueless.
1:15 a joke right?
1:37 What's funny - besides yours post. Replace who with who and why?
Keeping with the teams listed above, the groups could look like this:Bracket A Group 1FC Virginia Pre-ECNL 01Penn Legacy FC 01 BlackMaryland United FC 01 ECNLBracket A Group 2BRYC 01 Elite VirginiaPDA AjaxTri-State FA Elite 01Bracket B Group 1NJ Wildcats AverbuchWorld Class FC '01 CharltonCASL Juniors LadiesBracket B Group 2Cincinnati United Soccer Club CUP GoldPDA DragonsPenn Fusion SA '01G ECNL
1:50 That would be some flight, yes the list isn't perfect and of course Jefferson will probably have different teams Since I kept it simple just using GS and head 2 head games. If you want to replace a team tell us who will be the new team and why.
I would move Dragons and WC to second flight, and I would move in __________ and _________!How’s that, better?
What ever dude - I was talking show your stuff like below, right or wrong. Anyone can do what you did, but I guess that's what makes you special and me a yahooSTA beat WC head 2 head.But the reason I have WC ahead is below.WC has 7 LsSTA has 8 Lsvs Common OpponentsWC 1-0-2 GD -1STA 0-1-2 GD -2STA MORRIS UNITED NPL 01 (NJ) 2-3ALBERTSON FURY '01 PRE-ECNL (NYE) 1-0EAST MEADOW HOTSHOTZ (NYE) 0-1PDA 01 U13 Pre-ECNL 0-1Match Fit Academy 01 U13 Pre-ECNL 1-3Boston Breakers Academy 01 U13 Pre-ECNL 1-6FSA FC 01 U13 Pre-ECNL 1-2Connecticut FC 01 U13 Pre-ECNL 1-2PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY STORM (NJ) 0-0ALBERTSON FURY '01 PRE-ECNL (NYE) 0-1EAST MEADOW HOTSHOTZ (NYE) 1-2MANHATTAN SOCCER CLUB NPL-01 (NYE) 0-3NJ WILDCATS AVERBUCH (NJ) 1-3ATLETICO FC GIRLS '01 (NYE) 0-1NJ WILDCATS AVERBUCH (NJ) 0-2CES CALVERT CREW WHITE (MD) 0-2NEW YORK SOCCER CLUB NPL-01 (NYE) 2-3
Relax Mr. Yahoo, just pulling your chain...I think FC crush should be in top flight, they need a team that wears orange.
Jeff Cup likes 8 team brackets so I’ll go with a top flight ofBracket ATri-StateCalvertPenn LegacyWildcatsBracket BFCVWorld ClassCincyPenn FusionBased on their performance at Jeff-Cup last year, I would put in Tri-State (winner top flight 11v11), Cincy (top flight 11v11 runner-up), and Penn Fusion (winner top flight 8v8). And yes, last year is different from this year, but it’s a good tiebreaker and if for Jeff Cup, it rewards teams for a good performance in my tournament and makes them more likely to return. Between STA and Wildcats, went with the State Cup champ. Between Calvert and BRYC, picked Calvert to get a Maryland team in. While Calvert did poorly at Disney, BRYC did poorly at CASL.
Assume you mean CASL not Calvert. Either way, I'd put them in(CASL) in 2nd div and keep BRYC in top. Agree with the 8 team bracket though.
I meant Calvert. I don't see any reason why CASL would be considered before Calvert Crew.
You will find out tomorrow when real flights come out.
My bad, no one was mentioning Calvert before you and I didn't see them as I glanced the accepted list, only CES. Should have known. So yea, 100% agree. Planning on watching live tomorrow, guess we'll see.
PA bozos taking over the board todayBad enough bot Penns were in a 12 team first flight. Second bozo has them both top 8
Well said, 4:12. Good luck refuting that, Bozos!
Hahaha, no love for the Keystone cops?
OK Mr. Cranky,who would you replace them with then? I would argue PDA's A team doesn't deserve top bracket, so hard to see their B and C getting in. I guess you could make an argument for BRYC but who else?
I know this sounds lame, and it probably is, but if we don't get into the top flight I don't even feel like going...
World Class Hamm!Oops, they did not get accepted, sorry my bad.
3:31pm again. People on here are funny. Calling me a bozo but they're too lazy/incompetent to form a reasoned response. And I'm not from PA and my daughter plays for a team not on my list but judging by other lists, a team that a lot of people on here thinks should be in the top flight.But to answer your snide but otherwise useless comment, yes, I have two PA teams. One is clearly the top team in PA right now and the other one won a top flight at Jeff Cup last year. If you disagree, either back it up with reasons or shut up.To the one who suggested BRYC instead, here's my logic: BRYC and PF tied at WAGS (0-0) so that didn't help. Since they were in the same flight at Jeff Cup last year, I picked the winner of that flight, Penn Fusion.
Dude - get currentNo way in ---- BRYC isnt it top bracket
BRYC? Maybe but that poor showing at CASL does stand out and 11/8& 9 is pretty current. And frankly there are some ties and one goal wins to some rather weak teams earlier this fall. Looks like they hit their stride at bethesda so they have that. And I'm the guy who said you could make an argument FOR them, but who would you replace? We're talking nothing but top teams here.
If you move BRYC in I would move World Class out.
Give me 10 to 1 and move CRUSH in
"that poor showing at CASL"This team has 3 titles and 2 seconds for 2014. (I may be light by 1)Are you jumping at, cherry picking certain scores to go against this?
.....and before you downplay the competition level, look at quality wins in their team history. Then compare it to some other teams, such as Fusion.
CALVERTL'sDALLAS TEXANS 02 DALLAS (TXN) 1-2CASL JUNIORS LADIES (NC) 1-2WEST FLORIDA FLAMES EAST (FL) 0-2NJ WILDCATS AVERBUCH (NJ) 1-2PIPELINE SC BLACK (MD) 1-2W's outside ofEDPPLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY STORM (NJ) 3-2FSA FC U13 GIRLS NPL 01 (CT) 3-0BRYCFC VIRGINIA PRE-ECNL 01 (VA) 0-1FC STARS OF MASSACHUSETTS NORTH UNITED (MA) 0-2JFC STORM 01/02 (FL) 1-4CREW JUNIORS CREW JUNIROS GOLD WEST (OS) 1-2Big W'sGREATER BINGHAMTON FC 01 SELECT (NYW) 2-0MATCH FIT ACADEMY FC PRE ECNL (NJ) 2-0MARYLAND UNITED FC ECNL (MD) 1-0BETHESDA SC ACADEMY 2001 BLUE (MD) 2-1I would pick BRYC - I'm sorry Calvert has done little for me to be a top flight team.
Not picking on Calvert I think they are a nice team 2nd flight for sure. They won 12 games as a u13 team and lost 5and also have 2 ties. Not exactly a top flight team in my eyes. If you look at them out side of EDP they are sub .500 in 6 games played. Not top flight.EDP W10, L2, T1, GF24, GA7NON-EDP W2, L3, T1, GF9, GA9
Penn Legacy Top Flight? Beside Penn Fusion beat down Creeks win, no other big wins - Why is this worthy of top flight?CREEKS SOCCER 01/02 CREEKS KRUSH ELITE (FL) 2-1PENN FUSION SA '01G ECNL (PAE) 5-1CREW JUNIORS CREW JUNIROS GOLD WEST (OS) 1-3CES CALVERT CREW WHITE (MD) 1-1NJ WILDCATS AVERBUCH (NJ) 1-1ATLETICOGU12 (NYE) 3-0NJSA 04 GALAXY (NJ) 3-1PIPELINE SC BLACK (MD) 4-1UKRAINIAN NATIONALS BLASTERS BLACK (PAE) 5-1UKRAINIAN NATIONALS BLASTERS RED (PAE) 5-0FUSION FC STRIKERS (PAE) 4-0HEREFORD HER-RICANES (MD) 6-0PAGSRAGE SC '01 Atheltica 2-0UKRAINIAN NATIONALS Blasters Black 3-1PHWM Pumas 7-1HULMEVILLE Dynamo 7-0FC REVOLUTION Force 5:1 YMS Banshees 1:3 1776 UNITED '01 2:2LDC UNITED Attack 2:0YMS Banshees 5:3PA CLASSICS Academy 01 3:1
Going back to your listBracket ATri-StateCalvertPenn LegacyWildcatsBracket BFCVWorld ClassCincyPenn FusionCalvert Out Penn Legacy OutBRYC, CASL (beat Calvert head 2 head),either PDA team can make a play for top flight.
9:37Maryland United and Bethesda Blue are not " Big W's"You were fine with just mentioning GB & MF Pre-E, don't push it!
My bad I thought I read on here that Maryland was used as a big win. Just wanted to be consistent.I take back Bethesda you are right.
I guess i listed them because I listed FSA NPL for Calvert. I think they both are better than FSA NPL
You guys are daftOf course Maryland United countsLook at who THEY have defeated - and soundly.As with Match Fit ECNL in NJ, dont get fooled by MDFC's rank
9:53..Guess we will see tomorrow at 1:00! My question would be "why exactly is that NOT deserving???"
9:57You must be from PDA. Too funny!
Didn't wold Class beat PDA Dragons this fall?They also played in much stronger pre -ecnl league.No way Dragons make top flight over them.
10:35I did look, some impressive ties over the last 6-7 months, no wins against elite teams(unless you count PA Crew which I wouldn't) but also a couple ties with not so impressive teams. Wouldn't say beating MDFC would qualify a team(BRYC in this case) to be in top division, other wins more impressive, like I said. They(MDFC) are a very good team, should be second division and have a great chance to prove themselves.And to whomever said they didn't want to go if their kids team wasn't top division is crazy, Assuming these divisions are 8 teams, second division is going to be stacked as well, with every one playing to prove they deserved to be in first. Going to be some great soccer!
Yeah, I was the moron who said I did not want to go to JeffCup unless we were not top flighted, duh! Why am I complaining? I guess it's a competitive creature by nature, and my child's success is paramount to me, but sometimes her ultimate happiness suffers. I am weak that way, I am a victim of my own imagination. My child won't even ask what flight they are playing in, they just want to compete, and of course win.
7:27 at least you are honest about it.Yes, it's about your own ego for you and not about your kid.You are not alone as there are many other moron parents like you out there in youth soccer.You are the ones who are devastated by losses and complain about your teams coaching and training and always looking to move your daughter to greener pastures and the latest and greatest, while in the meantime your kid is probably already thinking about where she is going to eat and what she is doing tonight on her way home from a loss in the car, while you can't let go.Then you come home and attack the other team, their parents, coaches,style of play etc. on the blog when you get back home to get even for them beating your kids team.
Many of us have egos, but its not one or the other. It can be YOU enjoying the ride - AND doing what is best for your daughter as well.Enjoy the success of others - yes, even opponents along the way. So much more rewarding this way, socially and in terms of the mental health of player and parent.
ahhhh, 7;27 am here, and while I always appreciate an honest response, you have taken it way too far.I am never devastated by a loss, if sucks, but it happens.I have only moved my daughter once since u11, for the much better might I add.We never discuss the game, win loss or draw, unless she brings it up.Finally, I do not attack anyone on this blog, and while I may poke a few teams, its all done with goodness in my heart.So there.
I'm sorry but I laugh at comments like 12:25 & 12;32 telling 7:27 what he needs to do or thinking they know what he/she does. I'm with 7:27 I want what's best for my kid and don't need anyone to be PC with me.PS. What makes anyone think this guy/gal isn't having the time of his/her life watching a kid become a young lady and a soccer star. I am obviously enjoying the ride for as long as it lasts since I found this board to post with other nuts, shills, crazies, coaches, yahoos and yes maybe some kids.
12:34 so that makes you a better parent? How can you say you never attacked anyone but you say that you poke fun at a few teams - this is an anonymous board and you can never tell how some takes your post, what if they take it as an attack?I'm all about talking soccer from GS, to results to development to clubs BUT NEVER about what someone should do with their KID talk about taking it to far.I got your back 7:27
I'm with 12:34. &:27, like so many others on this board, attacked someone over an honest post about exhibiting behavior many of us share to some extent. And so what if someone sometimes pokes fun at a few teams? I'm not going to worry about whether someone might take some good-natured ribbing as an attack. I'd much rather have open and honest conversations instead of having to worry about whether some wimp has his feelings hurt by an innocuous post.
Isn't that what 7:27 did honest post attacking no one.So 1:15, you are with 12;34 & 27 which attacked him, but yet don't see it that way. You don't care if feelings get hurt by attacking a team (another kid's child) by poking fun at them. Wonder how you would take it? Let me guess it doesn't bother you because you don't talk about it with anyone you just post about it.
jeff cup announcing top flights for girls as we speak.Will someone post top flight for u13 when it is announced.thanks.
I’m sorry, but if Ajax gets into the top flight, I am going to throw-up.
They didn't but that is the least of it
One teams u12 one never played before?
Calvert, Wildcats penn fusion, UGA
Richmond United, cinnC
Boys, they could not be more stupid....
Bracket ACalvertCASL (NC)WildcatsFCVBracket BUFA (GA)CincinnatiPenn FusionRichmond
cASL, fcv, and UFA sorry
Richmond United. What a joke! Just on results and skill (ignoring GotSoccer), they're not in the top three of Virginia, maybe not even the top 5. The only reason they made the top flight is because it is a Richmond Strikers tournament. It's shameful that Jefferson Cup is playing favorites with its club team.
Calvert inGood luck, Wildcats. Enjoy the process.Seems we all overlooked the home squad
Bracket ACalvert #1 MD #6 NatCASL (NC) #1 NC #131 NatWildcats #2 NJ #11FCV #1 VA #7UFA (GA) #2 GA #83Cincinnati #2 OH # 41Penn Fusion #4 #63Richmond #22 # 849
No one overlooked the home squad, its just that they don't belong in the top flight, and probably not even in the second flight. It just goes to show that all of the tournament's talk about their careful selection process is a load of crap.Did you see what was the team's qualification listed in JeffCup's twitter post? "training for first ECNL season" That applies to every pre-ECNL team in the country but at leasta lot of those other teams have played in and won tournaments. Richmond United has done nothing.Absolutely disgraceful.
Does anyone know when the other brackets will be announced, and I have to agree, Richmond getting the nod over many other more deserving teams is a complete disgrace.
The Georgia team wasn't even listed in the accepted teams. Jeff Cup has really screwed this up.
Richmond who?? Over Penn Legacy who beat Penn Fusion 5-1?! Wow... Speechless.
Jefferson Cup Girls U13 Championship Flight Projected Flight Value 9,500. GS Rank6 CES Calvert CREW White7 FC Virginia Pre-ECNL 0111 NJ Wildcats Averbuch41 Cincinnati United Soccer Club CUP Gold63 Penn Fusion SA '01G ECNL131 CASL CASL Juniors Ladies4020 Richmond United U13 Pre ECNL83 UFA Premier (Not on Accepted list - ooooppps) Calvert and Richmond I would have not picked, Congrats to all the teams and Good Luck, curious to see how this plays out.For the GS lovers 2nd Flight and 3rd Flight to carry a bunch of points unless another Richmond type selection happens.
Dude, that’s just the top flight, relax....
Anyone's daughter have experience with Next Gen USA programs? What do you think? What have you heard?
2:56, get out of here with that, we are all complaining about Jeff cup!
So Richmond United is a combination of Richmond Strikers and Richmond Kickers. Last year, the Strikers’ A team won one game in State Cup before losing 4-1in the semis. The Kickers A team lot in the quarterfinals 5-2 to the same team who later beat the Strikers. And yet we’re supposed to believe that a combination of two mediocre teams now belongs in the top flight of Jefferson Cup. What a crock.
This will not stand, I am calling my Congressman!This is madness...THIS IS SPARTA!!!
really Good teams - to be placed in flights together, so they are not in the championship flight, they will get some good games played and equal GS points if not more than the top fligt.CFC Arsenal SkyNJ Crush FC TsunamiTri-State FA Elite 011776 United XtremesBRYC 01 EliteMaryland United FC 01 ECNLNew York SC G01Oakwood Soccer ClubPDA AjaxPDA DragonsPenn Legacy FC 01 BlackSTA Morris United NPL 01 World Class FC '01 Charlton
Yeah Jeff Cup Conversation more important. Waste of time if your team is not in the top 2 brackets what is the sense of traveling down there to compete in 3/4 brackets. As for Next Gen if not selected for the free TIP program don't waste the money they ask to pay for camps other programs within the umbrella to support salaries. Bunch of guys that got greedy and walked away from a huge pool of kids in the EDP league to develop. They are looking for a bigger pay day which is not happening. EDP TIP to College was just announced and will evolve more into the EDP league and universities connection.
Now mind you, I am partial because my kids team did not make the so-called top flight, but I am hopeful that after looking at this list, she will have a great and competitive time with some of the best teams on the East Coast of these United States...
Bracket A looking a lot harder than Bracket B, IMHO.
Assuming JeffCup goes by quality and results (and not club connections again), the second flight should be worth more GotSoccer points than the top flight – STA, World Class, BRYC, Ajax and Tri-State should make the flight worth 10,000 points.
@3:29, they're probably trying to give Richmond United a chance to tie a game, so their choice would look quite so pitiful.
Anyone know when the other flights will be announced?
Bracket ACalvertCASLWildcatsFCVUFACincinnatiPenn FusionRichmondI disagreeCincinnati is a top team rankings aside Top Drawer has them as 14 ahead of FCV. PennFusion is a solid Team and UFA beat SouthShore 6-2. Richmond oh well.FCV top Region1 Team followed by a strong Wildcats team both will beat CASL and CES. I think CASL beats CES again who will drop another 3 games in my opinion. FCV vs Cincinnati in the Finals. But of course they have to play the games this game is not played on paper or in some yahoos mind.
For my GS friends - all you need is 5 of these 12 teams in the same flight and you will have a 10,000 max flight. So Both 2nd and 3rd in addition to having great comp should have max GS value - consider this a gift for some teams that missed the Championship Flight. Honestly the 4th flight will probably carry some serious points as well if GS is your cup of tea. From a comp level - I don't think Jeff will disappoint. 5 STA MORRIS UNITED NPL 01 8 WORLD CLASS FC '01 CHARLTON22 PENN LEGACY FC 01 BLACK29 BRYC 01 ELITE 31 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY AJAX 37 RAGE SC '01 ATHLETICA 44 TRI-STATE FA TFA ELITE 01 47 NEW YORK SC G01 51 NJCSA GALAXY 54 HARFORD FC UNITED THUNDER 55 OAKWOOD SC 55 YARDLEY MAKEFIELD SOCCER YMS
3:36 agree.Other than choosing their own clubs home team for top flight,(they did this in the other age groups and let's face it PDA does same thing) the jeff cup did a very good job of choosing the best 7 teams.Jeff cup did not go by just Got Soccer Rankings and most on this site are constantly saying that is not most important characteristic of true ranking so you can't argument there.It's obvious they only took 1 team per state other than grandfathering in their own Richmond team so if you disagree with top flight you have to argue that for instance, Penn Legacy deserves to flight over Penn Fusion or TFA deserves top flight over Cinn.Cinn clearly correct choice over TFA(although TFA very good team) and Penn Fusion plays better comp than Legacy so better resume overall.Other than good showing at Spirit top flight back in august when did Legacy test themselves vs top comp?No other top tournaments entered and weak league.
Depends on the cutoff for the top points. I put it at the 47th ranked team, so I doubt the third flight will get max points. Should still be alot of points though.
4:01 agreed. Same reason BRYC didn't make it as FCV was choice for top flight from Va.
I really like that 47th ranked team, don't you?
It's not that I like the 47th ranked team. It's that GotSoccer lists 4668 U13 teams and a team has to be in the top 1% to contribute 10,000 points to that tournament points. Just in case you still can't comprehend the logic, 1% of 4668 is 46.68. I rounded up to 47.
60 deep will get you max GS points since there are 4,020 ranked u13 teams.
@4:01, you can't say that they took the best teams and then also say "t's obvious they only took 1 team per state." If they truly took the 8 best teams (or 7 if you allow for the travesty of picking a mediocre club team), they would have picked teams regardless of home state
From http://home.gotsoccer.com/support.aspx?content=support§ion=Rankings&HelpID=118"Teams in the top 1% contribute 10000 points."By your count, would have to be top 40.
Full brackets out on Monday 1/19, in case anyone was wondering.
4:17 I am not saying they only took the best 7 teams.I am saying they they took the best team in their opinion when there were 2 teams from the same state in consideration for the top flight.This is true of many of these tournaments as they want a diverse group of teams so that teams that travel to come to the tournament will not play the same teams as they play in their own state .
Cinncinati Cup gold and FC Virginia look like the 2 favorites in Top flight.
60 / 4020 = 1.4925% 0R 1%
4:37 I am okay with that if you look at leagues you still have the below and there are still more quality teamsCCL #1 = FC FrederickPAGS #1 = Penn LegacyVirginia NPL #1 = PWSINYCSL NPL #1 = NYSCL NPLNYCSL PL#1 = AtleticoNE Girls NPl #1 = PDA DragonsNE NPL #2 = Oakwood Plus Pre-ECNLContinental FC Delco ECNL '01World Class '01 CharltonBethesda SC Academy 01 BlueMaryland Utd. 01 ECNLOhio Premier Fire Girls U-13 RedMcLean YSA U13 PRE-ECNL
"......and there are still more quality teams"Right. This is the beauty of this event. First flight or fifth you are getting 3 excellent games.
Unless you're playing Richmond United, then you only get two.
You dont assume they have a decent club?Do you really think they would put themselves in a position to go 0 goals for and 12-15 against?
Is that the same Richmond United team that finished as finalist in the third bracket at the CASL Shootout?
Richmond United is 849th in Nation and 22nd in VA yet they were placed in the top division at Jeff Cup. Insane.
Defeated MD United Red, who soundly defeated Ajax and a few others.BRYC likely better - we'll see
You mean Dragons and Ajax didn't get in top flight at Jeff Cup.PDA, you have some esplaining to do.Didn't they say their B Teams would be Competing in the top flights of all but the ecnl events?Guess there is not as much respect s they thought for their B Team league, NE-NPL.
They'll be there next year. Don't worry. They will be taking your teams place. Hard to be seeded at the top this year when you haven't played the top tournaments or have been trolling for Got Soccer points. This tournament is the beginning.
Better start making that Kool-Aid you serve up there a little stronger.Those brackets were not decided by Gotsoccer points.
Older groups top lights at Jeff Cup are the same as U13 top flight.A mix of teams from both non-ecnl and ecnl clubs.There is no monopoly for the ecnl clubs.Best teams are chosen regardless of club.
Richmond United beat Md United's B team at CASL, not MUFC's pre-ECNL. Trust me, there's a big difference between the two.
There is no doubt Richmond Strikers are in as a homer.But they did the same thing in every age group by putting their ecnl team in every age group in the top flight.Just another example of ECNL teams not being the be all end all.some very weak teams in ecnl.
Yes 6:13It was never stated otherwise.The MDU B team had quality wins under its belt, as was said.
I think teams will speak up if they feel they were improperly flighted. Adjustments could be made.Lets see what Monday brings.The U11 seemed a bit screwy as well.
Georgia team beat CASL at Dismney, lost 1-0 in final to FC Virginia
Dragons might get 1 win in 4th or 5th flight....
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Someone has an infatuation with PDA. Not healthy. Worry about your own team and their lack of winning.
Teams not in the top flightLeague Finish:CCL #1 = FC FrederickPAGS #1 = Penn LegacyVirginia NPL #1 = PWSINYCSL NPL #1 = NYSC '01NYCSL PL#1 = AtleticoNE Girls NPl #1 = PDA Dragonsplus teams in the top GS National 605 STA MORRIS UNITED NPL 01 8 WORLD CLASS FC '01 CHARLTON29 BRYC 01 ELITE 31 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY AJAX 37 RAGE SC '01 ATHLETICA 44 TRI-STATE FA TFA ELITE 01 51 NJCSA GALAXY 54 HARFORD FC UNITED THUNDER 55 OAKWOOD SC 55 YARDLEY MAKEFIELD SOCCER YMS Plus Pre-ECNL TeamsContinental FC Delco ECNL '01Bethesda SC Academy 01 BlueMaryland Utd. 01 ECNLOhio Premier Fire Girls U-13 RedMcLean YSA U13 PRE-ECNLThat's 21 teams if they keep it 8 teams per flight a strong 2nd and 3rd for sure.
Second and third flights will be quite good
Yes , the 2nd and 3rd flights will be also strong. It's so nice to stay positive. It's the stats that you have in front of their names that is obviously not relevant as to what flight they are put in. If you look at "those" numbers they are higher than some of the ones that are in top bracket. 11:53 and 12:53 did your girls make the top bracket?
1:49, what is your point? Are you actually trying to justify the selection process of the Jeff cup committee? Are you for real? Everyone knows that some of those teams are NOT top flight material, please, go back to your rock, and take another nap.
11:38 here - My kid will not be playing Jefferson.They used hat was important to them (it looks like u12 events as well).I respect their decision - I would not have included Calvert, PennFusion & CASL based on u13 results, but that's my opinion. I'm okay with the Homer selection it is their tournament.
Answer the question...did your daughters make top bracket? We really do appreciate the pep talk.
2:09 what part of 2:07 don't you understand? If they are not playing they can't be in Top Flight? Does that make you fell better? Penn Fusion in 3 u13 tournaments not their own - 4 Ls, 3 Ts an a win over Ajax and Pipeline.Calvert in 2 tournaments outside of EDP and their inflated GS values - 3 Ls, 2 Ts and a win over PipelineCASL lost West Florida twice who went 0-3 at CASL with a - 10 GD in top flight and 1-2 at Disney with only win vs Calvert. But they are in 3rd place in NPL league
Calvert was in second flight last year and made a joke of it8 goals for 1 against
Then again same could be said for Penn Legacy - in 8 v 8Second flighted - 11 goals for 0 against
Other than home teams selection there is not 1 team in top flight that you can say another team from their state should have made it above.jeff cup did a very good job .Never gonna plaease everyone but unless rhey were willing to take 2 teams from the same state(bryc and fcv, wildcats and dragons,sta or ajax, cavlert and maryland untied,TFA and Cinn Cup Gold, Penn Fusion and Penn Legacy),they decided to split the top flight among the best entrants from each state, and they did a great job in every case of picking the best team from those applied from a given state.
YesThat should end discussionThanks, 5:23
These flights and the 2nd and 3rd flights when they come out on monday tell you where your team really stands in the minds of those who make the decisions that matter, like flighting at major tournaments. The opinions of parents as to their own teams ranking/status are meaningless.
Yes, I said they will have a tough decision before they made it and will probably get some wrong.My only problem is if they took u12 results and tournament placements that would be wrong for this age group at u12 half the states played 8v8 and the other half 11v11 so any top flight wasn't a top flight because only half the entrants were eligible.So going by u13 results you can't with a straight face say Calvert is the best in MD or maybe you can. PennFusion can't be the best in PA with the results they had plus the beat down they got from Penn Legacy.But it is what it is - just don't come on here and say "Answer the question...did your daughters make top bracket?" that's bush.
6:09 You can certainly say calvert is best in maryland by u13 results so far. Maryland united doens't have a comparable win to match calvert win over storm.After all they have a win over pda storm in nov.Also other than spirit tournament legacy just hasn't played any good teams so penn fusion has played the much tougher opponents(spirit, bethesda, wags, pre-ecnl league and probably got a slight nod based on that. Legacy will get thir chance to prove themselves in region 1 league this spring with many tough games.Same argument you had in college football final four picks.Strength of schedule has to play a part in the process to be fair.Teams that enter all the top tournaments like calvert and penn fusion get a slight nod for playing so often vs top flight comp and holding their own vs the best teams out there on a regular basis.
The Legacy parents I have spoken with feel the Fusion nod was a legit choice. Fusion was in the Jeff cup bracket above them last year and most likely should have been chosen first. Legacy needs another strong spring to prove they belong with the top teams. Winning games in the Champions League will help.
6:39 I agree with what you are saying, i just have a different opinion thats' all - my kid isn't playing in this tournament, so I really am just offering my opinion on how I see things - no feelings one way or another. Take it for what it's worth one yahoo's opinion nothing more.PS. I don't think it's right to give a team top flight just because they played Spirit, WAGS, Bethesda, FC Stars or any other major event. Call me crazy but I am one that sees things as simple as this. Penn Legacy wins their League and beats Penn Fusion head 2 head by 4 goals in addition to having better tournament results but don't get the nod because PennFusion's league is stronger? But if we look at PDA Ajax they get the advantage because they played in more major events than PDA Dragons, but PDA Dragons have beat them head 2 head and finished ahead of them in the same league, I am willing to bet they will finish behind Ajax because they played in local tournaments to prepare for their league instead of playing at Spirit, WAGS or Bethesda. Something is wrong with this picture.Like I said I do understand what you are saying - I just have a different opinion which happens to be a minority on this board.
Having played Calvert and MD United, Calvert is better.
I respect that and I respect the Jefferson top flight as well. Just gave my opinion which was a little different.Will have fun with the rest of the flights once released and then move onto the MSC.
Legacy beat, no, demolished PF. Beat Creeks, tied Wildcats, and tied Calvert. That's not enough to prove worthy of top bracket? Far more worthy than Richmond and AT LEAST as worthy as PF!
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8:12 I see your point - However, since you made me do more research I have changed my opinion on PennLegacy and PennFusion.Penn Fusion has some really big wins vs Region1 heavy weights and also tied Wildcats. I can see why they got the nod. But I do agree Richmond should not be in the top flight - they took a spot from a team that deserved it just because they are the host. But the host always gets a bye into the tournament - World Cup, Olympics so why not Jefferson.1-0 East Meadow SC 01 U13 Pre-ECNL2-1 Match Fit Academy 01 U13 Pre-ECNL3-2 Boston Breakers Academy 01 U13 Pre-ECNL
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