9:37Why bring up Legacy unless you think that post at 8:09 was one of our parents. I hope not. From the rest of the post it sounds like a rage parent who's daughter didn't make your team trying to cause trouble. But even so you can't go insinuating our players are injuring yours or others due to the way they play. 10:08 is right, I was standing right there, little or no contact. The girl planted her foot, turned awkwardly and went down. No foul, and our girls kicked the ball out of bounds as soon as they realized she didn't get up. You should know there are girls on Legacy that play with her elsewhere, who, along with their parents were genuinely concerned for her. I hope she has made a full recovery, I hear she is not only a great player but also just a great kid. If there's going to be a rivalry between these 2 teams, so be it, but let's keep it on a soccer field, between our daughters, not on a blog site. d
What's wrong with asking what happened to PF? Why does someone have to be a raged parent? They are struggling and the question was simply why? Calm down folks. As for the person bringing up one specific incident as to why, that's nonsense, so just ignore!
"Rage" as in the club they mentioned, not raged(adj).
It's a battle of the keystone cops! Hahaha
The club on the rise is Rage? I somehow doubt that.
Rage, could be the first u13 National champion. They at the Super Y Finals in Florida in 2 weeks.Can't say nothing bad about the team. They play Jefferson, WAGS and Bethesda in flights they are placed. They play PAGS and Super Y. Nothing wrong with this team/club. Similar level of play to most teams.
Players from MF NPL and MF Black will be on the move to other clubs when they find out the mess that will be heading their way.I know I'm getting out
Oh, you mean the Super-WHY? league, yes, I see, enjoy the warm weather, and keep dreaming those delusions of grandeur while you knock-bakc those pinacoladas, yum!
And where are you going 8:32, Boca or Crush?
If you are getting out that means your daughter probably should not have been there in the first place. You would not leave if you were going to be on either the ecnl or ne npl team next year..... There will be a fair amount of fall out after these teams are determined. Hopefully the next club is a better fit.
The way things are going, MF Black may be the NE NPL team next season. Players on the NPL team has an option to go back to NJX. Most of the teams out there do not have something to fall back on. The 1-2 players who care about ECNL can try their luck with PDA or MF ECNL and see how far they can get but for the rest, I hear they do not care.
8:42That is a very interesting post.However, I like the exception rather than the rule. As a matter of fact, the powers that be are trying desperately to change the culture of women's soccer.All agree that it starts with the young girl at 7 and 8 years old. Does the trainer promote the old way or do they try to teach the young ladies the value of ball skills, passing, IQ and such. Do they demand their players to find away through feet passing, movement off the ball, and yes toughness to bring the ball up the field. can we take one of those big fast tough players and make her extremely technical with quick thought Or does her soccer education end with "step to ball" tackle hard- get the ball forward.I would like my daughter to be able to be trained in al the facets of the game and I would like her team to play it in a style that shows toughness and great technical skill.I will not pay a coach or trainer for anything less.I have seen that script before and it is limited.
8:33I thought the whole object of U-13 soccer was to play at national events no matter how strong the competition is or isnt. Team bonding and all that. Why criticize Rage for doing just that?
8:32Goodbye and best of luck to your daughter. Their really is not a need to come on here telling your business if you have to stay anonymous saying it.
8:52, relax, just busting chops, good luck to you guys!
"What happened to PF? They went from winning everything to never winning. They seem to tie a lot which isn't necessarily bad but sure are struggling to get those W's! Did they add too many weak players?"Well finishing in the middle of that ridiculous pre-ECNL league is certainly an acomplishment, so I assume you are looking at their GotSoccer page, which has a lot more black and red on it than in the past. No issues that I can see. I don't see any players I'd classify as weak. Indeed, after six months of practice at a high level, I think the new players have largely caught up to the old players.They're just not putting the ball in the net as much lately. Chances are there as always, but they need to put more shots on frame...too many shanked shots and "field goals". They'll figure it out. This team just needs to learn to "show up" consistently for every game. There are no easy games any more.
8:46 of course and no one said otherwise. we ALL strive to get to the highest level of skill we can attain for our girls.Just making the point that if you think womens college D1 soccer is every team playing the beautiful game and building out of the back you are ignorant of what the game is at that level.
I'm going to defend Continental FC 01 U13 Pre-ECNL or at least make an attempt since we've been talking lot's of PA soccer recently.CFC Delco played 8v8 last year in PAGS D2 with a W4, T2, L3.So this team had to add players just to play 11v11.You take a PAGS D2 team that neverplayed 11v11 before and throw them into the fire.As expected we have the below scores:0-3 Match Fit Academy 01 U13 Pre-ECNL0-4 East Meadow SC 01 U13 Pre-ECNL0-4 FC Stars of Mass 01 U13 Pre-ECNL0-4 Penn Fusion SA 01 U13 Pre-ECNL0-5 Boston Breakers Academy 01 U13 Pre-ECNL0-5 PDA 01 U13 Pre-ECNL I can't kill them for this, but besides the 5-0 scores(which could have been even more) not to bad when you look at the other teams. They did better in their other games and were in every game just by the scorelines.2-1 FSA FC 01 U13 Pre-ECNL0-1 World Class FC 01 U13 Pre-ECNL0-1 Albertson SC 01 U13 Pre-ECNL1-2 FC Bucks 01 U13 Pre-ECNL0-2 Connecticut FC 01 U13 Pre-ECNLSo when I read posts concentrating on their huge goal differential. What did you expectfrom a PAGS D2 team going against some of the region's top teams. I can tell you this - the team had to play every game at a fast pace and doing this 11 more times in the Springcan only help.Below is theoir GS history for this Year.Bethesda Tournament-Girls1-0 FC STARS OF MASS NPL (MA)0-1 YMS BANSHEES (PAE)0-0 BEACH FC 01G RED (VA)WAGS Tournament 1-1 MERCER FC SPURS (NJ)1-0 HBC BARRACUDAS (NYE)0-3 KINGS HAMMER ACADEMY RED (KY)Spirit United Kickoff Classic0-4 RAGE SC '01 ATHLETICA (PAE)4-1 OSHAWA KICKS SC RENEGADES (CND)0-1 PA CLASSICS ACADEMY 01 (PAE)I am a fan not a parent - keep it up CFC Delco.
One More thingAug-SeptGP10, W1, T0, L9, GF5, GA29, GD-24Oct-NovGP10, W3, T2, L5, GF5, GA15, GD-10You can see an improvement the more they play.
12:17Not ignorant at all -Just appreciate "Joga Bonito."Its part of my culture.We must never justify a particular training style to fit what is wrong with college soccer.Especially at this age, we must strive for technical perfection. No short cuts. Nothing that attempts to win the game now without going through the proper process. Something that is lost on many youth coaches, as they realize, wins brings customers and ignorance is business.I don't blame the business model. I have been part of it in the past. If you would like to see whats right with girls college soccer-please tune into the University of Virginia game this friday.Another exception to the girls college game from your point of view.
NJ top 15 (excluding Rage) with number of events:13 NJ WILDCATS AVERBUCH12 STA MORRIS UNITED NPL 019 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY AJAX6 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY STORM14 NJCSA GALAXY7 MATCH FIT ACADEMY FC NORTH EAST NPL10 TSF ACADEMY 01/02G10 ATLANTIC UNITED ACADEMY - AVALANCHE5 PDA DRAGONS12 SDFC SAMBA8 NJCSA ELITE6 MATCH FIT ACADEMY FC ECNL10 NJ CRUSH FC TSUNAMI12 FC COPA ACADEMY LIMA NPL6 MEDFORD SC HURRICANESSo if we took an average to remove the accumulation elementbelow is your GS NJ top 10 2840 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY STORM2185 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY AJAX2050 NJ WILDCATS AVERBUCH1759 MATCH FIT ACADEMY FC NORTH EAST NPL1745 STA MORRIS UNITED NPL 011516 PDA DRAGONS1165 NJCSA GALAXY1155 MATCH FIT ACADEMY FC ECNL1059 MEDFORD SC HURRICANES1047 TSF ACADEMY 01/02Gwe still need to have November events and 2013 eDP FALL to fall off and League awards posted from other Leagues so this will change again.
Yes, and I agree and as you say I mentioned UVA and Stanford as college teams that do play the beautiful game.but those 2 schools have not only the highest level of soccer programs and traditions but combine that with the highest level of Academic Programs Traditions, so of course they have their pick of the most gifted, skilled, tactically astute, dedicated and athletic soccer players when it is time to recruit.They both have top 5 recruiting classes EVERY YEAR.there are not nearly enough females of that level of skill and quality coming out of high school every year for the majority of the 300 plus Division 1 Programs to play with that level of skill and tactical awareness and precision.What you are touting is a dream, not a reality for most D1 Programs and their coaches."Jogo Bonito" only exists at a very few places on the men's side, and is much , much rarer on the womens side.
1:12 Because of posts like this. If it's not GS points it's wins. Teams will sacrifice learning to play the game for immediate gratification.Sorry for the spelling and typing errorsBelow are PA and NYE top 10's AVG points and the number events following the team name.PA 2039 PENN LEGACY FC 01 BLACK 101888 RAGE SC '01 ATHLETICA 81659 PENN FUSION SA '01G PRE-ECNL 71348 HMMS EAGLE FC 01 SPIRIT 91320 UKRAINIAN NATIONALS BLASTERS BLACK 61184 YMS BANSHEES 111176 FC REVOLUTION FORCE 91169 PA CLASSICS ACADEMY 01 101054 LVU 01 GIRLS 8915 1776 UNITED FC XTREMES 9 NYE 3217 WORLD CLASS FC '01 CHARLTON 72903 EAST MEADOW HOTSHOTZ 72345 ATLETICO FC GIRLS '01 62202 ALBERTSON FURY '01 PRE-ECNL 52069 SACHEM SPEED 41587 ISA 01 NPL 71328 NEW YORK SC G01 81246 MASSAPEQUA LIL' ROWDIES 6965 SABA BROOKLYN CITY 8878 LAGRANGE RAGE 8
Then call me a dreamer. I will be in good company!
Below are the final 16UCLAHarvardIllinois State4 Pepperdine3 KentuckyArizona StateRutgers2 Virginia1 Florida StateNortheasternUCF4 Wisconsin3 South CarolinaSeattleColorado2 North Carolina
12:31 - an improvement? Yes because they only play 4 league games in Oct-Nov time frame. CFC played much lesser teams in tourneys. You have them losing to 3 PAG 1 teams, who also had to go to 11v11 this yr. Just like every PA team this yr. The played in the the 4th tier at Bethesda(1w), played in the 3rd tier at WAGS(1w)and at the Spirit (their own tourney) in the 2nd tier(1w)So I think once they get back to league play in the spring the results will be the same.Sorry
1:33 They lost to the PAGS D1 Regular Season Champions 1-0 and to YMS 1-0 another PAGS D1 Post season team.1-0 could have gone either way, keep in mind this is a middle of the road PAGS D2 team last year. So Improvement - YES
As I said this was a PAGS D2 team playing against these powerhouse teams. What do you expect? They won't win a game but let's see if the GD gets better 0-25 in 6 games.Match Fit Academy 01 U13 Pre-ECNLEast Meadow SC 01 U13 Pre-ECNLFC Stars of Mass 01 U13 Pre-ECNLPenn Fusion SA 01 U13 Pre-ECNLBoston Breakers Academy 01 U13 Pre-ECNLPDA 01 U13 Pre-ECNL
You guys may have too much time on your hands.BTW, Sometimes the winning comes BECAUSE of the development not instead of it. This is year 5 for most. If you really want to know who's playing the best soccer right now - this fall(at least by the standards you are using), then go solely by the fall, August 1st till present. Games played a year ago are meaningless now as many of these teams have either added or replaced a third of their rosters after spring. I think you will get a much different list(but it too will be just as meaningless), but it still might be fun to see the difference.
Sorry to interruptPart of learning in sports is attaining the will to compete, the drive for as result.Some players will dribble and pass circles around the masses but wilt like a daisy when the chips are on the line.Just the way it is. All teams need a mix of the beautiful and the incessantly determined. The names of "I will not let us lose this game" types litter our womens national team, present and past, make no mistake...And some teams you disparage here certainly show some of this. While some ECNL rosters could use more of it.Mental portion of the game involved COMPETING, not just team bonding ("Pass the ball!") and unselfishness.Which players have that EXTRA something when down a goal - or when protecting a slim lead? The "beauty" of soccer can quite often take a back seat at these times.
1:50 that is a great post!your points are lost on some who really never played or coached at that level and are just repeating what their club tells them about what is important to make it at the D1 and higher Levels of Womens Soccer.A little knowledge is a dangerous thing in most soccer parents.they quickly become Echoes, oops I meant Experts, LOL.
1:50, words of wisdom Lloyd, words-of-wisdom.
1;50You make it sound like the technically proficient player and the "will to win" player are mutually exclusive qualities. You make it sound like being tough and not having technical skills is some sort of badge of honor.There are quite a few players at this age group that have both and more players that only have one or the other.You seem to make excuses for the players that do not have both.I think you will agree that the players that have only one or the other are inferior to the player that has booth.I have seen this many times before- programs that promote one over the other and put down those programs that are on the opposite end of their spectrum.Give me a program that values both. This is the program for my kids.If my kid follows the coaches lessons, and she is talented, she will be able to play in any system .
FC Copa needs to come out of top 15 after showing this weekend at Maps tourney, sorry guys, way to go to get back up.
2:32, you are out if your mind if you think there are many of those types of players, there may be 1 or 2 per team, if that.
How about a coach who continues to play a player who can not dribble or shoot or has no idea what is going on during the game? And plays 90% of the game and nothing is ever explained or what is expected. How's that for $2500. Or a player that dribbles the ball all the way down the field and kicks the ball out of bounds again and again and again. Like instant replay and nothing is corrected. Great investment for professional training? Then the coach has the balls to say that was the worst soccer he has ever seen. Guess what club?
I give up, what club??
3:14 Is it MatchFit?
No!!!!! It couldn't be match fit? Has to be some other club
2:32Isnt the opposite true?Dont the almighty footskilled ECNL folk pain the non ECNL as "technically challenged"?
Spill it 3:14
Wildcats don't have a player who dribbles the ball all the time and kicks it out of bounds..No ball hogs on wildcats team.They are not talking about wildcats.
I have not seen that type of player on any of the top 7 teams in NJ.
believe they are knocking ex igfa girl now on MF.Player has a rep for not passing ball.
I will defend player mentioned, I seen her play recently. looked to be a team player. Moved ball around
3:14, you are an idiot to bring up an individual player, especially in a negative context. What’s wrong with you? Have seen her only once, and she looked like a great player to me, hard to believe its her that you are referencing. Please rise above the rhetoric, and take a deep breath, enjoy your time together.NYE GUY
Shame on you trying to signal out a player. You want to signal a club out then go ahead but not a player. On the top teams in the region I have not seen of such a player.
Ease up on 3:14. He/she didn't identify any player or club. Sounds like someone venting frustration because they are paying for an elite club team, but it's more like a pay to play scenario. It was others speculating about the player and club. I can tell you that the mentioned player and team does not fit 3:14's description at all.
My updated top 10 based on very recent performances...1. PDA Galaxy2. PDA Storm3. MF pre ECNL4. Wildcats5. PDA North6. MF NPL7. STA8. PDA South9. Crush10. TSF
What, no Boca???
1:24pm-you are incorrect as there are still 32 teams in womens college cup-2nd round play is not until this friday nov 21
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12:44ahhhhI see what you did thereI have heard Galaxy (U12 team) are terrific.
I think PDA Gunners should go ahead of Galaxy
Breaking news: Wildcats are #1 in te nation. Just got the email.
Thank god. Finally someone got it right. Justice has been served. Now the Cats are no longer the hunter and have become the hunted.
Will the sideline now be filled with the big foam fingers: Number 1. I hope they don't block the view of the games.
Tell ya what -beat them - or shut up.
Wildcats #1 - based on Gotsoccer point system used to bracket teams more accurately for tournaments which is great for this age and next as teams get older it changes TopDrawerSoccer one of the best recruiting sites online has a ranking system as well and they have 'So Blues Cal - Baker' as #1& 'PDA - PreECNL #3.So which one do you think will be more useful eventually?http://www.topdrawersoccer.com/club-soccer/club-soccer-team-rankings/women/u13/1/452
Well, the win over Cats by AJAX should now be seen in somewhat greater light.
Foam-fingers, haha, that’s funny.Where can we order those from, and does it have to be the index finger?
I think you can get them with any finger you choose.
11:03 first the ecnl snobs want to shut competition out of their league, now they want their own rankings service that only consider ecnl teams.NO problem. You guys can go on your TopDrawer site and look at your exclusive ecnl rankings.Just don't expect those subjective rankings to interest everyone else.GotSoccer Ranking are fun because everyone knows the rules going in and you have to put your team on the line and win and advance to earn the points. There is no I'll scratch your back if you scratch mine phone calls.And there is no "my team would have won but we didn't want to enter".No thanks.
59.3% winning percentage and #1 in the country? Yeah, that seams about right. No smoke and mirrors there....
Admins may want to delete some posts. We're approaching 5000 and I feel a war of words coming on quickly.
11:47am - Not a ECNL snob just sharing information based on what we will be seeing in the future. What rules I here Teams bring in 3-4 guess players in to stack there teams come spring and summer to gain points how is that a true team. Yeah rules with a lot of loopholes. LOL12:06pm - Your exactly right 59.3%doesn't seems like smoke, mirrors and next month when they lose their points from last year so Wildcats can come back on this blog next month and brag they are top 5. lol
Either way they can say they did it even if for a short time
Come on now. You have to laugh at the GS point system. Certain leagues constantly "donate" GS points to all to make sure that teams who want those points play in their league. Really does not mean much anymore. Now show the match ups, head to heads and all and that actually gives people the full picture.
still a cool accomplishmentCongrats Wildcats
Since they were mentioned earlier let's provide a side by side comparisonNJ Wildcats (GS #1) - Entered 10 ranked tournament in last year+, champions in 2, finalist in 1. Also receiving points for EDP Fall 2013, EDP Spring 2014, and EDP Fall 2014. 59.3% winning percentage.So Cal Blues - Baker (GS #15/TD #1) - Entered only 4 ranked tournaments in last year+, champions in all of them. No points for any league play. 91.7% winning percentage.But you know, that TopDrawer ranking is flawed because it's for ECNL teams.
1:09pm Great statistics, I applaud your research. Just shows GS rankings are great to accurately place teams in tournament and league play brackets appropriately but when the true picture like you have shown us comes out I would say there are many more teams better than NJ Wildcats or nay NJ team.Wildcats enjoy the moment in the spotlight things change month to month and year to year.
So Cal Blues - Baker - Played 12 Games on Gotsoccer. #3 on CAS on gotsoccer. Wildcats - Played 54 games on gotsoccer. Keep chasing the points. Could you imagine how many gotsoccer points So Cal Blues would have if they played 54 gotsoccer games and in a league that awarded points.
PDA Pre ECNL played a whooping 26 gotsoccer games. If they played 54 you might be able to double their gotsoccer points.
Smoke screen is clearing up......
I see smog or smoke rising up, clearing the path pretty well. As for the blogger who posted TopDrawer Rankings - Thanks for starting up this convo. and additional information.
still an awesome accomplishmentCongrats Wildcats
I think we should all put it aside for once and just say congrats to the girls on that team.No matter what we think, they worked hard and should enjoy what they have done.Nothing is forever, we all know that. Let the girls enjoy it.
The issue I see with this ranking is that it MAY be posted by the club for marketing purposes to bring in uneducated parents to the club. It could be used as a reason why you should join this club. Those who understand GS rankings understand the value but others may think its the gospel and choose a club just because of their GS ranking.
Every club promotes, your point?
@1:52, I'm one of the guy who posted the side by side comparison showing the smoke and mirrors behind the rankings, and even I think what you just wrote is one of the dumbest things I've ever read.
It's all about gs points for the cats as their clubs website is bragging about them being #1. What a joke. How can you really brag about something like this and you can't even win a top tournament. Lmao.
why are you on their website??
1:58 that is stalker talk
1:58 I see it got you stalking their site. All clubs promote their accomplishments.No one is saying it means they are the best team in the country by any means.but they did enter the events and they did earn the points.Wildcats didn't make the rules or influence gotsoccer rankings.
Maybe he was looking at taking his daughter to the #1 u13 team in the nation and wanted to get some info.
I'm just curious about what club you are from 1:58 that you speak of top tournaments? I'm looking around for my daughter. What top tournaments have your daughter's club won? Maybe my daugher will try out for your team?
Go on any club website and you will see the team picture and accomplishments of their top teams given exposure.right now they are I believe the only NJ team in any age group, boys or girls to have earned a current ranking of #1 in USA on Gotsoccer rankings.
I'd like to SEE the So Cal vs Wildcats gameDo they play anyone of similar style to Wildcats? Or just the "pass it around" Beautiful Game type?So.....for now the losses we talk about for Wildcats are to AJAX 4 months ago and last weekend to FC Virginia.Let's see what the next one is.....And lets see all teams at State Cup in spring, eh?
And that is why GS has ZERO credibility. 15,000 plus points for beating one team. STA. You have proved the point that GS is for the second tier teams. The others do not need it. Enjoy your moment but please do not try to rationalize where the "points" come from and let's please move on.
I have to admit it's fun to see the 2 or 3 wildcats stalkers and haters squirming now.They have spent the last year relentlessly trying to bury this team and Widlcats have just kept working and playing the best tournaments and leagues they could enter.Job well done by that team to rise above all the negativity thrown their way on this site.
I'm having a hard time finding any major tournament won by any NJ team this fall. If thats the standard, you all stink.
2:16 good point.It's the full body of work over time after all.You can't pick and choose individual games to evaluate a team. Overall record vs elite teams played over course of a year is only true test of any team.
List where the point came from and all will go away.... You got ZERO points from the top tournaments. ALL your points came from your league that promotes GS points. Very simple. Called the truth. Funny how you never list where the points came from..... Wa Wa parent- But Mr. college coach, we were #1 in GS points at U13.
TSF U13 boys are #1 in the country, by the way
The points cats earned last week for 3rd overall in Bethesda top flight of 8 were certainly won in a top tournament.And how is 8 wins 0 losses and 2 ties in spring EDP Central division that included wildcats, Storm, Dragons, Ajax, still strong Rage, NJ force, NJX Celtic a weak league? Those points were earned vs top teams as well.
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Top Drawer Rankings – NON-ECNL teams - U135 Jacksonville FC - JFC Storm 01/02 6 Legends FC - 01 8 New England FC - Elite 11 Tophat SC - 20 Gold 12 Braddock Road YC - Elite 14 Cincinnati United Premier - Gold 18 Sachems FC (MA) - Speed 23 La Roca Premier - FD 24 Lake Forest SA - Girls Select
if you are going to throw in Top Drawer and put down GS you need to support.NJ Wildcats have played the below TD ranked teams in the last year.W1, T2, L1, GF4, GA3.TD#3 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY STORM (NJ) 2-0TD#22 FC VIRGINIA PRE-ECNL 01 (VA) 1-2TD#22 FC VIRGINIA PRE-ECNL 01 (VA) 0-0TD#24 LAKE FOREST SA LFSA GU12 SELECT (IL) 1-1We can spin things as much as we want the facts are.NJ Wildcats are #1 GS team in the CountryDid they play more tournaments than most other teams, yes also a Fact.Did they play more games for the same amount of money or less than other teams???Are they a State Champion going to Region 1 Tournament with a chance to go to USYSA Nationals, Fact.Will they win their NPL and also play in the NPL Finals?????Will they enter US CLub Spring NJ tournament and win that tournament to also play in the US CLub national Event????I'm not a parent - but there is no reason to HATE - who cares if they are pumping their chest. Why wouldn't they?
I agree, let them enjoy their moment in the sun, because we all know it can become cloudy rather quickly. NYE Guy.
Oh-Oh, its almost Futsal season, and I know so many people on this board love Futsal, right? Northeast Regionals are in February, see you there!
I also got the email announcing the #1 ranking followed shortly thereafter by a Next Level Training email noting a $10for increase per extra training session and a reminder cash only.
My daughter loves soccer. I only kinda like soccer. I love golf. So let me put it into words that make sense for me, and someone tell me where I'm wrong.YOU: You're this guy on the tour who is obviously very talented. Nobody disputes that. You play in every single tournament all season long. Week in, week out, another course in another part of the country. And nearly every single week you're finishing in the top 5. Sometimes you finish second. One time you even won, the one weekend that the other 24 golfers ranked in the world top 25 decided to sit out. You're the top money earner on tour, and after a good finish at TPC (you came in 3rd), you're the newly crowned #1 ranked golfer in the world. Congratulations. And nobody questions that you've put in a lot of work to get here.THEM: They're another golfer of insane talent. But because they're involved in other things, they've decided that they're only going to play the four majors this year. And would you look at that, they won every single major. Would you rather you or them?I can take this one step further (NJX, I'm looking in your direction).YOU: You're killing the competition because you're this big, hulking, beast of a golfer. You have this insanely violent swing that, by the grace of god, works for you. Some how or another you manage to make contact with the ball every swing and it travels a country mile. And when it's within 20 feet of the cup, you just don't miss. Yeah, your swing is taking it's toll on your back and you're likely to be gone from the tour in a few years because you just can't keep that up forever, but you're winning now.THEM: They're a late bloomer, and they can't swing quite as hard, and the ball doesn't quite reach where they were hoping to play it, but their swing is as pure as the new-fallen snow. And they've been practicing that picture perfect swing religiously, and when they fill out in a year or two, look out. They're in contention now, and 5, 10, 15 years from now, they'll still be on the tour, and they'll still be earning money, and there's a pretty good chance they may some day be the #1 ranked golfer in the world, too. And they'll hold there for years.Would you rather be you or them?Am I making any sense?
You'd be making sense if there was a New Jersey team that was "winning majors"
Let the Wildcats have there moment. I'm sure next month or two we will be bashing the next #1NJ team. I remember a team down south I think it was Rage was #1 plenty of times last year and look what happened so let them enjoy and hopefully they stay together for the next few years. Gotsoccer/Topdrawer etc. all rankings with good logical backup behind them but look at NCAA football they can't even get there rankings right. lol
East Meadow and PDA still not scheduled - and seems that game may be for all the marbles for fall.I am assuming PDA Storm wins both its games vs CT teams this weekend
Confused by the you them post. Wildcats, you play identical to old NJX team. So which one are you? The question is what do you want to be? NJX has been there and now merged into MF to improve their technical game. They have and now their best will merge with the pre ecnl best and create a true top team. Isn't that the "progress" you would want to see in your club?
EM/PDA showdown is 12/13
Funny how the same arguments about the value of GS can be found on the U-16 blogs as well. Exception is at that age the NJ ecnl teams are #1 & 2 and got soccer seams to be thought of pretty highly by them. Seems like the ecnl teams will continue to "chase points" just like everyone else for the next couple years. It's only when they aren't catching many that GS is considered worthless I guess.
4:25 The answer to your question for us is no. To us "progress" is snot "compiling players" as you call it from multiple teams to make 1 super team and too bad for the late bloomers or others who are not at this point strong enough to make the"compiled" Team.We will develop the players we have and any who come to fill open spots on our roster. None of our players will be "compiled" or cut at the end of this spring after tryouts.To each his own.
Just like they don't try after they lose to a non-ecnl team.Was MF pre-ecnl not trying last weekend at Bethesda as they finished 4th overall behind Wildcats and earned no points since they didn't place(top 3 place in 8 team bracket with no semifinals). If the points earned were so "easy" and "meaningless" why didn't MF earn any?
3:33 Not true. 3:33 is just a liar as well as a stalker.
@4:59, not a Match Fit parent, but they got screwed by not getting GS points. They finished tied in second place at 4 points with Cincinnati but beat them head-to-head (don't know how that happened) so they should have been treated as the semi-finalist.
4:59 That's the difference in a nutshell. Wildcats were ecstatic that they earned GS points with their 3rd place finish. While MF was disappointed in their results. By the Wildcats standards they had an incredibly successful tournament-they finished 2nd in their bracket and got GS points. By MF's standards they had a crappy tournament - they finished 2nd in their bracket but didn't play to their standard and they didn't win it. Different culture, different goals.
Match Fit Ecnl team would assume do not care about the points. played at Bethesda vs some good quality teams. Only purpose for attending these type of tournaments.
5:16 MF.With 8 teams MF finished behind Wildcats overall.Wildcats finished in top half of bracket.Not incredibly successful, just ahead of MF is all.
5:29 and 5:32 you are setting out opposing goals for your team.which is it?1 - You don't care if you advance and get points and only want to play the games for experience.or2 - You are bitterly disappointed in your finish in bottom half of bracket.
I meant 5:21 and 5:29
5:16 Again, typical. Wildcats seem happier to have finished above MF instead of being disappointed they didn't win it. I can tell you that MF wasn't happy they finished above 4 other teams.
"Anytime you have to use a team or league to see how your team stacks up then that league or team is the "standard" and by definition better than the team or league that needs the comparison to legitimize their value."Matchfit parents this post says it best.Your team seems to be the standard that wildcats feel a need to compare themselves to.See all the previous posts that compare them to you in the tournament.
7:24Standard your ass....Why wouldn't the cats compare their team to MF? MF is from NJ, there is so much comparison between ECNL and other leagues and you people think MF is Gods Gift to NJ Soccer. I wouldn't call them the standard. I would just call it two clubs who have decent teams from the same State competing. I don't think the cats are trying to be like MF. SORRY....Nice try.
Forgot to say this. MF was the only NJ team on their bracket I compare themselves to at Bethesda!
With the parents and coaches from the 2 nj ecnl clubs always coming on here telling wildcats they are going nowhere and the 2 ecnl team are the superior teams and the only places to be it's only natural that Wildcats enjoy sticking it to them when they beat them or finish higher in the same flights of tournaments. Which they have done more often than not when they are matched up or in the same flights.
What is unsettling to them is that this wildcats team is challenging the misconception that parents have no choice in nj but to put their child through the meat grinder if they want to get to college.Maybe they don't have to deal with the anxiety as a player and a family of wondering whether their child will be one of the few left standing when those clubs finish "compiling" their A team from all the players coming from who knows where this spring to form the ecnl team for U14.Maybe they can be part of a team where if they make the required commitment and work hard they know they will have a secure spot, play every game and be allowed to develop over time to their potential.Now wouldn't that be a refreshing change?
9:06 A lot of good points you bring up there. However, the thing the ECNL clubs bring to the table that you don't are "B" and "C" teams that will get the same looks if not more than you're #1 team in the country will get IF they are still together in 3 or 4 years. And the parents on those teams don't feel pressure about being on the "A" team because they believe in the training and the exposure their kids will get in the high school years. The kids will strive to get to the top team but its not the be all/end all. Folks that's the difference between us and them. How much depth at each U level does your club have? My kid is not on the top team but I will go no where else just to get on an A team that's good now. Again, look at last year's ECNL clubs U-18 college choices. A, B and C teams. Pretty dam impressive. .
I was thinking the same thing.perhaps the wildcats can educate us and stop this attack on them.Simple question:How many kids from your u18 team signed a letter of intent to play in college?The list should stop all this nonsense.Please post it so we can move on.
You assume the players being dropped from the A team when you finish compiling/cutting/recruiting will be satisfied dropping to the B or C Teams when they are cut.As we have seen those B teams do not get in the top flights and are playing 2nd flights or local tournaments and in the npl league division with the other ecnl club b and c teams.how exactly will that develop them as well as playing on a team that plays in the top flights of those same tournaments?those B and C teams are not being given the same chance to attend competitive tournaments to supplement their league play and if they do they are not put in the top flight so as not to compete with the A team in your club. And now with your expanded rosters they are not even assured of getting playing time or even dressing for each event.How exactly does that speed their development, not to mention their self esteem and confidence as a player?
9:43 It's the team and every team is different, not the club.
9:43 and 9:52I did a quick check of the news tournament in the important college recruiting years from u16 -u18.It seems that there are ECNL b teams in higher brackets then the wildcat team.I am trying to figure out why if what you say is true.It is possible that this current team will be the gem of the club and play in high brackets during the high school years but as a parent who looks at clubs. track record is important.I am not hater but would just like to hear your reasoning on this.
meant to say 9:50 and 9;52
Absolutely across the club the wildcats do not have teams at the level of the U13 Team.As was said every team is different and the U13 team is setting their own mark.The U13 coach and trainer has before built teams in clubs with NO tradition of winning at this level and won state cup and developed a team full of successful D1 players.Wildcats Club is miles ahead of those clubs where that occurred.
If you want to talk about how much better of a job the ecnl clubs are doing at college placement compared to non ecnl clubs in New Jersey please back it up with a list of last years graduating class and where they are playing in college. PDA only posts boys, Match Fit not since 2012. In other states, the few ecnl clubs who do post this info, I see as many DII & III schools as DI. Not bad, but certainly not the 30 DI full rides that I expected from all the talk. I do know this, of the top 6 ranked college teams right now, only 1 roster spot is held by a New Jersey native and she is a former Wildcat playing for UNC.
Wildcats would beat MF and when they did , you would all call it kickball.
The wildcats wouldn't score against MF. So best they can hope for is a draw.
11;32i don't think PDA is going to respond.They don't give wildcats a second thought.They are very happy with their choices.Wildcats success has no bearings on what they want for their kids.
What about the results from the CASL Shootout? It looked like that tournament had a very strong field.Is that this weekend?And Disney top flight looked very tough as well in U13 in a few weeks.
there was an issue with region 1 Director and heard he was fired and may be indicted.Now Region 1 site has no more region 1 Premier league but looks like they are starting up a new program called Region 1 Champions League.Anyone have info on this or who is planning to enter from our U13 Teams?
CASL Shootout for this age group was two weekends ago. Michigan Hawks won the top flight; they were a very impressive team, one of the best I've seen. PWSI won the second flight. No points/results have been entered into GotSoccer yet.
Everyone Check back GS next Wed. rankings will change based on some tournaments from last year expiring. So Wildcats enjoy your one week on top. Those GS rankings are not meaningful at all except to help bracket teams in tournament and league play.
The good news is that the blog is running out of room. Good idea to shut it down until the spring. Not much sooner left and you all need to focus on something else.
Hate all you want. They did it even if only for a week. Congrats to the Wildcats! Awesome accomplishment!!!!
20 more posts and it shuts down...now 19.
Hurry, need to get the #1 foam fingers right away. They will only be good for this weekends games.
Really bothers you that they did it and you didn't.Get over it already. Let's move on to something positive.
11:32 how convenient. Cut the rankings off at top 6 D1 schools. UVA is #7 and has THREE NJ girls on their team. Just another example of the pitiful manipulating and bull spitting that goes on here. MF is the standard? Says who, some parent looking to brag it up? Congratulate the Wildcat girls for their achievements on the field, not for "overcoming the negativity on this blog". Those kids could give 2 craps about the ramblings of some jealous parents from other teams. That's a fact. Informative and insightful posts like those of soccer nut and some others are unfortunately few and far between. Wildcat coach isn't sticking up for his team. There is no need to do so. He's sticking up for himself on an anonymous blog against people who get great pleasure from busting his chops. Coach, your posting on here only detracts from your team's accomplishments on the field. Why can't you stop posting?
a Quote from an article."theparents of younger playersmustremember that the time forplayer development is now.More and more coaches are beginning to stand out inthe soccer world,andit is now possible to identifythose whotruly work to make players better, not just those whoplug physicallygifted athletes into ashortcut system for the sake of winning games. Choose your club program based onwhichcoach hasadevelopment plan for your child, onethat focuses onthe four areas mentioned above (physical, mental,technical andtactical)"
Hey 10:17 even if you are right that GS is only used for determining brackets and leagues that that is very "meaningful" as getting into higher or top flight is very important and will become even more important in another year for exposure.No one is saying it actually ranks the teams in order of their exact ranking across the country.
It is important for the non-ecnl teams. I think the Wildcats coach is doing what he should be doing for his girls. Getting them exposure. Got to applaud him for that. Other non-ecnl teams should be doing the same.
10:57am - You ever consider that Maybe wildcats also get "great pleasure" from sticking it back in their haters faces when they prove wrong those who consistently come on here and predict they will be "obliterated", "smoked" "go 0 and 3 or I'll eat my hat" in top flight(remember that one last summer?) of major tournaments. I think they are having more fun "bustin their chops" right back.
GS ranking, so if we look at PAE the mighty PF club has dropped to #6. Last yr they were beating everyone , this yr having some issues. If Tourneys look at gotsoccer to rank teams then this wouldnt be good for PF , correct? At next years Jeff Cup if the 5 teams from PAE apply to play along with PF then they all should be in a higher bracket the PF due to GS point system, correct? Will this happen NO. PF will be in a higher bracket all because of the ECNL moniker . Does everyone agree with this? If so then GS doesnt mean anything.
We're #1...We're #1!
Our kids are u13 this going on u14 next year.I'm going to start this talk and tie into recent GS talks.While I'm happy for NJ wildcats and their current #1 ranking. We can call it what we want, but they had to be successful to accumulate the points, they don't handout points for just showing up.I'm going to ask this question, When is it to early to start visiting schools and reaching out to schools to let them know they are on your kid's radar so they can start paying attention.If the grades are good most of our kids will get sometype of an Academic Scholarship to help out a little with tuition. SOme type of help would be helpful with an athletic scholarship as well (no a must but would help). So if our kids are playing premier soccer I think it'sfair to say they are in the conversation to play College Soccer. I know most of the tops schools ask if your kid is on an ECNL team or does ODP. Most of the others just ask about HS and Club teams/coaches and ask for referal letters.So, If your kid's coach has connections and applies to the big tournaments where most of these schools send people anyway. I think that's just as important regardless of your flight. So while GS can get them into a top flight - does that really matter? I guess it matters to the teams that don't have the connections to open doors.For the other kids that are with ECNL clubs but not on the ECNL team, I know NPL has showcase events in FL & CA plus a National Final. So they have their opportunities as well in addition to these other major tournaments. But is it better to be on an ECNL team like CFC Dleco or FC Bucks instead of PF NPL?How many kids actually get identified at these tournaments that were not on the college's radar?
10:57by the way I agree with you on ignorant post from 11:32pm claiming only UNC has a jersey girl on roster among top teams.that certainly wasn't from me as I watched Jersey girl who is senior All-American at UVA many times in high school as she is a local product.Great Player!Just remember there are many posers/Trolls out there with their own agenda who will stoop to anything to sow their evil.It's a mistake to think you can always identify who is posting on an anonymous blog like this.
11:32PM, you should be proud that you have a girl on UNC, but let's be fair about college soccer rosters. Do yourself a favor and explore the entire rosters of the entire top 25. Top 50. Tell me the percentage of players that come from ECNL clubs vs Non ECNL clubs. There's no argument. There's no manipulation of details. It's where they predominantly recruit from.
1:13pm, you make a legitimate point. A quick search shows only 67 u18 teams in NJ that currently have any GS points, compared to 217 u13 teams. And PDA and MF make up 8 of the top 19 spots at u18. All the same, there are still other non-ecnl teams competing that don't seem to be sending any girls to substantial DI or DIII programs. We're currently at a non-ecnl club and I'll admit that's a concern for me.
I love the people who are now basically be-clowning themselves on this blog by arguing that GS rankings don't matter , when 6 months ago, if their kids' teams were listed in top tier, they were blowing trumpets of glory like Roman army to let everyone know. Now that they've been displaced, it doesn't matter. Hope you take off the clown paint in six months (or six days) when rankings change and your kids team may reappear.Kudos to all top 5 in NJ, in Region, and in Country. You earned your place in rankings, and should be proud.For those of you who haven't yet earned your place, or have been displaced, keep plugging away and practicing. Might just get there.
Yes "keep plugging away and practicing. Might just get there."Although there is nowhere meaningful. GS means nothing.
2:32: "There" is nowhere meaningful, unless you digest the reality that WINNING gets you "there". Using your logic, winning means nothing. If that's the case, have your kid play Rec soccer - everybody gets trophies because their are no losers. Not a great lesson for life, but your kid can feel special.
Nearing 5K postTake the U13 girls discussion to the u13 boys board
Over and out!
So you are saying that winning is the only thing. Another great lesson.At U13 winning doesn't mean anything. Learning and growing mean much more then winning. If you are learning and growing at U13 you will learn to lose and win some. Hopefully when you hit U15 or older you will win more then you lose.
NY Birmingham champion at MAPS cup going 4-0 for the weekend.PA Crew Academy had a rough weekend vs NJ teams (losing to NJ Rush in bracket play and tying Boca in semifinals with one goal being a PK)And MD Harford Thunder only pulls off one win all weekend (losing to NJ Rush/PA Crew and only defeating Mercer Spurs) not even advancing to semis.
Eastern Development League - NPL DivisionThe EDL has updated the NPL site and we can now talkabout the favorites to represent the league in INdiana.Jersey United is the only club team missing from U13.Will NJ Rush and NJCSA use players from all their EDP teamsto make a super team like the Pre-ECNL teams?Would that be enough to take points away from NJ Wildcats and stopthem from adding another title to their 2014/2015 shelf.NJ Wildcats are the favorites to meet TSF in the North/South final to represent the league in INDIANA. Although the North is not a sure ting the Albany Alleycats and Smithtown might be able to add some pressure in the North while LVU, NJCSA & NJ Rush are wildcards in the south. Prediction: NJ Wildcats win league just to good and to muchto handle for this flight if teams remain unchanged in the Spring of 2015.Girls U13 NorthALLEYCATS U13 GIRLS ELITE FC COPA ACADEMY LIMA NJ STALLIONS 13 SMITHTOWN STARSTSF ACADEMY 01/02 Girls U13 SouthLEHIGH VALLEY UNITED 01MARYLAND RUSH RUSH 01GNJ RUSH 13GNJ WILDCATS AVERBUCHNJCSA 13GSOUTH JERSEY ELITE BARONS '01 2015 NPL Finals Qualified Teams:FC Portland Academy Pre ECNL 01 (OR #1) Mapple Valley Premier Marauders Navy 01 (WA #14)Region 1 NPL Fall ChampionsNew York Soccer Club NPL-01NEFC ELITE U13 GIRLSPRINCE WILLIAM SOCCER U13GPDA North 01 NPLPre-ECNL flight still up for grabs.NJ/NYE most hated teams play in the most hated flight.
8:28 NJ Rush did well to advance to the finals getting by the PAW#2 and MD#3 teams in bracket play. Does the club combine players from their 2 NJ State Cup Final 4 teams that both lost to Medford? This club has flown under the radar and might just surprise. NJCSA is my other sleeper club come spring. This club also had 2 teams play well in the fall, do they combine their EDP D1 North and South teams? Could also be a very nice surprise for the Spring.
Spring Preview:New England Premier League21 (7) NEFC ELITE U13 GIRLS16 (7) OAKWOOD SC12 (7) SEACOAST UNITED ELITE - DR- 01/0210 (7) BAYSIDE FC BOLTS NPL RED 01/0210 (7) YANKEE UNITED F.C. BLAST NPL-01 BLUE 6 (7) SYRACUSE DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY SDA U13G4 (7) AZTEC SOCCER GIRLS 01 BLACK2 (7) GPS-MA NPL I thought this would be a 4 team race to Indiana, with a teamfrom 4 different states fighting it out. But after the smokecleared it was Just NEFC and Oakwood. NEFC controls own destiny and can afford one slip in the spring. Oakwood is hoping to takecare of business vs NEFC in the Spring and get a little revengefor the 3-1 loss at home in the fall. For them it's only domino thatneeds to fall. They also need Seacoast or Bayside to play spoiler vs NEFCor a little help from their CT sisters from Yankee United.
Spring Preview:Virginia NPL24 (9) PRINCE WILLIAM SOCCER U13G 22 (9) VIRGINIA RUSH ATHLETIC CLUB U13G 22 (9) FC VIRGINIA U13G 14 (9) NORTHERN VA SOCCER CLUB U13G 11 (8) RICHMOND KICKERS U13G 10 (9) CHESAPEAKE UNITED SOCCER CLUB U13G 9 (9) RICHMOND STRIKERS SOCCER CLUB U13G6 (8) ANNANDALE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB U13G 4 (9) CHURCHLAND SOCCER U13G2 99) CHESTERFIELD UNITED FC U13GScore Not Reported:RICHMOND KICKERS U13GANNANDALE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB U13GPWSI has a 2 pt edge going into the Spring, not a lot ofwiggle room. Virginia Rush and FC Virginia are right thereand are expected to keep the pressure on. They need to dobetter than they did in the fall as PWSI won 2-0 and 3-0vs both slipping to only NVSA. Is NVSA the same team as theSuper Y Majestics from NVA? NVSA can play big time spoiler in the Spring.
Spring Preview:New York Club Soccer League - NPL Division 17 (7) New York Soccer Club NPL-0115 (7) STA NPL-0111 (7) Manhattan Soccer Club NPL-0110 (7) Intense Soccer Academy NPL-019 (6) NJ Crush FC NPL-016 (6) Massapequa Soccer Club NPL-016 (7) Quickstrike FC NPL-010 (7) New York Rush NPL-01ScoreNot reported:NJ Crush FC NPL-01Massapequa Soccer Club NPL-01Going into the fall,i think we all expected this to be a4 team race between NYSC, STA, NJ Crush & ISA. I think wewere all surprised how well Manhattan and Massapequa playedand their role in determining the champion. NYSC came over fromEDP to play in this NPL and has done well by beating STA & ISA.but only got 1 point vs NJ Crush and 1 point vs Massapequa. STA may have overloaded their fall schedule causing them to be 2 pointsbehind NYSC going into the spring. The loss to Manhattan hurt thembig time. NJ Crush was predicted to take a few steps back and itlooks like the people predicting knew something we didn't. I didn'texpect to see a huge fall. So going into the spring it will be NYSCand STA battling all the way with Nj Crush, ISA and Manhattan in the picture. I want to add Massapequa but as of this post their resulthas not been updated vs NJ crush a loss just about cripples their chanceswhile a win keeps their Indian dream alive.
Crush over Massapequa 2-1If Crush wins all 7 games in the spring (need to take the first one, bs ISA then build steam from there) NYSC needs to go 6-0 in their other matches to fend off Crush,Not forgetting STA, dont worry. First game of the spring vs NYSC will be key.Three horse race, yes.
Spring PreviewNortheast Girls NPLU13 NPL Girls29 (11) PDA North 01 NP27 (11) Match Fit Academy 01 NPL27 (11) PDA South 01 NPL 26 (11) Connecticut FC 01 NPL16 (11) Penn Fusion SA 01 NPL13 (11) Boston Breakers Academy 01 NPL 13 (10) FSA FC 01 NPL 10 (11) FC Stars of Mass 01 NPL 6 (11) Albertson SC 01 NPL6 (10) World Class FC 01 NPL5 (11) FC Bucks 01 NPL5 (11) Continental FC 01 NPLScore Not Reported:World Class FC 01 NPLFSA FC 01 NPLGoing into the fall,i think every expert on this board would havesaid this league belonged to PDA South aka Ajax or MF NPL aka NJX.No one expected PDA North aka Dragons and CFC NPL aka Arsenal do be players.Penn Fusion, Boston, FSA and FC Stars are the 2nd tier in the leagueand unfortunately have no shot at Indiana in 2015. The league turned intoa 4 team race and with a playoff to determine the champion, nothing on the linecome spring but seeding. While the Fall Champion PDA North scored the most goalstheir defense is not up to par while they gave up only 2 goals vs the top they gave up 8vs the middle and 3 vs the bottom which spells smoke and mirrors. CFC started lateand went 8 games without giving up a goal then they played the 2 PDA teams and gave up 7.PDA South woke up and thrashed CFC to put them tied with MF NPL who based on the resultswas the strongest team in the league. Scored 35 goals good for 2nd 1 behind 1st andonly gave up 3 goals in 11 games. Anyones guess how the seeding go down between the top4,but the Post season looks to be a great one.
Thank you 9:45
Thanks NPL guy, good stuff, I appreciate!
Spring Preview:Northeast Girls NPLU13 Pre-ECNL26 (10) PDA 01 U13 Pre-ECNL25 (10) East Meadow SC 01 U13 Pre-ECNL23 (11) Match Fit Academy 01 U13 Pre-ECNL 21 (11) Boston Breakers Academy 01 U13 Pre-ECNL 20 (11) FC Stars of Mass 01 U13 Pre-ECNL18 (11) Penn Fusion SA 01 U13 Pre-ECNL 16 (11) Connecticut FC 01 U13 Pre-ECNL11 (11) FSA FC 01 U13 Pre-ECNL 11 (11) World Class FC 01 U13 Pre-ECNL 10 (11) Albertson SC 01 U13 Pre-ECNL3 (11) Continental FC 01 U13 Pre-ECNL 3 (11) FC Bucks 01 U13 Pre-ECNL Score Not Reported:East Meadow SC 01 U13 Pre-ECNLPDA 01 U13 Pre-ECNLIn the league everyone hates - the pre-ECNL flight in the NorthEast NPL was epic.the NJ and NYE most hated teams will battle in December for the Fall ChampionshipWhile the other NJ team everyone hates MF locked down 3rdwith the MAteams very much in the picture followed by PennFusion and CFC. People knock the league becasue of thebottom 3 teamsin the league and their goal differential. I say when FSA and WC are in8th & 9th place you better begood or you will catch a few beatings along the way.If GS is abletoidentify the ECNL teams this flight will carry a bunch of points.But I think because PDA, EM, CFC, WC did not identify their ECNL teams the league willnot max out at 10,000 GS points. Just using as a sample http://usyouthsoccerrankings.com/They were able to give MF credit for their Pre-ECNL and NPL gameswhilethe PDA teams did not get credit. Just shows why GS, Top Drawer, NSRand the above can never get it right unless everyone does things the same way goodluck. But that's why we have so much fun on this board. Rank Team Score1 NJ WILDCATS AVERBUCH  33.482 MATCH FIT ACADEMY FC PRE ECNL  33.463 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY STORM  33.464 MATCH FIT ACADEMY FC NPL  33.055 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY AJAX  33.006 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY DRAGONS  32.357 MORRIS UNITED SA STA NPL  32.278 NJ CRUSH FC TSUNAMI  32.149 NJ CRUSH FC NPL  31.6810 NJCSA GALAXY  31.66
Nice breakdown. Showing the pre ecnl and ne npl shows a nice strength on schedule as each league has 4-5 very strong teams. How do you factor strength of schedule in to your overall rankings?
10:42 not my rankings,just another website. It is flawed as well but it's actually pretty cool.If they can't identify a team it will be listed multiple times like NJ Crush.Also as I said MF Pre-ECNL and NPL teams have their North East girls NPl results included while PDA does not.You can see by the NYE rankings. The same team is 1 and 2. They don't know Hotshotz are the pre-ECNL - how could they. 1 EAST MEADOW SC PRE ECNL  34.322 EAST MEADOW SC HOTSHOTZ  33.513 MANHATTAN WORLD CLASS FC CHARLTON  32.934 FC WESTCHESTER  32.585 LONG ISLAND ROUGH RIDERS BLUE  32.586 LONG ISLAND ROUGH RIDERS  32.527 ATLETICO FC  32.048 NEW YORK RUSH PATRIOTS  31.879 NEW YORK SC  31.7410 ALBERTSON SC PRE ECNL  31.65I think they doe an okay jobhttp://usyouthsoccerrankings.com/
I recently received an e-mail that stated that a team was ranked very high in the country and it went on to highlight a conversation video with the coach. The coach talked about all the hard work that his team put in and was proud of this accomplishment. He also talked about a roster of 15 and highlighted the fact that all his girls are from the same area which is what made his club a bit different than the big academies.This e-mail was obviously sent out for marketing purposes. It not only came to me but also several of the parents that I know, some of which, will be looking for new teams in the spring and fall.In my discussion with some of the parents, a conversation ensued regarding - how do you choose your next club?A couple (two to be exact) put significant value on the rankings of the team.They immediately surmised that a high GS ranking was justification enough to bring their kids to try-outs.Their kids have considerable talent but unfortunately their parents youth soccer acumen is in the development stage.Their decision making for their daughters May be dictated significantly by marketing material. It occurred to me that a lot of parents are in the same boat.So i thought maybe we as a Board can do some good and help parents by giving them some information on what to look for when deciding which team is right for their daughter.How do we cut through the marketing material to determine the best fit for our daughters?Let me be clear, I have no opinion on the club that sent me the information, the training may be incredible and right for a whole host of kids. But I askCan we give them something deeper than marketing material before they make these important decisions for their daughter.Something more than "go to to a training session and check out the training( most times this type of advice, although well meaning, means nothing to the parents, because they don't know what to look for in the first place.Also training styles and game day playing can differ significantly.Possibly 4 or 5 penetrating questions that would be easy to ask and discern for even the most novice of soccer parents.-Soccer Nut-
They did an okay job on NYE?hahahahahahahahahahahaha (I am still laughing but my hands got tired writing) FC Westchester #4, Rush Patriots #8??
NUTIts only a tryoutParents arent locking into anything based on the marketing
Now....re: said marketing:Is this considered POACHING?Should a team's roster be getting e-mails from a competing club during a season, long before tryout dates?
Poaching is truly in the eye of the beholder. If you’re not happy where you are at, its natural to want to see another team, whether you leave for said them is another matter altogether. Nothing wrong in my opinion on training with another team, just to see how your daughter interacts, and if she can compete with the other girls. At our club, anyone can come for a few sessions, but I can tell immediately if she has any chance to roster with us, and she would have to be exceptional, really outstanding to even be considered, and there simply aren’t that many girls of that quality available mid-season.
NUT, how did you get on their email marketing distribution list if you hadn't already been involved with or inquired about the club? Other clubs aren't selling their distro lists to Wildcats, I'm sure. And don't dance around it and try to be subtle. Clearly anyone who's on this board knows who you're talking about. So you can say you don't have any opinion of the club, but I suspect you're being somewhat dishonest about something.
Regarding the newly posted EDL brackets for the Spring, the NJ Stallions still don't have a u13 team, and the link for them in the schedule takes you to a blank GS page. So will they be pushing a u12 team up? Will they be throwing a team together over the winter? Or will there be even one less team in the EDL North division, weakening it even further now? Would a South division team get moved to balance the divisions out at 5 and 5?
12:07 how do you expect them to get it right? EM Pre-ECNL and EM HotShotz, to an outsider is this the same team?They are trying to put something out that's is better than GS. Couldn't find the logic, but whatever it's just another source that I wanted to share.
12:24I am not going to get into a conversation on the merits of any club. Especially the ones that I know nothing about. I can assure you, , I do not know much about the team, that everyone seems to have an opinion on , one way or another.Nor do I, or would I put any value in any parent knocking another team for gratitudes purposes on this board.I receive so much marketing materials from different teams. Some I have signed up for, some, I am not sure how I am on their e-mail distribution list. I assume others may be in the same boat.But I do indeed understand the sensitivity of the matter and why you may ask the question.-Soccer Nut-
If you are thinking about moving your daughter to a different club some of the things I would look at are below:How the teams plays.How many girls does the team carry? How many teams do they have at that age group?What are the girls like that play your daughters position?What league does the team play in and how do they do in the league.What tourneys does the team play in?If your daughter wants to play in soccer in college what is the clubs track record for putting players on college teams?Ask around about what the coach is like?Is there an asst coach? How many fields does the club own or use?There are so many questions but I would never look to see what the team is ranked. Maybe they are not that high and your daughter will make the difference. I think you have to do research on your own and decide what is best for your daughter. You know your daughter best.
the interview was part of the clubs monthly newsletter.It is also on their website and facebook page.It was not sent separately to anyone.If you wish you can remove yourself from the mailing list for the club newsletter.
10:12, Can't put much into that as a source, just seeing Wildcats at #59 loses all credibility.
2:13 I don't argue that but they aren't claiming the rankings are right they are saying if NJ WILDCATS AVERBUCH  33.48NJCSA GALAXY  31.66NJ Wildcats should win this game by 1.82. The closer to zero is a coin flip game. So when these teams played the score was10/18/2014 NJSCA GALAXY (NJ) 1-0The last tournament they playedMARYLAND UNITED FC ECNL  33.05PENN FUSION SA PRE ECNL  33.16FC VIRGINIA PRE ECNL  34.25They should have had 2 coin flip games and a loss to FC Virginia.Make what you will of the rankings, the site was designed more to compare teams.
Not sure I like it - but not that far off - of course if they have a team in their database multiple times you are not going to get an accurate reading - but at first glance - not bad when looking at NJ - basically their 1-5 is a coin flip game either team can win at any time- pretty much what this board has been saying.However, building on this wildcats should beat crush by almost 2 goals if we went by this site they beat NJ CRUSH FC TSUNAMI (NJ) 3-1 at NCS. Just another spin on the same conversation
the Gs rankings are not perfect, but at least they are objective and transparent.these other rankings are subjective and each age group is ranked by a coach or a club official in that age group(who else would know enough about the teams in a specific age group to rank them), while this might seem OK the reality has always been it lends itself to back room bargains and I'll scratch your back if you scratch mine deals between clubs.so there is no objective measure to insure the rankings were not influenced in any way.GS is the closest thing we have at this time to an objective rankings system with no influence peddling or shady deals behind the scenes.Just like college football right now, there will always be differences of opinion on rankings, but at least they are objective in GS.
GS rankings only calculates how many Got Soccer points a team has.It's really that simple. It is no where near an accurate measure of how goos or bad a team is.
4:12 true but at least you have to earn the points and can choose to enter the events that will result in points earned based on the points the other teams in the vents/league/tournament bring to the table.Not exact certainly, but the best and most objective we have at this point.Don't see how you can have an exact, objective system as is true with all rankings.
You really don't earn the points all the time with GS. Teams in certain leagues, that give out points to lure teams into that league, have inflated points. So when you beat those average teams with inflated points, you earn inflated points. The other rankings take into affect who these teams actually beat based on who they have beaten to determine the rankings. Leagues cannot affect that by giving out meaningless points. Again, not perfect, but closer to reality than GS.
Has anybody heard of any teams (in or out of NJ) planning to participate in Region 1's Champions League this Spring? Wouldn't think the pre-ECNL and NPL teams would do it but I'm wandering who that leaves.
I know wildcats are interested.
Who qualifies for Region 1 League?
not true @840, wildcats are looking at other options that are more attractive. region 1 champions league is not one.
That league must not give out enough GS points......
Some movement in GS rankings over the last week as end of season tournament results post.However, it still looks like some teams have points from EDP fall 2013. When do those falloff? GS indicates next to the event that it is ranked through June 2015 which doesn't make much sense.
EDP gaming the system for their own benefit. Makes the teams in EDP look stronger because of the extra GS points. It may fool some tournaments however.
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