The talent will be diluted don't fool yourself. There will be more teams in the DA. Talent will be spread thin. A college coach has already told my daughter they are not sure what is going to happen or how they, college coaches, are going to interact with the DA's. He told my daughter they are worried. This is a coach from a P5 conference.
Does anyone know how many more rounds of clubs are being accepted by USSF? I'm estimating at least 75-90 clubs.
I agree talent will be spread instead of stock piled on a bench. Agreed.More elite players will play more minutes and be allowed to develop. Nothing wrong with having options.College coaches are super happy don't fool your self. Forget our kids they are to old to benefit. take U13 these girls will practice 2 more times a week with quality trainers and top notch talent. In 3 years they will be more advanced then our kids and be the development academy for our NT teams. Club soccer stops at U19 then the kids play College Soccer. Why do you think College soccer is going to a fall/spring schedule? Think big picture - everybody wins and most of the parents are still going to pay.4:02 I think over 1004:42 How is the GDA different than the ECNL? GDA trains 2 more times a week with A & B licensed coaches and no HS soccer and this scares college coaches? I think this scares ECNL parents as they will now be paying for their kid an the scholarships.Girls ECNL will adopt the boys model and rebrandThe ENPL will include both member clubs and member leagues (NPLs), providing club- and team-based entry into the competition. Member clubs will qualify teams into the ENPL in all five age groups each year, while member NPLs will qualify individual teams in all age groups based on performance in their respective NPLs the prior season.This will be their attempt squash the USYSA and grow the NPLs to have all the top teams in the nation.
Maybe ECNL taking a different approach (just read this)After initiating this review process, and in discussions with leadership of top performing clubs, the ECNL has approved the membership of the below listed clubs at this time, and each club has re-affirmed its membership in the ECNL in both the 2016-17 and 2017-18 seasons. The ECNL will continue to review other clubs’ eligibility for membership.
What happens to the HS girls playing on scholarship to attend private schools ?
LOL. Nice of US soccer to pay the refs fees wich run about $3 per kid per game or $100 per year. With the DA your training costs are 2X. I have seen the cost for the DA projected at 6K per player. Scholarships will be both need and talent based, but 60-80% of players will pay the full freight. In 3 years the DA will be great, next year the ECNL teams will still be better. Also, unlike the ECNL players will be moved off teams when warranted by skill or commitment.
5:23 - I had read that too. It looks like some clubs that take the DA, ECNL will still allow in the league. It dooesnt look like every ECNL team that took the DA. I did notice in the 1st group listed by ECNL, PDA and Stars were the only 2 clubs in our area listed. A Club like PF, that was listed on the 1st round of DA, ECNL did't list right away. There is 2 other ECNL clubs in philly, CFC and Bucks. If PF only has the DA, then the girls that do not make or want the DA but want to play top soccer will move to CFC and Bucks. That will help both of those clubs. If all the chips fall that way. Same in NJ, it could really hurt MF if they only get the DA and not back in ECNL.There is still a lot of time left in this chess game between US Soccer and ECNL. http://www.eliteclubsnationalleague.com/home/920431.html
US Club Nationals Super GroupAtletico (NYE)FC Boston Scorpions (Mass)Lonestar Red (TX)NJ Wildcats (NJ)Pittsburgh Riverhounds (PA)Samba (MN)Seacoast United (NH)STA (NJ)Premier GroupFC Stars United (NH)Fusion (MN)Hawaii Rush (HI)NEFC Premiere South (MA)Three Rivers Black (WA)GPS ME Phoenix (AZ)
5:27They play HS, for nowLater - the player/family needs to make a choice, I'd think.Interesting question
ECNL did exactly what the DA did list the top clubs to encourage other to recommit.
NSCAA launches Showcase Integrity Program to combat fraudThrough the Showcase Integrity Program, college coaches can report instances when and where showcase events are using their name or school name without approval. The NSCAA will then take steps, up to and including legal action, to have the showcase remove that information. This service is available starting immediately to NSCAA College Services members, an institutional membership that gives men’s and women’s college soccer programs a range of benefits including legislative support, specialized national awards, national rankings, and other services.
Does anyone have any insight (other than they can) on why you have to pay to see your kid play in the Disney Showcase? It's not cheap to go and then they bang you for ticket $ to watch your kid play just for fun?! Pretty much has sealed my decision that our family not attend.
That sure rubs me the wrong way. Should be given a family pass - at least one. It's called captive audience and a bit of price gauging...ba$tard$.
It's obnoxious that you have to pay , my guess is that it helps pay for field maintenance
I went to the first Disney Showcase 16 years ago.Even then it was $9. for each member of the family to attend. Even young children had to pay.
Wildwood does it also for futsal.Youth sports is all about the money and you guys had beef with my country before club comment but it's okay for everybody to have their hand in the cookie jar.I call out the ECNL for not checking with the USSF before they set their postseason schedule during a world cup year and I'm what's wrong with youth sports. Not the coach who goes on a crazy rant even though his ECNL is to blame. Remember the ECNL answers to the USSF not the other way around.He tried to paint the picture that it was more important to play for a league title than a chance to represent your country in a world cup. yeah i'm the crazy one for not agreeing with the article and calling him out
Its about Money and Power.The USSF has done almost nothing to demand respect from the youth soccer world. So I will continue to have issue with Country before Club.The USSF are pseudo govt supported entity run by a bunch of boozo's. They kept making mistake after mistake. Now that the second batch of GDA teams was announced, its quite obvious that the DA will be more watered down than the current ECNL. They have let in some very questionable team in California.... and then letting in World Class and Match Fit is quite questionable as well. There are several other ways USSF could have implement and elite program and their basic premise is misguided.Look at the working conditions of the NWSL... they are dismal. Again, this is supported/run by the USSF. Throw in the birth year fiasco. Sure the top end kids will all be fine. But it is really sad the number of mid or lower level players than have been left without a team and are deciding to quit soccer altogether.
Why would you throw MFA and World Class together? For the most part the World Class teams have been non competitive in the ECNL. MFA on the other hand is always competitive and I believe has the 3rd most wins since they joined after PDA and Stars.
7:43 do you have a ting against authority? Seems to be popular these days.USSF doesn't need respect they are the federation that sets the rules when it comes to soccer in the USA. They don't need to ask for permission to do anything. Why do you keep saying water downed when more kids are included and will have an opportunity to be seen and evaluated?The DA would have been implemented earlier, remember the MLS is only 20 years old and the DA is only 7. Please say you are not calling the DA a mistake. The USSF pays the WNT salaries not the NWSL owners - the owners pay $6,000 to the other players. How is the USSF to blame that Sky Blue gets less than 2,000 fans per game and the Independence are no longer around?They are trying to keep a pro league for the women to play and you blame them? If they didn't pay and they don't have to do you still think the NWSL would be around or would we have another WPS?The world uses Birth year as does ODP and Super Y so this is not a new concept in the states. If you read this blog many posters said that players will stop playing by U16 and to enjoy your kid's instead of results but now we blame the USSF for this also.I like what they are doing maybe I stand alone on this1. College soccer will be played in the Fall and Spring instead of just the fall thanks to USSF to allow for further development.2. Changed player registration to birth year.3. Will run the top league for youth soccer for both boys and girls before they hand off to college4. And my favorite because of more teams and spreading the talent more players and many more minutes to go around.5. no re-entryThe USSF or our NTs should always come before any club like PF/PDA/MF/Real Colorado.
Shout out to PA's North Union United Wave representing Region I this weekend in the USYS National Presidents Cup championship in Tulsa. The Presidents Cup offers teams from smaller clubs or less intense programs the challenge of experiencing different types of play by competing from state to regional to national levels. The Presidents Cup provides teams with a progressive, competitive experience that highlights competition, camaraderie and community.
7:43 you said Now that the second batch of GDA teams was announced, its quite obvious that the DA will be more watered down than the current ECNL. The math doesn't add up to support your comment it's the opposite, which should make you happy but it won't because this will force top players to look for starting positions instead of sitting on a benchto provide depth. Also with no re-entry this will not water down the league just provide more quality minutes for the top players which will improve the college game and provide more polished players for our NTs as they will have an entire season to train and improve while going to collge instead of playing all their games with little training in 3 months.Currentlyone age group U14 ECNL 75 clubsortwo age groups U14/U15 ECNL 150 teamsor1650 starting players two age groups------------------------------BDAcurrently 97 clubsor1067 starting players
In NJ more clubs will be added.ECNL PDA/MF = 66 starting players currently U13/U14/U15GDA PDA/MF = 22 starting players 02/01
NYCSL Girl NPL Clubs2016/20171. Brentwood SC (NY)2. Manhattan SC (NY)3. Massapequa SC (NY)4. New York SC (NY)5. NJ Crush (NJ)6. NJ Stallions (NJ)7. Princeton SA (NJ) 8. Quickstrike FC (NY)9. STA (NJ)10. SUSA (NY)No MoreMatchFit and NY RushChampions.2014/2015U13 - STA (NJ)2015/2016U14 - Massapequa SC (NY)
2016 NPL Finals - U14 Girl5 NEFC Elite0 Space City FC1 FC Virginia United Elite 011 Davis Legacy 02
2 Massapequa SC Lil' Rowdies0 BRSC 02 Girls Black3 FC Florida 01/02 Elite Blue-NPL2 LVU 01 Girls
1 PDA South 01 NPL0 EGA Maroon 01 020 Claremont Stars SC Stars 015 Lonestars 02G Red SA
Day 2 previewI don't think anyone is expecting NEFC to slip in group play. The PDA south vs Lonestars is a huge game and can go along way to determine the wildcard.Florida and Massapequa with wins might clinch spots depending on the results in other games.
Looks like the Region 1 area teams had a good showing today. NEFCVAMassapequaPDA SouthThe only blemish was the 3-2 loss by the EDP runner up LVU.
And LVU will bow again to Massapequa in the morning.PA teams overrated
What happened to the Wildcats? I thought they were going to Colorado?
Across all 6 age groups, no local teams lost. Goal diff was lopsided. Very impressive.
Missed LVU. Only loss in like 17 games.
Wildcats are going next weekend to Colorado for National Cup. They couldn't go 2 weeks in a row so they passed on going to NPL Finals again this year and LVU, who was their runner-up in NPL Finals went in their place this weekend.
Wildcats will be National Champions this year I predict. Or at least runner up.
The NPL National Cup is not a national championship, you are delusional. Wildcats coach took a look at the NPL finals line-up and realized that NEFC was there, no point in going to Aurora to loose.
10:31 I was curious about their selection. They picked a crazy one that sends certain states to the finals and others to Regionals to play any team that pays instead of defending their league. I guess it shows how much they believe in EDP.I would have thought they would go back to the NPL finals and try to get out of the group this year.To each their own. I agree I would put the USC national Cup at the same level as USYSA President's cup. Sorry. USC doesn't send their best teams like USYSA does.
3 BRSC 02 Girls Black6 FC Florida 01/02 Elite Blue-NPL4 LVU 01 Girls0 Massapequa SC Lil' Rowdies---------------------------------------U14Flight B FC Florida 01/02 Elite Blue-NPL 6pts +4Flight A NEFC Elite 3pts +5Flight C Lonestars 02G Red SA 3pts +5WC LVU 01 Girls 3pts +3Still Alive:Massapequa SC Lil' Rowdies 3pts -2Eliminated:BRSC 02 Girls Black 0pts -5
What about PDA South?
Or maybe WC had 2 players up in Rhode Island at ODP Regional ID Camp this week and also the extra week of rest will hopefully allow one of their injured players to return by next week. But hey it's more fun to bash.
10:55 care to retract your post? Maybe they posted your entry on the LVU locker room wall before the game :)
What takes precedence NPL nationals or ODP regional camp?
2016 NPL Finals - U14 GirlsFlight A Pts W T L GD5 GF5 GANEFC Elite 3 1 0 0 5 5 0FC Virginia United Elite 1 0 1 0 0 1 1Davis Legacy 02 1 0 1 0 0 1 1Space City FC 0 0 0 1 -5 0 5Flight B. Pts W T L GD5 GF5 GAFC Florida 01/02 Elite Blue-NPL 6 2 0 0 4 8 5LVU 01 Girls 3 1 0 1 3 6 3Massapequa SC Lil' Rowdies 3 1 0 1 -2 2 4BRSC 02 Girls Black 0 0 0 2 -5 3 8Flight C. Pts W T L GD5 GF5 GAPDA South 01 NPL 6 2 0 0 2 3 1Lonestars 02G Red SA 3 1 0 1 4 6 2EGA Maroon 01 02 3 1 0 1 1 2 1Claremont Stars SC Stars 01 0 0 0 2 -7 0 7Still pending 2 A bracket games
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1 Lonestars 02G Red SA2 PDA South 01 NPL 2 EGA Maroon 01 020 Claremont Stars SC Stars 01----------------------------------------U141. FC Florida 01/02 Elite Blue-NPL 6pts +42. PDA South 01 NPL 6 pts +23. NEFC Elite 3pts +54. Lonestars 02G Red SA 3 pts +4Still Alive:LVU 01 Girls 3pts +3EGA Maroon 01 02 3pts +1Massapequa SC Lil' Rowdies 3pts -2Eliminated:BRSC 02 Girls Black 0pts -5Claremont Stars SC Stars 01 0pts -7
0 Davis Legacy 027 NEFC Elite2 Space City FC0 FC Virginia United Elite 01Going into day 31. NEFC (6pts +10)2. FC Florida (6pts +4)3. PDA South (6pts +2)4. Lonestars (3pts +4)still alive5. LVU (3pts +3)6. EGA Maroon (3pts +1)7. Massapequa (3pts -2)8. Space City (3pts -3)
Just to recap; major summer Tournaments since you love the posts so much.ECNL FINAL 41. So Cal Blues SC2. Ohio Premier3. Eagles Soccer Club4. Concorde FireUSYSA Region1 FINAL 41. BRYC 01 Elite2. South Shore Select Elite3. Empire United Soccer Academy - Rochester4. NJCSA EliteNPL Finals - FINAL 184.108.40.206.USYSA National Championships220.127.116.11.US Club National Cup18.104.22.168.
NPL Final 41. NEFC2. PDA South3. FC FL4. LVU3 out of Region 1 Not bad
Interesting. Did PDA and LVU bring 3 guest players? How was the competition? Seeing how little resistance NEFC had, it seems they had an easy bracket to advance through. They would also seem to be the favorites and they are likely well rested.
They are the favorites because they are by FAR the best team.If they lose it will be to FLA
Jersey showing proud at ODP Region 1 camp. 7 Jersey girls made the team including two of the four keepers! Go Jersey!
9:16, great job NJ. although only one girl made team, other 6 made pool.
^^Oh, and go NY!
Pool or team does it really matter and NY sucks by the way!
ODP team and Pool for what exactly? Not familiar with ODP. Where exactly can it take you?
Is there a link to team/pool for region one?
9 NEFC Elite1 LVU 01 Girls2 PDA South 01 NPL3 FC Florida 01/02 Elite Blue-NPL
NEFC looks invincible. FL might be spent after the semi final battle that went to PKs. Hopefully they will have something left in the tank to put up a good fight, but NEFC should prevail.
Go NYSC G02, in the NPL final against NJ Rush, Go NYSC!!!
Sounds like a complete break down. We've all had at least one along the way. Can happen anywhere: Hammonton, Disney, or Colorado. Glad to see PA represented.
9-1 is a tough one to swallow. They are mowing through everyone but you would expect a better showing in the semis.
Can someone from LVU post and give some insight of what happened there? Not looking to be negative about anything, just curious, like was there a red card or something?
For 7/17, 1:24 - Here is the link to where ODP ID lists are posted:https://regioni.teamapp.com/schedule
Congrats to North Union United Wave for its Presidents Cup championship!
6:50 why not ask the guy who knew PDA South went to PKs.
Who the hell is North Union United?
6:50 hahaha, good one... did you crush baby-chickens as a child??
I haven't seen LVU play in a long time. But back in the day (2-3 years ago) they used to rely on their keeper to keep the games close and rely on the speedy forward to score all the goals. The midfield never seemed very effective. They've always been susceptible to the occasional 5-1 thumping based on whether the forward could be neutralized or not.That all being said, they should be commended for making it as far as they did. Bravo!
LVU was a substitute team. Didnt even qualifyBetter NPL teams were left home
So far the GDAs for NJ are PDA out of Bernardsville & Matchfit out of Morris Plains. Some questions:- what uniforms will be worn? - if your daughter makes team but no scholarship, dues get paid to whom?- who will talent evaluators be? - what is risk of poaching for non-PDA or non-Matchfit girls on team if they make it?
11:41 Better EDP NPL team ran scared from NEFC and a chance to play maybe one of the best teams in the country. This is just my opinion NPL better option than National Cup just look at boys ECNL the NPL champions are in not the Nation Cup qualifiers and I believe this will also be done in the Girls ECNL next season this is why SouthShore Select joined the New England NPL.11:55 for MF i would think a patch on existing uniforms for PDA I would think SkyBlue uniform. I think all the players not on scholarship are paying for the players on scholarship, coaches and other fees. The Club will evaluate their team and pick the players for their GDA team why would you ask curious? I still think NJ will get another club or 2. If you look at Boys DA 8 NY teams and 3 NJ teams, NY not as strong as NJ when it comes to girls soccer soif you look just at ECNL that's 5 clubs room for another 3. PA has 3 ECNL clubs with I believe 4 BDA clubs so at least 3 more added in PA also
Wow just saw the score posted for the NPL final. Another 9-1 result for NEFC. That is either very impressive for NEFC or there was some weak competition there. You are right, the Wildcats are better served going next week if they want to return with a trophy. I did see a bit of one of the NEFC games at the recent PDA tournament and I was impressed with them but these results are pretty crazy. I guess we know why Messi isn't playing for Argentina anymore. He must be in process of transitioning and now plays for the NEFC U14 girls team. Now they need to set up a match between NEFC and So Cal Blues and stream it live That would be a good one.Congrats NEFC.
Unbelievable run by NEFC for sure, but if Wildcats are to get a trophy they will have to beat Boston Scorpions who beat NEFC in the Mass state cup
Bottom line is Cats have to stand up now. how good are they really.
Scorpions grab any available top guest player they are allowed,Wildcats needed to do the sameWe'll see if they did
U13 NJ Rush (soon to be SJEB Rush u15) also super impressive with a 8-0 win in the finals and 23-0 throughout the entire tournament. Sorry, NYSC Guy.
THEY USED GUEST PLAYERS, THE LAWS OF REAL SOCCER MEN, DO NOT ALLOW THAT, YES THEY ARE A GREAT TEAM, WE HAD A BAD DAY, AND YES I KNOW I AM TYPING IN CAPS. THANKS!
Well according to your post you had MEN playing, if you ask me, that's worse.
NJ Rush 02 NPL won the NPL Championship. Not NJ Rush 02 Blue (soon to be SJEB Rush) and not NJ Rush 02 Grey. A collaboration between both teams to play NPL together this season. Great partnership between two strong teams.
We clobbered SJEB 5-0 last time we played them. Was their NT player playing defense that day? Oh yeah, I remember her now, my daughter was helping her off the ground several times. She is very sweet that way, helping-up national team players, she is a good egg.
2:09 you'll see that next season in the ECNL as NEFC elite aka Boston Breakers will join.NEFC beat LVU at the same PDA tournament in the Finals 4-0. LVU beat PDA Storm to advance. I don't think NPL was weak, NEFC want to repeat before going to ECNL and wanted to leave a statement which I believe they did.Interesting FC Boston Scorpions beat NEFC in MA state cup. why does US club send some state direct to Nationals and others to regionals to play and team that enters?
PDA is not out of Bernardsville and MFA is not out of Morris Plains. Those are the addresses for some admin. Not sure if PDA DA will be out of Rutgers or at PDA. MFA DA I would assume will be in Denville. They both have a year to figure that out.
next upNational Cup XV FinalsAurora, COJuly 22-25, 2016Group ASeacoast United Elite - Dr- 01/02Lonestar 03G RedASA '01G ATLETICO FCSTA NPL 01GGroup BFC Boston Scorpions u14 ECNLSamba WOODBURY SOCCER CLUBNJ Wildcats Averbuch NPLPittsburgh Riverhounds Development Academy
followed by US Youth Soccer National ChampionshipsFrisco, TXJuly 26-30, 2016Group APSG MI Gators 02 OrangeCUP Gold 01/02Florida Elite 01/02BRYC 01 EliteGroup BGreater Binghamton United FCTennessee SC 20USA Stars 02Waza FC East 02 Black
Who at SJEB is a national team player ? I thought she went to PF last year.
154 is referring to players attending the 03/02 YNT pool training in CO this past month. That is only training.The actually YNT's currently are U15,U17,U18,19,20, below is the U15 YNT that will compete at the 2016 CONCACAF. 3 from PDAU15 YNT: http://www.ussoccer.com/stories/2016/05/13/21/53/160513-u15-gnt-heads-to-the-northwest-for-third-camp-of-2016As for the U17 YNT they head to the youth world cup. 1 from PDAU17 YNT: http://www.ussoccer.com/stories/2016/07/03/13/30/160703-u17wnt-heads-to-north-carolina-to-continue-world-cup-prepAll these info can be found on USsoccer.com Keep up with the correct info.
Hey 2:11 since you want us to keep up with the correct info which link is correct?http://www.ussoccer.com/stories/2016/05/13/21/53/160513-u15-gnt-heads-to-the-northwest-for-third-camp-of-2016http://www.ussoccer.com/us-under15-girls-national-team/roster#tab-1By the roster page we have2 PDA1 WorldClass1 BRYC1 MatchFitPS. only because I want to bust your horns, is PDA Storm another club? Why is it that all the other players just say PDA but the u15s? Can you please keep us current.
And for those of you that like watching this age groupLive - 2016 Broadcast Schedule2016 US Youth Soccer National Championships | Frisco, Texas**Subject to changeTuesday, July 26 U14G CUP Gold 01/02 OH-S vs BRYC 01 Elite VA Field 6 LIVEU14G PSG MI Gators 02 Orange vs MI Florida Elite 01/02 FLU14G Greater Binghamton United FC NY-W vs USA Stars 02 CA-N Field 8 LIVE Thursday, July 28 U14G Tennessee SC 20 TN vs USA Stars 02 CA-NU14G Waza FC East 02 Black MI vs Greater Binghamton United FC NY-W SEMIFINALS - Saturday, July 30 U14G TBD TBDU14G TBD TBD FINALS - Sunday, July 31 U14G TBD TBD
For this age groupECNL national championships = 2 gamesNPL national championships = 0 gamesUSYSA national championships = 8 games Let's see how much does a game cost a team to purchase?We again can see a clear picture.USYSA has been under attack for a longtime but every time i compare they are always about the players from their ODP teams to their league pyramid and somehow they are always the gotsoccer chaser teams and their platforms stinkODP State level teams participate in tournament that advances to regional semi-finals and national finals.ODP regional teams play internationally just like the WNT teams do.Regional Leagues are equal to if not more competative than some NPLSNational league same platform as ECNL USYSA nationals might be the best national event out there eligible to ALL USYSA members if they qualify (win meaningful games).
Very lame that NPL did NOT film their finals, very lame, incredibly lame, super-really lame...
Absolutely lame. Even the semis should be streamed. It promotes the event. How difficult would it be
I have watched several USYSA live streamed games, including the regional championships and the Presidents Cup championship. Considering the players really are just kids, the play by play commentators are not bad and the video tracking of the flow of the game is actually easy to follow. They even use an instant replay, although it is not quite instantaneous. All in all, decent televised games to watch.
So was thinking about all these outside activities from the club that are available like odp and looked at region one. Only seems 1-2 girls from nj are repeat customers on the region one team. Not sure if comp got stronger or weaker. So i was hoping some peeps here could shed some light on cost time benefit to do the outside programs. So we have odp state and odp region, red bulls training and showcase teams, pdp and pdp select, nextgen and nextgen showcase, id2, national training center, nt camps. Any i missed?Would love to hear thoghts both positive and negative about these programs. Mine stopped going to odp trainings because the quality was so far below her team training. She has liked red bulls a lot except for the fact that they play with boys who dont pass to girls.
My 2 cents on ODP1. You make the state team you are eligible for region1 camp cost about $600 for 10 2 hour sessions or $30 per hour not to expensive for extra touches.2. If State team is good team can advance to DE for semi-finals and or nationals pay for just travel.3. Go to region 1 camp $600 same as most college ID camps plus transportation.4. Make region 1 team pay for just travel and might play internationally vs other NTs/foreign clubs 5. Make NT pool and put your name on the "A" list for colleges.ODP is not about the training in my opinion, more about the opportunities to showcase yourself, some states stronger than others.ODP is what you make of it, might be really great or sub-par.The one thing it is for sure is another avenue.
This comment is pretty fair. Cost is not that different from other high level training opportunities. Regional tourney costs about the same as any tourney you travel to once you figure in travel/hotel expenses (and I don't have to go if I don't want to so I can have my weekend); ODP camp is the same or cheaper than a college ID camp on a per diem basis and if she performs, will get her as much or more attention from colleges. The social aspects and confidence you get from ODP is beneficial too.If your club is putting your kid up for ID2/PDP/NTC, then you probably don't need ODP but since all of those paths are based on what the club decides, ODP is a better option for those players who have the talent but the club does not promote.
The nice thing about ODP is that it is not the same old group of girls that you train with day in day, year after year. My daughter loves the opportunity to train with girls who are not necessarily looking to take her place. Although the region camp can be stressful with respect to the ID process, I think the girls realize that they are not really trying to knock each other out, but rather trying to standout. The evaluators also look for more than just skills. My daughter said that at camp she was sent off with a group of girls and told to have a kick around or 3v3 game. This was "free play". The other girls starting goofing off and my daughter tried to keep them on task. Little did they know, they were actually being evaluated on how well they handled themselves when left along.
How many College coaches are at Region 1 Camp watching? Not too many if any. So is it better then a college ID camp? Anyone that played ODP may pay and go to the Region camp , so like 10:57 stated there will be girls there that may not have the commitment your child does. So it is a waste for your child and even if your child was trying to stay on task she will now be lumped in with the girls goofing off. At a college ID camp hopefully by this age all the girls there want a shot at going to the college to play soccer. So the commitment will be there. I also think it is better to go to the ID camps not the sleep over camps.
ID2 is great if, as someone said already, your club promotes your kid. ODP remains the only ID venue where your kid can get in on her own. Despite arguments to the contrary, he politics are minimal at region 1 camps. No club coaches are regional coaches. The coaches of the regional teams are all college coaches so at a minimum, there are 9 or more college coaches watching your kid. This year, a UVA assistant was there and I think they all are D1 coaches. The Boca interregional is very cost effective. It's a week long and there are a ton of coaches there. With only 2 games going on synchronously the coaches are pretty much lining the fields. USSF scouts are there also. My older one has been to several events and there is clearly shuffling of the roster from year to year. Some kids at Boca one year, not in the pool the next and in the pool but not Boca the next, for example. Some kids drop out after having not made it for a year after making it the year before. Sure there is a "core" of maybe 8-10 kids who have found the program beneficial to their development in some way who have been to Boca for several years, but the roster is not locked down from year to year.
8:36 - The one year my kid went to Region 1 camp, her coach was there and no he is not also a college coach.
There were some very good players in the 2001 group this year, the number of top players dropped from about 15 last year to about 4 or 5 this year. I think the word is out that NJ ODP is not what it is in other parts of the USA.My daughter will not be going back, it's on her resume for a few years and that's it. The Carli Lloyd story only goes so far...
From what I know this would be my ranking brackets regarding exposure and quality:Nt campId2Region 1Pdp selectRed bulls showcaseNextgen showcasePdpState odpRed bullsNextgen
Not sure how many other clubs do this, but our club discourages any program other than USNT call-ups, that's it.Is this common, does PDA or World Class not actively endorse their best players to outside ID platforms?
Match fit and pda had 3 girls at id2. Mf had region one kids. Not sure wc.
PDA encourages their kids to do whatever they can. MFA prohibits ODP, I don't think PDA does. they both encourage all of the ID/PDP stuff that the leagues they are in offer plus other stuff.
Nike does an ECNL event that I would put right below national team events.
Thats nike national training camp ecnl+id2. I would put that between national team and national camp. Good call.
Of the U14 (2002) Girls ODP Final Pool selects, the top three clubs with the most representation are East Meadow (x7), Empire United (x4), and PF (x3). This based on 2015-2016 rosters. A number of clubs including CFC, South Shore, VA Rush, BRYC, and FC Copa, have two representatives. PDA has one representative from Shore.
Where do you see this list
That is last years breakdown, they just picked a new pool for ODP. I'm not sure who made what and from what team yet as there was some movement around.
Wildcats having very tough go of it in Colorado, STA looking very good.
Looks like Wildcats are a huge disappointment as usual. Good regular season team but when it counts coach just can't get it done
National Cup XV Finals - U14Group A6pts +3 STA NPL 01G3pts +1 Lonestar 03G Red3pts +1 ATLETICO FC0pts -6 Seacoast United Elite - Dr- 01/02Group B6pts +5 FC Boston Scorpions u14 ECNL4pts +2 WOODBURY SOCCER CLUB Samba1pt -2 NJ Wildcats Averbuch NPL0pts -5 Pittsburgh Riverhounds Development AcademyI agree STA looking good vs a u13 team and the 4th place team in the new England NPL with Long Island Atletico left to stand in their way. No disrespect to any of the teams but 6 of the teams are from region 1 with a MN and TX team thrown in not exactly what i would call a national event.
Isn't this supposed to be open to all the state champs? Where is everyone ?
I think there were more state champs there last week. Maybe that's why?
Wildcats lost today to top 10 team in country. I agree with poster talking about where are the teams? How is this national? I guess the npl was the one to be in last week?
Top 10? according to what ranking?Gotsoccer has them at 667http://youthsoccerrankings.us/team.html?teamId=1549323Youth Soccer has them at 509http://youthsoccerrankings.us/team.html?teamId=1549323Am I missing something?
Got Soccer #1 team in the country Jersey Shore Boca? Really?
It's the Boca and manalapan njsca elite parent coaches who are posting these idiotic posts. The fc Boston Scorpions team that beat wildcats 2 to 0 also just beat nefc in mass state cup final. And nefc rolled Lehigh Valley and Florida elite both by 9 to 1 scores in npl finals last weekend.
The scorpions are an ecnl team. Used to be called Boston breakers at u13.
10:34 if the 7:24 post is accurate then Wildcats played/lost to Woodbury. Scorpions or Breakers played Pittsburgh and won 5-0. They will have their chance with them shortly, but if they couldn't beat Woodbury, they may not want to face Boston. Waiting for some excuse. Stop bringing up Boston beat NEFC. It was one game. NEFC's body of work over the last 12 months is nothing short of impressive. Better than Boston for sure. They are allowed to slip up occasionally. It would seem they just had an off day. Only other team to beat them was South Shore. What they did at the NPL finals very impressive.
1209 please get your facts straight. Wildcats did not lose to woodbury minn team friday. Wildcats led most of game 1 to 0 until woodbury got a penalty kick with 30 seconds left and converted to tie wildcats 1 to 1.and no one said anything against nefc they are a fantastic team. Probably best team in region 1. Point was to show scorpions ecnl team is also one of the top teams if they were able to defeat them recently as nefc has blown out some very competitive teams at npl finalls.
Looks like wildcats just can't put the ball in the net this tournament. Better luck next year
Guess you are wrong again.Wildcats beat western pa 5 to 0 today. Finished 2nd in their bracket behind F boston Scorpions ecnl.
What was Score of scorpions ecnl vs woodbury Minnesota today.
Didn't everyone beat up on Western PA.?
Minn beat them 2 to 0. Much closer game. Also wildcats 2nd in bracket so in 8 team bracket don't they receive semifinal points. That should keep you up tonight you sick fat ass bitch.
Congrats to STA. Up 2-0, Atletico battled back for a 3-2 leaf and had the lead for much of the second half. Somehow, inexplicably the ref added almost 7 mins to the second half. STA scores at the whistle to salvage the draw and advance. Never heard of that much time being added at end of game. Atletico would have advanced with the win. Tough way to go down. No knock on STA, they didn't give up but officiating was terrible. Good luck to STA IN FInal ATLETICO Dad.
Why would the Wildcats play NPL if the prize for winning your league is NPL Finals?Why would the Wildcats enter NJ Cup when the prize is the National Cup?They should be punished for not representing their "league" in a national event.If your league rewards it's champion with a chance at a National title why would a team to choose to enter a 2nd National event if they weren't prepared to play in both? That is all you need to know about this team. I could careless what they accomplished at the end of the day they turned their back on their league to play in a tournament that is only a national event in name only. STA or FC Boston will be National Champions just like North Union United from PA is make what you will of the title if National Cup is legit with it's Pay to Play format then the USYSA President's cup is legit also for the teams that picked the event just below the NCS.If a team plays in NCS then Region1 tournament is the goal with Texas as the grand prize.If team plays ERL then NL and Region1 tournament is the goal with Texas as the grand prizeIf a team plays NL then NC, Disney and if they qualify for Texas are the prizesIf a team plays ECNL then the prize is the playoffs with the grand prize the championshipsIf a team plays NPL then the grand prize is the NPL FinalsIf a team plays USC State Cup then National Cup is the grand prizeIf a team PAYS for USC Regional event then the National cup is the grand prizeWhy would a team enter multiple events if they have to plan to honor them? This is why the Wildcats will never have respect from me an anonymous poster on this board. You don't shit where you eat and the EDP has been your league for years and has awarded many GS points to this team that has helped them get their F1 status at major events and then to slap the EDP in the face and not represent them at their major event in CO, well to me that's just wrong. Don't enter if you are not prepared to travel. Just go to the EDP website they posted your team as Champion going to the Finals because they were proud of their team.Good luck STA I hope you win!!
Scorpions ecnl beat woodbury Minnesota 3 to 0 today to advance to final.
Wildcats would not have done any better than LVU in the NPL finals. They chose to do the lesser tournament for whatever reason. That is their choice. It would be a lot to ask for them to stay in CO for 2+ weeks.5:42 are you really bragging about finishing tied for second out of 4 in a less than stellar field?
Btw if you beat a Pittsburgh team, they will embarrass themselves in a hotel! So keep crushing people!
To answer previous questions from July 22 about ODP pools, the links to the ODP ID lists are now posted on the Region I website under the Programs and ODP tabs. These rosters only provide name and state association. The following club representation statistics for the U14 (2002) Girls ODP Final Pool selects are for the upcoming 2016-2017 season: East Meadow (x7), Empire United (x4), and PF (x3). These statistics are based on 2015-2016 club rosters. A number of clubs including CFC, South Shore, VA Rush, BRYC, and FC Copa, each have two representatives. For the U13 (2003) group about to become U14s, South Shore leads the way with 4 selects followed by Kirkwood with 3 selects. Many clubs have two selects, including PF, CFC, Richmond Strikers, Seacoast United, FC Boston, and Cherry Hill. The club affiliation information is not directly available. It takes an evening with absolutely nothing better to do and a little bit of research to match names with club affiliation through state association announcements, club announcements, and published rosters (e.g. Gotsoccer, NilNil, club websites, etc.). Because many of the 2016-2017 team rosters are not yet available, most of the above club affiliation information is based on where the girls played in 2015-2016. However, many 2016-2017 rosters are now posted and there is some interesting movement afoot.
Is it truly that difficult to make a regional pool? Considering so many top players dont even do ODP.
ODP has become has loss credibility the past decade, some states run it better than others and help identify regional players better particularly NY & VA who still run decent ODP programs. Many girls attending the US training centers do not even bother with it and I've heard of girls that have been invited to training centers and ID2 camps and not even get selected for state/region level ODP. It's just another avenue to be seen it's technically not ODP(Olympic) anymore just supplemental training if you want to spend the extra $. It's a good to place on your resume and that's about it, it's a rarity now that the program feeds the national youth teams. It would be smart if USYS revamps the programs into the girls DA league model and help identify players for DA instead of it's current model.
There were many players from the top level teams within ECNL clubs that were not selected for the Region pools. If the presumption is that your a "top player" if you pay ECNL, then I suppose that it is somewhat difficult to make a Region pool. It all depends on the definition of "top player". Not all players have the connections or the profile to be "invited" to a U.S. Training Center, but all youth soccer players can "choose" to participate in ODP. ODP is open competition, whereas U.S. Training Centers is closed competition.
Even politics gets some "invited" to the TC's. Parents go to their kids coach hounding them for one because they think their kid deserves it. Some coaches unfortunately do not have a backbone. Being invited back once there is where politics no longer stands a chance as their club coach no longer has a say. Definitely gives some of these parents a much needed reality check.
1147 US Training Centers are not closed competition there are non-ECNL players attending them as well it all falls if the club DOC has the credibility to promote a player there.
Okay, I am a parent who needs a reality check, and since my kids club apparently does not even participate in id2 or PDP, what am I suppose to do?? Should I write to them and say, hey, my kid wants a shot at more, or should we do it without their knowledge, knowing they might find out eventually. There is a bit of elitism going on between our club and these other programs, and I am not sure why, it should be a good thing that their players are playing at the top programs, no??? I am not the ultimatum type, but I have to be an advocate for my child, what should I do???
What does this mean, exactly: Not all players have the connections or the profile to be "invited" to a U.S. Training Center.
2:00 rely on knowing that if her talent level is deserving of it that your coach would send in a recommendation (without feeling pressured). If you have to seek one out chances are what you see and what others see isn't at the same level. If you don't trust or value your daughters coach then I suggest finding a new one. There's always ODP and ID camps that as long as you're willing to pay for its at least a way for her to be seen.
I think 2:00 was intimating that their club or coach doesn't reccomend. I know that is the case with some clubs that fear parents will get pissed and leave even if they are the 8th best kid. Every parent over estimates their kids level so if they think they are top 3 and deserving even if they are really #8 its tough to have rational converstaions. At PDA its not an issue there are 2 kids for every open spot. At smaller clubs its tougher.
Talk about waste of money & time! Going out to Colorado to play in a "National Championship" that had nothing "national" to it & not even making it out of bracket, ouch!
Any TDS member care to share the 2020 top 150 list with the blog?
What crap, 2:52. Coaches and DOCs do not look after the best interest of every child on thier teams and you must be the delusional one if you think that is the case. Do you really live in a fairy tale world where the coaches always treat each player fairly and never play favorites? At our club, NTC recommendations are based partly on talent but as much or moreso on how long you've been at the club and how much you interact with the DOC, either kissing up or bitching about how your little Messi isn't being promoted enough. But I've seen firsthand and heard of other cases where a NTC invitee and a non-invitee have gone to an objective camp, e.g., ODP, ID clinics, non-club training, etc. and the non-invitee has been acknowledged as the standout. Not saying that's always the case but only a fool believes that it doesn't happen and you should just blindly trust your coach to take care of your child.
Thanks 2:52, and yes 3:16, my kids club only allows participation in NT camps or teams, apparently they don't send to id2 or Pdp, we really like the training, but I think their club ego is getting in the way.
Thanks 3:35, you are the devil on my right shoulder, the angel issue tells me to trust the club, that they know best, but this is our one and only time through this process, and she wants more....
2 PMYes, have a frank discussion with your daughter's coach. Ask if it is possible that she get put forward as a candidate for PDP
3:45, I will, but they don't participate in Pdp, don't want to do it secretly, stay tuned.
From U.S. Soccer about how to be invited to a training center:"Players are identified by our scouting network and invited based on their performance with their respective club teams. Players must first prove they can be successful in a competitive club environment before being invited."Not every player who is or could be a so-called top player plays on a top team or for a top club, or even a competitive travel team. Such players who do not have a high "profile" to be seen and scouted, or a "connection" through a coach, DOC, or club that makes recommendations, which some do not to avoid playing favorites, will receive an invitation.
STA loses 4-3 to Boston. Now that is a good game. Not 2-0 like Wildcats coach tried to spin his loss. Wildcats had much better season than STA but when it counted coach just can't win.
Good game, and good season STA!Go NYCSL, except for Massapequa, they don’t count.At least you guys got a chance to go to Colorado, heard the food was great, lots of good herbs
Great weather all week. Dry and cool at night. Low humidity. Heard it was a hot week for you guys back east. We loved coloradoRocky Mountains here are really something.
Sounds like you guys had a blast.
Absolutely! I agree. I guarantee TC invites are sometimes influenced by kissing up to Coaches/DOC's. The invite won't keep them in it though. Oniy a players technical skill, soccer iq ect will. My kid attends the TC's and said it's not hard to tell who doesn't belong. If it's obvious to a player it's obvious to those national coaches. Those players are usually not there long. Same applies in other areas of advancement within the sport (ODP being one).
Averbuch, Averbuch, Averbuch. We cannot get enough bashing of the better teams in the region, I will not say nation, but in region. And in the state top 4 at the least? yes, Colorado did not go as planned, but they trained 4 times per week to prepare. They worked real hard, great training, great fitness, great coaching. They will continue to play top flights at CASL, Betheseda, just did at FC Delco and Jeff cup. What else you can ask for is beyond me. Wildcats Parent
Happy hour came early today...cheers!
03:38 AMEN BROTHER !!!!
Good stuff Wildcats parent. And if that is what you are looking for, then great. Just no need to bash the teams that play at the level above you. We are all paying the same for soccer. Everyone should be happy with their choice and live with it. Enjoy the summer.
I have one last thing to ask, please shut-up, and go away.Thanks!
I know! But the training is better......
3:38 Yeah right, there are 3 PDA and 2 MF teams that are better than the wildcats... i might be missing a team or two.
You still in colorado? Pda has one team. Mfa 0 teams that can beat averbuch.
5:03. You must be counting PDA Shore as one of the 3 teams better than Wildcats because if I remember correctly didn't the Wildcats beat Ajax to win state cup. Yes the same Ajax team that ran away with the NPL division
First off PDA Shore beat Wildcats in EDP play recently I believe. Storm hasn't played Wildcats in awhile but we can assume they could beat them. That leaves Dragons and/or Ajax. Dragons seemed to have a down year so I wouldn't count them. Ajax and Wildcats went to overtime in state cup so sounds pretty even in their only match recently. Small samples so hard to say with 1 game to go on, but likely all could win on any given day.
Wildcats beat pda shore 6 to 0 in their only head to head game at u14. That was in edp league play this year.
Top 8- next year teams1 PDA ECNL2 PDA South3 PDA NPL4 STA5 Wildcats6 Jersey Shore BOCA7 Match Fit ECNL8 Galaxy
Is that 01 or 02
7:30 My apologies, You are correct it was 14 months ago at U13, 2 weeks after losing to the Dragons in the State cup. Sorry for my confusion and inaccurate post.
9:30 - - You're lost... 1 & 2 are '01 PDA ECNL and '01 MF ECNL. Having MF ECNL at #7 shows you know nothing about soccer at this level.Those 2, by far, will dominate all the rest of the teams you have on the list.What have you been sniffing?
Don't sleep on nj rush their 02 team will be one of the best sides next year.
Not sure how strong mf 02 ecnl team will be. They had mostly 01 players on u14 ecnl team.Pda 02 will be better next year.
You NJ people just need to go to the beach and give it a rest!!Take a break for God's sake! Stop living vicariously through your daughters from whatever campground you're drinking at!
3:38 - Do you think practicing 4 times at the end of a long year really helps the girls? According to gotsoccer this team played roughly 41 games over the past year. After playing that many games then going to 4 days a week practices is a good way to burn girls out. I have seen this team play in person, lost to my D's team everytime. Coaching is not great.So I wonder how the training really is. By Fitness I wonder if you me running? That is not what you do. You dont run the girls to get them in better shape. You do fast drills to get them moving. Running is a HS thing. That is what HS coaches do.
PDA Shore picked up very strong players from outside and inside the club.The team should be a top team.
9:30 your list is for 2002 or 2001?I'll have some fun with it but need to know which age group you are talking about.
So is this a 2001 or 2002 blog, I need to know which teams to anonymously critique, for no apparent reason.
New top 10 for 2002 NJ soccer:1 Crush2 Boca3 STA4 Manalapan5 GGG6 Rush7 PDA Ecnl8 MF Ecnl9 Princeton IGA10 Stallions
Sorry it's way to pre-mature to rank 2002's or 2001's. Many teams will not even see other especially the ENCL clubs. Also why are we just ranking NJ shouldn't we look at the region NEFC, FC Mass, East Meadow will be as strong or stronger than many of those top 10 8:39. Remember schools don't recruit by only one state!
Sorry but the top 3 '02 teams in NJ next year will be Rush, PDA ECNL and PDA South. Not sure what order until we see them play.
7:47 thanks for your expert advice but our trainer forgot more than you know about soccer specific conditioning and fitness, LOL.
I like the 9:30 post: This will be accurate I believe, 02 girls we are talking about. PDA shore changed completely for 02, cause U14 went 01. NJ Rush Blue is not 02? and remember great PA teams are out there as well. 1 PDA ECNL2 PDA South3 PDA NPL4 STA5 Wildcats6 Jersey Shore BOCA7 Match Fit ECNL8 Galaxy
And remember top 4 at state cup, Boca, Galaxy, Ajax and Averbuch. And if you do not enter state cup just shut up. And if not in top group for state cup shut up. STA tied Boca recently and lost to Boca in state cup play. Otherwise remember all these pda teams and MF teams are hard to play. Galaxy has new make up, so does Averbuch, Boca lost couple of players, MF and PDA storm lost a couple as well. Things will change for sure.
221 Remember great NY teams as well (World Class, NEFC, East Meadow) NJ Rush Blue merges with SJEB 02's so I would put them right up there in the top 10 in NJ as well.
Pda storm and rush blue will be one and two. Just watched first half of rush blue vs socal blues. I saw the 5-0 score line and was disappointed because i thought nj could compete better. So here are some initial thoughts. Skill wise i thought rush was superior to the blues. Athletically the blues were tough to match up with but nothing ridiculous. 3 goals on corners. One on a long ball to run. Obvious they practice these plays and had a serious advantage. The long ball aspect of the blues was disappointing. These kids are not that good skill wise and once the athleticism evens out they will no longer be valuable players. Not impressed. Blues suprised rush with physicality. Blues defense plays really well. Blues well trained to execute system but not good foot skills creativity or flare. Proud of rush for sticking to their game plan. A lot of skill on that team. Surprised that rush talent was that evenly distributed. Did not notice any real standouts or weak links.
9:30 here that was for 2002
3:30, 3:40 having convo with himself.I just heard MF lost another player to pda for 02 team. Why are people leaving MF.Pa parent
PA parent. Yeah right. The level of hatred spewed by PDA towards MatchFit and Wildcats is beyond the pale. If this is an example of the type of class of PDA parents and coaches than you deserve each other.
Is it just me or would the level of sense contained in that post be unregisterable on a micrometer?
As you can see they lack even the decency to be embarrassed by their behavior.
I am PA ParentYes I am curious why a player would leave one ecnl club for another. Seems that I hear top players leave for pda for match fit often. Why?
Just as often players leave PDA for MatchFit as vice versa. Why do you think they leave?Playing time always.
Come on pda guy,oops I meant pa guy you should know the answer to your own question.
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