Wednesday, July 1, 2015

U14G / U14 Girls Youth Soccer

U14G  / U14 Girls youth soccer seems to offer the most teams and the widest diversity of talent.

Where these players will end up is anyone guess.

Welcome to the ride.

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Anonymous said...

Just because you wasted money on ODP, doesn't mean you need to validate the time and money you spent. I will give you ODP at the older age groups does garner the better players. But please, don't start proclaiming that if your daughter was on an ODP team, she must be good. Or even that if she is playing with her age group she must be great. There were players on my daughters ODP team that wouldn't have made the starting lineup on our club team. But in their defense, their parents did have money to throw away and allow them to say just that. The ODP teams that went to England this year was not compromised of the best players, but of the ones that could afford it.

Anonymous said...

I've always enjoyed watching my kids play ODP, so I haven't really missed the money spent. But your mileage may vary. I'm sure there are some parents who really wish they had that ODP money back. And even worse are the parents who don't even realize they wasted their money. I'm so glad there are people out there willing to enlighten them.

The point of the 7:14 post was that the kids who did ODP have a better barometer of how they'll fare once birth year tryouts begin. Presumably these players have at least shared the field with the 2001s who will be their teammates next year.

Lots of undeserving kids make ODP, and presumably get exposed at ODP practices. ODP is a barometer, not the be-all, end-all. Not sure how you read ODP=great player into that post.

And I certainly hope that you are not defending Susie's dad, 'cause that guy really is a douche.

Anonymous said...

As far as I know there was no change at MFA. Every ECNL team is coached by a coach with previous ECNL experience at MFA. Unless something happened today that I'm not aware of.

Anonymous said...

The biggest impact will be to the older 2002's that will be going into HS but will be playing U14 again. The HS and club seasons will overlap.

Anonymous said...

What has been said about MF that is so bad. Nothing that isn't said about every club. Top clubs get picked on. Stop being so sensitive.

Anonymous said...

Very True that PDA is being investigated, they used a girl from our ECNL partner during playoffs

Anonymous said...

Why so cryptic. If you have info give more details.

Anonymous said...

Stop picking on PDA all the time. MF did the same thing....oh wait, that is MF's excuse. Let me find another rebuttal.

Anonymous said...

Undeserving kids make ODP? What kind of horse crap are you spewing?

How about you define an ODP player for us

Are you saying they choose the wrong players, cut the wrong ones?

If they take 25, take 30, whatever - and nobody that was cut was better, just shut up about it.

Undeserving? You're a total jagoff.

Anonymous said...

Now I understand your point 8:15. Sorry I was a little slow on the uptake. Don't know the guy your talking about personally, and since you crushed me in our mini debate. The guy must be an ass!

Anonymous said...

"The girls have physical presence but not the technical ability"

[Read: They are strong black girls]

You should be ashamed of yourself, 3:09.

Anonymous said...

Current U14s are madeup partly by 2001s who are either in 8th or 9th grade. What do the 9th graders do now?

Anonymous said...

Sorry for the Pat myself on the back post.

I did great with my F1 GS point projections 1 -72 pts off not so good with F2 had it higher for some reason so I missed by 300 - 800 pts

F1
GS Points awarded
5199 SSS projected 5127
3799 BBA projected 3763
1974 BRY projected 1973
2158 PF projected 2140

F2
GS Points awarded
6695 PF NPL projected 7677
1491 HUMV projected 1726
3355 DELCO projected 3852
1475 SJEB projected 1722

GS 4 life

Anonymous said...

I can give you some insight regarding PDA. (unaware of Match Fit's violation) PDA used a player from our club during the National Finals, Our coach stated he was shocked to find out his player was allowed to play for another team while being on a roster with our ECNL club. Rules are in place to prevent clubs to pull players from opposing ECNL clubs. Lets see what happens

Anonymous said...

Its a shame that 9:49 is so angry about what is reality. Do you really think that all the players on the team are the original ones chosen? When you bought your new car you probably that that salesman was really going in back to get you a better deal? Didn't you? And

Anonymous said...

MORRIS UNITED STA FALL KICK OFF 2015
Projected 6,177

Max Points for the Champion
5942 WORLD CLASS FC '01HAMM NPL (NYE) 5612 WASHINGTON UNITED FEVER '02 (NJ) 4351 GPS NJ FLASH U14G ELITE (NJ)
4177 NJ WILDCATS GALAXY (NJ)
3804 PDA SHORE FUSION (NJ)
2555 STA MORRIS UNITED NPL 01 (NJ)

Anonymous said...

10:26, what age group?

Anonymous said...

Anybody know who the #1 team in NJ is? Think some people owe them an apology.

Anonymous said...

11:19 Mr. Creepy at it again.
Trying to stir up more of his garbage.
No one is biting or fooled.
Haven't you made enough of a fool of yourself with your false accusations and slandering.

Anonymous said...

And so it was on August 25, 2015 that a poster known only as "9:49" stated that there is no unfairness in the world, that every man, woman and child gets exactly what they deserve, no more, no less. Always. And that conversely, there are no undeserving people in the world. And it was stated so persuasively, so clear, and so succinctly, that everyone recognized it as the word of truth. And once it was recognized as truth, all suffering disappeared from the world as all persons realized that everything that happened to them was exactly what they deserved.

Anonymous said...

9:49 PM - - ODP has a lot of talent... no way one of 25 kids sits on any bench... Unless you're a kid of a coach there, they're getting many of the top kids in the state. You don't have to like it, but that's a fact.

Anonymous said...

You truly do not know what your talking about. One the ODP teams has four girls that do not start on a regular basis on their own teams. I know this for a FACT. There are also players on ODP that are not in the top four on their own teams. I am not saying their are not a lot of talented girls on the ODP teams, because there are. What I am saying is that ODP is similar to soccer across the country, if you don't have the money, you don't play. Let me ask you this. Is ODP training gaining your daughter anything over her ECNL training?

Anonymous said...

NJ Wildcats, the #1 ranked team in NJ according to GS, have earned 590 points in their last 5 events. You backed into the #1 spot when other teams' points fell off, but you're trending in a very bad direction. Check back in this winter when all of your Fall 2014 points drop off and you have little to replace them with.

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Anonymous said...

Same can be said for several other top teams from LAST year. Those points will be coming off and there will be nothing to replace them with. Down they go.

Anonymous said...

No 9:50. Its creepy when you feel the need to trash every team that might have enjoyed some success. Its creepy when that is your only goal on this blog. When its one team, then maybe its a personal thing because of a rivalry issue. But many teams, That's kind of a weird angry hate issue and personal need that is creepy. Look in that mirror bud, do you see it yet.

Anonymous said...

Your daughter must be on one of those teams. Sorry to hear. Hey, great while it lasted though! Right?

Anonymous said...

Watching our kids play soccer is great while it last. Keeping creepy guys like you away is from them is also great. There is no doubt that you view other players on your daughters team, just like you view other teams that play against your daughter. It is a sad world you live in (but sadder for your family).

Anonymous said...

http://www.momsteam.com/successful-parenting/athletic-success-accident-birth

Anonymous said...

wow, great article, very interesting, of course this makes sense, every single month can make a difference is size, weight and ability.

Anonymous said...

Thanks to 555 432 and 424. I like to give accolades where belongs, yes the girl was wicked good and led her team to victory when the chips were down. I have seen keepers pulled, however never head the game tying ball into the opposing net on a corner, then stop 3 pk to win top bracket at top tourney. btw, she also took a pk, she shot over the net, however what a great athlete. Of course it is a team sport, but for the coaches, league, whatever to have the keeper involved like that and that decision made the difference on who was the best at u14 spirits in 2015, don't forget it. learn from it is best, and all the negative I am sure are parents who were at McDonalds in time for breakfast. lol

Anonymous said...

Age affect still in play, it just shifts from August to January.

And at u14, i don't think it applies anymore as these girls are in full puberty except for a few.

There are also reports that the relative age factor have much less impact in female sports compared to male sports.

I would also add that the true outlier in talent will get to where she is going to get to because everything comes easy to them.

Their touch on the ball
Their Soccer Iq in how they see the field which affects their decision making.
lateral quickness

If you are blessed with these things then relative age factor become less of a hindrance to success

Anonymous said...

1:42, are you with SS, if not, why are you commenting on that? If you are with SS, what are you doing commenting on this board, are you tired of being made fun of on Talking Soccer?

Anonymous said...

Well 10:51 it not all about winning only to many of us, unlike it seems yourself. always consumer with points rankings,etc.
Maybe that is because unlike you we really are interested in enjoying our soccer esperience with our children.
It's really not a zero sum game to us as it is obviously to yourself.
Try and lighten up a bit all that hate that comes oozing through your posts really has no place here.

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Anonymous said...

Would the SS goalie poster please take a typing class? Most of us use the BS on this board as a diversion from our jobs, and reading posts with such awful grammar takes too much concentration.

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Anonymous said...

EDP CUP 2015 FALL [U12-U14]
10/10/2015-10/11/2015
Projected Value 8,500

24 STA MORRIS UNITED NPL 01
28 NEW YORK SC G01
50 JERSEY SHORE BOCA JR FC FUSION
62 SJEB '01G NPL
98 PIPELINE BLACK

Anonymous said...

This calendar year is a nightmare. Now I have to start reading the U13 site also.

Great job with the flight value. That will generate some good GS points for the winner.

Anonymous said...

Why EDP is a joke.

Anonymous said...

What's better?

Anonymous said...

Not the league but the points it garners for teams on GS. Most of the teams on this list are near the top of GS because of league points. And it feeds on each other every year. And they give points in Fall and Spring. Skews GS.

Anonymous said...

And club removing events doesn't? There are so many things that skew GS.

Some leagues have a fall/Spring season different from each other like EDP this is okay different teams in each season so what's the issue with EDP.

Some straight through leagues like NYCSL NPL / NewEngalnd NPL split their season in to two for double the GS points -this is where your issue is.

Some teams use different team accounts for GS points. MF NPL (NJX) win Nj Cup to qualify for National Event and reach finals. So instead of using this account they use the MF ECNL account. Your issue should be here.

Some Clubs add then remove then add only to remove their events from GS - your issue should also be here.

So teams like STA, NJ Crsuh & NYSC all benefit from double league points when they should only get them once since NYCSL NPL is a straight through league no split.

While teams like MF use players and GS accounts to benefit their teams and clubs like PDA add and remove their events from day today.

So instead of having issues here, you pick on EDP and GS. GS is just a tool how it's used well that's not on GS and EDP has two different seasons a Fall then they shuffle teams (pro/rel) for the Spring and yes their NPL games are included in the Spring they don't split them out.

If you are going to throw mud at least get your facts in order first.

Anonymous said...

I agree with 7:58 and I think you made their point.


Anonymous said...

I'm hearing that when GS moves to Calendar year also, a filter ability will be included for tournament directors to include or exclude GS points earned in league play or non-effect small tournaments to help realign rankings. I think that's great so if a team really skewed because they earned points will fall off the high end of the list.
Come on EDP gives points for being the 6th place team sorry 1st/2nd and maybe 3rd depending on the amount of teams.

Anonymous said...

NYCSL splits the points

No doubles

Second place team overall (fall + spring) could actually get 4th place spring points.

Really not that complicated.

Maybe they will change it. We'll see.

Anonymous said...

10:05 it is double they are getting 2nd place and 4th place points instead of just one time for the slot they finished in.

Examples:

STA
2nd = 1950
1st = 3994
Total 5,944

NYSC
1st = 4498
3rd = 3022
Total 7,520

Anonymous said...

one more thing 10:05 very complicated - if it's a straight through league then all they are doing is manipulating GS by inflating all their members with fall points so their Spring portion would be higher.

Anonymous said...

Wildcats EDP is same thing

Knock on STA is their "double" points from playing 2 leagues. Had they won EDP they'd really have prospered.

Anonymous said...

9:52 GS give points to 1-11 in a 12 team league. I agree with you though it should be like the Olympics Gold, Silver and Bronze and that's all. I would imagine that makes life even easier for the tournament directors.

Anonymous said...

EDP is the worst offender. They will leave 3 seasons of points on GS to maximize the number of points that are given out to their teams. They are gaming the system to make EDP more valuable to play in.

Anonymous said...

Fall 1st = 5713
Spring 1st = 3546
2014/2015 = 9,259

Fall
JERSEY PREMIER SOCCER FLASH (NJ)
LEHIGH VALLEY UNITED LVU 01 GIRLS (PAE)
PIPELINE SC BLACK (MD)
NJSCA GALAXY (NJ)
STA MORRIS UNITED NPL 01 (NJ)
CES CALVERT CREW WHITE (MD)
MATCH FIT ACADEMY FC BLACK (NJ)
HARFORD FC UNITED THUNDER (MD)

Spring (3 new teams in - 2 old teams out)
PDA SHORE FUSION (NJ)
NJ WILDCATS AVERBUCH (NJ)
CES CALVERT CREW WHITE (MD)
JERSEY PREMIER SOCCER FLASH (NJ)
NJSCA GALAXY (NJ)
PIPELINE SC BLACK (MD)
LEHIGH VALLEY UNITED LVU 01 GIRLS (PAE)
NEW JERSEY RUSH 01 GIRLS BLUE (NJ)
WYOMING VALLEY SC WVSC '01GIRLS (PAE)

How can you hate it's not the same as NYCSL NPL.
They use their 7 games in the fall and their 7 games in the spring to determine their champion based on the 14 games played. So they split to manipulate GS straight up. EDP is two different leagues Fall to Spring how can you hate on that. they also include their NPL and Champions league games no extra points. NYCSL not only gives points for Fall and Spring but this year STA, NYSC can also triple the fun with their Crossover Cup Points.

But it works, Ramapo, MF NPL , FC Stars West & SJEB all have benefited from this, Just look at the FC Stars flights.

Why hate just because you are not part of it and don't care.

Anonymous said...

R1CL also gives points. I'm not sure why EDP is getting picked on here. The teams that are complaining are also likely the one's who argue that GS is worthless and doesn't matter, so I'm not sure why they care, but whatever. Deal with it, everyone.

Anonymous said...

Don't think anybody hates GS. Like noted earlier it's a tool. I use it so search a teams history. I don't think anybody believes it ranks teams based on ability and success, right?

Anonymous said...

Agree. Just look at GS for NJ. Only 2 teams in the GS top 10 would be a definite in an actual NJ top 10.

Anonymous said...

Someone asked about Virginia NPL the other day. FCV United should win it again in a cakewalk. They lost a couple of players to ECNL teams but PWSI lost even more, and the new clubs don't have the talent to challenge. The only team that might give FCV any trouble is Virginia Rush.

Anonymous said...

Is that the FCV team that went to NPL Nationals this summer?

Anonymous said...

Thanks Mr VA or Ms VA?

I like that I can read opinions on teams I'm not familiar with from VA, MD & CT in addition to NY, NJ & PA.

11:16 - It does rank on success - that doesn't mean a team is better than another - it just means the team was successful at tournaments/leagues that had other teams in a similar boat and there is nothing wrong with this and there is no reason to hate EDP or GS for this. I would be more concerned with teams that pick and choose which account to use and clubs that call it evil that hints at teams being "Point Chasers".

We make it evil because we talk about it and people that have an ego don't like not being in the conversation - the tool is nice and makes life easy for many people.

Anonymous said...

12:13
What would your NJ top 10 look like?

Anonymous said...

I can also see Clubs/Coaches putting GS down - because it might keep players/money away from them.

ECNL teams don't care about GS (of course these are the ones that don't play in many events outside the ECNL) because they are not included in any conversations outside of ECNL

Parents enjoy it - and for a 13 year old girl seeing they are number 1 in the country or in a region or in a state that's like being the USA number 1 in the world.

PS. The fifa coca cola rankings work the same way - the more games you play (friendlies or qualifiers) the more points you accumulate same with tennis, but to be a champion you still need to win at the majors. So let's cut GS some slack

Anonymous said...

1:20 who cares - you know PDA Storm and MF ECNL will be 1 & 2 followed by all the NPL teams and then we sprinkle in STA, NJ Wildcats, NJ Crush or maybe a few others

Anonymous said...

So yes even the highest level of soccer uses a tool similar to GS


-------------------------------

The basic logic of these calculations is simple: any team that does well in world football wins points which enable it to climb the world ranking.

A team’s total number of points over a four-year period is determined by adding:

The average number of points gained from matches during the past 12 months; and
The average number of points gained from matches older than 12 months (depreciates yearly).


Calculation of points for a single match

The number of points that can be won in a match depends on the following factors:

Was the match won or drawn? (M)
How important was the match (ranging from a friendly match to a FIFA World Cup™ match)? (I)How strong was the opposing team in terms of ranking position and the confederation to which they belong? (T and C)


These factors are brought together in the following formula to ascertain the total number of points (P):

P = M x I x T x C

The following criteria apply to the calculation of points:

M: Points for match result

Teams gain 3 points for a victory, 1 point for a draw and 0 points for a defeat. In a penalty shoot-out, the winning team gains 2 points and the losing team gains 1 point.

I: Importance of match

Friendly match (including small competitions): I = 1.0

FIFA World Cup™ qualifier or confederation-level qualifier: I = 2.5

Confederation-level final competition or FIFA Confederations Cup: I = 3.0

FIFA World Cup™ final competition: I = 4.0

T: Strength of opposing team

The strength of the opponents is based on the formula: 200 – the ranking position of the opponents. As an exception to this formula, the team at the top of the ranking is always assigned the value 200 and the teams ranked 150th and below are assigned a minimum value of 50. The ranking position is taken from the opponents’ ranking in the most recently published FIFA/Coca-Cola World Ranking.

C: Strength of confederation

When calculating matches between teams from different confederations, the mean value of the confederations to which the two competing teams belong is used. The strength of a confederation is calculated on the basis of the number of victories by that confederation at the last three FIFA World Cup™ competitions (see following page). Their values are as follows:

CONMEBOL 1.00
UEFA 0.99
AFC/CAF/OFC/CONCACAF 0.85

Anonymous said...

So I guess our USWNT are point chasers with this victory tour of theirs? Since they are getting points for friendly game wins.

Why would someone want to suppress GS and throw mud?

Anonymous said...

2015 WAGS Tournament
10/10/2015-10/12/2015
As of today

F1
FC VIRGINIA ECNL 01 (VA)
CREW JUNIORS ELITE (OS)
CESC CALVERT CREW WHITE (MD) - Spirit F1
OAKWOOD SC (CT)

PENN LEGACY FC 01 BLACK (PAE) - Spirit F1
TOTAL FUTBOL ACADEMY ELITE 01 (OS)
FC FREDERICK '01 (MD)
BRADDOCK ROAD YC 01 ELITE (VA) - Spirit F1

FLORIDA ELITE 01/02 ELITE (FL)
PWSI COURAGE 01G RED (VA)
PA CLASSICS ACADEMY 01 (PAE) - Spirit F1
CASL 01 CASL ECNL (NC)

F2
RAGE SC '01 ATHLETICA (PAE) - Spirit F1
NJ WILDCATS AVERBUCH (NJ) - Spirit F1
TRIANGLE FUTBOL ALLIANCE 01 G (NC)
CENTURY V 0102 ELITE (PAW)

NJ WILDCATS GALAXY (NJ)
YARDLEY MAKEFIELD SOCCER YMS BANSHEES (PAE) - Spirit F2
LOUDOUN SOCCER LOUDOUN 01 G RED (VA)
MARYLAND UNITED FC 01 PRE-ECNL (MD)

REAL SOUNDERS (NJ) - Spirit F2
LEHIGH VALLEY UNITED LVU 01 GIRLS (PAE)
D'FEETERS 02 (TXN)
CLEVELAND FUTBOL CLEVELAND FC 01-02 ROYAL (ON)

F3
BSA CELTIC CELTIC 01 GIRLS WHITE (OS)
BETHESDA SC ACADEMY 2001 BLUE (MD)
PA CREW ACADEMY BLUE (PAW)
SEVP BLACK THUNDER (MD)

HULMEVILLE SC DYNAMO (PAE) - Spirit F2
PINECREST PREMIER 01/02- G BLUE (FL)
MONTGOMERY BLAZE WHITE (MD)
OP FIRE 01/02 RED (ON)

VICTORY EXPRESS PLATINUM (PAW)
FC VIRGINIA UNITED 01 (VA)
KINGS HAMMER ACADEMY KHA RED (KY)
CAPITAL UNITED SC BLUE FORCE (NYE)

CONTINENTAL FC ECNL '01 (PAE) - Spirit F2
HBC SPARK (NYE)
HARFORD FC UNITED THUNDER (MD) - Spirit F1
BEADLING SC BEADLING WHITE (PAW)

Anonymous said...

boca moved to 1st division south? As of today I would gather. I do see they played HFC and beat them 3-0, maybe part of the reason for the move? Well we will see by Halloween. As far as the south shore praise and put downs, wtf is wrong with you people. I like the positive posts the person is making about that match. I also saw most of the ending as well. Just great soccer by both teams. Go BOSTON!!! lol

Anonymous said...

The WAGS flighting is interesting. Wildcats in the 2nd tier but Calvert stayed in top tier. Wildcats showed better at Spirit then Calvert who had 3 draws in a weaker division.

Overall the WAGS doesnt look that strong. FC VA will walk away with the top bracket.

Anonymous said...

EDP has nine F1 teams from Spirit & Stars

1st Division North
BEACHSIDE SC CT - FC Stars F2
HBC SPARK
JERSEY PREMIER SOCCER FLASH
JERSEY UNITED SOCCER SPARTANS 01/02G NPL
NJ WILDCATS GALAXY
NJCSA ELITE - Spirit F3
RAMAPO VALLEY SC TORNADOS '02 - FC Stars F1
TSF ACADEMY 01/02G
1st Division Central
FC COPA ACADEMY G01 NPL
LEHIGH VALLEY UNITED 01 GIRLS
NEW JERSEY RUSH 01 GIRLS BLUE
NJ WILDCATS AVERBUCH-NPL - Spirit F1
PDA SHORE FUSION - Spirit F4
REAL SOUNDERS - Spirit F2
SJEB '01G NPL - FC Stars F1
UKRAINIAN NATIONALS BLASTERS BLACK - Spirit F1
1st Division South
CESC CALVERT CREW WHITE - Spirit F1 1776 UNITED FC XTREME - Spirit F1 BETHESDA STORM 01
HARFORD FC UNITED THUNDER - Spirit F1
HFC READY '01 - Spirit - F3
JERSEY SHORE BOCA JR FC FUSION - Spirit F3
PENN LEGACY FC 01 BLACK - Spirit F1
PIPELINE BLACK - Spirit F2
RAGE SC '01 ATHLETICA - Spirit F1

Anonymous said...

WAGS is not strong this year at U14. They may as well hang the medals around the FCV players necks already.

Anonymous said...

Calvert had a weaker bracket at Spirit than Wildcats?

Please. 1776 much better than Rage

Anonymous said...

And the slide for Wildcats begins

Anonymous said...

There was no obvious "shoe in" with bracket A. Could've went anyway. Those 3 teams were equally mediocre. I agree that bracket could've used at least one team who was stronger. Even though BRYC won it, Boston had no issue with them in the semis with a 3-0 win.

Anonymous said...

Correction: South Shore not Boston.

Anonymous said...

@2:03, what is significance of that statement 9 F1 teams in EDP 1st division?

Anonymous said...

WAGS no NJ teams in top bracket, all playing in EDP cup instead? 2nd bracket with Medford and both wildcats may be decent for NJ? not sure any of those 3 teams can win that bracket though, I would only give a chance to Medford because of good goalie.

Anonymous said...

That's the way a bracket is suppose to be. It should be evenly matched teams. I agree they won't win but one will make the semi and final game.

People bury the Wildcats for never making semi final games. It's not their fault they were put in top flights. This is a team that suffered from a high GS ranking.

This is a team that outplays town teams but struggles against good programs.

Anonymous said...

3:45 just an interesting fact

Spirit and FC Stars have 8 teams not 9 in top flight, but some how posts always seem to hint at a weak league and these were ECNL club run tournaments

F1
1 North
3 Central
4 South

Anonymous said...

4:06 what do you mean not their fault and suffered from a high GS ranking. They did what they needed to do win their league win some lower level tournaments to earn the right to play in the top flights. If that wasn't good enough they won their state NCS. What should they have done differently?

play in ECNL - they can't
play in NENPL -they can't

All a team can ask for is to play against the best a tournament has win or lose.

Anonymous said...

Ramapo will notake win a game. Will pack it in to try to keep games close. They are very much misflighted. Just like wildcats at spirit

Anonymous said...

Wow

Now we are begrudging teams from taking their shot against elite clubs?

That's just whack.

Anonymous said...

2:03, that's my point. Because of the inflated GS points those EDP teams were elevated to flights they didn't belong.

Anonymous said...

I have been reading the posts for a while now, and I just have to say,

Everyone sucks, except my kids team.

Thanks.

Anonymous said...

Here are resutls and standing after bracket games at Spirit.
So 7:01 based on results vs to flight who do you think should have been relagated?
the bottom 3 teams are the only ones who lost every game and only 1 of the 3 hartford plays EDP. those were also the only 3 teams that were non competitve in their overall goal differentail even if you include the consolation games.
W L T GF GA PTS
penn susion 2 0 0 7 0 19
breakers 2 0 0 5 1 18
south shore 2 0 0 5 2 17
BRYC 1 0 1 3 1 13
PA classics 1 1 0 4 2 11
nj wildcats 1 1 0 5 5 10
penn legacy 1 1 0 2 2 9
calvert crew 0 0 2 1 1 8
1776 xtreme 0 1 1 2 4 5
pda ajax 0 2 0 1 6 1
hartford 0 2 0 0 5 0
rage athletica 0 2 0 0 7 0

Anonymous said...

Also if someone is saying teams in flight 1 were misflighted than of course he is saying there were teams in Flight 2 who were more deserving of Flight 1 at Spirit.
Looking at flight 2/(Elite) at Spirit the 4 teams that advbanced were SJEB, Hulmelville, Continental and Penn Fusion NPL. Which of those 4 were more deserving of Flight 1 status than one of the 3 winless teams at Spirit(PDA Ajax, Hartford and Rage)?

Anonymous said...

I think the only argument that can be made would be possbily Penn Susion NPL in flight 1 and Rage Athletica in flight 2. Not sure Penn Fusion ECNL Team would have wanted that or their club. Flight 1 was proper for Spirit.

Anonymous said...

Agreed. In fact I beleive Spirit did a better job of flighting thier teams than Stars or WAGS did.

Anonymous said...

9:40 I said from day one the host should have put their ECNL team in F1 over Harford. Harford was relegated from EDP D1 last fall and opted not to play in the Spring as a D2 team, they came back to EDP this fall and were placed right back in F1. i don't think you reward the I'm going home and taking my ball with me a attitude, but both Spirit and EDP did with Harford. Prior to Spirit PF NPL did nothing to say they were ready for F1 and I don't think SJEB or Hulmeville are F1 teams even though FC Stars seems to think SJEB is maybe they think the 6-0 loss to NJ Wildcats in NPL action was a fluke, I don't know maybe they have some good street cred in MA. I'm not sure there was a team to replace Ajax and Rage -I guess they could have done what FC Stars did give teams like Ramapo and MF NPL a shot, teams that haven't earned the shot but are new blood.

GS 4 Life

Anonymous said...

Spirit did a good job and so did WAGS - I think they got F1 right, Oakwood getting a shot is okay. Our CT poster can add more to this, afew years back when they were in NYCSL NPL it was them and NEFC that were the top dogs and prior to NEFC it was Oakwood over MF ECNL, Yes that was many years ago but they are still number 2 behind NEFC in the Northeast Girls NPL and the clear favorite to win the NPL Crossover Cup after we remove NEFC and the NYCSL NPL winner. I think FC Stars did okay with their flights,they just missed one team. They put 3 EDP teams in F1 (MF NPL, Ramapo, SJEB) of the 3 only one won their division while they placed the PDA Dragons in F2 after they won their NPL,even if you disregard their league because it's a B team league, the team went to Indiana and lost in the Semi-Finals to the Champion (NEFC) and they tied Jacksonville FC with 1st place on the line in the group. It's sad that level of success at the national level was disregarded. Dragons you got the shaft.

Anonymous said...

Spirit got it close to right. PDA Shore in F4?????

Anonymous said...

Maybe the Dragons got it right. While I think they wouldnt embarrass themselves in F1, they don't really have a chance to win a bracket. Now the other 3 teams you mentioned are clearly inferior to them and won't win a game or be competitive. Is that what you want if you travel to a tournament? Yes you want to play better teams but you have to be a little realistic. Better teams for those three would be to play 2nd tier teams like NYSC, STA, Dragons, Wildcats, Penn Legacy. Beat them first before you take on STorm, Breakers, MF ECNL, NEFC, etc.

Anonymous said...

7:42 with no disrespect to PDA Shore what did they do to deserve a higher flight? They finished 6th in their flight and could have been 7th if LVU played Pipeline (who struggled in the spring). So 7th out of 9 should get a higher flight? They were qtr finalist at the NJ Cup F2. They did well by taking care of business at Spirit and Jefferson in the lower flights to possibly move up in future majors. It looks like they should have applied to FC Stars, they could have used their EDP card to get f1 or f2.

Anonymous said...

PDA Shore at the time of the Spirit flightings was 5 or 6 in the state. The Spirit flights above them, F3 and F2 in particular had teams ranked in the 20s.

Rankings are flawed. Rankings reward teams that stay busy. Yes, yes...sure, sure. But they also reward results in tournaments and results against teams ranked higher and PDA Shore earned those results and were in the NJ top 10 when Spirit flighted the event.

There were at least 5 U14 teams from NJ flighted above PDA Shore in Spirit yet who were ranked below PDA Shore in GS.

Sounds more like PDA looking to cruise to victory. There is no logical reason why a 5 or 6 should be F4 of Spirit. And less of a reason when other NJ teams ranked in the 20s played a more difficult Spirit schedule.

Just sayin'

Anonymous said...

we are newer to pda shore team. Team was asked by tournament to move down from F2 to F4 - FACT. We were told we would use the spirit tournament to try out new tactics. In my opinion tournaments shouldn't be about chasing points, and PDA doesn't have to, those 3 letters on the shirt gets kids to come to the tryouts even if we are the 4th PDA team (LOL - i.e. US)

Anonymous said...

Not sure you are a PDA parent or if PDA wants you speaking for the club but....

So what you're saying is that Spirit tournament director agreed to have PDA use the event as a tactical training session weekend?

PDA Shore was a top 10 team and they were asked by the event to go from F2 to F4?

Anonymous said...

Shore is a bottom floght team

Sort of like TSF (Jeff Cup champs at that level) and Massapequa Rowdies (Delco finalist I believe at that level a while back)

No knock. Just going to the top events deserves a tip of the cap. The comp is pretty good even at lower levels - just not elite

Anonymous said...

Not familiar with all leagues. Let's play my league is better than your league

NE NPL top 3 teams:
PDA North
CFC
PF NPL

I admit bottom of this league was terrible but what league has 3 better teams?

Obviously excluding ECNL.

Anonymous said...

PDA Shore beat NJ Wildcats 3-1 in league play last Spring.

Hope my fact is not deemed creepy.

Anonymous said...

9:14 so you are saying playing 4 tough games and 20 walk in the park games makes this league tops? I posted how many F1 teams EDP has - your NE NPL had 1 and they are not even in your top 3, how do we take your post seriously? We can't because all it is - is a good trolling attempt. Back up your post with facts. PDA North NPL - F2 at Stars, PF NPL F2 at Stars - which CFC are we talking about?

Anonymous said...

PDA shore is fine. However def should have been in next bracket with BOCA and NJCSA? But then again why play the same teams you already play? However the NJCSA and BOCA final was not bad, BOCA beat them in US club cup, then NJCSA got revenge at Spirits, it is good soccer. Plus inside track the teams actually get along and talk and play with each other, surprise on this blog.

Anonymous said...

Sorry 9:14 but until shown otherwise, PDA South and MF NPL are ahead of PF NPL.

Anonymous said...

8:56 - The letters PDA only mean something if you are on the Top team or even the 2nd team. No one cares about the letters on the shirt if you are on the 4th team in your own club. Basically a rec team.

Anonymous said...

9:23.maybe your still on your first disc of Rosetta Stone English.

I asked what league has better teams. I don't put any value in GS rankings or flights.

What league has 3 better teams? I ask for 3 because all leagues come to a playoff

Typically the #1 will play the 2:3 winner.

Tell me a league with a better top 3. There might be some. I don't know all leagues.

Anonymous said...

Stating a fact is not creepy 9:17. Doesn't need to be defended. Question for you NPL guys. What are the top NPL teams this year and is there a PAGS team similar as far as where the PAGS team would finish in the NPL league? No knowledge of NPL (other than seeing names on here) here since we play a PA schedule. Checked GS rankings but that is so misleading.

Anonymous said...

10:04- i think we are on same path.

I am familiar with NE NPL: Top 3.
-PDA North Dragons
-CFC (not sure what team name will be)
-Penn Fusion NPL

Anonymous said...

No. Not really too misleading

Top NPL teams are

NENPL:

Match Fit, PDA North, PDA South Penn Fusion NPL

NYCSL: NYSC, STA, NJ Crush, ISA

EDP: NJ Wildcats, NJCSA Galaxy, TSF Academy, NJ Stallions, SJEB

Anonymous said...

New England NPL

NEFC, Oakwood, GPS and Seacoast United

Anonymous said...

So if YMS or Ukrainians were in the NPL, would they be middle of the pack? I would imagine Classics would do OK in the NPL?

Anonymous said...

Match Fit a new team in NE NPL they played EDP last Spring. Not very good. Will be able to beat up bottom 3rd of league.

Last years MF NPL team very good but merged with ECNL team for U14.

NE NPL:

PDA North, CFC, Penn Fusion then probably PDA South. PDA South had a bad weekend in Spirit. Don't know if the team had a big change but am willing to wait until league play to see what they are.

Not familiar with East Meadows new NPL team.

Anonymous said...

I guess, 10:32. Yes, YMS isa quality outfit, they'd fit with the better NPL clubs

NPL in general - if they had divisions - the top division would be very very good.

Instead they have 4 leagues, where each has 3-4 strong teams

Travel concerns, of course

Anonymous said...

10:48 define why they are not good. Do you know all of the players on the new NPL team? Unless you are a parent of a player on the team that knows the girls and each of their ability it's stupid to make that comment.

Anonymous said...

10:48 inaccurate re: Match Fit

Anonymous said...

More stupid to be offended by it. Looking at this team MF Black history since I believe that is the bulk of the roster. Never did well in NJ State Cup runs. Possibly competed in lower group of SC?? Hard to track Mf since they manipulate which team accounts get credit for what tournaments.

You can counter an opinion you don't agree with facts or opinions to support. I read some posts from people I believe were MF NPL parents saying their team has some work to do.

Anonymous said...

Haha yeah seriously offended. I'm so upset I may not ever post again

Anonymous said...

Eastern Development Program - NPL Division
1 NJ WILDCATS AVERBUCH (Spirit F1)
2 SOUTH JERSEY ELITE BARONS '01 (Stars F1)
3 TSF ACADEMY 01/02
4 NJCSA13G

NPL - New England Premier League
1 NEFC ELITE U14 GIRLS (Stars F1)
2 OAKWOOD SC
3 GPS-MA NPL GIRLS 01/02
4 SEACOAST UNITED ELITE -CS- 01/02

NPL Northeast Girls League
1 PDA North 01 NPL
2 Match Fit Academy 01 NPL
3 PDA South 01 NPL (Spirit F1)
4 Connecticut FC 01 NPL
5 Penn Fusion SA 01 NPL

NPL Virginia
1 FC VIRGINIA
2 PRINCE WILLIAM SOCCER
3 VIRGINIA RUSH ATHLETIC CLUB

New York Club Soccer League - NPL Division
1 STA (Stars F1)
2 New York SC (Stars f1)
3 NJ Crush
4 ISA

EDP - regular league

1st Division North
1 RAMAPO VALLEY SC TORNADOS '02 (Stars F1)
2 TSF ACADEMY 01/02G
3 NJ WILDCATS GALAXY
4 NJCSA ELITE 5 BEACHSIDE SC CT BEACHSIDE
6 HBC SPARK

1st Division Central
1 NJ WILDCATS AVERBUCH-NPL (Spirit F1)
2 UKRAINIAN NATIONALS BLASTERS BLACK (Spirit f1)
3 SJEB '01G NPL (Stars f1)
4 PDA SHORE FUSION
5 REAL SOUNDERS
6 LEHIGH VALLEY UNITED LVU 01 GIRLS
7 NEW JERSEY RUSH 01 GIRLS BLUE
1st Division South
1 PENN LEGACY FC 01 BLACK (Spirit f1)
2 CESC CALVERT CREW WHITE (Spirit f1)
3 1776 UNITED FC XTREME (Spirit f1)
4 HARFORD FC UNITED THUNDER (Spirit f1)
5 RAGE SC '01 ATHLETICA (Spirit f1)

PAGS D1
1 PA CLASSICS Academy 01 (Spirit F1)
2 YMS Banshees
3 HULMEVILLE Dynamo
4 HMMS Eagle FC Spirit

Anonymous said...

Correction

NPL Northeast Girls League
1 PDA North 01 NPL
2 Match Fit Academy 01 NPL (Stars F1)
3 PDA South 01 NPL (Spirit F1)
4 Connecticut FC 01 NPL
5 Penn Fusion SA 01 NPL

Anonymous said...

11:23 - I'm not 10:28 but they have no history with new players - so can someone assume they will be any different? Facts say they are MF Black aka MF Jaguars and that's the only historical data we have. It looks like they got into Stars top flight using smoke and mirrors. Last year NJX was there with an almost similar (North East vs NE) team name and did well in F1.

Anonymous said...

Well I asked a questions and I got answers. Sounds like the top four at PAGS would do ok in NPL. Classics is a tweener in some tourneys (F1-F2) and YMS seems a permanent fixture at F3.

Anonymous said...

12:11- Great job. Are those teams listed in your perceived order of best to .... almost best (very sensitive parents)?

Anonymous said...

Yes with EDP/PAGS/VA NPL to many teams to list and no some just copied from website. Of course i am no pro and if i excluded anyone i'm sorry. I also wanted to include CCL but they didn't have anything updated or I looked in the wrong place.

GS 4 Life

Anonymous said...

GS 4 life- You appear to use available information when posting. Most of us depend more on opinion and heavily on bias. Now I am about to ask you to open yourself to many attacks. I am comfortable sacrificing your credibility, ha!

What would be your top ten, non ECNL, region 1 list look like?

I don't blame you for avoiding. As I am sure you will anger some people.

Anonymous said...

Its the order that pi**es people off

If you just said - here's my ten - in no particular order, then any team left out would be left to male a case that they are better than just ONE of those teams

By listing in order teams (parents) get all upset that someone is ahead of them that they feel should not be

Anonymous said...

Yeah it pisses people off. But I like GS 4 Life's opinion. I'm sure he's attached to a team, but like the 'Soccer NUt' he never shows an emotional attachment like many do here. So lets hope he makes a list as he sees it. Won't hurt my feelings and I'm a region one guy.

Anonymous said...

People getting angry is half the fun. They are the same people who think their daughter she be getting more time. Probably at forward.

Think they are better than teams that beat them. Every time they lose, they played terrible.

Agree #GS4life (your welcome) puts some thought and investigation in most posts.

Anonymous said...

Have to have the top 5 as listed by GS

South Shore, NEFC, NJ Wildcats, Calvert, STA

Add five.

Here's one go at itL

NEW YORK SC

PENN LEGACY

GREATER BINGHAMTON

EMPIRE UNITED

OAKWOOD

Anonymous said...

i'm good with that list 348, all very good teams that on any given day can give the ecnl teams a run for the money. interesting 2 from nj? definitely agree with wildcats being included, not so sure about sta though.

Anonymous said...

Who is Oakwood and where do they play? New York team? Good list GS 4 Life, especially the top five. Not sure if STA should be with that group, but it is your list and nobody on this blog would dispute somebody's opinion.

Anonymous said...

While I think Calvert's and Wildcats should be in the conversation of top 10, who have they beat in 2015? Yes they did OK in the fall of 2014 but since beginning of 2015 they really haven't beat anyone. Also, PDA NPL North should be in the equation. And I can't comment on Oakwood or Empire United.

Anonymous said...

Lol, that's why I asked for GS 4 life.

Anonymous said...

That's not GS 4 life's list. He would have signed it.

Anonymous said...

This would apply to u13 not u14.

NEFC ELITE U14 GIRLS
NPL Champion + National Cup Champion

SOUTH SHORE SELECT U14 ELITE
Qualified for National League
MA State Champion

GREATER BINGHAMTON UNITED FC 01 SELECT
NYW State Champion
Qualified for National League

NJ WILDCATS AVERBUCH-NPL
NJ State Champion

PENN LEGACY 01 BLACK F14
PA State Champion

FC FREDERICK '01
MD State Champion
Region 1 Champion


any 4 from the below
STA MORRIS UNITED NPL 01
NYCSL NPL Champion

PDA NORTH NPL DRAGONS
NorthEast girls NPL Champion
NPL Finals Semi-Finalist

FC Virginia
VA NPL Champion

OAKWOOD SC
Runner Up New England NPL

NEW YORK SC G01
Runner up NYCSL NPL

PA CLASSICS ACADEMY 01 (PAGS Regular Season Champ)
BRADDOCK ROAD YC 01 ELITE (Spirit Results - Semi-Finalist F1)

There are few others that I can throw in that need to be part of the conversation - but they don't have hardware and if we are talking a top 10 list you need to be successful, and I think GS does a good job it's just so skewed and rewards active teams in addition to the good ones.

Well anyway rip away

GS 4 Life

Anonymous said...

u14 Tournament Season

ECNL
GP7, W6,T0,L1, GD +21 PENN FUSION SA '01G ECNL
GP4, W3,T0,L1, GD +4 FC BOSTON BBA GU14 ECNL
GP4, W2,T1,L1, GD +2 CONTINENTAL FC ECNL '01
GP3, W1,T1,L1, GD +0 ALBERTSON FURY '01 ECNL

NorthEast NPL
GP8, W5,T2,L1, GD +3 PENN FUSION SA '01G NPL
GP6, W3,T1,L2, GD +4 CONTINENTAL FC NPL '01F
GP6, W2,T1,L3, GD +3 FC BUCKS SHOCKERS
GP3, W0,T1,L2, GD -5 PDA AJAX

NYCSL NPL
GP3, W1,T2,L0, GD +1 ISA 01 NPL
GP2, W1,T0,L1, GD -1 NJ CRUSH FC TSUNAMI 01 NPL

EDP D1
GP8, W7,T0,L1, GD +16 NJCSA ELITE-MANALAPAN
GP4, W4,T0,L0, GD +16 LEHIGH VALLEY UNITED 01 GIRLS
GP4, W4,T0,L0, GD +10 PDA SHORE FUSION
GP4, W3,T0,L1 GD +9 BETHESDA SC STORM 01 (MD)
GP3, W2,T1,L0, GD +4 HBC SPARK
GP3, W2,T1,L0, GD +1 PENN LEGACY FC 01 BLACK
GP3, W2,T0,L1, GD +1 SJEB '01G NPL
GP3, W1,T1,L1, GD -3 NJ WILDCATS AVERBUCH-NPL
GP3, W1,T1,L1, GD -1 PIPELINE BLACK
GP3, W0,T3,L0, GD +0 CESC CALVERT CREW WHITE
GP6, W2,T2,L2, GD +4 PHILADELPHIA SC COPPA BLUE STORM
GP3, W1,T0,L2, GD -1 NJ REAL SOUNDERS
GP3, W1,T0,L2, GD -2 HFC READY '01
GP3, W1,T0,L2, GD -4 UKRAINIAN NATIONALS BLASTER
GP3, W0,T2,L1, GD -2 1776 UNITED FC XTREME
GP3, W0,T1,L2, GD -5 HARFORD FC UNITED THUNDER
GP3, W0,T1,L2, GD -7 RAGE SC '01 ATHLETICA

VA NPL
GP4, W2,T1,L1, GD +5 VIRGINIA RUSH GIRLS U14 (VA)

New England NPL
GP3, W0,T2,L1, GD -2 AZTEC SOCCER GIRLS 01 NPL

GS 4 life

Anonymous said...

I like it.

Anonymous said...

Just for the record - I would much rather see my kid's team connect 10+ passes multiple times in a game than win a game by steam rolling a team. If they can connect that many passes multiple times they will win more than not - let's face it the top teams are all filled with athletes these days.

But we are not talking "pretty/great soccer" we are talking teams going out and getting the result like they were NWSL teams - which is for fun of course. Well to me it is anyway.

Anonymous said...

Didn't MF NPL win the NJ State Championship?

Anonymous said...

Sorry 5:35 was me GS 4 Life

Anonymous said...

They did - but did they really?

MF ECNL got credit for the National Event that the NJ Cup was used for qualifications. How did MF ECNL play in those games if MF NPL qualified for the event, unless it wasn't MF NPL that qualified by winning the NJ Cup and it was MF ECNL.

To me that's one to many questions.

GS 4 Life

Anonymous said...

Hey - ten pass guy - you realize that sometimes this is not productive, right - and shows just how you wish to play.

Teams defending often allow the passes with just token pressure

Anonymous said...

Your point is well taken GS 4 Life. But there are a few teams that are combining great athletes and great foot skills and will always dominate. There are also a few teams out there that are getting by because they have a lot great athletes (insert PL, YMS and a few other F1 teams here). I think by next season, some of these teams will fall off dramatically.
And yes I know YMS is not F1, but they do have some big and fast girls

Anonymous said...

I'm pretty sure he realizes it, 5:50. Thanks for your $0.02.

Anonymous said...

Big and fast does not always equate to unskilled and unsavvy.

Anonymous said...

5:35, there is only one team around here that plays that style, and they get grief on here all the time, which is fine, but I take pleasure in knowing that my child is learning the game correctly, she is a beast.

P.S. She is a beauty too : )

Anonymous said...

5:50

Could you elaborate a bit more regarding your statement




Thank you.


Soccer Nut

Anonymous said...

6:18

I would be curious to hear which team plays like that- i have my own thoughts



Soccer Nut

Anonymous said...

My daughter's team plays at a fairly high level, as I'm sure most on this board do. I have yet to see any of our opponents or my daughter's team apply token pressure. Even on a possession pass back to the keeper, they pressure high to force the keeper putting the ball in the air. Not sure of what teams are using "token pressure" and allow 8 to 10 passes.

Anonymous said...

Little disappointed GS 4 life. Wildcats are not in.

A. Lost Head to Head vs PDA North in State Cup this Spring.
B. Wildcats won a State Championship. That did not include PDA. MF on MF NJX. They are still State Champions but are not better than those teams.
C. Never made a semi final game since U12.

Look at their record vs SSS, GB, PL, PDA North. I think (0-5-1) since Spring.

I do appreciate your overall knowledge of the NPL age group otherwise.


Anonymous said...

Its not the Wildcats fault that PDA or MF was not there to play them in State Cup. They can only play who is in front of them. I believe the team you listed that have the Wildcats (0-5-1), Have similar records against other top teams. GB and PL have yet to beat SS or BB.
Just realized we use initials way too much

Anonymous said...

8:40 This is where I disagree with you

A. So what? They lost by a goal - that is not domination.

B. The world doesn't stop because 2 clubs didn't send their teams, why do they care first it's GS that's taboo and know it's the NJYSA and it's NCS Cup? For real?

C. Since you brought up u12 - didn't they beat your beloved PDA teams Storm/Ajax/Dragons @ u12 oh that doesn't count only u13 does, I forgot.

I'm not saying I'm a know it all - I just try to be fair and to me they qualified for the Region1 tournament which is as impressive as PDA North winning their NPL to advance to the semi-finals. PDA North just did them one better by advancing to the Semi-finals. Spirit saw them as F1 and Stars sees PDA North as F2 - these are not my opinions these are results

G4L

Anonymous said...

If PDA Shore were in any flight but 4, they would have LOST. Talking about an over rated team just because they are PDA. They got their butts handed to them by most of the top ten NJ teams. PDA parents keep drinking the Kool Aid that someday your kids might make the Dragons, lol.

Anonymous said...

OH MY! PDA hit with two upper cuts and staggered.

Anonymous said...

7:52

Keep watching

Soccer Nut

Not sending high pressure is as much of a tactic as playing possession, knocking non penetrating passes between your back line and midfield and back again.

Not every team plays with its hair on fire, though at certain times it becomes more necessary

Anonymous said...

Curious tghing about the Match Fit comments on this board:

Posters take away from MF NE NPL becuase they are losing top players but then also take away from the ECNL team because those same players are being added.

Incredible how a small group of girls can be so important to one top tier team (last year's NENPL) and POISON to their new team

(I dont agree with this of course)

Anonymous said...

Non penetrating passes between the mid-field and back line and back again 8-10 times and no pressure. The other team must have had a five goal lead and didn't mind wasting time. So lets just say the other team sits on their half and allows this and the passes are unopposed. How would great skill in passing be attributed here? If the defensive team refuses to open up, what then? Do you then go for 20 great skillful passes in a row. Sounds like an exciting game.

Anonymous said...

PDA Shore over Wildcars 3-1.

Counterpunch!

Anonymous said...

OMG GS 4 life is a Wildcat!

Anonymous said...

10:06 & 10:16

Sitting back and countering is a very common tactic. Especially to counter a team who has or is in the process of developing great skill.

However it is a dangerous tactic as it assumes that there are no difference makers on the technical team that will not only pass a ball in pressure but will have the ability to put significant pressure based on their own creative skills -the combination of the two is what makes for a very Deadly team.

In this case a team cannot pressure and they can't sit back, The may also may have to mark a player or two which creates space.

It can indeed make for a boring game if there is not constant movement in the last half.This strategic movement is what starts to come in the latter part of u14 and u15. it is what can take clubs to the next level. Add a caging Center forward or CM and you can create havoc on teams that sit back in their own half.

Truth be told though- I myself have only seen two teams at this point that are on their way to be able to do this at the u14 level. The rest play a good solid game but their tactics are a development are a path of least resistance.


Soccer Nut




Anonymous said...

10:42 or he might be a shill?

Anonymous said...

meant to say:




"their tactics of development are usually the path of least resistance"


Soccer Nut

Anonymous said...

5:27- wildcats are 1W 0T 2L

Is 9:23 GS 4 Life?

Anonymous said...

Did GS 4 life drink too much last night?

Anonymous said...

The Wildcats are the poster child for a lot of silliness in NJ soccer.
1. There is no USSF recognition of any "academy" program on the girls side. Anyone can come in and shout "we're an academy" when there is no standard for any academy nor any USSF acknowledgement of same. That said, it does go a long way toward separating parents from their money and Wildcats have that down to an art form.
2. Confidence is good. Arrogance is deadly and it has now come up to bite Wildcats in the arse. If this needs further explanation then you don't get much of anything and you know little about this coach and his approach to communication and player development.
3. The Wildcats approach to winning and the resultant points is "ascent by recruitment" to an enormous degree followed by physical workouts designed to shock and awe the player into a fighting frenzy that works at the younger ages briefly and then implodes right about...well...now. The implosion is for 3 reasons: a) You can't whip a horse forever as they will rebel and stop running and b) Older players see that this approach is not what the game is about and c) Opponents who feature top players and well conditioned athletes are not bullied by the Wildcats approach.

Instead, these opponents take advantage of the over aggressive/bully style as has now become evident.
4. Diminishing Pool: After so many years of pissing players and parents off and so many years of bully tactics in training, with parents and with opponents, there becomes a diminished pool of players who will even consider such a team.

The net of it is that Wildcats in this age group came in a little late with a team from a local club that was below average. Those players were broomed for a second and third wave of players who did achieve a bit of success for about a year albeit against lesser teams as the best teams opted out of SC, etc. And now they are left with a small lot of players who are either scratching their heads saying "what has happened?" or a few new players, and more so their parents who failed to do their homework and instead got drunk on GS points/rankings and the "dream" of their kid signing on with the points leader.

As one poster noted, many of these points will disappear soon. Regardless, the head scratching will go on and the likelihood that this team survives is slim unless they merge with the other team that came from NJSA. That oughta be fun to watch.

Caveat emptor is an ancient saying that translates to "let the buyer be ware".

More recently, PT Barnum (or was it David Hannum) said, "there is a sucker born every minute."

Anonymous said...

Coach back at it.

Wildcats now a lower flight team, will be next to NJ Crush soon

Anonymous said...

First of all Wildcats were never a F1 team. They should be in the same conversation with teams like PDA north and south, STA and MF NPL in NJ, PA classics, 1776 in PA, NYSC in NY, Calverts in MFd, etc, these are all F2 teams and that is were they belong. That being said, while I agree with some of the very detailed analysis above, they are a good team and would give any of these other F2 Ted mentioned a run for their money.

Anonymous said...

Go back to GS4 life's top 10 non ECNL list. In reality, only NEFC, SS and PL have any argument about being a true F1 team. The rest are F2 teams.

Anonymous said...

I initially questioned Wildcats being considered a top team in the region. No idea GS 4 life was a Wildcat.

I do not know anything about their coach, training, etc. That is a different person.

I am also not a fan of GS. My daughters team is ranked very high in GS and they have been repeatedly dominated by teams ranked much lower. I used the Wildcats as an example because they are currently #1 in NJ and have a large sample size.

Wildcat parents- I am not questioning your daughters effort or ability. I am looking at the Wildcats as a TEAM purely based on posted results. Not style, effort, etc.

I feel like I killed Kenny (aka GS4Life) in a South Park episode. Sorry GS4Life, I still appreciate the way you track the NPL league standings.

Anonymous said...

10:55 if that makes you happy I'll be your Wildcat.

Go back to my list - and please feel free to put your teams in place of the teams I used. I have not seen every team play so I use google.

I listed NCS State Champions, Region1 Champion, NPL League Champions and National League teams, Since you think I'm a Wildcat I'll end with why I put them on my list that I was asked to do instead of sticking with GS.

NJ Wildcats
1. NJ NCS Champion
2. EDP Central Champion Fall & Spring
3. EDP NPL Champion
4. Played at the USYSA Region 1 Championships @ WV
5. Played at the NPL Finals @ IN
6. Was in F1 of every major they played at last season

GS 4 Life

Anonymous said...

Wildcats do a great job of building a resume that makes them look better than they are. Their coach and DOC should be commended for getting these girls exposure at the highest level.

Anonymous said...

10:28 pm..... PDA Sore 7th place finish in EDP.... Wham!

Anonymous said...

OH NO!! PDA takes a crushing right cross after counter punching earlier in the bout.

Anonymous said...

GS 4 Life. Don't let the mad heckler affect your postings. All of us on here have a rooting interest in one team or another. If he had to post what team he was from, he would never post again.

Anonymous said...

If only we could all be so lucky!

Anonymous said...

1:05 thanks - it's all good even if he continues to heckle. I just post the results he can heckle all he/she wants

Anonymous said...

PDA Ajax 3-1 over Widcats.

Left hook!

Anonymous said...

GS 4 life (AKA Keyser Soze) You are a Wildcat and that's ok. Your 9:23 post showed your true colors.

A. ignoring head to head results when determining a better team?
B. The only big wins you can recall were vs PDA at U12 (for the record they were very good wins at U12) I mentioned U12 to say that was the last time they played in a semi final game of a tournament. Translation: they were much better at U12 and then definitely were considered a top team in the region.

You want to give them credit for participation awards in big tournaments that's fine be proud.

My point was and still is that at U14 Wildcats are not a top team in Region 1 based on results/scores.

Hope you continue to keep the site updated on NPL league standings. Have a good, healthy season.

Anonymous said...

PDA AJAX win 3-1 over Wildcats using players from another team while sitting their own. Parents drink more kool aid and proclaim "but my daughter is developing by sitting".

BIFF! SHOT TO THE BODY

Anonymous said...

PDA pulls players from multiple teams within the year. Wildcats goes through 20 new players every year...out with the old, in with the new, that's development.

Both cater to suckers and dreamers. But the parents eat it up so more power to both PDA and Wildcats for playing the suckers for their money and time.

Who cares who won that game? That PDA team is nothing but a cash cow and Wildcats is in virtual rigor mortis. They're both nothing to anyone but those cashing the checks and those paying who go home each night and say, "Honey, ain't it just grand that our daughter plays for an academy?" And the other spouse responds, "More like three grand."

Anonymous said...

PDA North NPL beats Wildcats 1-0 in the "true" state cup. Only rostered players on PDA.

Clean left hook to the chin. Knock out! Fight over. Wildcats lose to the B,C and D teams of PDA at U 14.

Anonymous said...

Only real blemish you can see in the last 24 months for Wildcats is a loss to Shore Fusion.

Anonymous said...

Sounds like 6:26 was the ref and decided to knock both fighter out. Heard that PDA won the fight though as the parents threw money at the problem and paid of the judges.

Anonymous said...

SMITHTOWN KICKERS SC EMSC NPL STARS 2 FC LONG ISLAND ALLIANCE 01 2


1:45 you might be right about u14 - not off to a good start, you can keep talking about them if you want - I gave my top 12 list based off of u13 results.. Some scores from today's u14 action.

PS. I feel bad for SJEB, NEFC and EM on day one if they give up less than 15 in those 2 games it's a win next week.

GS4Life

Anonymous said...

0 GPS NJ FLASH U14G ELITE
1 NJ WILDCATS GALAXY

0 WORLD CLASS FC '01HAMM NPL
1 STA MORRIS UNITED NPL 01

2 WORLD CLASS FC '01HAMM NPL
1 GPS NJ FLASH U14G ELITE

1 WASHINGTON UNITED FEVER '02
3 PDA SHORE FUSION

5 NEFC ELITE U14 GIRLS
1 SEACOAST UNITED ELITE -CS- 01/02

10 NEFC ELITE U14 GIRLS
0 WORLD CUP SC OF GREATER NASHUA G01-02 ELITE

3 SEACOAST UNITED ELITE -CS- 01/02
2 WORLD CUP SC OF GREATER NASHUA G01-02 ELITE

3 GPS-MA NPL GIRLS 01/02
0 MASS CITY F.C. PREMIERSHIP

5 GPS-MA NPL GIRLS 01/02
0 SACHEMS FC SFC 01/02G BLUE


4 EAST MEADOW ECNL HOTSHOTZ
0 MASSAPEQUA NPL LIL' ROWDIES

0 MANHATTAN SC G01 PRIDE NPL
0 LAGRANGE RAGE

6 EAST MEADOW ECNL HOTSHOTZ
0 LAGRANGE RAGE

1 MANHATTAN SC G01 PRIDE NPL
2 MASSAPEQUA NPL LIL' ROWDIES

1 SMITHTOWN KICKERS SC EMSC NPL STARS
0 NORTH BABYLON PATRIOT SC/ SCORE F.C. PRIDE

Anonymous said...

1 REAL SHORE LAKEWOOD FC CREW
3 NJ STALLIONS ACADEMY FORCE FC NPL

2 MATCH FIT ACADEMY FC NPL BLACK 01
2 HUB SOCCER OF DENVILLE LIGHTNING

1 MATCH FIT ACADEMY FC NPL BLACK 01
0 MOUNT LAUREL UNITED FURY

Anonymous said...

What does NEFC gain from playing these teams?

Anonymous said...

PDA Shore and STA played to a tie?

Anonymous said...

Guess STA not as strong this year? Lost players?

Anonymous said...

Yes, I heard the Carli LLoyd was playing with PDA Shore, good job by STA to tie that game!

Anonymous said...

Its true, they did lose players, and they are still looking for them. You would think that a decent GPS would solve that problem, but some people are just plain stubborn when it comes to stopping at a gas station and asking directions. It was an important game, should plan better next time, perhaps an actual paper-map would of helped?

Anonymous said...

How would STA allow Lloyd to play with PDA? STA wins by forfeit!

Anonymous said...

She is not that tall, and STA have many tall players, guess it was a growth-spurt summer?

Anonymous said...

Looks like Wildcats can avenge their loss to PDA Shore in the finals of the Morris United Fall Kick Off.

Anonymous said...

That's good stuff 9:34. That has to make even the angry bloggers laugh (at least for a second or two.

Anonymous said...

MORRIS UNITED STA FALL KICK OFF 2015 Final
NJ WILDCATS GALAXY (NJ)
PDA SHORE FUSION (NJ)

Yup 2 EDP D1 teams in the final - NYCSL NPL Champion did not advance and NorthEast Girls NPL team did not advance

Anonymous said...

Lets forget about stats, I hate stats, especially when they are not self-serving. Does anyone here really think that STA is the best team in NYCSL NPL? If so, my apologies, I thought I was posting to an informed audience, my bad, carry-on.

Anonymous said...

Yes. And according to GS which is the bible for points.

Anonymous said...

Didn't they come in 1st in Spring in NYCSL? Who would you put ahead of them?

Anonymous said...

9:34 very funny. However, if they did use GPS where would they find them?

Anonymous said...

Programs like STA and NJ Crush are very mediocre, but parents don't really learn this until about u14. They really don't know what their kids should be getting taught at the younger ages and a long as they are winning, they feel that the program must be a good program.

Some are these programs are the most expensive in the state.

STA will reach the level of all the STA teams that came before them. They will be a solid F2 type team paying maximum dollars.

Have you ever researched STA's college commitment page . it will tell you all you need to know.

Anonymous said...

It doesn't matter if they are not the best, they are still the defending NYCSL NPL champions or did we forget?

Anonymous said...

STA Tournament this year is weak at best. All 2nd tier teams fighting it out for some early GS points.
Different wildcat team in finals so no avenge match there.
I'm going with PDA 3-2, only because I'm sure they brought players from their other teams.

Anonymous said...

10:54 How long as the NPL been around on the girls side? So you can not pass judgement after 3 years. Unless of course you are saying NPL is not that good for college exposure, are you? What does that say about all the ECNL B teams? Don't they play these STA, NJ crush type teams? So you are saying you would rather the parents come and spend their money at your program instead? lokks like we have some other club officials on this board recruiting. You know just planting seeds and letting us fools run with it on this board.

Anonymous said...

sorry no additional players just shore players .. But you can keep saying that if it makes you feel any better.

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