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Friday, October 17, 2014

U13G / U13 Girls Youth Soccer

U13G  / U13 Girls youth soccer seems to offer the most teams and the widest diversity of talent.

Where these players will end up is anyone guess.

Welcome to the ride.

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Anonymous said...

@9:19 - This will be my last post on the subject... I don't wan this to go on... She was the best player on the field for both teams... And I don't know their entire team, but I would be surprised if there was just one "guest" on her adopted team.
She did not dominate, but she definitely gave them a clear advantage.
My issue, why would a parent be proud of winning a tournament with a kid or two that's not on their team - bragging about it here like it's a major deal.
And if you're a parent of a kid on the bench, why are you not screaming at these practices?

Anonymous said...

Boca plz be quiet ... I saw the final not impressed at all ... Be humble take your win .

Anonymous said...

Hey 9:01

I am looking at the Fall Leagues. Besides the Pre-ECNL league, which leagues are stronger than the NE NPL?

Anonymous said...

At U12, my daughter was a guest tournament player for a lower level team in her club because of injuries and absences. She scored every goal for the team on the second day, including the goals in the finals, despite trying to get other players involved because she realized it was their team. I still wonder if the players and parents devalued the tourney win but on that day at least, they were all very happy and because of the dearth of subs, it didn't cut playing too much. Winning did seem to boost the morale and confidence of the team. But I understand your concerns and if my daughter's team only won b/c of a guest player playing well below her regular level, then I personally would place less value on the win.
And to address another comment, while it's harder at U13, a high-level difference maker will still dominate if she guests down two or more levels.

Anonymous said...

9:25

Your girls played well this weekend, I hope they are proud of themselves.

Next time you go into Jersey , you may want to leave any preconceived notions of shady practices at the bridge. Winning is all that matters. And you didn't really expect to get on here an see a display of class and dignity from the winning team, did you?

Anonymous said...

Wow, some disgruntled FC Bucks parents tonight.

Anonymous said...

@9:20, without doubt, there was lots of shutouts this weekend, 6 out of the 13 games having one team shutout and 3 of the 13 games (including the finals) ending 0-0. A large part of that was the defense but several of the teams had a hard time generating ANY offense, as evidenced by the three teams who only scored 1 goal in the tournament.

Anonymous said...

MF NPL to dumb to realize that Wildcats are mocking them about finishing behind Dragons.

NPL results are based on a full year (Fall/Spring) results. Wildcats wouldn't know this because they still play EDP.

Anonymous said...

8:40 boca carries a full roster (I think 17) thru cup and league play. I would assume this is bc, unlike academy clubs that have several teams to select from in case of injuries or absences, they only have one team at each age group. 5 subs is not abnormal for them.

Anonymous said...

Actually if Connecticut FC wins out next weekend they finish the fall season in first place in NPL. What are their chances?? PDA South stands in the way.

Anonymous said...

Our club
would never use a guest player unless we were extremely desperate.( I am saying only one on two two subs)We are so proud of our roster of 17 & stand behind them 100%. If the roster can't get the job done... They don't deserve to get the credit that one other player may have created. Wouldn't you wonder, "could they have done it without her"!!

Anonymous said...

@10:23 Good for you - agreed.
Obviously your team didn't win their division at Hammonton today.
Why would a parent or a coach get all excited with a win in a tournament while using guest players that are better than your rostered players and while you had 5 subs?

Anonymous said...

10:37 Our team had no part of any play this weekend. I am just saying our club takes great pride in our roster and the decisions they made. The coaches will stand behind that. I would disregard any scores that had action with guest players. They are fake!! That "team"can not take credit for that. That is not their "team".

Anonymous said...

Biggest Bethesda surprises for me:

BRYC

YMS Banshees

Someone posted here that BRYC was rated too high. Wow - was that ever a doozy!

Great final

BRYC allowed ZERO goals in 4 games, by the way.

Anonymous said...

8:26 - "wildcat defenders still big and tough kicking the ball down the field?"

Yes, I would pick them 1st for my kickball team. Big- yes .. tough - no

Anonymous said...

I am not surprised at all by YMS. I have been on this site for weeks saying the PA East(read that PAGS1) teams are not getting the respect they deserve, especially YMS. Rage won the patriot division as well. Throw in 1776 playing even with Match Fit NPL, Classics not losing a game, and even the Pumas beating Pipeline 3-0, and all in all a good showing. Great job girls!

Biggest surprise was Harford. Don't know if they are nursing injuries or what, but they are a better team than their showing this weekend would suggest.

Anonymous said...

NPL leagues are a little different.

They play 40 minute halves.
Once subbed out, you can not return to game that half.
Final standings will be based on both Fall and Spring record.
Top 4 teams will have a playoff to determine League Champion.

NJ NE NPL teams had a very good Fall season. Combined (PDA North, MF NPL, and PDA South) are: W24-L2-D5 96GF/22GA both loses coming in NJ vs NJ games.

Anonymous said...

U13 Pre ECNL NJ Teams (PDA and MF):

W13-L2-D4 46GF/14GA


Anonymous said...

On my not surprised list:

Penn Fusion - 1 GF, 3 GA. Similar to WAGS where they were 1 GF, 4 GA. Scoring drought continues. Time to take some finishing clinics over the winter, ladies.

Binghamton - Poster child for "big team with good athletes who kick the ball far and had lots of success at younger ages but now other teams are playing possession soccer and suddenly they are not winning so much".

NEFC - should have been in top flight

Rage - thought this would actually be an all PA final but Classics did not hold up their end of the deal

YMS - easiest pick all weekend. Flighted too low.

Surprises:

BRYC - I've seen them play. And based on their WAGS results I did not expect much of them. That's a great weekend for them. Kudos.

Match Fit pre-ECNL - I'm very surprised they gave up two goals to BRYC. Also surprised that they were tied by the Bing. And then, based on those two wins, I'm surprised that they rose up and beat Cincinnati, in a game that was a must win for Cincinnati. Weird weekend for them.

Wildcats - Based on this board, I was expecting a bunch of thuggish cheap shot artists with crazy parents. Pleased to say this was not true. Parents were fine. And I've seen much more physical teams than Wildcats. Probably one of the best things they do is switch the field as their girls have the leg strength to do that. And they have some midfielders that have some nice skills. That all being said, yeah, they played direct, not quite like how NJX plays exclusively direct, but the end goal of each passing sequence seemed to be to boot a long through ball to a striker who was waiting waiting waiting for the right time to take off on a sprint. Sometimes it would be a defender who just booted the ball forward, other times it was the midfielders stringing three passes together before playing it back for a big boot from the holding mid.

So yeah, direct. But it is completely unfair to say that they pack it in and wait for a breakaway. They were a good team. I'd say better than MF NPL and PDA South, but not as good as MF pre-ECNL and PDA pre-ECNL, which is where a lot of others have ranked them.

FC Virginia - Can't classify it as a surprise as I had never seen them before, but I just wanted to mention how impressed I was with this team. They are very fast and skilled. They always seemed to have numbers, all over the field. I think they are better than PDA pre-ECNL. Their parents sucked, but I liked that I barely heard a peep out of their coach.

Anonymous said...

7:27

I agree!

Watched them play this weekend.

As previous poster said they just kick the ball down the field.

They are not particularly fast but they are big.


Best way to play defense a this age is to make sure the ball gets cleared from the back. That is what they do.

To be fair, it is effective as you can keep a score down and begin a counter attack.


It will grow tiresome in next year and team will fade into oblivion like their older teams. This team will be no different then any team in the wildcat club.


Anonymous said...

They are very much like old NJX(MF NPL) and that is why both teams usually tie each other. Both teams can compete with almost anybody because they are extremely athletic. The problem here is the wildcats team is going to be this exact team moving forward. Academy programs will be mixing the talent. So the ECNL teams will all mostly improve as this team is already where it will be for next season...

Anonymous said...

8:41, great recap., but please tell us why the FCV parents were sucky, since we can all relate to that, what did they say to irritate you? I am just curious, and I need a good laugh.

Cheers!

Anonymous said...

If I were in the Wildcats' shoes, I'm not sure I'd care too much about where the team will be moving forward. Those kids have gathered together for a nice run over the last few years and they'll get to look back on it some day and swap stories about how they won states and some tournaments. Maybe that run will continue. Maybe it won't. Not sure I'd care if I was a Wildcat parent.

My kid plays for a pre-
ECNL team. And they're a good team. But they're good because they've pretty much taken the best players from about four town teams. They weren't developed at the ECNL club. The ECNL teams will pass Wildcats by, but it's because of their recruiting advantage.

Anonymous said...

The FCV parents sucked because they moaned and groaned about every call. Even when the calls went their way. And they had two of those moms with voices that just grate on your ears. The team is good enough that the parents should just act like they've been there before. It was like being at a U6 rec-league game with a bunch of first time parents.

Anonymous said...

@8:41am. BRYC's B team plays WAGS. The A team plays CCL and won the Colonial League last year.

Anonymous said...

@6:46PM Boca a win with guests that are better than anyone on your team, that play almost the whole game is not anything to brag about.

You shouldn't draw so much attention to yourself.

jussayin'

Anonymous said...

9:06 Thanks.
You are right that wildcat team is only team in their club playing at this elite level and is hanging even with teams from big clubs that have elite teams at every age group and get their pick of hundreds at tryouts while this wildcats team has had to scramble to roster 14 or 15 each year. There are players on wildcats who would never get a 2nd look at tryouts by nj ecnl clubs but have become competitive at this level through hard work, determination and perseverance. Our girls have gained great confidence in themselves during the teams rise and regardless of how long this ride among the very best teams lasts they will have as you say a State Title and their other accomplishments and great memories of what they did TOGETHER as a TEAM against all odds and all the doubters and haters who said they couldn't do it and would never be considered among the top teams.

Anonymous said...

9:06- Can you support the "Wildcats nice run" with some examples please?

This team is always a lightning rod on this site but I can't find real soccer accomplishments. I think they won their first U13 tournament game this weekend?

Anonymous said...

Thanks 9:10, that really is too bad. For better, or for worse, a team is judged not only by the players, but by the parents, which is completely unfair to the girls, but such is life.

Being a winner means being classy, if you’re not, then all the championships in the world cannot buy you the one thing that everyone secretly craves, respect.

Anonymous said...

8:05 - PAGS teams did show well this weekend and even win but they did it all at lower divisions. The 2 highest ranked teams didnt get 1 win.Then the league champion cant even win the 3rd flight? What? The team that won the 3rd flight was 500 in PAGS 1. Then YMS wins the 4th flight! They beat some poor teams down there. They beat an NPL team with 2 wins and an Pre ECNL team wiht 1 in their respective leagues. the toughest team the played was Pipeline.(who is not that good)
Penn Fusion didnt do well in the top Div either(no wins).I know they are not a PAGS team but a PAE team.
So for PAE teams to get credit they need to step up and beat some top teams. Where was Penn Legacy?

Anonymous said...

Does it really matter what parents say on the sidelines of games?
Does anyone ever hear a parent put down or berate a player on another team? If parents on other teams want to coach their kids from the sidelines, I say go for it. What that means is the kid is not paying attention to the coach or the game because all they hear is their annoying parent.
I tell my kid not to listen to fans on the sidelines but she hears them. She always tells me things they say. I tell her not to listen.

Anonymous said...

and I'm sure that the MF Pre-ECNl parents just can't wait for the NJX parents to join them....

"Anonymous said...
MF npl lost to NEFC 0-1 who won flight. Your point is? NEFC is every bit as good as any team in other flight. They are undefeated in ne npl and this league is a full year. Unlike other point grabbing bush leagues. Plus, this team gets to merge with pre ecnl team. End of the road for you though. So keep trying to knock. You are done..... peaking at u13.... ouch. It obviously is bothering you since you feel the need to bash others to make yourself feel better as usual. Not one other team has today. Again, as usual you lead in the DB/white trash category..... one category you will always be #1 in. Can you get GS points for that? Lol.

November 16, 2014 at 7:09 PM

Anonymous said...

Wildcats only undefeated team through 3 seasons of EDP Central play.

17 wins
0 losses
6 ties
Some very good wins in there as Central was toughest league in northeast last fall and spring and still has some very tough teams this season(Calvert, wildcats, Hartford, STA)

Anonymous said...

10:55 That would be considered a nice run combined with sate cup win and 500( 1 win 1 loss 4 ties (3 Goals 3GA) record vs 6 pre-ecnl teams at WAGS Cup and Bethesda top flights this fall.

Anonymous said...

Who are you comparing the PAE teams to? NJ? That came out pretty even. Er, exactly even: W-D-L of 1-3-1; GF 3, GA 3.

NJ vs PAE at Bethesda

Penn Fusion 0 Wildcats 0
Match Fit NPL 0 1776 0
Rage Athletica 2 NJCSA 0
PA Classics 1 NJ Crush 1
Match Fit Black 2 Continental NPL 0

Anonymous said...

Going back past the fall season is meaningless at this point. As is pointed out on numerous occassions, teams are much different each season as their is a lot of player movement. You can only brag on what your team has accomplished so far this fall. It appears some teams have gotten better, some have stayed the same and some have taken a step backword. Thoughts?

Anonymous said...

7:09pm and 11:11AM -MF NPL now resorting to racial slurs(white trash) while claiming the high ground.

Anonymous said...

You beat Calvert you win EDP central. How is that close to the other leagues? These other programs are playing several tough games in their leagues. You can say recruiting all you want but that is the next step. I think that is all people are saying. If you would want to be with a "program" wouldn't you want to be able to get to the next level next season?

Anonymous said...

It depends what you mean by "matter", 11:08. I hope it does not matter to my daughter's performance on the field.

But it does matter to the spectators. The loud angry sideline parent who shouts the whole game sucks. The parent who blows an air horn after their team scores sucks. The parent who encourages retaliation after a foul sucks. The parent who uses "someone's gonna get hurt out there" as a threat sucks.

Anonymous said...

11:21 - I think there was some sarcasm in 11:11's post and was essentially making the same point as you.

Anonymous said...

Everything on this board is a reaction to a Wildcat attack. That is the issue. Stop bashing and attacking and all will be well...... All post strings start with a Wildcat attack on a team and then the reaction is basically consistent from all teams. Which means you are what you are.....

Anonymous said...

We will continue to work with what we have as long as they want to stay and develop our players.
We have never cut a player from our team. We never will.
To each his own.

Anonymous said...

11:26- I like that post. About your own club. Usually it is that post with an attack. All good all day to hear you want to keep developing with what you have. And good luck with that as it has worked so far.

Anonymous said...

11:25 no your post was the only one to use a racist comment(DB/white trash), sarcasm or not.
Please don't try and spin it as all the same.
Sarcasm and jokes are fine, but racist and personally demeaning comments and name calling of individuals have no place on the blog.
It's supposed to be all in fun after all.

Anonymous said...

"@8:41am. BRYC's B team plays WAGS. The A team plays CCL and won the Colonial League last year. "

Are you saying that BRYC's B team was in the top flight at the WAGS Columbus Day tournament?

Anonymous said...

Perhaps someone with a better understanding of the GotSoccer point system can confirm this, but won't Wildcats get points for being a semi-finalist - even though there wasn't a true semi-finals - and with those points move up to 1st or 2nd in the nation? That would be an interesting result as they were probably only the 4th or 5th best team at Bethesda.

Anonymous said...

11:30 Thanks.
We don't have to be the very best team so what you ask from us to prove to you is not our goal.
We are doing fine being able to compete with ANY of the teams from the big clubs and qualify and play competitively in the top flights of the best tournaments.That will develop our girls and get them exposure. And our girls are happy and they like each other and the parents are friendly and hang out together and it is not cut throat as our girls and our parents are not looking over their shoulders wondering who will take their roster spot each season.
We have 15 players and all play good minutes in every half of every game no matter how IMPORTANT or MEANINGFUL the game is.
And I am happy about that and that I have found that situation for my daughter to grow and develop in as a soccer player and a confident young person.

Anonymous said...

@11:34, that was a mistake. BRYC's top team was in the WAGS tournament.

Anonymous said...

11:38 and that is somehow wildcats fault? The teams just play the games in front of them.
We don't make the rules or influence GS.
Other teams from nj are and have been ranked that high when they weren't accurate.

Anonymous said...

top teams in my opinion

I dont care who made finals

Cincinnati Cup
FC Virginia
Match Fit
BRYC
NJ Wildcats
Penn Fusion
Maryland
GB

Cincinnati team, looked so good.

Anonymous said...

Good riddance to the parents of the MF npl team that think they are moving on to the amazing Ecnl team. Hope the grass is greener and you earn your playing time.

Anonymous said...

11:52 didn't BRYC beat MF 2-0 at Bethesda? And didn't BRYC make the finals over MF and lose in shootout to FCV? Other than overranking their own team those ratings are pretty fair from what we saw this weekend.

Anonymous said...

11:18 - not comparing PAE to any other state. I dont think the PAGS in that actually played the better teams did well. IF YMS would have lost in the 4th flight that would have been terrible. I think the surprise for PAE was Rage winning. Even if it was in the 3rd flight.

Anonymous said...

@2:40 wrong, BOCA wins! here they come, they have been talking for months on here. next weekend will be there swan song

Anonymous said...

11:30 - I posted 11:11. My intent regarding the post from last night was excatly the same as yours. low class and uncalled for. maybe you should go back and re-read my lead-in to what i quoted from 7:09PM. - when you read it, put yourself in the shoes of an MF Pre-ECNL parent and apply the intended sarcasm.

Anonymous said...

11:38 - I would rank Wildcats 6th or 7th in the top flight of teams at Bethesda. Now the final score of games didn't show that but game play did.

Anonymous said...

11:30 so this post below justifies the racist rant?
What is inaccurate about the post below to elicit a racist attack in response?

anonymous said...

"mf npl did not advance.
They won 1 game in B flight.
Also finished behind Dragons in npl league".

November 16, 2014 at 6:50 PM

Anonymous said...

"Boca.....just saying" (@6:46PM)

Is that the best you can do GAK-ster?

Or should we call you -- BOAK-ster?

We are use to "GAK is WAK".

How about "Boca is Wak".....Naah, doesn't sound right.

Maybe.....Boca gets Wacked this weekend, maybe that sounds right.
Unless, they bring 11 guest players.

Anonymous said...

11:58 I was not going by results, I was going by style of play and players.

If was going to be unrealistic about levels of play and route for my team. I would have said this

FC Viginia
NJ Wildcats
Penn Fusion
BRYC
Cincinnati Cup
Match Fit
Maryland
GB

I like my daughters team, reality is that are team can compete and tie many of these teams based on our style.

My first list was based on style that I was able to see.


Anonymous said...

12:20 my, my now mathcFit is posing as wildcat parent.
Too funny.

Anonymous said...

yes, clearly trying to duck responsibility for ridiculous past at 11:52AM ranking his MF team above BRYC who beat MF head to head 2-0 this weekend and took FCV to shootouts in finals. Nice try though.
didn't MF also tie Binghamton this weekend? 1 good showing in 3 games does not rank you third in that flight.
2 of 3 results for MF this weekend were disappointing.
can't rank them 3rd of 8 this weekend. 4 or 5 would be fair based on this weekends performance.

Anonymous said...

The ranking this past weekend purely by records and GF/GA would go as below:

FC VA
BRYC
Ciny
NJ Wildcats
MF
MD United
Penn Fusion
GB

Now everyone can have their own opinions on how the ranking would go. Who played a nicer game. Whose team your daughter plays on. Whose fans are the biggest jerks.

Anonymous said...

11:12- Wildcats have never finished first in their EDP division. Now that NJX and PDA have moved onto NPL they might finally finish first.
Their State Cup title an empty win without PDA and MF as well
Think they have won 1 U13 tournament game? 1win in around 10 U13 tournament games?
That's a real nice run.

Anonymous said...

I was there this weekend. MAPS freezing cold, any girl or guy on the fields Saturday between 8-12, wow. give them credit. boca wins, hard to beat them up. that FC Bucks team was very good, had a great striker up front. I don't think they had one or two guests top with boca, that is so common to have guests the tourney allows it, cannot use excuse as winning. I watched boca and gfa finals at same time next to each other, gfa for U14 girls looking good and boca, come on give that little team much, much credit with EDP wins, EDP tourney wins, not this tourney win and open cup wins on and on.

Anonymous said...

Good for BOCA. People complaining about guest must be from Jersey teams. Bucks people don't know these kids and really don't care one way or the other. The fact that Bucks had 1 sub and played without 5 starters including their best keeper gave some others an opportunity. Does it matter that much? This team has taken its lumps in the pre-ECNL this Fall with an eye on the future. They have talent, just not enough right now. How about a year or 2 from now when Bucks has a legit ECNL team? Will it matter then? Just saying what exactly?

Anonymous said...

1:15- Exactly right. NJ Top 5 teams all play for MF and PDA. If you exclude them, then Wildcats would be #1.
Wildcats, STA, Crush, TSF and Boca.

Anonymous said...

Wildcats record off gotsoccer site:

U13 Tourneys (Spirit, WAGS, Bethesda)

1W- 2L- 6T

U12 Tourneys this calendar yr

8W- 1L - 4T

Anonymous said...

1:30 - I guess you are assuming girls will come to Bucks. I guess you are basing this on the older ECNL bucks teams. There are 2 other ECNL teams in EPA. Why wouldnt the girls go to CFC or Penn Fusion? Aren't all the EPA ECNL teams close?
"They have talent, just not enough right now. "
Well according to their record they have not shown it. They have the worst GD at -31 in the league.

Anonymous said...

Congrats to ALL the NY Cup Gold Flight bracket winners:

A Bracket-WC Charlton
B Bracket-NYSC
C Bracket-EM HOTSHOTZ*
D Bracket-MASSAPEQUA ROWDIES
E Bracket-INTENSE SOCCER ACADEMY
F Bracket-MANHATTAN PRIDE

*HOTSHTZ still not crowned, tie against FC Westchester solidifies 1st place.

Wildcards:
WC HAMM
ATLETICO
LAGRANGE

Last Spot still to be determined: HBC SPARK, YANKEE UNITED, SABA BROOKLYN all in contention.

Anonymous said...

1:15pm and 1:33pm- Then answer this question - Why are wildcats now at U13 consistently flighted in top flight of the very best tournaments(WAGS Cup, Bethesda),
while MF NPL at U13 is consistently flighted in B(2nd flight) flights of competitive regional tournaments(Stars of Mass, Bethesda)?
Now either you are mistaken or your opinion is not resonating with those who are making the decisions of which teams are at the highest level of competition.

Anonymous said...

2:01 yes, attacks on wildcats are getting more and more desperate.
Ignore them as they want to be in the top flights you are in.
Sour grapes is all.

Anonymous said...

I am not assuming anything, just keeping it real. Plenty of talent to go around. GD is irrelevant to them at this time. They don't play to keep the score close or with the back packed bombing balls down the field. IMO they are actually overly unconcerned with results but its their call. They play with 3 backs a lot of the time. They score a good amount of goals. They obviously have their own agenda just like you have yours. Let's talk again in about 18 months.

Anonymous said...

First of all, the person who won't shut up about Boca is absolutely the former GAKster. Daughter is with Boca now, and the irritating, over-inflated self worth is consistent.

But here's the thing about Boca. They're not a bad team. They're not a great team, but they're not a bad team. They're just like every other team currently not named MF/PDA/Wildcats (I'll include Wildcats even though I hate their chest-beating, look-at-me childishness, too). There are so many teams currently ranked between 8 and 30 that could change places with each other 1,000 times between now and the end of it all if none of them made any roster moves. Boca, Atlantic Utd, PDA Shore, Medford, SJEB, NJ Rush, Mercer, STA, NJCSA, Crush, TSF. Let's be honest, they're all basically the same with different uniforms on. Boca has some things that work. But they haven't separated themselves from this pack yet and likely won't. And that's ok. It doesn't mean their girls are wasting their time. But I don't imagine they're going to be getting any better over time as long as they're not ECNL, NPL, or Region1. There's just no draw for talented girls who are leaving one team and looking for another.

So GAKster/BOCAster, I know why you're doing what you're doing. Trying to drive awareness of a decent club in hopes that other players may consider you as an option if they're shopping around, but it's not going to happen, and you're just annoying.

Embrace what you are. A decent team with a decent group of girls. But you're not going to be taking the world by storm despite what you want to believe.

Rant over.

Anonymous said...

1:36. That would put the Wildcats winning % at around 10%. Keep in mind they are always the higher ranked team per GS.

3 tournaments and 1 win, that's a great run!

Anonymous said...

2:21pm see 2:01pm.

Anonymous said...

@2:17 actually a nice rebuttal about boca. agree with all and I am close to boca, not even sure who GAKster is. But I don't mingle much with parents, they are toxic in general. of course usually the pda, mf ecnl and all your claims are very close to correct. I was at the tournament, watched much great soccer. I do believe a persons will to win is hard to fight with, a U13 girls will to win and fight is hard to discount ever

Anonymous said...

Comment on the MAPS Challenge....that TBAA Strykers team showed well, even thought they did not place, they lost to Boca and Thistle by only 1 and beat FC Copa 2-0. Maybe a team to keep an eye on???

Anonymous said...

First off MF cannot have two teams in same flight. Secondly this is the last year they use GS points to flight these top tourneys. So your inflated league points get you the call. Please don't deny your inflated points as it is easy to see on line. Take it all day this year because that is gone next year. The top flights will be all the newly strengthened ECNL teams.

Anonymous said...

All about being in the right spot U14-16. What we have all been saying this entire year..... That is the debate. Where is the best place for you girl.

Anonymous said...

This is getting ridiculous. Some of these attacking posts are turning me into a Wildcats supporter. Which a month ago I thought would be impossible.

The team is good! But they're actually not crowing about it. All the recent posts are in defense of their team. Which you can hardly blame them for. Give it a rest for a while, will ya?

Anonymous said...

Why is it always "next year" with the ecnl. After we merge teams, after we attract better players after this after that. Same things are being said by u-14s, u-15's etc. Plenty of ecnl teams in bottom div of college showcase tournaments. Nothing special. Its the individusl teams that matter, coaches and chemistry not the label. Put your daughter in the best program you can where she will have a possitive experience. Then sit back and enjoy it.

Anonymous said...

2:53

Correction. Wildcats posted at 5:28 last night how well they did over the weekend and that was better than all of the other NJ teams. It was the first post about the tournament. They deserve the knocking if they come on here boasting.

Anonymous said...

@1:16 I must agree. That BOCA team has come a long way. Maybe they aren't ECNL but they have consistently been bringing forth wins in tournaments, EDP (although lower bracket) and recent EDP Open Cup games. Those all can't be discounted. Maybe someone has been stirring the pot on here to create some drama with them (don't know GAKster) but in my opinion they deserve some credit for putting forth the hard work. Yes, maybe next weekend they don't do well against those higher level teams but don't discount them for trying. You would be calling them out for dodging competition if they didn't. Stop picking on 12 year old girls and congratulate them on a win.

Anonymous said...

2:59.

Correction, the boasting post was at 5:17PM

Anonymous said...

You need to go back to November 15, 2014 at 12:53 PM and read about 10-15 posts. That's when the bashing started.

Anonymous said...

2:53 You should take your daughter there.

Where are the Wildcats being attacked? I don't think listing the facts is attacking. All the recent posts have been about results:

-Never finished first in their EDP League
-Have won 1 out of 9 U13 Tournament games.


Anonymous said...

Wildcats,

Ignore the negative rhetoric, play your game, improve your skills, and win EDL in the spring, that will get you a trip to NPL Finals, and with that the respect you deserve.

NYE Guy.

Anonymous said...

Please don't tell me the Wildcats are now getting sympathy and/or pity. I am going to gag.

Not a hater or supporter, just an observer.

Anonymous said...

"2:53 You should take your daughter there.

Where are the Wildcats being attacked? I don't think listing the facts is attacking. All the recent posts have been about results:

-Never finished first in their EDP League
-Have won 1 out of 9 U13 Tournament games.

November 17, 2014 at 3:10 PM"

That's not facts, 3:10. That's spin. What's their record and goal differential? Who was their competition? Nothing wrong with being biased, but you could at least man up and own your bias.

Anonymous said...

3:38, agreed, its more than just facts. As far as being a sympathizer, I could care less, but I do think you guys pile-on too much. Wildcats do not help their cause by responding, ignore if possible.

Wildcats are the poor orphans, looking for space at the NJ Soccer Elite table, good luck with that.

NYE Guy.

Anonymous said...

2:01

Whay are Cats flighted higher than MF NPL?

Because MF teams did not play State Cup

Wildcats are riding the wave of the SC title. Its deserved. But no need to knock MF NPL for it.

If they play 10 times it would be 3-3-4.

Anonymous said...

3:10

Today is not the day to bring up the Wildcats tourney record

Quality win yesterday vs a MD United ECNL team that was playing for something.

Anonymous said...

Not to mention pretty much all their posts are from their self promoting, top teams are afraid of us, we never lose but have a lot of ties but don't lose, and bla blah blah and make sure you come to my extra$$$ training CHOACH.

Anonymous said...

What’s wrong with you people? I mean, do you actually chuckle to yourself after you make your little posts. There, alone in the dark, in the basement of your Mom’s house, chuc-kle.

NYE Guy

Anonymous said...

3:28 hahaha those are facts

1 tournament win in 9 games
Never won their EDP Division

Wildcat parents very busy today. They are comical and very transparent.

Anonymous said...

3:41 doesn't every tournament team play for something?

Please post the schedule for us to comment on Tournaments.

Anonymous said...

3:39pm's post is factually incorrect.
Wildcats top flighting for WAGS Cup AND Bethesda came out Before state cup title was won, and likewise MF NPL 2nd flighting at Stars of Mass and Bethesda was decided before State Cup was over and points awarded.
At least post the facts.
You live in an alternative reality.
So stop saying you just post the facts please.

Anonymous said...

4:28- Wildcat coach- You agree with the facts posted in 4:10 posts, right? You have won 1 out of 9 games played at U13 tournaments this year. You have never won your league when NJX and PDA were in them?

.


Anonymous said...

This is stupid, 4:10.

2 losses in 9 tournament games. You see how that works?

The aim of my posts is to point out how unjust you are being. What is the aim of your posts? What's your point?

Anonymous said...

reread 3:39pm.
Factually incorrect post.
State Cup win and points had no bearing on flighting this fall for either team as it came after flights were posted.
wildcats record vs 6 ecnl teams at Wags Cup and Bethesda is 1 win 1 loss and 4 ties.

Anonymous said...

My point is that that have only won 1 game out of 9 and they NEVER won their EDP division.

Not sure what part your not understanding?

Anonymous said...

reread 3:39pm.
Factually incorrect post.
State Cup win and points had no bearing on flighting this fall for either team as it came after flights were posted.
wildcats record vs 6 ecnl teams at Wags Cup and Bethesda is 1 win 1 loss and 4 ties.

Anonymous said...

4:45 another factually incorrect post.
Clinched 1st in EDP already at 6-0-0 with 2 games still in hand.

Anonymous said...

4:13

No. Often the third game is just a game vs a team that cannot advance. In this case Maryland United was still alive to advance to a final.

Glad to clear that up for you

Anonymous said...

Bitter and jealous are no way to go through life.

Congratulations on your fall season Wildcats.

The success of your team flies in the face of the alternate reality some of these people are living in.

Keep up the good work, your girls have earned the right to be proud of themselves.

Anonymous said...

All the New Jersey teams were flighted correctly at Bethesda

Cant really be refuted.

Anonymous said...

OFFICIAL Bethesda flights were not out til November

State Cup final was in October

Anonymous said...

I am sure if PDA Storm applied, Wildcats would have been moved to 2nd tier.

Anonymous said...

Listen, no matter what Wildcats do the one or two bloggers that monopolize the blog with the ongoing hate are never going to cut them a break. So what, they only won one game in fall tournaments. You see ALOT of ties in top flight of tournaments or a 1 goal win because they are playing at the highest level in that particular tournament and teams are fairly even. What about the many other teams that do the same.
To talk about how they haven't won a edp division when pda or NJX was in it is just a stupid comment.
If you want to split hairs how come pda ecnl couldn't win the EDP cup? Your logic is way off! They should have breezed through that tournament but didn't. That to me is a MUCH bigger topic because they are expected to win and they don't. Seems that people don't like wildcats because you expect them not to do well and they somehow seem to get the results.

Anonymous said...

5:32 yes and results back up your point.
MF ECNL and Wildcats both 1-1-1 in top flight.
MF NPL 1-1-1 in B flight.
NJCYSA Galaxy 1-1-1 in C flight.
Not sure about other jersey Teams at Bethesda.

Anonymous said...

5:36 you have posted another factually incorrect post.
Here below are the Bethesda flights correctly posted on this blog on october 17th.
State cup final was 9 days later on oct 26th. Do you just make this stuff up or what?
Anonymous said...
Bethesda Flight Guess with preview if flights are as below:

Looking forward to Cincinnati vs MF game result winner winsthe bracket.
FC Virginia my favorite to beat on pennFusion for the other bracket

CINCINNATI UNITED CUP GOLD (OS)
MATCH FIT ACADEMY FC PRE ECNL (NJ)
GREATER BINGHAMTON FC 01 SELECT (NYW)
BRYC 01 ELITE (VA)

FC VIRGINIA PRE-ECNL 01 (VA)
PENN FUSION SA '01G ECNL (PAE)
NJ WILDCATS AVERBUCH (NJ)
MARYLAND UNITED FC 01 ECNL (MD)
===================================
Harford in a good spot to make final.
NEFC vs MF NPL is my game to watch in this flight winner wins flight not just bracket.
We also get to see PA's 1776 play some teams we all know well MF NPL & NEFC.

EMPIRE REVOLUTION ROCHESTER 01/02 (U12) (NYW)
BETHESDA SC ACADEMY 2001 BLUE (MD)
HARFORD FC UNITED THUNDER (MD)
HMMS EAGLE FC 01 SPIRIT (PAE)

NEFC ELITE U13 GIRLS (MA)
MATCH FIT ACADEMY FC NORTH EAST NPL (NJ)
WNY FLASH ACADEMY 2014 FLASH ACADEMY GU12 (NYW)
1776 UNITED XTREMES (PAE)
===================================
I'll go with Rage since this is a toon up for their Super Y finals in December
PA guy said PA Classics is a solid team let's see howthey do against to NYCSL NPL teams
NJ Crush and ISA - my pick is NJ Crush.

VICTORY EXPRESS SC PLATINUM (PAW)
NJCSA GALAXY (NJ)
RAGE SC '01 ATHLETICA (PAE)
MARYLAND UNITED FC 01 RED (MD)

PA CLASSICS ACADEMY 01 (PAE)
NJ CRUSH FC TSUNAMI (NJ)
FC FREDERICK '01 (MD)
ISA 01 NPL (NYE)
===================================
The 4th Flight is wide open.
YMS BANSHEES (PAE)
BEACH FC 01G RED (VA)
FC STARS OF MASS NPL (MA)
CONTINENTAL FC DELCO ECNL '01 (PAE)

SOUTH CENTRAL PA 01 LADY LIONS (PAE)
PHWM SC PUMAS (MD)
PIPELINE SC BLACK (MD)
MCLEAN YOUTH SOCCER U13 PRE-ECNL (VA)
=================================
Anyone else??

October 17, 2014 at 12:55 PM
Anonymous

Anonymous said...

Looks like tournament director had flights made out before state cup ended and that was obviously NOT a factor for either team.

Anonymous said...

based on Wildcats earlier work, no doubt.

State Cup just confirmed it.

Anonymous said...

Wildcat coach, why do you keep responding to this MF NPL parent who can't stand being 2nd banana in his own club and can't handle the success of your team in his own backyard. Used to be the big dog, but not anymore. NJX is gone. Soon top players will be absorbed into MF or PDA ECNL. What happened to the debate about who was going to be the ECNL team and where they would train? How'd that work out for you.

Anonymous said...

So....

take what was already judged by a very reputable committee (Bethesda), add a State Cup title, then add a win over a very impressive pre ECNL club on their home turf

Makes little sense that posts would degrade Wildcats, excepting of course the "style" purists.

STYLE does often lose. This even at the pro level. Never forget this,

Anonymous said...

6:20 wasn't that when MF NPL was going to get 8 of their players on pre-ecnl team at U14 and train in Hazlet?
Or how about when they told you your 8 on pre-ecnl team would train in Hazlet and the other 8 from old Black Team would train up north and you would only have to make trek up north to 1 session per month. Other than that team would only get together on game day.
Is that still on the table?

Anonymous said...

No best one was DOC would take over training and coaching until U14 when they would combine for pre-ecnl.
How is that working out?

Anonymous said...

MF offering enough by us. You guys have peaked at U13. We get to compile a team of the top kids. We will see where you are with same kids next year..... Makes me laugh that you get so jacked up about winning 1 tourney game against an average team instead of asking yourself what kind of soccer you played. You have officially become the king of kick ball and attack. Will keep you competitive now but come on back next season and let me know How things are..... The short sighted academy. Seems to be a pattern for that at your place. Numbers Never lie.

Anonymous said...

Boca?Seriously stay off the board.The only people that talk about Boca is Boca.Stop coming on the board to talk about your team.Nobody cares.You are a non factor.

Anonymous said...

8:11 last year you said Wildcats peaked at U12.

Anonymous said...

Now THAT is mythology, 8:11

MD United far from an average soccer team.

And we're not talking about next year.

Anonymous said...

Give Wildcats credit for playing tough. Other than 3/1 loss to Ajax they have kept every game close.
They are tough to score on and should be considered a top 5 team in NJ.
MF black had a good showing in Bethesda. Only NJ team to make finals.

Anonymous said...

8:11 You are correct wildcats will have basically the same roster next year.
Other than possibly filling 1 or more of their 3 open roster spots, while you will "compile" players from multiple teams which of course will mean some of your current players will be cut or replaced.
We will look to improve and develop the players we have.

Anonymous said...

None of the nj teams advanced to finals at Bethesda.

Anonymous said...

MF Black, not a lot of chatter about that team. I'm sure parent bloggers like it that way. Quietly putting something together.

Anonymous said...

@8:45 actually bucks were complaining about boca having a guest player last weekend

Anonymous said...

9:45 - Sorry to say but MD United is just an avg team

Anonymous said...

I didn't think the ecnl had average teams, only elite teams playing in their super-leagues.

And if MD United is average what does that say about FCV and PF?

Just can't give credit where credit is due.

Anonymous said...

They play against the best kids in Region 1 every weekend with some resulting tough outcomes. They don't know or care about some random guest player at a November tourney. You're looking to prolong a non story. You should be happy you won and move along.

Anonymous said...

They play against the best kids in Region 1 every weekend with some resulting tough outcomes. They don't know or care about some random guest player at a November tourney. You're looking to prolong a non story. You should be happy you won and move along.

Anonymous said...

No the best thing about MF is still to come. For another fee we will give your daughter technical training during the winter. What type of training did you get for $2500 during the season? Been there done that, get out now people. They cater to the players they deem exceptional or elite and all the others keep feeding the machine. Ones that leave will be replaced by girls who really think they made something big, when its all about you replacing funds

Anonymous said...

Looks like GS has updates and teams have moved to show a little more accuracy.

Anonymous said...

FCV is a good team. PF is just an avg team

Anonymous said...

10:40. MF black advanced to finals in Bethesda. Keep scrolling all the way down to the 6th or 7th group.

Anonymous said...

MF Black lost the final - to an NPL club - or you;d have read more about them here

Anonymous said...

Got soccer will be more accurate if they manually enter pre ECNL and NE NPL Fall results. My top 10

1. PDA Storm
2. MF pre ECNL
3. Wildcats
4. PDA North
5. MF NPL
6. STA
7. PDA South
8. Crush
9. TSF
10? Could put about 4 to 5 teams in this spot

This is how I would rank the current U13 NJ teams based on Fall results.

I have a sleeper team that I think could move into top ten by then end of Spring...PDA Shore Fusion.

Anonymous said...

The only change I would make is PDA South ahead of STA. Other than that I agree.

Anonymous said...

I haven't seen PDA North, STA, or TSF, but I agree with the relative positioning of the other teams.

Anonymous said...

Has PDA North done enough to be ahead of MF NPL? Has PDA South fallen that far? Has STA been consistant enough to be a top 6 team? Have the Wildcats done enough to be ahead of the ECNL teams? Where would NJSCA stand?

Anonymous said...

"FCV is a good team. PF is just an avg team "

PF is 3-1-1 against PDA pre-ECNL, MF pre-ECNL, Wildcats, MF NPL, and PDA South. Are the top teams in NJ "just avg" as well?

Anonymous said...

Problem with ranking is not enough head to head and where do the "points" come from?
PDA north- has gotten better but needs to relax as they really have not beaten anybody that they lost to many times. That being said they have not lost to a bad team either.
MF NPL- same thing. Not beaten many top teams but have not lost and only gave up 2-3 goals this Fall.
Wildcats- tough team but got all their points by beating STA and Calvert once. 15K plus point for just beating those two teams. But have not lost to many teams.
PDA Ajax has lost to these teams and would be slightly behind them.
STA- do not believe belongs in the same group with the teams above based on results.
Think that puts all of them somewhat level to each other, no?
Can we now move on?

Anonymous said...

9:03 All fair questions
-PDA North finished ahead of MF NPL in league play. Could easily flip them
-PDA South with loses to MF NPL and PDA North drops for me. I was 50/50 on PDA South or STA
-STA- 2losses to Wildcats but otherwise solid. Beat WC ECNL team in final of Aug Tournament.
-Wildcats are listed behind both NJ ECNL teams.
-NJSCA could be one of those teams at #10. Had a hard time overlooking that bad lose to MF Black.

Just one Dads opinion based more on Fall Got Soccer results and League Standings.


Anonymous said...

There will be a lot of movement with GS points once the fall 2013 points fall off and the fall league games are added. The one wildcard is will GS points be added for NPL teams in the fall. The standings are based on a full season.

Anonymous said...

PDA North has very few if any quality wins - and may be placed a tad high in your ranks. But nice work. Thanks.

Anonymous said...

STA doesnt need me defending them, but they beat TWO ECNL teams since late August and have not stumbled in NJ vs any team nipping at their heels in the ranks (losses to 2 pretty good NY teams and Calvert aside)

Havent solved Wildcats yet - and cant be faulted for not having faced MF or PDA more often - DID tie PDA Storm in the one key test.

2-0-1 vs ECNL - that's legit.

Anonymous said...

9:30 - sorry your facts are wrong.

PF's record against those teams is 2w-3l-1t

No NJ's top teams are not avg. I agree with most on the board that PDA and MF are the top of NJ, possibly of the NE region.

Anonymous said...

Agree with 9:30am -
Wildcats thought FCV slightly best but PF and Md were both very good.
Certainly on same competitive level as PDA Storm and MF ECNL in NJ.
Great skill, size and speed all over the field on both teams, with quality depth all the way to 18th player.

Anonymous said...

I think you are conflating PF pre-ECNL and PF NPL.

PF pre-ECNL beat NJX (now MF NPL) 2-0 at Delco
PF pre-ECNL beat PDA South 2-0 at Spirit
PF pre-ECNL lost to PDA pre-ECNL 0-2 during fall pre-ECNL season
PF pre-ECNL beat MF pre-ECNL 2-1 during fall pre-ECNL season
PF pre-ECNL tied Wildcats 0-0 at Bethesda

That's 3-1-1.

PF NPL lost 0-1 to PDA South during fall NPL season
PF NPL tied MF NPL 1-1 during fall NPL season

I don't know if PF NPL has ever played PDA pre-ECNL, MF pre-ECNL, or Wildcats.

Anonymous said...

WC ECNL is the very bottom of that league.... Not sure what that program will do at this age for next year unless the recruit like crazy.

Anonymous said...

PF NPL lost to PDA North in fall NPL.

Anonymous said...

Right. PF NPL has a W-D-L of 0-1-2 against that proposed NJ Top 10.

But PF pre-ECNL is 3-1-1 against that Top 10. I was just wondering how that can be considered "average".

Anonymous said...

Anytime you have to use a team or league to see how your team stacks up then that league or team is the "standard" and by definition better than the team or league that needs the comparison to legitimize their value.


non Ecnl leagues will compare themselves to ecnl leagues.

ECNL better.


Wildcats will always justify their valve based on how many ecnl teams they tie or beat.

Ecnl teams are better.


when a team or league becomes the standard of measurement, then they become the better team.


I don't think Matchfit parents are saying, "we need to beat this wildcat team" in order to see how good we are.


On the contrary, most are holding their nose , knowing that the game will be a ping pong direct physical match and they hope no one on their team gets hurt.


Parents cringe playing these style teams because they know its not the "beautiful game"


When you hear parents say big and tough and physical, it code for we will hit, hit hit.


The more skill you acquire, the less brutality you have to employ.


Don't get me wrong, soccer is a physical first to the ball game but that should be a compliment to a very skill full on the ground game that players have to find away to maneuver out of tight spaces with great passing and significant foot work.











Anonymous said...

PF

The only thing that matters is that your team only tied the Wildcats this weekend. Therefore by definition you are average.

Stop confusing everyone with all this wins and losses stuff!

Anonymous said...

10:47 can't leave them alone can you

Anonymous said...

So basically Wildcats in same exact place they were one year ago. Weak State cup aside what has improved?

Anonymous said...

All I know is wildcats were in same flight as MF ecnl in delco and bethesda and by tournament rules and tiebreakers finished ahead of them both events.
No one is arguing ecnl overall strongest league, but that doesn't mean every team in that league is better than top teams in other leagues.
And certainly nothing to justify being ranked over wildcats.
Game would be a toss-up clearly going by results vs common opponents.
Funny to see you are rationalizing why you won't match-up with us because we are too physical and you might get hurt.
Just know we are ready to matchup anytime.Talk is cheap and anyone can throw out insults on an anonymous blog without having to back it up.
We take on all comers, win some, lose some, but duck no one.

Anonymous said...

The difference is the ECNL teams are grinding more against better talent every weekend in their league where the EDP is notably weak. No grind in that league. At this age all of these "top" games are a toss up to some degree. Again, which path is best for next level? Constantly playing tough teams or circling 3-5 big games a season on the calendar and just because game is a tie you claim you are as good now. Isn't it about the quality of soccer played. It will make a difference moving forward. See both academy clubs history versus the other programs..... Tough to knock.

Anonymous said...


MF Pre ECNL and Wildcats set up a scrimmage please.

The sidelines might be the best part.

Anonymous said...

well then since you have all the big ecnl games all the time, your results should be better in tournaments

Anonymous said...

There are weak pre ECNL teams

Why do we have to keep reminding you of this?

Anonymous said...

On the contrary, most are holding their nose , knowing that the game will be a ping pong direct physical match and they hope no one on their team gets hurt.


Parents cringe playing these style teams because they know its not the "beautiful game"


When you hear parents say big and tough and physical, it code for we will hit, hit hit.


The more skill you acquire, the less brutality you have to employ.


Don't get me wrong, soccer is a physical first to the ball game but that should be a compliment to a very skill full on the ground game that players have to find away to maneuver out of tight spaces with great passing and significant foot work."



Bravo well said! We too cringe, every time our team plays the wildcats. We hold our breath that no one gets hurt.

Anonymous said...

Plenty of tough games vs best teams each season is you attend top flight of 3 tournaments per season as Cats do.
ecnl teams don't attend nearly as many tournaments (see storm) so it all works out.
all 3 top teams playing plenty of competition.
Only way to decide who is better is to matchup on the field.

Anonymous said...

How about if wildcats promise not to slide tackle or head the ball?

Anonymous said...

As usual so focused on the present. What is next step? It is coming. It happens at U14 every year in girls soccer.

Anonymous said...

Your girls are too rough, Waa, Waa, Waa.
Good luck with that in college.

Anonymous said...

Having just seen them this weekend, Wildcats are not as physical as MF NPL or PDA South.

And MF NPL and PDA South are not nearly as physical as PWSI, Penn Legacy, or PA Classics.

None of the pre-ECNL teams are particularly physical. Maybe World Class and Penn Fusion are the most physical.

You can try to smear them all you like, but it just isn't true that the Wildcats are overly physical.

--PA Guy

Anonymous said...

Match Fit ECNL - PHYSICAL, yes.

Anonymous said...

Leave the Wildcats alone. They are doing what they need to do in order to compete with the ECNL teams. They won't play the high level teams in EDP or where ever they play during league games so they have to rely on tournaments and lots of them. That is why they play 50 games per year and that is how they will get Got Soccer points. The PDA and MF B teams will not go this length to play the top teams. NJX is finding this out now. They used to play 50 games a year and play all of the top tournaments(and get lots of GS points) but not anymore since they joined MF. So you can knock Wildcats but they are doing the only thing they could do to stay relevant at the highest level. At least give them that credit

Anonymous said...

We too played the cats this fall and loved it! Big, physical, yep but not dirty. You crybabies better toughen your daughters up fast! Soccer is a contact sport. Its only going to get more physical. Learn to give it back or take up ballet.

Anonymous said...

I think it actually gets LESS physical as players get older

As players learn to move less awkwardly within their gameplay, when to pull up, when to go in.

Doesnt make it any less intense.

Anonymous said...

Should add: when to CONTAIN a player rather than go in immediately on a tackle.

Anonymous said...

Match Fit ECNL - very physical team.

No one from MF ECNL and Wildcats are going after each other.

Only people starting this is NPL team. NPL and Wildcats do not get along personally.

Has the Wildcats even play MF ECNL before?

Anonymous said...

MF pre-ECNL did not strike me as overly physical when I saw them. Tough? Sure. I think all of the teams discussed on this board have tough players. But I think World Class pre-ECNL is much more physical than MF pre-ECNL. Maybe compared to the other pre-ECNL teams MF is considered very physical.

Anonymous said...

Yes, and a lot of good all the physical play has done for World Class, not. It's not about being tough, it's about being disciplined, and smart.

Anonymous said...

No MF Pre-ECNL and wildcats have not played.
I would agree both those teams respect each other.
Yes, there seems to be bad blood from mf npl towards both wildcats and mf pre-ecnl and agree they are the parents behind most of the attacks on both of those teams..
They used to be far ahead of wildcats and they are all from same area so naturally they resent wildcats recent rise and higher ranking.
They also have an understandable resentment towards MF pre-ecnl as they are now B Team in their own club.
Must be hard to swallow for a team that was recently considered among the very best in region and is now playing in ECNL Clubs B League and B Flights of top tournaments.

Anonymous said...

2:52 you must not have attended any high level D1 college games then.
Not for the faint of heart and much of the banging is not called as closely as in club.
Just look at the bodies of the players on Rutgers or other players at the programs in the major conferences .
They are beasts and they lift like crazy to get bigger and stronger to take the pounding at that level.

Anonymous said...

3:38

I know it may have taken you a while to be able to take some potshots at World Class, but lets not be unfair - this team has been quite unlucky with personnel of late.

Anonymous said...

For the record again. Another Wildcat attack prompting a response. Not a problem at MF as it is a process. What must kill you more is you have NEVER beaten them.... Do you really think there was that much of a difference between those flights? There wasn't. We play other ECNL teams in friendlies all the time and perform just fine. Drop the bashing. You are just as good as many but not better until you knock them down. And even then, not much matters at U13. The question is, have you chosen the right path to development for your daughter? Nobody has that answer and nobody will until later on..... I will take my chances with my proven academy.

Anonymous said...

How quickly they forget

Spring 2014 EDP champs - in a league with Natch Fit and East Meadow and CFC and Crush and NYSC

Chin up, World Class

Anonymous said...

"I will take my chances with my proven academy"

Nobody is saying you shouldnt

You can do so without commenting on other clubs in a negative manner

Anonymous said...

No one from the NPL team at MF cares about the Wildcats or the Pre-ECNL. Hate to burst your bubble.
Do you really think we can't turn in our gear and say thank you but we are going in a different direction to MF? You are absolutely insane if you think we can't. We can move at the snap of a finger. And we just may! Most parents do not care about this ECNL or npl stuff. We just want to see our kids compete at the highest level possible and have fun. I have personally never heard anyone comment on the Wildcats or pre-ECNL team in a negative way.
Please stop trying to cause trouble with us. We play who is in front of us and our girls give it their best. Hope your daughters do the same.

Anonymous said...

No. You cannot just move.

It has to be a near unanimous vote to do so

Plus you need to have somewhere (with a trainder and FIELDS) to move on to.

It is an option to scatter, surely.

Anonymous said...

Yes. Everyone has the right to move and can move. What do you think this is, JAIL? These Soccer people do not run our lives. Remember that. So what of you lose 1 or 2 players. You have no idea.

Anonymous said...

4:03

You think club games are called "closely"?

Wow.

Such awkward movement that referees are often at a loss on whether or not it is a foul. Thus they often let a clear obstruction or a clip at the heel from behind or a blow after the ball is gone just GO, without whistle.

It's downright dangerous at times in its carelessness.

Had one referee this weekend that called it proper - and the parents were all up in arms......"what was THAT call?"....since they are so accustomed to not hearing whistles on so much of the foul play.


Anonymous said...

I think that what most parents consider as "foul play" is not actually fouls at all. They start screaming anytime a girl goes down, even if the kid tripped on her own feet.

Anonymous said...

4:03.

The ball movement of many D1 schools is fantastic.

Can your team do the same.

Yes college is physical but they move the ball very well and the technical skills are on display for everyone to see.


Highschool soccer is by nature very direct and physical with little ball movement and technical skill.

I think this is a more appropriate example.

Anonymous said...

Pa Guy- Pa Classics is physical? Have you ever actually seen them? Most are under 5ft and under 100 lbs. They may have 3 at most that are somewhat physical. Lucky for them they didn't play a team like YMS this season. They would'nt have stood a chance just based on the size difference alone.

Anonymous said...

6:24 hasn't watched much college soccer either I guess.
If you can get recruited to UVA or Stanford, or a few others, than you will be playing with a team with "fantastic ball movement".
Most of the schools, including all time best womens program UNC play very direct and get the ball forward as quickly as possible and then press you in your own end.

Anonymous said...

7:08

Are you sure you don't have them confused with 1776?

Most of classics girls are indeed over 5 ft and muscular.

Anonymous said...

Actually Id compare 1776 to Classics as far as size. Again, with the exception of about 3 maybe 4 players, Classics is a small team and not very physical. 1776 who also mainly consists of small players is definately the more aggressive of the two.

Anonymous said...

7:53

Huh, Maybe they grew a lot since you played them. Daughters team played them just a few weeks ago and my first thought while watching them warm up was how tall they were. Defiantly not comparable to 1776. But yes 1776 is much more physical. I'm sure next time we see 1776 in the spring they'll all be 3-5" taller too. It's that age.



Anonymous said...

What happened to PF? They went from winning everything to never winning. They seem to tie a lot which isn't necessarily bad but sure are struggling to get those W's! Did they add too many weak players?

Anonymous said...

7:43

Funny you should mention UNC. I have heard Anson talk about how he likes those "tough girls" who will knock you around. BTW, there is 1 Jersey girl currently playing on that squad. Anyone want to guess what club she played for?

Anonymous said...

7:43

You should go watch the Rutgers team play sometime. They are right in your back yard.

The coach of that team is extremely technical and demands the team to play out from the back and play the ball up the field in quick short passing sequences. You will triangles of support up and down the field.

They play a 4-3-3 attacking style. very rarely will you see a ball over the top unless it diagonal pass right to the feet of their left or right forward.


I agree with the previous poster. your example of how the girls play are more akin to high school then college









Anonymous said...

8:23.

I would not be comparing u13 soccer to any D! program.

Besides its tough and extremely technical not just tough-No?

Anonymous said...

rutgers does knock it around very well.
Those that do are the exception on the college womens side though.
From your comments it seems you learned your soccer from the mens side but it doesn't translate very well to the womens college game.
first of all most high level mens soccer teams whether top D1 programs or the European League teams or even the national teams play variations of the 4-5-1/4-2-3-1, they only have 1 forward in your defensive end to pressure your 4 backs so of course you have time and space to knock it around freely.
they are more concerned with getting numbers back behind the ball and not getting strung out on Defense as on the men side that will get you punished as it is very hard to disposess those players and they can play 40 or 50 yard driven balls and counter quickly and accurately if you push numbers up to press them in their own end.
On the womens side the skill level is much lower and long ball service along with defensive heading is very poor compared to the mens game.
therefore most womens college teams play 3 forwards and press you high in your own end.
With the many poor clearances and poor defensive headers/clearances 3 forwards up high means you have players nearby ready to pounce on those mistakes and create quick counterattacking opportunities and cheap goals.
That is why the best teams on the womens side often win by lopsided scores of 5 or 6 nil unless they are playing one of the other top 15 or so programs. You don't see that nearly as often on the mens side in conference play among the big schools.
There are a lot more fast athletic girls out there then there are highly skilled girls so all but the best programs who have their pick of recruits from the youth national teams find it easier to compete by recruiting speedy, athlectic girls and playing high pressure and try to limit the chances of making mistakes themselves in their own end by not playing around too much in their own back end.

Anonymous said...

PF is still a very good team and will be great again. Scoring has been an issue since they played Legacy and their best player went down (it seems a few girls have gone down when playing Legacy). I think you'll see them back to normal in the springtime. I also think that Legacy will have a hard time holding onto some of their top player if club doesn't change its view on where to play. They are extremely fast and physical, yet get to play very few good teams. Rage is the team on the rise boys and girls.

Anonymous said...

First, sorry but I must correct your ignorance. Watched the PF/Legacy game. The PF player injured her knee as a result of turning awkwardly. It was not the fault of any Legacy player. Second, only one player can score for PF? That's either a shame or again your opinion is inaccurate.

Anonymous said...

Wow

Why not just come out and say Penn Legacy is a chippy team?

Anonymous said...

To blame a 12/13 year old for causing an injury that disrupts a team's season? Come on! Deserves a defense, especially when pure ignorance is involved. It was witnessed and was clearly no ones fault. Shame on you.

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