2:12 Only unnecessary travel applies to families of players in top 3rd of roster.But what about the middle and bottom 3rd?That is by far the majority of the team.
2:18I am curious, what ecnl club traveled to Sand Diego, except for a national championship at the u14 age.Furthest travel I can see at this age is chicago for PDA. Nothing since AugustMatchfit and Worldclass have not traveled long distances. This was the first question I asked regarding these organizations. can you give me some specfics because i could not find it in my research.Other major teams( non ecnl ) including teams from NJ will travel. some seem to travel constantly to enter many tournament through out the region and beyond, it just depends what team you play for and whether or not the team decides to test their chops nationally at various tournaments. or regionally.2:18The question I have- Is one or two nice trips to say florida or chicagot better than 10-12 regional tournaments stays, some as far as VA.That one is up for debate.I am not seeing the travel part of your argument, I only understand the large roster argument ,if your kid is not a top player on the team.I am not trying to be Jacka$$ , I am just trying to figure out fact from fiction with regards to arguments For or against.Competition is always good but for this one, I am just worried about placing my daughter on the right team within the right league.
2:18Why do you still care about ECNL you have your R1 Champions League. A league of equal competition as you call it. Enjoy andif you win it then you can deal with the unnecessary travel to WV or is it OK?We can also have players from PDA South and MF NPL join NJ Wildcats and Players from PF can now joing PL. Enjoy the league.
Does someone have an official list of teams in Division 1 of the Champions League or are we still all guessing what teams will be in it? I can;t find anything on the Region 1 website.
Guessing/speculating at this point. Someone put up a list of teams which were really strong/competitive but who knows what final group of teams will end up looking like. ECNL & soccer freako parent. I hope this happens, will be good for all of us.
Yes, the point is it will be good for ALL of us, both within and without ECNL as it will give us multiple choices and create more competition between the clubs and more spots at elite level for more of our players.
Region 1 CHAMPIONS rules say that it must be your main league. No concessions are given off the Region 1 schedule for any other league's game or ANY TOURNAMENT GAME - just for State Cup play96 teams will be accepted (if that many apply)
Region 1 is dinosaur league with no flexibility.I think you will find it very difficult to work around your tourney schedule.
Might very well be why some teams have not applied to some tournaments.Region 1 knows the weekends of the big events, so could schedule around them.Its only 7 games (Saturdays) over 2 1/2 months....
speaking of us club soccer.Has anyones daughter been chosen to try out and then make the cut?Teams that have girls representing them.I would be curious to find out.
This is a new Region 1 champions League and home and away games will be given to teams who will then set up their days and times within the allotted time frame to play the games.amazing to see how fearful some are of this new league and the opportunities it will bring.Who has anything to fear I wonder?
I thought you said previously on this site that ECNL league allowed no flexibility and that is why the pre-ecnl teams didn't play state cup?
who?The parents don't give a hoot. they are so ingrained in their ECNL that they are hoping other talented girls stay region 1.So if not them then who?Sounds like wishful thinking about a league that is trying to recurrent themselves because the older teams are moving away from region 1.You need to look beyond u13. sounds like your first time to the party.
Come on now! There are constant changes and new options coming along every few years, just as ECNL is a concept that came along only in the last few years.ECNL wasn't the first "new league" and it sure won't be the last.To call a new region !champions League a dinosaur is a bit disingenuous.After all there are just as many strong teams outside of ecnl in region 1 as there are inside ecnl, and providing an option for them to band together to make their own topflight league is only logical.Plus for USYSA is gives them a chance to keep market share among the strong teams and clubs outside of ecnl.There is a new Region 1 Director and staff in place and they seem to be on the ball and are being proactive. This isgood for everyone and all the strong non-ecnl's should to sign on.
9:17 I agree - For me it has always been ECNL, NPL, National League Region1 and Super Y. All Region1 did was re-brand their Premier/Colonial/Northeast leagues into a D1/D2 pro/rel system.PS. Also a fan of EDP - EDP had a chance to put a strangle hold on Region1 leagues and still might if they play their cards right.Since, it's winter and slow, i will annoy everyone with updates to the Spring majors. Like I said Jefferson, PDA and Manhattan hold out their list while Delco, NJ Cup and EDP normlly don't as of today.Below are the APPLIED teams with GS National rank # for the tournaments that don't hide their Applied lists.------------------------------------16th Annual FC DELCO Players Cup5/22/2015-5/25/2015Teams Applied36 Boston Breakers Academy GU13 ECNL (MA)40 NJCSA GALAXY (NJ)88 Pipeline Soccer Club Black (MD)92 Massapequa Soccer Club Lil' Rowdies (NYE)126 Waza FC East 02 Juniors (MI) - Super Y Champs???140 Smithtown Stars (NYE)150 Medford SC Hurricanes (NJ)242 Bethesda SC Academy 2001 Blue (MD)401 DMS Soccer GU13 Academy (NYW)702 Bethesda SC Academy 2001 White (MD)1299 Herndon Youth Soccer Hooligans (VA)------------------------------------ECNL U14 SHOWCASE & JR ECNL EVENT GREER | MAY 9-10, 2015PRE-ECNL U13 DIVISION4 FC Virginia Pre-ECNL U1313 East Meadow Soccer Club Pre-ECNL U1330 PDA Pre-ECNL U1366 Penn Fusion SA Pre-ECNL U13133 MatchFit Pre-ECNL U13181 Maryland United FC Pre-ECNL U13242 Bethesda SC Pre-ECNL U13249 GSA Pre-ECNL U13312 West Florida Flames Pre-ECNL U13332 Mclean Youth Soccer Pre-ECNL U13348 Carolina Elite Soccer Academy Pre-ECNL U13639 Atlanta Fire Pre-ECNL U13407 Concord Fire Pre-ECNL U13411 Vardar Pre-ECNL U13428 Ohio Premier Pre-ECNL U13672 Ohio Elite SA Pre-ECNL U13820 Richmond United Pre-ECNL U131167 Birmingham United Pre-ECNL U13-----------------------------------
9:26 I believe it is more than rebranding the old Region 1 Directors Premier league and the Colonial leagues..I think the new management at Region 1 recognizes they have to be more flexible this time and adjust to the realities that they are no longer the only game in town.Maybe if they can get out in front of that they can make it work as ECNL is now showing some of the same signs of self importance and "we are the only game in town" that allowed US Club to make their move in the first place.It will be interested to see how this plays out as always.If the parents can only get smart enough to realize we hold all the cards because we control where we spend our $$$ then we can demand a reasonable system for our kids.Maybe the bloated roster scam will finally be the final straw and wake us up rather than accept that nonsense at the expense of our children.
There will always be a big market for lower cost soccer alternatives to some of these super expensive clubs and leagues. It is much too fun a sport to be dissuaded by cost.
9:53Well said!We do control the dollars and a bloated roster is not good for the development of our kids.Any team that carries more than 18, when they have a second team to bring kids up to the big team when kids are hurt or when kids have earned the right, is nothing more than more dollars in the pocket of the club. But I blame the parents for this new phenomenon in Youth soccer. Remember not all ECNL teams do this but certainly enough do it to make it an issue. For the the most part it is directives from the club that impose a 22-26 person roster. The coaches do not necessarily want the headaches of telling a talented young girl that she has to sit out this week. You will hear nonsense about every practice is a battle and girls will compete hard knowing that their spot is in jeopardy. This is propaganda. Simply sitting a player on a roster of 18 is all the motivation my daughter would need to get moving or get going to another team.If you were to remove the financial benefit that these clubs derive from carrying 22-26 players, you would quickly see a new movement back to an 18 player roster.I don't fault the club, its a business, I fault the parent, that has to be the one to tell their daughter, that they have to stay home this weekend.They put themselves in this spot.Your daughter will not reach her full capacity, playing 25 minutes a game no matter how competitive the practices are.Remember you have one shot at watching your daughter grow up and play soccer, wouldn't you rather see her on the field for 65 minutes rather than 25 minutes at a time.-Soccer Nut-
9:53 I agree with you on a bunch of things - but one. The parents do hold the keys and the parents have spoken on which direction they want bring their kids. I come on this board to talk soccer at this age -I don't care if it's ECNL or some other league as long as it's this age. My kid is in a great place and she has improved a lot over the past 2 seasons. If I see the results - i don't care if they want to make a buck or 2. If I didn't like what i saw we could always leave no strings.
Soccer nut 10:48 aka your friendly neighborhood GS guy - I wouldn't bring my kid to a big club if all i cared about were minutes. Extra minutes don't make your kid better. Her team 15 or 26 players (roster size doesn't matter tome) combined with good training, being able to make them more technical and explaining tactics is all I can ask for - the rest is on her. If she improves what's to complain about (she's not the star) she willplay college soccerone way or the the other (scholarship or not) if she doesn't then the money isn't worth it and it's time to leave
soccer nut - I'm not calling you 10:48 and friendly neighborhood GS guy - that would be me. Sorry.
GS guy You are mistaken if you think you can't have both. There is no magic bullet with regards to these ECnl clubs if your daughter is a quality player she can have great coaching and significant playing time. I know of a few girls who were number 16-20 on one Ecnl team that went to another ECNl team and became ID players at u14 and u15 level. The difference was a chance to play and a coach with a different view point. -Soccer Nut-
I agree -but my point is if the kid is improving every year and they are 16-20 why would you move them?I do agree with you minutes are very important. But if the kid is improving in their current environment why would you disrupt that and trust a coach you are not familiar with - the wrong coach can kill confidence regardless of their resume, do you not agree?
11:38 that may be your personal family situation, but let's be honest, I have heard too many stories of parents who are at a loss of what to do because their child is leaving the field crying and distraught in the car after games and tournaments because she didn't play/didn't dress/ played very little and they are afraid to leave because it's ECNL Team/club and they are convinced a non-ecnl option will not prepare or showcase her.As other comparable options arise(as they always do in a competitive market, just as ECNL option came along , so will others) these parents and their players will be more at ease leaving a situation that is not healthy or positive for their daughters development.Maybe playing little and sometimes not even dressing for events/games /tournamentsIs OK by your daughter(if you are not posing as a parent), then she is the exception I think, most kids are not thriving and are dealing with confidence and self esteem issues in the situation you describe.there are other places where your daughter can develop and improve while still dressing and playing every game and gaining in confidence and self-esteem/self worth and game experience.
Because if they are quality ' they can have it all. If you do your research on the coaches and team inside or outside the ECNL you will be surprised at some of the quality that is around. The bottom line for me is that my daughter who is still a little girl will never be told by me that she has to stay home this weekend Or that she is only getting 25 minutes a game. Not when she can play for another quality team inside or outside the EcNl and contribute significantly in beating the team that gave her little playing time. You must remember that clubs are building teams not players. Player development is a byproduct of the coach building his team. Sometimes a great player simply doesn't fit into one coaches system and her playing time and development can suffer because of it. If your daughter is a quality player find a place where both the technical work and playing time is provided. -Soccer Nut-
10:56 and 11:38 putting out more propaganda by ecnl administration as soccer-Nut so accurately describes it in his 10:39 post.Hey 10:56 and 11:38 answering your question, how about your child is not a racehorse. What about factoring in her having a positive experience as well as developing her skills.What good is a partial soccer scholarship if she is back home by October of her freshmen year because she is not well adjusted/self assured enough to handle the stress of college life along with the demands of being a D1 athlete and being away from home for the first time.Wouldn't be surprised if some of these young girls have anxiety issues by the time they go off to college because of the way some of the parents treat them like performers with only the performance considered.Is that our main responsibility as parents.So sad that it is often about the ego of the parent and what they failed to achieve as athletes themselves in their youth.
11:51 just speaking in general terms players 16-20 were brought up. So i'm speaking in regards to 16-20.If the kid is unhappy you leave - I would for sure. But what if the kid is okay and is improving I would stay?Just because a new league pops up doesn't mean that's an opportunity. That's an opportunity for more clubs/teams to join - if they do then yes more opportunities to showcase and I agree different coaches can view a player in different ways. But what happens if teams don't join?
Wow- 2 very provocative posts!It seems that the worm is finally turning on this site and it is no longer the domain of the simpletons and miserable stone throwers.
12:01 I don't know what you are, but I repeat soccer Nut's 10:39AM post is spot on in my opinion.
12:11pm all the way back when you were #2 you were outed as a PDA parent/staff, that has not changed in all your subsequent manifestations. Or should we say infestations.Better hope you can keep fooling them.
12:04pm- but they ARE joining.It looks like most of the teams that can compete at the highest level and are not currently ECNL clubs are signing up for the new Region 1 Champions League.why wouldn't they?It is the same reason your club signed on to be an ecnl club.Joining with other strong clubs/tams to have top level comp week in and week out in league play.
12:16 How come you didn't say that when I was sticking up Super Y and defending Rage PA? Hmmm? Looks like the only person I'm fooling is you pal - Don't forget I was also EM guy a few days ago. But you can call me Shill, forget EAG12:19 So is this now an apples to apples compare when when we talk D1 scholarships. We can just keep it to NJ/PA/NY/MA that 10 Clubs we can compare them to R1 Champions league now. ~Shill
I really don't understand all the name calling, it gets in the way of proper discourse.-Soccer Nut-GS guy brings a perspective that is valuable- His discussions are very reasonable.This is my second time around. I am neither for or against the ECNL. As a matter of fact my older daughter played for an ECNL team.My younger daughter does not and she is more talented than my older daughter. But if I thought the right coach and situation presented itself , I would consider what ever was best for her, either outside or inside the ECNL.Quality is dictated by team, coach , system and collection of players-not by league.
12:33 the more teams that can provide a good option at the elite level for our kids the better.there are only so many spots on the few ecnl teams.If region 1 champions league can provide another 12 teams where the comp is tough each week then that provides another 196 slots for our top prospects in region 1 without sitting on bloated rosters or B and C Teams waiting for a call up to ecnl team that most likely will never come.That benefits all of our youth soccer families.The only ones who would argue against this is the ecnl clubs owners and management.
12:55 you forgot the GS Guy/Shill.He will certainly argue against it.
12:57 before I give my opinion - don't we want people to play devil's advocate sometimes. So much fun if we all agree. 12:55 couldn't agree more about more options. It's good to have these options otherwise it would be a 12:57 world where we all agree on everything (nothing wrong with this).But i disagree with you on one thing. You are making the point that these R1 teams are NEW. They are not new and in fact are quality teams. What makes you think that these B & C players would get a crack. Isn't the argument that the r1 teams are equal to ECNL or close.~GS Guy/ShillPS. I'm going back to anonymous better that way -we can concentrate on u13 soccer.
I have been saying this all along "Quality is dictated by team, coach , system and collection of players-not by league."Sticking to the NorthEast Division of ECNL at this age CFC Delco and FC Bucks are two teams that have some room to grow - Albertson has been playing better and with the EM question and what happens to the club could benefit Albertson if the team splits or it could benefit R1 Champions league is they join or it could be none of the above club stays together or merges with another
1:10 I think you misunderstood my post 12:55pm. I never said the teams that would benefit from joining Region 1 Champions League were "New".What I said was the League itself was "New" in response to someone saying it is a dinosaur and inflexible with scheduling,etc..My point was that there is a NEW region 1 director and new staff in place and they seem to have learned that they need to be more flexible now that there is competition out there and I don't think it is fair to assume they won't do so.Never meant to imply that the strong non-ecnl teams were new.
12:55PA guy(s) where you at, I need your help.Would girls on the PA ECNL B & C teams have a shot at significant playing timeon the teams listed Penn Legacy, 1776 & Ukranians.For the NJ posters would girls on the PDA and MF B & C teams make the only team listed the NJ Wildcats and get significant playing time?I'm sure these team have full rosters already if they are about development, or are they about wins and only roster 15 to 16 girls so they get max exposure? All the ECNL teams roster 16+ dress 18 and go for the wins no secrets. So the question is can girls 16+ on ECNL teams and all the Girls on B abd C teams play for New Jersey Wildcats, Penn Legacy, 1776 & Ukranians if travel wasn't an issue? These were the only teams listed. NYE didn't have any.So when you say 196 roster spots? what are we really talking about 5, 10?
BTW- The Region 1 Champions league is new this spring.The old league was the Region 1 Directors Premier league. So new League, new format, new leadership at Region 1.why don't we all give it a chance as if successful our children and families will be the ones to benefit.Clearly more competition will be a positive, as it is also clear that if the status quo continues the ECNL Clubs plan to squeeze us for more and more money for less and less playing time.Only the free market and choices will protect us from greed.That will never change.
4:50 here - follow up question so if we are talking about only a few roster spots where are these girls better off? I know the answer ""Quality is dictated by team, coach, system and collection of players-not" So what if where they are is better in their opinion? We come on here and try to out them as having a motive or assuming they are uninformed?I know I am trying to generalize individual situations and sometimes it just doesn't work.
4:54 I will play along - since you didn't answer my question i will ask another. You want parent to move their kids from teams playing in ECNL/NPL for the chance that the team they are trying out for will make the NEW Champions league? What if they don't? Then you want them to move their kids to a team already playing, what happens if the team is relegated to D2 and then the following year isn't accepted time to move again?Just for the Record all the did was re-brand they took Colonial and Northeast and are now calling it D2, the Premier became D1 and are using Pro/Rel as a selling point. I hope it takes off and someday i would love to see a Youth Lamar Hunt open cup
4:50 not saying that there will be 196 NEW rosters spot on these already talented teams.Am saying that for the players currently playing on these non-ecnl teams and for any that come to fill their open roster spots Region 1 Champions League will provide a comparable league in quality and depth of quality to ANY league out there including ECNL.The proposed top flight listed for Region 1 Champions league would be much stronger and deeper than this falls lineup in EDP, NE-NPL or EDL league will be this fall.there would no longer be a need to fight over the few spots at ECNL teams and those that don't make it would no longer have to sit on bloated rosters or drop to B and C teams or feel they were settling for a lesser level of league competition. I think you really understood just fine and are trying to spin things with your posts to confuse the issue.Simply put, it will level the playing field and create 2 leagues with top level competition across the board and that means many ore of our players will be getting the benefit of that high level of comp each week in league play.
If the league flies this spring and people see it is successful than there will be more options for next fall at the elite level.Have to wonder about the motives of anyone who is throwing stones at this attempt to get another top league off and running?
5:04 No SPIN you said "if region 1 champions league can provide another 12 teams where the comp is tough each week then that provides another 196 slots for our top prospects in region 1 without sitting on bloated rosters or B and C Teams"Back to my Point 1 NJ team and 3 PA teams, I understand it's pro/rel so are you telling me that NYE, MA, CT, NYW, VA, MD, DE, RI and NH can't take a spot in D1 and that it will become full of NJ, NYE and PA teams.NO spin - but with Pro/Rel there is no guarantee that the team stays at that level. With ECNL and NPL there is.
5:08 Okay you win I agree with you, there you happy. I hope the league takes off and expands to 32 teams.PS. I like the Pro/Rel idea
the proposed top flight of Region 1 League certainly stronger than this falls EDP or NE-NPL flights or what EDL will offer this spring.No question that any of the teams who play in those leagues would be more challenged in the proposed Region 1 Champions League week in and week out.All the splitting of strong teams between EDP, ECNL, NE-NPL, EDL only serves the businesses of these leagues as they cut up more and more $$$.Getting many of the strong teams into 1 league as Region 1 League is proposing will benefit the players and teams and eliminate travelling long distances to play one sided games that are non-competitive.As parents we all see this and I hope know this splitting into many separate leagues/divisions is not conducive to the most competitive situation for our players and teams and we have a chance to change it here.
5:08 I think we know who has the motives. List appears, trying to sell league hard - doesn't like talking if some has a different opinion and if they do they are accused of throwing stones & spinning because they have a motive. Well played.
5:11 Are you serious? -If it takes off and more very strong teams join in future seasons than the top flight will EXPAND beyond the original 12 teams. They will not have to drop strong teams if more join down the road.More strong teams will only make it better and the travel less demanding.For example, more strong teams joining in future seasons will allow Region 1 to make it more central geographically in each division, so they may have say 4 divisions of 6 or 8 teams each with each of the 4 division consisting of teams from say 2 or 3 adjoining states so as to reduce travel, then the top 2 of each division will make a postseason playoff in a central location over 1 weekend at seasons end to determine the overall champion and wildcard to Region 1 tournament. So let's day the central division may have 2 teams each from NY, EPA and NJ for instance, another south division may have 3 teams each from Maryland and Virginia, a north division will have the Mass and Conn and WNY Teams,etc.Again I find it hard to believe you are doing anything but trying to confuse the issue.
Yes, only non-competitive teams will be relegated.And that is how it can be kept competitive across the board.But I agree if it grows and more strong teams come on board in any age group they will continue to expand the top flight into more divisions and make the travel less.Only makes sense.
Finding it hard to understand why any soccer parent would have a problem with what this league is proposing.How would a league bringing together all these good teams that are currently spread out with 2 or 3 playing in each league a negative for the players and teams.
Anything that improves the quality and competitive balance of the leagues and of the league games week in and week out is a positive.After all we are already travelling anyway.
Region 1 league goes spring/fall rather than fall/springIt is 32 teams in each FLIGHT, so yes, 4 divisions of 8 in the top tier.Then 32 second and 32 third division teams.Not sure where you get the number 12 from
Yes, spring /fall.But I think you may be surprised when the flights some out.
Next year wildcats will compete with Pda and MF b and c teams.... all those teams should be good competition.
Region Champ League's div and flights should be released in the next few days
9:55 may be right - in that for this initial season they may not have gotten the desired 96 teams. (May not be 32 in top flight, divided 4 ways)We'll see - I hope you are right - that we hear something soon.
Since my daughter's team will be in it, I'm looking forward to seeing the teams in the new Champions League. However, I hope they don't try to force 32 teams into the top flight as realistically there are not 32 non-ECNL teams at that level in the region. Region 1 will have to dip pretty far into the pool to reach 32 teams, resulting in more blowouts and lack of challenges for top teams. If they do 12 top teams like was suggested on this board earlier, that would be much better.
There will NOT be 32 teams in top flight.the Top FLight will be very competitive for the top teams in the Region.
@2:21pm - The 20-23 roster players are the girls selected from the all the teams in each PDA's age group. ECNL teams are created from the selected players from those teams. (i.e. U14 PDA girls have 3 teams - Splash, Madrid, Hornet from those 3 teams the players are selected for the ECNL team. So pretty much they are roster with PDA but can are playing for both teams. Girls will always have the opportunity to be selected.
If the ECNL Teams are selected from the 3 teams at that age group in the club, then why the need to have rosters larger than the allowed 18 for each team?Why not bring up a player from the B or C Team to play with the ECNL Team if there are a few injured players unavailable on the ECNL Team for a certain event?Do we really need extra players sitting out games on each of the 3 teams because they each have rosters above the allowed 18?Aren't the B and C Team players supposed to be working to get that shot to play with the ECNL Team at some point? wouldn't it be rfair to give them that opportunity when there is an injury to a player on the ECNL Team.Roster movement is certainly allowed between the teams from the same club.
But players can listed on rosters for two teams, correct? If so, maybe the teams are simply using the larger roster space to list all those players who could conceivably play up or practice up often. If a player is getting good B team minutes, and just a few A team minutes, what is the problem with rostering them on both teams?
The reason for the large roster is to assure they field and give enough opportunities to other girls. Not every girl selected on a ECNL roster can make it every tournament or other sessions. Other obligations come into play like other sports, injuries, school. It's PDA and Match Fit's model, not all ECNL/NPL clubs follow this model though. ECNL discussion shouldn't even be around this blog, wait until U14 and when your daughter decides she want to play collegiately. At 11/12 majority of girls do not know what yet.
So....one says Champions League will allow teams to schedule their own games, home and awayOther says league will set up the games - and we assume they will schedule around a select number of tournamentsI guess we'll see. The website seems to say it will be more rigid
I think region 1 champions league is a farce, and a desperate attempt to find a home for misfit teams, enjoy your 3rd rate experience.
Let's not punish the new Championship League. They are trying to assemble the top Non-ECNL teams from each state. Sounds like a decent idea. However, NPL is attempting to do the same. In NJ, 3 of the top 5 teams, PDA North and South and MF NPL will not be in that league as those teams will stay with their club in NPL. That will leave the Wildcats and STA to join the Championship league if they chose. Kind of like EDP?
Except that South Shore Select MassGreater Binghampton WNYPenn Legacy EPABRYC VaPWSI VA1776 EPAUkranians EPAall of whom are NOT playing in EDP will be playing in region 1 Champuions League.That along with some other strong teams will make the top flight much stronger than EDP or NE-NPL.Who will be playing in the 3rd rate league as you call it this spring?Maybe NE-NPL, a league made up of ecnl club B Teams when all is said and done.
12:16 that would be fine if it wre true.Problem is very few of the B Team players are getting brought up and the extra players on the pre-ecnl roster are not paying at all with B and C Teams.And there are extra players above 18 on all the rosters of all 3 teams, not just the A Team.
You should probably cite a source on that allegation, 2:14.
Teams are going to be totally different come the spring. Bubble players are leaving now. A lot of those bubble players should be and will be starting elsewhere.
Champions sounds like a great league. So after paying $2500 to your club, you will be traveling many weekends and staying in hotels. Sounds expensive.
4pm- No same as ecnl and edp and ne-npl- 1 day trips to play games as we all are doing already.Only change will be the higher level of competition in the top flight week in and week out.All of us accept travelling, as long as the games are challenging it is part of what we signed up for.Also will not need to play so many tournaments if the league play is top notch.Isn't that what the ECNl clubs claim as well?don't see any difference.
Of course there is no difference.The model being proposed is very similar.the only ones throwing water on it are those who will have a roadblock thrown in the drive for a monopoly on high level youth soccer.Once they closed the circle and eliminated any choices the clubs/leagues wold have all the leverage and the families and players would be reduced to acquiescing to their continuing push to increase profits at the expense of the players and their families. this is why we have laws against monopolies in the free market.Without choices we no longer have freedom.
Virginia is a fun one day drive. You don't need to go that far in ECNL and NPL. So safe driving!
The problem will come in with consistency. A- some top players will jump by next year. B- so you do this league by age? What happens if these clubs do not match up with older and younger teams? C- Far travel.
4:42You have obviously never driven from West Chester PA(PF) up to Farmington CT(FSA)!
But you go to CT and MA once per year and play 2 games. Not single games, back and forth.
the plan is to move in to divisions by geographic area so the travel will be less as it grows throughout the region.'As far as clubs not matching up by age.That is the beauty of it.It is not exclusionary as it is not limited to only certain clubs.It is OPEN to ALL teams in region 1.so the teams that would qualify for the top flight in each age group will be the BEST TEAMS in that age group, regardless of club affiliation.The only criteria will be that you are a team located in Region 1.See unlike some leagues the goal would not be to shut out competitive teams but to promote competition between all deserving teams chosen by their teams track record.How refreshing would that be!
Why don't the PA teams, NJ teams and NY teams that arent in NPL join EDP? Make more sense. Travel to VA for Tournaments only. No need to go down there or up to MA.
Better yet, why don't you take all of your girls to Penn Fusion, FC Bucks or Continental and play the best teams in the North East in ECNL. PDA, East Meadow, Match Fit, Stars of Mass, Breakers.
"....the BEST TEAMS in each age group...."According to who?
5:38It would be the same, 2 games in VA once a year, catch them both in one time, most other games closer one day trips. No weak teams, at least if it pans out as planned.
5:57 have to wonder why you "best" ECNL teams are so concerned about knocking region 1 champions league.If your deal is so great why so defensive you have to knock this opportunity for all the non-ecnl teams.Who by the way you cannot beat regularly and you have not proven to be "best Teams" on the field.Afraid of a little competition are you?
ALL the strong NON-ECNL Teams in Region 1 should get on board with Region 1 Champions League.Imagine how cool it would be to not have to listen to the ECNL Shills anymore!
6:06 they had their chance with EDP, same concept.
Keep trying. Of course the folks you need to convince are probably regulars on a girls 12 year old soccer blog.
The "best" ECNL teams could care less what you do. Only the Wildcats in NJ and the non ECNL Penn teams seem to care. You guys are made for each other.
Sounds like one guy from a PA team has a gripe with the ECNL teams. Join them. A lot easier than complaining all the time. With the exception of Penn Fusion it appears that they could use some help. Or are you a coach of one of these "excluded" teams? Hmmm.
5:28 well then if not the ecnl teams, then who are the ones attacking region 1 champions league.Could it be the NE-NPL Teams?They would seem to have the most to lose in the short run as their league would quickly become the weakest of the 3 leagues and irrelevant for strong players.that would cost the ecnl clubs dearly in the pocketbook.If Region 1 league takes off the first casualty will be the new bloated rosters.They would all disappear by fall to all of our benefit.
6:28... Get a life
Ne npl is the weakest now. All B teams and they are going to be a lot weaker come the spring between girls leaving and moving up.
I thought B team girls never moved up?
And if they leave, where could they possibly go?
8:06 maybe you are right. If my kid played in Northeast Girls NPL. I wouldn't care. They play in aleague that sends their champion to a National Event to play teams like NEFC, NYSC, STA, Oakwood, PWSI, NJ Wildcats to name a few. If they win the league why would they care if it's the weakest league. They get to participate in showcase Events in FL and CA if they want against other Strong NPL teams (guaranteed acceptance if they are tops in their league).Okay Great ECNL is Better and So Is region 1 Champions leagues and every other league so WHAT - the champions goes to Nationals. They play 22 league games plus another 15 or so tournament games . Plus they have a play off (which I hate - play offs stink). That would be a total of 40 games played. Right around the USSF 3:1 recomondation - they are playing by what the USSF wants for our kids. So tell me again why they should care? Becasue people want to call their team a "B" team Ouch that would really hurt my feelings. For real.For the record the region 1 Champions league rocks and is a great opportunity for more teams to participate.PS. I think EDP takes the biggest hit.
Plus EDP losing a few teams to EDL in spring season.
"They had their chance with EDP"Didnt the ECNL teams step on that last spring?
9:59 EDP not losing teams to EDL - EDL is their NPL flight for the clubs that are NPL.Just for the record EDP has the same set up as Region 1 Champions League.
Then why set up the champions league. If all these teams where looking to play in that format why didn't they join EDP leagues?
6:51 EDP/MAPS is huge on the boys side. They tried the same thing on the girls side. I think it has great potential. They should have made themselves a US Club Premier League with pro/rel between clubs that qualify and are approved by NPL. As a PL they will have a National Event soon plus the added bonus of games under the CJYSA to qualify for USYSA NCS State Cups.Region 1 Champions League is not a NEW league regardless of what peoplke say. It's a reBRANDof the same structure replacing some key words.Gone is "Premier"in is "Champions League"D2 is the old Colonial and Northeast LeaguesD1 is Premier They always had pro/rel just never called it pro/rel.It is better marketing for the same solid league. I am looking forward to following it in addition to ECNL, NPLs & EDPNew management saw that US Club was picking up a lot of steam and the EDP was getting strong as well, they needed to do something, so why not reBRAND.I wish them luck, they will compete with EDP and NYCSL PL.I also heard there was going to be some type of a partnership with the NE Premiership between NYCSL PL and or EDP.
I guess MF ECNL must have petitioned somebody because they have now been awarded GS points as a Semi-Finalist in the Bethesda tournament.
Good for them
thought ecnl teams didn't care about or need GS points.
I think the difference is region 1 is not exclusionary.Every strong team can qualify regardless of whether they are in a NPL club or not. ECNl and NE_NPL and EDL all limit teams in league to only certain clubs.This divides the good teams into a number of leagues which is a cash grab but divides the highest quality teams into separate leagues and waters everything down.Obviously the strongest league would ONLY have the strength of the applying team as a criteria for joining and flighting.
Is the Storm/EM game still on for tomorrow 2:00@PDA? There have been some posts indicating the EM side was having issues?
Your continuing pitch for Region 1 is getting old. There should be no one on this site that has the ability to move their team from where they are (if they are than shame on them). Of course you could move your daughter. You obviously have chosen not to do that for whatever reason. It is the same arguement we heard last year for EDP. Your PA team (s) need to join EDP and that would be the end of it, however, it appears you do not want to or can't. What is it?
If you were a person that needed to know this information, you would know it.
New Flash!PDA vs. EM Hothsotz game has been moved to Red Bulls Stadium, tickets are going fast, they expect a record crowd of 35, video at 11.
Maybe the winner of the game can move to Region 1 to be the number 8 seed in the Championship division.
This Region 1 league is just a Spring League? Or are they going to try to run it in the fall. So they will compete with EDP and PAGS for teams?
Having a daughter who plays in the npl. I can honestly say the level of play is not very good. Average at best. Except for a few teams which are at the top of npl. The only reason the top teams were better is because they had 3 or 4 better players on their roster than the weaker teams. Those 3 or 4 will be playing ecnl this spring and then what does that do for npl? Weakens the entire league.
9:23Yes there are huge issues going on at EMSC, apparently their u13 pre-ecnl team lost a game to Albertson pre-ecnl, and there is an investigation going on, former head of the CIA is involved, not good.
Boy, I asked a simple quesetion regarding the game/time/location because I was considering taking my daughter to see what should be a good game. Didn't want to make the ride if the game was cancelled/postponed and all this blog has to offer are jack ass reponses. Much appreciated. Classy.
Sorry correction 'question' and 'responses'...before I get the spelling police in on this too.
Dude, lighten-up, I thought those comments were kind of funny, and you have to expect that, this is where the innocent get fried. But something tells me, that you know exactly when and where the game will be, since you are brining a player for one of those teams, hahaha.
There is someone that keeps knocking ECNL and NPL and keeps promoting EDP or Region 1. Why? All are fantastic leagues that offer something a little different. If you don't like a particular league don't have your daughter play there. But don't come on here knocking that particular league to make your league (and therfore your team) seem better. It really is annoying
There is $$$ at stake here. The directors of social media are tasked with promoting their businesses here and on other forums. It is the same theme over and over. Come spend your dollars on my team, club, league.
Looking at the clubs that are part of the ECNL, I must say,this is a pretty impressive list.Having individual teams enter, that may subscribe to different philosophies in training and game day antics just to beat another team, is a bad idea.I have heard of some pretty unsportsman like things that certain teams will do when hosting another team, just for the win.Keeping the ECNL "CLUB" oriented is a great way of keeping teams out that always think they have something to prove and they will employ any tactic, just to say they got the win over another team.I have heard parents on the sidelines tell their kids that if you can't beat them "hurt" them. Play more physical, put her on the groundI have seen coaches dumb down the fields to a band box where a field is virtually unplayable in the hopes of neutralizing a passing a ball around- just to try and enforce their style of over the top play to say that they have beaten a certain team.Keep those types of teams out of the ECNL. It is not good for youth soccer and only gets in the way of true development. I will never agree with one off teams entering the ECNL..... The passion to win a game by any means by some teams would surely get in the way of development
10:48 I am as light as possible. Daughter is not planning to play for either team. Just wanted to take her. NO ulterior motive other than I didn't want to make the drive if cancelled. I should have known better than to try and get a real answer here. My mistake. I will try other avenues to find the answer.
11:09 is the bad mouthing pda storm parent again. We recognize you from your redundant posts.I don't think anyone is asking to join ecnl.I think the point of the Region 1 champions League idea was to get the non-ecnl teams all together in one league.
Like I said my daughter plays in npl. Speaking from my own experience, league is not that good. Have played in EDP and honestly EDP is better. Say what you want. Bunch of weak B teams in Npl. Can't comment on any other leagues, region or super Y.
12:16Not fooling anyone claiming to be in NPL. Be more specific. There are plenty of parents and others who come on here saying how good EDP or Regions is and knocking NPL.
12:14.Nope. But you seem to attach to the post pretty readily.What team does your daughter play for?
Daughter is a free agent. Has played in both EDP and npl. So no team as of right now. Have no problem going to a EDP team though.
NE NPL top 4 just as good as EDP top 4 if not better. How would you claim EDP better? EDP bottom is far worse than next group in NPL.
And the top PA teams (non-ECNL) this Region 1 guy keeps talking about couldn't beat any teams from the top of EDP or NPL.
Didn't Penn Legacy handle Ajax of NE NPL easily 2-0 at spirit this fall.And didn't 1776 just tie MF-NPL at B flight of Bethesda last month?
NE NPL #3 Pda South/Ajax beat EDP Central #1 Wildcats team 3-1 this season.NE NPL much better league.
2:40So you are hanging your hat on 1 win against the #3 team in the NE NPL?
That Penn Legacy/Ajax game never happened
According to GS, Penn Fusion ECNL beat PDA Ajax 2-0
I originally thought the "Regions 1" guy was from Penn Legacy. Now I see he is from 1776.
Also not the Region 1 guy, but I will jump in regarding PAE soccer.Only so much to go on this fall but here it is. All "Premier Elite" PAE teams vs NPL's, fall 2014. I include pre-ecnl because that is also a NPL league. YMSvs. NYSC(NYCSL #1) 4-0vs FC Stars NPL 2-0vs Manhattan SC NPL 3-2vs NJSA EDP 4-1vs Cont FC ECNL 1-0vs FC Bucks ECNL 6-3PENN LEGACYvs NJ Wildcats EDP 1-1vs Calvert Crew EDP 1-1vs NJSA EDP 4-1vs Penn Fusion ECNL 5-1vs Athletico NPL 3-0FC REVOLUTIONvs Penn Fusion NPL 1-0vs STA Morris NPL 2-1 & 3-0RAGE FCvs NJSA EDP 2-0vs Continental ECNL 4-0PA CLASSICSvs ISA NPL 1-0vs STA NPL 0-0vs NJ Crush NPL 1-1Continental FC ECNL 1-0HMMS vs ISA NPL 2-1Actually, I don't think I see a loss!
You haven't played any NE NPL teams or beat the Wildcats. Also, be careful which STA NPL team you reference. 1 is a top 7 team in NJ and the other not in the top 25. Not much to compare to.
So maybe you are right. Why not just get the top PA, NJ and NY teams in a league. Play MD, VA and MA in tournaments.
PA soccer sucks, go back to your caves, no talent hacks!
3:48Is that New England NPL or Northeast NPL?Either way 2:00 said " couldn't beat any teams from the top of EDP or NPL" wasn't specific which one(s) . I think 5 of the teams listed are #1 or #2 in their NPL or EDP leagues. No matches took place with New England NPL, but Penn Fusion NPL and FC Stars NPL are from Northeast NPL.You are right, only 1 of the 2 wins by FC Rev against STA was their top team. My Bad! PAC's tie was against top STA team though.And I hope beating the Wildcats isn't the sole standard of top teams, thats pretty rare!My point is only that the PAE teams(PAGS1) could hold their own with any NPL league(except ecnl). One or two elite teams and then the drop off. Personally I would like to see those top teams play in those "local" leagues in the fall but play a true champions league between the winners or top 2 in the spring(ecnl included). Not optimistic on the new region 1 league personally, will see who signs up.
Cant have it both waysNJ Wildcats point out they beat PDA Then NJ wildcats knock the loss vs PDA NPL team. I checked standings at Bethesda, MF ECNL did finish in 2nd. Points must have been fixed by tournament
4:26 -signed up for Region 1 champions League for this spring season so far:Penn LegacySouth Shore SelectNJ WildcatsBRYC VaPWSI VaGreater Binghampton WNYThose 6 match up pretty well with the top 6 of any league.
MF did not finish 2nd they finished 4th and got semifinal points.
Ajax just doesn't have the consistency to be in the conversation anymore.Plus their team has been raided by Storm.They will still be competitive in the ECNL Clubs B League though as those teams in that league will all be picked clean of any players who can play at top level by fall season.
4:14As always, politics and money. Multiple organizations overseeing youth soccer, and numerous leagues, non of whom are going to give up $, just because its whats best for our girls or the game. So is the immediate future of US soccer. Plus, the ecnl clubs think the rest of us are beneath them, so count them out. Cant imagine too many NPL teams leaving their leagues, they also have a route to a national championship, their own college showcases, and id2 program. Would some play both leagues? Maybe. Who would that leave. Individual quality teams from clubs who don't produce them every year? I think thats what we are going to see in the new Reg 1 league. Could be a strong group of 8-12 but not much more.
4:50How do you know that?
4:58 That i all we need.5 or 6 competitive games to supplement the EDL/EDP season and play less tournaments, maybe 2 per season instead of 3.Still would have EDP road to NPL nationals and add those 5 or 6 great games to each seasons schedule and an additional shot at nationals as wild card to region 1 tournament if you win region 1 champions league.Just would add more good games and more opportunities.
4:51 let me help you out.2 brackets of 41st place winners advance to finals- winner receives champion points, loser receives finalist points2nd place teams are awarded semi finalist for both brackets.Per your comment, this team finished 4 out of 8 teams = semi finalist!!!! Bone headWhat loser is checking gotsoccer points on teams that they do not belong to? Get a life!
5:02 I asked.It's not a closely held secret who has applied.
5:03 that is exactly what 4:51 said.Overall they finished 4th out of 8 not 2nd.they finished 2nd out of 4 on their side of bracket but 4th overall.
5:02That I would be happy with, I was concerned those top 8-12 would be spread across 4 regions with 2 dozen weaker teams.5:03Stupid me, I was watching their website for list!
1:41How is your daughter a free agent?How does this happen in December?
Wildcats have not beaten any U13 PDA teams. They are 0-1 this year. Ajax lost 2 players to Storm?Are Wildcats implying that 2 girls dominated them in their 3-1 win this season?
OooooooooStorm poaching once again......Player from RAGE, I gather?
Poaching? Isn't that what players want on "B" team?
To 948 am. You said ". Except for a few teams which are at the top of npl. The only reason the top teams were better is because they had 3 or 4 better players on their roster than the weaker teams. Those 3 or 4 will be playing ecnl this spring and then what does that do for npl? Weakens the entire league"When u say the top girls will be playing ecnl in the spring do you mean they will be moving up to their clubs "A" team ? Or moving to a different team that is ecnl ?
NE-NPL is a league for the ecnl's farm teams.That is all they are now.1 or 2 kids per year might get a look see with the big club when someone is hurt or unavailable , otherwise it will just be an income stream to use to finance scholarships for the players the A team wants to recruit from teams outside the club.Players at the bottom pay for free rides for players at the top.A pyramid scheme similar to the model ODP uses.
4:25 who's your kid play for? Would LOVE to see your kids team play my kids team. Jackass.
Those pyramid B teams are top 3-5 teams in the state of NJ. I guess those girls should go play for a 6-10 team instead. What is wrong with them.
What players are moving to ECNL team. I keep hearing this on Blog. Nothing being done at clubs with exception of AJAX Player
12/12 5:15When your coaches or trainers or managers caterto the select few and chosen ones and they continue to kiss the a** of the person that brought the entire team over to the club. You have to know when to pull the plug. That's how she is a free agent. Have to do what is right for your daughter
732What teams are you interested in joining, Albertson?
7:32 is easy to guess.Not the only one who feels that way on that team.It's a shame what was done to them.Inside job.
Hey 8:09 - Pyramid "Schemes", not Pyramid Teams. Too funny.
sounds like an NJX/matchfit revolt
All those B teams joining other NPL teams to play in front of the below 1 Schools in FL. Only listed D1 schools. Not a bad opportunity for B teams players to showcase their skills.Go ahead and leave, the choice is yours.Division 1 Alabama State UniversityBoston UniversityBryant UniversityDuquesne UniversityFairleigh Dickinson UniversityLoyola University MarylandMarist CollegeNew Jersey Institute of TechnologyProvidence CollegeRutgers University - New BrunswickSeton Hall UniversitySouth Carolina State UniversitySt. Josephs University (PA)Temple UniversityTowson UniversityUnited States Military AcademyUniversity of NC - WilmingtonUniversity of PennsylvaniaUniversity of Rhode IslandYale University
PS. This is only year 2 for Girls NPL and their first showcase.
" Life Lessons "....turn and burn when the going gets tough!
11:06simple phrase by a simple person.You can also use the phrase, "you gotta know when to hold up , know when to fold up, know when to walk away, know when to run"You see you just have to be smart enough to know, which phrase apples to their situation. Unless you are in their shoes, better to keep your mouth shut
If its the same 6 or 7 that play the entire game, whose showcase is it. That's right its my dime paying for the jackasses drinks at the bar that keeps playing the same players
7:32Which teams will you be looking at?I wish you luck. That was a situation (MF and Holmdel NJX) that was obviously not going to work out swimmingly for all involved.
Heard the really dysfunctional parents from that team left for the loooong roster at PDA Storm.Should be up to 30 on that roster by spring. What a show that team will be in the spring.Can't wait until we start hearing about those horror stories.they certainly won't have to worry about players covering if they have any injuries.
PDA added players to Storm roster?How many?they have 23 currently correct?
4 from MF NPL B Team moving over.That has to be tough for players from Ajax and Dragons to swallow.
they are offering the parents 10 cents on the dollar to sell back to the club those magic beans they bought 2 years ago.Remember when 8 of them were going to be on the U14 ECNL Team at U14?Oh yeah and the 8 were going to train separately in Hazlet and just have to drive up north 1 time per month and then all meet at the field for the games. Plus the DOC was going to train them and coach them this fall/spring?
What's going to be left of MF NPL after all these moves?
The handwriting has been on the wall for some time with that team.Unrealistic parents will just believe whatever the club tells them if it is what they want to believe is the truth.
so now what, about 70 players on 3 pda u13 teams?but hey they will need all those payers for when there are injuries on the ecnl team.
PDA now Number 1,2,3 teams in NJ. If you can't beat them.,,,,
No MF NPL players leaving. Nice tryActually heard a PDA player joined MF North program
Pda over east meadow. 3-1
pda #3 #4 and #6 in nj rankings.
Thanks 4:12 so that ends the Pre-ECNL flight for the fall. Who won the World Class FC 01 NPL vs FSA FC 01 NPL? Did they ever play this game? or Did they just forget to call in the score.At the half way point the NPL Fall Champions are listed below: Spring will decide who goes to Indiana.PDA Pre-ECNLPDA North NPLNYSC NEFCPWSI EDL starting this Spring.To the Region 1 Champions League guy, IS it a straight through league Spring/Fall with the winner going to next year's Region 1 Tournament? or does the spring winner go to WV this year?
Oh the select players that have been treated like royalty at MF npl believe they can go to PDA any time they want and will dictate who will play and where, like they do now. Truth is only one kid from npl will make the storm. Just saying
Is Match Fit North still picking up PDA's B team players? They weren't good enough to play on the Storm but they are good enough to play for Match Fit pre ECNL. I also call that a punch in the gut to the Match Fit NPL players. While this player will play against better players, your NPL team is stuck playing b level players. SMH
Always someone poking the top team and programs. PDA and MF keep getting stronger and it kills you.
4:31That is before fall points are given out in the other leagues. The cream will rise to the top. Always does. 4:50So what B team players go to higher teams. Not always easy to judge talent under your nose. Plenty of B team PDA girls move up if they deserve it. But if the girls are on B so what? Still top teams in NJ and Nation.
4:50 how about PDA players just had enough paying coach for side training to keep their spot on team.
5:40 Now I am really SMH. No different at Match Fit. MFA doesn't stand for Match Fit Academy!
Top 3 dreams in the nation.
I thought pda and mf didn't card about GS rankings or points?Oh wait, it's only like when they lose they don't care about winning, except when they win.
4 MF girls training with PDA. Gonna hit the fan
Makes senseThey are close - and PDA always mixes up the stew
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9:36 stirring up anything or do you have some proof? MF NPL Players?
NJ top 1:1- PDA StormNuff said!
I am so sick of hearing about Storm. At least 2 NPL teams are better. We have proven it many times
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