Wednesday, July 1, 2015

U14G / U14 Girls Youth Soccer

U14G  / U14 Girls youth soccer seems to offer the most teams and the widest diversity of talent.

Where these players will end up is anyone guess.

Welcome to the ride.

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Anonymous said...

When yous ay top 3 Jeffereson flights do you mean top 5 divisions?

Are Elite and Superior treated as equals?

I do see STA moved from 5th division to third. TSF went from 4th to 5th - and someone moved from 3 to 4.

Anonymous said...

Let’s all be honest for once, who really cares about any flight other than the one your daughter’s team is playing in.

Anonymous said...

2:24

I think you mean Are Superior orange and Superior black equal - same with Elite orange and black

Anonymous said...

let's look at NYCSL NPL 2015-2016.
The best team in the league, 1st place by 7 pts is placed by jefferson cup in F5, while STA who is 7 points behind and lost head 2 head to NJ Crush is in F3. What's the criteria here?

F5 Superior 27pts NJ Crush FC NPL-01
F3 Elite 20pts STA NPL-01
F6 Platinum 20pts Intense Soccer Academy NPL-01
F8 Platinum 18pts Massapequa Soccer Club NPL-01
F7 Platinum 13pts New York Soccer Club NPL-01

Anonymous said...

Wow GPS only has 7pts in the New England Girls NPL and is in 3rd from last - 1 spot and 2 pts better than Syracuse who's 8 flights below. Think they missed on this one. GPS way to high

F2 Elite 16 pts OAKWOOD SC
F3 Elite 7pts GPS-MA NPL GIRLS 01/02
F11 Premier 5pts SYRACUSE DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY SDA U14G

Anonymous said...












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US Club Soccer update on U.S. Soccer's birth-year registration mandate


CHARLESTON, S.C. (Jan. 25, 2016) - As previously announced in September 2015, US Club Soccer will be implementing the U.S. Soccer Federation’s birth-year registration mandates on Aug. 1, 2016.

This means that all youth competitions beginning Aug. 1, 2016 will be based on age group cut-offs of January 1 for each age group. Due to additional interpretative changes by U.S. Soccer since this announcement in how competition age groups are labeled, US Club Soccer and other sanctioning bodies are now clarifying the age group structures for the 2016-2017 season.

Beginning Aug. 1, 2016, all youth soccer sanctioning organizations will form competitions based on birth-year age groups.
Beginning Aug. 1, 2016, US Club Soccer will be using the following birth-year “labels” for competition, based upon the season in which competition ends. For example:
Players born from January 1, 1998 – December 31, 1998 will be labeled as Under-19s.
Players born from January 1, 1999 – December 31, 1999 will be labeled as Under-18s.
Players born from January 1, 2000 – December 31, 2000 will be labeled as Under-17s.
For any birth year, the age group “label” will be determined by subtracting the year in which the players participating in the competition were born from the year in which competition ends.

Anonymous said...

Platinum is all F4, no difference between the flights in that group.

Anonymous said...

I agree 5:31 but how is STA Elite on u14 body of work?

All over the place NPL Northeast Girls League. 1st place team in F3 while 3rd place Dragons in F6 in spite of only dropping head 2 head 1-0. They are even below PF NPL who they beat 3-0 and are 10points ahead in the standings, Not Sure how WC, Boston and EM are all below FC Stars.

F3 Elite 32pts PDA South 01 NPL
F6 Platinum 28pts PDA North 01 NPL
F10 Classic 23pts World Class FC 01 NPL
F11 Premier 21pts FC Boston 01 NPL
F10 Classic 21pts East Meadow SC 01 NPL
F5 Superior 18pts Penn Fusion SA 01 NPL
F8 Platinum 14pts FC Stars of Mass 01 NPL
F10 Classic 7pts Connecticut FC 01 NPL
F10 Classic 4pts Albertson SC 01 NPL

Anonymous said...

5:33, please don’t get me started on their decision making, a little too much moonshine in my opinion.

Anonymous said...

Don't understand EDP placements at jefferson either. For starters they took the D2 North team South Central and placed them F4 a flight ahead of TSF the 1st place team D1 North. Also NJ Wildcats galaxy as the 2ndplace team in 3flights ahead of TSF and 4 points below. They have 1 point more than Ramapo who wasalsof1 at Stars but are 7 flights aheadof them. Not sure why so many teams in Superior from D1 Central as the NJ Wildcats NPL had a +24 goal differential they Scored 6on LVU and 4 on the Ukranians. South has the biggest head scratcher of them all, Calvert in 5th out of 8 has only 8 pts but is F3 Elite (What) they have 1 ptmore than Boca who's in F10.

1st Division North
F5 Superior 18pts TSF ACADEMY 01/02G
F2 Elite 14pts NJ WILDCATS GALAXY
F9 Classic 13pts RAMAPO VALLEY SC TORNADOS '02
F11 Premier 8 pts HBC SPARK

1st Division Central
F1 Championship 21pts NJ WILDCATS AVERBUCH-NPL
F4 Superior 18pts NEW JERSEY RUSH 01 GIRLS BLUE
F4 Superior 15pts LEHIGH VALLEY UNITED LVU 01 GIRLS
F5 Superior 8pts UKRAINIAN NATIONALS BLASTERS BLACK
F7 Platinum 7pts REAL SOUNDERS
F9 Classic 4pts PDA SHORE FUSION
F10 Classic 2pts FC COPA ACADEMY G01 NPL LIMA

1st Division South
F1 Championship 24pts PENN LEGACY FC 01 BLACK
F2 Elite 19pts 1776 UNITED FC XTREME
F7 Platinum 14pts HFC READY '01
F6 Platinum 11pts HARFORD FC UNITED THUNDER
F3 Elite 8pts CESC CALVERT CREW WHITE
F9 Classic 7pts RAGE SC '01 ATHLETICA
F8 Platinum 7pts PIPELINE BLACK
F10 Classic 7pts JERSEY SHORE BOCA JR FC FUSION

2nd Division North
F4 Superior 22pts SOUTH CENTRAL PREMIER SPIRIT

Anonymous said...

Hardest thing to believe is how the best U14 in PA is in the last bracket?

Anonymous said...

I agree 6:30 Jefferson cup awarding point chasers. The top 2 teams are in F11 while the 2 teams that didn't honor their commitment to their league were rewarded with F3 & F4 spots. Such is life, rack up those tournament appearances is the message we are sending.

Philadelphia Area Girls Soccer
F11 premier 18 pts LDC UNITED Attack
F11 premier 17 pts PENN UTD FORCE FC '01
F3 elite 16 pts PA CLASSICS Academy 01
F4 superior 14 pts YMS Banshees
F8 platinum 11 pts HMMS Eagle FC Spirit
F6 platinum 8 pts HULMEVILLE Dynamo

Anonymous said...

2015-16 National League U14G

With only the Players College Showcase left March 18-20 in Las Vegas

The following is up for Grabs:

The top two teams from each division (Blue and Red) advance to the US Youth Soccer National Championships

The top two teams from each age group division also secure a spot to return to National League play the following season


Blue
8 - (MA) South Shore Select Elite
8 - (CA-S) Legends FC 01
6 - (TN) Tennessee SC 20
5 - (MI) PSG MI Gators 02 Orange
4 - (OH-S) TFA Elite 01
4 - (NY-W) Empire United SA Rochester
4 - (CA-S) LA Galaxy South Bay Elite
3 - (NC) TFCA 01 Alliance

Red
12 - (OH-S) CUP Gold 01/02
10 - (NY-W) Greater Binghamton United FC
7 - (MI) Michigan Jaguars 02 Green
5 - (CA-S) Fullerton Rangers 01 White
4 - (AZ) Scottsdale 02 Blackhawks
3 - (GA) United FA 02 Premier
3 - (LA) 02 Louisiana Fire Red
1 - (PA-W) Century V 01/02 Gold

Anonymous said...

2016 Region I Champions League

Elite Division Champion & Runner-Up qualify for National League

Red
1776 UNITED FC XTREME
BRADDOCK ROAD YC 01 ELITE
CENTURY V 0102 GOLD
HARFORD FC UNITED THUNDER
HMMS EAGLE FC 01 SPIRIT
LOUDOUN SOCCER 01 G RED
PWSI COURAGE 01G RED
RHINOS ELITE SC 01/02
Blue
BEADLING SC ELITE
EMPIRE UNITED ROCHESTER 01/02
FC FREDERICK '01
GREATER BINGHAMTON UNITED FC 01 SELECT
PENN LEGACY 01 BLACK F14
SOUTH SHORE SELECT U14 ELITE
UKRAINIAN NATIONALS BLASTERS BLACK
YARDLEY MAKEFIELD SOCCER BANSHEES


2/6/2015
GREATER BINGHAMTON UNITED FC 01 SELECT
YARDLEY MAKEFIELD SOCCER BANSHEES

CENTURY V 0102 GOLD
HMMS EAGLE FC 01 SPIRIT

BEADLING SC ELITE
UKRAINIAN NATIONALS BLASTERS BLACK

2/7/2016
BRADDOCK ROAD YC 01 ELITE
1776 UNITED FC XTREME

Anonymous said...

Dude - stop filling the blog with non conversational gobbledygook

Anonymous said...

More changes

Penn Fusion NPL dropped to 5th

FC Carolina Alliance Green up to 4th

Anonymous said...

Some of us like that gobbledygook. How many useless response post just like yours and The Spell Check Nazi eat up space one here? At least the Spell Check Nazi is good for those us that are grammatically challenged. And wouldn't we be lost without GS 4 Life's listings of gobbledygook and other pertinent information or Soccer Nut's musings? Now stop wasting space by posting about wasting space.

Anonymous said...

@ 10:14 - Very well said, and generally well spelled, BTW. Good post.

I only comment on bad spelling when it pertains to insulting another poster's intelligence.

Add this post as wasting space as well.

Are we saving space here for a cure for any particular disease?

Anonymous said...

Looks like Penn United will be dropped into the next bracket in the small hope Penn United coach will not feel he is being cheated against that type of competition.

Anonymous said...

So, the Region I league 0 the Red is top bracket and Blue is bottom, right?

Anonymous said...

Not sure I want to waste the money traveling to Jeff now team down to F4 after beating teams somehow placed in higher flights. What a joke/waste of time/waste of $-

Anonymous said...

I hear you. I can count 4 teams that we have beaten in the last year that are flighted higher. That being said, I'm sure will get very good competitive games.

Anonymous said...

Well, the higher flighted teams cant go undefeated. I am sure your team lost to some lowlies as well

Cheers - hope we all get good weather and decent teenage officiating.

Anonymous said...

true dat!

Anonymous said...

12:41 I agree but some lose more than they should at tournaments did not win their league but yet still find the high flights. YES it helps to know people from the looks of things. Number of Ls using GS only with (u14 Tournaments). Just the first page of GS

0 (2) FC VIRGINIA ECNL 01
1 (3) ISA ATLETICO 01/02 NPL
1 (3) LEHIGH VALLEY UNITED LVU 01 GIRLS
2 (3) HULMEVILLE SC DYNAMO
2 (3) NEW JERSEY RUSH 01 GIRLS BLUE
2 (3) PENN LEGACY 01 BLACK F14
2 (3) PENN FUSION SA '01G NPL
2 (3) YARDLEY MAKEFIELD SOCCER YMS BANSHEES
3 (4) BRADDOCK ROAD YC 01 ELITE
3 (3) UKRAINIAN NATIONALS BLASTERS BLACK
4 (4) NJ WILDCATS AVERBUCH-NPL
4 (4) 1776 UNITED FC XTREME
4 (4) NJ WILDCATS GALAXY
5 (4) GPS-MA NPL GIRLS 01/02
6 (4) PA CLASSICS ACADEMY 01
7 (4) NEW YORK SC G01

Anonymous said...

PAGE 2 OF REGION1 GS rankings

Number of Ls using GS only with (u14 Tournaments)

1 (1) SOUTH CENTRAL PREMIER SPIRIT
2 (4) BETHESDA SC EXPRESS ECNL 01
2 (3) PDA SHORE FUSION
2 (2) OAKWOOD SC
3 (2) FC STARS OF MASS WEST UNITED 01/02
3 (2) PWSI COURAGE 01G RED
3 (3) HFC READY '01
3 (3) FC BOSTON SCORPIONS NORTH U14 ELITE
4 (3) STA MORRIS UNITED NPL 01
4 (3) TSF ACADEMY 01/02G
4 (3) CONTINENTAL FC DELCO ECNL '01
4 (4) ALBERTSON SC FURY '01 ECNL
5 (4) MASSAPEQUA NPL LIL' ROWDIES
5 (3) CESC CALVERT-ELITE CREW
6 (5) JERSEY SHORE BOCA JR FC FUSION
6 (4) REAL NJSC SOUNDERS
7 (5) NJ CRUSH FC TSUNAMI 01 NPL
7 (3) FC FREDERICK '01

Anonymous said...

12:38 teams with 5 or more Ls and their Flight at jefferson - some are right some are way to high

flight (Ls)
F2 (7) FC FREDERICK '01
F3 (5) GPS-MA NPL GIRLS 01/02
F3 (5) CESC CALVERT-ELITE CREW
F3 (6) PA CLASSICS ACADEMY 01
F5 (7) NJ CRUSH FC TSUNAMI 01 NPL
F7 (6) REAL NJSC SOUNDERS
F7 (7) NEW YORK SC G01
F8 (5) MASSAPEQUA NPL LIL' ROWDIES
F10 (6) JERSEY SHORE BOCA JR FC FUSION

Anonymous said...

Unless your in F1 does it really matter what flight at Jeff Cup, the point is for the team to travel and seem different teams correct? Next year is showcasing anyway.

Anonymous said...

Yep. 1:30

Jefferson is just a tune up tournament

Gte the touches for all,, see where you are at re: personnel (in shape/out of shape - still not quite back from injury/fully ready for comp, got stronger, reinvested themselves/fell back, etc)

Who knows - some may be trying a new formation as well. A new process re: subbing...... or other nuances.

Some could have even changed head men/women on their staff over the winter - or added to staff with a new set of eyes.

Early spring snap back to competition is what it is. I dont know any not looking forward to it.

Anonymous said...

Given the lack of communication with the ECNL since the task force dispersed 15 months ago, it seems unlikely the two are merging outright, which gives the federation’s announcement a heightened glow of anticipatory radiance. However dramatically, the state of girls soccer development in the U.S. is about to change. We're about to find out how much.

The above was published today. It looks like US Soccer chose to go their own way and not work with ECNL to form the new DA but in fact repalce ECNL at the top level of development.

Anonymous said...

Driving 6+ Hrs. to VA to play weaker teams is not my idea of a good use of time or $. And spring tune up for what exactly?

Anonymous said...

How is Calvert F3? Have the won anything at all this year? Heck go back to last year even. Don't see a single impressive win.

Anonymous said...

Who knows.. Depends on how controlled the costs are. Unless it is accessible to more talent than can afford the ENCL, it feels like same story just different channel.

Anonymous said...

Majority of ECNL players will slide over to DA.

Anonymous said...

Sounds like you are a tired parent on your way our 2:28

Good luck in your next endeavor

Anonymous said...

Some of these clubs complaining about their flight have also lost all of the games they played in the last two years. Maybe this is why you have been put down so low. And just maybe they use their own tournament to measure teams and not some easy leagues that some teams play in.

Anonymous said...

2:28 Sounds like your a little upset about your teams flight position? Because if your team was in F1, you wouldn't be bitching about the competition (unless your PDA or FCV). I think Jeff did a decent job with their placements and keeping the brackets fairly competitive.
Someone posted about Jeff officials bracketing teams higher because they might know certain teams, how did that work out for Richmond last year? There are always teams that are flighted lower or higher than they should, usually its just comes to simply showing well while your there and climbing up the ladder next year. Unless your PAC, the ladder must have been a little slippery.
Does anyone know if Jeff even takes league play into account?

Anonymous said...

3:47 I don't think so, while doing my research, I noticed a few teams in lower flights even thought they were higher in the league table and won a head to head game. GotSoccer a big part of these flights. Jeff just rewarding teams that played a lot which is cool.

Anonymous said...

@ 3:47

Decent job is a stretch at best. Would prefer ping pong draw at this point just to play some different teams.

Anonymous said...

If Jeff could somehow just have five brackets, I think you would see a lot less bitching about where teams are slotted. But with so many teams, is that an impossibility?

Anonymous said...

It pretty much IS 5 groupings of teams

Group 1 is 8 teams - championship

Group 2 is 16 teams - elite

Group 3 is 16 teams - superior

Group 4 is 24 teams - platinum

Group 5 is 28 teams - classic

Anonymous said...

Thank you! I knew I wasn't the only person who understood this. When you realize that different colors do not denote different flights but just seperate groups within the same flight, the placements make more sense. Of course some will still see flaws but you can't please everyone. All in all a good job by Jeff.

Anonymous said...

The Federation's move here is nothing more than a power play against the Clubs. They are not happy that the ECNL has marginalized ODP and this is the payback.

Anonymous said...

And within each group you have an order a,b,c

Anonymous said...

10:46 i disagree

ODP is a USYSA program why would the USSF pick a side?

The USSF sees the $$$$ don't kid yourself. They know all the great players that picked the ECNL because it was the top league will also pick the girls DA if their club isn't included.

I wonder if the clubs were contacted by the USSF already?

Anonymous said...

10:53

You are just simply wrong.

Anonymous said...

9:52 is right. To add on to that, they also prefer to schedule teams from the same area in different brackets/sides, so you don't wind up driving hours to play the same team that you normally play, unless it's in the playoffs.

This might push a team or two up or down a bracket, but there is no perfect formula. I see ECNL teams up and down the list, 3 in the Champion bracket.

Anonymous said...

So why were teams moved up and down within a group then? If it doesn't matter? Check original post with flights - you'll see who moved up and who moved down - not out of the flight but within the flight.

If Elite is F2 why are the below teams in it?

GPS-MA NPL GIRLS 01/02 (MA) - lost 5 tournament games and that doesn't include the beating they got in the New England NPL.

STA MORRIS UNITED NPL 01 (NJ) - poor showing FC Stars and currently isin 3rd place in league but somehow they are ahead of 1 and 2.

ALBERTSON FURY U14 ECNL (NYE) bottom of ECNL division

CALVERT CREW WHITE (MD) -this team is not the same team - just look at their results not atthe top of EDP division combined with 5 tournament Ls

PA CLASSICS ACADEMY 01 (PAE) what are they 3rd or 4th in a weak PAGS plus also have 6 Ls in tournament play.

FC FREDERICK '01 (MD) how is this team F2 if we don't use U13 results? They have 7 Lsin tournament play.

NJ WILDCATS GALAXY (NJ) - WOW that's all i'll say to this one. Didn't even win a week EDP North.

NSA TWISTERS (IL) - no nothing about this team so no comments.

Anonymous said...

Really 11:13 then explain this one

Superior
Group A
LEHIGH VALLEY UNITED LVU 01 GIRLS (PAE) - EDP D1 Central 3rd place
NEW JERSEY RUSH 01 GIRLS BLUE (NJ) - EDP D1 Central 2nd place
SOUTH CENTRAL PREMIER SPIRIT (CT) - EDP D2 North - how is this team not in F11?

Oh yeah - they don't use GS - this is the one that stands out the most- D2 and is F3 ahead of so many teams that have earned so much more.

Anonymous said...

Where is " SLICK"???????

Anonymous said...

Albertson won NEWSS

That's recent, if you werent aware

GPS is a bit of a strange one

STA doesnt need defending

Anonymous said...

11:20

No room for Ajax in your rant?

Anonymous said...

@11:25
Once you get past Championship and Elite, does it really matter???

Anonymous said...

12:24, tell us what team you are with coward, go ahead and let us know how perfect you are, how elitist you feel your offspring are, tell us how only you deserve to be happy. Coward.

Anonymous said...

11:25. Just win the bracket you are placed in. South Central is the Connecticut State Champion. Win the State Championships or Regionals and you should get the higher placements until there is a demonstrable change in your team/results. As noted previously, all the Connecticut teams will also be stronger now that they have their 2001s back on their teams. Look to see CFC ECNL run the table in their bracket by a big margin. They also just picked up another nice forward. Oakwood should be stronger but they have at least one scorer that will move up to their 15s for the Spring. I like the geographic distribution they have in the brackets.

Anonymous said...

12:24 isn't that my point - they have the wrong teams in Elite

11:54 1st Albertson beat MSC, NJCSA Calvert & Yankee at NEWWS, so what does that prove? I agree about Ajax but they are PDA 2nd team even though Dragons have proved to be their equal head 2 head and have gone further in NPL. My bad on NJ Wildcats Galaxy got them confused, I thought that had more Ls.
I stand by my rant - PAC, Albertson, GPS, Frederick & Calvert not F2 material just look at their winning%. Although Frederick did go to nationals at F13 but that shouldn't matter since it was u13 right?

NJ WILDCATS GALAXY (NJ)
W-T-L
4-2-1 EDP North D1
9-1-4 Tournaments
13-3-5

PDA Ajax
W-T-L
10-2-0 NorthEast NPL
1-1-4 Tournaments
11-3-4

STA
W-T-L
6-2-1 NYCSL NPL
2-0-0 EDP
4-3-4 Tournaments
12-5-5

PA CLASSICS ACADEMY 01 (PAE)
W-T-L
5-1-2 PAGS D1
5-1-6 Tournaments
10-2-8

Albertson
W-T-L
5-3-3 ECNL
6-3-4 Tournaments
11-6-7

FC FREDERICK '01 (MD)
W-T-L
8-0-0 CCL
1-1-7 Tournaments
9-1-7

GPS-MA NPL GIRLS 01/02
W-T-L
2-1-4 New England NPL
7-2-5 Tournaments
9-3-9

CALVERT CREW WHITE (MD)
W-T-L
2-3-3 EDP South D1
0-4-5 Tournaments
2-7-8

Anonymous said...

12:44 CT State Champ at u13 and EDP Division 2- do you want me to include u13?

Anonymous said...

My take from comparing results you posted from both league and tournament play is that both CCL and NE-NPL are extremely weak leagues and a strong record in those 2 leagues is not enough to flight their teams high.

Anonymous said...

I don't argue that but I can say the same about most leagues.

PAGS D1
EDP North
EDP Central
EDP South
NYCSL NPL
VA NPL
CCL
NorthEast NPL
NewEngland NPL
NEP

So what do you base it on?

Anonymous said...

Disagree only CCL and NE-NPL had teams on top of table that completely crapped out in tournamanet play on a consistent basis. that speaks to those teams being over flighted based on strong record in weak league play.

Anonymous said...

Was CT State Cup also not fairly weak?

Anonymous said...

1:40 I agree - and since we are talking State Cups let's see how many teams played in national events.

F1 NJ Wildcats - NPL Finals - Indiana - Did Not get out of group.
F2 FC Frederick - USYSA Nationals - last place - 0 goals scored
F2 STA - NPL Finals - Indiana - Did not get out of group
F2 NSA Twisters - National Cup - Indiana - Did not get out of group
F4 FC Virginia - NPL Finals - Indiana - did not get out of group.
F4 PDA Dragons - NPL Finals - Indiana - Final4
F4 New York SC G01 - National Cup - Indiana - did not get out of group

Where are the PDA Dragon people - if anyone has a reason to be upset it's them. Not only did they go the furthest, but they played 4 out of the six teams and won 3 of them with a tie vs the 4th.

Anonymous said...

Yeah, but we tied the best team in the country 0-0, that has got to count for something???

I can use that next time I go to the gas station...

Anonymous said...

How about giving us some credit for WINNING the State Cup, yes? Its not what you have done for me lately, its what you have done previously that counts the most. Just ask me, and I will tell you, truthfully, and without biased, that we are the best team ever, just ask me.

Anonymous said...

You are only as good as your last game or your last tourney

Anonymous said...

I agree 3:16 NEFC best team in the country and a 0:0 draw is impressive. I thought for sure NYSC would be in the NPL finals last season. not sure what happened this season with the team, I'm sure you'll turn it around as there is a playoff system this year so you are still very much still in the picture for Denver in July, although your side of the table is a little harder, NJ Crush and STA have the easier side and will probably be there along with ISA and the 2 MSC clubs. Should be an interesting ride this spring for your girls. However, Based on your results I think you guys are in the correct flight, but i would be pissed off that a EDP D2 team is higher.

Below are the results NEFC put together vs Jeff Cup teams - you see it doesn't matter U13/u14 a good team is a good team.

11;1 SYRACUSE DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY SDA U14G (NYW)
8:0 SYRACUSE DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY SDA U13G (NYW)
7:0 OAKWOOD SC (CT)
7:0 GPS-MA NPL GIRLS 01/02 (MA)
5:0 GPS-MA NPL GIRLS 01/02 (MA)
4:0 BOSTON BREAKERS ACADEMY BBA NORTH (MA)
4:0 PDA NORTH 01 NPL (NJ)
4;1 GPS-MA NPL GIRLS 01/02 (MA)
4;1 WORLD CLASS FC '01 ECNL (NYE)
4;1 OAKWOOD SC (CT)
3;1 PENN LEGACY FC 01 BLACK (PAE)
3;2 STA NPL 01G
2:0 FC STARS OF MASS WEST UNITED (MA)
2;1 WORLD CLASS FC '01 CHARLTON (NYE)
2;1 EAST MEADOW HOTSHOTZ (NYE)
1:0 FC VIRGINIA PRE-ECNL 01 (VA)
0:0 New York SC G01

Anonymous said...

3:20 Credit for State Cup? you want props. Where was CFC ECNL,NPL, FSA ECNL, NPL, Oakwood? people talk about CCL and NorthEast Girls NPL being weak.

I stand corrected Jeff Cup people got it right with the CT state champion. Well maybe they should be F2 instead of F3 they should replace Oakwood since Oakwood lost a game 7-0. No F2 team can drop a game by more than 5 goals


Girls U13 CJSA State Cup
Flight Ranking Value: 3124
Champion SOUTH CENTRAL PREMIER SPIRIT (CT)
Finalist CFC ARSENAL ORANGE (CT)
Semi-Finalist SOUTHEAST GIRLS U13 (CT)
Semi-Finalist NEWTOWN WOLFPACK (CT)

ACADEMICA FC PRIDE 01/02 (CT)
BURLINGTON AJAX (CT)
CFC SOUND U13 (CT)
CONNECTICUT FOOTBALL CHELSEA PIERS (USA)
CT RUSH SOUTHWEST CT RUSH SW 01/02G (CT)
FAIRFIELD UNITED FORCE (CT)
FSA FC U13 GIRLS ELITE 01 (CT)
FSC FOUNDATION SC (CT)
MIDDLETOWN YOUTH SOCCER SPORTING CT (CT)
PSC DYNAMO (CT)
REVOLUTION UNITED REVOLUTION 01 GIRLS (CT)
ROCKY HILL/CFC CFC WOLVES (CT)
SIMMONS PSC SIMMONS GOLDEN EAGLES (CT)
SOUTH CENTRAL PREMIER SURGE (CT)

Anonymous said...

3:48

New York State Cup (US Club), not the stupid CT Cup.

Anonymous said...

12:45 Your post really showed what happens to teams that are flighted to high in tournament play. Those won-loss records for Ajax, PAC, Fredrick and Calvert have been achieved by being in flights they were not ready for. Really surprised by how bad Fredrick and Calvert's tournament record was.

Anonymous said...

3:20 Obviously you are trying to start trouble... Relax - no one is taking the bait. The latest NJ State Cup winner, we know is a 10-15th best team in NJ.... do not dismiss it as nothing though... njcsa beat who they had to beat, with, or without players from Boca, or other teams... they still won.
Stop stirring the pot, it's old news.

Anonymous said...

11:36 you are the only one stirring the pot pal.

Follow the posts

3:20 >>> 3:38 >>> 5:47 it is very clear the posts are about NYSC and the flight they were assigned. They won US Club state cup and advanced to National Cup where they did not get out of the group but tied the best team in Region1 NEFC.

So there is only one reason you brought up NJCSA - you want some negative posts in their direction, so we can read positive posts from fools like myself - they are not even at Jeff Cup but somehow you want them to be part of the conversation. Genius, since I fell for it.

Thanks 5:56 - just wanted to show how subjective these events are, the 4 teams you mentioned should be in Superior,with Frederick/Calvert possibly being lower.

Anonymous said...

@1136.....You make an excellent point. I'll just add no different than the Wildcats Aver team getting knocked out of the first round of that same NJ State Cup tournament last fall to a much lower ranked team so gotta give some credit to NJCSA. I mean the Wildcats Aver team has yet to win ANY tournament & in one of them couldn't even get out of a first round in the 2nd flight which your 'A' team won. All old news though, you are right.

Anonymous said...

Since we identified teams that are to high in Elite - let's do Superior next - I only did 8 teams - will do other 8 later. LVU can make a strong case, while NJ Crush can make a case not as strong though - all others should be Superior except for Mclean and Loudoun they each have over 10Ls - way to high but they are from VA

LEHIGH VALLEY UNITED LVU 01 GIRLS (PAE)
6-0-2 EDP Central
1-0-0 EDP NPL
11-1-1 Tournaments
18-1-3

NJ CRUSH FC TSUNAMI 01 NPL (NJ)
9-0-0 NYCSL NPL
4-0-0 EDP
4-1-7 Tournaments
17-1-7

FC BOSTON BBA NORTH U14 ELITE (MA)
5-3-0 NEP Premiership North
6-1-3 Tournaments
11-4-3

FC STARS OF MASS WEST UNITED 01/02 (MA)
6-2-0 NEP Premiership Central
3-0-3 Tournaments
9-2-5

FC CAROLINA ALLIANCE GREEN (NC)
8-0-1 Southern regional Premier League
0-0-0 Tournaments
8-0-1

CAROLINA ELITE SA 01G ECNL (SC)
5-2-5 ECNL
0-0-0 Tournaments
5-2-5

LOUDOUN 01G RED (VA)
4-1-3 CCL
0-2-7 Tournaments
4-3-10

MCLEAN U14 GIRLS ECNL (VA)
0-2-7 ECNL
5-1-5 Tournaments
5-1-12

To Follow:
NEW JERSEY RUSH 01 GIRLS BLUE (NJ)
SOUTH CENTRAL PREMIER SPIRIT (CT)
PWSI COURAGE 01G RED (VA)
YMS BANSHEES (PAE)
UKRAINIAN NATIONALS BLASTERS BLACK (PAE)
PENN FUSION SA '01G NPL (PAE)
SOUTH CAROLINA UNITED FC 01 GIRLS ELITE (SC)
TSF ACADEMY 01/02G (NJ)

Anonymous said...

Re: NYSC

Do you think they should have ignored their spotty league and tournament play in Fall 2015 because some players may have been playing high school?

Serious question. Only pertinent to the one age group, where a few (possibly top) players ARE missing for 2-3 months due to school commitments.

I have already posted that NYSC should not be taken lightly this spring as they come together again. Winning flight 6 - or flight 3C, whatever you want to call it - at Jefferson - would be a nice start.

Wondering where Manhattan SC is - they seem to be the up and comer in NYCSL NPL, with ISA and Massapequa - knocking at Tier 1 NYSC, Crush and STA

Anonymous said...

11:36 I agree with your post- Jeff Cup must have thought that NYSC winning state cup and doing okay a national Cup was last year and that's okay - but why is Frederick in F2 then? Why is Loudoun in F3? Why is an EDP D2 team in F3, just to name a few.

Anonymous said...

To Follow:
NEW JERSEY RUSH 01 GIRLS BLUE (NJ)
7-0-1 EDP
6-1-2 Tournaments
13-1-3

PENN FUSION SA '01G NPL (PAE)
5-3-4 NorthEast NPL
6-4-2 Tournaments
11-7-6

YMS BANSHEES (PAE)
4-2-2 PAGS
6-2-2 Tournaments
10-4-4

PWSI COURAGE 01G RED (VA)
6-2-2 VA NPL
4-0-3 Tournaments
10-2-5

SOUTH CENTRAL PREMIER SPIRIT (CT)
7-1-0 EDP D2
1-1-1 Tournaments
8-2-1

TSF ACADEMY 01/02G (NJ)
6-0-1 EDP
0-0-1 EDP NPL
2-1-4 Tournaments
8-1-6

UKRAINIAN NATIONALS BLASTERS BLACK (PAE)
2-2-4 EDP
6-1-3 Tournaments
8-3-7

SOUTH CAROLINA UNITED FC 01 GIRLS ELITE (SC)
6-1-4 Southern regional Premier League
0-0-3 Tournaments
6-1-7

Will only do others on request

Anonymous said...

Winning%

Elite F2
0.690 NJ WILDCATS GALAXY (NJ)
0.694 PDA Ajax
0.659 STA
0.583 Albertson
0.559 FC FREDERICK '01 (MD)
0.550 PA CLASSICS ACADEMY 01 (PAE)
0.500 GPS-MA NPL GIRLS 01/02
0.324 CALVERT CREW WHITE (MD)

Superior F3
0.889 FC CAROLINA ALLIANCE GREEN (NC)
0.841 LEHIGH VALLEY UNITED LVU 01 GIRLS (PAE)
0.818 SOUTH CENTRAL PREMIER SPIRIT (CT)
0.794 NEW JERSEY RUSH 01 GIRLS BLUE (NJ)
0.722 FC BOSTON BBA NORTH U14 ELITE (MA)
0.700 NJ CRUSH FC TSUNAMI 01 NPL (NJ)
0.667 YMS BANSHEES (PAE)
0.647 PWSI COURAGE 01G RED (VA)
0.625 FC STARS OF MASS WEST UNITED 01/02 (MA)
0.604 PENN FUSION SA '01G NPL (PAE)
0.567 TSF ACADEMY 01/02G (NJ)
0.528 UKRAINIAN NATIONALS BLASTERS BLACK (PAE)
0.500 CAROLINA ELITE SA 01G ECNL (SC)
0.464 SOUTH CAROLINA UNITED FC 01 GIRLS ELITE (SC)
0.324 LOUDOUN 01G RED (VA)
0.306 MCLEAN U14 GIRLS ECNL (VA)

Anonymous said...

10:29am come on please. When your NJCSA team even dreams about making the finals of Flght 1 in a major event like Bethesda as Wildcats Averbuch did recently you better wake up and apologize.
You got blown out 3-0 in the finals of flight 3 in that Bethesda event.
Please don't even mention your team in the same sentence again.

Anonymous said...

12:23

Frederick WON Regionals

I'd think that flights them pretty high for an entire year

Not a bad team at all. I dont know where you get this impression

F2 teams arent going to be absolute worldbeaters

Anonymous said...

I do not think anyone is trying to bash, it is what it is. BOCA did not play fall state cup because guest playing for the winner NJCSA. Does that really matter, I am not so sure. I again implore all of you to remember, tournaments and cup play allow this, so what is wrong with it. If it hurts your feelings that is one thing, but if it is not cheating what are you going to do. nysc is a very good team and will continue to be. njcsa moved up due to state cup win of course. But, Albertson won Newws using guests as well. Believe me the plot is thick, but you cannot fight the rules.

Anonymous said...

There are no guest players allowed in state cup games

Anonymous said...

How do you know Albertson used guest players?

Anonymous said...

Albertson has a handful of Wildcats Galaxy Team players carded to their ECNL Team. They played with them in Bethesda as well as News.

Anonymous said...

What NJCSA and Boca did was have the Boca Team not card for NJYSA and not play state cup in the fall.
That allowed their top players to card for NJYSA only to NJCSA Tea and play state cup in the fall. So technically they were combined team for State Cup as well as NPL play last year. I assume they are doing the same thing this year for NPL Team.

Anonymous said...

1;17 going back to a recent post Federick won regionals and din't score a goal at finals andis F2 this was at u13. PDA Dragons also played Nationals and made semi-Finals but yet they are F4, NYSC also played nationals same event as the Twisters from IL, FC Virginia played Nationals Why are these teams F4 and Frederick is F2?

Winning% of others teams mentioned on here
0.841 VIRGINIA RUSH ELITE 01G (VA)
0.826 ISA ATLETICO 01/02 NPL (NYE)
0.800 BEACH FC 01G RED (VA)
0.792 PENN UNITED FORCE '01 (PAE)
0.762 FC VIRGINIA UNITED 01 ELITE (VA)
0.647 PDA NORTH NPL DRAGONS (NJ)
0.636 LDC UNITED ATTACK (PAE)
0.630 MASSAPEQUA NPL LIL' ROWDIES (NYE)
0.619 EAST MEADOW NPL SMITHTOWN STARS (NYE)
0.600 FC BOSTON BBA GU14 NPL (MA)
0.588 HFC READY '01 (PAE)
0.569 RAMAPO VALLEY SC TORNADOS '02 (NYE)
0.500 PDA SHORE FUSION (NJ)
0.500 HBC SPARK (NYE)
0.500 FC STARS OF MASS NPL (MA)
0.500 JERSEY SHORE BOCA JR FC FUSION (NJ)
0.477 NEW YORK SC G01 (NYE)
0.477 HULMEVILLE SC DYNAMO (PAE)
0.475 WORLD CLASS FC '01HAMM NPL (NYE)
0.460 PIPELINE BLACK (MD)
0.450 HMMS EAGLE FC 01 SPIRIT (PAE)
0.447 HARFORD FC UNITED THUNDER (MD)
0.395 REAL NJSC SOUNDERS (NJ)
0.289 RAGE SC '01 ATHLETICA (PAE)
0.273 CONNECTICUT FC UNITED U14 NPL (CT)
0.250 CONTINENTAL FC DELCO ECNL '01 (PAE)
0.208 ALBERTSON FURY U14 NPL (NYE)
0.206 FC COPA ACADEMY G01 NPL LIMA (NJ)

Anonymous said...

2:10
Let me get this straight. Team A asks team B to not enter into a state cup so that team A can use Team B's players so that team A can do well and advance and win.
Team B in return gets nothing.

Stop posting stupid shit.

Anonymous said...

Did PDA Dragons play SoCal Blues or the team from Texas South at Nationals?

Anonymous said...

@2:42 yes, that is exactly what happened. Is that fact stupid or is the comment stupid? It makes sense to me know after explained. @1:28 that is how they did it, which I also just found it. And yes, I know all about Albertson and Galaxy, but again allowed.

Anonymous said...

12:23 As an F1 at Wags Fredrick tied BRYC, loss to PL and TFA (1-0 both games). So they are a solid F2 team that doesn't score much, but doesn't give up a whole lot either.
Seeing those tournament wins and losses makes you realize although we bitch when are teams are flighted high enough, it does suck to come away with goose eggs.

Anonymous said...

Albertson and Galaxy weren't united at NEWSS

Somebody gotta shut up

Anonymous said...

2:46 They played NEFC Elite, JFC Elite which became the ECNL team and EAGLS SC who beat current National league team FULLERTON RANGERS G01 WHITE. NEFC best team in the region and JFC in 3rd place in the ECNL Conf the tournament also had NJ Wildcats, FC Virginia and STA so from the looks of it some good quality.

Anonymous said...

3:13 You mentioned these 3
BRADDOCK ROAD YC 01 ELITE (VA) 0-0
PENN LEGACY FC 01 BLACK (PAE) 0-1
TOTAL FUTBOL ACADEMY TFA ELITE 01 (OS) 0-1

How about these 5?
PDA AJAX (NJ) 0-1
PENN FUSION SA '01G ECNL (PAE) 0-3
NJ CRUSH FC TSUNAMI 01 NPL (NJ) 1-2
MONTGOMERY BLAZE WHITE (MD) 2-3
HARFORD FC UNITED THUNDER (MD) 0-1

This is not an Elite Flight team - I'll give them Superior. Just for the record I don't think the Dragons are Elite flight Either, I think both should be superior in addition to NYSC and FC Virginia NPL.

Anonymous said...

From soccerwire

The U.S. Soccer Federation’s new girls Development Academy initiative will adopt the same policy barring players from taking part in high-school soccer as the boys version.

It seems that the boys DA model will be implemented in as many aspects as possible on the new girls venture, including the highly contentious decision to cut high-school soccer participation as part of the 10-month season schedule adopted across the DA in 2012.

Anonymous said...

Eagles White

15th ranked team in California South

FCV United Premier

88th ranked team in Virginia

EIGHTY-EIGHTH

- these are the PDA Dragons first 2 games at NPL Finals - and well done I guess to win 1-0 in each

Pretty good tie vs #3 ranked in FL

Then got HOUSED vs NEFC

Meanwhile Frederick drew the #1 team in the nation, SoCal Blues. in the USYSA Nationals - youc ant really compare the 2

Then the tough South Texas team - before tying Michigan's #1

The tournaments were night and day.

Anonymous said...

I have no idea what happened - if Frederick lost some players - if, like NYSC they had some playing school ball.....we will have to see if they fare better in spring

but that USYSA Nationals bracket was NAILS. I credit them for getting there and competing admirably.

Anonymous said...

No doubt PDA is still calling Jeff Cup, so you could see Dragons in Superior after all.

Anonymous said...

NJ Sounders probably not too happy about their draw...

Anonymous said...

PDA Club not concerned with Dragons flighting. The team is just a paycheck to them.

Anonymous said...

Can someone please tell me or point me to a rule that would allow dual carding by wildcats and albertson ecnl? US club has only two exceptions to the dual carding rule. 1. One team is an academy team(part time not DA) 2. One is a town team.

I have not seen anywhere that this would be allowed but I could be wrong.

If they skirt the rule how are they doing it?

Anonymous said...

There was a lot of chatter about this when it happened, and supposedly WC were not happy about it, but I have no idea if they disciplined the Galaxy coach. The two coaches are brothers, and they simply decided to do this on their own. If I was a parent from either team I would not be happy about it, it shows a huge lack of faith in the Albertson roster.

Anonymous said...

I dont think anyone is double carding.

Anonymous said...

3:41 FC FREDERICK '01 (MD) is 8-0-0 in a weak CCL they are a whopping
1-1-7 at Tournaments. Not F2 or Elite level team. Sorry nothing supports your argument.

4:36 I agree - they took away PDA tournament points that had this team top 30 in the country and would have increased all the point values in all the events they played in. Shows you they don't care as this team won't get top flights without GS as proven by FC Stars and Jefferson Cup - even Ajax gets nod over them.

US Youth Soccer Region I and National Events much more weight than the US CLub versions

Anonymous said...

To play well and lose is a difficult plight for anyone

Like I said, Frederick may be missing 1-2-5 key players - and losing 6 straight by one goal has to sting. (The one 3 goal loss was to a titanic Penn Fusion outfit)

The ups and downs of youth sport are a sure character builder.

Anonymous said...

I think if you are carded with a non-ECNL non-NPL Team like WC Galaxy wihich is a Wildcat Affiliate Team and not an Academy Team, then your players can also card for an NPL Team(whether ECNL or NPL). Ususally you do not see this because the 2 different clubs would not allow it but in the 2 cases mentioned above you have 2 brother coaches, 1 with Galaxy and 1 with Albertsons colluding, and in the other case you have 2 parent coaches, 1 at at NJCSA Elite and and 1 at Boca who are mainly interested in furthering the opportunitities for their own 2 children rather than the best interests of their teams clubs.

Anonymous said...

can you please just mind your own business, I hate when you come on here bad mouthing these teams because your daughter used to play on one of them. they are good coaches and do what's best for their team. all their players get plenty of playing time just worried about how much playing time your kid earns.

Anonymous said...

Good post 3:25. But having seen Fredrick play multiple times, I still believe they are right where they should be. They are very similar to 1776 and Harford in their style of play, which is basically that they refuse to open up their formation and try to stay defensively minded. It allows them to stay in games, but just enough to lose to better teams.

Anonymous said...

I think the problem is they do what best for themselves, not necessarily for their teams or thier teams players. When you do things like this it is only for wins, not for the development of your own paying players. It is disrespectful to your own dedicated, paying players and your teams home club as well.

Anonymous said...

Not so sure I rexcall Frederick lacking an attack

Anyway....

So players in a defensive minded system arent being taught the game? Are being held back in some way? Is this what you are saying? Hmmmm....

I'd bet their training sessions are quite similar to many teams whose game style you prefer (small skillwork, smallsided action, etc)

But I do see this with the club I am familiar with as well. At times I feel they could be attacking more with their outside backs to goal - and down the middle on the ground - or even to the flanked defenders/mids - starting with the center back - more often than we see.

Maybe U16 brings some more of this for all of us

All valid observations though. Keep them coming. And good luck next time out braeking down Frederick's fortress - :)

Anonymous said...

I like GS as much as the next guy and it is fun. But if you are going to use it to make claims as best team in the country - my assumption is that you have seen all the top teams play and you and I both know that isn't true.

Not saying Frederick is a bad team - Just saying you have a few teams in Superior that are having a much better U14 season (FC CAROLINA ALLIANCE GREEN (NC), LEHIGH VALLEY UNITED LVU 01 GIRLS (PAE), NEW JERSEY RUSH 01 GIRLS BLUE (NJ), FC BOSTON BBA NORTH U14 ELITE (MA), NJ CRUSH FC TSUNAMI 01 NPL (NJ) that's all. I used PDA Dragons for my compare to show that they played at a National Championship with NEFC, JFC, FC Virginia (I think you got the wrong team they were not the NPL champions - they are the team GS used when they manually entered the event, we have a VA poster that confirmedthis already) and Eagles White as you called them #11 in a strong CA but that being said GS also #9 NJCSA ELITE-MANALAPAN & #14 YMS BANSHEES - think our NJ & PA posters can validate these are not the best teams in the state let alone top 15 in the country. Tomenotmuch of a difference but one was F2 and the other F4. I said the Dragons should be Superior in place of PennFusion NPL who'sine the same league and has never beaten the Dragons. There are changes I would make in addition to dropping PDA Ajax, GPS MA, Calvert & PAC from Elite to Superior - Also dropping South Central, Loudoun, Ukranians, Mclean, PennFusion NPL & TSF out of Superior and replace themwith ISA ATLETICO 01/02 NPL (NYE), BEACH FC 01G RED (VA), FC VIRGINIA UNITED 01 ELITE (VA), PDA NORTH NPL DRAGONS (NJ), LDC UNITED ATTACK (PAE) &0 MASSAPEQUA NPL LIL' ROWDIES (NYE) all have better u14 seasons.

Anonymous said...

Massapequa, really? The team that plays 10 girls behind the ball, all the time?? Please, give me a break.

Anonymous said...

Results don't lie they are having a food season - Just to compare them to a team I like.

NYCSL NPL

2nd - Massapequa
4th - NYSC


NY CUP
3-0-0 (+6) Massapequa
3-0-0 (+10) NYSC

Massapequa beat both ISA & NYSC head to head

Tournament play W-T-L (GD)
7-3-5 (+1) Massapequa
3-0-7 (-3) NYSC

Anonymous said...

Trust me, they are not a good team. Would I lie to you??

P.S. Food season sounds yummy.

Anonymous said...

Like your post 11:43, especially the "Fredrick Fortress" comment. But in the four games I have seen them play, they were almost never in the offensive end of the field and their wings were dedicated to helping defensively. The single striker looked very lonely and when given a chance, rarely got a true offensive opportunity. I still thing they are a good team, just struggle against physical teams that have less skill than them.

Anonymous said...

What’s up with all those stupid rural speed-trap cameras in Maryland? Are you guys so desperate for money that you have to target out-of-state drivers?? Bunch of losers, the entire sloppy state!

Anonymous said...

1:37 of course not I know we are tight. Just looking at raw results. I know good teams hickup once in a while, but putting that aside. Regardless of the style of play Massapequa plays good enough to win this year @ u14.

What's the difference between FC Frederick and Beach FC @ u14? Both are 8-0-0 in CCL play FC Frederick wins 17% of their tournament games while Beach FC wins 67% of their tournament games. Doesn't look much like a fortress to me from a results point of view.

Why is FC Frederick F2 and beach F4? Some might say they are 17% becasue of the teams they play and Beach is at 67% playing weaker teams.

So has jeff Cup become the ECNL (I I know they are an ECNLclub) - a closed door event that gives favors? Beach FC plays lesser teams and they win 2/3 of the time - exactly what they are supposed to do. Fc Frederick plays harder teams and can't win. So instead of giving another team a shot what's the worst thing that can happen they drop a game 7-0 like Oakwood and GPS MA did when they played NEFC or maybe they drop a game 6-0 like LVU did when they played the NJ Wildcats still good teams even though they had a bad day - they look at u13 results but not for everyone. This is fact and I will use PDA Dragons as the compare again since they get a response on this board. not only did this team make the semi-finals at the national NPL Finals they also beat F1 NJ Wildcats, F2 STA, F3 FC Stars West, F3 PennFusion NPL multiple time and they split with F2 PDA Ajax 1-1-1 between u13/u14 but somehow none of that gets mentioned, we focus on EaglesSC and FC Virginia premier (who didn't even with their NPL - wrong team) but we don't focus on FC Frederick giving up 3 goals to the #10 MD team MONTGOMERY BLAZE WHITE and drop the game 2:3 didn't look like Blaze had a tough time with the fortress oh yeah the team was incomplete right? But PDA Storm and MF get killed for saying the same thing earlier in the year

We can go back and forth with a bunch of teams, this is why 1:37 I just look at the raw results - rolling 12 months.

Either we use results or we don't.

If you want results I'll do your compares - if you want the eye test - I can't play that game because I have not seen all the teams play and I will shut my big mouth

Anonymous said...

The comparisons are great to see 4:18, so please keep them coming. But while tournament play can often bring out the best in a team, league play can sometime allow teams to play below their abilities. Our team has been guilty of this and although its frustrating to watch, its wrong to expect 14 year old girls to play at their best every time out. Going into tournaments, the girls are fired up and all the players are pulling in the same direction. That is not always the case with league play, where common opponents can be taken for granted and a bad loss happens. I think we have all been there.
PL Parent

Anonymous said...

5:27 I agree - but the down side to tournaments and this is why i favor leagues that have a national championship is that.

1: Guest players are used - just read this board Boca and NJCSA are a team, NjW galaxy and Albertson are a team sometimes, PDA combines teams sometimes - you really don't know aht you are getting.

2. It's unrealistic to ask pros to play more than 1 game in a day but yet we ask kids and expect the world from them with downtime in the hours sometimes.

At least with a league regardless of the comp you know what you are getting and the team you are playing.

Very valid about the kids getting pumped. Can't wait for the showcase yers when all of this means nothing - the kids contact the coaches and play regardless of the flight - if the coach saw them play previously they will come watch them play with their team.

Anonymous said...

5:53 The guest player things is something I didn't really consider and you are right about it. Trouble is that even in the Champions League they allow guest players (as many as three). Also right about playing a game and then cooling down and playing again three hours later.
Going through the showcase process now with older player and playing one game a day is the good thing, while having to be there for a Friday game and Saturday and Sunday is the bad (hotels love it though). Trying to find that balance of making yourself be noticed and showing off your skillset while being a team player is also not easy. Coaches want to see what a player's best skill is, so a shooter needs to shoot and a player with great footwork needs to attack off the dribble. But it seems a great distributor is always able to look good.
PL Parent

Anonymous said...

PL parent

What is a win for you at Jeff Cup?

Anonymous said...

Of course I would like to see us go 2-1 and advance on goal differential. But it really depends on the girls limiting goals against. All these teams are so good at taking advantage of a mistake, that as parents you are on the edge of your seat the whole game. We were four minutes from advancing at Wags when TFA tied it up, those types of things in tournament play are the heart breakers. Personally, I was hoping we were in PDA's bracket. No slight against any FCV, Wildcats or E. Meadow (they are all excellent), but you always want to play against the team that you lost to last(BRYC), and would like to see PDA's style of play. I don't think many of us use the term "victory" when you go 0-3 or 0-1-2, so I think 1-1-1 in an F1 bracket is never a bad thing. Am I wrong in thinking that way?

Anonymous said...

I posted last night my thoughts on what I would consider a victory at Jeff Cup. But upon further review and according to Jeff Cup standards, I was totally wrong. Last year PL came away with one loss and two ties, yet still came away with the title of "semifinalist" and 1600 GS points. Is there another sport where you don't win a game and get something for it? So I must now retract my previous post and simply say I hope the girls play well and are competitive in all their games.

Anonymous said...

I am so tired of those 1-1-1 records at tournaments, it does nothing for our confidence, or our future rankings. We are going to Jeff cup to win our flight, and anything else will be a profound disappointment.
The only silver-lining I can find in our lousy fall season, is that my daughter is in great form, but this isn’t tennis, so others must step-up, or sit more. Sorry, I know that sounds harsh, but the truth hurts.

Anonymous said...

If your team is 1-1-1 you are in the right flight

If your team is 3-0-0 you are in wrong flight

If your team is 0-0-3 you are in wrong flight

Anonymous said...

8:47 & 12:04 I don't mind the results that much - I know it has an impact on the teams your kids play. For me it's simple I want my kid to have a great time with quality minutes - would love for the team to compete but more importantly switch on their own from being direct 3 passes if needed to score and punish teams playing a high line and or 25 passes to break down a team that sits behind the fall without the coach telling them - if this happens I could careless if they drop all 3 because that would show me they have become soccer players and can play this game with anyone they know exactly how to read a game and the position they play wouldn't matter. That's the parent in me - but as a team fan i want 4-0 from a results point aview

Anonymous said...

Well, 10:32 our team only plays possession, and we have suffered in the results category, but as I said my kid is playing great, so much so that she occasionally gets a compliment from the other coach, so for me, that is ultimate in praise. Her coach doesn’t need to do that, he compliments her by minutes given.

10:26 I agree, you are what you record says you are, but I am proud that the girls continue to play the club style, and do not resort to long-ball madness.

Anonymous said...

Lets not get into that possession versus over top is bad soccer conversation. You play the style the best suits what the other teams formation is giving you. Everyone on here wants to say they play a possession game, sometimes it simply means they can't get the ball out of their own end. FCV, SS and BB have excellent possession skills as a team, but over pressure them with extra players in their own end and they will dump over top also. Coaches just don't teach possession skills and to make sure they make nice little passes, they teach the nuances of the game. The comment about getting more minutes from your coach is all the compliments you daughter needs is not something I totally agree with either, especially when it comes to girls. But you know your daughter better than anyone else, so maybe it is.

Anonymous said...

Question for parents of GK. How many teams have 2? Do the keepers share equally? If your child gets less then half what would you do? Is it better to be on a weaker team and be playing then sitting half a game on a stronger team but never touching the ball because the team is very good. With age change and teams changing we now have to consider this situation.

Anonymous said...

That is such a tough call to make. Its great to be part of a winning team, but a keeper that is rarely used is just a third post. I guess having a goal keeper coach that works her out would help, but it still doesn't equal game time play. So glad my daughter is not a keeper and have to decide on that issue. Good luck.

Anonymous said...

National Cup XV Finals
1. NEFC Elite
2. MATCH FIT ACADEMY FC NPL
3. MINNESOTA THUNDER ACADEMY 02 Pre ECNL
4. SACRAMENTO UNITED SOCCER CLUB Extreme Red
5. NEW YORK SOCCER CLUB G01
6. NSA PREMIER Twisters
7. FC FLORIDA 01/02 Elite Blue - NPL
8. TUALATIN HILLS UNITED SOCCER CLUB Element

Mid-Atlantic Regional
1. PDA Storm
2. ATLETICO FC Girls '01
3. STA Morris United NPL 01
4. JERSEY SHORE BOCA JR FC Fusion
5. GPS-MA NPL
6. PDA Shore Fusion
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2015 National Championships
1. So Cal Blues Baker
2. PSG MI Gators 02 Orange
3. Albion Hurricanes 02
4. FC Frederick 01

2015 Region I Championships
1. FC Frederick 01
2. Empire United Soccer Academy - Rochester
3. South Shore Select U13 Elite
4. Victory Express Platinum
5. Capital United Blue - Force
6. NJ Wildcats Averbuch
7. Century V 0102 Girls Elite
8. South Central Premier Spirit
9. Greater Binghamton United FC
10. Penn Legacy '01 Black
11. Loudoun 01G Red
12. DE RUSH 01 Girls
13. Nordic Premier
14. DE Union Orange '01
15 .FC Wheeling United '01 Girls
16. FSC Riptide
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2015 NPL Finals
1. NEFC Girls Elite
2. JFC Storm 01/02
3. FC Portland Academy 01 PreECNL
4. PDA North 01 NPL
5. NJ Wildcats Averbuch
6. EGA Maroon 01 02
7. STA NPL 01G
8. Eagles White
9. Oklahoma Football Club 02
10. FC Alliance 02GNPL
11. FC Virginia U13G
12. BRSC 02 Girls Black

Anonymous said...

US Youth Soccer Southern Regional Premier League
Girls U14 RPL East
1: TENNESSEE SC 20 (TN)
2: FLORIDA ELITE 01/02 ELITE (FL)
3: UNITED FA UFA 02 PREMIER (GA)
4: SOUTH CAROLINA UNITED FC 01 GIRLS ELITE (SC)
5: FC ALLIANCE 02G NPL (TN)
6: TRIANGLE FUTBOL ALLIANCE 01 G (NC)
7: ATLANTA FIRE UNITED G02 ELITE BLACK (GA)
8. CHARLOTTE SA 01 PREDATOR (NC)
9. CAPITAL AREA SOCCER 01 LADIES RED (NC)
10: ORLANDO CITY YS 01/02G PURPLE (FL)
11: TOPHAT 20 GOLD (GA)
12: JFC STORM ELITE 01/02 (FL)

US Youth Soccer Southern Regional Premier League
Girls U14 1st Division East North
1: FC CAROLINA ALLIANCE GIRLS U14 GREEN (NC)
2: KNOXVILLE FC CRUSH '02 CELTIC (TN)
3: WILMINGTON HAMMERHEADS FC LADIES WHITE (NC)
4: STORM SSA 01 GIRLS BLACK (SC)
5: UNITED MOUNT PLEASANT 20 PREMIER (SC)
6: DISCOVERIES SC 01 LADY GOLD PREMIER (SC)
7. CHARLOTTE SA 02 LADY LOBOS RUSH PREMIER (TN)
8: UNITED MOUNT PLEASANT 20 PREMIER II (SC)
9: MURFREESBORO LADY STRIKERS 02 PREMIER (TN)
10: CHARLOTTE UNITED FUTBOL 01 GOLD (NC)

US Youth Soccer Southern Regional Premier League
Girls U14 1st Division East South
1: FC FLORIDA 01/02 ELITE BLUE-NPL (FL)
1: NORTH ATLANTA SA NASA G20 - ELITE (GA)
3: CONCORDE FIRE CENTRAL ELITE (GA)
4: VHSC ATTACK 02 BLACK (AL)
5: SOUTHERN SSA CHELSEA 02G ELITE (GA)
6: FKK 01/02 FLORIDA KRUSH BLACK (FL)
7: B1FLR FLORIDA RUSH 01 RUSH GIRLS (FL)
8: DSC REVOLUTION 02G PREMIER (GA)

Anonymous said...

Did you hear? NYSC never tries to score a goal.

Ha - too funny.

Anonymous said...

"We play too much possession and thus dont score enough goals"

No

If you played BETTER possession game more goals would be the result.

Focus on bettering,not denying the process.

Anonymous said...

2015 Region I Champions League

Girls U13 Division 1 Red
1: SOUTH SHORE SELECT U13 ELITE (MA)
2: GREATER BINGHAMTON UNITED FC 01 SELECT (NYW)
3: PENN LEGACY FC 01 BLACK (PAE)
4: UKRAINIAN NATIONALS BLASTERS BLACK (PAE)
5: NJ WILDCATS AVERBUCH-NPL (NJ)
6: DELAWARE RUSH DE RUSH '01 GIRLS (DE)

Girls U13 Division 1 Blue
1: CENTURY V 0102 ELITE (PAW)
2: 1776 UNITED FC XTREMES (PAE)
3: BRADDOCK ROAD YC 01 ELITE (VA)
4: PWSI COURAGE 01G RED (VA)
5: LOUDOUN SOCCER 01 G RED (VA)
6: VICTORY EXPRESS SC PLATINUM (PAW)
-------------------------------------------
Girls U13 Division 2 Red
1: SACHEM YSL SPEED (NYE)
2: PA CREW ACADEMY BLUE (PAW)
3: BEADLING SC WHITE (PAW)
4: WNY FLASH ACADEMY GIRLS 02/03 (NYW)
5: CAPITAL UNITED SC BLUE FORCE (NYE)
6: DMS SOCCER GU13 ACADEMY (NYW)

Girls U13 Division 2 Blue
1: EMPIRE REVOLUTION ROCHESTER 01/02 (NYW)
2: YARDLEY MAKEFIELD SOCCER BANSHEES (PAE)
3: HMMS EAGLE FC 01 SPIRIT (PAE)
4: RHINOS ELITE SC 01/02 (NYW)
5: PENNS FOREST FC UNITED 01/02 (PAW)
6: EMPIRE UNITED BUFFALO (NYW)
7: HOTSPURS ELITE 0102 (PAW)
8: VSA HEAT BLUE (VA)

Anonymous said...

Can someone please get the National Team on the phone and tell them to stop trying to hit Alex Morgan over the top. Don't they know that's not how soccer is played. Just because they have a couple really fast girls doesn't mean they should take advantage of it. Some teams just don't know the right way to play.

Anonymous said...

Why is YMS in Division 2?

Anonymous said...

U14 ECNL
Mid-Atlantic Conference
Northeast Conference
Southeast Conference

2.78 FC Virginia ECNL U14
2.55 Ohio Premier ECNL U14
2.23 Concorde Fire ECNL U14
2.20 East Meadow Soccer Club ECNL U14
2.18 Match Fit Academy ECNL U14
2.11 CASL ECNL U14
2.09 Tophat Soccer Club Tophat SC ECNL U14
2.00 Jacksonville FC ECNL U14
2.00 Bethesda SC ECNL U14
1.82 FC Boston Scorpions ECNL U14
1.82 PDA ECNL U14
1.73 Maryland United FC ECNL U14
1.67 Orlando City ECNL U14
1.64 FC Stars of Massachusetts ECNL U14
1.64 Albertson Fury ECNL U14
1.64 Penn Fusion SA ECNL U14
1.45 Internationals SC ECNL U14
1.42 GSA ECNL U14
1.42 Carolina Elite Soccer Academy ECNL U14
1.40 FSA FC ECNL U14
1.33 Charlotte Soccer Academy ECNL U14
1.33 Atlanta Fire ECNL U14
1.13 Connecticut FC ECNL U14
1.00 Indiana Fire Juniors ECNL U14
1.00 Boca United FC ECNL U14
0.83 Birmingham United ECNL U14
0.80 Richmond United ECNL U14
0.73 Ohio Elite Soccer Academy ECNL U14
0.73 World Class FC ECNL U14
0.30 FC Bucks ECNL U14
0.25 West Florida Flames ECNL U14
0.22 McLean Youth Soccer ECNL U14
0.11 NC Fusion ECNL U14
0.00 Continental FC Delco ECNL U14

Anonymous said...

That's where they were plus a great PAGS fall season 4th I believe and they get atop flight. I posted all these league standings to show you all how crappy a job Jefferson Cup did with their flights. Great job - I truly hope my kid's team never comes to this event again.

Some questions other big marks

World Class 0.73 points average is F2
Richmond United 0.80 points average is F2
Connecticut FC 1.13 points average is F2

Anonymous said...

YMS is currently the number one ranked team in PA and won their bracket at Bethesda. Since October they have wins against PAC, Real NJSC, NYSC, Penn Fusion NPL. When you have that ranking and beat superior clubs like those listed, you get the higher flights. Stop acting like its your decision to go to Jeff, if the club says your teams is going, your going. If you want to see your daughter in a higher flight, join YMS.

Anonymous said...

I dont find those 4 wins to be of the elite variety

But I do think they should be DIV 1

Anonymous said...

YMS is not a top bracket team. At least not in a top tournament. Keep dreaming.

Anonymous said...

Region 1 Champions League - Spring 2015
Girls U13 Division 2 Blue
1: EMPIRE REVOLUTION ROCHESTER 01/02 (#16)
2: YARDLEY MAKEFIELD SOCCER BANSHEES (#14)
3: HMMS EAGLE FC 01 SPIRIT (PAE)
4: RHINOS ELITE SC 01/02 (NYW)
5: PENNS FOREST FC UNITED 01/02 (PAW)
6: EMPIRE UNITED BUFFALO (NYW)
7: HOTSPURS ELITE 0102 (PAW)
8: VSA HEAT BLUE (VA)

Philadelphia Area Girls Soccer - Fall Fall 2015
1. LDC UNITED Attack
2. PENN UTD FORCE FC '01
3. PA CLASSICS Academy 01
4. YMS Banshees
5. HMMS Eagle FC Spirit
6. FC REVOLUTION Force
7. WARRINGTON FC Bombers
8. HULMEVILLE Dynamo
9. SCPASA Lady Lions '01
10. PA RUSH '01

So a team in D2 of a regional league and in 4th place in their local league should be F3? So you really believe this team is #14 in the nation? Come on man stop it, tell the complete story already -stop spinning.

Bethesda F2 - Champion
WAGS F2 - Did Not Place
Spirit Kickoff Classic F2 - Did Not place

If you didn'thave quality teamsF3would e the rightplace for this team but you do and that's what sad jefferson Cup rewards a team that places in 33% of their events at the F2 level.

Of course i don't make the decisions,that's why I said "I HOPE" they don't play this event again and of course I travel where the team plays. Love talking the game but the results don't back the decision. If this team was number 1 in the state and #15 in the nation LDC & Penn United bottom jeff Cup flight teams should not have finished higher but they did so either they are to low or YMS is to high.

PS. 4:36 they are D1 this year

Anonymous said...

Virginia NPL Sends 12 Teams To NPL Finals in Colorado

Congrats U14 Girls: FC VIRGINIA, nice present Jeff Cup gave you guys for qualifying and defending your title a nice F4 spot while PWSI COURAGE who finished below you guys two years in a row gets the nod at F3.

Anonymous said...

2016 NPL Finals
July 14-18, 2016
Aurora, CO

Qualified:
1. Omaha Elite Girls Academy Maroon 01/02 (NE)
2. De Anza Force 01G Blue (CA-N)
3. FC Virginia United Elite 01 (VA)

TBD
4. Eastern Development Program - NPL Division
5. Florida Premier League
6. Gulf States Premier League
7. Mountain Developmental League
8. New England Premier League
9. New York Club Soccer League - NPL Division
10. Northeast Girls NPL
11. Northwest Champions League
12. South Atlantic Premier League
13. South Central Premier League
14. Southern California NPL
15. United Soccer Clubs

Anonymous said...

2:59, really, is that what you thought I meant?? I will give you a pass, since you are probably from NJ.

3:02, I agree, and I did not complain about our style, just our results. It really difficult to find 10 girls who are all equally talented, and not only talented but extremely talented, there can be NO weak links in the passing-chain, and what team doesn’t have a weak link. I am proud of all of them for at least trying to play a sophisticated style of soccer, but I am most proud of my little beastie, who plays with pride, win, lose or draw, she always be in our vanguard.

Anonymous said...

hey idiot 6:38

With YMS we were talking about D1 or D2 for Champions League

Never mentioned other events

Anonymous said...

This blog got boring fast. YMS talk, really?

Anonymous said...

You could always go back on the "women's sewing circle chat room". Their probably missing your stunning conversation and cutting edge whit. Number one ranked team in PA and they can't be mentioned, and where is your team? Most likely in some lower flight than YMS.

Anonymous said...

1:02 with respect to GK, great question, we are in a similar situation. My daughter has been the only regular GK on her team, but with BYC, she is looking at a situation where there will be two regular GKs regardless of whether she plays age appropriate or moves up a year group. This assumes the club keeps two GKs per team, which it traditionally has not done until this past year when a few teams carried two and split time between them. We've received advice that to maximize learning opportunities, a GK should have a primary team to learn the game, and a lower level secondary team where shots are more likely. Taking shots is important, but also being part of the game with the more advanced players is just as important. Clubs such as PF do carry two GKs per team.

Anonymous said...

Our team is carrying 2 GK's, but I don't agree with their decision to split game time. When a GK comes into a game at halftime it's unfair to that keeper, since she has been sitting for the entire half. I would prefer that they just alternate games, and not come out at all. I am also a firm believer in a 1st keeper and back-up, it makes the girls compete harder in practice. As far as what to do, you have to follow the training, and going to another club doesn't always workout, do your homework, go to games, and find the best fit.

Good luck!

Anonymous said...

11:06 and 6:10 Those are two great post regarding handling of keepers. I like the keepers alternating games idea, although there would be a issue if the keeper went down during a game. But it would save both sets a parents a lot of time and travel.

Anonymous said...

UNC has been playing 2 Gks for years. Anson Dorrance actually thinks it promotes competition in practice, but what does he know.

What club would allow their GK to play secondary team just to get touches? That sounds stupid. When would the player have time to practice or play with the secondary team? What if the player cant show for a game with the secondary team, that team is left without a GK?

If the team is going to carry 2 GKs then they each should get equal time. There are a lot of other things a GK can work on if they never touch the ball. Communication with the team is a huge thing. Get out of the box and become more of a sweeper Keeper so you can save your defense some running.

If your daughter is not playing at least half the game, then I would say you should leave the club.

Anonymous said...

If my club had 2 teams I would want 3 GKs - First Team Keeper plays every game. Second team keepers alternate games - the ideal situation would be two play two games every weekend for this.

For example each games the split is like this:
GK plays 80 minutes
3 field players play 60 minutes - impact players
6 field players play 50 minutes - core players
5 filed players play 40 minutes - roster depth
3 field players play 20 minutes - roster depth

I know not a popular split but this allows for competition - impact players always play but the core players are pushed and sometimes replaced by roster depth players that develop quicker.

Additionally, the second team would have 15 players not 18. This would allow players to develop and as they work their way back to the first team. I would never take players from outside the club on 1st team - that spot needs to be earned. New players fight for a spot on the second team and in year 2 they can push for a spot on the first team.



Anonymous said...

Here is a question about only playing 1 GK. Would you want a back up keeper on the bench even if the top GK plays the whole game in case of an injury? If so, I know a lot of team travel some distance for games or even overnights. Would the parents of a girl that wouldn't see the field be willing to travel and spend that money? I know if I was in the situation I wouldn't want to.

Another thing, once you get to tourneys/showcases do you want your daughter to at least play half the game or sit on the bench? Every team should be playing each player almost equal time at showcases.

Anonymous said...

I would think at Showcase events all keepers play equally since those are not about the team and the result -they are about the players.

As far as the first part,since the kids are not pros - if the keeper isn't going to be used there is no need to make her parents travel/spend money to watch other kids play - that's inhuman regardless of injury!! If they plan on playing her then she should go, but I am nothing but a poor slug who pays the tuition for my kid.

That's my 2 cents

Anonymous said...

IN NJ even if you are not chosen to dress for a tournament you are still expected to travel and pay.

Anonymous said...

11:14 that's sad - I get the be with the team thing - but money doesn't grow on trees and to make a player travel and stay overnight when they are not playing so the team can cya themselves from an injury is stupid and wrong.
I hope the player is told we want you there but if you want to stay home we understand. If that happens then I'm okay because the choice is the players.

Anonymous said...

The Coach has two players that play the same position (none of which are your kid) both are competitive.

Player 1 - Athletic, fast will run through a wall and is very physical with 50/50 balls but doesn't use proper weight when passing the ball. Will capitalize on mistakes but doesn't always make the right decision and tends to give the ball away as much as she wins it on 50/50 balls.

Player 2 - Athletic, fast very technical but more of a finesse player plays position well always in the right place see the play before it happens which hurts her as sometimes she looks to play combinations when the other player doesn't see the same thing.

Which do you play in a must win situation?

Sorry in advance for any spelling mistakes

Anonymous said...

Good morning NYSC guy

Anonymous said...

I'd probably play both players

Anonymous said...

I understand it would suck to be the parent of the girl who doesn't play much, whether goal keeper or other. Beware those of you who wish your daughter to be on the forthcoming DA team or going D1 in college...be realistic of what happens there...talk to a boy on existing DA team, you may travel to see the game and not see your kid play that day...

Anonymous said...

12:16 one major difference - it's free

Anonymous said...

I dont think they pay the family's travel

Anonymous said...

12:01 who do you think is NYSC because you might be talking about my post and NYSC would be a new team to add to my list of teams I'm with.

Anonymous said...

Player is free...that's it. Take it from experience, still a big decision to make, financially and emotionally as a spectator. Once player is substituted in DA, all done...if player even rosters that day

Anonymous said...

@11:54 Player 2 - the smart finesse player. her teammates may not foresee the plays like she does all the time but when they do it's magic.


Wouldn't a smart coach pair the smart finesse player with a teammate with similar vision.

Sounds like player 1 needs to do some extra home training to improve her passes. Friends don't pass friends 50/50 balls! ; )

Anonymous said...

12:37 i wouldn't expect them to pay for travel - but the annual tuition cost is free that's 2k in your pocket to pay for travel.

12:41 That's how ECNL and NPL is played once substituted no re-entry in the half are you saying boys DA has a the "big boy" rule no-rentry in game after substituted?

12:49 if they have them - what if the coach likes high pressure to force as many 50/50 balls as they can so they can take advantage of mistakes? Wouldn't that cost player 1's parents more? What if they don't care and think their kid is the best on the team because she scores or is a lock down defender? I agree about that with friends, but what if a player is friends with a player that isn't starting, would they pass 50/50 balls then to make starter look bad :)

just throwning stuff out since we beat jeff Cup up to a pulp and there is nothing to talk about until DA decision is made.

Anonymous said...

So maybe if money is no object you can skip the boys DA. But for most, free must make the decision a lot easier!

Anonymous said...

RCL Elite starts thiw weekend with games that count

2/6/2016
CENTURY V 0102 GOLD
HMMS EAGLE FC 01 SPIRIT

BEADLING SC BEADLING ELITE
UKRAINIAN NATIONALS BLASTERS BLACK

GREATER BINGHAMTON UNITED FC 01 SELECT
YARDLEY MAKEFIELD SOCCER YMS BANSHEES


2/7/2016
BRADDOCK ROAD YC 01 ELITE
1776 UNITED FC XTREME

Anonymous said...

1:04
It's the big boy rule :)

Anonymous said...

My daughter is dedicated goal keeper, no one else wants this job and very few can even do it. Just like a great striker who scores all the time and can assist. Hard to find. Keepers are just a little harder to find that actually communicate with team and have no fear, hence why many high level teams are in need of keepers. Using a field player is a killer, especially if good field player. The training and years of experience cannot be exchanged for a field player. Carry two keepers if you really want to win, God forbid the one keeper gets injured, now what, you are stuck with that field player who probably does not want to even play. It would hurt the main keeper for playing time, but honestly it is the best thing for the good of the team, just like carrying two great pitchers or catchers or whatever. Especially a keeper who gets beat up if slide tackling, diving and playing properly. Carry two keepers...........

Anonymous said...

Soon we will have Manhattan, 1:04

Anonymous said...

12:01, sorry but that was not my post, but its an interesting situation, no? If I had to choose, I guess I would select player (A), we have too many of the other kind around here : )

#NYSC

Anonymous said...

@1154 Why is it a 'must-win' situation? Need more details. If this were a tournament final, then wouldn't you choose based on the sytle of the other team?

Player 1 might have the higher ceiling and be a better fit for a dump and chase team. What kind of team are we up against and do we expect to control the ball much? If we can't connect passes, then how will we get it over the top if we don't have possession?

Player 2 would do well on a possession based team. Grind out possession and look for opportunities when the other team tires after chasing.

The problem is, a decent coach would not have these two players at the same position. Player 1 has no place in the midfield, which is exactly where Player 2 should be.

Anonymous said...

12:41 Not sure if were talking about the same academy ball. My kid played on boys DA Academy and subs usually come in at the 25 minute mark. Ref hands players coming out their cards back and those starters do come back in with about 25 to go in the second half (returning the card to the ref). Not sure if it changed in the last year or maybe I just misunderstood your post. Bench guys get about 30 minutes total and that's a long way to drive for 30 minutes, so parent and player better be really dedicated.

Anonymous said...

DA Player Development Advantages

Four (4) mandatory training sessions per week
More Meaningful Games (league games to advance to National)
Fewer Total Games Approximate 30-game season
No outside participation for full-time Academy players
25 percent minimum start requirement

The funny thing is jefferson punishes teams for doing this

Anonymous said...

I know many of the Boys who tried DA and did not stick to it and voluntarily went back to playing club and high school soccer. Whether it is the right fit for the player and family is about much more than just if the player is good enough to make the DA Team.
It becomes very much like the young tennis and gymnastics prodigies who give up a normal life for a chance at the Pros or Olympic Team.

Anonymous said...

Does anyone know if all DA teams on the boy side are free? I know MLS teams are even travel expenses and uniform.

Anonymous said...

NYCFC is totally free, including all travel, hotel and food.

Anonymous said...

@3:02 I agree. I was think the same thing.

Hypothetically, let's say there is 5 minutes left in the game, score tied. What specific position are you looking to change? Has one already been playing and the coach wants to sub them for the other?

Anonymous said...

PA Classics is not free. Also have to pay coaches travel expenses and ref fees for every event. So if the tournament is a two night stay, team parents split coaches room and travel. With 18 families chipping in, its not that bad, but it does add up after awhile. Rarely did we ever have more than 14 for long distance away games, some parents didn't find it worth the travel. But it is absolutely worth it if your kid has a great coach that is dedicated to turning out great players. Also totally sucks if you have a coach that is half assing his way through. Had one of each and the second one caused many players to go back to regular club ball. To PA Classics credit, they did correct the situation after the season.

Anonymous said...

3:02 Must win = State/Regional/National events or all league games that advance a team to nationals without a playoff system all other games are just developmental. I disagree the coach can only coach what he has so for this team - those are the options.

3;12 so the subs that come in for only 25 minutes are also subed out after 25 mins in games they start? So an impact player plays 50 minutes and a sub plays 30 why is that along way to drive for 30?

3:27 i agree that's why the entire HS argument means nothing to me - if you want to play pro you play DA if not play ECNL/NPL or on any other premier level league club and HS. Not sure what the big deal is here - train 4 days a week 10 months a year for club or play HS not even a choice.

3:41 there is no sub-re-entry - and regardless of the position same applies

3:55 I thought that was the mandate "play for free" at 15/16 and 17/18

Anonymous said...


Driving to Conn, Boston, Syracuse and similar distances for one game for 30 minute gigs might be tougher on the parent.
Its been a two years since my kid graduated, so maybe they changed it at Classics. But at the time, it was still pay to play and coaches always sent out reminders of what was owed.
Will say that Classics club director truly gives a shit about the kids. Always willing to assist any family in financial trouble in order to keep players playing soccer, and the level of play did not matter.
My son's head coach at the time was Bob Lilly, now the head coach of the USL Rochester Rhino's. Check out his bio and that's the kind of coach you will get for the DA teams. It is money well spent.

Anonymous said...

I agree - but that's the trade off generally speaking - we are talking about playing with the best that want to be the best and not everyone is going to be an impact player and guess what being roster depth on a really solid team is not a bad thing is it those are all roles that need to be filled. The really great teams have roster depth players that can be impact players on most other teams but they choose to challenge themselves and to push themselves even if it's only for 30 minutes. That's a good thing.

So your kid is a star now - you telling me you wouldn't be super happy for her if she was WNT and never got into a game - you telling me you wouldn't fly to Brazil just to see her in the stadium even though she doesn't get on the field?

Anonymous said...

30, 50, 65, 80 minutes....please

If a son/daughter is playing on a quality team in big events, no matter the minutes, you get invested in the entire team

You dont feel differently, such as that it is a waste - based on how many minutes the son/daughter gets

You'd like it to be as high a number as possible but dont base the evaluation of the experience on that number.

Anonymous said...

10:08 Whatever criteria you use for validation of your daughter's limited minutes is fine for you. But save it for those parents that are just happy their kid is a part of something. There is nothing wrong with that train of thought, as long as your kid is willing to accept it too. Mine would not. If your kid is not playing more than half the game for over a six month period, she needs another team where she is. Kids need to be playing IN THE GAME. If the player is fine with limited minutes and the parents are fine with it, why should the coach change anything?

Anonymous said...

This topic has been discussed here numerous times, but my opinion has shifted, which I am a little surprised about, guess my daughter helped with that, lol. So, it is more important to play 40-50 minutes on a very good team, or 70 mintues on a decent, but lesser team?

Guess we are now with the latter, and who can blame her?

Anonymous said...

I don't anything changed or shifted - the only difference is we are talking about a GK now. I am still reading the same things in regards to field players

Anonymous said...

6:36 That's a tough thing to accept, congrats on caring more about your kid's emotional needs and not yours. Some parents would rather see their daughter not play at all rather than move down.

Anonymous said...

10:08 PM is from a parent's point of view. And not for a goalkeeper - just to clarify.

Just siding with the parent that has no problem buying into a team mentality on the (somewhat) bigger stage (lets say ECNL vs NPL).

Of course if the player voices any concern at all about wishing to be elsewhere the parent should factor this in.

Anonymous said...

5:46 - Maybe I am a terrible parent but if my daughter was on the WNT but never say the field, basically a practice player, I wouldn't fly to brazil to watch her sit the bench.

If your daughter is only playing 30 min a game on a big name club or 80 min on a local club, the same colleges will want her. Just because your daughter is on a big name club doesnt guarantee her a spot on a top 100 college team. There are a lot of colleges out there. 328 D1 colleges. Colleges of all different levels just like Club soccer.

Anonymous said...

7:54 I agree. If my daughter was very skilled, but only playing half the game at a top club, I would probably be happy about the training she was receiving. But, you have to play the game to figure out where you fit in. If there were another team within close proximity that was admittedly not as good as the top club, but had a skilled coach that was very interested in my daughter and would help her at x position, then I think that needs to be strongly considered.

If you think about it, they generally play about 40 games per year? Is that being too generous? At half the game, that's 20 full games per year. At 3/4, that's 30 games.

Among the factors that needed to be looked at is transitioning to a new club, as there may be cliques there and it can be difficult to meet expectations right away.

I've often wondered if kids should be able to get 'loaner' approval and try to pick up extra games at other clubs to offset the lack of playing time.

Anonymous said...

@2/1 3:55pm
Please clarify "PAC DA is not free"
Are you talking about coaches travel expenses only or are you saying you pay yearly dues? By definition, DA is not pay to play

Anonymous said...

let me understand something - if your kid was playing only 30 minutes because another player was ahead of her you would want her to give up and acknowledge she wasn't good enough to win that spot instead of winning her the spot? If it's a high level team it's all about the results from what I read, so there would be no issue for the team making a change that produces more, no?

PS. 7:54 That doesn't make you a bad parent, that's just how you see things nothing wrong with that there is no wrong way. I would be there just in case she gets 1 minute on the WNT at the Olympics I would want to be there for her,but that's just me.

Anonymous said...

I agree, is your kid is on the National team you got to go....

Anonymous said...

sorry about the grammar, its a little early for me....

Anonymous said...

Spell Check Nazi where are you?

Anonymous said...

If you guys/girls think that I care that much about spelling, you're nuts.

I just comment on spelling/grammar when it refers to calling out someone's intelligence.

Good luck to all with the upcoming birth year chaos.

Anonymous said...

8:30 - also comes down to what you can and cant afford. I know for a fact that going to Brazil is way out of my budget.

Anonymous said...

@830 depends on the age

If you're competing for spots under U15, I don't think that's healthy. Should still be about development and not winning, so players need to play as much as possible.

After U15, you're putting that development to the test. This is where burn out occurs, when a player realizes they may not be as good as somebody else.

If burn out is occurring earlier, that's a huge problem.

Anonymous said...

Talking about going to Brazil is a little bit silly. Out of a 16U first year DA team, one third of those will be gone by U18. Now consider how many DA teams there will be total. For every Carly Lloyd, there are 500 who though they were better.
Will my daughter try out for DA? Absolutely.
The only goal will be to be better than those she will be up against and get noticed.
I have seen parents of academy players standing on top of picnic tables video taping practices, just so they can go over them with their kids after practice. Not just games, but a practice. Don't be that parent.

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