What is the closest DA to State College?
I believe the perfect soccer world exists up to college for girls, Now hear me out. There are more then enough players to fill college rosters. The path to D1 - ECNLD2 - NPL/EDP/USYSD3 - Those players who want to play and have shown succeess at the PAGs/NPL/EDP levelTHe Girls DA will be a conduit for existing clubs players with some outside girls getting an opportunity. What may happen is current ECNL/Pre ECNL teams will most likely promote their players to DA, new girls showing up at tryouts will be aligned with ECNL/NPL with younger ones being told "Now that you are in our program you will have the chance to move to DA". It will be similar to the shopping around parents did with the age change and another reset, Then knowing US soccer as more of creating a revenue stream then a competitive soccer program will reset with something else in 4 years.
A State College player could be a discovery player at an GDA (PA Classics) or ECNL discovery player for PF or CFC.They are allowed to play in maybe 6-events.
Go back to sleep, 8:22Check in with us later.
8:25Why should I go back to sleep. I think there are paths for current girls to play college if they want to. I also think the system is rigged and based on a fiscal proposal rather then a develoopment one. Clubs that are both DA and ECNL will continue to sell their product to families promising D1 scholarships and NT stardom. In this area you may see 3-5 player ever make it as far as possible u17, u20 International games. Look at the rosters of current NT teams, look at the coaches and look at the connections. Some of it is also based on areas where outdoor soccer can be played year round. Most new name call-ups are also direct calls from coaches to Ellis or her assistants from regional coaches with clout. That network is strong and unless you are on the inside taking your daughter blind to a tryout at a new GDA may get her local and some college exposure but is a long way from ever seing regional or national camp experience.
Have you ever been PROMISED D1 and/or NT?
9:35 AMMaybe PROMISED is a strong word, Are you an ECNL coach/DOC/Marketing Rep???I like how people try to defend their decision when they are most likely questioning it themselves. Numbers are numbers and facts are facts. If your daughter is still on and ECNL team in her senior year of high school and does not have a verbal commitment with her selected college you really need to start thinking about the "promises" you were made by your club/coach/DOC. Doesn't have to be D1 but your daughter should know what her options are by January 1 2017 if she is graduating this spring. 1 East Coast ECNL Player on the U20 Roster as of 12/3/161 East Coast ECNL Player on the U18 Roster as of 12/17/16 (Both PDA)Interesting.........
Does anyone have any feedback from the ID camp at Penn State this past weekend?
1:10 PMWas your daughter an invite or unsolicited walk on? What grad year. My understanding is they are looking at the 2017s and will communicate directly with those that they have an interest in. I don't think evals were promised across the board. Underclass may recieve follow-up if they have been on the radar (2018s) and younger may just receive the email blast for camps.
We rocked that camp and are considering committingDaughter is a 2022. May choose Duke or Idaho State or Stony Brook instead but commit will be early, surely. That is what looks best.
HaHa 1:27 Penn State is not looking at 2017's anymore unless that player is above and beyond the 6-7 players already ready to sign their NLI. They may also be done 2018 as well and as 2019. 10-12 verbally committed already for 2018/2019. They are looking at 2020's now have one of the top players in the country verbally committed graduating 2020. So please refrain to comment if you did not do the research and observed and saw the camp yourself.
Jefferson Cup acceptances are out.
That can't be, my daughter is a top 2020 and she has not committed to PSU, she is having trouble with Algebra right now.
Woohoo, we got into Jeff Cup, Waffle House here we come!!
12:10 am - closest GDA's from State College, PA, area are PA Classics and PF. PF has some kids that travel to it from State College already that play ECNL.
Also, don't feed the troll. He/she will move on.
4:42 - they may be looking if someone decommitted or isn't going to play freshman year. I heard that is happening for some 2017 spots on a few squads.
Keep trolling people....no way PSU is looking at anything but 2020 and younger, maybe 2019Sorry your little Mia who "rocked the camp" won't make it
2h,15m one way State College to PAC; 3h one way State College to PF; pretty taxing on both parent and student-athlete to do four days a week.
There are large parts of the country where there are no ECNL clubs. These areas produce excellent soccer players who have no trouble finding good teams and getting into college. There will be large geographic areas without access to DA. Players in those areas will no doubt be at a big disadvantage getting onto National teams, but they will still find elite teams to play on and getting college scholarships will not be difficult.
Well if you and your daughter was a true fan of women's soccer and are paying attention to the upcoming NWSL draft on Jan. 12th. You can see many of those college players did not come from a GDA/ECNL club. Here is the link to the eligible players and what college and youth club they played for. So yes there is a path to college soccer and possible pro without GDA/ECNL.http://nwslsoccer.com/nwsl-reveals-preliminary-list-of-eligible-players-for-2017-draft
Looks like PDA Storm is getting a chance to play with the big girls at Jeff Cup. Should be very interesting. Championship Group B will come down again to Pipeline and SJEB. PA Classics will run group A. I think Classics has a shot to win it all.
Thanks PA Classics Mom, keep drinking lady!
I'm a father of a D1 prospect thank you very much!
Everyone on here are have prospects of D1 player and national type player I assume. Either way glad Jeff didn't follow CASL and group all the ECNL teams together hopefully it will show who the true region 1 teams are.
Well the players chosen for U16 GNT all 2020/2021 grads have been already been chosen already. Two PDA players and one World Class player representing NJ. http://www.ussoccer.com/stories/2017/01/09/18/54/20170109-u16gnt-kicks-off-2017-with-training-camp-in-san-diego-roster-release
Any player whose parent wrote a check could attend PSU clinic
9:59 - Good players. Should be a great draft. Not trying to burst any bubbles here, but you realize that these gals were part of the infancy of ECNL; before it became what it is today. There are many stories on the impact of ECNL on the current college atmosphere. Don't give up the dream where ever you play, but just be fully informed.
9:59 - I would not say many didn't come from ECNL. Most of those clubs listed are ECNL (they just don't have the league/ECNL after their names like some do). But do agree with recent blogger about not letting anywhere you play stop you from a dream.
250 Agreed anyone that paid for PSU clinic can attend 8th graders as well. I know there were some that went for free!
Congrats to PDA u16 NTC players .Looks like no one from a Pa. team could make the cut .Not surprised .
Inertia is a wonderful thing.
There are many states not represented in this group. Why are you noting just PA? Apparently, "These players are all age-eligible for the 2018 U-17 Women’s World Cup, which has an age cut-off of players born on or after January 1, 2001," Good luck to them. Go Team USA.
Message to the mature parents out there...we are now parents of 2002 girls, stop trying to make your daughter's team out to be the best by destroying others, get a life.Be a parent, help your daughter do her best to help her succeed in life.Lots of bullies and trolls around here, still stuck in the U12 years, living vicariously through their kids because they missed out on opportunities when they were young.Oh...and Obama is done and Trump won, get over it!
haha, agreed!How about making this a forum to help guide some of the parents that are new to the showcase experience? Of course, try o skip the part where you mention your daughter is the best and all P5 colleges are signing her up
I have an appropriate Parental Guide this forum:A) Pennsylvania soccer sucksB) New Jersey Soccer sucksC) See A) and B) for further details.
You may want to learn proper English and sentence structuring if you're going to be a dick. Sorry you didn't get your GED
8:48 I assume your a NY guy please signature your comments "NY Guy" so we all know your comments are not meaningful at all. If NJ soccer is bad how come they have 3 girls representing the U16 WNT. Along with many former NJ players that have played on the NT.
Good ideaPlus if he signs "NY guy", he doesn't need to sign "douche"
Yo 12:40 NY is (Manhattan, Brooklyn, Queens and the Bronx) - they can be a LI guy for long island or SI guy for Staten island or Upstate NY guy for everyone else. Of course then PA can sign as Sticks guy and NJ can sign as bridge and tunnel guy since we all know NY is the place to be just ask the Red Bulls they have nothing to do with NY but say they are from NY.
I thought that was pretty funny, you guys need to lighten-up, this is an anonymous blog, it could if been Donald J., and you would never know. Back to the bloggers comment, if the object was too yank-your-chains, I think he/she did a great job. We all know that PA/NJ does not suck, its average at best.-Your Mother
hahathe donald tweetsstop retiring in PA then you NJ and NY douches :)
Now, now children.... Let Jefferson Cup decide who sucks and who does not. NY, MD, PA, and NJ are all represented in the Championship Bracket.. Minus MD, they are all represented in the Elite Orange bracket as well. Bragging rights should be earned! If you get smoked at a tourney then take your verbal beating and move on. Its hysterical to read though. To guess who will win the Championship brackets is a huge toss up.. It almost could be each one of those teams.
The only time I would retire in PA is when I get a flat-tire, heard labor is cheaper.
Congrats to NYSC on getting the DA - as well as the Cedar Stars!
It's boys - but yes, congratulations are in order. Caertainlys eems as if everything is in place for a run at a girls GDA in time.
In Order? No. Its a freaking mess...trust me, I know.
Oh, well, screw you then.Might learn how to take a compliment.
NYSC has not done anything on the girls side to earn a compliment, nothing. They continue to lose their best players year after year because they don't have an ECNL franchise. The GDA was their last, best hope, to retain some quality players, but it turns-out it was just a fantasy.
Congrats to the guy who used to post here whose kid got drafted today. I am sure you are very proud!
@2:40, what's wrong with you, why you telling the NYSC guy to get screwed?? Seems like he is unhappy, no need to he so rude!
Any updates on the almighty GDA? im hearing they may delay another year. Makes sense, no news and very little happening.
I agree, nothing being discussed re GDA. Maybe there will be more discussion at the convention re the status.Haven't some teams had id camps already like Wash Spirit who has two teams (VA and MD)? Why would they hold these if not going forward? And, these are NWSL linked so you would think they have good intel re what is going on. #Mushroom treatment - kept in the dark
Screw me, is that the extent of your brain-power? Even though the club has taken many hits these past 12 months, I am more than happy with my little tiger’s progression. She has shown very well at our tournaments, and can compete with any girl, her own age, in this country. She is the mean machine.
President's Day Futsal U9-U14, HS, Adult Divisions. $175 one day event.Convenient to NY/NJ, Philly, MD.http://www.playbisc.com/soccer/futsal
Hey 1/10 @ 9:59 - ECNL tweeted - Congrats to all of the #ECNLalums drafted tonight in the 2017 @NWSL Draft! 30 of 40 players are former #ECNLers And, that is ECNL in its infancy, still. I guess this puts that debate to bed.
The post will say in 8 years: "congrats to the all the DA alumni that were drafted in the 2025 draft. 30 of the 40 are former DA'ers. "
The league won't be around in 8 years. The GDA will consume thousands of lives for a very select few to make the Natl team, maybe two on average per age year have a chance. Stick with npl and ecnl, get into a better college and enjoy high school, other sports and the rest of your families short time with kids. The over the top bunch can buy into the DA crap and then look back and regret their decisions.
2:01 - Study cause and effect (or chickens and eggs) more closely. Does ECNL have more elite players because it is a center of aggregation (and perhaps aggravation) that attracts those players who would be elite anyhow wherever they play, or is it a place that identifies raw talent at an early age and develops that talent over the course of many years. Take a look at PF U15. If not for the uniforms, you might think you were watching last year's PL U14 team. ECNL players are expendable, so when a better prospect comes knocking, someone is shown the door. Of course, over time, this weeding process results in only the top players being left in the league. Essentially, ECNL is huge ID process, but training and development may be no different than anywhere else.
I agree and that's what I've been saying for years now. My kid does not play on an ECNL team (could she, I guess that depends on the coach, but an hour plus one way is not worth it to me when she has quality training at her club).The top of the pyramid (currently ECNL to be replaced by GDA) is where all the kids that have NT dreams will go and that's what you want as a soccer nation. One league with all the top talent. This top of the pyramid league is to take these players to their next level some are more advanced so the next level will vary. Not only will the top of the pyramid be fore NT players but you will also have the top soccer colleges looking to fill their rosters (not the only place they look,but it will be the 1st place they look).Development means different things to us when it comes to a club. I believe the player needs to work on individual skills on their own and the club needs to work on vision and tactical work (soccer IQ) and not waste time with individual training. Just my 2 cents PS. Does the ECNL also take the blame for the success of our younger NTs teams? If you watched any of those games we are in trouble as a soccer nation!
Nah - credit the other nations.It will be cyclical. I like it better than when we just dominated. Competition is better and we will always be competitive.
Any updates from the PDA DOC about GDA?
Why is the 2002 Match Fit team ranked lower than their 2003 team on YSR? Are they really that bad?
Explaining the math is getting old. Theoretically you need a sample of 10 events minimum to have a ranking. Match fit 02s have only played one weekend so any rankkng you are viewing is not accurate. PDA storm as well. You should have early reads by mid april for those teams.
Awesome, so they'll be having tryouts for next year before anyone knows if they're good or not. Makes sense.
Agreed. Go to the ECNL standings to get some insight for games played. While it may not have the non-ECNL events, it will show how they match up against other ECNL clubs, if that helps. And, I guess look at their Got Soccer record if they attended any events that are recorded on those pages. With new birth year, it's all still being worked out.
I recommend actually attending games of the clubs you may wish to try out for.It doesnt always work with your own schedule and is some extra work but can be eye opening
7:32 - Good advice from a truly clinical or business like perspective. However, from the social perspective of a teenager, attending someone else's youth soccer game is sort of "creepy". Probably shouldn't be, but the girls don't necessarily see things the way the adults do.
9:11 I agree and this is the problem. If the kid asks the parent to move then you move. The parent taking the kid and trying to sell the kid on a move - well that's not what I would do.I believe the ECNL was the place to be for years, but my kid doesn't want to move. She has a good coach and good training, so end of story. If she doesn't want it why should I?
9:11 - soccer is a huge expense. It's not just a pair of cleats and a ball anymore. So, you check it out. What if your child doesn't like the coaches' demeanor and playing style? What if you don't? You are the consumer and should do your homework which may mean going to a game or two. Nothing says to stay the entire game, but see how the team clicks, the coaching, the fields and facilities; all of it.
Yeah, exactlyI meant the parent going to check out the potential of a club, not the player
Keep in mind with ecnl. What if you live in central/South jersey. PDA or MF is it. so you drive 2-4 hours round trip for ecnl? that is majority of reason most dont join. it is similar in pricing I hear? But I cannot subject my kid's to that type of drive. It is actually insane. But obviously if 30 out of 40 is ecnl.
@4:39 I guess your a Newbie. PDA is not 2-4 hours round trip from major hotspot in SJ. There is also PDA south branch that has affiliation with PDA's Main ECNL/GDA teams. SJ players also flock over to PA for ECNL/GDA at Penn Fusion as well. Signed: GDA-Mom!
Agreed. btw - Is your child on a GDA already? Or do you just support it?
The sample of 3 games for MF 2002 may be accurate - they lost to a couple of teams that played 10 games that were ranked at ~35. Since the scores didnt change from game to game - that ranking will stick for the few months before they even hold tryouts. The ranking of same age group teams in Cali South shows MF 2002 would not even make the top 20. That will also show you the difference between the DA and ECNL in the future.
1014. Thats just silly. You have no understanding of how the math works. Yes 30% of the first ten games is registered but 70% is not and as you get to games 11-12-13 thise first three games lose weighting as the most recent ten games are more heavily weighted. But to simplify if they averaged 35 for first 3 games and 37 for next 7 they would have a 36.4 score. But in all honesty this system was truly powerful with 30-40 games to compute a score. The other flaw is the big scores. If you beat a mediocre team 34~10-0 it gives you a 44 score for that game. So the sensitivity by using a sample of only 10 games will create issues. Over 40 games those should be smoothed out. And if you are using these to gauge tryouts you really dont get it. Ysr is great to gauge the strength of team you are playing. Good for tournament organizers. But to choise your club based on that. Again silly.
10:14 That's a lame analysis for as MF 2002 lost players and are still rebuilding it will take time for the newer players to build chemistry. 10 games is still not enough to gauge rankings as well in my opinion a full season is more adequate. We will all see where everyone stands come summer. They may not be as strong a GDA squad next year but will still compete in the ECNL and will still move girls along to college. Also you can't even compare DA to ECNL look at the boys side. DA clubs like Red Bulls are not even visibly ranked on GS or YSR. They are in there own world that cannot compare to any outside team. Same will occur on the girls DA side we will not be able to compare any of the GDA squads to outside teams. Signed: GDA-Mom!
Play 3 games, excellent plan to build chemistry with the new players.
3 games?? Teams are lucky if they can gel within 10 games. Has anyone noticed that the better the players the harder it is to gel? Elite players who come together on average come from teams where they were the star. Stars don't share very well. This is where the coach comes in, knocks all the diva garbage away and rebuilds.
@5:18. pda south, Ajax is not ecnl. The only two ecnl teams in NJ is PDA Storm and MF - right? That is up in north jersey. I am not sure what you mean? To play ecnl in NJ you have to go to one of those? Unless sure, you want to go to PA or Long Island.
10:26MF may be able to compete in ECNL if other ECNL teams take away 1/2 their squads and more them to DA teams? Analysis is not lame, its just weird how MF cant retain talent any more, and are struggling against EDP teams.10:19 Big scores are not an issue - its variance and consistency in team play. if a team is constantly beating other teams by a high margin - they will continue to do so and their rankings will adjust based on level of competition. if a team narrowly loses consistently to similarly ranked teams - their will continue to drop. and you are correct - latest results - bigger weight.
7:08 I agree and they the rankings are dynamic also - As the teams you played play more games and become stronger or not their scores will also adjust the score of the teams they played previously. So if MF score increases that will also increase the score of the teams they played or decrease some scores.
Enough with MF bashing can we just move on from them.
Initial EDP flights are out -- let the bashing begin. https://www.gotsport.com/asp/directors/tournament/vieweventteamscleanb.asp?eventid=57134
I'll be the first to bash what's the point of creating 4 brackets of division 1 play among 4 states (NY,NJ,PA,MD). At this age worrying about placing teams that play a short distance from each should not matter. No way 31 teams in Division 1 brackets should be there it's a injustice for the league. Many games will be a waste of parents weekend, didn't U.S. advocate more training with more meaningful games.
I agree 12:29 - EDP should have a top of the Pyramid.D1 NPL (NPL Schedule)D1 Non-NPL (10 teams 9 games)Championship top 2 form NPL and Non-NPLD2 10 Teams (top 4 teams replace bottom 4 from D1 Non-NPL) D3 and lower Regional Divisions - the 4 regional winners replace D2 bottom 4more pro/rel with lower flights.
Wow dude you’re organized, can you come a fix-up my closet?
I know people on here were talking about the Penn State Clinic a few weeks ago is anyone going to Rutgers's Clinics?
All college clinics are parent-scams, its just extra revenue for the coach and his staff.
You feel there is never a benefit to college ID clinics? I would assume any standouts are noted by the coaches.
I love how the DA is talking about this great new platform that will change the way coaches and clubs have to think, and it's not about winning. When will it be important to win?
For the players it still will be
If a club now has GDA and the coaches are all the same, what has really changed? USSF is only an influenceClub coaches were good or bad or in between already
Just my .02 (from a U17 Parent) on College ID clinics/CampsIn my opinion they do work. My daughter attended a few camps/clinics between her freshman and sophomore year. Based on the club team we also received our share of TDS/East Coast Elite, and College specific invites. My caution is you do need to weed through the marketing emails to get to the real invites. and you also need to be able to discern a true follow-up from the coach and a mass follow-up. My daughter emailed coaches prior to showcase events and ID camp invites from those schools when received were responded to by her. Of the camps/clinics she has attended she has received emails (both direct from coaches and "marketing") as well as phone calls. Based on NCAA rules there is a fine line regarding communication but I can tell you at this point in her Junior year if not for the clinics she would most likely be a bit behind in her recruiting cycle and decision making process. Granted she is not looking at Duke and USC but her target schools' coaches are engaged and communicating with her. Without attending their clinics I do not believe that would be the case.
Agree with 9:35, I'm a parent of both 2002 and 1999Repetition is also key when the communication has been establishedIn one instance, she filled out a college application y coach's request(as a beginning sophomore), which opened the door for some additional communication that couldn't have occurred without this...so we're told at least.Oh and believe me...NCAA rules are "fluid" for some schools :)
RE: clinics at $150 and up fore 2 hours!!!! ie RutgersUnless your daughter is a prodigy, this is just a money grab for the soccer coach!!!
935 thanks for the insight can you keep us updated on your U17. Also did she play ECNL/Non-ECNL?
I agree. We are currently weeding through ID clinic's and Rutgers is 2 hours @ $150. That is insane! She will not be attending that one needless to say.
This is wise if you are not specifically targeting Rutgers as her destination
9:35 here,She was ECNL and non-ECNL, if you want to talk money grab... To put in perspective U16 ECNL will prepare your daughter for the college experience with the travel and in-team competitiveness. The training for our club is a bit limited I think do to the age and the recruiting this year, training has become more of an opportunity for coaches to game plan. It also works as "King of the Hill" to identify starters and subs, very little training as I believe the coaches feel individual skills are set. There is also a slight undercurrent of team unity and individualism. The girls want to win games, but the core players will not "help" the others along. It is an interesting dichotomy. 10:12Either your child attended a clinic and you did not see the value (read - no coaches contact post clinic) or you were looking for something else. The Rutgers clinic is a multi opportunity experience, one that offers your daughter the chance to train with a college staff, with girls who believe they can compete at a college level, and to be seen in a controlled setting. Depending on her age she may be in too early, or depending on her skill be in over her head. These are all good things to find out. If she was too young or over her head you can now either find her range or readjust expectations. There are some schools that will not even look at a player who has not come through the clinic (plus it opens up communications that NCAA rules may prevent otherwise). To say there is no value is a misrepresentation of the process.
PDA/Sky Blue GDA Tryouts AnnouncedDate & timeFriday Feb 10th 8-9.30pm (1999/00)Friday Feb 17th 8-9.30pm (2001/02)Friday Mar 3rd 6.30-9.30pm (call back)Feb 10th & 17th sessions will be indoors
Has there been any commitment on how GDA will be funded?
1221 did you not read each DA conference has been awarded a certain amount of Scholar $ to use by teams how those GDA teams choose to handle it we will see. I doubt they will spread it equally, more like specific players will get full or partial club tuition paid the rest will pay. There will most likely younger team contribute as well into GDA teams. So NO it will not be free like many have thought. So with 24+ on a roster who will want that if your player rank is 12th-24th.
The GDA is mandating like everything else certain things. All clubs have to maintain scholarships, but are need based. In other words, nothing to do with skill or ability, all about family finances. Makes no sense if you are truly looking to find and development Some clubs like LA will be fully funded across the board. Don't count on PDA doing this, they are more about money than development.
1:28 - so are you saying you would turn down an outstanding training opportunity even if your kid was the last one invited? You know Tom Brady was not a top pick either? Sometimes it's that edgy kid that is tired of being overlooked that brings it.
553 definitely if my child is last on that ladder I will stay ECNL and let her enjoy HS soccer. Sorry but there is not enough clubs in GDA yet and travel expenses will be outrageous. It would be like the beginning stages of ECNL. Plus if you look at it our 02's in 8th grade they will be competing with 01&02's that will be entering Jr/Soph year of HS. Go play with some of top 01's in your club I bet you'll get a reality check.
If a GDA is associated with a pro team, then there's more money and more "free" chances. Otherwise it's on the club to to the right thing financially.Again the USA is backwards with soccer...most other countries, the better player you are, the less you pay.
735 That's a laugh "If GDA is associated with a pro team then there's more money and "free" chances" Sky Blue has the lowest attendance of any sports team they are in the negative every year on financials. I doubt they are funding any GDA players.
So typical....find one example to negate the whole argument...How many pro teams are there? Just Sky Blue?
Typical please! It's not one example 7 out of 10 NWSL teams average 5k or less in attendance with Sky Blue having the lowest they are not going to fund GDA teams. With NWSL only having 9/10 matches a year they do not make enough to cover salaries of players, coaches, and personal along with all the other cost of marketing, fields and training. No big company is knocking on the door to sponsor NWSL teams due to low marketing value in return because of attendance. The PDA/Sky Blue merger for DA was a way to field quality teams at both DA and ECNL. Thus the reason why Matchfit backed out as by no means they are ready to field teams in both leagues and stay competitive. World Class, Cedar Stars, EM etc. will be the same great DA teams but lack of talent if they keep ECNL. NWSL attendance recap: http://soccerstadiumdigest.com/2016-nwsl-attendance/
A club is therefore seeing something valuable in GDA and will continue to operateIf someone is only looking to GDA for freebies, they're missing the point
so you could be the best soccer player in the state, but if your parents have a decent job, please pay up and you can join our development platform. We promise it will be the best. And then we will mandate what you can and can not do. Makes sense.
:)Or just stick to ECNL 1:21, you're good. So your daughter's club is currently free? hahaDon't feel so threatenedNo one will force your daughter into this, options options
7:56 - our club does play the older teams in it for scrimmages and practices. You don't get better unless you play the better players. And, in HS, a senior doesn't care if a kid is another senior or a freshman when playing them as an opponent. They play to win. That is the same mentality in college too. If you are on the field, you gotta have game.
Is there a consensus that PDA/Cedar Stars/World Class concentrate their top talent in the DA team and not in ECNL? If so will the competition in ECNL nosedive - and people end up traveling to play 2nd tier teams?Are there any alternatives - National League?
Ecnl will be very even with npl. I think those leagues needs to merge or ecnl needs to open up to a bunch of new clubs. They should give ecnl to clubs in the north like a CRUSh or Stallions and a SJEB/RUSH in the south.
Not so sure that will happen, most clubs are not thrilled about depleting their ECNL teams. This program will take 2-4 years to become standard, by then tbe 02's will be in college, and all this angst becomes another parents problem.
Haha thats funny. Tsf crush sdfc stallions all gonna be gone soon. So many defections. Princeton took crush best player.
Are you talking about the Crush player that jumped from a 2002 team to a #1 2000 team. That is just jumping into straight college showcase. Unique coach that is giving 120% to that age group. Players from all teams jumped there.
Yup. Just like Stallions had Dynamite, Princeton (or IGFA) has that one special team. The rest are meh. I guess Wildcats are great at 2002 (so is SJEB in the south). Unfortunately its not just coach - you also need to grow the team for a couple of years, and manage to attract new talent each year to deal with burnouts.
I dont think that team is like Dynamite. Im not sure we ever see another dynamite. Also think 2001-2002 is the meat of the recruiting pyramid not a 2000 team. Better to play for pda ecnl if you can. Or even mf and wc.
Rumors are that ECNL is mandating full participation; if you are DA, you cannot keep ECNL. I believe this is waived for the founding clubs (PDA will get by by using the sky blue GDA tag), but the other clubs have to choose one or the other.
stop spreading bullshit.
I heard the same thing 8:39.
Awesome youth organizations battle for power kids lose.
8:39, I heard that it was the DA mandating that clubs(with a dozen or so exemptions) could not participate in ECNL and DA. Same end result - a power struggle, but one initiated by the DA, not the ECNL. Doesn't effect PDA they are an exception and doesn't affect Cedar Stars bc they aren't in the ECNL. Does impact Penn Fusion though. They have a decision to make.
Yes they can only keep both if 3 of their 4 ECNL teams made the Champions league. Indeed Penn Fusion will have to choose. My guess is that the only PA GDA is in Lancaster.
Regarding ID camps, clinics, Rutgers Penn State. 1- Be sure you understand, at schools of this "soccer" quality, like top 20-50 D1, understand your kid better already be great, be on npl, ecnl or something. Don't think it's not too late. By 02 you have to be on a good team, just have to at 02 now with recruiting. If still on town team, or something, get as quickly as you can on npl or ecnl or Academy etc. Realize when they put you in 3rd - 12th brackets that you are not on a good team. And be sure you are at Jeff Cup, Disney, CASL, Eclipse, Bethesda, at the least. 2- 90% of the battle is you as a parent understanding the above thoroughly, and also that your kid Wants to go to this type of soccer school. Even if a prodigy at Rutgers you may sit. But at Princeton you may play. 3 - These are two-three things I see that are very important. Kid has to think they can do it, parent understand above and you may sit even if one of the best in country at a top 20-50 D1 school. My daughter "thinks" she can do Rutgers, and does not care if she sits. I am explaining try another D1 school so you can play more, better chance to make etc. But she insists on going with the best........so again that is 90% of the battle.
I am hearing the same. I think we will see PF back out much like Match Fit did leaving PA Classics as the only GDA in PA.
Incorrect clubs will keep DA and ECNL. As ECNL will still be a strong stable on the even years on the 1st go around od GDA. Remember DA is Bi-annual from U15+ so next year's squad will of U17(01/02's) and mostly 01's will take majority of the roster that will leave a large number of talented 02's to find somewhere to play as there is no "B" team in GDA. Only the national level players at 02 will be moved up to U17(01/02) next year.So the Even(02,00's) year's for ECNL next year will be very competitive as many of the players that did not make the U17's GDA team will flock to an ECNL team with the club or outside the club.
1236 makes a good point! With less GDA teams leaves and ECNL at yearly age groups it opens up more talent pushed out or missed to fulfill ECNL teams.
We believe that we will have to do the GDA for one year for college coaches credibility. As soon as my daughter gets a commitment, we will leave GDA and move back to ECNL/NPL depending on team, coach and location. This way we can enjoy more family time and HS soccer for last two years. It is also is hard on my other two children who don't play high level sports. We have spoke to coaches at PDA and they agree and believe a lot of families will do this as well and that many of the best girls are still undecided because of the family commitments the GDA requires.. Only reason we would leave ecnl is because of distance, over an hour away and may not be necessary if we can find solid training alternative. I think most clubs really just care about overall number of kids playing. $$$$ regardless.
12:36Your premise is correctBut GDA teams are labeled U16/17(02, 01) and U18/19(00,99) at that age, not just U17 and U19.I could see some 02s making a mark. The upside is that the 02s that make it have 2 years with that team.
We are sticking with ecnl next year and will make decision following year da. I have the confidence in daughters skill that she can always move. Spoke with our DOC and he fine with decision. We also spoke with older daughters D1 coach who says the jury is still,out and will be for some time. Although I will admit, we are going to tryouts. I think they want to see more kids opt out, just my opinion.
We're staying put and shooting for the B team.I hate to see my little girl not win when she tries out for something.The participation ribbons will be flying that day!
Can someone please explain to me what will happen to the 02's and 00's that do not make the GDA team's within those clubs as there is not single age group for those years next year for GDA.
Guessing if you don't make GDA you can play next team. Whatever the club may call it...B, Elite, etc...Or go back where you already play if you didn't miss tryouts?
2pm - my kid can make any DA in the country and start and be top 5. Still not going and she will get committed next year and could have already if I had your ego.
3:17 - 2pm is a troll, obviously. Don't feed it.
Yesterday we were debating if NWSL would be funding some GDA teams they are associated with and many doubt it because of attendance. Well I'm little disappointed after reading this article as well knowing there is pretty much no women except for 1. NWSL can't even fork over the funds to get potential player/coach's trained and certified. http://www.excellesports.com/news/nwsl-diversity-women-coaches/?utm_source=ExcelleSports+Main+List&utm_campaign=91ad6cd14b-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2016_11_22&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_ece29a6034-91ad6cd14b-183811981
The clubs are providing the full scholarships, not the USSF or GDA. So if a GDA Team roster is 30 and they are providing only 10 scholarships the other 20 are paying the bill for the 10 that have a legit shot. Let's be real for a second if your kid is paying they are not at the top of the class and have no shot at USNT camp invite. I'm not going to argue college because to each their own. 5:39 - Some NWSL clubs will generate more money from their GDA teams. SkyBlue/PDA will probably generate more from youth soccer than they will from attendance and that is sad.
The clubs have to provide a minimum number of scholarships, again mandated from GDA. They are all need based and have zero to do with ability. Go do the research, it is very clearly stated.
907 I call BS there are players playing for free now because clubs are afraid of losing them to competing clubs. Trust me.
Why should anyone trust you? We don't know who you are and if you have any credibility. It's laughable that someone on an anonymous board would say trust me.
I agree, trust is for lovers and losers, it might Donald J. for all we know, I heard that Barron wants to play for the NYCFC Academy team, he will make it happen.
9:38 I trust you and I know your right. That's life man.10:22 why do you post as anonymous?11:41 I know why you do - because if you signed it - you wouldn't haven made your post.9:07 I see 1,544 players receive a full scholarship. How would a club define need based? So you think they are going to ask for tax returns from the previous year for all players to determine who the need based players are? Oh only if a player submits an application for a scholarship - i can see many doing that unless of course the club makes public their family income threshold so all players thinking of trying out know they can play for free if accepted.
12:41 - Yes, if a player wants financial aid, the parent(s) or legal guardian(s) will likely need to file an application that includes the prior year tax return(s). An example of the type of financial aid application form that might be used can be found on the EPYSA ODP website at:https://usys-assets.ae-admin.com/assets/947/15/2016-17%20ODP%20Financial%20Aid%20Application.pdf
Do you really believe wc and cedar stars will have a decent platform for girls next year? Hard for me to believe tgat. But do think pda can pull it off.
This is what I foresee happening the players that did not get picked up at PDA's GDA will flock to the other GDA's like WC or CS to make those roster's.
12:56 I will play along - you are the club since you know the process.I am the parent of a player that is good enough to start on your team, we haven't been at try outs because we know we can't afford your tuition. Where is it made public the family income threshold for a scholarship? Does the club want parents not on their teams to submit their tax return prior to try out? I would think yes, Why waste anyone time right? I have yet to see this on any website you know black and white family income thresholds to be eligible for a scholarship. But they don't do this to avoid applicants, they let everyone come up with their own threshold in their own mind.
1:18 and 1:25.I think all the GDA teams will be good, remember FIFA rules only 14 of the 18 that dress play in the game and the 3 subs might only play a few minutes. If each GDA is giving out 10 scholarships those kids will play the bulk of the games and any player that is quality will have their parents looking to save a buck at any DA hey man that's a minimum of 8k in your wallet over 4 years to pay for that travel.The kids with the dreams will pay the full price and will train 4 times per week and play very little. Do you you think the college coaches that come to practice is coming to look at them?Maybe? I'm not knocking the GDA - I love the top of the pyramid league model. I wish all the kids that play lots of luck.
1:26 - Fair and open tryouts (assuming there is such a thing) would not consider ability to pay. This would be publish along with a statement that selected players could be eligible for financial aid. Application would be made after selection. No guarantee of award. If not granted aid, family would need to decide to stay or go. Alternatively, or in conjunction with such a process, a club could proactively seek talent from underserved areas. A bigger issue is that a family in need of financial aid may be lacking in other resource areas such as time (e.g. single parent with multiple kids) or transportation (got to get to practice somehow). Look at Pennsylvania. If it comes to pass as some have speculated on Youth Soccer Talk, and PAC ends up as the only GDA in PAE, there becomes a significant geographic limitation because there is not a large population density inside of 30 minutes of the PAC training facilities. You need to extend out to at least an hour drive time to obtain a player pool from which to truly draw a representative sample of the "best of the best". Many families in need of financial aid do not have the time and transportation resources for the necessary commute to a development academy.
I think you think you know much more than you do.
3:36 - 1:35 here I know nothing.Just going off of what is made public.
1/26 @10:32 - What are you saying about PF? The 99/00's ECNL last year finished as semi-finalists in the North American Cup and the other two teams were in the Champions League. This year they seem strong in all teams. Plus they will get kids from very good nearby clubs for ECNL. I know kids that are waiting to hear about their id sessions.
Will be interesting to see what happens if they merge with cfc
It would be a good merger. Both clubs have great coaches, players and facilities. Makes sense as CFC has boys' DA and PF has girls. Plus PF has boys' ECNL. And, leagues in PF for post high school for both women and men. Both have very good feeder programs for younger players as well. So, agree with you. Will be interesting.
7:38 Spirit United was with PF then they kicked them to the curb for Delco and formed CFC now you think the two will merge?
Different times, different managers. Yes, I do.
Yoy U15 girls youth soccer we just love to see it. soccer tips girls played more cool than boys in soccer games. You can study the research and get out the result.
Do you know what would be a good merger, Pennsylvania and Nova Scotia, please go, go now.
Seems like somebody ^ is worried their little Mia won't make a team.
Agreed. One response is a troll, it seems and the other just as you said, a person trying to scare away competition.
Thx for the infowe'll skip tryouts there :)
From the U17 blog: "11 kids at Spirit DA combined MD and VA. Budget estimated $7000." That's for two DA teams. Very Interesting that they are not getting many GDA come out for ID Combines at those ages may not be worth it to Jr. & Sr. if they are committed or close to committing to a school already. Wonder how many girls will showed up for the PDA's and PA classic's DA Clinics.
No reason to go to da at older age group. Will not be work until the younger teams move up in a few years.
Some have stated otherwise. There's not one right answer. Individual decision has to be made.
Hearing the same thing benefits for going GDA mostly for girls headed to 8th grade and below this fall. Can anyone explain to me the Boys DA age groupings as it looks as they consider a player born 2002 U14 this season? how girls DA wont follow the same age groupings?
They say they want the same thing, but keep changes the rules. Makes no sense if they are replicating the boys side. I belive they are more concerned with the overall numbers, not getting the top players. This will take years to work out and chances are they will mess it up. At least they are allowing HS, but I'm sure it will only be for the very top girls who they can't afford not to have join.
Good idea to look at 2017-2018 season for boys and girls. They will be similarWho said they'll allow HS play?Please show official link. Thanks
NJ CRUSH will have a tough time after losing top players. I think the bloggers went with them.
12:52 You may have only read part of the storyRead the entire story again....
What did I miss, she said you can play?
“They just can’t do both at the same time.” "Heinrichs suggested that players could step away from their GDA clubs to participate in their high-school seasons and then return, apparently without penalty."“We’re saying girls have to make choices. There’s the Girls Development Academy. There’s high school soccer, ECNL, other leagues – girls cannot do it all.”Doesn't sound like a certain, official DA comment to me."apparently without penalty" Again, up to each girl to choose....not for everyoneMany posters are acting like they're beiing forced into something. If your daughter is getting what she needs, then keep going!!!
Okay, so they can play. And yes, they have a choice to make. I sent this and you asked me to read again?
Either you or your child wants to try out for the GDA or they don't. End of story. It's not for everyone. No need to bash it.
Just like FB....read to reply not to understand....
Not too many DA coaches are going to be happy to have their players playing HS. You're either in or not. If your kid makes a DA roster but decides to sit out to play HS during the Fall, do you really think coaches are going to put them in that starting lineup when they return? No. They'll be sitting. Why make the commitment to play DA if youre going to miss an entire season of that great exposure? Exposure they won't be getting playing at their HS soccer field for sure.
My feeling is PDA "tryouts" might produce 1-2 players or are an insurance policy in case DA turnout is really small to save face. I would think it will be more on an invitation basis and the pool of kids they want is already on pda or also mostly known such as wc players. I would think that cedar stars and world class will have to take kids that dont beling just to fill rosters or will pick up kids after hs season. If PDA does not know who your kid is or you dont play their ecnl team this season for a direct look, good luck. But do try for wc/cedar stars. There will be a lot of spots.
Not worried about the DA sitting my kid if she plays HS. If she does, this will go to show they are not looking for the best, just people like you. My kid should never sit and if she does, I would not have her play at that level, with that commitment and cost to my family. I have that choice as you would say, over and over and over. But HS is allowed and kids now have a that choice.
Agreed. And that doesn't mean that since USSF allows it that the various clubs will as well. It all depends on that specific Clubs' training schedule. A lot of this is to avoid overuse injuries. That is in the best interest of the players. And, we the parents need to look at that as well. I'm getting tired of Henny Penny telling me the sky is falling; GDA will be horrible, ECNL will be horrible, etc.. All of this is up in the air, but as MANY have noted, it comes down to choices. We need to make sure we make decisions that best work for OUR specific children, whatever it is.
I would hate to be your child.
GDA and ECNL will self cannibalize, no need for Henny Penny to tell you that. GDA - because it will end up being too rigid. ECNL - because it will lose all top talent to GDA. All that will be left are the SJEB/RUSH and Wildcats.
Two teams that win games with good athletes and marginally skillful soccer players
What does DA mean to your kid?A chance at Olympics/World Cup/CONCACAF?If you said yes then Academy is the place to be for your kid. They will get into a top college if they can juggle the commitment? DA training 4 times a week 10 months a season 20 to 30 games a season plus DA tournaments and if they are picked get to go to CA a few times a year to train for a spot for a CONCACAF/World Cup roster spot. So we have International travel plus CA a few times a year in addition - where does school fit in exactly? So if your kid has the goods sit down and make sure you can swing what is being asked and what you will have to sacrifice.Don't worry about college, if you are talking high level soccer then your kid will play for a school and get some money the question is do you want Olympics or High School Soccer. Becasue if it's Olympics there is no romm for HS soccer.
Your odds are so low for the highest level. Maybe 3 girls in state over 6 age years. The GDA wants you 4 days a week, what club has those facilities? Pda has the most and can't even do two times a week now and they are adding more kids and programs. They will not drop tne others, they pay too. How does tne GDA fix this, please do tell. They aren't giving money to help facility cost and we don't live in southern cal.
All you need is an athlete. Hint - Mallory Pugh. And she played high school soccer and club twice a week six months a year....
5:52 - well, that's cruel. I think the poster was saying that is what all the doubter/Henny Penny's on the post board are saying. They are proclaiming without any evidence that this will be bad, that will be bad, nothing will work.These doomsday soccer preppers perceive the GDA to be a bad thing. Previously, the ECNL was perceived as a bad thing. Looks like anything new is deemed prior to its start to be bad by some. I say, let's wait and see. ECNL turned out to be pretty good. GDA will be as well.
.8:51 - fun fact. Pugh only played hs 3 yrs. She didn't play senior year. Also, in her soph yr., she only played a partial year. ".....and in sophomore year, despite missing more than half of her high school games due to national team commitments, she helped the team to the state semifinals. " So, she really didn't play a lot of high school during most of her high school eligibility. And, the GDA wants practices 4 days a week not 2 days as you note re Pugh. So, depending on the club and the GDA commitment required, this may be impossible to do without the kids getting injured. Just saying
Saw that Pugh info, too. "Pugh attended Mountain Vista High School in Highlands Ranch from 2012 to 2016. In her three seasons with her high school team..." Nonetheless, clearly a phenom when she played. But, she didn't play a lot as well. Not sure she is a good example for those who want high school and GDA.
But everyone thinks their kid is a Mallory. Ha! If your kid couldn't make or last long in a TC then good luck in the DA. If they don't like to work and/or they can't play technical soccer then steer them toward HS. Where a high work rate is not important and she can boot the ball and receive a pat on the back from the coach for it. Look, who cares what anyone else's opinion is including mine. Soon DA will be the best option for those girls who have the talent and want to play D1 in college. Certainly not for all and doesn't need to be.
So many uncertainties with either path...choose one that's best for your daughter. Why bash one over the other? Sad statement on our society....
Please there are bigger issues in our society than youth soccer. This is just a soccer blog. Relax.
Trying to do the math here. So rounded and after possible speculation of who stays and who goes there are about 50 clubs in the GDA (nationwide). 20 players per team per age equals 1000 girls at each age group, roster for NT may be 25. So figure out where your daughter stands on the pyramid and if her chances are good to get an NT spot oh, and keep it from U15 through U23. Also take into consideration that the U means a U15 player can be selected to play U17. Conversely, looking from the ECNL side if you are not on the GDA team what are your chances as you age up? And a 1000 girls at U18 in GDA fills the pool for most open roster spots on top colleges at each year. Reference for club #’s http://www.ussoccerda.com/girls-academy
I believe there are 20 or so spots per dual age group so i would think 500-600 kids per age group. I also think that not all top ecnl players want to go DA. I think colleges will continue to monitor both DA and ecnl heavily for our age group and above. Even with 500 - 600 you are still less than 5% to be on the nat team and that is if they take zero kids from outside DA which seems unlikely.
Sorry this age group has NT players selected for U16 NT. So the chances of getting placed on this group are less than 1% and you must be above and beyond the current pool. The selected U16 will stay on until U18 and maybe a few slight changes through the years. Sorry but everyone dreams are now gone worry about college.http://www.ussoccer.com/us-under16-girls-national-team/roster#tab-1
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