Truth is they made every shady move to garner those points, even using 2 team names to max points for a year and then combining the 2 teams points to one team last year to shoot up the rankings. Then you have the roster moves to not card Boca for NCS State Cup so you were able combine players from both teams to win in the fall. Now after all that effort to get the false high ranking you want to claim you never aspired to be highly ranked team? Stop with the BS.You gamed the system and now that you have been exposed as a fraud so you want to be left alone?
It isn't about the team or the girls. I agree -- they have done well! The point is that valuing tournaments based on how many GS points you get is a bit silly. Those GS points are fun but aren't really worth much in terms of a ranking and measure of how good you are.
Now we're going to start trashing SJEB out of no where? My guess is that's Angry Rush Parent again.In the last 6-7 months, NJSCA has lost to Galaxy, who lost to SJEB, who lost to Boca, who lost to Rush, who lost to Copa, who lost to Mercer, who lost to Denville, who lost to Randolph, who lost to TBAA, who lost to Cherry Hill, who lost to East Coast Premier Soccer. So ladies and gentlemen, I argue that the #1 team in NJ is now ECPS.
How did I know that a request for Delco predictions would turn back to a NJ blog fest?
10:16So why take it out on the girls. Be angry at the adults all you want.
@10:34 because nobody cares about talking up your team
9:26 I won't let you just say that witha counter.You say it doesn't cover all league game? As you can see from the below once theleague is over GS manually creates an event so teams can get points you claim they don't.NPL Northeast Girls Leaguehttp://home.gotsoccer.com/rankings/event.aspx?EventID=42278ECNL 2014/2015 Conference Standingshttp://home.gotsoccer.com/rankings/event.aspx?EventID=42284Then you said tournaments are also excluded, that is also not true. The only tournament excluded is the PDA tournament and that is becasuewt hey removed it. GS added it twice only to be removed both times, doubt GS removed it. Wellanyway below aresomemanually entered GS tournamentsNPL Finalshttp://home.gotsoccer.com/rankings/event.aspx?eventid=471902015 US Club Soccer National Cuphttp://home.gotsoccer.com/rankings/event.aspx?eventid=471912015 ECNL National Finalshttp://home.gotsoccer.com/rankings/event.aspx?eventid=47120 USCS Mid-Atlantic Regionalhttp://home.gotsoccer.com/rankings/event.aspx?eventid=47148CASL Girls Showcasehttp://home.gotsoccer.com/rankings/event.aspx?EventID=49835Then you go on about (gasp!!) purchasing their software? Yupifyoupurchase thesoftware you get the bonus points for winning games. How else do you expect them to make money? of course they should do it all for free regardless of the software used right?No one takes it seriously, you say?What's the difference betweenBeing #1 on GS - playing in 6 tournaments and placing in all 6.Winning US Club national cup - when you can pay an application fee and play in the same regional that State Cup winners play in? What qualifications?Then you make funofa team for winning the NJ State NCS which qualified them for the Region1 Championships in West Virginia.their points6,868 NJ NCS Champion690 NJ Cup2,007 EDP League11,419 6 tournaments which included NEWSS, Bethesda & Spirit.GS4 Life
@10:39, not GS4LUnless it's your NJ team that can only get accepted at EDP Cup?
GS4Life those points in tournaments were all gained by advancing in 2nd and 3rd flights.If there is a knock on GotSoccer I would say it is that a Team playing in Flight 1 of Bethesda, Jefferson Cup, etc. that plays the best teams by far and does not advance out of bracket gets 0 points while a team that goes to semifinals or finals in F2 or F3 and plays much, much weaker teams gets a few thousand points.
A good, true coach, will enter team where there's good competition, not searching for most points. This is why GS has created a dilemna, points DO place you in tournaments...
Agree with 10:48 point. Has to be some way to not benefit teams who play in lower flights to get points. I know coaches who admit they purposely ask for F2 or F3 so they can win some games and have a chance to advance as they know they can't compete in F1. It really makes no sense that those teams can be #1 in their states without ever playing the other top teams in tournament play.that is the biggest issue with Gotsoccer rankings accuracy and is the main reason wy teams are ranked much higher than deserved.
GS is a JOKE
10:48 So why are they at fault because the tournaments put them in lower flights? How is that a knock on them? You can only play the teams they put in front of you and if you place good job.I'm not saying GS is right I like Youth Soccer rankings better, but to blame a team for beating the teams the tournament put in front of them is not right they don't control the flight they are put in. I agree 100% teams using the GS tool should go 100% GS rankings for their flight and if a team that is highly ranked does poorly it should adjust for that also to true up their rankings. So WAGS, Bethesda, Spirit, Disney, Delco, Jefferson & Surff Cup to name a few have bad competition shame on them for using GS and attracting so many good teams that their lower flights also carry many GS points. Shame on you!!
I am sorry but their ranking system of awarding points based on the value of flights and tournaments is fundamentally flawed as it is still reliant on a human judgement call for team placement. And points are held onto way too long. Another example. Take the state cup tournaments. Teams get points for winning state cup as a prize but actual game to game performance is ignored. GS tries to make up for this by awards arbitrary points for ties and beating better teams -- but even those point allotments are subjective values. And the fact is that when you have U14 teams in a state that do not participate in the tournament (ie ECNL), then you cannot use tournament points to rank those non-ecnl teams over the Ecnl teams -- or you would have to add more value to the ECNL league games. Which GS does not because it is not in their best interest to promote league or tournament play that does not benefit them. Matchfit ECNL is the best team in Jersey (besides PDA which pulls itself from GS) and everyone knows it. Wildcats are maybe second. The fact that GS does not reflect this means GS is broken. PF NPL is ranked higher than PF ECNL in PA? No way. GS is broken. East Meadow ECNL is nowhere in the regional top 25 of GS U14 but Wildcats Galaxy is? Ridiculous. GS is broken.And yes, I am sorry to say that you shouldn't rank teams if you are financially benefitting from those teams ranked directly or indirectly. Can you imagine if the NCAAs relied on a private company whose customer was the Rose Bowl to be the judge of the rank of a team who was in the Rose bowl and the judge of a team who was not playing in the Rose Bowl?! It is a simple conflict of interest. Law school 101.
DELCO is a JOKE
I'm always the first to admit that GS is flawed, and I don't think there is anyone who will try to tell you it's 100% accurate, but the teams that play consistently in F1 and don't advance maybe shouldn't be in F1. And teams that win lower flights in most tournaments get far fewer points for those wins, and sometimes only equal to a 3rd or 4th place team in a higher flight. Point being, you need to win a lot of F3s and F4s to equal the teams that win occasionally in F1. And most people can look at the two teams and know that one of them is unquestionably better, so why are you worried?The top three teams in NJ are PDA and MF (I really don't care in what order), then NJ Wildcats Averbuch, then about 10-15 other teams that could all beat each other any given day. Stop worrying about it.
Prediction for Delco tournament...1776 will fail to advance out of their bracket in a major tournament...again.
11:10 I agree team placement kills everything. Also ECNL don't participate by choice - I can provide you with links that show ECNL teams playing in State Cups. ECNL can not play in NCS because they need USYSA State cards. However, they opt out of their US Club State Cup by choice. So then again we kill the teams that play the teams in front of them.How many times has MF or PDA ECNL teams beat NJ Wildcats this season? So you think they are better? The only way we know is if they play and don't win. NJ Wildcats beat LVU 6-0 who beat PDA Storm 2-0 - to make a claim that it is a given that a team is not better before they even play well that shows what exactly?Why is PF, PDA, MF and EM not in the top 25? may be because they have multiple GS accounts? They don't care to check them so why should GS care if they are not in the top 25?11,891 EAST MEADOW HOTSHOTZ4,208 EAST MEADOW SC EAST MEADOW 01G PRE-ECNL15,875 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY STORM4,950 PDA 01G PRE-ECNLOnce the ECNL season is over they will get their ECNL Conference points and if they place at the ECNL finals they will get those points as well.So how do you feel about the US Club Regionals being pay to play instead of qualifying for them like on the USYSA side? is this a conflict of interest or is this not pay to play for a national Title? something about that just sounds wrong what's your take on this 11:10?
Wow -- the 1776 hater. PAC parent? What's your grudge? Why the venom?
11:10 here. My issue with GS has more to do with those parents and coaches who believe that it is the true measuring stick. It is not. YSR is much more accurate and you can see it on the field. GS has two main problems. The "points award" concept and the conflict of interest. The points award system is a blunt instrument that simply is not granular enough to track performance on a game to game basis. The conflict of interest is the other. Why can YSR rank all the teams mentioned but GS can't? (yes, I know YSR has inaccuracies, but at least he tries to fix them!) It isn't because the teams aren't doing their housekeeping on rankings. If you are going to rank teams, it IS your job to make sure the data is accurate regardless of how much love you think you get from a team. The reason GS does not provide granular, complete coverage on a game to game basis and does not clean up their data on top 25 teams is that they are only motivated to help teams and tournaments that help them. I get it's a business, but that's my point. If you are ranking teams, you have to be unbiased by definition. If the ECNL made a deal to run GS software at all its games and tourneys, you would see a complete change in the GS rankings -- and that is the problem.As for pay-to-play for a National Title, I agree that as long as NPL and ECNL, and anyone else, are not playing in a unified tournament, you will always have an asterisk by your name. BTW, ECNL is equally flawed because of the assumption that families will always gravitate toward ECNL clubs and the judgement of those coaches on who is worthy is without fault. The fact is that teams like 1776, NEFC, Oakwood and the Wildcats all prove that assumption is flawed.
Thanks for the back and forth 11:55, you won't get an argument out of me supporting GS - I'm supporting the teams that play in those events and to say their accomplishments are flawed because of the tool well that I don't buy and we can go back and forth on this. PS. the tool should not impact the rankings in any way i agree - the tool is for scheduling and many other things it makes easier. I think they got greedy $$$ when they saw how much people love their rankings. now back to our scheduled trash a team posts, what's our flavor today PAC, 1776, NJCSA, Wildcats, PF, CFC Delco, MF, PDA, Boca, SJEB/NJ Rush
12:19, its obvious, NJ CRUSH!
I personally am against the GS points collector teams for this age and up. Look Girls DA is approaching shortly and if you compare the boys side can you say all those boys MLS academy teams are inferior than the top 10 GS teams NO. GS is great for U12 and under, it's like keeping track of the little world series of baseball but as they get older it's a none factor as many of your better players will eventually flock to clubs that will showcase your dd for college recruiting. Feel free to go look at the Top 2 GS teams at U17/U18 in NY/NJ and I bet it's less than 10% of those girls moving on to play college.
@11;11Sorry your team didn't get accepted at Delco
Boca won't get out of their bracket at DelcoOh wait...they're not playing there
Disney showcase is a joke!!!!Plus I doubt our team will be accepted...:)
boca is playing top bracket at EDP cup this weekend. They are playing some decent teams, then finals could include NYSC, Calvert, pwsi. all great teams in their states and country. I commend Boca for playing top bracket with 4 brackets for U14. boca considered delco but backed out, why drive so far when local action is this good. Teams are coming to NJ from MD, NY, VA. why go to them? Smart of Boca, NJCSA and Barons to luckily slip in top bracket.
Serious question - how much will team performance at Delco and PDA be affected by the team movement that has already been decided. Will there be players who aren't rostered b/c they'll be switching teams? How common is it for a player to decide to guest play with their new team i/o sticking around to help their old team?
12:40 So you are against teams that play Spirit, WAGS, Bethesda, Disney, Jefferson & Delco?So these teams should play in less tournaments? not these tournaments? Explain so if a team is not at this level they shouldn't play in any tournaments? Teams should use different tools that also have their own ranking system? Explain GS Collecting teams. Should teams not place in the tournaments to avoid collecting GS points? What do these points have to do with anything but acknowledging the teams that accumulated points?yes so if the kids are not going to play college they should stop playing now right. Becasue you and the 99% guy say it a waste of time. The only people on here even bringing up college is you guys.We all know shocase events are where to be and it doesn't matter who wins those events. But the games are still played to win and their will still be a prize for the team that wins regardless of who plays in college on a NT or the NWSL.Geez already. We all know the GS top non academy teams can't touch the MLS academy teams and we know the MLS academy teams can't touch the UEFA academy teams so what's your point?
1:20 -- In most cases, I think girls will guest play with new teams IF their old teams are not playing. In general most girls still bond with their old team and wouldn't switch out before they have completed their commitment simply because of the bonds they have with their teammates. I am sure there are exceptions.
1:20 any girls that plays will play to win. Teams will only bring in new players to guest at Delco (I hope for the below reasons)1. If they always use guest players2. They have injuries3. Players left the team and they are short.I don't see a team not dressing a player for a new player and if they did I would leave in a second regardless of who the players are because that means they are for self and not your kid.
@122 sorry let me restate my comment I believe there is a team for every player to play on. What I mean for GS collector teams are those teams that seem to enter all those tournaments you mentioned plus all state cups, region 1 league, NPL Leagues(NY/EDP), and other GS events etc. Those are fine at the younger ages and exciting to parents and pre-teens but as they get older u15+ the parents that are looking to showcase their child will move on with clubs with less endeavor to chase GS points and that will do the bigger showcases like CASL, Disney, PDA or they just will move to an ECNL team.My point being is the back and forth battle about GS points will become irrelevant in the coming years and to the coaches that chase them now will end up losing out as players/parents will become burned out. GL to all this weekend at EDP or Delco as it will be our last hoorah for many with their current teams.
The GS discussion above leaves out the checks and balances built into GS point accumulation. First, points are only good for one year, then they expire. Second, the better a team does, the harder it is to accumulate points because a team's point total is a factor in how many points it is awarded. The bottom line, the GS system is devised to require a team to keep winning at higher and higher levels in order to keep accumulating points. A team may be on top one season, and unless it betters its results the next year, it will fall back in the rankings the next year. True, this system does favor quantity over quality of play just because the law of averages at the higher levels presumes you can't win them all, so a team must play as much as possible to continue to maintain or acquire points. YSR is more quality based, but does rely on a quantity of performance to establish its ratings.
1:38 I agree with everything you said - truth be told all results are irrelevant at all ages prior to college or WPSL, WUSA, NWSL or Internationally the only time results matter. All these leagues use meaningful games blah blah blah it's just away to set up an "impact", "core" and "roster depth" label for players so they can showcase the players they want. But we all buy into it all. GS is a for fun tool that has your rank plain and simple who doesn't like to see they are number 1 or who doesn't want to win a state/regional/national title regardless of the team pool.2:00 Agree 100%. I do like the YouthSoccer ranking score better - but they need to fix some duplicates and get teams listd in the correct states, once that is done the scores will be even better. But I also love the GS tool, they could do the same thing it they wanted but the way they do it doesn't bither me because as you stated NJCSA Manalapan currently is at 20,000 points so you deduct 4,000 points from any flight value right from the start. If they play in a 10,000 pt flight their max is 6,000 if they win, 3000 if they are a finalist and 1,500 if the flight has more than 8 teams. If they play in non major events where the flight value is 6,ooo their max for winning is only 2,000,
Question for the board...most overrated PA and NJ team...most underrated PA and NJ team?
most overrated:MA - SouthShoreNJ - NJCSAMD - HarfordPA - YMSNY - Atleticomost underrated:CT - OakwoodPA - LVUMD - FC FrederickNY - MassapequaNJ - STA
Massapequa? You have got to be a parent on that team, because only a parent would be brain-washed enough to think that they are underrated, please. Their noble style of play has created a team of 20 defenders, no creativity on the ball, not even the lone striker, who looks like a defender, get out of her with Massapequa, please.
Yeah add massapequa to my list of teams at least you got the state right but long island? that's almost as bad as westchester or staten island. You asked for a list so i gave you a list. So they can't play possession and create, I see they still win and played Storm to a tie, the other team still has to break them down with passes in tight spaces right, quick one touch passing? maybe the teams that can't aren't as good as they think they are? This team knows what it is and plays to it's strength what ever that may be, why should they play to another team's strength? Aren't you as good as the stats say you are 2:53? I see NYCSL NPL East #1 seed - who would have said that at the beginning of the year? I picked them as my sleeper and got flack then as well probably from you. My pick to win it (NYSC) at least made the playoffs so I'm still aliveGS4
11:35Please, that could be a parent of a few dozen teams.
GS4, how is Crush doing these days, you guys ready for Delco?
"Gotsoccer is a joke"YSR has issues as well
NYSC is just bitter they lost to Massapequa for the NPL East crownI wonder if they beat Mass on a hand ball goal.
By the way - of course PDA is a better team but when you call the PDAs and Match Fits of the world, its hard for a team like Manalapan to get a friendly
Crush is the #1 seed in the NYCSL NPL West division and will play NYSC in a semi final game. Of course I have NYSC winning this and playing Massapequa in an all NY final with a trip to Colorado on the line.Okay not sure if it was you but someone has tried to get us talking about Delco - so i will start with my can't miss predictionsmy Final4sChampionshipNJ WILDCATS AVERBUCH-NPL (NJ)WAZA FC EAST 02 BLACK (MI)BRADDOCK ROAD YC 01 ELITE (VA)SOUTH SHORE SELECT U14 ELITE (MA)EliteNJ CRUSH FC TSUNAMI 01 NPL (NJ)BEADLING SC BEADLING ELITE (PAW)HARFORD FC UNITED THUNDER (MD)HMMS EAGLE FC 01 SPIRIT (PAE)PremierSEACOAST UNITED ELITE -CS- 01/02 (NH)MASSAPEQUA NPL LIL' ROWDIES (NYE)MANHATTAN SC G01 PRIDE NPL (NYE)RAMAPO VALLEY SC TORNADOS '02 (NYE)GS4
NJCSA girls should start guesting for Bocca. Bocca is a much better team and play better soccer
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahah (catch my breath) hahahahahahahahahahahaha....Boca plays horrible soccer. Please, stop it already.
My EDP CUP PLATINUM predictionsFinalSJEB '01G NPL (NJ) SOUTH CENTRAL PREMIER SPIRIT (CT) 3rd placeNJCSA ELITE (NJ) NEW YORK SC G01 (NYE)
3rd place game at EDP Cup is a nice touchI have NYSC in the finalI'll go with you on their opponent being S Central CT
1: NEW YORK SC NPL-01 (NYE) 7 5 2 0 17 3 17 2: QUICKSTRIKE FC NPL-01 (NYE) 7 5 1 1 16 5 16 3: MASSAPEQUA NPL-01 (NYE) 7 5 0 2 19 8 15 4: MANHATTAN SC NPL-01 (NYE) 7 3 3 1 12 5 12 5: ISA NPL-01 (NYE) 7 2 2 3 10 10 8 6: BRENTWOOD SC NPL-01 (NYE) 7 0 0 7 4 24 0Oh look, Massapequa is actually 3rd for the spring season, strange no? Oh my God, how did that happen?
Ok haters, start your engines! GS4 is almost correct. But not quite. Here is what really will go down:PA Classics, bitter and hating after their loss to 1776 in the state cup will amaze all by squeaking through Bracket A just above the Ohio team. The Wildcats will be second in the bracket, but this ain't horseshoes.BRYC, will stomp through what's left of the Legacy and Albertson, and LVU, though underrated, will have a very tough time in what is definitely the bracket of death.Yardley will wilt and Cleveland will be taking an early and long road home. SSS will feel over confident but will succumb to 1776 1-0 ( the same score they beat 76 in the Champions League playoffs). (c'mon 76 hater, that's your cue!)Not sure how they will compute the wildcards, but I am thinking 76 beat BRYC in the final. Bring on the hate!
&;%2 yeah that's for GS points which we all just talked about -how pointless they are. You see people killed EDP who did it right this time their fall season is actually different than their Spring season -two separate seasons.Now we all know NYCSL NPL is a straight through league fall and Sping count as one but what NYCSL NPL does for it's teams is split their season into two to give their teams double the points. So when people kill GS - it's not the tool it's the people that play the system that are to blame.NorthEast Girls NPL is a straight through league that get points just once, so all those NYCSL NPL teams have the bloated GS points can't blame EDP this time. NYCSL NPL Fall 2015http://home.gotsoccer.com/rankings/event.aspx?EventID=46997 (6,300 points)NYCSL NPL Spring 2016http://home.gotsoccer.com/rankings/event.aspx?EventID=48915 (8,500 points)Oh look the league made up 2,200 points some people just now how to cheat the system but GS has the black eye and GS made the NYCSL NPL do this right.The great thing about Massapequa is that they finished in 2nd and 3rd but yet 1st overall.
7:52 not &;%2 my keyboard stinks
YouthSoccer Rankings the vegas of youth soccer calls it like this with it's "Predictive Power".Bracket A34.99 TOTAL FA TFA ELITE 01 (OS) 34.82 WAZA FC EAST 02 BLACK (MI)34.71 NJ WILDCATS AVERBUCH-NPL (NJ) 33.24 PA CLASSICS ACADEMY (PAE)Bracket B35.53 BRADDOCK ROAD YC 01 ELITE (VA)34.96 PENN LEGACY 01 BLACK F14 (PAE) 34.49 LEHIGH VALLEY UNITED 01 GIRLS (PAE) 33.96 ALBERTSON SC FURY '01 ECNL (NYE) Bracket C34.28 1776 UNITED FC XTREME (PAE)34.23 SOUTH SHORE SELECT U14 ELITE (MA) 33.83 CLEVELAND FC 01-02 ROYAL (ON) 33.28 YARDLEY MAKEFIELD SOCCER BANSHEES (PAE) GS calls it this way:Bracket A#12 TOTAL FA TFA ELITE 01 (OS) #15 NJ WILDCATS AVERBUCH-NPL (NJ) #40 PA CLASSICS ACADEMY (PAE)#76 WAZA FC EAST 02 BLACK (MI)Bracket B#18 LEHIGH VALLEY UNITED 01 GIRLS (PAE) #20 BRADDOCK ROAD YC 01 ELITE (VA)#47 ALBERTSON SC FURY '01 ECNL (NYE) #49 PENN LEGACY 01 BLACK F14 (PAE) Bracket C#2 SOUTH SHORE SELECT U14 ELITE (MA) #17 1776 UNITED FC XTREME (PAE)#36 YARDLEY MAKEFIELD SOCCER BANSHEES (PAE)#286 CLEVELAND FC 01-02 ROYAL (ON)
EDP CUP PLATINUMYouth Soccer RankingsGroup A32.97 SOUTH CENTRAL PREMIER SPIRIT (CT)32.74 HULMEVILLE SC DYNAMO (PAE) 32.68 JERSEY SHORE BOCA JR FC FUSION (NJ) 32.65 NJCSA ELITE MANALAPAN (NJ) Group B33.15 NEW YORK SC G01 (NYE) 32.77 SJEB '01G NPL (NJ) 32.88 CALVERT ELITE CESC '02 (MD) 32.96 PWSI COURAGE 01G RED (VA) GS calls it this wayGroup A#5 NJCSA ELITE MANALAPAN (NJ) #58 HULMEVILLE SC DYNAMO (PAE) #59 SOUTH CENTRAL PREMIER SPIRIT (CT)#98 JERSEY SHORE BOCA JR FC FUSION (NJ) Group B#11 SJEB '01G NPL (NJ) #55 NEW YORK SC G01 (NYE) #137 PWSI COURAGE 01G RED (VA) #222 CALVERT ELITE CESC '02 (MD) A poster said great tournament close to home.I would say an even tournament in regards to level of play with max GS points.Delco teams stronger by 1.51 goals.34.36 Delco Tournament32.85 EDP Cup
PDA ECNL Showcase and their Youth Soccer Ranking score no playoffs just 3 gamesGroup A36.37 East Meadow ECNL35.99 FC Virginia ECNL35.63 PDA ECNL35.43 Ohio Elite Soccer ECNLGroup B34.77 FSA FC - ECNL34.67 FC Boston ECNL34.63 Maryland United FC ECNL33.96 World Class ECNLGroup C 35.19 FC Stars - ECNL35.23 Match Fit Academy ECNL 34.50 Connecticut FC ECNL34.30 Bethesda SC - ECNLTournament YouthSoccer ranking scores35.05 PDA Showcase34.36 Delco Players32.85 EDP CupSo for the people that killed Delco the Youth Soccer score has it -0.69 goals vs PDA Showcase not to bad. Not as big agap as many thought I'm sureGS4
Delco Teams vs ECNL teams14 W6 T16 L45 GF52 GASOUTH SHORE SELECT U14 ELITE6:2 FC STARS OF MASS ECNL (MA)2:0 WORLD CLASS FC '01 ECNL (NYE)3:1 MATCH FIT ACADEMY FC ECNL (NJ)2:3 FSA FC U14 GIRLS ECNL 01 (CT)BRADDOCK ROAD YC 01 ELITE4:0 CASL 01 ECNL (NC)1:2 PDA STORM ECNL (NJ)2:0 MATCH FIT ACADEMY FC ECNL U14 (NJ)0:1 FC VIRGINIA ECNL 01 (VA)1:0 CASL 01 CASL ECNL (NC)1:0 BETHESDA SC ACADEMY 2001 BLUE (MD) 2:0 MCLEAN YOUTH SOCCER U14ECNL (VA)0:0 BETHESDA SC ACADEMY 2001 BLUE (MD) TOTAL FA TFA ELITE 011:0 OHIO ELITE ECNL (OS)LEHIGH VALLEY UNITED 01 GIRLS0:2 CAROLINA ELITE SA 01G ECNL (SC)1:0 MARYLAND UNITED FC 01 PRE-ECNL (MD)2:0 PDA STORM ECNL (NJ)YARDLEY MAKEFIELD SOCCER YMS BANSHEES1:1 MARYLAND UNITED FC 01 PRE-ECNL (MD)2:1 ALBERTSON FURY '01 ECNL (NYE)NJ WILDCATS AVERBUCH-NPL0:5 PENN FUSION SA '01G ECNL (PAE)0:4 FC VIRGINIA ECNL U14 (VA)1:1 EAST MEADOW ECNL HOTSHOTZ (NYE)1:3 PENN FUSION SA '01G ECNL (PAE)1:0 BETHESDA SC EXPRESS ECNL 01 (MD)3:2 ALBERTSON FURY '01 ECNL (NYE)1776 UNITED FC XTREME0:2 MARYLAND UNITED FC 01-ECNL (MD)0:1 BETHESDA SC ECNL EXPRESS (MD)3:3 WORLD CLASS FC '01 ECNL (NYE)PA CLASSICS ACADEMY 012:2 RICHMOND UNITED ECNL U14 (VA)1:2 ALBERTSON FURY U14 ECNL (NYE)0:3 CASL 01 CASL ECNL (NC)PENN LEGACY 01 BLACK F140:4 EAST MEADOW ECNL HOTSHOTZ (NYE)0:1 FC VIRGINIA ECNL U14 (VA)1:2 BOSTON BREAKERS ACADEMY GU14 ECNL (MA)WAZA FC EAST 02 BLACK0:1 OHIO PREMIER OP ECNL (OS)CLEVELAND FC 01-02 ROYAL0:0 ALBERTSON FURY '01 ECNL (NYE)1:3 MATCH FIT ACADEMY FC ECNL U14 (NJ)
McLean Youth Soccer - hold your head in shame! We know of several girls on the 01 ECNL team that were notified by a generic rejection email that they were cut. The coaches did not even have the decency to talk to the girls beforehand.What makes it even worse is that the rejection email did not go to the parents......it went to the girls email accounts the Monday they were doing SOLs.Outright disgusting - McLeans ECNL team sucks and is not competitive and I truly hope they reap what they sow (my daughter is not on that team but we know several girls who are).Absolutely disgusting and speaks volumes about that club and its coaches.
Well, if they suck you have to appreciate that they are at least trying to get better
10:48 nothing to appreciate I agree with 10:39 down right disgusting. We know these clubs are trying to get better that's why they hold tryouts in with the new out with the old. But to treat a kid you coached for at least a year that way is a black eye to McLean. You see this is where boards like this come in handy. I only wish more VA posters could read and spread the word of how shitty a club that is. Yes the coach is an extension of the club.GS4
@8:01pm love it!!!1776 mom won't make it past the first game!!! She'll be dragged off the field kicking and screaming because her daughter will succumb to her own dirty foul play
Unfortunately, it is the way of youth soccer and ECNL teams are the worst. I think what is hard for parents to take is the cloak of creating a fake family type atmosphere when all the while parents and coaches are cut throat. Parents should understand that coaches do not have your daughters best interest at heart no matter what they say. if you don't understand that going in then you will fall prey to their double talk. and you do not owe a coach or a club anything. Soccer Nut
Soccer Nut -- I agree, but I am not angry about it. It is all in your attitude. When you graduate from town team soccer to NPL or ECNL, your daughter is now managing her own soccer career. All the girls playing these clubs are competitive and trying to be the best. They aren't there for social reasons -- that is secondary. That is why the quality of play is so good, but it is also a bit cut throat. But that also means that you don't have to take a coach's word on your abilities as the final word. I tell my daughter that that coach is managing a team and he is making decisions that he think will help him win. He is not looking to help each girl be the best she can be. It is totally subjective and he is only looking at the girls in relation to his team -- not in relation to that entire age group across all clubs. It is up to the parents and the girl to take a larger view of the world. They need to always keep their eye out for the best options. Once your daughter takes ownership over her soccer career, she will have much more confidence.
Well said!Soccer Nut
8:39 - I am an ECNL parent, and you win "post of the month" as far as I am concerned.
I agree soccer nut and unfortunately most learn the hard way.
9:07 I like 8:39's post also but that's not the issue to me. It sounds like no feed back was given that is what bothers me"We know of several girls on the 01 ECNL team that were notified by a generic rejection email that they were cut. The coaches did not even have the decency to talk to the girls beforehand."What ownership can a player take of this besides being blindsided. What does any of this have to do with graduating from town team to NPL or ECNL? This has everything to do with being upfront with your players!GS4
PS. How can anyone stick up for a club that does this? Like put the blame back on the kids and the parents well you should have know better you should have seen the writing on the wall. I'm guessing they payed over 2k - I guess it's true most of our kids are nothing but $$.
You assume fairness and decency GS4. But that is not how it works. If you impose your own beliefs then you will no doubt be disappointed when coaches and clubs play by there own rules. Soccer Nut
Good posts people. Here's a business comparison during a yearly evaluation period:If an issue is brought up that is a surprise to the employee, then the manager is doing a poor job. Issues should be dealt with throughout the year when they occur.Back to these players receiving emails...are they really surprised to get cut or is about the email instead of a personal conversation? As we all know, people very often hide behind texts and emails.If player is surprised of cut, then coach SUCKS
I'm surprised by McLean's treatment of their players. McLean like other ECNL clubs is very up front that players aren't guaranteed a spot year to year but that doesn't mean you shouldn't give a player a heads up, or that you shouldn't have the decency to give them the news face-to-face instead of a generic email. The head of the girls program has a good reputation but apparently the 01 coach hasn't learned how the handle the personal aspect of coaching. Although judging by the team's results and the games I saw, he really hasn't learned the coaching aspect of coaching either. I can only assume that McLean thinks the demoted girls can still make the B team since tryouts are still going on so the girls aren't being harmed. I agree with the comments that a player and her parents should have some idea where they stand, but a coach should also let a player know before tryouts that they may not have a spot. That's especially true at McLean as they have had birth year practices for several months now so the club should have had a good idea which players might lose a roster spot with the changes. To the McLean parent, you should also post your message on DCUrbanMoms Sports and Fitness forum as that gets a lot of attention DC area soccer.
I agree great posts9:32 coach is an extension of the club - the club sucks if the coach sucks they the club should know who their employees are and is paying them to represent the brand. For me it's not the cut that's business when you get in bed with a premier club - it's the being cold that gets me. Anyway i'm going back to results, last night I compared the Delco f1 teams to ECNL teams for the Delco sucks poster. Now i will do a reverse and compare the PDA showcase teams to the delco f1 teams head 2 head results. Not much of a difference. But i heard all these teams play like massapequa and play all 18 in the box while the ECNL teams weren't a full strength for what ever the reason PDA Showcase teams vs Delco F1 teams10 W4 T9 L31 GF29 GAFC STARS OF MASS ECNL (MA)2:6 SOUTH SHORE SELECT U14 ELITEWORLD CLASS FC '01 ECNL (NYE)0:2 SOUTH SHORE SELECT U14 ELITE3:3 1776 UNITED FC XTREMEMATCH FIT ACADEMY FC ECNL (NJ)1:3 SOUTH SHORE SELECT U14 ELITE0:2 BRADDOCK ROAD YC 01 ELITE3;1 CLEVELAND FC 01-02 ROYALFSA FC U14 GIRLS ECNL 01 (CT)3:2 SOUTH SHORE SELECT U14 ELITEFC VIRGINIA ECNL 01 (VA)1:0 BRADDOCK ROAD YC 01 ELITE4:0 NJ WILDCATS AVERBUCH-NPL1:0 PENN LEGACY 01 BLACK F14PDA STORM ECNL (NJ)2:1 BRADDOCK ROAD YC 01 ELITE0:2 LEHIGH VALLEY UNITED 01 GIRLSBETHESDA SC EXPRESS ECNL 01 (MD0:1 BRADDOCK ROAD YC 01 ELITE0:0 BRADDOCK ROAD YC 01 ELITE0:1 NJ WILDCATS AVERBUCH-NPL1:0 1776 UNITED FC XTREMEOHIO ELITE ECNL (OS)0:1 TOTAL FA TFA ELITE 01MARYLAND UNITED FC 01 PRE-ECNL (MD)0:1 LEHIGH VALLEY UNITED 01 GIRLS1:1 YARDLEY MAKEFIELD SOCCER YMS BANSHEES2:0 1776 UNITED FC XTREMEEAST MEADOW ECNL HOTSHOTZ (NYE)1:1 NJ WILDCATS AVERBUCH-NPL4:0 PENN LEGACY 01 BLACK F14BOSTON BREAKERS ACADEMY GU14 ECNL (MA)2:1 PENN LEGACY 01 BLACK F14
So, GS4 - what is the recommended protocol for notifying a player that she has not made the top team?
I think my ability to empathize has been knocked out of whack by so many years of ECNL. Our club also did cuts via email (technically the email was an invitation to the B team, but that's the same thing), and I didn't think anything of it. That's just the way this coach rolls. Other coaches I'd be surprised to just receive an email, but for this coach it seemed appropriate.So part of me thinks some of the cut girls should have received a phone call instead. But I also remember in my youth coaches reading off a list of names at the last tryout ("The following players should report to our first practice next Tuesday...") or there being a list of who made the team for school sports. That very public humiliation seems much worse than receiving an email, and we all lived to tell the tale.
I think a phone call is the way to go. It requires the coach to man-up, and possibly deal with tears and angry parents -- something they don't like to do. But, in my mind, that comes with the territory of being a coach.
12:01 recommended? How about Mia it was great working with you this past year(s) - sad to say I no longer see you as a fit for this team, with tryout season on the horizon you may want to look for another team. What's so hard about doing this? It straight forward no gray just black and white. No reason for anyone to be upset as we all know cuts happen. In that post to find out after tryouts via an email is flat out wrong after you take the players money and then kick them to the curb like that. to me the club is nothing after something like that and this was an ECNL team the so called Academy of girls. Is this how it happens at the top?12:12 I think any girl should be told before regardless - going down to the B team or on the outs since when do we take away choice from the equation? The club will always field a team these players had their options cut in half if not taken away from them and that is flat out wrong.But yet most people on this board don't give a rats ass because it's not their kid so it must be okay that's how we roll right.
"But yet most people on this board don't give a rats ass because it's not their kid so it must be okay that's how we roll right."This is from real life experience, right? Because I don't see any posts suggesting they don't give a rat's ass. It's been a pretty thoughtful discussion.
Our daughter plays on a top NPL Team, regularly in Flight 1 of major tournaments, at a non-ECNL Club.All of our teams players dress and play every game and in 3 years with this team I have not seen any player cut, much less cut without personal notice from coach.A few players have left on their own over those years because they were not happy, ususally with their role(not starting or sharing time,etc), while 1 left for an ECNL Team where I understand she now plays about 10 minutes per half on average(that is when she is picked to roster).It is definitely NOT all the same on all these ECNL and NPL Teams. Please just speak to your own experience with the teams and clubs your daughter has played for.
12:57 here. Also our parents look forward to going away to tournaments where the team and parents make a reservation and all go to the same restaurant between games and/or after games for a bite/beer/drink/dinner and many hang out together in the evening in smaller groups that they are friendly with, but not cut throat at all.
US Training Center - you find out you're cut when someone you know gets the latest invite and tells you your name is not there.
12:56 Why would you say that? My post is about the VA club and if you read this board you know why i said don't give a rats ass has nothing to do with this conversation.But to answer your question not real life by kid will be playing for the same club going on year 4. 12:57 & 1:03 I am talking about the post made about the VA club and those kids. I'm happy your team is close so good strong friendships have been made no doubt.
Yes many friendships and many good memories made with our team and still being made.Don't believe everything you read on here. You can play and train at a high level and play regularly, and the experience can be enjoyable and memorable for both player and parents.While there are always ups and downs with every team, I am so happy that our family has not had to deal with some of the nonsense I read about other children and their families enduring.
I agree, in fact I am real close to some of the other parents on our team, we attend swinger conventions often.
1:40 - laughing out loud. That was funny!
Guys RCL no more - it's ERL nowUS Youth Soccer Region I Eastern Regional League (ERL)Region I proudly announces the Region I Eastern Regional League. The ERL replaces the Region I Champions League.There’s more than just a name change. The ERL adjusts the age groups in accordance with the USSF mandate. The league plans to introduce additional changes in the coming weeksElite – ERL top flight; teams playing at this level can expect region-wide play. The Elite Division of the Eastern Regional League is for the top teams throughout the Region in the U-13 through U-19 age groups for both girls and boys. The competition is designed to allow the very best teams in Region I to play each other in a league format.Expected 2016-2017 TimelineSeptember 2016– Application Open
1:58's post not surprising as US soccer moves to strengthen their position via vis ECNL in their battle for control of the top of the pyramid.1:57, 1:23 and 1:58 expect more attacks and deflection like that from 1:40.Those who are benefiting from the status quo are desperate to keep you believing you have no choice but to sit still for their chicanery if you want your daughter to play in college.
12:56 read 1:40 & 1:55 and ask me again why I said most people on this board don't give a rat ass unless it's their kid?But to change the topic. For all the youth soccer guruswould a team that plays approx 30 games not counting Championship events attract players from an hour away?~ 4 games State NCS >>>>>>>>>>Region1 Championships~ 7 games USYSA National League>>USYSA National Championships~ 7 games Region1 - ERL >>>>>>>Region1 Championships & NL QualifierPlus Four tournaments1. CASL Girls College Showcase (December)2: Disney's Girls Soccer Showcase (December)3. Jefferson Cup - Girls (March)4. PDA Girls College Showcase (May)
3:17 here you can sub out ERL with NPL, NCS with US Club State Cups & USYSA National Championships with US Club National Cup
No reason why not. You will get plenty of exposure with that team. As long as your child has a fair chance to earn good time in that teams player pool it is a viable option for a strong player with eyes on the college level.
Chicanery, hahaha. Dear Lord, that word is almost as old as you, almost.
Continue to deflect from the points made with your personal attacks. It has worked up until now right? Fact is the ground is shifting and you are powerless to stop the coming changes. Your Golden Goose will soon be cooked.
Wow, I am not following any of these comments. Can try to apply some complete sentences and punctuation? I am no nazi -- just confused!
3:47, or whatever your name is, I am not deflecting anything, I am just making fun of your vocabulary. Your tiresome and boring post was only surpassed by your use of a word not used since 1910, sorry 1810.
Attacking the messenger individually is always a sign of ignorance.
MF coaches SUCK and continue to SUCK
You saw what happened to the Persian messenger in the movie 300....THIS IS SPARTA!!!!
My gift the ECNL parents even though GS means nothing to bad PDA Tournaments don't give GS points ECNL teams would be at the top of their states but I know GS is to blame for not being accurate.GS4 Projections as of today -these will be recalculated the day that GS manually creates the event.ECNL 2015/2016 Conference Standings8/1/2015 - 6/7/2016Flight Ranking Value: 6267 5,173 (100%) MATCH FIT ACADEMY ECNL U142,319 (75%) PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY STORM2,141 (60%) PENN FUSION SA '01G ECNL2,344 (45%) WORLD CLASS FC '01 ECNL1,161 (30%) CONTINENTAL FC DELCO ECNL '010 (0%) FC BUCKS ESPRIT ECNLFlight Ranking Value: 8000 5,622 (100%) EAST MEADOW HOTSHOTZ4,199 (75%) FC STARS OF MASS ECNL3,038 (60%) FC BOSTON SCORPIONS GU14 ECNL2,278 (45%) ALBERTSON SC FURY '01 ECNL2,088 (30%) FSA FC U14 GIRLS ECNL 010 (0%) CFC CONNECTICUT FC ECNL U14Adjusted GS points (approx national rank)** Combined PDA and EM multiple accounts23,144 (#5) PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY STORM21,721 (#9) EAST MEADOW HOTSHOTZ17,723 (#21) FC BOSTON SCORPIONS GU14 ECNL16,967 (#29) ALBERTSON SC FURY '01 ECNL16,205 (#30) FC STARS OF MASS ECNL15633 (#37) PENN FUSION SA '01G ECNL13153 (#57) CONTINENTAL FC DELCO ECNL '0110642 (#87) MATCH FIT ACADEMY ECNL U147639 WORLD CLASS FC '01 ECNL7,287 FSA FC U14 GIRLS ECNL 018,619 CFC CONNECTICUT FC ECNL U1420 FC BUCKS ESPRIT ECNL
Good number crunching!
stay away from TSF! They are so dishonest with players and parents and if you question them, they throw you out of the club. They don't care about player development, only lining their pockets and they'll say anything to do it!
stay away from [enter any team name here]! They are so dishonest with players and parents and if you question them, they throw you out of the club. They don't care about player development, only lining their pockets and they'll say anything to do it!FTFY
@951. I disagree. Most clubs are not that way. Most clubs try hard. Maybe they aren't the best but most try to train your players and those players have fun playing. Then there are some clubs. Who are looking for the money only. And your players success is only important to their rep not your daughters future Problem is you need to figure out which one it is. And sometimes. You should listen to a critique on this board bc it may be correct.
And sometimes you should ignore the critique because it is coming from someone with an axe to grind.
Disregard the TSF postWithout details these rants men nothing at allAlways a good effort put forth by their outfit. But I will say I'd like to see more teams that have NO RIFT between supposed first and second teamers - where the playing time is doled out more equally.
sorry, playing time is "earned" at this level. equal time is mosa or rec. At the end of a game the players who are the sweatiest, bloodiest, bruised, bleeding are the ones who play the most.
Agree but hard to get bloodied sweaty and bruised if you're riding the pine for 90% of a game. Let's not pretend favoritism doesn't exist. Been on both ends of it. Unfortunately soccer isn't objective like track or swimming.
There are a couple of girls on my kids NPL team that are going to play ECNL this fall. All I have to say is, good luck with that, because if you think they were lacking minutes with us, just wait until you get a load of your team, sorry.Even if they were NT quality, which they are not, coming to a new club and expecting major minutes is moronic.
You want details about TSF's dishonesty. I have plenty, They say our players are so skilled. They get the beat training from our professional coaches. Our results suck but results don't tell the whole story. We charge the most fees of all the clubs for a reason. Every player will get their chance as long as our owner considers your parent to be a VIP customer. We'll mess with good players heads so they're convinced that they were never a good player to begin with then we'll play this player because we'll get a lot of business out of her daddy. TSF is not a professional soccer organization. They are a step above daddy ball and they try to justify their huge fees by lying to parents to cover up their money making scheme.
2:59 You can say the same about PDA,MFA and all the rest.
12:46There are no cripples on any of these top teams. Fine players are sent away from tryouts.There shouldn't be anyone getting 5-10 minutes per half unless it is for conditioning or disciplinary reasons.
You have said NOTHING, 2:59
you lost my business TSF as well as many others! Keep giving your ridiculous sales pitch to parents. Some buy it at first but then they will see
MF famous giving players 5-10 minutes or less a half.
The problem is not got soccer the problem is the tournaments. You had really strong teams in f2 3 4 at jeff cup. Why not make a 32 team bracket. This is how it works out west. Its much harder to get points. But any coach that asks to be in a lower division is doing a disservice to their players. You should want to see what better competition looks like. Check out surf cup. Vegas mlk cup among others.
7:26 not sure I am a fan of 5 games in 3 days. As crazy as this sounds i do like the 1 a day events.But to build or your suggestion. I think GS should set up their events in a different way. Teams will play tournaments regardless of the points they all look for quality. So my suggestion would be for them to create a pyramid for the "Major" events. For Example MLK, Jefferson, Delco, Surf, Spirit, EDP Cup, Stars, WAGS, Bethesda, Disney and a few others from parts of the country I'm not familiar with would be the major events. These events would be over 3 days with 32 team top flight to qualify as a major with max points for the teams that place. All other events would offer a fraction of the points and be used as qualifiers for these Major events. These games will become meaningful for the events and for GS as the tool of choice. You don't use GS that's cool but you get zero points and zero points for all leagues. ECNL clubs have their showcase events so they don't care anyway everyone else has qualifiers for the smaller teams trying to get into F1 of a major and for the teams that place in majors their points can be used for automatic spots or if they fall short of a threshold then they need to play in a qualifier. That would make chasing a good thing because you need the points to be accepted to a higher qualifier for a chance at a major where all the college scouts would be waiting (if you build it they will come to see quality)This doesn't get in the way of development because you can put limits on the number of events used for qualifying this would fall in line with the USSF for not overplaying and you would be playing meaningful games the term everybody loves to use these days (DA, ECNL, NPL, ERL, NL).GS4
why can't Match Fit hold on to their USNT players? this past year alone will be 3 players, over 5 years is 6-8 players. Any input?
12:38 The players left because they could and it was their choice to leave.
Is that true only 6 kids stayed at mfa?
yes...only 6 kids stayed..in the entire club. You people are ridiculous! Again, people should post fact not fiction. Those with an axe to grind should bow out gracefully and not post bs because their egos were bruised. Coaches and kids leave, get cut and new ones come in. It's the nature of the BUSINESS.Get over it and move along.
my daughter is u14, however my son was at a U11 tryout last night. My stomach was hurting watching this scenario. U11 pdashore girls team with 16 players. so yes, 7 players on the bench 9v9. Really? Is that what these players want? I know obviously the parents want PDA on the kids shirt, but how are they learning at 10 years old riding bench like that. That is crazy. I felt so bad for the girls and so bad for the parents that bought into that. No way you should have more than 14/15 tops on 9v9, right? That is certainly a crux to the issue.
If the BUSINESS was really player development, clubs wouldn't have huge rosters on their teams and then play the same starters every game and give the rest 5-10 min. If players and coaches were treated with respect why would they leave your successful business. Maybe your business plan has flaws.
This is strange, but it looks like Boca has lost it's mind. They have gone from the group of hope this weekend, to the group of death.Why Boca, why the madness?
Business plan very flawed, starts with lies, lies, lies, then more lies. wonder why people leave.
To be fair, most players get better through practice, not games.
Okay 7:09 let's be fair would you pay over 2k for less than 20 games played the entire season and in those 20 games your kid plays 20 minutes but you get 2 practice sessions a week in the Spring and Fall?Be straight up - your kid - you would be happy with this right?
7.09Great example of the lies coaches tell parents while doing damage to kids mental health and self esteem. Man up! Parents appreciate candor but you want their business. Big conflict of interest.
PDA and Matchfit have similar issues.Both are playing well but are always in close games because of trouble finishing.When in a close game the starters tend to stay in longer,lets face it they need to win to get the big numbers at try outs.With a 2 or 3 goal lead everyone would get there playing time.Kids leave these teams because the parents cant handle that Mia is no longer scoring every goal so they blame the coach.The best thing PDA did was move the Nat player to the back.She is very good back there and less gime,gime like she was on MF.I hope the coaches have been working on scoring at practice,Am i the only one that sees a problem when PDA ties CFC and MF wins 1 0 ,but FC Virgina wins 10 1. Do you play the kids equal time in a show case? Good luck to you both this weekend
LOL 7:09TSF told me that. Do you think your DOC would ever think it was OK if his children didn't receive plenty of play time in games?
Look, all. For whatever reason TSF had a crappy spring season. I saw them play at the Jeff Cup and I thought they were not very strong in connecting passes. So how do you fix it? New blood. Who gets cut? Thats's where the problem is. It is all up to the coach's judgment and, yes, in many cases that judgment is deeply flawed. Should the players on the bench get a chance and should you get rid of the starters? If this was the US men's national team, that might be an option as those are older players at the end of their run at that level, but that isn't how elite youth soccer team works. Please refer to:May 12, 2016 at 9:23 PMThey stuff new talent into the top of the funnel, and those who they perceive to be lower in the funnel (rightly or, in many cases, wrongly) get pushed out. Do they lie? Yes, sort of. They want to maintain the revenue and enough good players to field a lot of winning teams at a lot of levels. They say you can move up but you can't. You can only move down at this age. That is not because you are getting worse. It is because DOCs believe that whoever is new and shiny -- whatever they have't "seen" -- is better than what they have already passed judgment on. Their hubris is their total and complete belief in their past judgement.So what do you do? You go to a new club where YOU are the new and shiny. New Flash! Not all coaches think alike! Some coaches don't need [insert position(s)] and some do! Some coaches see your daughter as untapped excellence while others simply obsess on one perceived flaw. So TSF coaches are trash. Ok that's fine. But getting so mad at them gives them too much credit. Find a new team! Take control of your soccer career! Your daughter is no longer playing at the town team level where its all about fair play time and loyalty. Congrats! She is actually an elite player that is simply looking for the right team! For her sake, look to the future and stop bitching about the past!
@112 and @201Yes, new players come and others go, BUT, there was a mass exodus because MF only provided one practice session a week for a while. There was a host of other issues as well, but paying over 3k and barely practicing is a waste of everyone's time.PDA and WC don't lose that many players a seasoneven TSF doesn't lose that many!
11:10 Mass exodus (7-8 2002 players) because the fired coach promised a bill of goods to the girls he took to MF. Can't blame them for listening. Again, MF's rosters are full and saying no team loses that many, again is plain stupid. One year's kids left and they were all replaced, where do you think those kids came from? The practice thing is ridiculous. MF is at least 2x a week into practicing into July. No one left because of that reason.Overall your post, 11:10 is full of holes.. probably much like your head.
aren't ECNL teams supposed to train 3 times a week, with at least one training day being a combined session with other age groups?
MF Parent11:42 is completely off target. MF practiced once a week often, too frequent. IN addition, combined practices with 2nd team. No personal attention to players. Why Are you still bitter over the player exit? To far of drive to Denville, we are leaving. we move on, not bitching about next year.dont forget, 2 groups formed this current u14. Players that were brought in by North coach, players brought in by NJX coach. both groups have loyalty to former coaches. yes I am the parent that thanked them on the blog
8:23 I did not feel at all that that there were too many once a week practices. But i can't speak for others, much like others can't speak for me.And I am not bitter at all, who cares who left?All the kids will be happy next year wherever they are. The kids don't care who leaves, they are much more concerned about who stays.Be safe this weekend.
Unless you are one of the 5-10 core players who start and play most of every game then you are a fool to be on a team with a roster of over 18. Plain and simple you are being hustled by your club/coach.
10:08, I agree, but to a point. Hustled is a one-sided opinion of the process, and if your experience was such, I am very sorry. Speaking only from my own observations, its more that there simply aren't that many informed, and/or soccer-savvy parents. I am sure its the same in Baseball, or Hockey. That is where the real problem is, people are taken advantage os, and they are okay with it, until they are not. That is why i like this forum, it gives everyone a voice, that is mostly uncensored, its a good platform. Anyway, good luck in the future, cheers!
Nobody is OK with being hustled or suckered, it just takes awhile to see what's really going on. Some coaches will give you about 10 excuses. Just be patient, she's a good player. Shame on coaches who do this knowing your child will never play. They want the $$$. I think a lot of coaches are muppets being told what to do by management. I spent an entire season wondering why my daughter's team kept losing and the coach wouldn't change the lineup.
Yes it is parents ignorance they play to. They try and convince you that you have to stay and watch your daughter sit because it's all about the letters on the front of the shirt instead of letting you focus on your daughters happiness and Development. You only reach your potential if you are getting game experience and gaining confidence.
PDA wins win everyone plays somewhat equally. Look at Jeff Cup and San Diego Showcase. They temd to lose or tie games when they don't.
That's how it should be. Coaches picked these players, now play them. If you can't trust a player on the field, why is she on the team?
To be fair to the coaches, the talent level at PDA doesn't drop off much from players 5-20something. Not so at other clubs where the drop off is more pronounced
Of the U14s at MF, I believe more than 50% are coming back next year. Around that number, I believe. It's a big change moving to Denville so turnover was expected. Teams will still be good, and in 1-2 years Club will have adjusted fully IMO. The kids leaving because of the distance is understandable. Good kids, good players, good luck!
The MF saga was a foregone conclusion. What happens today is based upon the foundation of yesterday. The foundation of today defines what happens tomorrow.MF today is a result of the two dolts running Jefferson and NJX who did deals with MF. MF was wise to take the deals because they made money and had "insta"-teams to be able to compete. MF then broomed the NJX coach and most of their players were dumped to the tier 2 program. MF diddled with the Jefferson players moving them to and fro aimlessly and without a plan.You can only concoct stories for so long before even the dimmest parent gets a sense that they are being played the fool. And now the players are teens and they too are bright enough to sense the charade.No fault to MF. They are a for-profit business. And profit they did thanks to the dim bulbs who give away their teams; screw their players and then say "who, what, when, duh?" when asked how could you have been so stupid.Today is all about that.Now MF will create their tomorrow for this age group who have about 4 more years of soccer and paying big fees for predominantly kids who are not college material and would be better served on teams where they actually play more then they drive around the state for training and matches.
For the 2002 age group, about 25% of the current players returned. Currently NPL team looking for 6-8 players.For the 2001 age group, about 80 % of the current players returned.
What makes you such a pro? What is your field of study to make you such a pro?You said " predominantly kids who are not college material" the kids are 14 and yet you have determined they are done improving. WOW you must be a coach or someone with mad soccer and education experience, teacher?The problem here from an outsider on this board was a three headed monster. MF thought they could take two top teams then take the top players from each team to make a super team. But unfortunately, it sounds like both coaches want their team to be the "A" team to use their subjective opinions to fill the team. MF had other plans and feelings were hurt from coaches to parents and bam you have all these posts. MF did their part they put a group a very good players together and gave them the ECNL option for them to show what they could do. AND guess what they did they won their division and are going to the FINALS in the BEST league. But people like have made judgments that at 14 it's now or never for something. I'm just calling it like I see it and how it reads.GS4
SPOT ON GS4. Now if only fact would be written rather than fiction, it would be ok. That's not likely to happen as everyone loves the drama and there would be no fodder for this blog.
The earlier poster does not appear to be a teacher nor are they saying anything about a player not improving. The point being made is a good one and shared by many. Parents who are entrusted to manage their teams and players have fallen prey to the academy siren and they and their player have paid the price.
Teacher's get paid to teach our children and are qualified to make such a statement. I am not, I can give comments on the game I love and no way is a 14 year old done. That's flat out wrong.I do agree with 5:00 on many have "fallen prey to the academy siren and they and their player have paid the price."GS4
Yes MF won the division, won't do well at nationals. Play horrible soccer. East meadow has best chance to win it all
East Meadow man, Are you serious about KG and the gang winning it all, no really. They lack toughness, and I don't mean nasty play, they have plenty of that, I mean the kind of spirit that overcomes adversity, no matter the score. They are a bunch of complaining crybabies, I wish them failure!Have a nice weekend folks.
May 26 11:42 PMSo, where DID the new Match Fit players (the '01s for 2016-17) come from?Or is it just a combo of what was left of the U14 '01s and the U15 '01s?Any '02s playing up?Thanks
4:06 No offense, but who are you calling a dolt? You have NO CLUE as to the quality of the teams that are left. ZERO.Maybe the dolt coaches bought into Match Fit, that's on them.The MF coaches that are there are far superior in every way to the coaches that were jettisoned, this is a consensus opinion.I am sure that 9 out of every 10 athletes that goes to college from Match Fit will go to D1, that is why it's expensive, you get what you pay for.If you think these kids are not college material, you are sad, and sadly mistaken.
the NJ bitterness on this blog is getting a bit tiresome. Can we get a two week break from talking about MF?
MF 2002 will finish next to fc Bucks next year
10:36 I doubt it coach.. you couldn't con them all... they'll be better than you think, and much, much better in the long run.
Thanks for calling me coach first time in long time. Brings me back to the early days.Our team will win the national finals, as stated MF is now playing ugly soccer.
MF parent and PF parent, you guys have an issue with either your doc or former coach. You guys or gals need to man up have a convo with your respective person. Hiding behind this blog shows neither of you are true men or women
11:26 Who the fk are you? How do you know that didn't happen?
Fc delco flight 1. Wildcats averbuch 3. Waza east 2
affirmation comes from the inside not from the outside
East Meadow 1FCV 2PDA 4Ohio Elite 0MF 2Bethesda 3
PL over BRYC 2-1. I guess they had a pep in their step today.... What happened?
BRYC felt bad for them.
Forget Delco PDA showcase is where the teams are.
Yeah only ECNL teams are at PDA Showcase closed country club to others.
1:41 how many non-ECNL teams this year compared to last year?What happened to the ECNL b and C teams at this age group? Last year they played and the older b and c teams are playing this year? What'sup with this age group? You have to know the answer this question since you are the supreme poster with all the inside info that knows all the teams. What exactly does that say about the quality of soccer these teams play? That's a black eye to the NorthEast NPL.But going back to Delco all close games in this hear but one. PAC what's up? 4-0 shoes not F1 material. I hope 2nd game is better although NJ Wildcats or the MI team will not be an easy assignment.
Does it matter who's F1 anymore now? The new year with all its changes is here. Good luck to all amidst the new battles. Enjoy some summer first!
Another close one..Nj Wildcats 1PAC 0
Why wouldn't it 3:48? Next season is next season, 6 months away - I don't want fast forward 6 months maybe you do.
Most teams are done for the year after this weekend though and won't be the same come Fall.
PL loses to LVU?
any pep they had didn't last long!
PL felt bad for them.
South Shore should have no problem winning it all.
How is storm doing
Your 1 stop for scores by GS45/28/2016Delco Girls U14 Championship4 TOTAL FA TFA ELITE 01 (OS)0 PA CLASSICS ACADEMY 01 (PAE)3 NJ WILDCATS AVERBUCH-NPL (NJ)2 WAZA FC EAST 02 BLACK (MI)1 WAZA FC EAST 02 BLACK (MI)0 TOTAL FA TFA ELITE 01 (OS) 1 NJ WILDCATS AVERBUCH-NPL (NJ)0 PA CLASSICS ACADEMY 01 (PAE)2 PENN LEGACY 01 BLACK F14 (PAE)1 BRADDOCK ROAD YC 01 ELITE (VA)1 ALBERTSON SC FURY '01 ECNL (NYE)1 LEHIGH VALLEY UNITED LVU 01 GIRLS (PAE)2 LEHIGH VALLEY UNITED LVU 01 GIRLS (PAE)1 PENN LEGACY 01 BLACK F14 (PAE)0 ALBERTSON SC FURY '01 ECNL (NYE)3 BRADDOCK ROAD YC 01 ELITE (VA)2 SOUTH SHORE SELECT U14 ELITE (MA)1 YARDLEY MAKEFIELD SOCCER YMS BANSHEES (PAE)0 1776 UNITED FC XTREME (PAE)0 CLEVELAND FUTBOL CLEVELAND FC 01-02 ROYAL (ON)0 CLEVELAND FUTBOL CLEVELAND FC 01-02 ROYAL (ON)2 SOUTH SHORE SELECT U14 ELITE (MA)2 1776 UNITED FC XTREME (PAE)2 YARDLEY MAKEFIELD SOCCER YMS BANSHEES (PAE)EDP Cup0 PWSI COURAGE 01G RED1 NJCSA ELITE MANALAPAN1 HULMEVILLE SC DYNAMO2 SOUTH CENTRAL PREMIER SPIRIT0 NJCSA ELITE MANALAPAN1 SOUTH CENTRAL PREMIER SPIRIT3 HULMEVILLE SC DYNAMO4 PWSI COURAGE 01G RED 3 JERSEY SHORE BOCA JR FC FUSION2 CALVERT ELITE CESC '020 SJEB '01G NPL5 NEW YORK SC G01 2 CALVERT ELITE CESC '021 NEW YORK SC G01 5 SJEB '01G NPL1 JERSEY SHORE BOCA JR FC FUSIONPDA Showcase4 Maryland United FC - ECNL 142 World Class FC - 01 ECNL 2 FSA FC - ECNL U140 Scorpions SC - FC Boston U14 ECNL3 Bethesda SC - Express 01 ECNL2 Match Fit Academy - ECNL U142 FC Virginia ECNL U-141 East Meadow Hotshotz ECNL4 PDA US Club U14 - Storm - ECNL0 Ohio Elite Soccer Academy - ECNL U143 Connecticut FC - CFC United ECNL U-140 FC Stars - ECNL 01/021 Ohio Elite Soccer Academy - ECNL U147 FC Virginia ECNL U-142 East Meadow Hotshotz ECNL2 PDA US Club U14 - Storm - ECNL1 World Class FC - 01 ECNL4 FSA FC - ECNL U144 FC Stars - ECNL 01/021 Bethesda SC - Express 01 ECNL0 Match Fit Academy - ECNL U140 Connecticut FC - CFC United ECNL U-14 Summary games that a team gave up 3 or more goals3 out of 12 games FC Delco F14 out of 8 games EDP Cup F17 out of 11 games PDA Showcase games that a team gave up 4 or more goals1 out of 12 games FC Delco F13 out of 8 games EDP Cup F15 out of 11 games PDA Showcasegames that a team gave up 5+ or more goals0 out of 12 games FC Delco F12 out of 8 games EDP Cup F11 out of 11 games PDA Showcase
FC Virginia is 2-0 and plays Storm tomorrowStorm is 1-0-1, tying East MeadowEast Meadow with a loss and a tieScorpions lost to FSA
Doesn't mater who wins anymore. It's all about how your daughter did when college coaches are watching.
That is so U13
Playing to WIN this weekend - sorry, 8:42Its a nice atmosphere to have my daughter in - learning to compete, to lead, to set goals and achieveBe well now
Live in the here and now and try to enjoy your kid. Tomorrow will be here soon.enough
Anyone who thinks the results matter in a college showcase has many screws loose.If you think the scores are important, you are a parent of a goalie.Otherwise, you are clueless.
11:56 Are you that silly? All that matter's is that our kids are happy and they get what they want out of soccer enough said!!!This is a youth soccer board talking about u14 girls soccer teams and issues with youth sports -what am I missing?So quick question what does that say about the quality of those ECNL teams if you had so many goals against? And the goalie isn't to blame. Educate me please if the ECNL showcase is about quality attacking players don't they offset that with quality defenders? Seven out of the 11 games had one team giving 3+ goals. Is this what the college coaches are after?
11:56 I forgot I have one more question for you why do they keep score at a showcase event? If the results don't matter and everyone is about showing what they can do individually, why keep score?Oh is it because the teams till plays to win and players get to showcase what they bring to the table to help their team get the result? Really why do they keep scores if they don't matter? Are you saying the results don't matter because the entire roster is playing and if it did matter only the best players would play? I'm not following,because I thought they play the game to win?
PS. I'm watching the Astro game and it's a commercial break so I figured I would post a little.
12:35 Have you ever seen a NHL, NBA, MLB, NFL, or East/West NCAA game? These are showcases... nothing you can say matters. No one cares about the score, just who stood out.
So an "All-Star" game is the same as a youth soccer showcase event between Manlapan and Boca? So the player that stands out gets what exactly if they have an audience with a coach that needs a player at that position?
12:48 I can tell you one person who cares about the score and that's my daughter who's playing. So I made the connection that any player playing a competitive sport always wants to win when they are on the field so the scores matter maybe not you and your kid. No wonder we have so much selfish play in youth soccer lots of parents telling their kids they need to showcase their skills. Maybe not you but it makes sense, just watch a game how many players could have passed to an open player for the score instead of taking a shot, but then they wouldn't be the player that stood out.I guess the scores really don't matter, in my house they do because they matter to my kid
9:19 here I agree 9;17 enjoy the ride and don't stand in the way.
Wildcats tie 2 to 2 vs tfa to win flight 1 bracket at delco. Team showed great heart played 3 games im stifling heat with 1 sub.
IF your daughter want to play fora coach that is impressed with for showboating shots over quality passing, then she should absolutely play that way and try to catch the eye of such a coach.
I think the point is that quality passing leading to goal scoring is valuable when playing soccer. Wasted shots on goal that do not find the back of the net and risk loss of possession are not.
Correct me if I'm wrong youth soccer gurus.But if a coach was interested in an event wouldn't they want to see two teams in a battle for the result and since it's a showcase the bench is not short so every players gets to play in a very competitive game.Or do you think these coaches want to see 'All-Star" games where the result doesn't matter and it's all about the individual skill?To me a showcase just means every player plays at least 50% of the game, the games still has to be super competitive.Anyway some scores from GS42 TOTAL FA TFA ELITE 01 (eliminated)2 NJ WILDCATS AVERBUCH-NPL (A1)1 PA CLASSICS ACADEMY 01 (eliminated)3 WAZA FC EAST 02 BLACK (19 pts current wildcard)1 PENN LEGACY 01 BLACK F14 (eliminated)1 ALBERTSON SC FURY '01 ECNL (eliminated)1 BRADDOCK ROAD YC 01 ELITE (eliminated)2 LEHIGH VALLEY UNITED LVU 01 GIRLS (B1) The SouthShore vs 1776 will determine C1 and possibly the wildcard.No other scores updated.
Wow edp f1 stands tall at delco with lvu and cats both in semifinals
What exactly is meant by a showboating goal. I will tale any kind of goal. They all count the same if you put It in back of the net.
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