Tuesday, January 27, 2015

U13G / U13 Girls Youth Soccer

U13G  / U13 Girls youth soccer seems to offer the most teams and the widest diversity of talent.

Where these players will end up is anyone guess.

Welcome to the ride.

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Anonymous said...

No team list for Manhattan but we do have last year's applied ist

Albertson, NJ Crush, Calvert, FC Stars N, FC Stars W, Match Fit NPL (NJX), NEFC Elite, Long Island Roughriders, NJCSA Galaxy (as NJ Force), NJ Wildcats, Sachem Speed, South Shore Elite, TSF, Manhattan SC, Western United (MA) and Everton FC (CT)

among the 44 entrants (some were playing 9 v 9)

Anonymous said...

10:09 I didn't think PL should have been in the top flight at Jefferson - But overall I think Jefferson did a great job,they weren't going to make every one happy.

Based on the list of applied teams at Delco they were included in my top 6 because I felt they had an edge on the other teams.

I don't know if I agree 10:16. Calvert lost all 3 at Disney to teams that I wouldn't consider top flight teams that got smacked around by Boston. It didn't seem to bother Jefferson Cup. I think Jefferson Cup will go along way in where they would be flighted at PDA if they apply.

From my research, they played PAGS D1 and were champions after winning a playoff - I hate Playoffs!! The funny thing is PA Classics were the regular season champions and I guess runner up after the playoffs but were flighted in 3rd flight at Jefferson, I guess the PAGS d1 title, the PennFusion beat down and Creeks victory went a long way as all other results were on par with other teams

Again just my opinions after looking at the results but as it was pointed out by another poster I am no expert when it comes to youth soccer just a yahoo - PA guy(s) have a better understanding of PAGS. I also love soccer nuts take on things.

Anonymous said...

Yeah, pretty much all there was........

and the Penn Fusion win was a summer game.

Seems Legacy built up a boatload of wins in their summer campaign, Maybe volume worked to their benefit.

Anonymous said...

Penn Fusion was not a "summer game" it was the quarterfinals of Spirit United, I believe the top ranked tournament for u13 girls in the country. But why do you care?

Anonymous said...

10:47

It enables teams to play the league for development, but gives the top 4 teams a chance to play for the real championship. That way winning every game is not important for the coaches or players. Personally I like that but it's just the opposite of what you guys do

Anonymous said...

11:07 I agree it was no summer game. Spirit is a top tournament to get top quality games before teams start their league play. As you can tell I value league games more.

Anonymous said...

11:12 You are correct I value league games more.

So my question is will PL value Region1 Champions league? or is just for development? even though there is a trip to Region1 Championships? In the future I can see the champion being promoted directly to National league will it still be for development? or will you change your opinion then.

Of course PAGS games are from development and Tournaments would be higher - i agree - but not everyone plays is PAGS some leagues offer a National title like SuperY, NPL, ECNL and National League.

EDP is a great league also, just wish they did what NYCSL PL and NEP did, send their better teams to play each other as of now it's now better than PAGS (but it does have better teams in my opinion)

Anonymous said...

EDP is better then PAGS at this age group.

PL will not sign up for the PDA tourney

Spirit is a big tourney but still it is in the Summer, hence a summer tourney .

Anonymous said...

I agree about EDP and PAGS an offer this research.

Two former PAGS D1 teams LVU 01 GIRLS (PAE) & HARFORD FC UNITED THUNDER (MD)
played in EDP but also played some games vs PAGS D1 teams this season at u13.

vs EDP W3, T5, L8, GD -7
VS PAGS W5, T0, L1, GD +5


They both tied STA - but I think that is because they over scheduled, let's see how NJ Wildcats handle busy spring.

The rest of the results don't speak volumes. Although I like NJCSA curious to see how they do at jefferson and this Spring in NPL (assuming they are the team playing NPL) would make a nice subplot for NJ Wildcats (with a busy schedule) playing NJCSA for a trip to INDIANA on the line.

LVU 01 GIRLS (PAE)
NJSCA GALAXY (NJ) 0-2
PIPELINE SC BLACK (MD) 2-3
JERSEY PREMIER SOCCER FLASH (NJ)1-1
MATCH FIT ACADEMY FC BLACK (NJ) 1-0

HARFORD FC UNITED THUNDER (MD)
MATCH FIT ACADEMY FC BLACK (NJ) 1-2
NJSCA GALAXY (NJ) 0-0
JERSEY PREMIER SOCCER FLASH (NJ)1-1
PIPELINE SC BLACK (MD) 3-0

Anonymous said...

EDP and PAGS would both be valued at 9000pts per GS.
1 thru 8 vs 1 thru 8 would likely be 3-3-2 but if it makes you feel good ok EDP is better.

PL will not be at PDA, they have a state cup game and possibly a Reg 1 game that weekend. They are priorities. That should answer your question 11:26. Besides who wants to play the ECNL teams subs?

Spirit is played 2 weeks after the start of the ECNL league games, and 1 wk before FCStars. Also rank #1 girls tournament in the country Ty GS. Not a summer tournament, who are you trying to fool and why?

Anonymous said...

the 5 games wildcats will play in EDL League will also be 5 of their 10 games on edp schedule(6 edl teams are also in edp league) so only 10 games overall for those 2 leagues, then another 5 games for Champions league.
they are only playing 1 tournament this spring jeff cup(last year they played jeff cup plus pda, matchfit and fc delco tournaments so overall probably less games.
Not overly aggressive schedule but alot of upside(3 shots at nationals) so well schedule planned.

Anonymous said...

12;00 you don't get it. You can't say jefferson got it right when they put PL in top flight and then got it wrong when you look at the PAGS placements vs EDP placements. I have an opinion based off the way I interpret the stats.

jefferson cup flights by league

F1
2 EDP (#1, #2)
1 PAGS (#1)

F3
2 EDP (#3, #4)
3 PAGS (#2, #3, #4)

F4
1 PAGS (#5)

F5
2 EDP (#5, #8)

F6
1 PAGS (#6)

F7
1 PAGS (#8)

Anonymous said...

If wildcats dont play in all those tourneys how are they going to get gotsoccer points to stay on top?

1:17 - No you dont get it, no one cares about PA soccer.

Anonymous said...

they will collect all the points from the 10 leagues they are in.

Anonymous said...

1:28 True

10 EDP games = GS points from EDP Central and EDP NPL

5 RCL = GS points from Region1 Champions league.

Well played NJ Wildcats.

I care about PA soccer just like I care about VA, MD, CT, MA, NJ & NY soccer plus DE, RI & NH.

Is your team going to FC Delco to play? or are you playing EDP cup? or maybe you just stay at home?

FC Virginia Pre-ECNL 01
Crew Juniors Crew Juniors Elite
NEFC Elite U13 Girl
Boston breakers Academy GU13 ECNL
Tri-State FA Elite 01

Anonymous said...

The comments 11:26 made were very good regarding Pags strenght of teams overall vs EDP. One thing of note to who ever mentioned Classics winning the regular season pags play, they didn't play PL or YMS during the season and would have lost to both. Harford and LVU going to EDP and struggling means very little as they would at best been in the lower tier in Pags. If you haven't seen Pl play and how they sub in everyone at once regardless of game importance, and put girls in spots their not use to and struggle at. Well, then you really don't know what your talking about when it comes to forsaking development just to win. Its great for the girls but puts knots in the stomach of parents. Especially when its close. Coach has had the top 3 or 4 best players on the bench during a tie game in tourney play. I would sat he is letting the girls figure it out.

Anonymous said...

I spy jealousy.... ;)

Anonymous said...

1:48

Another parent who sees a pecking order within his daughter's team.

Anonymous said...

Hate to bring this up but the sub rules are so very different in ECNL vs every other league.

Would the PL coach take his best players out with the knowledge they couldnt go back in the game or at least until after halftime? So you may see it as "letting the girls figure it out" Others may see it a resting best players for when they are needed to go back in the game.

Anonymous said...

Actually, he starts different lineups every game. So its never the same lineup. Most of girls like it, they no if their not starting one game at least they'll start the next. So sitting until halftime really never matter because its always a different five girls coming in. Takes a little getting use to, but he seems to make it work. Although a few parents have threatened to leave because of it and do like the equal playing time(or close to it).

Anonymous said...

PAGS plays's 8v8 at U12 so possibly many of the PA teams that move over to EDP at U13 are still transition mode from 8v8 to 11v11.

Cannot compared the PAGS league to EDP league until a team has played a full year at 11v11. Many of the NJ EDP teams have been playing 11v11 since U11.

Anonymous said...

2:55 Sounds great - AND happy girls are enjoying.

I wonder how much if anything changes if game results were important to qualify for a chance at a National Title?

Enjoy.

PS. at u13

LVU beat
#2 PA CLASSICS ACADEMY 01 (PAE) 1-0
#6 RAGE SC '01 ATHLETICA (PAE) 2-1
#3 YMS BANSHEES (PAE) 1-0

Harford beat
#5 HMMS EAGLE FC 01 SPIRIT (PAE) 2-1
#8 UKRAINIAN NATIONALS BLASTERS BLACK (PAE) 4-2

Not sure how you can say " struggling means very little as they would at best been in the lower tier in Pags" after they seem to have hand led the PAGS teams they have played with only lossto HMMS by LVU 0-1.

I think it said a lot about PAGS and where LVU and Harford fit in the PAGS pecking order and How EDP teams would handle PAGS teams in head 2 head match ups. But then again you see if differently because you are attached, I'm not and have no agenda as I am a Shill and could care less about either league.

Anonymous said...

Curious if there's any anticipated movement between any teams this offseason or if everyone is waiting for Spring tryouts. Obviously it would take a special situation to leave during the winter, but it does happen. Anyone aware of anything?

Anonymous said...

3:19 I never understood why someone would move in the Spring prior to tryouts unless they felt unwanted.

How would one know? I guess if you see a new girl training with the team.

PS. I'm not a shill and I do care about every league. Just being tool - sorry for that.

Anonymous said...

3:11

Were any of those wins after sept? Hartford and LVU were playing 11v last yr those other teams weren't. There's a learning curve . Might want to look at those same teams at wags Bethesda etc after they have a couple full sided games under their belts. Big difference

Anonymous said...

That was good background work on the LVU and Harford scores 3:11. You are a pro when backing up your thoghts. I said lower tier because most of pags was so down this year. Evident by YMS and Rage only scoring 13 goals in 8 games and yet finishing in the middle of the pack. 1776, Classics and Legacy were the only teams with a high goal differential. Good call

Anonymous said...

GS points are needed by town teams to get an opportunity to play in big tournaments.

You can't blame the Wildcats for using the system to their advantage. It is very expensive when you include all the additional tournaments, travel expenses, etc.

Give the players and parents credit for the sacrifices they make to play in top tournaments.

Anonymous said...

Wildcats only playing in 1 tournament this spring Jeff Cup.
Get your facts straight if you are going to comment on a team other than your own.

Anonymous said...

Wildcats only playing in 1 tournament this spring, the Jefferson Cup.
Their goal this spring is to prepare for Regionals in West Virginia in June, and to hopefully qualify for one of the National events.Not to win a tournament or just gain GS points.
Get your facts straight if you are going to comment on a team other than your own.

Anonymous said...

I was wondering how many tournaments the Wildcats were playing in this season?

Anonymous said...

Wildcats don't need to play tournaments because that is not where the points are. They will get 6,000 points playing in the inflated points EDP league.

Anonymous said...

No way Wildcats miss Delco this year. Top flight can be a special one with 3 top ECNL teams already (CFC, Boston & FCV). With over 2 months to go potential for a deep age group exists - 2 very good flights can be made now.

1. CFC West Orange
2. FC Virginia Pre-ECNL 01
3. Crew Juniors Crew Juniors Elite
4. NEFC Elite U13 Girl
5. Penn Legacy FC 01 Black
6. Boston breakers Academy GU13 ECNL
7. Tri-State FA Elite 01

+1 from below

GS Nat rank
17 Seacoast United Elite - DR- 01/02
20 Greater Binghamton United FC 01 Select
23 Albertson Soccer Club Fury '01 Pre-ECNL
48 New York SC G01
52 NJCSA GALAXY
77 PA Crew Academy Blue
168 Bethesda SC Academy 2001 Blue
196 Maryland United FC 01 ECNL
135 Waza FC East 02 Juniors

Anonymous said...

11:23, thanks for the updated list. So let ask you, of all the teams listed in the 2nd group, which one would you like too see play, please be impartial.

Anonymous said...

Scholarship? Commitments?. Come on people. All of these clubs are posting these kids achievements of commitments for their own profit and advertisement. Have these clubs list only soccer scholarships. Don't take credit for their academic achievements. They would never post only soccer scholarships because their websites would be empty, they are that few and far between.

Anonymous said...

11:23 I can answer your question many ways all impartial.

** Play a team from a state I've never seen before maybe NH, MI or PAW

** Play a NPL Pre-ECNL team to measure team. Albertson

** Play a ECNL outside of NE Girls NPL Maryland or Bethesda

** Play a team the girls can beat
PA Crew Academy blue

** Play the best team will require a little research since I have 5 that are very similar, but it could be just this board that is making me see things this way - i would like to research them first. Albertson, NYSC, NJCSA Maryland & Waza

Anonymous said...

sorry that was for 7:02

Anonymous said...

8:12 here again forgot Seacoast, will research 6 and give my opinion. Anyone else have an opinion on this?

Anonymous said...

** Play a team the girls can beat
PA Crew Academy blue

Hahaha, that’s a good one!

I guess Maryland United, would like to see them, but I might get my wish a little sooner at Jeff cup. Guess you always have to be careful about wishes. I hope to get to watch them against WC, should be fun.

Anonymous said...

Only 2 more weeks until USFF Northeast Regionals!

Its going to be a blast, and the girls really love it! The Wildwood convention center is a great venue, with 6 games being played simultaneously! Its fast, its exciting and its a great bonding experience for the team.

Futsal is not for everyone, its for the best of the best.
So come down to Wildwood, and enjoy some great competition, and you might even pick-up a move, or two, to use this spring.

Ciao!

Anonymous said...

9:04
Yeah like the national championship last year in California, where only four teams showed up. Its about the $$$$$.

Anonymous said...

7:03- Great point, your exactly right. Teams talking about college coaches and soccer scholarships are selling their product (soccer) to parents.

Any reason why GS has not awarded points for Spring 2015 EDP leagues yet? I was under the impression once you register and pay you get points?

Anonymous said...

Oh dear, you must be the same moron who posted the same comment a few weeks back.

Like I said, its not for everyone, especially closed-minded folk like you. Its for players that want to improve as footballers, that want to be challenged, that want to wear their club kit, and say to everyone, we are here, now beat us.

P.S. Everything is about money, but this is money well spent, but what do I know I am just a futsal-yahoo.

Anonymous said...

8:12

I'd include Albertson and GBSC if looking to play the toughest match

Anonymous said...

GBFC, sorry

Anonymous said...

Why, you want GBFC to hurt someone, is that why you want to see them play? Bunch of hacks, and a disgrace to youth soccer.

Anonymous said...

I thought the issue was BEST team to play, not style of play.

The elite need to be able to handle all types.

Anonymous said...

RAGE FC has merged with NJ Rush (current #12 in NJ and MAPS finalist, where the lost final to GB)

Anonymous said...

11:25 I don't think 10:26 was talking about style - he just doesn't want his kid to get hurt with dangerous tackles and stuff. I can respect that.

11:47 have you seen them play can they contend for the EDP title? Are they the NPL team? Interesting, a while back I said they would be a team to watch along with NJCSA because the club had multiple teams at this age group playing the same level or close to the same level.

Anonymous said...

Seems Rush is well organized. Good call if you said back then they were a club to watch.

NJSA (NJCSA) now has Cedar Stars behind them so their inclusion makes great sense

Good division, whether or not you believe it is greatly tiered (read: no need to chime in with boasts, MF and PDA).

Anonymous said...

7:02 This morning I would have said NYSC with wins over STA & ISA but after looking at the teams on that list I would to Albertson - the win over EM and STA put the mover NYSC. NYSC had that 4 game stretch that will stick with me until they go to u14 and we wipe everything away. GB only had Hartford and 1776 as big wins. NJCSA no big wins in my opinion - they beat the teams they should have. Seacoast, Waza and Maryland didn't have any big wins that stuck out more than the Albertson wins. I didn't look at ties or Ls - just Wins. it's cheap I know but it was easier this way for me.

Anonymous said...

I like looking at quality wins as well

I wouldnt discount PWSI out of Virginia as a quality result

I also dont eliminate all wins at U12. Greater Bing 2-0 over Penn Legacy was just 10 months ago.

We are in agreement on what drew us to Albertson. I think they may have improved significantly of late

Anonymous said...

@ 10:26 am. How do they get away with this illegal play? Do the ref's lose control of the match? Or is what they do ok by the refs?

Anonymous said...

Any team like that is at the MERCY of a good official.

Hustling play turns rough. When there are few whistles it can snowball.

No knock on GBFC - and no, they are not "taught to play this way"

Anonymous said...

2:39 - I'm not 10:26 - I don't think they play dirty - but they are big and aggressive - you know sometimes the ball might go through but not the player. Nothing wrong with that - but sometimes girls can get hurt. I like games with no fouls - quick ball movement switching the field and high pressure defense. Not many teams can play like this. For the record my kid's team can't. They try but they can't to many mistakes.

Anonymous said...

2:33...

Seriously? U12, 8v8, indoor played game at their facility.... You can eliminate that.

Anonymous said...

2:33...

Seriously? U12, 8v8, indoor played game at their facility.... You can eliminate that.

Anonymous said...

I've wondered how many opposing teams have been affected just by the nonstop screaming from that GB coach? Truly one of the worst displays of sideline coaching I've ever seen.

Anonymous said...

You couldnt score a goal in an indoor game? Makes it an even better win.

Anonymous said...

The below is why I like US Club Soccer and their PDPs than can lead to id2 in addition to the coach referring players.

I just hope their is a some type of award if players are good and some type of a negative if the coach refers a player that can't hang.

To me this is better than ODP, I think all the NPL leagues have their own PDP in addition to the ECNL PDP.
I think EDP TIP is similar to this, someone else can comment on this.

"There is no cost to players to be identified for or participate in the id² Program. For id² Training Camps, all lodging, meals and training gear are provided at no cost by US Club Soccer and Nike. The id² Program, open to all players regardless of U.S. Soccer affiliation or lack thereof, is an Olympic Development Program approved by the United States Olympic Committee and U.S. Soccer Federation."

Anonymous said...

So the girls who get identified out of NPL, for instance, dont play with those identified out of EDP?

Why is that good?

Anonymous said...

4:48

Smaller sized indoor goals.

The refs were literally on the payroll of the GB coach who owns the facility, I think that one earned a bonus that afternoon!

Anyway, it supposed to be a scrimmage, at least that's what were told, still wondering how it showed up on GS, but whatever.

Anonymous said...

It says Region 1 Colonial League

Anonymous said...

Indoor is a different game. Especially when played in that dome with those refs!

Anonymous said...

5:24 it's free ODP compared to $1,500.

Most NPL leagues have a PDP that identifies players for id2.

That's not good?

PS. Be more specific when you say NPL we have 5 in region1 and I believe

New England, Virginia & NYCSL all have PDPs, Not sure how EDP does theirs, could be just TIP. NorthEast Girls NPL doesn't say anything about PDP on their page.

Anonymous said...

5:30 it was a friendly that did not count in region 1 colonial league final standings. Only the below counted in a league where the champion qualified for premier league before they scrapped both leagues. These were 8v8 games?

2-2 RAGE FC PREMIER FREEDOM
2-4 BRYC 01 ELITE
4-2 PA CREW ACADEMY BLUE
1-1 GREATER BINGHAMTON FC 01 SELECT
4-1 DOUG MILLER SOCCER DMS GU12 STEALTH

Anonymous said...

"While Meriwether’s example is rare, concussions in girls soccer are not. The American Journal of Sports Medicine studied the rate of concussions in high school athletics from 2008 through 2010.

Of the 1,936 reported concussions during the study, 47 percent were suffered playing or practicing football. No. 2 on the list: girls soccer, at 8.2 percent.

“Whenever somebody hits their head, everyone’s worried,” said Francis Parker sophomore Taylor Salmons, who suffered a concussion as a freshman. “We know it’s common.”

Causes of concussions:

Doctors and coaches cite multiple factors for the high number of brain injuries in girls soccer. Among them:

• Girls’ necks and heads are smaller than their male counterparts, giving their brains less protection.

• Inspired by iconic heroes like Mia Hamm, Brandi Chastain and Abby Wambach — plus lured by potential college scholarships — girls are playing more aggressively, sometimes recklessly so.

• When in midair, boys appear to have better spatial awareness, recognizing potential collisions and avoiding them.

• Girls may be more inclined to report concussions than boys."

Anonymous said...

Thanks for the concussion post, it's important. One of the things that I have noticed is that most girls don't know how to head the ball correctly, that is on the coach. Most girls that I have seen use the top of their heads and not the forehead, which is the problem. Also, most girls do not bring enough force to the ball, they don't use their shoulders and meet the ball with pace. This leaves with absorbing most of the shock. I work with my daughter on bringing the ball down with her foot, which is easier said than done, especially on punts, or free kicks. She is not small, but she has a natural respect for the ball. Not too many girls like getting a shot in the face.

Anonymous said...

Fun for a slow Friday

Project NJ top ten if we look at GS on 7/1.

Anonymous said...

it's futsal season and it amazes me how no one on this board likes to talk futsal.we have made the trek to wildwood the last 4 years and my kids love it. The competition in Jersey is better than surrounding state tournaments we have been at. It's a great venue and there is no shortage of good teams.The kids love the fast pace and non-stop action.In my opinion a great soccer player will not necessarily make a good futsal player, but a good futsal player will pick up valuable skills they can use on the soccer field. As far as someone's comment about California, California really should change their tournament from the summer. No one wants to play indoors in the summer.... Also often wonder are these kids getting looked at,seems like most teams are just put together for winter season,but others are futsal academies. the kids seem to know who the teams to beat are. See you there. I'll be the dork with the grin glued to my face enjoying every minute.

Anonymous said...

njcsa is very good, however coach has organization issues, close to this team. they should look for team manager, a better one or something. I believe BOCA will also move up to top 10 quickly and continue their run. Spurs are dropping with injury issues. pda will always be on top, wonder where pda shore goes from here? sta is just good, plain and simple. tsf is also the same. Wildcats, we played them before and did well against them, not sure about them, only seen them that one time about 1.5 years ago. MF, I have heard they are beatable.

Anonymous said...

I have been told by a pediatrition that one of the reasons girls are more prone to concussions, is that most females have a longer neck than males. This somehow creates more sway when the head is struck. Of course this is one of many reasons that are out there.

Anonymous said...

Agreed re: benefits of futsal. It's very different from the outdoor soccer game & not for everyone. I have seen the tough physical players struggle mightily with the game (zero tolerance for pretty much any contact in futsal & after 5 team fouls it's a free PK for the other team). The game demands a superior first touch & quick movement off the ball. Also tight space requires fast decisions, real fast. A deadened ball that hardly bounces & harder to kick adds to the challenge.

I've been to Wildwood last 3 years & once again will be there in few weeks. It's a great tournament, well run with premier officials/facility at Convention Center. I'll be the other dork grinning (that is when my daughter's team is winning).

Anonymous said...

Sorry I don't about Futsal because it's usually friends from different teams that play together or one third of a team that plays. I agree the game is played fast, no different than indoor (different rules) to each their own. Both should be played fast with one or two touch passing to get out of those tight areas. Agreed not every player can do this and have seen many games resemble the outdoor game just indoors. For that reason my kid is not playing this year. No knock on the sport or the leagues.

Anonymous said...

Finally, some parents that appreciate the advantages of winter Futsal training! We are also going to be in WW for the NE Regionals, and it was a bunch of fun last year. My daughters team did well, getting to the playoff round, but without a true GK the outcome was inevitable, just one of the many factors that determines a positive result. We look forward to playing teams like Dynamo, DV Academy and some of the Maryland Futsal Academy’s.

Anonymous said...

3:44, I agree that sometimes it is girls from different teams, but not always. In our situation, our club runs a futsal program as supplement to winter training. Its a select team, which means that only the best candidates are chosen, and sometimes girls from the u13 team are disappointed. Futsal is a great way to build confidence, improve foot-skills and sharpen the fast decision-making, that is crucial to success in later years. Its not for everyone, its for players.

Anonymous said...

1:52 You claim "Boca will move into top 10 quickly and continue their run".
What run?
BOCA Team is not a contender in NJ and never will be.
They couldn't even get into Jeff Cup and they have 9 U13 flights.
What league do they play in this spring?

Anonymous said...

I agree most Jersey teams are soccer teams just looking to keep the kids busy over the winter. When you watch an academy whose kids play futsal year round it looks like a whole different game.the footwork the passing the set plays,it's at a whole other level. Jersey has one legit team at this age, and will be ready for them this year!!!don't forget your state tournament next weekend ,love that old gym..good luck to all

Anonymous said...

1:52

MF is beatable? of course, every team is beatable. PDA is beatable. look at their tournament results.

top teams are

MF
PDA
NJ Wildcats

NO ORDER

Anonymous said...

http://www.bennionkearny.com/Talent-Identification-in-Soccer-Football.htm


Reading this this I would be interested to hear what teams you think are training their players correctly in New Jersey.

Are those big tough kids the answer to soccer development



Anonymous said...

9:37 If you have soccer people making the decisions size doesn't matter - they know what to look for and sometimes the truth hurts.

If you people that read some books and watched some you tube videos on how to train kids - well then all they know is the big tough kid is where it's at and if you don't have another option then that hurts even more.

So the question isn't a NJ thing it's a US thing.

We need soccer people teaching our kids how to play.

Anonymous said...

Don't kid yourself though..... When the training pool of these top girls all have comparable skill, they will pick the bigger stronger body first. That is also where the truth may hurt. Sucks at times, but still a definite reality.....

Anonymous said...

what about the girl with a better soccer brain and better skills compared to the big girl who runs fast?

which one is the better player?

Anonymous said...

There need not be an answer to that

Anonymous said...

I still like to use a top 5, 8:54 pm

My question right now is who to put in as 5th team.

STA joins the 4 you mentioned

Candidates for 5 are Crush, Ajax and NJX/MF-NPL

Anonymous said...

Are there quick smurf-like NCAA players that arent getting a proper look for national teams?

Anonymous said...

How is Crush in the top 7? Good team but really haven't beaten any one in last year.

Anonymous said...

size & height absolutely matters! huge advantage & d1 scouts are looking for it. all the major d1 schools want height its a fact. very few & far in between does the shorter player make it. of course there are exceptions but large majority of girls who play at d1 level are above average in height. sorry folks but that is just a fact.

Anonymous said...

Height and speed.

Anonymous said...

1244 you are correct but in that order, height first. you can develop speed & train for skill, height you r daughter either has it or she doesn't. if she doesn't there is nothing a d1 coach can do. he will opt for the taller player first every time.

Anonymous said...

I dont think D1 coaches immediately dismiss players 5-2 through 5-4.

My question was are there whispy players who rely on elusiveness that the USWNT is not giving a chance to play with the beefier (and I understand - fast, as well) group.

Anonymous said...

Pretty sure D1 coaches (or any coach who has hopes of keeping their job) are decidedly NOT looking at height as the main criterion, satisfied that they can train for skill. If your daughter is of college recruiting age and doesn't possess skills strong enough to get noticed by college coaches, they're on to the next field. It's easy to spot the tall girls, yes, and it would be optimal if they have skill as well, but if they don't, it's going to show when all eyes are on her. College coaches don't want to be burdened with developing skill. That's your club trainer's job. Sorry.

Anonymous said...

I would say it is skill, speed, height in that order.

Anonymous said...

best players have game IQ in any sport.

skill and speed added make am elite player


sorry for all this tall strong girls.. better to play basketball

Anonymous said...

Who is this WNT Player?

Height 5 ft 1 in (1.55 m)
Playing position Wing-back/Winger

Please stop this already.

If we are talking 25 girls all have the same speed and skill the bigger girls win all the the time. That's not even a topic.

However, is this conversation about big aggressive athletic kids vs smaller faster technical kids?

The smaller kids win 9 out of 10 games hands down.

Sorry but if you can't play fast - and I'm not saying the kid isn't fast - they have not shot at the highest levels of soccer or any sport.

Just one yahoos opinion.

Anonymous said...

The big tall girls have one advantage their height to get noticed out of a crowd. So if they are skilled they are in and one step closer to winning a spot - but if they show that they don't possess soccer skills they are dismissed just as quick.

Anonymous said...

What attributes I most value?

First touch, keeping control of passes that have page

Great field vision, followed by quick, sharp and accurate passing

Self-less distribution to open team mates

Win all 50/50 balls

Always shake the officials hand

Thank you.

Mr. Yoohoo

Anonymous said...

WNT vs. France and England - International Friendlies

8 players under 5'5"
4 players 5'9" +

12 players in between

4:32 I agree except "all" 50/50 balls I would be happy with "most".

Anonymous said...

That is why i said skill, speed, height (size) in that order. You have to have the first two. If not it doesn't matter how big and strong you are. But if you have the 1st 2 you will get picked over a smaller girl.

Anonymous said...

4:38 first of all this is a site where whats realistic for 99% plus of the parents on this site is for their kid to play some level of college soccer D1, D2 or D3 .
Let's not waste time worrying about what the USWNT and other countries national teams are looking for because the odds are very strong NOT ONE of these U13 Girls playing currently in region 1 will ever make any USWNT.
Now let's talk about whats realistic, which is at BEST a decnt % of these girls may have a shot at playing D1.
As all sports are copy cat leagues and they look for what worked most recently at the highest level of their sport(D1 college soccer)what they saw is florida state and Virginia had easily 90% of their players on the field were 5'7"or taller.
so what you can bet is that most of the D1 coaches of the major conference programs who aspire to make the college cup(womens final four) are indeed looking at height as one of their most important considerations for recruiting along with pace, skill, competitiveness.
Not knocking the national Team Programs of France or Japan as they are outstanding and play a very skilled game of soccer, but that is not the type of female player that is coveted at the major college level, because that is not the way the college game is played on the female side in the US at this time.
Even Virginia , maybe the most skilled and possession oriented side in the US on the womens side, had to change up and play more direct vs Florida state because of the size, strength and athleticism that florida State brought to the table(Virignia had already lost twice to Florida State in conference play during the regular season and they knew they could not win playing the way they did in those 2 losses).
BTW, Virginia changed their formation for the final to a 4-5-1 from a 4-4-2 and flooded midfield and played more direct and still lost to florida State's more athletic and bigger, stronger, faster side.
Virginia had some of the best small midfielders in the country, skilled players and good passers with great touch and vision, but they couldn't keep the ball vs Florida State's size and speed, they kept getting taken off the ball and couldn't build their normal attack as Florida State just kept turning them over and countering with quick strike transitions.

Anonymous said...

My princess is going to be a professional soccer player, because I am going to bribe all the right people, all the way to the top. Its a simple formula,

speed=how fast you can get them the money

height=what floor of the building we will at on to transact said bribe

skill=the ability to sell success to my child.

Priceless.

Anonymous said...

5:14 - Would you tell your kid that? or would you continue supporting the dream? I would support the dream as long it's still her dream and if she wants to be a WNT player then who am I to say you can't. Didn't know kids stop developing after u13.

So you are saying not one kid from Region1 will play for u14, u16, u17, u19 & u21 NTs?

Interesting it looks like VA was the taller team.
VA 6 girls under 5'7" out of 29
FL State 7 girls under 5'7" out of 15

what ever, I do understand what you are saying though but I just disagree. There are 320 schools with about 6,400 players on D1 rosters. I think they fill the roster with the bigger girls after the top skilled girls are gone again that is just this yahoo's opinion and I think it's okay to disagree - no?




Anonymous said...

STA I would not consider as a top team.

I attended a STA game this fall vs a top program's C team. I was disappointment with STA play. STA was clearly out played vs its opponent. Yes STA won scoring on mishaps by opponent. They were out shot, out possessed. Been around soccer for a long time, I do not see STA lasting, just like older team's will lose it's best players to top programs.

Anonymous said...

5:52 No ones saying to take their dream at all. Let them keep that dream, as you say their will be a kid from region 1 every 3 or 4 years make it.
Maybe your kid will be the chosen one, who knows.
but you better make sure she has more than just ball skills and vision as you claim because it will take much more that those qualities to make it that far.
And if she is short, she better be lightning fast and very tough and scrappy as well as very skiled.
Just telling you the odds are strong that not even 1 player from current U13 batch in region 1 will make the national team.
but we as adults should at least be realistic and aware of the reality of the situation and not

Anonymous said...

5:58 you don't think we know that.

Work ethic is number 1? If your kid is working out and playing with the ball by herself she will make it - if she want's to be the best kid on her team that is what's needed to make NT player. The speed of play, skill, soccer IQ and vision comes with the territory. If they have all of that they will make it. PS. My kid's 13 and is nice player but she has plenty of room to grow her game she going down the right path I can see that as a former soccer player/soccer fan.

And as a soccer fan below is from the MLS about the same conversation - the DA is changing everything as will the Girls DA or ECNL which ever it is - gone are the days of ODP and the big aggressive athletic girl. Again just one yahoo's opinion

MLS has long been known for its physicality, and that has been represented in the SuperDraft over the years. Players with size, speed, and athleticism have, by and large, been more prized than smaller, more technical players. While there's no hard-and-fast reason why -- just as there's no hard and fast rule that large, athletic players can't also be wildly skillful -- conventional wisdom says it's easier to fit players who are more physically gifted into multiple roles.

But the SuperDraft is no longer the only (or best) way for college-aged players to enter MLS, and hasn't been for more than half a decade. With the rise of the Academy system, more and more of the latter type of players -- small, technical, not eye-poppingly athletic -- have emerged. It looks as though pro teams are finding talent where the NCAA has often failed to look.

Want conventional wisdom for the reasons behind that influx? Simple: their teams have been able to see each of these players develop and figure out where they fit into the team structure. They have crafted a tool for a specifc job, rather than relying upon finding a random tool and hoping it fits
The player acquistion model for each is vastly different, and it's worth noting the sheer volume of attackers -- guys like Fagundez and Shipp, not to mention Andy Najar, the first cross-continent success of the Academy system -- who've come through the Homegrown program.

Time will only tell if this trend continues. But at the moment there is little doubt that the advent of the Homegrown initiative is changing both the size and shape of what we see on the field in MLS.

Anonymous said...

5:44 you know it all don't you? Your kid is super lucky.

Anonymous said...

You have to stop comparing the womens college and WNT game in this country with the mens pro game.
they are very different and at 2 different points in their evolution.

Anonymous said...

8:42 And this is the reason Womens soccer never takes off. Because the cool guys can never support Sky Blue over the Red Bulls.

Why are they different? The game is played the same way with the same rules.

The DA is changing the way people like you look at soccer players - now the DAs are looking for the more technical player regardless of size.

The Girls program will follow. Lets see what the USSF does with the Girls side.

Anonymous said...

Most of the Big time D1 Programs will not even consider a very short girl regardless of her skills.
If she is a very quick short middie they worry she will not hold up to the physical requirements of the college game on the womens side at that level.

they also worry about how will she hold her own in the physical duels and aerial battles in midfield that usually decide the game.

Anonymous said...

Also go back and do the size breakdown of UVA and Fla State and just use box score to use only those girls that played in the final.
Using whole roster is not accurate as D1 Programs keep 25-30 girls on roster so the have practice players for training, but 1/2 of those girls rarely or never play in games and many are walk ons or invited walk ons who receive no athletic scholarship money.
use only the girls in the box score, as those are the players who are in the rotation in the competitive games and that will be a more accurate indicator of the average size of the players at that level.

Anonymous said...

What’s up with all this height-elitist BS? Why are all you nasty losers mentioning that if you are average height you stand NO chance of recognition. Coaches are ALL different, and just because one only wants amazon’s doesn’t mean your daughter cannot find the right niche for her. Please, enough with the tall-girl, is going to get more looks, it sounds exclusionary, and pompous.

Anonymous said...

P.S. The only position on the field where height is truly valued is GK, end of story, end of discussion, end of stupid nonsensical saga...

Anonymous said...

Height is a major factor on the D1 level.
Especially for the top 25 programs.

Fact

Anonymous said...

9:05 I agree but this is the only talk going on and I'm okay giving my opinions on it. Some posters (maybe one maybe not) seem to think not.

We can chat about it or not - but as the poster said it is reality and I happen to agree with it - just like it is reality that most of the parent on these boards don't supports Womens soccer by supporting their NWSL team, if they don't ave one then WPSL or W-League teams,

The AVG for NWSL in 2014 = 4,000 and that's because of Portland and their 13,300. Sky Blue had a whopping 1,600. All I read about is NJ soccer this and NJ soccer that - We have a pro team for our kids and we couldn't give a crap. But we will all be watching the Super Bowl later tonight.

Sky Blue had 19k for the season while Portland had 160k. Portland hands down it the best soccer city in the country. Just for the record 2014 AVG for Portland

MSL = 20,800
NWSL = 13,300

Wish we would support the game more on the girls side instead of just talking about it- but then again we (this board) might be the only ones supporting the game.

Anonymous said...

10:10, so I guess that excludes your daughter, yes?

Anonymous said...

9:03 and 9:05 you are so misinformed it is a joke.
the D1 major college programs are absolutely looking for the big strong and fast athletes, just as in the other major sports in this country.
And just as in are other sports a small percentage of small girls will also make it to that level.
but they will have to be SUPERIOR in one or more other areas(like pace and explosive quickness) to offset their small size.
But the majority by far will be taller than average(as we saw with UVA and Fla St taller than 5'7") and much faster than the average player at this level of youth soccer.
When recruiting among a pool of players who are all skilled, let's say high level players on top ecnl or npl teams at major tournaments in top flights, the most coveted will be those will size and pace. to go with those skills.
As far as this being elitist not true at all.Just reality in ALL elite sports.
When we are talking about major college D1 Sports, than it's no different as in the other sports in that those who are the most physically gifted(big, strong, fast athletic) will be the most coveted because they have the most upside when projected through 4 or 5 years in a college in season and off season year round training program.
We are talking about the top programs , the best of the best, of course they want the most gifted athletes and D1 body types because that is who they will have to compete against at that level.. Of course the bigger athletic girls will get the most looks, and the most offers.

Anonymous said...

I like this talk but can we stop talking D1 we have 5 years for that.

College Soccer Teams and Affiliation

Affiliation
Division I 310
Division II 225
Division III 425
NAIA 223
Total 1,183

Approximately 32,765 players are currently participating in women’s college soccer. Due to the application of Title IX, women's soccer is one of the fastest growing intercollegiate sports. Figures based upon all National Collegiate Athletic Association (the "NCAA") teams fielding maximum allowable roster of 26 players and NAIA teams fielding a 35 player roster.

Each year college coaches need to find incoming freshmen players to replace their graduating senior players. On average each NCAA team roster will lose 6.5 players, while NAIA will need to replace 8.75 players. This means, annually, that 8,191 soccer players must be identified and recruited to college soccer teams.

Maximum Number of Scholarships Per Affiliation Division

Affiliation Women
Division I 14
Division II 9.9
Division III None
NAIA 12

Coaches have the option to allocate a full scholarship to a player or divide up the scholarship amount among a number of players. Prior to entering negotiations with a college for a scholarship, it is important for an athlete to know how many soccer scholarships a college has available and to have a realistic understanding of his or her value to the college’s soccer program.

For those players that are likely to make a positive and significant impact to a team, a full or partial scholarship or tuition discount is a strong possibility

The reality is that the majority of college soccer players are receiving money because they qualified for academic or other merit aid.

Anonymous said...

10:53 I agree with most of your points as well.
Just remember that those figures of allowable scholarships are the maximum allowed for the schools at each of those levels.
You must keep in mind that the majority of those schools are not fully funded.
that means that they offer less than the allowable maximum number of scholarships at their respective schools usually for lack of the necessary funding of their athletic departments.
many of these schools are struggling to keep up their minor non revenue producing sports like soccer so they must make do with less than the allowable maximum number of scholarships allowed in the minor sports like womens soccer. Even some of the schools in the major conferences(except the big public state universities)have less than the allowable maximum number of scholarships to hand out.
this is particularly true of the parochial schools such as those in the current Big Est Conference that don't have the income from major college football teams at their schools( those schools without major football programs also do not have to worry about offsetting the 85 football scholarships by allocating a similar number of scholarships to womens sports to be in compliance with title 9 regulations).
While your figures of the number of spots available overall are accurate, using those numbers of schools playing at each level and multiplying those schools by the number of allowable scholarships is false.
Many more of those players are receiving no athletic money and are getting whatever financial help they receive thru academic money or financial aid thru low income grants to their families

Anonymous said...

As an added point there are resources available like Sportsource.com that show the number of scholarships each womens soccer program has available to them.
this is where an experienced club coach who has been through the process with many teams and players can be an invaluable resource to help you negotiate your way through this difficult and often confusing process of finding the right fit for your player.
You need to be proactive and you need to start the process at the beginning of your players freshmen year in high school.
Not so far off as some on this site would have you believe.

Anonymous said...

You only need to start the process early if your a borderline prospect and trying to catch as many coaches attention as possible. But due to PDA only having highly skilled athletes with just the right amount of size needed. They do not have to start the process until the beginning of their Junior year. Most PDA players have already signed their letters of intent by 7th or 8th grade, so lesser organizations will have time to pick up the crumbs that are left.

Anonymous said...

11:37 and 11:43.

Thank you... great Information.


11:52 seems to want to stir the pot.


Anonymous said...

The article posted is right on point;

Unfortunately, We do not have the coaches on the youth level to develop the next Marta in this country.

The coaches at these academies with their english accents combined with the old time American way of playing the game, will produce the same player over and over again.

Big girl, Smash mouth, watch me run fast to the ball soccer.

We have parents who support that play from u8 and up. And so called high coaches that do not know how to train any other way.

This what you get for your $2200-$2800 dollars a year.


The English who have their own issues with their game and are desperately trying to change their own system , have unfortunately permeated the US with their teachings... Most of these coaches that are teaching our kids are or were lower level players themselves. They have found a way to come here and make a living.


I am afraid real soccer brilliance will not be found on the girls side. We will continue to have parents yelling in the stands to just get more physical or step to the ball harder.

and arguments about the big, taller, physical athlete with medium skill will be the focus of most coaches and parents to achieve that partial payment for college.









Anonymous said...

11:37 and 11:43 here.
I"m not from PDA.

Anonymous said...

NJ State Cup teams look like they are finalized. Only 2 of the final four from the last "true" state cup (sping 2014) have entered. The defending champions MF NPL (NJX) and semi-finalist, PDA NPL South (Ajax). A little better than the fall but still missing many of the top clubs.

Anonymous said...

Interesting article on how Belgium revamped their youth system.

http://grantland.com/features/world-cup-2014-belgian-national-team-vincent-kompany-eden-hazard-marouane-fellaini/

As to the earlier discussion on size, when two players are of equal ability physically and mentally, coaches will always take the bigger kid. That being said, the technical ability of a smaller player can easily overcome the size of a much bigger player with limited skills.

Anonymous said...

1:49 is on the money. What is it with the big and tall bs. Fast, yes, of MIND and body. Skillful, w/o a doubt. Strong too. Tall? Maybe D1 women's soccer is like NCAA Football, and that's a shame. The top clubs in the EPL are coached by "foreigners" Mourinho, Pellegrini, van Gaal, Wenger, Pochettino, and Koeman. Only Liverpool among the top teams has an English manager and how is that working out. Why the foreigners? To teach some of the most expensive players in the world how to play so they can compete in European play. A team like Man City is littered with "short" guys. Aguero, Silva, Navas, Nasri, all world class players, as well as some big boys like YaYa Toure and Vincent Kompany, also world class. Their being there is based on ability to play at that level period. The perfect example is the question of who is better Messi or Ronaldo? One is a physical specimen in every way and the other is a little unassuming guy, but both are amazingly talented. Ronaldo's height is irrelevant in any debate regarding the two. Its true that the coaching here in the US is lacking in many instances, so many coaches look for size and brute strength to compensate for their inability to develop players. Height is preferred mainly for keepers and central defenders and high target players if a team plays that way. Otherwise "tall" players are greatly outnumbered among star attacking players at the top clubs in the modern game. Make a list of the top 25 field players in the world today excluding central defenders and let me know how many are 5'9" and under and how many are 6'0" and over.

Anonymous said...

4:35 again someone comparing the current Womens game at the high D1 College level with the highest level of the mens international pro game. Not a valid comparison.
the womens game in this country is a new, still evolving sport even in relation to the mens game in this country and how are the men in the US and MLS compared to the international players you are using for comparison.
It's a much different sport than the mens international game so different requirements are looked for in recruiting for coaches to be successful.
Watch a womens college game and tell me how is that game comparable to Real Madrid, Bayern Munich or Barcelona?
It's completely different pace and tempo in the womens college game and what works is totally different in many ways. Slow, probing possession is rare, high pressure is common, ball winning, tackling and aerial duels are constant all over the field, and size, strength and speed are prized, not only for center backs and target forwards. And the bigger stronger faster players win most of those. In the womens college game today it's, "Win the ball, you Win the Game:.

Anonymous said...

5:33 Here again.and just so I'm not misunderstood I am not talking about big strong fast girls with no skill.
I am saying the coaches at that level are looking for the physical studs who are skilled as well.
And there are plenty of strength fast kids who have the required skill.
It's just very hard in our sports for the small talented athlete to beat out the big talented athlete, just as the smaller skilled player with average pace is hard pressed to play at that level vs players with pace.
coaches will just not usually take that risk with limited athletic scholarship money.
Again there are always exceptions but as stated you must be superior in pace ANd skill to offset lack of size.
there are no small, players with average speed at the elite level of college soccer unless they are walkons,practice players who just sit on the bench in games.

Anonymous said...

Is it the belief that a women who is 5-7 or 5-8 has an advantage over a women that is 5-5?




What is the actual spread where you think one player has an advantage over another?

Soccer Nut

Anonymous said...

5:42 any player with avg pace will not make it at that level tall 5'10" or smaller at 5'4".

You are not saying that a bigger girl with avg pace has a better shot than a smaller girl who is faster and can play the game better.

Also when you say pace? speed? are you talking their 40 time? or are you talking about being able to play 1 and 2 touch soccer without kicking the ball through a wall?

5:33 how is the girls game different than the boys game? besides the obvious.

Anonymous said...

Sky Blue cant draw because the girls are too busy playing.

Anonymous said...

Thank you 253 & good point. I've been saying all along the Fall/2014 State Cup was a meaningless one, your description of last "true" State Cup being Spring/2014 is right on.

Anonymous said...

8:01 I disagree Sky Blue can't draw because fathers come on here and say the girls game isn't the same as the boys game just like the Super Bowl commercial said.

We come on here a BS about GS, make fun of teams, show off our internet muscles, talk about colleges, talk about small sided vs big field, development vs winning, athletic kids vs skilled kids, but none of us want to support a girls team so instead Sky Blue will probably move and join NYCFC like the rumors say - I hope NY supports them better than 1,600 a game we do in NJ

Just this yahoo's opinion

Anonymous said...

Thats bull

They play so much.... then the pros want you to go watch on your day off from driving them - and on the girls day off from the game.

You get the girls that have soccer burning in them....... but not the player who has a well rounded life to attend.

And they do a good job at the games, spending time with autographs and such - but where are the player visits to clubs?

Nowhere, unless somebody from the club sets it up.

Anonymous said...

Also - way too much player turnover in the league.

If you go to 1-2 games a year you see a totally different team every time.

Anonymous said...

by pace I mean the ability to run with and mark the players you are matched up against at that high D1 level who are all great athletes and can run very well. No matter how well ad fast you can play 1 and 2 touch soccer if you can't match up physically and with the pace of the other athletes at that level you will be exposed.

Anonymous said...

State Cup champs are Medford, 8:32

The elite part of the tournament is NCS.

Anonymous said...

Yes. The real state cup is held in the fall.
that is the one that leads to regionals and a shot a usysa National Championship.

Anonymous said...

"by pace I mean the ability to run with and mark the players you are matched up against at that high D1 level who are all great athletes and can run very well. No matter how well ad fast you can play 1 and 2 touch soccer if you can't match up physically and with the pace of the other athletes at that level you will be exposed."


It appears you know very little about the game.

Anonymous said...

11:14 -You have to be able to defend and mark and win the ball as well as pass it quickly.

Anonymous said...

11:05 Why?

Fall Cup is part of the NCS that sends champion to Region1 Championships with a shot a National Championships.

Spring Cup is part of US Club and the Champion of the Super Group goes directly to the National Cup in Indiana while the winner of the other group goes to Mid-Atlantic Regional with a shot at the National Cup as well.

So unless you are standing on one side of the fence how can you say they aren't the same? Actually Spring cup is a direct ticket to a national event not a regional event. So one can argue Spring Cup is more valuable.

11:14 I agree

Anonymous said...

11:21 How are you defending if you are chasing? and why do you think the smaller girls can't defend and mark?

Anonymous said...

Unfortunately 11:14 is correct. Even if a smaller girl can maintain pace and mark in the beginning of a game. The larger physical presence just wears smaller players down at some point. I'm not saying that teams will not take on a smaller girl and find a place for them. But its often a supporting role and those roles are few.

Anonymous said...

8:22 I am not following this conversation.

The larger physical girl has the same skill level? If yes, then I agree.

Anonymous said...

I have one question for you - Wambach fits this larger physical player role, correct?

Do you think she would have as many goals if Wambach was crossing the ball to Wambach?

Anonymous said...

11:30 we were just talking about pace in that last conversation, not size.
Saying if you are small you must be SUPERIOR in the other areas, like pace, skill and aggressiveness, to have a place at the table at that level in womens soccer.
Small and average speed has NO CHANCE to play at that level in the womens game, regardless of skill on offense.

Anonymous said...

11:25 sorry but the new national event for us club state winners does not carry the prestige of winning Region 1 Tournament and being one of the 4 teams that qualify for USYSA National Championships.
As you say it is a national event, but like the difference between NCAA Champion and NIT Tournament Champion in basketball. US Club Nationals and Super Y-League Nationals just don't have the same tradition and cache.

Anonymous said...

So your the coach and you get to choose. You have one slot left and your choice is a girl with above average skills that is smaller and quick (lets say 5'4-5'6- weight-140), or a girl with average skills and great speed and size (5'9'-6') 160-175 lbs.

Anonymous said...

Smaller girl...

Anonymous said...

9:39 I agree Small and AVG speed has no chance - same Big and AVG speed.

9:47 If you say so. Just for the record this year's National Cup XIV has been around for a while.

NYE has moved away from USYSA the NY Cup holds more water than their NCS I think. This is how Sachem made it to regionals and why Top Drawer has them rated so high. YES TopDrawer looks at USYSA Major events in addition to ECNL events.

It looks like in NJ PDA and MF picked aside -all the others are still playing both sides.

I also noticed PA getting their own US Club State Cup their problem it's the same time as their NCS they need to move it to the fall for more success.

To me National League, Region1, ECNL, NPL & Super Y are my favorite leagues to follow.

I also like EDP as it has teams from CT, MA, NYE, NYW, NJ, DE, PAE & MD and sometimes VA

Anonymous said...

Top Drawer is the lap-dog of USYS and has no credibility in my book, none. Take Sachem Speed, really in the top 25 nationally, really, wow!

Anonymous said...

5-5 midfielder Tori Huster added to USWNT

Anonymous said...

Far more girls over 5-5 on that roster than under my friend. Spin it all you want.....

Anonymous said...

THere are six players that are 5-7

10 are under 5-7

8 are over 5-7, but just 5 are field players

Anonymous said...

5-7 is a good size for a girl...... Your point?

Anonymous said...

Even in basketball where size is probably the most significant asset of any sport, the size of the player varies for 6'2 to 7'2 with the best players in the world from 6'0 to 6'8.

It is always about the player never about size for the sake of size.

Every player on the soccer field is unique. They have their own physical, technical, speed and iQ on the field.


Making a claim that size is such an asset on the field that its the determining factor in anything without seeing what the individual unique athlete has to offer is a very simple way at looking at what makes a talented soccer player.

Have you ever seen an elite player explode off the ball and change directions on a defender on a dime.

Or a player thread a pass or lob a ball just over a tall defender to a team mate who puts the ball in the back of the net.

or a player that runs down an opponent from behind to give their teammates help in defense.


or a player that has a cannon for feet and can use her left and right equally as well.

or a player that can Jump "out of the gym"

This has nothing to do with height.



Aferall we are not talking about 5-1 vs 5'10.

Both heights are on the extreme side of the girls game.

Most elite players will fall between 5-4 and 5'8.

And in this box, it would be on the individual player and what that unique player has in her tool box.


The argument about height is a non starter especially when the ball is played on the ground,

You always have to look at the individual player and the way she-PLAYS THE GAME.

Soccer Nut

Anonymous said...

I agree Soccer nut, its a nasty and overtly bitter thread, probably started by a Dad who has a tall daughter. Corny but true, its not the size of the players in the fight, its the size of the fight within the players.

Thank you, next thread please.

Anonymous said...

This was said a WHILE BACK, S Nut

But thanks for the long reiteration

Anonymous said...

LOL, then I agree. I'm old and my attention span is not as good as it use to be.

Soccer Nut.

Anonymous said...

Nut - I agree - well said.

Anonymous said...

10:39 - That is funny.

What has Sachem SC done lately to move up in the top 25 on topdrawer? I cant believe they put them there.

Anonymous said...

They didn't move up -they are almost out as Rage is almost out of the GS NJ top 25.

Anonymous said...

Defending Region champs - Sachem Speed

Cant kill TD Soccer for putting weight on that

Anonymous said...

Not killing them - but you don't find it funny.

There have been posts made that Top Drawer is ECNL

But in this situation - which I agree with you - they are giving Sachem Speed the proper weight as Region1 Champion. However, the Region1 Champions league seems to have forgotten that as they are in D2 - The defending Region1 champ!!!

Anonymous said...

I can’t? Sorry, I thought I could, how dumb of me!

Not only does that have no weight for me, it doesn’t deserve a response, so after reading this, please forget I brought it up, okay?

Anonymous said...

Sachem Speed are a combination of girls from Atletico and some not-worthy enough to mention others from Loser Isalnd.

Anonymous said...

To the poster who said the Fall NJ cup is the place to be. I asked if you were standing on that side of the fence when you made that claim?

Just by this board and by no means does that mean anything more than me just typing it. No one gave Credit to the NJ Wildcat victory because "not all the top teams played in it" The Spring Cup seems to have added at least 4 teams that didn't participate in the Fall, PDA Ajax, PDA Dragons, MF NPL & NJCSA Galaxy. at the very least this adds an extra round of tough games for Nj Wildcats, STA & NJ Crush.

I'm going to add that in NYE all the top teams are playing the NY Cup instead of the NY NCS Cup.

Not sure about other states but in NY and NJ seems to be the trend of States going more with US Club Soccer than USYSA

NY Cup Recap

EM vs WC

ISA vs MSC

Massapequa vs Yankee or LaGrange

NYSC vs WC Hamm or Atletico

=========
NY NSC Applied Teams
Shrub Oak Athletic Club Girls United
Ballston Spa Soccer club
HBC Barracudas
LaGrange Soccer Club Lagrange Rage
Massapequa Soccer Club Hurricanes
NHP Wildcats Lady Jaguars
North Babylon Patriot SC Pride
Oceanside United
PLAINVIEW OLD BETHPAGE BREAKERS
Sachem Speed
Smithtown Red Stars

Anonymous said...

I think it is more simple than taht in NJ State Cup. In Spring, the two teams playing have a window of time to play their game including week days. Makes it easier on scheduling. Nothing else to it.

Anonymous said...

Thanks 2:16, very insightful!

So who do you like in the NY Cup finals, and the eventual champion?


Anonymous said...

I thought PDA and Match Fit don't need to play in state cup. Maybe B teams need to chase points. Guess top brass is sick of 2nd and 3rd flight disappointments.

Anonymous said...

2:25 I think there is more.

NPL teams can't play in NJ NCS unless they also play in EDP or CJYSA or Some other NJYSA league so they can have their player cards.

From looking at the list of teams the EDP teams are the only teams playing both State Cups as they have found away to provide that to their teams.

Anonymous said...

Such crap about State Cup

So.... Wildcats would have had to win one more game, maybe two

Why do you discount that this could have happened?

Anonymous said...

PDA Storm and Match Fit pre ECNL officially out of the spring NJC.

Anonymous said...

I have a Yankee United vs ISA final in NY (mild upsets, I know)

2 hungry teams

Anonymous said...

Why are you reading into it that way?

NJ Wildcats are the NJ NCS State Cup Champions, now that's either a NCAA title or an NIT title depending on who you ask. Why is that so important to you? I can see both sides and both sides have valid points.

Anonymous said...

I see Fall as the NIT.

Anonymous said...

Wildcats are the Rodney Dangerfield’s of New Jersey, they just cannot get any respect.

3:12, I like you boldness, Sir.

Did happy-hour start a little early at the office?

Anonymous said...

Match Fit Pre ECNL and PDA Storm will be attending Pre ECNL event in SC. I would rather have my child attend this event personally

Anonymous said...

So would I but that's only happening if you are on an ECNL team.

EM vs ISA
Yankee vs NYSC

EM vs NYSC

EM wins it all.

I can also see Sachem Speed winning NY NCS and joining NJ Wildcats in West Virginia

Anonymous said...

the 3rd spot at the NPL finals is still up for grabs

As the NPL Florida Premier League is still undecided. West Florida Flames 01 Elite Girls dropped their game leaving the door open for JFC Storm 01/02 (FL) who can clinch the title on March 1st when they play Boca United 01/02 F Gold-NPL (FL).

This was for all the NPL teams

Anonymous said...

This is also for the NPL teams

Lets give the 3rd spot to the NPL finals to U13 FC Alliance G they have 1 game left to play NPL South Atlantic Premier League with no team being able to catch them as they should hold the head 2 head tie breaker on all but Charloote who can’t catch them.

NPL FINALS 2015

OR#1 FC PORTLAND ACADEMY FC PORTLAND-01G-PRE-ECNL
TN #5 FC ALLIANCE 02G NPL
WA#13 MVPSA NAVY MARAUDERS 01

Anonymous said...

3:20 you are only correct if you only count the jealous posters on this board.
Wildcats are getting much respect from those that count, flight coordinators of top level nationally competitive tournaments and Region 1 Director and others who flighted Region 1 Champions League.
Which do you think really matter and which are meaningless.

Anonymous said...

Obviously who matters to you are the "idiots" on this board. You feel the need to respond.

Anonymous said...

Hey wildcats I'll go you one better.
Every one of the disrespectful posts come from NJ teams who found themselves in the 2nd or 3rd flights at Jeff Cup or Bethesda and desperately want to be the NJ team who has that respect and has earned the top flight spot at these tournaments.
Maybe next year guys.

Anonymous said...

Where do you think there will be more college coaches. Jefferson Cup or South Carolina at the ECNL tournament?

Anonymous said...

Wildcats have always been the highest ranked team in all of their tournament games, yet only have 1 win.

Hold back your mids, boot the ball form the back and hope the other teams defender falls down. That is the Wildcat Way.


Anonymous said...

6:33 have fun in those 2nd and 3rd flights.

Anonymous said...

Give the Wildcat's some credit. Their not a dirty team, plus their D-backs can kick the ball really far.

Anonymous said...

"Hold back your mids....."

Are the mids talented?

Could this team - Wildcats - be MORE effective playing a different system?

Anonymous said...

6:59

I think you are mistaken

I'd have to think the negativity re: Wildcats (ridiculous, by the way) comes from the ECNL contingent.

Dude - enjoy the attention. You earned it. And you dont have to defend your squad at every turn.

Anonymous said...

Why would it be coming from ecnl teams?

Do you think they wish they could trade places with wildcats.


Their success means nothing to the parents that think they are on the ECNL gravy train.


Anonymous said...

I think it is the Penn Legacy guy who is jealous of all the attention the Wildcats get.

Anonymous said...

8:49 I agree why would ECNL parents care about Wildcats? This love comes from close to home. This is a south jersey thing throwing mud at each other to recruit some players from the other team. Who else would care? Not like this is pro soccer it's u13 soccer the girls don't care

Anonymous said...

PAGS missed the boat in my opinion. They could have made D1 a NPL league covering PA, DE & MD

They have 12 solid clubs that would never leave for region 1 or join other Leagues, instead they would offer their champions a shot at a National event by just playing Fall/Spring Soccer

PA guys am I wrong, maybe I missed some clubs and included some I shouldn't have.

1776 United FC, PA
Delaware Rush, DE
FC Revolution, PA
Harford FC United, MD
HMMS Eagle FC, PA
LVY, PA
Penn Legacy, PA
Pennsylvania Classics, PA
PHWM SC, MD
Rage SC, PA
Ukrainian Nationals, PA
Yardley Makefield SA, PA

Anonymous said...

9:09

Um, no. The petty and frankly irrational criticism of that group of young ladies started before any of us knew this site existed. The lack of class from many(not all!) groups of Jersey parents is well known throughout the region. Just another example.

Anonymous said...

9:22

Forgive my ignorance on this one. The PA teams wishing to participate in the USYSA State Cup must play a USYSA "sanctioned" league. If PAGS were to become an NPL, would that still count? I know the girls would need to be carded through US Club Soccer as well but would they then be ineligible to play state cup due to the lack of league play?

Anonymous said...

11:43 So true.

Anonymous said...

11:43...

Amen!

Anonymous said...

11:57 I said PAGS D1 or call it something else.

If state cup was important they could play 3 games in another flight to qualify. I see they have these short season flights. Best of both worlds just like EDP which calls them cross over games.

Anonymous said...

PAGS TEAM REGISTRATION

Teams may register through any National Association, US Youth Soccer (USYS), American Youth Soccer Organization (AYSO), or US Club Soccer (USCS).

Anonymous said...

So find leagues that give out mad points for 1st 2nd and 3rd place in Spring AND Fall with only 2 real top teams in them and so you can then get invited to top bracket of tournaments to post ONE win. Is that what we should all be doing????? I just do not see it how that works long term.....

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