12:24I am not going to get into a conversation on the merits of any club. Especially the ones that I know nothing about. I can assure you, , I do not know much about the team, that everyone seems to have an opinion on , one way or another.Nor do I, or would I put any value in any parent knocking another team for gratitudes purposes on this board.I receive so much marketing materials from different teams. Some I have signed up for, some, I am not sure how I am on their e-mail distribution list. I assume others may be in the same boat.But I do indeed understand the sensitivity of the matter and why you may ask the question.-Soccer Nut-
If you are thinking about moving your daughter to a different club some of the things I would look at are below:How the teams plays.How many girls does the team carry? How many teams do they have at that age group?What are the girls like that play your daughters position?What league does the team play in and how do they do in the league.What tourneys does the team play in?If your daughter wants to play in soccer in college what is the clubs track record for putting players on college teams?Ask around about what the coach is like?Is there an asst coach? How many fields does the club own or use?There are so many questions but I would never look to see what the team is ranked. Maybe they are not that high and your daughter will make the difference. I think you have to do research on your own and decide what is best for your daughter. You know your daughter best.
the interview was part of the clubs monthly newsletter.It is also on their website and facebook page.It was not sent separately to anyone.If you wish you can remove yourself from the mailing list for the club newsletter.
10:12, Can't put much into that as a source, just seeing Wildcats at #59 loses all credibility.
2:13 I don't argue that but they aren't claiming the rankings are right they are saying if NJ WILDCATS AVERBUCH  33.48NJCSA GALAXY  31.66NJ Wildcats should win this game by 1.82. The closer to zero is a coin flip game. So when these teams played the score was10/18/2014 NJSCA GALAXY (NJ) 1-0The last tournament they playedMARYLAND UNITED FC ECNL  33.05PENN FUSION SA PRE ECNL  33.16FC VIRGINIA PRE ECNL  34.25They should have had 2 coin flip games and a loss to FC Virginia.Make what you will of the rankings, the site was designed more to compare teams.
Not sure I like it - but not that far off - of course if they have a team in their database multiple times you are not going to get an accurate reading - but at first glance - not bad when looking at NJ - basically their 1-5 is a coin flip game either team can win at any time- pretty much what this board has been saying.However, building on this wildcats should beat crush by almost 2 goals if we went by this site they beat NJ CRUSH FC TSUNAMI (NJ) 3-1 at NCS. Just another spin on the same conversation
the Gs rankings are not perfect, but at least they are objective and transparent.these other rankings are subjective and each age group is ranked by a coach or a club official in that age group(who else would know enough about the teams in a specific age group to rank them), while this might seem OK the reality has always been it lends itself to back room bargains and I'll scratch your back if you scratch mine deals between clubs.so there is no objective measure to insure the rankings were not influenced in any way.GS is the closest thing we have at this time to an objective rankings system with no influence peddling or shady deals behind the scenes.Just like college football right now, there will always be differences of opinion on rankings, but at least they are objective in GS.
GS rankings only calculates how many Got Soccer points a team has.It's really that simple. It is no where near an accurate measure of how goos or bad a team is.
4:12 true but at least you have to earn the points and can choose to enter the events that will result in points earned based on the points the other teams in the vents/league/tournament bring to the table.Not exact certainly, but the best and most objective we have at this point.Don't see how you can have an exact, objective system as is true with all rankings.
You really don't earn the points all the time with GS. Teams in certain leagues, that give out points to lure teams into that league, have inflated points. So when you beat those average teams with inflated points, you earn inflated points. The other rankings take into affect who these teams actually beat based on who they have beaten to determine the rankings. Leagues cannot affect that by giving out meaningless points. Again, not perfect, but closer to reality than GS.
Has anybody heard of any teams (in or out of NJ) planning to participate in Region 1's Champions League this Spring? Wouldn't think the pre-ECNL and NPL teams would do it but I'm wandering who that leaves.
I know wildcats are interested.
Who qualifies for Region 1 League?
not true @840, wildcats are looking at other options that are more attractive. region 1 champions league is not one.
That league must not give out enough GS points......
Some movement in GS rankings over the last week as end of season tournament results post.However, it still looks like some teams have points from EDP fall 2013. When do those falloff? GS indicates next to the event that it is ranked through June 2015 which doesn't make much sense.
EDP gaming the system for their own benefit. Makes the teams in EDP look stronger because of the extra GS points. It may fool some tournaments however.
The extra Fall 2013 points helps Wildcats, PDA South and NJSCSA. It hurts PDA ECNL, PDA North, MF ECNL, MG NPL and STA. It will be interesting to see the GS standings after Fall league games are added (other than EDP which has already added fall points).
Do we really care about the GS rankings??? Think we have exposed this to death by now.....
Looks like the wildcats are playing in the Eastern Development League South in the spring.
It will be interesting to see how GS manually enters the Northeast NPL.NYCSL NPL integrated GS into their website. New England NPL and EDL NPL uses GS. Virginia NPL will have to be manual as most of the other NPLS.I think the manual NPLs will get some points based on the teams that have ECNL/NPL in their team names. Having said that, you have a Pre-ECNL flight that should earn 10,000 points probably get a fraction of it because GS can't identify the teams. The funny thing is these teams hurt themselves by not naming their teams the proper way and then call out GS for not getting it right and being a flawed system
GS Top 5s as of today let'ssee how it changes.CASL has been manually entered.NJ WILDCATS AVERBUCHSTA MORRIS UNITED NPL 01PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY AJAXPLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY STORMNJCSA GALAXY===================================WORLD CLASS FC '01 CHARLTONEAST MEADOW HOTSHOTZATLETICO FC GIRLS '01ISA 01 NPLALBERTSON FURY '01 PRE-ECNL===================================PENN LEGACY FC 01 BLACKRAGE SC '01 ATHLETICAYARDLEY MAKEFIELD SOCCER YMS BANSHEESHMMS EAGLE FC 01 SPIRIT PENN FUSION SA '01G PRE-ECNL=====================================CFC WEST ORANGEFSA FC U13 GIRLS ELITE 01CFC ARSENAL SKYFSA FC U13 GIRLS PRE-ECNL 01OAKWOOD SC=====================================CES CALVERT CREW WHITEHARFORD FC UNITED THUNDERPIPELINE BLACKPHWM SC PUMASFC FREDERICK '01=====================================SOUTH SHORE SELECT U13 ELITENEFC ELITE U13 GIRLSBOSTON BREAKERS ACADEMY GU13 ECNLFC STARS OF MASSACHUSETTS NORTH UNITEDNEFC CENTRAL UNITED U13 GIRLS=====================================FC VIRGINIA PRE-ECNL 01 BRYC 01 ELITELOUDOUN SOCCER LOUDOUN 01 G RED PWSI COURAGE 01G REDVIENNA YOUTH SOCCER VYS PRIDE '01 RED======================================Top Drawer team from above states only 3 (5) PDA - 01 Pre-ECNL4 (6) East Meadow SC - Hotshotz 8 (11) New England FC - Elite (NON-ECNL) 12 (3) Braddock Road YC - Elite (Non-ECNL)15 (14 Match Fit Academy FC - Pre ECNL 16 (8) Boston Breakers Academy - ECNL 18 (23 Sachems FC (MA) - Speed (Non-ECNL)22 (25) FC Virginia - Pre-ECNL
I suppose if they(ECNL) cared enough, they would do just that. It appears GS is an after thought.The ECNL cares more about ECNL and national championships mixed in with college showcases for ECNL and an occasional non ecnl event.Perfect for showcasing talent at u15 and above.Venues are great.Nice experience.like most leagues, there is a top third middle third and bottom third of teams,Difference is bottom third is better than bottom third of any league.Top third is hard for anyone to argue withmiddle third competes with very best of non ecnl teams throughout the country.
Ok GS Standings change once looks as Wildcats foam fingers need to be returned to the manufacturer. Again who ever follows GS points are so misguided to the soccer world.
Can they make "We're #6" foam? Need two hands now, so cost increases.
Thanks for compiling the top 5s.Now, what are they really?
Can anyone tell me something about SACHEMS out of Massachusetts?Jersey teams have been playing the best teams from up there, but I have never heard of them.Suddenly this club is all over the top of the rankings
8:52I'll argue with thatThe top teams in the pre-ecnl have lost more often than not this fall to similarly ranked teams from other leagues.PDA(ecnl #1)lost to Calvert (EDP #2) 2-3, East Meadow (pre-ecnl #2 lost to Athletico (NYCSL #1) 0-1, and Match Fit (pre-ecnl #3 loses to BRYC) 0-2. Great teams all, but the ecnl are not on some kind of different level from other leagues top teams as suggested. The middle can match up against the middle of a number of leagues, but that can be said about most 4-8's. Given the chance to play top teams in other leagues they have certainly not shown to be better, far from it see: FSA vs STA, PF vs PL, BB vs. SS Select, FC Stars vs. NEFC, etc.And the bottom 3 have consistently lost to the bottom teams from a number of other leagues all fall. Hardly better than any other league's bottom teams.All in all, its an average league, don't kid yourself.
10:40, totally agree, but that is not going to change anything, they think their there only show in town, even if they lose, it does not matter, its the league that counts for them, its the country club mentality.
foam finger joke is funny but you can't knock the team. They are doing pretty well for themselves.
10:45 Doesn't matter what they think, its the results that matter.
10:47It's the results I'm looking at, and again they are average( at least in a conversation about elite teams and leagues)
what results are you referring to?
10:37Sachem Speed is out of NYE. At least they were, I don't think they are a team anymore. The only reasons they are "all over the rankings" is that 1. they won the region 1 11 v 11 championship (against some pretty average teams) and 2. they beat PDA Storm, which at this point shouldn't be viewed as quite as highly as it is. Sachem is not high on got soccer, and the other ranking site is just a joke.
10:40.Forgive me for not clarifying.I meant at u15 when all player movement is about done.if you look at u15's and above, there is no debate.Even the lower flighted ecnl teams are stronger than most top non ecnl teams.At u13 you will have some strong teams inside and outside of the ecnl teams.A team like east meadow at u13 and PDA storm and breakers are clearly in the top 7 teams in the region.These teams will follow the path of the older teams before themLooking at top 6 teams in the pre ecnl group, it is hard to find a non ecnl league with a top 6 equal to this 6 in the region.Please go ahead and try.whether a one off team in the region has a game success or tie is not my point. It is the league that seems to have no equal.Please post a 6 teams that play in the same league and we will compare the two leagues for strength.
11:17I know you want to talk about what these teams are GOING to be. sometime in the future, maybe, at college showcases, after half your teams been replaced or whatever. But the conversation was about the strength of leagues right now in the fall of 2014, not what anyone THINKS they will be in 4 years. So the results are I refer to are those listed. 8 games between similarly ranked(in their leagues not GS) teams top and middle of ecnl vs other leagues. You can look up the results of the bottom teams vs similarly ranked teams on your own time, not any better. So again, right now it is an average league in Region 1, not as good as EDP Central or Virginia NPL. And I will add to that. Ecnl teams DO care about GS rankings when it suits them. They are proud to brag when they are on top and let them do so. You see it may not matter to the flight committees, but to a 13-16 yr old girl, seeing her team at #1 in state, reg, or nation, even for a short time is pretty cool. Trying to take that feeling away from them for whatever motivation people have, is just sad.
11:52Please post a league that has an equal or better 6 in the region than the Pre ecnl league/I look forward to matching them up side by side
Even World Class at Nubmer 9 in that Pre-ECNL division would be top 1-3 in any other league including NE NPL and EDP Central.
Nobody is taking anything away from the girls as they do not know any better. They have played well and are a good team. The debate has always been but is it right for them. Meaning is chasing points to just say a site has you at #1 at U13 when your league plays into giving inflated points setting them up to succeed when it counts. Many say no. That is all..... They do need to enjoy the current success. Many just think that it is a very short sighted way of looking at it....
If you are going to match side to side you should go 8 teams in each league.
11:59.I wanted to make it a little easier for them.
11:52 I will provedsome support to this conversation, take what you will from it.PS. I couldn't agree with you more about a 13&16 year old kid seeing their team as #1 on theinternet is huge these days for them. Regardless of what we think or the club thinks. If they are into the sport they don't need us to do their research and don't be surprisedif some of the posters are kids.Atletico beat EM but lost to the number 8 & 9 teams from Pre-ECNL leagueBRYC beat MF and tied the number 6 team from Pre-ECNL LeagueSTA tied PDA and beat the number 8 & 9 teams from pre-ECNL leagueSS beat BB and also lost to BB a few days after plus they also lost to the #7 team in the Pre-ECNL leagueNEFC has lost to EM, BB and FC Stars - they have not beat a Pre-ECNL team yet.PL & Calvert only played 1 team and got the winTo me this shows that the 8 & 9 teams are able to hang and win against hese elite non-ecnl teams you mentioned more times than not that makes this a great flight and a great league. For those lucky to play in, they will become better evenif they are at a -25 GDTeams you mentioned vs NE Pre-ECNL teamsW7, L7, T2
11:19Sachem Speed is ATLETICO
Thank you 12:26!!!
Wow - lots of posts just POOF - disappearing
OK, Here goes:EDP Central vs the mighty ecnlEDP only has 9 teams so:Top 3, middle 3, bottom 3Only 1 head to head to reference so EDP #2 Calvert over ECNL #1 PDA1-0 EDPWildcats vs East Meadow , assuming EDP #1 is better than EDP #2 and that ECNL#1 is better than ECNL#2 than then I will take Wildcats over East Meadow(also Wildcats tied Legacy who crushed Athletico 3-0, and Athletico beat East Meadow twice in last 6 Mo.) Two ways to get there but same assumption, Wildcats win2-0 EDPSTA vs. Matchfit since both teams played even with their only common opponent PDA Storm I will call this one a draw as well2-0-1 EDPMiddle 3NJSCA Galaxy vs Penn Fusion, say what you want but I will take Galaxy, their physical play tops PF's skill advantage right now(not that G lacks skill) Also, only common opponent I see is Legacy, both lost but Galaxy was 1-3 PF1-5. Galaxy3-0-1 EDPPipeline vs. Conn. Any team who can beat Calvert and put a 5-0 beating on Match Fit Black should be able to handle Conn. No common opponents and Pipelines inconsistent so I will concede a draw here3-0-2 EDPLVU vs FSA, No doubt here FSA is the stronger side3-1-2 EDPMF Black vs Albertson, last meeting MF got the better of Albertson, nothing this fall makes it look like a different result would be expected. MF4-1-2 EDP Harford vs Continental. Last meeting was a year ago and resulted in a 1-1 draw. Since then both have played YMS Harford won, Cont lost. Plus Harford had a very impressive showing at WAGS, even tying Tophat, but Cont can't show similar results this fall. Win for Harford5-1-2 EDPNJ Flash vs FC Bucks, Last meeting was only a month ago and was won by Flash 2-0. Same result likelySo heres my prediction on 9 games by similarly ranked teams EDP Central vs Pre-ecnl:6-1-2 in favor of EDP Central
12:37That explains a lot. Why did they not take their points and list themselves as( formerly known as ...) on got soccer? How is it that neither GS or top drawer seem to know this?
1:24 that is the most ridiculous post that has been in this site. No response is even warranted.
1:30And that is the biggest co-out I've seen on this site. I showed you how these teams match up head to head or against similar opponents and draw the conclusion of who would win based on past performance. Want to compare GS points. Of coarse you don't! Tournament wins? Prob not. How would you like to compare them. Your personal feelings?
1:24, you ignored three pre ECNL teams because doing so fit the story you wanted to demonstrate a little better. You know the argument you made is dishonest. Match the top 9 against the top 9, and ignore completely the bottom three in pre ecnl if you really want to draw the comparison a little more accurately. Or don't. The whole thing is silly anyway. The reason people hate the ECNL is because a lot of the ECNL blowhards believe that being in the ECNL makes their team infinitely better (talent/skill-wise). It doesn't mean that, and truly objective people get this. The truth is, there isn't a lot to reference in recent history, but there is the potential for some awesome games between the haves and the have nots.What truly makes the ECNL superior, like it or not, is the college recruiting advantage it provides. It exists. And you resent that.
How do you conveniently skip the MA teams just to get to the bottom 3 in ECNL? Smooth. So you have to redo your matchups after the first 3 (FC Bucks, Albertson & Continental not even in the discussion)If the top 8 Pre ECNL teams played the top 8 EDP Central teams it would likely go 6-1-1 ECNL and I think I am being kind with the 1 win, there may be an additional tie.
1:30 - Agreed
So in a discussion regarding the overall strength of a league, I am supposed to ignore the bottom third of yours? HAHAHA, thats typical for the ecnl. No. I matched top 3 vs top 3, middle 3 vs middle 3, and bottom 3 vs bottom 3. Fair as can be. 12 ecnl teams vs 9 EDP, 3 have to be omitted, simple math. The fact that you don't think thats fair says a lot. Even so EPD 1-3 would beat pre-ecnl 1-3 four out of 5 times right now. Maybe it will be different in a year or two, time will tell.
Non ECNLs in New Jersey getting better, not worse
12:37.I was the original poster that asked for a simple comparison between the top 6 teams in the ECNL vs. any other league.A simple 6 teams on paper vs your 6 six teams on paper would be all you need to do.one league vs another- not one league vs several or a comparison of who beat who and leaviing out 3 teams to suit your purposes.Just keep it simple; Here are 9PDAEast meadowMatchFit-not black but ECNLBoston BreakersFC StarsPenn FusionCFCFSAWorld Class.Now lets see your 9 or 6if that would be easier, but remember they actually have to play each other in league play. no mixing leagues.Truth of the matter is you can't keep it simple because a simple comparison would expose the truth, something you are having a hard time admitting to.it doesn't mean Calvert or wildcats or STA or penn fulegacy aren't worthy it just means that their is no collective league where these teams can week in and week out against teams that will give their girls a run for their money week in and week out.next question-if they ECNL allowed these worthy teams to come in an be part of this league, would they come in or would they say NO Thank you. of course they would come in and they would advertise to the hilt that their team is part of the ECNL league.
2:07ECNL does have an advantage with being seen by recruiters - trueThis goes mostly for parents too lazy to do the proper legwork.
It should be 9 vs 9 (not 8). If you are going to cherry pick which 9 from ECNL you may as well leave the top 3 out altogether then. Take the bottom 9 and compare if that makes you sleep better at night. Ridiculous.
No dog in this fight, but maybe you should do top four pre-ECNL vs top three EDP, etc? This way all teams are represented?
Pretty impressive List!
a simple list, no smoke screen, for all to see.
So you have NEVER beaten or I think even tied East Meadow but now you say you would beat them?
It tough when you can't present a simple list for comparison.Hopefully we can now move on.And you bet your bottom the those clubs would send out emails that they are now part of the ECNL.
2:50No. The original poster was at 8:52 and wrote:"Difference is bottom third is better than bottom third of any league"But now when I prove that to be far from true, by including the bottom third in the comparison, I am cherry picking. Priceless!If you have to ignore your weakest teams to prove your leagues superiority, overall it is what IU said average
EDP Central would be more closely compared to the NE NPL. That would be pretty close, even a nod to EDP with the recent success of Wildcats and Calvert.
They wouldn't just send an email, it would be an all out social media blitz.
3:00Not a Wildcat so don't assume. Just looking at what you two have done against common opposition. My methodology is spelled out EDP 1,2,3 vs ECNL 1,2,3. Flipped 1 & 2 because of a recent head to head but did so both ways so neither side gets an advantage.
3:32- Appreciate the humor to break up the the day.
League strength is in the following order:1) Pre-ECNL2) NE NPL3) EDP
2:56OK, sounds fair. Heres my guess;The top 3 teams in the EDP would beat all top 4 of the ecnl for all the same reasons they would beat the top 3. Just as skilled and more physical. If Calvert can beat PDA, and the Wildcats can beat Calvert than both should be able to beat a team(BB) that lost to both PDA & MF. The middle 4 teams in the ecnl would go 3-1 against the EDP with Galaxy pulling off the lone win for the EDP. Doesn't matter how you match them up.The bottom 4 teams for the ecnl would go 1-3 against the EDP, again for the same reasons I showed above. WC would clearly beat any of them(EDP) and most of the teams in the higher "brackets" (both EDP & ecnl) as well, that based on what they have done outside the ecnl bubble league. So how would that change my earlier comparison? Well, out of 12 games the EDP would now "only" win 8 of 12( more often than not), clearly making the EDP the top league this fall. But again thats just based on what they have ACTUALLY done against common opponents but what does that really mean? But all great teams no doubt. Yes it would be nice if the NE ecnl teams would stop hiding from top competition( or better yet just shut up about their supposed superiority) so a better comparison could be made (i.e playing in their private leagues(unlike pre-ecnl's in other regions!), entering only 1 major tournament per season(fall), refusing to play their state cups, etc. etc.) Again, the results the ecnl has shown this fall against non ecnl competition has got to be disappointing.3:32Glad I can make you laugh! I too laugh when I hear terms like "gold standard" and "super league" and then look at the results of ecnl vs non ecnl games. Its hilarious to me to know we're paying half to a third as much as some people. Meanwhile our daughters are winning tournaments they(ecnl) won't show up at, and state cup championships they won't participate in, playing with their best friends and having the time of their lives as teenagers. Of coarse it won't be nearly as funny watching all our state and reg. ODP players taking just as many top college slots in a few years but hey, if you can afford 5-10K a year for your kid to play soccer you probably didn't need that scholarship anyway.
My first stab at league strength would be in the following order:1- Pre ECNL2- NE NPL3- NWSL (National Women's Professional League)4- EDP
NYCSL rules! If you agree, let me hear an Amen!
Let me take a stab at logic used by the EDP fan above. Games against NE NPL teams. I think only 1. PDA South beat Wildcats. Therefore, team order of rank. 1) PDA North2) MF NPL 3) PDA South4) Wildcats5) Calverts
6:06Now that made me laugh6:28Don't put too much stock in that loss. It was a consulation game following an emotion letdown of losing a three way shootout. Not saying the cats mailed it in or anything but it wasn't their finest game. And the "logic" isn't based on one game from one league vs 1 from another at random. It was all either head to head in the last 6 months or 1 common opponent. In other words if team A beats team B by 2, and team B beats Team C by 2 then I will assume that right now team A is better than team C. Not too complicated it you passed algebra 1. Maybe we should look at tournament wins this fall if that's too complicated
Just because a team enters more tournaments doesn't make them better. That is warped logic and I have post grad math credits beyond Calc IV.
You can't count one win or loss and not count others. It makes your argument sink. I stand by my logic 6:57. Same as yours. Rank 1) PDA North2) MF NPL3) PDA South4) Wildcats5) Calvert
You want simpleTop 4 EDP teams ( I did not count STA because they are NYCSL NPL) vsPAGS (0 wins, GP9, GF5, GA18)Pre-ECNL (1 win, GP3, GF4, GA5)NE NPL (1 win, GP3, GF4, GA6)NJ WildcatsPre-ECNL (0 wins, GP1, GF0, GA0)NE NPL (0 wins, GP1, GF1, GA3)PAGS (0 wins, GP1, GF1, GA1)CalvertPre-ECNL (1 win, GP1, GF3, GA2)NE NPL (1 win, GP1, GF3, GA0)PAGS (0 wins, GP1, GF1, GA1)PipelinePAGS (0 wins, GP4, GF1, GA10)NE NPL (0 wins, GP1, GF0, GA3) Pre-ECNL (0 wins, GP1, GF1, GA3) NJCSA GalaxyPAGS (0 wins, GP3, GF2, GA6)But if you want to see STAPre-ECNL (2 wins, 3GP, GF4, GA2)NE NPL (1 win, GP1, GF2, GA0)
PDA North: NE NPL 1st PlaceMF NPL: NE NPL 2nd PlacePDA South: NE NPL 3rd Place NJ Wildcats: NJ State Champs no team that played in the tournament can be higher. However, PDA Ajax did not play and beat NJ Wildcats 3-1. Calvert: lost to NJ Wildcats, Beat PDA Storm 3-2 but lost to Pipeline 1-2, also Beat MF 3rd team 1-0, not NPL team or Pre-ECNL.
When a game ends in a tie, but the event requires 1 team to advance so PKs are required, is the official result of that game a tie?
ok 6;03( wildcat parent i will post your league for a side by side comparison) so we can all see what you are talking about
8:30 yes, in soccer it is officially a tie, as pk's are only used when one team must advance after a tie in reg and overtime.Wildcats have played more than 1 pre-ecnl this fall.'played FVC 2x 0-0 tie at wags and 1-2 loss at bethesda.Wildcats beat maryland united red pre-ecnl 1-0wildcats tied penn fusion pre-ecnl 0-0record vs pre-ecnl this fall is 1 w 1 loss 2 ties
6:03 - we left a non ECNL team and went to an ECNL team and now we pay less. So I am not sure where u get your money figures from.
lol 8;36by your reasoning then PDA and Calvert were a tie as they went to PKS.
8:05So you are saying entering a team into 32 quality matches a season is no better than 16 for their development? More playing time doesn't "make them better"? We will just have to disagree. 8:09Not discarding anything. Ajax lost to the wildcats 6 weeks earlier so its a wash. Besides, the only comparison being made was EDP vs ECNL. Ajax doesn't factor into either.8:09Not sure why I wouldn't include STA Morris since they played in EDP this fall. My point has been that EDP was the better league this fall, we can argue next year based on next years entrants when the time comes.Going back 6 months I see 6 head to head games between the top 4 EPD teams and NE pre-ecnl teams 4 wins, 2 ties, no losses. top 4 vs top 4 only 1 win Calvert over PDA and 1 tie STA & PDA. If you want to throw PAGS in I think they are like 5-0 against NE Pre-encl but no games with top vs top just bottom vs bottom worth comparing.8:36The comparison being made is strictly between EPD Fall 2014 vs Northeast Girls NPL Pre-ecnl League Fall 2014. Its not an argument that the Wildcats can beat everyone. If you want to throw FCV and Maryland Utd.into the mix, fine, but then lets not forget the rest of the ecnl clubs in Reg 1. Bethesda, McClean, and Richmond too. Lets take the 17 ecnl clubs that were basically hand picked by the ecnl organizers and compare head to head games played against the 17 top non-ecnl clubs at U-13 this fall(so with current rosters) I will suggest the non ecnl teams have won 60% tied 20% and lost 20%9:05Nice try but thats not what I said, one win, one loss, call them even and look for more supporting evidence which I think I gave way up above.PDA lost to Calvert, PKS or not. PDA tied STA Morris, an objective observer would look at game results and say that EDP # 2(Calvert) is slightly better than ECNL #1(PDA). And that EPD#3(STA) is even with ECNL #1(PDA). One could easily extrapolate that EDP#1(NJ Wildcats) are better(this fall) than all of them.
9:37You team keeps comparing and contrasting themselves to the PDA team.why is that?
8:53Are you including travel?My numbers come from a former ecnl parent, so if I'm wrong feel free to correct.Basic Fees $2400-$3200 not incl tournamentsTourn Fees $60-$80 each so easily another $500/yr.Travel- Numerous non-drivable events, plane tickets, bus rentals, dozens of hotel nights and restaurant meals.And don't forget the coachs' travel expenses $?Easily $6K and I have heard up to 10!!! all included.
EDP League 1: NJ WILDCATS AVERBUCH 2: CES CALVERT CREW WHITE 3: STA MORRIS UNITED NPL 01 4: NJSCA GALAXY 5: PIPELINE SC BLACK 6: LEHIGH VALLEY UNITED LVU 01 GIRLS 7: MATCH FIT ACADEMY FC BLACK 8: HARFORD FC UNITED THUNDER 9: JERSEY PREMIER SOCCER FLASH PRE EcNL PDA East meadow MatchFit-not black but ECNL Boston Breakers FC Stars Penn Fusion CFC FSA World Class.Which league would you want your daughter to play in. It appears that Matchfit put their 3rd team in the EDP league.CASE CLOSED!
wow edp league pretty thin
Hey 10:04 the post 9:37 is not from wildcats. He has already said that.We are attacked enough as it is without getting blamed for posts from outside our team.
This is how foolish this compare of EDP to Pre-ECNL sounds.If NJ Wildcats are tops in EDP and they lost to the 3rd place NE NPL team who also smacked the NYCSL NPL Fall champion 6-0 who beat STA 3-2. Wait they also beat Sachem who beat the #1 Pre-ECNL team at Regionals. So that makes NE NPL the best league.. Right?Stop with this EDP business – NJ Wildcats, Calvert and STA and that’s all. NYCSL NPL, only has NYSC, STA and NJ CrushNE NPL only has PDA North/South, MF & CFCPre-ECNL goes 9 deep in a league with 12 teams.It’s okay to play in a league other than Pre-ECNL it’s not the end of the world.However, if EDP, NYCSL PL and NE Premiership partner up for this USA Champions league, that could have some nice teams to supplement NPL for some teams and also blow away the Region1 Champions League
10:04Actually the conversation started with an assertion that the NE ecnl league was far superior to all others in Region 1. Hard to compare leagues without mentioning teams, and of course since PDA is #1 in that league they are going to get the bulk of the attention along with MF. Much like Wildcats and Calvert on the other side. But I see what you are insinuating so let me say I will agree with you! PDA IS the gold standard of girls soccer clubs, at least here in the NE. But its not because they are a member of the ecnl, just the opposite. They were made a member of the ecnl because they are the gold standard. But that doesn't mean that every year their team is going to be the best in NJ, but the club itself will be for years to come.
The best teams must include the top players. Unless being a top player some how equates with having a spare 5 thousand bucks a year available for soccer, lots of top players and the teams they play on are not in ecnl.
It's true, Ajax did smack NYSC pretty good in August, but I am pretty sure they would not do that again, they learned from that weekend, and only had 1 loss the rest of the fall, a loss to Tophat 20, the eventual Wags champions. Personally, I find all this who is better talk laughable, since opinions are already formed, and anyone can salvation in statistics.Go NYSC
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10:21 - All clubs are different with fee's. Our old club and new club were basically the same in initial fee. At neither club do we pay for tourneys,or coaches travel expense. Those costs would be in the Club fee. Have never had to fly anywhere, yet. Although you are correct with travel expenses being more with ECNL vs NonECNL. So overall costs is a little more. Although as they get older the cost and travel usually go up. Old club goes to college showcases like Disney.
Here is how I would rank 'em in NJ:1- PDA North2- MF NPL3- PDA South4- Skyblue5- Wildcats
How could you put Sky Blue ahead of the Wildcats? Who have the best or tied?
How so "Although you are correct with travel expenses being more with ECNL vs NonECNL. "A good team that plays in a bunch of tournaments can rack up the miles. I will use the current flavor of the month - the NJ Wildcats:WV -USYSA Region 1 MD - BethesdaVA -WAGSVA JeffersonThey went to VA twice and MD once all require an over night stay.They are the NJ NCS champions which booked them a trip to West Virginia. Since GS has them ranked so high they are favorites to advance to the Nationals in Oklahoma this summer.Wait they are an EDL team with no competition so they should also be heading to Indiana for the NPL finals. Reading this board and it sounds like they are all about Soccer Domination -so my guess is they enter the US Club NJ State Cup a win there sends them to Indiana again.So to answer your question Non-ECNL teams can travel all over the place.Calvert, who has come to NJ, PA and has also played in VA plus FL this weekend also travels. Since they are also ranked very high they are also favorites to go to West Virginia with a chance at Oklahoma.So ECNL pays more for travel expenses is just a Myth. If your kid plays on a good team - YOU WILL PAY.
" If your kid plays on a good team - YOU WILL PAY."That is a true statement. There are ECNL teams that travel less then EDP teams. Although the way the teams in ECNL are spread out they do a lot of traveling for the league. Also, only allowed to play 1 game a day in ECNL. So weekends in MA, CT, NY and possibly PA and NJ.
8:56 Agreed for ECNL teams they have their 2 Events plus Playoffs and Finals plus those road games. So I can see why they don't go to a lot of tournaments to travel and pick local events to get everyone some PT.For the Non-ECNL teams the good teams will travel to FL, VA, MD, PA, NJ, NY & MA to play the big tournaments plus the NCS series which has a stay a the Region 1 tournament and possibly the national tournament.Good teams will travel and we will pay - that is a given like taxes.
If your kid plays on a so called top team you will PAY!!!! No guarantee to play though. Just went to Bethesda it cost $110 per player for fees for tournament, coaches room, coaches travel stipend, coaches gas and tolls. Room was $129 per night. 4 teams from the same club staying at the same hotel. Figure 16 rooms per team. So a group booking of 64 rooms and the best negotiated rate is $129 per night. Been in travel business for a long time. Most hotels offer a free room for every 10-15 rooms booked. So who is getting the free rooms? The underprivileged players, or the coache?. If its the coaches, then your paying double, because they are charging each player for the coaches room. Wake up people
Since I know someone was asking yesterday, just got an email from Champions League saying acceptances won't be out today as expected. Looks like Saturday.
9:23 is correct, and Mf and PDA parents are charged separately for coaches, room, gas and tolls(or miles), hotel and meals stipend,(we usually kick in $50-$65. per family for the coaches exp for each tournament)At some clubs this is paid for by the club.
10:31 isn't that part of the tuition? Club fee, Coaches' Salary, Travel Expense, Training, Field Maint, Field Rentals, Tournaments, leagues, Insurance and ref Fees?Stop with the nickle and dimes. The parents on these teams play hundreds of dollars,they knew it before their kids played and they know it know.Parent's will leave to give their kid a better opportunity not because they have extra rooms at no cost.
Who did NYSC beat after the AJAX waxing?I see a win vs STA in NPL. Anyone else of note?
10:21 Call me crazy but probably the one with 3 of the top 10 teams in the nation in it. Plus I'd rather see them play MF Black, Harford, and JP Flash twice than the bottom 3 of ecnl(which you seem to have forgotten to mention). Sure the middle is better in the ecnl, but the upper 3 were better in the edp and the lower 3 aren't as much of a drop off. A lot less unnecessary travel every other weekend too. Plus I hear those ecnl teams aren't very physical, I wouldn't want anyone to get hurt. All in your perspective. Also, an 8 game league as opposed to 11 would give us an extra free weekend to head down south to a tournament with BRYC, FCV, and/or Tophat. They are looking better than just about anyone up here right now.
10:50No, foolish is ignoring 20 head to head matches with common opponents that all seem to favor the edp as being stronger this fall, at least on top, or asl irrelevant, but instead focusing on 1 consolation game that neither team probably cared about, to prove a league we aren't even talking about is better.Follow this, based ONLY on most recent head to heads, EDP vs ecnl, no "salvaging of statistics", etc.Wildcats are 2 goals better than PDA 4/6/14Calvert is 1 goal better than PDA 10/12/14And STA is even with PDA 10/11/14Makes sense since Wildcats are 1 goal better than Calvert 11/8/14 and 2 goals better than STA 10/5/14PDA is even with Match Fit 10/09/14 which is even with East Meadows 9/6/14.Again, these are the EXACT goal differentials of the most recent meetings of all of these teams.So PDA , MF (ecnl), EM, and STA are all equally matched teams. Calvert has proven to be 1 goal better than PDA and STA( and as such the whole evenly matched group) and the Wildcats are 2 goals better than both PDA and STA(and again that whole group) based on most recent head to head matches.So it looks like this:+2 NJ Wildcats+1 Calvert Crew0 Group incl STA, MF, PDA, EMNo matter how you slice it EDP top 3 look better than the top 3 ecnl teams right now based on results, not opinions.I could argue EDP 4 beats ECNL 4 based on their only common opponent(s) in the last yr. but that would just confuse so call it a drawBottom 3 EDP hands down better than bottom 3 ecnl. I don't think anyone would argue that right now, maybe different in a yr. though,they are great clubs, but not now.So ECNL 5-9 can beat EDP 5&6. Yep. Does that make it a stronger league overall? Not in my opinion. If you would play a 12 game schedule against the EDP( by adding second games with 3 random teams) you would have a tougher overall schedule than playing 1 game against each of the ecnl teams. Likewise if you randomly removed 3 teams from the ecnl league you would have an easier 9 game schedule than you would vs playing one game each against the EDP teams). But believe what you want, I am willing to bet the Wildcats, Calvert, and STA will keep tying and beating the best teams in the region like they have been doing all fall, proving they should be considered among the top reg teams, and that the ecnl teams will continue to show poorly in tournaments( against top non ecnl teams), proving most still have work to do before we should automatically assume any team with an ecnl tag is elite.It's all moot now though. My point was only which league would have been the better overall experience this fall and I stand by that. 20/20 hindsight. Next yr that league won't be the same, ecnl will. If EDP, based on its strength this fall can attract the top PAGS teams Legacy, and YMS, and Ajax and MF NPL( if they are still Matchfit) see the value of traveling south instead of north, we replace the current bottom 4, and EDP would easily be the stronger league next fall as well - top 9 vs top 9 or however you want to measure it. Add BRYC to the mix and there's no question. One can only dream.I do like the idea of of NYE and NE combining their top non ecnl teams as well. Add the other 5 region 1 ecnl teams into the current league but divide a/b. That would give the region 3 ReALLY strong leagues of 8-9 teams each instead of having them spread out amongst 8. Champions league of top 9 teams in the spring? Again, One can only dream!
Wasnt aware the tournamenet that was in RI last year moves to W VA. Should be a nice experience for Wildcats.I do think NJ Cedar Stars Academy gives Wildcats a good run in EDLGetting to a NATIONALS off a 5 game league IS pretty ridiculous
May I lkso addWould love to see Wildcats victorious in WVA, bring back a title to Jersey, which PDA Storm was unable to do a year ago.
You sure about the bottom 3 in EDP vs bottom 3 in Pre-ECNL?EDP bottom 3 are W1, L2, T2, GF5, GA6 vs Bottom 3from pre-ECNL8/24/2014 FC BUCKS ESPRIT ECNL 2-1 vs JPS11/23/2013 CFC Delco 1-1 vs HARFORD FC UNITED THUNDER 6/15/2014 MF North Black 0-0 vs FC BUCKS ESPRIT ECNL6/15/2014 MF North Black 2-0 vs FC BUCKS ESPRIT ECNL 5/24/2014 Albertson 3-1 vs MF North BlackEdge Pre-ECNL head to headSo once we remove these 6 teams we are left with 5 vs 9Are you telling me LVU and Pipeline can hang with the 9 pre-ECNL teamsStop please :)
Stop with all this nonsense. Its all about the Wildcats trying to prove how good they are. Not worth replying. Fall season is over or almost over for all these teams. Let's see what happens in the Spring.
12:06 So would I - then they get to go to Tulsa OK plus Indiana for NPL and Like i said if they win NJ State Cup they stay 2 weeks in Indiana.They can come home with aUSYSA National titleNPL National TitleUS Club national title something No team has done and probably will ever do. I hope they have those vacation days saved and some serious money put aside GO WILDCATS bring home the 3
Curious does the coach travel for free?or does he/she have to pay for heir travel plus hotel?
Based on the conversations over the past couple days, the new NJ top 101) PDA Pre-ECNL2) MF Pre-ECNL3) PDA North NPL4) MF NPL5) PDA South NPL6) Wildcats7) STA8) Crush9)TSF10) NJCSA
Sorry - Dragone way too high
11:51, just curious about your comment. So who gets to decide what a team of note is, you? Okay, so lets say that you are the person who is going to decide what teams are worthy of mention. What makes you qualified to judge said teams? Please be specific, what are your qualifications?
Only the facts in the ratings. PDA Pre-ECNL and MF Pre-ECNL beat most comers this fall. PDA North NPL won their division so they should be ahead of MF NPL and PDA South NPL. Wildcats would be higher except they lost to PDA South NPL. Wildcats beat Crush, STA and NJCSA.
PDA North ranked 3. You have got to be kidding.
On wildcats U13 team the club pays for coaches travel(gas and tolls), hotel and a food stipend.Parents on that team have never had to chip in for that coaches expenses.
10:46 it is not part of what the tuition pays for at MF and PDA.The coaches travel expenses are a separate charge to each teams parents and each tournament they receive a bill combining the coaches travel and expenses and the tournament application fee..
I'll have some fun.Qualifications:Euro who played soccer overseas.Big fan of the gameHave watched Women's soccer for the last 4 years since my girls showed an interest beyond it being a social event.If we are sticking to just NJ.1. PDA Pre-ECNL (1st in Standings)2. MF Pre-ECNL(3rd in Standings)3. NJ Wildcats (NJ State Champs and EDP on par with NE Girls NPL)4. PDA North (1st in standings)5. MF NPL (really want them at #4 but they did finish 2nd in standings)6. STA (3rd in standings in EDP and some quality results vs Pre-ECNl teams7. PDA South (3rd in standings but loss to PDA North and MF NPL does not justify a higher seed)8. NJCSA my wildcard solid results always in it - if they combine teams for NPL would be edge of NJ Crush and TSF 9. NJ Crush10. TSFhonorable mention Atlantic - gets opportunity at NEWSS and BOCA good results in recent tournaments but still in MAPS flight of EDP both need EDP D1 to be considered.Just my opinion Region 1 would be a lot harder but would like to take a crack at top 15 later on,need to research PAGS, CCL and WAGS before I can comment.
team pool to rank Region 1 top 15NEPFC STARS OF MASSACHUSETTS NORTH UNITED FC STARS OF MASS WEST PRE ECNL SACHEMS FC SFC 01/02GNew England NPLNEFC ELITE U13 GIRLSOAKWOOD SCSEACOAST UNITED ELITE - DR- 01/02BAYSIDE FC BOLTS NPL RED 01/02 EDL NPLNJ WILDCATS AVERBUCH NJCSA13G LVUTSFEDPCES CALVERT CREW WHITE NE Girls NPLPDA 01 U13 Pre-ECNLEast Meadow SC 01 U13 Pre-ECNLMatch Fit Academy 01 U13 Pre-ECNLBoston Breakers Academy 01 U13 Pre-ECNLFC Stars of Mass 01 U13 Pre-ECNLPenn Fusion SA 01 U13 Pre-ECNLConnecticut FC 01 U13 Pre-ECNLFSA FC 01 U13 Pre-ECNL World Class FC 01 U13 Pre-ECNLPDA North 01 NPLMatch Fit Academy 01 NPLPDA South 01 NPL Connecticut FC 01 NPL NYCSL NPLNew York Soccer Club NPL-01STA NPL-01NJ Crush FC NPL-01NYCSL PLAtletico FC Girls '01Virginia NPlVIRGINIA RUSH ATHLETIC CLUB U13G FC VIRGINIA U13G PAGSPA CLASSICS Academy 01 PENN LEGACY 01 BlackYMS Banshees CCLFC FrederickBraddock Road BRYCMaryland United SOCA WAGSMSC Blaze White No LeagueSOUTH SHORE SELECT U13 ELITEFC Virginia Pre-ECNLNYSW Thruway LeagueGBSA SELECT U10
PWSI was cut off from Virginia NPL list and should be part of the discussion
12:21I really don't want to be specific about these 6 teams, not fair to them since even being "bottom 3" in these leagues still makes them great teams able to beat 90% of those out there. Especially the ecnl clubs since they have such great coaches and programs. Having said that:The most recent game between FCBucks and JPS was NOT 8/24 it was 10/12 and JPS won 2-0, you must have not seen it.MF Black(used to be Jaguars blue?) is 1-0-1 against FCB as well, but I don't put much stock in last year as a number of these teams were still 8v8Not going to comment on games played 7-12 months ago, about as relevant as u-9 right nowContinental is losing to some pretty week teams right now(incl their own B team?) while MF Black and JP seem to be beating similarly ranked teams.And look at what Harford did at WAGS, ties against NYSC and Tophat, and a 1 goal loss to Crew Jr. Please don't tell me any of the 3 bottom ecnl teams would have come close to those results. Throw in a tie against STA and a win against a solid HMMS team and they are just on a different level. They also beat Calvert, YMS, and Legacy at EPIC last May but again I hate to go back that far, again ALOT has changed in the last 6 months.And yes LVU can hang with ecnl teams as they proved on 10/11/14 with a tie against MD Utd ECNL and a win on 3/16/14 against Cont ECNL.Same with Pipeline who beat McClean ECNL on 11/16/14 and only lost a 1 goal match to World Class FC on 3/29/14. But again I hate to go back that far, and I never said the middle of EDP is as good as the middle of ecnl. Just that the tops better and the bottoms better.
So if your team received an invitation to play in a league with the top 9 from the pre-ECNL league, you would turn it down and play with the EDP teams instead?
Wildcats and STA trying so hard to feel that their teams are valued.They are now comparing themselves to the PDA team.It's so funny.Seen this many times before in the older age groups.Enjoy it. You will have no shot at the starting 11 next year in a meaningful game against PDA. Zero.I'm so happy a don't frequent this age group blog that much. Its enough to make you puke.
Time will tell my friend.Talk is cheap.As they say past is no guarantee of future results.Every year and every team brings a new history yet to be written.
3:03Lets just say i wouldn't bet the house on these teams coming anywhere close to the starting 11 on PDA.
2:26Let's assume my daughter doesn't play on any of the top EPD teams but that her coaches felt they can play on that level, and being on the out side of both leagues we actually had that choice.First if it were a tournament with top 3 teams of one vs the other, I would take EDP. Top 6 vs top 6 league would be a really crappy choice to have to make. 9 top only team league, ecnl. Hate to turn down the opportunity to play in a league with 3 of the top 10 teams in the nation, but would have to jump at playing some of these ecnl teams. Wildcats and Calvert play tournaments once a month, easy to get a chance to play against. A lot of the ecnl teams have only played 1 major tournament in reg 1 all fall incl PDA. Much more rare to get that chance, so yea, I'd take it.
3:31To each their ownBut it would not be my choice for my daughter.And she plays in the EDP league-Soccer Nut-
When you look at bigger perspective once your child is a sophomore in high school. , i am confident you would not make that choice.You should look at EDP starting at u15 and compare to other leagues. You will be a bit disappointed.if these teams are successful at the high school age group, they will not be there either.-Soccer Nut-
3:31You realize I said I WOULD have their team in the ecnl league right. It's just right now having seen teams in both, I am more impressed with EDP's top 3. But that's just right now. No one is making a long term commitment to playing in the same league for the next 5 yrs. Like I said earlier though, if the top 4-5 non ecnl teams from PAE MD NJ Virginia would join, EDP central would be the place to be for the next yr or two esp since ecnl is not an option for most players or teams. Prob not going to happen though. At U-15 it's time to stop playing leagues and focus on college showcases anyway. Which my older daughter is doing now. Plenty of ecnl teams there also, even in bottom brackets, which surprised me, but they were some of weakest teams we faced!? I'm sure PDA teams are always going to be awsome, but a lot of these other ecnl clubs are not producing teams any better than non. ecnl clubs, at least from what I've see. And looking over college rosters girls who played ODP but not ecnl were much more common than those who played ecnl but not ODP. Looks like ODP is the much better investment( unless of coarse you live near zarephath NJ in which case know that many of us are indeed jealous of you!)
@12:03.You are either a parent of one of those top 3 edp teams-or just a fool. I'm going to assume you are a parent because i cannot believe an objective voice would be so foolishIf wildcats, STA and calvert are better than PDA, East meadow and match fit. Then if they played in the ecnl, they would have come in 123 respectively.Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah!Now that's funny.You make up sh!t and rationalize just to hear yourself babble on a blog and justify your choices.STA is average at best. saw them play PDA at maps cup and they were simply awful. By the way PDA stunk as well.Wildcats exhibit very little skill and take advantage of the "hit the hole mentality" to disrupt play.The game I watched and reported on Calvert vs. PDA , the Calvert team chased the ball most of the game, this team is good but they are certainly no powerhouse. Don't get me wrong. i think all these teams have a way to go but Wildcats, STA and Calvert vs. East meadow, PDA and match fit . I'll take the 3 Ecnl teams all day.You my friend are either fool or a parent on one of these teams!Don't bother responding because I am not interested in what you say. You gave up your right to respected on this blog with such utter nonsense.Oh -and i hope you and family have a happy Thanksgiving. Tell Tim, he should keep his STA parents off the Blog.
8:20 obviously a Storm parent judging by his arrogance and condescending attitude.What makes you think anyone is interested in what you have to say.Another soccer parent who thinks that writing checks to PD makes him an expert on the sport. Blowhard.
Is STORM bragging about their time of possession again?Too funny
8:59 You nailed him.It's the Storm parent who knocks the other teams style of play when Storm is getting their butts kicked in a game.Seen him in action.
Wildcats are a punchline on every sideline from NJ to MD. I am thankful for the Wildcat coach and parents on this blog. They make me appreciate my daughters team. Happy Thanksgiving.
11:11You are a perfect example of a moron, enjoy your new title, and stay classy NJ, stay classy.
11:01 yes, even seen him/heard this parent in stands when when his team is not playing knocking the other teams.He is like a small dog barking at the neighbors dog from behind the fence.As long as he has that fence(anonymity)between him and the other dog he is very brave with the barking, insults and name calling.Bring him out from behind that fence though, he will be very meek indeed.
I was about to smack that little weasel myself one time.
12:19 I am from TSF and I heard that Storm parent at our game with wildcats last spring at our place talking smack about wildcats and their coach.
When do EDP fall 2013 points fall off GS Rankings?
801 Huh? Why would a Storm parent be at a TSF v Wildcat game last Spring talking smack about the Wildcats & their coach? Scary if you ask me.
Ask him.That's what the man said.
Hey storm parent. You are a loser. If you would like TSF season tickets go on sale next week.
I still don't get why a Storm parent would be talking smack about the Wildcats & Coach at a TSF-Wildcat game last Spring. Why would he care & why/how would his opinion matter one bit? He isn't even on the team!
Storm had just lost to Wildcats the week beforeTSF-Wildcats game was being played at PDA tournament. Likely why the PDA parent was there
How did our top Region 1 Teams do in FL, so far?If GS is the bible Calvert and FCV should have had an easy time at least South Shore took care of business. Early going the North (MA) looking better than the south (MD, VA) @ Disney. I hope you all enjoyed your time in Disney, I am jealous for sure.2 WEST FLORIDA FLAMES EAST (FL#12, NAT #385) 0 CES CREW WHITE (MD#1, NAT#3)0 ARSENAL FC SD SD 01/02 (CA#35, NAT#438)0 FC VIRGINIA PRE-ECNL 01 (VA#1, NAT#8)1 JFC STORM 01/02 (FL#7, NAT#304) 2 SOUTH SHORE SELECT ELITE (MA#1, NAT#14Closer to home @NEWSS --- National Elite Womens Soccer ShowcaseWe saw a bottom 3rd Pre-ECNL hang with one of the top nonPre-ECNL teams. STA took out Atlantic who is trying to makeA move up the charts 0 ATLETICO FC GIRLS '01 0 ALBERTSON FURY '01 PRE-ECNL 1 STA MORRIS UNITED NPL 010 ATLANTIC UNITED ACADEMY – AVALANCHE
2 EAST MEADOW HOTSHOTZ0 TSF ACADEMY 01/02G
Thanks to the East Meadow reporter!I was worried that the score would not be posted, and my life would be put on hold. But now I feel liberated, what to do?
TSF had been looking for a GKLooks like they may have found oneAtletico-EM war looms
I don't think anyone is claiming Got Soccer rankings are the bible, just a good starting point to determine team strength. Real value is all the match result not so much the points.Having said that, it does look like NEWSS went as expected with Athletico(Nat #44) tying Albertson(Nat #69), and both higher ranked teams winning.And calling Athletico one of the top non-ecnl teams in the region is either a bit of a stretch or just premature. We will see over the next day. Right now they are the 14th ranked non ecnl team in reg 1 playing the 11th(incl FCV) ecnl team. I wouldn't put too much stock in Disney results, been seeing them for years, never fail to see a lot of "upsets". Some teams go down more for team bonding, if they go 1-1-1 whatever, if 4-0, just that much better. Also a lot of guest players. Arsenal's A team for instance is ranked #5 in tough CAS, prob not too hard to convince a few extra girls from that team to make the trip to FL. Nothing in that teams history would make one think they could have hung with FCV. Same with west FL team. It won't matter, these girls will have the time of their lives. Really tough to beat the experience of playing at Disney.
Can't be EM - I've been called out as Shill for different club? So which is it? Shill, GS guy, EM reporter, Man in Orange, Mr ECNL, flat out idiot (this one is the closest). Nice try but all are wrong. But II’ll be your Huckleberry or what ever you want me to be on this board. It's fun.
Wasn't the claim made that Atletico beat EM made them better? EM is for sure one of the better teams in the region. i wasn't the one who made the claim, but if we are going to play that game, then we have to play that game even when a bottom 3rd Pre-ECNL teams ties them.
I agree I am jealous - but they still show up to play the games - just like the other team. Team bonding or not one has to win or they tie. So it's team bonding when results don't work out but it's making excuses when PDA Storm said they didn't play top team to give minutes to other kids, which is it. We can't play both sides of the fence. It's either one way or the other on an anonymous board.
What happen to TSF shouldn't be losing games like this .
What happened to TSF? They have not been a good team for some time now.
I think you mean TSF havent been a GREAT team recently.
UnrealECNL folk are really claiming the Albertson tie vs Atletico as a great moment.
1:30I believe the last thing I posted about Athletico/EM was that EM was definitely the better team, but that Athletico has their #. Its either in how they matchup, or its become a rivalry that Athletico gets more "up" for than EM. Actually the only reason I don't include EM in the top 6 Elite teams in the region right now is BECAUSE they can't seem to beat Athletico which I consider in the second tier of top teams along with about a dozen other teams. I guess we will see tomorrow. Also, I thought STA Morris was "simply awful"? Whats it say that the #2 in the ecnl can barely eek out a win over them?
TSF was NEVER Great.Seen this team play this past Fall season, quickly took them off my list for potential teams to try out for.
1:32If you've played in Disney you know, exept to the most hard core soccer girls, the games are secondary, well unless you are from FL and this is just another tournament for you. The trip is about 100 hrs, of which only 3-4 are on a field. Proper sleep and nutrition, downtime, etc. just take away from the experience. Most of these girls just want to get off the field and back to Epcot. Last time we were there we didn't get our girls to bed till 2AM the night before a 9AM championship game and we couldn't care if they won(but they did, so bonus!)
Watched STA play East meadow today.STAis awful!
I didnt say TSF was ever greatBut you imply they arent worthy of being on the fieldPut your "yousuckitude" away. These are young ladies.
Ditto for the STA poster who said "simply awful"Check your idiocy before you enter the blog, please.
NEWSS puts Yankee United in the third flight and they win their first game 6-zipSad. They are twice the team Atlantic Avalanche is - and they are first flight
If we make this claim”The top teams in the pre-ecnl have lost more often than not this fall to similarly ranked teams from other leagues.PDA(ecnl #1)lost to Calvert (EDP #2) 2-3, East Meadow (pre-ecnl #2 lost to Athletico (NYCSL #1) 0-1, and Match Fit (pre-ecnl #3 loses to BRYC) 0-2” and “And the bottom 3 have consistently lost to the bottom teams from a number of other leagues all fall. Hardly better than any other league's bottom teams.”.My point is how can you call Atletico a similarly ranked team as EM and Albertson a bottom team with one breath and then when they play they tie, then you say “Unreal - ECNL folk are really claiming the Albertson tie vs Atletico as a great moment.”Never said it was a great moment – but if we are calling one team similar to EM and 1 a bottom team – well which is it – Is Albertson one of the bottom teams of a very good league that can compete with the top teams in other leagues or can they hardly beat bottom teams from other leagues?
Shapes up as an STA vs East Meadow final if each team wins in the morning
4:38You have to be careful what you believeHere is the sane reasoning:Atletico is a pretty good "non ECNL". They are NPL qualioty, though they dont play in that high a divisionAlbertson is a low level ECNL.The tie makes sense. Neither team should boast one way or the other. In fact the tie may keep both of them from a final.
4:44 I get it - the claim was made that the pre-ECNL flight of the NPL stunk because of 3 of the 12 teams and Atletico was used as an example. I'm just saying we can't have it both ways.Well I guess we see how good STA is tomorrow when they play this same bottom team. They should blow them out, if EDP is such a great league and we have 1 of the top teams playing 1 of the bottom teams from an other, no?Another good one was that no one takes Disney seriously. I guess the CA team should have just stayed out west they just wasted all that travel to play teams that don't take the tournament seriously. But yet, teams that travel to MA and CT and stay overnight to play league games is not used as a bonding experience. A little Two faced??? If we use GS to look at results and compare teams, then we use all the results we can't just pick results isn't that the same as the ECNL parent that was accused of making excuses?
So more results from a tournament Disney Junior Soccer Showcase – 2014 where the top teams just go to hang out at Epcot instead of playing the top teams from GA and FL. 2 SOUTH SHORE SELECT ELITE (MA#1, NAT#14) 6 UNITED FA 02 PREMIER (GA#3, NAT#197)1 FC VIRGINIA PRE-ECNL 01 (VA#1, NAT#17)0 MIAMI SPRINGS SOCCER 01 BLUE (FL#11, NAT#371)1 CES CREW WHITE (MD#1, NAT#3)2 CASL JUNIORS LADIES (NC#1, NAT#197)
Bottom team from ECNL World Class beat Atletico 2-0. How good can this team be?
Wow -That 6-2 result is surprisingMust have beena great game between NC #1 and MD #1Thanks for the update
5:28World Class is not "Bottom team from ECNL", not even bottom 3. If you look at what they have done outside that league, you could make an argument they are the best team playing in it, got soccer certainly thinks so. You do realize some teams use league play to develop their team, top to bottom, but truly only show their best in tournaments.Which, Unlike most of the evnl teams, they have actually won one this fall.
Sounds like you are setting up excuses if they beat you.World finished towards the bottom of league.You will get a good chance to see how you stack up against a team that finished 8th.
4:01I hope you don't think I was calling STA "simply awful" at 3:24. Just using sarcasm to point out the ignorance of an earlier poster who did. No team gets to top 10 in the country without deserving to be there. Too many people here that think fancy footwork and more time of possession translate into winning soccer. I'll take a group of physical players who attack fast and play with heart anyday, and so will most colleges.
unfortunately, the better teams at U15 do both.
4:53No one claimed the pre-ecnl league "stunk" nor did anyone claim Athletico was a similar strength team, only that they ware ranked similarly in a different league.And no, CA should not have stayed home, they should go to FL and have a great experience, like I said. Who goes to MA or CT for a great experience with their team? No its just necessary, unfortunately.
I know if my club has a choice between EDP and ECNL.We will certainly have to think long and hard, before choosing a league.This EDP thing might be something specialSounds a bit laughable to me.But hey, I understand the rationalization.
6:10 I have to disagreeOur coach does exactly the opposite. We are an ECNL team. Plays the better half more during league play, tournament play everyone gets in evenly.
What are you doing here, if you are ECNL?
So the Disney Showcase is a waste of time when the girls are older? I thought this was a Big Showcase event? What gives? Why the double standard?If you tell me the girls are only 12/13, then why go Jefferson, WAGS, DELCO, PDA, FC Stars and any other high level tournament multiple times per year team bonding right? You guys rip the guy who said the Storm used end of the rotation players at EDP event (local for them) where they lost to Calvert. We were supposed to dismiss those claims and just call it an ECNL team making excuses. But NOW when the same Calvert goes down to Disney we are to dismiss Disney as a top event (#1 Teams from NC, MA, FL, GA plus teams from TX and CA) and just refer to it as a great experience. Why the Double standard?
Hey - the Calvert losses countMaybe they played well and lostMaybe they didnt play as well as theyd have likedNone of us is close enough to the team to have any clue....
#1's per GS @ DisneyMAVAGAFLSCNCMDplus CAS #35 (tied GA#2 and VA#1)TXN #5 (tied NC#1)How is anything but a top tournament?Excuse for teams traveling?
The following post was made "1:32 If you've played in Disney you know, except to the most hard core soccer girls, the games are secondary"Who would post this? and try to talk down a tournament with 9 number 1s??Who has anything to gain from this??if not Calvert, who? South Shore? I doubt FC Virginia they played Surff cup as well this year?
TSF has decent girls on the team . Coaches are horrible no direction they don't care that's the truth . Roster size is 23 girls more money for Tsf . Parents wake up that's why I'm leaving
Sorry 7 number 1s and 1 from TX and 1 from CA. I like following the major events and that secondary post hit a nerve with me. We can't kill one side and give a bye to another? And viewing Disney as anything but a major well there has to be motive for that?
Hold your horses 8:07 - are you saying that non-ECNL teams also carry more than 18 players?
Disney Junior Soccer Showcase - 2014Bracket B Champions:FC VIRGINIA PRE-ECNL 01FCV wins bracket and advances to Semi-Finals1: FC VIRGINIA PRE-ECNL 01 (VA)2: GOL SA 02 PRE-ECNL (GA)3: MIAMI SPRINGS SOCCER 01 BLUE (FL)4: ARSENAL FC SD SD 01/02 (CAS)
Disney Junior Soccer Showcase - 2014Bracket D Champion:CASL JUNIORS LADIES (NC) CES CREW WHITE the number 3 team in the nation and number 1 Region1 team can't win a single game in bracket play.1: CASL JUNIORS LADIES (NC)2: DALLAS TEXANS 02 DALLAS (TXN)3: WEST FLORIDA FLAMES EAST (FL)4: CES CREW WHITE (MD)
Disney Junior Soccer Showcase - 2014Bracket A Champions:UNITED FA 02 PREMIERSOUTH SHORE SELECT ELITESS did great won 2 games but got beat upby bracket winner 6-2. Bet they wish they could play that one over again1: UNITED FA 02 PREMIER (GA)2: SOUTH SHORE SELECT ELITE (MA)3: JFC STORM 01/02 4: WESTON FC 01 PREMIER BLACK (FL)
Anybody hear who's in Region 1 Champions League yet?
9:07Sort of, acceptance emails have been sent out, list of teams not yet posted.
6:24Very true! A small number of the elite teams at our age do both already as well. But looking at the teams who right now only excel at one or the other, I'll stand by what I said. Footwork and tactical soccer a great coach can teach to any group of athletes. But its hard to make girls become more aggressive if that is not their natural personality,speed is what it is, 90% natualal(genetic) you have it or you don't. And you can't teach heart!
8:07You always leave.
Do some of you actually read comments on here before you start blathering?No one said Disney was a waste of time or somehow not a major tournament. Far from it. But you need to understand that not every team that enters it has winning a trophy as their primary objective. If they they did you'd call them point chasers anyway! To some the experience of playing at disney, being in FL, and visiting the parks with their best friends is first and foremost. Winning games is secondary. I've been there enough to know. And please don't compare Disney to Delco, PDA, WAGS, etc. thats just absurd. The only reason you go there is to play soccer and hopefully win. None of our coaches would let our teams out at amusement parks till 1AM , or spend three days living on junk food with little down time at any of those other tournaments. Disney is unique.Some teams will treat it like any other tournament which I think is a shame(unless you are local and trips to disney are common). You can often tell which is which.What more does Calvert have to prove anyway? In the last year they have -beat the #1 team from reg 2(Nat #4), tied the #1 team from EDP Cent.(#2 Reg 1, Nat #6), beaten the #1 team from ECNL(#14 Reg 1), beaten and tied the #1 team from PAGS 1(#10 Reg 1), tied the #1 team from NYC NPL, and beaten WC(#3 Reg 1, Nat #7) proving they can play with anyone.-won 4 tournaments-are 1st in their state, first in the region, and top 3 in the country. Good for them and I'm sure their memories of Disney won't be diminished one bit by their record.Now you all can go back to being jealous.
Thank you Calvert Crew apologist!We were all worried that you had too much class to respond, guess not.
And please don't compare Disney to Delco, PDA, WAGS.Okay I won't just Facts.#1's per GS @ DisneyMA - 2 WinsVA - Advanced to SemiGA - Advanced to SemiFL - 2 Wins SC - 1 WinNC - Advanced to SemiMD - 0 Wins
GS national ranking based on best 5 teams in flight MAX 10,000 point GS Flight.#3 CES CALVERT CREW WHITE = 0 wins#10 TOPHAT 20 GOLD = Advanced to Semi#14 SOUTH SHORE SELECT U13 ELITE = 2 wins#17 FC VIRGINIA PRE-ECNL 01 =Advanced to Semi#27 CREEKS SOCCER 01/02 CREEKS KRUSH ELITE = 2 wins
Score should be posted for ALBERTSON FURY '01 PRE-ECNL (NYE) vs STA MORRIS UNITED NPL 01 (NJ) soon at NEWSS winner advances to the final to play winner of EM vs Atletico game. This should be a killer game and probably a very physical game going by past history.
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