Friday, January 29, 2016

U14G / U14 Girls Youth Soccer

U14G  / U14 Girls youth soccer seems to offer the most teams and the widest diversity of talent.

Where these players will end up is anyone guess.

Welcome to the ride.

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Anonymous said...

FC Berna Legacy beat GPS NJ Central(former JPS Flash).

This was once a top team and this is the end for them. Kids trying out at PDA, Berna Legacy, STA and Copa. Parents tried so hard to keep the core together that they never added top talent. They'll finish last in their league and some of these girls will be quitting soccer because they are not good at it anymore.

Anonymous said...

FC Berna Legacy beat GPS NJ Central(former JPS Flash). 3-0 in the New Jersey Cup.

Anonymous said...

4:58 must have touched a nerve. Sometimes the truth hurts a little bit.

Anonymous said...

Most likely 4:58 (6:51) is a dim bulb, nice try Copernicus

Anonymous said...

PDA South a much different team without their ECNL players. Their results are extremely inconsistent. They win or lose big depending on what players they have.
Now that they play a different schedule than ECNL team they can use their players for league play. It is completely legal by league rules.

Anonymous said...

South has only 1 player that plays both. They have a limited bench because of numerous injuries. Maybe they don't use ECNL players for fear of how they will be treated by the blog.

Anonymous said...

9:31 Do you think anyone takes this blog seriously? I sure hope not.

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Anonymous said...

9:39 I believe 9:31 was being sarcastic

Anonymous said...

9:42 you are so uninformed not even sure where to start.

Anonymous said...

"Anonymous said...
FC Berna Legacy beat GPS NJ Central(former JPS Flash). 3-0 in the New Jersey Cup."

Berna is the better team now, that's all. GPS not a fit bunch.

Anonymous said...

It is completely legal to use a few ECNL players on the NPL roster. Likewise, NPL players can play with ECNL.
It's funny that the clubs that say ECNL is an overrated league are the clubs that complain when ECNL players are used in games against them.

Anonymous said...

Smoke and mirrors to avoid dealing with the fact that NE-NPL has once again been exposed.
If Ajax hass already clinched NE-NPL League Title and loses to STA then what does that say about MF-NPL, Dragons and the rest of that league.

Anonymous said...

It says their NE-NPL Leagues top team can't beat middle of the pack EDP Team.

Anonymous said...

It does not matter if it's legal to cross play kids on different teams. It is unethical and unfair to do so since not only are you displacing kids from that team to make room for ringers just to win games, but it skews the teams actual abilities. So call it what it really is, bringing in ringers to win a game instead of playing with the kids that you are handed. Very unethical to do in youth sports.

Anonymous said...

Storm lose to LVU, really? Must of been an off-game, off-day, off-weekend, off-whatever....

Anonymous said...

why is the Storm losing to LVU such a surprise? Or that the NPL is mostly made up of lower tiered middle of the pack teams? Nothing wrong with that, at least their playing some good soccer.

Anonymous said...

11;55, not sure what one has to do with the other, neither do you. Storm is the best team in NJ, and they just lost to not the best team in PAE, that is surprise, especially to the Storm parents. I can just see them now, on the way home it must be real quiet in Mercedes GL350...

Anonymous said...

It's obvious Storm took their top players to Jeff and SD, but girls 15-28 have to play too. The top half of their roster is as good as any in the country, the bottom half....

Anonymous said...

That is ridiculous bro, unless they had real injuries to multiple (top) players, they should of beaten a team like LVU, no slight to LVU, I really applaud their effort, but you can’t come with that BS. How can you not qualify for the final in your clubs own tournament?

Anonymous said...

Sorry bro, but PDA marches to the beat of their own drummer. Whether you or I understand what, why, or how is irrelevant to them.

Anonymous said...

Fair enough, the dude abides.

Anonymous said...

NEFC beats LVU 4-0 in the finals

Anonymous said...

Nefc beats LVU 4-0

Anonymous said...

Looks like the only team close to NEFC was STA. They played to a 1-1 tie. NEFC scored 4 on everyone else.

Anonymous said...

Same thing at NPL Championship

Anonymous said...

Morris tied nefc 1-1

Anonymous said...

PDA obviously played a ton of kids who don't play a ton. You may hate that, and in no way IMO does it take away from what the other teams did.

Anonymous said...

BTW, I made the last post, but IMO MFA has the best team until PDA beats them. That and the fact that the bench can't come close to LVU must annoy the hell out of PDA.

Anonymous said...

Did MFA win Flight 2?

Anonymous said...

MF did win their flight this afternoon.

Anonymous said...

So NE NPL with redemption. Looks like PDA mailed it in, so hard to tell.

Anonymous said...

NEFC dominating 4-0 victory in top flight. MF NENPL and Scorpions NENPL finish 0-0 tie. MFA wins in Pks with their gk making 3 saves.

Anonymous said...

PDA South, a team not at full strength. Ashame our club takes our players for ECNL team to only lose and not make finals. Wish our team had our players.

Anonymous said...

^^ Not a PDA parent for sure.

Anonymous said...

Go to a different club and your players will always be YOURS

Anonymous said...

Picture your daughters starting team out on the field. Ok now take away your number goalie and replace with goalie number 2. Next remove the starting center back and replace with the 12 th player. Then take your 13th player and replace your leading scoring striker. And lastly take out your center mid and replace with player 14. Ok you now have your 3 remaining players 16-18 available for subs. He would they fare in a top league and/or top level tournament, be honest. Now consider that before you start with posts ripping 13/14 year olds...and get a hobby.

Anonymous said...

So let me understand. PDA Storm lost because they used their "bench players"(obviously players they consider weak and not worthy of playing in "important games' but as long as they are willing to pay PDA will accept their checks and tell them they are part of the Storm Team). Meanwhile Ajax couldn't even win the 2nd flight against a team below them in their own NE_NPL League and the excuse is they didn't have their top players because their key players were playing with Storm who claims they lost to STA because they had to use those same Ajax star players. Whew! Spinning, spinning, spinning. What happened to the 13 non starters Storm, who is carrying 24 players, already has on their bench or in street clothes every game? Why did they need Ajax players?

Anonymous said...

We all knew the excuses would be ten fold from the 2 PDA teams after this weekend. They all make sense since both of their teams didn't win their respective championships in their own back yard. It really doesn't but Im listening to it all because it is entertaining. But folks, you didn't finish in the top two of your respective brackets. And that's only out of four teams. Didn't win, ok. Not to make even the finals, well Im still listening..

Anonymous said...

To FC Copa parents and prospective players. In analyzing every NJ U14 team - every single one, hundreds i mean.

Only one team at u14 level has lost over 100 soccer games - 105 in fact - is FC Copa Lima. Basically they are the worst soccer team in this age group over the last 4 years!!!!

105 LOSSES IS SO DAMN HARD TO DO!

Those girls who left - lucky you! For those there now who left from good places like Stronghold, JPS, Jersey Knights, and others - i feel so bad for you! but you did it to yourselves!!!

Anonymous said...

9:56 What do you expect to accomplish by trashing your kid's team? If you're leaving.. leave quietly. You did it to yourself.

Anonymous said...

Bullspit.

If coaches aren't doing their job, expose them. let other parents know what going on so they can be more educated consumers.

Anonymous said...

8:22 Here. Still waiting for an answer to my question if Storm has 24 roistered players why did they need to supposedly take Ajax best players for their own PDA Tournament. Wouldn't Storm have plenty of players out of their own players between 15-24 that have been paying and sitting on bench or sitting out at Jeff Cup and Cal and should have got that playing time without going into Ajax roster? Same old excuses not adding up.
Here is probably closer to the truth;
1 - Storm played their 15-24 on roster subs who sat at Jeff Cup and Cal and they are a large drop off from starters and mainly just pay their money to say they are on the team but are mostly JV/practice type players and a cash cow for PDA Club.
and
2 - Ajax just once again exposed as not very good whenever they step outside NE-NPL.

Anonymous said...

Administrator, please start a blog for NJ and NY...

Anonymous said...

ID2 same weekend. Several players attended

Anonymous said...

Give them a minute as they are thinking up a new spin, spin, spin to answer that one.
And please stop questioning our excuses and asking reasonable questions. As long as our customers keep buying whatever excuses we spew out who cares if they make sense or are true or not.

Anonymous said...

Several or 3?

Anonymous said...

they flights for Fc Delco.
Very good job of flighting by FC Delco.
A very strong, deep, competitive and balanced Flight 1.
Decent competition in Flight 2 as well although clearly a big step below F1..

Anonymous said...

11:45 how dare you steer convo away from NJ talk?
Oh wait, there are NJ teams in that flight...

Anonymous said...

Hey give them time they are still spinning up north.
Hey we only have 24 players on Storm roster so if 3 are at ID2 camp then of course we needed to take 4 players from ajax to field a team with Storm. We couldn't play shorthanded with only 20 players.
And please don't use that excuse for Ajax or dragons performance.
ID2 does not take players from ECNL B or C teams because what if one of them got identified over one of that clubs ECNL Players. It's all about the brand, not the girls.

Anonymous said...

FC Delco Cup will be very interesting as many players/teams will coming from a big tryout year and many leaving or coming to current new or old squads will change the story of each bracket. Will many of the 01's play with the U15 teams they move to or stay down at U14 and this goes for each age group.

How come CFC Delco has not put any of there ECNL teams in their own tourney PDA does? As well as PF this is a quick right around the corner tourney for all 3 clubs in PA makes no sense.

Anonymous said...

I think young 01's will still play with their U14 teams as all the strong U15 teams are in PDA Girls College Showcase that weekend. FC Delco just like Spirit Kickoff is a strong tournament for U14 and under teams only. Those 2 tournaments are not showcases for older age groups and there will not be any college coaches at those events.

Anonymous said...

12:22
http://events.gotsport.com/events/collegecoaches.aspx?EventID=42568

Anonymous said...

Ok can someone chime in on why Division III schools attend showcases if they cannot physically hand out any athletic scholarships. Just curious as my dd is a born 01 currently a freshman on a mid-level team that has a coach talking about attending more showcases for next year. Are those coaches just trying to recruit players to attend the school on merit knowing they may get academics scholars with option to continue playing a sport. Anyone with older siblings please chime in.

Anonymous said...

My understanding is that 7 starters missing from Storm. No Ajax players joined the party. They lost. time to move on. No excuses.

Anonymous said...

No U15 team is generally taking their u14 01s to PDA showcase unless possibly they are 9th graders. These u15 ECNL teams need to really ramp up the ninth graders exposure and will want to do that at PDA.

Anonymous said...

You guys better have little Mias...do you know what the percentage of 9th grade girls getting looks is?

Anonymous said...

Need to move up
from F2 to F1 NJ CRUSH FC TSUNAMI 01 NPL (NJ)
from F3 to F2 ISA 01 NPL (NYE)
from F3 to F2 MASSAPEQUA NPL LIL' ROWDIES (NYE)
from F3 to F2 MANHATTAN SC G01 PRIDE NPL (NYE)
from F3 to F2 SEACOAST UNITED ELITE -CS- 01/02 (NH)
from F3 to F2 FC BOSTON SCORPIONS EAST GU14 ELITE (MA)

Need to move down
from F1 to F2 YARDLEY MAKEFIELD SOCCER YMS BANSHEES (PAE)
from F2 to F3 ISA ATLETICO 01/02 NPL (NYE)
from F2 to F3 DAVIDSONVILLE DYNAMITE (MD)
from F2 to F3 WALL SC WAVE (NJ)
from F2 to F3 HMMS EAGLE FC 01 SPIRIT (PAE)
from F2 to F3 PDA SHORE FUSION (NJ)

Anonymous said...

2016 REGION I CHAMPIONS LEAGUE

U14 Elite Red
3.00 (1) BRADDOCK ROAD YC 01 ELITE
2.40 (2) 1776 UNITED FC XTREME
2.33 (4) CENTURY V 0102 GOLD
1.80 (2) HARFORD FC UNITED THUNDER
1.14 (0) LOUDOUN SOCCER LOUDOUN 01 G RED
0.67 (1) PWSI COURAGE 01G RED
0.00 (3) RHINOS ELITE SC 01/02
0.00 (3) HMMS EAGLE FC 01 SPIRIT

U14 Elite Blue
Pts AVG - Games left regular season ()
3.00 (4) SOUTH SHORE SELECT U14 ELITE
2.00 (4) FC FREDERICK '01
2.00 (1) PENN LEGACY 01 BLACK F14
1.75 (3) EUSA ROCHESTER GU14
1.50 (3) GREATER BINGHAMTON UNITED FC (clinched NL birth)
1.50 (3) BEADLING SC ELITE
0.57 (0) YARDLEY MAKEFIELD SOCCER BANSHEES
0.40 (2) UKRAINIAN NATIONALS BLASTERS BLACK

Anonymous said...

DIII no scholarships but still recruit.
They get the players with no D1 or D2 offers or those that want the DIII school for academic reasons or specialty in their major or those who just want to ramp down soccer time commitment in college and have a more normal college experience. At D1 level it is a year round full time job and not in any way a normal college experience.
At D1 level 16 hour days with your team and coaches is the norm.
You arrive back to your room around 9pm after dinner and study hall wasted, sore, exhausted and ready to fall out and sleep after a full day of training, conditioning, meetings, film study, study hall, meals, showers and changing into and out of workout clothes.
Making it at the D1 level is about much more than just athletic ability and technical skill.
Only about half of those recruited to these schools will finish out their 4 years as players and graduate from that institution with a degree.
Many will wash out either academically or fail to handle the commitment and be unable to budget their time properly with being away from home and on their own for the first time.
Some will get into the party scene and handling that and playing soccer and academics is just about impossible for the vast majority of freshmen. If they party either their academics or soccer or both will pay the price.
Some will just not be ready for the physical work load either physically or mentally and quit and come home.
Some who have not been coached hard will not be able to handle the mental pressure of a tough, demanding coach or will lack the work ethic required at that level.
Some will just not be good enough to earn playing time at that level and will transfer out to a different school rather than sitting on the bench for 4 years.
Everyone needs to make sure this is really what the player wants and not the parents dream.
They will have to sink or swim on their own in college and you will not have any influence with their coaches. They better know how to handle adversity themselves and grind through it without giving up.

Anonymous said...

NYCSL NPL 2015-2016

U14 NPL EAST
PT AVG - () Games Left
2.00 (7) Massapequa Soccer Club NPL-01
2.00 (5) Intense Soccer Academy NPL-01
1.82 (5) Manhattan Soccer Club NPL-01
1.40 (6) Quickstrike FC NPL-01
1.44 (7) New York Soccer Club NPL-01
0.40 (6) Brentwood Youth Soccer Club NPL-01

U14 NPL WEST
3.00 (6) NJ Crush FC NPL-01
2.30 (6) STA NPL-01
0.90 (6) New York Rush NPL-01
0.90 (6) Match Fit Academy NPL-01
0.40 (6) Princeton SA NPL-01
0.40 (6) NJ Stallions Academy NPL-01

Anonymous said...

2:35 where is the negative?

1. 16 hour days between classes and soccer (no party girl here)
2. so you are saying half drop out because of soccer with no degree?
3. yes learning time management part of life (they will make mistakes - hopefully nothing serious)
4. party girls will be the ones dropping out not because of soccer.
5. so they stop playing soccer - OMG it's the end of the world they went for theirs and no one can take that away regardless of the outcome they are winners for trying!!! and will leave with a degree to make a bunch more money (I hope this changes for women playing soccer)
6. So they transfer to another school if they still want to play.
7. Why bring parents into your rant - it's not like the parents are going to the school - they are just trying to help them get into a school for the players to follow their dreams.

The only negative is the party girls - and guess what? that's just part of life some will learn the hard way.

Anonymous said...

Looks like they have Crush in F3

Strange

Anonymous said...

Crush suck, they deserve F10.

Anonymous said...

Yes many will come home when they quit soccer, as they are embarrassed to stay at the school and face their teammates when they quit.
Many come back home and go to local junior college or local college.
Some will continue to play soccer at the new school and some will not.
Didn't see my post as a rant at all just a reality check for some and info of what it will take and the possible pitfalls for others.
Always best for the player to have realistic expectations of what they are signing up for and for what will be expected of them.
A key part of the process is finding the right fit as a player.
Better to understand what you are doing going in so you have the best chance to choose correctly the 1st time then lose credits and opportunities because of transferring.

Anonymous said...

4:22 I appreciate your info and found it helpful . Thank you !

Anonymous said...

Now wait. Only one NJ team in flight 1 for Delco. Wow. Let's root for them for christs sake to represent NJ well. Go cats. Best of luck.

Anonymous said...

The academic success of athletes playing girls soccer at the D1 level, mirrors the general population of students. What you read above is nonsense.

Anonymous said...

Delco flights are a joke. No rhyme or reason.

Anonymous said...

7:36 not just talking about academic success.
If you read the post you will find it deals with all the varied reasons why a large % of recruited players do not succeed at the school they choose to attend.
Academic problems are only 1 of the reasons I mentioned.
If you are going to argue that the tremendous demands in time and the pressure of balancing playing D1 Soccer and academics, social life,etc. are not a very challenging balance and becomes untenable for many players then you are just ignorant of the process and how tough it is.
And if you are arguing my point of a major college D1 athlete not having anything like the normal college experience for non athletes at the same school then you are delusional.
Their friends for the most part will be their teammates.
They will have very little free time to cultivate relationships with students outside the team.They will meet some students who have the same classes but will not have the free time to meet them very often for parties/dances/concerts/going to games/other on campus or off campus events because they just won't have the free time or will be too tired or have to get up too early Especially in their 1st year which is when most students who don't make it flunk out/quit the team/transfer/come home/etc.
And we haven't even touched on the makeup work and studying necessary to make up for missed classes when the team is on the road in season.
Most power 5 conference teams don't travel on game day so a Friday/Sunday 2 game road trip means travelling on thursday and missing 2 days of school/classes that week.

Anonymous said...

And those teams have 5 or 6 road trips per season so you are talking about missing 2 days of school 5 or 6 times in the fall semester each of the players 4 years. Since most classes are 30 credit hours per semester missing 5 or 6 times is missing a good deal of class time especially if you plan on majoring in something other than Phys Ed. The player will have to give up what little free time they have to stay on top of finding out from the professor what work/reading/lectures/notes/quizzes/tests they missed while the team was on the road and make that work up.

Anonymous said...

True normal college students have a tough transition just with academics, social life, and balancing those and being away from home and on their own for the first time. Now you throw the demands and pressures of playing a sport at the major college level and you are of course talking about a very challenging transition and that many who go that route do not succeed.
The mental challenge is more difficult than the physical challenges. Players must be mentally tough and resilient to succeed in college.

Anonymous said...

While DIII schools can't give "athletic scholarships", they can give financial aid and grants if they really want a kid. Not a full ride but a good portion.

Anonymous said...

Yep

Ivies as well

Anonymous said...

Delco flights are right on the money, even better placement than Jeff Cup. Great job Delco officials!!!

Anonymous said...

Group NCAA grad ratefederal grad rate  
General student body n/a 64 percent
All Div. I student-athletes 82 percent 65 percent

The NCAA calculates its graduation success rate by tracking how many student-athletes graduate within six years of enrolling, including students who transfer between schools in good academic standing.

Anonymous said...

So whose club on here has started tryouts? What numbers are you seeing for 02 and 01 split?

Anonymous said...

No love for 1776 in the CFC Delco Championship bracket. 8(

Anonymous said...

1176 will most likely win their bracket if they get all their players back. The Jeff Cup team was a shell of what they should have been. Wildcats will take the top bracket at Delco as PL continues to tumble.

Anonymous said...

1776 had all their players for Jeff Cup . What kind of excuse are you trying to spin ?

Anonymous said...

NPL League Winners with GS National Rank
Who the leagues send will be the question

#53 DE ANZA FORCE FORCE 01G ECNL (CA-N)
#61 AZ ARSENAL 02 PREMIER TEAL (AZ)
#84 UNITED FA UFA 02 PREMIER (GA)
#90 ELITE GIRLS ACADEMY MAROON 01 OMAHA (NE)
#139 CLAREMONT STARS SC STARS 01 (CA-S)
#150 FC FLORIDA 01/02 ELITE BLUE-NPL (FL)
#217 FC VIRGINIA UNITED ELITE 01 (VA)
#270 CROSSFIRE PREMIER ECNL G02 (WA)


TBD - Current Leaders:
New England Premier League
#4 NEFC ELITE U14 GIRLS

New York Club Soccer League - NPL Division
#18 NJ CRUSH FC TSUNAMI 01 NPL (NJ)

Eastern Development Program - NPL Division
#32 LEHIGH VALLEY UNITED 01 GIRLS (PAE)

South Central Premier League
#36 LIVERPOOL 02 GIRLS PREMIER

United Soccer Clubs
#159 LONESTAR SC LONESTARS 02G RED

Northeast Girls NPL
#275 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY AJAX

Gulf States Premier League
#1125 MFC RUSH 02 GIRLS PREMIER

Anonymous said...

NYCSL NPL will have a playoff, so Crush could be 17-0 and lose a playoff game to the #2 team in the East bracket, that would really suck. Really suck.

In this case, I kinda love playoffs.

Anonymous said...

Is that you NYSC guy?

Anonymous said...

No, its the Crush guy.

Anonymous said...

Cant be NYSC guy - he wouldnt have Crush at 16-0 since they play Crush this week

Anonymous said...

No excuse 12:57. Had three of their top players out at Jeff. You should get to see the real squad at Delco and results will be much different.

Anonymous said...

4:17...sure sounds like an excuse. And when was the last time they beat a legitimate F1 team? Have they had their best players out all of this time?

Anonymous said...

Last time they were healthy. Tied Crush and kicked the crap out of Ajax. Tied World Classless after that and beat up everyone in their league except PL.

Anonymous said...

So glad you PA folks are taking the focus away from the PDA results from this past weekend. Dismal

Anonymous said...

There was a PDA tournament this weekend??

Anonymous said...

Yes 8:39. Your daughter on dragons or storm? Lmao

Anonymous said...

Well..I heard there was a butt kicking contest this weekend.

Anonymous said...

4:17 you must be a 1776 parent or coach because you are the only person on this board who thinks that team is even relevant .

Anonymous said...

Administrator, can you please open a blog for NJ only? Hell, make it for PDA only...

Anonymous said...

So who started tryouts? Who's willing to divulge true costs of PF fees? I realize there's travel costs etc...not accounted for...

Anonymous said...

$3500 yearly fee alone-INSANE

Anonymous said...

8:11 For ECNL correct? First hand knowledge, ie you're a parent or word of mouth?

Anonymous said...

ECNL. It was announced at a meeting they held for any interested in Penn Fusion for the upcoming year.

Anonymous said...

That amount is what was presented at public meeting .

Anonymous said...

That is insane, you're correct. Let me guess...does not include uniform, ref fees or coach's travel fees?

Anonymous said...

Add a west coast trip to that.

Anonymous said...

Includes everything but player travel and uniforms. Soccer is cheap compared to my other child's activity

Anonymous said...

8:25 I feel ya! swimming or gymnastics?

Anonymous said...

Why go to the west coast when there are plenty of showcases on this coast? Makes no sense unless it's purely a vacation for their coaches. We are talking about 3 games right?

Anonymous said...

Easily several grand for all the travel weekends and showcases. Reality check time.

Anonymous said...

To anyone who went to that meeting what travel is PF doing? I assume San Diego is one.

Anonymous said...

Except for west coast cost, totals out similar to other F1 clubs. Fees may be lower, but then there's uniform, ref fees, coach's travel fees, 6-8 tournaments with travel per year etc...

Anonymous said...

Thank you all. Missed the meeting but will be registering little Mia...

Anonymous said...

Penn Fusion sucks.

Anonymous said...

I'm an ECNL parent and yea we went to SD. When this year wraps it'll be around $7000, easily. It's a reality you just have to be willing and able to take on.

Anonymous said...

8:49 your daughter can't make the team?
8:56 Little Mia's fees will end up the same at her F1 club with all our tournament travel this year...

Anonymous said...

PL or Wildcats parents, you've been F1. What are you looking to have spent for the current year?

Anonymous said...

8:56 Thanks for the Est. cost of $7,000. Like many have said ECNL is not for everyone 7k a year for the next 4 years is almost or more than 1 year college tuition. So basically a child will need at least 25% scholarship if even given to break even from playing ECNL U15-U19. Plus all those prior years.

Girls DA will help as it may not be free but it will be at a reduced cost vs a clubs cash flow to pay themselves and coaches.

Anonymous said...

Not sure what ECNL team you were at but the cost is more like 10k not 7k.

Anonymous said...

8:47 - PF doesnt do 6 to 8 tourneys . They will only do about 2 tourneys and the rest will be ECNL showcases.

Also, heard they will be carrying 22 girls. Looking more and more like PDA with roster size.

So if your Mia is # 15 on the depth chart she may suit up every game but playing time will be low because of the ECNL sub rules.

Anonymous said...

Not everyone has an ECNL club in their backyard, so don't forget to add in the mileage costs to get Mia to and from practice several nights a week, plus the lost time for yardwork, housework, homework, life, etc. Many intangible costs and sacrifices. It would be interesting to know the average practice commute for an ECNL player.

Anonymous said...

10:37
Picking the right club now is most imperative! All the money you spend/have spent will hopefully be "pre-payment" for college with scholarship to follow...
Almost 1.5 hr round trip to training in normal traffic

Anonymous said...

Scholarship you are funny.

so if you go with the number of 7k a year for the next 4yrs that is 28k total. Do you think your D will get a scholarship worth that? I hope she is a YNT player to get that type of money. Although, are you hoping she gets 7k a yr? That might be more doable.

Anonymous said...

So at 22: $77,000 a year all I can say is Cha-Ching! That's the coaching staff buy all new cars next year for there travels. LOL

Sorry but Soccer in America has come down to affordability it's getting way out of hand now.

Anonymous said...

10:49 so you don't think much of your daughter's chances?
That's pretty negative outlook on her future...I currently know players with at least 50% scholarships and they're not in the top 10% at their ages
10:50
Yes soccer is messed up in the US. In most countries, the better you are, the less you pay...
Go Bernie!!!

Anonymous said...

1057 Totally agree maybe US Soccer should fix that (Better you are less you pay) method vs. changing the landscape with birth year, new leagues etc.

Yes there are scholar ship funds out there just need to be realistic and choose a school that will accept your daughters in the future.

Anonymous said...

You guys really need to stop complaining about the club fees. You sound like such crybabies! $3500 mostly covers the turf fees, but also includes coaching, ref fees, club admin, insurance, etc.

Practicing 3x a week for about 9-months of the year... thats 100 practices plus 20-league games, 2-tournaments, and 2-showcases.

Most of our clubs here in PA are mostly transparent with their costs. Most are Not For Profits. Coaches get a set fee for the year. Full time coaching directors get salaries. Go to your clubs boards meeting and learn more about the costs if you are interested.

Also - many ECNL-level players ARE getting the $7,000 in scholarship to recoup that costs.

Anonymous said...

9:51 Not sure about the Wildcats, but PL club fees are around $1500 and like everyone else, the real cost is hotel, gas and food. We did play in Champions and Region one which involve overnight trips to Boston, Pittsburgh and maybe some other great town, so there's another $750.00. So total cost has to be near $3500 by the time we're done. And that is most likely a low figure that doesn't include booze money for moms getting bombed or other incidentals like uniforms.

Anonymous said...

I would say PL costs are about $2800. That is $1600 for club, $200 for uniform(every other yr), $500 for costs at Jeff cup & $500 for Wags. Spirit and Delco we don't have hotel expenses. We don't have to pay for coach travel cost either.

Anonymous said...

PL is cheap
No wonder the moms always seem under the influence, plenty of money left for booze and whacky weed

Anonymous said...

10 grand - all told.

Plenty are paying it.

And the girls are happy. That's the bottom line.

Tough when you have more than one - but people manage.

The jet setters go to Europe

This group plays sports.

Anonymous said...

I'm the one who said "$7000 easily." I said $7000 as the lowest you may be able to squeak by with paying. Yes it could be up to $10,000 but that's on the high side and only if you live a distance and want to consider gas and tolls too. Take the safe road and estimate $8,500 for the year and you're being realistic. Scary but true and all for 7 months of soccer Lol.

Anonymous said...

Wild Cats fees on website. $245 per month for this age group and girls. But as you say, the only team in NJ in F1 at Delco. Is that where you want your daughter to be. Maybe F3 or F8 and pay the same amount. bottom line is, if your daughter can really handle it, they should be F1 or at the least F2 at Delco. Time is ticking for town teams and others. College recruiting starts very soon, next year or two. Be on the right team or you are done. Believe me. It will simply slip away.

Anonymous said...

Also stated at meeting, next year PF 01's carrying 22. 4 won't even dress. PF 02's carrying 20 next year. 2 won't dress. Do those players get a discount???

Anonymous said...

There's also player 16, 17, and 18 that may dress but only see 10 minutes or less each half.

Anonymous said...

More like time is ticking until DA arrives. ECNL who?

Anonymous said...

In PA does anyone know how many players CFC and FC Bucks are carrying or how much they cost?

#18 to 22 cold go to Cfc or Bucks and play more. Do wins and losses matter anymore? If a college coach is there , they are there to watch a player not a team.

Are you paying that money and possible sitting the bench because PF has in's at many colleges and will get you in no matter if you are #3 or #22?

Anonymous said...

113 Nope that's PDA they have it better network with college's. PF and other PA ECNL teams do not. Sometimes brand overcomes W's. Even PDA Shore and South players will be looked at by recruiters once you mention what club you play for.

So the question I have is should I go have my dd attend once PA's ECNL clubs or just take the trip over and hopefully make PDA's NPL teams either north or south then hopefully get called up to ECNL team later in her playing years.

Anonymous said...

"Don't worry sweetie you may be number 20 and not playing and I may be paying $10K for that but PF had "in's" so it'll work out!" Are you serious? Poor kid. Childhood goes by fast people. Let them enjoy it.

Anonymous said...

They're all #1's though!! Until you sign and pay that is, then you'll truly see where your superstar is in that lineup. The coach will tell you anything they know you WANT to hear, until then....

Anonymous said...

1:37 Nope yourself as PA players that live more than 50 miles from Rutgers campus cannot play on team coached by Rutgers coaching staff as Storm currently is.
Even South Jersey kids are too far.
That NCAA rule goes into effect once players are in high school next fall as all 01 and 02's will be in Sept.

Anonymous said...

137 I'm calling that rule out I've seen many PDA players come from PA, NY, SJ come over and play on the club. Feel free to contact PDA for more info and know your facts.

Anonymous said...

OK, Ajax defeated NJ Rush in state cup. It is coming down to the wire. 1-0 is very close, but I think typically NJ Rush is not a high scoring team.

Anonymous said...

Can anyone provide the fee's for next year for the following clubs

PDA ECNL
PDA NPL
MFA ECNL
MFA NPL

NJ Crush
STA
NJ Wildcats

Anonymous said...

2:35 Yes in the past they clearly cheated but now they are following the rules closely as Rutgers is now on everyone's radar after making final four this past season.
Coaches around the country are now paying much closer attention to what the PDA/Rutgers connection is doing and how that affects recruiting. Remember this only affects PDA Teams coached and/or trained by coaches currently on the Rutgers Staff.

Anonymous said...

PDA- $2900-$3100
MFA- $3100-$3300
STA- $2800-$3200
NJ Crush- $3400

Anonymous said...

12:12 did not include travel expenses for Region 1 and Champions League overnight stays, but PL is the cheapest club around. Also, all PL moms are women of virtue and would consider it a mortal sin to spend extra dollars at bar getting sauced.

Anonymous said...

Actually 12:12 overstated PL's club fees. They are $1325/yr. We only had 1 overnight stay for Reg 1 Champions League, none for EDP, 4 for all tournaments combined. I would be interested to know what YMS, 1776, & HMMS cost. I think PAC is about $1800 if I remember(not incl the coaches bar tab).

Anonymous said...

At least in NJ at the 2 ECNL clubs those fees are only paid in full by the NPL and other non-ECNL players. Most of the ECNL players pay only partial or in some cases nothing at all for dues.
This is usually offered as part of the inducement during the recruiting process.

Anonymous said...

Anyone with insight into the cost of the other 2 PA ECNL clubs. Are they on par with PF?

Anonymous said...

I think that is rubbish, 7:00

No full paid rides at PDA

Anonymous said...

PAC is $1850/year. They don't hide their fee, it's on their website. Gotta give it to them, they are reputable club with reasonable fees and likely to get DA next year. Probably why their 02 tryout was such a huge turnout.

Anonymous said...

What's huge?

Anonymous said...

I'm an 01 parent but what I heard was roughly 90-100 at 02's. Hoping that's not the case for the 01 tryouts next week lol

Anonymous said...

6:58 & 10:50..does that include acceptance fees?

Anonymous said...

BS on 7pm, not true.

Anonymous said...

6:50 or PL parent

What's the verdict, are your 01's and 02's sticking together for the most part?

Anonymous said...

Not 6:50 or PL(PF, P?) Parent, but highly doubtful that PL 01's and 02's are sticking together. However, there may be some small clusters moving together. The players have been seen far and wide at various different training sessions and tryouts. Several of the players on the team have been rather itinerant anyway, having stopped at a number of different clubs through the years. It will be interesting to see how their "legacy" as far as ranking and bracket placement is passed down to whatever group of girls takes their place as the Club's team in the age group. Of course, this same legacy issue will be played out in many different clubs.

Anonymous said...

I've heard the PL goalkeeper is going to PF.

Anonymous said...

Penn Legacy Club President sent out the following edict for all coaches during the 2016/2017 season.

1. All teams will use a 4-3-3 formation.

2. There will be no practicing of set plays at any age level

3. Substitutions to be brought in at eight to ten minute intervals

4. Each player will play at least two positions during games.

5. No practicing of "headers" for 12U and under.

6. Coaches may be called coach by players, but no actual coaching is allowed during games

Are there other clubs following the US Soccer guild lines in a similar fashion?

Anonymous said...

I'm a pf parent and knew about the roster size 20 (and thought that was kind of a lot) but didn't know only 18 dress for games. I think that's horrible and very bad for morale. How does this work out at other clubs? Do they change the non dressers? Does anyone go from being a non dresser to a starter? This really has me thinking :(

Anonymous said...

8:16 - I am guessing your child is an 02 because the 01 team will carry 22 players. So that means 4 players do not suit up for games.

Also heard that players not suiting up must travel with team to away games.

Anonymous said...

I'd imagine it can change based on earning it during practices ect but in reality your always going to have a bottom of the roster. It surely doesn't help knowing you may spend $10K regardless, not knowing what will happen each game.

Anonymous said...

8:22 wtf?????

Anonymous said...

8:22

That's ridiculous if true!!

Anonymous said...

PL also mandates every player start at least every other game, irregardless of effort made at practice or previous games. Sorry, but at this level, starting and playing time should be earned. Next thing you know PL won't enter their teams into leagues that keep score. Good luck with all those rec teams.

Anonymous said...

8:16 - I agree with 8:28 i think positions 14 to 18 will maybe change with practices. The starters will for the most part be set and the 1st subs off bench. The players that play 20 min a game may change week to week.

Anonymous said...

If your kid doesnt travel with the team then does she even feel part of the team? Do her teammates look at her differently? She is missing all the team bonding and will feel like an outsider on her team.

Also, what if there are injuries in Saturdays game and they could use her in Sundays game?

Anonymous said...

It is true. 4 01's and 2 02's won't even dress for games. Take into consideration that then you have several that will dress but only see 10 minutes of play each half.

Anonymous said...

PF is sounding more and more like PDA, without the talent.

Anonymous said...

I agree and they also apparently cost more than PDA!

Anonymous said...

Next year at this time no one will even be talking ECNL anymore.

Anonymous said...

Does NPL also only allow 18 players to dress? At the PF meeting they said the NPL team could possibly have 20 players as well.

Anonymous said...

Why is ridiculous? I thought all these kids that move to ECNL teams from Non-ECNL teams are stars and will play max minutes. So why would they care about roster size?

The kids on ECNL teams that are roster depth understand what that means.

If a team has 2 ODP/id2 type forwards (NT pool level) starting and your player is 1 of 4 other forwards fighting for minutes (players have equal ability low level ODP/id2). Why is this a bad thing - you don't think they break their ass every day to try and earn those minutes and when they finally earn those 20 minutes that should be a positive stepin the right direction and a motivation for the kid who lost them. Why is this bad? Yes because it costs a lot of money and you want to watch your kid play you don't want to pay for another kid to play. Back where I grew up either you joined the game and you rolled your dice on the corner or you didn't hang with that crew because you knew why they were killing time playing craps.

Your call - but which every you choose remember you had a choice and you picked your situation so deal with it.

GS4 Life

Anonymous said...

ECNL board ---------->

Anonymous said...

8:54 I assume your daughter is not ECNL is she? Ever hear of that word Politics?

Anonymous said...

@854, most leagues only allow 18 to dress, NPL included

Anonymous said...

GS4 Life - this is bad because the girls that do not play are only practice players. If you do not get in game situations then you learn nothing. Practices are still going to be about ball skills.
Also, agree with 9:01 Politics play a part in who plays or who gets pushed to the for front of a team.

This brings up the question, do you as a parent feel being # 14 to #20 player at a club like PF will help your daughter get into a college more then your daughter actually playing at a B or C level club?

Anonymous said...

Yep If your kid isn't TC worthy or you don't have any "connections" otherwise-good luck

Anonymous said...

The best will soon be DA players and those currently near the bottom of the ECNL roster and top of NPL roster will have their time with ECNL where they'll get more attention.

Anonymous said...

Players "sit" on a rotating basis.

There are no "players that do not dress"

I like the A team/B team system better - where if you are short a player or 2 a deserving reserve gets promoted off their efforts with the second squad.

ECNL mirrors professional soccer. I guess either way works - though not dressing even for a game can be demoralizing

Anonymous said...

Don't dress/sit. Same thing. Why are people wiling to pay 10 grand for that? Even for the ones who play but play minimal minutes, it's embarrassing for them!

Anonymous said...

This is how it works. At any given point in time there will be a bottom 8 or so kids on the roster. However, the specific players move in and out of this cadre throughout the course of the year. Penn Fusion wants to win so if player 14 kills it one week they will often start the next game to see what they can do from the beginning. There is also fluidity in the starting line ups- don't let anyone tell you otherwise. Now the top 5 kids may be the top 5 kids all season and see more playing time than the others. The bottom 5 kids may or may not stay the bottom 5 but they will play less.

On the not dressing issue.

There is a roster rotation that does not include the top players. Also remember that as kids get older they get injured more frequently so 22 may really be 20 at any given time. It is not published as in these-8-kids-are-available-for-rotation for the year. It is an event by event designation and goes down as an email that says these will be the rotated players for the first game this weekend and these for the other game. However, kids are not rotated to sit out for more than one game in an event. If they sit out they have to dress in the opposite colors and sit on the bench. So if your kid is #22 and you fly to Sanford, your kid will generally play at least half a game for 2 games. That's pretty generous actually and there is as much or more grumbling from the top 11 about play time. In recruitment years, it would be better for the club to designate the sit out schedule earlier so that coaches can be noticed and not show up to watch your kid only to find out she's sitting the entire game. However that takes away the possibility that in the last week of practices and games before a big event your kid might break into the non rotating bunch so there is no clear cut answer on the timing.

Similarly if a NJ team travels for an overnight set (remember ECNL league games come in pairs)of games to Boston, kids won't sit out for both games, but they must travel and sit on the bench for their sit out game.

Overall playing time and sub patterns are generally as follows. GK split time in half for almost all (exception may be playoffs) events.
Generally they alternate starter GKs.

The top 2-3 players play the whole game. The rest of the top third 75% the middle third about 50% and the bottom third including the sit outs at about 25% However, roster relative strength changes throughout the season and kids who were starting have ended up in roster rotations. There have been rotated kids transitioning to starter.

Controversial topic but absolutely true: The Non ECNL events like CASL and Jeff cup are used to showcase kids who don't play as much in ECNL events. Committed kids don't even travel to these events on many teams. All kids get 50% or more and there isn't a rotation generally if there are enough committed kids to sit out. Few if any kids play the whole game in these events to make sure all the kids get to perform in front of coaches.

Generally in the ECNL league games there are quite a few subs at 20 minutes in a 40 minute game. A few happen at 25 and a few at 30. It is usually pretty clear where the coaches rank your kid by their sub patterns. They will also rotate positions to keep some kids in and to get some kids on the field. many kids play on the flank as both backs and forwards. They play with 3 midfielders with 3 differing responsibilities and kids will often find themselves bounced into differing responsibilities during the game. So if you think your kid should only play one position you might be unhappy.

Anonymous said...

10:18 - Sounds like a PF coach.

There are some untruths in that statement.

Anonymous said...

Thanks for the thorough explanation. This system is not for everybody, but I can see the benefits.

I worry about confidence of the players. Teenage girls, even excellent athletes, can be a bit oversensitive sometimes. Less playing time can add to losing confidence, and that can negatively their play. Slippery slope.

Anonymous said...

1018 I See you have been through this scenario before. Now what is everyone's opinion with so many tryouts coming up and big changes does one tryout and make a team that a club and coach is focus and history of getting girls to play at the college level or try to get on a team with high ranking and win's consistently on top flights in leagues and tournaments knowing it may lead to the same result of exposure.

Anonymous said...

I love try out season so much to talk about.

Anonymous said...

The first time my kid got left off the roster, she didn't get out of bed for the entire weekend. It is brutal and unhealthy. My view, is the coach should set a rotation schedule with the flexibility to make changes to it if practice is not up to snuff. That way, kids know in advance that they aren't playing. You can argue that it is about "competition" but the reality is that many there really isn't much difference between play 16 and player 22.

The subbing system is actually decent as long as coaches don't wait to get the girls in until too late. It enables girls to get uninterrupted minutes without fear of getting yanked. But I think that ECNL should specify sub times. Our club consistently puts their subs in a good 10 minutes after the other team.... C

Anonymous said...

9:18 I don't see this as a bad situation if you knew that's what it is. I would ask my daughter and lay it out just as 10:18 did (great job!!!) and if she wanted to play for an ECNL team then I would expect her to do her best and play a bunch like any parent would their kid. But there is a 50% chance I'm just a sucker who pays for some other kid to play while my kid watches. Regardless we knew what we were getting into and the one thing that no one can take away is that she will practice with very good players. Nothing else is guaranteed. Not for every child - child and parent need to be mentally tough when things go not as expected as a result of politics or player just isn't ready yet. The kid doesn't need extra pressure. I'll say not for everyone.

College - soccer was never going to get my kid into the school she wants!!Her grades will and then she will walk on to the field as a walk on and show the coaches all she learned as a "practice player" and since the coach doesn't have anything to lose she gets on the roster and because she has already gone through the fight for minutes she will be prepared and will have an edge compared to the girls that always played on their NON-ECNL teams.

I like to watch my kid play - LOVE to watch my kid play and as long as she has that smile on her face i will play the role of sucker and be there for her should she ever need it.

GS 4Life

Anonymous said...

10:18 HAS to be a coach. I get that the coach has to look out for the club and the team... but you tell me how that sounds good to any parent and player? A weekend trip to Boston that will cost about $600 to play 20 minutes as the #20 girl? Who is willing to take that $10K risk for the year? AND who is willing to put their daughter through that kind of demoralizing? FOR WHAT?????

Anonymous said...

Well said, GS4Life

WE are in the same boat

But many are not - they do not have that type academic prowess.

This is a tough grind - for the top student and the player looking to get in just on ability on the pitch. No player/parent's process should be looked down on. And all should be encouraged to continue in the sport if they wish.

Often a decision comes - keep playing (attend where you CAN play) or go to the school of your choice - this is when it is a bit tougher - .

Anonymous said...

And keep in mind, one fluke of an injury can end it all at any given time.

Anonymous said...

10:18 thank you so much for explaining. I understand now, although I don't think I like it. I think my daughter would be mortified to be sitting on the bench in the opposite colors but I suspect she will want to play for the best anyway and would live with it.

Anonymous said...

As of now no one knows who the best teams will be next year with all the changes with birth year and at this age it starts to become more about showcasing the individual player than the team. So basically making sure your daughter is on the field should be priority. To pay an insane amount of money for her to sit the bench or to get minimal playtime is doing her no good.

Anonymous said...

10:18.... "Similarly if a NJ team travels for an overnight set (remember ECNL league games come in pairs)of games to Boston, kids won't sit out for both games, but they must travel and sit on the bench for their sit out game."

This isn't necessarily true. Our club brings only those rostered for the weekend. There is no rotation Saturday/Sunday for an away weekend. Home weekends are potentially a different story.

Anonymous said...

2:13 - and your club is.....?

Anonymous said...

Sorry I meant 40 minute half not forty minute game. In fact if a kid sits out a game, they are generally not the last off the bench in the remaining game in the weekend. There are a few make up minutes given to her in that scenario. I think that is in recognition of development, but also in being sensitive to the mental stress the sit out schedule causes some.

These teams are great for the top 5 players no doubt. I think they are also great for the middle third who are challenged and motivated and pushed to improve within a great venue for exposure. I think it is a case by case on the bottom third. It might depend on why the kid is in the bottom third. lack of athleticism- can't do much there at this point and might not be able to rise up, but physical development being behind? Might catch up and rise to the top 5 with another few inches and 15 pounds. Have seen that happen. Probably an individual family decision on whether its a fit or not.

No I am not a coach, just have older kids who have been through it. What exactly isn't true? I am telling it as I saw it.

I agree there isn't much difference between 16-22 often. that's why they rotate about 8 kids into the roster rotation. It also doesn't point to one or two kids as the very bottom and keeps play time reasonable if not equal.

Anonymous said...

2:32 - what you are saying is what you see happen with your D's team. What might happen on other teams could be different? Different coaches think differently.

What club are you talking about? PF , PDA,or MF?

Anonymous said...

PF, PDA and MFA all suck.

Anonymous said...

Yes they are going in same direction. $$$.
And at PDA there are absolutely deals for discounts for most of the ECNL players on dues.
Saying no full rides is obfuscation. they pay a portion while B and C team players all pay full amount for dues.

Anonymous said...

PF needs to pay for the new fields they want to rent . Bigger roster = more $$$$$$

Anonymous said...

True

Anonymous said...

Still bulls*it, 5:07

Anonymous said...

Who's having 01 tryouts currently? How are your numbers?

Anonymous said...

Imagine a few years down the road when you have to justify to your now grown, mature daughter why you didn't step in as a parent when she was being demoralized by sitting on the bench and often humiliated when sitting in different colors when left her off roster. These are supposed to be the best times of their lives, not some horse race/meat grinder that sacrifices your child for your ego as a failed athlete. Adolescence is a difficult enough time for young girls to adapt and handle the physical and mental changes they are going through without spending so much time and effort on a team where they can't regularly play good time.My God put them on a team where they can play and develop, gain self confidence and feel good about themselves.

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