So if the rules are out and the same for boys, can we assume it's free and that some kids can still play HS? I'd the substitution rule and roster size the same? On tne boys side, this that have HS scholarships for playing soccer are allowed to play, is this tne same for the girls?
Ah, da, I don't know dude. But I know they have a choice.
https://ussoccer.app.box.com/v/girlsacademyapplicationRules are in the application. Its up to each club if they allow girls to play high school. You just cant play GDA and High School at the same time. GDA would still need to be able to field teams for the fall and any girls playing high school could not be on those teams in the fall.... but could return to the club after high school season. Remains to be seen if the clubs will allow it.
Regarding the "free" thing...you'll find that the only boys DA clubs that are offering this are the ones that have partnership/sponsorship from a MLS clubJust remember that your daughter has to actually make the team...don't get your panties all bunched up over the rules just yet!
115 Not totally correct bigger boy's DA clubs have players playing for free also. Also people forget as this is an 02 blog your daughter will be competing with 01's next year for a DA roster. They don't necessarily follow the birth year changes. Current Boys DA Age Landscape for 2016/2017:U12 - 04'sU13 - 03'sU14 - 02'sU15 - 01'sU15/U16 - 00's/01'sU17/U18 - 99's/98's
Is this accurate?Thus in fall '17 - first year of girls DA - '01s will be the oldest in their group ('02/'01)Same for '99's ('00/'99) and '03s ('04/'03)Is it mandated that clubs keep a good mix - such that there will be 8-10 slots for the '02s?
1:32Up to the individual club, no blanket statement works here
230 I'm 132 its a fact go ahead and look at the boys DA age groupings if you want. Why would the girls follow the same thing. Yes 2:02 it's accurate. I'm following what our DA club has mentioned already.
So let me get this straight as I have an 03 daughter playing up with 02's if she moves to a DA club next year and makes it she will be considered U14 come Fall of 2017. A little confused as I thought the reason to go birth year changes by the US Federation was to align every thing else up with the identification process why does DA do years like that and combine age years at U15/U16 & U17/U18
DA next year will be 1999/2000, 2001/2002, 2003/2004.
To put those year groupings in graduating class perspective you have:(12th and 11th graders), (11th, 10th, and 9th graders), and (9th, 8th, and 7th graders) in each of the three respective age groupings.
Any opinions good or bad about Next Gen Soccer ? Thanks !
Next Gen: hard to say. Girls side was Meredith, but she left and a new guy has stepped in (won women's premiere league last season). They started off as a Talent Identification program for EDP, created their select teams, and broke off from EDP. Their select teams end up getting showcased a lot (foreign tours, surf cup), but its seems its hard to break through from their Character of Champions into the select team.The training is decent - IMHO better than ODP, but i dont think their select layers participate on the Character of Champions training, so the dedication/competition at the training may be mixed.
NexGen also is just another Money Grab program! Another layer of supplemental training then big payout for (Camps, foreign tours, tournament like Surf Cup). Yes it can be better than ODP training but it doesn't have the exposure from ODP's regional tournament and Camp with collegiate coaches watching at U15 and above. Also foreign tours what's the point of that at this age and it's a 1% chance a player get's recruited at a West Coast School so no point to do Surf Cup. Focus on your club team ask for extra sessions with older teams if you feel you DD needs it.
Thank you both for your opionions . Many valid points . Since our family is not rolling in cash the oversea tours probably wouldn't even be an option for us . I will explore other options . Thank you !
Great we have Granny Nazi, and Money Grab Guy where are the rest of the folks that have been here the last few years. Wildcats Mom, Redhead, PL Guy, GS 4 Life Guy, etc. Nothing against Money Grab Guy but he does give valid points like why travel West when if you look at those rosters of the Cali schools it's a rarity of a player to choose or be chosen to attend a school out there. Makes me wonder why ECNL has holds it events out west.
If you made the NextGen select team, or Region 1 ODP, you are the 1%. Region 1 ODP with all the fees - probably a couple times more expensive.If you are not on a select team, and travel abroad - that's just sports tourism. Not good if you aint got that extra dough.
1008 Great points but again how do you get into the select and region teams by paying dues correct so the Money Grab Guy makes valid points. If your doing NTC monthly monthly and make it to the Regional NTC Combine which is all free, in my opinion those are truly the 1%.
I am the Grammar Granny, not Granny Nazi you putz. As fas as NextGen goes, if you got the money why not? Don’t see it as being super special, but what is, NTC? Kids can go there for years and never make combines, its just extra practice, again, if you don’t mind, its cool.
I think the issue is that you pay the dues and do not make the select team. IMHO, that's the money grab. NTC is the 0.1%. NextGen will tell you that "so and so select team had 3 NTC players" in the money_grab_advert. If you get free training (RTC) - grab it. If you want to see if you can get better training from your club or NextGen or wherever - see if you can attend a session. The training is probably for kids that are 2003 or younger..
One of the best players on our club’s 01 team has gone down with a serious injury, but now I fear that they will call-up my daughter to shore-up the team. I will object to this move, she needs to play her age 02, and be some kind of fill-in for the 01 team, even though she would be a big help to them. Any thoughts?
If the club values development over winning, it would first call up a "B" team player at '01, and if no "B" team, rotate call ups from the '02 team so that more than one player has the opportunity to play with the '01s, but they do not leave the '02s for an extended period of time.
That sounds logical and fair, let’s see what they do....
What are you afraid of?Get her in there vs older players if she has the ability.
ACL injuries are often just freak occurencesBlaming it on overuse is silly
8:55 I am not even going to debate that, since you are beyond the conversation. Do you even have a daughter playing soccer?
8:55Do you drive a white cargo van without windows by chance?
855 is correct. Move on dude, u are boring us.
Unlike many of the discussions on this Blog, overuse injury is one that actually has merit and is worthy of further discussion because there are varying medical opinions. One school of thought with respect to the anterior cruciate ligament (ACL), is that injury susceptibility may not be from overuse of the ACL itself, but overuse of the hamstring muscle group causing muscle weakness and imbalance. This can lead to increased strain to the ACL. Strength training should be part of any athletes training program, but is often overlooked in club soccer.
Yes, the science of injury is making great strides, but parents still do not understand that every player needs some amount of rest. As an example the train/play ratio should always be 3 x 1, it's the mandate from USSF, and I am a big proponent of the protocol. As far as ACL injuries, sometimes it's just genetics, and old fashioned bad luck.
High School soccer is tough to watch. I don't think there are ever 3 balls in a row played on the ground by either team...and my daughter's team is pretty competitive, it's just not good soccer.
First I did not say my daughters team sucked, I clearly said they are competitive (haven't lost this year, scrimmage and season games), second your passing team would be the exception for highschool. I have watched many games with the top teams in the state and the ball is in the air way too much and third, just because your team doesn't give up a lot of goals doesn't mean the team plays good soccer. Not sure why the GA is brought into the discussion?
I guess his "top shelf" daughter is the goalie?
My daughters HS team got clobbered last night, but there was a small silver-lining. One of the opposing parents commented, wonder why #? is not in the game, that girl could play. That made my night.
High school can be hard to watch, but it is about the team spirit building of an experience that the girls will take with them forever. And, this time of the year most of the play is about chemistry and learning to play together. Many kids don't even play soccer outside of school. And, sometimes the coaches out-coach themselves making switches that just confuse the kids (as they are not used to playing with each other and some are not soccer players outside of school) and the switches are not useful anyway. Most times, it's just long ball. Hope they have fun.
Yes, other than building friendships, high school ball means nothing in the true soccer world. The type of soccer, mostly long ball, the speed of play (or lack thereof), the unnecessary add'l practices, just hope they get through it without injury. Good luck to all in hs soccer, currently. Have fun!
And, hs ball keeps the local newspaper reporters busy and relevant. Miss those print papers.
I hear you about coaches outcoaching themselves. I have watched my kids' hs coaches continuously outcoach themselves the past couple of years. Luckily the kids can play. But this is why kids get hurt, too. And, they move kids to new positions gametime. What a mess. Team was quite successful with kids in their original positions. This is something you do in practice not gametime. This is how kids get hurt. They are not experiments. Some of them are going to play in college (some are already committed). I absolutely hate high school soccer. I can't wait for the DA next year.
I hear ya. In high school, they forget not everyone on the team/field plays soccer outside of high school or at the same level so making on the field positional changes with kids that don't know the other positions can be very chancey with the teams overall safety. Is it December yet?
And sad to say, there are HS coaches that resent club players and have an adversarial relationship with them. Such a power struggle. They think they should be the ones responsible for the player's skill and talent!
Anyone from bucks on this Board? If so, any input into the u14 team. They have played two games and getting destroyed and havnt even played the top teams yet. Doesn't seem right having a team already lose by more than 10 goals a game.
This is the U15 board, please go complain on the U14 board.Thanks in advance.
11:33 wrong age board but impossible to comment on this except that they are obviously a bad team
Just saw the scores on ecnl, this doesn't look right.
Bucks has internal coaching issues.There were several SJEB players on that 02 team last year that bolted once the season ended. From what I gathered, they didn't walk, they ran.I know of at least three 03 players who followed coach to 02 team. It's possible that this new 03 team is made up of 04s.
I thought SJEB merged with RUSH? Why would anyone leave a big merger for that for Bucks?
NY/NJ/PA at CASLContinental FC Delco Ecnl 02Empire United Rochester G15 2002FC Copa LimaAlbertson Soccer Club FURY '02ISA 02G NPLLVU 2002 Girls BlackMassapequa Lil' RowdiesNew Jersey Rush 02 Girls GreyNJ Wildcats Averbuch NPLPda Storm ECNLWorld Class FC '02 ECNL
Aren't College coaches banned from going to North Carolina because of HB2?
No the college coaches will be there. And down the street the NCAA championship is being played as a matter of fact, and each team gets 16 tickets for the girls to go to the matches. One ticket for each match. NJ only has 4 teams it seems? Match Fit no? Looks like PDA and Wildcats dreams can come true. Since Cats were finalist I am sure they will be top bracket with PDA. Along with WC, Alberston and CFD? Cats can possibly play PDA in finals.....
255 Incorrect NO NCAA championship Finals games will be played at NC for any sport.
255 Also there is no Finals it's a showcase, welcome to recruitment years, it's not winning championships and GS points anymore pal.
Division I Soccer Championship (Dec 2nd -> 4th, same as CASL) is being moved out of Cary and out of North Carolina. So the top college coaches will be away anyway, right?http://www.ncaa.com/news/ncaa/article/2016-09-12/ncaa-relocate-championships-north-carolina-2016-17
Perhaps CASL should re-think the "exhibition" concept? I assume without the Greensboro, aka Division III championships and Division I coaches, we'll at least get cheap hotels!
I'm 309 and I wasn't being a jerk or A-hole I just hate people that post on here not knowing about the info they post. We are at U15 now not U11, U12 or U13 that most likely 255 is coming from. Yes CASL will be the place to be to kick off this age group with really good competition, unfortunately I lobbied my daughter's coach to go but he did not think it was worth it since half the team are still 8th graders. He'd rather chase a points tournament instead. We will definitely be looking for a new squad next year, where most of the girls are not a school year younger!
What makes you think you'd have been accepted?
acceptances are done, coaches have been emailed, and teams have been notified to book rooms and arrange transportation. My daughter plays for below team.NY/NJ/PA at CASLContinental FC Delco Ecnl 02Empire United Rochester G15 2002FC Copa LimaAlbertson Soccer Club FURY '02ISA 02G NPLLVU 2002 Girls BlackMassapequa Lil' RowdiesNew Jersey Rush 02 Girls GreyNJ Wildcats Averbuch NPLPda Storm ECNLWorld Class FC '02 ECNL
Interesting to see PDA Storm in '02sThe national player is with Splash now, I guess, or did they move on once again?
I believe 2 others are with the 02s
1131 the national player is a 2001, PDA Sorm is the 2002 ECNL players.
Any inside scoop on teams accepted to Disney?
8:57 - Is your inquiry about which teams have been accepted, or about information on each of the teams that have been accepted? The acceptance list is available on GotSoccer.
Looking for Disney accepted teams
Disney U15G accepted teams available here:https://events.gotsport.com/events/teamlist.aspx?EventID=52947&Gender=Girls&AgeBracket=15Note that this is also a NL event.
Only Orange Crush in Orlando.
People there are many teams going to FL events in Dec., Disney is not the only event. Let me ask everyone's opinion how many college coaches will actually stay a full weekend into and past New Year's Eve vs. returning home to families. It's overbearing enough to watch that many games starting from 28th(NPL/ECNL events). So I do not see many staying around past Sunday for the other events. Can anyone with experience from older kids know how many coaches actually came to watch U15 at Disney? Disney Showcase(Orlando Fl.): Dec. 31 - Jan.3 - Accepted Teams ListedNPL Showcase(Palm Coast Fl.): Dec. 29-31 - Teams not listed yetUS Youth National League Showcase(Orlando): Dec. 31 - Jan.2 - Teams not listed yetECNL Showcase(Sanford, FL.): Dec. 28-30 - Teams not listed yet
A lot of coaches at ECNL showcase, a lot at Disney. The only coaches that will be at the NPL showcase will be the ones coaching their club teams.
NL teams are among the teams on the Disney accepted list.
Disney Showcase is much more about the experience and grandeur than it is about recruiting. Best wishes to all going as this could be your stepping stone....
so one NJ team TSF. lol
What's the aim of going to a showcase tourney so early in the season - especially when the teams are reshuffled in such a heavy way. I'm not sure when the U15+ teams start practice - but I cant believe that serious practices would start before November, and the teams will have 4-6 games before the showcase. How long does it take for a team to get to a "showcase" form in the season? especially since most of the teams will be brand new anyway. Even great teams like IGFA or Stallions (from last year's U15) have largely split up.
Disney early in the season? It's over the New Year holiday weekend in January, the effective midpoint of the current team roster period. By March, tryouts will have started and teams will be looking at reconstituting.There are plenty of U15 teams currently training and in action, including many of the better teams in Region I. Many of these teams will be at Disney, and many have experienced little change from their prior U13 rosters.
If you are talking about the U15s that are primarily made up of 8th grade girls that are practicing now (aka U13s last year that stayed together) - they will have a hard time once they start playing 9th graders. Compare the youthsoccerrankings.us for the typical U13 to U14 difference of last year's teams. Top 3 U13 teams with the rankings of, 32-33 will be in the top 20 versus those U14 teams. Even looking at composition of v good teams and some of the discussion (e.g. Match Fit) you can tell that there is a lot new talent. Change in 3-4 players can be significant.
We will crush them all, they will wither in the sun, no mickey mouse for you comrades.
1:50 That's a bunch of rubbish on rankings as well as Gotsoccer rankings, we are in a transitional year of change followed by another come spring to next fall with GDA. So as of right now there is no ranking you can follow it will be up to these upcoming showcases/tournaments end of fall and during the winter that will help gauge where teams fall. Also just because a team is made up of 8th graders doesn't necessarily mean they will struggle with 9th graders they are all born the same year 2002 for this blog. The BYC shifted age there are talents on both ends of the move.
The GS rankings only matter when you are #1, so to me, they matter dude : )
And that top GS team is mostly 2021s.
So this year we will see a stratification that will only become more pronounced next year with DA. The Ecnl draw is even stronger this year because pda, mf, wc all got DA. PDA will be an actual top team in the country, WC has the core of MF that made them so strong last year, MF will likely have a new crew of some very good soccer players as well. Dont be foolish to underestimate the ecnl/da draw. All these teams will have some special players. Also the times these teams play outside teams will become more and more limited going forward. They are only becoming more insulated. EDP has the second level teams but there are only 5-6 good teams across the three top divisions. They blew it not consolidating into a super group. Npl has a couple good teams and a bunch of pretty good teams. Truth be told a lot of teams with 4-6 good players. Very few with 12-13 outside ecnl. The 8th grade teams will struggle with athleticism.
What happened to sdfc 02 last weak. They got waxed 5-0. Was it closer than the scoreline or are better soccer teams just starting to emerge? If its the same coach and same kids thats a pretty bad beat. But they have slowly gotten weaker and weaker. Maybe coach just not teaching the kids anything useful anymore.
How could it be the same kids?Obviously some '02s came down from the U14 Samba team - and the older U13s complete the puzzle - minus any defectionsCould be some '03s were instrumental in the past success. Could also be the mix needs time to gel
Looks to be the same kids. Maybe they just havent really improved. Probably time for a real trainer.
SDFC is the factor of playing older more complete players v. the time U13. Jumping up an age group will be a telling story for many teams that stayed together and jumped over U14 year. It will take time for many of these teams to adjust again against the physical, stronger, and athletic players.
712I have older kids. Rest assured Disney showcase is clearly about recruiting. A ton of coaches and a ton of interest leading to offers came down from this to my kids' teams. You will find out about interest in the top players at u15 who are also Freshmen in high school in December probably after CASL and then Disney in January. The coaches will start tracking the 8th graders,but you may not know your kid is being tracked. 2 years after they first started tracking one of my kids, a top tier coach reached out to start communications. We started getting emails from coaches (of course transmitted through club coach in NCAA compliant manner) in the winter of her freshman year and its even earlier now. Disney presents a real opportunity to begin to gauge your kid's level (assuming she isn't a very late or very early bloomer) from the resulting interest it generates for her.
9:55 makes no sense. The team u lost to is also an ex u13. You wont see real u15 til late fall.
957 Understood but like someone posted a few days ago, which event will coaches attend? As most likely your daughter when she attend Disney years ago there was not as many conflicting events for coaches to recruit from?
The coaches will go to Sanford first and Disney immediately after. Both events will be well covered.Next year is unknown once the DA events are scheduled.
147 is correct look at last year's turnout for Coaches that attended Disney. Just count how many D1 schools were there. They may not or watch U15's yet but the fact they are there is good for anyone attending. http://events.gotsport.com/events/collegecoaches.aspx?EventID=45989
So U15 at disney. Saw all the colleges some great soccer schools and some great schools and some are both. Lets assume the number of schools you kid would want to play for on that list is 15. Those schools will not waste any time. They will have pre selected some games then maybe watch bits of some games. But dont you think u 16 will be a better place to spend time where everyone is in 9th or 10th grade. Ivies are probably only going 16/17. But assume you are in the top division of u15. Why are they coming to see your team? Do you have a national team player? An id2 player? Region odp player in 02? Or multiple? If not then why your team? Each school has 1-2 coaches attending. Do you really think they camp out and watch teams at one field or do a very targeted approach?Are you lucky enough to play an ecnl team with multiple aforementioned all star girls?For each family to spend min 1k each so 20k per team. Maybe you could.hire a real college consultant to get your kids up to par with the process. U16/u17 maybe. U15 not so much especially an 8th grade heavy team.
You are correct regarding mid majors. You are not correct regarding how top level power 5s recruit the top kids and when. The will show up to highly ranked u15s team's games to generally scout for players fitting their criteria: gk, tall CB, fast CB, fast winger. creative ACM, goal scorer etc. They will enter interesting kids, definitely including 8th graders, into their database of kids to watch. They will then show up to that team's games to watch the couple kids they identified potentially over more than a year before anyone even knows that a kid is being tracked. They will usually reach out to non YNT ninth graders to express beginning interest in January of ninth grade. Maybe an unofficial visit in the spring. Multiple visits by the end of summer into fall 10th gade and offers falling into laps during that same time period. Shift that timeline by a year for most mid majors. Half a year for most lower level power 5s. These are general statements. individual schools may be very different. Georgetown runs later than most top 25s (though they are a big east team and not a power 5). Clemson later than most top ACC. UNC, DUke and Penn State have their 4-5 YNT players locked in by the end of ninth grade generally. Virginia a little later closer to Clemson. etc.The second tier players (usually roster spot to 20%) are recruited at some power 5s about a year after the blue chippers and will be getting interest from mid majors at the same time.You will know where your kid stands if she is a blue chipper in January this year if she's a ninth grader and maybe a year or less later if she's in 8th. I don't think it's clear yet on how the colleges will react to u15 8th graders. Whether they will treat them pretty much as ninth graders and start sending their coaches emails or will they wait. If the former recruiting timelines may be earlier still. But rest assured there will be more coaches checking out TEAMS at U15 than there are at U17 where they will be watching PLAYERS.
425 U15 will be treated like U14's before the BYC. The landscape of recruitment has shifted as prior to BYC the age groups were more in line with school year cutoffs about 2 months for many states. Now teams are split down the middle for each age and schools will shift at the older teams prior to hitting U15. You have to remember there are freshman born 2001 playing at U16 now those will be targeted prior to a 2002 at U15. When DA arrives scouting will shift again especially with the higher end schools.
I disagree that they will be treated as u14. There will be more freshmen than 8th graders at this age and with the continuing trend of early recruiting, there will be a lot of attention paid to this age group both the 8th and 9th graders at the top events: ecnl showcases and national league.
One of my kids was being tracked as an eighth grader by top ACC and SEC school starting in eighth grade she was playing up at the time. Ultimately committed to one of them. They told us at visits how long they were watching her. This began several years ago.
3:49, sorry but I call BS on your post, cannot believe your 8th grader was being tracked by those schools, please don't waste our time.
You can call it what you want. Call the top 8 ACC schools and ask them when they start tracking kids. You can say I am full of it regarding mine (not ...but whatever... it isn't important regarding one kid the bigger issue is the point), but if you are trying to lobby against a top team's attendance at a top national event you will do a disservice to the top half of the team. Very easy to do. Or if you are a top club just ask the DOC.
100% true. I know personally some 8th graders who have allowable contact. Evaluations in 8th and 9th are common and offers in 10th or earlier.
Yes Evaluations in 8th and 9th are common for the top 1% or 2% all others take a back seat until end of Freshman or sophomore year. @3:49/7:51 glad you had that your oldest got that exposure early she probably fell in the top % of the group correct (YNT, ID2, ODP Regional player etc.) You will need to give the people on this blog a little more detail on what type of player she was to get the early looks not because they play on a top team in the region or ECNL team like most that look or post on this blog.
After three weeks of play, the separation within the EDP U15 1st Division is becoming apparent. As expected, Arsenal leads the North with Force and SDFC right behind, and all three clearly dominating the others. NJ Rush Grey leads the Central group, which as a whole is the most balanced group. North United, HMMS, and Pipeline are meeting expectations and dominating the South group. North United and Pipeline fought to a 1-1 draw this past weekend. The current standings look like this: North W-D-L GF/GA Pts1: ARSENAL MAXIMUS RED 3-0-0 12/0 92: FORCE FC FORCE 2-0-0 12/0 63: SDFC YELLOW 2-0-1 17/7 64: TSF ACADEMY 0-0-1 0/3 05: WAYNE SC GGG 0-0-2 1/17 06: LAGRANGE STRIKERS 0-0-3 1/16 0Central1: NEW JERSEY RUSH GREY 3-0-0 5/2 92: CHERRY HILL DESTROYERS 2-0-1 6/3 63: WARRINGTON NINJAS 1-1-0 4/2 44: TWIN COUNTY XTREME 1-1-2 3/4 45: MONTGOMERY UNITED 0-1-1 2/4 16: HAVERFORD ELITE 0-1-2 3/6 17: HFC READY 0-0-1 0/2 0N/A: SJEB RUSH 02 WHITE (no matches played)South1: NORTH UNITED RUSH 3-1-0 20/4 102: HMMS IMPACT 3-0-0 14/1 93: PIPELINE BLACK 2-1-0 10/1 74: ARUNDEL PUMAS 2-0-1 4/3 65: SUPERNOVA BLACK 1-1-1 5/5 46: PHWM RED 1-0-2 2/17 37: BALT BAYS LIGHTNING 0-1-2 3/6 18: CESC CALVERT-ELITE 0-1-2 2/10 19: SAC PREMIER BLUE 0-1-2 3/11 110: HYS THUNDER BLACK 0-0-2 1/6 0
I posted about one of my children's experience because I think the top u15 teams should be traveling to national level events. For sure most of their 9th graders and even their 8th graders will benefit from the exposure. Again we did not know at the time that our 8th grader was being tracked by several well recognizable "name" schools. When I look back on the lists the parents kept (yes I saved them on my hard drive and now I am reluctant to delete the memories- corny I know) several were at many games and we had no idea at the time that they were watching our kid among many others. It also bears mentioning that she sent no emails to coaches at that time believing it was "too early". She was an above average player on her team, started, but she was playing up a year at the time she first started being tracked. She has a fall birthday and that team would largely be her age group now. She did get 1 invite to id2, was in the ODP regional pool, but did not get invited to national ODP camp at u13, and was not invited to a u14/15 national camp. She was a solid player, but no one would call her a "star". She has developed well since then and some of the colleges that were tracking her increased their interest over time. However conversely, some fell off on their interest as they found players they liked better. I have a a good deal of experience now from my boys (way different) and girls and much written on these blogs is just wrong. Please find someone who has been through the process with a kid at a similar level as yours- if you can guess that- to use a resource especially if your child's coach/DOC is inexperienced or closed regarding the process. One last tidbit: the coaches don't always remember to forward emails or remember to tell you a coach texted them or called them about your child...
12:47. Edp totally blew it. They had a chance to put a great group together with 8 really solid teams. Instead they have teams losing by 10 in league play. This isnt ayso or town. Terrible terrible product this fall.
Agreed, that is the problem with having teams not be accountable from u12-u17, you have these one-off champions and pretty much all the rest. NJ Rush Grey (super-team) has no where else to play, besides the USYS mafia, and their lackies...
I see Rush Grey but who is SJEB Rush White? Isn't there a SJEB Rush Blue and SJEB Rush Premier team as well? Are they not playing EDP?
If you want to add parity, fine the team that loses by 7 or more goals more than once. Problem solved. Generally, I would say EDP has the best structure for team promotion/demotion. It's hard with age group change. If you look at ECNL/NPL leagues you always get teams that get the 0-6 scores on a consistent basis.
I think it was pretty obvious this year. The only surprise was sdfc 5-0 loss to arsenal. U thought sdfc would be better. Force was not good in u14 last year North is super weak. Force tied a much weaker tsf. Rush grey and cherry hill obvious. North united, hmms, pipeline obvious. Could have given tsf and pwhm a pass because they were decent last year. How does wayne soccer a town team get in? Given up 17 goals in 2 games. How is that good for anyone?
GGG merged with Wayne which merged with Stallions. They actually have 2 good younger teams that are coached by the DOC.I'm assuming someone looked at Stallions brand and gave them a pass based on the pedigree of their DOC. Unfortunately their older teams fell apart due to age group change, and many kids left to play elsewhere. I just saw they were still looking to have "late tryouts" for older age groups.
The SJEB/RUSH U15 group is actually three teams. Essentially and A,B, and C team. The are located in Southern NJ. I believe the teams are composed of girls from both clubs. Not much is known. Does not look like any of the teams have played.
Stallions and Wayne? With these two freaks running the show, nothing good will come from it. This will help clubs like crush and sdfc, to watered down in north jersey anyway.
SJEB RUSH 02 GIRLS ACADEMY WHITE is a new team. No history and no roster publicly available. It is a different team from SJEB RUSH 02 GIRLS ACADEMY BLUE (fka Rush Blue, Rage Renegades).
Pretty much every team is new or at least 50% of most rosters correct.
2:05. Untrue. Some clubs dont have that option. Hmms arsenal north united rush grey. Pretty much the same or they would not have a full fall season
7:17 - Agree. The only teams that have experienced significant change are the ECNL teams that are strictly holding to birth year, and experience high turnover anyway as they recruit new and presumably better players (e.g. Penn Fusion-Legacy).
942 agree and those teams will also go through another change when DA rosters are beginning in the later part of spring. A lot of turmoil and unrest I can see happening as well.
Here's a look at five of the top teams that competed in the USYSA Region I U13 Championship in 2016 and that moved to U15 for the 2016-2017 season.Pipeline - 78% of U15 roster were on the U13 roster.North United - 78% of the U15 roster were on the U13 roster.HMMS - 78% of the U15 roster were on the U13 roster.Rush Blue - 67% of the U15 SJEB/Rush roster were with U13 Rush Blue.South Shore - 75% of the U15 roster were on the U13 roster.At least among these teams, there appear to be no dramatic changes.
Id2 tomorrow. What clubs have kids going?
9:14 clubs that develop their kids or that recruit already developed kids. raleigh id2 had 15 kids from NJ and NY
LOL on Stallions talk"Older groups" Freedom (U16) and Stampede will be just fine, thanks
Stallions has u16 and u17. I think thetly also have u12/13 as well. But nothing in between. Thats a pretty big gap. They just cant compete with the majots. Yes dynamite did great. Does not seem like they can parlay that into something more. Especially being npl/edp with DA coming. I heard stampede lost some good players.
older groups will be fine once they can recruit new players again. seems i get daily emails about tryouts at these groups now.
Dynamite is old news and they were at 5 different clubs prior. Doc had a one trick pony, but its history now.Stallions has no fields, no decent teams and just another money grab.
9:14 surprisingly not too many 2002s. place was packed with 2003 girls
9:17 2 young teams are a lot of promise. older teams - probably last season together.
Stallions U14 and U15 are in NPL
Freedom U16 is a very strong team
How much of the freedom team is left from last year? One of the dads said it was like 5 girls.
I HATE high school soccer!!
Here is a look at EDP First Division after week four. In the North, Arsenal asserts its dominance by blasting Force FC 7-0. Arsenal goes to 4-0 with 19 GF and none against. SDFC, which was also blasted by Arsenal 5-0 earlier in the season, hangs in second place. Among the Central Division teams, Rush Grey remains undefeated with a 2-0 win over Warrington. Cherry Hill holds second place with a 2-0 win over Harleysville. Rush Grey beat Cherry Hill 2-1 earlier in the season. Of note, SJEB Rush played its first game easily defeating Haverford 7-1. SJEB Rush will be the team to challenge Rush Grey. Not quite a sibling rivalry, but certainly a family feud. In the south, Pipeline hoses down Super Nova 5-0 and North United nets three against nil by the Baltimore Bays. HMMS was idle. North United retains first place on points. No games next weekend because of EDP tournament and WAGS. Arsenal, Pipeline, and HMMS are in three separate brackets in the top flight at WAGS. Arsenal will take on Loudon, Tophat and Austin Sting. Pipeline gets Levittown, PAC, and FC Virginia. HMMS faces PHWM, Cleveland FC, and Dallas Sting.
Are there any other 02 teams playing? Or are these just the teams from last year u13 that were forced to move up a year. Would be interesting to see how these teams do in the spring at tournaments like PDA and Jeff cup when the real 02 teams come out to play.
Isn't this the U15 page? Therefore 2002s?
11:19 - What do you mean by "02 team" and "real 02 team"? I would presume that teams playing at U15 are mostly comprised of 2002 birth year, although there may be a few 2003s scattered in. The more pertinent question is what class the players are in 2020 or 2021. Is a "real 02 team" a team that is mostly class of 2020?
Really depends on the team...I've seen almost even split 2020 and 2021Same with U16/2001, almost even split 2019, 2020
As a reference was made to PDA in conjunction with a "real 02 team", let's take a look at PDA ECNL U15: That team is about 2/3 2020, 1/3 2021. Considering girls born through August 2002 are likely class of 2020, and girls born between September and December 2002 are likely class of 2021, it's logical to conclude that a 2002 team would be comprised of 2/3 2020s and 1/3 2021s. I suppose that would be a "real 02 team".
1:43 - Sorry but school age cutoff is not Aug. It's mostly Sept 1st or Oct. 1st in most states. http://ecs.force.com/mbdata/mbquestRT?rep=Kq1402
Saw many new faces on the SJEB/RUSH Blue team on Saturday including a new coach.
2016 Bethesda Premier Cup accepted teams are out. No surprises.
Einstein at 1:43 - What do you think "through August" means? Most literate people understand through to mean to the end of the month, or August 31st, which is effectively the same as September 1st when considering cutoff dates.
I also cannot stand high school soccer. These ladies are 16/17 years old. How do they consistently kick the ball out of bounds under pressure. When do these girls learn to pass back to keeper or switch fields, we have been doing that since U12 at the very least in our club, and my daughter is a freshman? It sickens me and should sicken the soccer world in general. We are in a smaller division in our High School, so maybe this is not common? Also how about distributing from the keeper and keeping possession, is it only punts, is that all they ever do and hope to win the 50/50? Those two things are maddening, sure you punt once in a while, I get that. But to pass back to a defender, who can then can pass up and create opportunity
My daughter passed back to the keeper and her HS coach went ballistic. She was told never to do that again, only very good teams can do that. Don't expect much from HS Soccer.
3:29 and 4:38 unfortunately my experience is the same. Few HS coaches are even qualified - public or private. It is painful to watch and worse is my daughter is playing down to it.
School ball season can't end soon enough....The issue with a pass back in high school soccer is that it is very often used by weaker players that aren't attack mindedMany coaches, however, do not understand the value in a pass back that can very often draw players out and open up space
At least in Southeastern PA, HS soccer is rather high quality and some teams are rather difficult to make with many rostering few if any freshman on varsity. It's entertaining watching the PF, CFC, PAC, FCB, LVU, LDC, HMMS and other well known club players pitted against each other, particularly when club teammates go against each other as HS rivals. It's also interesting to see who the impact players are in the HS game. A few highly touted club players have been shut down this season while lesser knowns have stepped up.
High school ball is about memories built with your classmates so you can bond, nothing more. Most AD's don't understand sophisticated soccer so they over schedule them for games and practices. I was ready for it to end about a week into it (and our team is good). As far as the girls that just kick out the ball, there are teams (including in SE PA) that have kids on the team that don't play soccer outside of school. So, they simply don't understand how to look up the field for the counter. And, the amount of shots taken 18 yds out is just astounding. It's like they look down at the line and just gotta get rid of the ball. Just a waste of possession, but they don't understand and just won't. Again, it's high school. Don't expect much and you won't be disappointed. As far as the back passes, I have seen our kids send them with keeper saying don't (as there was a girl right there) and they do it anyway. Luckily our keeper is very good and knows how to play with her feet. My beef is the refing. We get retirees it appears, mostly. No way they are keeping up with the play. They have their oxygen tanks in their cars and need them. Horrible.
Oh forgot to add, the reason it is horrible for the older refs to be involved is that they allow TOO much physical contact. I have seen at least two games where girls should have been given red cards. Cheap plays that have injured kids. Not even a warning. The refs should be held accountable (and I mean fined, suspended or more) when that happens. It's their job to control the game.
out of all the above posts, I took one solid thing. My daughter is playing down. You have to to adapt to the situation. That is almost the worst part. Playing with inferior players is a killer. Lets be honest.
Gives her a good chance to show leadership, even some teaching skills.Of course some girls wot take to it well, but the good could outweigh the bad.HS ball imperfect - to say the least?OK, we are going to play anyway - lets try to make something positive of it.One word of advice - keep your daughter's behaviors in check. Calm acceptance often rules over outward shows of frustration.@prayingfordaughter'shealthlikeevryoneelse
9:19That is probably because it's a different game. One that a good club player isn't used to. It's sloppy and most just dump it up top. Possession goes out the window. Too many players are selfish and because of this great scoring opportunities are missed. I know we are all anxiously awaiting it to end in my household.
Here is the latest NSCAA high school girls soccer rankings for PA and NJ:1 Northern Highlands (Allendale, N.J.) 9-0-0 2 Pennsbury (Fairless Hills, Pa.) 6-0-0 3 Norwin (Irwin, Pa.) 12-0-0 4 Hunterdon Central (Flemington, N.J.) 7-1-1 5 Neshaminy (Langhorne, Pa.) 8-1-1 6 Parkland (Allentown, Pa.) 12-0-0 7 Westfield (Westfield, N.J.) 9-0-2 8 Conestoga Valley (Lancaster, Pa.) 12-0-0 9 Scotch Plains Fanwood (Scotch Plains, N.J.) 7-0-3 10 Canon-McMillan (Canonsburg, Pa.) 9-0-1 11 Colts Neck (Colts Neck, N.J.) 5-1-1 12 Watchung Hills (Warren, N.J.) 8-2-0 13 Manheim Township (Lancaster, Pa.) 10-1-0 14 Eastern (Voorhees Township, N.J.) 8-0-0 15 Spring-Ford (Royersford, Pa.) 12-0-0Some of the early season favorites such as Cumberland Valley, Immaculate Heart Academy, Montclair, and Villa Joseph Marie have fallen by the wayside despite having some brand-name players on the rosters.
We have teams in our area (SE PA) with better records that aren't even listed. Like most of these lists not very reliable. Thank you, though. Does it matter for anything other than being another list?
I noticed the Penn Fusion player is not on newest roster for the U14 GNT. Hopefully PA can represent again soon.
As I read these posts about HS soccer, it's amazing that each one describes our school, no matter what region!!!
12:38 - The rankings have a lot to do with strength of schedule, so there may be teams with better records that have not played stronger teams. It does matter when you correlate HS soccer with club soccer. There is a rough correlation between location of the better high school programs and location of the better club programs, which all goes to the demographics of youth soccer. A interesting comparison also arises when girls programs are compared to boys programs. There are critics of soccer development in the US, but to understand the soccer development process, I argue you must also understand the soccer demographics. HS is one component of the soccer demographics. If you dig deep, you will find an interesting distribution of the PDA and PF kids among the teams on the list.
9:22 - t/y - We participate in a league in philly/burbs that have private schools and they have kids re nat'l team, a bunch of really good ECNL kids, CFC,PF,MF,PDA, FCB and other high level USYS teams (1776, Strikers, Europa, etc). And they play other private schools in NJ (that also have PDA, MF, WC, YMS (nat'l champ) players). Would these schools be a contender for consideration?
10:04 - You describe schools like GA, Westowne, Hill, etc. Contention may depend on whether they are part of PIAA, or truly independent. Playing Pennington is one thing, playing Sidwell is completely different. Likely not ranked if not eligible to contend for a state championship.
Can all the PA guys just go away, call vote for Trump, this is a NJ/NY board, and we (NY) can make fun of NJ.
in other words:Penn Fusion sucksPenn Legacy sucksYMS especially sucksHershey park sucksPhiladelphia PA sucks, as do the eagles, and Phillies, but mostly the flyersPoconos suckRoute 80 sucks all the timeFinally, anything west of NJ sucks...good night.
Thank you. The girls' schools like GA, Penn Charter, Baldwin, Springside/Chestnut Hill, Episcopal Academy, Notre Dame, Agnes Irwin are in the PA InterAc league. Boys are the above co-ed and Malvern, The Haverford School, etc. They compete with other independent schools after league play for a PA Championship (PA Independent Schools - like Westtown, Mercersburg, Hill, etc.). Teams play out of league area PA public/catholic schools and NJ private schools like Lawrenceville, Pennington, Hun, Peddie, etc. Generally the Sidwell plays, etc. are scrimmages or are non-league during the season. It's actually pretty good soccer overall and very competitive. Would these be teams that would qualify for NSCAA?
1:27 & 1:30 - why don't you ask the administrator to create an NJ/NY board? Or just go back into the basement and play video games and eat cheetos.There are others on this board from PA, VA, MA and more; generally Region 1.
3:52 my daughter goes to one of the schools you listed. It's competitive soccer but please don't say it's good. At least not from my perspective.
No more high school talk yous guys
7:37 - chiming in as my kid goes to one of those schools, too. It's good for high school. It's not elite level club good.
@ 7:37- yes it is good and it's competitive as most of the teams in that league beat other non-league teams. So wouldn't that make it competitive as well? Agree with above posted, it's not club soccer, but is is very good high school soccer and isn't that what they are being judged against? Was just wondering if this league (boys and girls) could be under consideration and meet the NSCAA standards. Didn't know they even existed. Okay, no more hs soccer from me anyway.
Not sure how my daughters team is going to be competitive come NPL time, we have not had 1 practice with the 02 team. Most of the girls are playing HS soccer, so I guess they will all be in shape, but tactically we will be all over the place. Our season ends on 10/17, but we might have playoff games, NPL begins 10/23, should I be concerned?
8:28 which NPL begins 10/23 - is that official anywhere? ny npl shows TBS, and only the NYCSL Premiere has a start date on 10/22.
They need to get some games in, so I think the NYCSL NPL league will mirror their lowly cousin.
Figuring 2-3 games between Thanksgiving and Christmas for the older NYCSL NPL teams.Then 7-8 in the spring. Plus playoffs.
ECNL schedules set. And most rosters updated (see ECNL site)Some interesting player movement.
15 girls from NJ were listed for the ID2 camp! PDA/Match Fit/NJ Rush/STA get a lot of mentions + couple of other clubs.http://usclubsoccer.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/GIRLS-ROSTER-id2-Training-Camp-2016-09-29-Portland-CT.pdf
Looks like a lot of kids in the Region 1 area invited. Good to see. Thanks for the id post.
WAGS comes down to a Pipeline v PAC showdown. Both teams come out of the second bracket. Pipeline won the bracket without giving up a goal while netting ten. PAC took the wildcard with its only setback a 0-1 loss to Pipeline. Pipeline easily handled Perry Hall 3-0 in the semi, and PAC held off Cleveland 2-1 in the other semi. Yes, that’s right, Perry Hall in the semi. Despite a negative goal differential and a 0-3 loss to HMMS in Bracket 3 play, Perry Hall ended up on top after beating Dallas Sting and Top Hat 1-0 each. HMMS only managed 1-1 draws against both Dallas and Top Hat. Cleveland won Bracket 1 with Loudon finishing second ahead of Arsenal Maximus, which is somewhat of a surprise. Levittown had no business being in the top flight giving up 15 goals while scoring none. FC VA ECNL was beat by both Pipeline and PAC in bracket play. Continental FC ECNL finished third in its bracket in the second flight. Final Prediction: Pipeline over PAC, 2-1.
I take it you are either a Pipeline or PAC fan.
Thanks for the summation, 8:56Yes, a shout out to Arsenal Maximus for a nice showing vs top teams
Not sure what the shout is for, arsenal placed third in a average bracket. Keep in mind, when the the girls from high school come back in late fall and spring, then you will see some really tough teams playing.
Here is a composite look at WAGS bracket results:PTs (GD) Team9 (+10) PIPELINE SC BLACK (MD) 9 (+5) CLEVELAND FUTBOL CLEVELAND FC 02 (ON) 6 (+5) PA CLASSICS ACADEMY '02 (PAE) 6 (+2) LOUDOUN SOCCER LOUD 02G RED (VA) 6 (-1) PHWM SC 2002 RED (MD) 5 (+3) HMMS IMPACT EAGLE FC (PAE) 4 (+2) STING DALLAS 02G FLANAGAN (TXN) 3 (0) FC VIRGINIA ECNL 02 (VA) 3 (-2) ARSENAL PREMIER FC MAXIMUS RED 02 (NJ) 1 (-3) NTH TOPHAT SC NTH TOPHAT-02 GOLD (GA) 0 (-5) STING AUSTIN 02 (TXS) 0 (-15) LEVITTOWN WILDCATS (NYE)
Pipeline is always good.
Especially when the ref allows the game to go past regulation time....
WAGS Final:Pipeline over PAC, 2-1.
Refs allows the play to continue after regulation and calls a bogus foul/ pk on PAC around 27 seconds into added time which ties the gameNo such thing as added time in tournaments!!!And I have no skin in the game....So it went to PK shoot out
Big controversy with Cleveland FC at WAGS. Apparently some evidence that they over age players against Loudoun and FC Maximus on Saturday, but WAGS tourney didn't penalize them
Wonder if someone can help me out with issue with HS soccer play? My daughter is very good, but a Freshman. She is better than most of her team mates, to be honest she is in the top 8 to say the least on Varsity. However she finds herself playing JV and barely playing Varsity. With teachers kid on field, and others who are Juniors/Seniors, that will never see D3 college soccer, just believe me. My daughter and like 2 to 3 others are seeking college, hope D1 or D2 and will actually make it. But that is it, the others play MOSA or no soccer at all outside HS. Is it really that political. Do the coaches want to win? We are currently in about a .500 winning average, so not really doing that well anyway. I feel if he played the right players, that is 90% of any battle. My daughter is on a high level team ranked in top 10 in NJ, and always has been since U12. So no mistake there. Should I or she talk with Coach or AD? Ask what she can do to get more time? Thanks
stick playing with JV than be on the bench on varsity. kids that get playtime in our HS team are friends of coach or other teacher. nothing to do with winning or development. 80% chummytics.
2:55, thanks. I have been around the block. Not wanting or trying to win is horrendous. How do you learn to win at life in general. I was afraid of that and heard that already. And been warned. She is on Varsity, but they play her in JV. She will not be ready for November showcases. We are training with club, but very little. I would prefer Varsity so she can prepare. JV is rec, beyond rec. I am going to start pulling her for JV games in hope she can get some private training or something else, makes no sense to play JV 2:55, she is really digressing. We are D1 EDP for last 2 years. Hope to be top brackets in showcases. killing her, not me, her at this point of season.
2:37Colleges don't care if your daughter played varsity as a freshman.
Also, don't be so sure she can handle the physicality - and at times viciousness - of teh game at the HS level just yetAlso realize that playing "down" (as you see it) can promote her confidence level and help her exhibit, better her leadership skillsBy the way, my daughter's team has some freshmen that can "help" our varsity as well. Happens all over. And not just with the ELITE (top ten New Jersey) clubs.
It's high school ball. It doesn't matter except for the school and the league. She should just have fun and frankly use her time with jv to educate/teach others the wonderful game of soccer. It will not only make her a better player, but a better person. Learning to be a good teammate is essential in things other than soccer. Her classmates will respect her as will the coaches and the teachers (as the coaches will report her good behavior back to them as well). Season is almost over. She can showcase her skills next year if she wants on varsity. This is a school event. She should share in the memories of it. Good luck.
Parents should never talk to coaches about playing time at this age. Good points have been made here. I know several coaches of top HS teams who are very good coaches, A license big club, college exp, etc. They will keep a kid off Varsity who is good enough in every regard, technically, tactically, fast, etc who is undersized or who can't won't stand up to the physical play of HS soccer. Not a knock on the kid, they just aren't ready physically. Generally by soph year these kids have grown/matured and are playing all 80 minutes.
Admin can you please create a special category for highschool soccer so we can keep this one just for club soccer?Thanks
at 9:18. I am sure this helps everyone one here. I know I learned quite a few points in last few posts. The one thing is playing with JV, which at our school is basically all kids who do not play club ball. So you have Division 1 EDP players as Freshman, on field with some non-club players. That cannot help the edp player once club ball starts. I see that one point as having an effect. But thanks to all. Back to club ball.
So I guess you told her to quitAdvice: Let her decide. But tell her first she has a reputation to protect
Since when did we we start carrying around edp division one like a badge to be proud of? Its still third tier behind ecnl and npl. Lucky for you though next year you can wear your fourth tier badge with DA coming. Trust me I was the baddest yellow belt around.
Edp is an npl league.
4:33 - to clarify EDP has NPL division for selected clubs there is a bracket for those chosen by EDP to represent there NPL tier. You just can't have team play in a NPL league, events, showcases, and playoffs unless you are one of the clubs EDP invited to be in that NPL tier. Just like Northeast NPL, NYCSL NPL, they are all selected clubs to participate. Just because your in the EDP Division 1 doesn't mean you can participate in the NPL division. Like 4:06 said things will change once again when GDA is established - GDA > ECNL > NPL> EDP 1st Division > EDP 2nd Division > JAGS for NY/NJ area's.
4:06 aka BAYB*My Kung Fu is strong, but my daughters Kung Fu is off the charts, id2 was not a challenge, so she was not nominated by our dear and revered club. Why? That is a journey of discovery, where truth meets Mr. Liar, pants-on-fire...*BAD ASS YELLOW BELT
How do you know the 2002 at MFA is Horrible? They lose a lot, but also added some very good players. Looking forward to seeing them play.
So rumors about Match Fit dropping out of DA are confirmed!http://www.ussoccerda.com/girls-da-final-member-clubs-announcementNot there.Cedar Stars/PDA represent NJ
Hearing cedar stars a mess too. World class is a joke. Only real quality DA will be PDA sadly.
Hearing they may bail as well or just push responsibility on Sky Blue. DA mandates are going to be tough on clubs without very deep pockets. Also, demand is lukewarm at best.
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