TSF and Wildcats are much better than half your top 10. look at there record. JPS and Force are nowhere near a top 10 team
Have the ones posting their personal top 10 even see all these teams play? Last list is now saved on my phone for future laughs.
Well, who is your top 10 clowney?
Some great points. I have not seen IGFA play.Wildcats had a big win against Rage. One of the reasons I stated earlier that I probably over rate Rage from their U11 days. Otherwise, Wildcats finished 4th last season behind Ajax, NJX and NJ Force. They tied a bunch of teams that very good teams should beat. Its just my opinion and I tried to support it.
I dont think you overrate RageStill an excellent team. Recently had a clean sheet for an entire event, I believe.
Rage also lost a friendly 3-0 to WCUSC (PA), and WCUSC does not even play much 11v11.
I think they beat Crush the same weekend
Rage beat Crush? Or WCUSC beat Crush?
RAGE. Well actually both.Crush have never beat RAGE.
1:53 i'm a clown because i don't agree with you? if you were a part of a good team you would have played all the teams in the top 20. Rage is a top team and anybody who questions that has never played them. 1. PDA Storm2. Rage3. MF4. NJX5. Crush6. Wildcats7. PDA Ajax8. NJ Force9. TSF10. PDA Dragons
Clowned here-U posted results which may or may not indicate level of play for each game/team. Ajax beat njx so why aren't they higher on the list? Maybe because that's their only win against top talent?I try and watch the game and the play on the field not the score at the end of the game to tell me which team played the better soccer.NJ force would have trouble scoring an own goal and while I like the dragon team game they don't have the talent to be top 10 at this time.I would put the newly forming cedar stars girls team #1and if I had a vote. You don't even have to pay to play and you get free uniforms:)
Clown because you are going to take a picture and laugh at it in the future. What was so funny about the first top 10? Rage is not a top 5 team. Because you win with a dominant player, does not mean you have a good team and play good soccer. Why is PDA better than MF? MF just beat them.
PDA is better than Match fit because they play better soccer and their girls have more skill.Besides it is immaterial at this point because both teams will be different in the Spring.
1. PDA1. MF3. NJX4. AJAX5. TSF6. WILDCATS7. RAGE8. FC COPA9. IGFA10.FORCE11.DRAGONS12.STA13.JPS14.NJSA/CEDAR STARS ACADEMY15.TRFC
PDA has also won State Cup, You don't get to say you are better if you don't participate in State cup.At this age( maybe not older) the better teams give it a go in state cup.It's a nice proving ground to settle stupid discussions like this one about what teams are better at this point.
How will they both be different? PDA added 2 players to a solid team. What did MF do? NJX lost their best player to the Wildcats.
I have seen all of the following teams play. With that said and expanding it to 20, I will say there isn't a significant difference at this time between teams 1-5 then teams 6-14 and then teams 15-20. There is clearly 3 distinct levels of play and with the player movement noted on this board, the number of teams at each level may change slightly for U12 spring and could change significantly change for U13. 1 Storm2 MF Black3 NJX4 Rage5 Crush6 Wildcats7 Ajax8 NJ Force9 IGFA10 JPS Flash11 Dragons12 SDFC13 STA14 TSF15 SJEB16 Toms River17 Medford18 FC Copa 19 Manalapan20 E. Brunswick
Top Ten teams 1. Match Fit Black (Hands down)2. PDA Storm (has to prove they can beat ECNL teams)3. NJX (Have to learn how to play soccer)4. GFA5. Crush6. NJ Wildcats7. RAGE8. TSF9. Jersey Premier10. PDA AJAX
I watch PDA game vs Match Fit, I have to disagree. MF players were better skilled. PDA had trouble moving forward
To 4:13 pm today:Your top 15 list loses credibility by including FC Copa Lima at #8. I also don't think NJSA belongs in there.- EE
why is Matchfit hands down better than PDA, just curious.No Dog in this fight ,but "hands down" sounds like such a certainty.How may times have these two teams played?Was the game so one sided that it was apparent to everyone watching?This sounds like a Matchfit parent.In my book the State cup champs always gets the Nod, until they are dethroned.You have to start with PDA then NJX then Matchfit.It will be interesting to see the results of these 3 teams going head to head this Spring.I'm sure when Matchfit plays PDA & NJX they will have no trouble with this group since they are number 1 Hands down
PDA added 2 players to roster correct. Match Fit will be adding several key players to roster for next year especially if the better NJX players look to tryout. You combine NJX\Match Fit Black. Very very strong team!
Good list 4:22Parsippany might belong in there somewhereNJSA has potential
"I watch PDA game vs Match Fit, I have to disagree. MF players were better skilled. PDA had trouble moving forward"I think Matchfit will have a full plate with this team in the Spring.
4:39Lets stick to the springState Cup should be a great competition.
"Full plate" is an understatement.
Its still all about Crush and PDA Storm. Only teams to challenge the best of the best consistently (CRUSH #1 at doing this). I'll reluctantly add NJX.... since they did at least go to Delco.......
Match fit so good that "Dragon" players are playing for them this spring.
Which event is the winner with MSC out? Delco? Girls U12New JerseyAmericans RebelsHolmdel FC NJX CelticJersey Premier Soccer FlashMatch Fit Academy FC (Lady Falcons)Match Fit Academy FC (Lady Jaguars)Morris United /STA 01/02 G NPLMorris United /STA 01/02G NPL W NJ Crush FC TsunamiNJ Crush FC Tsunami WhiteNJ Wildcats AverbuchPlayers Development Academy AjaxToms River FC COPA '01 Pennsylvania EastContinental FC Arsenal '01FDeep Run United Black 01FFC Revolution ForceFC Revolution ThunderHFC Ready '01HMMS Eagle FC 01 SPIRIT Penn Legacy FC 01 BlackVincent United F.C. VengeanceWarrington Soccer Club FC BombersWest Chester United SC Predators'01GPennsylvania WestPA Crew Academy Academy Blue Pa Crew Soccer Academy U12G White New York EastAlbertson Soccer Club 01 Fury Blue Albertson Soccer Club 01 Fury RedAlleycat Premier U12Brentwood DynamiteEast Meadow HotShotzEast Meadow Sky BlueLevittown Soccer Club SupersonicsManhattan SC G01 PridePerfect Touch Soccer Academy Girls 01-02SABA Brooklyn CitySachem SpeedSmithtown StarsStaten Island United Hot ShotsWhite Plains United 02World Class FC World Class FC '01 CharltonWorld Class FC World Class FC '01HammNew York West Greater Binghamton FC 01 SelectOhio SouthCrew Juniors Crew Jr's Gold WestTFA Premier U12 Tri-State FA Elite 01 VirginiaArlington SA Samba Red Arlington SA Samba WhiteHYS HooligansVienna Youth Soccer Pride '01 RedMassachusettsBreakers GU12EliteSouth Shore Select u12 Elite ConnecticutConnecticut Football Club Arsenal Orange MarylandHarford FC United Thunder Maryland United FC 01 RedMaryland United FC North 01 Red Maryland United FC North 01 WhitePHWM SC Pumas Canada Oakville Soccer Club A 2001
Are WCUSC, Sachem and EM Hotshotz playing 11 v 11?
Sorry for leaving CRUSH out of the mix but with losing your stud this fall, I can not see your team being a top 5. 1. PDA1. MF3. NJX4. AJAX5. TSF6. CRUSH7. WILDCATS8. RAGE9. FC COPA10.IGFA11.FORCE12.DRAGONS13.STA14.JPS15.MF JAGS16.MEDFORD17.NJSA/CEDAR STARS ACADEMY18.TRFC19.MERCER FC20.JACKSON
How can NJX be ranked number #3 and not know how to play soccer? Sounds like someone is really jealous of this team. Why?
This list sucks, where is the daughters team?
I demand a recount!The fix is in, and the ref. is in on it, too...
TSF, COPA and Force, LOL. They have played about 2,987 games since summer and won nothing except a lot of reward points for gas purchases.I mostly agree with the original list. They at least tried to support their rankings.
NJ GS Top 15HOLMDEL FC NJX CELTICNJ CRUSH FC TSUNAMIRAGE FC PREMIER FREEDOMPLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY STORMNJ WILDCATS AVERBUCHSDFC SAMBAINTERNATIONAL GIRLS FUTBOL ACADEMY 01-02NJ FORCE ACADEMY IMPERIALSJERSEY PREMIER SOCCER FLASHMATCH FIT ACADEMY FC BLACKTSF ACADEMY 01/02PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY AJAXPARSIPPANY SC GENESISPDA DRAGONSNJSA 04 NPL-01 CEDAR
I would agree with 6:14 poster than follow GS Points.MF and PDA are top, either team can beat each other while both are better than rest of pack!
I'm assuming 6:14 or anyone else that has a top 10 has seen ALL the NJ teams in action since Aug 2013? If not how is your list made? Results? If your beef is with GS tell me what events are not captured for all the teams and I will project the values for those events for you so we can compare apples to apples, all the teams not just MF or PDA.#2
I find the problem with rankings are just because a team loses does not mean they are not the best. Nobody goes undefeated in any sport. So because NJX or PDA Or MF lose a game does not mean they are not the best. MF on got soccer has very few points because they don't play got soccer tournaments. Does this mean there are 10 teams with more points are better? No. Top teams now are PDA MF. The gap will widen over the next few years because best players parents will want the ECNL. Just my 2 cents. Enjoy the spring season.
Yes find a new wife!
How can anyone hate this board - Some really funny reads sometimes.I agree the best team isn't always the champion happens in every report - that's why the discussions are so great and heated sometimes.To your point - MF lost in semi-Finals @30th Annual Bethesda Thanksgiving Tournament-Girls - the reason they didn't get points is because the even only put 6 teams in the flight if they added 2 more teams then GS would have given points to the Semi-Finals as well.I know GS isn't perfect but it gives you a list to either move teams up or down if this is your cup of tea. Remember the best team doesn't always win - but isn't that makes sport and post season events so special an 8 seed can win a title and be number 1 even if they weren't during the regular season. But that's the playoff/event system.That's why I love ONE Table/Standing for the entire season the team on top at the end is the Champion. Not the "hot team"#2
i agree with list except for TSF.
So #2, you think league standings at the end of season are more accurate?I understand teams getting GS points for winning tournament games. Therefore, if you play more tournaments you have a better chance to get more points. Did EDP teams get GS points for regular season games, actually double points?I don't agree that teams that have the most GS points are the best teams. Some teams have more chances to get the points.
NJSA is a combination of East Brunswick and Manalapan.
TSF is a good team.
Have the kid talk to the wife. Have the coach talk to the wife. Respect for others' interests needs to be established. Your wife needs to understand your daughter is her own person.
DTS Winter Invitational Girls 2014The first two Spring 2014 Outdoor GamesSaturday, March 01, 2014YARDLEY MAKEFIELD SOCCER BANSHEES 1 LOWER MERION SC HERRICANES 0 NJSA 04 NPL-01 CEDAR 2 HULMEVILLE SC DYNAMO 1
I think it also depends alot on what the teams focus is too. Tournaments/cup games are a completely different beast than regular league games are treated on some teams. I mean what team would not have their best players in a cup game as say playing extra time for the 11-16 girls in a league game
Some more DTS scores.HULMEVILLE SC DYNAMO 4 YARDLEY MAKEFIELD SOCCER BANSHEES 1 NJSA 04 NPL-01 CEDAR 3 LOWER MERION SC HERRICANES 2 #2
Region 1 Colonial friendlies - no 12:00 Score Posted.PA CREW ACADEMY BLUE 0 BRYC 01 ELITE 212:00 PMRAGE FC PREMIER FREEDOMPA CREW ACADEMY BLUEBRYC 01 ELITE 0 RAGE FC PREMIER FREEDOM 0#2
Rage 3 PA Crew 1
http://maxsportscenter.ezleagues.ezfacility.com/leagues/202872/U12-Girls.aspxNice showing by STA yesterday
Nice wins. Was crush and crush orange, tsunami split up in two teams? Or was it crush a and b teams?
Arsenal got screwed yesterday by the refs.
It was 5aside STA. Stop bragging over indoor soccer STA. Let every team in NJ bring their top 7 kids only to these events and then see how you do.
Anyone else would have, especially Crush. Nice wins.
Crush lives on this board, except when asked a question or they lose.
Second tier academy beats up on Crush Copter. Does anyone really care?
Crush is second tier too, that is why all their best players always leave. I hope the beating was the second team?If we don't hear from them, then we know.
STA might be another option come tryout time this springYes I am with one of the so called top program 5 programs
Yes, option for a travel league player to move up to a second tier academy.
That's good, we need more of these type of clubs.There needs to be one more premiere club. Wcfc is still second tier in my book, they just aren't at the levels if PDA and then MF. I would like to see 4 total, all equal.
Are you saying that STA would be a better option than World?
I would suggest you get another book, because I Was a Middle-Age Moron is currently out of circulation...
NoI just think world has a ways to go and it would be nice to have some other clubs move up in status.The u14 are great, but that is it.Crush has one solid team, u15.
Crush is on board. I guess they are upset with staGood job sta
What do you think of their u12 team?
Jury still out. Same as u11 and u13. Older teams are all very average as well. I want them to be solid, just don't see it yet. Crush is similar, the u13 have dropped to average. u11, u14, u16 and 17 are all town level teams. U12 looks good, but jury still out. The u13 team was similar last year on blog, don't hear from them anymore.We need a really solid club from northern counties.
NJSA Cedar Stars are Looking Good for this Spring.
Tryouts to attend for players:CRUSHMFITNJX/MFPDA STORMPDA AJAXRAGESTAWC
Guys Indoor really. STA wins indoor so does GFA. This means absolutely nothing. STA is a very average team at best.
11:39 What No PDA Storm/Dragons? Why not?Ajax looks like it's going to be the R1 premier Team come u13 this FALL Which will put them on the National League track. Storm we all know will be the ECNL team leaving the Dragons as the NPL team. ALl 3 are good options.MF well see PDA - they will have the same set and so will World Class. That's just going to happen each one of these Clubs will have 3 options for it's players depending on level of play.Lot's of Crush hate - but I for one am jealous of all the tournaments they played in - you can say what you want about their level of play - but they do travel and that's all you can ask for as a travel parent, if the training is good of course it's a good option. STA/NJSA are also NPL teams just like Crush which gives them a pathway to NPL if they can get some depth they can also take the R1 road. All great Options. Rage is taking the R1 option and I don't know if a club league is in their cards. So I agree putting results aside all these clubs will have opportunities for their players AND we all know there are others not on your list - that will just depend on geography.PS. I am a huge fan of a league playing Fall/Spring (one season) with home and away games to determine a champion for that league. This is why I love the NPL model so much - you then take those League Champions and let them play each other to determine a champ for that season - not the best team - just an Event Champion.#2
#2 I know you do not provide any feedback on your club. Based on readings, I have to say you are from PDA.Made several comments that tend to lean this way.
Kick and run doesn't work indoor
I don't think #2 is from PDA but I do think he is leaning this way for his number #1.And then probably MF.Thats seems to be the best choices if his daughter is going to be a significant contributor.You then work your way from there.I believe most parents who have kids that are serious about their soccer will make the same choice.And no, I am not a PDA parent but my child is a significant player on one of these top 4 teams.(that do not include PDA or MatchFit)CrushRageNJXIGFASTA.
These so called avg teams at best are at least trying to make the jump into the big time by continuing to play and get better. These teams just need some more depth like the other poster said. Indoor/outdoor I wish my team was doing what the so called avg teams are doing
I agree, I have a daughter that plays for a very good team. I would lean towards MF personally. Main reason is that I believe she will get a fair shot at this club. I had an older daughter that played for PDA, too many politics involved in decisions on playing time and who makes A team
#2Current NPL model doesnt have home and aways, other than for 3 teams in your division.It would have to be 30 games for the 16 teams........and that is too many.
12:19RAGE - you are not from Rage to far southNJX- possibly, I do think NJX parents are pleased with future pathIGFA- two girls, one is coaches kid and other parent does not anything about blogsSTA- just have the new player, to new to scene to be postingCRUSH- this is where you child plays for!
Re: STA and indoorUsing the eye test, this club may be staying around longer than you thinkAs someone said expertly, depth is a key. Getting girls to tryouts going forward will tell the tale. But their 8 v 8 core is quite talented.....and I guess they just got a top player down from the upper division (not sure if that was one of the talented group that played yesterday)I am pulling for them because they play, coach and cheer with CLASS.
12:51.What difference does it make in which club my daughter plays for at this time?
If you list a bunch of teams, then people with dissect it.
STA does a great job with getting kids to their programs. Problem is not getting them there. Its keep them.You see at all the older age groups, kids leave. Wait and see, U13 team is already looking elsewhere. There is no path for older kids.
STA just average in NPL league right now. Put the talk to rest
To the poster who said he thinks his daughter will get a fair shot at MatchFit.You better do some more homeworkPDA politics are far better than the road that that MF will take you down
It looks like NJSA is a bunch of girls two timing on their home teams,... think this happened a few years ago with wildcats and freehold...could this be driven by the same person?
I lived through it when my older child was there, while PDA had no real competition. Basically always stated its a privileged to be here and I am not willing to pay for privates any longer to keep my kids spot safe. Many kids in PDA never got the chance due to the parents not having deep pockets. Worst case is the better players with money actually did not pay while parents who needed assistance did not get anything. Until you live through the PDA experience then come back and prove me wrong (I was there for 6 years). I will take my kid to Match Fit not saying she will make it, this is an option that I like and I like that fact that every kid is getting a fair shot. Kids on 2nd team are being looked at and not ignored.
I kinda like the STA talk It's better than the usual MF vs PDA talk I saw them play recently and they move the ball well Like the other poster said if they add to their core with a few more stronger players they could go from an avg. NPL team to one of the better teams and that is what you want. The team my daughter plays for has a similiar problem that is why I can relate
Key Word, KEEPING THEM together.
A prior post says NJX parents pleased about future path. If most of these NJX kids do not make the academy team, then how can those left without their NJX team, without their kids playing with their longtime friends and in search of a new team make them happy about the future path. Sounds like snake oil. The current NJX path is not making many happy but rather they are stuck and they both know it and have been talking of it among themselves and with others. When you spend too much time focused on an uncertain future you are weakening your certain present. Too much MF talk and future talk and the product is suffering.
MF not Political? LoL. Some of those players transferred in from the Jefferson team who has a father coaching. You think that team isn't political? Good Luck. I rather take my chances elsewhere. I am sure those parents feel like their kids spots are locked which makes me wonder about the future of that team. I rather have a coach who has no ties. Just my two cents.
2:25 and 2:36 both correct.MF affiliation is going to be the end of NJX team and most of their players as top level competitors if they stay thru U13 year.MatchFit black will remain political with parent coach and his ties to current players on matchfit Black Team. Few if any of the NJX Players will find spots on black and those who do may not be happy with their playing time and reduced roles. Players from 16-25 on ecnl teams at pda and matchfit at u14 are in for a rude awakening regarding the teams commitment to their individual development. Parents who are so focused on ecnl will find out that everyone doesn't get the same exposure on those teams.
If that is the case then there is nothing lost. Those talented kids will find another place to showcase their skills
I would hope MF & PDA would not have a father coaching or involved in any way with the ECNL teams.That would be a recipe for disaster.Top players coming to your team who are use to playing all the time and then losing play time because of past affiliations.Also, top players mean parents who are all in for their kids and when they start to see things they don't like oh boy look out this blog might explode. But in fantasy world everyone gets a fair shot.Yes I do have a daughter who plays at one of these top clubs currently
WC and MF have daddy coaches.Parents who have been through this before know what a disaster this can be.Not only will the child be favored but the child's close friends on the team will be favored. Most of the time these kids parents have an off the field relationship with coach, because the coach's kids have relationships with their daughters.Politics here can run even deeper, if the kids come from the same town team and have grown up together. These coaches will pretend that they have no favorites but their kids usually play right in the middle of the field as a Center Mid, Holding Mid or Middle Defender( positions sound familiar to any of these teams?)It does not mean that the kids and the team will not be a good team but it does mean that hidden preferential treatment will be given and your child May suffer for it.
One more score from DTSNJSA 04 NPL-01 CEDAR 3YARDLEY MAKEFIELD SOCCER BANSHEES 2
The NJX team is controlled and coached by a parent with a player on the team. If this is what is also going on at MF as says the prior post about the MF black team, then the MF-NJX deal is perfectly suited.
"It would have to be 30 games for the 16 teams........and that is too many." I agree for the NYCSL NPL maybe it would be better to split them into 2 Groups of 8 and have them play 14 (7/7) vs their division with and other 8 games vs every team in the other division - You would have a 22 Un-balanced Schedule.While The NE Girls NPL and EDL NPL both look to have around 12 teams - they would be able to play a 22 balanced schedule (11/11).I would also love to see a Regional NPL event taking the top 4 teams from the previous NYCSL, EDL & NE Girls leagues to play a pre-season event each rotating the Club to host the event.#2
#2 Based on readings, I have to say you are from PDA. Made several comments that tend to lean this way."Don't forget my AKA of ECNL idiot :)No lies my daughter wants to play for PDA, doesn't mean she will, they need to be match for that to work and only the coach can yes or no.I will never say what club/team she plays for, I never want what I write to be taken out of context and come out the wrong way. That wouldn't be fair that's why I try to keep things as general as possible. #2
NJSA Cedar Stars Wins DTS Championship
PDA not a daddy coach but talk about favorites. Lots of upset kids over obvious favoritism.
SO THAT MEANS - BETTER TO PLAY FOR DADDY COACHES?
6:57 Why is it obvious "favoritism"? and how would you know? Let me guess a friend of a friend? or is your kid the one not getting the playing time and you think she should but because she isn't, it must be "favoritism"? 7:07 it sounds like, that would be a problem, if that shoe fit.
3:18 Nothing Lost?How about confidence, the passion and love for the sport, not to mention development. Having a situation turn sour with a program for your child is not always easy for the player to rebound from. Especially if the reason it turns sour is politics and nepotism. A young player who experiences that will often end up turned off to the sport.
NJSA a team on the rise. Look out.
People should research MF black further. You will clearly see that there are many kids on this team that are not from Jefferson, I found out there are only 2 girls only. I did my own research, many Jefferson players play for Jaguars. For your statement on favoritism, well coach has shown differently by his actions based on conversations I had, this was a topic of I brought up many of times. I found out one player was moved down in the middle of season, this child left that was from Jefferson. Based on my conversations with parents on sidelines at the sessions I attended, coach plays best kids. I cannot speak about WC coach, never attended a session. Not in my plans. I would go a step further, I watched his daughter during my times while sitting at practice. There was a little Chinese girl and his daughter that I thought were technically solid that caught my eyes within the first 10 minutes there. I don't think it is fair for this blog to attack these coaches own kids especially if they deserve to be on field. I do not know if his child plays in the middle, based on what I saw I would put those 2 kids in the middle of any team.
PDA has many favorite's, speak to any STORM parent and you will hear them complain about this all the time. Now with new comers, these 2 new players are receiving the red carpet treatment
Sounds like every coach of every sport, you morons.If your kid was great, she would be playing and you would love them.
8:27 is probably a Crush parent that lost these players or some other parent whose kid was cut. Everyone can read thru this trolling.
PDA has a Dad coach, he is there more often than head coach.To me, I don't care about a coach being a DAD at any level. As long as my kid is learning and the team is doing well. I played with a Dad coach, even when I attended college. At this level, these coaches are professionals.Look even USA Mens team had a DADDY coach
Proper word is Asian. I can't believe in 2014 someone would make an assumption about ones ethnicity. Unless you have that much info from sitting on a sideline. That is a lot of information someone gave an outsider.
Most would prefer not to have a dad coach if given the choice.I was a dad coach at a lower level, and my kid played no matter what,
From what I have experienced, they are usually way more dedicated to the team. Can they be a little biased like the rest of us, yes, but only one player. Move on people, this has been going on for years and nobody
908U are a loser then. Almost every coach at rec level and travel in most sports are daddy coaches, and the ones that do that are the losers, like you. Congrats you idiot
So tell me . If the dads daughter plays CB and another talented player is obviously better, Do you think that player has a chance to take the CB position. or do you think the coach just finds another position for the new talented player and therefore does whats best for his daughter instead of whats best for the team.That is the problem with daddy coaches.They will find every reason to keep their daughter in the position she is playing. There is no place for that in the ECNL
If a child is better, then this child will play. As a professional, if you want to continue to coach you will do what is best for your team. PERIODYou will be surprised about what people would say when you ask a question.These are academy's, coaches at this level will ALWAYS do whats is best for team. Don't you think the DOC from these clubs would agree with what is being done? NO DOC would allow a coach to do improper coaching to benefit a kid.The young girl is Chinese, not making an assumption. This is what was told to me at the facility
She is there best technical player
9:08 this is the reason why you never played at a high level. Ones who do what you do, basically are living through their kids. I agree, you are an idiot!
I am a father doing what we all do.Dont kid yourself.
How many coaches daughters do you know that is coming off the bench?Right there in front of you. Don't kid yourselves.
I can say this.Dad coaches who played at a high level. They understand what it takes to get to the next level. Basically their kids typically are provided the extra training to get better. These Dad's kids are 99% percent of the time the better players.Now Dad's who coach recreation, these Dad's could not even get on a field at High School are the Dad's that do what you are stating. There is a huge difference between these 2 types of Dad's. The 9:08 poster I would say probably never played or basically sat the bench growing up. Probably wears Football jersey's on Sunday thinking he is part of the Football team he is rooting for. Speak to any Ex pro or even a ex college players. You will hear them say that they will never wear a jersey of a team unless they are playing for them. I can go on and on regarding this topic, my college buddies talk this all the time. We laugh at you guys, we pick out the parents on sidelines right away that brought us water or kept the score book.None of these coaches mentioned are in your shoes, they don't think like you. They want to WIN, in order to win; you need to coach these kids the correct way.I read this blog all the time, first time posting. I had to post as this is a topic to me that really pushes my buttons when you have parents on the sidelines that just cause problems instead of letting the coach COACH
love the topic and i think in the end if you allowed the children of coaches daughter to play for another high level team, they may be one of the starters on that team but chances are that their playing time and position may be a bit different then if they play for a parent,
My daughter recently left a team with a daddy coach... He works his butt off for the team. Almost everyone appreciated it, but the rest of the team couldn't get past the absolute fact that his kid was not a starter, but she always started and rarely came out... That showed the parents that this team was built for his kid, not for the development of the players on the team. There's only so much a 11 & 12 year old kids can take when they gets yelled at for not passing to the coach's kid, who generally can't score unless it's a loose ball on the goal line. The real goal scorers almost never passed her the ball, knowing it was more effective to make a move or shoot it. Never mind her passes in random directions, mostly to the opposition...And you can't blame the kid, she wants to play... She's been incorrectly convinced that she's very good/great. When in fact, the team was clearly better with her on the bench, at best playing as a sub. @9:47 I have never seen a coach's kid not start, not once, up to U12.
HehI haveSome of you know the guy..... he was the architect of a current U12 powerI thank him endlessly......for injecting the love of this sport into a great group of kids and being the embodiment of TEAM and fair playStop painting with such a broad brush, folks...
Long story short, you can't have a parent coaching the ECNL teams it will create a whole lot of problems and you can say how great the coach is and gives all the girls a fair shot blah blah blahEither the kid plays on another team and the coach stays or the coach needs to move and maybe coach a team to develop players at the same age to see if they can make the ECNL team each year
9:26 I can see your point. But my only problem with that is.Bradley Coached the USMNT and his son Michael was selected to play. I'm sure some people may have thought the same thing at some point around that time - But Michael has gone on to play in Seria A and is now back home in the MLS. This scenario Proves that a "Daddy" coach can coach at the highest level.So while I see your point and it's very possible that sometimes things may appear to be off a bit and actually be off - we are talking ECNL - I am almost certain the club would not allow for a negative promo. My bet is that a few people are looking at the players and saying who is ECNL and who is not.#2
You cannot compare the highest level of Mens soccer to the ECNL, where the kids are very young and development is the name of the game.Players at the highest level have been vetted through many coaches and teams to get to their level of play.No such vetting process goes on to that degree when a child is young and developing. I have no problem with men or women playing for daddy coach's at the National or Professional level. Even at the college level. But at the development level, it is a whole other animal.The vetting process is no one near as stringent.And yes there are DOC's watching but not nearly as closely as you may think. The above poster has a great point, When have you ever seen coaches kid not be starter and play major minutes on a team.I have not seen it yet.This is my second time around.
#2 I agree with you.There are too many people evaluating ECNL talents. There is no way ECNL directors, DOC's or owners of clubs will put a kid on a team just because this is the coaches kid unless this kid deserves it.
If the kid is good enough to be on team that is fine then kid deserves the spot. The problem will be when other top players come to this team and parents come to this team and then you have the coaches kid playing majority of game if not whole game those players /parents will start to grumble for sure. Not about if kid good enough, you can't have the father as coach with kid on team at this young age. Has nothing to do with how good a coach is or how good the kid is. It is just not a good mix if both together on same team at this age where it will cause more problems and it won't let a team that could be really good get to where it should get.The team will be constantly be bogged down with players or parents bringing this issue up over and over.
10:16 I think you have made many valid points and probably a bunch of truth to it.We can all agree that Youth Soccer is a money maker - no doubts. Currently, on the girls side and this is just my opinion. There is no league higher (Youth soccer). I don't think any ECNL club will mess around with their brand. This is what puts loot in their pockets.I can see the smaller clubs or at the lower levels this being more of an issue. I just don't believe this happens at the ECNL.Doesn't mean I'm right - I just think the ECNL Brand is to valuable today for a Club to mess around with some negative promo.#2
10:28 I can see your point about mixing. But if the coach is good, develops players and the kid can play at that level. I believe you will always have parents questioning why their kid isn't being played as much as the that kid, when their kid is clearly better in their opinion. That will never go away and if the coach didn't have a kid on the team they would find something else - it must be because they attend extra sessions or something else that they see, never maybe that kid is just better than mine or fits the role better than my kid#2
#2This is not opinion this is fact. US club does not allow parent coaches past the age of u12.The exact quote from the US club rules and regulations is the following:Section 14.2. "Any parent coaches involved in the youth program should be supervised and trained by a full- time, professional soccer coach. While coaches may often have children in the club, no coach should coach their own child above the age of U-12."This is the rules. And I'm sure these rules were put in place for the potential impropriety that might exist if their were Parent coaches.Some clubs break this rule because they think they can get away with it.This rule is not open for opinion. US club recognizes the conflict and they have deemed it inappropriate.You can rationalize all you want why you are breaking the rules but it is indeed against US club policy.
Another point that comes into the equation is $$ that will be a reason for problems Parents saying why am I paying so much for a father to coach, when they would say I don't mind paying but I would rather have a trainer who has no connection to any kids on the team. I know ppl will counter this point somehow, I 'm just bringing it up as just another issue that some would have problem with down the line.
Does anyone know about a tournament this weekend in denville nj ... Same weekend as maps tournament ... March 8 and 9 .
yup - know all about it.
ECNL clubs are not part of US Club, ECNL just using US Club for carding process. Own league with own rules
We were suppose to play a team in a higher bracket at maps tournament don't see them there was told they went to denville tournament instead ... What teams will be there ... Don't see tournament listed .
Looks US Men's team did not read that rule
Loves thisParent coach vs paid coach that has his parents pay for extra training to secure a spot on team. I would go with Parent coach if the product on field is top notch. In these cases for both MF & WC, no can argue these are top teams.For me I would not want to pay extra to have my kid to keep his\her playing time
10:50 If that is the rule then that is the rule - end of discussion.Just so I understand you are saying the rule is NO NPL or ECNL club can or should have a coach - Coach their own Child above u12 even though they are a full time professional soccer coach?You learn something new every day. Thank You#2
This from US CLUB websiteThe Elite Clubs National League is a US CLUB SOCCER-sanctioned league founded in 2009 to enhance the developmental experience of the female youth soccer players in the United StatesYou can make stuff up and rationale all you want about why its okay but the rules are in black and white.In the end, if parents have all the info and decide to play where ever they want then so be it.But most parents aren't aware and they go in blindly.Matchfit PDA, World.Just go in with as much info as you can and make the best decision for your child.
YES-that is the rule.But clubs do abuse it.Some are much worse than others.World is the biggest abuser of this rule.
Answer this question. What is worse, a daddy coach or a trainer that only plays girls who pay him for "extra" training on non training days?
One is fact and written in black and white the other sounds like whispers and innuendo.Parents will have to find that one for themselves, i have no opinion on whispers and innuendo as they are often fabricated by the disgruntled and or the competition.
So all the Clubs that are in the Below NPLs - Cannot have a Parent Coach their own Child?The New York Club Soccer League-NPL DivisionNJ Crush (NJ) NEFC (MA) Oakwood SC (CT)Parsippany SC (NJ)Seacoast United SC (NH)Mass Premier Soccer (MA)HBC (NY)STA (NJ)Massapequa SC (NY)ISA (NY)New York Rush (NY)Brentwood SC (NY)Aztec Soccer (MA)NJSA 04 (NJ)North Rockland Sting (NY)Yankee United (CT)The Northeast Girls NPLNorth Division:Albertson SC (N.Y.)Boston Breakers Academy (Mass.)Connecticut FC (Conn.)East Meadow SC (N.Y.)FC Stars of Mass (Mass.)SoccerPlus Elite (Conn.)South Division:FC Bucks (Pa.)Match Fit Academy FC (N.J.)PDA (N.J.)Penn Fusion (Pa.)World Class FC (N.Y.)The Eastern Development League (formerly the NPL Division of EDP)FC Copa Academy (NJ)Jersey United Spartans (NJ)Lehigh Valley United (PA)Manhattan SC (NY)Maryland Rush (MD)New Jersey Rush (NJ)New York SC (NY)NJ Stallions Academy (NJ)NJ Wildcats (NJ)Smithtown Kickers SC (NY)South Jersey Elite Barons (NJ)TSF Academy (NJ)
11:36 ..... What's teams will be in denville this weekend ... And not maps tournament . Thank you
denville tournament:MFWCSDFCIGFAPDACRUSHEAST MEADOWNJXEVERTONWEST CHESTER
Thank you ... I see why the one team we we're suppose to play pull out of the maps tournament ... Wishing my daughters team was there impressive group of teams .Thanks again .
Maps tournament is going to be snowed out anyway.lots of snow on the ground here in south jersey
lots of snow in north jersey as well - good chance this one doesn't take place either
1:16 talk to her coach and have them sign up for Delco - you see the line up for that event - almost all of those teams plus a lot more.#2
Hey PA guy, does Delco cap an age group or do they accept everybody with a check?#2
1:16, I say this as a friend, but if your daughter's team is among the 6 in the top bracket at MAPS, right now you don't belong among the teams listed for Denville. That's a heavy lineup, and the competition at MAPS looks to be fairly even with teams that aren't quite at that top level yet. Unless you've added some starters in the off season or you were planning on loading up with guest players, you should stay at MAPS and see what happens.
Here is an idea. Have a non-parent coach and then tell that coach that they are not allowed to train anyone from the team they coach for. If kids want extra training, they go to another coach within the club. That is how we do it. Reduces conflicts. Nothing eliminates them.As for a coaches kids playing in the center of the field, if the coach is doing this, it isn't because they think it is better for their kid. Playing in the center - especially center midfield at a young age is not a benefit. From a development perspective, it is easier for kids to take risks and work on skills if they are playing outside midfield or outside back. They have more room and time to experiment. Yes, the center of the field player may get more touches, but you have to understand that the quality of the touches is different.At younger ages - u-8 thru u-10 and even U-11 - who plays center midfield is a lot about attitude and personality. No coach worth their salt would concede the center midfield to play their kid there... unless their kid belonged there.
IGFA OUT WHAT HAPPENED?
12:55Which PDA team is playing. They have 3
Nope. No snow in the north.Looks good for Denville.
I did not see a Tourney listed for Denville this weekend. Does anyone have a link for it? Those are top teams.
the northern part of NJ has had 1+ foot of snow on the ground for weeks, which is now ice. good luck playing that tournament this weekend.
Thanks for the good wishes.Denville is not really a tournament. More like a series of games.Probably wouldnt be posted anywhereI think the PDA is AJAX
Anyone ever watch the little league World Series. Every coach's kid is on the team and usually one of the best. I would think the same at higher level youth soccer. Parents complaining on here about dads coaching is because they are jealous of the kid.
No, these people only watch their daughters in youth soccer. Never played a sport and know it all now.They talk gs points like the world revolves around it.They don't know what to do when two out of three tournaments get cancelled because of weather in winter.But Jeff cup is their world series.
Richmond getting all the snow now, almost a foot.
Oh god...don't tell me that. We have been training hard all winter and need to get out soon. Plus we could lose all these potential got soccer points.
On second thought, should have signed up for PDA local tourney in spring. Weather should be fine and great comp from in and out of state. Accepted list is up.
Should be a great tournament. Florida, Georgia and many more states coming. Looking forward to it and I don't think old man winter will mess with us. All the good teams will be there, solid showing.
Don't think any fields are ready in Northern NJ even turf.
I think this was about PDA spring kickoff - nice list of teams. Can't wait to see top bracket. U13 is really stacked.
Interesting - PDA is playing in a tournament and Crush isn't playing in a tournament.
PDA has had three fileds open for a while. Lots of scrimmages and practices happening day and night.
60 degrees end of the week in Richmond....
Why aren't you going to play at PDA? Is it to close to home? The list is better than delco, MSC and Jeff cup.
How many points will PDA have? This may be reason.Looking at website and Pda College showcase is a really impressive list from around the country. Scary to see what will happen when our girls get older.
@ 5:13 - Seriously?You must have a few screws loose...No one is jealous of a kid of a coach, especially one that looks over to their parents every time that they make a mistake. Or worse, every time another player scores?Once a daddy coach is in place for years either accept the fact that their kid (and the dad) will slow the team to a crawl (or puts it in reverse), or to find a team without a daddy coach.
Top flight picks for PDA? A lot of great teams.
1 Girls U12 ATLANTIC UNITED ACADEMY - AVALANCHE NJ2 Girls U12 B3CAA CREEK SOCCER FL3 Girls U12 BREAKERS GU12ELITE MA4 Girls U12 CAPITAL UNITED BLUE FORCE NYE5 Girls U12 CES CALVERT CREW WHITE MD6 Girls U12 CONNECTICUT FC WEST ORANGE CT7 Girls U12 CONNECTICUT FOOTBALL ARSENAL ORANGE CT8 Girls U12 DEEP RUN UNITED BLACK 01F PAE9 Girls U12 EAST MEADOW SKY BLUE NYE10 Girls U12 FC COPA ACADEMY LIMA NJ11 Girls U12 FC STARS OF MASS CENTRAL UNITED 01/02 MA12 Girls U12 FC STARS OF MASSACHUSETTS NORTH UNITED MA13 Girls U12 FC VIRGINIA UNITED 01 (FKA-SYA CARDINALS 01 RED) VA14 Girls U12 FOUNDATION SC CT15 Girls U12 FSA FC U12 GIRLS NAVY CT16 Girls U12 GREATER BINGHAMTON FC 01 SELECT NYW17 Girls U12 LEHIGH VALLEY UNITED LVU 01 GIRLS GOLD PAE18 Girls U12 MATCH FIT ACADEMY FC BLACK (LADY FALCONS) NJ19 Girls U12 MATCH FIT ACADEMY FC LADY JAGUARS (BLUE) NJ20 Girls U12 NEFC CENTRAL ELITE U12 GIRLS NPL MA21 Girls U12 NEFC CENTRAL UNITED U12 GIRLS NPL MA22 Girls U12 NEFC SC UNITED U12 GIRLS NPL MA23 Girls U12 NJ WILDCATS AVERBUCH NJ24 Girls U12 PDA DRAGONS NJ25 Girls U12 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY AJAX NJ26 Girls U12 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY STORM NJ27 Girls U12 SOUTH SHORE SELECT U12 ELITE MA28 Girls U12 SUNRISE STING 01/02 BLACK FL29 Girls U12 THISTLE COMETS NJ30 Girls U12 TOMS RIVER FC COPA 01/02 NJ31 Girls U12 TOPHAT 20 GOLD GA32 Girls U12 TSF ACADEMY 01/02NiCE! showing from around the US.No local teams in top flight except matchfit and PDA
Delco looks to have great teams. A lot of top tournaments this spring.
Top flight at PDA will be much stronger. And yes the college showcase is really strong, my u15 plays in it. Amazing to see the number of d1 coaches in NJ. You should take your younger girls to go see some games.
http://www.stasoccer.org/#!tryout-information/c1ghkSTA tryout dates posted5/7 4:30-65/9 6-7:30Being held at new facility where they will practice and play their gamesCentral Park91 Central Ave.Morris Plains,NJRegister online or contact coach
I am not from NJ, what does STA stand for???
This weekend's gamesMAPS 2014 SPRING CHALLENGE [GIRLS]U12 11v11 MAPSBracket 1 FC COPA ACADEMY LIMA (NJ) FC WESTCHESTER ELITE 02 (NYE) PITTSGROVE SC RUSH 01/02 (NJ) Bracket 2 MERCER FC SPURS (NJ) SOUTH JERSEY ELITE BARONS '01 (NJ) WASHINGTON UNITED FEVER (NJ) U12 11v11 MSSL DOUG MILLER SOCCER DMS GU12 SWERVE (NYW) MARLTON SC STORM (NJ) SDFC TIGRESS (NJ) THE FOOTBALL CLUB OF NJ 01/02 GIRLS (NJ) THISTLE COMETS (NJ) U12 8v8 Challenge HARLEYSVILLE FC HFC STORM (PAE) LOWER MERION SC HERRICANES (PAE) QUICKSTRIKE FC 02'S (NYE) TOMS RIVER FC COPA '01 (NJ) ==================================FC EUROPA TURF CUP - Girls WeekendU12 Championship (11 v 11)CES CALVERT CREW WHITE (MD) SOUTH CENTRAL PA SCPASA 01 LADY LIONS (PAE) SOUTH JERSEY ELITE BARONS '01 WEST (NJ) TBA (11V11) U12 Championship (8v8)Bracket AFC EUROPA LIBERTY (PAE) FC REVOLUTION THUNDER (PAE) UKRAINIAN NATIONALS BLASTERS RED (PAE) UNITED FC U12G ADIDAS (NYW) Bracket BFC REVOLUTION FORCE (PAE) HARFORD FC UNITED THUNDER (MD) LEHIGH VALLEY UNITED LVU 01 GIRLS GOLD (PAE) NETHER UNITED XTREMES (PAE) U12 Elite (8v8)Bracket AFC EUROPA FCE FORCE (PAE) HFC READY '01 (PAE) PENN MANOR SC COMETS (PAE) WEST CHESTER UNITED SC WCUSC PRIDE'01G (PAE) Bracket BCONTINENTAL FC ARSENAL '01F (PAE) HFC UNITED HFC LIBERTY (COSCIA) (MD) PA CLASSICS PREMIER (PAE) VINCENT UNITED F.C. VENGEANCE (PAE) ==================================Flights RemovedMorris United/ STA Spring Invitational 2014 Girls=======================================Region I Colonial League3/8/201411:00 AMDOUG MILLER SOCCER DMS GU12 STEALTHGREATER BINGHAMTON FC 01 SELECT2:00 PMPENN LEGACY FC 01 BLACKDOUG MILLER SOCCER DMS GU12 STEALTH5:00 PMGREATER BINGHAMTON FC 01 SELECT PENN LEGACY FC 01 BLACK ==================================
Missing a few good teams from NJ at PDA. Would have been difficult to pick top flight. Why do teams spend so much money to travel when they have these good events in NJ? Is it because they believe they are supporting PDA?
Yes. Would rather travel and spend more money for less.PDA takes our players who want to leave, that is not right.
Says the PDA parent
PDA or Not - that is an impressive lineup of teams for a NJ event. Nothing more to say. They attract teams from all over the USA. #2
Deadline for PA State Cups has passed. 22 teams have signed up for the single elimination tournament. Top four teams will be seeded. The rest of the brackets will be filled by blind draw on March 12. Below are the teams in the order they finished in their respective leagues (I hope the spacing came out ok). All of PAGS D1 is there, and most of PAGS D2. Should be a good tournament.Team Name Club League PlaceWCUSC Predators'01 West Chester United SC CJYSL 8v8 1 Blasters Black Ukrainian Nationals PAGS D1 1Penn Legacy 01 Black F Penn Legacy PAGS D1 2Nether United Xtreme Nether Providence AA PAGS D1 4Force FC Revolution PAGS D1 5YMS Banshees Yardley Makefield Soccer PAGS D1 6HMMS-EAGLE FC '01 SPIRIT Hampden-Middlesex-Monroe-SS PAGS D1 7LVU 01 Girls Lehigh Valley United FC PAGS D1 8TE FCE Liberty Tredyffrin-Easttown Youth SA PAGS D1 9WVSC '01Girls Wyoming Valley SC (Travel Club) PAGS D1 10United Black Deep Run Valley PAGS D1 11 '01 Athletica Berks Soccer Academy PAGS D2 1LDC Attack 01-02 LDC United PAGS D2 2BARCA '01F Continental FC PAGS D2 4FC Bombers Warrington SC PAGS D2 5LMSC Herricanes Lower Merion SC PAGS D2 7Ready '01 Harleysville Soccer Association PAGS D2 8FC Bucks ECNL 2001 Council Rock United PAGS D2 9 PA Classics Academy 01 PA Classics PAGS D3 1Lower Mac Grizzlies Lower Macungie Youth Association PAGS D3 3Penn United Force 01 Penn United Force FC PAGS D3 4 Vengeance Vincent United FC PAGS D4 11PA Guy
Thanks, PA guy. So instead of opting for a lesser state cup you have the 11th place D4 team going for the top prize. Talk about a team lucking out in the 1st round.#2
I can see the top Bracket at PDA looking something like this:Breakers -MassFYA VirginiaTophat - GeorgiaB3Ca creek Soccer -FloridaMatchfit -NJPDA- NJFSA- CTSouth Shore Select- MassWinner of this tournament will be best on east coast.
"No, these people only watch their daughters in youth soccer. Never played a sport and know it all now."How do you know? But you got one thing right My DAUGHTER is #1 and I will watch her doing anything. PS. I know I don't know it all - sounds like you do though."They talk gs points like the world revolves around it."To Funny, yes I go to sleep at night counting GS points :)"They don't know what to do when two out of three tournaments get cancelled because of weather in winter."Not true, I visit MLS boards to talk soccer."But Jeff cup is their world series."World Series?? How about World Cup? I guess you aren't a big soccer guy/girl either? I would have picked another event instead of Jefferson cup, but that's me.#2
Tophat & Breakers the best of the bunch
11:08 I think I would replace FSA and South Shore with FC Stars and CFC A teams. But that's just my opinion (remember I'm also the ECNL idiot)#2
FC Stars instead of Southshore-yesBut FSA has beat up on the CFC teams and they are ranked number #1 in CT.
South Shore is the only team to of beaten Breakers, they have a good record, they deserve to be there, and which FC Stars team are you referencing? They have many, some better than others.Tophat, really, how would you ever know that, have you been to all of their games?
FSA vs CFC both undefeated in Elite league - I think FSA won a 1-0 game - very close in my opinion - but I go with the brand - CFC is ECNL and WPSL.Same with South Shore and FC Stars (ECNL/USL). South Shore Brat breakers and lost to Breakers, but They also lost to NJ Crush.I'm sure they all play great soccer - but to me it was to close and I would rather go with the brand. But that's my opinion, I can see what 11:18 and 11:34 are saying and i would have an issue with it.PS. Didn't Tophat play a few friendlies against WC, MF and Westchester. I remember reading something like that on this board.#2
My bad - I said the FC Stars A team - i think it's - FC STARS OF MASS CENTRAL UNITED 01/02
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