1:04 they are waiting for the bribe checks to clear.
It's a bank holiday today. That's why we sent cash!
They must still be waiting for the money order
I heard they were redoing the Championship division.
It wouldnt surprise me if they do that.
Oh, where did you hear that, your wife?
Crush may get put way down like their older teams - not sure I would want to go being in 5th bracket.
and just like that ... brackets are gone
PDA crying and trying to pull strings to get one of their teams in top flight.
PDA crying to tournament committee to get one of their teams moved up.
If you don't put all of our teams in top flight we won't bring our teams to your tournament anymore.Integrity of tournament is on the line here.Can Jefferson Cup Tournament be bought???
No way is it PDAThey know Ajax is better off lower.....
4:19 - don't count your chickens.
Lower flights of U13 Girls never posted so why would it have anything to do with Crush? has to do with someone in U13G making power play for top flight who was left off friday when top flights announced.
Whee are lower flight listed?couldn't find it on richmond strikers site.
Heard something coming down with regards to Da on girls side.Will not be current league but will be USSF will sponsor Girls DA.This could be death knell for ecnl.Ground shifting under our feet as we speak.
Championship flight didn't change. Interesting placements for the other levels.
Yes, we did it - we made second bracket..see everyone at Jeff cup! And we did it by playing ten events a year and you can do this too... Just need a lot of time and money.
Feel like an idiot now, 4:19?heh
Second FlightMaryland UnitedCRUSHWorld ClassPenn LegacyPDA AjaxNew York SCCleveland RoyalBRYC
Legacy vs BYRC in finals
Nope. You will get crushed like every other event you play in. Careful what you wish for, I will bet you you go 0 and 3 like every other year and every other tournament you play in.
Other NY/NJ3rd flight - none4th flight - PDA Dragons, NJCSA5th flight - Atletico6th flight - HBC Spark7th flight - none8th flight - NJCSA B team, Manhattan SC9th flight - PDA Shore10th flight - Atlantic United, TSF
Sounds right, 9:05 (PA guy - heh)
CRUSH should be in first flight, they are much better than their record shows. They almost won every game they lost.
Elite OrangeGroup A I guess we see how good Penn legacy is and how bad World Class is as the number 9 Pre-ECNL team. We also see what NJ Crush can do in a nice spring warm up for them. WIDE OPENGroup B NYSC must have thanked the Jefferson Soccer gods for putting them in the same group as Ajax - I bet they have that game circled - a little revenge? I know nothing about Cleveland, so i will pick BRYC to win this Flight (I had them as a championship flight team) just my opnionMARYLAND UNITED FC 01 ECNL (MD)NJ CRUSH FC TSUNAMI (NJ)WORLD CLASS FC '01 CHARLTON (NYE)PENN LEGACY FC 01 BLACK (PAE)PDA AJAX (NJ)NEW YORK SC G01 (NYE)CLEVELAND FC '01-'02 ROYAL (ON)BRYC 01 ELITE (VA)
Every year we go through the same thing with FC CRUSH and Jeff Cup build up. I would have thought they would have been a little more on the low down this year, after past results.
You kidding? With such bland unexciting names like "Legacy" or "Maryland United". Who would want and the "CRUSH FC TSUNAMI' in one of their upper brackets. It lets the other teams know theres a big name team in there.
Have you been under a rock 9:59?
How strong is PDA AJAX? Have never seen them play but team did play against PDA at the Penn Bubble two weeks ago. Wasn't sure if that was their team or not and indoor is such a different game.
Apologies for the 9:07 postMissed STA in 3rd flightThey could win that.ACFC Arsenal SkyFC United (IL)FC CarolinaTFA EliteBSTAAtlanta FireCharlotte PredatorsPrince William (PWSI - VA)
New Jersey Cup Applied Girls U13Well it looks like only Storm, Dragons and MF Pre_ECNl are missing. We won't see Storm and MF Pre-ECNL because they have out grown state cups. Let me add I would also like to NJCSA Galaxy and TSF enter then you will have your top 10 non-ecnl teams battle it outThe TopMatch Fit Academy FC North East NPLNJ Crush FC TsunamiNJ Wildcats AverbuchPDA AjaxSTA Morris United 01Jersey Shore BOCA Jr FC FusionJersey Premier Soccer FlashMatch Fit Academy FC Black NorthSJEB 01G NPLPDA Shore Fusion Americans Rebels Holmdel FC Galaxy Hub Soccer of Denville Lightning Jackson SC Avalanche Match Fit Academy FC Blue North Medford SC Hurricanes Mercer FC Spurs New Jersey Rush 01 Girls Blue NJ Crush FC Tsunami White Ocean Township United SA Hurricanes Parsippany SC NPL Randolph SC Storm SJEB '01G West STA Morris United NPL 01 TBAA Premier Strykers The Football Club of NJ 01/02 Girls Torpedoes Soccer Club Red Wall SC Wave Warriors SC - Kocela
Thank you 10:25 Group B looks pretty tough not sure STA can win it, but I will go with last year's Championship finalist from OH S to win this Flight. hey Jefferson people, one quick question how do you relegate your 2014 Championship runner up TRI-STATE FA ELITE 01 (OS). If all the teams that have a beef they HAVE ONE.Elite BlackGroup A CFC ARSENAL SKY (CT)FC UNITED U13G ACADEMY (IL)FC CAROLINA ALLIANCE GREEN (NC)TRI-STATE FA ELITE 01 (OS) Group B ATLANTA FIRE UNITED G02 ELITE BLACK (GA)CHARLOTTE SA PREDATOR 01G (NC)STA MORRIS UNITED NPL 01 (NJ)PWSI COURAGE 01G RED (VA)
Cant disagree 10:36Flipping Ajax and TFA would make some sense
If Dragons enter you would have 3 of the four semi-finalists from last year.
Njx u12 is falling apart. Some kids moving up to u13 MF team. Most leaving going to wildcats. MF u14 team has 24 on roster and kids are leaving thereas well. They are doing as much shuffling as they can to make things look as normal as possible. Lots of kids looking to leave, damage control in full effect. Doesn't look good when there is mass exodus. It is also true several kids are training else where, even though according to MF you are not allowed
"...kids are leaving there as well"Seems to me that MF U14 is an up and comerThe NJX U12 and U14 has been strong.Players come and go. I wouldnt be so quick to kill an entire program
Too each their own, up and coming or money grab. Two ways to look at it. $2500 x 24 players. Only 11 can get play at a time. Or you look at as 13 think the training better at MF then to play somewhere else. Nobody is killing the program.The njx u12 and u13 teams were both state cup winners and now are shells of what they were
This from the NJX website:Like all high level programs, winning will certainly be a goal but will be kept in perspective. NJX roster sizes will be managed so as to increase available playing time for enhanced development opportunity for each player. Unlike many alternative programs, rosters will not be maximized to generate revenue. Per player costs will be relatively low and will be all inclusive of the entire year-round program, so absolutely no surprise fees.
10:03 that mission statement went out the window when they affiliated with MatchFit. Now it is all about maximizing dollars whether at MF or PDA. No playing time is promised.
Well no playing time is promised, but they sold that tournaments are not about winning, its about development. That went out the window as well when 8 kids play 50 of 60 minutes. Great development for those 8. Last time I checked it was still unlimited substitutions in the tournaments. So if its not about the development then it must be about the amazing training. Guess that's out the window as well when there is one trainer training u13 14 and 16 all together at the same time. Approximately 40-60 kids to one trainer. I guess that leaves the money grab issue. I assume if it wasn't very profitable, they wouldn't be doing it for the loveof the game. Or because they just want to help.
Then maybe it's time to update the NJX web site and remove the NJX program language and insert MF language. Most of the academy model clubs do indicate in writing that there are no guarantees or expectations to be had re playing time.
From NJX web site:March 2013 they announce deal with MF without details.March 2014 they announce the MF/NJX Academy as follows: With the introduction of Match Fit Academy NJX, these players will now experience the unique training curriculum of Match Fit Academy and provide a seamless pathway to the USSF Development Academy & Elite Clubs National League at U14 and beyond. MF is no longer in the DA on the boys side and from appearances, it is vague at best the migration path of girl players from NJX to ECNL save for MF will take the better NJX players and leave the other 90% left to the remains.Not very well thought out from Holmdel.
I'm sorry for stupid questions, but what does DA stand for?
Development Academy, as in USSF Academy on the boys side.
3 magic beans
Thus far the NJX teams are still at small numbers
Unique training curriculum????? That must be during the off season which costs another $250. Your sure as hell not getting during the year. You never know who your trainers is or what time training is. I guess you can call that unique, lol
The last comment obviously from a parent that is no longer with or never was with the programHow they could then have that knowledge? I have no idea.I think its time they just STFU
NJX and MF obviously would appreciate it if we all just STFU and continued to write checks like the lemmings parents have been the last few years at MF and PDA that allowed them to put these bloated over sized rosters scams over on us in the first place.Now that some of us parents are finally waking up and smelling the coffee(because their own kids are sitting out games or playing little), they don't like that we are finally speaking up.Too bad I say.Their attitude is if you don't like it F---Off.
The chickens have come home? NJX/MF parents who do you have to blame? No one said that making the right decision was going to be perfect, as clearly it was not. Do your homework, ask around, go to some games, and pick a team that your child truly wants to play for. ECNL is not the only course to success, NPL is just as important, and just as prestigious. Good luck!
No it's not. But nice try.
If your calling the Boston college coach and you want her to come watch you - would you want to say you play for Pda o Reilly or a team like crush charge npl. Keep in mind - Pda is actually less expensive to play for so keep money out.How many times to you think that coach and 100 others have watched the o Reilly's play?
Everybody writes checks, 1:26. Doesnt matter where you play - or what sport/activity
Depends on the player, 1:56
STFU????? Must've hit a nerve or some truth. Or maybe a little of both
Comparing PDA to MF crush or anyone else is not a comparison. Anyway you look at, business aspect, development wise. No comparison. Like a Mercedes to a beater car
Haha, bad analogy loser, because Mercedes have the most reported problems of any over-priced car, hahaha...
Has crush ever committed a single d1 player in history of club
Do you keep your Mercedes tucked away in your garage only going out under perfect conditions? Are you terified of getting a little scratch on it? Do you like to talk about how many races it could win if only you took it down to the track? But of course you don't. Do you like to taunt other drivers who don't have Mercedes not acknowledging you did nothing to acquire yours and it could stop running tomorrow? Do you make fun of the way other people drive when yours keeps crashing? Do you make excuses when it frequently breaks down by the side of the road? Do you realize the people driving past you in there beater cars are laughing at you?
Young club 2:50, but I believe so, yes.
Boy, it's clear they REALLy want us top keep buying in to these over sized rosters.Now they are saying you are better off not dressing for half the events/games than playing regularly and for major minutes on a top NPL Team?Come om now!You have to play to develop as a player, both physically and mentally.the college coaches went to the ecnl, npl and regular events at Disney last month.If you stood out and could play at the next level, you were seen, and the word got around as it always does.
And on a more interesting note, tonight is the live-draw for the quarter-finals of US Club New York Cup, its got the feel of a Champions League event.Teams that have qualified:EM HotshotzWC CharltonMassapequa RowdiesIntense Soccer AcademyManhattanNew York Soccer Club4 teams to play for final 2 spotsWC Hamm vs. AtleticoLaGrange vs. Yankee UnitedGood luck to all the ladies!
1:26 sounds like a bitter parent who is part of a group looking to get out of the NJX/MF mess. Curious to see how many girls from the original NJX team will be around at U14. Does the Wildcats and PDA dragons benefit from this?
They would be better off going to PDA Shore.
NJX is just the old club teams who now use the NJX name. The original NJX team in this age group is no longer a part of the NJX they helped form and they are being eaten alive from the inside by MF. Sadly, any dim bulb saw this coming.
MF and PDA cost less than many other clubs in NJ.2nd I am not familiar with MF Training down south. I am familiar with North program and North coaches. Our age group coach does all the same technical training offered outside to outsiders are provided during our regular sessions. No need to pay additional. they are at every practice and at times coaches assist with others during training sessions. It is great atmosphere
Yes, go to PDA Shore and play in the 9th flight at jeff cup.
If you bring the whole NJX team you will be a top 5 team in the state. And with PDA you will always have a good coach and training.
Can't njx team is no more
NJX players are training with other teams.
good for them, they should leave now why wait?
Where are they going to play?
You have to find your team a coach and your club a DOC that does not play to win and importantly communicates this philosophy aggressively. There are in fact parents looking for this type of environment. Our coach always briefly speaks to the team after a game win or lose. I would include the parents in this post game meeting so they all have the right script for how to use each game for development.
2015 NY Cup Quarter-finals: East Meadow SC Hotshotz World Class FC WCFC '01 Charlton Intense SA ISA 01 NPL Manhattan SC G'01 Pride Massapequa SC Lil' Rowdies TBA Yankee Blast NPL-01 vs LaGrange Rage (PO) New York SC New York SC G01 TBA WCFC '01 Hamm vs Atletico '01 (PO)
Some can say the Final will be played when EM/WC battle with the winner taking it all. Since I love youth soccer and I hate when teams play to win - I am going to make my predictions anyway because the kids do play to win and because that is how the game is played. Thin line. EMISAYankeeNYSCIf the above is the semi-final match up - I can EM playing NYSC in the final with EM as Champion. This is one yahoo's opinion the kids still need to play the games. Good luck to your kids.
8:30Interesting predictions, and I agree that players (and parents) at this age should not be obsessed with wins and losses. However, as you stated the games do count, and a winner is always revered, I will select WC and NYSC and WC as the finalist.The final is a toss-up, with an equal mix of skill, execution and good luck.Just another yahoo’s opinion...
InterestingAtletico will want some payback on NYSC. And if Atletico were to advance to play East Meadow... .same scenario, with EM looking for the revengeI will go with an ISA-Yankee final, mix it up a bit. Like both those teams flying under radar
What I lovE about this is we are having fun with this- and the girls probably couldn't care less about all the sub-plots. I think they just go out on the field or pitch and enjoy playing a game they work so hard to get good at with only one outcome needed, they seem to get over it very quickly if it doesn't go as planned.
9:29, that is a bold prediction, I like your audacity!But before Atletico can get shot at NYSC they need to get past WC Hamm, at home, with much to prove to their club. They are not a bad team, they just need some better coaching and strategy.ISA to upset either EM or WC is also a long-shot, but not impossible.
I like what the NYCSL & NEP did. I believe they used their Fall season to promote 3 teams from each league into spring flight. Is this correct? Was EDP invited to this party? They could have sent their North, Central & South Champions.1 Atletico FC Girls '012 FC Long Island Alliance 013 FC STARS OF MASS NORTH UNITED4 FC STARS OF MASS WEST UNITED5 Hauppauge SC Hot Shotz6 WESTERN UNITED PIONEERS FC RED
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Major changes at Jeff Cup!3 teams moved up to where they belong.
Praise the Soccer gods!Looks like the crazy Penne Legacy guy got his wish, and now he can troll the sideline when, or if his kids team play Penne Fusion. Happy Pasta day!
Penn Fusion would have to make finals. That won't happen. Cincinnati vs FCV
Actually looks like the "Crazy Penn Legacy guy" wasn't so crazy after all. Looks like Legacy along with BRYC did deserve to be in the top bracket like I said. Maybe Jeff cup committee should have taken a little more time with their selections instead of trying to rush the championship brackets out in time for the convention. All's well that ends well though.
"Crazy Penn Legacy guy" here again. Actually I do think penn fusion has a chance to make the finals. And nothing would be more enjoyable than an all PA championship game. Hope it happens, Best of luck to both teams
So it looks like I only missed on one team from what I guessed on January 15, 2015 at 3:31 PM.They went with BRYC instead of World Class, a judgment call you can't really argue with. Hats off to Jeff Cup for doing the right thing.And to the guy who questioned my selection of two PA teams in the top flight, suck it.
Agreed, 2:10. I'd have given the nod to Legacy over PF, but it's great to see both teams in the top bracket. Hopefully the scrimmage on 2/28 will be a preview of the finals on 3/15.
where is "Mr.Know it all" that questioned two PA teams in the top bracket? Must be cleaning that egg off his face (hope its egg). "Legacy Crazy Guy" and "Mr. Know it all" would be great to see nezt to each other at Jeff Cup.
Since I love giving my opinion and playing the prediction game.1st I am happy to see Tri-State and BRYC moved up that's the right call.I still can't believe that PDA Ajax got a higher flight than PDA Dragons since Dragons did beat them head 2 head and won the league they were both in. Dragons this should be your lesson, you can't play locally you need to travel to play your tournaments NE NPL isn't worth what you thought it was Jefferson Cup has spoken and others will follow.============Championship============Group A BRYC 01 ELITE (VA)CES CALVERT CREW WHITE (MD)CINCINNATI UNITED CUP GOLD (OS)PENN FUSION SA '01G ECNL (PAE)Group B FC VIRGINIA PRE-ECNL 01 (VA)NJ WILDCATS AVERBUCH (NJ)PENN LEGACY FC 01 BLACK (PAE)TRI-STATE FA ELITE 01 (OS)Cincinnati vs FC Virginia in the Final=============Elite Orange=============Group A MARYLAND UNITED FC 01 ECNL (MD)NJ CRUSH FC TSUNAMI (NJ)WORLD CLASS FC '01 CHARLTON (NYE)PWSI COURAGE 01G RED (VA)Group BPDA AJAX (NJ)NEW YORK SC G01 (NYE)CLEVELAND FC '01-'02 ROYAL (ON)RICHMOND UNITED U13 PRE ECNL (VA)World Class vs NYSC===========Elite Black===========Group A CFC ARSENAL SKY (CT)GRAND RAPIDS CREW JUNIORS 02 PREMIER GOLD (MI)PDA DRAGONS (NJ)Group B STA MORRIS UNITED NPL 01 (NJ)BETHESDA SC ACADEMY 01 BLUE (MD)YMS BANSHEES (PAE)Group C 1776 UNITED XTREMES (PAE)FC CAROLINA ALLIANCE GREEN (NC)NJSA 04 GALAXY (NJ)Group D CAROLINA RAPIDS 01 BURUGNDY (NC)FC UNITED U13G ACADEMY (IL)PA CLASSICS ACADEMY 01 (PAE)CFC Arsenal beats STA to play PA Classics who beats NJCSASTA vs PA Classic in Finalnot mr know it all just a regular yahoo guy.PS. What' the over under for the number of wins the PA teams get combined 1? PennFusion over Calvert?Just a little fun Congrats hope your kids enjoy the experience
Jeff Cup needs to rethink how and when they announce the brackets. This really makes Jeff Cup look bad.Our age group is not the only group that is having teams moving around. I heard the friendlie in PA maybe cancelled now. They dont want to show too much to each other if they do meet in the final.
Typo CFC vs PA Classics in the Final. I'm just a stupid yahoo guy.
2:41 I disagree I think Jefferson did a great job. It's impossible to get everything right. It show's how great a tournament it is always working to get it right. They said Flights are not final until schedules are released.Stupid Yahoo guy is fan -not sure that's a good thing for you guys. GOOD JOB!!
2 deserving teams upLegacy up because GA team dropped out
Well not really... Same could be said for Bryc or tri state. None the less a deserving top bracket! Games will be exciting and competitive all around!
Since I did well guessing the top bracket, I’ll push my luck and guess the finals too:Championship: Cincinnati over FCVElite Orange: PDA Ajax over World ClassElite Black: (assuming A vs B C vs D): FC Carolina (who beat PA Classics) over PDA Dragons (who beat STA) vs.Superior Orange: CASL over HMMS (CASL should be up a bracket)Superior Black: Empire over HarfordSuperior White: Athletica (but look to Michigan as the upset) over McLeanPlatinum Orange: Century over BlastersPlatinum Black: PDA Shore Fusion Platinum White: PA Crew (Crew should be up a bracket)
Legacy and Fusion cancel because they don't want to show to much? seriously? I think they know each other pretty well already. Of course it may give Legacy a chance to figure out Fusion's triangle passing game with an outside mid overlap.
Kind of silly to cancel the friendly. The players on PF are a known quantity to the other PA teams, and there's nothing PL would enjoy more than showing you all their cards and then beating you anyway.
3:32Don't worry, our 9-0-1 formation in setup to counter that exact style of play.
Thank you 2:40, its nice to see that at least one person thinks we have improved enough to make the flight final.
2:11went with Legacy over WC - Bryc was a no brainer
3:25 I think we are the only two that like to play this game. My FINALS CHAMPIONSHIPCINCINNATI UNITED CUP GOLD (OS)FC VIRGINIA PRE-ECNL 01 (VA) Elite OrangeWORLD CLASS FC '01 CHARLTON (NYE)NEW YORK SC G01 (NYE) Elite BlackCFC ARSENAL SKY (CT)PA CLASSICS ACADEMY 01 (PAE) Superior OrangeATLETICO FC GIRLS '01 (NYE)FC FREDERICK '01 (MD) Superior BlackSTORM SSA 01 GIRLS BLACK (SC)CONTINENTAL FC DELCO ECNL '01 (PAE)Superior WhiteOAKWOOD SC (CT)MCLEAN YS U13 PRE-ECNL (VA) Platinum OrangeNJCSA ELITE (NJ)VIRGINIA RUSH GU13 ELITE (VA) Platinum BlackPENN FUSION SA '01G NPL (PAE)PDA SHORE FUSION (NJ)Platinum WhiteATLANTIC UNITED ACADEMY - AVALANCHE (NJ)TSF ACADEMY 01/02G (NJ)
4:26, The other day I was looking something up in a dictionary, and I got to the word retard, and lo and behold your picture was next to the definition, strange?
you are not allowed to use the word retard anymore. Its viewed as hurtful and small minded. Using a phrase like "those retarded Wildcat parents", is now considered unacceptable.
4:26 was bored(yawnnn) because there was something other than juvenile personal insults and negativity on the blog and his attention span was wavering.
Jeff Cup Championship BracketRecords vs. each other this fallFC Virginia 3-0-2 GD+4 Penn Legacy 1-0-2 GD+4NJ Wildcats 1-1-5 GD 0BRYC 0-1-2 GD-1Calvert Crew 0-1-2 GD-1 Tri-State 0-0-2 GD 0Cinncinnati 0-0-1 GD 0Penn Fusion 0-2-2 GD -5Total 5 wins, 5 losses, 18 TIESNational GS Rankings#7 Calvert Crew#8 FC Virginia #12 NJ Wildcats #20 Penn Legacy#25 BRYC #40 Cinncinnati#45 Tri-State #64 Penn Fusion
Why is it when people bring up the dirty dealings and lies that so called academy's promise it is called juvenile personal attacks. Comments are obviously peoples experiences with that club. And in my experience of having 4 kids go through several different programs because you have to find the right fit. Most of everything that is stated is true to some extent. And it all goes on at every level and at every program. This blog is for informational purposes if you want, but everything should be taken with a grain of salt. Broken promises, politics and back door dealings are a common occurrence in every aspect of life, why should youth soccer be any different. But you should expect some sort of professionalism from the academies. Hopefully the DA comes to fruition and eliminates the top dogs from their perches looking down on everyone. Karma is a bitch and every dog has their day
Dear GS Guy,Can you please project GS points values for the Championship, Elite Orange, and Elite Black flights at the Jefferson Cup?Thanks!
@6:20 WELL SAID
Dear GS Guy,Can you please project GS points values...I'm not you regular GS poster but I think I've got this right.Championship: 10,000Elite Orange: 7,500Elite Black: 8,000So the 3rd flight looks to have a high GS point total than the 2nd.
They are both "Elite" flights.. You would think that the different color Elite, Platinum and Superior flights would all be similar level.. or is it 1-10.
All this talk about clubs relative to one another - Legacy vs WC for instanceReally should explain why you think so , beyond a couple of resultsLets hear about the teams. What makes their play effective?For instance it has been noted here that Wildcats adheres more to a system earlier on in age than other teams who still spend most of their time on skills
@7:35am, who do you have BRYC losing to? I assume FCV but that was actually 0-0 through overtime. BRYC lost in the shootout.
@10:02, if you look at the quality of the teams, it's clear that the flights are all tiered 1 through 9.
I'm not a huge TSF fan but I've seen them play and I don't think they belong in the bottom bracket. They were in second flight of FC Stars along with WC! Sure they lost every game, but still... They seem misplaced to me. What would have been the Jeff Cup logic in putting them there?
Because TSF is plain horrible. That is why.
72 good teams
TSF aren't whiney b's about their flighting....
"Why is it when people bring up the dirty dealings and lies that so called academy's promise it is called juvenile personal attacks. "Because of the bias. It comes across more as someone having something to gain by the academy's demise, as opposed to investigative journalism.
What are you referring to?
10:18 I just went by what got soccer had. I also know that penn legacy beat both Calvert and the New Jersey Wildcats in shootouts after their 2 ties as well and they could argue they are 3-0-0 but I was consistant with GS, no * beside the results. Besides I didn't post that as some kind of ranking but rather to show how evenly matched these teams are. 14 games this fall, 9 ties, 12 decided by 1 goal or less, only one blowout(which probably won't happen again). There are about 4600 u-13 teams out there that wish they could take FC Virginia to a shootout, or BRYC or any of the rest of this bracket as well. Ties and one goal losses at this level or nothing to be ashamed of, all 8 should be proud of the work they put in to be where they are. These teams are all very evenly matched. Anyone of them could win the bracket. It will just come down to who's playing their best soccer that weekend.
Wow 9 of the 14 games between teams within top flight were ties.Only FCV, Legacy and Wildcats had any wins among top flight head to head.Interesting that Penn Fusion 0 wins in 4 of those 14 games among those teams in top flight and -5 goal differential stuck out among the teams at that level.Of course 5-1 Fusion loss to Legacy skewed both teams Goal differential as none of the other games between teams in top flight were one sided.FVC clearly is the favorite although nothing for sure based on close games and their many ties vs these teams head to head.
TSF too inconsistent..they could win a few games in a higher bracket maybe, but they could also lose in the bottom bracket.
PDA able to get their B,C and D teams all accepted into Jefferson Cup. What other program can do that?You mock them for not playing in any tournaments, but yet they all get accepted. Look at the time and money that STA and Wildcats spend traveling and playing in all these tournaments to accumulate GS points.If Storm applies, they would be in top flight. The point that everybody overlooks is that PDA doesn't have to travel to tournaments to play great teams. They can scrimmage older/younger PDA girls teams any night at practices.
Regarding the rankings of the flights at Jeff Cup (or just about any other tournament), the names and colors can be misleading at times. I know the Orange and Black are both "Elite" flights. But the fact that they've listed Orange ahead of Black most definitely makes Orange their 2nd flight and Black their 3rd.Once could certainly argue about the quality of teams in the Black flight being collectively better than the Orange and the GS points would support this. But there's no doubt that the organizer's see Orange as the 2nd flight and Black as the 3rd.And with all that said, a quick glance at this makes me think STA is the "3rd" flight team with a legitimate beef...even if they can earn more GS points in the 3rd.
And regarding the Richmond team in the 2nd flight (now), I'm really hoping the organizers know something that the rest of us don't. Cause if this team isn''t competitive they'll have given themselves a real black eye from my view.
7:35 and 11:05- thanks for head to head records and GF and GA head to head among top flight teams.Great answer to those few haters who always try and knock wildcats for ties vs top flight comp.Clearly ties are the most common result among the very best teams when they match up as you show with better than 60% of those games among the best teams ending in ties.The attack on ties vs top comp was just another desperate attempt by haters(especially the one from the once top team now a sinking ship) to deflect from Wildcats rise.Better tend to your own ship as it is taking on water fast.Once again those whose opinions matter, those who make up these flights have told us the truth about where our teams stand.
Does anyone else think it's really odd that all the PDA teams EXCEPT their A team applied for Jefferson Cup. Why aren't they going???????
11:33 sounds like you are just regurgitation the party/club line.So your 12 year old daughter is just as excited about scrimmaging the same old PDA U12 and U14 Teams as mine is traveling on overnight road trips with her friends to Jeff Cup, WAGS and Bethesda to compete in the top flights vs some of the best teams in the country, go to restaurants, swim and hang out in the hotel with their friends/teammates.I wonder if your daughter has trouble getting to sleep the night before these scrimmages like my daughter does the night before leaving for these major tournaments because she is so excited?Let's remember they are still 12 and 13 and are supposed to be having a blast with their friends.Or are you raising a racehorse?What if college soccer or the USWNT doesn't pan out?What if she has a serious injury and is never the same player?What will she remember about her childhood? Do you worry she might rebel in another year or 2?
11:50- Thanks for the infomercial coach. Its not knocking a team when you mention the facts.9 U13 Tournament games:1 Win3-1 loss to Ajax.The BEST teams win games, good teams tie.
They don't need to - they have sping kickoff 4 weeks later. They do eclipse evry year too and their ecnl travel. Why do you care? Do you do pda tournamnent? Do you go to eclipse? Do you do stars?
11:59 My guess would be -they played a tournament in IL and have overnight games in MA & CT on their schedule in addition to a May tournament in South Carolina from the research I did on this team. Jefferson would have made their 5th overnight stay in one season a little much??? No??? 11:40 I agree.Next up is the Manhattan Tournament and their list. let's go boys, Jefferson is days after your tournament and they already have published their flights.
12:13 I guess you are right coach.That's why you are in lower flight and we are in top flight.Can't argue with your logic.
U13 "Major tournaments".... get a grip.
12:15 I'm a coach? That's a new one.
12:15 good answer but don't bother.They want their teams to be where yours is. The flighting speaks volumes.It kills them that you have passed them by.
12:19 are you talking about my post? or PDA? All I said is this team has stayed or will have overnight stays in IL, CT, MA & SC. How does that have anything to do with what you are claiming? Okay, I'm going back to result talk. I will break down these top flight teams for you.
12 12Get a life. Yours sounds horrible...
12:15 and 12:19 in answer to first of 12:13 posts, not your 12:13 post.
How could the PDA B teams be top teams in the country when the Storm takes their best players every year? They will never be in the top flights of these tournaments unless the Storm is far superior to the top teams in that tournament. If Sotrm is not, then by logic, the B teams will always be inferior. Having said that, it is amazing that they still compete at a top level losing their top players.
PDA Storm vs Jeff Cup Championship Flight1-2 GD -1If Storm had applied they would have either been second flight where they belong or go winless in top flight. Neither are good for recruiting .
Every time Storm stepped out of ecnl cocoon they were less than stellar.See last spring us club state cup loss to mf ne-npl and this falls losses to cinn gold at eclipse in Aug and tie vs STA and loss vs Calvert Crew at EDP tourney in November.Yet they claim they are best team, not buying based on results.
And Penn Fusion ECNL would be there instead?
At least Penn Fusion ECNL has the guts to step up and test themselves against all comers at the top tournaments.Can't say the same for Storm.
1:43Don't forget that loss(and tie) to the Sachem Speed(Nat #109) this summer with a regional championship on the line. They are a nice little team, but not quite top bracket material. 1:45Why not? They have played better competition, even tied the Wildcats who beat Storm 2-0 last time they played. I think when you play theses teams outside of your league you may get different results. Few teams play league games to win at all costs like Storm does. But most do so at tournaments. You'll see.
Funny - now the thinking is that none of thre strong players in the Richmond region are with the pre-ECNL 13s, where when it was MF and PDA being discussed this time a year ago, players were said to be "wanti ng to position themselves by making the move at U13"I think the Richmond team will do just fine, folks. Be careful reading too much into their light schedule. And pay attention to some of the results listed on GS, not just the state rank.
".....or are you raising a racehorse"I had to chuckle.But some are fortunate enough to have the opportunity to be raising a superior elite talent If I was in this situation, it'd be difficult for me not to make every effort to ensure he/she gets the most of his/her opportunity.There are limits. But I dont think going the other way - being hands off and aloof, allowing them to find their own way entirely is wise either.
Richmond beat the team that beat the team that beat Wildcats......oh boy....
@2:14,I'd already seen that there weren't a lot of results on GS for the Richmond team. But I can't say saw anything in the ones that are there that screamed "top flight squad" to me.If you throw out one 7-0 win, they show a win, a draw and 2 losses with a -2 GD. And none of this came against teams that scream "yop flight squads" to me.My guess is that, based on GS results, this team will get throttled at the Jeff Cup. But maybe the organizers know something the rest of us don't.Anyway, I think this will be one of the most interesting stories to follow there.
2:22 a parent thinking their progeny is "a superior talent" is often off base, as unrealistic expectations of parents for their own child is where most of the dysfunction comes from in youth soccer as well as in youth sports overall.
I agree, let’s move on!P.S. My daughter is a soccer prodigy ; /
Wildcats play in the same league as MF D team.
If you don't think that Storm would be in the top group at Jefferson you are delusional. Why they are not going to this tournament only they know, but if they were going, they would be in the top flight. You can knock them for not going, but you sound silly saying they wouldn't be top group.
Nobody cares. You're not in, stay out of the conversation.
Somebody cares 1:21, 1:42, 1:53, 2:06. Plenty care obviously.
Hadnt heard about Ajax losing players to StormI guess those players were with Ajax when they beat WildcatsPlay on multiple teams, like at Match Fit. But remember - results dont matterheh
Yea, they'd probably get in top flight. What's debatable is whether they deserve it or whether they would get in simply because they are PDA and/or ECNL. They have had plenty of chances over the last year to prove they can play with this caliber of teams at tournaments and have come up short. So Its not so much that we care, it's that we want to delusional storm parent to come back to reality or at least shut up already. Woulda shoulda coulda but didn't is getting old.
Flight Projections10000 Championship8150 Elite Orange9000 Elite Black3952 Superior Orange5034 Superior Black4798 Superior White4650 Platinum Orange2725 Platinum Black3740 Platinum White
Hey 3:39pm but the posts you cite were only posted after 11:33am came on with the PDA claim that we are so great look at our b and c teams got accepted and if storm would have entered then they coulda, woulda shoulda.don't tell us about where you would be flighted "if" you had the stones to enter and would you would have won "if" you had the stones to enter.Put your team on the line and sign up or don't talk inject your team into conversations about Jeff Cup or the other top tournaments as you are irrelevant to those conversations.
Nice to see PDA haters at every age group!Same goes on at u14 and u15 and u16.By u17 the parents stop caring because the realities of the parent's choices about their daughters chances playing at a D!1 college are now evidentThey didn't make it!
Agreed 11:33 was a silly post, but the follow ups were just as ridiculous. Storm has nothing to do with this tournament. PDA has 3 other teams representing them and that is where is should end. Let's move on.
4:40one of those haters
@4:23, thanks for putting those together. Interesting that the 4th flight ranks 7th in points
" Interesting that the 4th flight ranks 7th in points"Not all that uncommon in events that include lots of teams that aren't from the NE.GS points aren't as readily available outside of our region so good teams from the south (NC, SC, etc.) don't contribute much to the flight rankings. And with just 6 teams in the Superior Orange flight, this probably explains the lower GS value.
When you are really the best out there, you will take on all comers and then you won't have to proclaim yourself the best of the best, it will be self evident.right now just another of a number of quality teams in Region 1 in this age group.
When you are the best, the rest will come to your tournament in the spring.
Nobody skewed the GS points more than the EDP Central division. Double counting points to get more points to make your league seem better.
5;43They don't give you a second thought!
8:54 If you don't care what the rest of us think then why the need to come on the blog and proclaim you coulda, woulda shoulda, if only you had entered.And about your pda tournament.Oh yeah, that's the chance you will have to prove your self proclaimed status as the best team out there.Now how did that work out last year?Oh yeah, 0 wins in your 3 games at your own event.Well, at least you will be guaranteed the top flight there.
10;50that was not me- and as you know it could be anybody You're not original- the teams before you spew the same venom at every age group. And it always ends up the same.They don't give you a second thought.Good luck to you and your daughter- hope the choices you decided to make for her ends up well. you can keep track of the teams losses if you like, if that is whats important to you.enjoy the journey
So you "don't give us a second thought" yet you continue to respond.Do you not understand that by continuing to post you refute your own point?
4;43Go f*ck yourelf, you needtobeD1 clown
1043Let me guess , you are a liberal and work for a government union?
Shouldn't "work" be in quotes?
Sounds like the truth hurts. 2:11.
9:29 "Truth".All you know about this process is what your club tells you.What possible credentials or experience do you possess as a parent that you can tell others what is the "Only Way" to get your daughter to become a D1 College Player.
You get so defensive.... Nobody ever said it was the only way. The odds are just extremely in favor of the one way over the other.... That is just a fact. Again, many non academy kids will play D1, but even you have to admit the odds are stacked in favor of the academies.....
Wow looking at the Jeff Cup brackets..Congrats to Wildcats for landing in the top. Anyone else think some of the NJ teams are a flighted a little higher than they should be?Crush, STA, Dragons.. I think these 3 in particular will struggle.
NJSA Galaxy may also struggle in 3rd flight.
They ALL will struggle. This is where the NJ inflated GS points get exposed. Still fun to play solid competition but this is when we all say, yep, makes sense...... Yet another reason why NJ needs to stop chasing GS points.
12:50 Just Curious - Ajax not on your list - Is this because you missed them or you don't think they will struggle?
I missed Ajax, but I think they can hang with WC and NYSC on a good day. Don't know the other teams in their bracket. This is not meant as a knock to any of the teams because this tournament is packed with good competition. It's a catch 22, I wouldn't want to drive 6 hours to get spanked, and I wouldn't want to drive 6 hours to be in a bottom bracket either .. I agree about NJSA Galaxy too.
Did anyone notice what team is notat Jeff cup? One of the biggest GS point chasers, Grater Binghamton. They are #19 in the country but are not playing in Jeff Cup. They played at Jeff Cup last year and went 0-1-2. They no GS points so I guess they decided to not come this year.
Maybe GB was not accepted.
1:54 I respect your opinion - I ask this question you said Dragons were to high. They lost to WC 1-0 and beat Ajax 1-0 also finished higher than Ajax in the same league that included MF NPL aka NJX and CFC Arsenal. I though they should be in 2nd Flight instead of Ajax, but you disagree. We are a perfect example of this board we both look at the same teams and see different things. I'm not with any of the teams I mentioned - i don't think you are either.Also Richmond United Pre-ECNL finished 6th in CCL behind FC Frederick, BRYC, Maryland United, SOCA & Beach FC but were flighted behind only 2.I guess the same can be said about Penn Fusion, we have our favorites and then we have those that will never get any love on this board.
look at the quality of tournaments the teams played.. Parsippany Pride, STA kickoff for the Dragons.. FC Stars, Spirit and Delco for Ajax.. Anyone can have a good win here or there, Ajax is the better team though.
Our team has played both. Dragons pulled at least to even with Ajax during this NPL season. You have to admit that. Either could have been placed up or down here.
2:50 I am not seeing that - we are talking about 2 teams in the same league that played each other and the other teams in the same league - why does tournament play come in to play here? I agree Dragons made their own bed when they picked the tournaments they played in but we are talking about teams that played each other head 2 head and were in the same league or Maybe PDA just wants Ajax ahead of Dragons can't have your 1 and 2 teams up North bad for business could also be the reason why Ajax is doing state cup and Dragons are not.2:53 I agree with what you are saying - I just don't see the claim that Ajax is a better team than Dragons by bringing in tournaments when you don't need them for this comparison
3:16You are correct-Ajax will be the second team. This is extremely advantageous to the business model.Geographic locations are far enough that building the south club as an extremely desirable location for those quality players that do not want to travel up North is important to the business model The South club if Strong -can also act like a developmental catch basin for the girls in the South area and the club can then choose the players they want to from their developmental farm system to join their ECNL teams. This is not needed in the North.The South will always get preferential treatment in tournaments and state cup.As a parent , it makes this club a good solid choice compared to others in the area.
I love the PA guys who come on here and knock the NJ teams. STA and Wildcats are the only NJ teams focused on GS points. And it serves them well. However, none of the PDA or Match Fit teams have earned any GS points this fall for thier league (btw that is 5 teams). If MF Pre-ECNL and PDA Storm where at Jefferson, there would be no PA teams in the top bracket.
Easy there boy! What makes you think it's a PA guy? We also get no points for our league, would have been worth 9000 if we did BTW. And all your jersey teams including all PDA and match fit teams have a ton of points from EDP leagues last spring pushing them up way beyond where they belong to be in the got soccer rankings. Be thankful your teams chased those points last spring because right now it's about all you got!
The point was that PDA and Match Fit aren't chasing points. They really don't care about GS points. And if prior bloggers are correct and you read Jeff Cup website about picking the brackets, they could care less as well.
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