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Tuesday, May 16, 2017

U15 Girls Youth Soccer

U15 young women players are not playing for fun, they are playing to win.

Best to step aside, because they are about to barrel through...

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Anonymous said...

So I finally got the low-down about the CFC/PDA ECNL game. A PDA parent that I am friends with spilled the beans. Let’s just say that CFC has no honor, and are a bunch of cowards, and crybabies. When you agree on something, you must honor your agreement, even if you lose the game. Score was 3-2 PDA, but CFC protested, and won a forfeit 3-0. Sad day for soccer, sad day for America.

Anonymous said...

Muahaha!!! Best one ever!!

Anonymous said...

Forfeit on what grounds. You have to share that if you peddle the other info.

Anonymous said...

Peddling? Facts or facts.

If I must, then so be it, PDA had used all of their subs, but one of their players was injured, so Mike asked the CFC coach if he could put a player back in for a few minutes, just to finish the half, its was 0-2 CFC at that point. Well, PDA came back and won the game 3-2, and a few days later CFC protested to the national office, and they won the appeal.

CFC won the douche-bag of the year award!!!

Anonymous said...

Who won the EPA State Cup?

Anonymous said...

FC Bucks!!!

Anonymous said...

if those are the facts, thats disgusting sportsmanship by CFC by their coaching staff. these are kids, these are adult non-dad coaches who have maintain some level of honor. but to be frank, its not different than 95% of the rest of the world who will tell you one thing and do another, not keep their word, walk away from their teammates mid-season or accept an invite and then leave before the season starts because someone else offered them something. these are the gross trends in society, as well established by this cfc coach. it starts at the top.

Anonymous said...

Rules are rules... everyone knows PDA is extremely shady. Cannot wait to see them smashed this weekend! Sorry PDA only one coach will be watching your games this weekend. Too bad it's your own.

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Anonymous said...

Says the jealous parent whose little Susie's team couldn't make the cut! Guess we'll see Monday night who is on top! Haters gonna hate! Oh and little Susie probably didn't make PDA at tryouts so!

Anonymous said...

MANCHESTER STRONG, FOREVER!

Anonymous said...

Bravo CFC.

No Re-entry is the rule.

6:36 100% agree

Anonymous said...

7:25 here again.

How did CFC win the protest?
Doesn't the ref need to collect the pass before player can enter?
So the refs had to be on board and there had to be an agreement for the player to enter. The rule is no re-entry but it looks like an agreement was made or the refs wouldn't allow the player to enter. Protest should have been denied.

Anonymous said...

@7:30
correct
curious about more deets

Anonymous said...

When our player got shaken up in the 2nd half of state final our coach took her off and played with 10 while she got some treatment and tape and after 10 minutes when she ws ready to go back in the refs waved her back on. That is how you do it according to the rules with no re-entry.

Anonymous said...

Missing the point. Rules are rules. Every other coach manages his game and substitutions based on the rule. You run out of subs that's on you. Deal with the consequences of taking the risk. Don't try and get around the rules to benefit you whether someone agrees to it or not. Oh wait ....

Anonymous said...

Your missing the point. I would have played with ten myself. However, it appears the CFC coach and the referees made an exception because CFC was up 2-0. The re entered sub was in the first half according to the information we have here. That sub had zero to due with PDA coming back to score 3 unanswered goals in the second half. Correct me if I'm wrong on the details. So if the details are correct then the CFC coach is a dirt bag and will get his one day, coaches won't forget. Like you screw me have fun not being allowed into my tournament next year. Just saying be careful what you wish for!

Anonymous said...

9:23 I would think playing with 11 players vs 10 helped them come back. And your comment about pdas tournament is exactly the point 8:15 was making.

Anonymous said...

An actual THREAT from 9:23

Have to wonder if it is a person in a position of actual power at PDA

That would be sad.

Anonymous said...

Boy are you two stupid! A it would have been PDA with 10 players not CFC. B they were even sided 11v11 when PDA came back with 3 goals unless this information is incorrect. C can you read? I said be careful the DOC MAY not invite a team or club to the PDA tournament if you have zero integrity. No I am not affiliated with the club at all. Read the post better dope.

dixiethistle1 said...

Just joined this forum...I'm a Coach for the North Mississauga Black Panthers (U-15 Girls) in Ontario. We had one of these forums for many years but it was shut down last year:( Looking forward to reading all the comments and joining debates as we all work on supporting and coaching the athletes we love.

Anonymous said...

OP here, its this simple, when you make a agreement with another coach, you have to live with the result. Heard the CFC coach has differed to the CFC Mothership, and that bunch was not amused...

Anonymous said...

The referee made a colossal blunder by not following the rules of the game. The player subbed off should not have been allowed re-entry under ANY circumstances. This referee should be banned from ECNL for letting this travesty happen.

Anonymous said...

2:01, you're a dope. sorry, you are. you are whats wrong with soccer in this country. its fricking youth soccer, kids killing themselves on the field of play to compete and show their development. most true lovers of the game at this try to avoid that win at all costs. and if pda asked cfc to allow a player to regain entry, typically a ref has always wanted to make things more fair, not follow those absolutely stupid draconian, moronic rules that ECNl feels are important. I've seen teams agree to play 40 minute halves instead of 45 because light was getting dim. I've seen refs tweak substitution rules and allow players from any team enter on any stoppage, etc. It happens. ANd even if you don't agree with it, the two heads of the teams, the HEAD COACHES of two teams BOTH agreed, and the ref simply granted them their wish. You have no idea how hard refs work for so little money, and you call them a travesty. YOU ARE A DOPE!

Anonymous said...

^^^^^^^

Anonymous said...

I see both sides of this. But have to agree with 2:01. They are ref and need to follow the rules of the game. The Rules are law and they should have denied the request made by PDA. But since they honored it they created this mess. Rules are rules and not following the rules is what has messed up youth soccer and many other things in life.

Anonymous said...

And sometimes the "rules" are the problem. Common sense isn't all that common anymore.

Anonymous said...

I think if the game was tied, or CFC were losing, no way does the CFC coach agree to the request. Sounds like the CFC coach is in deep shit, M.O. is a powerful guy, this will linger for awhile...

Anonymous said...

Btw: the PDA player that was injured did not return, PDA wanted to use a player that was already taken out. ECNL rule is once you come off, no reentry in that half of the game...

Anonymous said...

ECNL website has U15 ECNL CFC losing to PDA on April 29th by a score of 3-0.

Anonymous said...

CFC Connecticut, not the girls from cracker-town USA.

Anonymous said...

Hahaha. I see some use CFC for Continental too. Maybe use C-FC.

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Anonymous said...

Anybody here participated in vogelsinger summer camp? Curious of any experiences or opinions.

Anonymous said...

How about giving the girls some time off from soccer, does that sound strange? Even the pros get vacations, maybe we should emulate the older players??

Anonymous said...

Went to Vogelsinger Camp 15 years ago was a great experience.

Anonymous said...

Was decent except waking early everyday with the vogels chirping away

Anonymous said...

ha ha ha, agreed on the chirping!!
But rather see that kind of high energy and involvement than those who are checked out all day.

Anonymous said...

Haha I get it!
Vogel is German for bird
How witty!!

Anonymous said...

Ha. True, but there is a vogelsinger camp.
http://www.vogelsingersoccer.com/

Anonymous said...


High energy chirping bird soccer camp in central nj. has awesome written all over it!!

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Anonymous said...

Are we talking about cows now?

Anonymous said...

What's up with PF not playing in the ECNL division at PDA?

Anonymous said...

I heard that PDA, MFA, and WCFC, conspired to keep them out, because they are all jealous.

#bodyslamPF

Anonymous said...


Tournament entries , acceptances and bracketing should, at top tournaments, be required to be outsourced, handled by a third party as this kind of crap happens all the time.

Anonymous said...

Again unknown people on the blog. PF is not in the ECNL division at PDA showcase because they have already attended ECNL events in Florida/AZ to complete ECNL obligations. The PDA ECNL division is a ECNL sanctioned event with pre-selected 14 teams, next year at U16 all ECNL teams are grouped together. Go look at those brackets.

Since PF already completed there ECNL obligations and still decided to attend the PDA showcase, they were accepted and placed in non-ECNL division.

Again before posting understand the rules and facts. Hope that explains it 8:06. Stop being a hater 9:57

dixiethistle1 said...

A question to all the parents and coaches out there. Our team is looking to showcase our players for U.S. Colleges this year and next...what five tournaments (in ranking, if possible) would you recommend attending for max exposure. I know that the Disney classic will be in November this year and we will be applying, but would like to know about more tourneys. Any and all input would be greatly appreciated.

Anonymous said...

10:52 Thx for the explainer. Just when you lose faith on these forums.

Anonymous said...

May 23, 2017 at 2:11 PM

My daughter is a referee and I would be embarrassed if she choose to ignore substitution rules just because someone didn't want to play down a player.

This is not just an ECNL rule, the US Youth Soccer National League also has the same rule. I believe most State Cups also use this rule.

Obviously ECNL found the referee made an inappropriate decision or they wouldn't have ruled the game a forfeit.

Let me guess, you think actually sending off a player receiving a red card is mean because a team will have to play short? Does the referee have the discretion to red card a player and still let them play?

Anonymous said...

1112 WAGS is a good one in October for regional coaches. NEWSS similar.

CASL, Disney, Jeff CUp, Must go to

National level tournaments for big budgets include
Las Vegas Players cup and San Diego Surf Cup

Anonymous said...

2:02 - agreed. it's nice to be hospitable, but you have to enforce the rules. And people are blaming the Ct team for complaining, could have been ECNL as you noted.

Anonymous said...

2:02, I don't take issue with your position that the rule is a good or not a good one. Its the rule. But the coaches agreed to the exception, and the ref agreed. once that happens, to forfeit is unfair. if he had said no good, PDA could have opted to play the balance of the first half down a man or till the injured kid could re-enter. if the cop tells you its ok , go ahead and drive down the left side of this road to avoid a pothole, and later a camera tickets for driving on the wrong side of the road, id imagine the judge tosses that out. you have to be able to rely on those in charge.
for the coach later to file a petition is beyond Fu cked up. foul. He's the worst kind of sportsperson that exists. object at the time, say not to the re-enter "rules are rules" but not play nice, allow it and then backdoor a grievance afterwards, what a dishonorable person.

Anonymous said...

Yes, an agreement is an agreement. Is that what happened? Or, did ECNL get wind of it maybe from the ref, not necessarily from the Ct coach, and get involved?

Did they take it out of the hands of those involved and act on it independently from the agreements?

Anonymous said...

My thoughts...as a ref, certain levels required that I had to have a match report
Perhaps ECNL overrode the decision??

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Anonymous said...

9:03 He knows the rules and is asking for them to not be enforced. He is no angel in this situation.

The ref is to blame because he/she allowed it.

The CFC coach got 3 points for his/her team. It was a no lose situation up by 2 at the time and a protest in hand - No blame here.

The rule is no re-entry

Anonymous said...

Ok enough about Mike and the CFC issue. Both are great teams. Let's look towards this weekend. Any predictions for ECNL/NPL/EDP locals?

Anonymous said...

Yes, in real soccer you play a man down until the injured played can return.
There are no negotiations or deals in that situation. It's part of the game and seen regularly at the higher levels where those rules are in place.

Anonymous said...

Are you asking for predictions at a showcase? The winners are the college coaches who get to abuse their expense accounts and drink and party all weekend. We are the losers who look toward these coaches as "gods" who hold our daughters futures in their hands!!!

Anonymous said...

In regard to the aforementioned match where the team mad an agreement with the other, player down, etc.

It is most probable that the referee match report indicated the incident and the agreement between the coaches. Once the referee sends in that match report, it is reviewed and then any required action is taken in regard to the information reported.

In this case, assuredly, the league was aware, investigated, then made a decision as is best for their league.

All of the parties involved, I am sure, were made aware that this situation is not to be repeated in the league.

Anonymous said...

Those college coaches are going to be impressed with how often you lose to real teams!

Anonymous said...

Wildcats don't care there is no GS points associated with the showcase

Anonymous said...

Wildcats are the most overrated team in the state... To bad they couldn't hide the beating they took from Rush!

Anonymous said...

Hide the beating? Rush played in two state cups. They won 1 and didn't make it to the finals in the other. Wildcats played in two state cups. They won one but played in the championship game in both. Wildcats don't hide from anyone. If you want to take a shot at them all you have to do is sign up in the top tourneys or any state cup. Good luck. Have to book our flights now

Anonymous said...

Ouch!

Anonymous said...

Go ahead and book your flights to lose your games! That's one expensive scrimmage!

Anonymous said...

It's all about the journey and the trips to Regionals and Nationals.
Make the memories that will last a lifetime for your daughter and your family.
The haters all wish they were going with their daughters, regardless of whether they win a National Championship.Everyone who reaches those events is a winner.
Great experiences for your player. Enjoy the ride

Anonymous said...

Went to Region One Tournament with my older daughter 3 years ago. Parade of states was very cool 20000 players marching into stadium each state with their states name on their shirt. Also had contests like crossbar challenge etc.We had a blast.

Anonymous said...

Never saw so many college coaches at a showcase as today. Went to two different sites and both had many big schools in attendence.

Anonymous said...

10:40 - where? PDA tourney?

Anonymous said...

Yes pda

Anonymous said...

Go away troll. US soccer was at our game.

Anonymous said...

Saw MatchFit NPL lost both games this weekend so far. Why isn't Matchfit 2002 ECNL in PDA Tournament?

Anonymous said...

Matchfit ECNL is playing. Check the ECNL website. The won yesterday and lost today.

Anonymous said...

Smaller clubs don't always have the quality depth the big clubs have which can be telling in tournament play if starters are playing the whole game in multiple games over a weekend as opposed to single games per week in state cup play.

Anonymous said...

2:26 not a mommy and far from jealous. My little Suzy is playing in the top bracket against ECNL teams and NOT getting their butts kicked! LOL!!! Have fun losing after spending 5-8 k and getting D-3 offers lol!

Anonymous said...

7 goals allowed and a whopping 1 scored your a top team Kitty Cats. Fly first class United needs the cash! LOL! I know, your resting your top girls for the big tournaments coming up!

Anonymous said...

On the flip side, gratz to Rush for winning BOTH of their games against top talent! Kitty Cats keep hoping for that win tomorrow! Lol!

Anonymous said...

If your daughter was playing in top flight with ecnl team why would you be spending your time every day obsessively sweating Wildcats results. Not buying it Mommy your Suzie didn't get into PDA event.

Anonymous said...

It's not about results anymore guys. It's all about being on a team that can get accepted into these events like PDA.

Anonymous said...

Yes its about getting your players and teams in into big showcase events. There are no semis or finals.

Anonymous said...

And the D1 coaches love watching the weak teams getting their butts handed to them. Lets see which crappy kid do I offer a scholarship to?
Your right, none of them! First class here we come!

Anonymous said...

LVU a powerful team? They got smoked in Jeff cup so again kittens are a thing of the past

Anonymous said...

Good job Wildcats, don’t let the bastards get you down!

Anonymous said...

News flash
You will see top power 5 coaches lining the sideline at the "showcase" level games in Chicago if a team on the field has a single stud player. They are there watching one kid. Sometimes however there is a splash over effect and a kid not on their radar impresses enough to generate some interest. Not all interest is the same there is "full ride" interest in the stud and 20-30% interest potentially in the splash over. Better to be the number 2 kid on a losing team with a stud than a. bottom half starter on a meh team. That said all the starters on a top 10 team can get substantial p5 offers.

Anonymous said...

Parental Confession #1:

That’s why, 9:11, we moved our daughter. We have been extremely fortunate so far, its all-good from our collective point of view. We wish everyone success, and happiness.

Anonymous said...

You are so wrong. FC Virginia ECNL and Penn Fusion ECNL both lost both games and as with Wildcats both had many D1 coaches watching individual players. MatchFit NPL had same two losses and same goal differential as Wildcats NPL after 2 games at PDA event and you never mentioned or attacked them. You are clearly sick with jealousy and bitter hatred and obsessed with Wildcats. Get off your computer you are spending your days sitting there waiting for their results to come in, ignoring big wins like in state cup run and coming on to attack them for any loss even in a showcase event. Get some help for yourself before its too late please.

Anonymous said...

I would say you are spot on with your diagnosis of her illness. These are the types of sicko parents who give youth sports a bad name.

Anonymous said...

Just ignore her she is probably on her laptop spewing hate in the break between games at the Manalapan Memorial Day Tournament with her team.

Anonymous said...

That's because MF NPL are awful, hence why no one has ever brought them up on the forum. If they had been on here like the Wildcats parents bragging about how good they are then that's a different story. Wildcats parents, just accept that you didn't play well this weekend got beaten handily by better teams. Then people would stop mocking you. Until then you can brag all you want about making Regionals/Nationals but if you're losing heavily in every game then i'm sorry to say that none of your players will stand out. It's tough to find positives when 4-5 goals go past you in every game.

Anonymous said...

Parents bickering about which team plays the "best" kickball. Wildcats play kickball. Rush plays kickball. Keep chasing those irrelevant trophies and gotsoccer points.

Anonymous said...

2:01 okay let's talk what's important what schools were at your kid's games? How many players on your kid's team have verbals and to which schools? Is that more relevant for this board?

Dude it's a board about youth soccer teams. Relax kids have plenty of time before they grow up and enter the real world. Enjoy a little fun - who's better than who while you still can.

PS. Fact is Gotsoccer points are used to get teams in tournaments and kickball is called direct. When the other team is better or has good matchups you chill and wait for an opportunity to play over the top it's that simple. The object is to score more than the other team.

Anonymous said...

True that there are no style points in soccer. State Cup titles and trips to nationals and regionals and invites to big showcases only come with results.

Anonymous said...

PDA Storm ECNL went 1-1-1- and MatchFit ECNL won 1 lost 2. Looks like Ohio Premier was the best team at PDA in 2002 group. Ohio Premier beat PDA Storm, Eclipse, and MatchFit ECNL by multiple goals. Impressive.

Anonymous said...

Matchfit is not the right club team to join if you want your kids to excel personally or in soccer. Condescending staff who steal your money And a few parents with records for stealing kids town money as well Choose wisely

Anonymous said...

Cincy cup gold also very impressive this weekend.

Anonymous said...

Nice work at columbia classics

Anonymous said...

a bit more detail would be appreciated on the "a few parents with records for stealing..." That sounds a bit juicy. Por favor.

"Matchfit is not the right club team to join if you want your kids to excel personally or in soccer. Condescending staff who steal your money And a few parents with records for stealing kids town money as well Choose wisely
May 29, 2017 at 9:06 PM"

Anonymous said...

According to 11:57 no players from fc Virginia ecnl or Penn fusoin ecnl will be recruited since they lost 5 of 6 between them. And guess Pda ecnl players also won't get looks since they let 5 goals get past them in one game. What a crock. Colleges are looking at individual player strengths not the overall teams strength and they could care less about results.the goal is to be on a team that can get into these events and get your player the exposure to the coaches.

Anonymous said...

12;53 I disagree they do care about the score as they want to see how the player reacts? Is the player complaining when they are down or is the player trying to pick up the team. Does the player that scores a goal run to the player that provided the ball or are they just about me? Does the goalie yell at the defenders after a goal, do the defenders make a face after the goalie gives up a goal, did the midfielder play it safe instead of checking and taking space? the score is important when it comes to this.

And yes the brand opens doors but the players get the deal done just playing for a brand isn't a guarantee. There is not a lot of difference between the 10% of the ~400k registered soccer players. We are not talking pros because that % is much smaller. They are looking for good kids.

Anonymous said...

12:51 - hahahaha...oh that's right because all the coaches looking at them went to cincy classics.
Btw - was at the games of those teams. Many many coaches in attendance.

Anonymous said...

Yes i agree but my point was you don't have to be on a team that won their games this weekend to get noticed and be attractive to one or more of these college programs.Most of the colleges can't compete for the top kids they are looking for a fit for their program.D1 D2 D3 they all need players and most of the girls playing at PDA showcase can play at some of the schools represented at PDA this weekend. What matters is to be seen and to get the exposure.The feedback from The college coaches has already started as of this morning.

Anonymous said...

1:26 - all of that is true. And, do kids ball hog; do they stop their runs; do they go after a ball if they lose it; all of this comes into play.

Anonymous said...

I have to say though some schools if they are not used to getting top kids will take them flaws and all.

Anonymous said...

Yes but if you are not on a team that gets into these events and gets you exposed no one sees what you can do on the pitch. Exposure is the key.

Anonymous said...

Very true. That is why you see so much movement in the older teams to the higher level leagues. It's all about getting seen.

Anonymous said...

Just make sure your player is a starter or at least first or second sub off the bench on a team playing in these events and the exposure will come.

Anonymous said...

1:42 agreed.

1:46 10% of 400k there is not a lot of difference between most of these kids.
I think the schools go to a game and watch the kids that want to come to their school since I am sure they have been contacted by many kids.SO they go and watch the kid at all times. So if Penn State was at your kid's game and your kid didn't reach out chances are they never noticed her unless she was top 3 out of the 36 players playing. If she was okay maybe she gets added to an email blast to attend an Id clinic. That's what I think happens.

Exposure means nothing - if your kid can ball. If she attended their ID clinic that is all the exposure she needs. If she did good they will come watch her play at Delco or PDA, my opinion.

I think that movement hurts more girls than it helps. The top kids don't need to move they were identified already via team or odp already if not ECNL.

Again just an outsiders opinions.

Anonymous said...

To 1:38 PM, from what I saw of an FCV 02 game, I bet the team wishes fewer coaches had shown up. This was not an impressive weekend for them. And Penn Fusion probably wishes that coaches only showed for the FCV game because they weren't much better. And it's not that their results influence who college coaches want to recruit, it's more that those results accurately reflect the poor quality of play that was on display by those teams.

Anonymous said...

Otherwise the results reflected that sjeb rush blue is in fact very good. Better than many of the ecnl teams.

Anonymous said...

2:41 - if can can ball, they will watch her against other top competition. No matter how well she showed at camp. I'm talking from experience. If the competition isn't there, they aren't attending. They will wait or watch someone else. Parents think coaches are looking at their kids only. They have a list. It's nice to think otherwise, but the reality is they aren't.

Your kid could be their top get or another and yours is the default. They do a good job in the sell. That said, it's nice to get good interest and any kid and their parents should be thankful for it.

Anonymous said...

2;41 - top players are identified, but that changes with age and maturation and competition. A top 15 yr old may not be at 16 or 17.
If you are team jumping, then no it doesn't work in your favor. But any college coach will appreciate a switch into a more competitive league or team. They get that. Some recommend it.

Anonymous said...

If Penn State was at your kid's game, they don't care who wrote to them. They will reach out to the coaches of the kids that interest THEM as they watch over time. They will come to a training session or two if they are really interested in a PA/MD/NJ/DE kid, no matter whether the kids have written a single email. Same with other top soccer programs.

435 all true. One of the best kids in R1 wasn't even a starter at 14. Its a big disadvantage to be a late bloomer in the current YNT and College (they are very linked at the top levels) systems.

Anonymous said...

9:13 let me see if I get this I'm a little slow.

Penn State would go anywhere in PA/MD/NJ/DE to watch a practice of a player they don't know even wants to come to their school or go to games of these players with no idea of their interest?

Isn't the player writing and email or club coach contacting school on player's behalf the same thing if they are really interested in a player?

How does PennState identify players? they need to go all over the country to tournaments to find players? or do the players come to them?

Anonymous said...

Foremost, remember that PSU will only take specific players. Don't get fooled into shooting for something she can't achieve. Be realistic

Anonymous said...

I like this last post. Be realistic. Here is how you can tell if your daughter is DI or lets say top 100 DI school. Ask her what she thinks. Tell her she has to work hard, train, sacrifice. Tell her she may be better off going low DI or DII. See what she says. if you hear back from her and she says "watch me go DI top level" Well their is your answer. Nothing can stop your daughter at that point at this age. Give her the chance at that point, see what happens. Remember someone has to fill in those well over 200 DI schools every year.

Anonymous said...

And if she trusts her coach, he/she should be telling her if she's D1,2 or 3 caliber.
Not 100% on coach though...

Anonymous said...

12:19 PM

I cannot tell if you are being sarcastic or not. Penn State at this point is a high level destination school and not just for soccer players, a good number of kids are diverted to the satellites to make room at main for the athletes and scholars. Look at the commitment sheets and you will see that a 15 yo who is not on the radar will not "Catch the eye" of a coach and be recruited. There are truly plenty of D1 programs that a player can get to, but if you think that a 15yo saying "I want to work real hard so I can play D1" is the motivator you need to have a serious talk with players who have made it to a D1 program and what it took. Right program, right parents, right coach, right skills check the outgoing class prior to your daughter going in to see how many true positions there are. Will the team be reloading or returning starters? Getting into a school is difficult, adding soccer to the criteria narrows the choices.

Anonymous said...

First off have your daughter review college rosters at schools they are seeking and review incoming freshman. As you can see many Top 50 D1 schools are picky, speaking from experience just because they like you at a showcase and are trolling to see you at clinics and other games it's will all be based on where your daughter stands against the others they are recruiting the same year. Let's take PSU for example since we are discussing this school today on this blog. There are 5 incoming freshman, all coming from ECNL Teams with very high level experience profiles on their resume.

Each are coming from different states and teams Sockers FC, PDA, Penn Fusion, Bethesda, Eclipse - Four of the five have Youth National Experience at u15 and above. If you do not have this on your player resume than you can pretty much can count out the school and tell your daughter the reality is a long shot so start thinking lower D1 or Strong D2/D3 School.

Sometimes giving your kid a reality check will also give yourself a sense of relaxation to not rush into things and just sit back and enjoy potentially the final years of their soccer careers. If she wants to play college she will, will it be in top 10 school that every girl in America is chasing maybe not but at least she won’t be pressured and get back to enjoying the game again.

Anonymous said...

1:03 - you are speaking from experience. Many at U15 are still pipe dreaming; and i'm speaking about parents.
And, unfortunately, many coaches will tell a kid or a parent they should be playing at PennState when really, they shouldn't. That's how the club money machine keeps churning.

Anonymous said...

1:03 PM

Excellent advice. There is definitely a type for the top schools and a mold that a player needs to fit. If you do not have NT experience or some other lofty accolade to your credit (Top ECNL team starter with consistent regional top 2 finish) you need to drop down a bit on expectations. As a parent it is sometimes hard to know when to have a talk with your player to set her expectations. If you have a good coach they may help with the conversation. With my older daughter we realized that her team rank and placement were not going to garner a lot of attention from the big name schools. There were some good local colleges consistently looking but girls who reached out to the East Coast power schools were never on the coaches rolodex.

Anonymous said...

1:03 here again. This is the time to have a talk with you daughter incoming freshman players or sophomore year will become critical. It they continue chasing top schools and get off any radar from any mediocre school then they will be chasing once again later down the line. Set expectations athletically and academically, I know many on this blog are probably not pushing there kid to apply to Columbia or Harvard but are pushing top 10 soccer school come one people think about that. Let your kid dream but help guide them on true expectations and goals.

Signed,
Mrs. Soccer Therapist

Anonymous said...

1109 are you really that clueless? Penn State already know in whom they are interested if they are attending a training session. They are watching one kid on he field that they identified usually through her national team invitation. No one said they are randomly showing up at a training session.

Anonymous said...

Probably not a full list but here is the commits for Penn State. Looks like they are going to start looking at 2021s. While this is just a sample from a specific college you can see where a non-committed player stands if they were hoping for a Penn State offer. High School Freshman may still have a chance, if they play for the caliber of teams below. It also does not look to be club specific however only 3 clubs have 2 players represented. .

2017 D Eclipse Select (IL)
2017 D Bethesda SC
2017 MF FC Revolution
2017 F PDA
2017 F Sockers FC
2018 GK Tophat SC
2018 D Eclipse Select (IL)
2018 MF Michigan Hawks
2018 F Real Colorado
2018 MF FC Stars of Massachusetts
2018 F Solar Chelsea SC
2019 GK World Class FC
2019 MF Colorado Rush
2019 F FC Stars of Massachusetts
2019 D PDA
2019 MF Slammers FC
2020 MF Richmond United
2020 MF FC Virginia

Anonymous said...

Again PSU recruits from ECNL clubs bottom line. If your not on a ECNL team 0% chance to play PSU. Facts are Facts.

Anonymous said...

I know for a fact that my daughter is better than the (2) 2020’s listed, she would smash them, and crash them, and mash them to dust, she would send them, and bend them, until they were mush.

Anonymous said...

Thank you Dr. Suess. Your daughter Miss Suess would certainly be a top prospect

Anonymous said...

Survival of the fittest (or fattest wallet)

Anonymous said...

I think its fattest, like 3:40, he is really fat, like a cat?

Anonymous said...

2:32 Isn't that what i'm saying? Not random - meaning player has showed interest already for them to know she is considering the school otherwise it would be random.

okay I guess i'm just clueless

2:49 2017 Roster 28 players
Current Freshman 5 to be replaced by 2021 players = 0
Current Sophomores 9 to be replaced by 2020 players = 2
Current Juniors 7 to be replaced by 2019 players = 5
Current Seniors 7 to be replaced by 2018 = 6

2020 players very much the target age group for Penn State, but what do I know i'm clueless.

3:18 I agree.





Anonymous said...

Best advise someone gave me. If your daughter is interested in a school look up the roster of that school and see if your daughter has the same accolades. This will give you a much better group of schools to focus on. Good luck

Anonymous said...

2:49
where did you find the list of commits? Appreciate it.

Anonymous said...

3:37 - hilarious. thank you for the chuckle. Fractured fairytales; love it.

Anonymous said...

Agree with 1:03 but I will add that not only are man toy parents pipe dreaming but unscrupulous coaches play into this by recognizing parents with unrealistic expectations and playing them by blowing smoke about the kid could play at Duke uva psu etc. These parents eat that up and actually resent the honorable coach who tells them those schools are unrealistic for their kid. Youth soccer parent madness. They then leave their team and honest coach to go play for bullshit artist.Happens often.

Anonymous said...

World Class also has another 2019 Commit there, she just doesn't use topdrawer so she is not listed.

Anonymous said...

Tell her save her pennies. TDS is a waste of money. One of our games had 5 US Nat'l team scouts and no one from that game (either side) listed as a Game Day Standout. That's BS.

Anonymous said...

ANy of you looking for information on rosters for 2017 fall at colleges, just look at school soccer page. Most schools have annoouncement of who the new recruits are.

Anonymous said...

Not close to true. About 15-20% of the 500+ Big conference scholarships will have YNT experience. There are another 2000 scholies out there as there are a ton of D1 women's soccer teams. Just look at the local teams. On average PDA and MFA send 30-50 kids every year to D1, a small % have YNT creds.

Anonymous said...

Many girls going D1 yes, and many from clubs other than PDA and MF in NJ, but most of these players are going to mid-majors, not penn state, Duke,etc.Only 2 or 3 per year from NJ really getting significant athletic money from top ten D1 programs, yet how many of those made the sacrifice to drive all the way up north and back multiple times per week all these years with pipe dreams of Duke, UVA, Notre Dame, Stanford,UNC, etc. in their pipe dreams. If truth be told it is most of them, dozens in each birth year.

Anonymous said...

Not true again. This year there are 20+ kids from NJ who got big 5 scholies, the great majority play at PDA or MFA, and they all got money. May be much more than 20, I don't have time to research it.

Anonymous said...

didn't say big 5 conferences meant top 10 nationally in academics and soccer.

Anonymous said...

9:19 pm

Top Drawer lists the commitments by school.

79 bucks for 2 years is a good investment - for the articles, etc - but you get the commit list for free.

Anonymous said...

10:54

The journey is its own reward.

Anonymous said...

That changes every year and most would put Penn State at the end of any such mix. Top 10 mix of soccer and academics right now:

Stanford, UCLA, Notre Dame, Georgetown, Duke, UNC, Virginia, Southern Cal, Florida all have a better mix. Penn State would be in the mix for the 10th spot IMO.

BTW, almost every one of these programs has kids from PDA and MFA, many with multiple players from those clubs.

Anonymous said...

Academy schedule is out. What a mess. 5 hours to boston 3,4 times in a year. Virginia and back. 4hrs Connecticut and back a few times.
this is about when you realize that 7 to 8,000$ was about right despite everyone saying it wasnt.
#wasteofmoneyforaveragesoccer#ooops

Anonymous said...

You sound like a coach who is scared of losing players or a parent sad that your daughter didn't make the cut. DA is the place to be! ECNL is second best and all the college coachs know it. Stop this fear campaign.

DA=Top D1
ECNL=Low D1 or D2
NPL=Low D2 or Top D3
Everyone else, good luck at ID camps

Don't be fooled. My son played DA and had his choice of 2 top D1 schools. He never sent an email, hired a recruiter, or went to an ID camp. Also, he was not tin the top 4 of his team. He started his sophomore year and would not change missing HS kick ball.

Anonymous said...

6:55 PM
You sound like a pompous A$$
Happy for your "son" Hopefully the college he went to was far enough away that he was able to enjoy his college experience. As long as you were able to buy your kids spots it all works out in the end. If you are speaking truth what were the D1 offers?

Anonymous said...

Where is the DA schedule posted?

Anonymous said...

6:55 stop kidding yourself . GDA is nothing more then the same players , same coaches, but on a different channel . What about that makes you think it's so superior ? Plenty of talented girls declined the GDA and some of the ones that accepted shouldn't even be there. So tell me what's so special about that?

Anonymous said...

10:05. "Plenty of talented girls declined the GDA and some of the ones that accepted shouldn't even be there". You couldn't have said it any better. Best blog sentence I've seen in months maybe years.

Anonymous said...

Hard to believe that anyone seriously went to try-outs, made the team, and then turned it down. I don't know a single player who has turned down an offer to the DA. Keep trying to justify why you think ECNL is better. College coaches have already decided and DA wins their time.

Anonymous said...

There were girls that tried out for multiple DA teams, and declined to play except for one. What's so hard to understand - there are kids that will decline DA offers.

For those who say they will 'travel to Virginia and boston' - that's not DA. They are split in 2 divisions - Atlantic and Northeast, so that you don't have to travel to both extremes. Although girls from Connecticut or Pennsylvania probably have the shortest trips.

Anonymous said...

I know of quite a few girls who received calls from a GDA DOC trying to get them over to play DA. Guess what ? Those very talented multi sport players declined to go DA . Not sure why you refuse to believe this . Maybe you need to keep feeding your ego .

Anonymous said...

I agree if you tried out for the team you accepted an offer or you declined an offer to another team within the club. Remember ECNL and ODP mean nothing when it comes to GDA for girls in these programs HS sports mean nothing if they want the Olympics.

In regards to travel it looks like 26 league games per season (1 per week), looks like a lot of travel pal.
Plus events:
1. SUMMER SHOWCASE & PLAYOFFS
2. CHAMPIONSHIPS
3. Futsal Showcases

Northeast
1. Boston Breakers Academy Watertown, Mass
2. FC Fury NY Bay Shore, N.Y.
3. FC Stars Acton, Mass.
4. Long Island SC Plainview, NY
5. Sky Blue - NYSC Chappaqua, N.Y
6. Oakwood Soccer Club Glastonbury, Conn.
7. New York City FC Orangeburg, N.Y.

Atlantic
1. Cedar Stars Academy - Monmouth Tinton Falls, N.J.
2. FC Virginia Chantilly, Va.
3. PA Classics Manheim, Penn.
4. Penn Fusion Soccer Academy West Chester, Penn.
5. Sky Blue - PDA Bernardsville, N.J
6. Virginia Development Academy Woodbridge, VA.
7. Washington Spirit Academy Maryland Boyds. MD.
8. Washington Spirit Academy Virginia Fairfax, Va.

Anonymous said...

You can try and hype the GDA all you want but it's still just the same players with the same coaches. What do you think is going to be so magical about that ? Either your daughter is a top 1% player or she's not . I'm willing to bet most are not . Your daughters are just being used as the practice players and teammates needed to help advance that one player who is in the 1%. Nothing too magical about that.

Anonymous said...

7:41 AM

Somewhat agree. If you look at the National Team rosters across the board there are not too many that include players from the same club team at the same age. U15 through U20 may contain a trending set of clubs but for the most part the selections are varied throughout the US hence "National Team". The second tier for DA players is that set of players that will be drawn into the umbrella of scouting and be able to catch the attention of a better school by having DA in their team name. The next issue is ECNL vs DA, If I were a college coach I now need to make a decision with my wallet on where to spend my time. Will coaches who have been successful recruiting from ECNL teams cast them aside? I don't think that will be the case initially, but I do believe that over time the ECNL may drop a level as the DA grows legs. I find it all fascinating because there is a lot that goes into scouting a player and having a smaller pool to fish in with bigger fish just makes it easier. I also believe that enterprising minds have found a way to make a good living being a professional coach/DOC/administrator in an amateur environment.

Anonymous said...

There are 150,000 registered female soccer players, and only 2 da clubs in NJ (~180 players). That 1% sure plays in other clubs as well.

Anonymous said...

The top 1% not playing at DA will have a hard time being seen. Top College coaches will only go to DA events, that is fact. Other schools will be at ECNL games but in fewer numbers. The soccer world is changing and you must too. Remember when scouts came to HS games? That was not too long ago. If you are not on DA now, you already missed the bus!

Anonymous said...

Really 10:06? Stop drinking the kool aid

Anonymous said...

Current top ECNL programs are moving to DA.

Their B team will become the ECNL team and quality of league will drop like a rock!

Anonymous said...

Girls Top power 25 power soccer schools will radar in GDA girls. There are over 300 more D1 schools knowing they will not win that race to get those girls so they will look at other leagues and avenues. Soon enough you'll see more girls skipping college for NWSL sorry once I showed my daughter the average salary of a NWSL player first thing she stated "Not Worth It"

Anonymous said...

College coaches know where to find talent, they will still go to big tourneys. Plenty of talent outside of the DA even if ECNL loses its luster.

Anonymous said...

6:44 - get the listing of the clubs right (yes, there is one more) and please contrast travel to other comparable opportunities:

- ecnl travel?
- regional + national league travel?
- multi-sport olympic meets?

Anonymous said...

Where can you find the DA schedule?

Anonymous said...

http://www.ussoccerda.com/sam/standings/regevent/index.php?containerId=MzgzNDM0MA%3D%3D&partialGames=0

Anonymous said...

11:04, its up your arse, get a flashlight.

Anonymous said...

What's wrong with you?

Anonymous said...

That link is for boys DA. Where is girls DA schedule?

Simple question no need to be rude...

Anonymous said...

probably a troll; but humorous, still. Real question is, what size flashlight or do we need a latern?? lol

Anonymous said...

I see the girls schedule when I open that link. It says 2017-2018 Girls Regular Season in the top left corner

Anonymous said...

girls schedule is on US soccer website.
so if i understand it right, its 4 days a week of training. hauling to the facility, 4 training sessions. then leave friday night to boston, va, ct, etc. drive friday, stay over, play sat, stay over sat drive again sunday, two trips to va, two to boston, to far away ct. doing homework in a hotel room or in the car while the girls run around the hallways.
say goodbye to grades
say goodbye to your wives or husbands
say goodbye to money, to sanity.
say goodbye to high school ball though there i understand the argument

US Soccer has this all wrong. this is not how you develop the best kids.

Im sure you'll respond saying your daughter didn't make it. Guess again. If you dont agree this is silly, then you must be the person who wants to be away at a tournament situation every single weekend. Respect to you for that, but you have to agree, 99.9% of the kids and families do NOT want that, and worse, many who have signed up don't want it , just feel the need to jump off the bridge with everyone else.

Anonymous said...

Yeah 4:08, that sounds about right. Its not for everyone, us included, but we wish the girls all the very best...

Anonymous said...

So lets look at the math. 75+% of girls leave soccer from age 13-15. Mostly due to burnout. Now we are going to double the load and think this will make better players.

How about injecting more fun into the game. Less pressure situation play.

I truly believe true freeplay is what will take us to the next level.

Anonymous said...

DA is the same amount of travel as the Region 1 league.
No more chasing GS points so less games per year.
Same amount of training days as HS but quality from professional not the art teacher.
You don't need a hotel for a field that is less than 3 hours away.
Mommy will burn out a kid who doesn't really want it.
You can't stop someone from pursuing their dreams.
If it is truly the kids dream to play at the highest level possible, DA is the best pathway to fulfilling that dream!

I agree that ECNL is the best now, but get ready for big changes. Your programs who don't offer DA will lie to you and tell you different but remember that this is a business and they need your money more than you need them. Just look at the boys DA and how successful it is.

Anonymous said...

Boys da successful for pro teams. There is a bonafide reason why the pro teams have an incentive to develop kids. Not so with girls. I dont buy it.

Fyi my kid did not try out but was offered to play da. No interest.

Anonymous said...

The question is with the weak pool of talent, mostly weak girls teams across the board with maybe 2 exceptions, and very shady coaching staff on the girls side how long will Cedar Stars keep the DA designation.
Now they did recently pick up a very very well traveled player this week, but I hear to get her they agreed to not only she plays free but Cedar Stars will pay all of her families travel, food and hotel bills.

Anonymous said...

540 is wildcat parent

Anonymous said...

408 is dead on. I'm doing it one year, getting into college and moving on. I can't believe so many girls who have great rides are still doing this. Sad and they will look back and regret. Parents fault for pushing them.

Anonymous said...

5:40 here. Def not a wildcat parent. Otherwise I would have talked about how my daughter can kick the ball from box to box. Very little good socc r played here. Just diluting talent and iq with DA.

Anonymous said...

8:21 Except for the fact that colleges will expect you to continue to play and train at the highest level until you head their way......

Anonymous said...

Good luck to my beautiful daughter today, and remember, your inheritance depends on how well you play.

Love you lots, toodles!

Anonymous said...

WC over PF today 4-1.

Anonymous said...

Wildcats 6 to 1 over tsf in npl edp flight one tuesday

Anonymous said...

02 PDA ECNL 3
02 PF ECNL 3

Anonymous said...

You only have to worry about the travel if you are carded. The worst will be the kids who travel and play 15 minutes. DA is designed for a tiny few kids and a lot of suckers who are along for the ride.

Anonymous said...

Not any different than the bloated ECNL rosters.

Anonymous said...

Because no other leagues have bloated rosters? Give me a break.

Anonymous said...

Bloat= $$$$$
nuff said

Anonymous said...

Of course. It's other leagues; clubs; teams are about $$$ too. It's not just ECNL. I am not defending ECNL at all, it's the nature of the sport anymore. Soccer is a business as well.

Anonymous said...

Most soccer clubs are not classified as a business, they are "Non-Profit." Which means absolutely nothing, since the head of these non-profits take huge salaries for running the program. Even more amusing is that the the head guys don't do much. They pay trainers to teach the kids and pay them an obscenely low amount of money. Steal from the rich (parents) and give to the poor (trainers) but only give enough to survive, not enough to grow!

Anonymous said...

Congrats to our local ECNL teams for making the National Playoffs, Rockford, Ill, 6/22-6/27.

Champions League:
PDA
CFC
PF
WC

North American Cup:
FSA
ALBERTSON
EAST MEADOW

Showcase:
MFA

Great job by all the players, and good luck wherever you play!

Anonymous said...

No Continental or FC Bucks going to ECNL playoffs. That will be a good showcase, tough one to miss.

Anonymous said...

PDA makes it across all age brackets for ECNL - Impressive. Saw they knocked PF out at u14 yesterday too, that was not nice..

Anonymous said...

FC Bucks 2002 ECNL Team is a joke. Non competitive.

Anonymous said...

BUCKS in general are a joke and should get removed from ECNL

Anonymous said...

Bucks might do better now that the ECNL is the new NPL.

FC Bucks ECNL

FC Bucks Pre-ECNL -13th of 13 teams, last place
FC Bucks 03 ECNL- 14th of 14 teams, last place (no playoffs)
FC Bucks 02 ECNL- 14th of 14 teams, last place (no playoffs)
FC Bucks 01 ECNL- 6th of 14 teams, 6th place (made playoffs)
FC Bucks 00 ECNL- 11th of 14 teams, 11 place (no playoffs)
FC Bucks 99 ECNL- - 8th of 14 teams, 8th place (no playoffs)
FC Bucks U18/19 Composite – 12th of 12 teams, last place


FC Bucks NPL

FC Buck 04 NPL- Finished 12th of 13 teams
FC Bucks 03 NPL- 10th of 13 teams
FC Bucks 02 NPL- 13th of 13 teams, last place
FC Bucks 01 NPL- 12th of 13 teams
FC Bucks 00 NPL- 13th of 13 team, last place
FC Bucks 99/88 NPL- 8th of 8 team, last place

Anonymous said...


RE: FC Bucks

They are selling putting players into college not winning national championships. Would winning (attracting better players) help populate the list below with more high profile universities sure it would. But you would have to ask the players if FC Bucks was worth it and if staying at their local would have ended up with the same result.

From what I am told FC Bucks has good coaches but the parent organization is not managed well. The best thing for the kids and ECNL would be for FC Bucks to somehow split away from the CRUSA organization and become their own entity. I'd go as far to say the Ukrainian Nationals would be a better home for the FC Bucks program.

I also think the really talented players who would play FC Bucks end up at PDA or Penn Fusion by the time they are U15 or U16. From Bucks County PA, Eastrrn Montgomery County and NE Philly you can get to both PDA and Penn Fusion (driving right past Continental) in about an hour. With PF no longer in the ECNL I suspect you will see FC Bucks start to get better results.


2017 and 2018 players will be playing at the following colleges:

Allegheny College
Arcadia
Barton College
Bloomsburg
Brown University
Bucknell
Charleston Southern
Colgate
Columbia University
Connecticut College
Drexel
George Washington
Hampton University
Kutztown
LaSalle
McDaniel College
Millersville
Monmouth
Moorehead State University
Moravian
Mount St. Mary's
NJIT
Notre Dame
Philadelphia University
Point Loma
Pomona
Rochester Institute
St. Joseph's University
UMBC
UNC Charlotte
University
Villanova
Wagner
West Chester

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