Tuesday, January 27, 2015

U13G / U13 Girls Youth Soccer

U13G  / U13 Girls youth soccer seems to offer the most teams and the widest diversity of talent.

Where these players will end up is anyone guess.

Welcome to the ride.

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Anonymous said...

I think you mean PDA then MF. MF gets pda's cuts, which are coming soon

Anonymous said...

your funny PDA always claims they're the best yet they have tied and loss to match fit the last two games. Never hear any argument out of match fit. As far as dynamo they have proven the last three years they are the best at futsal in our state, and can play with any of the teams in the region. They don't even write anything on this blog until their children are attacked,probably by the same person who attacks the Wildcats and njx.they would love to see your team blow up so maybe their kids would have a chance to win. We always say on this blog give credit where credit is due, just sayin

Anonymous said...

9:43- you mom's always have to talk up your kids. There are many that are better. Size will not carry them as it did in the younger years. have to play soccer now

Anonymous said...

10:18

simply not true

There are players happy with their situation, players that could try out at ECNL clubs but choose not to.

Careful with your assumptions

Anonymous said...

10:24 if this is the case, PDA would need to reevaluate their process. I guess the BIG Ten coach can not properly evaluate talent. I would take 7-9 girls from MF Pre ECNL over many PDA players.

Anonymous said...

11;11

of course there are a few kids scattered here and there that could play with an ECNL team but they are few and far between.

Point is that the kids on the Dynamo team are tops in their age group. not only do they play for these top teams, They are core members.

That was the original point

Anonymous said...

I don't think MF could touch PDA's top 4 players.


Just my opinion.


Anonymous said...

In my opinion, PDA can touch MF top 8

Anonymous said...

If you have that kind of 8 then your team should be dominating the pre-ecnl and tournaments...

i just don't see that from the record.

Anonymous said...

"....are tops in their age group"

Top 100

A couple might be top ten, but who are you asking? You'd get different lists from different sources - and that is IF the sources had time to evaluate the players

Anonymous said...

There is only 3-4 top teams in this age group in NJ.

Anonymous said...

1 more comment for me before I'm gone for good. For right now DV is the top futsal team ,they deserve that recognition. A few weeks ago DC FC won that game, likewise dynamo won against DC FC team.point being these are the four top teams in our region and they could beat each other on any given day......I watched half of this game against Dynamo and DC before my kids game, definitely saw the push someone refer to, what he didn't mention was the two or three blatant fouls from DC player that resulted in her getting pushed. Now I don't condone rough play from either team but let's face it soccer is a contact sport and occasionally your kids going to get pushed, grow up people. As far the end of the game that's a blatant lie the teams absolutely shook hands. The 300 comments the last two days caused by this blatant lie is way more offensive to me than a girl being pushed. The person should be banned from this blog forever. Cheers.

Anonymous said...

11:53 Actually not from MF.

This is my opinion. Both teams play at a high level. Both are doing very well

PDA has not performed well in any tournament.

MF made U13 NPL finals.
PDA made Region 1 and lost. I am still shocked by that

I like the MF player personally

Anonymous said...

The incident can be used as a learning experience for all

Anonymous said...

Sorry Futsal talk is boring - I have no clue who these teams are and it is also one of the reasons I hate futsal tournaments just like I hate Playoffs.

MSC KOC not a really tough top flight in my opinion (Mr Yahoo).
PDA Deadline passed but no Applied or Accepted list posted
So I'll talk about FC DELCO PLAYERS CUP

Where would you slide these teams?
JEFF Cup will decide which teams fall down and which move up from their list

4 D1 Level Teams
Boston breakers Academy GU13 ECNL
CFC West Orange
Crew Juniors Elite
NEFC Elite U13 Girls

4 D2/D3 Level Teams
Albertson Soccer Club Fury '01 Pre-ECNL
Greater Binghamton United FC 01 Select
Seacoast United Elite - DR- 01/02
Waza FC East 02 Juniors

JEFF CUP Teams also playing DELCO

JEFF CUP F1 BRYC 01 ELITE (VA)
JEFF CUP F1 PENN FUSION SA '01G ECNL (PAE)
JEFF CUP F1 FC VIRGINIA PRE-ECNL 01 (VA)
JEFF CUP F1 PENN LEGACY FC 01 BLACK (PAE)
JEFF CUP F1 TRI-STATE FA ELITE 01 (OS)

JEFF CUP F2 MARYLAND UNITED FC 01 ECNL (MD)
JEFF CUP F2 WORLD CLASS FC '01 CHARLTON (NYE)
JEFF CUP F2 NJ CRUSH FC TSUNAMI
JEFF CUP F2 PDA AJAX (NJ)
JEFF CUP F2 NEW YORK SC G01 (NYE)

JEFF CUP F3 CFC ARSENAL SKY (CT)
JEFF CUP F3 BETHESDA SC ACADEMY 01 BLUE (MD)
JEFF CUP F3 NJSA 04 GALAXY (NJ)

JEFF CUP F4 BEACH FC 01G RED (VA)

JEFF CUP F5 HARFORD FC UNITED THUNDER (MD)
JEFF CUP F5 PIPELINE SC BLACK (MD)

JEFF CUP F8 PENN FUSION SA '01G NPL (PAE)

JEFF CUP F9 X-TREME SELECT SC 01/02 SELECT - BLACK (ON)
JEFF CUP F9 PA CREW ACADEMY BLUE (PAW)

Anonymous said...

keep fishin

Anonymous said...

Any advice on how my daughter can improve her score on the Yo-Yo test?

Should she just increase on the amount of running she does, distance wise?

or

Should she be doing interval running, slow/fast, slow/fast

or both?

Thanks!

Anonymous said...

Like it Mr. Yahoo. But BRYC and Tri State heading down and Maryland U and New York SC moving up. Harford with no depth will be happy to tread water this year.

Anonymous said...

Do you think that a player has the right to try out for multiple teams to explore their options for the next season? If their current coach finds out would that reflect poorly on the player even though they may not necessarily make the move?

Anonymous said...

4:58, please answer my question about the Yo-yo test, and I will gladly answer your post. I have experience with this, and some good ideas.

Anonymous said...

1:07, please stop with your ridiculous post that foul by #10 as being some type of justified retribution, bullshit. Battling for a ball face to face is totally different from what occurred. She pushed the DCFA player with both hands from the back out of bounds on a hard surface, its low-rent, and stop defending it. I am all for showing toughness, its an important component of a great squad, but that was not toughness, that was cheap-shotness.

Anonymous said...

Was there a card given?

Anonymous said...

Yes, a gift-card, from the parents of DCFA.

Anonymous said...

It to bad more teams from outside jersey didn't sign up for this high class futsal tourney. Really representing the NJ crowd well fellas. It should have been a week long event and had the girls play inside a ring (around a gym floor of course). With foreign objects and the ability to come over the top rope. Of course someone might have mistaken it for Wildcat/Binghamton game and thought it was real soccer. Especially after it ended in a 1-1 tie that the Wildcats won. If you don't want your daughter being pushed in the back on a hard surface (oh my), then have her take a sewing class that weekend.

Anonymous said...

Tough players get stuck in from the front and run through you.
Pushing from the back or taking someone down from behind is not sign of toughness.
I agree it is a cheap shot artist move.

Anonymous said...

7:55 I agree

some other events

February 28, 2015
Scorpion Bowl 2015

BAYSIDE FC BOLTS NPL RED 01/02 BOSTON BREAKERS ACADEMY GU13 ECNL
FC STARS OF MASS ECNL SEACOAST UNITED MAINE SC MARINERS PREMIER - JN

##############
February 28, 2015
MANHATTAN SC KICK-OFF CLASSIC 2015

CFC ARSENAL SKY
EAST MEADOW HOTSHOTZ
NJ CRUSH FC TSUNAMI
TSF ACADEMY 01/02G

FC STARS OF MASS
MASSAPEQUA LIL' ROWDIES
RAMAPO VALLEY SC TORNADOS
WESTERN UNITED PIONEERS F

###############
March 6, 2015
Morris United STA Spring Invitational 2015

NJ CRUSH FC TSUNAMI (NJ)
NJCSA GALAXY (NJ)
MATCH FIT ACADEMY FC BLACK NORTH (NJ)

STA MORRIS UNITED NPL 01 (NJ)
SDFC SAMBA (NJ)
MANALAPAN NJCSA ELITE (NJ)

#################
March 7, 2015
5th Annual FC EUROPA TURF CUP - Girls Weekend

HFC READY '01 (PAE)
PIPELINE BLACK (MD)
LEHIGH VALLEY UNITED LVU 01 GIRLS (PAE)

FC REVOLUTION FORCE (PAE)
WYOMING VALLEY SC '01GIRLS (PAE)
MONTGOMERY BLAZE WHITE (MD)

Anonymous said...

DCFA is and has been a great futsal academy with some top Maryland players. DV had EM center mid who is as good with a ball as it gets as well as other EM/ISA girls I was told.

Anonymous said...

From what I saw, the big difference between the top teams in wildwood was that the MF from EM knows how to pass the ball and play within the team. She is that good. DCFA plays well together. Dynamo didn't play well together. Good players who didn't play as a unit and pass the ball. Both DCFA teams were very good.

Anonymous said...

Thanks for your back to back comments - sure reads like a parent of a MF or center mid.

Anonymous said...

What we have in these recent posts from some parents of players at theWildwood Futsal tournament is a great example of
how misguided parents can create monsters in their own kids.
Keep it up as all the signs are there for your child to grow into a selfish, me first, arrogant, obnoxious, uncoachable, finger pointing at his teammates, poor sport.
they will end up like so many talented players who flamed out at the next level because of immaturity and being unable to function without mommy and/or daddy there to put i the fix and clean up after them.
Once they are away from home and have to stand on their own and handle the adversity that always comes in college, they don't have the tools to deal with it.

Anonymous said...

Wow that was well put. Unfortunately it's a refreshing exception these days when the above is NOT the case.

Anonymous said...

The 11:02 post was spot on. However they meant the DV girl from EM. DV and DCFC played better as a team then Dynamo. Same talent level but team versus individual play.

Anonymous said...

Dynamo, The National Futsal champions albeit only 3 teams entered and can't get out of their bracket in wildwood? Come on parents time to deflate your heads a little.

Anonymous said...

Not a Dynamo parent. Why do you keep bashing girls and teams? Don't you have something better to do?

Anonymous said...

Still on this futsal thing I see.
February 28, 2015

MANHATTAN SC KICK-OFF CLASSIC 2015
Looks like it lost a lot of top teams at this age bracket. Not taking anything away for the teams playing but EM is the only F1 team playing all others are F3 maybe F2 teams. Should be a walk in the park for this team if they are as good as we think they are. Let's see how a top Pre-ECNL team does vs top 4 teams from NorthEeast NPL, NYCSL NPL and EDP NPL

CFC ARSENAL SKY
EAST MEADOW HOTSHOTZ
NJ CRUSH FC TSUNAMI
TSF ACADEMY 01/02G

FC STARS OF MASS North
MASSAPEQUA LIL' ROWDIES
RAMAPO VALLEY SC TORNADOS
WESTERN UNITED PIONEERS F

The other tournament next week is the
Scorpion Bowl 2015 should be a pre-ECNL showdown for the championship with a New England NPL team testing themselves.

BAYSIDE FC BOLTS NPL RED 01/02
BOSTON BREAKERS ACADEMY GU13 ECNL
FC STARS OF MASS ECNL
SEACOAST UNITED MAINE SC PREMIER

We have 3 pre-ECNL teams starting their outdoor season as well as some of the NPL teams.

NJ Crush in a battle of their NPL - Win Out and get a little help and you can book your ticket to Indiana.

TSF we get to see what type of player they will be in their NPL - I can see them winning their 4 games to set up a match up vs Nj Wildcats (assuming NJ Wildcats can take care of their division).

CFC Arsenal, currently in 4th in their NPL and should be a lock for the Playoff (I hate playoffs), let's see how the spring plays out here.

Bayside currently also in 4th place in their NPL but they have been eliminated unless NEFC goes into a tail spin can work on some stuff and see what needs to be addressed in the off season.

Anonymous said...

Dynamo parents would make David Lettermans top list of worst Soccer parents. Unfortunate for the kids. My daughter would not walk on the pitch if I acted like that.

Anonymous said...

Your daughter wouldn't make the Dynamo team. Nor the DV a team or the DCFC Teams.

Anonymous said...

Dynamo is trash

Anonymous said...

I don't know which is the weaker tournament. The Europa Cup, where if you have five good players and a decent keeper, you have a chance to win. Or the Manhattan Kickoff, where NJ Crush and the Totally Soft Futball Academy is mentioned here as possibly being relevant in a tournament? Hasn't the Crush giving up like 20 more goal than they scored and lost more games than they have won. I'm just figuring I have the wrong team in mind, because there is no way the great minds on this blog would even consider them to win out and go to Indiana. Both tournaments would be good warm ups for the Wildcats to jump into though, as they are fairly weak and the Wildcats would have a good chance to win at least one of them.

Anonymous said...

...and grab those coveted GS points

Anonymous said...

Speaking of the Wildcats, as I apparently must, why haven’t they applied to FC Delco? Seems to me, that its a tournament that they should attend, they can bunk with Penne Legacy, and have a good old time.

Anonymous said...

The only question would be how many ties are the Wildcats going to win. And the Jeff Cup question. Will they at least be able to tie one of the three teams in their bracket (they have to come away with at least one point). Crystal ball says two 3-l losses (to Legacy and Virginia) and one 1-1 tie (but it will be recorded on this blog as a win). FCV wins the bracket while Penn Fusion takes the other. Virgina wins championship over Fusion. Mark it down kids, its already history.

Seth the Soothsayer

Anonymous said...

No way Calvert Crew belongs in the top bracket, you heard it here first?

Anonymous said...

The Crew is a really good team and sometimes they even win a big game. Besides, who would have taken their place? There are a lot of teams with a similar resume, but do many have a cool name like "The Crew"?

Anonymous said...

Wildcats decided to go with the experts

They were killed on this forum for what happened at Delco last year

They will wait - let you experts tell them where to sign up to play that weekend.

Ball is in your court.

Anonymous said...

Me thinks that FC Crush should be in the top bracket, since they are going to win-out in NPL and go the NPL Finals in Indiana, but that is just my humble opinion.

Anonymous said...

Hmm, where to go, where to go?? I would say go to the Needham Tourney, since Boston is a nice town, and the chowder is pretty good.

Anonymous said...

Me thinks CRUSH should be in all top flights too. Just look at all our accolades on team web page. Yes, they are all from two years ago, but we did win indoor state cup that year.

Anonymous said...

But they have such nice uniforms, I love orange, its the new black!

Anonymous said...

Didn't "The Crew" win their bracket during Jeff Cup (I thought Wildcats might have been in that one)? In fact, didn't the Wildcats tie in every game in that bracket too?

Anonymous said...

Hey " Seth" , that's a pretty bold prediction. You do realize after beating Pipeline and PDA' s B/C team at Spirit, PF went 0-4-3 with a -9 GD in tournament play last fall. They have the talent to play with those teams but win the bracket? IDK, good luck to them. Besides we all know the ecnl clubs don't play tournaments to win. So here's my prediction, none of the 8 teams go 3-0 or 0-3 in their pools. BRYC and PL advance but only due to tie breakers over Cinn & Wildcats. The final is 1-1 at end of regulation, even though both teams hit one off the post in extra time. PL wins the shootout 4-3.

Anonymous said...

Good call on the PF's goal differential 2:45. But PF has made a few changes that my crystal ball tells me will make a difference in scoring (which the lack of hurt them last fall). True that PL seems own end of games shoot outs, but they have played a lot less 11v11 than the ones that matter in this bracket and me thinks it will show in a big girl tourney. Basically they will not be able to wear down Virginia's defense over the course of a game like they do most teams. Also think the third bracket will more competitive than the second. The second bracket always seems to have one team that should have been in the top bracket and plays angry because of it (Hmmm, ball showing team removed from top earlier).

Seth the Soothsayer

Anonymous said...

Seth, stop stealing my lines you hack.

Anonymous said...

didn't steal your lines, merely neglected to read your post. I can see a new career in your future, yes it clear to me now. Stuffing envelopes for a living. Where it takes no initiative, creativity or the ability to predict. Of course you may also make a perfect Wildcats coach too.

Anonymous said...

Seth

Whatever "changes" PF have made are yet to be implemented on the full field. The problem they and the rest of that bracket has is that BRYC is south far enough to be practicing outdoors on a full field and also playing 11v11 all winter in the CCL. I think that advantage will be too much for the other teams in that bracket to overcome. As far as PL vs. FCV, remember this is a " local" non ecnl tournament to them(FCV). We'll see how their coach plays his starters and just how important winning this tournament is vs development and evaluation of his whole roster for more "important" events. PL does wear down just about everyone though, they are a relentless, high pressure, ridiculously fast attacking team stacked with stud athletes. Very few teams have the depth to contend with them for 60 minutes. In addition their team style makes all 10 field players a scoring threat which is why they have never been shut out in 30+ full sided games.

Also, I don't see 3rd bracket(Elite Black) as competitive as 2nd(Elite Orange). I think YMS wins 3rd, but there are 3 maybe four teams if Richmond U is as good as their club thinks that should contend for the Orange Bracket.

Anonymous said...

Crystal Ball is much clearer now regarding the second bracket. Cleveland FC will continue it climb towards being accepted for the Jeff Cup top bracket.(after beating NJ Galaxy in 2014 to win their bracket). They will beat World Class in the final this year after romping through its own bracket. World Class will get to the final, but will earn it by having to go through a tough game versus Maryland U. On another note, PDA Ajax will almost get one tie, but will only score one goal against Richmond in a losing effort 2-1. New York FC will be note worthy because of number of parents pulled over due to racing back in anger to NY.

Anonymous said...

Cleveland FC? Who lost 0-2 to PAC at WAGS? How did they even get into 2nd bracket?

Anonymous said...

"We'll see how important winning the tournament is....."

It's starting already...

Anonymous said...

We shall see silly rabbit.

We. Shall. See.

Anonymous said...

Every team loses to some lesser team at some point (Legacy lost to YMS in Pags). So they left their heart in Cleveland for one day. Galaxy thought the same thing last year in the finals. 6:03 makes a great point about BYRC playing while others are sitting, but they just don't have the depth to get by the teams in their bracket. PL not being able to play but one or two games before Jeff Cup will cost them when facing Virginia. Especially having to play them in the first game on Saturday. Would have been better for them to face Wildcats first and get a good workout against there ten in the box defense. Mark it down, Cleveland FC will win their bracket and not even be challenged in the first three games. Don't doubt the soothsayer.

Anonymous said...

Right-on tooth-saver!

Cleveland ROCKS!!!

Anonymous said...

60 minutes only, the Pre-ECNL and NPL teams play 80 with sub restrictions - would like to see how they do in a shorter game with no sub restrictions.

Anonymous said...

PL guy what makes you think other teams are not stacked with athletes? Some are stacked with athletes than can actually play 1, 2 or 3 touch soccer in tight spaces without giving the ball away. Some teams actually play soccer and in F1 they all pretty much play soccer and are athletic.

Anonymous said...

PL, what is the short for, Please Leave?

Anonymous said...

6:39

You are right that PL is at a disadvantage, but Tri-State and the Wildcats are in the same boat. I would have given the same "advantage" to FCV I did BRYC but I really don't think they will be playing win at all costs soccer like I said above. As it's been mentioned several times on this blog teams like PL, Wildcats, and BRYC(non ecnl)have to win or at least not lose to stay in the top brackets and continue to play the best competition. FCV could go 0-3 and still be top flight at Delco, like it or not, it's just the way it is.

Anonymous said...

Are you talking about Legacy in an 80 minute format with sub-restrictions? I would think a longer game would help them at this point. It would simply give them much more time to wear teams down (Classics and Pf were tied with them at halftime 6-1 goal differential after). Has anyone here that has played them ever seen them substitute? There never seems to be a drop off in pressure. 6:03 probably had the best description, lots of athletes and very fast attackers. Wildcats could do well against them because they may catch them with an over the top ball while their defenders are pressing the action. Playing top bracket will show if there soccer players with skill or athletes playing soccer

Anonymous said...

Any chance we see NPL and ECNL steam their major events like USYSA did at the nationals last year?

I know NPL streamed some of their showcase games down in FL.

Anonymous said...

You are correct 7:04. And that will always leave the get-a-way answer for an ECNL club after a loss(we weren't going for the win, we were working of developmental aspects). But then again there are NPL and PAGs clubs that say the same after a bad tournament, but in truth, they didn't have the skill or horses to compete in the first place. If BRYC, Wildcats or Legacy was only cared about winning, they wouldn't carry so many on their roster. All these coaches (ECNL too) come from competitive backgrounds and winning is ingrained in them since youth, not many get to a finals an say "ah, lets just work on defending set pieces today". They want to win and so do the parents. Using lines similar to that is something young children say when they had their ball taken away because they behaved badly (I didn't want it anyway!!!).

Anonymous said...

6:56

We've played 4 of the 7 other teams in D1 in the last year, and I never insinuated any of them werent stacked with athletes. Both Calvert and NJ Wildcats played at 100% for the whole game and were great teams. But I have seen many teams full of very god players in the first half look average in the second. It's rare to watch a team that gets stronger as a game goes on and looks stronger in the last 5 minutes than the first 5. And it is that 1,2,3 touch passing game they execute that exhausts the teams they face. Not expecting that with the quality at Jeff but that's why these teams are in D1 in the first place.

Anonymous said...

7:34

Not sure about BRYC, but PL carries 17, and I heard the Wildcats carry only 15, at least they did in the fall. I can't see how you truly develop more than 17 or 18. Seems like the rest are just there to fund the team and provide enough bodies to scrimmage at practice. Anyway, it is a shame we have to focus on winning so much at this age. Personally if we walk out of a tournament like Jeff 0-0-3, it should be viewed as a success since we know we can play on the level of the best teams in the country. Unfortunately I don't think many parents or players would think so, and who knows what the next tournament committee will think. I do know this, we will likely play the same as we always do, everyone starts, everyone plays quality minutes, and everyone feels they contributed to the results. We'll never be the team where 6 girls ride the bench for all but 2 minutes per half and we all hold our breath till the "starters" come back in. Our coach has more of a "whole team" philosophy. Some don't like it but I do(even though I believe my daughter would play 100% on other teams). If that's enough to win the whole tournament, GREAT! If not, so be it, train harder and continue to develop as a team. Of course that's easier to say in my living room than to accept on a sideline after a loss. After all, that idea that "winning is important" is ingrained in us parents from our youth coaches as well. Probably not going to change the whole nations mentality overnight.

Anonymous said...

Its to bad that PL is so far away from the possibility of playing ECNL teams by simply being to far away. They are truly one of the teams that could benefit from playing many of the good ECNL teams that are in NJ and NY (Mass too). Each of these teams have great athletes and different styles of play. Legacy would have to be at the top of their game (although the Champions League should be similar). 20 days to Jeff Cup and the girls playing some serious soccer outdoors.

Anonymous said...

So how about one of you really informed ECNL parents, give this PAGS parent a tutorial on the workings of an ECNL team. Basically how many they roster, how many play, whether you have multiple coaches during practices and all that jazz. Most of us are readily available to criticize ECNL, but really don't know much about it. I know the cost is higher than Pags teams, but is the coaching level that much greater to off set the cost. Not looking for an infomercial for ECNL, just a parent that can point out what has worked for them and maybe what hasn't.

Anonymous said...

More than 18 on roster.
Usually 22-25 or more.
Not everyone dresses for each game or tournament.
Only 18 can dress in each game.
those who are not chosen to dress must watch from parent sideline.
Still only 1 coach per team and 1 trainer per session per team.
Extra players rostered beyond 18 are really just a cash money grab for club as the 7 subs a team has to get playing time for with 18 players rostered is still a lot for any team to keep happy much less a roster of 25. How do you keep 14 subs happy with playing time.
I guess if you had some type of communicable disease or epidemic hit your team you would need that many subs.

Anonymous said...

What team has that many subs and made to sit on parents sidelines? I don't see that.

Anonymous said...

Go in ECNL website. Team and rosters are listed.

Anonymous said...

Rules do not allow players not rostered to sit on bench with subs during games.
They must go on other side and watch with spectators.
With rosters above 18 on these teams this is a weekly demoralizing experience for these young girls.

Anonymous said...

Having had one of my daughters play in an ECNL program and is now playing in college and my younger daughter not in an ECNL program.

I am keenly aware of the good and the bad.

Like most non ecnl programs, each child will have a different experience at an ECNL club.

Your life is dictated by the coaches personality and who he decides are his favorites( no different from a lot of non ecnl clubs).

The rosters can be excessive at some clubs but extremely manageable at others. Even within clubs, you will see different roster sizes depending on the team.

The best thing about an ecnl club is that the coaching staff usually meet a certain standard, but this standard can still vary significantly.

You also have a certainty that you will be in a league with other clubs that have to follow similar rules with regards to quality of fields and schedule. Coaches do not have to find a league every year if region 1 or edp or PAGs doesn't work out for that year. So there is a bit of stability.

Although quality of teams can still vary.

The quality feels truly academy like but never confuse that with the certainty of having quality training.



One coach is usually running the show but it is not unusual to have an assist coach working with team to help mange the numbers and trust me there can be numbers.


The numbers game is a recent phenom that has caught on because of revenue grabs by the club owners. to support other programs within these organizations

They will certainly try to spin it , that it is for the good of the kids but that is not fooling anyone.


The initial costs for large sided starts at about 2300 to about about 2700.


At this age you will be hit with extra's

winter training (not unlike ecnl clubs).

extra clinics

extra tournaments beyond the 2 or 3 included in the initial fees.


Travel expenses.( not much different than other non ecnl clubs but will increase as kids get older.

Depending on the specific ecnl club, the atmosphere for the kids can be a unified one or one that is more manic and strife with competition.


Soccer Nut






Anonymous said...

Thanks SNL///

Anonymous said...

Thanks you soccer nut for the impartial view on ECNL. Having had one daughter go through it gives your word plenty of credence. From what you are saying, the biggest advantage is the stability of the league and probably that its centered in an area where there are many great colleges, and its easier for the recruiters to see who they want to look at when the girls are older. But like all leagues, there are clubs that are just collecting money and telling parents whatever they want to hear. For some parents though, just the knowledge that little Susie is part of something is enough for them and it fills a need. Plus their willing to spend the dollars, so the club is happy to keep them on. But I do think clubs like that become feeder clubs for better ones as top players move on and lesser skilled players try to take their place. I think this is exactly what lead Pags having so many bad teams last year. Lots of player movement with a couple teams taking on the better players.

Anonymous said...

Pags club fees vary greatly, with clubs like Rage, FC Revs and Classics costing more than $2000, with Penn United and Legacy being on the low end around $1200 to $1400. No matter what the cost, it seems that its a real hit miss on the quality of the coach you may have at different age groups. Is there consistency regarding level of play for more than one or two age group with most ECNL clubs? or is it similar to Pags? Where the success of age groups vary greatly. It almost seems like its an every other year thing.

Anonymous said...

At this age group, I ask the same questions about an ECNL team that i would ask of any team or club.

1 What is the pedigree of the coach

2) Has he taken the kids through the important high school years of the team.

3) Style of play

4) Is the coach truly committed to the team or is the coach stretched in several directions.

5) Pedigree of the club and what is their track record for placing kids in college.

Here i just pretend that there is No ecnl and try to figure out how the club stands by itself. There is a big difference between San Diego Surf, Michigan Hawks, Dallas Texans , vs. an East Meadow .


Yet they all share the ECNL banner. But when you strip the ECNL banner, it kinda makes it a bit clearer in making the appropriate choices for your
daighter

College placement is important and having a collection of high level players playing together can be great for development. Brands do carry weight, so do politics, so I would never minimize the positive nature of a great club or Coach have inside or outside the ECNL.

But in the end, it always about the player and if your daughter has the goods and the particular school likes your daughter then that is all that matters.

Soccer Nut





Anonymous said...

To the guy who said the 7 girls above 18 is a cash grab.

1. How many girls do ODP teams roster? 18?
2. Are you saying those 8 girls couldn't play on the B are just a pure money grab? or are these girls better than the B team girls but not yet ready for A team game action?
3. Would you put a kid in a situation to fail if you thought she wasn't ready?
4. Do these 7 kids benefit for training with 18 top notch kids and not much difference between them and most of the 18?
5. I'm sure the non-ecnl tournaments are used to figure out the order (rank) of the role players.
6. If your kid made the team the only one wrecking the experience is the parent complaining. If you are unhappy leave.

Anonymous said...

ECNL teams need rosters larger than 18 at the older ages. You carry at least 2 goalies, at any given time you could have 1-2 unavailble do to other commitments, national team etc. The biggest reason is injury. You always have 2-3 out with long term injuries, and 2-3 game to game.

Anonymous said...

I do not think it would be a trivial task to crack the starting lineup of a good ECNL team.

If a starter had to move away or quit, there are 10-12 "subs" already on the team ready to fight for that opening. Plus, there is often a fairly high quailty "B" team with several quality players who want to move up. Look at how many B and C teams qualified for the Jefferson cup.

Anonymous said...

There are so many ways one could deal with excess numbers. You donot have to have 26 on the a team. 20 would just fine with the next 6 anchoring the b team to participate in practices and be called when earned or needed.

Anonymous said...

7:36 Just checked PA website 50 girls picked for 2 teams, why didn't they just pick 40 - 20 for each team?

Same reason ENCL keeps more than 18 they won't turn away talent. Why put them on the B team when you can stockpile there as well. The more talent you have the less the others have and all those girls benefit from training against top talent.

For the guy who has a kid in college
Did they have to put ODP on the App to the school and how many games they started/played for ODP? or were they happy with knowing the kid kid was good enough to be identified for ODP kind of like the kid was good enough to make an ECNL team?

Anonymous said...

All Bs.
It's a money grab pure and simple.
If they wanted to have backups in case of a rash of injuries they could just bring them up from b team in that instance.
but oh wait B Team has 25 players also?
I would say how stupid do you think we parents are, but I guess they got 50 parents to buy in right?
wouldn't they have a better chance of developing if they actually played in every game? If you say your training environment is so different and great that is overcomes any need to play in games regularly to develop than how do you account for players coming from outside your club and training environment jumping in and making your teams every year?

Anonymous said...

To 8:13

My oldest did not play ODP.

It was not necessary.

My youngest will also not participate in ODP.

There is some misconceptions about resume building and how that helps your child get into her Academic college of choice.


Soccer Nut







Soccer Nut.

Anonymous said...

You really need individual stories to judge whether or not 22, 23, 24 kids can/cannot work, should/should not be accepted.

Anonymous said...

Go on college websites and look at the bios of girls over the past couple of years. Most talk about their high school career and not their club years. They mention their club but not the accolades. Mostly how many state titles their high school won, their all-conference or all-state awards, etc. Not one mention of winning the Jefferson Cup or Disney at 13 years old either.

Anonymous said...

9;09

The only individual stories i need is the faces of all those talented players asked not to suit up for a game.


Soccer Nut

Anonymous said...

ODP originally started out with the right mindset and its selection process was tight. Somewhere along the way things have changed, maybe because it has to pay its coaches or just the cost of doing business. But unfortunately ODP has become just a huge money grab. There are still many great players doing it, but there are just as many girls on the ODP teams that are not even in the top 6 on their own teams, but their parents are willing to kick out the bucks and say "she's playing ODP". Its a shame because was a great idea when it was created years ago. On a positive note, it is a great traveling experience for families and there are opportunities for games overseas. But again, it is often about which kids can afford it and not which are the most talented.

Anonymous said...

9:10

Actually you see a lot mention ODP experience, ECNL championships, and state cups. High School is much more rare, and only by girls that didn't excell with their clubs. Racking up great stats against inferior high school soccer competition isn't going to impress many college coaches. I have seen state cup wins as young as 13 mentioned especially if they won multiple, and team championships at top tournaments such as Jeff and others, but not at 13 that I remember.

Anonymous said...

9:20

Sounds like ECNL, a great experience for those at the top who can afford it. It's the parents of the girls that don't play I have to question. To most girls, they just want to play soccer, but to many parents they she'll out the money so they can say, "she's playing on an ECNL team. When in both examples she really isn't playing.

Anonymous said...

6:36

And how it different from non ECNL teams? Are the ECNL girls more injury prone? Come on, all coaches have to build their rosters to be able to deal with the inevitable injuries. Most manage to do it with 18, not 30.

Anonymous said...

How many players are rostered on a typical boys DA team? Since they aren't paying it can't be about money. If they roster 30 for development purposes than the ECNL teams that do the same may be justified. If they roster 18-20 then that's probably what ussf feels is appropriate and the ECNL clubs are truly just trying to make more money.

Anonymous said...

Red Bulls roster 21 at u13

and 16 at u14.

easy to verify, just check red bulls website.


They are paying the freight-not a money grab.

Anonymous said...

PA Classics also roosters only 16 at u-14, 18 at U-16, and 19 at U-18. I am betting there is a trend that shows these oversize ECNL rosters aren't nessessary for anything other than profit at the expense of these poor kids that aren't even playing.

Anonymous said...

Of course it is a money grab.
come on how can it benefit those poor girls when they are told they won't even dress of travel to an away tournament?
It's shocking that parents will subject their own child to that experience to massage their own egos.

Anonymous said...

9:18 and those individual faces are caused by not playing or what their parents are saying about them not playing?

These kids don't need pity since every single one of them can play on a non-ecnl team or their club's B team. They are great players just not the best on that team, so they have to compete for minutes.

Just my opinion.

Anonymous said...

Sorry just catching up on all the banter from this weekend.

PL parent

You say your coach play every player equal time and this helps your team. Are you saying there is no difference in talent between the girls? I would think there are girls that are better then others. If your D can go play 3/4 of the game for another team instead of a half , why wouldnt you leave? Even if you D wouldn't be the best on the new team she would be practicing against better girls that would make her better. Instead of practicing against girls that your D make better.

11:09
None of the PA ECNL teams have more then 18 players rostered.
All 3 of them of 2 coaches, both are usually there at practices.
everyone plays but playing time varies during the season. At tourneys playing time becomes more equal but ECNL coaches still want to win. Coaches can sit thier better players more during tourneys because of the sub rule in tourneys.
8:13

ODP is on every college form. Do coaches care if your D played ODP, so coaches proabaly do some dont. What we have run into from coaches is what club do you play for?? Does the college know your coach or coaches in your club? Someone the college coach can talk to about your D and get an honest answer about.

Anonymous said...

ECNL carries a brand name that few/some/most college coaches will recognize. Might help. Might not. Depends on your own experiences as well as to those you may have talked to.

If you're not playing for an ECNL team, then your chances of getting recognized come down to high school, club soccer at showcase events, and ODP/TIPS/etc.

What is sad is the following scenario :
Really good soccer player

Poor high school team; makes it difficult to assess just how good a player can be.

Her club team might be poor at milking the gotsoccer system, which keeps them out of important showcase events which would help get her recognized.

Only path to getting recognized then becomes ODP-like programs.

If ECNL players are being advised not to participate in ODP, then the ODP environment could be a nice collection of talented players. However, it will become the same environment as ECNL, where everyone is trying to prove their worth on the pitch against similarly skilled players.

ODP may be a cheaper option, but it is generally assumed that the quality of the ECNL coaching/competitive play will put most players over the top. Plus, they are already entrenched in premier showcase events.

It is absolutely possible for a player to succeed as an ECNL player, a club player, an ODP player, or a high school player. But, some parents define success as a scholarship, which the well informed know is often fairy dust. Some will define success as simply enjoyment of the game, and if you can win that battle, then the rest should take care of itself.


Anonymous said...

There is another way for the player to get noticed in your scenario, self-promotion. Send emails and videos out to college coaches. Go to college ID camps. College summer camps are expensive, like most summer camps but the 1/2 or 1 day ID camp are usually around $100. That is not a lot of money for your D to get exposure to a college coach.

Anonymous said...

Just catching up as well...

Someone a few pages back picked Penn Fusion to make Jeff Cup finals. This will be more difficult as PF will be missing two of their starters, both USSF Training Center/ODP level players. One is hurt, the other's family is moving.

Anonymous said...

Price?? I will use the PA poster that PL is about $1,500 to play for the year. My assumption might be wrong here,but a parent of a very good soccer player might also try ODP which will cost another $1,700 (2 tournaments, 10 training sessions & region 1 camp).
So assuming no extra training is payed for the PL parent of a very good soccer player would pay $3,200 per year.

Not much difference between an ECNL player?

Using same example

PL player would need to travel to VA, RI, MA & NYW for ODP and Region1 CL games which does not include additional tournament travel to Jeff Cup, Bethesda, WAGS

ECNL player travels to MA & CT for league games plus 2 events (1 is in NJ) plus playoffs. This also doesn't cover tournament play like Jeff Cup, Bethesda, WAGS

Aside from ECNL teams and besides PL what PA team gets top flight in major tournaments?

So since PL is in Lancaster and only rosters 18 players if your really good soccer player is not on an ECNL team - is it better for them to stay and make the team better or is it better for them to move to ECNL (if DA) and be on a roster of 25?


Anonymous said...

MSC Tournament is officially cancelled, oh well.

What is FC cCrush going to do now? They were all looking forward to losing to the Hotshotz this weekend.

Anonymous said...

Folks. Just go on PDA and MF websites. Not the ONLY but the best opportunity for your daughter to play at the next level period. Please look at the class that just signed letters of intent a few weeks back. Quite impressive! Again, not the only way but how can anyone argue the results?????? Drop the bashing and if it is not your thing, fine. Move on and good luck. But until you can post same results, relax and back off a bit.

Anonymous said...

9:42 So sad about the MSC KOC.

To MSC people I have a suggestion for you guys - with most of the regional/national finals in June/July

Forget the Spring pre-Season and move into Playoff (I hate playoffs) Regional/National pre -tournament - give these teams a good warm up going into these events at the same time give some teams a solid tournament to end their season and maybe get some of their new players a preview. June is a much better time for people to see NYC than early March

or

you can leave it as a Spring KOC. I'm sure we'll go back to global warming at some point.

Just one yahoo's opinion

Anonymous said...

Think STA Spring Invitational will happen?

Anonymous said...

10:13

Yea, if your daughter can't make the regional ODP team then I guess ECNL would be the next best option. Of course a year from now when USSF gets the girls DA up and running the ECNL will be history or at least a shell of what it is now. Sure PDA will be fine, but no way they give Matchfit a girls DA. EM?, prob not. Both West Chester clubs? Doubt it. Things are going to change fast, enjoy it for now.

Anonymous said...

10:13 why would someone from lancaster or reading travel to PDA and MF's website.

I think PA is great battle ground to talk ECNL vs Non-ECNL big state with 3 teams for 3 solid clubs.

Correct me if I'm wrong PA people - but PA has always been about the coach and then you supplement that with ODP. But with the rise of ECNL in MA, CT & NJ and possibly becoming a USSF DA for girls.

This will put pressure on a bunch of these teams in my opinions as PF may add a player or two but FC Bucks and CFC Delco will have a major face lift.

The NJ landscape is a little different you have 2 clubs that might have 5 of the top 6 teams in the state. I know STA and NJ Crush can have a say in this so it might be safer to say 5 out of the top 8 teams come from 2 clubs. You can also see this in CT & MA. PA is a little behind and so is NY as WC plays up North and has NYSC in their backyard and the other 2 teams are on LI with none covering Brooklyn/Queens.

Anonymous said...

10:40- do you think MSC loves doing the tournament at this time of year ? Issue is fields. Hard to get at any other time of year.

Anonymous said...

We will know soon if MF and PDAare a 5 out of top 8 situation or more like 5 out of top 10

A couple of unmentioned teams have a chance to make a nice little move in the division this spring.

Anonymous said...

10:56 in June really? Most leagues are done and schools are closed for the summer with no major tournaments in the middle of June I see it as a big opportunity. Who will the fields be used by? Yeah I know LI is a lacross hot bed and softball season is in full force but I didn't think MSC used LI fields.

Again just a suggestion - always easy to throw out suggestions when you don't know all the facts.

Anonymous said...

Your NJ Cup breakdown who are these teams 10:59? NJCSA, SJEB & TSF?

FC Copa Lima NPL
Medford Hurricanes

Game A
winner plays Match Fit Academy North East NPL
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Game B
NJCSA Galaxy
Thistle Comets
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Howell United Outlaws
Mount Laurel United Fury

Game C
winner plays
winnerplays PDA Dragons
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Game D
NJ Wildcats Averbuch
SDFC Samba
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Jersey Premier Soccer Flash
SJEB '01 West

Game E
winner plays PDA Ajax
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SJEB '01 NPL
Washington United Fever

Game F
winner plays Hamilton Elite Academy Avalanche
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Match Fit Academy Black North
Union Lady Cobras

Game G
winner plays STA Morris United NPL 01
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Game F
NJ Crush Tsunami
TSF Academy 01/02
#################

A MF NPL
B NJCSA Galaxy

C PDA Dragons
D NJ Wildcats

E PDA Ajax
F SJEB NPL

G STA
F NJ Crush

Anonymous said...

7:25
I never said they play equal time, I said everyone starts, everyone gets quality minutes. 16 field players for 10 possitiin, everyone usually gets 50%-%75. A lot of times it depends on the other team, their size, speed, passing, and how we match up not always just who's "best". And they always seem to play at the same level no matter who is on the field or what positions our coach puts them in.

As far as moving my D to a different team with better teammates and better coaching.... Humor me, tell me where I would find such a team. Feel free to include U-14.

Anonymous said...

8:16

Absolutely, college coaches would much rather you come to them. They don't want to watch 200 kids when 199 have no interest in their program. Gives them opportunity to meet with girl to gauge personality, to see them train against current players, and run them through specific drills. Combines pretty good as well in player alittle less decided on specific schools.

Anonymous said...

So 11:17, if the USSF sanctions ECNL as a Girls DA killing ODP - you stay put? Do you think all the girls on your kid's will stay put? But that wouldn't matter since you guys are so stacked. I guess you have another PA Strikers out in Lancaster.

Anonymous said...

9:35

Funny thing how many ECNL players my daughter plays with at ODP. Truth is a lot of the girls ECNL clubs brag about got into D1 programs through ODP connections. ECNL takes credit but it's really just good marketing. Tell me how much is ECNL club plus ODP incl 4 national events. For the record my older D plays with a girl who's parrnts drop 15K a year in that scenario !

Anonymous said...

8:57

Even with the PF side of bracket being easier at Jeff Cup they will not make it to finals. 2 starters missing? Please, don't start with the excuses. ODP level? That means what anymore? Nothing. They just aren't strong enough to do it. They need a few more top players added to their roster next year if they want to win top tournaments. End of story.

Anonymous said...

11:23

USSF isn't going to make that mistake! Plenty of dead weight to get rid of. See my comments above. Plus the clubs with current boys DAs are going to be in the mix and possibly those with connections to WPS teams. Very possible PA Classics will be involved as it expands geography. If that's the case PL may well reexamine that merger that fell apart a couple years back. If not I would take a look at YMS 98 to see how far a non ECNL team with the right players and coaches can go. Unlike most teams, we will be stronger next yr, we know whos coming to tryouts, hate to see anyone go, so I hope everyone's been working hard this winter! Beyond that, who knows. But again, where do you think she would be developing better?

Anonymous said...

What team are you referring to?

Anonymous said...

MF bench players do not play. Just a fact. Good for some, not so good for others

Anonymous said...

So the so called state cup might be only 4 games? And most of the best teams aren't involved in it.

Anonymous said...

What is the flight value of that state cup. Mr. Got soccer guy can you inform us please.

Anonymous said...

Gulati seems to have a good relationship with ECNL. So you think that won't play a role and they will just follow the Boys DA and say okay any of you guys also want a girls DA?

PS. WPS isn't around any more it's now the NWSL with no PA teams. Most of the ECNL Clubs are also Boys DA

Anonymous said...

11:45

?

Anonymous said...

11:38

"We will be stronger next year.."

Who are "we"

Anonymous said...

11:53

Sorry, brain fart there, sucks getting older.

Of course it will play a part, but so will other factors. You think USSF doesn't also have a good relationship with Boys DA clubs? And not "most" I don't think but will have to count. Like I said PDA will be fine. But Matchfit, EM, PF, and FC Stars to name a few aren't boys DA. You really think Matchfit gets a girls DA after being stripped of the boys side?! EM will be lucky to just hang on as a club forget providing free soccer to the top teams. And sorry but West Chester PA can't support 2 elite girls teams. Who's the odd man out CFC who have proven they can do it with the boys or PF who seems to be producing better players? Can they do it without the $? You're kidding yourself if you think every club out there is like PDA, USSF knows better too

Anonymous said...

11:59

PL

Anonymous said...

11:30

2 girls should never make or break a team. That's the problem I see with these coaches who play their starting 11 all but the whole game, and league rules that force others to do so. It doesn't develop the whole squad and then when 2 girls go down(inevitable)there goes 20% of your team. Then you expect girls who never play or get minimal minutes to step into their shoes and they can't. It's not the girls fault but she just got thrown to the wolves! This is u-13 soccer, everyone should be getting quality time on the field, too bad if you don't win every game

Anonymous said...

No worries 12:04 in the same boat

Below are your 16 7 18 Boys DA clubs in our region.

I just think Gulati will sanction ECNL and ECNL will come up with some strict guidelines and then use the NPL to promote clubs as they relegate clubs that don't meet their guidelines

Also the reason the boys DA is free is becasue of MLS, the non MLS teams need to stay in the picture.

No way NWSL holds the same water, I don't see the girls DA being free from the start maybe at some point. But the girls game is different in a country so big with no other major sports taking away athletes at the NT level they can afford to leave things the way they are for now.

we just need to identify a formation and style and have these clubs start teaching that style of play which is the immediate fix.



MLS
New York Red Bulls
Philadelphia Union
D.C. United
New England Revolution
Montréal Impact

ECNL
Players Development Academy
Bethesda-Olney
Richmond United
Continental FC DELCO
Albertson SC

NPL
NJCSA
Oakwood Soccer Club
FC Bolts Celtic
Seacoast United

Non-ECNL - Non NPL
PA Classics
Baltimore Bays Chelsea
BW Gottschee Academy
Empire Revolution
Beachside SC
Everton FC Westchester

Anonymous said...

u14 Boys DA clubs that I didn't list on previous post.

PS MF still has a boys DA team

ECNL
Match Fit Academy FC
World Class FC

NPL
New York Soccer Club
Lehigh Valley United
Prince William Courage

Non ECNL - Non NPL
Met Oval
Soccer Association of Columbia

Anonymous said...

12:17

Agreed but come tryouts that coach better make sure his roster spots go to the top 16-18 out there. It might mean making cuts, hurting feelings, and creating an awkward last month of the year but if the club and coach are truly trying to develop a great team, it goes with the job and is only fair to the other players that want to play with the best around.

Anonymous said...

I agree 12:17 about 2 players that's why i never buy into the PDA Ajax claims that there best players are with ECNL team - that's what is supposed to happen with them.

This is where I disagree with you. I may not like that teams roster more than 18 but I do understand and i do think it brings value to the players that don't get any pressure from their parents or people that value games played to much.

I would be happy if they did away with rankings/standings under u16 but the colleges get hurt in that scenario.

I think when you create an environment whey you have 25 kids pushing each other for playing time will bring out the best in the kids that are able to handle and put which will put their development into overdrive because they are going 100% every time they are on the field. Yes it's u13, I get it like i said i may not like it (and my kid doesn't have to worry about that) but i see the value in it and can not dismiss it just because I disagree with it.

Anonymous said...

You may be right, time will tell, but if they go with similar numbers there will be 9 more clubs awarded girls DA than current ECNL. And for the reasons I stated above I don't think EM, MF, and both West Chester teams will be included. And yes MF does have a "DA"at u14 but not 16/18 when it matters anymore. They would be foolish not to consider geography. Like in west Chester who cares about girls 21-40 in that town if they can get 1-20 in central pa instead? Is there enough talent around LVU that won't travel an he to practice to consider them? May be a factor up in NE as well. I think USSF will want to put their own signature so to speak on the program not just hand over the future of us girls soccer to the ECNL people. I think that lack of control is why USSF is taking this step to begin with.

Anonymous said...

12:57 I agree about USSF wanting control and to put their stamp on things. At the end of the day they may just call it the USSF Girls DA instead of ECNL with nothing changing but the league's name. But I think the US Club soccer move to bring in Kevin Payne as its new CEO is a bi-product of ECNL becoming Girls DA. The guy held executive leadership positions within U.S. Soccer and Major League Soccer.

You are right only time will tell and either ECNL becomes girls DA or USSF comes up with a new girls DA Girls Youth Soccer will be rocked to it's core.

Anonymous said...

11:30 and 12:17, I don't disagree with what you are saying, but I also don't think that was the point of the 8:57 post.

All that post was doing was pointing out that losing two top players is going to hurt the team's chances of advancing to the finals. Is this something that is controversial? The idea that losing two top players would hurt a team's chances of going deep in a tourney?

Anonymous said...

another move that points to US Club soccer having a bigger role

"U.S. Soccer Federation “C,” “D” and “E” coaching licenses courses may now be conducted by US Club Soccer, signifying a major step forward in US Club Soccer’s ability to directly impact coaching development and education for members."

Anonymous said...

11:30

Re: "PF need a few more top players in order to win tournaments"

Is it possible that in not winning any events the club can still be prospering?

Is it possible that we are beyond that right now - taking a more mature look at weekend play, especially out of state - and not demanding hardware?

Envision for a minute an age group where one team is so superior they win every tournament they attend

Does this mean teams should shy away - that teams get nothing from the experience of playing in such an event?

I think not.

Play at or slightly above your level. Look to improve, do some things better each time out. Represent the clors of the club with pride, dignity and class. And the experience will give you a payoff. The hardware is......well...........dust, in the end.

Anonymous said...

2:33

I just think you have to realize that injuries occur at all clubs. Most are not pointing out how shorthanded they are with the arrival of each event.

Peace - and good luck

Anonymous said...

2:41, I don't think it would have been even remarked upon had not someone else picked them to advance to finals.

Anonymous said...

11:46am

MF bench players do not play, which team NPL or ECNL

Anonymous said...

MF NPL TEAm

Anonymous said...

For all the parents who decide to pursue the ECNL route. When would you make the switch over to the ECNL club? Before the pre-ecnl starts? Or would you wait until U13-14 when they are in the ECNL league? Am I reading correctly that PDA has a U12 pre-ECNL? Can someone please explain how that works?

Anonymous said...

2:36

Let me be as polite as possible here.

You guys have been using the injury excuse all fall. Just days ago someone was saying they are now injury free and their "changes" are going to take them to the next level or something. Now back to the excuses.

Of course you don't need to win tournaments to be prospering , but you do have to win games. It's going to get hard to motivate players and keep parents from leaving if you don't. And right now that team really doesn't. I know there is a lot of talent there and you have a good coach. I have to wonder if it's a lack of depth which may be what the other poster meant by adding players. But where are they going to come from?

Not from central PA right now.

And that ties in with my point of not having 2 girls DA's in the same town.

Here's a question, if PF goes winless at Jeff like Bethesda and WAGS would they still deserve to be D1 at FC Delco? If not wins and losses what criteria should be used?

Anonymous said...

Wins and ties vs top teams should be the criteria

Anonymous said...

3:23

When you think about it U8 is pre ECNL for PDA

Climb the ladder with the club, develop, keep the relationship with the club on solid ground and she'll be ECNL

Good luck.

Anonymous said...

On MF NPL I would have to think those that did not play as much are the players that left. Should be more of a balanced rotation now and maybe less issues since not as many subs, no? Playing time is biggest reason for complaints. Same found at all the other clubs as well. When unbalanced roster gets too big, issues become bigger as the level goes up.....

Anonymous said...

3:27

2:36 here - and not from Penn Fusion

Just have an ability to see the entire landscape.

Just talk. No need to compete here.

Anonymous said...

3:55 - how many players left MF NPL team? Were they original NJX players or new girls that were hoping joining this team will help them get onto to ECNL team?

Anonymous said...

But that's just it, PF does not need to win to get into D1 at Delco. The ECNL hosts take care of each other.

This is a ridiculous conversation. The girls are inconsistent. They can beat MF, Boston and EM, and then lose to Albertson. They tied BRYC and Wildcats. This hardly a bad team.

Anonymous said...

Albertson is an improving team

Anonymous said...

Everyone is an improving team

Anonymous said...

"You guys have been using the injury excuse all fall. Just days ago someone was saying they are now injury free and their "changes" are going to take them to the next level or something. Now back to the excuses."

That team was missing some players for the early ECNL season, but was at full strength for WAGS and Bethesda. They've had like, one bad half all summer and fall (the loss to Legacy). The rest of the results look pretty typical for a club that plays top competition.

Someone said, "they will make the finals of Jeff", and then someone said "no, they won't. Here's why". Not sure what the problem is here. This might be the quietest, least offensive, un-controversial group of parents and players around. Leave 'em alone.

Anonymous said...

First of all 4:49, no one is questioning the classiness of PF players or parents. They are a quality high level team with girls that play hard and just as awesome off the field. But if you don't want to read about your team (if it is your team), all you have to do is don't read the blog. Almost no one on hear rips any players personally, they rip the comments of the person giving them. Reach to right and grab a tissue and dry your eyes and it will be okay. This is an extremely fun blog because feeling are not brought here. And I'm one of the believers that PF will win their bracket and that the loss to Legacy was a one time thing as far as the scoring. That's it 4:49, deep breaths, all better?

Anonymous said...

" Reach to right and grab a tissue and dry your eyes and it will be okay. "

That's an awful lot of hyperbole, 5:08.

Anonymous said...

Sorry 5:13. This is a great blog because of the give and take. There's no crying in baseball or on this blog. Feelings are for the weak and the unsure, or for Wildcat parents after another disappointing tournament.

Anonymous said...

Wildcats last tournament result was 3rd place in Bethesda top flight.
They were not disappointed with that showing at all.
Playing consistently in the top flights of the best tournaments and competitive when there is the goal for the team.
Were you so disappointed with your showing in not winning the B Flight at Bethesda?

Anonymous said...

Could you imagine if the wildcats had the same tournament record as PF last fall and were on here talking about winning Jeff Cup? You guys would be ripping them apart.

Anonymous said...

The person predicting PF success is not a PF parent.

PF will not win Jeff Cup.

Anonymous said...

Have heard that ECNL is expanding to U13 next year and all clubs will be required to play a certain amount of ECNL level games at U12. This age misses that, but it means kids will be moving to the ECNL clubs earlier than ever.

Anonymous said...

Just join at U5 and be done with it. Why spend anymore time with the common folk than necessary.

Anonymous said...

6:24 is correct. I am not a PF parent, but am a fan of their style of play and the class their parents show win or lose. So yeah, I'm a little biased and do think they have a great chance to come out of their bracket. It is funny to see those Wildcat claws swinging an missing though.

Anonymous said...

difference between PF and wildcats is that PF plays the game of soccer and the kids are taught the game the way the USSF mandates teaches the game. The Wildcats play that first to the ball , get the ball as quick as possible and use the midfielders as defenders to kick the ball forward . Old american aggressive style. I wouldn't be surpassed if this team spends some of their training time having the girls participate in a Mosh pit to toughen the girls up.

Anonymous said...

8:44

Where did you get this info from? The club directly or a coach? That would mean there will be a lot more girls at tryouts for the younger ages scrambling to get in.

Anonymous said...

10:44, you are either a stalker or a groupie, neither is very flattering, and to be honest both are creepy. You probably are a PF parent, which is cool, enjoy your time together, its precious.

Anonymous said...

11:06

Let's assume that proper development over winning isn't just an excuse coaches use to keep checks rolling in on average teams that lose a lot. (Seems to me winning is the result of proper development, and that in turn attracts top players to a team which then keeps winning) but just for a second ...

The whole USSF "proper development" ideals really is great for the 1 in a thousand who have a shot at the national team. With very few exceptions though, that's not the style of U.S. college soccer. Thats the style you guys critize the Wildcats for playing, first to the ball fast and physical. BTW, I've only seen them twice but I would argue you are wrong on that too, there's more to them that but think what you want.

But here's the thing, a lot of these girls couldn't care less about college right now, and have no thought of the national teams, they just want to play soccer and have fun! Even more will chose to go to college for an actual education(gasp!) Biology, pre-med, tons of majors where playing a sport won't even be an option for them. So enjoy winning now. These are to be some of the best years of their lives, yet a lot of them will look back at all the time they "wasted" losing games and "developing" for some future they aren't even interested in.

And don't get me started on the fantasy of soccer scholarships!

There are so many distractions coming for these girls over the next few years, not the least of which are boys. You'll see just how important this sport is to these players. Like I said before, the greatest motivator to keep them focused and working hard is winning.

Teams that continually lose games and lose tournaments wind up with girls who lose interest and that leads to losing players, usually to teams that win.

Sorry, I may be the exception, but I'd rather see my D's team keep winning now. In the next couple years when the idea of sacrificing to keep playing at the highest level becomes reality, hopefully she will look back at the winning and stay motivated to keep working hard. If not she will always have the memories of tournament championships, state cups etc with her best friends, while she pursues some other path in life.

Anonymous said...

8:38 you are obviously a parent and were offended. That was not the intent of the poster I believe. What you say is totally true and agree with all of it. The problem is many from that(your) team come on here saying that the kids on that team are looking to go to school for this sport. That being said, most will say this technique to win now will not get you there down the road. That is really it.....

Anonymous said...

9:15

Not from Wildcats, not even NJ. I just find the criticism I see here of them totally at odds at what I saw on the field , and in talking to their parents. Not really interested in defending them though, they can do that themselves. My point is what your see in most college programs is the emphasis on the first to the ball fast physical play so many on here criticize. Good luck to the girls focusing only on finess passing and the "beautiful game", at the expense of winning with physicality but if they don't make the national team or Stanford UVA etc they will be in the minority in college. That is if they don't get burnt out before then.

Anonymous said...

9:31 I have a question for you.

Do you think these types of players don't make it? or there just isn't enough of them to stand out. There are only 70 clubs in the country that are ECNL and maybe another 70 that are NPL that try to follow the DA guidelines.

That's about 140 clubs out of 4,500 teams per age x 4 18,000 teams. How many coaches not affiliated with ECNL or NPL coach to teach the beautiful game? I would bet not many maybe another 150. So in my opinion this is the reason you see so much of what we see in the college game, that is what the majority is teaching and that's what most of us parents buy into. Read the board, if your on a team of 18+ that is teaching the game you are wasting your time since you are not playing in games to win at u13.

Anonymous said...

"The whole USSF "proper development" ideals really is great for the 1 in a thousand who have a shot at the national team. With very few exceptions though, that's not the style of U.S. college soccer."

Yes lets keep playing the same way. lets keep teaching our kids to play rockem sockem soccer. be cause hey thats the way we always done it and thats the way the colleges play it.

Thats a really good excuse-one that usually the coaches use to perpetuate this style of play.

Since when has being extremely skillful hurt any kid in college.


Also 9:31's argument is the normal rationalization of a parent who's kid is not being taught the game.


Its just plain stupid. In any sport every athlete that is extremely fundamentally sound is always in a better position than an athlete with similar athleticism with out the fundamentals.









Anonymous said...

Extremely skillful equals fundamentals.

Regardless of style.


As long as the child is skillful and athletic she will do well


There is no sin in being able to put the ball down at your feet with one touch or opening up to the field correctly or having a great first touch or being able to hold the ball in tight spaces or being able to pass and shoot with both feet, or being able to one touch the ball or being able to shift out of pressure or knowing how to move without the ball and provide support. Know the difference between a proper tackle and strategy of containment.

if you can do this regardless of the style of play, your child is being taught skills.

If your child isn't being taught these skills then you are being sold a bill of goods.

i would venture that there are wildcat players that possess these skills and would be able to play in any system.

Soccer Nut







Soccer Nut

Anonymous said...

10:13

Depends on your definition of making it. Many will view that term diferently. Yes some of those will make the Nat teams with skill but not those who also can't play physical. Many will make it onto college teams where their style matches the coach and good for them. But many will get burnt out playing for losing teams as well, it's just human nature. Many will get on college teams that are used to winning with "American" soccer physicality and struggle. But don't get me wrong, what I would prefer to see in US soccer and the reality of what I watch weekly in youth and college games are different. I would prefer to watch my daughters team win with skill. Of course I get concerned when she plays school ball or against weaker teams who only seem to know how to hack. They have no problem making those teams regret that, but it's not what I would like to see. Here is where I do like ECNL philosophy of only playing teams from clubs that show respect for each other. And yes, not enough coaches teaching that style but they in turn have to win to keep parents happy and girls from not leaving, and sometimes just to keep there jobs. Many are also HS coaches where winning is the only priority. How do you change the entire nation's mentality? And no not a waste of time, if anything that's the direction where youth soccer needs to go. Unfortunately right now it's too limited.It's just going to be a rough road changing and I don't think our daughters are still going to be playing by the time we get to the end of it.

Anonymous said...

11:00

You don't know who my kid is then. Not only is she being taught "the game" but she is probably at an advantage over your daughter as mine is learning how to play it coping with the realities of soccer (esp in U.S. colleges) being a very physical game. Can your daughter execute all that skill with an elbow in her back? Can she stay in the game mentally if every time she touches the ball she's getting knocked on her butt? If she wants to succeed in college she better! And one more thing, will she still love the game in three years, and be willing to sacrifice friends, boys, most other activities to play at the highest level if her team continually lossing for the sake of "development"?

Anonymous said...

11:35

Is your daughter playing soccer or football? If she is getting knocked on her butt then she cant stay on the ball either.
Will your D want to play the game in college after going through boot camp with your club or will she say I dont want to do this for another 4 yrs?

Anonymous said...

11:19 making it will vary from child to child.

For some it's international soccer
For some it's WNT
For some it's another NT
For some it's youth WNT
For some it's NWSL
For some it's W-League or WPSL
For some it's D1 College
For some it's College ball
For Some it's High School Soccer
For some it's Youth Premier Soccer
For some it's town travel
for some it's rec soccer.

All are a success for the kid who reaches their top level which ever it may be.

What I was trying to say when I said make it - was for kids playing premier soccer now if any of them have the skills to play the way SNut and 11:00 said and they want to play college soccer they will make it. Unfortunately they are the minority.

Anonymous said...

11:49

Again you obviously don't know my daughter. Because she is used to playing against tough physical and yes dirty teams, she knows how to deal with it. Does yours? Or after playing finess keep away ball for years will college ball be an absolute shock to her? Again not in favor of that style, just stating the current reality. Truthfully her skill, quickness, and soccer IQ balanced with the fact she is not really what you would call a big girl, probably make her more suited to play with your kids team than most. And I'd bet her trophy collection you'd love having her.

Let me ask you this, if your daughters team doesn't win a league, a state cup, or a tournament for the next four years , will your daughter still want to go through the hard work for another four years?

Anonymous said...

Rule 1 - Dont talk about other people's daughters

Rule 2 needs to be dont talk about your own

Anonymous said...

12:29

My D's team will not play state cup nor will they probably win their league. I hope they do but not sure that will happen too many other good teams. As far as tourneys go you never know what will happen in a tourney setting but not holding my breath for her team to win another tourney. They do not play in many and do not play in easy ones.
Not sure what my D will do in 4 yrs but she will need to make a decision before that if she wants to play soccer in college. The landscape of girls committing to colleges is so early now a days. She will need that decision in 2 to 3 yrs probably. Do I know if she will choose to play, no idea. My gut says yes but we are talking about girls. I hope she does, I like watching her play. As I am sure most of us here do.

Anonymous said...

Some girls committing early doesnt mean she needs to decide early

Anonymous said...

12:41

You and I probably agree on far more than we disagree on. I would much rather watch a field full of Marta's than Abby Wambachs. And I would prefer every match my D plays in to be determined by skill not brutality. But that's not what I see In college so I'm am glad her team plays against physical teams. I know why you guys don't play state cup but I think it's a shame. Man the experience of playing for a state championship, even this young, is one they'll never forget. And tourney wins are pretty cool too for the girls. And I guess that's where I differ from some here, it's all about those life experiences right now. If she continues to work hard, the rest, nat teams, college, etc will work itself out.

Anonymous said...

12:38 Thanks for the rule update.. Can we still talk about people's Mothers?

Anonymous said...

Its no secret

skillful and underathletic player can get lost in the collegiate game

Anonymous said...

There is no reason a physical, tough p;layer can't also be skillful.
that is what we are trying to build in our players.
You need to be both.
Either one without the other is not going to get you to the next level.
It is not an either or scenario with our team.
If you watched us train you would understand.

Anonymous said...

3:03 we are talking about the game played today at the college level. Most schools play ugly soccer. Ask any person outside of the USA to watch a college game and they will turn it off in about a minute and say that's not soccer. We give it a chance because it's our kids.

USSF stepped in and and with the NCAA changed soccer to a Fall/Spring sport.

This will impact club teams also as college coaches will not be as available.

2:50 I think any skillful girl can play college soccer if they want. What is the "collegiate game" to you?
D1 Soccer Cup only?

What is a under athletic soccer player - I don't know what that is?

You think it's easy to run around and play the game for a full 90 minutes?

Every kid playing the game is athletic. Where are you going with this? Not trying to be a tool, just don't get it

Anonymous said...

If you watched us train you would understand.

Haha, really? Man, that sounds pompous, even if its true, it just sounds bad.

Anonymous said...

"If you watched us train you would understand".

I'm laughing now. I have this image that your team plays the them song to Rocky and they are throwing tires and practicing with tackle dummies, then the coach blows the whistle and they pick up soccer balls and start foot skill training.
What a joke.

Anonymous said...

3:59 have lots of friends from italy, eastern europe, colombia and some other south american countries. They won't even give MLS a chance, although they are starting to come around but that's where it stops. They say we don't have creative players just a bunch of robots running around the field, but those are my friends not everyone is like them.

I can't watch you train because I don't know who you are and that's okay. I know there are good coaches teaching the game and solid players that want to learn the game.

It just seems like there are to many that will sacrifice development (making mistakes when trying something "out of the box" to be creative) to play for a win and a state cup title or a national title at 13, 14 & 15.

Just my experience and my opinion like I said not trying to be a tool.

Anonymous said...

The first U14 TRYOUTS have been updated

MF ECNL/NENPL

April 28th
May 5th

Anonymous said...

Is anyone going?

Anonymous said...

No

Anonymous said...

8:34

Great.....Maybe my kid will have a better chance.

Anonymous said...

I have an honest question - how are girls making commitments and such to colleges at this age (or in a few years)? Don't NCAA rules prohibit recruiting untl spring or summer of ther HS junior year?

And no, this has nothing to do with my daughter, I am really just curious about how this whole process works when I hear of things like this.

Anonymous said...

If your daughter wants to receive any athletic scholarship money(even a partial athletic scholarship) to a D1 program, she will most likely have to verbally commit by the end of her sophomore year.
That is unfortunately the current reality in womens college soccer.
While verbal commits are not technically binding, in womens soccer(unlike mens basketball and football) college coaches usually all refuse to consider or recruit a student athlete who has verbally committed to another school.

Anonymous said...

So we get to try out for the team where those cool Dynamo Futsal Team girls and their parents play.We will all be there for sure!

Anonymous said...

The obsession of winning now at all costs is still keeping us way behind the soccer world. Too much money involved. Poster is correct when saying we have no creativity because if that player tries to be creative and costs that U13 team the game, they are scolded for it. Plain and simple to me why we cannot move forward.... We are the short sighted US soccer.

Anonymous said...

Honestly - I don't trust the organization. Would rather take my chances with WCFC. I don't like that Pda will have 24 girls - otherwise I would try that first.

Anonymous said...

10:44

That stuff is available pnline

4:06

You are peddling untruths about the end of soph year thing

But I do expect the "my daughter is going to commit as a soph" to replace "my daughter plays for ECNL" as the top brag in a few years.

Anonymous said...

And what will happen if your D can't make WCFC? Every organization has its down falls but what do you want for your D?

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