I think Crush would tell you, "lets take one year at a time"Obviously their player development is excellent, with talent going all over the map.
Certainly no better place to be at the younger ages.
If you have 3k plus to spend and like playing on cow pastures.
10:25Their player development is poor. The talented players leave because the trainers and club is an inferior product. They cater to the middle of the pack player. The most committed players become frustrated and seek a home where the club is more dedicated and have better track records.This is the first time I ever heard someone trying to flip the script and say the because their better talent is leaving they must be a good club.Did you you see their college commitment page. It speaks volumes to the talent level and training.- which of course is non existent
And does a walk on really count?
5 of the female players named NSCAA 1st team All-America are foreigners, 11 foreigners among the 3 All-American Teams .
3K or nothing, players develop themselves. A good teacher is of great benefit but can't make gold form lead. Players are born, not made.
I disagree, kids are born with their physical tools. They can watch youtube videos, play wall ball and juggle to a million all they want. They need good teachers to learn the skills needed to be a good player and then they need to learn how to interpret the game and understand the game only then can they become good players and without good teachers well good luck pal. Any soccer parent knows the type of coach their kid has by the way they play. They are 14 by know they should know to pass to the right foot, they should know the ball is faster than the player can ever be and they should know that it takes a team to win. If teams played to win by making the field smaller or just playing bombs away to use their physical tools well they will suffer now when teams start playing tactical. Because every player that wants to play at the highest levels has the physical tools, don't kid yourself the ones that learned how to play will have a HUGE advantage
11:58 I disagree- some kids are born very gifted - key word is some.I have 4 kids, 3 kids are extremely athletic. all very good in their sports that they play. My one kid that is not as athletic realized at a young age that she\he is not able to do what his brother and sisters are able to do. This kid works hard, every night does exercises, practices, goes 150% at every practice. after years of determination, my one child who is not as gifted ends up being the best athlete in our town for every sport he plays. My point is, a kid with work ethic will bypass any kid with skill that does not put forth the work to get better
11:58Thousands of players have been taught what you describe practice after practice after practice after practice. Only some of them seem to understand and execute these lessons. It's the player.
One thing all of you are forgetting is a players metal ability that is not taught it is a trait and desire to want to be a great player or athlete. You can have all the tools, training, physical nature but if your kids doesn't have the mental stability of being confidence and putting their heart to what they love then you can call it the day and just let them enjoy the sport with friends.
1:22 I like your approach on players mental aptitude when it comes to moving on to the next level. By U14, almost every team ends up with many really good athletes on it and personally speaking, teams that just rely on those athletes suffer from that age and onward. I not sure if great soccer players are just born, but I do think that great players are born (or at least raised) with a mindset that they want to be the best at everything.
Try playing multiple sports. If your child is great at all of them, she will do well. The athlete wins in the end, period.
148 Agree look at the Penn State Roster previously posted look how many multi-sport athletes were on it. Even with today being Abby Wambach's last game she admitted basketball helped be a better soccer player by helping her judge the ball in the air better.
Messi wasn't much of a basketball or football player but he found his footing in soccer.
Yes it is true that when you look at the roster, many players were multi sport players. But I bet if you looked deeper, they were soccer players first and that was their main sport, and they had great technical training early. Just watch a high school soccer game and its easy to pick out the athletes that do not play soccer full time. They are great at getting to the ball and then its totally downhill from there. On the boys side especially, it amazing how a fast soccer player can join in and play football at the high school level and be effective, but a football player that hasn't played soccer is totally reduced to a just kick it player. Girls athletes crossing over into soccer at a late age offer the same results.
Little different today than when Abby was a kid, and nobody is the next Abby. Very hard to play elite soccer and competitive basketball today at this age or older. 11, 12, 13, you can still do it.
6:29 Absolutely! Try convincing your HS basketball coach that you can't practice on Saturday because you have a fall or winter showcases through late November and into December. Even middle school basketball coaches that believe they have invented the game will bristle at players not being at every practice. Track coaches are a little more forgiving, often happy to have really fast players show up.
You are paying.You do not need to attend the showcase if you have basketball. You pick and you choose.
7:45 If you are a high school sophmore or junior, why would you not attend a showcase? Isn't that kind of the reason for putting all this work in for the last eight years? I love seeing my kid play basketball and fully appreciate that everyone needs to be at practice, but the reality is that no one is coming to watch my kid play basketball. Of course the choice has to lie with the player, but times have change from when we were a teenagers playing three sports. Even high school coaches battle one another for players, just ask girls field hockey, volleyball and soccer coaches who players play in the same season (same with boys football and soccer).
Anyone's kid get an invite to the USTC NE Combine?
One showcase is just ONE chance for coaches to see your daughter.Do you have any idea what school she wants to attend - or are you just going to see who shows interest and cones across with some $$?I couldnt get over the kids that skipped their state final to showcase. Mind boggling.
I don't think 2016 combine invites went out yet.
1:58 Why is it mind boggling? They elected to do something else, what's wrong with that?
1:58 We're not talking about skipping a State Final for a showcase, I'm talking about missing a couple Saturday practices to makes showcases that a junior needs to be at. Let me know what B-ball coach is even willing to accept that? Most players, especially ones on the fringe, know their chances are few and need all the exposure they can get. And if a player is serious and the parents are too, then players should absolutely know what coaches are at the showcase they are heading too. Letting the coaches know what field they are playing and at what time. If you have ever been to the sod farm complex in NJ for a U17 and U18 showcase, then you know what I'm talking about. As many as five coaches watching one game in the coaching area, and players hoping to have a "wow" moment and catch their eye. Doesn't happen if they are at a Saturday practice. Skipping a state final does sound crazy and no way I would allow my kid to disrespect the school, players and themselves by doing that. But what if your not one of the starters? Maybe then?
5:06 I like everything you said except "I would allow my kid to disrespect the school, players and themselves by doing that".So disrespecting their soccer team/players/families is okay? If they are a impact or core player they are a huge part of how the team showcases itself when it's needed the most for some players.Conflicts will happen if you play more than one sport - that's why I asked my kid to pick one. It's not fair to whoever comes in second the coach/players/parents as they count on your kid being part of the team. It's not like when I was a kid fall was one sport and spring was another- now sports are 12 months and conflicts will occur. But to each their own.
We have our 1st 15/16 National ChampionSuper Y League 2015 Finals1 MIDWEST UNITED FC 02 ROYAL0 CYA Soccer Premier--------------------------------The Super Y champ has their way at Jefferson Cup last year.5:3 PDA DRAGONS (NJ)4:1 1776 UNITED XTREMES (PAE)5:0 PA CLASSICS ACADEMY 01 (PAE)
6:37 I'm sorry. Meant to say "I wouldn't allow my kid". That was a really bad typo on my part. You are completely right about anyone that would disrespect their school and team.
You're showing the U15 champ (listed as U14 because that's what they were last summer when the league played).The Super Y Champ for girls in this age group, ie, current U14s / born after Aug. 1, 2001, is Long Island Rough Riders, which beat another NYC team, SABA NYC, 4-0 for the championship.Congrats to those teams but Super Y is still a joke.
Not to mention giving props to those three teams. 1776 played Galaxy and STA Morris NPL to get their wins and then reality struck when they play a better team. PAC went 1-1-1 with 4 goals scored and gave up 6. As for the Ajax, don't they always do a little better when those mysterious guest players arrive? But give them credit, they did get to the finals before losing to WC. Does the Y in Super Y stand for Yawn?
I was showing U14http://sylsoccer.com/schedules/2015Finals/81085473.html
MIDWEST UNITED FC 02AKA GRAND RAPIDS CREW JUNIORSBeat 1776 & PAC two of PA's better teams 9-1They Tied and beat the 2 NorthEast girl NPL teams 7-5
Sorry you are correct forgot Super Y is already birth year.
Just goes to show you how bad 1776 and PA classics are. Imagine how bad those teams are that those two teams beat. But it was a lower bracket they both we're in, so its to be expected. Wildcats the only F1 NJ team worth mentioning at Jeff and Bethesda. Previous poster right on the money with saying Super Y is a joke.
2:50, I disagree with you, and you are a dickhead.
Since PDA Storm is going to Jeff Cup It's a good bet Ajax won't apply.
Ajax has 1 single player that is registered with them and plays for Storm. She must be quite the player to generate the talk on here. It is more realistic that they are simply 13 year old girls that just aren't consistent. Good days and bad days. My daughters team has played them a few times and I have seen both the good and bad.
7:07 Try to not make yourself look so foolish by being a mouthpiece. Isn't kind of strange to see players during league play and different ones at a tournament? I will give PDA credit for at least letting their teams play in tournaments with non ecnl teams.
Yes, only one Ajax player plays with the Storm, but Storm and Dragons players play with Ajax routinely when needed to get wins. I think this fall we have seen what Ajax can do without help...
Storm and Dragon players with AJAX. Lol! Where do you come up with this?
Many times Storm players have played for Ajax at tournaments, that has been going on for years, but Dragons players do not play with Ajax.
The ignorance is comical.
HehWay to shut em up, 8:58
6:15 is right about the ignorance being comical. For the Ajax parents to pay those fees and not have a chance of their girls making the parent club is a joke. Its like going through four years of HS ball and never making the varsity.
The Ajax players are not eligibile to play for PDA Storm no matter if they are good enough as long as the 2 Rutgers coaches are working with the Storm Team.they live too far from Rutgers Campus. With all the recent scandals within the Athletic Department at Rutgers and the football and basketball coaching scandals and now even the Athletic Director being fired it seems the PDA club and the Rutgers Coaches are no longer flouting the NCAA rules.
2 months and change to Manhattan Classic. Which teams are in? Do we see East Meadow? Will South Shore or NEFC come down? Anyone from further away than that?
Why would anyone want to see East Meadow?
Um the Ajax players may not be able to train with the PDA Storm coaches due to NCCA Rules but whom is to say they haven't trained with other coaches among the PDA ranks up north. The Calendar shift or playing up is very likely path now to be pulled up North.
Sure - if they are '02s they might get a shotBut then again the '02/'03 pre ECNL PDA team is nails. So tough for '02sTo think that Ajax players are "mixing in" with the '01s from Storm and the '01s from Splash is silly. But you never know
So you knock PDA for promoting girls from AJAX and Dragons to Storm and then criticize them for not promoting girls from AJAX and Dragons.
PDA North is going to be in a good shape. They will take players from South and Shore that they want plus they have two strong teams up north per age already. PDA will continue to be in the NJ top 3 at '02, '01 and '00 with what they currently have if they don't add. The players they take will need to upgrade their current roster depth players. So if they add they will only improve even more.
4:31 No one is saying that Ajax players are mixing in with Storm players, its obvious Storm players only come in from outside clubs. But Storm players do join in with Ajax at tournaments, and again there is nothing wrong with that either. It give Storm players that don't get great minutes a chance to shine. It also give current Ajax players an understanding of what it takes to reach the next level.
And those players give Ajax Team a chance to win some games at tournaments.
Haven't I read on this blog that at least 6 players came to Storm from AJAX and Dragons this year?
Must have been another PDA lie to help the recruiting efforts at AJAX and Dragons.
Its not a lie. It was the six players that tried to helped Ajax in a couple tournaments during the spring. After the weekend was over they came back. PDA is above spreading propaganda for the sake of recruitment, their tryout numbers do not need that kind of help.
Maybe those 6 players helped Dragons?
Is the Manhattan Classic the tournament that keeps getting canceled every year?
PDA above spreading propaganda? Wow Pinocchio your nose is really growing!You PDA people really think that we parents are really stupid if you think we beleive that BS.Storm Assistant Coach is on this site daily.
It is a known fact that PDA forbids coaches to be on here and discourages parents from doing so.
Believe what 10:14?
It is a known fact? I don't think so. That was a long time ago. Notice there is no longer the PDA disclaimer posted about that(rememeber "PDA discourages parents from posting on blog").PDA Storm Assistant/Parent Coach is on here regularly defending PDA Club. You need to get up to snuff 10:47. That policy may have been true at one time but that ship has sailed.
You talk nonsense 8:35. Why all the hate for PDA? There are no clubs that have a perfect reputation. Some are closer than others though.
: PDA North has approx 70 kids at tryouts for approx 40 spots.: Approx 30 kids not offered a spot every year.: Impact players are always taken: Core players from other teams are taken to replace current roster depth: Players always know where they stand top, middle or bottom 3rd each season: Bottom 3rd is your signal to have a plan B for next season: 4 ECNL players can play for a NPL team in the rules: 5 can play as guest players at most tournaments : Some parents will be happy: Some parents will not be happy: Every club doesn't want their parents talking smack on a boardSome PDA Facts that are similar to most high level clubs:So why hate? Because they say they don't bring their A list to tournaments?At this age 22 players can be rostered for the event but only 18 per game.Our own NT didn't bring their A list to the last game vs China. They lost does that make China better? Maybe since it bothers people when ECNL parents say the same thing. If you read this board maybe since we only beat China 1-0 at the World Cup with our A list they are now better than us.
They don't bring their A list to tournaments? What are you talking about.The only complaint was that they stack Ajax with playes from Storm for tournaments so they can make better showing. No one said Storm brings anything but their best when atteending a F1 major event.Storm has NEVER taken less than their best to F1 in highly competitive tournament.They go to EDP Cup and the like to let "bench " players get their time, or let them go to tournament with Ajax. Nice try though. Is that an attempt to get out in front of possible poor performance by Storm since they are finally stepping out of ECNL cocoon to play Jeff Cup?Will we hear "We didn't bring our strongest team" if they bomb out and don't advance?
Hit the nail on the head there 1:42. 12:47's post answers his own question about why the hate. Just tired of posts telling us how great your club is while hedging your bets in case the teams performance does not match the rhetoric. If you want to make those claims"impact players always taken", "70 more players than we can take always show up at tryouts", "30 players turned away every year".then don't complain when you don't perform and you are called out for it.Stop with the tired excuses and we didn't really try or we don't care. Truth is with all those advantages you claim there is no excuse when your teams lose to those clubs working with much less when you match up.
1:42 & 1:49 so then you agree with me that China is better than our USA? We can't make excuses about it being Wombach's last game since we only beat this team 1-0 at the World Cup (F1)?I wasn't complaining my shot was more at the USSF and the possible future a head of us after as more of the golden year girls go away funny how you took it as a Storm defense. I said PDA facts similar to most high level clubs. I never once said Storm. So does China have a better NT than ours or are they equal to us? we beat them 1-0 they beat us 1-0. Going by your argument we can't say we are better even though all you had to do is watch both games and you know this isn't a debate. But the FACTS are we are 1-1 vs them and that's all you guys care about the results right?
The argument with your post was with your statement that they don't bring their A Team to tournaments. that is incorrect. They stack each team as best they can for F1 majors. No argument with fact that USA didn't play their best vs China.
12:47 Its obvious that you are a coach and the last part of your post really is kind of silly. PDA's numbers at tryouts and its ability to put out a great product with its top team is really not in question and certainly not affected by the talk on this board. But everyone on here is tired of the PDA posters trying to have it both ways when their teams don't show well at tournaments (which happens a lot). When PDA wins its because of how superior the training is, but a loss is due to not playing the top players. So if PDA heads to Jeff Cup, I guess we should say now that the top players will not be playing?
2:58 obvious you say? yeah and GS 4 Life = GotSoccer 4 life and not GoodSoccer 4Life? Okay you win you are mr know it all PDA stinks maybe I should have said STA instead of PDA then you have cracked on STA right?: STA has approx 70 kids at tryouts for approx 35 spots.: Approx 35 kids not offered a spot every year.: Impact players are always taken: Core players from other teams are taken to replace current roster depth: Players always know where they stand top, middle or bottom 3rd each season: Bottom 3rd is your signal to have a plan B for next season: NPL players can guest for EDP team at most tournaments : Some parents will be happy: Some parents will not be happy: Every club doesn't want their parents talking smack on a boardSo does this hold true? Also facts from google, I guess I must be an STA coach now.
Okay my gift to you guys that didn't like PDA / USWNT compareYour Non-Official Spring flights Girls U14 1st Division South PHWM SC PUMAS (MD)SEVP BLACK THUNDER (MD)PIPELINE BLACK (MD)PENN LEGACY FC 01 BLACK (PAE)HFC READY '01 (PAE)RAGE SC '01 ATHLETICA (PAE)CESC CALVERT CREW WHITE (MD)1776 UNITED FC XTREME (PAE)Girls U14 1st Division CentralNJ WILDCATS GALAXY (NJ)NEW JERSEY RUSH 01 GIRLS BLUE (NJ)*** SJEB '01G NPL (NJ)*** LEHIGH VALLEY UNITED LVU 01 GIRLS (PAE)PDA SHORE FUSION (NJ)REAL SOUNDERS (NJ)UKRAINIAN NATIONALS BLASTERS BLACK (PAE)WALL SC WAVE (NJ)STA MORRIS UNITED NPL 01 (NJ)Girls U14 1st Division North *** ALLEYCATS ELITE NEKO 01/02-NPL (NYE)GPS NJ FLASH (NJ)*** NJ WILDCATS AVERBUCH-NPL (NJ)*** NJCSA ELITE (NJ)*** TSF ACADEMY 01/02G (NJ)SOUTH CENTRAL PREMIER SPIRIT (CT)BEACHSIDE SC CT BEACHSIDE (CT)RAMAPO VALLEY SC TORNADOS '02 (NYE)HBC SPARK (NYE)Girls U14 2nd Division NorthSABA BROOKLYN CITY (NYE)*** JERSEY UNITED SOCCER SPARTANS 01/02G NPL (NJ)LAGRANGE RAGE (NYE)SDFC SAMBA (NJ)PERFECT TOUCH SA GIRLS 01-02 (NYE)THISTLE COMETS (NJ)NJ STALLIONS ACADEMY TEMPEST (NJ)STA MORRIS UNITED 01 (NJ)Girls U14 2nd Division Central *** FC COPA ACADEMY G01 NPL LIMA (NJ)*** NEW JERSEY RUSH 01 GIRLS GREY (NJ)MERCER FC SPURS (NJ)STATEN ISLAND UNITED HOTSHOTS (NYE)JERSEY SHORE BOCA JR FC FUSION (NJ)OCEAN TOWNSHIP UNITED SA HURRICANES (NJ)HAMILTON ELITE FC - ACADEMY AVALANCHE (NJ)UPPER 90 FURY (PAE)HADDONFIELD SC LIGHTNING (NJ)Girls U14 2nd Division South BETHESDA STORM 01 (MD)SAC PREMIER BLUE (MD)PIPELINE SC RED (MD)PHILADELPHIA SC COPPA BLUE STORM (PAE)*** MD RUSH MONTGOMERY RUSH '01G (MD)WASHINGTON UNITED FEVER '02 (NJ)SAC PREMIER WHITE (MD)ALLIANCE SC ARSENAL (MD)LTSC STRIKERS 01/02 (PURPLE) (MD)MONTGOMERY BLAZE WHITE (MD)*** NPL Teams
PDA depth is not as good as many opponents best 111That is the only point that needs to be taken from all thisIts not so surprising. Players would rather not deal with ECNL if they wont play regularly, even if given some extra minutes in showcases.
And in other news, Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead.
4:26 I would agree with that any team's roster depth/core players are not as good as other's impact/core players. I don't think any would argue that - but I'm willing to bet it's not more than a 1 maybe 2 goal game. Which tells me they are pretty good and on any given day they could win.I also agree players would rather not deal with that BUT parents WOULD DEF NOT PAY 2k to sit more than play at this age. No arguments here any your point is taken. But to say they are not the best u14 team in state is crazy talk. Sounds like you have seen every team play and besides your kid's team who plays better than they do? I didn't say wins more, I said plays better?Tell me you liked my EDP spring gift though even if we don't agree. Say something positive
PDA will bring their best 14 to the Jeff cup. The next 4 will be interchangeable with any other 4 not attending.They will try to win but they will give 15 to 18 more opportunity to play more minutes.If they lose, it will be a legit lose based on their best effort.PDA Storm is a very good solid team with missing pieces in the middle and at the forward position.They will be ranked as a top 5 regional team but their mission statement is to be a top national team - ranked somewhere between 1and 3. They are not their yet. They may get there.
Nice try 3:58 but we know you are the PDA asistant coach.All you did was substitute STA for PDA in your last post. And really STA was struggling to field enough players right out of the box this fall so a very lame comparison indeed.And now Storms depth is not as good as the others best 11?Seriously not 1 month ago you were claiming your B and C Teams were as good as others best 11.
Dude, you sure I'm not with Crush? that's who this board thought i was with a few days ago. From Dec 14th - "I would agree with others, GS4 life dude does sound a lot like the crush backer too."Now I sound like a PDA coach, great, who am I next?
I am hoping those brackets are not true, there are going to be some really lopsided scores in at least of the brackets, where two teams will dominate the rest of the field.
5:59 I have to be careful how I phrase this so I don't lumped in with another team. Since you care so much about who the posters are with. 8:12 I have said for a few years now that EDP should scrap this north/central/south thing, the teams picked them so they can get high quality games not save a dime on gas. If they wanted that they would still be in JAGS/PAGs. They want the best. I used the teams in their d1 flights for the below re-work.F1 NPL - champion Advances if not NPL the the next best NPL team.pro/rel 2 teams each flight.1. *** ALLEYCATS ELITE NEKO 01/02-NPL (NYE)2. *** LEHIGH VALLEY UNITED LVU 01 GIRLS (PAE)3. *** NJCSA ELITE (NJ)4. *** NJ WILDCATS AVERBUCH-NPL (NJ)5. *** SJEB '01G NPL (NJ)6. *** TSF ACADEMY 01/02G (NJ)7. 1776 UNITED FC XTREME (PAE)8. CESC CALVERT CREW WHITE (MD)9. PENN LEGACY FC 01 BLACK (PAE)10. STA MORRIS UNITED NPL 01 (NJ)F2 1. HBC SPARK (NYE)2. HFC READY '01 (PAE)3. NJ WILDCATS GALAXY (NJ)4. NEW JERSEY RUSH 01 GIRLS BLUE (NJ)5. PDA SHORE FUSION (NJ)6. RAMAPO VALLEY SC TORNADOS '02 (NYE)7. REAL SOUNDERS (NJ)8. UKRAINIAN NATIONALS BLASTERS BLACK (PAE)F31. BEACHSIDE SC CT BEACHSIDE (CT)2. PHWM SC PUMAS (MD)3. SEVP BLACK THUNDER (MD)4. PIPELINE BLACK (MD)5. RAGE SC '01 ATHLETICA (PAE)6. WALL SC WAVE (NJ)7. GPS NJ FLASH (NJ)8. SOUTH CENTRAL PREMIER SPIRIT (CT)
9:44 can you please submit your brackets to EDP. That would be much better for all teams involved
Any teams communicating about the age transition? We have heard it's happening but no details from DOC.
Nope, and my kid is 2002, and its a problem, she plays on a split team of 01’s and 02’s, and the girls who are 02’s and playing on the u13 team are not exactly YNT material, not sure what to do, we love the club, but she wants to play HS in the fall.
Yes the birth year switch is a go. If over 50% of Region 1 clubs are starting 2016-17, there's really not much choice...
I think most teams at this age will ride out the last few years and play up. The larger clubs like MF, PDA and WC, will make a clean cut and heavily discourage playing up, everyone will want to and the clubs will make it very difficult.
U15 - Born in 2002U16 - Born in 2001I hear most clubs will decide how many kids are playing up but this is mostly due to roster numbers. I fear some existing U14 teams will disappear...
Other than for the competition why would anyone play up? Playing in your age group with most girls in your grade is a way to stand out.
Some ECNL clubs will not have players playing up (PF being one of them). 02's that are already struggling for minutes would really be at a disadvantage. Many parents are assuming that just because their 02 daughter is playing well, that they will be able to play up. They are discounting the ability of the 01's that are playing U15 now and will be part of the U16's next year. Parents that think if they keep their teams together and ignore the BYC, are in for a rude awakening.
FWIW, I hear FCV is planning to keep theirECNL team together next year. As good as they are, I don't think they can hang with a top team of all 01s.
PF already has a few 02's playing up! If they are able to compete then why move down. I say if a kid is able to play and get quality minutes you continue playing up. You don't push a kid down to JV squad just because she isn't a Jr. or Sr. Come on we are talking about majority of the girls parents on this blog will in HS anyway competing against older girls anyway it's only the few born Nov,Dec that will be still in 8th grade. So don't make statements unless you know the facts.
3:16 has the gist of it.PF has a one 2002 on the current U14 team that plays up (proper age U13) and one 2002 who plays up on the current U15 team (proper age U14). My guess is the current U14 player will play proper age next year with the 2002s, while the current U15 player will continue to play up with the 2001s next year.Playing up is definitely available at PF for certain players.
If players are truly playing up now and they are top half on a team, chances are they will continue. A 2002 playing u14 currently will be like all the rest. The 2002 playing u15 is what I consider playing up. If she is top on the team, she should continue. Very few girls on the top teams truly play up. i would consider an 03 playing this age group playing up.
what dribble.It depends on the context of the competition . Next year if you are an 02 playing up for PDA at the 01 level you are a significant player.
If a 02 player is currently playing at U15 vs. 00's & 01's then she must be quality and for her to move down and play U15 again next year will not benefit her. As she is most likely will be a Freshman looking for the advantage and play with a Sophomores. 3:16 has the right concept it's not only the year change many of us have to worry next year but graduated class. If your club has majority of Freshman's born 00/01 moving as U16 than the 01's will mostly want to be seen with the graduating 2019 class.
4:33 just one correction if any team has players born in '00 they will be u17 not u16 - '01s will be u16 and '02s will be u15.I agree about the the 01's they will mostly be seen as the graduating 2019 class which will benefit the 2020 01s.
4:33 my bad I misread your post.I agree
3:16 You are talking about two players and only one which is a definite. We were originally talking about whole teams trying to stay together. Your little Susie will still be able to play U15 next year, so don't get your panties in a bunch. If PF is going to let a 02 play up as a U16, its going to be on the offensive side. Are you the same parent that declared PF had the same amount of 02's as 01's on their U14 team in a post awhile back? You should try to talking to the other parents on the team once in a while, instead of being all pissed of and complaining in your small circle (very small) of friends. Then you would at least know about your own team.
One thing PF does not have to worry about is the keeper position. They have two very good ones right now. Saw them play this fall and both girls were very good, different styles, but very good. Had to be though as their outside defenders were exposed constantly and kept giving up outside runs.
Penn Fusion getting beat up tonight. Someone got up on the wrong side of the bed.
I think its 50/50. Some good, some bad. PF's U16 team will be dominant next year.
8:38 glad you're not a parent on my kids team. You sound like quite the asshole.
Poster is likely the former PF parent of an 02 who took his kid to CFC when the club wouldnt kiss his butt enough and let his kid play up. Now his kid plays for a crap team. Great move although it definitely was appreciated by some.
Funny to read all these assumptions about next year. My kid is an older 02. I'm ok with it. She's a great player and next year she'll be a great leader. One thing for sure, tryout season will be very eventful. The younger 01's will have the toughest time with the transition.
Any updated information about the possibility of girls getting a DA?
Sounds like you have a divide in your current team, 12:51"The '01s will have trouble......"Not getting along with some of the other families?Hope you get through the spring without incident.
A girls DA is still in Talks, I think the biggest obstacle is how much of the MLS clubs will have ties into the program. It will most likely happen as they know it will be a big draw in overall funding if the girls side started a DA even if it's the ECNL league converting to it.
Can US soccer please get some top notch competence in charge if they intend to start and operate a big new program? Not too impressed with the launch of the new age change regulations.
10:01 Totally Agree! Don't publish or change anything if the program doesn't give a straight forward direction and action plan with expectations and positive outcomes.
9:55 Time for your annual eye doctor appointment.
Any Jeff Cup early flight leaks?
11:16 No appt needed. Played them twice and got to see keepers twice and they both played great. Center backs and holding mid was solid also. What more you want me to say? One keeper instructs more than the other one but not as athletic. Obviously when they play better teams the offense struggles and so do the outside defenders, especially since they are not as fast as the attackers. But this is problematic with most teams, not just PF. But PF's talent up the middle is equal to anyone's.
12:51 here. More assumptions. Gotta love it! I'm not even with that team nor was I even talking specifically about them. Sorry to unstir that pot.
Yep definitely someone trying to stir something up. Boredom?
The USSF guidance is pretty clear at this point. Now it up to the state associations to implement it. The problem is because there is so much interstate play, PA, NJ, NY, MA, etc. all need to coordinate their decisions regarding the switch to birth year. In contrast, Cal South has already mandated the birth year change for next year and has most of the age groups playing on the 2017-mandated size fields/player numbers. But they can do that because, by and large, Cal South teams only play other Cal South teams in league play.The tryout process for next year's teams has already begun for Cal South teams. Not sure why the northeast states are dragging their feet.
That's what I was thinking when I read it. Sounds like one of goalies parents trying to discourage any other goalies from coming to tryouts.Can't see a girls DA coming about this year. Maybe next.
Both of the PF goalies are solid. Not sure if they still play for these clubs, but I've always felt that the best PA goalies in this age group were at PL, HMMS, and 1776 (this keeper has since moved on to Lower Merion). Continental also has one very good keeper.
PL's goalie will put any other goalie in PA out of a job.
1:16 Well that's a big question do Goalie's need ECNL league. In my opinion I think a goalie will really stand out and get notice more by going to collegiate camps where they see enough repetitions to see what they can do. They will attend the games just see vocal side of a goalie. So I'm not sure being on a top ECNL team will benefit a goalie at all where she will see 3-4 shots a game. My 2 cents anyone else have a different opinion.
A keeper just needs the balls to prove herself
1:16 -- True words.
No, a keeper proves herself by crushing balls, and forwards.
So PAC and PF's goalies should be worried? Is she an 01 or 02?
How is a girl's DA financed? Is it by the player's families?
The DA will probably not be financed right away and still be pay to play. It will most likely be an upper branch of the ECNL league for those clubs that have a boys and girls DA program in the club, that's what I've heard in rumor mill. If you look at the boys DA and match up the girls ECNL clubs you will notice there are many clubs already tied on both sides.
Where are the goalies from at the U.S. Training centers?
PL GK is an '02 I agree with 1:20 not sure a GK needs ECNL to stand out.
DA is by definition pay to play and on the boys side Matchfit has already been removed for not be able to adhere to free play on boys Da side. ECNL ios a money maker and no way are the ECNL clubs all going to start letting those kids all play for free.Like the boys side the Girls DA will need sponsors.
PL and HMMS are two of the goalies at the training centers. I believe both are 02's. Not sure where the other there is from.
If its pay to pay who cares. It will be same well off athletes that currently have access to high level youth competition.
Classic keeper is an 01. Saw her at the with the NTC team as well. Does not have the leg strength of the HMMS or PL keeper, but comes off her line better than either of them. PF keepers are far better at distribution than any of the above mentioned. It will be cool to see where this dedicated group ends up in five years. Each one of them has their strengths and weaknesses, although this is one area where height actually matters.
Anyone know where their coach will go with transition? What team will mike o take at PDA, 03 or 02?What about other teams?
PAC goalie was only at NTC for a short term. PL and HMMS goalies have been with NTC for 2 years now, I believe.
Heard NH 01, MO 02, LH 03
And others to. MF, sta, WCFC, crush? If mike takes one age group, who takes the other? I hope he takes the 01, I have an 02 moving and don't like the huge rosters. I know we will be moving and coaches have a ton to do with decision, especially at non ecnl clubs.
MAPS 2016 SPRING CHALLENGE [GIRLS]3/5/2016-3/6/201654---Real NJSC Sounders (NJ)58---Jersey Premier Soccer Flash (NJ)392--New Jersey Rush 01G Grey (NJ)912--Lower Merion SC Herricanes (PAE) 1192-Soccer Assn of Columbia Premier White (MD) 1683-LDC United Crew 01-02 (PAE)3028-New Jersey Rush 01G Black (NJ)
NEFC just announced their partnership with Boston Breakers tonight. Academy coming....
Very Interesting - The partnering organizations will be co-branded NEFC-Breakers and All Elite teams will play as the Boston Breakers Academy and serve as a bridge between the youth program and the college, reserve and professional squads. So NEFC Elite is now the ECNL or NorthEast Girls NPL team which ever they are the current ECNL team will either remain or become the NPL team?
Another great club goes the way of the encl..i wonder what they know that some on here don't.ECNL -not the only way just the easy way
The true Academies on the Girls side are.NWSL1. Boston Breakers2. Chicago Red Stars3. FC Kansas City4. Houston Dash5. Orlando Pride6. Portland Thorns FC7. Seattle Reign FC8. Sky Blue FC9. Washington Spirit10. Western New York FlashPossible Expansion:Real Salt Lake of MLS, Indy Eleven of NASLPittsburgh Riverhounds of USL ProAtlantaCalifornia - joint effort from the LA Strikers and Pali BluesHartford, ConnecticutSeattle Sounders Women of MLSVancouver Whitecaps Women of MLSToronto FC of MLSUWS to provide a true second division beneath the NWSL. 1. New England Mutiny2. Lancaster Inferno3. Laval Comets4. Long Island Rough Riders5. New York Magic6. North Jersey Valkyries7. Quebec Dynamo ARSQ8. New Jersey Copa FC.
11:32. NEFC did not announce they were going ECNL. Just setting up for the DA by partnering with the Breakers Pro team.
No 6:31 the exact comment was "All Elite teams will play as the Boston Breakers Academy" so for our age group NEFC ELITE U14 GIRLS (1st Place New England NPL) = Boston Breakers Academy NEFC PREMIER NORTH U14 GIRLS (1st Place NEP) = NEFC BreakersBut they already have the belowBoston Breakers Academy ECNL U14 (2nd Place)Boston Breakers Academy 01 NPL (5th Place)They have a very solid ECNL and NorthEast Girl NPL opening the door for Oakwood in the NewEngland NPL
To take it one step further all NEFC elite teams will become ECNL since FC Boston not very strong besides our age group.Maybenew ECNL teams -NEFC Elite teamsold ECNL teams - NorthEast Girls NPLBrings back the conversation from the beginning of the season why would Breakers leave ECNL for NEFC - I guess we have our answer now
Have heard rumors of some consolidation in NJ as well. ECNL pushing this because they are leary of adding clubs and diluting the quality. Bottom tier clubs especially were encouraged to find partners. Was told I would know more by end of January. NEFC/Breakers alliance creates a powerhouse.
8:36, not how it works. ECNL teams will be a combination of both clubs best players.
9:17of course that will be the case. Nefc and current ECNL boston will combine for a great team.
Heard that STA and Crush were merging, new club will be called Stush F.C!I like it.
August-December 01s have been playing at a lower level than the older 01s and 00s against whom they will have to compete for spots and play-time. Their development is, on the whole, behind. This phenomenon has been playing out for years at ODP where the August-December kids have struggled against the older kids, not necessarily because of size and physical maturation, but often because of the extra year of soccer developmental advantage. Thoughts?
10:58 - Agree completely. My daughter is Feb 02. Made her a stronger and smarter player no question. When you are forced to compete even as you give up a size advantage, then when that size advantage disappears you are in a way better spot.
Yes and Happy holidays.While there is some speed advantage to playing up if you are a first and second quarter 01 player. Your argument holds water when you compare the average player to the average player in both age groups. Fortuneltly in real life each player is different and I can take any number of great quality u14 players and play them against u15 players ( even on an ECNL team and the outcome of quality will vary depending on the specific player.So when we talk about the younger 01's being behind on average, In real life, the tryouts are about specific players and the cream will rise to the top no matter what age group the player(S) played in during current year.Soccer Nut
All good and true comments. Merry Xmas!!Soccer nut...your predictions on DA? 2016-17 season?
Who is NH at PDA?
I have heard of possible DA but my belief is that it's a bit further down the road.Where there is great amounts of money to be made or lost, the wheel tends to turn slowly until major players with a vested interest are satisfied.Soccer Nut
Anyone know who is taking over the 02 team at wcfc?
There is no money to support a DA like they have on the boys side, and really no need. The ECNL is the de facto DA and I agree with Nut, don't see that changing right now.
Like the "Soccer Nuts" comments regarding younger 01's moving up to U16. Add to the fact that by 14 years old, many girls are not grabbing to much more size. Those that have worked on their skill set and are polished will show well regardless. Being fast is great, being fast with the ball and your decisions will get noticed whether they are an younger 01 or not.Question for you soccer guru's. Two players show up at tryouts, both have a very similar skill set and roughly the same speed and size. One is a Feb 01 and the other is a Nov 01, which does the coach pick?
You pick the younger player because presumably they are not playing as close to their ceiling as the older player. More potential for improvement.
took the bait....There is always something that will set one player aside from the other. No - birth month wouldnt enter into it.
I would go with the younger player as well. But poster is right about there is usually something defining about each player. When it is a toss up concerning players that are that close in physical ability and talent, coaches will often look over to the sideline to see which parent is easier to deal with.
5:00, you are beyond stupid bro, you need help.
I can't believe 5:00 wrote that and thought to himself "this is really funny stuff". Pretty amazing.
Yeah, I can believe it, I have lost faith in the human race, 5:00 is a perfect example of loneliness, must of lost his kids in the divorce.
12/23 @ 10:58. Very insightful comment. My daughter was shocked at ODP being the only 8th grader on a field filled with 9th graders. Non-super stars will lose out 3 ways with the BYC. 1) older players will be more developed physically 2) older players will have an extra year of playing experience 3) older player will be more acclimated to a faster pace of play. The good news is that colleges are still tied to the school year cycle.
So the big question to all is that does the calendar change really matter your daughter at this age group now or do look for a squad with more girls graduating the same year. I can see the change impacting the younger levels but we are at point now the may rather play with girls graduating the same time.
4:14 I agree I don't think it matters for the kids,but the teams are a different story. U14 teams moves up to u16 that is the big difference a team in f1 now that stays together with half 02s might never see a top flight again.
I think the key effect of the change to birth year might be more players trying out for multiple teams.From there the ball is in the hands of the coaches to choose. Then the trickle down happens, players either getting first, second, even third choice of teams.Only advice I'd give is dont try out with a team that you have no chance of being happy with. Waiting, especially given the player will be joining their HS team, may not be so bad.
Merry Xmas all. In NJ spring EDP preliminary flights, Wall promoted to D1, Boca, Copa and Spurs relegated to D2.
As clubs pick teams, they will definitely give consideration to the kids who are born 8/1-12/31. In most cases those kids will have spots, especially if they are coachable and the parents are not trouble makers.
Merry Christmas ECNL! The best league.
Merry Christmas to all this morning. May where ever yourself and family members travel today be a safe one and the memories of this Christmas be great ones. And may all you dads get at least one present you really want.PL Parent
Does beating Penn Legacy count as an official gift? If so, sign me up Santa.
Now there's some Christmas Spirit. Not sure if the elves can gift wrap that.
I don't think boca will be relegated, they beat us and many other Division one teams in last year. Division one parent
Agreed. Boca's play really improved as the season went on. Even when behind they kept working the ball whenever possible and not just trying to clear it. Seemed like they had a good coach.
Boca coach may be a fool in that regard, but he does do a good job as a coach. They entered into a tough league last fall and started out taking some big lumps, but steadily improved as they went deeper into league play. That's the sign of a coach able to keep his players heads up even after some tough losses. They will be even stronger this spring.
10:16 maybe that's true but If I amto believe this board - why would players for NJCSA NPL if Boca is such a good place? That tells me the opposite.My late gift to this board as we wait for the Jefferson listBelow are the top 2 flights and how the teams did using Jefferson pt scale for every game played.Championship35 - FC Virginia ECNL U1428 - Cincinnati United16 - Penn Fusion ECNL09 - NJ Wildcats Averbuch-NPL09 - Penn Legacy09 - Tri-State FA Elite06 - Braddock Road YC 01 Elite05 - Calvert-Elite SC CREW WhiteElite32 - Midwest United FC Royal32 - World Class FC '01 ECNL23 - 1776 United FC Xtreme23 - Bethesda SC Express ECNL 0122 - PDA Ajax21 - CFC Arsenal Sky16 - PWSI Courage 01G Red14 - STA Morris United NPL 0113 - FC Carolina Alliance Green13 - New York SC G0113 - PA Classics Academy 0113 - FC United Academy12 - Cleveland FC Royal10 - Maryland United FC 01-ECNL09 - YMS Banshees08 - PDA North NPL Dragons06 - Richmond United ECNL U1405 - Carolina Rapids 01 Burgundy G05 - NJ Crush FC Tsunami 01 NPL00 - NJ Wildcats Galaxy
Thanks for the list. Need to correct the Wildcat standings. They were last in their bracket last year with six goals given up, Tri State and PL. Although hard to say what team was better since it might have been the worse conditions we will ever see for a tournament.
A little misleading as Wildcats, Tri-State and Penn Legacy all finished with 2 ties and 1 loss to FCV in their 3 bracket games in F1 last year at Jefferson Cup. All 3 finished with 9 bracket points. FCV won bracket with 3 wins and the other 3 finished tied with same record. It was a torrential downpour for some of the games Saturday and a mudbath Sunday. Agree as bad as ever seen.
Not to misleading. PL loss to FCV 1-0 and Tri State loss to FCV 2-1, while the Cats got thrashed 4-0. Only the ponds that they played in kept the games close for the Wildcats. But your list may be correct as the Wildcats are a much improved team as shown at Bethesda.
UGH, can’t believe we might get stuck playing the same teams again, girls are not getting the wide-ranging experience they need at this stage. However, you are what your record says you are, strongly believe that, so we can only blame ourselves. However, that is really no fun at all, so I will blame everyone is was slightly better in the wins department, but that is about it. We still are the best team, with an average record, and I for one, will accept that.P.S. My daughter has been juggling since last week, not breaks, she is up to 35,000, no drops.
Unless i heard wrong information PF will be packing for San Diego. Won't be at Jeff Cup.
Manhattan SC Kickoff to miss many top regional teams this year.Surprised why they suppressed their applied list with all these other events for teams to pick from.GPS March Madness and College Showcase 2016 - MA#29 - GPS-MA NPL GIRLS 01/02#96 - CFC NORTH WOLVES U14GNJ Wildcats Spring Kickoff - NJMAPS 2016 SPRING CHALLENGE - NJ#54 - REAL NJSC SOUNDERS#58 - GPS NJ CENTRAL U14GDTS Winter Invitational Girls 2016 - NJTeams with conflicts on Sat, March 5, 2016 & Sun, March 6, 2016East Meadow Soccer Club ECNL U14Connecticut FC ECNL U14FC Bucks ECNL U14Boston Breakers Academy ECNL U14Penn Fusion SA ECNL U14FC Stars of Massachusetts ECNL U14Maryland United FC ECNL U14Richmond United ECNL U14CASL ECNL U14FC Bucks 01 NPLBoston Breakers Academy 01 NPLPenn Fusion SA 01 NPLFC Stars of Mass 01 NPLPDA South 01 NPLMatch Fit Academy 01 NPLContinental FC 01 NPL
The list showed points earned at last years jeff cup, and PL, Tri-State and Wildcats all earned 9 points with 1 loss and 2 ties. Unless you are psychic, how do you know what results would have been on dry field?.
9:46 wasn't trying to be misleading - it was last year's results and I just listed them in alpha order - N >> P >> T. I don't think it made a diff where they were listed FCV ran away with flight all others not at same level.Going by Jefferson past events I think most teams should stay in the same flights I'm sure some teams that didn't play last year replacing others not playing this year. WC ECNL should get a promotion to championship replacing the relegated Calvert Crew - all others should remain the same.Championship usually has just 8 teamsElite has had 24 teams in the past 3 flights of 8They can always go to 12 if they have more teams that fit that flight.
What was the Wildcat results against those same teams after Jeff (on dry fields)???
Since you want to use u13 jefferson results we will need to use all u13 and u14 results0:4 3/15/2015 FC VIRGINIA PRE-ECNL 01 (VA)1;2 11/15/2014 FC VIRGINIA PRE-ECNL 01 (VA)0:0 10/12/2014 FC VIRGINIA PRE-ECNL 01 (VA)2:2 3/14/2015 PENN LEGACY FC 01 BLACK (PAE)2:4 4/25/2015 PENN LEGACY FC 01 BLACK (PAE)1:2 8/23/2015 PENN LEGACY FC 01 BLACK (PAE)1:1 8/23/2014 PENN LEGACY FC 01 BLACK (PAE)0:0 3/14/2015 TRI-STATE FA ELITE 01 (OS)0:0 10/11/2014 TRI-STATE FA TFA ELITE 01 (OS)
NJ Wildcats vs Jefferson Cup Championship/Elite teams will show us this team is a low level F1 team if F1 at all.vs Championship Teams u13/142 W5 L2 T-10 GD1:3 - 11/15/2015 PENN FUSION SA '01G ECNL (PAE)2:1 - 11/15/2015 BRADDOCK ROAD YC 01 ELITE (VA)1:2 - 8/23/2015 PENN LEGACY FC 01 BLACK (PAE)0:5 - 8/22/2015 PENN FUSION SA '01G ECNL (PAE)4:1 - 5/3/2015 CES CALVERT CREW WHITE (MD)2:4 - 4/25/2015 PENN LEGACY FC 01 BLACK (PAE)0:4 - 3/15/2015 FC VIRGINIA PRE-ECNL 01 (VA)2:2 - 3/14/2015 PENN LEGACY FC 01 BLACK (PAE)0:0 - 3/14/2015 TRI-STATE FA ELITE 01 (OS)vs Elite Teams u13/142 W1 L0 T+2 GD1:0 - 11/14/2015 BETHESDA SC EXPRESS ECNL 01 (MD)0:1 - 5/4/2015 PDA DRAGONS (NJ)2:0 - 4/19/2015 NJ WILDCATS GALAXY
Wildcats have looked much better during the fall season. But on dry ground they did lose to both PL and PF. Have the Wildcats ever beaten either of those teams since going 11v11? I think there are many teams similar in stature to the Cats, BRYC, 1776 and Fredrick of Maryland to name a few. The similarities being those teams have also had games where they have given up 4 goals or more, and on more than one occasion. A team that gives up four goals in a game is one that has: 1. A defense that has bad technique or unsure of its responsibilities2. A coach that does not make good adjustments to the other teams strengths3. To much reliance on a few great athletes and which causes other teammates to get exposed when playing higher level teams.1776 is a great example of all three of these. They can look really great in one game and get smoked in the next.
2016 Region I Champions LeagueElite Red 1. BRADDOCK ROAD YC 01 ELITE (VA)2. 1776 UNITED FC XTREME (PAE)3. CENTURY V 0102 GOLD (PAW)4. PWSI COURAGE 01G RED (VA)5. HARFORD FC UNITED THUNDER (MD)6. RHINOS ELITE SC 01/02 (NYW)7. HMMS EAGLE FC 01 SPIRIT (PAE)8. LOUDOUN SOCCER LOUDOUN 01 G RED (VA)Premier Red1. WNY FLASH ACADEMY WNY FLASH GIRLS 01/02 (NYW)2. VICTORY EXPRESS SC PLATINUM U14 (PAW)3. EUSA EMPIRE UNITED BUFFALO (NYW) 4. BEADLING U14 GIRLS PREMIER (PAW) 5. HOTSPURS ELITE 0102 (PAW)6. DMS SOCCER DMS GU14 ACADEMY (NYW)-----------------------------------------Elite Blue 1. SOUTH SHORE SELECT U14 ELITE (MA)2. PENN LEGACY 01 BLACK F14 (PAE)3. EUSA EMPIRE UNITED ROCHESTER GU14 (01/02 ) (NYW)4. GREATER BINGHAMTON UNITED FC 01 SELECT (NYW)5. YARDLEY MAKEFIELD SOCCER YMS BANSHEES (PAE)6. UKRAINIAN NATIONALS BLASTERS BLACK (PAE)7. FC FREDERICK '01 (MD)8. BEADLING SC BEADLING ELITE (PAW) Premier Blue 1. HULMEVILLE SC DYNAMO (PAE)2. ABBEY VILLA GU14 BARCELONA (MA)3. NORTHERN STEEL ECLIPSE (PAW)4. KIRKWOOD ACADEMY 01/02 (DE)5. TCSC REVOLUTION (WV)6. NORDIC SC NORDIC 14 PREMIER GIRLS (VT)League make UpPAW = 6 teamsPAE = 6 teamsNYW = 6 teamsVA = 3 teamsMD = 2 teamsMA = 1 teamDE = 1 teamWV = 1 teamVT =1 teamLove RCL but with 12 teams from the state of PA and another 6 from NY West - no knock here but NPL much better option for clubs that can.What does this say for the National League? teams like SSS, PL, 1776 and BRYC will play each other every year for a spot in the national leaguewith maybe EUSA putting up a fight, is it the same in other parts of the country?NJ Wildcats did the right thing pulling out of this league - how come other NJ or NYE teams didn't apply? They don't want to compete Regionally/Nationally?
Find it hard to believe Beadling would stay in that bracket. That's a 9 or 10 hour trip to Boston if they play SS. If fact other than playing PL, almost all their games would be 3 to 5 hours of travel. That's a lot of driving to watch your team get thumped.
Wildcats did tie PL twice. PL only beat them their last meeting 2-1.
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