6:24Very true! A small number of the elite teams at our age do both already as well. But looking at the teams who right now only excel at one or the other, I'll stand by what I said. Footwork and tactical soccer a great coach can teach to any group of athletes. But its hard to make girls become more aggressive if that is not their natural personality,speed is what it is, 90% natualal(genetic) you have it or you don't. And you can't teach heart!
8:07You always leave.
Do some of you actually read comments on here before you start blathering?No one said Disney was a waste of time or somehow not a major tournament. Far from it. But you need to understand that not every team that enters it has winning a trophy as their primary objective. If they they did you'd call them point chasers anyway! To some the experience of playing at disney, being in FL, and visiting the parks with their best friends is first and foremost. Winning games is secondary. I've been there enough to know. And please don't compare Disney to Delco, PDA, WAGS, etc. thats just absurd. The only reason you go there is to play soccer and hopefully win. None of our coaches would let our teams out at amusement parks till 1AM , or spend three days living on junk food with little down time at any of those other tournaments. Disney is unique.Some teams will treat it like any other tournament which I think is a shame(unless you are local and trips to disney are common). You can often tell which is which.What more does Calvert have to prove anyway? In the last year they have -beat the #1 team from reg 2(Nat #4), tied the #1 team from EDP Cent.(#2 Reg 1, Nat #6), beaten the #1 team from ECNL(#14 Reg 1), beaten and tied the #1 team from PAGS 1(#10 Reg 1), tied the #1 team from NYC NPL, and beaten WC(#3 Reg 1, Nat #7) proving they can play with anyone.-won 4 tournaments-are 1st in their state, first in the region, and top 3 in the country. Good for them and I'm sure their memories of Disney won't be diminished one bit by their record.Now you all can go back to being jealous.
Thank you Calvert Crew apologist!We were all worried that you had too much class to respond, guess not.
And please don't compare Disney to Delco, PDA, WAGS.Okay I won't just Facts.#1's per GS @ DisneyMA - 2 WinsVA - Advanced to SemiGA - Advanced to SemiFL - 2 Wins SC - 1 WinNC - Advanced to SemiMD - 0 Wins
GS national ranking based on best 5 teams in flight MAX 10,000 point GS Flight.#3 CES CALVERT CREW WHITE = 0 wins#10 TOPHAT 20 GOLD = Advanced to Semi#14 SOUTH SHORE SELECT U13 ELITE = 2 wins#17 FC VIRGINIA PRE-ECNL 01 =Advanced to Semi#27 CREEKS SOCCER 01/02 CREEKS KRUSH ELITE = 2 wins
Score should be posted for ALBERTSON FURY '01 PRE-ECNL (NYE) vs STA MORRIS UNITED NPL 01 (NJ) soon at NEWSS winner advances to the final to play winner of EM vs Atletico game. This should be a killer game and probably a very physical game going by past history.
Best League in Region - PRE ECNL.STA 3rd in EDP, 2nd in NY NPL loses to Albertson 10th place in ECNL. Atletico loses 2-0 to World Class.Don't compare any leagues to this league. Hands down the best in Region
Isn't Albertson 3-7-1 in Pre-ECNL?
thats my point, teams toward bottom 3rd are better than top teams in other leagues.Yes I understand that there may be one team like NJ Wildcats that can play with the top teams.
FCV advances to final at Disney over Top Hat 2-1. FCV scores off free kick and PK. Top Hat with header goal from corner.
No one took the argument about EDP over ECNL seriously except the teams that play in EDP.Albertson over STA @ 1-0..
All Pre-ECNL Final at NEWSS. Both EDP Teams were only able to beat Atlantic United. Atlantic United not ready for EDP D1 or NJ top 10 discussions. Teams will have the winter to regroup and prepare for Manhattan and Jefferson before Spring Season starts. Enjoy the down time.4 EAST MEADOW HOTSHOTZ1 ATLETICO FC GIRLS '014 TSF ACADEMY 01/02G0 ATLANTIC UNITED ACADEMY - AVALANCHE 0 STA MORRIS UNITED NPL 011 ALBERTSON FURY '01 PRE-ECNL
Looks like a great final in L. FCV vs UFA. I'm curious to see how this game turns out after the UFA dismantling of SS can they do the same to FCV? My guess is FCV wins it - do it for R1 FCV!!!.PS. Thanks for the breakdown - curious about this UFA team #3 in GA, is GA soccer that strong. Tophat is a nice team so is GOL, I would imagine the Atlanta Fire is also solid at #4 and a shot at the Super Y national Title next week.
Wildcats 2 Pipeline 0 in EDP League today in Baltimorw.
FCV wins 1-0 in final on PK
This weekend showed that EDP is a nice league but not a strong one. Only Wildcats is a strong team. Both Calvert and STA are nice teams but not top teams. Nothing wrong with that.
You'd be best served to stop making judgments off individual weekends.Nice little run FC Virginia is on. Solid club.
It is what it is. Case was made all week how strong EDP was without playing head to head games and how well these teams do in tournaments. I think EDP is a strong league but not on par with Pre-ECNL and maybe not on par with NE NPL. Let's stop making comparisons on games until they are actually played.
EM loses to Albertson 2-1???
Nice step up for AlbertsonHave to wonder about guests there, but still.....
6:00 Why wonder about guests? This is a Pre-ECNL team looking to get ECNL roster right for next fall. Albertson had 4 bad games (PDA, FC Stars, Boston & CFC) 21-2 which created the bad goal diff.The Pre-ECNL flight just needs the PA teams to step up - both are PAGS D2 teams that need to add some serious talent in addition to quality training to hang. I can see that happening, I would if I lived in that area why wouldn't you? No knock on PAGS but if you are not PL, Classics or YMS with the club brand what options do you have?This ECNL division will get even better in the years to come.
PSA: If you're going to pose as a parent from another team, at least get your facts straight, otherwise your ruse becomes very transparent.
6:37 first educate me on PSA? What does that stand for? I'm 6:11. Who are you calling out? Both PA teams were not u12 PAGS D1 last year? Am I wrong? Both PA teams are at the bottom of Pre-ECNL 2-20-0 with a -60 Goal Diff. What facts are wrong? Albertson lost toPDA 0-5CFC 1-5Boston 1-6FC Stars 0-52-21 = Goal Diff -19Besides PL, YMS and Classics who has the Brand in D1 PAGS? Educate me please.
6:00I am guessing just the opposite. I know they dropped out of Columbus Day Tourn at the last minute. May have had too many injuries this season to play up to potential? Not now apparently! Good job girls.
PSA is a Public Service Announcement. A ruse is a trick, deception, or fraud.
Penn Fusion didn't drop out of the ecnl did they?!?There are reasons the other 2 PA teams are going to have a tough hill to climb though.
So what's with PSA? Don't get it?Dude, I'm not as smart as you spit out what are you saying?
EDP is the same as JAGS.
5:19Actually the case was being made USING head to head comparisons as much as possible.EDP #1 Wildcats beat PDA Storm 2-0EDP #2 Calvert beat PDA Storm 3-2(PK's)EDP #3 STA tied PDA Storm 0-0Assuming PDA is the best team in the ecnl, as I've been told numerous times, what is an objective observer supposed to think?And no, ECNL #2 beating EDP #3 by 1 goal does not prove the ECNL's top 3 were far superior this fall. But fall is over as is the argument. I am guessing with the advent of the champions league that most of these non-ecnl leagues will never be quite the same again. 4:45If Calvert isn't a "top team" than neither is PDA Storm whom they beat.If STA isn't a "top team" then neither are WC Charlotte ecnl, or FSA ecnl. who they beat, or even PDA Storm who they tied. Sorry, you can't have it both ways. 1 goal losses this weekend doesn't mean STA is on a far lower level any more than 1 goal wins don't meant Calvert and STA are on a far higher level than the teams they beat. There are 12 teams in the region who can play about even with each other one goal one way or another any given day. 6 more who would beat them more often than not, but no guarantees. Until someone beats them though, I will consider the Wildcats a little above all of them, at least up here. But truth is, admit it or not, we are all looking up at FC Virginia right now!8:56P PublicS ServiceA Announcement He was being a smart a$$, but I'm not sure who he is accusing of pretending to be from another team
NE NPL #3 PDA AJAX beat EDP #1 Wildcats 3-1 @U13.Maybe NE NPL is the toughest league (sarcasm)
It's tougher and deeper than EDP.
http://youthsoccerrankings.us/I revisited the above website.It looks like it's a work in progress but heading in the right direction.Some errors I've seen:NJ Crush Tsunami and NPL listed as seperate teams.EM Hotshotz andpre-ECNLlisted as separate teams.NY Rush u14 team ranked with u13 Teams.But in general this doesn't look bad.1 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY PRE ECNL 33.812 NJ WILDCATS AVERBUCH 33.503 MATCH FIT ACADEMY FC ECNL 33.464 MATCH FIT ACADEMY FC NORTH EAST NPL 33.095 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY SOUTH NPL 32.966 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY NORTH NPL 32.487 MORRIS UNITED SA STA NPL 32.318 NJ CRUSH FC TSUNAMI 32.139 NJCSA GALAXY 31.7010 NJ CRUSH FC NPL 31.681 EAST MEADOW SC PRE ECNL 34.312 EAST MEADOW SC HOTSHOTZ 33.513 MANHATTAN WORLD CLASS FC CHARLTON 32.944 FC WESTCHESTER 32.725 LONG ISLAND ROUGH RIDERS BLUE 32.656 LONG ISLAND ROUGH RIDERS 32.587 ATLETICO FC 32.178 NEW YORK RUSH PATRIOTS 31.899 NEW YORK SC 31.7610 ALBERTSON SC FURY PRE ECNL 31.691 PENN FUSION SA PRE ECNL 33.152 PENN LEGACY FC BLACK 33.043 PA CLASSICS ACADEMY 32.424 FC REVOLUTION FORCE 32.395 LEHIGH VALLEY UNITED FC 32.256 UNITED FC 1776 XTREMES 32.167 YARDLEY MAKEFIELD SOCCER BANSHEES 32.068 RAGE SC ATHLETICA 32.049 WYOMING VALLEY SC TRAVEL 32.0010 HMMS EAGLE FC SPIRIT 31.911 MARYLAND UNITED FC ECNL 33.062 CALVERT SA CES CREW WHITE 32.913 FC FREDERICK  32.024 HARFORD FC UNITED THUNDER 31.625 BETHESDA SC ACADEMY BLUE 31.626 MARYLAND UNITED FC RED 31.517 MONTGOMERY BLAZE WHITE 31.258 PIPELINE SC BLACK 31.229 PHWM SC PUMAS 31.0010 DAVIDSONVILLE SC DYNAMITE 30.62
I wanted to list the rankings the way they had them first. If you remove the u14 teamsand the duplicate from NY - your NY top 10 would look like this.1 EAST MEADOW SC PRE ECNL 34.312 MANHATTAN WORLD CLASS FC CHARLTON 32.943 ATLETICO FC 32.174 NEW YORK SC 31.765 ALBERTSON SC FURY PRE ECNL31.696 HBC SC SPARK 31.547 INTENSE SA NPL 31.168 CAPITAL UNITED BLUE FORCE 30.879 SACHEM YSL FC LONG ISLAND ALLIANCE 30.8510 MASSAPEQUA SC NPL 30.69
8:24, that NYE list is wrong, stop spreading stupid shit.
Could someone provide a link for EDP Spring 2015 teams/brackets?Thank you.
9:52 is the same guy that keeps arguing the same thing over and over again.No need debating, let him sleep at night.I am glad you are comfortable with your choices. I am comfortable with mine.Enjoy your daughters youth soccer experience.Oh yeah- see you at try-outs!
No listing for EDP yetThere is an EDL. The 6 team spring only division of NPL. Bit that is different.Mnay teams waiting to see what the EDP will look like for spring, as it was quite strong last spring.
Re: youthsoccerrankings.comI will say that looks closer to the actual ranks than GS has.PDA North still a bit high for my taste but at least its not totally ridiculous to have them 6th.Gotsoccer totally askew withTSF, Atlatic United, NJ Rush, Boca and SDFC listed 7-11.
I like EDP - but the spring has their flight that matters the most. The EDL NPL the one that can bring them a National Title. Winner of the North (4 games) plays the winner of the South (5 games) for the u13 EDL Title and will represent the league in INDIANA come July.They will also have to use the NO re-entry sub rule, let's see how some of these teams manage their games with this little twist. I am curious to see how a roster of 15 or 16 handles 80 minutes of soccer with no re-entry in the half.I don't think the Spring EDP will be as strong. With NJ Cup teams playing for a trip to INDIANA in addition to the NPL teams playing for a trip to INDIANA plus the Pre-ECNL teams having their own flight. I can see teams trying to concentrate on staying healthy for the possibility of a busy Summer of Soccer.Girls U13 NorthALLEYCATS U13 GIRLS ELITE FC COPA ACADEMY LIMA NJSTALLIONS13 SMITHTOWN STARS TSF ACADEMY 01/02 I think it comes down to Albany and TSF in the North. Girls U13 SouthLEHIGH VALLEY UNITED LVU 01 GIRLS MARYLAND RUSH RUSH 01G NJ RUSH 13G NJ WILDCATS AVERBUCH NJCSA13G SOUTH JERSEY ELITE BARONS '01 The South is a different story. Nj Wildcats have a bullseye on their shirts as NJYSA NCS champs already having booked their trip to WV. LVU, NJCSA & NJ Rush will try and make NJ Wildcats slip along the way if any of them can tie the Wildcats it would open the door and probably lead to a blood bath when they play MD Rush and SJEB.I think NJ Wildcats win the South and beat TSF an earn their trip to IN for a shot at their first National Title.
Does anyone know if the US Club State Cup winners will play at the same time as the NPL League winners in Indiana? The league dates are 7/9-7/13.
New Jersey: ONLY U13 Super Group champion gains entry to US Club Soccer's National Cup final.New YorkCup alsosends their champion.National Cup XIV FinalsWestfield, Ind.July 17-20, 20142015 NPL FinalsWestfield, IndJuly 9-13, 2015 Fall Champions goinginto the Spring.NEFC ElitePWSIPDA NorthNYSC---------------------------------------US Youth Soccer National Championship Series (NCS)State Champions advance to the Region 1 championship tournaments.NJ = NJ Wildcats2015 US Youth Soccer Region I ChampionshipsBarboursville, WVJune 25-30,2015The Winner advances to the National Championships2015 US Youth Soccer National ChampionshipsTulsa, Okla.July 20-25, 2015
So the NORTH teams are playing just 4 games - and this could lead to a Nationals bid should they win the crossover final?Ridiculous.But good luck to the good people at TSF.
Youth softball is littered with "national tournaments", with none of them able to claim to be a true NATIONALSeems (and money has to be involved, doesnt it?) youth soccer is now following suit.
11:10 I'm okay with having different paths. I don't think we need 1 for youth soccer.ECNL/USL Super Y have their own National Titles kind of like the MLB and "WORLD" series. It's just a league championship for a National league.Same goes with NPL -they took the UEFA approach. Win your league and represent it at the Nationals for the member leagues only.USYSA went the US Open Cup avenue. Start local and win your state to advance to regionals with a chance to advance to nationals as 1 approach plus spots for the teams that win their national league.US Club Soccer has their own version of the same event.Let's not forget the President's Cup which also crowns a National Champion similar to NCS.I don't see nothing wrong with this as they get older they will play for the College Cup and if still playing after that for a League Championship (NWSL, W-League, WPSL) and for the really gifted ones a chance for GOLD.
11:07 that is correct. Those are the league rules. From previous yearsNew England NPL & NYCSL NPL play a Fall/Spring home/away season with the winner representing the league (14 or 16 games).NorthEast Girls NPL plays Fall/Spring home/away season plus a playoff for the top 4 teams - 22 games plus 2 more for the Champion.Virgina NPL I think also does a Fall/Spring season.Qualified teamsMVP Marauders Navy 01 (WA) = 12GPFC Portland Academy Pre ECNL 01 = 0GP
Majors that has updated their site:16th Annual FC DELCO Players CupGirls U13DMS Soccer GU13 Academy (NYW)Bethesda SC Academy 2001 Blue (MD)Bethesda SC Academy 2001 White (MD)Massapequa SC Lil' Rowdies (NYE)Medford SC Hurricanes (NJ)Smithtown Stars (NYE)Waza FC East 02 Juniors (MI)
abysmal showing at Newss for U13 girls in NJ. Spurs made it to final, albeit in lowest bracket. NJ teams were represented, just tough time. U14 girls same issues
NY CUP Girls U13Play In Teams1. Atletico FC Girls '012. LaGrange Soccer Club Rage3. World Class FC '01 Hamm4. Yankee United FC Blast NPL-01 (CT)Qualified 1. East Meadow Soccer Club Hotshotz2. Intense Soccer Academy 01 NPL3. Manhattan Soccer Club G'01 Pride4. Massapequa Soccer Club Lil' Rowdies5. New York Soccer Club G016. World Class FC '01 Charlton
EDP had a bad weekend. I guess when you play the games they don't do as well as projecting the winners in a "phantom" game.
Congrats to FCV for your performance at Disney showcase.Not surprised as after playing your team twice this fall we think you are the best team we have played.Well done!NJ Wildcats
Who was 2nd and 3rd best?
2:50, you are so gracious, kudos!I am sure old Virginia is proud of you too, as you represent the best of the Garden State, right?
Interesting thread on another soccer board about Albertson having a couple of game-changing guest players, makes you wonder. Our club does not allow guest players at tournaments, which is the best for the team, let’s win, or lose, together.
"EDP had a bad weekend"I still see EDP as the spring version, which mixed ECNL with non ECNL teamsSo I dont know what you mean by "EDP had a bad weekend".
There no longer is a spring. In fact, there will no longer be a fall soon.
2:512. Wildcats3. Wildcats
I've taken a recent hiatus from posting, mostly because I have nothing new to say. But if the consensus is that FC VA, Wildcats, EM, and PDA pre-ECNL are the top of the heap, then I am very happy with my daughter's team. Also happy if you throw Penn Legacy into the mix.So who is the best team out of MA? Boston or NEFC?--PA Guy
How are the Wildcats a top team from the area? They havent played any of the top 7 teams in NJ this fall with the exception of STA (beat twice) and PDA South (lost). How are the rest of us to judge how good are the teams they played at the tournaments they entered? It appears Virginia is a good team since they win the tournaments. Wildcats haven't won any of them. I am not putting them down as I know they are a good team but it is hard to judge how good without playing the NJ teams.
Wildcats lose infrequently. And if they do lose, they do not lose by much.
Wildcats are hiding, 3:53It works for PDA Storm
Agree, Penn Legacy a very tough team as well.
Opinions of Wildcats U13 do varyButTo se just 2 losses in 24 games on page 1 of gotsoccer game listThen to go to page 2 and see just 3 defeats in 23 games........not too bad.You can kill the 42 other opponents all you want....heh - good luck with this
Which top tournaments did any of the other nj teams win this fall?None as far as I know.
no nj teams even made finals in top flights of fc delco, spirit, WAGS Cup or Bethesda.
I wouldn't say they are hiding. They are NJYSA NCS CHAMPS. Why are they to blame teams didn't join They applied and they won for that they go to West Virginia. not exactly hiding - opposite they played many big tournaments.Don't be jealous. Be mad at your team for not entering the same tournaments.Their GS History: Pretty ImpressiveBethesda Tournament-Girls WAGS Tournament National Championship SeriesSpirit United Kickoff Classic EDP LEAGUE FALL 2014 Match Fit Academy FC Invitational FC DELCO Players CupPDA Spring Kickoff New Jersey Cup 2014 Jefferson Cup Girls ShowcaseBefore you call me a Wildcat - I've already been called an EM Parent, a PDA Shill and I also sleep in Orange whatever that means. I think I'm pretty fair or at least I try to be.
Calling someone a "___ parent" is just lazy arguing. Attack/address the points the poster makes! Who cares about the source.
4:37 agree.Always thought it was pretty "Bush League" to stay home and not put your team on the line to play whoever signs up and then claim you would have won if you had entered.That argument is only made by those who have never been in the arena themselves.
I think Wildcats could WIN in W Virginia. Last year's field was not so strongWill be costly......$$
I have been to regionals twice before.The experience is well worth the cost for families that spend that much for tournaments that are much less exciting.There is much more than just soccer at Regionals.Very exciting parade of states,etc. for the girls to participate in.One year they even had a skydiver parachute right into the middle of the field where all the players(there are about 5000 players sitting on the field after they march in from the parade of states). All the players wear tee shirts they are given with the name of their state on the front. Lot's of fun and pride in representing their state for those lucky enough to experience it.
So what would we all consider the true championship? If someone wins ecnl and another wins NPL and another wins region 1, which team would you consider the "champ"?
All 3 are National champions
Sorry Region 1 Champ would still have to win one more tournament the National Championships.
I agree, all are National Champions, and you have to respect that, I do, and if you don't, then there is no hope for you, and you are a loser.
I think any team that wins any one of those 3 would have earned the moniker of National champ.Would gladly take any of the 3 regional or national titles for my daughter in any of those venues and be very proud of her and her teams accomplishment.
We can have 6 National Champions - 1st one is this weekend at the Super Y Finals1. ECNL National Champions2. NPL Finals3. US Youth Soccer National Championship Series (NCS)4. National Cup XIV Finals5. US Youth Soccer President’s Cup (NCS)6. USL Super Y League 2014 FinalsGroup AGold Soccer Academy Grand Rapids Crew Juniors Patriot FC (PA)Annandale United Majestics FC (VA) -Group B Northern Virginia Majestics (VA) Rage SC (PA)Orlando City SC DDYSC Wolves Group C Atlanta Fire United WAZA FC East VA Alliance (VA)Long Island Rough Riders (NYE)
Why do you keep claiming Super Y qualifies as a national championship? It's a summer league and most of the teams break up afterwards. Not in any sense a true championship. Also, President's Cup is for B teams so isn't a true championship.
8:10 oh great one. Some Super Y teams are club neutral and some are travel teams. Either way they have teams from all over the country playing in a year end event called the Super Y Finals. That is a National Championship. President's club has a state level event where teams qualify for a regional event, they win the regional event they play winners from the other Regions, that my friend is a National Championship.Rage (PAE #2 team) has Super Y in their GS historyBethesda Tournament-Girls FC FREDERICK '01 (MD) 1-0MARYLAND UNITED FC 01 RED (MD) 1-0NJCSA GALAXY (NJ) 2-0VICTORY EXPRESS SC VICTORY EXPRESS PLATINUM (PAW) 0-0WAGS Tournament STING 02G BROWN (TXN) 0-3CENTURY V UNITED 01-02 SOUTH GIRLS ELITE (PAW) 3-1PHWM SC PUMAS (MD) 5-1VICTORY EXPRESS SC VICTORY EXPRESS PLATINUM (PAW) 1-0CASL 01 CASL RED LADIES (NC) 0-0Spirit United Kickoff Classic CONTINENTAL FC DELCO ECNL '01 (PAE) 4-0LEHIGH VALLEY UNITED LVU 01 GIRLS (PAE) 1-2YARDLEY MAKEFIELD SOCCER YMS BANSHEES (PAE) 2-22014 Super Y-League LONG ISLAND ROUGH RIDERS (NYE) 0-2LONG ISLAND ROUGH RIDERS (NYE) 1-0SABA NYC CITY (NYE) 2-1SABA NYC CITY (NYE) 2-0PATRIOT FC (PAE) 3-0PARSIPPANY SC (NJ) 8-1VALKYRIES FC (NJ) 2-1PATRIOT FC (PAE) 1-0VALKYRIES FC (NJ) 2-1PARSIPPANY SC (NJ) 7-0So if GS is for real then so is Super Y.Plus Virginia Rush Elite - the #9 team in VA and #2 team in the Virginia NPL played President's cup this year who lost to Oakwood 2-1. Lst time I checked Oakwood was a solid Club.OAKWOOD SC (CT) 1-2CONTINENTAL FC BARCA '01F NPL (PAE) 4-0
About the Super Y League Has a sanctioned ODP programHas player tracking, Chance to compete for a North American Championship.
"So if GS is for real then so is Super Y."Both are actually things but both are not top level. You showed Rage's GS games but why didnt you not post what tier they played in? Always played in 2nd or 3rd tier. Only 6 teams in Super Y and the 3rd place team had a 500 record, so that league was really no good. The 2nd place team, LI Rough Riders is a summer select team.
Agree with the last post. Rage is not that good. They don't face tough competition in tournaments playing lower divisions and in their Pags league where they were in D1 they didn't do well.
Rage not that good? PAE #2 per GSPAGS D1 5th out of 11 teams. Champions of Bethesda 3rd Flight out of 6 with NJCSA, Classics, NJ Crush & ISA.Finalist of WAGS 2nd Flight out of 5 with YMS, Classics, Maryland ECNL, LVU& CASL.Did Not Place at Spirit 2nd Flight out of 6 with Classics, YMS, LVU, ISA, FC Bucks ECNL, JPSSo how exactly do they play lower levels? All I'm saying is there is a level for every child and like it or not there will be 6 teams that can call themselves a National Champion.Rage will be the first with the opportunity - don't be jealous. It is what it is. Every team had an opportunity to play in the league just like every team in NJ could have played in the NCS - you can only play who shows up and where the tournament people put you.
"So how exactly do they play lower levels?"You just stated what tiers they played and not a one was the top tier. So I think you answered your own question. Seriously 5th in PAGS 1 is good? They were 500 in PAGS 1. PAGS 1 was not that good this yr. GOTSOCCER is not a ranking system. Please stop using it as one.
"GOTSOCCER is not a ranking system. Please stop using it as one."This might be the most intelligent thing I've ever seen on this board.GOTSOCCER is merely a points collection system. Big difference from a ranking system.
You do realize in order to get to those lists you have to click on a button marked "Rankings" right? And then you see Nations RANK 6Regional RANK 2New Jersey RANK 1Far from perfect but at least it's not biased. Everyone knows the rules. Just because you don't like where your team is ranked...go win a tournament or two and stop trying to belittle those who do.
Well if my kids team played in the lower brackets against inferior competition then they would be ranked much higher. Since they play in the top brackets and against top competition they tend to lose games. I dont care where the team is ranked, I dont like people who look solely at the ranking. Take off the blinders.
No need for that last sentence, 9:28.
I hope all the NE teams win everything. It makes every team from the NE look better. So Good luck Rage ,Patriot FC and LI Rough Riders.It was great Wildcats were #1 for a little. It made everyone else in the nation look at the NE and say wow must be good teams up there.
Not biased??? They take certain league points for 2nd and third place for both Fall and Spring. How is that not biased to that league??
Yeah but if you take off the 5700 points Wildcats are showing in EDP for the fall of 2014 before the season (while still counting Fall 2013) is over and they drop to over 30th in Nation. Still not bad but more accurate.
9:59 your slip is showing. Your obsession with Wildcats is not healthy.They have earned their points(8 wins 2 ties 0 losses in EDP Central in spring-7-0-0 in EDP this fall-already clinched 1st with 1 game to go).Stop and consider how much of your time is spent stalking, looking up and then commenting on(attacking) Wildcats points, rankings, results, style of play, coach, parents,etc.Now look in the mirror and ask yourself if this is a healthy use of your time in pursuit of a team your daughter is not even playing for.Good luck in rehab.Remember mental illness is a disease.It is not your fault.We are all rooting for your full recovery!
include 8:49 am in last post as well.It applies to him if he is not the same poster.
I am 8:49.For the record, I am pro-Wildcats. Became a fan after finally seeing them play at Bethesda.And GOTSOCCER is not a ranking system. It is a points accumulation system. Maybe I could get on board with GS if they posted their rankings based on pts/game or something that does not reward teams for entering so many tournaments.Wildcats have the most GS points in NJ. But this is not why they are #1 in NJ. They are #1 in NJ because they are state champs.
Nobody attacking. Just pointing out the extreme flaw in the system you are using to rank. The only teams beaten for their points are STA and Crew once. How does that add up if you REALLY look at it objectively..... Think that is the point. Great for the girls but this is more about the ranking system you are hanging on to. Really, how does that make any logical sense? Take a breathe and reply rationally. Without "working the GS system", let me know how you see that this all makes sense.....
Wait a second - how did we get to Wildcats from Rage/Super Y??I used GS to show that they are successful as they are ranked #2 behind PL. As far as just playing tournaments to accumulate points that's just an ignorant statement. Rage won the 2014 Taylor Seitzinger Flash Tournament and received ZERO points because as you say they beat no one. All they can do is apply to tournaments where they are flighted is out of their controlNot exactly easy Tournaments they played in.Jefferson - FinalistSpiritWAGS - FinalistBethesda - ChampionThey received 2,500 points from Super Y & Epic and in Total 8 events in the last 12 months.
I am starting to understand the hate now. Some posters wish their kid's team played in these tournamentsJefferson,WAGS.Spirit,Bethesda,DelcoThe top teams go to these tournaments to play top teams not to earn GS points. Just like they go to FC Stars and PDA tournaments. To call a team out because they didn't make the top flight at a tournament is ridiculous.
Just showing how both are "ranked" higher because of flaw with GS.....
Winning is not a flaw.Not playing or only playing in a handful you think are worthy is a flaw.
No one has said that the tournaments Wildcats entered are a flaw. Quite impressive. However, the timing of EDP points is flawed and skews the rankings of EDP teams. Even you can't dispute that.
8:49 here again.My kid's team played in the top flight of all of those tournaments, 11:11. Did pretty well, winning one and making semis is some others.I don't hate GS. I just recognize it's flaws. It's a point accumulation system. Play more games, you get more points. Simple as that. Doesn't make you the best to have the most points.
I agree about the EDP point awards being flawed, and my kid is on a team that is "ranked" much higher than it should be because of those points.
Defensive...... Not really an answer. And not trying to be a smart ass. Two teams have given you your points. You do not find that as a flaw??
Flash tourney is Rage's Tourney. They have to play in it.
Boca has broken into top 10 on GS, just interesting after all the talk on them on here. Yes, used to play for Boca and know club well.
The points are a great business for all involved. Coaches use this to recruit and keep players. Tournaments use points to sell more teams to the event. And parents love to say to others how good their kid is based upon GS points and rankings. But the reality is that the system is flawed and does not promote player development or benefit. Wildcats are the best soccer marketed business in NJ and they are genius at using points. Others like MF-NJX have become a shadow of their former selves based upon points. But is this a reflection of their team and ability or their leadrship choosing one event over another. Are there really 6 teams between Wildcats and NJX-MF? Is Wildcats better than NJX-MF? This is just more of the dummification of youth soccer lead by and supported by businesses, parents and coaches.
Pretty good GS conversation. Good way to end it, 11:24.Time once again for my "who would beat who" rankings. I've included some VA and MD teams this time:1. FC Virginia2. Penn Legacy3. PDA Pre-ECNL4. East Meadow Pre-ECNL5. FC Stars of Mass Pre-ECNL6. Penn Fusion Pre-ECNL7. Wildcats8. Match Fit Pre-ECNL9. BRYC10. Boston Breakers Pre-ECNL11. YMS12. Maryland FC13. PDA NPL South14. Match Fit NPL15. Connecticut FC Pre-ECNL16. World Class Pre-ECNL17. FSA Pre-ECNL18. PWSI19. Albertson Pre-ECNL20. Penn Fusion NPL21. 177622. PipelineNever seen:PDA NPL NorthMatch Fit BlackNYSCPA ClassicsAthletico
The number 9 team on your list and below would be 2nd Flight at tournaments that only put 8 teams in their top flight. Does that make them as bad as Rage?Didn't know that - So they played their own tournament because they had to right. So this should have been some easy points to accumulate, wait they got zero points for it. SO HOW exactly does a team accumulate 15,000 points to move up the charts if you win tournaments and get zero points? SO if they played in 5 tournaments like their own they would still have zero points. So they apply to the tournaments where the good teams go, they play in the flight they are put in and they continue to WIN. But they are a lesser team because they play in Super Y?
I haven't seen Rage play in about 18 months...back when they were losing to the likes of 1776 and LVU. They'd be #23 on this list.
12:15 Yeah back then 1776 was the best team in PA Since then 1776 can't win outside of PA while Rage has proven they can.1776 at Spirit, Discovery & BethesdaW1, T3, L5, GF5, GA11Rage Spirit, WAGS & BethesdaW7, T3, L2, GF20, GA9
Same brackets, 12:43? If not, then you are not comparing apples to apples.The two teams' records in PAGS would be apples to apples.W-L-T1776 5-1-2 Goal diff 17Rage 4-4-0 Goal diff 3
Ouch...In the same 2 tourneys Rage and 1776 played in.Spirit - 1776 top tier Rage 2nd tierBethesda - 1776 2nd tier rage 3rd tierNow if tourneys go by Gotsoccer Will Rage will get put in top brackets for up coming tourneys?1776 will be dropped to lower brackets.
No soccer parents that I have ever met are interested in talking about got soccer points and rankings and I have been through this with two soccer crazy kids and multiple teams. Only place I have ever seen this discussed in here and there on a forum.
Exactly right, GS is a points calculation system. Not a means to determine better teams.December 2, 2014 at 9:28 AM- Take Wildcats for instance, they are #1 in Nj and top team in country? They have entered 3 big tournaments and only won 1 game out of 9 or 10 played. Never made the Finals.Obviously a great team would WIN more games. Wildcats good defensive team that is top 5 in the State. Will finish first in their Fall EDP division for the first time (as per GS).GS a good tool to look at a teams collection of recent Tournaments and some League games (depending on the league they play in)
12:57 of course not. As I said "outside" PA I'm confused - I thought I read on here that Maryland United Pre-ECNL was a top team - they also happened to be in the same flight as Rage.Yes 1776 was in a higher bracket and proved they didn't belong 1 win in 9 games. While Rage was one flight lower winning 7 out of 12 with a +11 proving they should have been higher.All you can do is show up and play the results will tell us if they belong in the flight or not.
1:12, not true, we as a group do occasionally discuss GS. Mostly, its other parents asking me the ranking of the team, but I always preface my response with its not a perfect system, and points/rankings don’t win games, the girls do. Still its nice to know that all the money they are spending is keeping them competitive with some of the best teams in the area.
1:12 you are wrong my friend.Gotsoccer points are used to flight and to accept teams in competitive tourneys and therefore are extremely important next year and the year after at U14-U15for exposure to college coaches.
1:18 why bring up Wildcats, you fail to mention one thing about the Wildcats, 9 games played with 1 win and a -2 GD say what you will but that proves they belong in the top flights not like 1776 in my last example who have proven they are flighted to high.
11:24am and 1:18pm please see 10:36am.also please look up the word redundant in the dictionary.They will soon be using your picture asa synonym in the 2015 Thesauras.
1:19 - Do you think that because of GotSoccer Rage will be put in the top bracket at an upcoming tourney? Lets say Jeff Cup, is this the 1st top tourney of the new year? If put there do you believe they will be able to hang with those teams? If you look at last yrs Jeff cup some of teams that could be in top flight would be below:PDAFCVCincyWildcatsCrew Jr.sPenn LegacyMD UnitedBRYCPenn FusionBoston
If MF/njx is a mere shell of its self, now? Wait til the spring, when their better players are playing with the ecnl team. Which has already started this off season. Hurry openings are available on me npl. Just right a check for $2500 and new uniforms $250 for Nike premier club. Incidentals $1500 for your travel . $400 for coaches travel hotel and bar tab.
1:28 No I don't think they can but I also think they have earned a shot at 2nd or 3rd flight. Jefferson puts 8 in top flight. Top 16 or top 24 why not.
Ok.. Agreed on Rage. They have been playing in the 2nd and 3rd tiers at some big tourneys. So why not Jeff Cup? I looked and I see last yr they were in the 4th tier at 8v8. Still played 8v8 like all the other PA teams. So maybe they picked up some better girls moving to the 11v11 field. Probably not a lot of choices for girls over there, at least not like NJ. Could anyone from Rage decide to go to CFC , PF or Bucks to make those teams stronger?
1776 is an interesting one to me. As previously posted they are doing well in PA and not so good outside PA. wasn't this team called Nether who is affiliated with CFC?So what's better for the top kids on on 1776 to dominate PA and play second fiddle to PL and lay an egg when they go outside PA those top flights will start to disappear soon if they continue not winning. They can supplement this with ODPor would it be better for the players on this teams to merge with CFC Delco pre-ECNL and NPL.or they stay where they are leave PAGS and play in region1 Champions league or EDP?
1:28 the sad thing is you list 10 teams. If Jefferson holds true with top flight of 8 - 2 of your teams play 2nd flight. Reading some posts - How in the world is that a bad thing if they are not in top flight?
I just listed 10 teams that maybe in the top flight. I have no idea who applied or who will apply. We said being 2nd flight at Jeff Cup for Rage is good.I was asking if he thought Rage deserved to be top flight and if they could hang with those teams? That's all.
2:26 I understand. I was just saying you listed 10 good teams but only 8 of those would be given top flight does that make the 2nd flight a bad thing? like some posters were trying to say about Rage playing in 2nd and 3rd flights.All those teams deserve top flight but only 8 make it because of the selection process not because they are a bad team. All of this because I said the USL Super Y finals will crown our Age group's 1st national Champion this weekend.
1:26 I bring up the Wildcats because they tell the world they are #1 in NJ and #1 in the country yet only win 1 game at ALL U13 tournaments they have entered, including a 3-1 loss to a. NJ team.GS calculates points, great teams win games. They have never won anything where PDA or MF/NJX were grouped in with them.Wildcats are tops in that second tier of teams, but history shows they are second tier.
3:28 and this is where we disagree. I don't think there is a great team at u13. This Country is very big with lots of kids playing this beautiful sport. Some teams are stronger than others and these teams are put together in top flights (some times the selectors get it wrong). I posted many Wildcat posts to defend their accomplishments from the people that try to make them look ordinary. Just like I did with Rage today.You can think what you want but I see the NJ NCS Champs representing NJ at the Regionals in WV. I see a team that played in almost every big tournament this past year. Did yours? Yes, I see a team that Won only 1 game in 9 played, but they only lost 2 with a GD of -2. Yes this is not the Pre-ECNL flight of NPL but you cannot say they don't belong in the top flights. Yes they play to win like everyone else, but they are going against some of the tougher teams in Region in those 9 games. I say they did great and the players on those teams were tested in all those games.3:28 How many times have they played head 2 head? Don't answer I broke it down for you below.PDA AJAX (W2, L2, T2, GF7, GA7) 8/24/2014 1-36/1/2014 2-04/12/2014 1-19/15/2013 1-18/25/2013 1-010/13/2012 1-2PDA DRAGONS (W1, T0, L0, GF1, GA0) 6/15/2014 1-0PDA STORM (W1, T0, L1, GF3, GA2) 4/6/2014 2-010/26/2013 1-2NJX CELTIC (W0, L1, T3, GF5, GA6)6/9/2014 0-011/17/2013 2-29/7/2013 2-23/17/2013 1-2So vs PDA and MF they areW4, T5, L4, GF16, GA15yes a lot has changed over the years.NJ Wildcats State Champs Playing in top flights and holding their own.Can you leave this team alone now.
3:28.... Tell us all what teams are in the top tier of NJ
WILDCATSMF ECNLPDA ECNLMF NPLSTAPDA IMPACTPDA NPLCRUSHNJCSATSF
PDA AJAX not IMPACT
I took your list and looked at games played vs NJ onlyTeams that never lost to a NJ teamMF ECNLMF NPLPDA NORTHPDA ECNL1 LOSSNJ WILDCATSNJCSA ELITELOST 2MEDFORDNJ CRUSHPDA SOUTHSTATSFLOST 4NJCSA GALAXY
3:56- I appreciate your time and effort to capture all that information. I find it useless to go back that far to compare teams NOW. Since you seem to have their past well documented can you tell me a time when they won a tournament or their division when PDA and NJX were with them?I see they played PDA Ajax this year and lost.
The fact that in the 2 years or so that I've been reading this blog nobody has been able to craft an indisputable argument why their own team is the best shows us all how close these teams are, and how you're all just wasting time. Congratulations. You all have talented daughters. Why are you so caught up in this? And why are you so offended when someone disagrees with you? You know what they say about opinions, and there are a lot of them on here.Move on.
wildcats finished ahead of both ajax and matchfit npl in last springs edp league and beat pda storm head to head in league play that season.wildcats finished 2nd at 8w 0 losses 2T while pda Storm finished 9w 1loss 0ties.matchfit npl and ajax finished down the table from both.that was the last season the played together in the same league.so the answer is the most recent (last spring) record shows they did very well indeed vs the matchfit and pda teams.cats also beat pda dragons 1-0 in june at matchfit tourney the only time they played them.
4:54 - Hmmm interesting question.Both are from NJ right? Refresh my memory who's the State Champ? and Since you seem to know a lot about PDA and MF why didn't they play NJYSA NCS? OH NPL. Right it's US Club. Didn't stop STA and NJ Crush, but it did stop PDA and MF. Why is that?Let's see if the mighty decide to play NJ Cup for a trip to nationals if they are all about national Titles. I see NJ Wildcats and MF NPL are going for it.
teams are changing so fast now.It is possible that wildcats get better in the Spring and go up another level. they may also fall back.Other teams will fall back or move as well.Time to take u111 and u12 off the table.Teams have already changed. And some teams will be significantly stronger in the Spring.Lets just stick to u13 from now on and go from there.it keeps a lll arguments in the here and now.Basrd on this- You have to say Wildcats have improved. but I am sure so have Match fit and PDA.These 3 team are tops in NJ.I will have to give the nod to the ECNl teams because they have beaten top regional competition within their league.A team like wildcats have beaten Calvert in league play but have not had a consistent body of wins in top regional competition.Thats just my opinion.I don't think either one of the ECNL will play the wildcats unless they play them in a scrimmage or in a tournament.I Will be curious to see if wildcats-are in top bracket of PDA tournament with all the other top teams in the country.Perhaps they will get a chantce to play these local teams in this venue.
5:46 I agree - I posted the GS history to show they were always close. Just u13 and to even things out PRE-ECNL/NPL records vs top 7 teams only took out the bottom 4 from eachNJ WildcatsEDP Fall - W7, T0, L0, GF15, GA1Bethesda - W1, T1, L1, GF2, GA2WAGS - W0, T3, L0, GF1, GA1GP13, W8, T4, L1, GF18, GA4---------------------------------PDA STORMPre-ECNL vs Top7 W4, T2, GF9 GA7Eclipse - W3, L1, GF12, GA2EDP Cup - W1, T2, L1, GF6, GA6GP13, W8, T4, L2, GF27, GA15 ---------------------------------PDA AJAXNPL vs Top7 - W5, L2, GF13, GA5FC Stars - W1, L2, GF7, GA4Spirit - W2, L1, GF6, GA3GP13, W8, L5, GF26, GA12---------------------------------PDA DRAGONSNPL vs Top7 - W5,T2, GF3, GA2Parsippany - W4, GF13, GA2STA -W2, L1, GF5, GA1GP14, W11, T2, L1, GF36, GA12-----------------------------------MF NPLNPL vs Top7 - W4, T3, GF20, GA3Bethesda - W1, L1, T1, GF4, GA1Fc Stars - W1, L1, T1, GF3, GA3GP13, W6, T5, L2, GF27, GA7---------------------------------MF ECNLNPL vs Top7 - W3, L2, T2 GF10, GA8Bethesda - W1, T1,L1, GF2, GA3EDP Open - TBDGP10, W4, T3, L3, GF12, GA11
I love ECNL - but as of today NJ Wildcats are State Champs and have not been blown up in any games. While I like STORM and MF ECNL - NJ Wildcats have to be number 1 just by their body of work. State ChampLeague ChampTop Flight in Top Tournaments
The rationalization is still so comical.....State champ- beat Sta League champ- beat calvertTop tourneys- because of the above and not many points came out of those.Call it as it is. Good team. Not even close to above the others on body of work. Ecnl alone this year is tougher "body of work".....
6: 34You are certainly entitled to your opinion.But i tried to do away with titles and just looked at top regional competition for u13 only.head to head in any form of competition be it tournament or leagues.People can argue about state cup depthone can argue that all these teams play in top tournaments( its just a matter of how many)and one can argue that one of the ECNL teams are tops in there league as wellBut it is hard to argue about head to head wins against top regional teams.I can't think of a better way of comparing teams in the u13 age group then competition against their peers.Unless of course the two teams go head to head.Again just my opinion
7:15 I'm just old school the only people saying state cup wasn't deep are the people who's kid didn't play. Nothing more. State Cup will always be the State Cup just like it was last year. It's an Open Tournament where every team in the state can play as long as you have the cards.6:54 No rationalization -State Cup beat the teams that played. Does it bother you that much that your kid didn't play and couldn't defend her title? League Champ beat Calvert which PDA Storm couldn't fact. Again the only one talking points is you - and that's because your kid's team stays at home. You got to be in it to win it. You can't win if you don't play.That's all I've been saying - a good team that can call themselves State Champ and is going for the double - something no NJ team ever did at this AGE. EM has done it in NYE.Dude, I love ECNL - and I've said it was the best league for a very long time. I've even been called a PDA shill for it and more recently an EM parent.No one is questioning ECNL or at least I'm not.NJ Champ that is undefeated in league play and 2 wins came against a team that beat and another that tied the top dog in the pre-ECNL flight.And this is comical :)or is it reality.I bet you NJ Wildcats go to Jefferson to play other top teams including FCV, Will Storm and MF ECNL looking at GS unless they apply later they are missing out. What's up with that?
different poster here.You do realize the landscape of State cup has changed starting at u13-u17.A large amount of teams are electing not to enterfurther to the pointMy understanding is that the u14 NJ state cup winner just got beat 6-0 in a tournament against ecnl teams and beat again 3-0 against a NJ team.They are ranked number 1 in the State by GS.hows that for your GS rankingsSo far me a title is as good as the teams that have entered. It is top competition that people look at and not just titles but who those games were won against.This is not to say that wildcats are not a top team but i would not declare any state cup winner best in the state or region without looking at the competition that they played against.unfortunately changing landscape is doing that for all ages it is not isolated to u13's
7:57 The ECNL teams are the strongest teams - I will defend that and not change my stance on that.STATE Cups are STATE Cups, I'm a Euro and that's the only chance a lower level team gets to shock the world. The lower level teams will never play top flight and will never travel more than 2 hours. The only chance they get to see an elite team or play against them is at the state cup and if they shock the world that doesn't mean they are better -they were just better that day. There is nothing better to play a lower level team and to hear the noise their parents make in support and then again there is nothing worse than feeling you have to stop cheering because your kid's team has just scored double digitsNJ Wildcats are a good team and happen to win State Cup this fall. The only people that have a problem with this is people that stayed at home with their kid and frequents blogs because their kid is great and so is their team.They are State Cup champs. I would be happy if my kid's team won because she would have as mile from ear to ear not because of the title or the GS points. But that's who I am.
8;18you'll get no argument from me
AND I am also this guyU13G EDP OPEN CUP2nd Round------------------------3 TSF ACADEMY 01/02G 0 NJCSA ELITE-------------------------4 BEACHSIDE SC CT BEACHSIDE0 PISCATAWAY JAGUARS------------------------- 0 INTERNATIONAL GIRLS FUTBOL ACADEMY 01-01 MATCH FIT ACADEMY FC BLACK NORTH---------------------------- ALLEYCATS U13 GIRLS ELITEFC COPA ACADEMY LIMA NPL----------------------------MATCH FIT ACADEMY FC ECNLJERSEY SHORE BOCA JR FC FUSION---------------------------- NEW JERSEY RUSH HAMILTON WILDCATS 01 GIRLSbye----------------------------3 NJCSA GALAXY2 PDA SHORE FUSION----------------------------CES CALVERT CREW WHITMEDFORD SC HURRICANES3rd Round---------------------------TSF ACADEMY 01/02GBEACHSIDE SC CT BEACHSIDE ---------------------------MATCH FIT ACADEMY FC BLACK NORTH vsALLEYCATS of FC CoPA---------------------------MF ECNL or BOCA vsNEW JERSEY RUSH HAMILTON WILDCATS 01 GIRLS----------------------------NJCSA GALAXY vsCALVERT or MEDFORD (going to president's Cup to represent NJ)
My older daughter communicated with a college coach this Fall. My Daughter played for a very good NJ team that is not an ECNL team.Even though this coach thought highly of my daughter, he basically told her that he needs to see her play vs high level players on an every day basis. She stated she plays for "XXXX", her team does well.we believed she played vs upper level teams just not the top teams. His response quickly was, go join an ECNL team now. He needs to see her play vs the best players, see if she can stand out with those type of players. She was devastatedI spoke to the coach myself, he reiterated the same to me, he also communicated that rarely players that are not playing every year at National Finals will not get the same look as an ECNL team would receive.Luckily for my girl, she called an ECNL team and signed with them. This coach has attended several practice to date to see her practice. Hope it this works for her.Point of story, I believed my daughter would have received the same looks as a player from an ECNL club. She was recognized for sure, only problem it was not enough. I will not make same mistake with my 2nd daughter.NJ Wildcats, Crush, STA, FC Copa, etc can not compare to top programs.
Don't question Wildcats or coach will call you a stalker, a sicko, or whatever. C'mon can we stop with that already. Everything can't be an attack from some unknown villain with an agenda. Some people are just offering their opinions.
and others are offering a counter nothing more
The best place to get seen is ODP regional and national pools.If you are that good you will make those teams and be well known and widely exposed to the top college coaches.Otherwise there are many ways to get there.Probably best way is to identify your top few choices and attend their high school players ID camp on their campus.You will train and play in games for the schools head coach and assistant coaches and they will get to know you as a player and you will get a feel for the coaches, current players at that program and the school and campus.
9:10 - Hope your daughter gets want she wants. Glad to see she spoke to a coach and he was honest with her. Sounds like the coach said you can be a great player on a Non ECNL team but that doesnt mean anything. He needs to see her compete day in and day out against what he considers the best. I notice you say he has attended several practices, PRACTICES. 8:18 - "STATE Cups are STATE Cups, I'm a Euro and that's the only chance a lower level team gets to shock the world. "The point everyone is trying to make is that there was no high level teams in the State cup. The lower level teams had no shot to shock the world.
Ok- but the 4 teams that everyone expected to be in the semifinals/finals were. So the lower level teams didn't shock even given who was there.
A college coach will not want to pass on a player that can help the team win and help coach keep job. If the ECNL costs are out of reach for her family, coach would be unwise to insist on ECNL if she can really help her/his team win.
7:11 No the point people are trying to make is that PDA and MF teams didn't play. Are you telling all the other clubs in NJ should build their schedule around these 2 clubs? Wow I thought NJ was strong? Because I read on this board that PDA Storm isn't the same when the top of the rotation doesn't play Calvert loss and STA tie and if you remove 2 Girls from PDA Ajax they are a shell. Dragons get no respect and NJX is a shell of itself going by this board which leave MF ECNL. So if these 5 teams don't play a State Cup is not a state Cup. Is this what you are saying?Because if not mistaken every other club sent their teams. Just to repeat - my question is if PDA and MF doesn't send their teams the NJ State Cup is light because in the entire state of NJ all the high level teams belong to these 2 clubs. is this right? I hope not for NJ - But then again it does explain why no NJ team wins a top flight outside of NJ-since these 2 clubs don't send their teams to all the majors.So NJ not as strong as you guys like to make it out to be and this is nothing but a PDA/MF board. Okay since I now understand this - I can see why NJ Wildcats are painted the way they are on this board.
that whole story was BS.Nothing but an infomercial for ecnl from PDA or MF.That college coach is pretty lazy it seems.Look at all the players at major colleges who didn't play ecnl.If you only look in one place for your players you will miss out on a lot of players who can help your program.I doubt this college coach will still have his job if your kid is thinking about going there.
8:07 and that usually will happen.We had Haddonfield (who) and BOCA (they are mentioned on this board) come within a goal of forcing OT to play into the Elite 8.Then You had SJEB an up and coming team going by this board miss by 1 goal from forcing OT to make the Final 4.And let's not for get last year's close games.1 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY STORM0 HADDONFIELD SC LIGHTNING1 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY AJAX2 JERSEY PREMIER SOCCER FLASH 0 MARLTON SC STORM1 TSF ACADEMY 01/02 TSF ACADEMY
My point wasn't they will shock the world. But they would never get the opportunity to play vs high level teams if not in state cup. I get what you guys are saying and I will drop this. Not exactly sure how this benefits soccer to grow the sport. But I guess that's why we pay the big money - they are the pros and know what's best for the sport.
9:10All those club programs mentioned have girls playing D 1, including on the most elite of college teams. Look over the college page of ecnl clubs you will find many girls DO NOT go to D 1 schools as well. Some ecnl's are only about 50%. If thats your goal for your daughter, thats great, but know it is nowhere near a sure thing just because you played ecnl. Look at college profiles, girls who participated in ODP alone far outnumber those who played for an ecnl club alone. And as mentioned by 10:43, ID camps where the girls get to match up against current players are becoming the preferable way for these coaches to really evaluate players as they(the coaches) are in control of what drills they run, positions in scrimmages etc. I also have an older daughter and her team going through the process right now. Not saying that story isn't true, it just strikes me as odd because thats not what I'm seeing and hearing from college coaches. Of coarse ecnl, ODP, and ID camps combined would be your best bet, but to many that's not an option. If the kid has talent, she'll find her way into a good college program. But don't expect you won't have to do some legwork yourself.
8:47 here8:49 you are not being fair we have 2 ECNL teams in NJ, 3 in PA and 2 in NYE if they all roster 20 players that's 140 players vs how many not on ECNL teams in the 3 states.ECNL gives the kids a great opportunity -they still have to make the best of it but it does open doors and that's all that you ask.
8:49 - "If thats your goal for your daughter"This is the biggest problem. Should not be a parents goal to get your kid to play D1, it has to be what the kid wants. Parents should only be there to direct them.Of course, every team has players that have gone onto play D1 soccer.
When 5 of the top 7 teams in NJ don't play in the SC of course you will have some who say it wasn't a deep tournament.
BRAVO 9:14!!!! Well said!!!9:21 yeah I can see that,but I'm willing to bet the only people posting it wasn't deep are from those 5 teams that didn't participate why else would you take away from 12/13 year old player's accomplishment. Do you actually think they care who didn't play (or know if their parents didn't tell them)-all they know is they played in State Cup - no adult politics.
8:49As I try to figure out whether to bring my daughter to an ECNL team next year, or keep her on her high level team and play ODP.I see articles like this and I must admit its a pretty powerful commentary on why you have a better chance in the ECNL than any other avenue.Can you please present your data as I have not seen anything that gives me a reason to keep her where she is if she can compete and start on an ECNL team.Not a defector yet but getting close.http://eliteclubsnationalleague.com/home/850008.html
Been through this with my older daughter as well. Just being on a ecnl or npl is not going to do anything for you. If you are a bench player you will not be seen when you need to be seen. Do you really think you coach is going to play you because a scout my be there. He is there to get his starters as many looks as possible. Go ask any bench players parents yourselves, just being on the team is not good enough. Everyone has their role on the team. The starters will be seen , bench players are funding the majority of the team and their parents are happy that their kid is on the team. Bottom line is what makes you kid happy. If you are a bench player and want to be seen find yourself a decent showcase team and email all the coaches that are supposed to be at the tournament. Why waste the time or money sitting on the bench and might be seen in the 6 or 7 minutes you get.
9:48 It's hard to argue your point. If a kid is playing 6 to 7 minutes and has nothing but garbage played to her in those minutes because kid's can't be perfect all the time - your kid will need more minutes for sure to showcase their talents.However, the training and the competitive environment will help them at the ID camps for sure. So while your point is valid they still have a chance plus they get to put down that team name on the questionnaire that more and more schools are looking for these days.
The other thing to keep in mind, 9:47, is that the ECNL has only been around since 2009. The current college freshman and sophomores were U13s and U14s back in 2009, when the ECNL was brand new and had not really hit its stride yet. Just imagine how the numbers will get skewed further toward the ECNL over the next five years.
9:47 unless you live in PA or on the Island your kid will need to be pretty good if not recruited. Not saying your kid isn't but she will need to be technical for sure and show potential vs high level players that will not make it easy for your kid to standout.If you are from PA CFC and FC Bucks have much room for improvement The island is starting to get more difficult
I agree 10:07 a young league that has made it's 70 clubs that much stronger.When you compare those numbers - you are looking at 70 clubs vs over 1 thousand non-ecnl clubs
10:02Have been at both levels. Training is the same, level of players slightly different. Not much of a competitive edge. With regards as putting down on your page that your on the ecnl or npl or PDP team yes that is an advantage. They will contact the coach and once they find out your not starting or they show up at one of your events and your child is not starting, your done. Like lieing on your resume and getting caught
Let's put it this way. Most ecnl teams roster 18-22 players, some more. Only 11 can play at a time. If your 16 or 17 off the bench is that better than playing at a top team in top tournaments. My answer is your better off where you can play and be seen. To each his own. MF pda's will always take another $3000. Just saying. If that's small potatoes to you then go for it
9:21am try and understand- ANY HIGHLY RANKED TEAM that enters state cup competition does so knowing they are putting themselves into an open state championship competition with no idea who will or will not enter.There is a blind draw so they have no idea who they will play when they sign up.As a highly ranked team they sign up knowing as shown by 8:42AM that they will get the best effort from EVERY TEAM they play and they are putting their reputation and credibility as slip and are upset they will be criticized mercilessly for that upset to an unranked team.Now clearly a highly ranked team whio just skips the competition avoids putting themselves on the line and doesn't give those lower ranked teams in their state a shot at upsetting them. That of course is their choice but don't you see that taking the easy way out by not entering and then belittling the accomplishments of the teams who DID ENTER and DID put themselves, their teams, their clubs and their reputations on the line is very "Weak", very "Small" of you indeed.And speaks volumes about what your team and your club is about as well.
Everyone gets that, 10:41. Do you understand that winning the state cup without 5 of the top 7 teams playing is less of an accomplishment than if those 5 had also participated?
We all know the State Cup in the fall does not give teams flexibility on the schedule. That is why the NPL teams and the ECNL teams did not enter the tournament. Their schedules are set and there is little leeway in moving the league games. In fact their schedules for the spring have already been set. These teams did not avoid the tournament, it did not fit into the schedule.
If PDA or MF would enter the State Cup it would be a lose/lose situation for them. IF they win, well they were suppose to win. If they lose, then all the bashing starts. What would these teams get out of playing against teams that the Wildcats beat 6-0? It is better for them to go play friendlies against better competition.
Now that's a complete cop out.
9:14At 15-16 you're right. But at 12 very few girls are going to willingly leave a winning team full of their best friends to play on an ecnl team so that 5 yrs from now they have a slightly better chance at playing d-1. That's all the parents doing, and yes, that's a shame.8:55Only looking at the a teams college commitments. Most top college programs full of odp players both ecnl and non. Many ecnl girls were recruited to ecnl teams for final couple years. Ecnl taking a lot of credit for girls they didn't produce.10:07 Can't have it both ways. You point to all these ecnl girls playing in college but when I point to many who are not you rightly say the ecnl wasn't around when many were coming up and hence deserves no credit . Maybe the ecnl will get better as you say. Ecnl fans are always pointing to what is going to be. Frankly I don't care, by that time our daughters will all be in college. And please tell me one club that is better today than they were pre-ecnl, FC Bucks?, Continental?, even PDA( great as always, but improved due to ecnl?)
Roster spots 14 and down are going to change every season. Going to happen this season watch. Will happen this spring season coming. Happens every year.
9:14,10:07 here. No one has ever seriously said that ECNL is the only way to make it to D1. Everyone knows that there are non-ECNL players playing D1. But what has not been refuted is the idea that playing ECNL gives you a better chance of making it to D1. Support for this idea is found in these two links:http://eliteclubsnationalleague.com/home/850008.htmlhttp://www.d1soccerrecruiting.com/ecnl-and-the-college-recruiting-process-what-does-the-data-reveal/No one ever attacks the data in these links. Instead, they attack:1) The cost of ECNL. But after some discussion it eventually comes out that the high level non-ECNL teams are paying about the same.2) But there are non-ECNL players on current D1 rosters. And there probably always will. No one is debating this! There are only 70 ECNL clubs. The league has only been around for five years. And they are producing the most D1 players than all other leagues combined. How does naming the non-ECNL D1 players refute this? It doesn't. It's just marketing. 3) The roster size of the ECNL clubs. But as we know, some high level non-ECNL teams also roster more than 18.4) The playing time for bench players at ECNL clubs. This is actually a decent point. I'm of the opinion that I would pull my kid from an ECNL team they were not getting enough minutes. But, to each his own. The debate over which is better in order to get noticed by college coaches "starter on non-ECNL" vs "ECNL bench player" is a worthy one to have. I don't think we have enough data yet to convince me one way or the other.5) The last argument that comes up is the "tearing my crying daughter away from her best friends on her non-ECNL team in order to make her play with a bunch of strangers on an ECNL team" argument. Which is not even worthy of a reply. But hey, when arguing the facts fails, always best to go with the emotional argument.
10:48AM, 10:48AM and 10:51Am OK it wasn't a good fit for you to enter this year.so then show some class and stop knocking the tournament and the accomplishments of those who did enter.You made your decision not to compete for the state championship this year.No one else thinks it is less of an accomplishment to win it without your team. This attitude along with your redundancy and ignorance is probably why your tam has faded so quickly into a 2nd tier and 2nd flight team under your leadership.
10:51 teams Wildcats beat 6-0 or league games vs CFC Delco and FC Bucks right. You get those blowouts when a team has a great day.The Schedule flexibility now that is an issue to skip the tournament. But just because you didn't play don't throw mud. 10:48 how come I don't see a disclaimer **** PDA and MF teams did not play?? 10:41 BRAVO!! 10:59 Parent's doing yes - but not a shame doing WHAT THEY THINK IS RIGHT.I don't think the kid cares who gets the creditOf the girls playing in college from non-ecnl teams - How many Clubs - is it a 50/50 split?
10:59This is 9:47.I fully understand what was before the ECNL, but i am looking forward with my daughter.My daughter is on one of those teams that is very good but just short of being elite.She has been invited to play on an ECNL team.She would probably be a core player and add to the team. She is ready to make change , I have spoke to coach and he has given all the top tournament arguments but cannot refute the current statistics that have been published. All he says is that make sure she is a starter and top 6-7 player- which indirectly tells me that playing for these types of teams are more competitive because they collect top players. In the sane breath, he tells me that the clubs goal is to get into the ECNL in the future. They are trying to procure fields. The message is confusing and sounds like a sales pitch.I am well ware that Non ecnl players play d1- But it seems that the data regarding incoming freshman suggest, that this league will be a significant contributor to the Elite college scene in the next 5 years.No has been able to lead me to a website or article or data (not opinion) that disputes the strength and future of the ECNL league. i would like data that states why its better to stay out of the ECNL.Thank you
11:27 another alrtio sincepda/mf infomercial.
10:16am and 10:34am are both correct.For all but the top 6-7 on those ECNL rosters how do you showcase yourself when your role is part time play or even worse part time dress?what happens as the above posters said when the college coach comes and your are not even dressed because you weren't chosen for that event?What if he comes to watch you and you play 5 or 10 minutes per half.Makes no sense for those girls to not be somewhere where they play regularly , gain confidence and game experience and have a major role on their team to showcase themselves to college coaches in elite tournaments.believe me the only reason pda and mf want the extra bubble kids to stay is to keep the dues coming.
Obviously it sounds like everyone can afford the $10000 per year now to play on ecnl npl wildcats and sta. If that is not a problem now, then don't worry about the scholarships in four years.
*sigh*No one is talking about scholarships.National team-caliber players get scholarships.The conversation is about getting onto a college team. Very different.
FWIW, my long-winded take – Before ECNL, there were top clubs, where most college players came from, and lesser clubs, which may have the occasional/rare player who received a scholarship. Only some of those top clubs joined ECNL, while others didn’t for whatever reason – lack of field space, geographic proximity to ECNL club, not part of the coaches’ clique that set up ECNL, etc. ECNL likes to compares themselves to all non-ECNL clubs, not just their peer group. As a result, you’ll never find any studies showing that you should do non-ECNL over ECNL because on aggregate, ECNL will always come out better when you include clubs that never had any intention of competing on that same level. Having said that, because ECNL has done such a good sales job, their clubs are probably producing a higher percentage of scholarship recipients now then they were before, as some players who would have gone to those peer clubs instead joined an ECNL club. That doesn’t change the fact that those players would still likely have received a scholarship if they joined the peer club instead. In fact, I would say a number of ECNL players (say players 10-22) would be more likely to get a scholarship if they were on one of the peer clubs’ teams because they would play more and be seen more.Instead of basing the decision of moving from a non-ECNL to an ECNL team on a sales pitch based on flawed data, a parent would be smarter to consider the specifics of their particular situation. How will your daughter’s playing time change; will she be sitting the bench? Which club will best develop her, as not all coaching staffs are created equal? Which club will offer better competition in practices and league games ( a factor that typically favors ECNL teams)? Does the current club provide adequate opportunities to be seen by college coaches; do the coaches have good college connections? Is there an increased commitment (time or money) that your family can’t handle? Weigh everything together instead of just blindly swallowing the ECNL kool-aid, and only move if the specific ECNL team you’re considering offers more, not because you just want those four letters on our kid’s soccer kit.
12:30Thank you.That gives me a lot to think about.It is the particular situation that your daughter is in and the club and trainer and how she is valued.That make sense. I just couldn't articulate it.our club is a good one not great .Our trainer is good not great.I will expand for next year looking at both Non ecnl and ECNL clubs to figure out best fir for my daughter.This could not hurt in figuring out what is best for my daughter.
Clarification please? When you say peer club you mean equal?If a player is 10-22 what makes you think they would be any different on an equal club? The only way their playing time would increase is if the peer club was below and not equal? What am i missing or misunderstanding?
12:46 the answer to your question is very simple.Because players 10-22 would be going from a team with a roster of 22 or more to a team with a roster of 18 or less.Even if teams were equal overall the player would dress and play each game.That's not the case for 10-22 on a team of 22 or more players.
By peer club, I mean a club that is also seeking to develop college-ready playing and competing in top flights of tournaments with ECNL teams.To your second point, that’s a fair question. In my view, it’s comes to a comparison of team vs club. If the two teams (ECNL and non-ECNL) were identical, then you’re right, player 15 would still be in the same place for either one, and there could be good reasons to go with the more prestigious club (depends where you are, but that’s probably the ECNL club). But teams are rarely identical. So is it better to be the back-up goalie on the ECNL team or the starter on another team. If both clubs can offer you the same opportunities to be seen and quality training, then you pick the non-ECNL team. Or if you’re an offensive player stuck on the bench behind an All-World forward, then maybe playing for an offensively-challenged but otherwise very good non-ECNL team might be the right choice. My point was that while most ECNL clubs are very good at what they do, there are clubs that can offer similar exposure and opportunities as an ECNL club, and a parent should consider their particular situation before changing just to change.
Interesting at 11:27"She has been invited to play on an ECNL team"More poaching - nice.
The whole ECNL debate is up to you to decide what is best for your daughter. If you are a bench played on an ECNL team then you may get more playing time on a NON ECNL team. Even if you are #14 because of the sub rule in ECNL. Once you are subbed out you cant return to the game until the 2nd half. In other leagues it is unlimited subs. So I understand the whole talk about if you daughter is a bench player then better to be on NON ECNL team.
1:15Got it might be equal or lower or higher but the end result is the same development for college and beyond.In NJ the arguement could be made that MF and PDA are equal.Next up as of today are the Wildcats - so can 10-22 help the Wildcats? PA is another animal - some will argue that 10-22 on PF would be 10-22 on PL, but 10-22 on PF might be starts on other ECNL teams CFC and FC Bucks andmost others if not all PAGS teams.NY is crazy, so would 10-22 start for NYSC or would they also be 10-22. EM and ALbertson are crazy both Nassau teams with no equal although somemight say they ae equal to Albertson I think. In a city so big that's a melting pot it's sad to see met oval not in the picture.I agree with what you are saying and 2;18 - playing time is a premium and some difficult choices will be made some will benefit their kids and some won't that much is a given.
Good discussion, folks.12:30, you lost me with "flawed data". To what data are you referring?
Some kids will leave for more playing time and others will enter to be bench players. Oh if we only had a crystal ball.
If going ECNL look to PDAUntil MF figures out fields and how to run a organization the right way then next optionOther optionsWILDCATS STACRUSHFC COPASJEB
2:26 - I think 12:30 was trying to say that if a player comes over to ECNL at u17 and goes on to D1 the club the player has listed is her last club. He's is trying to say the ECNL club didn't develop the player. He might be right but the ECNL club opened the door that may or may not have been opened if they didn't make the move - that is something we will never know.
It has happened more often than not that the elite players may join ECNL in the later years which really stinks for all the players that have been there throughout the years. The ECNL teams will play their best players. They don't care how long you have been on the team. Sad but true. Kind of throws a wrench into the whole ECNL at U13 U14 because what is a ECNL (PDA) tean now will have a completely different roster in 2 years when all the non ecnl elite players move in.
By flawed data, I’m referring to ECNL’s misrepresentation of scholarship numbers. As one example I noted, they like to compare their numbers to all other clubs, even though most clubs aren’t in the business of producing college-level players. Two, they take credit for players whose skills were developed by other clubs and trainers. Sure they helped get those players seen by college coaches but skilled players could have gotten attention from other high-level teams as well. My biggest issue is that ECNL acts as if the league made the reason behind their clubs’ successes, when most of these clubs and their teams were already very good. As someone said earlier, PDA was PDA well before ECNL came along. ECNL picked clubs already at the top of the heap, and it’s not liked they made any of them dramatically better other than providing them with a script for pitching recruits.(One exception to this last point is FC Virginia, which came into existence as an ECNL club because Terry Foley helped start the league. Essentially all their older players were developed outside the club, as they recruited good teams to join using the ECNL brand name.)
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