Monday, March 5, 2018

U17 (2001) Girls Youth Soccer

U17 girls soccer takes no prisoners--they are well trained and fiercely competitive. 

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Anonymous said...

Quick note here. We watch much DI soccer, it is free and accessible. We also watch DII and DIII. The difference between typical DI and DIII is like professional to recreation. believe me.

Anonymous said...

Every roster has them, 3:48

Anonymous said...

4:58 only if they have 4.0 GPA and have a big heart to boost the overall team GPA.

Anonymous said...

5:21 Reallys know the game. That is so true and just shows there is a "Rudy" story on every soccer team. Coaches love to tell parents about their team average GPA. They just don't tell them what part of the team it comes from.

Anonymous said...

Didn't we do this high athletics and high academics at various top schools already? Groundhog's day isn't until February.

Anonymous said...

Sounds like someone"s feelings got stepped on. Please enlighten us with your pearls of wisdom 7:07. What would you like to discuss??
Core course GPA??
The value of unofficial visits?
Percentage of Recruiting rejections?
Why did they change the soccer ball from its original design of six panels of three strips each?
Although men soccer players sustain a great percentage of injuries, why do women face a higher percentage of severe injuries (knee's, shoulder's, back and spine)?.
There 7:07, now since you had nothing to bring to the table but criticism of others conversation, you can work off of those.

Anonymous said...

Seems like you don't like criticism 7:46. Why have the same discussions?

Yes, let's talk about unofficial recruiting visits. How did they go for everyone? Likes and dislikes. Kids looking to stay close or go several states away? Other than the food, what else is a score at various colleges? Anyone doing the commuter route?

Also like the soccer ball design discussion. Big one; any hints as to laundry detergent or similar suggestions to get the stink out of their stuff?

Any upcoming Labor Day weekend tourneys? What about WAGS, etc. this year? Any thoughts how these tourneys are impacted by all the changes?

Anonymous said...

There you go 11:41, now your injecting so good questions instead of criticizing others conversation. Look at you go when pushed a little bit.

Anonymous said...

Plenty of bang for the buck at some of these 1 day school run ID camps. For like $125 you get plenty of game action vs like competition - and as a bonus you get seen by a few schools.

D1 schools - some run a little higher - and of course you often have the option of a 2-3 day event.

Unofficial visits? Very important. Go get the feel of the school on a guided tour/info session or just by taking in the grounds yourself.

On a school in session day there is a different vibe of course. May be more telling than going in summer or on winter recess.

I also see benefit in attending the collegiate games within an hour or so from where you are. I will be gladly giving up NFL/college football this fall to see what some of these teams in the area look like, style of play, coach demeanor etc.



Anonymous said...

7:25 not the original poster, but you don't see yourself or your tone as critical? how's that glass house? may explain the lack of new discussions. people are just not coming back to this blog.

Anonymous said...

Top Drawer Soccer top 100 collegiate womens players for 2017 is out

4 players in top 25 are not from Power 5 schools

12 of top 50

25 of top 75

41 of top 100

Congratulations to Ms Murphy of Rutgers - coming in at #9 - and top GK

Anonymous said...

10:35 Not sure how the "glass house" comment fits? But if it works for you then whose to argue. I listed five articles to discuss and now some of it being discussed. Nothing critical dear and didn't mean to hurt your feelings.
10:14 Good post and great idea about attending a game and seeing the coaches demeanor and style of play in person.
Found the unofficial visit during the year worked well because my daughter was able to talk to the students about the campus itself. Questions regarding everyday things like getting from one building to another, things to do off campus and stuff like that.

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Anonymous said...

Does anyone know if the new DA teams will be doing tournaments like Disney? Their Pre DA teams from last season were certainly good enough, but all that has changed with girls moving and teams being totally different.

Anonymous said...

DA teams will not be doing tourneys like Disney. They have their own showcases.
Some that are considered "pre DA" can do what they want.

Anonymous said...

Come on 8:30 do you understand what the DA is? Did ODP teams ever go to Disney?

NJYS ODP teams are now Called PDA and Cedar Stars. It's up to the players and what they want. International Play (aka Olympic Development) or playing HS soccer. The GDA clubs will produce very good players that the college coaches will love. It's up to the players and their parents to back the platform that is great for their kids.

Anonymous said...

PF DA team is doing Disney.

Anonymous said...

Outside Activity/Competition

Domestic & international tournaments may be permitted if they meet Academy's technical standards of one game per day and elite competition.
Examples of permitted events include the Dallas Cup, Surf Cup, Disney Showcase, and other International events

Anonymous said...

I "think" the DA teams will go for great competition. That would include many of the above listed, Jeff Cup as well. Jeff Cup is the spring opener in mid-March so most should go there unless tied up somewhere else that weekend, or before or after that weekend. Certainly too many matches and tournaments are not good. And no more need to showcase because DA matches will get looks for coaches. And DA events. But you would also have the famous PDA tournament that would still run at Rutgers, again for example

Anonymous said...

Jeff Cup I am sure will now have a separate DA division, like with ECNL

heh

Anonymous said...

11:11
i heard they are only sending uncommitted kids.

Anonymous said...

Makes sense. Then they can take advantage of the substitution rules that are not a rigid as DA so more kids can get playing time.

Anonymous said...

1:25 I agree - but I also think it defeats the purpose.

GDA is training 4x per week with the best to earn a spot on the roster come game day to play in a meaningful game. That's what they are selling. I guess PF doesn't believe in what they are selling, since they need an outside tournament to get kids looks. That should speak volumes by itself, just like it did for the ECNL. If the ECNL events were so great and they were why did some ECNL teams feel the need to play at Bethesda, CASL, NEWSS and Jefferson? Oh yeah marketing, the ECNL club hosts can say their event has teams from the ECNL and all over.

Why have a DA if you can't even play simple within your own rules? These other tournaments are just participation awards. Looking more like the USSF just wanted a piece of the cash cow.

Anonymous said...

2:28
interesting. I also hear they have a number of pre-academy kids that may go as well.

Anonymous said...

2:28
some clubs went to some of those tourneys to as part of their agreement in marketing their club brand (nike, puma, adidas, etc.). I was told that from a USYS club. Not sure how true it is but made sense.

Anonymous said...

Jeff Cup had ecnl mix. Disney and Bethesda also ecnl mix. PDA also had ecnl mixed. only Casl had ecnl only. If a team is good enough I would mix them. Just hate to see blowouts.

Anonymous said...

Only mixed ECNL at PDA was the younger ages. Older was ECNL brackets only as it was a national ECNL event that counted toward post season play. The other tourneys didn't count.

Anonymous said...

PF is not sending top players only end of the bench and DP listed players. They will use it as a JV tourney and play their top kids in the DA winter showcase.

USSF doesn't make money on their showcases. Venders pay the bills. The only money grab is the academy who overcharges for you to be on their individual DA team. The USSDA league itself is no financial burden to the club at all, they actually subsidize some of the cost. USSF does not charge for any events and they cover ref fees. The only cost to US Soccer is $50 per player. Obviously travel expenses are not covered.

Anonymous said...

So is the Disney tournament being used as a pacifier for the kids who won't be rostered for the DA winter showcase then?

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Anonymous said...

Tito or hilda

Anonymous said...

12:05
I heard it's for kids that are not committed no matter where they fall on the depth chart.

Anonymous said...

So my daughter came home from DA training and mentioned that some of the girls are rethinking their commitment. Anyone else seeing this?

Anonymous said...

Players have to play somewhere, 12:05

Some DA kids are being asked to play NPL

Anonymous said...

1:05...yes seeing it at my daughters club as well. I know a couple of girls that left DA to go to the clubs ECNL team 2 weeks before the first game.

Anonymous said...

Once some girls realize their playtime in games is not there, their effort for the trainings will show and I expect some to bail. Not just on my kids team but every DA team.

Anonymous said...

1:05
maybe some kids should be rethinking this. It's not for everybody.

Anonymous said...

4:44 so is this how they handle college as well? I'm not playing so I'm bailing. Or, I work harder and earn playing time.

Anonymous said...

snowflakes.

Anonymous said...

I see some bailing. Definitely.

Anonymous said...

7:58 They transfer = same thing. Gee wonder where they learned that?

Everyone wants to play at the top because they think they are good enough.The selection processed showed that they are but it looks like the fight isn't.

To each their own. All that matters is that they are where they want to be.
Some lessons you learn the hard way.

Anonymous said...

If they committed to the team they should see it through. Quitting when things don't go your way will only teach your kid to run from problems. She should stay and fight for her time. If she was offered a spot to begin with than she is good enough but maybe needs to work harder. You are not helping your kid by letting them walk away. It's suppose to be hard, that's how you know where your plateau is. To be the best, you have to play the best. Time on the bench will knock a kid down a peg and show them that you have to work hard to improve. As long as the situation is not harmful, don't wimp out.

Kids who can't keep commitments become adults who can't keep commitments. It is learned behavior.

Anonymous said...

7:21 I agree with your comment when talking adults.

These are kids and you are only young once.

At the end of the day this is a GAME nothing more. if it's not fun then i won't hate if someone walked away - would say good luck and I hope things workout.

They are kids and they all want to play - if one person thinks they are a sub doesn't mean the next will. Wimp out? They are young and should enjoy being young.

Anonymous said...

PS. It's okay to want to play for the NT and then change your mind when you see all that you need to give up. HS Soccer, training 4x per week after school commute how ever long to the field and then back home. Keep your grades up and make sure they don't slip.

And you say don't wimp out? I know what you mean but at the end of the day these are young ladies with only 10 Pro teams that pay 15k per year if you are not a key player or international player.

Anonymous said...

16 year old girls are old enough to learn how to make adult decisions and honor commitments. They took that spot from another kid and now are giving up because it got too hard. They owe it to the kid who missed the opportunity to see it through. This is a good life lesson. Didn't you sign a contract to join?

They are already involved in much more adult type situations that they have to navigate through now.

Anonymous said...

7:21

Kids are being identified by experts at younger and younger ages resulting in downstream decisions that go against some people's logic, or causing some people to accuse young athletes or bailing. I have seen it time and again where a u14 player is touted as the best in her age group because the DOC determined her current ability to be better than her peers. One thing Club DOCs and regional talent scouts can't do is project talent, and one thing most youth coaches cant do (at any level) is train to potential. The system beginning at U14 promotes the best and brightest at that age leaving behind a large group of potential. It takes a brave coach to actually identify potential and then coach/train a player to reach it. My daughter is a GK and had a hard time finding the right trainer, not because of her but because the trainers are looking for recognition by promoting their prodigies, she finally found someone who was able to take her God given attributes and turn her into a top ranked keeper. Girls who have stayed with the original trainer (as u14 prodigies because of size and athletic ability) who were getting moved through now that it matters for college scouts they are getting passed over because the trainer never trained to potential she trained to capabilities. This is what happens at clubs around u16, coaches don't want to train and improve players they want to acquire and trade players. This isn't a pro sports league, parents need to speak-up so that the product improves across the board. Maybe the DA needs to put rules in that protect the player and the team with strict transfer rules and eligibility that holds clubs accountable to train the players they have, play the players they train. Yes this isn't rec but at the end of the season there should not be a high delta between players for game time minutes. If you are a DA player you should see at least 40% playing time. If girls are bailing even before games start what will happen if they are sitting the first 5 games of the season??

Anonymous said...

11:43
That opinion you have is why we now have a mindless, non-accountable society.
I assume you like participation medals too?

11:58

Agree wholeheartedly. They need to learn responsibility and become productive adults

Anonymous said...

I guess I am in the middle. I let my children decide, with me and spouse suggestions. It may not be quitting. Maybe they are moving to another sport. Maybe they are not having fun. it comes down to do you lead a happy life or a life of firmness. I think you have to find the middle. I do agree a lot with previous poster about trading and not developing players. DA will develop with 4x week training and playing the best theoretically. Does a teacher making $75K per year leave his nice teaching job to go to NYC everyday to make $150K. Does a child in college take courses to be a coach, at, or pt. Or do they become attorneys, doctors or marketing people to make millions. Quitting is sometimes a great thing. It changes the path you are on. And many times it is the right decision, many times.

Anonymous said...

12:14 That was an excellent post and really hits the mark. Although I do believe there is validity in the value of a club name when it comes to U17 and up (maybe even U16). I think below those ages, the ability to find a coach that is vested in your team and the individual player is paramount to any club name. Of course he or she also needs to know what the hell their doing and not just be an "effort coach".

Anonymous said...

12:14
my daughter is a keeper too and considered top level. But players like this (including field players too) don't just fall out of the sky. Why wouldn't a club bring in a kid that has the attributes to go beyond where she was being used or underused previously? Many times, the child wants it. At least my daughter did. As another poster noted, it is the club and the system that can bring it all together to fill in the missing pieces of the complete puzzle.
And, getting different training experiences has worked wonders for my daughter. She knows what works for her and what doesn't. It's all goes into the soccer iq files.
Also, being able to fulfill potential and capabilities are also vastly different. Many things go into both categories (i.e., size, desire, ability, iq (soccer and mental), athleticism, and more).

Even kids that have all the tools can plateau long before anyone anticipated. These are children not wind-up toys. Anything is possible good and not so good.

And like teams, some coaches and trainers have a better fit with different kids. Sometimes it's good to change things up. Fresh eyes and perspective.

It's all a crap shoot.

Anonymous said...

I was reading some of the earlier post regarding a couple DA players rethinking their decision and possibly leaving. So does the team go on with the numbers they have or is there a reserve? Players that were told they may be called up if an injury occurs or player departure? With some of the older age DA teams already short on number of players, would they pull younger players up or just shut that age group down?

Anonymous said...

Trolling the da teams websites, you will see that at least one team is heavily stacked and won't have an issue with losing players. The older team will most likely be pulling players up since the roster shows to be short.
I personally can't wait for the games to start

Anonymous said...

So at this point, even if a DA team was short players, they wouldn't consider adding a player that hadn't been to their tryouts? Even if it was a talented player. I say this because there is talk about a few girls already regretting their decision to play DA, but there also may be a few girls playing HS thinking the same thing. Especially a talented player on a bad HS team.

Anonymous said...

That would depend on the pride of the DOC and club.
Amazing how this plays a factor.

Anonymous said...

Any team would add a difference maker. The DA clubs understand its an unknown and would therefore be more likely to accept a later add with a comment along the lines of, well the whole DA deal wasn't well enough understood and this player understands know what she wants is most in line with this philosophy ...

Anonymous said...

I would think that there is an in-season limit to player adds to a team and where players can come from. An Ideal situation would be a rule that stipulates a DA club would need to fill a roster spot with and existing club player (I think all DA clubs have multiple teams at each age level). But as an earlier poster noted egos play a big role in youth soccer. Would the DOC or coach reach out to a player who was on the bubble and not selected, would the player (parent) take the offer knowing that the player may just be a roster filler? I also believe that if you are on a DA team there should be consistent rules that every rostered player sees meaningful playing time during the season.

Anonymous said...

6:48
are the rosters listed somewhere? Will US Soccer list?
I know my kid's club doesn't have the correct rosters posted on their website. And my friend said the same about her daughter at a different club.

Anonymous said...

Hahahaha. how difficult is it to put up a correct roster? So then why post? already sounds bush league.

Anonymous said...

and 2 PA clubs which will remain nameless have the same girl on each of their rosters...:)

Anonymous said...

So just confirming that some don't have correct rosters posted. good stuff.

Anonymous said...

I would not go by the rosters on the club sites but the ones posted to the USSDA site. Although the rosters for PF are all blank and the 18/19 for PA Classics looks real light while the u16 looks real heavy. It may be related to internal decisions to make additional cuts or to re-align players. I would think that all rosters need to be certified prior to the first game next week.

Honestly I am out of the picture as this does not apply to my daughter, I do have friends whose daughters are on DA teams and talk around the water cooler is the parents with younger girls thought it was a no brainer to go DA when offered but the older girls who have tenure in high school had a much harder decision. Some actually accepted DA spots, trained with their HS teams in pre-season and are dropping from DA. One friend has a u14 who is fully DA committed while his Sr. daughter opted out once she got back with her HS team.

Anonymous said...

kids are kids. and they are only kids, once. but, it's all relative to what you want to do in soccer. if you want to play beyond college, you want DA on your resume. if you don't, then why not play hs.

Anonymous said...

Agreed. Or if you want to see playing time as a freshman in college in competitive programs, then you go DA. As you noted, it's all relative to what your child wants.

Anonymous said...

Still early in the NCAA season but it would be interesting to see how many freshman are seeing playing time.

Anonymous said...

11:46 I agree - if they want to play HS go for it. I think if my kid had a choice she wouldn't play HS, it would be her choice either way.

12:08 Sorry I disagree soccer is so subjective, that it doesn't matter. It all comes down to what the coach thinks of the players for the roles he/she needs. Has nothing to do with where they played their youth soccer it's what they think of the player period.

Anonymous said...

Of course that is part of it, but if a kid comes in game ready to compete for playing time right away, they will see some over others that aren't high level game ready. That is unless they are being red-shirted.
When coaches go into the roster during the season due to injuries, etc., that is when this may matter. Since there is nothing to use as far as a gauge because this is DA's first year, it will be interesting to see.
And to your comment, it's what they think of the player, don't you think a coach in a competitive program likes to see that a player wanted to play at the highest level before coming aboard? So, that will already play into what they think of the player department. This player wants to play, now.

Anonymous said...

The ND freshman from Highlands was one of the nest players on the field in her debut

I love when teams just go on TALENT rather than pecking order. Seems she made an excellent collegiate choice (in terms of soccer anyway)

Re: DA teams adding - I'd be willing to bet there are ECNL to DA "transactions" once HS season is over.

And of course CedarStars will take anyone, anytime.

Anonymous said...

2:53 are on the team simply because they are good students and that high GPA will boost the overall team so they can brag about how much they care about academics. These kids want to play but they will never log minutes maybe a few in a blowout. These rosters are 26-30 deep not all are playing.

3:02 where does CS academy train?

Anonymous said...

2:53 Do you really think that because a player plays for a DA team that a college coach will see that as a player wanting to play right away? Whereas a great player for another club will be seen as a player that doesn't mind sitting the bench? How about you look at some college rosters and then check out who their starter are before you make such a ridiculous statement.
If a girl is a great player on a team, its most likely because she's athletic, worked at her craft extremely hard for many years, and most of all is extremely competitive.
According to your logic, a top player on an ECNL team like CFC will be seen not wanting that starting spot because she decided not to play DA. I guess those FC Bucks girls on Penn State were lucky they had a high GPA.

Anonymous said...

8:27 good programs are not going to waste roster spots on kids simply because they have high GPA's. They must have talent, too.
And yes some kids won't ever see the field for certain teams. They are called roster spots/training squad; like football. And it will be up to those kids to determine if they like just having equipment that says a certain team name or actually getting playing time and maybe rethinking their decision. But it's up to the kid. Some are just fine with it.

It happens ALL the time and in nearly every sport in college.

Anonymous said...

10:24 how can this be a ridiculous statement when GDA has not happened before now? As noted, there is not gauge, yet. But, read the article about UNC. It's implied to play GDA. Others are doing the same.
How about getting your head out the sand every once in a while.

Anonymous said...

10:24 that was a fantastic FC Bucks team - btw. I know several of those girls. But the future is yet to be written. And the future is GDA.

Anonymous said...

10:24
i agree. being a great player does take all of those attributes. But, being a great player on a weak team (and I'm not saying this to imply that the teams you mentioned are weak) is a lot different than being a great player on a great team.

It depends on where the kid is going and if they want to play. If you are going into a competitive program, you want to stand out.

Anonymous said...

10:54 My comment wasn't really against the DA program or it's players, or the excellent coaches that will be on the sidelines. My comment was that you are assuming that colleges coaches care about what a player did for their last team. I am also assuming you are a smart parent and realize that most college coaches recruit 20 to 30 more players than their roster will hold, and induce them to sign on with the thought process that they already made the team? All those coaches care about is who will be the best on their team and who fits their system. For every UNC statement you read and post about, someone can bring up a college coach with a different perspective. Georgetown coaches think HS serves purpose because because they identify girls early (freshmen/soph) and it gives them a chance to see how a player reacts to uperclassmans physicality during games. It's implied that they do not really care about the GDA. There is over 334 women's D1 soccer schools, with the average roster between 23-26 per team. If we just take the starters for those schools, that's 3,674 players, think about those numbers and pull your head out from under the beer tap and you will see what I mean by "ridiculous".

Not trashing the DA at all as many of my daughters friends play in it and they are very good players with great parents. I want them all to succeed and flourish with the choice they made.


Anonymous said...

3:14 posting again. Please understand that under no circumstances did I mean that Georgetown ID's its players by watching HS play. Just that like most top D1 programs, they have already identified their recruits by freshmen and Sophmore year. So all their doing is monitoring them by that point to see how much fight is in the dog.

Anonymous said...

That's funny. they were quite happy when they learned my daughter was playing GDA. So, different strokes i guess.

Anonymous said...

hey 3:14. I'm 10:54.
Here's MY post 8/15 at 11;45 on the U16 blog as i have a younger child, too:

"Of course there will be some DI players that don't play DA. The GDA only has a limited amount of spots an average of 11 per team per age group. How many teams are there? 69 total.

So out of the hundreds of thousands of girls in one age group that play, only 759 (using 11 x 69) are wearing a DA emblem. And generally a recruiting class is looking at saw on another blog about 8-11 per class and about 310 +/- DI schools (all tiers). That's 3410 spots to fill.

Where it will pay off is many (not all) of the 759 though will in all likelihood get more money offered because of the emblem they wear. And, with have priority access to top tier schools.

Keep in mind there are many, many more girls that play soccer than boys in the US."

Pretty sure I DO understand. Glad you enjoyed my logic. Now, back to the fight. Neck & Neck

Anonymous said...

10:32

You expect that they'd say they are NOT happy?

Anonymous said...

Match day on Saturday....exciting to see what this season will bring...blog posts after games mostly :)

Anonymous said...

Seriously most don't care.

Maybe you should go to the

Academy Soccer board:

http://youthsoccertalk.blogspot.com/2012/05/academy-soccer-new-may-11.html

This page is designated for questions, comments and sharing information related to youth soccer academies.

All age groups and boy / girls will be included here.

Anonymous said...

10:43
expected them to say what you alleged prior to decision being made. my kid wanted to do hs.
not the case.

Anonymous said...

Girls DA parents aren't going to a boys DA forum. Get real.

Anonymous said...

hahaha. true. then how can we correct all the misconceptions?
any other kick off tourneys or games this upcoming weekend?

Anonymous said...

https://www.uslacrosse.org/blog/time-for-officials-to-step-up-and-enforce-conduct-rules

Even other sports of tired of the officials swallowing their whistle when it matters. Snowflakes.

Anonymous said...

12:39 Your DA arrogance kills me. Your 11x69 logic implies that 11 players from each team will be playing D1. Maybe if each team had the top players that decided to go the HS route, that would happen. I guess you didn't get to witness the PF scrimmage in NY last weekend and missed out on the high skill level of that 4-0 game? That was a game that could have easily been 6-0 or 8-0 and that is what quite a few DA teams will bring to the table.

Anonymous said...

News flash Nobody cares what PF is doing .

Anonymous said...

@4:29. I'm sure that whole comment sounded much better in your head.
It's a hard nonsensical read though. Like, huh? What'ch ya talking about bro

Anonymous said...

Explain DA arrogance please.
Your comment was as pompous as it gets Mr PF

Anonymous said...

5:55 The arrogance lies in the fact that you believe that the emblem really will earn them more money (don't worry, I was the same way once). I have been through the DA system on the boys side and watched so many parents believe that same thing you do now. After four years and thousand of miles of driving, my son was extremely fortunate and a little bit lucky and came away with paying nearly nothing for college. But so many of these parents and players ended up with much less than expected, or were cut going into U17. Imagine playing for a DA team since U14 and then boom, cut at U17 (big recruiting year for boys).
You do not want to believe it, but the girls DA will have close to a 40% turnover margin by next tryout. The top 6 players on each team will stay, but at least 8 to 9 will leave. The DA is truly an awesome tool for the top 6 to 8 players on the team and they WILL benefit from it, especially if its a good team and their not playing defense the whole game. But for the other 12 to 14 players that are playing sporadically (only 5 subs per game), staying ECNL would have been a better way to go.
I brought up the PF/NY FC game because all NY FC did was play defense the entire game and their offensive players didn't get to show their skillset at all. If this is how its going to be for their season, How are those players looking in the eyes of recruiting coaches??
I did reread your post 11:55 and I was wrong, your not arrogant at all, just misinformed.
11:20 Try reading slower or have your kids read it to you and explain it.

Anonymous said...

I think you'll find that except for the top 5%, most have a pipe dream
The program will take 2-3 years to get established and I agree there will be much turnover.
On another note, is there a place where the game rosters are posted on ussda site?

Anonymous said...

Hey 4:29; your arrogance is annoying me and I'm with PF.

First of all no one posts scores about a friendly. And secondly, it was a friendly; a try kids in different positions or teams kind of thing. Who knows what line ups you will face the next time from that team? Kids were missing due to SAT's from all the teams.

Btw - there are many levels in DI as well.

Anonymous said...

Some of these players don't have 'pipe dreams'. Some don't mind spending the money and traveling either.

Anonymous said...

8:09 i hear you re the boys' DA side of it and the emblem not necessarily earning more $$$. But the boys' DA was the equivalent of the girls' ECNL. And in ECNL not everyone gets full rides or even half. Many do get some $$ though (books, something).
Now that the girls have a true pyramid, it should make a difference as it starts to flush out. btw - i'm the 12:39 poster as well.

Anonymous said...

First Major
2017 WAGS

Girls U17 (top 28 teams)

SHOWCASE I
Bracket 01
1776 UNITED FC XTREME (PAE)
CDA SLAMMERS FC G01 ELITE EGSL (CAS)
BEACH FC 01G RED (VA)
HARFORD FC UNITED THUNDER 01/02 (MD)

ARLINGTON 2001 GIRLS RED (VA)
SAC PREMIER BLUE (MD)
LOUDOUN SOCCER 01G RED (VA)
ARIZONA AZSC THUNDER 01G BAYERN ELITE (AZ)

PREMIER SC NAVY (STRIKERS) (MD)
PENN UNITED FORCE '01 (PAE)
HFC READY 2001 (PAE)
VIRGINIA RUSH 01G (VA)


SHOWCASE II

GSA NORTH 01G PREMIER (GA)
MD RUSH MONTGOMERY RUSH '01G (MD)
FORT LAUDERDALE FC 01 GIRLS (FL)
UNITED MOUNT PLEASANT USA/MP 01 PREMIER I (SC)

SUNRISE STING 2001 X1 (FL)
VIRGINIA 01G VSA NPL ACADEMY (VA)
WEST COAST SOCCER KURSE (CAN)
GREAT FALLS AA RENEGADES RED (VA)

DELAWARE RUSH DE RUSH '01 (DE)
HAMILTON ELITE FC - ACADEMY AVALANCHE (NJ)
PINECREST PREMIER 2001-G BLUE (FL)
FC VIRGINIA UNITED ELITE 01 (VA)

MUTINY FC 2001 GIRLS BLACK (TXN)
C2CFL CELTIC FC FLORIDA 01/02 GIRLS WHITE (FL)
LAKE NORMAN SC 01 ECLIPSE ELITE (NC)
CYA COUGARS '01 PURPLE (VA)

Anonymous said...

EDP U17 2018

Division 1 (Top Division)

Baltimore Celtic SC Elite 01 Girls
Bethesda SC Storm 01
Clarkstown Soccer Club 2001 White
Delaware Football Club 01 Girls
FC Berna Legacy 01G Black
Lagrange Rage
New York Surf Soccer Club G01 Long Island Spark
PDA South Spurs '01
PDA Shore Fusion
Penn Fusion SA Pre Academy 2001
Penn United Force FC Crew '01-'02
Philadelphia SC Coppa Blue Storm
Princeton SA Premier Elite 01
Princeton SA Premier Elite 01 North
Reading Rage '01 Morgan
SAC Premier Blue
SUSA ELITE G01
SUSA ELITE WHITE 01
NJ Elite 2001G Flames
YMS Premier 01 Banshees

Anonymous said...

Saturday's outlook

Sky Blue - PDA U-16/17 1

FC Virginia U-16/17 4



PA Classics U-16/17 0

Washington Spirit Academy - Baltimore Armour U-16/17 2



Penn Fusion Soccer Academy U-16/17 5

Virginia Development Academy U-16/17 1



Washington Spirit Academy - Virginia U-16/17 1

Cedar Stars Academy - Monmouth U-16/17 1

Anonymous said...

12:27 (I am the 8:09 poster) You have a good point about the girls side having a true pyramid, and maybe it will just take a few years "flush out". My worry is the every changing landscape the girls side suffer through every two or three years. There's always a new set of letters on which a higher standard will be achieved and somewhat delusional parents hoping to achieve it, all while living vicariously through their daughter.
While the thought process of a pyramid and steps to higher levels of success is a perfect way to run our U.S Soccer Program, some clubs are better at running a pyramid scheme. Good posting back and forth with you 12:27. You proved your points well.
10:17 You really should just worry about coaching your team at PF and running the club.
MANY LEVELS OF D1??? REALLY? Two kids playing in college and nobody told me? Damn it!! I knew I should have talked to you first because you know everything!! Give some credit to the posters on this blog and pretend they know that already. Funny how you don't mention that to your players and parents when your telling them about their D1 opportunities. All butterflies and rainbows at those meetings.

Anonymous said...

11:47 - not a coach, not in this sport anyway, but good try. yeah, i've had kids through it as well. oh and i'm 10:27 too. the same poster you are enjoying the back and forth. so there's that.

Anonymous said...

just trying to share experiences and learning as well. i don't proclaim to be an expert. i save that for others.

Anonymous said...

8:09 did a great job. Agreed, 100%

Anonymous said...

1:26 I guess I enjoy the part of you that post with logic and probable numbers. The 10:27 post is and emotional post that comes from a parent that's either doing Tino's laundry or is a coach themselves. Good luck to your daughter the rest of the year and we'll see where this ends up around mid-April

Anonymous said...

Or a parent who just wants to teach kids respect for opponents. Maybe some parents can learn as well.
Well, gotta go fight the bad guys. I know posting can be rough, but there are other things much tougher.
Stay safe all.

Anonymous said...

PF definitely the big winner this weekend
Don't write off PAC just yet....

Anonymous said...

OK let's be real THERE ARE NO ATHLETIC FULL RIDES FOR WOMENS SOCCER
http://www.athleticscholarships.net/sports-scholarships/head-count-versus-equivalency-scholarships.htm

Head count scholarship sports are Football (DI FBS only), Basketball (DI men’s and women’s), Tennis (DI women only), Gymnastics (DI women only) and Volleyball (DI women only).

Granted probably very few girls may be able to swing the athletic/academic full ride but there are no full rides for soccer.

Anonymous said...

My friend was at a coaches meeting and mentioned a conversation she overheard. A coach was bragging how he used his influence and told ODP to NOT take certain players from his team or he will pull the club's support all together. He didn't want his stars to get hurt and instead made the kids think they were not good enough to make the team. He said parents spy and report who is at each tryout session. He also said that it is harder to collect GS points if you have too many ODP players because you get bumped up into harder flights at tournaments.

Anonymous said...

Sounds like your friend the coach should keep her mouth shut.
Did you tell her you were going to blog about it?
If a club is still chasing GS points, they are beyond help anyway

Anonymous said...

Hey 12:25 am; i'm 10:27. Exactly.
Just a parent who wants the kids to respect their peers, including opponents.
Thank you for your support! And thank you for keeping us safe.

Anonymous said...

12:25 - agreed.
sounds like a good (sic) club/team. let's not play tough competition to get better. sounds made up, i hope.

Anonymous said...

http://www.pennfusion.org/home/937372.html

So 65 out of 6000 players have been called into the USNT training.
1.08%

Anonymous said...

You realize the season hasn't started, right? They may have other ideas coming up. There will be id training camps from GDA like ECNL used to have.

Anonymous said...

I don't get the chirping, still. DA is the highest level of US women's soccer. And USSF is supporting it's product 100%.
EVERY NWSL game is advertising it; EVERY Sr. NT game is advertising it. End of story.

Anonymous said...

12:43
Perhaps you should read this again...here it is...read s l o w l y and you'll find that it doesn't say what you said.

"More than 92 percent of players selected to Youth National Teams in the 2016-17 cycle came from Academy clubs, and 65 players from the most recent Women's and Girls' YNT roster call-ups will feature in the Academy this season."

Anonymous said...

2:19,

I ain't no math wiz (Wish I could post the Calvin and Hobbes picture) but its smoke an mirrors on the numbers. There are 4 YNT girls teams at 20-25 players each (team not Training camp or pool). So at most 100 girls 92 % is being generous with 66 being the absolute traceable #. The point I so clearly made is that out of the 6000 girls registered in the DA program only 65 have made it to a YNT squad (historically)So basically 1.08 % of currently rostered players will make a YNT. Yes, possibly good training, and yes possibly D1 looks but don't promise steak and give me spam.

Anonymous said...

They will probably expand out the amount of invites for training camps and player pool looks. Otherwise, many kids won't want to make the commitment despite the high level training. They will go to trainers that fit into their schedules in their areas.

Anonymous said...

Did he say POSSIBLY D1 looks?

Whattttt?

Anonymous said...

I know. But, it's not worth trying to figure out. highest level; and some believe "possibly." can't help em. so, let it go. let it go.

Anonymous said...

OK Possible High D1 offers. the DA is just another money machine for the clubs. It's like buying into a good franchise. DA may be the chik fil A of soccer. But the local management and staff make up the final product. If US Soccer can manage down to the club level and not be all about marketing and product awareness then it will surpass ECNL. That was one of the reasons we left the ECNL, it was more marketing than substance for the $$. It was very Disney like in trying to wring every dollar out of your pocket. Lets see how tomorrow goes. Settle it on the field.

Anonymous said...

US Soccer is managing down to the club level. They are regularly visiting our clubs and are scouting players to call up. They are training our trainers and she is watching the progress her region. I know you all like to bash it, but it is working as advertised. Without a single game being played yet we already see great cooperation between the club and us soccer. We expect some growing pains the first year but it will only get better for the youngsters at the U14 and U15 level. At U17 it is a bit late in the game but we are hoping the DA will raise our daughters stock and hopefully level of scholarship $'s for the commit we already have.

Anonymous said...

5:37 WOW - You think players are playing for DA clubs and will turn down an invite to play/train in pools selected for NT players? More like many will not be invited. At this point spending extra money on training is a waste of time. That money should be going to ID camps of schools they want to attend if you are spending the money.

3:12 I agree with everything you said. Just playing in the DA is no guarantee. BUT, it is an advantage. The first question any soccer mind will ask a player after they say they play for a DA club is? You are on the DA team? If they say Yes then they think the player is exactly what they think a DA player is before they get to know the player. If they say NO, it's a little bit of a disappointment as they wonder why the player is not on the first team.

Anonymous said...

8:24 AM

3:12 here, I think your last statement is true but unfair to players. To me it is a lazy approach to think the DA emblem discounts anyone who is not a member. In my line of work there is the thought that if you graduate from a certain school or level of school the resume is scanned and the interviews are set, discounting the other candidates. But I have found that those not on the scanned list are sometimes a much better fit because they have worked through different circumstances to get to where they are. I see the same thing with a number of players, in many sports, that may not have taken the prescribed path but are the starters in college or even in the pros. Remember it's the fight in the dog not always the pedigree that wins.

Anonymous said...

If you do not have a D1 verbal by now, stop wasting time and money looking for one. Those rosters are already set baring an injury or academic ineligibility from their first choice. Being a walk-on is your only bet for a D1 without a verbal by U17. Most D1 schools are recruiting for their 2021 & 2022 frosh class now. Move your focus to a D2 scholarship or D3 grant money if you have the grades. I know it is hard to believe but if you don't have interest by now, little Susie is not good enough. If Susie is a star that everyone seemed to overlook. Have her blow up the D2 school scoring record and then transfer to the D1 holey grail next year.

Anonymous said...

9:49 I agree 8:24 here. It is a lazy approach. I'm not saying discounts - I'm just saying we are all human. And if given a fair opportunity it is the dog with more fight that wins. Youth Soccer isn't fair. Colleges are fair, problem is sometimes they fill their spots before they see the best candidates and that's just how it is. Like I said I agree with you but life isn't always fair.

9:52 interesting go to TopDrawer, Soccerwire, the Google document or the USYS Regional/Nation leagues or USYS Tournaments and you will see not to many 2019 have verbals and there are even less 2020s.
But you believe what you want.

Anonymous said...

9:52 only top level schools have completed their lists. And, even those are willing to look at a kid that is new to the scene and/or much improved.
But your suggestion about going to a jr college or DII and doing well and then considering a transfer isn't a bad option either. I know a kid that did that with jr college (family member was very ill and child wanted to stay close by). So, kid went to jr college, school/program was one of the top in country, had great coaching, great experience, took some classes and earned credits at bargain rate and then had DI offers. It worked out.
As the other poster noted and I totally agree, it's the fight in the dog not the pedigree. Enjoy the holiday weekend all.

Anonymous said...

10:23 - is the google doc still being used? maybe i am looking at an old one.

Anonymous said...

Some stats from an open source (USYS NL)

of the players with Verbals

42% are Midfielders
37% are Forwards
16% are Defenders
5% are Goalies

72% are 2019s
28% are 2020s

Schools
Binghamton University
Brigham Young University
Butler University
California State University, Fullerton
Central Michigan University
Clemson University
Eastern Washington University
Florida State University
Grand Valley State University
Illinois State University
Indiana University-Purdue University, Fort Wayne
Loyola Marymount University
Miami University (Ohio)
Northern Kentucky University
Ohio University
Saint Louis University
University of Arkansas, Fayetteville
University of Cincinnati
University of Florida
University of Kansas
University of Michigan
University of Missouri, Kansas City
University of Nebraska at Omaha
University of Toledo
University of Washington
Unlisted
Utah Valley University

Anonymous said...

Re: transfers from JUCO

Check the U of Florida transfer who came in from ASA (NY)

Mad highlight reel on Youtube - big stats - and voila!

It will be interesting to see how she develops

Anonymous said...

"......raise the level of scholarship $$ for the commits we already have"

So, this is how it works - you accept (COMMIT) a school's pitch - WITH a $$ figure attached, ------ then it can go up but likely not down?

Or are players acceptimg (COMMITTING) without any value to the scholarship at all?

Thanks. Any input appreciated from those in the know/in the process.

For I had read somewhere reputable that some players hold BACK on their commitment - hoping to get a HIGHER # (percentage) from the school.

Anonymous said...

9:52 AM

Why is that we see top schools still signing (giving commitments to) 2018s as well as 2019s?

Are you saying those announcements are fake news?

Fact is schools are still waiting on some 2019s..... and this puts other 2019s in a holding pattern at those schools (as in they may get an OFFER if the better player commits elsewhere)

Oh, yeah - and dont be such a turd, if you can help it.

Anonymous said...

7:43 it's negotiating. of course, some may hold back to try to up the ante, but it also can come back to haunt you.
as others have posted, coaches, just like the kids, are not just looking at one option. if there are a few recruits that are very similar all looking at a certain school and the school is interested as well, the school may take their offer off the table if another recruit accepts, first.
you have to do what works for you and your family. if you like the offer, why not take it? if you don't then table it and continue to look. but don't be surprised or saddened if they move on. it's a business; it not personal.

Anonymous said...

Good job by some the DA teams today, playing through the wet conditions and getting their games in. Just the beginning of a new path for a couple of these committed standouts.

Anonymous said...

Wow they were so good! They played in wet conditions! Nobody ever played a game in the rain before , really you can say that these girls are special. Lol just shut up.

Anonymous said...

'... a new path for a couple of these committed standouts." Not even sure what you mean. Are they all on the same path, only the committed one, or only a couple of the committed ones?

And yeah they played in rain. That's really impressive. what did you expect them to do, stay in the car and refuse to take the field? They played in rain, just like every other soccer team who has a game scheduled on turf on a rainy day. So impressive.

Free advice, don't post anymore, you're making a fool of yourself.

- DA parent, by the way.

Anonymous said...

9:42 You are such an angry guy. And who cares if your a DA parent? Does that make you special in some way or above other parents on here that are not? Your daughter may be special and a great player, you on the other hand are showing that you are a control freak and must be a real joy to be around. By saying "the beginning of a new path", I was talking about the few that might be able to take this all the way to a Women's National team berth. It was a compliment, but obviously you are very edgy right now need a hug from your wife and have a need for her tell you "it's okay dear". Why don't you stay away from the computer or you phone for a few minutes and go line up the towels perfectly in the bathroom or the soup cans in the kitchen. You may not be able to control your daughter's destiny like you wish, but those items you can.

Anonymous said...

9:42 you are right 100%.

Anonymous said...

Well look at that 9:42, your wife came on the blog to pat you on the back and give you a verbal hug. Now that you two are done with your lovefest.
Hats off to the talented players who waited their turn to get into yesterdays games and the parents that didn't bitch about it. Some of the players that were subbed in, actually received more minutes that the starters.
9:42 you don't know any parents that were grumbling on the side lines, do you? You know, the ones that seem angry all the time.
8:57 Be ready to jump in with another pat on the back and verbal hug

Anonymous said...

DA girls are really something else. So proud of them ! They played in the rain! The fields were wet but they didn't stop! Lol. And the parents are also special ! They didn't complain about the weather!
Wow I guess you really selected the special ones . Lol . Did cedar stars play?lol .

Anonymous said...

It was a typhoon type rain at times. I have seen play suspended in other games for this amount of rain; in particular in ECNL.
Not saying they deserve bravery medals, but it does make for dicey play.

Anonymous said...

I guess we found US Soccer's limitation as far as what it can control. The weather.
Refs were very good; a nice surprise.

Anonymous said...

Not sure how the Breakers and FC Stars game played out, but there were some seriously lopsided scores this weekend. Looks like it will take awhile for some coaches to figure out how to best use their talented players.

Anonymous said...

How did PA classics do? No score posted yet .

Anonymous said...

1-0 Spirit over PAC. Game was very even and very aggressive. It could’ve gone either way.

Anonymous said...

That 1-0 win is totally attributed to spirit's fees that are more than double that of classics...I think one of the spirit coaches even has an accent...:)

Anonymous said...

I think the pay is prorated by how heavy the accent is and how many words the players and parents can't understand.

Anonymous said...

Thanks for the updates, guys

I am going to guess that at least those 4 teams (PAC, Spirit - WAS, PDA and FC Virginia) will be competitive with each other.

We will wait and see on the others.

Anonymous said...

Agree with your assessment, all except for maybe PDA. PAC U19 team is really short on players and will constantly have to take better players from the younger team. I'm not sure how much it will hurt them as they do have a huge roster of 01/02s. If anything, it will mean more minutes and chances to shine for other players.

Anonymous said...

There absolutely are full scholarships. My kid has one and in fact the school is paying her (us) $5000 in "cost of attendance". Yes womens Soccer is a sport with 14 full scholarships to divide up among the players. But some get all paid and others none.

Anonymous said...

looks like some schools were decimated.

http://www.nj.com/hssn-mms/2017/09/which_girls_will_be_playing_ac.html

Anonymous said...

New question that no one addressed...where there any college coaches on the sidelines this past weekend?
I thought that was one of the draws of DA?

Anonymous said...

You'll rarely see any Colleges out at these games in the Fall due to their lengthy commitments with their own program.

Anonymous said...

true but this was part of the sales pitch at our club
many schools have multiple coaches, one of them can leave.
I guess you have to be part of the match that gda decides to stream live....
btw, the score of sky blue game is not true measure of the game as usual. game was very even back and forth, fc va looked good at times

Anonymous said...

8:43 PM

I am calling BS on this, if it is true please do not publish the school name as this is most likely an NCAA rules violation. She is not on a full athletic ride, most likely she qualified for additional grants that the coach was able to funnel to the program. My daughter is fortunate to have received scholarships and grants but there is an art to balancing a program across 4 years for a non-headcount sport, using a full ride (which if it exists is year to year) on a single player weakens the pool. Plus if it is all athletic money, whose to say the coach doesn't pull it her Jr. year to entice the incoming freshman.

Anonymous said...

8:43 and 10:55 did your kid have to register with the NCAA prior to being made these offers? Doesn't the NCAA have to determine they are eligible first?

Anonymous said...

12:26,

10:55 here, she did register via the clearinghouse.

Anonymous said...

Skyblue - pda supposedly posted video of the games on the web. You can watch the video and see if there are college coaches.

Anonymous said...

10:55 I with you on the bullshit call. Coaches are extremely clever at coming up with grant money combined with a scholarship money.

Anonymous said...

haha agreed. my older daughter was late to the sport and was actually playing a different sport as her primary but tired of it. when we were doing the college thing, some colleges actually created scholarships (supported by academics) to give her because some of their budgeted sports money was already allocated (i.e., a presidential scholarship; a citizenship scholarship; etc.).
So both combined worked as far as helping her expenses and out of pocket obligations. When she graduated, she had less than $12,000 in student loans for 5 yrs of college (red-shirted a yr), and a very nice degree from a very good school. My feeling, how ever the bean counters at the school arrive at the bottom line $$ works for me as long as the $$ works.

Anonymous said...

This weekend's scores:


Cedar Stars Academy - Monmouth U-16/17 2

Virginia Development Academy U-16/17 0


FC Virginia U-16/17 3

Washington Spirit Academy - Baltimore Armour U-16/17 1


Sky Blue - PDA U-16/17 3

Washington Spirit Academy - Virginia U-16/17 1


PA Classics U-16/17 0

Penn Fusion Soccer Academy U-16/17 4

Anonymous said...

..says a nobody.

Anonymous said...

Nope says, "Anonymous." Nobody is on a different blog. :)

Anonymous said...

Hey 4:06, give me your cell. I'll call you and introduce myself so we can be friends and not just "nobody"
Thanks

Anonymous said...

So many weak teams in this DA . Cedsr stars didn't even show their rosters . That is how bad they are .

Anonymous said...

Are they live-streaming another DA game this weekend?

Anonymous said...

7:49 Let me guess, your kid couldn’t make the DA? Don’t worry I’m sure she’s a high school soccer star. That’s not hard to accomplish this year.

Anonymous said...

The pompous asses are awake....

Anonymous said...

http://njsa.ussoccerda.com/sam/teams/index.php?team=3938600

Looks like a roster to me.

Anonymous said...

fake news is everywhere...

Anonymous said...

Nope - just hard to stay healthy, 7:56

Best to all the HS "stars" in their quest to stay on the pitch and continue (HS only or college) in a game they love.

Anonymous said...

8:43 PM

I am calling BS on this, if it is true please do not publish the school name as this is most likely an NCAA rules violation. She is not on a full athletic ride, most likely she qualified for additional grants that the coach was able to funnel to the program. My daughter is fortunate to have received scholarships and grants but there is an art to balancing a program across 4 years for a non-headcount sport, using a full ride (which if it exists is year to year) on a single player weakens the pool. Plus if it is all athletic money, whose to say the coach doesn't pull it her Jr. year to entice the incoming freshman.

September 6, 2017 at 10:55 AM

Dude you are just wrong. Are you aware that the Power 5 conferences have a certain amount of autonomy afforded them by the NCAA? They threatened to pull out and become independent association and the NCAA gave them some independence.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/power-5-leagues-pass-cost-of-attendance-proposal-dont-stop-there/

Two of the important decisions were to allow the school to "pay" a player the cost of attendance usually around $5000. The other was to guanrantee awards for 4 years hence I am not worried my child's scholarship and COA will be pulled because the coach wants to "pull it her Jr. year to entice the incoming freshman"

In complete answer to your ill advised "whose to say the coach doesn't pull it her Jr. year to entice the incoming freshman", my answer is the Power 5 LOA (letter of intent).

These types of offers are usually extended to top players in ninth or early 10th grade. Hence I am sure there are others who are aware they not only exist but are the fortunate recipients.

Don't go around spouting information you have garnered from your own small experience that does not apply to others in differing circumstances.

Its no NCAA violation to offer a full ride and COA. You clearly don't understand the rules that are specific to all Power 5 conferences. Read up and stop displaying your ignorance. Especially if you are polluting younger blogs.

Anonymous said...

My child's schoalrship is one of the 14 total allowed. Yes in soccer as in all equivalency sports they can divide up the scholarships if they choose to. In my kid's case they chose not to divide and gave her the coa. Some get 100% others get 0% and many get in between... We don't have to apply to financial aid or for any non athletic scholarships. She was offered this before she had a full year of highschool grades so no academics were considered. And she was offered more than 1...
Yes its unusual, but lower level power 5s frequently try and entice top players with these offers. They are less common in top 5 teams.

Anonymous said...

September 8 12:17 - and anyone else

I have a question

A team has 6 "commits" from the 2019 high school grad class.

They have 14 scholarships total to give. This is to cover freshman for 2023 college grad class, sophs (2022), juniors (2021) and seniors (2020). And the occasional 5th year player.

What do these girls have in hand with this commitment? A percentage guarantee, for committing? As in, for exxample - "we would like you to play for us and we can give you a 25% scholarship". Or, "we would love for you to play here and can offer a full scholarship plus a cost of attendance equaling $5000". Or somewhere in between.

If so..

Are you telling me that players with 2 years to go til college are COMMITTING when only given 25%? Do they commit to have this in hand, as a worst case scenario, then continue to seek other offers? I have also heard players commit and then negotiate the %, sometimes not signing on Signing Day due to this bartering still going on.

Does anyone know of an example of this?

What to do then.......if you get a Division 1 offer - very flattering in itself, but are not thrilled with the percentage. If you say NO, they may very well move on. If you say YES - should you still be looking - or should you get all the swag and hope for some reason you can get a percentage increase before actually signing.

Further - are there schools telling you they can give 25/33/50 % - and that you can still chase some academic money at the school as well?

Thus - at a 60K institution, you get a 50% "ride". You are at 30K, still a huge NUT. You see no way of being able to swing this. BUT........maybe your kid is a 1400+ SAT, 4.0 type. Are you COMBINING, always - the athletic WITH the academic? Are they awarded at different times - and by different divisions of the school - or deos the coach take care of finding the academic money based on your current GPA (which you'd need to keep up) and your current or target SAT? Could your 50% become 75, even 100%, while counting just as a 1/2 scholarship against your team's total?

I have been to a half dozen "college nights" given by top soccer clubs - and you know what - they never quite answer this.

Thanks

Anonymous said...

My daughter has the scholarship(s) you describe. Not sure how it is allocated as far as final breakdown. Coach put package together and gave us the info. It's a 95% scholarship, including books. I think they get their AD to come up with the formula and find the funds for kids they want.

She had several other offers that were full scholarships too so that may have helped but the schools were not what she wanted academically or location. Hope this is helpful.

I agree. Most of this is hush, hush. And each situation is different depending on HER wants and needs as well.

Anonymous said...

From the most part players at a D1 school often get academic scholarships thrown in so the Coach can give a bit less. I know of examples where it's 30% from the coaches budget and 30-40% due to academics. It's rare to have players who get a full ride just on the coaches budget.

Also if you say outright NO to an offer due to the money being offered then you'd better be certain your daughter is wanted by that coach A LOT. If not they will simply move on, they have long lists and will just keep ticking off players.

Anonymous said...

All this talk about Classics being the lesser of the PA teams and Penn Fusion wins 2-1. I said they don't have a better brand than PDA but they do have a better brand than Penn Fusion. Penn Fusion had the benefit of the ECNL brand helping with their recruiting gone is that advantage. Their worst night mare would be if Delco or Bucks also became GDA since they also have a better brand. But that's an 'IF this" game.

2:37 How do you not know how it's allocated? You let your kid agree to something without reading the fine print? Oh boy.

10:26 I agree I don't care if it's need based + merit + athletic as long as it adds up to 100% and the athletic piece can adjust if Family income changes and grades drop.

12:32 So you make good money and your kid doesn't have the grades? Every kid is considered for merit scholarships as a freshman.

What is this COA and how are they given out?



Anonymous said...

Not sure this is a true assessment. What I heard is that PF intentionally didn't play/stack it's team for these games. Reserves started or played entire game to get in the required GDA playing time and starting time. It 's a balancing act in GDA. Unlike other leagues all the players must get a percentage of playing time, including starting time.

Anonymous said...

7:59 - well the final amount works quite well. And, i'm quite satisfied. With a potential nut of $280,000 and our obligation of $14,000 TOTAL ($3,500 per year), i would say fine print is just fine.

Anonymous said...

10:38

They played their top scorers and mids (top D1 commits) the whole game. Nice try with the excuses.

Anonymous said...

10:38
That is so comical. I thought I wouldn't see these kind of posts again since U14 blog...

Anonymous said...

@10:38 - got it. so that's why time played is in the scoreboards. i thought it was to make it more official, but i guess it is also to make it trackable.
would be nice if the other leagues adopted the same rule. then clubs would have to step up their overall development game.

Anonymous said...

11:26 no excuses. that is what i was told. they had some change ups in positions; line ups and some kids didn't play entire game or see any playing time that normally would. think what you want.

Anonymous said...

Kudos to Classics for making a former ECNL playoff team sweat. This board owes you more respect than what’s been given obviously.

Anonymous said...

sure. hahahaha. sure.

Anonymous said...

11:38
why is it important to you or anyone what this board thinks? if the team feels good about it, then that is all that matters. they played a good game and are happy with their result. end of story.

Anonymous said...

Not important to me guy, amusing is a better word. Simply an observation since summer on this board. I like when an underdog makes trash talkers eat their words. Enjoy your day.

Anonymous said...

enjoy your's as well.

Anonymous said...

11:59 - who was trash talking? i don't see any post where any PF person was taunting or trash talking about the game. i think it meant more to classics. congrats to them. and some kids from the ECNL champs league team, if that is the barometer, aren't even rostered to play yet.

Anonymous said...

Half the ones you saw on the field will be sitting the bench come December. You will see a different game next season.

Anonymous said...

If you feel like searching back to pre season (summer), I do not, I’m sure you’ll find the trash talk I’m speaking of. As far as today I simply see excuses about lesser players taking to the field.

Anonymous said...

12:52
So the best players will take a breather after December?
WTH are you talking about?
Or are you admitting that PF has too many on the roster and will be joined by the HS players who were given a waiver to play both?

Anonymous said...

i'm simply making an observation of many rosters. there are some kids that are playing hs that will may make a difference. that's all. you can twist it as you wish.
and yes, these kids will get playing time too whether they come back top level players or not. I think that is how it is supposed to work.
i am sure classics will have to do this as well; unless they have been doing this already too. it's part of the deal.

Anonymous said...

1:03
no thanks. i'm new to this and don't have the time or desire to back track. i'll rely on your recollection.

Anonymous said...

1;18 I am not sure what you are saying? what do you mean a lot of kids? isn't the allowable amount 22-26? i am not saying that at all as far as some kids sitting after december. in fact some of the switches are happening so they don't sit in important or challenging games.

Anonymous said...

oh, i saw the 12:52 post. i'm not that poster. i don't agree with that; but all teams are different for sure. maybe some squads do have 1/2 their top team playing hs w/waivers. i have found a 50/50 split as far as private school kids (the waiver ones) still playing hs. it depended on their grade level it seems.

Anonymous said...

The players who are currently playing HS ball are all strong players. They will return to see major minutes and it will make a difference. Some playing now will see a significant drop in playtime. It’s the DA not rec soccer.

Anonymous said...

Regarding the college scholarship questions
Yes kids are accepting 25% or even less if its the school they want and that's what's offered. They can get low amount kids easily they are pretty interchangeable with large populations. Yes if you wait it may go to someone else. Sometimes they actually give you a deadline.

Its usually broken down into
1Tuition
2housing and food 9although all D1 athletes at least power 5 get free food now)
3books and fees
4Cost of attendance
The offer can be presented as 25%
That would generally be 25% of the costs of each of the top three and 25% of the payment to the student of the COA.

It could be we will pay 100% of tuition fees/books and COA and you pay the R&B
COuld be 100% of everything but we keep the COA for someone else who can use the cash.

Any need based financial aid counts as athletic scholarship. SO no kid who could qualify for 100% need based will get athletic money in an equivalency sport. Alternatively none of the merit scholarships count against the athletic amount. One of my kids got 100% athletic but then qualified for 50% merit by achieving a high ACT we essentially gave back 50% of the scholarship to use to attract another player.

The COA is calculated by each school. This year most of the power 5s were around $5000 but I heard a rumor it would go up to $7000 soon. That's good for us.

There is nothing in writing before the kid signs the legally binding LOI. However, it is VERY unusual for a college to back out of a verbal deal. A few years ago UNC pulled a NJ kids scholarship to get a "better" kid who didn't get into Stanford at the ninth hour. But that's UNC. Most schools realize they would get a black eye and spoil recruiting for some time if they did this. Most ADs take a different approach and at least honor senior commits when they hire a new coach. Sometimes a verbal for a younger kid is nullified when a new coach comes in figuring the kid has time to secure another offer.

Anonymous said...

2:14 - i think it's a team to team thing. i would not make a universal statement. i know some kids playing hs that will have a tough time when they come back. but there are definitely some that will fit right in.

Anonymous said...

3:31 - agree. there are some schools that have done that new coach and pulled scholarships of older kids. Kiids turned off as far as even visiting. Or force outs by not playing older kids. Same thing.

Anonymous said...

Thanks 3:31

As far as the NEED based dollars go.......

Say we qualify for 50% need based - then we are GOOD if the school offers 50% athletic. correct? The 2 dont affect one another?

For at a 60K institution, NEEDING 50% means they give 30

But that 60K was REDUCED to 30K by the athletic number. Would they adjust the NEED to 50% of 30K - and thus make us pay 15?

By the way, based on NEED we sit better going to an IVY -a s far as what we'd pay - given no athletic dollars. Many dont know this. If you can "WALK ON" (have that confidence) at an Ivy and are middle class - and can get accepted, this may be a great way to go.

Anonymous said...

just a suggestion. reach out to the financial aid department of the school that made the offer to your daughter. without giving too many specifics, ask them. they process the paperwork and would be able to help you with your questions.

as far as your ivy thing, she would need to be admitted and financial aid in place to be an enrolled student to even have the ability to walk on. she can get recruited to play at an ivy and the will evaluate all your paperwork as far as academics and finances.

there is no easy way around any of this. But saving some $$$ is worth it.

Anonymous said...

Well, yeah, I'd think the decision is made to attend the Ivy, and then to walk on if admitted. Helps of course if their staff is already familiar with you to some extent.

Fallback on not getting admitted is of course set up as well (safe school, second choice, etc) - and possibly even with a better soccer outlook.

Anonymous said...

The HS waiver varies uuugely club to club.
I'd hope it's bc of private schools/financial aid commitment etc...

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