Tuesday, October 10, 2017

U17 Girls Youth Soccer

U17 girls soccer takes no prisoners--they are well trained and fiercely competitive. 

Looking for stars in the making? 

Look no further.

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Anonymous said...

Explain to me how GFA is "left out" of NPL playoffs when they did not win their league and qualify? SUSA won their league and beat GFA easy.

Anonymous said...

Good luck FC Stars (region 1/MASS) in the U16 ECNL finals.

Anonymous said...

vs. FC Dallas (U16). Let's go Stars.

Anonymous said...

FS Stars are loosing 2:1 - http://www.ustream.tv/streamsports-101

Anonymous said...

yep, oh well. good run Stars. Finalist still not too shabby. Congrats!

Anonymous said...

Are DA rosters set yet?i keep getting emails from CS wanting my daughter to come to tryouts,there are offering us NC this season

Anonymous said...

They are accepting anyone on their 01/02 DA Team, injured players, anyone who will sign a check.
Already multiple players who had accepted a spot on the CS DA Team went to one practice and left club for another team. Their DA Team is very weak. They will lose the Girls DA after one year as they will be non-competitive.

Anonymous said...

NC?

Anonymous said...

CSA has not had a single DA practice yet. Roster has not been put out and no spots have been "officially" offered. They are having tryouts this week.

I understand you hate the DA or are trying to keep kids away from tryouts for some reason but why does the DA scare you so much to have to post lies?



Anonymous said...

kid probably not invited or didn't get a spot. sour grapes most likely.

Anonymous said...

The DA conversation is a little interesting I guess. This if for a couple of different age groups. I do not think my daughter applies to DA, but is it free really? Uniforms and league play? I think you just pay for travel, but not sure. Also give it some time as other teams continue to break up and eventually move to this program. And with only 2 per state, sort of like ecnl, it should eventually attract the top players.

Anonymous said...

It is obvious now that our coach deceived us because he was nervous that loosing players will hurt "his" team. Sad thing is our club has the other GDA team and he held our girls from even trying out. Needless to say we are on the lookout for another home. Development is a façade and only in name. The needs of the coach should not supersede the needs of the player. We would like to have at least been given an opportunity.

Anonymous said...

what do you mean he (coach) held girls from trying out? i think that would have been my clue that you gotta go, now. it's your money that pays the fees. you dictate how and where. remember that.

Anonymous said...

Yes, that is crazy that happens. But believe it. Coaches actually have the nerve to say to 14 year old girls. If you try out for another team take your card and leave. 14 year old girls. I agree that is a sign to leave immediately.

Anonymous said...

We didn't find out the tryout even happened until it was over...

Anonymous said...

Manalapan Mia Ham playing for free at cedar stars next year

Anonymous said...

I know quite a few players who were begged to play on DA teams, TWO years up, because clubs couldn't field teams. I'm not lying. These are people (at least 10) who I know personally. Unfortunately, they drank the juice. Side note: My players have been on the same team since U8.... are not ECNL or Academy.... so, I'm not one of these obnoxious, arrogant, psycho parents, trying to prove one is better than the other. I've said it before, they hate each other because they're literally watering each other down... and, in especially in PA, it's disastrous. Was already watered down. Oh well. I just sit back, on the same team, happy, satisfied, watching nothing else working... people pissed... players hopping from team to team..... changes made... and nothing working.... people pissed again.... players hopping again.... and on and on and on. So lucky to be where we are.

Anonymous said...

PA Classics has 9 kids listed on the 99/00 DA team. Guessing that's the team begging for players. You said disaster in PA what's up at Penn Fusion? They already had solid teams. Unless a bunch of kids fled the ship they should be fine.

Anonymous said...

1046 to what specifically do you refer on your comment that "nothing's working". Do you mean kids aren't happy? Do you mean kids aren't developing? Not sure what you mean. I can tell you for sure that in the ECNL -it's working for recruiting.

Anonymous said...

5:46
fyi, the website is constantly being updated. I wouldn't trust what you're seeing now. The '01 GDA is heavy with many girls playing both so there will be no issue.
PAC parent

Anonymous said...

10:46 - that's good for you and your family. rare to find a fit at u8. congrats!

U16 is such a critical year for exposure that is usually when you see the hopping around. that's what i found anyway. sometimes you have to hop to the place that works for you and your family. not every club or team works as far as dynamics, exposure, coaching, positional coaching, etc.

my kid is doing GDA and she can't wait for it to start. She likes her team and her club and coaches, too. I am looking forward to college, though. Just pack a bag and go watch. lol
cherish this, though. it's part of the journey.

Anonymous said...

Is the GDA free, or what is tuition, uniforms?

Anonymous said...

546 so there are 9 on age kids and the others are playups? Or are there kids that are added that aren't on it yet? If so about how many? Enough to complete a whole team? With half a team of playups they are going to get crushed. Are the play ups bottom roster 01s? If not they will also concede our 01/02 age group. Could get ugly at two ages. I would just keep the 01s strong and say well the 99/00 age is a waste this year anyway.

Anonymous said...

01 playups but not bottom roster. Should be competittive

Anonymous said...

how does that work? Are they game time rostered kids?

Anonymous said...

When you have to cheat to get into national championships, and the referee ignores the sideline ref calling for the foul......
https://1drv.ms/v/s!As3B_aAYUkgWg2dE19qflDtbQuSx

Anonymous said...

I cannot see what team that is. But that is a clear foul. You cannot truck the goal keeper when she is going up to get the ball. Know you can clearly see the black shirt defender pushing the white shirt player into the keeper. But her momentum to the ball was taking her there anyway. Clear foul, keeper would have caught the up ball. no goal. The center ref has to get in there and see that. But, here is the key for future. Put a baseline ref on each side of major matches and tournaments. perhaps semi finals, state cup semi's etc. it will not cost that much.

Anonymous said...

That's a great idea.

Refs make horrible calls all the time in every sport. Not saying all, I have seen some really good refs, but unfortunately too many bad ones and not enough good ones seems to be the norm. If the pros can't get good ones, how can youth?

Anonymous said...

I don't blame the player, it's the way they play and what they are instructed to do. I don't even blame the referee for missing the call. What is ridiculous to me though, is the fact that the assistant referee saw the foul, was waving his flag, and she flat out ignored him, didn't even go over and have a conversation as to what he saw. The goalie is buried into the goal with a player on top of her, your assistant referee is waving his flag, and all of that just gets ignored. It's sad to see at this level of play.....

Anonymous said...

ok, got it. You cannot see the ref in the video waiving flag. That is horrible the center ref would not confer on a goal. That should be waived off. My daughter is goal keeper. That is no goal. But agreed it is rarely called. I do believe center ref has to see that. I am surprised sideline did. But great call by sideline ref. If you have the baseline refs it would cost I believe about another $50-$75 per match? I think they are paid $25 each? That is what they do now in the pro's btw. And remember pro's now all have video replay. baseball, ice hockey, football for years. Why not soccer? Even a clear off sides that results in goal should be reviewed by video tape in college and up. Losing a title, or world cup because of missed off sides does not have to happen anymore. We have technology must use it

Anonymous said...

5:52 Yup. The recruiting is there. By "not working" I mean that so many things change from year to year... coaches coming & going, players team hopping constantly, different leagues being implemented, players being used (rather than developed) to get results. People are just so easily manipulated when they're told "your kid is now in the most elite place." What is ECNL anymore, with the DA now in existence? What will someone come up with next year? If recruiting stats are the basis for "success," I can tell you this, I personally know many players, who were recruited via ECNL, & went on to play college soccer. Most look back with regret, as the fun, loyalty, bonding & playing together to win (not just to showcase yourself) were not prioritized within the ECNL atmosphere. Years of what the sport was supposed to give them, were lost, and for what? Ya got recruited to play for 4 more years, which could've happened anyway. (Not a salty parent of a player who was cut. I have two playing mid level D1 on partial scholarships & others playing National League). This is not meant to insult anyone. As a former soccer player, it just makes me sad to see the sport & kids' love for the sport, being exploited.

5:46 oh, it's at Penn Fusion too. For example, the '00 DA team basically took anyone, even had to put '02's on the team. Point is, DA didn't quite work out the way they thought it would. Sure there are the PAC & PF players on the rosters who are holding political spots. There are just so many top players who wanted no parts of it. It is what it is.

Anonymous said...

12:15 The center ref was approximately 17 years old. Ridiculous.

Anonymous said...

Well what the heck GDA? The big known problems of the ECNL - too much money and too much travel wee given lip service and then not addressed at all. If anything this league seems to have increased travel. Thanks anyway.

Anonymous said...

I am really tired of the DA verses ECNL argument. No side will win until it all shakes out in the next few years. Our kids will be in college by the time a consensus is reached. Both leagues will bring scouts and both choices are good for our U16s. No big changes to recruiting will come in next 2 years. Scouts will use their time the way they see best and it will take time for them to see what league has a better payoff. The only looser will be whoever's showcase got bumped off the bottom to make more time to go to these new events. Every comment in the next few years is just speculation, even mine. We have to wait for the facts and see how the younger kids make out. They are the only ones this will really win here. The my team is better than your team crap is just boring. With the way kids are jumping from team to team the focus is less on the team and more on the player.

Lets talk about those chair tents parents are sitting in during games now. Are the silly or smart?

Anonymous said...

12:32
you would be incorrect. first of all, it's not 00 anymore. so you have zero clue. the 19/18 team is 00/99 age group.

And, PF as well as others are loaded with kids within and outside the club as well who are very good. Btw PF 00, 01 and 02's made championship league in ECNL. So, already starting with good bones. And the 99's returning are high level, too. They should be just fine.


Anonymous said...

also, they have a pre academy team that they will be pulling from as well also which has very good players on it.

so, if many didn't want any part of it, why wasn't there a mass exodus? There wasn't. The higher level kids all stayed.

Anonymous said...

All of that aside, i agree, this isn't a DA vs. ECNL argument. It's a wait and see how they both fare. There are a lot of kids that play soccer anymore and a lot of $$ in it. I expect there are enough of both to keep all the leagues relevant.

The focus should be on correcting the ref situation in all the leagues, including boys and girls. there should be an age range for championship games (not too old and not too young). They need to be able to run with the play and yet have the experience to know the calls, too. There are enough other games for those outside of those ranges. It's a safety issue too. If the ref can't keep up or is too young, the games tend to get out of control and that is when kids get hurt. The #1 concern should always be the safety of the players.

Anonymous said...

Can't word it that way. The league will have an age discrimination lawsuit against them quicker than you can say "hand ball."

They can however require a fitness test like the pros do.

The ref problem is all of the crazy soccer moms/dads yelling at the ref all game long. This behavior is pushing all of the young inexperienced refs out of the water and pool size is smaller and only getting older.

Our assigner does a great job of only putting experienced crews on higher level games but the U8 psycho parents think every game is the world cup and we can't retain new refs to feed the system.

Anonymous said...

Didnt look like a U8 game that the egregious non call was made in

We all pay good money and deserve better - sorry

Shame on the tournament coordinators. There needs to be more of a presence to oversee matches at the highest level in these events.

Referees work for the administrators - and need to be held to a higher standard, no matter the age.

I am not talking about an offsides call/non call that is on/off by a whisker. But the noncall as referenced above. The non use of yellow/red cards (are they even trained on what they should be used for? Not so sure). etc, etc.

Anonymous said...

11:38 ok. 00/99. Whatever the label, they had to pull younger kids as well as mediocre (at best) outsiders. And, I know very good players in multiple age groups who jumped ship. All just tired of the constant changes, politics & being fed BS.

As for the refereeing, that's a great idea... fitness tests. Too many times we've seen overweight tired old refs who believe it's their job to stay within the circle. As mentioned above, no way is it fair to have a young, clearly inexperienced ref for a regional semifinal game. With female youth soccer basically being a full contact sport at this point, they should also make some rule changes... at the very least, not allowing a player to foul as often as she wants, with no repercussions. These referees too often pull players aside for "a talk" or warning. They're not 7 years old, learning the rules. They know exactly what they're doing. Blatant intentional foul? Make her sit the bench for 5 minutes, watching her team play a man down. Watch the number of concussions drop drastically. These girls laugh at yellow cards.

Anonymous said...

Right. It'll takes a few years for the dust to settle, if it gets the chance, before the next best thing comes along.

Anonymous said...

7:02 and PAC coach. You can update that roster all you want, it isn't going to increase the talent level or speed of the players on your current DA teams. The fact that your 01 classics team was crushed by the 02's in a tourney last weekend, is just a slight indication of the issues that you are facing. Please don't give us some injury excuse or how great the 02 team is, the bottom line is its going to be a tough year or two for your girls. Your club will be walking a razors edge between convincing parents of the viability of Classics DA and or becoming the FC Bucks of the DA.

Anonymous said...

A no-call on the keeper getting plastered and then the other team scoring happened in the USYS National Championships last year. Check out this video starting at 43:15: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BmvPbQbXCI&t=5071s

You would think at high-level events, the organizers, ENCL or USYS, would attempt to have competent officials, but they don't.

Anonymous said...

12:15
agreed the language would be different, but the outcome the same.
refs are assigned field/games. an age discrimination claim would come if they had no opportunities for games. there are plenty of other matches. the prongs for age discrimination are clear. And as long as you have the same work opportunities and the same pay (other matches not championship ones), it's good. And, since there are many other matches to ref at the same rate, they would.

And these are not employees. The are independent contractors, generally. Treated differently under the law.

Anonymous said...

12:54
once again. you are incorrect. you probably thought they (PF) would not go just GDA, either. Who does that when the $$ maker is in the ECNL, right? Well, they were first in the ECNL when others didn't believe, either.

whatever you want to believe, you will so no sense going back and forth with a what i know vs. what you believe.

have a great summer.


Anonymous said...

142 I wonder what club you coach

Anonymous said...

sounds like a disgruntled PAC parent, actually, maybe from the 01 team. didn't like what happened vs. the 02 team.

Anonymous said...

8:18 Why would there be a disgruntled PAC parent out there? PAC basically awarded DA spots to anyone that would show up. If a parent is upset about their daughter not making the DA, then it was their own fault for not bringing her to at least one tryout or practice (or sending a recent photograph of their daughter holding a soccer ball).
PAC's leadership at the top is very good, unfortunately there's a huge drop off after that and PAC doesn't have the PF or PDA name to carry them through.

Anonymous said...

9:39
Tino is that you ?

Anonymous said...

The irony of 1:42 statement is that there are as many 01s as 02s on the gda team for the fall.
Definitely disgruntled
Seems like they didn't put any inportance on that game at the tournament.
They had a 0-0 tie their next game.

Anonymous said...

Goodness people!!! Give the girls a chance...the gda didn't even begin yet!!

Anonymous said...

now 5:53 sounds like a PAC parent.

Anonymous said...

Because I am

Anonymous said...

I thought I was .

Anonymous said...

No, I am.

Anonymous said...

What about me?

Anonymous said...

DesCartes--I think I'm a PAC parent therefore I am

Anonymous said...

Acknowledging you have a problem is the first sign that you are on the road to recovery. Good luck and get some ointment for that PAC thing. :)

Anonymous said...

@5:53 0-0 last game was actually not played so it was recorded as so.

Not many would argue the 02's had a very good team but the 01's have a handful of strong players too. Results are going to depend on what they do with the best 01's. If they keep them U16/17 that will be a competitive team despite what some say on here. If they put the best 01's up at U19 then it will obviously hurt the U16/17's. Most I'm sure are hoping they focus on making the U16/17's competitive.

Anonymous said...

Wait what? NOT played but ended as 0-0 and recorded as such?

Anonymous said...

11:26 Game was not played because Rage had wrapped up the tournament by winning the previous game. Unfortunately do to the scheduling times, Rage would have had to play the next game with less than an hour's rest. Classic officials realized there could be a potential for injury and in a classy move by them, called it a tie.

Anonymous said...

11:35 Integrity of the game my friend. Tournaments use results to determine flights - while this might not be an issue for the two teams it is a "FAKE" result. One should have forfeited or the result should not have been recorded.
Either way the tournament should have done better with their scheduling.

You can spin it as being nice and that's okay. But posting a FAKE result speaks to the integrity of the game no other way to look at posting a FAKE result.

On to some results. SUSA who won the NYCSL NPL finally gave up their 1st goal in NPL action that's 9 league games and 4 Final games.

The 2017 NPL Final
South Shore Select U16 AP
vs
SUSA G01 NPL

Other 2017 National Champions (note ECNL and NPL are league titles and are not open events to crown a true national champion, National Cup is the premier US Club National Title)

FC Dallas ECNL U16 (TX) - ECNL National Finals Champion
BAC Blitz (VA) - USYS 2017 National Presidents Cup Champion


Still to be played:
#####################################
National Cup XVI Finals
Westfield, IN

Group A
Princeton SA G01
South Shore Select AP
FC Boulder 2001 Girls Elite
Soccer Vision Academy 01G

Group B
FC Copa Academy G01 Black
Massapequa NPL 01 Cosmos
Seacoast United G2001 NPL

Group C
Indiana Fire Juniors
Pittsburgh Riverhounds
REV Academy Black
#####################################

2017 USYS National Championships
Frisco, TX

Group A
Legends FC 01 Academy (CA-S)
Greater Binghamton FC (NY-W)
Florida Elite 2001 Elite (FL)
Nationals Union 01 Black (MI)

Group B
SLSC Cosmos 01 Lawless (OK)
Celtic FC Premier SA (UT)
CUP Gold 01 (OH-S)
Michigan Jaguars 01 Green (MI)

Anonymous said...

How did Massapequa and Princeton get into a national at U16?

ALSO RANS to SUSA in NPL play

I am sure STA would have loved to go (they tried to get in via Mid Atlantic but lost out - on a tough tiebreak)

Did this tournament just allow Massapequa and Princeton in because they asked?

Some shady dealing going on along with what Stallions did at U17

Anonymous said...

Shady? Why? Princeton won us club soccer New Jersey cup and qualified for national cup. Good or bad event everybody can judge that but their partecipation is legit . " because they asked" lol what a stupid statement

Anonymous said...

7:38 Integrity of the Game? So if a player sustains an injury while playing a meaningless game and loses their junior season, its okay because the integrity of the game was salvaged? I do agree the scheduling was the real issue, but least at least give PAC credit for doing the correct thing.
Sorry if my post is a little dramatic, but whenever I hear integrity being applied to anything involving club soccer, I have either laugh or cringe.

Anonymous said...

7:38
if ECNL can't participate in the posting you recorded, it's not a TRUE national champion either as not all leagues are participating. #dipstick

Anonymous said...

Also ECNL teams are forbidden from participating in any other event that has a national championship title other than ECNL.

But, we have shown already that the other leagues have the opportunity of trying to get a national title other multiple ways. You can get in by winning regionals, being a wildcard and/or winning your state cup and/or finalist. Several bites at the same apple. Plus the multiple other ways, President's cup, US Club, Turkey Hill, etc.

It seemed like you tried to diminish the ECNL event by saying it's a league championship. USYS is the same; except multiple ways to get in.

NPL can participate in the USYS events so those teams have multiple ways as well.

I'm not trying to wave an ECNL flag as it being the end all be all or trying to minimize the USYS national championship(s) at all, but don't diminish the accomplishments by saying ECNL it's just a league championship. It's a top tier league national championship, too.

Anonymous said...

whoops forgot, good luck to all those Region 1 teams participating.

Anonymous said...

11:35 and 7:38
This should've been a forfeit 3-0
BS on integrity and being "nice"
Thanks PAC coach

Anonymous said...

9:25 PM

I think you forgot that State Cup champs attend nationals. This would explain Massapequa and Princeton.

Anonymous said...

Not sure why so sensitive over 1 single game being recorded as 0-0 when. Other teams would have agreed to it. If you step back and look at the big picture 1 game over the course of a season does not move the dial. So we agree that the right thing was done for the safety of the players.

Anonymous said...

Then why schedule a 4 game bracket tournament with advanced notice?
If you're concerned about injury....

Anonymous said...

1:21 Stop cluttering up this blog with common sense post and leave room for irrational thoughts.

Anonymous said...

9:02 How do we know it's only one result? Just proves that they would report FAKE scores.

Anonymous said...

There are some people here in serious need of meds or just a reality check. Starting with 7:38.

Anonymous said...

This just in. It turns out the Russians convinced PAC to report the score as 0-0 and were caught sneaking into 7:38's home and stealing all his meds. I am not a fan of PAC, but in this case they absolutely did the right thing.
3:26 I am hoping your post was not a serious post (reporting fake scores). Don't you think if they were going to report fake scores, they would post ones that would help their cause? The tournament win gives Rage the first place ranking in PAE, it would make Classics the worst cheaters since Nixon.

Anonymous said...

None of the PF starters left PF. You guys are delusional. The younger kids they put up are simply in a holding development pattern because there were openings for roster spots 20-22 on the 99/00 team. They will likely be contributors on the 02/03 team the following year. Yes most seniors aren't going to leave their existing team and give up high school for one year of DA. Especially to jump onto a team with an well developed top 15 or so. That is not an indictment of the GDA. Simply a growing pain. The developmental opportunity was thought to be better than the 01/02 Preacademy team for those on the bubble for 01/02 academy. Credit PF for creative thinking. To add emphasis one of the 99/98 PF ecnl kids went to PAC because she would have struggled to see the field on PF. At PAC she can be in the starting 11.

Anonymous said...

No one cares about PF . If your kid is that good they would be at PDA !

Anonymous said...

4:11 Did you read that directly from Tino's email he sent you or do take all of his dictation for PF?

Anonymous said...

Lol
Apparently people do care about it since they are posting misleading and inaccurate information about the PF GDA. Probably doing this to make themselves feel better about their own children's (or more likely their) soccer club choices. Soon it will be clear how bad PAC is compared to PF. PDA will not be dominant in the GDA if they were even so in the ECNL. Anyway most at PF are as least an hour or more to PDA. Different market.

Anonymous said...

This was my first experience with the NPL finals and I could not be more disappointed. How they arranged brackets so teams would win with such large goal differences was nuts. Next you have refs that let players re-enter the game when it is clearly against the rules. This would never happen in ECNL.

Anonymous said...

That's because no one cares about the No Potential League. Hopefully your daughter tried out for one of the GDA teams and made it. If so, you'll be treated to close hard fought games with high play level and strict adherence to the rules. The only time games might be lopsided is when teams play PAC teams, then it will look like the varsity playing the JV (hopefully PAC will catch up in a few years).

Anonymous said...

PF is only as good as the players they recruit . Soon the best players from Harrisburg, Lancaster and beyond will be going to PAC instead of PF, so the the PF well will then run dry . All good things must come to an end , sorry PF !

Anonymous said...

3:54 - what 1st place ranking did Rage receive? Is this Got Soccer stuff again? News flash GSP is fake.

Anonymous said...

Can you move on from this my kids club is better than your kids club please? Sorry I refuse to drive my child over an hour to a slightly better DA club when I have one 10-15 minutes from my house. It's called quality of life. All DA teams will be seen by scouts from all over the country. Players who are seeing field time for any DA club will be just fine! If Club X wins more games, well pin a medal on you! I could give two shits as long as my kid is playing well on the field and scouts are watching. I hope your kids are seeing the field and doing what they love because after all this is all for them. Right?

Anonymous said...

12:04
There is a reason why kids went from those areas to PF in the first place. Success. And, PF has high level players from many other areas and states as well. Don't think anything will come to an end.

Anonymous said...

And, 12:29, spot on!

Anonymous said...

PF parent,

Go to bed. Those dreams where you are running around the soccer field with your daughters jersey on are awaiting you....

Anonymous said...

A mother was making a breakfast of fried eggs for her teenage son.

Suddenly the boy bursts into the kitchen.

"Careful! CAREFUL! Put in some more butter! Oh my goodness!

"You're cooking too many at once. TOO MANY! Turn them! TURN THEM NOW! We need more butter. Oh my!

"WHERE are we going to get MORE BUTTER? They're going to STICK!

"Careful! ... CAREFUL! I said be CAREFUL! You NEVER listen to me when you're cooking! Never! Turn them! Hurry up! Are you CRAZY?

"Have you LOST your mind? Don't forget to salt them. You know you always forget to salt them. Use the salt. USE THE SALT! THE SALT!"

The mother stared at him. "What's wrong with you? You think I don't know how to fry a couple of eggs?"

The son calmly replied, "I just wanted to show you what it feels like when I'm trying to play soccer."

Anonymous said...

okay 12:29 what would you like to talk about? spotlight is on you

Anonymous said...

12:29 or coach mike (which ever you prefer). Saying that PF is a slightly better club than PAC is like saying the Patriots are slightly better than the Browns. PAC has no track record on the girls side what so ever, and while PF does not have the college draw PDA does, it's years ahead of PAC.
At least colleges coaches attending will get to see the attributes of your defensive players and the keeper, so that be a real plus for the first couple of years.
5:59 Seems like someone left your eggs frying in the pan way too long. Maybe on your team parents are like that, but not on ours and most of the teams we play I never hear that either (but there is sometimes that one parent). Sixteen year old girls just don't tolerate it very well.

Anonymous said...

PAC actively dissuaded the best girls from staying. They had some great kids years ago. Most went to PF but if PAC had offered a decent product, they probably would have stayed. All resources poured into boys. Didn't allow girls to benefit from the boy's success. Little girls who should have been integrated into the boys programming for optimal development were denied. Denied to protect the boys program. Didn't want boys mommies to complain about the little girl in the group who would potentially school her little boy and scar him for life. Now they want a girls program. May succeed due to geographic advantage, but maybe not if the product remains garbage.

Anonymous said...

If the club is so superior PF dude just relax. Why the constant attack on PAC? I'm sure no players will ever leave PF and I'm sure no girls from PAC will get college offers. PAC should just forfeit all games because offense will never touch the ball, we get it. Feel better?

Anonymous said...

They JUST got the DA. It's the start of great things for the club! Give it a chance to start up before you (for whatever reason) feel the need to criticize! Of coarse a DA club that was ECNL last year has an advantage. Give it time. I agree with the poster who asked the PF person why they are on the attack non stop here. Why? I sure hope your kid is top 11 on her team. If not, I just feel bad for you, you'll have to up those meds.

Anonymous said...

12:39
funny comment. checked in after my shift ended. it was a good night. not too much crime.
anyway, thanks for thinking of my well being. no, i dream that my family remains safe even off the soccer field.

Not a PF parent. Just stating the obvious and agreeing with a good post; how we should just support the kids and stop trying to one up each other.

These are kids that are not running the streets at night and getting into trouble or trouble finding them. They have parents that care about them. Sometimes over the top parents, but still caring. Stay involved, stay connected. be grateful that your only complaint is soccer related.

Anonymous said...

and 5:59 - great post.

Anonymous said...

Steve!!! Is that you??

Anonymous said...

With only the USYS NCS and USC NationalCupleft to be played.
Below are our Region1 top 10s.

GDA
38.97 FC STARS OF MASSACHUSETTS ECNL (MA)
38.60 BOSTON BREAKERS ACADEMY ECNL (MA)
37.57 PENN FUSION SA ECNL (PAE)
37.56 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY ECNL (NJ)
37.04 FC VIRGINIA ECNL (VA)
36.79 OAKWOOD SC ATTACK NPL (CT)
36.24 WORLD CLASS FC ECNL (NYE)
35.56 NEW YORK SC ELITE NPL (NYE)
35.26 PENNSYLVANIA CLASSICS ACADEMY (PAE)
34.76 EMPIRE UNITED SA ROCHESTER (NYW)

ECNL
38.95 MCLEAN YS ECNL (VA)
37.10 FC BUCKS ECNL (PAE)
37.02 BETHESDA SC ECNL (MD)
36.87 CONNECTICUT FC ECNL (CT)
36.63 MATCH FIT ACADEMY FC ECNL (NJ)
36.56 ALBERTSON SC ECNL (NYE)
36.31 RICHMOND UNITED SC VA ECNL (VA)
36.30 FSA FC ECNL (CT)
36.14 BRADDOCK ROAD YOUTH CLUB ELITE ACADEMY (VA)
36.07 FC BOSTON SCORPIONS ECNL (MA)

NPL
37.21 SOUTH SHORE SELECT FC AP (MA)
36.63 SUSA FC NPL (NYE) *** 2017 NPL Champion ***
36.46 PRINCETON SA NPL (NJ)
36.08 FC STARS OF MASSACHUSETTS NPL (MA)
35.93 NJ WILDCATS FURY NPL (NJ)
35.77 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY NORTH NPL (NJ)
35.49 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY SOUTH NPL (NJ)
35.48 NEFC BBA NPL (MA)
35.11 BAYSIDE FC BOLTS NPL (RI)
35.11 MATCH FIT ACADEMY FC NPL (NJ)

ERL
36.79 GREATER BINGHAMTON FC SELECT (NYW)
36.09 PREMIER SC NAVY (MD)
36.09 UNITED FC 1776 XTREME (PAE)
35.99 FURY SC ATHLETICA (WV)
35.91 ARLINGTON SA RED (VA)
35.85 FC FREDERICK (MD
35.77 LEHIGH VALLEY UNITED BLACK (PAE)
35.50 NJ STALLIONS ACADEMY FREEDOM NPL (NJ)
35.44 BEADLING SC ELITE (PAW)
35.40 CENTURY V SOCCER GOLD (PAW)

EDP non NPL
36.61 SJEB RUSH (NJ)
35.93 SUSA FC ELITE (NYE)
35.66 NJ ELITE FLAMES (NJ)
35.46 SJEB RUSH PREMIER WHITE (NJ)
35.30 FC BERNA LEGACY BLACK (NJ)
35.28 NEW YORK SURF SC ACADEMY (NYE)
35.22 PENN UNITED FORCE FC (PAE)
35.07 WEST WINDSOR PLAINSBORO MERCER FC SPURS (NJ)
34.95 CALVERT ELITE SC (MD)
34.95 HARLEYSVILLE FC READY (PAE)

Anonymous said...

Where did NY Surf -a first year team, get their 35+ rating from?

Anonymous said...

Its clear that Mass has the best soccer around,maybe you people from PA and NJ should drive the 5 hours

Anonymous said...

1;17 forget about gotsoccer and the way teams accumulated points.
Their 35+ rating is from their result Goal differentials vs the teams they played.

For example if they played a team that was a 37 and lost by more than 2 their score will drop or if they play a team that was a 33 and they win by 1 their score will go down.

From the above list states with teams over 36.

5 MA
4 NJ
4 VA
3 CT
3 NYE
3 PAE
2 MD
1 NYW

Anonymous said...

What number does a team start at?

Sorry - you havent completely explained it.

Did Surf LI take over someone's ranking?

Thanks

Anonymous said...

Looks like NY Surf LI started last summer and accumulated a rating from then on. We have played them , very fast , patient team with a lot of ball control.

Anonymous said...

every team started with the same number and then based on your results and the teams that you played their results the scores is dynamic and it updates. Your question is for the guy who made the tool. I can tell you how it works.

Team a is a 35 and team b is a 35.
Team A wins by 2 goals so team a would move up to a 37 and team b will be 33.
Team A play team C who is a 35 and wins by 2 their score remains at 37 and team c drops to a 33.
Team B plays team C and wins by 2 goals team be goes up to 36 and Team C drop to 31. Since C dropped to 31 and team A only beat them by 2 goals when they are a 37 their score will also be adjusted to a lower number.

My guess is everyone started with the same ranking and then adjusted itself as they played games. The number of games means nothing the results are everything

Anonymous said...

So everyone started at 35?

Anonymous said...

I have no idea what everyone started with. All I know is that their score is dynamic based on their results and the results of all the teams they played.
No bonus points for the amount of games you played or winning a flight. Just how you did vs the teams you played and how those teams did vs the teams they played.

This was a special year everyone started the same. I'm sure every age group had a starting point. What that starting point is or was is any ones guess.

I love the tool, loved GS before but love this site even more.

Anonymous said...

Right

But it MATTERS how many points you had to start. That's my point.

I will also ask - how does a team with a 33+ rating gain points if never flighted vs 35-36-37 point teams?

System is just as flawed as GotSoccer

Anonymous said...

You have to beat teams by large margins to climb your teams ranking (score) higher. Ex if you only play teams below a 35 score but beat them by a large margin(6-1, 5-0, 8-1, 4-0 etc) your score could continually rise past 35 or 36 etc.

Anonymous said...

5:49 I agree. I don't think it matters where you start if everyone started from the same point. It also looks at the scores of the teams you beat 5-0 or 6-1 if they improve your score will increase without playing a game or it will decrease if their score goes lower.

10:11 like 5:49 said look at Rage at their 2017 Flash Tournament
LOWER MERION SC SPRINGBOKS (U17) 8 - 1 28.55 (no change)
WEST SCHUYLKILL FC ATHLETICA (U18) 7 - 0 29.61 (no change)
WEST SCHUYLKILL FC ATHLETICA (U18) 5 - 0 29.61 (decreased)
SOUTHERN CHESTER COUNTY SA DRAGONS 9 - 0 29.71 (increased)

and at the EDP Cup Spring Showcase 2017
NJ ELITE FLAMES 4 - 3 35.58 (no change)
SJEB RUSH 1 - 2 36.54 (no change)
STA SOCCER MORRIS UNITED NPL 3 - 1 34.74 (no change)

when I say no change I mean it changed by a small margin

Looks very accurate to me.

When rage played weak teams they slayed them however when they played teams close to them the scores were close.

Where are the flaws?

Looking at Surf during the EDP Spring 2017 the team which generated the question.

NEW YORK SC ELITE NPL 1 - 2 35.53 (no change)
CAPITAL UNITED SC BLUE FORCE 4 - 3 34.41 (no change)
ALLEYCATS SC NPL 5 - 3 33.77 (no change)
BEACHSIDE SC CT 6 - 2 32.83 (increased)
RAMAPO VALLEY SC TORNADOS 1 - 0 32.98 (decreased)
NEW YORK SURF SC LONG ISLAND SPARK 4 - 2 34.22 (no change)
SOUTH CENTRAL PREMIER SPIRIT 3 - 0 33.81 (increased)

Anonymous said...

The flaws I have found are that not all games are listed with respect to some teams. Some teams have truncated lists (not not all inclusive) and some don't. And some teams are in there several times under different names for the same team. For instance, some teams may have a rating using their acronym (with some games) and then their full name (with some others). So, in a perfect system, there would be one name, the correct full team name and all the games listed thereafter.

It's not perfect at all but, it's better than GSP.

Anonymous said...

Most ranking systems are flawed. Just look at NCAA Football. Never and issue there !!??

Rule of thumb, if your team is in a league and your record reflects that you have more wins than losses based on the teams you play in your league then you are ranked. Comparing against other leagues is speculative because ECNL won't play non-ecnl teams and I am sure that the DA teams will not play ECNL teams. If I say that my daughter plays on the #1 ECNL team in her division someone will counterpoint that it is a weak division If A) THey are not and ECNL parent or B) THeir daughter plays for an ECNL team in a different division. If I say my daughter plays on the top team based on GSP a different parent will counterpoint that GSP gets it wrong, or my daughters team hunts points by playing too many tournaments and getting seated lower.

Bottom line is that there are regional teams with great players that are ranked in the top 10 across multiple services, if this is true you can consider them the top 10 teams in the region. There are also teams with good reputations that are always being vilified by the have not's (get over it). If you can get your daughter to be a starter on one of those 10 teams great, if not, have fun and make sure your daughter does as well. trying to figure out why team a is ranked higher than team b or why they flipped after a weekend when they didn't play is ridiculous. Make sure your daughter is chasing HER dream, and you are not having her chase yours.

Anonymous said...

12:01 which 2001 teams don't have all their games and are listed multiple times, you must be from a different board? The ECNL teams have ECNL and non ECNL results?

Sticking with Rage and Copa as they are the perfect examples.


RAGE #1 PA team when it comes to GSP played in 11 events YSR has them as #5 (7-4 with 5 ties vs teams over 35 a good team but not #1 in the state #5 might be right).

COPA #2 NJ team when it comes to GSP played in 15 events YSR has them as #13 (clearly benefits from playing in a lot of events 3-11 with 4 ties vs teams over 35)

SJEB #1 NJ team when it comes to GSP played in 11 events YSR has them as #3 (the #1 Non-ECNL team - GSP or not they play a bunch of games and their results support their ranking)

12:26 why is it ridiculous? What's wrong with being a fan of your kid's team? What's ridiculous is posting we had 80 coaches at our kid's game. If any of them were invited by your kid great have fun I agree. When they go to college and play there are rankings why is that okay to follow and these aren't? It's all the same we all support our kids and some of us like to have a little fun while we sacrifice so much of our time making sure our kid has fun drive all over the place and pay for many mini vacations. How about you do you and the people that like rankings will do that

Anonymous said...

12:26
why the tirate? maybe get some water and get out of the heat.

to the best of my knowledge, the NCAA (your example) does not have teams posted twice as one poster noted. that's a pretty big flaw.
And, agreed, the way college football bowl invitations are given is flawed. And there are many, many more youth soccer teams than NCAA teams in any one division.

these systems (the youth soccer) are trying to include multiple leagues. that's the problem. not all the information is carrying over from the leagues into the system. maybe it's proprietary. who knows. but, you can't have an accurate ranking without all the teams being registered correctly and all the games being included.

Anonymous said...

1:33
why ridiculous to post about over 80 coaches at one game. my kid never sent out one e-mail inviting coaches. not one. she is committed and continues to get interest from other schools even after being committed. so out of those 80 coaches at someone's game, there may be some reach outs about several other kids in addition to the ones they were coming to watch by invitation.
i'm just putting out there our experience. it's not hard and fast that those 80 are just going to show interest in the kids who sent them invites.
plenty of coaches = plenty of potential opportunity

Anonymous said...

1:33
https://youthsoccerrankings.us/rankings/National/16/Girls/
I see Reading Rage at National Ranking of #109. Is this what you are referencing?

Anonymous said...

We got one of those I'm interested in you e-mails. We then found out that even our hurt player got a letter too. It was all a big marketing play to have us sign up for their summer camp run by the coaching staff and some players. $$$$$$$ ONLY

Summer job NOT summer showcase camp

Anonymous said...

2:42 nothing wrong with that. If your kid likes the school you go if she doesn't you don't.

2:15 yes if you click on the team you's see the details.

2:08 Good for her. I can only speak on what I was told by my friends who are college coaches. They recruit the players that are interested in their school, they have a database with more than 1,000 kids were graduation year. They don't need to reach out to kids who haven't contacted them.

2:01 the other poster never listed any teams listed twice and if you checked the 2001 rankings you will see there aren't any. But yet you want to dance with me. Do you always just believe what you read without a little research? What leagues aren't carrying over give an example. besides the
KNOWN ISSUES listed.

Anonymous said...

As far as YSR, as of only about a week ago, there were missing games and problems with it. For instance, Jeff Cup games didn't carry over; Region 1 game; National League. Some other games didn't carry over. Several teams were in twice with truncated games.

This is just an example being used:
https://youthsoccerrankings.us/team.html?teamId=1987874
For instance check this team, Princeton. See the various ways the team is identified at the bottom of the page. As of about a week ago, these were different entries (identified as GSA, etc.). Now, they seem to be all together. Which is good.

A parent on our team pointed it out to me and others. They were going to reach out to the YSR posters. Maybe they did. Anyway, glad it has been fixed. But this was researched and it had problems only recently. It's a big undertaking hopefully whatever glitch occurred previously has been worked out.

Anonymous said...

2:08
hello i'm the poster re the girl who never sent out one e-mail to a coach. I understand that your experience was from friends that are college coaches. And, we had heard that as well also from friends of ours that coached in college. I was just offering our experience as well just to show nothing is hard and fast. And, that they do reach out if other kids catch their attention.

Would i recommend it? no. it would drive me crazy that she didn't reach out prior to events. but it does happen. The benefit was that we knew the coaches had genuine interest if they were seeking her/us out and not just responding to a request.

So while the post at 1:33 made it seem like this never happens. And, my experience says otherwise. Again, not recommended.

Anonymous said...

GFA clearly the best team at this age when playing with a full team.

Anonymous said...

okay? all teams could make that excuse. most have injuries throughout the season.
but, a view of the YSR rankings for the team the above poster is referencing, they didn't even play at Jeff Cup.
Are they going to this upcoming season?
And, have the teams moved up already re the blog. Is this still 01's or 02's, now? I want to make sure i am on the correct blog for information.

Anonymous said...

10:45 clearly. SUSA NPL won the NYCSL NPL with PSA in the same division.
PSA just got punched by SSS which SUSA NPL beat at the NPL Finals. Love the posts though keep trying.

11:37 only the weak clubs make those claims because they move their players around they don't have the player pool to have multiple strong teams on their own creds. PS this blog is just a 2001 board when it comes to teams. I also love YSR great site the 2001 age group is set with no duplicates a really good feel on the quality of the teams.

Anonymous said...

July 21 2:08

I am curious about your daughter still "getting interest" even though she has committed

Is the word OUT that she committed? Did she or you post it anywhere?

I am of the understanding that most colleges do not try to recruit off "committed player" lists

How is that going for you? What is the typical correspondence like?
And congratulations, by the way.

One last thing -

What would make your daughter decommit and commit elsewhere?

Thanks

Anonymous said...

I am curious as well - where did she get her interest from? Since you said she did not reach out so that means no invite email sent, no questionnaire or no Id camp. So when did they contact her coach initially after which event? or was it an ODP, id2 or NT camp? I am assuming it was a D1 school.

Congrats to your kid, I am also very curious like 8:46 this is the type of info that I would love to read about.

Anonymous said...

It's a D3 commit. Coach watched her an ID camp.

Anonymous said...

Are you saying COMMIT as in "the coach wants her to attend and play there"? Thus you havent decided yet?

If so - if you havent actually decided and stated that intent - then it makes sense she is still being looked at and contacted by other schools.

WE are in the same boat. D3 vs possible D1. Playing time issues, of course -

Anonymous said...

6:44 AM

Well wouldn't attending an ID camp be a show of interest by tour daughter? She was not scouted by one of the "80" coaches on the sideline of a game.

Anonymous said...

There actually were 142 coaches there and the 143rd walk on at the end of game spotted her and the rest is history.
She is set to get $4,678 toward a $47,000 tuition so we're stoked!!!!

Anonymous said...

You joke, 9:15 but actual real life recruiting stories can be very helpful.

I'd recommend that you befriend some of the older team's parents in your club if you haven't already done so, hear their experiences if they are willing to share.

Anonymous said...

and there are some many stories and variations. No one true way to the recruit stage...

Anonymous said...

Recruiting Story (Committed as a Junior)

My daughter joined an ECNL team at U15 (we had not heard of the concept before and were not all too familiar with going into the first season). Fall of Freshman year my daughter switched to the ECNL which entailed getting ramped up to go to Florida. Coming out of the fall games/showcases we started to see some email activity but mostly with ID camp invites from all over the country (ECNL database sale). Through Spring we saw some interest from local schools that was more than just "Hey come to our Summer Camp" mostly local D1 and D2 programs. Fast forward to fall of Junior year (attended ID clinics for three schools over the summer and 1 full week camp, it was the 2nd year with the full week camp). She was focused on 2 schools, both coaches were actively perusing her and had each indicated that after the next ID camp they would be reaching out with an offer. The offer is: If you are accepted to the school we would love to have you on our team. She visited both schools and had one on ones with the head coaches (parents were invited to these meetings) from my perspective she was in good standing after these meetings, again both coaches mentioned a forthcoming offer. As a lark she decided to attend an ID camp for a third school. It had a good program for her major so it was the back-up plan. The coach approached her afterwards and talked to her, mentioned that she fit their program and would she like to come for an overnight visit, meet the team and tour the campus/sit in on classes? Neither of the other 2 coaches made this type of effort. The visit was, as my daughter described, wonderful. The assistant coach was waiting for her and walked her into admissions, my daughter brought a transcript and SAT information and met with Admissions as well as the department head for her major, the coach then walked her around the campus (she mentioned that some people said hi to her by name as she went into different buildings). The coach took her to the athletics building gave her a tour of the facilities and eventually walked her into the coaches office. The coach chatted with her a bit and had the captains come in and he left, she talked with them and headed out to the field for warm - ups, she could warm up with the team as long as the coach was not present. Coach shows up and she sat in the stands with a few injured players during the practice. Went out to dinner with the team stayed in the dorms and went to classes next day. Met with the coach before she left. No offer made at this time but did indicate that based on a discussion with admissions her would be in touch with her. Coincidentally there was another ID camp that she went to (assistant coach called and invited her) she had her offer in person after the camp. whole process was less than 3 months. Sidebar is that she left the ECNL club after U16 came to find out the coach and DOC were not passing on College interest to all players as it didn't fit their recruiting story. We (mostly she) did the work with little help from the ECNL coaches her new coach was very helpful.

Anonymous said...

1:07 thanks for the post. This is the kind of stuff I like to read. I know every story is different. So the offer was made to her without parents standing around while she is still a minor? Also, did she have to pay for the 2nd ID Camp that she was invited by the coach?

My kid get email blasts like everyone else on this board plus a few personal eMails from D3 schools. We did our first round of camps this year, of the camps only 2 she plans on doing again before her junior year.

One last question - are you telling me you found out players had interest from schools and they never knew about it. WOW that sucks and is so dirty. I wish you could name the club they deserve to be throw under a bus

Anonymous said...

2:15 PM

The offer was two-fold the coach said that everything went well with admissions and he would send her more information via email. The email stated what she would be receiving as far as finical aid (D3)which brings the initial cost down below state tuition, there are additional funds available once she fills out FAFSA. I did follow-up thanking the coach for the offer (only prior contact was a handshake and sitting in on a brief chat after we went to watch them play). Yes we had to pay the $50 for the camp but well worth it. Another important thing is if your daughter is truly interested in a school it helps to show up at a game or two. One of the comments she received from all of the college coaches was that they were impressed that she was interested enough to come to a game. And they gave her time after and talked with her. We also learned to watch out for transfers, she lost one opportunity when a red shirt freshman transferred to one of the schools she was interested in.

As for the other coach who held back offers, apparently one of the higher level recruits parents found out and he is no longer with the program in that capacity. A good number of coaches and DOC have also left the club in the past year.

Anonymous said...

We now have our 3rd National Champion. I removed the President's cup since it's the 2nd level USYS event like the Premier group is to the National Cup Super group.

Congrats to the 2016-2017 National Champions
FC Dallas ECNL U16 (TX) - US Club ECNL National Finals Champion
SUSA 01 NPL (NY) - US Club National Premier Leagues Champion
South Shore Select AP (MA) - US Club National Cup XVI Champion

One more title to be played for:
2017 USYS National Championships
Frisco, TX

Group A
Legends FC 01 Academy (CA-S)
Greater Binghamton FC (NY-W)
Florida Elite 2001 Elite (FL)
Nationals Union 01 Black (MI)

Group B
SLSC Cosmos 01 Lawless (OK)
Celtic FC Premier SA (UT)
CUP Gold 01 (OH-S)
Michigan Jaguars 01 Green (MI)

Thanks 2:38 like I said I love reading those posts because it has some nice info. Wish your kid lots of luck when she starts playing college. Props to the parent who outed this info, they could have said nothing but instead they did the right thing

Anonymous said...

11:11 am
hi i'm the recruit poster who has a kid that never sent out an e-mail. It's a DI school and a very good one (school and program).

We received all interest from her coaches. The club coaches would contact us after each event and sometimes after games if interest was expressed by college coaches that attended. And, yes, it's posted about her commitment; including in the team handouts.

It seems that some coaches want her and us to know that if something happens with her choice and it doesn't happen (coach can leave, etc.), that they are interested. Some coaches would speak with her coaches and some would hand business cards to parents giving out team info to give to us, directly and say if she changed her mind to give a call.

My only advice is to stay flexible. There are a lot of programs out there and a lot of spots. Good luck to all of you and your gals.

Anonymous said...

7/23 @ 8:46 pm
i don't fo see her decommiting, but in the event there is a head coaching change to someone she didn't like or know or if there was a change in the verbally committed terms, a problem at the school (like things that could prevent post season play or student safety issues arise), etc., those would be game changers.

Anonymous said...

My daughter also committed D3 in June of junior year.
Truth is it was made very clear that we still need to afford it once she applies. It's up to them to make it happen...

Anonymous said...

11:36 PM

Wow your daughter must be a phenomenal player. Very few players are that good where a D1 coach will make an offer solely based on seeing them play in a game at a showcase. Has the team/club sent other girls to the same school?

Anonymous said...

She is awesome, thanks!

Anonymous said...

7:12
My older daughter is playing D3 and when first visiting, was told that although they would offset some of the cost with grants, there would still be a hefty sum to pay. Instead of saying yes right away, we kept looking at other options at other schools and while doing so, the coach came back with more grant options (this happen twice). In the end the final cost was $6,600 average for a $52,000 a year school, but there is still two year to go and things can fluctuate from year to year. So my advice to anyone is not to rush into any agreement with a school as its a lot like buying a car, the sticker price if fictional.

Anonymous said...

I'll take $6,600/yr!! School $ tag is 50K
Thanks for the info!

Anonymous said...

AWESOME, 10:30

This is the kind of info that is quite helpful

Quite a few D3s are appealing to us - but the supposed cost is so difficult to swallow.

Only question is how do you turn down D1 money - in HOPES that the D3 school will be affordable? This is the tough part for us.

Anonymous said...

7:40
(i'm the person that daughter did not send out one e-mail).

well, she is pretty good. But her future college head coach was there to watch another girl on the team they were playing against. My daughter played very well to catch coach's eye. Coach actually offered spots to both girls and both accepted. It wasn't a one and done thing. Evaluating is a process.

Coach saw her in an ECNL nat'l event and then a few other times, including league games. After seeing her only a few times though, coach did offer her a spot. But, my daughter had several offers so she had to weed through schools and programs as to what would best suit her for athletics and academics as she was looking academics that not all schools offer. So, some were eliminated on that alone. Then, geographics eliminated others (where in country, items of interest and proximity to school). Then, playing potential (possibly playing as a freshman or needing to redshirt and wait a year or two before seeing meaningful minutes). And, then the overall package as far as cost. She actually made a list of pros and cons with her final choices. It was quite stressful for her as it's tough for a 16 yr old to figure out what they may want to do academically and therefore eliminating some very good schools.

She only went to 1 id camp prior to the entire committing process. And while she liked that school's asst coach, she wasn't thrilled with head. So, that school was eliminated.

Her offers/the coaching reach outs re interest were all based on game play in showcases and league play. Several showed up at practices, too, unannounced.

She was able to attend a camp at her committed college in the past several weeks. We wanted her to attend as now was the time to learn if she had made the correct choice or not. She is thrilled with her choice and can't wait for college. And, then, so are we. :)

Anonymous said...

1:53, How helpful was her DOC or Coach during this process? Or did you go it alone?

Anonymous said...

Seems to be a troll on here.

I'm the poster at 1:53 continuing with our experience (no e-mails and kid committed when coaches would show up to watch her by either word of mouth or watching others). Anyway, re tuition/school, cost is always a thing. If they want your kid, they will make it happen getting a mix of athletics and academics. Some schools already have a lock step academic merit awards so she is pretty good academically and had already qualified for over 1/3 in academics alone. For instance, if your kid has a GPA of 3.5 or above and SAT scores of over 1350, then you may already qualify for some academic funds. Good AP scores help too. Then, athletics made up the difference. It's very important to keep up your grades not only for the admission process but there may be some $$ too not through athletics.

We have been very blessed and honored about all the interest. And we are very happy about her package. Our club coaches were very helpful in the process. It is unfortunate that some don't have the same experience.

Anonymous said...

2:03 That is a great question and something that should be expected as a function for all DOC's.
12:14 The big questions for many when it comes to D1 vs D3 is immediate playing time and real money.
Unless your daughter is a real stud player or the team is in a dire need of a position player and your daughter fits that need, she may sit though her freshmen year. Most D3's do not have that talent overload and freshmen to get on the field and even start in many cases.
I like using the term "real money" when it comes to D3 grants, in most cases its spread over all four years of schooling and cannot be taken away (unlike scholarship money). The downside of course, is that you daughter is not playing D1 like all of us have first hoped for. For some reason I have found this easier to accept than I thought I would.

Anonymous said...

And the troll comment; I didn't post 10:16. She is a work in progress. She is very good, but is always working to be better. And, she is her hardest critic about herself and pushes herself to be better. That's what all the coaches liked.

Anonymous said...

2:26
i hear ya re the funds. We were told her package was guaranteed all four years. So, yes, that's something to consider as well. Scholarships are renewable annually. D3 are great choices as well. I have an older kids that were athletes, too. Two DI and one DIII. The DIII kid was offered several DI spots, but knew academically with his choice of sport and major that he would not be able to balance both successfully. And, DIII, his coach didn't look at him as an athlete only, but a student-athlete/person.

Anonymous said...

2:26

Plenty of great soccer around - even at D3

You have heard it before but worth repeating - many D3s can hang with mid to lower level D1s - and sometimes even scrimmage them.

Time allotment is the positive trade off - with D3 obviously allowing more time for studies etc. (since less practice for the mot part, less travel)

How about this?

Elimination from conference tournament at D1 (or dare I say not even making conference tourney) vs getting to Sweet 16, Elite 8, Final 4 at D3....

Something to ponder.

Anonymous said...

Agreed. It's the goal for all divisions; just like it is in the various youth soccer leagues. If it's a good fit, that is all that matters.

Anonymous said...

2:44 you hit on something I totally missed and missed badly. The academics and being able to balance both. Since the academics is the single most important thing out of all this, I should have mentioned that first. It is one of the biggest things to factor in a players decision and a bad decision can result in thousands of dollars thrown away. It makes me wonder how many players throughout the college landscape end up giving up or simply not maintaining the grades to continue?

Anonymous said...

D1 scholarships are also "all 4 years" except in extreme cases.

Beauty of taking the D1 ride and then transferring down is that there is no sit out year.

So keep that D3 tucked away as a "you never know" when accepting the offer you do.

Anonymous said...

Is the NPL maneuvering teams around like the ECNL league did?

Anonymous said...

8:30
speaking re DI, surely you know of a team or two when a new coach arrived and wanted to clean house so didn't honor some scholarships of older gals. we found out and crossed that school off our list.
so, not guaranteed, renewable.

Anonymous said...

That was a lot of good post with a lot of good info. 10:35 brought up another excellent point to consider

Anonymous said...

8:43 why do you ask? Did you see something?

phann son said...

Players can write college coaches all they want the college coach still can't respond back to the players in this age group.

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Anonymous said...

My last note as far as college scholarship and grants that are easily obtainable. I realize some on this board are more affluent than others, so this may seem trivial. There are a lot of $1,000 to $3,000 dollar stackable grants out there that never get picked up, mainly because students and parents do not know they exist. My niece received $1,000 grants from Burger King, Wawa and a $3,000 grant from a local bank and $500 ones from various others sources. She was a straight A student and I'm sure that's part of it, but she found these with the help of the school guidance counselor and all it took was and emailed letter. Needless to say, she helped out her parents in a huge way by taking almost $10,000 dollars off the bill. I'm all for keeping money in my pocket if possible

Anonymous said...

I don't understand the question around the NPL maneuvering teams around. Can you rephrase?

Anonymous said...

The three local NPL leagues all likely have some changes. NE NPL follows ECNL so Penn Fusion, WNY, Breakers out, Bethesda and Maryland United in. EDP I am sure has some changes in NYClub (CSA) and EDP always has a little shuffle.

Anonymous said...

12:09
that's great info. thank you. yep, there is other money out there as well to help less the burden. thanks again!

Anonymous said...

sorry * lessen the burden; not less the burden. stinking touch screens.

Anonymous said...

Thank you 2:39! So you're saying that the NPL will mirror the ECNL changes.

Anonymous said...

someone was inquiring about transfer rates a few posts back.
My understanding is that the transfer rates are up considerably in the past several years in all the sports. So much so that the NCAA brass are talking about various considerations for transfers to not loose time, potentially, having to sit out an add'l year before competing, again. I think the consideration to amend comes from the amount of early commits finally realizing that 14, 15 and 16 yr olds may not know what they want out of college, yet.
If I get any add'l information on this, I'll post.

Anonymous said...

7/21 @6:02 pm

just looked at YSR U17 and yep some teams are still double listed with truncated games.

As an example only, take the Stallions:
https://youthsoccerrankings.us/team.html?teamId=1933678 (at #58); then go to
and same team w/ different name at #6 listing only end of June/July games. https://youthsoccerrankings.us/team.html?teamId=2059550

obviously not a true ranking, either one. probably somewhere in the middle.

YSR is probably the closest to getting some really good ranking intel, but it's just not accurate, yet. Probably still some bugs being worked out because if one team is this way, there are others, too.


Anonymous said...


http://www.soccerwire.com/news/clubs/youth-girls/ecnl-announces-roster-for-2017-ecnlid2-national-training-camp/
Out of close to 100 players selected
5 from PDA
1 From FC Bucks
0 Penn Fusion
0 Continental

I am not with any of these clubs but find it interesting that most clubs eligible sent at least 1 player.

Anonymous said...

Yep, we knew about this about a month ago as word came down that Penn Fusion was being shut out from all ages because it's no longer ECNL. The politics of ECNL continue.

Anonymous said...

And, reality is that in GDA more opportunities will arise for this stuff with kids participating. So maybe it wasn't totally political? #bull

Anonymous said...

A little less head scratching this past year why US Soccer took the path it did.

Anonymous said...

1:21 this is YSR U16 or 2001 and no teams are double listed.

Anonymous said...

Re YSR - Are you saying that because one age group is okay (for now) that it's reliable? Btw - some 2001 kids play up for some teams.

Why post then if part is inaccurate? People in this age group have other kids in other age groups, too.

Anonymous said...

Yes the 2001 age group is reliable.

PS. kids that play up play for the 2000 age group and those teams have their own board.

I post 2001 ranks which are reliable. This board is for teams in the 2001 age group not players.

Anonymous said...

that's not what the blog heading says. It says U16 not 2001 which will be 2002 on 8/1.

U16 will then be 2002. U17 will be 2001; U18/19 will be 2000 and 1999. Maybe the administrator will change the blogs to calendar year not age group.

Not sure YSR will change it's age groups as well or if it just starts a new each soccer season. Or just rank 2001, only, since it's accurate and others are not.

Anonymous said...

11:33 yes u16 is 2001 until 7/31/2017. If I remember correctly they always roll up the board. Just look at this url it has u11.

I think YSR only started new because of the birth year change.

Anonymous said...

I have a feeling 11:33 is still afraid of removing the tag from his mattress.

Anonymous said...

Ahh, nope went to the big house for THAT already. Next.

Anonymous said...

9:28 the bullpen or was it your address for a bit?

Anonymous said...

Still is my address. I moved on to removing tags from pillows. Can't stop.

Anonymous said...

There were at least 3 deserving PF kids from the PDP event. Wonder if other former ECNL clubs got the same dis?

Anonymous said...

Here we go.....

Anonymous said...

Just gonna back track on the whole recruiting thing a bit. I get it that you and your daughter want to play on a good team that is successful, everyone does. But in all reality, if that is a big deciding factor on going to a school over the school being a great fit academically and socially, then you need to get your priorities in check. Personally, I don't care if the team is the worst team in college sports. If they want my daughter to help make their program better, its the right fit for her academically, and they are willing to cover the cost of that so she has the opportunity to be successful in life, I'm all for it.

College will be the end of playing careers for over 99% of the players in this age group. I urge you to not have the quality of the soccer program as your number 1 reason for choosing a school. Find the right schools that are the right fit for your daughter, and if it comes down to choice, use how the soccer team is a fit with your daughter.

That's why there are so many transfers. So many players seeing bright lights, but yet it's not a light that's shining for them......

Anonymous said...

Let met get this straight - If number 1 soccer school wants your kid and it also happens to be where she wants to go. You are saying she shouldn't? Help me understand What does 99% and High transfer rate have to do with anything?
So she gets a partial athletic ride and also gets some academic scholarships for a total under 10K per year she should pass on it?

You don't care if it's the worst but what if it's the best and she wants to be there? What makes you think these kids are picking schools because of soccer? It just so happens that they can? Great grades and great players.

Anonymous said...

3:53 that's not what I'm saying at all. If it is a top 20 D1 school that isn't going to offer you anything except a spot on the team and a foot in the door to the college that fits your daughter perfectly, most definitely open that door. M

What I'm trying to say is that soccer isn't going to be a profession after college for 99% of this age group. So many people are just trying to play for the best soccer team that they can play for, and at the end of the day, it isn't the right college fit for them sometimes even within that soccer program. That is a big part of the reason there are so many transfers. Both colleges and players being forced to make decisions before either of them are ready and know what they really want/need.

you say what if it is a number 1 school and she wants to go there, I would be asking why she wants to go there? What does she want to do with her life? Is that school able to fulfill those dreams? I'd be much happier with my daughter going to a D3 school that isn't that great at soccer, if it will give her the ability to have a successful career that she can be happy in. Scholarships, grants, or not. Soccer is a card in your pocket to help you get into the college that fits best. I guess the best way to describe it is that it's a sliding ruler with fit of college to player, quality of soccer, and scholarships/grants. Your biggest weighted category by far should be college fit. The other 2 categories are featherweights in comparison

Anonymous said...

4:27 Hmmm, Floyd Mayweather and Manny Paquiao would be very upset over your derogatory use of the word "featherweight". But I totally agree with your post.

Anonymous said...

4:27 why only a top 20 D1 school? Top 20 Academic? Research? Business? Arts? Soccer?
That's a crock sorry I don't agree with your comment it reads as you pumping up D3 schools.

What's the difference between #300 D1 and #300 D3? If the money is the same from both schools? The soccer is a huge difference isn't it? I think so. But that's not what you are saying is it? More like #300 D1 vs #10 D3 right? Is the soccer better at D3 - so are they trying to play for the best soccer team now since it's D3?

You ask why they want to go there? Who cares if that's where they want to go - their life. All I good do is prepare them by giving pros/cons at the end of the day it's their choice.

College fit for who? What you think is a fit or what they think is a fit?

Anonymous said...

I would like to take the recruiting talk a different direction. And I am going to be pretty specific which may also identify a specific club. I think most would agree that a club placing players at D1 and being able year after year post a list of graduating seniors going to D1 programs is impressive. but lets look at the graduating class from 2 years ago and see if those D1 recruits are playing or have transferred. Now take the girls that went to D2/D3 schools and see if they are playing or transferred. I see clubs posting the 2017 list but I rarely see "updates" with information on girls who are in a college program and what their experience has been. We did have a few college nights where players came back to talk to the current crop of players. 2 of the 3 girls were transfers from their initial commit to a new college, one closer to home and one where they were able to get on the field. The D3 recruits were seeing playing time in the first year with some contributing significantly. At our club there is one player going into a local D1 but she has 4 players in front of her at the school. The criteria for my daughter was Education and environment first and being able to play as a freshman. She chose a D3 that is consistently winning their conference and going to the NCAA sweet 16.

Anonymous said...

8:36 stop making so much sense and stating actual facts!
If parents can't get on this blog and say their daughters are going D1, you crush their world!

Anonymous said...

isn't the message it doesn't matter where they go as long as they and we are happy with the fit. This D3 is better than D1 battle is on this blog and not on a field. I don't think many agree with that statement on it's face as far as athletics. And, make no mistake there are transfers in D3 & D2 too. This isn't to build up one and not the other. It's to say, it really doesn't matter.

No matter which level they play, sometimes the fit just isn't there after you are all unpacked and actually attending classes and going to practice.
There are great schools in all divisions: academically, athletically, proximity, logistically, all of it. None of it matters if they are not happy where ever they land. Depression in college is very common. Keep that in mind. And there is just as many unhappy D3 kids as well as D1 or D2. Soccer is only part of the picture.

So, where ever they decided to play. THEY decide to play. Congrats to them and you and just support them. If you and they are happy, that's half the battle.

Anonymous said...

*and there are; not and there is. sorry.

Anonymous said...

8:11 Once your done deciding what school is best for your daughter, can you at least let her start picking out her own clothes for school each morning? Or at least trust her to brush her own teeth?

Anonymous said...

There's another angle -

School is a great soccer fit

School is D1

School has the player's academic track of interest

There seems to be available playing time, if not right away then by soph/junior year

The negative is it is NOT considered a great school relative to others in the area that your daughter could apply to and get in to.

Then what?

At the "lesser" school there may be less academic pressure. But would you rather have her be challenged at the top institution, where she could also be on the soccer team, albeit with lesser prospects for PT?

More money, more pressure, less playing time. Seems silly right - until you realize that after 4 years your daughter has a DEGREE from a certain college, not a certain soccer team.

Anonymous said...

11:50
Clothes, yes - within reason

But the teeth? You have to watch em like a hawk. :)

Anonymous said...

11:52,

Nothing is guaranteed. And school reputation is relative to levels. Once you get past the Ivies most undergraduate degrees provide the same thing. A bunch of money for the school and a piece of paper for your daughter, what she does with the piece of paper is up to her. The D1/D2/D3 debate is solely about soccer. If you look at specific D3 private schools vs State college school (yes the school within the college) is where you start seeing some apples to apples comparisons. Penn State has honors programs and tracts that a D3 does not, but the D3 has more individualized attention. There are also majors at some D3 schools that are better than any D1. The big difference is the allocation of Athletic money and if your daughter can get an athletic scholarship to a D1 or Academic to a D3 it pretty much balances out, except the D3 athlete can stop being an athlete and keep the $$, the D1 cannot. My daughter chose D3 and when she told a few people they said "I really think you are a D1 player" - coach included. She found a school she really likes, a successful soccer program that she will play in and a coach who was honest. She did not find any similar combination at D1.

Anonymous said...

Crazy to choose the other if the one you pass on is an Ivy then?

Anonymous said...

Put the IVY league aside for a second. Problem with D1 is that most of the elite academic schools are the big soccer schools, very hard to get a scholie. The Mid-majors don't compare academically to the top academic D3 schools. I have known a few kids who passed up D1 offers for D3 schools for academics.I think there was academic $$ involved in those cases.

Anonymous said...

you have no clue. plenty of great academic schools DI w/great programs that aren't power 5 with progams that have money to spend.
Are YOU not happy with your kid's choice via DIII?
The lady (or guy) doth protest too much, methinks.

Anonymous said...

http://www.d3soccer.com/teams/index-women

Here is the list of all the DIII soccer programs in the country. Are you alleging that ALL of these are great academically? Pish posh. All of the divisions have some weak schools as far as academics depending on what you want. No one is bashing DIII yet you are bashing DI. Why?

Anonymous said...

Pish Posh??? Apparently Thurston Howell III is blogging from the grave. And obviously is not a fan of D3's.

Anonymous said...

Hmmmm....I thought it was Maxwell Smart on his shoe phone.
I have no problem with DIII. I can't figure out why the DIII booster is bashing other divisions.
Maybe you missed the ending of the post. "No one is bashing DIII yet you are bashing DI. Why?"

Anonymous said...

This topic needs to be put to rest.
Quite worn out people...
Our daughters choose wth they want to and is right for them. Right for them doesn't mean wrong or right for all.
Last few posts read as 12-14 year old snapchat accounts

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