To the person who is posting the comparison of PF vs PDA records, you must know this is misleading at best right? There is little relevance for the games that aren't league play since it's not apples to apples. They do not play the same teams in showcases (albeit possible I guess). League play is the same teams so therefore relevant but not even then until they have played all of their games. Comparing common opposition is fine. I am not taking anything away from PF. I like CS and I am a fan of the club. I am also not defending PDA in anyway. I'm just saying that outside of comparing results for common opponents there is little relevance.
2:51 - so true. The only records that matter to ECNL teams are ECNL league. The outside showcases are just that; showcases; all kids play and not all kids attend if already committed.
12:15 - a number? I saw 2 and my understanding, they are pretty darn good. Some older kids are opting into pre-academy to play school ball, too. Their GDA is pretty solid as are the pre-academy spots. I understand that once a spot opens up on GDA, it can be filled immediately. It works if some kids are leaving early for college spring ball.
Chiming in I also heard that another possible YNT kid may move up too. Friend's daughter on that team as we were thinking about it as we were unable to make try-outs. But, apparently it is loaded.
3:22 Penn Fusion is just a deeper team which makes them a better team.PDA can not win outside of it's league games that has to say something no?Just for the record FC Stars and McLean best ECNL teams in Region1 with BBA 3rd. This ECNL division will be very weak next season with FC Stars, BBA, PDA, WC, Albertson and East Meadow fielding weaker teams in CT Oakwood got stronger and CFC and FSA not that strong. The time has come for FC Bucks and CFC Delco to dominate this age group as their A teams will be playing B teams.USYS NL very much on par with the new ECNL.PS. The other teams at these showcases also play their entire team they just don't have a roster of 24 to not dress players.How good is a club if you can't mix and match their 1st team roster. I read ECNL league is for keeps so they win but other showcase tournaments are players from the 1st team roster that can't win the weaker ones that don't dress for league games or rotate.GP9 Division 8(w) 2(t) 1(l) 12 Non-Division 2(w) 5(t) 5(l)
Going to chime in here since the last post made me laugh. Penn fusion is NOT better than PDA. The problem with Penn fusion is there are too many girls who have the "I'll do it myself" mentality therefore you don't see a lot of quality teamwork. They also lack a good game day coach.
Huh? Maybe you aren't understanding some 1st team players don't even attend. It gives others more playing time and playing time in other positions. I'm not a fan of just throwing kids into positions they don't necessarily play or practice for showcases, but that is how it's done with some. I'm not saying all, but I know of some.
6:36 - and that's because you say so, right? So, it must be true. And, not directing this at PDA or PF. They are both very good clubs. Directing at the poster making comments about playing and coaching. Maybe it's this person's kid that plays that way. There's no "I" in team, but there is a "me".
@5:33Uh no. That's my point. I went through the games and PF's wins outside of league were lower ranked teams generally. PDA tied Concorde Fire and Stars of MA and lost to solar Chelsea. All top 10 teams. Their only gaffe as far as I can see is a 2-0 to marchfit (not trying to insult anyone but I think they probably should have beat them). PF's only top 10 game was So Cal Blues; every team can have a bad day. In league play against common opponents PDA is 6-0-2 and PF is 5-2-1. PDA has a much higher GF/GA differential. So very similar teams with the edge going to PDA. i don't think I'm making a big leap with this concept. Is PF deeper, maybe. That I can't comment on. It when looking at records and comparing relevant games I'd have to give the edge to PDA.
Ok so I botched that. PDA played six games out of league against slammers West Coast Orlando city Concorde fire FC Virginia and solar Chelsea. Four teams out of the six are ranked in the top 10 with a goal differential of -2 Penn fusion played one top 10 team goal differential -9
My goodness. You spent an awful lot of time on that. In the future, if interested (and I mean BIG IF), fellow bloggers, please go to the standings. Meanwhile, not sure this is true but saw on U17 blog (as it was the U16/U17 blog until recently) that there may be an NCAA college coach prohibition to attend tourneys the end of December through sometime in January (i.e., Stanford, NPL showcase, Disney). Does anyone have any info on this? This may be a rumor. In the event it isn't, though...Why have showcase tourneys without college coaches in attendance? Need to get some confirmation so we don't have to pay for these tourneys in our budgets for upcoming 2017-18 yr.
Heard the rumor mill about this also.If this happens, I'd think those showcases would change their dates to allow coaches on site. Not a showcase if no coaches there.
A college coach mentioned that this change was in the works to us while on an unofficial visit. So its definitely being discussed.
Our club mentioned the change to us. They said ECNL will change the date of their Florida showcase to early December if/when the change is implemented but that Disney may not be able to change the dates of their tourney because their facilities are fully booked so far that they have no flexibility.
Think the ECNL will go head to head with the DA tournament? The date they pick will pretty much reveal their hand on where they think the league will rate when compared to the DA. If they really believe the ECNL will remain relevant they will go head to head.
Disney will move tournaments around. The current showcase slots around New Years will be for younger kids and the showcase will be played either in fall or spring. No way Disney is going to miss out on hat money. If there are no college coaches there would be no reason to go to Disney. Sounds like this won't happen for this coming cycle. Maybe next year.
10:51 - hmmm. Soccer gauntlet throw down. Sounds intriguing. GDA showcase in early December will be in FL. The plot thickens.
1:40 - you have to figure in field availability; refs; all that stuff. So, they may not be able to go head to head.
Well as it is boys Disney completely overlaps girls Sanford. So there are plenty of fields and refs to go head to head in central Florida. I just don't think the ECNL will be that brave (or maybe stupid...?)
Hmmm You just added another layer, the boys' ECNL kicks in as well. That may have an impact on the boys' teams that go to Disney I would think, too. And, also the availability of fields, refs, etc. And, lastly, the NCAA black out rules would not only affect girls but boys as well. Dant, dant daaaaa...The plot thickens.
I don't see an update on the NCAA site - is this fake news?From the NCAA websiteWhat is a dead period?During a dead period a college coach may not have face-to-face contact with college-bound student-athletes or their parents, and may not watch student-athletes compete or visit their high schools. Coaches may write and telephone student-athletes or their parents during a dead period.Soccer Dead PeriodsJanuary 30- February 2, 2017 (Monday through Thursday of the initial week for the signing of the National Letter of Intent).
Poster above at 1:12 am mentioned a change expanding the black out dates. This info was noted on the U17 blog (as that blog was U16/U17 until recently). No confirmation. Looking for some.
7:40 here thanks 7:57I was only able to find the below which is for Football. Collegiate Commissioners Association approved changes to the National Letter of Intent program, which the association runs. Those changes include a new, 72-hour early signing period between the dates of Dec. 20 to 22. The dates will coincide with the first three days of the midyear JUCO signings
Thank you. Maybe something is in the works for the new black out dates. Let's keep looking for that one. Or, if anyone has college coaches for their club coaches and could find out, that would be great.
There was two D1 college coaches in the room when our club told us about the new blackout date proposal so I'm pretty sure this was legit.
Thank you. Please keep us informed if you find out anything additional. Have a great night/morning.
I believe potential new blackout dates are legit. This was a topic of discussion at Disney this past year. Coaches were saying they were asking for lsomething like a month blackout to get a break from all the travel to tournaments as it is too much. Disney website still has dates listed for next year as New Years.
Is the watchung hills team moving to STA next year? Thei current watchung hills coach has been seen around wearing a STA jacket and at some of the STA games
Here is a great comment from the G-U17 blog:Does anyone think that having 4 teams at one age group is a good thing? It makes the top tier teams look bad to have lower level teams with the same <>> branding stinking up the field with kick and run daddy coaching?Why not have AA and AAA like baseball? It may be close to the same product but everyone can tell the difference between the Yankees and the Trenton Thunder. Players can move between teams and nobody is pretending they are something that they aren't. You can attract better talent and make the top team more prestigious. It will also make the other teams work harder to improve and move up to get those premier kits.
YES! YES! YES!So tired of the "D" team posers!!!
8:23 - interesting. btw - disney may still have the event with or without potential new black out dates in effect. It is still making it's money if clubs/teams pay the fee and they are providing the site for the party/event. someone may need this potential new info in front of the disney reps and get the scoop; otherwise, why attend?
Clubs do something like that already. Except it is for their team names and not their uniforms. Good teams say "NPL" or "ECNL" or “Black” after their names and bad teams say "EDP" or “Red” or "Shore" after theirs. I agree that we need to take it one step further. Minor league uniforms for all bottom feeders! Big clubs will like it because they can get you to buy two more uniforms for the one time you play up. Kids and parents on top team will like it because the others can't ride their success. Here is what we do…Put low level MF in pink, low level COPA in baby blue, low level PDA in red, and low level SJEB in grey.
The black out dates were discussed on XM 85 (soccer channel) Glenn Crooks' "the coaching academy" program.
Our coach told us the rule passed and there will be a black out period from December 15-Jan 3. He mentioned that it's not clear if it will just apply to D1 or DI,D II and DIII
I am very curious to see how things play out - we have 7 teams that have qualified for the national League and starting next year they are also joining GDA and ECNL curious to see if they do both or how they get around the USYS soccer roster rules if they try to get their B/C/D teams to replace their A teams.Also, why doesn't the ECNL adopt the Boys ECNL platform - so much better and it takes away the "closed" label sort of and makes the NPLs important again.National League 2017-18 — 17U Girls (2001s)1. Michigan Jaguars 01 Green (MI)2. Greater Binghamton FC (NY-W)3. CUP Gold 01 (OH-S)4. United FA 01 Premier (GA)5. Fullerton Rangers 01 White (CA-S)6. FC Frederick 01 (MD)7. NJ Stallions 01 Freedom (NJ)8. Arlington SA 01 Red (VA)9. Fever United (TX-N)10. Sting East 01 Dunstan (TX-N)11. PacNW 01 Maroon (WA)12. AZ Arsenal 01 Premier Teal (AZ)13. USA Stars Academy 01 (CA-N)14. Rebels SC 01 Elite (CA-S)GDA Clubs1. Legends FC 01 Academy (CA-S)2. Nationals Union 01 Black (MI)3. Nationals Unions 01 Red (MI)ECNL Clubs1. BRYC Elite Academy 01/02 (VA)2. Florida Elite 2001 (FL)3. 2001 Tennessee SC Showcase (TN)4. EGA 01 Maroon Omaha (NE)OPEN1. Greater Binghamton FC (NY-W)2. Nationals Union 01 Black (MI)3. EGA 01 Maroon Omaha (NE)4. 2001 Tennessee SC (TN)5. Florida Elite 2001 (FL)Pending1. 2017 MRL Premier I Division Spring Champion 2. 2017 MRL Premier I Division Spring 2nd Place 3. Region I Cup Representative to 2017 Nationals 4. Region II Cup Representative to 2017 Nationals5. Region III Cup Representative to 2017 Nationals6. Region IV Cup Representative to 2017 Nationals
1:24 you have no clue what you are talking about!
1:40 - Huh? Are these boys' teams? Are you saying the boys' ECNL & GDA are playing at the same time as national league games (and in the same area, I would assume; otherwise why it be remotely relevant)?
1:49 Girl teams. No I'm saying new GDA and ECNL clubs for next season also have their 1st teams in the National League. I also said the Boys ECNL has a better platform than the Girls side and think it would be better for the Girls ECNL to adopt the same platform. Basically, the ECNL division champions only go the Finals joined by the NPL Champions. For EXAMPLE from region 1 FC Stars and McLean would be the only teams going to Finals using today's standings. PDA, PennFusion and other teams would be replaced by the NPL Champions potentially teams like SJEB, IGFA, Oakwood, PDA South. Would make the NPLs even more of a player in tomorrow's world.2017 NPL Finals qualified teams16-U GIRLS (2001s):Arizona NPL: 1. Tucson Soccer AcademyFlorida NPL: 2. IMG AcademyGulf States Premier League: 3. MSC Lakers '01 EliteNorCal NPL: 4. Davis Legacy SCNorthern Illinois Soccer League: 5. Campton United SCNorthwest Champions League: 6. ISC GunnersVirginia NPL: 7. Virginia RushPending Champions not sure which go to Finals8. Elite Development Program - NPL Division9. Lake Highlands Girls Classic League10. Midwest Developmental League11. Mountain Developmental League12. New England Premier League13. New York Club Soccer League - NPL Division14. Northeast Girls NPL15. South Atlantic Premier League16. South Central Premier League17. Southern California NPL18. Texas Champions League19. United Soccer Clubs Champions League20. Washington State Premier LeagueNew NPLs next seasonCentral States NPLNew NPL in Southern CaliforniaRed River NPLWashington NPL
Looks like LC from NJX has done it again. First she left Jackson mid season and now has taken her girls mid season again. Very sad!! It must be her pride. New girls joined he team and now she panics. She should have been gone years ago. Wonder where she will try and get a package deal?? Beware to all the clubs out here!!!!
2;36 - I am not familiar with the boys platform. And, right now, ECNL is girls only so I am going by what is, not what will be or could be. But, I haven't checked the Nat'l League standings, but I find it hard to believe that 1st teams of ECNL and GDA would be in it. My understanding is that currently, the by-laws of ECNL prevent their 1st teams from competing in another league. And, I find it even harder that GDA's 1st teams will be competing in other leagues as well. This is the league that is making the kids give up soccer in anything else, high school, ODP/Region, etc. And the swap outs. I don't think you can compare outside leagues (NPL, EDP, USYS, etc.) as their head to head games are not as competitive.
6:35 - isn't that why ECNL teams don't compete in NCS for state championships? NPL teams can, but ECNL teams are precluded. If they (ECNL) could compete in National Leagues, why can't they compete in state cups, then? I don't think that other post is accurate, either. But, who knows? All of this is a moving target anymore.
6:35ECNL was the top national league. There was no need for a state cup. The top teams advance to the national championship round of play offs and then ECNL has a national championship in July.The ECNL has the best national showcase events as it has the best teams in the nation. Big reason the ECNL was started was because the USYS regional and national leagues were and are still run poorly. State Cup and regionals are a joke. ECNL was good for the best clubs, The ECNL was along with all other national leagues are a total joke in terms of cost. Playing youth soccer, even at the highest level should not cost what it does.
8:30 I disagree - ECNL was a closed league and had a championship for it's 70 clubs it's just a "World Series" for it's league nothing more.Love USYS or hate them - they have it right. Their top league the National League sends it's 4 division winners to Nationals no ducking anyone. The other teams have a ladder to climb 1st win states then play other regional state champs to advance to Nationals. If ECNL did that PDA, MF, WC, Stars, BBA would all play each other for 1 spot. That's why they made their own league and controlled who got in so 5 to 6 of them can play for a league title instead of 1. Are you saying all ECNL clubs are not run poorly? Why did the USSF create the GDA then? Oh yeah they want all that money. Guess what it's still the same clubs they just re-branded.6:41 the post is accurate Legends and Nationals qualified for national league but their club is now GDA so what happens? They give up their spot or their b team takes it? BRYC, EGA, Florida and TSC also qualified for National league but now they are in the ECNL, what do they do? Play both or send their b teams. I find it interesting.The ENPL will include both member Elite Clubs National League conferences (ECNL conferences) and member National Premier Leagues (NPLs), providing multiple entry paths into the competition. ENPL competition will include 14-U, 15-U, 16-U, 17-U and 19-U boys age groups, and will include participating teams from two independent qualification paths: (i) qualifying teams from designated National Premier Leagues across the country; and (ii) qualifying teams from ECNL club-based conferences across the country. These teams will come together to compete for the ENPL National Championship in a two-stage postseason event in 2018.
8:54 - Doesn't Legends and Nationals have a USYS team that is separate from ECNL (like Delco)? FC VA, Solar Chelsea, etc. have the same. Many clubs are multi-tiered. That doesn't mean they are sending their first team to National League. If they have ECNL, they aren't.
Legends does not have ECNL. I would assume they and any other clubs/teams in a similar situation decline the invitation to National League events after the end of this soccer season (8/1). Or, they field a USYS/NPL team along with GDA.
Wow. What domino effect all of this has had! As another poster noted, moving targets. What a crap storm!
@ 9:51 - A good example is Tophat Soccer Club (in Georgia). They are multi-tiered with GDA, ECNL and USYS/RPL (regional premier league) teams. Clubs are already planning around the upcoming hurdles caused by the academy/leagues (nat'l league, etc.). They are an ECNL founder and are on the Board of Directors so they have both. Surprise, surprise. lol
TopHat was not one of the ECNL founders. They were a relatively late add to the ECNL. However, they have been very successful. The criterion for keeping the ECNL along with GDA by the ECNL was actually teams in which a certain level of success was achieved. I think like 3 of 4 u15-18 teams in the champions league. That's how they kept both. I think they have only been ECNL for less than 2 years. Similarly none of the texas teams are founders. Texas came on board with the ECNL a few tears into its existence. When that happened it was considered that the ECNL would be heading downhill into dominance. The clubs outside of the ECNL that showed ECNL champions level strength were few last year. Legends and Cincinnati are the two that come to mind. They were both in the first round of GDA if i remember correctly.
@6:10 LC is so selfish only cares about 1 of her daughters . I left the team because of her then my other teammates did the same. Miss my Crew girls.
Now you can go back!
Top Region 1 teams broken down by league using the top 50 Youth Soccer Rankings scores. Please note most of the GDA teams also have NPL teams so they will fit right into the ECNL Level of play which is just above ERL/EDP. Not sure what the NL will offer as teams need to qualify and accept their spots first. It's not fixed, it's for the best teams from the previous season that qualify or are accepted. Leagues below ERL/EDP don't have many top teamsGDA38.91 FC STARS OF MASSACHUSETTS ECNL (MA)38.52 BOSTON BREAKERS ACADEMY ECNL (MA)37.60 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY ECNL (NJ)37.40 FC VIRGINIA ECNL (VA)37.38 PENN FUSION SA ECNL (PAE) 36.62 WORLD CLASS FC ECNL (NYE)36.42 OAKWOOD SC ATTACK NPL (CT) 35.42 PENNSYLVANIA CLASSICS ACADEMY (PAE) ECNL39.22 MCLEAN YS ECNL (VA)37.21 BETHESDA SC ECNL (MD)37.03 FC BUCKS ECNL (PAE)36.80 MATCH FIT ACADEMY FC ECNL (NJ)36.65 MARYLAND UNITED FC ECNL (MD) 36.62 CONNECTICUT FC ECNL (CT) 36.53 RICHMOND UNITED ECNL (VA)36.36 ALBERTSON SC ECNL (NYE) 36.30 FC BOSTON SCORPIONS ECNL (MA) 36.19 CONTINENTAL FC ECNL (PAE) 36.06 FSA FC ECNL (CT) 35.92 BRADDOCK ROAD YOUTH CLUB ELITE ACADEMY (VA) ERL36.72 GREATER BINGHAMTON FC SELECT (NYW) 36.24 PREMIER SC NAVY STRIKERS (MD) 35.96 ARLINGTON SA RED (VA)35.92 UNITED FC 1776 XTREME (PAE)35.83 FURY SC ATHLETICA (WV) 35.74 LEHIGH VALLEY UNITED BLACK (PAE) 35.57 FC FREDERICK (MD) 35.41 BEADLING SC ELITE (PAW) 35.35 NJ STALLIONS ACADEMY FREEDOM NPL (NJ) 35.22 CENTURY V SOCCER GOLD (PAW) EDP 37.00 SJEB RUSH ACADEMY (NJ)35.95 NJ WILDCATS FURY NPL (NJ)35.86 SUSA FC ELITE (NYE)35.74 READING RAGE SC MORGAN (PAE) 35.60 WATCHUNG HILLS NJ ELITE FLAMES (NJ) 35.38 NEW YORK SURF SC LI (NYE)35.33 SJEB RUSH PREMIER WHITE (NJ) 35.31 NEW YORK SC ELITE SAPPHIRE (NYE) 35.30 HARLEYSVILLE FC READY (PAE) NorthEast Girls NPL 35.89 FC STARS OF MASSACHUSETTS NPL (MA)35.70 MATCH FIT ACADEMY FC NORTHEAST NPL (NJ) 35.55 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY SOUTH NPL (NJ) 35.43 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY NORTH NPL (NJ) 35.36 WORLD CLASS FC NPL (NYE) New York NPL36.61 SUSA FC NPL (NYE)36.53 PRINCETON SA NPL (NJ) 35.35 NJ STALLIONS ACADEMY FREEDOM NPL (NJ) New England NPL36.69 SOUTH SHORE SELECT FC AP (MA)35.53 GPS MASSACHUSETTS NPL (MA)35.47 NEFC BREAKERS NPL (MA)CCL35.88 VIRGINIA BEACH TRAVEL FC RED (VA)
Below are the national League Qualifying Teams that need to accept their spots and the ECNL teams with a score above 36.00 not from Region 1. Most of the ERL/EDP teams are a pickem or underdog by a goal vs the top ECNL teams it becomes a 2 to 3 goal margin.38.00 Florida Elite 2001 (FL)38.00 Nationals Union 01 Black (MI)37.31 Michigan Jaguars 01 Green (MI)37.30 2001 Tennessee SC Showcase (TN)37.01 Legends FC 01 Academy (CA-S)36.91 AZ Arsenal 01 Premier Teal (AZ)36.84 EGA 01 Maroon Omaha (NE) 36.80 Rebels SC 01 Elite (CA-S)36.73 PacNW 01 Maroon (WA)36.72 Greater Binghamton FC (NY-W)36.53 Fullerton Rangers 01 White (CA-S) 36.33 Fever United (TX-N)36.19 United FA 01 Premier (GA)36.17 CUP Gold 01 (OH-S)36.06 USA Stars Academy 01 (CA-N)35.98 Nationals Unions 01 Red (MI)35.96 Arlington SA 01 Red (VA)35.92 BRYC Elite Academy 01/02 (VA)35.70 Sting East 01 Dunstan (TX-N)35.57 FC Frederick 01 (MD)35.35 NJ Stallions 01 Freedom (NJ)Top ECNL non- Region 1 teams above 36.0039.60 SO CAL BLUES ECNL (CAS)38.68 FC DALLAS ECNL (TXN)38.42 CONCORDE FIRE SC ECNL (GA)38.38 DAVIS LEGACY SC RED (CAN)38.22 TOPHAT SC ECNL (GA)38.00 STING SC DALLAS ECNL (TXN)37.93 SOLAR SC CHELSEA ECNL (TXN)37.85 ECLIPSE SELECT SC ECNL (IL)37.89 OHIO ELITE SA ECNL (OS)37.77 WEST COAST FC CA ECNL (CAS)37.75 OHIO PREMIER ECNL (OH)37.65 MOUNTAIN VIEW LOS ALTOS ECNL (CAN)37.58 MICHIGAN HAWKS ECNL (MI)37.39 SLAMMERS FC ECNL (CAS)37.29 WEST FLORIDA FLAMES SC ECNL (FL)37.24 MUSTANG SC ECNL (CAN)37.05 REAL SO CAL ECNL (CAS)37.03 JACKSONVILLE FC ECNL (FL)37.02 VARDAR ECNL (MI)36.96 DE ANZA FORCE ECNL (CAN)36.94 SC DEL SOL ECNL (AZ)36.88 DALLAS TEXANS ECNL (TXN)36.88 CHARLOTTE SA ECNL (NC)36.81 EAGLES SC ECNL (CAS)36.73 LONESTAR SC ECNL (TXS)36.70 WASHINGTON PREMIER FC ECNL (WA)36.68 ECLIPSE SELECT SC ELITE ECNL BLACK (IL)36.66 CHALLENGE SC ECNL (TXS)36.63 ST LOUIS SCOTT GALLAGHER SC MO ECNL (MO)36.59 MINNESOTA THUNDER ACADEMY ECNL (MN)36.52 SAN JUAN SC ECNL (CAN)36.39 REAL COLORADO ECNL (CO)36.57 CASL ECNL (NC) 36.35 SPORTING BLUE VALLEY SC ECNL (KS) 36.31 SAN DIEGO SURF SC ECNL (CAS)36.28 ARSENAL FC ECNL (CAS)36.27 TSC HURRICANE ECNL (OK) 36.02 INTERNATIONALS SC ECNL (ON)
Big ouch for classics club today4 games 4 losses
Matchfit beat PDA 2-0 and today tied PF 2-2.....would that rank them above them both?
PF tied again?
Mf is a complete disaster scrounging for players. They beat pda only because pda didn't play all starters. Mf over their heads this season
Other blogs say it all
Is it true that LC left NJX mid season? Are both her daughters playing for PDA shore? Will she coach there too?
7:39PDA had their guns that game. And were competing fully to win.PDA was confused offensively with Match Fit's midfield and back line.It wasnt pretty.Some parents were muttering how poorly their (PDA) team played - that it was a bi of a fluke, but aggressive pressing vs "build from the back" teams will cause that at times.Credit Match Fit - and stop with the mythology, 7:39. Your team was BEAT. Own it. And hope to be better vs MF next chance you get
I have watched MF. They are a good club. Do they have ups and downs. Of course. What club doesn't? I am not a MF parent. I just see holes in all of them, including my kid's. You have to ask yourself. Is your kid developing? Is she improving? Is she learning the game more every week? If so, then that is why you are shelling out the big bucks. If not, then a change may be in order.
10:22 - Agreed. Coaches need to be aware of the teams they are playing in aggressive playing vs. build from the back and plan accordingly. And, the kids have to be able to do what is expected of them. I see a lot of ball watching going on. Maybe it is just my observation.
Teams have bad games! 1 game no need to pass judgement.
ECNL Scores not reportedMay 20thAlbertson SC ECNL U16 vs FSA FC ECNL U16MAY 21stWNY Flash Academy ECNL U16 vs World Class FC ECNL U16Albertson SC ECNL U16 vs Connecticut FC ECNL U16Penn Fusion SA ECNL U16 vs Continental FC ECNL U16East Meadow SC ECNL U16 vs FSA FC ECNL U16Pts (games to be played)Champions League34 (4) FC Stars of Massachusetts ECNL U1625 (5) Boston Breakers Academy ECNL U1623 (6) PDA ECNL U1621 (5) FC Bucks ECNL U1618 (6) Penn Fusion SA ECNL U16Wildcard18 (6) Connecticut FC ECNL U1617 (5) Match Fit Academy ECNL U16North American Cup12 (7) Albertson SC ECNL U16
NPL Northeast Girls League 2016-2017Scores not reported:Sat, May 13, 2017PDA North 01 NPL vs PDA South 01 NPLSat, May 20, 2017World Class FC 01 NPL vs PDA North 01 NPLSun, May 21, 2017Albertson Fury 01 NPL vs Connecticut FC 01 NPLFC Bucks 01 NPL vs Match Fit Academy 01 NPLPenn Fusion SA 01 NPL vs Continental FC 01 NPLFC Boston 01 NPL vs FC Stars 01 NPLPts (games to be played)22 (3) FC Stars 01 NPL 19 (4) World Class FC 01 NPL 19 (2) PDA South 01 NPL 18 (2) Connecticut FC 01 NPL 17 (4) PDA North 01 NPL 14 (4) Match Fit Academy 01 NPL
NYCSL NPL 2016-2017Scores not reported5/7/2017STA NPL-01 vs Princeton NPL-015/14/2017Manhattan NPL-01 vs NJ Stallions NPL-0105/21/2017SUSA NPL-01 vs Massapequa NPL-01New York SC NPL-01 vs Manhattan NPL-01Brentwood NPL-01 vs Quickstrike NPL-01NJ Stallions NPL-01 vs Princeton NPL-01Pts (games to be played)18 (3) SUSA FC NPL-0115 (3) Princeton SA NPL-0111 (1) NJ Crush FC NPL-0110 (3) Manhattan Soccer Club NPL-018 (3) STA NPL-017 (5) NJ Stallions Academy NPL-016 (3) Brentwood Youth Soccer Club NPL-015 (3) Massapequa Soccer Club NPL-012 (4) New York Soccer Club NPL-012 (2) Quickstrike FC NPL-01
NOW today's mf team showed up. Lol. I feel bad for any parent shelling money out for that team
The FC Bucks 01 team is one of the better teams in the NE division. 2-2 draw vs. PF and 0-2 vs. FCB isn't a bad showing. Not as good of a showing as when MF beat PDA 2-0, but still not bad.
Give it time. With the amount of good quality girls leaving to pursue other avenues MF will fall further. I'm certain the DA will hurt them. Add the asinine coaching into the mix and you have the perfect storm lol The pda tourney should be good to sit back and watch
4:23 Bad day today for Classics club teams, but most likely caused by some of the players have already mentally checked out since tryouts. Those that know they are DA bound have nothing to prove and those that are not DA bound could care less. Classics 01's lost 4-1 to a 1776 team that is a combined 01/02 team that carries committed players and even more importantly, a committed coach (and a mom that scares the hell out of everybody). Every so often, team continuity pays off.
Not bad? 2-2 and 0-2 is not good. FCB aren't great but def better than MF. Beating PDA was an upset and upsets happen but that doesn't make them a good team. im not saying they are a bad team but 5-4-2 is not a great record.
PDA 4 - Boston Breakers 2
I heard NJX is breaking up as the heavy coach took some girls to PDA Shore and everyone is jumping ship trying not to be the last one standing. Its a shame both mom-mangers could not get along.
4:44Match Fit gets the players that have been waiting for ECNL slots to open upThe top of the NPL/EDP
Hi 8:55,PA Classics were big and strong but were not fast and quick. You can't win if you get beat to the ball. I can't speak for whether they were checked out or not but they definitely gave up in the second half. They were soundly beat 4-0 and i don't think anyone who saw the game would deny it. If they have any notions of playing college soccer, I would hope that they wouldn't ever say that they just didn't care about winning a State Championship. That doesn't bode well for their resilience as players.It is true that 1776 have a strong coach, but more importantly they have have played a much harder schedule this year, so they were better prepared and their shut-outs throughout the tournament attest to that. I would also like to say that the PAC coach was a class act at the end and they are clearly a quality team.One other comment is that I see a lot of hate for PF and other teams. Fact is that PF suffers from having too many good players but an inability to provide the level coaching and competition for the riches they have. Like many clubs, if you don't make the top squad, you are just considered part of the subscription pool and they don't try to get you seen by D1. But make now mistake, despite losing 0-9 to So Cal Blues, they are a really strong team.The other thing I would say is that there is a lot of anxiety on this board about which team is better and which league is better. The fact is that we tend to forget that the regional rankings between say # 10 and # 26 is about a one goal probability, which as we all know, is easily overcome on any given day. Chances are your daughter is a pretty damned good player -- as is that team she is playing against, so have some due respect for everyone here.
2-2 vs. PF and 0-2 vs. FCB on the road was not nearly as good as the weekend they beat PDA 2-0. Some weekends are better than others.
10:10PAC parent here...Your post was well written and accurate. Good analysis.I think we had 2 shots on goal?
@10:11I would suggest that judging your team off of one win may not in fact be the most appropriate metric of how good they are. How about the 4 losses versus 5 wins. I am not saying they are a bad, bad teams don't beat top teams. What I am saying is they are mediocre (5-4-2). Not every team in a league can be good/great. Just using normal distribution would suggest top 3 are good, bottom 3 are bad, middle are mediocre.
I am not sure I agree entirely with 10:25 but more so that at least bottom 5 are really not good and I might include PF in top group, albeit they are struggling recently. The rest are definitely average ECNL teams which in itself is not a bad thing.
10:33 I have one question for you. If the bottom 5 are bad and we remove another 5 Penn Fusion, PDA, FC Stars, Boston breakers and World Class from the equation since their 1st teams will be GDA and their NPL teams will become ECNL. Is average still a good thing as they will become the TOP.GDA top of the pyramid.2 Options after that for teams to play Nationally - which is better depends on who you ask. US Club >> ECNL >> NPL >> National CupUS Youth Soccer >> National League >> Regional League >> NCSActually 3 - If we include Super Y
Using Youth Soccer RankingsScore - number of region 1 teamstier 1 39+ - 1 teamtier 2 38-39 - 2 teamstier 3 37-38 - 5 teamstier 4 36-37 - 17 teamstier 5 35-36 - 32 teamstier 6 34-35 - 49 teamsTop 31 MCLEAN YS ECNL (VA) 2 FC STARS OF MASSACHUSETTS ECNL (MA)3 BOSTON BREAKERS ACADEMY ECNL (MA)
5:07 - YSR is very informative as an overall view, but the ECNL league only cares about ECNL league games/league showcases. So, non-ECNL stuff, doesn't really come into play when you are looking at the ECNL breakdown for next year after the GDA seasons start. I would defer to poster at 1:00 as to the remaining teams/players in each conference.
Continuing and any new ECNL teams that are joining as of 8/1/17.
I know and the Non-ECNL teams only care about their NPL and State Cup results. Everything else is just a showcase just like the ECNL teams that's a given,they care about their results that get them the hardware just like ECNL. YST shows that their are levels of teams level 4 can hang with level 3 and levels,4,5,6 is any ones game (almost 100 teams are under 2 goal spreads. And it also shows that there are about 8 teams right now in the upper class.below is another update for those that like resultsUS Club National Cup XVI Westfield, INJuly 21-24, 20171. Connecticut Cup2. Florida Cup (IMG Academy '01)3. Hawaii State Cup (Hawaii Surf SC ’01)4. Maine Cup 5. Massachusetts Cup6. New Hampshire Cup 7. Rhode Island Cup8. New Jersey Cup (Princeton SA IGFA ’01 NPL)9. New York Cup 10. NorCal State Cup 11. Washington Cup12. Midwest Regional Minnesota US Club Cup Ohio State Cup 13. West Regional 14. Northwest Regional 15. Mid-Atlantic Regional Maryland Cup Pennsylvania Cup 16. Southeast Regional
9:43 - Then you're not familiar with ECNL. No hardware given out until last games of the season; post season. So ECNL isn't about the hardware at all. The other leagues collect those for every tourney, state cup, turkeyhill cup, soccer-thon.
Hardware = title.NCS advances to regional who advances to national 1 team from 13 statesECNL sends half their teams to national - seems a little easy no?Talk about participation awards.
ECNL Northeast Division14 total teams and 10 qualify for a event? WoW you need to be really good to qualify, no slip ups allowed5 Champions League 2 Wildcards 3 Showcase 4 did not qualify
7:13am, ECNL is a much stronger league at this point. It will change a bit after time with the DA. USYS is more or less rec level. The teams are lower level and the events put on by USYS are poorly run. That is why ALL the nations best clubs left for the ECNL years ago. Also, see below. You will see 4 teams advance to Nationals.ECNL:Each conference will have a certain number of automatic qualifiers based on the size of the conference. In total, twenty eight (28) teams per age group will earn automatic berths in the ECNL Champions League in this manner. Results in regular season conference games will also determine which teams qualify for wildcard consideration for the ECNL Champions League. An additional fifteen (15) teams will be in consideration for a wildcard berth in the ECNL Champions League based on their conference results. Of these fifteen (15) teams in the wildcard pool, the top four (4) teams based on points-per-game from ALL games played, conference and national event, will qualify for the ECNL Champions League. The U15-U17 ECNL Champions League Playoffs is a 32-team group-play, round-robin competition, followed by a knockout round. From group play, eight (8) teams will advance directly to a single game, single-elimination knockout match. The Playoff competition takes place over five (5) days. U15, U16, & U17 ECNL Champions League Playoffs take place June 23-27 in Rockford, IL.Upon completion of the Playoffs, four (4) teams, in each age group, will advance from the ECNL Playoffs to the ECNL Final IV/National Finals taking place July 7-8.U15, U16, & U17 ECNL Champions League Finals take place July 7-8 at San Diego Polo Fields
Okay Rec League USYS15 states god knows how many teams play for a state champiosnhip.15 champions 1 from each state plus Regional league Champion.Advanceto a 16team Regional Tournament where ONLY ONE teams advancesto the Finals.It's called earn your spot.ECNL 70 Clubs32 go to Champions League16 got toNorth American event16 go to show case event6 don'tplay for anything.That looks like participation awards and that is very much rec not very elite when everyone qualifies for something.That's what it was and know you have clubs like FC bucks and CFC Delco in position to run things since they will beplaying ve 5 very bad teams and PDA, BBA, Stars and WC B teams plus we removedPennFusion from the equation. Weaker league with participation awards vs Earn your place?Which one is rec again?
The current WPA, RI, WNY, VT, NH, ME, DE, WV and MA are all low low level teams at regionals. Those are community teams, rec teams. Often these states only have 1 team enter their state cup. Go back in time and look at USYS regional results prior to the start of ECNL and you will see that ECNL clubs were almost always the winners in every age group for girls. There were times that ECNL clubs were beating teams by 15 goals at USYS regionals. It was a waste of time, money and energy. Today states back out of USYS regionals every year before the event starts because they don't have enough players. Some teams can't even make it through the entire event and don't finish games in group play. USYS was a joke, and became a greater joke after the ECNL clubs left. Not to mention hosting USYS regionals on dirt fields in front of zero college coaches. This never happens at an ECNL event. The best clubs, the most college coaches, the best fields and the highest level. Upon completion of the ECNL Playoffs, four (4) teams, in each age group, will advance from the ECNL Playoffs to the ECNL Final IV/National Finals taking place July 7-8. This is the true National Champion.
Interesting 12:48? The WV team is playing at PDA this weekend. Didn't PDA accepts rec teams. ECNL just accepted clubs from WPA and WNY as did the GDA.VT, ME, DE I agree with. But a previous poster said ECNL Northeast has 5 bad teams out of 14 that's 36% compared to the 37% those states represent. Not seeing it. Prior to GDA I was an ECNL junkie and know I will become a GDA junkie. USYS and ECNL not that much of difference.Future ECNL clubsFlorid Elite won National league BlackTennessee SC came in 3rdBRYC was relegated from ERL EliteEGA came in 2ndNot a lot of dominance going on, let's see how they do in the ECNL.Beadling is better than the RiverhoundsGBFC is not a bad team1776 is not a bad teamFC Frederick is not a bad teamSJEB is not a bad teamNJ Stallions are not a bad teamKeep throwing dirt
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10:10 That was a well written and well spoken post. Although I do agree that the Classics coach is a picture of class win or lose, I will disagree about the quality of the team itself. Have see two of their games this year and they never connected three passes in a row and in one game hardly even crossed midfield. 1776 is sort of proving that there is some merit to a team instilling a sense of continuity. On another note, is PDA Shore that bad? or was that the wrong score that was posted for them last weekend? PDA's too good of a club to have a team lose 4-0 to a PA team that didn't even get out of the first round of their state cup tourney.
10:54 I completely agree. Also, while I agree the big clubs went ECNL, it doesn't necessarily mean the best teams are ECNL. I've had kids in youth soccer for over two decades. Knowing so many people, and hearing their stories, I wouldn't go near ECNL. If you're good, you're good. Reach out to college coaches, go to their camps, and prove yourself. None of my kids ever switched teams (I know some people are forced to for various reasons). They learned the value of loyalty of players, as well as coaches, and yes, the value of earning your spot. They stuck with their teammates & learned to work through the struggles of being on the field with players who may not be considered elite. They learned to compensate, adjust & accept.... which is what they'll have to do in every aspect of life. From what I see, when I step back and look at the big picture, most of ECNL is a business, with a whole lot of politics thrown into the mix. The value of being part of a team (not just until you see grass that may seem greener), as well as the beauty of the game, have been lost. Evidence of the stress and tension of it all, is the tone of many of the comments here. We all want the best for all of these kids. Sometimes we do things correctly. Sometimes we don't. Full disclosure, I've been extremely lucky to have good experiences over the years, as far as coaches, parents, players, results, etc.
The below look like some really good games between ECNL and Region 1 teamsSJEB0-2 PENN FUSION SA ECNL 2-2 ALBERTSON SC ECNL2-0 BETHESDA SC ECNLPREMIER SC NAVY STRIKERS0-2 CONNECTICUT FC ECNL2-2 BETHESDA SC ECNL1-2 ALBERTSON SC ECNL17761-2 BETHESDA SC ECNL1-1 FC VIRGINIA ECNL2-4 ALBERTSON SC ECNL0-2 MCLEAN YS ECNL1-0 ALBERTSON SC ECNLVIRGINIA BEACH TRAVEL FC RED5-3 MARYLAND UNITED FC ECNL
7:13 - when did 25 solid and wildcards to maybe 30 become 1/2 of about 75 clubs to champions? Are there tiers of championship play? Sure. Just like there are tiers in other leagues. Unlike some other leagues, the teams don't start and stop in a designated bracket. It's all in and it all flushes out in the end.
10:54 - rec is the quality of play overall. Not every team of course, but overall. Yes. Quality isn't there. Watched a few NCS games and these were alleged high quality teams. It looked like high school overall. Good high school, but high school. Mostly it was kick and run. Not even direct long balls; just get it up there and someone should hunt it down. I am all for this too in a game to change it up; catch the opponent on their heels; but not almost every play.
1:07 - yes, PDA is including USYS and NPL teams, but not in their ECNL bracket because this is an ECNL event. That is why you can't collect those highly sought after Got Soccer Points. PDA opened it up to make more $$$. Why not if you have the availability and can schedule a tourney so your NPL and USYS teams in your club can attend and get some college coach face time too on your home fields.
1:41 I agree. Some of the teams playing in the NCS games were terrible. Gets much better in Regional competition, thankfully.
Something has to be said about a team that in there last 13 games have scored 62 goals and only let 7 in.
6:18 What team is that?
I really feel like beating the drum for ECNL over USYS at this age group is a little silly at this point. Sounds like insecurity. The focus at this age is getting in front of colleges of your choice and playing the best you can. Saying that all State Cup teams are rec league is simply trolling for attention. You are clearly just bored and are looking for a rise! I can assure you that many USYS girls are already on college coach's short lists -- so who cares that you think one league is better than the other? What does it matter? Plus, the DA is going to blow the ECNL up with yet another attempt to consolidate talent so all this 'my league is better than yours' nonsense is moot anyway.
Reading Rage PAE. 62 goals for 7 against in 13 games.
Games 27W-D-L 18-5-4Goals For 87Goals Against 30
10:40 Of course that's the goal for every kid from ECNL to Reading Rage. I agree but the compare is fun. ECNL was top of the pyramid now it is just the American league of Youth Soccer and the USYS National League is the National League two top leagues at the same level -one might have a few better teams but in the big picture it is the same.35.90 READING RAGE SC MORGAN if they didn't have that goal differential I would be worried. GAME HISTORY4-0 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY SHORE FUSION 34.609-0 UPPER 90 SOCCER TRAINING ACADEMY FURY 33.037-0 WEST SCHUYLKILL FC ATHLETICA (U18) 30.538-1 LOWER MERION SC SPRINGBOKS (U17) 29.069-0 SOUTHERN CHESTER COUNTY SA DRAGONS 29.995-0 WEST SCHUYLKILL FC ATHLETICA (U18) 30.535-1 MONTGOMERY UNITED SC FC BOMBERS 33.454-4 HARLEYSVILLE FC READY 35.362-1 JERSEY SHORE BOCA JUNIOR FC ELITE MANALAPAN 34.943-0 WEST WINDSOR PLAINSBORO MERCER FC SPURS 34.874-0 WEST WINDSOR PLAINSBORO MERCER FC SPURS 34.872-0 WILMINGTON HAMMERHEADS FC LADIES WHITE 34.510-0 SOUTH CENTRAL PREMIER SPIRIT 33.97
Have never heard of or ever seen these opposing teams....Good example of chasing points and not being challenged...
Am I missing something? GOS has two losses for their appearance at the College Player's Showcase (3/17):1-5 - West Coast FC ECNL 2001;1-4 - SD Surf ECNL Academy 2001Reading Rage 01's finished 4th in their bracket behind these two teams and another; with 8 GF and 9 GA's.
Hahahaha. Yeah, let's not include those. Classic.
Reading Rage were out in the first round of the PA State Cup tournament. Given the scoring, they probably have some talented strikers or a good coach or both. But, clearly they need to be challenged, as you can't be prepared to compete with strongest teams at crunch time if you are used to a weak schedule. My bet is that those players that are producing all those goals may be looking to go to a better team next year. If you look at the comment by 1:33PM above, you will see the State Champs, 1776, have played at least 5 different top ECNL teams this year. No, they didn't win much against them, but they were certainly ready for the PA State Cup afterwards. You have to challenge yourself if you want to get better. A huge GD over the season is only impressive if you are at the top of the YSR national rankings.
W 74-0 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY SHORE FUSION2-1 JERSEY SHORE BOCA JUNIOR FC ELITE MANALAPAN2-1 PENN FUSION SA NPL1-0 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY NORTH NPL2-0 FC BUCKS NPL 1-0 HBC SC SPARK1-0 HARLEYSVILLE FC READYT 74-4 HARLEYSVILLE FC READY0-0 SOUTH CENTRAL PREMIER SPIRIT1-1 SJEB RUSH ACADEMY 1-1 PENNSYLVANIA CLASSICS ACADEMY2-2 ROCHESTER FC 16U0-0 PENN UNITED FORCE FC1-1 FC BUCKS NPL L 52-3 PENN LEGACY BLACK1-4 SAN DIEGO SURF SC ECNL0-5 WEST COAST FC CA ECNL 1-5 PRINCETON SA NPL1-2 TRIANGLE FC ALLIANCE FUTBOL SELECTVS all other low level teamsW 12T 0L 0GF 64GA 3GD +61
8:21 look at their scoring 1.4 goals per game doesn't suggest talented strikers or good coaching vs EDP/NPL teams.They scored 5.3 vs lesser teams, most teams will do that.vs High level teamsW 0T 1L 3GF 3 GA 15SJEB RUSH ACADEMY SAN DIEGO SURF SC ECNLWEST COAST FC CA ECNL PRINCETON SA NPL8:21 not sure they would have any players that can impact an ECNL team.But you never know I'm just looking at game results. Actually playing the games that's another story
Can someone share their experience with Capt U?Trying to decide if paying for next step is worth it?Has anyone had an actual offer from one of the invites?
8:21 - i assume this is still Reading Rage 01's? I checked their bracket for Jeff Cup; next to last. Not a (on paper anyway) tough bracket and even there, not a top finish. Actually had a 0-0 draw with the 12th team/last team in the bracket.Congrats for their progression as a soccer team. They look like they are doing well and developing nicely. But, they may want to look to be challenged against tougher teams. If the real objective is to get better, that is what is necessary. And, you should insist this from your club/coach.If it's not and just to have fun and not be challenged (sometimes the harder games are not always fun), then continue as usual and enjoy it.
9:56 I have not but would imagine if the school was serious about an offer the player would know there was serious interest from the club coach or HS coach.My first time at the rodeo also.
Prior to State Cup Rage did play some good ECNL teams to get ready.Reading Morgan 01 vs. ECNLSan Diego Surf ECNL, 1-4 LWest Coast ECNL, 0-5 LContinental FC ECNL (scrimmage) 0-3 L
9:56Pay for a recruiting service won't help you. You can email the college coach just like a recruiting service can email a college coach. NO college coach wants to get an email from a recruiting service. If you want to be recruited then get on a team with a club coach that has a background with college recruiting and knows the college coaches. You better do it soon if you are a 2019 or older as you are running low on time to play D-I.
11:43 - nobody counts scrimmages. They are experiments/practices. Pretty shallow of you to throw that out there. Looks like you were just trolling for some press. Drop the balloons at another time.
To the Rage parent, coach, member, fan who posted the note originally, did you really expect them to be lauded? On this blog? It's brutal. No one gives virtual high fives here. Put it in your club newsletter if that's what you envisioned.
There is one thing going on at Rage and that is individuals making sure they are getting paid. You will get strung along and milked for every dime and after your kids senior year of high school all you will have are meaningless tournament trophies collecting dust on a shelf. Get out while you can. Classics DA is the best option for good players in the Reading area.
12;16 you lie - I always give props. Are you telling me their game log is the same as say 1776 from PA? or IGFA from NJ, Frederick from MD, Beach from VA or SUSA NPL from NY? See I just gave props to a team from each state.
12:38 -- That is a great comment! Props to you! Group Hug!
@12:38. Liquid lunch have we??? And, looks like you gave yourself a post prop immediately thereafter. btw - props means respect not name dropping. The post you RAGED on about Rage said they probably needed to have more soccer street cred to receive any props. And, they do. Not sure you read the recent posts stating with 5/23 at 6:18. Seems like the poster wanted some atta boys for Rage and that's not what they got.
This conversation leads to another question. For non-ecnl and even ecnl teams, where are these competitive leagues everyone speaks of? Each league you look at has a top three or four teams that lay waste to the bottom three or four. Then there's a couple teams in the middle that can compete with the top teams for a half and then the roof caves in, and in turn they get their wins of each other and the bottom teams.With all the changes in girls soccer over the last two years, it has become so fractured that nobody knows where the next good league or teams will come from (other than PDA, their always consistent). Never before has players left clubs in such large numbers in the hopes of either being one of the center pieces or just to find play time minutes. Its easy for clubs to claim they have the best model available because every year there's a new prototype put out there. As for 12:38 saying that Classics DA is thing going, lets see where your thought process in six months. Maybe it will be the same, but how can you know when they haven't even had a practice yet and their coaches like to be paid as well.
Classics DA is closed bud...too late
I am very interested to see how these numbers change for the ECNL as the GDA will take credit for players playing in the GDA and post numbers just like the ECNL does.Currently the ECNL Class of 2017 Collegiate Soccer Players has 1,409 players or an average of 16.77 per team.Youth soccer tracks commitments also but they pout this disclammer "These are the commitments reported to US Youth Soccer and may not be complete". I'm guessing they leave this up to the teams to report. Looking at the U19/20 age group as this is the age going into college 2017 their total is 157 players or an average of 9.81 per team.The question is as GDA takes away from ECNL numbers will USYS cut into the difference currently 16.77 vs 9.81This goes with my previous post of the ECNL letting 76% of it's teams playing for title or I believe the term I used was "hardware"Comnpared to 38% of the 84 teams from their 4 Regional league 1st Divisions. Note the number is a lot less as This does not include State Cups and other avenues of qualification.The Big ECNL clubs did not like this as this gave the little guy a chance, made their own league closed it and said every club must field a team in an age group regardless of how good they are. Put together a few showcases and all the college coaches flocked to the events as you had all the big clubs together. This is all going to change next season with the GDA
Now I am answering my post as I forgot something. The same big clubs have made agrrements with NWSL and MLS clubs now. Leaving the ECNL a league of Big club B teams and the next level club A teams. Very much like the USYS NL. I think the numbers will be the same from a college commitment point of view and it really doesn't matter where your kid plays as long as the team is good, your kid is good and they play in either the GDA, ECNL or NL.
3:03 - Please know that the third level tier in ECNL post season play is entitled "Showcase" because that is all it is. It's an invite to compete against others in that bracket and showcase for the many coaches that attend the ECNL post season events. Many don't consider this anything other than what it is just an opportunity to showcase. I would hardly put this in the same category as Champions or even North American Cup.
3:03 - who cares? As you finally said in your next post, you play where you play. And, if you get seen, great, if not, walk on. See, not as many words.
3:03 - and yes, GDA will take credit for all players leaving to play in college wearing it's crest. That's what the other leagues do as well. The last club shirt/league emblem on gets the credit.
@3:30 - hahahahaha. Agreed. Yeah, who is going to tell US Soccer/THE Federation that they can't take the credit?
2:20 Everyone knows Classics DA is closed. They have managed to fill their roster with some of the best "B" team players, low work ethic players and slow footed players they could find. How could they possibly fit anymore on there? The good news is your defensive backs and keepers will really be able to showcase their skills throughout the year and your mids will be able to show how well they work back on defense too.Your 02 team got hammered at Jeff, and really has shown no real improvement since then. Yet Classics deemed that this team was worthy of 7 players to add to their DA team. But of course they did redeem themselves and added some stellar 01's from their less than average 01 team and of course those awesome 01 "B" team players. Basically Classics could hold three more tryouts and still no one would tryout. You have a right to hold your head high as the smell that comes from whats going on there is pretty bad.
Jesus, dude. Lighten up. You are talking about kids here. Have a little bit of maturity.
Sounds like Tino is worried players will go to PAC .
sounds like a bitter 01 PAC parent whos kid didn't make the DA
10:10 - no, he's worried they will want to come to PF. chuckle, chuckle sorry. couldn't resist. And, agreed. 8:57 if you want to rail on that club, okay. But, wow lighten up on the kids.
10:38 that is exactly what it sounds like. Too many specifics mentioned while trying to tear apart the club/kids to be anyone else.
@8:57 - wrong. the smell is from manure. That's cow tipping country you know.
@ 8:57 sorry your daughter couldn't make PAC DA. I'm sure a team somewhere will take her . Best of luck !
Wow 8:57, I hope you have a session scheduled today with your shrink!Your beef should be CC or MH, not with the girls! Not sure if your daughter is 02 or 01 and didn't make it but you definitely gave yourself away. Watch the stares on the sidelines at the next game as parents try to figure out who wrote this post.Where is she playing this weekend? Please try to encourage her to play her game and show the coaches that perhaps they make a wrong decision...
Obviously an 01 PAC parent. I'm sure no one will be sad to see that parent off the sidelines. I agree, any beef should be with the coaches, try to gather some maturity 8:57.
Could be 02 also. Either way...try to remain the adult dude. I understand the first few days after tryout are emotional but your anger is still bubbling over!! I assume your daughter is finishing the season with her team, be her support not detriment!
If the club is desperate enough to put 01 B team kids on the GDA, I would assume that all of the 01A team kids made the DA. I don't think its a current 01 "academy" parent. maybe 02 kid who didn't get promoted, but i am guessing from a competing club which doesn't want to lose its top kids to the Classics DA. make it look less attractive and maybe discourage an exodus.
3:03 - i don't know. maybe from the description, she turned them down. who would pick that?
I still don't understand how the sport allows/calls for try-outs while still in season. My kids played multiple sports including high level. This is the only one that we experienced that has that overlap.
12:39 - i don't think there is a concern whatsoever.
12:39 Obviously the Classics DA wasn't that attractive if their having to put "B" team players on it to make it viable. PF was just a better choice even if it meant less playing time.
Blame club heads like TM who wanted to get the jump on the other clubs by having "ID Sessions" in the middle of winter to try to pull in girls before the age group change and then before DA. Sticking to some traditional try-out protocol only puts them on even ground with everyone else. There is nothing wrong with competing for talent, but it really underlines most of these clubs' philosophy, which is that players are born -- not made. Who cares that they have half a season left to prove themselves? It doesn't matter because the top players have been and always will be (in the minds of people like CS and TM) the same top girls. Their job is to consolidate regional talent, and convince everyone that they have the secret sauce to get into college. The truth is that the secret sauce isn't some kind of Bundasliga League playing style -- it is good old fashioned talent grabbing. If their secret sauce was so good, then their B teams would dominate everyone except their A teams. They do not. My prediction is that at some point, it will be like college recruiting. US Club, US Soccer, or some other organization, will start mandating the tryout process just as the NCAA mandates the process for soccer recruiting for college.
As everyone gets side tracked into bashing each other's clubs, the point remains...the OP who trashed actual players bc his daughter didn't make the team is despicable and should feel ashamed. Trash the club's decisions if you'd like but leave the girls alone!
1:04Ask your daughter if sitting on a bench is a more viable option?
Early ID sessions and tryouts while the season is still going on should most likely be stopped but coaches are always looking and adding. Human nature is a funny thing. Coaches and parents egos are always competing with players caught in the middle. Occasionally I will see a player whose ego surpasses the coaches and the parents, and can sometimes back it up. But the Girls travel soccer machine is fueled by ego and money. If a club through their coaches identify talent they will stick by that player to prove their decision. I have only once outside of my own coaching experience seen a player come off the bench and dethrone the player she replaced. The coach thought he was going to show up a player and pulled her from a game, her father walked over to the bench, and walked off the field with his daughter, never to be seen again at that club. Saw her playing later for a different team. Coaches in the SE PA region are always scouting their competition as well, not to see how to beat them but to see who they can entice from the top 5 to join his program. If you can’t beat em, have them join you. And parents will follow if they feel their player can get a better deal. I have seen very few new faces added to a team after tryouts, but with the late roster lockdown dates I have seen players added late in the season and prior to tryouts. Coach promises playing time immediately and a roster spot for the following season.
1:11 - the secret sauce is to get kids into a college/college program to allow them to get a good education and continue with their soccer careers where ever it takes them. Speaking as a PF parent, they do.
Sad when parents care more about bragging rights than their kids happiness. No kid is happy to sit the bench. Who cares if a team is winning if your kid cant even say they helped get the win.
Hahaha 1:11 just sounds saucey. carry on.
2:32 - or the loss. There are benches in other sports too you know. And, in college.
2:29 - and sometimes the coaches are jackasses too. There is a way of handling a young kid who is struggling. Humiliation is not one of them.
2:43 - agreed. I have seen coaches through out my years berate a kid for making a mistake and then just pulling her (to show her and to show off). Then relegating the kid to the end of the bench. That's not how you coach young kids. You can substitute them, sit them next to you and explain what they did (have them watch to see what they were doing wrong). Also, I don't agree with the parent taking the kid from the game. You need to learn how to take your lumps too. Shows how thin skinned parent was as well.
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2:23 You can have your daughter ask her as she running by your bench, that is as long as your bench is on your defensive side, especially since that's where most of the game will be played.
So much immaturity on here. I feel for the kids of some of you idiots.
I wish everyone so much joy on the sidelines this weekend!!
11:43 -- wha?? that was a pretty convoluted and awkward response.
Heard JS Boca Manalapan is done after this season. Nice long run for that team is coming to an end.
2:43My daughter had a real JA a few years ago. I think the club kept him around because of some local college connections but then found out he had a past and moved him to the boys side. Should most likely have been let go. Was not a great communicator and the team only played well when the DOC was on the sideline. He did maintain power while the "head" coach with player decisions, the club lost some good players and teams were more than happy to take them as the reputation for playing for this guy and his shenanigans got around.
Sometimes your kids are not good enough. Too many people can't take a hard look at their own kid. On our team we have kids that should not be getting on the field and should have been moved to the B team. If those parents really cared about playing time they would have moved their kids down to the next team. They didn't, so they should suck it up and deal with it. There kid isn't good enough, we all see it, stinks they don't see it. There are lots of soccer teams to play for so maybe people need to find the right level that fits.
9:48 AM A bit of a soccer elitist are we? My frame of reference is ECNL (not sure what yours is as you reference "B" teams). Tryouts level players as capable to compete at a level and incapable. If a coach/staff evaluates for a team of 18-22 and selects 22 players then they see the possibility for the players to compete at the level they are placed. The problem is the selection of 18-22 players is also based on the need to have a squad that provides financial and training support. If your daughter is 1-5 you are good, 6-11 well maybe you need to think that there are others capable to take her time on the field. The creation of an A and a B team or ECNL/NPL is $$. the true process is to select 30 girls, co-roster and select ECNL squad prior to the last practice before the weekend, split the roster down the middle and 15 play ECNL and 15 play NPL, now the girls know where they are leveled, go through the 2 training practices at the start of the next week and re-level before the games. This is true DA mode soccer. Sure some girls will consistently be on the top squad and some consistently on the lower squad. But those that are close to the top may have the ability to play down a few games to work on things. Plus the 30 player roster prepares them for college. Having 2 22 player rosters is a money issue to maintain the large coaching budget and operating costs. With the current model a lot of people are paying for great fields for their daughter to train on with some mediocre coaching.
10:05 I agree 100% - the ECNL as a league even gave these clubs the opportunity to do what you said. Their max roster is 30. But the clubs opted for the money and now many of those same clubs (rebrand or not) have been rewarded with a GDA not because they can develop talent - the good soccer players will be good soccer players but because they can make $$$.I agree the top 5 players will be the same for most coaches all the others depend on the coach/selector and their style of play and opinion of course.9:48 i have no problem with you are saying. However, maybe those parents now their kid can play - be real for a second every player makes mistakes some just have a longer leash. Maybe they are hoping for a chance. But unless the coach changes they will never get it - the coach needs to trust them and sometimes that is hard to earn when he/she is comfortable with the players in his main rotation. So i agree they need to leave but not because the kid can't play but because the coach will never give them a fair shot.
My kid's team has a roster of 18.tier 1: 11 players play 60 mins a gametier 2: 4 players play 40 mins a gametier 3: 3 players play 20 mins a gameThe parents in tier 3 want their kids to play longer - when they do our team can't compete with the top teams and since we are not ECNL where 75% of the teams play for something - our coach has a tough decision. The parents in tier 1 want to win so their kids can play in higher flights and better tournaments. The parents in tier 2 and 3 want their kids to play longer so they can develop further and also want the team to win, but we can't have both.I'm 10:45 Does this make me an elitist?
1. Parents don't choose roster, coaches do and for the $$ many times. If a player is on A team it wasn't the parent unless there's political/$$ kickback, which is an entirely different subject.2. 80% development occurs in training not in games. So if girls aren't increasing playing time, then coach either has written them off or they're not improving.
11:03 I agree
10:58 is spot on. The ECNL level is about winning and not watering the weeds. The GDA will be the same. US Soccer is telling you that the GDA is about developing the best players for national level soccer, which was what the ECNL was about. If your kid is towards the bottom of the team then it is what it is, deal with it. For the bottom kids, it won't be just about playing time at GDA, it will be about who gets to dress for the game. So every week your kid will not only be fighting for playing time, they will be fighting for a seat on the bench. Player selection will be a new problem for some parents. Nobody wants to hear you cry about your kid not getting playing time. We all know what this is about when we sign on for the year. Maybe explore playing golf.
11:59 AM My daughter is not DA but I have a question once the teams start playing. If your daughter is on the team as a 2018/2019 maybe even a 2020 and un-committed and she is not getting in games but dressing do you wait to see? How many games do you wait, and if she is not dressing for the first 2-3 games what do you do? Is there a club option for these girls to play games at a lower level team? Do they jump ship altogether, or do they know going in they are at the end of the bench and accept the opportunity to train and get minutes? My daughter is already committed, not DA, Not ECNL. Her criteria (after academics and location)for selecting the school from the ones that were talking to her was the response of the coach regarding playing time. She asked, the coach provided a sufficient answer that wasn't "Oh I am not in charge of playing time, you are" without further explanation. He laid out why he recruited her and where he sees her contributing as a freshman. Are the DA teams having these conversations with players or are the parents so excited to have the badge that they are assuming their daughter is a key piece on the team??
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12:35 PM True that. and full rides too.
@11:03 - do you mean political like sometimes kids get spots because coaches like them or their parents who maybe help line the fields, handle paperwork, etc. ? Then, yes, i think that happens with most teams.
12:37 - yep, to outstanding schools. A few of my older daughter's friends took that route.
@12:32 -First GDA mandates that every girl plays a minimum of 1 out of every 4 games. This is a minimum. Second if she is on DA, she will be committed regardless. Don't fret, those kids will be ok and chances are very high, they are already committed. My question to you is, why do you seem to think it's the parents chasing the "badge" or all about what the parents want? I think your argument might hold some merit at 9-12, but 16? Do you still determine the level of play and locaiton for your daughter? That normally ends at 13ish. Obviously varies by kid but if you do then i get your post. Criminals think like criminals. Seems to me that all people who's kids are in the ECNL/GDA are for the most part are happy with the it. Those who's kids are not in the ECNL/GDA seem hyper critical. Do the math.
2:11 PM Sometimes I try to figure people like you out. My thought is that you are successful in life or think you are. Your daughter has talent and you take a lot of credit for it. Chasing the badge to me is saying my daughter is on a top level team, but #16 on the roster. If your daughter is truly 1-10, committed to the school of YOUR choice, and happy great. My daughter, as I said is one of the committed players on her team, to the school she wanted to go to. My question was what do you do if you are not committed and not seeing playing time on one of the top teams. Will the coach "feature" a player if a coach is coming to see her? Or is his/her goal as a coach to win and he puts his best 11 on the field. If as you say the 11-22 players will all get college looks how will that be accomplished, coordinate with the College coach show he shows up at the 1 out of 4 games you play? And is that a player will get 80 minutes out of every 320? How is that managed? Do they pay only for the 80? Seems like a big risk to me?? And if that 25% is not understood by the 11-22 going in that's an issue.
First using the phrase "chasing the badge" is not really going to elilcit a genuine response, right? If you are asking a serious question you may want to work on your delivery. You do see that right? Suggesting I take credit for my daughters success is also somewhat hypocritical given I've not once mentioned my daughter's team, playing time or committment; fyi it's a good ECNL team/GDA next year, plays 65-80 min and committed to a top 10 academic school of her choice (I just happen to agree with it). You on the otherhand have, more than once. I enjoy my kids' sports and I don't pass jusdgment on other people for what they do because there is no secret recipe. Soccer is a means to an end for girls for the most part.I truly believe that practicing with top kids day in and day out and scrimmaging them is better for development then starting against arguably lesser competition; ie. HS soccer. So in my opinion a GDA bench player is further ahead than an 80 minuter playing lesser calibre. That is my opinion but I think college coaches feel this way as well. If your daughter is committed I would think you'd know the answers to these questions but if you are in the best place for development and enjoy it there is plenty you can do besides getting featured. Email the coach and say I am playing on this day, or send video of the entire game that you did play, or you go to thier ID camps which, depsite nay sayer on here, are very useful in getting seen. Your future, your responsibility. To answer your question, each coach is different and so you should do your homework and ask questions like this. If you tell your coach, in advance, that the college of your choice is coming to see you and he doesn't play you at all? then you ask for your card and you vote with your feet because you are in the wrong place. The ECNL coaches I know generally play the girls 50/50 in showcases but not in league play necessarily. At this point no one can answer about GDA but I assume it will be similar and if you are GDA calibre and aren't getting what you want there are a lot of teams that would take you in a heartbeat if it doesn't work out. Back to chasing that badge.
4:20- spot on!
I think 2:54 is actually wondering if the school his daughter committed to was a "we'll take it" - and if there was a greater challenge to be had had his daughter pursued other schools
Maybe but I don't need think so. I think it was if you are #16 and not committed what do you do if she doesn't get field time in that environment? Then the questioning of chasing the badge, insinuating parents are more caught up in the letters on the front then doing what's right to get her committed., like he/she did. I agree with the response in that the kid is probably better off being a sub in academy.
If you are #16 and not getting that much plying time then do some ID clinics at lower level D-I or D-III programs.
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