I have seen a kid who has since been to national camp not make varsity as a freshmen. Lots of variables including gym teacher coaches and puberty.
A significant variable is school enrollment. There is a big difference between competing for a roster position at a school with an enrollment of 500 than it is at a school with an enrollment of 2500, particularly if the school is located in an area where soccer is a popular sport.
Yes.Read that: In certain districts playing as a freshman on the FRESHMAN team is nothing to be ashamed of.I wish more girls/families understood this.
There are much different dynamics with high school soccer. The best kids do not always play because seniority counts and many coaches want players to pay their dues.Its all about managing numbers and team dynamics. It is just tough for freshman players that go to large schools... they could be region 1 standouts but not get to play varsity. Very tough on the ego.
keep telling yourself that,the best kids play....I have seen rec kids that are better then most top club kids,they cant play because not all familys have the ability to pay for it...don't kid yourself
8:54REC kids that are better than top club kids??????? What club are is you kid playing for?? Laugh-Olympics FC??
Well....you also make a good point about CHOICEClearly there are female athletes playing other sports that could excel at soccer.And no - the "but they cant pay" argument does not hold. The interest has to be there first.How do we get the elite athlete into soccer?
region1 standouts - stop it already - club soccer is very subjective as far as who gets pushed and who makes select teams. Some people just need a reality check when it comes to their knowledge of soccer. A true Region1 soccer player will make any team and it would be visible within the first minute of watching the player - they wouldn't need long looks or going to train with a team before tryouts - they know they are good and it shows because they know exactly what to do when they have the ball and when they don't.Reality check for the parents that think their kids are players they are not. We all think our kids are great - but the really good ones will stick out in a group, if they don't then it's a subjective selection process coach might want physical players or speedy players then it becomes a does your kid have the skill set the coach is looking for not are they a good soccer players.
10:29 pm - being a top high school player does not necessarily equate to a top soccer player in college. Not questioning this girls' ability at all, but no top college soccer program is recruiting a girl that isn't a soccer player, first. And, its a shame, but that is how it is. Remember when sport seasons ended and kids could do multiple sports in and out of school. We were part of this crew. It was a lot of fun.
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No DA for SJEB Rush. I guess the merger really did not mean much huh ?
Schools will take top athletes and give them golf scholarships. They dont have to know how to play golf.
GilliganYour really going to compare learning an individualized sport like golf, to a team oriented sport like soccer? The Minnow is taking on water. Please, the Rec player comment was ridiculous enough. Think about how many excellent players we see at the club level and then multiply it by all the other states that have much higher populations, and with a far greater number of clubs (think California, Texas ect.). With so many great athletes that already are trained, what would be the motivation for a college to give one of their limited scholarships to a volleyball or basketball player? Sorry to bore everyone with this back and forth, I'm done now.
8:54 You can count the top players on rec in NJ by using your arms.If there is a top player that can not afford to pay for a top club.. the club will make it happen.Today's landscape will allow top players to play without paying.You're completely wrong here and the vacuum you're living in needs a filter.
Just keep posted who gets signed this year
10:35 I would have agreed with you prior to this month. When I pick up my kid from HS practice - I watch and I noticed more than 1 player that played at the speed needed to play top shelf soccer. I read so many horror stories nothing like that at my kid's school.So yes I buy into their are top players that understand the game and can play at high levels not on top shelf teams. These kids play local travel because it works for their family. Not everyone want's to drive over 30 minutes to practice a few times a day and then hours to a game. If they did they would make top shelf teams and with that type of training why wouldn't one expect them to be region1 material.
Nice speech, 10:13 (should I call you MaryAnn?)You are insinuating that it could never happen. While I agree it doesnt often happen, yep, it sure could.Think of the top club soccer player that runs track to keep in shape, ends up with......yep.....a TRACK scholarship.Players most often cannot play TWO club sports. For example - playing club soccer often does not leave room for club softball.You are saying that having made the decision to play club SOFTBALL ahead of club SOCCER, though capable of both, would then preclude that player from ever getting an offer to play soccer collegiately, having continued playing soccer for her high school team and school + club on the softball sideI think you had better check yourself.
A girl from the TR area is on D1 soccer and track scholarships at Wagner College in New York. Two sports can be done.
GilliganAgain you point out a scholarship being awarded for an individualized sport,that also happens to be a fast soccer player that also running track. More than half the girls on my daughter"s team runs track in HS, and I'm sure its the same on your daughters team. Please point out to me which colleges are awarding soccer scholarships to these incredibly talented top rec players? Previous poster was correct about soccer clubs letting kids play for discounted cost or no cost at all (especially if their a top rec player). As the famous quote from Jaws goes "its only an island if you look at it from the water". Get off the island Gilligan!
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umm pssst 3:11. we already stated that fast soccer players can run track.
4:46 I think you missed the point. The girl is on 2 college scholarships: soccer AND track. That doesn't happen a lot at the D1 level.
two scholarships??? i hope for just one for my kid.
7:22Didn't miss the point. Players do sometimes play more than one sport in college and one can even be beneficial to the other (track and soccer). It also allows the two coaches to split the scholarship and allows them to award half scholarships to other recruits. Coaches that are awarding the whole scholarship do not want the crossover for fear of injury to their player and lets face it, they need to win to keep their job.I'm just stating that soccer is the one sport that requires a skill set that is usually developed well before a players freshmen year. Tough for a player that's only runs track to step into D1 college soccer game.
8:09 Baseball, Swimming, Gymnastics, Football. Basketball. According to your "logic," all of those parents are wasting money on their kids before their freshman year. Go back to the QVC channel.
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Your getting testy 8:54. Where did you possibly draw that conclusion about parents wasting their money on other sports? My son played club baseball, but also played HS football and basketball, so I'm all for kids playing more than one sport. In fact being able to play multiple sports gives a recruit much greater leverage in the recruiting process. This thread was originally started by a post stating that there are rec players are better than some top level soccer players. Wouldn't you agree that if you daughter hadn't built her soccer foundation between the ages of nine and 14, she would be the player she is now? Kids that don't play the game at a higher level simply fall so far behind. I hope this topic comes up while your watching Dr. Phil and then maybe you'll see the light. You do realize he's not really a doctor?
10:04 Didn't you say "I'm just stating that soccer is THE one sport that requires a skill set that is usually developed well before a players freshmen year." 8:54 seems to suggest other sports require a skill set prior to that year. Gymnastics certainly qualifies.
I stand corrected!! I should have said that soccer is "one" of the sports. Sorry about that and by the way, is it difficult to do gymnastics while watching Dr. Phil? You be careful on that pommel horse and make sure you practice your hip abduction exercises first. Have to admit that you have shown a particular amplitude during this thread.
1:55 - it is very, very rare, today (years ago it happened) for a child to get substantial scholarship money for two sports in a top level program either sport. If the sports are not top level, it is more likely to happen. But, in top level programs (any sport) most coaches that are giving $$$$ wants that athlete for that particular sport, only. No risk of injury in the other sport, etc. And, in a top level soccer program, the girls are expected to play spring ball as well. That would interfere with any spring sport programs such as lacrosse, track, golf, etc. I would love to see it change back, though. Life isn't a dress rehearsal. Gotta get the most out of it you can, including experiencing other sports.
9:53 - maybe better stick with the Brady Bunch. "Gee, Mike, I never thought of it that way." Or, Marsha, Marsha, Marsha. Never gets old. :)
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Good advice, particularly if something suddenly comes up, like if my daughter gets hit in the face by an errant ball.
I never thought I would wish for this......SLICK come back,these new guys are the worst...
Soccer season is over keep it moving. No one cares about the statistical bs or the intricate details of GS RANKINGS... It will be screwed up for a while.Best team in each respective state.HBC, IGFA, PENN FUSION, BETHESDA, Virginia ECNL, FC STARS, OAKWOOD.All others are a distant second. Once these teams start playing again it will all change. So keep the chatter going all the rhetoric in the world won't change a thing.
So how many players will look to play at Cedar Stars now that they will have a DA? They will have to bring on a new staff of coaches on the girls side. A lot of chatter about HS soccer, I agree that there are a lot of factors in this equation: coaches relationships with families, number of talented players at the school, style of the play the coach utilizes for the team, outside advocates for certain players in some towns. In a smaller school with less talent Freshman and Sophomores will more than likely make and play on varsity teams, in larger schools that is usually not the case. But in the end it all depends on the talent of the players older than them, so don't worry if your daughter is in that situation, you could always send her to private school if soccer is the only thing that you care about.On a side note, I have noticed a weird coach from a club, coming to watch scrimmage HS games, with no daughter playing on the team. Someone should call the cops on that guy, and there are names for people like that..........
10:03 - Considering the crew on this blog, I would add to your list: Janice - Maggie Wheeler (in character). My apologies to 10:50.
9:14 "Maggie" is at least third on that list. And I'm sure she's a great soccer player too.
Re: coaches watching scrimmages - Blow it out your butt, 8:19.And you're an idiot - freshmen often play at larger schools - if it is a serious program.
Seems like some anger management is in order.
9:53 if its a serious program its well stocked and often freshmen do not play. If its an program that's rebuilding, I agree with you that they will no hesitate to start freshmen. Not sure of the numbers anymore, but it use to be a freshmen could play 20 or 30 percent of the teams games and still go the red shirt route.
Wrong again - just check the top programs in Bergen County - FRESHMEN.
808this is a u16 blog,not u17 ,go where you belong.....those teams wont have a shot at u17,diffrent world my little friend.....
I'm wondering what other parents are thinking about high school soccer. It's painful to watch. My daughter is playing at a really good SJ school. Really good coach. Couple really good players. But the majority of the team is made up of thick aggressive girls with no skill or soccer knowledge. The soccer is horrible to watch. Thoughts ?
Gotta suck it up 8:08!! I assume your daughter wants to play. It is very painful to watch at times, especially when 75% of seniors shouldn't be playing varsity! But the social draw for the girls is immense. Speaking for my 2 daughters, their club ball doesn't begin until HS season is over...Once DA is introduced, then the choice will be theirs....
CHOICE people, stop bitching!!! Who is forcing your daughter to play HS soccer?Choose and move on, no need to belittle another person for choosing differently. There aren't 2 HS soccer programs that are the same anywhere! You can compare experiences but that's about it!I believe cross country and tennis are also offered in the fall....
High School soccer is awesome! I hear so many horror stories but for my children the experience has been great. The camaraderie, the school spirit, the chance to get your name in the paper, what more can you ask for? I think comparing it to club soccer or academy level soccer is really unfair. I have 4 daughters from a senior to an incoming freshman this year. Each has different skill sets. 2 will definitely play in college while 2 will see their careers end once HS soccer is over. Being able to watch the 4 of them play together on the same team for the same cause is a blessing. So I love HS soccer!
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High School soccer is a different experience for all. Some will like it some will not. It is normally a different style of play then what you are used to watching your daughters play for their club teams. It tends to be more direct with a slew of athletes that can run, many don't know the game that well. There also tends to be more injuries in HS soccer, this could be the result of many factors. I hope for those that are playing it is a good experience and they make it through the season healthy.But for those whose daughter didn't make the level of HS you thought she should, it could be a good teaching scenario. It could be because she didn't have the connection you thought she did, that club coach who said he had the shoe in for you if you played for him, and you payed all that money last year for a crap team with a horrible baseball, I mean soccer coach. How did that work for you?
8:35 must be having a bad morning. Multiple posters are discussing the merits of HS soccer and now it must stop? Might have been insulted by the aggressive thick player comment.
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So yet again Cats are only NJ team in top bracket, and only team at WAGS in top 3. why?
Only team from nj to apply?
As far as HS soccer goes. Think about if your girl is in state championship match up at Kean in November? I believe 4 teams head up to Kean on Saturday and last two standing play Sunday for championship. Single elimination, ya never know? That would be well worth HS soccer.
Watch out for Bracket #3's LoudonDirty team.
2:05 What is Kean?
WAGS,,,,LOL<<<<save your money....WAGS is for u14 and under....stick with HS soccer,
Sorry your team didn't get accepted
Kean is a university in NJ. Based on post, NJ state cup game must be held at that site.
Kean University is where they hold the semi's and finals for High School soccer in NJ for state championships boys and girls. If you are up there in November you are going for a state championship for HS.
So HS soccer has a regular season, Conf tournament, district tournament and state tournament? Lot's of soccer to be played during HS years. Good Stuff.If your kid is on a good HS and club team
For a ninth grader playing HS soccer and club in Sept/Oct/Nov - YES - can be a LOT of soccerBe careful.
It is irresponsible to have your daughter play HS soccer and club soccer at same time. You are asking for an ACL/MCL over use injury.
6:41 - It's not at the same time... HS ends then club starts
Yes, 6:41Birth year system has changed this. Up til last season some 9th graders had fall club league schedulesSome clubs ARE participating in tournaments during the fall, with their HS age players, however
There are many freshman being asked to play HS and club at same time. Wildcats are being asked to train on top of HS iso they can get destroyed at WAGS. Let's just all somehow mange to stay healthy but sometimes overuse injury won't hit a kid until November tournaments when HS is over.
2001 team out of Union is pretty good.Played U15 last season and was very competitive. All girls are 2001's they will be u16 this fall. Played in some upper level tournaments.
When did union play on good tournaments? Did they play at Disney, CASL, Jeff cup? That would be a no. They chose to play in the lower state cup; that tells you all you need to know.
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