3:08 and 3:22 Those are horrible things to say! First of all, I was talking about the midfield as a group and not a singular player. As for the coach, a race care can only go as fast as the engine that powers it, and this teams is lacking some horsepower upfront and outside. All the coaching in the world will not make players faster than they are.
Rutgers grabbing up those great PDA players!! Seven 2021 commits already and check out how many are from PDA!! Couple more PF and CFC girls finding homes too, so congrats to all the girls. Haven't heard anything from the Misfits, but I'm sure their getting their looks too. Sept 1st should be a big day for all those talented PAC sophomores becoming juniors, phones to start ringing. To much talent for Mid-Majors not to inquire about.
2:47 who the hell cares about 2021???? Worry about your kid and when you have something interesting to post let us know
Camps, camps and more camps. I feel like my kid is playing soccer all year long. Does dead period mean she can't play during that time?
Isn't it amazing how many of these "Camp" emails we get everyday? What a money maker these camps have become for coaches and staff.
5:32 I disagree with your money maker comment to a degree. Yes they are making money for holding the clinics, the money usually goes to the assistant coaches from what I have been told.The way I see it - the school is going to send a mass email to try and attract soccer players to their school. If the players don't go then it's not a money maker. The point is for them to get players interested in their school to come to an environment that they control. They need to find 8 players per graduation year, maybe players they went to see didn't play that much when they went or maybe didn't play at all, maybe they had a bad game. This is a way for the players to show the coaches what they really have since they can't control the minutes on the field to showcase themselves.keep in mind these schools have something like 200 kids at their camps to find 8 or less players. So yes it looks like it's a money grab when 192 players don't make the cut and spend $$.
The National Titles with YSR scoreUSSDAReal Colorado U-16/17 (CO - 37.26ECNLSo Cal Blues SC ECNL U17 (CA) - 39.34USYS NCSUS Club National CupNPL ChampionSouth Shore Select ’01 (MA) - 37.45USYS President's CupChicago Rush Select (IL) - 34.89
3 camps * 150 kids * 500 = 225kI bet you that’s 100k for the coach, 125k to cover everything else. And that’s just summer camps.
Last summer Liberty had 90 kids at 250 bucks each (9 keepers included). That is a good chunk of change and YES, initially it did look like a money grab. Except that it was a very well run camp and as the day went on, the coaches started moving some of the higher level players onto a separate field so they could get a good look. In the end they pulled about 30 or more aside and spoke with them individually about what they did well and what they can do to improve. I don't mind paying for the camp as long as it's well run and the player to coach ratio is good. Any camp that's three hours or less, you may as well set your money on fire and at least you'll be warm for a few seconds.
7/12 10:25Horrible to say? Try honest. Maybe watch the PF or the FCV center midfield. That should help you see clearer.On another note Sept 1 is approaching fast. Im sure there will be a deluge of commitments in Sept/Oct for 2020 especially.Good luck to all these girls in finding their perfect fit. My best advice with camps. Its a waste if the player hasnt been seen prior and/or at least spoken to the coach on the phone.
I did see clearer. The California midfielders are very good and are in camp for the U17 World Cup. PDA is as well. Shame they are going back to ECNL (Slammers and PDA).
7/19 @ 12:31 Have seen those midfields and PACs would look just as good if they were surrounded by the same talent on the outside and strikers. FCV, PF and PDA always offer their mids multiple options and know how to work the back to go forward. They don't just wave their arms demanding the ball and then don't come to it when it's passed.
ouch. Isn't that always the argument. The forwards' parents rant at the midfielders saying the midfielders hold the ball too long and are always dispossessed. How can their little Mia's look good, score and rack the stats when they get no service. midfielder's parents say, of course they lost the ball, there are no options. Or that pass was perfectly timed, directed and weighted, but the forwards "don't come to it". Little discord in PAC. Truth is PAC have no special attacking/midfield players. Without special players scoring and/or creating goals, teams are at best mediocre at the highest levels. They may have some special younger players. Time will tell how this mess levels out in 5 or so years.
7:56 Not having any "special players" kind of nails the real issue at PAC, and why they have had so few commits compared to other DA teams. They have good players with good skills and decent speed. It's why they do okay when facing teams that are similar in skillset and ability, but struggle when the level of play picks up. They need that one special age group that acts as a vanguard and draws others to the club. Like you said, it may take a few years.
Too attract the special players and keep them from driving east to Penn Fusion (often past Lancaster) it would help if they hired a really charismatic coach who could "sell" a currently under performing program and the DA itself. Henning and Klein (if he even cares about the girls) aren't it.
That would certainly help if they had that kind of coach. I think there best bet is to build a really strong core at the younger ages (U12-14) and then offer incentives to keep them there when they are DA eligible. PAC get good numbers at their tryouts and more so now with all the mergers, so building at the lower age groups shouldn't be that tough as long as they put the right coaches in place. At this point though, I'm not sure if MH or SK care enough to rectify problem. It seems like they care more about having three teams at each age group.
Three teams equals $$$Agree they need their best coaches with some marketing ability with the u10-13s in my opinion. else their best will continue to help make Penn Fusion successful at PAC expense.
When I see the list of college transfers, it reminds me that all of these players were the best or one of the top players on their team at some point, and most likely played every minute of most games. Reality hits hard when swimming in the deep end of the talent pool. Hopefully they will all find a school that fits their needs. https://www.topdrawersoccer.com/college-soccer-articles/2018-womens-division-1-transfer-tracker_aid43648One thing you notice is that wherever new coaches have landed, transfers are headed there.
WOW that's a bunch - below is by position.19 GK34 D47 M41 F141
me again 141 looks like a bunch. but when we look at the big picture it's ~0.59% not even 1% of all the players playing in college~956 schools with womens soccer~25 roster size~23,900 players on a roster1,700,000 registered girls playing soccerof those 1.41% play college soccer.
Reality check time for those that love to play the comparison game. Except for your big D1’s like your UNC, Duke, Penn State most mid D1’s are just now starting to commit 2020’s. Sept- Dec will be huge. Those PF/FCV/PDA players that committed to Big 10’s may not even play til Junior year. Many took roster spots with little scholarship offered. The ones who got major money early are playing on the GNT’s. There’s a pressure to commit early in those top team environments. The girls that will commit after 9/1 have plenty of opportunity at the Division 1 level and be in position for nice scholarships. Not every DA player wants that Big 10 school. If walked through the process the right way they will go where they will mostly likely see time on the field all 4 years and with a hefty scholarship. It’s a shame to see the rush to commit at this age. Junior year of high school hasn’t even started.
Hey - July 31, 2018 at 5:05 PM - it's why these girls should not be second guessed when they pick the schools they pick but should be congratulated. It's hard work.Also, like the stats. Good work. Thanks RainMan. Also, not all the transfers are listed in the TopDrawer article. I know of others not listed.Finally, isn't there a rule in Big 10 or P-5 about transferring after Junior year; that you can't? Anyone know?
10:22 There are a lot more transfers than listed on the Top Drawer site, but I'm not bright enough to find it. I was told that it is missing the more than half the players shown. There was big D1 rule change in June regarding transfers, also a severe Level 2 breach of conduct penalty for coaches trying to block them from transferring. They should have called it the Nick Saban rule, as he was the major culprit.
Based upon the above statistics, there are 23,900 college soccer players of which 141 transferred to a new school. That is a very low transfer rate. I would think that the number of players dropping out of soccer altogether is much higher than the transfer rate.
TDS reports 141 transfers for D1. The number of 23,900 is incorrect. There are 333 D1 programs, average 28 on a roster? or 9324 players. If the transfers are rising sophomores or juniors in most cases, it's half, or 4662. So 141 of 4662.
3% of D1 college soccer players transfer each year. 37% of college students transfer at least once within 6 years which is about 6% per year. So D1 college soccer players transfer at half the rate of all students.
NCAA reports 2016 4-4 transfer for women’s soccer at 7.3% NCAA.org
When you go to big time schools, there is a very good chance your going to sit that first year. The two girls that transferred out of Rutgers played in a total of two games combined. Similar time played for others top ranked schools, but many were others where the head coached moved on to a new school.
Kids need to understand the full picture. Don't pick a school just for a cool sweatshirt.
Or to please a parent. Lots of backslapping at PF last year when these players were committing to schools. Schools where they were the 7th or 8th player joining in that age group and most likely looking at very little or no time on the field. But a life lesson in any form is not necessarily a bad thing, so they may come away better for it.
Why are you hating on pf. The stats show whether you are 1st or 8th commit for that yr, still good.
Playing time isn't dictated by when you commit. Wise up, folks.
10:50 Because if your 7th or 8th 2020 commit list, number one there is no money left in the kitty and they already have already have 6 or 7 2021's. Which means if your already behind the to four of those players. It's great that you managed to be a part of a big time school program, but can you take being a practice player for basically two years? The transfer list is basically the cumulative effect of just that. To be fair though, there was also a lot of coaching moves this past year and that has had a big effect as well. No hating on PF as they are simply doing their job, getting players looks from great schools. It's the pride of the parents directing players instead of the players deciding what is their best fit. Some of our parents were really smart letting their kids think it out, other's needed the pat on the back.
Rutgers is a joke. I think they are already on their 5th commit for 2023.
5:55 the assumption is that those 2020 verbals actually get a LOI to sign.Nothing is final until they sign.In regards to the Transfer list, I saw plenty of non D1 one players transferring to D1 schools also, how is that a negative? You guys talk like transferring is taboo.The thing I don't understand, is why would a player accept a verbal if they are still looking for a better offer? This is what's wrong with the system, these players always change direction opening up spots. What happened to your word meaning something? I think the entire verbal thing should go away and only real offers should be made. You'll see the schools stop recruiting young 100% because they would be on the hook.
I have seen a grand total of TWO decommits in the last year on the girls side.Doesnt happen too often.
11:23 you have seen two where? at your club? a website? people you know? the country?
2:31 While I do agree with you about the announcing of verbals commits should be scraped. I'm not sure if I am willing to throw all of the blame on the family or player. With a total of 35 D1 coaches changing teams last year, either because of poor performance or simply better job (bigger school, better recruits, bigger budget), there's plenty of blame to go around. 2:31 So your thought process is: My daughter didn't play at this D1 school, we'll just move her to another D1 and she'll play there? So if she doesn't play at that one, should she move on to another D1 and be a practice player there as well? Or would it have been better to accept reality in the first place and have her play at a school where she would have been a player of impact, possibly right from the beginning? In addition, doing so while she is earning a degree, which is the main reason for going to college.
If you are doing this properly there should be a couple of D3s at least that yiou know she can study her desired major and PLAY - this making it easy if the D1 road doesnt prove to be enjoyable, right fit, etc.A D3 coach that missed out on your daughter since she committed D1 would very likely be happy to have her a year or 2 laterAnd the beauty is - as far as I remember - you dont need to sit out when transferring down.
Hi 3:32 - 3:31 here. I guess the big question is why is she playing soccer? If she is playing soccer to advance to the NWSL or some other European League, then yes transfer. But if she picked the school she wanted and playing pro is not what she wants so what if she doesn't play. She's at the school she wants to be and she is getting into all the big parties while she moving towards her degree. Play club is you love the game and you are at your school is my point or if it's being on the first team is what drives her then transfer.First choice should be her school of choice regardless if there is a roster spot waiting for her or not unless she wants to go pro.I agree with you 9:24 D1, D2, D3 or what ever shouldn't matter if it's the school of choice. FOR ME not my kid, I would love for her to pick a strong Academic D1 school that gives a bunch of money and a roster spot. That resumes looks nice when she comes out of school with her degree and a D1 athlete on it. Don't get me wrong D2 and D3 will look nice as well. But the Bowl games and march madness is all about D1 so if she had D1 on her resume I think that would have a little more pull.PS. I don't think there is a right or wrong answer by the way it's what ever floats your boat
As far as the cash goes - at a D1 - quite often you can pay less - or the same - by not getting athletic money - but by just going off need-based aid.Many schools offer greater than 50% depending on your level of income - and tghat would actually be better than getting a 50% athletic ride at a competing school.You have to do the legwork, see where the $$$ are being given outside athletics.
11:23 can you combine athletic and need? for example school cost is 60,000 per year to dorm at the school. You get 50% need money or 30,000 can you also get an athletic or academic scholarship? How does this work? for those that have accepted verbals or those that have older kids that went through the process.
there's an old saying...the best part of going D1 is when the player and/or parent gets to say, I have committed to a D1 school.All downhill after that.(unless you're Mal Pugh, what's that one out of the rest of the nation)?Odds are not good.
9:45 i don't get your post.Are you saying that if you are not part of the USWNT roster of ~25 it is all downhill for ever girl playing soccer?If dream is to play for NT then you are correct.For players playing 10+ years of soccer with travel all over the place money or no money if the school is a fit and they get a D! offer, WOW 330 schools and to be part of the 9,000 soccer players or ~2,250 player per graduation class in a country with over a million registered female players all I can say is I LOVE that saying and congrats to all those D1 players, A school at the top of the NCAA pyramid wanted you and in some cases gave you money to go to their school. WELL DONE GIRLS!! 9:45 question for you - how many first team NT players are from the NWSL? How many are from College? How many of them didn't play D1?
I'm not even talking about top 25 roster of the WNT...im talking about the top XI of the D1 program they have committed to.Life after wearing the school hat and signing the LoI for the local newspaper is not all it's cracked up to be.Picture this..(btw, I unfortunately know from experience )Your Mia has been a complete monsters at every level she has competed at. Plays for a prestigious club team (not talking academy at the moment), has won every trophy and honor there is to win, has been invited to numerous "national ID camps" and gets an incredible D1 ride to an unbelievable school(uh hem..partial ride), they likes of which everyone knows their name by other big time sports programs at the school.Yes, it is a great gateway to a great university. She plans for school and life someday without soccer...majoring in whatever...let's say Physical therapy.Juggling a full course load and D1 training schedule IS NOT EASY.Season 1 is in the books. All the early morning training sessions, the two a days. The time commitment on and off the pitch...the travels and at the end of the year she has logged in 8 mins as a frosh. This was the girl who was the cornerstone for her high school and club team...its mentally tough for anyone(parents included). 2nd year, same training schedule, maybe harder school work load with some labs, would your Mia rethink her commitment to the program? I'm not even talking about if you have to fight back from an injury or if she is 3 or 4 down the depth chart at her position. Would she commit to another two years or at this point concentrate on her life/career after college?This is the reality of D1 sports (not just soccer)after announcing you've committed to D1.I know you're saying...not my Mia..she's special...she's obviously more dedicated than this keyboard clown's daughter...this is all she wanted to do all her life.OK..I hope so. Hope it all works out and she does see the field regularly.On the other hand tho, there is Miss lil Janie Next Door. She too has always dreamed like your Mia, played for a great club, but has won some and lost some. She on the otherhand plays for a D2 or D3. Not as well know but still gets a great education, has the opportunity to do semester abroad, join other club sports, join a sorority, oh yea and and STILL GETS TO PLAY.But lil Janie didn't get to brag about signing her college life away to play D1.Everyone wants the best for their kid. Just don't be blinded by ego. D1 is not end all be all.That's all I'm saying.
9:50 You paint such a negative picture of D1 athletics. I'll play along.As you said Mia signed a D1 LoI for the local newspaper, and has been a complete monsters at every level she has competed at. Plays for a prestigious club team, has won every trophy and honor there is to win, has been invited to numerous "national ID camps" and gets an incredible D1 ride to an unbelievable school. .You say she doesn't play or plays very little but she also gets a great education, has the opportunity to do semester abroad, join other club sports, join a sorority and more importantlywho gets the nod at a job interview? Kids are great and don't tank their interviewResume 1 kid played D1 athletics and did every thing the same as the D3 player. Who gets the nod in the real world no ego involved. Of course it's the one who can handle the bigger workload. just because you would hate it doesn't mean the kid does. What if she has a great bond with her team, they cheer for each other and go to all the social events. There is no right answer or no wrong answer.But having a school want you and is willing to pay money for your soccer skill is something a D3 school can never say. Both schools give academics and the stronger schools also give need money.
Good post and counter post by 9:50 and 11:12. Only thing is 11:12 is assuming that a player will stay D1, even after not playing the first or second year. Your also assuming that the D1 name on the resume' is going to blow away the interviewer and win the job. Maybe if its an Ivy League school, but they also look at it as a D3 student devoted to learning, and not necessarily a sport. Also not sure that D1 (say Rutgers or Penn State) resume' carries more weight than say a D3 Bryn Mawr College or a D2 Franklin and Marshall (or similar NY, NJ, D2's and D3's). Obviously schools like Carnegie Melon, MIT or RPI carry their own weight at any interview.
Have to agree with the last poster. if you have a D1 soccer player...maybe not even talking Duke, Penn State or Rutgers..Maybe Fairfield, Siena or Robert Morris, but plays D1 soccer, they will get the nod over a Carnegie Melon or Wash U student that had the opportunity to be in an active academic sorority, traveled abroad for a semester and played a D3 s0ccer schedule...you paint the D1 with rose colored glasses.
4:02 okay same major - Physical therapy as the previous poster used.person A was part of a active academic sorority, traveled abroad for a semester and played a D1 soccer schedule at Fairfield, Siena or Robert Morrisvs person B was part of a active academic sorority, traveled abroad for a semester and played a D3 soccer schedule at Carnegie Melon or Wash U To me they took the same major participated in the same activities - you can not compare a D3 soccer schedule to a D1 soccer schedule - so i would take the D1 player.Maybe it's rose colored glasses.just trying to have a little fun - since there is no wrong answer.
I give the Carnegie Melon applicant the nod, simply because she is probably carrying a 4.0 HS GPA (along with a 1400 or better SAT score). D1 athletics are far more forgiving when it comes to grades (Unless it's Ivy).
4:48 You are correct there is no right answer, but let's be realistic about expectations and a time management.I think for a D1 commit regardless of what the name of the school is, there is huge time burden on and off the field as required by the NCAA and D1 player would not have time for pledging a sorority, and definitely not playing other sports (even club) or traveling abroad since D1's play in both the Fall and Spring.So D3 with those above extra curricular activities or D1 student athlete.btw, my daughter was told straight up by a MACC conf school that they are no longer recruiting players with PT major due to class/lab workload.
9:09 My daughter is a 2019 MAAC PT commit, and we heard that too... She is going to a different MAAC school who welcomed her as a PT major/soccer player.If your daughter is a top player and a top student, the school should know that these students can handle the workload...
9:09 I just used PT because that's the example given. My point was it all was equal but the athletic component. The player able to handle the tougher work load would get the nod and since I think we all can agree the workload at a D1 school is a lot different that that at a D3 school. PS. Vanderbilt and Johns Hopkins both took their soccer teams over seas.I can't speak for anybody but myself - but If I had to guess I would say my daughter would be involved in a bunch - scares me that she might bite into more than she can handle - but at the end of the day I believe in my kid and will never stand in her way.For me Girl playing 12+ years of soccer to get a D1 offer and to play for a D1 school is a great accomplishment.I also believe that because of the workload - if the student gets her degree and shows she can handle a D1 athletic program and academics + her Graduate School pedigree is what matters the most. Don't forget we are talking undergrad and most of these kids will go on to graduate school.
picking up the conversation from last week...being in a position where I hire a lot of fresh out of college students or part time grad students, I will say the athletic part doesn't count as much as you think and the division of sport means even less. In the non-athletic business world, its academics, what can that individual bring and a host of other qualities and extra curricular. Would I take a D3 student that was an active part of a academic club over a just a D1 athlete, obviously depends, but probably.College is filled with time management and juggling multiple workloads challenges, regardless of what it is...I've never sat with a candidate and marveled at their D1 preseason work out routine or how did they handle the importance of the big rival game.Everyone is expected to juggle and manage what they have...it's not special because its a sport...some companies, the lack of well roundedness can be strike one.
9:18 - okay
Bahahahaha. Are you the only one hiring?
Nope, but I"M THE MAIN GUY!!!So be Nice!
8:55 SO YOUR THAT GUY!!! That guy that always makes the employees at WAWA put to much lettuce on the sandwiches. How about a slice or two more meat and less lettuce?? By the way, try to find an employee that cleans up around the slushie machine more often. It's like one of those sticky mouse traps.
12.49 LOL... What in tarnation are you talking about?Btw, no Wawa by me, only Quickchek and 7-11's.I hope your daughter knows better than you the difference between "your" and "You're".I wreckin' D1 sports don't matter none, if you don't know that there good English.Yea I'm that guy.Wow, can tell all club teams or off season or what? LOLEnjoy the day everyone.
Well dadburn it, she would know fur sure yer not the Maine guy. Of coarse you could be a poor mans vursion of the Grammar Nazi.
Ahhh come on, I'm making coffee here at the Quickcheck. Stinking lottery machine is down again. Hey THAT guy, your bathrooms need tp, again. Stay off the blogs and clean out your restroom clogs.
are you guys lacking social interaction so much that we need to continue this useless banter? Get a dog and stay off the blog.
This question is more for the seniors. After June 15 my daughter received a few emails from D2 schools that were at her team's games that she didn't expect to get emails from. These emails didn't have camp invites, they had some specific info about her games and they wanted to know if she was interested in their school. So I guess my question is does this also happen after September 1st? My daughter is talking with about 10 schools and am just curious if the D1s also do what the D2s do.8:54 this blog for some has always been about them. I love results even though they have nothing to do with the player getting where she wants. So I try to talk about them but kind of hard these days. This board is for u18s, but many teams are playing u19 and the u19 board is a disaster nothing but spam. Hard to get info these days. unless you are into what the previous few posters are into.
8:54 Your much better entertainment than a dog. You only shed tears and useless bullshit, while a dog would be real. 1:06 Not a whole lot will change at all. Your daughter will also benefit from commits that have changed their mind and coaching changes that will follow the fall season. A player on our team that has verbally D1 committed during her junior year, recently had another D1 reach out to her because they had a recruit decommitt. This player did the right thing and stuck with her decision. What I am not sure about is how the moving up of National Signing Day will effect college coaches strategies in regards to recruiting? Perhaps 8:54 can enlighten us there (clean up in isle three).
is this blog dead?
I think everyone has decided to forfeit any conversation pertaining to soccer, to another blog. Similar to PAC 01/00 forfeit to PF today, due to lack of players (what's going on there).
It’s not a forfeit. The game will be made up.
MH promised the 02/03s that he would not pull them up to play with the 00/01s, but then went and did just that agains FC Virginia. He would have done the same again, but he didn't want to get smoked in his own backyard, and by doing so he gave his 02/03's their best shot at beating PF for the first time. What's does that tell you about the PAC 00/01's, when they can't field a complete team two weeks in a row and have to forfeit one of the games. Does that sound like there is good training going on for possible National Team prospects? Or did the DA change the doctorine? If a parent couldn't see the value of bringing their kids to PF instead of playing at PAC, they should now. Then again, there's always the that parent that can't accept reality that they might have to make a hard choice. CFC or an even lower step into EDP land.
MH is irrelevant. He’s not even with the DA anymore. It just stings knowing PF barely pulled out a win in the U17 match on a lucky goal. You couldn’t have watched a more evenly played match. Thank your keeper. By the way, did you know the U14’s tied and PAC’s U15’s BEAT PF? Yes it’s true. Ask Tino who looked like he was going to cry. After seeing last weeks scores I’d say PF’s shine is dulling.
Yes I also heard he was not very happy. He should look at the bright side, his U19’s should still be fairly dominant. I think.
11:49 I can't believe that despite the pouring rain, you didn't remove your rose colored glasses during the game. PF was playing with almost all 03's in the second half and PAC still couldn't gain a significant edge. If the game meant that much to Tino, do you think he would have subbed six player in? By the way, I'm trying to find that 02 commitment list for PAC, can you list the link? Ooops, never mind I just found it. email@example.com
Hmm...I’m pretty certain the top 02’s played the whole game but don’t worry I’m sure they’ll find a team to beat up on. WSV 17’s arent looking so good this year after losing to CS badly so there ya go! Let me know if you still need something for that sting.
12:06 Up late and can't sleep after another loss? Don't worry, eventually you guys will score a goal. Unfortunately your wrong again, as two of the players subbed out were committed players and would have played up with the 00/01s if PAC had a team. The one girls subbed out was the one that scored. They have this new thing now for the DA, it's called "Game Report". Hope you can get some sleep soon. Don't worry, those online college coaches will be calling any day now. It's just like playing soccer, only it's done from the comfort of home (might even score).
PF U17 won’t be dominant like they were last year and they know it. I have a feeling it will be one excuse after another on here at least from one defensive parent! Good thing for that parent is that I do believe they will still win the less than impress division but have no chance beyond.
1:54 Of course PF won't be as strong as the previous year. They had a really strong class of 01's and instead of recruiting a bunch of 02's and 03's, they decided to reward the patience of their 03 player's and parents. It's the teams that have three quarters of their teams as 02's and still can't score, that's the team in trouble. Worst of all, no players of impact that draw coaches attention to other players on the team.
2:59 using the term “reward “to describe your senerio is ridiculous.PF didn’t recruit because they weren’t able to so now Tino is stuck using what he has and trying to make the best of it .We all know Tino has no loyalty , so please stop your BS !
2:54 Couldn't recruit because they were not able to do so? Have you ever been to PF's tryouts? Oh, that's right you were, but it didn't go that well. I imagine the issue was not your daughter's ability, probably more that the coaches saw the umbilical noose still attached. Training at PF is a little different and parents aren't allowed on the field to dry their daughter's tears when it gets tough or they bump their little heads.
7:32Sorry to disappoint you but I know all about PF .Yes they may have had many bodies at tryouts but not much quality . Obviously players from the disolved PDA DA players didn’t even have any interest in PF . Hence my comment that now Tino is stuck working with the players he has . I’m sorry if your daughter is one of them . I’m sure you are still continually running around with your head up Tinos ass and writing those fat checks to his yearly shoot and score fundraiser. Guess that’s how your daughter still manages to make the team . Like you previously stated , she’s getting rewarded for her patience not her talent . Unfortunately that won’t work in college but I’m sure she’ll get used to sitting the bench real quick !
9:03 I do not even know Tino personally because I make it a point to stand back and just watch them play. My daughter's success does not come from me moving her from team to team, or putting down other players on the team when she makes a mistake. Nobody likes everything a coach or a DOC puts out there and Tino definitely has his warts. One thing he wouldn't do is put a team together that does not have enough players to play a game during the season. That would be extremely poor decision by the director of any sport and totally unfair to the parents that paid good money to have their kids train and play. Why would the players from PDA leave? That is one of the top organizations in the country and whether their DA or ECNL, those players will get looks from major colleges all the time. So try to be a little more intelligent with your next comment. What PF does get, is the best players from as far away as Harrisburg, York and Lancaster Counties and south into Maryland and Delaware (Allentown area too). Your team gets players too, many of them have tried out at PF over the last three years and the parents saw the writing on the wall. Which basically was, my daughter will not get much playing time here. I'm sure you remember those thoughts well.
What makes you think every talented player wants to play at PF ?Pretty presumptuous of you , but that’s a typical PF parent attitude. If you need to keep trying to convince yourself and others that because your daughter plays for PF that she must be one of the best players around then I feel sorry for you . Lots of talented players around at many different clubs . Maybe try taking your blinders off and stop drinking the Kool-aid !
Amen to that
The only thing that matters is playing on a team that will get into the major events and more importantly still play come u19.Many of us get stuck in the who's better than the other and that's cool - I love Rankings and standings as much as the next guy/gal.If you don't play for a USSDA or ECNL or National League team - league play is a complete waste of time. These leagues would also fall into that category if their National events didn't draw colleges but they do in my opinion.Any other league is a waste of time. Instead of playing 12 league games those teams would be better off playing 4 events but then it would cost more $$$.What has worked for my daughter is - quality training (not with club), played in major events and attended ID clinics. SO this is not the popular route but it still came up with a D1 offer that has made my wallet extremely happy. Will my daughter play? Don't know and Don't care. She is ahead of the game when it comes to student loans. Could she have played D3? Yes, but would have had about $120k in a student loan, she won't be anywhere close to that number and will get a quality undergrad education.Playing for PF, PDA and other clubs that have a brand will help many girls. I'm not talking about the can't miss players they would be okay where ever they played. I can only guess, if my daughter played for PF or PDA she may have had more options to pick from. She is happy since she tells me she is happy but I have learned that there are many options and for the players that work hard either on the field or marketing themselves - they usually wind up with something if they can play the game.
10:56 Where in my post did you read that all talented players want to play at PF? Read it again a little slower this time and you'll see that was never mentioned. I'm sorry if things are not working out quite as you hoped for where your at, but changing teams every year simply so your daughter doesn't get challenged for a position, also means she's not being challenged as a player. This has obviously been a good life lesson for the both of you.
11:32 you really are a special kind of stupid aren’t you ? You specifically stated that PF gets all the best players from all surrounding counties . I happen to know for a fact of many talented players who choose not to play for PF . My daughter is one of them . You assumed that these other players and I’m guessing mine included are changing clubs every few years and not being challenged cause they aren’t at PF . I’m not sure who’s giving you that Kool-aid but that’s far from the truth . My daughter likes where she’s at and has no problem getting recruited by the schools she’s interested in . Probably schools your daughter would never have the SAT scores to ever even consider . Better hope your daughters national team call up is coming soon. Hahaha ! My daughter and others could come to PF and take spots away anytime they wanted. Don’t think for a second Tino doesn’t keep asking .
My daughter could be playing for them but chose not to. She is having no issue getting interest and offers rights now by D1 schools. It’s a choice not every player and family want. Crazy right?
7:17 7:37Spot on !
Gotta love those Penn fusion parents always with their nose in the air thinking that logo means better.
As arrogant as they are I can’t say I dont enjoy their delusional thoughts and the entertainment value they bring to blog .
We are new to PF this season. The training and coaching have been top notch, best we have experienced so far. The parents are an odd bunch. Everybody is so worried about new players coming in and taking their daughters spot or getting more playing time. Not sure if it's like this with other clubs, first time we switched, at our prior club the parents were more realistic about their daughter's talent level and where they belonged on the roster.
What age? I don't think any new players at the older groups.
PF score vs NEFC from today anyone? 17’s and 19’s.
17's won; 19's lost.
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While everyone's busy beating up on the crazy PF parents, I'm going to give a little props to my daughters Rage team and take a beating myself. Although not DA or ECNL level, they are about to have a sixth player accept an offer as a D1 commit (including two D2's). Not big time majors, but Temple (2), Drexel, Pitt, Liberty and Coastal Carolina are still good landing spots. Found it interesting that most of the coaches of the teams mentioned saw our team at Las Vegas and CASL, while there was very few contacts coming from Jeff or Disney. I think it shows that unless your EDP team plays in a lot of tournaments (9 last year) and stays in higher brackets, your better off playing in the DA or ECNL. The ECNL seems to be so well set up for players to be seen by college coaches, and who can argue their success rate. If I had a daughter coming into the U14/15 age of play, that's the route I would most likely take. I would like to hear how 1776 and some of the other NJ EDP teams are doing in regards to contacts received or scholarships offered. 1776 has an excellent team and great coach, so I would think they are doing really well also. Good luck everyone and hope your daughters have a healthy fall season.
3:59 Rage parent missed their player committed to Xavier, so add one more. One thing in common with all those teams mentioned, is that almost all are not doing well in terms of wins and losses and have first or second year coaches. So chance of having the rug pulled out from under them is very real. The positive is they might be able to get on the field sooner rather than later. It is a crap shoot when you jump into a school that does not an established coach and especially with as much coaching movement as there was last year.
Maybe they got full or close to full scholarships. Would you turn down an offer of such because the schools program is currently losing more than winning? If you would you’re insane. These kids aren’t going to college to be soccer players. They are going to prepare for their futures, while playing soccer while there. Be realistic. Be intelligent. A player who goes where the money is, is the real winner.
The way Pitt is commiting I’m fairly certain she didn’t get much money as a late 2019 addition. They are well into 2022’s and committing more each week. Most all from PA too. Not sure I see that program improving even if RW does stay on long term.
Saw a penn fusion post about the older group beating classics. Poor taste. The older classics group never were in most games last year and pretty sure pf would beat them by 5 or 6 goals each game. Why make a post like
Why make a post like that? No wonder why people find penn fusion jerks. Classics older group still building. U16/17's are good.
what is the link to that post?
11:11 said it best. Almost all of the girls will be done playing when their college career is over, so why not take a great offer if it's out there. Plus, it's still an opportunity to play D1 soccer.
Not to mention if they are good players they’ll likely actually play!
5:50 That is a great point that I failed to mention. It's especially true if it's a first or second year coach and the girls playing not were not his recruits.
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Does anyone know who YSR has as the top team in this age group in PA?
This age group is dead at most clubs. All Your ECNL teams have two 00/01 teams unless you are PDA & FC Stars and you have 4. I think The DA clubs also combined the 00/01 age groups. The extra kids if they have numbers are used to form 2001 teams from what I can see.I know from the Rage poster(s) they also moved up to U19.Your top 4 - you make what you want of it. This age group is like ODP now.1 UNITED FC 1776 XTREME 37.772 PENN FUSION SA PREACADEMY CRAIGIE 36.283 PA DOMINION FC 36.044 NORTHEAST ATTACK SC 35.67U191 PENN FUSION SA 37.722 READING RAGE SC MORGAN 37.423 LOWER MERION SC STORM 37.234 COUNCIL ROCK UNITED SA PA FC BUCKS ECNL 37.15
ODP? You seriously need to stay off the weed. They combine age groups because girls who aren't going to play in college may drop out. What is left are those players who need to keep playing to be ready for college. If anything, the quality goes up.
Dude, you said I said is old.You are saying that PennFusion 2nd team or is that the 3rd team with 01s and PA Dominion (who is this) and Northeast Attack (who is this) were always top teams in PA? and these are the top U18 teams in PA? This is why I made my ODP comment, never heard of these teams brefore. But I guess the way your club does it is the way all do.At my daughter's club. The U19 team is 2000 players not in college (either with a verbal or trying to get one) plus younger players to field a team. They have all their 2001s playing U19. My understanding was that most of the 2001s are playing U19 unless the teams are USYS. having said that you are right and I am wrong.
Girls drop out? Wow think of all those thousands of $$ those parents spent only for their kid to not see it all the way through.Did those girls give signals earlier that they didn't want this? Did the parents not hear it? Is it better to walk away than not be offered something for confidence? I remember posters on here years ago saying this would happen, people told them to get off the board because they were being negative. looks like they were just speaking the truth and some had their blinders on.Either way it's not the end of the world - just the end of the soccer world for 90% of the girls playing soccer. So congrats to those in the 10%, D1, D2, D3 or which ever level and a SUPER CONGRATS to those in the 2% playing D1. I'm sure you made your parents proud regardless - but to be one level below PRO in something most started at U8. WAY TO GO!While many kids wanted to PLAY HIGH SCHOOL - there were others that wanted to be the early birds and catch those early worms. The WAGS recap. Good Luck girls.U18 (2001) Bracket winnersF1: Showcase IB1: PBG FC FLORIDA PREDATORS 01 GIRLS ELITE BLUE (FL)B2: GFRSC 01G RENEGADES ELITE NPL (VA) B3: FC VIRGINIA UNITED 01G (VA) B4: REAL JERSEY FC 2001 (NJ) U19 (2000/2001) Bracket winners F1: Showcase IB1: BEACH FC 01G RED (VA) B2: SOCA ELITE 01 U18/19 GIRLS (VA) B3: NVSC JR. MAJESTICS '00 (VA) D1 Schools @ WAGSAmerican UniversityBoston UniversityBrown UniversityBucknell UniversityEast Carolina UniversityFairleigh Dickinson University Florida Gulf Coast UniversityGeorge Mason UniversityGeorge Washington UniversityHampton UniversityIona CollegeJames Madison UniversityLa Salle UniversityLiberty UniversityLongwood UniversityNew Jersey Institute of TechnologyNorth Carolina State UniversityOld Dominion UniversityRobert Morris UniversitySaint Joseph's UniversitySt. John's UniversityTemple UniversityTowson UniversityUnited States Naval AcademyUniversity of Maryland - Baltimore CountyVanderbilt UniversityVirginia Military InstituteVirginia Tech
PA Classics 17s have really turned a corner looks like. Last 2 games were wins including a 2-0 win today over FC Virginia. Whatever they’re doing I’d say it’s working. Watch out Tino I think PA Classics is coming for you next.
10:58 Interesting the 2002 board hasn't had a post since Sept 27th and the ADMIN hasn't updated this site since August 1st to reflect the new Age groups and yet somehow you think an age group with players at U18 or U19 care about U17 teams and if they turned the corner? I guess if you need an avenue to the post it worked - you got a response from me. FYI - not counting your post my I made the last 3 the last time someone posted on here was 4 days ago in response to my post on the previous post made 7 days ago.I will be letting go also after this my final post.
Wtf. So U17’s should be discussed on a U16 board? I don’t know this blog is pretty hopping you all better make sure you’re not taking up space on the wrong board! Who cares other than you apparently.
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You really spent time on that didn’t you? Good lord.
How's your daughter RAGE PARENT?
Hey y'allthanks for all the entertainment over the years...time to delete from the bookmarks.Hope all your little Mia's (this time I mean it in a good way), reach their fullest potential whether that involves soccer or not.peace out.
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