5:01 No sorry it doesn't work like that. If the 30k was met with MERIT scholarship you can ADD athletic to it. 30k athletic plus 30k merit equals all expenses covered and usually (unless specifically withheld for another player) 50% of COA in a power 5. Think of it this wayFinancial aid (FA) is, as you say, determined by your need. Say the FA office determines your contribution to be 30k at a 60k school. That is to say, they think you can pay 30k toward your kid's education. If your child then receives a 50% athletic schoalrship (let's make it easy and say its 50% of the 60k) then you are left with the 30k bill that FA has determined that you can pay. So no need based aid is offered. You cannot add FA grants to athletic grants without the FA counting against the total 14 scholarships. So let's say the school determines that you can pay only 10k of the 60k and are therefore your child is awarded 50k in need based aid. She is also offered a 50% athletic scholarship. If you accept the 50% athletic and your residual calculated need is therefore 20K and you accept the additional 20k in FA then the NCAA will "charge" the soccer program with 83% (5/6) of an athletic scholarship for your child regardless of the department's expenditure of only 33%. Hence the reality will be that the soccer program will tell you to take the need based aid and withdraw the athletic scholarship to "spend" on another player.Now some of the bigger sports school also have endowed scholarships that can wind up in the hands of athletes parents. These are awarded for "leadership" potential and other such fluff. Its also how the D3s that aren't on a full need based FA schedule get kids money.
Funny stuffSo you are saying the athletic scholarship don't mean d*ck - in your example.Student athlete pays 30K of the 60 whether a walk on or a recruited athlete at 50%.I see now how they get so many on the roster. Some players that are 50% types by TALENT LEVEL are counting ZERO vs the scholarship figure.
May as well go to the better school at the same price - and not play, rather than to a lesser academic school that wants you to play soccer - if they arent making it worth your whileNo additional money as a recruited athlete - if your NEED is already being met? Johnny Blow down the street, a non athlete with the same income, goes for the same tag?Such crap.
Used to be a guy around who got inside scoop on accepted teams at tournaments...are you out there fella?Looking for early casl list...
I wonder with CASL, DA, Disney, who would be at CASL this year? Will it be watered down in other words. Plus National league has something in January this year.
Agreed. Even CASL ECNL won't be at CASL; they are part of NC Courage, now. The whole system is up in the air as far as tournaments, teams, sites, etc. What a mess!
Well the FA award is likely at most schools excluding Ivy's and a few others to be a combination of grants and loans. Hence the athletic is usually a better deal (of course Ivy's don't have athletic scholarships) . Most people take the athletic money to avoid loans. However the coach may pull the athletic if your kid qualified for more aid and accepts any FA because it could turn his 50% off into a 80% offer. Most coaches google the family. Know what the parents do. Look at the house on zillion etc to understand how the offer should be made.
Well..........we will be at CASL, along with at least 3 other teams.Good way to finish the pre Christmas run.
There are still many skilled players who aren't playing DA and will be playing in these showcases...I think I even heard at least 1 DA team doing DisneySorry!#mydaughterplaysdaandisbetterthanyours
@8:39Assuming we are talking D1 non Ivy...if they pull the athletic and leave only the FA then isn't the kid essentily a walk on? No athletic money means no national letter of intent so nothing really binding her to the program. Unless its an extremely attractive school that soccer is the only way in then I don't see many kids finding this route attractive. In my experience most schools will ask parents to fill out financials...sort of like a FAFSA light questionair so that the school can come up with the right balance of athletic and FA to make up an amount that will make the parents happy and not mess up their head count $$ allotment.
807 That's true. If the kid was highly regarded by all but the top 10 they are getting 100% athletic. If their budget is for 50% They will not risk a 70% hit because the kid takes 20% FA. Absolutely, they will indeed work with he FA office to make sure the balance is at least 50% grant to equal the athletic offered. Probably will end up being even more grant than that. Yes the kid can go get the same amount probably at another school, but the grant balance will likely be less unless they are choosing a full grant school. Walk on implies not recruited. There is a category of kids called recruited walk ons. They are no schoalrship kids who are offered roster spots during the recruiting process. The kid we are talking about would clearly be more highly regarded since they were willing to spend .5 scholarship on her. Correct no LOI. There is a fake one they pen up for recruited walk ons, Ivy's and D3s. Its something like a letter of committment or something. But no true financial contract would be drawn up. If the parents financial status were to change for the better and the kid was successful, the coach may then offer athletic instead of FA if the amount were greater to keep the kid later on. Similar to the offers from top soccer schools where they offer less than 100% to top recruits and say they will increase it if they are successful- starter, more than 50% PT, freshman all conference etc.
7:57 why so angry? are you the same angry poster around the same time previously calling out parents watching their or friends kids? maybe decaf w/o sugar?
8:19 we never had to fill out any financial info prior to any of our offers. we didn't fill out anything. they just came; watched her play and made offers. is this common? now I am understanding everyone's angst.
7:57- You are correct. Penn Fusion is going to Disney but only taking their non committed players and will include players who may not be on the Winter DA showcase roster.
Thanks for the discussion of FA vs athletic, guysIf all this is true we just eliminated a BOATLOAD of schools from our list - and D3 (better academic. less soccer load) is starting to really appeal to us.Time to focus on where we can get the most academic $$, though I guess that works the same way.Looking to pay 10-20 K, so what are our options, really? Greater than 50% at a D1 - 50% at a state-based D1........or ......any D3 where we could go for that number.D2 may now have appeal. Hadnt looked that way.
8:19Why would a coach increase a scholarship after year 1 or 2?Just to satisfy a recruiting promise? To avoid a player transferring?Are players actually NEGOTIATING the following year's number as they are playing?
not 8:19 but sometimes the coaches increase as other older kids come off scholarship, it's very common. also, it's kind of the carrot in front of the player, too. conversely, they can decrease, too, if kids aren't serious about their commitments to school and program, if they fail to maintain academics, etc. at this point, it's on them entirely. welcome to the adult world 101.
206 and 257Yes they frequently up a scholarship of an impact player especially when brought into a top 5 type school. The school and program were enough to entice the kid and the coach is "spending" his scholarships on the kids who are proven to be able to contribute most. Again in power 5s they are not allowed to decrease the amount. That ibcentivises them to start lower and build up if the kid pans out or keep her relatively low if the kid doesn't. Again more common with highly desirable schools and programs. Yes a mid major can reduce the amount if the kid doesn't produce as expected.
they reduce the scholarship by not playing the kid in power 5's too. know a few kids that left after they saw less playing time after freshman year. fell out of favor with coach. it happens, even in power 5's.
The scholarship has nothing to do with play time. A Loi defined the award and ALL awards are guaranteed for 4 years in the power 5 I already posted the link. So sorry your understanding is mistaken
Mid majors cant get away with decreasing scholarships without a player breaking a code- but like the guy said - any coach can encourage a player to transfer by taking away PT.Transfer player = scholarship back to spend.
12:25 - not all D1 schools have you fill out a FA forms prior to an offer but it is a good practice so there are no surprises for the school or parents. It is common that a school has a % cap on what they can allot and with financial aid the total would exceed the cap. What would you do if you qualified for 60% FA and the school had to cut that down to 25% because at 60% they would excees the equivalency total? I have always said if your a great soccer player who is hard up economically your best bet is ivy or an academically excellent D3 because you won't have to deal with the above.
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9:15 not a misunderstanding. it happened. kids switched schools as a result of coaches games (power 5 a couple of them). with one, the girl stopped being able to travel with the team. the coach just wanted her out of the school/off the team to get back the scholarship. The squeeze play was successful; gal transferred with coach's blessing.
11:09 - agreed. i'm 12:25. However, she has a verbal commit for a nearly 100%. We aren't getting financial aid. Didn't know about the paperwork thing. It's a good idea, though. I'm still learning about the process through some of these posts. Will definitely pass along the info to friends.good stuff all.
11:37 here. forgot to add, it really traumatized the girl specifically referenced. she kept up grades, did whatever was requested as far as training, etc. she had a great first half of her freshman year even played in some big games, but switch went off and suddenly she was on wrong side of the coach's favor along with two other sophs. all of them transferred.
10:06 yep, being academically ineligible to compete would qualify as breaking the code.
Thoughts on the article below? I wish our club had allowed this....Seniors only...http://highschoolsports.nj.com/news/article/-3980606800377556925/seniors-take-advantage-of-academy-waivers-earn-one-last-run-in-high-school-girls-soccer/#incart_hssn-rr-1
1137Again you are saying the coached squeezed her out by being unpleasant and taking PT disallowing travel. That is different than pulling scholarships. Ultimately the kid CHOSE to switch schools and free up the scholarship. The rule is that the coach can't pull a schoalrship because a kid does not meet expectations. There is no rule against making a kid's life as miserable as possible hoping he does what your friend's kid did and leaves the school for hopefully better environment. if you look at TDS transfer list you see quite a lot of kids transferring from certain high level schools. They are well known for soing what you described to the kids who aren't cutting it by their standards. They are usually transferring to lesser P5s and mid majors. They probably are getting decent money in the swap and are hopefuilly a better fit for that level.
If you don't know this fact. A kid get's one "free transfer" in her school days. After the second she has to sit out a year. That said their are some conferences that require a sit out year if the transfer is intra conference.Amazing isn't it that the clubs don't explain this better? I learned this stuff on my own and referencing the actual rules. Also my older kid's college coaches were very helpful. They really understand the rules.There is a famous case of what you described regarding an alleged hazing incident and attempts to push out kids when Radwanski came to Clemson. But this again shows that he couldn't directly pull scholarships already awardedhttp://www.postandcourier.com/sports/ex-clemson-soccer-player-files-hazing-lawsuit/article_ebc9a00f-bb28-5ccd-8ab9-db3d28fb1b17.html
@6:33am And all other on blog. Read this article please. We all think we know everything, make money, have nice cars and houses, and WE KNOW WHAT IS BEST. Read the article: one excerpt "There's something about playing on the field with teammates you've grown up with and looking into the stands and seeing all of the families you've known all your life cheering you and the team on. That is something special that I didn't want to lose in my senior year. I wanted to hold onto that feeling as long as I could." - How can you stop girls or kids thinking this way. It is us parents that don't let them play HS, or think club Coaches know best and HS is no good. Read the article from the kids perspectives please:
11:47100%? I thought those didnt exist.
Sports that guarantee full-ride scholarshipsThere are certain sports that are called head count sports, this means all scholarships offered are full-rides (but not all athletes are on scholarship). These sports are all at the NCAA DI level and they are Men’s Basketball, Football (FBS only), Women’s Basketball, Women’s Tennis, Women’s Volleyball and Women’s Gymnastics. If you are offered a scholarship by a team competing at this level, it is going to be a full-ride.All other sports split up scholarship moneyAll other sports and division levels offer what are known as equivalency scholarships. This means a team has a set number of scholarships and the coach is free to divide those scholarships up as they see fit. For example, they might give three athletes 33% of a scholarship, rather than give only one athlete 100% of a scholarship. They do this so they can bring in more talented athletes. If you are looking for a full-ride scholarship from an equivalency sport, you are going to need to find the right situation as not all schools will even offer a full-ride.
9:49read 2 other quotes:"I will be able to finish my career at Colts Neck with this awesome team and also be a part of this inaugural year of the girl's Development Academy.""I think some of the DA (Development Academy) players that are opting to play for their high school is because, in most cases, they are in solid programs with some history and the girls want to continue to be a part of that. "Obviously no one interviewed girls that didn't request a waiver because their HS coach is a Social Sciences teacher in a neighboring district and they only have 5 other club girls on the team.Its great if you HS is solid, and you can get a waiver.
My daughter's team has an open weekend during an upcoming tournament so I was thinking about saying she's available to guest play on the tournament website. How anyone done this before and if so, could you tell me your experience? Is there an "etiquette" involved? For example, I hadn't planned to actively reach out to specific teams but would we be expected accept an offer from the first team to ask her to play, or can we say we're looking for a higher level team? Also, I fully expect priority to be given to the team's existing players but what's a reasonable expectation of playing time, assuming my daughter is at least as good the regular players?In case it's relevant to your answers, she's a very good player on a team that plays in the top flights of tourneys so we're not doing this for the college exposure as much of just getting her out playing some more.
8:03 that is what happened. coach and not one in article took away PT, didn't allow travel, etc. and there were other kids from other schools that did same thing. as you noted, somewhat forcing them to transfer.
9:54 - nope, they do. I have found out how rare they are.
100% soccer scholarships definitely exists. Coaches are slicing and dicing their 14 scholarships to try and entice the best layers for the least "cost". Some 33% some 0% some 100% and every permutation in existence is present across the country's teams. That said some coaches have certain strategies depending on the relative attractiveness of the college and program in combination.
10:53I think the only reason to do extra tournaments with teams other than her own IS for the exposure.Why place your daughter at injury risk?You ask about etiquette. I think the first unwritten rule would be to get your own club's blessing.Beyond that - I think your behavior in the matter, whether you want to wait for better offers and if you want to ask how much she will play - is all up to you.We were considering the same at one time - my approach would have been to first see which teams I knew were on the list, contact them if I was comfortable with their projected flighting. THEN if no bites open it up to all other teams - and yes, take the first one to call.Never went through with it - but for EXPOSURE I think it is a great idea - and one your club should embrace if you word it to them that way.
I would say "reasonable" expectation of playing time would be HALF.
my kid did this several times. Once as a younger player because older sibling was playing and was going to be dragged along anyway.Twice in ninth grade for the exposure to an event her team was not playing in. These were guest opportunities offered through the web sites for the tournaments. She got multiple calls. I talked to the coaches. She was guaranteed half time but played more. We paid for a share of the fee in two of three. She had a level in mind and only took the offers at that level.
Would you recommend again?
yes I would. These were positive experiences and taught my child how to adapt to new situations and advanced her emotional and social skills.
Also as far as the soccer... She did get some new interest and some schools following her reached out to say they were impressed that she was able to fit in nicely to the new team. That was a plus in their eyes.
Thank you for sharing. Good for you and her to do it. I feel too many would shake their head thinking it wasn't worth it. Good to hear it is. Opportunities aren't always obvious.
Checked in on some GDA scores. Not all posted, yet. Why does it take so long to post?
Is this what you mean?PF vs. Wash Spirit/MD:04 - PF 0-003 - PF 7-001/02 - PF 3-199/00 - PF 8-1Seems all, but these and Fury vs. Oakwood in NE area posted.
So potentially of interest, I took my daughter to see the Washington Spirit Breakers game on Saturday evening. She has played in the ECNL for many years and decided to stay with her team which is not a DA club. She's all good in the ECNL, but we had an interest in seeing the 99/00 DA game just before. She wanted to see the level of the DA, and she wanted to see the Spirit superstar u17 WC player play against a decent team. She thought she might also consider the DA in the future, but after watching what we did, maybe not.Have to say that game was shocking. I am not even sure what the score was, but let's say it was somewhere around 7 or 8 to 1. And it could have been worse. Penn Fusion was obviously told to play keep away the last 15 minutes of the game to keep the score down.The superstar did have an assist on the spirit only goal, but was pretty invisible except for the many times she turned the ball over or got torched by the PF midfielders. She appeared out of her element playing up. Was not the best player on her team and not even close to being the best player on the field.Fascinating to me that this kid was picked over probably 5 or 6 clearly superior kids on both teams. We checked the roster and the best PF kid who just came back from China wasn't even there. So minus their own superstar, PF really faced no competition at all.How was that a "meaningful game" for either team?
I think again it is all watered down, especially in the fall. Many girls opting to play HS, stay with ECNL or NPL. And clubs are now going strong into National league play as an answer to DA. So you have like 6 things going on from U15 up. HS, DA, ECNL, NPL, National League, Regional league. Lets not forget EDP, Open Cup, NJ state cup and US Club state cup in spring. Maybe just too much going on?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
FWIW, Spirit Virginia 01/02 team has a kid who's been a forward on the national team, got the Spirit press release, etc. that has not been that impressive either. From what I've heard and the clips I've seen, she's not only doesn't start at forward but she's been moved to outside back. Makes you wonder if US Soccer has just gotten lazy about evaluating talent, and instead just keeps inviting the same players back. The other thing is that Spirit keeps inviting the National team players to practice with the professional team based solely on their reputation even though they're not the best players on their team.
Maybe they needed an effective outside backEver hear of Kelly O'Hara?
The U18/19 teams are all over the place. Many players at this point are committed and therefore opted to play HS. Penn fusion is one of the teams at this age who did not lose their core group to HS. It also isn’t helping the U16/17 DA teams that have players playing up to fill spots in turn affecting the U16/17 teams. The DA has things to work out as expected.
Many DA teams have some of their best players at outside back and outside mid. PDA and FCV are just two examples of teams where you see this.
PF’s best player on U17 plays LM most of the game.
CEDAR STAR : what a great team! LOL
Speaking of, what position does their national team player take on for them?
9:05 - saw your post on U18; same one. So this is what you did on Sunday? Weird.
My kid's coach undervalues the OB position. Dumps anyone there like the old school thought process of defense. Pathetic.It's not where you put kids that aren't in the top of team as far as speed and can't play with both feet while looking up.
9:05 we stayed to watch as well. I thought it wasn't a bad game at all. WS kept challenging including a late unsuccessful breakaway after a turnover.
9:05 - great research - send us notes on all the players that were there and the players that werent. i'd love to compare with a fellow ECNL parent that goes to watch DA games.
9:05 glad you are staying in ECNL. DA isn't for everybody.
5:24 you can check out the scorecard? You can see it yourself. It's not a secret. It's actually a pretty nice add to the DA stuff. It helps tracking the required playing time of all, including reserves. Apparently US Soccer is very big about it. Makes sense.
@11:42 I hear ya re PF core players. PF picked up a few players from Continental too who are very good. NYFSC seems to be core from World Class; Breakers same from NEFC; Sky Blue-PDA same. There seem to be quite a few that have a core returning players. Will be interesting to watch how all of this plays out.
450 it was Saturday....Yup daughter and I went to see the Washington spirit breakers game. Decided to get there early to watch the u17 ynt phenom who is from the Bethesda area and traveled to Richmond to play. Hadn't seen her play for a while since she was playing up and out for ynt events. Also curious as to how the DA was looking. Call it weird or whatever. It was informative. Posted on both age groups since lots of kids on the 99/00 team are 01s including the phenom and that's my kids age group. Some apparently enjoyed the discussion on a "discussion board".
You must be Slick....your kid didn't make DA
7:00 i was speaking about taking all Sunday to refine your thesis. Yeah, that's weird.
I seemed like you were bashing your daughter's former teammate as well as the DA. How's that informative? Seems petty.
6:07 thank you for the tip. checked it out. not for nothing, but it seems that Jim Gabarra and company the coaches of Sr. Spirit team were at the game coaching the U18/19's it appears. Despite what you think, that's pretty cool.
It is cool that they were there and coaching. Maybe they must have thought game was "meaningful." Punky parents. Stop looking for these kids and games to be pro level already. It will improve and all due to the hard work of the kids and coaches that are putting in the work now.
hey 857he provided you the opportunity to present your holier than thou commentary. You should thank him!
I liked 9:03's post better and more on point. it was a very hot day on Sat. and grapes tend to sour more quickly.
9/25 @10:49 - where are you seeing clips of the games? Is it on U-tube or a US Soccer site? Are you talking about US games or the DA games?
PDA has posted videos of their DA games, including the ones against Spirit:https://thecube.com/cube/players-development-academy
Is it true what I am hearing? 02’s will have their own DA team next year?
Interesting. The current 17's will move up into the 18/19's. So, if there are teams of U16's only that would be the ECNL death rattle for sure.
Stop alreadyECNL is here to stay
you guys are crazy this season just started and you are looking ahead to next?Not sure about you guys but i don't want this time to go fast, I like having my girl around. I guess i'm just a softy (PS great ice cream truck).Some stats for you guys.very curious to see if Bethesda and CASL keep ECNL only groupings and also curious to see how Disney does vs FC StarsYouth Soccer Rankings with a score greater than 36.00 going into Birth Year Change year 2 broken down by league, note some of these teams will take a huge hit as players moved up to DAW L T (GD) DA Team4-0-0 (+17) FC Fury NY U-16/174-0-0 (+15) Penn Fusion Soccer Academy U-16/174-0-0 (+10) New York City FC U-16/174-0-0 (+8) Sky Blue - PDA U-16/172-1-0 (+5) Sky Blue - NYSC U-16/172-1-0 (+3) Boston Breakers Academy U-16/172-2-0 (+7) FC Virginia U-16/171-1-0 (-0) Washington Spirit Academy - Virginia U-16/172-2-0 (-7) Washington Spirit Academy - Baltimore Armour U-16/171-2-0 (-5) Cedar Stars Academy - Monmouth U-16/171-3-0 (-3) FC Stars U-16/170-3-1 (-5) PA Classics U-16/170-4-1 (-12) Virginia Development Academy U-16/170-2-0 (-5) Empire United U-16/170-3-0 (-6) Oakwood Soccer Club U-16/170-3-0 (-21) Long Island SC U-16/17ECNL Clubs with DA39.62 FC STARS OF MASSACHUSETTS ECNL (MA)39.25 BOSTON BREAKERS ACADEMY ECNL (MA)38.20 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY ECNL (NJ) 37.67 FC VIRGINIA ECNL (VA)37.14 ALBERTSON SC ECNL (NYE) 36.89 WORLD CLASS FC ECNL (NYE)36.59 FC STARS OF MASSACHUSETTS NPL (MA) 36.30 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY NORTH NPL (NJ)Non-ECNL teams with DA38.19 PENN FUSION SA ECNL (PAE)37.32 OAKWOOD SC ATTACK NPL (CT) 36.09 NEW YORK SC ELITE NPL (NYE) ECNL39.61 MCLEAN YS ECNL (VA)37.75 FC BUCKS ECNL (PAE)37.59 BETHESDA SC ECNL (MD)37.47 CONNECTICUT FC ECNL (CT) 37.17 MATCH FIT ACADEMY FC ECNL (NJ)36.96 FSA FC ECNL (CT) 36.95 RICHMOND UNITED SC VA ECNL (VA)36.69 FC BOSTON SCORPIONS ECNL (MA)36.57 CONTINENTAL FC ECNL (PAE) 36.55 BRADDOCK ROAD YOUTH CLUB ELITE ACADEMY ECNL (VA)36.48 MARYLAND UNITED FC ECNL (MD)NPL & USYS37.92 SOUTH SHORE SELECT AP (MA)37.17 GREATER BINGHAMTON FC (NYW)37.06 PRINCETON SA IGFA (NJ) 36.98 SJEB RUSH (NJ)36.89 SUSA FC NPL (NYE) 36.67 FURY SC ATHLETICA (WV) 36.47 READING RAGE SC MORGAN (PAE) 36.45 UNITED FC 1776 XTREME (PAE)36.43 SUSA FC ELITE (NYE) 36.33 FC FREDERICK (MD) 36.30 LEHIGH VALLEY UNITED BLACK (PAE)36.23 BEACH FC VA RED (VA)36.20 NEW JERSEY WILDCATS FURY NPL (NJ)36.13 ARLINGTON SA RED (VA)36.10 NJ ELITE FLAMES (NJ) 36.10 SJEB RUSH PREMIER WHITE (NJ) 36.09 BEADLING SC ELITE (PAW)
yes about DA. Next fall it will be an 02 team and an 01 team separated, just not well known yet. They combined age groups this year just to start and field teams.
GDA powers also need to set up a U13 age bracket to prevent possible team bonding
Guessing that 01's will be with the non-graduating 00's, like they have currently (99/00). So a new team here, too.
Is YSR even valid any more? No tracking of GDA or ECNL it seems?
3:36 Why would they track GDA teams -that'son the USSF website and what ever format they have. ECNL season didn't start yet why would you lump them in with GDA.Using PDA as my example:ECNL team will be less girls that moved up to GDA plus new girls and girls from NPL team. NPL North team will be less players that moved up to ECNL. Nothing has changed besides the players. So YSR still valid, but i would expect the ECNL scores to drop as they are not as strong and the teams that beat them will get an instant injection. Gotsoccer reversed. Remember when GS teams racked in the points and then lost to better teams.
Is that true? Hasn't ECNL started in some areas/conferences?
I think some areas (cali?) and younger age groups started. You can see a difference at U14 where parts of an old team moved to GDA - and the new ECNL team is just not the same. In such cases YSR predictions are total failures. Also - lots of GDA teams played in some tourneys already (eg surf cup) so there coulld be a comparison of GDA and other teams - and even prediction of GDA team strength if YSR starts carrying those scores.
The ECNL conferences where girls play high school soccer in the spring, like the mid-Atlantic conference, have already had several games
1:49 Why would USSF slit the U15/16 and U17/18 age groups up if the boys have been doing it that way for past ten years. Are the boys splitting up the combined age groups too? Where are you getting your info from???
Which GDA teams?My guess is that they didn't play enough games to be ranked (shown).Easy to check, what teams are speaking of?Yes, my bad I'm from the Northeast and HS season isn't over until Mid to late OCT depending on how good the school team is. Playoffs
surf cup had da specific brackets - so you can easily see that teams that played there, and you can also see that YSR is not tracking the GDA results.. not sure if they are missing or the team names need to be merged and are invisibleexample:SJ EARTHQUAKES ACADEMY SAN JOSE USSDAhttps://youthsoccerrankings.us/team.html?teamId=2062574
I see.How would they identify the DA teams - there are only 3 teams that have USSDA in their name. What logic can they use? The DA would rather keep them separate and I understand that.
they dont identify da teams or any other teams.they just record scores, and at some point in time someone clicks "report an error" and suggests to "merge 2 teams". they review the merge and if it makes sense - approve it.
The GDA at PF is a joke! Craig is disliked by many of his players! This DA team is not about development at all!
Someone’s kid has been sitting the bench!
My child is not sitting the bench! Quite the opposite. The PF team has too many players with all the same talent level. More of the girls deserve a chance. That is what development is about! Craig plays favorites and fails to use all players.
If parents are overly generous with their bank account that may help those players. Always has before at Penn Fusion.
I often think the same thing after reading posts here. Not too much love for that club and it’s coaches.
$$$$ talks at PF . You will never see the lower middle class on the DA team !
Didn't you warm your milk and take your meds? Get some sleep! No wonder you are delusional.
10:16 don't let the haters fool you. I know plenty of kids, including my own, that really enjoy playing for him and the club.
@905 Agree, my kid loves him and I really don't think anyone who has watched him can argue that he isn't one of the best trainers around. His training sessions are terrific.However, he does play favorites. If your kid has been on the team for a while he will show loyalty- is that bad? Conversely, he also will occasionally favor a new "toy". Is that much different from any trainer (human being) out there? I imagine it can be hard to be the parent of player 12-20. I concede, there isn't much if anything separating them from starting and seeing bigger minutes. Especially if a favorite is the starter in the desired position. It can be hard to "prove" one deserves a start when seeing mop up minutes or in a sit out schedule. Not every kid can stomach it and a real argument could be made that it isn't worth it for them. Expect CFC to load up on good but not great players from PF. Those thinking the GDA will get them a YNT look are playing not struggling for minutes. The other kids are just as well served at CFC until the P5 college coaches stop going to the ECNL events.
People, if your kids are not getting decent playing time now, wait until the girls coming from the private schools bump your kid from even dressing for games in the spring. That is next, it will happen. Your kid is just holding a spot for the girls currently playing private high school soccer. Those girls are better than most of what are on the roster now. Do that math, kids are going to sit, kids won't be seen, and PF just keeps cashing checks.
9:54 AM you don't know what is a good trainer is and if CS even runs a decent practice. PF has good players and poor coaching. CS doesn't make players better, he just recruits and replaces. Recruit and replace, the PF way.
Do you all even know that most of the 01 kids have been with the team for years? Sure there were a few adds this year and last of kids hoping to play at the highest level with the ECNL and then GDA. Are you really surprised about that? They have a great balance of lifers, and join the move up the pyramid players. Exactly what one would expect of a destination club that is successful in developing its best local players. Big surprise that there aren't enough gifted players in the West Chester zip codes to field an entire DA roster from local kids? Yet there always are some local kids at the oldest ages. Again telling as to their ability to develop u little kids. Even the best coach can't make a top 10 college player out of some kids. People don't want to admit that a certain baseline drive and athleticism is necessary to produce a top player. Coaches aren't the only ingredient in the mix.All their YNT players have been with the teams since u14 or before. Their best kids at UVA and committed to UNC, and Duke, have been with the team u13 or longer. Craig has grown all of them. Of course kids come to PF; it is near the top of the Youth soccer pyramid. That's how its supposed to work: kid top of the local team, moves to a more competitive team and then develops further and maybe to PF if the family is willing to make the investment. I know they give scholarships and even travel allowances to worthy kids and their families. Simple, PF provides the most competitive teams and coaching around in the best venue for identification. No recruiting necessary at this point. The PF GDA teams are near the top of the pyramid just below YNT peak. Your kid is good enough or not. Craig et. al. and the environment will make them better if they can play. If you can't stomach the GDA sub rules then it's not for your kid.
10:53 AM The private school girls are not better just privileged. They also bring a new recruiting cache to the club as most Episcopal/GA/Shipley etc bring ivies to the table not because of their soccer pedigree but because of their educational pedigree. The overall strength of the private school teams would be lacking against any better SOL or Chestmont public school. The private school players bring $$ to get on the teams and not really do not raise the level of play.
10:53that's not true universally. there are kids that may be taking a seat, but there are also some private school kids that will be struggling to get time while they catch up to games speed and technical touches. The speed of the GDA games even the mismatched ones are much faster then even a very good high school game. The movement in GDA is better than any youth soccer I have ever seen. Still see a lot of long ball and bad habits in high school.
12:47 hahaha. okay. my privately schooled, honor's daughter happens to not only be a very competitive student, but an even more competitive athlete. And I guarantee you, every teammate, coach, trainer, scout would tell you how she contributes greatly to her teams successes as well by not only being a very good player, but an even better teammate. I assure you that none of it has to do with any club fees or payments. ALL of it has to do with her, pushing herself and her personal expectations which is why she is privately schooled, playing highest level, etc.
10:59 - well we agree to disagree. btw - i hear other teams are looking for kids. maybe you should opt out of PF and into something else. you seem bitter. why continue with something you don't like? surely the club will either move up someone or give someone else some time with the vacancy.
1:40,So I guess she already has her college commitment lined up? Or still too many offers to whittle through. Is she currently playing school and expecting to step into DA shape in the spring or is she on the ECNL gravy train? See you said top level team so that would indicate she is expecting to leverage her privileged position to bump a less fortunate player come end of school season who is putting in hard work at the highest level too. If the Private school tag doesn't provide an advantage she would not be playing school ball now.
never said she was playing hs ball. oh and she whittled through her multiple offers before jr yr. but thanks for playing. she is a huge supporter and fan of her hs team as are we.
I'm 4:19 - the poster at 12:47 surmised that all a private schooled kid does for a club team is bring them ivy league offers and lacked any other meaningful contribution other than $$$. I was addressing this myth.Envy makes people jump to silly conclusions.
"She whittled through her offers before junior year"Congratulations. Any thought that maybe other offers would have been forthcoming?
Of course. We are still getting interest. Some are hoping she changes her mind. But, she is happy with her decision. That's what matters.
Sort of a myth that schools will stop recruiting a player after he/she commits, I guess.
I would not call it recruiting; just expressing continued interest. much different.
We have had this too. At different events, coaches would hand parents giving out brochures different business cards to give to us saying if she decides it's not for her or if coach leaves make sure to reach out.
Thanks for the feedback, 12:29
My 15 year old junior daughter committed last month and the best advice I can give parents that are looking to get that process moving is to make sure your kid approaches the head coach early in the day, at that school's camp, gives a short elevator speech (grades, etc) expressing her sincere desire to play there... and play confidently and well. Everyone has their own story.. Ours seems to be common among committed parents that I have spoken to recently. Just trying to help.
t/y and congrats.
Our coach set it all up for our daughter and most of the girls on her team. We didn't really know where she was a fit, we knew she would be a D-I player, but he reached out to the college coaches and created the opportunities for us. The coaches came to see the girls play at the national events. We feel we got lucky getting a person that knew how to get it done. We are also happy we she is going to a great school and was committed by 10th grade.
that is great. what would you recommend for clubs that coaches are not as proactive? Did you ever have that experience?
12:18 not to sound like a tool. But there is no way to put this. You leave that club. Why do we pick clubs and pay all that money to them? So they do some work when the time comes. If they are not that proactive then those players are in the wrong place.
69 TeamsRank1 FC Fury NY U-16/172 Penn Fusion Soccer Academy U-16/176 Sky Blue - PDA U-16/1710 New York City FC U-16/1714 Boston Breakers Academy U-16/1721 Washington Spirit Academy - Virginia U-16/1732 Sky Blue - NYSC U-16/1742 Washington Spirit Academy - Baltimore Armour U-16/1744 FC Virginia U-16/1749 Cedar Stars Academy - Monmouth U-16/1750 FC Stars U-16/1751 Oakwood Soccer Club U-16/1752 Virginia Development Academy U-16/1762 PA Classics U-16/1767 Empire United U-16/1768 Long Island SC U-16/17
Not everyone is willing to devote loads of time for travel to another club. I could take my kid 90 minutes each way multiple times a week to a different team in the same league but we put family and academics before soccer. It’s not that simple.
are there any tryouts for fc fury?
Change to come with those standings for sure. PAC has played PF twice so far but has yet to play CS or VDA even once. PF and PDA haven’t seen each other yet. Will be very interesting to see the PDA/PF outcome next weekend with both being undefeated.
Isn't that strange that they play teams multiple times without playing all teams in the conference, yet? dumb
PDA lost to Spirit VA 0-3. Is that right?
Where are the recent rankings posted recently on this board coming from? I don't think US Soccer is ranking unless the TDS is from US Soccer. I'm completely disregarding Got Soccer since many teams don't use them. So many moving pieces anymore.
PDA lost to Spirit VA. Where is that Spirit MD poster that was bemoaning the Spirit DAs?
All teams from VA are always good. Of course Spirit is good, they attract from that VA metro area's, in addition they are a nswl team so will attract more than others lets say.
you're talking about VA not Michigan. please.
https://www.si.com/soccer/2017/10/11/us-soccer-sunil-gulati-president-usmnt-world-cup-qualifying-failureGrant Wahl's article. Interesting.
Read it. agreed. interesting indeed. calls for Julie Fody to take over as USSF president.
Many good articles re the recent guys' failure to qualify. Different ideas. All of them call for a change at the top. Will be interesting to see what happens, if anything.
Arena resignedGood start
So.....besides being our team's leading scorer ....what else does my daughter have to do to get more minutes! Many of the players playing a whiole game at forward don't produce .... yet they stay on the fieldFrustration all around !
Can girls still get a waiver from their DA club teams next to play HS soccer like they did this year? If not there will be a lot of shake ups.
DA so bad at this age,they should play HS
They knew DA would be so bad at U17 - they didnt even bother creating single age group teams.
Just because you may be on a bad team doesn't mean the overall experience is bad. Sounds like you are just trying to poison others about maybe coming in and taking away roster spots.
10/20 @1:45shake ups? what do you mean? club or high school or both?
Cedar Stars such a great team! Good job!
10:35 Do your homework before typing. The U-16/17 and U-18/19 combined age groups are set up exactly like the boys side.Also, waivers will not be offered next year.
Does anyone know where the CASL flights are posted? It says posted on October 17th but nothing there.
US YOUTH SOCCER NATIONAL LEAGUEGIRLS 17 UNDER BLACK DIVISION38.68 Elite Girls Academy 2001 Maroon NE 38.56 Nationals Union 01 Black MI38.03 Tennessee Soccer Club 2001 Showcase TN37.68 FC Florida 01 Elite Blue Predators FL 37.62 Rebels SC G2001 Elite CA-S36.88 Premier SC Navy 2001 MD36.82 1776 United FC 01 Xtremes PA-E35.30 Santa Clara SC Sporting 01 Green CA-NGIRLS 17 UNDER BLUE DIVISION38.51 FCKC Academy Blues Elite 01 MO37.67 Michigan Jaguars 01 Green MI 37.02 Arizona Arsenal 01 Premier Teal AZ36.56 Fullerton Rangers 01 White CA-S36.48 Sting East 01 Dunstan TX-N36.24 United FA 01 Premier GA36.22 Arlington SA 2001 Red VA 36.03 Century V 01 Gold PA-WGIRLS 17 UNDER RED DIVISION37.93 CSA Charlotte Predator NC 37.23 PacNW 01 Maroon WA37.21 BC United 01 NY-W 37.09 Fever United 01G - Guerra TX-N36.81 CDA Premier 01 OH-S36.65 Nationals Union 01 Red MI 36.51 Beach FC 01 DPL CA-S35.60 Cleveland FC 01 Royal OH-NGIRLS 17 UNDER WHITE DIVISION37.40 TFA Elite 01 OH-S37.34 Galaxy 2001 Blue IL 37.32 Legends FC 01 Academy CA-S36.93 Utah Celtic FC 01 UT36.69 WHYFC Ladies White NC 36.57 FC Frederick'01 MD 36.41 Lonestar 01G TCL Composite TX-S36.21 NJ Stallions 01 Freedom NJ
ECNL’s Northeast Conference39.74 FC Stars 38.30 PDA37.89 FC Bucks 37.82 Bethesda SC37.76 Connecticut FC37.43 Match Fit Academy37.29 Albertson Fury 37.24 FSA FC37.20 World Class FC36.85 FC Boston36.80 Continental FC36.75 Maryland United36.12 East Meadow FCECNL’s Mid-Atlantic Conference39.15 McLean YSA37.47 Carolina Elite Soccer Academy37.33 Richmond United36.60 BRYC Elite Academy36.55 NCFC Youth35.62 Carolina Rapids34.76 NC Fusion33.51 South Carolina United
Looks like 16 flights of 8 teams=128 teamsThey accepted 128 teamsD1Under 17 Girls Elite Gold DivisionUnder 17 Girls Elite White DivisionUnder 17 Girls Elite Red DivisionUnder 17 Girls Elite Navy DivisionUnder 17 Girls Elite Silver DivisionD2Under 17 Girls Premier Gold DivisionUnder 17 Girls Premier White DivisionUnder 17 Girls Premier Red DivisionUnder 17 Girls Premier Navy DivisionUnder 17 Girls Premier Silver DivisionD3Under 17 Girls Select Gold DivisionUnder 17 Girls Select White DivisionUnder 17 Girls Select Red DivisionUnder 17 Girls Select Navy DivisionUnder 17 Girls Select Silver DivisionUnder 17 Girls Select Grey Division
@10/20 2:51Have you watched a HS game lately? It was bad before but now without its actual skilled players it’s unbearable. There are a few exceptions of coarse who chose not to play DA, but not many!
Can u post the bracket link for CASL? When you go to the website there is a place on the accepted teams list to see the divisions but nothing happens when you click on them.
only one NJ team in US YOUTH SOCCER NATIONAL LEAGUE? What about PSA, Wildcats, Barons. I guess I could go on?
11:26 Yes, I see girls trying very hard with little to no training. They now how to compete and when you lack skill you get physical, grab anything to even the playing field. What is wrong with this? This would happen at any level (just take out the little training comment).11:01 They haven't made them public - maybe it was a typo and 10/27/17 is the release date?11:02 Barons backed out of regional league last year (since they would have to start off in D2 as a new team) which limited their chances. Win NCS and make Semi-Finals at Regionals or play in ERL and do well. USYS doesn't make it easy for a team. This is where us Club jumped in - Look at ECNL/NPL most of these teams get into a tournament that is hosted by another ECNL/NPL club and get flighted pretty well. Just how it is. Going back to National League NJ Stallions played ERL and finished in the top 2 (automatic bid), that eliminates the politics of an open application.
nice comment 11:24. I have been on here for years saying NJ soccer is not up to par as other states. Go to regionals, nationals, tournaments and you continue to see other states winning matches versus NJ teams.
11:24 here, the comeback will be those are not the best NJ has to offer. For that you need to be part of a club that plays in the same leagues as those teams since the league is closed and the tournaments they attend keep them separate for the most part like CASL did last year to avoid showing how non-special they are. But that's just my opinion. They will say they want to play well trained teams like only those leagues have that.
is this a p*ssing match? seriously? It's the same argument over and over again. the leagues are all over the place right now. it's anyone's game right now. those that believe in nat'l league/usys will do nat'l league and usys;those that believe in ECNL will go ECNL; andthose that believe in GDA are playing GDA.In ALL of these leagues you have a variety of teams and talent levels and even a variety of talent levels on specific teams. Many avenues that lead to the same place; college soccer. Just get there through whatever means works for you and your family. And best of luck!
NL is for top teams,thats why only the best make it in,just the facts...enjoy EDP
6:35 why all the angst?the question was why NJ teams get beat at these national events. I gave my opinion what's wrong with 1-9? I can see how my non-special comment could bug someone, I'm sorry. But i agree with 10:01 only the best playing in NCS and regional league make it to the national league and i agree with you about all the different avenues to get noticed and play in college (but that's not what the post was about pal). Just being a fan and talking team soccer not recruitment (that's an individual thing)1. Barons backed out of regional league last year2. Not playing in ERL limited their chances.3. Win NCS and make Semi-Finals at Regionals or play in ERL and do well getsyou to national league4. USYS doesn't make it easy for a team. 5. US Club (ECNL/NPL) created to give teams at all ages a shot regardless of how strong they are.6. ECNL/NPL clubs get good flights at events hosted by ECNL/NPL clubs7. The comeback will be those are not the best NJ has to offer. 8. To play NJ best you need to be in their league since it is closed.9. Tournaments these top teams attend keep them separate f
Great conversation, and again the major problem is all the choices. Look at Monmouth and Ocean top teams for example. You have PDA shore, CSA/DA, Wildcats, Boca. If you took the top, I mean the top 3 girls from each team. (I am talking about the DI commits or possible DI commits on each one) You would have a true DA. Many of you know exactly the girls I am talking about at this point. You field those 8-10 players and they would be unbeatable. But they play at different clubs and different leagues. Boca is in EDP, Wildcats NPL, CSA/DA and then of course PDA Shore is now Nat league. And remember some of these girls could play up, so U16 on this roster like the DA has. And even some drop outs from town teams looking for places can fill in those spots, but again they will scatter and even some go up to PDA north, FC Bucks I have heard. This makes NJ a weak competitor at national events
@9:55 considering other states have the same issue I am not so sure about that. Geography is definitely a factor in every single state. Some will drive the 2 hours each way. But most want to stay local, and most do not mind paying the heavy yearly fees. I know it can take me 45 minutes to drive 20 miles in NJ with traffic at practice times between 5-7.
BOCA team broke at end of last season.
8:17 no angst. just a little premature for all of it based on all the unknowns in all the leagues right now. so maybe NJ teams won't crash and burn this year. maybe this is their year. who knows? good observation by you pointing out the obvious. But that could be said for a few areas, not just NJ.
And hey, there is always US Club Soccer, right?
Okay, 12:14 and 2:12 and above, remember all those PA Classics pre-season in your face posts as they are coming sometimes chuncks of kids other previously successful teams? i am not trying to besmirch but just using as an example. Aren't they made up of kids who have played together before in other leagues and now don't want to make the ride anymore to these other areas?
@12:33 yes, but the 02 team is pretty good and has at least two very good players. They actually played with the 01 as guests often.
Okay I have a question for you college guru's? Friend of mine said his daughter played less than 20 minutes total last year and yet was as one of the teams Academic All Americans. First, how is this possible? Second, is the coach just padding his team GPA total or just looking to mollify the player because he wants to give her more time next year and doesn't want a transfer situation?
welcome to college soccer the reality show. some kids see very little time in their entire time at college. some kids are put on the rosters as practice squad kids. not saying this is the case, but it does happen.
and tell your friend congrats. she's getting it done in the classroom which is excellent.
6:18 That is a great point that I kind of missed and of course it's the most important thing a student athlete can achieve. But now when I hear on TV about a coach and a program graduating a large number of All-Americans, I'll think a little differently.
Just chiming in but in college All Americans and Academic All Americans are different, both great but different. I think you can be both. And some programs may just include everyone in the All American headcount in marketing.
If I was a college coach trying to recruit a player, the overall team GPA would be a strong selling point to his or her parents. It shows an equal or even greater commitment to earning a degree versus on field play.
U.S. SOCCER DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY2017-2018 Development Academy Regular Season Girls U-16/17 69 teams#2 Penn Fusion Soccer Academy U-16/17#5 FC Fury NY U-16/17#7 New York City FC U-16/17#14 Washington Spirit Academy - Virginia U-16/17#18 Sky Blue - PDA U-16/17#21 Boston Breakers Academy U-16/17------------------------------------------------------------------Above teams are in Postseason (1-21)------------------------------------------------------------------#28 FC Virginia U-16/17------------------------------------------------------------------Above team is a wildcard (22-32)------------------------------------------------------------------#37 FC Stars U-16/17#43 Oakwood Soccer Club U-16/17#45 Sky Blue - NYSC U-16/17#51 Virginia Development Academy U-16/17#52 Cedar Stars Academy - Monmouth U-16/17#56 PA Classics U-16/17#66 Empire United U-16/17#68 Long Island SC U-16/17
Below teams will be at the Bethesda Premier Cup.I got all the ECNL and NL teams, I think (I'm curious to see how they do as the Non-Academy season starts for some) ECNL’s Northeast Conference39.15 McLean YSA (ECNL record so far 6-1-1)37.82 Bethesda SC37.29 Albertson Fury 37.20 World Class FC36.80 Continental FC36.75 Maryland UnitedUS YOUTH SOCCER NATIONAL LEAGUE36.88 Premier SC Navy 200136.82 1776 United FC 01 Xtremes36.57 FC Frederick'0136.22 Arlington SA 2001 Red35.60 Cleveland FC 01 Royal
Hello?? Nothing to discuss?
Some pretty good non ECNLs just under that 35.60 mark, 8:26Thanks for the list.
And above it as well!
I know 2:21 - It would be a big list. Same as CASL (which I haven't had time to put together yet). I enjoy this as my kid does her thing setting herself up. I like talking about soccer issues but most become stale after a while, it's the same story. Same as just talking about colleges and the recruitment process. The only thing fresh are the result (just my 2 cents).PS. throwing out a soccer opinion also. I think one of the main reasons keeping soccer from growing even more is the lack of a big tournament. UEFA has it's champions league and europa league where the teams make some serious cash for winning games that they use in the transfer market. We play in CONCACAF (can't even win it). We should work with South America to take Copa Lib to the next level. They have the teams and we have the marketing. Lot's of money to be made. Also the NWSL should apply for a UEFA exception to allow our champion to play in the UEFA Champions League. We need to change our culture of MLS Cup is the top priority. MLS season is only important to determine which teams play internationally (why a playoff format sucks for me bring on pro/rel). We are spoiled since we have the best basketball league in the world and our best will destroy any other nation's best. Not going to talk about Football/Baseball since no one really plays it, so our league titles are the prize. Soccer is global and we need a prize to play for that is bigger than our domestic league titles. Playing in Copa Lib would improve the MLS which in turn will improve the academies the more money they make the more money they can invest in the game the less money parents pay.Sorry for the ramble.
clever idea, but you don't think youth soccer in is smarmy enough?
what? no saber rattling about upcoming Bethesda and/or CASL, NL? where is everybody?
My daughter's team is playing at bethesda. Her team will beat yours.Is that good?
here you go 1st Installment top teams Non-ECNL/GDA per YSR going into 2nd fall major tournament. Posting to track the change in scores after the event.Keeping and eye on Albertson and World Class since these teams are now B teams. CASL will have a bigger list. Waiting for Bethesda scores to change1-101 SOUTH SHORE SELECT AP (MA) 37.942 PRINCETON SA WILDCATS (NJ) 37.473 SUSA FC NPL (NYE) 37.444 SJEB RUSH (NJ) 37.195 GREATER BINGHAMTON FC (NYW) 37.116 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY SOUTH (NJ) 37.097 FURY SC ATHLETICA (WV) 37.018 PREMIER SC NAVY STRIKERS (MD) 36.839 UNITED FC 1776 XTREME (PAE) 36.7310 READING RAGE SC MORGAN (PAE) 36.6111 SUSA FC ELITE (NYE) 36.4912 NJ WILDCATS FURY NPL (NJ) 36.4913 ROCHESTER FC (NYW) 36.4814 LEHIGH VALLEY UNITED BLACK (PAE) 36.4615 FC FREDERICK (MD) 36.4416 SJEB RUSH PREMIER WHITE (NJ) 36.3917 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY NORTH NPL (NJ) 36.3518 NJ ELITE WATCHUNG HILLS FLAMES (NJ) 36.3419 BEACH FC VA RED (VA) 36.2920 NEW YORK SC ELITE NPL (NYE) 36.26ECNL Teams playing at Bethesda1 MCLEAN YS ECNL (VA) 39.122 BETHESDA SC ECNL (MD) 37.683 ALBERTSON SC FURY ECNL (NYE) 37.174 WORLD CLASS FC ECNL (NYE) 37.075 CONTINENTAL FC ECNL (PAE) 36.656 MARYLAND UNITED FC ECNL (MD) 36.607 PITTSBURGH RIVERHOUNDS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY (PAW) 35.43GDA Playoff teams (as of today)1 Penn Fusion Soccer Academy U-16/175 FC Fury NY U-16/176 New York City FC U-16/1715 Sky Blue - PDA U-16/1719 Washington Spirit Academy - Virginia U-16/1720 Boston Breakers Academy U-16/1726 FC Virginia U-16/176:54 maybe but my kid's team has more recruits and that's what matters right?
That is a good amount of teams going to Bethesda. I don't think WAGS fared as well. Is it high school soccer conflicts and kids not available or just too early in the season?
12:13 You are correct about Wags losing teams (U16-U18) due to the high school conflict. There were teams starting their first two games with 10 players, mainly because high school coaches would not release them to play until their games were or practices were complete. Still think Wags is a very good tourney for teams up to U15. There is a long list of coaches attending at Bethesda, but if I'm a college head coach, I'm letting my assistant's enjoy the fine weather and report back.
Bethesda Projected Bracket Winners:Potomac Blue- SJEB RushPotomac Green- PrincetonChesapeake Blue- NJ WildcatsChesapeake Green- 1776Patriot Blue- NYSC ElitePatriot Green- Cleveland FutbolLiberty Blue- Loudoun Soccer RedLiberty Green- FC Fredrick For those of you that dislike Gotsoccer and its rankings, apparently so does Bethesda. They have placed the number one ranked teams from Virginia, Maryland and PA, and Ohio's number two in the third bracket.
Slick still #1
Wonder what system Bethesda used to rank? Gotsoccer is horribly flawed and is used as justification to get points by going to more tournaments than necessary. Do you think otherwise?
As a point, was speaking with someone from a team that is not very strong. This person was using the Gotsoccer points the team had earned as evidence that this team was better than the local ECNL team. "We're better because our GotSoccer points are way better and we are ranked higher." I said, well since they only have two gotsoccer tourneys in their window (both finalist or champion in big tourneys) and you have 15 tourneys; state cups; and more and your points are pretty close, you may want to rethink that logic.And this person said, "well, the numbers speak or themselves, we are better."
@ 10:57 Amusing conversation. How did you keep a straight face?
The GotSoccer believers are hardcore. You can't change their minds.
11:09 Bethesda Projected Bracket Winners resultsWRONG - Potomac Blue- SJEB Rush *2nd (flight should have been Green)WRONG Potomac Green- Princeton *Last (flight should have been Blue)WRONG Chesapeake Blue- NJ Wildcats *3rdCORRECT Chesapeake Green- 1776WRONG Patriot Blue- NYSC Elite *LastWRONG Patriot Green- Cleveland Futbol *LastWRONG Liberty Blue- Loudoun Soccer Red *2ndCORRECT Liberty Green- FC Fredrick 2 out of 8 not very goodYou have a few weeks before CASL to recover+/- score adjustments after Bethesda (n/a unlisted previously)-0.03 SOUTH SHORE SELECT AP (MA) 37.91+0.08 SUSA FC NPL (NYE) 37.52-0.15 SJEB RUSH (NJ) 37.04-0.09 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY SOUTH (NJ) 37.00-0.47 PRINCETON SA WILDCATS (NJ) 37.00-0.13 GREATER BINGHAMTON FC (NYW) 36.98-0.17 FURY SC ATHLETICA (WV) 36.84-0.07 PREMIER SC NAVY STRIKERS (MD) 36.76-0.20 UNITED FC 1776 XTREME (PAE) 36.53n/a VIRGINIA LEGACY SC CCL ELITE (VA) 36.49+0.01 FC FREDERICK (MD) 36.45-0.17 READING RAGE SC MORGAN (PAE) 36.44+0.03 NJ ELITE WATCHUNG HILLS FLAMES (NJ) 36.37-0.14 ROCHESTER FC (NYW) 36.34-0.13 LEHIGH VALLEY UNITED BLACK (PAE) 36.33-0.18 NJ WILDCATS FURY NPL (NJ) 36.31-0.20 SUSA FC ELITE (NYE) 36.29-0.15 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY NORTH NPL (NJ) 36.20n/a FC STARS OF MASSACHUSETTS NPL (MA) 36.13n/a ARLINGTON SA RED (VA) 36.13Not in top 20 any longer-0.34 SJEB RUSH PREMIER WHITE (NJ) 36.05-0.27 BEACH FC VA RED (VA) 36.02-0.66 NEW YORK SC ELITE NPL (NYE) 35.60ECNL Teams playing at Bethesda+0.04 MCLEAN YS ECNL (VA) 39.12-0.32 BETHESDA SC ECNL (MD) 37.36-0.25 ALBERTSON SC FURY ECNL (NYE) 36.98-0.20 WORLD CLASS FC ECNL (NYE) 36.87-0.00 CONTINENTAL FC ECNL (PAE) 36.65-0.10 MARYLAND UNITED FC ECNL (MD) 36.50+0.06 PITTSBURGH RIVERHOUNDS ECNL (PAW) 35.49
9:32 Yeah I really missed badly on Bethesda, but if the two 2nd places panned out, I'd be batting .500. Also forgot how horrible some of the fields would be this time of the year after some many games have been played on them. At least it wasn't windy.
With how many complained about the seeding for Bethesda, they asked coaches to create a seeding, and after they sent that seeding in, decided to just keep it the same anyway. There were teams lower in the tiers that should of been higher, and teams in the top flights that probably should of been down a flight or two. On a side note, you have to take both ranking systems with a grain of salt. All youth soccer rankings is doing is going off of goal differential. Many teams play a defensive mindset when the game dictates, and are fine sitting back once they get one or two goals. And then you have the situation like Chesapeake green at Bethesda, where you have a team from Canada that even though you win against them, it still drops your ranking points......Neither is a perfect system, and in all reality, you have to use what both systems give you, and read in between the lines to get a feel of what a team really is.
I like youth soccer rankings, b/c if you have a team with a score of 37 playing a team with a score of 34 and they win by 1 goal their score should drop. They were favorite by 3 and didn't cover end of story. A win is a win, I get that but when seeding teams GD should come into play. Look at McLean they were a 39 and played PSC who was a 37, they stumped them by 7 so not only did their scores change but so did the scores of all the teams they played. Is it perfect? No. but with this system it doesn't matter how many tournaments, points or games you play - the quality of those games is what's being measured. I disagree a defensive mindset or not a 1-0 win vs a team that is 34 makes you a 35. A team that is a 34 playing a team over 36 - well the game shouldn't be close no matter how defensive the 34 plays. Got soccer awards volume not quality. Youth Soccer rankings takes volume out of the equation and looks a pure results no speculation you are a number or you are not depending on the result of the game.To me gotsoccer is garbage, and maybe that's b/c my kid's team doesn't play in a bunch of tournaments.
Gotsoccer is garbage if you use the rankings system purely on the rankings system. But as far as the rankings system goes, a win is a win, and there's a lot to be said for that. There's a reason they call it a game winning goal whether it be a 1-0 win or a 6-0 win, the first goal is the one that matters. On youth rankings, I can guarantee you there are a bunch of teams that are in that 50-150 range nationally, that if you somehow could calculate win percentage into the ranking system, they would jump up dramatically in the ranks. If you are a 39 and the other team is a 36, and that 36 has a speed demon up top, maybe the best way to play them is to not allow her to have opportunities, especially if you get a goal or two. I as a coach did what I needed to do to win the game, not continuing to attack to score goals because a ranking system will take points away if I don't beat them by 3. Last thing I want is them to steal a goal and maybe get some momentum when I had everything under control
Are you guys serious? A win is a win?? The idea of the showcase is that college coaches get to see players display their entire skillset, with the hope that a college coach says "I need that skill set". So your going to head into a showcase and be happy that your coach plays 10 behind the ball after a 1-0 lead, and sets in after a?? How does that show what skills you attacking mids and strikers have? I wouldn't even think of having my kid play for a coach that did that at this age level, or one that yells and screams to the girls where to be every minute. A college coach wants to see not only a players skill set, but also how well they know the game on their own. I will agree it is nice to win and my daughters team had a great weekend in that department, but isn't the idea to show every player off? I think that's why it's called a showcase. These are sophmores and juniors we're talking about, not U12-U14.
So true 11:51Anyone ever heard of Premier Cup(not Bethesda Premier Cup)We're heading to CASL but now younger daughter's coach brought this up for same weekend??
11:51 - agreed. coaches and parents need to stop chasing the points. SHOW the kids.
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