If a kid is picking a D3 school. She might have gotten a roster spot on lesser desirable D1 (Rider for example) but that's it. All these D3 guys are just self medicating themselves over their kid's not making it to the big kids leagues. Really they would have turned down 30% to a patriot school like Lafayette or Bucknell to go to Haverford or Muhlenburg?... Seriously no one thinks you make any sense. D3 and soccer with some aid is an accomplishment I appreciate, but it is not a bigger accomplishment than a D1 scholarship. The best D3 give no merit scholarships; all aid is based on need. The percentage of grant versus loan can be based on merit.
I personally believe the way to pick a college is to remember this: If your daughter got hurt at the first practice and her soccer career was over, would it still be the right college for her?
You are saying how great D3 is now but last year you said D1 is the ONLY way to go. Your kid didn't get the offer to NC that you have been setting her up for her entire life and you need a good excuse why. Here is a list to pick from that you can post on fakebook. This list will also help on the sideline to tell everyone you were belittling last season when you said D1 is a lock. Armed with this list, it will be safe to show your face again.1. This D3 has better academics than the D1 who wants her2. This D3 is closer to home than the 5 different D1 offers she got3. This D3 is the only school with the major she always wanted4. This D3 is in a nicer neighborhood and we are safety first5. This D3 will give her grant money even if she doesn't play6. The D1 has an all-American in her position7. The D1 coach wants her but already gave the full ride scholarship8. This D3 won't make her red shirt like the D1 offer will9. We always said it didn't matter between D1, D2, or D310. You know D1 doesn't mean top11. Many D3 schools can beat D1 schools head to head12. The D1 campus is just way too big for her13. We didn't like the D1 coach, kinda creepy14. In the end, we wanted her close so we could go to the gamesLet me be very clear, I have absolutely NO problem with D3! I actually like it and wish I played D3 instead of chasing a scholarship to play D2. I have a degree that I never used and put the wrong thing first.What I don't like are the FAKE people who were living in D1 fantasy land for the past 10 years and now claim they liked D3 the entire time. We all remember the boasting you did about the D1 camps, the D1 phone calls, and the 35+ D1 coaches at your showcase. The stress you put your kid through about D1 will damage her forever. You bashed D3 as subpar and thought your kid was the best player in the world. Now what?
I hope most people now know you are a dick
I find it rather funny, actually. But where they play/attend does not matter if THEY are happy with all of it. THEY are happy not us. They have to continue to put in the work on the field and in the classroom.
Parental egos put in place - check.
Wow 10:44, from here on the sidelines, that post resembled a full court press. The only thing you didn't do was post a picture of the poster you were talking too.
7:05agree until the 12-14 yr old snapchat account. Pish Posh? I like it, but don't see that one in their vocab. Let's bring it back though. Shall we? :0
Along with copacetic and smear the queer?
All this talk about picking the school on academic fit is great - but its not so easy with the soccer. Coach A might like your daughter where coach B - at an inferior soccer school - does not. Even very good (ECNL level) players dont have carte blanche on where they playAdvice therefore is to not dismiss any lower level D1 off your thoughts of "well, she is a better player than that"
8:11pish posh is whimsical. your suggestions; not so much.
why would you care if an inferior soccer school didn't like her if she is fine with School A which based on the omission is a better soccer school. School A it is.
I disagree. very good players do have carte blanche where they play most times. the good or less than good players may not.
I do think its funny how on this U16 board...going into U17 next season, it's still parents telling everyone here what good, whats bad..what division is good and why...blah, blah blah. I'm sure these are the same parents who TELL their kid what to do, where to apply, etc...Our girls are driving and will only be playing for a few more years. Very few to none will have a future playing this game professionally, not to say they cant become trainers, coaches and still be involved in the game.My daughter is realistic in her goals regarding soccer. She plays on a ECNL team and hopes to play at a mid-lower tier D1 team. She loves the school, the location, it has the program she wants to study and it would be nice for mom and dad to get some assistance with the tuition. (knowing that fulls are as rare as the white buffalo)..its also close to home so we can still see her play during the season.Very good players do not have carte blanch on where they go.Unless your on the national team, working to get a scholarship is still hard work for both the player and the parent. If you are not committed by now, you will still need to work for the next two years to get where you want to be.Just my opinion.
9:48So you think a player committed to Notre Dame would automatically be taken by ANY COACH in the ACC?I disagree
11:05 AM All good points. I have an older daughter playing as well. She committed to a D3 in her Jr. year. What we found is that colleges get to know certain ECNL teams and align with them (locals). I also think there is a certain amount of chatter among the college coaches. Not collusion just true note comparing. The situations I have seen on our team as well as others is that certain players will cast a wider net based on their additional associations, if they were invited to NT camp/pool, then there are the alumni parents which pull in some better D1 and Ivies, the next level are the girls who contacted coaches and were lucky enough to have them come look at a showcase, then there are players like my daughter, she targeted local schools (2 hr drive) and stuck to that list. When it came time to make her decision she had slight interest from a few of the D1 schools outside of the 2 hr drive, interest from 2 local D1 (city school and Main Line) and more interest from a few D2 "State" schools. The D3 coaches were also talking with her, her final decision was based on the educational experience (Major, Class Size, and other factors) and then trust and likability of the coach, players and environment, as well as playing. Some girls wound up committing to parents Alma Maters, out of 20 players I believe only one player got her dream school and it is not a soccer school per se. Of the 20 most went to either a lower D1 in the PA/NJ area, a few went out of state to D1, about the same amount went D2 or D3 local and a few are still waiting (going into Sr. year).
why are you using ND as an example? But if the kid is a high level kid and needed, yes. I have seen some teams make room for recruits they thought they were not getting and find money as well. If the kid is that good, yes. The coaches know who they are.
11:36what team are you on?? Can I ask? Are you ECNL or not? On my kid's team, most got into their target school even if it wasn't the club's dream school for them. And still had their support.
12:01 PM 11:36 here,It is an ECNL team. Not sure I follow on target school for player but not dream school for the club, If I read this right (and this was something that happened to my daughter) was once she was no longer talking to the D1 coaches the club/coach was less involved. Also, some girls target was not especially a school but a level, location or parents choice. And once someone says they are committed, the particulars are not normally discussed. For my daughter the final decision came down to 1 in each division with the same program, the D1 and D2 had the major but not the specific program to get her the degree she wants in a direct path. The D3 offer came in around where she would have been at the state college $$.
I have some questions.Can someone define a top D1, Mid D1 and Low D1 school. Are we talking soccer rankings or academic rankings?How does this recruit thing really work after the Initial contact. How many times do they come to watch? Do you need to go to their camp? When are verbal offers generally made? Sophomore year, Junior year? I'm not talking the NT camp kids I'm talking the general population.
12:46 here - Initial contact is the college coach talked to your kid or to the kid's coach. No Camp emails.
12:46,Different stories for different players. You have some people that want PSU, a good soccer school and a good University. Most top D1 Soccer schools will have good academics to go with it. Plus the cache of name recognition for those not on this board. And bragging rights in the soccer community. Lower D1 Soccer (Just my opinion) are the Temple, St Joe type but good academically. The process is that if by u15 your daughter is not getting looks and contact from D1 schools in the top 25 she is not on the radar and needs to start reaching out and getting looks, Camp emails are difficult to wade through and additional conversations with your club coach may help weed through true and fictional. Our experience was send emails, if coaches come to a game/showcase and make contact with club coach, or respond with link to camp invite you should consider this interest. If she goes to the camp an the coach makes time for her to talk there is interest. If the coach responds to follow-up emails (girls should always send a follow-up email after any event where the coach was present). As far as offers it can be early sophomore year for some blue chippers but mostly Jr year for D1 and then the D2 and D3 coaches round out there rosters through early spring of Senior year.
Thanks 1:09.So I think it's fair to say when people are saying top, mid or bottom D1 schools they are talking about the soccer program since I have the same opinion as you. I didn't want to assume anything. The "looks" piece is what's confusing to me. I get it if your kid invited a coach and they were at a game chances are they were there to watch your kid and a few others or just a coincidence. I guess our kids need to ask their coach if they were there to watch them, that's fair.The camp invites are just reminders to me for your kid if there is interest.I'm just trying to figure out what to expect for my kid, There seems to be interest both ways. What's comes next is the million dollar question? And like you put it "Different stories for different players"
12:46Top D1, mid tier D1, etc - is spoken of based on SOCCER.Some "commit" prior to September of junior year - I guess in fear of the offer disappearing.Many others wait - since after 9/1 the contact rules open up and more options may open that you didn't think were in the offing.One thing to be concerned with is INJURY. Especially if your daughter plays more than 1 sport an OFFER that you havent accepted could in theory go away if she was to...say.......tear an ACL.An offer put out and ACCEPTED - after an injury, from what I understand is often honored.Maybe others here have other info on that - but I'd think by November junior year, if you like the school and what they are offering.....this might be a good time to commit.(I've seen later, of course - and to very good schools)
1:27 PM Full disclosure. If you are not on and ECNL team you need to work different (maybe harder). My daughter played her u14-u16 on ECNL. The program provided assistance in the form of a class each season on the recruiting process including Alumni coming in to talk about their experience not only getting to college but in college. Each of the years at least one player talked about transferring. The team manager also was very good at posting what colleges were at what games. Sometimes more than one girl emailed the coach prior so each assumed the coach was there for them. Our u16 coach was a snake he did not pass on a lot of contact information which left quite a few girls in the dark. Hence us leaving the program (other reasons existed as well). Most Club teams with the exception of some well run clubs are not that proactive with the college tracking, it is mostly up to the players and the parents. The team we are on now still does a fair share of tracking but in talking with other parents it seems like this is a big drop off from what ECNL clubs do.
11:06 here.I know some people have chimed in, but here's what I meant by different levels of D1.top tier.Colleges you know by name. UNC, Duke, FSU, Boston College...colleges that take all NT players. Pick anyone on the roster and they all have at least NT exp if not international.Unless your daughter is Mallory Pugh probably wont play as a freshman. So for as much as a stud she was in HS or club..be prepared to sit...it can be tough mentally.Mid TierSeton Hall, Monmouth, MaristStill D1, great schools, maybe playing for a conf title but not a National titleLowerTeams in middle of conference pack...still good schools, maybe more likely to play as a freshman, still required to follow all D1 criteria.
hmmmm 1:43.I wondering if we were on the same team.
12:24not original poster but i think poster meant school kid wanted over school club was hoping kid would pick. Probably a bigger name or conference over one not as big. i am just trying to read the tea leaves. i know people that did this this as well.
Thanks 1:57. That's what I thought.PS. love the recruitment stories - since we really have no idea what comes next. My kid is excited.Okay since we are talking soccer only. Is it fair to say that a top D3 school would be a mid maybe low level D1 soccer program? Their games are being played vs D3 schools and most of them can not compete with D1 programs, so I think beating up on teams that low level D1 schools can also beat up does not make a top D3 school better than a low level D1 school (not talking academics).1:43/2:02 that sucks that this happened. Why would anyone keep interest from the kids?
3:17shame. In PA, too, coaches have been great as far as assistance in recruitment. good luck and glad it all worked out ultimately.
"Why would anyone keep interest from the kids"?Well, think about it - what are these coaches doing when not coaching club soccer? Interests lie elsewhere, no?
perspective checkertop D3 is nowhere near mid D1 level. may be lowest level d1 RPI>300.You can tell if you know any kids going to these schools. Most are bottom roster ECNL or Top of the roster lesser teams. Examplewe know a kid who tried desperately to get interest from higher academic D!s in sophomore year like Duke, then shifted to Georgetown, then junior year went to IVY and then finally patriot league. Minimal interest after attending camp at one IVY and one patriot ultimately no offers. Ended up committing summer senior year to a fairly academic D3. Great school and they convinced themselves it was all good, but definitely not the top choice. Coach told them she's starting from day one. better conference D3 upper end of the table team. Another one: cut from the ECNL team as a sophmore. Joined a decent USYSA team. Was one of the better players on that team. Participated in lower flights of major tournaments in junior and senior years. Committed to D3 that is usually successful in the tournament and has won some championships. Told will start freshmen year. dad was talking about D1 schools only until she was cut.
"...they convinced themselves it was all good"Well - wasnt it?Best to shoot highThere is the other side of the coin - those that COULD play at a higher level but never take that risk.Do I want my daughter to shoot for Duke, UVA, Vanderbilt, etc?Heck yes, I do.Thenwe see what the reality is, having never ever been without confidence.
4:39Another perspective checker is knowing when to start, and for most it's already too late. High Level D1 programs have most of their recruiting lists built 3-4 years out. Right now the top teams are looking for 2021 graduates. And for the most part are not culling through emails, they have a watch list. If your daughter does not have anything but ECNL on her soccer resume then she can look at the lower D1 programs (For instance in the current polls Bucknell is #1 in the Patriot League but 49 overall) through end of sophomore year but if she is not verbally committed to one going into the spring of her Junior year she is going to need to readjust her goal. Looking at local commits very few are going to top 50 schools.
Here is my point. If your academic credentials are say Duke, Notre Dame, Virginia and your soccer creds are Monmouth, URI, Siena. These kids often decide to go to schools like Williams or Tufts, CM and play D3.
Nope those go patriot
9:28my daughter had very good power 5 offers, ivys and other top programs and chose patriot as did some of her future college classmates for academics and the soccer program. you aren't going d3 if you have a choice at patriot league top programs unless you want to go d3. And d3 is great if that is what you want to do.
Some do, but the academic profile of the Patriot League is mixed. You have some very strong schools like Lehigh, Bucknell, and the service academies. The rest are not top schools academically.
agree with prior poster. there are gems in most leagues. just need to make sure the fit is correct as well as the recruiting. don't just rely on rankings as they change every year. look at the future of the program and the weight of a degree from that institution. that is what affects your child.
10:33let's not forget about Boston U. They switched from Big East a few years ago. THey are patriot now as well.
true. i am from that area and it's always been a great school for undergrad and graduate studies. My older son attends BU medical school. MASS area has great soccer schools and academics.
There have been several moves to different leagues in the past few years for a bunch of schools. Hard to keep up.
Love it. these know it alls have no clue.Northeastern, Tufts, MIT, Harvard, BU and BC all within miles of each other in MA. Top academics and athletics and variety of divisions and leagues. Pretty selective too in both.continue to have your pillow fight.
8:21you are looking at last year's rankings. they change ALL the time. compare them to the prior year and the year before that and that. My older kid committed when a school was in top 25 but fell out due to a bad season and a lot of injuries. But her committed school choice had been in top for many years prior and will be again. Point is, don't pick a school on RPI, only. And certainly not on 1 or even 2 years. Pick a school because it will give you what you need academically, athletically and logistically.
12:29 continuingactually fell out of top 50 RPI from last year which was the focus in your post.
Dudes, you know our kids are doing the pickings.Maybe they don't like the schools you do but don't have the heart to tell you.Maybe they don't want to practice everyday and then study when they are not in class.Maybe they want to go to a school you think is a horrible choice.Maybe they just want to enjoy college life they way they want.Maybe they want to play D1 and win titles.Maybe they want to play on the WNTRegardless it's what they want.
@10:33 my alma mater, Colgate is pretty good academically, too. patriot league
Then there are girls who might be ABLE to play D1 soccer, but don't want to be owned. So they choose to play D3 very happily.
2:14 again. Forgot to add - at the end of the day, what does the prestige of playing D1 get you?
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To have been a D1 athlete gets you big points in the job/med/law/business school apps/interview. If you don't believe it then you aren't an executive. To have been a D3 gets you some, but not nearly as much.To be a D1 athlete teaches kids to prioritize, resource manage, deal gracefully with both disappointment and success and many other life lessons. To an order of magnitude or two greater than D3.
Some of you are talking out your butts. Might want to put the know it all hat down and have a conversation once in a while.Be proud, wherever they end up. Consider everything so they are not looking back and saying, "why didnt I........?" My latest is hearing "do I really want it to be THAT hard to fit everything in and get the grades I need? This when deciding between a real tough D1 academic w/soccer - the realities of achieving there - and a D1 where the workload might be a bit (not much, I'd think) easier - or a D3 where the sports time constraint is not as great.And make sure the process is fun. Take a step back and have a laugh or two - have a few days of rest from the grind and the worry of it all. I'd also say go see some campuses - should time permit - where the interest might not be there. Could be eye opening - and will help in future conversations with friends who have kids going through it - or with others of your own down the line.Last -once they decide - NEVER make the feel as if they may have made a mistake. This is the time to celebrate, gather the swag and breathe.Cheers, all.
Question for you guys.Kid A goes to Duke has great grades 4.0 and starts for her soccer team.Kid B goes to Johns Hopkins has the same GPA in the same major and also starts for soccer team.Assuming test scores are the same - who has an advantage when they apply to next level?I would think the D1 athlete - since their schedule is busier and they still managed to ace everything.Nothing wrong with D3. But to me any kid playing ECNL or top level Non-ECNL team should go for D1 schools otherwise you wasted all that time and made sacrifices for what? Something you could get playing for a town team that travels? If you don't get D1 then okay D2/D3 are okay options talking strictly soccer.D1 = MLSD2 = USLD3 = USLAll 3 have national titles but only one matters right.Just like ECNL, NPL, USYS and US Club all have national titles
The advantage always goes to whoever nails the interview
I think you might be surprised if you read the bios of the kids at a place like Hopkins, Tufts, etc - see where exactly it was they played their club ball.
Oversight on Colgate. Arguably top academic school in Patriot. Also, BU never in Big East. Was in America East. Not comparable.
Everyone is posting d1 or d3. What about d2 in regard to academic and time commitment? Thanks
D2 likely varies quite greatlyNot speaking from experience or anything but there could be some D2s that have wild travel schedules and others that stay more local - some programs with insane D1 type facilities and others that are not so pretty at all.......
8/4 - 4:35 tacking on to your postthere are recruiters that specifically look for DI athletes. Not just soccer of course, but all. Why? Because they have had to juggle a tremendous amount of things to be successful in the classroom and on the field. So, while you are for some reason downplaying DI when no one is downplaying any other division is somewhat befuddling. Are YOU trying to convenience yourself something? If your kid is fine where ever she is looking or lands, then that should be fine with you even if it's not YOUR dream. Let it go. Be happy. And don't undermine accomplishments of any kid. THEY are doing the work. Let them reap the benefits.
Sorry re the rest of it. Not YOU 4:35 post by the poster to which you are responding. Doesn't seem to get it. it's ALL good if they are good.
10:03 amsorry and not trying to besmirtch whatsoever. We were actually directed away from DII by a DII successful coach in 8th grade after camp (great coach and person) because my daughter had other academic aspirations that DII didn't offer; like bio-science, architecture, engineering or medical school. Ultimately committed to a great DI soccer and academic program instead that meets her needs. None of it is a one size fits all thing.
Not trying to besmirch whatsoever ANY division. They are all great if they meet your child's needs. My daughter was actually steered away from DII from a very successful and fantastic DII coach. My daughter wants professional fields not really within the DII structure. She saw that and after an 8th grade clinic told us that she could play here, here and here instead (high level DI programs). And she is.I really respect this coach for that. This coach wanted what was best for my daughter not what was best for their program. Good coaches look out for the kids.
8:51 we were talking about academics re Colgate. And BU is in the top 40 best universities in the country as far as academics. It has outstanding grad schools too.As far as soccer, it's a very good one as well. They play top out of conference teams. Prior to last year was in top 35 RPI for years. Bad year; many injuries. As another posted noted for another team, it happens. I know several kids that committed that could have gone to plenty of other schools and programs, including power 5. Don't overlook any programs if they fit your needs.
4:13 continuingI am not only a BU alumna, but also played soccer past college after attending undergrad.
Any top 100 school is a great school for your kid, academically. League and division notwithstanding. I want my kid to be employable after her soccer experience no matter how long she rides it. ALL of it is up to her.Isn't that what we all want, ultimately?
I have older kids. Needed to complete the NCAA Clearinghouse registration and update it with SAT's, high school transcripts and the like.Is that needed now? Or only if you don't have a lot of interest?
Saw this on another blog for my younger daughter:"Great game on ESPN 2 Denmark vs. Netherlands. Maybe ESPN is getting the message finally. Cover women's soccer! Win back viewership."I hope that is true. Would love to see more women's soccer coverage on sports stations. Watching through Go90 is not always a good quality picture.
Can't think of a strong academic D2 school.
http://www.machermanntrophy.org/2017-watch-lists-12017 Mac Hermann Watch List - taping into the above - representing various leagues in DI, including patriot (2) and a-10 (1).
wow. thank you. didn't know this list was out already. good stuff. For those who don't know what this is below is an excerpt taken from the former NSCAA website (now United Soccer Coaches) about it: "The MAC Hermann Trophy is the most prestigious individual award in college soccer and is presented annually to the most outstanding male and female players of the year."It's the Heisman of college soccer. And like the Heismann, just a nomination is lifetime achievement/honor. Past winners include Christine Sinclair (Portland); Mia Hamm (UNC); Crystal Dunn (UNC): Rachal Rodriquez (Penn State); April Kater (UMass); Morgan Brian (UVA); Christen Press & Kelly O'Hara (both from Stanford), and more. Looks like a handful of Region 1 kids on the List. Great job ladies.
Who are the region1 athletes?PS. Congrats
Kids from the Region 1 states which feed into this blog (according to it's description). CT; DE; ENY; WNY; E PA; W PA; NJ; VA; MASS; NH; RI; WV; Maine, MD; VTThe List identifies each nominee by school and their state or country. Kids from these states can be considered Region 1 kids to throw an umbrella over them as far as geographical. Maybe that has changed as well. US Youth Soccer has 4 Regions and we are considered Region 1 in it.
Looks like 7 out of 30:Murphy (Rutgers; NJ);Corboz (Georgetown; NJ);Sullivan (Stanford; VA);Bloznalis (Boston University; MASS);Crouse (Penn State; PA);Andrzejewski (UNC; MD);Ham (Bucknell, NH)
11:21 Thanks - like I said congrats to these kids or should I say young ladies.When do our kids register with the NCAA before a school requests their eligibility or after they receive a verbal offer?
I'm looking for clarification on this as well. Anyone?? Maybe this is something that needs to go to the college coach. If anyone gets an answer re this, please advise. It may be a moot point if kid is verbally committed. May just need to send all the information (transcripts, SAT's, ACT's, AP's) directly to the coach to forward to admissions to do a pre-read.
11:22 I'm not sure either - It reads like it's a must. But I never read on any of these boards that anybody registered their kids, I just read they have verbals."If you want to play NCAA college sports and receive a scholarship at the DI or DII level, you will need to register and be cleared by the NCAA. The Eligibility Center is the organization within the NCAA that determines the academic eligibility and amateur status for all NCAA DI and DII athletes."
Seems like it's still a vital tool in this process based on the wording. Previously, they determine the weight of the hs classes to make sure the requirements are fulfilled as far as NCAA. Not sure if that is still procedure.I will have my daughter reach out to her coach and college counselor at high school. I will post their responses. Thanks all!
So I am kind of clueless and have a question regarding this blog. When does Mr. Administrator change it over to U17? Hard to believe that our girls will even be called that already as its seems they were just U14 less than two seasons ago.
Youth Soccer Rankings as of today. Only listed teams with 35+ so we can compare at the conclusion of the 17-18 season. Good luck to all the teams and the players that have moved up to GDA. You will no longer need rankings. But for the teams listed below, good luck. We will see if the ECNL teams are still that high come WAGS, Bethesda, CASL and Disney if the events mix them up.1 FC STARS OF MASSACHUSETTS ECNL (MA)  39.292 MCLEAN YS ECNL (VA)  39.273 BOSTON BREAKERS ACADEMY ECNL (MA)  38.944 PENN FUSION SA ECNL (PAE)  37.895 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY ECNL (NJ)  37.886 SOUTH SHORE SELECT FC AP (MA)  37.607 FC BUCKS ECNL (PAE)  37.418 FC VIRGINIA ECNL (VA)  37.379 BETHESDA SC ECNL (MD)  37.3110 CONNECTICUT FC ECNL (CT)  37.2111 OAKWOOD SC ATTACK NPL (CT)  37.0712 GREATER BINGHAMTON FC (NYW)  36.9713 MATCH FIT ACADEMY FC ECNL (NJ)  36.9514 ALBERTSON SC ECNL (NYE)  36.8715 SUSA FC NPL (NYE)  36.8116 PRINCETON SA IGFA (NJ)  36.7917 SJEB RUSH (NJ)  36.7918 FSA FC ECNL (CT)  36.6419 RICHMOND UNITED SC VA ECNL (VA)  36.6320 WORLD CLASS FC ECNL (NYE)  36.5821 FC BOSTON SCORPIONS ECNL (MA)  36.3822 BRADDOCK ROAD YOUTH CLUB ELITE ACADEMY (VA)  36.3723 PREMIER SC NAVY (MD)  36.3424 FC STARS OF MASSACHUSETTS NPL (MA)  36.3425 UNITED FC 1776 XTREME (PAE)  36.3326 FURY SC ATHLETICA (WV)  36.2927 CONTINENTAL FC ECNL (PAE)  36.2628 MARYLAND UNITED FC ECNL (MD)  36.1929 READING RAGE SC MORGAN (PAE)  36.1830 ARLINGTON SA RED (VA)  36.1731 SUSA FC ELITE (NYE)  36.1532 FC FREDERICK (MD)  36.0733 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY NORTH NPL (NJ)  36.0434 NJ WILDCATS FURY NPL (NJ)  36.0135 BEACH FC VA RED (VA)  36.0036 LEHIGH VALLEY UNITED BLACK (PAE)  35.9837 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY SOUTH (NJ)  35.8538 NJ ELITE FLAMES (NJ)  35.8439 NEW YORK SC ELITE NPL (NYE)  35.8240 SJEB RUSH PREMIER WHITE (NJ)  35.8141 BEADLING SC ELITE (PAW)  35.8042 NJ STALLIONS ACADEMY FREEDOM NPL (NJ)  35.7443 NEFC BBA NPL (MA)  35.7344 CENTURY V SOCCER GOLD (PAW)  35.6245 EAST MEADOW SC ECNL (NYE)  35.6246 FC BERNA LEGACY BLACK (NJ)  35.6047 PENNSYLVANIA CLASSICS ACADEMY (PAE)  35.5448 NEW YORK SURF SC ACADEMY (NYE)  35.5449 NORTH UNION UNITED SC WAVE (PAE)  35.4850 NEFC BBA NS ELITE (MA)  35.4651 HARFORD FC UNITED THUNDER (MD)  35.4252 PENN UNITED FORCE FC (PAE)  35.4253 VIRGINIA RUSH (VA)  35.4154 MATCH FIT ACADEMY FC NPL (NJ)  35.4055 SEACOAST UNITED NPL (NH)  35.3956 ROCHESTER FC (NYW)  35.3857 DAVIDSONVILLE ATHLETIC ASSOCIATION MARYLAND UNITED FC ELITE (MD)  35.3758 BAYSIDE FC BOLTS NPL (RI)  35.3759 WORLD CLASS FC NPL (NYE)  35.2060 HARLEYSVILLE FC READY (PAE)  35.1661 CALVERT ELITE SC (MD)  35.1662 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY SOUTH SPURS (NJ)  35.1163 DSA UNITED SC (ME)  35.1164 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY FUSION (NJ)  35.1065 MANHATTAN SC PRIDE NPL (NYE)  35.1066 LOUDOUN SC SOCCER RED (VA)  35.0967 FC COPA COPA NJ ACADEMY BLACK (NJ)  35.0868 GPS MASSACHUSETTS ELITE RED (MA)  35.0569 MORRIS UNITED SA STA NPL (NJ)  35.0170 BETHESDA SC STORM (MD)  35.00
So #3 (Breakers) & #4 (Penn Fusion) are out in the future rankings as they are GDA? Is that what you mean? Will be interesting to see. Are Classics still going to roster non GDA teams as well?
8:00 Of course Classics will still have non GDA teams (actually at least two of them). When has quality of play ever mattered when it comes to quantity of dollars to be made? Those B and C teams are pure money makers and the parents are not near as competitive and do a lot less bitching. Selling the feeling of "HOPE" is what many clubs do best. How many of the NPL girls from Penn Fusion ever moved up to join the ECNL team? CFC is probably one of the few that actually give their secondary team players a true shot at moving up.
Every club wants more than one team. Are all players equal?Would be foolish to think otherwise.Some topics are so worn out....
6:41. Was the question not asked about non GDA teams being offered? A simple garment of truth is put out there and you say it fits you perfectly. This is a blog Coach Mike, we are allowed to answer.
Someone has sour grapes...Of course there are non GDA teams....that's actually a stupid question dude!!!Were clubs just formed as GDA clubs?
Maybe this answers your question.... 06 GIRLS ELITE TEAM 05 GIRLS ELITE TEAM 04 GIRLS DA TEAM 03 GIRLS DA TEAM 01 GIRLS DA TEAM 08 GIRLS PREDATORS TEAM 07 GIRLS PREDATORS TEAM 06 GIRLS PREDATORS TEAM 05 GIRLS PREDATORS TEAM 07 GIRLS PREACADEMY TEAM 04 GIRLS PREACADEMY TEAM 03 GIRLS PREACADEMY TEAM 02 GIRLS PREACADEMY TEAM 01 GIRLS PREACADEMY TEAM 00 GIRLS PREACADEMY TEAM 99 GIRLS PREACADEMY TEAM 98 GIRLS NPL TEAM 97 GIRLS NPL TEAM 08 GIRLS UNITED TEAM 07 GIRLS UNITED TEAM 06 GIRLS UNITED TEAM 05 GIRLS UNITED TEAM 04 GIRLS UNITED TEAM 03 GIRLS UNITED TEAM 02 GIRLS UNITED TEAM 02 GIRLS UNITED SILVER TEAM 01 GIRLS UNITED TEAM 00 GIRLS UNITED TEAM 99 GIRLS UNITED TEAM 08 GIRLS EAGLES TEAM 05 GIRLS EAGLES TEAM 04 GIRLS EAGLES TEAM 03 GIRLS EAGLES TEAM 02 GIRLS EAGLES TEAM
So what does Pre Academy Team reference at the old ages. I could see a u13 pre-academy but a u18 pre-academy indicates that players have the chance to move to an academy team? Or is this a lower level designation?
8:00 kind of - I would think the Breakers and Penn Fusion will fall off. Since they will no longer have an ECNL team playing and the ECNL teams from GDA clubs will be a shell since the 2001 kids are the older kids so most of the teams will have 2001 players instead of a 50/50 split potentially. These teams will use NPL players in theory or they might play up their 2002s either way the teams won't be as good and of course the NPL teams will be even weaker. Only time will tell what we see, that's why I posted, so we can see the change if any over time. Of Course same goes for Classic and Oakwood from CT their non GDA teams will take a huge hit.6:41 I agree it's a player pool thing, the bigger the pool the more choices you have some may develop and some may not. As coaches change so might the core/depth players.7:59 reserves - just like Red Bulls 2 in the USL
10:35 PM Totally disagree about Continental, they fed a few players a line that for roster purposes they were roster on NPL because it was easier to go up than transfer players down. Some good players never saw anytime with ECNL teams in games, a few were brought up for training to send a message to the ECNL players.
I am 6:41 and was not trying to offend Coach Mike or his Classics squad or his club with my previous comment regarding multiple teams. But lets at least be honest or pretend to be, and admit that players from the non GDA teams are not moving up and have a snowballs chance in hell of doing so on any club. When those GDA teams are selected and choices are made, do anyone really think that the U17 players and parent that believe they should of made GDA stick around and say "Gee, lets play on a really bad team for a year and see what happens"? It's their U17 year!!! One of the most important years of their soccer lives for the better ones that want to showcase any skills they may have. Are they going to do that on a "B" team? And what will be a bad "B" team at that. 8:55 made a comment about the player pool being bigger to increase choices as players may develop. That's a terrific utopian thought process, but unfortunately those players on those "B" teams will never swim in the deep end. It's not about having reserve players to draw from, it's about having cash reserves to feed the beast, which is the game I love watching my daughter play (as we all do)
8/13 10:ishi think some kids had opportunities to train with ECNL in some of the NPL clubs/teams you mentioned. But, it just didn't pan out. Pre-academy teams, my understanding, have an ability to move up. I don't think academy and pre-academy teams have been posted yet. At least not for our club they haven't.
7:32 those are not the correct teams posted, yet. stop back in a few weeks. thanks for snooping though.
10:46 you are looking at this wrong. let me take the other side for a sec, doesn't matter if i believe it or not.1. GDA is for younger ages. Keep a large pool because players develop at different rates.2. I agree by u17 players should understand the game and if they are not given an opportunity to follow dreams they need to do what is best for them (I would hope this was done prior to u17 though)3. These money teams as you call them will still have a player pool to play when the girls are seniors if they need it to be still be seen. While most teams with 1 team per age group will end. So playing on a B/C team does offer a sense of security.4. A coach or a selector are looking for certain traits in their players. If a player hasn't shown them they will never get a chance as long as the same coach and selector are picking the teams, nothing wrong with this. if they think a kid isn't GDA doesn't mean a kid isn't GDA just means they are not their GDA material, stay or move on is a choice.My opinion is simple. I believe the player needs to be fast, if they are fast and understand the game they are in regardless of what club or team they play for. They will show this at a school's ID clinic. If a player doesn't have the natural speed then they need to understand the game even more because position on the field and transitions become even more important to out shine a faster player with less skill. What good is skill if you can't use it to move the ball. Soccer skill is great but if a player doesn't have the speed or doesn't move well without the ball chances are HS is the last stop.
hahaha agreed. clearly, there aren't any 98 and 97 teams anymore. anxious poster i guess.
11:42 I totally agree with your last point and unfortunately my post had nothing to do with clubs that have been awarded GDA teams (although it might have seemed that way). Your last paragraph mentioned the importance of speed and the need to be fast in order to play at the highest level, because as you stated, what good is skill if you can't get to the ball? So let me put it to you this way? When watching "B" and "c" teams play, you can obviously see that their are many girls out there that are not quick nor fast. Yet by having them playing on the "B" teams, are clubs telling them that their lack of speed doesn't matter and there is a chance they could move up? Or are they just pacifying a hopeful parent and player and collecting dollars? Let's face it, "B" team tournaments cost less, usually involve less travel for coaches and the top paid coach isn't coaching them. I do believe there is room on the field for highly skilled players with average speed, ones that can turn bad passes into a good one. But how many of those can a coach play at the same time? As far as keeping a large pool of players for a sense of security, by senior year (and sometimes junior), most "B" team players have realized that they are only playing for fun. And although they will not receive any college money for the sport they love, they may still make and play on a college team at some level. Good back and forth 11:42. Although we disagree on many points, you state yours extremely well.
Fast in space is not always quick to the ball.And the "slower" player can still be effective if you play their feet rather than playing them into space.Work rate has to be factored in as well with the "speed" player.You will often see a Div 1 player where you say, "wow, if she had some better speed she'd be unstoppable." Average speed - yes - can still be quite effective. And speedy players can often be useless.
Just speed was great when they were younger, but if they aren't incorporating high soccer iq, it's useless; unless they are playing very slow opponents. Most times, at this age, not the case.
Okay - I'm talking D1 soccer or NT level players. They all know how to play soccer. If you don't have speed or you are not crafty you have no shot. I am talking about slow players not at the D1 level -they need something else because the game is played very quickly and space closes up very quickly. If they are not crafty and can't process what's going on they have no shot. We aren't talking speed vs skill at the younger ages these are all players with skill some just have more but they are all fast.1:10 the girls at the D1 level will eat up a slower girl regardless of her skill if she isn't fast they can recover from a move very quickly followed by a hard foul. Defenders are big, fast and physical.I'm sure you guys all played the game and by know you know how the girls play - heads down blinders on and go forward - why do you think our NT was so great over the years. We still play that way by the way on the girls side our boys are starting to play soccer we still have a generation to go before we really play on the boys side but it's going in the right direction. Speed with Soccer IQ is very hard to overcome if the player is not fast. just my opinion.
1:50 You are correct about D1 speed and physicality of play (especially the defenders). Even at the D3 level, watching a Messiah or Misericordia game last year, we got to see how little time there is with those defenders closing so quick, and with bad intentions when finishing their checks. They are so quick to the ball, that they force slower mids (and the mids are not actually slow) to play safe on a consistent basis, forcing a lot of balls to go back to their own end. Both teams defenses allowed very few quality shots on their keepers as a result. I realize those are just Mid Atlantic D3 teams, but even there the speed of play and the speed of the better players was evident. There is absolutely a place on every team for the crafty players with average speed, but very rarely will you ever see it at a D1 level.
Quick note here. We watch much DI soccer, it is free and accessible. We also watch DII and DIII. The difference between typical DI and DIII is like professional to recreation. believe me.
Every roster has them, 3:48
4:58 only if they have 4.0 GPA and have a big heart to boost the overall team GPA.
5:21 Reallys know the game. That is so true and just shows there is a "Rudy" story on every soccer team. Coaches love to tell parents about their team average GPA. They just don't tell them what part of the team it comes from.
Didn't we do this high athletics and high academics at various top schools already? Groundhog's day isn't until February.
Sounds like someone"s feelings got stepped on. Please enlighten us with your pearls of wisdom 7:07. What would you like to discuss?? Core course GPA??The value of unofficial visits?Percentage of Recruiting rejections?Why did they change the soccer ball from its original design of six panels of three strips each?Although men soccer players sustain a great percentage of injuries, why do women face a higher percentage of severe injuries (knee's, shoulder's, back and spine)?.There 7:07, now since you had nothing to bring to the table but criticism of others conversation, you can work off of those.
Seems like you don't like criticism 7:46. Why have the same discussions? Yes, let's talk about unofficial recruiting visits. How did they go for everyone? Likes and dislikes. Kids looking to stay close or go several states away? Other than the food, what else is a score at various colleges? Anyone doing the commuter route? Also like the soccer ball design discussion. Big one; any hints as to laundry detergent or similar suggestions to get the stink out of their stuff? Any upcoming Labor Day weekend tourneys? What about WAGS, etc. this year? Any thoughts how these tourneys are impacted by all the changes?
There you go 11:41, now your injecting so good questions instead of criticizing others conversation. Look at you go when pushed a little bit.
Plenty of bang for the buck at some of these 1 day school run ID camps. For like $125 you get plenty of game action vs like competition - and as a bonus you get seen by a few schools.D1 schools - some run a little higher - and of course you often have the option of a 2-3 day event.Unofficial visits? Very important. Go get the feel of the school on a guided tour/info session or just by taking in the grounds yourself.On a school in session day there is a different vibe of course. May be more telling than going in summer or on winter recess.I also see benefit in attending the collegiate games within an hour or so from where you are. I will be gladly giving up NFL/college football this fall to see what some of these teams in the area look like, style of play, coach demeanor etc.
7:25 not the original poster, but you don't see yourself or your tone as critical? how's that glass house? may explain the lack of new discussions. people are just not coming back to this blog.
Top Drawer Soccer top 100 collegiate womens players for 2017 is out4 players in top 25 are not from Power 5 schools12 of top 5025 of top 7541 of top 100Congratulations to Ms Murphy of Rutgers - coming in at #9 - and top GK
10:35 Not sure how the "glass house" comment fits? But if it works for you then whose to argue. I listed five articles to discuss and now some of it being discussed. Nothing critical dear and didn't mean to hurt your feelings.10:14 Good post and great idea about attending a game and seeing the coaches demeanor and style of play in person. Found the unofficial visit during the year worked well because my daughter was able to talk to the students about the campus itself. Questions regarding everyday things like getting from one building to another, things to do off campus and stuff like that.
Does anyone know if the new DA teams will be doing tournaments like Disney? Their Pre DA teams from last season were certainly good enough, but all that has changed with girls moving and teams being totally different.
DA teams will not be doing tourneys like Disney. They have their own showcases.Some that are considered "pre DA" can do what they want.
Come on 8:30 do you understand what the DA is? Did ODP teams ever go to Disney?NJYS ODP teams are now Called PDA and Cedar Stars. It's up to the players and what they want. International Play (aka Olympic Development) or playing HS soccer. The GDA clubs will produce very good players that the college coaches will love. It's up to the players and their parents to back the platform that is great for their kids.
PF DA team is doing Disney.
Outside Activity/Competition Domestic & international tournaments may be permitted if they meet Academy's technical standards of one game per day and elite competition. Examples of permitted events include the Dallas Cup, Surf Cup, Disney Showcase, and other International events
I "think" the DA teams will go for great competition. That would include many of the above listed, Jeff Cup as well. Jeff Cup is the spring opener in mid-March so most should go there unless tied up somewhere else that weekend, or before or after that weekend. Certainly too many matches and tournaments are not good. And no more need to showcase because DA matches will get looks for coaches. And DA events. But you would also have the famous PDA tournament that would still run at Rutgers, again for example
Jeff Cup I am sure will now have a separate DA division, like with ECNLheh
11:11i heard they are only sending uncommitted kids.
Makes sense. Then they can take advantage of the substitution rules that are not a rigid as DA so more kids can get playing time.
1:25 I agree - but I also think it defeats the purpose.GDA is training 4x per week with the best to earn a spot on the roster come game day to play in a meaningful game. That's what they are selling. I guess PF doesn't believe in what they are selling, since they need an outside tournament to get kids looks. That should speak volumes by itself, just like it did for the ECNL. If the ECNL events were so great and they were why did some ECNL teams feel the need to play at Bethesda, CASL, NEWSS and Jefferson? Oh yeah marketing, the ECNL club hosts can say their event has teams from the ECNL and all over.Why have a DA if you can't even play simple within your own rules? These other tournaments are just participation awards. Looking more like the USSF just wanted a piece of the cash cow.
2:28interesting. I also hear they have a number of pre-academy kids that may go as well.
2:28some clubs went to some of those tourneys to as part of their agreement in marketing their club brand (nike, puma, adidas, etc.). I was told that from a USYS club. Not sure how true it is but made sense.
Jeff Cup had ecnl mix. Disney and Bethesda also ecnl mix. PDA also had ecnl mixed. only Casl had ecnl only. If a team is good enough I would mix them. Just hate to see blowouts.
Only mixed ECNL at PDA was the younger ages. Older was ECNL brackets only as it was a national ECNL event that counted toward post season play. The other tourneys didn't count.
PF is not sending top players only end of the bench and DP listed players. They will use it as a JV tourney and play their top kids in the DA winter showcase.USSF doesn't make money on their showcases. Venders pay the bills. The only money grab is the academy who overcharges for you to be on their individual DA team. The USSDA league itself is no financial burden to the club at all, they actually subsidize some of the cost. USSF does not charge for any events and they cover ref fees. The only cost to US Soccer is $50 per player. Obviously travel expenses are not covered.
So is the Disney tournament being used as a pacifier for the kids who won't be rostered for the DA winter showcase then?
Tito or hilda
12:05I heard it's for kids that are not committed no matter where they fall on the depth chart.
So my daughter came home from DA training and mentioned that some of the girls are rethinking their commitment. Anyone else seeing this?
Players have to play somewhere, 12:05Some DA kids are being asked to play NPL
1:05...yes seeing it at my daughters club as well. I know a couple of girls that left DA to go to the clubs ECNL team 2 weeks before the first game.
Once some girls realize their playtime in games is not there, their effort for the trainings will show and I expect some to bail. Not just on my kids team but every DA team.
1:05maybe some kids should be rethinking this. It's not for everybody.
4:44 so is this how they handle college as well? I'm not playing so I'm bailing. Or, I work harder and earn playing time.
I see some bailing. Definitely.
7:58 They transfer = same thing. Gee wonder where they learned that?Everyone wants to play at the top because they think they are good enough.The selection processed showed that they are but it looks like the fight isn't.To each their own. All that matters is that they are where they want to be.Some lessons you learn the hard way.
If they committed to the team they should see it through. Quitting when things don't go your way will only teach your kid to run from problems. She should stay and fight for her time. If she was offered a spot to begin with than she is good enough but maybe needs to work harder. You are not helping your kid by letting them walk away. It's suppose to be hard, that's how you know where your plateau is. To be the best, you have to play the best. Time on the bench will knock a kid down a peg and show them that you have to work hard to improve. As long as the situation is not harmful, don't wimp out. Kids who can't keep commitments become adults who can't keep commitments. It is learned behavior.
7:21 I agree with your comment when talking adults.These are kids and you are only young once.At the end of the day this is a GAME nothing more. if it's not fun then i won't hate if someone walked away - would say good luck and I hope things workout.They are kids and they all want to play - if one person thinks they are a sub doesn't mean the next will. Wimp out? They are young and should enjoy being young.
PS. It's okay to want to play for the NT and then change your mind when you see all that you need to give up. HS Soccer, training 4x per week after school commute how ever long to the field and then back home. Keep your grades up and make sure they don't slip.And you say don't wimp out? I know what you mean but at the end of the day these are young ladies with only 10 Pro teams that pay 15k per year if you are not a key player or international player.
16 year old girls are old enough to learn how to make adult decisions and honor commitments. They took that spot from another kid and now are giving up because it got too hard. They owe it to the kid who missed the opportunity to see it through. This is a good life lesson. Didn't you sign a contract to join?They are already involved in much more adult type situations that they have to navigate through now.
7:21Kids are being identified by experts at younger and younger ages resulting in downstream decisions that go against some people's logic, or causing some people to accuse young athletes or bailing. I have seen it time and again where a u14 player is touted as the best in her age group because the DOC determined her current ability to be better than her peers. One thing Club DOCs and regional talent scouts can't do is project talent, and one thing most youth coaches cant do (at any level) is train to potential. The system beginning at U14 promotes the best and brightest at that age leaving behind a large group of potential. It takes a brave coach to actually identify potential and then coach/train a player to reach it. My daughter is a GK and had a hard time finding the right trainer, not because of her but because the trainers are looking for recognition by promoting their prodigies, she finally found someone who was able to take her God given attributes and turn her into a top ranked keeper. Girls who have stayed with the original trainer (as u14 prodigies because of size and athletic ability) who were getting moved through now that it matters for college scouts they are getting passed over because the trainer never trained to potential she trained to capabilities. This is what happens at clubs around u16, coaches don't want to train and improve players they want to acquire and trade players. This isn't a pro sports league, parents need to speak-up so that the product improves across the board. Maybe the DA needs to put rules in that protect the player and the team with strict transfer rules and eligibility that holds clubs accountable to train the players they have, play the players they train. Yes this isn't rec but at the end of the season there should not be a high delta between players for game time minutes. If you are a DA player you should see at least 40% playing time. If girls are bailing even before games start what will happen if they are sitting the first 5 games of the season??
11:43That opinion you have is why we now have a mindless, non-accountable society. I assume you like participation medals too?11:58Agree wholeheartedly. They need to learn responsibility and become productive adults
I guess I am in the middle. I let my children decide, with me and spouse suggestions. It may not be quitting. Maybe they are moving to another sport. Maybe they are not having fun. it comes down to do you lead a happy life or a life of firmness. I think you have to find the middle. I do agree a lot with previous poster about trading and not developing players. DA will develop with 4x week training and playing the best theoretically. Does a teacher making $75K per year leave his nice teaching job to go to NYC everyday to make $150K. Does a child in college take courses to be a coach, at, or pt. Or do they become attorneys, doctors or marketing people to make millions. Quitting is sometimes a great thing. It changes the path you are on. And many times it is the right decision, many times.
12:14 That was an excellent post and really hits the mark. Although I do believe there is validity in the value of a club name when it comes to U17 and up (maybe even U16). I think below those ages, the ability to find a coach that is vested in your team and the individual player is paramount to any club name. Of course he or she also needs to know what the hell their doing and not just be an "effort coach".
12:14my daughter is a keeper too and considered top level. But players like this (including field players too) don't just fall out of the sky. Why wouldn't a club bring in a kid that has the attributes to go beyond where she was being used or underused previously? Many times, the child wants it. At least my daughter did. As another poster noted, it is the club and the system that can bring it all together to fill in the missing pieces of the complete puzzle. And, getting different training experiences has worked wonders for my daughter. She knows what works for her and what doesn't. It's all goes into the soccer iq files. Also, being able to fulfill potential and capabilities are also vastly different. Many things go into both categories (i.e., size, desire, ability, iq (soccer and mental), athleticism, and more). Even kids that have all the tools can plateau long before anyone anticipated. These are children not wind-up toys. Anything is possible good and not so good. And like teams, some coaches and trainers have a better fit with different kids. Sometimes it's good to change things up. Fresh eyes and perspective. It's all a crap shoot.
I was reading some of the earlier post regarding a couple DA players rethinking their decision and possibly leaving. So does the team go on with the numbers they have or is there a reserve? Players that were told they may be called up if an injury occurs or player departure? With some of the older age DA teams already short on number of players, would they pull younger players up or just shut that age group down?
Trolling the da teams websites, you will see that at least one team is heavily stacked and won't have an issue with losing players. The older team will most likely be pulling players up since the roster shows to be short.I personally can't wait for the games to start
So at this point, even if a DA team was short players, they wouldn't consider adding a player that hadn't been to their tryouts? Even if it was a talented player. I say this because there is talk about a few girls already regretting their decision to play DA, but there also may be a few girls playing HS thinking the same thing. Especially a talented player on a bad HS team.
That would depend on the pride of the DOC and club.Amazing how this plays a factor.
Any team would add a difference maker. The DA clubs understand its an unknown and would therefore be more likely to accept a later add with a comment along the lines of, well the whole DA deal wasn't well enough understood and this player understands know what she wants is most in line with this philosophy ...
I would think that there is an in-season limit to player adds to a team and where players can come from. An Ideal situation would be a rule that stipulates a DA club would need to fill a roster spot with and existing club player (I think all DA clubs have multiple teams at each age level). But as an earlier poster noted egos play a big role in youth soccer. Would the DOC or coach reach out to a player who was on the bubble and not selected, would the player (parent) take the offer knowing that the player may just be a roster filler? I also believe that if you are on a DA team there should be consistent rules that every rostered player sees meaningful playing time during the season.
6:48are the rosters listed somewhere? Will US Soccer list?I know my kid's club doesn't have the correct rosters posted on their website. And my friend said the same about her daughter at a different club.
Hahahaha. how difficult is it to put up a correct roster? So then why post? already sounds bush league.
and 2 PA clubs which will remain nameless have the same girl on each of their rosters...:)
So just confirming that some don't have correct rosters posted. good stuff.
I would not go by the rosters on the club sites but the ones posted to the USSDA site. Although the rosters for PF are all blank and the 18/19 for PA Classics looks real light while the u16 looks real heavy. It may be related to internal decisions to make additional cuts or to re-align players. I would think that all rosters need to be certified prior to the first game next week. Honestly I am out of the picture as this does not apply to my daughter, I do have friends whose daughters are on DA teams and talk around the water cooler is the parents with younger girls thought it was a no brainer to go DA when offered but the older girls who have tenure in high school had a much harder decision. Some actually accepted DA spots, trained with their HS teams in pre-season and are dropping from DA. One friend has a u14 who is fully DA committed while his Sr. daughter opted out once she got back with her HS team.
kids are kids. and they are only kids, once. but, it's all relative to what you want to do in soccer. if you want to play beyond college, you want DA on your resume. if you don't, then why not play hs.
Agreed. Or if you want to see playing time as a freshman in college in competitive programs, then you go DA. As you noted, it's all relative to what your child wants.
Still early in the NCAA season but it would be interesting to see how many freshman are seeing playing time.
11:46 I agree - if they want to play HS go for it. I think if my kid had a choice she wouldn't play HS, it would be her choice either way.12:08 Sorry I disagree soccer is so subjective, that it doesn't matter. It all comes down to what the coach thinks of the players for the roles he/she needs. Has nothing to do with where they played their youth soccer it's what they think of the player period.
Of course that is part of it, but if a kid comes in game ready to compete for playing time right away, they will see some over others that aren't high level game ready. That is unless they are being red-shirted. When coaches go into the roster during the season due to injuries, etc., that is when this may matter. Since there is nothing to use as far as a gauge because this is DA's first year, it will be interesting to see. And to your comment, it's what they think of the player, don't you think a coach in a competitive program likes to see that a player wanted to play at the highest level before coming aboard? So, that will already play into what they think of the player department. This player wants to play, now.
The ND freshman from Highlands was one of the nest players on the field in her debutI love when teams just go on TALENT rather than pecking order. Seems she made an excellent collegiate choice (in terms of soccer anyway)Re: DA teams adding - I'd be willing to bet there are ECNL to DA "transactions" once HS season is over.And of course CedarStars will take anyone, anytime.
2:53 are on the team simply because they are good students and that high GPA will boost the overall team so they can brag about how much they care about academics. These kids want to play but they will never log minutes maybe a few in a blowout. These rosters are 26-30 deep not all are playing. 3:02 where does CS academy train?
2:53 Do you really think that because a player plays for a DA team that a college coach will see that as a player wanting to play right away? Whereas a great player for another club will be seen as a player that doesn't mind sitting the bench? How about you look at some college rosters and then check out who their starter are before you make such a ridiculous statement. If a girl is a great player on a team, its most likely because she's athletic, worked at her craft extremely hard for many years, and most of all is extremely competitive. According to your logic, a top player on an ECNL team like CFC will be seen not wanting that starting spot because she decided not to play DA. I guess those FC Bucks girls on Penn State were lucky they had a high GPA.
8:27 good programs are not going to waste roster spots on kids simply because they have high GPA's. They must have talent, too. And yes some kids won't ever see the field for certain teams. They are called roster spots/training squad; like football. And it will be up to those kids to determine if they like just having equipment that says a certain team name or actually getting playing time and maybe rethinking their decision. But it's up to the kid. Some are just fine with it. It happens ALL the time and in nearly every sport in college.
10:24 how can this be a ridiculous statement when GDA has not happened before now? As noted, there is not gauge, yet. But, read the article about UNC. It's implied to play GDA. Others are doing the same. How about getting your head out the sand every once in a while.
10:24 that was a fantastic FC Bucks team - btw. I know several of those girls. But the future is yet to be written. And the future is GDA.
10:24 i agree. being a great player does take all of those attributes. But, being a great player on a weak team (and I'm not saying this to imply that the teams you mentioned are weak) is a lot different than being a great player on a great team. It depends on where the kid is going and if they want to play. If you are going into a competitive program, you want to stand out.
10:54 My comment wasn't really against the DA program or it's players, or the excellent coaches that will be on the sidelines. My comment was that you are assuming that colleges coaches care about what a player did for their last team. I am also assuming you are a smart parent and realize that most college coaches recruit 20 to 30 more players than their roster will hold, and induce them to sign on with the thought process that they already made the team? All those coaches care about is who will be the best on their team and who fits their system. For every UNC statement you read and post about, someone can bring up a college coach with a different perspective. Georgetown coaches think HS serves purpose because because they identify girls early (freshmen/soph) and it gives them a chance to see how a player reacts to uperclassmans physicality during games. It's implied that they do not really care about the GDA. There is over 334 women's D1 soccer schools, with the average roster between 23-26 per team. If we just take the starters for those schools, that's 3,674 players, think about those numbers and pull your head out from under the beer tap and you will see what I mean by "ridiculous". Not trashing the DA at all as many of my daughters friends play in it and they are very good players with great parents. I want them all to succeed and flourish with the choice they made.
3:14 posting again. Please understand that under no circumstances did I mean that Georgetown ID's its players by watching HS play. Just that like most top D1 programs, they have already identified their recruits by freshmen and Sophmore year. So all their doing is monitoring them by that point to see how much fight is in the dog.
That's funny. they were quite happy when they learned my daughter was playing GDA. So, different strokes i guess.
hey 3:14. I'm 10:54. Here's MY post 8/15 at 11;45 on the U16 blog as i have a younger child, too:"Of course there will be some DI players that don't play DA. The GDA only has a limited amount of spots an average of 11 per team per age group. How many teams are there? 69 total. So out of the hundreds of thousands of girls in one age group that play, only 759 (using 11 x 69) are wearing a DA emblem. And generally a recruiting class is looking at saw on another blog about 8-11 per class and about 310 +/- DI schools (all tiers). That's 3410 spots to fill. Where it will pay off is many (not all) of the 759 though will in all likelihood get more money offered because of the emblem they wear. And, with have priority access to top tier schools. Keep in mind there are many, many more girls that play soccer than boys in the US."Pretty sure I DO understand. Glad you enjoyed my logic. Now, back to the fight. Neck & Neck
10:32You expect that they'd say they are NOT happy?
Match day on Saturday....exciting to see what this season will bring...blog posts after games mostly :)
Seriously most don't care.Maybe you should go to the Academy Soccer board:http://youthsoccertalk.blogspot.com/2012/05/academy-soccer-new-may-11.htmlThis page is designated for questions, comments and sharing information related to youth soccer academies.All age groups and boy / girls will be included here.
10:43expected them to say what you alleged prior to decision being made. my kid wanted to do hs. not the case.
Girls DA parents aren't going to a boys DA forum. Get real.
hahaha. true. then how can we correct all the misconceptions? any other kick off tourneys or games this upcoming weekend?
https://www.uslacrosse.org/blog/time-for-officials-to-step-up-and-enforce-conduct-rulesEven other sports of tired of the officials swallowing their whistle when it matters. Snowflakes.
12:39 Your DA arrogance kills me. Your 11x69 logic implies that 11 players from each team will be playing D1. Maybe if each team had the top players that decided to go the HS route, that would happen. I guess you didn't get to witness the PF scrimmage in NY last weekend and missed out on the high skill level of that 4-0 game? That was a game that could have easily been 6-0 or 8-0 and that is what quite a few DA teams will bring to the table.
News flash Nobody cares what PF is doing .
@4:29. I'm sure that whole comment sounded much better in your head. It's a hard nonsensical read though. Like, huh? What'ch ya talking about bro
Explain DA arrogance please.Your comment was as pompous as it gets Mr PF
5:55 The arrogance lies in the fact that you believe that the emblem really will earn them more money (don't worry, I was the same way once). I have been through the DA system on the boys side and watched so many parents believe that same thing you do now. After four years and thousand of miles of driving, my son was extremely fortunate and a little bit lucky and came away with paying nearly nothing for college. But so many of these parents and players ended up with much less than expected, or were cut going into U17. Imagine playing for a DA team since U14 and then boom, cut at U17 (big recruiting year for boys). You do not want to believe it, but the girls DA will have close to a 40% turnover margin by next tryout. The top 6 players on each team will stay, but at least 8 to 9 will leave. The DA is truly an awesome tool for the top 6 to 8 players on the team and they WILL benefit from it, especially if its a good team and their not playing defense the whole game. But for the other 12 to 14 players that are playing sporadically (only 5 subs per game), staying ECNL would have been a better way to go. I brought up the PF/NY FC game because all NY FC did was play defense the entire game and their offensive players didn't get to show their skillset at all. If this is how its going to be for their season, How are those players looking in the eyes of recruiting coaches??I did reread your post 11:55 and I was wrong, your not arrogant at all, just misinformed. 11:20 Try reading slower or have your kids read it to you and explain it.
I think you'll find that except for the top 5%, most have a pipe dreamThe program will take 2-3 years to get established and I agree there will be much turnover.On another note, is there a place where the game rosters are posted on ussda site?
Hey 4:29; your arrogance is annoying me and I'm with PF. First of all no one posts scores about a friendly. And secondly, it was a friendly; a try kids in different positions or teams kind of thing. Who knows what line ups you will face the next time from that team? Kids were missing due to SAT's from all the teams. Btw - there are many levels in DI as well.
Some of these players don't have 'pipe dreams'. Some don't mind spending the money and traveling either.
8:09 i hear you re the boys' DA side of it and the emblem not necessarily earning more $$$. But the boys' DA was the equivalent of the girls' ECNL. And in ECNL not everyone gets full rides or even half. Many do get some $$ though (books, something). Now that the girls have a true pyramid, it should make a difference as it starts to flush out. btw - i'm the 12:39 poster as well.
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Saturday's outlookSky Blue - PDA U-16/17 1FC Virginia U-16/17 4PA Classics U-16/17 0Washington Spirit Academy - Baltimore Armour U-16/17 2Penn Fusion Soccer Academy U-16/17 5Virginia Development Academy U-16/17 1Washington Spirit Academy - Virginia U-16/17 1Cedar Stars Academy - Monmouth U-16/17 1
12:27 (I am the 8:09 poster) You have a good point about the girls side having a true pyramid, and maybe it will just take a few years "flush out". My worry is the every changing landscape the girls side suffer through every two or three years. There's always a new set of letters on which a higher standard will be achieved and somewhat delusional parents hoping to achieve it, all while living vicariously through their daughter. While the thought process of a pyramid and steps to higher levels of success is a perfect way to run our U.S Soccer Program, some clubs are better at running a pyramid scheme. Good posting back and forth with you 12:27. You proved your points well. 10:17 You really should just worry about coaching your team at PF and running the club. MANY LEVELS OF D1??? REALLY? Two kids playing in college and nobody told me? Damn it!! I knew I should have talked to you first because you know everything!! Give some credit to the posters on this blog and pretend they know that already. Funny how you don't mention that to your players and parents when your telling them about their D1 opportunities. All butterflies and rainbows at those meetings.
11:47 - not a coach, not in this sport anyway, but good try. yeah, i've had kids through it as well. oh and i'm 10:27 too. the same poster you are enjoying the back and forth. so there's that.
just trying to share experiences and learning as well. i don't proclaim to be an expert. i save that for others.
8:09 did a great job. Agreed, 100%
1:26 I guess I enjoy the part of you that post with logic and probable numbers. The 10:27 post is and emotional post that comes from a parent that's either doing Tino's laundry or is a coach themselves. Good luck to your daughter the rest of the year and we'll see where this ends up around mid-April
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