10:38 that is exactly what it sounds like. Too many specifics mentioned while trying to tear apart the club/kids to be anyone else.
@8:57 - wrong. the smell is from manure. That's cow tipping country you know.
@ 8:57 sorry your daughter couldn't make PAC DA. I'm sure a team somewhere will take her . Best of luck !
Wow 8:57, I hope you have a session scheduled today with your shrink!Your beef should be CC or MH, not with the girls! Not sure if your daughter is 02 or 01 and didn't make it but you definitely gave yourself away. Watch the stares on the sidelines at the next game as parents try to figure out who wrote this post.Where is she playing this weekend? Please try to encourage her to play her game and show the coaches that perhaps they make a wrong decision...
Obviously an 01 PAC parent. I'm sure no one will be sad to see that parent off the sidelines. I agree, any beef should be with the coaches, try to gather some maturity 8:57.
Could be 02 also. Either way...try to remain the adult dude. I understand the first few days after tryout are emotional but your anger is still bubbling over!! I assume your daughter is finishing the season with her team, be her support not detriment!
If the club is desperate enough to put 01 B team kids on the GDA, I would assume that all of the 01A team kids made the DA. I don't think its a current 01 "academy" parent. maybe 02 kid who didn't get promoted, but i am guessing from a competing club which doesn't want to lose its top kids to the Classics DA. make it look less attractive and maybe discourage an exodus.
3:03 - i don't know. maybe from the description, she turned them down. who would pick that?
I still don't understand how the sport allows/calls for try-outs while still in season. My kids played multiple sports including high level. This is the only one that we experienced that has that overlap.
12:39 - i don't think there is a concern whatsoever.
12:39 Obviously the Classics DA wasn't that attractive if their having to put "B" team players on it to make it viable. PF was just a better choice even if it meant less playing time.
Blame club heads like TM who wanted to get the jump on the other clubs by having "ID Sessions" in the middle of winter to try to pull in girls before the age group change and then before DA. Sticking to some traditional try-out protocol only puts them on even ground with everyone else. There is nothing wrong with competing for talent, but it really underlines most of these clubs' philosophy, which is that players are born -- not made. Who cares that they have half a season left to prove themselves? It doesn't matter because the top players have been and always will be (in the minds of people like CS and TM) the same top girls. Their job is to consolidate regional talent, and convince everyone that they have the secret sauce to get into college. The truth is that the secret sauce isn't some kind of Bundasliga League playing style -- it is good old fashioned talent grabbing. If their secret sauce was so good, then their B teams would dominate everyone except their A teams. They do not. My prediction is that at some point, it will be like college recruiting. US Club, US Soccer, or some other organization, will start mandating the tryout process just as the NCAA mandates the process for soccer recruiting for college.
As everyone gets side tracked into bashing each other's clubs, the point remains...the OP who trashed actual players bc his daughter didn't make the team is despicable and should feel ashamed. Trash the club's decisions if you'd like but leave the girls alone!
1:04Ask your daughter if sitting on a bench is a more viable option?
Early ID sessions and tryouts while the season is still going on should most likely be stopped but coaches are always looking and adding. Human nature is a funny thing. Coaches and parents egos are always competing with players caught in the middle. Occasionally I will see a player whose ego surpasses the coaches and the parents, and can sometimes back it up. But the Girls travel soccer machine is fueled by ego and money. If a club through their coaches identify talent they will stick by that player to prove their decision. I have only once outside of my own coaching experience seen a player come off the bench and dethrone the player she replaced. The coach thought he was going to show up a player and pulled her from a game, her father walked over to the bench, and walked off the field with his daughter, never to be seen again at that club. Saw her playing later for a different team. Coaches in the SE PA region are always scouting their competition as well, not to see how to beat them but to see who they can entice from the top 5 to join his program. If you can’t beat em, have them join you. And parents will follow if they feel their player can get a better deal. I have seen very few new faces added to a team after tryouts, but with the late roster lockdown dates I have seen players added late in the season and prior to tryouts. Coach promises playing time immediately and a roster spot for the following season.
1:11 - the secret sauce is to get kids into a college/college program to allow them to get a good education and continue with their soccer careers where ever it takes them. Speaking as a PF parent, they do.
Sad when parents care more about bragging rights than their kids happiness. No kid is happy to sit the bench. Who cares if a team is winning if your kid cant even say they helped get the win.
Hahaha 1:11 just sounds saucey. carry on.
2:32 - or the loss. There are benches in other sports too you know. And, in college.
2:29 - and sometimes the coaches are jackasses too. There is a way of handling a young kid who is struggling. Humiliation is not one of them.
2:43 - agreed. I have seen coaches through out my years berate a kid for making a mistake and then just pulling her (to show her and to show off). Then relegating the kid to the end of the bench. That's not how you coach young kids. You can substitute them, sit them next to you and explain what they did (have them watch to see what they were doing wrong). Also, I don't agree with the parent taking the kid from the game. You need to learn how to take your lumps too. Shows how thin skinned parent was as well.
Great article. Helpful information thank you!!
http://soccerthought.com/parent-coaching-perspectives-of-an-elite-players-parent-college-bound-player/An oldie but goodie
2:23 You can have your daughter ask her as she running by your bench, that is as long as your bench is on your defensive side, especially since that's where most of the game will be played.
So much immaturity on here. I feel for the kids of some of you idiots.
I wish everyone so much joy on the sidelines this weekend!!
11:43 -- wha?? that was a pretty convoluted and awkward response.
Heard JS Boca Manalapan is done after this season. Nice long run for that team is coming to an end.
2:43My daughter had a real JA a few years ago. I think the club kept him around because of some local college connections but then found out he had a past and moved him to the boys side. Should most likely have been let go. Was not a great communicator and the team only played well when the DOC was on the sideline. He did maintain power while the "head" coach with player decisions, the club lost some good players and teams were more than happy to take them as the reputation for playing for this guy and his shenanigans got around.
Sometimes your kids are not good enough. Too many people can't take a hard look at their own kid. On our team we have kids that should not be getting on the field and should have been moved to the B team. If those parents really cared about playing time they would have moved their kids down to the next team. They didn't, so they should suck it up and deal with it. There kid isn't good enough, we all see it, stinks they don't see it. There are lots of soccer teams to play for so maybe people need to find the right level that fits.
9:48 AM A bit of a soccer elitist are we? My frame of reference is ECNL (not sure what yours is as you reference "B" teams). Tryouts level players as capable to compete at a level and incapable. If a coach/staff evaluates for a team of 18-22 and selects 22 players then they see the possibility for the players to compete at the level they are placed. The problem is the selection of 18-22 players is also based on the need to have a squad that provides financial and training support. If your daughter is 1-5 you are good, 6-11 well maybe you need to think that there are others capable to take her time on the field. The creation of an A and a B team or ECNL/NPL is $$. the true process is to select 30 girls, co-roster and select ECNL squad prior to the last practice before the weekend, split the roster down the middle and 15 play ECNL and 15 play NPL, now the girls know where they are leveled, go through the 2 training practices at the start of the next week and re-level before the games. This is true DA mode soccer. Sure some girls will consistently be on the top squad and some consistently on the lower squad. But those that are close to the top may have the ability to play down a few games to work on things. Plus the 30 player roster prepares them for college. Having 2 22 player rosters is a money issue to maintain the large coaching budget and operating costs. With the current model a lot of people are paying for great fields for their daughter to train on with some mediocre coaching.
10:05 I agree 100% - the ECNL as a league even gave these clubs the opportunity to do what you said. Their max roster is 30. But the clubs opted for the money and now many of those same clubs (rebrand or not) have been rewarded with a GDA not because they can develop talent - the good soccer players will be good soccer players but because they can make $$$.I agree the top 5 players will be the same for most coaches all the others depend on the coach/selector and their style of play and opinion of course.9:48 i have no problem with you are saying. However, maybe those parents now their kid can play - be real for a second every player makes mistakes some just have a longer leash. Maybe they are hoping for a chance. But unless the coach changes they will never get it - the coach needs to trust them and sometimes that is hard to earn when he/she is comfortable with the players in his main rotation. So i agree they need to leave but not because the kid can't play but because the coach will never give them a fair shot.
My kid's team has a roster of 18.tier 1: 11 players play 60 mins a gametier 2: 4 players play 40 mins a gametier 3: 3 players play 20 mins a gameThe parents in tier 3 want their kids to play longer - when they do our team can't compete with the top teams and since we are not ECNL where 75% of the teams play for something - our coach has a tough decision. The parents in tier 1 want to win so their kids can play in higher flights and better tournaments. The parents in tier 2 and 3 want their kids to play longer so they can develop further and also want the team to win, but we can't have both.I'm 10:45 Does this make me an elitist?
1. Parents don't choose roster, coaches do and for the $$ many times. If a player is on A team it wasn't the parent unless there's political/$$ kickback, which is an entirely different subject.2. 80% development occurs in training not in games. So if girls aren't increasing playing time, then coach either has written them off or they're not improving.
11:03 I agree
10:58 is spot on. The ECNL level is about winning and not watering the weeds. The GDA will be the same. US Soccer is telling you that the GDA is about developing the best players for national level soccer, which was what the ECNL was about. If your kid is towards the bottom of the team then it is what it is, deal with it. For the bottom kids, it won't be just about playing time at GDA, it will be about who gets to dress for the game. So every week your kid will not only be fighting for playing time, they will be fighting for a seat on the bench. Player selection will be a new problem for some parents. Nobody wants to hear you cry about your kid not getting playing time. We all know what this is about when we sign on for the year. Maybe explore playing golf.
11:59 AM My daughter is not DA but I have a question once the teams start playing. If your daughter is on the team as a 2018/2019 maybe even a 2020 and un-committed and she is not getting in games but dressing do you wait to see? How many games do you wait, and if she is not dressing for the first 2-3 games what do you do? Is there a club option for these girls to play games at a lower level team? Do they jump ship altogether, or do they know going in they are at the end of the bench and accept the opportunity to train and get minutes? My daughter is already committed, not DA, Not ECNL. Her criteria (after academics and location)for selecting the school from the ones that were talking to her was the response of the coach regarding playing time. She asked, the coach provided a sufficient answer that wasn't "Oh I am not in charge of playing time, you are" without further explanation. He laid out why he recruited her and where he sees her contributing as a freshman. Are the DA teams having these conversations with players or are the parents so excited to have the badge that they are assuming their daughter is a key piece on the team??
And the reality is you can make money playing golf; real money.
12:35 PM True that. and full rides too.
@11:03 - do you mean political like sometimes kids get spots because coaches like them or their parents who maybe help line the fields, handle paperwork, etc. ? Then, yes, i think that happens with most teams.
12:37 - yep, to outstanding schools. A few of my older daughter's friends took that route.
@12:32 -First GDA mandates that every girl plays a minimum of 1 out of every 4 games. This is a minimum. Second if she is on DA, she will be committed regardless. Don't fret, those kids will be ok and chances are very high, they are already committed. My question to you is, why do you seem to think it's the parents chasing the "badge" or all about what the parents want? I think your argument might hold some merit at 9-12, but 16? Do you still determine the level of play and locaiton for your daughter? That normally ends at 13ish. Obviously varies by kid but if you do then i get your post. Criminals think like criminals. Seems to me that all people who's kids are in the ECNL/GDA are for the most part are happy with the it. Those who's kids are not in the ECNL/GDA seem hyper critical. Do the math.
2:11 PM Sometimes I try to figure people like you out. My thought is that you are successful in life or think you are. Your daughter has talent and you take a lot of credit for it. Chasing the badge to me is saying my daughter is on a top level team, but #16 on the roster. If your daughter is truly 1-10, committed to the school of YOUR choice, and happy great. My daughter, as I said is one of the committed players on her team, to the school she wanted to go to. My question was what do you do if you are not committed and not seeing playing time on one of the top teams. Will the coach "feature" a player if a coach is coming to see her? Or is his/her goal as a coach to win and he puts his best 11 on the field. If as you say the 11-22 players will all get college looks how will that be accomplished, coordinate with the College coach show he shows up at the 1 out of 4 games you play? And is that a player will get 80 minutes out of every 320? How is that managed? Do they pay only for the 80? Seems like a big risk to me?? And if that 25% is not understood by the 11-22 going in that's an issue.
First using the phrase "chasing the badge" is not really going to elilcit a genuine response, right? If you are asking a serious question you may want to work on your delivery. You do see that right? Suggesting I take credit for my daughters success is also somewhat hypocritical given I've not once mentioned my daughter's team, playing time or committment; fyi it's a good ECNL team/GDA next year, plays 65-80 min and committed to a top 10 academic school of her choice (I just happen to agree with it). You on the otherhand have, more than once. I enjoy my kids' sports and I don't pass jusdgment on other people for what they do because there is no secret recipe. Soccer is a means to an end for girls for the most part.I truly believe that practicing with top kids day in and day out and scrimmaging them is better for development then starting against arguably lesser competition; ie. HS soccer. So in my opinion a GDA bench player is further ahead than an 80 minuter playing lesser calibre. That is my opinion but I think college coaches feel this way as well. If your daughter is committed I would think you'd know the answers to these questions but if you are in the best place for development and enjoy it there is plenty you can do besides getting featured. Email the coach and say I am playing on this day, or send video of the entire game that you did play, or you go to thier ID camps which, depsite nay sayer on here, are very useful in getting seen. Your future, your responsibility. To answer your question, each coach is different and so you should do your homework and ask questions like this. If you tell your coach, in advance, that the college of your choice is coming to see you and he doesn't play you at all? then you ask for your card and you vote with your feet because you are in the wrong place. The ECNL coaches I know generally play the girls 50/50 in showcases but not in league play necessarily. At this point no one can answer about GDA but I assume it will be similar and if you are GDA calibre and aren't getting what you want there are a lot of teams that would take you in a heartbeat if it doesn't work out. Back to chasing that badge.
4:20- spot on!
I think 2:54 is actually wondering if the school his daughter committed to was a "we'll take it" - and if there was a greater challenge to be had had his daughter pursued other schools
Maybe but I don't need think so. I think it was if you are #16 and not committed what do you do if she doesn't get field time in that environment? Then the questioning of chasing the badge, insinuating parents are more caught up in the letters on the front then doing what's right to get her committed., like he/she did. I agree with the response in that the kid is probably better off being a sub in academy.
If you are #16 and not getting that much plying time then do some ID clinics at lower level D-I or D-III programs.
Some scores not from PDA0 NORTHERN STEEL ECLIPSE2 FC COPA ACADEMY G01 BLACK2 BEACH FC 01G RED1 SYRACUSE DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY SDA 2001 ORANGE0 UPPER 90 FURY3 LOUDOUN SOCCER 01G RED3 SJEB RUSH 01 GIRLS PREMIER WHITE0 GPS VT GENESIS FC ACADEMY3 SAC PREMIER BLUE0 FC BERNA LEGACY 01G1 ARLINGTON SA 2001 GIRLS RED1 YANKEE UNITED F.C. FLASH NPL-014 NJ CRUSH FC STORM NPL 0 OBGC FREEDOM BLUE0 HOLMDEL F.C. NJX CREW4 HARFORD FC UNITED THUNDER 01/022 READING RAGE '01 MORGAN1 DAVIDSONVILLE DYNAMITE1 HARFORD FC UNITED THUNDER 01/020 DAVIDSONVILLE DYNAMITE7 READING RAGE '01 MORGAN1 HOLMDEL F.C. NJX CREW1 CAPITAL UNITED SC BLUE FORCE 1 PA CLASSICS ACADEMY '011 PA CLASSICS ACADEMY '010 HFC READY 2001
@ PDA2 PDA South US Club U16 - Madrid - NPL1 Penn Fusion SA - NPL 2001 0 Saltfleet Stoney Creek 2001G Elite (Black)3 Braddock Road Youth Club Elite Academy 01/021 Premier Soccer Club - Strikers3 SUSA - SUSA ISA NPL G01 3 SJEB Rush - U16 01 Girls Academy2 FC Stars NPL 20013 Century United - Century V 01 Gold3 NJ Stallions Academy - Freedom NPL 1 PDA North US Club U16 - Hornets - NPL2 Oakwood Soccer Club - G163 Fury Soccer Club - Athletica0 FC Boston Scorpions - FC Boston Scorpions 2001 NPL1 Ohio Elite Soccer Academy - ACADEMY U163 NJ Wildcats - Fury-NPL 1 Albertson Fury U16 NPL 011 CFC United U16 NPL0 Massapequa Soccer Club - NPL 01 Cosmos3 NYSCE 2001 Sapphire3 FC Frederick - FCF '010 Match Fit Academy - 2001 NE NPL 1 PDA Shore US Club U16 - Fusion0 World Class FC '01 NPL4 NEFC - NEFC 2001 Girls NPL2 STA - MUSC 2001G NPL3 NJ Elite - Flames0 FC Bucks NPL U160 Smithtown Crimson Tide6 Manhattan Soccer Club - Pride0 FSA FC NPL U162 Maryland United FC 2001 CCL0 Pleasanton Rage ECNL U162 FSA FC ECNL U161 East Meadow SC ECNL U160 Boca United FC ECNL U16 5 Boston Breakers Academy ECNL U161 Charlotte Soccer Academy ECNL U162 Match Fit Academy ECNL U160 Maryland United FC ECNL U161 Slammers FC ECNL U162 Bethesda SC ECNL U162 MVLA ECNL U161 McLean Youth Soccer ECNL U162 FC Bucks ECNL U163 Internationals SC ECNL U160 Orlando City ECNL U164 So Cal Blues SC ECNL U16 3 Albertson SC ECNL U162 Arsenal FC ECNL U160 FC Virginia ECNL U161 Penn Fusion SA ECNL U163 FC Stars of Massachusetts ECNL U161 Mustang SC ECNL U16 0 World Class FC ECNL U161 Birmingham United ECNL U160 PDA ECNL U160 SC Del Sol ECNL U164 Connecticut FC ECNL U161 Heat FC ECNL U160 FC Boston Scorpions ECNL U161 Michigan Hawks ECNL U160 Eagles Soccer Club ECNL U161 Continental FC ECNL U16
Sunday Non-PDA results4 DAVIDSONVILLE DYNAMITE2 HOLMDEL F.C. NJX CREW 0 HARFORD FC UNITED THUNDER 01/020 READING RAGE '01 MORGAN5 PA CLASSICS ACADEMY '011 MIDDLETOWN SC FUSION BLACK4 HFC READY 20013 CAPITAL UNITED SC BLUE FORCE 2 FC COPA ACADEMY G01 BLACK1 SYRACUSE DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY SDA 2001 ORANGE3 BEACH FC 01G RED0 NORTHERN STEEL ECLIPSE5 LOUDOUN SOCCER 01G RED1 GPS VT GENESIS FC ACADEMY4 SJEB RUSH 01 GIRLS PREMIER WHITE2 UPPER 90 FURY1 FC BERNA LEGACY 01G0 YANKEE UNITED F.C. FLASH NPL-010 ARLINGTON SA 2001 GIRLS RED0 SAC PREMIER BLUE3 NJ CRUSH FC STORM NPL 0 PENNS FOREST F.C. REVOLUTION 1 PENN LEGACY 01 BLACK F160 LTSC 2001 STRIKERS (PURPLE)
Sunday ECNL @ PDA3 FC Stars of Massachusetts ECNL U161 Ohio Premier ECNL U160 Washington Premier ECNL U160 Connecticut FC ECNL U16 1 Boston Breakers Academy ECNL U160 McLean Youth Soccer ECNL U163 Eclipse Select SC ECNL U161 Albertson SC ECNL U16 2 Match Fit Academy ECNL U161 Jacksonville FC ECNL U16 1 Birmingham United ECNL U163 East Meadow SC ECNL U162 FC Bucks ECNL U161 Tampa Bay United ECNL U161 Mustang SC ECNL U162 PDA ECNL U161 World Class FC ECNL U160 Seattle Reign ECNL U16 1 FC Boston Scorpions ECNL U162 Colorado Rush ECNL U160 Maryland United FC ECNL U164 Continental FC ECNL U162 Penn Fusion SA ECNL U160 Weston FC ECNL U161 San Diego Surf ECNL U161 Bethesda SC ECNL U16 1 FC Virginia ECNL U160 Real So Cal ECNL U16
Sunday Non-ECNL @ PDA1 FC Stars NPL 20010 Century United - Century V 01 Gold0 Bayside FC Bolts - NPL 20012 PDA North US Club U16 - Hornets - NPL3 Oakwood Soccer Club - G162 Woolwich Youth Soccer Club - Woolwich Wolfpack U16 0 Penn Fusion SA - NPL 20012 Premier Soccer Club - Strikers1 Braddock Road Youth Club Elite Academy 01/021 Cincinnati United Premier - CUP Gold 010 NJ Stallions Academy - Freedom NPL0 SJEB Rush - U16 01 Girls Academy 2 SUSA - SUSA ISA NPL G012 PDA South US Club U16 - Madrid - NPL2 Match Fit Academy - 2001 NE NPL0 Ohio Elite Soccer Academy - ACADEMY U16 0 CFC United U16 NPL2 Pittsburgh Riverhounds - U16 Girls 1 NYSCE 2001 Sapphire0 NEFC - NEFC 2001 Girls NPL1 STA - MUSC 2001G NPL1 Massapequa Soccer Club - NPL 01 Cosmos2 NJ Wildcats - Fury-NPL2 FC Frederick - FCF '010 World Class FC '01 NPL3 Fury Soccer Club - Athletica5 global premier soccer - 2001 NPL0 Albertson Fury U16 NPL 01 1 FC Boston Scorpions - FC Boston Scorpions 2001 NPL1 PDA Shore US Club U16 - Fusion1 STA - MUSC 2001G NPL1 NYSCE 2001 Sapphire2Massapequa Soccer Club - NPL 01 Cosmos2 NEFC - NEFC 2001 Girls NPL 2 Manhattan Soccer Club - Pride5 NJ Elite - Flames 3 Maryland United FC 2001 CCL0 Smithtown Crimson Tide2 FC Bucks NPL U160 FSA FC NPL U16
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May 26, 2017 at 4:20 PM I read your post a few times trying to figure out your point, actually May 26, 2017 at 6:46 PM got the point a bit more. If a player is not currently in conversations with college coaches and have some idea if there is interest they need to be able to "showcase" their abilities. Going into Jr. year on a new team with limited playing time does not help your cause. Yes attending ID camps may help but I know that a college coach want's to see players in their natural game setting. Is your daughter's goal to play NT?
Nice showing this past weekend for classics teams all around.
Where did they play? Didn't see them at PDA.
16s at Delco and 15s at Columbia
One would expect Classics to do well playing against community based town teams at Delco. This isn't a knock on PAC, but to think you should get any other other result other than a win is silly and the results were not convincing at all. Better hope this isn’t the roster going forward into the GDA.
10:06 typical elitist replyWere you there?
16's won the top bracket at Delco. Town teams? Not quite. Maybe not PDA level but relax on the hate. 15's won top bracket at Columbia beating Loudon 4-0 who came into the final with 13 GF and only 1 GA.
Did you expect a different repsonse? "Great weekend for PA classics" in, with all due respect, a second tier tournament, and you wanted every to say "wow they are fantastic" "congrats", etc...? You got essentially what everyone always gets when they blow their own horn, you got criticism. Warranted or not it's waht everyone gets. And if you expected different then who's fault is that?
Getting on here at lunch and I must chime in. Regarding last poster 12:15...So you're saying the maturity level on here is such that if a team is happy about results and post them, they will automatically be met with immature, low self image and self confidence posts?
PAC 15's at DELCO went winless, GA 14, GF 2. Maybe B team playing in top bracket?
15s A was at Columbia, not Delco
Yes I am saying that is the typical response. Especially if you are happy about wins in a second tier tournament. I am not suggesting it is the correct response to someone happy about their results.
And you 12:49, a little passive aggressive with your repeating "2nd tier" tournament in your posts. trying to disguise your comment as being harmless but love repeating that don't you?
Ouch, did I touch a nerve? Ok it was a top notch, supreme quality tournament with all national/D1 calibre kids. Feel better?My point was not to offend your snowflake feelings but to point out that people on here generally do not react well to bragging about winning anything out side of the top tournaments. Even then you are probably looking at receiving some abuse, called "coach", etc...
Most men with small hands have a difficult time congratulating another team.Not always about you, PDA parent :)Is that better? Oh and congrats to your daughter's top pick for NT and going to...wait for it...Duke or NC?Trying to learn some passive aggressive comments and adding the smiley face is a good disguise no?. I'll do better next time.
Why is it a second tier tournament? I no longer believe any of the tournament college lists are accurate. NORCO from CA was at PDA, Delco and Columbia this weekend impressive for a CA school.All you can do as a player - is play in the tournaments your team is playing in and all your team can do is apply to the tournaments they want to play at.None of that is in the players or parents control.The player can just emails the schools attend their clinics and show they are technical, a good team player and they make the right decisions, the rest is out of their hands.
PAC Academy u15 were top bracket at Columbia. The B (elite) team was at Delco.
Here is the scoop, if your daughter is U16 and still looking for coaches to come watch her play at a showcase she needs to be playing. Coaches are able to discern if a player that reaches out to them is worth a look if they are attending a showcase/tournament. At u16 whether you were at PDA this weekend or Delco if you are worthy of a look a coach from your desired school would be there. Most Colleges send multiple "scouts" for this weekend to the east coast. Maybe the head coach goes to PDA and an assistant goes to Delco, they may even swap days. They are scouting specific players and have 3 days to do so, in a 8am-5pm day they can watch at least 10 halves of soccer, between 2 coaches that's 20 matches a day (if they are hustling) so lets say they watch 10 matches a day (1/2's) to scout 8 specific players (2018, 2019, 2020) they have some walking around time to catch a few matches where they may see someone that catches their eye. If your daughter is a 2018 she should be into discussions with coaches an know who is coming, if she is a 2019 she should at least recognize a school attending at least 1 of her weekend games. This crap about all D1 Power 5 Elite program coaches only going to PDA is a lie told by PDA/ECNL parents to feel good about themselves. BTW my daughter was at neither this weekend, she is committed and did so without the help of the ECNL Marketing machine. They are great on Social Media. It seems like their purpose is to sell swag, charge for stretching sessions and exploit their followers. Basically a pyramid scheme.
1:15 so you think the coaches on some of the tourney lists (i.e., PDA) were just fluff? Then, you were not there. I'm not trying to boost that particular tournament; not at all. But there is a reason some are harder to get into than others.
Beware of the New CoachA word of warning as this season ends and the new season starts. If through tryouts your daughter was fortunate enough to make the top team at her club (DA/ECNL) and doubly fortunate to maintain her coach have a great season. But for those of you who will have daughter's playing for a new coach, who came from another club, and players followed be aware of the coaches loyalty to those players. They followed him because he made them aware of his move and locked them in prior to tryouts. Also within the club be able to read the room, if your daughter is added to a roster where a majority of the players were teammates and played under the coach in previous seasons and your daughter is an add there could be an adjustment to her perceived role on the team.
1:54 - Delco was the place to be only several years ago. It still is for guys. But, having played at both locations, Delco is a good tourney, but PDA is the better for girls. It just is. And, I'm not a PDA parent or ECNL rah rah. Even Delco (Continental) girls go to PDA. They could attend a mandatory ECNL showcase to get in their 2 at another one and then attend their own tournament. They don't. Just pointing out the obvious.
2:06 PM Not saying PDA list is fluff, but it is not a far trip to head to Delco games for a top 2019 prospect if they happen to be playing for a non-ECNL team. Remember not all coaches "announce" their attendance if they want to be a bit anonymous.
@1:14Do you understand English? The point is if you come on here bragging about your great weekend, people are going critcize you especially if it is in a second tier tournament. DELCO is a second tier tournament. That's not an insult, it's more or less fact. If most of the top level of teams go to tournament A and the next best go to tournament B, tournament B is a second tier tournament. My comments are not passive nor agressive but your skin is very thin. I am not saying your child is bad, or you had a choice or anything beyond the FACTS. I'm not here to make you feel good about your daughter or yourself, I am stating facts. If you come on here and rah rah for a club that won a second tier tournamnet you will get criticized. That was my point. And I was not the one criticizing I'm just always surprised when people like you are surprised.And what makes you think I am a PDA parent? There were 5+ local (less than 2 hours commute) ECNL teams. Because PDA is a top tournament where all the head coaches go, I am a PDA parent. I am sorry you are so sensitive about your child and their team. If you want to make this personal I am happy to start bashing but I would prefer not to. :)
2:11 - 1st 2:06 post here. I agree that is the hope, but having attended both. It's just not the reality, unfortunately. My kid's old coach told us that one too. PDA has too many sites to cover, but they are at least in close proximity to each other. Delco does, too, but not all are close to each other let alone coming from N Jersey in the summer. Most schools go where you get more bang for your buck.
Continuing - I have heard that many top prospects try to get onto an ECNL team as a discovery player to get to PDA tourney or they may guest for another attending. As someone mentioned, it's about being seen.
That is true but most only do that for players they are trying to lure over.
2:11 - that is true. Not all coaches announce. I saw some not on the list. We happened to be at the PDA tourney. The list is a guide not an all inclusive.
2:41 - and more importantly, want to be part of that particular team. It's a two way street; mutual thing. Top prospects usually have no problem finding a spot.
PDA is a good tournament for discovery players it also occurs after tryouts and teams for next year are being formed. Usually those who are dropped from the roster for next year drop off the team before the tournament freeing-up spots for the discovery or new players to attend. I would not see any pure guests being invited and taking minutes from a rostered player. Last year with the age change my daughter's team dropped about 5 players, most of which left the team after the rosters for 2017 were announced. Still had PDA and Nationals to play so the offer was made to the new joiners to attend. Made for an interesting month.
Discovery = Guest player than can play in league games up to 2 per team in a year, correct? Discovery players still train/play with their main club.Amazing, that the top of the pyramid league clubs still use guest players.Don't worry PAC you get to play PDA, MF, WC, Stars and Breakers this year at least Cedar Stars should give a competitive game and of course the rivalry game with PF. This should also put the PAC events on the map.Where is PAC playing their non-GDA team? IS PF still in the NorthEast NPL since they are not ECNL anymore?
4:06 - our experience with discovery play is coming in from an area where there is or was no ECNL (will be next year). A couple of girls on daughter's friends team were traveling from around Buffalo area to play in philly area. They were considered discovery players. This soccer is serious stuff.
D-I college coaches can't see you play at Delco because they are not at Delco! This is nothing new at all. FCD Players Cup has always been about age groups U14 and younger. Our 2001 ECNL team college coach list @ ECNL NJ (PDA)44 coaches came to see us play on Sat.61 coaches came to see us on Sun23 coaches came to see us play on Mon (in the rain)Almost all the coaches are D-1 watching 2019-20 grads.There is no doubt that local 2001 ECNL teams from PDA, Continental, PF, FC Bucks all had similar numbers. We had higher numbers at PHX and at Sanford and all the other ECNL teams playing were also getting those numbers too. A parent or manager lists the coaches attending the games after giving them a player profile. The sidelines are thick with coaches. I am sure things will change after the DA comes into play, but for those of you thinking the coaches are not at these ECNL events you are crazy.
PDA Splash Beardsley up to his old tricks. Adds new players after the season is over because he couldn't coach the ones he had. He is so bad that his best player from the WNT couldn't stand him and left. Could be a quick exit from the playoffs once again. Hang in there Splash he will be someone else's problem next year. Those poor kids. He can't coach the Splash. Good luck to the players who contributed all year and will be replaced in the playoffs by complete strangers.
And families flock to this? That's crazy. Where did YNT player go?
11:15am PAC 01’s played Middletown SC, Harleysville and Harford. Those three teams are absolutely community based travel clubs or what would be considered town teams. Oh, a give away could be the fact they are named after their towns. Two of the three teams have paid trainers, but Dad’s coach the games. If you have a roster that is going to make up a DA level program and you know you are playing in a lower level tournament, not a showcase, why not play them up in the 2000 age group?? Playing at the Y against each other would have been of equal value. There is nothing wrong with town teams either. I have two kids playing at a town club. If you didn’t realize your post was an embarrassment well now you know. Future DA teams don't enter a town team division. This has nothing to do with being an elitist, facts are facts.
Agreed. On the other side of the pond the town teams have just a bit more meaning, Man U, Chelsea, Liverpool, etc.
6:23 Why would US Soccer allow? Aren't they involved in this in some fashion now? We are talking about mid July the GDA kicks off my understanding.
All lies 6:21. Don't take the bait.
YNT didn't leave because of coach. If that's the spin it's not true. And as for adding players, one field player from MF was added after MF booted her from the team because she made PDA GDA. So instead of leaving a 16 yo hanging they stepped up and gave her a spot so she could play in playoffs. Other player is a keeper added after the other keeper tore an ACL. Who takes one keeper to playoffs? This
Good of you to provide some insight. You know how it is on this and the sidelines w/ communication - Tele graph; Tele phone; Tell a soccer parent.
Oh and due to MF tactics they lost another back to PDA. Is there ever a year this team finishes together in one piece? They keep the thieves on the teams though
10:00PM people have choices. IMO, people should finish out a season and then move on, as well as clubs shouldn't take kids that leave another club in the middle of the season.
@6:23Great input!! Seems like you spent some time studying the games, the coaches. Where did they eat lunch on Sunday?After reading your post I shot off an email to the following teams to let them know that they should change their name bc they are now considered town teams...which I guess is a bad thing for them!McLean, Boston Breakers, Council Rock, Bethesda, South Shore, Greater Binghamton, Oakwood, Princeton etc....I was told by some friends that kids get on here and read the blog. Thanks for clarifying this for me. Are you 6th or 7th grade?If someone posts a congratulatory message to their club and your first reaction is a disparaging one or trying to point out something negative, it is very sad.But as I read this blog, it's obvious the immaturity and foolishness of most posters.Have a great day pointing out the bad in others to make you feel better!!Enjoy the middle school dance tonight!
8:30 No disrespect with this post. But we should call this the no spin blog.You said instead of leaving a 16 yo hanging they instead disrespected their own players who PAID for the season. Now another player doesn't dress for a game. I agree there should be no player movement at the end of the season. All this shows is that the club/team is not about development and never was.You also said who takes one keeper to Playoffs. Isn't this the same club with 4 teams at an age group? I doubt they didn't have enough goalies. All this does is support the claims of other posters that B and C teams at these clubs are nothing more than a paycheck and the only reason they can treat kids like this is because the parents allow it.Parents need to take a step back - it's never about development at the top clubs it's about winning and always was and always will be they just don't call it GS point chasing because they have a league brand to hid behind ECNL or the new GDA. Girls soccer is a $$$ machine and yes I am a fool who contributes to this machine.10:14 I agree 100% but we will never see that happen.Just my 2 cents
Seriously?You think it makes sense to take 1 GK to champions league when there are others in the wings. yes absolutely they should take the NPL GK to champions league and i dont even think that they are "depriving" the NPL team of a second GK. Ask the GK parents if they are happy to be going to Chicago? Isn't this a good example contradicting what everyone complains about? COmplaint: they never move kids up within their pyramid despite promises of potetial to play for the "A" team. Well here they are doing just that and there are complaints again. Let's face it no matter what they do PDA will be criticized. Its sport on this site. Carry-on...BTW there is more than one YNT player on Splash.
8:45 Seriously? That's not what I said. I said the club has 4 teams at an age group with a minimum of 4 goalies per age group. They didn't need to bring in another is what I am saying. The comment was "Other player is a keeper added after the other keeper tore an ACL. Who takes one keeper to playoffs?" This comment followed "MF booted her from the team because she made PDA GDA".No one said they should go with 1 goalie, NO spin blog. I agree with your comment NPL goalie or Shore goalie should be used as backup.Added to me = player from outside the club.
At one point that group had 3 on the YNTs. One however is very well known and has made every round over the past two years. I assume she is the one who left? I know she is going to the DA, but I am not sure why that would require her to leave now. Very good player obviously.BTW, with most top clubs they bring the kid up who can help the most. That may be a younger kid, or in this case the NPL goalie. If there is one thing PDA has, it's a lot of very good goalies.
9:41 just a quick correction there are zero players on the u17 YNT in CA now from PDA.U.S. U-17 Women’s National Team Roster by Position: GOALKEEPERS (3):1 Mustang SC1 Spokane Sounders1 IMG AcademyDEFENDERS (7):1 FC Stars of Mass1 CASL1 Bethesda SC1 Tophat SC1 So Cal Blues1 Concord Fire1 Slammers FCMIDFIELDERS (6): 1 Eclipse Select SC1 Concord Fire1 Tophat SC1 San Diego Surf1 De Anza Force1 CASLFORWARDS (8): 1 IMG Academy1 Richmond United1 Honolulu Bulls SC1 JFC Storm1 FC Stars of Mass1 Dallas Kicks SC1 FC Dallas1 Eclipse Select SC
Did she actually leave? Because word these past few days is she is staying put at PDA.
9:41 AM Does PDA have a specific goalie trainer, are they exclusive to PDA or do they offer training outside of the club? Asking as my daughter is a keeper and I am looking for solid training. We were going to a reputable trainer but schedules never seem to work.
10:07Likely a negotiationOne academy team (rumored to be getting said player) is known to have $$$$$.Players need to be careful - NCAA eligibility and $$ can be a tricky thing.
Okay I know this is must be a NJ thing, but can someone shed some light for the rest of us. If not shouldn't you guys behaving this conversation in private?
10:07 there is no NCAA eligibility issue with a kid getting money to play DA.
11:15What's your definition of "getting money"?There's a difference...
11:14If PDA is the topic, everyone should want to know...hahaha
11:14 supposedly pda ynt player is moving to cedar stars. Now word is she may be changing her mind. A lot of money behind Cedar Stars and rumors that the money goes beyond the guidelines. If ever proven NCAA eligibility is only one of the issues. I'm not a pda parent but not sure why make that particular move
LOL...private conversation...the last 2 months have been nothing but PF and PAC talk...
Speaking of which....did you hear PF lost 9-0 in CA and PAC teams tore it up this past weekend?? :)
@8:11amIt's not a matter of disrespect, it's about a kid that would be done because of choice she made for next season. I don't know her but I assume she would have finished out her obligation to the team. Will other kids get a little less time, obviously yes, but the kid that got punted would get zero. I'm not a fan of current kids getting less time but it was the right thing to do. Some kids sit at these showcases because they are committed already giving more time to those who are still out there without a commitment. Why do the uncommitted kids get this unfair advantage? Because they prob get more time over the year and frankly it's the right thing to do.Keeper I agree with. If you sell potential promotion you should back it up. Maybe they did but I cannot say for sure. I'm guessing they didn't. B & C teams are what they are and unfortunately most of the time those kids get forgotten once they get placed there. I think PDA has done as good as a job as any promoting players up from the B/south teams. As for being just about the money, I am sure that is a large part but I also think every year a group of talented kids with potential were leaving for other teams and I think they wanted to retain some of that talent. In most youth sports the lower levels subsidize the top level. Soccer is no different because it's the top teams that draws new kids. I just don't see what is wrong with that.All about winning comments are always from bitter parents who thought their kid would be a starter and things didn't play out that way and now it's about development. No way anyone comes to PDA thinking it is going to be equal playing time, not about winning, etc... NO WAY. If you go to any seriously competitive club because you believe play time will be equal and everything will be fair then yeah, I agree, you are a fool. Guaranteed no parent is crying for the bench players when their kid is a starter.And why cant it be about both winning and development? Vast majority of development is from practice of which no one sits. It's why most youth sports suggest a 3-1 practice vs game schedule.Your only valid point is calling kids up from the B team. The rest is bitterness. I am defending reality here not any particular club.
PDA coach does everything wrong. He absolutely made his YNT player quit. She couldn't stand him any more. He also adds players which is unfair to his current roster. If you add them now, they shouldn't roster until next year. He is the worst coach in the ECNL by far. That's why he lost this team.
If he lost the team why isn't she staying? This gets more and more weird
wait..is this the same YNT player that has been on literally every high level team in NJ?now slick is taking the show to Cedar Stars?
11:50 it's about one kid not on the team making a CHOICE?, It was her choice not the current team's - will they get money back now since they will play less and this girl not on the roster plays for free? I doubt it. The right thing to do by who, the player on another team that paid her tuition to another club? The right thing to do was for that player to wait until next season. Uncommitted kids get an advantage - damn right they do they paid and trained everyday making those kids that got their scholarships better, so when their time comes damn right it's fair. Isn't that what PDA preaches great training sessions with the best players? Again showing their true colors all about the money and never about development. Big rosters equals more $$$ not better training since it's unfair for them to have this advantage when their time comes. Just disagree with you on this one.Not wrong that they draw the best players every year,wrong that they take money from players and before they get their full season that they paid for they get a new wrinkle thrown in -that is a problem with me. Money doesn't grow on a tree,but that's just my opinion.I'm not bitter, if it wasn't about winning why bring in the new players with 2 months left in the season? No one said anything about equal playing time, but when you have a roster of 22 you wait for the starters to get their offers so they play less for the others to play more big difference pal. Good that we agree on something that I'm a fool and that no starter is crying for the bench player, but it's a little different when we are talking about a player not on the team all season and for the last 2 months they are, no?It can be about winning and development with the roster for that season that paid to be developed. For me you roster 22 players those are the players you are committed to for that season the players that develop to win not players from another club.
To the question about Goalie Training. Lot's of good ones in NJ. For my kid there would be one choice. Mark Williams, WST in Whippany.
9:41 - slow golf clap. who cares about the amount of YNT's on the team or were on the team. I'll toss you an atta boy if that is what you want. The core discussion was about using other kids within the club for openings vs. bringing in kids developed elsewhere. It always comes back to here, let me get my team/kid's/club's accolades out there which is very rarely the real discussion subject matter.
What exactly does he do wrong? How did he make her quit? What couldn't she stand? I mean was he rude to her? Did he bench her unfairly? These are pretty open accusations with no substance behind them.Adding players: goalie was needed, regardless of where she came from. Field player is not a starter so not logging huge minutes.
12:34 - i agree about getting kids looks that are not committed yet. That is, allegedly, the purpose of the clubs essentially, right? But, what about the kids that are not getting it even at the end of the year? Still play them? Or, limit their game time? Relegate them? This time of the year, it's about finishing the season and focusing on post season. Should the business ignore the obvious and still play these kids or limit their playing time, if they see the field at all, and put it in the hands of the others that have also worked hard all year to reach their postseason? Where do you draw the line?Just throwing out there.
1:35 Only she knows those answers to those questions - ask her parents.It's not important if the field player starts or comes off the bench they are taking minutes away from someone who paid. Look if they communicated this to the parents up front - we might add players for the last 2 months of the season that will take minutes away from players and if the players choose to still be there then it is what it is - if they don't tell the parents up front then that is an issue, no? 1:39 What about the kids not getting looks, who will know the answer to that question? If teams are getting 100 coaches per weekend how in the world can you tell who they are there to see, don't forget we are talking freshman and sophomores plenty of time for schools to still shop around. I always said ECNL clubs play with a small bench, so if you only play 14 or 15 kids why roster 22 that's an extra $15,000, so it's never about the kids? Just smoke in mirrors right? Well at least that's the way this conversation is looking like to me.
I agree with 1:39@12:34First if all it is about winning and development. It's never not been about winning. From what I am told she accepted a position for next year's PDA GDA and MF booted her. That's her choice for NEXT SEASON but she didn't deserve to get kicked with 2 months remaining in the season and to miss playoffs if she intended to play out the remainder of the season. So a compassionate add per se but I can see your point. Paid/trained? So the committed kids didn't pay or train hard and that didn't make the other kids better? There is a rational argument that the better players are providing more benefit than they are receiving in return (ie. playing against better makes you better). Take away their playing time because they are good and colleges wanted them earlier than others? Doesn't seem fair, but it is the right thing to do in showcases. You talk about development, that's what practices are for. If they are rostering more than 22-24 I agree that it becomes about the money. Again, if it were her choice to leave before season finished that's her issue and should not impact the new team. I would not make concessions for her. I do not believe this was the case. I can see both sides though. It does suck when you see your child take a back seat all year then again to a new player. I can sympathize with you on that point.
2:47 - you roster 22 because it's called injuries and unexpected events or expected events that come up for families (say a sibling gets married, etc.). And, some kids that may have started strong but maxed out as far as competition/expectation/development. So, you always have a squad and quality reserves. Have to plan for the big picture not the immediate need. If you are willing to pay knowing what is going on; that your kid isn't at top or mid of roster, why is that smoking mirrors? This is when the rose colored glasses need to come off.
3:04 i agree. don't take a spot at end of roster and complain about it later.
I thought 12-16 were subs, the rest are so you could run game situations. 8v8 or 11v11 and anything more was a money grab.
3:30 - my reading of Rule 3.9 in ECNL Competition Rules allows up to a maximum of 7 per half; with limitations on re-entry after already playing and various injuries/subs not counting toward overall number. That's 18 kids that can play in any game. So, 4 kids (if rostering 22 and everyone available/not injured); don't suit up but you rotate games. How's this a money grab?
2:49 I don't care either way.My point is the player made a choice. If her current club said see you - she gets a mini-vacation before the start of the new season with the GDA team. I wouldn't say compassionate since players on the current team were kicked to the curb. All about Winning plain and simple. It's the same argument with illegal aliens, you are in this country illegally you have no rights. But yet we turn this into something it isn't. 3:04 okay quality reserves right? Then why bring in someone from the outside if the team has quality already?You are willing to pay so you kid can compete vs the girls on the roster not add on girls that my friend is smoke and mirrors - we say the roster is quality and needed for injuries so we take an additional $15,000 only to turn around and say hey you know what you were getting we can add players anytime we want and they play for free or should i say we will use a portion of that $15,000 you already paid for this player to play instead of your kids. So which is it? 2:49 and 3:04 you guys have everything covered but it can't be both or maybe in your world it can.Sorry I just disagree - player made a choice and know needs to live with that choice
3:50 - and her choice was the prior team who tossed her aside, allegedly (i certainly have no idea, but am basing on the posts). So, should she join a USYS team and ask another ECNL team to be a discovery player instead? Was she supposed to not play? Everyone is forgetting that there had to be a formal agreement made for an ECNL rostered player to continue in season (and season isn't over until June/July) on another club's roster. Both teams have to approve. And from what I have been told, other teams on both clubs did some mutual roster shifting with kids. So, there's that....
3:58 I get all of that. and the answer is yes. yes Not play, it was her choice to tryout for another team. Her current team could have kept her on the roster and not dressed her, but I'm sure there would have been a ton of negative press on this board for that.No one is forgetting anything. I never said anything illegal happened. I just said a team had a roster of 22 players already. If games are so important and the team only rosters 15 players they had 3 extras in a normal world but this team decided to add more players knowing that those players are nothing more than practice players. I'm sure they are selling playing time is earned at practice when it's time to collect a check. But this is not what's happening. they are just practice players first to be replaced at tryout season if a new flavor comes along who cares that the season isn't over yet. We can do what we want just look at our brand if you don't like it hit the road there is no shortage of players we can do this to. This is still wrong just the way I see it.
Well, I think that is crazy. She didn't give up the emblem. MF did. When she accepted her spot with MF, they had a GDA. So, had they kept it, she would have stayed. I have a problem when clubs try to hold back a player from bettering herself. She tried out and made another team to better herself. That didn't mean she wasn't finishing out the season. The other club made that happen. Nothing is saying she is getting a tremendous amount of playing time. She has to earn it. And, kids will have to rotate; that were already rotating. On that note, if the desire to have those three letters on their shirt means more than playing to the parents of the end of the bench kids and you are still there, then buckle in. You paid for this ride and kept your kids there.
4:59 you are obviously colse to this situation so I will stop. I disagree with what you are saying. If this team is as good as many posters have said on this board I'm guessing these players have the goods just don't have the trust of the coach - which goes back to the original post.I just say one thing I learned on the streets - what they do with you they will do to you if it benefits them.
6:22 - I appreciate your consideration, but actually, i'm not at all close to this particular situation. I only pointing out that MF had a GDA emblem and gave it back. It was probably how they kept some kids from leaving at the end of the prior season. But, they decided to give it back. They worked out the numbers and didn't want to give up the ECNL cash cow. I get it as others had to pick too. It is a business. And, she or her parents don't have a part in the business end. They just mail in their monthly payments. But, when they, the ones making money, gave back the emblem, the lure, then they should be okay with kids who desired to play for the crest leaving at the end of the season. Clearly, they weren't. That part stinks. As I said, a coach should never keep a kid from achieving his/her dream. They should assist. Otherwise, they were really not in it for the success of the kids. And, I hear ya about the other part of it. But, unfortunately, that is how it works when you have a sport that somehow schedules its try outs for the next season while the current season is still underway and worse heading into the playoffs. Stupid. I hope it all works out for all of them; kid, current team; prior team.
I was recently informed of this blog. Spent a while reading through much of the discussion. We've always known how lucky we are, being where we are.... same team since U8. However, after reading through all of this, now I know our soccer experience has been a complete miracle. (Not in response to any specific comments) Peace. ~non ECNL, Region 1 League, National League parent.
Congrats to you/your team on many levels. THAT is a soccer milestone from what I am reading as well. Peace back.
I scoff at this notion that Match Fit simply "axed" this player for trying out with PDA.I cant see why they wouldnt want this player to continue and help them with their playoff run.Another scenario is likely at play here. Player likely WANTED her release to play with the new team - to get the additional 2 months of acclamation.
Just like some employers, once you say you are leaving they show you to the door. Some do, some don't. Scoff all you want, it's what happened.
In my experience stronger teams want them out so they don't poison the team. Sometimes less competitive teams that are short on players will ask them to stay. But very often the player's heart isn't in it. And based on timing of tryouts and more importantly when rosters are set there is no way to keep it quiet until the season is over. Again everyone wants to blame the individuals. It's the system
I say it isnt what happened 12:08
12:17It IS the individuals - sorry to disagreeCommitment to the team says you play it out.Commitment to the player says you allow her to play it out.
It's a free market system either way. The problem is with tryouts taking place before the end of the season. The past 2 years had milestone events that opened up tryouts more than normal. There are usually disgruntled players who are unhappy with playing time or see an opportunity with a higher ranked team in a better league. The last two years created a heightened dynamic that saw an opportunity for teams to cut players and players to move to a better situation. The results last year were some good players left teams, some good players were cut loose to make room for coaches decisions and this year was the promise of DA greatness. You cannot fault a dedicated player who want's to play at the highest (perceived) level available and if they feel the current club/team cannot provide that opportunity that is there choice. I think the system sucks however where the roster selected after tryouts is malleable through a month before playoffs. Teams should not be able to add players without a few narrow exceptions until after the playoffs (even if you are not participating). The exceptions would be a player moving into the area, a direct 1 for 1 transfer or transferring players within the club. If a player wants to leave mid season they can chose to do so but cannot play for another team in the same division. Tryouts are held in July.
I agree 12:43 - we are not talking about sitting an entire season - it's 2 months (June,July) the same thing as your team missing out on the post season.12:17 so you are saying they should have kept her and not dress her but make her travel to games and pay for hotels? Very interesting. Besides, if the team asked her to leave before the season was over some type of a refund is due since they paid for the entire season. Since I heard no complaints about being short changed -I don't buy that the player was asked to leave more like she asked to be released like the previous poster said.
12:57 PM Similar situation with my daughter. After tryouts my daughter decided that it was in her best interest not to continue with her team (abusive coach whose actions we were not fully aware of until right before tryouts for the next year). She attended tryouts with other clubs and decided to accept a spot with one. The club whether to roll it under the carpet or not raise issues happily released her and let her start with her new team. We actually received a check after the season as we had paid through the end of the year. The coach was moved to a younger team and then eventually to the boys side.
12:57!! 12:17 here. I said none of those things AT ALL. Maybe you are responding to the wrong time????
My bad 12:17, i was responding to 12:29
BTW, lots of player leave MFA and PDA each year for a variety of reasons. I do not know this players situation at all, but I highly doubt the club booted her. My guess is she asked to be released and they obliged.
Seems like she was very good. Clubs, even high level ones, aren't happy with high level players go to another high level club. It's kind of a slap in the face. It's the mid to lower level ones that come and go without any backlash, normally. That has been my experience anyway.
Nothing at all unusual about a player not being able to continue with a team once they decide to move to another team. Happened last year and this year to my kid's team. From what I've heard, most college coaches are fine with this approach as they would treat a player who intends to transfer the same way.
So the word on the field is she let MF know she was leaving next year for PDA GDA and they told she could leave now. This isn't a guess but it is secondhand word of mouth so... People who guess are generally wrong.Very good would depend on your definition and in relation to what is already there I would think.
3;57 - hahahaha second hand word of mouth = guess; hearsay...normally not reliable.
continuing and she made PDA's GDA. So, there's that as far as quality of player.
2:51 - the issue isn't that she couldn't according to the rules continue with her original team. It's they didn't want her to stay.
@2:51 - we know this. Her team released her; otherwise she would not have been able to join the next team. They said no thanks. If they didnt' want her to go or join next team, the could have held her player card. Apparently, that didn't happen.
3:57true. very good is subjective; however, isn't it the parents of the kids at the end of the bench b&complaining about potential lost playing time? Sometimes you read the tea leaves.
I've said it before and will say it again. MF has released players for trying out on other teams. They also make it unbearable for the kids and intentionally place them on non ecnl rosters They are a scam and do not , in any way, have the kids development as their priority. Go talk to the parents on the sidelines. ( parents are another conversation. A handful think their child is the best and actually speak about the other kids in a very negative and demeaning fashion. An embarrassment )Moreover MF had the audicity to send emails asking not to be included on college emails. Seriously. Their initial talk to parents certainly didn't echo their actions.
Will she start on Splash?
4:53 - I disagree MF will players they think will give them a chance to win they play in the ECNL man. Anyone playing on Non-ECNL rosters well that should say what MF thinks of their level of play no guessing there.Not sure why we are talking so much about this - player asked to leave - If MF asked her to leave the kid has a play in court and would get her remaining tuition back. My guess is she asked to leave because the parents didn't want to travel and pay more money for a team they are leaving and of course lets not forget all those coaches at the ECNL playoffs.What sounds better to her new PDA team? MF kicked me to the curb or I wanted to finish the season playing for a national Title even though that means one of my new team members for 2 months will not.It is what it is - She tried out made the club - PDA saw an opportunity to add quality to their ECNL team to win a National title. You said see made the GDA team so playing for the ECNL teams is easy peasy and of course the communication to the team will be she has to earn it wink wink.This is how it looks plain and simple and should be a warning for any parents with younger kids. If they benefit the player benefits,once there is a new flavor out with the old and in with the new just read these posts.
I'm sure she'll start on splash. Coming from being captain on MF she's got tons of potential
Any idea why the Sparta club ex treasurer says otherwise? She's the last person who should offer her opinion
4:53enough already with the negative MF propogandaYou are all over all these boards trying to take down a club's reputation.The hearsay-hearer - if you will - says Match Fit said she could go now, which sounds more like an ACCOMODATION to a player who has given MF some good play over time - rather than the club "giving her the boot"
Beardsley is an f-ing jerk. Enjoy him idiots!!
Slick is still coach of gfa team?feel bad for those girls.How the hell did cedar stars get DA?Bad EDP teams,no way they can compete with other teams.Can you say Disaster!!!!
ECNL Northeast Post Season Qualification:Participation awards for everyone but 2 teams.that's a whopping 86% of the division.If it wasa true showcase everyone would play, but it's not they need to qualify. Champions League1. FC Stars of Massachusetts ECNL U162. Boston Breakers Academy ECNL U163. PDA ECNL U164. Penn Fusion SA ECNL U165. FC Bucks ECNL U16Champions League Wildcard6. Connecticut FC ECNL U16North American Cup7. Match Fit Academy ECNL U168. Albertson SC ECNL U169. World Class FC ECNL U1610. Continental FC ECNL U16Showcase11. East Meadow SC ECNL U1612. FSA FC ECNL U16Did Not Qualify13. FC Boston Scorpions ECNL U1614. WNY Flash Academy ECNL U16Complete Champions League*** future GDA18 of the 32 will either leave the ECNL or field B teams 1 *** So Cal Blues SC ECNL U162 *** FC Stars of Massachusetts ECNL U163 *** FC Dallas ECNL U164*** Tophat SC ECNL U165 McLean Youth Soccer ECNL U166 MVLA ECNL U167 *** Concorde Fire ECNL U168*** Boston Breakers Academy ECNL U169 Dallas Sting ECNL U1610 *** Penn Fusion SA ECNL U1611 *** Eclipse Select SC ECNL U1612 Washington Premier ECNL U1613 *** West Florida Flames ECNL U1614 Ohio Elite Soccer Academy ECNL U1615 Minnesota Thunder Academy ECNL U1616 *** Michigan Hawks ECNL U1617 Mustang SC ECNL U1618 *** Crossfire Premier ECNL U1619 Connecticut FC ECNL U1620 *** Real Colorado ECNL U1621 TSC Hurricane ECNL U1622 *** Solar Chelsea SC ECNL U1623 *** Real So Cal ECNL U1624 Jacksonville FC ECNL U1625 *** PDA ECNL U1626 *** West Coast FC ECNL U1627 FC Bucks ECNL U1628 Bethesda SC ECNL U1629 Ohio Premier ECNL U1630 *** Slammers FC ECNL U1631 SLSG - MO ECNL U1632 *** Charlotte Soccer Academy ECNL U16
First GDA games to kickoff the 2017-2018 season1 game per weekendSaturday, September 2 2017PA Classics U-16/17 FC Virginia U-16/17Penn Fusion Soccer Academy U-16/17 Virginia Development Academy U-16/17Sky Blue - PDA U-16/17 Washington Spirit Academy - Baltimore Armour U-16/17 Washington Spirit Academy - Virginia U-16/17 Cedar Stars Academy - Monmouth U-16/17Empire United U-16/17 New York City FC U-16/17FC Fury NY U-16/17 Oakwood Soccer Club U-16/17FC Stars U-16/17 Boston Breakers Academy U-16/17Sky Blue - NYSC U-16/17 Long Island SC U-16/17
Participation awards, if that means lots of college coaches at the games again this year. Does not make a difference about the division in terms of the college coaches. But heck, any of these ECNL are too good for USYS state cup where everyone gets to enter and you don't have to qualify. USYS= DIRT FIELDS, WEAK TEAMS AND NO COLLEGE COACHES.
8:18 so you are saying the coaches will go to the North American Cup and the Showcase games instead of the Champions League games? OkayPS. State cup is the first leg - win that then you play in the 2nd leg you know your 14 ECNL Northeast division teams would play each other for 1 spot not 12 to play in the 3rd leg the NATIONAL event. I believe they call it EARN your spot at Nationals - I thought that's what Elite National League stood for? but moving away from the 2nd level to the top levelFirst GDA games to kickoff the 2017-2018 season1 game per weekendSaturday, September 2 2017PA Classics U-16/17vs FC Virginia U-16/17aka Loudoun Soccer & FC VirginiaPenn Fusion Soccer Academy U-16/17 vs Virginia Development Academy U-16/17aka Vienna Youth Soccer, Inc. (VYS), Prince William Soccer (PWSI), Virginia Soccer Association (VSA) and Chantilly Youth Association (CYA).Sky Blue - PDA U-16/17vs Washington Spirit Academy - Baltimore Armour U-16/17Baltimore Armour aka Soccer Association of Columbia (SAC) and Pipeline Soccer Club (PSC) Washington Spirit Academy - Virginia U-16/17aka Reston Soccer Association (RSA)vs Cedar Stars Academy - Monmouth U-16/17Empire United U-16/17 vs New York City FC U-16/17aka World Class SCFC Fury NY U-16/17 vs Oakwood Soccer Club U-16/17FC Stars U-16/17 vs Boston Breakers Academy U-16/17Sky Blue - NYSC U-16/17 vs Long Island SC U-16/17aka Massapequa SC
8:18 one more thing - Looking at the 19/20U Girls only 12 teams (less than the North East Division of the ECNL) - Only listed D1 schools I think these kids did good for themselves playing in state cups to EARN spots in the national league Note: these are the commitments reported to US Youth Soccer and may not be complete.As the current top of the pyramid of course ECNL clubs did well with recruiting. Let's see how the stats compare when PDA, SoCal, PennFusion and others with a *** from my previous post count towards the GDA and not ECNL next season.But if it makes you feel better they play on dirt fields in front of no colleges.Even though they are going to the below schools.5 Kennesaw State4 NC State4 Akron4 Long Beach State3 Washington State3 UNC Charlotte3 Maryland3 Texas State2 Texas A&M - Corpus Christi2 Old Dominion2 Purdue2 UNC Wilmington2 UMBC2 Vanderbilt2 Villanova1 Stanford1 Penn1 Princeton1 Harvard1 Clemson1 Virginia Tech1 Virginia1 UNC Chapel Hill1 Ohio State1 George Mason1 Longwood1 Miami (Ohio)1 IPFW1 Florida1 Providence1 Towson1 St. John's1 UNC Greensboro1 Northwestern1 UC Santa Barbara1 University of California - Berkeley1 BYU1 Utah1 New Mexico1 Minnesota - Twin Cities1 Texas1 Oregon1 Butler1 Cincinnati1 High Point University1 University of Hawaii Manoa 1 University of the Pacific1 Loyola Marymount University1 Austin Peay1 Delaware1 Davidson1 Marshall1 DePaul1 Ball State1 Illinois1 Illinois State1 Drexel1 Mercer1 Loyola (MD)
Where did the GDA schedule come from? I can't find it anywhere.
11:06 - re GDA schedule, each team has them. Not sure if publicly posted, yet. May still be working out some games. We saw ours at meeting about a month ago when we saw showcase early December and nothing end of December.
8:47 - that's a lot of time organizing that info. Thank you.
8:18 - yes, coaches DO show up for NA Cup and Showcase. They are in same location; same fields, different times. You have no idea what you are spewing. Maybe get informed first. Not trying to spin ECNL, the league, at all. It is what it is. And, it will be what it will be once GDA kicks in. But, right now, it's the top of the tier. And, those that are uninformed (as I was at one time, too) should get informed before throwing out baseless statements.
Oh and you are using the NE Conference as your point, only. You must know it is one of the toughest in the league. PDA and Stars, last year U16, were the semi and finalists in Champions League.
12:42 - yes, that's two in the final four in Champs League from the same conference/region.
12:39 what I'm spewing exactly? You didn't like that I said the Champions League is going to have more coaches at their games then the below?North American Cup7. Match Fit Academy ECNL U168. Albertson SC ECNL U169. World Class FC ECNL U1610. Continental FC ECNL U16Showcase11. East Meadow SC ECNL U1612. FSA FC ECNL U16Did I lie that 86% of the teams from the NorthEast qualified for something? Did I lie that most of the Champions league teams will be in the GDA or they will field B teams next year?Did I lie when I posted the GDA schedule?Did I lie when i proved 8:18 wrong by showing the list of schools that recruited from those teams "USYS= DIRT FIELDS, WEAK TEAMS AND NO COLLEGE COACHES."12;42 I used the North East conf because it's Region 1 and it happens to have 14 teams nothing more. Kind of hard to compare 70+ teams to 12 14 vs 12 was easier nothing more. I can't say it's the toughest because i have not seen every team play.12:46 well said if they played in the USYS state cup 1 would never have made the trip - I don't dispute the ECNL is the top of the pyramid currently I have said many times. I don't dispute that coaches show up.I do dispute comments that put down other avenues to recruit players to the ECNL clubs -I also dispute the idea that just because you play in the same complex NA and Showcase games will get the coaches. Champions league has 16 games per day per age group - that's about 48 games per day just don't see the NA and Showcase teams getting the draw. Quick question do these teams pay an event fee? let's see add an additional 96 teams at approx 1k per team that's a cool 100k and all we have to do is market it as being part of the ECNL national event. I could be wrong but I doubt 64 teams per age group pay no event fee or ~ 256 teams for the entire event pay no fee. Inform me please.
First, congrats on your thesis. I didn't have the time to read all of your info, yet. I have a job and this isn't it. I have soccer bills to pay. But, yes there will be a lot of coaches at the other events in Chicago, too. Having had kids that were in all of the various events at one time, that does happen. As far as your percentage amount of NE conference, I don't take exception that you pointed it out. It's wonderful that the competition in this Conference is so good. May explain why coaches come to the league games and practices as well. I'll read the rest of your sh#t when I have a potty break. As it's mostly diahara of the mouth at this point. lol
Pardon, diarrhea (my previous spelling error) of the keyboard.
Who said you lied? I think you are misinformed. Intentionally misleading/mis stating facts is a lie. The other is just not having details and stating items in error. That's not a lie.
2;03 - why would you think anyone understood what you were doing when you randomly listed schools? It doesn't tie to anything in the post. But, thanks, I guess. That said, you brag about listing a bunch of schools that U19/U20 kids (these are kids already in college one would hope) attended having been in the USYS league, right? They are not tied to any team; so there's that. And, two to three years ago, USYS was were some kids played and were ECNL discovery players. Since that time, many of those kids are now only playing ECNL. Some of the teams became ECNL teams and some kids just could not play in both leagues anymore. It's too much time and commitment. One of my kids was one of them. It's too much. Soccer schedules are too crazy anymore. So, when we had to choose. We went ECNL over USYS. It's not for everyone, but it was what worked for my USYS kid. It's what she wanted.
2;03 - I can only speak for last year as this year, it's a new site. Last year, in SD, the complex was huge. The North American Cup and Showcase events are going on at the same time and location as Championship League. The college coaches and US scouts would walk from game to game. They had their pick. And, the ages all play at different times and days. Some teams/age groups have off days and others are playing on those days. It's really scheduled rather well. On off days, kids checked out local schools or did some sight seeing.In Seattle (predecessor to San Diego as far as site location), there were tents set up to watch the World Cup as well (it was going on just up north in canada). It's quite an event. It's a massive amount of soccer for the soccer junkies and coaches everywhere. Anyone that attended PDA got a taste. You had multiple games, multiple levels even non-ecnl and coaches all over the place.
The most wonderful thing about PDA is that they invite NPL teams. My kids are or were at MFA and I am a strong supporter of that club, but I recognize the greatness of PDA and that tourney is one of the things it does which makes it great.
It is nice, NPL, USYS and ECNL are all invited to the tourney. It's an ECNL league/event so ECNL play games against each other. But, for non-ECNL to get a taste of what it's like to attend an ECNL event, it was pretty amazing. I don't think it was altruistic, however. It's about $ so if you have the space, why not?According to my friend, his kid plays ECNL, it's nothing compared to their playoffs (championship/north american cup and showcase event) at the end of their season. It's soccer palooza.
7:55 am - wow. I didn't realize the amount of teams in the champions league that will be GDA next season. If even 1/2 of those kids move to their team's GDA, it will have a major impact on ECNL. Wow again. ECNL must have really ticked off US Soccer to do this. Anyone find out what happened?
I just puked in my mouth. PDA is so wonderful blah blah blah. They only care about the top team and the rest pay the bills. Players don't move up because the coaches don't care about development just making themselves look good. Their event is to showcase their program not their players.
Hahaha. Here is something a friend pointed out to me at the tourney. It's an ECNL event; Nike tent with ECNL stuff at crazy prices. ECNL & Nike branded shirts, hats, everything. ECNL and Nike raking it in. Around the corner is a PDA tent hawking PDA tournament shirts. Not in the ECNL tent; at a PDA tent with the money going into a PDA cash box. No cut to Nike or ECNL, i guess. Hilarious. How do they get away with that one?
Good luck to the Wildcats today in the NPL finals.
How many kids leaving wildcats to play DA at Cedar Stars?
Half of them. The other half going to PDA.GO PDA!!!!!!
So PDA GDA is going to consist of 7-10 Wildcats players? In the immortal words of Will Ferrell (Old School) "you're crazy...I like you man but...but you're crazy."
for whichever poster assumed that 2nd and 3rd tier brackets do not get the same amount of coaches is completely wrong. I am assuming that you are assuming, because if you were at any of the ECNL showcases, you would know.Also a couple things about the showcases that should be obvious.-Most top schools send multiple coaches if not the entire staff.-You have to reach out to coaches and make them aware of your player.-If your player is a forward that is interested in Penn State, but Penn State does not have a need for a forward in your players graduating class, it doesn't matter what bracket you are in they wont come and waste their time.-ECNL showcases are exactly that, showcases. Unless you are the top 1% club that will play for the National Championship. Wins and losses do not matter. Wins and losses for the season for that matter are only a way to seat for the showcases.
The games change each day at the ECNL playoffs. I am a college coach and I am looking for players that write me and then find their team on the updates game board. You can't really tell what group is what, you just go early in the morning, find the teams you need to see play and go and watch. It could be any team in any of the three groups on any of the days. It is a busy event.
10:31 thanks,Does grad year play a factor - since I doubt you will be able to see everyone? How do you decide your order it can't be random or is?
10:31 so you are saying the coaches only go to ECNL events? How big is your database per graduation year? How many events do you got?
lat post was for 9:53 and 10:31
Not even 1 Wildcats player going to Cedar stars or PDA.
College coaches typically go to watch "their players". The players who have expressed interest and who they might be interested in or who are comitted. They will see kids who are not committed and express interest (happens more earlier in the process) but for the most part it is to see players they are already aware of. If your kid is tier 3 with few committments on her team, unlikely to get many coaches at your game. Coaches don't have enough time to be wandering to find the diamond in the rough. Colleges do send multiple coaches to events because chances are they have multiple players in multiple age brackets playing at or close to the same time. How close you are to graduating/fitting into their line-up and how imprtant of a recruit she is normally determines which coach shows up (HC vs AC1, 2, 3).
A few years ago i had a kid play in the "showcase" level of u15 ECNL. They averaged about 60 top level coaches per game. More early in the week. There were no committed kids on the team. The team wasn't very good, but they had a couple top level kids on the team. maybe that was the draw. But there were many coaches from top 50 schools there at more than one game even to see a "poor" team. The flight doesn't matter at these events. the age groups and the presence of a couple name players are the biggest draws.
11:33 & 12:42 my question is simple -we are talking 9/10 graders.How big is a coaches db per grad year? 500? 750? 1000? 1500? 2000?If the coach has these many players in "their db" How many are they seeing at one event? How many events do they attend in a year? Do they just write off kids?10:31 am I write when I say you go see as many kids as you can at all the big showcases/championship events maybe 10-20 or more? Throw in your ID clinics and that's your real db that you trim to 6 or 7? What does a kid have to do besides emailing you to get you there? I doubt you only shop at ECNL events or maybe you do.
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