CS teams typically get worse as the year goes on. Nothing new.
Not our experience. But, then again, I expect my kid to be accountable and she expects the same from herself.
Big weekend coming up in PA for State Cup.Regarding PF, same roster all year but you want to blame CS? I get the power a coach has but what does he do differently latter part of the year? Maybe players are dropping off because of mental commitment/fitness etc...?
Some parents should be blaming their own kids for dialing it in. But, that can't happen. Can't be the kids, their kid, right?
I would love some opinions on these one day ID college clinics. They are flooding my child's email as I'm sure they are many kids. Does a kid ever walk away from one with a college coach actually interested and who follow up? Are they 100% money grabs?
10:091. If not published, find out how many players are attending camp-if 50+, don't go2. Was she invited following a tournament where she may have been observed?3. Is daughter at least 50% interested in school?4. Would she go there? Distance, major, costs etc...5. If $100-150 for at least 3 hours and 1,2,3 and 4 are yes...then go for itYes, many are just a money grab...if she gets invite from a school where she'd never make team, be honest with yourself....
10:20 AM Your post is the true purpose the board is for! Thank for a great straight forward (TRUE!) answer. BTW I am not the OP who asked the question.
11:23A friend passed on the fruits of their experience so it's my turn.One more thing obviously is how big your wallet is for these ID camps. Each needs to decide how much and where to spend.
Money Grab is so negative.They blast these emails to their database or using another tool like CaptainU.I have no problem with these blasts.$$$ is probably going to the Assistant Coaches.Looking for that diamond not at an ECNL event.If the player has an interest they will attend if they don't then they won't.The school is looking to give all players a look and at the same time make a little extra money for the coaches.They are not to blame is a players over steps. They won't let those players hijack the clinic, they will get over looked plain and simple. If they find 5-6 players per clinic that they can follow it's a win win for everyone.PS. If they observed a player at an event the club coach would know about and so would the player their would be no guessing. They would want to make sure that player comes to their clinic.They work hard to build a strong team and provide opportunities for everyone. Not a money grab in my opinion. If you're not interested you are not going.
ECNL Champions League Qualifiers as of this second. All this talk about SoCal how about FC Stars and Mclean both are also dominating1 So Cal Blues SC ECNL U162 FC Stars of Massachusetts ECNL U163 McLean Youth Soccer ECNL U164 FC Dallas ECNL U165 Tophat SC ECNL U166 Concorde Fire ECNL U167 MVLA ECNL U168 Boston Breakers Academy ECNL U169 Dallas Sting ECNL U1610 Ohio Elite Soccer Academy ECNL U1611 Eclipse Select SC ECNL U1612 Michigan Hawks ECNL U1613 West Florida Flames ECNL U1614 De Anza Force ECNL U1615 Solar Chelsea SC ECNL U1616 Mustang SC ECNL U1617 Washington Premier ECNL U1618 Crossfire Premier ECNL U1619 Minnesota Thunder Academy ECNL U1620 Penn Fusion SA ECNL U1621 Real Colorado ECNL U1622 West Coast FC ECNL U1623 Jacksonville FC ECNL U1624 TSC Hurricane ECNL U1625 Slammers FC ECNL U1626 PDA ECNL U1627 FC Virginia ECNL U1628 Charlotte Soccer Academy ECNL U1629 Real So Cal ECNL U1630 Match Fit Academy ECNL U1631 SLSG - MO ECNL U1632 Ohio Premier ECNL U16\2017 NPL Finals qualified teams 16-U GIRLS (2001s)1. Davis Legacy SC - future ECNL team2. Campton United SC3. Virginia Rush4. Tucson Soccer Academy5. ISC GunnersNPL Northeast Girls League 2016-2017 standings as of this secondPTS22 FC Stars 01 NPL 19 World Class FC 01 NPL 19 PDA South 01 NPL 17 PDA North 01 NPL 15 Connecticut FC 01 NPL 15 FC Boston 01 NPL11 Match Fit Academy 01 NPL 10 Penn Fusion SA 01 NPL 8 Continental FC 01 NPL8 FSA FC 01 NPL5 FC Bucks 01 NPL3 East Meadow SC 01 NPL1 Albertson Fury 01 NPL NYCSL NPL 2016-2017 standings as of this secondPTS 18 SUSA FC NPL-0115 Princeton SA NPL-0110 NJ Crush FC NPL-0110 Manhattan Soccer Club NPL-017 NJ Stallions Academy NPL-017 STA NPL-016 Brentwood Youth Soccer Club NPL-015 Massapequa Soccer Club NPL-012 New York Soccer Club NPL-012 Quickstrike FC NPL-01Sorry EDP NPL to much of a mess to followThe below 4 teams have qualified for the National League and Eastern Regional League The NJ Stallions are also doing NYCSL NPL wow that's like 20 league games plus what ever tournaments they do - talk about getting max exposure for their kids - good job.1. FC FREDERICK '01 2. NJ STALLIONS ACADEMY 01 FREEDOM NPL 3. GREATER BINGHAMTON FC 01 SELECT 4. ARLINGTON SA 2001 GIRLS RED The following 8 teams are safe and will return to Eastern Regional League D11. 1776 UNITED FC XTREME 2. PREMIER SC NAVY 2001 (FKA STRIKERS) 3. DAVIDSONVILLE DYNAMITE 4. CENTURY V 01 GOLD 5. BEADLING SC BEADLING ELITE 6. NORTHERN STEEL ECLIPSE7. HARFORD FC UNITED THUNDER 01/02 8. EMPIRE UNITED SA EMPIRE UNITED ROCHESTER G16 2001 The following 4 teams will be relegated to D2. Another WOW, BRYC couldn't stay in D1 and is moving to the ECNL, do they give up their National League spot? The bright side is they are the VA NCS champ so they have already qualified for the Region 1 Championships.1. BRYC ELITE ACADEMY 01/022. EMPIRE UNITED SA EMPIRE UNITED BUFFALO G16 2001 3. LOUDOUN SOCCER 01G RED4. PIPELINE SC BLACK The following 4 teams will be promoted to D1 from D2. PDA Shore came so close all they needed was a win or a tie vs Rochester and they would have qualified.1: FURY ATHLETICA2: ROCHESTER FUTBOL GIRLS 01 3. LEHIGH VALLEY UNITED LVU 2001 GIRLS BLACK 4. SCS UNITED ELITE Also a big shout out to SJEB for winning the NJ NCS and qualifying for the Region 1 Championships with a 5-0 beat down. But since the NJ Stallions were also the runner up in the Eastern Regional League they can get the wildcard spot to the Region 1 Championships if FC Frederick wins the MD NCS.0 NJ STALLIONS ACADEMY 01 FREEDOM NPL5 SJEB RUSH 01 GIRLS ACADEMYSJEB joins IGFA 01 NPL as NJ State Champs. Someone set up that game.
Anyone have experience to share with the NCSA recruiting site?
Do you mean the recruiting google doc that would update based on commits, etc.? That has been around for a few years. Great tool. Many thanks to the person who kept it up all these years.
4:56How about the PA state cup games this weekend?
The 2001 Final is this weekend and the winner joins SJEB RUSH 01 GIRLS ACADEMY, BRYC ELITE ACADEMY 01/02, FC FREDERICK '01 at the Region 1 Championships to battle for 1 spot at NationalsPA NCS FinalPA Classics Academy '011776 United FC
Looks like a rematch for PA1776 pulls this one off I think1-0
Recruiting sites don't work. They do nothing. You either have a club coach that knows how to place the player at a D-I school or you don't. As for D-III, if you can pay to play then there is a very good chance you will make the team if you play on a high level club team.
I get what you're attempting to say I think but "pay to play" at D3???Kinda asinine comment!!! College is for education isn't it?
You pay to go to college and in many cases if you played youth soccer at somewhat of a decent level you can play D-III soccer. Just apply, get in and write the check. . As for paying to play college soccer at the D-III, many D-III schools collect a fee prior to preseason to pay for travel bags, warm-up tee and jacket or warm-ups. So yes, you pay for college and you pay certain aspects of playing on the team. Oh, you might have to do fundraising too...which most times is a parent writing the check for unsold t-shirts or cupcakes. So after all those years of paying for club soccer....don't put away that checkbook yet..
Damn, my daughter will need to rethink her verbal then.Here I thought they would provide granola bars and bananas for players too...Guess she'll need to work in the cafeteria then..
Since there is NO commitment at the D-III level, written or verbal, other than writing the check you have nothing to worry about. Either write the check and attend or....don't write the check. Just that simple.
D3 Coach: "After observing your play and talking to you these last few months, I want to offer you a spot on the roster for 2018"Daughter: "Wow Coach, thank you so much! I already talked to admissions and to the head of the engineering dept and we're all set and I definitely want to accept your offer. I'll let you know if there any issues when I apply early fall"Guess what? That's a verbal!!!
It's a non binding commitment as there are NO commitments in D-III soccer. There is NOTHING holding either party to your verbal commitment and there are no ramifications if either of you decide to go in a different direction. It's the same as her accepting an invitation to meet her friend for ice cream later, if one doesn't show up it's no big deal or that she plans to be at her scheduled hair appointment she most likely won't be billed. Now a true verbal commitment would be when you schedule a doctors appointment and fail to show up. She will still have to pay for that appointment. There are ramifications for breaking that verbal commitment.D-III commitment....makes you feel like all that money you spent on youth soccer was worth it. She has a commitment, lol.
So I just read the last few posts...One guy just trying to belittle the other...par for the course...A verbal can be backed out of by either party...no matter what the division. Stop being an ass!I can send you the info on 2 girls who backed out of their verbal at D1 schools.Where should I send?Anonymous AnonymousAnonymous Street Apt?Anonymous, AMIs that right?
11:48 - hate to break it to you but all of it is non-binding until Letter of Intent signed by all parties. (DIII doesn't have LOI, but has something else for signing day, I believe.)
11:33 - congrats. If you/your kid is happy with her choice, that is ALL that matters. And that is the verbal commitment that counts; she to you that it's all good.
Division 3 does not have a signing day and there is not anything to sign that is official. Also nothing comes from the NCAA or the college that holds a player to an NCAA Division 3. There is also no verbal athletic commitment at a Division 3. The poster is correct. Division 1 verbal does not become official until they sign the LOI. Does not happen often that a player or university breaks the verbal, but it does happen. The terms are not in writing, but the player knows the offer at the time they give a verbal commitment at a Division I program. There is a big difference between an athletic verbal and a verbal given to a college that you plan to attend and then play a sport. As long as your kid is happy playing it's all good.
Hey 11:48 - where did your daughter commit to, with you as a parent I hope it is the opposite coast so she can start enjoying life. What an A$$. YEs my daughter is a 2018 D3 commit, this means that the coach offered her a spot on his 2018 roster, communicated with admissions and coordinated meetings with the dept. head of her major. Provided a tuition sheet with specific $$. She received a verbal offer from D1 and D2 as well but realized D1 would be more soccer than school (her major will entail a large portion of clinical credits), D2 did not offer educational support for athletes. Also the chosen school is close enough for us to attend games which was on her list. So 11:48 can puff out your chest as an anonymous authority on All things Women's college soccer but don't belittle folks on this board as you don't have all the facts to judge.
12:33 well said...11:33 here. I was reading these posts and was at a loss for words to reply kindly to 11:48I just feel for his daughter! God forbid she chooses a great school for great academics and with a great soccer program !! Oh my the horror if it's D3!!! :)
I don't see anything that was written negatively about D-III soccer. What I see is the truth written that there isn't a D-III commitment other then getting in to the school and paying the tuition. Seems like Dad needs to tell people his daughter is committed. If it makes Dad feel bettter that he thinks his child is committed at the D-III level then that is what is important I guess.... There is absolutely NO commitment in D-III soccer but if you want to pretend otherwise that is fine. Whatever gets you through the day. Playing college soccer in any division beyond high school is awesome!
It appears that, either people don't know how to read or they just like to hear themselves/see themselves write...Many of these posts are not mutually exclusive but the posters keep repeating themselves hoping it will sound different every time.Verbal= verbalEnd of story
The National Letter of Intent, this is a binding program that only applies to schools that participate in NLI program (namely NCAA Division I and II colleges and universities). Specifically the NCAA prohibits Division III institutions from using letters of intent stating in the NCAA Division III Manual: NCAA Proposal 2015-8 - Division III institutions are permitted to use a standard, NCAA provided, non-binding celebratory signing form. A prospective student-athlete is permitted to sign the celebratory signing form at any point, including high school signing events, after the prospective student-athlete has been accepted to the institution. Institutions should keep in mind, however, that they are not permitted to publicize a prospective student-athlete’s commitment to the institution until the prospective student-athlete has submitted a financial deposit (Bylaw 13.10.7). “An institution, or one that competes in a sport in Division III, shall not use in the recruitment of a prospective student-athlete in a sport classified in Division III any form of a letter of intent or similar form of commitment”. (See NCAA Division III Manual 13.9.1 and 20.11.4.)”Until a student-athlete is on the field for preseason practices, an NCAA Division III coach really has no 100% guarantee of which student-athletes are ultimately committed to their program and going to be a part of it. From the student-athlete’s perspective, there is no binding commitment for the student-athlete (beside early decision) and you can change your mind up until the last minute.
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Catching up with this. What's up with the CS hate on PF? They aren't that good this year without their YNT superstar, but they aren't bad. Probably make it to the champions league. All good. CS is one of the best trainers around. My kid had him for ODP some years ago.
11:56 and 12:01 here. Not sure why all the hate toward DIII. Anyway, I knew there was a document NCAA approved that DIII kids signed as the schools wanted something binding as well. Here is info on it. https://www.nsr-inc.com/scouting-news/division-iii-prospects-finally-have-a-commitment-letter-to-sign/Good luck to your daughter when she signs her Commitment Letter on Nat'l Signing Day in her senior year. She's heading to college. That is what is important.
And, 3:01, I agree with you too re CS. My kid has nothing but great things to say about him from ODP/Regional.
301 Most exceptionally successful teams have a couple of really special players. The ones that get double marked and are constantly having their names shouted out to "watch". Even the soccer grandmas notice these players as representing a different level. Without their special player, is it surprising that they are not as great as they were?
I am sure they will be just fine. btw - when a teammate goes down; others are supposed to step up.
6:50 PMD-III have a non-binding celebratory signing form. It is not a commitment.An institution, or one that competes in a sport in Division III, shall not use in the recruitment of a prospective student-athlete in a sport classified in Division III any form of a letter of intent or similar form of commitment. They may use a celebratory signing form.This is not at all a knock on D-III. There are D-III programs that can beat lower level D-I programs. But there is NO commitment at the D-III level.
It's a commitment letter you # hole. Not sure why you even care. NAIA has something similar too I believe. You may need to read up on that, too.
Continuing....it's different from a Letter of Intent - u schim.
Poster braying about club coaches getting kids into D1 -you as a parent can do it yourselfI am not saying the coaches cannot be instrumental - just that you can be OK if the club coach coaches the team and is not so adept at th college stuff (something the entire club, not just the coach should attend to).Be prepared to do some legwork as a parent. Your 3-5 K a year doesnt give you the right of expectation that the coach come through in getting your daughter into the college she desires.
By the way, D3 commitments are tracked on Top Drawer.Sure - they count.Ya dummie.
D3 discussion of the past day was the most asinine I have seen on these boards in quite some time.Looking at a major D3 soccer power- and you had better believe they know who is coming and who is not - who has been told they are being looked at as key players and who has been told that YEAH,come down to the sessions and we will look at you (this would qualify as a non-commitment by the coach).Dont give us all the official gobbledygook. D3s recruit much in the same manner as the D2s and D1s. Your making i tout to be like intramural play is unnecessarily degrading to many fine student athletes.Peace.
Yesterday's D3 "discussion" (bullying) reminds me of lloking at my daughter's snapchat account. Some of you are not only ignorant, you spew hate and if your daughters take after you, I hope they get that top D1 school on the west coast away from you. Of and D1 is all that matters right? Who cares about the education
Blog's been looking like the younger age blogs where the parents see who can flex and puff their chests the most.Immature and childish.
A NCAA NLI (national letter of intent) is a legal contract that is signed by the athlete obligating him or her to attend a specific university and play intercollegiate athletics at the school. The school's end defines their financial obligation to the student. They are given to students who are awarded athletic scholarships to sign in February of their senior year. The "signing day" is in fact the "earliest" date in which a NLI can be legitimately signed in concordance with NCAA rules and regulations."Signing day" is the big day when pictures are taken and posted to social media accounts, club websites and College team pages. The D3 athletes felt they too had earned the big day even if it wasn't associated with a NLI. Hence the D3 commitment letter was generated to allow a D3 athlete their moment in the sun and photo op.These are the facts and in no way is intended to minimize the achievement of a D3 athlete.
Not one person proposing "D3 VERBALS" is denying the factual posts that have become like groundhog day movie. Everyone wants to show what they can copy and paste from the internet on the subject and they're just repeating the same thing off topic.This entire thread started with someone commenting on a D3 verbal between daughter and coach. End of story, there's no denying this by posting all the info which has nothing to do with their discussion. All verbals are just verbals...period.Poster's daughter chose D3 for her education and will also play soccer.Other posters' comments imply (intentionally or not) that D1 is more valuable than D3. I hope their daughters enjoy warming the bench for a couple years bc mommy and daddy will be able to post on a a blog saying daughter plays D1.Can this be the end of this topic??? Please???
OK the D3 discussion is a dead horse... Any GDA Team rosters going public yet? Signed: Pot Stirrer
YesSigned: Pot smoker
835 sensitive much? Hope your kid will have a great college experience. My kid has her world which you choose to disparage. Newsflash: Kids with greater than 75% scholarships aren't anticipated to be benchwarmers. Coaches will do everything possible to assure they succeed so that the coach doesn't have to admit a "mistake" in recruiting. Remember all power 5s have 4 year athletic guarantees so they are stuck with the kid and can't swap her out. Your position that all of the D1s will be bench warmers is pretty ignorant and is simply your wearing your insecurities on your sleeve. Similarly do your actions in trying to quash "discussion" on a "discussion" forum. Just skip the posts on the topic if it touches a nerve (which it clearly does). No need to insult anyone with your ignorant blabber.Sorry fact: Kids with greater than 50% P5 scholarships never considered D3.
I don't see anything written that has to do with a DI vs. DIII debate. I don't see anything negative written about DIII at all until a recent post. Playing sports at any level after high school is great. NCAA DI and DII can make a commitment. Those playing at the NAIA can make a commitment. JUCO's can make a commitment. These levels all offer athletic awards.D-III students don't make an athletic commitment, they make a financial deposit like the rest of the students attending the college to hold their place. DIII students can have a non-binding celebratory signing form. Kids moving on to a DIII program sign a non-binding celebratory signing form, something other than a blank page. “An institution, or one that competes in a sport in Division III, shall not use in the recruitment of a prospective student-athlete in a sport classified in Division III any form of a letter of intent or similar form of commitment”. (See NCAA Division III Manual 13.9.1 and 20.11.4.)”So yes, let's put this to rest. There is no such thing as a DIII athletic commitment as written in the NCAA DIII rules manual. Playing DI is good.Playing DII is good.Playing DIII is good.Playing JUCO is good.Playing USYS is good.Playing DA is good.Playing ECNL is good.Playing rec is good. It's all good...
9:29 dick much?You read the post and took it defensively. 1. Do you know the post was meant for you?2. Post does not disparage ALL D1 but seems to refer to some previous posts from arrogant sobs3. If it was you and the shoe fits...wear it!4. Curious...what are the GPA and SAT scores for those "P5 50%+" scholarship recipients? What's their class rankings? Could they even be admitted to a top D3?
956 Why would they want to? But sure plenty have the grades and scores...and... isn't the admission push to "top D3s" the rationalization that many make for their huge investment in youth soccer?BTW the guy talking about D1 commitments being bench warmers started the negativity and no I don't really see much going the other way
Comical...but also tragicMAny of you should get a life...what will you do when you can't live vicariously through your kids anymore?On another note...BREAKING NEWS!!!"Russia has taken over the USDA and Trump leaked rosters to Washington Post!!!
1032 I love posters who act like they are smarter and more psychologically balanced than anyone else on the forum. Yet, they contribute absolutely nothing to any discussions except their holier than thou rhetoric. You should be the one looking inward.For my contribution: Looks like some of the GDA have to play up a significant number of 01s on the 00/99s. Are they the better players being offered a developmental "opportunity" or weaker players filling the roster?
@10:53 Your second point is interesting as I've not heard about GDAs doing this.Which GDA is playing 01s up?Only thing I have heard is that some older rosters are slim bc many girls are opting for school ball their senior year but some clubs are allowing school ball and then joining DA after season...
YST has a College Soccer board"We're trying out a new page devoted to collegiate play.For now, we'll keep men / women on the same page. If the page becomes popular, we'll break it into two segments.This discussion can be related to getting in, getting play time, scholarships, program reviews, questions and comments."Why all this talk on this age's board? this board is for best girls soccer clubs, girls soccer academies pa, manhattan soccer, new york city youth soccer, nj youth soccer blog, u16 girls soccer teams, u16G girls soccer, youth soccer talk.
PF GDA has a number of 01's on the 00/99 team. They didn't get selected to the 01/02 and were moved to the 99/00 team to fill out the roster.
Interesting. Guess they are trying to hold those bubble 01s in the club in case they need them next year to round out the oldest age group.If most of the 00s are juniors now they won't have a full team unless they keep some of these to fill in next year. Seems to go against the USSF mandate to play the best kids up, but maybe allowed for growing pain year or two.
Speaking of gda rostersour club has not released the roster yet, anyone else in this boat?
Do the kids know who made it?
I think most know by now if they made it.
Agreed. If you haven't heard from the GDA coach by now then unfortunately I don't think your daughter made it. There may be some late adds but i believe most GDA girls have been informed.
To the person who is posting the comparison of PF vs PDA records, you must know this is misleading at best right? There is little relevance for the games that aren't league play since it's not apples to apples. They do not play the same teams in showcases (albeit possible I guess). League play is the same teams so therefore relevant but not even then until they have played all of their games. Comparing common opposition is fine. I am not taking anything away from PF. I like CS and I am a fan of the club. I am also not defending PDA in anyway. I'm just saying that outside of comparing results for common opponents there is little relevance.
2:51 - so true. The only records that matter to ECNL teams are ECNL league. The outside showcases are just that; showcases; all kids play and not all kids attend if already committed.
12:15 - a number? I saw 2 and my understanding, they are pretty darn good. Some older kids are opting into pre-academy to play school ball, too. Their GDA is pretty solid as are the pre-academy spots. I understand that once a spot opens up on GDA, it can be filled immediately. It works if some kids are leaving early for college spring ball.
Chiming in I also heard that another possible YNT kid may move up too. Friend's daughter on that team as we were thinking about it as we were unable to make try-outs. But, apparently it is loaded.
3:22 Penn Fusion is just a deeper team which makes them a better team.PDA can not win outside of it's league games that has to say something no?Just for the record FC Stars and McLean best ECNL teams in Region1 with BBA 3rd. This ECNL division will be very weak next season with FC Stars, BBA, PDA, WC, Albertson and East Meadow fielding weaker teams in CT Oakwood got stronger and CFC and FSA not that strong. The time has come for FC Bucks and CFC Delco to dominate this age group as their A teams will be playing B teams.USYS NL very much on par with the new ECNL.PS. The other teams at these showcases also play their entire team they just don't have a roster of 24 to not dress players.How good is a club if you can't mix and match their 1st team roster. I read ECNL league is for keeps so they win but other showcase tournaments are players from the 1st team roster that can't win the weaker ones that don't dress for league games or rotate.GP9 Division 8(w) 2(t) 1(l) 12 Non-Division 2(w) 5(t) 5(l)
Going to chime in here since the last post made me laugh. Penn fusion is NOT better than PDA. The problem with Penn fusion is there are too many girls who have the "I'll do it myself" mentality therefore you don't see a lot of quality teamwork. They also lack a good game day coach.
Huh? Maybe you aren't understanding some 1st team players don't even attend. It gives others more playing time and playing time in other positions. I'm not a fan of just throwing kids into positions they don't necessarily play or practice for showcases, but that is how it's done with some. I'm not saying all, but I know of some.
6:36 - and that's because you say so, right? So, it must be true. And, not directing this at PDA or PF. They are both very good clubs. Directing at the poster making comments about playing and coaching. Maybe it's this person's kid that plays that way. There's no "I" in team, but there is a "me".
@5:33Uh no. That's my point. I went through the games and PF's wins outside of league were lower ranked teams generally. PDA tied Concorde Fire and Stars of MA and lost to solar Chelsea. All top 10 teams. Their only gaffe as far as I can see is a 2-0 to marchfit (not trying to insult anyone but I think they probably should have beat them). PF's only top 10 game was So Cal Blues; every team can have a bad day. In league play against common opponents PDA is 6-0-2 and PF is 5-2-1. PDA has a much higher GF/GA differential. So very similar teams with the edge going to PDA. i don't think I'm making a big leap with this concept. Is PF deeper, maybe. That I can't comment on. It when looking at records and comparing relevant games I'd have to give the edge to PDA.
Ok so I botched that. PDA played six games out of league against slammers West Coast Orlando city Concorde fire FC Virginia and solar Chelsea. Four teams out of the six are ranked in the top 10 with a goal differential of -2 Penn fusion played one top 10 team goal differential -9
My goodness. You spent an awful lot of time on that. In the future, if interested (and I mean BIG IF), fellow bloggers, please go to the standings. Meanwhile, not sure this is true but saw on U17 blog (as it was the U16/U17 blog until recently) that there may be an NCAA college coach prohibition to attend tourneys the end of December through sometime in January (i.e., Stanford, NPL showcase, Disney). Does anyone have any info on this? This may be a rumor. In the event it isn't, though...Why have showcase tourneys without college coaches in attendance? Need to get some confirmation so we don't have to pay for these tourneys in our budgets for upcoming 2017-18 yr.
Heard the rumor mill about this also.If this happens, I'd think those showcases would change their dates to allow coaches on site. Not a showcase if no coaches there.
A college coach mentioned that this change was in the works to us while on an unofficial visit. So its definitely being discussed.
Our club mentioned the change to us. They said ECNL will change the date of their Florida showcase to early December if/when the change is implemented but that Disney may not be able to change the dates of their tourney because their facilities are fully booked so far that they have no flexibility.
Think the ECNL will go head to head with the DA tournament? The date they pick will pretty much reveal their hand on where they think the league will rate when compared to the DA. If they really believe the ECNL will remain relevant they will go head to head.
Disney will move tournaments around. The current showcase slots around New Years will be for younger kids and the showcase will be played either in fall or spring. No way Disney is going to miss out on hat money. If there are no college coaches there would be no reason to go to Disney. Sounds like this won't happen for this coming cycle. Maybe next year.
10:51 - hmmm. Soccer gauntlet throw down. Sounds intriguing. GDA showcase in early December will be in FL. The plot thickens.
1:40 - you have to figure in field availability; refs; all that stuff. So, they may not be able to go head to head.
Well as it is boys Disney completely overlaps girls Sanford. So there are plenty of fields and refs to go head to head in central Florida. I just don't think the ECNL will be that brave (or maybe stupid...?)
Hmmm You just added another layer, the boys' ECNL kicks in as well. That may have an impact on the boys' teams that go to Disney I would think, too. And, also the availability of fields, refs, etc. And, lastly, the NCAA black out rules would not only affect girls but boys as well. Dant, dant daaaaa...The plot thickens.
I don't see an update on the NCAA site - is this fake news?From the NCAA websiteWhat is a dead period?During a dead period a college coach may not have face-to-face contact with college-bound student-athletes or their parents, and may not watch student-athletes compete or visit their high schools. Coaches may write and telephone student-athletes or their parents during a dead period.Soccer Dead PeriodsJanuary 30- February 2, 2017 (Monday through Thursday of the initial week for the signing of the National Letter of Intent).
Poster above at 1:12 am mentioned a change expanding the black out dates. This info was noted on the U17 blog (as that blog was U16/U17 until recently). No confirmation. Looking for some.
7:40 here thanks 7:57I was only able to find the below which is for Football. Collegiate Commissioners Association approved changes to the National Letter of Intent program, which the association runs. Those changes include a new, 72-hour early signing period between the dates of Dec. 20 to 22. The dates will coincide with the first three days of the midyear JUCO signings
Thank you. Maybe something is in the works for the new black out dates. Let's keep looking for that one. Or, if anyone has college coaches for their club coaches and could find out, that would be great.
There was two D1 college coaches in the room when our club told us about the new blackout date proposal so I'm pretty sure this was legit.
Thank you. Please keep us informed if you find out anything additional. Have a great night/morning.
I believe potential new blackout dates are legit. This was a topic of discussion at Disney this past year. Coaches were saying they were asking for lsomething like a month blackout to get a break from all the travel to tournaments as it is too much. Disney website still has dates listed for next year as New Years.
Is the watchung hills team moving to STA next year? Thei current watchung hills coach has been seen around wearing a STA jacket and at some of the STA games
Here is a great comment from the G-U17 blog:Does anyone think that having 4 teams at one age group is a good thing? It makes the top tier teams look bad to have lower level teams with the same <>> branding stinking up the field with kick and run daddy coaching?Why not have AA and AAA like baseball? It may be close to the same product but everyone can tell the difference between the Yankees and the Trenton Thunder. Players can move between teams and nobody is pretending they are something that they aren't. You can attract better talent and make the top team more prestigious. It will also make the other teams work harder to improve and move up to get those premier kits.
YES! YES! YES!So tired of the "D" team posers!!!
8:23 - interesting. btw - disney may still have the event with or without potential new black out dates in effect. It is still making it's money if clubs/teams pay the fee and they are providing the site for the party/event. someone may need this potential new info in front of the disney reps and get the scoop; otherwise, why attend?
Clubs do something like that already. Except it is for their team names and not their uniforms. Good teams say "NPL" or "ECNL" or “Black” after their names and bad teams say "EDP" or “Red” or "Shore" after theirs. I agree that we need to take it one step further. Minor league uniforms for all bottom feeders! Big clubs will like it because they can get you to buy two more uniforms for the one time you play up. Kids and parents on top team will like it because the others can't ride their success. Here is what we do…Put low level MF in pink, low level COPA in baby blue, low level PDA in red, and low level SJEB in grey.
The black out dates were discussed on XM 85 (soccer channel) Glenn Crooks' "the coaching academy" program.
Our coach told us the rule passed and there will be a black out period from December 15-Jan 3. He mentioned that it's not clear if it will just apply to D1 or DI,D II and DIII
I am very curious to see how things play out - we have 7 teams that have qualified for the national League and starting next year they are also joining GDA and ECNL curious to see if they do both or how they get around the USYS soccer roster rules if they try to get their B/C/D teams to replace their A teams.Also, why doesn't the ECNL adopt the Boys ECNL platform - so much better and it takes away the "closed" label sort of and makes the NPLs important again.National League 2017-18 — 17U Girls (2001s)1. Michigan Jaguars 01 Green (MI)2. Greater Binghamton FC (NY-W)3. CUP Gold 01 (OH-S)4. United FA 01 Premier (GA)5. Fullerton Rangers 01 White (CA-S)6. FC Frederick 01 (MD)7. NJ Stallions 01 Freedom (NJ)8. Arlington SA 01 Red (VA)9. Fever United (TX-N)10. Sting East 01 Dunstan (TX-N)11. PacNW 01 Maroon (WA)12. AZ Arsenal 01 Premier Teal (AZ)13. USA Stars Academy 01 (CA-N)14. Rebels SC 01 Elite (CA-S)GDA Clubs1. Legends FC 01 Academy (CA-S)2. Nationals Union 01 Black (MI)3. Nationals Unions 01 Red (MI)ECNL Clubs1. BRYC Elite Academy 01/02 (VA)2. Florida Elite 2001 (FL)3. 2001 Tennessee SC Showcase (TN)4. EGA 01 Maroon Omaha (NE)OPEN1. Greater Binghamton FC (NY-W)2. Nationals Union 01 Black (MI)3. EGA 01 Maroon Omaha (NE)4. 2001 Tennessee SC (TN)5. Florida Elite 2001 (FL)Pending1. 2017 MRL Premier I Division Spring Champion 2. 2017 MRL Premier I Division Spring 2nd Place 3. Region I Cup Representative to 2017 Nationals 4. Region II Cup Representative to 2017 Nationals5. Region III Cup Representative to 2017 Nationals6. Region IV Cup Representative to 2017 Nationals
1:24 you have no clue what you are talking about!
1:40 - Huh? Are these boys' teams? Are you saying the boys' ECNL & GDA are playing at the same time as national league games (and in the same area, I would assume; otherwise why it be remotely relevant)?
1:49 Girl teams. No I'm saying new GDA and ECNL clubs for next season also have their 1st teams in the National League. I also said the Boys ECNL has a better platform than the Girls side and think it would be better for the Girls ECNL to adopt the same platform. Basically, the ECNL division champions only go the Finals joined by the NPL Champions. For EXAMPLE from region 1 FC Stars and McLean would be the only teams going to Finals using today's standings. PDA, PennFusion and other teams would be replaced by the NPL Champions potentially teams like SJEB, IGFA, Oakwood, PDA South. Would make the NPLs even more of a player in tomorrow's world.2017 NPL Finals qualified teams16-U GIRLS (2001s):Arizona NPL: 1. Tucson Soccer AcademyFlorida NPL: 2. IMG AcademyGulf States Premier League: 3. MSC Lakers '01 EliteNorCal NPL: 4. Davis Legacy SCNorthern Illinois Soccer League: 5. Campton United SCNorthwest Champions League: 6. ISC GunnersVirginia NPL: 7. Virginia RushPending Champions not sure which go to Finals8. Elite Development Program - NPL Division9. Lake Highlands Girls Classic League10. Midwest Developmental League11. Mountain Developmental League12. New England Premier League13. New York Club Soccer League - NPL Division14. Northeast Girls NPL15. South Atlantic Premier League16. South Central Premier League17. Southern California NPL18. Texas Champions League19. United Soccer Clubs Champions League20. Washington State Premier LeagueNew NPLs next seasonCentral States NPLNew NPL in Southern CaliforniaRed River NPLWashington NPL
Looks like LC from NJX has done it again. First she left Jackson mid season and now has taken her girls mid season again. Very sad!! It must be her pride. New girls joined he team and now she panics. She should have been gone years ago. Wonder where she will try and get a package deal?? Beware to all the clubs out here!!!!
2;36 - I am not familiar with the boys platform. And, right now, ECNL is girls only so I am going by what is, not what will be or could be. But, I haven't checked the Nat'l League standings, but I find it hard to believe that 1st teams of ECNL and GDA would be in it. My understanding is that currently, the by-laws of ECNL prevent their 1st teams from competing in another league. And, I find it even harder that GDA's 1st teams will be competing in other leagues as well. This is the league that is making the kids give up soccer in anything else, high school, ODP/Region, etc. And the swap outs. I don't think you can compare outside leagues (NPL, EDP, USYS, etc.) as their head to head games are not as competitive.
6:35 - isn't that why ECNL teams don't compete in NCS for state championships? NPL teams can, but ECNL teams are precluded. If they (ECNL) could compete in National Leagues, why can't they compete in state cups, then? I don't think that other post is accurate, either. But, who knows? All of this is a moving target anymore.
6:35ECNL was the top national league. There was no need for a state cup. The top teams advance to the national championship round of play offs and then ECNL has a national championship in July.The ECNL has the best national showcase events as it has the best teams in the nation. Big reason the ECNL was started was because the USYS regional and national leagues were and are still run poorly. State Cup and regionals are a joke. ECNL was good for the best clubs, The ECNL was along with all other national leagues are a total joke in terms of cost. Playing youth soccer, even at the highest level should not cost what it does.
8:30 I disagree - ECNL was a closed league and had a championship for it's 70 clubs it's just a "World Series" for it's league nothing more.Love USYS or hate them - they have it right. Their top league the National League sends it's 4 division winners to Nationals no ducking anyone. The other teams have a ladder to climb 1st win states then play other regional state champs to advance to Nationals. If ECNL did that PDA, MF, WC, Stars, BBA would all play each other for 1 spot. That's why they made their own league and controlled who got in so 5 to 6 of them can play for a league title instead of 1. Are you saying all ECNL clubs are not run poorly? Why did the USSF create the GDA then? Oh yeah they want all that money. Guess what it's still the same clubs they just re-branded.6:41 the post is accurate Legends and Nationals qualified for national league but their club is now GDA so what happens? They give up their spot or their b team takes it? BRYC, EGA, Florida and TSC also qualified for National league but now they are in the ECNL, what do they do? Play both or send their b teams. I find it interesting.The ENPL will include both member Elite Clubs National League conferences (ECNL conferences) and member National Premier Leagues (NPLs), providing multiple entry paths into the competition. ENPL competition will include 14-U, 15-U, 16-U, 17-U and 19-U boys age groups, and will include participating teams from two independent qualification paths: (i) qualifying teams from designated National Premier Leagues across the country; and (ii) qualifying teams from ECNL club-based conferences across the country. These teams will come together to compete for the ENPL National Championship in a two-stage postseason event in 2018.
8:54 - Doesn't Legends and Nationals have a USYS team that is separate from ECNL (like Delco)? FC VA, Solar Chelsea, etc. have the same. Many clubs are multi-tiered. That doesn't mean they are sending their first team to National League. If they have ECNL, they aren't.
Legends does not have ECNL. I would assume they and any other clubs/teams in a similar situation decline the invitation to National League events after the end of this soccer season (8/1). Or, they field a USYS/NPL team along with GDA.
Wow. What domino effect all of this has had! As another poster noted, moving targets. What a crap storm!
@ 9:51 - A good example is Tophat Soccer Club (in Georgia). They are multi-tiered with GDA, ECNL and USYS/RPL (regional premier league) teams. Clubs are already planning around the upcoming hurdles caused by the academy/leagues (nat'l league, etc.). They are an ECNL founder and are on the Board of Directors so they have both. Surprise, surprise. lol
TopHat was not one of the ECNL founders. They were a relatively late add to the ECNL. However, they have been very successful. The criterion for keeping the ECNL along with GDA by the ECNL was actually teams in which a certain level of success was achieved. I think like 3 of 4 u15-18 teams in the champions league. That's how they kept both. I think they have only been ECNL for less than 2 years. Similarly none of the texas teams are founders. Texas came on board with the ECNL a few tears into its existence. When that happened it was considered that the ECNL would be heading downhill into dominance. The clubs outside of the ECNL that showed ECNL champions level strength were few last year. Legends and Cincinnati are the two that come to mind. They were both in the first round of GDA if i remember correctly.
@6:10 LC is so selfish only cares about 1 of her daughters . I left the team because of her then my other teammates did the same. Miss my Crew girls.
Now you can go back!
Top Region 1 teams broken down by league using the top 50 Youth Soccer Rankings scores. Please note most of the GDA teams also have NPL teams so they will fit right into the ECNL Level of play which is just above ERL/EDP. Not sure what the NL will offer as teams need to qualify and accept their spots first. It's not fixed, it's for the best teams from the previous season that qualify or are accepted. Leagues below ERL/EDP don't have many top teamsGDA38.91 FC STARS OF MASSACHUSETTS ECNL (MA)38.52 BOSTON BREAKERS ACADEMY ECNL (MA)37.60 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY ECNL (NJ)37.40 FC VIRGINIA ECNL (VA)37.38 PENN FUSION SA ECNL (PAE) 36.62 WORLD CLASS FC ECNL (NYE)36.42 OAKWOOD SC ATTACK NPL (CT) 35.42 PENNSYLVANIA CLASSICS ACADEMY (PAE) ECNL39.22 MCLEAN YS ECNL (VA)37.21 BETHESDA SC ECNL (MD)37.03 FC BUCKS ECNL (PAE)36.80 MATCH FIT ACADEMY FC ECNL (NJ)36.65 MARYLAND UNITED FC ECNL (MD) 36.62 CONNECTICUT FC ECNL (CT) 36.53 RICHMOND UNITED ECNL (VA)36.36 ALBERTSON SC ECNL (NYE) 36.30 FC BOSTON SCORPIONS ECNL (MA) 36.19 CONTINENTAL FC ECNL (PAE) 36.06 FSA FC ECNL (CT) 35.92 BRADDOCK ROAD YOUTH CLUB ELITE ACADEMY (VA) ERL36.72 GREATER BINGHAMTON FC SELECT (NYW) 36.24 PREMIER SC NAVY STRIKERS (MD) 35.96 ARLINGTON SA RED (VA)35.92 UNITED FC 1776 XTREME (PAE)35.83 FURY SC ATHLETICA (WV) 35.74 LEHIGH VALLEY UNITED BLACK (PAE) 35.57 FC FREDERICK (MD) 35.41 BEADLING SC ELITE (PAW) 35.35 NJ STALLIONS ACADEMY FREEDOM NPL (NJ) 35.22 CENTURY V SOCCER GOLD (PAW) EDP 37.00 SJEB RUSH ACADEMY (NJ)35.95 NJ WILDCATS FURY NPL (NJ)35.86 SUSA FC ELITE (NYE)35.74 READING RAGE SC MORGAN (PAE) 35.60 WATCHUNG HILLS NJ ELITE FLAMES (NJ) 35.38 NEW YORK SURF SC LI (NYE)35.33 SJEB RUSH PREMIER WHITE (NJ) 35.31 NEW YORK SC ELITE SAPPHIRE (NYE) 35.30 HARLEYSVILLE FC READY (PAE) NorthEast Girls NPL 35.89 FC STARS OF MASSACHUSETTS NPL (MA)35.70 MATCH FIT ACADEMY FC NORTHEAST NPL (NJ) 35.55 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY SOUTH NPL (NJ) 35.43 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY NORTH NPL (NJ) 35.36 WORLD CLASS FC NPL (NYE) New York NPL36.61 SUSA FC NPL (NYE)36.53 PRINCETON SA NPL (NJ) 35.35 NJ STALLIONS ACADEMY FREEDOM NPL (NJ) New England NPL36.69 SOUTH SHORE SELECT FC AP (MA)35.53 GPS MASSACHUSETTS NPL (MA)35.47 NEFC BREAKERS NPL (MA)CCL35.88 VIRGINIA BEACH TRAVEL FC RED (VA)
Below are the national League Qualifying Teams that need to accept their spots and the ECNL teams with a score above 36.00 not from Region 1. Most of the ERL/EDP teams are a pickem or underdog by a goal vs the top ECNL teams it becomes a 2 to 3 goal margin.38.00 Florida Elite 2001 (FL)38.00 Nationals Union 01 Black (MI)37.31 Michigan Jaguars 01 Green (MI)37.30 2001 Tennessee SC Showcase (TN)37.01 Legends FC 01 Academy (CA-S)36.91 AZ Arsenal 01 Premier Teal (AZ)36.84 EGA 01 Maroon Omaha (NE) 36.80 Rebels SC 01 Elite (CA-S)36.73 PacNW 01 Maroon (WA)36.72 Greater Binghamton FC (NY-W)36.53 Fullerton Rangers 01 White (CA-S) 36.33 Fever United (TX-N)36.19 United FA 01 Premier (GA)36.17 CUP Gold 01 (OH-S)36.06 USA Stars Academy 01 (CA-N)35.98 Nationals Unions 01 Red (MI)35.96 Arlington SA 01 Red (VA)35.92 BRYC Elite Academy 01/02 (VA)35.70 Sting East 01 Dunstan (TX-N)35.57 FC Frederick 01 (MD)35.35 NJ Stallions 01 Freedom (NJ)Top ECNL non- Region 1 teams above 36.0039.60 SO CAL BLUES ECNL (CAS)38.68 FC DALLAS ECNL (TXN)38.42 CONCORDE FIRE SC ECNL (GA)38.38 DAVIS LEGACY SC RED (CAN)38.22 TOPHAT SC ECNL (GA)38.00 STING SC DALLAS ECNL (TXN)37.93 SOLAR SC CHELSEA ECNL (TXN)37.85 ECLIPSE SELECT SC ECNL (IL)37.89 OHIO ELITE SA ECNL (OS)37.77 WEST COAST FC CA ECNL (CAS)37.75 OHIO PREMIER ECNL (OH)37.65 MOUNTAIN VIEW LOS ALTOS ECNL (CAN)37.58 MICHIGAN HAWKS ECNL (MI)37.39 SLAMMERS FC ECNL (CAS)37.29 WEST FLORIDA FLAMES SC ECNL (FL)37.24 MUSTANG SC ECNL (CAN)37.05 REAL SO CAL ECNL (CAS)37.03 JACKSONVILLE FC ECNL (FL)37.02 VARDAR ECNL (MI)36.96 DE ANZA FORCE ECNL (CAN)36.94 SC DEL SOL ECNL (AZ)36.88 DALLAS TEXANS ECNL (TXN)36.88 CHARLOTTE SA ECNL (NC)36.81 EAGLES SC ECNL (CAS)36.73 LONESTAR SC ECNL (TXS)36.70 WASHINGTON PREMIER FC ECNL (WA)36.68 ECLIPSE SELECT SC ELITE ECNL BLACK (IL)36.66 CHALLENGE SC ECNL (TXS)36.63 ST LOUIS SCOTT GALLAGHER SC MO ECNL (MO)36.59 MINNESOTA THUNDER ACADEMY ECNL (MN)36.52 SAN JUAN SC ECNL (CAN)36.39 REAL COLORADO ECNL (CO)36.57 CASL ECNL (NC) 36.35 SPORTING BLUE VALLEY SC ECNL (KS) 36.31 SAN DIEGO SURF SC ECNL (CAS)36.28 ARSENAL FC ECNL (CAS)36.27 TSC HURRICANE ECNL (OK) 36.02 INTERNATIONALS SC ECNL (ON)
Big ouch for classics club today4 games 4 losses
Matchfit beat PDA 2-0 and today tied PF 2-2.....would that rank them above them both?
PF tied again?
Mf is a complete disaster scrounging for players. They beat pda only because pda didn't play all starters. Mf over their heads this season
Other blogs say it all
Is it true that LC left NJX mid season? Are both her daughters playing for PDA shore? Will she coach there too?
7:39PDA had their guns that game. And were competing fully to win.PDA was confused offensively with Match Fit's midfield and back line.It wasnt pretty.Some parents were muttering how poorly their (PDA) team played - that it was a bi of a fluke, but aggressive pressing vs "build from the back" teams will cause that at times.Credit Match Fit - and stop with the mythology, 7:39. Your team was BEAT. Own it. And hope to be better vs MF next chance you get
I have watched MF. They are a good club. Do they have ups and downs. Of course. What club doesn't? I am not a MF parent. I just see holes in all of them, including my kid's. You have to ask yourself. Is your kid developing? Is she improving? Is she learning the game more every week? If so, then that is why you are shelling out the big bucks. If not, then a change may be in order.
10:22 - Agreed. Coaches need to be aware of the teams they are playing in aggressive playing vs. build from the back and plan accordingly. And, the kids have to be able to do what is expected of them. I see a lot of ball watching going on. Maybe it is just my observation.
Teams have bad games! 1 game no need to pass judgement.
ECNL Scores not reportedMay 20thAlbertson SC ECNL U16 vs FSA FC ECNL U16MAY 21stWNY Flash Academy ECNL U16 vs World Class FC ECNL U16Albertson SC ECNL U16 vs Connecticut FC ECNL U16Penn Fusion SA ECNL U16 vs Continental FC ECNL U16East Meadow SC ECNL U16 vs FSA FC ECNL U16Pts (games to be played)Champions League34 (4) FC Stars of Massachusetts ECNL U1625 (5) Boston Breakers Academy ECNL U1623 (6) PDA ECNL U1621 (5) FC Bucks ECNL U1618 (6) Penn Fusion SA ECNL U16Wildcard18 (6) Connecticut FC ECNL U1617 (5) Match Fit Academy ECNL U16North American Cup12 (7) Albertson SC ECNL U16
NPL Northeast Girls League 2016-2017Scores not reported:Sat, May 13, 2017PDA North 01 NPL vs PDA South 01 NPLSat, May 20, 2017World Class FC 01 NPL vs PDA North 01 NPLSun, May 21, 2017Albertson Fury 01 NPL vs Connecticut FC 01 NPLFC Bucks 01 NPL vs Match Fit Academy 01 NPLPenn Fusion SA 01 NPL vs Continental FC 01 NPLFC Boston 01 NPL vs FC Stars 01 NPLPts (games to be played)22 (3) FC Stars 01 NPL 19 (4) World Class FC 01 NPL 19 (2) PDA South 01 NPL 18 (2) Connecticut FC 01 NPL 17 (4) PDA North 01 NPL 14 (4) Match Fit Academy 01 NPL
NYCSL NPL 2016-2017Scores not reported5/7/2017STA NPL-01 vs Princeton NPL-015/14/2017Manhattan NPL-01 vs NJ Stallions NPL-0105/21/2017SUSA NPL-01 vs Massapequa NPL-01New York SC NPL-01 vs Manhattan NPL-01Brentwood NPL-01 vs Quickstrike NPL-01NJ Stallions NPL-01 vs Princeton NPL-01Pts (games to be played)18 (3) SUSA FC NPL-0115 (3) Princeton SA NPL-0111 (1) NJ Crush FC NPL-0110 (3) Manhattan Soccer Club NPL-018 (3) STA NPL-017 (5) NJ Stallions Academy NPL-016 (3) Brentwood Youth Soccer Club NPL-015 (3) Massapequa Soccer Club NPL-012 (4) New York Soccer Club NPL-012 (2) Quickstrike FC NPL-01
NOW today's mf team showed up. Lol. I feel bad for any parent shelling money out for that team
The FC Bucks 01 team is one of the better teams in the NE division. 2-2 draw vs. PF and 0-2 vs. FCB isn't a bad showing. Not as good of a showing as when MF beat PDA 2-0, but still not bad.
Give it time. With the amount of good quality girls leaving to pursue other avenues MF will fall further. I'm certain the DA will hurt them. Add the asinine coaching into the mix and you have the perfect storm lol The pda tourney should be good to sit back and watch
4:23 Bad day today for Classics club teams, but most likely caused by some of the players have already mentally checked out since tryouts. Those that know they are DA bound have nothing to prove and those that are not DA bound could care less. Classics 01's lost 4-1 to a 1776 team that is a combined 01/02 team that carries committed players and even more importantly, a committed coach (and a mom that scares the hell out of everybody). Every so often, team continuity pays off.
Not bad? 2-2 and 0-2 is not good. FCB aren't great but def better than MF. Beating PDA was an upset and upsets happen but that doesn't make them a good team. im not saying they are a bad team but 5-4-2 is not a great record.
PDA 4 - Boston Breakers 2
I heard NJX is breaking up as the heavy coach took some girls to PDA Shore and everyone is jumping ship trying not to be the last one standing. Its a shame both mom-mangers could not get along.
4:44Match Fit gets the players that have been waiting for ECNL slots to open upThe top of the NPL/EDP
Hi 8:55,PA Classics were big and strong but were not fast and quick. You can't win if you get beat to the ball. I can't speak for whether they were checked out or not but they definitely gave up in the second half. They were soundly beat 4-0 and i don't think anyone who saw the game would deny it. If they have any notions of playing college soccer, I would hope that they wouldn't ever say that they just didn't care about winning a State Championship. That doesn't bode well for their resilience as players.It is true that 1776 have a strong coach, but more importantly they have have played a much harder schedule this year, so they were better prepared and their shut-outs throughout the tournament attest to that. I would also like to say that the PAC coach was a class act at the end and they are clearly a quality team.One other comment is that I see a lot of hate for PF and other teams. Fact is that PF suffers from having too many good players but an inability to provide the level coaching and competition for the riches they have. Like many clubs, if you don't make the top squad, you are just considered part of the subscription pool and they don't try to get you seen by D1. But make now mistake, despite losing 0-9 to So Cal Blues, they are a really strong team.The other thing I would say is that there is a lot of anxiety on this board about which team is better and which league is better. The fact is that we tend to forget that the regional rankings between say # 10 and # 26 is about a one goal probability, which as we all know, is easily overcome on any given day. Chances are your daughter is a pretty damned good player -- as is that team she is playing against, so have some due respect for everyone here.
2-2 vs. PF and 0-2 vs. FCB on the road was not nearly as good as the weekend they beat PDA 2-0. Some weekends are better than others.
10:10PAC parent here...Your post was well written and accurate. Good analysis.I think we had 2 shots on goal?
@10:11I would suggest that judging your team off of one win may not in fact be the most appropriate metric of how good they are. How about the 4 losses versus 5 wins. I am not saying they are a bad, bad teams don't beat top teams. What I am saying is they are mediocre (5-4-2). Not every team in a league can be good/great. Just using normal distribution would suggest top 3 are good, bottom 3 are bad, middle are mediocre.
I am not sure I agree entirely with 10:25 but more so that at least bottom 5 are really not good and I might include PF in top group, albeit they are struggling recently. The rest are definitely average ECNL teams which in itself is not a bad thing.
10:33 I have one question for you. If the bottom 5 are bad and we remove another 5 Penn Fusion, PDA, FC Stars, Boston breakers and World Class from the equation since their 1st teams will be GDA and their NPL teams will become ECNL. Is average still a good thing as they will become the TOP.GDA top of the pyramid.2 Options after that for teams to play Nationally - which is better depends on who you ask. US Club >> ECNL >> NPL >> National CupUS Youth Soccer >> National League >> Regional League >> NCSActually 3 - If we include Super Y
Using Youth Soccer RankingsScore - number of region 1 teamstier 1 39+ - 1 teamtier 2 38-39 - 2 teamstier 3 37-38 - 5 teamstier 4 36-37 - 17 teamstier 5 35-36 - 32 teamstier 6 34-35 - 49 teamsTop 31 MCLEAN YS ECNL (VA) 2 FC STARS OF MASSACHUSETTS ECNL (MA)3 BOSTON BREAKERS ACADEMY ECNL (MA)
5:07 - YSR is very informative as an overall view, but the ECNL league only cares about ECNL league games/league showcases. So, non-ECNL stuff, doesn't really come into play when you are looking at the ECNL breakdown for next year after the GDA seasons start. I would defer to poster at 1:00 as to the remaining teams/players in each conference.
Continuing and any new ECNL teams that are joining as of 8/1/17.
I know and the Non-ECNL teams only care about their NPL and State Cup results. Everything else is just a showcase just like the ECNL teams that's a given,they care about their results that get them the hardware just like ECNL. YST shows that their are levels of teams level 4 can hang with level 3 and levels,4,5,6 is any ones game (almost 100 teams are under 2 goal spreads. And it also shows that there are about 8 teams right now in the upper class.below is another update for those that like resultsUS Club National Cup XVI Westfield, INJuly 21-24, 20171. Connecticut Cup2. Florida Cup (IMG Academy '01)3. Hawaii State Cup (Hawaii Surf SC ’01)4. Maine Cup 5. Massachusetts Cup6. New Hampshire Cup 7. Rhode Island Cup8. New Jersey Cup (Princeton SA IGFA ’01 NPL)9. New York Cup 10. NorCal State Cup 11. Washington Cup12. Midwest Regional Minnesota US Club Cup Ohio State Cup 13. West Regional 14. Northwest Regional 15. Mid-Atlantic Regional Maryland Cup Pennsylvania Cup 16. Southeast Regional
9:43 - Then you're not familiar with ECNL. No hardware given out until last games of the season; post season. So ECNL isn't about the hardware at all. The other leagues collect those for every tourney, state cup, turkeyhill cup, soccer-thon.
Hardware = title.NCS advances to regional who advances to national 1 team from 13 statesECNL sends half their teams to national - seems a little easy no?Talk about participation awards.
ECNL Northeast Division14 total teams and 10 qualify for a event? WoW you need to be really good to qualify, no slip ups allowed5 Champions League 2 Wildcards 3 Showcase 4 did not qualify
7:13am, ECNL is a much stronger league at this point. It will change a bit after time with the DA. USYS is more or less rec level. The teams are lower level and the events put on by USYS are poorly run. That is why ALL the nations best clubs left for the ECNL years ago. Also, see below. You will see 4 teams advance to Nationals.ECNL:Each conference will have a certain number of automatic qualifiers based on the size of the conference. In total, twenty eight (28) teams per age group will earn automatic berths in the ECNL Champions League in this manner. Results in regular season conference games will also determine which teams qualify for wildcard consideration for the ECNL Champions League. An additional fifteen (15) teams will be in consideration for a wildcard berth in the ECNL Champions League based on their conference results. Of these fifteen (15) teams in the wildcard pool, the top four (4) teams based on points-per-game from ALL games played, conference and national event, will qualify for the ECNL Champions League. The U15-U17 ECNL Champions League Playoffs is a 32-team group-play, round-robin competition, followed by a knockout round. From group play, eight (8) teams will advance directly to a single game, single-elimination knockout match. The Playoff competition takes place over five (5) days. U15, U16, & U17 ECNL Champions League Playoffs take place June 23-27 in Rockford, IL.Upon completion of the Playoffs, four (4) teams, in each age group, will advance from the ECNL Playoffs to the ECNL Final IV/National Finals taking place July 7-8.U15, U16, & U17 ECNL Champions League Finals take place July 7-8 at San Diego Polo Fields
Okay Rec League USYS15 states god knows how many teams play for a state champiosnhip.15 champions 1 from each state plus Regional league Champion.Advanceto a 16team Regional Tournament where ONLY ONE teams advancesto the Finals.It's called earn your spot.ECNL 70 Clubs32 go to Champions League16 got toNorth American event16 go to show case event6 don'tplay for anything.That looks like participation awards and that is very much rec not very elite when everyone qualifies for something.That's what it was and know you have clubs like FC bucks and CFC Delco in position to run things since they will beplaying ve 5 very bad teams and PDA, BBA, Stars and WC B teams plus we removedPennFusion from the equation. Weaker league with participation awards vs Earn your place?Which one is rec again?
The current WPA, RI, WNY, VT, NH, ME, DE, WV and MA are all low low level teams at regionals. Those are community teams, rec teams. Often these states only have 1 team enter their state cup. Go back in time and look at USYS regional results prior to the start of ECNL and you will see that ECNL clubs were almost always the winners in every age group for girls. There were times that ECNL clubs were beating teams by 15 goals at USYS regionals. It was a waste of time, money and energy. Today states back out of USYS regionals every year before the event starts because they don't have enough players. Some teams can't even make it through the entire event and don't finish games in group play. USYS was a joke, and became a greater joke after the ECNL clubs left. Not to mention hosting USYS regionals on dirt fields in front of zero college coaches. This never happens at an ECNL event. The best clubs, the most college coaches, the best fields and the highest level. Upon completion of the ECNL Playoffs, four (4) teams, in each age group, will advance from the ECNL Playoffs to the ECNL Final IV/National Finals taking place July 7-8. This is the true National Champion.
Interesting 12:48? The WV team is playing at PDA this weekend. Didn't PDA accepts rec teams. ECNL just accepted clubs from WPA and WNY as did the GDA.VT, ME, DE I agree with. But a previous poster said ECNL Northeast has 5 bad teams out of 14 that's 36% compared to the 37% those states represent. Not seeing it. Prior to GDA I was an ECNL junkie and know I will become a GDA junkie. USYS and ECNL not that much of difference.Future ECNL clubsFlorid Elite won National league BlackTennessee SC came in 3rdBRYC was relegated from ERL EliteEGA came in 2ndNot a lot of dominance going on, let's see how they do in the ECNL.Beadling is better than the RiverhoundsGBFC is not a bad team1776 is not a bad teamFC Frederick is not a bad teamSJEB is not a bad teamNJ Stallions are not a bad teamKeep throwing dirt
PS My grammar sucks
10:10 That was a well written and well spoken post. Although I do agree that the Classics coach is a picture of class win or lose, I will disagree about the quality of the team itself. Have see two of their games this year and they never connected three passes in a row and in one game hardly even crossed midfield. 1776 is sort of proving that there is some merit to a team instilling a sense of continuity. On another note, is PDA Shore that bad? or was that the wrong score that was posted for them last weekend? PDA's too good of a club to have a team lose 4-0 to a PA team that didn't even get out of the first round of their state cup tourney.
10:54 I completely agree. Also, while I agree the big clubs went ECNL, it doesn't necessarily mean the best teams are ECNL. I've had kids in youth soccer for over two decades. Knowing so many people, and hearing their stories, I wouldn't go near ECNL. If you're good, you're good. Reach out to college coaches, go to their camps, and prove yourself. None of my kids ever switched teams (I know some people are forced to for various reasons). They learned the value of loyalty of players, as well as coaches, and yes, the value of earning your spot. They stuck with their teammates & learned to work through the struggles of being on the field with players who may not be considered elite. They learned to compensate, adjust & accept.... which is what they'll have to do in every aspect of life. From what I see, when I step back and look at the big picture, most of ECNL is a business, with a whole lot of politics thrown into the mix. The value of being part of a team (not just until you see grass that may seem greener), as well as the beauty of the game, have been lost. Evidence of the stress and tension of it all, is the tone of many of the comments here. We all want the best for all of these kids. Sometimes we do things correctly. Sometimes we don't. Full disclosure, I've been extremely lucky to have good experiences over the years, as far as coaches, parents, players, results, etc.
The below look like some really good games between ECNL and Region 1 teamsSJEB0-2 PENN FUSION SA ECNL 2-2 ALBERTSON SC ECNL2-0 BETHESDA SC ECNLPREMIER SC NAVY STRIKERS0-2 CONNECTICUT FC ECNL2-2 BETHESDA SC ECNL1-2 ALBERTSON SC ECNL17761-2 BETHESDA SC ECNL1-1 FC VIRGINIA ECNL2-4 ALBERTSON SC ECNL0-2 MCLEAN YS ECNL1-0 ALBERTSON SC ECNLVIRGINIA BEACH TRAVEL FC RED5-3 MARYLAND UNITED FC ECNL
7:13 - when did 25 solid and wildcards to maybe 30 become 1/2 of about 75 clubs to champions? Are there tiers of championship play? Sure. Just like there are tiers in other leagues. Unlike some other leagues, the teams don't start and stop in a designated bracket. It's all in and it all flushes out in the end.
10:54 - rec is the quality of play overall. Not every team of course, but overall. Yes. Quality isn't there. Watched a few NCS games and these were alleged high quality teams. It looked like high school overall. Good high school, but high school. Mostly it was kick and run. Not even direct long balls; just get it up there and someone should hunt it down. I am all for this too in a game to change it up; catch the opponent on their heels; but not almost every play.
1:07 - yes, PDA is including USYS and NPL teams, but not in their ECNL bracket because this is an ECNL event. That is why you can't collect those highly sought after Got Soccer Points. PDA opened it up to make more $$$. Why not if you have the availability and can schedule a tourney so your NPL and USYS teams in your club can attend and get some college coach face time too on your home fields.
1:41 I agree. Some of the teams playing in the NCS games were terrible. Gets much better in Regional competition, thankfully.
Something has to be said about a team that in there last 13 games have scored 62 goals and only let 7 in.
6:18 What team is that?
I really feel like beating the drum for ECNL over USYS at this age group is a little silly at this point. Sounds like insecurity. The focus at this age is getting in front of colleges of your choice and playing the best you can. Saying that all State Cup teams are rec league is simply trolling for attention. You are clearly just bored and are looking for a rise! I can assure you that many USYS girls are already on college coach's short lists -- so who cares that you think one league is better than the other? What does it matter? Plus, the DA is going to blow the ECNL up with yet another attempt to consolidate talent so all this 'my league is better than yours' nonsense is moot anyway.
Reading Rage PAE. 62 goals for 7 against in 13 games.
Games 27W-D-L 18-5-4Goals For 87Goals Against 30
10:40 Of course that's the goal for every kid from ECNL to Reading Rage. I agree but the compare is fun. ECNL was top of the pyramid now it is just the American league of Youth Soccer and the USYS National League is the National League two top leagues at the same level -one might have a few better teams but in the big picture it is the same.35.90 READING RAGE SC MORGAN if they didn't have that goal differential I would be worried. GAME HISTORY4-0 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY SHORE FUSION 34.609-0 UPPER 90 SOCCER TRAINING ACADEMY FURY 33.037-0 WEST SCHUYLKILL FC ATHLETICA (U18) 30.538-1 LOWER MERION SC SPRINGBOKS (U17) 29.069-0 SOUTHERN CHESTER COUNTY SA DRAGONS 29.995-0 WEST SCHUYLKILL FC ATHLETICA (U18) 30.535-1 MONTGOMERY UNITED SC FC BOMBERS 33.454-4 HARLEYSVILLE FC READY 35.362-1 JERSEY SHORE BOCA JUNIOR FC ELITE MANALAPAN 34.943-0 WEST WINDSOR PLAINSBORO MERCER FC SPURS 34.874-0 WEST WINDSOR PLAINSBORO MERCER FC SPURS 34.872-0 WILMINGTON HAMMERHEADS FC LADIES WHITE 34.510-0 SOUTH CENTRAL PREMIER SPIRIT 33.97
Have never heard of or ever seen these opposing teams....Good example of chasing points and not being challenged...
Am I missing something? GOS has two losses for their appearance at the College Player's Showcase (3/17):1-5 - West Coast FC ECNL 2001;1-4 - SD Surf ECNL Academy 2001Reading Rage 01's finished 4th in their bracket behind these two teams and another; with 8 GF and 9 GA's.
Hahahaha. Yeah, let's not include those. Classic.
Reading Rage were out in the first round of the PA State Cup tournament. Given the scoring, they probably have some talented strikers or a good coach or both. But, clearly they need to be challenged, as you can't be prepared to compete with strongest teams at crunch time if you are used to a weak schedule. My bet is that those players that are producing all those goals may be looking to go to a better team next year. If you look at the comment by 1:33PM above, you will see the State Champs, 1776, have played at least 5 different top ECNL teams this year. No, they didn't win much against them, but they were certainly ready for the PA State Cup afterwards. You have to challenge yourself if you want to get better. A huge GD over the season is only impressive if you are at the top of the YSR national rankings.
W 74-0 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY SHORE FUSION2-1 JERSEY SHORE BOCA JUNIOR FC ELITE MANALAPAN2-1 PENN FUSION SA NPL1-0 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY NORTH NPL2-0 FC BUCKS NPL 1-0 HBC SC SPARK1-0 HARLEYSVILLE FC READYT 74-4 HARLEYSVILLE FC READY0-0 SOUTH CENTRAL PREMIER SPIRIT1-1 SJEB RUSH ACADEMY 1-1 PENNSYLVANIA CLASSICS ACADEMY2-2 ROCHESTER FC 16U0-0 PENN UNITED FORCE FC1-1 FC BUCKS NPL L 52-3 PENN LEGACY BLACK1-4 SAN DIEGO SURF SC ECNL0-5 WEST COAST FC CA ECNL 1-5 PRINCETON SA NPL1-2 TRIANGLE FC ALLIANCE FUTBOL SELECTVS all other low level teamsW 12T 0L 0GF 64GA 3GD +61
8:21 look at their scoring 1.4 goals per game doesn't suggest talented strikers or good coaching vs EDP/NPL teams.They scored 5.3 vs lesser teams, most teams will do that.vs High level teamsW 0T 1L 3GF 3 GA 15SJEB RUSH ACADEMY SAN DIEGO SURF SC ECNLWEST COAST FC CA ECNL PRINCETON SA NPL8:21 not sure they would have any players that can impact an ECNL team.But you never know I'm just looking at game results. Actually playing the games that's another story
Can someone share their experience with Capt U?Trying to decide if paying for next step is worth it?Has anyone had an actual offer from one of the invites?
8:21 - i assume this is still Reading Rage 01's? I checked their bracket for Jeff Cup; next to last. Not a (on paper anyway) tough bracket and even there, not a top finish. Actually had a 0-0 draw with the 12th team/last team in the bracket.Congrats for their progression as a soccer team. They look like they are doing well and developing nicely. But, they may want to look to be challenged against tougher teams. If the real objective is to get better, that is what is necessary. And, you should insist this from your club/coach.If it's not and just to have fun and not be challenged (sometimes the harder games are not always fun), then continue as usual and enjoy it.
9:56 I have not but would imagine if the school was serious about an offer the player would know there was serious interest from the club coach or HS coach.My first time at the rodeo also.
Prior to State Cup Rage did play some good ECNL teams to get ready.Reading Morgan 01 vs. ECNLSan Diego Surf ECNL, 1-4 LWest Coast ECNL, 0-5 LContinental FC ECNL (scrimmage) 0-3 L
9:56Pay for a recruiting service won't help you. You can email the college coach just like a recruiting service can email a college coach. NO college coach wants to get an email from a recruiting service. If you want to be recruited then get on a team with a club coach that has a background with college recruiting and knows the college coaches. You better do it soon if you are a 2019 or older as you are running low on time to play D-I.
11:43 - nobody counts scrimmages. They are experiments/practices. Pretty shallow of you to throw that out there. Looks like you were just trolling for some press. Drop the balloons at another time.
To the Rage parent, coach, member, fan who posted the note originally, did you really expect them to be lauded? On this blog? It's brutal. No one gives virtual high fives here. Put it in your club newsletter if that's what you envisioned.
There is one thing going on at Rage and that is individuals making sure they are getting paid. You will get strung along and milked for every dime and after your kids senior year of high school all you will have are meaningless tournament trophies collecting dust on a shelf. Get out while you can. Classics DA is the best option for good players in the Reading area.
12;16 you lie - I always give props. Are you telling me their game log is the same as say 1776 from PA? or IGFA from NJ, Frederick from MD, Beach from VA or SUSA NPL from NY? See I just gave props to a team from each state.
12:38 -- That is a great comment! Props to you! Group Hug!
@12:38. Liquid lunch have we??? And, looks like you gave yourself a post prop immediately thereafter. btw - props means respect not name dropping. The post you RAGED on about Rage said they probably needed to have more soccer street cred to receive any props. And, they do. Not sure you read the recent posts stating with 5/23 at 6:18. Seems like the poster wanted some atta boys for Rage and that's not what they got.
This conversation leads to another question. For non-ecnl and even ecnl teams, where are these competitive leagues everyone speaks of? Each league you look at has a top three or four teams that lay waste to the bottom three or four. Then there's a couple teams in the middle that can compete with the top teams for a half and then the roof caves in, and in turn they get their wins of each other and the bottom teams.With all the changes in girls soccer over the last two years, it has become so fractured that nobody knows where the next good league or teams will come from (other than PDA, their always consistent). Never before has players left clubs in such large numbers in the hopes of either being one of the center pieces or just to find play time minutes. Its easy for clubs to claim they have the best model available because every year there's a new prototype put out there. As for 12:38 saying that Classics DA is thing going, lets see where your thought process in six months. Maybe it will be the same, but how can you know when they haven't even had a practice yet and their coaches like to be paid as well.
Classics DA is closed bud...too late
I am very interested to see how these numbers change for the ECNL as the GDA will take credit for players playing in the GDA and post numbers just like the ECNL does.Currently the ECNL Class of 2017 Collegiate Soccer Players has 1,409 players or an average of 16.77 per team.Youth soccer tracks commitments also but they pout this disclammer "These are the commitments reported to US Youth Soccer and may not be complete". I'm guessing they leave this up to the teams to report. Looking at the U19/20 age group as this is the age going into college 2017 their total is 157 players or an average of 9.81 per team.The question is as GDA takes away from ECNL numbers will USYS cut into the difference currently 16.77 vs 9.81This goes with my previous post of the ECNL letting 76% of it's teams playing for title or I believe the term I used was "hardware"Comnpared to 38% of the 84 teams from their 4 Regional league 1st Divisions. Note the number is a lot less as This does not include State Cups and other avenues of qualification.The Big ECNL clubs did not like this as this gave the little guy a chance, made their own league closed it and said every club must field a team in an age group regardless of how good they are. Put together a few showcases and all the college coaches flocked to the events as you had all the big clubs together. This is all going to change next season with the GDA
Now I am answering my post as I forgot something. The same big clubs have made agrrements with NWSL and MLS clubs now. Leaving the ECNL a league of Big club B teams and the next level club A teams. Very much like the USYS NL. I think the numbers will be the same from a college commitment point of view and it really doesn't matter where your kid plays as long as the team is good, your kid is good and they play in either the GDA, ECNL or NL.
3:03 - Please know that the third level tier in ECNL post season play is entitled "Showcase" because that is all it is. It's an invite to compete against others in that bracket and showcase for the many coaches that attend the ECNL post season events. Many don't consider this anything other than what it is just an opportunity to showcase. I would hardly put this in the same category as Champions or even North American Cup.
3:03 - who cares? As you finally said in your next post, you play where you play. And, if you get seen, great, if not, walk on. See, not as many words.
3:03 - and yes, GDA will take credit for all players leaving to play in college wearing it's crest. That's what the other leagues do as well. The last club shirt/league emblem on gets the credit.
@3:30 - hahahahaha. Agreed. Yeah, who is going to tell US Soccer/THE Federation that they can't take the credit?
2:20 Everyone knows Classics DA is closed. They have managed to fill their roster with some of the best "B" team players, low work ethic players and slow footed players they could find. How could they possibly fit anymore on there? The good news is your defensive backs and keepers will really be able to showcase their skills throughout the year and your mids will be able to show how well they work back on defense too.Your 02 team got hammered at Jeff, and really has shown no real improvement since then. Yet Classics deemed that this team was worthy of 7 players to add to their DA team. But of course they did redeem themselves and added some stellar 01's from their less than average 01 team and of course those awesome 01 "B" team players. Basically Classics could hold three more tryouts and still no one would tryout. You have a right to hold your head high as the smell that comes from whats going on there is pretty bad.
Jesus, dude. Lighten up. You are talking about kids here. Have a little bit of maturity.
Sounds like Tino is worried players will go to PAC .
sounds like a bitter 01 PAC parent whos kid didn't make the DA
10:10 - no, he's worried they will want to come to PF. chuckle, chuckle sorry. couldn't resist. And, agreed. 8:57 if you want to rail on that club, okay. But, wow lighten up on the kids.
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