So, if that's true, then there should be some spots available for new recruits.
As was mentioned earlier , TM makes his recruiting calls and offers his incentives ( playing time, position , , playing up, practicing up , attending training center, ID camp , acceptance into the Westown School ) before tryouts even take place . Tryouts are usually just a formality and nothing more .
Well my families' experience says otherwise. Shall I repeat in an hour as well?
And, players attend and are successful in many more schools other than Westtown. But, you seem to have SO much more information than those in the Club.
Here's a question.Any one on here ever have to fill out a coach evaluation?Curious...do the clubs want to know how coach is doing or is it all about results? I've been hearing alot of player blaming but whatever happened to a coach being removed when the team doesn't do well?
Sounds like 1am is still upset about his teams 9-0 beat down in AZ
Oh yeah 7:20, that must be it. Hahahaha. Wrong. But, thanks for playing.
9-0 is what's actually funny ! What a disgrace !
PA Soccer.1. PF GDA top of the pyramid 9-0 or what ever not going to change. Top 20 players from the 2002 and 2001 age group plus PAC as another equal option2. Players not making this team can stay and might get GDA not when team goes to 2002 and 2003 for one team and 2001 and 2000 for the other team the following year or try their luck at PAC.3. Players looking to play ECNl will have CFC Delco as an option since it looks like they will play in Dowington or FC Bucks.4. Players on other clubs that play ODP might make the jump and will take spots away. Players with siblings that are elite might make the jump as a package deal5. Other top players might start looking at clubs playing NL as that will be the only other option with an opportunity to play at the National level.6. others will stay local continue to train hard working on skills and attending college ID camps.You see an option for everyone, I'm sure other states are set up the same way.
Fair analysisEither way, gda clubs will take a awhile to buildUp to each to choose their path
Speaking of classics. My daughter wants to tryout there and has registered. the coach is listed as "tbd". All we're told is it will be announced soon but tryouts start this weekend.I'm a little leary of the existing coach after observing the team play so hoping it's not himAnyone with inside scoop?
It's not CC the current 01 coach nor is he an existing Classics coach.
11:04The problem is it's lies. Yes your kid may get him to recommend her for a tc but he will also have a hand in cutting her soon after. Playtime, position guarantees? Expect that to last about 3 games if that. Don't believe me? I say good luck. Seen it happen many many times.
11:37 lol for what?11:40 so do you know who it is? Worth switching clubs?
11:52 Depends. What club is your daughter at now? If she wants to play top level next year there are two choices. PF or Classics.
Saw the coach evaluation comment. This has merit. Has anyone had to fill out one other than for high school?
Coach evaluation is very funny. They are not well liked most of the time from my experiences. Let them be tough on your daughter and grow up a little bit is what I say. The evaluation would have to be mostly written in the end, so parent can explain their situations. Anonymous as well
11:04 You are correct , I've seen it happen many times as well . TM likes to play God . I've never been a big fan of his . He's very untrustworthy .
PF in general is untrustworthy. CS is just as bad a TM. If your kid is top 5 on team she will be fine. Beyond that you will see what people are talking about here. For next years DA team his top 5 already know who they are. The rest have one job. Get the ball to those 5.
Untrustworthy??? Are you serious? They are some of the best coaches in the soccer world. And have very good reputations with other clubs as well as college coaches. Either your kids didn't work out and you are saucey or you just don't understand the green grass. Either way, hopefully you are moving to another team that will best suit your needs. Btw - your/her spot will be gone in seconds.
Either you are too new or one of the fools who are currently falling for the lies. Or youre a coach. I'm sure any spot will be filled. Then next year replaced. Because THATS how it goes at PF.
9:43 - clearly you are not happy with how this is playing out. Plenty of soccer out there. Need to have reasonable expectations though. That is the biggest problem in all youth sports. Kids top out. Parents need to realize that. And some need therapy as well.
Oh and btw none of your list. Just someone who has been through all of this before and knows the deal. Need to see it for what it is; otherwise, YOU may take the fun out of it for your kid too. Sometimes a change is exactly what is needed; fresh eyes; fresh ideas; all of it.
Oh and the therapy comment was meant for the parent(s) not the kids.
Seems like some not happy. 8:54 - so what if the top on the team know who they are? That is how it works on most sports teams. That's not unique to any one club or sport; despite your assumptions. The players who stand out; know they do. You can't hide top scorers; top w/assists; top creators of chances; top defenders; top net minders. They pretty much are easily detected in all games. AND, also easily detected, the kids who dial down their play; don't go to the ball, don't make the runs, make repeated turnovers, check out during plays, don't show for the ball, etc.
Not a previous poster - just reading the recent posts. I'll add my honest two cents. Penn Fusion is frustrating and this may be the year my daughter decides to look elsewhere. No she is not a benchwarmer. They have one coach who I do like but he isn't either of the two in recent discussion. Those two knuckleheads don't give a damn about development. Many of the current 01 parents are desperate for their daughter to have a new coach after having the same one for 5 years. He is set in his ways, has his favorites and refuses to give opportunities to other players who are deserving.
See, spots will be available. Go to the try-outs people. And, despite this person's post, I saw the game in Phoenix. Coach wasn't dialing it in. Some of the players did.
Welcome to the world of capitalism and competition. Your daughter either rises to the top or she begins to fade away. Yes the coaches can have some of the blame but most of the work is up to your daughter.There is NO allegiance to your daughter if she has been with same club for many seasons. A coach will always get a stiffy when he sees a new girl and feels he can "steal" her from another club.As a parent of player in GDA club, my daughter has stood out for many seasons but I also see the coach's excitement as new players show up for training prior to our tryouts.Some coaches develop and sustain their team, others chase the new and exciting flavor of the month.
Next years coach at PF for the DA just led his current 01's to a whopping 9-0 loss in Phoenix! That should be enough to scare most away right there. 9-0 is inexcusable.
Well, as a parent of a kid who switched clubs, it was her choice. She wanted the better players around her to challenge her and make her better. And, they have. She wanted the better overall coaching for improvement. It has. So, she and I were just as excited about her choice of "new and exciting flavor" as they were about her. You are not at another club's training unless you and they have interest. That's how the soccer suitor world works. And, there was no stealing; especially when fees are involved. Her new club is better for her; hands down. It was spending money more wisely as a consumer.
7:42 - seems like you don't understand. Kids gotta play. Coach didn't do this. Kids did.
And, guess what, that game was still packed with coaches. I am sure they are waiting to see how that team responds.
We are talking 9-0. You're saying the coach has no responsibility there?!?!
Im pretty sure any coach there was writing down the numbers of those players who were demolishing PF.
11:55 - classic. After 5 years, it's not the kids, it's the coach. But, I stayed for 5 years because of the coach. Love it. btw, I know other kids even some within that club that would love to have that team's coach. Kids that play on his teams get invites to NT and more.
7:55 - you would think, but not the case.
Keep drinking that Kool-aid
8:08 - no kool aide, fact.
IMO any PF defender who lets their team get beat 9-0 is obviously get out played by far superior competitors . Which tells me they are no where near the top 1%. Kind of pointless to go DA and give up your life for a pipe dream
Finally, one thing you said that is correct. In YOUR opinion. Saw somewhere about empty barrels making the most noise. Kinda fitting.
How does the ball get to the defenders dimwit?Blaming one line of players is ridiculousHow about I say that it's obvious that the forwards and midfielders suck because they didn't keep the ball up attacking? Did they have any shots on goal?Hope you're not a coach
8:44 - Spot on.Probably worse, a player's parent who fancies him/herself a coach or expert.
lets face it , the whole team sucked !
Yep. That day, not good.
Common complaint at the highest level, " If your kid is top 5 on team she will be fine. Beyond that you will see what people are talking about here. For next years DA team his top 5 already know who they are. The rest have one job. Get the ball to those 5". That's everywhere. See it's impossible to keep every family on an 18-20 player roster happy.If you make the bottom 5 on the roster happy because you give them half of every game you make the other 15 families unhappy. Players 1-5 are unhappy because they think if the bottom 5 got 10 minutes or less per game the team would be more successful and they would therefore appear more attractive in US soccer's and top 20 college coach's eyes. The middle 10 don't like the bottom 5 stealing time from them and limiting their exposure. If you play the bottom 5 10 minutes a game, then their families often are absolutely furious and become poison. They even sometimes tell the other parents that the coach "hates" their child, is trying to ruin their future, is frankly an evil person. This poison spreads and half the team buys into the theory that the coach is evil. The team may even be less successful because the unrest spreads to the kids and everyone's enjoyment is affected. The happiest group however remain the top 5. Especially if the coach is actually yelling to the other players get the ball to V, W, X, Y or Z and they are showing well. So the vast majority of coaches decide that their best chance of success is to basically minimize the PT of the bottom 5 as much as they can before running into the poison situation if possible. Some parents lean toward poison and the threshold for setting them off is very low. If he's very, very, lucky the bottom 5 have pretty sane parents who are telling their kids to play hard and decide if they want to switch to another, clean slate, team next year. How many of PF players 10-15 are thinking of witching to PA classics or CFC to try for player 1-5?
I think this is the complaint in every club. The grass always looks greener. Sometimes it really isn't. I read complaints about all the other clubs in PA, MD, NJ, NY, etc. Same thing different parents and locations and leagues. So, is it the clubs or the parental expectations especially at this age? Little mia who was the star at U13/U14 may not be the same star at U16+. Parents have a tough time accepting the plateau. And, then put unrealistic demands on their child. Poor kids are getting pressure from coaches and parents and peers. And, they pressure themselves. Remember, kids are breakable. THe pressures they feel at this age are real. It's still supposed to still be fun you know. Don't take that away.
Tryout season is approaching! Are there any teams looking for players?
Top 5 players are already set at PAC too. It's obvious anywhere.
PF 01 is a decent team. Not amazing, not terrible. They were just out of their league playing So Cal. I wasn't surprised they were shut out but I was surprised they let 9 goals in. I would love to hear what happened that game. Obviously there's a PF parent here so care to share any insight?
Depends, 12:44Is she any good?Outside mid with wheels,maybe?
All PF players in the 10-18/20 range have to be looking to leave. Some of them know they will be replaced and the others know that even if they make the team, they will be riding the bench due to DA rules. In that case, I think you have to think really hard about moving to PAC or CFC
CFC is really good, always has been. PAC has had some rough times. I can tell you the coach makes all the difference. coaches cut, take on new girls, tell new girls parent she cannot be on team. She will only play half the matches. They have to adjust at half time. Do physical training, have a great goal keeper, I mean a great goal keeper at this age is needed. Many girls are same talent level, it just depends on how you coach, train, and again, what girls you take or cut.
@4/21 10:21amYour comments are spot on. Every point you made matches what I have witnessed in youth soccer.
CFC just brought on a new DOC from arguably the top youth soccer club in the country and are putting the finishing touches on a new first class all turf complex at the Proving Grounds. Great training from numerous top level coaches. PAC on the other hand is a great boys club.
And soon to be equal for the girls with the addition of the GDA. "Tbd" coach is said to be fantastic and they just added another turf field last year.
Well 7:52 we got to see how PF responded after that 9-0 loss. They lost again today in Boston. On the bright side seems like they'll be lots of open spots for the DA team. What they should be doing is replacing the coach.
9:34Turf sucks - or haven't you heard?
Grass fields are great if they are professionally maintained and you only play a couple games on them on the weekend, but they simply don't hold up to the rigors of daily training. Turf fields were a requirement for ECNL clubs as well as Boys DA for a reason. I've been to some immaculate grass complexes down south but here in the northeast they are few and far between. I've always felt crappy grass fields favored kick and run teams where as turf favors good passing teams. Guess that's why my daughter prefers turf.
CFC just brought on a new DOC that will have to focus on the boys and the verdict is still out on whether he will be able to handle the current mess. As for first class all turf complex at the Proving Grounds, the CFC ECNL program will be moving back to USTC. They will be more or less the B program for the PF GDA. There is going to be an effort to phase out boys and girls ECNL programs at the Proving Grounds and build the young teams out of USTC. They still will be using turf if that makes you happy.
@949 LOL with your alternative factsClearly you do not understand the role that Tee's plays in this and the eventual 4-6 additional turf fields that will be built there in the next two years.Still reeling from your most recent losses?Let the tears flow.They're barely teenagers.But, keep chasing those wins at the cost of development.Let me know how that works out.....
1:05 Top five players set at PAC??? I'm guessing your considering your daughter in that group? Gotta love the parent that knows everything yet in reality knows very little. You might know five girls that are headed to PAC and will most likely make the team, but you haven't a clue who the top five will be when that team plays its first game (or even at tryouts).
Got to see Jersey Shore Boca play today and they play a pretty good brand of soccer with a strong center mid a solid defenders. Do they have age groups all the way through as Boca or a result of smaller clubs coming together? Good parents on the sideline too (most anyway).
Another PF loss . 2-0 today . What's going on with that team ? Still think your girls are that 1% ?
Gotta love coach mommy and coach daddy self promoting at BOCA again. That team has changed clubs 4 times and I think their players and parents finally realize mommy coach and daddy coach are looking out for their own first and don't have pipeline of college coach connections. Two of their better players has been seen trying out together at a few clubs and they will not attract players with parents who know what is needed to get their kids seen by coaches. They have not done much at all in this season (fall and spring) nor did they go to Disney or CASL and based on their performance this year they won't be there next year either.
and CS is next years PF DA coach too. Why? Great walking advertisement they have going on there. 3 straight losses including one blowout. No wonder they have already offered out DA spots. Gotta get those commitments before anymore losses!!!
CFC girls teams and the boys ECNL are moving back to USTC. The parents have already been told in the town hall meetings. The teams 2002 and younger will train and play out of USTC. Alternative facts would be something other. People at CFC are being told the younger teams will play out of USTC. What isn't an alternative fact is that FC Europa and Lower Merion are playing out of Proving Grounds too. Proving Grounds will rent field to any group that wants to pay. What is a fact is that CFC owns a nice chunk of USTC. They own at USTC, not rent which is big. It's only a matter of time before CFC and PF come together and play our of Chester County.
8:35 Boca mommy and daddy coaches did win their bracket at NEWS this year, so they must have done something right. You can rip them all you want, but those girls play hard for them. Lost to a PA team today, but even in defeat they played hard right to the whistle. 9:17 in dreamland. Please let me know when anything said at a town hall meeting actually equals truth in the following year. The PF director has told NPL parents every year how its an opportunity for players to move up to the ECNL team (Zero girls so far in three years). How many times has the CFC coaches told parents that most of their practices would be held at USTC and just the opposite happened (every year. By the way, I have this car for sale and I'll give you a great deal on it (all highway miles) What would PF have to gain from a badly mismanaged club like CFC? Plus having PF give up their girls ECNL tag is sauce for the goose for a club like CFC.
PF GDA will be A-level and CFC Girls and boys ECNL will be B-level. CFC Boys DA play at a higher level than PF boys ECNL, so CFC DA is the A-level and PF boys ECNL the B-level. PF GDA will play at a higher level than that of the CFC girls ECNL, so PF GDA is A-level and CFC ECNL is B-level. It is pretty simple.NPL players at CFC and PF won't make the ECNL teams because they are low level players. They won't play ECNL. Right now there is an obligation for both CFC and PF to have NPL teams. So the parents are told that their child might have a shot of moving up to the ECNL team. Both clubs tell the parents that, however it isn’t a reality. NPL is a waste of time and money. As for USTC and Proving Grounds, maybe you can ask someone in person at CFC in two weeks at tryouts about the location of training and games next year. The tryouts that are taking place at....ummmm.....USTC...strange, why would they be holding tryouts at USTC for the first time in three years? Must be dreamland..
Yes BOCA won bracket #4 at NEWSS. Teams were not exactly world beaters.
8:35 pm which parent on the team are you? Just wonder since you think you know so much? If you are in the team please leave now! Is your kid one of the kids who has NO commitment and never show to practice? Please leave NOW we don't want you. Otherwise zip your lip because you are clueless
Daughter coouldn't make first tryoout last night...how was turnout at classics? New "tbd" coach around yet?
Classics coach will surely be better then CS from PF . What a mess his team is right now .
Approximately 170 there.
I'll say one thing. Penn Fusion may have more depth to pull from for their DA team but hands down Classics has the better DA coach!
170??Are you counting both 02 and 01 I take it?Perhaps PF existing team know what cuts are coming and their mental game has gone with it?Who is new coach at classics?
@9:17https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1KjhIQKQpeU4ugX4nkNukcaRq5Q-DA8ViL7eEOIkEiA0/edit#gid=466099751Anyone can go to the CFC website and look up their field schedules. If they have tryouts in one location, that means they need to send all the practicing teams to the other location....Simply put, West=USTC and East=Proving GroundsYou will notice the U16 tryouts are May 1st and 2nd at USTC.All the fields at PG are full.What you heard at the town hall meeting is that one practice each week will be at USTC, one will be at PG, and there will be a functional practice to be held at the location of your choice. However, if location is an issue for say, players coming from Jersey or from NE Philly, a team can still have all training sessions at PG or vice versa if most players are out West. You obviously don't know 'why' certain teams rent from Tees and what kind of contract CFC has with the golfing center. But, keep spreading those alternative facts. Still trying to figure out why there is so much saltiness from the PF side of things trying to lay doubt and/or create chaos with CFC. You will be fine. Keep chasing those wins, they look great on your resume...
Why would PF and CFC merge again if it didn't work the first time??? PF doesn't need that mess.
Do you mean attempt a merge again? I think it would be a great idea and benefit both clubs as far as coaching and player pools and both have a good amount of fields and facilities. It could not happen previously most likely a big issue was that the DOC of Continental had accepted a position elsewhere. But since that position has been filled, maybe now talks will resume.
Why would CFC go out of there way to conduct a national search for Academy director, Technical director, and ECNL director if the plan is to merge??????It's also amusing that PF bought two of those roles.But, I'm sure they were properly vetted....
So who is this PAC mystery DA coach?
No one is saying there is a plan of a merger. It's just blogosphere speak. Would still need these heads even in a merger. A lot of leagues in those two clubs together, boys and girls.
Supposedly some new dude was there yesterday
Huh? New dude was where?
Classics is supposed to get this wonder coach for da
12:16 He is very qualified. The players will certainly be trained at a high level.
And his name is....?If he was there, why the mystery?
whoever the new classics DA coach is I'm sure he's got to be better than Craig S . from PF
So much love for the PF coaches. Tell me again what CFC has to gain from a merger?
Word on the street is Tino was a classics yesterday Just sayin
I here its a top guy from nj
3:27 - i know right? Venom. Funny what people say under the "anonymous said..." title.
Top guy from NJ??? I didn't know Classics was hiring the Boca Coach! So who let me guess who put out that Classics new DA coach is suppose to be legendary, hmmmm, maybe Classics themselves or the sewing circle that's trying out there. I see two combinations of parents on here, delusional and panicked. The delusional ones that think they have all the info and inside news (and of course their daughter will make the DA). Then there's the ones in a panic running to both Classic and PF DA tryouts and at the same time hoping if that falls through there's still CFC's ECNL team. Good luck to all and try to remember to let your daughter make the decision (you remember her don't you....your daughter)
If they are from Classics' area, maybe they are a quilt group instead of a sewing circle? lol
Could be doing circle jerk like you all?Classics is a future powerhouse
No TM wasn't at Classics last night. He was at confession. You know confessing to all his lies. He has to sleep somehow!!
Wow. Not sure what is causing your ulcer, but Buddy, you need to let it go. It's a sport.
German catholic?I think not
PF has obviously developed a widespread reputation for being an honest club focused on development of all it's players. Duhhh.
8:52 Future powerhouse?? You mean powder puff house! Your DA will be second rate at best and how good you think your secondary teams will be after those players get told they not good enough to be on the DA team? You think the next level of good players parents will stay there after their little Porcelain and Mercedes just received notice they weren't quite good enough to make the DA? Keep smoking that Lancaster County grass that the cows are fertilizing daily and you can believe anything. The turnover rate for the boys DA at Classics in like a revolving door at Macy's at Christmas, why would it be any different for the girls?
Unless you have specifics as to what development is; it's a range. No club says I'm going to make your kid a super star. And, most clubs develop soccer players. The levels are different, but they kids do develop.
Classics DA will be the place to be .
How many goals has PF scored in their last 3 games? How many against? I'll help you. 0 for and 13 against. Worry about your own kids club.
While we're talking about players PF has "developed"? At tryouts last year they demoted or sent packing almost three quarters of the 02's and brought in all new players from other clubs (could be why that 02 club is actually a good team). Obviously they should have some other clubs develop some talent for their 01 team and then pirate that too, then they would have to endure 9-0 losses like the did. So where is great learning of skills that PF has promoted as there own? National players Shea Moyer or Rachel Dowart trained by PF? Unfortunately no, both joined as sophmore's or Juniors, but PF still claims them as their own. Speaking of development, lets take a guess at how many of PF's Npl players were developed enough to move up to their ECNL team over the last three years? You guessed it! That number would be Zero. Wouldn't you think that as great as PF coaches are taunted to be, that at least one athlete could be trained and developed enough to make their own ECNL team? PF really does have a good thing going and colleges do believe in their product, but lets not kid ourselves on how they build it.
Baffled as to why they gave the DA team to CS? Because he's doing such a wonderful job now?????
What is your beef with PF? Clearly you have a personal issue. I don't care, I am just curious as your anger is personal and seems to revolve around NPL. I am sure if you went around to many ECNL clubs where they have NPL teams, too, many don't have players that elevate. Where you have too many ECNL teams around (NJ, PA, MD, VA, etc.) the NPL teams aren't drawing the higher level soccer players. So, they aren't playing the same talent overall. It just is what it is without dissing NPL as that is not my intent. But, you had to know this, right? So you thought your child would go from NPL to GDA or ECNL? Which? And, if you think she has progressed to ECNL, then take her to various try outs and see. You know there are other clubs out there if you don't like the one you are currently in. Or is that news to you as well?
9:38Wow, someone has sour grapes. Did little Bobby not make the da team in the last few rounds at classics or did you not like the amish store when you brought your sorry new york ass down here for the weekend to shop for real estate at a cheaper price??Also a lot of animosity in these blogs for PF. As a parent of a daughter hoping to make da team, competition, competition, competition...Much development is up to your own daughter....PF has been in it for the money and reputation. ECNL was the marketing route to go and they hit it big. Whether or not they developed or robbed the players, they can publish all the "commits" on their website and take credit for them.
These Amish comments are hurting my feelings. Please stop. lol what the hell? Are you 10?
6:34 There is absolutely no sour grapes with PF or any team for that matter. My daughter is doing great with the team she on and I truly hope all these girls facing a second straight year of transition, find the right fit for them. I do have get upset with parents that are foolish enough to not realize soccer is a business and these clubs will say anything to get your business (ours included). As mentioned in my last post, PF has done a great job with promotion of their product and bringing college coaches to the girls. Unfortunately many parents that brought their kids there as 12U players and spent big money for two or three years and thinking their kid was getting the best coaching, found out differently when tryouts came around. My point is that with a club like PF, you do need to spend that kind of money playing for them in the developmental years (12U-14U). If your good enough they'll take you over their current players anyway because money has no loyalty and this is a business. Often it seems that parents are the last ones to realize their kids ability level and where they peak out. There is nothing wrong with having your child play with a team that she feels comfortable with and can excel on, and more importantly PLAY IN THE GAME. That is where my sour grapes lie.
@ 7:39Sorry Jake, no offense intendedI'm short but I'm actually 12
7:39 - if your kid was getting no playing time, then why did you stay? There are too many club teams around anymore to not go elsewhere. And, all are happy to help out for a fee as well. As you noted, it's a business. But, if your kid is happy where she is then it's your issue it seems. Maybe a different sport would have been the way to go. It's never too late to try. Best of luck.
Man for some of you on here I hope your kid is going to be top 11 on that DA team later this year. College coaches will be attending DA games to scout individuals who have the talent to play at their school. Won't happen from the bench. Coaching matters and playing time matters. That's it. Bring those egos down and focus on what's best for her.
Coaching and playing time matter, but what matters even more is having a club coach that understands recruiting and has good connections. Without a coach that knows the landscape of college recruiting good players won’t have the same opportunities as a player with a coach that is respected by college coaches.
Right on! At this age, that's almost all that matters. And will her coach be her biggest advocate?
The PAC DA coach is a perfect fit then.
Why do I get the feeling 8:35 and 8:37 are the same person just agreeing with themself lol
8:39Really? Who is it?
Anonymous posts are awesome. You can carry on a convo with yourself for hours...
8:35Continuing on that track -what percentage of Division 1 girls soccer players do you think landed at their current school based on club coach contacts?How about D2 and D3?
1048Don't spread misrepresentations. Dorwart went to Penn Fusion in seventh grade as a u13 player playing up at u14.Julia Burnell u15YNT was a WCUSC B team player until u12Zandi u17 YNT was a WCUSC u9 player and onward.Moyer was trained by her dad until her FC Rev team graduated and then where did her dad think she'd get the best development until she went to PSU?NPL to ECNL. Seriously? ECNL is U14 and up. Many kids go from B team to A team during the elementary years and vice versa. By u14 the only kids making the level jump are a late to soccer uber athlete who needs better skills and tactical training or a technical physical late bloomer who needs time. But PF would take a project player like those and put her directly on the ECNL team and tell her play time may be limited until the development happens. That way they keep training and playing at the highest levels, speed their development process and usually see at least 30 minutes a game.Further all top teams by their nature cut and bring on kids. That's the nature of the pyramid. Yup my kids play in the club, one was a "project" and we have been very happy over the years.
@10:11Do you mean initiated by club coach or after college coach starts convo after watching your daughter?
All these PF stories are just proof that different players have different experiences depending on their ranking on the roster, end of story.So is this new coach at classics :)
1048 Oh the other thing to note on your post is related to your statement regarding the absence of NPL players promoted to ECNL rosters. Ummm that promotion would assume that the NPL player's development was accelerated over an existing ECNL player's development since said NPL player would have to replace an existing ECNL player whom she had eclipsed. No one is saying there is no good youth development happening in other clubs. But because of the pyramid, their frequently comes a time when the best players on the teams realize that the best opportunity for both their development (training with and competing against the best maximally accelerates development I think we can all agree) and exposure lies higher on the pyramid. Not surprising then that around 8th and 9th grade many teams, especially those at the top of the pyramid, experience significant player turnover. If many NPL players usurped ECNL players that would then suggest that the NPL coaches are much better player developers than the ECNL coaches. They are both good, but which club doesn't assign their best coaches to the top level teams?
Totally not surprised that there was a big turnover on the 02 team last year. First off all teams look way different this year because of the age change. The age change all but invited players both in the first half of the year to look to upgrade their level. No brainer and not any dis on PF that some great players showed up at their tryouts. merely a testimonial to the fact that these families thought that PF presented the best value in opportunity for their child.
Monday night will be exciting!!!
if you talking about tryout at pf, good luckteams already picked
It's true. Offers are out. It's just for show Monday night. New year, new DA, same PF!
http://www.widenerpride.com/news/2017/4/25/todd-wawrousek-steps-down-as-head-womens-soccer-coach-at-widener.aspxWho can figure it out first?
Just testing to see if this comment gets deleted as well?
Todd Wawrousek has built quite a resume as a coach on multiple levels and now has a chance to add to that as he was picked the new women's soccer coach at Widener University. Wawrousek was the women's soccer coach 17 seasons (1990-2006) at Gettysburg, leading the squad in its greatest run in school history. In compiling a 195-108-19 mark, he led the Bullets to seven NCAA Tournament appearances, two ECAC Tournament trips and five Centennial Conference titles. Wawrousek also in that stretch coached eight All-Americas, three Academic All-Americas and six Centennial Conference Players of the Year. Along with the aforementioned academic success, Wawrousek's teams consistently notched between a 3.0-3.35 GPA during his time. That will fit right in with Widener, which has been presented the NSCAA Team Academic Award the last three years for having at least a 3.0 team GPA and last fall had 15 student-athletes named to the Middle Atlantic Conference Fall Academic Honor Roll. Wawrousek, a three-time regional Coach of the Year and the 1992 Centennial Conference Coach of the Year, also served 11 years on the NSCAA All-America Committee and seven on the NSCAA Rating Committee. Wawrousek also was an assistant coach for Vancouver Whitecaps FC of the United Soccer League. He handled all first-team logistics, had a hand in the selection of new players on a global level, helped with video analysis, worked with community and corporate organizations, and helped in speaking engagements. The squad won the USL First Division North America title in 2008, made the final in 2009 and advanced to the quarterfinals in 2007.And there you have your Pa Classics GDA coach. Am I right?
O M GAre you actually comparing resumes??? Are you f...n kidding me?
Must be embarrassing to 2:28. Why shouldn't both resumes be reviewed? Do you not feel that's important?
Wawrousek is no stranger to PAC. He coached the PAC boys preacademy teams years ago. Preacademy was not a bad name in years past. Those teams held the majority of younger age group top players until they aged into academy. There used to be only 3 or so younger kids on the academy teams. I don't remember his being recognized as a super coach then. D3 resume isn't terribly impressive. Not impressed with this choice personally.
Yes a HS coach is much better! LOL One on a bad losing streak currently in the ECNL not to mention. Please who better to help with recruitment than a coach from the collegiate level!
And it's PAC for the win !!!!!! Just the same old, same old from PF .
Exactly. The same now for how many years exactly? Will this be 5 or 6 years under CS for most of those girls? Yikes.
Smart move PAC
10:41 - of course different kids have different stories depending on their ranking on the rosters at ALL clubs? Do you really think one is different than another?? Maybe you need to sample a few to find out. And, sometimes that is exactly what it takes. My kid was undervalued at her prior club. She wanted to make the leap to ECNL and she has been her own success story. She puts in the work. She wants to be better. She does the extra stuff to learn as much as she can. She does this; all of this. No matter where you are, the child has to be the one driving the bus. A good coach isn't going to tell to stop doing additional work/training as long as you are not over training. A good coach isn't going to prevent you from getting better; he/she will encourage it. But keep in mind, there are coaches out there that aren't good. But that doesn't mean that what works for others works for you. You have to find what works for you and your kid. All of this is very individual specific.
1:24 - any club, including PF is always looking for good players. Don't let the boards scare you. Of course in all clubs some kids will be coming back. They are the spine of their current teams. But, talent is talent is talent is talent. If anyone spots it, they are getting an invite. That's just how competitive sports works. That is why kids learn at a younger age, you have to always bring your "a" game and earn your spot.
For the person who posted the alleged PAC coaches' resume (which is very good and this is not directed toward him or his club at all), please know that the USL is the equivalent of the WPSL (the former W-League) which team is coached at Penn Fusion by CS & TM. As noted elsewhere in digital media: "This is the inaugural season for the Penn Fusion SA WPSL team. The team won the Tri-State Championships with 8 wins and 2 draws for a total of 26 points. The team scored 36 goals and only allowed 4. Rachel Hill, recently with the U23 U.S. Women’s National Team and a rising senior at University of Connecticut, tops the scoring ladder with 11 goals and 2 assists for 24 points for Penn Fusion." That team competed in the Northeastern Regional Championship vs. Wash Spirit Reserves and Boston Breakers Reserves. And, Rachel Hill, as noted as being on that Penn Fusion team is now playing at Orlando Pride (originally drafted to Thorns and traded). http://equalizersoccer.com/2017/01/18/pride-acquire-no-14-pick-rachel-hill-from-thorns/My friend's daughter was a defender on that Penn Fusion WPSL team and had a wonderful experience.
How many DA spots are they taking at PF? 11 start and DA rules say how many total subs in a game? Yea good luck. CS favorites never sit. Nothing new next year. Better off going to CFC to play ECNL.
For the PAC booster on the boards, this is current and she is playing in NWSL. She sought out PF to play on TM/CS's team, btw. So....
You're bringing up Penn Fusion's WPSL? Uhhh ok.
She was the #14 overall NWSL draftee. Oh and she didn't sit at PF either. But I guess that's bad coaching, too, right?
5:27 - it's the equivalent of the USL for women. So, yes, as that is in the resume you posted of TW.Sorry if this is mind blowing to you. I thought you could keep up.
And, I am not dissing TW or PAC at all. This is just evidence of some PF soccer information of which you may have been unaware. I like to use facts to support my views, that's all.
The new powerhouse in PA will be be PAC .
My favorite part of this board is the Stepford PF parents that try to defend every PF action taken. 10:44 Wasted two paragraphs basically saying very little, but there was a lot of ECNL and NPL in there so maybe if he wrote it backwards, it would be an easier read. So your telling me that out of the last three years (just talking two age groups, 02s and 01s), PF has brought in over 30 players from outside clubs for their two Ecnl teams and not one NPL player was developed enough to garner a spot? Not one? And its not just Penn FusionCFC recently traveled to Arizona and needed and the 00's extra player due to injury and being short players. Did CFC reach down into the NPL pool to offer a deserving hardworking player a spot? Hell no, they asked an 02 player to guest play (actually had a goal and an assist). If that doesn't tell you what a huge money grab the NPL has been, I don't know what will. Its going to be so much fun this year when the music stops and there is simply not enough chairs. The players will be okay and settle into a new home, but the parents that live vicariously through those players will be crushed. Except 10:44, he'll be fine with his daughter being able to dress for the game every fourth game, because he'll believe he's seeing real development happen.
Interesting comment regarding GDA playing time. For girls 7-11 on current ecnl teams who are used to getting plenty of playing time and starting most games, they are now going to be 14-22. With subs limited to 3 per game and starting spots and playing time guaranteed already to the"stars", these girls may only dress for half the games and play in 1 per month.
You are right. If your kid isn't a golden child it could be a long year but they'll always at least have the training and those bragging rights.
6:59 - from what I am hearing, there will be plenty of stars competing for playing time. This is what you want. So, one sits out a game and then plays the next. Happens in all leagues. Watch NWSL.
7:11 or you have great players pushing other great players. Win/win. Shame some don't want their kids to work hard to be recognized. Oh well, participation trophies to all is the mentality still. Good luck with that. Don't be surprised when you are changing schools every other year too looking for a spot to play because my kid can't wait her turn. You'll collect plenty of school mementos that way. Love those coffee mugs.
7:11 - I get the feeling you just want YOUR kid to be the star and she wasn't. Or worse, maybe was and then wasn't or isn't. Got it. So, instead of pushing her you are blaming others.
I was speaking in general as far as DA teams next year but thanks for your expert analysis of my kid?
OMG - Match Fit vs PDA, PF vs PAC, PF vs CFC Delco, Spirt vs VA and MDThey are all great places for the people there, why does anyone even care about a club other than their kids, care about her team and their placement to get your kid to the promise land what ever it may be NT, D1, D2 or any other Dto the person who posted "please know that the USL is the equivalent of the WPSL (the former W-League)" is wrong.The W-League was under the USL umbrella and some of the clubs most out west broke apart and created the WPSL - so for a while the womens D2 was either the W-League or the WPSL under D1 NWSL. The W-league folded and in came the UWS - some of the East Division teams are the Western NY Flash (x-NWSL), Lancaster Inferno, Long Island Rough Riders, NJ Copa FC, NY Surf and MLS club girl side Real Salt Lake Women.
The "stars", unless injured, are not going to sit out games. The bottom half of these GDA rosters are going to find themselves in a position they never have before, sitting out games or not even dressing. They'll play in one in 4 games as USSF mandates but that's it. One week on, three weeks off. And you think this is going to make most players work harder and compete? Maybe some but I bet most become bitter and resentful. Remember mommy and daddy are telling little Mia she's better than those girls playing all the time, the coach sucks, it's not her fault etc etc. And the parents who are used to there kids being stars, now watching them fight back tears on the bench? Oh yea, it's going to get ugly. The shame is most of those girls 12-24 on the GDA would have been stars in their high school teams, names in the local paper, proudly walking around campus in their uniforms, and had they played ecnl be getting tons of college exposure as well. But them daddy couldn't brag his kid plays on a GDA team. Well she doesn't actually play much, but.., Everyone thinks it won't be their kid, but like the previous poster said, there's only so many chairs when the music stops.
8:01 - ah, wrong. My niece played with some of the current NT stars at Wildcats (W league) which evolved into WPSL. Many NT stars (current and past) played W League when there was no pro/semi-pro team in US or when they were in between leagues/league play. http://www.wpsl.info/ Check out the graph. And the history of the W-League. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USL_W-LeagueBut, thanks for the lesson.
8:48 - hilarious. I run into a lot of former high school sports studs who can't seem to get over that they WERE great and now, not so much. And, then I tip them well when they valet park my car. Good luck.
8:58 - continuedhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Jersey_WildcatsA list of some that played with her in W-League. Enjoy!
who cares about that? No one!!! Move on.
Funny, almost all of the most successful people I know in life where high school "stars" at something. Seems hard work and dedication are learned early for some and propel them to the top of their fields later in life. It's usually people who where failures in sports who don't understand the corrolation. They also seem to be the ones putting unrealistic expectations on their kids to make up for their own failures. So let me give you some advise, park your own Ford Fiesta and save the valet money for your kids therapy.
Hahahaha. I'm a soccer parent. I don't drive a Ford Fiesta. Oh and my kids are pretty successful as well. But thanks for playing.
Oh, it's me, 9:26, with a last lesson, it's the ones that have failed at something that learn. Can't be great all the time. It's the kids that don't give up. Btw - one of my kid's is in her hs, league and college hof and was invited to olympic trials/try-outs. But, she didn't settle when she had the opportunity of being challenged at higher level. She sacrificed. Part of the ingredients of success. She has advised her sister to give up hs.
Lol. No bubble ecnl players stay at ecnl teams and play in the NPL. They all think they should have made the ecnl team. Better than the bottom few on the roster etc. They leave the club and play in the R1 league or for a non ecnl Club NPL "A" team. There is then a big gap between NPL #1 and ECNL #18. Those kids just aren't going to move up because they are a couple levels below. Only exception to the rule about which I am aware is at PDA. And they brought a NPL player up to the 00 ECNL. Dude who complains about the alphabet soup, hope your intelligence is adequate enough For your being able to follow that one.
As usual 9:36, your missing the point (must be on top of your head). The whole conversation started out about PF,s great development of players. But being a Stepford PF clone and not very bright at that, you carried into the arena you only know (soccer letters and how great they are). No hard feeling though and I hope your daughter has a great season, Lord knows she deserves it if she has to deal with an Alphabet Dad all day. I can just hear you now: "Now listen Mercedes, first I'm going to have you try out for PF GDA and then PAC' GDA, and if that don't work we'll head down to KOP to tryout for CFC and their ECNL team, but not their NPL". I don't care how much money I spend Mercedes, you will be on a team!!
10:02 - how do you know this poster is a PF stepford clone? I didn't get that. But, I agree with the rest of your post. Hilarious.
10:18 With his blind faith faith of PF's structure and development (now there's a term used loosely) and his ability to spit out Capitol letters in small groupings makes him the perfect PF parent. Combined with just the right amount of arrogance by saying NPL players aren't worthy of consideration for the ECNL, even though their parents are paying customers and are told by Tino at the first Town Hall meeting that by playing in the NPL, they will earn the right to be given just that consideration.Now I do not know the Alphabet Dad personally, but I'm sure there's a few more like him. Taking turns singing Tino's praise and carefully dusting Tino's picture that sits on their mantle. But every once in a while when no one else can hear (especially Tino), they get together and whisper small complaints about something they don't like at PF.
I'm a Penn Fusion parent and I have loudly complained about a few items that are being addressed. I have no hesitation about reaching out to Tino. He has been nothing but gratious. So, overall, I have found my experience to be pretty good. But, nothing is perfect. I must say that it's pretty darn good over our other experiences, though. NPL kids may have been considered and may still be in consideration. I have no idea. Go to the try-outs and find out.
Go to DA tryouts, waste your time bc the teams are already picked...Oh and it's by invitation only...oh and if you didn't pay for their id clinics over winter your wasting your time
So with PDA creating yet another team next year with the development academy that means they will bring in another 25 kids or so to their clubs player pool so with DA, then ECNL then south NPL then north NPL then shore EDP then potential 2nd south team and north Edp that is a ridicilious number of teams. Kids below the ECNL level barely get to play outside of league play and 2 tournaments a year.
PDA PDA PDA PDA PDA PDA PDA PDA PDA PDA PDA PDA PDAPF PF PF PF PF PF PF PF PF PF PF PF PF
The saying "too big to fail" comes to mind...
6:54 you have actually wrote what PF hopes will happen. In PF's perfect world, they would become another PDA and garner national attention like PDA does. A merger with CFC would have certainly helped move towards that goal, but alas, as it often happens, ego's get in the way. 11:54 Nothing wrong with being proud of who your daughter plays for and PF does promote their product almost better than any other club. And Tino will always answer questions about whether or not parents can sit in on the team dinner, or is it ok if we come in late on a travel night before a tournament. He doesn't like be asked about late payments though (not his area) or why does Craig have the personality of a mannequin. I do appreciate that he sticks to his guns regarding the 24 hour rule on being approached after a game. It does give both parent and coach time to decompress.
I'm confused, I was under the impression that the Northeast Girls NPL was for the NorthEast ECNL club B teams. So with PennFusion no longer in ECNL how do they still have membership in the NorthEast Girls NPL?I would think GDA Clubs would have their B teams play in either a US Club or USSF league or have teams in both to show the USSF they can play nice and are not part of the US Club vs USSF fued.
Personality of a mannequin. Hahahahah that's great! Both are certainly fake.
I got my soccer alphabet all crossed up sorry.US Club vs USYS fuedUSSF is the big boss
1126 FYI you use as many "alphabet soup" letters in your post as anyone does because that's how these teams and leagues are most efficiently described. Using them in language in no way says anything about a poster other than he is using the shortest identifiers for leagues and teams. That said. Has your kid ever been on the bubble? Mine has. They aren't interested in being re labeled as a B team player that's true. I would not be surprised if many kids, esepcially the bubble ECNL kids who would have the best chance of being elevated to ECNL eventually, when offered NPL team at ECNL clubs decline the offer and instead sign up with another club's A team in whatever "alphabet soup" league.I am only aware of 1 kid at one club, PDA who went from B to A. Know anyone else? I don't think its a commonplace occurance anywhere for a whole host of reasons, including the one stated above.
721 CS is as far away from a mannequin as it gets. Have you ever seen him on the sideline or watched one of his training sessions? That guy is as loud and animated as they get. Now I am not saying he is all good, but I haven't heard that one. The one I hear most often is great trainer poor game day manager.
8:04 I believe you when you say that maybe only one player (with PDA) has moved from the B team to the A team. But here's my question to you, why does Tino put the same rhetoric out there each year at every town hall meeting. Telling parents the advantages of playing NPL and it may offer then an opportunity to advance? My daughter is not a bubble player, but she like all others has flaws in her game and like your daughter, strives to fix them and improve. I like the honesty of your last post and see the logic behind it. My issue has never been with the NPL itself, the parents that pay for it and certainly not the girls playing in it. My issue is the deceitfulness of the some of the club officials when it comes to addressing its functions. Just be upfront about what your truly offering and stop being a used car salesman.
Agreed. 99% of the time, B and C teams are just there to provide a platform for kids to play soccer(and make money). Nothing wrong with that in itself as long as parents and kids aren't fed the bs of "your kid may move into the A team". Some kids just will not ever do well enough...not all are equal
He is fake as sh#t though and yes you've heard right 8:08
Thanks for hashtag.Imagine how strong your comment would've been using the word shit!!!
You guys are all crazy. If your kid is not on the 1st team (GDA or ECNL or any other league) they need to be the best player on the 2nd team to be looked at. They play full 80 minutes and are the best player on the field. If any kid is not playing full game on 2nd team then the coach/club doesn't think they are 1st team material. As far as lies, I think any club would promote a player from 2nd team in a second if they believe the player is 1st team material.It would be crazy for them to tell the players you suck you have no shot you will never get better - so what do they do? they tell players you have the opportunity to be promoted based on your play. No lies if your best in 2nd team then you stay or you leave simple no need to call out anyone. No need to hate, people have different opinions when it comes to what is good soccer and what is bad soccer, if it's not a fit split - or stay and let your kid work at it. If it's 2nd team then it's 2nd team maybe that is the best she could be at a club that will attract top players from other clubs - no shame in that. I believe any GDA club will attract the top players just like the ECNL clubs did before. Not all the top players in their region but more than 70%.Some results and future matchups in NJUSYS NJ NCS Quarter-Finals 1 NJ STALLIONS ACADEMY 01 FREEDOM NPL (NJ)0 PDA SHORE FUSION (NJ) - FC COPA ACADEMY G01 BLACK (NJ)- STA 2001G NPL (NJ)- NJ WILDCATS FURY-NPL (NJ)- NJ CRUSH FC STORM NPL (NJ)0 WATCHUNG HILLS NJ ELITE 2001G FLAMES (NJ)1 SJEB RUSH 01 GIRLS ACADEMY (NJ)---------------------------------------------US Club NJ Cup Quarter-Finals- SJEB Rush 01 Academy- Jersey Shore Boca Jr Elite-Manalapan - NJ Wildcats Fury-NPL- Mercer FC 01 Spurs- PDA South 01- Princeton SA IGFA 01 NPL- STA 2001 NPL- Watchung Hills NJ Elite 2001 Flames
9:44 Have you ever considered working for PF? You stated that beautifully and PF should have you speak at the town hall meetings instead of Tino, especially since every fourth word is half German mixed in with something that sounds like english. You almost made it sound like PF has the kids best interest in mind and should consider going into sales.
9:44 here: I think any club has the clubs best interest in mind. You have to keep doors open - you can't make anyone feel like crap and at the same time make a buck or two besides they have no idea who can really step it up and improve - you don't want to chase those players away either. It's up to players and parents to be real. Leave or suck it up and hope for the best for your kid while you hit message boards to complain since misery loves company (great band by the way)
For those who have done the PDA showcase before, will the non-ECNL teams have any games scheduled at the main PDA fields or will they be assigned to lesser fields where college scouts will have to go out of their way to attend? From looking at the schedules of the ECNL flights, it appears essentially all of the slots at the two main PDA complexes are booked for the ECNl flights.
In the past non-ECNL teams are scheduled off site. The U15, 16 and 17 ECNL teams are scheduled at the main site of PDA Complex/Morningside Fields.
For the very angry NPL dad/mom, I have an idea. Ask the coach if she can go to an ECNL practice session or two. Then, you can see yourself how she matches up. THere is time for additions to ECNL roster, if warranted. If it works out, great. If it doesn't work out, then you will be satisfied that she at least had her opportunity.
7:21 - my discussions with TM have been a little more substantative than team dinners, late arrivals, etc. But good to know your concerns were addressed, too.
@1pm. I believe you are correct, same this year. All ECNL will be at main complex or down road at Morningside. But you never know based on field availability. But it just makes sense. Then non-ecnl will be at Rutgers. Just to be accepted to pda showcase and put on resume is great. Many, many teams apply and declined just like Jeff cup. Here is the bottom line, win your bracket!
1:46 while I agree to place well for future events and the team resume.The most important thing is to get those colleges to your games and since this is a showcase it might be hard to place well I just hope your kids show well. Either way good luck to all at that event.
Our experience is that coaches often have the top of the roster b team kids train "up" with the A team. Its not really a fair assessment I know because the kids are in unfamiliar environments and frankly the A team kids are not exactly thrilled they are there. But generally, they are a level below the bottom A team kid
2:01You have to send e-mails, get the collegiate coach interested. Dont just rely on a stray coach tripping on her because she is "at the complex"I would think they would send someone to RUTGERS - not like its Felician College - to see her.
Love some of the elitist, arrogant posters. Best wishes to your daughter!Hope she picks up good qualities from the other parent.
The Sisters of Felix of Cantialice and Rutherford New Jersey do not take kindly to your disparaging remarks regarding Felician University.
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