9:52 It'll be funny to see you repeat that statement when there are 15 DA teams left and you'll have to fly to every game. I would agree with you about the number of DA teams if it was the weaker smaller clubs dropping out, but just the opposite is happening.Your statement about weeding out the mid-level player who are pay to play is either arrogance or ignorance, I'm hoping it's the latter and not the former. It's also good to see that they are allowing your daughter to play for free at the DA level, or are you also paying for your daughter to play on her team? Is that pay for play as well?
Hahaha...pissy pac parent again. Yes for you ecnl would be better option. Cheers.
Haha agreed. Dont have the posting time, but I didnt bash ecnl. I bashed its figureheads. Their politics are undeniable.
259Most D3 would absolutely not compete with most D1. That is a D3 urban myth. I went to see a friend's kid play in a D3 conference championship this fall. Both teams were in and out of the top 10 as my friend told me at the time. The overall level was very low. However, there were a couple of kids on each team that probably could have played for a mid tier D1 school. One of them was considered one of the top D3 players in the country. I don't know if she was named a D3 all american or not. However the team level was much lower and there was more individual variation from top to bottom. Just the way it is. But I am sure you will want to keep the illusion (dilusion?) going with a response.
There should be only 15 DA teams in the country. they should run it like the old national league. The DA teams play their regional games in the ECNL, excluding their results from the ECNL championship calculations but published nonetheless, and then get them together for 5 showcases (funded completely including travel) by the USSF. Cut all age group YNT camps/international trips in half, cut the full time salary and benefit coaches to let college coaches serve as YNT coaches, except u17 and u20 in the year before a WC. The international trips to play weak competition is now replaced by more meaningful games. And the cost will be largely defrayed. Have all 15 YNT teams train and play in the "systems" the USSF has determined acceptable and the camps aren't necessary.
2:05 Your thoughts are almost dangerously close to making sense, so please stop all thoughts going forward. Could you imagine the outrage of the parents that don't make the cut and find out that their child has been weeded out as a mid-level player? All of a sudden ECNL would be the greatest thing on earth! In all seriousness, someone earlier in the season had proposed a one team for each state DA system. With a true pyramid in place to work towards making that team. Then and only then, would the DA come close to resembling it's actual mission statement. In addition, each DA team would have a truly qualified DA coach at the U17 and above level.
8:33 pm - as far as scouts to watch; I was referencing US Soccer scouts as well. btw - not sure how many college coaches you have spoken to about US Soccer making them not feel welcome at the GDA games. At our last GDA showcase, US soccer not only made them feel welcome many were former US Soccer coaches or players.
1:53 - feel better? no one said what you are claiming. someone said that their kid in a DIII would have friendlies against some DI's and would win against some. that's what was said. have another on the house.
9:54 Most colleges coaches played professionally at some level or for US Soccer at some level, so that means very little. Isn't the whole idea of the GDA, to have US Soccer scouts watching the games hope to find that 1% that their really looking for? You are right as I have only spoken to a little over a dozen D1 and D2 coaches so far, so that's not an incredible number. But the responses so far has been "it's almost like the DA doesn't want us there", to "the extra day for their showcase is wasted budgeted money".
PDA Tournament Teams by YSR Score:39.01 ECNL So Cal Blues SC ECNL U1738.61 ECNL FC Stars ECNL U1738.54 ECNL McLean YS ECNL U1738.37 Non FC Florida - FC Florida 01 Elite38.37 ECNL Mustang SC ECNL U1738.37 ECNL Florida Elite ECNL U1737.71 ECNL Davis Legacy ECNL U1737.62 ECNL Washington Premier ECNL U1737.57 ECNL Bethesda SC ECNL U1737.55 ECNL MVLA ECNL U1737.42 ECNL Carolina Rapids ECNL U1737.25 Non SUSA ISA NPL G0137.22 ECNL Ohio Elite Soccer Academy ECNL U1737.12 ECNL Ohio Premier ECNL U1737.00 ECNL Connecticut FC ECNL U1737.00 ECNL Slammers FC ECNL U1736.95 ECNL Alabama FC ECNL U1736.93 Non Arsenal FC South, G00 Bowers36.90 Non FC Virginia - United Elite 0136.87 ECNL Challenge SC ECNL U1736.71 Non Premier Soccer Club - Strikers36.69 Non BC United - 01 Girls36.61 Non 1776 United - 1776 United FC 01 Xtreme36.57 Non Real So Cal - G01 DPL36.57 ECNL FSA FC ECNL U1736.56 ECNL FC Boston ECNL U1736.55 Non NJ Elite - Flames36.55 ECNL FC Bucks ECNL U1736.52 ECNL Match Fit Academy ECNL U1736.47 ECNL Crossfire United ECNL U1736.42 Non Eclipse Select MN - 01 Girls Elite Black36.34 ECNL PDA ECNL U1736.34 ECNL Florida Krush ECNL U1736.21 Non SJEB Rush - 01 Girls Academy36.21 ECNL Heat FC ECNL U1736.20 ECNL Arsenal FC ECNL U1736.18 ECNL San Juan SC ECNL U1736.11 Non FC Frederick - FCF '0135.99 ECNL Maryland United FC ECNL U1735.88 Non Fury Soccer Club - Athletica35.88 ECNL Sereno Soccer Club ECNL U1735.87 Non NJ Wildcats - Fury-NPL35.84 ECNL Strikers FC ECNL U1735.81 ECNL AHFC ECNL U1735.77 ECNL FC Pride ECNL U1735.77 ECNL Pleasanton Rage ECNL U1735.77 ECNL Internationals SC ECNL U1735.67 ECNL East Meadow ECNL U1735.64 Non Century United - Century V 01 Gold35.59 ECNL West Coast FC ECNL U1735.56 ECNL World Class FC ECNL U1735.53 Non FC Stars NPL 200135.52 ECNL Colorado Storm ECNL U1735.49 Non Minnesota Thunder Academy - MTA U17 Premier35.48 Non PDA South US Club U17 - Madrid - NPL35.44 ECNL San Diego Surf ECNL U1735.29 ECNL BRYC Elite Academy ECNL U1735.24 ECNL NCFC Youth ECNL U1735.17 ECNL Continental FC ECNL U1735.05 ECNL DMCV Sharks ECNL U1735.01 Non Michigan Wolves-Hawks Soccer Club 00 ECNL SC34.91 Non Lehigh Valley United - LVU 2001 Girls Black34.89 ECNL WNY Flash Academy ECNL U1734.72 ECNL Albertson Fury ECNL U1734.68 ECNL FC Portland ECNL U1734.55 ECNL Pittsburgh Riverhounds ECNL U1734.42 ECNL Classics Elite ECNL U1734.34 ECNL NC Fusion ECNL U1734.33 ECNL Orlando City ECNL U1734.27 ECNL Crossfire Premier ECNL U1734.09 ECNL South Carolina United ECNL U1733.90 ECNL Santa Rosa United ECNL U17
10:41 - you like the word most. SOME college coaches played professionally and/or played for US Soccer. And I guess it's the level you are playing. If you are in the top tier of either league, the coaches are tripping over each other. If not and coaches are coming to watch, maybe that is the case. SOME college coaches also attend practices during the week. Surely they don't feel intimidated by US Soccer then do they? I guess it's the level of college coach, too. Those that have been in the business for quite some time are friends with the US Soccer coaches. That is what I have found anyway. I'm not preaching that my knowledge and experience is universally applied (like yourself), but this is my first hand knowledge of what is happening.
This is for Pissy PAC parent and Happy PAC parent...How long has your daughter played with club?Who were coaches...initials only?Rate the coaches 1-10.Thanks!
To put it mildly: - ECNL extracts money from players and treats the D1 and D2 coaches like royalty and as a real customer of the showcase- GDA treats everyone equally- players and coaches. No special treatment, no perks. Coaches hate GDA because ECNL treats them better.
12:53 That is exactly it. So if the one with perks brings in more coaches to watch during showcases, while the other offers more intense training and your paying the same, which one would the better choice? Most likely the answer is that there isn't a correct answer. Each kid is geared differently and of course have different goals, just as each parent knows what they can not only afford, but has the time frame to make the choice possible.
Problem is that GDA scheduled it’s showcase in NC at exactly the same time as ECNL Phoenix. The angry college coaches showed up in NC and ECNL vowed never to run into the same conflict again. The coaches may hate GDA but still want the crack that GDA is selling.
College coaches have limited budgets and cannot travel around the country on recruiting trips. God forbid GDA and ECNL put the kids first and host a combined event.
Huge money maker for ECNL. Please tell me college coaches are on a tight budget. Partial list - no playoffs:GIRLS ECNL PHOENIX FALLNovember 9-11, 2018 | Phoenix, AZ | U15-U18/U19GIRLS ECNL GREERNovember 30-December 2, 2018 | Greer, SC | U15-U17GIRLS ECNL FLORIDAJanuary 11-13, 2019 | Sanford, FL | U16-U18/U19GIRLS ECNL TEXASFebruary 16-18, 2019 | TBD, TX | U15-U17GIRLS ECNL PHOENIX SPRINGApril 5-7, 2019 | Phoenix, AZ | U15-U17GIRLS ECNL NEW JERSEYMay 25-27, 2019 | Zarephath, NJ | U15-U17The U13/U14 Girls ECNL Showcase Events are below:U13/U14 GIRLS ECNL SHOWCASE DAVISOctober 6-8, 2018 | Davis, CA | U13-U14U13/U14 GIRLS ECNL SHOWCASE TEXASFebruary 16-18, 2019 | TBD, TX | U13-U14U13/U14 GIRLS ECNL SHOWCASE PHOENIXApril 5-7, 2019 | Scottsdale, AZ | U13-U14U13/U14 GIRLS ECNL SHOWCASE GREERMay 10-12, 2019 | Greer, SC | U13-U14
The U13/14 really shouldn't even be called showcases, as the west coast trip is money tossed in the ocean and that is the one thing I think ECNL should change. Other than that, ECNL gets the players more college attention than anyone (and I'm an EDP parent).
ECNL doesn't require the U13/14 teams to do any of those events.
10;04 - the college coaches want the leagues to make it easier for them. GDA isn't about the college coaches. ECNL is. Sometimes in the past they had to go from an ECNL event to a national USYS event. It's not the first time this has occurred and won't be the last. Bottom line, coaches have to put in the time to find the right recruits just like the kids put in the time to get to the various events. It's part of their job. Happy Memorial Day and remember what it's all about. It's not about the Day off. It's about honoring our fellow citizens who gave their lives so we can attend a soccer game or two over a weekend meant to honor them. Safe travels all.
7:55 ECNL markets itself as a college pathway but is it?I dont think its a secret that younger PDA GDA teams regularly beat the older age ECNL teams in practice. The college coaches know that - and when given a choice, they simply choose one event over the other.With a number of GDA clubs going ECNL it definitely gives ECNL a little more legitimacy - but who knows how long. As a college coach would I want to get a "well rounded player" that practices 96 hours a year or a specialist that practiced 192 hours a year and played against like minded players. After 4 years - the difference will be significant.
A men's college coach was telling me that he didnt like the DA players as much as he though he would. Overly technical and coddled with less focus on stamina and game grit.My assumption is that College ball is just an upscale version of HS ball with substitution rules, season format, coach interaction etc. That is a totally different set of player attributes than what DA (or GDA) tends to produce. If College is serious about player development and contribution to national team - they will either have to adapt their rules or petition FIFA to change theirs.
GDA hasn't produced/developed one player yet. A college coach will want the better player regardless of where she played. The variable is will the coach be at your kids events or is she good enough that the coach will follow her.My kid plays ecnl and has 4 coaches who told her what games of hers they would be attending. 1 of these coaches is also interested in a friend of hers but she is playing in the Players Cup. The coach basically told them the interest is still there but but he only makes one recruiting trip in our area 1x per year. I guess she goes to his camp and hopes for the best. This same scenario is very real for ecnl kids if their events stop attracting the coaches i.e. like the players cup.Based on the turnout for this weekend ECNL events are still highly regarded... lucky us!
11:59 - that's funny with the guys' coach calling the guy DA players overly technical and coddled. That's not the girls. Bad weather, still out there for a game and/or practice. Girls are gritty in all of the leagues. I think it's why they chose soccer over other sports. The grit and the guts. No whistles blowing and stopping play every 2 minutes. 90 minutes of guts and grit.Good luck girls in all the leagues as you head into post season. Stay gritty.
11:59 I understand your post about what colleges coaches should look to do to if they are serious about building towards the National Team future. Unfortunately that is the last thing they are thinking about. These coaches have house payments and families just like we do, and what they are concerned about is job security. Their job security involves winning and getting as many players to attend that college as possible. Those commits that cost very little in terms of scholarship money, are some of the best resume builders for college coaches. It's shows they can sell the product.
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Just looking at the college coach attendance for the ECNL NJ event - it is lacking all of the premier colleges that attended the GDA NC event.Lots of colleges attending, but none of the top colleges.
Pretty nice list of colleges at the PDA event..Sure, not everyone is there... Almost everyone is therehttps://tgs.totalglobalsports.com/public/collgecoachattending.aspx?eid=613
Those coaches were seen at the local GDA games. You just have to be grateful that the elitist girls don’t play in a drizzle.
FU PDA. You suck. If ECNL teams have their own events, why do they get their own division at the PDA division? Sucks for the teams in the next division, who can beat some of those ECNL teams. All teams paid the same amount of money to be in the tournament. Also, games were cancelled due to weather today, which is a shame. PDA an email at 6:32am, when Some teams were already far into their trips to the fields. With the forecast, as well as the rainfall overnight, no way they couldn't have cancelled at 4:00am. Don't get me wrong, I feel worse for teams who flew in and/or are staying at hotels. Worst thing of all, and it's a disgrace, tomorrow's games have been been trimmed down to 25 minute halves, due to field closures. Oh wait! I was only referring to non-ECNL games. The ECNL games are not being shortened. Total BS. So, they pay the same amount to play in the tournament, and get preferential treatment.
Have a beef with PDA? Support GDA - ignore future PDA events.
Did they play the GDA games scheduled at PDA yesterday? Probably because US Soccer doesn't cancel event UNLESS safety is a concern. Playing in the rain isn't a safety issue. Now you understand why PDA pulled it's teams back into ECNL; $$$ for more roster spots and to control things. Sue them. My friend plans on suing her kid's club for not fulfilling their obligations. it's called consumer fraud. And it's gaining a lot of traction in many areas. They are not a protected class. They are a business.
Even people at PDA are tired of the M.O. show. On another note, the ECNL games are games that count toward their post season standings so they must not be shortened too much, if at all. The non-Ecnl events have no bearing on anything except showcasing for the college coaches. I agree though, if you pay the same you should get the same. I would absolutely check with NJ Atty General's office. Worst case scenario, you don't get a refund; best case; your refund and then some. Good luck.
PDA played their games at PDA south fields in the rain on Sunday (40 Miles south?). They were boys DA and girls GDA being played at the same time.
So they did play games, just not the ECNL or non-ECNL tourney games. $$$$$orry says M.O'N Hahahaha Yep, US Soccer says play on. ECNL (M O'N) says no way.
12:09 Our team, 1776, was also affected by PDA's moronic decisions. I completely understood why they cancelled games scheduled to be played on Sunday. Unfortunate, but understandable. All games were cancelled. While I understand we can't completely predict the weather, it rained torrentially all night Sunday, as well as Monday morning. This was a pretty certain prediction early on, at 80-90% on Sunday evening. We were scheduled to play at 8:00am on Sunday. We had already driven at least 90 minutes & arrived at the field, when we found out an email was sent at 6:32, to inform us of the cancellations. That's just extremely poor tournament direction. That email notification could've easily been sent hours before. Those fields were unplayable by 2:00am. Was someone unwilling to do his job, get up early enough to avoid having families drive in dangerous conditions? As far as Monday is concerned, I'm furious. I couldn't care less if those games were league games for them. That's not my problem. The only thing I know is that ECNL games were all full games & the rest were 25 minute halves. I read through the PDA tournament rules. I can't see to find anything stating ECNL teams get preferential treatment in special circumstances, as in field closures due to bad weather. I'd like to know why we were forced to suffer the consequences of bad weather, yet ECNL teams weren't. It's unfair and discriminatory. My ACLU attorney will surely not be pleased. I also plan to contact NJ's Attorney General's office. 10:24 Agree. FU PDA
Correction: It rained all night Saturday.
PDA could just close the event and make it ECNL only.
9:39 THAT would be fantastic! Wouldn't care because that would mean we wouldn't have to pay for it, feel discrimated against, have wasted time & gas, and put useless miles on my car. If they closed it off, it would be irrelevant to me.
But then they wouldn’t make that $350,000 extra income.
So while all of you were enjoying the delays, shortening of halves and cancellations at PDA, our Rage team enjoyed a different scenario at the Columbia Invitational. We were scheduled to play a 5pm game on Saturday, but because of the refs hearing thunder as they came onto the field, the start time was moved back to 5:34. As we are waiting and nearing new game time, the opposing coach (from WV), comes up to the tournament official in charge and states the the tournament rules say no game should be started after 5:30, and he does not want to play the game! After considerable debate, the WV coach wins out and the game is considered a 0-0 tie and the coach gets his valuable point for a tie. Have any of you ever seen a coach plead a case not to play? This was in the U18 bracket and you think he would have been glad top play a U17 team. I know we all had a rough weekend soccer wise, but check out what happened in Ellicott City and it makes you realize what devastation really is. Rage Parent.
11:15.... Let me at'em!!! I'll always have Rage's back, unless we're playing you, in which case, I hate you. I'd say he's a pu... ahem... real wimp! Sorry, my keyboard is malfunctioning. By the way, yes, I work night shift.
"2:59 am - what is wrong that you are on a girls' soccer blog at 2:59 in the morning on a weekend?"So sorry if my schedule doesn't conform with your requirements. Didn't know the internet had a closing time."I'm the poster that you are calling "sadly ignorant"And nothing much has changed over the past week as you remain sadly ignorant. Although on second thought, you have somehow managed to expanded on your ignorance.
"there were a couple of kids on each team that probably could have played for a mid tier D1 school. One of them was considered one of the top D3 players in the country. I don't know if she was named a D3 all american or not. However the team level was much lower and there was more individual variation from top to bottom.Just the way it is."Thank God we have your expect observations to rely on! I'm sure your years of experience with NCAA soccer justifies your astute opinions. LOL!You're a twit at best.
See that guys? How can you not see that caring gentleness, the easy going nature, the unending patience that makes up Big Red's essence. It's only for 90 minutes each day on a weekend that she becomes a raving lunatic and would poke your eyes out with a blunt stick. It's a good thing her team doesn't lose much and both her daughters are fantastic players, or there would be a lot of people walking around with eye patches. It's why us Rage Parents know her as "Mother Teresa" and not Big Red. 2:01 Are there any opinions on here that are not 'astute"? Rage Parent
Wow you really are a fan of that lady aren’t you?
7:52 Let's just say there was a little tongue in cheek in my last post. Some of our Rage daughter's have played summer and indoor tournaments with some 1776 players since they were U12, so we do know each other pretty well. Believe me when I tell you that we do not talk to each other when the game starts and we are opposing one another, and even our daughters are not friendly once they step on the field (I think there's even been a yellow card or two). But off the field, it's like a switch has been flipped. Although if I made a bad comment about Big Red's daughter's, I'm pretty sure she would have no problem hitting me over the head with a blunt object (but she would at least call 911). I do admire the fact that she has kept her kids at the same club since U9, so few of us can make that claim. RP
PDA wouldn't make the extra $350,000 if they closed the event off to ECNL only? I think that a low estimate. Food, shirts (they have their own shirts btw...cutting out Nike and ECNL) and then some. $350,000 seems like an underestimate. And I mean underestimate of the actual net.Keep riding the ECNL gravy train with the rest of the sheep.
5/29 - nightbird. you are an angry night owl too. hoot hoot. clearly you didn't read the rest of that post. the sick child; fighting for her life. crazy soccer nightbird; get some therapy or different meds.others work nights too; just don't have the same level of anger.
Can't resist. Reading some of the "Big Red" or alleged "Big Red" posts; I have renamed her and her cohort "Seeing Red" and the other "EnRaged Parent." They seem calm at first and then quickly spiral into condescending phrases, etc. But, don't see it as that. Classic.Stay safe out there.
1:39 "enraged parent" That's actually pretty clever, but I have nothing to be enraged about. Not sure where your agenda lies or which "condescending phrases" have been used. Although I am probably guilty of being condescending somewhere along the line on this blog, I can't imagine Big Red's personality ever allowing for it. You gave us some really cool names, but once again failed to mention which team your daughter plays for. Is that to prevent you from obtaining a clever name as well? It is kind of strange how many times you come on here to attack either my daughters team, me personally or sometimes just my daughter (Classless might be a good name). Hopefully it fills some weird personality dysfunction you possess and gets you through your day. Sorry, would that last statement be considered condescending? Rage Parent
Hey EnRaged, I don't attack anyone's team or kids. I attack the posters. That's why the names stick. I don't know your kids or these teams. Oh yeah, my kid. Plays for Penn Fusion. I am not even pro GDA or ECNL or USYS. I'm pro whatever works for you, your kid and the rest of your family. These kids do the work. They get the credit for their development and success. Good luck to all of them. May they all achieve their goals.
Sorry, my post ended abruptly...EnRaged...Your noting that something should "fill some weird personality dysfunction"...but that's not condescending or disturbing, right? So yes, I am merely making fun of the posters who fail to see their own shortcomings. The ones that don't have mirrors.Have fun out there.
8:29 or "dissen-raged" If your going to attack my "shortcomings", then your going to need a lot longer post as I have a really long list of them. You do realize that my last post was totally intended to be condescending as a joke? Your obviously very proud of your names and in your eyes this is a big accomplishment for you. Not sure where you anger comes from or what post (or combination of) I have written that attacked anyone personally, but your welcome to point it out to me. I've even stated that PF is one of the best clubs at getting their girls the most exposure and college bound. Either way, my daughter has told the colleges shes visited that she is making her decision on Oct 1st, so soon you'll be free of my condescending post. Hopefully your daughter is one of the many at PF that has already committed or will soon. Rage Parent trying to Disengage
oct 1st there will no spots left for her
Hahaha...I come on this blog as a relaxer. I don't post most times. I enjoy others banter. But, if you think my biggest accomplishment is coming up with a name or two, I hate to disappoint. I guess I'm just not there yet. Sorry, gotta run, people's lives actually do depend on it. And, yes she's committed.Enjoy your evening.
8:21Is it televised?
9:01 That's great to hear that some of PF Pre-Academy girls have committed. Was your daughter one of the first from that team to commit or did other's get offers? It just shows how well the PF DA model works and that Tino knows what he's doing.
Hey 8:25 Do you teach your daughter to attach names to her classmates and teammates too? Are you extra proud of her when she comes home or gets in the car and tells you the names she came up with?
He likes names, so for now on he'll be Pre Academy Daddy or Mr. Penn Fusion Delusion.
Penn fusion delusion sounds about right . Every bench needs players sitting on it .
Can I play? PF noWang
From reading Penn Fusion Delusion's post, one would think that he might need to be the one committed. I doubt he is even a PF parent, as most of them that have committed players are secure enough that they don't even respond. So maybe the Penn Fusion Delusion goes even further.
I think there's "No PFing Wang" he's a PF parent. Said he had to run to virtually save lives, could that be in a virtual reality?
So many choices, hopefully 9:01 can choose one. 1. Dissen Rage2. Pre Academy Daddy3. PF noWang4. Penn Fusion Delusion5. Dr. NamethatLoon
I guess it was never about the kids? All I've read is about posters and their tags. At some point we can stop hiding behind our kids and call it like it is. It's always been about us.
To many people take this board a little to seriously and apply it to being about their kids. Some club parents easier than others, as they are a little more insecure about their clubs status. PDA, PF, Watchung Hills and clubs of similar ilk know they sit at the top, so there's not as much insecurity. Smaller clubs similar to the WACK PAC DA, MisFit, SJEB, Rage, 1776 and and others like them, clamor to be heard. The bellows of the meek unheard over the thunder of the herd.
Misfit I like that. My friend told me misfit has beat PDA the last three meetings. He said they're better than us but we are tougher and want to beat them. LOL I'll take tougher any day!
Unfortunately from looking at the college commit list, the numbers favor PDA and their more technical style. Congrats to PF with another D1 U17 commit. Love him or hate him, Tino gets it done.
@6/1 3am - get some sleep. but, nope not a bench warmer. and won't be in college either based on the amount of scholarhip $$ given. but thanks for playing. enjoy!
2:27 agreed. too many people make it about the kids like EnRaged, etc. the kids are off limits. the posting parents aren't. The poster poking fun at other posters is humorous. Poke back. The names are funny; all of them. If you need to come on a kids' youth soccer blog and throw some jabs, but not be able to take them while anonymous, then sign up for a colonic cleanse. you're too backed up and it's interfering with your ability to think clearly. maybe that explains the spiraling of some of the posts. prunes help, too.
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Stat guy, can you post information on where kids are committed, which teams.. I would love to see that information ,however all that shows me is connections the club has ,does not show anything about which team is better in a giving season
Penn Fusion Delusion has tagged me with a name which he enjoys, so I'll keep it. But can you point out the post where I personally attacked a player on here? If you can do that I will not only apologize, I'll leave the board. Enraged
Penn Fusion Delusion is actually a PAC parent wishing his daughter played for PF and being part of this group. So many commits to D1 schools where PAC can't even get girls to commit to their own teams. Stop tainting the name of the club be posting as a PF parent.
You people talking about your kids being D1 commits are full of s***. So they're committed do you know what the percentage is that they will actually play on a D1 team as a starter. Most will be nothing more than the practice squad .I would rather see kids play D2 or D3 then ride the bench on a D1 team,And you people talking about PDA and Penn Fusion being so technical. This is the most technical soccer they will play. Have you watched a college soccer game lately. It's back to kick and run my friends. Get the ball to the 6-foot 200-pound forward at all cost. Good luck out there.
4:51 Games like the one with PDA today must have stung a little bit. The bright side for the Wack PAC is that PDA won't be there next fall and there will be less of those 7-0 and 6-1 games.
Exactly why theDA is a waste of time and money!!! Hurting development every other week.
Glad to see 4:51 on here . Finally someone makes sense .Unlike 10:04 who is a delusional PF parent . Bet you’ll be watching your kid on the bench Freshman year . Enjoy !
5:21 Not always true. Even players with lesser skill get to play 35-45 minutes in a game after practicing four days a week, and the effect can be dramatic.
451 is correct. My daughter is tall and thin 120 lb very fast and very technical and happily committed to a good D3 School. I took her to a Princeton game last season and asked her how would you like to defend against there forward.. she literally ran over three Defenders before she scored. I think that moment was the end of my daughter's D1 dreams
9:20 pm - So if TM knows what he is doing, why is it his coached teams have problems winning and have for years. Our club loves playing against his coached teams. He is good for screwing up the line ups and taking off strong players and putting on the weak ones. CS is better at knowing how to get it done. If CS were to leave, many kids would as well.
Hey DB and JR, I am feel so sorry for your U17 for being bumped into the North American Cup today by FC BUCKS. NOT!!!!! This is great, those 2 clowns deserve all they get. Cannot develop any players, any player that was a decent player came from another club.
7:18 So who's getting more players committed? Your teams that love to play against TM, or his teams? You do realize that CS is considered a great practice and training coach and a horrible game coach? Simply look at the last game where CS was were winning 2-0 and it ended up in a tie, and that was a game where a win was kind of important in regards to positioning.
Yes it was unfortunate for the players not to qualify for CL. MF has more teams in the CL then Bucks and they are the younger teams. Stop being a sore winner and let it go. I’m sure both teams will make the best of it in Seattle. Good luck.
I happen to know many of PF’s D1 commits have commited for very little and in some cases no money. Essentially they commited for a spot on the bench. Whoopie! Come back in a couple of years and tell us how it’s going for them. How about congrats to those girls who commited for real scholarship money to a school where they will actually PLAY. Time to wake up and realize soccer is 4 years of college (if they stay injury free) then they are done. It’s the academics that will be of value the rest of their life. So to the parents that love to brag about their kid getting a bench spot on a Big 10 team for no money, you’re dumb.
11:15 Why can't parents brag about their kids going to a known college, or any college for that matter? Even if their kid doesn't see the field, isn't the goal that the daughter stays goal oriented and goes to college? So you have never heard parents whose kids do not play soccer, talk about their kids being accepted to big time schools? Are you jealous of them as well? Which is considered dumb? The accepting of the fact that a kid has gotten into a college where they may earn a degree? Or being jealous of the fact that they did?Deciding that we will not give our kids a chance to fail, also deprives them of most chances to succeed on their own merit. Anyone that went into this process dreaming about big college dollars being thrown at their daughters, failed to see the real goal, those people as you say, "are just dumb".
7:06 I think you might be missing the point . It seems like PF social media and parents like to brag about their kids college commits based more on the soccer aspect of things . When we all know like the above poster stated that it is probably for little or no scholarship money and more for a spot on the bench . Of course Tino from PF and his spin machine never tells you about that part now does he ?Tino as we all know is not good at developing players but he is good at marketing and bringing in the parents $$$$. I’m sure he’s laughing all the way to the bank.
1. Kid will go to college.2. We will find a way to help as much as possible.3. Kid gets some academic money help or a grant if possible.4. If kids gets an athletic scholarship great.5. If kid doesn't get an athletic scholarship, we still planned on helping.6. Kid played soccer 10+ years and enjoys the game next highest level is D1 if kid make team starts or bench - I would be so happy for her7. Kid played soccer 10+ years and enjoys the game plays D2/D3 if kid make team starts or bench - I would be so happy for her8. If kid goes to college and doesn't play soccer - I would be so happy for her (but I would miss watching her play)7:06 I'm with you - it's okay to be happy for your child and share with the world. That's not bragging in my opinion and we know what they say about opinions.11:15 Good for those kids 95% of the current youth soccer players don't even get that much. Those 4 years of college are more than most kids will have and the college experience they will have will be unmatched. Good job to all the commits money or no money.
Seems like Tino and his PF parents spend a lot of time on this blog trying to do damage control .
Maybe if it wasnt constantly spewed all over this blog and social media in general there wouldn’t be a need to point out what 11:15 did which is the truth.
8:46 So you agree that with 11:15 that people are "just dumb" for being glad their daughter is getting into colleges of their daughter's choosing? Or the distinct possibility that his jealousy of them doing so is "just dumb"? Read 8:11's list and tell me what's "dumb" about that list? No one is forcing you to read what is placed on social media or this blog. It's like moving into a neighborhood and saying "well if my neighbor didn't have that big house I wouldn't have to look at it". Is there anything more petty than jealousy? Especially when it's in regard to the success of someones kid?
anyone else here think this forum has gone downhill? instead of watching you all attack each other over silly nonsense, I would be interested in:• which ID camps and coaches have been good and which have been cattle calls (like UNC) • if your daughter has committed, how did that process go? - did she spend a day with the team? - did the coach approach her at the camp? after the camp? did he tell her club coach to have her call him?- did she go to id camps after she was committed at the same of different schools? - how has the april NCAA rules changes impact what has happened between your daughter and her school of choice since then?- how are ACT and SATs talked about if your kid is only a sophomore? are the pre-sats and pre acts used as guidelines for coaches? have they said that there is a definitive line that you have to meet to be considered?- how many times was your daughter seen before the verbal?- has the ivy process been different than the public school process?etcetcReally, there is so much good info we could be sharing instead of all this boring, club-hating yammering. I personally could care less about the behavior of a club's set of parents to be honest.
8:11 here. Make what you will of this.Villanova ID camps seem like cattle calls - so many.School watched her play (or someone else) 3 times before she did ID camp.School watched her play (or someone else) 2 more times. She did another ID camp. College Coach contacted Club coach. My kid contacted school. They told her they liked and that she was still to young (not to worry) and that were looking for soccer players since the standard is set very high to be accepted so grades was not a concern. If the school accepts you your in. No verbal. She has a different experience with another school - went to ID camp - coached called club coach the following week to provide feedback. Both schools said she was young and that the fall is when it would heat up for her and her class most likely.My daughter was not lucky enough to be on the field the entire game when the schools came down to watch her play and that's okay. That's why we do the ID clinic thing.At the end of the day if she gets something great, if she is offered just a roster spot and she accepts great, if she turns it down great, if she doesn't get a NLI that's okay also. The hard thing is keeping her away from all the negative venom that is on her team and these types of boards.I come on here looking for what you asked for 11:00 very little of that - just a lot of cool nicknames and some funny posts sometimes but when you read them all the time they aren't as funny anymore. just my "2 cents"PS. My kid's team has never been in a top flight but has been at plenty of majors.
thanks! -- that is what i was after
"just my two cents" use to be all pumped up about the DA program and was right in there with negative comments about other leagues. So please stop with pretending your 17 year old daughter feelings are being hurt by comments on this board. Take some accountability for the simple fact that you made the decision to put her into something you knew very little about, but it filled your prideful needs. Your daughter's team is spewing venom because it is full of parents that also refuse to be accountable and look to blame someone else's daughter. If parents ever learn to put aside their own selfish pride, the players will excel and find their place.
6/3 #11:51 - I happen to know quite a few PF DI commits as well. Guess what? My friend's kid is one for a boatload of $$$. I saw the texts. I am not trying to one-up anyone, but when people post fake news, it should be called out. Why is it anyone's concern what someone agreed to? Just like picking a club, a league, all of it; it's all a family choice. I am sure there are kids on other teams that have a spot and nothing else. Doesn't matter, if the kids and the parents whatever club are fine with their arrangement, then congratulations to them.
June 3 - 9:04 - So what? I've heard the same with TM as well. maybe it's a club philosophy. stupid, but maybe it is.I've heard parents and even kids complain that they just play everybody no matter how important a game is or isn't. Maybe it gives some of these parents and kids a false sense of expectations though. In college, only the best will play. Also, doesn't GDA and the different leagues require everyone play?Maybe that's why most or all of the kids find places to play after club. who knows.
3:35 wtf are you talking about? that's not what the poster you are calling out said at all. you seem to have the venom in your misguided post. Evelyn Wood. Look it up.And I agree, parents' pride can be the problem. Is it pride or pissed as hell that the club you pay a handsome penny to plays to loose? I read somewhere maybe on this blog that the kids don't pick the teams or the line ups or positional changes. who the heck would put a kid that is getting eaten up in the middle on the back line while taking out a strong back line player? but, it happens. oh and when the other players blame the kid how is that good. this isn't saying anything bad about the kids; they can only play their level. that's where the practices and trainings should be used more than just for inter team scrimmages or cone drills. it's about the coaches that should be helping them not harming their development, confidence, relationships. that's why just because you played doesn't mean you should coach. many coaches only know their positions or areas on the field; not the entire field. every team should have a squad of coaches like basketball.
7:48 I get your point and I know the post came off sounding like it was spewing venom, so for that I'm wrong. My point is that I'm tired of hearing everyone blame the club and the coaches for the mess they volunteered to be a part of. Before shelling out that dough, what track record was established to make anyone think that the club was going to become something different? What better players were these players going to be practicing against each practice to increase the speed and accuracy of their first touch? I agree bad game coaches cost teams one or maybe two goal games by a various varieties of horrible moves, what is the overall goal differential and can that be blamed on the coach? I would just like a parent to come on here and say "I made a bad decision". Not the whining "my daughters feelings are getting hurt and its everyone else's fault". We all pay between 2000 and 3500 a year for our club fee's, so that's irrelevant and it really comes down to who we are paying to, and did we as parents think in the best interest of our kids, or ourselves. I know a few personally that it's the latter.
Can't speak to other teams, but my kid's team, absolutely it's coaching or lack thereof in big games. you can't put weak players up against top level players and expect anything other than getting hammered. when US plays a weak team that may have a handful of very good players on it, but a handful of very good players aren't shutting down or controlling an entire roster of very good players. I have watched my kid's squad, a few high level kids, then some really good kids and then some average. I can absolutely blame coaching on the losses. Watched a coach when team was beating top team take out key players in second half; top CB, very good striker, etc. Team still managed to win but it was a struggle when it should not have been. Conversely, watched the same coach put in weak players vs a top team in 1st half; took out some weak players for 2nd half and then team tied. you don't send your team into a gun fight with pillows. At first, I thought it was coaches challenging the team, now I realize, they just don't know how to coach entire field. Watched a game this past weekend when coach moved a kid that was getting eaten up in the middle to the back line. Guess where breakdowns occurred. When you are playing strong teams, other players can't babysit their teammates. So it is the club. They should say, we will run great cone drills, but will be total screw ups come game time. See how many show up for try-outs then? That's the consumer fraud issue that some are raising around the country and it's getting traction. Honesty in advertising. It's required by most businesses including not for profits (or alleged not for profits). Get your popcorn ready.
Reality on do penn fusion kids really play?Notable Penn Fusion 98s in their first year of college:UVA wingback averaged about 40 minutes a game invited to ynt camps (related comment: the Penn Fusion 97 back played the most minutes of a UVA field player and got her first YNT call up to u23 camp)Penn state midfielder was a regular at YNT camps. Didn't play much at penn state and not sure if got any call ups sinceSyracuse midfielder started and played a lot of minutesEast Carolina Kids CB and forward starters played a lot.Buffalo forward all freshman teamThose are just the ones I know well and watched last fall on espn3 etc.Point is the better kids are playing some at top programs. Some not as much but some are ones to watch. They have some notable 2018s. One regular YNT call up. Will be watching them as well. It makes college soccer fun to watch when you know and are cheering kids on to success.PF is much maligned, but they aren't exactly begging kids to come over and play for them. Yet mine is/have been at Penn Fusion
1:28 Good post and PF does a great job promoting their players, but lets remember that Dolwart and Moyer (both YNT call ups), came from two other clubs and were already in talks with their respective colleges upon their arrival.
1:44 true fact and one PF doesn’t seem to like to talk about !
Actually true about Moyer, but not Dorwart. She came to Penn Fusion as a 12 year old- before Dorrance was committing 12 year olds...Sure she went to a camp or two, but didn't commit until she was a couple years into PF. Moyer yes, but as above could be argued as the poorest fit with her college although I hope she gets more time this year. Point was that people like to poke and say kids aren't going to play. Truth is some will and some won't. No one can tell until they get there.
7:20 Fake news? I happen to know for a fact that many of their commits have received 0-20% from those Big D1’s. I would give specific examples but I won’t call out players on here so you’ll have to do without specifics. I just can’t stand the obnoxious bragging PF does on here. Yes they get their players seen and committed but if the school doesn’t want them bad enough to offer them a good scholarship then who cares? They will likely sit most of the season. Truth hurts, sorry to ruffle your feathers.
8:09 You used the right term when you classified soccer as a business. As with any business, the consumer has the right to decide whether or not to purchase what it is offering. When you are thinking about a new place to eat, do you ask friends and relatives or look up reviews? If you heard that a service station was constantly not fixing cars correctly or overcharging for work not done, would you continue to go there? You mention honesty in advertising and consumer fraud being possible issues, yet deep did you yourself actually check into the coach's resume' before making your decision? How many former parents did you talk to regarding that same decision? Did you watch the coach's teams play any games the previous year? Going into a situation 'Eyes wide shut", does not allow us to blame everyone on the other side of the isle.
526 you are nuts. All the kids mentioned in 128 more than likely got more than 50% and their playtime verifies it. You are very arrogant to think you know from om rumor how much money another family got in athletic scholarships. There are rumors and there is the truth. Unless you saw or will see a kid's letter of intent, you cannot actually "know" what their value was to the teams. The best evidence of their value to the coach is their freshman play time. Freshmen starters and major contributors are not there as recruited roster fillers. The only exception about which I am familiar is Penn State. They will often coerce in state kids to come with little or no money with the reasoning that the in state tuition costs about the same as paying 50% (receiving a 50% scholarship) for most other P5s. So its possible that Moyer and the other PS commits are not getting much, but I actually don't know for sure. DO you?... really?...
5:22 My mistake on Dorwart, as I thought she arrived as a freshmen and had already gained National attention. Moyer did get some play time with Penn State, albeit it was limited and two knee surgeries are most likely not helping her cause. The simple truth is that very few players ever stay with their original clubs and many change two or three times. There are some that have been with four different clubs in five years. Funny how it always starts out the same. The coach is great and really understands my daughter and what she does well, to the coach is an idiot and plays favorites and plays to lose.
My kids' model was to play locally with a good coach for little kids. However the teams were relatively lower level. We augmented that primary local experience with training and secondary play on boys teams (worked because Delco was saturday and PAGS Sunday) or age up more competitive teams. Then at middle school we moved them to a mega club super league teams. In the old ECNL model they could still play with the boys and they did. One of them still trains with the local boys when she can. 2 clubs for all of my kids. Worked for us.
9:39 Congrats on not jumping from ship to ship every times something didn't work out with your kid club. So many parents have changed clubs so many times, their kids closet looks like a rainbow.
7:01, why shouldn't you jump ship if you or your kid is unhappy? We are paying for this, not the other way around. College coaches do not care who jumped around from club to club in the youth days.
7:01 so now the kids are to blame for being cut from teams and having to move to another team? or maybe they improved and needed to be pushed by better players to improve more or maybe they hit the road because they were not happy and instead of being a cancer they moved on. What's wrong with changing teams? I see it as a plus, the kids have different voices teaching them instead of the same voice and maybe the different voices see the kid at different positions.There are plenty of models to follow, depends on the options and the size of the wallet at the end of the day all that matters is that it's good for the player and the family.People on teams that need results to enter events get upset when good players leave because the team entering high level events might take a hit with poor results. The same people are calling for girls to be cut and better players brought in. This is why I've been called a shill so many times. A strong club with a strong brand will never have to worry about being accepted to an event. There will always be a place for players to play if they have thick skin (huge rosters). That's where the ID clinics come into play. I also like what 9:39 did, not everyone can pull that off, but if you can why not it's another option.So for rising Juniors am I correct in saying that D2 schools can reach out after 6/15 and D1 schools can reach out in Sept? I'm not talking about kids calling schools or schools calling club coaches.
9:18 you kind of missed the point or didn't read the earlier post regarding players unhappy with teammates. Of course it's a parents right to jump ship and play on any club their kid can make and they can afford. Just don't cry about lack of continuity, players and parents being mean, coaches coaching to lose when you choose that route. 11:11 God forbid the poor kid get cut from a team they shouldn't be playing on in the first place!! Should they at least get a participation trophy for showing up to the tryouts? First of all I would give props to the kid for at least trying out for a team that might be above their level, as it gives them a goal to work towards. Secondly, I would give greater props to a parent that finds the team that fits his kids level of play and his kid actually PLAYS MAJORITY MINUTES IN THE GAME AND FEELS LIKE SHE IS A MAJOR CONTRIBUTOR TO THE SUCCESS OF THE TEAM!! But no no no, lets bring a player to team above the ability level and when they don't play, lets blame everyone but common denominator that has moved their kid from team to team to team. The parent.
6/5 - 5:26 well, not sure who you mean, but my friend's kid plays for PF. She got VERY big $$$. Can't speak for everyone, but there are those out there that have.
6/5 @3:52 first, it's aisle not isle (unless you mean island..maybe you did). secondly, just because you do or don't do investigation regarding the club does not relieve the club of it's duties as a business. it's not your job to investigate. it's their duty to advertise truthfully. the burden is on the business not the consumer.
june 5 7:39 - are you saying that coaches are not accountable? Do you not see some that play to loose? I see some that absolutely play to win and some that play to loose. College will be different, the expectations are much higher. Jobs depend on team records. Winning is expected. And, playing time depends on productivity not favoritism. Some may be in for a rude awakening.
11:49 Of course the coaches are accountable. They are accountable to the decisions made by their employers on whether to retain them as coaches or fire them. If the coach requirements is just putting 18 girls on the field at 2000 bucks each and bringing in $36,000 dollars for two or three teams each year, then why would they fire him? If the club want accountability the 18 players along with the money, plus the ability to be a great practice and game coach, and be able to be a liaison with all college coaches, then the clubs search may be more exhausting and extensive. As our kids grew with the game, our job as parents has always been to watch these coaches and literally scout them before we decide to invest our dollars, (five to twelve thousand) and our time, a year of our daughters life and all the other sacrifices that go along with it. If a person is considering bringing his daughter to a new club under a new coach and knowing the investment of time and money going in. Why wouldn't they spend the time watching three for four games to see how he or she coached? Why wouldn't they ask existing parents about practice or college liaison contacts the coach may have? Only a fool would throw their money and their kids blindly into a situation that openly showed no reward. Or a person with more money than brains and simply wanted the pride in saying my daughter plays for this club, see the letters on the shirt.
I don't have the time to put that into checking out a coach. if the club is promoting him/her, then it's the club's job. you hire a bad employee; that employee performs poorly for other clients/customers...us; you don't say to the customer/client well you should have stopped by our offices and watched; you should have check him/her out. No. They relied on you, the employer to make a good decision and hire the proper employee. they don't look to the employee; your employee to recover their losses; they look to you the business owner. that's the way it works. and what about the club heads that shouldn't be coaching. they already think they are good. so their vision of good coaching is already not correct. but how do you know that? how do you know they only coach one part of the field? I'm listening to parents on the sidelines. That's where you get your information. And not just from the parents who have the bubble kids; but those that have the kids that are saving the coaches arses. when they are saying what is he/she doing? who does ice hockey line up changes in tight games; in important games; at all? then you know, it's coaching, not the kids. and I don't mean in meaningless games. then everyone should get in. I'm talking about games that matter for post season; for other titles that everyone on that roster can put on their soccer resume for college coaches. just my two actually three (inflation) cents.
speaking of coaching, see the USYNT U17 team boasting about beating up Bermuda. multiple posts about beating a high school level team, Bermuda. didn't hear anything about the older team and their "corpses" several months ago. saw this almost two years ago, USYNT multiple bragging posts about their U17 team before WCups. How did that work out? this is a hype sport anymore it seems.
To answer an early question on ID camps and committing, my daughter ended up committing to a school she didn't do an ID camp at but which she knew the coach from elsewhere, and she was scouted a number of times at showcases. Bit of an unusual situation but just offering it to show it can happen.On SATs, she was told that as a sophomore, she didn't need to take it yet but since she was already signed up, she was told a score they were looking for at that age, which was about 70 point less than what they ultimately wanted. Also told that if she made the minimum score expected of a junior/senior, she didn't really need to worry about taking it again.On ID clinics and cattle calls, I'll echo the comments about Villanova. They have a huge number of camps and don't do a particularly good job of following up with players. Of course, when you're taking around 13 kids a class, I guess you need cattle calls to get enough players. Penn was a solid ID clinic but you should expect to do more than one clinic to get their attention. Duke ID clinics give a very good feel for how conceited the program is. On feedback/responses, before the new rules came into play, the way feedback / expressions of interests have been handled has run the gamut. My DD had clinics where the coaches pulled her aside and told her they really liked and would be watching her, to clinics where she really stood out and there was no feedback but then one day an assistant coach shows up to her club practice, to instead of getting the standard "good job" as the players go through the line at the end, the head coach says "great job, [name], we'll be in touch". But for the most part, it's an email to the club coach a week or two later. I will say that even when she has gotten positive reactions from an ID clinic, it has not always translated to the school showing up to watch her play.On the effect of the new rule, she did several camps right after the rule came out and the coaches were very "conservative" with the players as they were still learning how the rules will play out. At one camp, rather than talk about the school's recruiting process and what they look for, they talked instead about what the new rule means. The after clinic one-on-one talks with coach were also avoided.We are not planning to do any more ID clinics since she committed, one, because we're very happy with her choice but two, why pay money when there's little in the way of training, and when her club offers plenty of training opportunities already. But, if we found a clinic that was nearby and that also taught (instead of just evaluating), I'd consider signing her up after checking with her college coach. To be clear, we haven't been told she can't do that.TIFWIW
11:33 That's actually good information on this blog. I did have one question for you though. Did you find more coaches asking about ACT scores, rather than SAT's score? 10:12 You don't have time to check into the legitimacy of a coach? And of your investment that going to cost you thousand of dollars, with also the possibility of gaining or losing thousands more depending on the college? Pssst...we got this prime land down in Florida for sale and here's a picture of what it looks like. If your that lazy you deserve whatever comes your way, unfortunately your daughter does not. Maybe you can walk up and down the sidelines during games and listen to the parents on the opposing teams, see if have some good info for next years stop.
When test scores came up, it was mostly in terms of SAT, but then I think that's the general shorthand. I know at least one coach mentioned taking whichever one we thought was the better fit, but I would think that may be school-dependent.
Good post 11:33My daughter committed a few days after the 1st camp she attended at one of her targeted schools.Same story, the HC and the AC both knew her name as she stood in line to shake hands.Then the coaches were accompanying the kids that wanted a tour.The HC was talking to my daughter for much of the time and the AC coach was talking to us, the parents. The next day she called him at a predetermined time and he offered her 1/2 athletic scholarship and the max academic for her major... i don't know how that works - she had to get a 28 on the ACT and needed a 3.4 gpa, which she exceeded.Everyone that gets a D1 scholarship their own story and in my opinion, there is a good academic money out there for year one, and if the kid walks on or takes little money that situation can change quickly with a few good touches in the summer sessions before the years starts. They can give her money in years 2, 3, and 4. Talking to the HC at Jeff Cup this year - he said that my daughter expressed how much that school was where she wanted to attend and that's why it went so quickly.
good camp/commit info from you both. thanks!
Thanks 11:33 and 3:38 for sharing.We let our daughter talk to the coaches at camp or when she called them after they contacted her club coach - she walks with the other girls during a tour.When did you guys get involved? I'm guessing once the school knew they wanted your kid?What class 2019 or 2020, my daughter has been told they are finalizing 2019s by three schools (Is that a standard reply to a 2020 they are on the fence with)?I know they like her or they wouldn't have reached out to the club coach, I know what the club coach told me and what my kid tells me and stuff I read on here and other sites.Thanks again
11:33 again, Class of 2020. On class year, different schools fill up at different times. More "popular" programs (defined by team success, draw of the school, etc) tend to fill up mostly with sophomores (and very talented freshmen). Less popular program (less successful or smaller D1 programs and many D3) will take mostly juniors who didn't get selected for whatever reason by the more popular programs. This is obviously a big generalization but if your child is looking at one of those "less popular" (for lack of a better term) programs, then they are likely finishing up their 2019 class. Also, in our experience, some of the more academically challenging schools wait until junior year before making offers because they want a better idea of how the player is doing academically in order to avoid wasting an offer on someone who can't qualify. Coaching changes can also push back the schedule for when a school fills up its class. On when I got involved, it was really minimal. I think I only interacted with a coach when we were at an on-campus visit or when an offer was being made. I never even listened her side of a phone call with a coach but I did stay aware of what calls were happening and did see any emails forwarded by her club coach.
To add one more point about whether the "just filling up our 2019 class" potentially being a line, check out the commitment list for the school on Top Drawer and search twitter for the school's name along with variations on the word "commit" and see how many 2020 commits you find. If it's more than one or two, then they may well be stringing your daughter along as a fallback, but if there's only one or two (or none), then you're probably fine.But keep track of how the classes of the schools you're interested in are filling up.
Anyone here with IVY experience? Since there are no athletic/academic scholarships how do they attract top athletes compared to colleges that do offer both?
3:38 here...Just like my friend 11:33 - my involvement was minimal... Again just conversing with the coaches during the tour...My daughter committed as a rising junior at 15 years old.She handled everything... she didn't negotiate and left $7k (plus books) away from a full ride... I could have easily negotiated that, but she was raised to fight for herself and I had to bite the towel over that money that could have been included.Her ECNL coach did nothing for her, as was generally the case with most of the committed players. The coaches were not fans of his, and the HC did not speak to him at all.
I thought this was a good read about ID Camps. Is this true? ID Camps better than showcases? My daughter is an 03 entering 9th grade this year. Besides the name calling and ego boosting, this board offers some good actual information.https://isoccerpath.com/college-id-camps-take-over/
even though my DD accepted her offer from a school she didn't camp out, I would agree that ID camps are the best way to get a college's attention. To sate the obvious, if you paying the money and driving to go there, then it's a good sign that you're at least a certain level of interest in the school. Compare that to a showcase, where players will send out emails to loads of schools regardless of how real their interest is (and from the player's perspective, why not, it's free and you might get lucky). Also, as the article notes, it gives the coach a lot more time to evaluate players than the 30 minutes to a half that coaches will typically watch a player at a game. The coach can also give instructions to a player and see how she responds, or can shift around her position to check her flexibility, neither of which is possible just watching a game.Having said all that, I think very few schools would offer a player based solely on her camp performance (and that's based on personal experience and having heard it directly from coaches at ID clinics). And that's why you still have to do the showcases as coaches want to see a player in real game situations (you might get lucky and have a nearby school come to your league game, but generally, it's the showcases where coaches come out).
I wish there was a way to edit posts. Three typos just in the first two lines.
My daughter handled just about everything by herself. She 1st emailed schools that were on both her radar for athletics and academics. She emailed them her schedule for the events they were scheduled for. Then she would go to the ID camps for those schools and would ask for feedback after the camps. She was able to get campus visits from there and was lucky enough to get a D1 offer from the school she really loved. The process took about 6 months. I must say we were extremely lucky everything worked out well because of the timing. Although it’s not a full ride it’s a very good combo of both academic and athletic money. The lesson I learned is to be persistent and let them know your very interested no matter what their interest is because it tells them your serious about their program.
love those parents in the know. PDA isn't paying the money to go to playoffs, right? wonder if they are reporters.
1:36 That's something the Grammar Nazi would have complained about.
3:15 - I unofficially retired in 2017, and today I am making it official.You can take over... it's all yours.
Ok. Butt Im' not sure if I can meet your high standards of puncuation and grammer.
6/9 9:47 - no way PDA kids would bail out. Their DOC wouldn't have it. Even their seniors last year went directly from graduation to ECNL playoffs in Chicago. Some even returned from playing in college spring ball to head out as well. There are certain clubs where you don't dial it in or you can't play for yourself. PDA is one of them.
Sorry to go back so far, haven't been on here in a bit6/5 - 5:22 - isn't there a kid from that club that went to UVA that hardly plays too? She was on multiple YNT teams in high school. I guess the morale of the story is that college is different from youth teams. It's common for kids to disappear into the college landscape. It's one thing to know your local competition, but when you are in a team of kids from all around the country and internationally, it's a lot different.
It's not just soccer, the same can be said for all college sports. It's easy to be notice the sharks swimming with the minnows, but when its a whole pool of sharks as big time college ball is, then it's a different story.
I know PDA has made the decision to go back to the ECNL, but looking at it now and beginning to wonder what teams will actually give PDA a good game? At least in the DA there was solid competition when playing the other top three teams in their league. In addition the DA does a great job setting up their showcases and playoffs.
Why even bother going to the showcase in Seattle when all of the college coaches are in San Diego at GDA AGAIN. What a rip-off. Just as GDA needs to re-think their HS/Substitution rules, ECNL has to re-think their idiotic $4000 trips for showcases in front of second tier schools. https://admin.totalglobalsports.com/public/collgecoachattending.aspx?eid=737vs http://www.ussoccerda.com/college-coach-scout-check-in(although this has Boys teams too)
10:45 Why does everyone insist its about a good game?
So two players at each DA game won't play? No big deal as it's a long week and they'll get major minutes in the next couple games. What sucks is the week long stay at $300.00 a day, that's with Wifi and parking included so it's a special deal. Almost forgot the $12.00 entry fee to get into the games to see your kid play, unless of course they are not playing that day. But hey, the weather will be awesome!!
Your assumptions are a bit off (if you are discussing games)- most teams select players that will play to travel - unlike ECNL or National League - no hotel stay is needed because it’s just one game a weekend- obviously PDA messed this up and had the usual 24 kids per teamIf you are talking about the showcases - entire team travels and everyone plays ( I was some teams travel with a minimum squad, though)If you are talking about playoffs - some people will stay behind - in playoffs the group format guarantees minimum number of games- in playoffs once you get to knockout stage GDA covers hotel and transport costs - in playoffs top college coaches watch the games, not assistant coaches from D3 community colleges
Good to see Tino on the blog today doing some top notch defending, although some of it not true at all.
5:50 (Tino) If your going to explain what you said, be clear. All parents are arriving and paying for rooms and transport up to the 29th. Only if the team makes the quarters finals, will the 30th be paid for. Any teams that advance from there will play in Missouri in July and that tab the GDA will pick up in full. Definitely a good deal for any teams and players that make it past the quarters, but Tino's english so often comes off as arrogance. I'm sure he did not mean to sound arrogant when he wrote "in playoffs, top college coaches watch the games, not assistant coaches from D3 community colleges". He simply meant that D3's know these players are beyond their reach and do not attend. Tino, warum musst du ein arroganter Schawanz sein?
I’m sorry but I am not your Tino folks. Not even the right area. I am unaware of PF politics and I apologize if I hit a nerve.
No nerves touched. PF parents are widely known for their nerves of steel, charming to the last, high moral fiber, commitment to the team above the individual, and believing in what their coach is doing is right for their daughter.
Anyone have a college coach list for Seattle? Thanks.
Check the post by 11:04 for college list
9:49 - commitment to the team above the individual? I nearly vomited in my mouth. individual play is their club motto.
Thanks 11:20 - and 11:04Not a bad college list at all for ECNL Seattle - and as was stated - quite a few that will be attending yet not listed.
6/5 - 5:22 - isn't there a kid from that club that went to UVA that hardly plays too? She was on multiple YNT teams in high school. I guess the morale of the story is that college is different from youth teams. It's common for kids to disappear into the college landscape. It's one thing to know your local competition, but when you are in a team of kids from all around the country and internationally, it's a lot different.Look back another couple of posts. That PF '98 player is mentioned in a couple post earlier summary. She did actually play a fair amount. One of the first subs. As stated about 40 minutes a game. Played as an attacking wingback in their back 3 defense which truly featured Phoebe McClernon as the center centerback in the formation. As a result despite never being invited to a YNT camp prior, she is now a regular with the U23s. Swanson's sitting next to JE on the full team's bench may have had something to do with her moving into the fore.
aren't there 3 from that club on that team? do all 3 get a fair amount of playing time? I don't know.
Well two were discussed above that do get a lot of time. The third was at a bunch of national camps as well as a youth player. Will be a junior this year, She played a fair amount her first year and didn't play as much last year.
Congrats to SJEB Academy and Berna Legacy at EDP play today. PDA Fusion not so much as they gave up one to many goals.
How did they do?
Fusion gave up 8 goals in three games, which doesn't lead to many wins. They did beat Philly Coppa 4-3 though. I think with the the DA girls returning to ECNL play, you'll see a solid trickle down of talent that'll impact the teams.
SJEB joining the women's DA program. Congrats to that club for stepping up to the plate. PDA players that wanted to still play at a high level in the DA, will not have that opportunity.
Cedar Stars Bergen West seems to be one of the improved teams at U17 this year. Recent wins over a couple of teams above them in NJ. Not a great league showing, but yes - improved.
congrats to the SJEB Academy. Will the high level PDA kids move to their academy? Or are they going to Cedar Stars or NYFSC? They still have options so that good.
SJEB used to bleed players to PF and PDA South. That trend will probably stop.
7:20 makes a good point about other options that are available. Those kind of options could make make for a couple rough years for SJEB. Similar to the problem Penn Fusion creates for PA Classics.
DOC of PF came to SJEB to talk about GDA last week.
I wonder what TM charged for that conversation and what the advice was? Gib mir 30 Euro und eine schachtel pralinen fur meine freundschaft!!
What’s the distance from say PF to SJEB or from PF to Classics? Are they really in competition from same player pool?In northern NJ PDA will still be the big fish at older age groups because they have most of the key players on board? Other than kids leaving PDA at U14 - I have not heard of anyone switching teams. It probably would not be publicized anyways.
PF gets players from the Harrisburg area, families that not only live much closer to PAC, but would save a lot of money while their daughters are getting the same great training. The travel distance to PAC for these families is 30 minutes or less, while it's an hour to and hour and a half one way in order to get to PF fields. That's also including a fifty dollar a week PA turnpike cost, but who can argue with the cost when you see the success of PF and their ability to find players places to play?
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