Monday, April 23, 2018

U17 (2001) Girls Youth Soccer

U17 girls soccer takes no prisoners--they are well trained and fiercely competitive. 

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Anonymous said...

3:05 Middle of the table? I would have agreed with you if two of the best mids had stayed on, but since they didn't, it'll be more like a water table.

Anonymous said...

Hey pessimistic PAC U19 parent (I think we can all assume), why did your kid stay If you have nothing good to say which you obviously have NOTHING good to say!!! If your kid is leaving the U19 team then well dont let the door hit you on your way out. No one gives 2 shits about your opinion on next year.

Anonymous said...

5:35 Of course they do! It's the only honest opinion out of the group and as shown by your angry comment, facts hurt feelings. The PAC girls will play just as hard as they always do and the parents will cheer them on as they always do. The good thing is the scores do not matter to college coaches, and that is why the hard working PAC defender just picked up a D1 scholarship two weeks ago. Have a cold beer Pancho, it's almost Friday.

Anonymous said...

Well that mystery is solved. May the sidelines of HMMS bring you the happiness you’re looking for.

Anonymous said...

Not sure where the HMMS reference comes from, not even sure where their fields are, but if it makes your day better. HMMS should join in the Classic fold as well, that will even benefit Classics even more when they finally go the ECNL route. PAC as an ECNL club would become a formidable club.

Anonymous said...


HMMS will never merge with PAC, not happening.
And yes she's returning to her club.
Not sure how U19 will even field a team...

Anonymous said...

5:49
How much $$ was the scholarship? :)

Anonymous said...

MF has 'poached' no starters (only 1 backup Middie)... they made a lineup adjustment with current players, that's the real story - and are scoring a lot more.... Period - Where do people get their fake news from?

Anonymous said...

8:36 from the ECNL game reports and results.

Anonymous said...

Please last year there was at least one kid, maybe two, that was on the same game report as PDA; same game weekend. Not sure if it was poaching, it was sure not in accordance with the rules. But wait, DOC is on the ECNL Board. Oh that's why they're going back. Can't compete unless writing the rules.

Anonymous said...

USSDA / ECNL / NPL
FC Fury NY U-16/17 2.22
Albertson Fury ECNL U17 0.17
Albertson Fury 01 NPL 0.17

New York City FC U-16/17 1.92
World Class ECNL U17 0.25
World Class FC 01 NPL 2.25

FC Stars U-16/17 0.87
FC Stars ECNL U17 2.67
FC Stars 01 NPL 3.00

Sky Blue - PDA U-16/17 2.20
PDA ECNL U17 0.88
PDA South 01 NPL 3.00
PDA North 01 NPL 1.17

Connecticut FC ECNL U17 2.00
Connecticut FC 01 NPL 1.50

East Meadow SC ECNL U17 1.67
East Meadow SC 01 NPL 1.17

Match Fit Academy U17 1.50
Match Fit Academy 01 NPL 1.80

FC Boston ECNL U17 1.50
Scorpions SC 01 NPL 2.29

FSA ECNL U17 1.20
FSA FC 01 NPL 0.33

FC Bucks ECNL U17 1.14
FC Bucks 01 NPL 1.50

Continental FC U17 0.57
Continental FC 01 NPL 0.00

Bethesda SC ECNL U17 3.00

Maryland United ECNL U17 1.43

Anonymous said...

Mr. List, are PF and PAC off this weekend?

Anonymous said...

PAC and PF play FC Stars and Boston Breakers this weekend.

Anonymous said...

PennFusion
Saturday, May 5 2018
1:00 PM vs Boston Breakers Academy U-16/17

Sunday, May 6 2018
12:00 PM vs FC Stars U-16/17


PA Classics
Saturday, May 5 2018
11:00 AM vs FC Stars U-16/17

Sunday, May 6 2018
11:00 AM vs Boston Breakers Academy U-16/17

Mr List

Anonymous said...

7:04 For that info you would have to ask her parents. Although losing her is a big loss, losing the other 01 mid hurts just as much. Strong fast player with parents that never made waves and was like having an on site physical therapist. Player and parents will be missed.

Anonymous said...

@ 6:18 Can I ask why you don’t just go to another club? It’s obvious to all by now you don’t like the club that your kids at now.

Anonymous said...

7:46 Why would anyone leave a club that's run by two individuals that show nothing by class, even under dire circumstances? They have no control over the players they draw, only how they react to the situation. I'm beginning to feel you do not deal with honesty well.

Anonymous said...

I dont think you answered that question.

Anonymous said...

Answered it perfectly and the conversations done. PAC is a great place to showcase holding mids, defensive backs and keepers. So if your a parent of one of those positions, your kid is getting great exposure in front of college coaches. Enjoy the weekend, have a cold beer or two and up the Zoloft dosage. You'll be fine.

Anonymous said...

What an ass. I hope for the sake of the other PAC parents that happy camper decided to leave the club with his kid. Can’t imagine listening to that every week!

Anonymous said...

Your right. 11:47pm has got to be the most irritating parent to be next to on the sideline. 11:14 patiently explained it to him at least 10 times and it still hasn't set in. But enough PAC talk for this year, how about some scores Mr. List?

Anonymous said...

You got it 7:56 Below are the reported scores

NY CUP 2018
1 New York Surf SC G01 Long Island
0 Nirvana North 91
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New Jersey Cup 2018
3 PSA Wildcats Fury-NPL
0 World Class - SCP EDP NPL

0 FC Berna Legacy 01 Black
3 Cedar Stars Academy - Monmouth 2001 Green

3 SJEB Rush 01 Premier White
0 GPS NJ Central 01/02

0 PDA Fusion
1 Cedar Stars Academy Bergen West 01 NPL

8 Watchung Hills NJ Elite 2001 Flames
0 TSF Academy 2001
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NJ National Championship Series Final 4
2 SJEB Rush 2001 G Academy
0 Watchung Hills SA NJ Elite 2001G Flames

2 PDA Shore Fusion 2001
1 NJ Stallions Ac ademy 01 Freedom
----------------------------------------------------------
NPL Northeast Girls
2 FC Bucks 01 NPL
0 Albertson Fury 01 NPL

0 PDA North 01 NPL
2 Connecticut FC 01 NPL
----------------------------------------------------------
ECNL Northeast Girls
2 World Class ECNL U17
3 FC Boston ECNL U17

2 East Meadow SC ECNL U17
2 Maryland United ECNL U17

1 Match Fit Academy U17
0 FSA ECNL U17
----------------------------------------------------------
U.S. SOCCER DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY
0 Washington Spirit Academy - Baltimore Armour U-16/17
1 New York City FC U-16/17

Anonymous said...

Mr. List, Big Red, Pissy PAC parent .. what other weirdos do we have roaming this blog? Can I be DA daddio?

Anonymous said...

I think you have to lay claim to the name to actually have it. Pissy PAC parent applies to to many, but in truth,PAC parents represent every emotion there is, lamenting, sad, angry, confident, self depreciating. I've might have missed one though. It's like the emotional wheel of fortune on here, never know where it will stop.

Anonymous said...

Why does PDA create only ecnl team brackets? Are they afraid that some non ecnl teams might put the league in their place? There’s a couple of teams in the non ecnl brackets that would give any of the ecnl teams a run for their money.......

Anonymous said...

6:10 it’s because the ECNL events count towards their national playoffs. They need to play ECNL clubs to keep it fair for the league.

Anonymous said...

Only the league counts towards the playoffs in ECNL.

Also, PDA is on the board of ECNL, they make the rules for events, who gets into the league, how many teams they should have.

Anonymous said...

5:40 nailed that one! The real truth is that having non ECNL teams beat ECNL teams is bad for business. There's a reason why PDA is one of the best run soccer clubs in Region One, it's because the know what their doing.

Anonymous said...

Hey Daddio - don't forget Rage Parent (provides good info)

6:10 TheECNL league has 3 post season events, they use their league games plus 3 showcase events to come up with the below like 7:17 said.
32 teams playin Champions league
16 teams qualify for North American
16 teams qualify for Showcase
The remaining bottom teamsstay at home.

Some more recorded results from the weekend:

U.S. SOCCER DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY

1 PA Classics U-16/17
1 FC Stars U-16/17

7 FC Virginia U-16/17
0 Long Island SC U-16/17

4 Washington Spirit Academy - Virginia U-16/17
1 Sky Blue - NYSC U-16/17

0 Empire United U-16/17
7 Sky Blue - PDA U-16/17

0 Virginia Development Academy U-16/17
3 FC Fury NY U-16/17

1 PA Classics U-16/17
2 Boston Breakers Academy U-16/17

1 Penn Fusion Soccer Academy U-16/17
0 FC Stars U-16/17

2 Washington Spirit Academy - Virginia U-16/17
0 New York City FC U-16/17

5 Oakwood Soccer Club U-16/17
3 Cedar Stars Academy - Monmouth U-16/17
-----------------------------------------
ECNL Northeast

0 PDA ECNL U17
0 Connecticut FC ECNL U17

0 PDA ECNL U17
3 FSA ECNL U17

0 East Meadow SC ECNL U17
2 Bethesda SC ECNL U17

0 Match Fit Academy U17
1 Connecticut FC ECNL U17
-----------------------------------------
Northeast NPL

4 Match Fit Academy 01 NP
1 FSA FC 01 NPL

0 East Meadow SC 01 NPL
2 PDA South 01 NPL

2 Match Fit Academy 01 NPL
2 Connecticut FC 01 NPL

1 Albertson Fury 01 NPL
0 Continental FC 01 NPL

0 PDA North 01 NPL
1 FSA FC 01 NPL

4 PDA South 01 NPL
1 Scorpions SC 01 NPL
-----------------------------------------
EDP NPL

6 ALLEYCATS 2001G NPL
0 NEW JERSEY RUSH 01 GIRLS NPL

0 FC COPA ACADEMY G01 BLACK
3 NJ WILDCATS FURY-NPL

1 DELAWARE FOOTBALL DEFC 01 GIRLS
0 MARYLAND RUSH RUSH 01G NPL

3 BETHESDA SC STORM 01
1 SAC PREMIER BLUE
-----------------------------------------
NYCSL NPL

0NJ Crush NPL-01
0 Massapequa NPL-01

0 NJ Stallions NPL-01
1 STA NPL-01

5 SUSA NPL-01
0 Quickstrike NPL-01
-----------------------------------------
New Jersey Cup 2018 (US CLub)

2 STA-MUSC 2001 NPL
1 NJ Wildcats Crew
-----------------------------------------
NY CUP 2018 (US Club)

4 Manhattan Pride
1 SUSA G01 Elite White
-----------------------------------------
PA-E NCS Final 4

2 PENN UNITED FORCE '01 GIRLS
0 Lehigh Valley United FC Girls 2001

Mr List

Anonymous said...

And for those that play in the EDP SPRING LEAGUE 2018.

1st Division North

2 LAGRANGE RAGE
4 CAPITAL UNITED SC BLUE FORCE

0 ALLEYCATS 2001G NPL
1 NEW YORK SURF SOCCER CLUB G01

4 SOUTH CENTRAL PREMIER SPIRIT
3 SUSA ELITE WHITE 01
----------------------------------------------------------
1st Division Central

8 WATCHUNG HILLS NJ ELITE 2001G FLAMES
2 PDA SHORE FUSION

3 PRINCETON SA PREMIER ELITE 01 NORTH
2 THISTLE COMETS

0 CLARKSTOWN 2001 WHITE
8 WATCHUNG HILLS NJ ELITE 2001G FLAMES

0 PRINCETON SA PREMIER ELITE 01 NORTH
0 FC BERNA LEGACY 01G BLACK
----------------------------------------------------------
1st Division East

3 HARLEYSVILLE READY 2001
0 YMS PREMIER 01 BANSHEES

1 PENN LEGACY 01 BLACK F
1 PHILADELPHIA SC COPPA BLUE STORM

0 HARLEYSVILLE READY 2001
0 PHILADELPHIA SC COPPA BLUE STORM
----------------------------------------------------------
1st Division South

2 BALTIMORE CELTIC SC ELITE 01 GIRLS
0 OBGC FREEDOM BLUE

3 OBGC FREEDOM BLUE
5 GREAT FALLS 01G RENEGADES RED

Mr List

Anonymous said...

Congrats to Penn United getting to the PA State Cup finals. Got to give the Crazed Red Card Coach some credit, he does coach his players up. The fact that his fields are a stones throw away from Classic/legacy, means he's not always getting the cream of the crop.

Anonymous said...

That is awesome!!
Thanks Penn United parent!!

Anonymous said...

It’s mainly rec teams that compete in state cup but ok.

Anonymous said...

ECNL Post Season races starting to heat up
*** Region1
ECNL Champions League Qualifiers
1 Florida Elite SA ECNL U17
2 So Cal Blues SC ECNL U17
3 Mustang SC ECNL U17
4 Carolina Elite Soccer Academy ECNL U17
5 Tennessee SC ECNL U17
6 SLSG-MO ECNL U17
7 Ohio Elite SA ECNL U17
8 *** Bethesda SC ECNL U17
9 *** McLean YSA ECNL U17
10 Davis Legacy ECNL U17
11 Solar SC ECNL U17
12 Sting Dallas ECNL U17
13 Alabama FC ECNL U17
14 Vardar ECNL U17
15 Washington Premier ECNL U17
16 *** FC Stars ECNL U17
17 TSC Hurricane ECNL U17
18 Minnesota Thunder Academy ECNL U17
19 Heat FC ECNL U17
20 Elite Girls Academy U17
21 Ohio Premier ECNL U17
22 Crossfire United ECNL U17
23 *** FC Boston ECNL U17
24 Challenge SC ECNL U17
25 Florida Krush ECNL U17
26 FC Nova ECNL U17
27 *** Richmond United ECNL U17
28 Slammers FC ECNL U17
29 MVLA ECNL U17
30 *** Match Fit Academy U17
31 *** Connecticut FC ECNL U17
32 NTH-TopHat ECNL U17

ECNL North American Cup Qualifiers
1 FC Pride ECNL U17
2 GSA ECNL U17
3 Tampa Bay United ECNL U17
4 Colorado Storm ECNL U17
5 Concorde Fire ECNL U17
6 Real Colorado ECNL U17
7 San Juan SC ECNL U17
8 Sting Austin ECNL U17
9 FC Wisconsin ECNL U17
10 AHFC ECNL U17
11 Arsenal FC ECNL U17
12 Strikers FC ECNL U17
13 Internationals SC ECNL U17
14 *** FSA ECNL U17
15 *** BRYC Elite Academy ECNL U17
16 Sereno SC ECNL U17

ECNL Showcase Qualifiers
1 Pleasanton Rage U17
2 Carolina Rapids ECNL U17
3 *** Maryland United ECNL U17
4 *** East Meadow SC ECNL U17
5 D'Feeters SC ECNL U17
6 Dallas Texans ECNL U17
7 West Coast FC ECNL U17
8 NCFC Youth ECNL U17
9 SLSG-IL ECNL U17
10 *** FC Bucks ECNL U17
11 *** PDA ECNL U17
12 *** WNY Flash ECNL U17
13 Utah Avalanche ECNL U17
14 FC Dallas ECNL U17
15 San Diego Surf ECNL U17
16 FC Portland ECNL U17

ECNL NO EVENTS
17 Atlanta Fire United ECNL U17
18 NC Fusion ECNL U17
19 *** World Class ECNL U17
20 Eclipse Select SC ECNL U17
21 *** Continental FC U17
22 FC Alliance ECNL U17
23 South Carolina United ECNL U17
24 Del Mar Sharks ECNL U17
25 *** Pittsburgh Riverhounds ECNL U17
26 Orlando City ECNL U17
27 Santa Rosa United U17
28 Michigan Hawks ECNL U17
29 Classics Elite ECNL U17
30 Armada Youth Academy ECNL U17
31 Crossfire Premier ECNL U17
32 *** Albertson Fury ECNL U17

Anonymous said...

2:23 That 1776 rec team has beaten a lot of teams in the top flight this last year. Must have been embarrassing for those teams.

Anonymous said...

Why can’t you rec teams ever just admit that your a rec team ?

Anonymous said...

Does this ever get old? Please say yes.

Anonymous said...

Was at a game on Saturday. Heard a rumor that PDA - GDA teams aren't going to San Diego. Is this true?

Anonymous said...

It's just hard to. Maybe it wouldn't be if so many of those ECNL teams had a little more talent, and wasn't in the same tournament brackets or below those lowly rec teams. Totally respect PDA, FC Stars of Mass, Penn Fusion DA and a few others, but over half of the others money spent on the letters. But hey, someone has to be in the bottom half and the good teams bench players have to play sometime.

Anonymous said...

Someone is obviously a little salty!
The rec team in higher brackets for chasing points and they get players who mostly can’t make an ECNL team .
Enjoy your rec experience !

Anonymous said...

3:31 1776 United results vs ECNL doesn't support your post.

Top 32 ECNL Teams
0 - 1 RICHMOND UNITED SC VA ECNL
1 - 2 BETHESDA SC ECNL
0 - 2 MCLEAN YS ECNL

ECNL Teams 33-48
0 - 2 BRADDOCK ROAD YOUTH CLUB ELITE ACADEMY ECNL

ECNL Teams 49-67
3 - 1 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY ECNL

ECNL Teams 67+
3 - 1 ALBERTSON SC ECNL
2 - 4 ALBERTSON SC ECNL
1 - 0 PITTSBURGH RIVERHOUNDS ECNL
1 - 0 ALBERTSON SC ECNL

Mr List

Anonymous said...

State cups is their level of play . At least they can be successful there. Gives them something to brag about on social media .

Anonymous said...

Congrats 1776 is the best of the rec

Anonymous said...

My daughter plays for a rec team. So does that mean all that athletic money she's getting is to play in her college rec league? If so, that's cool as it's still quite green and plentiful.

(The rec team dude is a real rectum!)

Anonymous said...

My daughter's rec team is not playing in the PA State Cup this year, but because of her rec teams heavy tournament schedule, is receiving numerous college offers. That being said, by this fall our rec team will end up 4 to 6 D1 commits (60% to 100% scholarship), and another 4 to 6 in regards to D2 (if they choose that route). Two are looking at Technological schools like MIT and RPI, so obviously the D1 thing is not a concern for them.
Personally, I take no offense to my daughter's team being called a rec team as long as these are the results. From what I can tell, the uniform she wears has not caused any psychological damage, even though it is a rec team related uniform. I do know that when she finally makes her decision on Oct 1st, I will give her rec coach a big thanks and probably a nice gift card. Then I will thank God that part is over.
Rage Parent

Anonymous said...

well said RP !

Anonymous said...

So what is the classification of a rec team? I always thought rec teams were school teams hence recreational, no pay to play, usually parent or volunteer coaching. Now anything not DA or ECNL is rec?

Anonymous said...

The "Rec Team" reference was strictly a "tongue in cheek comment" in regards to 9:54 qualifying 1776 as a "rec" team. Some feel that anything that does not carry and ECNL or DA tag is a lower standard, and in some instances they would be correct. I've stated on here before that I feel ECNL is the best promotional tool for college and what they do is geared for it.
Rage Parent

Anonymous said...

Well said RP regarding your daughter's team and player accomplishments.

All other posters referring to rec teams are just arrogant d bags.

Anonymous said...

PAC is screwed if Harrisburg ever gets its act together and gets either a DA or ECNL franchise. This affiliation means what between LDC/rush and Classics? Will Becher put in his own ECNL application soon? Without players coming in from the north/ northeast, they will struggle mightily to field a competitive team.

PAC lost players from north/northeast/east areas to PF in the past. Looking at the addresses of the DA teams lots of Central PA players and from the stats some of the most successful at PF.

Even your touted 99/00 injured kid comes in from the north and would likely have gone to penn fc if it were a reasonable option.
PAC doesn't do enough to offer its top girls competitive training and programming. Pulisic's fame can only carry them so far. If you are going to try and field top girl's programming MH ans SK, you had better offer the top kids a decent opportunity. Nowhere close to there yet still bleeding the best.

Anonymous said...

Pissy PAC parent is that you??

Anonymous said...

"You had better offer the top kids a decent opportunity"

What exactly do you mean by this, 1:54?

Anonymous said...

"Pissy PAC parent"? Is there any other kind? Haha

Anonymous said...

Didnt most of our kids play rec? I consider township teams and the like rec. Rec was very good to my kid. Taught her to love this crazy sport.

Anonymous said...

Looks like that "brilliant" lineup change didn't work last weekend for Match Fit ECNL... 1-0 and 0-1???
What's next?

Anonymous said...

3:08 So true. My kids loved playing for their local township team. It was actually the township coach that suggested they move on to a higher level of play. Its the training ground for parents on how to be over bearing and over the top. Then as they get older we graduate to overpaying, going all over the country and the final realization that we need to get over it. Do we get smarter as we go? Or just realize that we don't mater as much as we thought we once did?
Rage Parent

Anonymous said...

Personally I’ve been rethinking the whole DA thing to be honest. It’s almost become more stressful than its worth. Meanwhile my daughter is missing out on playing high school sports with her friends and lots of memories. She isn’t national team bound. She may get a decent D1 scholarship but she’s also smart so she will likely get a nice academic scholarship anyway. One really has to stop and think, this whole soccer thing is only 4 years and then it’s over. Not sure the price is worth the payout. Sure makes me wish we had an ECNL club closer. I agree it’s the best place to be but teams like 1776 aren’t far behind.

Anonymous said...

3:23 - consider the results w/o the change

Anonymous said...

Every single league has its pros and cons. In each you consider what does your kid (not you) want out of it and will she get it or close to it. Each family is different. Each child is different. They are not cookie cutter and neither are these leagues. Just pick whatever works for you and your family. Have fun and remember, it's a just a game. You don't want your kid to look back at this short time in her life when she was a kid with distain. And neither should you.

Don't let a blog pick your pathway. Try out for all of the leagues and pick the one that suits your daughter the best.

Good luck with the try-outs.

Anonymous said...

254 top players won't go where they they think they won't develop as quickly as possible. A top player must have training that challenges and doesn't completely frustrate them. They need enrichment just like gifted kids in school. PAC level is too low level right now to attract better kids and or pull them from Harrisburg or away from penn fusion. I am not "pissy" I am not even a PAC "parent". Just making an observation from what I have heard. Am I wrong? Do the best players train with boys? There is no play up at this club for 01s because the 00/99 team has no numbers. They need opportunities to play/train up and or train with boys. PAC must offer these opportunities to attract top players. The politics of the grumbly lower kids' parents be damned.

Anonymous said...

"The "Rec Team" reference was strictly a "tongue in cheek comment..."

Rage Parent,

While I essentially agree with your post, I think "Rectum Guy" has his tongue stuck up in his own ...

And considering how insecure the guys sounds, I've gotta think the other parents on his daughter's superior team all start liking their chances a little less when she's the last player subbed on. She may still get an offer though, as long as the College coaches don't get to know her dad.

Anonymous said...

7:29 brings up an interesting point about the possibility of girls playing up with the boys. I'm not directing this at PAC at all though, but more of a general note for some of the top female players everywhere.
When my son was U13 and U14, we had a girl play up on his team during league games, and although she didn't have the overall speed of the boys, her first touch was incredible and she more than held her own. At first parents were a little upset over her taking time away from other players, but soon everyone kind of accepted that she was indeed a good players. Her U16 year ended abruptly when she suffered a knee injury and was out for a year. But even with the injury, she committed to Pen State as a sophomore and started playing for Penn Fusion shortly there after. Today Shea Moyer is training out in California with 47 other hopeful players, vying for a spot on the National Team. Or at least to be names as a possible alternate.
My question to all of you is whether we should have the very best female players playing up with the boys? It would enhance everything they do, make the tougher physically. The biggest concern of course, would be the injury factor. Thoughts?
Rage Parent

Anonymous said...

7:29 Top Players won't go OR Top player parents won't bring their kids? Two very different things with the same result.

Impressive that parents share how much scholarship money they get. I wouldn't of even shared my kid got a ride if she didn't post it herself. I don't want to come across as bragging so all I say is it's a huge help. There you go, some might know who I am now along with my PC skills and bad grammar/spelling.

Mr. List

Anonymous said...

Good luck today girls!!!

HMMS Rec vs 1776 Rec in State Cup semi final

Cupcakes will be available and all proceeds go toward the Asexual Scouts of America

Anonymous said...

HMMS vs 1776 will not even be a game. 1776 easily over HMMS 6-0. 1776 has no real competition in state cup and will win over PU 3-0.

Anonymous said...

Sadly, I am in agreement with 6:37. The real entertainment will be how the Penn United coach reacts during and after the game. He once challenged a couple of the opposing teams parents in the parking lot after a loss, but this time Big Red will be there. He'd get his ass kicked.

Anonymous said...

I agree with today's game.
Not sure PU will go down that easy and yes the on/off field entertainment will be uuuuge!

Anonymous said...

No knock on HMMS or 1776. But teams like them in the pros are the reason the Champions league format changed.
Yes the Champions league used to be 1 champion from every European Country in home away games. But the reality is
no one wants to see HMMS or1776 or Penn United in a NCS game. They would rather want to see PDA play in an ECNL Shocase game (this is the third tier eventin the ECNL post season). We value brands more than the little guy.

PennFusion, PAC, FC Bucks, Delco, PDA, MatchFit, CedarStars, Albertson, WorldClass will always get negative posts. But the truth is most people know who these clubs are vs HMMS or 1776 or Penn United. Does that mean they are bad teams? No it doesn't, but they will always be treated lkike the little guy.

Mr List

Big Red said...

7:28 Well said.

Anonymous said...

935
the only reason Shea was allowed to play with boys was because of who her dad and uncle were. Not saying that she shouldn't have, but that she was privileged to be able to do so.

One of mine played with boys as a secondary up to and including u14. she still trains with them when possible. The boys parents came up to us numerous times saying that they thought overall it was a great thing to have her influencing the team. That is was a great growth opportunity for their boys as well. She was one of the better ones on the team and the team was one of the better ones around. She played very technical fast soccer and opened up many opportunities for the boys and team. She had no trouble with the speed. Because she was laying it off instead of shooting everyone was happy having her there. Similarly a strong defender would have been well received. A selfish pure goal scorer would have been a problem with the dynamic. Simply, if a girl pulls the level down she should not train with the boys. If she raises the tide, and improves the overall level for all players it tends to be well respected at this time.

Anonymous said...

Big Red, any tailgating today?
If you're there, I'm in!!

Anonymous said...

8:58 You are correct and we knew why Shea was playing with our guys teams, but again as you mentioned, she managed to stay within the dynamics of the team. The fact that she was a midfielder probably helped her, since boys by that age are simply to fast and to strong for a girl to play striker of be a defender.
As far as the HMMS/1776 game, I will give credit to the HMMS coach in advance. Whatever the outcome or the score, he will try to play soccer and have his girls works the ball from inside out. We played them before and the score was very lopsided, but I was impressed that he stayed with his 4-4-2 and really worked on transitioning from line to line. Unfortunately they struggle in the finishing third and 1776 is just to well coached and has can counter with the best of them.
Rage Parent

Anonymous said...

State Cups at this age is nothing but a joke .

Anonymous said...

933 one thing we noticed about boys versus girls is that boys don't care anything about the social dynamic when they are on the field competing. They do however care about the level of their teammates.
Girls care most about the social dynamic on the field and about the level of their teammates not really at all.

Boys pass to any player they think is "worthy" by virtue of his(her) abilities to have the ball. The kid being looked off is because his teammates don't trust him with the ball.

Girls pass to their "friends" the player being looked off is so because she isn't in the clique of the kid with the ball and/or the kid with the ball does not want the kid asking for it to have it and potentially succeed. Girls' dynamics are crazy. Coaches don't address it head on enough.

Big Red said...

7:00am Too easy. Not even a challenge. **yawn**

Anonymous said...

That does not sound like any girls team I have seen. You need to find a different team of competitive girls that want to play soccer. Have seen lots of them.

Anonymous said...

Not as much a joke as worthless.
Chasing points is what teams are doing...

Anonymous said...

More like chasing memories. A state championship is just that. If you can win one with 16 of your best friends even better. You’ve chosen not to participate so your daughter will never experience that. Why begrudge others unless deep down you are afraid you made the wrong choice?

Anonymous said...

11:21 Anson Dorrance said pretty much the same thing.

Anonymous said...

4:40 why do we always make the assumption that non ECNL, non USSDA teams are always best friends? My daughter didn't have best friends on her rec team or her travel team. She had other players she had things in common with or not. Her best friends don't play soccer.

1:21 I agree so many parents at this age are still asking about points. I just look at them and say are you serious?

11:21 like I said my daughter is not part of a "clique", but I will say this game knows the game and if the players think passing a ball to a player will result into a negative play - they will not pass the ball. You can blame them for not trusting the player but you can't blame them for wanting to win. I guess that depends on which side you are on.

10:35 I do agree with 4:40 you can't fault the teams playing looking for memories, just because they are part of a different title. The problem is there is no ONE titile. US CLub could have had one, but the ECNL teams chose not to participate. USYS is just like ECNL a closed event for it's memebrs only.

Like I said it depends on which side of the fence you are on.

Mr List

Anonymous said...

Mr. List. Your response to 11:21 was exactly how I see it to. Our own team plays the left side a lot more than the right, not because any player dislikes the forward on the right, but because player on the left is so dominating and the mismatch is on that side. I can honestly say that some of our girls don't get like each other off the field (or even on it) , but once the game starts, all they care about is who gives them the best chance to make a play. I'm thinking that many teams at U17/18/19 are very similar. I will say this, it does make for some really competitive practices.
Not sure who brought up about chasing points, but what could importance can be placed on points anymore? Teams that are moving up to U18/19 don't keep them anyway, so that kind of silly to say their chasing points.
Rage Parent

Anonymous said...

Only because there were some predictions above, as an FYI, 1776 over HMMS 6-0.

Anonymous said...

Sounds like a boring ,uneventful , non competitive waste of time . But enjoy those points !

Anonymous said...

6-0 you say? Damn I’m good. Still sticking with my 3-0 over PU.

Anonymous said...

There were 25+ GDA games just last weekend decided by 4 or more goals, and dozens more at 3-0. One PDA team won 13-0 & BB 18/19 beat PAC 8-0. Sounds like half the GDA games are a “ boring, non competitive, waste of time” too.

Anonymous said...

RP, that's my point. It's silly to even play these games at this age.
Unless you're just getting some play time in for girls.

Anonymous said...

6:10 That division leading BB U19 DA team is amazing. They have a forward who has 43 goals alone so far this season.

Anonymous said...

Penn Fusion tied the BB 18/19 4-4

Anonymous said...

PF was also down 0-4 at the half which would lead you to think the breakers subbed out some of their better players second half possibly. Regardless, nice comeback to tie it.

Anonymous said...

Sad that PACs U18/19 team will be heading out to the San Diego Showcase with only 13 players. This is not just a PAC issue though, the timing of the showcase runs into early reporting dates for seniors heading to college to join their college teams. This is an issue that the DA will have to work on and maybe just eliminate the U19/18 group from going all together. Does it really make any sense for parents of a committed senior to pay for west coast trip?

Anonymous said...

Hey 10:55 - Honestly, the whole points chasing jab makes no sense. Given YSR rankings, I don't know who even thinks about GotSoccer points anymore. That is an out of date and petty comment. Troll better!

Anonymous said...

800 you raised an interesting point on tactics. So I checked the match report. BBA used 2 subs. They didn't start a kid who scored their 4th goal. The other set at half were playups swapping time. So probably not the right conclusion. Their bigtime scorer played the whole game and scored one. Penn fusion scores a lot of goals themselves with the highest GF in the conference, but they also give up a lot as well. Given those facts probably best to leave it at looks like it was a great game.

Anonymous said...

8:58 that's the whole point you idiot!
Did you fail reading and comprehension class?

Anonymous said...

I am an idiot. Tell us exactly what your point is beyond, "that's not my daughter so they must suck."

Anonymous said...

FYI PF puts their game tapes on you tube. Probably gives them a competitive disadvantage, but whatever. They are steering potential players to the tapes to watch the level.

Here's the 18/19 breakers link should anyone be interested in it to see what might be in store next year if one's child is interested in the DA programs. Other games are also posted if one would like to see lower level games to assess the lowest levels as well. Mine is a 02 thinking of making the move to an ECNL or DA (not in PA).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=go0UItLHseo

Anonymous said...

Any info about Spirit and MD United? yes I know i should filter it. 02 is quiet and think those with more experience might be helpful.

Anonymous said...

Saying stare cups is about the points is just silly. Winning your state cup and being final four in erl guarantees that you get put in a different bracket then the other 3 erl finalists at regional championships. It sets you up better for the opportunity to go to national championships.

Anonymous said...

Stare cup are annoying. I'd rather stare at an ocean scenery.

Anonymous said...

bethesda ECNL?

Anonymous said...

I know it's U16 but is this a 2nd tier or a way to tell US soccer to go away?

https://www.edpsoccer.com/news_article/show/916339?referrer_id=1249986

Anonymous said...

8:00 if you know both teams you would see that pf made some switches at half. Breakers kept on their duke and other high level recruits. Heard ussoccer really enjoyed yhe battle.

Anonymous said...

sure. Pf is one of those teams that has big drop offs from top kids to bottom. In da everybody has percentage play. The good and bad of a restrictive rule.I gurss

Anonymous said...

How do the DA rules work? Does everyone have to play? What does the S% stat mean?

Anonymous said...

8:08 There isn’t even a U19 showcase division for SD! So not too sure where your getting your “13.”

Anonymous said...

S% is how many games you started. In GDA there is a rule that everyone (incl backup goalie) has a minimum 25% guaranteed starts in season and showcases as a full time player. Exception is DP - they have a 6 game max before they are converted to a FT player

Anonymous said...

The EDP spring showcase in Hammonton?

Anonymous said...

1250 how would you hear that US soccer "enjoyed the battle" Sounds suspect

Anonymous said...

Coach I know was there and also knows the scout that attended

Anonymous said...

Heard that in u19 gda playoffs just top 16 go to san diego.

Anonymous said...

347 what scouts attend da games?

Anonymous said...

Do the % starts/play get waived in postseason?

Anonymous said...

3:47 us soccer scouts, us soccer coaches usually and in fl some pro international scouts were there too.

Anonymous said...

The Penn fusion superstar was at national camp so not much to see. wonder why the scout even showed up. Probably to watch the play ups

Anonymous said...

There are kids from both teams on their radar. Could be play ups as well.

Anonymous said...

lol not really...The play up breakers goal scorer probably the the PF kids are average.

Anonymous said...

Yea definitely not there for the average PF play ups. I agree, if any scouts were actually there it was to scout the Breakers, most likely their forward.

Anonymous said...

US soccer comes to every game.

Anonymous said...

Gee 2:01 if one group is U16/17 (01s and 02s) Guess what the two age groups above would be considered? Take your time as the math is very hard to figure out.

Anonymous said...

What lol

Anonymous said...

San Diego will was host playoffs for the U19 age group. There is no U19 showcase division.

Anonymous said...

7:43 that is what someone was explaining re the GDA. US soccer attends the games. I think it depends on the team as I don't they attend all the games of every team. They don't have the staff.
And, US soccer does not attend every game in other leagues. This isn't a jab at any other league and don't take it as that.

Anonymous said...

7:44 not sure what you mean, but that poster was informing the person talking about PAC not having enough players for U18/U19 showcase that there isn't a showcase for any U18/U19 teams. There are playoffs for the top 16 overall, only for U18/U19. The other age groups have other playoff options.

Anonymous said...

Hey where are you pissy pac parent?
We need your input here...

If anyone joined U19 DA hoping for showcases, they were not only fooled, they are losing their mind!

Anonymous said...

I suppose if you’re 18/19 and need to showcase - that is not GDA material? How many showcases for this group - just one?

With NCAA changes, will there be another showcase needed?

Anonymous said...

That isnt fair. Kids moved into this mess. There are juniors that need to be seen. Horrible how this has been handled.

Anonymous said...

517 there are multiple PF kids who have been to camps. I am not surprised that the ussf is frequenting their games. In fact the one there now isn’t as impactful as the others. But who can figure what they are looking for in some of these players. From nwsl to ecnl standouts can’t explain some of the reasoning from the selections.

Anonymous said...

12:18 I agree with you 100% United States Soccer Development Academy for Girls U18/U19 are for elite players that want to improve their game to try and showcase their skills for the National level scouts. These players were recruited as Freshman and probably gave verbals during Freshman/Sophomore years. They have their priority set on the big prize not playing with friends in HS. There are plenty of kids that feel this way and now they have an avenue. So they have been on the radar for some time.

3:02 In your amateur eyes. They are looking for players THEY think can be NT material. Hey it's their job that's on line right.

2:46 I don't think it's a mess at all. I think parents/players don't understand the tiers as it relates to their skill set. There are plenty of clubs/teams to play for to be seen by colleges. Just make sure it's one with players that are serious and won't stop playing leaving others out to sink. This is the age where good teams fall apart. I didn't say strong teams, strong teams have players that are driven. Good teams are in between. Cars/Boys/Girls/Friends/Job/Need to improve Grades/College not for them, many things leap frog playing soccer when you are not driven to play high level. Putting in the work to get better isn't fun anymore have seen this happen to a few teams in the past.

Anonymous said...

I’d actually think GDA travel schedule is much better for kids that:
- are already committed
- want to train hard with like minded peers
- want to be seen by USSF staff
- want to focus on school and exams instead of staying in a crappy hotel for a couple of weekends

NPL and ECNL allow you to showcase in front of colleges more - but I doubt that the high level kids are still looking for that. Having time to focus on AP or other exams is a bonus for GDA kids.

Anonymous said...

354 ummm no their jobs are clearly not on the line. BJ snow failed twice with the 17 and got a promotion.

Anonymous said...

trying to figure out USSF is like picking Powerball numbers correctly. And frankly, I'd rather pick the PB numbers correctly.

Anonymous said...

sure GDA does allow time for studying, but what about teams that hold practices on Fridays with games on Saturday. not film study but actual practice. wonder why kids have dead legs during game time.

Anonymous said...

3:54 what if your kid plays GDA and the coach plays that way anyway? plays kids to be seen by a college instead of playing to win. high level means high level coaching too. it's not just the kids that have to want to get better. they have to be surrounded by a staff that does also.

Anonymous said...

3:54 - you say it's the parents job to know. I don't know my kids capability. I'm not a soccer expert, but I would assume that the coach or committee of coaches are. if they tell me that with some work she can do this or that why wouldn't I believe them.

Anonymous said...

8:09 - There you are Pissy PAC Parent. We missed you.

Anonymous said...

Every time I see that type comment 8:09 I think the poster is slapping the face of the kid being "showcased" (placed in the lineup with a specific college viewing in mind).

Coach has the nerve top play a player "to be seen" - and you have a problem with it? What does this say about your ability to get behind your daughter's entire team, not just her?

Be a bigger person.

Anonymous said...

12:19 this is what's wrong with this world. God forbid someone gives an opinion that is not PC, they get jumped. What did he/she say to slap a player in the face? What that they may not be good enough to play in the United States Soccer Development Academy for the top 1% in the country?

12:19 I do agree with you about being seen. Full-time DA players must start 25% of the games. With the strict sub-rules it makes it hard for everyone so development can happen.

At the end of the day I want what's best for my kid - if it falls in line with the team good if not oh well. Yes I am a tool!

Anonymous said...

ECNL Northeast

3 FC Boston ECNL U17
1 East Meadow SC ECNL U17

0 FSA ECNL U17
1 FC Bucks ECNL U17

2 Match Fit Academy U17
0 World Class ECNL U17

9 FC Stars ECNL U17
0 Albertson Fury ECNL U17


ERL Final 4

0 PDA FUSION
2 PREMIER SC NAVY (STRIKERS)

3 BC UNITED SA 2001 PREMIER
4 1776 UNITED FC XTREME

NorthEast NPL
3 Match Fit Academy 01 NPL
1 World Class FC 01 NPL

0 PDA North 01 NPL
4 PDA South 01 NPL

5 Connecticut FC 01 NPL
0 Continental FC 01 NPL

3 Scorpions SC 01 NPL
0 East Meadow SC 01 NPL

0 FSA FC 01 NPL
2 FC Bucks 01 NPL

4 FC Stars 01 NPL
0 Albertson Fury 01 NPL

Anonymous said...

12;19 - the game isn't about one player. it's about the team. showcasing kids at the sake of the whole team doesn't help the others does it? maybe that is what the clubs should say when they are bringing in kids; hey we dont' play to win. we play to show. if you want to win, go to PDA.
is it June yet?

Anonymous said...

10:14 "is it June yet". That statement rings so true to my ears. Is it just me or does it seem like this U17 year has been the longest season our daughter's have ever played?

Anonymous said...

If you are playing GDA, it has been the longest season. Chiming in on is it June yet, saw a cluster yesterday. big game; loaded team on one side (all their YNT's from their younger teams as well) vs a team not so loaded, but has very good top players that have carried the team for years.

anyway, big game, decides post season and after coach sends out an e-mail saying that they are playing to win; STILL plays the entire roster. noticeable drop off when put on. actually took off all the speed in the back. I kid you not. a big game and let's take off all the speed. mind blowing.

anyway, game ends in a draw. a win would have secured their place. played NOT to win, again.

why do coaches make it about themselves? ask the kids? i'll bet they would all say, play to win not play everybody in a critical game. this isn't high school. it's club and in club there are practice kids that play in games that aren't too tough and then there are kids that you rely on to win and carry the team.

as someone above noted, the kids don't pick the players for the games or practice, but they suffer when the coach plays against them.


Anonymous said...

know what you mean, we have a few as well. practice kids are kids that play well at practice against familiar players but are not big game players.

Anonymous said...

just giving out league letters doesn't automatically improve players or coaches.

Anonymous said...

as this is the time of try-outs, parents and kids need to heed the warnings. are the coaches better trainers than game time coaches? are the players committed to the team or not? do they want to improve or do they just want a shirt? all of this matters as your kid moves into the next age group. if she is an intense player, then should should have like-minded players around her. look for the coach that will do the same. good luck out there. it's a hot mess.

Anonymous said...

After reading all the recent posting, I have to wonder if any age group has been torn apart and rearranged as much as our U17's have? Birth year change, GDA introduced and then having teams leaving the GDA only to return to ECNL. Players playing ECNL and now facing the possibility of losing those spots to incoming DA players. Parents that were hoping they are making the right choice for the daughter and some beating themselves up for possibly not. Correct or incorrect, the decisions made by us all was what we felt was the best fit for our kids and yet I think each of us have found its flaws. As we head into the homestretch guy and girls, lets remember all of us have had to make tough decisions under some of the most disruptive circumstances US Soccer could create. So take a second and pat yourself on the back for surviving a ringer that parents before us did not have to go through.
Rage Parent

Anonymous said...

Sure. Thanks, RP.

Anonymous said...

HS Soccer/Sports is the enemy.
July-August - unofficial training starts or HS summer leagues

September-October - the official season starts practice or games 5 days per week plus a few Saturdays.

November-June start club Season the kids get back 3 days during the week but lose about 8 weekends

That's 12 months of soccer - then you have your multiple sport athletes.
Many say this is better, I don't!

1:02 I agree RP

12:20 To me the most important question is the team stable (like-minded players). A team of can be destroyed if some stop playing and would rather do other things or if enough players think the grass is greener.

11:55 I agree - for example a HS coach is a HS coach GDA club or not.

10:36 how long is their chain in games? 80 minutes so they can work it out? or is it more like 30 to 40 and they get yanked if they make a mistake?

Mr List

Anonymous said...

I think you let players that get flustered in the big games play the entire 80/90 minutes in easier games. Let them work out the bugs and get some confidence. The team wins if all the kids get stronger.

The kids loose, all of them, if the coach takes off the players needed to win the big games. Win the big games as that helps all the players for recruiting. Let the lesser confident or talented play full games or mostly full games that are not as tough.

Either way, it's about the kids not the coaches.

Anonymous said...

this age group got shafted big time in the age group stuff and the new league things. very sad how all of that has played out.

Anonymous said...

An email? Sounds like fake news.

Anonymous said...

How do teams in same conf in gda not play same out of conf teams?
Some strong teams have easier schedules than others in same conference. Kind of has a us soccer stink to it.
They dont have rpi I guess.

Anonymous said...

10:53 all of it sounds like fake news. This blog is notorious for scaring people to new teams and leagues. Many posters have noticed that are not helpful to mo fellow bloggers.

Anonymous said...

Rage Parent when is your club having try-outs? Do you have spots? Any kids leaving?

Anonymous said...

We do have two players leaving, which will bring our numbers down to 14, but our coach did not hold mass tryouts this year and instead opted for individuals to contact him and come to practices, and then see if it works for both sides. We have gained a couple so far, but we still have players attending practices to tryout. As with all teams, our coach always looking for great team players, so check it out anytime.
Having been through this U18/U19 stage before, I know bigger numbers are needed. Committed players find reasons to not to be at events and because all the girls have drivers licensees, even parents show up less to games. As a college coach told me this spring, "passions change when girls become their own person".
Rage Parent

Anonymous said...

t/y. I'm encouraging her to look at other teams. she's committed, but I am not thrilled with her team situation. a lot of politics instead of development. complaining parents getting their kids playing time instead of them earning it. bringing down the level of play. heard good things about your coach. doesn't really get the side issues. hard to find it seems.
shame about the committed kids not helping out the uncommitted kids. how many committed on your team?

Anonymous said...

surprised about some of the teams (non-ecnl) that were accepted into the PDA tourney and no older teams. where are these kids playing? are these kids playing? it is unbelievable what has happened in soccer these past couple of years. I'm part of the is it June yet crew.

Anonymous said...

"I have to wonder if any age group has been torn apart and rearranged as much as our U17's have? Birth year change, GDA introduced and then having teams leaving the GDA only to return to ECNL. Players playing ECNL and now facing the possibility of losing those spots to incoming DA players. Parents that were hoping they are making the right choice for the daughter and some beating themselves up for possibly not."

Yes, it's tough for those of us who can afford to spend $5K+ for our kids to play youth soccer to know if we've made the right choices. We certainly are a challenged bunch.

Wouldn't it be great if we didn't have the wherewithal and weren't forced to face these difficult dilemmas?

In other words...SHUT UP!!!

Anonymous said...

12:21 Sounds like you need to go to bed a little earlier.

Anonymous said...

thought the same thing about the nightbird. maybe his/her team didn't get into PDA or other post season stuff. kind of stupid to be on a U17 blog and not feel for the other U17's in a holding pattern due to no fault of their own; $5,000+ spent or not.
Maybe he/she will loosen up after the coffee kicks in.

Anonymous said...

As you said, $5000 spent is not really the issue, because all of us spend more than that anyway. It's the holding pattern and the constantly changing landscape. I hope Nightbird is okay though, as he did seem a little angry and you know how nothing good happens when drinking alone after 12pm.

Anonymous said...

Great things can happen when drinking after midnight. IIRC, there's a pretty good chance my daughter was one of them.

And as far as the Night Owl goes, I think I get the point. "Torn apart" sounds a little exaggerated when describing a group of rather privileged children.

But I'd agree that the "SHUT UP" part was a bit over the top.

Anonymous said...

https://www.fourfourtwo.com/us/features/us-soccer-girls-development-academy-ecnl-uswnt-challenges

gives some good information. also discusses the sub rules in DA vs other leagues (only a few subs allowed and once subbed out; no going back in) as I think a previous poster was asking.

Anonymous said...

Everyone deserves to vent on here. As Robert Short once wrote, "The growing soul is best watered by the tears of sadness". So maybe 10:22 is correct in saying my reference to the girls being "torn apart" was a little over the top.
Must have been feeling a little to sorry for myself.
Rage Parent

Anonymous said...

Guys, I got one for you. What do you do, if your kid has a 75% offer on the table and she doesn't want to play anymore? Obviously, you support the kid. But man does walking away from 150k over 4 years hurt, anyway on that note it's been real. Enjoy the ride while it lasts and good luck to all.

For the last time.

Mr List.

Anonymous said...

Mr. List
I just had that situation happen with my son. Played soccer since he came out the womb, played DA and all that good stuff. Ended up with an offer paying four thousand a year at a forty thousand a year school. Lead the team in total points as a freshman and had a great college season. Our of nowhere, came to me after it was done and said he did not want to continue college for another three and half years. Not just stop playing soccer, but stop going to college also. Like you, I was inwardly disgruntled, but put on my father face and supported his decision. Of course now he is learning the true facts of life, like car insurance payments, gas, housing cost, and everything else that goes with it. Have to say though, the rotten kid is doing pretty well.
Part of the heartache is that you have watched her work so hard to get to this point, also the amount of effort you and your spouse have put into getting her to this point. Seventy five percent is a great offer too, and you can see the reward at the end of the rainbow just waiting there for her. Good luck Mr. List and I truly feel for ya as I know the punch in the chest such a decision involves. But in the end, it is her decision.
Rage Parent

Anonymous said...

I guess you guys are better parents than me. My daughter got a great offer and, fortunately, didn't struggle too much with her decision to take it. So in the end, she made her own choice.

And my wife and I were intent on her making her own decision...assuming it was the right one.

Don't think I'd have been able to watch her turn it down without turning the entire house into complete misery. But only because I'd have been sure that a 16 year old was making a mistake she could never get back.

Good for you guys though!

Anonymous said...

Sounds like 75% girl just has cold feet

Some tough love and guidance needed here

Anonymous said...

Of course many - maybe even most of us will be sending our kid to a school that costs more than the best offer they got.

Just is what it is

Anonymous said...

8:58 Your response was exactly how I felt when my son informed me of my decision (only he was 19). But then I realized that while his soccer skills were great, his grades through HS were average at best. So in the end, I needed to shoulder some of that blame.
9:30 I think you are right on the money (no pun intended).
RP

Anonymous said...

would she feel better going to a DIII school where she may be able to get some academic money and not have the pressure of continuing to play high level and balance tough classes, too?

This isn't a dig at DIII, I have a kid that did this exact scenario. She realized that she could not balance both successfully and had a wonderful experience at a great academic and soccer school. she turned down DI offers too and I was quite perplexed.

today, she plays soccer, still, coaches and has a great job. It's the life after the 4 years at college that all of this is about.

Anonymous said...

I would suggest to your daughter to take the next soccer season off. Many people don't realize how much they missed the game until it is over!

Anonymous said...

Concorde Fire just announced it was switching over back the ECNL as well. Strange the the bigger clubs are making the move so quickly, and the smaller clubs are holding firm.

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Anonymous said...

Nice job Penn United for making the state cup final a game but 1776 wins in OT 2-1.

Anonymous said...

That was a fun game to watch, as long as you were not a 1776 or Penn United parent. 1776 really seem to dictate play and pace in the first half and looked like they had the win in hand, but Penn United scored with a minute or two left to tie it up. Really physical game and got to give credit to the center ref as he struggled with consistency, but never acknowledge the parents one time (and there were a lot reasons to acknowledge the parents). Congrats to 1776 and by the way, Big Red wasn't even close to the loudest parent there tonight. She was last seen giving the Penn United coach a big hug and a box of chocolates.
Rage Parent

Anonymous said...

Why didn't Rage participate?

Anonymous said...

"This isn't a dig at DIII"

Yes it is. And a sadly ignorant one at that. I guess you think your one DIII child represents the universe of this Division?

A girls has decided she doesn't want to play in school. So the suggestion that playing DIII would miraculously overcome this concern is incredibly ignorant.

And don't kid yourself as the best of the DIII teams would fare quite well competitively against most DI schools (outside of the top 50).

Anonymous said...

Ist easier for large clubs like PDA and Concord Fire to pull out of DA when they still have ECNL status.Teams like Penn Fusion have up that option!

Anonymous said...

11:29 It would have been cool to play in State Cup and see what happened, but 9 tournaments plus EDP league and many of our girls run track, play lacrosse, etc. A chance to insults back and forth at Big Red during a game was missed though.
Rage Parent

Anonymous said...

2:59 am - what is wrong that you are on a girls' soccer blog at 2:59 in the morning on a weekend? obviously more going on than soccer.

I'm the poster that you are calling "sadly ignorant". I was offering some actual experience. btw - she wanted to opt out of soccer, too. but, she found the diii experience delightful.

And, I never said that diii schools would do well competitively against MOST DI schools. I didn't say at all; however, her conference was quite good and would have friendlies against DI schools and beat them (and no it wasn't vs top 25 DI schools, but yes a few top 50).

I found that some of her pressure was coming from her own family. She didn't want to disappoint us so it was easier to possibly stop then disappoint.

I also found that it's a sport. A fun one, but a sport. When my friend's child became very ill and was fighting for her life and I had that going on, it was nothing in the scheme of things. nothing.

Advice is wasted on those that are narrow minded. And that is what makes you sadly ignorant in ways beyond soccer. Cheers!

Anonymous said...

Aren't the Concorde Fire folks part of the Board of Directors in ECNL, too? Top hat and Solar are too, but they are having great success in GDA so probably aren't even considering.

Anonymous said...

3:03 It seems great success means very little when it comes to the decision to stay in the GDA or not. Great success usually means great profits.

Big Red said...

11:21 That's funny, but hugs are rarely given & I never share my chocolate.

Anonymous said...

Sure it's about the profits, but teams like TopHat and Solar aren't having their top players opt out for high school. they have enough players for very good ECNL teams as well.

Anonymous said...

You named two clubs and your right on both counts, but how many more are there like that, compared to the ones that are struggling? Lets not forget that Crossfire Soccer (Seattle), the Slammers out of Southern Cal and Eclipse Soccer (Chicago) are also considering and are very close to the same move. The Slammers lost to Rage out in Las Vegas, so if their ECNL team is losing to a lower level EDP teams like that, then you know their looking for a change. Scores mean nothing to college coaches, but to club officials, being at the top draws parents and players and increases the profit margin.

Anonymous said...

Do you really think any of those clubs care about their ECNL programs and how they do; knowing they have top programs doing well? They can use ECNL as their feeder teams and probably will or are doing so already. GDA continues to become more and more desirable as it becomes less and less readily available.

This could be exactly what USSF wanted afterall.

Anonymous said...

7:43 The must care about their ECNL programs or else the three major clubs mentioned wouldn't be considering leaving the GDA. In what reality are you seeing the GDA becoming more desirable? You do realize teams are LEAVING the GDA? Your statement is a total contradiction in terms. Again you fail to acknowledge its about money and profit margin. PDA, FC Stars, Concorde Fire, Michigan Bayhawks, Virginia Development Academy already gone. Add those three previously mentioned in the last post and soon the GDA is nearing 20% in teams lost.
If you want to make the argument that now only players truly committed to the the DA's mission statement of trying to make the National Team, will be playing DA, that's viable. But the counter argument is that many of the best players have retuned to the ECNL.

Anonymous said...

"Slammers lost to Rage out in Las Vegas, so if their ECNL team is losing to a lower level EDP teams like that"

Really? Rage, lower level?

Anonymous said...

READING RAGE SC MORGAN vs teams from the US Club league and top USYS league.
2 Ls out of 12 games played doesn't spell low level

vs ECNL
3 - 2 BRADDOCK ROAD YOUTH CLUB ELITE ACADEMY ECNL
1 - 0 SLAMMERS FC ECNL
1 - 1 ARSENAL FC ECNL
1 - 4 SAN DIEGO SURF SC ECNL
0 - 5 OC SURF WEST COAST FC ECNL

vs National League
3 - 2 CSA IMPACT SC UNITED NIKE MRL BLACK
2 - 0 CSA IMPACT SC UNITED NIKE MRL BLACK
2 - 0 WILMINGTON HAMMERHEADS FC LADIES WHITE
2 - 1 CHARLOTTE SA NORTH CABARRUS PREDATOR
2 - 2 CHARLOTTE SA NORTH CABARRUS PREDATOR
1 - 1 NJ STALLIONS ACADEMY FREEDOM NPL
1 - 1 ARLINGTON SA RED

Anonymous said...

Lower level comment was more geared towards EDP league itself versus other leagues. ECNL and NPL teams by in large draw the better talent and EDP teams get the leftovers or players that do not want to put in the drive time.

Anonymous said...

Our team uses EDP games to get more time to players that normally wouldn't.

Anonymous said...

10:21 at this age wouldn't it be better to use showcase events for more time than league games that mean nothing? Who benefits from the EDP games?

Anonymous said...

10:21 If your an EDP, NPL or ECNL team in a showcase, your coach is trying to play everyone, or at least should be. EDP games are for playing whoever isn't banged up, injured, doesn't have a school commitment, or ID camp scheduled. It's basically a glorified practice.

Anonymous said...

A request for Mr. List:

Can we get a list of all teams in the PDA tournament sorted by YSR score regardless of ECNL status?

Anonymous said...

8:05 - let's put this out there. ALL of this is about money. Not one club is a charitable organization. An alleged not for profit is completely different than a charitable organization. So, money, money, money is the foundation of all of it, including with USSF.

Now going back to where I noted that GDA will become desirable. It's already happening. Kids are leaving organizations opting out to good GDA clubs even to be on their pre-academy.

As far as what is going on, you realize that the same thing happened with ECNL in it's infancy too. And the three mentioned in the prior post were "considering" leaving not leaving. Doubtful they will. The have YNT's in their program. Stars, PDA, only had YNT's when they controlled the wheel which is why they are going back to where they have control. They can pick the fields (their own), they can pick the schedule (USSF does in GDA); they can decide not to compete if the weather isn't ideal (USSF doesn't cancel unless it's a safety issue lightening, tornado warnings, etc.).

Lastly, I completely disagree with your final statement. SOME of the YNT/special kids are in ECNL; MANY are not. And those that still want to train and develop under the watchful eye of USSF will go to the GDA.

Some of those leaving weren't very good anyway. Just like ECNL has some teams that are not very good (actually has a lot), GDA and USYS have weak teams, too. There isn't one league that is top to bottom strong. Has never existed.

I'm not bashing ECNL, my kid played it too. Worked well for her. She received many offers (P-5 included) and did make a decision. BUT, saw and felt the politics from those that are on the Board. Same thing, the competition came from several teams in conference not all. Team finished in top of Champs League.

I speak with people that sing the praises of ECNL and their team has never been to anything other than Showcase post season. Can't say the best are in a certain league unless you know them and compete against and with them.

So, there are top kids in all the leagues, but the YNT's and top that want to be YNT's are mostly in GDA.

If it becomes a league of 40 teams, so what. More for the scouts to watch. I don't care about some of those teams leaving. Many leaving aren't worth the travel for games. Our inter squad friendlies are more competitive.

GDA will become lean and mean in the next year or so. Part of the evolution process.

Anonymous said...

8:07 It's going to become real mean and lean in another year, simply because it won't exist. So you are correct in that there will be a lot of mean parents walking around.
"More scouts to watch". Every college coach I've talked to so far has said the same thing "its almost like the GDA doesn't want us there". You are either a club official or a totally delusional parent that spewing the official DA line. As far as the best players staying with the DA, how can that be when some of the best teams have left and teams like PAC have lost some of their best players as well? I like how you say your not bashing the ECNL and then do so immediately.

Anonymous said...

What PAC team lost their best players? No top players left U17. A few necessary cuts were made. U19s best are staying. Even some of the players that originally were going to leave to play HS are now staying since the were offered waivers.

Anonymous said...

@10:31
Please explain the waiver thing...so girls play HS and then join for the spring DA season?
There's no way they can train with the DA while HS season is in, would be stupid and physically impossible. Injuries galore...
So the roster has to be high enough to field a team and then how many waivered girls show up in the spring to make the roster way too high??

Anonymous said...

10:31 The fact that PAC or the DA would change their rules (something they won't do for the boys side), is a clear signal of the problems they are having retaining players (and clubs for that matter). You can spin it anyway you want, but your post sends a clear message there's an issue, and 6:38 brings up a great point about springtime play. So PAC is going to offer a fall and springtime waiver? So PAC hasn't lost any of its best U19's, yet a couple of PAC's best players run springtime track and couple others play fall sports? So let me ask you 10:31? How does this follow the GDA's mission statement of training and development of "world class players". Sounds a lot more like a watered down ECNL program that lets players play fall sports, but at least the ECNL plays all its best players at the same time.
I understand your daughter plays DA and she is probably a great player, but don't ask us to wear the same rose colored glasses your wearing. The good news is that by the time the GDA folds, your daughter will already be committed.

Anonymous said...

DA allowed any girls who are a Fr-Sr this year to leave their DA team to play any high school sport provided their club signed off on it. Some clubs instituted this policy others didn't. Girls starting HS in 2018 and beyond are not offered this choice.Well at least not yet. The rule will change once USSF realizes the girls arent willing to give up other sports.

Anonymous said...

The DA is not going to fold...ever. If anything, it will weed out mid-level players who are pay to play and want a jersey with that DA patch. Should happen on the boys side too. Way too many DA teams, not many with DA quality.

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