One of the formulas that I have seen that works (and this is for a few of the sports) is #1 Father is either self employed or is at the VP level of a company (Finance is usually good), Ivy school or Top University Graduate where he played a sport#2 Mother is either Stay-at-home, Flexible career or self emplyed in Real Estate, Top School and maybe an athlete herself. #3 Child enrolled in private school (higher Catholic academies , Quaker, or other prestigious “Non-Religious” prep)#4 Helps with club fundraising#5 Helps fund coaches extra-curricular activities (bar Tab, dinners, golf rounds, vacation home usageetc.)#6 The child is as good an athlete as the top 11Result is possibly a spot on the team at the parents Alma Mater, A spot at a local Ivy or mainline school, maybe a D1 top 20 school. Yes there are some exceptions but for the most part the better teams are at the better schools, and both the coach, the AD, and admissions want quality recruits in the lesser sports.
40s saturday and 50s sunday with possible rain but VDA here we come...
12:11 agreed. DA is supposed to be for high level players. What if your team doesn't have high level player even as starters? Is that just the nature of the DA first year beast? People complaining about little playing time are probably not standing next to the high level kids' parents who are complaining that they are even on the field. Seems harsh but true. High level players want to play with high level players. Kids that are slow, can't use both feet, can't make quick decisions, pass to the opponent all the time, take shots no where near the net should sit and learn. As someone said, it's not for college. You can't expect the USSF office to get it right if the clubs don't.
2/12 @ 9:59what do you mean? just because some kids have played up a game or two doesn't mean they aren't already on the younger teams roster. my kid's team does it as well. you can move kids up for a game or two. They may appear on both rosters but are only eligible for 1. no different from any other league.
1:13 first year DA for this age group stinks Sophomores/Juniors way to late in the game unless the player thinks they are NT level or the parents think their kid is NT level. Like you said reality is the top of the roster kids want to play with the top of the roster kids as does the USSF the bottom of the roster kids want a shot to play with the top of the roster kids but it's the coach that determines that. Are some people saying the clubs should turn away players and not give them a shot? By giving them a shot and carrying a roster of 28 they the 10 players > 18 have their opportunity and the club makes money to go down the affordable road for some the more kids play the more kids can play for free. unfortunately some will always pay for others. But that's the name of the game, if you don't like it you don't play it.
Anonymity is great but it also blurs the picture. Full disclosure. My daughter came late to the ECNL and by the time the DA took root we were already back down to High Level Club soccer, in Blog talk, her team plays in the second flight at the tournaments that have ECNL teams but are not the ECNL only showcases (Jeff Cup, PDA, etc.). The thing I have noticed is USSF does not control anything below the NT pools and at most regional camps. So getting in the favor of your coach and DOC are what it takes to get the nod to get to the next step on the ladder. The idea of carrying 28 players on a pay to play model is not to give the bottom roster kids a shot, it’s to split the cost for the top 8-10, and line the club and coaches pockets. The $$ we saved went to good individual training, better non-soccer family vacations, and she will still play in college. Her ECNL team (2018 grads) did not have any high D1 signings and only a handful in the area are going to any D1 schools of note. Of the 2017 grads from the area there was maybe 1 or 2 players that went D1 that saw any significant playing time. An if you scan the NT teams there are no local girls still on the rosters at U20. US soccer has their Darling clubs/DOC/Coaches in the Midwest, South East and Cali. Not too many true looks for the Northeast corridor.
I thought DA was for players that just want to play soccer. There are plenty of players just as good if not better that play multiple sports.
3:45 and that's their choice. DA is for players that want to be identified to play international soccer games and the best of those players will be in the spotlight at showcase events.
not necessarily. my kid's coach played everyone including kids that aren't high level especially ones not committed. used it as a showcase not a DA showcase. stupid. saw that with a couple of local teams. what was the motto i saw on here, new barn same ole paint.
saw some teams only came with kids that were high level. and their non-commits were younger kids playing up that were YNT caliber. you don't go to a duel/fight with a pillow.
Okay folks, I have to admit the last seven or eight post gave many different perspectives from many different parents. 5:37, it's easy for you to say my coach played everyone, as your team doesn't have many committed players? And is there really any drop off when your coach plays everyone. Also, lets remember that a verbal commit means very little and players can change their minds, coaches can resign or be dismissed (seen a lot of that). So there is a reason for committed players to still be out there.
5:37 learning curve for all including the coaches. would not have recommended for 1st year. would recommend for 2nd.
Really? With at least 3 major showcases that’s a whole year of missing out on great opportunities for your kid to be recruited. Despite its imperfections these kids are being seen, not only at the showcases but game and practices.
6:51 Stop with the game and practices crap. Those coaches are coming to see a player they've already seen and talked to and it's at a game. Without sounding like an arrogant ass, our daughter has had D1 coaches at both the our practices and games, but they've called way ahead of time to let us know they would be there and it's the same with other's that have committed. Your acting like there's 20 D1 coaches on the sidelines cheering on our practice and your making the rest of us look silly. We had one of them stop n during a practice simply because she was passing through. Similar to the ECNL, the DA serves it's top level players well. Ask yourself 6:51, how many commits does PAC 01/02's have at this moment? So what the hell are all those D1 coaches at the games and practices thinking and or waiting for? With three to four practices a week, surely they've seen all they need to see.
The only thing you got right is that you do sound like an arrogant ass.
Truth and facts hurts feeling all the time, and always come across as arrogant or insensitive. Especially when it comes to our decisions regarding our daughters'. We want the absolute best as we see it and often forget they should be involved in the decision too. Of course we will say "she wants to play against the best competition", and "she wants a coach that knows how to bring out her full potential". Then we have parents pretending to see coaches everywhere hiding in the trees with binoculars, watching their daughter at practice and thinking all those ID camp invites are just for them. Anything to disparage the truth of the situation, that their daughter would have seen more time on another team and actually been seen by coaches that might actually be looking at them, and not the best players on the team. Obviously I have no issue being called an ass, arrogant, pompous, insensitive prick or anything close to that. Truth is that when the games are going on and I see girls still sitting on the bench and playing 34-40 minutes in a game week after week, I probably feel worse for your daughter than you do. So who's really the selfish prick?
5:50 - have several kids and nieces that play. older niece's coach played everyone. and they had many commits. if they traveled, they played.
8:22 have you thought about the fact that most of these U17 DA players are still in their sophomore year, several are freshman. You sound like a moron. Choosing a college at 15/16 is not a small decision. How do you know who is where in their recruiting process? You don’t! You act like it’s pathetic that these girls not be committed by now. Many have no idea what they want to do yet or where they see themselves location wise. Only knowing that they want to play soccer in college is not all that it’s about. It’s difficult to make such a major decision at this age and certainly not one to rush into just because another club has x amount committed. Good for them. I sure hope none regret their decision six months to a year from now. As far as players who have yet to get interest... they will. It may not be as fast as YOU would want but there is a right time and a right school for all. A better word for you is ignorant, because you ‘know’ nothing.
Exactly! You are so right.
8:22/10:31 Your new name shall be “Glass Half Empty”
8:22/10:31Since you asked the question regarding PAC team recruits...can you share the answer?Trying to be as objective as possible here...how many clubs really explained the philosophy of the DA program to the players this first inaugural year?Do any of you feel like you understand exactly what your daughter chose?I feel like a large majority were just looking for the new top of the pyramid but expectations were off base. As one poster said, if you think recruiters are on sidelines for training, then 1. club has connection with school2. player is in touch with schoolAnd as always, best wishes to all our daughters this weekend, idc which showcase they are playing!!!
7:56 (10:31 here). You have to tread easy on this board because feeling get hurt easy and facts always hurts feeling. Look how angry 11:54 is just by my statement, even though he's a walking contradiction. He will claim one minute that he's bringing his daughter to the DA in order for her to be seen by the "top ranked schools" and play against the best, yet doesn't want to admit that most of the top ranked schools have their players picked by their freshmen/soph years. Most sophomore players heading into this spring will be looking at predominantly mid major D1 if their good enough and hopefully a good majority will find a school that fits their criteria. 11:54 screams "how can these girls possibly know where they want to go as freshmen and sophomore's", and he is right in a way. Unfortunately it's not a fair system and that's why their's such a high transfer rate. My own daughter was a freshmen when she first started getting contacted by D1's through club officials and as 11:54 stated, she had no idea what to say (at first out west seem so alluring). So she'll go undeclared her first year and choose then, but thank God she settled on one in the east. 7:56 is correct when he talks about recruiters on the sidelines for practice and it's a result of someone calling him. Just like a new car salesmen, when a college coach knows he's in competition for certain players and wants to show he's more interested than the next coach. I encourage everyone to go to the DA website and actually read what it is they are trying to achieve, or at least what the DA post as it's "mission statement". Then ask yourself, does this fit my daughter's criteria or is it just me wanting my daughter where in my mind, the top players are? I personally screwed up with my oldest daughter and should have done more research with her before she decided on her college. She made it through, but lots of tears and frustration. Hate to see my mistakes repeated. Really hope all the girls kick ass not only at the VDA and Penn Fusion Tournaments, but all spring long. The Arrogant Ass
11:34 You failed to mention the commit numbers of PAC's U18/19 that consist of sophomore's pulled up, juniors and seniors, is that because that number (1 player) wouldn't fit into your argument? Or is the whole U18/19 team compromised of freshmen also? My suggestion would be to try some sort of breathing technique and see if you can calm yourself down before you post. Maybe you wouldn't result to slanderous remarks so quickly if you would learn to simply and calmly debate with facts. I've been proven wrong on here many times by adults that have more accurate data than I have, nothing wrong with that as I'm constantly learning too.
I'm confused...In addition, some girls were committed before joining the DA..
12:27 that's great. that is what is supposed to happen. kids are supposed to play up to get used to the faster game speed. Colleges want them game ready not still in development.
Duke Rutgers Georgetown Maryland Princeton Columbia that's what you get if you play in NJ
1:01 Sure they were, keep trying. 1:35 If they were that adept at playing at that level, college's would have already asked for verbals. You can't spin it both ways while making the same argument. If that was the case, why do the DA Showcases match up teams with the same amount of wins in their brackets? I guess getting use to the faster game doesn't matter when there's actual colleges coaches watching. However, I was glad to see that at least PAC has a DA Commandment List. Took awhile to find it on the website, but it was there.1. Colleges want them game ready, not still in development2. Colleges are not recruiting them because they are only soph and freshmen.3. Girls have been recruited, but it was Pre DA and so it was never announced.4. 01/02's are mostly sophomores and freshmen, but some players need for development and being college game ready, will not matter as much. So they will be not playing up with the other sophomores who will be playing on the U18/19 team 5. Coaches are pouring in to watch training sessions (because there's nothing like a split squad scrimmage to really pick out your next recruit).6. Speed of play does not matter, because each player will find her place. Please be aware that each parent is expected to alienate every parent and child they come into contact with if they want their child to improve. It is important to understand that your child does not need to be playing on a team she would actually have success on!!! 7. Losing games while not actually playing in the game builds character and at least allows the parent to say "see, if they had played my daughter".8. If you are not receiving calls from colleges coaches, please check line 5
2:58You are all over the place, did you miss your meds yesterday?PAC Commandment List?? Are you a PAC parent or PAC hater, I can't tell....
7:34 I do not hate anyone or any club. My dislike is pointed towards parents that finds their social agenda, more important than their kids social and emotional needs. The reason you see emotional post on here is because sometimes the facts hit home and that is the defense that comes out. My personal favorite line of the day was "their playing girls up because college coaches want them more game ready". We have parents that have taken their daughter's to four different teams in four years, and it always follows the same pattern. At first the club offers more opportunity, the coach is great and understands her. Then BOOM, the club doesn't care about it's better players, the coach doesn't player her where she needs to be played and their gone (again). Always turns out the last good coach she had was the dad at U10, where she was the star every game. Tryouts are coming up in a couple months and I'm already hearing about mass number of players moving again, but why should I be surprised. On another note, I see the crafty German at PF has once again decided not to release his roster for NC Showcase, despite saying he would do so yesterday. At least he is allowing a few Pre Academy players to practice with the DA team, so that way they have few more players on the field.
There will be migration from the DA this spring...And agreed, I also have seen players switching it up year to year.TM does what he wants and will always do so...bc he can!
12:32 your a 100% correct on Tino doing what he wants to do. And I actually put very little blame on Tino, and will simply point to the number of commits PF get every year. The parents are fully aware of what they are jumping into there, and they're constantly willing to put their guppies in with the sharks.I do see Jeff Cup Schedule is out and will give my perfect picks at some point. Funny that a couple brackets strongly resemble CASL.
Jeff Cup is absolutely ridiculous! Do they even know what they’re doing when they assign flights? How can they assign flights according to GotSoccer when half of the teams playing in this ridiculous tournament don’t even get GotSoccer points with the games they play. You need to be a team that goes after GotSoccer points. And with that said, teams can wheel and deal to get put in an undeserving flight ahead of the teams that don’t kiss up to the Jeff Cup gods and deserve to be much higher than originally flighted. Is there any tournaments better than this tournament?
7:27 What teams are the undeserving ones? I agree that Jeff has become less of a draw than other tournaments, but it seems the top flights are normal. ECNL teams dominate the top as they should. Not sure what teams are chasing points as U17 teams though, more like trying to stay in brackets that are relevant and hope some coaches see their players.
11:23 that is my line. my kid plays alot and is high level and not on pac. some clubs dont play up kids and some kids are playing on teams that are above their development. i applaud a club that does what it is supposed to do...develop soccer players. da is about them playing where they will be challenged and developed and relegating those that dont.
That was my point about TM. He can do whatever he wants bc it works and people pay for it.It works!!!
So who do they take? The uncommitted who need the showcase or the top players?
Not much altruism involved. Tryouts are tryouts, I don't know of any club that takes a player to help them out in their quest for a college roster..Do you?PAC will accept whoever asks bc they're hurting for players.PF is a marketing machine and want to keep that going so they will take players already committed and claim they are responsible for this commitment.Jeff Cup does not matter anymore at this age does it?
they should showcase all non commits at their showcase and in nc play to win. as fl showed when you are playing the best teams you showcase your talent. even if you have to bring up kids from pre da or younger teams. it is not the play everybody mentality. that is for jeff cup, casl...non league things.
8:53 pretty much described it perfectly. PAC is not pulling kids up to show off younger players or because their concerned about developing them for college game speed, the simple truth is that they don't have enough quality players at the 00/99 age group. Let's not forget that PAC also offered 3 original PAC players that had been with PAC for over four years, spots on their 01/02 DA team. Then proceeded to rescind that offer and then gave the spots to 3 new players from outside the club. I wonder if 7:55 admires that as well?
of course there are some altruistic spots. especially some older teams. had to fill roster spots with the craziness of adding DA and not allowing hs. some didn't want the 4 day a week practices. didn't the da take credit for the recent signings? as there are many high level players in da, they had committed a while back. da was not even a discussion. ecnl was the responsible league. da now takes credit. so that's the way it goes. last emblem on gets the credit.
Wow, you are kidding right?So they specifically said "you 3 made DA" then they called them and said "just kidding, we're choosing 3 others over you"???I could see "you 3 are DP" and then 3 other girls take away the chance for the DP to get play time...that's happening at our club...Also, word is 99s had quality players but turned down DA to play senior year in HS bc PAC would not do waivers as most other clubs have done this first year.
9:43 so you think all teams at 99/00 have quality players at that age group? most better teams have their best players playing up no matter what age. and that is admirable. kids need to play where they will succeed. why put them in a bad light if they can't handle it. high level players want to play with high level players.
yes there are some soft roster spots on some 99/00 teams. i would call them altruistic.
They were offered to be DP players but misunderstood what that meant. Possibly not expressed clear enough.
Bummer for the DP players for sure!Just looked up the roster... 28!!! How can they even promise DPs anything?9 on older team so I assume many playing up??Sounds like there may not have been clear info regarding USSDA.Best of luck to all the girls, tryouts will be happening within a couple months no doubt
Schedules are out for Jeff Cup.
9:57 I am not kidding. Two of the three players left the team immediately and one stayed with the hope she would be put back on the DA (never happened). The crafty German from PF finally got his NC DA roster out and did the right thing, leaving 5 commits off of it. Not sure what you mean by not expressed clearly enough? Have you ever sat through a PF town hall night. Although you can barely understand what Tino says, there's 27 papers with pictures and arrows pointing out everything (in english). Says right on page 22, (paragraph 3, line 4). It is the coaching staff decision in regards to playing time and who shall play. Questions regarding playing time may be asked 72 hours after DA games or tournaments. Questioning of staff may also result in lessening of existing playing time and eventually demotion to Pre Academy.
Were any uncommitted left off? There should not have been.
12:09I'm a little confused by your posts bc you throw around PAC and PF in same post.PAC roster of 28 plus DPs from what I hear of existing PAC parents.
Who cares! can we discuss something interesting!
Go ahead and start a topic.Don't just be a follower
11:28 what are you talking about? 9 spots playing up?? playing a game or two isn't playing up. it's filling in. playing most games would be considered playing up. that's what better teams do with their top players.
okay 11;21 what about the new USSF pres? any thoughts about real change coming for the girls and women? i think it just got pushed to back burner, again.
12:59 So are we only allowed to talk about one club at a time? If we always ring the bell of excellence for our own club, could we really take ourselves seriously? Or should anyone else. I get killed on here for asking for honest self examination of our own priorities when it comes to our daughters, should we ask no less of the clubs they play for?
Relax,PA cant compare to NJ at this age....
Finally, somebody on here with a real sense of humor.
So true!!! We do love all the NJ/NY trash that comes into PA so your s&#t don't stink. Especially enjoy the illegal immigrant trash truck drivers!
So if we took the top four teams from NJ and PA. Based only on U17 play and interstate wins against each other, how would that look? First we'd have to figure out who the top four teams in each state are and that would be an argument onto itself.
Thank you 9:11 finally some fun - NO USDA Teams - apples to apples.Below are top top 5 Gotsoccer and YouthSoccerranking teams plus the Final 4 at NJ Cup and both NCS events, of the 20 teams give me the top 10 NO order then let's compare. I'll provide the stats. GotSoccerNJ17,220 (8 events) PSA WILDCATS 01 GIRLS16,842 (9 events) PSA WILDCATS FURY-NPL16,577 (9 events) SJEB RUSH 01 GIRLS ACADEMY15,892 (13 events) FC COPA ACADEMY G01 BLACK15,446 (10 events) WATCHUNG HILLS NJ ELITE 2001G FLAMESPA18,303 (11events) READING RAGE '01 MORGAN11,598 (8 events) 1776 UNITED FC XTREME5,454 (6 events) CLASSICS/NOVA U175,414 (9 events) HFC READY 20014,780 (4 events) PENN FUSION SA PREACADEMY 2001 (CRAIGIE)YouthSoccer Rankings37.51 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY ECNL36.91 MATCH FIT ACADEMY FC ECNL36.88 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY SOUTH36.81 SJEB RUSH ACADEMY36.28 NJ ELITE WATCHUNG HILLS FLAMES37.23 COUNCIL ROCK UNITED SA PA FC BUCKS ECNL 36.73 UNITED FC 1776 XTREME36.28 READING RAGE SC MORGAN36.20 CONTINENTAL FC ECNL36.17 LEHIGH VALLEY UNITED BLACKSTATE CUPS (Semi-Finalists)NJ Cup1. PRINCETON SA IGFA 01 NPL2. NJ WILDCATS FURY-NPL3. SJEB RUSH 01 GIRLS ACADEMY3. WATCHUNG HILLS NJ ELITE 2001G FLAMES NJ NCS1. SJEB RUSH 01 GIRLS ACADEMY2. NJ STALLIONS ACADEMY 01 FREEDOM NPL3. NJ WILDCATS FURY-NPL3. STA 2001G NPLPA NCS 1. 1776 UNITED FC XTREME (PAE)2. PA CLASSICS ACADEMY '01 (PAE) (USDA Team tobe excluded)3. LEHIGH VALLEY UNITED LVU 2001 GIRLS BLACK (PAE)4. PENN UNITED FORCE '01 (PAE)
Vs 15 Common opponentsMCLEAN YS ECNL vs7:0 PRINCETON SA WILDCATS6:0 MORRIS UNITED SA STA NPL4:0 CONTINENTAL FC ECNL3;1 CONTINENTAL FC ECNL3:0 FC BUCKS ECNL2:0 UNITED FC 1776 XTREMESOUTH SHORE SELECT AP vs3:0 PRINCETON SA WILDCATS2;1 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY ECNL1:1 UNITED FC 1776 XTREME0:1 SJEB RUSH ACADEMYSUSA FC NPL vs6;2 PENN FUSION SA PREACADEMY CRAIGIE3:0 MORRIS UNITED SA STA NPL2:0 SJEB RUSH ACADEMY2:1 SJEB RUSH ACADEMY4:5 SJEB RUSH ACADEMY2:0 PRINCETON SA WILDCATS1:0 NJ STALLIONS ACADEMY FREEDOM2;2 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY SOUTH0:0 PSA WILDCATS FURY NPLBETHESDA SC ECNL vs3:0 PSA WILDCATS FURY NPL2;1 UNITED FC 1776 XTREME0:2 SJEB RUSH ACADEMY0:1 SJEB RUSH ACADEMYBC UNITED vs3:0 MORRIS UNITED SA STA NPL3;1 NJ STALLIONS ACADEMY FREEDOM 0:2 NJ STALLIONS ACADEMY FREEDOM3;2 UNITED FC 1776 XTREME2:0 UNITED FC 1776 XTREMERICHMOND UNITED SC VA ECNL vs5;3 NJ STALLIONS ACADEMY FREEDOM2;1 FC BUCKS ECNL1:0 MATCH FIT ACADEMY FC ECNL1;2 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY ECNL0:4 FC BUCKS ECNLCONNECTICUT FC ECNL vs2;1 FC BUCKS ECNL1:0 CONTINENTAL FC ECNL2;2 PSA WILDCATS FURY NPL1;1 MATCH FIT ACADEMY FC ECNL0:2 NJ ELITE WATCHUNG HILLS FLAMES0:4 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY ECNLPREMIER SC NAVY vs4:0 MORRIS UNITED SA STA NPL3:0 FC COPA COPA NJ ACADEMY BLACK2:0 PRINCETON SA WILDCATS2:0 PENN UNITED FORCE FC2:0 HARLEYSVILLE FC READY2;0 HARLEYSVILLE FC READY2;0 PENN FUSION SA PREACADEMY CRAIGIE1;1 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY SOUTH1:1 UNITED FC 1776 XTREME2;1 UNITED FC 1776 XTREME0:1 UNITED FC 1776 XTREME3:2 PSA WILDCATS FURY NPL1:0 PSA WILDCATS FURY NPL1:2 PSA WILDCATS FURY NPL0:3 SJEB RUSH ACADEMYWORLD CLASS FC ECNL vs1:0 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY ECNL4;4 CONTINENTAL FC ECNL2;2 SJEB RUSH ACADEMY0:1 FC BUCKS ECNL0:1 MATCH FIT ACADEMY FC ECNLALBERTSON SC ECNL vs5:0 MORRIS UNITED SA STA NPL5;1 CONTINENTAL FC ECNL4;2 UNITED FC 1776 XTREME0:1 UNITED FC 1776 XTREME3;1 PSA WILDCATS FURY NPL4;1 MATCH FIT ACADEMY FC ECNL3;2 MATCH FIT ACADEMY FC ECNL2;2 MATCH FIT ACADEMY FC ECNL1;1 MATCH FIT ACADEMY FC ECNL2;2 SJEB RUSH ACADEMY1;2 FC BUCKS ECNL2;4 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY ECNL2:4 PRINCETON SA WILDCATSSUSA FC ELITE2:0 PRINCETON SA WILDCATS2:0 FC COPA COPA NJ ACADEMY BLACK1:0 FC COPA COPA NJ ACADEMY BLACK1:0 FC COPA COPA NJ ACADEMY BLACK1:0 FC COPA COPA NJ ACADEMY BLACK1:0 SJEB RUSH ACADEMY2:3 LEHIGH VALLEY UNITED BLACK2:3 NJ ELITE WATCHUNG HILLS FLAMESBEACH FC VA RED1;2 MORRIS UNITED SA STA NPL1;2 FC COPA COPA NJ ACADEMY BLACK1;3 LEHIGH VALLEY UNITED BLACK1:3 UNITED FC 1776 XTREME2:3 UNITED FC 1776 XTREMEBRADDOCK ROAD YOUTH CLUB ELITE ACADEMY vs2:0 UNITED FC 1776 XTREME2:0 SJEB RUSH ACADEMY1;1 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY ECNL1;1 PSA WILDCATS FURY NPL0:0 NJ STALLIONS ACADEMY FREEDOM
And last but not least Vs each other - curious to see some analysis of these results. I see good teams very close to each other with the exception of a few. Have FunPLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY ECNL3;1 CONTINENTAL FC ECNL0:0 FC BUCKS ECNL0:2 MATCH FIT ACADEMY FC ECNLCOUNCIL ROCK UNITED SA PA FC BUCKS ECNL3:0 CONTINENTAL FC ECNL2:0 MATCH FIT ACADEMY FC ECNL0:0 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY ECNLMATCH FIT ACADEMY FC ECNL3:0 CONTINENTAL FC ECNL2:0 PRINCETON SA WILDCATS2:0 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY ECNL1:0 MORRIS UNITED SA STA NPL0:2 FC BUCKS ECNLPLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY SOUTH2;1 PENN FUSION SA PREACADEMY CRAIGIESJEB RUSH ACADEMY6;1 HARLEYSVILLE FC READY5:0 NJ STALLIONS ACADEMY FREEDOM0:0 NJ STALLIONS ACADEMY FREEDOM3;2 NJ ELITE WATCHUNG HILLS FLAMES3;2 NJ ELITE WATCHUNG HILLS FLAMES1:0 NJ ELITE WATCHUNG HILLS FLAMES2;1 READING RAGE SC MORGAN1:1 READING RAGE SC MORGAN2:0 PSA WILDCATS FURY NPL2:0 PSA WILDCATS FURY NPL1;2 PSA WILDCATS FURY NPL1:0 FC COPA COPA NJ ACADEMY BLACK0:1 MORRIS UNITED SA STA NPL0:3 UNITED FC 1776 XTREMEUNITED FC 1776 XTREME3:0 SJEB RUSH ACADEMY3:0 PENN UNITED FORCE FC2:0 HARLEYSVILLE FC READY1:0 MORRIS UNITED SA STA NPL0:0 FC COPA COPA NJ ACADEMY BLACKREADING RAGE SC MORGAN4;3 NJ ELITE WATCHUNG HILLS FLAMES3;1 MORRIS UNITED SA STA NPL2;1 PENN FUSION SA PREACADEMY CRAIGIE4;4 HARLEYSVILLE FC READY1:1 NJ STALLIONS ACADEMY FREEDOM1:1 SJEB RUSH ACADEMY1:2 SJEB RUSH ACADEMY1:5 PRINCETON SA WILDCATSNJ ELITE WATCHUNG HILLS FLAMES4:0 MORRIS UNITED SA STA NPL1;1 MORRIS UNITED SA STA NPL4:1 LEHIGH VALLEY UNITED BLACK3:0 FC COPA COPA NJ ACADEMY BLACK2:1 FC COPA COPA NJ ACADEMY BLACK3;4 READING RAGE SC MORGAN2;3 SJEB RUSH ACADEMY2;3 SJEB RUSH ACADEMY0:1 SJEB RUSH ACADEMY2:3 PSA WILDCATS FURY NPL1;3 PRINCETON SA WILDCATSCONTINENTAL FC ECNL2:0 PSA WILDCATS FURY NPL1;3 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY ECNL0:3 FC BUCKS ECNL0:3 MATCH FIT ACADEMY FC ECNLLEHIGH VALLEY UNITED BLACK1:1 MORRIS UNITED SA STA NPL1:4 NJ ELITE WATCHUNG HILLS FLAMESPSA WILDCATS FURY NPL5;2 PRINCETON SA WILDCATS2;3 PRINCETON SA WILDCATS3;1 HARLEYSVILLE FC READY3;1 FC COPA COPA NJ ACADEMY BLACK3;2 FC COPA COPA NJ ACADEMY BLACK3;2 NJ ELITE WATCHUNG HILLS FLAMES0:2 CONTINENTAL FC ECNL0:2 SJEB RUSH ACADEMY0:2 SJEB RUSH ACADEMYPRINCETON SA WILDCATS5;1 READING RAGE SC MORGAN3;1 PDA SOUTH2;1 MORRIS UNITED SA STA NPL2;1 NJ STALLIONS ACADEMY FREEDOM2:5 PSA WILDCTAS FURY NPL3;2 PSA WILDCATS FURY NPL0:2 MATCH FIT ACADEMY FC ECNL0:2 FC COPA COPA NJ ACADEMY BLACKNJ STALLIONS ACADEMY FREEDOM2:1 MORRIS UNITED SA STA NPL1;2 MORRIS UNITED SA STA NPL1:0 HARLEYSVILLE FC READY1;1 READING RAGE SC MORGAN0:0 SJEB RUSH ACADEMY0:5 SJEB RUSH ACADEMY1:2 PRINCETON SA WILDCATSHARLEYSVILLE FC READY2:1 PENN UNITED FORCE FC4:4 READING RAGE SC MORGAN0:1 NJ STALLIONS ACADEMY FREEDOM0:1 FC COPA COPA NJ ACADEMY BLACK0:2 UNITED FC 1776 XTREME1;3 PSA WILDCATS FURY NPL1;6 SJEB RUSH ACADEMYFC COPA COPA NJ ACADEMY BLACK2:0 PRINCETON SA WILDCATS1;0 HARLEYSVILLE FC READY1:1 MORRIS UNITED SA STA NPL1;2 MORRIS UNITED SA STA NPL0:0 UNITED FC 1776 XTREME0:1 SJEB RUSH ACADEMY0:1 PDA SOUTH2:3 PSA WILDCTAS FURY NPL1:3 PSA WILDCTAS FURY NPL1;2 NJ ELITE WATCHUNG HILLS FLAMES0:3 NJ ELITE WATCHUNG HILLS FLAMESPENN FUSION SA PREACADEMY CRAIGIE1;2 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY SOUTH1:2 READING RAGE SC MORGANMORRIS UNITED SA STA NPL1:0 SJEB RUSH ACADEMY2;1 FC COPA COPA NJ ACADEMY BLACK1:1 FC COPA COPA NJ ACADEMY BLACK0:1 UNITED FC 1776 XTREME1;2 PRINCETON SA WILDCATS0:1 MATCH FIT ACADEMY FC ECNL1;1 LEHIGH VALLEY UNITED BLACK1;1 NJ ELITE WATCHUNG HILLS FLAMES2;1 NJ STALLIONS ACADEMY FREEDOM1;2 NJ STALLIONS ACADEMY FREEDOM1;3 READING RAGE SC MORGAN0:4 NJ ELITE WATCHUNG HILLS FLAMESPENN UNITED FORCE FC1:2 HARLEYSVILLE FC READY0:3 UNITED FC 1776 XTREME
Instead of all that, just give me the top three brackets from Bethesda, Disney, CASL DA and ECNL showcases and maybe one other. Who finished on top in those when college coaches were watching, that's how I would rate my best teams. League games like NPL or EDP, even state cup games, are a joke as coaches use them for line changes and warm ups at U17.
12:02 why don't you give us the top 3. So we can see what you really know.
and then top winners from the winners of all the postings play PF and PDA DA teams for all the marbles. seems harsh to exclude DA from all of this.
PA teams1. PF2. 17763. Continental FC4. Rage United NJ Teams Name top 4
0 days until the Penn Fusion Tournament.
Scores are a little ridiculous at this weekend's tournament!
True, have some serious mismatches going on.
Playing is ridiculous. No don't worry it won't snow! Suckers. Penn Fusion money grab for sure.
FC Europa Elite 3-2-14. This is not a showcase by any stretch of the imagination. Chalk this showcase up as a waste of everyone's time. 10-0 seems like good soccer to me. Benefit for anyone?
FCV DA got their revenge. Beat PF DA 3-2.
There was 32 college coaches at our game, should we just chalk that up to a waste of time?
well, that depends on the colleges. not all colleges are worth getting excited about. competition-wise the weekend is a bit off. there are some very good teams and some very bad teams. also, the 4 DA teams may not even be the best 4 teams in the tournament. so it is a little uneven. there are some good D1 colleges there but mostly small D3 schools. Nothing wrong with that -- it just isn't exactly Jeff Cup or the like. overall it is a decent primer for the spring season.
At this point in time, what are the top leagues to be in and in what order? My daughter is in NPL and it’s certainly not what it use to be. It’s seems like a dead league.
That opens up a huge can of works. Your intuition is correct though -- NPL is not uniformly one of the highest leagues. The oversimplified explanation -- Until recently there was USYS and US Club. US Club included ECNL and NPL. ECNL was considered more elite by many and NPL was actually a collection of small leagues. Because of the diversity of the NPL leagues, you often had very good teams and very poor teams in the NPL. Then the Development Academy came along. A fraction of the ECNL clubs moved to ECNL, then recombined age groups and combined with other clubs. The result was that you ended up with a concentration of good players some clubs, but you also had some DA clubs that are little better than some NPL clubs. ECNL, generally has suffered in quality across the board as the result of losing these good players, but there are still some ECNL clubs in tact that are very good. USYS clubs have also been impacted from the DA draw, but mostly have remained intact. So, you'll get an argument about the ranking of clubs, but in general, the DA clubs are the strongest. Many ECNL and USYS clubs are on similar level and many USYS and NPL clubs are on the same level. My advice is to look at youthsoccerrankings.us and search for teams in your are to see how they stack up regionally and nationally. There is not perfect measuring stick but it is a good start.
(can of worms)
Ecnl teams did well at vda tourney vs several age grps - da teams - vda and classics. 00/99 Continental ecnl won vs u18 wash spirit Va 2-0 at pf tourney but lost to u18 fc Va 4-0. Showing some da teams not better than some ecnl.
Overall it was a great spring warmup weekend for everyone. And if your daughter was observed by some coaches, then that's a plus!!
10:17 I agree if your kid played before a coach and played well congrats.The question is were the games balanced or were they controlled by one team?Virginia Development Academy ShowcaseFlight A35.20 Capital United-Blue Force 3-0-0 (+11)34.53 Great Falls Soccer Club Renegades Red 1-1-0 (+0)31.58 Liverpool FCIA Western MD 1-2-0 (-3)31.07 PWSI Courage NPL 0-2-0 (-8)PennFusion Development Academy ShowcaseFlight A36.79 1776 UNITED FC XTREME 3-0-0 (+10) Prediction 3 wins by+7 goals36.37 READING RAGE '01 MORGAN 3-0-0 (+6) Prediction 3 wins by +7 goals35.19 HARFORD FC UNITED THUNDER 1-2-0 (+1) Prediction 1 win by +0 goals34.95 HMMS EAGLE FC 01 UNITED 0-2-1 (-7)34.25 DELAWARE RUSH DE RUSH 0-1-1 (-3)32.29 FC EUROPA ELITE 0-2-0 (-7)Flight B35.12 SJEB RUSH 01 GIRLS NPL 3-0-0 (+10)35.31 PENN FUSION SA PREACADEMY 1-1-1 (+9)35.57 MATCH FIT ACADEMY FC 2001 NPL 1-1-1 (+4)FC EUROPA ELITE 0-3-0 (-23)10:31 I agree depends on the NPL.EDP NPL was never strong (1-3 good teams)NYCSL NPL a step above EDP NPL (2-3 good teams)NorthEast NPL took a huge hit - Since USDA Clubs PDA/FC Stars/WorldClass 'B' team are now their ECNL teams and PennFusion/BostonBreaker B teams are out.New England NPL lost Oakwood only so not really touched by USDA.I think if advancing to a national event is your cup of tea ERL is clearly a better option than any of the NPLs if you don't want to travel then EDP has some solid teams alsoI agree ECNL a step above NPL took a huge hit in the NorthEast with PDA,FC Stars, WorldClass, Albertson using their B teams and PennFusion and Boston Breakers leaving this has opened the door for FC Bucks, MatchFit, CFC Delco to move up the ranks. I also agree YouthSoccer rankings is a pretty good tool (see above predictions pretty much spot on with 1776, Rage and Harford)
Saw this on another of these blogs....anyone else see these results posted. Richmond United U16 ECNL 6 - VDA ‘02s 0Richmond United U16 ECNL 0 - VDA ‘01s 0McLean U15 ECNL 1 - FC Virginia DA ‘03’s 1McLean U15 ECNL 3 - Wash Spirit DA - 1Richmond United U15 ECNL 2 - VDA ‘03s 1Richmond United U15 ECNL 5 - PA Classics U15 DA 0Richmond United U14 ECNL 1 - VDA ‘04s 0Not a good showing this weekend by region 1 development academies against region 1 ECNL teams" February 18, 2018
12:21 New England NPL lost NEFC top team a year ago when they became Breakers and went ECNL and now GDA. As someone noted above some ECNL teams had success with some GDA teams this weekend. These leagues are all over the place anymore. I wonder how it will correct itself, if it will. This has to be a nightmare for recruiting.
1:17 let's rephrase not a good showing by VDA teams. They can't compete with FC Virginia & Spirit in VA. They will lose their academy status at some point. The USDA takes away the status they don't want weak teams in their league to avoid post like yours. Why should we care about 2002, 2003 and 2004 teams when most of us are done in a year or two with the 2001 board. Sorry but I have nothing to add to those age groups.1:34 I didn't mention them because the NEFC NPL team from last year is still in the league. The only loss was Oakwood this year.
obviously you didn't read the post. i posted looking for verification/score board as i found that post on another blog and could not find with tourney info. your post about relegating makes sense, but was not the purpose of the post. btw - VDA U18/19 posted a 1-0 game with PDA (the former ecnl nat'l champions) while that age group Spirit/VA just lost to an ECNL team (continental). i think they need to let the teams hold their emblems for another year before relegating. just my 2 cents.
"Why should we care about 2002, 2003 and 2004 teams when most of us are done in a year or two with the 2001 board. Sorry but I have nothing to add to those age groups."Don't some 2002's and 03's play up with this age group? that may be why you care. those age group kids could be teammates. it caught my curiosity in the league overview. i have younger kids playing as well.
2:53 yes individual players play on 2001 teams2001 Players can't play on 2002, 2003 and 2004 TEAMS2:48 I posted the tables for this age group right before yours. https://tgs.totalglobalsports.com/public/master.aspx?eid=411http://events.gotsport.com/events/default.aspx?EventID=61166
4:01 t/y for the links. they did not appear on the blog prior to your 4:01 posting. at least i can't see it.of course 2001's can't play down on 02's and 03's. didn't think that was the purpose of the post. you must be returning home from a loooong weekend of soccer. relax. it's over.
5:09 has nothing to do with that. Sorry but 2004, 2003 & 2002 team results mean nothing to this age group in regards to the USDA team quality at this age group. Nothing to relax about just a fact.
2/19 1;54 no way they will ever take away any VA team's emblem. USSF just loves VA teams. many staff members of these clubs are connected. just saying.
McLean most connected. Not DA hence one of the major areas to pull YNT kids from ECNL. Same with Bethesda. Until the YNT connections switch clubs VA and MD GDA will continue to be weak. The YNT "threat" doesn't hold where the YNT connections are ecnl. Same in Cleveland.
some of those kids are playing GDA. not sure why their ECNL team is listed instead of GDA (they play on spirit teams). only let's us know another connected kid getting an invite. didn't change anything from ECNL.
hmmm. interesting. well, what was the final call on the 1st time tourneys this weekend at VDA and PF? worth it for next time or save your pennies for Jeff Cup? the build up on this site was hard to miss.
VDA was a joke!
@10;15 & 10;44 - US DA Tech Advisor is a former McLean club coach as late as last ECNL season. no changes from ECNL politics.
So my daughter and I had the pleasure of attending a four hour D1 ID camp yesterday morning, and was pleasantly surprised by the head coach asking her to stay after and spend some extra time with the team and staff for lunch (not free those as regulations didn't permit it). It turned into nearly a five hour visit with scholarship offer in the coaches office at the end. She was caught a little of guard as I was, but what intrigued me was that the coach also told my daughter that she should visit the other schools first. One that are on her short list and be 100% positive this is the school she wants to be at before she says yes. I checked on the schools women's soccer freshmen retention rate, and for the last two years, this school is over 90%. While talking in his office, I notice notes to his Asst Coaches that where on his white board behind us. One of them read:1.Speed2.Passion for the game3.Work history in High School3.Ability on the field4.Soccer IQ5.Treatment of teammates and coaches?6. Equals players we want.He answered some questions practice, views regarding tournaments, and dealing with the cultural diversity of students. Two that were interesting were:He does not believe in practices longer than 90 minutes, two hour an absolute max. Players that play a full game or heavy minutes should never have the same practice as a player that didn't play or played limited minutes. He felt it's one of the serious problems with youth soccer today. Starters need a recovery type practice, not more running and scrimmaging. More players lose passion for the game in their Junior HS year than at anytime. Having the freedom of driving to social events and possible boyfriends often causes loss of focus of what they once only wanted to do (play soccer). Was like to hear your thoughts and possible similar experiences.
Is your daughter a junior? Had she been seen by the coach before at tournaments?
Would have to had seen play somewhere before. Any coach that offers a scholarship solely based on a few hours at an ID camp has to be nuts or desperate.
2:23 can you explain why it was a joke?Too easy to just spew comments...
12:30 why? If this was the main clinic, the one with the recruits and she did well why not? It does seem a little odd though, I would think they like to see a player play multiple times before an offer.PS. Congrats - it's obviously a school she likes since you went to the clinic.Must be nice to have someone want your kid enough to offer money. Not sure of your details but let's say a $50k a year school offers 50% that's $100k your kid is getting for playing soccer for 4 years. Question for you guys can "need money" be added to this from the school let's say another $20k per year? Followed by some Academic money to equal a free ride?
10:50 He had seen her play a number of times last year. At Bethesda, Las Vegas and finally at Casl. We had received a camp invite through our club coach this winter and stated that that if my daughter had any questions, she should call. It was a very small ID camp of 20-25 players and had girls attending from a wide range of states , including west coast DA players. I always have seen my daughter as a very fast player with good skills, but there were some girls there that were insanely fast. It's a good thing a passed ball travels faster than a player running.
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Thank you 7:55 and since she is just a sophomore and really liked the school, she was kind of overwhelmed by the offer. But the head coach was great and told her to take time to look at other schools that have reached out, and to be absolutely sure of where she wants to go. That the school she chooses and major selected are more important than soccer being played. He would hold the offer and watch a couple of her league games in the process.
Congrats!! Nice to read good stories
Congrats to you and daughter. My kid committed as soph too. Same speech,make sure you want to be there and check out other prospects. She appreciated the latitude as well. Here is my question. Once real money discussed under ncaa rules arent you on a clock so to speak?Also you are not gda i guess as you added the fast da kids from west coast. How many on your team getting same, similar interest?
as a sophmore, the verbal offer at the camp can't be followed by an official offer correct?An older daughter had a verbal at camp as a junior which was followed a couple weeks later on paper...
11:21 You are correct, it was just a verbal. thanks 11:15 for the question about being on a clock regarding money discussed. Not something I'm sure of but would like to know and should absolutely know. Also wanted to mention again although my daughter does not play DA or ECNL, I was extremely impressed with the west coast DA players and a couple of the ECNL midfielders. Their ability to hold and distribute in high traffic areas was pretty impressive, and it was obvious they were use to intense high speed play. As I mentioned earlier, the player from the Seattle DA was not big at all, but seem to never make a bad pass or turnover the ball. I imagine that some of those players will have many more options than my daughter will.To answer 11:21s last question. Our EDP team has one player that has been committed to a D1 (full ride)since last fall, and another junior in discussion with Pennsylvania D1's. Also have a couple D2 commits, but not sure what monies are involved (none of my business of course).
Awesome!! Nice to see that your daughter doesn't need those special DA or ECNL letters on her team. Kudos to the club. Can you at least share what state club is in?
12:25 It's a PA club and we were in the top bracket at Vegas last year (so kind of a give a way there), where by the way, we got smoked by West Coach Ecnl 5-0 in one game (finished 2-2). But from that early tournament we started getting coaches emails almost right away. As much as I would like to give the club props, it has been more about the coach and his knowledge of how to play the college recruitment game. Let's face it, ECNL and DA usually have better players, better teams and are better funded and do a better job promoting their players. For an EDP to stay relevant and hope to be seen by any coaches, they have to be able get into the upper brackets at major tournaments. The only way to do that is to win or finish in the top three of everything your entered in, regardless of whether its seen as point chasing or not. Because of the points garnered from Vegas, EDP League, NEWSS and other mundane tournaments, we were able to get into Bethesda, Disney and CASL and be in the top three brackets. That is how our players were seen. I know many felt the Penn Fusion Tournament was a useless tournament that was a waste of time, but not to an EDP team. Hope all the girls have a great spring and get more emails than they can hope to return.
I now know the team :)Kudos.We've played y'all, great team and I probably know which players are getting noticed. Well deserved!
2:28 while you are bashing the letters DA and ECNL, make no mistake about it, the coaches attended that tourney BECAUSE of the teams with the letters as well. those coaches were not attending PA Classics tourney where many EDP teams were participating. it's nice when all the leagues work together to showcase the kids. no need to bash any leagues.
@2:55 Who’s bashing who?
Thanks 2;28 and I must of missed something, because I thought I was was being complimentary of the DA and ECNL brands and how they were ahead of EDP in almost every aspect.
Glad to here the kids from EDP team got a fair shot. My kid is finishing up her last season in NPL and the youth soccer landscape is evolving so fast that I'm glad she is done. We were furtunate to play on a very well trained and talented team, all 18 are committed for next year. Honestly speaking, 11 will play D1 and 7 will play D2 and D3, this is legit. The credit goes to the coach and players. Sadly I see some great showcases like Disney, CASL and Jeff Cup are losing some luster, mainly the result of DA and ECNL restricting tournament play. Until the level of some DA teams improves I think this restriction may actually prevent some players from getting good opportunities. JMO
Even Slick doesn't have 18 commits, be real dude
A U17 NPL team with 01/02's and all 18 committed? 11 of them D1? What state are you from because that has to be the top team in the state? I just want to say hats off to your coach and club officials. His use of your bench must have been outstanding, being able to give 7 extra players time enough to be seen. Sounds like something only a PDA could pull off.
9:18-9:45 To clarify, as I mentioned this is my daughter's last year, it is a U18 team with several U17 mixed in. Here is your list of schools committed for support. Many are listed on Top Drawer so you can verify a good number. Notre Dame,(3) UConn, Rider, Binghamton, Albany, Sacred Heart, George Mason, Siena, Iona. D2-D3 Pace, Franklin Pierce, iThaca, Catholic, Scranton, Susquehanna, Connecticut College. The real point of my previous post was that top showcases are starting to lose some luster due to league restrictions. A player on a very weak GDA team can actually restrict their opportunities by only attending the couple GDA showcases that exist.
Not sure where anyone is bashing DA or ECNL. I saw compliments to the good players.The one poster mentioned that it was great to see players from other teams also getting noticed but it wasn't bashing anyone.Assuming we all have daughters that want to play in college and they do not all take the path of "top 2 tier groups", it is nice to see the results that girls are getting.
5:59 Your last point is about a weak DA team restricting opportunities is really valid point. Adding to that is how the DA brackets those showcases. Being a U18 team, I can see how they could have so many commmits too. I am still old school in the belief that you have to be on the field playing 50 to 60 percent of the game, if your not, then your on the wrong team at this age level. Nothing duplicates game speed and in game pressure.
But is it a good idea to switch teams at this point?Do you have the choice near you?How far will you drive?How old is your daughter?Can she actually make another team?Sad to say, sometimes you're stuck and have to make the best of it....Do your research, find ID clinics and get exposure on your own..
2017-2018 Development Academy Regular SeasonGIRLS U-16/17 PLAYOFFS POOLS (69 teams)Rank4 Penn Fusion Soccer Academy U-16/17 +34 (2.4286)8 FC Fury NY U-16/17 +31 (2.2667)15 New York City FC U-16/17 +21 (2.125)16 Sky Blue - PDA U-16/17 +21 (2.125)20 FC Virginia U-16/17 +16 (1.6875)21 Boston Breakers Academy U-16/17 +1(1.500)\47 Oakwood Soccer Club U-16/17 -3 (1.2667)52 Sky Blue - NYSC U-16/17 -17 (0.9231)53 FC Stars U-16/17 -17 (0.8667)54 PA Classics U-16/17 -13 (0.8462)56 Virginia Development Academy U-16/17 -22 (0.7333)60 Cedar Stars Academy - Monmouth U-16/17 -27 (0.625)61 Washington Spirit Academy - Baltimore Armour U-16/17 -32 (0.600)63 Long Island SC U-16/17 -48 (0.4286)67 Empire United U-16/17 -34 ( 0.3077)Top showcases are starting to lose some luster due to league restrictions?How so 18 of the top 20 non USDA teams at Jefferson Cup according to youthsoccerrankingsECNL Top 8 of 10 playing Jefferson1 FC STARS OF MASSACHUSETTS ECNL (MA)  38.862 MCLEAN YS ECNL (VA)  38.823 BETHESDA SC ECNL (MD)  37.324 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY ECNL (NJ)  37.325 COUNCIL ROCK UNITED SA PA FC BUCKS ECNL (PAE)  37.056 RICHMOND UNITED SC VA ECNL (VA)  37.017 XX CONNECTICUT FC ECNL (CT)  36.958 MATCH FIT ACADEMY FC ECNL (NJ)  36.709 XX FC BOSTON SCORPIONS ECNL (MA)  36.5710 FSA FC ECNL (CT)  36.53Non-ECNL Top 101 (NENPL) SOUTH SHORE SELECT AP (MA)  37.382 (NYCNPL) SUSA FC NPL (NYE)  37.223 (ERL) GREATER BINGHAMTON FC BC UNITED (NYW)  37.014 ERL) UNITED FC 1776 XTREME (PAE)  36.715 (ERL) PREMIER SC NAVY (MD)  36.686 (EDP) SJEB RUSH ACADEMY (NJ)  36.637 (NEGNPL) PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY SOUTH (NJ)  36.488 (ERL) FURY SC ATHLETICA (WV)  36.419 (ERL) CENTURY V SOCCER GOLD (PAW)  36.1810 (CCL) VIRGINIA LEGACY SC CCL ELITE (VA)  36.18
I can't tell how much I despise these lists. You can make your point without as much info as the US Tax code.
And not always correct. Clubs with multiple same age teams and other abbreviated names either have multiple listings or results are missing. And It does much time to load.
6 52. - i saw a note saying you dont need da or ecnl to get recruited. May have been said as bashing. Not sure, i didnt post. Most know that anyway, right?
5:59 this is a U17 or U16/17 blog. U18 or U18/17 has another blog. bet most of those parents that swoop in for a read or post on that blog are committed as well. on that note, now that there is another league in the mix which has taken players, how do NPL teams fare in the future? thoughts?
11:08. Hard to say what will happen in NPL as GDA has proven that like all new leagues it is still struggling with finding its true identity. Clearly some teams have shown great promise while others are pretty awful. Logistics and location will always present issues for many players, so it will never be able to grab all better players. ECNL and NPLwill continue to exist, albeit in a modified level of play.
7:51 posted about switching teams at this point, and that is a great, great question. I would say if your daughter is currently a sophomore and not playing more than half the game on her current team, she has to find a team where she'll play. Nothing worse than emailing a coach about coming to see you play at a tournament or league game, they show up and your on the bench for all but 30 minutes. And make no mistake about it, if your daughter contacts the coach, they will show or at the very least an assistant will. Please do not be mollified by you coach playing you major minutes on Sunday games either. Almost every college coach my daughter talked to said they don't attend many Sunday games because they know the better players have played their minutes, or are too beat up to show how good they are. Yes it may be a step down in play overall, but being is nothing more important than being on the field for a coach to see what you do well. Sitting on the blanket on the bench shows nothing.7:51 also mentioned attend ID camps and that works well too. By throwing money away at a couple of these, I now always have my daughter call the head coach to find out the real numbers attending, scrimmage time being played vs drill. This is important because each of us know what our daughter shows better in. One University had two hours of World Cup play and handed out paper trophies to the winners, that was the extent of their ID camp. Should of just asked for a $125.00 donation instead. Also went to the University of Pittsburgh were the coach was fired the night before, no refund offered.
that's awful. who ran the camp? did you still go? was entire staff let go?
We received a Friday 8pm email that the camp was still on for tomorrow (8am start time in Pitt). Which seemed strange since the weather was going to be great anyway. It was not until later that morning that the goal keeper coach informed everyone what had happened and that the head coach had been fired on Friday at 3pm, but informed everyone that he would be staying on. Both asst coaches were released shortly thereafter. May as well took $125 and set it on fire. Not including the hotel, tolls and gas. It's why I recommend calling coaches before paying for camps. Especially since 35 D1's changes positions last year.
terrible. just wondering though. how would calling the coaches avoided this? most likely still would have said to attend. I doubt coach thought was being fired or at least day before money making camp. wonder how you get around something like this. definitely food for thought.
The writing was on the wall regarding the Pittsburgh coach, as 6 wins in three years was catching up to him. Plus he fired his assistants the year before and used them as a scapegoat. The Indiana coach is in a similar situation this year and basically so are a couple closer to home. Long tenured coaches can live through 2 to 4 bad years to rebuild. Coaches that have one winning season in five years are living on a razors edge. Calling them is more about are they using Asst. coaches and the head coach for the camp or players. Naturally you want the coaches watching and grading, not players. As I mentioned earlier, there are certain camps that use a lot of filler to kill time, time that has very little to do with showcasing your daughters skills. You can visit the college and talk to administration anytime, so a camp using an hour and a half of that is simply a coach filling his required quota for the university. I also have my daughter ask about numbers attending. We went to a Liberty camp that was actually really run well, but there was over 85 players there along with 9 goal keepers. This is where you want to make sure about the coach to player ratio. Hope this helps
not questioning that guy getting the boot. he was awful. so I get it. it was a matter of time. I'm saying timing of firing only hours before money making camp and camp continuing, how would you ever know that would happen when it did and no refunds. a just doubt a phone call would have ever helped. a camp with no coach is a true money grab. this is a story i never heard before or even considered.
2018 NPL Finals3 Qualified for Aurora, CO36.09 Sporting Omaha FC (Central States NPL)35.21 FC Virginia (Virginia NPL)33.57 Sockers FC Chicago (NISL NPL)TBDNorthEast NPL:36.43 PDA South (N.J.)35.88 FC Stars of Mass (Mass.)35.12 Match Fit Academy FC (N.J.)35.02 World Class FC (N.Y.)34.47 PDA North (N.J.)34.30 Connecticut FC (Conn.)34.02 FC Bucks (Pa.)33.62 FC Boston (Mass.)33.20 Albertson Fury (N.Y.)32.92 FSA FC (Conn.)32.46 East Meadow SC (N.Y.)31.39 Continental FC (Pa.)NEP - NPL Division37.34 South Shore Select (Mass.)35.37 Oakwood SC (Conn.)35.28 NEFC Elite (Mass.)35.08 Seacoast United (N.H.)34.78 GPS Mass Red (Mass.)34.60 Liverpool FC NPL (Mass.)34.58 Bayside FC Bolts (R.I.)34.57 Yankee United FC (Conn.)32.56 GPS NH NPL(NH.)31.74 Aztec Soccer (Mass.)NYCSL - NPL Division37.17 SUSA FC (N.Y.)35.64 NJ Stallions Academy (N.J.)34.99 STA (N.J.)34.99 New York SC (N.Y.)34.83 Manhattan SC (N.Y.)34.69 Massapequa SC (N.Y.)34.63 NJ Crush FC (N.J.)33.09 Quickstrike FC (N.Y.)30.16 Brentwood Youth SC (N.Y.)EDP - NPL Division35.86 NJ Wildcats Fury (N.J.)35.45 Bethesda SC Storm (Md.)35.20 SJEB Rush NPL (N.J.)35.16 FC Copa Black (N.J.)34.89 SAC Premier Blue (Md.)34.07 Alleycats SC NPL (N.Y.)34.04 Delaware FC (Del.)33.91 Cedar Stars Monmouth (N.J.)32.30 Jersey United Spartans NPL (N.J.)31.90 TSF Academy (N.J.)31.37 NJ Rush NPL (N.J.)31.29 Maryland Rush NPL (Md.)
Qualified for 2018 US Youth Soccer National ChampionshipsFrisco, Texas (8 teams)36.97 BC United 01 (NY-W)Qualified for 2018-19 — 18U Girls (2001s) National League38.16 FCKC Academy Blues Elite (MO)37.15 North Shore United 01 Blue (WI)36.97 BC United 01 (NY-W)2 from Each Division Qualify for U18 National LeagueERL Elite Blue36.66 1776 UNITED FC XTREME 35.94 FC FREDERICK '01 35.74 PRINCETON SA WILDCATS PREMIER ELITE 01 35.64 NJ STALLIONS ACADEMY 01 FREEDOM NPL35.14 PDA FUSION 34.88 SCS UNITED ELITE 34.05 GPS NEW YORK REGIONAL TEAM G01 33.89 EMPIRE UNITED ROCHESTER G16 2001 ERL Elite Red36.97 BC UNITED SA 2001 PREMIER 36.64 PREMIER SC NAVY (STRIKERS) 36.37 FURY ATHLETICA36.14 CENTURY V 01 GOLD 35.89 LEHIGH VALLEY UNITED LVU 2001 GIRLS BLACK35.67 BEADLING SC BEADLING ELITE 35.39 ARLINGTON 2001 GIRLS RED 35.12 HARFORD FC UNITED THUNDER 01/02
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To the VA poster(s) is CESA that strong or did McLean have an off day?Looking at YouthSoccerRankings once Mclean plays their 14th game. The ECNL Mid-Atlantic prediction will almost be 100%. If NCFC/Rapids were flip flopped it would be 100%. For this age it's a great gauge on what to expect going into the spring for all those important league games and showcase match ups teams will have.I know most don't like them because their kid's team isn't playing in any of the leagues, but as a fan I like to follow the results instead of who has committed and who has not.Love that PSA and NJ Stallions will resume their rivalry in ERL, with 1776 and Frederick in their division should be interesting to see who the top 2 are and of course PDA Shore are also playing for National titles. That's 5 of the 6 PDA teams playing for a National Title via a league.I wonder if South Shore has any second thoughts about going to NEP since they would have been a lock for the National League
Strange that 1776 and Rage United haven't played each other in two years. Even though both of them went out to play in Las Vegas last year and have been in the same tournaments last fall, even the Penn Fusion Tourney last week. Rages fault for blowing it during State Cup play last spring, but it would be an interesting contrast in styles to watch. Rage's 4-3-3 versus 1776's 4-5-1.
My bets on Rage for the win .
1776 has a very good coach, and their all about the accept and counter, where as Rage never punts and always works out of the back. It would be fun to watch simply because they are so different. I think if 1776 got a lead, they wouldn't give it up. So who are the two NJ/NY teams that would be the most fun to watch because of different styles?
9:22 2/23 - agreed. will be a good match up. like it when coaches have to coach vs different styles and lines.
So I would still like to know people's thoughts behind NJ/NY's three best teams? DA, ECNL, NPL whatever. Funnest match ups to see? PDA has so many teams, being from PA, I never know one from the other. Are the Stallions better than some of the PDA teams? Princeton, Wildcats? NY teams are a total mystery to me. I understand the point scheme and the criteria behind it. But I just talking match ups?
6:39. That's what makes soccer so special. Adjusting to the styles of play, the field itself, the refs and what they'll allow. There's just so many variables. At least the parents are always the same.
Top 3 in NY/NJ?Wow.....2 are easy.3rd could come from inside OR outside DA/ECNL.Could PDA have 2?Maybe....
Okay. Top 3 outside ECNL/DA? Still talking match ups with contrasting styles.
PSA...PDA....STALLIONS.....you pick the order...
We played the Stallions at either Disney or CASL. Really liked how aggressive they were the whole game and didn't sit back defensively. Made for an exciting game physical game.
Coach is a nice guy at Stallions.
was at a tourney where it was an NJ team playing on field behind us. the coach was outrageous shouting horrible things at his team and the other team. anyone know the team?
Well it wouldn't be the Wildcats, nicest coach I've ever met. Penn United coach definitely most abusive coach on the PA side. Although I have no doubt 1776 mom could knock him on his ass in a parking lot cage match.
I miss big red!!!Penn United coach is often criticized but he's an awesome coach and the girls love him!
Isn't the NJ guy that insults his team and the other team from Stallions their older team?
Penn United Coach is a very good coach, but let me ask you a question. Do you really want your player consistently blaming game issues on the ref, the other coach? the other teams parents? We already have issues in this country with lack of personal accountability. I believe how we act as adults plays upon the youth and their efforts to emulate what they see and believe is the standard set by parents and coaches. I love the standard he sets as a technical coach, but would never let my kid play for someone that has no standards when it comes to treatment of others. By the way, Big Red is still there at 1776 and her daughter are very good players, I think she kind of mellowed at a little and it helps that 1776 has been winning a lot too.
Okay PA guys break down your NCS. I used YSR to list them in order and provided notable results vs each other and Rage (since they are represented on this board). To me it looks like it's 1776 easy. Will do the same for NJ once available even though you guys hate these lists. While the girls are doing there thing to get the schools interested in them - let's have a little fun if you are into this kind of thing if not skip over.36.76 1776 United FC Xtreme 0135.97 Lehigh Valley United 01 Girls Black35.32 North Union United SC 01F Wave35.19 Harleysville FC Ready 0135.01 Penn United Force FC '0134.70 HMMS '01 United34.50 Penn Legacy 01 Black34.00 PA Classics Elite 0133.80 YMS Banshees '0133.61 LDC United Attack 0133.18 FC Revolution Force32.78 Athletes For The Cross United 0132.15 FC Europa '01 EliteNotable resultsFC Europa lost to Rage 0-1FC Europa lost to Penn United 0-1FC Revolution lost to NUU Wave 4-7FC Revolution lost to PAC Elite 01 1-2FC Revolution lost to LDC Attack 0-2FC Revolution lost to Penn United 0-2LDC Attack 01 lost to NUU Wave 1-7LDC Attack 01 lost to NUU Wave 0-4LDC Attack 01 lost to Penn United 1-5YMS Banshees '01 tied Penn United 1-1YMS Banshees '01 lost to HMMS 0-2YMS Banshees '01 lost to 1776 United 0-2Penn Legacy lost to Lehigh Valley 0-2Penn Legacy beat to Rage 3-2Penn Legacy beat PAC Elite 01 3-2HMMS lost to 1776 United 0-3HMMS lost to Rage 1-5HMMS lost to Rage 0-1HMMS lost to Penn United 0-1Penn United lost to HFC Ready 1-2Penn United lost to 1776 United 0-3HFC Ready lost to Rage 0-3HFC Ready tied Rage 4-4HFC Ready beat NUU Wave 3-0HFC Ready beat Penn United 2-1HFC ready lost to 1776 United 0-2
PS. Only listed applied teams from PA-E website.
Rage poster help me understand your team. I read posts that they one of the top teams in the region but their results are all over the place. Vs PA-E teamsFavorite by 4 goals vs FC Europa won by 1Favorite by 1.5 goals vs Penn Legacy lost by 1Favorite by 1.5 goals vs HMMS won by 4 goalsFavorite by 1.5 goals vs HMMS won by 1 goalFavorite by 1 goal vs HFC Ready won by 3 goalsFavorite by 1 goal vs HFC Ready and tied themVs notable Region 1 teams (from this site)Favorite by 1 goal vs HFC United Thunder won by 1 goalFavorite by 0.5 goals vs NJ Stallions and tied themFavorite by 2 goals vs FC Bucks NPL and won by 2Favorite by 2 goals vs FC Bucks NPL and won by 2Push vs NJ Elite and won by 1 goalUnderdog vs SJEB by 0.5 goals and lost by 1 goalUnderdog vs SJEB by 0.5 goals and tied themFavorite by 1.5 goals vs PDA Hornets won by 1 goalFavorite by 0.5 goals vs PSA Wildcats lost by 4 goals
1776 mom hasn't mellowed. Word on the street if that she was wrongfully banned by her kids' high school, as a result of a fellow cry baby 1776/high school mom. Apparently, the ACLU is backing her in a pending law suit against the district for violating her civil rights. Go Big Red! Btw, crazy that 1776 only plays with 3 in the back, and still is able to get those shutout scores. Coach of the year too.
4:43 Interesting coach of the year for beating the teams they should and going 1-3 in harder games.UNITED FC 1776 XTREME [36.75]Favorite (+0.51)35.89 BEACH FC VA RED 3 - 235.89 BEACH FC VA RED 3 - 1 35.77 SLAMMERS FC CDA ELITE 1 - 1 35.64 TENNESSEE SC TN SHOWCASE 5 - 0 35.21 HARFORD FC UNITED THUNDER 4 - 035.21 HARFORD FC UNITED THUNDER 0 - 0 35.16 SANTA CLARA SPORTING GREEN 4 - 035.08 MORRIS UNITED SA STA NPL 1 - 0 34.69 HMMS EAGLE FC UNITED 3 - 034.61 BRAMS UNITED GIRLS SC A BANDITS 1 - 0 34.07 DELAWARE RUSH 3 - 033.11 ELITE GIRLS ACADEMY MAROON 5 - 0 Push (+0.5 yo -0.5)36.72 PREMIER SC NAVY 1 - 2 Underdog (-0.51)37.69 FLORIDA ELITE SA FC BLUE PREDATORS 0 - 4 37.56 NATIONALS UNION BLACK 2 - 2 37.35 REBELS SC ELITE 1 - 0
correction 1-2-1 with 8 GA in 4 gamesand 12-0-2 vs teams they should beat with 4 GA in 14 games.
Lol. Being a good coach isn't just about winning games.
of course not. but you should be winning the games you should be winning. doesn't take an award to know that.
2:58 I am a Rage parent and actually like the question that you asked and its a really fair question. I think it not only looks like we're all over the place score wise, but in truth we are (we once score five goals in a game and won 3-2). Mainly it is due to our style of play. I mentioned on here before Rage almost never punts or sends it deep on a goal kick. We use the keeper more than most as far as going back to open a defense, and with that we also open up ourselves to possible mistakes (gave up a goal with 20 seconds left last week at PF tourney) and an untimely goal or two. But our coach is steadfast in playing a European style soccer and mistakes or not, that's how it's going to be. In the last two games we played, the teams we played would not even press the ball 10 yards from the 18, this despite them being down 2-0, simply because they did not want to open the field and keep the game close. But I can also tell you we have ended up tied at least 5 times and lost overall tournament wins because of those ties. Not sure who said it first "but I have seen the enemy and it is us". That would describe us perfectly at times. On the plus side, our style of play garners a lot of attention and the girls are learning to trust in each other more and more. They have lost one game in the last 38, which speaks somewhat of the competition, but also of how resilient they can be. They are in the top flight at Vegas for the second year in a row, and always seem to be in the top three of every tournament. They will no doubt still have a mistake here or there and give up a bad goal (or two) or have teams set back and refuse to attack and keep the scores low. The biggest thing is they are getting exposure and it's working well. At this stage, the only numbers that really mater are those coaches standing on the sideline. Good luck to all as league play starts or has started, hope the girls stay healthy and coaches love what they see.
Stats aside, that guy managed to keep his little township team together since U8, with a consistent level of development & success over the years. Even with the birth year switch, kept his team of '01s, '02s & even an '03 together. As far as I can tell, none of those players have jumped ship to go to other clubs. He also seems to be able to move his players all over the place. We've played them a few times & even without picking up any players after the birth year switch, there doesn't seem to be any real drop off in talent on his bench. He's doing something right.
Rage parent one last time. Our offense can screw up just as easy. How my daughter can miss the entire goal on a wide open shot from the six (over the top of the goal) is still a mystery. My silent criticism is always accurate though.
NOT a rage parent and I will give you kudos, great team for sure!Same with 1776, great team that has remained constant.
I think what has helped teams like Rage, 1776, probably some NJ and NY teams as well, ones that didn't lose players to the DA or ECNL. There is something to be said for having the continuity of players being together for two straight years, even if they do not have the talent of an upper echelon team. I think we will also see the DA teams like PAC close the gap with other DA teams this year for the same reason, as long as they don't suffer mass defections.
No association with "upper echelon" as you say means those teams had to work hard, get the results to be able to place well and participate in the "right" showcases. And they have done this, great chemistry...Some "upper echelon" teams, as you say, have been even or poorer bc the "supposed top" label has not made them a different club at all...the same staff and administration is there, what's different? Regarding PAC, I think/know there will be defections so the chemistry you refer to may not be there and I don't see the gap closing, as you say...And yes, I'm a PAC parent....
Nice breakdown rage parent. My daughter is on da team, a good one. They dont punt much either. Most top college programs dont.
"To the VA poster(s) is CESA that strong or did McLean have an off day?"CESA is a very good (but more than a little dirty) team as indicated by their 12-1-1 record in their ECNL conference play. But I'm not sure what the basis of your question is. McLean tied them 1-1 and then killed them 6-0. Once McLean plays their last game, they'll be on top of the conference.
9:10 We most likely do not have the consistent level player you team is carrying, but watching the girls gain more trust with their instincts and feetis rewarding. That being said, there are times we all wish they would just send the ball up field to somewhere safe (but they won't). It's hard to over ride that parental wish to win no matter what. Especially in a one goal game.Our coach told us just what you said in your post, colleges coaches don't want to see the 50 yard punt and three girls misjudge the ball coming down. PAC Parent? I can imagine you'll have some defections, but do you really think the higher level players will leave? I was thinking you might actually gain a few to add to what you already have. In regards to my "upper echelon" statement, you make a good point. It's why for many coach and system played is more important than the club they play for. On the other hand, I do not know any of PDA's coaches, but their success rate is pretty amazing.
Any PAC defections and cuts will only be a positive thing for that team. As long as new additions truly want the DA commitment and are willing to work, you will see improvement.
Probably true. I think in general with some exceptions of course there's more commitment from the 02s than from the 01s.The defections may happen but that's coming from the players themselves, who knows what daddy will allow:)
NL is the top leauge now,just the facts, most balanced by far...
12:04 Also probably true, but I'm not sure if balanced equals best teams. Loved 11:39's last sentence "who knows what daddy will allow". Six words that absolutely have no place in the U17/U18 world of soccer, unless it's due to financial hardship. One of the accomplishments of the DA, is the dose of reality it has dealt to some of the parents.
but those words do unfortunately have involvement. The aftermath...a player who doesn’t care to be there and it shows. That’s why DA defections after this first year will not hurt only help.
Exactly 12:50That's why I made the comment.Many are not there bc they want to be but due to parental pressure.
Then you would hope the coach is aware and knows where that players' commitment is no?Perhpas coaches have an idea of who they want to relace
The 01s and 02s split again next year so things could get interesting for these current 01/02 DA teams.
@ 1:05 most would agree the PAC coach knows what’s up after releasing the showcase roster for Greensboro.
So let me ask this. There are players on that PAC team that have been on three or four different teams in three years. No parent wants to think they have moved a step backwards, so where's that next step going to be??
Depends I would think . What’s the ultimate goal of the player?I doubt a starting player on a DA team would go anywhere first of all so I assume you are referring to a non starter. If you are sitting the bench on PAC DA maybe CFC ECNL is a better option. If that’s unrealistic travel I’d say a team like Rage. Many parents do not want to travel so it is tough. Between work, other kids, finances it’s just not worth it. Everyone has a different situation and have to make that priority list. If your kid doesn’t want to play D1 in college then they’ll be fine playing on the B team or playing for Penn United and going to college showcases with those teams.
Thanks 9:33Yes, Once McLean plays their last game YSR will be almost 100% in predicting the table. That is not bad and still might get it 100% by the time the season is over.37.55 Carolina Elite Soccer Academy ECNL U1738.76 McLean YSA ECNL U1736.95 Richmond United ECNL U1735.81 BRYC Elite Academy ECNL U1735.53 Carolina Rapids ECNL U17 35.72 NCFC Youth ECNL U1734.42 NC Fusion ECNL U1734.35 South Carolina United ECNL U17I was a little surprised to see CESA at the top of the table that's it, nothing more. Mclean is a +1.19 favorite head to head so the 6-0 didn't shock me as much as the 1-1 draw. Just curious about their game.
4:54 Your right about the desires of the kid regarding college, just not sure they are having enough input into the decision. As far as financial, Penn United is a good choice in that regard. Good coach that motivates his players and they do travel to some showcase tournaments. Rage plays an ECNL like schedule, by the end of March they will have played at Bethesda, Disney, CASL, Las Vega, Jeff Cup and league play, so no bargain there). There's also HMMS in the area although they may be short of playmakers, they do play a good brand of soccer, with a coach that showcases them well. What will be interesting will be PF this following year. With the 01's moving up, will the 01's or 02's come away stronger in their respective age groups?
11:22 resist the urge to want to interfere. Coaches want to see them figuring it out. Pull up the duke ucla game. Both teams punted a total of 5 times, including 2 ot periods. Duke is a build out of the back team as is ucla, stanford, etc. It isis part of the chess game.
Many younger 00's not comitted according to some da club websites. 01's could be waiting on bench while they get looks. Probably same at others as well.
Best current players are 01s. Bigger/stronger also for the most part.
Will committed players on any of these DA teams choose to not return to DA and instead play High School ball? That’s another thing to consider.
6:01 how weird. my daughter and I were recently watching that game on a rebroadcast possibly. oh may have been right before the nwsl draft. anyway, agree. probably less than 5 total for both teams whole game and it went to pk's. pretty sure very low amount in the finals (Stanford vs. ucla) as well. keep on connecting those passes.
12:04 seriously? no one is playing the my league is better game anymore. NO league is better. they are all a mess and have some very good teams and some very weak ones.
6:01 and 7:12 Those were top teams you were watching and you saw how much they work out of the back. Now think about how parents want to see their U8-U11 teams be winners on the small field, often at the cost of someone kicking it long and a bigger stronger kid running on to it. Until US Soccer figures out how to change that thought process, US teams will continue to flounder. My question to you guys is whether its a parent, coaching or club issue? Our coach is now the DOC for the club, and some of the existing coaches tried every excuse on why they can't play that way. Claiming they won't be competitive enough to compete or they will lose players. One of clubs younger teams played CFC last fall and lost 6-0, but refused to punt. Yes the game was lost and the score was lopsided, but the team was better for it and gained speed of play and foot confidence moving forward, and they improved as the year went on. I applaud any club, coach or parent that sees more than a score when it comes to the younger age groups. I myself was one of the idiots that thought winning was the goal at that age, and thought my daughters athletic ability was what will always rule the day. Thanks God she was blessed enough to have coaches with stronger personalities than mine and not afraid to let me know there are other clubs to play for. Now I'm just the idiot that pays ridiculous sums in hopes of catching a few coaches eyes. So as far as the idiot part, not much has changed.
@2:59, I'm told that has to do with having no U18/19s in Greensboro and the 01s are getting the nod for showcasing...
when is Greensboro? that is a wonderful idea.
NC, technically right outside of Greensboro April 6-1
7:32 several 01 players did not get that nod
That's got to be a tough balancing act for the DA club officials. The urge to play their top players that may be already committed, in order to give them a better opportunity to win games and be a better draw for more players. Or do you sit the committed players and play others that may not be as strong technically or physically and not show as well? But maybe that kind of thinking may also end up as a draw for incoming players. Which is the better reputation t portray as a club?
@7:32Reading prior posts about PAC, perhaps those 01s are the ones who are less committed? Coach knows who wants to be there?@8:29Curious how many U16/17 DA are committed? Espcially at PACRemenber there's no U18/19 division in NC....
I am one of those idiot parents. I currently support my daughter's team at U17 the same way I supported her team at U8 she was always happier after a win, so yes I want them to win. If that make me an idiot or a person who doesn't understand development okay, I can l live with that. Her current team plays how the GK starts the play. Her team has fast forwards and plays a high intensity type of game so if the GK sees it's on she will punt the ball or she will roll it to one of the backs. The coach never tells her what to do regardless of the score. If that makes them a bad team for punting more times than not - I guess they stink then even though they are playing and using the skils they practice every week.Since you bring up US teams, I think the problem is more from a coaching perspective (I agree). We have so many U8-U11 teams with coaches that shouldn't be coaching the game and older teams by the way. From a soccer perspective and a US perspective if you can do what you are supposed to do you miss the world cup. Our MNT is not playing in the world cup because of many things of which none is the style of play.
8:29It will take time but the clubs that will draw the most players will be those that place their alumni at the highest levels, whether that be D1 programs or actual NT camps/International play. Hey maybe even NWSL or Euro League. I believe in order to do this the clubs need to be more benevolent; keep smaller rosters, train to a specific model, and win games. Too many clubs do not see the individual players as their customer so they sell everyone else on the actual player being the product. It is a terrible business model.
8:35 Your paying for what you enjoy to watch, which is your daughter play, so no idiot term needed there. I think the comments about to punt or not to punt is more about maintaining possession. If your team and coach feels he has a greater than 50/50 chance of winning those punts, more power to him. Some teams have more athletes or stronger players than others and so maybe it works to their advantage. As for our team, we know that working out of the back results in a possession rate of a lot higher than 50/50. But I can also tell you from watching D1 soccer, every major college has defenders just as fast as the strikers they are facing. To me (and it's just my silly opinion), learning to play fast under pressure in the back and not panicking with the ball, is the greatest strength any player can possess. The ability to touch, possess and pass and move off the pass with a high level of proficiency is what leads to the next level. You mentioned where the real problem begins, and it is with youth coaching and the coaches own lack of knowledge or the parents demand to win or he/she is considered a failure. Most youth soccer coaches today are effort coaches and not technical coaches. They can inspire players to play hard, but are not sure of the next step. It basically comes down to club officials saying this is the way it's going to be and that's it. Personally, I have little concern about how we perform on the world cup stage or Olympic stage. I just enjoy seeing good soccer played on the stage that's in front of me on weekends in all sorts of weather.
10:00 playing out of the back is nice if the other team lets you. When you have fast aggressive players playing out of the back is not so easy regardless of good you are. Also that means the other team has plenty of opportunities on net or down on the defensive side for you to play out of the back so I get wanting to hold onto the ball to do some creating on the attacking side if you can get there (not saying you can't).Playing hard is the "American way" for our NT teams we just need to harness that and use it to our advantage instead of trying to play a game that doesn't fit our culture. Most people on here enjoy Football, MMA, Basketball, Hockey, La Cross and maybe Baseball. We enjoy hard work and aggressive play - so it's okay to look for height and speed (you can't teach that) and then try to mold that into a style that works. For us yeah playing out of the back is nice but how many times do i watch those same D1 college games and the players still play the ball back into pressure or a through ball to nobody. Soccer is a chess game once we figure that out with our athlete population we will be on top it's that simple. I agree with you 100% that clubs need to tell coaches this is how we are going to play you can still inspire them to play hard but they must see the game and think ahead instead of reacting. Just my 2 cents. Will go back to my lists soon, I know you guys love them.
10:56 Totally enjoy your opinion and your lists. But totally disagree with your opinion on players not having the ability to work out of the back. The ball will always travel faster than any person can run. Every player and team has that ability to do so, it's simply a matter of consistent training from an early age. By working out of the back consistently during a game, the defensive team eventually gets caught with a high back line and that's when the ball over the top works great. Or the other team is afraid of being opened up and reduce themselves to playing everyone behind the ball. We keep deluding ourselves into thinking the scores matter at this stage, only the players ability matters. Continually bypassing the midfield from keeper to forwards really doesn't do much for the midfielders that can be so instrumental to every team.
8:29 that is what happened in FL with some DA teams. they played uncommitted kids or those that didn't get much playing time sacrificing outcome in some matches. do these games count toward overall record? if so, I agree tough call.
I agree with everything you are saying. BUT, not all players are equal, let's say a team is playing a meaningful game (what ever that means to you GDA, ECNL, NCS, NL, SYL, NPL or any that I forgot) and they don't have midfielders that match up to the other team, are you suggesting the team should continue playing the ball to the middle when the only result to follow would be chasing the ball to get it back? How does that help the other players develop? Teams play formation/style that they can with the players they have is all I'm saying. That doesn't mean the players can't play out of the back or can't connect passes.
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