One of the formulas that I have seen that works (and this is for a few of the sports) is #1 Father is either self employed or is at the VP level of a company (Finance is usually good), Ivy school or Top University Graduate where he played a sport#2 Mother is either Stay-at-home, Flexible career or self emplyed in Real Estate, Top School and maybe an athlete herself. #3 Child enrolled in private school (higher Catholic academies , Quaker, or other prestigious “Non-Religious” prep)#4 Helps with club fundraising#5 Helps fund coaches extra-curricular activities (bar Tab, dinners, golf rounds, vacation home usageetc.)#6 The child is as good an athlete as the top 11Result is possibly a spot on the team at the parents Alma Mater, A spot at a local Ivy or mainline school, maybe a D1 top 20 school. Yes there are some exceptions but for the most part the better teams are at the better schools, and both the coach, the AD, and admissions want quality recruits in the lesser sports.
40s saturday and 50s sunday with possible rain but VDA here we come...
12:11 agreed. DA is supposed to be for high level players. What if your team doesn't have high level player even as starters? Is that just the nature of the DA first year beast? People complaining about little playing time are probably not standing next to the high level kids' parents who are complaining that they are even on the field. Seems harsh but true. High level players want to play with high level players. Kids that are slow, can't use both feet, can't make quick decisions, pass to the opponent all the time, take shots no where near the net should sit and learn. As someone said, it's not for college. You can't expect the USSF office to get it right if the clubs don't.
2/12 @ 9:59what do you mean? just because some kids have played up a game or two doesn't mean they aren't already on the younger teams roster. my kid's team does it as well. you can move kids up for a game or two. They may appear on both rosters but are only eligible for 1. no different from any other league.
1:13 first year DA for this age group stinks Sophomores/Juniors way to late in the game unless the player thinks they are NT level or the parents think their kid is NT level. Like you said reality is the top of the roster kids want to play with the top of the roster kids as does the USSF the bottom of the roster kids want a shot to play with the top of the roster kids but it's the coach that determines that. Are some people saying the clubs should turn away players and not give them a shot? By giving them a shot and carrying a roster of 28 they the 10 players > 18 have their opportunity and the club makes money to go down the affordable road for some the more kids play the more kids can play for free. unfortunately some will always pay for others. But that's the name of the game, if you don't like it you don't play it.
Anonymity is great but it also blurs the picture. Full disclosure. My daughter came late to the ECNL and by the time the DA took root we were already back down to High Level Club soccer, in Blog talk, her team plays in the second flight at the tournaments that have ECNL teams but are not the ECNL only showcases (Jeff Cup, PDA, etc.). The thing I have noticed is USSF does not control anything below the NT pools and at most regional camps. So getting in the favor of your coach and DOC are what it takes to get the nod to get to the next step on the ladder. The idea of carrying 28 players on a pay to play model is not to give the bottom roster kids a shot, it’s to split the cost for the top 8-10, and line the club and coaches pockets. The $$ we saved went to good individual training, better non-soccer family vacations, and she will still play in college. Her ECNL team (2018 grads) did not have any high D1 signings and only a handful in the area are going to any D1 schools of note. Of the 2017 grads from the area there was maybe 1 or 2 players that went D1 that saw any significant playing time. An if you scan the NT teams there are no local girls still on the rosters at U20. US soccer has their Darling clubs/DOC/Coaches in the Midwest, South East and Cali. Not too many true looks for the Northeast corridor.
I thought DA was for players that just want to play soccer. There are plenty of players just as good if not better that play multiple sports.
3:45 and that's their choice. DA is for players that want to be identified to play international soccer games and the best of those players will be in the spotlight at showcase events.
not necessarily. my kid's coach played everyone including kids that aren't high level especially ones not committed. used it as a showcase not a DA showcase. stupid. saw that with a couple of local teams. what was the motto i saw on here, new barn same ole paint.
saw some teams only came with kids that were high level. and their non-commits were younger kids playing up that were YNT caliber. you don't go to a duel/fight with a pillow.
Okay folks, I have to admit the last seven or eight post gave many different perspectives from many different parents. 5:37, it's easy for you to say my coach played everyone, as your team doesn't have many committed players? And is there really any drop off when your coach plays everyone. Also, lets remember that a verbal commit means very little and players can change their minds, coaches can resign or be dismissed (seen a lot of that). So there is a reason for committed players to still be out there.
5:37 learning curve for all including the coaches. would not have recommended for 1st year. would recommend for 2nd.
Really? With at least 3 major showcases that’s a whole year of missing out on great opportunities for your kid to be recruited. Despite its imperfections these kids are being seen, not only at the showcases but game and practices.
6:51 Stop with the game and practices crap. Those coaches are coming to see a player they've already seen and talked to and it's at a game. Without sounding like an arrogant ass, our daughter has had D1 coaches at both the our practices and games, but they've called way ahead of time to let us know they would be there and it's the same with other's that have committed. Your acting like there's 20 D1 coaches on the sidelines cheering on our practice and your making the rest of us look silly. We had one of them stop n during a practice simply because she was passing through. Similar to the ECNL, the DA serves it's top level players well. Ask yourself 6:51, how many commits does PAC 01/02's have at this moment? So what the hell are all those D1 coaches at the games and practices thinking and or waiting for? With three to four practices a week, surely they've seen all they need to see.
The only thing you got right is that you do sound like an arrogant ass.
Truth and facts hurts feeling all the time, and always come across as arrogant or insensitive. Especially when it comes to our decisions regarding our daughters'. We want the absolute best as we see it and often forget they should be involved in the decision too. Of course we will say "she wants to play against the best competition", and "she wants a coach that knows how to bring out her full potential". Then we have parents pretending to see coaches everywhere hiding in the trees with binoculars, watching their daughter at practice and thinking all those ID camp invites are just for them. Anything to disparage the truth of the situation, that their daughter would have seen more time on another team and actually been seen by coaches that might actually be looking at them, and not the best players on the team. Obviously I have no issue being called an ass, arrogant, pompous, insensitive prick or anything close to that. Truth is that when the games are going on and I see girls still sitting on the bench and playing 34-40 minutes in a game week after week, I probably feel worse for your daughter than you do. So who's really the selfish prick?
5:50 - have several kids and nieces that play. older niece's coach played everyone. and they had many commits. if they traveled, they played.
8:22 have you thought about the fact that most of these U17 DA players are still in their sophomore year, several are freshman. You sound like a moron. Choosing a college at 15/16 is not a small decision. How do you know who is where in their recruiting process? You don’t! You act like it’s pathetic that these girls not be committed by now. Many have no idea what they want to do yet or where they see themselves location wise. Only knowing that they want to play soccer in college is not all that it’s about. It’s difficult to make such a major decision at this age and certainly not one to rush into just because another club has x amount committed. Good for them. I sure hope none regret their decision six months to a year from now. As far as players who have yet to get interest... they will. It may not be as fast as YOU would want but there is a right time and a right school for all. A better word for you is ignorant, because you ‘know’ nothing.
Exactly! You are so right.
8:22/10:31 Your new name shall be “Glass Half Empty”
8:22/10:31Since you asked the question regarding PAC team recruits...can you share the answer?Trying to be as objective as possible here...how many clubs really explained the philosophy of the DA program to the players this first inaugural year?Do any of you feel like you understand exactly what your daughter chose?I feel like a large majority were just looking for the new top of the pyramid but expectations were off base. As one poster said, if you think recruiters are on sidelines for training, then 1. club has connection with school2. player is in touch with schoolAnd as always, best wishes to all our daughters this weekend, idc which showcase they are playing!!!
7:56 (10:31 here). You have to tread easy on this board because feeling get hurt easy and facts always hurts feeling. Look how angry 11:54 is just by my statement, even though he's a walking contradiction. He will claim one minute that he's bringing his daughter to the DA in order for her to be seen by the "top ranked schools" and play against the best, yet doesn't want to admit that most of the top ranked schools have their players picked by their freshmen/soph years. Most sophomore players heading into this spring will be looking at predominantly mid major D1 if their good enough and hopefully a good majority will find a school that fits their criteria. 11:54 screams "how can these girls possibly know where they want to go as freshmen and sophomore's", and he is right in a way. Unfortunately it's not a fair system and that's why their's such a high transfer rate. My own daughter was a freshmen when she first started getting contacted by D1's through club officials and as 11:54 stated, she had no idea what to say (at first out west seem so alluring). So she'll go undeclared her first year and choose then, but thank God she settled on one in the east. 7:56 is correct when he talks about recruiters on the sidelines for practice and it's a result of someone calling him. Just like a new car salesmen, when a college coach knows he's in competition for certain players and wants to show he's more interested than the next coach. I encourage everyone to go to the DA website and actually read what it is they are trying to achieve, or at least what the DA post as it's "mission statement". Then ask yourself, does this fit my daughter's criteria or is it just me wanting my daughter where in my mind, the top players are? I personally screwed up with my oldest daughter and should have done more research with her before she decided on her college. She made it through, but lots of tears and frustration. Hate to see my mistakes repeated. Really hope all the girls kick ass not only at the VDA and Penn Fusion Tournaments, but all spring long. The Arrogant Ass
11:34 You failed to mention the commit numbers of PAC's U18/19 that consist of sophomore's pulled up, juniors and seniors, is that because that number (1 player) wouldn't fit into your argument? Or is the whole U18/19 team compromised of freshmen also? My suggestion would be to try some sort of breathing technique and see if you can calm yourself down before you post. Maybe you wouldn't result to slanderous remarks so quickly if you would learn to simply and calmly debate with facts. I've been proven wrong on here many times by adults that have more accurate data than I have, nothing wrong with that as I'm constantly learning too.
I'm confused...In addition, some girls were committed before joining the DA..
12:27 that's great. that is what is supposed to happen. kids are supposed to play up to get used to the faster game speed. Colleges want them game ready not still in development.
Duke Rutgers Georgetown Maryland Princeton Columbia that's what you get if you play in NJ
1:01 Sure they were, keep trying. 1:35 If they were that adept at playing at that level, college's would have already asked for verbals. You can't spin it both ways while making the same argument. If that was the case, why do the DA Showcases match up teams with the same amount of wins in their brackets? I guess getting use to the faster game doesn't matter when there's actual colleges coaches watching. However, I was glad to see that at least PAC has a DA Commandment List. Took awhile to find it on the website, but it was there.1. Colleges want them game ready, not still in development2. Colleges are not recruiting them because they are only soph and freshmen.3. Girls have been recruited, but it was Pre DA and so it was never announced.4. 01/02's are mostly sophomores and freshmen, but some players need for development and being college game ready, will not matter as much. So they will be not playing up with the other sophomores who will be playing on the U18/19 team 5. Coaches are pouring in to watch training sessions (because there's nothing like a split squad scrimmage to really pick out your next recruit).6. Speed of play does not matter, because each player will find her place. Please be aware that each parent is expected to alienate every parent and child they come into contact with if they want their child to improve. It is important to understand that your child does not need to be playing on a team she would actually have success on!!! 7. Losing games while not actually playing in the game builds character and at least allows the parent to say "see, if they had played my daughter".8. If you are not receiving calls from colleges coaches, please check line 5
2:58You are all over the place, did you miss your meds yesterday?PAC Commandment List?? Are you a PAC parent or PAC hater, I can't tell....
7:34 I do not hate anyone or any club. My dislike is pointed towards parents that finds their social agenda, more important than their kids social and emotional needs. The reason you see emotional post on here is because sometimes the facts hit home and that is the defense that comes out. My personal favorite line of the day was "their playing girls up because college coaches want them more game ready". We have parents that have taken their daughter's to four different teams in four years, and it always follows the same pattern. At first the club offers more opportunity, the coach is great and understands her. Then BOOM, the club doesn't care about it's better players, the coach doesn't player her where she needs to be played and their gone (again). Always turns out the last good coach she had was the dad at U10, where she was the star every game. Tryouts are coming up in a couple months and I'm already hearing about mass number of players moving again, but why should I be surprised. On another note, I see the crafty German at PF has once again decided not to release his roster for NC Showcase, despite saying he would do so yesterday. At least he is allowing a few Pre Academy players to practice with the DA team, so that way they have few more players on the field.
There will be migration from the DA this spring...And agreed, I also have seen players switching it up year to year.TM does what he wants and will always do so...bc he can!
12:32 your a 100% correct on Tino doing what he wants to do. And I actually put very little blame on Tino, and will simply point to the number of commits PF get every year. The parents are fully aware of what they are jumping into there, and they're constantly willing to put their guppies in with the sharks.I do see Jeff Cup Schedule is out and will give my perfect picks at some point. Funny that a couple brackets strongly resemble CASL.
Jeff Cup is absolutely ridiculous! Do they even know what they’re doing when they assign flights? How can they assign flights according to GotSoccer when half of the teams playing in this ridiculous tournament don’t even get GotSoccer points with the games they play. You need to be a team that goes after GotSoccer points. And with that said, teams can wheel and deal to get put in an undeserving flight ahead of the teams that don’t kiss up to the Jeff Cup gods and deserve to be much higher than originally flighted. Is there any tournaments better than this tournament?
7:27 What teams are the undeserving ones? I agree that Jeff has become less of a draw than other tournaments, but it seems the top flights are normal. ECNL teams dominate the top as they should. Not sure what teams are chasing points as U17 teams though, more like trying to stay in brackets that are relevant and hope some coaches see their players.
11:23 that is my line. my kid plays alot and is high level and not on pac. some clubs dont play up kids and some kids are playing on teams that are above their development. i applaud a club that does what it is supposed to do...develop soccer players. da is about them playing where they will be challenged and developed and relegating those that dont.
That was my point about TM. He can do whatever he wants bc it works and people pay for it.It works!!!
So who do they take? The uncommitted who need the showcase or the top players?
Not much altruism involved. Tryouts are tryouts, I don't know of any club that takes a player to help them out in their quest for a college roster..Do you?PAC will accept whoever asks bc they're hurting for players.PF is a marketing machine and want to keep that going so they will take players already committed and claim they are responsible for this commitment.Jeff Cup does not matter anymore at this age does it?
they should showcase all non commits at their showcase and in nc play to win. as fl showed when you are playing the best teams you showcase your talent. even if you have to bring up kids from pre da or younger teams. it is not the play everybody mentality. that is for jeff cup, casl...non league things.
8:53 pretty much described it perfectly. PAC is not pulling kids up to show off younger players or because their concerned about developing them for college game speed, the simple truth is that they don't have enough quality players at the 00/99 age group. Let's not forget that PAC also offered 3 original PAC players that had been with PAC for over four years, spots on their 01/02 DA team. Then proceeded to rescind that offer and then gave the spots to 3 new players from outside the club. I wonder if 7:55 admires that as well?
of course there are some altruistic spots. especially some older teams. had to fill roster spots with the craziness of adding DA and not allowing hs. some didn't want the 4 day a week practices. didn't the da take credit for the recent signings? as there are many high level players in da, they had committed a while back. da was not even a discussion. ecnl was the responsible league. da now takes credit. so that's the way it goes. last emblem on gets the credit.
Wow, you are kidding right?So they specifically said "you 3 made DA" then they called them and said "just kidding, we're choosing 3 others over you"???I could see "you 3 are DP" and then 3 other girls take away the chance for the DP to get play time...that's happening at our club...Also, word is 99s had quality players but turned down DA to play senior year in HS bc PAC would not do waivers as most other clubs have done this first year.
9:43 so you think all teams at 99/00 have quality players at that age group? most better teams have their best players playing up no matter what age. and that is admirable. kids need to play where they will succeed. why put them in a bad light if they can't handle it. high level players want to play with high level players.
yes there are some soft roster spots on some 99/00 teams. i would call them altruistic.
They were offered to be DP players but misunderstood what that meant. Possibly not expressed clear enough.
Bummer for the DP players for sure!Just looked up the roster... 28!!! How can they even promise DPs anything?9 on older team so I assume many playing up??Sounds like there may not have been clear info regarding USSDA.Best of luck to all the girls, tryouts will be happening within a couple months no doubt
Schedules are out for Jeff Cup.
9:57 I am not kidding. Two of the three players left the team immediately and one stayed with the hope she would be put back on the DA (never happened). The crafty German from PF finally got his NC DA roster out and did the right thing, leaving 5 commits off of it. Not sure what you mean by not expressed clearly enough? Have you ever sat through a PF town hall night. Although you can barely understand what Tino says, there's 27 papers with pictures and arrows pointing out everything (in english). Says right on page 22, (paragraph 3, line 4). It is the coaching staff decision in regards to playing time and who shall play. Questions regarding playing time may be asked 72 hours after DA games or tournaments. Questioning of staff may also result in lessening of existing playing time and eventually demotion to Pre Academy.
Were any uncommitted left off? There should not have been.
12:09I'm a little confused by your posts bc you throw around PAC and PF in same post.PAC roster of 28 plus DPs from what I hear of existing PAC parents.
Who cares! can we discuss something interesting!
Go ahead and start a topic.Don't just be a follower
11:28 what are you talking about? 9 spots playing up?? playing a game or two isn't playing up. it's filling in. playing most games would be considered playing up. that's what better teams do with their top players.
okay 11;21 what about the new USSF pres? any thoughts about real change coming for the girls and women? i think it just got pushed to back burner, again.
12:59 So are we only allowed to talk about one club at a time? If we always ring the bell of excellence for our own club, could we really take ourselves seriously? Or should anyone else. I get killed on here for asking for honest self examination of our own priorities when it comes to our daughters, should we ask no less of the clubs they play for?
Relax,PA cant compare to NJ at this age....
Finally, somebody on here with a real sense of humor.
So true!!! We do love all the NJ/NY trash that comes into PA so your s&#t don't stink. Especially enjoy the illegal immigrant trash truck drivers!
So if we took the top four teams from NJ and PA. Based only on U17 play and interstate wins against each other, how would that look? First we'd have to figure out who the top four teams in each state are and that would be an argument onto itself.
Thank you 9:11 finally some fun - NO USDA Teams - apples to apples.Below are top top 5 Gotsoccer and YouthSoccerranking teams plus the Final 4 at NJ Cup and both NCS events, of the 20 teams give me the top 10 NO order then let's compare. I'll provide the stats. GotSoccerNJ17,220 (8 events) PSA WILDCATS 01 GIRLS16,842 (9 events) PSA WILDCATS FURY-NPL16,577 (9 events) SJEB RUSH 01 GIRLS ACADEMY15,892 (13 events) FC COPA ACADEMY G01 BLACK15,446 (10 events) WATCHUNG HILLS NJ ELITE 2001G FLAMESPA18,303 (11events) READING RAGE '01 MORGAN11,598 (8 events) 1776 UNITED FC XTREME5,454 (6 events) CLASSICS/NOVA U175,414 (9 events) HFC READY 20014,780 (4 events) PENN FUSION SA PREACADEMY 2001 (CRAIGIE)YouthSoccer Rankings37.51 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY ECNL36.91 MATCH FIT ACADEMY FC ECNL36.88 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY SOUTH36.81 SJEB RUSH ACADEMY36.28 NJ ELITE WATCHUNG HILLS FLAMES37.23 COUNCIL ROCK UNITED SA PA FC BUCKS ECNL 36.73 UNITED FC 1776 XTREME36.28 READING RAGE SC MORGAN36.20 CONTINENTAL FC ECNL36.17 LEHIGH VALLEY UNITED BLACKSTATE CUPS (Semi-Finalists)NJ Cup1. PRINCETON SA IGFA 01 NPL2. NJ WILDCATS FURY-NPL3. SJEB RUSH 01 GIRLS ACADEMY3. WATCHUNG HILLS NJ ELITE 2001G FLAMES NJ NCS1. SJEB RUSH 01 GIRLS ACADEMY2. NJ STALLIONS ACADEMY 01 FREEDOM NPL3. NJ WILDCATS FURY-NPL3. STA 2001G NPLPA NCS 1. 1776 UNITED FC XTREME (PAE)2. PA CLASSICS ACADEMY '01 (PAE) (USDA Team tobe excluded)3. LEHIGH VALLEY UNITED LVU 2001 GIRLS BLACK (PAE)4. PENN UNITED FORCE '01 (PAE)
Vs 15 Common opponentsMCLEAN YS ECNL vs7:0 PRINCETON SA WILDCATS6:0 MORRIS UNITED SA STA NPL4:0 CONTINENTAL FC ECNL3;1 CONTINENTAL FC ECNL3:0 FC BUCKS ECNL2:0 UNITED FC 1776 XTREMESOUTH SHORE SELECT AP vs3:0 PRINCETON SA WILDCATS2;1 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY ECNL1:1 UNITED FC 1776 XTREME0:1 SJEB RUSH ACADEMYSUSA FC NPL vs6;2 PENN FUSION SA PREACADEMY CRAIGIE3:0 MORRIS UNITED SA STA NPL2:0 SJEB RUSH ACADEMY2:1 SJEB RUSH ACADEMY4:5 SJEB RUSH ACADEMY2:0 PRINCETON SA WILDCATS1:0 NJ STALLIONS ACADEMY FREEDOM2;2 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY SOUTH0:0 PSA WILDCATS FURY NPLBETHESDA SC ECNL vs3:0 PSA WILDCATS FURY NPL2;1 UNITED FC 1776 XTREME0:2 SJEB RUSH ACADEMY0:1 SJEB RUSH ACADEMYBC UNITED vs3:0 MORRIS UNITED SA STA NPL3;1 NJ STALLIONS ACADEMY FREEDOM 0:2 NJ STALLIONS ACADEMY FREEDOM3;2 UNITED FC 1776 XTREME2:0 UNITED FC 1776 XTREMERICHMOND UNITED SC VA ECNL vs5;3 NJ STALLIONS ACADEMY FREEDOM2;1 FC BUCKS ECNL1:0 MATCH FIT ACADEMY FC ECNL1;2 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY ECNL0:4 FC BUCKS ECNLCONNECTICUT FC ECNL vs2;1 FC BUCKS ECNL1:0 CONTINENTAL FC ECNL2;2 PSA WILDCATS FURY NPL1;1 MATCH FIT ACADEMY FC ECNL0:2 NJ ELITE WATCHUNG HILLS FLAMES0:4 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY ECNLPREMIER SC NAVY vs4:0 MORRIS UNITED SA STA NPL3:0 FC COPA COPA NJ ACADEMY BLACK2:0 PRINCETON SA WILDCATS2:0 PENN UNITED FORCE FC2:0 HARLEYSVILLE FC READY2;0 HARLEYSVILLE FC READY2;0 PENN FUSION SA PREACADEMY CRAIGIE1;1 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY SOUTH1:1 UNITED FC 1776 XTREME2;1 UNITED FC 1776 XTREME0:1 UNITED FC 1776 XTREME3:2 PSA WILDCATS FURY NPL1:0 PSA WILDCATS FURY NPL1:2 PSA WILDCATS FURY NPL0:3 SJEB RUSH ACADEMYWORLD CLASS FC ECNL vs1:0 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY ECNL4;4 CONTINENTAL FC ECNL2;2 SJEB RUSH ACADEMY0:1 FC BUCKS ECNL0:1 MATCH FIT ACADEMY FC ECNLALBERTSON SC ECNL vs5:0 MORRIS UNITED SA STA NPL5;1 CONTINENTAL FC ECNL4;2 UNITED FC 1776 XTREME0:1 UNITED FC 1776 XTREME3;1 PSA WILDCATS FURY NPL4;1 MATCH FIT ACADEMY FC ECNL3;2 MATCH FIT ACADEMY FC ECNL2;2 MATCH FIT ACADEMY FC ECNL1;1 MATCH FIT ACADEMY FC ECNL2;2 SJEB RUSH ACADEMY1;2 FC BUCKS ECNL2;4 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY ECNL2:4 PRINCETON SA WILDCATSSUSA FC ELITE2:0 PRINCETON SA WILDCATS2:0 FC COPA COPA NJ ACADEMY BLACK1:0 FC COPA COPA NJ ACADEMY BLACK1:0 FC COPA COPA NJ ACADEMY BLACK1:0 FC COPA COPA NJ ACADEMY BLACK1:0 SJEB RUSH ACADEMY2:3 LEHIGH VALLEY UNITED BLACK2:3 NJ ELITE WATCHUNG HILLS FLAMESBEACH FC VA RED1;2 MORRIS UNITED SA STA NPL1;2 FC COPA COPA NJ ACADEMY BLACK1;3 LEHIGH VALLEY UNITED BLACK1:3 UNITED FC 1776 XTREME2:3 UNITED FC 1776 XTREMEBRADDOCK ROAD YOUTH CLUB ELITE ACADEMY vs2:0 UNITED FC 1776 XTREME2:0 SJEB RUSH ACADEMY1;1 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY ECNL1;1 PSA WILDCATS FURY NPL0:0 NJ STALLIONS ACADEMY FREEDOM
And last but not least Vs each other - curious to see some analysis of these results. I see good teams very close to each other with the exception of a few. Have FunPLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY ECNL3;1 CONTINENTAL FC ECNL0:0 FC BUCKS ECNL0:2 MATCH FIT ACADEMY FC ECNLCOUNCIL ROCK UNITED SA PA FC BUCKS ECNL3:0 CONTINENTAL FC ECNL2:0 MATCH FIT ACADEMY FC ECNL0:0 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY ECNLMATCH FIT ACADEMY FC ECNL3:0 CONTINENTAL FC ECNL2:0 PRINCETON SA WILDCATS2:0 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY ECNL1:0 MORRIS UNITED SA STA NPL0:2 FC BUCKS ECNLPLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY SOUTH2;1 PENN FUSION SA PREACADEMY CRAIGIESJEB RUSH ACADEMY6;1 HARLEYSVILLE FC READY5:0 NJ STALLIONS ACADEMY FREEDOM0:0 NJ STALLIONS ACADEMY FREEDOM3;2 NJ ELITE WATCHUNG HILLS FLAMES3;2 NJ ELITE WATCHUNG HILLS FLAMES1:0 NJ ELITE WATCHUNG HILLS FLAMES2;1 READING RAGE SC MORGAN1:1 READING RAGE SC MORGAN2:0 PSA WILDCATS FURY NPL2:0 PSA WILDCATS FURY NPL1;2 PSA WILDCATS FURY NPL1:0 FC COPA COPA NJ ACADEMY BLACK0:1 MORRIS UNITED SA STA NPL0:3 UNITED FC 1776 XTREMEUNITED FC 1776 XTREME3:0 SJEB RUSH ACADEMY3:0 PENN UNITED FORCE FC2:0 HARLEYSVILLE FC READY1:0 MORRIS UNITED SA STA NPL0:0 FC COPA COPA NJ ACADEMY BLACKREADING RAGE SC MORGAN4;3 NJ ELITE WATCHUNG HILLS FLAMES3;1 MORRIS UNITED SA STA NPL2;1 PENN FUSION SA PREACADEMY CRAIGIE4;4 HARLEYSVILLE FC READY1:1 NJ STALLIONS ACADEMY FREEDOM1:1 SJEB RUSH ACADEMY1:2 SJEB RUSH ACADEMY1:5 PRINCETON SA WILDCATSNJ ELITE WATCHUNG HILLS FLAMES4:0 MORRIS UNITED SA STA NPL1;1 MORRIS UNITED SA STA NPL4:1 LEHIGH VALLEY UNITED BLACK3:0 FC COPA COPA NJ ACADEMY BLACK2:1 FC COPA COPA NJ ACADEMY BLACK3;4 READING RAGE SC MORGAN2;3 SJEB RUSH ACADEMY2;3 SJEB RUSH ACADEMY0:1 SJEB RUSH ACADEMY2:3 PSA WILDCATS FURY NPL1;3 PRINCETON SA WILDCATSCONTINENTAL FC ECNL2:0 PSA WILDCATS FURY NPL1;3 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY ECNL0:3 FC BUCKS ECNL0:3 MATCH FIT ACADEMY FC ECNLLEHIGH VALLEY UNITED BLACK1:1 MORRIS UNITED SA STA NPL1:4 NJ ELITE WATCHUNG HILLS FLAMESPSA WILDCATS FURY NPL5;2 PRINCETON SA WILDCATS2;3 PRINCETON SA WILDCATS3;1 HARLEYSVILLE FC READY3;1 FC COPA COPA NJ ACADEMY BLACK3;2 FC COPA COPA NJ ACADEMY BLACK3;2 NJ ELITE WATCHUNG HILLS FLAMES0:2 CONTINENTAL FC ECNL0:2 SJEB RUSH ACADEMY0:2 SJEB RUSH ACADEMYPRINCETON SA WILDCATS5;1 READING RAGE SC MORGAN3;1 PDA SOUTH2;1 MORRIS UNITED SA STA NPL2;1 NJ STALLIONS ACADEMY FREEDOM2:5 PSA WILDCTAS FURY NPL3;2 PSA WILDCATS FURY NPL0:2 MATCH FIT ACADEMY FC ECNL0:2 FC COPA COPA NJ ACADEMY BLACKNJ STALLIONS ACADEMY FREEDOM2:1 MORRIS UNITED SA STA NPL1;2 MORRIS UNITED SA STA NPL1:0 HARLEYSVILLE FC READY1;1 READING RAGE SC MORGAN0:0 SJEB RUSH ACADEMY0:5 SJEB RUSH ACADEMY1:2 PRINCETON SA WILDCATSHARLEYSVILLE FC READY2:1 PENN UNITED FORCE FC4:4 READING RAGE SC MORGAN0:1 NJ STALLIONS ACADEMY FREEDOM0:1 FC COPA COPA NJ ACADEMY BLACK0:2 UNITED FC 1776 XTREME1;3 PSA WILDCATS FURY NPL1;6 SJEB RUSH ACADEMYFC COPA COPA NJ ACADEMY BLACK2:0 PRINCETON SA WILDCATS1;0 HARLEYSVILLE FC READY1:1 MORRIS UNITED SA STA NPL1;2 MORRIS UNITED SA STA NPL0:0 UNITED FC 1776 XTREME0:1 SJEB RUSH ACADEMY0:1 PDA SOUTH2:3 PSA WILDCTAS FURY NPL1:3 PSA WILDCTAS FURY NPL1;2 NJ ELITE WATCHUNG HILLS FLAMES0:3 NJ ELITE WATCHUNG HILLS FLAMESPENN FUSION SA PREACADEMY CRAIGIE1;2 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY SOUTH1:2 READING RAGE SC MORGANMORRIS UNITED SA STA NPL1:0 SJEB RUSH ACADEMY2;1 FC COPA COPA NJ ACADEMY BLACK1:1 FC COPA COPA NJ ACADEMY BLACK0:1 UNITED FC 1776 XTREME1;2 PRINCETON SA WILDCATS0:1 MATCH FIT ACADEMY FC ECNL1;1 LEHIGH VALLEY UNITED BLACK1;1 NJ ELITE WATCHUNG HILLS FLAMES2;1 NJ STALLIONS ACADEMY FREEDOM1;2 NJ STALLIONS ACADEMY FREEDOM1;3 READING RAGE SC MORGAN0:4 NJ ELITE WATCHUNG HILLS FLAMESPENN UNITED FORCE FC1:2 HARLEYSVILLE FC READY0:3 UNITED FC 1776 XTREME
Instead of all that, just give me the top three brackets from Bethesda, Disney, CASL DA and ECNL showcases and maybe one other. Who finished on top in those when college coaches were watching, that's how I would rate my best teams. League games like NPL or EDP, even state cup games, are a joke as coaches use them for line changes and warm ups at U17.
12:02 why don't you give us the top 3. So we can see what you really know.
and then top winners from the winners of all the postings play PF and PDA DA teams for all the marbles. seems harsh to exclude DA from all of this.
PA teams1. PF2. 17763. Continental FC4. Rage United NJ Teams Name top 4
0 days until the Penn Fusion Tournament.
Scores are a little ridiculous at this weekend's tournament!
True, have some serious mismatches going on.
Playing is ridiculous. No don't worry it won't snow! Suckers. Penn Fusion money grab for sure.
FC Europa Elite 3-2-14. This is not a showcase by any stretch of the imagination. Chalk this showcase up as a waste of everyone's time. 10-0 seems like good soccer to me. Benefit for anyone?
FCV DA got their revenge. Beat PF DA 3-2.
There was 32 college coaches at our game, should we just chalk that up to a waste of time?
well, that depends on the colleges. not all colleges are worth getting excited about. competition-wise the weekend is a bit off. there are some very good teams and some very bad teams. also, the 4 DA teams may not even be the best 4 teams in the tournament. so it is a little uneven. there are some good D1 colleges there but mostly small D3 schools. Nothing wrong with that -- it just isn't exactly Jeff Cup or the like. overall it is a decent primer for the spring season.
At this point in time, what are the top leagues to be in and in what order? My daughter is in NPL and it’s certainly not what it use to be. It’s seems like a dead league.
That opens up a huge can of works. Your intuition is correct though -- NPL is not uniformly one of the highest leagues. The oversimplified explanation -- Until recently there was USYS and US Club. US Club included ECNL and NPL. ECNL was considered more elite by many and NPL was actually a collection of small leagues. Because of the diversity of the NPL leagues, you often had very good teams and very poor teams in the NPL. Then the Development Academy came along. A fraction of the ECNL clubs moved to ECNL, then recombined age groups and combined with other clubs. The result was that you ended up with a concentration of good players some clubs, but you also had some DA clubs that are little better than some NPL clubs. ECNL, generally has suffered in quality across the board as the result of losing these good players, but there are still some ECNL clubs in tact that are very good. USYS clubs have also been impacted from the DA draw, but mostly have remained intact. So, you'll get an argument about the ranking of clubs, but in general, the DA clubs are the strongest. Many ECNL and USYS clubs are on similar level and many USYS and NPL clubs are on the same level. My advice is to look at youthsoccerrankings.us and search for teams in your are to see how they stack up regionally and nationally. There is not perfect measuring stick but it is a good start.
(can of worms)
Ecnl teams did well at vda tourney vs several age grps - da teams - vda and classics. 00/99 Continental ecnl won vs u18 wash spirit Va 2-0 at pf tourney but lost to u18 fc Va 4-0. Showing some da teams not better than some ecnl.
Overall it was a great spring warmup weekend for everyone. And if your daughter was observed by some coaches, then that's a plus!!
10:17 I agree if your kid played before a coach and played well congrats.The question is were the games balanced or were they controlled by one team?Virginia Development Academy ShowcaseFlight A35.20 Capital United-Blue Force 3-0-0 (+11)34.53 Great Falls Soccer Club Renegades Red 1-1-0 (+0)31.58 Liverpool FCIA Western MD 1-2-0 (-3)31.07 PWSI Courage NPL 0-2-0 (-8)PennFusion Development Academy ShowcaseFlight A36.79 1776 UNITED FC XTREME 3-0-0 (+10) Prediction 3 wins by+7 goals36.37 READING RAGE '01 MORGAN 3-0-0 (+6) Prediction 3 wins by +7 goals35.19 HARFORD FC UNITED THUNDER 1-2-0 (+1) Prediction 1 win by +0 goals34.95 HMMS EAGLE FC 01 UNITED 0-2-1 (-7)34.25 DELAWARE RUSH DE RUSH 0-1-1 (-3)32.29 FC EUROPA ELITE 0-2-0 (-7)Flight B35.12 SJEB RUSH 01 GIRLS NPL 3-0-0 (+10)35.31 PENN FUSION SA PREACADEMY 1-1-1 (+9)35.57 MATCH FIT ACADEMY FC 2001 NPL 1-1-1 (+4)FC EUROPA ELITE 0-3-0 (-23)10:31 I agree depends on the NPL.EDP NPL was never strong (1-3 good teams)NYCSL NPL a step above EDP NPL (2-3 good teams)NorthEast NPL took a huge hit - Since USDA Clubs PDA/FC Stars/WorldClass 'B' team are now their ECNL teams and PennFusion/BostonBreaker B teams are out.New England NPL lost Oakwood only so not really touched by USDA.I think if advancing to a national event is your cup of tea ERL is clearly a better option than any of the NPLs if you don't want to travel then EDP has some solid teams alsoI agree ECNL a step above NPL took a huge hit in the NorthEast with PDA,FC Stars, WorldClass, Albertson using their B teams and PennFusion and Boston Breakers leaving this has opened the door for FC Bucks, MatchFit, CFC Delco to move up the ranks. I also agree YouthSoccer rankings is a pretty good tool (see above predictions pretty much spot on with 1776, Rage and Harford)
Saw this on another of these blogs....anyone else see these results posted. Richmond United U16 ECNL 6 - VDA ‘02s 0Richmond United U16 ECNL 0 - VDA ‘01s 0McLean U15 ECNL 1 - FC Virginia DA ‘03’s 1McLean U15 ECNL 3 - Wash Spirit DA - 1Richmond United U15 ECNL 2 - VDA ‘03s 1Richmond United U15 ECNL 5 - PA Classics U15 DA 0Richmond United U14 ECNL 1 - VDA ‘04s 0Not a good showing this weekend by region 1 development academies against region 1 ECNL teams" February 18, 2018
12:21 New England NPL lost NEFC top team a year ago when they became Breakers and went ECNL and now GDA. As someone noted above some ECNL teams had success with some GDA teams this weekend. These leagues are all over the place anymore. I wonder how it will correct itself, if it will. This has to be a nightmare for recruiting.
1:17 let's rephrase not a good showing by VDA teams. They can't compete with FC Virginia & Spirit in VA. They will lose their academy status at some point. The USDA takes away the status they don't want weak teams in their league to avoid post like yours. Why should we care about 2002, 2003 and 2004 teams when most of us are done in a year or two with the 2001 board. Sorry but I have nothing to add to those age groups.1:34 I didn't mention them because the NEFC NPL team from last year is still in the league. The only loss was Oakwood this year.
obviously you didn't read the post. i posted looking for verification/score board as i found that post on another blog and could not find with tourney info. your post about relegating makes sense, but was not the purpose of the post. btw - VDA U18/19 posted a 1-0 game with PDA (the former ecnl nat'l champions) while that age group Spirit/VA just lost to an ECNL team (continental). i think they need to let the teams hold their emblems for another year before relegating. just my 2 cents.
"Why should we care about 2002, 2003 and 2004 teams when most of us are done in a year or two with the 2001 board. Sorry but I have nothing to add to those age groups."Don't some 2002's and 03's play up with this age group? that may be why you care. those age group kids could be teammates. it caught my curiosity in the league overview. i have younger kids playing as well.
2:53 yes individual players play on 2001 teams2001 Players can't play on 2002, 2003 and 2004 TEAMS2:48 I posted the tables for this age group right before yours. https://tgs.totalglobalsports.com/public/master.aspx?eid=411http://events.gotsport.com/events/default.aspx?EventID=61166
4:01 t/y for the links. they did not appear on the blog prior to your 4:01 posting. at least i can't see it.of course 2001's can't play down on 02's and 03's. didn't think that was the purpose of the post. you must be returning home from a loooong weekend of soccer. relax. it's over.
5:09 has nothing to do with that. Sorry but 2004, 2003 & 2002 team results mean nothing to this age group in regards to the USDA team quality at this age group. Nothing to relax about just a fact.
2/19 1;54 no way they will ever take away any VA team's emblem. USSF just loves VA teams. many staff members of these clubs are connected. just saying.
McLean most connected. Not DA hence one of the major areas to pull YNT kids from ECNL. Same with Bethesda. Until the YNT connections switch clubs VA and MD GDA will continue to be weak. The YNT "threat" doesn't hold where the YNT connections are ecnl. Same in Cleveland.
some of those kids are playing GDA. not sure why their ECNL team is listed instead of GDA (they play on spirit teams). only let's us know another connected kid getting an invite. didn't change anything from ECNL.
hmmm. interesting. well, what was the final call on the 1st time tourneys this weekend at VDA and PF? worth it for next time or save your pennies for Jeff Cup? the build up on this site was hard to miss.
VDA was a joke!
@10;15 & 10;44 - US DA Tech Advisor is a former McLean club coach as late as last ECNL season. no changes from ECNL politics.
So my daughter and I had the pleasure of attending a four hour D1 ID camp yesterday morning, and was pleasantly surprised by the head coach asking her to stay after and spend some extra time with the team and staff for lunch (not free those as regulations didn't permit it). It turned into nearly a five hour visit with scholarship offer in the coaches office at the end. She was caught a little of guard as I was, but what intrigued me was that the coach also told my daughter that she should visit the other schools first. One that are on her short list and be 100% positive this is the school she wants to be at before she says yes. I checked on the schools women's soccer freshmen retention rate, and for the last two years, this school is over 90%. While talking in his office, I notice notes to his Asst Coaches that where on his white board behind us. One of them read:1.Speed2.Passion for the game3.Work history in High School3.Ability on the field4.Soccer IQ5.Treatment of teammates and coaches?6. Equals players we want.He answered some questions practice, views regarding tournaments, and dealing with the cultural diversity of students. Two that were interesting were:He does not believe in practices longer than 90 minutes, two hour an absolute max. Players that play a full game or heavy minutes should never have the same practice as a player that didn't play or played limited minutes. He felt it's one of the serious problems with youth soccer today. Starters need a recovery type practice, not more running and scrimmaging. More players lose passion for the game in their Junior HS year than at anytime. Having the freedom of driving to social events and possible boyfriends often causes loss of focus of what they once only wanted to do (play soccer). Was like to hear your thoughts and possible similar experiences.
Is your daughter a junior? Had she been seen by the coach before at tournaments?
Would have to had seen play somewhere before. Any coach that offers a scholarship solely based on a few hours at an ID camp has to be nuts or desperate.
2:23 can you explain why it was a joke?Too easy to just spew comments...
12:30 why? If this was the main clinic, the one with the recruits and she did well why not? It does seem a little odd though, I would think they like to see a player play multiple times before an offer.PS. Congrats - it's obviously a school she likes since you went to the clinic.Must be nice to have someone want your kid enough to offer money. Not sure of your details but let's say a $50k a year school offers 50% that's $100k your kid is getting for playing soccer for 4 years. Question for you guys can "need money" be added to this from the school let's say another $20k per year? Followed by some Academic money to equal a free ride?
10:50 He had seen her play a number of times last year. At Bethesda, Las Vegas and finally at Casl. We had received a camp invite through our club coach this winter and stated that that if my daughter had any questions, she should call. It was a very small ID camp of 20-25 players and had girls attending from a wide range of states , including west coast DA players. I always have seen my daughter as a very fast player with good skills, but there were some girls there that were insanely fast. It's a good thing a passed ball travels faster than a player running.
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Thank you 7:55 and since she is just a sophomore and really liked the school, she was kind of overwhelmed by the offer. But the head coach was great and told her to take time to look at other schools that have reached out, and to be absolutely sure of where she wants to go. That the school she chooses and major selected are more important than soccer being played. He would hold the offer and watch a couple of her league games in the process.
Congrats!! Nice to read good stories
Congrats to you and daughter. My kid committed as soph too. Same speech,make sure you want to be there and check out other prospects. She appreciated the latitude as well. Here is my question. Once real money discussed under ncaa rules arent you on a clock so to speak?Also you are not gda i guess as you added the fast da kids from west coast. How many on your team getting same, similar interest?
as a sophmore, the verbal offer at the camp can't be followed by an official offer correct?An older daughter had a verbal at camp as a junior which was followed a couple weeks later on paper...
11:21 You are correct, it was just a verbal. thanks 11:15 for the question about being on a clock regarding money discussed. Not something I'm sure of but would like to know and should absolutely know. Also wanted to mention again although my daughter does not play DA or ECNL, I was extremely impressed with the west coast DA players and a couple of the ECNL midfielders. Their ability to hold and distribute in high traffic areas was pretty impressive, and it was obvious they were use to intense high speed play. As I mentioned earlier, the player from the Seattle DA was not big at all, but seem to never make a bad pass or turnover the ball. I imagine that some of those players will have many more options than my daughter will.To answer 11:21s last question. Our EDP team has one player that has been committed to a D1 (full ride)since last fall, and another junior in discussion with Pennsylvania D1's. Also have a couple D2 commits, but not sure what monies are involved (none of my business of course).
Awesome!! Nice to see that your daughter doesn't need those special DA or ECNL letters on her team. Kudos to the club. Can you at least share what state club is in?
12:25 It's a PA club and we were in the top bracket at Vegas last year (so kind of a give a way there), where by the way, we got smoked by West Coach Ecnl 5-0 in one game (finished 2-2). But from that early tournament we started getting coaches emails almost right away. As much as I would like to give the club props, it has been more about the coach and his knowledge of how to play the college recruitment game. Let's face it, ECNL and DA usually have better players, better teams and are better funded and do a better job promoting their players. For an EDP to stay relevant and hope to be seen by any coaches, they have to be able get into the upper brackets at major tournaments. The only way to do that is to win or finish in the top three of everything your entered in, regardless of whether its seen as point chasing or not. Because of the points garnered from Vegas, EDP League, NEWSS and other mundane tournaments, we were able to get into Bethesda, Disney and CASL and be in the top three brackets. That is how our players were seen. I know many felt the Penn Fusion Tournament was a useless tournament that was a waste of time, but not to an EDP team. Hope all the girls have a great spring and get more emails than they can hope to return.
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