Monday, April 23, 2018

U17 (2001) Girls Youth Soccer

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Anonymous said...

8:35 I hear ya. when my niece who is older played USYS, she punted all the time. at 10 she was putting the ball right outside the other keeper's box. has multiple assists and even a goal as a gk. she has even taken service balls on corners and curled them in and pk's in shoot-outs. strong leg. anyway, in ECNL was told to punt a lot less. in DA hardly punts at all even under pressure as directed by her GK coach. she makes her own decisions too. and her team is very successful.

Anonymous said...

I hate saying this but in theory USDA/ECNL have better quality players so you would expect them to handle that a little easier. Like the Rage parent said they play that way which fits the players they have most teams want to play that way but can't and that's okay.

Just for the record I love playing out of the back and I don't care if a team connects 10 passes or 1 to score a goal as long as they are having fun playing and of course the kids get to the promise land what ever that means to them individually.

Anonymous said...

12:42 Good point and as long as the system fits the players and parents needs, who are we to complain? Now, about those Jeff Cup Brackets..............

Anonymous said...

12;40 in theory I would agree. in reality not always.

Anonymous said...

Brackets seem realistic

Anonymous said...

TIFWIW, but rumors in the DC area are that Virginia Development Academy has decided to leave the girls DA and move to ECNL instead. The club will keep their boys DA. I haven't seen official confirmation but supposedly current parents have been informed.

Anonymous said...

Wow! If true, it was a short run.

Anonymous said...

11:26 Seems a little strange to see ECNL teams bracketed below non ecnl teams. Jeff has always been very ECNL friendly.

Anonymous said...

good for them if they made that decision without USSF pressure to do so. in their conference, tough road to get top 2 spots for playoffs at end of season. wonder if McLean then gets DA? hypotheticals anyone?

Anonymous said...

Meant to add, one possible factor is that the director of PWSI, which is the parent club of the VDA, was recently selected as chairman of the US Club Soccer BOD

Anonymous said...

11:26
ECNL friendly or politically motivated and biased, are they not going by stats and rankings?

Anonymous said...

Has it? (Jeff Cup). Always thought USYS teams got the top brackets only a few yrs ago, but then many USYS teams were better than ECNL. And, Jeff Cup was THE event. How many teams do they have that applied in today's league mess?

This really has become quite a mess.

Anonymous said...

Virginia is the place to be to get the soccer advantage it seems. Look for VDA call-ups. :)

Anonymous said...

Ussf regional scout is from Mclean and the DC area callups are great players, but the skids are surely greased.

Anonymous said...

I don't know of anyone at VDA that would pass the straight face test for a call-up.

Anonymous said...

1:03 A MESS. That is a perfect description of today's girls soccer landscape. As I'm sure many of you have had, I have talked with many college coaches this spring (many being 6-8). Not one coach has used the term 01 or 02 in referring to a prospective recruit, each one only uses the term "2019 grad year" or "2020 grad year".
The unrest caused by the birth year change (which could have been grandfather in) and then the DA/ECNL split, has created a mess that will be reversed withing the next three years. Strictly because each new president wants to show they are a model for change, even if they don't have a clue if its for the better.

Anonymous said...

my younger kids are playing lacrosse. i'm not doing this again.

Anonymous said...

College coaches only look at graduation year, that's not new fyi

Anonymous said...

6:49 Of course that's not new, but unfortunately some DA parents see it as a separating point in the recruiting process and it's not. I had a DA parent tell me that she hopes her daughter is one of first 02's committed. I reminded her that on her team there was already 01 sophomores committed (her daughter is an 02 sophomore), so why would it matter. So fyi, some just don't get it.

Anonymous said...

CS new coaching director is desperately trying to cancel tomorrow’s da games vs pda because he’s afraid of getting beat up in his first games as the coach.

Anonymous said...

stop the fake news. troll.

Anonymous said...

8:15
Perhaps the parents are involved too much and don't know s#4t? Many girls seem to be on DA, more for the parents than for themselves....

Anonymous said...

8:15 what was the parent's reaction as there seems to be a race of some sort about committing going on? stupid. who cares when they commit just if they are going where they want and getting what they want out of it. you can't fix stupid.

Anonymous said...

I believe committing is a bit of the tail wagging the dog for the soccer first parents. Kids often inherit their parents suggestions so if mom or dad is playing up a school soccer wise the kid will naturally associate it as their first choice. For the most part kids (and over-achievers like most high level athletes) want to impress their parents. At U15 if a parent thinks their kid is Power 5 material and that is all they talk about than the kid will strive to those levels, and falling short will be a disappointment. And by the time U17 rolls around and they are still looking at schools they start realizing the educational part of the equation plays a bigger role. And this is also what plays in the race to commit.

Anonymous said...

and reality sets in when you realize your kid is not as good as you thought

Anonymous said...

12:58,

I am 12:46, sometimes your kid is as good as you think, but the sad fact is sometimes in the decision makers mind promoting someone else benefits the coach/club more. True, there are parents who over value their child's ability, or the coach values a different style of play so it is an objective process. But there is the other end of the spectrum where connections and bias sometimes puts good players at a disadvantage. I was with a team that had a GK that was exceptional, won games for her team, and had a strong presence in net, a keeper came in whose parents were a bit more connected with a local prep as well as a few Ivy connections and miraculously their daughter became the preferred keeper, the team went from a top 3 to a bottom 3. Year over year since GAA went up (yes GK only 1 of 11). The other keeper moved on and has committed to a good school, still waiting to see what happens with the replacement.

Anonymous said...

Only a dope coach would sacrifice an entire team for one kid. Unless the kid is a relative which happens a lot. Akso any player can bebe great when younger. It is staying great as you get older that natters.

Anonymous said...

Would you agree 7:36, that your technical skills have to be great by U16, and that basically a coach beyond that age is more useful as a tactical teacher?

Anonymous said...

7:43 100% agree

7:36 Also agree the coach should be about the team, parent coach or not.

1:09 The selectors always promote the players they think are the best right or wrong.

No list this time but i do have results

APC Premier Cup Girls 2018 Spring Showcase
1 SJEB RUSH 01 GIRLS NPL
2 FC BERNA LEGACY 01G BLACK

0 PA CLASSICS/NOVA U17
4 HARFORD FC UNITED THUNDER

3 SJEB RUSH 01 GIRLS NPL
1 PA CLASSICS/NOVA U17

0 FC BERNA LEGACY 01G BLACK
2 HARFORD FC UNITED THUNDER


2018 Loudoun Soccer College Showcase
1 LOUDOUN SOCCER 01G RED
0 MARYLAND UNITED FC 2001 PREMIER

1 FC VIRGINIA UNITED ELITE 01
0 GREAT FALLS 01G RENEGADES


2018 MANHATTAN KICKOFF CLASSIC
2 MANHATTAN SC PRIDE 01 NPL
3 SAC PREMIER BLUE

0 CLARKSTOWN 2001 ELITE
3 FC COPA ACADEMY BLACK

1 FC COPA ACADEMY BLACK
1 SAC PREMIER BLUE

1 MANHATTAN SC PRIDE 01 NPL
2 CLARKSTOWN 2001 ELITE

0 NEW YORK SC G01 NPL
1 NEFC BBA 2001 NPL

3 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY SOUTH
0 WATCHUNG HILLS NJ ELITE

3 WATCHUNG HILLS NJ ELITE
0 NEFC BBA 2001 NPL

1 NEW YORK SC G01 NPL
0 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY SOUTH

Anonymous said...

agree entirely about the coach being about the team; parent coach or not. but, that is when you find the blinders on with some parent coaches. not all, but some.

Anonymous said...

10:29 I agree with your blinders comment. But do you find that sometimes it's more out of blind loyalty to a player a coach may have had for many years, or simply the coach is not seeing the lack of ability that parents and other players see? One of the toughest things for coaches to do is tell parents that he has had a 5 or 6 year relationship with, that their daughter isn't good enough.

Anonymous said...

Nice win for NYSC

Anonymous said...

@752 agreed. that is why some clubs don't have the same coach follow them up the ladder. it's not good for either of them. 1-2 yrs consecutively should be the limit.

Anonymous said...

ECNL Northeast

0 Continental FC U17
2 Maryland United ECNL U17

0 PDA ECNL U17
1 FC Bucks ECNL U17

1 Albertson Fury ECNL U17
3 East Meadow SC ECNL U17

Overall
W - T - L (GD)
3 - 1 - 2 ((+7) Bethesda SC ECNL U17
2 - 1 - 0 (+3) FC Boston ECNL U17
2 - 1 - 1 (+1) Maryland United ECNL U17
2 - 0 - 2 (-1) FC Bucks ECNL U17
1 - 2 - 0 (+2) FC Stars ECNL U17
1 - 2 - 0 (+2) World Class ECNL U17
1 - 2 - 1 (+1) East Meadow SC ECNL U17
1 - 1 - 1 (0) Match Fit Academy U17
1 - 1 - 2 (-3) PDA ECNL U17
1 - 0 - 3 (-5) Continental FC U17
0 - 1 - 3 (-7) Albertson Fury ECNL U17
0 - 0 - 3 (-4) Connecticut FC ECNL U17
0 - 0 - 0 (0) FSA ECNL U17


Sunday resuls

APC Premier Cup Girls 2018 Spring Showcase
3 FC BERNA LEGACY 01G BLACK
0 PA CLASSICS/NOVA U17

2 HARFORD FC UNITED THUNDER 0 2-
0 SJEB RUSH 01 GIRLS NPL


2018 Loudoun Soccer College Showcase
0 MARYLAND UNITED FC 2001 PREMIER
1 GREAT FALLS 01G RENEGADES


2018 MANHATTAN KICKOFF CLASSIC
0 FC COPA ACADEMY BLACK
2 MANHATTAN SC PRIDE 01 NPL

3 SAC PREMIER BLUE
1 CLARKSTOWN 2001 ELITE

3 WATCHUNG HILLS NJ ELITE
0 NEW YORK SC G01 NPL

2 NEFC BBA 2001 NPL
0 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY SOUTH

Anonymous said...

Nice win for FC Bucks vs PDA.

Anonymous said...

3:27 Good point and also different coaches emphasize different skills and tactics. Also forces players out their comfort zone, which can also be a good thing.

Anonymous said...

What year is this for CS with that PF team? 6? Talk about a limit lol

Anonymous said...

so they were 9/10? come on. did PF even have 9/10/11 yr old teams 6 yrs ago? how big was that fish you caught again?

Anonymous said...

Sorry 5 years. It’ll be 6 when he’s announced as coach for next year too. CS has consistently coached that same 01/02 group as far back as the West Chester Predator days. Ridiculous right?

Anonymous said...

West Chester SC/Penn Fusion Academy = same organization. U13 was the first year girls played under the name Penn Fusion. He was also their U12 coach when the girls top team was the West Chester Predators. So yes many of the players on that team have had him 5 straight years now.

Anonymous said...

If you remember the PF U12 team of five years ago, their top players at that time are not impact players at this point. One is on the pre-academy team and the other (CM favorite back then), get minimal minutes on the DA field.
In all fairness to CM, he is a terrific practice coach, just not a very strong game day coach. Since the DA teams practice more than they play, it may be the perfect fit for him.

Anonymous said...

That center mid is now a Big 10 commit.

Anonymous said...

10:01 connections not skill play a big factor in that .

Anonymous said...

Glad I didn’t say it :)

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Anonymous said...

Interesting you guys are saying that college coaches will take players based on connections instead of skill? What's in it for the college coach if they get fired if they take lesser players and could have taken players to help the program?

Anonymous said...

you are correct. just let em spew. i figured they were disgruntled parents. kids passed over either by the college, the team or both. may want to try some sugar in their coffee so it's not quite as bitter.

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Anonymous said...

10:57 you need help badly

Anonymous said...

I won’t discuss a particular player because it’s not right however if you think CS doesn’t work his connections when he ‘wants’ to, you’re crazy. He has connections and yes he uses them. Doesn’t mean it the best thing for a player down the road however if they aren’t seeing the field for that team. As a coach it sure makes ‘him’ look good though ;)

Anonymous said...

every coach uses connections, every player uses connections, every person in the workforce uses connections. Not everyone talks crap about kids.

Anonymous said...

10:57
Not only are you out of line for using names of players on here, if the kid is frankie that means dad is Vinnie and you may find yourself with concrete around your ankles soon.

Anonymous said...

Ahhh....the power of connections is stronger than you obviously know 10:35.

Anonymous said...

What happened to the Flames this weekend?

Anonymous said...

Wow! Somebody touched a nerve. I don't think anyone was really putting down the player or whatever enabled her to join a Big 10 program. Not only should she and her parents be proud of the accomplishment, but so should her coach. It was more about a club mission statements being compromised when a player and coach have been together too long, and the coach chooses loyalty to a player over that statement.
By PF agreeing to join the DA, they thus assume the mission statement that the DA puts out there. PF, like many other DA clubs, will either disregard what that statement says or continue on as a pseudo ECNL club.
Let us not forget that TM has offered mergers with other clubs a couple times and backed out at the last second more than once, so a sudden decision to go back to an ECNL format if it benefits TM, would happen in a second.

Anonymous said...

VDA announcement of switch to ECNL:

http://www.vdasoccer.org/Default.aspx?tabid=1231129

Anonymous said...

The first of many that will follow. Impossible to serve two masters.

Anonymous said...

Seems like they could've given it a longer whirl? Did they know relegation is coming?

Anonymous said...

2:08 I would imagine it was more about where the profit margin falls than anything to do with soccer or the players best interest.

Anonymous said...

Empire/LISC/PAC need to be replaced with SUSA/Delco/SJEB


U.S. SOCCER DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY
Northeast /Atlantic GP W L T GD
FC Fury NY 45 36 16 2 38
Sky Blue - PDA 48 33 8 7 90
New York City FC 49 33 13 3 74
Penn Fusion Soccer Academy 46 32 11 3 79
FC Virginia 51 31 15 5 67
Boston Breakers Academy 42 21 19 2 24
Oakwood Soccer Club 46 21 21 4 17
FC Stars 43 17 22 4 -8
Washington Spirit Academy - Virginia 51 14 26 11 -53
Virginia Development Academy 48 13 27 8 -48
Cedar Stars Academy - Monmouth 48 12 33 3 -84
Washington Spirit Academy Baltimore Armour 45 11 31 3 -73
Sky Blue - NYSC 39 10 24 5 -33
PA Classics 39 8 27 4 -72
Long Island SC 37 5 31 1 -112
Empire United 37 3 31 3 -129

Anonymous said...

PAC landed middle of their conference after the Fall so that won’t happen. CSA and/or WSA Baltimore would be subject to replacement before they would. VDA CHOSE to leave for ECNL. You really want teams replaced after the first season? Wow I’d hate to be your kid with expectations that high! Maybe give teams a full year at the least?

Anonymous said...

4;15 I get that - but as you can see from my list their 3 Academy teams were at the bottom saved by Empire and LISC. Three team -72 goals differential is bad. Wait you really think a NWSL team or a team tied to Tab Ramos would go first?

Yes, teams should always be replaced if they can't meet the standards! Simple that's the only way you are the top. In regards to VDA you had all the Virginia/Maryland DA teams come to PennFusion instead of staying home playing the same teams I don't think they had a choice and it looks like the ECNL stole a DA team. ECNL grabbed Loudon this age groups team was relegated from ERL Elite same as BRYC last year not sure about other ages. Empire was also relegated from ERL Elite so I'm not shocked to see - 129 goals against and only 3 wins from 37 games. LISC aka Massapequa also way out of their zone. Philadelphia Union and Delco partnership would be better and they would steal from all the top teams in the area. You know similar to NYCFC/WorldClass, Sky Blue/PDA, Fury/Albertson they would have DA and ECNL teams in addition to NPL teams cha ching.

Anonymous said...

why would the Union possibly look at Delco for a GDA; Delco isn't doing well in ECNL? please don't take this as bashing as that is not my intent. it's just questioning your logic as far as Union. Union could hang it's own shingle in my opinion and kids would flock to it including from other DA's.

If anything, maybe the PF/Delco merger gets some traction again.

Anonymous said...

If I was Delco I would stay far away from involving myself with the likes of TM at PF !

Anonymous said...

Totally agree with 7:10! What would make any club want to even consider going through an elaborate process with TM? Only to have it rejected in the final process when TM can't get absolutely everything he wants? Also like 5:11 comments that teams should be replaced if they can't meet the standard set by the DA. I thought the whole DA premise was based upon its national search for the best players. Or is a national search for the best players that can afford it (which means nothing has changed).
By the way, -72 is not bad, that is downright horrible and makes college coaches watch the other game going on behind them.

Anonymous said...

They are looking to recruit players not teams!

Anonymous said...

Take another sip of that kool-aid 8:27. Your coach would be upset that you didn't use at least two exclamation marks to emphasize his practiced speech. Your right of course. Coaches would much rather go to a game where the speed of play is much slower and there are fewer players that could possibly make their team. How silly of me to think otherwise.
There is definitely no bigger college coaching draw than a PAC -72 squad against a Washington Spirit Academy -73 team. In fact they would probably not even turn around to watch Sky Blue playing against FC Virginia.

Anonymous said...

My daughter attended a D1 soccer camp last year. Highly respected coach. He made it a point to let the players know his scouting is not limited to DA and ECNL. It’s not limited to the very best teams. He knows circumstances have great players spread out all over on various teams in various leagues.

Of coarse it makes it easier to be on a great DA team but that’s hardly the only passage to playing D1 college soccer with a great scholarship. Please keep your ignorance to a minimum.

Anonymous said...

10:49 Look at you taking another big sip. You were at an ID camp and a coach said that? Gee, what a surprise!!! Because coaches would never tell players that are paying $125-$250 to attend their camp that they wouldn't look at their team. They want those girls back next year too (and friends). Liberty had over 90 players at one of their camps at $200.00 each, is a coach going to turn away $18,000 and say "if your on a lower team there's no chance"? Talk about ignorance. Getting a little hard to see the forest through those trees 10:49? Just in case someone on your team hasn't told you yet or your coach won't talk to you (I can understand why), college is a business and it's about money. College coaches are not only there to sell you on the viability of making their team, but also convincing high school students of attending their school regardless of the sport being played. It's why part of the camp is an administration visit. Try to keep your ignorance at a minimum.

Anonymous said...

My point in listing the U15, U16/U17, U18/U19 standings by club yesterday was to show the draw some clubs have. Empire and LISC are in trouble. PAC, NYSC not far behind. NYSC is lucky to have the Sky Blue tag, as long as they sport that they are safe.

Why would the Union look at Delco? Because they have an ECNL/NPL model in place already. Once they throw their name in the hat, they will draw top players no doubt and like I said they would be able to offer DA/ECNL/NPL/Other. They could also do that with FC bucks.

10:49 I agree with 7:00, they will never turn away players and I also disagree with 10:11 - If they identify a player at a their camp the flight the team plays in doesn't matter. They want to seethe player play in a comfortable situation to see how she does, they are not worried about the team they want to see if the player can fit in with the players they have or are bringing in (I think).

Anonymous said...

7:00 Are you this negative about everything in life? Must suck to be you, actually must suck for your wife and kids.

Anonymous said...

First off, who pays $200 for a Liberty camp or even takes their kid to a camp with 90 players? To the glass half empty poster, my kid doesn’t play for a top DA team and is being recruited by very solid D1 schools currently. Imagine that.

Anonymous said...

8:12 The person that wants to go to Liberty. My kid is in the same boat has three D1 schools interested in her and has never played 1 game in a top flight at any of these major tournaments, ECNL league games or DA league games. We paid to go to these clinics and like I said 3 schools called her club coach and then spoke to her after she called them. She knows exactly where she stands all because we paid to go to their ID clinics.

I have another list for you guys,DA clubs with B teams in the ECNL or this age groups National League

DA & ECNL B teams
Albion SC >>> Albion Hurricanes FC ECNL
Concorde Fire >>> Concorde Fire ECNL
Crossfire Premier >>> Crossfire Premier ECNL
Dallas Texans >>> Dallas Texans ECNL
Eclipse Select Soccer Club >>> Eclipse Select SC ECNL
FC Dallas >>> FC Dallas ECNL
FC Fury NY >>> Albertson Fury ECNL
FC Stars >>> FC Stars ECNL
LAFC Slammers >>> Slammers FC ECNL
Michigan Hawks >>> Michigan Hawks ECNL
NC Courage >>> NCFC Youth ECNL
New York City FC >>> World Class FC ECNL
NTH Tophat >>> NTH-Tophat ECNL
Orlando Pride >>> Orlando City ECNL
Real Colorado >>> Real Colorado ECNL
San Diego Surf >>> San Diego Surf ECNL
Sky Blue - PDA >>> PDA ECNL
So Cal Blues Soccer Club >>> So Cal Blues SC ECNL
Solar Soccer Club >>> Solar SC ECNL
West Coast Futbol Club >>> West Coast FC ECNL
Weston FC >>> Armada WFC ECNL

DA & National League B teams
Beach Futbol Club >>>Beach FC 01 DPL
Cincinnati Development Academy >>> CDA Premier 01
FC Kansas City >>> FCKC Academy Blues Elite 01
Legends FC >>> Legends FC 01 Academy
Lonestar SC >>> Lonestar 01G TCL Composite
Nationals >>> Nationals Union 01 Black
United Futbol Academy >>> United FA 01 Premier

Anonymous said...

CS goes out of the way for certain players and simply doesn’t care enough to with the others. PF parents know it and groan about it. They just don’t brocast their bitterness. Unless it’s on here of coarse.

Anonymous said...

@ 8:27 I would assume they had interest in her prior to the camp though?

Anonymous said...

7:57 It's funny how you can always tell when the truth hits home, simply because the slander against family always comes next. If you can take a minute to pull your head out of 8:12's ass, you would see the real point was about coaches will tell you anything at ID camps, no matter how big or small they are. They'll even feed you a good line or two on a personal visit. If they target 30 players of a certain grad year and land 10 of them, how many will actually play (3 to 6). The school is the beneficiary because they have picked up the tuition payments of a four to six hundred thousand dollars over four years. My kids have been extremely fortunate, and in some cases lucky to receive what they have from colleges and been blessed enough to get to play majority minutes.
Its sad that you have such a hard time taking emotion out of any conversation you are in. I have two kids playing college ball and get to see the parents that have been coming to the games (some for over two years) and there kids never get into the games. Strange thing is, they said the head coach told them exactly what you are saying now (must just be a coincidence).
I just telling you its a business and it has nothing to do with negativity. I also am not putting down your daughter, wife, family life or yours and 8:12's relationship. I leave the slanderous route to you as you seem much better suited for that.

Anonymous said...

7:38 - re the Union/Delco thing. don't think Union needs or wants lesser leagues. if they were interested in merger, that would have happened many moons ago because of relationship with boys' DA. although niece hasn't been there for training in a few, but that was the mindset then and don't think anything has changed.
Although did tell her to move out of USYS (was in a top team) and into ECNL when it was the top league which is now DA.

Anonymous said...

continuing which make me think that if anything, they would try to connect with a GDA club.
i wish something would happen with Union as would love to see a women's pro team back in Philly area. They would get the attendance as they do when the US Soccer plays at Union's stadium.

Anonymous said...

Hey 10:35 your mommy is calling to come out of the basement. It’s time for lunch.

Anonymous said...

10:35 good sound advice. the business of club soccer, no matter which league, is to get the kids better so colleges want them. the business of college is to win games. they only want the better kids no matter how many of their camps you attended.

Anonymous said...

oh wow 11:15..good one. are you rubber and i'm glue, too.

Anonymous said...

11:07 wouldn't that be great.

Anonymous said...

Business of club soccer is to make money...
Sorry!

Anonymous said...

ECNL welcomes PAC. Great move.

Anonymous said...

11:53, it's not official and I'm fairly sure you weren't supposed to say anything!!

Anonymous said...

PAC not going to ECNL...not happening

Anonymous said...

Bookmark this for future reference...
PAC merger with Legacy and Ballyhoo, next HMMS...all to prepare for ECNL...
Penn FC will be challenging and taking DA soon...

Anonymous said...

To clear up any speculation with the Union and merging with a GDA, most likely will never happen. There is no $$ in it as the MLS and NWSL are under different charters there is no support. If they were even thinking of it their Union Jrs program would not be limited to boys only. Also, if you look at the Union's boy's DA they have already set-up feeder programs from surrounding clubs to funnel players to the Union DA. If anything I see Continental's boy's DA program going away. Does it really make sense to have a one off program less than 10 miles from and MLS DA??

Anonymous said...

i don't see Delco boys DA going away at all. it's another opportunity for high level boys in Philly area. plus, it's been around much longer than Union as far as soccer history.

and agreed, i would have thought if they were going to merge with a GDA they would not have done away with girls in Union jr's. but, my niece trained with sr. academy boys in her position so while jr's for girls disappeared, her opportunity didn't.
who ever expected GDA to take shape so quickly when ECNL was so successful at the time.
but, things change. And while MLS and NWSL are under different charters, MLS does have NWSL teams in other areas. would like to see another in the Philly area. timing is perfect as far as support.

Anonymous said...

I realize this is not a boys board but to respond regarding CFC Boys DA being a high level option:

Rank Atlantic - U-18/19 East Division GP W L T GF GA GD Pts/GP
2 Union U-18/19 15 10 2 3 33 44 15 29 2.2
9 Continental FC DELCO U-18/19 14 9 2 11 17 39 -22 0.7857
Rank Atlantic - U-16/17 East Division GP W L T Pts GF GA GD Pts/GP
2 Philadelphia Union U-16/17 16 9 2 5 32 29 14 15 2
11 Continental FC DELCO U-16/17 16 2 13 1 7 17 54 -37 0.4375
Rank Atlantic - U-15 East Division GP W L T Pts GF GA GD Pts/GP
2 Philadelphia Union U-15[PLAYOFFS 6] 14 10 1 3 33 42 18 24 2.3571
11 Continental FC DELCO U-15 14 2 11 1 7 13 46-33 0.5

Anonymous said...

Good point made about CFC boys DA being so close to an MLS DA. But then again, it was only a year ago we had three ECNL teams, PF, CFC and FC Bucks 45 minutes from each other. One of the reasons I think it would be a win-win for PAC to go the ECNL route is that they would be separated from the others, yet be able to draw from Lancaster, Harrisburg, York counties and even Reading Berks area.
As far as the DA taking shape so quickly, I am assuming you just mean the forming of the teams and leagues? Because in overall, the equality structure is worse than any of the ECNL leagues were.

Anonymous said...

Some more results from ECNL MARCH 4th

1 Match Fit Academy U17
1 FC Bucks ECNL U17


2 PDA ECNL U17
1 Continental FC U17

Anonymous said...

9:00 yes i was referencing how GDA was up and running so quickly. at the time she was told to move, GDA was not even on the horizon. ECNL and USSF were happily married at the time. Then, the founding ECNL commissioner left for MLS.

Anonymous said...

btw - ECNL started in 2009. The conferences were just as fractured when it started. Some teams were very good and some not so good. It's still that way.

Anonymous said...

Some more lists for you guys. I think PAC, CSA, NYSC, LISC should be replaced and join the ECNL like VDA already did. FC Bucks, SJEB, SUSA and McLean should replace them. Would be a much better, I think.

PAE -USDA
37.78 PENN FUSION SA
-2.09 PENNSYLVANIA CLASSICS ACADEMY 35.69

PAE - non USDA Top 5
37.29 COUNCIL ROCK UNITED SA PA FC BUCKS ECNL
-0.32 UNITED FC 1776 XTREME 36.97
-0.89 READING RAGE SC MORGAN 36.40
-1.12 LEHIGH VALLEY UNITED BLACK 36.17
-1.13 CONTINENTAL FC ECNL 36.16


NJ - USDA
37.32 SKY BLUE PDA
-3.13 CEDAR STARS ACADEMY MONMOUTH 34.19

NJ - non USDA Top 5
37.42 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY ECNL
-0.52 MATCH FIT ACADEMY FC ECNL 36.90
-0.59 SJEB RUSH ACADEMY 36.83
-1.01 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY SOUTH 36.41
-1.07 NJ ELITE WATCHUNG HILLS FLAMES 36.35


NYE - USDA
36.33 NEW YORK CITY FC
-0.03 FC FURY NY 36.30
-2.97 SKY BLUE NYSC 33.36
-4.34 LONG ISLAND SC 31.99

NYE - non USDA Top 5
37.42 SUSA FC NPL
-0.83 WORLD CLASS FC ECNL 36.59
-1.08 ALBERTSON SC ECNL 36.34
-1.29 SUSA FC ELITE 36.13
-1.42 EAST MEADOW SC ECNL 36.00


VA - USDA
37.10 FC VIRGINIA
-0.83 WASHINGTON SPIRIT ACADEMY VIRGINIA 36.27
-1.38 WASHINGTON SPIRIT ACADEMY BALTIMORE ARMOUR DA 35.72
-3.31 VIRGINIA DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY 33.79

VA - non USDA Top 5
38.94 MCLEAN YS ECNL
-1.78 RICHMOND UNITED SC VA ECNL 37.16
-2.78 VIRGINIA LEGACY SC CCL ELITE 36.16
-2.83 BEACH FC VA RED 36.11
-2.93 BRADDOCK ROAD YOUTH CLUB ELITE ACADEMY 36.01

Anonymous said...

??? why not give the new clubs a chance pal?
Plus, rumor already out that PAC may move out...

Anonymous said...

Give them a chance for what? There are other clubs that have a deeper player pool that would attract players more. Just how it is. Teams that are 2 to 4 goals behind is not good for anyone. It's not rocket science to see these teams don't belong.

Just to recap you can see by my previous they don't have 3 quality teams and it benefits no one. One could make the argument they never did and it looks like new players didn't come to them.

Cedar Stars Academy - Monmouth 48 12 33 3 -84
Sky Blue - NYSC 39 10 24 5 -33
PA Classics 39 8 27 4 -72
Long Island SC 37 5 31 1 -112

Anonymous said...

12:01 yes, but the coaches on a few of those are "top big to fail" to coin the 2008 economic avalanche phrase.

Anonymous said...

maybe those teams opt into ECNL for a few years, build up their teams and then get the emblem back and also have feeder squads for them. so will ECNL become the league of relegation?

Anonymous said...

11:45 I think that might be the most accurate list you have posted in a while.
As far as PAC, I think a lot of their problem lies in talent evaluation during tryouts. One of their coaches actually told two different parents that players should wear colors that should stand out during tryouts, and in this way they will be easier to notice. They turned away three or four players that would have really helped their cause, especially in regards to transition from defense to offense. Not sure how much it would have helped that -72, but these players did not look like they were dipping their toe in hot water when going for a 50/50 ball either. PAC becoming an ECNL team would be a win-win for all involved.

Anonymous said...

3/6 - 12:38 - Ballyhoo?? who is Ballyhoo? sounds like a nightclub in Vegas.

Anonymous said...

12:27 i take it you are a PAC member?
or were you one of those turned away or wearing flashing lights on their attire at try-outs?

Anonymous said...

i find it astounding that PAC will throw in the towel on GDA after only 1 season. VDA i understand a little more. too many GDA immediately around it. Not the case with PAC. and i know some kids that left very good clubs for it even those that went GDA. how does that work out?

Anonymous said...

12:37 maybe in PAC's case not that much talent to make a difference? We are talking Albertson, WorldClass, PDA & FC Virginia these clubs didn't have a problem with talent prior to ECNL, the ECNL just made them even better. I was shocked that clubs like MatchFit, Mclean, Bucks and Delco didn't go DA year one. I doubt they would have been turned away. Nothing against PAC. SJEB, SUSA merged with other clubs and their top teams are very good.

I like the idea of having the ECNL as the relegation league for clubs and the NL for the individual teams. Maybe an old school PAGS vs JAGS championship style event at the end National League Champs vs ECNL champs at oneof the USDA events..

Anonymous said...

12:27, first poster
That sounds like sheer bs, sorry. Wear different colors to stand out? wtf
If their skill doesn't stand oout, then what?
Don't most clubs give you tryout jerseys?

Anonymous said...

People come on... PAC isn’t leaving the DA or being asked to. They’ve played a whole one season so far and sit in the middle of the division. Ask any PAC parent, the biggest issue is the non stop revolving roster that doesn’t allow them to develop any chemistry. There are a handful (not just 1 or 2) of 01’s every game that move between U17 and U19. That’s something the coaches have to sort out.

12:27 That is one of the stupidest thing I’ve ever read on here and that’s saying a lot.

Anonymous said...

1:03 yes they do wear tryout shirts like anywhere else. Maybe it was cartwheels or backflips they were encouraged to do!

Anonymous said...

@1:04, I tend to agree with you.
So what will coaches do to deal with this?
Certainly going forward all the 01s move up and join the 00s for the oldest age GDA. Does that flatten it out?

Anonymous said...

Worse case the 02’s are the ones to move back and forth next year. Best case, they fill the U19 roster so both teams can actually develop chemistry. The parents have seen games when the roster has had minimal change and what a huge difference it makes in movement and in passing game.

Anonymous said...

12:52 i know at 2 of those clubs listed that did apply and didn't get accepted for GDA first year. at least one of which is barely holding onto it's ECNL.

Anonymous said...

1:04 you know other GDA's move kids up for games too? it's supposed to happen. you are complaining about it happening. don't they practice without the kids being moved? maybe they need the special shirts referenced above so the coach can see them.

Anonymous said...

Other teams move a player, maybe 2 up for occasional games for the challenge because they are a top player. PAC moves a handful of players back and forth simply to give opportunities to the 01’s who should be playing U17 and in most cases want to be.

Anonymous said...

i understand. can be tough, but don't they appreciate the challenge of being moved up? the game is even faster vs some older teams. it will help in their development overall if you look at the big picture vs the immediate.

Anonymous said...

Full USDA is for the Club not just the 01 team.
Regardless 4 win, 3 wins and 1 win combined with a -72 goal differential doesn't make the USDA look good.

PA Classics U-15 4 8 1 -28
PA Classics U-16/17 3 8 2 -13
PA Classics U-18/19 1 11 1 -31

Anonymous said...

2:40 here 1 more question. If you are a true soccer guy you know promotion/relegation is much needed. Easy teams are no good for development.

Anonymous said...

When the U16/17/18/19 consist of a revolving wheel of its 2001 players it makes it more difficult on those teams, no?

For those who love to post those numbers, keep in mind PAC is not located beside populated areas such as Philly, NY or DC like PF, PDA and FCV. It is the best option for those in Central PA who don’t have the time or desire to travel 90-120 minutes, each way, to trainings 4 times each week. Time flies if you haven’t noticed. Not everyone wants to spend so much of it in a car.

Regards,

-15

Anonymous said...

Funny 1:04 I was thinking the same thing when the PAC DOC mentioned it to the parents. One parent posted a pic of Ronald McDonald playing soccer in response to the remark and captioned "would this do it"? Have to admit, it was a great retort.
2:01 The challenge of being moved up is awesome when you can be part of the challenge. Chasing a ball and never getting there has little impact on your soccer ability, to increase ability the ball does need to be at your feet once in a while. As Charlie Brown once said, " if you learn more by losing, I'd be the smartest person in the world". Those teams at the bottom of the league must be soccer geniuses by now.

Anonymous said...

3:09 what is -15? lbs lost recently. congrats.

3:19 hilarious. but if VDA cashes out from the table and they may have had more success than PAC and others, wonder what will happen to the others.

seems like only Marty McFly can fix US Soccer going into the future, returning and applying the fix.

Anonymous said...

Thought I would sign off with a number for number guy. I’m like PAC, a work in progress. 15 lbs and watch out! No bright clothes or flashing lights needed for this guy!

Anonymous said...

3;40 hahaha - gotta find a Deloren and a flux capacitor first. what am i saying? it's club soccer of course some parent has this in their garage next to their Range Rover, Viper and Tesla.

Anonymous said...

get them the flux capacitor for their flashing shirts. maybe we have solved the PAC problem, battery packs or solar power. they're probably tethered to the extension cords and can't get to the ball. next season.

Anonymous said...

3:44 lost a PAC of pounds did ya. cool.

Anonymous said...

I can't believe it's come down to Marty McFly as our only hope. Oh well, it was either him or Caitlyn Jenner. Both managed incredible changes in a 30 year time frame.

Anonymous said...

3:09 That is my point.
1. PAC Doesn't have a huge player pool on the Girls side.
2. They are not located outside lareg populated area.
3. Their teams played in PAGS prior to USDA
4. Just becasue it's the best option for central PA doesn't mean it should be a USDA.
5. Why don't you like my numbers? They don't lie - they are what they are.

Nice club just not a USDA on the girls side.


Anonymous said...

yes, very nice club. but, hypothetically, what do you think the evaluators were thinking when they chose PAC over other clubs (with teams) for GDA? did they think baseball; build it and they will come? if they give up/or have to give up emblem, that sticks to the club soccer history.

Anonymous said...

@ 4:54 Relax man what’s the freakin obsession? Not a bad team at all in fact there are some very good players on that team. They could use a few more but that’s why teams have tryouts every year. Try not to stress so much. I’m sure your kid is on PF DA playing 90 minutes every game with several D1 offers so just be grateful.

Anonymous said...

5:32 I'm sure it helped that they have a boys DA and a USMNT star!
The club teams played in PAGS they made no attempt to play top teams, that should have been a red flag. This is no black eye for the club,if the player pool isn't there it isn't there, like the previous poster said "keep in mind PAC is not located beside populated areas such as Philly, NY or DC like PF, PDA and FCV". There is a reason they played in PAGS.

Again no knock on the club or kids, but when I think "USA DA" - I think ECNL, National League, Regional Leagues not PAGS, sorry.

Anonymous said...

5:39 I should relax? Why i haven't said anything bad. I posted my lists like I always do and I am a soccer fan so promotion/relegation is part of the culture - I'm not saying anything crazy. Clubs that don't have a player pool should be part of the USA DA - PAC isn't the only club with a few nice players. You play in top league you will be put under the microscope, aren't we about giving every one a chance?

PS. Where my kid plays has nothing to do with this, I'm talking about PAC there 8 wins (3 teams) and -72 goal differential (3 teams). How is this good for USA soccer when they don't have the player pool?

Anonymous said...

5:43 i get that. but you can't give away emblems because of one player; albeit a great player, but still. that's the tail wagging the dog. other ECNL clubs applied and were denied.

Anonymous said...

It is the “Development” Academy. Try to give it some time. Good luck to all teams this season. Only a month away from Greensboro!

Anonymous said...

What other girls program deserves a DA in the PA area? LVU, Ukrainians have strong younger age groups? PAC is a big club with great facilities and staff. Its the whole program, not just 01s. DA starting at U13 this year.

Anonymous said...

With the PL merger it just got bigger and with even more facilities and staff.

Anonymous said...

6:16 - you are forgetting about Western PA. Successful clubs out there with good facilities too certainly more deserving of a GDA over PAC.

Anonymous said...

Maybe a western PA club will get a nod next year. If not DA I could see ECNL.

Northern VA was was too diluted. 3 DA club’s within a hour of each other. Not to mention the ECNL clubs near by. Same is happening with NJ/NY area. The next club to leave DA will come from that area.

Anonymous said...

I agree LISC would be my guess.

GP 14
GF 19
GA 67 (ouch)
GD -48

Anonymous said...

Cedar Stars Academy

GP 16
GF 16
GA 43
GD -27

Anonymous said...

6:25 The addition of Penn Legacy simply added some players to the PAC mix and really none of real impact, which is what PAC really is in dire need of. PAC is already short of qualified coaches, especially on the girls side, and nothing was improved by adding the Penn Legacy coaching staff. When Penn Legacy issued its equal playing time for all philosophy two years ago, every coach with any competitive nature left along with the players. PAC has three really good to excellent coaches and two of those are on the boys side. Having great facilities is awesome and all that, but its just like a nice car that is useless when nobody knows how to drive.
I think 7:29 is correct about the next loss coming out of the NY/NJ area. I will admit I was totally wrong in thinking that Continental FC would be a big winner by PF going DA. I thought more parent and players would head there to stay within the ECNL.

Anonymous said...

Would Rage merge with PAC or are they too far from one another?

Anonymous said...

Reading back a bit to 3/5. Is CS going to stay on yet again as coach of that team? Good or not... 6 years with the same youth coach??

Anonymous said...

8:06 That's a fair question and there are Lancaster County players on Rage teams. Plus adding Rage's 01's to PAC's 01's would be interesting, But your correct in assuming that they are simply to far apart. Rage seems to have the same issue's many PAC teams have, which is having a lack of impactful players at multiple age groups. Two years back, Continental had looked into the prospect of taking over FC Revolution and possibly Rage United, but it was just an exploratory check to see if it was viable. Not sure what value it would have brought to CFC if a deal had been made.
8:30 CS is known as one of the best practice coaches in youth soccer, so he will of course move up with his 01's and TM will take over the 02/03 group. Changing coaches at this point would be like throwing the baby out with the bath water.

Anonymous said...

9:19pm

CS is known as one of the best practice coaches in youth soccer????? He isn't even one of the better coaches in Chester County, heck, he isn't even in the Top 10 coaches at PF.

Anonymous said...

Rage and FC Rev hate each other...never merger there. Not enough talent in Berks County for two clubs. Lots of garbage teams, pay to play kids.

Anonymous said...

6 years??? Does the club not have enough DA worthy coaches?

Anonymous said...

Not sure Rage has more than one decent team and that team must win a lot but...against who?

Anonymous said...

9:28 - ahhh. hyperbole and the overuse of the question mark.
and i also happen to disagree with your statements.

Anonymous said...

7:29 pittsburgh riverhounds' club is in the ECNL, now.

Anonymous said...

7:39 i am thinking empire GDA may be relegated.

Anonymous said...

didn't a few of the Continental coaches go to Rage? i thought there was some affiliation still. i recall when looking at Continental a few yrs ago, they were affiliated. is that not the case anymore?

Anonymous said...

hey, nightbird here. just getting power back. missed alot it seems. is this a PA blog now? How about MD getting another DA besides Wash Spirit? Some Bethesda kids play for Spirit maybe something in Cecil County? Or would that compete with PAC and PF?

Anonymous said...

Lost track and don't want to look it up...but whoever mentioned the playing up in GDA as positive....this is true but only reason PAC do is bc they only have 9 rostered on official U18/19, they don't have a choice.
They didn't allow waivers to some of the best girls who wanted to finish their last year of HS so they lost many good players for their oldest DA.
And to whoever mentioned the PAC doc...I don't get that convo?
Is he supsedly the one who said to wear clothing that attracted attention?

Anonymous said...

FYI, Rage 01s can compete with any of the top teams around, I woouldn't twhrow them under the bus.
Considering their club, they've done a good job, why send my daughter to PAC?

Anonymous said...

Or are they a big fish in a small pond?

Anonymous said...

Either way...they get in top showcases and perform well in top brackets.

Anonymous said...

Are they in the top bracket at Jeff Cup?

Anonymous said...

2nd
There was a "s" on brackets in my post.
Ik you're trying to minimize them but I'll keep playing...

Anonymous said...

Rage
YouthSoccerRankings breakdown
Big Fish in a small pond 7:03.
I would say average team going by the results.
I know my lists aren't popular.

Vs teams they should tie or are underdog (36+)
7 games played with -3 GD
Won 2, Tied 3, Lost 2

Vs teams that are a 35 so Rage would be favorite by 1 goal
20 games played which should translate to a +20 GD
Won 13, Tied 5, Lost 2, GD +21

Vs teams that are a 34 so Rage would be favorite by 2 goals
9 games played which should translatet o a +18 GD
Won 7, Tied 1, Lost 1, GD +13

Vs teams that are under 33 so Rage would be favorite by 3+ goals
10 games played which should translatet o a +30 GD
Won 9, Tied 0, Lost 1, GD +51

Anonymous said...

Good facts...I'll say it again...girls are in top showcases and getting the visibility. All that matters.

Anonymous said...

Just to compare to FC Bucks - the club everyone forgets about.
Their 01 team Vs teams they should tie or are underdog (37+)
15 games played with -11 GD (Won 4, Tied 2, Lost 9)
This is 15 games vs teams Rage has never played against (top flight teams)

However vs Vs teams that are a 36 so Bucks would be favorite by 1 goal
14 games played which should translate to a +14 GD
Won 9, Tied 3, Lost 2, GD +14 compared to Rage and the same level teams Bucks is superior.

Buck only played 3 games vs teams under 36 and won all 3 by a +6 GD.

just trying to give you some context not beating upon teams and clubs just keeping it real. PAC should be replaced as a USDA club with FC Bucks or the Union if they want a piece of Girls soccer cash cow.

just for the record I'm talking clubs, teams and results not college placement.

Anonymous said...

9:18 here sorry 9;18 didn't see your post - you really believe being in top flights is what gets kids into school? Wow

12:28 I provide my lists and validate claims with them, back in the day when this was a NJ board - many thought I was with Crush, Wildcats, MF or a PDA shill now posters think I'm with PF. Got love what just posting facts (results) does and how defensive people get.

Anonymous said...

9:45 Rage is in the top bracket again in Las Vegas next weekend (as they were last year) and the 2nd at Jeff the following weekend. So if that sounds like trying to be the big fish in the small pond, so be it. I do think Berks County overall is struggling in regards to overall soccer talent playing inside its own county, but that's another issue.
9:36 Not sure if the term "garbage teams" is the right term to use either. Even rec team players are still soccer players and love the game. Would you use that term to those girls or parents face? Somehow I doubt it.
12:00 Both the DOC for Rage and the former DOC for Continental were very good friends, so a few years ago conversations were going back and forth, but obviously nothing became of it. The narcissist that runs FC Revolution will never merge with any club and is now coaching 8 of his teams in order to not have to pay coaches. In all of youth soccer, that might be the strangest situation I have ever seen. Worst part being that 8 years ago, it was one of the clubs on the rise in our area, with a lot of talent in its ranks.
9:38 Posted a good question about PF having enough DA worthy coaches? I don't think this is a PF or a DA issue, but an issue for almost all clubs (including Rage). The real question is, how does US Soccer fix that issue? Or is it and will always be just the way it is?
Rage Parent

Anonymous said...

oh. 9:38 - disgruntled. don't think you are in a position to even judge who is or isn't a "DA worthy" coach.
how many clubs have your kids been in already?

Anonymous said...

9:27 I love your stat posts.
Perhaps you should stick to just that.
All the other 9:18 is saying that placing in top brackets is important and gets the college coaches on sidelines.
Pretty sure poster didn't say that's the only thing that gets them into schools.
But you did mention NJ so that explains much...

Anonymous said...

There is a plenty good enough player pool in the Lancaster reasonable drive region to be competitive. How many of the PF impact 03, 01/02 and 99/00 kids were PAC or PL players when younger? Quite few actually including some of the most impactful kids on the DA teams. The problem is they didn't care about the girls program so the best left and now they will have to spend some time repair the damage and building credibility. Problem is that with Rush support Penn FC may now hit them from the other side. MH isn't good or charismatic enough to serve as an adequate pied piper. They need to pull in some real coaching talent and sell it strong to build at this point.

Anonymous said...

Ok let's keep going with the PA talk...
MH is not the issue, he's a good guy. The DOC SK has very tight reins on all happenings in that club.
Penn FC has clearly expressed their desire to have a DA...let's see what happens

JS

Anonymous said...

What is Penn FC? Never heard of them.

Anonymous said...

Found this...
https://www.pennfc.com/about

Rush soccer powerhouse involved...uh oh

Anonymous said...

Most of the Penn FC coaches are from LDC. Either they merged or Penn FC acquired them. Even with the Rush brand and $ it's going to take a few years to turn that program into DA level.

Anonymous said...

11:20 sure. but how many kids aren't from that area? there is a reason kids from that area left to go to PF and then stayed.

how many kids from PF were ODP kids even from other states? i think that's the better measurement. that's the common link i see from kids i know that were in ODP. coaches included in both boys and girls programs.

Anonymous said...

continuing and i'm not a PF parent, but i see that as the common thread even with older teams and those no longer playing.

Anonymous said...

10:00 Not sure what the hell you are talking about? I never judged any coach and personally think PF has damn good coaches (including CS). Both Classics DOC and President are also great people and from what I'm told, very good coaches. My kids haven't played for them, so I can only go by what I hear. Personally, I did not think my daughter was skilled enough for DA play and secondly, she wanted to play high school ball. I simply stated there isn't enough of these kinds of coaches for all the clubs versus the amount of money invested. I think I even stated that my daughters own club struggles with coaching needs, since with many clubs at lower youth levels, the need to win over development becomes an issue.
Not that I need to tell you anything, but since you asked, my daughter has played 3 years at her first club (U8-U11, 3 years at her second club (U12-U15) and two years under her present coach and final coach at Rage (birth year change). Hope that helps if your keeping a time line. In each case, every move was made for the coach that was there and not for the club name on the jersey.
You seem like you have a grudge against either EDP teams or Rage or me personally, so it obviously goes much deeper than my last post. Lastly, how can I be disgruntled? I posted two weeks ago that my daughter received her first D1 offer as a sophomore and now two more D1 schools have enter the mix. Hopefully your daughter or players are receiving the same amount of attention or possibly even more if they are DA or ECNL. All of us on here have invested a tremendous amount of time and money, with both parent and player making tremendous sacrifices to do this. What I would suggest 10:00, is to take a deep breath and enjoy whatever it is your doing, either as a coach or as a dad watching your daughter play and not worry too much about my daughter. She's enjoying playing on a lower level team and we'll be okay.
Rage Parent

Anonymous said...

Well said 12:42

And you do realize there are people only here to stir the pot and are probably the most miserable people on this earth right?
They read in between the lines to either get offended or to just start shit about the possible great experience your daughter is having but not theirs...



Anonymous said...

Thanks 12:56 I do think that most of the parents on this blog try to be informative and discuss options that we have as parents and our daughters may have as players. At the same time, most also know how to poke fun at a teams misfortune at a tournament, and keep it in a competitive nature. Singling out the team, but not the player. All of us as a group are so heavily invested, who wouldn't root for the others kid to do well? As you said, miserable people.

Anonymous said...

12:42 - 10:00 here. typo. my bad
post was meant for 9:28 3/7 the coaches. not 9:38 (you).

do agree that some are just trolling. good luck with your team.

Anonymous said...

12:09 - ODP, hmm. interesting connection. wonder if ODP will make a comeback. was a great program. most of the high level players through out the country were in it at some time it seems.

Anonymous said...

Not sure what the ODP connection is that several of you are citing. The kids played ODP? Really kids are going to leave a great situation at PL or PAC because of ODP? Bottom line if PL/PAC was providing what the best kids needed then then I think they would have stayed. Obviously these kids and their families felt they would better be served elsewhere. Wonder if they think that was true after what is probably 10,000 miles plus on their cars.

Anonymous said...

12:42 Mr list here - question in regards to offer (generally speaking). I ask because my kid also has 3 schools that are interested - all 3 contacted the coach and she has called all 3 to speak with the coach. No offers made she said they told her some nice things and they are going to continue watching her play. The offer made was specific $$$ if accepted to school or was it a simple I want you to play for my program if accepted to the school? Did they tell her it was a verbal offer how was it phrased? Also, how many months/days went by from initial contact to offer? Yes I do venture outside of lists - my lists have always been to validate a claim or blow it up and I use YouthSoccerRankings it is a very good tool and adds a little fun to our kid's games knowing the spread before they play :)

12:56 I think some people think they know who is posting and the posts are directed at them - I agree.

2:30 If my kid played at PAC prior to USDA - I would have had to do ODP to supplement since PAGS wasn't helping getting into top flights so i would have moved to PF if she was offered a spot same thing. Play ODP, go to Virgina then New Jersey the playoffs then nationals same as ECNL drive to MA, CT, NY and NJ stay overnight for at least 3 weekends, play in 3 ECNL events, playoffs and nationals. PAC is in a good place being in the USDA, great for the club and the kids. However, I still believe the USDA needs to relegate clubs that don't have the draw, dropping games by 2 to 3 goals every time benefits no one, people always say yes teams get better and adjust to the speed of play but nobody ever talks about the teams that are not playing a team that can push them we forget them all the time.


Anonymous said...

No I don't think that's what people mean. I think PF coaches coached some of the ODP teams. Kids playing at PL and PAC often did ODP as a supplement. Are you implying that the PF coaches recruited kids to PF and away from PL/PAC through ODP?

Anonymous said...

3:02 Mr. List is a great name for this board!!Not quite like Grammar Nazi, but close.
12:42 here. As a sophomore, the offer can only be verbal and in truth carries little weight on either side. Basically it sort of favors the college, because other schools will take that player off their list (the aggressive ones will not). My own daughters experience was that she received an offer after spending a long day at the school with the coaches on her first time at the school. Coach was extremely classy about everything and followed every regulation right down to us paying for our own pizza at dinner. He did tell her to be absolutely sure before she said yes to his offer, and has given her time to do so. Since then two other schools have contacted her coach and asked for the same type of visits, without needing to attend any ID camp. So as I'm sure with your daughter, I do not want mine to rush into a decision.
What i have found is that as a parent, we find discussing the scholarship amount to be uncomfortable. But as a parent that's been through this before, I now know that the college coaches really do not have a problem discussing money. In my one older kids case, it took three separate negotiations sessions until we got what we felt was needed. I loved what the last college coach told us as we were leaving. "If you can't handle rejection, you don't belong in this business".
I know I recently posted about how much we have all invested in our kids for this quest and of course I want her to do well. I can also honestly say that i would be fine if my daughter decided to go to a D3 college close to home or if she chose some kind of accelerated nursing program. Or even married someone from NJ. The moments I have spent watching her on the field perform at her very best have been worth every cent spent and hour driven. She has been surrounded by nothing but goal oriented kids and could we ask for more than that?

Anonymous said...

2:30 probably not just ODP, but maybe the style, to coaching, who knows. kids seem to be traveling from all over and not just by PAC or PL to go there.
kids travel anymore for soccer. it's just the way it is. We travel nearly 2 hrs each way for our club, too which is in another state. why? because she loves it.

Anonymous said...

3;22 do they even have to recruit? i don't think so. i don't think that was being implied at all, but people read the tea leaves differently. maybe it is just kids who liked to play together knowing each other from ODP eventually wound up playing together. and even better if they play the same style already. half the battle as far as chemistry.

Anonymous said...

4:20 that’s a lot of miles. Is she your only child or at least only child still at home? My child loves soccer too and I love watching her play but I love my other children too. Travel like that isn’t an option for everyone. Also, I’d worry about school work. Grades have to remain a priority. The soccer part only lasts so long.

Anonymous said...

absolutely. gets her school work done on the ride back and forth. she's a good kid so we don't mind. just a bit of ire when we are running a little late. practice cancelled tonight. yipee.

Anonymous said...

@3/08 4pm
Nicely said.
Best of luck to all girls and your quest for your future, whatever league you're in, whatever division you're shooting for, and most importantly whatever career you're planning...

Anonymous said...

News release coming soon...a PAE GDA club attracting some new coaching staff.
Stay tuned....

Anonymous said...

PF...PAC?
I'm good at math

Anonymous said...

Could only be PAC. TM and CS are entrenched as DA coaches for their age groups. If you look at PAC DA boys, they change coaches sometimes twice in one year. One DA team had three different coaches in a calendar year as each one either found greener pastures or found DA coaching was to much like work.

Anonymous said...

PAC coaches are already listed.

Anonymous said...

6:59 why do you think I post lists and results? because I agree with you and that's a 100% given. How boring is it to talk about PAC and PF and back in the day MF and PDA? who really cares who's coaching the teams besides the players that play for the team or want to play for the team. Everybody on this board is about their kid and playing in college or we wouldn't be here. Well maybe if we were trying to recruit players like the 8:29 post.

Results and lists are about the team(s).

NPL Northeast Girls League 2017-2018

2 World Class FC 01 NPL
1 FSA FC 01 NPL

4 PDA North 01 NPL
0 East Meadow SC 01 NPL

0 PDA North 01 NPL
1 FC Bucks 01 NPL

1 Albertson Fury 01 NPL
2 East Meadow SC 01 NPL

Anonymous said...

8:29 - c'mon tell us. and what new coaching? adds or shifts (guys and girls)?

Anonymous said...

1126 may determine where kids go for try-outs. coaching is certainly part of the decisions where to play.

Anonymous said...

Rather see coaching news on here than lists. Lists are boring and irritating.

Anonymous said...

Why would someone not from your state care about coaching news?

Results and Lists are Region 1 driven.

I have a question for you 11:42 - let's say a player plays for club A commits to a D1 program verbally. Now player moves to Club B, we know club B is going to post her commitment, should club A remove the player from their marketing? Can both clubs market the same player? Is it false advertising that a club posts a commitment of a player no longer with the club? Is it false advertising if a club posts a commitment of a current player that had committed before they came to the club?

Anonymous said...

11:14 Having DA coaches listed means very little. My son played DA ball and it was our team that saw three different coaches that year. They are not under contract and forced to coach out the year.

Anonymous said...

1153 fair question about coaching and being out of state. we have kids from other states playing at our DA club and coaching is certainly part of the attraction.

Anonymous said...

@11:53 why not have both list? all of them take credit when a kid goes pro (girl or guy)or may get a call up. who cares as long as it's positive promotion. all of them were part of the mix.

Anonymous said...

PF Coaching assignments are announced today. I guess that is the news. Sure they are adding to the DA staff. This is supposed to be posted today.

Anonymous said...

Maybe this will be the year CS gives up his 01 team!

Anonymous said...

why?

Anonymous said...

PF coaching announcements now Monday. CS probably decided he couldn’t go through with it.

Anonymous said...

are you sitting by the batphone waiting commissioner gordon? how are you getting this intel so quickly?

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