Wednesday, October 2, 2013

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Anonymous said...

Where did NJX play this weekend?

Anonymous said...

EDP Cup

Anonymous said...

NJX should not

Anonymous said...

Best team in the nation,can't beat 11 poor little rich girls from Morris co. Lmfao

Anonymous said...

12:18
THANKS FOR POINTING OUT MY TYPO.
AFTER CHECKING OUT YOUR POST ONCE MORE I REALIZED YOU MUST BE AN ENGLISH TEACHER.

Anonymous said...

???

Anonymous said...

Brick is on a winning streak!
I've been telling them for months
to dress casual and finally they threw off their ties. lol
Just kidding gang
Congratulations for the EDP win.

Anonymous said...

That's actually a pretty funny reference. Congrats to all the teams who played well this past weekend.

Anonymous said...

Copa is stronger than GFA fact! And better than brick. Fact! This weekend will not happen again. We are out there to win now

Anonymous said...

Copa parents are the worst, at the tournament too, arrogant and bitter. In that aspect copa is number one for sure. And delusional.

Anonymous said...

Don't you have to consistently have to beat tens to claim you are better? Must be nice to live in la-la land. If you lose it's not about winning yet that's what the claims were not that they were confident they would win but the games would be easy which they were right except it was easy for the other teams to win vs Copa as the prediction of 0-3 almost came true as they finished 0-2-1. They have now been in the top flights of Rider Cup & EDP Cup & did poorly against those teams generally in the top flights & they even lost to Freehold who couldn't make the finals in the 2nd flight. Please just be quiet & go away as you look like a total joke now.

Anonymous said...

Meant beat teams.

Anonymous said...

Copa set the record straight against Freehold the week after Rider Cup when it actually mattered... do your research before you start blowing the FH horn again.

Anonymous said...

Brick are only better this year because of the new players from Force. Last year they won nothing and it was very clear that other teams were catching them up or surpassing them.

Funny how an influx of talent that Brick did not develop can change everything and make them a top team again. They were in a bad decline last year. Couldn't even win 2nd flight at FC Stars this season... yet now are best team around?

Come on people. Any given day, any given weekend.

Anonymous said...

look at who you beat and tied,so stop blowing your horn, still 2nd tier

Anonymous said...

Not a Brick parent but 2nd flight at Stars was very good competition. FC Stars is the #1 rated girls tournament of the year.

Anonymous said...

Funny how people are so concerned with what Brick does. If they don't win playing in a top flight they are done then when they win there has to be a reason. A team that has been at the top since intact inception & only plays top teams can't win for winning. Good for them for being able to sustain over the years dealing with the town stigma & players changing over the years. Some teams are good for a year or two them are gone but whether you appreciate it or not it is impressive to see them everytime people claim they are done rise again. Good luck to them the rest if the season.

Anonymous said...

NJ top 5:
PDA
Brick
SJEB
NJ Stallions
GFA
Next 5:
STA
Copa
NJ Crush
Real
Freehold/TRIC/NJX/NJ Rush

Just my opinion & you could make the argument Brick & SJEB could be ahead of PDA but without them playing each other anymore are to compare.

Anonymous said...

Copa copa copa!

Anonymous said...

This weekend we get real soccer back to nj pda vs MF the real #1 will be revealed

Anonymous said...

"This weekend we get real soccer back to nj pda vs MF the real #1 will be revealed "

LMAO! Keep dreaming. All that poorly spent money can't buy you the #1 title. Play some meaningful games some time. Neither team can beat Brick or SJEB now. So just stay in hiding.

Anonymous said...

"This weekend we get real soccer back to nj pda vs MF the real #1 will be revealed "

LMAO! Keep dreaming. All that poorly spent money can't buy you the #1 title. Play some meaningful games some time. Neither team can beat Brick or SJEB now. So just stay in hiding.

Anonymous said...

"Brick are only better this year because of the new players from Force. Last year they won nothing and it was very clear that other teams were catching them up or surpassing them.

Funny how an influx of talent that Brick did not develop can change everything and make them a top team again. They were in a bad decline last year. Couldn't even win 2nd flight at FC Stars this season... yet now are best team around?"

Yup, the biggest jackass award goes to you! Each and every year, all teams add and lose players, it's called sports moron. Last month it was "the girls Brick got aren't good enough to make a difference". Now, they're the only reason they are good again? Brick got the best players they could find and are benefitting from it. And these players parents were smart enough to choose the best TEAM and PROGRAM even though it's only a "lowly town team". Grow up and give credit where it's due. Enjoy paying your academy a ridiculous amount of money for nowhere near the same results and level of success.

Anonymous said...

If the parents were smart to come to Brick and a better program, then why bring all that baggage from the Force?

You posted when you were at the Force and brought all that negativity there and your doing that same thing at Brick.
Sure they (Brick) had gotten negative comments in the past just like all teams but now it is Brick that is in there sites.

Stop trying to steal your children's thunder, let them play soccer and enjoy the game. You can watch and support them, celebrate their wins,console their losses.
But your time is over!
Brick can be a good team,a respected team, if you just let them.

Anonymous said...

PDA and MF hide behind labels and are too afraid to damage their ecnl status because when they do and will fall to non-ecnl teams their status will be tarnished and the so called elite league will not have credibility and hurt their pay-roll.

Anonymous said...

Copa is in the top 3 in Nj. Now if you consider PDA and MF then these three are the best in NJ. If you thinking about making a move copa is the place to go. Teaching real soccer on a fantastic organization. In short time this team will show everybody the real quality. An unfortunate weekend doesn't change anything. We can beat brick or GFA or barons any day. Now is all about brick. Lucky they didn't play us. Soon we are going to play GFA in EDP league and you will see the real copa and all will be different. Barons will have a chance to meet you again all will be different. Copa is at top!

Anonymous said...

LOLOL!!! LMAO!!!

Choka Choka Choka!

Top 3? Maybe top 30...

Anonymous said...

"If the parents were smart to come to Brick and a better program, then why bring all that baggage from the Force?

You posted when you were at the Force and brought all that negativity there and your doing that same thing at Brick.
Sure they (Brick) had gotten negative comments in the past just like all teams but now it is Brick that is in there sites.

Stop trying to steal your children's thunder, let them play soccer and enjoy the game. You can watch and support them, celebrate their wins,console their losses.
But your time is over!
Brick can be a good team,a respected team, if you just let them."

You should have stopped drinking earlier. This post is completely nonsensical. But, so are most posts on here. No negativity here, just a happy, solid, winning team that is only getting better.

Anonymous said...

We has officially hit an all time low at this blog.Can we please rename the blog page silly soccer parents smack board. So when you come to read it you are given a heads up on what to expect.



Anonymous said...

Brick is definitely a strong team. However, based on what I saw during the EDP cup tournament, SJEB looked more technical and consistent. Brick's defense is the key. Offense, not so much. SJEB's all formations are great.

Copa should not be even mentioned when talking about these teams. They are at least one division lower team...

I think PDA Splash would have a hard time winning against Brick or SJEB, and even other top NJ teams.

That's the main reason why they don't participate since there is a pretty good chance of loosing.

Anonymous said...

If you knew anything at all about soccer, you would know that the way Copa played was nothing more then working towards perfection. Just moving along in the direction we want too.

Anonymous said...

I don't understand how some people play for MF. They are never in any Tourn. they were off the last few weekends other then a practice or 2... Some kids never see the field... Very stressful.. Parents wake up your killing your kids.

Anonymous said...

What has separated PDA from the Barons & Brick over the years has been depth where they could play with PDA & beat them from time to time but when they subbed it was a different game but now both teams have with Barons losing a dynamic player & still a top 2 team with a win over PDA in the Spring & Brick adding the Force players which I believe makes them the 2 top teams in NJ. Don't know about MF as they are new & there is no body of work so we have to leave them out of the conversation for now at least. My top 3:
Brick
SJEB
PDA

Anonymous said...

Probably makes more sense to group the teams since they can beat each other any other day.

Top teams in my opinion:

1. SJEB, BRICK, PDA
2. GFA, NJ FORCE CRUSH, STA
3. COPA,REAL,TRICK,NJ CRUSH STORM,FREEHOLD

etc...

Anonymous said...

Good list, but force crush folded and is gone.

Anonymous said...

There is no Force Crush and Tric lost to Jackson and Wall. So I wouldnt include them.

Anonymous said...

8:20, you know nothing. Force? You are a dope.

Anonymous said...

"Brick is definitely a strong team. However, based on what I saw during the EDP cup tournament, SJEB looked more technical and consistent."

Not sure how you figure that. One one the tournament giving up only one goal (which was a PK), and the other lost to GFA who Brick handily beat in the finals. And didn't SJEB just get shut out 1-0 by Brick in State Cup? Brick appears to have the edge now. But, to each his own.

Anonymous said...

Sorry, a mistake on my end.

So, what's your list. I was also trying to make a point...

Anonymous said...

Good list but I think STA is going down and are in the third group. Also thing that based on what I saw this weekend GFA is growing into a very competitive team and can be part of the first group any day. Maybe barons and brick have more experience. PDA I do not know as I saw them six months ago. MF has the status and nothing else so far . Maybe if PDA and MF come out and play we can judge otherwise is just status. U earn your credit on the pitch not on advertising.

Anonymous said...

There was alot of talent on the teams this weekend. One thing for sure is the depth of the rosters. The winning teams were very deep.No drop off what so ever!

Anonymous said...

Saw STA play this past weekend and they are not close to what they were in the past.

Anonymous said...

AMEN!

Anonymous said...

Amen!

Anonymous said...

Was talking to one of the STA parents and they have some new girls and 3 of their starters out due to injury.

Anonymous said...

Copa copa copa!!!!Best soccer in the state period.

Anonymous said...

9:03 thank you sta parent but please you know that the team is not top anymore. Still can be competitive with copa and freehold.

Anonymous said...

We are 3 months into the season. New player excuse is no longer in play. All teams have them.

Anonymous said...

"I was talking" hehehehehehehehe

Anonymous said...

"I was talking" hehehehehehehehe

Anonymous said...

Why do you insist on double entry every time? Have a little patience and your post will show up.

Anonymous said...

ok

Anonymous said...

ok

Anonymous said...

7:36 am
You had copied my complete post instead of time, first sentence in quotes.
You bore everyone with your tautological rant and you should be more laconic.
Your statement of three sentences two negative,one positive. That is a positive percentage of 30%...just like your win ratio.
I wish the girls well...you not so much!

Anonymous said...

GFA parent here, I agree with the list. We have some maturing to do and we know that high level experience is acquired overtime. There is still time to nurture it. The next 12 months are key to their tactical awareness. Great weekend.

Anonymous said...


U18 WNT - Roster

For all you nuts out there, only 1 player from NJ is in this pool................Oh yeah all of your daughters who play U14 soccer in NJ will get a D1 scholarship and play for the national team....Get a F'in life, stop living through your children.

Roster by Position:
GOALKEEPERS (3): Amanda Dennis (Slammers FC; Murrieta, Calif.), Mikayla Krzeczowski (Concorde Fire; Douglasville, Ga.), Ashley Orkus (Concorde Fire; Birmingham, Ala.)
DEFENDERS (8): Julie Doyle (San Diego Surf; Laguna Nigel, Calif.), Samantha Hiatt (Crossfire CD; Newcastle, Wash.), Courtney Jones (Ohio Elite; Carmel, Indiana), Julie Ann Mackin (Real Colorado; Castle Rock, Colo.), Tatumn Milazzo (Eclipse Select SC; Orland Park, Ill.), Taylor Mitchell (Real So Cal; Los Angeles, Calif.), Shea Moyer (FC Revolution; Wyomissing, Pa.), Mary Vignola (Ohio Elite; Terrace Park, Ohio)
MIDFIELDERS (6): Grace Bahr (Internationals SC; Broadview Heights, Ohio), Malia Berkely (Fairfield Optimist SC; Liberty Township, Ohio), Savannah DeMelo (Beach FC; Bellflower, Calif.), Jordan Harr (Dallas Sting; Sachse, Texas), Amanda Nhek (Braddock Road Youth Club; Gainesville, Va.), Tierna Davidson (De Anza Force; Menlo Park, Calif.)
FORWARDS (7): Jenna Bike (Connecticut FC; Trumbull, Conn.), Isabella Briede (Tophat SC; Alpharetta, Ga.), Eva Hurm (PDA; Upper Saddle River, N.J.), Mia Gyau (Bethesda Lions; Silver Spring, Md.), Madison Haley (Dallas Texans; Dallas Texas), Carly Malatskey (Slammers FC; Newport Coast, Calif.), Samantha Tran (De Anza Force; Tracy, Calif.)

Anonymous said...

Could be a couple.

Dont tell any girl not to dream, especially if she has been having a very good level of success.

Anonymous said...

Could be a couple.

Dont tell any girl not to dream, especially if she has been having a very good level of success.

Anonymous said...

I'm not so sure STA is in for a major decline as they still have some talented players & if they are missing a few key players it's not easy to overcome. Thought they played well this weekend in the game I saw them play & differently then the past teams which I'm sure had to do with the coaching change. I saw GFA play too & was impressed with their energy as they did get better since the last time I saw them so good for them as it's nice to see new teams on the rise & sounds like that at least have a couple realistic parents on their team so good luck to them as well.

Anonymous said...

At u14 and up all the top girls have left for ecnl,that's why town teams win state cup,do your homework and look at past years and now this year...it only gets worse more girls leave and the talent level really drops off so keep telling yourself you are the best in the state.....

Anonymous said...

1:14 to prove if your statement is right you should have ECNL teams ( PDA and match fit ) playing these teams and see if it is true that the best talent is there. The few times they came out of their bubble it didn't look that great for them. Maybe it is you that keep believe in the dream they are selling you.

Anonymous said...

1:11 you will see how much energy gfa will need to play Copa in few weeks at edp league. first we take care of them then work our way vs barons and Brick. Copa will beat them easy. one lucky game doesn't mean anything . we are the team on the rise in NJ either you like it or not.

Anonymous said...

Thanks force dad we all know brick would be no where with out your kid ,you told us 5 times in the last 2 days
Just be happy your on a great team and keep your mouth shut

Anonymous said...

1:57 you must have a really sad life and i feel sorry for you. I cannot imagine the way you felt this past weekend when all these teams were playing for something and you were already done by saturday afternoon. what a waste, and thinking of all the crap you have been posting last week ,must be difficult now.But i appreciate your consistency, instead to learn the lesson and shut up ,you keep going. wow

Anonymous said...

1:28, I'm not 1:14 but please take any major D1 program and look at their clubs before they were recruited and I would say 98%are from ECNL programs. Obviously I am not saying every ECNL girl will be playing D1, but if you want to go that route it gives you the best exposure to top programs (regardless of who your DoC is or how many connections he says he has)

Anonymous said...

"Hey, Kool-Aid!"

Anonymous said...

What a line of crock... ECNL is filled with players and silver spoons. There are many girls that have the ability to compete at the highest level but don't have the means to do so. ECNL is soccer crack.

Anonymous said...

All kids good enough get the ECNL free ride. Sure there are lots of kids who can be role players on ECNL teams, but any impact players get offered a free ride. No arguing that many kids not in the ECNL can make a team, but most will not be impact players if they join after u15

Anonymous said...

Did anyone else see the freehold coaches and parents crying to the EDP staff that the posted rules of the tournament were just not fair.

You lost so just deal with it.

Anonymous said...

Oh, come on mom. We are talking soccer.

Anonymous said...

If you kid is not the "impact player" (4-30) you are just wasting your money & paying for the "impact player's" training...

this "impact player" would have been found anyway even if not for ecnl...

ecnl is a biz 1st period!! and is over priced for the services, creating false hope, most ecnl players will not go to d1 and will play with non-ecnl players if they continue D2-3

Better off just doing college camps save the $$ for tuition.

Lets talk after u18 so you can tell me I'm right.

Anonymous said...

There are free rides in EDP also just ask Copa

Anonymous said...

Your kid should pick a college they want to go to and use soccer to help them get in. If they play bonus.

Not let soccer pick the school. Very few careers in woman's soccer after college.

Don't waste the college years chasing a dream that will not feed you.

Anonymous said...

9:52 yes many people saw that. Manager of freehold is the one starting all of that. She is known for being an arrogant complainer. If the team loses she always looking for something to complain about with the hope of changing things. Worst manager of a mediocre team.

Anonymous said...

Actually the coach was the one raising he**!

Anonymous said...

Maybe us should look outside of the ecnl for some players so we can compete better.

Anonymous said...

Copa copa copa!

Anonymous said...

You want to talk about different payments for different people try the Wildcats. The worst for that. Everybody pays something different.

Anonymous said...

Copa is going up in the ranking and all the so call Good going down! We are number 3 now!

Anonymous said...

Careful 1027. I was labeled a chauvinist for saying that last spring.
I agree completely though. Dreams and wishes are nice and worth fostering, but realistic views and seizing opportunities provided by soccer for the best long term success and happiness in life is the better goal.
Enjoy the competition and learn to work hard to achieve success - individual and as part of a team, but remember it is just a game and it is meant to be fun.

Anonymous said...

You stated that Freehold lost and that they have to deal with it. When did they lose?

Anonymous said...

Freehold lost the chance to make it to final. Period now ho away we are talking top teams here not rec. copa 3rd place! Going to be number one soon!

Anonymous said...

Copa copa copa!

Anonymous said...

U14 Girls Youth Soccer is the blog name. TOP is not included. JACKASS

Anonymous said...

10:19.

Your statistics are significantly off with regards to ECNL players at the u17 & u18 Recruitment class.

It is very easy to verify that there are many more than just 4 players per team that will play D1 this fall and next.

You can easily verify this . If you have survived The ECNL environment into your JR and Senior year then you have a real shot at making a D! program.

many choose the better D2 school who may be able to play for a D1 because of academic reasons.

And yes lots of D2 & players from Ecnl as well.

I can see from your post that your daughter does not play for an Ecnl team. Your bias is obvious.

Please take a look at the graduating SR listof matchfit and PDA. It is available. you will see the number of D1 schools that these girls plan to attend and play.


Anonymous said...

It doesnt matter how much of a "impact player" you are, nobody is getting free rides at this age, you know why, partially because a previous poster was correct, there are 30 other girls willing to take that spot and pay full price.(I admit it's still a business) I havent seen anyone at this age score a goal EVERY time they touch the ball. Poster talking about "silver spoons" have no idea what you are talking about. Your information is probably from this blog and thats it. Why dont you truly get informed before spouting that ECNL is elitest and only for the rich. Maybe your perception because of a certain teams in your state or because they are geographically not convenient its all the sudden elitest, but not all ECNL teams across the country, trust me on this one. Yes, I am an ECNL parent and I know from tryouts that all your top players and team captains were at our club trying out.(mayeb thats why so many are angered, just didnt make the cut?) The girls that made the team are all top girls from a 40+ mile radius. What does that mean? depth of top players. Players all committed and focused only on soccer, girls not waiting for basketball or lax season to come. How many times have you been in a close game and the coach makes a sub and you can hear the mummbling and see they eye rolling because the talent level just dropped, or pissed that you go out of your way to make a practice in the winter (if you even practice in the winter) and half the girls are no shows because of basketball. Exceptions to all, but that doesnt happen in ECNL.

Anonymous said...

ECNL would be out of the question for a player of limited means. The lower/middle income talent is not at try outs.

Anonymous said...

Every ECNL player I am aware of personally is from a family that can easily pay.

Anonymous said...

Re: Freehold

6-0 and 2-0 wins

vs

5-1 and 3-1 for NJX

Yeah, they got screwed

But the posted rules favored NJX, somehow.......

The difference here is EDP Cup doesnt give extra points for shutouts - and favors goals scored (4 per game max) over goals allowed.....

Had Freehold been on top of it they'd have known they were not advancing, as unfair as the rule appears. And could have avoided a scene.

Anonymous said...

NJX paren here and the rules wee extremely confusing. We didn't think we advanced and freehold had a valid point. Wish they would stick to head to head then goals against. Much easier.

Anonymous said...

Based on those numbers Freehold would be the team that would make sense to advance. The rules however state differently. Bad work by EDP. If you are flighting the teams properly then eliminate the 4 goal differential.

Anonymous said...

We have all lost or won games on bad calls, rules we didn't know or understand.
Just take it on the chin and move-on! Next week there will be another game, another tournament.

Anonymous said...

"easily pay"...
a bit of a stretch. most clubs not just ECNL clubs have payment plans.

Anonymous said...

I can't believe COPA is not going to Bethesda. I thought they would want to compete against some very strong competition other than Brick, Freehold, SJEB, NJX....Sorry, reality is you can't / don't win when you play outside of NJ. #3 give me a break. Got soccer is a joke.

Anonymous said...

Ecnl-
They are not developing players though. Right or wrong they simply are. For instance Penn Fusion 98. Considered a good team by most. At one point last season it was something like 38/42 goals were scored by 3 players from Classics and Ldc who had come over. With out those 3 where would they be? For me the decision is easy. It's an hour drive. At my daughters age group Penn Fusion and Continetal are not very good. So why pay the money and why travel. We will continue to beat those Ecnl teams every time we play them. Also if your daughter is on a really good nonEcnl team. And she is top 1 or 2 on the team. And you beat the Ecnl teams. College won't be an issue. I don't need 300 coaches of which more then 3/4 are d2 or d3 to stoke my ego with attention. She knows where she wants to go. She has their attention so what's the point. If you want coaches stroking your ego and you want to pay top dollar to get beat by parents paying $1000 bucks a year have at it. Know that in 5-6 years you'll be wondering what the heck it was all for. Or it will be sooner when you finally talk one of us into coming over and knocking little Mia off the team. If it's so awesome and so worth it wouldn't you keep your flapper shut out of fear your daughter will get knocked off. There will always be someone better.

Anonymous said...

Bethesda is not the only tournament out there guys. COPA!!!!

Anonymous said...

Is the new style of play from STA to have kids carry the ball the length of the pitch with their head down then turn it over, or allow the opposing team to control possession for the majority of the match while defending inside the 18?

I saw a lot of both this past weekend.

Anonymous said...

Copa doesn't compete with the NJ teams either as evident from this past weekend. They are more suited to play Wildcats, NJX, Freehold, TRIC, Stronghold & Rush instead of the top teams in NJ or any State for that matter. They are legends in their own minds & have be one the but of jokes just like Jackson used to be before they finally did everyone a favor & fold. Couldn't even come on here & face the music after a weekend that really showed that you don't belong yet.

Anonymous said...

WRONG, COPA belonged, in some cased dominated play. Final score is not always indicative of the play on the field.

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Anonymous said...

Of course the ECNL will give greater visibility. Anyone who thinks otherwise is just fooling themselves. Boys side, Academies do the same. Does it mean the the best players are in ECNL or Academy, no, but it does make your job of getting into school harder if you arent in one of these.

My kids dont play in the ECNL or Academy. Doesnt mean I dont know the truth.

Anonymous said...

okay I need some help on this one. In the event of tie between two teams, head-to-head results determine placement. They tied so we move on to the next one.

5. In the further event of a tie, goal differential determines placement, with up to plus-4 or minus-4 units awarded per game.
Freehold had a 6GD (4-0 & 2-0) and NJX had a 5GD (4-1 & 3-1) over the two games Freehold moves on to final.

This tie breaker does not come in to effect as Freehold had a better GD.
6. In the further event of a tie, accumulated goals scored with a limit of 4 per game determines
placement. NJX has 7 Freehold 6

Freehold should have been in the final based on the second tie breaker rule posted on the tournament web site.

Anonymous said...

If that is off their website and I cant imagine that it isnt. EDP made a mistake. However, if it was argued as previously mentioned, how could they NOT have figured this out?

Anonymous said...

ECNL gives greater visibility for colleges and national team without a doubt. Can your kid get similar visibility if she is ODP regional team and national league? I believe probably. Region 1 league though probably not equivalent to ECNL. Do you think that the best couple of kids on a top 2 non ECNL team in any state in R1 who does not do ODP can get the same exposure? Maybe if NPL and id2 selected but otherwise my guess is probably not.

Anonymous said...

Someone official/or at least knows what happened going to respond to 1:56? If poster is correct, then what happened is just terrible. And EDP Cup officials should be ashamed.

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Anonymous said...

Yes it was.
http://www.socceragency.net/maps/2014/1410_edpcup/homepage.htm

http://www.socceragency.net/maps/2014/1410_edpcup/rules.pdf

Page 5.

Anonymous said...

2:27 why change the subject. I have zero affiliation with Freehold and I am interested to know why this decision was made. I am sure it wan not anti Freehold and pro Holmdel so keep that out.

Anonymous said...

freehold freehold freehold!

Anonymous said...

agreed. We can all say it doesn't matter because it was bracket two or that it is just for bragging rights. But actually, this is interesting. And it is a topic of conversation where there is a right and a wrong answer and we aren't actually bashing anyone. (Except potentially EDP decision makers and I assume that they are adults so if they made a mistake, they should own it!)

But don't forget there are GS points - which actually do matter to the non NPL or ECNL teams as they effect future tournament placement.

And if EDP screwed up, how do you fix this? Freehold lost out on a tie breaker to NJX who then lost the final in a shootout. Do they replay the final? Wow....

Anonymous said...

nothing will be done. My question is simple..........if the rules are laid out as simply as the above poster then how is it possible that Freehold and Holmdel accepted the answer they were given by EDP. Holmdel, what was EDP's explanation of why you were advanced ahead of Freehold? Freehold, what did they tell you? Something has to be missing.

Anonymous said...

Is the answer just as easy as "freehold didn't know or were mistaken on the tie breakers". Hard to believe as most parents know ever permutation that needs to take place for them to get into the finals...(i.e. we have to win by 3 goals and they have to lose by two goals for us to go through)

Anonymous said...

Ok. I went back read the rules myself. Seems like the person who calculated the second tie breaker up above as 4-0 and 4-1 made a mistake. It should have been 4 points to both NJX and Freehold as NJX won 5-1 and therefore gets the full 4 points bringing both teams to 6 points in the second tie breaker.

So NJX won on the tie breaker on goals scored and the correct team went through.

Obviously, we can all debate the merit of the rules as established (pretty terrible i think we can all agree) but much more interesting when it seemed like maybe someone had screwed up and sent the wrong team through.

We could have conspiracy theoried this to death...

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The fact that the PF '98 team collected such strong players from LDC and Classics (60-90 miles away) says something about the draw of the ECNL. Who is to say that these players might not be even better if they had been developed at West Chester. It is a fallacy that great training can turn an un athletic kid into a great soccer player no matter how passionate. Likely these kids got adequate training, but athleticism and drive made them into the players they are today. Also they are still developing and obviously their parents thought that PF brought the best combination of training, competition and exposure for them. How much do you think they pay...

Anonymous said...

Okay now I've also looked up the rules.
I read it like this.
Does the 4 goal cap count in the tie breakers?
If not
Freehold won 6/0 & 2/0
NJX won 5/1 &3/1
Freehold is plus 8
NJX is plus 6

With the 4 goal cap its 6/5 Freehold.
The first tie breaker was goal differential

Good thing this is not an election ballet.



Anonymous said...

Speed and size get you to D1 not ECNL

Anonymous said...

Enough already. Read the friggin tiebreaker rule word for word. Yes up to a maximum of 4. They did it right. You are out.

Anonymous said...

I'm going to guess that the classics 98 PF girl who is on the u17 national team and just played in China or somewhere over there would not be better coming out of West Chester. Big difference between National pool and playing on the team. They did see a draw and a reason to drive almost 2 hrs one way. On the other hand wouldn't her spot on the u17 team get her almost any college she wants? And she didn't need or use PF to get that spot.

Anonymous said...

If you read it correctly Freehold won 4-0 & 2-0 & NJX won 5-1 & 3-1 which is 8 goals scored to 6 goals. I agree with you the 8 goals should count for Freehold then the goals against would have eliminated NJX. Tough to not give a goal & not make the finals but that has been happening at all the EDP tournaments over the last year where teams can play for a tie on Sunday & move on because they scored 1 more goal even though they also gave up goals. Need to know the rules & adjust to them as Freehold needed to win 3-0 not 2-0 but I'm sure the coaches had no idea.

Anonymous said...

FREEHOLD madness:

Here it is in a nutshell:

The 5th goal for NJX counts when determining goal differential, since it still only took them to +4.

5-1 and 3-1 equals a +6, not a +5. Freehold was also +6 (+4 for the 6-0 win and +2 for the 2-0 win)

Next tiebreak is goals scored.

NJX now gets just 4 for the 5-1 win, but gets 3 for the 3-1 win. That is 7.

Freehold gets 6, since they get just 4 for the 6-0 win and 2 for the 2-0 win.

7-6, favoring NJX

Screwy, but it is there in print.

Had Freehold won 4-2, which I dont favor as a score to 2-0, they would have been in final (with 8 goals total)



Then in the next

Anonymous said...

Freehold won 4-0 & 2-0 & NJX won 5-1 & 3-1 which is 8 goals scored to 6 goals. I agree with you the 8 goals should count for Freehold then the goals against would have eliminated NJX.

You have to adjust the NJX 5-1 game to 4-1 and it was goal difference so its FH 6 NJX 5

Anonymous said...

By the rules they got it right. rules not rocket science the + or - 4 is per game;
Could only imagine reaction on this blog complaining about running up the score, bad sportsmanship.

Anonymous said...

Just bad rules

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Anonymous said...

I think the NJX coaches and Freehold coaches should have a 3v2 match. They are evenly matched.

Anonymous said...

"Bad rules" based on what? Rules were same for all. Been the same in these MAPS tournaments forever. Maybe +/- 3 previously. Not a peep before.
If you made it to the 7th tie breaker than shut outs win. What is harder in this game -to prevent scoring or to score ?? Rhetorical question. Easier to defend then score. I like a rule that encourages attacking ahead of defending . And also seems haven't seen those arbitrary next day shootouts- that occur often with that other rule system.
start a petition to switch rule 6 with 7.

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Freehold also tied the runner up of the other bracket in the 3rd place match.

Anonymous said...

6:17

INCORRECT

It is NOT adjusted down to 4-1 since the goal DIFFERENTIAL limit is 4.

It IS adjusted with goal scored since the goal SCORED value for each game's limit is 4.

Differential - 4+2 for NJX
Differential - 4+2 for Freehold

Next tiebreak

Goals scored -

4+3 for NJX
4+2 for Freehold

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Anonymous said...

Are you speaking to miss manager? That should be her official tilt from now on bases on this whole affair.
Miss manager. I like that.

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Anonymous said...

They did play the best soccer

Anonymous said...

Best soccer? Lol go back to read the rules of the tournament because is to late to read about how to play soccer. Basketball season is coming soon

Anonymous said...

8:08 wow that is big...

Anonymous said...

8:08pm what are you getting at? How do you have this inside information? If true terrible what is going on there & everyone should leave the Club immediately.

Anonymous said...

Move on Freehold and pay attention next time. Or even better score more goals. I'm sure you didn't stop because you thought it was enough.

Anonymous said...

Let me explain to all of you about this NJX, Freehold controversy.

Once upon a time there was two soccer teams that went to the EDP Tournament in NJ.
Nobody had read the rules till they needed to see who would be in the finals.....bla...bla...bla.

Really people, lets try to act like grown ups.
Stop your gripping and remember,
"These are the good ole days"
Lets try to remember the positive.

Anonymous said...

9:01 is right these things are really bad and actions by parents should be taken immediately! Wow

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Anonymous said...

Copa Copa Copa needs to tell everyone the REAL reasons why their coach left.

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Anonymous said...

"That's what town teams provide - unskilled leadership that don't realize they need to pay attention to the rules."

Not EVERY town team...like the one that won the top flight.

Anonymous said...

Freehold unlucky to the tournament rules.. this happens to many..move forward

Anonymous said...

Another Brick, former Force, former Freehold, former Jackson parent.
You are like Hansel and Gretel you leave poisonous crumbs in your trail.
Hope you find your way.

Anonymous said...

I like the concept of an "elite league" but make it open to the real top elite teams of nj, pda & mf are not the top elite teams for nj for u14. This should be a playoff as for all states. It can be called odp, ecnl stole the concept and the $$$.

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8:08 wiki leaks, waiting for part 2...somebody there is up to something...

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Anonymous said...

A town team is make up of only players from that town. At this age that does not exist We all have players from other towns with some driving over 40 minutes to do so.

So can we put an end to the town team is better than the XXX one. When our team was a true town team we paid $400 for 4 tournaments, spring and fall leagues. Now we have other players from other towns added a trainer to help coach, we play lots of events and pay north of $1800. Will my daughter ever play in college I dont know. All I do know is we are all paying plenty to play the cheapest sport in America. So start focusing on who you pay to train and coach as that should be our #1 debate on this blog. Are they helping our girls get better?

TALKING YOUTH SOCCER in said...

The comments herein this week are personal, spiteful and offensive. If we see just one more of these personal and hateful posts, the page for U14G will be removed permanently.

We understand these posts are the result of a few. But when public comments are potentially harmful to children, volunteers and professional for whom youth soccer is their livlihood, it will not be tolerated.

Anonymous said...

Yet, you took my post down which was nothing but positive and showed the good that a person can do. Moderator you have NO clue what you are doing and please do shut this down. Do it now, NOTHING good comes out of this site.

NOW SHUT IT DOWN

Anonymous said...

Wow a lot going on since last I was here. Finally Copa got interesting but I missed the response I guess as it was removed? What team are you with that you spend $1,800 a year on because that's academy prices? If anyone knows what was the story behind Copa & all the accusations? Copa Copa Copa(that's still annoying).

Anonymous said...

big story behind i guess but nobody is answering to this... 9:51 Relax for few seconds we read how good of a person miss manager is..few seconds..then we went back to think different.

Anonymous said...

4:09 from yesterday - ECNL

I understand that coaches will down play ECNL and that makes sense for them. If they hype it up they will leave the club, but let me flip the scipt on you...if your coach had the opportunity to become a head coach for one of the ECNL clubs in your area, would they leave your club to go there?...same with the guest trainer with no ties to your club, if he or she had the opportunity to be a trainer at one of the ECNL clubs in your state would they go? I dont have an answer but you would have to be honest and answer yourself.

I know both sides as I have talked to a lot of coaches that gave me pros and cons of ECNL, one is that it is extremely competitive and every practice session is a try out to start, sometimes by the time girls get to college and soccer is a full time job besides school work, girls are just plain burned out. You can also get recognized via ODP or ID2, etc.. In my state ODP is a joke, but a VERY EXPENSIVE one that is not very funny and ID2, you need to be recognized by not only your coach but by others as well...Not saying ECNL is a end all, be all, but people bash it without full information is ignorant..not saying you 4:09, just saying

Anonymous said...

10:16, let us look at what you care about. Trying to dig up more information on a coach and it is killing you that no one will give it to you, and constantly bashing a manager who volunteers their time. YOU are what is wrong with this forum and the moderator should ban you or shut it down all together. Of course we all know they wont shut it down so what is the point of trying.

Anonymous said...

okay amdin god. its a shame but the truth hurts and should also set you free. the copa folks know what is going on and its crazy and one of the reasons they are so angry with everyone when they should be angry with there organization. the truth hurts and part two will clarify it.

Anonymous said...

Please share the truth.
blog only cares about nonsense. Move on, maybe you need to consider there is A new coach, who base on what I read here is an upgrade. Losing some players is more responsible for play than any thing else, As posted noted over and over,teams rise & fall every year, just about acquiring or losing players, little to do with coaching.

My vote shut it down!

Anonymous said...

Blog admin,
Someone attacks a club and you rush to delete their posts, yet when the young MF player was being attack you did nothing or were late to the party.
Shame belongs to you.
Want it to stop? Make people sign-up with a verifiable e-mail address.
Also... heard on the news this morning, a bill to be introduced to make parents responsible for children's internet posts. How about making parents responsible for parent's posts !
Not a Copa or MF parent.

Anonymous said...

How can you make the statement that town teams dont have good coaching and training. My kids team is trained by the same trainer that trains an academy we play against. You can say there are horrible coaches at both town and academy so do your homework and find the right spot!

Anonymous said...

Instead of shutting down the sure you can ban someone for repeated negative posts. That's the easiest way to handle the situation. Where the attacks get personal is where it gets out of hand & goes in a direction it never should have & at no time should a person be named or been initials given as that is also crossing the line.

Anonymous said...

Yes. The Administrator has been emailed on SEVERAL occasions over the past two weeks to remove a young players name off of this negative blog and NO RESPONSE. Interesting. What did this person do to get the Administrator's attention to remove the posts this morning? Provide input please as this blog needs to end.

Anonymous said...

My positive post was removed. Maybe negativity is the only thing accepted.

Anonymous said...

Thank you anonymous administrator. You must have just taken entries from that date out. Thank you. Just wish you would have acted sooner than 14 days after the fact having names sitting on your anonymous blog by some repetitive negative anonymous person.

Anonymous said...

The truth will set you free!!!!!or get you 3to5.....

Anonymous said...

Anyone know when copa tryouts are?

Anonymous said...

10:24 Ecnl
I hear what your saying. Perhaps I am not understanding. Why would a top college program head coach not be able to train where ever they want. It's one of the most desired college programs in the country. She trained us as a favor to our coach. He could coach pretty much where ever he wants. Ecnl would love to have him. That I'm sure. He is not just a Pro coach he actually is also a pro coach. As for the assistant coach she could also coach anywhere she wants. She is widely traveled including Europe after a 4 year college career at one of the best programs in the country. She chose to be an assistant at a different d1 program. Ecnl would take either of them in a heart beat.

Anonymous said...

dear admin,

first amendment:"abridging the freedom of speech, infringing on the freedom of the press" its social media and if name are not mentioned, why take it down? People need to know and ask questions. Questioning athority is what made this country what is. Home of the free land of the brave. When an organization is screwing around with the livelyhood of players and parents on the grounds of providing a service that is by no means honest or trustworthy people need to know. You are enabling these so called academies to run a muck and when the shit hits the fan and parents are being taken as suckers they have the right to know they are being taken for a ride. Maybe you shut it down because your not being fair to the truth. If 3-5 is your angle remember that many people gave their lives to provide us with free speech no names where mentioned but somehow you find it necessary to provide this organization an arena to rob and steal from parents.

thanks,
wiki leaks

Anonymous said...

2:42
I didnt know they were D1 coaches and trainers, i thought they were just your run of the mill travel team trainer that is perceived as good because of the accent..your point is taken.

Anonymous said...

2:42

After 4 kids and roughly 15 years being involved with and around youth soccer, I have come to the conclusion that it has become a dirty business.

These so-called academies scam the parents BIG-time. I would love to quit, problem is I have a kid that is actually quite good and loves the game. Team is very good despite the club/coach shenanigans. Don't have the heart to make her go back to a crappy team. There is no Brick equivalent in my area.

Anonymous said...

"These so-called academies scam the parents BIG-time. I would love to quit, problem is I have a kid that is actually quite good and loves the game. Team is very good despite the club/coach shenanigans. Don't have the heart to make her go back to a crappy team. There is no Brick equivalent in my area. "

What is "your area"?

Anonymous said...

Can't really say, too many coaches and parents trolling this blog.

Doesn't really matter, my situation is not unique.

Anonymous said...

He lives in Brick. Simply a Brick advertisement.

Anonymous said...

I wish 1,800 was for an academy. Try 3,000.

Anonymous said...

Brick rules say up to 5 non-Brick players per travel team.
Anyone know what a non-Brick resident is?
http://my.llfiles.com/00103147/BTSA_Rules_ver_1_0_amend_6.5.pdf

Anonymous said...

So obsessed! Why would it matter how many are from Brick? The answer is more than half the team is from Brick & been together for years. Don't know about the rules you speak if but I'm sure a team luge that gets exemptions due to the nature of the team & what the rest of the club provides in ither age groups. Before this team has anyone ever heard of a team from Brick?

Anonymous said...

Hey Copa an email bite your tongues?

Anonymous said...

i think the point is that the "town teams" are not "town teams" Just Lite club teams. Not that there is anything wrong with that at all I'm all for saving some $ and travel time to play good soccer. I just don't think its right to bash the PDA's & MF's when we are doing the same thing on a smaller scale.

Anonymous said...

$10,000 a month?how did he pay for that fancy car?

Anonymous said...

I used to think PDA ran the blog and was cool with the bashing. But now I am convinced it is Copa running it as the information and subsequent bashing was removed and pretty quickly.

Anonymous said...

back to gfa, freehold and brick being best teams in area?? again, hand it to brick, I saw only a small handful of town teams, brick, freehold, howell, watching. good for all of them. mostly academies, so gods speed to these town teams for keeping kids local and together and rising to the top.

Anonymous said...

Please freehold is better than brick or GFA. They were the best team last weekend , as good as copa . Best soccer.

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Anonymous said...

if you want to see the 2 top teams in nj come watch how soccer is really played pda vs mf this sunday at pda

Anonymous said...

Am I missing something, is this blog asleep at the wheel.
Where are GS points from last weekends tournament.
Why isn't that tourney & points in yet

Anonymous said...

They have to make sure that the results do not interfere with all ecnl teams...pol...they willbbe in by the morning

Anonymous said...

OH ...Stop!...
Brick parent...you'll get them!! lol

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