@905 Agree, my kid loves him and I really don't think anyone who has watched him can argue that he isn't one of the best trainers around. His training sessions are terrific.However, he does play favorites. If your kid has been on the team for a while he will show loyalty- is that bad? Conversely, he also will occasionally favor a new "toy". Is that much different from any trainer (human being) out there? I imagine it can be hard to be the parent of player 12-20. I concede, there isn't much if anything separating them from starting and seeing bigger minutes. Especially if a favorite is the starter in the desired position. It can be hard to "prove" one deserves a start when seeing mop up minutes or in a sit out schedule. Not every kid can stomach it and a real argument could be made that it isn't worth it for them. Expect CFC to load up on good but not great players from PF. Those thinking the GDA will get them a YNT look are playing not struggling for minutes. The other kids are just as well served at CFC until the P5 college coaches stop going to the ECNL events.
People, if your kids are not getting decent playing time now, wait until the girls coming from the private schools bump your kid from even dressing for games in the spring. That is next, it will happen. Your kid is just holding a spot for the girls currently playing private high school soccer. Those girls are better than most of what are on the roster now. Do that math, kids are going to sit, kids won't be seen, and PF just keeps cashing checks.
9:54 AM you don't know what is a good trainer is and if CS even runs a decent practice. PF has good players and poor coaching. CS doesn't make players better, he just recruits and replaces. Recruit and replace, the PF way.
Do you all even know that most of the 01 kids have been with the team for years? Sure there were a few adds this year and last of kids hoping to play at the highest level with the ECNL and then GDA. Are you really surprised about that? They have a great balance of lifers, and join the move up the pyramid players. Exactly what one would expect of a destination club that is successful in developing its best local players. Big surprise that there aren't enough gifted players in the West Chester zip codes to field an entire DA roster from local kids? Yet there always are some local kids at the oldest ages. Again telling as to their ability to develop u little kids. Even the best coach can't make a top 10 college player out of some kids. People don't want to admit that a certain baseline drive and athleticism is necessary to produce a top player. Coaches aren't the only ingredient in the mix.All their YNT players have been with the teams since u14 or before. Their best kids at UVA and committed to UNC, and Duke, have been with the team u13 or longer. Craig has grown all of them. Of course kids come to PF; it is near the top of the Youth soccer pyramid. That's how its supposed to work: kid top of the local team, moves to a more competitive team and then develops further and maybe to PF if the family is willing to make the investment. I know they give scholarships and even travel allowances to worthy kids and their families. Simple, PF provides the most competitive teams and coaching around in the best venue for identification. No recruiting necessary at this point. The PF GDA teams are near the top of the pyramid just below YNT peak. Your kid is good enough or not. Craig et. al. and the environment will make them better if they can play. If you can't stomach the GDA sub rules then it's not for your kid.
10:53 AM The private school girls are not better just privileged. They also bring a new recruiting cache to the club as most Episcopal/GA/Shipley etc bring ivies to the table not because of their soccer pedigree but because of their educational pedigree. The overall strength of the private school teams would be lacking against any better SOL or Chestmont public school. The private school players bring $$ to get on the teams and not really do not raise the level of play.
10:53that's not true universally. there are kids that may be taking a seat, but there are also some private school kids that will be struggling to get time while they catch up to games speed and technical touches. The speed of the GDA games even the mismatched ones are much faster then even a very good high school game. The movement in GDA is better than any youth soccer I have ever seen. Still see a lot of long ball and bad habits in high school.
12:47 hahaha. okay. my privately schooled, honor's daughter happens to not only be a very competitive student, but an even more competitive athlete. And I guarantee you, every teammate, coach, trainer, scout would tell you how she contributes greatly to her teams successes as well by not only being a very good player, but an even better teammate. I assure you that none of it has to do with any club fees or payments. ALL of it has to do with her, pushing herself and her personal expectations which is why she is privately schooled, playing highest level, etc.
10:59 - well we agree to disagree. btw - i hear other teams are looking for kids. maybe you should opt out of PF and into something else. you seem bitter. why continue with something you don't like? surely the club will either move up someone or give someone else some time with the vacancy.
1:40,So I guess she already has her college commitment lined up? Or still too many offers to whittle through. Is she currently playing school and expecting to step into DA shape in the spring or is she on the ECNL gravy train? See you said top level team so that would indicate she is expecting to leverage her privileged position to bump a less fortunate player come end of school season who is putting in hard work at the highest level too. If the Private school tag doesn't provide an advantage she would not be playing school ball now.
never said she was playing hs ball. oh and she whittled through her multiple offers before jr yr. but thanks for playing. she is a huge supporter and fan of her hs team as are we.
I'm 4:19 - the poster at 12:47 surmised that all a private schooled kid does for a club team is bring them ivy league offers and lacked any other meaningful contribution other than $$$. I was addressing this myth.Envy makes people jump to silly conclusions.
"She whittled through her offers before junior year"Congratulations. Any thought that maybe other offers would have been forthcoming?
Of course. We are still getting interest. Some are hoping she changes her mind. But, she is happy with her decision. That's what matters.
Sort of a myth that schools will stop recruiting a player after he/she commits, I guess.
I would not call it recruiting; just expressing continued interest. much different.
We have had this too. At different events, coaches would hand parents giving out brochures different business cards to give to us saying if she decides it's not for her or if coach leaves make sure to reach out.
Thanks for the feedback, 12:29
My 15 year old junior daughter committed last month and the best advice I can give parents that are looking to get that process moving is to make sure your kid approaches the head coach early in the day, at that school's camp, gives a short elevator speech (grades, etc) expressing her sincere desire to play there... and play confidently and well. Everyone has their own story.. Ours seems to be common among committed parents that I have spoken to recently. Just trying to help.
t/y and congrats.
Our coach set it all up for our daughter and most of the girls on her team. We didn't really know where she was a fit, we knew she would be a D-I player, but he reached out to the college coaches and created the opportunities for us. The coaches came to see the girls play at the national events. We feel we got lucky getting a person that knew how to get it done. We are also happy we she is going to a great school and was committed by 10th grade.
that is great. what would you recommend for clubs that coaches are not as proactive? Did you ever have that experience?
12:18 not to sound like a tool. But there is no way to put this. You leave that club. Why do we pick clubs and pay all that money to them? So they do some work when the time comes. If they are not that proactive then those players are in the wrong place.
69 TeamsRank1 FC Fury NY U-16/172 Penn Fusion Soccer Academy U-16/176 Sky Blue - PDA U-16/1710 New York City FC U-16/1714 Boston Breakers Academy U-16/1721 Washington Spirit Academy - Virginia U-16/1732 Sky Blue - NYSC U-16/1742 Washington Spirit Academy - Baltimore Armour U-16/1744 FC Virginia U-16/1749 Cedar Stars Academy - Monmouth U-16/1750 FC Stars U-16/1751 Oakwood Soccer Club U-16/1752 Virginia Development Academy U-16/1762 PA Classics U-16/1767 Empire United U-16/1768 Long Island SC U-16/17
Not everyone is willing to devote loads of time for travel to another club. I could take my kid 90 minutes each way multiple times a week to a different team in the same league but we put family and academics before soccer. It’s not that simple.
are there any tryouts for fc fury?
Change to come with those standings for sure. PAC has played PF twice so far but has yet to play CS or VDA even once. PF and PDA haven’t seen each other yet. Will be very interesting to see the PDA/PF outcome next weekend with both being undefeated.
Isn't that strange that they play teams multiple times without playing all teams in the conference, yet? dumb
PDA lost to Spirit VA 0-3. Is that right?
Where are the recent rankings posted recently on this board coming from? I don't think US Soccer is ranking unless the TDS is from US Soccer. I'm completely disregarding Got Soccer since many teams don't use them. So many moving pieces anymore.
PDA lost to Spirit VA. Where is that Spirit MD poster that was bemoaning the Spirit DAs?
All teams from VA are always good. Of course Spirit is good, they attract from that VA metro area's, in addition they are a nswl team so will attract more than others lets say.
you're talking about VA not Michigan. please.
https://www.si.com/soccer/2017/10/11/us-soccer-sunil-gulati-president-usmnt-world-cup-qualifying-failureGrant Wahl's article. Interesting.
Read it. agreed. interesting indeed. calls for Julie Fody to take over as USSF president.
Many good articles re the recent guys' failure to qualify. Different ideas. All of them call for a change at the top. Will be interesting to see what happens, if anything.
Arena resignedGood start
So.....besides being our team's leading scorer ....what else does my daughter have to do to get more minutes! Many of the players playing a whiole game at forward don't produce .... yet they stay on the fieldFrustration all around !
Can girls still get a waiver from their DA club teams next to play HS soccer like they did this year? If not there will be a lot of shake ups.
DA so bad at this age,they should play HS
They knew DA would be so bad at U17 - they didnt even bother creating single age group teams.
Just because you may be on a bad team doesn't mean the overall experience is bad. Sounds like you are just trying to poison others about maybe coming in and taking away roster spots.
10/20 @1:45shake ups? what do you mean? club or high school or both?
Cedar Stars such a great team! Good job!
10:35 Do your homework before typing. The U-16/17 and U-18/19 combined age groups are set up exactly like the boys side.Also, waivers will not be offered next year.
Does anyone know where the CASL flights are posted? It says posted on October 17th but nothing there.
US YOUTH SOCCER NATIONAL LEAGUEGIRLS 17 UNDER BLACK DIVISION38.68 Elite Girls Academy 2001 Maroon NE 38.56 Nationals Union 01 Black MI38.03 Tennessee Soccer Club 2001 Showcase TN37.68 FC Florida 01 Elite Blue Predators FL 37.62 Rebels SC G2001 Elite CA-S36.88 Premier SC Navy 2001 MD36.82 1776 United FC 01 Xtremes PA-E35.30 Santa Clara SC Sporting 01 Green CA-NGIRLS 17 UNDER BLUE DIVISION38.51 FCKC Academy Blues Elite 01 MO37.67 Michigan Jaguars 01 Green MI 37.02 Arizona Arsenal 01 Premier Teal AZ36.56 Fullerton Rangers 01 White CA-S36.48 Sting East 01 Dunstan TX-N36.24 United FA 01 Premier GA36.22 Arlington SA 2001 Red VA 36.03 Century V 01 Gold PA-WGIRLS 17 UNDER RED DIVISION37.93 CSA Charlotte Predator NC 37.23 PacNW 01 Maroon WA37.21 BC United 01 NY-W 37.09 Fever United 01G - Guerra TX-N36.81 CDA Premier 01 OH-S36.65 Nationals Union 01 Red MI 36.51 Beach FC 01 DPL CA-S35.60 Cleveland FC 01 Royal OH-NGIRLS 17 UNDER WHITE DIVISION37.40 TFA Elite 01 OH-S37.34 Galaxy 2001 Blue IL 37.32 Legends FC 01 Academy CA-S36.93 Utah Celtic FC 01 UT36.69 WHYFC Ladies White NC 36.57 FC Frederick'01 MD 36.41 Lonestar 01G TCL Composite TX-S36.21 NJ Stallions 01 Freedom NJ
ECNL’s Northeast Conference39.74 FC Stars 38.30 PDA37.89 FC Bucks 37.82 Bethesda SC37.76 Connecticut FC37.43 Match Fit Academy37.29 Albertson Fury 37.24 FSA FC37.20 World Class FC36.85 FC Boston36.80 Continental FC36.75 Maryland United36.12 East Meadow FCECNL’s Mid-Atlantic Conference39.15 McLean YSA37.47 Carolina Elite Soccer Academy37.33 Richmond United36.60 BRYC Elite Academy36.55 NCFC Youth35.62 Carolina Rapids34.76 NC Fusion33.51 South Carolina United
Looks like 16 flights of 8 teams=128 teamsThey accepted 128 teamsD1Under 17 Girls Elite Gold DivisionUnder 17 Girls Elite White DivisionUnder 17 Girls Elite Red DivisionUnder 17 Girls Elite Navy DivisionUnder 17 Girls Elite Silver DivisionD2Under 17 Girls Premier Gold DivisionUnder 17 Girls Premier White DivisionUnder 17 Girls Premier Red DivisionUnder 17 Girls Premier Navy DivisionUnder 17 Girls Premier Silver DivisionD3Under 17 Girls Select Gold DivisionUnder 17 Girls Select White DivisionUnder 17 Girls Select Red DivisionUnder 17 Girls Select Navy DivisionUnder 17 Girls Select Silver DivisionUnder 17 Girls Select Grey Division
@10/20 2:51Have you watched a HS game lately? It was bad before but now without its actual skilled players it’s unbearable. There are a few exceptions of coarse who chose not to play DA, but not many!
Can u post the bracket link for CASL? When you go to the website there is a place on the accepted teams list to see the divisions but nothing happens when you click on them.
only one NJ team in US YOUTH SOCCER NATIONAL LEAGUE? What about PSA, Wildcats, Barons. I guess I could go on?
11:26 Yes, I see girls trying very hard with little to no training. They now how to compete and when you lack skill you get physical, grab anything to even the playing field. What is wrong with this? This would happen at any level (just take out the little training comment).11:01 They haven't made them public - maybe it was a typo and 10/27/17 is the release date?11:02 Barons backed out of regional league last year (since they would have to start off in D2 as a new team) which limited their chances. Win NCS and make Semi-Finals at Regionals or play in ERL and do well. USYS doesn't make it easy for a team. This is where us Club jumped in - Look at ECNL/NPL most of these teams get into a tournament that is hosted by another ECNL/NPL club and get flighted pretty well. Just how it is. Going back to National League NJ Stallions played ERL and finished in the top 2 (automatic bid), that eliminates the politics of an open application.
nice comment 11:24. I have been on here for years saying NJ soccer is not up to par as other states. Go to regionals, nationals, tournaments and you continue to see other states winning matches versus NJ teams.
11:24 here, the comeback will be those are not the best NJ has to offer. For that you need to be part of a club that plays in the same leagues as those teams since the league is closed and the tournaments they attend keep them separate for the most part like CASL did last year to avoid showing how non-special they are. But that's just my opinion. They will say they want to play well trained teams like only those leagues have that.
is this a p*ssing match? seriously? It's the same argument over and over again. the leagues are all over the place right now. it's anyone's game right now. those that believe in nat'l league/usys will do nat'l league and usys;those that believe in ECNL will go ECNL; andthose that believe in GDA are playing GDA.In ALL of these leagues you have a variety of teams and talent levels and even a variety of talent levels on specific teams. Many avenues that lead to the same place; college soccer. Just get there through whatever means works for you and your family. And best of luck!
NL is for top teams,thats why only the best make it in,just the facts...enjoy EDP
6:35 why all the angst?the question was why NJ teams get beat at these national events. I gave my opinion what's wrong with 1-9? I can see how my non-special comment could bug someone, I'm sorry. But i agree with 10:01 only the best playing in NCS and regional league make it to the national league and i agree with you about all the different avenues to get noticed and play in college (but that's not what the post was about pal). Just being a fan and talking team soccer not recruitment (that's an individual thing)1. Barons backed out of regional league last year2. Not playing in ERL limited their chances.3. Win NCS and make Semi-Finals at Regionals or play in ERL and do well getsyou to national league4. USYS doesn't make it easy for a team. 5. US Club (ECNL/NPL) created to give teams at all ages a shot regardless of how strong they are.6. ECNL/NPL clubs get good flights at events hosted by ECNL/NPL clubs7. The comeback will be those are not the best NJ has to offer. 8. To play NJ best you need to be in their league since it is closed.9. Tournaments these top teams attend keep them separate f
Great conversation, and again the major problem is all the choices. Look at Monmouth and Ocean top teams for example. You have PDA shore, CSA/DA, Wildcats, Boca. If you took the top, I mean the top 3 girls from each team. (I am talking about the DI commits or possible DI commits on each one) You would have a true DA. Many of you know exactly the girls I am talking about at this point. You field those 8-10 players and they would be unbeatable. But they play at different clubs and different leagues. Boca is in EDP, Wildcats NPL, CSA/DA and then of course PDA Shore is now Nat league. And remember some of these girls could play up, so U16 on this roster like the DA has. And even some drop outs from town teams looking for places can fill in those spots, but again they will scatter and even some go up to PDA north, FC Bucks I have heard. This makes NJ a weak competitor at national events
@9:55 considering other states have the same issue I am not so sure about that. Geography is definitely a factor in every single state. Some will drive the 2 hours each way. But most want to stay local, and most do not mind paying the heavy yearly fees. I know it can take me 45 minutes to drive 20 miles in NJ with traffic at practice times between 5-7.
BOCA team broke at end of last season.
8:17 no angst. just a little premature for all of it based on all the unknowns in all the leagues right now. so maybe NJ teams won't crash and burn this year. maybe this is their year. who knows? good observation by you pointing out the obvious. But that could be said for a few areas, not just NJ.
And hey, there is always US Club Soccer, right?
Okay, 12:14 and 2:12 and above, remember all those PA Classics pre-season in your face posts as they are coming sometimes chuncks of kids other previously successful teams? i am not trying to besmirch but just using as an example. Aren't they made up of kids who have played together before in other leagues and now don't want to make the ride anymore to these other areas?
@12:33 yes, but the 02 team is pretty good and has at least two very good players. They actually played with the 01 as guests often.
Okay I have a question for you college guru's? Friend of mine said his daughter played less than 20 minutes total last year and yet was as one of the teams Academic All Americans. First, how is this possible? Second, is the coach just padding his team GPA total or just looking to mollify the player because he wants to give her more time next year and doesn't want a transfer situation?
welcome to college soccer the reality show. some kids see very little time in their entire time at college. some kids are put on the rosters as practice squad kids. not saying this is the case, but it does happen.
and tell your friend congrats. she's getting it done in the classroom which is excellent.
6:18 That is a great point that I kind of missed and of course it's the most important thing a student athlete can achieve. But now when I hear on TV about a coach and a program graduating a large number of All-Americans, I'll think a little differently.
Just chiming in but in college All Americans and Academic All Americans are different, both great but different. I think you can be both. And some programs may just include everyone in the All American headcount in marketing.
If I was a college coach trying to recruit a player, the overall team GPA would be a strong selling point to his or her parents. It shows an equal or even greater commitment to earning a degree versus on field play.
U.S. SOCCER DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY2017-2018 Development Academy Regular Season Girls U-16/17 69 teams#2 Penn Fusion Soccer Academy U-16/17#5 FC Fury NY U-16/17#7 New York City FC U-16/17#14 Washington Spirit Academy - Virginia U-16/17#18 Sky Blue - PDA U-16/17#21 Boston Breakers Academy U-16/17------------------------------------------------------------------Above teams are in Postseason (1-21)------------------------------------------------------------------#28 FC Virginia U-16/17------------------------------------------------------------------Above team is a wildcard (22-32)------------------------------------------------------------------#37 FC Stars U-16/17#43 Oakwood Soccer Club U-16/17#45 Sky Blue - NYSC U-16/17#51 Virginia Development Academy U-16/17#52 Cedar Stars Academy - Monmouth U-16/17#56 PA Classics U-16/17#66 Empire United U-16/17#68 Long Island SC U-16/17
Below teams will be at the Bethesda Premier Cup.I got all the ECNL and NL teams, I think (I'm curious to see how they do as the Non-Academy season starts for some) ECNL’s Northeast Conference39.15 McLean YSA (ECNL record so far 6-1-1)37.82 Bethesda SC37.29 Albertson Fury 37.20 World Class FC36.80 Continental FC36.75 Maryland UnitedUS YOUTH SOCCER NATIONAL LEAGUE36.88 Premier SC Navy 200136.82 1776 United FC 01 Xtremes36.57 FC Frederick'0136.22 Arlington SA 2001 Red35.60 Cleveland FC 01 Royal
Hello?? Nothing to discuss?
Some pretty good non ECNLs just under that 35.60 mark, 8:26Thanks for the list.
And above it as well!
I know 2:21 - It would be a big list. Same as CASL (which I haven't had time to put together yet). I enjoy this as my kid does her thing setting herself up. I like talking about soccer issues but most become stale after a while, it's the same story. Same as just talking about colleges and the recruitment process. The only thing fresh are the result (just my 2 cents).PS. throwing out a soccer opinion also. I think one of the main reasons keeping soccer from growing even more is the lack of a big tournament. UEFA has it's champions league and europa league where the teams make some serious cash for winning games that they use in the transfer market. We play in CONCACAF (can't even win it). We should work with South America to take Copa Lib to the next level. They have the teams and we have the marketing. Lot's of money to be made. Also the NWSL should apply for a UEFA exception to allow our champion to play in the UEFA Champions League. We need to change our culture of MLS Cup is the top priority. MLS season is only important to determine which teams play internationally (why a playoff format sucks for me bring on pro/rel). We are spoiled since we have the best basketball league in the world and our best will destroy any other nation's best. Not going to talk about Football/Baseball since no one really plays it, so our league titles are the prize. Soccer is global and we need a prize to play for that is bigger than our domestic league titles. Playing in Copa Lib would improve the MLS which in turn will improve the academies the more money they make the more money they can invest in the game the less money parents pay.Sorry for the ramble.
clever idea, but you don't think youth soccer in is smarmy enough?
what? no saber rattling about upcoming Bethesda and/or CASL, NL? where is everybody?
My daughter's team is playing at bethesda. Her team will beat yours.Is that good?
here you go 1st Installment top teams Non-ECNL/GDA per YSR going into 2nd fall major tournament. Posting to track the change in scores after the event.Keeping and eye on Albertson and World Class since these teams are now B teams. CASL will have a bigger list. Waiting for Bethesda scores to change1-101 SOUTH SHORE SELECT AP (MA) 37.942 PRINCETON SA WILDCATS (NJ) 37.473 SUSA FC NPL (NYE) 37.444 SJEB RUSH (NJ) 37.195 GREATER BINGHAMTON FC (NYW) 37.116 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY SOUTH (NJ) 37.097 FURY SC ATHLETICA (WV) 37.018 PREMIER SC NAVY STRIKERS (MD) 36.839 UNITED FC 1776 XTREME (PAE) 36.7310 READING RAGE SC MORGAN (PAE) 36.6111 SUSA FC ELITE (NYE) 36.4912 NJ WILDCATS FURY NPL (NJ) 36.4913 ROCHESTER FC (NYW) 36.4814 LEHIGH VALLEY UNITED BLACK (PAE) 36.4615 FC FREDERICK (MD) 36.4416 SJEB RUSH PREMIER WHITE (NJ) 36.3917 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY NORTH NPL (NJ) 36.3518 NJ ELITE WATCHUNG HILLS FLAMES (NJ) 36.3419 BEACH FC VA RED (VA) 36.2920 NEW YORK SC ELITE NPL (NYE) 36.26ECNL Teams playing at Bethesda1 MCLEAN YS ECNL (VA) 39.122 BETHESDA SC ECNL (MD) 37.683 ALBERTSON SC FURY ECNL (NYE) 37.174 WORLD CLASS FC ECNL (NYE) 37.075 CONTINENTAL FC ECNL (PAE) 36.656 MARYLAND UNITED FC ECNL (MD) 36.607 PITTSBURGH RIVERHOUNDS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY (PAW) 35.43GDA Playoff teams (as of today)1 Penn Fusion Soccer Academy U-16/175 FC Fury NY U-16/176 New York City FC U-16/1715 Sky Blue - PDA U-16/1719 Washington Spirit Academy - Virginia U-16/1720 Boston Breakers Academy U-16/1726 FC Virginia U-16/176:54 maybe but my kid's team has more recruits and that's what matters right?
That is a good amount of teams going to Bethesda. I don't think WAGS fared as well. Is it high school soccer conflicts and kids not available or just too early in the season?
12:13 You are correct about Wags losing teams (U16-U18) due to the high school conflict. There were teams starting their first two games with 10 players, mainly because high school coaches would not release them to play until their games were or practices were complete. Still think Wags is a very good tourney for teams up to U15. There is a long list of coaches attending at Bethesda, but if I'm a college head coach, I'm letting my assistant's enjoy the fine weather and report back.
Bethesda Projected Bracket Winners:Potomac Blue- SJEB RushPotomac Green- PrincetonChesapeake Blue- NJ WildcatsChesapeake Green- 1776Patriot Blue- NYSC ElitePatriot Green- Cleveland FutbolLiberty Blue- Loudoun Soccer RedLiberty Green- FC Fredrick For those of you that dislike Gotsoccer and its rankings, apparently so does Bethesda. They have placed the number one ranked teams from Virginia, Maryland and PA, and Ohio's number two in the third bracket.
Slick still #1
Wonder what system Bethesda used to rank? Gotsoccer is horribly flawed and is used as justification to get points by going to more tournaments than necessary. Do you think otherwise?
As a point, was speaking with someone from a team that is not very strong. This person was using the Gotsoccer points the team had earned as evidence that this team was better than the local ECNL team. "We're better because our GotSoccer points are way better and we are ranked higher." I said, well since they only have two gotsoccer tourneys in their window (both finalist or champion in big tourneys) and you have 15 tourneys; state cups; and more and your points are pretty close, you may want to rethink that logic.And this person said, "well, the numbers speak or themselves, we are better."
@ 10:57 Amusing conversation. How did you keep a straight face?
The GotSoccer believers are hardcore. You can't change their minds.
11:09 Bethesda Projected Bracket Winners resultsWRONG - Potomac Blue- SJEB Rush *2nd (flight should have been Green)WRONG Potomac Green- Princeton *Last (flight should have been Blue)WRONG Chesapeake Blue- NJ Wildcats *3rdCORRECT Chesapeake Green- 1776WRONG Patriot Blue- NYSC Elite *LastWRONG Patriot Green- Cleveland Futbol *LastWRONG Liberty Blue- Loudoun Soccer Red *2ndCORRECT Liberty Green- FC Fredrick 2 out of 8 not very goodYou have a few weeks before CASL to recover+/- score adjustments after Bethesda (n/a unlisted previously)-0.03 SOUTH SHORE SELECT AP (MA) 37.91+0.08 SUSA FC NPL (NYE) 37.52-0.15 SJEB RUSH (NJ) 37.04-0.09 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY SOUTH (NJ) 37.00-0.47 PRINCETON SA WILDCATS (NJ) 37.00-0.13 GREATER BINGHAMTON FC (NYW) 36.98-0.17 FURY SC ATHLETICA (WV) 36.84-0.07 PREMIER SC NAVY STRIKERS (MD) 36.76-0.20 UNITED FC 1776 XTREME (PAE) 36.53n/a VIRGINIA LEGACY SC CCL ELITE (VA) 36.49+0.01 FC FREDERICK (MD) 36.45-0.17 READING RAGE SC MORGAN (PAE) 36.44+0.03 NJ ELITE WATCHUNG HILLS FLAMES (NJ) 36.37-0.14 ROCHESTER FC (NYW) 36.34-0.13 LEHIGH VALLEY UNITED BLACK (PAE) 36.33-0.18 NJ WILDCATS FURY NPL (NJ) 36.31-0.20 SUSA FC ELITE (NYE) 36.29-0.15 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY NORTH NPL (NJ) 36.20n/a FC STARS OF MASSACHUSETTS NPL (MA) 36.13n/a ARLINGTON SA RED (VA) 36.13Not in top 20 any longer-0.34 SJEB RUSH PREMIER WHITE (NJ) 36.05-0.27 BEACH FC VA RED (VA) 36.02-0.66 NEW YORK SC ELITE NPL (NYE) 35.60ECNL Teams playing at Bethesda+0.04 MCLEAN YS ECNL (VA) 39.12-0.32 BETHESDA SC ECNL (MD) 37.36-0.25 ALBERTSON SC FURY ECNL (NYE) 36.98-0.20 WORLD CLASS FC ECNL (NYE) 36.87-0.00 CONTINENTAL FC ECNL (PAE) 36.65-0.10 MARYLAND UNITED FC ECNL (MD) 36.50+0.06 PITTSBURGH RIVERHOUNDS ECNL (PAW) 35.49
9:32 Yeah I really missed badly on Bethesda, but if the two 2nd places panned out, I'd be batting .500. Also forgot how horrible some of the fields would be this time of the year after some many games have been played on them. At least it wasn't windy.
With how many complained about the seeding for Bethesda, they asked coaches to create a seeding, and after they sent that seeding in, decided to just keep it the same anyway. There were teams lower in the tiers that should of been higher, and teams in the top flights that probably should of been down a flight or two. On a side note, you have to take both ranking systems with a grain of salt. All youth soccer rankings is doing is going off of goal differential. Many teams play a defensive mindset when the game dictates, and are fine sitting back once they get one or two goals. And then you have the situation like Chesapeake green at Bethesda, where you have a team from Canada that even though you win against them, it still drops your ranking points......Neither is a perfect system, and in all reality, you have to use what both systems give you, and read in between the lines to get a feel of what a team really is.
I like youth soccer rankings, b/c if you have a team with a score of 37 playing a team with a score of 34 and they win by 1 goal their score should drop. They were favorite by 3 and didn't cover end of story. A win is a win, I get that but when seeding teams GD should come into play. Look at McLean they were a 39 and played PSC who was a 37, they stumped them by 7 so not only did their scores change but so did the scores of all the teams they played. Is it perfect? No. but with this system it doesn't matter how many tournaments, points or games you play - the quality of those games is what's being measured. I disagree a defensive mindset or not a 1-0 win vs a team that is 34 makes you a 35. A team that is a 34 playing a team over 36 - well the game shouldn't be close no matter how defensive the 34 plays. Got soccer awards volume not quality. Youth Soccer rankings takes volume out of the equation and looks a pure results no speculation you are a number or you are not depending on the result of the game.To me gotsoccer is garbage, and maybe that's b/c my kid's team doesn't play in a bunch of tournaments.
Gotsoccer is garbage if you use the rankings system purely on the rankings system. But as far as the rankings system goes, a win is a win, and there's a lot to be said for that. There's a reason they call it a game winning goal whether it be a 1-0 win or a 6-0 win, the first goal is the one that matters. On youth rankings, I can guarantee you there are a bunch of teams that are in that 50-150 range nationally, that if you somehow could calculate win percentage into the ranking system, they would jump up dramatically in the ranks. If you are a 39 and the other team is a 36, and that 36 has a speed demon up top, maybe the best way to play them is to not allow her to have opportunities, especially if you get a goal or two. I as a coach did what I needed to do to win the game, not continuing to attack to score goals because a ranking system will take points away if I don't beat them by 3. Last thing I want is them to steal a goal and maybe get some momentum when I had everything under control
Are you guys serious? A win is a win?? The idea of the showcase is that college coaches get to see players display their entire skillset, with the hope that a college coach says "I need that skill set". So your going to head into a showcase and be happy that your coach plays 10 behind the ball after a 1-0 lead, and sets in after a?? How does that show what skills you attacking mids and strikers have? I wouldn't even think of having my kid play for a coach that did that at this age level, or one that yells and screams to the girls where to be every minute. A college coach wants to see not only a players skill set, but also how well they know the game on their own. I will agree it is nice to win and my daughters team had a great weekend in that department, but isn't the idea to show every player off? I think that's why it's called a showcase. These are sophmores and juniors we're talking about, not U12-U14.
So true 11:51Anyone ever heard of Premier Cup(not Bethesda Premier Cup)We're heading to CASL but now younger daughter's coach brought this up for same weekend??
11:51 - agreed. coaches and parents need to stop chasing the points. SHOW the kids.
Premier Cup in VA is no where near the level of CASL. Some groups had only one flight last year. Sounds like coach is looking for wins and not exposure to coaches.
11:51So what you're saying is that attacking midfield and strikers that know how to defend in a formation to force the ball into where the defensive pressure sits isn't a skill set? Last time I checked most high level games are usually within a goal or two of each other. If I was a coach, I'd be looking for a player that can attack when the game dictates, and understand their role in a defensive formation when the game dictates as well. Playing good defense takes 11 players. Playing a 3-5-2 is a perfect example, best way to attack it is to get the ball switched and up the flanks. Attacking mids and strikers need to make sure the ball doesn't go through the defensive center mid area, and make sure it has to go around them through the center backs (slow down the switching of the ball) and then outside mids need to take the outside lanes away so the ball has to be played into the center of the field in the attacking teams defensive half. It takes a whole team working together to do that. Personally, I'll take the coach that showcases its players on both sides of the ball over a coach that just showcases one side of the ball and wins 5-3
And I just want to add, I'm not talking about parking the bus. I'm talking about playing with a defensive mindset that you are not going to put yourself at risk of letting the other team attack at you. Playing defensively still allows for a team to control the ball and get opportunities. Like I said, it's a different style of play, and just as important to the game of soccer. Youth soccer rankings doesn't allow for that style in its system, and is why you have to look a lot deeper than the ranking points to tell what a team is
I was not attacking your system if that works for you. I was talking about teams are content to set in when the game is tied or their ahead by one goal, watching their single high striker chase the ball back and forth between the other teams defensive backs. Are you telling me that the single striker constantly chasing the ball is showing a certain skill set? Although every once in a while she does get to show some speed while chasing the ball before the keeper picks it up and rolls it out to a back. Worst of all, these teams often end up losing because of the sheer volume of offensive chances they give the teams their playing.I think you'll agree if you train your players right, you can have an open game and still end up with a 2-1 or 1-0 game. And guess what, your players now have shown everything they can do. My daughter's team plays a 4-3-3 and they allow very few goals, and sometimes they'll switch to a 3-4-3 to increase pressure. It allows coaches to see one touch soccer and the D-backs to show their ball skills as well. It also forces the wings to help back on defense and doesn't allow for standing and watching (I think coaches might like that too). But most of all, it allows everyone to be seen to their fullest potential as long as they taken the time to work on their game. I do like the use of the 3-5-2, especially if you have strong attacking mids and obviously I'm not talking about teams that play this formation. The 3-5-2 is the perfect formation for teams that want to clog up the center and it does draw those center backs to the edges. Good luck at Disney or CASL
6:54 here. Meant to say the 3-5-2 is perfect for playing against those teams that want to clog up the center. I should prof read a little more.
The beauty of a 3-5-2 is if you want to play an attacking mindset you get your outside mids high, and your defensive center mids slide sideways to cover the space behind, or your outside back pushes into that space (and can make attacking runs as well), your center back slides wider, and your defensive center mid drops straight back. It requires a lot of attention to what your defensive center mids are doing, and where they are on the field when turnovers happen etc. It provides for a good amount of players forward at all times. It requires a lot of work from your defensive center mids. In a defensive mindset, you just drop the outside mids deeper, and allow the 2 forwards and attacking center mid to cover more space up top, checking back and playing with back to goal to allow players to get forward, and still allows for 2 players up top to work off each other. Good teams can feel the flow of the game and how it dictates to play during that time of the game, will even lull other teams into their more defensive mindset, and then just move the mids forward and all of a sudden have numbers forward without really doing anything different. If both teams are playing a 3-5-2, then the team that will be more successful usually are the ones that can move the ball quicker in the middle of the field. With all that being said, this style tends to produce less goals, especially when you play more defensively minded against a good team (say a team with 3 points more than you on youth rankings), and you choose your moments in the game to get one or both of your mids higher. You are still showcasing offensively/defensively, but your not allowing a team that for all intents if you run and gun with them will probably beat you, but has to figure out how to break you down (see earlier post about making them play the ball inward sooner than they want). In youth soccer rankings, it doesn't take any of that into account. You could play a 2-2-6, and win 11-8 against an even ranked team and your score will go up. If you play your style, and the game dictates and plays out to a 1-0, 2-0, 2-1 score, your score doesn't change hardly at all, and drops that 3point losing team back into the pack a little. That's where it's flawed, and why I go back to that a win is a win, it doesn't matter if it's 1-0, or 15-0. That first goal above the other team is the one that matters, and is why there's teams in the 50-150 range that are much better than their ranking shows.
somebody likes to give away their teams' playbook.
@7:33Lol, soccer formations and how players move within them isn't hard to figure out. This isn't football, well it is, but you know what I mean
It is a real tough one. You should always play to win. Showcasing is important, but you have to learn to win to play in HS, league matches, state cups and of course college. Learning to win is a mind set of the team and coach. If the coach or girls are pessimistic and try not to embarrass themselves or coach thinks teams are too good and does the old 9-1 formation it is not good. Teams win with multiple shots on goal, not multiple shots on their own goal. Many corner kicks and shots on goal = goals. Keeping possession and being confident in your offense is a winning situation. Playing defensively and stressing out the D and goalie is not a good idea.
1:33 Agreed. But at least the coaches attending will get a good look at the keepers ability.
CASL Under 17 Girls * my prediction to win the flightElite Gold Division39.18* Mclean Ecnl37.54 SUSA ISA G01 NPL37.43 North Shore United SC 0137.10 Richmond United Ecnl 0136.87 World Class FC Ecnl 01 World Class FC - NY36.52 FC Boston Scorpions Ecnl 0136.50 JB Marine 01 Schneider36.10 CO Storm 01 ECNL Elite White Division37.89* South Shore Select 01 AP37.61 CRUSA FC Buck ECNL 0137.36 Bethesda Union 01 ECNL37.04 SJEB Rush 01 Girls Academy36.65 DSC 01 Lady Gold Premier36.51 MD United FC 01G ECNL36.24 Tampa Bay United Rowdies 01G ECNL35.58 Carolina Rapids ECNL 01 Elite Red Division36.99* PDA Madrid (NJ) 36.90 Fury Athletica36.65 NCFC ECNL 0136.64 Continental FC 01 ECNL36.44 Saltfleet Stoney Creek 2001 Black35.68 Match Fit Academy NE NPL 0135.47 01 Florida Krush Black34.62 NC Fusion 02 ECNLElite Navy Division36.94 Woolwich Wolfpack 01 Girls36.44* Reading Rage 01 Morgan37.43 CSA North-cab Predator G36.33 LVU 2001 Girls Black36.30 CSA Impact United 01G Nike MRL Black36.28 NJ Wildcats Fury NPL36.28 SUSA Elite 0136.22 01 NCFC Elite GElite Silver Division37.18 United FC 01G-GR36.57 Hamilton United Elite OPDL 2001G36.40* NJ Elite Flames36.18 FCX 2001 Black36.12 FC Stars NPL 200136.08 Beach FC Red 0135.73 Beadling Elite35.36 GPS MA 2001 NPL Girls
I would agree with you on two of the brackets. But of course I'll have to look over the teams myself and then give my expert analysis.
EDP Showcase Saturday, Sunday - top 2 flights(top}SUSA EliteFC Copa BlackPrincetonPDA SouthSJEB RushNJ StallionsRush CanadaHFC Ready(second)Vaughn SC CNDAlleycatsFC Bucks NPLCedar Stars Bergen WestSyracuse DANJ Wildcats CrewFC BernaSt-Hubert Spatial CND- bracket winners play a final (4th game)
So Weak......wow what happen to this age? DA?
DA or the below?3 games or 180 mins for $1,245.00Games are two (2) halves of thirty (30) minutes each for ages U11 and older30 minute halves vs others like BethesdaU16/U17 $1,300.003 games or 240 mins for $55 more
Parents pay anyway. so now coaches are becoming penny watchers. sure.
Time to switch to softball
Switch to softball? Who doesn't like watching Women's College Softball? Always amazed how big some the pitchers are (legs like small oak trees).
don't knock it, softball, lacrosse and rugby seem to get television coverage on the sports channels. to get soccer games you have to crack a secret code.
So how many coaches on the sideline this weekend?
18 on the first day, 12 on the second.
4th from top
which teams were playing behind or next to the DA games? stopped by to watch those games and could not help to watch the sidelines of the games behind and to the side. way to celebrate parents. thought it was the World Cup being played; multiple chest bumping stations going on by parents. was surprised at the air some were getting.
Women's college soccer has actually been getting a good deal of coverage. My daughter and I were flipping back and forth to watch ACC, SEC and Big Ten playoffs. YES network carried a lot of SEC games in our area and at one point three networks were carrying games at the same time. One thing we talked about, was how difficult it was to not only score, but even to get quality shots. Teams like Duke just doesn't give any ground. Girls are fast and extremely tough, plus the refs keep the whistles in their pockets.
What about all the games that went to PK's or OT? And the upsets.
great weekend GFA
GFA could not field a team so they forfeited all games.
Sucks if your daughter is looking for recruitment and she's on gfaAny other teams around she can play?
4:29 That's true. So many of the games were decided in overtime or by PK's at the end. The sad one was when a defensive player headed the ball in her own goal to end it in overtime. On another note. How brilliant are the Disney Showcase marketing official? Charging $18.00 to get into the games to see your own kid play. You think they all got together one day and said, "listen guys, I still think we can squeeze a few more dollars out of these parent, but how?". Guess they didn't want to charge $20 because that would seem exorbitant.
So is IGFA PSA 01 done? Not enough players? How does a team that won so many tournaments last year fade away?
gfa/psa/wildcats. lol. The 01 group and many other players went to ECNL or DA. That is why the decline.
That has happened to many teams...but why the lol?How would you feel if your daughter was one on those teams and didn't have many choices?
Region 1 Top non GDA/ECNL teams(+/- pts after Bethesda & EDP events)37.83 (-0.11) SOUTH SHORE SELECT AP (MA) 37.47(-0.03) SUSA FC NPL (NYE)37.00 (-0.19) SJEB RUSH ACADEMY (NJ) 36.97 (-0.14) GREATER BINGHAMTON FC (NYW)36.96(-0.13) PDA SOUTH NPL (NJ)36.86 (-0.15) FURY SC ATHLETICA (WV)36.67 (-0.16) PREMIER SC NAVY STRIKERS (MD)36.50 (-0.23) UNITED FC 1776 XTREME (PAE)36.47 (n/a) VIRGINIA LEGACY SC CCL ELITE (VA)36.46 (-1.01) PRINCETON SA WILDCATS (NJ)36.41 (-0.03) FC FREDERICK (MD) 36.40 (-0.21) READING RAGE SC MORGAN (PAE) 36.37 (+0.03) NJ ELITE WATCHUNG HILLS FLAMES (NJ) 36.36 (-0.13) SUSA FC ELITE (NYE)36.29 (-0.19) ROCHESTER FC (NYW) 36.29 (-0.17) LEHIGH VALLEY UNITED BLACK (PAE) 36.24 (-0.25) NEW JERSEY WILDCATS FURY NPL (NJ) 36.13 (-0.22) PDA NORTH NPL (NJ) 36.07 (-0.52) FC STARS OF MASS NPL (MA)36.07 (-0.15) ARLINGTON SA RED (VA) 36.04 (-0.25) BEACH FC VA RED (VA)
Region 1 teams @ Disney Girls Soccer ShowcaseBEACH FC 01 RED (VA) FC COPA ACADEMY 01 BLACK (NJ) PREMIER SC NAVY STRIKERS (MD)NJ STALLIONS ACADEMY 01 FREEDOM NPL (NJ) READING RAGE 01 MORGAN (PAE) VIRGINIA RUSH 01 (VA) PDA SOUTH SPURS 01 (NJ) WATCHUNG HILLS SA NJ ELITE 2001 FLAMES (NJ) HARFORD FC UNITED THUNDER 0102 (MD) LOUDOUN SOCCER 01 RED (VA) HMMS EAGLE FC 01 UNITED (PAE)GREAT FALLS 01 RENEGADES RED (VA) NEW YORK SC ELITE 01 NPL (NYE) STA 2001 NPL (NJ)BALTIMORE CELTIC SC ELITE 01 (MD) YARDLEY MAKEFIELD SOCCER PREMIER 01 BANSHEES (PAE) FC VIRGINIA UNITED ELITE 01 (VA) BALTIMORE CELTIC SC NORTH 01 (MD) SEVERNA PARK BLACK THUNDER 01 (MD) -------------------------------------------------------------Region 1 teams @ National Elite Women's Soccer ShowcaseECNLMATCH FIT ACADEMY 2001 ECNL (NJ)ALBERTSON SC FURY '01 ECNL (NYE)EAST MEADOW ECNL 2001 DASH (NYE)WNY FLASH ACADEMY WNY FLASH 01G ECNL (NYW)Non-ECNLPSA WILDCATS 01 GIRLS (NJ)MASSAPEQUA NPL '01 COSMOS (NYE)YANKEE UNITED F.C. FLASH NPL-01 (CT)SJEB RUSH 01 GIRLS NPL (NJ)ALLEYCATS 2001G NPL (NYE)MATCH FIT ACADEMY FC NORTHEAST NPL 2001 (NJ)CAPITAL UNITED SC BLUE FORCE (NYE)BRENTWOOD SC NPL BLAZE 2001 (NYE)NJ WILDCATS CREW (NJ)CONNECTICUT FC (CFC) CONNECTICUT FC NPL 01 (CT)NEW YORK SC ELITE G01 EDP (NYE)CLARKSTOWN 2001 ELITE (NYE)NEW YORK SURF NY SURF G01 LONG ISLAND (NYE)HAMILTON ELITE FC - ACADEMY AVALANCHE (NJ)NIRVANA 360 INTRIGUE (NYE)DENVILLE PREMIER SOCCER LIGHTNING (NJ)NEXT LEVEL 01 GIRLS (NJ)PENNSYLVANIA ALLIANCE SELECT BLASTERS (PAE)PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY HORNETS (NJ)PHILADELPHIA SC COPPA BLUE STORM (PAE)GPS-NEW YORK ELITE 01 (NYW)NORTHEAST ATTACK GIRLS 01 (PAE)EAST MEADOW NPL EAST MEADOW/SMITHTOWN CRIMSON TIDE (NYE)CONTINENTAL FC NPL '01F (PAE)ALBERTSON FURY NPL 01 (NYE)BEACHSIDE SC CT BEACHSIDE (CT)JERSEY UNITED SOCCER SPARTANS 2001G NPL (NJ)STONY BROOK BARCELONA (NYE)CEDAR STARS ACADEMY BERGEN WEST 01 GREEN (FORMERLY NJ CRUSH STORM W) (NJ)WORLD CLASS FC '01 NPL (NYE)FC COPA ACADEMY G01 RED (NJ)LYNBROOK EAST ROCKAWAY SC SCREAMIN EAGLES (NYE)LDC UNITED ATTACK (PAE)PSC DYNAMO CT 02 (CT)NY ELITE FC TIGERS (NYE)ATHLETES FOR THE CROSS AFC UNITED (PAE)STONY BROOK ESPANYOL (NYE)VYSA EXPRESS (NYW)STA 2001G EDP (NJ)SUSA ELITE WHITE 01 (NYE)NEW ROCHELLE RT PREMIER (NYE)
no ECNL teams at Disney from R1? They are going to Newss instead. Truthfully my daughter and her team rather play the ECNL teams instead of going to Disney to play league games.
Who plays league games at Disney?
ECNL is holding a tournament in January for all their teams. I think its in the second weekend.
Look at the teams at Disney. They are teams you would play in EDP DI. No ecnl teams. That is what I mean. In the past when you went to events you would play ecnl teams here and there, and mostly in top brackets.
this whole soccer landscape is screwed up anymore. thanks us soccer.
Take a look at the standings for the DA teams as of this week. There are three really good teams that can beat any team in the league and there are a couple average teams that can only beat the bottom three or each other. It strongly resembles the ECNL league of previous years, only now the Cedar Stars and Virginia Development Academy have replaced FC Bucks and CFC as the worst teams. Even the current ECNL and EDP leagues will be the same as before, three teams at the the top, a couple in the middle and three horrible teams at the bottom. Just the names and the positions change as the players move from team to team chasing the carrot on a stick. But if you have been one of those parents that have moved your kid three different times in three years, you have to ask yourself where the problem truly lies and who is the common denominator? We can't just lay the blame with US Soccer and their insistence on putting new bigger, brighter shiny letters out there each year. We the parents are certainly a large part of the problem (present company included). So many of us put so a priority on winning even at the youngest levels, that we sacrifice proper training methods and judge our coaches ability by it. Only now that I have had two kids go through it and play in college and one still in high school, do I realize how silly some of it was and how many stupid mistakes I made. My second child has pretty much a full scholarship and yet never played above a third bracket in any tournament (think about that). Yet my first one which I spent great sums of money on, has received very little in the way of scholarship money and yet almost always played with better teams in top tiers all the time. Should I blame US Soccer for putting the venues out there? Or myself for being the fool that didn't understand where my child needed to be? At this point I'm pretty sure I was the fool.
6:43 truth and conversation. With my daughter, here is the problem. She wants to play against the best of the best. She is not satisfied with 3rd bracket. My son is fine with that and does not care, and he is a great soccer player. I get that parents get in the middle, but usually for good reason. Yes you have the parents reliving through their kids. You also have the players that are hungry and making their own mark at this age grouping. They are becoming adults and making their own decisions. Where I strongly disagree with 643 is that US soccer has not screwed it up. it is actually ridiculous to have National League, ERL, EDP, JAGS, NPL, ECNL and now DA. This in itself is just a massive, massive problem. ECNL should have became DA or something like that. JAGS should go away, but 2-3 years ago in JAGS you played the current DA teams, or ECNL teams.
the GFA01 coach had a huge ego and ruined the team over time.
12:01 that is what us soccer allowed to occur; the emergence of the da without eliminating or consolidating the other leagues. it is the governing party of soccer in our country. it could or should step in and make the system a lot better. the pyramid is out of control.
agreed. as an above poster noted 2-3 yrs ago various leagues were relevant. multiple changes have occurred since then biggest being GDA. there is an oversaturation of leagues anymore. just like us soccer mandated the move to birth year, it should mandate the consolidation of various leagues.
12:48 A BIG YES!!!
I disagree - I think, I don't think we need to consolidate, just be a little more organized when it comes to Elite soccer. I hate using Elite sorry.I believe you need JAGS, PAGS, WAGS, NEP, EDP & CCL to name a few. Some teams just don't want to travel and there is nothing wrong with that. I agree US Club and USYS should play nice.Would love to see the below 12 teams duke it out at one event.4 National league Division champs, NPL final 4, ECNL final 4Oh yeah this event should be at a GDA event. This would give the USSF other options as well and be great for the Colleges.Just my 2 cents.
12:01 (6:43 here) I fully understand that your daughter wants to play the best so she can be fully challenged. But do you think driving to Virginia to beat a team 6-0, or PF's beating the the Cedar Stars 8-0 qualifies as that? I didn't say absolve US Soccer of blame, they are a big part of this mess and of course will never own up to it (although they will most likely start another league). What I did say is that we as parents feed into it, often without thinking it all the way through. 12:41 posted a good point regarding consolidation of leagues, but what really is needed (but many parents would scream) is regionalization regarding how far a player may travel. I only say this because if you want US Soccer to step in and be tyrannical in its approach to consolidation of leagues and fix what was suppose to be a pyramid building system, it would also need to regionalize. 12:41 is correct in saying the pyramid is out of control, at this point it's just blocks thrown here and there. Good stuff guys
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