Saturday's outlookSky Blue - PDA U-16/17 1FC Virginia U-16/17 4PA Classics U-16/17 0Washington Spirit Academy - Baltimore Armour U-16/17 2Penn Fusion Soccer Academy U-16/17 5Virginia Development Academy U-16/17 1Washington Spirit Academy - Virginia U-16/17 1Cedar Stars Academy - Monmouth U-16/17 1
12:27 (I am the 8:09 poster) You have a good point about the girls side having a true pyramid, and maybe it will just take a few years "flush out". My worry is the every changing landscape the girls side suffer through every two or three years. There's always a new set of letters on which a higher standard will be achieved and somewhat delusional parents hoping to achieve it, all while living vicariously through their daughter. While the thought process of a pyramid and steps to higher levels of success is a perfect way to run our U.S Soccer Program, some clubs are better at running a pyramid scheme. Good posting back and forth with you 12:27. You proved your points well. 10:17 You really should just worry about coaching your team at PF and running the club. MANY LEVELS OF D1??? REALLY? Two kids playing in college and nobody told me? Damn it!! I knew I should have talked to you first because you know everything!! Give some credit to the posters on this blog and pretend they know that already. Funny how you don't mention that to your players and parents when your telling them about their D1 opportunities. All butterflies and rainbows at those meetings.
11:47 - not a coach, not in this sport anyway, but good try. yeah, i've had kids through it as well. oh and i'm 10:27 too. the same poster you are enjoying the back and forth. so there's that.
just trying to share experiences and learning as well. i don't proclaim to be an expert. i save that for others.
8:09 did a great job. Agreed, 100%
1:26 I guess I enjoy the part of you that post with logic and probable numbers. The 10:27 post is and emotional post that comes from a parent that's either doing Tino's laundry or is a coach themselves. Good luck to your daughter the rest of the year and we'll see where this ends up around mid-April
Or a parent who just wants to teach kids respect for opponents. Maybe some parents can learn as well. Well, gotta go fight the bad guys. I know posting can be rough, but there are other things much tougher. Stay safe all.
PF definitely the big winner this weekendDon't write off PAC just yet....
OK let's be real THERE ARE NO ATHLETIC FULL RIDES FOR WOMENS SOCCERhttp://www.athleticscholarships.net/sports-scholarships/head-count-versus-equivalency-scholarships.htmHead count scholarship sports are Football (DI FBS only), Basketball (DI men’s and women’s), Tennis (DI women only), Gymnastics (DI women only) and Volleyball (DI women only).Granted probably very few girls may be able to swing the athletic/academic full ride but there are no full rides for soccer.
My friend was at a coaches meeting and mentioned a conversation she overheard. A coach was bragging how he used his influence and told ODP to NOT take certain players from his team or he will pull the club's support all together. He didn't want his stars to get hurt and instead made the kids think they were not good enough to make the team. He said parents spy and report who is at each tryout session. He also said that it is harder to collect GS points if you have too many ODP players because you get bumped up into harder flights at tournaments.
Sounds like your friend the coach should keep her mouth shut.Did you tell her you were going to blog about it?If a club is still chasing GS points, they are beyond help anyway
Hey 12:25 am; i'm 10:27. Exactly. Just a parent who wants the kids to respect their peers, including opponents. Thank you for your support! And thank you for keeping us safe.
12:25 - agreed. sounds like a good (sic) club/team. let's not play tough competition to get better. sounds made up, i hope.
http://www.pennfusion.org/home/937372.htmlSo 65 out of 6000 players have been called into the USNT training. 1.08%
You realize the season hasn't started, right? They may have other ideas coming up. There will be id training camps from GDA like ECNL used to have.
I don't get the chirping, still. DA is the highest level of US women's soccer. And USSF is supporting it's product 100%.EVERY NWSL game is advertising it; EVERY Sr. NT game is advertising it. End of story.
12:43Perhaps you should read this again...here it is...read s l o w l y and you'll find that it doesn't say what you said. "More than 92 percent of players selected to Youth National Teams in the 2016-17 cycle came from Academy clubs, and 65 players from the most recent Women's and Girls' YNT roster call-ups will feature in the Academy this season."
2:19,I ain't no math wiz (Wish I could post the Calvin and Hobbes picture) but its smoke an mirrors on the numbers. There are 4 YNT girls teams at 20-25 players each (team not Training camp or pool). So at most 100 girls 92 % is being generous with 66 being the absolute traceable #. The point I so clearly made is that out of the 6000 girls registered in the DA program only 65 have made it to a YNT squad (historically)So basically 1.08 % of currently rostered players will make a YNT. Yes, possibly good training, and yes possibly D1 looks but don't promise steak and give me spam.
They will probably expand out the amount of invites for training camps and player pool looks. Otherwise, many kids won't want to make the commitment despite the high level training. They will go to trainers that fit into their schedules in their areas.
Did he say POSSIBLY D1 looks?Whattttt?
I know. But, it's not worth trying to figure out. highest level; and some believe "possibly." can't help em. so, let it go. let it go.
OK Possible High D1 offers. the DA is just another money machine for the clubs. It's like buying into a good franchise. DA may be the chik fil A of soccer. But the local management and staff make up the final product. If US Soccer can manage down to the club level and not be all about marketing and product awareness then it will surpass ECNL. That was one of the reasons we left the ECNL, it was more marketing than substance for the $$. It was very Disney like in trying to wring every dollar out of your pocket. Lets see how tomorrow goes. Settle it on the field.
US Soccer is managing down to the club level. They are regularly visiting our clubs and are scouting players to call up. They are training our trainers and she is watching the progress her region. I know you all like to bash it, but it is working as advertised. Without a single game being played yet we already see great cooperation between the club and us soccer. We expect some growing pains the first year but it will only get better for the youngsters at the U14 and U15 level. At U17 it is a bit late in the game but we are hoping the DA will raise our daughters stock and hopefully level of scholarship $'s for the commit we already have.
5:37 WOW - You think players are playing for DA clubs and will turn down an invite to play/train in pools selected for NT players? More like many will not be invited. At this point spending extra money on training is a waste of time. That money should be going to ID camps of schools they want to attend if you are spending the money.3:12 I agree with everything you said. Just playing in the DA is no guarantee. BUT, it is an advantage. The first question any soccer mind will ask a player after they say they play for a DA club is? You are on the DA team? If they say Yes then they think the player is exactly what they think a DA player is before they get to know the player. If they say NO, it's a little bit of a disappointment as they wonder why the player is not on the first team.
8:24 AM 3:12 here, I think your last statement is true but unfair to players. To me it is a lazy approach to think the DA emblem discounts anyone who is not a member. In my line of work there is the thought that if you graduate from a certain school or level of school the resume is scanned and the interviews are set, discounting the other candidates. But I have found that those not on the scanned list are sometimes a much better fit because they have worked through different circumstances to get to where they are. I see the same thing with a number of players, in many sports, that may not have taken the prescribed path but are the starters in college or even in the pros. Remember it's the fight in the dog not always the pedigree that wins.
If you do not have a D1 verbal by now, stop wasting time and money looking for one. Those rosters are already set baring an injury or academic ineligibility from their first choice. Being a walk-on is your only bet for a D1 without a verbal by U17. Most D1 schools are recruiting for their 2021 & 2022 frosh class now. Move your focus to a D2 scholarship or D3 grant money if you have the grades. I know it is hard to believe but if you don't have interest by now, little Susie is not good enough. If Susie is a star that everyone seemed to overlook. Have her blow up the D2 school scoring record and then transfer to the D1 holey grail next year.
9:49 I agree 8:24 here. It is a lazy approach. I'm not saying discounts - I'm just saying we are all human. And if given a fair opportunity it is the dog with more fight that wins. Youth Soccer isn't fair. Colleges are fair, problem is sometimes they fill their spots before they see the best candidates and that's just how it is. Like I said I agree with you but life isn't always fair.9:52 interesting go to TopDrawer, Soccerwire, the Google document or the USYS Regional/Nation leagues or USYS Tournaments and you will see not to many 2019 have verbals and there are even less 2020s.But you believe what you want.
9:52 only top level schools have completed their lists. And, even those are willing to look at a kid that is new to the scene and/or much improved. But your suggestion about going to a jr college or DII and doing well and then considering a transfer isn't a bad option either. I know a kid that did that with jr college (family member was very ill and child wanted to stay close by). So, kid went to jr college, school/program was one of the top in country, had great coaching, great experience, took some classes and earned credits at bargain rate and then had DI offers. It worked out. As the other poster noted and I totally agree, it's the fight in the dog not the pedigree. Enjoy the holiday weekend all.
10:23 - is the google doc still being used? maybe i am looking at an old one.
Some stats from an open source (USYS NL) of the players with Verbals42% are Midfielders37% are Forwards16% are Defenders5% are Goalies72% are 2019s28% are 2020sSchoolsBinghamton UniversityBrigham Young UniversityButler UniversityCalifornia State University, FullertonCentral Michigan UniversityClemson UniversityEastern Washington UniversityFlorida State UniversityGrand Valley State UniversityIllinois State UniversityIndiana University-Purdue University, Fort WayneLoyola Marymount UniversityMiami University (Ohio)Northern Kentucky UniversityOhio UniversitySaint Louis UniversityUniversity of Arkansas, FayettevilleUniversity of CincinnatiUniversity of FloridaUniversity of KansasUniversity of MichiganUniversity of Missouri, Kansas CityUniversity of Nebraska at OmahaUniversity of ToledoUniversity of WashingtonUnlistedUtah Valley University
Re: transfers from JUCOCheck the U of Florida transfer who came in from ASA (NY)Mad highlight reel on Youtube - big stats - and voila!It will be interesting to see how she develops
"......raise the level of scholarship $$ for the commits we already have"So, this is how it works - you accept (COMMIT) a school's pitch - WITH a $$ figure attached, ------ then it can go up but likely not down?Or are players acceptimg (COMMITTING) without any value to the scholarship at all?Thanks. Any input appreciated from those in the know/in the process.For I had read somewhere reputable that some players hold BACK on their commitment - hoping to get a HIGHER # (percentage) from the school.
9:52 AMWhy is that we see top schools still signing (giving commitments to) 2018s as well as 2019s?Are you saying those announcements are fake news?Fact is schools are still waiting on some 2019s..... and this puts other 2019s in a holding pattern at those schools (as in they may get an OFFER if the better player commits elsewhere)Oh, yeah - and dont be such a turd, if you can help it.
7:43 it's negotiating. of course, some may hold back to try to up the ante, but it also can come back to haunt you. as others have posted, coaches, just like the kids, are not just looking at one option. if there are a few recruits that are very similar all looking at a certain school and the school is interested as well, the school may take their offer off the table if another recruit accepts, first. you have to do what works for you and your family. if you like the offer, why not take it? if you don't then table it and continue to look. but don't be surprised or saddened if they move on. it's a business; it not personal.
Good job by some the DA teams today, playing through the wet conditions and getting their games in. Just the beginning of a new path for a couple of these committed standouts.
Wow they were so good! They played in wet conditions! Nobody ever played a game in the rain before , really you can say that these girls are special. Lol just shut up.
'... a new path for a couple of these committed standouts." Not even sure what you mean. Are they all on the same path, only the committed one, or only a couple of the committed ones?And yeah they played in rain. That's really impressive. what did you expect them to do, stay in the car and refuse to take the field? They played in rain, just like every other soccer team who has a game scheduled on turf on a rainy day. So impressive.Free advice, don't post anymore, you're making a fool of yourself. - DA parent, by the way.
9:42 You are such an angry guy. And who cares if your a DA parent? Does that make you special in some way or above other parents on here that are not? Your daughter may be special and a great player, you on the other hand are showing that you are a control freak and must be a real joy to be around. By saying "the beginning of a new path", I was talking about the few that might be able to take this all the way to a Women's National team berth. It was a compliment, but obviously you are very edgy right now need a hug from your wife and have a need for her tell you "it's okay dear". Why don't you stay away from the computer or you phone for a few minutes and go line up the towels perfectly in the bathroom or the soup cans in the kitchen. You may not be able to control your daughter's destiny like you wish, but those items you can.
9:42 you are right 100%.
Well look at that 9:42, your wife came on the blog to pat you on the back and give you a verbal hug. Now that you two are done with your lovefest.Hats off to the talented players who waited their turn to get into yesterdays games and the parents that didn't bitch about it. Some of the players that were subbed in, actually received more minutes that the starters. 9:42 you don't know any parents that were grumbling on the side lines, do you? You know, the ones that seem angry all the time.8:57 Be ready to jump in with another pat on the back and verbal hug
DA girls are really something else. So proud of them ! They played in the rain! The fields were wet but they didn't stop! Lol. And the parents are also special ! They didn't complain about the weather! Wow I guess you really selected the special ones . Lol . Did cedar stars play?lol .
It was a typhoon type rain at times. I have seen play suspended in other games for this amount of rain; in particular in ECNL. Not saying they deserve bravery medals, but it does make for dicey play.
I guess we found US Soccer's limitation as far as what it can control. The weather. Refs were very good; a nice surprise.
Not sure how the Breakers and FC Stars game played out, but there were some seriously lopsided scores this weekend. Looks like it will take awhile for some coaches to figure out how to best use their talented players.
How did PA classics do? No score posted yet .
1-0 Spirit over PAC. Game was very even and very aggressive. It could’ve gone either way.
That 1-0 win is totally attributed to spirit's fees that are more than double that of classics...I think one of the spirit coaches even has an accent...:)
I think the pay is prorated by how heavy the accent is and how many words the players and parents can't understand.
Thanks for the updates, guysI am going to guess that at least those 4 teams (PAC, Spirit - WAS, PDA and FC Virginia) will be competitive with each other.We will wait and see on the others.
Agree with your assessment, all except for maybe PDA. PAC U19 team is really short on players and will constantly have to take better players from the younger team. I'm not sure how much it will hurt them as they do have a huge roster of 01/02s. If anything, it will mean more minutes and chances to shine for other players.
There absolutely are full scholarships. My kid has one and in fact the school is paying her (us) $5000 in "cost of attendance". Yes womens Soccer is a sport with 14 full scholarships to divide up among the players. But some get all paid and others none.
looks like some schools were decimated.http://www.nj.com/hssn-mms/2017/09/which_girls_will_be_playing_ac.html
New question that no one addressed...where there any college coaches on the sidelines this past weekend?I thought that was one of the draws of DA?
You'll rarely see any Colleges out at these games in the Fall due to their lengthy commitments with their own program.
true but this was part of the sales pitch at our clubmany schools have multiple coaches, one of them can leave.I guess you have to be part of the match that gda decides to stream live....btw, the score of sky blue game is not true measure of the game as usual. game was very even back and forth, fc va looked good at times
8:43 PM I am calling BS on this, if it is true please do not publish the school name as this is most likely an NCAA rules violation. She is not on a full athletic ride, most likely she qualified for additional grants that the coach was able to funnel to the program. My daughter is fortunate to have received scholarships and grants but there is an art to balancing a program across 4 years for a non-headcount sport, using a full ride (which if it exists is year to year) on a single player weakens the pool. Plus if it is all athletic money, whose to say the coach doesn't pull it her Jr. year to entice the incoming freshman.
8:43 and 10:55 did your kid have to register with the NCAA prior to being made these offers? Doesn't the NCAA have to determine they are eligible first?
12:26,10:55 here, she did register via the clearinghouse.
Skyblue - pda supposedly posted video of the games on the web. You can watch the video and see if there are college coaches.
10:55 I with you on the bullshit call. Coaches are extremely clever at coming up with grant money combined with a scholarship money.
haha agreed. my older daughter was late to the sport and was actually playing a different sport as her primary but tired of it. when we were doing the college thing, some colleges actually created scholarships (supported by academics) to give her because some of their budgeted sports money was already allocated (i.e., a presidential scholarship; a citizenship scholarship; etc.). So both combined worked as far as helping her expenses and out of pocket obligations. When she graduated, she had less than $12,000 in student loans for 5 yrs of college (red-shirted a yr), and a very nice degree from a very good school. My feeling, how ever the bean counters at the school arrive at the bottom line $$ works for me as long as the $$ works.
This weekend's scores:Cedar Stars Academy - Monmouth U-16/17 2Virginia Development Academy U-16/17 0FC Virginia U-16/17 3Washington Spirit Academy - Baltimore Armour U-16/17 1Sky Blue - PDA U-16/17 3Washington Spirit Academy - Virginia U-16/17 1PA Classics U-16/17 0Penn Fusion Soccer Academy U-16/17 4
..says a nobody.
Nope says, "Anonymous." Nobody is on a different blog. :)
Hey 4:06, give me your cell. I'll call you and introduce myself so we can be friends and not just "nobody"Thanks
So many weak teams in this DA . Cedsr stars didn't even show their rosters . That is how bad they are .
Are they live-streaming another DA game this weekend?
7:49 Let me guess, your kid couldn’t make the DA? Don’t worry I’m sure she’s a high school soccer star. That’s not hard to accomplish this year.
The pompous asses are awake....
http://njsa.ussoccerda.com/sam/teams/index.php?team=3938600Looks like a roster to me.
fake news is everywhere...
Nope - just hard to stay healthy, 7:56Best to all the HS "stars" in their quest to stay on the pitch and continue (HS only or college) in a game they love.
8:43 PM I am calling BS on this, if it is true please do not publish the school name as this is most likely an NCAA rules violation. She is not on a full athletic ride, most likely she qualified for additional grants that the coach was able to funnel to the program. My daughter is fortunate to have received scholarships and grants but there is an art to balancing a program across 4 years for a non-headcount sport, using a full ride (which if it exists is year to year) on a single player weakens the pool. Plus if it is all athletic money, whose to say the coach doesn't pull it her Jr. year to entice the incoming freshman.September 6, 2017 at 10:55 AMDude you are just wrong. Are you aware that the Power 5 conferences have a certain amount of autonomy afforded them by the NCAA? They threatened to pull out and become independent association and the NCAA gave them some independence.https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/power-5-leagues-pass-cost-of-attendance-proposal-dont-stop-there/Two of the important decisions were to allow the school to "pay" a player the cost of attendance usually around $5000. The other was to guanrantee awards for 4 years hence I am not worried my child's scholarship and COA will be pulled because the coach wants to "pull it her Jr. year to entice the incoming freshman"In complete answer to your ill advised "whose to say the coach doesn't pull it her Jr. year to entice the incoming freshman", my answer is the Power 5 LOA (letter of intent). These types of offers are usually extended to top players in ninth or early 10th grade. Hence I am sure there are others who are aware they not only exist but are the fortunate recipients. Don't go around spouting information you have garnered from your own small experience that does not apply to others in differing circumstances.Its no NCAA violation to offer a full ride and COA. You clearly don't understand the rules that are specific to all Power 5 conferences. Read up and stop displaying your ignorance. Especially if you are polluting younger blogs.
My child's schoalrship is one of the 14 total allowed. Yes in soccer as in all equivalency sports they can divide up the scholarships if they choose to. In my kid's case they chose not to divide and gave her the coa. Some get 100% others get 0% and many get in between... We don't have to apply to financial aid or for any non athletic scholarships. She was offered this before she had a full year of highschool grades so no academics were considered. And she was offered more than 1...Yes its unusual, but lower level power 5s frequently try and entice top players with these offers. They are less common in top 5 teams.
September 8 12:17 - and anyone elseI have a questionA team has 6 "commits" from the 2019 high school grad class.They have 14 scholarships total to give. This is to cover freshman for 2023 college grad class, sophs (2022), juniors (2021) and seniors (2020). And the occasional 5th year player.What do these girls have in hand with this commitment? A percentage guarantee, for committing? As in, for exxample - "we would like you to play for us and we can give you a 25% scholarship". Or, "we would love for you to play here and can offer a full scholarship plus a cost of attendance equaling $5000". Or somewhere in between.If so..Are you telling me that players with 2 years to go til college are COMMITTING when only given 25%? Do they commit to have this in hand, as a worst case scenario, then continue to seek other offers? I have also heard players commit and then negotiate the %, sometimes not signing on Signing Day due to this bartering still going on.Does anyone know of an example of this?What to do then.......if you get a Division 1 offer - very flattering in itself, but are not thrilled with the percentage. If you say NO, they may very well move on. If you say YES - should you still be looking - or should you get all the swag and hope for some reason you can get a percentage increase before actually signing.Further - are there schools telling you they can give 25/33/50 % - and that you can still chase some academic money at the school as well?Thus - at a 60K institution, you get a 50% "ride". You are at 30K, still a huge NUT. You see no way of being able to swing this. BUT........maybe your kid is a 1400+ SAT, 4.0 type. Are you COMBINING, always - the athletic WITH the academic? Are they awarded at different times - and by different divisions of the school - or deos the coach take care of finding the academic money based on your current GPA (which you'd need to keep up) and your current or target SAT? Could your 50% become 75, even 100%, while counting just as a 1/2 scholarship against your team's total?I have been to a half dozen "college nights" given by top soccer clubs - and you know what - they never quite answer this.Thanks
My daughter has the scholarship(s) you describe. Not sure how it is allocated as far as final breakdown. Coach put package together and gave us the info. It's a 95% scholarship, including books. I think they get their AD to come up with the formula and find the funds for kids they want. She had several other offers that were full scholarships too so that may have helped but the schools were not what she wanted academically or location. Hope this is helpful. I agree. Most of this is hush, hush. And each situation is different depending on HER wants and needs as well.
From the most part players at a D1 school often get academic scholarships thrown in so the Coach can give a bit less. I know of examples where it's 30% from the coaches budget and 30-40% due to academics. It's rare to have players who get a full ride just on the coaches budget.Also if you say outright NO to an offer due to the money being offered then you'd better be certain your daughter is wanted by that coach A LOT. If not they will simply move on, they have long lists and will just keep ticking off players.
All this talk about Classics being the lesser of the PA teams and Penn Fusion wins 2-1. I said they don't have a better brand than PDA but they do have a better brand than Penn Fusion. Penn Fusion had the benefit of the ECNL brand helping with their recruiting gone is that advantage. Their worst night mare would be if Delco or Bucks also became GDA since they also have a better brand. But that's an 'IF this" game.2:37 How do you not know how it's allocated? You let your kid agree to something without reading the fine print? Oh boy.10:26 I agree I don't care if it's need based + merit + athletic as long as it adds up to 100% and the athletic piece can adjust if Family income changes and grades drop.12:32 So you make good money and your kid doesn't have the grades? Every kid is considered for merit scholarships as a freshman.What is this COA and how are they given out?
Not sure this is a true assessment. What I heard is that PF intentionally didn't play/stack it's team for these games. Reserves started or played entire game to get in the required GDA playing time and starting time. It 's a balancing act in GDA. Unlike other leagues all the players must get a percentage of playing time, including starting time.
7:59 - well the final amount works quite well. And, i'm quite satisfied. With a potential nut of $280,000 and our obligation of $14,000 TOTAL ($3,500 per year), i would say fine print is just fine.
10:38They played their top scorers and mids (top D1 commits) the whole game. Nice try with the excuses.
10:38That is so comical. I thought I wouldn't see these kind of posts again since U14 blog...
@10:38 - got it. so that's why time played is in the scoreboards. i thought it was to make it more official, but i guess it is also to make it trackable. would be nice if the other leagues adopted the same rule. then clubs would have to step up their overall development game.
11:26 no excuses. that is what i was told. they had some change ups in positions; line ups and some kids didn't play entire game or see any playing time that normally would. think what you want.
Kudos to Classics for making a former ECNL playoff team sweat. This board owes you more respect than what’s been given obviously.
sure. hahahaha. sure.
11:38why is it important to you or anyone what this board thinks? if the team feels good about it, then that is all that matters. they played a good game and are happy with their result. end of story.
Not important to me guy, amusing is a better word. Simply an observation since summer on this board. I like when an underdog makes trash talkers eat their words. Enjoy your day.
enjoy your's as well.
11:59 - who was trash talking? i don't see any post where any PF person was taunting or trash talking about the game. i think it meant more to classics. congrats to them. and some kids from the ECNL champs league team, if that is the barometer, aren't even rostered to play yet.
Half the ones you saw on the field will be sitting the bench come December. You will see a different game next season.
If you feel like searching back to pre season (summer), I do not, I’m sure you’ll find the trash talk I’m speaking of. As far as today I simply see excuses about lesser players taking to the field.
12:52So the best players will take a breather after December?WTH are you talking about?Or are you admitting that PF has too many on the roster and will be joined by the HS players who were given a waiver to play both?
i'm simply making an observation of many rosters. there are some kids that are playing hs that will may make a difference. that's all. you can twist it as you wish. and yes, these kids will get playing time too whether they come back top level players or not. I think that is how it is supposed to work. i am sure classics will have to do this as well; unless they have been doing this already too. it's part of the deal.
1:03no thanks. i'm new to this and don't have the time or desire to back track. i'll rely on your recollection.
1;18 I am not sure what you are saying? what do you mean a lot of kids? isn't the allowable amount 22-26? i am not saying that at all as far as some kids sitting after december. in fact some of the switches are happening so they don't sit in important or challenging games.
oh, i saw the 12:52 post. i'm not that poster. i don't agree with that; but all teams are different for sure. maybe some squads do have 1/2 their top team playing hs w/waivers. i have found a 50/50 split as far as private school kids (the waiver ones) still playing hs. it depended on their grade level it seems.
The players who are currently playing HS ball are all strong players. They will return to see major minutes and it will make a difference. Some playing now will see a significant drop in playtime. It’s the DA not rec soccer.
Regarding the college scholarship questionsYes kids are accepting 25% or even less if its the school they want and that's what's offered. They can get low amount kids easily they are pretty interchangeable with large populations. Yes if you wait it may go to someone else. Sometimes they actually give you a deadline.Its usually broken down into 1Tuition2housing and food 9although all D1 athletes at least power 5 get free food now)3books and fees4Cost of attendanceThe offer can be presented as 25%That would generally be 25% of the costs of each of the top three and 25% of the payment to the student of the COA.It could be we will pay 100% of tuition fees/books and COA and you pay the R&BCOuld be 100% of everything but we keep the COA for someone else who can use the cash.Any need based financial aid counts as athletic scholarship. SO no kid who could qualify for 100% need based will get athletic money in an equivalency sport. Alternatively none of the merit scholarships count against the athletic amount. One of my kids got 100% athletic but then qualified for 50% merit by achieving a high ACT we essentially gave back 50% of the scholarship to use to attract another player.The COA is calculated by each school. This year most of the power 5s were around $5000 but I heard a rumor it would go up to $7000 soon. That's good for us.There is nothing in writing before the kid signs the legally binding LOI. However, it is VERY unusual for a college to back out of a verbal deal. A few years ago UNC pulled a NJ kids scholarship to get a "better" kid who didn't get into Stanford at the ninth hour. But that's UNC. Most schools realize they would get a black eye and spoil recruiting for some time if they did this. Most ADs take a different approach and at least honor senior commits when they hire a new coach. Sometimes a verbal for a younger kid is nullified when a new coach comes in figuring the kid has time to secure another offer.
2:14 - i think it's a team to team thing. i would not make a universal statement. i know some kids playing hs that will have a tough time when they come back. but there are definitely some that will fit right in.
3:31 - agree. there are some schools that have done that new coach and pulled scholarships of older kids. Kiids turned off as far as even visiting. Or force outs by not playing older kids. Same thing.
Thanks 3:31As far as the NEED based dollars go.......Say we qualify for 50% need based - then we are GOOD if the school offers 50% athletic. correct? The 2 dont affect one another?For at a 60K institution, NEEDING 50% means they give 30But that 60K was REDUCED to 30K by the athletic number. Would they adjust the NEED to 50% of 30K - and thus make us pay 15?By the way, based on NEED we sit better going to an IVY -a s far as what we'd pay - given no athletic dollars. Many dont know this. If you can "WALK ON" (have that confidence) at an Ivy and are middle class - and can get accepted, this may be a great way to go.
just a suggestion. reach out to the financial aid department of the school that made the offer to your daughter. without giving too many specifics, ask them. they process the paperwork and would be able to help you with your questions. as far as your ivy thing, she would need to be admitted and financial aid in place to be an enrolled student to even have the ability to walk on. she can get recruited to play at an ivy and the will evaluate all your paperwork as far as academics and finances. there is no easy way around any of this. But saving some $$$ is worth it.
Well, yeah, I'd think the decision is made to attend the Ivy, and then to walk on if admitted. Helps of course if their staff is already familiar with you to some extent.Fallback on not getting admitted is of course set up as well (safe school, second choice, etc) - and possibly even with a better soccer outlook.
The HS waiver varies uuugely club to club.I'd hope it's bc of private schools/financial aid commitment etc...
5:01 No sorry it doesn't work like that. If the 30k was met with MERIT scholarship you can ADD athletic to it. 30k athletic plus 30k merit equals all expenses covered and usually (unless specifically withheld for another player) 50% of COA in a power 5. Think of it this wayFinancial aid (FA) is, as you say, determined by your need. Say the FA office determines your contribution to be 30k at a 60k school. That is to say, they think you can pay 30k toward your kid's education. If your child then receives a 50% athletic schoalrship (let's make it easy and say its 50% of the 60k) then you are left with the 30k bill that FA has determined that you can pay. So no need based aid is offered. You cannot add FA grants to athletic grants without the FA counting against the total 14 scholarships. So let's say the school determines that you can pay only 10k of the 60k and are therefore your child is awarded 50k in need based aid. She is also offered a 50% athletic scholarship. If you accept the 50% athletic and your residual calculated need is therefore 20K and you accept the additional 20k in FA then the NCAA will "charge" the soccer program with 83% (5/6) of an athletic scholarship for your child regardless of the department's expenditure of only 33%. Hence the reality will be that the soccer program will tell you to take the need based aid and withdraw the athletic scholarship to "spend" on another player.Now some of the bigger sports school also have endowed scholarships that can wind up in the hands of athletes parents. These are awarded for "leadership" potential and other such fluff. Its also how the D3s that aren't on a full need based FA schedule get kids money.
Funny stuffSo you are saying the athletic scholarship don't mean d*ck - in your example.Student athlete pays 30K of the 60 whether a walk on or a recruited athlete at 50%.I see now how they get so many on the roster. Some players that are 50% types by TALENT LEVEL are counting ZERO vs the scholarship figure.
May as well go to the better school at the same price - and not play, rather than to a lesser academic school that wants you to play soccer - if they arent making it worth your whileNo additional money as a recruited athlete - if your NEED is already being met? Johnny Blow down the street, a non athlete with the same income, goes for the same tag?Such crap.
Used to be a guy around who got inside scoop on accepted teams at tournaments...are you out there fella?Looking for early casl list...
I wonder with CASL, DA, Disney, who would be at CASL this year? Will it be watered down in other words. Plus National league has something in January this year.
Agreed. Even CASL ECNL won't be at CASL; they are part of NC Courage, now. The whole system is up in the air as far as tournaments, teams, sites, etc. What a mess!
Well the FA award is likely at most schools excluding Ivy's and a few others to be a combination of grants and loans. Hence the athletic is usually a better deal (of course Ivy's don't have athletic scholarships) . Most people take the athletic money to avoid loans. However the coach may pull the athletic if your kid qualified for more aid and accepts any FA because it could turn his 50% off into a 80% offer. Most coaches google the family. Know what the parents do. Look at the house on zillion etc to understand how the offer should be made.
Well..........we will be at CASL, along with at least 3 other teams.Good way to finish the pre Christmas run.
There are still many skilled players who aren't playing DA and will be playing in these showcases...I think I even heard at least 1 DA team doing DisneySorry!#mydaughterplaysdaandisbetterthanyours
@8:39Assuming we are talking D1 non Ivy...if they pull the athletic and leave only the FA then isn't the kid essentily a walk on? No athletic money means no national letter of intent so nothing really binding her to the program. Unless its an extremely attractive school that soccer is the only way in then I don't see many kids finding this route attractive. In my experience most schools will ask parents to fill out financials...sort of like a FAFSA light questionair so that the school can come up with the right balance of athletic and FA to make up an amount that will make the parents happy and not mess up their head count $$ allotment.
807 That's true. If the kid was highly regarded by all but the top 10 they are getting 100% athletic. If their budget is for 50% They will not risk a 70% hit because the kid takes 20% FA. Absolutely, they will indeed work with he FA office to make sure the balance is at least 50% grant to equal the athletic offered. Probably will end up being even more grant than that. Yes the kid can go get the same amount probably at another school, but the grant balance will likely be less unless they are choosing a full grant school. Walk on implies not recruited. There is a category of kids called recruited walk ons. They are no schoalrship kids who are offered roster spots during the recruiting process. The kid we are talking about would clearly be more highly regarded since they were willing to spend .5 scholarship on her. Correct no LOI. There is a fake one they pen up for recruited walk ons, Ivy's and D3s. Its something like a letter of committment or something. But no true financial contract would be drawn up. If the parents financial status were to change for the better and the kid was successful, the coach may then offer athletic instead of FA if the amount were greater to keep the kid later on. Similar to the offers from top soccer schools where they offer less than 100% to top recruits and say they will increase it if they are successful- starter, more than 50% PT, freshman all conference etc.
7:57 why so angry? are you the same angry poster around the same time previously calling out parents watching their or friends kids? maybe decaf w/o sugar?
8:19 we never had to fill out any financial info prior to any of our offers. we didn't fill out anything. they just came; watched her play and made offers. is this common? now I am understanding everyone's angst.
7:57- You are correct. Penn Fusion is going to Disney but only taking their non committed players and will include players who may not be on the Winter DA showcase roster.
Thanks for the discussion of FA vs athletic, guysIf all this is true we just eliminated a BOATLOAD of schools from our list - and D3 (better academic. less soccer load) is starting to really appeal to us.Time to focus on where we can get the most academic $$, though I guess that works the same way.Looking to pay 10-20 K, so what are our options, really? Greater than 50% at a D1 - 50% at a state-based D1........or ......any D3 where we could go for that number.D2 may now have appeal. Hadnt looked that way.
8:19Why would a coach increase a scholarship after year 1 or 2?Just to satisfy a recruiting promise? To avoid a player transferring?Are players actually NEGOTIATING the following year's number as they are playing?
not 8:19 but sometimes the coaches increase as other older kids come off scholarship, it's very common. also, it's kind of the carrot in front of the player, too. conversely, they can decrease, too, if kids aren't serious about their commitments to school and program, if they fail to maintain academics, etc. at this point, it's on them entirely. welcome to the adult world 101.
206 and 257Yes they frequently up a scholarship of an impact player especially when brought into a top 5 type school. The school and program were enough to entice the kid and the coach is "spending" his scholarships on the kids who are proven to be able to contribute most. Again in power 5s they are not allowed to decrease the amount. That ibcentivises them to start lower and build up if the kid pans out or keep her relatively low if the kid doesn't. Again more common with highly desirable schools and programs. Yes a mid major can reduce the amount if the kid doesn't produce as expected.
they reduce the scholarship by not playing the kid in power 5's too. know a few kids that left after they saw less playing time after freshman year. fell out of favor with coach. it happens, even in power 5's.
The scholarship has nothing to do with play time. A Loi defined the award and ALL awards are guaranteed for 4 years in the power 5 I already posted the link. So sorry your understanding is mistaken
Mid majors cant get away with decreasing scholarships without a player breaking a code- but like the guy said - any coach can encourage a player to transfer by taking away PT.Transfer player = scholarship back to spend.
12:25 - not all D1 schools have you fill out a FA forms prior to an offer but it is a good practice so there are no surprises for the school or parents. It is common that a school has a % cap on what they can allot and with financial aid the total would exceed the cap. What would you do if you qualified for 60% FA and the school had to cut that down to 25% because at 60% they would excees the equivalency total? I have always said if your a great soccer player who is hard up economically your best bet is ivy or an academically excellent D3 because you won't have to deal with the above.
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9:15 not a misunderstanding. it happened. kids switched schools as a result of coaches games (power 5 a couple of them). with one, the girl stopped being able to travel with the team. the coach just wanted her out of the school/off the team to get back the scholarship. The squeeze play was successful; gal transferred with coach's blessing.
11:09 - agreed. i'm 12:25. However, she has a verbal commit for a nearly 100%. We aren't getting financial aid. Didn't know about the paperwork thing. It's a good idea, though. I'm still learning about the process through some of these posts. Will definitely pass along the info to friends.good stuff all.
11:37 here. forgot to add, it really traumatized the girl specifically referenced. she kept up grades, did whatever was requested as far as training, etc. she had a great first half of her freshman year even played in some big games, but switch went off and suddenly she was on wrong side of the coach's favor along with two other sophs. all of them transferred.
10:06 yep, being academically ineligible to compete would qualify as breaking the code.
Thoughts on the article below? I wish our club had allowed this....Seniors only...http://highschoolsports.nj.com/news/article/-3980606800377556925/seniors-take-advantage-of-academy-waivers-earn-one-last-run-in-high-school-girls-soccer/#incart_hssn-rr-1
1137Again you are saying the coached squeezed her out by being unpleasant and taking PT disallowing travel. That is different than pulling scholarships. Ultimately the kid CHOSE to switch schools and free up the scholarship. The rule is that the coach can't pull a schoalrship because a kid does not meet expectations. There is no rule against making a kid's life as miserable as possible hoping he does what your friend's kid did and leaves the school for hopefully better environment. if you look at TDS transfer list you see quite a lot of kids transferring from certain high level schools. They are well known for soing what you described to the kids who aren't cutting it by their standards. They are usually transferring to lesser P5s and mid majors. They probably are getting decent money in the swap and are hopefuilly a better fit for that level.
If you don't know this fact. A kid get's one "free transfer" in her school days. After the second she has to sit out a year. That said their are some conferences that require a sit out year if the transfer is intra conference.Amazing isn't it that the clubs don't explain this better? I learned this stuff on my own and referencing the actual rules. Also my older kid's college coaches were very helpful. They really understand the rules.There is a famous case of what you described regarding an alleged hazing incident and attempts to push out kids when Radwanski came to Clemson. But this again shows that he couldn't directly pull scholarships already awardedhttp://www.postandcourier.com/sports/ex-clemson-soccer-player-files-hazing-lawsuit/article_ebc9a00f-bb28-5ccd-8ab9-db3d28fb1b17.html
@6:33am And all other on blog. Read this article please. We all think we know everything, make money, have nice cars and houses, and WE KNOW WHAT IS BEST. Read the article: one excerpt "There's something about playing on the field with teammates you've grown up with and looking into the stands and seeing all of the families you've known all your life cheering you and the team on. That is something special that I didn't want to lose in my senior year. I wanted to hold onto that feeling as long as I could." - How can you stop girls or kids thinking this way. It is us parents that don't let them play HS, or think club Coaches know best and HS is no good. Read the article from the kids perspectives please:
11:47100%? I thought those didnt exist.
Sports that guarantee full-ride scholarshipsThere are certain sports that are called head count sports, this means all scholarships offered are full-rides (but not all athletes are on scholarship). These sports are all at the NCAA DI level and they are Men’s Basketball, Football (FBS only), Women’s Basketball, Women’s Tennis, Women’s Volleyball and Women’s Gymnastics. If you are offered a scholarship by a team competing at this level, it is going to be a full-ride.All other sports split up scholarship moneyAll other sports and division levels offer what are known as equivalency scholarships. This means a team has a set number of scholarships and the coach is free to divide those scholarships up as they see fit. For example, they might give three athletes 33% of a scholarship, rather than give only one athlete 100% of a scholarship. They do this so they can bring in more talented athletes. If you are looking for a full-ride scholarship from an equivalency sport, you are going to need to find the right situation as not all schools will even offer a full-ride.
9:49read 2 other quotes:"I will be able to finish my career at Colts Neck with this awesome team and also be a part of this inaugural year of the girl's Development Academy.""I think some of the DA (Development Academy) players that are opting to play for their high school is because, in most cases, they are in solid programs with some history and the girls want to continue to be a part of that. "Obviously no one interviewed girls that didn't request a waiver because their HS coach is a Social Sciences teacher in a neighboring district and they only have 5 other club girls on the team.Its great if you HS is solid, and you can get a waiver.
My daughter's team has an open weekend during an upcoming tournament so I was thinking about saying she's available to guest play on the tournament website. How anyone done this before and if so, could you tell me your experience? Is there an "etiquette" involved? For example, I hadn't planned to actively reach out to specific teams but would we be expected accept an offer from the first team to ask her to play, or can we say we're looking for a higher level team? Also, I fully expect priority to be given to the team's existing players but what's a reasonable expectation of playing time, assuming my daughter is at least as good the regular players?In case it's relevant to your answers, she's a very good player on a team that plays in the top flights of tourneys so we're not doing this for the college exposure as much of just getting her out playing some more.
8:03 that is what happened. coach and not one in article took away PT, didn't allow travel, etc. and there were other kids from other schools that did same thing. as you noted, somewhat forcing them to transfer.
9:54 - nope, they do. I have found out how rare they are.
100% soccer scholarships definitely exists. Coaches are slicing and dicing their 14 scholarships to try and entice the best layers for the least "cost". Some 33% some 0% some 100% and every permutation in existence is present across the country's teams. That said some coaches have certain strategies depending on the relative attractiveness of the college and program in combination.
10:53I think the only reason to do extra tournaments with teams other than her own IS for the exposure.Why place your daughter at injury risk?You ask about etiquette. I think the first unwritten rule would be to get your own club's blessing.Beyond that - I think your behavior in the matter, whether you want to wait for better offers and if you want to ask how much she will play - is all up to you.We were considering the same at one time - my approach would have been to first see which teams I knew were on the list, contact them if I was comfortable with their projected flighting. THEN if no bites open it up to all other teams - and yes, take the first one to call.Never went through with it - but for EXPOSURE I think it is a great idea - and one your club should embrace if you word it to them that way.
I would say "reasonable" expectation of playing time would be HALF.
my kid did this several times. Once as a younger player because older sibling was playing and was going to be dragged along anyway.Twice in ninth grade for the exposure to an event her team was not playing in. These were guest opportunities offered through the web sites for the tournaments. She got multiple calls. I talked to the coaches. She was guaranteed half time but played more. We paid for a share of the fee in two of three. She had a level in mind and only took the offers at that level.
Would you recommend again?
yes I would. These were positive experiences and taught my child how to adapt to new situations and advanced her emotional and social skills.
Also as far as the soccer... She did get some new interest and some schools following her reached out to say they were impressed that she was able to fit in nicely to the new team. That was a plus in their eyes.
Thank you for sharing. Good for you and her to do it. I feel too many would shake their head thinking it wasn't worth it. Good to hear it is. Opportunities aren't always obvious.
Checked in on some GDA scores. Not all posted, yet. Why does it take so long to post?
Is this what you mean?PF vs. Wash Spirit/MD:04 - PF 0-003 - PF 7-001/02 - PF 3-199/00 - PF 8-1Seems all, but these and Fury vs. Oakwood in NE area posted.
So potentially of interest, I took my daughter to see the Washington Spirit Breakers game on Saturday evening. She has played in the ECNL for many years and decided to stay with her team which is not a DA club. She's all good in the ECNL, but we had an interest in seeing the 99/00 DA game just before. She wanted to see the level of the DA, and she wanted to see the Spirit superstar u17 WC player play against a decent team. She thought she might also consider the DA in the future, but after watching what we did, maybe not.Have to say that game was shocking. I am not even sure what the score was, but let's say it was somewhere around 7 or 8 to 1. And it could have been worse. Penn Fusion was obviously told to play keep away the last 15 minutes of the game to keep the score down.The superstar did have an assist on the spirit only goal, but was pretty invisible except for the many times she turned the ball over or got torched by the PF midfielders. She appeared out of her element playing up. Was not the best player on her team and not even close to being the best player on the field.Fascinating to me that this kid was picked over probably 5 or 6 clearly superior kids on both teams. We checked the roster and the best PF kid who just came back from China wasn't even there. So minus their own superstar, PF really faced no competition at all.How was that a "meaningful game" for either team?
I think again it is all watered down, especially in the fall. Many girls opting to play HS, stay with ECNL or NPL. And clubs are now going strong into National league play as an answer to DA. So you have like 6 things going on from U15 up. HS, DA, ECNL, NPL, National League, Regional league. Lets not forget EDP, Open Cup, NJ state cup and US Club state cup in spring. Maybe just too much going on?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
FWIW, Spirit Virginia 01/02 team has a kid who's been a forward on the national team, got the Spirit press release, etc. that has not been that impressive either. From what I've heard and the clips I've seen, she's not only doesn't start at forward but she's been moved to outside back. Makes you wonder if US Soccer has just gotten lazy about evaluating talent, and instead just keeps inviting the same players back. The other thing is that Spirit keeps inviting the National team players to practice with the professional team based solely on their reputation even though they're not the best players on their team.
Maybe they needed an effective outside backEver hear of Kelly O'Hara?
The U18/19 teams are all over the place. Many players at this point are committed and therefore opted to play HS. Penn fusion is one of the teams at this age who did not lose their core group to HS. It also isn’t helping the U16/17 DA teams that have players playing up to fill spots in turn affecting the U16/17 teams. The DA has things to work out as expected.
Many DA teams have some of their best players at outside back and outside mid. PDA and FCV are just two examples of teams where you see this.
PF’s best player on U17 plays LM most of the game.
CEDAR STAR : what a great team! LOL
Speaking of, what position does their national team player take on for them?
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