Are you calling Ohio Elite a kick and run team?Maybe they pressed PDA's defense and it broke - as is what occurred when Match Fit beat PDA earlier in the regular season.Just guessing. I am sure the Ohio team has its share of technical players.
To show you my point, see it and judge it yourself - https://youtu.be/_roBddxB9_4.
Geez.... so much chest pounding going on here. Having 6 daughters, all playing competitively, most of the comments on here are incredibly arrogant & immature. The DA didn't exactly work out the way they planned it to.... as in, weren't as many GREAT players interested in giving up thier lives completely. So, older DA teams had to pull younger players, as well as mediocre (at best) outside players (I know quite a few) just to field teams. Anyway, the end result is, the ECNL & DA have killed each other.... both watering each other down & not exactly fielding the best teams/players, especially in PA, where ECNL was already watered down. It's so horribly nauseating, for me, watching this stuff happen. If you're good, guess what....YOU'RE GOOD! Stop insulting each other. Love & Peace, Mom of a player at a decent D1 university, who stayed loyal to her higher level mediocre club team for 13 years. She was discovered at an ID camp. The first compliment the coach gave her, was that he was impressed by her loyalty to her team, even though, she could've left to showcase herself more. Stop bashing each other, and start giving advice.
This is just an observation from an old (very old) futbol guy..and this may be rhetorical. But what makes 1 style of play better than the others? I don't doubt that if your on this board your daughter probably plays at a high level and is probably technically skilled. Individual skill are what the scouts are looking for.Unfortunately maybe to everyone's detriment, when our girls were at a formidable age the best team in the world played this tiki-taka, quick, possession style soccer and oh yea, they had one of the best players of a lifetime that could penetrate and score when needed, they also had two of the best midfielders in Xavi and Iniesta..ever. But is this what we hold as the gold standard of good soccer?Kick and run is a horrible description, used at U8, when that was literally how it was played.If you were playing your little pass around in midfield and there was a turnover andthe ball was played into space on the wing, a speedy winger would run onto the ball and create off a scoring chance off that counter...is that kick and run? would you call the Sir Alex era at Man Utd, kick and run? Would the Serie A league be too boring and not exciting enough for y'all because it's defense first...would you just label it as "parking the bus"?Got news for all you parents that think the beautiful game will be played in college...have you ever watched a D1 soccer game...tell me where physicality doesn't win 9 out of 10 times. Scouts are looking for an individual, never a team.Leagues, no matter what 3 or 4 letters they represent are for the parents and so are wins and titles or that matter.Ever see your daughter an hour after a crushing loss, probably laughing and hanging out with her teammates while mommy and daddy are still fuming, complaining that we had possession but got beat by a kick and run team.
9:12 I agree with everything you said but the last statement - why do you generalize? how long does a fan talk about their team's loss? probably about as long as any parent. For someone who calls himself an old guy - shocked you don't see parents as fans and nothing more when it comes to soccer and parents when they need to pick their kid up because of the environment of youth soccer if needed (playing time issues and hurt feelings some take a loss bad before they hang with their friends not team)With ECNL wrapping up 2016/2017 season.ECNL U16 - Champions League FINAL 4Tophat Soccer Club ECNL U16FC Stars ECNL U16FC Dallas ECNL U16Concorde Fire ECNL U16ECNL U16 - North American Cup ChampionSC Del Sol ECNL U16ECNL U16 - Showcase Cup ChampionFSA FC ECNL U16Region 1 RANKINGS via Youth Soccer Ranking Scores1 FC STARS OF MASSACHUSETTS ECNL (MA)2 MCLEAN YS ECNL (VA)3 BOSTON BREAKERS ACADEMY ECNL (MA)4 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY ECNL (NJ)5 PENN FUSION SA ECNL (PAE)6 CRUSA FC BUCKS ECNL (PAE)7 FC VIRGINIA ECNL (VA)8 BETHESDA SC ECNL (MD)9 CONNECTICUT FC ECNL (CT)10 MATCH FIT ACADEMY FC ECNL (NJ)11 ALBERTSON SC ECNL (NYE)12 FSA FC ECNL (CT)13 RICHMOND UNITED SC VA ECNL (VA)14 WORLD CLASS FC ECNL (NYE)15 BRADDOCK ROAD YOUTH CLUB ELITE ACADEMY 0 (VA)16 FC BOSTON SCORPIONS ECNL (MA)17 CONTINENTAL FC ECNL (PAE)18 MARYLAND UNITED FC ECNL (MD)19 EAST MEADOW SC ECNL (NYE)20 PITTSBURGH RIVERHOUNDS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY (PAW)
Yea. What is in the water in MA?
How do NJ elite lose to MT Laurel in the lower bracket of the mid-Atlantic regional?
What is the Mid-Atlantic regional?
I think this is in the US Club Soccer/League.
MA has always been known for its soccer. Lived there years ago and every kid always had a soccer ball it seemed. There are soccer fields everywhere. Helps that they also get kids from VT, RI, NH and Maine as they have no ECNL clubs in those states.
Sounds like NJ elite is missing their coach and players that left
Don't know about that but they did lose
NJ elite coach left for STA
Where did the players from flames go? STA? The coach is a cry baby! Begs for calls all game long!
Yes he has cried for Years
The US Club Soccer Mid-Atlantic Regional was some great stuff. Congrats to FC Copa on a tiebreaker win (after all four teams ended up tied on points).A bunch of good soccer from NEFC, STA and PDA Fusion as well this week in Somerset. Thanks to all the players for putting on a great show!
CEDAR STARS baby!!!!!!
I'm sorry, 6 of the top teams on gotsoccer from NJ? Look at what they do. They go to big tournaments, play in tiers other than the top usually, grab points, and then take them back to NJ and they just feed off of each other with edp and both state cups. I guess you could say I'm hating the player and the game.
And that is why college coaches don't pay attention to got soccer points. Heard that years ago with my older daughter directly from coaches.
8:24 besides you nobody even looks at gotsoccer anymore. Youth Soccer Rankings is in - if you like to see lists. Complete game results for all teams. Much more fun - you can also use it as a vegas line.PDA ECNL favorite by 1 goal vs SJEB RushSJEB Rush favorite by 1 goal vs PDA North NPL37.85 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY ECNL36.88 MATCH FIT ACADEMY FC ECNL36.88 SJEB RUSH ACADEMY36.74 PRINCETON SA PREMIER ELITE36.12 NJ WILDCATS FURY NPL35.94 NJ ELITE WATCHUNG HILLS FLAMES35.93 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY NORTH NPL35.68 NJ STALLIONS ACADEMY NPL35.66 SJEB RUSH PREMIER WHITE35.61 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY SOUTH NPLPS. 11:41 College coaches care about one thing and that's their team, they will fill spots with the best available options.Curious what's the PDA ECNL verbal count? SJEB is at 5 I believe for this age group.
With NEFC now the Boston Breakerswe will have a new NPL champion.NPL Finals 2017 - 2001 GirlsFlight ASUSA G01 NPLFC Stars 2001 NPL IMG Space City FC 01G NavyFlight BLonestar SC 01G RedOakwood SC Attack NPL 01Virginia Rush 01GISC Gunners G01AFlight CSouth Shore Select U16 APNJ Wildcats FuryMSC Lakers Elite 01 GirlsTucson Soccer Academy 01 Girls Red Santa Monica United FC G01Campton United 01 NPLMy Final 4SUSALonestarSouthShoreNJ WildcatsSouth Shore vs SUSA in the finalwith NY being the champion
What weekend is that?
Why are there just 14 teams?NPL states that they reserve the right to add teams in order to fill bracketsWhich teams said NO - leaving it at 14, rather than 16 teams, which would be perfect?NPL could strive for closer to perfection...
11:49 of the 22 NPLs with a girls division for the 2016-17 season the below are not represented.Lake Highlands Girls Classic LeagueMidwest Developmental LeagueMountain Developmental LeagueNorCal Premier League - NPL DivisionSouth Atlantic Premier LeagueUnited Soccer Clubs Champions LeagueWashington State Premier League
7:51 Granted youth soccer rankings takes into account for ecnl, and some other things, where gotsoccer falls behind with ecnl teams, youth soccer rankings has just as many teams scattered through the rankings that don't belong where they are. Saying one is better than the other is like arguing what creamer for your coffee is better. Personally, I prefer to look at both sites and try to get a feel for where teams stand. That and gotsoccer makes it easy to look at the big tournies where ecnl plays against non ecnl and you can get a feel how teams stack up with each other. With all that said, it's still any given Sunday.
The fact that youth soccer rankings had FC bucks 6th and continental 17th in region 1 rankings makes me understand why I'm lactose intolerant....
a quick view of the YSR rankings for U16 and comparison of FC Bucks vs. Continental, it seems that FC Bucks was more successful in its season and played harder teams than Continental. FC Bucks played Real Colorado 2x's and 1st time tied and second time beat them. In NE Conference league play, Continental had 1 win. And Bucks was a Champs League Wildcard qualifier. It seems that Bucks had a more successful season which is what YSR said as well.
10:15 I'm not trying to say that one is better than the other, I'm just acknowledging where they are ranked.
so am i. it's compared against other teams in the region and their records and level of teams played. not saying YSR is perfect, not at all (i am sure they will clean it up as there are some teams that are listed twice since regional stuff just wrapped up). but, i have seen teams that participate in got soccer points hosting their own tourneys, inviting teams and then they set the points earned. most times, they are earning the points, some crazy amount. i was a member of one of those clubs. beating up on knowingly weaker teams to collect more points is not my idea of a good tourney or good soccer.
Gfa is clearly the best npl team around, how can they be left out????
Explain to me how GFA is "left out" of NPL playoffs when they did not win their league and qualify? SUSA won their league and beat GFA easy.
Good luck FC Stars (region 1/MASS) in the U16 ECNL finals.
vs. FC Dallas (U16). Let's go Stars.
FS Stars are loosing 2:1 - http://www.ustream.tv/streamsports-101
yep, oh well. good run Stars. Finalist still not too shabby. Congrats!
Are DA rosters set yet?i keep getting emails from CS wanting my daughter to come to tryouts,there are offering us NC this season
They are accepting anyone on their 01/02 DA Team, injured players, anyone who will sign a check.Already multiple players who had accepted a spot on the CS DA Team went to one practice and left club for another team. Their DA Team is very weak. They will lose the Girls DA after one year as they will be non-competitive.
CSA has not had a single DA practice yet. Roster has not been put out and no spots have been "officially" offered. They are having tryouts this week. I understand you hate the DA or are trying to keep kids away from tryouts for some reason but why does the DA scare you so much to have to post lies?
kid probably not invited or didn't get a spot. sour grapes most likely.
The DA conversation is a little interesting I guess. This if for a couple of different age groups. I do not think my daughter applies to DA, but is it free really? Uniforms and league play? I think you just pay for travel, but not sure. Also give it some time as other teams continue to break up and eventually move to this program. And with only 2 per state, sort of like ecnl, it should eventually attract the top players.
It is obvious now that our coach deceived us because he was nervous that loosing players will hurt "his" team. Sad thing is our club has the other GDA team and he held our girls from even trying out. Needless to say we are on the lookout for another home. Development is a façade and only in name. The needs of the coach should not supersede the needs of the player. We would like to have at least been given an opportunity.
what do you mean he (coach) held girls from trying out? i think that would have been my clue that you gotta go, now. it's your money that pays the fees. you dictate how and where. remember that.
Yes, that is crazy that happens. But believe it. Coaches actually have the nerve to say to 14 year old girls. If you try out for another team take your card and leave. 14 year old girls. I agree that is a sign to leave immediately.
We didn't find out the tryout even happened until it was over...
Manalapan Mia Ham playing for free at cedar stars next year
I know quite a few players who were begged to play on DA teams, TWO years up, because clubs couldn't field teams. I'm not lying. These are people (at least 10) who I know personally. Unfortunately, they drank the juice. Side note: My players have been on the same team since U8.... are not ECNL or Academy.... so, I'm not one of these obnoxious, arrogant, psycho parents, trying to prove one is better than the other. I've said it before, they hate each other because they're literally watering each other down... and, in especially in PA, it's disastrous. Was already watered down. Oh well. I just sit back, on the same team, happy, satisfied, watching nothing else working... people pissed... players hopping from team to team..... changes made... and nothing working.... people pissed again.... players hopping again.... and on and on and on. So lucky to be where we are.
PA Classics has 9 kids listed on the 99/00 DA team. Guessing that's the team begging for players. You said disaster in PA what's up at Penn Fusion? They already had solid teams. Unless a bunch of kids fled the ship they should be fine.
1046 to what specifically do you refer on your comment that "nothing's working". Do you mean kids aren't happy? Do you mean kids aren't developing? Not sure what you mean. I can tell you for sure that in the ECNL -it's working for recruiting.
5:46fyi, the website is constantly being updated. I wouldn't trust what you're seeing now. The '01 GDA is heavy with many girls playing both so there will be no issue.PAC parent
10:46 - that's good for you and your family. rare to find a fit at u8. congrats!U16 is such a critical year for exposure that is usually when you see the hopping around. that's what i found anyway. sometimes you have to hop to the place that works for you and your family. not every club or team works as far as dynamics, exposure, coaching, positional coaching, etc. my kid is doing GDA and she can't wait for it to start. She likes her team and her club and coaches, too. I am looking forward to college, though. Just pack a bag and go watch. lol cherish this, though. it's part of the journey.
Is the GDA free, or what is tuition, uniforms?
546 so there are 9 on age kids and the others are playups? Or are there kids that are added that aren't on it yet? If so about how many? Enough to complete a whole team? With half a team of playups they are going to get crushed. Are the play ups bottom roster 01s? If not they will also concede our 01/02 age group. Could get ugly at two ages. I would just keep the 01s strong and say well the 99/00 age is a waste this year anyway.
01 playups but not bottom roster. Should be competittive
how does that work? Are they game time rostered kids?
When you have to cheat to get into national championships, and the referee ignores the sideline ref calling for the foul......https://1drv.ms/v/s!As3B_aAYUkgWg2dE19qflDtbQuSx
I cannot see what team that is. But that is a clear foul. You cannot truck the goal keeper when she is going up to get the ball. Know you can clearly see the black shirt defender pushing the white shirt player into the keeper. But her momentum to the ball was taking her there anyway. Clear foul, keeper would have caught the up ball. no goal. The center ref has to get in there and see that. But, here is the key for future. Put a baseline ref on each side of major matches and tournaments. perhaps semi finals, state cup semi's etc. it will not cost that much.
That's a great idea. Refs make horrible calls all the time in every sport. Not saying all, I have seen some really good refs, but unfortunately too many bad ones and not enough good ones seems to be the norm. If the pros can't get good ones, how can youth?
I don't blame the player, it's the way they play and what they are instructed to do. I don't even blame the referee for missing the call. What is ridiculous to me though, is the fact that the assistant referee saw the foul, was waving his flag, and she flat out ignored him, didn't even go over and have a conversation as to what he saw. The goalie is buried into the goal with a player on top of her, your assistant referee is waving his flag, and all of that just gets ignored. It's sad to see at this level of play.....
ok, got it. You cannot see the ref in the video waiving flag. That is horrible the center ref would not confer on a goal. That should be waived off. My daughter is goal keeper. That is no goal. But agreed it is rarely called. I do believe center ref has to see that. I am surprised sideline did. But great call by sideline ref. If you have the baseline refs it would cost I believe about another $50-$75 per match? I think they are paid $25 each? That is what they do now in the pro's btw. And remember pro's now all have video replay. baseball, ice hockey, football for years. Why not soccer? Even a clear off sides that results in goal should be reviewed by video tape in college and up. Losing a title, or world cup because of missed off sides does not have to happen anymore. We have technology must use it
5:52 Yup. The recruiting is there. By "not working" I mean that so many things change from year to year... coaches coming & going, players team hopping constantly, different leagues being implemented, players being used (rather than developed) to get results. People are just so easily manipulated when they're told "your kid is now in the most elite place." What is ECNL anymore, with the DA now in existence? What will someone come up with next year? If recruiting stats are the basis for "success," I can tell you this, I personally know many players, who were recruited via ECNL, & went on to play college soccer. Most look back with regret, as the fun, loyalty, bonding & playing together to win (not just to showcase yourself) were not prioritized within the ECNL atmosphere. Years of what the sport was supposed to give them, were lost, and for what? Ya got recruited to play for 4 more years, which could've happened anyway. (Not a salty parent of a player who was cut. I have two playing mid level D1 on partial scholarships & others playing National League). This is not meant to insult anyone. As a former soccer player, it just makes me sad to see the sport & kids' love for the sport, being exploited. 5:46 oh, it's at Penn Fusion too. For example, the '00 DA team basically took anyone, even had to put '02's on the team. Point is, DA didn't quite work out the way they thought it would. Sure there are the PAC & PF players on the rosters who are holding political spots. There are just so many top players who wanted no parts of it. It is what it is.
12:15 The center ref was approximately 17 years old. Ridiculous.
Well what the heck GDA? The big known problems of the ECNL - too much money and too much travel wee given lip service and then not addressed at all. If anything this league seems to have increased travel. Thanks anyway.
I am really tired of the DA verses ECNL argument. No side will win until it all shakes out in the next few years. Our kids will be in college by the time a consensus is reached. Both leagues will bring scouts and both choices are good for our U16s. No big changes to recruiting will come in next 2 years. Scouts will use their time the way they see best and it will take time for them to see what league has a better payoff. The only looser will be whoever's showcase got bumped off the bottom to make more time to go to these new events. Every comment in the next few years is just speculation, even mine. We have to wait for the facts and see how the younger kids make out. They are the only ones this will really win here. The my team is better than your team crap is just boring. With the way kids are jumping from team to team the focus is less on the team and more on the player. Lets talk about those chair tents parents are sitting in during games now. Are the silly or smart?
12:32you would be incorrect. first of all, it's not 00 anymore. so you have zero clue. the 19/18 team is 00/99 age group. And, PF as well as others are loaded with kids within and outside the club as well who are very good. Btw PF 00, 01 and 02's made championship league in ECNL. So, already starting with good bones. And the 99's returning are high level, too. They should be just fine.
also, they have a pre academy team that they will be pulling from as well also which has very good players on it.so, if many didn't want any part of it, why wasn't there a mass exodus? There wasn't. The higher level kids all stayed.
All of that aside, i agree, this isn't a DA vs. ECNL argument. It's a wait and see how they both fare. There are a lot of kids that play soccer anymore and a lot of $$ in it. I expect there are enough of both to keep all the leagues relevant. The focus should be on correcting the ref situation in all the leagues, including boys and girls. there should be an age range for championship games (not too old and not too young). They need to be able to run with the play and yet have the experience to know the calls, too. There are enough other games for those outside of those ranges. It's a safety issue too. If the ref can't keep up or is too young, the games tend to get out of control and that is when kids get hurt. The #1 concern should always be the safety of the players.
Can't word it that way. The league will have an age discrimination lawsuit against them quicker than you can say "hand ball."They can however require a fitness test like the pros do.The ref problem is all of the crazy soccer moms/dads yelling at the ref all game long. This behavior is pushing all of the young inexperienced refs out of the water and pool size is smaller and only getting older.Our assigner does a great job of only putting experienced crews on higher level games but the U8 psycho parents think every game is the world cup and we can't retain new refs to feed the system.
Didnt look like a U8 game that the egregious non call was made inWe all pay good money and deserve better - sorryShame on the tournament coordinators. There needs to be more of a presence to oversee matches at the highest level in these events.Referees work for the administrators - and need to be held to a higher standard, no matter the age.I am not talking about an offsides call/non call that is on/off by a whisker. But the noncall as referenced above. The non use of yellow/red cards (are they even trained on what they should be used for? Not so sure). etc, etc.
11:38 ok. 00/99. Whatever the label, they had to pull younger kids as well as mediocre (at best) outsiders. And, I know very good players in multiple age groups who jumped ship. All just tired of the constant changes, politics & being fed BS.As for the refereeing, that's a great idea... fitness tests. Too many times we've seen overweight tired old refs who believe it's their job to stay within the circle. As mentioned above, no way is it fair to have a young, clearly inexperienced ref for a regional semifinal game. With female youth soccer basically being a full contact sport at this point, they should also make some rule changes... at the very least, not allowing a player to foul as often as she wants, with no repercussions. These referees too often pull players aside for "a talk" or warning. They're not 7 years old, learning the rules. They know exactly what they're doing. Blatant intentional foul? Make her sit the bench for 5 minutes, watching her team play a man down. Watch the number of concussions drop drastically. These girls laugh at yellow cards.
Right. It'll takes a few years for the dust to settle, if it gets the chance, before the next best thing comes along.
7:02 and PAC coach. You can update that roster all you want, it isn't going to increase the talent level or speed of the players on your current DA teams. The fact that your 01 classics team was crushed by the 02's in a tourney last weekend, is just a slight indication of the issues that you are facing. Please don't give us some injury excuse or how great the 02 team is, the bottom line is its going to be a tough year or two for your girls. Your club will be walking a razors edge between convincing parents of the viability of Classics DA and or becoming the FC Bucks of the DA.
A no-call on the keeper getting plastered and then the other team scoring happened in the USYS National Championships last year. Check out this video starting at 43:15: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BmvPbQbXCI&t=5071sYou would think at high-level events, the organizers, ENCL or USYS, would attempt to have competent officials, but they don't.
12:15agreed the language would be different, but the outcome the same. refs are assigned field/games. an age discrimination claim would come if they had no opportunities for games. there are plenty of other matches. the prongs for age discrimination are clear. And as long as you have the same work opportunities and the same pay (other matches not championship ones), it's good. And, since there are many other matches to ref at the same rate, they would. And these are not employees. The are independent contractors, generally. Treated differently under the law.
12:54once again. you are incorrect. you probably thought they (PF) would not go just GDA, either. Who does that when the $$ maker is in the ECNL, right? Well, they were first in the ECNL when others didn't believe, either. whatever you want to believe, you will so no sense going back and forth with a what i know vs. what you believe. have a great summer.
142 I wonder what club you coach
sounds like a disgruntled PAC parent, actually, maybe from the 01 team. didn't like what happened vs. the 02 team.
8:18 Why would there be a disgruntled PAC parent out there? PAC basically awarded DA spots to anyone that would show up. If a parent is upset about their daughter not making the DA, then it was their own fault for not bringing her to at least one tryout or practice (or sending a recent photograph of their daughter holding a soccer ball). PAC's leadership at the top is very good, unfortunately there's a huge drop off after that and PAC doesn't have the PF or PDA name to carry them through.
9:39 Tino is that you ?
The irony of 1:42 statement is that there are as many 01s as 02s on the gda team for the fall.Definitely disgruntledSeems like they didn't put any inportance on that game at the tournament.They had a 0-0 tie their next game.
Goodness people!!! Give the girls a chance...the gda didn't even begin yet!!
now 5:53 sounds like a PAC parent.
Because I am
I thought I was .
No, I am.
What about me?
DesCartes--I think I'm a PAC parent therefore I am
Acknowledging you have a problem is the first sign that you are on the road to recovery. Good luck and get some ointment for that PAC thing. :)
@5:53 0-0 last game was actually not played so it was recorded as so. Not many would argue the 02's had a very good team but the 01's have a handful of strong players too. Results are going to depend on what they do with the best 01's. If they keep them U16/17 that will be a competitive team despite what some say on here. If they put the best 01's up at U19 then it will obviously hurt the U16/17's. Most I'm sure are hoping they focus on making the U16/17's competitive.
Wait what? NOT played but ended as 0-0 and recorded as such?
11:26 Game was not played because Rage had wrapped up the tournament by winning the previous game. Unfortunately do to the scheduling times, Rage would have had to play the next game with less than an hour's rest. Classic officials realized there could be a potential for injury and in a classy move by them, called it a tie.
11:35 Integrity of the game my friend. Tournaments use results to determine flights - while this might not be an issue for the two teams it is a "FAKE" result. One should have forfeited or the result should not have been recorded.Either way the tournament should have done better with their scheduling.You can spin it as being nice and that's okay. But posting a FAKE result speaks to the integrity of the game no other way to look at posting a FAKE result.On to some results. SUSA who won the NYCSL NPL finally gave up their 1st goal in NPL action that's 9 league games and 4 Final games.The 2017 NPL Final South Shore Select U16 APvs SUSA G01 NPLOther 2017 National Champions (note ECNL and NPL are league titles and are not open events to crown a true national champion, National Cup is the premier US Club National Title)FC Dallas ECNL U16 (TX) - ECNL National Finals ChampionBAC Blitz (VA) - USYS 2017 National Presidents Cup ChampionStill to be played:#####################################National Cup XVI FinalsWestfield, INGroup A Princeton SA G01South Shore Select APFC Boulder 2001 Girls EliteSoccer Vision Academy 01G Group BFC Copa Academy G01 BlackMassapequa NPL 01 CosmosSeacoast United G2001 NPL Group CIndiana Fire JuniorsPittsburgh RiverhoundsREV Academy Black#####################################2017 USYS National ChampionshipsFrisco, TXGroup ALegends FC 01 Academy (CA-S) Greater Binghamton FC (NY-W)Florida Elite 2001 Elite (FL)Nationals Union 01 Black (MI)Group BSLSC Cosmos 01 Lawless (OK)Celtic FC Premier SA (UT)CUP Gold 01 (OH-S)Michigan Jaguars 01 Green (MI)
How did Massapequa and Princeton get into a national at U16?ALSO RANS to SUSA in NPL playI am sure STA would have loved to go (they tried to get in via Mid Atlantic but lost out - on a tough tiebreak)Did this tournament just allow Massapequa and Princeton in because they asked?Some shady dealing going on along with what Stallions did at U17
Shady? Why? Princeton won us club soccer New Jersey cup and qualified for national cup. Good or bad event everybody can judge that but their partecipation is legit . " because they asked" lol what a stupid statement
7:38 Integrity of the Game? So if a player sustains an injury while playing a meaningless game and loses their junior season, its okay because the integrity of the game was salvaged? I do agree the scheduling was the real issue, but least at least give PAC credit for doing the correct thing. Sorry if my post is a little dramatic, but whenever I hear integrity being applied to anything involving club soccer, I have either laugh or cringe.
7:38if ECNL can't participate in the posting you recorded, it's not a TRUE national champion either as not all leagues are participating. #dipstick
Also ECNL teams are forbidden from participating in any other event that has a national championship title other than ECNL. But, we have shown already that the other leagues have the opportunity of trying to get a national title other multiple ways. You can get in by winning regionals, being a wildcard and/or winning your state cup and/or finalist. Several bites at the same apple. Plus the multiple other ways, President's cup, US Club, Turkey Hill, etc. It seemed like you tried to diminish the ECNL event by saying it's a league championship. USYS is the same; except multiple ways to get in.NPL can participate in the USYS events so those teams have multiple ways as well. I'm not trying to wave an ECNL flag as it being the end all be all or trying to minimize the USYS national championship(s) at all, but don't diminish the accomplishments by saying ECNL it's just a league championship. It's a top tier league national championship, too.
whoops forgot, good luck to all those Region 1 teams participating.
11:35 and 7:38This should've been a forfeit 3-0 BS on integrity and being "nice"Thanks PAC coach
9:25 PMI think you forgot that State Cup champs attend nationals. This would explain Massapequa and Princeton.
Not sure why so sensitive over 1 single game being recorded as 0-0 when. Other teams would have agreed to it. If you step back and look at the big picture 1 game over the course of a season does not move the dial. So we agree that the right thing was done for the safety of the players.
Then why schedule a 4 game bracket tournament with advanced notice?If you're concerned about injury....
1:21 Stop cluttering up this blog with common sense post and leave room for irrational thoughts.
9:02 How do we know it's only one result? Just proves that they would report FAKE scores.
There are some people here in serious need of meds or just a reality check. Starting with 7:38.
This just in. It turns out the Russians convinced PAC to report the score as 0-0 and were caught sneaking into 7:38's home and stealing all his meds. I am not a fan of PAC, but in this case they absolutely did the right thing. 3:26 I am hoping your post was not a serious post (reporting fake scores). Don't you think if they were going to report fake scores, they would post ones that would help their cause? The tournament win gives Rage the first place ranking in PAE, it would make Classics the worst cheaters since Nixon.
None of the PF starters left PF. You guys are delusional. The younger kids they put up are simply in a holding development pattern because there were openings for roster spots 20-22 on the 99/00 team. They will likely be contributors on the 02/03 team the following year. Yes most seniors aren't going to leave their existing team and give up high school for one year of DA. Especially to jump onto a team with an well developed top 15 or so. That is not an indictment of the GDA. Simply a growing pain. The developmental opportunity was thought to be better than the 01/02 Preacademy team for those on the bubble for 01/02 academy. Credit PF for creative thinking. To add emphasis one of the 99/98 PF ecnl kids went to PAC because she would have struggled to see the field on PF. At PAC she can be in the starting 11.
No one cares about PF . If your kid is that good they would be at PDA !
4:11 Did you read that directly from Tino's email he sent you or do take all of his dictation for PF?
LolApparently people do care about it since they are posting misleading and inaccurate information about the PF GDA. Probably doing this to make themselves feel better about their own children's (or more likely their) soccer club choices. Soon it will be clear how bad PAC is compared to PF. PDA will not be dominant in the GDA if they were even so in the ECNL. Anyway most at PF are as least an hour or more to PDA. Different market.
This was my first experience with the NPL finals and I could not be more disappointed. How they arranged brackets so teams would win with such large goal differences was nuts. Next you have refs that let players re-enter the game when it is clearly against the rules. This would never happen in ECNL.
That's because no one cares about the No Potential League. Hopefully your daughter tried out for one of the GDA teams and made it. If so, you'll be treated to close hard fought games with high play level and strict adherence to the rules. The only time games might be lopsided is when teams play PAC teams, then it will look like the varsity playing the JV (hopefully PAC will catch up in a few years).
PF is only as good as the players they recruit . Soon the best players from Harrisburg, Lancaster and beyond will be going to PAC instead of PF, so the the PF well will then run dry . All good things must come to an end , sorry PF !
3:54 - what 1st place ranking did Rage receive? Is this Got Soccer stuff again? News flash GSP is fake.
Can you move on from this my kids club is better than your kids club please? Sorry I refuse to drive my child over an hour to a slightly better DA club when I have one 10-15 minutes from my house. It's called quality of life. All DA teams will be seen by scouts from all over the country. Players who are seeing field time for any DA club will be just fine! If Club X wins more games, well pin a medal on you! I could give two shits as long as my kid is playing well on the field and scouts are watching. I hope your kids are seeing the field and doing what they love because after all this is all for them. Right?
12:04There is a reason why kids went from those areas to PF in the first place. Success. And, PF has high level players from many other areas and states as well. Don't think anything will come to an end.
And, 12:29, spot on!
PF parent,Go to bed. Those dreams where you are running around the soccer field with your daughters jersey on are awaiting you....
A mother was making a breakfast of fried eggs for her teenage son.Suddenly the boy bursts into the kitchen."Careful! CAREFUL! Put in some more butter! Oh my goodness!"You're cooking too many at once. TOO MANY! Turn them! TURN THEM NOW! We need more butter. Oh my!"WHERE are we going to get MORE BUTTER? They're going to STICK!"Careful! ... CAREFUL! I said be CAREFUL! You NEVER listen to me when you're cooking! Never! Turn them! Hurry up! Are you CRAZY?"Have you LOST your mind? Don't forget to salt them. You know you always forget to salt them. Use the salt. USE THE SALT! THE SALT!"The mother stared at him. "What's wrong with you? You think I don't know how to fry a couple of eggs?"The son calmly replied, "I just wanted to show you what it feels like when I'm trying to play soccer."
okay 12:29 what would you like to talk about? spotlight is on you
12:29 or coach mike (which ever you prefer). Saying that PF is a slightly better club than PAC is like saying the Patriots are slightly better than the Browns. PAC has no track record on the girls side what so ever, and while PF does not have the college draw PDA does, it's years ahead of PAC. At least colleges coaches attending will get to see the attributes of your defensive players and the keeper, so that be a real plus for the first couple of years. 5:59 Seems like someone left your eggs frying in the pan way too long. Maybe on your team parents are like that, but not on ours and most of the teams we play I never hear that either (but there is sometimes that one parent). Sixteen year old girls just don't tolerate it very well.
PAC actively dissuaded the best girls from staying. They had some great kids years ago. Most went to PF but if PAC had offered a decent product, they probably would have stayed. All resources poured into boys. Didn't allow girls to benefit from the boy's success. Little girls who should have been integrated into the boys programming for optimal development were denied. Denied to protect the boys program. Didn't want boys mommies to complain about the little girl in the group who would potentially school her little boy and scar him for life. Now they want a girls program. May succeed due to geographic advantage, but maybe not if the product remains garbage.
If the club is so superior PF dude just relax. Why the constant attack on PAC? I'm sure no players will ever leave PF and I'm sure no girls from PAC will get college offers. PAC should just forfeit all games because offense will never touch the ball, we get it. Feel better?
They JUST got the DA. It's the start of great things for the club! Give it a chance to start up before you (for whatever reason) feel the need to criticize! Of coarse a DA club that was ECNL last year has an advantage. Give it time. I agree with the poster who asked the PF person why they are on the attack non stop here. Why? I sure hope your kid is top 11 on her team. If not, I just feel bad for you, you'll have to up those meds.
12:39funny comment. checked in after my shift ended. it was a good night. not too much crime. anyway, thanks for thinking of my well being. no, i dream that my family remains safe even off the soccer field. Not a PF parent. Just stating the obvious and agreeing with a good post; how we should just support the kids and stop trying to one up each other. These are kids that are not running the streets at night and getting into trouble or trouble finding them. They have parents that care about them. Sometimes over the top parents, but still caring. Stay involved, stay connected. be grateful that your only complaint is soccer related.
and 5:59 - great post.
Steve!!! Is that you??
With only the USYS NCS and USC NationalCupleft to be played.Below are our Region1 top 10s.GDA38.97 FC STARS OF MASSACHUSETTS ECNL (MA)38.60 BOSTON BREAKERS ACADEMY ECNL (MA)37.57 PENN FUSION SA ECNL (PAE)37.56 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY ECNL (NJ)37.04 FC VIRGINIA ECNL (VA)36.79 OAKWOOD SC ATTACK NPL (CT)36.24 WORLD CLASS FC ECNL (NYE) 35.56 NEW YORK SC ELITE NPL (NYE)35.26 PENNSYLVANIA CLASSICS ACADEMY (PAE)34.76 EMPIRE UNITED SA ROCHESTER (NYW) ECNL38.95 MCLEAN YS ECNL (VA)37.10 FC BUCKS ECNL (PAE) 37.02 BETHESDA SC ECNL (MD)36.87 CONNECTICUT FC ECNL (CT)36.63 MATCH FIT ACADEMY FC ECNL (NJ) 36.56 ALBERTSON SC ECNL (NYE) 36.31 RICHMOND UNITED SC VA ECNL (VA)36.30 FSA FC ECNL (CT)36.14 BRADDOCK ROAD YOUTH CLUB ELITE ACADEMY (VA)36.07 FC BOSTON SCORPIONS ECNL (MA) NPL37.21 SOUTH SHORE SELECT FC AP (MA)36.63 SUSA FC NPL (NYE) *** 2017 NPL Champion ***36.46 PRINCETON SA NPL (NJ) 36.08 FC STARS OF MASSACHUSETTS NPL (MA)35.93 NJ WILDCATS FURY NPL (NJ)35.77 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY NORTH NPL (NJ) 35.49 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY SOUTH NPL (NJ)35.48 NEFC BBA NPL (MA) 35.11 BAYSIDE FC BOLTS NPL (RI)35.11 MATCH FIT ACADEMY FC NPL (NJ)ERL36.79 GREATER BINGHAMTON FC SELECT (NYW)36.09 PREMIER SC NAVY (MD)36.09 UNITED FC 1776 XTREME (PAE) 35.99 FURY SC ATHLETICA (WV) 35.91 ARLINGTON SA RED (VA)35.85 FC FREDERICK (MD35.77 LEHIGH VALLEY UNITED BLACK (PAE) 35.50 NJ STALLIONS ACADEMY FREEDOM NPL (NJ) 35.44 BEADLING SC ELITE (PAW) 35.40 CENTURY V SOCCER GOLD (PAW) EDP non NPL36.61 SJEB RUSH (NJ)35.93 SUSA FC ELITE (NYE) 35.66 NJ ELITE FLAMES (NJ)35.46 SJEB RUSH PREMIER WHITE (NJ)35.30 FC BERNA LEGACY BLACK (NJ) 35.28 NEW YORK SURF SC ACADEMY (NYE)35.22 PENN UNITED FORCE FC (PAE)35.07 WEST WINDSOR PLAINSBORO MERCER FC SPURS (NJ) 34.95 CALVERT ELITE SC (MD) 34.95 HARLEYSVILLE FC READY (PAE)
Where did NY Surf -a first year team, get their 35+ rating from?
Its clear that Mass has the best soccer around,maybe you people from PA and NJ should drive the 5 hours
1;17 forget about gotsoccer and the way teams accumulated points.Their 35+ rating is from their result Goal differentials vs the teams they played.For example if they played a team that was a 37 and lost by more than 2 their score will drop or if they play a team that was a 33 and they win by 1 their score will go down. From the above list states with teams over 36.5 MA4 NJ4 VA3 CT3 NYE3 PAE2 MD1 NYW
What number does a team start at?Sorry - you havent completely explained it.Did Surf LI take over someone's ranking?Thanks
Looks like NY Surf LI started last summer and accumulated a rating from then on. We have played them , very fast , patient team with a lot of ball control.
every team started with the same number and then based on your results and the teams that you played their results the scores is dynamic and it updates. Your question is for the guy who made the tool. I can tell you how it works.Team a is a 35 and team b is a 35.Team A wins by 2 goals so team a would move up to a 37 and team b will be 33.Team A play team C who is a 35 and wins by 2 their score remains at 37 and team c drops to a 33.Team B plays team C and wins by 2 goals team be goes up to 36 and Team C drop to 31. Since C dropped to 31 and team A only beat them by 2 goals when they are a 37 their score will also be adjusted to a lower number. My guess is everyone started with the same ranking and then adjusted itself as they played games. The number of games means nothing the results are everything
So everyone started at 35?
I have no idea what everyone started with. All I know is that their score is dynamic based on their results and the results of all the teams they played.No bonus points for the amount of games you played or winning a flight. Just how you did vs the teams you played and how those teams did vs the teams they played.This was a special year everyone started the same. I'm sure every age group had a starting point. What that starting point is or was is any ones guess.I love the tool, loved GS before but love this site even more.
RightBut it MATTERS how many points you had to start. That's my point.I will also ask - how does a team with a 33+ rating gain points if never flighted vs 35-36-37 point teams?System is just as flawed as GotSoccer
You have to beat teams by large margins to climb your teams ranking (score) higher. Ex if you only play teams below a 35 score but beat them by a large margin(6-1, 5-0, 8-1, 4-0 etc) your score could continually rise past 35 or 36 etc.
5:49 I agree. I don't think it matters where you start if everyone started from the same point. It also looks at the scores of the teams you beat 5-0 or 6-1 if they improve your score will increase without playing a game or it will decrease if their score goes lower.10:11 like 5:49 said look at Rage at their 2017 Flash TournamentLOWER MERION SC SPRINGBOKS (U17) 8 - 1 28.55 (no change)WEST SCHUYLKILL FC ATHLETICA (U18) 7 - 0 29.61 (no change)WEST SCHUYLKILL FC ATHLETICA (U18) 5 - 0 29.61 (decreased)SOUTHERN CHESTER COUNTY SA DRAGONS 9 - 0 29.71 (increased)and at the EDP Cup Spring Showcase 2017NJ ELITE FLAMES 4 - 3 35.58 (no change)SJEB RUSH 1 - 2 36.54 (no change)STA SOCCER MORRIS UNITED NPL 3 - 1 34.74 (no change)when I say no change I mean it changed by a small marginLooks very accurate to me.When rage played weak teams they slayed them however when they played teams close to them the scores were close.Where are the flaws?Looking at Surf during the EDP Spring 2017 the team which generated the question.NEW YORK SC ELITE NPL 1 - 2 35.53 (no change)CAPITAL UNITED SC BLUE FORCE 4 - 3 34.41 (no change)ALLEYCATS SC NPL 5 - 3 33.77 (no change)BEACHSIDE SC CT 6 - 2 32.83 (increased)RAMAPO VALLEY SC TORNADOS 1 - 0 32.98 (decreased)NEW YORK SURF SC LONG ISLAND SPARK 4 - 2 34.22 (no change)SOUTH CENTRAL PREMIER SPIRIT 3 - 0 33.81 (increased)
The flaws I have found are that not all games are listed with respect to some teams. Some teams have truncated lists (not not all inclusive) and some don't. And some teams are in there several times under different names for the same team. For instance, some teams may have a rating using their acronym (with some games) and then their full name (with some others). So, in a perfect system, there would be one name, the correct full team name and all the games listed thereafter. It's not perfect at all but, it's better than GSP.
Most ranking systems are flawed. Just look at NCAA Football. Never and issue there !!??Rule of thumb, if your team is in a league and your record reflects that you have more wins than losses based on the teams you play in your league then you are ranked. Comparing against other leagues is speculative because ECNL won't play non-ecnl teams and I am sure that the DA teams will not play ECNL teams. If I say that my daughter plays on the #1 ECNL team in her division someone will counterpoint that it is a weak division If A) THey are not and ECNL parent or B) THeir daughter plays for an ECNL team in a different division. If I say my daughter plays on the top team based on GSP a different parent will counterpoint that GSP gets it wrong, or my daughters team hunts points by playing too many tournaments and getting seated lower. Bottom line is that there are regional teams with great players that are ranked in the top 10 across multiple services, if this is true you can consider them the top 10 teams in the region. There are also teams with good reputations that are always being vilified by the have not's (get over it). If you can get your daughter to be a starter on one of those 10 teams great, if not, have fun and make sure your daughter does as well. trying to figure out why team a is ranked higher than team b or why they flipped after a weekend when they didn't play is ridiculous. Make sure your daughter is chasing HER dream, and you are not having her chase yours.
12:01 which 2001 teams don't have all their games and are listed multiple times, you must be from a different board? The ECNL teams have ECNL and non ECNL results?Sticking with Rage and Copa as they are the perfect examples.RAGE #1 PA team when it comes to GSP played in 11 events YSR has them as #5 (7-4 with 5 ties vs teams over 35 a good team but not #1 in the state #5 might be right).COPA #2 NJ team when it comes to GSP played in 15 events YSR has them as #13 (clearly benefits from playing in a lot of events 3-11 with 4 ties vs teams over 35) SJEB #1 NJ team when it comes to GSP played in 11 events YSR has them as #3 (the #1 Non-ECNL team - GSP or not they play a bunch of games and their results support their ranking)12:26 why is it ridiculous? What's wrong with being a fan of your kid's team? What's ridiculous is posting we had 80 coaches at our kid's game. If any of them were invited by your kid great have fun I agree. When they go to college and play there are rankings why is that okay to follow and these aren't? It's all the same we all support our kids and some of us like to have a little fun while we sacrifice so much of our time making sure our kid has fun drive all over the place and pay for many mini vacations. How about you do you and the people that like rankings will do that
12:26why the tirate? maybe get some water and get out of the heat.to the best of my knowledge, the NCAA (your example) does not have teams posted twice as one poster noted. that's a pretty big flaw. And, agreed, the way college football bowl invitations are given is flawed. And there are many, many more youth soccer teams than NCAA teams in any one division.these systems (the youth soccer) are trying to include multiple leagues. that's the problem. not all the information is carrying over from the leagues into the system. maybe it's proprietary. who knows. but, you can't have an accurate ranking without all the teams being registered correctly and all the games being included.
1:33why ridiculous to post about over 80 coaches at one game. my kid never sent out one e-mail inviting coaches. not one. she is committed and continues to get interest from other schools even after being committed. so out of those 80 coaches at someone's game, there may be some reach outs about several other kids in addition to the ones they were coming to watch by invitation. i'm just putting out there our experience. it's not hard and fast that those 80 are just going to show interest in the kids who sent them invites. plenty of coaches = plenty of potential opportunity
1:33https://youthsoccerrankings.us/rankings/National/16/Girls/I see Reading Rage at National Ranking of #109. Is this what you are referencing?
We got one of those I'm interested in you e-mails. We then found out that even our hurt player got a letter too. It was all a big marketing play to have us sign up for their summer camp run by the coaching staff and some players. $$$$$$$ ONLYSummer job NOT summer showcase camp
2:42 nothing wrong with that. If your kid likes the school you go if she doesn't you don't.2:15 yes if you click on the team you's see the details.2:08 Good for her. I can only speak on what I was told by my friends who are college coaches. They recruit the players that are interested in their school, they have a database with more than 1,000 kids were graduation year. They don't need to reach out to kids who haven't contacted them.2:01 the other poster never listed any teams listed twice and if you checked the 2001 rankings you will see there aren't any. But yet you want to dance with me. Do you always just believe what you read without a little research? What leagues aren't carrying over give an example. besides theKNOWN ISSUES listed.
As far as YSR, as of only about a week ago, there were missing games and problems with it. For instance, Jeff Cup games didn't carry over; Region 1 game; National League. Some other games didn't carry over. Several teams were in twice with truncated games. This is just an example being used:https://youthsoccerrankings.us/team.html?teamId=1987874For instance check this team, Princeton. See the various ways the team is identified at the bottom of the page. As of about a week ago, these were different entries (identified as GSA, etc.). Now, they seem to be all together. Which is good. A parent on our team pointed it out to me and others. They were going to reach out to the YSR posters. Maybe they did. Anyway, glad it has been fixed. But this was researched and it had problems only recently. It's a big undertaking hopefully whatever glitch occurred previously has been worked out.
2:08hello i'm the poster re the girl who never sent out one e-mail to a coach. I understand that your experience was from friends that are college coaches. And, we had heard that as well also from friends of ours that coached in college. I was just offering our experience as well just to show nothing is hard and fast. And, that they do reach out if other kids catch their attention. Would i recommend it? no. it would drive me crazy that she didn't reach out prior to events. but it does happen. The benefit was that we knew the coaches had genuine interest if they were seeking her/us out and not just responding to a request. So while the post at 1:33 made it seem like this never happens. And, my experience says otherwise. Again, not recommended.
GFA clearly the best team at this age when playing with a full team.
okay? all teams could make that excuse. most have injuries throughout the season. but, a view of the YSR rankings for the team the above poster is referencing, they didn't even play at Jeff Cup. Are they going to this upcoming season? And, have the teams moved up already re the blog. Is this still 01's or 02's, now? I want to make sure i am on the correct blog for information.
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