Penn Fusion results so far this season.0-1-2 vs Teams ranked 38+SO CAL BLUES ECNL 0 - 9BOSTON BREAKERS ACADEMY ECNL 3 - 3MCLEAN YS ECNL 0 - 27-1-1 vs Teams ranked under 38 ECNLORLANDO CITY YS ECNL 1 - 0WASHINGTON PREMIER FC ECNL 1 - 0WESTERN NEW YORK FLASH ACADEMY ECNL 2 - 0OHIO PREMIER ECNL 1 - 0MARYLAND UNITED FC ECNL 1 - 1ST LOUIS SCOTT GALLAGHER SC MO ECNL 6 - 2FC BUCKS ECNL 2 - 0CASL ECNL 2 - 1MARYLAND UNITED FC ECNL 0 - 33-0-0 vs Teams ranked under 38 Non-ECNLSJEB RUSH ACADEMY 2 - 0UNITED FA PREMIER 1-0BRADDOCK ROAD YOUTH CLUB ELITE ACADEMY 3-1
Here are the ECNL standings, the ones that matter to ECNL teams. And in THOSE games, only one hiccup. Not dismissing the score clearly, they have some work to do, but: FC Bucks ECNL U16 Won 2- 0 SLSG - MO ECNL U16 Won 6- 2 Maryland United FC ECNL U16 Draw 1- 1 Ohio Premier ECNL U16 Won 1- 0 Boston Breakers Academy ECNL U16 Draw 3- 3 WNY Flash Academy - ECNL U16 Won 2- 0 Washington Premier ECNL U16 Won 1- 0 Orlando City ECNL U16 Won 1- 0 So Cal Blues SC ECNL U16 Lost 0- 9 Currently, their Conference record is 2 wins 1 draw (only 3 conference games thus far). They are in 2nd place. Top 5 go to Champs League Play offs. Next two are wild cards where getting in is based on nat'l events/out of conference play. Like other sports, weight of overall/out of conference is not as much as in conference. ECNL tries to capture within a conference all the teams that play high school the same time. Some of the teams you mentioned are in ECNL season when many NE conference teams are in high school season. For instance, while NE teams are mostly in ECNL season, the SE teams are now playing high school. That is why it's hard to get a real read on all the games for all the teams because some are in season, deep into league season and some aren't. That may be another reason why GDA is taking high school out of the mix. Let's circle back to all of this in June.
I agree. As a former coach, looking at records to draw a conclusion about a team just doesn't really work as far as game time. You don't know who played, who wasn't available that day, how much certain kids did play, in what position, etc. Some have deep rosters and have to rotate. Some kids play, some sit out and some kids move up and down rosters. Post season is usually when this all flushes out.
I'm a euro and my team has a huge rosterThey play league gamesThey play Cup gamesThey play Champions league gamesGuess what the stars don't play every game but they still win.If the kids weren't any good they wouldn't be on the roster.Who cares who plays and who doesn't and how much they do the TEAM played.and in soccer it's all about the TEAM not the individual player. The team has 18 role players that play to WIN nothing more nothing less. Soccer is very simple it's just hard to play simple
Tell that to 8:51.
10:51 - so you are a paid euro professional? Congrats. A little weird being on a youth soccer blog, but.... Anyway, as all of your teammates are paid and under contract, I would hope that all are top players. Otherwise, your GM could be in trouble. But, that's not how it is in youth sports on most youth teams. Kids are still in the learning process.
PF parents need to stop making excuses for their teams beat down . 9-0 loss is inexcusable . The reality is their girls just couldn't measure up to the top talent that is out there.
Was on wrong age group re blog. Saw the below. Could affect our kids if soccer adopts soon as well. Thoughts anyone? Is this going to happen in soccer and when? "A Possible First Step in Curbing Early Recruiting? This week, the NCAA Division I Council will vote on proposed legislation that impacts just the sport of Lacrosse, but could be the first step to reforming recruiting in all sports. If approved, the legislation will take effect August 1, 2017 and restrict all recruiting interaction between prospects and Division I lacrosse coaches to not sooner that September 1 of a prospect’s junior year of high school. This proposed legislation affects both phone calls and on-campus visits: Phone Calls: The proposal would not only prohibit Division I lacrosse coaches from placing phone calls to recruits prior to September 1 of the junior year (as is the case currently), but would also prohibit them from accepting calls from recruits or the recruit’s relatives or legal guardians prior to September of junior year. On-Campus Visits: In addition, while lacrosse recruits and their families would still be able to visit a college campus at their own expense at any time they choose, Division I coaches and athletic department staff would be prohibited from having any interaction with recruits or families making an unofficial visit if the visit occurs prior to September 1 of the recruit’s junior year of high school. The provision of complimentary admissions to a campus athletic event during an unofficial visit will also be prohibited prior to September 1 of a recruit’s junior year. Again, if this legislation is approved, it won’t take effect until August and only impacts the sport of lacrosse at the Division I level, but it will be interesting to see if it leads to changes for other sports in the future. "
So the lax coach will just call the club coach, who will then pass on the info to the player, making more work for the club coach! This really isn't any different. Correct me if I am wrong but this doesn't change early recruiting.
So no more id clinics before junior year?Division I coaches and athletic department staff would be prohibited from having any interaction with recruits or families making an unofficial visit if the visit occurs prior to September 1 of the recruit’s junior year of high school.
Curious...any one apply for DA tryout at penn fusion and actually receive an invitation?Sent 10 days ago and no word.
Don't bother. DA spots already known including starting 11. Save your money.
A little different. What happens now is college coach asks club coach to have X player contact him. That is no longer allowed.
Correct. It just now it means there will be more back-and-forth between the club coach and college coach. They need to add no contact with family and youth coaches.
11:08 - don't listen to these boards. Reach out again. Any club worth it's salt is going to take a look at talent.
lol you don't know TM do you? Spots are sealed already.
Do you??? You probably thought they weren't going GDA, either.
TM always has his player deals all in order before tryouts.
Yes. He does..... The best you can hope for is a bench spot for your kid. Maybe they'll see part of a game or two.
You never know what the future holds and who may or may not come back. Why miss out on a possible opportunity?
Their roster is maxed out(too high) in ECNL now. What is happeneng to the girls who don't make DA at PF?
According to the US Soccer presentations given by some Clubs, all GDA rosters can have 16-23 players per roster as well as Developmental Players (DP).
7:49 - so that sounds like room on rosters; don't you agree? Some of the postings may be to scare off some new suitors and steer them elsewhere.
PF like taking kids from other clubs to replace what they already have each year because they don’t develop players. If for some reason players coming from outside clubs don’t workout they just sit them until they quit. This is also done to deplete opposing clubs roster numbers. 30 players on a roster not knowing if you will be playing on the second team, first team or no team each weekend. It's going to be great for youth soccer! Classics DA won't be any better. Unfortunately, there isn’t a properly run girls club in the Philadelphia area. Hopefully a pro club DA isn’t too far away.
I think it will take a couple years for any of the DA clubs to get established. They will either begin attracting players or dwindle away.So you think PF is turning away existing ECNL rostered girls and replacing them with outside players? That's cruel if you've been an existing player and have no clout.
For Penn Fusion & PDA they go back to last year's team combined 01 and 02 players.No clout 12:33 -I thought it was about the best players from with in or external to the club? My friend that is the problem with youth soccer or maybe youth sports to many people with clout. it shouldn't matter where a kid played last year if they are one of the best 20 they should make the team. According to you they shouldn't because a player has been with the club for years and is not top 20 material should have pull.9:59 top of the pyramid was ECNL so if they took other players they were better options and that is what they need to do as a top of the pyramid club. There should be no hate that's the name of the game. All clubs are run properly, parents want their kids at the top and there is nothing wrong with that, the only bummer is it's the top based on opinions of the people in charge of picking but is also part of the game.5:45 they play for another team in the club or find another club at their level.
Sounds like someone who has hurt feelings, 9:59. 30 kids on a roster? Have you hit your head. TGS rosters are on ECNL website have under 20 for U16 and 20 for U15. Have you checked other rosters for other teams? These are in the smaller range.
12:33 - Are you saying a club shouldn't grab a newbie just because they are new?
1:16 - you are correct in your breakdowns.
The problem with youth soccer is not building players from U8 to U14. PF WCUSC have always been poor in developing girls soccer players, even before there was a PF. Not good.
Sounds like you have an axe to grind. Get some coffee; work it out.
That's correct. They don't develop good players, they recruit good players .
So, if that's true, then there should be some spots available for new recruits.
As was mentioned earlier , TM makes his recruiting calls and offers his incentives ( playing time, position , , playing up, practicing up , attending training center, ID camp , acceptance into the Westown School ) before tryouts even take place . Tryouts are usually just a formality and nothing more .
Well my families' experience says otherwise. Shall I repeat in an hour as well?
And, players attend and are successful in many more schools other than Westtown. But, you seem to have SO much more information than those in the Club.
Here's a question.Any one on here ever have to fill out a coach evaluation?Curious...do the clubs want to know how coach is doing or is it all about results? I've been hearing alot of player blaming but whatever happened to a coach being removed when the team doesn't do well?
Sounds like 1am is still upset about his teams 9-0 beat down in AZ
Oh yeah 7:20, that must be it. Hahahaha. Wrong. But, thanks for playing.
9-0 is what's actually funny ! What a disgrace !
PA Soccer.1. PF GDA top of the pyramid 9-0 or what ever not going to change. Top 20 players from the 2002 and 2001 age group plus PAC as another equal option2. Players not making this team can stay and might get GDA not when team goes to 2002 and 2003 for one team and 2001 and 2000 for the other team the following year or try their luck at PAC.3. Players looking to play ECNl will have CFC Delco as an option since it looks like they will play in Dowington or FC Bucks.4. Players on other clubs that play ODP might make the jump and will take spots away. Players with siblings that are elite might make the jump as a package deal5. Other top players might start looking at clubs playing NL as that will be the only other option with an opportunity to play at the National level.6. others will stay local continue to train hard working on skills and attending college ID camps.You see an option for everyone, I'm sure other states are set up the same way.
Fair analysisEither way, gda clubs will take a awhile to buildUp to each to choose their path
Speaking of classics. My daughter wants to tryout there and has registered. the coach is listed as "tbd". All we're told is it will be announced soon but tryouts start this weekend.I'm a little leary of the existing coach after observing the team play so hoping it's not himAnyone with inside scoop?
It's not CC the current 01 coach nor is he an existing Classics coach.
11:04The problem is it's lies. Yes your kid may get him to recommend her for a tc but he will also have a hand in cutting her soon after. Playtime, position guarantees? Expect that to last about 3 games if that. Don't believe me? I say good luck. Seen it happen many many times.
11:37 lol for what?11:40 so do you know who it is? Worth switching clubs?
11:52 Depends. What club is your daughter at now? If she wants to play top level next year there are two choices. PF or Classics.
Saw the coach evaluation comment. This has merit. Has anyone had to fill out one other than for high school?
Coach evaluation is very funny. They are not well liked most of the time from my experiences. Let them be tough on your daughter and grow up a little bit is what I say. The evaluation would have to be mostly written in the end, so parent can explain their situations. Anonymous as well
11:04 You are correct , I've seen it happen many times as well . TM likes to play God . I've never been a big fan of his . He's very untrustworthy .
PF in general is untrustworthy. CS is just as bad a TM. If your kid is top 5 on team she will be fine. Beyond that you will see what people are talking about here. For next years DA team his top 5 already know who they are. The rest have one job. Get the ball to those 5.
Untrustworthy??? Are you serious? They are some of the best coaches in the soccer world. And have very good reputations with other clubs as well as college coaches. Either your kids didn't work out and you are saucey or you just don't understand the green grass. Either way, hopefully you are moving to another team that will best suit your needs. Btw - your/her spot will be gone in seconds.
Either you are too new or one of the fools who are currently falling for the lies. Or youre a coach. I'm sure any spot will be filled. Then next year replaced. Because THATS how it goes at PF.
9:43 - clearly you are not happy with how this is playing out. Plenty of soccer out there. Need to have reasonable expectations though. That is the biggest problem in all youth sports. Kids top out. Parents need to realize that. And some need therapy as well.
Oh and btw none of your list. Just someone who has been through all of this before and knows the deal. Need to see it for what it is; otherwise, YOU may take the fun out of it for your kid too. Sometimes a change is exactly what is needed; fresh eyes; fresh ideas; all of it.
Oh and the therapy comment was meant for the parent(s) not the kids.
Seems like some not happy. 8:54 - so what if the top on the team know who they are? That is how it works on most sports teams. That's not unique to any one club or sport; despite your assumptions. The players who stand out; know they do. You can't hide top scorers; top w/assists; top creators of chances; top defenders; top net minders. They pretty much are easily detected in all games. AND, also easily detected, the kids who dial down their play; don't go to the ball, don't make the runs, make repeated turnovers, check out during plays, don't show for the ball, etc.
Not a previous poster - just reading the recent posts. I'll add my honest two cents. Penn Fusion is frustrating and this may be the year my daughter decides to look elsewhere. No she is not a benchwarmer. They have one coach who I do like but he isn't either of the two in recent discussion. Those two knuckleheads don't give a damn about development. Many of the current 01 parents are desperate for their daughter to have a new coach after having the same one for 5 years. He is set in his ways, has his favorites and refuses to give opportunities to other players who are deserving.
See, spots will be available. Go to the try-outs people. And, despite this person's post, I saw the game in Phoenix. Coach wasn't dialing it in. Some of the players did.
Welcome to the world of capitalism and competition. Your daughter either rises to the top or she begins to fade away. Yes the coaches can have some of the blame but most of the work is up to your daughter.There is NO allegiance to your daughter if she has been with same club for many seasons. A coach will always get a stiffy when he sees a new girl and feels he can "steal" her from another club.As a parent of player in GDA club, my daughter has stood out for many seasons but I also see the coach's excitement as new players show up for training prior to our tryouts.Some coaches develop and sustain their team, others chase the new and exciting flavor of the month.
Next years coach at PF for the DA just led his current 01's to a whopping 9-0 loss in Phoenix! That should be enough to scare most away right there. 9-0 is inexcusable.
Well, as a parent of a kid who switched clubs, it was her choice. She wanted the better players around her to challenge her and make her better. And, they have. She wanted the better overall coaching for improvement. It has. So, she and I were just as excited about her choice of "new and exciting flavor" as they were about her. You are not at another club's training unless you and they have interest. That's how the soccer suitor world works. And, there was no stealing; especially when fees are involved. Her new club is better for her; hands down. It was spending money more wisely as a consumer.
7:42 - seems like you don't understand. Kids gotta play. Coach didn't do this. Kids did.
And, guess what, that game was still packed with coaches. I am sure they are waiting to see how that team responds.
We are talking 9-0. You're saying the coach has no responsibility there?!?!
Im pretty sure any coach there was writing down the numbers of those players who were demolishing PF.
11:55 - classic. After 5 years, it's not the kids, it's the coach. But, I stayed for 5 years because of the coach. Love it. btw, I know other kids even some within that club that would love to have that team's coach. Kids that play on his teams get invites to NT and more.
7:55 - you would think, but not the case.
Keep drinking that Kool-aid
8:08 - no kool aide, fact.
IMO any PF defender who lets their team get beat 9-0 is obviously get out played by far superior competitors . Which tells me they are no where near the top 1%. Kind of pointless to go DA and give up your life for a pipe dream
Finally, one thing you said that is correct. In YOUR opinion. Saw somewhere about empty barrels making the most noise. Kinda fitting.
How does the ball get to the defenders dimwit?Blaming one line of players is ridiculousHow about I say that it's obvious that the forwards and midfielders suck because they didn't keep the ball up attacking? Did they have any shots on goal?Hope you're not a coach
8:44 - Spot on.Probably worse, a player's parent who fancies him/herself a coach or expert.
lets face it , the whole team sucked !
Yep. That day, not good.
Common complaint at the highest level, " If your kid is top 5 on team she will be fine. Beyond that you will see what people are talking about here. For next years DA team his top 5 already know who they are. The rest have one job. Get the ball to those 5". That's everywhere. See it's impossible to keep every family on an 18-20 player roster happy.If you make the bottom 5 on the roster happy because you give them half of every game you make the other 15 families unhappy. Players 1-5 are unhappy because they think if the bottom 5 got 10 minutes or less per game the team would be more successful and they would therefore appear more attractive in US soccer's and top 20 college coach's eyes. The middle 10 don't like the bottom 5 stealing time from them and limiting their exposure. If you play the bottom 5 10 minutes a game, then their families often are absolutely furious and become poison. They even sometimes tell the other parents that the coach "hates" their child, is trying to ruin their future, is frankly an evil person. This poison spreads and half the team buys into the theory that the coach is evil. The team may even be less successful because the unrest spreads to the kids and everyone's enjoyment is affected. The happiest group however remain the top 5. Especially if the coach is actually yelling to the other players get the ball to V, W, X, Y or Z and they are showing well. So the vast majority of coaches decide that their best chance of success is to basically minimize the PT of the bottom 5 as much as they can before running into the poison situation if possible. Some parents lean toward poison and the threshold for setting them off is very low. If he's very, very, lucky the bottom 5 have pretty sane parents who are telling their kids to play hard and decide if they want to switch to another, clean slate, team next year. How many of PF players 10-15 are thinking of witching to PA classics or CFC to try for player 1-5?
I think this is the complaint in every club. The grass always looks greener. Sometimes it really isn't. I read complaints about all the other clubs in PA, MD, NJ, NY, etc. Same thing different parents and locations and leagues. So, is it the clubs or the parental expectations especially at this age? Little mia who was the star at U13/U14 may not be the same star at U16+. Parents have a tough time accepting the plateau. And, then put unrealistic demands on their child. Poor kids are getting pressure from coaches and parents and peers. And, they pressure themselves. Remember, kids are breakable. THe pressures they feel at this age are real. It's still supposed to still be fun you know. Don't take that away.
Tryout season is approaching! Are there any teams looking for players?
Top 5 players are already set at PAC too. It's obvious anywhere.
PF 01 is a decent team. Not amazing, not terrible. They were just out of their league playing So Cal. I wasn't surprised they were shut out but I was surprised they let 9 goals in. I would love to hear what happened that game. Obviously there's a PF parent here so care to share any insight?
Depends, 12:44Is she any good?Outside mid with wheels,maybe?
All PF players in the 10-18/20 range have to be looking to leave. Some of them know they will be replaced and the others know that even if they make the team, they will be riding the bench due to DA rules. In that case, I think you have to think really hard about moving to PAC or CFC
CFC is really good, always has been. PAC has had some rough times. I can tell you the coach makes all the difference. coaches cut, take on new girls, tell new girls parent she cannot be on team. She will only play half the matches. They have to adjust at half time. Do physical training, have a great goal keeper, I mean a great goal keeper at this age is needed. Many girls are same talent level, it just depends on how you coach, train, and again, what girls you take or cut.
@4/21 10:21amYour comments are spot on. Every point you made matches what I have witnessed in youth soccer.
CFC just brought on a new DOC from arguably the top youth soccer club in the country and are putting the finishing touches on a new first class all turf complex at the Proving Grounds. Great training from numerous top level coaches. PAC on the other hand is a great boys club.
And soon to be equal for the girls with the addition of the GDA. "Tbd" coach is said to be fantastic and they just added another turf field last year.
Well 7:52 we got to see how PF responded after that 9-0 loss. They lost again today in Boston. On the bright side seems like they'll be lots of open spots for the DA team. What they should be doing is replacing the coach.
9:34Turf sucks - or haven't you heard?
Grass fields are great if they are professionally maintained and you only play a couple games on them on the weekend, but they simply don't hold up to the rigors of daily training. Turf fields were a requirement for ECNL clubs as well as Boys DA for a reason. I've been to some immaculate grass complexes down south but here in the northeast they are few and far between. I've always felt crappy grass fields favored kick and run teams where as turf favors good passing teams. Guess that's why my daughter prefers turf.
CFC just brought on a new DOC that will have to focus on the boys and the verdict is still out on whether he will be able to handle the current mess. As for first class all turf complex at the Proving Grounds, the CFC ECNL program will be moving back to USTC. They will be more or less the B program for the PF GDA. There is going to be an effort to phase out boys and girls ECNL programs at the Proving Grounds and build the young teams out of USTC. They still will be using turf if that makes you happy.
@949 LOL with your alternative factsClearly you do not understand the role that Tee's plays in this and the eventual 4-6 additional turf fields that will be built there in the next two years.Still reeling from your most recent losses?Let the tears flow.They're barely teenagers.But, keep chasing those wins at the cost of development.Let me know how that works out.....
1:05 Top five players set at PAC??? I'm guessing your considering your daughter in that group? Gotta love the parent that knows everything yet in reality knows very little. You might know five girls that are headed to PAC and will most likely make the team, but you haven't a clue who the top five will be when that team plays its first game (or even at tryouts).
Got to see Jersey Shore Boca play today and they play a pretty good brand of soccer with a strong center mid a solid defenders. Do they have age groups all the way through as Boca or a result of smaller clubs coming together? Good parents on the sideline too (most anyway).
Another PF loss . 2-0 today . What's going on with that team ? Still think your girls are that 1% ?
Gotta love coach mommy and coach daddy self promoting at BOCA again. That team has changed clubs 4 times and I think their players and parents finally realize mommy coach and daddy coach are looking out for their own first and don't have pipeline of college coach connections. Two of their better players has been seen trying out together at a few clubs and they will not attract players with parents who know what is needed to get their kids seen by coaches. They have not done much at all in this season (fall and spring) nor did they go to Disney or CASL and based on their performance this year they won't be there next year either.
and CS is next years PF DA coach too. Why? Great walking advertisement they have going on there. 3 straight losses including one blowout. No wonder they have already offered out DA spots. Gotta get those commitments before anymore losses!!!
CFC girls teams and the boys ECNL are moving back to USTC. The parents have already been told in the town hall meetings. The teams 2002 and younger will train and play out of USTC. Alternative facts would be something other. People at CFC are being told the younger teams will play out of USTC. What isn't an alternative fact is that FC Europa and Lower Merion are playing out of Proving Grounds too. Proving Grounds will rent field to any group that wants to pay. What is a fact is that CFC owns a nice chunk of USTC. They own at USTC, not rent which is big. It's only a matter of time before CFC and PF come together and play our of Chester County.
8:35 Boca mommy and daddy coaches did win their bracket at NEWS this year, so they must have done something right. You can rip them all you want, but those girls play hard for them. Lost to a PA team today, but even in defeat they played hard right to the whistle. 9:17 in dreamland. Please let me know when anything said at a town hall meeting actually equals truth in the following year. The PF director has told NPL parents every year how its an opportunity for players to move up to the ECNL team (Zero girls so far in three years). How many times has the CFC coaches told parents that most of their practices would be held at USTC and just the opposite happened (every year. By the way, I have this car for sale and I'll give you a great deal on it (all highway miles) What would PF have to gain from a badly mismanaged club like CFC? Plus having PF give up their girls ECNL tag is sauce for the goose for a club like CFC.
PF GDA will be A-level and CFC Girls and boys ECNL will be B-level. CFC Boys DA play at a higher level than PF boys ECNL, so CFC DA is the A-level and PF boys ECNL the B-level. PF GDA will play at a higher level than that of the CFC girls ECNL, so PF GDA is A-level and CFC ECNL is B-level. It is pretty simple.NPL players at CFC and PF won't make the ECNL teams because they are low level players. They won't play ECNL. Right now there is an obligation for both CFC and PF to have NPL teams. So the parents are told that their child might have a shot of moving up to the ECNL team. Both clubs tell the parents that, however it isn’t a reality. NPL is a waste of time and money. As for USTC and Proving Grounds, maybe you can ask someone in person at CFC in two weeks at tryouts about the location of training and games next year. The tryouts that are taking place at....ummmm.....USTC...strange, why would they be holding tryouts at USTC for the first time in three years? Must be dreamland..
Yes BOCA won bracket #4 at NEWSS. Teams were not exactly world beaters.
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