Tight balancing act for U15 and U16 thoughThe GS points do help place team in better brackets following tournaments etc...better brackets, better coach visibility
Get that. I guess teams need to earn them in state cups; non-showcase things, if that is possible. There has to be a better way for teams that rely on GSP for tournament placement to continue to be placed appropriately. I know there are some teams that participate in 10+ tournaments (and league play) through out the season to continue to get GS points and some that only participate in 5/6. And, they finish as semi finalists or above to continue to earn GS points to allow them to get into good tourney. And some just want to get their teams in everything to use this as some sort of ranking system when reaching out to college coaches. To find other options re this so that the kids are allowed to be showcased (and not worry about outcome) and the clubs still have opportunity of getting into various tournaments which rely on GSP would be ideal.
8:03 future tournaments look at the results for placement showcase or not. So results are important for the team to be placed in the flight for as you said for the coaches to see how the players react in a competitive environment.What in the world does a coach see when a player that normally plays 20 minutes plays against another player that normally sees only 20 minutes?To me the kids play and the coaches watch - the better team that day wins simple no excuses.8:43 two teams play and one wins for this board it matters since we can't talk about the kids and everybody knows a showcase is about the players.12:28 I agree to a degree but saw first hand your placement means nothing my kid had 12 D1 schools and another 18 D2 and D3 schools watching them play this fall. It's not taboo to be on a good team that wins games and also plays a bunch of games since when has this become a bad thing? So her team gets GS points and 30 schools watching them why should a parent feel bad about that? Because they got 10k in GSP?3:32. I like youth soccer rankings a lot more, I posted the ECNL spreads before lets see how it does with just showcase games played. How about getting their kids seen as much as possible? The only people calling them chasers are the ones wishing their kids played as many games. PS in order to get those points you have to be good and win more times than not.
Here you go Youth Soccer Ranking scores every game matters since Aug 2016 After BYC. No bias I even split the ECNL teams and Non-ECNL teamsRegion 1 ECNL Top 1541.02 FC STARS OF MASSACHUSETTS ECNL (MA)40.46 MCLEAN YS ECNL (VA) 40.26 BOSTON BREAKERS ACADEMY ECNL (MA)39.02 MARYLAND UNITED FC ECNL (MD)38.79 BETHESDA SC MD UNION ECNL (MD) 38.47 FC VIRGINIA ECNL (VA)38.39 WORLD CLASS FC ECNL (NYE) 38.36 ALBERTSON SC FURY ECNL (NYE)38.30 MATCH FIT ACADEMY FC ECNL (NJ)38.24 FC BUCKS ECNL (PAE) 38.06 EAST MEADOW SC ECNL (NYE) 37.91 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY SPLASH (NJ)37.89 CFC CONNECTICUT FC ECNL (CT)37.77 FSA FC ECNL (CT) 37.71 PENN FUSION SA ECNL (PAE)Region 1 Non-ECNL Top 1539.22 SJEB RUSH ACADEMY (NJ) 38.24 PREMIER SC NAVY STRIKERS (MD)38.23 SUSA FC ACADEMY ISA NPL (NYE)38.21 PENNSYLVANIA CLASSICS ACADEMY (PAE) 38.11 BAYSIDE FC BOLTS NPL (RI) 38.09 BRADDOCK ROAD YOUTH CLUB ELITE ACADEMY (VA)38.06 ARLINGTON SA RED (VA)38.04 GREATER BINGHAMTON FC (NYW)37.99 SOUTH SHORE SELECT FC AP (MA) 37.89 NJ WILDCATS FURY NPL (NJ)37.87 UNITED FC 1776 XTREME (PAE) 37.82 LEHIGH VALLEY UNITED FC BLACK (PAE)37.75 WATCHUNG HILLS NJ ELITE FLAMES (NJ)37.68 BEACH FC RED (VA)37.65 OAKWOOD SC ATTACK NPL (CT)
These are all 01/U16 teams, right?
12/6 @7:34 - some ARE GSP chasers. There are some clubs that convenience their parents that they have to do this tourney to get points (sometimes it's not a challenging tourney) and this one and this one. My kid had been on one of those. If you have 12 DI coaches looking at your kid, ask them. They don't care about the points. The points are just to get into tourneys. It's a money grab. And, my kid, committed (top DI school; as a soph), plays ECNL so points don't matter. Speaking from my experience (and not saying it works for everyone). We left a very good premier team that, in my opinion as I paid the bill, chased GSP. Showcase tourneys need to showcase kids not become a point chase.
11:30 and this my friend is the disconnect. First congrats to your kid. How about the kids on that very good premier team? How do they commit? Just go to ID camps? How about all the kids on premier teams go to ECNL teams, wait the numbers can't support that. Should they play on a premier team that doesn't play as much less opportunity to be seen and of course they don't have GS points? or should they play on a premier team that plays at WAGS, Bethesda, CASL, Disney, Jefferson, Delco and maybe an EDP event or 2 that would be 8 opportunities for the players to be seen by their school's of choice. Now if this premier team was good they would place and win lots of GS points that's just the nature of the beast so tell me again how playing these 6 events are a bad thing plus the 2 lower level events to get some D2/D3 schools in the mix? How is this a bad thing? Don't forget they can't go to the ECNL events. Open your eyes what worked for your kid doesn't work for every kid and every kid is important even on those teams you call chasers.So play Bethesda, CASL, Disne, Jefferson & Delco and you are a point chaser if the team does well and wins, wow.
PS. If I ask these D1 coaches about money grabs do you think they will say their id clinics and camps are also? Multiple clinics fora few spots at over $100 per kid and playing tons of games is now also a money grab.Let me see my kid plays 30 games and trains twice a week for less money and is on a roster of less than 18vsmy kid playing 15 games and trains twice a week and is part of a roster in excess of 18 and doesn't get the minutes your kid did - which is the money grab?
Wow!! 12 D1 coaches!!!The future Mia!!!
Not quite Mia, but it does rhyme with it and starts with a "L"..aint that right, slick?
12:23 - my position as stated above is to find a system that does not put the emphasis on winning in showcase tourneys. That's all. If your coach puts the emphasis on winning, he/she (coach) may not play all the kids; he/she may not experiment with putting kids in different positions to show they can do those as well (but maybe not as good as their familiar position), he/she may not encourage creativity. There has to be a better way to get into good tournament brackets without relying on GSP re showcases and allow the coaches to showcase all the kids. How does US Ranking work with tourneys and brackets for non-ECNL teams? Maybe that is the way to go. Certainly a gray area that needs exploring.
@12:23 - do they play league games too in addition to the 6 tourneys you named? So, don't they get points for those? Do they play state cups? Plenty of points in those. Just showing that there are other ways of getting GSpoints and allowing kids to be showcased by not worrying about wins/losses. And, then maybe equitable playing time would work since the outcome doesn't matter.
3:47 This is where we are different - I expect my daughter's coach to coach the team to win regardless of who's on the field, if he/she didn't then i would have a problem and that would be a place I wouldn't want my kid to play. A coach - plays the game the win the player's execute the plays and the good (deep) team win more times than not this is not a bad thing. One person's creativity is another person's ball hog, depends on who you ask. The players need to play their position and role on the field regardless of event league/showcase, not seeing your point. Your assumption is that teams that win don't play all their players and chase points because more times than not they place and that's where my beef is. But i do agree with your point of playing with a short bench at a showcase.The MatchFit and PDA North kicked off the NorthEast NPL last night.MatchFit has a score 35.20 and they beat PDA 4-1 who doesn't have a score yet. Let's see what score PDA gets for this. I would expect 32.20 and their next game against CFC Delco who has a 36.49 score will either increase or decrease their score which will also either increase or decrease matchFit's score. So If PDA beats CFC Delco their score will jump big time which might decrease or increase matchFit's score
Hey 12:23 - I am the previous poster and I get your argument & agree with you re the id camp analogy. Don't ask the college coaches if they think GSP is a money grab. Ask them if they care about the points or even consider GSP a ranking system. My point was to try to get all the kids playing time at some showcase tourneys and for the coaches to not worry about the outcome and forego the points.
I think we all agree ECNL gets the exposure. So for teams not in ECNL the major tournaments are where the top of the roster is showcasing the EDP events and smaller show cases are where the other players play. But you tell them not to do that and they should keep their top of the roster players out of the line up at majors event remember that's their ECNL you only get to Regionals/nationals if you win states and no college coaches watch states/league games or maybe just local schools.No need to ask because i don't think anyone takes GSP seriously besides calling them what they are a spin on the game and a subplot.
4:09 - I am not calling those who play to win chasers. I am saying there are chasers. Completely different. Some who will go to every event just to get points. And, I agree with winning if you are playing everybody in a showcase. Of course, do it. But, some teams don't have a deep bench. And, may not play all the kids to showcase them just to get the win, just to get the points. And, the NPL games you referenced ARE league games. These are points that matter in the final outcome and determines potential Nat'l championship play.
We still have a disconnect. I am saying no team is a chaser.ECNL showcase top players in league games.NON-ECNL teams showcase top players at major showcase events (Bethesda,CASL, Disney, Jefferson).ECNL showcase other players at ECNL showcase events, CASL, jefferson)NON-ECNL showcase other players at mid level showcase eventsA good team deep team wins most times than not so they get points. All top leagues ECNL, National league, ERL, EDP, CCL and some NPLs get points. All top tournaments get points unless they ask to not be included or don't provide results. So in a nut shell if you are good and you win you get points you don't chase you are rewarded by events that give points for being good.The NPL games will have an impact on youth Soccer Rankings score that will impact tournament placement and NPL Final advancement.I guess we just agree to disagree :)
All about balanceTell your daughter: "listen honey, I know your teammates playing this weekend won't be that good and you'll lose games but remember they need to be seen by college coaches too. You may only play 10 mn to allow them time so please be patient"Those 16 D1 coaches watching and begging for you will understand. :)
Really? balance you say. News flash those 16 D1 schools are coming to watch the kids that contacted them and the kids should have told their coach who they invited so the coach knows who to play. Is it fair for those players to play against the bottom of the roster?Don't forget we are talking about teams that have a huge drop off sometimes in talent (not all but most)
Facetious and/or sarcastic no doubt...8:12
I have to chime in here! My daughter plays for a top academy and her coach sent out an email that stated all players will get equal time at showcases. It absolutely was the case. But when we played a non-showcase game it was obvious the better kids stayed in the game much longer!
Every game should be a showcase at this ageA good team will have a fairly even roster so shouldn't matter who playsI'm obviously talking about non-ecnl
No. That is INCORRECTPlayers must learn to COMPETE. There should be a clear winner - and a loser - of each game. League play, tournament play - players show their grace under pressure - when the score counts - like in life.
Who said there weren't winners and losers?Except Bernie Sanders...Tag the post to which you refer next time
5:48 - Does CASL, etc. give GSP points? I didn't think so in the showcase brackets. How about Jeff Cup? And, PDA end of May tourney doesn't award points, either, right even for non-ECNL teams? These are league games for ECNL so count toward the overall standings.
1:57Only Elite flights at CASL get points and will (manually).Jefferson Cup awards points.PDA event asked to be removed from GotsoccerECNL Showcase Events never posted flight/results before so they couldn't be included.
Thank you re CASL 2015 results. Did that change for this year as far as even recording points as they kept leagues together it seems? Txs! And thank you for explanations re the various tourneys.
10:52 The ECNL asked to keep their teams together so reserves can play reserves for them to look better than going up against the best NoECNL players which would test them more and showcase them moreBecause the Non-ECNL team players would be jacked up to play an ECNL team and since they be using this as a showcase for the players that have a chance to play D1 College Soccer who are also jacked up, the ECNL teams would lose a bunch of games hence the Showcase argument and GS hate in my opinion.The points will be added at some points for 2016 CASL - My guess would be ECNL and Elite flights only
From my 12/5 9:33AM postYouth Soccer Rankings USA prediction (using showcase results)38.40 Albertson Fury ECNL U1638.03 East Meadow SC ECNL U16(pick-em - 0.37 diff)Actual Score4 Albertson Fury ECNL U163 East Meadow SC ECNL U161 for 1 so far
Are most girls DA tryouts charging a registration fee?
Why wouldn't they easy money
Youth Soccer Rankings missed this one - Penn Fusion still the team to beat in PA ECNL handles FC Bucks 2-0. Thought for a second maybe the BYC helped FC Bucks the most37.46 Penn Fusion SA ECNL U1638.29 FC Bucks ECNL U16(Bucks -1)Youth Soccer rankings USA scores = 1 out 2 right with this weekend's ECNL games no other scores posted from yesterday.The North East NPL also had games yesterday. 4 PDA South 01 NPL0 FSA FC 01 NPL 0 Albertson Fury 01 NPL 0 East Meadow SC 01 NPL
1:38 - seems like you don't like ECNL. Good players in all leagues. When you have over 100 coaches coming to your games at the ECNL games in CASL, I guess some of the players must be playing good soccer for the coaches to want to watch. Doubt it had anything to do with playing reserves and just playing good soccer.
Wow - 4 goals for Albertson vs EM?Wide open game, I guess.
12:40 - 1:38 here very much the opposite. I like the ECNL very much. But if you read back a few posts maybe you or maybe someone else said that ECNL clubs use these events for the players that don't play much,which I don't buy because it's the bottom of the roster player that rotate not dressing anyway but I played along. My point was CASL never had ECNL flights only prior to this year. So one can come to a conclusion that they want to keep other players away from the college coaches that are coming to see their players. No hate in my post just calling it like i see it. Wow every game that had ECNL teams in it had over 100 coaches didn't know there were that many at CASL, you really want me to believe that? Maybe your kid's team but your kid's team represents their club not the ECNL or maybe you want me to believe that FC Bucks ECNL had over 100 coaches?A good team with a good club brand will bring out the coaches my friend no one is debating that - but if you say reserves play then they must be playing reserves if that's the ECNL model and the reason they are in the same flight with no NON-ECNL teams.I think some of the best teams in the region are ECNL teams no doubt, but there are some others that are not ECNL. But i don't want to debate that been there done that.My point was ECNL reserves would have been better off playing against teams that would be jacked to play an ECNL team than another team's reserves (previous posts) but then you have the hate posts vs non-ECNL teams as chasers and they always play to win because they beat reserves.
1:38 here again - I think Albert might be the team on the Island.They tied MF earlier in the season (yes it was a showcase) curios to see how WC did vs MF in a league game. Not sure about the SUSA teams and NY Surf did play an EM team (but it looks like not the ECNL team - this team played in CT and got smoked by rec teams - per GS account), so I'm not sure how to look at that 2-1 scoreline.
FYI some GDA are beginning ID camps for "outside" players interested
7:59 this age group will look very different this year as the top 2001s disappear from their teams and join the top 2002s in their own league leaving their current 2001 teams looking like a shell sure they have NPL and B teams to pull players but they will drop below the teams that are still together with a full year under their belt. GDA Top 10 (4 point diff between 1 and 10)40.35 FC STARS OF MASSACHUSETTS ECNL (MA)39.52 BOSTON BREAKERS ACADEMY ECNL (MA)38.16 FC VIRGINIA ECNL (VA)38.10 ALBERTSON SC FURY ECNL (NYE)38.09 WORLD CLASS FC ECNL (NYE)37.70 PENN FUSION SA ECNL (PAE)37.62 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY SPLASH (NJ)37.59 EAST MEADOW SC ECNL (NYE)37.37 OAKWOOD SC ATTACK NPL (CT)36.37 EMPIRE UNITED SA ROCHESTER (NYW)ECNL Top 10 (6 point diff between 1 and 10)40.13 MCLEAN YS ECNL (VA) 38.72 BETHESDA SC MD ECNL (MD)38.00 MATCH FIT ACADEMY ECNL (NJ)37.93 MARYLAND UNITED FC ECNL (MD) 37.47 CFC CONNECTICUT FC ECNL (CT)37.38 FC BUCKS ECNL (PAE)37.21 RICHMOND UNITED ECNL (VA)37.15 FSA FC ECNL (CT)36.73 CONTINENTAL FC ECNL (PAE)34.70 FC BOSTON SCORPIONS ECNL (MA) NON-GDA/ECNL Top 10 (1 point diff between 1 and 10)38.67 SJEB RUSH ACADEMY (NJ) 38.13 FC STARS OF MASSACHUSETTS NPL (MA)37.93 PREMIER SC NAVY STRIKERS (MD)37.84 GREATER BINGHAMTON FC (NYW) 37.73 SUSA FC ACADEMY ISA NPL (NYE)37.72 BRADDOCK ROAD YOUTH CLUB ELITE ACADEMY (VA)37.64 ARLINGTON SA RED (VA)37.57 UNITED FC 1776 XTREME (PAE) 37.52 SOUTH SHORE SELECT FC AP (MA)37.51 NJ WILDCATS FURY NPL (NJ)
My bad not this year but in 9 months
1:38. EM Dudnt get smoked in CT. They didn't show up and forfeited, hence the 3-0 scores in all the games.
Smoked my friend - the scoreline is 3-0 Ls to rec teams not ECNL or top non-ECNL teams. I don't care that they didn't show the score is public and it's 3-0 in record book. I know only ECNL games matter to them.
Youth soccer blows no matter where you play. It is all about the money! It is a business . The almighty $$ will always win.
Dec 11@ 4:31Yes, over the course of three games, we had over 135 D1 coaches watching our girls play, including 2 head coaches who have won national championships in the last couple years. We are not a top team, at least in terms of wins and losses. But that's not what's important to these coaches. It's all about individual talent and every ECNL team has plenty of it. And while there may be plenty of individual talent on Non ECNL teams, they will have to work much harder to get that kind of exposure.
Hope the spectators had somewhere to stand/sit and watch game :)
No worries, I was more than happy to stand back a few feet so Erica Walsh could have an unobstructed view of the field.
ECNL and college. Here is a quick synopsis. We do play on a top team, non-ecnl. And have for years as guest player and on club team. We are typically the team playing against the ecnl teams. And we have won the majority of the time. I would rather play on the team that wins, that is how I see it. And if the college coaches are watching ecnl and my daughter is playing against them and playing well and winning. That is the bottom line. We have beaten over last 2.5 years ecnl teams = FC Bucks, PDA Storm, Albertson, PF we tied, and Bethesda we beat. Their is two losses against ecnl, but without being a real ahole I will leave it at that. So if 135 coaches are watching my daughter play against ecnl and win. That is where i want to be.
So this is a few days late, but was at a PA Classic event last weekend and was able to witness both PDA's NPL and Penn Fusions NPL U16 squads. I was amazed at the difference in style of play considering that both these squads are coached by ECNL coaches. PDA's NPL worked out of the back and played soccer regardless of the score and really never lost their shape. Saw two of their games last weekend and its a credit to both coach and players how they played even in defeat.As for Fusion's NPL, lets just say physicality is their best asset. Found themselves behind in one game and just kept fouling and eating up time. Almost never connected more than three passes, although they were good at fielding punts from their keeper.Strange to see styles so different considering that both of their top squads play very similar style and are very good teams.
Well here's the issue. Penn Fusion loses a lot of their bubble kids to local teams' A teams. These players don't want to play with the B team label. DA is bigger and broader and will always field strong B teams. Penn Fusion is stuck with kids the next tier down who really don't even aspire to the A team.
Okay your 135 trumps the 12 - are you happy now? But did the other ECNL teams have 135? Let's see 2002, 2001, 2000, 1999/98 age groups - 3 ECNL flights of 8 teams approx 96 ECNL teams - so are you telling me they all got over 100? If it's just your kid's team great job that's trumps the 12 by far your kid is in a good place good luck. SO I'm guessing of the 135 all the kids on the team were told to contact at least one of the coaches right? Come on I know you all talk.Serioulsy, good for the team but so what - I would much rather talk results black and white or like 1:06 did compare some teams rather than just saying we are all wasting our time it's all about the Showcase - yeah we know that.How did they compare to Classics and Rage's style of play? Did these two play better than either PDA or Fusion? So you liked the way PDA played, but it looks like they were able to play up to midfield and then no creativity, right? That would explain the lack of goals or were they just unlucky?
1:21 some stats to support you post.ECNL teams very similar - correct when it comes to results37.70 PENN FUSION SA ECNL (PAE)37.61 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY SPLASH (NJ)PDA's 2nd and 3rd team were not at Classics.36.50 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY SOUTH NPL (NJ) 35.47 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY SHORE FUSION (NJ)So of the 4 teams that you saw (or maybe 3 ), the team with the worst results played the best? Looked to be an even flight with teams of appropriate skillsets and speed of play, so I can see that 1 goal Ls kind of prove that. If they were much better the scoreline would reflect or if they weren't as good the swcoreline will reflect.36.05 PENNSYLVANIA CLASSICS ACADEMY35.44 READING RAGE SC MORGAN35.33 PENN FUSION SA NPL CRAIGIE34.82 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY HORNETS
1:21Sounds like you are dissing Penn Fusion's NPL entry for this fall. No need for that. I am sure there is talent there - AND kids that are driven to move up.
1:29 - just happened upon this and this age group accidently. A lot of interesting posts. Anyway, ECNL older age group (as you asked about others) had over 100 at just one game. Hope others had as much success.Wishing much success to the various kids in their various leagues. They are the ones doing the work.
Since the ECNL is all about the Showcase and don't care about results - I will list Previews going into the winter break (Florida events will changes some of these) using Youth Soccer Rankings USA starting with North East Girls NPLNorthEast Girls NPL38.12 FC STARS OF MASSACHUSETTS NPL (MA)36.77 WORLD CLASS FC NPL (NYE)36.50 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY SOUTH NPL (NJ)36.07 CONTINENTAL FC NPL (PAE)35.50 CONNECTICUT FC NPL (CT)35.43 MATCH FIT ACADEMY NPL (NJ)35.33 PENN FUSION SA NPL CRAIGIE (PAE)34.92 FC BOSTON SCORPIONS NPL (MA)34.82 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY HORNETS (NJ)34.63 ALBERTSON SC FURY NPL (NYE)34.04 EAST MEADOW SC NPL (NYE)33.99 FC BUCKS NORTH BLACK NPL (PAE)31.90 FSA FC NPL (CT)
New England NPL37.52 SOUTH SHORE SELECT FC AP (MA)37.36 OAKWOOD SC ATTACK NPL (CT) 36.51 BAYSIDE FC BOLTS NPL (RI)35.66 SEACOAST UNITED NPL (NH)35.48 LIVERPOOL FC MA NPL (MA)34.99 YANKEE UNITED FC FLASH NPL (CT)34.44 NEFC BREAKERS NPL (MA) 34.19 GPS MASSACHUSETTS NPL (MA)30.73 AZTEC SOCCER NPL (MA)
NY Club NPL37.72 SUSA FC ACADEMY ISA NPL (NYE)36.44 MASSAPEQUA SC NPL COSMOS (NYE)36.38 STA SOCCER MORRIS UNITED NPL (NJ)36.27 PRINCETON SA IGFA36.07 MANHATTAN SC PRIDE NPL (NYE)35.97 NEW YORK SC ELITE SAPPHIRE (NYE)35.07 NJ CRUSH FC STORM NPL (NJ)34.47 QUICKSTRIKE FC NPL (NYE)
Virginia NPL36.70 VIRGINIA RUSH35.16 FC VIRGINIA UNITED ELITE35.03 CYA COUGARS34.68 RICHMOND KICKERS YSC ELITE34.10 VSA NPL ACADEMY33.66 RICHMOND STRIKERS ELITE GIRLS33.46 NORTHERN VIRGINA SC UNITED BLUE32.87 PRINCE WILLIAM SOCCER COURAGE NPL32.85 VIENNA YS PHOENIX00.00 Annandale United Girls 16U
1:57 Not dissing Penn Fusion as a club, just the style of play of the one team I was watching. I have seen their ECNL team play and its a totally different style and they and their 02 team is very good. Thought the PA Classics team had no idea of what they wanted to do. And while the Rage team was the best possession team there, switching the field and making runs, they missed scoring opportunities constantly.
2:38 - ECNL cares about it's league play. And, some clubs (can't say all) will use a showcase as a showcase; unless it's league play as well such as Sanford/FL, PDA, Phoenix (previously San Diego), etc. So, these are showcases that count toward national standings than a WAGS, Bethesda, CASL, Jeff Cup and the like.
3:46 I'm confused, if they count towards the National Rankings why label them as a showcase? Note: these events have nothing to do with who goes to playoffs or who wins best club (based on the Finals). So explain to me why these Rankings, mean something and WAGS, Bethesda and CASL don't? Because they also mean something towards national Rankings. Oh I got it the ECNL showcases are for the top of the roster and since the bottom of the roster plays at CASL, WAGS and Bethesda we don't want those results counting because the A list players are not playing. GOT IT!
About the USA rankings; are these the InSincSoccer USA rankings or true USA rankings? Pulled up the USA soccer rankings website; my kid's team (a top ECNL team) not even listed. And, InSincSoccer/USA rankings website of her friend's older ECNL team at a local Club (which is a top ECNL team, too) appears to have their CASL results, but doesn't even have their national cup championship games played and won last June, 2016. This team, also not listed in USA soccer rankings website. So, I guess those rankings are not accurate as they claim, either.
4:04 - Not sure why ECNL calls them showcases. Maybe so coaches will know it's a national league event and come to watch. Club coaches may play teams differently at these ECNL showcase events. In our Club, everyone plays. Now, maybe some don't play as much as others, but everyone gets good playing time. If you pull up the ECNL website, and go to one a member's age group page, pick a random one or pick U16. None of the CASL, Bethesda, WAGS games are listed; if that team went and participated. League games only and upcoming FL games are league games and are listed; as are Phoenix games which are scheduled and listed. And, ECNL championships/qualifiers are based on all of these league games (including those at the ECNL showcase events).
4:17 below are your ECNL Region 1 teams from theUSA soccer rankings website. PS. InSinc stinks they have dupes all over the place and compares last year's U14 teams vs U15 teams same as GotSocccer. US Soccer Rankings only lists teams that have played X amount of games this year (after 8/1/2016) because of BYC. So I will argue very accurate. 40.35 FC STARS OF MASSACHUSETTS ECNL (MA) [#2]40.12 MCLEAN YS ECNL (VA) [#3]39.51 BOSTON BREAKERS ACADEMY ECNL (MA) [3 games]38.72 BETHESDA SC MD ECNL (MD) [#20]38.16 FC VIRGINIA ECNL (VA) [#25]38.10 ALBERTSON SC FURY ECNL (NYE) [#29]38.09 WORLD CLASS FC ECNL (NYE) [3 games]37.99 MATCH FIT ACADEMY ECNL (NJ) [3 games]37.93 MARYLAND UNITED FC ECNL (MD) [#39]37.70 PENN FUSION SA ECNL (PAE) [4 games]37.61 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY SPLASH (NJ) [3 games]37.59 EAST MEADOW SC ECNL (NYE) [4 games]37.47 CFC CONNECTICUT FC ECNL (CT) [4 games]37.38 FC BUCKS ECNL (PAE) [4 games]37.21 RICHMOND UNITED ECNL (VA) [#86]37.15 FSA FC ECNL (CT) [3 games]36.73 CONTINENTAL FC ECNL (PAE) [5 games]34.69 FC BOSTON SCORPIONS ECNL (MA) [3 games]
The below ECNL's team page has ECNL league games, ECNL Showcase games and Non ECNL games as I said the most accurate - it doesn't use just gotsoccer event or just ECNL events it uses them all.http://youthsoccerrankings.us/team.html?teamId=1744322
Before37.46 Penn Fusion SA ECNL U1638.29 FC Bucks ECNL U16(Bucks -1)After37.70 Penn Fusion37.38 FC Bucks---------------------------------Before38.40 Albertson Fury ECNL U1638.03 East Meadow SC ECNL U16(pick-em - 0.37 diff)After38.10 Albertson37.59 East MeadowAs teams play more games and their score adjusts it also adjusts all the teams they played. In other wordsif FC Boston goes up from a 34 it will adjust every team they played also. very Accurate,it doesn't matter how many games you play or who you play.Once the ECNL/NPL site updates we can test it some more.FC Stars -6 vs FC BostonPDA -1 vs CFC DelcoWC pickem vs MFBoston -2 vs CT ECNLWC -1 vs CFC DelcoBoston -2 vs FSAor NPLWC NPL -1 vs MF NPLWC NPL -1 vs CFC Delco NPL
I must not be doing something correctly. I tried to view U16 PDA (Players Development Academy) - put this info in the USA Rankings home page and nothing current appeared. Maybe not enough games played for it to be included, yet.Thank you.
Was looking for Splash (ECNL) and Shore is what appeared. Tried Penn Fusion (ECNL) teams too, and others. http://youthsoccerrankings.us/Any suggestions?
@4:04 - not sure what you mean. The ECNL showcase games do mean something as far as finals. There are conference and out of conference games and those final tallies are all used for national/finals. The out of conference box scores can knock teams out of contention (as goal differential and the like count, too).
5:32 & 5:53 correct there is a section "If your team is missing you can view unranked teams here." Click on the here and you go to the below pagehttp://youthsoccerrankings.us/?showUnranked=YI view this site more than gotsoccer for results and also like to view the teams the girls are playing. 5:58 Not picking on FC Virginia just using them - if you see the below link they have 11 games that count towards the playoffs but 14 are listed. The ECNL makes every team do 3 showcase events that are included in the log but are not counted towards qualification. Sorry, i couldn't find what you ere saying in the rules page.I like to follow ECNL, National League and all Region1 leagues NPL, ERL, CCL, NEP and EDPhttp://www.eliteclubsnationalleague.com/mid-atlantic-conference-standings-2/
Txs. I'll see if I can find something to support the ECNL standings, thing. I know my older daughter's team, last season, knocked out a team that was above them in the conference standings (by a game or a point) because of their out of conference/showcase event play; more wins.
Okay just pulled up U16 FC Virginia ECNL standings. They are noting 13 conference games played but are showing 16 games because three of those games were played out of conference (11/11-13) at a national ECNL showcase event in Phoenix. All of the games count or would not be listed. This is a confusing new system. Not really a fan.Last year's system had the conference games listed and in another tab had the national event standings listed. All the games counted, but they were separated in accordance with their event. ECNL event/league games all count toward nationals/finals.
Yes, the conference tab gave the division or conference results and standings and then the other national events gave the overall standings including all the ECNL events such as league plus showcase. There would be a list of teams and a bold line to show which teams were in the Champions (top 25); then a list of teams and another bold line to show the North American Cup (next 15 or 20) and then a bold line to show the Showcase Event (next 15 or 20) and then a final bold line to show which teams beneath it didn't qualify for any nationals/finals. I think the red link is the "tab" substitute in the standings for some teams are doing exactly what I described above.
Not Saying your wrong - I just went by the below Rules. ECNL Showcase events are just that Showcase events for the top of the roster players. The CASL, Bethesda and Jefferson Cups of the world are for the other ECNL players, I would expect the Non-ECNL teams to treat these games like the ECNL teams treat their ECNL showcase events. This is why CASL kept ECNL teams together this year curious to see if Jefferson Cup does the same thing in the Spring to shield the bottom of the roster players. I'm just saying this is how it looks, not how it is.Rules3.16Standings. The standings in each age ECNL Conferenceshall be determined at the end of the ECNL Regular Season (the “Regular Season Standings”). The Regular Season Conference Standings shall determine qualification and seeding forthe ECNL National Playoffsas provided in the attached Exhibit C.Northeast ConferenceStructure: 14Clubs, 1 TableAutomatic ECNL Champions League Qualifiers: 5ØTop five(5)teams (based onpoints (PPG) fromconference games only) qualifyØThe next two(2) teams with the highest PPG in the conference based on conference games only and regardless of division, will be in contention for wildcards into the ECNL Champions League.4.5Overall Club Champion. At the end of the ECNL National Finals, an overall ECNL National Club Champion will be determined based upon the Final Standingsas provided in Exhibit B. Each ECNL Club will earn points towards the ECNL National Club Championship based upon the final position of each ECNL Team in the ECNL Club at the U14, U15, U16, U17, and U18/U19age groups in the Final Standings of the age group. Points will be awarded in each age group according to Exhibit Bhereto. The ECNL Club with the most total points from its ECNL Teams, as determined pursuant to this Rule 4.5, shall be crowned the ECNL National Club Champion. Each ECNL Club will be ranked based upon the Final Standings in each age group (the “ECNL Club Rankings”).2016-17 ECNL Overall Club Ranking PointsU14-U18 Conference Points(based on PPG from conference games only)
Huh. Interesting. Appreciate the info. I guess we'll find out in June or at the upcoming Sanford showcase for those attending. That is not how ECNL event showcases were handled previously. But, everything is in flux.
Just throwing out there that if the ECNL out-of-conference showcase events don't count toward anything, why the 3 minimum requirement? Why not 1 or 2, tops? And, then get the kids in other showcase events where some have opted out so everyone can be showcased.
These are interesting points. I see another change in ECNL conference games. Seems that they are playing 1 game only against conference teams. This is due to the expanded conferences, I assume. Previously, it was two; a home and an away.
Awful new website. Has no historical information for the various original conferences to see the progression. Where are those items? Wormhole? Horrible.
Chiming in - Regular season standings discussed in the Rules, I believe, does include the out of conference play during ECNL showcases. These occur during regular season play. Any ECNL coaches on this blog to give any insight?
12:40 The standings in each age ECNL Conference shall be determined at the end of the ECNL Regular Season. Teams with the highest PPG in the conference based on conference games only. It's pretty straight forward.Goes back to my point. The ECNL showcase events are used for the top of the roster stars no problem with that. So why would anyone expect a Non-ECNL team to not showcase their top of the roster stars at CASL, Jefferson and other majors? Why because the ECNL use these events for the bottom of the roster players? So when the NON-ECNL team wins they are called GSP chasers and playing to win - How about they are just flat out better than the non-ecnl stars and are not chasers and play by the same rules? I believe this is why CASL went with ECNL only flights so bottom of the roster players play bottom of the roster players. The problem with my statement is that bottom of the roster players are still being rotated and not dressing for these events.I'm okay with 3 events - this is why you pick an ECNL team for the exposure you will get unfortunately for some that will be very expensive,not for all.Don't forget about the 1 game - this age group doesn't do fall league games anymore.
3:20 here and the comeback will be to my post we still got 100 D1 schools to watch our bottom of the roster players. My comment is great but did any bottom of the roster players (little playing time) sit out any of the 3 games since you can only dress 18 and most ECNL teams carry 20+
What would you call a team that enters 20 tourneys a season/year, plus league play, for GSP points?
3:20 - The points from the national events DO count toward entries in Championship play as below explained. U15-U17 CHAMPIONS LEAGUE | SUMMARY OF QUALIFICATION ODDS The ECNL Champions League will have 28Automatic Qualifiers based solely on conference games as outlined above. After the Automatic Qualifiers are determined, an additional 15 teams will be placed into a wildcard pool based on their conference points and conference standings as outlined above. Once in the wildcard pool, these 15 teams will be ranked based on points-per-game from all games played –including conference games AND NATIONAL EVENT GAMES. The top four will qualify for ECNL Champions League play.
Also, it seems that the overall ECNL record (including conference AND national events) are used to determine North American Cup qualifiers (nationals).
Thank you for clarifying. And, yes, still good to draw over 100 coaches at any one game whether it is top, middle and/or bottom of roster participating. Clearly there is high interest in those players.
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OK, so what is the deal with NPL this year (NYCSL) - playoff or no playoff at U15-u18?
Unfortunately 5:09, those coaches are really only looking at players 1-6 at the top of the roster. But at least those parents on each team are getting their moneys worth. ECNL is absolutely the best place to be for those top players and they will get offered some awesome opportunities. As far as player number seven on down, not so much. PDA is probably the exception here, they are a little deeper and schools know it.
Well, thanks for that, but I wasn't talking about PDA. There really are other teams that have deep rosters too.
@3:49 Agreed. My kid is on the other ECNL team and the drop off from #4 to 24 is not substantial and by the end of the Spring it may be closer than before.But that's one person's opinion.
I hear ya. Yep, those soccer savants; what can you say? lol
5:09 So you are you telling me the 4th best player will not dress for games? If that's the case then I agree no drop off but if it's the same 8 or 10 players, then there is a drop off.
Depends on the Team/Club, but yes in showcase tourneys that are not league, #4 may not play; especially if committed.
@7:33 I am saying that I believe that one 3 kids will probably dress every game and the rest will rotate.. that's what I have seen so far in a short sample.
So? And, I think 1-3 may change based on the game/opponent as well.
Region 1 tems 16U National LeagueGoing into Disney8th - Beadling 2001 Elite (PA-W)2nd - Greater Binghamton FC (NY-W)7th - FC Frederick 01 (MD) 4th - BRYC Elite Academy 01/02 (VA) 5th - 1776 United FC 01 Xtreme (PA-E)4th - Century V 01 Gold (PA-W)
4:56 your post is misleading. The national events ONLY count in ranking the 15 team wildcards AFTER they use confernce games ONLY to determine the 15 teams. So once again the National Events or Showcase events mean nothing when it comes to qualifying. They are used the same way other events use Non-ECNL events/games to rank teams.U15-U17 CHAMPIONS LEAGUE The ECNL Champions League will have 28 Automatic Qualifiers based solely on conference games as outlined below. After the Automatic Qualifiers are determined, an additional 15 teams will be placedinto a wildcard pool based on their conference points and conference standings as outlined below. Once in the wildcard pool, these 15 teams will be ranked based on PPG from all games played– including conference games and national event gamesAutomatic Berths and Wildcard Consideration for the ECNL Champions Leagueis provided to each conference as follows:based on points (PPG) from conference games only
I don't think there is a team that enters 20 tournaments.I can see2 Leagues (EDP and NYCSL NPL)2 State Cups if you are from NJ or NY6 Tournaments (WAGS, Bethesda, CASL, Disney, Jefferson & Delco)1 Regional Championship event maybe 211 TournamentsI wouldn't call this team a GSP chaser.
Cool discussionWhere do these teams post the ladder of names, #1-#24?
It's the same argument to try and justify. Bottom line the coach will play the players he/she trusts the most. Some posters feel like ranking these kids so I play along. The reality of it is you have 6 players that don't dress per game, I don't for one second buy that 20 players rotate not dressing and I can be wrong it just doesn't make sense and I'm talking available to play. You can tell me you had 100 coaches watching your games and that's cool but they didn't stay for the entire game and they only watched the players playing while they were there. If your kid is dressed and in the game great (better players stay in the game the entire time so they have nothing to worry about and their parents are defending the team) if not better luck next time of I hope they do really well to stand out becasue these coaches are looking for standouts no? At this age every player that plays for a well coached team knows how to play their position.
Well, there are (17+ tourneys and Disney) and I'm not just speaking about this age group. But there was a misunderstanding re the ECNL out of conference events items being included in the count toward nationals.
Meant to clarify, I am considering the cups, etc. as tourneys too as their are multiple games played within the event. Now, the league games are different because there are many more games over a period of time within a league event/tourney. But, the team has to play all of those, as well. THAT is a heck of a lot of soccer for kids.
9:54 I agreeHS soccer approx 20 games in 2.5 months.Club Soccer 3 Nov/Dec tournaments equals 9 games.4 State Cup games maybe 8 if you do both US Club and NCS (this is the max)League games 7 for normal leagues 14 for ECNL teams.throw in a few more tournaments another 3 with 9 games.So we have33 games for Non-ECNL teams29 games for ECNL teamsThen add on the 20 HS games Regionals and nationals for Non-ECNLsand Playoffs and nationals for ECNl teams Not much of a difference in total games, so i agree a ton of soccer but no more that what they played at the younger ages.Dude, which team are you talking about 17 tournaments and Disney?
Let's see how much jefferson values the results of other majors like CASL will append Disney results to this list. I think those would be only majors for Non-ECNL teams.Region 1 Teams @ CASL - 48 region1 teams. For those that like results - let me know I can append other Tournaments to this list.W-T-L-(GD)2-1-0-(5) FC Stars ECNL 20012-1-0-(4) Mclean Youth Soccer Mclean 01 Girls Ecnl2-1-0-(3) World Class FC Ecnl 012-0-1-(2) Albertson Fury 01 ECNL1-2-0-(2) East Meadow Soccer Club Ecnl 011-2-0-(2) FC Virginia ECNL 20011-1-1-(4) Bethesda Union ECNL 011-1-1-(4) FC Bucks Ecnl 011-1-1-(1) Maryland United FC 01G ECNL1-0-2-(-4) Penn Fusion SA '01g Ecnl0-1-2-(-2) PDA Splash0-1-2-(-3) Continental FC 01 ECNL3-0-0-(8) SUSA ELITE G013-0-0-(7) SJEB RUSH 01 GIRLS ACADEMY3-0-0-(7) PDA Madrid (NJ)3-0-0-(6) LVU 2001 Girls Black3-0-0-(6) FC Stars NPL 20012-1-0-(4) South Shore Select U16 AP2-1-0-(4) NEFC - Breakers 2001 NS Elite2-1-0-(2) SUSA ISA G01 NPL2-0-1-(4) Riverhounds Development Academy2-0-1-(4) Syracuse Development Academy (NY-W)2-0-1-(4) FC Stars New Hampshire United 20012-0-1-(3) Fury Athletica2-0-1-(2) Delaware Rush 01'2-0-1-(2) Arlington 01 Red2-0-1-(1) Princeton sa igfa012-0-1-(-1) Loudoun 01G Red2-0-1-(-1) Yankee United F.C. Flash NPL-011-2-0-(2) Bethesda Storm 011-2-0-(1) NY Surf G01 LI1-2-0-(1) FC Copa Academy G01 Black1-1-1-(0) Maryland United FC 01G Red1-1-1-(2) Virginia Rush 01G1-1-1-(1) STA Morris United NPL 011-1-1-(-1) Massapequa NPL 01 Cosmos1-1-1-(-1) Match Fit Academy NE NPL 011-1-1-(-2) NJ Stallions Academy Freedom1-0-2-(-3) Richmond Strikers 01 Elite girls0-2-1-(-2) Manhattan SC G01 Pride NPL0-2-1-(-3) GPS-MA NPL0-1-2-(-2) PLSC Black 01G0-1-2-(-3) FC Richmond Mystx '010-1-2-(-4) Davidsonville Dynamite0-1-2-(-4) NY Surf G010-1-2-(-5) U16 NYSCE 2001 Sapphire0-0-3-(-4) HFC United Thunder0-0-3-(-5) PWSI Courage 01G NPL
You have State, EDP and US Club cups for non-ECNL (this includes USYS and NPL). You have a slew of tourneys not just the top around here (WAGS, Bethesda, CASL, Disney, Jeff Cup, PDA (spring and mem weekend, if you get in), Delco, Stars, Manhattan, News, Classics, various VA tourneys, Ohio. For tourneys that are not showcase brackets, should figure in 3-5 games (playoffs and finals). Then, you have a bunch of leagues and you can be in several (ECNL, EDP, NPL, Nat'l, Regional, NY, PAGS, NJ, etc.) You are on the low end as far as tallies re the amount of games being played for some teams. And, high school as you noted.
ECNL can't play in other leagues. But I agree other leagues don't seem to have this restriction.
Region 1 top teams in Florida. This list shows you the teams that truly are trying to get their kids into top colleges.Dec 28 - 30ECNL FloridaWorld Class FC ECNL U16 Maryland United FC ECNL U16WNY Flash Academy - ECNL U16Penn Fusion SA ECNL U16Bethesda SC ECNL U16FC Boston Scorpions ECNL U16FSA FC ECNL U16FC Stars of Massachusetts ECNL U16FC Bucks ECNL U16PDA ECNL U16East Meadow SC ECNL U16 FC Virginia ECNL U16Match Fit Academy ECNL U16Continental FC ECNL U16Richmond United ECNL U16Boston Breakers Academy ECNL U16Dec 29-31NPL Showcase NJ Crush FC Storm (NJ) VA Rush 01GPenn Fusion 01G NPLPDA Madrid (NJ)Riverhounds Development AcademyFC Virginia United Elite 01CFC United NPL 01SUSA G01 Elite WhiteContinental FC Premier '01FPWSI Courage 01G NPLPDA Hornets (NJ)Cedar Stars Academy Girls U16 FSA FC GIRLS 01 NPLBayside FC Bolts Red NPL 00/01Albertson NPL Fury 01World Class FC '01 StylesSeacoast United 2001 NPLDec 31 - Jan 2DisneyUSYS National LeagueGREATER BINGHAMTON FC 01 SELECT (NYW) BRYC ELITE ACADEMY 0102 (VA) Showcase SJEB RUSH 01 GIRLS ACADEMY (NJ) SUSA ISA NPL G01 (NYE) SYRACUSE DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY SDA 2001 (NYW)1776 UNITED FC XTREME (PAE) NJ WILDCATS AVERBUCH-NPL (NJ) SOUTH SHORE SELECT U16 AP (MA)NJ STALLIONS ACADEMY 01 FREEDOM NPL (NJ) PREMIER SC STRIKERS (MD)STA 2001G NPL (NJ) MASSAPEQUA NPL '01COSMOS (NYE) NEFC - BREAKERS 2001 NPL (MA) MANHATTAN SC PRIDE 01 NPL (NYE) WATCHUNG HILLS NJ ELITE NYSC ELITE 2001 SAPPHIRE (NYE)SUSA ELITE G01 (NYE)BEACHSIDE SC CT BEACHSIDE (CT)LOUDOUN SOCCER 01G RED (VA) NEW YORK SC ELITE G01 SKY (NYE) PIPELINE SC BLACK (MD) ARLINGTON SA 2001 GIRLS RED (VA)FC COPA ACADEMY G00 NPL ROMA (NJ)NEW YORK SURF SOCCER CLUB G01 LI (NYE) NEFC - BREAKERS 2001 NS ELITE (MA)YARDLEY MAKEFIELD 01 BANSHEES (PAE) MERCER FC SPURS (NJ)PA CLASSICS ACADEMY 01 (PAE)AlsoThey were includedTeams in National league are also in ERL (14 games or 4 tournaments)They can't do CASL and Jefferson because of conflicts. Teams in ERL play 7 games and if they do EDP that's 7 moreTeams in PAGs play 3 games and probably also play EDP for 7 more games.State Cup is 4, for the champs it's another 4 at regionals and if they win that and 4 at nationalsMy counts are on the high end - I will compare any two teams for you
Using Youth soccer Rankings below are your current top 20 (note there are teams that will jump right in once they play the minimum games required).These counts include State Cup, ECNL, National League, NPL and Tournaments. # Games - Team - [Score]23 MCLEAN YS ECNL (VA) [40.12]21 FC VIRGINIA ECNL (VA) [38.18]18 RICHMOND UNITED ECNL (VA) [37.42]14 ALBERTSON SC FURY ECNL (NYE) [38.08]10 BETHESDA SC ECNL (MD) [38.73]7 MARYLAND UNITED FC ECNL (MD) [37.97]6 FC STARS OF MASSACHUSETTS ECNL (MA) [40.33]-----------------------------------------------------------20 BRADDOCK ROAD YOUTH CLUB ELITE ACADEMY (VA) [37.67]20 BEACH FC RED (VA) [37.24]18 ARLINGTON SA RED (VA) [37.57]12 NJ WILDCATS FURY NPL (NJ) [37.46]11 UNITED FC 1776 XTREME (PAE) [37.51]11 LEHIGH VALLEY UNITED BLACK (PAE) [37.35]10 SOUTH SHORE SELECT FC AP (MA) [37.43]10 SJEB RUSH ACADEMY (NJ) [38.62]8 CENTURY V SOCCER GOLD (PAW) [37.30]6 WATCHUNG HILLS NJ ELITE FLAMES (NJ) [37.12]6 FC STARS OF MASSACHUSETTS NPL (MA) [38.03]6 PREMIER SC NAVY STRIKERS (MD) [37.91]6 SUSA ISA NPL (NYE) [37.68]
New ECNL Clubs for the 2017-2018 season11/2/2016 Classics Elite (TX)10/31/2016 Carolina Rapids (CA)10/28/2016 FC Pride (IN)8/29/2016 Florida Elite Soccer Academy (FL)8/29/2016 Florida Kraze Krush (FL)8/24/2016 Riverhounds Development Academy (PA)8/22/2016 Tennessee SC (TN)8/9/2016 Elite Girls Academy (NE) 8/3/2016 Davis Legacy (CA)
And more to come.
Why is NJ Wildcats Averbuch playing u16 at Disney? Their team is a 2002 team because of age change ? NJ Wildcats Fury is their u16 team. Can teams play up at this tournament?
11:17 They are using u14 results and all those GS points that mean nothing to get a better flight that Fury can. Fury results should be used for U17Averbuch played u14 with 01s and 02s so in theory their results can't be used for 2002 events since they had 01s playing and 01s can't play down.Gotsoccer puts teams in flights based on their points then it's up to the event to shift them around if they want.9:50 you really think more to come? They are adding 9 already. None to the Northeast yet. I can see the Riverhounds playing the OH teams
6:52 - GS shows the amount of games played. There are some including other age groups that have already played over 45 games and more to come. This is just the items recorded in GS not including items that aren't reported to them. And, some may be in the top tier and some are not.
Younger Age groups? Games played44 NEW YORK SC ELITE G01 SAPPHIRE41 FC COPA ACADEMY G01 BLACK39 STA 2001G NPL39 NJ WILDCATS FURY-NPL 38 SUSA ELITE G0136 NJ STALLIONS ACADEMY 01 FREEDOM NPL36 SOUTH SHORE SELECT U16 AP35 MERCER FC 01 SPURS30 SJEB RUSH 01 GIRLS ACADEMY30 PIPELINE SC BLACK25 BRYC ELITE ACADEMY 01/0226 PREMIER SC NAVY (STRIKERS) 26 1776 UNITED FC XTREME24 OAKWOOD SC ATTACK NPL 0126 HARFORD FC UNITED THUNDER 01/0223 NEFC ELITE U14 GIRLS - DELETE28 MASSAPEQUA NPL '01 COSMOS20 CENTURY V 01 GOLD26 SYRACUSE DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY SDA 200118 GBFC 01 SELECT25 SOUTH CENTRAL PREMIER SPIRIT 25 BRUNO UNITED FC GIRLS 2001 RED21 SUSA ISA NPL G01 Let's add 9 games for the 3 ECNL showcases each team does and 22 regular season games from last season.This does not include Post- Season and Finals,right on par with non-ECNL teams10 + 31 = 41 BETHESDA SC ECNL UNION 017 + 31 = 38 MCLEAN ECNL
Of course more teams will come into ECNL between now and AugustWe dont know yet which DA teams will pass on having both DA and ECNL
The ECNL says you cant be both ECNl and GDA unless you had 3 teams in champions league. That leaves most teams out except those superclubs they have already named as keeping their ECNL teams. So expect more "mergers" like the ones in NorCAl and Florida where one "club" arm keeps the ECNL designation and the other the GDA. Expect thats the main reason CFC and PF are looking to merge. CFC "branch" of the mother club keeps ECNL and PF "branch" keeps GDA. A flavor for everyone.
6:52 - I am not sure where you are getting your info on some of this, but here is a PAGS example of the fall bracket for U15. http://pags.org/_element_display/#%2F80748%2Fschedules%2F2016%2F83818698.html%3Fdummy%3D1482247793895The season is 9 games, plus playoffs. You may be referencing the PAGS short season, but the fall is a full schedule of league/division games. https://home.gotsoccer.com/rankings/team.aspx?TeamID=448068 These PAGS games not listed on this anywhere; but 25 games are listed. I am not using this team as one that has played more than 45 games already (it's a good team and a good club), but as you can see the systems aren't perfect in picking up everything. Just an example of how some games/leagues are in season and results are not posted in GSP or Youth Soccer Rankings. So, some teams are playing more games than actually reflected.
9:18 - I think this will make NPL a stronger option, too.
12;17 @ 4:54 - how is my post misleading? Like yourself, I took the verbiage directly from the rules. The out of conference events in ECNL are used to determine wildcard places (like other sports use to determine wildcard spots if they have them i.e., NFL,...wildcard spots [overall record as conference/div champs are based on conference/div wins] Remember the NY Giants/Superbowl champs from their wildcard spot (overall NFL record). Also, these out of conference games (overall standings) also used to determine North American Cup qualifiers and the other national events at the end of ECNL season. The bottom line is that the out of conference games matter; unlike what you posted.
10:43 - agree. And, some states do indoor events/cups too that don't get any points or anything either and there are futsal leagues as well.
Region 1GIRLS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY CLUB DIRECTORY 2017-2018NWSL Clubs = 5 (3 with ECNL teams)Boston Breakers Academy Sky Blue - PDAWashington Spirit Academy MarylandWashington Spirit Academy VirginiaWestern New York Flash Academy 6 clubs with ECNL teamEast Meadow SCFC Fury FC StarsFC VirginiaPenn Fusion Soccer AcademyWorld Class FC5 Non-ECNL clubsCedar Stars Academy - MonmouthEmpire United Soccer AcademyOakwood Soccer ClubPA ClassicsVirginia Development AcademyBBA, PDA, Stars are top teams at this age group that won't have an impact ouside of the ECNL. EUSA and Oakwood will have a minimum impact as 1 is Us Club and the other USYSA .I know some of you are expecting teams to change a bunch, I am not. In NJ the PDA ECNL team will lose 10-15 players and add 10-15 from their NPL teams. Cedar Stars might have a huge face lift as their teams are not DA material plenty of opportunities for approx 15 girls - so in NJ you lose maybe 30 girls from this age group. In PA PennFusion will lose their 10-15 players to GDA and probably replenish with CFC Delco and FC Bucks ECNL players that want to add a GDA club to their resume. PA Classics will add from local clubs not sure there is much they can improve on. But what do i know only time will tell us what happens.So for this Age Group I think PennFusion becomes the top ECNL teambut outside of them I don't see much of a change.The 3 NY ECNL clubs all got a GDA team so if there wasn't movement before I don't we will see it now.looking forward to the Spring season and watching those YSR rankings, so for my kids team (final scores) played within those rankings. So I kind of like them, even the games that their score dropped if they finished then they would have covered the spread. Wow I feel dirty talking point spreads and youth soccer.
Knowing the area, Penn Fusion will probably pick up skilled/talented kids too from some of the surrounding premier USYS clubs. All of it makes for some very interesting next few years. Grab your popcorn.
I'm guessing the most talented players from around the Harrisburg area will now go to PA classics . No need to go to Penn Fusion anymore .
There are players immediately around Penn Fusion, too. Several high level USYS teams within a few miles. But, some kids/parents may still make the travel from Classics' area because of the product already in place w/PF. Time will tell. Plenty of soccer for everyone.
I don't see existing PF players who reside in the Harrisburg, central PA area changing to Classics. They went to another club for a reason in the first place.From what I hear, the one coach who may have attracted players is no longer there
interesting break down about player movement. Cedar Stars has solid 03-01, I believe. That can make up a DA at our girls age group. But definitely room for a couple of more. Remember girls are playing up, now and recently more than ever. Why? because of age group changing and they can actually do it. Most at U15/16 are grown, taller, stronger. And with HS play you start at 14 yrs old, playing with 17 year olds anyway. PDA is right on, they have plenty of players to look at. PF is interesting because they always seem solid, and if they can put together a stronger team, wow. I do think the PDA U15/16 is weaker than it has been. However due to age thing all teams are new this past fall.
The three best 2001 teams in EPA are Penn Fusion, Continental and FC Bucks and those three are far better than the USYS teams in EPA. LVU, PA Classics, Rage and 1776 are not close to the level, which is a problem for Penn Fusion and PA Classics for a number of reasons. Because of the talent gap between the ECNL and non ECNL teams the GDA clubs will have a difficult time filling in the voids with USYS players, that is if players even leave their USYS teams. The three ECNL clubs already have the best players. It is doubtful that the 2001 ECNL players from Continental and FC Bucks are going to leave their ECNL teams to go to Penn Fusion and PA Classics. Most won't be willing to leave their friends and are simply not going to leave their high school programs, especially when many of the top players on those two teams are loaded with girls that attend private schools. Many of the private school girls are receiving financial aid because of their participation in school soccer. Even the coaching staff at Penn Fusion are worried they won’t be able to retain their own players when being confronted with the elimination of high school soccer. You are always going to find girls that want to play high-level travel soccer (ECNL or National League), but when it becomes soccer specific without the high school soccer option, the player pool becomes significantly reduced. Certainly having the U16/17 and 18/19 combined age groups will help with stabilizing numbers, but it won’t help with quality when the more competitive GDA clubs will be comprised of players that are on the older side of the spectrum. Then add the basic negatives that have plagued the boy’s DA over the years and it becomes very challenging. In the end, you won't see much movement with players in EPA from the 2001 to 1999 age groups. In the near future you will see GDA players sticking closer to the areas they live as the program is a year round periodization for development meeting 4 to 6 times at week, making travel for long distance training difficult. The best bet for a developing and stable GDA will be with the players 2003 and younger.
2:24 PMI heard that PF will not be able to have both ECNL and GDA. If they are allowed, then they will merge with Continental. Then the combined club will have boys and girls DA and ECNL. In the Northeast, I think only PDA and Stars are allowed (by ECNL) to have both a GDA and ECNL. If PF is not allowed both ECNL and GDA, the girls that don't want (or cant make) the GDA will move to Continental or Bucks to stay ECNL. And players could continue to flip flop clubs each year. Obviously this is a pissing match btwn organizations, so thing can happen/change.
The ECNL has already said no to PF having both ECNL and GDA, so it isn’t a pissing match. The people at Continental FC and Penn Fusion are hearing it is only a matter of time before there is a women’s pro team back in Philadelphia. There continues to be a great deal of talk around the water cooler at YSC about the addition of a girl’s program. US Soccer held off on awarding an additional DA slot to the Philadelphia area knowing that a partially funded GDA is increasingly becoming a possibility because of a future pro team. Sky Blue is an easy ride for the Lehigh Valley area players, Central PA players will gravitate towards PA Classics as the boys have done since being awarded the DA and if there is a GDA related to a pro team in Philadelphia, so goes the best players in the Philly area. It is possible the PF GDA won’t have much of a future at all. I think the current U12/13 teams are future of the GDA, but by the time they get to the GDA there might be some pretty big changes.
10:32 - Teams will not be moving; players will. Each of those teams you mentioned have several or at least one very strong player. And, there are others too. Not sure you are aware but kids travel hours to play on PF already. Last year, prior to the NY Flash getting an ECNL emblem, older kids from Buffalo, NY were playing for them as discovery players. And, there are others. It's just the way soccer has evolved. It should be very interesting to see how it all plays out.
10:32 - was at a gathering with a bunch of people many of which have kids that play soccer (boys and girls). Of course, the GDA came up and as a bunch of the kids play ECNL, the topic of high school came up too. Most said their kids would not play high school if they made a GDA team even those attending private schools. It will be interesting to see how it all plays out.
Top players attending The Pennington School, Germantown Academy, Baldwin along with a number of other top prep schools are not leaving those academic schools to play GDA. The academic and social opportunities created at those schools far out weigh GDA. Top players attending those schools are receiving serious financial benefits because they play soccer and they don’t plan on going back to public school. It is very possible some of the rich private school girls at Westtown or the likes might go to GDA because they don’t have an issue paying the $29,500 tuition. Many of the current YMS, FC Bucks and Continental FC girls don’t have the same advantages. It costs $31,000 to go to Pennington, $34,000 to go Germantown Academy and a $36,000 price tag at Baldwin School, but the top girls playing soccer at these high level academic schools are play far far less. No HS prep soccer= no more money for HS prep school. There is no professional soccer path for GDA and at this stage of the game and national team identification starts again when players are in college. All the areas top 2001 players of GDA quality will be committed by the spring if they aren’t already locked up now. So GDA isn’t needed for college exposure. Let’s revisit this topic in the spring and we will see who was more accurate in their assessment.
While we are talking about GDA for a second, did anyone hear that there was a 1 day summit held by US soccer in Chicago to talk about all things and hopefully answer questions for any DOC that have both GDA and ECNL at the same club...guess what...there was no one there to answer questions. The boys technical director was there, but no Jill Ellis, no April Heinrich. April was at a keeper/striker showcase, that I guess was more important *cough* or paid more money *cough*.Total mess, no alignment, no accountability...more clubs will follow Matchfit and drop GDA if they already have ECNL.
12:27 - Not true. Yes, and Springside Chestnut Hill, Agnes Irwin, Notre Dame, Lawrenceville, Villa Joe, Villa Marie, Episcopal, The Hill School, Wm. Penn Charter, Shipley, the Friends' schools, etc. are the same. And, are around the same as far as cost (give or take a few $$). There ARE kids on these teams (and the ones you named) that may opt out of high school ball for GDA. I doubt a school would bounce them for following a dream; in particular if the kid is a great student as well. That isn't how these schools work.
Oh and I am speaking of actual knowledge being a parent w/ kids in these schools.
1:31 - I think it shows how much the relationship between ECNL and USSF has declined.
@11:15 - I think a PF GDA would do well with a YSC GDA, if it should happen. The boys have Continental/Delco and Classics with DA's along with Union Academy/YSC as a neighbor. All of these DA's seem to do well and get along just fine. There is a lot of talent, players and coaches, in that area.
Disney Soccer Showcase (Girls)U16 USYS National LeagueAll divisions will still be up for grabs going into Vegas except for the Redwhich can have the title clinched if the first place team after Disney has 15 or more pointspoints - (goal diff) - teamBlack8 (10) FC KANSAS CITY ACADEMY BLUES ELITE 2001 (MO) 5 (1) NATIONALS UNION 01 GIRLS BLACK (MI) 4 (1) TOTAL FA ELITE 01 (OS) 3 (-2) SLSC COSMOS 01 LAWLESS (OK) Blue8 (5) MICHIGAN JAGUARS 01 GREEN (MI)8 (2) GREATER BINGHAMTON FC 01 SELECT (NYW)7 (1) LAKE FOREST SA 2001 SELECT (IL)1 (-10) TRIANGLE FUTBOL ALLIANCE 01 (NC) Red12 (9) CINCINNATI UNITED SC CUP GOLD (OS)9 (4) MIDWEST UNITED FC 01 ROYAL (MI)8 (3) UNITED FUTBOL ACADEMY UFA 01G PREMIER (GA) 6 (2) BRYC ELITE ACADEMY 0102 (VA)White8 (4) ELITE GIRLS ACADEMY 01 OMAHA MAROON (NE)5 (-2) NATIONALS UNION 01 GIRLS RED (MI) 4 (1) KINGS HAMMER ACADEMY KHA RED (OS) 3 (-3) CSA 01 PREDATOR GIRLS (NC) Region 1 ECNL teams that played at ECNL Phoenix4 (1) Richmond United ECNL U163 (-5) FC Virginia ECNL U16
http://www.ussoccerda.com/161223-wnt-jill-ellis-headlines-girls-development-academy-launch-meetingMerry Christmas and Happy Holidays!
Thanks for the post. Back at you re holiday greetings!!Saw this in the article, "Another aspect that Ellis touched on was how the Girls' Development Academy will be a revolutionary step towards de-emphasizing winning and losing. "This is not a league where it is about points and trophies," Ellis said. "This is a development platform, where it's about competing, growing and helping players get better. That base philosophy is going to send messages to coaches and the coaches will embrace it."Should be great!!!
• 10,700 Current players in the Development Academy• 1,544 Number of players to receive full scholarships from Academy ClubsGirls' Development Academy include more training, less total games, more meaningful games, international rules and standards. In other words a Team might have 24 players of which only 18 will dress for a game of which only 14 will play. The clubs will love this. MF and others that have moved away form the GDA might have moved away because of the higher standards and license requirements.ECNL "GOAL: The goal of the Elite Clubs National League is to change the landscape for elite female soccer players in the United States through innovative, player-centered programming and to enhance the overall experience by creating a better, more enjoyable, and more successful player, coach, and club development model". I will use the same example how is a roster of 24 creating a more enjoyable and successful player when 6 players don't dress?
PS. why did the post made on "December 22, 2016 at 1:31 PM" say no Jill Ellis?Why would you make up stuff? I know it's anonymous and all. Happy Holidays
You know this blog. It's whisper down the lane in print. Let's hope it was a mistake and unintentional.
@4:57 - I hear ya re some ECNL teams, but in some clubs, 6 many not dress for one game. Then the next day's game, another crew rotates out of a game and then on and then on.
5:30 do 24 players sit the same amount of league games and the same amount of showcase games then okay
@12/22 12:27RE: " All the areas top 2001 players of GDA quality will be committed by the spring if they aren’t already locked up now. So GDA isn’t needed for college exposure."My daughter has recently verbally committed...coach is adamant she push for GDA. Most good college programs are shooting for this level of play don't you think? Of course they want future players to receive the best training
7:24 what does that mean? She was given an offer as a Freshman in HS to play College Soccer D1? What did they say - hey come play for us we will give you ??$ if your grades are good enough for you to be admitted? I'm assuming the level of play cannot drop correct since a verbal is not a final offer?Never had the opportunity for some one to give some hardcore facts.Don't care about the school - just very curious how the offer was packaged?100%, 75%, 50% or was it a hard $$$
My kid has had two offers so far the first was packaged as a single percentage of all of the offer components: tuition, room and board, books, and cost of attendance. The other offer was packaged as 100% tuition, books, food (because all athletes eat free) but no cost of attendance or housing. One was fatter than the other but that school was in a lesser conference. Hope that helps
Thanks, my assumption she was given the coaches business card and she called. Good for her!!
Coach fell "in love" with her. She filled out early admissions application.Going down to visit school and meet the team soonNothing concrete yet but looking like 80-90%? Verbal is exactly that though...either one can back out until more concrete steps are taken
9:27 thanks - just picking your brain a little more. Did your child have contact with these schools prior to their interest? If so how was she identified at a game or an id clinic? I'm assuming D1 so the only way they talked was by your kid calling correct? My kid also received an early admission packet after attending an ID clinic just trying to gauge level of interest from this school or if this is normal every day stuff and what to expect next if anything. Once again thanks for sharing. Some scores from Wed December 28, 2016 - ECNL Florida1 Ohio Elite Soccer Academy ECNL U160 World Class FC ECNL U16 1 Maryland United FC ECNL U160 Tampa Bay United ECNL U161 WNY Flash Academy - ECNL U160 Sockers FC ECNL U16 6 Penn Fusion SA ECNL U162 SLSG - MO ECNL U16 5 Bethesda SC ECNL U161 Orlando City ECNL U16 1 FC Boston Scorpions ECNL U161 Ohio Premier ECNL U16 0 FSA FC ECNL U166 McLean Youth Soccer ECNL U16 5 FC Stars of Massachusetts ECNL U160 GSA ECNL U165 FC Bucks ECNL U163 FC Wisconsin Eclipse ECNL U16 2 Connecticut FC ECNL U161 D'Feeters Soccer Club ECNL U16 0 Lonestar SC ECNL U160 Albertson Fury ECNL U16 2 Solar Chelsea SC ECNL U162 PDA ECNL U16
Was observed at a "multi" school ID camp then again at a showcase. Yes she called and we were on campus for ID clinic where the conversation is a bit more "free"
Amazed at the results this morning. Great job by most of the local teams.
Some more scores2 Minnesota Thunder Academy ECNL U161 East Meadow SC ECNL U164 FC Virginia ECNL U161 Match Fit Academy ECNL U165 Continental FC ECNL U162 Atlanta Fire ECNL U16The only teams not winning were the NY/NJ teams they scored a whopping 4 in 5 games - I know it's a showcase and they wanted to show what they can do in front of those coaches. While the PA teams won all 3 and scored 16 goals in the process I know they played weaker teams.Sorry but have always had to listen about PDA/MF were NJ and EM was unstoppable. Along comes BYC and bam things are all out of whack FC Bucks was an ongoing joke but yet they outscored all the NY/NJ teams combined as did CFC Delco and PennFusion. With NEFC aka Boston Breakers and FC Stars looking like locks early on some of these big names won't be going to the playoffs (PDA/MF/WC/EM/Albertson). Lots of fun early on. Must admit did not see the PDA struggles (1 out of 4 .250%)
I am not sure, but a few weeks ago MF U16 beat the same team 4-0 in a similar showcase event in NC.
9:43 MF beat Beachside CT 4-0 at NEWWS - FC Virginia is another animal.Putting Youth Soccer Rankings to the test with today's results (60% accurate - Day 1)Correct: 91 Ohio Elite [39.02]0 World Class FC [38.17]1 Maryland United [38.04]0 Tampa Bay United [36.55]5 Bethesda SC [38.95]1 Orlando City [36.48] 0 FSA FC [37.14]6 McLean YS [40.19]5 FC Stars of Mass [40.38]0 GSA [36.35]5 FC Bucks [37.45]3 FC Wisconsin Eclipse [37.32]2 Connecticut FC [37.50]1 D'Feeters Soccer Club [34.99]4 FC Virginia [38.25]1 Match Fit Academy [38.03]5 Continental FC [36.83]2 Atlanta Fire [36.79]Wrong: 6 - 6 Penn Fusion [37.79]2 SLSG - MO [38.08]1 FC Boston Scorpions [34.75]1 Ohio Premier [38.93]0 Lonestar SC [38.04]0 Albertson Fury [38.17]2 Solar Chelsea [38.79]2 PDA ECNL [37.67]2 Minnesota Thunder [37.29]1 East Meadow SC [37.67]3 Richmond United [37.48]2 Boston Breakers [39.49]
These are the top teams in the region - Teams with a score of 37+ only.With ECNL, NPL showcases and Disney we should see a lot of change come January.1 FC STARS OF MASSACHUSETTS ECNL [40.38]2 MCLEAN YS ECNL [40.19]3 BOSTON BREAKERS ACADEMY ECNL [39.49]4 BETHESDA SC ECNL [38.95]5 SJEB RUSH ACADEMY [38.71]6 FC VIRGINIA ECNL [38.25]7 FC STARS OF MASSACHUSETTS NPL [38.18]8 WORLD CLASS FC ECNL [38.17]9 ALBERTSON SC FURY ECNL [38.17]10 MARYLAND UNITED FC ECNL [38.04]11 MATCH FIT ACADEMY ECNL [38.03]12 PREMIER SC NAVY STRIKERS [38.01]13 GREATER BINGHAMTON FC [37.91]14 PENN FUSION SA ECNL [37.79]15 SUSA ISA NPL [37.78]16 BRYC ELITE ACADEMY [37.74]17 PDA SPLASH [37.67]18 EAST MEADOW SC ECNL [37.67]19 ARLINGTON SA RED [37.63]20 UNITED FC 1776 XTREME [37.59]21 NJ WILDCATS FURY NPL [37.56]22 CFC CONNECTICUT FC ECNL [37.50]23 RICHMOND UNITED ECNL [37.48]24 FC BUCKS ECNL [37.45]25 CENTURY V SOCCER GOLD [37.44]26 SOUTH SHORE SELECT FC AP [37.44]27 LEHIGH VALLEY UNITED BLACK [37.42]28 OAKWOOD SC ATTACK NPL [37.33]29 BEACH FC RED [37.29]30 WATCHUNG HILLS NJ ELITE FLAMES [37.19]31 FSA FC ECNL [37.14]32 NEFC BREAKERS NS ELITE [37.03]
Some scores from Thu December 29, 20163 FC Stars of Massachusetts ECNL U162 Vardar ECNL U161 SLSG - MO ECNL U162 Ohio Elite Soccer Academy ECNL U160 WNY Flash Academy - ECNL U164 Minnesota Thunder Academy ECNL U161 Penn Fusion SA ECNL U161 Maryland United FC ECNL U161 FC Wisconsin Eclipse ECNL U161 FSA FC ECNL U160 PDA ECNL U161 FC Virginia ECNL U16 2 Sockers FC ECNL U162 East Meadow SC ECNL U163 Jacksonville FC ECNL U160 Connecticut FC ECNL U168 Boston Breakers Academy ECNL U161 Internationals SC ECNL U16 2 NJ Crush FC Storm (NJ)5 VA RUSH 013 CFC UNITED NPL 011 PWSI Courage 011 Florida Krush White2001 2 PENN FUSION 01G NPL
Virginia is just good at all age groups. Penn Fusion at the least very good at U15/16. PDA continues to decline, but at least playing good teams and learning I hope. Just remember ladies and gents. Losing is sometimes good. Do you really think at U16/17/18 on and on that you can win every match? What are you learning if you win all the time 3-0, 2-0, 4-0 so on so forth. Lose once in a while, to a great team, no shame, no shame at all. When you think about it you want to play better teams to get better.
MF did not beat the same team, the composite event did not send their ECNL teams only MF did. FC Virginia ECNL team played at CASL that weekend.
MF loses again today 4-2. Way to go!
Some more scores.PDA 0-2-3 this season 3 Ls out of 5 with zero Ws. We are talking PDA and we all know this has never happened before at any ECNL age group previously for them. But you sell it the way you want, at least Madrid is winning and how about FC Bucks?0 Bethesda SC ECNL U160 Tophat SC ECNL U164 FC Bucks ECNL U160 Richmond United ECNL U163 West Coast FC ECNL U161 FC Boston Scorpions ECNL U162 World Class FC ECNL U160 West Florida Flames ECNL U160 Continental FC ECNL U164 McLean Youth Soccer ECNL U162 Match Fit Academy ECNL U164 Lonestar SC ECNL U165 FC Dallas ECNL U160 Albertson Fury ECNL U16 0 SUSA G01 Elite White3 CONTINENTAL FC PREMIER '012 AFC Lightning '01 Gold2 FC Virginia United Elite 013 PDA MADRID 1 Riverhounds Development Academy0 FSA FC GIRLS 01 NPL2 LNSC ECLIPSE BLUE 022 PDA Florida 01G Blue6 WORLD CLASS FC '01 STYLES
It looks like the age realignment affected the Splash in a negative way. Madrid might have faired better. We all knew things were going to change. Let's see how PDA'S other team look moving foward.
Seems that way with Match Fit as well
Splash has not been good for about 2 years now. MF hurting obviously. Mclean is on fire. World Class and Dallas wow.
How is it possible for the Splash to have 40 players on the roster?
Match Fit lost all 3 games to all middle\lower level ECNL Teams. Ouch!Lost 1-4 FC Virginia (Team Record 6-3-4)Lost 2-4 Lonestar (Team Record 6-4-4)Lost 0-1 Richmond (Team record 4-7-2)
I just don't think teams have actual ratings anymore. 90% of most teams are at least 50% changed. I think the bigger clubs will continue to move players around from within there own club. The clubs with large numbers in the same age group will have an advantage. This upcoming spring season will be telling!
Looks like Match Fit could use last years defenders. This is a result of not appreciating what you once had.
looks like the players that left are not replaceable as MF parents on this blog stated.
Where did they go and why, 6:35?
Match Fit lies, promises.
5:18 What's your problem? Little Suzie didn't make the team? Worry about your kid's team. EDP is not the end of the world.
Or maybe Little Suzie made the choice to leave and go to a more reputable club.
Maybe little Suzie left, but little Suzie's mom or dad should have the class to leave without bitching like a she was a jealous parent.Serious question, what are the legitimate odds of little Suzie's team beating MF 2001 ECNL?
Did someone say odds? Using youthsoccer usa rankingsMATCH FIT ACADEMY FC ECNL [36.62]SJEB would be a -1.86 favorite.WC ECNL would be -1.78 favoritePDA ECNL would be -1.60 favoritePDA Madrid would be -1.06 favoriteNJ Wildcats Fury would be -0.78 favoriteNJ STALLIONS -0.14 favoriteJERSEY SHORE BOCA -0.13 favorite MIDDLETOWN SC -0.09 favoriteWC NPL -0.03 favoriteMF favorite over all others (NJ)The updated Region 1 scores 37+1 FC STARS OF MASSACHUSETTS ECNL [40.24]2 MCLEAN YS ECNL [40.22]------------------------------------------------3 BOSTON BREAKERS ACADEMY ECNL [39.62]4 BETHESDA SC ECNL [39.12]------------------------------------------------5 PENN FUSION SA ECNL [38.92]6 FC BUCKS ECNL [38.55]7 SJEB RUSH ACADEMY [38.48]8 WORLD CLASS FC ECNL [38.40]9 FC VIRGINIA ECNL [38.34]1o MARYLAND UNITED FC ECNL [38.29]11 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY ECNL [38.22]12 FC STARS OF MASSACHUSETTS NPL [38.05]------------------------------------------------13 GREATER BINGHAMTON FC [37.80]14 PREMIER SC NAVY STRIKERS [37.79]15 CONTINENTAL FC ECNL [37.78]16 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY MADRID [37.68]17 SUSA ISA NPL [37.60]18 BRADDOCK ROAD YOUTH CLUB ELITE ACADEMY [37.55]19 ARLINGTON SA RED [37.47]20 RICHMOND UNITED ECNL [37.46]21 NJ WILDCATS FURY NPL [37.40]22 ALBERTSON SC FURY ECNL [37.37]23 UNITED FC 1776 XTREME [37.35]24 SOUTH SHORE SELECT FC AP [37.32]25 EAST MEADOW SC ECNL [37.24]26 CENTURY V SOCCER GOLD [37.22]27 LEHIGH VALLEY UNITED BLACK [37.15]28 OAKWOOD SC ATTACK NPL [37.05]29 BEACH FC RED [37.03]
Eastern Regional League flights posted37.80 D1 Greater Binghamton FC 01 Select 37.79 D1 Premier SC Navy 200137.55 D1 BRYC Elite Academy 01/0237.47 D1 Arlington SA 2001 Girls Red37.35 D1 1776 United FC Xtreme37.22 D1 Century V 01 Gold36.76 D1 NJ Stallions Academy 01 Freedom NPL36.56 D1 FC Frederick FC '0136.31 D1 Empire United SA Rochester G16 200136.13 D1 Harford FC United Thunder 01/0236.06 D1 Pipeline SC Black36.03 D1 Beadling SC Elite35.84 D1 Loudoun Soccer 01G Red35.64 D1 Empire United SA Buffalo G16 200134.50 D1 Davidsonville Dynamite33.82 D1 Northern Steel Eclipse------------------------------------------------------37.15 D2 Lehigh Valley United 2001 Girls Black36.29 D2 HMMS Eagle FC 01 UNITED36.22 D2 Fury Soccer Club Athletica35.92 D2 Syracuse Development Academy 2001 ORANGE35.56 D2 Severna Park Black Thunder '0135.39 D2 Yardley Makefield Soccer Premier 01' Banshees35.27 D2 PDA Shore Fusion35.22 D2 LTSC 2001 Strikers (Purple)35.11 D2 Hotspurs Soccer Club 2001 Blue34.61 D2 Rochester Futbol Club Girls 01 33.47 D2 DMS Soccer 2001 Academy Black33.40 D2 SAC Premier White 2001s33.22 D2 Rochester Junior Rhinos 2001 Girls 00.00 D2 Foothills Power00.00 D2 SCS United Elite
Some more YouthSoccer rankings- sorry couldn't do EDP -not sure which teams are inQualified for NPL Finals 201736.70 VIRGINIA RUSHNorthEast NPL38.05 FC STARS OF MASSACHUSETTS NPL37.68 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY MADRID36.65 WORLD CLASS FC NPL36.33 CFC UNITED NPL36.07 CONTINENTAL FC NPL36.03 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY HORNETS35.51 MATCH FIT ACADEMY FC NPL35.37 PENN FUSION SA NPL34.66 FC BOSTON SCORPIONS NPL34.17 ALBERTSON SC NPL FURY33.87 FC BUCKS NORTH BLACK NPL33.84 EAST MEADOW SC NPL33.52 FSA FC NPLNY Club NPL37.60 SUSA ISA NPL (NYE) 36.76 NJ STALLIONS ACADEMY FREEDOM36.24 MASSAPEQUA SC NPL COSMOS 36.21 PRINCETON SA IGFA36.07 STA SOCCER MORRIS UNITED NPL35.89 MANHATTAN SC PRIDE NPL35.18 NEW YORK SC ELITE SKY34.63 NJ CRUSH FC STORM34.37 QUICKSTRIKE FC NPL00.00 BRENTWOOD NPL FREEDOM 2001 NewEngland NPL37.32 SOUTH SHORE SELECT FC AP37.05 OAKWOOD SC ATTACK NPL36.64 BAYSIDE FC BOLTS RED NPL35.61 NEFC BREAKERS NPL 35.55 SEACOAST UNITED NPL 35.03 GPS MASSACHUSETTS NPL34.82 YANKEE UNITED FC FLASH NPL31.16 AZTEC SOCCER NPL
And the best for last the current top of the pyramid40.24 FC STARS OF MASSACHUSETTS ECNL39.62 BOSTON BREAKERS ACADEMY ECNL38.92 PENN FUSION SA ECNL 38.55 FC BUCKS ECNL 38.40 WORLD CLASS FC ECNL 38.22 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY ECNL37.78 CONTINENTAL FC ECNL 37.37 ALBERTSON SC FURY ECNL37.24 EAST MEADOW SC ECNL 36.62 MATCH FIT ACADEMY FC ECNL36.54 FSA FC ECNL36.54 CONNECTICUT FC ECNL 36.19 FC BOSTON SCORPIONS ECNL35.75 WNY FLASH ACADEMY ECNL
National league recapNL Black - FCKC Academy Blues Elite (MO) can clinch a tie forvthe title with a win vs Nationals Union 01 Black (MI) or if the nationals win the door remains wide open for either Florida Elite 2001 (FL) or Fullerton Rangers 01 White (CA-S) toclaimthe title in Vegas. Nationals Union 01 Black has aspotlockedup in next year's National league with a MidWest Regional league Fall title already.NL Blue - the Michigan Jaguars 01 Green (MI) can clinch a spot at nationals and in next year's national league with a win vs LFSA Select (IL)NL Red - CUP Gold 01 (OH-S) wins the title and spot at nationals and next year's national league with one win in Vegas.NL White - the current 1st place team EGA 01 Maroon Omaha (NE) has a spot clinched for next year's national league as the 2nd place Midwest regional league fall team but will likely not win this year's division title. Legends FC 01 Academy (CA-S) with 2 wins in Vegas can clinch the White division.
Region 1 Teams that have qualified------------------------------------------------- 2017 US Youth Soccer Region I Championships - VA1. BRYC ELITE ACADEMY 01/02-------------------------------------------------2017 NPL Finals - IN1. VIRGINIA RUSH
@12:30 MF ECNL 2001 would outplay and outscore everyone of those teams...It's very early in the season, try watching a team before you start trashing them. If you are going by stats in college showcases you are grasping at straws.If they were to lose to any of those teams I would owe you a sincere apology. A little objectivity goes a long way.
12:30 The numbers mean nothing right now... unless you need them to prove something that is simply not there.Try having a shred of objectivity please...MF would beat every team on that list, most games would not be close.See the teams play before you launch a personal tirade. College showcases are not much of a barometer.Start your agenda when you have some actual real data, please. Being petty and jealous is not a good way to go through life.
No agenda pal - those are the Youthsoccer rankings scores with the current team rosters, they are what they are, no excuses made or needed every team played showcase games. Objectivity? No need the data is the data. So is 3:50 and 4:27 the same person, because I'm 12:30 and all I have been posting are youthsoccer ranking scores the same for everyone no favorites and my posts are easy to identify no opinions just the results not selling anything.
The rankings are based solely on team results. Every goal in every game is considered when calculating the ranking of each team. Each team is assigned a score that is measured in goals. To predict the goal difference when two teams play each other simply subtract the score of one team from the score of the other.Wrong (Sjeb favorite by 0.88 o r1)1 SJEB RUSH 01 GIRLS ACADEMY [38.48] 2 SUSA ISA NPL G01 [37.60]Correct (coin flip diff = 0.03)1 1776 UNITED FC XTREME [37.35] 1 SOUTH SHORE SELECT U16 AP [37.32]correct (coin flip diff = 0.16)0 BEADLING SC ELITE [36.03]1 NYSC ELITE 2001 SAPPHIRE [35.87] Correct (Pipeline favorite by 0.88 or 1)1 PIPELINE SC BLACK [36.06]0 NEW YORK SC ELITE G01 SKY [35.18]Wrong (Classics favorite by 1.32 or 1)0 PA CLASSICS ACADEMY 01 [36.28] 0 MERCER FC SPURS [35.06]3 out 5 correct by using just the data (not bad)
@6:16 There isn't NEARLY enough data. And 3 out of 5 is 60%, that's not good.
8:37 That's 60% looking at a random 5 games I picked. If I was to look at the entire Disney lineup I'm sure it would be higher. I like their stats and it's the only place the ECNL teams can't cry about not including all their results.When you say not enough data who are you talking about teams from VA have played 20+ games?Once again no agenda on my part just data not enough or just enough the data is what it is. Teams are what they are. To me these scores tell me that any team in the top 30 can compete vs each other with either one winning. using MF since you like to defend them.MF [36.62]0:1 vs RICHMOND UNITED ECNL [37.46] - correct2:4 vs LONESTAR SC ECNL [37.95] - correct1:4 vs FC VIRGINIA ECNL [38.34] - correct1:0 vs STA SOCCER MORRIS UNITED NPL [36.07] -correct4:0 vs BEACHSIDE SC CT [33.69] - correct1:1 vs ALBERTSON SC FURY ECNL [37.37] - wrong because the diff is .75 and we round it to 1 if the diff was below .50 it would also be correct because we would round it to 0.They are 83.33% correct when predicting MF games -Is that better than 60%?
12:18am - I am a fan of you! Glad you are able to prove to those MF parents that their team is just average.
12:18 This is 8:37 and 87% is pretty good.Can't argue with you about that. Thanks
10:19 Let's talk in June
Nice job NJ Wildcats win top flight at Disney Showcase.
@739That shows as the Wildcats Averbuch team which is 2002 girls so they played up a year & won top flight for 2001 age group at a major national showcase tournament. Very, very impressive.
Plenty of '01s on that Averbush team, of course - but yes - a very nice job keeping their run going. Solid team. Never easy.
Adverbush was not at Disney. It was the fury team. Wildcat director playing gotsoccer games again. Averbush was on the wags applied team list but somehow fury was on the schedule. Same for CASL and now Disney.
2002 Girls are allowed to play up within the same club. It was a mix of players from Averbuch and Fury Teams within the Wildcats Club. Same as the other academies do it. At Raleigh they played in 2002 top flight so that was all 2002 team.
At some point, a team has to stop chasing points
8:26 - but if it gets them in the top flights, what's the issue? This one is on Disney -it's very easy to see when a team is manipulating GS. Just look at their history if you see u15 and u16 flights then you know they are guilty.This is a reason why I prefer Youth Soccer Rankings USA over gotsoccer. Both teams are the same and GS had nothing to do with either team being F1, however if you look at GS there is a big gap. Tournaments will get smart or they just don't care. 37.47 NJ WILDCATS FURY NPL37.11 NJ WILDCATS AVERBUCH NPL
PS. The Averbuch team GS was the right one to use for Disney as this had u14 results that should be used as U16 results. However, Disney should have then noticed that this account is now being used as a U15 account and should have flighted them properly further down regardless of their results at Disney. Wait we'll see the same type of decisions/mistakes made in a few days by Jefferson.PSS from my previous post you can see either team would be flighted the same based on their Fall 2016 results as their scores are about the same. However,Disney should have made an example of them for trying to play the system
But they won the higher division so what's the issue?Why flight them lower? That would be chasing points....
Why didn't Wildcats DOC just have the Fury U16 team club register for the tournament & have some of the 2002 players from Averbush guest play as needed? That way the Fury would have benefitted from the GS points. Speaking of the latter, how does GS award points to the U15 team that used U16 players if that indeed did happen? & the "all other academies do it" excuse is lame.
9:04 Becasue they took a spot of a true U16 team (no smoke and mirrors) who could have also won the flight. Why not use the true U16 gotsoccer account (Fury)? Oh not as many point so a lower flight huh? Cheating the system but i don't blame them they tried and got over this one is on the selection people at Disney. Not major event ever played a team playing up in their top flights. But it is what it is.9:36 and that is the problem - they should not be allowed to use the Averbuch GS account for 2002/U15 events now since they have new season results that included U16/2001 guest players. But GS won't catch that unless someone complains to them.Ps. The other academies don't do it. It's called cheating and that's a sad thing this we are talking about a team with 15 year old players. So sad.
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