"didn't know they give a deadline and never looked at it the way you put it - money might be come available later on. Would the school use that money on a new player or give it out to current recruits?"The deadline is fair enough. They need to find another player should you decide not to take their offer so affording them a time to do this is only reasonable IMO.Assuming the coach has a specific number of players they intend to bring in, I would think that most of the money they've committed to a recruit that goes south would be redirected towards a replacement. But I suppose they could also use at least some of it to sweeten deals with existing recruits in an effort to push the ball over the line.The process is pretty complicated for the coaches as well as us. They've got to try to get players in for as little as is necessary so they have enough left to complete their class.
8:26 Maybe not the answer your looking for, but we did have a conversation with a mid-major D1 coach regarding something similar. His comment was that he always holds back one offer, due to he knows someone always changes their mind during their Junior year (going into senior) and it gives him an opportunity to be ready. Also said that he often ends up with two scholarships left for Juniors simply because the same thing happens to him. So there are absolutely money left out there for Juniors and even Seniors if they get seen by the right coach. Although I still feel that the combined U19/18 age bracket hurts Juniors more than it helps.RP
Isn't Rage doing a combine in the fall?How many sophomores/juniors on your daughter's team now?
Thanks interesting stuff 9:35 and 10:41 all new to me so all of this is interesting to me. I have a learned a lot the past year and a half. ECNL event impact on YSR 36++0.11 CONNECTICUT FC ECNL (CT)  37.04+0.10 NJ ELITE WATCHUNG HILLS FLAMES (NJ)  36.28+0.06 BETHESDA SC ECNL UNION (MD)  37.50+0.04 MCLEAN YS ECNL (VA)  38.77+0.02 FC STARS NPL (MA)  36.70-0.01 UNITED FC 1776 XTREME (PAE)  36.66-0.01 READING RAGE SC MORGAN (PAE)  36.44-0.01 FURY SC ATHLETICA (WV)  36.29-0.01 FC FREDERICK (MD)  36.19-0.02 SJEB RUSH ACADEMY (NJ)  36.48-0.02 VIRGINIA LEGACY SC CCL ELITE (VA)  36.03-0.03 SUSA FC NPL (NYE)  37.20-0.03 PREMIER SC NAVY STRIKERS (MD)  36.70-0.03 BC UNITED SA PREMIER (NYW)  37.01-0.04 SOUTH SHORE SELECT AP (MA)  37.47-0.04 MARYLAND UNITED FC ECNL (MD)  36.30-0.05 RICHMOND UNITED SC VA ECNL (VA)  36.82-0.05 SCORPIONS SC FC BOSTON ECNL (MA)  36.63-0.05 MATCH FIT ACADEMY FC ECNL (NJ)  36.62-0.11 FC STARS OF MASSACHUSETTS ECNL (MA)  38.72-0.13 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY ECNL (NJ)  36.75-0.14 FSA FC ECNL (CT)  36.60-0.19 FC BUCKS ECNL (PAE)  36.56New Teams above 36+n/aNo longer above 36+-0.16 ROCHESTER FC FUTBOL (NYW) 35.84-0.31 CONTINENTAL FC ECNL (PAE) 35.72
11:01 We are going combined U19/18 in the fall. I think (including my daughter) we have six sophomores. Definitely not doing Vegas or Bethesda next year, so thank God there'll be a few coins saved. RP
Anonymous said...May 20, 2017 at 12:50 PM (Top 50)Still in the Top 50+0.81 FC STARS OF MASSACHUSETTS NPL (MA) 36.70+0.78 SOUTH SHORE SELECT FC AP (MA) 37.47+0.74 UNITED FC 1776 XTREME (PAE) 36.66+0.72 CENTURY V SOCCER GOLD (PAW) 35.94+0.70 READING RAGE SC MORGAN (PAE) 36.44+0.68 WATCHUNG HILLS NJ ELITE FLAMES (NJ) 36.28+0.62 FC FREDERICK (MD) 36.19+0.59 SUSA FC NPL (NYE) 37.20+0.54 FSA FC ECNL (CT) 36.60+0.46 PREMIER SC NAVY STRIKERS (MD) 36.70+0.46 FURY SC ATHLETICA (WV) 36.29+0.42 CONNECTICUT FC ECNL (CT) 37.04+0.33 FC BOSTON SCORPIONS ECNL (MA) 36.63 +0.33 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY SOUTH NPL (NJ) 35.88+0.31 BEADLING SC ELITE (PAW) 35.72+0.29 BETHESDA SC ECNL (MD) 37.50+0.29 RICHMOND UNITED ECNL (VA) 36.82+0.23 BC UNITED SA PREMIER (NYW) 37.01+0.15 VIRGINIA BEACH TRAVEL FC RED (VA) 36.03+0.06 NJ STALLIONS ACADEMY FREEDOM NPL (NJ) 35.41-0.06 SJEB RUSH PREMIER WHITE (NJ) 35.27-0.08 ARLINGTON SA RED (VA)35.88-0.08 NJ WILDCATS FURY NPL (NJ) 35.87-0.14 NEFC BREAKERS NPL (MA) 35.61-0.18 MATCH FIT ACADEMY FC ECNL (NJ) 36.62-0.19 FC STARS OF MASSACHUSETTS ECNL (MA) 38.72-0.22 LEHIGH VALLEY UNITED BLACK (PAE) 35.52-0.29 GPS MASSACHUSETTS NPL (MA) 35.24-0.35 MARYLAND UNITED FC ECNL (MD) 36.30 -0.35 BRADDOCK ROAD YOUTH CLUB ELITE ACADEMY (VA) 35.57-0.45 MCLEAN YS ECNL (VA) 38.77-0.47 FC BUCKS ECNL (PAE) 36.56-0.47 CONTINENTAL FC ECNL (PAE) 35.72-0.48 ALBERTSON SC ECNL (NYE) 35.88-0.52 SJEB RUSH ACADEMY (NJ) 36.48-0.56 MATCH FIT ACADEMY FC NORTHEAST NPL (NJ) 35.14-0.59 SUSA FC ELITE (NYE) 35.27-0.85 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY ECNL (NJ) 36.75Current top 50 - Not in top 50 back on May 20, 2017WORLD CLASS FC ECNL (NYE) 35.91ROCHESTER FC FUTBOL (NYW) 35.84EAST MEADOW SC ECNL (NYE) 35.79HARFORD FC UNITED THUNDER (MD) 35.75BEACH FC VA RED (VA) 35.64LOUDOUN SC SOCCER RED (VA) 35.47PENN FUSION SA PREACADEMY CRAIGIE (PAE) 35.44NEFC BBA NS ELITE (MA) 35.42PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY FUSION (NJ) 35.36SEACOAST UNITED NPL (NH) 35.32ARLINGTON SA RED (VA) 35.31 MORRIS UNITED SA STA NPL (NJ) 35.17Dropped out of Top 50-0.25 HARLEYSVILLE FC READY (PAE) 35.05-0.44 NEW YORK SC ELITE SAPPHIRE (NYE) 34.87-0.90 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY NORTH NPL (NJ) 34.53-0.93 NEW YORK SURF SC LI (NYE) 34.45-1.04 WORLD CLASS FC NPL (NYE) 34.32-1.48 PRINCETON SA NPL (NJ) 35.05
Thanks RP.I didn't realize team was so "heavy" with juniors.My older daughter did a combo team her last 2 years and it worked well overall.Main thing was the juniors the first combo year needed to contact and make it clear to colleges which players they were at showcases.Some colleges just bypass "senior" teams.
1:38 Exactly! Contact is paramount for combined teams. Last year son received all but $4,000 of a full tuition ($33,000), and was seen at a very low level tournament where the college coach came to watch another player. So you just never know who's watching. To all on this blog, think about how many players and parents you and your daughter have met since U8 or U9. Then think about how many have played up to U13-U15 and stopped for various reasons. Your daughters and you have never stopped and regardless of where they end up, or regardless of how much shit we give one another one here, All these girls have persevered and stayed true to their dream. I think both player and parent have to be admired for that. RP
"All these girls have persevered and stayed true to their dream. I think both player and parent have to be admired for that."I was chatting with a college coach on the sideline of a match at CASL who said he was finding this game to be very entertaining. Said he'd seen a few stinkers earlier on in the day but that every single girl on the field for both teams in this match had a place in NCAA soccer. Not all DIs he said, but definitely a place somewhere. I thought it was a nice thing to hear him say and it made me realize how similar our hated opponents and they families really were to us.
Agree 100% 313.3:39 Good luck to your kid if she doesn't have an offer - I think so many players are in the middle that will fight for spots some will win and some will not. Posting about results and lists just takes away from the edge i hope for some. Elite Development Program - NPL Division3 NJ WILDCATS FURY-NPL 1 CEDAR STARS ACADEMY - MONMOUTH 2001G GREEN4 FC COPA ACADEMY G01 BLACK 0 NEW JERSEY RUSH 01 GIRLS NPL4 ALLEYCATS 2001G NPL 0 TSF ACADEMY 2001G5 SAC PREMIER BLUE0 BETHESDA SC STORM 01Northeast Girls NPL4 PDA North 01 NPL0 Continental FC 01 NPL1 Scorpions SC 01 NPL5 FC Stars 01 NPL4 Connecticut FC 01 NPL2 FSA FC 01 NPLNew York Club Soccer League - NPL Division1 Quickstrike NPL-014 STA NPL-01 42 Quickstrike NPL-014 Manhattan NPL-012 SUSA NPL-010 NJ Stallions NPL-013 Massapequa NPL-012 STA NPL-015 NJ Crush NPL-010 New York SC NPL-01New England Premiership - NPL Division3 NEFC BBA 2001 NPL0 AZTEC SOCCER GIRLS 01 NPL1 GPS MA ELITE RED 01 GIRLS3 SEACOAST UNITED NPL 20011 BAYSIDE FC 2001 NPL GIRLS6 SOUTH SHORE SELECT U17 AP
Wow! I posted at 3:13 and just realized how horrible my grammar was throughout that post. Was rushing off to a 4:00 lacrosse game and I apologize. Really need the "Grammar Nazi" back.RP
The "Grammar Nazi" never left... Now you can call me the "Lazy Grammar Nazi" now.
Someone stepping in and is a fraud!!!I'm the original Spell Check and Grammar Nazi!!I've grown weary of commenting on improper English, but trust me, I still see it!!How's NC going for y'all?Our team is doing pretty well and I wish we had the same roster choices the rest of the season. Nice to see 01s playing with their designated age group and not playing up all the time!
Now, that, is an imposter ^
How's NC going for y'all? The real "Grammar Nazi" would never say that. As for 6:33, if you are with PAC, I'm glad to see them doing well and playing their actual full squad.
Are you criticizing my southern roots?Y'all are cruel!
Lots of jokesters is all.
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Good weekend for PAC and it should end well today also considering the team they play has 16 GF and 132 GA in 26 games.
Any team can play down to the level of their opponent. I know, I have watch our team do it many times.
You must be fun at parties...byok"bring your own knife"
11:38 what are you talking about USSF did a good job with their event They had the #53 team play the #59 and #61 teams - the comp was appropriate for PAC, maybe they could have played teams in the upper #40s. Baby steps they can only play who is on the field. I agree 10:48 a win and they go home with 2 wins and a tie. Great Job. But I also agree with 11:38 right level of play w ins are 2 wins but 2 wins vs top 20 teams pulls a little more weight. However, it is a step in the right direction. They could be like Empire with a -13 in 2 games or LISC with a -11 or VDA with a -4. PAC did better than WSA Baltimore, Cedar Stars and Sky Blue NYSC. I think they passed these teams with FC Stars and Oakwood in their sights. Let's see how they do in league games vs these teams. Who knows if they add a few players of quality to upgrade or add depth who knows.Mr. List
Thanks 12:34 for using factual comments.Some people on here are just miserable.
NJ/PAE Non ECNL vs ECNLNON ECNL record vs ECNL when they give up0-1 goals 73% GD+162 goals 23% GD-133+ goals 4% GD-42overall 39% GD-39
11:38 here. Was not putting down PAC at all, and if fact they have proven they are a much stronger team when they have all their players. I'm just saying that I have watched my own daughter's team play down to the level ofcompetition they sometimes face. Complacency can set in at anytime.
PAC NC Showcase results3:0 Albion SC1:1 Sockers FC7:0 PSV Union FC
11 goals scored and gave up only one. Safe to say they were in the wrong bracket.
I'm probably just an ignorant old fart who hasn't taken enough time to grasp the real significance of the stats about the relationship between conceding goals and winning percentage...But are you serious? I mean, EUREKA! You're really onto something there. Hey Coach, tell the girls to stop giving up goals and they'll probably win more.Dang! I can't believe no one thought of this before!(Sorry, I suppose I'm definitely just an ignorant old fart).
8:02 Your not ignorant at all. Just missed your scheduled medication time. Double the dose at 12:00 and you'll be fine.
PAC plays decent, they're in wrong bracket...PAC gets beat, they suck...There you have it. Thanks for the comments and we'll let the coach know!
5:59 If you don't not appreciate comments about your team, good or bad, you shouldn't be on this board. Fact is, PAC played much better than the other horrible teams they were up against. At least PAC proved they are not in that class and just doubled their win total from their fall and spring season.
A solid roster, a stable roster..... success. Looks like PAC finally had just that for NC and it worked. Who would’ve known.
7:43PAC did play well.I do like reading this blog. If I didn't, I wouldn't see all the d bags who post.
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10:45,Took your advice and am feeling much better! Thanks!Also, I saw Barcelona concede 3 goals yesterday and, lo and behold, they lost!So yeah, I think I've got it now!
Now I'm hoping someone will do a study to see if there's any possible correlation between scoring goals and winning matches. Now THAT could be fascinating.
Of course, the real target would be a study comparing data on both goals scored and conceded by teams to see if these two might somehow combine to have a relationship to winning percentage. But that's pretty sophisticated stuff and probably years away.
1:01 and 1:08. Both of you manage to post supposed idealistic post that crossover into the realm of sarcasm. Yet did it in a conversational tone. Very impressive and shows how a professional blogger does it. So I'll have to try to take that a step farther and compare two teams that play totally different formations and styles, yet both have experienced a certain level of success. 1776 - 57 GS 18 GA 18th YSR Region One Ranking 20 wins 7 ties 3 lossesRage United -114 GS 32 GA 24th YSR Region One Ranking 27 wins 9 ties 1 lossMy apologies to Mr. List, I couldn't find the Won-Loss totals on YSR, so had to check out Gotsoccer for that info, so not totally sure of its accuracy. 1776 does get the nod because of their ability to stop other teams from scoring, Especially during tournament play. Rage scored 8 goals at Jeff, yet gave up 6 (2 wins and a tie). In a points type tournament, that is a recipe for not finishing first or second.Rage Parent
PAC did well against other rec level bottom dweller GDA teams. Huge spread in quality from top to bottom of table. No accomplishment sorry. The dilution of all these leagues is insane. Starting to think there may be something to this PDA pulling out of GDA banter. Nothing on their tryouts page about either GDA or ECNL for girls. Boys posted but not girls.
Like a previous poster mentioned it doesn’t matter how well some teams do or the progress they make. Haters will be haters. I guarantee 4:02 is the parent no one can stand to be around.
Yeah but his mom loves him.....maybe.
I’d assume you’d place PF at the top of the GDA. Most would. The PF - PAC result a few weeks back was PF 1-0 right? PAC is one heck of a Rec level bottom dweller!
Not to totally defend 4:02, but if you play 10 players behind the ball, a 1-0 result is fairly common.
and with that, the excuses begin.
By the way, the Stallions have a couple of really cute mommies on that sideline. Ones that should always wear yoga pants and actually cheer in normal voices. Probably moved to NJ from NY.
Wow! A yoga pants soccer mom swipe? Dang, this place in vicious!
Nothing worse than glass shattering high pitched nasal voices, coming out of a bell shape lady dressed in electric blue yoga pants. With a lime green scarf and red sunglasses.
I look at the times of the posts and then I picture some guys in their basement sitting in their whity tighties sipping on a beverage while they post! They have multiple screens open, all to porn sites and then the one on this blog. What an ugly pic to remove from my mind!Cheers!
6:24 you on this blog and you claim to have a mind? Now who is the delusional one?
pot and kettle no?
"...They have multiple screens open, all to porn sites and then the one on this blog..."Got my 56" screen showing some soccer mom yoga pants porn right now! But I'm wearing boxers (plaid).
Man that yoga pants post went sooo sideways. See what happens when PAC and PF both have a good weekend? It just ruins everything!
Following a good run in NC, will be a good weekend...PF win 2-1 and 4-2PAC win 4-1 and tie 2-2
Whoa horsey!!! Doesn't PAC go back to moving players up to U19 again? If that's the case, then it's back to 1-0 games.
Exactly. Plus there is only one game this weekend, next weekend is 2.At least we know it wasn't a pf or pac parent posting...
"Doesn't PAC go back to moving players up to U19 again?"They don't have a choice, only 9 rostered on U19...Does anyone know the reason btw? And facts are good not bs please!Is it as simple as not enough girls in the area?
All PAC has to do is make it through this season. Their numbers will increase next year as a number of clubs have merged with them.
Some people may call that dilution....
So where are all these new qualified coaches coming from if pac will now have multiple teams at each age group?The mergers are with rec clubs correct?
Penn Legacy, CASA, FC York, and a few other Harrisburg area clubs. No rec clubs.
Those are rec clubs. Hence the better players movement out of central PA to Philadelphia for years. Some even stopped at PAC before changing direction. 1-0 Lol yes that summarizes the difference between the top and bottom 10% in the GDA. Minimal dilutional effect of the two competing leagues and overstocked "elite" soccer.
Which will be PAC? Penn Legacy who lost 4-0 to HMMS and who else from below list previously posted?USYS State Cup (PAE)4 HMMS GIRLS 20010 Penn Legacy Girls Black 20014 LDC United Attack Girls 20018 NORTH UNION UNITED SC WAVE GIRLS ..3 PA Classics Elite Girls 20016 HARLEYSVILLE SOCCER ASSOCIATION PKs5 PENN ALLIANCE SELECT BLASTERS GIR..4 Tredyffrin-Easttown Youth SA Girls 2001
What bitter parent has the PAC obsession? Club looks to be moving in the right direction and everyone said this GDA was going to be a work in progress. Not every club came straight from ECNL. Relax!
PA is a JOKE.....
Yo Joizey is that you?
You know when you play a NJ team and you'll be talking with a group of their parents during the game, talking about colleges or how we fared against other teams. Then there's that one guy you hear screaming at the ref or his kid and the NJ parents apologize for the idiot and you feel sorry they have to deal with him. 6:27 is that guy.
Are you saying 6:27 is that guy wearing the whitey tighties or the one in the yoga pants?
This is a memo out to any NJ Stallions parent or someone who would consider going there. You should quit that team and find something better. I’m not talking about the teams record, but quality of life. Any time that you go up against a better team, your coach has taught them to foul as much as possible, and just play dirty, disgusting soccer, if you can even call it that. I’m not talking about good, physical play, which your coach has made you believe that is what your doing, but it’s not, and it’s awful looking to anyone watching. It’s a style of play, not a good one, but I can at least get my mind around why you are doing it when you are out matched. What I don’t get is how you can keep your daughters on a team that the coach berates them continuously off and on the field. I’ve seen him scream in their faces when they come off the field continuously, continuously scream when bad plays or made, or when a goalie accidentally kicks the ball out of bounds in 40mph winds. It’s disgusting and your daughters deserve better than that. There’s a better world of soccer out there for them. On a positive note, at least all the players and parents that go up against them realize how good they have it where they are, and at least they aren’t playing for THAT coach
6:58 are you one of those parents?Or did you just witness this craziness?
It is very sad. We played them and the coach was going nuts! I left there telling my kid I would of ripped that guys head off if he spoke to her that way.
There's a similar coach in PA who carries this wonderful notoriety as well.He loves red cards and being escorted off the field as well.
I hear ya 6:58! And I hear the dude wears yoga pants too!
If it’s the first time that you learn about SC at U17 - it just means his reputation is not as strong as it used to be. I know equal amount of parents that hate him as swear by his methods and results.
2:13 I think he's the guy wearing the whitey tighties over the yoga pants, exercising to "eye of the tiger" in his mom's basement while watching Richard Simmons videos.
4:14, thanks for the clarification (and detail)! I love that!
So if we put the Penn United Coach, the Stallions coach and Big Red in a cage match, who the winner? Yoga pants wearing whitey tightie guy could be the make believe ref.
6:58. Regarding Stallions, they are not a dirty team, problem lies with Coach SC berating them from start to finish of every match. Players become anxious and upset during match and lash out as a result. The refs, parents, league, club and opposing coaches have the opportunity to put him in his place, the majority just turn a blind eye. It's a shame.
8:12I’ve seen them clicking heels after the play is gone, pulling on players, fouling continuously, throwing elbows etc. I’ve seen a lot worse, and a lot dirtier, but that usually comes mixed in with good soccer. What I saw was barely soccer, and it was sad to see. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t blame the players, it’s taught and instilled into them over years, and it’s what they become as a team, and it’s a direct correlation to the coach.
Mr. List, I've come to the conclusion that our Rage team will never live up to the YSR scoring formula. Played SJEB White to a 2-2 tie today and I'm positive that's not what YSR would predict. RP
PF losing 3-0 was probably not a predicted score either. Especially after a great showing in NC. PAC kept rolling along with a 2-1 win.
Wow a 3-0 loss for the mighty PF! I can’t wait to hear the excuses.
Was a little surprised, because the played three of their committed players that didn't play in NC and you would think they would have been even stronger. Soccer is cruel at times.
PF didn't play other committed players that played in NC. Need to get all players time in GDA. One of the curses of a big roster.
Meanwhile in PA, the most classless social media post of the year was found on a Facebook post by FC Revolution's owner and sometimes coach. After holding tryouts last week and calling last years players that didn't come back to his club "rejects", he then ripped into the useless viability of the DA, and neighboring Rage United. Nothing like a grown man attacking players of all age groups because they wanted to try the DA and other venues. Its funny how $2000.00 walking away can change your opinion of a players ability. As much as we rip TM and all the other club officials on here, I can't see them ever calling players "rejects" on social media.
Page is not private. I see nothing of the sort.
Rage score is 36.38 vs a SJEB RUSH PREMIER WHITE with a score of 35.30, should have been a Rage win since they were favorite by 1.08. Yes the final was 2-2 but could it have been a 1 goal win? If you answer yes then YSR did it's job. Unfortunately, in this great game things don't always go according to plan. Sometimes a team like the Red Bulls can have 21 shots on goal and all they need was 1 to find the net vs Chivas instead it was a 0-0 draw and a 1-0 loss on aggregateMr List.
8:41 All six post were deleted this morning after a small firestorm last night. I guess once one sobers up and says "oh shit, did I say that", it's time to delete. Screen shots of it were flying around for quite awhile.
The post were not on the FC Revolution site, but instead posted on the owner's personal site, which was removed this morning. If there was ever any doubt on why that club has gone downhill, that classless remark and a few more is just the tip of the iceberg. The owner coaching 8 teams and having four teams practice indoors at the same time with just one coach present. Europa Cup cancellation and PA Classic tourney cancelled two straight years and never made up, yet money never returned to parents. $2000 dollar fee and and carrying 20 players, yet U17/18 teams never in any tournaments outside of PA, except Charlotte Moran in DE. Offered $300 discount in February last year to any families willing to pay upfront for the whole season, lets not forget this was two months before tryouts are scheduled, so if you paid up, your kid made the team. Anyone see any warning signs here? On the plus side, the website is top notch and easy to navigate.
9:35 six post, it was Saturday night and the drinks must have been flowing. His Sunday morning deletes are pretty common and happened two weeks ago also. We actually look forward to his posting, simply because its great to see such contradictions from what he said just a month earlier. Use to be a weekly attack on ECNL, but the DA is now on trial. Rage United is simply posted as the Darkside or the opposition that doesn't know what their doing. Usually he doesn't start attacking individuals till later in the evening, but it only took until 7:30 (7:37 actually) last night to call players leaving "rejects". But like magic, all post gone by 8am this morning. The powers of that morning hangover first coffee is amazing. If any of you are looking for a tryout with the club, it's only a $25 dollar fee and you do receive a free FC Revolution tee shirt. Sign up now and don't have your kid be a reject like so many others.
Thanks Rage parent. Guy sounds fun. Never hear of the club, maybe that’s why he drinks.
This all sounds like a good reality show!I guess the dude's is melting down as he sees his club slowly dissolving...Maybe he should merge with pac? Seems like the place to go in that area....
Pleaaaase post the screenshots!!! Copy and paste, whatever...
First let me thank 11:27. 11:14 was Rage Parent and I should have signed off my post as so. I'm so old school that I'm not sure how to post the screen shot I saved to my phone (I have most of them). Worst part of the story is that a girls HS coach who works for him "liked" the reject comment and now its come to the attention of the school he works for. Actually a very good person and coach and most likely didn't read the post he was "liking'. The real shame is that there are so many good families at that club that don't realize what a narcissist this guy has become (why he would never merge with anyone). Both my kids played at that club up to U12 and when the team managers had to pay the refs out their own pocket, we knew it was time to get out. Rage Parent
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GDA is a joke
12:54PDA isn’t in to national league, top 2 from each bracket get ERL elite status for next year and go to playoffs. Both teams that go to finals get national league bids, unless they are already in some other way then it goes to winner of 3rd place game and so on.
Top 2 teams from Red and Blue got to the National League. PDA already clinched.
7:51 Why is GDA a joke? When it has obviously worked for some so many families that participate in it?
Some of those scores are out of wack? It doesn’t look like there is a competitive balance. Obviously not enough talent across the board to make a competitive league.
True, but that case can be made in every league. Especially now with the saturation of leagues and every club wanting to have a hand in the parents pockets. This is what US Soccer has decided as the best course of action for our youth to grow nationally. It's a based on the pyramid...........scheme.
Judging by some of these posts, parents are worried.How are tryouts going?Find the right fit and go with it.
Tryouts? The crazy thing is if your kid isn't playing USDA why tryout in April or may for the season that starts 6 months later in November? More like the clubs are worried about who is leaving and who is not.April/May Tryouts should be for DA clubs only. Then once the dust has settled the others can hold theirs.
Always has been about money.Tryouts should never be this time of year but they always have been bc every club wants to beat out the next in order to get players...Tryouts should be July.Some GDAs have room for new players, others don't. Some girls are dropping out, some are staying...
7:47 Your right of course. It's about every club trying to secure those $2000 to $3000 dollar bills running around on the soccer field. Worst part is they make decisions and cut players that still have a couple tournaments left to play for them. If US Soccer wants to stop some of the madness of youth soccer, that would be a good place to start. All tryouts except DA to be held ind of May or first week of June.
Michigan Hawks have now pulled out of GDA. House is crumbling.
Very weird. They posted an announcement they were pulling out. And then they removed it. Maybe USSF decided to grow balls?
—— before they deleted it ——After several months of discussion, we have decided that the Michigan Hawks will not play in the US Development Academy League in 2018-2019. We will commit our first and second team into the ECNL for this next season, joining several other top clubs across the country who are doing the same. We believe that the ECNL platform will allow us to address the game day needs of all of our players by placing us against the most competitive regional competition possible. This decision will only affect the Hawks. ——+ 3 more paragraphs of mutiny superiority
3:01 Part of the problem with USSF is all of them seem to have are sets of balls, the could use some female anatomy and maybe just maybe they can get the job done. Once they pay the women equally on the USNT then they can dictate the terms.
Gentlemen, I want you to walk into the room where your wife is and tell her for now on your dictating terms!!! Of course you will first have to ask for her purse so you can have your balls back. Lets stop with the women's equality issue and focus on what's really wrong. As the rest of the world catches up and passes the US in women's soccer, we will find it has nothing to do with equality of pay. But the total mismanagement of resources by US Soccer, lack of decently paid trained coaches at early and critical developmental stages. Way to many leagues with very few good teams and a lot bad play by the lower level teams in each league. Get rid of the saturation of leagues, regionalization of players and tiered relegation of teams so games are competitive. Then and only then would a true pyramid system work. No balls needed, other than on the soccer field.
Sorry about that 8:57, just looked up the qualifiers and looks like they expanded it. It used to be top 4 head back to ERL, and the 2 in the finals go to national league.
I remember the good ol’ days when tryouts were in August and September, at the end of playing intermural for the summer. And then you played your league, and labor, Columbus, and thanksgiving were the big tourney weekends. Usually thanksgiving was the last weekend, unless you had to make up league games still.
5:14 I too remember those days. Unfortunately those were also the days where booting the ball forward and letting your fastest player run onto it was promoted, and the ball played back to the keeper was almost an accident.
Wave of clubs leaving the DA including PDA. ECNL expanding to match what NE Clubs did with NPL, but under ECNL umbrella. Ultimately DA had Lexus cost and delivered a Corolla. ECNL has Camry cost and delivered a Camry.
Where are you seeing this?
these are clubs that aren't getting call up for their kids anymore. but they did; in droves when they ran the show (ie ECNL). That's what they want. To be the boss again. USSF won't let that happen in GDA.
PDA told parents tonight they are leaving DA. They will have two ECNL teams and an NPL team at each age group
The DA will have one more year left and then will fold, with the new director saying it was never his idea in the first place. In talking to four or five college coaches during our visits, they said the problem is that the DA officials treats the coaches like their a nuisance. Adding to the issue is that it's an extra expense and extra time needed to cover another league. The ECNL has the right formula for showcasing its top 6 to 8 players on each team. The supporting cast takes a hit, but there's always a chance to move up on the totem pole.
DA, ECNL, NPL, EDP... doesn't matter. Every club wants to make money. I have 2 kids playing in college now and another to commit soon. Just find a club where she is happy, good coach, good environment and it will all work out. College soccer shouldn't be the goal but the result of proper training and hard work.
12:04 Congrats on your kids success and may it continue into college. Content was more about the structure of girls soccer what would be the best way to serve all players, not just the top six or seven on each team. I'm not sure if many parents whose kids joined the DA teams, actually truly understood the DA's mission statement. The ECNL mission is to give players the best opportunity to be seen by college coaches, the DA's mission statement offers none of that.
I think that the purpose of the DA was to create an even smaller pool of the best players where the quality of play was therefore even better in the concentrated environment. The problem with this is that they leveraged the same clubs and the same coaches as before. Then they distributed the clubs geographically evenly instead of based on true merit. Finally they forgot that these clubs still had to run as businesses and as such had to pull in as many subscribers as they could. So you have a few clubs that, after combining age groups, can offer a concentrated product, but many clubs where they just can't pull in enough of the very top players. I may be wrong, but this attempt at copying the euro-model fails because it is still tied to families paying the fee, the need to be inclusive and grow the business. In reality, to get the best players for the US National team, the pro clubs should foot the bill, and ship in the (fewer/better) kids to live in boarding school environments. The current DA is too much like the ECNL it was trying to replace. If the goal is to create super-players for the National team, then a more radical approach is needed. And for those kids who aren't looking for that path, ECNL (and other leagues) probably is fine for the college path.
Wow!! 8:41, that was a great explanation of exactly what the problem is and how hard the solution is to obtain.
I said this from the beginning:If a club gets awarded gda and the coaches remain the same, what really happened? Each club that gets gda should also get what USSF considers the right coaches to pursue what is supposed to be a better NT pool.I can put a Benz emblem on a Camry, does that make it a Benz?
8:31 I think you have it backwards. What the USSF was trying to do was create a league pyramid. The DA being at the top. They don't want to exclude players they want as many as they can in their player pool.I agree the problem is everyone is for self looking to make a buck instead of doing what's best for the kids. You need the big clubs with different levels of play for true development all on the same page. Take PDA for example1. Top of they Pyramid team in USDA - for it's best players2. Second tier league ECNL to develop and move up or down players3. Third tier teams in leagues like NPL & ERL 4. Fourth tier teams in leagues like EDP.The clubs that can do this should be in the USDA not based on merit. You want clubs to develop players for the next level what ever the next level is Pro or Amateur Leagues or College or tier 1, 2 or 3 youth leagues.We love closed leagues in the states with college drafts and trading players.Why the European model works is because every club the kid played for gets a % of any transfer fee paid for the player as the kid moves on.So when Real Madrid pays a transfer Fee of 8 million euros, the 8 million gets divided by all the teams the kid played for going back to U13 if that was the first club. The % may not be that high but they get something. Every club is rewarded for developing talent. For this system to work you need open leagues with pro and relegation plus other leagues that reward the top teams with money so you have money to spend (not parents paying). In this system teams are always looking to acquire players for a transfer fee so they can move up the pyramid.
Fair response. But why do we need another level to create a taller pyramid? Should we add another level above DA in each club too? How tall is tall enough? Why wasn't ECNL as the top layer enough? Also, the reality is that kids don't move up the pyramid. Kids are ID's at the youngest ages and only very rarely move up (I guarantee you will not find a PF DA player that played in PF NPL at a younger age). I contend that it is about concentration of talent, not development of talent. Why else would they be combining age groups within one club?I do agree with your point about the euro model, though I think the transfer stuff is only a contributing factor and not the foundation of the success.
9:29 Yes - I think we need to add another level for example. 1 state team for ages U16, U17, U18, U19. The 50 states would be split into 6 regions. Each region would have 1 main event.Region 1 - APRRegion 2 - MAYRegion 3 - JUNRegion 4 - JULRegion 5 - AUGRegion 6 - SEPUSDA CUP - NOVThis way every region has their day in the spotlight for it's players.You can't go any higher than USDA - it's the USA Development Academy. The goal is world domination not playing in college.Kid's aren't moved up the pyramid because the selectors don't think they have what it takes. That is another issue and probably the biggest of all. We don't have quality coaches that understand the game so many times the wrong players are selected.Why I think the transfer stuff is the foundation. Think of how many countries around the world play soccer. Most use an open league format (pro/rel). As teams move up and down players transfer from team to team and clubs get paid. A club will not get paid if they don't identify and develop talent. The clubs that do well will make money and can move up the pyramid. The more quality you develop the more money you make. So in your example if PF has an NPL player that can ball you better believe they would be moved up. Nothing will ever change because Girls soccer is nothing more than a cash cow. We the parents will continue to pay and drive hours for little reward. Yes College is nice and it is a reward -but that can also be obtained with just good grades.
I don't think we have yet heard the real reason clubs like PDA and FC Stars are leaving the DA. No high school sports and strict coaching licenses can't be it. There has to be some sort of money/business reason. And, quite frankly, the DA is losing a lot of talent if it can't retain those types of clubs.
I agree 10:31The reasons given for leaving the da are the least offensive and honest.
Great debate between 9:29 and 10:02, and both of you make great talking points. However neither of you offered a solution on how to remove the money issue out of the equation? Or how your going to convince a club official that's run a club like PDA or PF to step aside and let USSF decide what coach to bring in. Unless soccer is regionalized similar to how youth hockey is, none of those plans will work. I do like the idea for all-star state team as long as it's not designated club officials picking the players at some ridiculous tryout. Let the age appropriate club coaches vote for players, and of course, not be allowed to vote for their own. Is there really anyone more qualified to pick players than the coaches who watch the players go against them multiple times? Out of that pool, the let USSF officials choose.
They should revamp or revise the ODP program and make it the way it used to be instead of the money grab it is now. Make it club neutral, limited rosters only featuring the elite kids, make it free of charge and subsidize through the state associations. Send scouts to the regional events. We will find more talent this way than the pay to play system.
Unfortunately I don't thing ODP can be revamped. It would be like trying to tell a banker he can no longer take deposits or charge interest on loans. ODP needs to be scraped altogether and have officials installed that are not affiliated with clubs. There in lies the real problem, the USSF refuses to step in and really be a part of anything. So all of this becomes pay for play and just a business transaction. Someone commented about the level of coaching needed to really make the DA work. Has US Soccer help in that regard with any club?When Christian Pulisic played for Classics DA. Classics and a number of the other DA clubs had some incredible coaches at that time. They lost those coaches because each of them were offered more money elsewhere. If US Soccer truly want a great DA program, paying the best coaches what their worth has to be part of the deal.
10:02 - I don't a solution is possible. Soccer is a Cash Cow.Club A has U9, U10, U11, U12, U13, U14, U15, U16, U17, U18 and U19 11 teams with 18 per roster give us 198 players - lets use 200 and $2,000 as an average so teams will be less and others more = so 200 x $2000 = $400,000 for the girls side and another $400,000 for the boys side. So the club made $800,000 for a season. Keep in mind this is just one team per age group. If they have a tournament they will bring in another $1,200 per team with usually around 776 teams (I used Jeff Cup as an example) so we add another $930,000 the equation. So this club would make 1.7 million dollars for 1 season with just 1 team per age group. Why would they change anything? This is just one club with 1 team per age group. There is a lot of money being made - if developing world class talent was the goal it wouldn't be difficult with all this money being thrown around.Like I said we should have Regional Teams that feed USYNT teams, State teams that feed Regional teams and College placement teams that feed state teams. These should be the only teams allowed to play in college showcase events all other clubs/teams will be classified Recreational with a max $100 per player. The college placement teams will cost a max $2,000.We should have 6 or 8 regional teamsWe should have 50 state teamswe should have 6 USDA clubs per stateWe should have 300 ECNL teamswe should have 300 USYS Teams This gives us 900 teams (USDA, ECNL, USYS) x 18 players = 16,200 players per age group fighting for college spots and YNT spots. plenty of money to go around and forces all the talent to play in one of 3 leagues.The Problem is USYS and USC will never play nice and everybody wants to be the big boy with the loudest voice.
10:02 back again for part 2 - part 1 was my 12:06 post.Once the players get to college - Soccer should switch to Fall and Spring Season to further the development of world class players.Girls Side - NWSL should petition UEFA to be allowed to participate in the UEFA Womens Champions leagueBoys Side - MLS should add MLS2 (60 teams and each should have a NWSL team), they should put more value in the CONCACAF Champions league since that is their ticket to the big show to play the other Champions from UEFA and other parts of the world
I like the idea of only one league with many tiers and a promotion relegation system. If you look at YSR and take a team like 1776, in theory, this team should be closer to the top of the USSF pyramid (of National Team aspirations) based on performance as it is ranked higher than many DA team in the region. If it is 64th nationally, then the league it should play in should maybe be comprised of teams #51-75 nationally (or something like that -- you get my point). if you are out of the top 100, then you play in region leagues and if you are below another threshold, in sub-region leagues (states are too irregular -- the sub-regions should be roughly similar in terms of population).Yeah, I know this isn't perfect but just something to think about. In the end, though, teams should play in leagues, not clubs. That way clubs can't say "we're signing all out age groups for ECNL". they'd have to earn the position on the pyramid.Really, we could have something like this if all the big clubs in the areas quit club leagues and joined USYS as they have a somewhat similar system in place with National League and such.
Sorry I disagree with 1 thing 1:29 - Always Club first. The problem is teams like 1776 they water everything down.
?? i don't follow. your weird feelings about 1776 aside, if you say, for example, all PF age groups are DA level -- instead of just the teams that are truly at the top of their age group by ranking, then the whole quest to find the best players gets watered down. that is the whole point of a single league concept. it truly identifies the best teams and players and breaks the silos created by the club system. who cares about the club? what does one age group have to do with the other?
Maybe DA should be 1 High School age team with a few reserve teams.Who cares about the Club? You are not a soccer guy obviously or maybe I should say you don't have roots from another country where soccer is huge. I am a euro and soccer is all about the club - the club even has a basketball team, volleyball team, team handball team, water polo team, american football team, womens teams. It's all about the club!FC = Futbol ClubSC = Soccer ClubEach club has a 1st team that gets all the love. The others are reserve teams.PS. I just used 1776 because they were referenced in previous post.
Well, this discussion isn't about replicating the club culture of Europe. That would be nice to do, but there are too many obstacles in the way. And at any rate, if you read what I am talking about, it is a soccer league that is based on individual team performance and not club affiliation. Clubs are still fine -- feel free to start a Penn Fusion basketball team -- they just shouldn't be the reason a team or player is regarded as being in the highest echelon of the USSF pyramid.
of course not 3:27. But when you have an individual team league the focus becomes winning at any cost to maintain placement. This is why the club format rules even though they are closed leagues. Not talking about replicating the European culture - but when you add that along with open pro/rel leagues + transfer fees you have why we can never replicate what the rest of the world has.My solution is simple.USDA Clubs should have ONE 1st team (HS age players only).USDA Reserve teams should play in the ECNL.The ECNL should have 6 clubs per state with ONE Pre-USDA flight. This pre flight should have pro/rel with the USDA league. Note any clubs with a USDA team can not participate in the ECNL pre flight. If a state can't field 6 quality clubs then an open application process is used to fill the void.I hate closed leagues but when it comes to youth soccer they are needed. We need standards. Clubs must field U12, U13, U14, U15, U16, U17, U18 and HS flights. If a club can't field a team in each flight then is should be classified as a rec club and charge rec fees. This will create a destination an "upper echelon" if you prefer for players.
Until you take the DA away from clubs, soccer in the US will continue to fail. (Don’t even get me started on what they are looking for in players, and why other countries are catching up to us quickly)It’s really quite simple, DA locations should be strategically placed that any player can get to one within 1.5 hours. They should not be club affiliated, and the whole DA program should be paid for through club fees (every player that plays travel soccer, has a development fee that is part of their registration fee). Logistics of where to place locations, and potential “adoptive” families in the program for players that are to far etc. Players play for their local clubs, if a coach notices a player, someone from the DA comes and gets a look at them, and if they deem that player good enough, then they go play for the local DA. They can also hold ID clinics as well. It is something that needs to be instilled into every club and talked about to families from a club level that is overseen by the DA. Other clubs can also have the opportunity to notice players and tell the DA. This will keep clubs from trying to hold onto players that deserve to play at a higher level. Good clubs will still remain at that higher level of play, because they will be known for developing DA talent, and will still be noticed by colleges at all the big tournies we have now. Local DA’s will be the teams for the players, regional and national teams are call ups. From the local DA’s, regional DA’s will be formed, which will also have ID’s that the national coaches and recruits will attend to find players that are slipping through the cracks etc. And then national teams will be formed from there. UNTIL YOU TAKE THE CLUB OUT OF THE DA, IT WILL NOT WORKstat guy
I agree with Stat Guy. Until the DA is its own entity without club affiliations, there will always be some form of prejudice involve. It may not even be malicious or meant to be self serving towards the club, but familiarity can breed the acceptance of complacency towards a player, or contempt for the same. Both of which should have no place in a National Team selection process. I don't fault the current players or parents for decisions to be part of the DA, I do fault US Soccer for not thinking this through before offering the product. RP
ME: Do you think USYS can water down regional leagues any farther?USYS: Hold my beer, watch this!
Okay. Saw the ECNL report...all in these teams. Hahaha. Hawks, PDA, Stars' Directors are on the Board of ECNL, still. How do you thumb your nose to the League you are promoting? It was a matter of time before US Soccer said, choose.
Did anyone read Jason Dewhurst (FC Stars Director) comments regarding why the FC Stars left the DA? Said a lot of it had to do with the substitution rule, especially for the 14/15 age group. Thought that one game a week was not giving the players enough actual game time play. I donn't know how to transfer the link, but it's on the Soccer America Website. 8:36 You bring up a good point about them being the on the board of director for ECNL, but US Soccer knew this going in. It just sounds like neither party wanted to give ground here and one was waiting for the other to blink. While US Soccer was waiting, PDA and FC Stars took their ball and went home. Obviously the clubs want the restrictions lifted regarding substitutions, games played and showcases to attend, and US Soccer wasn't budging.Rage Parent.
now Copa has a shot for GDA............LOL
Doesn’t appear PF is leaving. FCV is definitely not leaving DA.
I’m wondering if any PDA Da players will now head to PF for Da .
I’m wondering how many PDA Da players will now run to PF for Da .
9:42 - I hear ya, but it is about $$$. USSF did know about their ECNL relationship; probably why they left the side of ECNL and formed GDA. I'll put a pin in that for another day.These clubs make a ton of money through ECNL; tournaments, PDP events hosted by them, and more. And, ECNL is a team every age group; not a team of multiple age groups. I noticed at the PDA tourney last year, the PDA tent was selling it's own tournament shirts undercutting and directly competing against the Nike tent. But, hey, it's their tourney, right? ECNL and USSF had a fight. And the DOC's of these clubs were in the middle of it. They are no longer the place to go. Other places to go have emerged. What a sh#t storm this has become.
Why do I have a hard time believing that the substitution rule would make a club leave DA?Is it perhaps that parents will pull their kids from the club bc their little mia isn't getting the playtime they want her to? loss of $$ for club?I agree with some here that DA needs to be on its own, not affiliated with clubs!! But soccer world is so small...my daughter and I barely pull into the parking lot of another club on tryout day and her existing coach already knows...my phone rings and social media takes over....
What a great article. It could actually be the first thing I have ever seen on this board that is productive:) I must say I think the DA has it all wrong for many of the same reasons coach Dewhurst mentions. I expect others to follow suit. 90% of all parents playing DA don't like the current program at least that is based on my discussions. DA will need to change or expect more teams to drop out of DA. I have yet to find one college coach in support of the DA program in its current form.
Birth year change was USSF preparing for the girls DA program so the whole cluster f..k is tied to them.Dewhurst said one thing that is very important...in their area, they're faced with the private school dilemna. So this definitely affects some areas but not others.In our area this is minimal but the pull to play HS soccer is strong.Our DA team will lose almost all 01 existing juniors. Many of which either realize the showcases for 00/01 will be almost non-existent next year or plainly just want to play their senior year at school.
As 7:42 mentioned, the DA will need to make changes in order to have a long term relevancy in women's soccer. That being said, I hope it stays solvent much like the boys side. Whose to fault a top line teenage player from chasing a dream that their willing to put the work in for? The big question will be, is US Soccer going to be willing to make the changes needed?RP
Take the club out of DA? Then you don't have a Development Academy. Love what USYS did with it's rebrand of the ERL. It got rid of the ERL and now is letting EDP manage 4 National League Conferences (these replaced the regional league). I'm guessing there will be a playoff or the conference champions will advance to the National League. The Girls ECNL appears to not be following the Boys ECNL of NPL inclusion. Wonder what all those NPL clubs do now that are in NYCSL NPL, NEP NPL and Virginia NPL? What does this do to the CCL? EDP just became a big player. Good for them.
How can you restrict play time if you are about development. Doesnt make any sense. The article from the FC Stars coach is bang on.
The only ones making sacrifices are the kids. There should be at least a 2 year commitment from the DA. And there should be individual age groups.
And girls who accept roster spot should be committed to the program.Sometimes they take spots from girls that have much more work ethic...
ECNL is preparing for other clubs to follow PDA, Stars, and Hawks. Rumor is there will be more announcement in the coming weeks. US Soccer's new leadership is starting to blame old leadership for the bad decisions and looking to change course. If I had to guess you will see DA end on the girls side by end of next year. You will also see them go back to school calendar aging.
It will be interesting to see if clubs start to accelerate their plans move back to ENCL to insure they are not left out of the league. I would imagine they have a cap on the number of teams they would take.
9:30 and 10:09 Your heart is the right place, but at the DA level, work ethic doesn't always take precedent over speed and raw talent. How can you ask a 14 or 15 year old player for a two year commit, when whole clubs won't? The DA has never gone to individual years on the boys side, so I don't see it ever happening on the girls.
8:40 Because it's a development academy for NT level players - They are trying to build world class players. The kids that have the goods are going to play. Some will have their eyes opened and their dreams squashed and there is nothing wrong with that. We are talking they are trying to develop the top 1%. Reality check for some. Don't take that the wrong way it's just life then we move on. It's up to the clubs to develop talent then put their best on the Academy teams.9:30 I disagree - we have so many players you can't lock up spots for 2 years that's crazy talk - you give players a look some have it and some don't.11:02 you might be right.
There is no development at the academy in its current form. It is just another league with more restrictions. The same coaches coached in other leagues are now for the most part coachIng a majority of the same players they coached before. This is true at PDA and WC/NYCFC. Some new kids sprinkled in but the majority the same. To do it right it must be independent of any clubs and run from the top down where you are an employee of the DA not of your club. Their should be zero club affiliation.
I couldn't disagree with you more. A true Academy league - is placing your strongest clubs in it (usually Pro clubs). Those clubs have a track record of development or at least a destination spot for kids with talent to go for it.I don't see a problem with PDA and NYCFC/WC being coached by the same coaches or if it's the same kids. It's not their problem if kids hate the brand and don't want to try out. Their role in the DA is to take the best of the best from their club and put them out in a league to go against the best of the best from that club in front of scouts. They are trying to develop international level players playing with international sub rules. You can only get this if you play against the best. The USDA just needs to say you want to play YNT you need to play USDA regardless of the club brand.
You could not be more wrong. What was/is ECNL? Let’s start the Super Development Academy to create another level. Same coaches and players just another name/brand. Kids need to be on the field.
If you're going to be an advocate for DA, let's call it what it is...USSDA not USDA2 "S" unless you're talking agriculture of course.
12:25 How can you not see a problem with having the same coaches? First off, it's not even about players not coming out. It's about coaches going with the players that they are familiar with, and they can't be blamed for that. Second, if your goal is to find and develop the top 1%, shouldn't you have coaches that have the ability to do just that? What we have now is the equivalent of putting low grade gasoline in a race car, and expecting it to come in first. If the DA wants to do this right, and we know US Soccer has the money, hire some of the best coaches to do it. What US Soccer is trying to do is to keep enough distance so if it fails, they can say, "well we did our part".
The competition in the the NE ECNL is much better than the DA currently and will be even more competitive next year in all age groups. The DA is very week in the NE. Poor results at showcases confirm that.
And this is the problem with Youth Soccer in the US. The big boy the USSF creates a league for the best players to play in and instead of this happening bloggers support an alternate league(s). I call it the United States Development Academy (USDA) because that's what it is. The USSF gave the keys to the corvette to the clubs and asked the clubs to develop talent and put their best players in DA teams to play other club best players in the hopes that we the USA can develop international players. Somehow they are to blame for players not showing up. So 5:29 you are saying PDA ECNL is better than Sky Blue PDA? or are you saying that WC ECNL is better than NYCFC? or maybe you are saying PennFusion stinks? Fury is the best team on Long Island. I would like to see CS play CFC Delco or Oakwood play FSA or CT FC or PAC vs Bucks. I think FC Virginia can take MF to town I even think the Washington Spirit teams are better than Bethesda, wait I forgot about the Breakers they stink also. Maybe the NE ECNL can use McClean since that is about the only ECNL team that is super strong.
The best 02 player at WC/NYCFC plays in ECNL. And yes in certain age groups their ECNL teams is better than the DA in their own club or is better than other DA teams in that conference. PDA ECNL team would be better than many DA teams. Same with East Meadow
8:36What USYS did to the ERL is awful. By doing what they did, it will water down the league even more. As it is in the elite brackets, there are teams that don’t belong there. Out of 16 teams, through the whole region, 5-6 of them weren’t really competitive. So they now will be taking teams (which the EPA/NJ bracket will be decently strong), and their will be a couple stronger teams, and teams from the premier flights, and it makes a less competitive league, plus the chance of league areas created with no strong teams in them that get into the national league because they don’t have much competition.
Here it comesECNL tiersHow will a club that has been in ECNL for years and years feel about being asked to play in the second tier?Top tier will obviously be these clubs that have just dropped down from DA. Who else gets included?
This is a 01 Board - not talking about other age groups
United States Soccer Development Academy= USSDAFriday morning wrap up for those of you who are slow..or stubborn..
Another article...interesting comments follow. Maybe same posters on here?https://www.soccerwire.com/news/clubs/youth-girls/more-large-youth-clubs-leave-girls-da-for-all-in-ecnl-status/
6:52 The DA is 01/02, so it is not just one age group when talking about the DA. Which if you haven't noticed, is the talk of the town.
2 game weekend on tap.Let's keep the run going girls!
All EDP Division 1/NPL teams plus ERL teams. I am still Curious to see what impact this has on NYCSL, CCL and NEP teams if any move over to the below new conferences. This can be a game changer. The current team line up makes New England and North Atlantic very weak. US Youth Soccer National League New England EDP ConferenceUS Youth Soccer National League North Atlantic EDP ConferenceUS Youth Soccer National League Mid Atlantic EDP ConferenceUS Youth Soccer National League South Atlantic EDP ConferenceCT - NY Top 1036.82 BC UNITED SA 2001 PREMIER 35.08 SUSA ELITE G01 34.73 CAPITAL UNITED SC BLUE FORCE 34.63 NEW YORK SURF SOCCER CLUB G01 Academy 34.62 NIRVANA FORCE 34.38 NEW YORK SURF SOCCER CLUB G01 Long Island 34.09 RHINOS ELITE SC ROCHESTER JUNIOR RHINOS 2001 GIRLS33.80 LAGRANGE RAGE 33.75 SOUTH CENTRAL PREMIER SPIRIT33.73 ALLEYCATS 2001G NPL-------------------------------------------------------33.57 CLARKSTOWN 2001 WHITE 33.56 EMPIRE UNITED ROCHESTER G17 2001 33.40 SUSA ELITE WHITE 01 32.10 BEACHSIDE SC CT BEACHSIDE NJ Top 1036.45 SJEB RUSH 01 GIRLS ACADEMY36.37 WATCHUNG HILLS NJ ELITE 2001G FLAMES35.82 NJ WILDCATS FURY-NPL 35.41 PDA SHORE FUSION 35.35 NJ STALLIONS ACADEMY 01 FREEDOM NPL35.27 SJEB RUSH 01 GIRLS PREMIER WHITE35.13 PRINCETON SA WILDCATS PREMIER ELITE 0134.92 PDA SOUTH SPURS '01 34.87 SJEB RUSH 01 GIRLS NPL 34.84 FC COPA ACADEMY G01 BLACK ------------------------------------------------------- 34.55 FC BERNA LEGACY 01G BLACK 33.90 CEDAR STARS ACADEMY - MONMOUTH 2001G GREEN 33.51 THISTLE COMETS 32.28 PRINCETON SA PREMIER ELITE 01 NORTH 31.93 JERSEY UNITED SOCCER SPARTANS 2001G NPL 31.78 TSF ACADEMY 2001G 30.37 NEW JERSEY RUSH 01 GIRLS NPL PA-E Top 1036.44 1776 UNITED FC XTREME 36.34 READING RAGE '01 MORGAN 35.41 PENN FUSION SA PREACADEMY 200135.39 LEHIGH VALLEY UNITED LVU 2001 GIRLS BLACK 34.93 HARLEYSVILLE READY 2001 34.32 PENN UNITED FORCE '0134.31 HMMS EAGLE FC 01 UNITED34.24 PENN LEGACY 01 BLACK F 33.75 PHILADELPHIA SC COPPA BLUE STORM33.29 YMS PREMIER 01 BANSHEES------------------------------------------------------- 31.91 FC EUROPA '01 ELITEDE - MD - VA Top 1036.78 PREMIER SC NAVY (STRIKERS) 36.03 FC FREDERICK '01 35.70 HARFORD FC UNITED THUNDER 01/02 35.17 ARLINGTON 2001 GIRLS RED 35.04 MARYLAND UNITED FC ELITE 01G 34.90 BETHESDA SC STORM 0134.79 SAC PREMIER BLUE 34.60 PREMIER SC PRIDE 0134.26 GREAT FALLS SC RENEGADES RED 34.10 SEVERNA PARK BLACK THUNDER '01------------------------------------------------------- 33.94 FREEDOM UNITED33.91 DELAWARE FOOTBALL DEFC 01 GIRLS 33.70 OBGC FREEDOM BLUE33.67 MD RUSH MONTGOMERY RUSH '01G33.66 BALTIMORE CELTIC SC ELITE 01 GIRLS 32.52 CALVERT CSA UNITED 01G31.05 MARYLAND RUSH RUSH 01G NPL
So say you cut the competitive score at 35.0, that basically only leaves pa-e/nj with a competitive bracketThank you for that info mr. List
Yes, I think USYS needs the NPL clubs from NYCSL and NEP to come back plus they need to work out a deal with the CCL to get all those teams.USSDA (okay you win still like my way better USDA) - still the top of the pyramid. It's the Federation League you can't have anything higher.ECNL Girls doesn't look like it's going to adopt the Boys ECNL model where the NPLs are a big part. So the question becomes what is better for SUSA, SouthShore Select, MSC and some others. Is the NPL still a better option or is the National League an option? I can also see the USSDA telling it's member clubs they must do USYS instead of ECNL because of the little fight for power.EDP & ERL - very much a work in progress if they try to stay regional. I think they have 16 solid teams currently and then the bottom falls out.other leaguesNYCSL NPLNYCSL PremierNEP NPLNEP PremierCCLLIJSLPAGS - already part of EDPWAGSJAGS - already part of EDPNorthEast NPL and NE ECNL clubs would take a huge hit if the NPL clubs start to rethink their approach in regards to player pools and cash as more players would no longer accept playing on reserve teams.I can see the USSF drawing a line in the sand and making clubs choose, with the ECNL battle - USYS looks to be the big winner possibly.Don't get me wrong the ECNL has an enormous amount of talent. Curious to see what happens with the current PDA ECNL team since there are 10+ 2001s on the DA team
I just remembered a new wrinkle - many clubs are going 2001/2000 teams instead of just 2001s and 2000s. The mess we have.Why couldn't they just leave it the way it was. Instead of Birth year just form the team based on graduation year.Hey USSDA - I got one for you - go back to Graduation year instead of birth year for everyone and have your DA clubs field 1 HS age team so you can see Freshman playing against Juniors and Seniors?
US Youth Soccer announces new league structure. http://bit.ly/2EXJUPZ Talks about reforming the leagues at the end of this season, but not sure what difference it'll really make.
Wow 11:21 thanks for the new info :)
HOT off the rumor mill!!!Look for more clubs leaving the DA within the next couple weeks!
Guess we'll see what happens at tryouts
11:44, sometimes you need to see it to believe it!
http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/news/division-i-council-adopts-recruiting-legislationThat’ll throw a wrench in the plans for many sophomores who are in the midst of this whole process. Definitely a good thing for those 7th through 9th graders committing way too early.
5:47It looks like it will go into effect at the beginning of the next school year. All sophomores that are in the middle of it right now, it’ll be business as usual as far as visits and being talked to etc. The freshmen that are being recruited right now will have an issue that I’m going to assume they will have to go silent on them for a full year I guess, or play the usual whisper down the lane
Unless a sophomore would commit to a school they have already had an unofficial with it will affect them. At least until Sept. 1st which is the next time they can do so now. It affects coaches recruiting at ID camps as well.
6:01 April 25 2018 is the effective date of the new rule
The same recruiting rule was adopted in lacrosse last year with very positive results for the players.
The NCAA announced this week the adoption of new rules legislation overseeing the athletic recruiting process for Division I sports. The Division I Council voted to adopt the rules on Tuesday and Wednesday during meetings in Indiannapolis. For soccer, the immediate impact (effective April 25, 2018) is that athletic departments can’t participate in a recruit’s unofficial visit until Sept. 1 of the recruit’s junior year in high school. Additionally, recruiting conversations during a school’s camp or clinic can’t happen before Sept. 1 of a prospective recruit's junior year.Starting later this fall (effective August 1, 2018), official visits can now begin Sept. 1 of a prospect’s junior year in high school instead of the first day of classes for senior year, which was the rule previously.The move comes as several sports, including women's soccer, grapple with the earlier trends of offering players scholarships before even reaching high school. - TDS article
Big Congrats to PF 02 (sophomore) that picked up a full ride to Loyola yesterday. It's always awesome to see hard work and dedication pay off (both player and parents). Now that the college spring season is over, I think we'll see more committs happening in the next few weeks. Rage Parent
Full ride? Extremely unusual.
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