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Monday, August 14, 2017

U18 Girls Youth Soccer

This page is focused on Under 18 girls youth soccer, primarily in Region 1 but everyone is invited to share and post.

Teams face increased competition for the top players, (who are increasingly attending college showcases).

More teams consolidate and the best teams--academy soccer, club soccer and high school teams--battle to attract and retain the right player mix.

Stay tuned. This is bound to be good.

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Anonymous said...

having weak players on a kids team only affects the stronger kid's college quest by lessening the draw to coaches to a less successful team. If they are there watching they are watching your kid if she invited them and are not so stupid as to miss her quality because of those around her. First touch moves to evade pressure moves to beat a defender, passing vision and technique, tacvkle timing and positioning are alll independent of other players. If she is working hard as a 10 to cover for a weak 8 and ending up deep in the midfield often to win 50-50 and start an attack, her work rate and team centeredness will be noted. The only time this can be a problem is when a striker is on an island with no service. before we moved my kid into the big leagues, she was on a team like that. I just told her pressure the crap out of the defenders and come back into the midfield to play defense. She then won the ball and looked like a superstar when she went on longer dribbling runs. All good. Don't blame the other kids or coaches for your choices and abilities. yes the comments on not the "right lineup" put forward by the coaches in the all knowing estimation of the brilliant parents makes me howl.

Anonymous said...

902 some good points, but your opening line is something parents buy into that fans the flames of this very argument. parents want to talk about the great commitments their kids have made , but then buy into a myth that College coaches cannot evaluate a player unless they are playing on a loaded team that

- accentuates their plus points
- draws in loads of high level coaches
- wins

I just dont buy it. Coaches can evaluate players in circumstances that to parents may be less than ideal. Coaches want to see

- How a kid deals with adversity.
- interacts with teammates
- work rate
- will to win

and many other things that winning on a team that is clearly better than the opposition does not always highlight.

There are positives to be gained from playing on strong teams and weak ones. Its the players that get this and make the most of it that succeed.

Parents that make excuses about line ups and tactics risk giving their children the example that its ok to do so.

Anonymous said...

No the facts are the top college coaches don't go to local tournaments or pull teams of the 12th bracket sorry. Mid majors yes. Top no. I think that's where the confusion lies. By top I mean schools consistently in and possibly on occasion out of the top 25 coaches poll.

Anonymous said...

930 I dont get your point. What are you referring to ?

Anonymous said...

4/3 @ 6:42 pm - saw your post. So you think that team play is basically a dying art? That kids only play for themselves so why bother?
Call me old fashioned, then. I still believe kids can play as a team.

Anonymous said...

4/3 @ 6:42 pm - saw your post. So are you saying that you think that team play is basically a dying art? And, that kids only play for themselves anymore?

Anonymous said...

4/3 @ 6:42 pm - saw your post. So are you saying that you think that team play is basically a dying art? And, that kids only play for themselves?

Anonymous said...

Sorry for multiple posts; keys sticking; coffee spill this morning.

Anonymous said...

208 Im saying that it is not the aim at this age anymore. the aim is to "be seen". Very few parents are encouraging their kids to be quietly effective. Go to tryouts and watch the meaningless Maradonnas and selfish play. Look at the low percentage shots as other kids are wide open for better chances.

Im not trying to open a can of worms here, but look at PDA u-16 last year. I believe they won a title without any real outstanding individual players becasue the coach insisted they play as a team. They also had enough bench strength to sit kids down who did not buy in. Thats rare.

Im not saying that its a lost art in College or at younger ages, but in the recruiting years, its clear that team play suffers.

PS please lets not turn it into a referendum on how good individual players are. Im simply illustrating a general point. PDA have some very good players.

Anonymous said...

250 - I agree. But I also saw you note that if the players didn't buy in, the coach pulled them. That is what is being discussed as well. Coaches not pulling kids that aren't dialed in. So, the college coach was coaching his team like a college team. Hmmm. Like it.
And, also agree. PDA has some very good players in all their age groups.

Anonymous said...

304 you are missing part of it. They can pull players becasue they have a deep roster. Many clubs cannot afford to lose a player, no matter ho much commitment they seem to lack. Also, the coach in question is not a college coach and he put more into coaching a team at this level than I have ever seen. Some may say too much. he is not coaching this year.

Anonymous said...

I think i saw their top personnel at several practices and games. I don't think the other guy was coaching alone. He was getting some good tips.

Anonymous said...

3:09 - so why not pull? You are talking about switching out apples for apples. And I agree, most teams not as lucky to have. But, what is the harm to replace with another kid who just might make the most of their moment to send the message? I'm not saying take off the kid who is messing up as she needs encouragement and opportunity to right the ship, but the kid who isn't playing.
It's really no loss is it if you pull a checked out kid? Unless you have more checked out kids than replacements. Then, you have a more serious problem and just need to buckle in for a very long, frustrating season.

Anonymous said...

4:52 - what about also pulling the kid that keeps messing up after given ample opportunities to fix. Sometimes sitting next to the coach and getting some tips while watching someone else execute is exactly what the kid needs too. These are definitely teachable moments.

Anonymous said...

because most parents are playing for PT as well as practice. Pulling kids has consequences on most teams because, believe it or not, most teams are not coached to win. They are coached and managed to make money. If you are PDA or Stars or an big destination Club , you can lose families and replace easily. Not so at many Clubs. So you put up with it and move on unless its chronic.

If teams were really coached to win games, there would be a lot of unhappy parents

Anonymous said...

All these posts are the reason why there's only one or 2 coaches!! Can you imagine all the parents on the team having a say in the play...oh my word!!!

Anonymous said...

Problem is some do. It should be coaches only. That is my complaint. I pay for coaches to coach, not parents.

Anonymous said...

758 i hear you, but a lot of parents dont seem to understand that running a viable Club involves making "business decisions". These extend to the playing field. Its a myth that when the whistle blows, every coach maximizes the use of his personnel to win. That would leave a core of a few kids happy and a whole host of unhappy customers.

Not good for business

I look at these years as a chance for my kid to get better., learn some life lessons about teams, teamwork and coaching. Work on her game and move to the next level. I dont get caught up anymore in what other kids do in practice or in games and I am not invested in the result. I tell her to be supportive, try her best and to focus on making the right plays.

We will see how it all turns out.

Anonymous said...

So in order to support your daughter you have to pull away from the rest of it. Kind of sad don't you think. Maybe that explains the lack of support re the professional levels. Not apathy; burn out.
Good luck to you and your daughter.

Anonymous said...

825 Sad? not really. depends what you call "the rest of it"

Anonymous said...

8:25 - if you have pulled away basically, which is what I am getting from your post; how do you enjoy the game? How do you get excited for her about her choice of sport? How do you enjoy her friends/teammates and their successes or feel for them when they miss? Or, maybe you don't or can't.

Anonymous said...

I am reading that the business part of the sport has gutted you.

Anonymous said...

After 20 years of youth soccer and two kids through all but the final year before college I can see how pulling away is an option. 20 years ago I was a soccer graduate, played youth HS and College in an era before it was monetized like it is today. Most of my coaches were college kids who were gving back to the community and to a sport they loved, the only pay was watching kids pla, hopefully get better, and winning. Fast forward to the rise of the US women's team as well as the saturation of sports programming on TV and you have where we are today. British accents cashing in on teaching the US the great game of futbol. Parents investing in their childs future, and Clubs and Leagues providing jobs. A lot of this is good stuff but there is the competition between winning on the field and winning in the club house. Youth soccer is more of a product than a sport for many. For some it is a tool, and for some a profession. THere are those who have been rewarded with loyalty when skill does not match up, others who are looking for the best fit for their daughter because that is the focus, and others who think they will one day wear the crest at the highest level or compete for the NCAA Championship. Of the +Millions of female soccer players a very small percentage will realize the last 2 goals, but those that sell soccer as a product are counting on the Million+ thinking they have a chance. It is hard to look at the big picture and know where you will need to set your sites, but the sooner you realize the battle you need to fight the better you can plan. Let your daughters guide the path at this age, let them enjoy the opportunities to play, make friends, and stay healthy. There is no answer only speculation, determination, luck, and knowing the right people.

Anonymous said...

925 Spot on. Part of the reason I have a hard time with my PoV on this forum here is because there is a vast difference between a kid who is/can wear the crest and a kid battling for minutes on a team.
I can only speak form my kids perspective and try to appreciate it from other peoples.

Your post is a very accurate assessment on the different layers in the game and the varying agendas.

842/846 Far from it. I enjoy watching her deal with the challenges she faces. I enjoy the games. I enjoy her teammates. Im not the one complaining about other kids and effort. It seems that the other folks are the ones not enjoying it. I accept it for what it is.

My kid plays with players from all over. Older, younger. trains with boys and men. Its all good. Im just trying to explain how I deal with it. I dont focus on the result of a game. I focus on her process of getting better becasue that is what she says she wants.

Anonymous said...

Sounds like you guys need a break. Try golf.

I have to comment, though, about the lack of parents insisting on accountability.

It astounds me that people think it's okay for kids to not give effort, including their own. I hope I never become that checked out as a parent. No need to strive for good grades; c's when you are capable of a's; all good. No need to strive to get work in on time; it's all good. No need to show up for work today; someone else will cover. No need to make sure your friend is safe walking home; that's her issue. Hey don't worry about paying your bills; you can live with me.

No, this is more than just soccer we are teaching and watching play out. This is life and from what I am seeing and reading, we are in deep sh+t. No one cares about the big picture.

Anonymous said...

1250 Who said that? im not OK with it. I just accept that aside from my kid setting and example, its down to each family to follow their own path. Big difference. This is a referendum on parenting. Ask yourself why parents pay thousands of dollars a year for kids to get 15 mins per game in a sport they clearly do not excel in or enjoy? Are they doing it for the kids or themselves? If its painfully obvious to others that a kid has checked out, is it not obvious to the parent?

There are far too many marginal players playing so called Elite soccer in the USA.

I dont blame the kids, I blame the adults.

Anonymous said...

Hear hear. I blame the adults too.
However, I am saddened that the kids get a pass on accountability. Maybe their effort would change. Kids are molded. They have a chance. Otherwise, they will become the same adults that make excuses, are okay with marginal this and that. And, the circle of marginal lives will continue.

Anonymous said...

remember women's soccer is a middle class and up game. Money BUYS a lot of things in the US. Including passes on MANY things for many who have it. Trsut me, if this was a viable career path for women, the make up of teams would be totally different as would the cost. Its a bubble. I wont get any deeper than that. If there wa no Tite IX the numbers actually playing would be minimal.

Anonymous said...

http://www.ussoccer.com/stories/2017/04/05/14/00/20170405-news-wnt-us-soccer-and-womens-national-team-players-association-joint-statement-on-cba

Finally, an agreement. Details anyone?

Anonymous said...

I am surprised at the amount of banter about a subject over which one has absolutely no control: the perceived effort put forward by other people's children. I teach my children to focus on what they can control: their preparation for the game in the food they eat and the sleep they get, their mentality on the field, and their own effort. If they control those things they succeed. I specifically tell them that part of the winning mentality is to ignore that which they cannot control: what position or play time the coach gives them, the refs calls, and yes the other player's failures. Might do your own mental status good to take that advice too.

Judgement on other players is distasteful to me. If your child is unhappy because she can't focus on her own success and finds other players too distracting for her to enjoy and succeed in the game. Find another team or learn to focus differently.

Anonymous said...

well, judgment on other children is distasteful to you. Wow. Isn't that what your diatribe entailed? Perfect. Another empty barrel just making noise. Love that saying. Thank you poster for it.

Anonymous said...

Let's get back to the agreement reached. Anyone have any details? Super secret.

Anonymous said...

127 The agreement seems to be more of the same with better spin. The US WNT is a club and its members seem to be the only female soccer players the US care about. the pay disparity between NT and NWSL has increased even more. Playing for your country is big business in WoSo

Anonymous said...

9:59

Are you teaching your daughter anything at all about leadership?

Don't we want our top players also affecting teammates' play?

Yes - teammate effort (perceived? ok - your word) is an important aspect of your daughter's GROUP'S overall success.

Anonymous said...

8:20

Stay tuned for more griping about the WNT personnel decisions. Money goes up - it becomes more important to the ladies to be (what they feel is) rightfully included.

Anonymous said...

"griping news"
pardon the pun right :)

Anonymous said...

829 US WNT is a club of entitled veterans and kids. Very little in between. NWSL only exists to pacify FIFA.

Anonymous said...

That sucks if the pay scales didn't get better for ALL of the professional women soccer players in the US. Equal pay is for all players not just for some. Don't the veterans get this as well? Disappointing. Those that have a voice have a duty to use it to affect all. That's part of the leadership we are discussing on the board.

Anonymous said...

That's an ass backward way of thinking.

There is no other professional sport that immediately comes to mind except for sailing that the US guys or gals get a significantly higher pay than the other professional players in that particular sport. And, even there, the scales are pretty close, my understanding.

Other teams have US teams (and women) as well, baseball/softball, basketball, hockey, ice hockey, tennis, swimming/diving, crew, track & field, volleyball, beach volleyball, darts, and so on.

What is the USWNT's motivation then to play NWSL, if at all? I thought they wanted to boost NWSL?

Anonymous said...

8:29 - are you saying more hiring from within, including past players? The smartest person re player personnel and team success in baseball has been Theo Epstein who never played past high school. His genius guided the Red Sox and Cubs to World Series' wins. It took each club over 100 yrs to reach those pinnacles.

Sometimes going outside the comfort zone and getting new ideas is exactly what a sport/team needs.

Anonymous said...

142 unless it suits them, they dont play. And the form they show in the NWSL has zero impact on selection. The USWNT have found a way to get well paid . To monetize your nationalism. The same players draws bupkus in the NWSL. No one cares.

Gulati bought their silence/loyalty because he needs them for the WC and better to throw $$ at it than actually change the system . Changing the system would require the NWSL owners actually paying players That would require people to actually care about the games. Very few do.

US soccer is a bubble. It has been since Title IX . Ability and performance does not correlate well with pay. The US has some of the highest paid players in the women's game and yet, if we were honest they do not have a single player who would be an automatic start in and World X1

Anonymous said...

https://www.fifpro.org/en/?option=com_content&view=article&catid=27&id=6768

In case people don't know which list you are referencing.

Anonymous said...

https://www.fifpro.org/news/women-s-football-finest-the-world-xi/en/

Sorry prior one was the entire list. This is the final selection. I like Krieger and Lloyd and hopefully A Morgan gets her timing down playing overseas. Also, maybe Hope comes back. She would be a starter, still. And, whether US soccer wants to admit it or not, she sells tickets, even in NWSL.

Anonymous said...

Re solo, she relocated to NC according to her last interview. Think she makes a run at NC Courage during the season after she has been cleared to play? sabrina d (current NC courage/flash top gk) is on ca nat'l team so solo would not have the conflicts of other team responsibilities. would be great for tv, too.

Anonymous said...

1:51 - if you know, what are the pays in the international teams/academies like? Do they pay their NWSL player equals fairly or at least livable wage scales? Maybe international soccer is a little more equitable with players and pays.

Anonymous said...

FIFPRO is a popularity contest. Im not referring to that at all. Does anyone actually think Carli Lloyd is the best player in the world ?

No Fishlock? No Kim Little? French players? No Lucy Bronze?

Anonymous said...

So what are you referencing? This wasn't an agreement as to the final selection. I was putting it out there thinking that is what you were referencing. Btw - french are listed - LeSommer and Renard. Sure, not all inclusive. I like Henry & Abily, Kerr, Houghton and Sauerbraunn, too. And agree. Kim Little is amazing.

Anonymous said...

Yes, and Fishlock and Popp.

Anonymous said...

What is the purpose of stripping Real CO from S Smith and J Howell, again during an ECNL event? Is this another message that ECNL doesn't matter from US Soccer?

Anonymous said...

"The form they show in NWSL has zero impact on selection"

Untrue.

Anonymous said...

Popp over Lloyd

Heh

Funny one

Anonymous said...

Popp's a forward - shouldnt compare her to Lloyd.

The players are voting, right? What system do you like better than that? Soccer writers?

Too much bias with that

Anonymous said...

Who was picking Popp over Lloyd? I was throwing her in the mix as one of the top in the game. I am still rooting for Lloyd.

Anonymous said...

Nice boost for NWSL if Marta comes over. Would love to see her tuff it up in NWSL.

Anonymous said...

So, decreasing the amount of subsidized players in NWSL decreased from 24 to 22 with further decreasing numbers in the future. Does federation think time is coming for NWSL owners to step up and take over these salaries all together? Hmmm.

Anonymous said...

4:34 - maybe. Why wouldn't the game take place somewhere around Phoenix with the ECNL national event going on there?
Or earlier in the week in Dallas so the kids on those ECNL clubs could have attended. If they want numbers, then have to plan accordingly.

And going back to the formation that works for US this time, 4 in the back.

Anonymous said...

827 new concept to you, lead by example?
Your kid shouting at the other kids and blaming them for her failures isn't leadership.
Your whining about the other kids perceived inadequacies is pathetic.

Anonymous said...

Okay welcome to crazytown. Who said any of that was going on? Take a pill. It's probably well past your bedtime.

Anonymous said...

THis seems to be the same 9:30ish poster who is filled with anger. Go troll another blog.

Anonymous said...

As much as I like the idea of the 3 back, I'm glad to see the ladies brought the 4 formation last night. It was a decent game although the competition wasn't there.
I was impressed by Lavelle but she's got to use her right foot!!! Surprised to see this at this level, wonder if her coaches never reprimanded her for this.
Pugh did well but showed signs of selfish play.
Should've been a 8-0 blowout.
Mewis....what can I say...outstanding!!
Lloyd should retire...just saying

Anonymous said...

434 Really? So now the USSF is calling kids in to full camps to keep them away from ECNL games that are pretty meaningless to these kids ? Cmon man. A conspiracy theory too far. Do you not think these kids have played a lot of high stress soccer recently and just maybe there are other kids on the team who can see the minutes?

If the purpose of a shocase is to be seen, then these kids no longer need that.

Anonymous said...

4:34 I hope you're joking or drinking!!!
What a awesome opportunity for her to be called up!!!
Pretty sure that will do more for her future than playing for her ecnl team this weekend!
You probably also think the russians interfered with our election right?

Anonymous said...

9:40

Nobody shouts on my daughter's team. Of course its not about shouting. Have you played at all?

Anonymous said...

"Lloyd should retire - just saying"

- you likely want to spark a debate.

Cant really help you, pal.

Anonymous said...

Ok I'll play
Remind me how she impacted the game last night?

Anonymous said...

7:09 - Lloyd?? How about Allie Long? Watched her turn over the ball again and again. Her only goals are headers. Her feet are her worst weapon. Shame the sport is soccer where using your feet is pretty critical.

Anonymous said...

I thought Lloyd had a good game. As someone noted, the opposition was not very strong so tough to give this game any real weight. But, it was nice to see better work throughout.

And very happy that Ellis went back to the 4-4-2. The US bread and butter.

As Ally Wagner said, it is tough to judge any of it because of all of the coaching inconsistency that has occurred as far as formations, personnel, formations with certain personnel, talent of opponent. Too many variables to figure out what works and what doesn't. And, because nothing is consistent; operating in a vacuum.

So, consistency; matters. consistency in formation; matters. Consistency in personnel; matters. Consistency in formation with certain personnel; matters.
I hope the coach is listening.

Anonymous said...

9:33 - I think soccer blog people interferred with election
I mean this is a blog of those all knowing so why not. :)

Anonymous said...

1:43 - sounds like my kid's team. Hope her coach was watching and listening.

Anonymous said...

http://www.espn.com/espnw/sports/article/19103065/us-women-soccer-team-face-sweden-1st-time-2016-olympics-stunner

Now, this should be a good barometer.

Anonymous said...

Anyone going to EDP this weekend?
Our first time, curious about it...

Anonymous said...

It's a spectacle - so many games/fields. Food is a nice bonus - plenty of options.

Arrive early as parking is slow - and take alternate entrance - (take right AFTER the right where all the cars are going and go AROUND)

I am sure somebody will post soon about the "lack of big time college coaches attending"

heh - so what?

Goalkeeper and striker showcase recommended.

Enjoy.

Anonymous said...

Yeah bc everyone's daughter is supposed to be picked for top 5 D1!!!
Many parents need a little dose of realism. Perhaps coaches should be more honest about the player's prospects

Anonymous said...

Go Wildcats...........

Anonymous said...

Yea copa will pick up some more GS points and be #1 real soon

Anonymous said...

So how did that work oout?

Anonymous said...

So, Pugh goes pro and waves bye bye to UCLA. We are discussing high school vs. GDA. Next it will be college vs. pro for some. Interesting times in the women's soccer game.

Anonymous said...

Good for her!!

Anonymous said...

Some players just arent intersted in being students - and if they stand to make enough $$ without college - you are right - good for them.

Of course attending school part time is an option - as is going back later on

Does the college game suffer?

No.

As it didnt minus Horan

Anonymous said...

I think it's a great option. On-line learning options from most universities are much better now. And, if playing overseas, I think some clubs include as part of their "package." That may be what Pugh is looking at, getting her degree from UCLA, still, but on line.

Anonymous said...

http://mlsmultiplex.com/2017/04/19/nwsl-uswnts-mallory-pugh-turning-pro-gets/

Part of it is a sweet deal from Nike, apparently. Cha ching!!

Anonymous said...

It's good to see the girls getting a piece of the pie. LaValle just inked a deal with New Balance.
Would be nice to see some of the coinage trickle down to the NWSL/WPSL (NCAA allowable amounts) teams, too.

Anonymous said...

LaVelle likely headed to Liverpool Ladies.....with her New Balance deal

She's growing on me a bit.

Anonymous said...

GDA try outs coming up, right? Anyone think there will be movement from ECNL clubs without to clubs that have emblem? Just wondering what is the temperature out there.

Anonymous said...

103 without knowing what area you are referring to. impossible to say. NYE will be diff , to NJ a, CT and Boston area

Anonymous said...

1:03- At this age level? I just really don't see the benefit? Why would a senior in high school make the switch to GDA from ECNL? Is there really going to be THAT much of a benefit to warrant a change for one year? Unless they are unhappy with the training at their current ECNL club, I cannot see any good reason why they would bother making the change.

I know there could be several factors: training, cost, exposure and level of play. I think there that for one year....there would have to be a big differential in one of these to make the switch....and I think a good argument can be made that the differences for the first year of GDA will be marginal or would weigh in the ECNL favor.

At younger ages, then I think there will be a lot more switching over.

Anonymous said...

210 gives you one PoV. I very much disagree, but each to their own. This no criticism of 210, i totally get it, BUT its why a GDA will not really work. In a country that values HS soccer equal to high level training you will struggle to sell a GDA. Forget exposure and cost ( will be less or equivalent), there has to be a majority of high level kids who are good but also driven to get better.. I just dont see enough of them to make a large number of GDAs viable in the NE.

I dont think you can make a good case that the differences will be marginal , but even if you can , for a top player who thirsts to get better, its ALL ABOUT the marginal improvement. Thats the edge. thats what you are training the extra day to get on your competition.

Girls soccer in the USA for even the very good player, tends to stop at College commitment.Its the point where necessity meets effort. Once committed, many think job done. Very few are driven to keep working to improve the odds of starting or excelling in College and even fewer are driven to go further .

210 i stress, its not a criticism of you. I totally get it and to a large extent agree. Im just stating why i think a GDA may be to much for too few.

Anonymous said...

http://widenerpride.com/news/2017/4/25/todd-wawrousek-steps-down-as-head-womens-soccer-coach-at-widener.aspx

Rumor has it he's the new girls DOC at Classics and GDA coach

Anonymous said...

Makes sense, he lives in that area. Best of luck to him.

Anonymous said...

3:07 - i agree.

I can't tell you the amount of conversations I have with people who have kids that are "going" to GDA or are trying out that always, always talk about high school soccer. Well, in high school they do this. And, in high school, she had this many goals. In high school, her coach taught her to do this. And, then I see it translate to bad habits on the field. Ugh! Hopefully, those kids that really want to be high school stars stay there.

And, I agree with you too, I get it. You are only a teenager a short time. You are an adult (or supposed to be) forever after. Part of this stage in life is doing these things; taking advantage of being a teenager. There is much value in high school as far as this stage of your life. Certainly not as far as developmental soccer, but it's not always about that to some.

But, as you note, some of getting better in your craft is making the sacrifice to forego this and hoping that the better option was exactly as it was sold to be. Crap shoot at this point somewhat.

Even I was sold 100% on GDA, but am not so much sold because I don't want it to be an extension of the same old same old and neither does my kid.

Anonymous said...

1:18 - agree with you that all areas will be different. But, what are all the areas thinking re ECNL vs. GDA and movement between clubs re some kids.

And, what do you think about some NWSL teams aligning with only certain clubs? Do you think that now it's up to those clubs to support them as they have alienated others? My friend and I had this discussion recently. Because, while they are having open try-outs; are they really open?

Anonymous said...

420 ..307 again The thing you HAVE to be sold on is the quality of YOUR coach. not the GDA or the USSF or anything else. If YOUR COACH is good then its worth going to the GDA. even for one year - if your aim it to play your best soccer beyond your HS years.

Anonymous said...

427 tbh, I have never really cared about that or understood why others do. I have always steered my kid towards individual development so what others are doing has never entered the equation.

Anonymous said...

4:41 - i hear you re that, but don't you want the better players to be around your child, too. The over achievers will always push themselves but they also need others to make a decent team. Otherwise, it's just high school where several stand out and run circles around the rest. And, then measure themselves and how they are doing by that standard.

And, agree with you, the coach. But what if it's the coach that concerns me?

Anonymous said...

Or one not being named yet. :)

Anonymous said...

Exactly.

Anonymous said...

Who's not named yet?

Anonymous said...

3:07 no offense taken, although I think you misinterpreted my opinion to mean that a player wishes to not get stronger once they commit. On the contrary...I think that should always be the case, or the player will find themselves sitting on the bench in college. I just don't necessarily think that moving to the GDA for that one year will give them that significant increase in training. I just don't agree. Personally my player will be increasing their training their senior year in order to enter college soccer at their best.

Anonymous said...

3:07 and I also wanted to quick add, no where did I mention high school soccer as being a reason to not switch, so I am a little confused as to where that comes into what I had written.

Anonymous said...

937/941 I dont believe I said you did. I said

In a country that values HS soccer equal to high level training you will struggle to sell a GDA.

The value of HS soccer is eroding over time so the sell gets easier ans fewer kids see it as a rite of passage. However the most talked about difference in the 2 offerings is the HS soccer piece. So you could say it a trade off between HS Soccer and an extra days training.

I personally believe that all the social and leadership benefits of HS are available in Club soccer. Those are things you learn form being part of a team, not just a HS team.

I did stress that was one PoV and a valid one - im jut giving another. Im not singling out you or your kid, Im saying the majority of girls I see feel that they have scaled the wall once they commit. Look at the attendance rates for seniors on ECNL teams post commit and first year drop out rates. they are very high .

Girls use soccer to get to College, they dont necessarily see themselves playing 4 years at a high level. its a massive commitment.

I can only speak for the Clubs I know and in those, the GDA will be a much better training environment.

Anonymous said...

I think GDA training environment will be much better too, but which environment works best I guess is my concern.

Anonymous said...

216 confused. Work best ?

Anonymous said...

Which team or club maybe would be my guess.

Anonymous said...

confused with the confusion

Anonymous said...

@ 2:16 here. Invites to several GDA try-outs. Not sure which will provide best training environment. Each have different strengths and weaknesses. What is everyone looking for since it's only for a year? And, what are we to expect, since it's only for a year?

Anonymous said...

1005 i would eliminate the "its only one year" thoughts from your head. one year is a lot of time in your kids soccer journey. I expect high level tactical and technical training. i expect a great facility with a positive atmosphere focused on hard work and fun. I expect my daughter to emerge a better player. Better prepared to hit the ground running in College.


Anonymous said...

here here

Anonymous said...

i expect as well. Fingers crossed that is how it plays out.

Anonymous said...

1229 honestly my fingers are not crossed for a few reasons

- the coach is excellent
- the GDA is now not aligned with the ECNL Club in any way
- the new GDA owner is deep pocketed and has a reputation to uphold so is going to do the right thing

its all upside really. Full disclosure, I have always thought the ECNL tournament formats and game heavy programming was not great for the players and that HS soccer has very little to do with improving a players game.

Anonymous said...

Agree with you re the ECNL format; too much. If women in the game (college and pro) need at least a day recovery, why is it different for young ladies when they are most vulnerable as far as growth plate/s, etc.

Congrats on your MAC GDA daddy with the deep pockets. Hopefully, he doesn't have alligator arms as well.

Anonymous said...

Not defending HS soccer here - but it does have its place in development

It allows the player who may not be a leader on her club team to do so on the "lesser" talented school team - to GROW in this respect - and also to almost be forced to carry play - leading to increased technical confidence level when she does return to club play.

YES. I have witnessed players improving between June of their respective 8th/9th grade years and late fall 9th/10th - with no club play in September-early November - look like a more confident, skilled talent just 4-5 months later.

Not here to credit/discredit the coaching in high schools - just pointing out that the makeup of high school teams allows players freedom to DARE TO improve - to make movesdecisions that affect games.

The psychological hurdle of doing so - of breaking out of the shell a bit - needs to be noted. A parent can be helpful in this respect - while at the same time allowing - good or bad - the HS coach to coach.

Anonymous said...

10:48

Is the team you are joining/staying with (Cedar?) having ID sessions - or is it complete?

Thanks.

Anonymous said...

830 all good. I see training as a huge part of development. I have yet to see a HS team that practices in a consistent and high level manner. Yes, a kid can go out there and try things if they so choose, but I have not see a HS environment that will consistently improve top level players. After all, the HS discussion is in the context of so called elite players - ECNL / GDA type players;)

Anonymous said...

835 .. No.

Anonymous said...

8:30 - confident yes. "skilled talent" is the gray area. "skilled" for hs doesn't necessarily translate to "skilled" for club depending on which level the child plays. Everyone fits in the HS pseudo soccer environment.
Look, if the GDA didn't happen, most kids opting out would still be playing. But, it did happen, so here we are.

Anonymous said...

8:38 I see HS ball as free play -so instead of going to the park for a pickup game they can use HS to try somethings they wouldn't try with their club and of course play with friends and have friends at the games supporting them like we did back in the day at junpier valley park or at the oval. This is needed for development also.

Anonymous said...

I don't think US Soccer is devaluing all the attributes of hs soccer, the creative play, the social, kids that don't necessarily play the sport outside of school coming together.
It's about the amount of soccer (sometimes too many games after a full day of school scheduled in such a small window); the amount of training/sometimes over training; lack of any recovery/down time; facilities all over the place as far as condition; mostly questionable refs; lack of licensing requirements for coaches, and so on.
But as one poster said, here we are.

Anonymous said...

941 it comes down to what your HS season alternatives are. I dont see ti as "free" at all. there is a physical toll to be paid if you play. Refs are not good, fields can be bad and the variation in not only talent, but understanding of the rules and danger presented by some tackles can lead to kids diving in recklessly and causing damage.

HS soccer is rapidly declining even further in quality.

Anonymous said...

950 the USSF are interested in the high level player.. The social aspects of HS are cool, but replaceable.

Anonymous said...

9:56 not sure where you are from, but when we played we played with no refs which is just like having bad refs and physical - there were always guys dancing becasue of a hard tackle. My point is that the kids don't have pick up games today as much as we did or like they do in europe - HS soccer can fill that void, that's all i'm saying - not that it's good or that it's safe everything has a risk.

10:04 I agree - so where do we get our pick up games from? My kid can't walk or take a bike to the park she needs a car. I wasn't talking social aspect - I'm saying trying some crazy move with no pressure.

Anonymous said...

It's OK - 9:23

My daughter wont be taking your kid's position.

Thanks for the chuckle.

Anonymous said...

1201 I actually misread your comment. I though you were asking if the team was Cedar Stars> Apologies. its not about taking anyones spot is it. Either you are good enough or you are not, we are in NJ .

Anonymous said...

1153 HS is a structured environment. It is further form a pick up game than Club small sided scrimmages are.

Anonymous said...

I agree - but it is time with a ball 5 days a week and no harm can come from that.

Anonymous said...

131 you make is sound like its that or nothing. many HS practices are not time with a ball. You could get more ball work in the driveway in 15 mins on your own.

Anonymous said...

2:02 - I agree with you.

I think the GDA should not allow HS soccer and they should train at least 4 times per week plus games.

For everyone else that loves the game, I think they should play HS and use that time to try some crazy moves over and over again and who know's maybe they improve, make a D1 roster and actually play - they could use that avenue to make an NT. Remember all those D1 game are on demand and NT coaches can pull as many as they like to validate those stats worthy of NT inclusion.

Just my 2 cents

Anonymous said...

Aren't some GDA sessions today?

Anonymous said...

Yes, classics yesterday
PF today...but roster already set

Anonymous said...

wrong, there is tremendous uncertainty. Surprising number of players making contact with PF, but with the tryout this early, attendance questionable. Should consider a second July tryout to fill roster spots 18-22. that would be interesting.

Anonymous said...

Tino is that you?
If daughter didn't go to clinics over winter or if she's not top player worth recruiting/stealing, she's not on list

Anonymous said...

Lol this is either a bubble player's parent trying to deflect kids away from the imminent tryout or its a parent of a player who knows she has no chance.

Of course he's only interested in "top player worth recruiting/stealing (lol use of the word stealing to again suggest impropriety and implies the kid is transferring affiliation against her or or parent's will..) At this age group what is pretty much is what is. He isn't taking on projects for one or two years. You state the obvious as if its some type of travesty.

This is the way of the world achieve- elevate- achieve greater- elevate- achieve greater yet...
Why do you suggest its improper for a doc of what the ussf has decreed is the top of the pyramid, to identify and recruit worthy players to participate and potentially gain from the experience? In fact he's probably been directed by the USSF to do so. Academy docs- you are sooo bad...how dare you offer kids the opportunity to play at the highest level.

Anonymous said...

You're correct
Some of us like clubs that actually develop players though.
How would you like to have your daughter in a club that is only looking to replace her at the drop of a hat?

Anonymous said...

Ok, presuming we are not talking about a little local program, but one at the top of the pyramid: If she was replaced with a better player or one perceived to have a higher ceiling then I would consider the club as doing its job and help to find my kid a spot on a team, either within the club or outside, that was appropriate for her level

Anonymous said...

1001 the dilution of the sport that has occurred makes this a bigger issue. The majority of teams have a pretty big gap between top of roster and bottom.

Anonymous said...

7:27 - get off your high horse - had the 3 players I have under my control attended the PF session they'd be ON the team.

Anonymous said...

Cocky much? You have 3 daughters?

Anonymous said...

Question

is it fair for ECNL board to disallow Kaz Tambi from coaching ECNL teams now, simply becasue he is going to be the DA for NYCFC?

Anonymous said...

On what grounds?

Anonymous said...

1109 it's stupid to exclude such a gem as KT from developing players at any level. Fair?-No predictable-yes as he is caught in the war between the ECNL and USSF

Regarding 1035. Interesting that you believe all your kids are DA level and would be included. Especially since many are espousing the belief that rosters are already closed.

The rosters are not already closed and I am sure that the PF coaches are hoping a previously unknown YNT level player shows up at any of the DA tryouts

Anonymous said...

105 so we can assume from this that the ECNL dont care much about the impact on the kids. Innocently impacted by losing their coach on game day.

Anonymous said...

10:35 - i think 10:46 may be a coach or weirdo holding some against their will. Actually, may be a little of both. lol

Anonymous said...

8:04 - you are either a classics' parent or your kid didn't get an invite. Ahhh...hurt butt. Spots r available.

Anonymous said...

10:01 - spot on. We are talking about U19. If the kid hasn't gotten it yet, need to realize they have hit plateau.

Anonymous said...

I would appreciate input. My daughter was offered a spot after a visit with a college this past weekend. D3 but a good school and the place she would like to go. Should the offer be more formal then a conversation and should it spell out any "academic" money or as this is D3 is he confirming her acceptance to the school as well as a spot on the team? Thanks.

Anonymous said...

@7:37
Exact same situation with my daughter.
We are following up with another visit to specifically get more details, meet head of her academic major, admissions etc...
The roster spot is in essence a "verbal" agreement, as D3 goes. You should be able to get more details if admissions/scholarships are a caveat.
I would highly recommend not signing any "early acceptance" docs.
Also...is their a rolling admission system or other?

Anonymous said...

I would find out what a commitment means from their side. If she's on the bubble for admissions does that mean her application is "supported" and they are confident that she will gain admission? Did you show them her grades and scores and did they run them through admissions? Do they even offer merit scholarships? How does their financial aid work? If she qualifies for aid, then how much is grant and how much loan? Does her soccer affect the relative proportion?

Good luck

Anonymous said...

staying in the d3 world...how about if daughter has 2 offers? Other than coach's help with admissions, what is there in our "arsenal"? All other things being close to equal...ie tuition, room and board, scholarship etc...is there special $$ that can help coach sweeten the offer without being called athletic?

Anonymous said...

1115 not trying to be rude, but is your decision purely based on money ?

Anonymous said...

Not rude of you, honest question...Not about money, that's why I said all things being mostly equal...
She's top of her class, etc...should be easy admission

Anonymous said...

Can be a big discriminator for many people so possibly would be the answer in most people's mind. I don't think we are talking about decisions that are obvious based on other factors such as academic quality.

Yes at some schools there are other types of scholarships and or grants that they frequently target toward athletes. Not all d3s have these. Some are only awarded if the student has a demonstrated financial need. For example: they can be endowed schoalrships with a benefactor's name attached or simply a "presidential" scholarship who's distribution is at the privilege of the college president.

Anonymous said...

then surely these factors can only be assessed properly by someone in possession of all the facts - you and your family.

Anonymous said...

What are you talking about. Poster asked for information on d3 merit schiolarships. I answered them. Most decisions have a financial component. You are a little..off...

Anonymous said...

i think perhaps you are the one a little off. You seem to be disputing my point. We can all offer general advice, but the OP is the only person in possession of all the facts.

Anonymous said...

Did you add any information to the board? other than in a very condescending manner stating the obvious that an individual family has all the information in their possession regarding their child's college choice. Uh yeah sooo helpful. I answered a question regarding the availability of merit money and you added... ?? Yeah nothing. You are one of those superior than thou forum posters- get help and you might be able to garner your happiness from your real life.

Anonymous said...

Flies off handle then implies others are not happy. Hmm OK.

Anonymous said...

Where do some of you find the time to do all this back and forth? Is one of you the blog administrator? Let the person post his/her info. It's a starting point.

Anonymous said...

OP Here on the D3 commit Question,
Hopefully I can douse the flames. The coach came back with a legit offer tied to tuition/scholarship money. The school was my daughter's top pick between 3 D3 2 d2 and 1 D1 schools. Good reputation for her major was first criteria, size of school was second and soccer was third. Weighing in on the soccer side made it her #1 choice based on coach, ability for playing time freshman year and personality of the team. All my questions to this point were answered by the coach through my daughter. She lead and I waited for updates. Next step is to call the coach and say yes.

Anonymous said...

220 Congratulations and good luck .

Anonymous said...

Well done 220.

Its actually good for the D2s and D3s that they can get a jump on the D1s due to different contact rules.

You likely dont want to mention the school for good reason. Best of luck - sounds like a very solid decision.

Anonymous said...

Okay to deter from try-outs, here's a fun fact I just on Women's Soccer Weekly. They provided a graph of the amount of successfully connected passes per NWSL team for the past 3 weeks. Ranged from 64.3% (lowest) - wk 1 to 81.70% (highest) - wk 3. Finding has been that "the team with the higher passing accuracy in a match loses more often than they win!" Huh.
Now, that wasn't the case in She Believes Cup, but thought it was an interesting notation about a pretty important stat.

Anonymous said...

1148PM My daughter's team is like that...possess, possess, possess and dominate the match, but then lose because they don't convert their scoring chances while the other team gets a goal or two. It's frustrating to play so well and not get the result.

Anonymous said...

The forward pass completion rate is a useful stat that many colleges are using now. Circulating it around the back endlessly can result in bigtime pass completion rates and possession percentages, but means only that the opposition's line of confrontation isn't very high.

Anonymous said...

possession without purpose is pointless. keeping possession =/= playing well. As Barcelona/Spain rose to the top of the game playing a passing possession , patient style, that became the new gold standard. Problem is you need that level of player to make it work.

So many people think dominating = holding the ball.There are many successful teams now who have realized that its better to play on the counter with pace and purpose. Chelsea, LCFC ( last year) . Athletico Madrid have all had success doing it.

Given the overall technical and IQ level of players in the US womens game, I would expect a direct pacy style to dominate possession based teams.

Anonymous said...

So did anyone tryout at a new team at this age in the PA area, if not how were #'s for your clubs, any new faces. I believe 2 clubs had their tryouts at the same fields on the same days also looks like CFC switched up the coaches again. When do the offers go out?

Anonymous said...

7:59 Dude why would anyone leave when they are Juniors and Seniors to play for a coach that doesn't know them? If they are not set on a school why put that in jeopardy by switching to a big unknown (minutes) unless of course you are not getting them?

Anonymous said...

One reason that I know for sure exists is the coach of the current team telling a player that she must drop down a level within the program if she wants to stay at the club. Some kids chose to switch teams to try and stay playing at the highest level possible.

Anonymous said...

So kids are just shopping for teams that will allow them to play where they (the kids) want even if they shouldn't? Why don't parent's just let them play where they will best succeed?

And, "highest level" is subjective as well. It's the highest level that the player can handle, along with all school obligations such as academics, etc. Some kids juggle all of this better than others, too. They are only teenagers once. Let them enjoy it.

Anonymous said...

Thanks for the parenting advice, I am sure everyone appreciated it.

With the 00 age group teams now combining with rising senior 99s, some top level kids (no matter which league) are finding themselves on the outside of the top 18. Even though there may have only been a few months in age difference there was a year and a level difference with the former u15 00s skipping up to u17s. Some of them are finding out they have to make a team change to keep playing.

Dropping down to another team in the same club is indeed a change. Is it much different to switch clubs and play on their A team instead of the original club's B team? If they want to keep playing they will need to switch teams. The color of the uniform staying the same doesn't make it easier. Staying at the top level smooths the transition for some.

How exactly does your parenting advice apply?

Anonymous said...

you must define top level different to me. I agree that some kids have been displaced, but a top player should find readyalternatives, travel not withstanding.

Anonymous said...

Exactly what I said if displaced she will find another spot remember the question was:

7:59 Dude why would anyone leave when they are Juniors and Seniors to play for a coach that doesn't know them?

I answered because she didn't make a new combined age group team at her club.

Anonymous said...

Not making it original team means maybe she didn't progress. I'm not trying to be saucy. It's a very sensitive situation, especially with teenage girls.

So, as the prior poster noted and someone belittled the sound parenting advice, go to where she will best succeed. Apparently, she wasn't putting forth or wasn't getting the best from her other team. If you/she enjoy the club and the playing style, stay with the perceived lesser team. Just work hard to get bumped up, if that is what she wants.

Tough situation. Good luck.

Anonymous said...

Dude not asking for advice. Merely answering the question of why a kid would leave a team at this point in their youth soccer journey. The question was not why did my kid move because my kid has been with the same club for 5 years. Further, FYI, A kid at the bottom or even middle of the roster in an 00 team may progress as well or even better than some of her teammates, but when 9 or 10 99s are now competing for 18 roster spots against a roster of former u17 00s on an 00/99 team, should it surprise you that some 00 kids get bumped down and will be looking at options? BTW, not that it matters, but my kid is top of the roster, now and also will be on the new team, but there were several kids bumped for this reason.

Anonymous said...

Regarding the level. For example current u17 ECNL kids who don't make the u18/19 ECNL or DA team may tryout at a perceived less successful ECNL team or DA team. Example: Kid doesn't make PDA 99/00 ECNL goes to FC Bucks 99/00 ECNL. Kid Doesn't make Breakers 99/00 DA goes to FC Boston 99/00 ECNL.

Anonymous said...

Well thank you for YOUR advice. But it sounds so much better coming from you.

Anonymous said...

2;43 - So, you asked the question YOU answered yourself. Good one.

Anonymous said...

Now I see why people move out of PA......Get a life.....NJ soccer much stronger....

Anonymous said...

Who is in PA? I'm from NJ.

Anonymous said...

Thanks for the comic relief

Anonymous said...

I think any player that accepts a roster spot on a top of the pyramid club should be club tied after their sophomore year.

It's not fair to player #16-#18 on good teams not in the top of the pyramid.
How is that fair to them?

Anonymous said...

Can you explain what you mean by club tied? No high school? Or should be in the club system already? txs

And, on another note, I have a younger child and heard that Sky Blue just aligned with NYSC, too, for a GDA. Is this true if anyone knows?

Anonymous said...

246 what do you mean by top of pyramid. And since when have we put restrictions on the basis of what is "fair" ? Many of the clubs you think are top , became that way by NOT being fair.

Anonymous said...

The current top of the pyramid league is the ECNL and it's member clubs have multiple teams per age.

I think when player accept a roster spot on one of these clubs they play in event and have access to coaches that others do not at the league's events/id identification is also closed to my understanding. So what I am saying if players are using this platform to get into a school they should be 'club tied"after their sophomore year. I don't think they should leave the club if they have been demoted and take a roster spot from a player who is bottom of the roster of a good team not in the ECNL. The ECNL clubs have a reputation of placing many of their B/C team players.

We should have always put restrictions on what is "fair". Look the a club will not turn away a player if makes their team better i get that, not should they. That's why I say there should be a club tied clause. A player not accepting a roster spot on the B team in their junior/senior year and taking a roster spot away from a bottom of the roster player on a non-ecnl team is"bush league". If the ECNL club was good enough for them prior to being displaced and since these clubs place B/C team players them leaving because they are not on the "A" team at this age is "bush" in my opinion.
I get it if the club doesn't have a B team but when they do that's just flat out wrong and not fair to do this to another player this late in the game they wouldn't like it if it was them.

Anonymous said...

New king of the hill, great win,congrats copa

Anonymous said...

337 you are off base. There are Clubs that are loyal to the kids who have been there. Who dont actively reach out to poach. Who do give PT to kids as part of development. No one likes those Clubs. They call them bad and worship the ones that win. No matter how they do it

Winning is defined very narrowly in youth sports. There are many winners on losing teams.

Clubs like PDA would never accept your solution because it would impact them most. The destination Clubs that suck up kids others have developed. And its Clubs like that who have the power because they win.

Developing players is not something we choose to measure.

Anonymous said...

7:51 no one said actively searching or poaching?

Player gets demoted they are seeking the club not the other way. No team will turn away a player that makes them better.Yeah I know they give PT to bottom of the roster players, that's my point. These players are happy and have no intentions seeking the top of the pyramid clubs. But they are the ones who get hurt when a top of the pyramid player doesn't except their b team demotion and decide to leave.

Why wouldn't PDA accept my solution it would actually benefit them They keep their players making their 2nd teams better while taking on new players. Remember I said club tied to the top of the pyramid clubs to protect other players this late in a game.

Develop players for what? NT? College? Individually? there are different levels and each one is right.

Anonymous said...

After witnessing tryout season, it has become 100% fact that there are no clubs left that have player development as their priority. "Poaching" is a good term used in this blog, or the chase for the new toy.
All about results, numbers, notoriety and embellishing the coach's resume.

Anonymous said...

737 Develop players for what? NT? College? Individually? there are different levels and each one is right.

Not really. Thats the myth that has been sold to justify all the varying levels. Development is development. You dont develop kids for the NT. A talented player who get good coaching, works hard and develops becomes good enough to get consideration. The levels you list are simply reflective of different levels of ability and desire. Not who has been developed less or more.



Anonymous said...

You just said...absolutely nothing!
Are you a politician or soccer coach by chance?

Anonymous said...

I think you have the club tied mentality a bit wrong. Maybe your player was displaced because an ECNL player was demoted and came to your team, this is not the fault of the player or parents it is at the club level. Very few players have the power, there are probably a handful of players across each age group that can easily move between teams/clubs at the top tier without hurting their playing time, commitment chance and overall soccer resume. For the most part the Clubs and coaches are always looking for someone who they think is better then your kid. The loyalty should not exclusively be player to club, it should be club to player, especially at the sophomore level. Although at our club last year I saw a coach be a bit loyal to his players with bad results. I believe the club wanted to demote a coach and did not have a replacement in mind so they moved up the younger age coach, he took most of his players with him but has not done well this season playing against older teams. It is a delicate balance.

Anonymous said...

For the person wanting kids to be club tied, isn't there a place for the kids bumped on your club so they would be club tied as well? Don't they have a B/C team for these kids?

Anonymous said...

Most clubs do but at this age it's all about showcase right?
Most b/c teams do not play the "top" tournaments bc they must qualify by individual results....

Anonymous said...

142 is it? By this age 2000 birth year I would assume that most kids on top teams have interest from schools OR have been seen. Surely showcasing is only important to kids who have not committed OR are still undecided.

So why dont Clubs have SHOWCASE team that attends these events?

becasue its not about that is it . Its almost always about winning .

Anonymous said...

1:58 I agree with a few things you said.
I however find it a bit pompous or elitist to think that most 2000s do not need showcasing...I think the percentage is lower than you think for those who have committed or picked a school. Most posters on here lie about their daughters' accomplishments.
Yes it's all about winning, sadly....

Anonymous said...

For ECNL I believe the composite teams were "The next level down" but after last years re-alignment I believe players/parents are snake bit as girls relegated to the B team as a 99/00/01 realized that other A teams may pick them up. As a parent of a daughter who was relegated I can attest to not sticking with the club that evaluated and dropped her a level. Plus there were other extenuating circumstances. I will say that my daughter has a place to play in college and it was one of her top 3. But I know of girls who want to play in college that were relegated and stayed with the club that do not know their future. 2 specific players were told they could try to walk on (2017 grad) and there are quite a few 2018 grads that are still hustling with ID camps.

Anonymous said...

2:22 - i am not other poster and don't consider myself elitist as I always pass along info learned about various colleges and spots that may be open. I'm not one of those that hoards that kind of info. My kid can only play at one school.

You are right. I guess many parents hype their kids as far as where they are going. I guess I just figured most kids were just waiting for final grades, sat/act scores, etc. to finalize spots.

What is the percentage of those still waiting for spots do you think? That is a good discussion, any ideas how to help these gals who may be lost in the system.

Anonymous said...

3:18 PM
Not the original poster but I like your idea about helping other players. My daughter is committed verbally. Our experience was unique as I think everyone's is to an extent. And the work is not done as she is a 2018. We had 2 coaches indicate that they would be making offers at the official visit. the process with these coaches started in the fall of her freshman year. These are not D1 powerhouses but relatively local schools with the major she wanted and good soccer programs. She (we) did a lot of the work, her club coach was little to no help (ECNL), I think the reason for this is she was choosing soccer based on a school and not school based on soccer. Her decision would not pad his resume based on her commit. So the work was on her to know the teams, know which players would be graduating the year she is coming in as well as her sophomore year. She contacted coaches, visited campus during open houses and asked to meet with the coaches (Sophomore year), the coaches met with her, were courteous but made no indications of interest. She then emailed and thanked the coaches along with her soccer resume and game schedule. We received Clinic/Camp invites and attended, both coaches showed up to a few games, she emailed and thanked them. Each coach invited her to visit and meet the team and watch training (we also attended a few games). Final meeting with the one coach resulted in the "We like you and will be putting together an offer" , the other coach continued to send camp invites. Both attended a tournament this year, both sent her glowing emails about how well she played, neither made an offer. A school that she just started talking with in the fall of sophomore year followed the same path, made her an offer and we are looking forward to 4 more years of soccer after high school. We found out that the one school was expecting a transferred red shirt, and the other coach indicated that he had drug his feet and missed out as he was intending to prepare an offer.

At this point for 2017’s most spots are walk-on, D2 still has limited spots, and D3 will start looking at 2018’s through the fall. – This is from coaches we talked to and how their recruiting cycle goes. Look for schools that are graduating a lot of players the spring your daughter is going in, be versatile as a coach may not have a spot at center mid, but may see your daughter as coachable and able to fill a need.

Anonymous said...

222 not what I said.

By this age 2000 birth year I would assume that most kids on top teams have interest from schools OR have been seen.

Read it again .

Anonymous said...

349 i and the OP who mentioned Showcase teams.

thats how you help them. You devote resources in the Club to help those who need it most. Instead of chasing Ws in league play and ignoring the kids at the end of the bench. Instead of adding another YNT prospect to your team , you work with #11 on your roster and take as much pleasure in her commit /improvement as you do the top kids on your roster.

This is one reason a REAL DA would be good. One based solely on merit. It would carve out the kids who dont need as much help with recruiting. the ones who just need help refining their games and picking which school. Thats not what we are headed towards at present.

Unfortunately, its big business and the audience (parents) are willing marks (largely due to a lack of real knowledge in the sport)

The current diversion is ECNL vs GDA , but thats a sideshow. Improving your game to a point wher its a real resume enhancer and gets you to a school that was maybe a stretch should be the real goalfor the vast majority

The ECNL is not really doing that. Sure, they are giving you exposure and a platform, but delegating all the power to a select few and to the Clubs = massive variation in basic standards and no enforcement. Colleges are a captive audience and have to take X number of players , so its natural they will take the best available.

GDA is flawed too because only a few kids are really passionate about the game. You dont need to force the 95pct to do something simply to satisfy the 5 pct.

Im glad my kid has one year left .


Anonymous said...

Amen. This stuff gets more and more crazy each year.

Anonymous said...

Kind of relevant as per above posts:
http://www.soccerparenting.com/tiffeny-milbrett-stop-youth-soccer-recruiting/

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