Monday, January 14, 2019

U18 Girls Youth Soccer

This page is focused on Under 18 girls youth soccer, primarily in Region 1 and everyone is invited to post.

Teams face increased competition for the top players, (who are increasingly attending college showcases).

More teams consolidate and the best teams--academy soccer, club soccer and high school teams--battle to attract and retain the right player mix.

Stay tuned. This is bound to be good.

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Anonymous said...

GFA did the same thing afew years ago....SC still the best coach around

Anonymous said...

Best coach ? you must be a troll

Anonymous said...

Looks like Strikers and Beadling are most likely out at this point (USYS Nat'ls). Two losses each. Both last in their brackets, currently.

Anonymous said...

yea right...
cant win in NPL
cant win in region 1
cant win in champions league
but wins a 6 team tournament and now they are National champs.
JOKE

Anonymous said...

HBC tied for 1st in bracket. Still hope for Region 1 championship at U17.
And, MD Coyotes and YMS both have 1 loss and 1 win. But both are tied for 2nd in bracket w/ same record, pts. and goal differential.

Anonymous said...

4:11
I agree.
i wish them luck (you are talking about Stallions, i assume), but that is exactly what some have called out as far as participation trophies in leagues other than ECNL. And this is not to tout ECNL, but that is how it should be done. One chance; one national tournament for all the marbles.

In USYS/NPL/EDP/Nat'L/Regional League, if you don't have success here, or here, or here, then try this. That's not how it's supposed to work. It devalues the success.

That's gotta get fixed somehow.

Anonymous said...

Stallions take National. Beat team from same league. Neither won league title. Only in youth soccer.

Anonymous said...

422 it does not need to be fixe. Its part of the deception that is Youth soccer . Parents love it because they are getting what they pay for. Multiple chances to call the whole thing a success.

You would expect a national champion team to be chock full of A grade recruits right? Its all part of shining up the resume , adding medals and using it so justify the years of expense.

No one has any incentive to say the emperor has no clothes. Its bad for business.

Anonymous said...

641 - FA Cup winner did not win the League either. Dont get your point.

Anonymous said...

All 750+ teams usually enter the FA Cup.

Bad analogy.

Anonymous said...

What is FA cup?
7/26 at 4:11 broke it down correctly. when you get multiple opportunities just to say you have a national title, it just doesn't have the same value.
should be one shot after league play. and once you compete, you can't compete for another until the next season. Otherwise, should be a whatever tournament champion title given.

Anonymous said...

Is it the Football Association Challenge Cup being compared? Seriously?? Let's use the women's soccer College Cup as an example; all divisions. Only the winners of the different college divisions can call themselves national champs.

A DI team can't get into or compete against a DIII or DII league just to win a title.

You stay in your league the entire season (out of league play doesn't count against your league scores but does go against your APR and is judged based on level of competition most times). Then it all flushes out in post season; knock out games; no bracket play, first.

Anonymous said...

Gee then what would we do over the summer without all the soccer stuff? Oh yeah, have some down time.
Should be mandatory down time for all the teams to allow the kids to recover.

Anonymous said...

There is an event that can act as this all be tournament in place already. It's called the US Club national Cup. ECNL teams can participate so can NPL teams plusall the USYS top teams that also have US club passes. Very easy to set up. Send Your ECNL Division winners, your NPL Champions plus you also use your State Cups and Regionalsto get the USYS soccer teams in the mix or the ECNL/NPL teams that didn't win their divisions. Would be the supreme Youth Soccer tournament. But ECNL clubs choose to not participate since they have participation awards in place for their member clubs already. That's right I said it - 80% os the ECNL clubs play in the post season for a Champions,North American and Showcase title.
Sop trying to invent something new when it's already in place.

PS. ECNL is a league - and theior National event is only for the 70 clubs in the league (I thinlk we have more than 70 is USA).
National title are earned by running the gauntlet.

I love this multiple chance argument. You have 2 national title one for USYS and one for US Club. Then you have lesser national titles like D2 and D3. NCS and National Cup Super group are D1. President's and National Cup premier are D2. A team can not play in both. Qualifications are easy win.

I also love the add madelas to justify cost. Let's see how else are they going to get their kids seen? By playing less they can save some money right. They don't have access to the ECNL showcases so they have to make it up a different way. At leastthey are trying.

There are two bodies USYS and US Club and some teams are with both - nothing wrong with them playing for two titles one from each. More exposure for their kids. Isn't that what it's about meaningful games for the college coaches to watch?

Why the College Cup and not the Lamar Hunt Cup which has amateur teams lower division teams and mls team playing for one title?

Anonymous said...

10:56
there is no nat'l title for showcase in ECNL and it's certainly not national champion. It's just showcase winner to give kids opportunity of competing in front of the college coaches there already. It's genius actually. And North American cup, does not call itself national champion in any way, either. It's North American Cup champion (no mention of the word national anywhere).

The participation trophies are for the non-Ecnl leagues. When you get multiple attempts at the same title, that's a participation trophy. There, I said it.
I am not an ECNL cheerleader. Hardly. But that league has 1 and only 1 national champion at each age. It's very similar to the College Cup.

Anonymous said...

well, north american cup is north america. my understanding is that some international players are in ECNL so that is why called North America Cup.

Anonymous said...

ECNL is a league so is USYS, EDP, NPL, all of the rest of the alphabet soup. But ECNL can't compete in the other events like NPL and NCS. NPL can. ECNL can't compete in state cups for opportunity at it and then NCS, but USYS can compete in nat'l league, regional league and NCS, Turkey Hill, President's Cup, US Club, all of it. How is that not multiple tries for the same thing?
And ECNL doesn't say national champion of ALL of soccer; just it's league ECNL. But, it's a one and done not well i missed it here, let's try for it there.

Anonymous said...

10:56
use the College Cup philosophy in getting various league top 16. That seems to be the real issue. Teams having a one and done attempt in one league only. No multiple shots in various league titles, though.
Then take those top 16 to compete vs other top 16 winners in all leagues and the Lamar Hunt philosophy re this for a true winner.
The US Open Cup for Youth Soccer.

Anonymous said...

11:56 okay why play in a bracket format then why not just play 3 random games?
Sure sound like a cheerleader. NCS is one chance at the title win state Cup then and only then play in regional, win regional then and onlyu then play for National title. where are the multiple attempts on the USYS side? The US Club side has 3 national titles ECNL/NPL/National Cup 2 of which are LEAGUE titles only. ECNL is like the NWSL a league 1 title for the teams in the league you can call it a national title just like the mlb calls their championship a "world" series.

12:06 you are wrong USYS is a governing body and has leagues that follow it's rules like JAGS, PAGS, EDP, Regional Leagues, National leagues and so on and are carded with the USYS only those teams can participate in their NCS so it's open to every club that plays in one of their leagues. Win state the regional then play for national. US Club is similar but it doesn't have a league restriction it's national Cup is open to all it's member clubs that are carded with them regardless of league. ECNL chooses not to compete in the National Cup I'm sure US Club would want it's flagship league teams to participate. They don't so NJ Stallions won it becasue they played.

You do understand USYS is like the NCAA NCS = D1, President's = D2 and turkey hill = D3 with no regional or national title. If a team plays NCS they can not play President's or Turkey Hill you do know that right? National league is open to the teams that qualify for it and the 4 division winners go tto the NCS final. Regional league teama advancesto the national league for the next season and only the champion advances to the regionals where they have to win the entire thing to play in natiuonals.

I'm still confused by the Multiple attempts.

USYS
1. National league >> NCS nationals (for the 4 division champions only)
2. regional leagues >> Champ to Regionals >> NCS nationals
3. states >> regionals >> NCS nationals (for all the teams not in the national league)
they can not compete in President's cupe or Turkey hill

US Club
1. ECNL >> it's own league title
2. NPL >> it's own league title
3. State Cup >> National Cup (open to all the US club members that choose to play)
4. Regionals >> National Cup (open to all the US club members that choose to play)

Anonymous said...

one more thing USYS makes their national league teams play in the state cup NCS regardless if they are division winner or not - they want the best teams playing for their national title.

On the other hand US Club gave the ECNL an option to choose if they want to play in the National Cup so NJ Stallions beat who was in front of them it's not their fault the ECNL clubs think they are above it.

Anonymous said...

Why are you defending a flawed process? And, it is.

We can help make it better. I am not trying to tear apart any victories, but use some brainstorming to make it better.

Anonymous said...

1:44
your map shows exactly how multiple attempts occur.
ECNL does not compete in any other championship other than it's own league and is actually precluded from most other championship events including NCS (the state cup).

USYS teams have not only the multiple ones you mentioned for competing, but can also compete in the various US Club events for a championship. And some do. ONLY preclusion is ECNL.

NPL teams are the same as USYS and can & do compete in all of the above; including it's own NPL League (obviously). ONLY preclusion is ECNL.

And agree ECNL choses not to participate in US Club championships and it's not the fault of the winner if they don't participate. But, if teams stopped opting into hollow tournaments, the directors would have to improve them or drop them.

And, ECNL are specifically precluded from participating in State Cups where ALL of the other leagues/teams meet.

Maybe this is where the true championship battles could be resolved, in a state cup tourney. THen, all finalists/semi-finalists of all states could battle it out. But ECNL would need to be able to participate.


Anonymous said...

1:59 not defending anything just posting how it is. The ECNL chooses not to participate, so why do we call these hollow titles? The title is legit ECNL could participate is the National Cup but they choose to avoid it. Look at PDA Splash a few years ago they missed out on the ECNL post season so they went to the National Cup. It's all about choices. Where does is say in the ECNL bylaws that they can't play in outside events? Which is weird since they go to jefferson and casl. I guess some are okay.

This is just like the UEFA Champions league, if a team gets bounced before the group stage they enter the Europa Cup. So they have two shots at a title.

USYS is one avenue for teams playing in leagues affiliated with USYS and for the teams that have clubs under the US Club umbrella they get to play for both titles. Nothing wrong with that.

The true battle ground would be the US Club National Cup which currently exists. All the top teams can play including the ECNL teams, NPL teams and USYS teams but we know the ECNL teams will not participate. maybe they will now that the GDA is the top dog?

Anonymous said...

4:10
CASL and Jeff Cup are showcase tournaments, only. No national championship title to seek. ECNL teams participate in Bethesda, Surf Cup and others too, if they choose.

My understanding is that the other leagues preclude them.

Anonymous said...

4:10
yes, US Club COULD be the nationally championship battle ground, but not many want to do it.

In fact, there is a competing national championship tourney going on right now. And, that's part of the schematics of all of it. Working out the schedules so nothing would be competing and then maybe it would get more competition. But everyone has to play in the sandbox together. That doesn't happen in youth soccer. Haven't you learned?

Anonymous said...

Region 1 update at USYS Nat'l Championship U17, U18, U19

Strikers - 0 wins;
Beadling - 0 wins;
YMS and MD Coyotes - both had same record 1-1-1 and same GD; YMS lost in head to head battle (good run though); how do they determine who stays and who doesn't? do they flip a coin?
HBC - 1-1-1 and in semifinals, despite loss today.


Anonymous said...

4.23 this is the same argument as pro/rel

Why have two Div 2 leagues (NASL & USL)? They each think they are doing it the right way.

The USSF should set up a proper pyramid.

GDA << ECNL/NL << NPL/RL << EDP/CCL/PAGS/NEP/JAGS/NYPL/LIJSL and any other league.

But that will never happen because

US Club is all about the club
USYS is all about the team

Anonymous said...

US Soccer won't set up a pyramid because they care more about the individual player and how that player can help them. They are not interested in one club team because they only want that one or two players on the team who is making the difference. Read this great article that shows the pathway for players to the National Team.

http://www.ussoccerda.com/20170719-a-decade-of-da-rise-of-u-s-soccers-development-academy

You have to look at the DA as the ODP of old. Who cares what club colors they wear on the DA. It is only a vehicle to get to your end goal. Not the only vehicle and not the best choice for everyone. As you can see in the article there are many paths to take.

Anonymous said...

The GDA, ECNL, and NPL are exclusive and that is the problem. Say you have a great town team, they will never make it into any or the leagues. Some teams have picked up and moved but that is not the answer. As long as the leagues are exclusive we can never have a true champ or fair system. It should be like the champions league where poor performers get relegated and great play is rewarded. However, the big academies will never let that happen and they have the cash to make sure it doesn't.

Anonymous said...

9:07 take a step back.

like 8:15 said GDA = players. they want the right situation for players to develop into international players. I think they have the right formula more training with less games.

Your town team example fits the USYS model which is about the individual strong team that has a mom and pop club. They give these teams an opportunity by climbing up the ladder state >> regional >> national to play teams of equal ability.

US club is about the bigger clubs. The put a team in every age group regardless of the level of the team. This is security for the club. The apply to ECNL and NPL and have a security blanket for their teams regardless of the level they are guaranteed a spot in the league the American model where USYS is more the international model with promotion/relegation.

And since all sides think their approach is the correct approach they don't play nice with each other. So we will never have a solution unless someone makes them play nice and that someone can only be the USSF 8:15.

So the question is what's best for our players since there are so many different avenues to reach the promise land.

Like other posters said - I would love to see

8 ECNL teams
4 NPL teams
8 national League teams
8* USYS teams using states >> regionals >> nationals to determine the 8
4** US Club teams state >> regionals >> national to determine the 8 cup

* includes the 28 national leagues starting at state level
** includes ECNL/NPL teams starting at state level.

16 USYS teams
16 US Club teams
I believe this would truly give the college coaches a great event with strong teams playing meaningful games.

But we all know this or anything to create a pyrmid will ever happen I agree 8;15

Anonymous said...

a solution to what? IWho the National Champion is? Honestly, who cares? None of the meaningful goals in girls youth soccer are about being the best team. I define meaningful goals as being the ones the system prioritizes .

everything about the process is individual > team. Colleges want players, not teams. Players want individual scholarships . National teams want players .

There is no reason to waste time and money in any of this championship stuff at Club level, but we do it becasue of the obsession we have with being the "winner"

Lets play for championships in HS or College

Anonymous said...

10:56
how is it more training and less games? I looked at the schedule. Games every weekend. How is that less? No back to back; although the DA events will be i assume, but still a lot of games.

Anonymous said...

Unfortunately, the biggest hurdle to any system's success is the politics. And, it starts at the top.
Sr team is an example. Looks like they aren't the best in the world anymore. Maybe not even 2 or 3.
Are they learning yet that bringing in all the internationals to play US ball at US schools and then on US teams (NWSL) with many international coaches may not help the US in the end? It's called sharing your playbook.

Anonymous said...

11:07 I can take the other side.

I say seeing who is National Champion adds an element of stress to playing meaningful games and can translate to decision making under pressure not just pressure from the other team and coach. Of course it's about winning what else should it be about?

When you add the 20+ HS games plus the 30+ club games the GDA doesn't come close.

12:06 The crazy thing was Australia was more aggressive and moved the ball better this from a team that beat us 1 time in 28 games. Some can say it was just a matter of time I say we looked bad. ON a side note if Morgan and Dunn don't miss their shots people would say don't fix what's not broken we won the game.

It's called colleges wanting the best players since the ECNL didn't do as good as job as many want you to believe in developing our young ones. Lot's of good players that would have been just as good on any team. They the ECNL didn't take them to the next level and this is why the GDA stepped in.

Anonymous said...

12:29
i say they played badly as well.

Soccer is the game of "if's"; if this; if that. AU players missed shots as well.

IF they made shots, they would have beaten England. IF they made their shots, they would have beaten FR. IF they made their pk's they would have been Sweden. The past year has been nothing but excuses. Bottom line, changes are needed.

OR stop giving away the playbook.

Anonymous said...

12:29
and it's also add'l money outside of the athletic funds for international students. That's why colleges scoop them up. Same with NWSL, they get money for int'l players from their federation. There should be a cap. Develop the US kids to compete for US.

Anonymous said...

The US kids may be better off going internationally. People actually attend those games. Did you see the empty seats? This wasn't a 3:00 pm on a saturday when people have other things to do broadcast on Lifetime (where they can't fill the seats either, but it's because of the time, i think). It's a broadcast on ESPN. Not Go90. Not U-Tube. Mainsteam media.

Unfortunately, they don't have the star power to fill the seats right now.

Conversely, the guys game was packed. Star power.

Anonymous said...

1229 Its about when winning the games becomes important . To a player who takes the game seriously, every game is meaningful. Flying x miles to to some titular National event changes nothing. No idea what your GDA /HS comment has to do with anything .

Youth soccer should be about many things - enjoyment, improvement, friendships to a name a few.Differing degrees to different people.

Anonymous said...

Oceanside was great the last time we played there. Since they didn't have grass on the fields they just painted the dirt green. Was so awesome that it was too awesome! So awesome that they moved the event to Rockford! Tough to grow grass when you can't water it. The Polo fields are not much better. Spending the money to travel to play on dirt....priceless.

Anonymous said...

Oh no the grass at Rockford was plenty high and thick. They know how to grow it, just not how to cut and maintain it. Goats would do the trick.
Gotta love ECNL. Cha ching!

Anonymous said...

USYS results from today:
HBC out (good run);
MD Coyotes playing for nat'l championship. Go girls!

Anonymous said...

finally 3 pts. nice comeback US WNT. Whew!

Anonymous said...

Shame all you critics didnt get to spew rath at Jill Ellis today. I am sure you had plenty cued up before the great rally vs Brazil last night.

Anonymous said...

Did Brazil get as much out of Marta as we did out of Rapinoe?

Anonymous said...

10:58 If you saw the game and you saw my post a few days ago it's the same old story only this time our girls finished and all is well, right? They won a game in the last 15 minutes makes up for the 75 mins they played like crap, right? Because all that matters is we won. Youth Soccer or National team soccer It's the same story. Did you see who's in the UEFA Final 4? No Germany, No France, No Sweden everyone is getting better. We just over powered a bad back line in the final mins of the game and we are great again.

Anonymous said...

10:58 maybe you should read the Excelle post re the breakdown of the game. http://equalizersoccer.com/2017/07/31/lauletta-the-good-and-bad-of-a-wild-uswnt-comeback/

Despite the win, Ellis is criticized for trying to make players something they aren't and for her choices in line up. Who the heck is Taylor Smith??? She should have been playing vs. Russia, not top teams in the world.
And, putting Becky S as a holding mid? What? It's not developmental. It's professional. The article is very good.

Had the Braz GK not let the ball go out (although some say it wasn't; we saw the goal Brazil scored that wasn't counted so officials weren't the best), the corner doesn't happen and maybe US doesn't get the comeback. I am happy they did. I want them to succeed. There are still more questions than answers, though.

Pino, though. Amazing. And, was unselfish too. The Pino of old may have tried taking some of those shots instead of passing them. True teamwork.



Anonymous said...

1114 US soccer is measured game to game. WIn = great, Loss= terrible . HOW they play is irrelevant to the majority. Its just rooting for the good ole USA.

Anonymous said...

11:10
I think that Brazil did. Pinoe (sorry I misspelled as Pino above) got subbed out. Marta gave everything she had. She needs smarter complimentary players. She needs a Kelly O'Hara type who can pass the ball across the width of the field and put it on someone's foot. They don't have that, yet. But, they are much improved for sure. Brazil is a contender.

Anonymous said...

11:59
agreed. i must say, i love a great close game against competitive opponents over a butt kicking vs opponents that are not at the same level. And sometimes a loss is painful but still a good game. It was good to see the veterans take over and get a win. THEY needed it.

Anonymous said...

The defensive 1/3 hasn't played well without Solo. No one moves the pieces/directs like her.
And, no way some of those VERY risky back passes occur. Reminds me of my daughter's youth soccer team when kids are afraid to have the ball and do a back pass with someone running at the keeper already. Except this striker was running at top speed and not slowing down. What the heck?? Don't they know how fast Marta is? We do. They need to smarten up!

Anonymous said...

I disagree - I think the Alex Morgan substitution is what changed the game. I hate saying it. Press and Pino worked great together to even the game. Press should be starting over Morgan any day of the week much more technical.

Anonymous said...

Press was in vs AU. Didn't work. Press was in vs. England and FR; didn't work. It's not a one size fits all things.
I like Press alot, but like A Morgan, she missed her PK vs. Sweden, too. Sometimes she is connected and sometimes not. It happens.

Anonymous said...

Oh and the Ertz substitution was key as well. Allowed Becky S to drop back into her CB position.

Anonymous said...

Read the article above referenced. Thank you poster. And, had an opportunity of reading the comments, too. Good stuff. Just wondering, what is Ellis' fate? I felt her job was on the line yesterday. And, maybe like Tom S. it still is even after the win. The team doesn't seem to buy into her game time experiments.
I know they are going to give her some rope after winning WC, but that was really Pia's doing, mostly and determined veterans.
Thoughts?

Anonymous said...

Personally, I think Laura Harvey would do a fantastic job. Reign is always a contender.

Anonymous said...

12:39 How many mins did Press play?
Sorry but I am not a fan of Morgan, llyod, mewis or Pugh.

I would much rather see Press and Lavelle get more minutes to name a few.
Once we remove heath and Pino from the midfield we are done. We haven no players that understand the game like they do. I also like Horan and Long.

Anonymous said...

I love the way Ertz played, she seemed to not only bring skills to the game but order to the team. I did not see anyone take field general status until she stepped on the pitch. The younger girls that they are trying to showcase do not have the long term team mentality as the veterans like Rapinoe and Ertz, Loyd was almost non existent yesterday as well. Pugh will go the way of some of the men's side flash in the pans. She was a novelty like pulisic but does not have the same mentality. Smith in the back was horrible and trying to make a few runs showed she was not fit (right side cross going way wide). I think Jill was trying some things and was bailed out by the Press/Ertz sub. I honestly believe there are proabably a few girls on each or the 99/00 teams from this area that would have done as well if not better then some of the players last night. Bring back Hope!

Anonymous said...

Hope will never be back because US Soccer will not allow it. Negatively bring attention to zika, drive the wrong van, and talk smack to the coach and you are off the WNT 4-ever!

This is not the NFL where you can get a 3rd and 4th chance if you have star power. Beat or kill whoever you want and the fans will still love you. Sick...

Anonymous said...

Who knows? It would make for great theater if they let her (solo) return and I am sure she would be very remorseful. If they did, wow. The seats would be filled for it. THAT would be the greatest US WNT comeback.

Anonymous said...

She did get a 3rd and 4th chance. She got a 5th and 6th too! She will never be back.

This is good lesson to our girls on how to be a teammate and that coachability is very important. Some may call it being the coaches "favorite" but politics plays into everything. Sometimes the best is not worth the trouble they bring into the locker room. College coaches look at personality and not just skill. Parents play a big part too. Just look at the trouble Big Baller is causing.

Anonymous said...

Ok so I'll say it...and I'm male...
If she were a man, she'd be playing.
Someone referenced NFL scumbags playing didn't they? Of course it's huge money and marketing.
If Solo came back, you'd get viewership and attendance just bc of the drama. We are a sick society.

Anonymous said...

true. and soccer tries to hold itself out as the angelic sport. Hardly.

Anonymous said...

Big Baller is causing a lot of problems. Didn't affect his kid's marketability did it? Because he's a guy. Did you read Abby's book? She was a mess during her playing days. USSF didn't remove. And, i can't imagine there aren't others.
Would love to see the comeback of Solo. And her speaking about her fall from grace and getting it back. That's a good lesson, too.

Anonymous said...

From yesterday

Australia's victory over the US shows 11:14's point - that other nations are doing a great job with their programs.

Says nothing negative of the US. We lost the game. We dont win every game - that is not the current women's international soccer climate, as much as it appears you desire it/need it to be.

Anonymous said...

BBB is an awful comparison. Solo's livelihood is/was linked to the USSF. They call ALL the shots The diff between a WC players earnings and a no contracted NWSL player is 60k> 400k+ . Solo fell foul of politics at a time teh USSF felt her skilss were eroding. No longer worth the trouble to them. let alone the "influence" on teen girls.

Male pro sports are marketing to males who often celebrate rebellious behavior. The like the anti- hero.

If Solo was male and still playing at the required level, she would absolutely still get selected. Even before the Naeher meltdown vs Brazil, I thought Solo would still be the best GK option they have.

Anonymous said...

Casey Murphy on the way......

Anonymous said...

Was the 2000 academy PAC team that just played in their own summer tournament the base for the DA? If so, wow... they struggled against travel level teams.

Anonymous said...

What about a comparison between Solo and Rapinoe for conduct. Kaepernick found it hard to catch on after his stunts but it looks like Rapinoe is welcomed back into US soccer circles. Hope like Abby had a rough time growing up, just like other male athletes who run afoul of the system. I am starting to bekieve that there is a sub-culture among athletes. You have the players that came up through a caring family that encourages that make it based on hard work and effort and others who come up with an edginess that plays well on the field but turns to aggression and lack of common sense off. I even see this on youth teams. Trying to keep kids from broken families on the field but eventually circumstances become too difficult and hard decisions need to be made.

Anonymous said...

115 Cliched and over thought. Ellis thinks Rapinoe can still play and based on Brazil game, she can. NFL dont think Kap is worth the risk and race/sexuality plays into it as well.

The rest of your theories are a bit too much

Anonymous said...

12:08
Casey is very good. On her way, possibly. Time will tell. Just because you are 6 feet tall doesn't mean you get low fast. Or have explosiveness off of your line. And more. She needs to be successful in the Youth groups first. Hasn't happened. U20's not good.

Anonymous said...

1:30
Ellis didn't think Rapinoe could play until she started performing in NWSL. And last summer Olympics, she didn't do very well at all. If Press and A Morgan make their PK's, Solo is still on the team.

Anonymous said...

http://www.fifa.com/u20womensworldcup/awards/index.html

Yes, US finished fourth in U20 WC last year. It was not a good WC year for YNT. Didn't 18's and 19's recently struggle too in their friendlies?

Anonymous said...

So a GK cant progress levels if the team doesnt win Cups, 1:40?

Selection to USWNT is not just off of performance in lower level international events, I am sure you know

Other GK also in contention of course.

Anonymous said...

12:44 are you asking if they are the basis for U18/19 team?
If so, I hear they didn't have many upper classmen giving up school and many 16/17 will play up

Anonymous said...

2:03
are you with PDA or Rutgers? Why are you trying to advance this one kid when there are others as well in the pipeline or being evaluated? she is very good. and when you have the perceived best around you, you should do well. didn't happen.

Anonymous said...

1:30 PM

I think your theories are a bit much race/sexuality??? These cards are played too often as an excuse for what should be universally unaccepted behavior.

Anonymous said...

so you dont think Kaps race has anything to do with the backlash and you dont think Pinoe being gay in a sport that really supports that is an issue. ok ? I guess I see it differently. No one is playing the card as an excuse for any behavior. Simply raising factors that shaped peoples reactions to it. Kap is struggling to find a team as worse players are signed. Rapinoe was being heralded as a hero 2 days ago. She kneeld, she was vilified for accepting a spot @ OG 16 when recovering from ACL issues and its all forgotten already.

Think you missed the point.

Anonymous said...

Yes asking if that 2000 academy team that showed poorly in Lancaster is the 00/99 academy team. Because it will be hard to watch if it is.

Anonymous said...

3:32
all of the issues aside, Kap was not very good in his final performance with the 49er's and Rapinoe as showed in NWSL she is still relevant. She was off the roster for a time because she wasn't performing. One showed improved as far as skills and the other hasn't. And minus her from the last WNT game, US loses, badly. And, I didn't agree with either one of them kneeling vs. the flag that my family members and many others have died protecting. Hero status; no. Highly skilled and dynamic soccer player; absolutely.

Anonymous said...

3:32 PM

I think you are right in me missing the point somewhat. Your perspective is Rapinoe gets a pass for a) being in an identified accepted group in the sport and b) having recovered from injury to be a contributor while Kap's skills are sub par and he can use the excuse of color as a factor (when it really isn't). Kap took a knee to support BLM Rapinoe took a knee for attention.

Anonymous said...

232

What the hell are you talking about? Murphy has played fine for the US

Anonymous said...

I didn't bring up her name. Some one posted above, but in support of a recent poster -
WC U20's 1-2 loss vs. Korea;
0-1 loss vs. Japan and
OWN goal vs. Ghana in 1-1 draw WC U20.

Someone said work to be done. Seems logical.

Anonymous said...

got it. as someone said she did fine despite the losses. however, the own goal was credited to her so her own goal (not a field player). Not sure what happened there.

Anonymous said...

Was curious so checked a soccer report:
".. in the 20th minute, Ghana managed to force an own-goal after Ernestina Abambila lobbed a ball into the box that U.S. goalkeeper Casey Murphy fumbled into the net."

yikes.

Anonymous said...

357 you are lost. The perception of both was shaped by who they are and what they have done. At the teim Rapinoe was injured. No one stopped her from playing her way back to full fitness and now contributing. Kap has been denied access to the game in spite of being a lot better than other players who have signed. Was Ryan Fitpatricks 2016 season as a Jet worthy of another contract? he has one.

The public perception of both players gave one a chance to play their way back to relvance and the other is being asked to beg tofor a chance

Its not about where they are now, its about the sports they play, the attention they have and the risk of letting them play on. Rapinoe is in a sport that allows that. Kap is in one that may not take the risk. Hinkle left the WNT for personal reasons, has she been blackballed? No.

you are expressing your views on what they did, Im just rationalizing how they were treated.. I have no view on what they did. they both expressed opinions.

Anonymous said...

Not really worth discussing further but Casey Murphy played exceptionally well vs Korea and vs Japan. Her only 2 losses for the year, I believe (9-2-1)

The gaffe vs Ghana was glaring, yes.

Work to be done?

That goes for any player, any level.

I dont yet have an opinion on Murphy vs Heinsohn, Campbell, Ivory, Seabert and the rest. Just like our prospects beyond Naher, Harris moving forward.

Anonymous said...

3:39
As I said, not many of players you saw that you feel are terrible will be there.
you seem worried about watching this team. Perhaps don't watch?
The 00/99 GDA team will be a mix of 02/01/00/99 "existing" academy players plus new players added from other clubs.
Let it play out a couple years...

Anonymous said...

My kid will have to play against them. Don't think I said the kids were terrible, because I don't even know the individual kids, but the fact is they did not get respectable results against local travel teams. Bods poorly for the upcoming DA season. Sadly apparently won't be much of a development opportunity for either teams.

USSF should have only picked clubs with established girls programs. Over the past 5 or more years, PAC let their girls programs wallow in, at best, mediocrity. Then they toss them to the wolves. Should have made them prove their ability to field competitive teams before inviting them to the big stage. Will give the DA a bad name. The DA does pro-rel so would have been an opportunity for CPs developmental club to join after they developed the program.

Agree in a few years things might change. They need great coaches and some success to keep kids in Central PA and maybe even draw from western suburbs of Philly and northern MD. Potential there but looks like in the short term going to be ugly.

Anonymous said...

Doesn't sound promising. Looks like 8-0 games will be common.Will they bring up the best 01/02s rotate through the 01/02 roster to play up, or use the empty roster spots with the 99/00 as place holders for the bubble 01/02s for the following year? If they aren't the best 01/02s it might be really bad. But with the sub/start rules it gives the the other teams a good opportunity to start and play the bottom of the roster. If I was the USSF I would have started slower with a great product. Instead they will have a lot of growing pains and PAC will probably be a good example of them.

Anonymous said...

I think you are assuming that the other GDA teams will be good.

Anonymous said...

So the feeling here is that there will be '02s playing '99/'00 Academy soccer?

Give me a break.

Anonymous said...

its possible,. I dont see GDA clubs weakening younger teams to do that though. Unless of course USSF or parental pressure is applied.

Anonymous said...

There will be outstanding DA teams and there will be horrible DA teams. The standard deviation will be much higher in the DA than it was last year in the ECNL. The outstanding teams will largely be the old top ECNL teams, The top USYSA teams (cup gold, legends etc) will add quality. The best teams in the country will be DA teams. They unfortunately will lack the developmental opportunity that playing "meaningful games" the mission of the DA would have provided since many games will not be meaningful.

Unfortunately the net result of this move by the USSF will be a huge variability in quality among teams. Huge goal differentials, as were the routine early in the ECNL, will occur. Even the ECNL quality will be more spotty. Bigger GD will again likely return. The new clubs should be a positive add however for the most part they were well thought out and will add some quality to the ECNL to partially even out that which will be lost to the DA.

Points of support: The EMSC and Alby ECNL teams will suffer with kids moving to DA. World class the same. The best players and the best teams won't be ECNL any more. The DA teams from LI will be OK as the ECNL teams were largely OK. The new CT DA team will be terrible starting like PAC with a boys program and not much in the way of girls. Cedar stars has a lot of potential being funded. Top teams this past year- Michigan hawks are all going to play DA. The Colorado team DA. etc. PDA has a lot of private school kids and are largely 2018. Not sure beyond their keeper who wants to stay in the national eye whether most will play ECNL. There is no one left in the USYSA world. either the ECNL or DA gobbled up all the decent non ECNL clubs of this year. From Pittsburgh, to Nebraska to upstate NY to California they are all accounted for. This year is a cluster. The PAC -50 GD will likely tell the tale.

Anonymous said...

I heard there are 01s on penn fusion filling roster spots that couldn't be filled with top 00/99s. One was one of the best 01s at CFC. SO maybe they are just full filling the USSF directive to encourage kids to "play up"?

Anonymous said...

1048 Its interesting that re PDA the one player, according to you, in the National eye is a GK. What does that say about the mighty PDA and its fantastic training?

Anonymous said...

That's she is going to Rutgers.

Anonymous said...

148 Good one.

Anonymous said...

It says that there is one 2000 PDA player regularly invited to YNT camps. That's one more than the vast majority of clubs in the country

Anonymous said...

As the vast majority does not have their director of coaching on board of ECNL. So yes you are correct. Hence the reason GDA was formed.

Anonymous said...

The ECNL has nothing to do with YNT selection. In fact the USSF set up the DA to counter its power

Anonymous said...

http://www.ussoccer.com/stories/2017/08/01/21/58/20170801-news-u18wnt-will-come-together-in-fairfax-virginia-for-28-player-training-camp?t=1&cn=ZmxleGlibGVfcmVjcw%3D%3D&refsrc=email&iid=19f476630e424bf288ee47b0e4e13410&fl=2&uid=1073534294&nid=244%20272699400

Anonymous said...

356 Im confused. You say the ECNL had no NT power, but the USSF set up GDA to counter it? 3 yrs ago in this age group PDA had 4 or 5 kids consistently in YNT programming. 2017 no teams in the latter stages of the ECNL events , and a GK as the national representative. How so? best Club, best coaching., best league.

What happened ?

Anonymous said...

Yes and that is coming down the pike not currently in place. Thank goodness.
And please, ECNL has no input re selection. Right? Your giving us the mushroom treatment. Keeping us in the dark and feeding us a lot of sh@t. I'm not naive, but maybe you are.

Anonymous said...

4:04
Exactly! The Rutgers comment has merit it seems.

Anonymous said...

Even in younger YNT group PDA kid picked happens to be commited to Rutgers, too.

Anonymous said...

But NO influence. hahaha GDA on the way.

Anonymous said...

404
Obvious answer is not the best players...
YNT is player centric not club centric although that may now change that the war has been declared. Only GDA kids going to national camps according to the NWSL leadership although not sure how reliable that info is. Again one player from a club in a single age group is remarkable.
The politics are in Colorado. April Kater runs the whole youth show. She can get any kid in she wants to since she is basically the boss of all of the youth national team coaches. If they want to keep their cushy full time job, then they do what she says.
Additional politics are related to "assistant" coaches at each age group. The u18 assistants were from Stars (not any more and oh surprise no stars kids)The big question is how are the Cleveland internationals now connected?

Anonymous said...

Do you truly think this is GDA influence when GDA hasn't started? I don't think that has started yet. I think the GDA influence starts now.

Anonymous said...

Continuing from 5:04
i think this was the final political blast across the bow for ECNL.

Anonymous said...

457 Check Kerri Sarvers resume ;) April K starts the whole thing off and has massive influence. She is very pro Colorado and West Coast. Adil is - Hawks. JD- Stars. Recently they had Lesli Gallimore on hte Aussie tour - UW coach. 2 UW players on the team ;)

The East Coast is/was repped by JD who is on the ECNL board and the ECNL rep for this area. His partners on the board are...PDA, M O'N - HC at Rutgers) There is little separation of duty. It blows my mind that these Clubs can decide who can and cannot be ECNL and GDA whilst retaining the ability to do both themselves. They can decide who they choose to favor based on the impact to them. The recent id2/ National event- case in point. No kids from certain clubs. in the NE. How is that possible ?

I love the ECNL has no influence comment. Its not the letters, its the individuals. Many of these folks have fingers in many pies. Look at Lavers.

Anonymous said...

It is the letters. NCAA how can they allow this to happen, too?

Anonymous said...

4;57
okay so, Kerri S was Internationals DOC. Dots connected. txs 8:17

Holy crap i signed on to find out if age group blogs moved and saw all of this. it's reality soccer tv by way of our wallets.

Anonymous said...

what is the saying? absolute power corrupts absolutely.
indeed.

Anonymous said...

OMG K Sarver "assistant coach for the u18 YNT listed in her freaking bio. Then kids magically show up to camp from a team that didn't even make the showcase level????
God is this whole thing corrupt. No wonder we suck internationally.

Anonymous said...

806 ..Coaches are always going to initially favor the kids they know. They may also want to benchmark other kids vs kids they know. As a country, we do not do enough to broaden the searches becasue the US is so big. I think the spend ratio between scouting and camps/international trips is wrong. GDA may address the scouting issue a bit.

The thing you have to remember is they are all good players. There are a handful of really elite ones who stand out in that company and then you can honestly pick any one of 150 kids. The difference is marginal. There are a couple of kids I think are elite who have a legitimate beef as to why they do not get selected more often.

My final point is we select the same kids too often. The USSF are confused as to the role they play. I dont think they should be trying to coach/train players tactically as much as they do. They should be looking to identify elite talent and allow the CLUBS to continue to develop it against a plan. That means you should be constantly bringing in NEW kids to get a look at for a week, We should not be tying to build a U-18 team, but a diverse pool of U-18 talent that we can keep an eye on for the future. It seems subtle, but I think its a big issue. USSF seem to promote continuity and tactics for these teams as if they are going to be playing that way forever. They wont. Tactical and technical versatility is a huge asset to any player. I understand it when prepping for a world cup, but i would only go into team mode 6 months before the event.

Bottom line is, the GDA could fix a lot of these issues, but I think its a reflection on those in charge of the USSF that we have such fundamental issues. I dont see it changing much unless the leadership does.

Anonymous said...

2 forwards from a team that didn't qualify for ECNL post season much less Champions league at any level?

Anonymous said...

928 I dont get your point. Are you suggesting that YNTs should be full of players from CL teams/?

Anonymous said...

not the other poster, but i think the poster is saying the opposite that the internationals selection may be based on politics.

Anonymous said...

I am saying what team with two true YNT quality players would end up in the very bottom of the ECNL without qualifying for post season. Ah and also a ynt defender.

Anonymous said...

1006 I dont disagree, but there is no accountability in the current regime. There are loads of examples.

BJ Snow did not get it right @ U17WC in spite of 2 cycles and yet he is now in charge of talent ID and a spot coach for several YNTs . The players he selected are all still heavily involved in YNTs at some level. So no one paid any price for not getting out of the group. 4 of the players from that team have been in camp with the Full team.

I could go on, but no point really.

This has been the pattern and we will see if the GDA changes it. For it to change, there needs to be real leadership and accountability. I dont see any evidence of that in the current set up

Anonymous said...

Play internationally. More money; more prestige (other countries actually like soccer) and great experience.

Anonymous said...

1100 more money and prestige for who ?

Anonymous said...

10:41

Maybe they like BJ Snow for the same reasons they have always liked him.

Anonymous said...

1127 please elaborate

Anonymous said...

some of the international teams. some of the girls I know that played internationally were paid more than the minimum of NWSL and they get people at the games. not going to name teams or names. but it's there.

Anonymous said...

1147 I thought we were talking Youth teams

Anonymous said...

we are but responding to 11:11 based on prior post.

Anonymous said...

thats why I asked the OP what he/ she meant. Ty for clarifying . I now understand what they meant

Anonymous said...

Elaborate on what? The insinuation is that Snow should get the AXE from anything associated with WNT play. I say they LIKE what he brings and wouldn't just discard him over a lost tournament. Capiche?

Anonymous said...

oh yes I capiche, except its 2 cycles and there are many people cast aside for far less. the THEY you refer to is probably his old boss Jill Ellis.

Discard over a tournament, thats funny. Go talk to some of the kids who played for him and they will tell you they had no idea what they were supposed to be trying to do in attack. We just bypassed MF and played get it to Sanchez soccer. I hear from Ellis how technical and how good Pinto and Howell are ...they barely touched the ball under BJ. I hear that Smith is a huge prospect at striker .. bench player for BJ. Often played behind a 14 yr old.

He is in the results business and in 2 cycles and 4 years he did nothing. did worse the second time. At what point do his results trump the personal relationship ? Answer never, because that is how this administration runs things. Nepotism rules the roost. When the youth assistants see the bosses doing ti, they follow suit.

Capiche ?

Anonymous said...

You know he was re-assigned, right?

Anonymous said...

he was promoted to u23 coach and head "talent scout"

Anonymous said...

He should run for elected office. Sounds like he is perfect for the job. No results, still have a job and get promotion.
Oh the wheels on the bus go around and around, around and around.

Anonymous said...

Yeah, should have pounded England I guess.....

heh

Anonymous said...

Like Netherlands did today?

Anonymous said...

I dont know - just sounds like they are busting on Snow for playing England to a U23 tie and losing first place on the goal differential. Nothing to do with Netherlands,

Anonymous said...

99/00 gda from pda will be the exact same gunner team from a year ago that won u-16 national championship: With the same coach returning. This team has very good chance of.of winning national gda championship

Anonymous said...

Is there such a thing?

Anonymous said...

Okay. don't want to get into a GDA thing on the board. But, because they did not advance in ECNL??? I don't get it. Btw - other teams have kids from 99 team that didn't have beforehand either. Don't overlook other VERY GOOD GDA teams as well.

It's not political this time around.

Anonymous said...

PDA have done an amazing job of convincing everyone thy are the best at everything. Even after the worst year they have ever had as a Club in terms of post season play, they still have people telling you they are the favorites to win an event in a GDA that has not even started. An event where we dont even know the composition of the other teams.

Anonymous said...

yep, hilarious.
convincing?? hahaha trying to convince is more like it.

Anonymous said...

If you are on the top or even second from top PDA team than you are set to play in college. Really good chance at D1 or other level with some money to go along with it. Just look at their commit picture every year. I just feel bad for the lower teams who pay the same$$.

Anonymous said...

Please. I know PDA kids that transferred due to no playing time. I am not throwing stones. This happens with others too.
They are a good organization and there are others as well including some not as expensive. Remember, it's not where you start, it's where and how you finish.

Anonymous said...

255 Agreed. The pint was that the perception of PDA and its dominance is based on history that has changed a lot over the last 5 years. Its a very diluted product now. PDA has lost an NT player to Cedar Stars !! That would never happen 5 ears ago. In fact I think at this age , Cedar Stars have s many recent YNT call ups as PDA do.

Anonymous said...

Is the kid who went to Cedar stars the one that went matchfit->PDA->cedarstars? If so not a national player anymire. Overhyped and dad...

Anonymous said...

They all suddenly have flaws when they leave. It's a strange coincidence

Anonymous said...

How is that handled outside the cult? Are they shunned like Amish that leave the community? #don't talk to the free thinker

Anonymous said...

312

Cedar is STILL looking for academy players

PDA was done many many moons ago and cut some real good players

Anonymous said...

PDA only invited a few select players to their tryouts and completely ignored other players in the club. Our daughter was put on a field where no clipboards could be seen because the roster was pre-decided. Other PDA kids on her team were told to NOT even show up. It wasn't that they cut good players but they didn't even look at them. Our daughter is committed (NO HELP FROM PDA) and is just tired of the political crap. We plan to enjoy HS soccer!!! PDA is not the powerhouse of old and will continue to sink. We only ever asked for honesty and got none. I can't wait to move on after next year...

Anonymous said...

7:14 AM

am curious, First of all I am South West of PDA in the PA area. Sounds like Similar demographics. My question is based on what looks like similar behaviors with a lot of the supposed "Better Clubs". Who is driving the decisions? Is it parent relationships as far as Parents with connections to Colleges, Parents with Money or just personality? I have seen and my daughter has fell victim to what appears to be nepotism or not being on the right friends list. Now you can say it's sour grapes but her abilities have been recognized outside of the club and when we moved on her abilities have been respected and she has been rewarded (committed this summer). One interesting aspect is that when she talked with two local college coaches they asked why she did not respond to them. When she asked what they meant they indicated that they reached out to her club coach asking if she was looking at their schools, information we never received. It was interesting that she was performing very well and for no reason the club coach benched her and neither he nor the DOC would give a reason. The only thing we could see from the sidelines was a new player who was a '17 was not getting any looks, the parents had a few connections (daughter cut from another ECNL team) and my daughter wound up seeing very limited playing time. The team actually suffered posting a losing record the remainder of the year. We along with a few other players wound up leaving the team and each girl have found success this past year. I guess things happen for a reason but it is interesting to see the things that go on that are not really equitable.

Anonymous said...

809 No disrespect, but your daughter sounds like a solid middle of the roster player. Similar to the majority. Its players like this who get screwed becasue its purely subjective as to their value and impact relative to others. These are exactly the players who get manipulated and ripped off by the system. The sell you on this vision that you need them ( The Clubs/ Coaches) and then control information flow to make whatever case that suits their agenda.

They cant do that to the very best players and its why that method works . Its really sad, but its how you maintain the illusion of adding value.

Congratulations on escaping a bad situation. Your story is in no way unique

Anonymous said...

The Coach and DOC want to send as many kids possible to play at the next level. This helps them recruit younger players into their "proven" system. However, they take care of their prime candidates first. It is a business where they do what is best for themselves and not you.

There are many advantages in blocking a certain player and steering the college coach to another. The main reason is because they don't want to hurt any relationship with a college over a difficult player or family. Also, the other player is just better in "their" opinion. They want the College to keep coming back to drink from the same well.

It is very hard for a player to take an honest assessment of their own skill level, soccer IQ, or coachability. Parents also don't see fault in their own actions that hurt a players chances.

College soccer is very different than Club soccer. If two players are almost equal they take personality over ability every time. Long bus rides, hotels, locker rooms, and dinners are not fun with a difficult person.

This is the real world where not everyone gets a trophy.


Anonymous said...

1058 Strange post. It sounds like you either know about the situation described and have taken a side or you are speculating. There are difficult people in all walks of life and relationships drive much of this, but honesty and openness makes it easier. If you dnt get straight answers form a club or coach you need to get out.

I disagree. it is very easy to get honest assessment as long as the message is consistent. What tends to happen is everyone is great until suddenly they aren't . Parents are misled to serve a purpose and then dumped once alternatives are available.

its a bit like the whole HS waiver thing for GDA. What si the pitch to the players at the bottom of the roster who will be impacted by waivers?

Bottom line is, this is a business without much in the way of rules and adults tend to do what they think is best for their pockets.

Anonymous said...

7:14
I have heard many not very flattering things about PDA in the past couple of years from people on the inside. Good luck in high school and beyond.

Anonymous said...

10:58
the reality of the situation is that the business of club soccer is to help kids who desire to play in college or beyond do so. so for an uncommitted kid who graduated this year to get playing time so colleges could see her unfortunately happens in most of the clubs records notwithstanding. now your child also needed assistance so there should have been equity to the playing time.

if your kid committed and is happy then it all worked out in the end. best of luck.

Anonymous said...

PDA are a great club, ther is no doubt,. That said, they still have the same issues that every other club has. The same conflicts , the same unhappy parents, the same politics. The reason you hear less about it is because they are big enough and powerful enough for it to be ignored as noise and parents buy into the notion that they are a powerhouse for College placement. They are, but its chicken and egg.

An elite player doe snot need PDA, quite the opposite. PDA need to produce/attract a few every year or for all the hoopla they are just another club. More and more elite players know that they are in the drivers seat with regard to club soccer and they are starting to play where it is most convenient for them and where they can strike the best deal,

It is noteworthy just how many kids are committing to Rutgers so early. Each to their own but if I had Colleges calling me in 9th grade, im not sure I would jump at Rutgers before testing the water with others.

Anonymous said...

7:14
are you staying w/PDA despite the horrible treatment? send the message by leaving and taking others as well.

Anonymous said...

11:59
those that commit to Rutgers then have the political advantage with the club. Now that GDA is running the show, maybe not so much.
PDA boys will benefit from ECNL political influence, now.

As another poster noted, i have been surprised that another DI college hasn't expressed outrage with NCAA.

Anonymous said...

Where are the records from ECNL last year? They have been taken down already. Didn't we pay for this so why are we not able to see this information re final standings, etc.?

Anonymous said...

934 surely everyone is looking for Academy players given most seem to think the GDA will be terrible and the ECNL will continue to be where the best players and competition is.

Anonymous said...

Everyone? no. and that's not what I am hearing from college coaches either.
are you not reading the above, ECNL is a cesspool of politics and money.

Anonymous said...

12:07,

They did the same thing last year when they changed platforms. I thought last year was another "endorsement" win for the ECNL in getting additional $$ for moving platforms. This year may just be a maintenance thing and the history (back to last year) may re-appear once all team info is loaded for the 2017/2018 season. You may want to reach out to the ECNL and see if they can provide it (maybe for a fee).

Anonymous said...

11:09
what is the pitch with the GDA and hs waivers? on my kid's team, only 1 kid took the waiver. and not an impact player at this time considering the other spots that are filled.

Anonymous said...

The main thing is the training with the DA. It is 4-5 times per week and they have goal keeper trainers as well. So if the training is what you are looking for and you should be, this is it. And it is no cost. We know of one girl who is in at Cedar Stars DA, 2000 girl, senior in hs. She will begin training with them soon and also do HS from what I understand when she can.

Anonymous said...

12:43 - it's just continuing evidence of how little they actually value the paying customers. This was a league for the players. It's certainly derailed from that (facilities questionable, refs questionable, not every team held accountable similarly, disappearing standings and scores, etc.).

Anonymous said...

10:58

You are way off. I mean your overview of the process is pretty spot on, in reality there are so many other factors that cannot be controlled. But Sometimes it is the compliant amicable players that get dropped through the cracks and the ones with the belligerent and loudmouth parents have the leverage. You commented broadly on my specific situation that you know nothing about. The scenario included a coach that totally destroyed the confidence of a team that was together for a long time to appease a few newcomers that could benefit him personally. This was his third or fourth team in 3 years, and bounced between merged clubs and teams. There were rumors and speculation that went un reported because he held a few chips in his hands. The loss of the 5 players brought up the issues bit too late for some. Now I realize that this may in fact be a pre-cursor for college as coaches ego trips are longer than a trip to the moon and back, but putting that type of person at u16 is a disservice to everyone.

Anonymous said...

12:55 when hs season begins she will not be able to participate in GDA. That is what we have been told. If US Soccer gets wind of it and she plays in any GDA games, those USDA games will be forfeited.

Anonymous said...

@12:55 how no cost? that's great.

Anonymous said...

-12:43 if it was maintenance shouldn't they have a note about it. and maintenance isn't the entire summer. this is classic ECNL anymore. it's my ball and I'm keeping it.
shame. it was great for a period of time.

Anonymous said...

1:38
BUYER BEWARE, I guess they do not see the relevance in having historical data if it does not support their narrative. I wonder if college coaches would like to have the information available to determine the track record of players from u-14 forward. I am thinking that taking down the previous year's data somewhat forces coaches to show up. For the parents of younger players it may be a good idea to start screen capping your players stats so you have something to provide going forward. It almost makes the other pay for platforms like TDS more reputable??? At least hey have some type of historical data.

Anonymous said...

Email Christian Lavers. Im sure he will fix it for you. My experience is the ECNL are a cartel that do things for a reason. . The reason is not always whats best for the players.

Anonymous said...

ECNL stats are not reliable. Many clubs dont even post them

Anonymous said...

College Coaches do not give a crap about your ECNL team record. They only care about the player. Go ask a scout who is watching a showcase game what the score is. They will have no clue because they just don't care.

I was told that by two different college coaches.

Anonymous said...

DA is no cost to the player. She did mention she was playing hs as well. Maybe not playing DA matches till winter/spring after hs is over. unless waiver was an option for this DI player. I would think if the DA really wants a player and the player insists on playing HS they will figure it out? But I am not really sure. I believe it is free tuition? can someone else confirm what exactly is Free? Are uniforms provided? Is any travel covered food?

Anonymous said...

GDA in general is NOT no cost. Cedar Stars is.

Anonymous said...

12:59

I commented broadly an a broad topic.

I know nothing of your specific situation. Or do I? Wink Wink...

Anyway, it does appear that my comments upset you so maybe they hit too close to home.

Anonymous said...

so 2:35's comments only relate to CSA. Got it.

Anonymous said...

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/young-mother-injured-brawl-nc-youth-soccer-game-article-1.3393778

Anonymous said...

2:35
prior comment about hs and forfeiting games is related to DI committed kids as well.

Anonymous said...

read that story. A 15 yr old being charged with assault over a bad call. Out of control.

Anonymous said...

3:10
who cares? The other poster didn't make it personal. You did. And you wonder why your kid was benched. Look in the mirror.

Anonymous said...

2:32 well i disagree. i guess it depends on the scout and what they were watching. Had an ACC coach at a showcase as me the final score of one game as he saw my club hat. He had to leave after 1st half. So, maybe for some, the score does matter.

Most sites have this stuff for historical purposes. NPL, GotSoccer and other various tournament sites. This isn't about stats, it's about scores and rosters. It's bullcrap that the paying customers can't access the information for whatever reason.

Anonymous said...

2;35 & 5:43
i heard as well re forfeiting USDA games if active hs player is in them DI, YNT, it doesn't matter. don't be silly folks. don't put your club team in jeopardy.

Anonymous said...

3:10,

Wink Wink... do you do finger guns too? Sounds like your the parent that either stands as close to the midfield line as possible to egg on the other team, or actually parades up and down the sidelines following your daughter on the field. Hey maybe you are familiar with the situation, I was pretty specific except for naming names. Here's another hint, the one decent coach from that season is the only one left at the club coaching in the girls program. A few left for another PA club, one to coach boys and the others have not popped up anywhere yet.

Anonymous said...

Finger guns?? Hilarious. Eggs on other team? That's not cool.
You guys need to have a finger gun duel somewhere. Proving grounds maybe?

Anonymous said...

This is enticing stuff. I do thumbs up? Can I get in on this? I'm bring my posse as well, mr. whistle and mrs. call out the refs. This is West Side Story; soccer style. Keep us posted.

Anonymous said...

It would be more convenient if the meeting place were Council Rock North, bang bang. It would have also been more convenient for everyone if things were done the right way from start so people wouldn’t have to be driving all over the place. In 2017 two players left for PA Strikers, one to Continental another to Match Fit. Three are at PDA, but some departures occurred the year before. It’s the case with the younger teams now, maybe even worse.

Anonymous said...

Could we meet in the middle, I guess that would be in Philly correct? It was a 3-4 team merry go round and continues to be. It will be interesting to see the 2017-2018 rosters for the 00/99 age group once they are finalized.

Anonymous said...

Sadly, looks like that story may work with quite a few teams. i know a number of kids that went through that system and are doing quite well. hopefully they work it out.

my daughter's former team was a horror show with a coach or two and we are not in your area. And, I know of others. it's evidence of the peaks and valleys of club soccer. But, I don't post anything about her former team and it was a doosie. Chalk it up to a learning experience and wish them well; just not on my dime.

Anonymous said...

3:59 but you left right? so why do you care? maybe others will have a better experience. wish for that. and, unfortunately, having to drive all over is our lives; many of us.
if you were able to play close to you for a good amount of time, then that's a good thing. many have had bad experiences. some worse than others, but if you and your kid are better than you were, then that is all that matters. just saying...

Anonymous said...

For me it is the hindsight thing. There is a lot invested in time and money. Our experience was not unique and it is good to know that. Between the connections, crazy parents and lackluster coaches with accents it because a mine field to navigate at times. At u15 my daughter was asked to play for two teams, one ecnl and the other a top team based on points. I thought I knew which was the better way to go especially with the big debate about GS points not really mattering. Looking back we probably should have made the other choice. Because that is where we wound up @u17. Along with a few other really good players.

Anonymous said...

http://highschoolsports.pennlive.com/news/article/-5712683271878673545/all-american-rachael-dorwart-brice-and-jamie-mcinroy-will-pass-on-senior-girls-soccer-season-at-cumberland-valley/

Should be an interesting High School Soccer season ?!?

Anonymous said...

Everything I read/see points to the GDA taking a big bite out of HS and ECNL play. The impact on teams when you remove 1 or 2 key players is going to be huge.

Those who deny it are not paying attention.

Anonymous said...

7:55
interesting. our family took the other route. were on a high level team based on GSP points (and you are correct, they really, really don't matter) and left it. Had reach outs to go to another for free but went the ECNL route. It was the way to go for us. Within weeks, we had multiple coaches reaching out to our club for interest. prior to being in ECNL, to the best of my knowledge anyway, they hadn't reached out before.
i guess the biggest hurdle for you was the coach who didn't share information. Glad it all worked out!

Anonymous said...

Yep 9:22, denial isn't a river in Egypt. :)

Anonymous said...

These kids should have played high school and enjoyed it. Well at least Dorwart has a chance to make it to national team. The other 2 were by passed for another kid on the same team to get the USSF nod this week. Obviously the GDA ID "advantage" won't impact them. They are wasting their time in the GDA. Really a couple of months of high school is going to impact their success in college. Most likely not. probably delusion parents thinking they are going to make the national team. Isn't that what they promised all these DA kids when they made them sacrifice the community experience?

Anonymous said...

who are you to tell them what to do? There are many kids who would prefer to train yr round with like minded players than play HS. Good luck to them. If a player thinks that is going to make them better, then I applaud. If kids want to play HS, Im all for that as well.

The anti GDA folks who claim that nothing short of a place on the Full NT renders GDA a waste are quite frankly stupid.

Anonymous said...

Hey, Their names are in the paper. I also have to wonder if twins and or siblings always have the same talent, I guess genes plays a role but I find it interesting when I see sisters on the same team. Back in the day one of my son's teams had a great goalie. The parents petitioned to have their younger son on the team as well, a year younger and a mile further down in talent. It caused a lot of issues with the team dynamics as playing time for little brother was not what the parents wanted, eventually they pulled both kids and went elsewhere, the team actually improved.

Anonymous said...

Amazing comments...
According to article, the college coaches recommended playing GDA. End of story!
Why do you parents have to throw stones?
Childish, jealous perhaps?

Anonymous said...

11:07
why is it your concern?

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