I was being slightly facetious but understand your point. Frankly I don't believe any youth soccer player needs to be recruited most if not all know where to go for the most competitive experience in their geographic region. I also agree that US soccer overemphasis (speed) and to some degree size over technical ability but the reality is at the U15 level and higher most impact players are pretty technical. I don't blame the system the way it is currently set up, I blame the coaches that can't teach a possession style game, and a country that frankly doesn't understand soccer. I believe the current roster on the U20 team (or at least most) could play that style if a coach forced it on them. They play to speed and are direct. Not players fault its the coaches.
I read an article on the U-20 wake up call. In the comments, I read this quote and it couldn't be more true, "US Soccer sold out the youth for their friends in the game."Yep, it is happening right in front of us.
You can absolutely teach the possession game to anyone. Heck, I was was in my late 20's when I learned to actually play it. I always knew the right way THE GAME was played but I never had coach or team strive for it. WINNING was too important.You can teach THE GAME but you have to have patience and you CANNOT focus on having to win. So there goes 90% of the teams (clubs and academy).When it comes to Youth Soccer you are either about development or winning. It cannot be about both.Don't confuse this with meaning that you can't win if you are a development team. It simply means you will not put results in front of development. How many teams train one way but play/are coached different on game day? Answer: TOO MANYDCShore
The theory is right, but I have a few reasons why it won't work, kids (and parents like to win), winning is seen as a recruiting tool and I think team record would make a difference of a kid deciding to join a club, and in the world of everyone striving for a D-1 scholarship getting showcase exposure matters and losing clubs wouldn't get it the exposure. I don't think winning and development are mutually exclusive. Keeping a team together and teaching them to play over a longer period of time would be the ideal. I also think that once we put the term "professional" in front of the word coach and everyone assumes that they are competent.
I think it can be about both. If you develop top talent the winning will take care of itself. the problem with our NTs can go many different ways. I think all the focus on D1 schools is the problem. I think we need a league for the top talent (DA) and these players should be developed to play at the highest levels (and guess what this will cost money - even if your tuition is free someone has to pay for all that travel and overnight stays - nothing is for free everyone has choices and sacrifices to make). D1 will be the prize for these kids because all the D1 schools will want them.The we can have whatever for all the other kids fighting for scholarship money.
The question about FCV. 22 are on the USYS roster. 8 from last year's team are only on the ECNL roster. So the top Premiere players will play ECNL. Most of the lower Premiere players will not get much ECNL experience. This is fine, until you have a USYS/ECNL conflict or injuries. Both teams had many injuries last year and with lack of recovery time - they might have large cross sections of the team injured during the season. Rumor is they already have injuries.
The original FCV plan was two teams (ECNL and USYS) with a pool of 40 sharing 4-8 players between teams. But Gus had to give his entire roster ECNL patches to keep his crazy parents (like the former manager and the annoying German lawyer that all the parents and coaches can't stand) from causing more drama than they already cause.
Due to Ecnl rules you can't be sharing 4-8 players. Only 2
Are you sure ? I thought within the same club that kids could be rostered to both. If the team is a fcv team taking over abcg stats I thought discovery rules didn't apply
2:17 - the 6-8 were going to be dual rostered on two FCV teams (USYS and USClub) in the original plan.Instead, they went with a pool of 31 (one rostered on 16s) with 22 on the USYS and ECNL roster and 8 only on ECNL roster and a requirement to play State Cup, National League, Region 1 Premiere League, ECNL, NPL, and Super Y National Championships plus a crazy tournament schedule with everything from Dallas to PDA to Jeff Cup (breaking into two teams of 15) and a full slate of all ECNL showcases.
A couple of the Annandale parents are very insecure about how their daughters stack up against their former teammates who went to Mclean. Many of the current starters were reserves when the two teams were combined. Others were on a PWSI team that would invite Annandale to a tournament and for the honor of losing 6-0 each year so they could get easy GotSoccer points. So the former reserve parents and the PWSI parents have pushed for a schedule with very little recovery time between games in an attempt to win a National Championship (USYS, ECNL, NPL, Super Y). The coach doesn't care because he makes money. All I will say is, I would hate to be on FCV if they lose to Mclean or CASL. It will make Dance Moms look like watching PBS.
I'm not sure we are properly identifying or developing soccer talent in this country. Look at the U20 woman's team. Some of the comments remarked about the lack of technical skills, innovation, or ability to control the flow of play. Most of these girls played ECNL. I realize the ECNL Technical Directors and Coaches promote they are developing the best players. But that is subjective. This is not football where if you have consistent 100 yard rushing games, a coach cannot ignore your talent. Same with basketball where if you score 40 a game, but your shot isn't right or you are a bit smaller, coaches have a hard time saying this person isn't "league" ready. In soccer, there is alot of comment about being ECNL ready players. It is all subjective. Some coaches might think one is ECNL ready, while another doesn't. If you live in an area where the coach likes A' players and your daughter is an A* player then you are SOL. Doesn't mean your A* player isn't good or ECNL ready. She may not be a good fit for the local ECNL club. Look at college recruiting. Does every D1 school offer every single ECNL player. No. Sometimes they offer players which might not even be perceived by the parent, technical director, or parents as impact players. The problem with subjective it is too subjective. The problem with the US game is we are trying to build systems instead of developing players. It isn't working.
I have a daughter on an ECNL team and you are right. Talent evaluations are always subjective and often times when one coach sees one thing, another sees something different. I'm very familiar with the ECNL teams from Mass to North Carolina, and west to Indiana. Here's what most of those teams consist of. On (average) they each have 3-5 D1 players, and some of those more than likely go to small D1 school. The rest of the team is made up of nice D2/3 and some probably just finish out high school / ECNL and don't go on to play. Some of the better ECNL teams probably have 6-9 legit D1's and maybe 2 or 3 of those are real impact players. The difference between a really good town team and an average ECNL team is very small, and the town team could be better. The best thing about ECNL is that it seems to a magnet for good players, so league play is getting better every year. For our team when we were younger U11 / U12 it did not matter what league we played in the competition was horrible. ECNL has by in large solved that. But to 3:20's point I'm not implying ECNL is producing better national team players or that ECNL is the best model for that. Just saying it's been the most competitive league to date my daughter has played in, and as a whole has a majority of best players in it when you compare it to other leagues. As far as evaluations go I would encourage serious players (someone who wants to play in college) to be seen by as many coaches as possible. You have no idea how good (or not good) your daughter is by listening to one coach. Go to college camps, TopDrawer combines, local camps etc. The more college coaches that see you the better understanding you will have when it comes to areas that need improvement and what type of school they might expect to play for.
9:03 You are probably right about what you are say. The competition in the ECNL may be better, but I'm not sure that this system is creating better soccer players. Fast, big, and strong against fast, big, and strong will make for good competition. Our model is for fast big and strong because when the big clubs bring new kids in they need to win to keep their reputation in tact and do not have the patience for continued development of a player. D1 soccer is often not that pretty to watch either. We've set it up a some sort of standard, but D1 does not yet meet a great standard and overemphasizes size, strength, and speed. Lindsay Horan is probably the true future of top level soccer where D1 soccer is bypassed and right into a super high level of International competition.
10:09 - you are forgetting one thing about ECNL - it's been around for 5 years. So the kids that started with a ECNL club at u9 are just starting to play.Right now the norm has been for parents to keep their kids out and get better or equal training + ODP and then bring their kids over. I think those days are numbered as the soccer specific athletes are starting younger with the ECNl clubs and there will be no way they lose a spot to an athletic non-soccer specific kid in the future don't care what sports they played.I think we are going the right way and I think people get hung up on this D1 thing. AND I agree 100% with you Lindsay Horan signed a huge money deal to skip school and play pro in UEFA. While this is great news for our girls as they will be able to follow their dreams and play the sport they love and get paid for it - it's horrible news for the NWSL since they can't pay because we don't have the demand for Womens Soccer in the states.As of today and I'm talking NT level players only - ECNL is the best option - ODP is a waste of time and Money - but that's just my opinion. However, if you are hunting for a D1 scholarship many different avenues for that.
9:29 I think your post makes the opposite point. The kids that standout at young ages are either the very fast kids or the very strong kids. Those are the kids that are told and think they are the best soccer players and then will start going to the ECNL clubs. Just because you take a fast, big, and strong kid and put them in an ECNL club doesn't mean they will learn to see the field, will develop good foot work, will play well under pressure, etc. I have also seen enough "hotshot" kids even playing at ECNL clubs are unwilling to distribute the ball because it takes away from them being the center of attention. I am still amazed when I watch high level clubs and I see kid consistently trying to take the ball the whole field or take on 2-3 defenders.
10:16 I agree with you about what you are saying. Selfish players don't know team ball and that's fine, maybe they had to carry the load and it's tough learning to trust another player if you couldn't do it before. These same players I bet you hate to lose. They will learn or they will go as far as their type of play and skill level will take them.You are missing my point.We have Athletic Soccer players that have vision and skill plus soccer IQ. Then we have Athletic players that have size and strength and play multiple sports (jack of all trades master of none).I am saying that athletic soccer players will be searching for the ECNL clubs more and more and some of them will have size and strength. These players will develop into the stars of tomorrow at the NT, UEFA or NWSL levels. Can you imagine if you get these kids at u9 and surround them from the beginning with players that want to play and get better instead of wasting their time with ODP and playing for teams looking for results at the early ages.
The Germans (article link below) understand that small size often is associated with the best technique. There are exceptions Zinadine Zidane stands out in that regard as a good example of soze speed technique and tactics. Though intuitively I agree big strong fast AND technically phenomenal is the holy grail, that is exceedingly rare as a complete package. What I think we are seeing is that we don't have enough technically and tactically gifted players, midfielders especially, in the game to raise the level. That is because they are often being ignored by the selectors whether "elite" youth coaches or U20 WNThttp://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/may/23/germany-bust-boom-talent
2:12 I agree - Most of the time is coaches pushing kids from their club if not that are the big fast and strong. We are great coaches and we can mold them.This has been our philosophy for years. In the past it didn't matter because no one played the game now we can't get out of concacaf if we are u17 and can't beat North Korea if we are U20.How do you fix that? Do nothing business as usual win our games go to the national league and get our D1 scholarships and just point out the facts or do you give the ECNL a chance and maybe if more people promoted it as the place to be for elite talent instead of holding them back for what ever the reason maybe we change that and let these kids push each other.I agree it's expensive, but nothing is for free in life there is always a cost.
Selectors changing a bit? Look at the ODP regional teams' rosters for '99 and '00. Certainly not as many kids as there once were at the camps and some of the best choose not to participate, but seems that some of our mid altantic small technical kids are being chosen.http://www.region1.com/clubsite/?p=5800 A small technical kid from PA chosen to the U14 GNT camp. Are we starting to understand that the other nation's are catching up and we might actually need to put forward soccer players rather than just great athletes to succeed at the world's game?
I think it's a big leap to think that the ECNL will eventually develop the talent for the US to succeed on the global level. You need the ECNL clubs to commit to a development philosophy and that's difficult. ECNL clubs want to recruit the "best" players. How do they do that? By winning. This puts an emphasis on winning rather than development which runs counter to the development philosophy. Also, in our area, the girls that end up on the ECNL teams do not rise up through the same club and get developed. They are mostly from other surrounding clubs so this results in the teams being "All Star"-like teams. Assuming little turnover, it may take time for any team structured like this to gel, even if they all play a similar posession oriented game. Even if the kids did develop and rise up through the ECNL club, they would almost need to start at the U9 or U10 level. Who knows at this age if the kid is going to succeed or not?If you want the ECNL to be a showcase for college identification, then that's possible with today's clubs. If you want the ECNL to be the training ground for the USWNT, then the structure and emphasis needs to change. I suspect that many of the players (or at least their parents) are more concerned with playing in college than making the USWNT, so there's no push to change the system.
To those who say that it's only 5 years give the ECNL time, I would argue that on the National Level we do not have time. If some of us are right about the ECNL being bad for US Soccer development then our country will be so far behind in identifying national talent that we will be too far behind to quickly catch up. The only incentive big clubs have is to win, play in big events, and get as many kids into college as possible because without that they wouldn't have their marketing tool.The other major problem we have is that the US has no soccer philosophy. Whatever we have at the US Soccer level is not pushed down through the clubs. Even within clubs, there is a major inconsistency with coaches.My daughter is a pretty good soccer player, and she is constantly frustrated by her "professional coach" who coaches one thing in practice and then is critical of the same actions in games or coaches a style of play but let's some kids consistently deviate from a style of play whereas as other kids are berated for deviating.I don't believe US Soccer at the youth or highest levels is in great shape. When we get knowcked out of the U20 World Cup by North Korea who then loses to Nigeria 6-2, something is seriously wrong. Is there a correlation with this being the first crop of kids coming out of the ECNL Someone was on this blog a few months back about how the US Youth National teams are populated almost entirely by ECNL kids.
5:18 - you are unhappy with your paid coach. Your daughter is unhappy with her paid coach. Why do you pay so much money for your daughter to play on a team that you believe has a bad coach? Are you sure he works on one thing at practice and expects something else in a game? I can only think of 3 scenarios here:1) you are willing to pay a lot of money for a bad coach for the ECNL patch.2) Your daughter is not understanding what the coach wants in a game (maybe he uses different terminology or is foreign?)3)Lack of playing time is leading to frustration.
9:59 The point of the post is about the quality of coaches and about the lack of soccer philosophy that exists across all of US Soccer. Be judgmental if you must, of course everyone chooses a club for their own reason. My daughter plays for an NPL club and we've chosen it because of proximity and quality of the overall club. The coach is actually decent guy but I believe he's a poor communicator and lacks consistency in what he wants from the kids. That's my opinion and others may view it differently. Broadly, I don't think we have a lot of quality control over coaches in our system. I think it's a big part of the development issue and I don't know that at the youth level that there is a lot of teaching going on.
Coaches are a commodity traded in a market. You have kept the demand up for weak coaches by buying weak coaching. You have done that for "proximity" and "quality" of the club. First off why care about the quality of the club if the quality of the the specific team which is based largely on the quality of the coach is lacking? The proximity factor is family dependent, but I think you have little room to complain if you aren't willing to broaden the market by traveling some. Carpools often make the travel more feasible. Recruit some local kids to a better situation with your child and you may make the travel possible. While there is not yet a critical mass of great coaching present in the US, there are islands of great coaches out there and you may have one within acceptable commuting distance if you make a concerted effort to find him/her. 2 years ago when my child, who was a late puberty technical kid and does not fit in with a direct style of play, was unhappy with her position and playtime with the "local" team ( which had just changed coaches after 5 years) We went shopping for soccer teams. Ultimately she specifically chose a team based on the coaching and the style of play. Yes we must commute a significant distance and it is a challenge that we have accepted. The team plays the same style in practice and in games and the style is dictated by the DOC. All teams in the club play the same style. It is a fairly successful team but by playing out of the back (unlike the u20s the goalie rarely punts / drop kicks) they do lose some games. There is a very competitive environment for playtime and there were significant cuts/ adds at tryout this spring. Some might find the team's philosophy stressful. We couldn't be happier with the choice our child/ family has made.
I agree coaches are key - but with so many registered players not that many soccer specific people available to coach. So you take moms and dads who love other sports and are successful in other sports trying to translate what works in those sports to soccer = Big, Fast, Athletic, Aggressive kids will win games when they are young and will enjoy winning and traveling to tournaments makes everybody happy.I think US Club soccer is trying to change that - by setting up standards like the DA's for clubs to follow. They accept clubs that meet these standards. Are all the coaches great, probably for some kids and probably not for some others at least they are holding clubs accountable. It's not the wild wild west where teams do what they want, the club advances love the the patch not the team. I't not every day you come across a PA strikers situation. For every PA strikers you have 10 hacks.
USYSA is committing elite programming suicide. It scheduled the ODP interregional to overlap the first national league event at CASL. This affects many regions and teams. ABGC, Tophat, Legends, PV storm, Cleveland FC etc all have several players representing the region at ODP interregional and are in the national league. USYSA touts these events as opportunities for recruitment and youth national team exposure, yet superimposes them. Brilliant...I am personally considering seeing if my kid can be successful in the ECNL to get away from this mess.
So now that ABGC Premier isn't around to suckle off of, it seems that PWSI Red has turned to McLean ECNL for their points teat. Invite them to their tournament, barely beat two younger U14 teams by a goal each, and lose twice to McLean without scoring a goal, but will probably still get about 700 points. A true illustration of all that is wrong with GS. How can you justify earning any points without ever winning a single game against a team in your own age bracket?
We all know got soccer's limitations. It is however immensely useful as a database for results. As in who has beaten whom and at what venue.what is much more interesting is what will happen with the national league and ECNL at ABGC/FC VA? Dose anyone know? How are they working the rosters for specific events?
1:33 That is not interesting to me, lay it out and make it interesting to an ousider like me.
The FC VA team has a giant ECNL roster listed. This isn't terribly uncommon in ECNL land as often many B team (NPL) level kids are rostered so that they can play ECNL occasionally. However, this giant roster has a mix of last years' ECNL kids and just about the whole ABGC national league team. By USYSA rules they have to have some roster continuity (50%?) for national league so many of the ECNL kids will have to play in, I think, 2 national league events. CASL and one other?. Will the top (largely ABGC) kids predominantly play both ECNL and the 2 national league events. Will they also play region 1. Or will the top kids play ECNL and just enough to keep roster continuity of the bottom of the old ABGC roster play national league and region 1? The answer speaks to the overall viability of USYSA programming versus ECNL. If the top kids are playing both next spring, there will be a question of overuse. Will they schedule their events around each other as best they can to keep the top team playing everything or will there essentially be 2 teams, one that plays ECNL and one USYSA? How is this balance going to work with team chemistry and overall team satisfaction?
OK....why is this so interesting? A team needs to figure out who will play where in what games. Every team has to sort that out.
yeah everyteam with 30 kids on the roster...
Maybe not so interesting to you, but to others, is what happens to the kids that have had the carrot dangled in front of them and end up not playing much or at all, and how soon will the others burn out or get unnecessarily exposed to injury because of their coach's ego.
Also will be interesting to see whether the "A" roster plays ECNL or Usysa when there is a conflict.
Ecnl rule " NO more than 2 players coming from a different team/roster"If you are an Ecnl team you can't have on your roster 3,4... players playing usysa only 2.
How are your girls handling the riggers of HS? Went to my daughters first (varsity)scrimmage the other day and I must tell you I'm marking off the days when it's over. The product is beyond bad. The coach told my daughter (plays holder) never pass back to our defense - its a dangerous ball.. Said he understood that in "club" that is how you play but here the girls don't have the talent to handle it. The coach said if no one is available in front of you just kick it away. Packs 8 in the box and prays for a windy day because our 2 strikers have no chance to ever score.The saddest part to me though is the fact that many of these girls have and are still playing club soccer somewhere. Many of them have been playing for years like my daughter. I have no idea what they are teaching them but their level of understanding (soccer IQ), technical ability is on par with what you would expect out of a rec player. I've invested in 5 rolls of duck tape that I will use to cover my mouth so no one can hear me mumbling "what the..." Might have to put some over my ears as well because if I have to listen to parents scream "great ball" as it was just kicked out of bounds or "nice try" when a girl just took a 40 yard shot (that stopped in the goalies box)... I might not make it through the season. Good luck to all.
Since just about every u15g is going into their freshman year, does anyone want to talk about HS Soccer? This sport is supposed to be about having fun. I hope most of the girls and parents are excited about playing for their school.
256 you are talking about the discovery player rule. Within the club you can roster up to 30 players as ecnl players as ABGC did. Each ECNL game requires that the team submits a game day roster with up to 18 players named from the 30 eligible. If for example ABGC named 16 of the 30 for a Saturday ECNL game and then had a USYSA game scheduled for Sunday, all 16 kids could play in a usysa event on sunday. If there was a conflicting ecnl game on that sunday 14 of the remaining 30 could play in the ecnl event. Similarly any combination of the 30 players could play in either event on that Sunday regardless of the Saturday's game roster.From the ECNL handbook (pg 11):"Dual-Rostered Player•If a player in your club is invited to play just for one weekend with your ECNL specific team, you must roster her on yourECNLSeasonRoster. She is permitted to go back and play with heroriginalteam. This is called “Dual-Rostered.”•Example: Pool of players within an ECNL club, if a player is pulled up to play with the ECNL team for a game, she will be added to the seasonroster for the remainder of the year. She will be allowed to go back and play for her original team; again this is called a “Dual Rostered” player. •If a player within yourECNL Club is pulled up from a non ECNL team and/or invited to play for the ECNL team (even for one game), the player must be added to the ECNL season roster for the remainder of the year. Yes, the player will count The discovery players are specifically players outside of the ECNL clubECNL Handbook page 23:"A Discovery Player is a player that is not a member of an ECNL Member Club in any capacity. A Discovery Player is allowed to participate in ECNL U14, U15, U16, U17 ECNL teams may each have two (2) Discovery Players, total"Thus ABGC can indeed have the 30 players rostered run between ECNL and USYSA competition freely exchanging players for any specific event. Link to the handbook if anyone is interested:https://www.dropbox.com/s/gaujadlox979d29/2014%20-%202015%20ECNL%20Member%20Club%20Handbook%20.pdf.%%%%%%%%%%%%2014 -2015 ECNL Member Club Handbook .docx12of 378/12/14ECNL®towards the ECNL Season roster maximum (30 players in all age groups). In saying that, the player is permitted to go back and play with her other team (non ECNL team) during the season. •In other words, there is a pool of players within an ECNL club. If a player is pulled up to play with the ECNL team for a game, she will be added to the ECNL season roster for the remainder of the year. She will be allowed to go back and play forher original non-ECNL team. "the 2 "discovery player" limit applies to kids who are primarily rostered on teams outside of the ECNL club.
@ 8:28 & 8:33 My daughters HS school experience has been different. The level of play on the varsity team is higher then her club team. The few girls playing at the varsity level that have not been trained properly are getting educated by the high level club players on the team. The coaching seems ok. It's worth mentioning that my daughter goes to a large school with a lot of soccer players to choose from. It should be fun to watch.
I have to say my daughter is finding the HS experience less then pleasurable. HS varsity coach has inside info from gym teacher/ middle school coach who shared info on her top incoming freshman. Girls play low level local soccer and middle school while best incoming where at top clubs and skipped middle school soccer. Varsity coach blind to new players and takes the word of gym teacher. Coach will eventually see the better players but since freshman are separated the process will take time. Hard to explain to your daughter that HS soccer is very different and HS coaches have very little familiarity with the skills that recent freshmen now arrive with.
157 have the same experience. She's hoping for a move up at least before playoffs. But when the coach is a teacher and not a fulltime soccer guy...trying to just let it be the social experience it really is without an injury
It also helps the HS experience when mommy runs the booster club and daddy has been stalking the HS coach since little Mia was in sixth grade!
In our area most of the talented players bypasses HS soccer. It only exposes the kids to unnecessary injuries and constant frustration. The HS has revolving coaches who don't understand tactics or training, and the games are hard to watch. There's also no benefit from playing, other than earning a varsity letter.
5:19 Sadly you are right. Knew it would be bad but not this bad. I pray the "fun" factor kicks in.
5:19 I disagree - there is always a benefit to playing. Every expert points out that we don't have pick up games in the states. Of course not, why would high level soccer players play with their friends who know nothing about the team unless of course there are 10 kids that play soccer on the same block.Come on man - is it great soccer? Depends on your definition of great. Is it good soccer? Depends on your definition of good. At least they are playing or would you prefer they don't touch a ball and play some other sport?For the kids that love the game play and enjoy - Injuries will happen regardless of the level of play at this age I don't think kids are picking up bad habits but then again I wouldn't know.
From what I have seen so far, my child would welcome the ECNL following in the USSF mandate for its DA players: no high school ball. Of course I would expect year round ECNL programming then
Anybody else embarrassed by the fact that Sky Blue had the worst attendance in the NWSL by a long shot? The attendance is at least half of most of the other NWSL clubs. 13,362 Portland (+0.3%)4,650 Houston (-)3,666 Seattle (+57%)3,335 Washington (-9%)3,177 Western NY (-29%)2,949 *Chicago (+72%)2,437 Boston (+0.4%)2,018 FC Kansas City (-57%)1,640 Sky Blue FC (-2%)
maybe because the team is not that good.
12:38 - Don't even compare playing pickup games to HS soccer. If there was any benefit, then most of the club coaches wouldn't have such an issue with it. It's far from pickup soccer. Pickup soccer is much better than what they pass off as HS soccer around here.What's the point of sending your kid to mandatory daily HS practice for an hour and a half, then off to club practice for another hour and a half? They get no benefit from it, besides wearing them out. Most decent top-level club teams are practicing 3 days a week, with scrimmages and/or games on the weekend. You want to throw in another 7 1/2 hours plus 2-3 games a week in addition to that? That's roughly 12 hours of practice and 4-5 games a week.Sorry, but I don't see the benefit. I'd rather have my kid in the yard juggling or passing with a friend than go to HS soccer. A large part of that is based on the quality of the HS coaches here, and the level of play & practice. It's absolutely pointless.
Perhaps, but there's so much talk on this blog about the development of women's soccer, yet so few people expose their kids to professional soccer? The league can't develop if people don't support it whether winning or losing.
My kid is having fun with the bonding and representing her school, but, crikeys it is ugly. She is playing varsity at a consistant top 10 high school team. We have some very good girls playing club soccer, but, the competition for scrimmages has not been pretty. I did not think it would be this bad, hopefully, teams in our conference will not be as bad as the scrimmages. I cringe every day, waiting for the injury phone call. If it isn't lower level players at other schools, I worry about upper classmen who she may be displacing, and are none too happy about it. Play fast and smart, always aware, and get rid of the ball, if you see someone charging at you, MOVE OUT THE WAY ! I pray every night to her guardian angel. So far it has worked, but we have a long season, and usually go deep into the fall.
ABGC/FCV roster is also playing NPL (as FCV's team - FCV has another NPL team they gave to ABGC as a replacement for Premiere), State Cup (in the Fall), and R1 Premiere League (in the Spring). Plus tournaments. All ECNL showcases. Plus Super Y finals in Florida. The second NPL team at FCV (which is on loan to ABGC) contains players from last year's State Cup runner/Colonial League member LMVSC and a couple players from last year's ECNL team.
2:32 - FCV has another team (Coached by CC) that's supposedly their NPL team, made up of the ex-FCV ECNL players, a few of the ABGC girls that didn't make the cut, a couple from the now-defunct LMVS, and some others they picked up.
Ooos. I wrote that last post after reading 2:31, and didn't see 2:32.
@ 5:59 You say “Sorry, but I don't see the benefit. I'd rather have my kid in the yard juggling or passing with a friend than go to HS soccer”A part of me thinks the same thing, then I remind myself that it’s about the girls having great times & memories in H.S. What has all this development been about if she can’t use that development in H.S. and be a dominant player & leader while representing her town and school? I believe there are plenty of benefits that have very little to do with her soccer development.
9:01 - She'll get plenty of opportunity for that in other sports and activities. We know club kids who play HS soccer and they are told not to do the things that good teams do ("don't ever play it back"). It's hard to be a dominant player when you are instructed to kick it up the field as soon as you can, or kick it out of bounds if you are being pressured. She will get much more out of, and get much further by focusing on her club team.Aside from hanging out with some friends, there is zero benefit from HS soccer in this area. There are no colleges scouting HS games (at least not around here). Unless they get a coach that knows the game and is interested in putting together a team that plays "THE GAME" (to coin a phrase from DCShore) the risks outweigh the benefits, and that's the way my kid feels, not just me.
9:01 hit it on the head. HS sports for girls is much more social than it is about the competition. High School can be daunting for a Freshman and to have a social group in place that can be supportive may be more important than the relationships they have with their club team. For many club teams, kids come from different towns and only see the girls during practices or games. This is a time that many girls drop out of playing soccer at the club level, forcing them to play with their club in the fall might be another reason why girls will drop out at this age.
It seems that many club are following on the foot steps of PDA and Matchfit and forming A, B, C team. NJ Stallions, FC Copa, NJ Rush have A and B teams that play NPL and EDP. How competitive are those B and C teams. For what i understand, they pay the same as the top teams.
7:41 CC's team is not FCV's NPL. That is FCV AUFC's NPL team (AUFC is ABGC's new name for travel soccer). The ECNL team is FCV's NPL team.the AUFC NPL team is composed of 3 players, plus 1 goalie from the old ECNL team, 2 field players and 1 goalie from ABGC Premiere and the rest mostly from LMVSC - but they didn't get the impact players (scorers from LMVSC). Solid team. They got a bad draw in State Cup. If they win first round, they play Premiere in second roundSo CC might be coaching against GD is second round of state cup
So bottom line- Are the best kids from abgc the ecnl kids and the ecnl first choices? Will they be playing schedules this spring that will promote overuse injuries while over a third of the ecnl roster sits or plays NPL ( the ecnl b team league version of it)?
@ 9:55 you say “She will get much more out of, and get much further by focusing on her club team.
Aside from hanging out with some friends, there is zero benefit from HS soccer in this area.” I respect your position & her school may be just that bad. What I’m trying to say is that when you say “get much further”, how “much further” is there to get? There is college after H.S. then that is it. If your kid is D1 material, I don’t think playing HS ball will change that. There may be 2 or 3 people in each state that have a CHANCE at USWNT. Not 2 or 3 in each age group but 2 or 3 in each state. Let the kids enjoy H.S. Soccer, imo. It might just be one of the best memories of her HS years.
2:27 - The FCV ECNL team can't be the NPL team. The NPL and ECNL schedules conflict. The ex-LMVS girls that are on CC's team have been told they are playing VA NPL.Besides, between ECNL, National League, State Cup, and Super Y Nationals, I think the 30 girls on the ECNL roster will be pretty wiped out. To add NPL to that schedule would be disastrous.
@4:46 - My kid certainly has no aspirations for the USWNT. I think she's realistic about her abilities and limitations. If she plays in college, that's a just an added bonus. Is she D1 material? Hard to tell, but who knows. There's a lot of time between now and college. If that's something she wants and works towards that, then that's fine. But if that is her goal, playing HS here will do nothing to further that. She will get plenty of social interaction and HS team spirit from other sports and activities that she'll do that won't interfere or jeopardize her playing soccer.I'm not saying that all HS soccer is worthless, just that I know ours is. There are some programs around here that have a tradition of good teams and by all means, kids in that area should do it if that's something they are interested in. But usually the better kids are on the better club teams, and like DA's, those and some ECNL programs frown (if not prohibit) on HS involvement.
Our DOC plainly states he wishes our girls would not play HS ball but many of our parents are so impressed when their freshman makes varsity that they don't listen. Oh Btw one girl on our team has already torn her AcL at HS ball.
9:24 - who is going to be the AUFC NPL team - the Annandale team that is WAGS D2?
HS soccer is brutal.And most coaches, some who even coach High School, will tell you that it is a completely 'different' game. I mainly blame this on the fact that it is at the APEX of having to win.Few HS coaches will take the time to actually farm 'like' talent (kids who know THE GAME) and let them play. Instead they reinvent the wheel, usually with the intent of putting 'scoring threats' up tops and big strong, physical defenders in the back. As many have mentioned NO concept of a passing game. No acknowledgement that the game can (should) be slowed down and played with some actual intelligence. MOST IMPORTANTLY no value in having the players make individual decisions.It is the ultimate shark tank where if a player makes a mistake (give up a goal, or be involved in a play that gives up a goal) they are riding the bench.That said, I agree there is value in the social interaction (and a danger). If you player plays a High IQ game in club you will certainly need to adjust your expectations as far as what you see from the HS team and your player. And/Or be prepared to see your player loser her knees, ankles, collarbones, get a couple of concussions, etc. You will also find that you will need ear plugs and/or a strong will to bite your tongue as dummy parents openly make comments about player mistakes and will have no problem calling out a player when a goal is given up...or a scoring opportunity is missed. WORST PART the joy-sticking they will do as they coach from the sideline. Enjoy!DCShore
Agreed HS Soccer is a different game, it's a social thing and the girls should enjoy it, but if your saying that the dummy parents and sideline coaching doesn't happen At high level travel games, I reLly need to know what planet your on. I've seen some of the best teams around over the past few years and one thing never changes no matter what level it is. the biggest problem with the whole youth sports experience is parents who haven't played a sport in their life or at a very low level at best with ridiculous expectations for their kid. That's in high school and travel no matter what sport your kid is playing. If fact some of the parents of high level kids can be the worst because they want everyone to live up to their child's standards.
I wrote the original post mentioning what a shock and horror show HS soccer was (8/27, 8:28am). I have read the post that have followed and there is a bit of truth in every post that followed. As a point of reference my daughter plays on an ECNL team and I can tell you all 18 girls rostered to her ECNL team are playing HS soccer. All made varsity and all are starters. I'm not here to say ECNL players are great or anything like that just using it as a point of reference for what I'm going to say.Everyone knows what HS is as far as soccer is concerned. It's not high level club, yes there is increased chance for injuries and no there's not much you will learn or gain technically from it. You will learn how to bang and grind more (not a great selling point for sure) but I do believe it will make you a physically tougher player. That said HS soccer (and everything that it is and isn't ) provides a break for most girls who play serious club soccer. The last 2 years our ECNL schedule was full year we never stopped, there was no off season. For those wishing that ECNL adopts some rule that prohibits playing both (I believe its happening in a couple of states already) be careful what you wish for. ECNL "only" will prohibit your daughter form playing any HS sport not just soccer. My older daughter played 3 varsity sports in HS (no club) and had an absolute blast. All of her "buds" were from those teams, it is without a doubt a huge social experience and all kids love competing for their HS, on the big stage in front of a screaming student body. I spoke to a number of coaches in our club both female and male and they all came to the same conclusion. Not great soccer but as a social tool it will in many ways shape their friendships and experience during their HS years.My daughter is already talking about how fun the bus trips are to and from games, plus all the locker room banter before practice. Trust me our ECNL team (girls) for the most part really like and care for each other but HS friendships are on a different level. Don't you still have HS friends?
11:11AMNo doubt. And that is very important too.But "MY EYES!!!" while watching a HS game :)DCShore
Tragedy in south jersey today when four girls headed to charity tournament were hit by another car who drifted over the centerline. One girl very critical and not a very good prognosis. Keep your perspective people. This is a time we should all enjoy our children playing a game they love.
They are U15 girlshttp://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Route-40-Crash-Teens-Hurt-273315991.html#ixzz3Bwe8cSuz
10:12Agreed and sending positive thoughts.DCShore
Can anybody give me your thoughts on NJ Stallions. How is the training, the teams, coaches and training facilities?How does it compare to other academies around? Thanks,
The Emperor has no Clothes?FCV (I mean Annandale) loses to Beach FC 3-1 in Greensboro. Could it be that we find out what everyone in NOVA already knows. That GD is good at winning in early age groups, but is not successful against elite teams once you reach age 15. Or could maybe everyone realizes that Annandale was a small cadre of 1 really strong player, 3-4 strong players, and a bunch of role players when asked to play without the Top 4 players is not better than a Top 10 team in VA.FCV let GD pick this team. Once TF and CC realizes that he has gotten rid of strong technical players in favor of players who are really good at direct style of play, that should be a good source of conversation between the coachesAfter all, really good coaches like Hank Leung or Dave Edwards didn't last long at FCV. How is someone like GC going to last playing his games under the watchful eye of TF.
where did the "strong technical players" go to play?
2 losses. Yikes. The parents are probably going to blame TF and CC for the losses. GD is going to deflect criticism saying "You guis won before coming to FCV". In NOVA, we are taking odds on how long this marriage lasts. Team Harkes left FCV midseason due a dispute with TF. So what does FCV do, bring in a bigger bunch of power hungry parents, What until there is a conflict between USYS and ECNL and TF/CC want to send the top cadre to ECNL and GD and the Premiere parents want them to go to National League or State Cup. Then the fireworks are going to explode on this little science experiment.
9:08. A couple are with the ECNL team. many got put on the FCV AUFC NPL team (which by the coaches own admissions, the former players assigned to the "B' team were ECNL worthy players), and a handful got feed up and went to other local teams.GD already got one of the strongest technical players in NOVA who was with the Springfield team that was pretty good. He benched her. Ruined her confidence. She is a shell of her former self because of the doubts of playing the Spring under Gus' system.I think everyone saw that and went, don't want my daughter playing for GD.
Aug 29th 10:50. ACL... Our DOC does not want the girls to play high school. I kind of feel the same. That being said, we also had a recent ACL injury. It had nothing to do with being High school ball. It was a non contact injury, which, is often the case in female ACL tears. It was due to the plant and cut. If it was going to happen, it does not matter if it was on a club pitch or on a high school pitch. There is nothing you can do when it is non contact except injury prevention. Implement the FIFA 11+. I are my kid to do them at home, and also get her to practice early enough to do them on her own, but at 14, she does not want to look "weird".You can't just go through the motions, someone needs to monitor that the knees are not bucking, and or turning in or out. We need to educate our girls how to minimize this horrible injury. How to land, and how to stay on the balls of their feet. The heel, and full foot plant is a killer. The coaches don't have the time to do the warm up and recommended excericises, but I think we all can agree that, if this can cut an ACL injury by even 10%, we would make time for that extra 15 minutes. My kid plays ECNL, With all of the training and her love of the game, how do you say that she can't represent her high school? I don't have the heart, fully knowing the implications. We have quite a few very good players, but opposing schools, not so much. Scary for a small, young, technical freshman, to step on the field with bigger, more mature physical players, whom sometimes resort to over the top, physicality. Injuries happen but ACL's are often non contact. Other senseless injuries can be prevented by having knowledgable refs, who not only knows the game, but who also recognizes when physical play crosses the line due to frustration or ugliness. It is their job to protect our kids and they should know it. They should be held accountable just the same as a coach would.
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