Wednesday, July 20, 2016

U17G - U16 Girls Youth Soccer

This page is focused on Under 17 girls youth soccer, primarily in Region 1 but everyone is invited to share and post.

Teams face increased competition for the top players, (who are increasingly attending college showcases).

More teams consolidate and the best teams--academy soccer, club soccer and high school teams--battle to attract and retain the right player mix.

Stay tuned. This is bound to be good.

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Anonymous said...

parents we are the biggest problem. We let our children join teams with 22 players on the roster and then we complain and question playing time! How many players do we know that ride the bench all weekend after practicing hard and traveling around the state for games. Why?

Anonymous said...

253 because most are actual captive clients. They dont want to go thru the hassle of finding a better fit. Easier to stay and complain or stay and rationalize it - better club etc, etc. They will even applaud when team brings in another player and benches them because they rationalize that the extra wins make their kid more of a prospect. We are all different, but its a strange mindset to me.

Anonymous said...

My Daughter plays ECNL. No more than 16 on roster over past 4 years. All players get on the field. You Need to be on field to get recruited. It worked out for her.

Anonymous said...

My kid was on a team a few years ago where she did not get much PT: maybe 10-15 minutes the entire game. She was not happy and we were not happy to see her unhappy. We suggested to her that she look around. She was uncertain, but agreed to do "tryout training" with several teams. She decided to switch teams. Did so 2 months into the fall season and has been happy since. New team has risen in relative success over these years and old one declined. Good decision for her in the long run. Scheduling college visits for this and next month all good.
If your kid isn't happy with her perceived relative status on the team she has options:
1)Try and improve the coaches perception of her through additional training focused on the identified and articulated weaknesses
2)Switch teams to one where her skill set and style place her in the upper third of the new coach's rank order
3)Suck it up

Regarding "poaching" this is a silly conversation. There is no ownership of the kid. Why is this any different that the sale and purchase of any other product or service. Why shouldn't someone be able to market to you a product/ service that he or she thinks is an improvement over the one you are currently using? Free markets and competition lead to the best products at the cheapest price. We should be encouraging the clubs competition not declaring it somehow improper.

Anonymous said...

3:14

It would be MAYHEM if poaching were not frowned on and thus a common practice during seasons

Summers are fair game.

Anonymous said...

314 sorry, but I have to disagree, as would you if the players being poached were to replace your child AFTER tryouts. Coaches need to be measured by how they improve the players they train, not how well they can attract others. I NEVER hear parents on these boards sharing REAL information like..have you seen how much team A has improved. Coach must be doing something right. Instead its we won this and that therefore we must be good. The standards we hold Clubs and coaches to is laughably low.

Anonymous said...

So your objection to employing a true free market to soccer teams is that a new better player might take your kid's play time? Then your kid is in over her head and her team would be better served by the new kid entering into the system and yours relegated to the, more appropriate, level below.

A true ebb and flow of players would result in an equilibrium that would ultimately be more stable and better for everyone. The best programs (as defined by those that most successfully attract the best players- because there must be some characteristics about them that results in their relative attractiveness) would consolidate talent. That talent consolidation is import to overall soccer development in this country. Further the next tier down kids would level on the next level teams an so forth. There would only be chaos until equilibrium was reached. Except in the case of a coach switching clubs or other change in value which would result in a new small ripple of player movement.

Within a free market model, kids would end up in a more stable rather than less stable environment best fitting to their level at any given point in time.

Anonymous said...

341. What metric do you use to determine a coach's relative success? Most non soccer playing parents have no idea how to evaluate a player's relative development and have even less of a basis for comparison. If you think winning is not a valid metric then you are mistaken.

Anonymous said...

Ebb and flow happens in the tryout season/summer

Anonymous said...

8/23 @8:09 - sorry, i misread the initial post. you are correct re your breakdown.

Anonymous said...

3:41 - agreed. a good chalk talk session for parents would be good.

Anonymous said...

503. Not at all. I have no problem with any kid earning a spot thru the open tryout process. I have a problem with 22 kids on a roster and players being added post tryouts. You quote free mots, but that is a terrible analogy. This is very simple, we all pay the same and deserve broadly similar treatment. That includes a fair selection process and respect. For the record, my kid is fine. It is humorous to me how people assume that someone who want things to be fairer and accountability to be BOTH ways must be suffering under the current system. I just believe in fair. Fair benefits everyone.

Anonymous said...

538 if you think winning is a valid metric to the 14th kid on the roster who plays 20 mins then you are mistaken. If you think that winning benefits anyone but the coach and club, then again I feel you are mistaken. Winning AFTER developing ALL your players , getting them ALL the exposure they need to play at the next level, treating them ALL with respect is true victory indeed. Winning can be part of the story but it is never all of it at this level. The real winning is the kids getting where they want to go. Personally, I don't care who wins the games. i respect the coaches who produce great players and make all their players better. There are VERY few out there.

Anonymous said...

8:16 - winning is a metric though. Doesn't mean the only metric, but a measuring tool. And, it is not the score, only, but how the team worked to get the score; how they may have come back from being down; or how they protected their lead. So, like it or not, it is a tool in the toolbox to judge development of a child and a team.

Anonymous said...

And, that 14th kid may be responsible for the winning goal (hello sydney leroux).

Anonymous said...

816 I do not agree that because your little Mia makes any particular club, and I think it should be understood that your spot is with the club and not a particular team, then she is entitled to play 30 minutes in any game because you pay a fee. The fee is inclusion in the club and club training and game opportunity. However to realize that opportunity she must perform at a level that doesn't impact the other player's opportunity and yes indeed the club's opportunity. She didn't earn it at 2 day a tryout; she earns it throughout the year. Your kid is going to struggle when she doesn't have you paving the way and she has to earn what she gets. Unless of course you plan to will her the family business- something I don't recommend given you haven't taught her how to work for what she wants.

Anonymous said...

Regarding heavy rosters(ECNL many times) and playing time...I believe coach should tell your daughter "you made the team but you will need to compete for play time" Then it is her choice to stay or leave...how about D1, riding the bench for 2 years before getting play time? Worth it or not? Choice...
Also think about this. Many elite coaches believe it's all about the development and training; many clubs play way too many games. My daughters participated in clinics with a renowned NT coach and his belief is in a ratio of 5-6 training sessions/1 game, not the crazy game schedule many clubs have...
Thoughts to ponder...

Anonymous said...

719 i love you parenting tips, but just because i feel that way does not have any bearing on my kid at all. I suggest you focus on yours. Absolutely she earns it at a tryout , especially if she is going to a new team. I understand that putting winning in perspective is very difficult for many of you because you associate the score with success. I believe that if you eliminate the score form games when analyzing them and looked at who created more, who possessed better, who made good decisions etc. You will have a very different view. If my daughter is solving the problem she faces on the field day in day out irrespective of the score, she is winning. If a kid is making poor passes , bad decisions and her team is still winning is that good? These teams are not really on a level playing field in many ways. Winning consistently has very little to do with top talent.

Anonymous said...

827 . so that means to get ratios right EVERY kid should be seeing the field for meaningful minute IF the goal is to develop no ?

Anonymous said...

9:20 are you talking about our WNT? They win a lot but play ugly soccer when it comes to decisions.

8:27 Dude - parents pay over 2k for their kids to develop. Read all the websites MEANINGFUL games are always mentioned. If a kid is not playing in meaningful games then they are not developing how is that on the kid if they never get a chance to develop? Must be what 9:20 is talking about these teams are not looking to develop instead are looking to win and this is the same player pool the top D1 and NT scouts look at right?

The kids are paying for school regardless if they play or not, don't buy your argument of earning playing time. The club holds a tryout and takes players that can benefit the team it's on them to develop the players not just take their money and that means playing in meaningful games. I'mall for the ratio but then every player needs to play in I'll say it again meaningful games not showcases to make up the minutes unless they believe those are meaningful games but the gurus on this board believe they are not

It's not on the player if they are not making the right decisions they need to make mistakes in order to get better 30 minutes out of 80 is not asking for a lot pal and I agree if the team takes the player then should play the player not just take their money.

if you want a good metric forget winning -winning is the end game for every game. What is a teams passing % more specifically a player's. I love the players that win the ball hold it way to long and then pass it to a player that has a player right on them so they lose the ball and get blame for a bad first touch or are not strong enough instead of if the pass was made earlier everybody looks good and the team has a better chance to create.

Anonymous said...

2016 WAGS Tournament
Girls U17 - SHOWCASE I

Bracket 01
LOWER MERION SC STORM (PAE)
FC VIRGINIA ECNL 00 (VA)
SAC PREMIER BLUE (MD)
TRIANGLE FUTBOL ALLIANCE 00 (NC)

Bracket 02
FC VIRGINIA UNITED ELITE 00 (VA)
NVSC JR. MAJESTICS '00 (VA)
WESTON FC 2000 - NPL (FL)
PLAINEDGE EXPLOSION (NYE)

Bracket 03
BEACH FC 00G RED (VA)
BRYC 00 ELITE (VA)
CYA SOCCER SANTOS (VA)
WEST FLORIDA FLAMES 99G ELITE BRANDON (FL)

Anonymous said...

1015 AMEN.

Anonymous said...

922 meaningful minutes how often? And I maintain with an appropriate level team. Again I do not think a kid should be offered a spot on a team, but a spot within the club to be moved within the relative competitive environments based on her level at any given time relative to other like aged children. 1 game -30 minutes/q 2 weeks is more than enough for development as long as training is happening 3 -4 days/ week ( even if you have to secure additional training for your child) and includes some game simulation situations. We overstate the frequency of competition in the role of player development. We need competition to guage progress and to provide experience, but ioptimal development doesn't require the frequency of competition that we Americans demand.

Anonymous said...

827 you cannot compare college to club. many kids on a College roster have been recruited and several PAID. if the Club kids were getting paid to pay I would agree with you. Too many applyt pro metrics to Club soccer. Not at all comparable. And spare me the life lesson part. Would you be happy if in school say ONLY the best mathematicians were allowed to take SAT prep, because the rest had not earned it by not getting the best grades in class? Or should the teachers teach them less because they are not good enough?

Anonymous said...

So you say try-outs for try-outs. Like pool players, you are part of the pool you play based on where you have developed. Hmmm.
An interesting concept, but I don't think the internet will be able to withstand the blogging storms that ensue after the teams have been picked from the pools. LOL
There is no easy solution to any of this. But enjoying the lively banter for sure!

Anonymous said...

But it IS a life lesson even in school. You don't always get the part in the play you wanted. Sometimes you have to continue to work at your craft and get it the next time. No different. Read the stories of the successful people in life who worked through adversities and that includes athletes. Being in the game means the game of life, too.

Anonymous said...

And, the best mathmematician may not ace the vocab/grammar part of the SAT and vice versa with a wordsmith. Only further proving that there are no easy solutions to any of this. Oh wait, yes there is, have your child play lacrosse instead.

Anonymous said...

ECNL appears to be looking to backfill at all costs. 2 more teams just added. Pittsburg Hounds and Tennessee. The obvious signs of a panicked league. If anything ECNL should go smaller to remain relevant. Not a good sign when things are being added on the fly.

Anonymous said...

Let's give them all a medal because they're all as good as the player next to them!
Go Hillary!
College will be free and who cares about recruiting!!!

Anonymous said...

its not about whether they ace it or not. Im paying for a service and that service includes playing. No one has said EQUAL time, there is a degree of earning more, but its not start from ZERO, that is nonsense. Last time i checked all the kids on a winning team get medals whether they played 10 mins or 80 mins , should we stop that as well and only celebrate those who play say 60mins or more? No one said they are as good, but they were good enough to be selected correct? The extremists on here are a joke. Blinded to what is fair and equitable. its the same mentality that allows coaches to mistreat the marginally weaker players. the message is - if it dos not impact my kid negatively, then its fair.

Anonymous said...

Some clubs will allow a player to ride a bench all year, take $3000 from them and cut them the following year. If your roster size is 22 at least 5 of those players are there to help cover costs! If a coach takes a player it should be because they are good enough to get some playing time.

Anonymous said...

10:15 thanks and 10:55 me too some good stuff

12:17 I agree. Let's say 4 players at $2,500 that's $10,000 on top of the $45,000 the ONE team brought to the table so a team of 22 brings $55,000 x 2 teams that's $110,000 per age a group x 10 age groups = 1.1 Million $ for 20 coaches (really less since some coach multiple teams) plus the admins an of course tournaments and field maint plus indoor rentals. To not play a KID is acceptable in your words? I don't care what they earn or don't earn. If you are not one of these in the $ then you are a big part of the problem pal. Again 1/3 of a game is not a lot to ask for $2,500.

And to my boy 10:59 How are the the top of the roster learning this? isn't it the opposite - it becomes expected regardless of execution similar to our WNT again?

Anonymous said...

12:40 here again not calling anyone out just speaking in general

Anonymous said...

I think all agree with you. If you aren't going to play someone, then don't take them. Will that crush your child or you is the issue? Some of this are the parents and their egos.

Someone used a teacher analogy. Well, as the education starts to go higher, i.e., high school and college, the classrooms and classes are determined by which kid can be best served by it. Right? Are AP classes filled with kids that didn't test into it? Nope. So are those teachers not doing their jobs because ALL the kids didn't fit into the rubric? Not at all. Some have it and some don't.

No one is saying that a coach should not attempt to develop a child; reach inside and try to get the best out of him or her. If you don't think you are getting the product for which you are paying, then go elsewhere. It's that simple. To accept what is going on tells me that you can't back up what you put in print anonymously. If my kid wasn't being developed or she wasn't enjoying her teenage years doing a sport, then I go elsewhere. It's that simple. THAT is what I don't understand. But, if the coach/club is up front and says hey, we will give you a spot, but she may see very little playing time unless she improves and you (as the adult) accept those terms, then the blame game ends with you.

Sometimes kids need to change their surroundings to thrive because they have already lost confidence in themselves. This isn't being blind to the struggles of a teenager, it is another suggestion as an avenue that may work. Go open your own Club! Create the place where all the kids go to play and develop.

Look if you aren't going to visit your kid in a hospital all the time; don't you think you are already ahead in the game? Just keep that in mind, too, that's all.

Anonymous said...

12:40 - 10:59 here. You don't know what the top part went through to get there. Maybe they sat on the bench with their previous team or were undervalued. They finally received an opportunity and took the most of it.

Anonymous said...

if you are accepted to AP classes the assumption is you are good enough. You receive the same class material and are tested the same. the fact that keeps getting lost is that you have been deemed good enough by the coach. Good enough to be practice fodder is unacceptable.

Anonymous said...

Okay so re the WAGS info posted. t/y. Is that only 1 ECNL team attending? VA part of the host club?

Anonymous said...

1250. you keep trying to make it about MY kid. its about what is fair. Would you have a different view on my opinion if my child was a YNT player and is developing nicely?

Anonymous said...

Doesn't mean you will be successful in your AP class, though. You could get a failing grade or withdraw. So just because you did all the right things to get in the door, doesn't guarantee anything except that you will get all the materials (practice sessions). The success of the child depends on the child and how hard he or she wants to work. No guarantees. This is exactly the point.

Anonymous said...

Probably the YNT kid is doing the extra work; hence the playing time; the recognition and the continued development.

Anonymous said...

126. Maybe the kid at the bottom of the roster is doing the same. Point is, playing is part of what you pay for. to think otherwise is crazy to me. So if the YNT kid is your yardstick, that means she should never come off the field right?

Anonymous said...

There seems to be a disconnect here. If the child/family of the child at the bottom of the roster is not complaining, then why are you? If they were promised something and it isn't happening, then THEY should take the necessary steps to remedy it (i.e., having a meeting with the coach; finding out if there is anything to do to help the situation; or leave or don't and as someone said "suck it up.").

As previously asked, who would that crush the child or the parent, if they moved on? Is this kid on the only team in the state?

Are you saying this child at the bottom of the roster is as good or better than the YNT kid? If that is the case, then there is a real issue on this team as far as talent recognition, including by USSF. Otherwise, I would not begrudge the kid who has been recognized for her special talent, but be happy that she is part of my team and helping to raise the level of play on it. Pretty sure my kid would feel that way, too.

Good luck in this process.

Anonymous said...

in youth soccer, withdrawal etc is also possible, BUT that should be by mutual acknowledgement that the coach made an error in assessment and the kid is overmatched. Failing for a player should be repeated failure to perform- WHEN GIVEN A FAIR CHANCE. You cannot fairly assess players in practice ONLY and you need to give players enough game time to show what they can do. if a kid is an AP class is struggling she goes back down , she is not just left there to rot and not taught.

Anonymous said...

2:38 No one is complaining - but you can't possibly be saying it's right? are you? They promissed development and if you read the webistes they all say play meaningful games, one might even call that false advertisement.

What makes the YNT player a YNT player? Playing all those minutes with the first team - I'm saying you don't know if the bottom of the roster player can do equal or better simple as that and either can you, because if they had reps with first team playing 50 minutes who are you to say they won't improve and the coached wouldn't know that either we are talking teenagers?

Anonymous said...

Yes, and they are called scrimmages or friendlies. Surely your clubs has those as well, right? Wouldn't they be good assessors, too? And, like AP after that assessment, if this kid is struggling with that particular team, then she should go to another team within or outside the club.

Anonymous said...

Where do you play that you have games already? Or is some of this speculative for the upcoming season? Exhausting for sure.

Anonymous said...

238 a fair well run team benefits ALL. it creates a positive environment. When the best players are quite willing to cede PT to others because they understand that everyone is working towards individual AND team goals that is the ideal. They realize that kid number 13 is working just as had as kid number 2 and they all deserve a chance to be recognized on game day with PT. So yes, it does impact my child. Kid #14 s effort can be an inspiration to kid #3 who may have more natural talent. I dont begrudge ANY of the kids PT, it sounds like you do.

You keep missing the point tho. In reality the difference between player 5 and 15 on many of these teams is negligible so the 30m minimum in a 80 m game is by no means compromising the result most of the time. The promise made should be implicit, not explicit.

there is no process, its just a discussion and so far a respectful one. My kid is just fine. ,I feel for families who dont get a fair shake on game day. its jut wrong.

Anonymous said...

3:09 - you realize that a good amount of YNT kids are seen outside of their club environment, too. USSF goes to all the various events (ODP, Regional games, etc.). And, I don't think they do a one and done assessment. They go to several.

I am not saying kids shouldn't play, but if you are told ahead of time and buy into it, then that's what you get. If you were told otherwise, then you can get out of the bill of goods sold to you.

Anonymous said...

3:20 - I don't begrudge any kid PT at all. I think it's silly to be on a team and not play, but some are okay with it.
It's not my job to interfere, if they are okay with it. I don't like those who say yes to something just to get on a team and then become disruptive because it is actually working out that way. That harms the entire team.

Anonymous said...

What about the kid who asked to be placed on a team that she and her parents were told would be great for her development as far as training, but very limited playing time in games? There was a full disclosure made. Now, game time comes around and the parents are making comments on the sidelines about lack of playing time and all of that. Is this fair for the rest of the team to be associated with this type of behavior? Is this fair for all the kids including that child because mommy and daddy are acting out? Surely the better option would have been for the child to be on a different team for playing time and the parents given muzzles.

Anonymous said...

I don't have an issue with anyone and their PT.

I just hate when kids get labled so young - My point is if take players 12 - to 18 based on the coaches evaluation and give them 50 minutes a game and allow them to make mistakes becasue that's how you get better right? You would see growth and development and some of them might even replace 1-11 the coach initially thought. But taht wouldn't be fair and i am cool with that. All I am saying is give 30 minutes 15 a half and allow them to grow. Instead we label these kids and it hurts me as a parent to watch - I almost feel guilty that some of them don't get a fair shot and they have skill (based on my soccer knowledge - i am a euro who grew up with the game).

The problem is rosters over 18 and i get it the club makes money for the same work. heck if the parents pay why not. I get it. But there is no way that creates a positive team environment you can say what ever you want. We are talking teens not college kids or Pros that get paid to sit.

Anonymous said...

3:50 - or you are on the US WNT and you don't get paid to play or sit. Sorry, had to throw that one in there. Carry on.

Anonymous said...

Scrimmages are not meaningful games. 30 m is not a lot to ask for. parents who accept that deal should ask for a discount in cost. They pay the same after all. Mom and Dad acting out is quite often because the so called arrangements you speak of are not clear. It is more evidence as to why a deal like that is in NO ONES best interest. Coaches and Clubs need to be held accountable for providing the service we pay for AND for producing results. That means making player 14 better as well.

Anonymous said...

3;59 - The wWNT players have a base salary ($72,000) that is supplemented by bonuses for winning games ($1,350 per win).

So you sit and you make 1,350 per win on top of your base.

They want more they want to be paid like the guys.

Anonymous said...

4:11 I agree so much - but the reality is we the parent will never do that. We actually killed the younger ones. We accepted it maybe not you or I but it is what it is.

Anonymous said...

4:37 - oh, i thought they didn't get paid if they tied and some friendlies were unpaid. t/y for the info.

Anonymous said...

No matter where you are on the roster, there is always room for improvement and continued development.

Anonymous said...

8/25 - 1:26 - oh and forgot to add, deserves the accolades earned. Congrats!

Anonymous said...

52 X 10 = 520 minutes for the starters

players 12-17 (18 is the keeper) - 30X 6 = 180

That is the 700 minutes


Keepers go 45-25 if they are not going 35-35 (of equal ability)

Now...these are guidelines - wont be exact

Our experience is something like this - except we had just one keeper and often just 16 players.

Each girl felt worthy of their position with the team - and 12-16 did not stay SET in stone.

Anonymous said...

http://www.fourfourtwo.com/us/news/hope-solo-suspended-uswnt-us-soccer-sweden-cowards-rio-2016-olympics#imGkU37uE2qi2dM7.99

contract terminated. Yikes!

Anonymous said...

Solo can be invited back

Will she?

We shall see

Hiring a PR person, as Lochte seems to have done, may be wise.

Anonymous said...

So NWSL status with Reign unclear too? According to reports, USSF contract covered that, too. Watch her play against Sky Blue previously. It was an amazing game.

Anonymous said...

[UPDATED 8:35 P.M.]: A spokesperson with the Seattle Reign responded to Excelle Sports’s email inquiry on Solo’s status with the team, saying: “We are speaking with Hope and representatives from U.S. Soccer, but have no further comment at this time.”

Anonymous said...

from ESPN W article:
"Yet there is a very good chance that Solo at 38 years old in 2019 will still be as good as any goalkeeper the United States has at its disposal. That's both a testament to her ability -- she really is a generation or two ahead of her time athletically -- and a less rosy assessment of the options on the horizon. The United States isn't going to cede much of an advantage to any other team in the world at the moment if it starts Alyssa Naeher or Ashlyn Harris. Both of the other keepers on the Olympic roster (Harris was an alternate) are excellent by any comparison to their peers. But neither came close to beating out Solo. It isn't an insult to say they aren't as good as Solo -- no one is." ESPN W

Anonymous said...

She should open a Club.

Anonymous said...

What kind of Club?

Anonymous said...

Ha. Touche'. Meant soccer.

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Anonymous said...

10.49
If Solo is that good, better than everyone else, why didn't she stop Sweden from winning in penalties? She can be replaced just like every other player. A hero has fallen.

Anonymous said...

Such a soccer savant you are. Sure blame the keeper when girls missed their shots. And, even Messi missed. Not as easy as it looks. But very rarely does anyone blame the keeper in PK's. And, she had a monster stop on a very tough upper 90 one. She's pretty good. Don't like her antics off field, but on field...she is money.

Are you sure you are on the correct blog. This is U17 not U10.

Anonymous said...

9:40 - clever

Anonymous said...

http://goalnation.com/u-s-soccer-terminates-hope-solos-contract/

Will be interesting to see how it all plays out. Lesson learned - after games best to just defer comments until you have had a chance to process everything; win or loss.

Anonymous said...

The playing time debate is not about individuals. People are asking questions such as "why would you care if it's not your daughter". For the people in the blog genuinely interested in soccer development it is clear that it is not beneficial to sit on a bench all of the time. At the younger ages it is essential that players are given the opportunity to implement skills acquired at practice. It is essential for a young player to get on the field and have the opportunity to make mistakes. If there are 5 players on each team at the elite clubs who are not getting on the field enough we are impeding the development and potential of these players.There maybe 2500 very good players who ride the bench each week across the country at some of the nations best "Academies". We are hindering the development of these players because a club needs $ or a coach needs a bigger roster to practice with. I have known coaches in the area who would roster a player to avoid them joining another club and then not provide that player with minutes on the field.

As a parent, if your daughter is at the bottom of a roster and not getting playing time you are not allowing your daughter to develop and reach full potential as a soccer player. If your daughter is on the field less than 50% of the time you should consider moving her to a program who will value her as a player and provide game minutes that will allow her to develop.

Have a good season. Don't waste an entire year watching your daughter sit. Ask the coach why she is not getting minutes. If you don't like the answer consider moving.

enjoy the upcoming season. Try to be more positive. Ensure that your daughter is on a team that they will get to play, that's what they love to do.

Anonymous said...

Beautifully put 804

Anonymous said...

8:04 - exactly.
And I have raised not if it isn't my child, but why aren't her parents taking action. It has to start with those directly affected; not the rest of the team.
And, yes, my child was in that situation. She moved and has progressed wonderfully (actually moved to a stronger program). Sometimes there are politics going on that it has nothing to do with your child's level of play, it has to do with other factors that you just can do anything about (a mom of a child who played her position asked the coach not to play my child because her child was with team longer and she had other kids in the club). We got it. In life, you have to pick your battles. And, that stuff exists as well.

So, see the writing on the wall, be willing to pull the plug. There are other options.

Anonymous said...

* other factors that you can not do anything about.

Anonymous said...

Oh and we were contacted during try-outs to come to other teams. It was very flattering, but absolutely not. She is quite happy where she is currently, her club, her coaches, her teammates. They are her soccer family.

Anonymous said...

I never would've thought a so called professional coach would listen to parents but I see it happen a lot. It's so sneaky and unacceptable. It can do so much damage does to a kid's psyche and self esteem.

Anonymous said...

August 27, 2016 at 11:57 AM

I saw it this past season. The moves were subtle at first but eventually you could see the transition. Basically the coach aligned with a few parents, and systemically limited playing time of players. Leading into the year the current 4 players were all starters and contributors. 4 new players came in, I would say the skillset of each was no better then what the team already had, they complimented the team in that they could play the position as well as anyone but did not stick out. The result of the season was more goals against, less goals for and a lower finish. One of the girls "committed" to a local school after her top schools recruited others at her position, It looked to some on the team that the coach would somehow benefit from the recruiting of these players or that was the promise that was made. Still waiting to see how he made out.

Anonymous said...

Unfortunately the game is about adults and money. Kids are generally an afterthought. If you follow the money, you will usually see where the favoritism begins and ends.

Anonymous said...

What are you saying? People are paying off coaches to get PT for their kids? Not at the reputable clubs. The DOC weigh in on playtime and in game personnel. Not happening there. maybe with the mom and pops. Get out if you think that.

Anonymous said...

@156 absolutely at reputable;e clubs. Parent spay for extra training, kid gets selected. Looks bad if the Clubs extra coaching is not leading to more PT. parent helps fund "scholarships" for other players. parent helps make "travel arrangements" for coach :) Flying commercial s such a drag.
The list goes on. Seen all this and more at big clubs.

Anonymous said...

The DOC at my daughter's old club showed really obvious favoritism. Even messed with my daughter's head giving her all these excuses as to why she was not allowed to play in games.
Who do you report abuse to when the DOC and owners are in on it? They think they can treat people however they want. That club will probably go out of business some day. Terrible customer service.

Anonymous said...

I saw a post that someone's relative must be running the web platform for ECNL. Agree. WTHeck? Brutal.
Games are up; changes in the divisions re teams.
How do you add profile info? Players listed alphabetically, by first name. So, the college coaches need to know these kids by their first names (not initially by position, number, or LAST name). Should be interesting.

Anonymous said...

ECNL are too busy adding teams. The bar to entry to so called elite soccer is incredibly low

Anonymous said...

The new adds are teams in areas where there are no ECNL clubs, right? Isn't this what they are doing now? And, those clubs probably have very good boys teams too for their new boys league addition.

Anonymous said...

dont see the link. ECNL is a girls league. Boys are separate.

Anonymous said...

Yes I wrote that possibility because the 'new site " is soooooo bad. There was nothing wrong with the old site it worked well. I suggested some questionable relationship possibly driving this decision because the link to this "TGS" site for player profiles. Seems odd to link to another company to be able to see profiles. Further this requires another password etc. Very stupid idea. The box score function doesn't work. When you click it the "map" (possibly a useful add and the only advantage I can find) blinks so there is some issue with the program. Didn't anyone test this program before they decided to use it? The decision is so bad and poorly thought out that one can only assume there was additional gain in switching the time tested platform with no real deficiency to this debacle.

Anonymous said...

ECNL are bring in boys teams. http://www.soccerwire.com/news/clubs/youth-boys/exclusive-ecnl-planning-to-expand-to-boys-youth-soccer-likely-by-fall-2017/

Anonymous said...

"The format and structure of the Elite National Premier League (ENPL), the new competition and development platform for boys collaboratively launched by US Club Soccer and the Elite Clubs National League (ECNL), is taking shape well ahead of the league’s August 2017 kick-off." ECNL website

Anonymous said...

10:19 - agree with you. It's awful.

Anonymous said...

yes, the ECNL has a boys so are all clubs AUTOMATICALLY enrolled in boys? I would doubt it

Anonymous said...

August 30, 2016 at 10:27 AM

There is so much confusion around recruiting that these allegiances keep popping up between clubs and CaptainU/TDS/SiNC, etc. It is all about getting money into the system. I liked the old ECNL website and now with the switch we need to figure out if all of the history is gone. To some extent it was nice to be able to look a the profiles and track back, see what teams are keeping (developing) players and what teams/clubs are revolving doors.

The speech we got from the DOC last year is "We are moving to a new recruiting website/partner and you get to put your profile in for free" what they did not say is that for any additional services you needed to break out your credit card. The sales pitch also included the asurance of coaches oversight, which number 1 never happened only to block certain girls from sending emails to colleges he thought were a stretch for the player, or totally ignoring a group of girls on the team (maybe all of them).

I am sure the ECNL has good intentions of providing a player database that college coaches can "Buy' into (I am thinking attendance at the ECNL events gets the coach a password). The ECNL/Clubs seem to be taking more and more control over players and driving a wedge to the parents. It's basically a "Never mind what's behind the curtain" we have your daughter's best interest in mind, just pay the fees and show up at the games.

Anonymous said...

"Buy into" as in getting coaches to come and browse? Or "buy into" as in charge coaches money to access information. Can't see how the NCAA would allow coaches to do the latter.

Anonymous said...

August 30, 2016 at 2:26 PM

Buy into as actually use it as a aid in their recruiting process.

Anonymous said...

ECNL will throw out all "minor" clubs who accepted the GDA spots. look for more ECNL clubs to be awarded in NYE/NJ as they throw out Alby/EM/matchfit/Penn Fusion. The Mega clubs that can legitimately field both top level A GDA and B ECNL teams will remain in an attempt to push back at the GDA hoping many of the GDA potential kids will elect ECNL level to keep playing HS. This probably will happen in the oldest age groups. They have already been offered the opportunity to keep their ECNL designation (PDA/FC Stars/breakers(NEFC). I think this is a great move along with the boys expansion to keep them relevant. They have done good things for girls development and exposure and there is clearly a niche for them below (and in some cases equal) to the GDA.

Anonymous said...

310. Please tell me what the ECNL has done for anything except exposure for themselves? I dont consider simply creating a bloated overpriced tournament profile a step fwd. The offer no consistency, no coaching standards, no facilities standards, no practice standards. What exactly dot eh ECNL offer? A chance to spend thousands on West Coast travel to be game fodder for teams from that part of the US? What pc of kids from the East Coast actually go to WC schools? Its not a great platform.

They have already been offered the opportunity to keep their ECNL designation (PDA/FC Stars/breakers(NEFC) Not sure how you include Breakers/NEFC. A newbie who has done zero. the others are on the board so no shock.

Anonymous said...

Interesting, but not sure how you arrived at your list which includes Matchfit and PF. Both have constantly produced YNT players and have had great success in the ECNL always making it to the nat'ls and have had great success with players and placement.

There are plenty of other teams that don't have the same success that they may bump out once the GDA's start. But I think they are going to take a wait and see approach. Which is why they are adding a boys league.

Anonymous said...

Yes, PF has had great success recruiting talented players once they reach 14 or 15 years of age. Just look at this year's 2002s and where they were last year.

Anonymous said...

MFit consistently recruits them. Not so sure about produce OR keep

Anonymous said...


Why do you think they have such success? Can only be because players believe the club and its coaches will set them up for best for their future in soccer and beyond.

I do think they will lose the ECNL in 2017 because they were not part of the mega club announcement a few weeks ago. The ECNL was careful to lock in PDA/Stars/BB (NEFC) because they knew their brands were necessary to make any argument, however weak, that the league was in the same ballpark for relevance as the GDA. Also that their B teams would continue to compete decently in the league. The PF NPL team is very weak compared to the ECNL team. That large delta in quality will not support the ECNL brand adequately. CFC will send it top couple of players to Penn Fusion for the GDA and PF will send its bubble players worried about PT to CFC for the ECNL. The leveling will take a few years, but will be faster than everyone anticipates.

Strong ECNL teams in underserved markets will remain. That's why they are carefully adding Pittsburgh, TN and NE teams. No GDA in OH north so Cleveland will be powerhouses in the ECNL. There will be areas of the country where the GDA teams will not all be superior to the ECNL teams, but not in the NE.

The USSF won't allow the HBC-USYSA model to survive. No JH going to u15 national camp anymore. Instead they will notify such a player that they have identified her through the NTC, but that she needs to be seen through the competitive lens of the GDA to make it to YNT camps. She will move in a nanosecond to have a chance at the gold ring.

Anonymous said...

@1251 MF do not retain the players. Also how many do they have who are consistently in Camps?

Anonymous said...

it is foolish to watch U14 U15 Camps too closely. This is the discovery phase and USSF should look at as many players as possible. By u16 and u17 you can see more consistency to who is invited, but even there, hard to read too much in to it. The one area I do agree is that unless you are a truly outstanding player , it will be hard to avoid going the GDA route IF NTs are something you desire. As players commit earlier and earlier, exposure stops being the key and playing for YNTS is the next level. Several 2019s and some 2020s are already off the board. Once the headliners go GDA, the rest will follow.

Anonymous said...

Agree if the best and well known kids matriculate to the GDA the great mass of very good players under the very top will go also. They believe they are just as good but for whatever reason aren't offered the same opportunity to shine. With a little time or change they will soon achieve headliner status if offered the same opportunity GDA to shine.

Anonymous said...

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/high_school/new_jersey/20160908_Eastern_s_Ali_gets_invite_to_U_S__women_s_national_soccer_team.html

Love it. USSF isn't only looking at DI and Power 5 it appears.

Anonymous said...

Whoops, my mistake. She's a Rutgers' recruit. Nonetheless, great job.

Anonymous said...

Confused. These are HS kids. Funny how all of a sudden its PDA kids getting call ups and no one comments about bias and favoritism :) If it was FC Stars ......

Anonymous said...

Hahaha. True.

Anonymous said...

PDA coaches are not assistants in the national program u18 so no favoritism there. Stars coach is an assistant to the u16 as is the Mi hawks coach there is favoritism/advantage conveyed there.

Anonymous said...

so PDA kids attending Rutgers are NOT getting any breaks? That is your contention? Hilarious.

Anonymous said...

i guess the only conclusion we can draw is that all PDAs best kids are going to Rutgers :) Strange coincidence I guess.

Anonymous said...

And many other top schools as well

Rutgers is a top program. Its to be expected that top ECNL kids in the local area attend.

Anonymous said...

@ 109

yes and FC Stars / Michigan hawks are top Clubs so no surprise or conspiracy when several kids represent out YNTs

Anonymous said...

no disrespect, but if Rutgers is a top destination for the best players in the youth game on the East Coast then why are we paying all these showcases on the West Coast. lets all play in the tri state. I think we can get our kids in there without soccer.

Anonymous said...

Watching the Thorns vs. Flash. Great game.

Anonymous said...

Yep. Flash looking to choke away a playoff spot to Seattle

Anonymous said...

How often do you see the top 25 soccer schools (even extend to top 50) at local tournaments scouting players? That would be never. There are only a few events from which these coaches believe they can accurately evaluate players. They believe they need to see attacking players score against well organized and skilled defenses and well trained keepers. They need to see midfielders keep possession under serious pressure and create chances against well organized and speedy defenses. They need to see defenders manage fast and skilled attacks. Etc. these guys have a few big events listed on their must see. Go to a big time west coast event and you will see all of the ACC SEC and Big 10. And they aren't just scouting he Californians.
That's said we have had the ACC SEC and big 10 at my kid's practices and home games. But that has been when they are close to a decision on a player. In fact one prominent ACC coach said that he had seen my kid play 40 games over 3 years. The last of which and the clincher was in San Diego. That's why most teams travel to these notable events.

Anonymous said...

your post assumes that these scenarios only exist at big events. ECNL is a joke in terms of the travel. We are paying to create the one stop shop for the coaches. What benefit is there to players who are already committed? AT man y of these events, the competition is "managed" some teams face weaker competition than they face in the reg season. The ECNL is a clearing house for players in the middle of the pack. Top end players are well known and the ECNL is not providing them with better competition per se. its teh same competition every year for most of the time.

As to your 40x comment. maybe in a special set of circumstances a coach would see a player 13x per year, but that is not typical. tbh, not sure why you even mentioned it.

Anonymous said...

http://www.topdrawersoccer.com/college-soccer-articles/ncaa-opts-to-relocate-womens-college-cup_aid40095

NCAA relocating various championship events (including soccer championship cup) from NC starting this year. Will this affect those going to CASL (teams and college coaches)?

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Anonymous said...

Okay adults this is a YOUTH soccer forum and please leave personal and political opinions off the board.

The question was trying to find out if anything thinks this will significantly decrease the amount of coaches and therefore the amount of teams attending.

Anonymous said...

How is the coach going to see a kid with enough frequency and at a high enough competition level to be able to judge whether she is a good fit unless there are consolidated national or at least regional level events? That the country is so big indeed presents challenges, but the consolidated events have merit for both ID and developmental purposes.

Anonymous said...

yes i am speaking from the perspective of a very high level player looking to play at the highest levels in college. The developmental and ID advantage of top competition remains for the national events despite a kids commitment status.

Anonymous said...

2:18
You'll be fine once you decide in which restroom you can sit down to pee

Anonymous said...

Sad to say, politics control youth soccer, whether you like it or not

Anonymous said...

September 14, 2016 at 11:53 AM

If you cant handle LGBT issues, then you may want to reconsider your involvement or your child's involvement in women sports.

Every team will have members of the LGBT community, with many kids coming out in college. Its not a big deal... everyone deals with it in a mature way. But, make no mistake... womens sports absolutely cater to the LGBT lobby... so if you can handle it... get the heck out of womens sports.

Anonymous said...

No stereotypes were used in the publication of the preceding post!
So you're saying I should be concerned if my daughter wants Megan Rapinoe's hair style?

Anonymous said...

430-432 no it does not. Travel =/= better. You can play 2 of the 4 U16 ECNL finalists, NEFC etc and not travel more than 3 hours. Or i can go all the way to San Diego and play worse teams. Travel =/= development. In reality, a kid already committed to a top program is simply traveling to act as a yardstick for others. I do not believe she is necessarily playing any better competition by doing so. Often she is playing shorter games on worse surfaces with worse refereeing and less rest/recovery.

I dont believe they have any real merit for the vast majority of players. They clearly have merit for coaches. The money spent on redundant travel could be used to add training or add more then one local fixture. Its a simple choice between parents paying to travel to coaches OR coaching staffs actually doing more work to ID players and paying for it themselves.

The money spent on travel could be spent to provide scholarships to lower income kids, could be used to broaden the pools etc, instead its just another barrier to entry. in the 10+ years my family has been involved in youth soccer, I can honestly count on the fingers of one hand the times a long journey has led to playing a better team than we could face in our own backyard and all of those instances were at least 3 years ago. We are in a hotbed of youth soccer for girls in the NE. We dont need to travel far t play the best teams. We dont need to go to California to find competition. its right here.

Anonymous said...

These are not just women's sports that are moving from NC. And, LGBT community is not exclusive male or female. And, hopefully, this generation is learning more about inclusiveness, tolerance and respect. Fingers crossed.

Anonymous said...

Interesting post 10:34. So, are you proposing maybe ECNL showcases that are regional (the teams in those regions attend) and then maybe a nat'l championship coming out of it? Certainly thought provoking.

Anonymous said...

Isn't there some other soccer organization that conducts regional championships that feed a national championship?

Anonymous said...

10:34 How can you make that statement unless you play the west coast teams to see you are better?

Also Showcase events are just that showcase events to get all the kids on the roster a good look even those low income families that scrap up the money for their kids to play.

1:31 Since ECNL is US club - I'll stick to the US Club model.

The National Cup has 6 regionals (pay to play) prior to a national title if US Club was smart they would have added the ECNL final 4 and NPL Champ/Finalist to the National Cup.

USYSA does just that 1:31 - State Championship >> regional championships >> national championship to play vs teams from their top league the USYSA NAtional league

Anonymous said...

Yes, but aren't all of these tiered within US Club. For instance, NPL is US Club, too, right? US Club has it's own championship. USYS does. ECNL, NPL do as well. What about EDP?

I think a national championship that takes the top 4 (or more) finishers in each would be great (granted NPL is stronger in some areas than others). Will never happen though as there will be mass exodus from one league to the next based on outcomes.

Anonymous said...

Oh, 1:42 you answered some of this already. Didn't see your post.

Anonymous said...

142 have attended these tournaments for years. The players dont suddenly change. Some improve, some dont. None improve from simply playing these events. Look at the U16 finals for the ECNL. PDA, FC stars, Crossfire and Real Colo. Does it actually matter if the team you play is better? I say not really. it all comes down to match ups. If you are a defender on a strong team playing a much weaker one, are you really being tested? is that worth flying across the country for? I actually want to see relatively EVEN match ups. Where kids are tested, but not totally overmatched. I see that every week locally in the ECNL. Why do i need to fly to San Diego to see more of the same? Personally, I dont care if there is a national final or not. I think there shoudl be far more regional programming and perhaps one national event for the teams coming out of the region. In reality few players go from the EC to the WC to play and vice versa. the ones that do are usually top level players beig recruited by big time programs. They dont need these showcase games. The YNT ones missed a lot of ECNL programming this year.

Im all for competition, im just dead set against the amount of travel because it is truly not needed if producing players is the goal. we are al essentially funding the coaches recruiting and the ECNL marketiing machiine

Anonymous said...

3:59 So why play any games? Jus have different Soccer Schools set up and let them play internally if it playing games don't matter. Soccer always comes to match ups my friend. One team will always have better talent - it's their job to use it and the other teams job to stop them and find away to steal one. That is the beauty of this game my friend. A team can play every one in the box if they don't match up and try to survive the assault just waiting for that one opportunity then it comes down to execution. At the higher levels all the the players can play they all can dribble, juggle or what ever you consider good soccer - the one difference is there will always be someone better unless your name is Messi, Ronaldo or a few others which most are not.

We all want to see even match ups - I want to see kids from Texas, CA, Cascadia, FL and other parts of the country to see how the game is played in other parts and the type of talent they have - this is why they play a World Cup to give the little one a shot. So your kid's team is great and their league is top shelf - good for you.

You may not care but I bet you the players do. Let me see ask your kid if she can play 3 games in her home town vs the best local teams or she can go to San Diego to play 3 teams she never played before - I know which my kid would pick and my wallet will not like it.

In a country as big as ours with over a million registered players travel is NEEDED to find the right players o we can just use your opinion and make the NT from players from your league.

1. GDA (needed from day 1)
2. ECNL and USYSA NL (must have options)
3. NPL and USYSA Regional Leagues (must have options)
4. EDP, NEP, CCL and others
5. Local travel leagues
6. Rec soccer

You need a pyramid for players to climb up as they improve and the only way to see how good an attacking player is playing vs a team that will make them use everything they know to break them down and that doesn't mean the best team.

Just my 2 cents

Anonymous said...

901 I agree for those in the top 3% of youth soccer. My kid is in that group so, for her, I have no argument. I don't think the masses need the national travel to develop into even lower level D1 RPI<150 players and bee identified by those same schools in their region. I personally think they made the DA too big. They should have kept it smaller and worked with the ECNL to augment regional DA games. Then have 3 national DA showcases in three diverse geographic locations rotated yearly. That would serve all the kids the best. BUt the ECNL and DA(USSF) are in a pissing match right now to be lost by the ECNL.

Anonymous said...

901 you are twisting words. The AMOUNT of travel is not needed. And no one said local. There is huge gap between NY metro area and California. You are simply ignoring the point and making up extremes to suit your argument. I was very clear. Regional competition augmented by far fewer National commitments. I dont believe that x country travel has improved play very much. Nor should it. if you want to have an adventure with your kids, thats great. But there is no real soccer benefit for anyone. Travel has ZERO to do with a pyramid. Quality determines that.
Find the right players for what? College? the NT? for what? you dont need to travel across the country to be "discovered"

I think you are way off in the belief that travel makes players better OR that you need to travel to play different teams of better quality. You can play boys teams of different ages , older teams, scrimmage with older better players. You can vary practice as much as you need. I beleive that every player can improve massively withing the right club WITHOUT excessive travel. I will be very interested to see how much x country travel is in the DA.

Anonymous said...

3:04 not twisting anything. We have a country of millions - i would never make a blanket statement that this region has the best of anything without seeing everything first and that would still be my opinion. Quality determines pyramid - Indeed and how do you know the quality isn't better in CA or TX? Because you watched a few teams play during one weekend in a year? I don't think travel makes players better - I think travel allows you to compare EC vs WC and in between.

So lets say everybody does what you say- then what?How do you know who the better players are if they aren't on the same field? Oh year one weekend in a year determines that.

9:23 Not sure why the ECNL is even trying to get into a pee contest with the DA - The USSF runs the show and they can do what ever they want and think benefits our NTs. Just like a coach or club can do what ever it wants to run itself to make sure they have the best product.

Oh 3:04 Why does the US Basketball team go to the Olympics and World Championships when we know who has the best league? Why do players go overseas to play and Euros come to the states to play? Besides money - to follow their dreams.

Options and you can only have options if you travel. We are not like the many countries in Europe that are about the same size as NJ we have 50 of those.

Anonymous said...

I'm sorry but what does who is best have to do with anything? Its irrelevant. you are mixing things up her massively. IF you are talking about picking the best, nothing stopping regional coaches recommending players and them getting together on the same filed to play. I don't care one bit about comparing the EC vs WC. That is the job of those who benefit from that to do. And they should PAY for it if they stand to gain from it. I fault to see the relevance of me to you determining who the best team are. Very few actually care who the best teams are. coaches recruit players. If they need a player, then fly and go see them. Its very simple really. Why you think its on the parents to pay to travel all over to determine the best players makes NO SENSE at all. If a kid wants to go to Duke, call the school . They can invest whatever they feel they need to to decide . They can also spend whatever they want to go recruit kids from wherever, they are the experts. If it is really about best vs best, then why even go to national events. How many best on best match ups are there? They would be better off then going to National TEAM events and watching those because that is more likely to be the best vs best.

Im sorry, but traveling to SD x2 and Fla to crown a champion has ZERO to do with player development.

Anonymous said...

could it possibly be that traveling across country to play games is fun and developmentally appropriate for some while staying local and playing is better for others? Could it possibly be that ECNL is good for some while Non-ECNL is good for others? Could it possibly be that high school soccer is good for some but not others? Could it possibly be that Android is good for some yet I Phone for others?

Anonymous said...

8:30 it's called TRAVEL sports - don't play if you don't want to travel your choice.

Anonymous said...

1035 - Its about the AMOUNT of travel and 1032, the benefit SOCCER wise. I have yet to see one credible SOCCER argument for the logic in traveling to SanDiego 2x and Florida. If the basic argument is, well travel is fun, then OK.

1035 - No one aid NO travel, they said better thought out travel WITH SOCCER benefits.

Anonymous said...

But you have a choice there are options that don't go to SD 2X and FL - you are complaining about an option that has done this for years this is not new this was part of their model from day 1.

You have a valid beef but you are also trying to change something that many people have bought into and that is my problem - you can say I am mixing things up as much as you want - I know what the options are and I made my choice based on my kid's input.

Anonymous said...

I check this blog every couple of days or so and read what is written and every day I laugh at the absurdity of all of it. It seems like it's the same few posters lately. Every wonder why? Probably bc the majority of soccer parents just want to have their players happy, developing, hopefully going to a good college, with as little debt as possible. Some may have aspirations of playing for the NT or maybe even go pro. While you few sit here and debate the merits of ecnl vs da vs non-ecnl and you pretty much put down any college program that may not be ranked in the top 25,50 or whatever number you decide to use this week. You may not say oh that program sucks but you insinuate that only "average" players go to those programs or that your Mia is going much higher. Guess what? The reason this board has gotten so slow is that very few people really care. My kid is a 2018 and by the time she is in her senior year would I seriously care to try and have her move to a da club or keep her on ecnl? For what? Let's be real here. While some may end up breaking into the nt pool most will not. So while I applaud your special Mia's how about you take your arguments over ecnl vs da and what not and post them on your fb wall while you are bragging about your player and probably annoying the crap out of anyone who sees your posts. You know who you are. The rest of us will be cheering on our players during their high school games then going to Disney or SD or wherever it is our club teams are going. Then in a couple of years we will travel to where our kids are going to college and cheer them on some more. And in 4 more years we will watch our players get that colllege diploma and move on with their life. And I'd be willing to bet that most of you and your Mia's will be doing the same and all of this will be a footnote in your lives. Hope you don't look back and find yourself foolish for arguing with strangers on the internet over it all!

Anonymous said...

Interesting stuff as always. If I could chime in, I don't believe that ECNL had quite as many traveling events previously. And, my understanding is that ECNL (original founder/commissioner ECNL) was hopeful that at some point some of the costs would be offset by sponsors/US Soccer. And then came along the DA. Ahhhh, business model shift.

Anonymous said...

10:35 .
Travelling to SD x2 and other parts of the country is good preperation for the travel and time management required to play college ball. It inspires the girls, my daughter loved the ECNL event in SD, loved how proffessional it was. The travel and bonding was fun also.
Playing in NJ, NT, and PA gets old at times.

Anonymous said...

11:20 amen! This board has gotten boring and predictable.

Anonymous said...

Of course it has, no Club soccer. No people bragging about winning this or winning that. Just boring conversations about how best to develop better players. Out of interest, what is a soccer blog for?

Anonymous said...

Seriously odd people complaining about posters choices to post their opinions. Others complaining about recycled topics. Then start a more interesting topic or do you have nothing to add except turning up your nose at others trying to participate in the discussion. Oh your topic is: I am smarter than all you other soccer people as I look down on your posts and opinions. Guess what you sound like the dumb*** you clearly are because you are spending your time and energy not only reading what you deem as worthless but posting on it. Or is the irony list on you of little brain.

Anonymous said...

921 Suggesting it could be made a lot better. ECNL seem to add more glitz every year but rarely if ever is that to actually benefit/help produce better players. For all the rhetoric I feel that is why the USSF moved to do its own thing. We give more money to hotels and airlines than we do to actually training our kids. Think about that.

Your post suggest we should just shut up because it has always been that way. I think there is nothing wrong with suggesting improvements. I don't believe producing better players was ever the ECNL goal. I think the aim is to provide a vehicle for Coaches to see as many players a possible in a series of single locations. The thinking behind it is that parents will pay to have their kids seen. When you read these blogs, you realize that many parent measure Clubs and Leagues by how many Coaches show up. Not sound thinking to me. It should be based on how well they develop and improve players.

Anonymous said...

Nice win USWNT. Tough U20 NTC Invitational 0-2-1. Some tweaking to do but hopeful they will work it out. Exciting soccer these days.

Anonymous said...

Any inside scoop on teams accepted to Disney?

Anonymous said...

1010 are you kidding?

U20s fail to score a single goal at home in 3 games and thats exciting? I woould hate to see boring. If you watched the games, then i think you would realize that a few tweaks is not the answer. It is amazing that you are forcing kids to redshirt for this. The quality of play i saw was a massive disappointment. Some of these so called high rated players are frankly overmatched and one dimensional. Once you set them a slightly diff problem in a game, they fail. They are one speed ahead and have almost zero creativity.

Anonymous said...

Disney :

https://events.gotsport.com/events/teamlist.aspx?eventid=52947

It says "teams accepted" but it might only be applied. Acceptance emails have been sent out to the teams (or at least some of them).

Anonymous said...

Have to like the look of Rutgers' Casey Murphy in net.

Also have to wonder how she is not a top 100 NCAA player (Top Drawer list of sophs to seniors). Certainly a poor omission there, in my opinion.

Anonymous said...

@9:10 - think positively. Hopefully they will work it out beforehand.

Anonymous said...

@9:36 -- that is only accepted teams, there are teams that applied that received rejections

Anonymous said...

Sorry forgot the last minute goal by Brazil
GD -3
910 I completely agree with your assessment. I don't believe the problem is with the available players in the US, I believe the problem is with the US soccer federation's selection of coaches who then select the players. They keep the same kids in the programming and choose early puberty robotic players. I see little artists out there at at u12-14. Where are they in US soccer? They don't fit into the "system". Well news flash, your system isn't working time to try some new ideas...French and Snow should have been fired after 2014 dismal results, and yet... there they are still choosing boring players playing boring soccer. Heinrichs feeding the u20s with her u18s is the same.

Looking forward to the U17s in a few weeks. Not any real creativity. The one kid showing it, Emina Ekic, was cut earlier in the cycle after a remarkable performance in the 2015 NTC. But they do have the straight ahead dribbling individual efforts of Sanchez, Tagliaferri, Kuhlmann and Pinto to point goals on the board. Let's see if they are able to break down the organized defenses that they will face. I thought they looked a lot poorer against Japan this year 2-2 draw (one an own goal) compared to their 20 2015 result in the same tournament. My estimation looking weaker not better. Is that because of a lack in development of because they choose kids who are too close to their ceiling rather in a more rapid development phase? They are talent selectors and not talent identifiers.

Anonymous said...

How about England? Pretty impressive their continued international growth in YNT as well as their Sr. NT. Women's soccer around the world is getting better. Good to see.

Anonymous said...

10:24 - Who is in their pool? Paraguay, Ghana and Japan. Should make semi's easily.

Anonymous said...

10:24 and when they don't w'll just make fun of style like we did of the swedes. The swedes knew we had better athletes so they packed it in and said beat us. A team that could move the ball and was creative would have scored.

The problem is you have coaches teaching the game that learned the game the same way the old school long ball game. So they teach players drills they just learned and want them to execute the drills exactly (robotic play) because any great athlete will fit in and if they get their thousands of touches a week they can play the robotic game that we see today. There is no creativity because they are not looking for those types of players I too saw them at the younger ages not sure where they went or what happened to them because as previous poster said it's all about the kids now but yet they are not around anymore it's the same type of player that passes the ball right back into pressure or passes the ball late becasue they wanted to dribble into space a little further.

Anonymous said...

10:29- oh yes, you got me, my little brain cannot comprehend the irony. It couldn't possibly be that I periodically check this board, hoping that there will actually be more discussion on anything other than the same babble about the DA vs ECNL, et al. While the first few conversations on the topic where interesting and informative, the continual arguing over it, becomes mundane.

You possibly missed the point I was trying to make, obviously I wasn't clear enough. It would seem as though for most, at this age and time in their development and recruitment, the switch to DA/ECNL is pretty much a moot point.

But I forgot that this board is really for only a select few, the rest of us will just have to go muddle through and play for lower ranked teams in college.

The topic regarding the high costs of travel at this stage in the game are interesting and could be something that would be thought-provoking.

I think it may just be that most people are done discussing anything relevant to others and this board is left to the same four people arguing their opinions.

Typically, I enjoy reading others' opinions....and then there's yours.





Anonymous said...

True looks good for getting out. However the African countries can be surprising. Not sure they will match well with a very athletic side. Time will tell. The Japanese dismantled them 5-0 a few months ago. That one likely won't end well. 17s have more chance to win. The US has never won a u17 WC. This team could make a name for itself.

Anonymous said...

in regards to Disney, does it really matter who applies since ECNL and NPL have their own tournament now and majority of the those teams attend their respective tournament. Disney is now watered down. Too many tournaments in same time frame.

Anonymous said...

Two recent draws with Brazil too in August (re U17) - 1-1 and 2-2 (? - i think). Should be fun.

Anonymous said...

1239 and there is the problem. You think winning a u17 WC makes a name for a player. US needs to use these events to continually find out more about more players with an eye to the future, not continue to invite the SAME players over and over again. Why is Summer Yates not on the team? Another question, if we are developing players and looking for growth, how can you participate in more than one cycle and NOT be a gteed headliner by now? I think the USSF should be looking at many more kids over the cycle and be de emphasizing some of the team development to try and get every deserving girl they can a look.

Anonymous said...

12:49 Disney has USYSA NL games and all the top NOn-ECNl Club NPL teams. The only teams going to the NPL Florida showcase are ECNL B teams. So the only teams not going are ECNL teams - explain watered down? Disney will always be great and you can even watch games on ESPN watered down? very funny.


1:03 I agree 100%.

Anonymous said...

Okay saw the post re Disney teams applied. Explains alot as there are a lot of teams in the link/list noted above in all of the age groups, including the older ones (which usually drops off) which is good to see. I guess this is a result of the new age groups/groupings. What a crazy soccer year this will be.

Anonymous said...

Something just came across my social media that USWNT could go on strike come January. Huh?

Anonymous said...

I know winning a u17 World Cup will make names for players. Who was on the last YNT World Cup champion team. FYI it was the 2012 u20s. Many of those players have had real wnt experience and some are regular starters. I agree with you on your opinion regarding the way the us soccer fed uses these events. curious as to why you bring up Summer Yates. Unusual that an easy coaster even knows who she is. But I agree she is a solid and creative player. I suspect the Feds don't think her ceiling is high enough. Maybe she will be like Luca Deza and not get a great look because she isn't the biggest fastest or strongest kid out there.

Anonymous said...

2:57pm -They could go on strike as they are seeking more equality in pay. The strike won't help anyone. The USWNT is the only team that generates any interest for female soccer. Women's pro-leagues fail and do not get the support. Without the national team playing womens soccer will continue to decline.

Anonymous said...

504

so some kids are considered high enough ceiling right till the last camp? ok. Have you seen the size of the kids on the team? Fast and strong is clearly not a prerequisite. You know who she is, why shouldn't I ?

Anonymous said...

So let me understand the USSF pays their NWSL salary and their USWNT salary and that's still not enough. How about they try to get the girls on their NWSL team more than 6k instead of them making more money.

They can all go on strike this is great opportunity for the USSF to get new blood on the team.

Anonymous said...

Traditionally, the USWNT seems to be fully aware of their role as an ambassador of the sport for all of the other womens' teams.

So, hopefully that mindset will prevail in their upcoming negotiations as well.

Anonymous said...

1:16 I think the USSF should get rid o fthem for that reason alone.

As i said they collect 2 checks from the USSF and give nothing to their NWSL teamates making 6k but yet they deserve more? They should fight for that extra money going to fund the rest of the NWSL and get those girls up to at least 30 to 50k they train with them and help them be the best in the world because without them we would have no NWSL and they would be in the work force like all of us or playing in Europe

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Anonymous said...

I guess you didn't understand what I meant. That they will also have the best interests of the NWSL (and other semi-pro leagues) teammates as well when then renegotiate.

Anonymous said...

If anyone knows, what are the salaries like for women's pro leagues internationally (if anyone knows)? And, I don't mean the exceptions like Horan (unless it's not).

Anonymous said...

Most of the clubs overseas provide an apartment and a car in addition to salary. It really depends on the league and the country. Some are paid better than others but almost all provide an apartment and car.

But if any of you are familiar with clubs from overseas, you don't always get paid on time and sometimes if at all. UEFA is cracking down on these clubs with sanctions but Europe is another animal.

3:04 I understood what you wrote - but the USNT wants to be paid the same as the guys nothing more. They can't have US leagues at heart becasue the women's game doesn't make money Just look at Sky blue are they above 2k yet (very sad). The USSF pays their NWSL salary and their USWNT salary. The USSF pays the USMNT salary and the MLS pays their league salary. The women are forgetting that the USSF is paying them twice and it just shows how greedy they are and who they are looking out for. They could care less about our kids making 6k to train with them and play, unless our kids make the WNT then they get a bump in salary or if the club gets more than 2k a game ande can afford to bump their salary.

Anonymous said...

Team Average Total Matches
1 Portland Thorns FC 16,945
2 Orlando Pride 8,933
3 Houston Dash 5,701
4 Seattle Reign FC 4,588
5 Western NY Flash 3,868
6 Washington Spirit 3,782
7 Boston Breakers 3,472
8 FC Kansas City 3,162
9 Chicago Red Stars 2,926
10 Sky Blue FC 1,982

Anonymous said...

Those are some really sad attendance numbers.

Bravo to Portland, Orlando & Houston for being over 5k

This is what needs to be fixed - not paying the 20 players on the WNT the same as their boy counterparts. Fight for that money gap to go to the league and not tho them then I'll take their back - but from what i read they just want to make the same money as the guys nothing more.

Anonymous said...

For years all I read on this board was NJ this and NJ that and they can't even support a team - how the hell is this team in last place when it comes to a draw?

Anonymous said...

I agree with you. The WNT needs to make sure ALL are included in any negotiations.

And, agree again. Sky Blue is a great team. We have been attending since NWSL started and have watched some epic games. Unfortunately, Rutgers is not a easy location to get to. I travel from PA to games (nearly 2 hrs each way). Rough in particular on a school night which we have done, on occasion.

We watch games on U-tube when we can't make (including other teams as well). The League needs to get television support, too; maybe it's own network (with sponsors). It's time.

Anonymous said...

Oh and thank you for the information re international play/pay.

Another idea would be NWSL champs vs. other international league champs. It's not a world cup as they are not national teams, but because it's not (and would have a hodge podge of various players that aren't playing for their country but their club).
Or an international all-star game.

How cool would games like those be?

Anonymous said...

* but because it's not it may get some big numbers in attendance.

Anonymous said...

U17 WC starts this week. US plays Paraguay (easiest game in the group for them most likely) on Saturday. Will be interesting to see how Ghana is against Japan. Two very different styles. Nigeria usually the best of the African countries. Good luck to our R1 kids!

Anonymous said...

Just the 2 Jersey kids, I believe - correct?

Top Drawer said the goalkeeper "made a late charge" to claim the third slot. Kudos to her and her family.

Anonymous said...

Is the WC girl from NJ or NY? Or are you just talking about location of clubs?

Anonymous said...

She is from NJ, plays for WC, but is on U16 Roster.

Anonymous said...

WC = World Cup or World Class

Anonymous said...

World Class Club team

Anonymous said...

Sept 21st 2:18

Its a shame that this is looked upon with such cynicism, but its hard not to. I dont see how an exhaustive 2 year system can fail to identify more kids ON age who are up to par. What does that say? Or how it can carry kids (Torres, Jones) for the entire cycle and drop them at the end. Or play kids on the U20s (Torres, Spaanstra) and drop them or have them fighting for minutes at unfamiliar positions. The US is a big country, but it does seem at times that California is the only state with top players and that they seem to be given the benefit of the doubt when it comes to this great word "development". The power clubs seem to be well represented as always and Mr Snow clearly gets to make decisions that no one questions. Like GK #3 who is good enough to make the WC team but not asked to attend any camps until the last one. How so? How many other players are out there who were just overlooked or not given the benefit of the doubt.

Anonymous said...

cant wait for the season to start,my kid has hit her prime lighting up the HS this year,watch out

Anonymous said...

Ugh. ignore the troll.

@2:40 - appreciate your insight. T/y

Anonymous said...

240
All true and great points. BJ Snow should have been dismissed after his team failed to qualify in 2014. This u17wnt team has some top talent, but I agree clearly not all the top talent. I do suspect he wishes to blame any possible failure to meet expectations with this team on "developing" the 01s and 00s. There is no doubt that most who know the age group across the country could put together a team of age pure 99s to compete with this U17 WNT. One would wonder why in fact that didn't happen? Wouldn't a great and cost effective prep for this team be competition against top Americans? BJ could then take a look at what he's potentially leaving behind before he takes his team to Jordan.

Clearly his judgement should be called into question for initially supporting some players and then tossing them away at the last minute. Moving kids in and out of the camps at least for the first year of the cycle would have offered the best look at the most players. Then over the last year begin to actually assemble a "team". In fact the "team" that looked most competitive was the 2015 NTC team that beat up on Japan. Hence I am not sure that all of the year long "team building is really necessary. A year later, an own goal saved them from defeat and Japan clearly had the better of the game. It won't be long until we discover, which team has better developed over the last 7 or so months since they last met.

The best evidence of our poor YNT selection is shown in cross referencing rosters from U20 and u23 WC teams. The U23s have been showcased and evaluated in the college game. The U20s are mostly left overs from the u17s. There is little commonality in these oldest rosters showing those that excel in college and playing on the u23s were often left out of all previous YNTs. Exceptions being those promoted to full WNT which tend to be those that excel at u20 WC events (Dunn, Brian, Sonnett).


I could go on regarding the failures of the USSF, but back to work.

Anonymous said...

Interesting commentary. Maybe that is why they moved forward so quickly trying to get the DA's up and running?

Anonymous said...

@154

im so glad you took my post the way it was intended. I congratulate all that made the team, but i do feel that the overriding ego of the coach is what seems to prevail with this group. He seems out to prove pints as opposed to picking the best team. You are 100pct correct on strategy. Evaluate multiple players and then whittle it down. It should be almost impossible to make a team from a single camp. it appears he took 5 Gks in and then had an open tryout for the last spot. meaning he had no idea up until team selection. As far as the kids that were let go, who knows what the reason was. If they were seasoned pros, it would be tough, but 16 yr old kids..must have been brutal on them. Ekic was another player who just disappeared. I thought both Japan and England out played the USA. I still think that they have players who can win the event, but I just dont really like his methods. The last camp really should be for tweaking , not selection.

Im sure he will get the u15 group next and start building, no matter the results. The Cali cartel appears to be pretty strong for both coaches and players. Amazing that you have a defense predominantly from one state and a heavy Cali flavor and the HC has UCLA ties .Shock.

Anonymous said...

Interesting. I heard differently. He didn't bring in 5 keepers for the U17 team. Two are on U16 and trained with U17. The only new GK add is most recent to U17; he previously only had 2 (like U16 still has 2). Except for the new addition, the others have been the same call ins for the past year.

Who knows all the workings behind the curtain. Just hope it all works out successfully for the team. Go USA!!!

Anonymous said...

All of these discussions are very interesting. Appreciate the insight. Thank you.

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