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Tuesday, May 16, 2017

U17 Girls Youth Soccer

This page is focused on Under 17 girls youth soccer, primarily in Region 1 but everyone is invited to share and post.

Teams face increased competition for the top players, (who are increasingly attending college showcases).

More teams consolidate and the best teams--academy soccer, club soccer and high school teams--battle to attract and retain the right player mix.

Stay tuned. This is bound to be good.

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Anonymous said...

Or maybe PF is worried PAC will now be the more dominate club moving forward in the future? They should be !

Anonymous said...

"Super competitive, toxic environment" mentioned above - beware of that. My daughter is in one, and wants out, which will happen. Although capable, she now does not want to pursue GDA, ECNL, etc. which she had started to do, but rather she wants to deescalate the soccer arms race to a level where she might be able to find the fun again. She was likely tracking D1, but now I will be surprised if she continues to play through the end of high school. This business is not cut out for everyone. A player can flame-out at anytime.

Anonymous said...

1:58 love it!
Comic relief of the day!
2:02
That's quite the shame. Was it a toxic "girl thing"? Or from coach etc...

Anonymous said...

She can still "track D1", 2:02 - even without playing club ball.

Attend some college ID sessions. The love for the game may be rekindled there. Girls - and coaches - on best behavior.

Good luck. You dont get to do it twice - so keep her going if you can

Anonymous said...

Love it 2:10
More of this on this blog....

Anonymous said...

8:48 - and a very good coach advocating on behalf of his club and players is a bad thing? News feed, it's exactly what members/players/parents want to happen. Btw - You sound bitter. Let it go Louie, let it go!

Anonymous said...

PAC parent 12:48 or PAC hater?

Anonymous said...

1246 no idea what you are talking about. Im talking about the so called best . The National Teams. Dont think Got Soccer has anything to do with that.

Anonymous said...

PAC got the GDA because of geography and Christian Pulisic/BDA. One just needs to look at the results for these teams to see the decline relative to their competition over the last couple years. No player or their family who left PAC for PF has sour grapes. They were developed there by some great coaches. They all played a lot and in prime CM positions. The player and competition level wasn't ultimately there for them to continue to develop at an ideal rate and the USYSA format did not provide an ideal venue for exposure. Simply they outgrew the teams.

Being the best kid on the team never is an optimal developmental scenario. They all were hugely successful after leaving. The facts are that PAC are starting at a lower level than PF for next year. That is unless the unlikely scenario that the central PA kids leave their PF teams for a relatively unknown PAC situation play out.

PAC will likely catch up over time with PF if they provide a good product to persuade the kids from continuing their drive eastward. I hope that PAC is successful and provide an excellent venue for player development and exposure in the future. It is my personal opinion that they are starting behind PF for next year. No my kid is not playing for or trying out for PAC; this is jmho.

Anonymous said...

1:58 - not sure why the debate about which club will get better players for it's GDA. What does it matter? Plenty of good soccer kids out there. You choose what best works for you.

It seems like there is more spin on this blog anymore than helpful insight. Just a day or so the debates that PF was not doing GDA from those in the know, allegedly. Spin, spin, spin.

Reading through the bs, seems like some people trying to pick their kids' teams when some leave for GDA. Just relax and enjoy the rest of their club playing time.

Anonymous said...

Competition brother
Looking for the angry parents so they can find the right club for their daughter :)
Great post 3:05
Must at least be local to PAC, or bored to look up at their stats

Anonymous said...

317 I agree 100pct. If the aim is development, no one should really care who else is on the team becasue they are all hand picked and above a certain standard right? It just goes to show that who wins the games is still the driver for most parents.

Anonymous said...

305 your hypothesis about best on a team assumes that top kids ONLY play in that environment. Thats not often the case. The real eltie player is often the best player on their Club team but probably trains with older , better players both male and female. Development is no limited to playing games on a Club team.

Anonymous said...

353 when do we get to see these "real" elite players. Are they getting scholarships to P5s? Will we see them in college? Or will they come out of the woodwork to tryout for the DA this spring and we will all be surprised? BTW several of the PAC->PF kids played/trained up and with boys.

317 what do you hope to get out of reading this blog? I don't get the holier than thou garbage you spew. I derive entertainment and potentially some information and enjoy other's insights on this site. The negative garbage I can do without.

317 that's exactly the point. Will there be a standard that is the same at PF and PAC? Or PDA and Cedar stars? and on on and on. I think there will be a big discrepancy in quality yet again just as it was beginning to even out in most of the ECNL. No I don't think enough players will be able to meet the "standard" as a result some, likely newer, teams will be populated with several substandard kids. The sub rules will work in favor of the teams that are less deep. Remains to be seen what the relative competitiveness turns out to be.

Anonymous said...

2:10 - Good insight.

Anonymous said...

Not sure why any of this matters long term . These girls will go to college , play some soccer , need some mental therapy ,get a degree , get married , have some kids , end of story ! Parents need to stop being delusional about your little Mias . It's really sad !

Anonymous said...

535 so what do you expect to gain reading this blog? Other than some perverse zing over lauding your ananomous superiority over other readers and posters. Better get some of your prophecied therapy since you clearly possess some serious pathology.

Anonymous said...

Well 4:17 - i see your post as negative. Some seem to be attempt to steer or manipulate. When the posts are more inflamatory than informative (when they were informative), something is wrong. Let's stay informative.

Anonymous said...

Don't you think most kids that are good and have played together will stay together? For instance, if you have played with or against older kids in your club; have a relationship with them; are good (talent a given in this), won't you most likely be chosen for GDA over an unknown?

Anonymous said...

601 clearly you are one of those parents . A therapists dream .

Anonymous said...


To the person the keeps using the word spin. Do you understand the meaning of spin, or to spin information? Nothing that has been written was spin. If a someone writes that PF has to choose GDA or ECNL how is that spin?? It was a fact that PF had to make a choice this week between GDA and ECNL. They went with GDA as most people thought they would. How is any of that spin??? I don't care about subject or whatever it is you people are writing about, but I haven't seen any example of spin.

Anonymous said...

I fully understand the use of the word and it's appropriate when the information is still being spewed out there that is incorrect, knowingly. Misinformation (intentional sometimes to make people think otherwise about their choices) is not cool. As someone posted, they probably read FB and believe info in it; propogate it; as well. I know someone reached out to my friend to try to get her daughter to leave PF to go to another GDA as a result. How many others? Spin and not cool.

Anonymous said...

What specifically are you talking about? What I read is clearly largely opinion and conjecture. I don't see much that claims to be authoritative. Isn't that the point of the blog. What I do see is a lot of people taking shots at others for contributing. Most of ehT I have read is entertaining. If you keep doing this there soon won't be any opinion or conjecture on here to which you can respond.

Anonymous said...

It is fair enough to "attack" a specific post's content. Attacking posters is unnecessary and will kill the blog . If someone puts forward- I think this will happen because... or other words that are the same thing then if you believe it and act on their opinion or conjecture that is on you. If such commentary prompts you to have a conversation with you doc as in -are you going to keep the ECNL or accept your DA spot so I can plan with my child accordingly. Then that's a positive outcome of reading the blogs. What you choose to do with the conjecture and opinion voiced here is your choice. Someone convinced in leaving a club to go to another based on information supplied here challenges belief.
The only evil intent here is in posts that try an pin motives on people by attacking the posters and their children. You don't know why anyone posts. There may be a few who get perverse entertainment by intentionally trying to put forward information that isn't true. But really that is only fodder for further discussion and really is just entertainment itself. You really believe at face value everything put on here and would make choices based on these discussions? When blogs go to personal attacks usually the legitimate posters go away and only the few problem people will be left. The entertainment and any information that may lead to useful discussions between parents and doc/ coaches will be no longer.

Anonymous said...

here's an interesting exercise for someone. look at the top teams listed on got soccer. See how many are ECNL teams (sometimes it doesn't say specifically) look at the non ECNL teams history and see how they do when they play ECNL teams. Look how many are actually ECNL B teams (SAC United) The collection of talent has shifted substantially to the ECNL. How much will shift to the DA?

Anonymous said...

Are you serious? Nobody pays attention to GotSoccer points. ECNL teams don't play their full teams in non-ECNL showcases. Committed kids generally don't play; most times. This argument has been overplayed for years. Check the college committments and the NWSL drafts.

Anonymous said...

I think that is what the poster is saying. Btw MNT game not too bad. Nice win.

Anonymous said...

1056 the post isn't to the points its to the results. Got soccer is useful to see how the teams stack up against each other and like opponents

Anonymous said...

And by the way, the post says to compare results not points. The point of the post was to say that objectively, the ECNL has been largely (not completely as no aggregation will ever be) successful in aggregating talent.

Anonymous said...

Feb 3 417

Most of the kids I'm referring to already have commitments for Colleges. There is a misunderstanding that development is confined to Club practices. Its not and Im not referring to pirate lessons. If a kid wants to practice more, at most Clubs she can.

Anonymous said...

Hahahaha...I'm assuming you meant private lessons, not pirate lessons. Ar ar! :)

Anonymous said...

8:03 - agreed most of the top players invest in lessons outside of club as well. I wonder if that will change with the GDA since it's more development. Hmmmmm.

Anonymous said...

11:39 - agreed.

Anonymous said...

803 what are you referring to?
First you say development isn't confined to club practices. Ok that's obvious. Then you say but the kids can get more practices within the club. Ok on that too. My kid trains with older kids and sometimes plays with them and also trains with boys. Ok with you there too. But still not seeing your original point which was what exactly?

Anonymous said...

Dont have them play competitively with boys at older ages.

Asking for trouble

Anonymous said...

410 am the point was in ref to people who think that development is limited to the x days a week currently offered by the current Club with players of the same team/ age. A lot of comments int the last week or so seem to think GDA is going to revolutionize development by offering one extra practice. My point is that the extra commitment the DA is institutionalizing is already what many dedicated players do. i.e. no real changes for the very player they are targeting.

If you child is dedicated to the sport then I am not convinced that the DA is much of a change if any.

Anonymous said...

It's not just the add'l day of practice, but what they can do in the practices. Instead of going over and over things that some aren't getting, they can move the team forward with higher level drills, more film, more situational training, etc.

Anonymous said...

1212 Except the DA has NOTHING to do with team. Its all about individual development. This whole thing is being set up by the USSF to find a handful of special players across the nation. As more and more Clubs have meetings to roll out their plans, it also becomes clear that there are some myths out there.

1. its not necessarily cheaper than ECNL.
2.HS soccer is not really allowed.
3.Travel looks worse given the one game per weekend set up

I still dont see what it really adds. Its a program for kids who really want to be full time soccer in and environment where full time soccer has almost no additional benefits.

Anonymous said...

My guess is you speculators(DA haters) also lost money last night

Anonymous said...

Received the email this past weekend. No merger between CFC and PF. Both clubs will continue to serve the soccer community with the high standards currently in place as individual clubs.

Anonymous said...

825 Im not a DA hater. I would love it to be successful in it stated goals, I just dont see how it can be in the current set up. To work properly, you need a thriving Womens pro league and Clubs willing to pay to develop young players . Right now there is no reason for a GDA. It adds nothing transformational to the current landscape. USSF could spend the same amount of money on full time staff scouting existing leagues, or doing more Regional camps. This whole thing feels like a huge reaction to satisfy the ego of a few people. Really look at it. What are teh significant prgramming / developmental differences to the ECNL ?

No Reentry vs Hal rules - Could argue that any system that gets more kids playing time is better in the Dev phase

One game per week vs 2 - less is better, but interesting that the rules go out the window come tournament time

Better practice to game ratio - Im not sure that this will be the case at all Clubs. At some the practice to game ratio will not change at all.

Thats about it. There may be a few new coaches, but I doubt many. There will be kids who decide to play HS and therefore dilute the pool.

Im not a hater, Im just looking at it objectively. I would love someone else to point out any major differences I have missed.

Anonymous said...

2:10 & 5:35 - Amen! I have said it before on this blog. I used to find it filled with great information. Then it became filled with such soccer "superiority" that it became monotonous. I switched to a different soccer blog with more college info.

4:17- This post is just laughable. The discussion on whether one believes the GDA will be worthwhile vs ECNL and some conjecture is great. Constant posting over the same discussion filled with opinions on clubs, etc, gets old.

What I hope to get out of this blog is useful information. And sadly, there is not that much of it anymore. I check in every other week or so hoping it would change, but sadly it hasn't. What I find most amazing, is that most of the kids who are playing at a high level are seeking out college recruitment. That is what I would like to see on this blog. If they are already committed, then continuing their development is key so they are ready to play at the collegiate level. IMO they can do that in either league ECNL, GDA, whatever.

If this blog was for younger aged players, then the conjecture and opinions on what is better would definitely be more helpful. But at the age that this blog is supposed to be about, we are talking about ONE year.



Anonymous said...

The entertainment factor has taken over
I also read those posts as instigating and waiting for the type of replies that will follow.

Anonymous said...

7:59 - so noted. It doesn't suit you/your child. Not for everyone. Don't begrudge those who are interested in pursuing it.

Anonymous said...

9:24 - Amen. It was interesting to see how many were speculating about the default of the GDA and which teams would be backing out, etc. Pat's, Cubs, Cavs, Leicester City, FC - the sporting gods are saying don't count anything out anymore. Longshots are vogue.

Anonymous said...

924 . Blogs are a function of contributions. I would say more for debate than for dissemination of information, If you want a topic that interest you, then you could always start one. The GDA debate is interesting to me, more becasue very few on here are actually debating anything. My issue is that every opinion is interpreted with a personal slant that often is just not there. Whether our kids do it or not, there are certain facts that are coming to light that are very different from the initial perception. I believed that kids would go to the GDA when faced with a choice simply becasue of cost. It was initially a big selling point from the USSF. It was often cited that the boys was free. I dont think this is the case at many Clubs. Its interesting to note that some DFAs will be free and others may be more than the equivalent ECNL offering. Thats news to me.

We then heard that HS was grandfathered. Its not.

I still thin that several Clubs are debating the pros and cons of doing the GDA.

Anonymous said...

Speaking for us here lately...I posted about our factual experiences with recruiting only to be belittled by others with different experiences.
If only parents would understand there's no "mold" to this recruiting thing.
Just do what you can, when you can, if you can and do your best!
Not about you but about your daughter's future!

Anonymous said...

It may be one year for you, but it is 2 for many of us and they are a crucial two years.
The recruiting thing is different based on the players abilities, recruitability, academic aspirations and soccer aspirations. It is highly personal and there is no one size fits all.

The highest level kids are being recruited into the power 5. They may or may not have soccer aspirations beyond college. Most of the lower level kids see soccer as a great character building activity that they love and may help them become better people and even gain entry into a school which would be challenging for them on other merit alone. all great aspects of the youth soccer experience.

I have one of each type and all information has been largely helpful. thanks to the contributers.

Anonymous said...

11:45 I completely understand. That is the reason I have not frequented this blog as often. One would think reading this blog that every parent on here has a NT caliber player. We all know that isn't true but it certainly appears that way.

11:44 thank you for the lesson on blogs, I wasn't aware..... My point is that there are so many readers of this blog, I know I am not the only one that has been turned off by the vocal minority. Maybe if people weren't made to feel less when they truly are just looking for their soccer kids to grow as a player, attend college, play some soccer and then proceed with the rest of their lives. I am sure these are talented players we are talking about. But I know the atmosphere on this blog is very "soccer-uppity".

No offense to anyone, but we all know there are very few truly elite players.....talented, definitely! But truly elite...not as many. Shame all those parents don't always feel welcome to post.

Anonymous said...

116 . They do. Problem is no one is going to start a post wit. My kid is elite.. I have posted several things i know first hand from direct NT experience only to be told by other that its not true :) AS a parent of a kid who like all the others is just trying top do her best on the field and in the classroom, I dont take any of this stuff personally. I know where my kid stacks up and I know the challenges she faces. Does not mean that others face the same.

I think that people read posts in very different ways. What i see as factual you may see as condescending. etc. I think its rarely intended that way.

I dont see it as soccer uppity at all really, just everyone's level and experiences are different and with no context, its hard to relate It would be a lot better if every post was accompanied by - Parent of ECNL player or Parent of NPL starter etc. Wont happen becasue people like the anonymity...Unless your name is Eric Harris

Anonymous said...

ECNL are allowing pda and stars MA to keep ECNL and DA. They are the only clubs deep enough to play both. PF and MF had to choose between the 2 leagues.

Anonymous said...

Ah, not true. There are other clubs that have depth as well. Don't you think it's because BOTH of their directors are on the Board. http://www.eliteclubsnationalleague.com/about-ecnl/leadership/

Seems like a conflict of interest to me. I would challenge the validity of that decision for sure.

Anonymous said...

Oh my "not true" comment was toward ECNL not toward the poster. Instead of embracing the change, ECNL wants to try to take on USSF.

Anonymous said...

Agreed. Sounds like they are limiting commerce. Who do they think they are the NFL and have congressional approval for a limited monopoly? I forsee some legal challenges down the road.

Anonymous said...

Having watched the NPL teams of PF and MF I don't think they are good enough to put out a quality team in both DA and ECNL without further recruitment. There maybe other clubs that are deep enough, I don't know, I was just providing information.

Anonymous said...

That is a strange measuring stick. No predicting how a new ECNL squad would fare. You know some kids don't make a current ECNL team because the slots are filled and move elsewhere. If there were spots, then they would stay. So, now, there will be spots and some kids will be moved up or over (from other ECNL teams that don't want to play GDA not that they couldn't). How many people turned to another show in the 3rd quarter of yesterday's SB game? Why not let it play out for a year?

Anonymous said...

I am in an ECNL club. We have kids wanting to come out all the time. And, you would get more because you have the carrot stick of GDA as a possible goal. Silly stuff. ECNL should respect the clubs that helped it reach it's pinnacle and give them the opportunity. Sounds punitive.

Anonymous said...

7:41 - what's wrong with add'l recruiting to fill in spots (as the above people have noted)? That is how it works especially at this age. When the word goes out that this team or that team has spots to fill, kids that were looking to move and waiting for an opening then do so.

Anonymous said...

Are some of you saying that existing ECNL girls would go GDA instead?
I don't see that for players with roster spots 1-16. Maybe for spots 17-24+

Anonymous said...

I don't agree roster 1-5 ECNL kids are hoping to stay in or get a sniff at national pool. They will have no reservations in joining GDA. They will open ECNL spots for others inside or outside the club. The 5-18 who love High school and aren't important enough for the clubs to allow to join after HS season will have to make a choice. many will choose High school especially if seniors. They may in fact help fill rosters of clubs with both GDA as there will be available roster spots on ECNL as the best move up. They may make up roster 1-5 instead of 5-18 in that scenario.

Anonymous said...

You forgot roster 18-24+, gotta make money
Roster 1-5 are already committed. Wonder what future college coach recommends they play? ecnl or gda?

Eric Harris said...

@feb 6, 3:26pm.........to funny

Eric Harris

Anonymous said...

a 10 month season makes this inconvenient for College coaches. Its funny the way people just assume interchangeability between GDA players and current ECNL ones. All adds substance to my claim that there is almost no difference in the ability required to play in either one. So once again, if the players are essentially the same then what difference does it make if we call it ECNL or GDA or ABC ?

lets play the results game. At some of the Clubs that have both, the deciding fator iin a best of three series between the top GDA team or top ECNL team my solely rest on whether one or 2 top kids decide to play HS or not. Think about that.

Anonymous said...

Good read and interesting how the field is changing...

http://www.blackandredunited.com/youth-development/2017/2/6/14526454/washington-spirit-girls-development-academy-bryc-loudoun-arlington-soccer-nwsl

Anonymous said...

7:47

I think you are off base

It wont be for every family but a good percentage of what you call the "top" ECNL players (I dont distinguish rostered players from one another) will indeed be playing Academy soccer in the fall - or in November at the latest.

The tricky part - as has been described here - will be running sessions in the fall MINUS the HS players - and mixing them in after the HS season finishes

But I'd expect the teams to manage it in some way.

Anonymous said...

By the way - I'd recommend that you tell the Academy team up front if your daughter is not planning to play HS soccer if accepted. They'd love this - in order to plan ahead.

Anonymous said...

11:29 off base? I thought I was asking a question
The HS play is not going to be accepted, no matter what all the rumors and wishes are.
Plus, do you really think the girls that would choose HS soccer will have an even playing field once they join?
Are you familiar with the ecnl roster? Have you talked to the girls that seldom or never see the game field? "You" may not look at player rankings, but they're there

Anonymous said...


There won't be a high school option for GDA players. Boys DA were told they had to pick. The same will happen with the girls.

Anonymous said...

1240 100 pct correct. You can pick HS and hope there is a spot for you when HS ends,but you will not be allowed to attend GDA practices and cannot be part of it.This may be a non issue for teams that do not have enough players. Or for teams who intend to roster the max numbers but if I were a kid who had decided to do GDA, I cant say i will be happy if some kids parachute in and start taking time away from those who have committed full time. I expect anyone who tries to do both will be hit hard by the USSF and the other members.

Anonymous said...

A general question to parents of kids currently playing in the ECNL.

WHY do you want to be part of the GDA if indeed you do?

Anonymous said...

You can't pick high school and then shoot for a spot in the spring. DA programs won't do it. You are either in or out. USSF might give an option, but it is one that quality DA programs don't take. It causes way too many problems.

Anonymous said...

My kid wants to do GDA because High school soccer is crap and she wants to make sure she is as good as she can be for college. She is committed to a top power 5 and is a top player on her ECNL team. Not crazy for her to hope to get a national look someday.

Anonymous said...

407 Did she consider not playing HS soccer pre GDA ?

Anonymous said...

yes didn't play in ninth grade because was young enough to play u14. Played next 2 years because really wasn't a decent option to continue to train.

Anonymous said...

http://www.pennfusion.org/DA/index_E.html

Anonymous said...

4:07 I agree with you - forget the HS soccer thing for a bit, for some girls that's a game changer I get. My girl loves it and her team almost as much as her club team and they are not a very good HS team middle to bottom of the table. That will be enough for some kids to skip GDA and that'son them.

Just remember this age group is filling YNT player pools not NT player pools. When they go to college and if they play D1 and stand out they will be on the radar. There are not many teenage girls that get a full NT look. At the youth ages they go by what the coaches say as they get older they have D1 stats and every game is on film.

So I hope she keeps dreaming, pushing herself to the edge and develops those skills because the player pool gets a lot bigger when she gets to college gone will be the days of the club coaching helping the way for some it will be all on the players for everyone to see.

Anonymous said...

8;17 here again - when I say club coach helping - what I am saying is that the coach can't push the entire team even if everyone is great he still has to make a selection and push only a few based on his/her opinion. Nothing wrong with that just a fact.

Anonymous said...

8:17 - Good points. Just like you said, though, the college pool gets bigger. The GDA will be a smaller pool for her to catch someone's eye as the YNT pool has a pyramid as well.

Anonymous said...

825 ..may I ask how you know this?

Anonymous said...

817 the foundations a player lays when young usually determine the path they take. The problem with many of the comments here are they seem to assume that you can "catch up". In an ideal soccer world you cant. a year invested at years old is worth far more than a year invested at 17.

In the current US soccer world, it is possible to catch up because , quite frankly, the technical standards here are pretty low. Athletic late developers can catch up to the pack with a bit of effort. becasue we are not collectively investing much in our kids at a younger age. The GDA in time may well change that if its done right.



Anonymous said...

8:40 - I agree with that poster, too. Playing against like aged/similar players may be a lot easier to stand out than a college fresh playing a seasoned college 5th yr. senior.

Anonymous said...

@8:57 - yes, some kids may not see substantial playing time until late soph/jr. year in college in some programs. Why not take advantage of the here and now, if this is what you want?

Anonymous said...

Saw the PF ID dates
Does anyone know if Classics will hold ID for outside players? They mention it on site but it's been a while...

Anonymous said...

Contact their DOC and find out?

Anonymous said...

:)
My guess is that was a question for local classic people

Anonymous said...

9:00 No one is saying don't take advantage. I'm saying this is YNT not NT the player pool will have the YNT player pool plus D1 college players that were also in the YNT player pools but are older. Let's not forget the NWSL and semi-pro leagues that put players in the NT pool.

8:47 done right or not the people on top picking the team is all that matters.They will look for players that fit their style and with a huge player pool very easy to get lost. Just look at our NT for how long did we have the same faces, I doubt that we had no one to take their place - the staff selecting didn't want change.

Anonymous said...

1122 I agree. My kid is an unusual player and does not fit in all systems- the current one specifically. But there is much time left in her career for a change of guard and a we hope for a change to a more sophisticated Brazilian type Samba, the style in which she excels. So whether or not she makes it to the WNT or not, she wishes, now, to position herself as favorably as possible to achieve her goals. The GDA will do that because for years forward, the USSF will be trying to prove its success and pulling kids up with GDA histories will be a political advantage. Not one necessarily that will rule the day, but an advantage none the less.

Anonymous said...

Completely agree that the YNT call ups and staying power are highly politically dependent. However, I also think that to some extent the college age YNT and WNT are not without their reliance on political advantage and if your child has goals including WNT camps, it is important to play the politics as she can.

Some colleges are pipelines while others the kid has to be even more dominant to catch a break. UVA, PSU/Wisconsin, Stanford, UCLA, UNC are the obvious ones. Swanson sits on the bench with Ellis. Brian is great, but there was a UVA advantage conveyed to her clearly. Would she have been as successful coming out of South Carolina? Would Savannah McKaskill have a cap by now if she went to one of the favored colleges? College does help level the playing field. However, some of the advantage from YNT politics carries over to college too. Who have these colleges committed for 2018? Pretty much all YNT players...

Will be great to see how Cromwell does with her uber attacking roster this year. I love Flemming. My kid is trying to model her game in parallel to her. Flemming will have more options and will have less defensive attention directed to her this year. Will Pugh and Sanchez blow away the competition? They certainly didn't in the u20 WC, but they didn't have a Flemming behind them pulling the strings.

Will be fun to watch. I appreciate your comments on the YNT situations thanks.

Anonymous said...

I think Ms Brian and her 186 high school goals and 4 state titles were on the US radar - even had she gone to S Carolina.

Played HS basketball as well - imagine that, DA, no HS ball lovers. (Was All State as well)

Anonymous said...

McCaskill? I dont know - has she not had a chance to prove herself nationally? What has she attended?

Tyler Lussi went to Princeton - she is now in a camp, looking to further impress. Takes all avenues to create a team.

Anonymous said...

DA does not stop you from playing winter sports
Not factual

Anonymous said...

1222 and others. I think you are over complicating this greatly. Brain was on the radar before she set foot on the UVA campus. She changed her commitment as well if I recall. You ignore eh basic facts that the schools you mention historically attract the best players. Its that simple. They offer a blend of soccer, academics and exposure that most other schools cannot compete with. So if many of the best youth players go to those schools and work with some of the best coaches then surely they are likely to emerge in the pros and on the full NT.

1206 There are many skillful and creative players in the YNT set up. I dont think that the USSF gets all of the players who deserve a look a chance, but I dont think its a "sty;e" thing as you mention. Too much focus is being given to where a kid plays as opposed to how. USSF are going to follow he best players (in their view) wherever they play.

There is politics involved in almost every selection for anything, but I feel becasue so many parents are invested in their child, there is a tendency to overdo it. Rest assured that all you can do is hope that your child has the drive, passion and talent to follow whatever path she chooses and givers herself the best chance to achieve it - that has ZERO to do with a GDA or ECNL or any league. Thats on her with your support.

Good Luck - its not easy and there is a lot of disappointment along the way

Anonymous said...

203 where were the creative players in Jordan and new Guinea?

Anonymous said...

i said ...

There are many skillful and creative players in the YNT set up.

there are. Pugh , Sanchez, Summer Yates, Sophie Smith, Rachel Jones all spring to mind.

Combining players on the field to be effective vs all types of opponents is a totally different question. Its also why I dont buy this argument about how a change in philosophy is better or worse . the object of the game is to score goals. How you do that efficiently is not relevant to me. It may be important to some to do that with a certain style, but not to me.

Player like Dunn , Morgan, even Lloyd are scoring at the international level without being particularly technical or pleasing on the eye.

The US failure in WCs has revolved around the inability to play an effective style collectively, not the lack of creative players.

Anonymous said...

Creative in soccer definition to me is finding unexpected solutions to problems encountered on the field. The unexpectedness often involves utilizing unusually advanced technique and gives rise to entertainment also. Creative soccer is generally more entertaining to most people. That is one of the reasons we fail in marketing woso: too little entertainment.
I think Yates might be creative at some level, but I think she is going to be too small and slow to compete in the full WNT. Pugh is not creative at all. She is very athletic and expected. Sanchez the same by and large. Jones is an early maturing kid who has a low ceiling not even sure how she made this discussion. Smith is interesting. wasn't on the field enough in the u17 wc to get a great feel, but she did clearly have an impact. One to watch.

Anonymous said...

No one is saying that Morgan is not a great player, but luck folds into great success. I love these guys and have a premier coaching membership with them. They are the coaches of the LA Galaxy U14 DA team and have put a ton of kids into YNT. They came into the spotlight when the videos of their U11 and Barcelona USA "possession soccer" went viral a few years ago. They sent Ben Lederman to Barcelona.

This is a great post;

http://blog.3four3.com/2012/11/29/soccer-matters-of-circumstance/

Anonymous said...

1:48 - I don't think M Brian's hs stats would have any relevance in 2017. You are going back 5+ years in a sport that changes what they want every year. Back in that day, coaches would actually stop out to a high school game and check out talent. The numbers that played high level skilled soccer are not anywhere close to what they are today.

So, playing other sports are great, but not sure it will get anyone a darling nod anymore. A few years back, UNC won lacrosse DI title and one of their girls played on soccer as well. Next year, lacrosse only.

My older kids were multi-sport college athletes (DI; full rides). That doesn't happen too often anymore. And yes, one sport contributed more so if an opt out had to occur, that sport was the #1. Kids are steered to specialize very early anymore. I am not a fan, but that is the landscape in nearly every sport.

That is why USSF could care less about hs. It has zero meaning. Every M. Pugh didn't play all 4 years. She stopped after 3 years and only played on occasion in her soph or jr year due to her YNT commitments.

Shame, but that is the way it is for most sports.

Anonymous said...

1:51 - McCaskill was invited to the U23 and then invited up to the Sr. team for a few days this past January.

Anonymous said...

"That was an ATHLETIC move, not a creative one"

Just such silly talk.

Anonymous said...

1:51 - as did Midge P from Harvard. Drafted to NWSL and invite, again, to nat'l camp.
I like what is happening. Patriot League girl (Boston U) was invited to NT camps w/ U19 and over to New Zealand.

This is what is so great. Not just P5 getting the looks anymore.

Anonymous said...

334 I did not say Morgan is great. In fact I dont think she is.

Anonymous said...

Its PLAYERS getting the look, its not P5 or Patriot . I think the school is largely irrelevant. Purce was a youth international seh has been on the radar for a long long time.

Anonymous said...

4:15 - agreed.

Anonymous said...

407 Amen. Its either effective or its not.

301 We are all entitled to our own view of what is creative, but what are we trying to create? Opportunities to score goals would be one thing. All the players i listed achieve that in ways I consider creative. Solving problems often requires teammates who can anticipate and react in a similar manner to you. I dont see that with out YNTs but that is probably more about coaching.

I think other issues are bigger in accounting for where WoSo is than what you see as a lack of creativity.

Anonymous said...

What are the bigger issues for the WNT?
I think the issue is that there isn't enough money in it to prompt better developmental opportunities and to keep players in it so they don't retire when they are 26. To do that it has to become more popular in the USA. One of the reasons (of course not only one) it isn't popular is because it isn't entertaining. Again one of the reasons it isn't entertaining because there are very few fun to watch creative players.

Anonymous said...

the WNBA is not successful either. Do they have the same issues with creativity? It is almost impossible to have a sport built on a National team.

Anonymous said...

I think it is nonsense to criticize the NWSL at this juncture.

Lets see what this season beings after a very exciting collegiate season and pro draft.

Anonymous said...

She Believes Cup Roster:

U.S. Women's Roster:
GOALKEEPERS (3): Jane Campbell (Houston Dash), Ashlyn Harris (Orlando Pride), Alyssa Naeher (Chicago Red Stars)
DEFENDERS (7): Julie Johnston (Chicago Red Stars), Meghan Klingenberg (Portland Thorns), Ali Krieger (Orlando Pride), Kelley O'Hara (Sky Blue FC), Becky Sauerbrunn (FC Kansas City), Casey Short (Chicago Red Stars), Emily Sonnett (Portland Thorns)
MIDFIELDERS (9): Morgan Brian (Houston Dash), Tobin Heath (Portland Thorns), Lindsey Horan (Portland Thorns), Sarah Killion (Sky Blue FC), Rose Lavelle (Boston Breakers), Carli Lloyd (Houston Dash), Allie Long (Portland Thorns FC), Samantha Mewis (NC Courage), Brianna Pinto (CASL)
FORWARDS (6): Crystal Dunn (Chelsea Ladies/ENG), Alex Morgan (Lyon/FRA), Christen Press (Chicago Red Stars), Mallory Pugh (UCLA), Amy Rodriguez (FC Kansas City), Lynn Williams (NC Courage).

Anonymous said...

Wow

Pinto.

Nice honor.

Anonymous said...

Funny. i heard loads of folks here chirping about how bad the U17s and U20s were in the WC, and so far in 2017 I see them being given more opportunities. I guess we can safely assume that BJ Snow did a great job developing these players.

I am really encouraged that in the GDA world, talent will be evaluated by these folks who have such a long track record of identifying top level talent and coaching it up.

Anonymous said...


evaluated by these folks ???? Nothing is going to change! All the people are the same, both league and club. The same scouts that have been at every ECNL national event or USYS ODP event will now be the same people at the GDA events along with USYS ODP events and ECNL national events. IMO the coaching at the USSF national level is no better after all these years and is getting worse for reasons best not written here. Giving the league a new name every 5 years won't make it better.

Anonymous said...

Relax...it's Friday. Sit back and enjoy a beverage!

Anonymous said...

10:10 I agree relax and chill but I also love all the passion.

So relax chill have a beverage and continue to be passionate about our Soccer nation's growth.

Anonymous said...

Took your advice and had a drink
Need to go to work now, can I stop drinking?

Anonymous said...

ANyone attend PDA tryouts?

Anonymous said...

PDA did a nice job keeping the turnout small

Anonymous said...

133 Can I ask what that even means ?

Anonymous said...

Politically correct Low turnout :)

Anonymous said...

So we are applauding a low turnout at the pre-eminent girls Club in the area for a product that many think is ground breaking? Ok. I guess that means not much change then. As predicted.

Anonymous said...

Why the negative spin? It was invitation only so they had an idea who was attending and was intentionally low.

Anonymous said...

From U15 blog and for what it's worth:

"Low turnout you obviously were not there. Older group there were roughly 45 girls there for 23 spots. The 01-02's which mine is part of there were nearly 60 for 23 spots."

Anonymous said...

Thank you.

Anonymous said...

Does anyone have experience with J4K (Just4 Keepers). Trying to figure out the "Payment Plan"

Anonymous said...

For those wondering, Burlington is between Trenton and Cherry Hill - going toward Philly. Roughly an hour from Newark.

Thanks for the invite, Liverpool

Anonymous said...

Not really the same town, but for some reason I just thought about taking the wheel of my automobile and swinging on down. I suppose we should take the tip and make the trip.

Anonymous said...

Once again another person that doesn't know how to use the word spin.

Anonymous said...

spin
spin/Submit
verb
1.
turn or cause to turn or whirl around quickly.
"the girl spun around in alarm"
synonyms: revolve, rotate, turn, go round, whirl, gyrate, circle More
2.
draw out (wool, cotton, or other material) and convert it into threads, either by hand or with machinery.
"they spin wool into the yarn for weaving"
noun
1.
a rapid turning or whirling motion.
"he concluded the dance with a double spin"
synonyms: rotation, revolution, turn, whirl, twirl, gyration
"a spin of the wheel"
2.
informal
a brief trip in a vehicle for pleasure.
"a spin around town"
synonyms: trip, jaunt, outing, excursion, journey;

Anonymous said...

It sounds like a full ride division 1 scholarship is the unicorn only offered to high level NT pool players from the ECNL. Based on the number of fully funded scholarships per school (14) I would assume that maybe 4 full rides are available per school with the remainder being parsed out to the rest of the squad. Based on this thought would DA garner most of the scholarship $$ with ECNL now dropping to the partials? I would love to hear a cinderella story of a non-ECNL player getting a full ride to Loyola, Maryland or UNC, maybe even Penn State. I keep hearing that if you are not ECNL you won't get recruited, and when it comes along the GDA will be the only path to greatness. But then there is the benefit of soccer possibly helping with admissions, so you may not get the money but you may get into a school that you wouldn't have otherwise.

Anonymous said...

10:42 - Idiom-

put a spin on something
to twist a report or story to one's advantage; to interpret an event to make it seem favorable or beneficial to oneself or one's cause. The mayor tried to put a positive spin on the damaging polls. The pundit's spin on the new legislation was highly critical.
See also: on, put, spin
McGraw-Hill Dictionary of American Idioms and Phrasal Verbs. © 2002 by The McGraw-Hill Companies, Inc.

Anonymous said...

1:25 - that is why it is so important for the girls to have great grades to get some $$ academically as well; a combo. And, I don't believe you have to play ECNL to get recruited, it's just recommended. We were told by a highly respected DI coach to move to ECNL from a very good USYS team. He was right.

Anonymous said...

1:48
ECNL has created the platform to be seen, that's all
You can be on a good team at the right tournaments etc...without ECNL
Key word is "good" enough to be placed and accepted at right tournaments
Academic balance is huge. Daughters are going to college to prepare for their future correct?

Anonymous said...

148 Most coaches will tell you that becasue its easier for them to have all their players in one event. There si no right answer but I will attempt to clarify it. Foe the very best players it does not matter. The question is how many of the very best are NOT in the ECNL and the answer is very few. its self fulfilling becasue the ECNL added the best clubs and usually , the best clubs contain the best players.

if you remove the top layer, then its different. The issue becomes how can I differentiate myself from other players of similar ability and status. at that p[point , the ECNL helps becasue the better player are there and the coaches are there. It ends the questions as to why you are NOT in the ECNL. There are some great teams who are not in it, but again not many great Clubs. non soccer factors become important as well.

Coaches do not mind going out on a limb for exceptional players, but its harder to justify for the good solid ones.

GDA is going to be hard to assess because I can see some players avoiding it. from the info I have seen, it is not cheaper, it is not necessarily better and it does require a player to miss HS. In a girls Senior year, she may choose not to do it. If the best players go , then in time the rest will follow.

Anonymous said...

2:01 - I am 1:48 and I agree. It's the venue. And, I don't think it is the league; it is more the club.

Anonymous said...

Sorry, sent before finishing. But, when a top college coach tells you where he and his comrades are looking, first, it gets cred. And, in our case, it was an immediate (she had multiple offers in a month).

Anonymous said...

Here is the only way to tell if playing ECNL counts.

If you are a good judge of talent, see where the ECNL kids that you know (and know the level of) SIGN - then where some of the upper level non ECNL kids who are equal to or better than that player SIGN.

And beware ECNLs taking credit for already signed talent - after such player jumps to their squad late in their youth career.

Anonymous said...

2:06 some very good players have just fair to poor high school teams - nothing keeping them there

Anonymous said...

511 Uh and why do they jump to ECNL late in their career?

Anonymous said...

5:11 - kids commit for various reasons. Not everyone goes P-5 even if given the opportunity. Location, academics, $$$, opportunities outside of soccer, etc. all come into play.

Anonymous said...

Some input from NY. ECNL is without a doubt the best platform for D1 access but plenty of exceptions that cannot be ignored.
2 Notre Dame Commits - Lagrange EDP, Quickstrike NPL
3 UConn commits- Quickstrike NPL (3)from same team
1 Duke -HBC plus several other from HBC to quality programs
These are just a few notable examples.
You can bet ECNL clubs would be proud to add these type of commitments to their websites.

Anonymous said...

NEFC was an NPL team (is now an ECNL going GDA). In certain areas that don't have ECNL, NPL is the highest tier.

Anonymous said...

With some clubs not participating in ECNL anymore, NPL will be getting busier, too.

Anonymous said...

644 They are rounding errors. They absolutely can be ignored. ECNL Clubs have those commits and its not about the commits really. Its about the exposure. The kids ability, academic ambition and a whole host of other things determine the school she commits to.

This BS of putting one school vs another is just that. BS. If you get the exposure you want and the school you desire. Bravo !! I dont care where you played. It does not mean that another kid following the same path will get the same choices.

Anonymous said...

Agreed (and I'm not the NPL/NY person). Some of it is timing, too. If a school needs a certain player/style/position, that helps as well.

Switching themes, what about the amount of USSF/NWSL gals leaving to play overseas. So to be the complete player, one needs to play overseas, too I guess.

Anonymous said...

6:44

Manhattan NPL player to Indiana
Heard a non ECNL 2018 to Villanova

They're all around.

Anonymous said...

Yes and more. That was just someone trying to remind everyone what we already know.

Anonymous said...

Will be interesting if the national league improves with the Gda. Will NPL teams decide to hedge their bets and also do usysa proud grams like R1PL and state cup. Will usysa gain ground. This year they expanded it and there were some pretty bad teams in it with huge goal differentials. Maybe the quality level will rise.

Anonymous said...

1:48 PM

I think there is recruiting availbale at all levels, my question (in relation to the GDA/ECNL/USYS conversations) is where will the Full Ride D1 money go as far as recruits. You indicated that a move from USYS to ECNL was a boost, so I would believe that ECNL to GDA would be a boost as well. I think for D2 and private schools the higher the GPA, Class Rank, and Test scores the easier it will be for a coach to persuade academic money into a player's offer.

Anonymous said...

Yes. I would think GDA, first. However, as you noted and I have always believed, there is a lot of soccer out there at various levels. My kid, full ride top school (soccer & academics). Just noting how the move benefited her and us. But, it has to work for all the parties.

Anonymous said...

i dont think full ride necessarily correlates to best players. At some very desirable schools, some of the best kids take less $$. Unless you are truly elite level, the sweet spot for big $$ is not always the best soccer schools. Its the ones below that level who feel they have to overpay for talent that may take less to go to say Duke et al.

You cannot look at this stuff in a general way. Every kids is different and her circumstances unique. just do what right for you and you cant go wrong.

Anonymous said...

http://www.socceramerica.com/article/72332/anson-dorrance-on-girls-da-vs-ecnl-and-why-the.html

Interesting to me that so many trot out Pugh as a poster child for the current system. In country this size, there are always going to be player produced. It is not a powerful argument to point out one outlier. The question should be how do we consistently encourage a love of the game for younger kids. If you do that, then the quality will increase across the board. he does allude to that, but coaching is only part of it. For me, it starts in the home.

Anonymous said...

Good article
Concerning to see his comment that US soccer not a fan of college coaches?

Anonymous said...

840 I think his comment is a reference to the Red Shirt / U-20 debacle.

Anonymous said...

Probably true. I find it a lame comment though. If ECNL was fielding NT teams, then the comparison can be made.

Anonymous said...

US Soccer not being a fan of college coaches is interesting. If you think about it the goal of College coaches is to win based on their methods and style of coaching and play, to be successful as a team, not to help build a national team. The college coaching ranks are competing against each other. I would think US soccer may want to look at the most successful programs and emulate them instead of alienating. Dorance wants to win and he has a certain style of play that most likely does not fit the US/FIFA mold. I think US soccer needs to be upgraded from the Top down. There needs to be a new head of USSF, 10+ years has been long enough to have a FIFA appointed president muddy the waters and provide circular logic for the National program. Our boys youth academy program has not produced many International high level players. The average age of World cup participating National teams is between 25 and 28 years old with the US right in the middle. The difference is in the US the goal for most soccer players is college not National team where in Argentina, Brazil, Spain, Croatia, the goal is to become a professional, or play internationally. US training from u-little is gearing players to this mentality burning players out once they get to the median age. (statistics from the mens side)

Anonymous said...

Part of it is there's no such thing as playing soccer in college in Europe, South America etc..Go pro or stay home :)

Anonymous said...

8:15 - I agree with you, but in her case vs. multiple offers that is what occurred. And these were/are highly sought after schools/programs. This is ancillary to my main point which is the move to ECNL was quite beneficial.

Anonymous said...

857 Not sure I agree. If we are talking girls. The goal of a player SHOULD be to be as good as they possibly can be. The problem is our current system does not demand excellence for success. It rewards mediocrity. You do not have to be an excellent player to be rewarded. If you goal is excellence then everything else follows.

Even the GDA is going to contain several mediocre players wo have no chance at all of EVER representing the Full NT. It will contain some players whos max upside would be a bench role for a mediocre soccer school. This is not a knock on the kids, its reality. the USSF will then tell you that this is elite. Hardly.

The bar is just too low here and as long as it all about Parents funding the experience it will continue.

Anonymous said...

And, forgot to add, most likely some package $$ coming academically. Shouldn't care as long as the bottom line is the bottom line.

Anonymous said...

9:16 AM

Would you add to your statement, and also a good coach? Our move to the ECNL was great as well, then the coaches changed. Basically U15 was great, U16 was horrible, U17 is getting better, but having 3 coaches in 3 years was not an optimal situation and caused some loss of traction. The club realized too late that the man they had coaching was not fulfilling his full responsibilities to the team, they did "reassign" him but a lot of damage was done to quite a few players. Unfourtunately this is something that may also happen at the next level.

Anonymous said...

9:17 - don't you think that is why GDA is motoring along? Less political; well somewhat less. It won't be ECNL Board of Directors exclusive.

Anonymous said...

9:22 - what do you mean next level? GDA or college? Wow. Why did you stay?

Anonymous said...

925 Unfortunately I dont. The USSF is every bit as political, if not worse with the carrot of YNT call ups. I dont think the Dorrace article says much, but I do agree with him that producing an environment that encourages kids to aspire to excellence needs collaboration . Suggesting you can do that starting at u-14 is complete nonsense.

Anonymous said...

Isn't that the old school birth year of identifying? I say old school, because I think some have learned that you can't speculate how a child will mature or genetics. But, as someone posted previously, many sports are steering kids to be exclusive at an early age. Soccer isn't any different.

Anonymous said...

Is it true that DA will follow professional rules?
18 dress and only 3 subs per game?
Tell me that can't be true for the younger ages???

Anonymous said...

FIFA rules
Yes it's true
Substituted then done

Anonymous said...

May want to reach out to DOC of club of interest re this. We heard that everyone will get a decent amount of playing time throughout the season. It's a rule.

Anonymous said...

Game Operations*

Technical Staff Area: all Academy teams may not have more than five (5) Technical Staff in the Technical Area during competitions

Each player must start a minimum of 25% of regular season games

Anonymous said...

Some of the rule are interesting considering the USSF dont follow them in their own NT camps. What you are missing in that quote is who is going to monitor it AND what will stop the Club doctoring the numbers they submit ? Im sorry, but this just shows how clueless the people making the USSF decisions are. Why would the International competition rules have anything to do with the development of 99 pct of the players? we are supposed to be developing players, adapting to Intl rules is NOT the problem. Playing quality soccer is. Changing the sub rules will have ZERO impact. In fact it may well mean that fitter players will be preferred to ones who may have to work harder on fitness, but have real potential.

The whole DA thing is setting up to be a massive let down, if its not already.

Anonymous said...

DA has been in existence for 10 years.
Why acting like this is all new?

Anonymous said...

11:56 - and the world isn't flat either. History is full of naysayers. You don't like the GDA or US Soccer. We get it. Nothing is perfect, but they aren't starting from scratch either. As the above posted noted, they have been doing it already AND they were very much involved in the ECNL blueprint. This is not new.

Anonymous said...

doing it where? Please enlighten me. DA has not been existence for girls for 10 yrs and the boys DA was not built on an existing ECNL-like foundation. They are totally starting from scratch. You cannot compare the DA and the GDA.

Please explain what the existing USSF decision makers have done to make anyone think they are to be trusted in guiding our Youth to better things?

Anonymous said...

Put the crack pipe down 12:57

Anonymous said...

102 I see rational debate is over . I knew ti was too good to last.

Anonymous said...

US Women’s soccer still has somewhat of an identity and traction. Men’s soccer has neither. The DA has been in existence for 10 years with no great accolades with their biggest successes coming in the Gold cup. No US man has ever appeared on a FIFA player of the year award ballot let alone finish on top or in the final voting. So yeah, lets follow that model with the Women’s side, let’s see, 2 WC championships and 4 Olympic Gold Medals. Yes the world is catching up, but somewhat by emulating what the US is doing with their women’s program. All of the posturing between ECNL, GDA and whatever else is highly subjective. I think what we saw with Sundhage leaving and Ellis coming in was somewhat of a turf war with the players. It wasn’t about skill level and ability it was a competition for who liked who, who knew who, and what favors needed to be cashed in. The US wanted to get away from Hope Solo, there were some other players that were top players but either from the old school or drawing the wrong attention. Coaches want their players, and that means attitude and respect along with ability and drive. So from the top down the US soccer world is about being on the right team with the right coach doing the right things. If USSF is saying GDA gets you and extra check mark for NT, or if there are certain College coaches that are in the USSF barn too make sure your girl is in GDA. If your daughter has no interest in NT glory but wants $$ and to play D1 at a top school, make sure the Coach is not aligned with USSF and stay with the ECNL. US women’s soccer will be in the top 5 for a long time no matter what. On the men’s side the WC has been won by 5 different teams in the past 5 rounds, on the women’s side the US has won 3 out of the last 7 and placed in the other 4. Our little pitch won’t be a big impact on any of this so the only thing you have left are the bragging rights of saying my daughter got an offer to play for Dartmouth/ St. Johns/UMBC, and lying about the amount of the award.

Anonymous said...

Confusing, but I think i get the main thrust. The part I dont get is you make it sound like potential NT glory is an option for a meaningful percentage. I dont think it is. Also, why doe a country who has never won the U-17 WC, win the U-20 and then wins the Full WC multiple times? Its somewhat counter to logic. I think its attrition on the womens side. I think over time, the US is one of the few countries in which women can entertain playing beyond a certain age, largely becasue of T9. its not some great development plan we have, in fact quite the opposite. We outlast everyone else. You mention FIFA PoYs, but lets be real . Lloyd is not in the top 20 players in the world currently, no matter what FIFA says

Anonymous said...

I'm still trying to figure out why that poster specifically named programs (one of which is an ivy and not tied to athletic awards). What a diatribe!

Anonymous said...

Check please!

Anonymous said...

Simply said...without the essay.
"I don't want my daughter to play GDA, she will play ECNL"

Anonymous said...

Statements like this will keep the ECNL plenty strong

Anonymous said...

Ivy League DOES give athletic awards

They are just not termed as such

Applicant A vs Applicant B

Identical in everything except one plays soccer

Soccer player gets in

Any money given (usually based on income) towards tuition/R/B/fees is thus ATHLETIC, since this is how she got in.

Anonymous said...

I think the poster was demeaning those 3 schools (Dartmouth, St Johns and UMBC) in terms of soccer

Pretty sad.

Anonymous said...

333 just no. If the differentiating factor was not soccer, but a basket-weaving project the kid did..does that mean she got money for basket-weaving?

Anonymous said...

yes, of course

Anonymous said...

You do know the Ivies give out more aid than other school by a large %, right?

About 2/3 is the average

Anonymous said...

So...

I got into Dartmouth because of soccer

Dartmouth is giving me 40K per year

But I cant CREDIT having played soccer growing up at the level I did for allowing me to attend the Ivy institution and receive the monetary benefit (scholarship) to do so?

Be well in your little world.

Anonymous said...

3:33 - athletic aid is athletic aid and financial aid is financial aid.

Anonymous said...

And, getting into a school is different from an athletic or financial aid award. Is this the U15 blog?

Anonymous said...

Agreed. To be more specific, one gets reported to the NCAA and one does not. Not trying to diminish anyone's accomplishment at all. But, at least rant correctly.

Anonymous said...

"Since all Ivy League schools do not award athletic scholarships, there are no signing dates for the National Letter of Intent."

See: The Ivy League website - http://www.ivyleague.com/information/psa/index

Anonymous said...



FALSE!
Ivy League DO NOT give athletic awards.



Anonymous said...

"Ivy League schools provide financial aid to students, including athletes, only on the basis of financial need as determined by each institution's Financial Aid Office. There are no academic or athletic scholarships in the Ivy League."

This is policy, however not minimizing that academics and athletic achievements have no part in the decision process.

Anonymous said...

The correct statement is there are no direct athletic awards for the ivies. And based on application level and differentiators like soccer or another sport or activity like music/band will push an applicant into a smaller pool for the admissions board to review. Similar to all colleges. As for the financial awards from the ivies they will tell you it is need based and academic/merit scholarships. Using “basket weaving” as the de-facto comparison is a bit off the mark. The process is somewhat cart before the horse sometimes with athletes committing and then fulfilling their commitment. You are committing to play soccer once you are admitted. FAFSA determines what you can afford to pay above the federal grants and then you start looking at what awards are available. With very few full rides the average player will work with admissions to seek out grants and awards with some additional input from the coach or depending on the school the assistance of the Athletic Department.

Anonymous said...

http://www.ussoccerda.com/20170216-feat-miriam-hickey-director-of-us-soccer-girls-development-academy-qa

Anonymous said...

Official statement, not fabricated:

FINANCIAL AID CRITERIA
Ivy League schools provide financial aid to students, including athletes, only on the basis of financial need as determined by each institution’s Financial Aid Office. There are no academic or athletic scholarships in the Ivy League. A coach may assist a prospective student-athlete to obtain an estimated financial aid award, however only the Financial Aid Office has the authority to determine financial aid awards and to notify students officially of their actual or estimated awards.

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Anonymous said...

How many kids that you know have the realistic ambition of playing for a Full or youth national team. Compare that with the number who want to play soccer in College. I think the USSF should stop overselling the NT angle and focus simply on what makes the GDA a better place for young soccer players. The rest takes care of itself.

Anonymous said...

7:55

Odd choice to me, although I only know what I read in her BIO. To me it sounds like a step up for her but not a re4al win for GDA. Not a high profile name, no real accomplishments with a high level program. I guess she might be a Dutch version of Sundhage?? No one in the US system was available for (or wanted) the job? Maybe this will be a boon to Midwest soccer players having an advocate in the system.

Anonymous said...

Some more about her. I agree though, definitely not a "flamboyant" choice.

http://www.miriamhickeysc.com/

Anonymous said...

amazing is it not, that GDA is struggling to fill positions.

Anonymous said...

What struggle are you referencing? There is plenty of interest out there. One of the items holding back some interested candidates is the ECNL rule that any current ECNL participant that is playing for a Club that is not the GDA must wait until after May 1st. So, the current club members and other non-ECNL players are currently attending the various try-outs.

Anonymous said...

I don't think that poster was referencing GDA id sessions and turn outs. I think he/she meant openings in US Soccer associated with the GDA.

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