Don't blame DC Shore He named himself a few posts back.
12:12 I think you have it wrong. The PDA Guy went on a long diatribe. blah blah blah, dogs barking, shine the light, look at the reflection, name yourself, show your face, grandmother quotes etc, twice emphatically saying I am the PDA Parent named XXXXXX, DC was just responding to the PDA Guy naming himself. I believe especially a guy playing for a club that is often maligned on this board is being tabloid when he states "I heard this team is falling apart, is it true?"
He doth protests too much again and again and again.
Speaking of soccer, aren't we all the better that the World Cup is not a closed sytem of Elite clubs. Spain's out, England's likely out, Portugal has a lot of risk. The US has a good chance to going through, Costa Rica is likely through, and a few other surprises. It certainly speaks to the value of deciding soccer games on the pitch not in a board room.
1:39 UEFA Champions League.Why does England, Spain and Italy to name a few get to send 4 teams some directly into the group stage while Malta's champion has to qualify by winning 3 rounds before they even get to the group phase?Yes it's not closed but it's make it hard for Valletta doesn't it? Is that fair?
I'm not educated enough on the UEFA. Qualifying except as you say, they big leagues send 4. I personally don't have an issue of a higher bar for teams playing in weaker leagues at least there is a system for teams to qualify. The World Cup does show the beauty of every country having a path for qualification. I think you know my broader point which is that I believe that we have more an more in youth soccer isolating leagues where decisions on who goes in and who doesn't is done in board rooms of people with a vested interest in the outcome. Because teams are moving to playing US Youth or US Club events, I think we are losing some of the excitement of some like the state cups where if you come out of that, you play regional competition, and then a national competition. I personally think there is something great about that structure.
Some shocking early exits. I think many here can agree. In Spain's case many are celebrating the death of Tiki-Taka but can that really be said? Spain had won essentially all that is worth winning for four years. Four years is a lifetime in soccer and I think the flame (or with some the fuel) that drove many of the players engines is gone. By all accounts Spain has a strong bench of developing players so it should not be long before we see.I think the problem on the English side is the growth and strength of the EPL. Simply put its success may be at the detriment of its domestic development. Much of the English square, at least on paper, is the "who's who" of the EPL. At the same time many of the EPL teams these domestic players belong too are greatly thickened up by international talent. When the English squads get together I find a complete lack of cohesion and purpose. They almost have a "let's get out there and see what we can do" mentality. What do you all think?DCShore
I do understand your point and I think US Club soccer is going down that path. They are setting up a pyramid - what they do with that pyramid remains to be seen. US Club has standards it wants it's member clubs to have, agree or disagree with it at least they are trying to take out the hacks. For every PA Strikers you have 2 to 3 clubs just taking on registrations to make a buck or two. Just to give you an example with some money. The Wildwood beach blast charges about $700 a pop for about 1,000 teams to play in a weekend of sand soccer. That's a lot of money to play on the sand being made. The Hotels and Food joints all gain from this as well. Not saying this is a scam - but we have hundreds of events and with tools like gotsoccer that glorify the events - you can see how development and playing soccer kind of takes a back seat sometimes when you have all this money to be made.I think an Open Soccer Pyramid would be great MLS & NWSL D1NASL & W-League D2USL Pro & WPSL D3merge PDL/NPSL & ECNL D3US Club Soccer Pyramid D4 (NPL, PL, Travel)In order to play you need to have standards met. Also if you do this and improve on the "homegrown" player rule there will be no need for a College Soccer draft. Teams will simply just purchase the rights to players from smaller clubs this would drive down the Fees us parents pay. Then soccer in our country would be open to everyone while eliminating the hacks - every child that is serious will have one path not 3 or 4 all promising the same thing. I'm no expert but i do love the game.Spain has won majors the lat 6 years - Euro + World Cup + Euro. I don't think they are done I think they just had a bad two games which unfortunately for them came at the wrong time. I disagree about the EPL as I can only wish the same would happen to the MLS.One last thing on US Soccer - In addition to an Open League - we need to play in major club events. Why not ask to join Copa Lib and send our top 3 or 4 teams to that event and then send teams 5 through 8 to CONCACAF Champions league or have the NWSL petition UEFA to join their Champions League with our games being played at a neutral site. Now you have opened a path for more clubs to make money and more players to be exposed to big leagues until the MLS becomes the place to be I think it's a lot easier for the NWSL to become the global league. Personally, i think the USSF dropped the ball with the NWSL. They had the WPSL Elite. WPSL has over 60 clubs, they could have forced the W-league to merge back with the WPLS and let US CLub soccer into the equation to build an open league for the Women.But we will never see that in our world of closed leagues NFL, MLB, NHL & NBA to much money being made and at the end of the day it's always about the money isn't it?
Sorry had some typos.MLS & NWSL D1NASL & W-League D2USL Pro & WPSL D3merge PDL/NPSL & ECNL D4US Club Soccer Pyramid D5 (NPL, PL, Travel)
@8:50Sadly, any such changes you mention would be met with resistance by those already bringing in the $. It's a threat. But I do like the way your thinking is going. It would be VERY exciting to see some of that in action.We pretty much agree on Spain, though perhaps I am putting more emphasis on the decline of their aging players. We can agree to disagree about the EPL. It's just a sad day (Cup) for England getting bounced so early.DCShore
Anyone at Rider Cup this past weekend? Any interesting games, results?
Sadly, I have not been able to catch any outside matches the past couple of weeks and with my kids schedules done I am likely not to see any soccer till Fall.I would love to hear some good stuff about any matches anyone catches. Any teams to watch for? Any interesting playing styles of formations.DCShore
What does everyone think of the following currents u14G teams NJSA04MatchfitPDAWildcatsFC CopaWhich of these offer the better training and player's development. HOw are the coaches in this age group and how expensive are these teams?
@9:33You'll get a lot of disagreement on "which offers better XYZ..."In truth I do not know the Wildcats team. I have not seen them play.With regards to the other teams it is my opinion that no matter which you are looking at you will good/very good quality in terms of team play/training (which mostly go hand in hand). If you daughter were to play on any of the teams (including the various PDA squads) you 'should' be happy with what you see in terms of development. Again, all of it is good/very good. My best advice, which I admit is tougher this time of year, is to watch the teams play. Win/Lose/Draw are they playing a quality match? How are the coaches on the sidelines? How are the parents? Would you be happy being associated with such a group?How expensive is it? Depends on what you deem 'expensive' is. While some of the feeds are far above what some parents might pay others might be considered a bargain. Ultimately I would not judge the program on price tag alone (positively or negatively).Whether you join an academy or club team should be based on CLEAR expectations. Whether you stay should be based on whether your expectations are met.Best answer I can give at the moment.DCShore
Should read,"While some of the fees are far above what some parents might pay...."DCShore
Reading this blog, I would avoid Match Fit, I hea they are falling apart. The same people discuss the special envronment that exist at PDA. My sense is that any one of those clubs can be a good fit depending on what you are looking for. You will find the least stability at the ECNL clubs if your daughter is not in the starting or first sub grouping as you will likely continue to see turnover at the bottom The ECNL clubs have a lot of pressure on them to win now.
PDA beats up on Bethesda first day of ECNL finals 3-1. Keep deluding yourselves that your kid's team could compete with them. Yet they probably will have a serious challenge against the best in the country CSA, Colorado, Texas and the west coast's best. Wish them luck as they represent Northeast ECNL and NJ.
PDA is the best....Yeah!!!!
...At leasr in NJ
PDA Gunners 3Charlotte 1Keep it up Northeast
PDA Gunners beats Charlotte (#1 seed) today in Seattle at U14 ECNL Playoffs. Tomorrow PDA plays Santa Rosa who lost to Charlotte 4-1. Gunners should advance out of their bracket undefeated and play in the semi-finals on Friday.
World class having a tough tournament going 0-1-1 after a stupendous regular season. Won't advance to next round.
Offense gets attention, but defense wins championships!
The World Cup can be lost in the group stage but not won and the draw also matters.True about defense, but I also believe that the best defense is a great offense.
Our team is breaking up due to coach's lack of training and development. Also five players were treated like crop on this team. A large group of the parents decided to take their kids some place else where they can get appropriate training. eight players are leaving out of 16 so the team will probably bring in other victims and continue to vicious cycle.
@4:38How long had the roster been together?My guess there were warning signs long before this season, no?Plenty of teams looking for players this time of year. The shrinking and consolidation has begun. A few teams keep it all intact but any go through changes at this age.DCShore
This team has player turnover every year because only 11 players play, the rest just pay and watch the main players play. Some players only played 5 minutes the entire game, others 10-15 minutes a half. It's just a money making team no development at all. Waste of time!!
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4:38 Are you referencing Colonial League member LMVSC (Virginia). They were breaking up. Lost 5 girls to another club. Now I hear they are trying to have a team.
So I was watching World Cup commentary about how difficult it would have been for the US to come back from 3 days rest having played in the Amazon. Then I thought PDA may play up to 5 games over a 4 day period, the same thing with playing in the Jefferson Cup and really any other tourneys. Does anyone else think it is nuts that 3 days rest is considered difficult for adults to play 2 world cup games but our kids will play 5 in a weekend. I think it says something about the US Soccer culture.
ECNL is more like 5 games in 6 days if you make it to the final, with a day of rest in between.Tournament formats of 4 games in two days or 5 games in three days is the worst of many downfalls of US youth soccer. Just like everything else in this sport, it's all about the money.
World Class, welcome to ECNL.
@9:22What does it say about U.S. soccer culture? What are you implying?Do you think European youth club teams play 5 games in 4 days? or 4 games in 2 days?Is this another 'telling' statement that we all have to figure out?DCShore
0-2 loss to solar.....oh well....no wins in seattle and a -4 goal differential. Defense and goal keeping exposed giving up 10 goals in 3 games back to reality....it was fun while it lasted....RIP WCFC U14s
DC Shore, no I do not think European teams play 4-5 games over a weekend. I am not implying, I am saying that we make the measure of a team how well the do on a weekend in NJ, VA, PA, Mass, etc. I am saying that Wins are more important than development, and I am saying that we grind 14 year olds. Who hasn't seen a girl that has an an ACL tear. I don't remember girls having the number of injuries that they have today. I have commented previously and I am sure that you know this, that the training to game ratio in the US is half of what it is in Europe.
The cream rises to the top. Go gunners,,,go PDA!!
Yes Yes how is that cream holding up? Enjoy watching the Hawks take the final from the sidelines.In all seriousness great tourney for PDA but they still need some players up top.
Well its obvious that you didn't watch the game but they played well and it had to come down to PK'S to decide it. Sure I think the girls will go watch the finals just to see it but it's obviously you were never in it or your team lost along the way before the day. If you want to say that PDA lost and is out sure I'm okay with that but to say that they lost because they need people up top is a foolish statement. Anyway I am a PDA parent out here in Seattle with the team and my name is Eric Harris.
The fields were fine, refs inconsistent, and the town and taxes expensive...
I'm confused. Are Gunners in the final or not?
Now knowing how I write and what I write about, you should know that I would never write the cream rises to the top. Whoever wrote that is wrong and really naive about youth sports. The cream rises to the top comment is sad and reckless. Well if someone from our team wrote that......Humble Pie is good lololol. The girls played hard. All the teams were great out here and the teams that's stayed back home. Bethesda is a great team along with Charlotte and of course World Class. Santa Rosa wasn't a bad team either and although it was a tie it still could have went either way. This is youth soccer and a great experience for all the girls involved and trying to capture that trophy this weekend. I am proud of how the Gunners played because they played with heart and kept fighting. And with that all being said they shocked a lot of you by making it out their group and doing as well as they did. They keep all the naysayers at bay for the week and people waited for them to fail. PDA represented the Northeast Conference, JAGS, MOSA, MID NJ, conferences this week we'll and week in and week out those leagues have help mold the gunners by being in tough games with the Freeholds, North Rocklands, World Class, NJSA Bulldog, FC Bucks and YMS. All those teams helped prepare for this journey out in Seattle. I tell you all back east be proud of the soccer we play because I tell you we can compete with anyone in the country and thank you for letting the Gunners Represent you all that couldn't make it out to Seattle. In final no the creams doesn't always rise to the top but it was a heck of a ride they gave us this weekend. Eric Harris
Bethesda it was a great time with you guys once again. Your parents are some great people and please tell your goalie to keep her head high. She felt so terrible about the Santa Rosa goal. She is a terrific kid and to see that young kid crying because she felt she let her team down was sad to see, but like I said the kids from her team I saw rallying behind after the game along with the PDA Gunners hugging her telling her it would be okay and how awesome of a goalie she is. It's was great and I am glad that the girls competed and at the end of the day some of them have gained some friendships with girls that they hope to compete against for years to come. I enjoyed watching your team play and if you want a copy of the game cause I am the guy that films the game with some selective lol yelling at my daughter......lol I like to call it not coaching but STRONGLY SUGGESTING loll her to do some things. Anyway I hope your travels home are safe and if you are still around let's catch up at the finals tomorrow. Eric Harris
I left Friday but enjoy the final. Saw you on top of the Space Needle (LOL) and spoke to you at Jeff Cup this year.I'm sure we will run into each other next season. Again tell your girls well done! I speak for all the Bethesda parents we really enjoy playing your girls.
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Hmmm ABGC Premiere lost. Guess that throws a wrench into the parent's plans of winning ECNL, USYS National League, and NPL next season. So much for the parent's world domination plans. Guess they will have to find satisfaction trying to beat the traitors who dared left Gus for Mclean.
"saw you on top of the space needle"haha what a small world!
This is hysterical. Who are these people? He must think his children are in the World Cup representing the US. Very funny post!!
There's 100,000 girls playing soccer in the Northeast and we have to hear about particular players, teams, and their parents. We should just adore the soccer goddess?? LOL
Your only hearing about the teams (girls) still playing, ECNL / Region 1 tourney. Let me guess, soccer has been over for your daughters team a long time ago... Enjoy the summer.
Some parents just want to post GotSoccer screenshots with their daughter's team listed as #1 in the country to Facebook so all their friends will gush about their daughter being the next Mia Hand
Yo E, don't worry about what these cats post. Continue supporting your kid, I don't think you are doing anything wrong, this is a u14 board and you are talking about the only thing that matters when we talk u14 Girls Soccer and your kid happens to be playing in this event.I had the Cascadia question for you. I just wanted to know how much of a role the Sounders play in Seattle since they draw over 30k to their games - that's impressive for soccer played anywhere in the world not just in the states.My man DC, I have a world cup question for you. Will Costa Rica be considered the CONCACAF power if we get bounced by Belgium. Since we only beat them during a blizzard and they did protest the game. Of course, I hope we advance to play Messi and then take him out. Are you going to tell me that we stink as a soccer nation and our MLS is horrible, just like the rest of the world is going to be saying if that happens? or are you going to let me enjoy watching the US play and be happy for their success. Now imagine your kid played for a team that played in a national event? Imagine how proud you would be only to have someone like me come along and try to rain on your parade. You wouldn't care, as I wouldn't but it just looks bad.One more thing on Gotsoccer, please tell me you don't use the FIFA coca cola rankings to quote who's number one. If you follow soccer, you know those are a big joke as well. But I bet you everyone in our Country would be talking it up if we were ever number 1.Just my 2 cents.
@7:36 I was being EXTREMELY facetious with my comments.As far as the US goes, YES I am happy for them and will be cheering for them to the last. And YES, clearly they are being shown the way by one Jürgen Klinsmann. Someone who to this day is trying to change American soccer for the better. And all of those German-Americans, they are not there because of their accents...it's THE GAME they know how to play. Or are you arguing these German-Americans (European players) have not had a significant impact on our Cup play so far?And YES, comparably speaking, the MLS is horrible. Or do you actually enjoy, accept and cheer when the ball goes out of bounds every 5 seconds? And NO, I would not just simply be proud that my kid was on the National team. Not unless they were playing THE GAME and looked like they actually knew what they were doing. NOT diving in while defending, NOT getting caught ball watching, NOT losing the ball every other possession because of lack of touch and foot skills. NO, I am not simply one who is proud. It has to be built on something.DCShore
As far as rankings go. I do not believe in them. I always judge base my opinion on watching the teams play.In truth, many of the top 'ranked' teams play a good-very good game. But there are a number of lesser ranked teams that play equal, if not in some cases, better than their 'ranking' would suggest.DCShore
DC I agree with your 8:25 comment. But as far as MLS goes have you ever given it a chance? a real chance. You know by their package and watch games more than 1 a week? For one who enjoys THE GAME and likes to see if teams/players know what they are doing I would think that you have and I'm not talking Metrostars. Who doesn't cheer when the ball goes out of bounds? I also cheer when the Defenders blast the ball a mile away when no one is around or they play the ball back to the goalie so they can blast it a mile away only to lose possession, don't you?How do you expect soccer (THE GAME) to get better if we don't support the MLS or NWSL? By going to a message board and putting it down? I've been to 3 MLS games and 2 NWSL games and also purchased the MLS package to support the game in our country in addition to supporting my daughter's club. I bet you most you post on this board can't say that - maybe they went to a game or two that they were forced to go to. Do I hate ugly play, yes. But I still have to support if I really want it to get better and then some day maybe we'll see one table, pro/rel, a true pyramid, playing in Copa Lib and transferring players.
typo correction I anted to say most who post on this message board
I am a fan of the Red Bulls and the Sky Blue.I go to about 2-4 games for each per year. If for no other reason than my kids have interest in attending a soccer match way more than a baseball match.I also attend because I want to support the effort not because I am in love with what is played in front of me. I also realize that without support/interest there is no going forward. I don't want the league abolished. I'm jut not going to call a duck a golden goose.DCShore
I agree DC - and it's go to see that at least 2 of us are trying to support the game on this board.I wouldn't call it a golden goose either. But with Defoe, Villa and Kaka next in line old or not the players are getting better. As much as I hate seeing this, we also need European and Latin American coaches to further advance the league. I believe as it is today we are number 7 in the world when it comes to attendance. We are going down the right path and our kid's won't benefit from this but their kids might. AND if 2022 rumors are true Soccer can take off big time. I know pipe dream.
Don't Forget book signing July 4 in Atlantic City by Eric Harris author of the book "Cream always Rises To The Top "
@June 30, 2014 7:36am No worries, do you really think I am faded by what DCShore and his girlfriend has to say. Those love birds can just sit there on the porch behind that fence and keep barking but they know they are not built to step outside that gate. I am very proud of my children and yes I am absorbed in what they do as any parent should. Its called SUPPORT. Here we are on a U14 Blog and these dudes are upset that we are actually talking about U14 soccer. I think their post have been removed which I am sad to see because I forget what they said lol lol being that I am just getting back to respond to those lovebirds. I tell you it was a great run by the girls and it was interesting to really see different teams from different parts of the country. I tell you the teams from California I don’t know what they are putting in the water but I never seen so many tall girls at this age on one team. I mean there what another girl that was 6’1” and was a striker lol lol man I tell you it was like she was a woman against kids out there. The soccer community there is Seattle is huge but you wouldn’t know it by just looking. I would say this that every store that I went into even outside the city had something either Sounders or Seahawks in it. I have a buddy that I use to play in the NFL with that I reached out to and see if he had any contacts on the Sounders side to see if I could get a tour of their stadium which he was able to see but guess what I was over ruled and for some crazy reason my daughter wanted to take the DUCK Tour lol lol (still scratching my head) The complex we played at belongs to this one club and when I tell you it was a nice facility it was tons of grass fields that were well keep. I couldn’t believe that it was just used by one club but there were at least 18 fields of 100 x 65. Now I understand why they call it 60 Acre Park. Actually on July 4 I will not be signing that book since I never made that comment but I will say this that was an amateur comment but this I will tell you and your girlfriend DCShore on July 6 I will be doing my normal Speed and Agility from 8am to 3pm at Raritan High School………………ITS FREE to anyone who wants training for their child. Usually from I am there about 8 am setting up cones and drills for my first group of kids which is for kids about 8 years old including my 8 year old. that session goes for about 2 hours then I have the older kids that want training from 11am to about 2:30-3pmish. Feel free for you and DCSHORE to stop by with your children if you like. Like I said I do it for free and have never charged any child to train them. If you have college age children that need training I also offer that after 3pm but that group is usually tough because I have several college football players and one or two guys who are still trying to get signed by an NFL team so I really limit that group to the chosen few because we only work on specifics that might not be necessary. So feel free to stop by before all of that if you want to talk or me sign your copy. I doubt you come for whatever lame excuse you can come up with but I am publicly inviting you to come with no drama. We are on a U14 Blog cant we just all get along lol lol Eric Harris
I hope all you guys can take a few hours today and watch the game either at home or at one of the many viewing parties.I am very happy to see the frenzy over the beautiful game in our country.With players like David Villa and Kaka to play in MLS next year - I can see the MLS growing and maybe helping the NWSL with some funds.
Shouldn't we be cheering for PDA pride, they beat a team by ten points! Excellent development there!!
The team has a history of doing this, They can't win major competitions so they play down and makes competitive tournaments non-competitive for every one who enters. This tourney follows Kirkwood and playing the the state cup second grouping.. It is kind of embarrassing after having the Gunners competing and showing well at the ECNL championships. There is no fun in winning a game 10-0.
It's all about bragging rights! Now the B team can boast about being National champions.
Anyone from PDA want to comment on how playing in a tournament and winning 10-0 is good for player development.
I know of at least 3 teams that were denied entry that would have been competitive. Shame on pda for not wanting a challenge.
@July 1, 2014 8:51pm listen lover boy I am as real as its gets so before you even question that lets take a look at the track record. First I TELL YOU I am a PDA PARENT. I tell you this because I don’t want you to think that I am anonymous but the fact that I am a PDA Parent defending my daughters club to you or anyone else that has a negative thing to say. I like to say its my opinion of things and your’s oh then its your lover boy over at Match fit maybe, I don’t know that’s between you and him. Secondly when I felt that a PDA PARENT could be anyone trying to defend the situation but I know and others knew it was ME all along. Trust me the phones calls I got asking if it was me and me saying YEP but they kinda figured it was me. I further wanted you and whoever else to know that my name is Eric Harris so that you could actually put a name with the PDA Parent that was getting at you. I lastly let you and your buddies where I will be at on every Sunday that I don’t have a conflict training kids for FREE. I tell you all this. Now you ask me am I real……..well there is only one way to find out and that come to training on Sunday. Watch from afar if you like I will be on the football field if soccer isn’t on it. Other than that I will be on the grass. I only say this not for you to come and have me challenge you or any of your buddies but simply to let you know I am real and that I say what I say because I am real and that your opinion or any of your buddies opinions phase me or move me. Now that coffee that you almost spit out your mouth was not that it was too hot but maybe because you saw your reflection in that cup that and it scared the mess out of you that I am actually right about you. See I told you that you are inconsistence on all that you do and everything has to be the way you say it…….because it’s the LAW right…..well wrong I can still laugh at you and know that you are an emotional person or you have emotional tendencies as our male counterparts no offense to you ladies out there but I have to call it how I see it with this guy. Here we are on a U14G forum and people want to discuss U14G soccer and here you are talking about the USMNT……and how you now sooo much about this and that……Cmon man. Listen I rather listen you you talk about your opinion of youth soccer and the differences in how clubs do things which you have made very valid points but all that other nonsense save it. I am going to do you a favor on this and let me go further on how real I am. Since June 5 you vowed not to comment to me and further again on June 6th not to respond to me (lol) so twice you have drawn the threat to me I not sure was it your way of turning your back on me or maybe the reflection in that mirror comment was really starting to set in on ya. Well up until June 19th when I actually said my name all of a sudden you came running off the porch……but never opened that gate lol lol lol. Well listen DCShore you know where I am at on Sunday’s and you know my name and where my kid plays. I promise you that I will not respond to any of your comments about me or what I have to say……..UNLESS you mention my kids team or club in a negative manner. You can call me all the names you chose…..I will not respond to you because you anonymous and you need to stay that way. As long as you are calling my god given name……..I am okay with that but I will not respond to. Now if I respond to you outside of you mentioning PDA then you can call me a FRAUD other than that you know where to find me. Eric Harris
C'mon man, get off this blog, you ramble like a mental patient.
Eric Harris, just curious....how many new girls did the Gunners pick up for next season? Any starters? Any girls leave? I'm asking because they are successful season after season with what they have and I was wondering how often the starting 11 change.
So PDA wins by 10 and you fuss that 3 teams were denied entry and PDA took their spot. Shouldn't you be fussing that the team who lost took a spot. The self proclaimed state champion of Pa gets killed by a "b" team. Really. Only in our country would someone go after the winner.
Changing topics. Lets talk about ethics and youth soccer.Should a soccer organization be able to offer sponsorships on their site.The bigger question, should parents or companies owned by parents be allowed to sponsor the soccer coach's web site. Second question, should a soccer coach accept private training from existing members of his team.Don't both circumstances put the coach in a conflict of interest and potentially provide optics that a parent is paying extra (sponsorship or private training) to ensure their child has a spot on the team?Thoughts?
What ever happen to that Great Kick-Ball team from VA ABGC Premier seems almost ever time they play a good team they lose . Hey ABGC or whatever club you are with welcome to the big league next year ECNL 3rd place at the best for you guys. Overrated kickball team .
DCShore - I personally know Eric Harris, he's the real deal, real nice guy who cares about soccer. My daughter played for Atletica a couple of years back, but got cut. No hard feelings, We parted with PDA and Coach Greg on good terms. Eric's daughter is a phenomenal athlete and has been with the Gunners from that start. Eric is an ex-NFL player (Falcons, I think) Yo Eric, bro this is Alex - hope is well with you, if we're free I may take G to your training on Sunday.
Our team is breaking up. Anybody knows of uprising u15G teams still looking for players. Thanks,
4:39. Maybe you can post the area.
2:29 No, Hershey Elite's other games were competitive, the tournament director could have placed them in a lower bracket. The fact is that when you look at the team's involved in the tournament and where PDA says it is going as a club, it shouldn't be playing against those teams, but I guess that they will do whatever they need to get to a National tournament.
@2:@9Changing topics. Lets talk about ethics and youth soccer."Should a soccer organization be able to offer sponsorships on their site.The bigger question, should parents or companies owned by parents be allowed to sponsor the soccer coach's web site. "---> Tough one to answer. I know where you are going with this. The players whose mom/dads company sponsors the club gets preferential treatment. At the same time, I can imagine that at least in some circumstances the sponsorship does really help keep the program moving forward and more kids playing.My short answer is "yes" they should be allowed but that does not override a parent/players biggest responsibility. Making sure that all of their expectations are met. If poor ethics/morals are evident then obviously it is a bad move."Second question, should a soccer coach accept private training from existing members of his team."----> If the coach is a volunteer coach, then NO he should offer private training for additional fees. If he is a paid coach anyway, he should be free to make a living and parents should be free to opt in. I could go onto my "too much money in the sport" rant...but that is well documented. It is what it is and again the overriding principle (as a parent to follow) is to make sure that despite these scenarios all expectations are being met. It not, stop your checks to the org and move on."Don't both circumstances put the coach in a conflict of interest and potentially provide optics that a parent is paying extra (sponsorship or private training) to ensure their child has a spot on the team?"----> Sure, and it is sad when things go that way. If you are in this current situation I would move on. You will not win that fight. If your org is possibly going into such situation it is your right as a member (well at least in our club it is) to raise your objections and have them heard. Ultimately you may not be able to fight this but at least you can be heard and raising a few additional brows may help monitor possible bad behavior and poor ethics.DCShore
Pride did not win the above mentioned tournament in spite of their 10/0 win
NJ force devils breaking up?
In depth analysis of Soccer tournaments can be an enriching experience. Given that its influence pervades our society, it is yet to receive proper recognition for laying the foundations of democracy. It is an unfortunate consequence of our civilizations history that Soccer tournaments is rarely given rational consideration by socialists, obviously
What was final score for pride? Score not posted?...
Tied 1-1. Went 1-0-2.
PDA picking up that Player from New York considered development EH? Would love to know who moderated this board.DCShore
Looks like a friend if EH's might be moderating. It makes sense.DCShore
Try not to mention specific players on this board.
Dc I think your objective hatred towards PDA makes you sound like a low life POS. Are you seriously telling me that a child needs to stay with his or hers inital club or else wherever she goes doesn't develope?My first child who I didn't know what I was doing played for a small club that had travel but really only focused on intermural teams. My daughter at u12 was moved to the biggest club in pa and developed into another position and played college ball. My current daughter is now u13 and I have taken the same path for her. The small club had good trainers but the teams aren't as deep and talented. It both cases if you ask my children they will tell you both coaches they had have developed them.
Maybe you can't afford PDA or your daughter wouldn't make PDA hence your hatred towards them.
I did not mention a specific player, but EH has and has openly identified himself.I believe you took down my post simply because I Mr. Eric Harris look like the poor spokesman for his PDA team.Mr. Harris, thank you for yet another long and incoherent response. But YOU REALLY DID NOT answer my questions (but I think you know that).I will ask again. Is the PDA Gunners, picking up a player from NY that you cannot believe "slipped through the cracks" part of their development program? Is that part of the promise they make to all of the players on all of the teams?You can call my criticism of the Player Business Development Academy "hatred" all you want. But the question itself is a critical one that needs to be answered. So go ahead. You are the proud spokesman. Also, again, keep us posted as to how many Pride and Athletica players move up as opposed to those that are brought in from other clubs. PLEASE do this. You are the spokesman.That's right Eric. I cannot afford to pay for PDA. That must be 'telling' you something. DCShore
Oh please. I can name a few kids who have moved up from the Atletica to the Gunners at the u12 level, and some of them even start games at the moment. DC, every team will have new players. Can you name a good team that doesn't? I used to think of your comments as insightful and interesting, and now, they are crappy Eric Harris and PDA-hating statements at best.
2:54So, is grabbing a kid from outside the club considered part of the development process? Answer this question directly. And before you repeat yourself.Sure, every 'good' team probably does grab new players and that's the point. At the end of the day they are only as good as the new players they can bring in (recruit). It has little to do with team development. Eric, when are you going to answer my question or are yo busy calling up your coach for a response?Here it is again. Is taking a player on from the outside part of the "Development" program? What part of the development cycle is that? Where do the other kids fit in to this development process?DCShore
Nothing wrong with bringing kids in and out, but the PDA Pride is a perfect case study that without good team and player development, that who you bring in an out really doesn't matter. The team competes in a competitions far below where they should be playing and can't make it through, they can't beat decent town programs with Parent coaches. It's not once, it's consistent. They have enough very good payers to be performing better than they do, that comes down to development. I'm not getting involved in the PDA Parent DC Battle, but we have heard enough times from the PDA parent and others on this blog, that the Gunners are unique in this age group
DC, Clubs develop players not teams. If a club is lucky they have enough talent to develop a good team. Very few (B or C) team players ever make it to the "A" team because at this age and older players are moving from one "A" team to another "A" team. There are only so many "A" players out there so if you are on a B or C team odds are you are not an A player. Doesn't mean you can't become one but the odds are against you at this point. Most quality ECNL teams (like PDA) are only going to add a couple of players a year because there's just not that much talent out there for wholesale changes. As far as development you should be more concerned with your own daughters experience considering you said she is only practicing one day a week. Hard to develop and get better at that pace.
@5:31Your first paragraph is full of contradictions (at least how it reads). I am honestly not sure if I support what you are trying to say or am vehemently opposed.Clubs develop players...but B and C players usually do not make it to A...so they are developing in what way? Exactly how?"Most quality ECNL teams (like PDA) are only going to add a couple of players a year because there's just not that much talent out there for wholesale changes."----> right, so they are going after players...not developing them. Or, in Candy Land terms A Players are 'moving from one "A" team to another "A" team. So you are basically agreeing at "this age" U14 it is not really about development. It's a shameful and ridiculous comment, but it does support my argument. Then again, I'm not sure how to interpret what you wrote? Maybe you are agreeing with me and trying to support what I am saying. If so, well done. "As far as development you should be more concerned with your own daughters experience considering you said she is only practicing one day a week. Hard to develop and get better at that pace."-----> it is written exactly nowhere that my daughter only practices one day a week. It is written that I am happy with my child's development. In fact she is playing in Summer League with her high school team. Playing side by side with two very talented players. One from PDA and another from another "Academy" (no need to name). They play well together. Too bad much of the talent and IQ they are each brining to the team will be stripped away for kick ball.DCShore
DC,Not sure why you have such a hard time with this. Your assumption is that a club will move its own players up from within. Does not happen in most cases. You also assume that because a player does not make it to the "A" team that they are not developing, that's a false assumption. All the B and C team players are developing but that doesn't mean they will develop to an A team player. Look at career backup players in the NFL, why aren't they ever starters (unless someone gets hurt)? Aren't they developing?Some athletes are more gifted than others, some work harder. Its not hard to understand this. Some players will always be better than others. Two kids can train the exact same for a year and the odds are one player is better than the other. That my friend is just reality.
My daughter played for Atletica, both the A and B teams for Match Fit and FCCopa. She's just fine playing for them as she doesn't feel the kind of pressure had she been with the Gunners. Still receives top-notch training in a very competitive and positive environment. So we pay the same tuition on the B Team - it's just the way it is. Don't like the system? Stay in your town team, that's fine, too. We've been there and there really IS a difference when you play for an organization such as PDA.
To say that there is no development within a club if no b team kids are promoted is really Polyanna thinking. ther are far better indicators of development than b team promotion (thats another post) Fact is the b team kids might lack the skill, soccer IQ, athleticism, or more likely even the drive or stamina to achieve and maitain A team status. Most kids beyond the top 5 or so on the a top ecnl team are on a roller coaster of playtime and respect. This can be difficult to handle for both the adolescent and her family. These players might be top five on another ecnl team or slighlty less accomplished team and be happier in this environment and they frequently leave (often right before they are cut)There also often is a trade, the top kid from the other team thinks she will be a top 5 on the top ecnl team (and sometimes she is) and risks the change. The churn then starts all over again. Just the way it is...There are only about 5 happy families on any top team.Absolutely the A team bottom 5 can interchange with the b team top 5. However, the club doesnt see the point in exchanging equal kids. They would rather bring in a kid who is lesser known because they might not be a bottom 5 player with additional formal training or might bring something that is lacking to the team. Further if their bottom 5 are content and not poison on the sidelines, even more likely that they wont be exchanged for a b team kid whose family has been resentful and whining for years that she is better than x,y,z A team player. Fact is the club knows well the ability of the b team kids and rarely does a kid experience a leap in development substantial enough to warrant an experiement with the A team. If a b team kid truly is a late bloomer, the best clubs are more than happy to promote from within; it just doesnt happen that often. The best clubs theoretically will never promote a b team player because in the perfect Polyanna world, the A team is also developing at the same rate as all of the other players so the kids just move along the development continuum in parallel. The reality is that the A team kids develop more quickly and the seperation increases because they are given more and better reasources and can train/play with and against better players/teams.
10:21 I agree with your assessment of A, B, and C teams, I don't agree with it with respect to PDA because the DOC has told us directly that they will strive for promotion when kids are good enough. So far there have only to have been a couple of times that promotion actually occurred I view it as lip service to keep people with a carrot to keep interested in playing for a lower team. In most cases it has been a few games rather than actually being promoted to the Gunners. It is a bit absurd that the carrot gets dangled but they rarely give kids a nibble. PDA is a different situation as well because not all of their teams pull from the same geography.
I genuinely hope that all of the replies above HAVE NOT come from actual PDA staff. My guess is Eric Harris (and maybe one other person) has done more to damage the reputation of PDA than any other message board or group of people could ever have done.Thank you for your written testimony that "acquiring" players, "A" players from other "A" teams has nothing to do with development.DC Shore
RUmor has it that Tim Howard's parents were on the USMNT Soccer blog immediately after the getting through to the group stage to report the score an d debate with people the merits of US Soccer Development. His parent's then came on to the USMNT board with in minutes of losing to Belgium to defend the technical development of the USMNT compared tot the rest of the world. His parents then went on to defend leaving Landon Donovan off the squad saying that sometimes B team players just have to accept that they are not good enough.The Howard's were offered the opportunity to have dinner with the son and celebrate his world cup performance, but they declined saying "nah man I have to to go write on a blog for those cats rather than being a bit humble.
DC shore if your kid is really an A team player and has ambition to play D1 in college you may be doing her a disservice by keeping her on whatever team (have you identified her affiliation) you so aggressively defend. If she does have these goals, then you need to get her on a team that will participate in at least the top 2 flights of major tournaments (FC Stars, Jeff Cup CASL etc)or an ECNL club. Further she needs a coach who has placed players in D1 programs in the past and knows and has the confidence of the college coaches.If she has no aspirations to play in college or D3 level, then she is probably fine where she is.However, to say that there is a problem with development because players dont move up from b to a often at the top ecnl clubs is naive and just wrong. These clubs are developing players at some of the fastest rates in the country. Hence the problem of moving up a level within their clubs. You really dont even know because you havent had the experience to make this judgement. Some of us with more than one child have experienced many soccer worlds and understand more than you do about it. Some of us even have played at relatively high levels and can readily undertand the improvements we see in our children.How about you? Since you seem to be so concerned with the b team kids and mega clubs development, what metrics or even observations do you use to evaluate your child's development?
What are your metrics that "These clubs are developing players at some of the fastest rates in the country." There has been several links posted on this site by people far more in the know than most on this site that support that the US whether at the Town club, ECNL, or D1 level the US does not do an effective at developing players. Of 32 teams in the World Cup so far, the US was 31 in terms of possession. That doesn't say much for the US Elite development.
Here is a World Cup Metric for you. The US between 15-20 million people playing soccer. The population of Belgium is about 10 Million. How is it that Belgium totally outplays the US and if not for an amazing goalkeeping performance the score could have been 6-0? I believe it is development. What you call rapid development, I believe is bring the "scrappy", fast, and big players that are not tactically and technically sound. The US has also lost its perch as the best Country for US Women's Soccer. Germany has been the best Women's team in the last 20 years and Japan tactically outplayed the US in the last World Cup. We will see,with another women's world cup next year. But if you think that the US Elite system is so good, you would think that it would show through at the National levels and the US by far has more girls playing soccer than anywhere in the world.
In a country of 10 million, the Belgium World Cup team has 3 players on Chelsea, 1 Liverpool, 2 Manu, 1 Bayern Munich, also Tottenham, Everton and Man City. I don't think there is a strong argument that Belgium has better athletes. Nope, I would guess that development has a lot to do with it.
You think the US struggles in men's soccer because other countries are better at development? That is naive, shortsighted, and unrealistic.In all of these countries soccer is the number one show in town and kids grow up dreaming of being soccer stars.In the US, the best athletes are not playing soccer, which is probably the 4th or 5th most popular sport among teenage boys. I'm not sure if that will ever change so, unless it does, we all will have to accept it. Talent will beat out top coaching and training any day of the week.The US didn't choose to play the way they did against Belgium. Belgium and their superior skill dictated that the US would have to sit back and defend because trying to pressure the ball to win possession would have been disastrous. Again, this wasn't strategy, but merely the only means of survival. Our status in soccer will not change until we get more of our superior athletes making soccer their number one choice. If you think it's about training and development, then shame on you.
12:52-"Biggest club in Pa"?? Who is actually the biggest club in Pa.
I and a lot of other people in the know believe that the US has a screwed up training and development system, from pay-to-play, to emphasizing athletics over skill, to closed systems of competition in the MLS down to the youth level. There has been enough published about that to find what people are saying about US soccer and the development culture. Yes I do believe that it has a lot to do with development, and it has to do with no embedded soccer culture, and no pick-up soccer.The US has 40X more kids playing soccer than in Belgium, are you saying that in that 35:1 ratio we do not have athletes playing soccer of equal quality to Belgium. That is ridiculous to think.
DC Shore.I am curious. Does your team develop players that were not "A" type players into A type players?If so, how many players have they developed into "A" type players from u13 up?To develop an A type player doesn't the initial talent have to be there first?Does your Club get many A type underdeveloped players? Or do they turn B talented players into A type players?I am curious to hear your answer.Also If they don't turn every "B" talented player into an A type player, what would be the reason for failing in this endeavor?I am not a PDA parent but would like to hear your answer. I can speak from my experience on the matter.I have 3 children of different talent levels that have gone through the youth soccer system.
"Also If they don't turn every "B" talented player into an A type player, what would be the reason for failing in this endeavor?"----> No, they don't turn every "B" player into an "A". If for no other reason than that may not be the individual team goal or philosophy.From my own personal observation many teams/orgs fail in this regard because of a weak program to start of a lack of execution on a strong program. My personal philosophy is that you are either about winning or developing at the youth level. You cannot 'truly' be about both. Hence my criticism about Academy teams stocking teams full of the best players and athletes, providing them quality training but always ready to pull the plug if the next best thing becomes available. Same goes with lower Academy and Club teams continually using guest players in order to achieve results. It's no wonder we can not field a decent national team with this kind of mentality."I am not a PDA parent but would like to hear your answer. I can speak from my experience on the matter." "I have 3 children of different talent levels that have gone through the youth soccer system."----> I'm not a PDA parent either. I am speaking from experience as well. I have multiple children in the sport. Played it growing up and get to hang with some professional heavies around the game now.I did my best.DCShore
1:55 is exactly right.We have plenty of athletes playing soccer. We just do not have enough playing THE GAMEDCShore
@12:15Look at what you wrote!!!!!"You think the US struggles in men's soccer because other countries are better at development? That is naive, shortsighted, and unrealistic......The US didn't choose to play the way they did against Belgium. Belgium and their superior skill dictated that the US would have to sit back and defend because trying to pressure the ball to win possession would have been disastrous. "So you set this up nicely. You yourself admit that Belgium with their "superior skill", not athleticism, dictated the game to the US. Yet your answer is for the USMNT to call up more athletes? Develop more athletes?How about DEVELOPING some skilled players?DCShore
@9:56Your are exactly right.Our WNT has lost its athletic edge and now those teams that were or have developed into more technically sound players are outplaying our athletes.I loved the fact that our Womens team was so dominant back in the day. It should have been a springboard to get folks excited about the sport, learning the finer nuances, and putting together a National development program. Instead it became a pyramid scheme for people to make money.It's sad but true. We missed the initial opportunity hopefully we do not let it slip into an abyss like it did for the MNT for all of those years in the late 50's, 60's and 70's. It can happen. Look at a country like Hungary. Once soccer masters...now a complete joke.DCShore
DC You still havent given us the metrics you use to assess development.
@July 5, 2014 at 10:01 AMAre you asking if I watch a game with a stop watch notating sprint times and speed on runs? Tracking 50/50 wins? The number of completed passes? Passes intercepted? Etc.?The answer is that NO, i do not. At the end of the day, and I have always maintained this. You watch the player/team play. Are they making good decisions? Are they covering the right spots on the field depending on the situation? Do they have comfort with the ball at their foot? Are they holding shape? Are there any intangibles to their game? Etc.I'm not staying that collecting stats is useless in fact in some ways it is very interesting to look at. But stats alone do not tell the full story. So much of what a player/tea does is determined by their opponent and game circumstances. When finding soccer homes for my children, I would always watch the team play first.How does the team play? How does subbing work? Do some players not come off the bench? How do they handle winning? Losing? What do the parents say/do on the sideline? What do the coaches say/do on the sideline.These are the critical elements I look at.DCShore
One of the problems in US development is the win first mentality at the earlier age groups. There is also a preference for strength - bigger, strong, less technical players over smaller, faster, technically savvy players. Look at Messi. In the US system, He would probably would have been considered too small by most coaches and assigned to a B team. If he did get to an elite team, the coach probably would have told him, he runs too high and needs to change how he runs with the ball. Then they would have told him he can't take that many touches with the ball because other players would be all over him and he would lose the ball....so he needs to one touch it to another player.Think I'm kidding. I'm going thru this first hand.
@July 5, 2014 at 10:36 AMYep. No doubt.Look at it this way...we still have players on the National Teams Diving In on Balls as a rule as opposed to an exception. 15+ years of hearing "pressure, pressure, pressure..." and "you gotta want it" will do it to ya!Look at the MLS. How many times can you watch the ball go out of bounds? How many through balls to nobody? I don't see a lot of good thinking from many of the players. I bet their sprint times are world class though :)DCShore
DC Shore, I want your opinion on this? Our current team only plays the original 11-12 players that have been on the team for a long time. My daughter plus another 5 players are leaving since they only play 5-10 minutes a half. These players attend practice regularly, particpate in extra training, and pay the same amount as other players. When we first joined the team they only had 12 players and they brought in 6 players. So is this fair to the development of players to play only 5 minutes? As it turns out this season they are looking for players again since their roster is down to 12 players again. What type of team do you recommend we look for to avoid the same again. Thanks
No doubt the best WC teams have a technical possession game vastly superior to the US's. That said they also all have speed and athletes as well. If you look at all the top scorers they have sick speed and run like that all game long (athletes).
Speed and Agility this Sunday if your interested at 9:00am for the younger group and 11:30 for the older group I will be doing it at Raritan High School419 Middle RoadHazlet NJ 07730Eric Harris
DC you know your soccer history - the Hungary comment proves that to me Bravo. So you know a little something (a lot) about the GAME. I agree if we opened it up early against Belgium they would have crushed us - I hate saying that because I am a big MLS guy and thought we bridged the gap a little. In the foreign system, they develop some players but most of the time the better players find them. They leave their small village teams to play for a bigger town tam then they leave that town team to play for a city team and the really good ones eventually make it to CLUB. That doesn't happen in the states. US Club soccer put a league together to attract the best players, but it still doesn't because you still have people putting it down. US Club soccer is trying to build a pyramid for the kids. Until we have one system with one avenue to develop true SOCCER players not kids just looking for some money for college we will have this issue.
11:20 You are right, and the best player is an athlete that has the technical capability. The US has more kids playing soccer than anywhere else in the world, I tend to believe it is a development issue not an athletic one, I don't believe that the US has to make a trade-off between athletes and technical ability, but you do not see it with other countries. Belgium in this World CUp is a great example. Do you really think that Belgium with 10 million people, which is half of the amount of people than the US has kids playing soccer has far superior athletes in soccer that are being developed. The Netherlands are also a great example of a small country that constantly develop great soccer plays.
11:33 I totally agree with you. What I was trying to say earlier (11:20) was at this level they are all sick athletes so that is a wash. There are players with a speed edge, or a great finisher that can make a difference but all in all the team that controls the game by possessing the ball creates more opportunities and chances to score. My daughter has played for 2 clubs and both were trying to teach the right things, unfortunately for (most) parents its a long process and lots of losing at the youth level. A number will just take their kid to a club that "wins" and that is where it starts to break down. In the US everyone wants to win and win now not in two or three years, so in reality youth soccer mirrors the culture and intellect that currently prevails in the US. Go to a U10 game and watch the parents screaming at a ref about an offsides call… College is just an extension of what youth soccer is producing. Until the US (public) understands the game at a higher level I doubt we will see much change at the youth and college level. It will take an educated public to force a change of that magnitude.
Guys, it's the teachers. It's simple. We have all these kids learning the game from Baseball & Football coaches/parents. OF course you have to be a superior athlete to play at the international level. But why are they more technical? Because we have the MLS for approx 20 years. If the NASL could have survived the COSMOS would have been a global brand the NASL would have been the league to attract the best players and coaches from around the globe. What good is it if we have all these athletes and each are being told this the way to go - USYSA, US Club, USL to name a few. Instead of having all these great athletes come together and train together to push each other - we ARE all about the MONEY. US Club soccer I think is trying to build a pyramid. Rec >>>> Trave >>>> Premier League >>>> NPL >>>> ECNL!!!!!! It's a clear path to put kids of equal ability together. But NO this is not good enough - so we have local leagues >>>>> local premier leagues >>>>> region 1 leagues >>>> National a leagues >>>>> SO now we have two paths each telling us their path is the right approach. We have athletic kids learning the game - but we don't have TEACHERS teaching them the game. At least you can find soccer on TV now and the kids can try to be creative on their own.Look at Jurge, in a short time I thought he did wonders with what he has. We need more top European and Latin coaches teaching the game of FUTBOL not Baseball & Football Coaches/parents teaching the game.Just my 2 cents
PS. E that was no knock on you.
No worries see I'm comfortable in my skin and what you say is 100% correct so....I'm over here reading it and shaking my head in agreement with your words. Eric Harris
PSS. We do have more coaches that have played the game teaching SOCCER sorry that I used futbol that's so non-american. My bad. But the problem is these coaches come with a price - the good coaches won't take the bad teams or the young teams for little to no money just to teach the game and I understand that Soccer is not huge they need to work and make money so they go to the Academies and that's why they are so expensive. On the Boys side it looks like the USSF Academy teams will all be for free at some points on the girls side we have a long way to go when you have bench players on a NWSL team making 6k a year. But I'm sure we have youth soccer coaches making more than that.Okay it's a nickel not 2 cents
@July 5, 2014 at 11:11 AMI hate to say this but you are probably looking at one of the more difficult times to look for a new team given the time of year and age of the players. Many teams have already had their tryouts, some are not even playing in the Fall because of High School and most importantly many teams have shut down so it is tough to watch them play.You did not provide a lot of detail about the actual training and such though so it is really tough for me to make such a call but with what you provided it does not sound like a great environment. I guess a big part of the equation should be why the turnover? Is the training dynamite but the playing time not equitable? Is the coach cutting players who are not performing? As far as finding a team my advice is fairly simple and consistentWrite your priorities down. How important is development on a scale of 1-10. Winning?Playing time?Is the goal to learn the game and see where it takes her (if anywhere)? Or is it playing D1 or bust?See if these priorities match that of the coach and team you are looking at. Again, try and watch them play. How are the players interacting with each other? Parents? Coaches, etc.NEVER SETTLE...but at the same time NEVER be a pain/thorn to the team and/or coach. Move on if your expectations are not being met.Truth be told there are many more bad places to play than good. That includes the club we belong to. From a financial perspective, assuming all of your expectations can be met it comes down to how much you might be required and/or willing to pay.DCShore
@11:31Even in my advanced age I am trying to still act like a sponge and soak up as much as I can. I attribute most of the current US Soccer woes to a poorly framed system that is invented purely by the profit motive (hence very closed). Any serious changes, changes you and I would both agree with, would put a lot of the current guard and tournaments out of business. EVERYONE is trying to make a buck in soccer now. Remarkably, there is still a lot of money being thrown at the sport from parents. As someone else alluded to, a successful parent should be able to buy a Porsche, not purchase was league their child plays in.How many "speed and agility" schools, trainers also depend financially on this mentality? It's going to be tough to break this. Too much working against folks like us.@11:33 and 12:34Agree with many of your sentiments. DEVELOPMENT is about patience. It's about letting players develop over time. Physically, skill, tactics. etc. How many players are told at 8, 9, 10 , 11, even 15 years old "you don't have it". It's really insane to be part of such a thing especially if your program is about development. But we all know in truth most programs and parents are about winning. How's that working out for the National teams?Those who think we are at an athletic disadvantage do not understand THE GAME. They have limited their exposure to what they see with their child's team and/or what their coaches/club is telling them.DCShore
@12:42I actually expounded above before your post. Yep, we agree. Follow the money and see where the top of the problems are.It can change but most parents do not have the time or resources to know better. It's understandable as we are all so busy and not every one has the same background and passion for the support.VERY HEALTHY soccer talk going on here. Not one mention of "Does anyone know the score of...?" "Did anyone hear about how Team XYZ did?" or "What Wrong with Team ABC?" talk.Proud of this board!DCShore
I think we all kind of know what the cause is but how in the world do you fix it in a country so big?I would love for the clubs that are not academies of a pro team to affiliate themselves with a school. This way the school can start training the kids at u9 all the way up to when it's time to play for the school, they can use the money the parents payed into the club to decrease the tuition and the parents can pay the remainder if they are going to that school just for academics and if the kids make the rosters they can go to school for free.u9 $2ku10 $2ku11 $2ku12 $2ku13 $2ku14 $3ku15 $3ku16 $3k u17 $3ku18 $3kThat's $25k that goes to the school.For the kids that don't make the team they pay tuition - $25kFor the kids that make the team they play on a scholarship (the school already made $25k)And we can work out some transfer details to make sure the school's don't get short changed.This I believe would improve College Soccer a bunch. Its not perfect it may not even work - but it's me putting an idea down to try.another nickel from me.
If the US was able to develop a couple midfielders like Argentina - they would be able to keep possession and control the game. The problem is that Argentina midfielders aren't running around out of position putting "pressure....pressure" and trying to push girls off the ball so they can steal it. Argentina midfielders are using skills and speed to win the ball. That would be frowned upon at 95% of the teams in Northern Virginia. Most coaches desire 6 footers who you can't push off the ball and who can kick it a mile.
@2:08Interesting. I have to digest that a bit. @3:26I can only agree.How about a player like Bastian Schweinsteiger from Germany. Cool as a cucumber. Patient defending. Smart timed runs. Far form GO, GO, GO mentality of American midfielders. Running around like idiots chasing everything down to the players shooting foot.Some have argued that Bradley was misplayed by Klinsmann. That is certainly for discussion. But I was not surprised to hear that he had led the tournament in distance covered up until the time the US was eliminated. DCShore
I have posted links to this website and these guys before. They think winning is key to dvelopment:http://blog.3four3.com/2010/12/11/winning-vs-soccer-development-really-thats-the-problem/http://blog.3four3.com/2010/12/11/winning-vs-soccer-development-really-thats-the-problem/
On that topic. There was an article floating around about a year ago (need to see if I can find) about a European player who as a kid barely made the reserve team. The coaches were high on so many players above this kid. As a adult, this kid is the only one playing professionally. I think this was in the Netherlands. I need to check my email and old Facebook posts to see if I can find the article. But it definately countered the CW that by age 15 you could tell pick the future stars.
Here is the articlehttp://www.soccerwire.com/blog-posts/getting-it-right-why-talent-selection-doesnt-work-well-enough/#.UsNyVGcwiSs.aolmailIn 2010, that last boy picked, Simon Kjaer (pictured above), was a starting center back in Denmark’s first game of the 2010 World Cup in South Africa against the Netherlands. Since 2004, he has appeared 30 times for Denmark, and played club soccer for Palermo and Roma in Italy, Wolfsburg in Germany, and currently plays for Lille in France. Not too shabby for the kid no one wanted at age 15.Six months after Simon Kjaer took the last roster spot at FC Midtjylland, the club director collected the eight staff coaches in a room, and handed them all a piece of paper. They were asked to list the five current players (out of 16 on the roster) most likely to advance the furthest in the next five years. The results were then sealed in an envelope and locked away.Five years later, shortly after Kjaer was sold to Palermo for a tidy $6 million transfer fee, those results were opened. Not a single one of the highly qualified, UEFA “A” Licensed coaches even had Kjaer on his list!
Yeah stories like that are a dime a dozen. Neven Subotić played for the USA in the FIFA u17 world cup and also played two games for the U20 NT. He wasn’t picked for the u20 World Cup and was told he wasn’t good enough. So he switched and played for Serbia instead. Can you imagine having him as one of our CBs and Giuseppe Rossi who began his career with the Clifton Stallions also playing for the USA. Those would be two nice additions. Rossi left because he picked the better nation, Subotic left because he was told he wasn't good enough.
I think the physical geometry and climate of the US limit the comparison between us and the European countries. A large part of our population is excluded from ECNL, etc. I'm sure large portions of the country dont have adequate indoor facilities to train in when it's too cold (5 months of the year) European countries don't have to deal with these limits. Just a thought
1:52 That would be true if the US population was concentrated near metropolitan areas. 85 million of the 300 million people in the US live in Florida, Texas, and California. 50+ million people live in NY, Pennsylvania, CT. Mass and NJ where there are several ECNL clubs and likely ample financial resources for Indoor training. You can also add NC and Virginia as well and temperate climates like Washington and Oregon and you've covered more than 2/3 of the US. NJ training typically goes from late Feb/March through November for clubs that do not do indoor training. And although the extremes of parts of the US may not be there in Europe the Weather isn't great in Germany, Belgium, Netherlands, etc for kids to be training. I think that you'll find that the state with either geometry, climate and I will add financial resources, are not like the states wher you will find high population centers.
Geometry? I'm completely lost. Please elaborate.
Abby Wambach came from Rochester NY - the coldest city in CONUS without an ECNL team.Weather, ECNL has very little to do with developing quality players. Soccer politics, Coaching conflicts, Big Money, Preference for size over techniques - those are much larger factors in US soccer.Even on the girls side, our athletic advantage is declining. We need to develop technical players.What if the US was able to develop a player like Marta on the girl's side or Messi on the boy's side. A player who can hold the ball, attack 1v1, break another team's defense down. Focus the backline's attention on them, leaving their teammate open or being able to take on 2 and 3 defenders and still getting a quality shot. In the current system, dribbling is risky because even the best player makes bad decisions when they are young or loses the ball 25% of the time. Coaches freak. They need to win to keep the parent's happy so they can make money.soccer is big money. development is secondary.
Here demonstrates the problem....In Virginia, my daughter played for VSA. VSA was coached by a South American. South American soccer is footskills and dribbling. The team didn't win at U9 and U10, but the club developed possibly the two of the best dribblers in the area. Two former college coaches came in (one as technical director, the other to coach the team) - they supported the style. But the coach left to make more money at another club.Last year, went to an ECNL team coached by a European. Wanted physical players and one touch passing. So my daughter felt she couldn't take more than 2 touches on the ball or break down a defense.Conflicting coach styles due to international coaching influences. Depending on the type of coach you get (US, Europe, Africa, South America) - you could different training and coaching.There is no US style of play. While they try to standardize training - each coach focuses on specific items they view as key to winning. Which is the real root cause. It is all about winning. Not about making mistakes, learning and developing. Win, because club pride and rankings and points are key.
Totally agee that the coach dictates the style of play and choses players that fit that style. Therefore if you have a small technical dribbler who can hold the ball and break down defenses off the dribble or with a great pass, you must find her a match with a coach who supports her abilities. Otherwise she will become fearful and turn into just an undersized player coming off the bench. You must find the right team for this type of player; without the confidence to take players on and beackdown defenses she will be mediocre. Dont let her lose her mojo. The other question is she small because her parents are small or is she small because she is physically immature and you can expect catch up growth in the next year or so.
Good luck to Freehold in the US Club Nationals.
July 8 - 2:13am. Coaches will value different other skill sets over others. It is not correct to assume a coach enjoys a certain style based on there country of origin. When people say European coach, they are unaware that there are many different styles of play across Europe. Also, I know many coaches who come from the same country in Europe who have very different opinions on how the game should be played and what skills should be coached at what level. I agree that finding a coach who supports your daughters style of play is a key component of deciding what team to play for....just don't make the mistake of assuming a European coach would not work based on coaching style stereotypes.
Anyone who has watch an 8 yo-11 yo game knows where the bad habits are being developed and then fostered in the older ages. Coaches play a game where big kids muscle through and fast kids run as fast as they can with ball. Those kids dominate and coaches do nothing because it is easy to win at the young ages with fast strong kids. We create bad habits early and coaches continue it later on.
It is actually really sad because these big/ and or fast/ and or early puberty kids are now starting to be left in the dust. They are left wondering what happened and many lose any passion they once held for the game. Only if they maintained focus on technical development will they continue with their success at the highest levels. they will remain successful at travel and high school where the defenses will never match them. The superstars are no longer shinning bright in the higher level game and the technical kids are beginning to have their day. No one can argue with results. many of the smaller technical kids are starting to catch up in size and I enjoy watching them slice and dice through a defense and score with much more regularity than the "athletic" beasts now that the higher levels' backs are matching the previous stars size and speed.
7:50 My daughter is now about 5'5'' or 5'6''. When she was younger, she was on the small side. That is what we did, take her back to an old coach whose definition of possession style allows for multiple touches on the ball if space is available and will give her an opportunity to make mistakes.That was the problem on the ECNL team. When she is aggressive with the ball at her feet. She is creative and effective at helping the team attack. Simple one touch, she can do it, but doesn't stand out or significantly help the team.You are correct, I can't assume every coach's point of origin dictates style. One of the college coaches was English and he let her take as many touches on the ball as needed. Not every player can dribble and break down other players. But the ones who can are really effective and we need to see how far she can go with it.The good news is the new team is super excited. At tryouts, she was running around the field stealing the ball from anyone who came in the middle and dribbling it deep into the attacking third. Everyone (coach, parents, and players) recognize the skill and think it can help the team achieve new heights.The clincher for me was she came off the field and said this was the first time this year she wished practice never ended. She is back enjoying the game. That is all that counts.
1029A little trouble following you. Did your child start at an ECNL team, go back to a local team which supported her style of play, grow to above average size and is now on a new team for U15? Is the u15 team an ECNL team or region 1 team? Has she been able to move back up the pyramid with her new growth and well developed skills?
10:29 - First let me say congratulations to your daughter, sounds like she is having fun and found a new home. That said I'm not sure I understand what you mean by "multiple touches on the ball?" If your daughter was slicing and dicing players at will at the ECNL level why would she (or the team) want to part ways? Any good coach will instruct players to take open space and force the defense to defend but that is something totally different than holding the ball under pressure. I have seen many U14 high level games (have daughter on ECNL team) and I can tell you when you play one of the better ECNL teams there is very little unchallenged space. The game at that level moves at a very fast rate and most if not all passes are challenged. What you see more than not are girls holding the ball too long and getting stripped. Our team looks to make quick passes and then that player moves to a position to get the ball back and or support the player with the ball. All done as quickly as possible. Regardless glad to hear your daughter is happy - you are correct that is what counts the most.
@8:50AMThat is exactly right. The English style is light years away from the Spanish style. Look at little Bosnia Herzegovina compared to France. Different styles each way of the map and as you mention even within countries there is disagreement. Look at what Pep is trying to do at Bayern and how it has influenced the German squad as an example.@1:34 I agree with your observation that there is little unchallenged space mostly because these "higher level teams" cannot play one and two touch soccer and are only use to pressuring teams off the ball in order for them to win it and then try and outpace other teams. As you mention with your team, a team that knows THE GAME can slow the game down quite a bit. Look at what Germany does once it gets a lead. All the pressure in the world barely gets to them because they know THE GAME and can switch tactics very quickly and efficiently. In Spains reign they barely got touched when holding the ball. It had nothing to do with them being better athletes, just made better decisions with the ball and their speed of thought was greater than many of their opponents.We could go on and on but we need our youth players to learn THE GAME, all facets, tactics and techniques, so they get better manage games and react more appropriately to different situations. DCShore
DC I agree with that but for future reference we should stick to comparing women with women and leave the men (teams) out of it. Even at high school games the boys varsity games are night and day different than the varsity girls kickball games. Same at pro level - mens games are like watching a different sport than a women's game. Not sure why that is but I can use our games as a reference. We are not a huge team, below average size but have better than average speed and technical ability. We are set up to play a possession game but struggle against larger faster midfields. We get blown up in the midfield by larger faster pressuring midfielders. Tons of contact that some might call a foul but with older girls and college it will never be called a foul. When you are giving up 15 to 25lbs and to some extent speed you will struggle big time in midfield (or most other positions). I totally agree with you about playing "the game" and am totally at a loss as to why I don't see our team and others handle that type of game better. It's like they get forced into a direct game and the opposite should be occurring. You have to win the midfield or you are doomed. See it at the women's pro level as well, not impressed.
1:34 What you see more than not are girls holding the ball too long and getting stripped.you are correct, most of the girls who hold the ball for a long time end up losing. Optimal word is most. Not all. It really comes down to being able to play in tight space. Interesting enough, my daughter had her strongest games at PDA playing against some of the better ECNL teams when the head coach wasn't there and the club president encouraged the girls to not be so worried about quickly getting rid of the ball because they were making bad decisions.A coach can focus a team to a point where the players are so paranoid about losing the ball that it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy and strips them of the individual strengths and skills that made them elite level players who were worthy of making the team in the first place.
@ July 8, 2014 at 4:11 PM"A coach can focus a team to a point where the players are so paranoid about losing the ball that it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy and strips them of the individual strengths and skills that made them elite level players who were worthy of making the team in the first place."----> Definitely. Players (at any level) afraid of making mistakes, usually do. DCShore
@July 8, 2014 at 3:06 PM"Even at high school games the boys varsity games are night and day different than the varsity girls kickball games. Same at pro level - mens games are like watching a different sport than a women's game. "------> I really cannot agree with this. For the most part boys and girls High School soccer is kick/jungle ball. At least with what I see. I'm sure there are exceptions but I believe it has a lot more to do with coaching/team philosophy than gender.As an example, I saw FC Kansas play from the women's league. They knock the ball around pretty damn good. Much better than many MLS squads. At least the games I have watched.I actually do view the game being played the same way regardless of gender. If your point is that the boys/mens are a bit ahead of the girls/women, I am willing to buy that to some extent as many of the programs and clubs have been around longer.DCShore
Does anybody now how EDP is grouping teams for the U15G Tier I. This is an idea to make EDP much more competitive Tier I - championshipTeam Name1) TOMS RIVER FCEVERTON2) SOUTH JERSEY ELITE BARONS '993) LEHIGH VALLEY UNITEDLVU '94) NEW JERSEY RUSH99 BLUE5) FC COPA ACADEMY MILAN6) MANHATTAN SC SANTOS7) ALLEYCATS 99/008) SMITHTOWN KICKERS SCHOTSPU9) EAST ISLIP SCRED STORMTier I - Elite1) DELAWARE RUSH / HOCKESSIN SC2) SDFC PANTHERA3) NJSA 04BULLDOGS GREY4) WWPSA MERCER FC MAGIC5) WESTFIELD SAFC PREMIER FIR6) MARYLAND RUSHNIKE PREMIER5)6) FREEHOLD SL CELTIC7) SCOTCH PLAINS FANWOOD SASP8) GREATER FLEMINGTON SCSTRYKTier I - Superior 1) FC POCONO ELITEELITE '99-02) PIPELINE SC BLACK3) PACHUCA FC DRAGONS4) HFC READY '995) NJ WILDCATSTROUTMAN-ASL6) UKRAINIAN NATIONALSKYIV DY7) MONTGOMERY UNITED SCMONU '8) JERSEY UNITED SOCCERSPARTA9) NEW JERSEY RUSH99' GREY
Based on Spring results!! This will make more sense!!
Sounds good, really does, but be realistic here. EDP will grow this fall season by at least another bracket maybe two. There will be more teams that you and I don't even know about yet that are being formed, combined, etc. There are teams moving from JAGS whether good or bad, they are coming. Plan on about 7-8 brackets for our age group and water downed competition. EDP is taking the JAGS route.
AP at WCFC has been shown the door. What now for the new players who looked for the pot of gold up North.PDA gets top billing by default. No Stallions in the EDP for next year?
Is that true about AP at world class< Sounds like at rumor somebody is spreading for all the world class haters . Has anybody got confirmation of this ?
AP definitely gone at WC and no longer mentioned on their website. I haven't seen confirmation that he was fired or he left for a new job.
The NY blog is saying that he is going to Albertson.
Stallions getting spanked in NC at NPL Finals. NEFC continues to impress. Might be all Mass. final against FC Stars.
That would be tough for him considering. He lives in nj.By the way who thought the stallions are a good team.
NPL Final Standings as of todayFlight A6 (+6) NEFC (MA)4 (+0) Inland Empire Surf (CAS)1 (-1) FC Alliance (WA)0 (-7) Space City FC (TX)Flight B16 (+2) Elite Girls Academy (NE) 0 (-3) NJ Stallions Stampede (NJ) 0 (-6) MFC Fire 00G Premier (MS) Flight B26 (+4) NM Rush (NM)3 (+2) FC Stars (MA)3 (+1) ISC Gunners (WA)Seeding as of today#1 NEFC (MA)#2 NM Rush (NM)#3 Elite Girls Academy (NE)#4 Inland Empire Surf (CAS)
PA Strikers playing in PA Classic this weekend. They should win bit all! No competitions!http://events.gotsport.com/events/schedule.aspx?EventID=33217&ApplicationID=2388880
The "state champion" Hershey Elite fall to perennial powerhouse PA Classics 2-1. Can't wait for the write up on the game. On the edge of my seat waiting for the commentary on the 10-0 beating the PDA NPL team delivered. Strikers probably giving kids who didn't play much at regionals playtime or are trying out guests.
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NJ Team in last place. I guess kick and run does not work!!!!! Team MP W D L GF GA Pts 1: FC PENNSYLVANIA STRIKERS (PAE) 2 2 0 0 7 0 6 2: PA CLASSICS ACADEMY '99 (PAE) 2 2 0 0 5 2 6 3: HFC READY '99 (PAE) 2 1 0 1 2 1 3 4: LDC UNITED HURRICANES 99-00 (PAE) 2 1 0 1 4 2 3 5: HERSHEY ELITE FC 99 (PAE) 2 1 0 1 5 4 3 6: STA MORRIS UNITED NPL 99 (NJ) 2 0 0 2 3 7 0 7: NJ WILDCATS TROUTMAN (NJ) 2 0 0 2 0 10 0
Classics beats Pa Strikers in PKs. Go figure.
Quickstrike beats FC Copa in Central Jersey final. Again
Copa tied quickstrike and lost in pks
1-0 final score is what was posted on site CJ tournament.Was it a tie or a lose?
Anyone knows where the pda breakers are playing in spring...jags?
Is the rumor about pda pride true??
Why leave us hanging, what rumor. Explain.
Is this team breaking up? They have a full roster!!
Mutiny against the lies they have been fed for three years, can't really blame the parents and players.
what lies have they been fed ? some girls have moved up . Most of the other girls not good enough to make the gunners ecnl team. They have not lied to anybody there. If you are good enough you can move up . If not they stay and try to improve .
I'm sick and tired of the same comments. PDA ECNL is NOT the ultimate team regardless of what some people may think. Players can be seen by coaches on a top town team, you don't have to be in a top academy and take the BS from parents like the ones that post of this forum. I refuse to go to one of those top ECNL teams since you have nasty parents on the sideline talking about your child like they are garbage. I would leave PDA Pride and get onto a top town team. NOt worth the money and aggravation.
Regardless of how you feel about PDA or Pride or whatever, I would hope this is not true. It's about the girls! Some really good players there, that have nothing to do with the animosity some of you have. With many teams done tryouts and teams already having 18 rostered, where would they end up? Is that what you wish for these girls, no team? Think about the kids when you derive happiness from an unfortunate experience. If you have moved on, you should not carry such ugliness. It's not good for your health. Whether you feel you were lied to, or crappy things happened, not one of those girls is responsible, period! Some of them may even be your kids friends. Jeez.
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