Friday, January 5, 2018

U18 (2000) Girls Youth Soccer

This page is focused on Under 18 girls youth soccer, primarily in Region 1 and everyone is invited to post.

Teams face increased competition for the top players, (who are increasingly attending college showcases).

More teams consolidate and the best teams--academy soccer, club soccer and high school teams--battle to attract and retain the right player mix.

Stay tuned. This is bound to be good.

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Anonymous said...

After witnessing tryout season, it has become 100% fact that there are no clubs left that have player development as their priority. "Poaching" is a good term used in this blog, or the chase for the new toy.
All about results, numbers, notoriety and embellishing the coach's resume.

Anonymous said...

737 Develop players for what? NT? College? Individually? there are different levels and each one is right.

Not really. Thats the myth that has been sold to justify all the varying levels. Development is development. You dont develop kids for the NT. A talented player who get good coaching, works hard and develops becomes good enough to get consideration. The levels you list are simply reflective of different levels of ability and desire. Not who has been developed less or more.



Anonymous said...

You just said...absolutely nothing!
Are you a politician or soccer coach by chance?

Anonymous said...

I think you have the club tied mentality a bit wrong. Maybe your player was displaced because an ECNL player was demoted and came to your team, this is not the fault of the player or parents it is at the club level. Very few players have the power, there are probably a handful of players across each age group that can easily move between teams/clubs at the top tier without hurting their playing time, commitment chance and overall soccer resume. For the most part the Clubs and coaches are always looking for someone who they think is better then your kid. The loyalty should not exclusively be player to club, it should be club to player, especially at the sophomore level. Although at our club last year I saw a coach be a bit loyal to his players with bad results. I believe the club wanted to demote a coach and did not have a replacement in mind so they moved up the younger age coach, he took most of his players with him but has not done well this season playing against older teams. It is a delicate balance.

Anonymous said...

For the person wanting kids to be club tied, isn't there a place for the kids bumped on your club so they would be club tied as well? Don't they have a B/C team for these kids?

Anonymous said...

Most clubs do but at this age it's all about showcase right?
Most b/c teams do not play the "top" tournaments bc they must qualify by individual results....

Anonymous said...

142 is it? By this age 2000 birth year I would assume that most kids on top teams have interest from schools OR have been seen. Surely showcasing is only important to kids who have not committed OR are still undecided.

So why dont Clubs have SHOWCASE team that attends these events?

becasue its not about that is it . Its almost always about winning .

Anonymous said...

1:58 I agree with a few things you said.
I however find it a bit pompous or elitist to think that most 2000s do not need showcasing...I think the percentage is lower than you think for those who have committed or picked a school. Most posters on here lie about their daughters' accomplishments.
Yes it's all about winning, sadly....

Anonymous said...

For ECNL I believe the composite teams were "The next level down" but after last years re-alignment I believe players/parents are snake bit as girls relegated to the B team as a 99/00/01 realized that other A teams may pick them up. As a parent of a daughter who was relegated I can attest to not sticking with the club that evaluated and dropped her a level. Plus there were other extenuating circumstances. I will say that my daughter has a place to play in college and it was one of her top 3. But I know of girls who want to play in college that were relegated and stayed with the club that do not know their future. 2 specific players were told they could try to walk on (2017 grad) and there are quite a few 2018 grads that are still hustling with ID camps.

Anonymous said...

2:22 - i am not other poster and don't consider myself elitist as I always pass along info learned about various colleges and spots that may be open. I'm not one of those that hoards that kind of info. My kid can only play at one school.

You are right. I guess many parents hype their kids as far as where they are going. I guess I just figured most kids were just waiting for final grades, sat/act scores, etc. to finalize spots.

What is the percentage of those still waiting for spots do you think? That is a good discussion, any ideas how to help these gals who may be lost in the system.

Anonymous said...

3:18 PM
Not the original poster but I like your idea about helping other players. My daughter is committed verbally. Our experience was unique as I think everyone's is to an extent. And the work is not done as she is a 2018. We had 2 coaches indicate that they would be making offers at the official visit. the process with these coaches started in the fall of her freshman year. These are not D1 powerhouses but relatively local schools with the major she wanted and good soccer programs. She (we) did a lot of the work, her club coach was little to no help (ECNL), I think the reason for this is she was choosing soccer based on a school and not school based on soccer. Her decision would not pad his resume based on her commit. So the work was on her to know the teams, know which players would be graduating the year she is coming in as well as her sophomore year. She contacted coaches, visited campus during open houses and asked to meet with the coaches (Sophomore year), the coaches met with her, were courteous but made no indications of interest. She then emailed and thanked the coaches along with her soccer resume and game schedule. We received Clinic/Camp invites and attended, both coaches showed up to a few games, she emailed and thanked them. Each coach invited her to visit and meet the team and watch training (we also attended a few games). Final meeting with the one coach resulted in the "We like you and will be putting together an offer" , the other coach continued to send camp invites. Both attended a tournament this year, both sent her glowing emails about how well she played, neither made an offer. A school that she just started talking with in the fall of sophomore year followed the same path, made her an offer and we are looking forward to 4 more years of soccer after high school. We found out that the one school was expecting a transferred red shirt, and the other coach indicated that he had drug his feet and missed out as he was intending to prepare an offer.

At this point for 2017’s most spots are walk-on, D2 still has limited spots, and D3 will start looking at 2018’s through the fall. – This is from coaches we talked to and how their recruiting cycle goes. Look for schools that are graduating a lot of players the spring your daughter is going in, be versatile as a coach may not have a spot at center mid, but may see your daughter as coachable and able to fill a need.

Anonymous said...

222 not what I said.

By this age 2000 birth year I would assume that most kids on top teams have interest from schools OR have been seen.

Read it again .

Anonymous said...

349 i and the OP who mentioned Showcase teams.

thats how you help them. You devote resources in the Club to help those who need it most. Instead of chasing Ws in league play and ignoring the kids at the end of the bench. Instead of adding another YNT prospect to your team , you work with #11 on your roster and take as much pleasure in her commit /improvement as you do the top kids on your roster.

This is one reason a REAL DA would be good. One based solely on merit. It would carve out the kids who dont need as much help with recruiting. the ones who just need help refining their games and picking which school. Thats not what we are headed towards at present.

Unfortunately, its big business and the audience (parents) are willing marks (largely due to a lack of real knowledge in the sport)

The current diversion is ECNL vs GDA , but thats a sideshow. Improving your game to a point wher its a real resume enhancer and gets you to a school that was maybe a stretch should be the real goalfor the vast majority

The ECNL is not really doing that. Sure, they are giving you exposure and a platform, but delegating all the power to a select few and to the Clubs = massive variation in basic standards and no enforcement. Colleges are a captive audience and have to take X number of players , so its natural they will take the best available.

GDA is flawed too because only a few kids are really passionate about the game. You dont need to force the 95pct to do something simply to satisfy the 5 pct.

Im glad my kid has one year left .


Anonymous said...

Amen. This stuff gets more and more crazy each year.

Anonymous said...

Kind of relevant as per above posts:
http://www.soccerparenting.com/tiffeny-milbrett-stop-youth-soccer-recruiting/

Anonymous said...

not sure i get her point.

Anonymous said...

Summing it up with her ideas, she has good points:
Transfer Periods that only happen in select time periods
Fees paid to the club from the other club taking the player
No releases until those Transfer Periods – unless clubs agree
Outright Rules and Regulations against tampering and recruiting
Actual accountability, enforcement and penalties to the rules

I don't see solution. Free market and choices.

Anonymous said...

On the Tiffany Milbrett article, I can see the point at the boys DA level where MLS sponsored teams cover the cost for the players. There is an investment in training players that they hope will eventually sign a pro contract. In girls soccer there is a different environment which is paid for by the parents. Moving teams or hearing offers is just good consumer practice. I think it's an ego builder when someone from another team asks me if my daughter is interested in moving teams for next season, but I would not recommend she moves if she is happy, getting the best training, and seeing meaningful minutes. I think Tiffany is hurt by the fact that she "A USWNT Legend" can't keep players. If a player is leaving her team to play somewhere else she needs to look at why they left and determine if it was due to something she needs to change or the player is looking for something Tiffany does not provide. It's a free market system and if I am paying (a lot) for my daughter to play I will be very discretionary on where I invest my $$

Anonymous said...

1:58 I think you my be missing one point. College coaches do like to see their commits competing at Showcases during their Junior/Senior seasons. Coaches want to see the condition and progression even after a commitment has been made. Few coaches want to see a player sit back prior to entering college. Just ask any college coach.

Anonymous said...

Great to see Ms Milbrett get involved. We need ore of this from legendary players of days past.

Anonymous said...

1105 we do? becasue people like Heinrichs are doing a great job?

Anonymous said...

1001 there is nothing stopping them from doing so. There could be specific Unsigned Showcase events within the ECNL Unfortunately the league is really all about the Clubs and the Coaches- not the players.

What is the point of committed players flying all over the USA to play heavy minutes in showcase events ? If a School wnats to check on a committed Jnr/Snr - better to send an assistant to a league game on the first day ( ie the Sat game in the ECNL). Probably get a much better eval that way. Also a real indicator of interest as well.

Some of the onus has to be put back on the Colleges to actually make time to see players they are interested in. The Supermarket approach may increase the number of random unsolicited I guess. but I think its better for everyone if schools actually have to do a bit more work / spend a bit more money travel.

Anonymous said...

11:26 I can see thru your comments. I believe you feel since your child is now committed you should no longer be expected to shoulder the costs of traveling to additional showcases. This is a rather selfish and puts the uncommitted players in a difficult position. Players need a full team to allow them to perform at there best. Maybe by mid Junior year there are 9 of the 18 players who are committed, someone needs to play with them for the remaining showcases. They helped your child, they deserve the same courtesy. Staying home may help your wallet but does nothing for the other players. When you commit each year the commitment is not just to the club but also to her teammates.

Anonymous said...

I don't mind helping out the uncommitted kids after my kid verbally committed. What do you do when you have showcases that many of the uncommitted kids dial it in and don't show well to help themselves get committed? Under these circumstances, when is it enough?

And, as this is the new birth year thing so the newbies didn't help with the older already committed kids.

Just throwing this nugget out there to mix it up a bit.

Anonymous said...

3:46 - Just jumping in the Fray...
It is attitudes like yours that need to be adjusted when it comes to youth soccer. A verbal commitment is great but based on the college's coaches knowledge of the current team and where they will be playing they will still "check-in" with you daughter. I am sure they will not think well if your daughter folds her hands and says her job is done with her club team. Part of the process is seeing the commitment to the team and being a player that the coach will count on. I realize jet setting to the west coast a few more times is costly now that my daughter has her school, but I also realize the importance of finishing strong and maintaining her level of play. Maybe the ones who are still looking have resigned themselves to walking on somewhere or are done because they didn't get their pick. Or they are still in the process and are having a bad game. If you don't want to finish the year that is selfish, if you want to pull back for next year than find a lower level team - but explain that to the college coach...

Anonymous said...

3:46
Your words:

"I don't mind helping out the uncommitted kids after my kid verbally committed."

That's what's wrong...it's not about you dad!!!

Anonymous said...

some folks way off base. Im trying to understand how giving more minutes to uncommitted player hurts their showcase opportunities. All this finishing strong nonsense makes it sound like the only tool for improvement is 50 mins of game time 3 days in a row. Or that the only way a coach can see a recruits progress is in a showcase.

Here is the the thing - the PROCESS is becoming a better player, not flying all over the USA to in your words - assist other kids. Showing the coaches that they can play is on them, not the better kids. Perhaps more time training and less flying would make the difference.

Its not that there should be no showcases, there should be a lot fewer.. The only reason there are more is to pander to coaches and to market a league. To convince parents of what they are paying for.

Anonymous said...

7:59

Let me see if I understand your math. Your daughter is 17, a Jr in HS and committed to play in college. Her club team is scheduled to play in a few more league games, a showcase and some type of playoff in the mid west. You should be considerate of the players not committed and decide to not attend any events that are considered showcase? And for next year play only league games? You originally bought into the model, now that it has provided your desired outcome, a college commitment, you are going to bail out on the team. I guess this is what has been established by College FB players sitting out of bowl games. Well good luck to you and your daughter. I guess she won't be playing HS games in the fall either??

Anonymous said...

813 the MODEL does not GIVE the kids the success they achieve. They do via hard work, dedication and commitment to getting better. You guys dont seem too understand that you PAY for a service. Most kids would be better off, training, working on individual thngs they need to clean up and playing fewer games, than travelling to the WC 2x , to Fla 2x et etc. Its overkill

Its another way Clubs use parent $$ to further their own marketing ends.

Its really an indication of the brainwashing that has gone on that practicing in a hard and committed manner, going to league games and playing heavy minutes but suggesting cutting down on the Showcase schedule is considered bailing on a team.

Do you think an unincomiited player would prefer a better player to go to a showcase and take half her minute or that she plays a lot more and gets a chance to show what she can do? I think there are a meaningful number of people who would rather pay the money and hope that by being attached to a successful team their kid gets some offers even though she plays limited minutes.

Crazy.

Anonymous said...

8:30am

You are looking at changing the model. ECNL teams practice 3 times a week and play 2 games most weekends. If you daughter is ECNL and has been you know that is the model and will not change. If you don't like the model as an individual you can choose to not participate next year. You signed up for a season, you knew what was involved and you took a spot that could be available for someone else. So if your daughter is 17 and has a year remaining, move on to a league/program that does not have the same model. It's like buying a car that you customized and then taking it back asking for fewer options. You cannot take the car back and strip it down, but you can buy a new one. If it's the money that you are concerned about, you knew that going in as well. Additionally the rate of development once committed is on an even plane. Most college teams bring freshman in because they see potential, work rate and skills, but the new coach needs to fit them to the team. Your theory about individual skills and additional touches is on your daughter, once committed it is her job to maintain her fitness and skills and the showcases provide an opportunity to play and stay fit. Now it occurs to me that you might be on the other side of this and your daughter is not committed and you are huffy about the better/committed players getting minutes at showcases over your daughter. Well, you may need to re-evaluate your options and start looking at different schools for your daughter.

Anonymous said...

terrible analogy. I BOUGHT the product., I can choose NOT to use it.

Anonymous said...

851 Please save all the phony analysis. You have not answered any of the questions posed in the OP.

1. Why would a uncommitted player NOT benefit form more time on the field in a Showcase event
2. What is the purpose of the AMOUNT of travel once committed ?
3. Why are uncommitted players relying on others to "help" them getting committed by taking their minutes?

And your last comment is just laughable really. Truly. My kids statsus ( or lack of it) is irrelevant to the questions.

Anonymous said...

9:11


1. Why would a uncommitted player NOT benefit form more time on the field in a Showcase event - If they have not been recognized to this point additional minutes will not help their cause if they are not playing in front of the right coaches.

2. What is the purpose of the AMOUNT of travel once committed ? Loyalty to your team mates, honoring a contract, the right thing to do.

3. Why are uncommitted players relying on others to "help" them getting committed by taking their minutes? Not relying but leveraging, good players need support as much as great players.

And your last comment is just laughable really. Truly. My kids status ( or lack of it) is irrelevant to the questions. Not really, as a phantom poster you could be downplaying the need to have committed players attend showcases to free up playing time.

A little bit of advice from the coach at my daughters committed college. Right now I have my 2018 class picked, the depth chart has 2-3 players that I am looking at for a few spots but for the most part I know who will be coming in for 2018, I have my depth chart set for 2019 and will be looking at those players this spring. So at this age a good number of college coaches have their schedule full of players to watch. So for this year and next years showcases at U17/U18 your theory would apply for all players, what is the purpose.

Anonymous said...

929

And your last comment is just laughable really. Truly. My kids status ( or lack of it) is irrelevant to the questions. Not really, as a phantom poster you could be downplaying the need to have committed players attend showcases to free up playing time.

Cmon. You really need to think thru your comment. the theory you propose above is ludicrous.

Anonymous said...

Here's my daughter's take...
She's committed and wants to play as good a game and level as possible next year as a senior to prepare for her college play.
She also reveres her teammates and understands the team concept where everyone can benefit by the actions/play of the other.
She has personally told coach already that she wants to give up some of her starting time to others who can benefit.
Just another opinion...and it's the first time I ever post on the matter btw

Anonymous said...

9:47

I just realized that you really do not have a concept of what being a part of a team entails. Best of luck to your daughter hopefully she understands what a commitment means as you do not.

Anonymous said...

1006 its a very honorable and valid opinion. I guess my point is why should it be universally shared when everyone has different circumstances? its another flaw it the pay for play model and if Im honest another way of attempting excluding less affluent talent.

Anonymous said...

quite often the game level is significantly worse than available locally.

Anonymous said...

@10:19
10:06 here
Agreed. That's why it's just one opinion and my daughter's choice. I won't be like many other posters and act like my daughter's choice is only possibility.
Money is definitely a factor as many other ones

Anonymous said...

Not sure how other teams do it but my daughter's team re-arranges the line-up at Showcases and the coach asks the girls if they have specific requests for which half they want to play. Not that it is perfect but if you know a college coach will be at the 2nd game for the 1st half you can ask the coach for that slot. I have rarely seen our coach not comply. Also, at 17 a player should not be hoping to get discovered by accident. They should know if a coach is coming and have communicated with them to know which game they would be attending. I think it is interesting to see some parents scramble after a showcase to contact coaches after the fact.

And as far as games being better locally, with the ECNL they are standard across the board meaning for the past 3 seasons the level of play has almost never been more than a 1 or 2 goal swing either way, a good number of ties and 1 goal games.

Anonymous said...

7:42 - disagree. When you are footing the bill, it is about the parents too. Never said my kid was unwilling. She is always willing to help her teammates. But, when it's nothing but spend, spend, spend and some parents are just about chasing GSP's, I say pick the best ones and go to those. We can scrimmage locally if it's about touches.

Anonymous said...

http://www.excellesports.com/news/fc-barcelona-nwsl-team-women/

Anonymous said...

LOVE IT!!!!

Anonymous said...

Hoping others will join as well. They still have to start filling the seats though. I wonder if the NWSL aligning with certain clubs has hurt them.

Anonymous said...

Dont get the excitement personally , sure its a brand name, but the US soccer system is a closed non - merit based shop. No real incentive to be great.

Anonymous said...

To the Princeton coach at Rowan verbally attacking the teams on the field during your warmup... You are a low life why don't you figure out how to get your players scouted and into college which you have failed to do...Give me call I have plenty of feedback for you and your kick and run soccer style..... You call the game lower level hmmmmm what would you call playing EDP next season after loosing your NPL status.... Now that's Lower level...stop the BS and do your girls a favor let them go somewhere that is truly developmental... Don't forget to call me would love to catch up on the BS you told my daughter why she was playing... By the way all those involved will properly notified about your conduct and poor judgement on the field towards a 16 year old girl

Anonymous said...

Can you explain further about the incident with the Princeton coach at Rowan today? It's not clear at all.

Anonymous said...

Just wanted to throw it out there. I already reached out t to the proper authorities. Had to vent because he has hit a new low and deserves what is coming his way.

Anonymous said...

You must be really confused . The team warmup was so far away from any field so really you are confused . I was at the game , didn't see anything as such. You are not clear at all

Anonymous said...

7:48 First off, if you want the Princeton coach to give you a call, then you will need to start by not posting as anonymous, Secondly, he said nothing to any other team or player. If you left Princeton and things are not going as you had expected, then that is unfortunate, but don't attack them. Be a grown up and make the best of your new situation or move on from there. No problem with scouting, leagues or the style of play. at Princeton. It's too bad there are not people to "properly notify" and consequences for posting complete BULLSHIT.

Anonymous said...

You realize the poster was talking about the Princeton NPL club team (don't remember the formal name presently) not the college.

Anonymous said...

so is everybody happy with their spot on next year Da or ecnl team ?Was process fair at your club? some kids on the current u-17 team will be displace by some of the older composite team players that were displaced last year and are now back to being age appropriate. is this fair ?

Anonymous said...

There will be a big fall out in my opinion with players that didn't make DA . Lots of Movements in the next couple of months

Anonymous said...

First of all we did move on and are happy. PSA director has not. If he kept his flagelance to himself and allowed the player to move on then the post would not have been made. He knows who he attacked and therefore he knows exactly who I am. If you want to defend the fact that he is antagonizing a player on the field and getting away it shame on you. Have fun playing EDP.

Anonymous said...

1:15am
My daughter didn't get the spot she wanted.
Fairness is only a socialist concept...as much as she's disappointed, we cannot use that word but "shady" better describes it.

Anonymous said...

Ok PSA coach it looks like you need to call Hilda. Please do and let us all go back to discussing general issues.I thought you were " attacking teams" which sounded like it would be punishable by some kind of imprisonment. It has been a pleasure discussing general issues on here. Find someplace else to air your bitterness please

Anonymous said...

7:50 - agree. but, wait, then these unnamed posters will actually have to engage in lost social behavior; quite possibly the dreaded face to face convo. Say it isn't so! lol

Anonymous said...

7:55 you are right ! lol especially if they start using words never heard of before like Flagelance. Lol just go away , nobody cares

Anonymous said...

7:48 lots of us are in the same situation, the DA is taking talents away and spreading even more. It is a concern in general

Anonymous said...

I still think that for recruiting purposes ECNL is better than DA. More talent overall. DA might be more dedicated to National team selections of players.

Anonymous said...

Not so fast. Many of the college coaches I have spoken with all say they are starting at DA, first. ECNL will still be an option but I guess it will depend on the tier of college as to where they spend most time for their recruitment/search process.

Anonymous said...

Here's a PSA,public service announcement, for the PSA discussion:
Unless it's valid, move on....

Anonymous said...

Good point. I guess we really need to see how this first season goes and the evaluate. It is good in general to have additional options
.
I also think that ecnl should have two divisions ( you start in second division and if you win you go up ). Npl and al the other leagues around are just a waste of time . No value, top teams hate play in it , some still try to use it as a marketing point but really they are all bad . Waste

Anonymous said...

Npl has been a disaster this season for us . Would love the idea of a qualifying division that will consider Merits only. But I understand it is a big business behind

Anonymous said...

8:21 - i guess the ECNL divisions are when the post-season play kicks in. Then it's divided into 4 - Championship; North American Cup; Showcase and take the rest of the season off. lol

To divide during league play would be a scheduling nightmare as far as securing fields and other logistics. And, then it may not be club vs. club, but team vs. team scheduling.

Anonymous said...

821 I think there are many ways to win that have nothing to do with player development. ECNL is a numbers game and not a talent development game. If you want to see the clubs who win year in year out, just plot a graph of how large the recruiting area is.

2 divisions is not going to solve that. The destination clubs are more successful becasue they have players travelling excess miles to be the number 10 player on a team.They remain destination clubs becasue they win. It a vicious circle.

In order to maintain the competition platform,, the ECNL founder members need fodder. They need other teams to beat up on so I dont see it changing.

Anonymous said...

8:09- I agree actually. Three different college coaches all said, for a senior, they said their committed players could just stay with their current teams and not bother jumping to DA. They said they didn't feel they needed to.

Anonymous said...

Re: PSA coach -

If he acted like a sc--bag he needs to be called on it

Isnt the first time.

What PSA does about this is another story, as likely it does nothing at all.

As for being dropped from NPL - I dont see this occurring.

Cheers. Sorry for your ordeal, mom/dad of offended player.

Anonymous said...

8:23

"NPL has been a disaster this season for us"

How so?

Is this Northeast NPL?

Anonymous said...

10:11 AM
Not original poster
Our daughter's experience based on 2016-2017 tryouts and season:
Tryouts prior to end of 2016 spring season resulted in a mass re-alignment of players between 4 teams, approximately 200 girls showed up to tryouts 100 given offers for the 4 teams. Some players were waitlisted within the 100 to see which offers were accepted. My daughter was ECNL starter and played most minutes in all games previous year. New coach for her level brought in his own players and displaced half of previous years team, my daughter dropped to NPL. We left, NPL team started with 25 players and currently has a roster around 14. We moved on, realized colleges will find players who contact them. Yes ECNL is a great vanity license plate but better to save the $$ as only girls in the top 1% are getting the top D1 looks and there are no full rides for 2-11 on any team. Unless they are already attending the upper level prep schools. Trace players for ECNL who are in preps and where they wind up. There is a definitive sub-network where outsiders are not welcome.

Anonymous said...

I heard nothing out of the PSA coach. Only to his own team. If he did something truly offensive then yes agree call him on it. However this appears to be yet another disgruntled parent of a player who was cut or not begged to stay. Its easy to attack someone's character anonimously with a complete fabrication that no one else seems to have overheard. Thats what is aggravating about this blog. 10:07 don't perpetuate this. As for NPL lets be real. does anyone get dropped? If in fact PSA is not playing NPL I would assume that is a choice. Again any intelligent person can see right through that post. Original poster: be a grown up and call him directly if he said something offensive to your daughter. Lets not make this blog this way again

Anonymous said...

@ 10:00 and I heard some college coaches of committed kids that weren't doing DA steering them away from certain clubs/teams; that they don't play good soccer. So, there's that....

Anonymous said...

10:37 - you seem bitter. Why didn't you look into "the preps" then? You become an insider when you stop being an outsider.

Anonymous said...

11:22 AM

Let's just say I can't fly in that rarefied air. I know my place and hob knobbing with that lot ain't what I'm looking for. Merit and ability only go so far in girls soccer, yes there are a few outliers but it is mostly those with the dough go to the show.

Anonymous said...

Sad to see a player have to go the changes described here at this age/stage of the game!
Best wishes to all!

Anonymous said...

12:20 - merit and ability are what get you into the preps, too.

Anonymous said...

PSA coach is very unfair to his players. Playing ever tournament, 2 State Cups, NPL games U16- U17 teams constantly playing 2 games with same rosters. Kids are burnt. U17 team makes State Cup final but can barely win game in NPL. Wins games by manipulating U16-U17 roster whenever possible.

Anonymous said...

12:20

Below are the tuitions for the PA preps that feed PF and CFC. Merit and Ability may get this cut a bit but if you can pay this for High School do you really need soccer to get you to the next level? There is an exclusive club on the main line and it funnels the white gloves through the process. Even if Music, sports or grades gets you in the door it doesn’t always get you a seat at the table. Saying your daughter is on the top ECNL team in the state is another bauble on your Pandora bracelet along with the Mercedes/Land Rover emblem. Money to the club/coach on the team gets you the playing time so you can add a college crest in a few years.
GA - $34,480
EA - $34,095
SCH - $29000
Shipley - $37,200

Anonymous said...

PSA parent here. Worry about your own daughter. Mine is fine happy continuing to develop and loves her coach

Anonymous said...

I hear PSA got booted from NPL as they tired of game changes and game dumping to play Region 1 and US Youth state cup. Also heard Stallions under review for same reason. Playing so much is very unhealthy for the girls. Does any team really need to play 40-50 games in 3 months.

Anonymous said...

Ok now lets drag stallions in. Lets be real would the npl look to drop either?. Doubtful. Regardless both play in NL. Don't waste a post on this

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Anonymous said...

2:05 - Not sure you are aware, but soccer is a grind sport. You realize that swimming, tennis, golf, lacrosse, squash and field hockey are more privilege "preps" sports. #clueless

Btw - the sour grapes, never get better with age. Hard work not excuses is what gets it done in the classroom, on the pitch and in life. Smarten up!

Anonymous said...

FYI-PSA was already dropped from NYCSL NPL for next year.

Anonymous said...

Shock horror!

Anonymous said...

If only ECNL maintained the same expectations from their clubs we would be in good shape.

Anonymous said...

Why were they dropped from NPL? Weren't they part of that league for a long time?

Anonymous said...

Were they dropped? Maybe they opted out. But really WHO GIVES A SHIT? With all the realignments what does it even mean?

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Anonymous said...

In no way can you compare those two. Ever.

Anonymous said...

7:50 - i agree. Nobody gives a hoot.

New topic. Did anyone see that the non-allocated players in NWSL formed a union? Love it.

Anonymous said...

10:52 This is a U17 youth soccer blog, do you really think the majority are interested in the NWSL? The PSA and Stallions topic are local and relevant, prefer to discuss it. Is it possible these teams bother you because they are not ECNL? Or maybe they beat your club at some point? The subject may not be to your liking but most people have an imterest.

Anonymous said...

Discussions about their performance sure . But the mud slinging that doesnt seem to be fact based is a waste of time.

Anonymous said...

Have an interest in what? A crazy woman insulting and accusing with a big fat lie a coach? To call a coach asshole and associate him with another coach without even knowing him? And by doing that create bad image to a team that is still doing very well.
" they play too much, they have been dropped by npl because of things that do not exist and blah blah blah.
Never anything positive . So YOU have an interest in trashing the team and it's coach for your own miserable agenda . You have nothing in your sad life ,you enjoy some bad gossip in a blog behind anonymous status. You and another couple of disgruntled parents .
No we do not give a shit about this. We care about positive constructive informations that can help our daughters in their last year of their club soccer and their future in college. All of this is just trash , just like you are. Trash.

Anonymous said...

That is right we do not care for that . Blog has been good until these individuals came back.hope they go away with their negativity . We do not care

Anonymous said...

Leave the blog !let's go back to good topics . No need to waste time with these idiots.

Anonymous said...

Looks like PA Classics might not have as much trouble with the DA as people have predicted. Their 00, 01, 02 are all state cup finalists. Can't be that bad.

Anonymous said...

Agreed . They are actually very good teams

Anonymous said...


02, 01, 00 teams at PAC would get crushed in the ECNL....and clubs like PF are not at the level of Breakers, Stars, PDA (Sky Blue) and with NYSC & Cedar Stars pushing towards funding their DA's I think this is going to be a wake up call for PAC.

The path to the finals for the PAC teams in the state cup were vs. B/C level teams. Massive difference between ECNL and USYS.

Anonymous said...

Everyone gets it....your daughter's team is better than everyone else's

Anonymous said...

Really? Wow the arrogance. Plenty of weak teams in the ECNL. Plenty of weak teams in USYS too. I hope your kid is not as easily sold as you are.

Anonymous said...

do people talk about the strength of teams becasue they feel some attachment to them? Personally, my kids likes most of her teammates, but to think that some GM is assembling the best talent around them is a bit fanciful. The team is the team. You have no real control over that. I focus on my daughter and her play, no matter who is around her and whether they win lose or draw.


When she gets to College, I will think different.

As far as the Stallions coach goes, Im amazed people allow him to disrespect and verbally abuse their kids in the name of coaching. It just shows how some parents dont value things the same. I dont care how many games he"wins" he loses in my book every time he opens his mouth to abuse another kid.

Anonymous said...

5:39 - "most people have an interest." seriously?? Someone was trying to change the subject because it was getting nasty. And for kids who are looking to play beyond college or instead of (like Pugh) it has relevance.

Anonymous said...

8:36
I know this will get the typical rebuttals but isn't there something to be said for a club like classics that is developing their own players and not constantly recruiting from the outside?
Their '04 team is also going to NCS finals

Anonymous said...

8:36 - i think it will be pretty tight when the GDA's roll out re the clubs you referenced. It's tightening up already in some of the age groups/standings. Looks like PF is up there with all of those other clubs you referenced. Should be some great finishes for the race to the championship league. Good to see.

Anonymous said...

9:13 - of course there is something to keeping kids and developing them. Congrats. You can't live in a bubble though and think that most of the talent in the USYS/NPL is very good. At one time, absolutely. But now, in particular in the higher age groups, it just isn't there overall.

I'm not trying to undermine your point about PAC and their retention/development, but what is the real measuring stick being used?

Anonymous said...

9:24 - was glad to see scores/outcomes corrected by ECNL from this past weekend too in the NE standings. Surprised they don't get on these right away.

Anonymous said...

In 2013 Widener University WS were 14-4-4, then TW took over and he went 5-9-3 then 4-11-2 and then a final year 6-10-1. It takes effort to recruit at the D-III level and it isn’t easy, however other coaches have had success at Widener. It seems he wasn’t able to coach and have success with players that may have been average, as well as not putting in the time to make the program successful through recruitment and player development. In order to develop a successful DA, you have to put in the time and spend 6 days at the complex developing the program. If Widener is a refection of his efforts, then PAC might have something to worry about going forward.

As for the ECNL/USYS debate, the ECNL teams in EPA are far stronger right now. GDA will make a huge impact on ECNL in a few years.

Anonymous said...

2018 Commit list (selective) by club:

Continental FC DELCO
Dartmouth
Navy
FC Bucks
Bucknell
Columbia
Saint Joseph's
FC Pennsylvania
James Madison
Maryland
South Carolina
St. John's
FC Revolution
Mary Washington
HMMS Eagle FC
High Point
Kutztown
Saint Joseph's
LDC United
Delaware
Match Fit Academy FC
Wake Forest
Patriot FC
American
West Chester
PDA
Duke
Princeton
Penn Fusion
Boston University
Buffalo
James Madison
Messiah
North Carolina
Saint Joseph's
Rage Soccer Club (PA)
DeSales

Anonymous said...

9:59
There you go with actual facts...:)
FYI, Widener struggled this year for sure bc they have no true keepers!!!!

Anonymous said...

Yep, U16 PF vs. FSA was posted on Saturday as a 2-2 draw and it was a 2-1 win for PF. And U17's PF vs. FSA was posted as a 5-0 loss for PF and it was a 5-0 win for PF. Both of these were just corrected. ECNL has to start handing out fines to teams that don't post timely or correctly.

Anonymous said...

1002 A candidate for the worst post of the year. Impossible to understand and meaningless.

Anonymous said...

Hey 10:02 check again: Here are the PF commits - you forgot MANY

http://pennfusion.org/girls/861219.html

Anonymous said...

The problem with commit lists is they are of limited value. Case in point. If you tool a kid that had top ACC potential when you got her at 14 and at 17 she commits to U Conn. Is that good? if you had a kid who had limited options when you got her and she improved in 3 years and committed to U Conn, is that good?

Point is that without full context this means little and the only people with full context are the families and the kids concerned.

Bottom line is if you are happy that your commitment represents what you wanted from your youth soccer journey then Im happy for you no matter what anyone else thinks about the "quality" of that commitment

Anonymous said...

10;31 - very true. And, also it's about playing time. Will they be a contributor or a roster spot/practice squad kid? And, the obvious, sometimes its about the balance of education and soccer, too. Some kids sacrifice one for the other, some get both.
It's whatever works for each family/child, as you described. Not one all size fits all thing.

Anonymous said...

10:02 here,

The list is at TDS so I did not Miss PF commits, they did not report. And for matting must be logical if you were able to refute PF commits. And it's all spin anyway. Truth, facts, statistics and Damn lies!

Anonymous said...

10:18 here - just because I could figure out what you were doing doesn't mean it was clear to others. I'm very fast at finding Waldo too. Yeah, I don't go by TDS. Found inaccuracies. Soccerwire is better.

Anonymous said...

10:57 - 11:02 here - case in point re clarity or lack thereof, I'm not the 10:15 poster.

Anonymous said...

TDS lol
You put out a list like that then try a little harder to be accurate
2018 PF commits include ACC, SEC, Ivy, and mid majors.
But commitments mean very little. The bigger question is how much money in total did they get and are they happy? A commitment could essentially mean an unsupported walk on. In other words not much.

Anonymous said...

So now you want bloggers to compare scholarship/aid packages to meet YOUR criteria? Get real.

Anonymous said...

1132 To be honest, I am only impressed by soccer ONLY offers above 75 pct to top schools. I dont see the real relevance of the rest. Not because they are not great for the families and kids concerned,, they are. But does getting in to an Ivy becasue you are smart and good enough at soccer have any relevance on a soccer forum as a basis to judge soccer excellence ? Or as a basis to asses how good a coaching staff is? Or how good a job a team is doing?

Probably not.

Anonymous said...

11:46 - you do realize that top school re soccer is ever changing? Each year there are new programs making it to the sweet sixteen and beyond. We haven't had any dynasty schools in a bit. And, that's a good thing because that means that any good recruiting class or couple of classes can make a difference in any league. So, a school that may have been in the top 25 a year or so ago may not be next year. The chess match is on.

Anonymous said...

Suffice it to say, just like most of the soccer information, trust the source. To me there are 2 de-facto sources for college commitments, the actual college posting their signings each summer/fall for the incoming class and to some extent the PA HS (Suburban One/Chestmont etc.) shoutouts. As to where a u14 is on the radar and where she eventually commits, there are so many factors that come into play. You have prep school girls who are driven academically that want to go to an Ivy, you have big suburban school players who would love to play for Penn State, and then you have girls who could play D1 that chose not to work at soccer while trying to get an education and opt for D3. If you are the parent of a girl who loves soccer and you love to watch her play, you realize the benefits of playing a team sport and she is fourtunate enough to play 4 more years after HS the God Bless.

Anonymous said...

No doubt that my daughter who plays at a high level is working to hopefully play in a competitive program at a school that fits. However if there was no interest in her nothing would change. She would still play on the same team. She loves to play. She does not play thinking about the scholarship. I don't watch her play thinking about the scholarship. I don't talk about the interest in her. When did the main focus step away from the girls love of the game and the parents supporting that and enjoying it? You are not impressed with anything below a 75% scholarship? I don't even know how to respond to that! You will come back and say my daughter plays for a low level team and has no interest and that's not the case. But it's not the reason she plays. I'm just dumbfounded

Anonymous said...

1145 do you know what a rhetorical question is?
Guess not. No one suggests actual offers be discussed on the forum. However to know older kids sagas would be very helpful to younger kids. I think that the clubs should consider parent round tables so that they go into the process better educated. I would be willing to share our ups and downs with others who may benefit from the experience.

Anonymous said...

TBH I am not as impressed with any of the commitments anymore. After going through the process and realizing that so much goes into the whole decision, match of academics, school, location, soccer, major, etc.

I remember starting this process and my D getting interest from USC back when she was a freshman and being clueless about the whole thing, we didn't pursue anything, she wasn't ready and so she didn't follow through with any of the interest she received from schools. Looking back, despite their recent success, I am so happy we didn't. My D would never have been happy there. It was far from home and not the type of school that she would ultimately choose (great school, just not for her).

Flash forward two years later, she is committed to a good school, should graduate without much debt and is happy about being close to home. But that decision didn't come without a ton of soul searching. Looking at her commitment wouldn't seem impressive to some, but no one would know the other great offers she had or the interest she received, and they would think, wow, that's the best she could do? So while I think looking at others' commitments is interesting, they don't tell the whole story.

So I am not impressed when I see so and so going to South Carolina or Princeton or James Madison, okay, maybe Princeton a little ;) jk. But my point is, no one knows what goes into all of these commitments. That player committed to South Carolina could sit the bench or get minimal playing time or be full pay, who knows. Honestly, I don't care. This is one soccer decision, that is truly left up to the individual.

Does it reflect on the soccer program where their commits go? They might like to think so, but it really doesn't, not entirely anyway. Especially with this age group. So many of these kids were trained elsewhere and just happen to land on that specific team, that coach or trainer, really doesn't have anything to do with how well that player plays at this point. Some do, but not most.

So people can post lists of club commitments and think they are impressing others, but people who really know all that is involved with soccer recruiting, shouldn't be. Including the fact, that which team is strong this year, may struggle and not get very far in a few years, who knows. Ultimately, a kid can go to say Penn State and play soccer, if they get to play, and never make it to the big game in their four years.....would you consider it a waste? I certainly hope not, I would hope that the choice was made based on the school and what the STUDENT was getting out of it, not the PLAYER. Because for MOST players, that is what it should be about......just saying :-)

Anonymous said...

12:05 - AMEN!

Anonymous said...

11:46- seriously? Not impressed with anything under 75%. Good thing no one is asking your opinion on their kid's commitments.

Anonymous said...

1225 1205 ..Spot on. 1146 -here -point being I am not impressed from a soccer ONLY PoV . without context its irrelevant to me. Maybe impressed is the wrong word. When people come on soccer forums and say my kid is committed to an Ivy there is no soccer context for that so its hard to know what role soccer did or did not play.

I come her for soccer, not academics. Everything I say is from a soccer only perspective.So if you tell me that ABC is highly coveted by UCLA as a soccer player, then im very impressed.

1152 I dont really agree. There are are core group of schools that are consistently in the top 20 and have e reputation for recruiting and producing outstanding players. i would bet that if you produced a composite top 15 of the last 10 years, the schools are going to be fairly easy to guess.

Anonymous said...

1228 but thats the point isn't it. Why would anyone ask anyone else opinion? the stuff here seems to be posted as an indicator of something. Im not sure what.

Anonymous said...

12:05 - hahahaha...your sources; Chesmont; Suburban One. Good one. And, DIII commits are improving as well. Just a couple of years back DIII kids didn't even have to play club soccer. Soccer all around is improving.

Anonymous said...

12:14 - of course that is a great idea at the club level but not necessarily on the forum. Too many would get their kids out of soccer and into crew. lol

Anonymous said...

12:48 - 10 yrs ago basketball was the top girls sport. Now, it isn't. 10 yrs ago you saw a 5'9" kid and she was either a bb player or vb player. Now, she's a soccer player and in high demand. So you continue to look back and I'll look ahead. And both of our kids will probably be in post season going deep into the mix.

Anonymous said...

144 Interesting that you relate purely physical stats to success and demand at the game. I dont think i said anything about where any kids were going, just that the best 10 years ago are largely still the best.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_Division_I_Women%27s_Soccer_Championship

not a particularly large variance

Anonymous said...

I'm giving you that, but I am also saying that the sport of soccer, now, today, that has changed as has the way the game is played and the amount of girls in the sport and the type of athlete needed (hence the height reference).

Do you see the amount of transfers year after year even from the sport cornerstone programs? Btw - once their coaches leave the school/retire, what will happen?

And, 10 years up through only the past year or so, there were enough spots for most of the girls that played club to play in college. Today, that's not necessarily true BECAUSE kids that aren't doing other sports and concentrating on soccer. Comprendez vous?

Anonymous said...

Oh, and in the past 5 yrs alone; I see alot of "blue" ink re schools (meaning newbies) more than ever before. Kind of supporting my point, too.

Anonymous said...

Just heard a new rumor concerning next year. NCAA is blocking all showcase attendance by coaches from Dec.15-Jan 5th. This will change much for Sanford and Disney. This is a very legit statement.

Anonymous said...

Interesting. GDA showcases are scheduled to occur before that timeframe. Wonder if they had the heads' up that this was coming down?

Anonymous said...

Here's a thought that falls into borderline conspiracy...
So is NCAA helping to push coaches toward GDA and pull away from other showcases? ie GDA over ECNL as the end goal?

Anonymous said...

I think you will see that the normal Christmas week tournaments will be scheduled for different weekends. Look for January and February to come into play. CASL not affected.

Anonymous said...

Yes Sanford/Disney will just move to a compliant weekend. Good for the college coaches too who can spend the holiday with their families. Also good for the wallet. Orlando over Christmas week is crazy expensive and airport insane.

Anonymous said...

As of today, Disney website is still 12/29-1/3
Florida over the winter months is a rip either way.

Anonymous said...

Moving to any holiday weekend during winter is expensive, MLK or Presidents Weekends as similar cost. Difference is these holidays are not absolute for all school systems. It creates a better system for college coaches but not the players. Also it becomes nearly impossible for the majority of Northern clubs to prepare for late winter showcases. Indoor prep is just not same as outdoor.

Anonymous said...

So 11:46 thinks it is EASY to be included in an Ivy League team's incoming recruitment class for women's soccer

How rich.

Anonymous said...

not at all. I think it reflects many skills that have very little relevance in a conversation about soccer excellence. but feel free to twist it any way that suits you. Its not easy for anyone to get into any school. A kid that can get into Duke thru soccer, may not be able to get in to Harvard and vice versa. Its all relative.

But like I said, twist away

Anonymous said...

Has CASL been scheduled yet? I heard GDA showcase is early December as well.

And, I do agree with prior poster that this is better for college coaches to hang with their families during holidays and maybe we get to do so, too and save some $$$$.

Anonymous said...

6:37 - i don't think NCAA thinks that much about it. Soccer isn't a money producing sport like football and basketball. I do like the black-out dates though. May stop some of those that travel to tourneys every week; give the kids a break to recover.

Here's a good thought, too, we are heading toward the finish line re Youth Soccer.

Anonymous said...

True
NCAA more concerned with equal access to any restroom right now...

Anonymous said...

If we can all REALLY be honest with ourselves, girls getting recruited and playing soccer in college is not that hard. There is no comparison to girls vs boys college soccer and the recruitment process. I have both and it is night and day. If a girl can run, she will be recruited. Now add in a move or two and she is D1. I know girls that have committed to play D1 soccer that I cant believe even get on the field on their current teams. Sorry Daddys, just being real.

Anonymous said...

So then your daughter is committed to a D1 already on a full ride? Easy peasy

Anonymous said...

Nope. She didnt have a move or two so no soccer money at all.

Anonymous said...

829 Mens Womens are 2 different games. You are correct. Problem is most people analyse women using Mens metrics. Having the assets you described does indeed put most girls a leg up on the rest.

Overall I agree, the passion, desire and incentives to really be great are sorely lacking in the girls game.

There are a handful of player who check all the boxes. Given the $$ and time spent on the game it should be a lot more

Anonymous said...

@8:29 - totally agree. And, to add to your pearls of wisdom:
DI soccer has numerous tiers; so yes, I agree even playing soccer at the school in 300 ranks of DI schools (i think there are 335, but not certain) is being able to say, "hey, playing DI."

And, there are many DII and DIII schools that are better than some of these DI programs. But, some (either the kid, the parent or both) fall for that vanity plate that they would prefer playing in a poor DI program over a better program from another division. As another poster added, it's all relative.

There is a lot of movement in the top 150 schools. You can commit to a school when it was in the top 30 and it can fall out of that ranking. It's all relative.

Best of luck to all the kids with their decisions.



Anonymous said...

Simplify the recruiting process. No communication between players and college coach until July 1 entering into your Junior year. ID clinics following the same time line. No using club or high school coach as a liaison to get around the rules.

Anonymous said...

@519 What would Mike O'Neill do ?

Anonymous said...

I think we all know the difference between the girls and boys games. I think we also know, and I am not saying this is a bad thing, that if you play for PDA you WILL be recruited. It is easy for college coaches to recruit PDA players. They know they are dedicated, well trained, play alot and heck might even be good. If they turn out not to be what they thought they will just have another player on their roster of 30, no big deal. They got them to go to their school, most likely not the school they would have gone to excluding soccer so they are making their money.

Anonymous said...

Does anyone think that having 4 teams at one age group is a good thing? It makes the top tier teams look bad to have lower level teams with the same <>> branding stinking up the field with kick and run daddy coaching?

Why not have AA and AAA like baseball? It may be close to the same product but everyone can tell the difference between the Yankees and the Trenton Thunder. Players can move between teams and nobody is pretending they are something that they aren't. You can attract better talent and make the top team more prestigious. It will also make the other teams work harder to improve and move up to get those premier kits.

Anonymous said...

Oh boy now you will be hurting the feelings of so many. I completely agree with you, the players on the top team earned it so why not make it clear that they did. Ooops, mom and dad wont be able to say their son or daughter plays for (PDA) and they may have some splainin to do.

Clubs will not do it because this illusion is all part of the money making scheme that is running rampant. They will tell you they dont care what other people think, and why should they.

Anonymous said...

922 chicken or egg.

Anonymous said...

11:09 I believe that was the NPL/ECNL concept. Back when ECNL was considered top Tier (I think it still is until GDA proves itself) One Club two teams at each age and player transfer between. But parents and money got in the way. If you are an NPL parent paying NPL$$ and your daughter is offered to train with the ECNL team you get happy, when she asked to dress for an ECNL game you get excited, if she actually plays meaningful minutes the concept works. Now if you are an ECNL parent and your daughter is at the end of the bench and is given the option to "Play for the NPL team" which actually is heard as "Play Down" do you take it so your daughter gets minutes or do you keep the ECNL bench spot, knowing that in the next round or tryouts and placement she will most likely be phased out of the ECNL team? To be honest my daughter was an ECNL player who fell out of favor with the coach so we actually asked for her to be put on the NPL team where she flourished, was recognized by a coach at a different club (basically asked why she wasn't playing for ECNL team) and the rest is history.

Anonymous said...

1247 what does prove itself mean? I know of several current YNT players who are going to the GDA. That impacts ECNL teams directly. So what is proof to you?

Anonymous said...

1:32 AGREED! The top D2 teams could definitely beat more than half of the D1 programs, so when I see a really good soccer player going to a D2 competitive team, I think that kid gets it. But for most part, players just want to say they are going D1, even if that team isn't as strong. Different strokes for different folks.

Anonymous said...

1:19

I believe that US Women's/Girl's soccer has no true identity. There is no reason for the GDA as a competing product for ECNL. I see this as another hybrid car on the market pandering to the status symbol crowd. To prove itself the GDA needs a true mission statement and purpose which at this point is what? Create a new competitive league that promises girls the ability to play for the US national team while entertaining D1 offers from the top college programs in the nation? Or is it to build a true academy system that funnels players to a national pool to international competitions? A 1% offer, meaning 1% of all GDA participants will see the holy grail of stepping on the field as a Sr. National team player. ROI for players very low, ROI for USNT very high. It's another league in another sport where parents have deep pockets. This isn't even taking into consideration the back room deals for players and coaches. To me "Prove itself" means don't become what you are trying to replace, a pay to play system mainly controlled and supported by insiders.

Anonymous said...

Problem with the D2 schools is that generally they are not good schools. School is the point, you know learning getting out and being marketable.

Anonymous said...

GDA at U17 and even U16 is meaningless. By the time the program gets settled in, these girls will go gone. However, in the long run the GDA will be the top program. Better, Cheaper, and the only way for the very top players to be seen.

ECNL, NPL, and EDP will follow the same path that ODP, JAGS and MAPS did.

GDA is the new best thing, just accept it!

The best 1-3 players on the top 10 teams are all leaving at the younger age groups. They see or will soon see the writing on the wall. Why would any coach want to go to 20 tourneys when they can see all of the best in one place. The showcase model is out for all top D1 schools now that the DA is starting. College coaches will drive this narrative not US Soccer.

Anonymous said...

Well, I was going to be a little nicer with my post, but yes, the educational offerings at DII schools are usually not as broad as DI and DIII. And, the scores/grades to get in are (overall) not as onerous.
I would not go as far as beating 1/2 of the DI's, not consistently however. Especially since a lot of the programs are undergoing big changes (assistants from top programs are now either heads or assistant coaches throughout the DI program). So, the gaps are closing. But definitely the top DII's are good programs.

Anonymous said...

2:41

I agree D1 is for the athletes and D3 is for the Student/Athlete. D2 is the equivalency Division. My daughter had options at all 3 divisions and chose D3, she found a group of schools she liked only one in D2, 3 in D1 and 3 at D3. D1 options were either too big or too expensive, the D2 just did not meet her educational requirements and between the D3's she was able to get the best deal and "promise" of playing time. GRADES ARE VERY IMPORTANT!!!

Anonymous said...

3:09 - agreed. And, Dii are usually a very affordable education with or without $$. Glad our kids have plenty of choices.

Anonymous said...

223 I am not sure what issue you are addressing. Your criteria fro proof, makes no sens at all. Proof, to me, is that the majority of the best young players are playing in it. Over time they will. I also believe day one a meaningful number will. GDA will be cheaper than ECNL , and in many cases already is.

You are no laying out a set of conditions for proof, you are just railing against another pay to play system.

By your criteria, what has the ECNL proved ?

Anonymous said...

3:11 - DI exceptions - ivys and patriot league are also student/athletes as well as a few others sprinkled through out the division (stanford, pepperdine, etc.).

Anonymous said...

3;20 - you have seen some announcements about the various YNT players that are in GDA, right? This doesn't include those on the US Soccer radar that are most likely also playing in it. So, take out those kids (not all, but alot are leaving). So, you have what is going on right now with USYS.

Anonymous said...

328 ??

Anonymous said...

326 .. almost ALL of them are student athletes . that is defined by the player, not the school

Anonymous said...

3:28 - were you talking about ECNL will then be USYS at the older ages (spotty good teams)? That is how I read your post.

Anonymous said...

3:50 - that's the plan you would think. Can't get around that some schools are more serious about academics than others.

Anonymous said...

I must say somewhat surprised by the PF CFC score today.

Anonymous said...


You shouldn’t be surprised, CFC are a good team and it is the second time they beat PF this year. What was more exciting after the game were two mothers from PF fighting with each other in front of their daughters in the parking lot. Meow..
.

Anonymous said...


Matchfit 4- pf-1

Continental 3- pf- 1

Anonymous said...

10:27 - What are you talking about second time? You mean when half their team wasn't there for a last minute scrimmage in the fall of last year? Please.

Unfortunately, in a team sport when only a few kids want it (some were checked out), usually not a successful outcome; hence the weekend.

It was not a well played game. PF could have, should have won. But, CFC wanted it more and they did. Hats off to them.

Anonymous said...

* correction to above - some seemed checked out; don't know if they actually were.

Anonymous said...

1:24am
I agree with you on the "checked out" syndrome.
I watched some PAE NCS games Saturday and it was obvious who was in it and who wasn't.

Anonymous said...

CFC vs. bucks 1-1 - 5/20

Anonymous said...

its sad to watch this pool of so called Elite players on a weekly basis. Significant numbers not engaged in the game. not wanting to be there. Making lame excuses to not travel and putting in limited effort. This is the pool of players from which a GDA and the ECNL is "selecting", even fighting over.

There are far too many Clubs, too many leagues and too many families kidding themselves that the kids actually want to play the game for the games sake as opposed to something else.

Sad.

Anonymous said...

8:04 is spot on.

College coaches and national team coaches are not going to keep a kid around because they are checked out. Players should want to play with passion each game. The top or elite players don't check out. If you daughter has checked out it is time for plan B.

The travel and cost of playing youth soccer is crazy. If games were localized there would be less stress on players and families. All games could be played within a 2 hour drive. No hotel stays.

There are too many families kidding themselves. If college committed players and can no longer meet the challenge those players will get cut or forced out in year one.

Anonymous said...

Why do you think they were checked out?

Anonymous said...

We all know USYS has done a great disservice to these girls and also the college coaches as they try to follow good prospects. This was so poorly managed and transitioned, beyond what any of us could have even imagined and I think it will only get worse as it progresses. Could we have made an impact if we had really created noise? I don't know but I wish I had at least tried.. Even girls on the DA teams are going to have a period of adjustment to gel while many are in the most important recruiting time of their life. ECNL teams will likely have 6 strong players and then a drop off.

Anonymous said...

Being checked out could be another way of saying we got beat handily. That the players weren’t able to meet the physical challenge and wilted under the pressure. That the coach wasn’t able to adjust. We were checked out because we simply weren’t good enough over the weekend? I think so, and you can say checked out, out coached, out played and (out) or unprepared. We were out played in both games. Hats off to Matchfit and CFC.

Anonymous said...

9:15 I find the individual clubs to be more responsible for the miscommunication or unanswered questions.
PF parent friend of ours said they did a fairly good job communicating.
8:41 tough to explain the mental side of a girls' game I think...it was just obvious which team wanted it more.

Anonymous said...

936 i have no affiliation to the team you imply. My post is a general one based on a years of watching the Girls game. Checked out is not a reflection of the result.

Anonymous said...

I didn't read any excuses. The winning teams were both better on match day. Simple. Whatever the guess for a reason...

Anonymous said...


This is not based off of any result.

Checked out is missing training or not being active at training. Not attending games for odd reasons or not making an effort while playing in the games. Focusing more on the social aspect of the team rather than playing soccer. Being checked out has to do with the player no longer having the desire to continue playing beyond their current level. Could be parental pressure, and the player no longer shares in parent’s goal of their daughter moving on to a D-I program. Could also be that the players don’t believe in the coaching staff and that they need new voices. Perhaps being burned out with youth soccer and all the travel and nonsense that go with it. The strong survive.

Anonymous said...

Sorry to say but the "check out" issue gets far worse at U18. My kid is one of only 2 juniors on a U18 team with all seniors. The seniors have made for a miserable season. I can't imagine the majority will be ready for college ball next year. Several had their college coach check in by surprise at a recent game. He must be wondering what a mistake he must have made.

Anonymous said...

1105 100% correct. Its interesting how so many kids/families think once committed...job done. Or that they can just catch up once the season starts.

Anonymous said...

It is not just girls, boys check out also. Cant get enough at training, always have excuses not to be at the games. Cant worry about it, they make those decisions now.

Anonymous said...

sure they do, and thats why DA etc are pointless on the current planned scale. There are nowhere near enough kids who care enough to make it viable on a large scale.

We have every right to worry becasue it impacts what some are paying for. 3k per year to go to an event an have random kids on your team? Not exactly value for money.

Anonymous said...

12:20 you are correct.

Anonymous said...

9:36 - it happened. They had a bad weekend. Not everyone wanted it. No excuses. On another note, that can be changed. If they played well and lost, then there should be more of a concern.

And in the conference, all the clubs are good. And they all have good days and off days. The true gamers come back.

Anonymous said...

Starting a DA with U17/18 players serves no purpose. Both this age the potential players should have been identified by now. Any player that develops after this point is easy to identify in college. Keep the GDA from u12-u16. The older players should be invitation only.

Anonymous said...

1:26 here - And, this also happens when you do play your entire roster trying out kids in new positions this weekend. You don't get game time experience unless you get game time experience. Some kids still coming along in different positions and hopefully will continue to improve.

Anonymous said...

1:38 - DA invitation only? Isn't it?

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