Sunday, May 29, 2016

U16G - U16 Girls Youth Soccer

This page is focused on Under 16 girls youth soccer in Region 1.

Teams face increased competition for the top players, (who are increasingly attending college showcases).

More teams consolidate and the best teams--academy soccer, club soccer and high school teams--battle to attract and retain the right player mix.

Stay tuned. This is bound to be good.

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Anonymous said...

What are the chances that there will be a movement to get consistency in refereeing. How many actually get an off sides call correct? How many call the girl not in the play (but past the defense) offsides? From what I saw this weekend, most. And, that is incorrect. So, players/coaches have to adjust their game to the refs, too.

Anonymous said...

11:34 AM

Play to the whistle. Offsides impacts both teams. but it is more unfourtunate when a blown call (or no-call) results in a goal against. with a 3 ref system it should happen less often then it does but believe it or not it is more of a judgement call. As a ref, parent and player I have seen it from all sides. If the refs have a plan prior to the game (flag goes up to indicate and offsides player, it alerts the CR and he makes the call. Parents see the falg up and assume a blown call by the CR, players see the flag up and relax (on D) and player with the ball shoots GOAL! who made the right call? I'll go with the player who shot the ball.

Anonymous said...

Amazed the you feature Offside as your examples of refereeing inefficiency. the most blatant failure of refs is to actually grow some stones and call dangerous and persistent foul play. It is so easy for teams to simply kick, grab and push offensive threats. Referees totally fail to protect good, skillful players. Memo to refs, tackling from behind is a foul.

Anonymous said...

Agree with you on that too. And they are the obvious missed calls. Horrible intentional assaults. Which, in some sports there have been some citations given for similar "fouls". The refs should be held accountable when these happen on their watch (maybe a huge fine; then they will call them).

Re the offsides, because they actually change how the teams can play and most don't understand those. EVERY ref should understand a violent foul and protecting the players should be the #1 priority.

Anonymous said...

11:55 - agree with you all the players should play until they hear a whistle (correct call or not). A bad habit that the kids do, today. My coach would have benched us if we did that years ago (to teach us a lesson).

Anonymous said...

Why was the "kick and fetch" reference as far as technique removed and the ability to defend it? That is long ball...and it's mentioned in others too.

Anonymous said...

7:52 - long ball does work with the correct players. Fast midfielders to collect second balls are needed. College coaches can rate athleticism when watching long ball play but can't assess tactical awareness and technique as they can with a quick passing team like Maclean. PDA do play a lot of diagonal passes but they change it up and are good.
Strikers have not been able to win big games at Jeff PDA and have a bad record against decent ECNL teams. Results have been going south for a year or two.

Anonymous said...

I've seen the Strikers play a couple of games. 1 at Jeff Cup and one at PDA vs NEFC. Both games they looked very strong until they began to sub players.They were actually up 2-0 on NEFC before making changes. My observation is that the roster is not as Strong from top to bottom as it once was. Knowing that, I'm sure they will be looking to make some changes. They still have some very strong players. They just seem to give players an equal opportunity in the show case tournaments. Maybe a good situation for a player to get noticed, but probably not the best recipe for results.

Anonymous said...

311 if what you say is correct, the they sound like a great team to play for. Getting results is all about depth. the deeper teams get the wins, but does not mean they have the best players. I will take talented players ANY day over team development.

Anonymous said...

Don't most teams (including ECNL) substitute in showcase tourneys? Which I am surprised because these games do count toward nationals/finals/Cups in SD. This weekend, some ECNL teams got kicked out after losing and some got in after winning.

NEFC substituted as well against Strikers and other teams. And, why not substitute? These aren't league games for non-ECNL teams.

Anonymous said...

There is a difference between kick and chase and playing a long game and having a strong counter attack. One is played with the purpose, the other is not soccer.

Anonymous said...

Totally. With the purpose of kicking the ball to that player. For her to run.

Anonymous said...

Sorry, old school references as what old school coach used to say to us. Kick it to "her" and she will chase it (run onto it) and I did with zero technical skills because I was just super fast and that is all that was needed. This was done with purpose as well.

Coach D meant it as long ball (late 1970's what can I say). And Coach D was one of the relics in women's soccer; passed away recently and the sr. nat'l team wore black bands in her honor during one of their games.

Anonymous said...

It is a showcase. The coaches should be subbing players. In fact, college coaches often ask team coaches to move players to other positions to see how they do. Yes, wins are nice at showcases, bragging rites for the team but having a kid go to a showcase to warm the bench is not fair to the affected player.

Anonymous said...

2 things:
- there's not right or wrong play...long, 1/2 pass, tickitacka etc...team needs to adjust to other team's play. If there's constant high pressure then the long ball might be needed(not kick and run mind you)
- in soccer it's called OFFSIDE, no "S" (unless referring to plural), in football it's OFFSIDES, with the "S"

Anonymous said...

Strikers are missing depth for sure. I think with the age change shake up they will get some new players. It's late to be dumping old players though because the tryouts are over. Their bench can't demand a spot on an ECNL team. What's left? Europa?

They haven't been the same since last spring when their midfield was weakened by injuries and one kid left. They have to play over the midfield and their best ball winner isn't there anymore. Hopefully they will get a replacement in the transitions because they are a great example of a successful non ECNL team becoming fewer and far between.

You need ball winners in the midfield to play their style as someone else mentioned. They create a lot of 50-50 balls and need to win them to move forward. They use their fast wingers and outside backs to attack and cross also. They don't have a dominant enough center forward to be consistently successful with an over the midfield ball. Also when they play against a park the bus team they don't have a creative enough player to break down the defense. Is it that they don't value or that they don't develop that side of the game? maybe its the same thing.

There is nothing wrong with their style. its common in the collegiate game. The problem is that they are missing a couple of key pieces and depth to be consistently successful against the top teams. Hope they pick up some of the pieces this summer.

Any one know what's up with the soon to be USYSA 99s and 00s? Which teams are splitting? Which teams are staying? Which ECNL teams at which will get better or worse? How did the u16 99s fare in trying out with the older sides?

I am assuming Strikers will play 99 USYSA u18 next year and stay the same. Did they pick up some older 99s over the summer? Been watching this team largely beat my kid's for years and its model is very interesting yet in the new world they haven't been able to collect all of the best talent in the tri-state as they once did. Interesting times in youth soccer. Our kids are almost done.

Anonymous said...

8:45
I would think the strikers would stay on the same path they are on. They are basically a showcase team and while wins matter the players are there to be seen by coaches and are given the opportunity to be at events where they will. By this point all of the girls on that team should have an idea of where they will play in college and will need to maintain the communications and opportunity to be seen to finalize their signing. I think CFC had one of the bifggest re-orgs of players/coaches and teams. Definitley a different look at every age between NPL/ECNL. the 2000's went young for ECNL as the coach moved up with them and he was loyal. Also looks like they are going heavy for the DA bid with realigning coaches to show the highest level of certification at u14 and above. FC Bucks looks like they were pretty loyal to their players as well, filling spots for girls who are thinking greener pastures elswhere. And PF was solid and remains solid.

Anonymous said...

A don't understand a lot of the chatter on this forum. Every game is a showcase. I assume at this level of play that every kid wants to play in College. Coaches should be using all their players as much as they can in every game. We all pay dues and we all deserve PT. The only people who benefit from wins are the Coaches who are brushing up resumes and the Clubs who need a hook to attract more business. I don't see why more parents do not look at the Clubs that have a record of placing players in top schools. Far more important that winning a league or tournament in my opinion.

Anonymous said...

9:45 AM

Slow Clap.... You are correct. Most girls who are playing at 16,17 and 18 years old are hoping to continue to play in college. All families pay the same (maybe with the exception of some players who are receiving club assistance), I believe the unwritten rule for ECNL is league games are coached to win so playing time is competed for during the week, showcases are where coaches will play all players but still with the focus on winning. Another example of playing time is the swing players where under used ECNL players may see time at NPL games to get "their work in", this is so parents feel like their child is getting game time. NPL is also used as rehab for returning ECNL players who are injured. A typical ECNL team will have a solid 8 players that by U16 are on D1 radar, the team needs another 10-12 players to share the "recruiting costs". This means that the 8 players will see most of the game time, 2-4 others will see 20-40 minutes and some may not see any in league games. the entire squad travels sharing hotel and meal costs as well as coaching fees and incidentals. So in reality a coach wants a full roster to cover his salary, top players want a full roster so their costs are lower, and the club wants wins so that they can recruit in players. The tough part as a parent is to determine where your daughter is by U16 and face reality. ECNL for U16 team cost is $6000 add flights for the players and you have another 750, if a parent wants to travel as well add another 1K. So rounded up you are looking at $8000 for a year of soccer. Now factor in the commitment possibly summer off (but most of us are attending camps) Fall school ball with possible weekend training with ECNL team, Nov/December 2 nights a week practice and Bethesda or CASL, Christmas break showcase, January/Feb training 1 or 2 days a week March 3 practices a week, 2 games a week through June with 2 trips out west. If by U17 you and your daughter agree that Duke/Virginia/Maryland/UCLA/Penn State etc. hasn’t knocked you can step down a level, get really good training/competition and still have a bright future as a college student who will play soccer for her school.

Anonymous said...

But all you ever read is X Fc is a great team because they won ABC tournament.

I want to hear X fc are a great place to play, they give PT to all payers, they promote NPL player if they deserve, they carry a roster of less than 20, the coaching is really good. Extra sessions are available. They treat all player with respect. They try and win, but will not burn out kids or sacrifice principles to do so. When a coach comes to see a kid , they put them in a position to succeed. They are truthful when talking to coaches about their payers and they get kids in to the "right" schools based on the kids academic and soccer ability.

That is a good club, in my opinion. The rest of the nonsense I don't care about. Constantly trying to recruit players is not a good club. How about developing the players you have? it is a bigger achievement to get your 10th best player in to a great D3 school using her soccer as the key to get by admissions than it is to get a NT player a full ride @ Duke. Lets face it. is spite of what we think, most of our kids are the "generic" player and not the superstar we think they are.

Anonymous said...

11:14
quite the ideal set up
Does that team exist?

Anonymous said...

11:45 AM

It probabaly does for some. But the main point from 11:14 post is the parents realizing their daughter's potential. If you are player 16-20 on and ECNL team and moved down to NPL can you look at it as a better fit? or do you look to run to the next ECNL team. Also do you have sufficient information on the coaching style to determine if your daughter will be supported. Also as a parent knowing how to communicate with the coach and club and be an advocate for your daughter.

Anonymous said...

it would exist if that was how WE measured club success. The problem is we allow W/L and other meaningless rubbish to define success for us. My kids team gets 100+ coaches at games. Why? because they have a NT player on the team who draws schools in. Does that really benefit my kid? not so much. Nut we read all these dumb comments about the # of coaches like its a measure of a TEAMS level. It may be, but often its not. Parents are often overpaying for the wrong type of exposure and the wrong type of club. All the player movement at some clubs should be a red flag. A good club should not be losing players for soccer reasons. A good club should not be able to service a roster of >20 fairly, but parents want to be on teams that win, even if their role is tiny. Good clubs should not be telling kids we don't need you @ showcase X because we have enough already. Good clubs should not be taking Discovery players to replace fee paying players. First duty should be to those kids that have been loyal to you. I don't care how good the discovery kid is. Same with replacing older kids with Play ups unless forced to.

There are good clubs out there, but there are a lot of bad ones whose sole purpose is to seek glory and use your $$ to fund it.

parents have to be far more demanding than they are or nothing will change.

Anonymous said...

11:45 - you really know a lot about Strikers. I have not seen any other team or club broken down or studied with such detail.

Agreed. They are a solid non-ECNL team but there are a couple of others, Patriots for example that should get stronger this next year as well.

Like many others are finding, the leagues are all over the place anymore. And, unfortunately, it should only get even more chaotic.

Anonymous said...

Hey 12:12 - very insightful. Thank you.

Anonymous said...

Is there a closer bond with your club team or the ODP team? I sometimes notice that the ODP team sems tighter?? Is this due to the girls on the club team being a bit colder to the ODP players?

Anonymous said...

No one on my daughter's team even cares who is doing ODP as long as they aren't missing events for ODP.

Anonymous said...

Anyone catch the USA v. Japan last night. Thoughts? And, Japan not in Olympics this year, luckily.
Hope the USA gals get paid despite the draw :)
Morgan/Pugh look great. And, Tobin Heath is just amazing. We have a Tobin-like gal on our team who is just as dynamic. Gotta appreciate those skills. And, poor Long looks to be a long-shot for the roster. Like her, but last night, not her best.

Happy Friday all!.

Anonymous said...

Japan outclassed the USA. Technically and tactically far better. Morgan was average. 2 goals for shooting it @ the GK and a complete lack of vision to keep shooting when others better placed. On Pugh, stop watching the hype and watch the player. Japan had several players who were better than her. I thought she was ok, but far from great.

Anonymous said...

8:12 AM

Wow a bit rough on Pugh. She deserves her spot. Watching her last night and she worked well with and without the ball. Had Mogan been aware Pugh should have been on the end of a few nice open looks at the net. Hopefully she will mature at UCLA and be a strong player for a few cycles or Olympics and WC.

Anonymous said...

Agree 812 on all but Pugh. She has a gear no Japanese player has. She is also pretty technical. matbe not as technical as some of the Japanese but her quickness and overall pace are far superior. That said other than Dunn, I thought the US quality was lacking. Agree on Morgan. But for a soft yellow and a 20 yo GK US would have lost 3 (or more)-1

Wake up USA!

Anonymous said...

Would have liked to have seen emily s last night too. When is next friendly before they leave for Rio? Does anyone have the schedule? Thanks!

Anonymous said...

Don't hate the poster...our ladies are playing the typical ECNL speed play and the rest of the world has caught up and is surpassing us with the technical and tactical.
This is why the USSF is bring the DA to the ladies...must look at the overall play, technical, tactical, physicality etc...
Happy Friday!!

Anonymous said...

The US Women play Japan again on Sunday in Cleveland. Noon EST on ESPN2.

Anonymous said...

Pugh needs some real analysis. Im tired of reading one way reviews of a player who is good, but has faults (like every player does)Am I watching /listening to a game or is this another Nike commercial. Japan were a class above in so many areas. Swap goalies and that game is 5-0 Pugh or no Pugh.

Anonymous said...

So many perfect analysts on this board who have never had an off day. 1 game does not indicate anything. You all must be a joy to ride home with after a game that doesn't quite go your way. You people are on a huge role coaster and can't decide weather your up or down. USA is ranked #1 in the world for a reason. I can see how the sky is definitely falling.

Anonymous said...

You are a pompous ***
Why don't you post something entertaining. Be part of the discussion. Why do you think that the USA are just fine the way they are and should sit happily as # 1 that just got owned by a young Japanese team with a weak 20 yo GK. Oh and everyone knows the GK average ages are older precisely because they peak much later than field players.

Anonymous said...

June 2, 2016 at 3:06 PM - Interesting observation about the relationship difference between the Club team and ODP team. I've seen the same thing with my daughter. My daughter is the only ODP player on her club team, but I do not think that is a factor because most of her teammates do not have an interest in ODP. I think the issue is one of routine v. uniqueness. She sees her club team players day in and day out at school and practice, but only sees her ODP teammates a few times a month and at special events. The ODP players use their devices to keep in touch, but do not have the regular personal interaction that comes with both the good and the bad. I suppose it is like the difference between a long term relationship and a fling on the side. The fling may be new and exiting, but it may also be fleeting, and would be nothing but for the grounding and stability of the long term relationship.

Anonymous said...

11:01 - thank you for the info re today's game. Much appreciated.

Anonymous said...

Re the sr. nat'l team, they are still missing Lloyd and Rapino. While the mindset in any team is that you play around injuries and no one is irreplaceable. The reality is some players aren't as easily replaced as others.
The friendly is an assessment as to who is making the roster.

And, the other reality is as previously posted, soccer around the world is improving. Nothing a gimme anymore.

And, the ODP stuff, hilarious. ODP the "other" paramour. Hahahaha. Too much.
Happy Sunday!

Anonymous said...

I am so tired of some of these clowns on this board bashing us women's team , today a perfect example , a nicely played 2-0 win . I will take us women's model over the us men's development anyday . Why is it us soccer trying to get women to be more like a failed model , the us men's team which hasn't won anything ever. The us women are dominant and will continue to be , the results are in the record . Ecnl works and we are trying to change it to a failed model

Anonymous said...

So says they guy who knows nothing actually about soccer. The wnt played a completely different line up today than they had on Thursday. Japan using this event to sort some things out. Thursday 2 goals clear GK errors. Japanese field lineup definitely weaker but the GK better. First goal clearly offside. All is not great with women's (girls) development in this country and complacency will result in a rapid decline.

Anonymous said...

The girls model is working . Friendly games are used to try out new players and systems. There is competition from many great players to try and make the national team. The DA model has failed on many levels on the mens side. The training has provided very robotic players. There are very few USMNT team players who are creative or dribble past players. Giving control over the production of players to a single DA is not good. At the moment the ECNL provides a national platform for players at a high level to complete against each other. The DA is going to dilute this as you will have strong players in DA, ECNL, and on other club teams. If the DA is serious about the development on the womens side I am sure it will provide the girls DA with full financial backing and all the new Mia's won't have to pay anything to play DA!

Anonymous said...

Dunn was off side too on the second goal prior to the cross

Anonymous said...

Do you see a more creative player on the women's side than Christian Pulisic? A product of the DA?

Anonymous said...

The US Men's program is a failed model and is terrible product .the results speak for themselves. Why on earth are we trying take the women's program and push towards the mens model is beyond any reasoning . I have heard for many years now the women's program is in decline and will be overtaken/. I say by whom the womens soccer in this country is fine and the athletes great, just don't screw up by following a failed model like the us mens program

Anonymous said...

Many would disagree with you regarding the state of women's soccer now and for the foreseeable future. Especially regarding the youth teams which could be considered a barter of the future. U20 just lost to Japan 5-0. How are all those pretty silica crystals looking?
The problem with men's development in the us is is the fact that there is no financially strong professional league to provide incentive for individual player development. Even if there were we would have a problem because our laws prevent a club from generating a substantial transfer fee for children and adolescents developed by a club. This transfer fee is what funds strong development programs and provides incentive to keep the focus on individual player development.

The DA is an attempt to make the best of a poor situation. With all the clamouring about ECNL Money grab, would have thought most would welcome more regulation. Alas I have no confidence in the nepotistic USSF at all. If it weren't for Christian Pulisic's father managing every minute of his development, he probably would have been relegated to the B team by some farce of an English "professional" coach because he was a small physical late bloomer as a little kid. That's where we fall down in selecting talent rather that identifying those whose ceiling height provides the for potential for greatness.

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Anonymous said...

The USWNT is without question the best the world has to offer. Anyone who says otherwise is just that type of person who for whatever reason (controversy creator, I know better than you, naysayer, etc) will always say the sky is falling. The US has young young talent mixed in with veterans and the future looks bright.

As for relegation, I think that’s great if you’re concerned about wins & losses but if you are truly, truly concerned with development, final scores should not matter too much.

Anonymous said...

You don't even close to get it regarding issues related to promotion and relegation. It's the motivator to improve. It fights complacency and drives innovation.

regarding the USWNT. as I said its not about today its about tomorrow. get your head out of the sand.

Anonymous said...

The US Men have no embedded advantage. So to compare the results of the 2 programs is stupid.

Title 9 has created a massive advantage for the US women. Essentially the USSF has a parent funded development pool because kids can get a "pro deal" aka college education for free(this may be more perception than reality for many but it still drives parent spending). The question ahs to be what have the US done given the huge advantages they have. I would say the gap has certainly narrowed relative to the competition and there is not real reason why it would if development was better. Currently, there is NO development save what individual club coaches decide to do. Many focus on winning games - team dev. and not individual dev. as much. Many don't even do that well. Most club are coaching for college and not the USSF. So cannot agree that the USA even have a model really. The ECNL is a competition platform, that's it. Im not going to overreact to the u20 losing 0-5 to Japan, but it should raise eyebrows that a team containing players as highly hyped as Ashley Sanchez etc loses 0-5 to anyone. In theory you could have had Pugh on that team as well and judging by the score, would have made little difference.

a good college soccer platform does ZERO for the men as most top countries identify players earlier, have them developed in a Pro environment earlier and therefore at similar ages they are miles ahead of the USA player in many key areas.

Anonymous said...

Not comparing results. Saying that youth soccer development is a collective. Many of the same coaches coaching both genders. It is the development model that needs to change to be able to produce world class players on the men's side and entertaining technical soccer with its athletic background that will continue to be competitive on the women's side and produce more entertainment value to grow the sport.

Anonymous said...

The incentives in US youth soccer are not conducive to producing great players. They favor taking as much money as you can from parents who seem willing to empty wallets as soon as you say the words Elite or Academy. Great players will fall out of the US system simply based on volume, but its not a good process.

Anonymous said...

I guess there was a tip of the hat re respect to the ladies yesterday when some of the cable stations that were playing old boxing matches of the late and great Ali (RIP Champ) and pre-empted them for WNT v. Japan soccer game. Not sure that would have occurred a few years ago.

Good to see some respect for the sport taking place with the tv coverage. Now if they could get more NWSL games on cable instead of U-tube. This is the process that needs to occur as well.

Anonymous said...

@9:36
You got a bit testy when I gave my opinions. lol. You appear to be one of the personality types I was referring too.

Anonymous said...

727 you are the one clearly with he personality disorder throwing insults around like you do. There are many articles written by soccer pundits supporting that opinion. Turn the glass onto yourself for the pathology.

Anonymous said...

Hypothetical situation - My daughter’s team has a bad first half of their season. The team is in a structure where if they don’t have a good enough W-L record they are relegated out of their league/flight. This is not a regular NJYS type team or league. Everyone is watching and if they get knocked down it will be bad news for the team & club. My daughter is a late bloomer, bottom third on team. The coach focuses on the top 2/3 of team not only in games but practice also because relegation would be problematic. They win some games and keep their status. My daughter gets discouraged and quits soccer for lacrosse. Two years later as a high school junior she has hit her stride. Faster, quicker, stronger, smarter. She was already a high level athlete before she quit soccer just not off the charts as she is now. High level NCAA Lacrosse offers are coming in from everywhere and she goes to the university of her choice and lives happily ever after.

I definitely see negatives to relegation and positives to a closed league. I’ve heard and read the arguments for relegation and I’m not convinced.

As far as the USWNT, I’ve been on youth soccer blogs since my kid had a carding situation at u9 and have been hearing the doom & gloom about the decline and all they do is keep winning. Of course I’ll never be able to convince you of this as you will not be able to convince me. We both have our personality types (not disorders) just in this situation the USWNT record supports my belief.

Anonymous said...

An open letter to coaches:

Please be a coach, especially at this age. Don’t be a business person, an administrator, or a jerk. You have a job to do related to many stakeholders so wearing too many hats will make you ineffective. Be honest, I know this is hard because this also makes you accountable and vulnerable but it is important. Know your limitations and the expectations of your players. Be involved enough to know where the issues are amongst the team. Spend time on team building (don’t leave this for the chaperones to do on the overnight trips). Plan a few non-soccer events (hey why-not get the team to volunteer and show them the importance of giving back??). And train your players in their roles, don’t just run scrimmage and small sided games, actually coach in some skills. And most of all don’t be lazy, parents pick up on this as much as they complain about playing time. If you are an ECNL coach, you should be able to provide a baseline assessment of each player and where you believe they fall in the recruiting process (D1/II/III or other). If a player is out reaching their grasp don’t encourage, realign and help them. This may even be true for the NPL and “Select/Premier” coaches. Take the approach that a fair honest assessment will be welcomed even if it is below perception. It may even challenge those D1 aspirations with D3 skills to step up their game.

Anonymous said...

An Open Letter to Parents:
Be realistic with your kids, at this age they are dealing with everything and more that we were dealing with in the 80’s and 90’s. Do a search on “Soccer Girl Problems” satirical and truthful. If your child is the D1 recruit leader for your team great, we are happy for you because until she commits she is bringing coaches to games. But telling everyone that your U16/17 has X number of offers on the table set’s you up a bit especially if she has a bad game. Also realize that the other parents on the team are dealing with the emotions, physical stress, and external issues as well. Share the common bond and support each other. Also , if more than half the team realizes that the coach is misrepresenting him/herself maybe collectively you can help fix the situation, but griping on the sidelines or hoping it will get better will never change the situation. Although there are factions that stand together so this may be a moot point. Oh, and have a parent bonding event, seriously, If you are the parent with the big house and pool, open your doors prior to the season and have a kick-off party. Everyone chip in and try to stay sober.

Anonymous said...

So how did it shake out for tryouts? Which teams will be playing 00 and which 99? How did the ECNL teams handle this year? Big 99/98 rosters? What happened with all the composite drama? Kids mostly stay put?

Anonymous said...

8:33
From an Earlier Post
"Anonymous said...
8:45
I would think the strikers would stay on the same path they are on. They are basically a showcase team and while wins matter the players are there to be seen by coaches and are given the opportunity to be at events where they will. By this point all of the girls on that team should have an idea of where they will play in college and will need to maintain the communications and opportunity to be seen to finalize their signing. I think CFC had one of the bifggest re-orgs of players/coaches and teams. Definitley a different look at every age between NPL/ECNL. the 2000's went young for ECNL as the coach moved up with them and he was loyal. Also looks like they are going heavy for the DA bid with realigning coaches to show the highest level of certification at u14 and above. FC Bucks looks like they were pretty loyal to their players as well, filling spots for girls who are thinking greener pastures elswhere. And PF was solid and remains solid.
June 2, 2016 at 9:09 AM"

Anonymous said...

How many bucks girls made the move to continental.

Anonymous said...

2 bucks kids to Strikers. Don't think any went to CFC.

Anonymous said...

the 2 bucks kids probably committed already. strikers will play at a good level and it will be less expensive than ECNL.

Anonymous said...

One of them is a 2019. probably not committed.

Anonymous said...

8:33

did the Strikers lose any players who thought the model no longer works? or to go with an age pure team?

Anonymous said...

The only kid I know of that has left Penn Fusion for anything but play time issues went to Penn Fusion to play with her sister. I think the model is working.

Anonymous said...

Sorry left Strikers for Penn Fusion

Anonymous said...

Two Bucks kids to Strikers, one to CFC and one to PDA

Anonymous said...

From FC Bucks 16s ,2 going strikers. 1 CFC. No FC Bucks player going to PDA at the 16s age group. A player from PDA Gunners moved to FC Bucks and played at PDA tournament for FC Bucks.

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Anonymous said...

Does anyone know the San Diego schedules (champs and north american cup)? Are they posted anywhere? Txs!

Anonymous said...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2o5769jBlBM
ECNL draw

Anonymous said...

6/10 @ 11:55 - thank you!

Anonymous said...

That ridiculous WV venue is a vestige of the supidity and frank corruption that is/was region 1 (USYSA) adnministration. This garbage is exactly why US Club (PDA) decided to bag out of these programs and create their own.

Anonymous said...

Does PDA want the girls DA badge? After looking over the end of the year heading into the ECNL playoffs it looks like PDA is the leader in the Mid Atlantic region when it comes to their girls program. taking that into consideration if PDA does go with a DA Level would any of the remaining ECNL teams in the area be picked as well? If So I would think Penn Fusion would be next in line...

Anonymous said...

PAC

Anonymous said...

PDA is the leader in what? Girls development? Or winning games. Huge difference. Winning in youth soccer is largely based on recruitment, and not development.

Anonymous said...

What was the PDA overall record in their own showcase?

Anonymous said...

yep..coz w/l tells you all you need to know about development

Anonymous said...

PDA was seeded #1 in the ECNL champions league...enough said.

My kid does not play for PDA, but has played against them. They are a well coached team with an excellent development model. Do they attract great kids? Yes, but they have developed them also. Great program and great team that has gotten better every year.

Anonymous said...

I overheard a comment recently that the girls' DA badges are starting to roll out. Is that true or was it just hype, if anyone knows? Txs!

Anonymous said...

1043

they have?

Anonymous said...

Uh yeah once again for those of you who are a little slow...#1 seed in the champions league.

Anonymous said...

With the splash girls coming up ,the older girls better start looking for a place to play

Anonymous said...

@928 please explain what that has to do with development?

Anonymous said...

PAC has no shot at DA

Anonymous said...

lol well many have been with the team for years. They play great technical flowing possession soccer. Their success has grown every year. The play time is more even than most of the teams out there with no drop off with subs. They now have had an amazing season capped with remarkable achievement. They have achieved individual success both in skill development and in recognition as well. Soooo what's your beef? How do you define development?

Anonymous said...

@12:49 PAC hater, douche and ignorant of soccer world...
They have no shot because?

Anonymous said...

I am not 707
I think PAC is pretty much a shoo in for DA and no my kid doesn't play there. I believe this because one of the main criterion for selection that will be used to discriminate between clubs applying is the number and quality of national players the club has produced. If anyone is at even remotely following USMNT right now then you know that Christian Pulisic is the darling of our nation. His youth development is largely credited to PA Classics where his father and mother were his coach and trainers. He alone guarantees PAC inclusion in the GDA. Factor in the decent facilities and coaches (though I think they are a little thin in licensing but good enough for the USSF regarding boys DA) and its a no brainer. The bigger question is CFC or PF?
PF wins on national players and history of producing successful teams. But is pretty close geographically. Tie in coaching credentials. So PF wins in national players and success, CFC geography. My money on PF.

Anonymous said...

9:11 AM

Which Club already has a boys DA - CFC, which club has good facilities (or access to good facilities with USTC/Proving Grounds - which is being upgraded with fields and a true clubhouse/changing rooms/food service). Coach licensing at CFC has been a priority as well. The only fly in the ointment for CFC or PF is that they hold ECNL badges and the DA powers that be may want to avoid allegiance to blaze their own path. To me it would be like Coke and Pepsi using the same manufacturing plants. If the GDA wants to show their dominance, parking in the ECNL garage may not be in their plans.

Anonymous said...

so by your logic, PDA has to choose? I think DA will be co-located and not co-located depending on club. No hard and fast rules. No way the force a choice the because on $$ terms they lose. You have t understand that no one who has ECNL already will give up to have fewer teams, fewer $$ and higher standards with USSF looking over your shoulder. A Da without some of the best club in the US is pointless

Anonymous said...

Just wondering, are Proving Grounds getting bleachers?

Anonymous said...

Seems strange that US Soccer would give away DA badges just because a club has a boys' academy (PAC, CFC, etc). Success with boys doesn't necessarily translate to success with girls (and vice versa).

And, re PF, Bucks, etc. (others without Boys' DA badges) send developed players to Union Academy. So, these clubs have great development for guys as well.

It will be interesting to see what happens when they start to roll out. And, when is that? July???

Anonymous said...

Having a weak boys pay to play DA based on the history associated with FC Delco will not help the GDA application. In fact the USSF may very well prefer the PF model of proudly sending its boys, developed well within their club, to free Union programs. Proves both that the development is there and they are a "progression not possession" club. Regarding ECNL versus non ECNL: The USSF won't care about the ECNL except to say that a club must send its top team into the DA at the combined age groups. Expect the ECNL to provide "preacademy" equivalent programming in ECNL clubs. Just as I would entertain the possibility that the boys ECNL programming may take over the pre academy leagues. US clubs is already managing the Pre academy leagues so no big leap there.

Anonymous said...

Da will have almost no impact on current u16 players

Anonymous said...

1:23 PM

There was a set of bleachers installed for one of the fields.

Anonymous said...

2:29 - Got it. I heard they would (U16's) get at least a year out of it before graduation, if they are chosen for potential inclusion (provided they are with a Club that has DA distinction). Might be worth it to some. When does the DA actually go into effect?

Anonymous said...

2017-18 season. Doubt most will switch clubs in their senior year unless directed by their college to do so. Don't expect that to happen much

Anonymous said...

With all the GDA's coming out is there something that we don't know is happening. From what I am hearing is that Cedar Stars is grabbing kids from Matchfit current U16 teams. I can't see why these girls would go to some where like that when its unproven. I can understand the few going to FC Copa but not Cedar Stars.

Anonymous said...

why not? I would make a case that the parents of most kids who are not considered top 5 on their current teams are willing to move because they think its going to be different somewhere else. they believe that Jane not being top 5 is about everything BUT Janes ability so they will keep moving :)

Anonymous said...

Happy Father's Day to all the soccer dads out there. We have to remember in all the madness - Mom and Dad, the most important job we will ever have.

Anonymous said...

159 I agree. It worst with players 5-10 who start, but don't get the invites to ID programs and occasional play-ups. If they don't move they are the ones constantly grumbling abut poor coaching and trying to get the other parents to join in on the bash fest. After an ID event notices go out its a real mess.

Anonymous said...

Cedar Stars is likely to become the next DA

Anonymous said...

248. the coaching on my kids team is excellent. No reason for her to move.

Anonymous said...

A pleased as punch parent...a rare find on these posts. :) Totally agree. If it is working and you & your kid are happy, no reason to go anywhere. It does exist.

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Anonymous said...

Like he did with NJSA?

Anonymous said...

If Cedar Stars gets girls DA you can throw the whole system out. To award a program of this level to Tab Ramos would be a profound injustice to many other long established programs. His NJSA teams were marginal and Cedar Stars addition was purely for the boys program. Having no history and only a high level US Soccer official will only reinforce the long standing notion that even US soccer is corrupt at the highest levels. Can anyone say conflict of interest?

Anonymous said...

The Girls DA badges will most likely go to PF, CFC and PDA. If any of the clubs have a relationship with US soccer (ex player or coach) they may have a shot as well. The DA will not matter much to u16 and rising u17/18 as they are already on D1 radar and will commit within the next 12 months. The only movement to DA will be if the offereing college coach wants them to be aligned with a specific club or coach who supports playing style. Any girl who is currently not talking to colleges may jump to DA - if offered, hoping it will raise there Soccer IQ. By the way, this is not being done to truly benefit the players, this is soccer commerce at it's best. Just like you can have a starbucks and a Dunkin on the same intersection, there are enough parents with deep pockets that will buy the product based on the promise of savy shoulda been coaches and DOCs.

Anonymous said...

FREEHOLD CELTIC U16G- Soon to be 99’s- the Celtic are looking for a few dedicated players that are looking to play in college. The Celtic are current NJYS U16 state champs.
They are currently coached and trained by Amy Stainton assistant coach at Georgian court and Rick Stainton head Women’s coach at Seton Hall. If interested in coming to one of our training sessions please contact Ken LeMunyon at klemunyon3@Verizon.net .

Anonymous said...

What events will Freehold be playing this year?

Anonymous said...

Freehold will be playing Region 1 and EDP, NEWSS Showcase, Jefferson Cup, EDP Showcase and one - two other showcases and NJ/US Club State Cups.

Anonymous said...

Off to the Region I Championships.

Anonymous said...

Good Luck 9:59. I hope your team practiced for the conditions by playing on a cow pasture.

Anonymous said...

9:59 Good Luck!!!

Anonymous said...

Heard some DA's just released. Penn Fusion, PDA (now teamed with Sky Blue), Washington, Boston are those in Region 1. Is this true?

Anonymous said...

http://www.topdrawersoccer.com/club-soccer-articles/us-soccer-unveils-first-girls-da-clubs_aid39396

Anonymous said...

Hardly any surprises. These are all the early applicants. Deadline is 7/1. There will be more announced. Would be far more informative to know who has applied and been rejected :)

Anonymous said...

Agree with you, but shows that USSF are not just looking at Clubs that have a boys' designation already. Well deserving group listed.

Anonymous said...

Most of the teams selected are ECNL. Makes sense not to target clubs with a boys DA. But I'm sure the next round of announcements will include clubs with boy's DAs. Proven track record of being able to run a DA.

Anonymous said...

Ussf understands that many of the boys da clubs without ECNL let their girls programs go to crap. Classics may be an example. All the clubs chosen have a history of a strong girls program focus. Penn fusion over CFC certainly speaks to the fact that boys da isn't an automatic in.

Anonymous said...

I contend that if the goal is to identify potential national team players, then geography should be the driving factor in DA location. You would want the largest population pool within a reasonable commuting distance to maximize the depth of talent available. Training four days a week is a significant time commitment for both the player and the family, particularly for the single-parent and multiple child families. This still creates a structure where many talented kids in the soccer flyover country will never be identified.

Anonymous said...

10:11 PM

So I got 2 out of three. CFC's ECNL program is not the strongest currently either. Not a lot of development (mostly brings in players and does not build from within, training is lacking as well on the girls side and a lot of nepotism)

Anonymous said...

So will the ECNL structure still remain at Penn Fusion and PDA or will it convert to DA and pre-academy and leave ECNL. If that is the case it would make sense that CFC and FCB remain in ECNL. By virtue of the changes The DA would be a level above and the "New" ECNL would be established as well. Now families have another tier for their players to hit (Maybe true D1/US National Pool), but would still have a competitive level for College showcases (Low D1, D2, D3). ECNL will also have to rethink regional events and placing the burden to have teams fly cross country 2 times a year.

Anonymous said...

The other issue that needs to be figured is what league the "developmental" players for Sky Blue-PDA and PF play in? Especially the kids that are on their off-year in 2017 (2004, 2002, 2000's). Do they only play against Academy teams? Do they play in the ECNL? Does the player cycle between clubs? One club handles the Academy kids, another club handles the second level ECNL kids?

If you look at how the boys side handles it, they have a separate league for the off-year kids. Their PreAcademy teams play in the Northeast Pre Academy league in the NPL.

Anonymous said...

what do you mean off year? Kids are either good enough or not. D1/National Pool means what? You already have Nat teams so how many of this regions kids are regularly involved across all age groups?10? 15? This DA thing is not for our kids, its for the future. I can see many a realistic kid/family saying I'll stick with ECNL and HS soccer. Im never going to be a YNT player and I am already well on the way to a commitment. Even if the DA grandfathers HS, how are you going to cope with 4 practices per week, 10 months of the year? I still done see how they are going to fill all the required team slots with players of their own stated standard, but in time perhaps.

Anonymous said...

As far as the off-year remark, it has to do with how boys' DA's currently handle these age groups. To combat this, the girls' DA's may just play competitively all the time.

High School soccer was grandfathered in for a few years, my understanding. So, as some high level club coaches/DA coaches may coach high school too, there may be some DA involvement re mandated training. Should be very interesting these next few years.

And, even commits will probably play DA if offered a spot within their clubs. What college program would say don't play higher level soccer and receive higher level training? I can't see that being an issue.

Anonymous said...

Keep it simple - you asked about PDA & PF

2017/2018
A team = GDA (99/00, 01/02, 03/04)
B team = ECNL (03, 02, 01, 00, 99)
C team = NPL (04, 03, 02, 01, 00, 99)

2018/2019
A team = GDA (00/01, 02/03, 04/05)
B team = ECNL (04, 03, 02, 01, 00)
C team = NPL (05, 04, 03, 02, 01, 00)

Nothing changes for ECNL, GDA will develop true soccer players. We are adding 2 more practices per week all those extra touches will be huge and these players will improve the college game and our YNTs.

Anonymous said...

HS Soccer is under serious threat. The schools that get ahead of it will benefit.Those who remain with their heads in the sand re outside play will be left far behind.

Anonymous said...

Actually the oldest teams at least for ECNL are also combined ages in 2017/18. 99/00 and 2018/19 00/01 same as DA
Remember next year ECNL oldest age group is combined 99/98

Anonymous said...

Looking for honesty. Did anyone's daughter move from one team to another for this upcoming year that is a lateral move meaning going from a premier team to a premier team, and ECNL to ECNL or NPL to NPL? if so what was your reasoning. It looks like a few players made lateral moves hoping for additional playing time? better coaching, better contacts to Colleges?

Anonymous said...

I beg to differ 10:58, Although they say the GDA is going to be the best atmosphere for a player and easier to be commited, here is a true reality for the U-16G presently

PDA - Ecnl has 9 girls committed to colleges
Matchfit - ECNL has only 3 committed (due to the idiot coach more worried about the dollars
FC Copa - NPL has 11 players committed because the players are the first priority

It is just like when ECNL came around, it was the top dog and no more JAGS, Now GDA is King and ECNL will come secondary....all a money making scheme. every other country is not pay to play. that is why our country will never develop the right players and coaches will continue to showcase the ones that go to their private lessons etc.

Anonymous said...

Just pointing out re the comment above, don't judge any team by its commit status. i know several kids that could easily commit on teams, but haven't yet. Sometimes it takes time to sort out everything.

Anonymous said...

@646

Agreed. An early commit is not necessarily a better commit. All these things are used as marketing tools by clubs. wait till the very end a then see who is committed where. The demand for players is so high that I believe anyone who wants to play can. That does not mean everyone is getting full rides to Duke:)

Anonymous said...

I believe it is a cycle. There were girls committing to schools prior to ECNL, the ECNL was a step forward in providing a coordinated environment that went beyond the hodge podge that is the National Championship series. Before ECNL the work on the players and parents to get noticed was more of a guessing game fueled by the tournament directors promise of drawing College coaches to their events. The ECNL provided a plan to be followed by it's memeber clubs to train, a format for the players to play, and events where the ECNL worked with College coaches to attend events. Today there are tiers of events outside of the ECNL that provide opportunities for players to be seen as well.
Now with the GDA there is a more specific goal, to add an additional layer where fewer girls will receive a more concentrated level of training that molds them to the player types that the USSF believes will continue the success the US womens national program has had. The issue will be that of the pool of girls there will still be a large portion that will not filter through to the true National teams and will want to play still in college. I think the GDA is misplaced in that the current model does this without exclusivity.

Anonymous said...

Do Copa parents really think they are in the same league as PDA and MF? Where are the Copa WNT players?

Anonymous said...

I am not taking a shot at Copa or PDA or MF. I don't think that parent is saying Copa plays the same level as PDA, MF, WC, PF, Bucks, Delco, etc. I think he/she is saying that there are tiers of playing in Youth Soccer as there is in the college system and beyond.
If the ultimate goal is for a gal who loves the game to play it in college, if she can (and balance all of the rest of it too re academics, travel, etc.), then it is working.
My kid was in USYS (premier level team). She left it because she wanted to and wanted to play in ECNL. She is the one doing the additional training (and independent training). She wants to be the best she can be and wants to be challenged. It was her choice. In our area, ECNL is the next level. In some areas, USYS and NPL teams dominate.
If she was happy where she was, we were happy too. The kid has to drive the bus here.

And there are many good teams at all levels that can satisfy the challenges they want to experience. They have to decide and make realistic choices and we have to guide them (and pay for it..lol).

Anonymous said...

@915

your sentiment is on point but reality is far from it. ECNL is a tournament platform. Training is not standardized. The ECNL market the heck out of its marquee games and showcases. Colleges come and watch. that's it. Colleges would still watch with no ECNL. to me , the ECNL has done a great marketing job, but actually added very little. I don't see better players. I don't see better development across the board. I see some clubs that have done a great job, but I see others that have really taken money fordoing nothing.

GDA is an attempt to do this more uniformly. I do question whether the real demand is there for it. I will say that IF they do it right, then whether kids are NT level or not, it will be FAR better than the ECNL. Players will be put in an environment where they can develop with less focus on winning games. The fitness and game to train ratio will be way better. The coaching should be more progressive. It could be a far better environment for a kid who wants to play beyond Club at a high level.

Anonymous said...

@1252

Spot on.

Anonymous said...

2:17

This is @915. I agree with you I just feel like GDA is ODP Part 2 or 3 or .... It is an attempt to rebrand the path to a national team opportunity but it will still be club based with USSF oversight. If you look at the ODP websight over the years for our region there is definitley a parallel between the club coaches and the respective players. It is a mix of familiarity along with favoritism. The talking heads keep saying that the world is catching up to the WNT but they say that every cycle abd with all but a few hiccups the USWNT seems to prevail. The ECNL is definitely a tutorial on marketing/social media hype/spam machine. You also have the affiliates of TDS and other "recruiting" sites that feed in. They are definitely For Profit organizations.

Locally the ECNL clubs are as loyal to their players as NBA players are loyal to their teams. Very lttle development up through the ranks. If you look at rosters over the years (espicially this year for some age groups) the U17 teams very rarely have 50% of the original U14 players. Then people blame parents for not realizing that their Little MIA isn't top drawer anymore. It's not that she isn't top drawer it's that a coach is looking past her because he may need to work with her.

Anonymous said...

Just remember, ODP is the grassroots group of all of this. I don't think anyone made it to YNT without going through ODP/Regional at some point.

Anonymous said...

@226 ...215.

I agree with you. The ECNL as an organization has been a huge disappointment to me. Could do so much more and yet it continues to simply add clubs and focus on low hanging fruit. Your TDS comments are also on point. Its one big media machine that spends it time trying to validate that players are actually getting better. Relative to the $$ spent by parents, they are not. I don't trust the Clubs as a whole. Some are better than others, but there are too many who are simply trolling you for $$. I wish it was a 2yr agreement with every player. Almost forcing clubs to develop what they accept instead of taking on kids for a check and then relegating them to the bench or even NPL teams. Obviously that wont happen.

WNT have a huge advantage and until other match the spending it will be hard to close. France and England have the best chance in my opinion. Japan are already there technically, but im not sure if they have the depth to sustain physically. In spite of what some people try and tell you, athletes win these games. You need to be able to keep up athletically before you can create technically.

Anonymous said...

@2:26 - interesting points but there are huge biology changes in girls from U12-U14 through U16/17. Can't blame coaching (or not) for that. Sometimes the roster change because the kids' levels change, too. Maybe some loose their passion, fitness/height differences occur, social stuff takes away focus...they become teenagers. So, you can't blame a Club for changing its roster to move around kids that have these things going on too. And, then the kids that weren't id'd at 12 are getting better.

Not of it is perfect.

Anonymous said...

Sorry....none of it is perfect.

And neither am I. :)

Anonymous said...

It's the in season recruiting and lies that get me.

Eric Harris said...

PDA Gunners U16 ECNL vs Real Colorado U16 ECNL July 9, 2016 National Championship Final

***Livestream Game Link Video Start Time Friday July 9, 2016 10:30 AM****

Videostreaming start time will begin 30 mins prior to kickoff.

http://thecube.com/e/658048

Anonymous said...

Thanks for the link. Good luck. SHould be a good match tomorrow.

Pretty cool that 2 teams from Region 1 made the ECNL final four...PDA U16 and FC Stars U16. Says something about our Region and good soccer!!

Anonymous said...

What lies have been told? Who is recruiting whom?

Anonymous said...

PDA U16 just won. Congrats!
Thanks for the link. Proving that Northeast is one of the toughest soccer divisions in the country (play PDA twice AND play FC Stars). Great job and nice season ladies!

Anonymous said...

With all the age group changes, should be fun to see next year!

Anonymous said...

Did anyone watch the game?

Anonymous said...

Yes.

Anonymous said...

ECNL provided a link, too for all the final four games in each age group that was competing this weekend (some were already decided in SD).

Anonymous said...

So no observations other than PDA won?

Anonymous said...

Nope. Season over. New teams next year. Should be great to watch.

Anonymous said...

Copa a top team? Funny. Only one team in NPL from area proved capable of competing on a regular basis with ECNL teams. Did Copa even beat a single ECNL team this year. Quickstrike from NY was only one who showed the ability and players to do it. They also have quality commits to support it.

Anonymous said...

What happened to Quickstrike? Haven't heard anything about them or seen them in any recent tourneys. Did they go to the PDA tourney?

Did they merge with another Club? Didn't Syracuse Development (NPL) beat them?

Not trying to bash (as I think they are good too), just trying to find out.

Anonymous said...

Congratulations PDA gunners , undefeated and national champions , no other u-16 team better anywhere . To all those on this board who have loved to bash the gunners , eat that .

Anonymous said...

And by the way the gunners have 13 committed to college and more on the way very soon

Anonymous said...

Congrats to Gunners as above noted. Well done. Good soccer. Enjoy.
My kids' team played them in league play and it was a very hard fought 1-0 loss.
Says something about the Northeast Metro Division (as we play FC Stars, too; played them to a draw).
No wonder our teams have a lot of coaches at our games. :)

Anonymous said...

http://www.socceramerica.com/article/69506/girls-development-academy-adds-28-clubs.html

more added. Northeast Metro division is up to 4 now (PDA, PF, WC & MF)

Anonymous said...

9:53
Not sure what happened to Quickstrike. I did see them at PDA but I guess they took a break for the summer. Did hear rumors that top Alleycats are heading south to them but i dont think they merged. Age adjustment changes creating lots of new team combinations. Have to believe they will continue to be a top destination for players looking for good training without the ECNL system, seems to work well for them as a team and for the players.

Anonymous said...

U16: PDA 1-0 Real Colorado

With seconds left off the clock in the second half of extra time, penalty kicks seemed inevitable between PDA and Real Colorado.

Just when it looked like it was going to finish 0-0, Kayla Lee popped up at the far post to tap in a deflected shot that somehow squirted out of a cluster of PDA and Real Colorado bodies packed into the left side of the box.

Lee popped up at the right place at the right time to cue the celebrations of another title heading to North Jersey.

Leading up to the goal, neither side created very many clear cut chances. Lee and Amelia Paternoster looked for gaps in behind the defense, though Real Colorado looked prepared for that threat, cutting out passes and breaking up play before anyone could break free.

Real Colorado’s Abby Kassal offered a threat from distance, and had a number of decent looks on goal, including one that she fired just wide in the second half. Lacking U.S. youth national team players Jaelin Howell and Sophia Smith, Real Colorado slowly but surely took control of the game as it progressed.

However, PDA held firm, setting the stage for the late drama to edge the encounter.

In the third place game, Crossfire Premier topped FC Stars of Massacusetts 3-2.

Anonymous said...

Congratulations on your victory. I wish that Sophie Smith 15g 3a 33pt in 11 games and their starting holding midfielder Howell were playing to take away the ? on this one. Can't deny that that question exists when such a dominant player, at least in Smith, is at u17 national camp instead of playing in this game. That said, I hope to see some PDA names on future national camp rosters several players are clearly deserving.

Eric Harris said...

Yes it would've been nice if Real Colorado had the three girls that were at National Camp. The fact of the matter is that PDA has played Real Colorado just over a month ago at FULL strength with Sophia Smith, Howell and the goal keeper and PDA beat them 1-0 so I really don't think it matter if they were there or not. I believe is the better team with or without that girls playing for Real Colorado. No need to try and take away the shine of what these girls accomplished. Granted all these kids in the National pool are there for a reason and that is someone thinks they are deserving of it and its an opinion and some politics but they are deserving of it but certainly its an opinion. PDA has given up only 6 goals all season and NONE have been to any of the "National Team selected player either in our conference or in the country so what does that tell me........Maybe or Maybe not they have the right kids or maybe PDA is just that good as a team. Eitherway great job by the girls as the are the ECNL National Champions and that can't be or will not be discredited and it is not an opinion but FACT.

Eric Harris
PDA Gunners Dad

Anonymous said...

PDA is very, very good. You daughter is amazing. And, is a big part of the success.

But, you can't argue though that 3 missing nat team players don't make a difference for Real Colorado. And, you'll agree that playing a team in late March/early April is not the same as playing them end of June/early July at full strength either (and after their nat'l team tune-ups). Doesn't mean the outcome would have been any different. PDA does play very well as a team. It just means that the talking heads will always give this an * in the books. That's all.

And, I am sure if you were in that position (had 3 big time players missing for a championship game and it didn't work out), you will be floating the same questions.

Nonetheless, the game is always played with the players on the field (missing or not). And, well deserved congrats to PDA.

Anonymous said...

PDA won. Hats off to them. Incredible season for a great group of kids. Anyone who tries to put an asterisk on it is an IDIOT. The game is played on the field amongst those that are there. NOTHING else counts. You folks can go play fantasy youth soccer all you want.

Hats off to PDA, the best team in the age group in 2016

WC Father.

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Anonymous said...

I totally agree with you. I didn't raise the missing players. I didn't even know there were missing players on the other team. I didn't pay attention to that, initially. I am only saying that there MAY be some that will say, well.... That's all.

I am happy for PDA and sent texts to my parent friends on the team (and my daughter sent texts to her buds on there as well) congratulating them. And, I absolutely agree with you...played as a team. And you have a full roster of very good players. Still, your daughter...a heck of a player. :)

Enjoy the well deserved win!

Fellow ECNL Northeast Metro Parent

Anonymous said...

Sounds like the goal scored by PDA was one of those scrambles in the box where a foul on the attacking team is not whistled

You almost never see calls of this variety at the youth level - yet always do in pro games. Attacking players do what they wish - get away with murder on crosses and set pieces

Congrats to the Gunners

Anonymous said...

Is this team now going in separate directions - with the age change?

How many stay U17?

Anonymous said...

3:56 - the shot is on ECNL website taken from the side of the net. It was not what you described.
But, the score was a forward that didn't stop (and was left alone when the play was at the opposite side of the goal) running when the ball (which looked like it was going wide) was punched in.

However, agree with you re what you described.

Anonymous said...

On ECNL Twitter at Jul 9 - "And here it is, w/ just seconds to go in the 2nd extra time, @PDASoccer scores to become champions!!! #ECNLFinals"

Congrats to the gal who didn't stop running.

Eric Harris said...

I understand you and sorry if what I said came off wrong but being as intimate with this team and knowing what they went through to achieve what they did is something that will never in my eyes deserve an (*). And thank you and your child for the wishes but since you are in our conference and you can probably attest to this but I believe and I truly do believe that our conference is best in the country. Now sure there are great teams outside our conference as in Texas, Cali etc but overall I think our conference is so equally matched from week in and week out. No win is a guarantee win and certainly ANY team can beat you. That is what makes me say that the Northeast conference is the best conference in the country. Look at the final four.......we had two teams from our conference which in my opinion I KNEW they were going to match us up in the Semi's which is nonsense being that we were the two highest seeds left in the tournament. I am not only beating my chest for those girls but I am also beating it for the the NORTHEAST we play really competitive soccer here and we all need to be proud of that and not intimidated by the foes of Cali, Texas and whoever else. Trust me TEXAS has some stellar teams and players as well as Cali but guess what the NORTHEAST is where its really happening and I can and will debate that what anyone lol lol especially my bro at the Texans lol lol who I know is reading in on this topic lol

Eric Harris
PDA Gunners Dad

PROUD TO BE FROM THE NORTHEAST BABY.............

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Anonymous said...

eric you saw a lot of teams play this year. What times stuck out in your mind as very good teams? Does not have to be ECNL, could be NPL or others. Always interested in a candid opinion.

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Eric Harris said...

Well I would hope that you edit my writings for me, then re-post them for me on my behalf. That would be the honorable thang to do....lol. Yes I have seen team play and to be honest with you and I say this as god is my witness and I truely believe that they are all good and well deserving. Lets be frank these are kids and for one I would never judge any other than my own lol lol as being anything other than great. Even if I just said a team was not good....guess who is on that team.......KIDS so basically I am saying someone's little girl is not good and sorry but I am not into that, it's not my job or place to do that but how about I tell you who I saw that I said wow what a great bunch of kids......I will leave the Northeast ECNL/NPL conference out of it because not only am I bias but I truly believe that ALL those teams are great.

NEFC
Legends FC, Cali
Sunrise, FL
FKK, FL
Freehold Celtic
Tom River Everton (all time favorite)
FC Copa (another all time favorite)
Solar Chelsea, TX (if you never saw them watch some video on them I have it)
Dallas Texans (TT is something special)
Tophat, Ga
Michigan Hawks
So Cal Blues
Crossfire Premier
Real Colorado

I can keep going on lol lol lol lol naming everyone lol

FC Penn Strikers, Pa
McClean, Va
Quickstrike (very good team very good team)
Cleveland FC 99, OH
NJ Stallions (any of Shaun Cryers team just pick one. They are always very good)
North Rockland Rowdies (tough team)

Okay this is getting ridiculous lol lol lol lol I really can keep going on and on because I truly and a fan of what all these young woman are doing and for those that have been around these message boards we have seen these girl really grow right before our very eyes.

Eric Harris

Anonymous said...

http://www.soccerwire.com/news/clubs/ecnl/its-bullst-let-the-girls-play-real-colorado-coach-rips-ussfs-ecnl-scheduling-snub/

Anonymous said...

Go Gunners, Congrats! Very impressive.
On another topic, late developing players – I recently was able to witness a kid on my daughter’s team who at u14 struggled to get playing time. Now after the u16 season, imo, she was the best player on the team. No major growth spurts or anything like that. Just a hard working kid that had everything she was working on come together this year. It was a joy to watch. Anyone else with a similar situation? I’m wondering how common this is.

Anonymous said...

7:29 - Was she a very athletic (strong, fast, aggressive) player that really worked on her skills? Or a skilled played that figured out how to be more physical. Because at U16 - you really need both skills and physicality. Just wondering what she had first.

And yes I would think that this happens somewhat frequently. Especially if her parents and coaches have patience.

Anonymous said...

There is a very talented ECNL u15 player that has been to national camp and who played on the u12 B team for the same club.

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Anonymous said...

Classic high level 16 also a late bloomer. Went from not starting at u14 to one of the top players this year. However, the big distinguisher was growth on that one. Was always a very technical player. Now average or slightly bigger in size and very quick. Some kids at 14 are pretty much the final physical product. Others like this one still haven't leveled out at 16. People saying girls are done by 15 don't understand the variability in human development. Yes most are, but not nearly all. Seems almost to be a disproportionate number of late bloomer soccer players when compared to the rest of the youth population. Might be an interesting study.

Anonymous said...

Shout out to NJ's Marlton Lightning representing Region I this weekend in the USYS National Presidents Cup championship in Tulsa. The Presidents Cup offers teams from smaller clubs or less intense programs the challenge of experiencing different types of play by competing from state to regional to national levels. The Presidents Cup provides teams with a progressive, competitive experience that highlights competition, camaraderie and community.

Anonymous said...

8:38 - The late blooming can be a result of the intensity of athletic training, which can suppress the maturation process. This is most often seen in adolescent distance runners.

Anonymous said...

Why isn't there more scoring in soccer at this age. To go off the maturity thread is it that players have leveled out so it is more difficult for a more athletic player to take over a game? or is it the prescriptive nature of coaching and having only a true #10 be the scorer for the team. Has the sport become more of a system than a game? As I watched games over this past weekend it looks like teams feel the need to pass the ball 5 times at the top of the box before they take a shot. ECNL level and a girl gets the ball and takes two touches at the arc and then passes wide?? Can only score on crosses and set plays?? Have we created robot teams instead of players who can think on the ball and create their own opportunities on the field.

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@1004

Agreed. Very few real attacking threats around here. The Barca effect of the past few years ahs led to an emphasis on what people think is technical passing play. Its actually empty possession with no purpose most of the time. Add that to the poor level of fundamental ball striking and there you have it. System teams with a coach who emphasizes scheme have been successful. Unless you are involved with a particular team and the result means something to you, the soccer I see is pretty lifeless. Very few match winners.

Anonymous said...

Coaches need to focus more on finishing with attacking players. my experience has been different. I see many opportunities created and a low percentage finished.

Anonymous said...

1119

I could not disagree more. The issue is the players NOT the coaches. Players need to spend time on their own working on ball striking and finishing. Skills like these are a casualty of the lack of free play and practice. get 5 balls, go to a soccer field and strike them do that for 30 mins 3 days a week. Don't need coaching for that.

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11:53 AM

While I agree that players need to practice their shots/skills on their own it seems like coaches have a scheme that prevents winning. What I mean is that must formations are 4-4-2 4-5-1 and play possession/reset/recover, push the ball forward to the offensive 3rd and then reset if there isn't a cross or a foul. I see very little 1v1 drills, hardly any ball work drills. Training is mostly short sided games or full field scrimmage. Even with 3-4 practices a week. And if you are practicing 3-4 times a week an individual 30 minutes a day is a lot. Granted girls that want to improve their game will put in the extra effort, but if you are chastised by a coach for using your skills (or continually harangued by teammates to pas-pass-pass) will you really put in the effort? The only position I see that gets individualized training are the keepers, and that is when a day is set aside just for keeper training (usually an extra day of training).

Anonymous said...

10:04am - There are lots of goals at this age, depending on what level of play you go and watch. If you go and see an intramural game on a local field you will see many games with scores like 5-3. As the level of play increases players practice more frequently together and understand the importance of working as a team and keeping shape, this makes it much harder to break teams down which reduces chances and goals. As level of play increases, goals scored per game should reduce. The average goals per game in the Euro championship group stages was 1.92, not BC of poor players or poor finishing, but bc of good organized team defending.
Individual 1:1 defending improves as the level improves also, it is difficult for any individual player to beat 2 defenders and score so ball movement becomes important. A lack of goals does not indicate a poor game of soccer or even lack of quality. It wasn't long ago that there was a movement to increase the size of the goals and break the game into quarters when the USA won the world cup bid. An average of 2 to 3 goals per game is the norm for high level soccer.

Anonymous said...

So based on TDS here are the list of clubs with College commitments, top 50 seems to be a gap with the ECNL Teams.
2016 Grad

Team
Allegheny Force 1
Beadling SC 5
Continental FC DELCO 6
FC Bucks 9
FC Bucks/Villa Joseph Marie 1
FC Europa 1
FC Philadelphia 2
FC Providence 1
FC Revolution 1
Foothills SC (PA) 1
Hershey YSA 1
HMMS Eagle FC 1
Keystone SC (PAW) 1
LDC United 8
PA Crew Academy 1
Penn Fusion 6
Pittsburgh Riverhounds 3
Super Nova FC 1
Grand Total 50


2017 Grads
Team
Beadling SC 12
Continental FC DELCO 4
North Union United SC 2
PA Classics 1
PA Rush 1
PDA 1
Penn Fusion 12
Penn Legacy 1
Pittsburgh Riverhounds 6
Yardley Makefield Soccer 3
Keystone Athletic 1
FC Revolution 1
Warrington SC 1
Patriot FC 1
FC Bucks 2
HMMS Eagle FC 1
Grand Total 50

Anonymous said...

Quality of attacking play is poor. Its that simple. Far easier to organize a team than it is to encourage creativity. There is very little creativity in any of these tams and very little attacking talent.

Anonymous said...

An observation I have from a few games this weekend. It looked like the less skilled players are being put up top. Faster more skilled players are either outside backs or midfield. There is still a few teams that try to play balls through the middle or over the top but if the striker needs to dribble more then 5 yards they are usually shut down. CB's role has changed as well, mostly holding the line and stopping through balls, sometimes it resembles kick ball. And in all of this the keepers are facing fewer shots and becoming a sweeper or shot blocking specialist on free kicks and restarts. I want Joga Bonita back (The Beautiful Game!)

Anonymous said...

Its not ball striking necessarily that's the problem. I have seen many kids put through 1vgoal who do not have a strategy for dealing with a keeper 1v1.
I also see quite a few crosses being wiffed or shot wide or even over the goal from the 6. I see kids who are striking the ball well in practice but without the pressure of a defender on them. can't practice this stuff by oneself.

Anonymous said...

1:20 is on the mark

The "but she strikes the ball so well in practice" also denotes that there is a mental aspect - a striker needing to shut the defense out of her mind - just her and the ball - during game play.

Basketball has similar hurdles. Shot should be the same - whether defended or not.

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