Thursday, February 4, 2016

U16G - U16 Girls Youth Soccer

This page is focused on Under 16 girls youth soccer in Region 1.

Teams face increased competition for the top players, (who are increasingly attending college showcases).

More teams consolidate and the best teams--academy soccer, club soccer and high school teams--battle to attract and retain the right player mix.

Stay tuned. This is bound to be good.

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Anonymous said...

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Blues have 2 players in Europe and 1 in Oregon. so yes 3.
However you want to slice it, taking great players off all the teams totally changes the game.

Enjoy it, but its not what it could be. USSF has no cares about ECNL showcases.

Anonymous said...

I think that only one of the blues players is a full time u16 the other is a discovery player who plays for Carlsbad national league team full time. I don't think she plays a huge amount of games for them. Both are defenders (well SE plays CM for Carlsbad)but CB on the U16GNT and now training with the U17s. I think the Washington will feel the most impact from players missing.

Anonymous said...

Fact. All three teams, and others have their best players missing. given the choice, these kids chose USSF. I would expect most kids of that level to choose USSF if given a decent product and a choice. DA success will rely on more players. This is where it all breaks down. If I were in charge of building a girls DA, there would be ONE team per club and a developmental squad. If good enough, you can play whether you are 13 or 18. With elite girls, I think you can get away with it unlike boys.

Back to ECNL NJ. Its a shame that some of the matchups are not the best vs the best.

Anonymous said...

Disagree I think there should be fewer clubs but have 2 teams. You must not have a late puberty girl. There is still a lot of variability. I think you are right that there will be an egress of national level players to whichever clubs are granted DA. However, I don't think there will be enough second tier kids willing to give up high school for the DA. Hence I think you may see top kids and rosters filled with third tier kids. Second tier kids in it for college RPI 50-200 I don't see making the sacrifice if the ECNL provides a viable alternative. Potential for a cluster. FYI THERE IS a big difference between giving up a ECNL showcase for national camp and giving up High school soccer for a chance to play DA if there is a high level alternative there to support your goal of mid major soccer. It will be interesting to see how this all pans out next year.

Anonymous said...

that's why you have a Dev squad. I hear you re puberty, but that's not a reason to change. A talented kid who is not yet physically up to it can play on the dev squad and still train. Just no need to be exposed in games. HS is not really the issue for me. There is little doubt that practicing more in a better environment leads to improvement. The bigger issue, is improvement actually required to meet a kids goals. The answer is no. as you rightly stated, outside the top 30 or so schools (soccerwise) DA is not needed. Curretnly College is the goal for most of these kids, so the DA pool is actually tiny.

Anonymous said...

Heard DA is grandfathering highschool through 2020...

Anonymous said...

So 4 practice per week and HS. Joke. DA is a greed fail

Anonymous said...

@7:48

Careful. I was stoned for stating "Practicing more in a better environment leads to improvement"

Anonymous said...

http://www.excellesports.com/news/jill-ellis-nwsl-form-for-uswnt/

Anonymous said...

I have read these blogs for a couple of days now after a fellow parent told me how entertaining, insightful and somewhat accurate it they can be.

So after spending another weekend at the PDA Showcase (3 in a row), this one certainly had a very different competitive feel. Our club coach saw it in our games, other matches and talked with many college coaches who were confused, annoyed and not pleased with the level - many apparently left Saturday night and Sunday morning - which is early!

Supposedly there was a deal made in the Fall about automatic acceptance for teams that played in a "no-name showcase" in between the December ECNL event and Disney. Which if true, explains why the match ups, results and overall caliber was so much lower this year across the age groups; outside some of the ECNL match ups.



Anonymous said...

Interesting. So what do you think will happen in the future re this event, if anything?

And, just throwing it out there, (1) don't you think some coaches left because of the weather expected from the storm that came up from the south (and dumped a ton of rain causing flooding in many areas including some areas of NJ; who wants to get caught in the airport)? (2) aren't most last days light anyway as far as coaches (mostly local, usually, right)? And, lastly (3), it didn't help that NT kids weren't there, either.

Floor's yours.

Anonymous said...

Wow. Happened upon the U15 blog re info for a younger daughter. Wow, again. A lot of anger in those posts.

Anonymous said...

Strikers did not win a game at PDA, seems like a trend based on their trip to Jeff Cup as well. Did the team lose players to ECNL teams prior to PDA? Or is the level of competition too much for their style of play?

Anonymous said...

Your coach talked to which coaches? Because there were plenty there on Saturday and a reasonable amount on Monday considering there is always a drop off on the last day. So your kid's team played in the second flight of the non ECNL brackets? Not surprised that the coaches werent there actually. Better off attending a more local tournament for your kids to get appropriate level exposure.

The deal struck about which you speak only affected the non ECNL second flight. It had basically no impact on the overall quality of teams and play in the ECNL and top non ECNL flights. It impacted the second non ECNL flight, but seriously the top coaches didnt care, they werent going to those games anyway. So I call your post out as untruthful and trollish.

Regarding the national players. Yes there were some players missing. Whether they were even the top players on each team is completely debatable. Many of the teams heavily impacted by the conincident camps weren't attending this showcase anyway.

Anonymous said...

Have to laugh at comments like this

Regarding the national players. Yes there were some players missing. Whether they were even the top players on each team is completely debatable. Many of the teams heavily impacted by the conincident camps weren't attending this showcase anyway

Some people are just bitter.

Anonymous said...

Good point you can say " some people are bitter"
Some others can say you are "clueless" congrats to your daughter for making the camp.

Anonymous said...

Honestly the 2nd flight non- ecnl flights were below prior years. First flight was very good competition in first 3 brackets. U16 feel is always a bit different as the focus is about playing whole roster. The heat and expected rain tempered all play. Spoke directly to 2 coaches on Saturday breakfast who expected lower quality due to temps. I also believe they may have moved less from field to field than usual.

Anonymous said...

12:13 & 1:31 - hilarious. Both of you are going to be ordered out of the sandbox and your juice boxes will be taken away. I hope both of your kids make whatever it is you want them to make (hopefully, they want it as well).

Anyway, 1:48 - sounds logical. That heat and humidity was unbearable.

Anonymous said...

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Its actually sickening how bitter some parents are that this kids are not in every NT Camp. In fact it is insulting to the kids that work hard to gain such an honor. To continually bad mouth them is just pathetic. An no,. my kid is not in camp.

Anonymous said...

Not bitter simply true. This is a 00/99 blog. regarding the few u16 99/00s who would have been playing: some have a huge impact like the WC kid, CASL kid and hawks kids. But many impact players at this age group are 99s. I am sure I am missing some sorry if offended.

Anonymous said...

Sorry should add the u16 99s are the younger end of the range and only few are in the national pool. Not sure that there are any actually. I am sure someone will check. So most of those missing at this event at the U16 were the 3 or so U17 YNT 00s and a few more u16 YNT 00s- who, yes, were less of a miss. Didn't impact overall quality save a few games (Hawks for sure).

Anonymous said...

For all the effort, PDA couldn't protect their lower teams. I counted 4 non-ECNL PDA teams, 1 win, 1 tie and 9 losses.

Anonymous said...

10:31 - Strikers looked slow in one game I watched at PDA. They didnt lose players. They play long ball, doesnt work against high level teams. They will win games when they play the weak tournaments and weaker national league teams.

Anonymous said...

long ball absolutely works. You just need the players to execute it well. It is a growing myth in US soccer that short passing is the only way to play. PDA play a lot of long diagonal balls over the top. World Class do as well. It all part of the game. if done well, it is very effective. Ask Leicester City, the PL Champions.

Anonymous said...

I noticed over the years that Strikers play a long ball type game with sometimes fast players up top who can finish, and made that a revolving door postion. Whether it's long balls, diagonal through balls on the ground or a quick 1/2 touch it needs to be coached and executed. All sports are becoming more system oriented and less player oriented. Back in the day a coach would take athletes and get them to play as a team. Now coaches have a system and need to find specific players who fit. When you look at the Strikers or an ECNL team you can see that players are brought in or let go because of the coaches system. Some want their outside backs to carry the ball, some want them to play long out of the back, some want a sweeper keeper and some want a stay at home keeper, a forward who is good at one touch then shoot while other coaches want a forward who can breakdown a defense and serve the ball. So when you are looking at a team and wondering why your child has fallen out of favor, sometimes it's not about their ability, it's that the coaches system is biased towards their style of play. Also why you may see some Colleges recruiting from the same club teams.

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Anonymous said...

What are the chances that there will be a movement to get consistency in refereeing. How many actually get an off sides call correct? How many call the girl not in the play (but past the defense) offsides? From what I saw this weekend, most. And, that is incorrect. So, players/coaches have to adjust their game to the refs, too.

Anonymous said...

11:34 AM

Play to the whistle. Offsides impacts both teams. but it is more unfourtunate when a blown call (or no-call) results in a goal against. with a 3 ref system it should happen less often then it does but believe it or not it is more of a judgement call. As a ref, parent and player I have seen it from all sides. If the refs have a plan prior to the game (flag goes up to indicate and offsides player, it alerts the CR and he makes the call. Parents see the falg up and assume a blown call by the CR, players see the flag up and relax (on D) and player with the ball shoots GOAL! who made the right call? I'll go with the player who shot the ball.

Anonymous said...

Amazed the you feature Offside as your examples of refereeing inefficiency. the most blatant failure of refs is to actually grow some stones and call dangerous and persistent foul play. It is so easy for teams to simply kick, grab and push offensive threats. Referees totally fail to protect good, skillful players. Memo to refs, tackling from behind is a foul.

Anonymous said...

Agree with you on that too. And they are the obvious missed calls. Horrible intentional assaults. Which, in some sports there have been some citations given for similar "fouls". The refs should be held accountable when these happen on their watch (maybe a huge fine; then they will call them).

Re the offsides, because they actually change how the teams can play and most don't understand those. EVERY ref should understand a violent foul and protecting the players should be the #1 priority.

Anonymous said...

11:55 - agree with you all the players should play until they hear a whistle (correct call or not). A bad habit that the kids do, today. My coach would have benched us if we did that years ago (to teach us a lesson).

Anonymous said...

Why was the "kick and fetch" reference as far as technique removed and the ability to defend it? That is long ball...and it's mentioned in others too.

Anonymous said...

7:52 - long ball does work with the correct players. Fast midfielders to collect second balls are needed. College coaches can rate athleticism when watching long ball play but can't assess tactical awareness and technique as they can with a quick passing team like Maclean. PDA do play a lot of diagonal passes but they change it up and are good.
Strikers have not been able to win big games at Jeff PDA and have a bad record against decent ECNL teams. Results have been going south for a year or two.

Anonymous said...

I've seen the Strikers play a couple of games. 1 at Jeff Cup and one at PDA vs NEFC. Both games they looked very strong until they began to sub players.They were actually up 2-0 on NEFC before making changes. My observation is that the roster is not as Strong from top to bottom as it once was. Knowing that, I'm sure they will be looking to make some changes. They still have some very strong players. They just seem to give players an equal opportunity in the show case tournaments. Maybe a good situation for a player to get noticed, but probably not the best recipe for results.

Anonymous said...

311 if what you say is correct, the they sound like a great team to play for. Getting results is all about depth. the deeper teams get the wins, but does not mean they have the best players. I will take talented players ANY day over team development.

Anonymous said...

Don't most teams (including ECNL) substitute in showcase tourneys? Which I am surprised because these games do count toward nationals/finals/Cups in SD. This weekend, some ECNL teams got kicked out after losing and some got in after winning.

NEFC substituted as well against Strikers and other teams. And, why not substitute? These aren't league games for non-ECNL teams.

Anonymous said...

There is a difference between kick and chase and playing a long game and having a strong counter attack. One is played with the purpose, the other is not soccer.

Anonymous said...

Totally. With the purpose of kicking the ball to that player. For her to run.

Anonymous said...

Sorry, old school references as what old school coach used to say to us. Kick it to "her" and she will chase it (run onto it) and I did with zero technical skills because I was just super fast and that is all that was needed. This was done with purpose as well.

Coach D meant it as long ball (late 1970's what can I say). And Coach D was one of the relics in women's soccer; passed away recently and the sr. nat'l team wore black bands in her honor during one of their games.

Anonymous said...

It is a showcase. The coaches should be subbing players. In fact, college coaches often ask team coaches to move players to other positions to see how they do. Yes, wins are nice at showcases, bragging rites for the team but having a kid go to a showcase to warm the bench is not fair to the affected player.

Anonymous said...

2 things:
- there's not right or wrong play...long, 1/2 pass, tickitacka etc...team needs to adjust to other team's play. If there's constant high pressure then the long ball might be needed(not kick and run mind you)
- in soccer it's called OFFSIDE, no "S" (unless referring to plural), in football it's OFFSIDES, with the "S"

Anonymous said...

Strikers are missing depth for sure. I think with the age change shake up they will get some new players. It's late to be dumping old players though because the tryouts are over. Their bench can't demand a spot on an ECNL team. What's left? Europa?

They haven't been the same since last spring when their midfield was weakened by injuries and one kid left. They have to play over the midfield and their best ball winner isn't there anymore. Hopefully they will get a replacement in the transitions because they are a great example of a successful non ECNL team becoming fewer and far between.

You need ball winners in the midfield to play their style as someone else mentioned. They create a lot of 50-50 balls and need to win them to move forward. They use their fast wingers and outside backs to attack and cross also. They don't have a dominant enough center forward to be consistently successful with an over the midfield ball. Also when they play against a park the bus team they don't have a creative enough player to break down the defense. Is it that they don't value or that they don't develop that side of the game? maybe its the same thing.

There is nothing wrong with their style. its common in the collegiate game. The problem is that they are missing a couple of key pieces and depth to be consistently successful against the top teams. Hope they pick up some of the pieces this summer.

Any one know what's up with the soon to be USYSA 99s and 00s? Which teams are splitting? Which teams are staying? Which ECNL teams at which will get better or worse? How did the u16 99s fare in trying out with the older sides?

I am assuming Strikers will play 99 USYSA u18 next year and stay the same. Did they pick up some older 99s over the summer? Been watching this team largely beat my kid's for years and its model is very interesting yet in the new world they haven't been able to collect all of the best talent in the tri-state as they once did. Interesting times in youth soccer. Our kids are almost done.

Anonymous said...

8:45
I would think the strikers would stay on the same path they are on. They are basically a showcase team and while wins matter the players are there to be seen by coaches and are given the opportunity to be at events where they will. By this point all of the girls on that team should have an idea of where they will play in college and will need to maintain the communications and opportunity to be seen to finalize their signing. I think CFC had one of the bifggest re-orgs of players/coaches and teams. Definitley a different look at every age between NPL/ECNL. the 2000's went young for ECNL as the coach moved up with them and he was loyal. Also looks like they are going heavy for the DA bid with realigning coaches to show the highest level of certification at u14 and above. FC Bucks looks like they were pretty loyal to their players as well, filling spots for girls who are thinking greener pastures elswhere. And PF was solid and remains solid.

Anonymous said...

A don't understand a lot of the chatter on this forum. Every game is a showcase. I assume at this level of play that every kid wants to play in College. Coaches should be using all their players as much as they can in every game. We all pay dues and we all deserve PT. The only people who benefit from wins are the Coaches who are brushing up resumes and the Clubs who need a hook to attract more business. I don't see why more parents do not look at the Clubs that have a record of placing players in top schools. Far more important that winning a league or tournament in my opinion.

Anonymous said...

9:45 AM

Slow Clap.... You are correct. Most girls who are playing at 16,17 and 18 years old are hoping to continue to play in college. All families pay the same (maybe with the exception of some players who are receiving club assistance), I believe the unwritten rule for ECNL is league games are coached to win so playing time is competed for during the week, showcases are where coaches will play all players but still with the focus on winning. Another example of playing time is the swing players where under used ECNL players may see time at NPL games to get "their work in", this is so parents feel like their child is getting game time. NPL is also used as rehab for returning ECNL players who are injured. A typical ECNL team will have a solid 8 players that by U16 are on D1 radar, the team needs another 10-12 players to share the "recruiting costs". This means that the 8 players will see most of the game time, 2-4 others will see 20-40 minutes and some may not see any in league games. the entire squad travels sharing hotel and meal costs as well as coaching fees and incidentals. So in reality a coach wants a full roster to cover his salary, top players want a full roster so their costs are lower, and the club wants wins so that they can recruit in players. The tough part as a parent is to determine where your daughter is by U16 and face reality. ECNL for U16 team cost is $6000 add flights for the players and you have another 750, if a parent wants to travel as well add another 1K. So rounded up you are looking at $8000 for a year of soccer. Now factor in the commitment possibly summer off (but most of us are attending camps) Fall school ball with possible weekend training with ECNL team, Nov/December 2 nights a week practice and Bethesda or CASL, Christmas break showcase, January/Feb training 1 or 2 days a week March 3 practices a week, 2 games a week through June with 2 trips out west. If by U17 you and your daughter agree that Duke/Virginia/Maryland/UCLA/Penn State etc. hasn’t knocked you can step down a level, get really good training/competition and still have a bright future as a college student who will play soccer for her school.

Anonymous said...

But all you ever read is X Fc is a great team because they won ABC tournament.

I want to hear X fc are a great place to play, they give PT to all payers, they promote NPL player if they deserve, they carry a roster of less than 20, the coaching is really good. Extra sessions are available. They treat all player with respect. They try and win, but will not burn out kids or sacrifice principles to do so. When a coach comes to see a kid , they put them in a position to succeed. They are truthful when talking to coaches about their payers and they get kids in to the "right" schools based on the kids academic and soccer ability.

That is a good club, in my opinion. The rest of the nonsense I don't care about. Constantly trying to recruit players is not a good club. How about developing the players you have? it is a bigger achievement to get your 10th best player in to a great D3 school using her soccer as the key to get by admissions than it is to get a NT player a full ride @ Duke. Lets face it. is spite of what we think, most of our kids are the "generic" player and not the superstar we think they are.

Anonymous said...

11:14
quite the ideal set up
Does that team exist?

Anonymous said...

11:45 AM

It probabaly does for some. But the main point from 11:14 post is the parents realizing their daughter's potential. If you are player 16-20 on and ECNL team and moved down to NPL can you look at it as a better fit? or do you look to run to the next ECNL team. Also do you have sufficient information on the coaching style to determine if your daughter will be supported. Also as a parent knowing how to communicate with the coach and club and be an advocate for your daughter.

Anonymous said...

it would exist if that was how WE measured club success. The problem is we allow W/L and other meaningless rubbish to define success for us. My kids team gets 100+ coaches at games. Why? because they have a NT player on the team who draws schools in. Does that really benefit my kid? not so much. Nut we read all these dumb comments about the # of coaches like its a measure of a TEAMS level. It may be, but often its not. Parents are often overpaying for the wrong type of exposure and the wrong type of club. All the player movement at some clubs should be a red flag. A good club should not be losing players for soccer reasons. A good club should not be able to service a roster of >20 fairly, but parents want to be on teams that win, even if their role is tiny. Good clubs should not be telling kids we don't need you @ showcase X because we have enough already. Good clubs should not be taking Discovery players to replace fee paying players. First duty should be to those kids that have been loyal to you. I don't care how good the discovery kid is. Same with replacing older kids with Play ups unless forced to.

There are good clubs out there, but there are a lot of bad ones whose sole purpose is to seek glory and use your $$ to fund it.

parents have to be far more demanding than they are or nothing will change.

Anonymous said...

11:45 - you really know a lot about Strikers. I have not seen any other team or club broken down or studied with such detail.

Agreed. They are a solid non-ECNL team but there are a couple of others, Patriots for example that should get stronger this next year as well.

Like many others are finding, the leagues are all over the place anymore. And, unfortunately, it should only get even more chaotic.

Anonymous said...

Hey 12:12 - very insightful. Thank you.

Anonymous said...

Is there a closer bond with your club team or the ODP team? I sometimes notice that the ODP team sems tighter?? Is this due to the girls on the club team being a bit colder to the ODP players?

Anonymous said...

No one on my daughter's team even cares who is doing ODP as long as they aren't missing events for ODP.

Anonymous said...

Anyone catch the USA v. Japan last night. Thoughts? And, Japan not in Olympics this year, luckily.
Hope the USA gals get paid despite the draw :)
Morgan/Pugh look great. And, Tobin Heath is just amazing. We have a Tobin-like gal on our team who is just as dynamic. Gotta appreciate those skills. And, poor Long looks to be a long-shot for the roster. Like her, but last night, not her best.

Happy Friday all!.

Anonymous said...

Japan outclassed the USA. Technically and tactically far better. Morgan was average. 2 goals for shooting it @ the GK and a complete lack of vision to keep shooting when others better placed. On Pugh, stop watching the hype and watch the player. Japan had several players who were better than her. I thought she was ok, but far from great.

Anonymous said...

8:12 AM

Wow a bit rough on Pugh. She deserves her spot. Watching her last night and she worked well with and without the ball. Had Mogan been aware Pugh should have been on the end of a few nice open looks at the net. Hopefully she will mature at UCLA and be a strong player for a few cycles or Olympics and WC.

Anonymous said...

Agree 812 on all but Pugh. She has a gear no Japanese player has. She is also pretty technical. matbe not as technical as some of the Japanese but her quickness and overall pace are far superior. That said other than Dunn, I thought the US quality was lacking. Agree on Morgan. But for a soft yellow and a 20 yo GK US would have lost 3 (or more)-1

Wake up USA!

Anonymous said...

Would have liked to have seen emily s last night too. When is next friendly before they leave for Rio? Does anyone have the schedule? Thanks!

Anonymous said...

Don't hate the poster...our ladies are playing the typical ECNL speed play and the rest of the world has caught up and is surpassing us with the technical and tactical.
This is why the USSF is bring the DA to the ladies...must look at the overall play, technical, tactical, physicality etc...
Happy Friday!!

Anonymous said...

The US Women play Japan again on Sunday in Cleveland. Noon EST on ESPN2.

Anonymous said...

Pugh needs some real analysis. Im tired of reading one way reviews of a player who is good, but has faults (like every player does)Am I watching /listening to a game or is this another Nike commercial. Japan were a class above in so many areas. Swap goalies and that game is 5-0 Pugh or no Pugh.

Anonymous said...

So many perfect analysts on this board who have never had an off day. 1 game does not indicate anything. You all must be a joy to ride home with after a game that doesn't quite go your way. You people are on a huge role coaster and can't decide weather your up or down. USA is ranked #1 in the world for a reason. I can see how the sky is definitely falling.

Anonymous said...

You are a pompous ***
Why don't you post something entertaining. Be part of the discussion. Why do you think that the USA are just fine the way they are and should sit happily as # 1 that just got owned by a young Japanese team with a weak 20 yo GK. Oh and everyone knows the GK average ages are older precisely because they peak much later than field players.

Anonymous said...

June 2, 2016 at 3:06 PM - Interesting observation about the relationship difference between the Club team and ODP team. I've seen the same thing with my daughter. My daughter is the only ODP player on her club team, but I do not think that is a factor because most of her teammates do not have an interest in ODP. I think the issue is one of routine v. uniqueness. She sees her club team players day in and day out at school and practice, but only sees her ODP teammates a few times a month and at special events. The ODP players use their devices to keep in touch, but do not have the regular personal interaction that comes with both the good and the bad. I suppose it is like the difference between a long term relationship and a fling on the side. The fling may be new and exiting, but it may also be fleeting, and would be nothing but for the grounding and stability of the long term relationship.

Anonymous said...

11:01 - thank you for the info re today's game. Much appreciated.

Anonymous said...

Re the sr. nat'l team, they are still missing Lloyd and Rapino. While the mindset in any team is that you play around injuries and no one is irreplaceable. The reality is some players aren't as easily replaced as others.
The friendly is an assessment as to who is making the roster.

And, the other reality is as previously posted, soccer around the world is improving. Nothing a gimme anymore.

And, the ODP stuff, hilarious. ODP the "other" paramour. Hahahaha. Too much.
Happy Sunday!

Anonymous said...

I am so tired of some of these clowns on this board bashing us women's team , today a perfect example , a nicely played 2-0 win . I will take us women's model over the us men's development anyday . Why is it us soccer trying to get women to be more like a failed model , the us men's team which hasn't won anything ever. The us women are dominant and will continue to be , the results are in the record . Ecnl works and we are trying to change it to a failed model

Anonymous said...

So says they guy who knows nothing actually about soccer. The wnt played a completely different line up today than they had on Thursday. Japan using this event to sort some things out. Thursday 2 goals clear GK errors. Japanese field lineup definitely weaker but the GK better. First goal clearly offside. All is not great with women's (girls) development in this country and complacency will result in a rapid decline.

Anonymous said...

The girls model is working . Friendly games are used to try out new players and systems. There is competition from many great players to try and make the national team. The DA model has failed on many levels on the mens side. The training has provided very robotic players. There are very few USMNT team players who are creative or dribble past players. Giving control over the production of players to a single DA is not good. At the moment the ECNL provides a national platform for players at a high level to complete against each other. The DA is going to dilute this as you will have strong players in DA, ECNL, and on other club teams. If the DA is serious about the development on the womens side I am sure it will provide the girls DA with full financial backing and all the new Mia's won't have to pay anything to play DA!

Anonymous said...

Dunn was off side too on the second goal prior to the cross

Anonymous said...

Do you see a more creative player on the women's side than Christian Pulisic? A product of the DA?

Anonymous said...

The US Men's program is a failed model and is terrible product .the results speak for themselves. Why on earth are we trying take the women's program and push towards the mens model is beyond any reasoning . I have heard for many years now the women's program is in decline and will be overtaken/. I say by whom the womens soccer in this country is fine and the athletes great, just don't screw up by following a failed model like the us mens program

Anonymous said...

Many would disagree with you regarding the state of women's soccer now and for the foreseeable future. Especially regarding the youth teams which could be considered a barter of the future. U20 just lost to Japan 5-0. How are all those pretty silica crystals looking?
The problem with men's development in the us is is the fact that there is no financially strong professional league to provide incentive for individual player development. Even if there were we would have a problem because our laws prevent a club from generating a substantial transfer fee for children and adolescents developed by a club. This transfer fee is what funds strong development programs and provides incentive to keep the focus on individual player development.

The DA is an attempt to make the best of a poor situation. With all the clamouring about ECNL Money grab, would have thought most would welcome more regulation. Alas I have no confidence in the nepotistic USSF at all. If it weren't for Christian Pulisic's father managing every minute of his development, he probably would have been relegated to the B team by some farce of an English "professional" coach because he was a small physical late bloomer as a little kid. That's where we fall down in selecting talent rather that identifying those whose ceiling height provides the for potential for greatness.

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Anonymous said...

The USWNT is without question the best the world has to offer. Anyone who says otherwise is just that type of person who for whatever reason (controversy creator, I know better than you, naysayer, etc) will always say the sky is falling. The US has young young talent mixed in with veterans and the future looks bright.

As for relegation, I think that’s great if you’re concerned about wins & losses but if you are truly, truly concerned with development, final scores should not matter too much.

Anonymous said...

You don't even close to get it regarding issues related to promotion and relegation. It's the motivator to improve. It fights complacency and drives innovation.

regarding the USWNT. as I said its not about today its about tomorrow. get your head out of the sand.

Anonymous said...

The US Men have no embedded advantage. So to compare the results of the 2 programs is stupid.

Title 9 has created a massive advantage for the US women. Essentially the USSF has a parent funded development pool because kids can get a "pro deal" aka college education for free(this may be more perception than reality for many but it still drives parent spending). The question ahs to be what have the US done given the huge advantages they have. I would say the gap has certainly narrowed relative to the competition and there is not real reason why it would if development was better. Currently, there is NO development save what individual club coaches decide to do. Many focus on winning games - team dev. and not individual dev. as much. Many don't even do that well. Most club are coaching for college and not the USSF. So cannot agree that the USA even have a model really. The ECNL is a competition platform, that's it. Im not going to overreact to the u20 losing 0-5 to Japan, but it should raise eyebrows that a team containing players as highly hyped as Ashley Sanchez etc loses 0-5 to anyone. In theory you could have had Pugh on that team as well and judging by the score, would have made little difference.

a good college soccer platform does ZERO for the men as most top countries identify players earlier, have them developed in a Pro environment earlier and therefore at similar ages they are miles ahead of the USA player in many key areas.

Anonymous said...

Not comparing results. Saying that youth soccer development is a collective. Many of the same coaches coaching both genders. It is the development model that needs to change to be able to produce world class players on the men's side and entertaining technical soccer with its athletic background that will continue to be competitive on the women's side and produce more entertainment value to grow the sport.

Anonymous said...

The incentives in US youth soccer are not conducive to producing great players. They favor taking as much money as you can from parents who seem willing to empty wallets as soon as you say the words Elite or Academy. Great players will fall out of the US system simply based on volume, but its not a good process.

Anonymous said...

I guess there was a tip of the hat re respect to the ladies yesterday when some of the cable stations that were playing old boxing matches of the late and great Ali (RIP Champ) and pre-empted them for WNT v. Japan soccer game. Not sure that would have occurred a few years ago.

Good to see some respect for the sport taking place with the tv coverage. Now if they could get more NWSL games on cable instead of U-tube. This is the process that needs to occur as well.

Anonymous said...

@9:36
You got a bit testy when I gave my opinions. lol. You appear to be one of the personality types I was referring too.

Anonymous said...

727 you are the one clearly with he personality disorder throwing insults around like you do. There are many articles written by soccer pundits supporting that opinion. Turn the glass onto yourself for the pathology.

Anonymous said...

Hypothetical situation - My daughter’s team has a bad first half of their season. The team is in a structure where if they don’t have a good enough W-L record they are relegated out of their league/flight. This is not a regular NJYS type team or league. Everyone is watching and if they get knocked down it will be bad news for the team & club. My daughter is a late bloomer, bottom third on team. The coach focuses on the top 2/3 of team not only in games but practice also because relegation would be problematic. They win some games and keep their status. My daughter gets discouraged and quits soccer for lacrosse. Two years later as a high school junior she has hit her stride. Faster, quicker, stronger, smarter. She was already a high level athlete before she quit soccer just not off the charts as she is now. High level NCAA Lacrosse offers are coming in from everywhere and she goes to the university of her choice and lives happily ever after.

I definitely see negatives to relegation and positives to a closed league. I’ve heard and read the arguments for relegation and I’m not convinced.

As far as the USWNT, I’ve been on youth soccer blogs since my kid had a carding situation at u9 and have been hearing the doom & gloom about the decline and all they do is keep winning. Of course I’ll never be able to convince you of this as you will not be able to convince me. We both have our personality types (not disorders) just in this situation the USWNT record supports my belief.

Anonymous said...

An open letter to coaches:

Please be a coach, especially at this age. Don’t be a business person, an administrator, or a jerk. You have a job to do related to many stakeholders so wearing too many hats will make you ineffective. Be honest, I know this is hard because this also makes you accountable and vulnerable but it is important. Know your limitations and the expectations of your players. Be involved enough to know where the issues are amongst the team. Spend time on team building (don’t leave this for the chaperones to do on the overnight trips). Plan a few non-soccer events (hey why-not get the team to volunteer and show them the importance of giving back??). And train your players in their roles, don’t just run scrimmage and small sided games, actually coach in some skills. And most of all don’t be lazy, parents pick up on this as much as they complain about playing time. If you are an ECNL coach, you should be able to provide a baseline assessment of each player and where you believe they fall in the recruiting process (D1/II/III or other). If a player is out reaching their grasp don’t encourage, realign and help them. This may even be true for the NPL and “Select/Premier” coaches. Take the approach that a fair honest assessment will be welcomed even if it is below perception. It may even challenge those D1 aspirations with D3 skills to step up their game.

Anonymous said...

An Open Letter to Parents:
Be realistic with your kids, at this age they are dealing with everything and more that we were dealing with in the 80’s and 90’s. Do a search on “Soccer Girl Problems” satirical and truthful. If your child is the D1 recruit leader for your team great, we are happy for you because until she commits she is bringing coaches to games. But telling everyone that your U16/17 has X number of offers on the table set’s you up a bit especially if she has a bad game. Also realize that the other parents on the team are dealing with the emotions, physical stress, and external issues as well. Share the common bond and support each other. Also , if more than half the team realizes that the coach is misrepresenting him/herself maybe collectively you can help fix the situation, but griping on the sidelines or hoping it will get better will never change the situation. Although there are factions that stand together so this may be a moot point. Oh, and have a parent bonding event, seriously, If you are the parent with the big house and pool, open your doors prior to the season and have a kick-off party. Everyone chip in and try to stay sober.

Anonymous said...

So how did it shake out for tryouts? Which teams will be playing 00 and which 99? How did the ECNL teams handle this year? Big 99/98 rosters? What happened with all the composite drama? Kids mostly stay put?

Anonymous said...

8:33
From an Earlier Post
"Anonymous said...
8:45
I would think the strikers would stay on the same path they are on. They are basically a showcase team and while wins matter the players are there to be seen by coaches and are given the opportunity to be at events where they will. By this point all of the girls on that team should have an idea of where they will play in college and will need to maintain the communications and opportunity to be seen to finalize their signing. I think CFC had one of the bifggest re-orgs of players/coaches and teams. Definitley a different look at every age between NPL/ECNL. the 2000's went young for ECNL as the coach moved up with them and he was loyal. Also looks like they are going heavy for the DA bid with realigning coaches to show the highest level of certification at u14 and above. FC Bucks looks like they were pretty loyal to their players as well, filling spots for girls who are thinking greener pastures elswhere. And PF was solid and remains solid.
June 2, 2016 at 9:09 AM"

Anonymous said...

How many bucks girls made the move to continental.

Anonymous said...

2 bucks kids to Strikers. Don't think any went to CFC.

Anonymous said...

the 2 bucks kids probably committed already. strikers will play at a good level and it will be less expensive than ECNL.

Anonymous said...

One of them is a 2019. probably not committed.

Anonymous said...

8:33

did the Strikers lose any players who thought the model no longer works? or to go with an age pure team?

Anonymous said...

The only kid I know of that has left Penn Fusion for anything but play time issues went to Penn Fusion to play with her sister. I think the model is working.

Anonymous said...

Sorry left Strikers for Penn Fusion

Anonymous said...

Two Bucks kids to Strikers, one to CFC and one to PDA

Anonymous said...

From FC Bucks 16s ,2 going strikers. 1 CFC. No FC Bucks player going to PDA at the 16s age group. A player from PDA Gunners moved to FC Bucks and played at PDA tournament for FC Bucks.

Anonymous said...

What position kid from PDA to bucks? The kids going to Strikers are very good. How may bucks 00 from u16 stayed? maybe the new kid from PDA will help, but seems like they are hurting right now. Will they be competitive next year?

Anonymous said...

I don't know what position. She played 1 game and scored 1 goal for Bucks so maybe attacking position. 2 00's from older team staying and 3 good new players added. The 00 team only lost 3 of 14 ecnl league games and won all 3 games against good teams at PDA. They will be a very competitive team.

it is not a good decision for any uncommitted 2000 to play up at 99's next year. College coaches will be mainly focusing on 2000 age group as the better 99s will already be committed.

Anonymous said...

Does anyone know the San Diego schedules (champs and north american cup)? Are they posted anywhere? Txs!

Anonymous said...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2o5769jBlBM
ECNL draw

Anonymous said...

6/10 @ 11:55 - thank you!

Anonymous said...

That ridiculous WV venue is a vestige of the supidity and frank corruption that is/was region 1 (USYSA) adnministration. This garbage is exactly why US Club (PDA) decided to bag out of these programs and create their own.

Anonymous said...

Does PDA want the girls DA badge? After looking over the end of the year heading into the ECNL playoffs it looks like PDA is the leader in the Mid Atlantic region when it comes to their girls program. taking that into consideration if PDA does go with a DA Level would any of the remaining ECNL teams in the area be picked as well? If So I would think Penn Fusion would be next in line...

Anonymous said...

PAC

Anonymous said...

PDA is the leader in what? Girls development? Or winning games. Huge difference. Winning in youth soccer is largely based on recruitment, and not development.

Anonymous said...

What was the PDA overall record in their own showcase?

Anonymous said...

yep..coz w/l tells you all you need to know about development

Anonymous said...

PDA was seeded #1 in the ECNL champions league...enough said.

My kid does not play for PDA, but has played against them. They are a well coached team with an excellent development model. Do they attract great kids? Yes, but they have developed them also. Great program and great team that has gotten better every year.

Anonymous said...

I overheard a comment recently that the girls' DA badges are starting to roll out. Is that true or was it just hype, if anyone knows? Txs!

Anonymous said...

1043

they have?

Anonymous said...

Uh yeah once again for those of you who are a little slow...#1 seed in the champions league.

Anonymous said...

With the splash girls coming up ,the older girls better start looking for a place to play

Anonymous said...

@928 please explain what that has to do with development?

Anonymous said...

PAC has no shot at DA

Anonymous said...

lol well many have been with the team for years. They play great technical flowing possession soccer. Their success has grown every year. The play time is more even than most of the teams out there with no drop off with subs. They now have had an amazing season capped with remarkable achievement. They have achieved individual success both in skill development and in recognition as well. Soooo what's your beef? How do you define development?

Anonymous said...

@12:49 PAC hater, douche and ignorant of soccer world...
They have no shot because?

Anonymous said...

I am not 707
I think PAC is pretty much a shoo in for DA and no my kid doesn't play there. I believe this because one of the main criterion for selection that will be used to discriminate between clubs applying is the number and quality of national players the club has produced. If anyone is at even remotely following USMNT right now then you know that Christian Pulisic is the darling of our nation. His youth development is largely credited to PA Classics where his father and mother were his coach and trainers. He alone guarantees PAC inclusion in the GDA. Factor in the decent facilities and coaches (though I think they are a little thin in licensing but good enough for the USSF regarding boys DA) and its a no brainer. The bigger question is CFC or PF?
PF wins on national players and history of producing successful teams. But is pretty close geographically. Tie in coaching credentials. So PF wins in national players and success, CFC geography. My money on PF.

Anonymous said...

9:11 AM

Which Club already has a boys DA - CFC, which club has good facilities (or access to good facilities with USTC/Proving Grounds - which is being upgraded with fields and a true clubhouse/changing rooms/food service). Coach licensing at CFC has been a priority as well. The only fly in the ointment for CFC or PF is that they hold ECNL badges and the DA powers that be may want to avoid allegiance to blaze their own path. To me it would be like Coke and Pepsi using the same manufacturing plants. If the GDA wants to show their dominance, parking in the ECNL garage may not be in their plans.

Anonymous said...

so by your logic, PDA has to choose? I think DA will be co-located and not co-located depending on club. No hard and fast rules. No way the force a choice the because on $$ terms they lose. You have t understand that no one who has ECNL already will give up to have fewer teams, fewer $$ and higher standards with USSF looking over your shoulder. A Da without some of the best club in the US is pointless

Anonymous said...

Just wondering, are Proving Grounds getting bleachers?

Anonymous said...

Seems strange that US Soccer would give away DA badges just because a club has a boys' academy (PAC, CFC, etc). Success with boys doesn't necessarily translate to success with girls (and vice versa).

And, re PF, Bucks, etc. (others without Boys' DA badges) send developed players to Union Academy. So, these clubs have great development for guys as well.

It will be interesting to see what happens when they start to roll out. And, when is that? July???

Anonymous said...

Having a weak boys pay to play DA based on the history associated with FC Delco will not help the GDA application. In fact the USSF may very well prefer the PF model of proudly sending its boys, developed well within their club, to free Union programs. Proves both that the development is there and they are a "progression not possession" club. Regarding ECNL versus non ECNL: The USSF won't care about the ECNL except to say that a club must send its top team into the DA at the combined age groups. Expect the ECNL to provide "preacademy" equivalent programming in ECNL clubs. Just as I would entertain the possibility that the boys ECNL programming may take over the pre academy leagues. US clubs is already managing the Pre academy leagues so no big leap there.

Anonymous said...

Da will have almost no impact on current u16 players

Anonymous said...

1:23 PM

There was a set of bleachers installed for one of the fields.

Anonymous said...

2:29 - Got it. I heard they would (U16's) get at least a year out of it before graduation, if they are chosen for potential inclusion (provided they are with a Club that has DA distinction). Might be worth it to some. When does the DA actually go into effect?

Anonymous said...

2017-18 season. Doubt most will switch clubs in their senior year unless directed by their college to do so. Don't expect that to happen much

Anonymous said...

With all the GDA's coming out is there something that we don't know is happening. From what I am hearing is that Cedar Stars is grabbing kids from Matchfit current U16 teams. I can't see why these girls would go to some where like that when its unproven. I can understand the few going to FC Copa but not Cedar Stars.

Anonymous said...

why not? I would make a case that the parents of most kids who are not considered top 5 on their current teams are willing to move because they think its going to be different somewhere else. they believe that Jane not being top 5 is about everything BUT Janes ability so they will keep moving :)

Anonymous said...

Happy Father's Day to all the soccer dads out there. We have to remember in all the madness - Mom and Dad, the most important job we will ever have.

Anonymous said...

159 I agree. It worst with players 5-10 who start, but don't get the invites to ID programs and occasional play-ups. If they don't move they are the ones constantly grumbling abut poor coaching and trying to get the other parents to join in on the bash fest. After an ID event notices go out its a real mess.

Anonymous said...

Cedar Stars is likely to become the next DA

Anonymous said...

They don't have to grumble about poor coaching and try to talk others into joining. EVERYONE thinks the coaching is terrible. Even the top 5 players. They just would never leave because it is working for them. And who can blame them! I wouldn't move my kid if she were top 5 either...

Anonymous said...

248. the coaching on my kids team is excellent. No reason for her to move.

Anonymous said...

A pleased as punch parent...a rare find on these posts. :) Totally agree. If it is working and you & your kid are happy, no reason to go anywhere. It does exist.

Anonymous said...

Tab Ramos will line his pockets with a gift DA program.

Anonymous said...

Like he did with NJSA?

Anonymous said...

If Cedar Stars gets girls DA you can throw the whole system out. To award a program of this level to Tab Ramos would be a profound injustice to many other long established programs. His NJSA teams were marginal and Cedar Stars addition was purely for the boys program. Having no history and only a high level US Soccer official will only reinforce the long standing notion that even US soccer is corrupt at the highest levels. Can anyone say conflict of interest?

Anonymous said...

The Girls DA badges will most likely go to PF, CFC and PDA. If any of the clubs have a relationship with US soccer (ex player or coach) they may have a shot as well. The DA will not matter much to u16 and rising u17/18 as they are already on D1 radar and will commit within the next 12 months. The only movement to DA will be if the offereing college coach wants them to be aligned with a specific club or coach who supports playing style. Any girl who is currently not talking to colleges may jump to DA - if offered, hoping it will raise there Soccer IQ. By the way, this is not being done to truly benefit the players, this is soccer commerce at it's best. Just like you can have a starbucks and a Dunkin on the same intersection, there are enough parents with deep pockets that will buy the product based on the promise of savy shoulda been coaches and DOCs.

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