^^^ lol The US Women just proved they are the best in the world and you say it’s time for a change. I’m glad I can just sit back and enjoy with complete faith that the leaders of US Soccer know exactly what they are doing.
The change was made and Wambach, Rampne, and Holiday are able to retire with dignity, but you weren't watching the World Cup closely enough if you do not think the double yellows on Rapinoe and Holiday didn't change things for the US. Jill Ellis was smart enough not to go back to the lineup she used at the group stage, but it's hard to argue that the changes were by design.Carli Lloyd was a different player when she was moved away from a defensive role. Without those yellows, I'm not sure Brian ever becomes a starter during this world cup.
7:25 the point is that there doesn't seem to be a dominant team in tri state area. Talent appears well dispersed through ECNL and NPL. The only truly dominant team around here would be NEFC.
Any DUMMY that things the US Result was not the results because of changes many of us 'bashers' were calling for is just that...A DUMMY! The result only supports what we have been calling for. Thank you very much.Ellis made some gutsy lineup and formation decisions. The US women had horrendous early games by everyones admission. It really was not until the Germany game that you saw quality from our ladies which was an absolutely delight to watch.Yes, the U.S. is once again World Cup champs but we were a goal in two games away from being champs. We showed resolve and some commitment to evolving our game. Thankfully.This positive result may be more impactful for the future of the sport in the U.S. than most of us can imagine if it frees up coaches a bit so they can develop/evolve our game.DCShore
The mighty OZ has spoken.
He sees all, knows all.
you may not like DC but he is right. Until the Germany game, the midfield was bypassed and poorly involved in the games. Carli Lloyd was pretty ineffective until she was placed in an attacking role. From the Germany game onwards I think every one can be taught a lesson about building and attack involving the defense, midfield and forwards. The home run long balls have no place in today's game. Yes you can beat beat weaker teams with long ball direct soccer, but with the better teams you need to build and sustain an attack. I think we also learned that all teams need to build from the back up. The defensive back line was solid throughout.
What is there not to like about self-righteous posts, thank you very much.
sorry people. dont kid yourselves. None of the US goals in the final were a result of building from the back. NONE. The US capitalized on set pieces and mistakes. That is womens soccer. The level of play is,IMO disappointing. Possession is given away easily, passing is relatively poor and finishing from open play is terrible. Lloyd is a fit, strong lady, but she is no technician. I saw her completely miss the ball and fall over it more than once in the finals. The USA simply re-affirmed the massive advantages they have over every other country. The fact that they had not won since 99 was amazing. Unless another country luck in to a golden generation, e are in for more of the same. Stunning to me that a team of 30 somethings can be effective in the womens game. Would not happen in the mens game.
Agree horrible soccer, but why does it have to be so? Sure women are slower and weaker just a fact. The game will always be slower than the men's game. But that doesn't mean it has to lack artistry. There is no physiological reason why they should make poor decisions on the ball, have poor technique or lack creativity. I believe that there are plenty of players in the US who have the technique sophistication and indeed artistic creativity to play a beautiful game. They just are not selected. I do however, after seeing the U17 play, believe a few, Emina Eckic (sp?) comes to mind, are being selected, but there continues to be a bias toward athleticism (Mallory Pugh) to the exclusion of the artists. The U20s I thought were uninspired. Why not develop a mix of players- athletic forwards and center backs, fast outside backs and technical midfielders and wingers. But the US seems very myopic in its selection process.
What selection process? If you believe half of what you read, they seem to have abdicated much of that responsibility to The ECNL.
The USSF designates head coaches for each of the youth national teams. April kater is the director overseeing all of the teams and used to coach the U14s (now odd years start at u15) The head coach designates multiple scouts, whose opinion they can trust, to identify players. These scouts attend multiple events both USYSA and ECNL including ODP. They also consult and scout the national training center event coaches and their sessions. The YNT coaches attended the regional NTC combine in Lancaster, PA this past spring. When watching a game- usually ECNL, national league, or ODP interregional- they usually sit at the 50 between the coaches and wear US soccer attire with the crest prominent if you look for them. The scouts make recommendations to the coaches on whom is interesting to them and deserves an invitation. the coaches themselves are also present at all major events and may go see a particularly interesting player after having been directed by a scout. In general that's how it works. The ECNL isn't the only place they scout. They have a database of players' scores on the technical testing done at the NTC events and can consult that too. But the only USYSA events where they will be in plentiful supply will be the national league events (CASL/Disney/and Vegas) and the ODP interregional.
currently the USSF mistake technical testing for technical expertize. The ability to see the picture and execute in it is my definition of technique. All these isolation based tests of juggling - both feet and head, shooting accuracy etc mean nothing when executed under zero pressure. I watch kids in these environments excel and then watch them in games- night and day. The knee jerk reaction to losing to japan and NOT winning the WC since 99 was the mantra, we must get more technical. Lets be Japan. Newsflash- we cant. in America the game seems to be a very one vs one game. Kids taking turns on the ball while others watch. the team work is lacking because I don't see players who understand situations and know how to bring team mates into play. In summary, the kids just don't read the game well and see the whole picture.Most of the players the federation picks are pretty decent individually. But many of them seem similar in style. You wont see beautiful soccer until players are picked who can work together. The USA is a star system, not a team system. Teams need variety, and a common tactical goal. Teams need unselfish players.
Never seen Pugh play, but TD Soccer see her as the second coming. Is she that good? I see the results of USA teams she is in and I don't think I have seen one win. Every game she plays, TDS say how great she is.
DC, thanks for referring to me as a dummy. Every now and then I think you might be an intelligent level headed analyst then you remind me that you are not. When you are proven wrong you shout and stamp your feet and call people names. Bottom line is I was right, some of the older players (Lloyd, Rapione) and some of the younger players (Brian, Johnston) combined to prove to the world we are the best. My daughter and her friends had a blast at the parade today! God Bless the US! We might have won that tournament with our bench players. Our coach said before the first game that they didn’t want to play their best games early but rather later in the tournament. She forecast her strategy then executed it. Great coaching if you ask me, but what does a dummy like me know.
I am not personally impressed. I watched the entire U20 WC last year. She was playing up 3 years. She was lost. Very fast, but I didn't see the creativity everyone touts. I also watched the recent NTC U20 tournament (Its on you tube still)Again I thought she was average at best, but again playing up 2 years. she is fast but tends to miss hit shots and waste great chances. I don't see her creating much for others at all. In general I am not thrilled watching the U20s. The exception was Rose LaVelle. She is a junior at Wisconsin and identified as the #1 collegiate midfielder currently. She is sometimes fun to watch for Wisconsin, but the USSF (Michele French) in its infinite wisdom, played her too far back as a holder in the u20 WC (shades of morgan Brian). She didn't have the impact that I think she could have if positioned behind Linsdey Horan. Instead, when Pugh couldn't handle the responsibility at attacking mid, French played her forward and pulled Horan back. French's positional decisions hamstrung the US with multiple players out of their best positions. reminds me of the recent proceedings.
I want to be like DC
I watched Pugh on youtube. I saw some things i liked. Definitely can penetrate and as some speed. Looked to have good feet as well. Looks like a winger to me, not a CM, but would need to see more. I hope she is not one of these kids who looks like a world beater against poor teams and disappears against good ones. I the japan game she had some good moments, but not many. That is the problem with the womens game at the international level, especially youth. There is a lack of competitive games.Players dominate, get complacent and then lose to the one good team they face.
If I'm not mistaken wasn't the great OZ a fraud and mislead the people......to get what he wanted because he was too much of a coward to kill the wicked witch himself..........you are right I do see a resemblance and a direct correlation between the two lolEric Harris
Eric, this has been a discussion on US Soccer, do you really need to make it personal? I can't find a single PDA comment ion this stream.
Where is GW coaching now?
GW is right where he's been for the past two years.
Copa seemed to have struggled at the NPL Finals, once again, it seems NJ clubs at all levels struggle when leaving the state.
Can someone please explain to me how FC Virginia is ecnl, npl, region 1 league, and play in state cup? Is it more than one team or something I don't understand it.
FC Virginia Premier is not the ECNL Club and that is the team playing in the NPL Finals. No different than the PDA Pride and the PDA Gunners. Well maybe a little different since the Pride will never see the NPL Finals.
From what I understand, FC Virginia has a pool of about 35 players that participate in multiple leagues, etc- not two or three different teams.
My understanding it was the ABGC Premier 99 team from last year that went over to FCV. That team for the most part participated in State Cup, ECNL, NPL, USYSA National League, Region 1 Champions League, ECNL Seattle, and NPL Finals. FC Virginia Premier 99 is the same team as the ECNL team. FC Virginia did have a large roster in the beginning, not anymore.
Good try 7:50 PM. Let's brainstorm the ways you might try to feel better about yourself tomorrow ... punish a pet, steal someone's parking spot, short-tip the waiter/waitress, take candy from a baby. LOSER !!!
@ July 11, 2015 at 9:21am I’m sorry I didn’t see the disclaimer that I am only allowed to make responses to certain post…..I am truly disappointed in you because you should know better to know that I respond to whatever I feel and whoever doesn’t like it…………………..I guess get over it. I only find it odd that you would respond the way you did. Did I say something that was incorrect. I seen several times and I also took my kids to see the show Wicked which ties it all together so I would say that what I said is correct in my assessment. Eric Harris
9:37 You are right, you are free to post what you want without a disclaimer, It would be nice if just once you could post actually post something about soccer being that it is a soccer blog.
What did 7:50 say that was so wrong?? Pride is imploding on themselves, they won't see the finals in anything if the coach/DOC doesn't stop his nonsense.
3:55 LET IT GO ALREADY! So your daughter got cut, get over it man.
U15 Girls soccer should be about development and progression, not about winning or losing. Listen I get it we all want to see our girls play well and win, no one likes losing. Its a shame if there are clubs out there that are just looking to field the best team at all costs. That's not about what we want as parents. We want our girls to develop into young responsible women with a chance to be able to continue to play the game they love. All the negative talk on here is Ridiculous. Listen we all have choices if you dont think your Daughter\son are getting the proper training then go else where, if a coach cuts you, you look else where because you don't need to be there anyway.
Pride coach didn't cut anyone, no one showed up at tryouts.
2;43 I disagree, yes we all want our kids to develop, but whether we liking or not, kids enjoyment comes from competing and yes winning. Even at age 7 when scores weren't kept, the kids always knew who won and lost. I've never seen a kid come off a field after a 3-0 whooping and say "wow, that development felt great today." I believe that winning is a consequence of good development, anyone who has driven 8 hours to a tournament knows how good that drive is when your daughter's team wins and how bad it is when they lose.The negative talk is what is is and there will always be trolls. That is the nature of the internet.
Will agree with 6:22 that winning/losing is part of the game both of which support development and that there is no point in trying to control the trolls.Given tenor and frequency of the posts, it seems that it was the parent who was cut, feels guilty for having negatively influenced their daughter's soccer experience and has burdened themselves with an insatiable quest to justify their actions.Blogs such as this can benefit the trolls by providing an arena to release frustrations. Unfortunately, nothing can undo their actions and the benefits tend to be short-lived. Hence why they return again and again seeking additional release. Pretty sad really but better then some of the alternatives they may be capable of.
@622 as i mentioned at u15 it should be more about development, trust me in the last 10 months we have been to SC, NC, Fl, MD, MA, WV and Albany so driving long distance is something I am aware of. You are right about the winning the girls dont care as long as they win. The difference is how they competed and what level of competition they played. As you know some times we travel far and the games can either be non-competitive or they can be really competitive. In order to develop they should be training all year round and playing to equal competition. In less then 3 years this may be over for alot of the girls if not sooner. I guess it depends on what the future holds.
Winning is a function of competition. The point is that to sacrifice development for simply winning is fools gold. Teams should be playing in an environment where they are challenged and nothing less that top performance will equal wins. The problem with the girls game is that you can win games at the highest levels with one or two outstanding performers. Do you stay on a team that wins because of this if your child is winning, but not really contributing? Winning is your child enjoying the sport and getting a chance to play it at the next level. The perfect team environment will be one in which you win a few more than you lose and are challenged the whole way.
At 904, good to see that Dr.Phill is now on the blog. You figured me out, I am the only one who ever wrote a negative post about PDA, yup, just me. Well, I better get back under the bridge, you caught me, well done, sir!
11:56 I guess the point is, why the need to keep pounding the same issues over and over again. The issues with the Pride have been well documented and it's a team that never lived up to its early promise. We get it, move on.
Wait ....did NEFC lose?
yes 2-1 to FC VA- top roster of ECNL/National league players
Good luck to our northeast representatives in Indiana this weekend at the Club Cup Nationals. FC Quickstrike and Toms River Everton.
Penn strikers to usysa nationals good luck!
That is the usysa nationals ?
Good Luck in Indiana Quickstrike and Toms River. You've been great competitors this season and we wish you well! (A Copa family)
Good luck to my daughter. You've been a great competitor this season and we wish you well.(Future USWNT family)
Really 11:13? Obviously you're trying to disparage my comments but I won't feed into whatever insecurities you might have. Yes I am a Copa parent and am very proud of our girls. At some times I have thought they are fantastic and other other times wonder what the he$% they are doing during a game. But it really has nothing to do with me. It's how the girls feel after they come off the pitch, win or lose. They know when they play well and when they play poorly. It happens to all teams. We've played Quickstrike and Everton multiple times in the past and sometimes have won and sometimes have lost. Although I wish our team was representing NJ in Indiana, I can still rise above my slight envy and wish our somewhat local teams good luck.So once again: Good luck Quickstrike and Everton.(And of course 11:13, good luck to your daughter on the USWNT....Can I get a ticket to one of her game?)
Good luck to Hershey Elite in nationals!
Any scores yet? How did FC Copa B team Leon do this morning out at Nationals.
What is the deal with Nationals and who gets to pick these teams?
Those that advanced to "nationals" played in open regional tournaments that anyone could participate in - not exactly a representation of the top teams by any stretch.
I see the soccer snobs are out - Another version of "if you are not in my exclusive club, you are not good enough." Another way to look at it is that it is an open cup so it is more representative because is an open cup and anyone can enter. No different the the NJ Cup or State Cups. It still is a National Competition and anyone going to it should be proud for competing.Are the ECNL National Finals any less valuable to teams in the ECNL because teams like the Strikers and NEFC have no way of entry even though they have shown themselves more to be more than worthy competitions?
Or won their respective US Club State Cup. Unlike USYS there are no Regionals first so it goes straight from state cup to Nationals or straight from the open tournament to Nationals.
NEFC and Strikers are good teams.The top ECNL teams are better. They play better competition on a more regular basis. Neither team would make the ECNL finals.
8:58 You miss the point of my post. A poster was essentially making a comment that the National Finals are not true Nationals. The fact is that it is a National Tournament like what ultimate cumes from the US Soccer and USYS State Cups and it is open to any one, so it is a true National Cup an a lot of fun for the kids participating whether or not it meets the level of competition for some of the soccer snobs. Whether the Strikers, NEFC or a host of other teams around the country, there are many clubs in the country that can and do consistently beat ECNL clubs and yes they do sometimes lose as well. But a competition by picking a choosing at a board level who gets to participate in a competition is less a National Championship than tournaments that are open entry.The ultimate point is rather than people coming on here and commenting on kids going out and competing and enjoying the travel of a National Cup, why not either not post or just wish the girls well instead of criticizing anything that is not the "Elite" level.
This is where US Club dropped the ball. USYSA will never get the ECNL teams in their NCS open tournament. US Club can but they need to make this the top of the pyramid by making the ECNL Champion and runner Up getting an Automatic bid plus the NPL champion getting an automatic bid. Then use their regional events to fill out the rest. US Club soccer can recreate the old European "Treble" that all teams wanted three trophies in a single season. For Us club it would have been, to bad these people have no vision, with this move they would crush USYSA as most team would want a shot at the ECNL teams (the best of the best) and the college coaches and NT scouts would go crazy. And no worries ECNL when the USSF gives you the go you don'y have to worry about players jumping ship for other options as you would still be at the top of the pyramid1. National Cup2. State Cup3. League Championship
My daughters team did not make the "Nationals", and I'm not really sure what this was all about as this is our first time, but we have friends in teams that made it to Indiana to play teams like the Pocono Elite from PA. It's really expensive to travel that far to play a local team. And what does the National cup mean anyway? Does it get you exposure to college recruiting?
National Cup is just like any other tournament. It certainly shouldn't be confused with a "National Championship". There is much greater competition at the Disney College Showcase, PDA Tournament, WAGS, etc. Calling this "Nationals" is really a stretch.
Agree completely with 8:15- this is just an open tournament that anyone could enter. "National" is a bit deceiving when you look at the teams competing, specifically the u15- primarily teams from PA and NJ- why travel to play teams in your backyard?
disclaimer , my child did not play in any of the national events. They are fun for those that do, and the bigger the league, the more credibility I guess, but I prefer rest from games at this time. Most have had long seasons and now is the time to really work on touches before the HS season starts and bad habits can set in.
High school is a generator of bad habits
Nothing any bozos on this blog say, can take away from some great groups of girls who battled through some grueling Us Club Cup tournaments to become their respective US Club Cup State Champions. And nothing can change the experiences that these 15 year old girls had ,going to Indiana to play in their National Tournament. Cmon folks. Lets not sit here and try to degrade that accomplishment or make it out to be some footnote tournament. I was looking at the Bio of a top recruit freshman at a D1 school while signing up my daughter for a camp. And the very first line of that Bio said 2014 US Club Cup State Championship. Runner ups at US Club Cup National Tournament. You cant just be in it. You have to win your way in. And for the rest of their lives they will remember the summer that they were State Champs and went to the Nationals. No matter what goes on in this small minded blog.
Hey 4:29, can you tell me what state champ from NJ or PA played in the Mid-Atlantic Regional that then advanced to Nat'l ?
4:45 The Penn Strikers will be competing in a National Championship this week. And by the way, this is a Region 1 blog, not just NJ and PA. Why the need to have to try to diminish the accomplishments of girls competing at whatever level. If the kids are playing at the right level and they are competing then more power to them. Your soccer snobbery is coming through loud and clear.
I think the point is just that the US Club soccer format for a nationals seems a bit flawed. Winning a state cup is certainly a nice accomplishment in of itself but shouldn't a team then have to go to Regionals and win that before being able to go to nationals. Also many of the teams did not even win their state cup but got straight into nationals from winning a tournament such as the Mid-Atlantic. As merely an example YMS Pride lost the PAE state cup in the semis but then got a second chance by signing up for the Mid-Atlantic tournament and won and then got straight into nationals. Not a commentary one way another on YMS but just merely an example of one of the flaws in the US Club format. Penn Strikers are going to USYSA Nationals and that is after winning PAE state cup and then Region I.
The girls didnt choose the format. They played the games, won the games and moved on as the format took them. If you win your state tournament you represent your state in the National Tournament. If you dont then you must go the round about way which is also difficult. Are you going to try and cheapen these girls accomplishments with what is essentially your opinion? Remember what momma told you about opinions. And anyone can buy a super star team and run through any tournament they want and call themselves Champs. That is the easy way. Theres my stinky opinion for you.
9:00 Exactly! Every system has flaws. Some times it comes down to the luck of the draw. Why not just applaud the girls for playing and competing. Nobody here is saying if you go to the US CLub Nationals that you are the best team in the Country, but what it says is that the team had the strength to get through multiple competitions well. It is ridiculous how people stretch to try to diminish the accomplishment.By 7:22's view, let's do away with NCAA basketball championships where teams can lose their division and still get a bid, and WIldCard in football no team that didn't win their division shouldn't be in the playoffs right. What is wrong with a second chance for a team? Some times one state has 2 equally deserving teams where unfortunately one team had to lose. Those 2 teams may well be better than many other State Champions. In the NCAA they allow non-division winner bids because they want the best teams, the NFL has wild cards because some times you have years where the Wild Cards from one division are better than the divisional winners and deserve a spot. Get over it, it doesn't impact your protected little bubble.
7:22 YMS lost the new PA US Club State Cup? or did they lose in the EPYSA NCS Cup?Big difference. USYSA and US Club don't recognize each other.I do agree that and Regional should not be an open event. If you make the ECNL champ and NPL champs play in this tournament and market it as the top of the food chain - you know if you "build it they will come" you would have a top event.PS. I would never try and put anything down. While I agree the Regionals shouldn't be open. It is how they qualify teams for their National event. Question when you guys talk up Jefferson and Wags aren't those Showcase events at the older ages-why would anyone be playing to win those games -"showcase" is for the players not the coaches/team. Some of us have our priorities in the wrong place. Leagues are for titles, state cups are for titles, regionals and nationals are for titles - not tournaments that should be used as friendlies at the younger ages and showcase events at the older ages. But we all know how we all love our rankings - YES you go to these tournaments to win since the game is played to win - but you don't shorten a roster/bench to win - you let the kids play and let the chips fall where they fall since the coaches are their to watch them play and they could careless who wins.
No one is trying to disparage any team or players, competition is always a good thing and one can spend one's money in any way they want. I'm just puzzled as we have friends in an NJ team that traveled to Greensboro, North Carolina to compete in the Nat'l Cup Southeast Regional. They won their division by beating 3 very low ranked teams from the area, then traveled to Indiana to compete in the Nationals. Seems like a lot of time and effort but if you and your kid is having fun, then that's awesome.
10:18 "No one is trying to disparage any team or Players" but it's "puzzling" to you. That is your passive aggressive way of of disparaging other teams while trying to sound nice. Stop the elitism, the only thing sensible you said is about a kid having fun. Even if it's not your type of thing, anyone who has seen kids travel and compete in a 2-3 day tournament knows that it can be great for a team. Why do teams go to the Jeff Cup at a 4th or 5th bracket down, most do it for the competitive experience and team bonding.This is as passive aggressive as it gets "Seems like a lot of time and effort but if you and your kid is having fun, then that's awesome." Translated into what you really wanted to say. "I think your ridiculous for traveling to North Carolina for a low-level tournament, hey but if you want to waste your time and effort go for it... oh yeah maybe it will be a good experience for the kids." Please get over your elitism.
For the record,coaches get paid to win. Its that simple. coaches will enter events so they can win. The parents will go along as long as they do win. This dynamic drives the game. Development is very low on the list. Coaches are considered developers IF they win. Lets be honest, If the parents go along with it and the kids are happy, who are we to judge?What we can do is judge the overall quality of these events.Some of these events are not high quality, but it is what is is. There is demand from families so the supply is there.Good luck to all, not every kid wants to be a star in the ACC. Enjoy these times while they last. They grow up fast and so do we. Pretty soon we will be drooling and the kids will be long gone.Love and cherish the good times.
I think there is a point of diminishing returns when attending tournaments. Some clubs enter as many tournaments they can to harvest those GotSoccer points. Jeff Cup is good as it is reasonably driveable, but NC or IN? The Jeff Cup has good competition at all levels with teams that you don't usually play. This National Cup does not seem worth it and this is coming from some of the dads I hang out with.
I don't understand why anyone is being called out for eliticism when commenting on the us club nationals. It's not really a nationals imo when you aren't playing top level teams to get there. It just isn't. Not that it isn't a good accomplishment and deserves some nice praise but to call the winner a national champion is just misleading. Those outside the soccer world may be impressed but those involved in soccer understand the difference.And for those that argue ecnl vs national league, you cannot just simply say those teams in the top level of the national league couldn't compete with the top teams in the ecnl bc it just isn't true. One look at common opponents will show that on any given day it's very possible for the best from each league to be competitive against each other.
S/He probably thinks the poster questioning Nationals has a kid that plays in ECNL or NPL
No one outside the soccer world know or cares who wins the various youth soccer titles.
Nope only the parents do and the coaches use them as resume builders.
It's not elitism questioning why US Club Soccer calls it Nationals, actuall the National Cup, who really cares what they call the tournament. What is elitism is questioning why people would essentially waste their time going to North Carolina for such a tournament. I think the term was "puzzled" as to why someone would want to travel to NC and Indiana. We all get it, no one believes that the winner of the Nationals is the best team in the Country. So US Club Soccer offers an ECNL title, and NPL title, and US National Cup title for anyone else who want to compete. Instead of being puzzled, why not just be happy that US Club Soccer offers National experiences for girls at different levels of Youth soccer.Yes, perhaps the Parents and Coaches care about who wins the various titles, the players do.
Why is it irritating that a team like the "Hershey Elite" extolls itself as "regional champion" going to "nationals" when they win the second flight of the "national cup" regionals? They and other similar teams also made similar boasts when they won the state presidents cup. Is it because we feel that they are claiming a title unearned? Is there some sort of sense of injustice in their claims' false advertising? Do we take offense in our belief that they are deceiving themselves and others as possibly a way to falsely enhance their coach's reputation? Do their claims somehow diminish our children's "real" accomplishments? A study in sociology.
8:43 They are not fooling anyone, but why not get over it. I have seen a lot of teams even from "elite" programs tout that they have won tournaments. Teams don't say I won the Jeff Cup 5th bracket down, they say they won the Jeff Cup. Anyone can go on Got Soccer and various other websites and see a team's history.Does anyone really believe that Hershey Elite is in the top 10 or 20 in the region, no.This is what the Hershey's website says The Hershey Elite U15 Girls competed at the US Club Mid-Atlantic Regional held in Somerset, NJ last weekend.The girls went 4-0 beating:STA Morris United NPL 3-0WWPSA Mercer FC Magic 3-2Aventura 2-0NJ Wildcats Troutman NPL 4-1This weekend the girls will be competing in the top bracket of the PA Classics Mid-Atlantic Cup in preparation to traveling to Indianapolis next week for Nationals! Well done girls and good luck!and it also says they were the 2014 President Cup Champions.It seems like an accurate assessment to me. Get over it. Other teams have done far worse.
Well they weren't the "Presidents cup champions" to start out with. They clearly are not making accurate assessments. They won the EPYSA presidents cup and then didn't advance further. Their parents probably don't even know the difference between the NCS and presidents cup. Second the issue is calling the second flight of a second rate tournament "nationals". Not even sure one can, with a straight face, call what FC Penn is doing in Tulsa even given the hundreds of teams that competed in the event, "nationals" anymore. Tied TopHat today to advance. That is a great accomplishment. As an aside, will be interesting to see how Tophat does in the ECNL this year.Hershey is infamous for their false claims. Came on here last year calling themselves PA state cup champions.
Holy Yawn BatmanDCShore
Do you really care what Hershey does with their marketing? Makes no difference for 99.9% at this point, most people on this site know who are the more competitive teams at this point. Will Hershey ever have an effect on your team?
Well actually they are damaging teams and players are coming and going. Not good for central PA soccer.
You should take your axe and go grind it with the coach. Sorry things didn't work out for you there. Hershey Elite is not the first play where people get cut and kids leave and then someone complains how bad it is for soccer.
No star for YMS- you know what they say about karma.
No nat'l championship for the club with only one egg in the Premier level basket. Stinks for the girls but for others, you reap what you sow.
We seem to have all but forgotten that the 15's did not succeed in winning a national championship.
Watched some of the games on the USYSA network. http://championships.usyouthsoccer.org/live/Some of the best players on Legends and La Roca- Olivia Wade number 10 La Roca is really great. I thought she was the best quality player on the field. TopHat's superstar was pretty quiet. Our region 1 Strikers don't seem to have a special player and the rest weren't quite good enough collectively to push it over the bar. They lost the midfield battles more often than not. I thought their midfield was stronger when I have seen them in the past. I think they may have some injuries weakening them. There is a roster freeze in effect for the finals. Did they pick up a special player during the tryout season? Did they make the adds to bring the collective level up to the national challenge? There were kids on the bench in yellow pinnies with alternate uniforms on. Suggests that maybe they have some new players.The Strikers have the best chance in region 1 next year to bring it again since the rumor is that FC VA won't be participating in USYSA programs with their A teams. They did not bring the A team to regionals instead sending them to Seattle. They may play their A team in the national league next year. If they finish top 2 they will go to nationals. Will be interesting to see how that unfolds.Top Hat out of USYSA next year to ECNL. They definitely struggled without their really strong center mid pulling the strings. Will be very interesting to see how they fare in the ECNL. Might answer some questions regarding the relative strength of the ECNL versus USYSA.
YMS Xplosion U16s may not have won the National Championship (again), but according to the YMS website, the "YMS Pride" made it to the Final of National Cup in Indiana recently.What confuses me is that no where on any of the National Cup websites does it ever mention "YMS Pride". All I keep on seeing is Arsenal FC of PA. Did they merge or something?
Arsenal fc is a paw team Pittsburgh area
YMS Applied to the tournament and then lost it's players, Arsenal took their spot with the remaining YMS players going along. Can't imagine a cross-state merger making sense or working out but crazier things have happened. YMS Pride is depleted and Arsenal FC is also losing players to Riverhounds. If the only option is to merge then I guess that's what will happen. Can't imagine YMS agreeing to do this and losing their name/brand. Egos involved way too big - in addition to the fact that there would be two head coaches, two assistants, two mgrs, etc.
"YMS Pride" no longer exists. More than half the team went to Patriot FC, the rest merged with the existing Arsenal team from PA-W.
Look who got the points for that tournament- Arsenal, not YMS Pride. Another premier team done at YMS - Pride no longer exists.
This is what happened to word classFC 99 when half the tea and the coach went to albertson. They beceme 2 average teams when they split and they were really great. Usysa loses another decent team. Gk to PDA. Ate others looking to ecnl? I know bucks lost their superstar national player to PDA and I heard another. There are probably some openings there. Last year for D1 recruiting.
@ 723 Would love to know who your child plays for, but WCFC are far from average. They had a winning record vs all the top teams this year except FC Stars. That includes PDA. They have some really top tier players. You cannot compare the two situations at all
They are a shadow of their former selves. They still have RJ who keeps them competitive, but they are nothing like the previous team that truly was one of the dominant teams in the country. The Northeast was very level on talent. WCFC tied last place Penn Fusion 2-2. No team was world beater including PDA and FC Stars. Wotness their champions league results
WC were great at u10 thru u12.
They remained dominant through u14
Congrats to the two NJ players attending the u16 camp @ Chula Vista this weekend !
So the Pride players guest played for Arsenal FC at the US Club National Cup? Or did they actually merge to form a new team? If Arsenal is getting the points, it would seem as though the YMS Pride has essentially folded. From what others have written and taken with a grain of salt, that leaves YMS with only 1 premier team on the entire girls side?As for a merger, I can't imagine this benefits the the former Pride players or families at all. Pittsburgh and YMS are on opposite sides of the state which hinders any type of consistent team training or evaluation by coaches. Not to mention the burden it's going to put on families with all that traveling.
9:12- that appears to be the case and agree. I guess they feel it was their best option, pretty much telling the other YMS U15 teams that their players aren't good enough or developed enough to compete at the Premier level which is contrary to what they preach. Such a shame what happened, the Pride team was very good and getting better- all destroyed. You don't cross those in charge or dare step outside the "YMS Way" despite the fact that there were wins, player development, and overall improvement. The girls all lost in this.
Two young ladies from NJ included in US U-16 Team:http://www.ussoccer.com/stories/2015/07/29/15/07/150729-u16gnt-august-otc-campCHICAGO (June 29, 2015) – The Under-16 Girls’ National Team will hold a training camp from Aug. 1-9 at the Olympic Training Center in Chula Vista, California, that will feature 24 players.This will be the third camp of the year for the U-16 GNT, which features 21 players born in 2000 and three born in 2001.The U-16 camp will be run by Women’s Development Coach Tricia Taliaferro, who is U.S. Soccer’s main scout for the ’00 birth year. All of the players in this camp are age-eligible for the next FIFA U-17 Women’s World Cup in 2016, but the main birth year for that tournament is 1999.This age group is in a two-year cycle that will graduate the players to the U-18 and then the U-20 WNT with the goal of playing in the 2020 FIFA Under-20 Women’s World Cup.U.S. U-16 GNT Roster by Position:GOALKEEPERS (3): Katherine Asman (Tophat SC; Roswell, Ga.), Hensley Hancuff (Oklahoma FC; Edmond, Okla.), Katie Meyer (Eagles SC; Newbury Park, Calif.)DEFENDERS (7): Maycee Bell (Sporting FC Blue Valley; Wichita, Kans.), Emily Crocco (Richmond United; Midlothian, Va.), Margot Ridgeway (Match Fit Academy; Fair Haven, N.J.), Skylar Smith (SoCal Blues; Coto de Caza, Calif.), Julietta Thron (Albertson Fury; Caldwell, N.J.), Madeline Vergura (FC Stars of Mass.; Concord, Mass.), Kennedy Wesley (SoCal Blues; Rossmoor, Calif.)MIDFIELDERS (7): Ravin Alexander (Ohio Elite; Fairfield, Ohio), Corianna Dyke (Colorado Rush; Littleton, Colo.), Sierra Enge (Carlsbad Elite; Cardiff, Calif.), Brianna Martinez (New Mexico Rush; Albuquerque, N.M.), Kylie Minamishin (Honolulu Bulls; Mililani, Hawaii), Ashlynn Serepca (Carolina Rapids; Cornelius, N.C.), Kali Trevithick (Crossfire Premier; Sammamish, Wash.)FORWARDS (7): Croix Bethune (Concorde Fire; Alpharetta, Ga.), Lia Godfrey (Oklahoma FC; Edmond, Okla.), Sophie Hirst (Crossfire Premier; Seattle, Wash.), Nohemi Mendoza (Heat FC; Las Vegas, Nev.), Allison Schlegel (Colorado Storm; Parker, Colo.), Sophia Smith (Real Colorado; Fort Collins, Colo.), Brooke Wilson (San Diego Surf; Vista, Calif.)
Hmmm but one NJ girl off...
@1043 Don't know what you mean. These camps are to get a look at kids. Don't think they look at the way you do. Big pool of kids 80+. They cant all go to camp every time.
Quite likely that 10:43's daughter is not attending a US National camp, does that deserve a Hmmm. You know what they say, "Those that can, do. Those that can't criticize"
Is Beachwood breaking up? Three of their players went to PDA Shore and one to toms River Everton. Its a shame very good team!
No disrespect but, Beachwood is not a very good team, they compete well at the lower level and that's about it. The team will never get invited to any of the major tournaments on the East Coast. Girls who left will get a chance to play at a higher level and also experience the competition at some of these high level tournaments, it remains to be seen if they will be able to compete at that level. The grass isn't always greener on the other side. The Brentwood coach is very animated and doesn't teach good soccer, typical Daddy coach. Good luck to girls moving on to new teams.
Where are all the PDA players on the U 16 team??
They are at the NIke national training event
They were at the Nike camp 8/1 is the travel day.
Oh yes, two PDA girls at national camps out of 5 teams. Money well spent.
There will be more camps. Don't understand the negativity towards PDA. The top players in this age group are in the U-17 pool with a World Cup on the horizon. No shame in being a National Pool player and no shame in not going to every camp.
check out this roster!! The longest roster I have even seen!!! LOL http://home.gotsoccer.com/rankings/team.aspx?teamid=354894
Wait until his daughter does not play much at PDA and see how animated he gets. Oi vey!
Whose daughter? Which PDA team A, B, C, D, or E LOL!!
Those who can, do, those who can't, criticize
FYI my daughter played at the highest level and she was not on the C or D team but on the A top team and received only 1/3 of her college tuition so if you are in in for the Scholarship money is not worth your time. WE did a lot such as travel all over the country and go to the highest tournaments. So i have earned the right to critique someone who is on a C or D team. Got it!!
What do you think about a team mgr altering tournament rosters retroactively, removing girls who actually played in the tournaments, in an effort to try and keep team points from transferring? A bit slimy, no?
I think i know what team you are talking about. They seem to have jumped from 25th ranked to top 10. Wow!! That's low
So wait,a team manager went into the team roster and changed it after a tournament was over all for the sake of got soccer points? Can you say GET A LIFE??!! Is this the YMS team that had a bunch of players leave or is this a different team. Either way sounds like those players were smart in getting away from a deceptive cheat like that!
and doing this achieves what ?
Unfortunately these types of tactics are encouraged and supported along the river in PA. Erasing the past prevents points from moving with the bulk of the starters that left. It's a shame that the girls who earned these points have to fight for them. Sad
Does his name happen to rhyme with Bob Shitlock?
Maybe your daughter should have studied harder and got the grades to get the other 2/3 of the tuition. Thats where the money is earned. In the classroom. The pitch is just gravy. just sayin.
The whole YMS thing is indeed sad and there is no justifying what has been reported to have happened with the gotsoccer points. But the fact that the "starters" repeatably come on this blog and attack their previous team/club says a lot about their character.What good can possible come of it?Most will understand and support a parents decision to independently leave a team/club thinking it is in the best interest of their daughter but there is no justification for any attempt to cause harm to what other parents may believe is in the best of their daughters.Remember it was your decision to leave, accept it as the right decision, stop living in the past and make the best of the opportunities ahead of you.There is more shame in the actions of the "starters" then that of the manager.
11:00 pmIt is indeed a sad situation. However I don't know that the YMS players that left are actually airing out what has transpired between them and YMS here on this blog. If you were completely informed of all that those players have endured you would certainly understand any "bashing" or ill will they may feel towards YMS and the individuals representing that club. I assure you that they can hold their heads up high on here and in public has having integrity and a strong moral compass and I can also assure that cannot be said by this team manager and certain YMS infividuals.This blog is filled with some pretty terrible things being said about so many teams and clubs and even individual players, I am surprised that you could even question the character of those individuals that left YMS. Any bits of information on here that give small insights into what they have endured have only been a small portion of what is written on here on a daily basis about others
Unfortunately, this type of thing is an epidemic in youth sports. People who volunteer for "Boards" or to be the "Team Manager" often do so for selfish reasons and power, rather than to help the club or help the team. Many Team Managers are parents of marginal players, who try to make themselves indispensable, ensuring that their kid is guaranteed a roster spot year after year. When things don't go their way, they take their ball and go home. And while they're at it, they might as well wreak as much havoc for everyone else in their path. It's truly a shame for those affected, but a life lesson nonetheless. These kids will run across plenty of these types of unethical characters throughout their lifetimes. Hopefully for them, karma is a real thing, and will restore the balance.
Seems to me that everyone should move on from this YMS Pride mess. Adults made bad decisions and egos and power trips have destroyed a very good team with very good players. Here's hoping that lessons are learned. YMS should accept the fact that they drove away some very good players and destroyed another team in their Premier program. Allow those that left to be free and do what is right as opposed to creating unnecessary barriers, obstacles and pettiness. Accept that people stood up to your tactics and were strong enough to do something about it. Parents who left, look forward. Time to get ready for u16 season.
There are those that "volunteer" truly because they want to help out and make a difference. Thank you for all that you do. Then there are those that "volunteer" with alterior motives. Often times, you will see the latter being parents of lessor players and/or in the hip pocket of the coach or club leadership. I understand why you do what you do but don't do it to the detriment of others.
The issue at hand is not what YMS did or did not do but rather the use of this blog by some to exact some sort of revenge.The repeated attempts to bring about harm to their previous club/team clearly demonstrates the character of some but not necessarily all of the "starters". The fact that this blog contains similar posts about other clubs, teams and individuals should not be mistaken as an endorsement of the same. They are all equally shameful.There is no integrity to posts encouraging the folding of a team, inciting the end to a club's program, celebrating the misfortune of other teams from within the club, professing sibling retaliation, attacking club volunteers, etc. To be fair, there is something very wrong with those who participate in this type of behavior. They are sick, likely emotionally disturbed and perhaps a bit insane.
If the team is currently in existence than GS points should not transfer even if half the team leaves to create or join another team. The GS points were rewarded to the team/coach so to carry those points with the players that leave is truly wrong. Now if the team dis-banded and majority of the team 50% per GS moved to a new club then GS points should transfer. Read the GS rules about points transferring.
10:56 am. Your post is insanely funny. Thank you for my morning giggle!!If you don't like pretty much 90% of this blog then you are free to not read it however because you are here and you are reading posts by people you have deemed to be not worthy of your superior quality of character I ask you, who is actually the one insane?Have a great day! We will miss you on this blog :-)
11:19 I agree with you on the points. The only way I believe the points should transfer is if the YMS team is no longer a team. If the players that stayed with YMS now become part of the Pittsburgh team then that becomes a different issue. Then I do believe the points go with the majority of the players who earned them. I don't really understand the concern about the points though. If this new team is as good as they should be then they will earn their own resume quickly enough to not need anything from the YMS club. The only thing I think is concerning is the interference the YMS club has had in trying to block all efforts of these players to leave the club. That is odd to me. Teams break up often so why are they making such a big stink about it right now? For the points...that's silly. Personally I think gotsoccer should tell them both. No points for either of you! You both need to start fresh!
11:19 you appear to have all of the answers but you seem to be mistaken on the GS rules. Before professing to be the expert and referring folks to the rules, you should know them yourself. 3) My team has recently split up and two team were formed from the players. Who gets to keep the points? We award those points to the team that meets the following requirements:Their current roster has at least 50% of the players from the team in questionThe players from the team that has split up make up at least 50% of their current rosterORTheir current roster has at least 60% of the players.If there's a very close split we will also take into consideration when the players were added to the previous roster and how that relates to the points in question. For example, if a few players who are now contributing to the current roster were added to the previous one in May, but all the points accumulated were from events held earlier in the season, we will not consider them as part of the roster when making the decision.The coach is not considered a player. The coach is only taken into consideration in the event of an even split, with both teams having 50% of the original players. The points would go with the team that also kept the coach. If the coach is no longer with either team then neither of the teams will receive the history. If no team is eligible for points then neither team will keep the points.
I think 1119 is just making a point if the coach and some players are still in existence with the club that attributed to the points it's there's to keep. If the team split into two and are not longer with the club and are with 2 different clubs then no points to either. Does it really matter anyway they are U16 there playing days of chasing points are almost over let them enjoy high school and there final years. Everyone should just move on and stop the chest pounding about points.Not for all for not being a ECNl club YMS has done a good job on keeping competitive at least for most of there teams.
12:07 I agree with everything you say about the points. The only thing I disagree with is the club part. YMS actually does a great job in training players at the younger ages but seems to have a big problem when they reach the competitive level. They don't have a history of strong teams. In fact there only two highly successful teams are the two teams coached by the same coach. Beyond that the teams are mid level teams. That's surprising to me. Why is it that the club can train well, have one or two successful teams (only coached by one person) and that's it? I find that odd. One could argue that a club as large as it is should be doing a much better job at the competitive level. As far as this YMS drama in here. I'm getting tired of hearing it
Enough of the YMS talk they are done let's move on the shady, corrupt way of how it all went down and handle in GS can never be undone. Let's talk about how PDA doesn't even care about GS points but everyone knows they are tops in the country, how is that without GS points.
Pretty Darn Arrogant
Regardless of how you feel about Got Soccer points, rankings and history, the fact of the matter is that top tournaments use those for acceptance and placement. At U16, there's not a hell of a lot of time to build up a history. So, yeah, it's kind of a big deal.
Whether you think it arrogant or choose to be ignorant, Gotsoccer points are becoming increasingly irrelevant at the highest levels of youth soccer. The USDA doesn't use them and, for the most part, the ECNL is moving away from them as well.For new teams such as that which the YMS players are looking to form, Gotsoccer points, ranking and history could be very beneficial in gaining acceptance into some of the top tournaments and leagues for the 2015/16 season.It appears as if this new team has fallen short of meeting the 50% roster requirement necessary to be awarded the points.In retrospect, leaving a club in hopes of finding new players and risking potential recruiting opportunities that would otherwise be afforded to a group of talented U16 girls seems rather uncalculated or perhaps just misguided.
The P retty D arn A rrogant was obviously a shot at PDA
The players who left do have the required amount for the got soccer points. Last time I checked 9 out of 16 is a majority :)
How perceptive 553! You must be a PDA parent?!
5:34 Your reference to the UDSA, must be because they treat players like pieces of meat.
LOL - Yes, the second "S" in USSDA was deliberately omitted to provide you with an opportunity to make exactly that comparison.
Most unfortunate that you transposed the "S" and "D" in USDA essentially missing out on making it REALLY funny :)
This GS points argument shows how well the ECNL works. No need to worry about GS points or getting into the top flight at major tournaments.
Even funnier is that the Pretty Darn Arrogant post was a shot at those who believe starting a new team is the solution to their problems.
8:42 am.... And funnier still is that you must be one of those bitter YMS parents causing trouble because anyone else wouldn't care what those parents did leaving the team. Now please take the YMS drama somewhere else. We are all tired of hearing about it.
It's OK for the "starters" to direct negative comments towards their old club/team but when the table is turned its tiresome drama that should go away - you hypocrite!!!
NP and remember there is no such thing as bad publicity.
11:34: Just an FYI, I am not affiliated with the YMS team or the team the "starters" left to go to, all I know is what I read on here and I am getting really tired of the back and forth on this blog.I am not sure all of you geniuses realize that there are other teams that play soccer and not all of us give a rat's $$$ about what happened on your team.Here is my summary based on what I've read on here:YMS TEAM BROKE UP- GET OVER IT AND MOVE ON! STOP using this forum for your drama. Yes, it sounds like YMS behaved horribly, YES, leaving to form a new team might NOT have been the best decision and probably short sighted based on the timing. BUT NO ONE HERE TRULY CARES.You are all basically like a train wreck. We will watch and see what happens but no one wants to truly be involved in your clean up.Here's the deal, I hope NO ONE gets to keep your points on got soccer. I hope you BOTH have to start over and deal with the consequences. I think BOTH sides have behaved like children. I am sure there is more to the story than what is being posted here. But I really don't think this is the right place to air out your grievances. This is YOUTH SOCCER.
Amen! So who are the top three teams to beat at u16?
Okay we got it we will drop the drama! lol Good luck to all..
Well for what it's worth. I feel bad for the players that left yms bc its gotta suck having to go and make the decision to leave and have to fight with their former team constantly. I know they made the decision to leave and break up a team but....I don't get the nastiness they have been receiving either. Sadly it's a lesson learned.....certain organizations can do just about anything here in youth soccer and it's really not about the players. Not surprising but still sadNow as far as the top three u16 teams..is this region one top three or overall??
NEFCPENN STRIKERS GUNNERSFC VIRGINIA STARS OF MASSMATCH FIT ECNLSYRACUSE DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY ARSENAL FC (PAW)I would consider these teams top teams in Region 1, There are quality teams besides those but would be considered second tier. I may have left a team or two out but not considering Gotsoccer Points, teams listed above are consistently good against teams across the country. Please don't mention Coppa,Breakers,TR,Pride,SDFC in the same breath as teams mentioned, they are good locally and that's not taking any shots at them but, that's the truth. Let's debate!
World Class beat Matchfit 5-2 and 4-0 and the games were not that close. Went 2-1 vs PDA this year. I don't think you can leave them out of any discussion.
Are we talking real regular teams, or bought and paid for super teams. Not taking any shots at them, but thats the truth. Lets debate!
I did say I may have left a team or two out, you are correct about WC. You can call them what you want, as kids get older and the cream rises to the top, kids move on to more competitive teams. I didn't knock the second tier teams but, they are what they are at this point and that is fine. Copa has a big cost, Breakers have a big cost, TR is low and they do very well locally. None of those teams compete on a National level or do well at major tournaments. Nothing wrong with that but I was just stating top teams in Region, there is a level for all teams. The question was top 3 teams, I just listed a few more.
WC also tied Penn Fusion. More inconsistent than the top teams. They are 100% dependent on their striker. Will be interesting to see how they do this year when teams man mark her with a fast centerback
Ok then. How about we rate the top strata teams and have a complete different column for the town and or lower strata teams. Lets debate!
@848 100pct dependent? Not at all. If WC play their best XI they are as good as any team you mention. The other teams may be a bit deeper, but you cannot tell me a team that lost to WC twice by those margins is better.
Wonder how many kids you can find who can man mark and have speed? And do you think that teams have not tried that already? Will be more interesting to see if WC add a few more players.They could gate crash your party in a big way.
You must be the parent of the striker .
SDFC just made NL so lets see how they compete nationally.
Under-16 Girls SAC United Premier Maryland Region ISDFC Panthera New Jersey Region IFC Penn Strikers Eastern Pennsylvania Region IMidwest United FC 00 Royal Michigan Region IICUP Gold 99/00 Ohio - South Region IIFCKC Pink Panthers Elite Missouri Region IICleveland FC Ohio - North Region IITennessee SC 18 Tennessee Region IIIUnited FA 00 Premier Georgia Region IIISolar Chelsea Elite 00 Texas - North Region IIILA Galaxy SB Elite California - South Region IVSparta 00 Premier KL Utah Region IVAlbion SC White California - South Region IVLa Roca Premier PO Utah Region IVLegends 99 California - South Region IVCarlsbad Elite 99 California - South Region IV
No. My kid has played for WC for years.
My guess is SDFC will struggle in National League, they had trouble @ Region 1 Championship and couldn't make it to final four. I take my hat off to the team for taking the route they are taking and ultimately competing against very good competition. It will only make them better when it's all said and done. There are some very good teams in National League, teams from out West are legitimate. Good Luck to all!
That is a testament to the poor quality of the national league The Strikers are an excellent team. But they will not see much competition except for the region 4 teams. It is a shame that there are no "at large" spots in the ECNL. I personally think they should take 1 per division. If they could play ECNL then they would see more consistent competition. Even Penn Fusion played the top ECNL teams tough this year. There was much more consistent competition just in the 2.5 region 1 area divisions of the ECNL compared to the National League in total.
I also think it doesn't matter if SDFC struggles, as long as they compete they will do well. They exposure they will get competing at National League events will out weigh anything else.
Blame that on the ECNL, it's structured to protect there teams from falling to Non ECNL teams in a league environment. There are several ECNL teams that are 2nd and 3rd tier teams, there are several Non ECNL teams that would compete at the top if several ECNL divisions and make for better competition across the board but that will never happen. Can't knock National League, if you look at National Championship final 8 in this age group, those teams would compete against the best ECNL teams out there. At the end of the day, it's about College exposure at this point so it really doesn't matter, wish they would get it right for the future of competitive youth soccer. It's a little to late for this age group.
Looks like Europa took a hit at try-outs. Both keepers and 2 of their best field players gone. The call of the ECNL and Strikers Free model beating down the local USYSA clubs. In addition to the top keeper and a strong field player from Europa, 2 Strikers are listed on the Penn Fusion ECNL page. One was one of the Strikers top players, but has a twin on the Penn Fusion team. Don't think that one starter's change to ECNL means that Strikers are fleeing to ECNL for lack of competition/exposure. These three should make an impact on the Penn Fusion team. Probably get them out of the basement, but not to Champions League. Dropping the U17 national player down to age would definitely change the game, but that won't happen. The Europa midfielder will fill the shoes of the one who left and the Strikers should remain the best team in PA Especially after the Bucks player's leaving for NJ/PDA. PDA got a lot stronger with the addition of the U16 NT player. They needed a creative midfielder on that roster. They will probably top the division. Matchfit, like WC, is largely dependent on their top of the age chart 2017 grad striker. I am guessing that WC has figured out how to mark her out of the game. Who did WC pick up?
Only the top 4 national league teams would compete well in the ECNL. Even Penn Fusion beat a champions league team or 2 at PDA with a couple of their new kids playing. The ECNL is getting more and more consistent as kids move from USYSA to ECNL. FC VA was the only ECNL team that regularly met USYSA competition and won everything. Only reason they didn't go to nationals instead of FC Penn was that they sent the B team to West Va while the A team played in Seattle and went 2-1. That decision tells you which league is more competitive and a better opportunity. The Panthera inclusion in the national League is telling as to the overall level. Tophat is ECNL so the only quality teams come out of Region IV and FC Penn. Region 4 should get additional spots its that unbalanced.
I'm not so sure that too many Region 1 teams applied for NL, based on who's there. SDFC is good, but I wouldn't consider them at the same level as, FC Penn or most of the Region IV teams. SAC from Maryland is pretty average, so there must not have been a lot of entries. I've seen most of the Region IV teams, and they are consistent, and are very sound.As far as the National League, I'm not sure what you gain from that, since their only events are CASL and Disney (or LV), which most of the other top teams will be at anyway.
Thoughts on NPL and the level of play there?
10:02AM - I would really hope Penn Fusion can get out of the basement. No reason for them not to finish at least ahead of Continental. All other age groups doing much better. Director of coaching left the team after last season. Finishing last in their conference means they probably will get placed against weaker ECNL competition at the showcase events.
Yes I am sure that failure bothers him. That team headed down hill last year fast under his watch. I heard they added 5-6 players most of whom should start. At least 3 former FC PA kids. I know one is a stud. Also a few quality players from Europa and the PA state and region 1 ODP team. 6 new starters is pretty much a new team. Also a national pool u15 played up at Seattle and PDA. They were respectable by late spring at PDA where they beat a champions league team. They won't let that team struggle like that again ; heard the new coach is well respected. Also a question of what's up with bucks after they lost a couple impact players.
Bucks lost 2 to pda (national star and goalie) and 1 main scorer to match fit. As far as I know they only gained 2 average players. Could have some trouble this year
That sounds like Bucks is in trouble. What's up with Continental? I know they got a couple adds from Europa and YMS in the middle of the year. Any new players to make a difference? They seemed like the most improved PA ECNL team While Match Fit was much improved in NJ. NY was interesting because of WCFC nose dive. Alby despite their WC adds were close to the same. EM got some new kids from LI town teams who are solid and will likely up the EM level. Bethesda has really declined since the younger ages. McLean is looking to challenge FC VA. Breakers are pathetic and Stars are overrated. CFC is getting better and FSA is up and comingWith YMS divided and Europa gutted who will challenge Strikers in region 1? NEFC beat them up at PDA. They will likely see each other on occasion in tournaments. I actually think the national league hurts the Strikers. Save the couple games against the region 4 teams they will meet weak competition. They would have seen more consistent competition in the top bracket at Disney and CASL. CASL will be full of ECNL teams and would have liked to have seen what Strikers do against them.NPL is generally weak with the notable exception of NEFCMost of the ECNL B teams are pretty bad. The bubble players that can't make the ECNL team won't stay and play NPL. PDA is a little different. There are some good players mixed in on their secondary teams. But most bubble ECNL players will go to teams like Europa just a bit of a level down. Of course the solar Chelsea b team is in the national league. Hard to argue USYSA isn't now the JV league.If Penn Fusion added 6 where did the cut players go or are they carrying one of those ECNL huge rosters? Europa seems to get some of the PF bubble players. Big rosters create team chemistry issues no matter what the bubble players were told at tryouts. Some might quit and shore up some of the weakened USYSA teams like Europa and YMS, but the overall level of these teams is declining as kids look to the ECNl. This was the last year for big changes.
And also regarding bucks, 1 non starter left for patriot fc.
Strikers will play FC Stars at WAGS. Will be in top bracket at Bethesda and Jeff Cup in addition to National League games at CASL and Disney. The competition will be fine. Sounds like some are a little obsessed with that team. Enough competition to go around for everyone. Stikers get some of the best training in the country and that is what it is really all about. Developing young athletes for the next level.
If the training is so great why are they cutting kids who have played with the team for 3 years to replace with kids coming from teams supposedly inferior training. The training is probably great but just as good can be found at many teams. A little sensitive? Their model is unique and will invite scrutiny. It is clear that they don't have all of the best players in the area when they once cornered the market on ALL of the best players. Without a doubt this is due to the ECNL competition. They just lost one of the best to an ECNL team.
I have no ties to the Strikers but am a fan of the way their team operates. That is the model that all top clubs should follow in my opinion. Parents shouldn't have to pay crazy dollars for soccer. Why is it that on the boys side that several clubs follow the same model. As far as teams cutting kids, that's life and as you get older it gets worse. There is always someone that may perhaps be better than a particular player looking to take your spot. It happens in high school, College and so on. They are not the only team looking to better the bottom portion of there team, most highly competitive teams in any sport do that. I read several days ago that the very good player that left did so because her sister already played for Penn Fusion in same age, for the parents it only makes sense. I have followed the Strikers for years, even before this group of kids, the way they place kids in college speaks volumes. My only problem with Strikers os that I have a 97 kid and missed the boat.
It is great training but no better than you get at many other clubs. They took a kid from the PDA B team and kids who have been with the team for 3 years are gone so maybe the training isn't so much better than elsewhere. The free model is of course the major hook. Fortunately many people are delusional about their kids abilities and think they will always be in the top 5 on the team- so no drama. But understand that if your kid is not at the top end of the roster, then she might end up playing few minutes or not at all at major recruiting events. How does that look to a coach she invited? Also can be cut at any time during the year. Including after tryouts are complete. How is it going into u16 not knowing where a player is going to play during this critical time? If you and your player are good with the downside, the upside can be very good. Still think the competition is overall much better in the ECNL, and last year they didnt see as strong competition since for some unknown reason they didn't go to Disney and went to Vegas rather than WAGS which also conflicted with Jeff cup. Fortunately making it to nationals and through the generosity of PDA allowing non ECNL teams in their events, they probably got good enough exposure. I wonder when we will start hearing about their committments?This is the first team that they dont get all the best players in the area. In fact none of their players have even been invited into a national camp. The model isnt completely trunping the ECNL
No the Strikers are not trumping ECNL, but at the same time the PA ECNL clubs in this age group have under performed compared to other age groups because of the Strikers as well as other quality options. I am happy this area has an abundance of very good choices for our kids. And that should be what this discussion is all about. Not destroying one team or one method for the sake of your team or what you feel is best for your child. Those that want to bash the ECNL don't do it based on lack of exposure or competition, but rather based on the expense. Many kids still cannot afford the ECNL and all the travel it involves. Strikers give these kids and families an affordable option. Is their model perfect? No. But then again no one has the perfect system and the ECNL is far from perfect too. I would say PDA is the strongest club in our area, but you don't have to read much on this site to see that they have some issues also. No club is perfect, but what is great is we have many clubs and teams in this area doing everything they can to raise the level of play of girls soccer in this country. We should embrace that rather than attacking this team over that team and so on.
Come on! It is so much more fun attacking teams! And talking about how Team A lost this player and that player to Team B and only replaced them with "average" players. And then Team C lost a "stud" to Team D, but only managed to add a B team player. How else can parents stroke their ego's? This blog is for parents to attack everyone else, so they can feel better about themselves. It is cheaper and more rewarding than seeing a Shrink.
Agree there is a standoff that is resulting in all of the PA teams in this age group being diluted pretty badly. Put the top 2-6 players from the 3 ECNL teams and Strikers on one team and then there would be a team to compete nationally. I think at this time that Strikers are the best team in PA. However, looking forward to seeing the Penn Fusion team play with their new adds and hoping that they get out of the basement. Unfortunately it seems they might be replaced by Bucks. All teams probably picked up a player or two over the tryout season. We know PDA got a ringer.
9:20 agreed. It's certainly not the kids writing down lists of "top teams" in Region 1. I can tell you that some of the teams which the author so conveniently dismissed as being "local" only, have played those ECnl teams to one point games. And I am sure if anyone bothered to go back and look at game history this past season, you will find a complicated mix of wins and losses between most of the Reguon 1 teams. It's the author's own insecurities only, that he is trying to neatly compartmentalize a handful of teams.
@ 3:37, the score in a lot of games does not dictate how the game was played. I have seen several local teams play ECNL teams or very good quality non ECNL teams and come away with a 1 goal game but only possessed the ball 10% of the game. Let's be real, no one is taking any shots at so called local teams. I didn't read authors post that way, on any given day any team can compete with anyone but..... can locals teams compete with top tier teams listed on a consistent basis and get good results or perhaps even out time of possession and shots on goal. I have seen many of games where shot on goal differential is 15-20 to 2 and game ends 1-0. No shots at local teams some compete very well.
After PA Strikers and PDA Gunners, regardless of league, the next 10-12 teams could play each other 10 times and each win 5. If your kid is a good player and you, along with them, make the right contacts, they will get noticed by college coaches. A national champion will not come from region 1 in this age group.
4:08 last time I checked, games were won by points not possession. Your point is taken, but misguided a bit perhaps. Fancy footwork is nice to watch but the best freestyler is not the best team players. Indie cowie, for example, left UNC soccer to do her free styling stuff after freshman year. I have yet to see a single Messi amongst the ECnl teams we have faced, and until that time that one appears, holding possession without scoring goals doesn't amount to much except for parents posting on this blog.
@417 Your desperation to place certain teams above others is not supported by any facts. None of the teams you mention have dominated the group. On any given day,there are at least 6 teams that really cant be separated, especially if you said play your best 11 players. But lets face it, that is not only pointless, but not good for the kids or the families that all pay for the chance to play. So keep fantasizing about who is better if it makes your day more enjoyable.
5:57: Indie Cowie left UNC because of a torn ACL, and was advised by physicians that another injury could mean not only the end to her soccer career, but her freestyle career as well. Since she can support herself on her freestyle career as well as a Nike endorsement, she chose freestyling. But, I do tend to agree with your point.
If you look at results, both PA Strikers and PDA Gunners can be beaten, and not always by elite teams. After seeing a lot of teams play in the region, NEFC is clearly the best I've seen with FC Virginia as a close second.
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