Friday, May 29, 2015

U16G - U16 Girls Youth Soccer

This page is focused on Under 16 girls youth soccer in Region 1.

During this transition from middle school soccer to high school soccer, teams seem to change as quickly as the players do.

Stay tuned.

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Anonymous said...

^^^ lol The US Women just proved they are the best in the world and you say it’s time for a change. I’m glad I can just sit back and enjoy with complete faith that the leaders of US Soccer know exactly what they are doing.

Anonymous said...

The change was made and Wambach, Rampne, and Holiday are able to retire with dignity, but you weren't watching the World Cup closely enough if you do not think the double yellows on Rapinoe and Holiday didn't change things for the US. Jill Ellis was smart enough not to go back to the lineup she used at the group stage, but it's hard to argue that the changes were by design.

Carli Lloyd was a different player when she was moved away from a defensive role. Without those yellows, I'm not sure Brian ever becomes a starter during this world cup.

Anonymous said...

7:25 the point is that there doesn't seem to be a dominant team in tri state area. Talent appears well dispersed through ECNL and NPL. The only truly dominant team around here would be NEFC.

Anonymous said...

Any DUMMY that things the US Result was not the results because of changes many of us 'bashers' were calling for is just that...A DUMMY! The result only supports what we have been calling for. Thank you very much.

Ellis made some gutsy lineup and formation decisions. The US women had horrendous early games by everyones admission. It really was not until the Germany game that you saw quality from our ladies which was an absolutely delight to watch.

Yes, the U.S. is once again World Cup champs but we were a goal in two games away from being champs. We showed resolve and some commitment to evolving our game. Thankfully.

This positive result may be more impactful for the future of the sport in the U.S. than most of us can imagine if it frees up coaches a bit so they can develop/evolve our game.

DCShore

Anonymous said...

The mighty OZ has spoken.

Anonymous said...

He sees all, knows all.

Anonymous said...

you may not like DC but he is right. Until the Germany game, the midfield was bypassed and poorly involved in the games. Carli Lloyd was pretty ineffective until she was placed in an attacking role. From the Germany game onwards I think every one can be taught a lesson about building and attack involving the defense, midfield and forwards. The home run long balls have no place in today's game. Yes you can beat beat weaker teams with long ball direct soccer, but with the better teams you need to build and sustain an attack. I think we also learned that all teams need to build from the back up. The defensive back line was solid throughout.

Anonymous said...

What is there not to like about self-righteous posts, thank you very much.

Anonymous said...

sorry people. dont kid yourselves. None of the US goals in the final were a result of building from the back. NONE. The US capitalized on set pieces and mistakes. That is womens soccer. The level of play is,IMO disappointing. Possession is given away easily, passing is relatively poor and finishing from open play is terrible. Lloyd is a fit, strong lady, but she is no technician. I saw her completely miss the ball and fall over it more than once in the finals. The USA simply re-affirmed the massive advantages they have over every other country. The fact that they had not won since 99 was amazing. Unless another country luck in to a golden generation, e are in for more of the same. Stunning to me that a team of 30 somethings can be effective in the womens game. Would not happen in the mens game.

Anonymous said...

Agree horrible soccer, but why does it have to be so? Sure women are slower and weaker just a fact. The game will always be slower than the men's game. But that doesn't mean it has to lack artistry. There is no physiological reason why they should make poor decisions on the ball, have poor technique or lack creativity. I believe that there are plenty of players in the US who have the technique sophistication and indeed artistic creativity to play a beautiful game. They just are not selected. I do however, after seeing the U17 play, believe a few, Emina Eckic (sp?) comes to mind, are being selected, but there continues to be a bias toward athleticism (Mallory Pugh) to the exclusion of the artists. The U20s I thought were uninspired. Why not develop a mix of players- athletic forwards and center backs, fast outside backs and technical midfielders and wingers. But the US seems very myopic in its selection process.

Anonymous said...

What selection process? If you believe half of what you read, they seem to have abdicated much of that responsibility to The ECNL.

Anonymous said...

The USSF designates head coaches for each of the youth national teams. April kater is the director overseeing all of the teams and used to coach the U14s (now odd years start at u15) The head coach designates multiple scouts, whose opinion they can trust, to identify players. These scouts attend multiple events both USYSA and ECNL including ODP. They also consult and scout the national training center event coaches and their sessions. The YNT coaches attended the regional NTC combine in Lancaster, PA this past spring. When watching a game- usually ECNL, national league, or ODP interregional- they usually sit at the 50 between the coaches and wear US soccer attire with the crest prominent if you look for them. The scouts make recommendations to the coaches on whom is interesting to them and deserves an invitation. the coaches themselves are also present at all major events and may go see a particularly interesting player after having been directed by a scout. In general that's how it works.

The ECNL isn't the only place they scout. They have a database of players' scores on the technical testing done at the NTC events and can consult that too. But the only USYSA events where they will be in plentiful supply will be the national league events (CASL/Disney/and Vegas) and the ODP interregional.

Anonymous said...

currently the USSF mistake technical testing for technical expertize. The ability to see the picture and execute in it is my definition of technique. All these isolation based tests of juggling - both feet and head, shooting accuracy etc mean nothing when executed under zero pressure. I watch kids in these environments excel and then watch them in games- night and day. The knee jerk reaction to losing to japan and NOT winning the WC since 99 was the mantra, we must get more technical. Lets be Japan. Newsflash- we cant. in America the game seems to be a very one vs one game. Kids taking turns on the ball while others watch. the team work is lacking because I don't see players who understand situations and know how to bring team mates into play. In summary, the kids just don't read the game well and see the whole picture.

Most of the players the federation picks are pretty decent individually. But many of them seem similar in style. You wont see beautiful soccer until players are picked who can work together. The USA is a star system, not a team system. Teams need variety, and a common tactical goal. Teams need unselfish players.


Anonymous said...

Never seen Pugh play, but TD Soccer see her as the second coming. Is she that good? I see the results of USA teams she is in and I don't think I have seen one win. Every game she plays, TDS say how great she is.

Anonymous said...

DC, thanks for referring to me as a dummy. Every now and then I think you might be an intelligent level headed analyst then you remind me that you are not. When you are proven wrong you shout and stamp your feet and call people names. Bottom line is I was right, some of the older players (Lloyd, Rapione) and some of the younger players (Brian, Johnston) combined to prove to the world we are the best. My daughter and her friends had a blast at the parade today! God Bless the US! We might have won that tournament with our bench players. Our coach said before the first game that they didn’t want to play their best games early but rather later in the tournament. She forecast her strategy then executed it. Great coaching if you ask me, but what does a dummy like me know.

Anonymous said...

I am not personally impressed. I watched the entire U20 WC last year. She was playing up 3 years. She was lost. Very fast, but I didn't see the creativity everyone touts. I also watched the recent NTC U20 tournament (Its on you tube still)Again I thought she was average at best, but again playing up 2 years. she is fast but tends to miss hit shots and waste great chances. I don't see her creating much for others at all.

In general I am not thrilled watching the U20s. The exception was Rose LaVelle. She is a junior at Wisconsin and identified as the #1 collegiate midfielder currently. She is sometimes fun to watch for Wisconsin, but the USSF (Michele French) in its infinite wisdom, played her too far back as a holder in the u20 WC (shades of morgan Brian). She didn't have the impact that I think she could have if positioned behind Linsdey Horan. Instead, when Pugh couldn't handle the responsibility at attacking mid, French played her forward and pulled Horan back. French's positional decisions hamstrung the US with multiple players out of their best positions. reminds me of the recent proceedings.

Anonymous said...

I want to be like DC

Anonymous said...

I watched Pugh on youtube. I saw some things i liked. Definitely can penetrate and as some speed. Looked to have good feet as well. Looks like a winger to me, not a CM, but would need to see more. I hope she is not one of these kids who looks like a world beater against poor teams and disappears against good ones. I the japan game she had some good moments, but not many. That is the problem with the womens game at the international level, especially youth. There is a lack of competitive games.Players dominate, get complacent and then lose to the one good team they face.

Anonymous said...

DCShore

Eric Harris said...

If I'm not mistaken wasn't the great OZ a fraud and mislead the people......to get what he wanted because he was too much of a coward to kill the wicked witch himself..........you are right I do see a resemblance and a direct correlation between the two lol

Eric Harris

Anonymous said...

Eric, this has been a discussion on US Soccer, do you really need to make it personal? I can't find a single PDA comment ion this stream.

Anonymous said...

Where is GW coaching now?

Anonymous said...

GW is right where he's been for the past two years.

Anonymous said...

Copa seemed to have struggled at the NPL Finals, once again, it seems NJ clubs at all levels struggle when leaving the state.

Anonymous said...

Can someone please explain to me how FC Virginia is ecnl, npl, region 1 league, and play in state cup? Is it more than one team or something I don't understand it.

Anonymous said...

FC Virginia Premier is not the ECNL Club and that is the team playing in the NPL Finals. No different than the PDA Pride and the PDA Gunners. Well maybe a little different since the Pride will never see the NPL Finals.

Anonymous said...

From what I understand, FC Virginia has a pool of about 35 players that participate in multiple leagues, etc- not two or three different teams.

Anonymous said...

My understanding it was the ABGC Premier 99 team from last year that went over to FCV. That team for the most part participated in State Cup, ECNL, NPL, USYSA National League, Region 1 Champions League, ECNL Seattle, and NPL Finals. FC Virginia Premier 99 is the same team as the ECNL team. FC Virginia did have a large roster in the beginning, not anymore.

Anonymous said...

Good try 7:50 PM. Let's brainstorm the ways you might try to feel better about yourself tomorrow ... punish a pet, steal someone's parking spot, short-tip the waiter/waitress, take candy from a baby. LOSER !!!

Eric Harris said...

@ July 11, 2015 at 9:21am I’m sorry I didn’t see the disclaimer that I am only allowed to make responses to certain post…..I am truly disappointed in you because you should know better to know that I respond to whatever I feel and whoever doesn’t like it…………………..I guess get over it. I only find it odd that you would respond the way you did. Did I say something that was incorrect. I seen several times and I also took my kids to see the show Wicked which ties it all together so I would say that what I said is correct in my assessment.
Eric Harris

Anonymous said...

9:37 You are right, you are free to post what you want without a disclaimer, It would be nice if just once you could post actually post something about soccer being that it is a soccer blog.

Anonymous said...

What did 7:50 say that was so wrong?? Pride is imploding on themselves, they won't see the finals in anything if the coach/DOC doesn't stop his nonsense.

Anonymous said...

3:55 LET IT GO ALREADY! So your daughter got cut, get over it man.

Anonymous said...

U15 Girls soccer should be about development and progression, not about winning or losing. Listen I get it we all want to see our girls play well and win, no one likes losing. Its a shame if there are clubs out there that are just looking to field the best team at all costs. That's not about what we want as parents. We want our girls to develop into young responsible women with a chance to be able to continue to play the game they love. All the negative talk on here is Ridiculous. Listen we all have choices if you dont think your Daughter\son are getting the proper training then go else where, if a coach cuts you, you look else where because you don't need to be there anyway.

Anonymous said...

Pride coach didn't cut anyone, no one showed up at tryouts.

Anonymous said...

2;43 I disagree, yes we all want our kids to develop, but whether we liking or not, kids enjoyment comes from competing and yes winning. Even at age 7 when scores weren't kept, the kids always knew who won and lost. I've never seen a kid come off a field after a 3-0 whooping and say "wow, that development felt great today." I believe that winning is a consequence of good development, anyone who has driven 8 hours to a tournament knows how good that drive is when your daughter's team wins and how bad it is when they lose.

The negative talk is what is is and there will always be trolls. That is the nature of the internet.

Anonymous said...

Will agree with 6:22 that winning/losing is part of the game both of which support development and that there is no point in trying to control the trolls.

Given tenor and frequency of the posts, it seems that it was the parent who was cut, feels guilty for having negatively influenced their daughter's soccer experience and has burdened themselves with an insatiable quest to justify their actions.

Blogs such as this can benefit the trolls by providing an arena to release frustrations. Unfortunately, nothing can undo their actions and the benefits tend to be short-lived. Hence why they return again and again seeking additional release. Pretty sad really but better then some of the alternatives they may be capable of.

Anonymous said...

@622 as i mentioned at u15 it should be more about development, trust me in the last 10 months we have been to SC, NC, Fl, MD, MA, WV and Albany so driving long distance is something I am aware of. You are right about the winning the girls dont care as long as they win. The difference is how they competed and what level of competition they played. As you know some times we travel far and the games can either be non-competitive or they can be really competitive. In order to develop they should be training all year round and playing to equal competition. In less then 3 years this may be over for alot of the girls if not sooner. I guess it depends on what the future holds.

Anonymous said...

Winning is a function of competition. The point is that to sacrifice development for simply winning is fools gold. Teams should be playing in an environment where they are challenged and nothing less that top performance will equal wins. The problem with the girls game is that you can win games at the highest levels with one or two outstanding performers. Do you stay on a team that wins because of this if your child is winning, but not really contributing? Winning is your child enjoying the sport and getting a chance to play it at the next level. The perfect team environment will be one in which you win a few more than you lose and are challenged the whole way.

Anonymous said...

At 904, good to see that Dr.Phill is now on the blog. You figured me out, I am the only one who ever wrote a negative post about PDA, yup, just me. Well, I better get back under the bridge, you caught me, well done, sir!

Anonymous said...

11:56 I guess the point is, why the need to keep pounding the same issues over and over again. The issues with the Pride have been well documented and it's a team that never lived up to its early promise. We get it, move on.

Anonymous said...

Wait ....did NEFC lose?

Anonymous said...

yes 2-1 to FC VA- top roster of ECNL/National league players

Anonymous said...

Good luck to our northeast representatives in Indiana this weekend at the Club Cup Nationals. FC Quickstrike and Toms River Everton.

Anonymous said...

Penn strikers to usysa nationals good luck!

Anonymous said...

That is the usysa nationals ?

Anonymous said...

Good Luck in Indiana Quickstrike and Toms River. You've been great competitors this season and we wish you well!

(A Copa family)

Anonymous said...

Good luck to my daughter. You've been a great competitor this season and we wish you well.

(Future USWNT family)

Anonymous said...

Really 11:13? Obviously you're trying to disparage my comments but I won't feed into whatever insecurities you might have. Yes I am a Copa parent and am very proud of our girls. At some times I have thought they are fantastic and other other times wonder what the he$% they are doing during a game. But it really has nothing to do with me. It's how the girls feel after they come off the pitch, win or lose. They know when they play well and when they play poorly. It happens to all teams.

We've played Quickstrike and Everton multiple times in the past and sometimes have won and sometimes have lost. Although I wish our team was representing NJ in Indiana, I can still rise above my slight envy and wish our somewhat local teams good luck.

So once again: Good luck Quickstrike and Everton.

(And of course 11:13, good luck to your daughter on the USWNT....Can I get a ticket to one of her game?)

Anonymous said...

Good luck to Hershey Elite in nationals!

Anonymous said...

Any scores yet? How did FC Copa B team Leon do this morning out at Nationals.

Anonymous said...

What is the deal with Nationals and who gets to pick these teams?

Anonymous said...

Those that advanced to "nationals" played in open regional tournaments that anyone could participate in - not exactly a representation of the top teams by any stretch.

Anonymous said...

I see the soccer snobs are out - Another version of "if you are not in my exclusive club, you are not good enough." Another way to look at it is that it is an open cup so it is more representative because is an open cup and anyone can enter. No different the the NJ Cup or State Cups. It still is a National Competition and anyone going to it should be proud for competing.

Are the ECNL National Finals any less valuable to teams in the ECNL because teams like the Strikers and NEFC have no way of entry even though they have shown themselves more to be more than worthy competitions?

Anonymous said...

Or won their respective US Club State Cup. Unlike USYS there are no Regionals first so it goes straight from state cup to Nationals or straight from the open tournament to Nationals.

Anonymous said...

NEFC and Strikers are good teams.The top ECNL teams are better. They play better competition on a more regular basis. Neither team would make the ECNL finals.

Anonymous said...

8:58 You miss the point of my post. A poster was essentially making a comment that the National Finals are not true Nationals. The fact is that it is a National Tournament like what ultimate cumes from the US Soccer and USYS State Cups and it is open to any one, so it is a true National Cup an a lot of fun for the kids participating whether or not it meets the level of competition for some of the soccer snobs. Whether the Strikers, NEFC or a host of other teams around the country, there are many clubs in the country that can and do consistently beat ECNL clubs and yes they do sometimes lose as well. But a competition by picking a choosing at a board level who gets to participate in a competition is less a National Championship than tournaments that are open entry.

The ultimate point is rather than people coming on here and commenting on kids going out and competing and enjoying the travel of a National Cup, why not either not post or just wish the girls well instead of criticizing anything that is not the "Elite" level.

Anonymous said...

This is where US Club dropped the ball. USYSA will never get the ECNL teams in their NCS open tournament. US Club can but they need to make this the top of the pyramid by making the ECNL Champion and runner Up getting an Automatic bid plus the NPL champion getting an automatic bid. Then use their regional events to fill out the rest. US Club soccer can recreate the old European "Treble" that all teams wanted three trophies in a single season.

For Us club it would have been, to bad these people have no vision, with this move they would crush USYSA as most team would want a shot at the ECNL teams (the best of the best) and the college coaches and NT scouts would go crazy. And no worries ECNL when the USSF gives you the go you don'y have to worry about players jumping ship for other options as you would still be at the top of the pyramid

1. National Cup
2. State Cup
3. League Championship

Anonymous said...

My daughters team did not make the "Nationals", and I'm not really sure what this was all about as this is our first time, but we have friends in teams that made it to Indiana to play teams like the Pocono Elite from PA. It's really expensive to travel that far to play a local team.

And what does the National cup mean anyway? Does it get you exposure to college recruiting?

Anonymous said...

National Cup is just like any other tournament. It certainly shouldn't be confused with a "National Championship". There is much greater competition at the Disney College Showcase, PDA Tournament, WAGS, etc. Calling this "Nationals" is really a stretch.

Anonymous said...

Agree completely with 8:15- this is just an open tournament that anyone could enter. "National" is a bit deceiving when you look at the teams competing, specifically the u15- primarily teams from PA and NJ- why travel to play teams in your backyard?

Anonymous said...

disclaimer , my child did not play in any of the national events. They are fun for those that do, and the bigger the league, the more credibility I guess, but I prefer rest from games at this time. Most have had long seasons and now is the time to really work on touches before the HS season starts and bad habits can set in.

Anonymous said...

High school is a generator of bad habits

Anonymous said...

Nothing any bozos on this blog say, can take away from some great groups of girls who battled through some grueling Us Club Cup tournaments to become their respective US Club Cup State Champions. And nothing can change the experiences that these 15 year old girls had ,going to Indiana to play in their National Tournament. Cmon folks. Lets not sit here and try to degrade that accomplishment or make it out to be some footnote tournament. I was looking at the Bio of a top recruit freshman at a D1 school while signing up my daughter for a camp. And the very first line of that Bio said 2014 US Club Cup State Championship. Runner ups at US Club Cup National Tournament. You cant just be in it. You have to win your way in. And for the rest of their lives they will remember the summer that they were State Champs and went to the Nationals. No matter what goes on in this small minded blog.

Anonymous said...

Hey 4:29, can you tell me what state champ from NJ or PA played in the Mid-Atlantic Regional that then advanced to Nat'l ?

Anonymous said...

4:45 The Penn Strikers will be competing in a National Championship this week. And by the way, this is a Region 1 blog, not just NJ and PA. Why the need to have to try to diminish the accomplishments of girls competing at whatever level. If the kids are playing at the right level and they are competing then more power to them. Your soccer snobbery is coming through loud and clear.

Anonymous said...

I think the point is just that the US Club soccer format for a nationals seems a bit flawed. Winning a state cup is certainly a nice accomplishment in of itself but shouldn't a team then have to go to Regionals and win that before being able to go to nationals. Also many of the teams did not even win their state cup but got straight into nationals from winning a tournament such as the Mid-Atlantic. As merely an example YMS Pride lost the PAE state cup in the semis but then got a second chance by signing up for the Mid-Atlantic tournament and won and then got straight into nationals. Not a commentary one way another on YMS but just merely an example of one of the flaws in the US Club format. Penn Strikers are going to USYSA Nationals and that is after winning PAE state cup and then Region I.

Anonymous said...

The girls didnt choose the format. They played the games, won the games and moved on as the format took them. If you win your state tournament you represent your state in the National Tournament. If you dont then you must go the round about way which is also difficult. Are you going to try and cheapen these girls accomplishments with what is essentially your opinion? Remember what momma told you about opinions. And anyone can buy a super star team and run through any tournament they want and call themselves Champs. That is the easy way. Theres my stinky opinion for you.

Anonymous said...

9:00 Exactly! Every system has flaws. Some times it comes down to the luck of the draw. Why not just applaud the girls for playing and competing. Nobody here is saying if you go to the US CLub Nationals that you are the best team in the Country, but what it says is that the team had the strength to get through multiple competitions well.

It is ridiculous how people stretch to try to diminish the accomplishment.

By 7:22's view, let's do away with NCAA basketball championships where teams can lose their division and still get a bid, and WIldCard in football no team that didn't win their division shouldn't be in the playoffs right. What is wrong with a second chance for a team? Some times one state has 2 equally deserving teams where unfortunately one team had to lose. Those 2 teams may well be better than many other State Champions. In the NCAA they allow non-division winner bids because they want the best teams, the NFL has wild cards because some times you have years where the Wild Cards from one division are better than the divisional winners and deserve a spot. Get over it, it doesn't impact your protected little bubble.

Anonymous said...

7:22 YMS lost the new PA US Club State Cup? or did they lose in the EPYSA NCS Cup?Big difference. USYSA and US Club don't recognize each other.

I do agree that and Regional should not be an open event. If you make the ECNL champ and NPL champs play in this tournament and market it as the top of the food chain - you know if you "build it they will come" you would have a top event.

PS. I would never try and put anything down. While I agree the Regionals shouldn't be open. It is how they qualify teams for their National event. Question when you guys talk up Jefferson and Wags aren't those Showcase events at the older ages-why would anyone be playing to win those games -"showcase" is for the players not the coaches/team. Some of us have our priorities in the wrong place. Leagues are for titles, state cups are for titles, regionals and nationals are for titles - not tournaments that should be used as friendlies at the younger ages and showcase events at the older ages. But we all know how we all love our rankings - YES you go to these tournaments to win since the game is played to win - but you don't shorten a roster/bench to win - you let the kids play and let the chips fall where they fall since the coaches are their to watch them play and they could careless who wins.

Anonymous said...

No one is trying to disparage any team or players, competition is always a good thing and one can spend one's money in any way they want. I'm just puzzled as we have friends in an NJ team that traveled to Greensboro, North Carolina to compete in the Nat'l Cup Southeast Regional. They won their division by beating 3 very low ranked teams from the area, then traveled to Indiana to compete in the Nationals. Seems like a lot of time and effort but if you and your kid is having fun, then that's awesome.

Anonymous said...

10:18 "No one is trying to disparage any team or Players" but it's "puzzling" to you. That is your passive aggressive way of of disparaging other teams while trying to sound nice. Stop the elitism, the only thing sensible you said is about a kid having fun. Even if it's not your type of thing, anyone who has seen kids travel and compete in a 2-3 day tournament knows that it can be great for a team. Why do teams go to the Jeff Cup at a 4th or 5th bracket down, most do it for the competitive experience and team bonding.

This is as passive aggressive as it gets "Seems like a lot of time and effort but if you and your kid is having fun, then that's awesome." Translated into what you really wanted to say. "I think your ridiculous for traveling to North Carolina for a low-level tournament, hey but if you want to waste your time and effort go for it... oh yeah maybe it will be a good experience for the kids." Please get over your elitism.

Anonymous said...

For the record,coaches get paid to win. Its that simple. coaches will enter events so they can win. The parents will go along as long as they do win. This dynamic drives the game. Development is very low on the list. Coaches are considered developers IF they win. Lets be honest, If the parents go along with it and the kids are happy, who are we to judge?

What we can do is judge the overall quality of these events.Some of these events are not high quality, but it is what is is. There is demand from families so the supply is there.

Good luck to all, not every kid wants to be a star in the ACC. Enjoy these times while they last. They grow up fast and so do we. Pretty soon we will be drooling and the kids will be long gone.Love and cherish the good times.

Anonymous said...

I think there is a point of diminishing returns when attending tournaments. Some clubs enter as many tournaments they can to harvest those GotSoccer points. Jeff Cup is good as it is reasonably driveable, but NC or IN? The Jeff Cup has good competition at all levels with teams that you don't usually play. This National Cup does not seem worth it and this is coming from some of the dads I hang out with.

Anonymous said...

I don't understand why anyone is being called out for eliticism when commenting on the us club nationals. It's not really a nationals imo when you aren't playing top level teams to get there. It just isn't. Not that it isn't a good accomplishment and deserves some nice praise but to call the winner a national champion is just misleading. Those outside the soccer world may be impressed but those involved in soccer understand the difference.

And for those that argue ecnl vs national league, you cannot just simply say those teams in the top level of the national league couldn't compete with the top teams in the ecnl bc it just isn't true. One look at common opponents will show that on any given day it's very possible for the best from each league to be competitive against each other.

Anonymous said...

S/He probably thinks the poster questioning Nationals has a kid that plays in ECNL or NPL

Anonymous said...

No one outside the soccer world know or cares who wins the various youth soccer titles.

Anonymous said...

Nope only the parents do and the coaches use them as resume builders.

Anonymous said...

It's not elitism questioning why US Club Soccer calls it Nationals, actuall the National Cup, who really cares what they call the tournament. What is elitism is questioning why people would essentially waste their time going to North Carolina for such a tournament. I think the term was "puzzled" as to why someone would want to travel to NC and Indiana. We all get it, no one believes that the winner of the Nationals is the best team in the Country. So US Club Soccer offers an ECNL title, and NPL title, and US National Cup title for anyone else who want to compete. Instead of being puzzled, why not just be happy that US Club Soccer offers National experiences for girls at different levels of Youth soccer.

Yes, perhaps the Parents and Coaches care about who wins the various titles, the players do.

Anonymous said...

Why is it irritating that a team like the "Hershey Elite" extolls itself as "regional champion" going to "nationals" when they win the second flight of the "national cup" regionals? They and other similar teams also made similar boasts when they won the state presidents cup. Is it because we feel that they are claiming a title unearned? Is there some sort of sense of injustice in their claims' false advertising? Do we take offense in our belief that they are deceiving themselves and others as possibly a way to falsely enhance their coach's reputation? Do their claims somehow diminish our children's "real" accomplishments? A study in sociology.

Anonymous said...

8:43 They are not fooling anyone, but why not get over it. I have seen a lot of teams even from "elite" programs tout that they have won tournaments. Teams don't say I won the Jeff Cup 5th bracket down, they say they won the Jeff Cup. Anyone can go on Got Soccer and various other websites and see a team's history.

Does anyone really believe that Hershey Elite is in the top 10 or 20 in the region, no.

This is what the Hershey's website says

The Hershey Elite U15 Girls competed at the US Club Mid-Atlantic Regional held in Somerset, NJ last weekend.

The girls went 4-0 beating:

STA Morris United NPL 3-0
WWPSA Mercer FC Magic 3-2
Aventura 2-0
NJ Wildcats Troutman NPL 4-1
This weekend the girls will be competing in the top bracket of the PA Classics Mid-Atlantic Cup in preparation to traveling to Indianapolis next week for Nationals! Well done girls and good luck!

and it also says they were the 2014 President Cup Champions.

It seems like an accurate assessment to me. Get over it. Other teams have done far worse.

Anonymous said...

Well they weren't the "Presidents cup champions" to start out with. They clearly are not making accurate assessments. They won the EPYSA presidents cup and then didn't advance further. Their parents probably don't even know the difference between the NCS and presidents cup. Second the issue is calling the second flight of a second rate tournament "nationals". Not even sure one can, with a straight face, call what FC Penn is doing in Tulsa even given the hundreds of teams that competed in the event, "nationals" anymore. Tied TopHat today to advance. That is a great accomplishment. As an aside, will be interesting to see how Tophat does in the ECNL this year.

Hershey is infamous for their false claims. Came on here last year calling themselves PA state cup champions.

Anonymous said...

Holy Yawn Batman

DCShore

Anonymous said...

Do you really care what Hershey does with their marketing? Makes no difference for 99.9% at this point, most people on this site know who are the more competitive teams at this point. Will Hershey ever have an effect on your team?

Anonymous said...

Well actually they are damaging teams and players are coming and going. Not good for central PA soccer.

Anonymous said...

You should take your axe and go grind it with the coach. Sorry things didn't work out for you there. Hershey Elite is not the first play where people get cut and kids leave and then someone complains how bad it is for soccer.

Anonymous said...

No star for YMS- you know what they say about karma.

Anonymous said...

No nat'l championship for the club with only one egg in the Premier level basket. Stinks for the girls but for others, you reap what you sow.

Anonymous said...

We seem to have all but forgotten that the 15's did not succeed in winning a national championship.

Anonymous said...

Watched some of the games on the USYSA network.

http://championships.usyouthsoccer.org/live/

Some of the best players on Legends and La Roca- Olivia Wade number 10 La Roca is really great. I thought she was the best quality player on the field. TopHat's superstar was pretty quiet. Our region 1 Strikers don't seem to have a special player and the rest weren't quite good enough collectively to push it over the bar. They lost the midfield battles more often than not. I thought their midfield was stronger when I have seen them in the past. I think they may have some injuries weakening them. There is a roster freeze in effect for the finals. Did they pick up a special player during the tryout season? Did they make the adds to bring the collective level up to the national challenge? There were kids on the bench in yellow pinnies with alternate uniforms on. Suggests that maybe they have some new players.

The Strikers have the best chance in region 1 next year to bring it again since the rumor is that FC VA won't be participating in USYSA programs with their A teams. They did not bring the A team to regionals instead sending them to Seattle. They may play their A team in the national league next year. If they finish top 2 they will go to nationals. Will be interesting to see how that unfolds.

Top Hat out of USYSA next year to ECNL. They definitely struggled without their really strong center mid pulling the strings. Will be very interesting to see how they fare in the ECNL. Might answer some questions regarding the relative strength of the ECNL versus USYSA.

Anonymous said...

YMS Xplosion U16s may not have won the National Championship (again), but according to the YMS website, the "YMS Pride" made it to the Final of National Cup in Indiana recently.

What confuses me is that no where on any of the National Cup websites does it ever mention "YMS Pride". All I keep on seeing is Arsenal FC of PA. Did they merge or something?

Anonymous said...

Arsenal fc is a paw team Pittsburgh area

Anonymous said...

YMS Applied to the tournament and then lost it's players, Arsenal took their spot with the remaining YMS players going along. Can't imagine a cross-state merger making sense or working out but crazier things have happened. YMS Pride is depleted and Arsenal FC is also losing players to Riverhounds. If the only option is to merge then I guess that's what will happen. Can't imagine YMS agreeing to do this and losing their name/brand. Egos involved way too big - in addition to the fact that there would be two head coaches, two assistants, two mgrs, etc.

Anonymous said...

"YMS Pride" no longer exists. More than half the team went to Patriot FC, the rest merged with the existing Arsenal team from PA-W.

Anonymous said...

Look who got the points for that tournament- Arsenal, not YMS Pride. Another premier team done at YMS - Pride no longer exists.

Anonymous said...

This is what happened to word classFC 99 when half the tea and the coach went to albertson. They beceme 2 average teams when they split and they were really great. Usysa loses another decent team. Gk to PDA. Ate others looking to ecnl? I know bucks lost their superstar national player to PDA and I heard another. There are probably some openings there. Last year for D1 recruiting.

Anonymous said...

@ 723 Would love to know who your child plays for, but WCFC are far from average. They had a winning record vs all the top teams this year except FC Stars. That includes PDA. They have some really top tier players. You cannot compare the two situations at all

Anonymous said...

They are a shadow of their former selves. They still have RJ who keeps them competitive, but they are nothing like the previous team that truly was one of the dominant teams in the country. The Northeast was very level on talent. WCFC tied last place Penn Fusion 2-2. No team was world beater including PDA and FC Stars. Wotness their champions league results

Anonymous said...

WC were great at u10 thru u12.

Anonymous said...

They remained dominant through u14

Anonymous said...

Congrats to the two NJ players attending the u16 camp @ Chula Vista this weekend !

Anonymous said...

So the Pride players guest played for Arsenal FC at the US Club National Cup? Or did they actually merge to form a new team? If Arsenal is getting the points, it would seem as though the YMS Pride has essentially folded. From what others have written and taken with a grain of salt, that leaves YMS with only 1 premier team on the entire girls side?

As for a merger, I can't imagine this benefits the the former Pride players or families at all. Pittsburgh and YMS are on opposite sides of the state which hinders any type of consistent team training or evaluation by coaches. Not to mention the burden it's going to put on families with all that traveling.

Anonymous said...

9:12- that appears to be the case and agree. I guess they feel it was their best option, pretty much telling the other YMS U15 teams that their players aren't good enough or developed enough to compete at the Premier level which is contrary to what they preach. Such a shame what happened, the Pride team was very good and getting better- all destroyed. You don't cross those in charge or dare step outside the "YMS Way" despite the fact that there were wins, player development, and overall improvement. The girls all lost in this.

Anonymous said...

Two young ladies from NJ included in US U-16 Team:
http://www.ussoccer.com/stories/2015/07/29/15/07/150729-u16gnt-august-otc-camp

CHICAGO (June 29, 2015) – The Under-16 Girls’ National Team will hold a training camp from Aug. 1-9 at the Olympic Training Center in Chula Vista, California, that will feature 24 players.

This will be the third camp of the year for the U-16 GNT, which features 21 players born in 2000 and three born in 2001.

The U-16 camp will be run by Women’s Development Coach Tricia Taliaferro, who is U.S. Soccer’s main scout for the ’00 birth year. All of the players in this camp are age-eligible for the next FIFA U-17 Women’s World Cup in 2016, but the main birth year for that tournament is 1999.

This age group is in a two-year cycle that will graduate the players to the U-18 and then the U-20 WNT with the goal of playing in the 2020 FIFA Under-20 Women’s World Cup.

U.S. U-16 GNT Roster by Position:
GOALKEEPERS (3): Katherine Asman (Tophat SC; Roswell, Ga.), Hensley Hancuff (Oklahoma FC; Edmond, Okla.), Katie Meyer (Eagles SC; Newbury Park, Calif.)
DEFENDERS (7): Maycee Bell (Sporting FC Blue Valley; Wichita, Kans.), Emily Crocco (Richmond United; Midlothian, Va.), Margot Ridgeway (Match Fit Academy; Fair Haven, N.J.), Skylar Smith (SoCal Blues; Coto de Caza, Calif.), Julietta Thron (Albertson Fury; Caldwell, N.J.), Madeline Vergura (FC Stars of Mass.; Concord, Mass.), Kennedy Wesley (SoCal Blues; Rossmoor, Calif.)
MIDFIELDERS (7): Ravin Alexander (Ohio Elite; Fairfield, Ohio), Corianna Dyke (Colorado Rush; Littleton, Colo.), Sierra Enge (Carlsbad Elite; Cardiff, Calif.), Brianna Martinez (New Mexico Rush; Albuquerque, N.M.), Kylie Minamishin (Honolulu Bulls; Mililani, Hawaii), Ashlynn Serepca (Carolina Rapids; Cornelius, N.C.), Kali Trevithick (Crossfire Premier; Sammamish, Wash.)
FORWARDS (7): Croix Bethune (Concorde Fire; Alpharetta, Ga.), Lia Godfrey (Oklahoma FC; Edmond, Okla.), Sophie Hirst (Crossfire Premier; Seattle, Wash.), Nohemi Mendoza (Heat FC; Las Vegas, Nev.), Allison Schlegel (Colorado Storm; Parker, Colo.), Sophia Smith (Real Colorado; Fort Collins, Colo.), Brooke Wilson (San Diego Surf; Vista, Calif.)

Anonymous said...

Hmmm but one NJ girl off...

Anonymous said...

@1043 Don't know what you mean. These camps are to get a look at kids. Don't think they look at the way you do. Big pool of kids 80+. They cant all go to camp every time.

Anonymous said...

Quite likely that 10:43's daughter is not attending a US National camp, does that deserve a Hmmm. You know what they say, "Those that can, do. Those that can't criticize"

Anonymous said...

Is Beachwood breaking up? Three of their players went to PDA Shore and one to toms River Everton.

Its a shame very good team!

Anonymous said...

No disrespect but, Beachwood is not a very good team, they compete well at the lower level and that's about it. The team will never get invited to any of the major tournaments on the East Coast. Girls who left will get a chance to play at a higher level and also experience the competition at some of these high level tournaments, it remains to be seen if they will be able to compete at that level. The grass isn't always greener on the other side. The Brentwood coach is very animated and doesn't teach good soccer, typical Daddy coach. Good luck to girls moving on to new teams.

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Anonymous said...

Where are all the PDA players on the U 16 team??

Anonymous said...

They are at the NIke national training event

Anonymous said...

They were at the Nike camp 8/1 is the travel day.

Anonymous said...

Oh yes, two PDA girls at national camps out of 5 teams. Money well spent.

Anonymous said...

There will be more camps. Don't understand the negativity towards PDA. The top players in this age group are in the U-17 pool with a World Cup on the horizon. No shame in being a National Pool player and no shame in not going to every camp.

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