Thursday, February 4, 2016

U16G - U16 Girls Youth Soccer

This page is focused on Under 16 girls youth soccer in Region 1.

Teams face increased competition for the top players, (who are increasingly attending college showcases).

More teams consolidate and the best teams--academy soccer, club soccer and high school teams--battle to attract and retain the right player mix.

Stay tuned. This is bound to be good.

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Anonymous said...

3:47 you are correct.

That is what makes a good team and teammate being able to bring out the best in each other. Playing for teammates not themselves. If you play for yourself, you loose as a team. If you play as a team you win all around (even if the score doesn't reflect it).

Respect of your players and teammates is earned, but can be easily lost. It is a very specific dynamic the success of a team.

Anonymous said...

The biggest improvement is probably the 3 inches and 20 pounds in one of the kids who has been there a while. However they did add her sister a defensive player who was the only Striker to leave not because of playing time that I know of. They also added the Pocono ODP kid who has appeared to have helped them. So these three kids who at least from the stats sheet and Striker history seem to be at least some of the key pieces. All come from 2 hours or more away.

Anonymous said...

Yep, that is why sometimes very good players are asked to leave a team to make it more successful. A selfish teammate can be very polarizing.

Anonymous said...

That is where we differ. I see improvement in several areas and it isn't just in the middle (which is where many turn overs keep occuring).

Anonymous said...

Like other teams, there are a bunch of kids contributing and some of them don't have stats.

Anonymous said...

Lol 405
You have an outside kid on PF who doesn't score? Why am I even asking...Those midfielders and forwards are really well known because they do ODP, NTC, and have been on Strikers and central PA teams. They are good I think the new kids and the other kid all played on the region 1 team in Florida at one point- got to be some validation there. Someone already made the point that it helped with he team chemistry.

What team are you even talking about for next year? Seems like most of the ECNL teams will be devastated by the age change. The 00 teams for some of the clubs will be mostly u15 players since a lot of top teams are heavy with older players. The 99s ECNL are mostly SOoL a few of the best will see time with the 98/99 teams next year but most will not. Some of the 99s and U16 00s are leaving the ECNL all together. Composite/ renamed B team? Strikers will play 99 u18 USYSA and make a few key adds to beef up for older competition. PA Classics 00 look really good because they have the USSF scout as a coach and they are dangling DA for next year. All kinds of chaos right now.

Anonymous said...

Seriously, if anyone didn't think the ECNL people were crazy just read these posts with the Penn fusion parents attacking each other's kids. I will sit back and enjoy the show while I eat my popcorn. Are any of the mom's hot? Might make it more entertaining.

Anonymous said...

I think he 153 is saying that the ECNL teams benefit from drawing payers from wider areas. I agree, but in PA there are too many ECNL teams and then add Strikers which is ECNL-equivalent and you have dilution. Take the top 5 kids from these 4 teams and then that team would readily compete with PDA. In fact I am surprised that PDA doesn't totally beat up on the PA ECNL teams by wider margins.

Anonymous said...

4:36 - Agreed. I am not sure they attacking each other's kids. But I am reading it differently. I am sitting here thinking...don't they get that this other person is talking about kids that don't play offense? Da. Silly people who are too wrapped up in their own kids. Don't see the forest through the trees. Hahahaha.

Anonymous said...

436 no way these are pf parents most likely they are anti ecnl or anti pf people.

Anonymous said...

Most likely PA Classics parents actually I think some of the kids played there in the past. Anyway, I think they should get rid of the public stats. Some of the clubs/teams have already. I think they are divisive.

Anonymous said...

4:56 - yep, a team is made up of offense and defense. That one parent is only wrapped up about offense and stats not about the things stats don't capture. Well, I am not a parent that focuses on stats, but one that wants ALL kids to succeed.

Anonymous said...

Popcorn nothing. This needs a Jersey Mike's Sub.

Anonymous said...

@ 4:25 - wow! I was wondering what non-ECNL/NPL teams were going to do. True this is all very chaotic.

Anonymous said...

Saw the post about teams not publicly posting stats, that is a very god idea. I know some teams use them to have players focus on certain players. Do college coaches give them any credence when scouting? Why else have them? I get the cards and times a player has appeared in games. But why the others?

Anonymous said...

Oh @4:01 - my post is directly under yours. It was not directed to your post.

It was a general reminder to all parents/kids as this is try-out season and people want to go to successful teams, teams that are developing and teams with not too much drama. There is always playing time drama, I have found, but other stuff. This is the try-out reminder, be nice to each other. You may be teammates for a long time and become good friends. And, that no one is above the Club/team. Even a Mia2 (as I have seen posted). LOL

Good luck out there.

Anonymous said...

I actually have the post directly above the 4:01 post too. They were supposed to be together. Same message to all the kids moving to other teams; trying out, whatever, remember your Team!

Anonymous said...

529 ..

do you really think that not posting stats changes anything? Impact kids are well known to all. These points are all distractions from the reality. It is an individual pursuit wrapped in a team game.Coaches come to see players and not teams. Rival PDA? World Class have rivalled PDA with players that many consider weak.

Wake up people.

Anonymous said...

So true. The girls may be friends but doesn't it come down to the parents? At my NPL club, parents don't even talk to each other anymore . Parents sneaking their kids to ID camps and other parents mad they did not tell them about it. Then we have players tweeting out their verbal commits ( Rutgers, what a surprise, wink, wink) . And the coach is so hounded by the parents of the players with no options....so sad what this beautiful game has become. Weak players committed and talented players ignored, just because certain parents played the game and drank the kook aid.

Anonymous said...

I think the stats are problematic. Yes everyone knows who the impact players are but the stats can be kind of like salt in the wounds and disrupt chemistry. It's kind of in your face. However the college coaches do look at them. I had an older kid who had the coach email her in congratulations after a productive weekend. Yes world class actually probably has the best attacking player in the northeast. Their supporting cast is more than adequate and getting better.

Anonymous said...

How does one play the game?

Anonymous said...

11:10 - not sure but maybe the poster meant played the politics game.

Anonymous said...

11:03 - my gosh. That is awful. Plenty of soccer to play out there.

Anonymous said...

Could someone please explain "politics" in getting the kids ahead? Is it the manager's kid getting the nod to id2 when she's questionable? No politics make a college coach risk his reputation or spend his money irresponsibly. Does anyone really think that parental money had anything to do with it? Aren't we really just talking about human subjective opinions on players? Might it shock someone if a coach's
opinion on their child differed from his own? Soccer is largely subjective although becoming less so as services are now available to count and map passes. Count tackles and goal creating etc. But at the youth level these tools don't exist so we are reliant mostly on our memories...flawed at that.

Anonymous said...

If a club coach gives a college coach a bad assessment on a kid the college coach will stop asking him his opinion. It is too important to the college coach who sees recruitment as half of his job. Sometimes teams seem to have a "pipeline" to certain schools. This isn't politics its a college coach's recognition that a certain club prepares its players well to play his style and he trusts the club coach/DOC to steer the right kids his way and vice versa.

Anonymous said...

6:30 AM
If you do not think there are girls on teams because of politics (parental connections to the coach or parental benefits to the coach) you are a bit naive. At this level a coach needs to cater to the club first by putting a team on the field that can compete while at the same time keeping certain "boosters" happy. Whether that booster is the Manager/treasurer or the field rep (and by field rep I mean the parent handing out player sheets at games). There also seems to be agreements made with core players moving en masse. In some respects if a parent is contributing maybe their daughter should be rewarded. Other decisions don't make sense so the knee jerk reaction from the parents of the kid negatively impacted is oh the coach has his favorites. We have good players on our team, but the team could be better by attrition of some of the "superstar" player/parents. I think the build for next year is mostly coaches selections based on familiarity but not club allegiance. meaning he picked based on parents as the pool of players was pretty even. And in case you are wondering I am a licensed coach on the boys side, I have actually made decisions to select/not select a player based on their parent due to the extra effort it would take to manage the parent, and I indicated to them why I made my decision. As a coach my responsibility is to the team, putting the best 11 on the field, and trying to get the next 7 to the same level. Not all coaches function this way when their primary income only comes from soccer. They are looking for the next thing, and if they can show good placement of players to the next level this helps their resume. My daughters coach is an @$$, but he will not be her coach next year, and hopefully be out of coaching soon.

Anonymous said...

7:59 AM

Well Said. THere are local relationships that work. Finding the right ones is part of the "Parent Game".

Anonymous said...

806 As an apparently knowledgeable parent, how could you expose your daughter to such a poor coach? was he a replacement for a team on which she had been playing? Did you learn anything in this mistake to pass on to us with younger kids in a buyer beware type of tip?

What percentage of kids do you think are on rosters because of "politics"? I can tell you that the manager and brochure handers out on my kid's team play less than most of the other kids so those politics don't seem relevant as far as play time. I don't know who makes donations or whatever else might influence selections and play time. Had one team contribute a few kids to the roster last year, but only one starts. When the roster is 20 it doesn't seem like a travesty that the manager's kid is in the lower third of the roster by my read, but then maybe I am naïve.

Anonymous said...

8:46 AM

The club made some interesting coaching decisions coming into the season and we started with a new coach. Once we were locked in after the new year started there was little we could do that would not cost us a double fee. My “Buyer beware” is if you are on a team and your player is getting playing time and progressing, if she likes her teammates and you like the parents stay. If you like the coach and they are staying with the team – stay. If you are new to the team find out if most of the players have been with the team (more importantly the coach) for a few years. If you are new ask the coach why they brought your daughter in, reputation or potential they saw during tryouts. At U16 very few additions should be made to a team. Ask the coach what his roster size will be, if you are on an ECNL team be aware of the subbing rules (If your daughter is not starting she will most likely see 15 minutes or under a half). Most coaches will not move a player from the bench to a starting role unless there is an injury or they really see that a bench player has overtaken a starter (usually through practices, that is why most practices are scrimmage based starters vs subs). As far as politics, good players will always see playing time. I think politics is the wrong word. What I have seen as a parent is different from what I experience as a coach. As a coach If I see a parent wanting to genuinely help and I can trust their son on the field I will take that into consideration, to another parent that may look like politics. But being helpful and QUIET as a parent may buy your player a few extra minutes. Oh, and a parent will never change a coaches mind regarding playing time for their child, in fact a parent questioning a coach as to why their child is not playing almost guarantees that they will see less time.

Anonymous said...

1103

Commitment is not necessarily an indicator of a players quality. Is is an indicator of a match between school and player. Duke usually attracts the top players so yes, a Duke commit is usually a top player. Maybe your stronger players are trying to get interest from the top soccer schools where the competition is fierce. On balance, I don't really understand or value early commits unless they are to the real top schools. I think the whole early commit thing is more ego based than necessity.

Anonymous said...

Well if your kid is offered 70% or more to go to a large university with lots of potential options for study. It's hard to pass over even if its not Duke or UVA. Some of the education part is what the kid makes of it.

Anonymous said...

1116 I agree with you. Its an important decision tho no? many jump at the first offer thinking they will not get others. I happen to think they will.

Anonymous said...

Getting a 70% plus offer to a major conference soccer school as a sophomore is usually an indicator that there are more to come. Our dd had this happen and worried about it. Told she had 2 weeks to decide. After two weeks when she said need more time, the coach didn't pull it he upped the offer to full. How many of you have had games played like this? We also had a coach tell us he was going to make an offer to our child if we flew to the campus for a visit. Got there and he says to her, have to see you in such and such tournament before we understand where you fit in our class. Feel like we wasted a lot of time and money. Any one else strewn along? Not sure how common these games are. Really wish this would all move back and we could use the 5 or is it 6 "official visits" the NCAA allows and no one uses more than 1 because they all committed before.

Anonymous said...

1:46 PM

A gaurenteed full ride to a major school as a sophomore. Congrats, I assume your daughter "Mallory" will be happy with her spot on the National team in Rio this summer as well. Because I would think a full ride as a sophomore also indicates that your daughter is also on the NT playing meaningful minutes in international events.

Anonymous said...

Nope you have a warped sense of reality. Solid players get big offers at lower performing schools in major conferences as sophomores. These schools know they aren't getting the GNT players so they go to the next level kids. They have just as much money to use up. I know defenders, midfielders and attacking players with 100% offers in this class. My kid is apparently one of them but that tier is very large and full of excellent, but not Mallory-type players

Anonymous said...

224

this is the whole point. 239 is spot on. the $$ are there to be spent. Elite players rarely go to these schools. they go to one of a handful. The schools in that handful are so desirable that kids will go there with less money because they are that prestigious. it leaves a whole lot of cash to be divided up amongst usually lesser players. If you want $$ then these are the places to go. A good, not great player can get mucho dinero. Another reason why people talking about commits and pct rides means very little with no context. Now if you tell me a kid has a full ride to Duke...ok. That is very impressive.

Anonymous said...

2:39 - and keepers (or maybe you are already including them in defense category).

Anonymous said...

Is your daughter's best education a part of the decision? Or is the hope of Ellis shaking her hand when she graduates more important? There are so many soccer options and opportunity after college, better get into that prestigious D1 school!!! :)
Yes, it's sarcasm...

Anonymous said...

Education is the biggest part of it. And yes, she can use her soccer to get a better education. We are not interested in more $$ to a school that we feel offers less for her. But a Stanford, Duke, UVA, ND and a few others. Now these are places where a soccer playing kid can get the bet of all worlds

Anonymous said...

It always fall back to somehow you have to sacrifice education if your kid goes to a power five to play soccer and study and you are therefore somehow lacking as a parent to counsel her to accept the offer. Personally I think this opinion is propagated by the people with lower level kids in aussaging their angst over their child's lesser options. News flash - all the power fives provide outstanding educational opportunities for your children. Even Florida State one of the lesser respected academic institutions in the ACC would provide a student athlete with excellent grades a top platform for acceptance into say an MBA program or medical school. Further they offer unbelievable academic support services improving your child's chances of the highest academic success.

Here's a question:
If your kid get's into Duke, but the soccer team isn't interested in her for even a roster spot, but she can play on a 50% scholarship and study at nearby highly regarded Elon; what to do you there? Of course this hypothetical is not reality because the kid would have to make a choice on going to Elon before she would know whether she was accepted at Duke. But one might be thinking hypothetically along these lines...
My opinion is that graduate school labels carry the most weight with employers. I was an intercollegiate athlete and I know that my athletics smoothed my way into top graduate schools, just as my high school athletics made a top undergraduate program a reality for me. I am counseling my kid in my hypothetical scenario to go to Elon.

Anonymous said...

I should qualify my comment. I am really talking about early commitment. Every kids/family has to weigh up their own options on the basis of how they rate their chances of achieving their No1 goal. I can really answer your hypothetical as I don't feel my child is in the position you describe.

Anonymous said...

Thank you for the comments.

At 8:16 and your "top undergraduate program", is your daughter considering it (as a legacy). Wouldn't she have a leg up already? Don't family athletic/genetics come into it as well (have MLB; nat'l championships in DI college in other sports, etc in our bloodline; they seem to love this).

Anonymous said...

3:00 5/18 - how do you achieve this if your kids' position is already filled at like a Duke, Stanford, etc. Getting in isn't a problem, academically, let's say. Just wondering how your hypothetical would occur.

Anonymous said...

5/18 - 10:01

Agreed about the early commit thing. I think some kids panic or just commit because they can move forward re all of it. I agree with you. It's silly. If it works, great. Otherwise, why choose a school because your friend already picked one. Well, the mind of a teenager; it is an enigma.

Anonymous said...

Lol for sure. But I think the parents of these sophomores are very much involved in guiding their children. It can be exhausting both physically and financially with visits, missed days of school and work and even airline tickets. Some may have to fight the urge to "just get it over with". Can't allow fatigue to push an adolescent into a poor decision.

Anonymous said...

9:45 - agreed. Otherwise, they are back home after school; living in your basement for a long time. :)

Anonymous said...

And add the stress of these showcases and the colleges watching and it gets really rough. The quest for pain relief could easily result in a mistake as it often does from the transfer rates.

Anyone else's 10th grader feeling a lot of pressure coming into Memorial Day tournaments and coaches telling them they need to see them one last time before decisions are made...

Anonymous said...

do you think it matters to have the best players on the field in these showcases?

Anonymous said...

Matters for what?
I think that some players at some positions need a certain level of quality around them to shine. A striker with no service and the ball in her defensive half the whole game will have trouble showing well. An attacking midfielder less of an issue because she can play many players through, but they don't score. The coaches see the well weighted pass and vision and don't care that the ball wasn't finished. A defender can show good 1v1 defensive abilities, but if her fellow back line players don't understand defensive principles as well as she, it will take a really keen eye to see a defensive breakdown near her for what it is. GK are a real exception. They can be overlooked if their team dominates and they see no action. However, they lose a 1vgoal battle and can get scratched off on one play. But if the back line won't listen and you are distracted by trying to organize them, you might be slightly late to a ball in the box etc.

That said, I think it a travesty if kids don't get at least half a game at showcases. It sends a message to the coaches if they aren't playing and seems to violate what should be part of a soccer clubs mission to expose its players to potentially go to the next level.

Anonymous said...

So PDA without some of the best players is an issue for you.

Anonymous said...

4:09 - Thinking your are saying PDA tourney. If your roster doesn't have depth, it can be. Some kids are not plug and play. They are plug and PRAY. lol

For instance, put a girl who normally plays up top on the back line. Looks good on paper,right? Wrong. She doesn't know how to read the shooter; never taught. Can't seem to transfer what she does to read what she would do.

Her mind says "get the ball" not "control the player with the ball." So, continuously leaves her player to get the ball.

So, she causes corners and fouls instead of getting them (because that is what she used to do up top). And, because she doesn't understand keeper instructions on what she should do to control the player, when to drop, when to take the ball, when to release, she then over commits and doesn't pay attention or thinks she knows better.

So, the ONLY thing turning is her head as her runner goes right past her.

Speaking from recent team experience. Put several of those out there, not a fun time.



Anonymous said...

NT players from u15-U18 are unlikely to attend the PDA Showcase. The USSF H coaches will not be there either. This was a big carrot for players to perform. Some teams more affected than others.

Anonymous said...

Isn't PDA about college coaches finding kids, too? And, depending on where you go to college, NT could find you there.

Anonymous said...

Yes PDA is about colleges seeing and finding players. But also can't deny it is, at least for the best, a chance to play for national scouts. All the ECNL DOCs put in a list of players by birth year for the USSF scouts to see. The scouts will still be there but of course the head coaches will not. It may affect future camps invites. USSF won't completely snub ECNL next year because they are still trying to collect the best players. But this snub was definitely a shot heard round the world and a message to DOCs join DA or you will be second tier scouting for our national teams and we will make sure all the best kids hear that message.

Anonymous said...

How many DA's are they thinking will be approved? Do you think 1/3 of the current clubs will become DA's or less?

Anonymous said...

I think many of the boys DA clubs will become girls DA. I think most of the ECNL clubs will become DA. I think there was a press conference at one point where they said there would be 80 clubs. My question is what happens to the ECNL rule that the top team in the club will be the ECNL team? The DA won't accept less than the top team. The high school rule may keep some of the top players on ECNL rather than DA

Anonymous said...

805

If what you just said is true, then it is a complete waste of time. Do not even bother to start a DA

Anonymous said...

So when would this start (DA), immediately or 2017-18, if you know? Sounds like way too many (80 proposed).

Anonymous said...

I just rechecked the article it said 60-80 clubs

Anonymous said...

still way too many. DA is going to have a hard time being good enough because of the sheer size of the country. maybe in a few years, but not immediately. The "if you build it they will come" approach wont work because right now to get in to a College most player don't need to improve.

Anonymous said...

How many boys' DA's are there?

Anonymous said...

Any interesting match ups at PDA this weekend?

Anonymous said...

yes as a matter fact there is the pda gunners have to play so cal blues crossfire premiere and Indiana fire all top 5 teams in the nation

Anonymous said...

817

Not interesting and not top 5 when XFire without best player and SoCal missing at least 3 of their best. PDA unaffected by NT call ups so advantage PDA I guess.

Anonymous said...

The best players on most of the U16 teams are currently 99s. The camps are 00 and 01s. However, you are right the crossfire team will be missing their dominant attacking player. The Indiana fire will be missing their 00 GK but their 99 GK has played in more games hard to say which is the better. so cal I think is only missing a defender. I think all but the Washington team will be relatively unaffected.

Anonymous said...

1244

Blues have 2 players in Europe and 1 in Oregon. so yes 3.
However you want to slice it, taking great players off all the teams totally changes the game.

Enjoy it, but its not what it could be. USSF has no cares about ECNL showcases.

Anonymous said...

I think that only one of the blues players is a full time u16 the other is a discovery player who plays for Carlsbad national league team full time. I don't think she plays a huge amount of games for them. Both are defenders (well SE plays CM for Carlsbad)but CB on the U16GNT and now training with the U17s. I think the Washington will feel the most impact from players missing.

Anonymous said...

Fact. All three teams, and others have their best players missing. given the choice, these kids chose USSF. I would expect most kids of that level to choose USSF if given a decent product and a choice. DA success will rely on more players. This is where it all breaks down. If I were in charge of building a girls DA, there would be ONE team per club and a developmental squad. If good enough, you can play whether you are 13 or 18. With elite girls, I think you can get away with it unlike boys.

Back to ECNL NJ. Its a shame that some of the matchups are not the best vs the best.

Anonymous said...

Disagree I think there should be fewer clubs but have 2 teams. You must not have a late puberty girl. There is still a lot of variability. I think you are right that there will be an egress of national level players to whichever clubs are granted DA. However, I don't think there will be enough second tier kids willing to give up high school for the DA. Hence I think you may see top kids and rosters filled with third tier kids. Second tier kids in it for college RPI 50-200 I don't see making the sacrifice if the ECNL provides a viable alternative. Potential for a cluster. FYI THERE IS a big difference between giving up a ECNL showcase for national camp and giving up High school soccer for a chance to play DA if there is a high level alternative there to support your goal of mid major soccer. It will be interesting to see how this all pans out next year.

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