Wednesday, July 20, 2016

U17G - U16 Girls Youth Soccer

This page is focused on Under 17 girls youth soccer, primarily in Region 1 but everyone is invited to share and post.

Teams face increased competition for the top players, (who are increasingly attending college showcases).

More teams consolidate and the best teams--academy soccer, club soccer and high school teams--battle to attract and retain the right player mix.

Stay tuned. This is bound to be good.

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Anonymous said...

1119

I could not disagree more. The issue is the players NOT the coaches. Players need to spend time on their own working on ball striking and finishing. Skills like these are a casualty of the lack of free play and practice. get 5 balls, go to a soccer field and strike them do that for 30 mins 3 days a week. Don't need coaching for that.

Anonymous said...

11:53 AM

While I agree that players need to practice their shots/skills on their own it seems like coaches have a scheme that prevents winning. What I mean is that must formations are 4-4-2 4-5-1 and play possession/reset/recover, push the ball forward to the offensive 3rd and then reset if there isn't a cross or a foul. I see very little 1v1 drills, hardly any ball work drills. Training is mostly short sided games or full field scrimmage. Even with 3-4 practices a week. And if you are practicing 3-4 times a week an individual 30 minutes a day is a lot. Granted girls that want to improve their game will put in the extra effort, but if you are chastised by a coach for using your skills (or continually harangued by teammates to pas-pass-pass) will you really put in the effort? The only position I see that gets individualized training are the keepers, and that is when a day is set aside just for keeper training (usually an extra day of training).

Anonymous said...

10:04am - There are lots of goals at this age, depending on what level of play you go and watch. If you go and see an intramural game on a local field you will see many games with scores like 5-3. As the level of play increases players practice more frequently together and understand the importance of working as a team and keeping shape, this makes it much harder to break teams down which reduces chances and goals. As level of play increases, goals scored per game should reduce. The average goals per game in the Euro championship group stages was 1.92, not BC of poor players or poor finishing, but bc of good organized team defending.
Individual 1:1 defending improves as the level improves also, it is difficult for any individual player to beat 2 defenders and score so ball movement becomes important. A lack of goals does not indicate a poor game of soccer or even lack of quality. It wasn't long ago that there was a movement to increase the size of the goals and break the game into quarters when the USA won the world cup bid. An average of 2 to 3 goals per game is the norm for high level soccer.

Anonymous said...

So based on TDS here are the list of clubs with College commitments, top 50 seems to be a gap with the ECNL Teams.
2016 Grad

Team
Allegheny Force 1
Beadling SC 5
Continental FC DELCO 6
FC Bucks 9
FC Bucks/Villa Joseph Marie 1
FC Europa 1
FC Philadelphia 2
FC Providence 1
FC Revolution 1
Foothills SC (PA) 1
Hershey YSA 1
HMMS Eagle FC 1
Keystone SC (PAW) 1
LDC United 8
PA Crew Academy 1
Penn Fusion 6
Pittsburgh Riverhounds 3
Super Nova FC 1
Grand Total 50


2017 Grads
Team
Beadling SC 12
Continental FC DELCO 4
North Union United SC 2
PA Classics 1
PA Rush 1
PDA 1
Penn Fusion 12
Penn Legacy 1
Pittsburgh Riverhounds 6
Yardley Makefield Soccer 3
Keystone Athletic 1
FC Revolution 1
Warrington SC 1
Patriot FC 1
FC Bucks 2
HMMS Eagle FC 1
Grand Total 50

Anonymous said...

Quality of attacking play is poor. Its that simple. Far easier to organize a team than it is to encourage creativity. There is very little creativity in any of these tams and very little attacking talent.

Anonymous said...

An observation I have from a few games this weekend. It looked like the less skilled players are being put up top. Faster more skilled players are either outside backs or midfield. There is still a few teams that try to play balls through the middle or over the top but if the striker needs to dribble more then 5 yards they are usually shut down. CB's role has changed as well, mostly holding the line and stopping through balls, sometimes it resembles kick ball. And in all of this the keepers are facing fewer shots and becoming a sweeper or shot blocking specialist on free kicks and restarts. I want Joga Bonita back (The Beautiful Game!)

Anonymous said...

Its not ball striking necessarily that's the problem. I have seen many kids put through 1vgoal who do not have a strategy for dealing with a keeper 1v1.
I also see quite a few crosses being wiffed or shot wide or even over the goal from the 6. I see kids who are striking the ball well in practice but without the pressure of a defender on them. can't practice this stuff by oneself.

Anonymous said...

1:20 is on the mark

The "but she strikes the ball so well in practice" also denotes that there is a mental aspect - a striker needing to shut the defense out of her mind - just her and the ball - during game play.

Basketball has similar hurdles. Shot should be the same - whether defended or not.

Anonymous said...

Re the commits listed, I would not rely, solely, on TDS as far as reporting commits. There are other websites that add to those counts. You have to do an overlay of information. Can't explain why, but it is what it is.

Anonymous said...

@ 2:01 - hahahaha. Not my kid's team. She's a keeper.

She saved/stopped probably well over 100 shots this year. Her team plays very aggressively (only drops 3 when she is in most times) regardless of the score. And, not all kids can play defense (including the keeper in the defense)in an aggressive system. Takes time to develop chemistry/trust and an understanding re organization/direction.

But, when you play aggressively, apply a lot of high pressure, and some kids don't drop, you will get shots, breakaways, all of it. So, she has had her share of circus saves. lol

If I can also lend an observation to the lack of scoring, not only are the keepers more skilled (less goals as most clubs are paying more attention to training for that position then ever before), but some kids get buck fever and just shoot without paying attention to where they are on the field. When you are in certain positions on the field, you shoot the ball differently (more pace, more curve, etc.).

Anonymous said...

FC copa U16 & U17 both finalists out in Colorado at the end of NPL playoffs. I'd say NJ soccer is alive & well for those age groups. Maybe a matchup is in order between O'Reilly & Celeste, and Gunners & Milan, for New Jersey bragging rights?

Anonymous said...

Seriously...
Colorado NPL "finals". B league. NEFC knows it as they are blowing through the competition and about move to the ECNL to play some decent competition.

Anonymous said...

....and some not so decent - lets be honest

Anonymous said...

Interesting how mainline schools have aligned with a certain club. Not only is the Elite Soccer world hoping to place girls in College, it looks like they are placing them (or getting them) from the preps. Mo Money.....

Anonymous said...

The northeast ECNL offers the most consistent competition in region 1. 2 teams out of 4 to Finals. Not huge GD. An on any given day... situation for the vast majority of games.

Anonymous said...

are parents paying for kids to be on outstanding teams or for their kids to get better individually? The metrics that parents use to measure success seem to revolve around how well the team does. Is that even relevant ?

Anonymous said...

12:38
Since you brought up the subject.
Northeast ECNL may offer the best competition in Region 1 but maybe not all the best teams.
You had a lowly NPL beat them in every game played against them. Quickstrike beat the 2nd place WC team, the 2nd place Alby team TWICE plus Penn Fusion. Add into that 2 wins over the first place Mid Altlantic champ Virginia FC. Pretty sure NEFC would have done the same.

Anonymous said...

1:01 PM
In order to be recruited you need to contact coaches, but some teams have what I call the vapor trail recruits. If the team does well or has a few Blue Chips then being aligned with that team does garner more attention.
My personal experience with my daughter. When we first came to an ECNL team we were under the impression that level of training would be up to the level of play. after two years and over $10K we found that was not the case. Training was lackluster most players/families are individuals and most teams buy players, which is to say that the teams are made up of individuals who play well, the training is focused on what 11 to put on the field that offers the best opportunity for the coach as well as the "booster" families. If your child is 1 of the booster 11 then you are happy. There are also relationships that keep kids on the field, not necessarily the best 11 or the best prepared (look at the ECNL standings for the 3 local PA teams across the age groups). Also in the cross league competitions (Jeff Cup/Bethesda etc) the ECNL teams will usually win more then they lose but usually not by much. The issue now is at U17 (Junior year) we make the decision to stay because of the traction we have. The Club will not be a GDA so read into that what you will, there are new coaches so maybe the training will improve. The investment is in maintaining contacts already made and staying where they know you are.

Anonymous said...

Did QS beat a full WC roster? No. Too many people look at results and extrapolate to who is better than who. Clearly you can only play whomever is there and QS are a good team Im sure, but they are just not better that the bulk of the NE ECNL teams. I dont care how many they have beaten. Put then in the league and they would be in the middle of the pack. Not at the top and not at the bottom.

Anonymous said...

kept hearing how Tophat would dominate the ECNL. Never happened. Playing good teams, week in week out is a lot different than playing a weak schedule and then getting all excited to play an ECNL team. NE league play is a grind and all the games are competitive

Anonymous said...

202

it sounds like you are in the wrong Club.

Anonymous said...

2:19 PM
Yep. My daughter likes her teammates, which was split due to the Age reclassification. The new team is a mix of in club and newcomers where you can begin to see new allegiances with the new coach bringing in "his" players. There were also offers made where players signed a commitment but have not been level placed. Basically the club is dual carding ECNL/NPL and will decide on Game day which team/bench the girls should report to. Maybe great for inter team rivalries but cannot say it helps the players in their most important recruiting year.

Anonymous said...

2:16
I don't think you can downplay the QS team accomplishments against our ECNL clubs this year. I saw them play at Jeff Cup and they played several very good games against Alby and Va. I don't think many other teams in Mid Atlantic or NE are capable of that type of play.

Anonymous said...

Lets be honest, PDA is where it is because it created a monopoly, and has Nike to promote its marketing. The best CA clubs left ECNL by Year 2 because the ECNL competition was so weak, and now are in the National league. Don't you think the CA clubs are laughing their butts off about the recent articles claiming that US soccer can't exist without PDA? Yes, many of PDAs ECNL teams are very good, no denying it, but so are teams from all around the country. If I recall correctly, last year PDA only had 1 team vying for an ECNL championship, but MFA had more, and that's just here in their own backyard.

I thought the mission of the GDA was to break down the ECNL monopolies and let free market competition reign. No more ID2, with only ECNL girls being invited. Until those barriers are dissolved, US soccer will never be great.

Anonymous said...

248 . Please im laughing too hard.

Anonymous said...

Like I said ECNL most consistent competition. never said anything differently. Don't need you to correct me. Will be even more consistent next year with NEFC. Who will be left for Quickstrike play? The 2000 ECNL will sit the junior committed kids in non ecnl events and roster play-ups like they did last year. Is Quickstrike 00 or 99 next year anyway? Most of the NEFC super kids are 2000. Wonder if their best player will play up? She's also a star of the region 1 ODP team.

Anonymous said...

The blue chip effect is a real advantage for players 2- about 6 on the roster. There is a penumbra around the blue chippers. They draw coaches to the games. There are many kids who have been offered spots on rosters to decent scholarships because they got ID'd when a coach came to their game to see the blue chipper and player #3 had a great game. I wonder of coaches tell blue chippers to put off committing so that more and higher level coaches are recorded at the games to keep parents thinking they are seeing value from their investment.

Anonymous said...

Super kids? Seriously? The hype is just not consistent with reality. The top kids will be playing for a WC this year. The next level are in the national pool.

Anonymous said...

Yes exactly...
What I said, at this age which YNT kids are not ECNL? Quickstrike have some? FC PA? Nope...

Anonymous said...

What's your definition of a "blue chipper"? Mine is a player that top 10 schools regularly come to see when they are 8th graders through 9th grade and are usually committed with greater than 80% athletic (unless we are talking Duke or UVA which rarely offer 100%) by the middle of 10th grade. Yes they almost always have been to a national camp, have extensive id2 and/or regional ODP accolades, and/or are dramatically better than the other kids in some way- speed, goal scoring, ballskills-vision together. These latter types often find their way into a national camp as a late bloomer in later age camps U18 and above.

Anonymous said...

@1:22 - hi. Would like to chime in re Quickstrike and PF game played at CASL; the first game of the season for the brand new PF team who didn't have some players that were on Composite so kids were out of position.

It also didn't help that the refs would not let them change their jerseys as they were in white and Quickstrike was in very light blue; in the sun. There is a reason the teams wear stark contrasting colors. When you look up to pass, you may not see the player but the jersey. But, **it happens so it goes.

But, then, PF played Syracuse Development (another NPL team who has beaten Quickstrike several times; incuding at CASL). Beat them Syracuse Development 2-0.

Quickstrike is very good. But, they have off days, too. It's any given Sunday sometimes.


Anonymous said...

@6:57 - i think some YNT players in Cali or Region III area may dual roster with USYS and ECNL which is very rare, but happens. May not continue with the age group changes and all the other USSF changes. But, we'll see.

Anonymous said...

@ 2:16 - did QS play FC Stars (ECNL) and/or PDA (ECNL); two of the 4 in the ECNL Nat'l Championships from this region? Just curious as I don't know.

Anonymous said...

@952
The dual roster players were originally USYSA (mostly) players told by colleges and the USSF to bring up their competition level and they became "discovery players" for ECNL. Younger ages there are quite a few non ECNL national players. The only region 1 player above u15 that I know was SM at FC Revs and u18 YNT. She's discovery player now for PF. But she was playing up and coached by her father who is fantastic.

Anonymous said...

714

you have to define top 10 :)

can we say in no particular order(Soccer ONLY)

UNC,Duke,UVA,UCLA,Stanford,FSU,Penn State....not sure who else really.

Anonymous said...

USC, Clemson, Florida would round out my top 10. I am not sure Duke has been consistent enough soccerwise over the last few years. Yes CC finalist but 8th in the ACC almost didn't make the tournament. Total body of work was questionable over the last couple of years. But academically wow. So in combination would for sure put it in my top 10 for a kid looking to play in college. Clemson continues to rise and the school is more than decent. The SEC is pumping money into its programs so I think Florida addition is fair. the 2015 number one player went to Tennessee. USC is a great school with a great coach and on the rise. Another consideration would be Notre Dame. Some of the big 10s might be making a move like Michigan and Wisconsin both outstanding schools. Some of the top 5 don't give full scholarships to many if any players. Some choose "lesser" programs who freely offer 100% to the blue chippers. Can make the difference in choices.

I am using top 10 somewhat euphemistically. Blue chippers will draw coaches from the top 5 schools in the top 6 conferences. When you see the schools you and I have mentioned on your coaches list for a tournament, you know there is at least one blue chipper on the team.

Anonymous said...

9:35
Not having seen the PF came vs Quickstrike so I can't really comment on the jersey issue but I would think it would be tough for both teams. Someone else commented on whether or not they played Stars or PDA but looking at their history it does not appear they did. From what iI can see is it looks like they had a great stretch of showcases were they pretty much used the showcase events as an opportunity to show they have some very good quality players and proved against some the better Eastern ECNL clubs. I did look at the commits from the team and saw Notre Dame and 3 to Uconn. Maybe not top 10 programs but nothing to ignore, clearly they have some outstanding players who could easily fit into ECNL programs. 1-2 wins maybe a fluke but 6-7 is a mark of a very good team that must be well coached. Good for them and it just supports how many good programs exist in the Northeast.

Anonymous said...

925

Agreed. Especially re Duke. I only put them on there because i think others would. Your additions are fair. I guess its pretty clear to em that when you really get down to it soccer wise, the elite is a very very small group. I have always thought this. Schools like U Conn used to be, but have fallen off. No disrespect to anyone, but I am only overly impressed when I see players getting early offers from schools on that list because they really do seem to have their pick of the cream of the crop.

Anonymous said...

935

People mock this, but its true. Many ECNL teams use these non ECNL events to get PT for kids who they dont use often in the ECNL regular season. WClass top players did not even travel for NEWSS. I got nothing against QS, but you just cannot use showcase results vs ECNL teams as evidence of quality.

Anonymous said...

11:05
Certainly some truth to what you say but also hard to ignore that many wins. ECNL should have enough depth to beat NPL teams. Need to be very careful as people used the same approach with the PDA win over Colorado at the recent Championships. Do we put an asterisk next to that win? This is not any different.

Eric Harris said...

11:05 I know its for sake of conversation but PDA beat Real Colorado at full strength out in San Diego on April 2 with a score of 1-0. Now to be devils advocate lets just say Real Colorado got better since the last meeting. Well lets look at the numbers or the course of the next few months until they met again in the finals Real Colorado went 6-0-2 and PDA went 17-0-3 until meeting Real Colorado. When Real Colorado played PDA the first time Real Colorado was already in there season and at the end of their season which in theory you would say that they were as good as they were going to get at that point in time of that first game. PDA was just starting their season really so they had room to get better and grow. PDA beat them at that point in time and when the second meeting took place in the Finals and not to take anything away from Real Colorado because they are a talented bunch of young ladies but no matter if they were missing kids the results would have been the same if they were there. Look at the numbers and against lets say TOP Talent......PDA has not given up ONE (1) goal to any of the so called top players in the country not one (1). So again the (*) would never apply or could lol lol lol.

As far as QUICKSTRIKE......I seen them at Jeff Cup play and they are the real deal I don't care what anyone says they are legit as well as NEFC they are really good. They could handle any team in the ECNL and do very well against any of the competition including PDA.

Eric Harris

Anonymous said...

no one said the couldn't. What was said was they are one of MANY good teams, but not the best. Not sure what the Real Colorado stuff has to do with it.

Anonymous said...

I quote

2:16
I don't think you can downplay the QS team accomplishments against our ECNL clubs this year. I saw them play at Jeff Cup and they played several very good games against Alby and Va. I don't think many other teams in Mid Atlantic or NE are capable of that type of play.

i disagree. I think there are many competitive teams on the east Coast. SO no, I dont put NEFC or QS in a special category and if they were in the ECNL the results would probably bear that out. As far as Mr Harris being able top predict results basis who is or is not playing, i leave that alone.

Anonymous said...

Original poster probably was referring to Non ECNL clubs

Eric Harris said...

Sorry but I didn't predict any scores.....If I did I am sorry. What I meant to say or show is a FACT.....lololol No prediction there just FACT

Eric Harris

Anonymous said...

Quote

not to take anything away from Real Colorado because they are a talented bunch of young ladies but no matter if they were missing kids the results would have been the same if they were there. Look at the numbers and against lets say TOP Talent......PDA has not given up ONE (1) goal to any of the so called top players in the country not one (1).

F Catiana Lychywek, Solar Chelsea SC U16 - Lychywek might have scored the game of the weekend. She brought down a free kick with her chest and then scissor volleyed it home from 15 yards out for the equalizer in the final minutes of the game. It was a downright audacious attempt for that stage of the game, and she converted. A tremendous amount of skill and athletic ability had to go into that moment, but she showed those same qualities throughout the game.

??

I guess not a top player then.

Anonymous said...

Hey Ed
How's the 2000 PDA team looking? If all your 00s are playing on age I am going to be shuddering when my kid has to go up against your girls. Please tell me some are playing up...

Eric Harris said...

K, lol lol lol like I said "TOP" Talent and those aren't my words I think every kid is TOP talent but I know how you TopDrawer junkies read into those stats but when I talk about TOP Talent I speak of those young ladies in our national pool or teams as the girls that were missing during our final. Like I told you and our other brother I think Solar Chelsea is LEGIT and a great team but also at that dinner I told you that PDA was the best team in the COUNTRY and you guys begged to differ but I stuck to that and I guess I was right lol lol but certainly there are some very talented kids thoughout this country that aren't considered TOP Talent but in my honest opinion as a country whoever is picking that TOP TALENT is wearing in my opinion some rose color glasses.

Eric Harris

Anonymous said...

Hey Ed,

In regards to top talent. National pool is a beauty contest hosted locally and eventually true talent from the small pool rise to the top. What I mean to say is that until now, and I really do not think it will change with GDA, girls selected localy are selectd based on familiarity with the selectors. If you look at ODP over the years the local ODP coaches choose from within first and then round out the teams with club reccomendations, most ODP teams are built prior to tryouts and I believe similarly the 2017 GDA teams already have at least 10 names on each roster. I am not saying that most of the girls don't deserve the opportunity but I am saying that other girls who do not have the connections are just as talented. It also goes to the push into less affluent neighborhoods and selecting players to give them the opportunity. There is either a fovritism link or an agenda that helps build these teams. Add to that the eventual coaches style of play bias and you have a system that pretty much locks out 99% of the rest of the players. One other exception to getting in the pool is what I call the booster parents that have aligned with coaches to get their kids an edge. Then there is the tie in to parents of notariaty (wink) - ex-Athletes themselves that suggests a strong upside.

Anonymous said...

Had the displeasure of being at a game with Riverhound parents. What a classless act. Not surprising given their coach getting tossed from the game. Yes, the officiating was terrible but it went both ways.

Anonymous said...

834. What are you talking about? NT pool has zero to do with ODP. GDA is not NT either. Of course a coaches play style is going to influence every team selection. The whole favoritism, bias, booster parents etc is just a non issue to me. This goes on in every single walk of life where there is a selection and opinions. All I can say is that some kids have absolutely paid their dues and gone through a lot to get noticed and selected without any of the so called advantages you mention, and all of the kids deserve credit for making the best they can of a system that will always be imperfect.

Anonymous said...

11:13 AM

In your opinion how is the Girls/women's NT built? Where do they pull players from??

Anonymous said...

11:13 - I agree with you, but do think that ODP still helps for recognition. At recent ODP matches, US Soccer was at every game.

Anonymous said...

They have scouting network. The bottom of the pyramid is/was the National Training centers. These run till U15. Any coach can recommend his players and there really is very little check or balance at this stage to the initial recommendation. From there kids start to build their resume. There are other ways including club games, id2, ODP etc. Scouts attend many of these events. do they miss players, sure. Its a big country. Very little of the selection is done on the say so of ONE coach. Is it fair ? define fair. Is it perfect? no- what is? We have this fantasy that NT selection should be perfect in the eyes of every onlooker. No way it ever will be. Practical considerations make it so, but every kid selected is deserving

Anonymous said...

Here is the path path based on 2012 standards:
file:///C:/Users/rweiler/Downloads/US_W-YNT_Program2012.pdf

Anonymous said...

A lot has changed and more will change given DA. Look at the recent team selected for U15 CONCACAF tournament. One kid from NJ is PDA. Coach Carr explains it very well

“I want to congratulate the whole pool of players that we’ve worked with through this cycle over the last 18 months,” said Carr. “It was not easy to narrow down the roster to 18, and that’s a credit to the depth in this age group. Moving forward, I know that the future is very bright for all of these players who are just starting their journey in our National Team programs.”

That is the way I see it.

Anonymous said...

The future of soccer in the US is bright at all levels. This sport has taken off. It is very impressive to see these gals and their level of talent and commitment already. It will be interesting to see how the college game closes in gaps in the various conferences too. All good things for sure.

Just wanted to throw this website out there: Informedathlete.com Offers some info re various levels of this crazy recruiting process and what to expect even after they are in college on scholarship.

If others have similar suggestions and could share, that would be great.

Anonymous said...

http://www.soccerwire.com/news/clubs/youth-girls/roster-announced-for-ecnlid2-national-training-camp/

Anonymous said...

10:57 AM

So out of 100 players named Grand Total of 8 from the "Region" and really only 1 from PA. congrats to the FC Continental player but it looks like we need to come a long way to get some recognition.

Albertson Fury 2
East Meadow Soccer Club 2
FC Continental 1
MatchFit 1
PDA 2

Anonymous said...

This event is superseded by USSF NT camps .USSF events seem to overlay ECNL events often these days.

Anonymous said...

The ECNL ID 2 national camp was scheduled a year ago. Clearly there was no regard for the us club scheduling. If one cross references with previous u16 and u17 rosters many are missing. When are the camps scheduled?

Anonymous said...

Looking at the names, will be interesting to see if PDA has any new faces in NT Camp. With the U17s so far along in the cycle I doubt it there, but maybe U16. oth teams will be in camp in the coming weeks.

Anonymous said...

Does anyone know when the new and expanded National League is announced?

Anonymous said...

2 PDA kids one gk and one defender added to u17 national camp roster to play Brazil. Well deserved. Congrats. I can't find a u16 roster but most of the kids who were on the last are not listed on the id2 roster so I suspect there is indeed a u16 conflicting camp upcoming. Will be interesting to see if PDA 00s are added to the u16 camp. Judging from the respect they got with the 17 adds I would suspect so. However two of their most effective attackers are on the id2 list. Any notable names missing from the id2 rosters? I think the game winning goal scorer isn't listed and maybe she got the nod. Congratulations on this huge accomplishment: both to PDA for their national championship and to the kids going to national and id2 national camps.

Anonymous said...

National League announcement should be around August 2nd.

Anonymous said...

So now that PDA have been recognized, is it still political? USSF have done a fine job in recognizing 2 good players and giving them a chance to show what they can do. Good job by them and huge congrats to the players. Well deserved.

Anonymous said...

Not all spots are political. No one ever said that. What was said is that some of the 00 spots are related to some not so subtle nepotism at stars of mass and their coaches position as an assistant. Other spots not exactly similarly political. Colorado is not the same since no personal gain is garnered by the referral but that their influence is very strong. Indeed it is a great accomplishment for the PDA kids to get there on their own merit. Congrats.

Anonymous said...

ALL kids get there on merit. Why cant you stop there?

Anonymous said...

There are over 3 million registered youth soccer players, if you break it down by age and gender you have approximatley 100K players at any given age. To get recognized in that big of a pool you need a couple of things, the first of which is talent, the next is ability followed by desire, so the most talented dedicated and able players probably tops out at 20K for the age group so now you move to location, area of country, area to major city/soccer region, then eventually down to club affiliation. so any player that makes it through that gautlent and still has either the connections or $$ to push them through most likely desrves it anyway. But on the reverse side there are just as many deserving players that never get close. Just because you buy a ticket for the lottery dosen't mean you are going to Win. I think once you realize the odds, if you are on the inside be grateful, if you are on the outside realize your potential and look at the options of opportunities in college and beyond.

Anonymous said...

@1218

Perfectly put. I would add that from the outside, NT camp sounds so wonderful, but as hard as it is to get a chance,its 10x harder to keep going back. All the qualities you mention are tested as well as the ability to deal with criticism and rejection. Its it a recognition, yes, but its also an environment where over time your weaknesses will be exposed and your ability to deal with that will be tested. It is not a cozy environment at all.

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Anonymous said...

207 take your premise further. Do you think the PDA kids get a look if they are on FC Random? The point is kids cannot change the circumstances under which they are selected. They simply have to try and make the most of it. FC Stars are mentioned a lot. How many FC Stars players are consistent attendees in camps? There are very few special players and even they are overlooked. Most people are biased towards what they see on a consistent basis. I dont think you have enough data to judge other players fairly. Player selection is ALWAYS going to be subjective, so I stand by my comment that ALL the kids deserve it. Its about taking advantage of the breaks you get and any kid who is a consistent attendee is doing that on her own merits.

Anonymous said...

http://www.ussoccer.com/stories/2016/07/28/13/06/160728-u16gnt-heads-to-san-diego-for-24-player-training-camp

Anonymous said...

Would have expected a couple PDA kids in that roster after their great showing this season. I think most of their midfield and attacking players are 00. Seems wrong. They have some amazing players.
The Hawks and Stars kids still there. They are the real deal. But only a few from region 1 the stars kid, a VA kid, WC kid, and a penn fusion kid. Penn Fusin seems to have some connection with the USSF too. They have quite a few in the various pools. Major domination by ECNL.

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Anonymous said...

PDA. Having a great and consistent team does not mean you have the best players.

Anonymous said...

If any kid overcame a setback like getting cut to make a camp, the she deserves all the praise. It's easy when you are wining. It's hard to fight through adversity.

Anonymous said...

The Penn Fusion kid got cut from Strikers because they are a win now team. That kid was tiny at U13. Haven't seen her play recently, but she had sick skills then, if she's grown, the call-up is probably well earned.

Anonymous said...

PDA has some great 00 players. Hence some were chosen for id2 national camp. Subjectivity in the selection process probably excluded them. One has been to a couple of u16 camps. Congrats to them for making id2 and congrats to the two going to u17 camp

Anonymous said...

947 Whilst I agree with your congratulatory sentiment, you sound so petty. Congrats to ALL the kids, especially the ones from our Region. PDA are a great club, but there are some special players on other teams.

Anonymous said...

I don't doubt there are special players flying under the radar. But, is it only money or distance that keeps them from playing on teams that play in venues where national scouts are in attendance. If no real barrier exists shouldn't the club coach encourage them to at least guest for teams where the exposure will be there for them? I think the PF kid travels from Harrisburg to Philadelphia, but not all parents have the time or resources to do that. Other kids, no carpool and how do you get them to training?

Which teams have underrated players? Are they attending events like national level tournaments or regional ODP (NTC is for younger players now) to get the exposure necessary to be considered for national camp? Is there a point in time when a player starts to lose ground because they aren't training and playing at the highest level?
Yes congrats to our 5 region 1 players.

Anonymous said...

The social issues you raise are not going away. Youth sports has a financial barrier to entry. No point worrying about a solution to that because its not coming any time soon. There is no point worrying about the kids who cannot make it to be venues to be ID'd. That is a far bigger issue.

I think there are some big misconceptions out there about Clubs and training. You can make a great meal with the best ingredients, but a bad cook can also make a terrible meal with the best ingredients. It is up to an individual player to make the most of his.her training environment to become as good as his/her natural ability will take them . you dont become a special player without the tools to become one. No amount of training or money can buy the internal drive needed to be special OR the natural ability. you can play on a poor team, have good coaching, work hard and if you have the tools, become a special player. Sure the environment can help push you along, but its what the player makes of it.

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Anonymous said...

12:28 - agreed.

Anonymous said...

@10:47

Dumbest thing I've ever heard. As long as the check clears, right coach?

Anonymous said...

Any impressions from ODP tryouts today?

Anonymous said...

1228
I think that the USSF encourages clubs to play exceptional kids up. I would think if they were invited to national camp in the last year one would consider them exceptional. So all of the clubs already accepted into the DA are likely to be playing nicely in the sandbox with the USSF. Would expect those 2000s to be playing 99/98 to comply with the DA directive. I think the Penn Fusion kid was playing up beginning last spring sometime. At least at PDA she was.

Anonymous said...

New to this - can someone confirm if this is an '01 or '00 blog?

Anonymous said...

ODP tryouts yesterday...lots of talent and in my opinion a very big (i.e. Strong), tough group of girls. Not phased by the horrible conditions.

Anonymous said...

Well tomorrow it would be the u17 blog and therefore the 00 site.

Anonymous said...

what is the point of ODP? I dont get the attraction at all. An someone explain

Anonymous said...

I see two situations where ODP can be very helpful for players. One is an ambitious outstanding player who does not, for whatever reason, have access to a team that plays in high level events to provide exposure to the college coaches the kid would like to see along the sidelines of her games. She can still attend an ID camp, but most of the higher top 100 D1 s anyway will want to see her play with her primary team. the primary team must provide a level of competition under which the coach can feel he/ she can make an accurate assessment of the players level. That may not be possible at the pocono cup or whatever. So the kid does ODP and makes the interregional team in boca Raton. Quite a lot of players have been recruited from that event.
The other situation is the kid who is close but not quite getting to national camp. I forget how they tier the kids but the ODP interregional is scouted by the USSF and the kid might get to play another position from the club team or be able to click better with the Odp kids or otherwise shows well and can get a boost up the ladder. There definitely have been kids invited to ynt camps based on their ODP interregional performance.

On another level, a good but not great player playing for a small club, might see a bump in the level of training and players the state team alone offers. She might developmentally benefit from the experience depending on the state association since some are better than others.

Anonymous said...

Anyone have any experience with Ursinus College athletics?

Anonymous said...

How is this possible:
http://www.topdrawersoccer.com/the91stminute/2016/07/texas-just-got-a-verbal-committment-from-a-very-talented-eighth-grader/#more-41963

Based on this??
NCAA D1 – College coaches can begin to call you after September 1st at beginning of your junior year. NCAA D2 – College coaches can begin to call you beginning June 15th before your junior year. NCAA D3 – Unlike D1 and D2, there are no restrictions as to when a D3 coach can call a prospect in high school.

Anonymous said...

1:35pm,

A little research suggests that the parents (Marketing folks) also have ties to a soccer pedigree at NC. Looks like Texas is betting on the gene pool.

Anonymous said...

Nothing stopping the parents reaching out.

Anonymous said...

and btw, they got commits from TWO eight graders.

Anonymous said...

I think the current recruiting rules allow for contact with the player/parents before she enters high school. So, once she takes a course; attends a class/sporting event on behalf of high school, etc. All direct contact must stop.

Anonymous said...

as long as player / parents in initiate contact, then contact is fine and allowed. How do you think anyone commits pre Jnr year? It goes thru the HS or Club coach and he acts as the go between to the player/family.

Anonymous said...

11:48 - have heard many good things about Ursinus. They have great facilities, great coaching staff and fantastic academics. Worth checking out!

Anonymous said...

2:40 - or they go to directly to a camp at the school and can speak with them directly.

Anonymous said...

@4:58 - many players that had been to YNT before did not play up, interestingly. Many teams our team played had their YNT player in their age group. And, many of those clubs did receive DA's next year. Like, Stars, WC, and more.
The gal from Richmond United played way up. I think I saw her playing U17 and she's a U15 (also region 1) Could really open the field as far as standings if kids move. A lot of moving pieces for sure.

Anonymous said...

The penn fusion kid is playing on age. The 99/98 teams have huge rosters in the ECNL since they are now kind of like 1.5 teams. Half the 98 u17 teams from last year and the older 99 kids. Most of the 2000 ECNL kids are playing on age.

Anonymous said...

Thank you 2:40
I've also heard good things
Are you associated or have a personal connection by chance?

Anonymous said...

8:25 - no personal connection. Know kids that have gone there. They are doing very well in their professions.

Anonymous said...

8:00 - Got it. Yeah, the 98/99's really took the brunt of this age group change. Seems like every roster that age will be very deep in all the positions.

Anonymous said...

Thanks 12:11
Good to know
My daughter will be following up on some interest from coach
Time to get more serioous

Anonymous said...

70% Admissions Acceptance Rate

Anonymous said...

12:43 - that is wonderful. Hoping it all works out. Good luck.

Anonymous said...

Thank you 11:55
Btw I have a younger daughter and you guys may get a kick out of the blog posts at that age!! Immature, childish, and mostly parents living vicariously through their daughters!
U14 this past season and didn't change to adapt to BYC yet
http://youthsoccertalk.blogspot.com/2013/09/u12g-u12-girls-youth-soccer.html?commentPage=22

Anonymous said...

I happened upon one of them accidently. I think it was U15. Some of the posts were outrageous and some downright vulgar. Not necessary for Youth Soccer. Hate to say, but it seemed to be one state/local clubs therein, mostly.

I'm fairly new to this world of soccer blogging, but this one seems to be mostly informative re recruiting tips, etc. Hopefully, your younger daughter's blog improves. It's all about the kids.

Anonymous said...

National League teams announced: link

Anonymous said...

Overrated 1776 once again sneaks in

Anonymous said...

Just saw the post re 1776 team. They are U16 right for 2016-17?

So, are the previous U16 folks now moving to U17 to post re the 00's?

Anonymous said...

I don't think the blog pages have switched to BYC yet. Seems they should have August 1 but judging by posts on most pages, they have not.
I do believe 1776 is now U16, 01s.

Anonymous said...

With the age group change, it looks like the U18 bracket has a majority of the strongest teams moving up from U16 - this based off looking at National League and Regional League results from last season. Patriot FC probably the weakest team among the Region 1 teams accepted?

Anonymous said...

Some people just can't let things go- It's been over a year. Be happy with your decision. No need to take shots at others in order to make yourself feel better. Here's to good soccer at U18.

Anonymous said...

U18 National League R1 is too funny. PDA Shore? SDFC? Did they even win a game last year? A tournament? Please if this is the best Region 1 teams willing to play, maybe take less teams.

Anonymous said...

USYSA is so clearly second tier now and soon to be third tier. The u18s will limp along this year, but development may suffer when no consistent competition can be achieved. We saw the watered down competition beginning in a weak region 1 "champions" league beginning a couple years ago and now the USYSA premier "national league" is full of ECNL B teams and teams playing in third and fourth flights of tournaments. Wow. Strikers last team for sure. USYSA model of individual teams collecting talent, under a great coach, is dead

Anonymous said...

11:05 what I have noticed is that there are posts like yours on all these boards killing USYS - The place to be is or should I say was the ECNL right.

National league is #earn your spot

Option 1 - top national league teams from previous season
Option 2 - win state cup and then earn your way into the finals of the Regional Championships
Option 3 - make the semi-finals of your regional league
Option 4 - Apply for an open spot only if you played in the regional league or national league or was a final 4 team at regionals

What makes it soon to be 3rd tier? besides you.

It is a clear path for teams not in the GDA or where their club is not a member of ECNL to play at top flights - vegas, disney & NC oh those are minor events right?

The only people saying the USYS model is dead are the same people that want the top players from those teams to play for their A,B,C & D teams right it's all about the $$$$ why else would anyone kill a league they are not part of?

Anonymous said...

No one is killing USYS ... they did it to themselves.

Anonymous said...

11:45
What you say and reality are very different. Any half way decent team that applies in Region 1 can get in.
Regarding tournaments, NL is no longer part of CASL, you have your own tournament, so guess what everyone plays top flight!
Same for Disney and Vegas, they list NL as separate flights and you play your own league, not on merit but by league association. These are league games for you and nothing else. Nice try.

Anonymous said...

After JFC, Top Hat, and NEFC went ECNL, Legends , Carlsbad (LA Galaxy) and cup gold went GDA, and most compellingly- ECNL second teams present in in the "national league" don't need to say anything else regarding rank order. PDA shore? Solar Chelsea red or whatever they call the B team...seriously you argue that they put their best team in the national league?

Second tier not many believe otherwise anymore. Third tier in 2017 when GDA up and running.

Anonymous said...

Why are people so negative, just worry about your situation and be lucky that your daughter has a team to play on. Sounds like people need to kill other things to make their situation be the best. Really in less than 2 years time your child will either still playing soccer or they will not. And to think we as parents pay for this and then have to read some of this crap. I come on here to read this to see what is going on and find some really negative stuff.

Anonymous said...

@10:57 did your daugthers team not get accepted to National league, if they did not apply why would you even care who made it from where. What a joke just be glad for the girls playing, you dont have to down play teams just to do it. Remember these are all teenage girls.

Anonymous said...

Everyone who applied from region 1 got in!!

Anonymous said...

To each his (or her) own. I don't get it. Everyone has an opinion as to which is best but as long as whatever is working for your respective kid, then the rest of it doesn't really matter. Does it? ECNL is not for everbody. NPL is not for everybody. USYS is not for everybody. You have to find your fit.

I know there are some coaches (college) that want their kids to play ECNL. And, some are good with USYS. I guess that is what one needs to find out. Is the college program your kid is interesting in interested in one league or the other or both? You can usually tell by the rosters and where the kids played.

Anonymous said...

I guess it says something when USYS and NPL clubs go ECNL, though. Why do that, then? Crazy soccer world right now.

Anonymous said...

Finally saw my daughter walk off a soccer field with a smile on her face after one of her worst years playing the game. Going through last year with a terrible coach, he was degrading, standoffish and just an all around abusive individual. She had a very long season that ended with her wanting to walk away at 16. She has a few colleges interested and after some thought she decided to hang in and continue playing. Since the end of the season she has attended 2 ID camps, the first ended with an email stating that the school would like to continue the recruiting process with her, the other camp started with a nice conversation with the head coach encouring her to schedule a visit. THe second camp ended with a game in which she played to her full potential and being recognized as the player of the game. The reason I am posting this is to give perspective especially with all of the changes forced by USSF, clubs and coaches. The only one who has your daughters best interest in mind is you, the parent, you may have a good coach as well but their motivation is spread across the team (not a bad thing) and they are looking out for themseleves. It is a fine line as a parent dealing with some of these egomaniac coaches who are trying to convince everyone either with their british accents or Lower D1 pedigree that they are the gatekeepers to your daughters future, when in fact they can very well be barriers. Hopefully there are more coaches that are the opposite of who she had last year, basically do no harm.

Anonymous said...

750 what is your definition of abusive regarding soccer coaches? Did he humiliate your child? Did the coach act differently to the perceived top of the roster versus the perceived bottom of the roster? Did he disparage your child to recruiters or fail to pass on interest? I think coaches wear different faces dealing with different kids. The YNT kid has a different coach than number 17 on the roster much less number 20. Was that your experience?

Anonymous said...

9:19 AM

Are you asking as a parent, did you have a similar situation or are you a coach looking for insight

Anonymous said...

Asking as a parent, but have coached my kids at u-little which of course is a different game.

Yes I have seen coaches with multiple personalities. From the very supportive persona to the perceived top of the roster kids, to barely interacting with the bottom of the roster kids. I have seen kids hoping desperately to get into the game "warming up" for 20 minutes only to see the field for 10 minutes a half. Very little instruction or encouragement is offered to them. I have seen the starter kids coming off the field be called over for extensive instruction by coaches and the bottom roster kids get a pat on the shoulder or even no communication or acknowledgement at all. I have seen training sessions where the non starters basically stood on the sidelines while the starters spent nearly the entire practice working on set pieces. Or similarly where starters performed a drill for 20 minutes and bench players subbed in for 5.

I have also seen YNT type players play the whole game despite killing the team's chances of winning advancement games. "Top" players causing turn overs and damaging the flow and chemistry. As a corollary, it doesn't seem sometimes to matter if a bottom roster kid goes out in her 10 minutes and kills it, she isn't afforded the opportunity to have a great game with more time allowed her. Yet if she makes a mistake, even the same one as a starter has made several times, the coach reaches for the hook. It sets up a sense of hopelessness in the kid which further affects her play.

That said, I don't think those actions are really abusive. However I think they are common place across all levels of youth soccer. I have seen it even more blatantly in lower level travel with coaches egos so tied to winning. I was wondering what your child experienced that you characterize as "abusive".

Anonymous said...

August 5, 2016 at 10:12 AM

This was a higher level team. The things you mentioned sound like typical "Win at all costs" with the kids the coach has either identified as the top or has been influenced by parents. There is also a reputation factor that some kids have, maybe they made ODP at U12 because one of the club coaches was also on the ODP staff and at 12 they were bigger faster stronger, but now at 15/16 the rest of the players have caught up or past them but their reputation is still there. Eventually, with a different coach, they will be identified as the player they are and will be absorbed back into the pack. My evaluation of my daughter is based on her play away from this coach. And one explanation that someone offered (I feel it is a bit off) was that he saw the potenential in her physically but not mentall and tried to bear that out.

Behaviors of the coach that lead to him being described as abusive:
1) Did not communicate with the players then held them accountable to what he called “inconsistencies with his coaching”
2) Berating players for an injury, comments to the effect of if you go down in a game you will not be playing again. Some girls actually played injured and hid injuries from their parents
3) Now within training some might say that it is part of getting players prepared for the next level but consistently running players for a ½ hour of sprints after a 90 minute practice (usually the 3rd practice of the week
4) Spent chunks of practices humiliating players by focusing on 2-3 players and deriding them for 15-20 minutes, having the same 2 or 3 run a drill while the rest of the team stood and watched as he would yell, WRONG! RUN IT AGAIN! (my daughter was not singled out in these episodes)
5) A lot of physiological games as well, sending a starting line-up out the night before a game, warming up, then sending out a different line-up. His reason was “you need to get used to disappointment”
6) Having players “sent down” on game days or telling them, why are you here you’re not rostered for this game.
7) There were other allegations that I was not directly involved with but there was a consistency to the “rumors”

The result was the coach is no longer in his position with the team, but the club still lost players as a result.

Anonymous said...

the sad part is that most parents will stand back and allow bad behavior AS LONG AS IT DOES NOT IMPACT THEIR CHILD. In fact many silently hope it affords their kids more opportunities. As a group, soccer parents are a pretty spineless selfish bunch who are only out for themselves. If parents demanded more and acted collectively in condemning certain behaviors, we would have a much better product.

Anonymous said...

Coaches definitely have "favorites" some because of their play, some because of their parents, and some because the kid or the mom is cute... This type of behavior is found in any group with a leader. Workplace etc. I tell my kids when they complain, that they have to separate themselves from the pack so that there can be no question as to whether they should be on the field. Kind of a life lesson.

That said, sometimes its impossible to find the place that can provide the optimal venue to achieve your goals. Did you kid switch clubs after this debacle?

Anonymous said...

August 5, 2016 at 10:35 AM

Agree 100% That was apparent with this team. Basically the current team might have 3 players left from the U15 team (2014/2015). And it is due to an influx of 4-6 players last year whose parents were like the ones you described. The birth year change had an impact to player movement as well.

Anonymous said...

August 5, 2016 at 10:49 AM

Switching was a tough call especially since the coach is no longer a factor. But we talked with her and let her decide (sort of a precursor to making the college decision). Based on the offer from the club and the background of the coach she decided to tryout at other clubs, had an offer from each (which was tough to juggle as they all do the "offer expires in 48 hours". She talked with her team mates and found out who was staying and who was leaving, she did not just want to make a knee jerk reaction plus she was also looking at not playing club and just playing school because of the experience. End of the story is that enough of her team mates were either leaving or moving to the older birth year team, she found a team where the coach reached out to her and has moved on. Played in 3 tournaments over July, loves the team, training and coaches.

Anonymous said...

The age change may have benefitted your child opening up spots in his year of transition. I assume she went to an age pure 2000 team? Good luck. Hope it works out well. Sounds like you have a good sampling after this summers tournaments.

Anonymous said...

11:03 Thank you very, very much for sharing your story and exceedingly happy your daughter is happy. It's great to see an honest, informative, and non-inflammatory post.

Care to share any other info about the club or the departed coach so we know who to avoid? Is the departed coach employed elsewhere? Is this behavior typical for the club?

Save the rest of us too!!!

Anonymous said...

8/4 @ 9:01 - I have seen Patriots play. They are very good. Gave quite a few teams a scare in the states. Keep up the good work.

Anonymous said...

Hey happened to be paging through and comment at 7/30 @12:28 was removed. It discussed the PF girl having fantastic/sick ball skills. I agreed to it in the comment below. Why was this removed? She is fantastic!!!

She plays on my daughter's team and my daughter just loves her on her team. Can't wait for next season! Should be great!

Anonymous said...

3:53 PM, say what you wish but it doesn't change the fact that they're probably the weakest team among the Region 1 teams accepted.

Anonymous said...

actually they played many of the other teams in the league pretty tough. They beat beadling and others in the league so I doubt they are the weakest team but I guess they will prove that next year.

Anonymous said...

I don't have any reason to build up or tear down re Patriots/Region 1. My kid plays ECNL. I was making an observation about how I watched them play in matches. They are pretty good. And, their coach is very good. Maybe they picked up a few new girls, too. Should be interesting to watch.

Anonymous said...

Patriots are not the weakest National League from region 1. I would put them above both SDFC and PDA Shore.

Anonymous said...

I would not judge anything at this point. With all the age changes and the switching of teams with kids, who knows where everyone will be. Shake ups everywhere.

Anonymous said...

August 5, 2016 at 8:38 PM

Not looking to commit soccer suicide. Let's just say the coach has been re-allocated with oversite within the league.

Anonymous said...

Nobody cares

Have a nice season

Anonymous said...

Well somebody did care as they asked. I thought the response was spot on. Thanks for the info.

Anonymous said...

So 906, You are on this site, what topics then do interest you? Why don't you start a new and interesting thread and contribute to the discussion. You just sound like a pathetic troll with that type of comment.

Has anyone had any teams started preliminary training with the new teams? How do people feel about the new groupings? Are any older 00s lacking challenge? Are the 99s overwhelmed. How's it working out so far in these early days?

Anonymous said...

August 8, 2016 at 9:06 PM

Thats the problem, nobody cares. Look at PDA, they are sending 3 or 4 to the U17 National team, I think PF is sending one (A girl who has been on the radar for a while). The club we were with does very little in the way of building talent (something we were not fully aware of but due to location tried to make it work). I believe one more year with the right coach (actually the guy who got them to U15) they could have been a good team going into the Jr. Sr. years. But nobody cared about the team and eventually the girls. Whoever suggested the age change was just an excuse for the club to bring in new money. I think the girls cared and that was evident in how, knowing the outcome of this year with the changes they played together after the changes and teams were announced. I wish the players well and I hope that through the experience they have learned that talent and hardwork are important but you also need that extra little connection, which is true in most things in life.

Anonymous said...

But why did you stay? Not trying to be a wise guy, but just trying to understand. If it isn't what you expected, then find greener pastures. Plenty of soccer out there.

Anonymous said...

8/8 9:06 pm. I asked. I cared. It's my kind. It's my money. I want to know who to avoid. And we all appreciate honest posts. Vitriol offers nothing other than to expose you as a disgruntled, unhappy, narcissistic person.

Thanks to the OP for responding. Good luck with your DD's season and hope this year is a lot better for her.



Anonymous said...

So you would avoid a coach/program based on one sad parent's tale of woe re: her precious FiFi?

I was protecting the coach - and yes, it is honorable to do so, dishonorable to flame a coach or player by name on these boards.

"I want to know who to avoid....." is the wrong approach.

Find out where you want to BE. Stop being a lazy sports parent.

Anonymous said...

Just an FYI. My daughter attended a TopDrawer Soccer(TDS) Showcase in NJ this past Sunday. What a complete waste of time and money. Money grab ! College coaches that are advertised is a complete lie..

Anonymous said...

Ah, but she can show up on TDS as a top XI player! Some of the ones from the area last year were hilarious. Kids who won't see the field this year on age changed teams and some at the NPL level. Seriously.

Anonymous said...

I did see something a while back that was similar to rate my teacher for Club soccer, it never got off the ground. For the club level leagues you get what you expect from dad coaches and possible some HS coaches doubling at a club. But when you get to ECNL or teams where you are spending upwards of 5k-10k a year it would be good to have something other than the grape vine to help with determining the best situation for your player. An online databse of coaches might be helpful. From my perspective the SE PA South Jersey area is a very tight fraternity of coaches that take care of their own, if you look at U165-U18 at ECNL/NPL level there is a large group of local college assistant as well as head coaches that have corenered the market for club coaching, and it is a meery go round between clubs. They protect heir own. There are some good ones but the bad ones are definitley there and protected.

Anonymous said...

438 not understanding what you are saying exactly

Anonymous said...

TDS is probabaly a bigger scam then most of the clubs. They tease articles then the links take you to a sign-up for their premier service. By attending a combine you can buy your daughter a couple of stars on the TDS Ranking page.

Stick with ID camps at the colleges and showcase tournaments. If your daughter is not already talking with some coaches by now she needs to get on the radar and TDS is not the path. The college coaches know that it is a pay-for ranking system so most dont bother.

Anonymous said...

So, soccer trainers in rural PA are better than the ones plying their craft in and around the world's greatest city?

Funny.

Anonymous said...

My daughter is a 2018. She started the 2015/2016 season with not having really thought about the colleges she was interested in. She was able to get on one of the top teams in our state, that went to (for the most part) some of the better showcases. There were many college coaches in attendance. In January several schools reached out to her club team coach. In my daughter's case, the key was getting on a good team and getting exposure at better showcases. I'm only speaking to her experience. She was fortunate. She is tall and fast and very athletic, so she stands out. She was about to start reaching out to coaches in earnest when coaches started reaching out to her.

Prior to the coaches having reached out to her, I looked at several of the sites like TDS, CaptainU, etc. They looked like money grabs to me, so I did not bite.

Anonymous said...

That has been our experience as well.

Getting on a good team (doesn't even have to be a winning team) that plays high level soccer and is associated with a club that has a very good reputation and respected coaches. Clubs/teams like those will go to the events that have a good turnout of college coaches.

If you have the players, the coaches will come and watch.

Anonymous said...

113 and 136 without opening the old argument again, just curious were your daughters teams ecnl, npl or other? Thanks.

Anonymous said...

TDS is unfortunately used by colleges. They are very cognizant of their respective recruitment class's rankings. I think the biggest flaws relate to weighting early achievements very heavily when in fact the opposite should be the case. Get on the u13 ODP regional team and you are set in the top 150 for your entire career pretty much. The only accomplishment that really moves the dial is national camp. If a top drawer scout, Will Parchman, for example scouts an event and identifies a kid as a "top XI", that moves the dial a bit too. Flawed like got soccer, but still used extensively as is got soccer.

Absolutely, standing out on a team at least in the middle brackets of a national or at least regional tournament will get a tall and fast player noticed by most mid majors.

Anonymous said...

3:06 - one of your requested posters. Daughter plays ECNL. Not trying to add to that debate, either.

Anonymous said...

3:06 - the other requested poster, NPL

Anonymous said...

Wow, great job by the ECNL and PDA girls. They certainly made history! First time ever not to make a medal round .

Anonymous said...

Not sure the girls who unfortunately missed their PK's played for PDA or in the ECNL. Gotta at least get it on frame. Shame, but that is the game of soccer. Nothing guaranteed.

Anonymous said...

2:49 How many PDA players did you see playing? 1?

Anonymous said...

Heath PDA and I think Dunn Albertson. Llyod might be too old for PDA? Others?

Anonymous said...

14 played today's game. 1 PDA/6 ECNL. How is this PDA's or ECNL's fault?

Anonymous said...

Lloyd = Delran. Did not play for PDA.

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Anonymous said...

8:11 - I think you are right, but I'm not certain either. ECNL has only been around about 5 years. Fully getting off the ground with PDA as a member in 2010-2011. So, based on their age, the girls that play for US Senior WNT from PDA didn't play in the ECNL league.

I thought that was the thing with Pugh, Brian and Horan, they were the first ECNL gang. All the others were USYS/ODP.

Still a tough loss.

Anonymous said...

You can also argue when the ECNL Club was added as an ECNL Club.

Sauerbraun JB Marine
Press Slammers
Engen Slammers
Dunn Albertson
Pugh Real Colorado
Horseman Colorado Rush
Heath PDA

7 of 18 came from ECNL. How does the poster tag PDA for the loss?

Anonymous said...

ECNL was NOT a league until 2010. Do the math. Coming from Clubs that are now in ECNL doesn't mean the players were from the ECNL league. Is this too hard to grasp?

Anonymous said...

I know. Need aleve after some of these brain trusts make posts. I get it.
These are soccer clubs that participate in ECNL league, now, but didn't back when these girls played because it didn't exist. That time of the night and a weekend.

Anonymous said...

Yeah, ECNL is not a club. It's a league. NPL, league; USYS, league; ECNL, league. NWSL league; MSL, league. and so on...

Anonymous said...

MLS league not MSL - sorry

Anonymous said...

10:59 JB Marine, Slammers, Albertson, etc, are all ECNL clubs.

The previous poster wanted to know when each of those clubs were made an ECNL club. Playing one year for an ECNL club doesn't make you an ECNL product.

Anonymous said...

I tagged PDA for the loss not based on Heath, but based on pda's numerous articles that they ARE the face of ECNL and the most important member. Read the GDA articles - PDA claims it is practically the same thing as the YNT and USWNT. And ECNL is going on 7 years and advertises that most USWNT players are a product of ECNL. So if they are trying to take all the glory, then they have to take the responsibility for the bad loss

Anonymous said...

Poster is correct. Top Drawer/PDA writes about PDA almost every week, as the face of USA soccer. Remember the commercial last year during WC with the USWNT team training and PDA running alongside them?

Anonymous said...

Weren't there like 5 PDA on the Women's World Cup team? O'Reilly was one.

Anonymous said...

The real reason USA lost was that of the 18 players, only 7 of them were from current ECNL clubs. Most likely in four year that percentage will change drastically.

Anonymous said...

10:22. I wasn't going go comment on any of this but that statement is beyond laughable. Are you seriously trying to infer that they didn't win bc they didn't have enough ecnl players? Can't even comment on that statement it's just too funny.

Anonymous said...

Which WNT young players are non-ECNL?

Anonymous said...

1:21 am - in this area the top players are eventually going to go to ECNL clubs. If you're in Kansas and no where near an ECNL club, then your top players are on regional club or town teams.

Anonymous said...

RIO Players with ties to USYS

You can find information to back up any agenda you may have.

FWIW, placing the blame on anyone but the players and the current coaches is stupid.

Anonymous said...

Kansas has sporting Blue Valley. Western kansas is commutable to Colorado

Anonymous said...

US team is full of overrated players who struggle when the opponent forces them to play in front of them. US thrive on getting behind teams. They don't have a real creative central playmaker. And for the record, Lloyd is awful. EVERYTHING went right for her in the WC Final and that has probably bought her a bunch more years.

US need to develop more rounded players IF they hope to continue the dominance

Anonymous said...

Manhattan Kansas is 120 miles to Sportng Blue Valley.

From PDA there is MF, PF, FC Cont, WC, EM and Albertson within a 120 mile radius. 7 ECNL Clubs within the same 2 hours.

Anonymous said...

PDA has been tying itself to ECNL because their DOC is on the Board, but ECNL did not come into existence until 2010. Most of the players on the current NT were well into their college and/or professional careers long before ECNL came along. Are some players from PDA? Absolutely. PDA was a USYS team back in the day for girls and an academy for boys. Many (if not all) of them came through ODP programs.

The loss came down to players not making their PK's. Recall, even Messi missed his PK. Anyone going to question his greatness??? I doubt it. It happens. And, it can be fixed.

The US was trying to accomplish something NO other team has yet to do; win the Olympics after winning the WC. Not as easy as it seems, obviously as it has NEVER been done. So, still chasing that dream; all of the teams.

They'll get it together. They always do. It is clear to see that soccer around the world is improving. And with all the international players that go to college and play in the US. It was bound to happen.

Anonymous said...

We live 120 miles away from my kids ECNL clubs home field. And your point therefore is...
My point was that Kansas was not a good example. In fact Kansas City is soon going to be home to the USSF national training center. With both men's and women's professional teams many consider it a very soccer friendly and accessible state.

Anonymous said...

10:21 where do you live?

Anonymous said...

Are you in an urban area 10:21? NYC? Philly?

Anonymous said...

Of the 22 rated 2020 NJ players, only 2 are non-ECNL players. Seems to me the top NJ players are doing ECNL.

http://www.topdrawersoccer.com/search/?query=&genderId=f&graduationYear=2018&regionId=0&countyId=31&positionId=0&pageNo=0&area=clubplayer&sortColumns=0&sortDirections=1

Anonymous said...

2018 NJ class not 2020.

http://www.topdrawersoccer.com/search/?query=&genderId=f&graduationYear=2018&regionId=0&countyId=31&positionId=0&pageNo=0&area=clubplayer&sortColumns=0&sortDirections=1

Anonymous said...

A Bit late to the party. If you break down the game what you will see is the inability to finish (even missing a PK is evidnce to that). THe game is played from the back forward, why do you think the formations are referred to as a 4-4-2 or a 3-4-2-1. DEFENSE is king. Up until last year Abby was the target player, she had some foot skills but she was a beast in the box. Press, Loyd, and Morgan were feeders to Wambach, now they need to take on the responsibility of scoring. I have seen this in ECNL as well, there is a drop off between the team scorer and the supporting players. Add to this system the fact that the USWNT most recent coach was on the other sideline and you have a perfect scenario for breaking down the US team. I feel like we only stand-up heros so that we can tear them down at the earliest possible moment. A tough loss but not toally unfathomable.

Anonymous said...

Impossible to take TDS seriously when you look at the * ratings. TDS do almost zero research and get the rankings so out of whack that you just cannot go by anything they say.

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