Everyone has a choice. If your club and coach are so miserable, why do you live in fear of your daughter being cut. MOVE ON and grow up.
We had a similar experience with a coach in a high level academy. the coach was nasty to the kids and will call them names and bring in other players from other teams in the academy to play over the kids in the team. We left after two years and never looked back. My child is playing for another academy which is smaller but the coach respects the kids and do not treat them like another number. Believe me there are options, one just has to find the right place. Talk to the parents and look up information about the given coach.
A poorly informed/educated consumer is what the Business Development Academy preys on. Make no mistake about it. That said they are in the business to promote and protect themselves. Hence the blind allegiance shown by some and the preference for closed leagues. Tough to look bad when you play other PDA teams (for example) as opposed to getting worked by local town teams.Let's face it folks in two years time folks will be able to determine whether the money and hype was worth it. I know, I know, the experience and the challenges, blah, blah, blah. The Business Development Academy charged you for that too.DCShore
Shore keep it simple, Profit Development Academy
There's nothing wrong with having a business or profit incentive in sports if the product is a good one and it is good value. When you look at the opportunity for promotion and the performance of the teams in the last few years, I'm not sure the product is that great. My guess is that there are a lot of people that order soup, it comes out cold, and they eat it anyway because they are at a fancy restaurant.
@1210 I say this as a parent of a kid in this age group. Surely the product that you speak of is the kids. We, as parents, don't want to hear it but its the truth. Parents think that coaches and clubs can create soccer players. They can only mold them. So when you talk performance, ask yourself how much soccer do the kids watchhow much real effort do they put in outside organized practicehow into the sport are theyhow athletic are they etc etc etc...if they are really doing all they can, then yes, blame the other factors.I know my kid could be doing more to improve IF she wanted to.The girls game is coming along, but I was struck by how far we have to go when I watched the teams @PDA last week. The top kids are miles ahead of the rest. The rest are good, but the difference makers make average teams competitive and good teams elite. So again, if you are looking at results, one kid can totally skew the picture.PDA can and has produced some fantastic players, but you cannot discount the raw materials they have to work with.
12:32 The Gunners have an advantage that very few do which is being an ECNL club. That is a major draw of the top players and athletes. Prior to the ECNL rise, there was not a rush to PDA type clubs. That is part of PDAs product. If the product is great soccer then I do not think that PDA does any better job than many other clubs even the Gunners, they just have a drawing card that no other club has. As for the rest of PDA at this age group, I think that it hasn't been a good product at all. In theory, the next of the best players should be breaking down doors to play for the non-ECNL teams if only for the chance to prove themselves as ECNL quality. In the last 3 years plus they have not attracted the best of the rest and I think its questionable as to whether they are putting out a good soccer product. I watched the Copa/PDA game in the state cup and I didn't see very good positioning, possession, and basic fundamental soccer. The team looked almost confused. Maybe it was a bad game but it was not a very good product. I would suspect that similar soccer was played at the showcase so if the product is good soccer then they are falling short. If the product is getting exposure to college coaches, a coach won't spend more than 5 minutes at a game if it's poor soccer and if your kid is being seen than they will be brought down by the quality of the soccer. It's too early to tell whether the Breakers are different because they are not a home grown team.
I also watched some of the PDA games this weekend and saw too many individual players attempting to win games by themselves. Outside mid's attempting to dribble full field as if they were 12 year old stars. Inside mids dribbling in circles without any plan to pass. The defenders did fine work but had no players to pass to as mids and forwards refused to backtrack to the ball. Appears to be players attempting to prove their value as individuals without concern for team results. They must believe the BS that coaches only care about individual skills, selfish players are not desirable by any coach, especially ones with good skills but not great skills. No player on the lower PDA teams appears to be a game changer they just think they are. No teams just an assembly of good soccer players.
12:32 good assessment. Not only do the multiple PDA (and also MF) teams not attract the top talent, they are also hindered from developing either individually or as a complete team, because there is little continuity. No one wants to be treated poorly or be disrespected, which is PDA's reputation towards anyone not a current superstar. Now that their monopoly is gone, they are facing the music.The clubs/towns that have developed a cute unit, look sharp and tend to consistently play at a higher level. What the USA is missing at this point and time are playmakers - that will come I think from the youngest age groups who were introduced to creative soccer at very young ages.
@104 I guess my point is that the product is not that good. I watched ECNL games from U15 to U17 and the standard was not high. The commitment level was, the toughness, the effort - all outstanding. Kids clearly want to win and do well. But the basics were lacking. Soccer IQs are not high, technique in terms of passing and striking was consistently poor. Defensive and attacking positioning and runs off the ball were not great either. The kids seem to be good at ball juggling and small space moves like ball rolls and L-Turns, but generally, the application of these is poor and overused. Another thing I noticed. Tackling is terrible. There are so many fouls, many of which just are not called that put the players at risk. Slide tackles from behind, grabbing, pushing with off arm etc are rife in the game. Referees do not seem able to control it.I believe this reflects what they are being taught in drills and what is being stressed to them in games. The basics are just not there. We learned to strike a ball in the back yard on our own time. We watched on TV. We played pick up games where you got better or did not play. when kids go to these clubs, no one is really teaching the basics. They play a lot of games and the pressure is on to win them. it is a business now and that is that.There are talented kids that emerge, no doubt, but I don't think it has a lot to do with the clubs. The talented kids end up at certain clubs to get exposure to the right people.We are ALL falling short. Not just PDA
225 you nailed the Pride. Unfortunately for the players, the parents are egging them on to play that way. Forwards only want to stay near the goal and score, wingers want to show off their fancy footwork and the coach corrects NONE of this.
Get used to it for all teams, it may be worse on the Pride, but at college showcases, if a player has a coach coming, they will plead with the coach to start and get more time, and when they are on the field they will try very hard to impress. Soccer in the next few years will be very much about "me"
@958 ..Could not disagree more. It is a soccer IQ problem, not a showcase problem.
@9:58 This a coaching issue not a player issue. Any coach willing to forgo the well being of the team for an individual player is not a place I want my kid to be. College coaches can quickly separate a selfish playing style from a team player. If a player need to prove they are special it means they really are not. Better players shine in normal game situations. Better players perform whether a coach is watching or not watching. This is true player character.
12:12 I agree, but if you talk to any coach of college level players it can get ugly between coaches, players and parents as players lobby for time and exposure at showcases especially if they have invited a coach to see them play. It happens and it does depend on the coach's ability to stop it. I've been through it once before and you do see some odd coaching decisions at showcases. We all know that there are some coaches who are very weak when dealing with the parent who calls him frequently.
The only questionable coaching our club experiences in a showcase environment is more subbing than usual. Our coach would rather get more kids out there than focus on the win. Second point, any athlete who plays selfishly seeking extra attention will only get negative attention.
So that's why all the PDA teams showed poorly last weekend, the coaches subbed out too often.
@ 247 . whilst I understand your point, soccer IQ determines when to be selfish and when not to be. I have a difficult time listening to parents talking about selfish play, because most seem to define it very narrowly. I know kids that are told to take players on, instead of passing. I know kids who pass the ball when they really should be taking players on. A good coach will see what he needs to see in a player and I would put selfish play pretty LOW on the list of things they mark you down for. College Coaches believe that they can take the talents a kid has and mold them to their team.
I am more in line with @3:11Tons of great players (or potential for greatness) because kids do not identify the times when the decision IS to be selfish. There's a balance for sure but you can bet any college coach withs one clue will be judging a player based on the actual decision and not necessarily the outcome. A shot at the right place and right time that does not make the back of the net will count more than some wild and reckless shot that might get a lucky bounce and go in. For many dummies the goal is the be all and end all. OK, if we are gambling on a game sure, but in terms of development poor decision making is like kryptonite to a person with a clue and stomach for THE GAME.As far as showcases go, these are the games where the coaches owe it to his/her players to play all of those seeking a look by coaches. It's also a time for players to understand that if they do not have ambitions beyond their high school years they may see reduced minutes.It would be even better if 'points' were not awarded for such tournaments so the focus could be pure...good luck with that though.DCShore
There is a difference between selfishness and good decision making (soccer IQ). Players are posed with decisions al the time. Sometimes a decision is play it my self or pass. If a player feels the best play is to take someone on 1-1 than that is not selfish, that is good play. If a player with better options chooses to go one 1-1 or try to take on 3 defenders when there are obvious better options, that is selfish. Players will make mistakes, but if those plays are made with the best interest of the team even if it means keeping the ball yourself, then you have a good player. We have all seen the player that tries to dribble through a group with no chance of success and we've seen the good decision makers.
Who is New York east state cup winner? Or who's in the final I can't find it.
Anybody watch the USWNT yesterday. I hope it's not a sign of the future and a bad sign for the World Cup. It was a direct style game that virtually excluded the midfield from play. Korea beat us in the US. Very indicative of what we are seeing in youth soccer these days, long far balls moving the ball down the field rather than sustaining any real possession.
USWNT seems like a country club.Once your become a member,you dont ever leave. If we cannot find young hungry players to push the established players for their spots,then I cannot see how the game will improve. Wambach is a static target - no mobility. Team has no width at all and gets out played in the middle. Simple passes were misplaced yesterday and there was zero creative spark.I am sure that the depth/fitness of the USA team will get them into the semi, but if they win it playing this way then there will be no incentive to make any changes.
Anyone have the PDA vs WorldClass score?
Someone on this blog once made the point that we are the only country that rewards players for what they have done in the past not for what they are doing now.
PDA 2 world class 0
World class star far shutdown completely
You mean star forward , correct?
I don't understand why this blog seems to lean so heavily to one side. All the talk about the disadvantages and negatives about the academies and yet no one mentions the politics and nepotism that heavily exists in the town teams. Why is that? Some of the worst favoritism, blatant manipulation and agenda pushing occurs on the town team level. How many towns have board members whose children wouldn't normally make an "A" team? How many towns change the by-laws regarding their sports to accommodate the board member's kids? If you want a balanced discussion, then pros and cons of both the town teams and academies should be discussed. I have kids that play on both and the reason for that is that different teams work for different kids. It all depends on the age group, convenience, proximity, commitment and to a certain extent money. Does it make sense to spend thousands of dollars on U-8 soccer when good basic training can be learned at the town level for a fraction of the price? Should we be travelling for hours for training and games for U-10? One of my kids played town, low level academy and higher end academy. Every step of the way we made sure to supplement and round out her training. Any time she moved it was because it was the next step in her development. Are town teams for everyone? No. But neither are academies. Isn't it all about finding the right fit for each child? Some kids don't have the desire or the ability to play at the academy level. Maybe kids don't want to commit to a single sport or spend their weekdays & weekends travelling long distances when they would much rather hang out at the mall or at a party with their friends. But then there are those kids that want to focus on soccer and that is their passion. They want to constantly be challenged and play in a highly competitive environment. They want to play with kids who have the same level of commitment and desire to be exposed to the highest levels of soccer. Those kids would find that the academy setting would work best. But again, so much more goes into that type of decision. Is there an academy that is within a reasonable distance? If you have multiple children who play sports, will you be able to juggle the schedules? Choosing to play town or academy is a uniquely personal choice and no two families will have the same motivation for choosing as they do. So why attack people about their choices and why make sweeping statments about academies and all the negatives? There are clearly tons of reasons for people to have their daughters/sons play for the academies because they are still fielding tons of teams. So if those that post on this blog cannot refrain from expressing their disdain, let's present a more realistic picture of the soccer world. I get that people love an "underdog" and think it's great if a town team can hold together and play at a high level. But how many town teams have actually done that and were able to keep a high level of play? You can't measure success by wins or losses alone. You have to look at the quality of the soccer. And if you look closely at these "town teams" you will see that their rosters are not filled solely of local girls. Many have girls from other towns - isn't that kind of what the academy teams are comprised of? Girls from all different areas? If you are going to post, let's be realistic and keep things in perspective. Quite honestly, all the one-sided negativity is getting old.
@June 1, 2015 at 12:44 AM Great post. We had by far our worst political experiences at the u8-u10 ages with our town club because of some of the reasons you mentioned. My daughter loves soccer and that’s all she wants to play. She also loves the travel and thinks it’s cool playing teams from all over. She puts in extra work on the days her team is not practicing and gets upset about the girls on her team that don’t do something similar. She sends me links to different camps and trainings that she wants to attend. Since she is so committed, the fact that we can afford it and there is a decent academy within a reasonable commute, we have no problem whatsoever paying for her academy team. Personally I would prefer she played a wider variety of sports at a lower, more local level. But if she played on our local town team plus Bball and lacrosse, I probably would not frequent this blog. Maybe that’s why we have the bias towards academies on here.
A very thoughtful and objectively presented perspective. May be good for some to read over and over again.
@9:51 PMI made that point but I was only parroting Jurgen Klinsmann in his response to dust up that occurred when he left Landon Donovan off of the roster. He actually referenced Kobe Bryan when he made this point which did not sit well with Mr. Bryant. Actually Kobe did not disagree with Klinsmann, he only disagreed with him being the example. I found that part humorous. As far as why the academies my be the target on this blog, I agree with some it is because they tend to be the ones who heavily frequent sites like this. A parent on a local town team is not going to post how their team may have won the flight in MOSA National 2. That said my impression on those parents from local two teams is that they are mostly those scorned by an academy in one way or the other. An academy team may have disrupted their own teams world (recruiting/poaching players) and/or their own daughter did not get accepted.A handful of others show generous interest in the large picture of soccer both as it applies to their own player, the pro leagues and the National team.I for one see all of the inefficiencies and problems of town and academy teams. For me they are more alike than different. Which is my point. Any 'next level' talk is absurd in most cases. Next level in terms of actual soccer being played. THE GAME.All of this said I can only agree that there are actual REAL decisions to be made with regards to where your daughter plays. An academy does not have to be bad and a town team may certainly not be good. I personally have hoped for more direction from U.S. Soccer. The recent performance from our USWNT is typical as of late. Depending on the lineup we play a completely different game. Painful to watch such potential wasted on inefficient, sloppy and single minded play.DCShore
12:44 The town teams and the "academies both serve a purpose. The majority of the town system is devised to provide all kids an opportunity to play regardless of ability and to do so at a low coast, and to do that and keep costs low, you have plusses an minuses of that system. You don't get discussion of the town clubs because I would guess that the down clubs could care less about this blog and the people on this blog could care less about the town system except for maybe a few clubs. I posted a few weeks back about FC Delco. No one cared about engaging in a discussion.Here are my beefs with the Academy system. First, I do not believe that we actually have an Academy system. The only true academy that I know of is IMG where you pay $60K a year to get a full time emphasis on your sport. Practicing 2 times a week and playing a bunch of games and tournaments is not an Academy. Let's call it what it is, it is a place where higher level players do to get greater level of exposure. I don't there is any evidence that the coaching is any better or worse.If you use PDA as the example, it is a highly flawed academy system. It is 4 teams that practice independently from each other and rarely have the chance to train or play together. If this were a true academy system, you would have team training and you would have club training. As it stands right now, most kids get identified by one coach. That is the only talent evaluator for most kids. There should be a several Club level trainings in a year. This will help to show all kids what they need to achieve the next level. In addition to the training, kids will get the feedback on their own as to whether you are good enough. As it stands now, if you have a single bad hire of a coach and as a talent evaluator then you don't get kids circulating around. It is beyond me why a club like PDA with 4 clubs would not want to occassionally mix it up a bit in training sessions.The Academy system has its training to game ratio so far off. Most competitive soccer countries look for a 4 to 5:1 training to game ratio. But because it is the w/l that gets people excited we emphasize the game first I personally don't think the high level academies are teaching the game well and I think it shows in how our national teams have performed. We teach this direct style of play that can win 90% of the time until you play a team that is equal at the direct style or more disciplined and then we find that we don't compete as well. A true academy would not have an overemphasis on games which is why I don't believe we have an academy system.The system that has been created has developed a bubble of teams and it forces kids to move rather than having teams being able to move. When you live in bubble, you have the opportunity to believe that things are rosier than they are only to find out when you leave the bubble that they are not.When you pay $3-500 a year uniforms included, then you expect one thing, when you pay $2500+ then you should expect another. Both come with politics. Don't think there are not parents lobbying for the managers job or trying to get an "in"position with the coach so they can get more face time to talk about their daughter.At the end of the day, it is about choice. There are probably 800+ teams in the Northeast and Mi-Atlantic states, and that town system provides an unbelievably useful service to those kids with all of the flaws included. I don't think that we should fool ourselves into thinking that the bigger clubs are actually academies. They are a place to filter the higher level players for those clubs to build off of, they get the better players and in turn they offer you exposure.
Agree with you DC. the USWNT set up is flawed from top to bottom. It seems more of a marketing/political endeavor than a soccer one. Even on the younger teams, the process of selection is erratic at best. I cannot accept that there are no young players out there who should be getting exposure at the top levels of the game. I mean 17 to 20 year olds. Why are there so many on the mens side across the world who get involved at the full lvl early? US soccer seems to evaluate a players marketability higher than a p[layers current form or talent.I far that the US will do well enough to continue with the status quo. Too many people making a good living off it to force any changes
DC On your last point, the major flaw is that direct pound the ball soccer run fast and be tough soccer works most of the time and therefore that is the style that is taught an played even at your highest level clubs. It works until you meet an equally athletic more disciplined tam. I was stunned to watch the Korea match and how we essentially played without a mid-field it was more often 2 rows of forwards.That is the American style of soccer fast, strong, and tough.
@ 1055 The reality is there are many different ways to play soccer. This binary thinking that it is either direct OR technical is nonsense. You can, and should do both even in the same game. The problem with the US team is that they seem to lack tactical flexibility. The soccer brains on the team are limited. If you remove certain players, the team just lacks any form of variety. You have personalities that are bigger than the coach and think they are bigger than the team. There are some really strong, technical players available for selection, but they don't get picked. Morgan Brian is a terrific player. Why is she NOT playing at CM and why has she not been in the team for a long before now? Wambach is a statue. Leroux plays with her head down and does not see open players around her. If Mallory Pugh is that good - then pick her. Let her go to the WC and gain experience. Is Crystal Dunn not good enough? I dont see how you can be one of the top College players and yet NOT good enough for the US team. I agree that Korea played more thru midfield, but realistically, how many good scoring chances did they create? There is very little impetus to change the USWNT setup. They are not bad enough to get killed and force change. They have a chance to win it if things fall right, but the performance on Saturday was pretty poor.
11:17 I don't disagree, but watching the USWNT at several age groups, I believe that there was an overemphasis on direct play. No Korea didn't have many opportunities, what I was focusing on is nearly an entire match where the US was bypassing their midfield and it was not necessary. It didn't seem to be the type of game that warranted a full game of direct play. I am worried about Germany, Sweden, or Australia for that matter. At this point, beating Sweden or Australia and getting out of the group stage is not a gimme.Jill Ellis is not about to challenge the status quo, the last coach who did that faced a player revolt and lost his job.
when you have Wambach in the team, how can you NOT play with any width? I would not have her in the team, but if you do, surly you need wingers getting to the endline and crossing the ball? Or fullbacks overlapping. I saw neither. There was no CM who could link the game, no deeper lying playmaker to receive the ball from the CBs and dictate the tempo of the game. In fact there was no playmaking on show from the US team. They looked like a collection of separate entities, like a bad showcase team put together without any thought other than who is/was the most popular.And yes, Sermanni was totally shafted. USWNT is a political place from u14 all the way up.
I just read the Philadelphia Union Boys Academy program, putting cost aside, it is 4-5 times a week training, 10 months a year, and players are not allowed to Play HS. I would beg to differ on calling the bigger girls clubs Academies - Elite or high level maybe. We let full-time history or science teachers teach our kids soccer for 3-4 months. Except for maybe football where there are not other options, what other sports do that. The fact that we do not have a true year round program for women from once they enter HS through 4 years of college is a big problem.That puts the warm weather regions at a major advantage where they can play HS soccer over the slower winter season.
@ 133 you are kidding right? Why would there be a true all year round program for girls? What is the financial incentive? Where is the lucrative pro career or the sponsorship dollars? Why would a parent what their child in this environment where there is no endgame? The pinnacle of the girls game is a college career. The top girls clubs are essentially clearing houses for the college process. Some get more attention than others and as such attract more kids. The top kids really don't need the top programs at all. The top programs actively seek out the top kids for their teams at u16 and above because they need to keep placing kids at good programs to keep the machine running.
1:58 Not kidding, just making the point that training 2 days a week for 1.5 hours is not an academy. It may be the highest level of soccer play for girls in the US, but not an Academy.There is also no reason why the "Academies" can't stop the HS play which is damaging to high level girls soccer. There full year model works financially up until HS so it should work for HS age players.
@ 717 how is it damaging? It can teach kids a whole lot of things that they don't necessarily get from club soccer. HS soccer has helped my kid become a far better player.
8:07 While HS soccer may be fun for the girls and they bond with their schoolmates, I don't believe that it helps the players soccer development. Many coaches will tell you that they have to break bad habits gained in the HS season. I recognize there may be a few exceptions, If a HS player is in it to keep developing and not for the social aspect than HS soccer is not going to help the player. The player who wants to keep developing needs to be constantly challenged and playing against better players. I don't believe the HS soccer environment does this. By and large, the HS coaches have not been soccer coaches first, can a history teacher whose primary coaching job is cross-country be the best coach to teach your kid. There maybe exceptions, but I don't think on the whole it is good for development.I'm talking in a purely soccer sense, I know there are social benefits that kids get in HS sports and there is a community that tends to be be better than the club environment that can often be cold.IMO, if you are an "Academy" trying to develop the best players and prepare them to play soccer than a several month break for HS soccer does not help that goal.
IMO girls soccer is not a profession. So you are preparing them for a life in college which may or may not include soccer, no matter how good you think they are. In that context, to exclude the HS experience does not make sense to me or my kid. I still contend that the concept of Academy can only exist where there is the potential for a career. it can be argued that the top girls clubs are BETTER teams than most colleges. If the kids enjoy it , they should be allowed to play. The sport should be fun.
There is no sport that is really a profession then. The likelihood even if you are in the top 1% is quite small to make a career out of sports and even if you do the average sports career is quite short. If a players desire is to compete at the highest levels possible for as long as possible which may only be through 4 years of college than I don't believe HS helps that very much. If the goal is simply to have fun with kids you go to school with, to ride the bus to and from games, etc, than HS Soccer is important to that player. I tend to agree that sports should be fun first, I think the huge eye opener for most high level soccer players is that up until now these kids have been competing in a single age group. The funnel gets smaller with a roster of 30 players spanning 4 age groups.Like everything it comes down to what the player wants.
@1205 - What do you consider the highest level for womens soccer and how many women globally would you say make in excess of 100k per year playing it. As far as HS helping play college soccer. I reckon there are HS teams that could BEAT college teams. So when you say highest level, clearly you are talking about very FEW college teams and maybe national teams. I think you are generalizing a bit about riding the bus etc and trivializing the HS experience that some have. I accept that for some it is a bad choice, but others can and do get far more out of it than you suggest.Not sure what you mean by your funnel comment, but I totally agree that it comes down to each player.
I don't think money and career has anything to do with it for a lot of players. When I say playing at the highest level possible for as long as possible, I am referring to what is possible for that individual player and it may just be to play another 4 years of soccer. There is no sport where it is sensible to go into thinking of it as a career because so few can get there. What I can tell you about my own daughter's experience is that she was a dominant HS player as a Freshman but an average high level club player. She knows when she is playing HS that the competition is a lot weaker. Perhaps a few larger high schools that have a large pool of players reach a high competitive level, but the majority of high schools are smaller, My personal view is that soccer in HS is Social. I don't think that there is a HS team that could compete at all with a U-15 Gunners team and probably just a few teams that compete with the top 10 teams.Anyway, I think there are only 2 of us debating this, I hope others engage, maybe because its a good soccer discussion rather than a negative club discussion.
Perhaps it is more to do with where you live. I know several HS team in my area that would destroy the Gunners on Long Island for sure,in Bergen county- no doubt.It is def not purely social where I live. There are ECNL/NPL kids who do not make the varsity team. I think it depends where you live. When you say your child was dominant, was she all state, all region or anything like that? Clearly the competition varies greatly. Either way, it is up to the kids to take from it whatever they want. The money/career has everything to do with it from a business standpoint. Look how many families invest in Club soccer with an eye on college dollars? if there was a viable pro endgame for girls, real acadamies would exist and be funded by pro teams. On the boys side, why do they exist? I would argue strongly that it is because of the pro option , no matter how small the odds. Acadamies exist in other countries to prepare kids for a professional game. I know of no other country in the world that spends money developing kids to play in college. If not for title IX ......
Both the NJ Group 4 (Hunterdon Central) & Group 3 State Champs (Northern Highlands) would’ve beaten the Gunners last year imo. I witnessed all 3 play. I’m not so sure they could do it now that they’ve lost their top seniors & Gunners are a year better. We live in a Group 4 town. Over 25 freshmen tried out for Varsity. Only about 3 or 4 got any decent playing time & that was due to injuries. The rest played freshman & JV. I don’t have the time right now to mention all the positives about HS soccer but I’ll take a guess at a question an earlier poster asked about how many women make over $100k per. I would say maybe 20 with all of them on the WNT roster.
Didn’t Heather O’Riley play 4 years of varsity soccer for East Brunswick H.S.?
Yes, almost every HS age player does and every other player on the USWNT. She also played for PDA. The question whether HS helps players or hurts them. I would tend to believe that if she played for the local East Brunswick Soccer Club and played at East Brunswick HS that we wouldn't be seeing her next week at the World Cup. I would would think that if she played year round at PDA and not played HS, she still would have wound up a UNC.
With regards to High School soccer I see it as mostly damaging to development. Most of the coaches are caught up in the 80's and 90's style of Kick & Run. It's a different game. In High School you can get away with it...but I am starting to see more and more Higher IQ soccer being allowed (notice I did not say taught) which is really great for the support.But honestly the typical High School match is gruesome. I've seen kids (track kids) make varsity and PLAY sizable minutes purely because they 'might' be able to get behind a defender for a breakaway and score. Is that what we are looking for in a game?That said, both of my players are involved with school ball and they love it for reasons beyond the quality of soccer. What the coach may lack in soccer knowledge he makes up for in team-building and character exercises. As brutal as it is for me to watch I am happy for my daughter...for no other reason than she is happy. Good enough for me.DCShore
My daughter is a decent Club player on the EDP/NPL level but one of the best if not the best(that's how bad it is) in her nerd school in Hudson county. It's absolutely horrible futbol and we initially had an argument on whether she should play. Her club advised her and the team to skip HS ball and offered 3x a week training during the fall season.Everyone know she can play and she wanted to help out the team, not playing was not an option. She knows it's crap but enjoys the status it brings. They're only going to young once. Like one poster said, even if you play Division I, what's after that?I remember this Brit from London(huge Tottenham fan) who lived in the neighborhood, had a daughter same age as mine and they both kicked the ball in the park when they were 6 or 7. Asked why he didn't enroll his daughter in the popular neighborhood soccer program where mine went, he replies, "What's the point?" I didn't understand it then. I think I do now.
Ultimately I think 'soccer culture' can be a very good one. In truth many of the coaches and parents I talk to, regardless of where their player plays has a similar story. Their player is generally an above average student, with multiple interests and a solid circle of friends (of course there are exceptions). Although I never articulate this directly to my daughter my secret hope is that she continues to play this wonderful sport into her 30's and 40's. Now of course this will not include professional or national league play...but that is my point. Do it because you love the sport. It can only be good for you and will balance life.I have grown up around and met too many fantastic individuals around the sport to think any different.DCShore
What's the point? Why do anything that challenges yourself? Why try to be a musician or artist and be great at it, why run a triathlon why do anything that doesn't advance your 15 year olds career. should we just pack up and fold our tents and just focus on a career at 15. Some people just like to compete and they want to do it it for as long as possible at the highest levels they can. So what if it ends after college, it's 4 more years of doing what they love. There are thousands of kids in college playing soccer, track, tennis, gymnastics, football, basketball and on and on for love of their sport knowing there will be little financial gain.
So what if it ends BEFORE college.
That's life, the risk of failure should not stop anyone from trying to attain their goals!
What's the point? I'm sorry but the point for me is to help my child continue to do something she absolutely loves. It doesn't get any better than that. When my daughter steps out onto the pitch, I see her transformed. She's in her element and she is beyond thrilled. She's challenged, motivated and hungry. So that is the point. It doesn't have to be about money, power, or status. It's about doing something she absolutely loves and doing it well.
5:16 Well said. Seeing my daughter play is the highlight of my week. Work, bills, problems disappear for 90 minutes every week. She lives for practices , games and team moments. Some kids are musicians, some scholars, some artists but my kid lives for those 90 minutes every week. I feel lucky to be part of her joy. I feel fortunate to be a part of her passion. 1 more year or 10 years it is all good to me. This is what being a parent is all about.
Can someone help me to understand the rules of the ECNL playoffs?How is it that FCBucks best player (national player committed to Duke) now be rostered on PDA and be eligible to play for them in Seattle?I thought you couldn't play for another ecnl team until the season is over?
Haven't you been reading this blog? PDA can do anything they want, they OWN ECNL.
No worries, in a couple of years people will forget she played at FC Bucks and PDA will take all the credit for her development.
This whole discussion is ridiculous and one sided. People CHOOSE to bring their child to PDA. PDA isn't banging on doors, making calls or dangling carrots. People CHOOSE to bring their children to PDA (if the opportunity presents itself) because perhaps it's the next step in their daughter's development. You can't always stay on one team forever. Sometimes you need to move in order for your child to continue with their development. How about some constructive conversation for once?
Are you sure about that ? How about that recruiting party ?
@210 Dont be naive. Clubs actively recruit. If you dont see why some have an issue with a kid joining a team pre Seattle, then you are the one being one sided. Personally, I dont care, but lets be real, others surely do.
PDA recruits year round, what they don't do is develop.
@409 Development is a myth. The top clubs want the top players. It is how they stay on top. No one has time to wait around for development. Money and jobs are at stake.
The point is that transfers shouldn't happen during a season and the ECNL rules generally only allow transfers during a season when a player moves more than 60 miles from their home club. it needs to be signed off by the both coaches and the ECNL commissioner. Sure having pDA on the board of the ECNL must have helped that process.
In reality it is not a big deal. Does the coach really want a player that no longer wished to,play there on the team ? Bad for moral. Yes both DOC's have to agree. I do know of a certain DOC that refused to agree when a kid wanted to move away from PDA. That is a dick move. If PDA is on the board, and can sway the decision on final say, then they can take kids but refuse others release? The rules should apply to everyone, and they should be just as willing to release a player, as they are to have another team relates a player to them. That is why they lose respect. The rules don't apply to them, and they don't extend the same courtesies that they expect others to extend.
PDA does not recruit...LMFAO!Maybe did not recruit YOUR child but the player next to her may have been recruited. And might be paying less than you as a recipient of a *cough, scholarship, * cough * coughDCShore
There is a lame duck rule. After May 1 st the ECNL allows the addition of 2 players for the remainder of the season. This allows kids who were cut to escape their lame duck situation and allows the teams to begin incorporating the new players after the tryout. Not much different than what happens outside of the ECNL. I think the U.S. Club card requires a release before August 1 so the club a player is leaving has to sign off.
This nice so how are the other parents at the end of the bench taking the move?Did they already pay for a flight and just realize their kid is on the outs now?There are 20 plus already on this roster so it's impacting financially and mentally for some.
If the release just happened then there is now way she could of been practing with PDA since May or else PDA is in violation of the rules.
I don't think you understand the rules. May 1st is the first allowable cross training/ tryout date
What's with the obsession about PDA on this board? Is it envy? Disgruntled parents whose daughter was cut? Or tried out many times but never offered a roster spot? Righteous indignation? Some notion of "fair" play? Claims of False advertising?I propose this: Take a good hard, honest look at why you would bash PDA or for that matter, any club/team on a youth sports blog.You are all a such disgrace.
I have received no less than 5 calls from a club regarding my 14 and 11 year olds. The promise of great training, college scholarships and 50% off club fees were very inticeing. However since we live out of state and they were only willing to reimburse tolls but not gas we declined.- I am not a robot
It looks like the rules are there in ecnl for everybody to use .It looks like matchfit did the same thing ,taking a player from fc bucks on to their roster , a starter for your guide. So enough with PDA bashing .
@645 ..you say use, I say abuse. Sets a poor example for the kids. No need to see things thru, just bail out when you can. It is the more aggressive programs that will take advantage of this rule, telling kids that they are far better off playing for a CL qualifier. Doe sit make that big a difference if the kids just started on the roster next season?
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PDA and match fit are much better opportunities for both of these players. PDA is a constant supplier of national team players and they will both have more appropriate level training.
@914 That may be true, but why does it have to be done pre-Seattle?
RIGHT ON June 7 at 10:48pm!!!!
Awww I am so mad and you PDA “HATERS” I don’t like the word but I would like to say PDA “Congratulaters” Yes this is Eric Harris and I am mad at all of you. I was so sure that there were going to be some post blaming PDA about the thrashing Germany put on Ivory Coast. I even made a stupid $10 bet with my buddy at Matchfit who doesn’t come on this board and I know that for sure but I made him a bet that PDA was going to be blamed for it on this message board. I wish you HATERS would be more consistence in your blaming. You are costing me valuable dollars here. DAG………….That was a true show of sportsmanship on Germany I mean ,hey LEAVE NO DOUBT right. We then you all wonder where our kids get it from and why we see it in youth sports…….HEY IF THEY DO IT WHY CAN’T WE. Oh and let me shed some light on (JUNE 8 at 8:02AM) see you are hating sooooooo much that you fail to see that PDA GUNNERS are PDA NORTH……………..SMH if you going to hate at least hate correctly. Oh and for the PDA recruiting comments………..YOU DAG ON RIGHT I recruit and you are CORRECT I have asked all the folks that went over to Matchfit to……………..COME BACK. Not because I don’t like GW because although GW does what he does I still like him, he is a good guy in my opinion but hey I want all those families to COME BACK and I stay it here and I will say it to their face or anyone. I like what WC has done for many years and I still like what they are doing but my man KJ knows that I have spoken to him about COMING OVER. Not because I dislike WC but because I like his family and they are good people and we always have great laughs and talks about soccer and everything else. Now does PDA put me up to this HECK NO…….I am a grown man and I take my actions on my own. Hey for my folks at FC COPA if you are not happy……………….YOU KNOW WE CAN TAILGATE……so come on back. On another note you do know that they are about to change YOUTH SOCCER to Year of Birth. I know they are making the announcement sometime after Labor Day…………….cmon please ask me how I know please………but after Labor Day they will make the announcement that will take affect starting next year. Eric Harris
It is done pre-Seattle to ensure the teams' best chance of success in this prestigious event and offer, in the case of the PDA kid, a better shot at reinstatement to the national pool and get the matchfit kid better exposure. Yes the end of the bench at both are affected, but when you sign up for teams at this level, you understand what risks comes with it. The best kids they can get play. If you don't get that, then pull the hood off. When you accept an end of the roster spot at most ECNL teams, you understand you are only a player or two added from the NPL teams and playtime is never guaranteed. In exchange their is very little politics involved because the goal is to make the club look great and stand out nationally by producing national level players and competing well in Seattle and hopefully VA. This model is not for the travel-rec minded.
Cant win the title without more national players. forget the kids who fought all year for your team - whether that's on or off the field. sad to think that could have been some ones spot and memories for the playoffs.
13-0? Yes, most have forgotten. Not them.You laugh about Germany and Ivory Coast and $10.00. Did you have money on the Pride game that week? Did you cringe when you saw that score posted? Did you ask yourself Why? You quickly defended the treatment PDA teams received a few weeks back and commented how poorly we treated those players. Yet you make light of it now. C'mon man your a fraud and you just made it obvious
<<<looking over my shoulder as to say…………..YOU TALKING TO ME!!!!!! @ June 8, 2015 12:45pm….Boy you better check yourself before you wreck yourself. Listen before you call me me a FRAUD……..look at your name………ANONYMOUS……….FRADULENT as its comes. Sorry it was 13-0 which I still find funny but hey I guess they felt the need to do it…………….would I have as a player………..probably but hey that’s the past. I don’t make light of the fact that it happened but how come you are not on here crying foul against GERMANY…………..Now you had a problem with PDA doing it but does the same rule apply to the GERMANS. When I seen the score 13-0 heck no I didn’t cringe………….my exact words was OHHHHH SNAP……..WOW……………THAT’S JUST OUTSTANDING. Those were my exact words because I was shocked but hey I will say I wasn’t bothered by it because its sports and I been on both sides in football in college beating someone 66-0 trust me its feels real good I will tell you but hey that’s that. Now with the GERMANY thing when I heard the final score which my daughter came running outside to tell me…….my direct quote from REMEMBER THE TITANS……………….”LEAVE NO DOUBT”……….now lets rewind back to this FRAUD comment…….who are you again. Don’t cmon man me, you better stop letting folks put batteries in your back and hoping that the commercial of the Energizer Bunny in you can come to life with me. Get over it man you’re not built like that you’re not even cut from the same cloth as me so being Fraudulent is something I am not. The only thing that is OBVIOUS is that I am Eric Harris check the my login up top and before you come back at me have someone change your batteries and look in the mirror you FRAUD. Oh and P.S. don’t worry about logging in your ANONYMOUS so hit send right away lolol coward Eric Harris
1245Yes you are correct about the pool, indeed its camp, but its hard to get back in once a player has been left out. Not impossible witness the NEFC striker etc. This is not a perfect participation award world. Play the best you have, including the new kids for next year (you can add 2 for the Seattle event) ... period... end. The end of the roster that won't travel should understand what they've signed up for.
109 .. I do not know how you can possibly know that. And tbh, what are you getting back IN to ? You really think that the fact that a slew of 2019s were chosen to replace the last group and now they will be ever-present? If they are, it suggest that they are now looking at younger kids. Only time will tell, but these camps are rather meaningless at this age. The pinnacle for this birth year would be to play in the U17 WC. The rest is really not important.
Wrong again my little energizer bunny @June 8 1:31pm……Thrashing a team at ANY AGE whether it be youth, collegiate, or professional that in MY OPINION but does it happen……………yes it does. Will it continue to happen……………YES IT WILL. Have I ever been on the side of a THRASHING yes I HAVE. Have I been on a youth, collegiate or professional team that has given a THRASHING…………yes I have. Do I REGRET either of them…….NOPE……because it taught me a lesson about life. The youth lessons weren’t taught at that very moment but in life as I go on with my kids it made me see what I didn’t see back then and that’s the other kid that it was happening to as these kids are not seeing. Did my coach know what he was doing…………….YEP, but I assure you if you ever seen on ESQUIRE the show FRIDAY NIGHT TYKES……that’s the environment that I grow up in and trust me my coaches could care less about what the other team felt. You are handling the statement exactly how I expect you to because you were one of the guys crying FOUL on PDA for allowing what happened because it was so unsportsmanlike but then you sit there and SAY NOTHING to the fact of what GERMANY did and guess what we haven’t seen the last of it, because if they are counting goal differential…………..it’s about to get real ugly lol lol. You choose to remain anonymous not by choice but because you know what you say is not correct and just nonsense that’s why you remain anonyomous. You stand there a slave to some BLOG and in fear of what your peers may think of you. This way you can “TRY” to get at me and TRY to pose your thoughts and maybe hopefully that I will feel bad or sorry about what I say…………………….Let me help you…………NEVER NEVER NEVER will I. I say what I feel and if you want to try and twist it and turn it to make me the SCAPEGOAT then guess what SO BE IT……………….IT IS WHAT IT IS!!!!!! I shy away from none of it because I know I have never taken one shot at any kid or TEAM of kids. I support them ALL regardless of race, sex or religion. My position may be wrong in your eyes but in mine I am DEAD ON and I hope that what I say is VERY CLEAR to you or whoever because I am clearly not fazed by any comments directed at me and that’s why I always leave my name. My mother gave me the name I am going to us it. Anonymous is not my name …..ERIC HARRIS is.
"Back in to"- the camp invitee list. And uh the class the kid is in doesn't matter its birth year. I think there were one or 2 underage kids at most invited to the recent u16 (2000) camp. It was however combined with a u15 camp.
You really think a camp invitee list exists? And you think they just dropped the kids from the last camp? Nah, there is a pool and they invite kids based on a wide variety of criteria. Certainly they do not always invite the best players. They are constantly looking to see new players and new talent, as they should. I think that the kid has great ability. If she has become unhappy where she is, time to move. If she is happy in the new environment, she will play better. Clearly she was good enough to get in the pool without PDA and is good enough o go to ANY camp.
Why does this blog get so heated and antagonistic? Listen, life is tough - no one hands you anything. Unless you happen to be a part of the 1%, I was raised, and I raise my children to understand that you have to work HARD for anything that you want in life. Now, anything worth having means sacrifice, hard work, perseverence. That being said, most companies, professional teams, hospitals, law firms, etc - want the best of their profession. That's just LIFE. When has everyone gotten so COMPLACENT and decided that life should be about being FAIR? I hate to tell you this, people, but LIFE ISN'T FAIR. No one is going to just hand you or your child opportunites because it was the right thing to do. If you are going to compete at the ECNL level (or any top level for that matter), you have to understand going in that no ones position is ever guaranteed. If you child is good enough to get on the team - that's not enough. They have to be good enough to continue to grow, continue to compete and continue to contribute. You can't get complacent. That's what a competitive environment is. There is no mystery. It is what it is. If you don't like the terms, no one is saying you have to sign on.
BTW,Eric Harris is a real person. My buddies and I were laughing over some of his emails that he sends as the age coordinator for the JAGS league. The incoherent rants you read above are actually the same he sends out to dozens of coaches throughout the state.Eric, you owe me a beer. The beer I spit out while reading some of your nonsense you send out to coaches in other clubs.Glad you found success in football as it will not be there for you as a writer, comedian, or commentator. DCShore
Some people feel think a name is more important than a principle.
Listen fool @ June 8, 2015 3:06pm……..if you want a rise out of me you have to come better than that. That was really weak I must say and who is “Mia”………live through my kid or kids…….first of all I have two beautiful daughters who by far are better at soccer than I could ever be at a young age. Living through them for soccer would first of all dummy have to erase my past of what I have accomplished as a ex NFL player as myself. Now why would I want to do that………………….I would say you have an argument if I had a son which I don’t. God has BLESSED me with what I have in my beautiful children. Now do I eat, sleep, drink my children…………….yes I do. I love them and I could care less if they are playing soccer, hop scotch, flute, having a water balloon fight, signing in the choir, helping load a container full of medical supplies going to West Africa…………….I will support them and cheer them on like no other. Now if you call that living through my kids…………………….IM GUILTY……….sorry but I am. But me living through them…………hummmmm have you ever been given a NFC Championship ring before……………..I don’t know that answer but I do know that they have only held one and unfortunately they will never earn one because I doubt they can ever reach those heights in football. Now in two years guess what I will still be here dummy because I have a much younger daughter lol lol lol so once again you are wrong and still ANONYMOUS to me lol lol lol. Talk about maturity…..how come you have to say what you say anonymously………….now that’s immature. Its almost like making a CRANK call…….you got something to say but you don’t use your real name…………..Yeah that’s MATURE…….you are sooooo suspect and guess what I am very immature just ask my kids I love being a kid with them………Eric Harris
If you can't explain something succinctly, you don't understand it well enough. Albert Einstein
Eric and the art of the PDA post game speech, long and incomprehensible.
@3:28pm June 8, 2015……sorry I don’t drink. Never have never will. Personally I think it smells gross but nevermind that. First of all stop lying………you were not sitting around with anyone. And again I can say what I say because I am who I am. You could never do it because reality would set in quick for you. You would realize how frail you are emotionally. I wonder if you cut and paste most of the stuff you write. This is what I say to you and trust me I say it with truth and fairness. If what I say is not comic or funny……………….why spit out your beer????? I never claimed to be a writer. I don’t have to I have spell check and I have a lot of you to remind me……lol but do you see me changing…………….NOPE I don’t have to because I am confident that you are going to read what I say regardless. Matter of FACT ………………I know you are going to read it. I know this because you have NO CHOICE. Let your friends read this….if they want me to buy them a beer…………..invite me. Like I said you’re not built for it dude so stop pretending. Do I have to put you in time out again…………..I stopped talking to you for awhile because I choose to……….now I am throwing you a bone. Don’t make me take away from you. I control you and what you write, you do know it. Of course I am just saying what I want to make you come back at me lol lol lol and of course prove my point. Eric Harris…………watch my phone ring again from a couple buddies of mine reading with laughter lol lol
@325 I feel you miss the point. When you take my money, we create a contract. I believe that both parties should fulfill that annual contract. Your comparisons to real life professions make little sense in this context. It could be argues that in the case being discussed, the Club are the ones being complacent and they are sending a message that says , hey if we cannot win with what we have, we will just add new ones come tournament time. Is that not telling the kids , hey, no need to be loyal or committed or hard working, we will replace you anyway. No need to stick with your team for a year because if you are good enough, just jump to another one. No need to fulfill your annual commitment to your teammates because hey, it does not matter.You see, it can be spun many ways if you want.This is the environment we are now in, I get it, but it does not make it right. Nowadays Coaches have made it clear that they think they are the stars. Don't like me? think I could do better? F you, I will take MY team and MY ball and go elsewhere, there is always one Club that is desperate enough to bite. Great players, and there are very few, will have the pick of places to play, I just wish they had to see out the year before moving on unless external circumstances dictated otherwise. Maybe in thee cases, they do.
The bylaws of the ECNL and most youth organizations are meant to discourage mid season transfers. The youth soccer environment would be far worse if all players were free to move at will and the in season recruiting would be far worse. Read the ECNL rules, a change in geography is the only cited acceptable reason for an on season transfer.
Eric, are you really trying to equate Germany with PDA. Germany is playing for positioning in the next round and are trying to ensure a number 1 placement in the next round. Goal differential matters and 2 other teams still have to play the Ivory Coast and will be playing for goal differential. In PDAs win over Voorhees 1-0 or 13-0 meant nothing except in the eyes of a coach with low self-esteem. In a game where the outcome had no bearing on placement after the group stage. I doubt Germany would have piled on.your rationalizations absurd. You really think the USWNT are shaking in their boots because Germany beat the Ivory Coast 10-0.
Hey DC shore,Lay off.You obviously don't know Eric.Eric is one of the nicest guys you'll ever meet. Supports his daughter and the Gunners but never has a bad word to say about other teams, other teams' parents', other teams' coaches or the refs.Wants to see his daughter's team win but will be just as effusive with his praise of other teams and other teams' players when they perform well.If everyone behaved on the sidelines like Eric does, the soccer world would be a much better place.
Get off his nut sack!!!
If he joins into the conversation than he is subject to the same ridicule. He has chosen to participate so he gets no special treatment.
@7:07I will not lay on or lay off anyone.I will respond to whatever I wish whenever I wish. Eric does the same and Eric Harris himself is commanding that I respond (read above). Maybe you should address him.And Eric when have I ever posted under anonymous? You have addressed me as DCShore several times for a reason.DCShore
Please even PDA parents wish he would shut up. Yes, they have said he is embarrassing. If you speak in public the same way that you write, I'm afraid you may have suffered one too many concussions.To not be aware that fellow PDA parents are embarrassed by your rambling nonsense, and to have appointed yourself the PDA defender and public relations manager, is further evidence of possible TBI. We all just scroll right on by now, because, we know that punctuation is your personal demon.
I was trying to enjoy the game last night until a saw a Nike commercial with PDA (Actors/Kids) in it. There's your spit out your drink moment.
I am no PDA supporter on this blog, but I try to stick to soccer. 8:03, you are just petty and bitter. It is a shame that you can't move on from whatever happened to you and our daughter. I didn't see the ad but if it were players it sounds like it was something special for them.
Of my not even 24 hours and I have a lot to respond to lol lol. @June 8 7:07pm all I can say is thanks and I am glad that you know I have never comment negatively about any child or youth TEAM made up of CHILDREN….and trust me I put that guy on TIME OUT as I did in the past. See I control his actions here and in the league and he hates that’s but lol lol it is what it is but as of right now until I choose to mention his lame, sensitive, scared, insecure, etc butt on TIME OUT until I get invited to buy a beer. So as of now no worries he ain’t built as he thinks he is. @June 8, 8:39………do you actually think what you say or anyone else says bothers me in ANY WAY…..I use my name so that you can use it when you address me either here or in the physical so what are you talking about. You are right I am in the conversation and guess what I am running it. Nevermind participating in it…..I AM IT. Trust me you are giving me the special treatment because I go by name not an alias as a drug dealer on the street to try to go undetected or go under the radar. @ June 8 11:24pm you want me to shut up……..like my momma always said come make me……maybe that works for your spouse or children but I am neither and trust me talking about embarrassing……….yes I am but don’t think for one minute that you are not. The fact that you and others remain anonymous you get the embarrassing PASS…………….B#%*$H please you are in the same boat that I am I just choose to leave my name because I am not EMBARRASSED by anything I say or say it to. Unlike you and others you have to hide and try to justify that you being anonymous is a choice that you make. I can B---S on that also because I feel that YOU HAVE TO remain anonymous because if you don’t you couldn’t handle being called an EMBARRASSMENT or whatever else they call me. See I can handle that because my personality is just that…….I really don’t care what people think of me. I have been judge all my life as we all have but I have grown to raise above that and keep to the grind and if people aren’t talking about you then something must be wrong rather its good or bad. When I write it has an effect on YOU. Sure maybe it’s a bad effect but I still effect your feelings and thoughts for the whole day as this will. For one I am not any personal defender of PDA….I defend where ever my children is occupy. If its PDA you are 100% right because they are there and they love it there and they love the people there and to have some lousy grown folks try to spit fire at that you are right I will defend my kids happiness 100% and better yet I will defend your kid and the next if someone was to come on here and spit fire at them. Believe it or not kids do come on here and read this, this I know firsthand because the young girl told me that she reads it. Saying that a lot of what you and your pose say at times can be hurtful to this kids. I did ask her if what I was saying was offensive or did it bother her and of course she laughed and said NO those people are stupid…….lol lol I had to say I agreed with her. I tell you last night we were at a get together for the World Cup and I happened to be sitting with some folks and I said to them because I know they read this and some claimed to never write but my direct reaction to it was and I quote……”NOOOO-WAY….if you are reading it then at some point you will be writing and you do write” lol lol lol there is no way you can read and not write….Impossible. @June 9 8:03am……………….THAT WAS TOO FUNNY and trust me before it aired I had already known about it and was telling people at dinner about it before it aired…………….when it actually aired at halftime………………man it was crazy and it got REAL…………and of course my daughter looked over at me and nodded her head and to say “THAT’S WHAT I’M TALKING”………………Eric Harris
For all you none PDA parents ....... good luck in Seattle.... you will need it.ALL THE WAY WITH PDA!!!!!!HATERS................................................
The man has spoken. The spotlight has faded but the twinkle of a candle still shines on him. When will you allow your child to step into the spotlight? Your shadow is blocking her out. It's her time now, move aside.
11:16 how is calling yourself "DCSHORE" any different than anonymous?
PDA will do well in Seattle. The new kid is the spark in the midfield they need to take it to the next level. Matchfit also picked up a player. They will also do well. Great move for the Bucks kid. Better kids to train with and against, instant recognition and credibility and a political advantage in selection processes. PDA gets boost in potential success of the 99s, another national player and improved club visibility. Sounds like a good move to me.
Great move perhaps. Do you know the details of the non soccer side of the move - travel time, school work etc? Probably not. Instant recognition? please, she is well respected already. Political advantage? Surely the players should earn their spots on the field. Better players? well another team mate just left and that team she left won 8 games in conference. one less than MF and the same as WC. How does one kid improve club visibility?A move is a move and the family know why they did it. I totally respect that. your comment seems to put down the team she is coming from. I don't know how long she was there, but the spark you refer to was clearly nurtured there. Have some respect for that. I am pretty sure the PDA coach does.
Fact is that in-season transfers should not happen except in rare circumstances. Youth soccer would be a complete mess if every kid who was unhappy or sought a better opportunity moved in season. A league loses credibility when it can't abide by its own rules. First, here are the criteria for a transfer and they "Must" be met::CRITERIA TO TRANSFERThe following must be met for a player to be eligible to transfer during the ECNL Regular Season:1.The ECNL Registered Player’s family moves to a new geographic area;2.The Director of Coaching of both the prior ECNL Club and the proposed new ECNL Club consent to the transfer in writing;3.The new ECNL Club has an available permanent roster spot on an ECNL Roster; and 4.The ECNL Commissioner consents to such transfer in writing.5.ECNL reviews all player transfer request on a case-by-case basisalso:Rule:An ECNL Registered Player may not play for more than one (1) ECNL Club during the ECNL Season.
It's not a transfer. That's where you are wrong
Please enlighten me as to what it is then and what part of the ECNL rules allow a player to play for 2 ECNL clubs in the same season. Please point me to the spot in the ECNL Rules that allows players to move to a new ECNL club in-season.This directly from the ECNL Handbook seems pretty clear: An ECNL Registered Player may not play for more than one (1) ECNL Club during the ECNL Season.
Well, the season is over. We are entering the Post-season:) Folks, its done. The only people this maters to are the family and they are good, decent people. They are making the best move for their child and family. I wish them all the best.
It is also the case that after May 1, rosters are frozen for the remainder of that ECNL year. I guess the rules only apply when your club follows them. Here is a link to the Handbook, please show me where an ECNL player can move clubs. All leagues have these rules because they do not want open an free movement of players during a season.https://www.dropbox.com/s/f9hqbqcb3f9ysr7/2014%20-%202015%20ECNL%20Member%20Club%20Handbook%20.pdf?dl=0
The ECNL season is not over it ends July 31. I guess you miss the broader point, it is not about a specific player or a club. There are rules in place for a reason and it is there to protect the integrity of the game and of a team's roster as well as to prevent movement of players at will. It goes against the integrity of the sport when a team that earns its spot in a playoff is not the same team that plays in a playoff. If there was not broader issue with player transfers at will then there would be no reason for rules. If Clubs on their own could be trusted to protect the integrity of the game then you wouldn't need rules.
@ June 9, 2015 at 11:13 AMWhat about the other families and kids that are already on PDA.Is that the best move for them before the season has ended? Its not just about this one girl coming in at the end of the season. ITs about all the others that worked hard in many different ways to get to Seattle.
11:23, that's exactly my point. The rules are in place for a reason and part of the integrity that is lost is when someone who earns a spot for the season gets pushed aside, and the team that earns the playoff spot should be the team that plays. This leaves me with a general distaste as well. At least you have to give credit to the Bucks coach who didn't stand in the way of the player, a lot of coaches would not have allowed this.
PDA forced the hand - Lets get that straight.She wasn't allowed to practice with them unless she removed herself from Bucks and was put on the roster for Seattle.PDA POWER!
11:49 What's the point, she wouldn't let her practice until she left Bucks. What part of not being allowed to play for 2 ECNL clubs in the same ECNL season is not understood, forcing their hands or not.
June 9, 2015 at 12:04 PM It was more so to get her to come play for PDA in Seattle and not her FC Bucks team.That's my point!!!!!
don't forget MatchFit. they did the same thing. An unhappy player is not worth keeping. It kills the morale of the rest of the team especially if that player is the best on your team. A player like that does have extra pressure to set an example for the rest. they just do. If she was no longer happy, no reason to keep her around. I can see why folks are upset, but if its done, it must be within the rules, so lets drop that. I think it is VERY hard to be the leader and focal point of any team. so when you say not pushed hard enough, do you mean by the trainers? by whom? Playing with better players is markedly easier, if that will be the case. I cannot comment on the training sessions.I will say this, I am sure there are other kids on ECNL rosters who are not getting playing time who could leave and go to teams that are going to Seattle(all are) and play. So are they jumping ship now as well? Or is this simply clubs using the CL carrot to force the moves through now.
Am I the only one not seeing the fcbucks player that switched to match fit?? Someone help me out please where do I find this
My daughter played with her at the age of 8-9 where after being in a division 3 fall league, she led the team to win 2 back to back challenge cup state championships, in which one we beat fc bucks. She is truly an amazing player ,even at the age of 8 . No matter what team she's on, she will lead that team to success. Anyone would be lucky to play with her on the field. I 100% respect their decision. Even at a young age you could tell all she wanted to do was improve her play, and I feel like this move to pda is just another step in her successful career just like her move to fc Bucks years ago was.
"and of course my daughter looked over at me and nodded her head and to say “THAT’S WHAT I’M TALKING”"...of course she did. That's the kind of class we have become in this day and age. Of course I don't blame her. How could she know better.DCShore
p.s. don't be mad. Remember you commanded me to make that reply like all the rest.DCShore
Is any club switching over to birth year this fall?
Who is FC Bucks girl going to MF? Didnt hear about it and can't find her on roster. Fc Bucks girl who went to PDA is already on roster.
here's the rules that allow the situation with the Bcuks -PDA situation:The Bucks DOC graciously supported the transfer.the transfer rule:3.14Player Transfers. An ECNL Registered Player may not play for more than one ECNL Club during the ECNL Season, unless: (i) the Director of Coaching of both the prior ECNL Club and the proposed new ECNL Club consent to the transfer in writing; (ii) the new ECNL Club has an available spot on an ECNL Roster; and (iii) the ECNL Commissioner consents to such transfer in writing. The consent of the ECNL Commissioner shall be granted at the ECNL Commissioners’ discretion, and will consider, without limitation, the following factors: (i) whether a geographic move by the ECNL Player has occurred; (ii) how many games the ECNL Player has participated in; (iii) what time of the ECNL Season the transfer request is made; and (iv) other factors surrounding the request. If the prior Director of Coaching does not consent to the transfer, the ECNL Commissioner shall review the facts and circumstances surrounding the transfer request based upon the best interests of the player and the league, and shall independently determine whether the transfer shall be approved over the objection, and if so whether any additional suspension or conditions shall be imposed on the transfer. A player transferred shall be referred to as a “Transferred Player.” A Transferred Player shall be removed from the ECNL Roster(s) of the “old” ECNL Club. The ECNL Commissioner may impose a suspension, at her discretion, for any Transferred Player.Bucks was magnanimous in supporting the transfer because they graciously acknowledged that her development would not be best supported within that club. Kudos to them for looking at the kid's interest over the club's. All the best to both
@316 you don't honestly believe the development part do you? They did it because they have no choice. Why stand in the way for the sake of one week in Seattle? There is no way another ECNL club implies that they cannot develop/challenge players. If they did that, they why on earth do they even have teams? Just tell all your better players to go to PDA or somewhere else because they are better than us and we only work with lower tier players. No way they believe that.
They believe she should play up and acknowledge that the u16 team is weak and won't provide what she needs. They actually do care about her success believe it or not. Many clubs would not have agreed to the release and would have gone down kicking and screaming. They definitely did have a choice.
My guess and only a guess is quid pro quo,DCShore
And Bucks got exactly what back for their facilitating this kid's advancement other than doing the right thing?
so 419 Is she playing up for PDA? So FCB are saying, we cannot accommodate the best players in our club? I dont see what a weak team(debatable)has to do with it. So you win a few less games, so what? How does winning games make for better development? From a FCB standpoint, this is a big acknowledgement that they are a second tier club. Why would any top player even consider them? Or are you saying that development = playing for a better team? I am not convinced that PDA are that much better than FCB. Better, probably, but by a lot, no. They certainly are better with this kid. So when development becomes acquiring all the top players, who do you play against? Where are the challenging games? Or is that not part of development? The intensity in training amongst girls is just not there. As they get to know each other, the desire to really go at it goes away.Just debating her, I have no dog in the fight.
Would PDA allow a TOP player to exit their program in the same manner as FC Bucks? I just don't think so. Bottom tier player but not TOP tier.
No top tier player wants to leave PDA
Let me try and explain once more. However you guys who can't believe that a club might actually care about the development of a player who played at the club for 6 years might never get it. The player's optimal development requires the challenge of playing with and against more developed players than the 99 team at bucks can currently provide. The player would normally then play up on the 98 but that team at Bucks is not more developed than the 99. Hence she was going to play up on the 97s but that is not a good option next year at u18 because the u18s are not as committed as the other age groups in general. So the best option would be to find a club with more competitive 99s to train with or find a club with 98s playing at the right level. PDA 99s are a good fit and wouldn't be surprised if she trains some with the PDA 98s. Many ECNL clubs have the top players in an age group train up if not play up. Kudos FC Bucks for doing the right thing for this kid.
I believe 100pct that a real club cares about developing its players. I also believe that coaches and the individual are the biggest inputs into that. If you told me she was going to the PDA 98s I would sort of get it. She is one of the best 99s in the region, so I am not sure the 99s are going to be a huge challenge either.Good luck to her,I hope it works out.
My question is why for two months did it make sense to do this move now. The girl will play and train for maybe a month with PDA and then go off to HS until the Fall. Why not play by the the rules as they were intended and join PDA. Will the 6-8 weeks at PDA in the Summer really improve her development? Let's call this what it is, the kid gets to play in the National tournament and PDA gets to pad their roster. That is in plain sight.
I'm shocked she is not in Canada right now. REALLY being challenged. Unfortunately she just missed the cut-off last year for the MNT World Cup run.
If I am to believe everything being written on this blog, then FC bucks should resign from the ECNL immediately, and one of the top ranked NPL clubs should be admitted for the fall of 2015 . What other choice is there? If FC bucks cannot handle "elite players", then they don't belong in an "elite" league .
Quite the contrary. FC Bucks handled this unusual player well. Developed her for 5 years and then provided an avenue for her to continue to develop. PDA is the top club for girls in the country. Passing her on the them is not any type of admission of weakness or defeat. The PDA 99 team plays a level of soccer significantly superior to the FC Bucks level- especially without their top player. It is indeed a move up and further, we don't know if she will be training with O'Reilly as many top players in ECNL clubs train up but don't always play up. Bucks' actions fit perfectly with the ECNL model for development of players.
The two teams I have not seen play in years (more based on their schedule than mine) is the top Bucks team and PDA teams. I did see PDA play i guess about 3 years ago at this point and was impressed with the soccer.So I do not know this player which is a shame because she sounds like a real gamer.DCShore
Has everyone forgotten that this bucks team beat the gunners in the fall ? Also in the spring atJeff cup, didn't see any significance after being played by the gunners. I thought the gunners came in last in their bracket. Hard to claim elite status with those kind of performances
It wasn't the training that was the issue. It was the competition level inside the team. The girl is a special talent and her family believed that there was more talent that could push her at PDA. Wish her luck and move on.
It is just a shame that PDA will get to take all the credit for her "development". She will be featured prominently on their website when signing day comes around!
9:45 Simple question, why in June and not in August. Outside of the 1 year commitment teams are free to cut who they like and players can go where they like. Why are June/July 2015 so important to her development, how many O'Reilly practices will she attend in the next 6 weeks.Please be honest and call it what it is, PDA stacking a roster and the girl gets to play in the ECNL National Championship.
Nice deal if you can get it.
FCB did not acknowledge that the player could not develop in their program. The player asked for the move, FCB agreed. Why keep a player who wants to play for another club?
Why, because August 1 is just around the corner, it's not as if the player was going to lose an entire season of training. Still begs the question, if not for the ECNL Championships, why in June?
The development argument is nonsense. Good for the Player yes, good for PDA maybe (if it is not disruptive), good for development - No. If PDA and the player waited until August 1, nobody would be discussing it. It would just be normal end of season moves. In June it just looks opportunistic.
1157 has nailed it. I am not sure how it is good for anybody at this time. next season. Maybe it helps PDA to recruit other players, but if they win in Seattle, ho hum. All it does it put pressure on the team for no real reason.
11:46 -FCB don't want a player in Seattle who is leaving. give more time to other players.PDA - Get a national pool player for Seattle Player - Gets to play in the championships with a great team.Who is losing out? Or are you just looking for another reason to talk negative about PDA?
Right, PDA gets a national pool player for Seattle who didn't help them get there, that is opportunistic. My beef is that people are claiming it is for development. It has nothing to do with development, she can get the development next season with PDA. Who is losing out, the people on both sides who believe that they are signing a 1 year agreement. The girl who is now not going to Seattle is losing out to someone who hasn't been part of the team all year.The whole thing smells when you do it just before the championships. It comes across as doing it just so you can win. My daughter is leaving a team and as much as she didn't like it, she is staying with her team through the end, why because it is a lesson to my child that you honor your commitments.
Any parent either in the NCAA recruiting process or who has experience with it, I am looking for some direction.Are student athletes who are looking to play D1 or D2 required to register through the NCAA Eligibility Center website or not?
An 8 win FCB team that played everyone close including PDA is not good enough? So is the point that any good player on any team except PDA, FC Stars or MatchFit should leave because no other club in the ECNL in this area can support or grow a U16 national pool player? The non conference schedules determined the CL representatives. The Metro division is very evenly matched. PDA are by no means head and shoulders above the rest. If they were, I am not sure this move is made. Maybe it still is to close the gap to some of the better U15 teams in the ECNL like Solar or Michigan Hawks, but pre the move PDA,MFit,FCB,WC are all pretty comparable in terms of games. PDA and MFit are probably the deepest teams and that sets them apart from the rest, but they are by no means dominating.
I have seen FCB twice at NEWSS and Jeff. Cup, did this player play at these events? I do not recall an overly memorable player. Was she with the U15 team? Just curious
1:35Who lose? You need to take this out of the context of a single situation. Most soccer leagues restrict or impose tough penalties on in-season transfers to prevent exactly what happened. The system would be a complete joke if every player who was unhappy or needed more development jumped ship. Should we have a system where any kid can change teams at any time?
played at NEWSS.did not play at jeff cup @ combine
This transfer after tryouts scenario happens thousands of times/year across the country. Kid tries out for a new club and makes the A team. The kid is eager to start fresh. Old club might even kick her out as "disloyal" (though the loyalty is often expected by the club to be unidirectional). Kid leaves and plays last couple of tournaments with the new team. The old team invites the couple new kids to play as guests in their last couple of tournaments. Lather-rinse-repeat.The ECNL simply recognized and formalized a process to deal with this "lame duck"- post tryout -situation. Each team is allowed to add 2 additional players to their roster, assuming the current roster includes 28 or fewer players, after the May first roster freeze date. Not coincidentally, May first is also the date after which ECNL players may train and tryout with other ECNL clubs. If we weren't talking about a highly visible national level player and PDA, no one would even pause over this situation.
Whatever, but let's not view this as in the best interest of a player's development as the 6 weeks is irrelevant. This is about a player's exposure and PDA adding a competitive player to their roster in advance of Seattle. I personally think there is a difference between a tournament and a National Championship for the ECNL.
Everyone should just mind their own business and worry about their own kid! Get a life.
A little defensive are we? I think this is a good discussion on soccer, the ECNL and what is appropriate and what's not. I don't think anyone has been very negative about the kid or development, but the girls move raises some good questions:- Are late season transfers like this good for soccer?- Should a club be building their roster at the end of a season for a championship run?- Is FC Bucks inferior to PDA and therefore provides a better platform for high level player development?- Why has a club refused transfers of other kids, but graciously accepts a high level player to join them?- Does this type of end of season move have anything to do with development? or is it about exposure for the player and PDA trying to improve their chances of winning a championship?- Is the move simply the type of quid pro quo deals that happen between player and clubs all the time?While this blog can be very negative, I think this has been a pretty good discussion on why clubs would do this move, where are the best places for players, etc. I don't think anyone has ripped the player or the family for doing what is in their best interest, I have not read much if any of this.
0-0 "That's what I'm talkin bout"
1 yes. Lame duck players do not help anyone. They want to move on, are uncomfortable and make the whole team uncomfortable. Should they play much now that the team has new kids for the following year guesting for them? Unless they are trying to win a championship of some sort the coach will generally start thinking about next year and play new kids more than the kids leaving.2 yes as above and at the highest levels this player will help with the other PDA kids' recruitment as she is a very smart player and will raise the level of those around her. My opinion is at this level going for a chanpions league title you play the best kids you have... And PDA has this kid. 3 FC bucks is inferior. ECNL ranks it's clubs. PDA is much more highly ranked and is number one frequently. It consistently supports ( if not develops) national level players they are doing something right in the highest level development. 4 no national level player leaves PDA so I don't think the question had a historical precedent. 5 no bucks has developed this player ( though many others have had a hand in her development because the plays all the time) and live by the motto it's not about possession it's about progression
Players leaving YMS?
GK on PDA
YMS Pride is finished. Eleven players have now left from last year's roster.
Sio PDA has three teams to develop players from yet they chose to take players from other teams bucks and yms .That makes no sense to me ?PrideAthletica BreakersWhy are you wasting your money ,
USYSA is implodingcompetitive YMS and TEYSA gone with many players going to ECNLMatchfit and PDA sucking up all the tristate top talentBucks with NJ kids who didn't make an impact on PDA and some are really great.Penn Fusion sucking from DE, MD, and central PABut most compelling is that there is the loss of tophat and jfc to ECNL this year. Couple of CA teams left. ECNL B teams in the national league- don't need to say anything else.
10:22 Imploding, perhaps if the whole world were the ECNL. 99% of the kids play soccer outside of the ECNL, and your focus is only on the top 300 kids playing for a few teams.. My kid is not an ECNL player and very happy where she is at. If you were at the EDP Cup tournament, you'd know that there are thousands of kids outside the ECNL playing, competing, and loving soccer. We get that the ECNL is a draw for the kids who want D-1 soccer, That takes care of a few hundred kids, can you honestly say that the competitiveness of the NPL teams of ECNL clubs is anything special. Show me one of the teams from the Northeast NPL League that goes out and beats non-ECNL clubs regularly. If you open your eyes, you'd see that there is a world of soccer outside of the ECNL. Many of those kids will continue soccer in college, just maybe not at your prized D-1 level.
What PDA team took the YMS players? I would hope the YMS players are not wasting their time by going to Pride or Atletica.
It seems when you are play for ECNL clubs as their 2-4 teams, you are accepting a certain bargain. You play for an inferior/less-competitive team and in return you get the promise of the PDA name pulling you into higher level college play that you would not have achieved elsewhere. Is that correct?
Yup you are right. I really should have said that USYSA elite level programming is gone. Like you said its such a small percentage of the total market that they don't care about conceding it to US club. Also you are right about most northeast NPL teams except PDA and FC Stars they would beat most USYSA teams now. Matchfit and PDA have sucked up most of the tristate top talent. Some going over to Bucks. (One of their best players is from NJ)The northeast NPL (Ecnl B teams not stand alone NPL teams which like NEFC can be really good)) teams are weak because when a kid gets relegated from an ECNL team or doesn't make the ECNL team and is offered NPL, they don't want to take on the B team designation. SO they go to another non ECNL NPL or in the case of PA previously USYSA team like TEYSA or YMS. TEYSA and YMS (gk went to gunners) lost their best players to ECNL. TEYSA is bringing up their B team players as replacements. Therein is how the USYSA top programming is disappearing.
Certainly no one considers ODP anything of relevance any more and the best USYSA players will go ECNL if they are good enough. I would challenge the assertion at least with PDA that they would beat most USYSA teams. The fact is that neither Atletica or Pride consistently beat teams outside of their NE NPL league, and as this weekend shows, they are now barely beating or losing to teams that they used to beat easily. The ECNL "B" teams have not shown well at the PDA showcase, the Jeff Cup, and one could have easily expected them to win the NJ Cup with one of their 3 teams. At the Jeff Cup, none of the NE NPL teams fared well in very low brackets. The fact that is clearly coming through is that no one wants to play for an ECNL B team when the competition is either equal or worse than other leagues. As tryouts and the attrition of kids leaving the NPL clubs show, many players don't want to be in that environment.My sense is that PDA ECNL is more likely to grab a kid from another club NPL, USYSA, or anywhere rather than kids they have known and seen for several years. And if you look at the repopulation of the NPL teams after kids have left, they have not found equal or better talent to replace. The reality is that the B teams are not farm systems for the ECNL as they probably should be, they are financial instruments to develop their ECNL reputation which builds the PDA name. I don't know how you look at it an other way.
Is someone seriously saying that the YMS Pride starters all left for PDA? Is PDA starting a Pennsylvania team?
I think this is more a statement about the failure of US Youth than the ECNL. YMS has some very good players but not ECNL impact players. I suspect many will turn up on NPL teams as US Youth leagues are dying a quick death on the East Coast. I suspect the NPL teams outside of ECNL will improve.
@1:14 SPOT ON!
Have there been any Gunners commitments yet? The O'reilly commitments are not what PDA had expected.
Some, 5-6 are good enough for FC Bucks which is right in their backyard. The GK was good and went to PDA gunners. Maybe one more player good enough for gunners. the rest are looking at starting their own new "Patriot FC team" no idea why they would want to do that but whatever.
why are we so keen on early college commits? who benefits? seems to me like adults pushing kids to make choices that very few are equipped to make at this age. Wish this process was a lot slower.
YMS made a mid-season coaching change that hasn't worked out. The starters, as many as 9 or 10 I'm told, are following their old coach to Patriot FC for better training. They already have at least one kid committed to a D1 school. It looks like the Gunners got the starting keeper.
Are Patriot FC a new team. following a coach they like is a good decision but what tournaments and league will the team play in to be seen by college coaches.
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