AMEN!!!!!!!! Congratulations to all our NJYS Champions, all ages, both categories.
I agree. Congratulations to Copa.
Communication is key. It takes more than playing college soccer to be a good coach. You need strong communication skills, integrety, empathy, honesty, and a backbone. Might not ever find a coach with all the qualities, but some have more than 1 or 2 If you are unhappy leave. There is no difference right now whether you play for PDA South or any other good NJ team. Why stay? As parents on this level team, you should be getting, at the very least, bi-monthly game reports, weekly is ideal.The reports should communicate your kids strengths and weaknesses, and areas for improvement, not only for the player, but also for the team, and tactical goals. If you don't receive them, demand them. If you get them, read them with an open mind. It's hard to take criticism, take it and use that to better yourself. Not going to hapen at practice, as there is very limited time. If your kid wants it, find them a trainer or tell them to go out back and work on their weaknesses. Life's not fair. Maybe there are favorites, maybe not. How your kid learns to deal with "unfairness" or disapointment, is a good lesson to learn.
I agree copa has steadily become the best nj team. I watched them beat njsa in the state cup last year and thought they got lucky, but time has proven me wrong congrats copa
Best in NJ is probably pushing it a bit. A very good team, but let's see them finish off the EDP and win a big tournament in a competitive division and then Best in NJ might start to fit. TR thought they were the best in the State and maybe the country and then went to the National Cup and they were a distant after thought. They were fooled by victories in a lot of high level tournaments but low level divisions.
When did TR play in the National Cup? At least talk about the correct tournament.
I have to say that it is very surprising reading the comments between the whole PDA South and North issues.It seems that this age group at PDA has been handled poorly for the last several years and it certainly seems to be continuing now. I don't recall any other age group, past or present, since South has been in the picture that has even a hint of participation agreement between players from the North and players from the South.It was my understanding that PDA South was developed to eventually become the next club from NJ to make it into ECNL.Problem with PDA is too much authority is given to individual coaches regarding what they do with their teams and not enough mandated directives given to each coach to implement club philosophies.I guess it's all good as long as 14's, 15's, 16's, and 17's make it to ecnl finals every year.
Isn't the PDA south coach also the Director of the whole PDA south club?
TR, you are getting a bit testy. National Cup/National Championship Series that wasn't the point. The point is to be blunt that TR came on this blog anointing themselves the best in the world and when they found themselves against tough competition and not hiding behind low divisions in tournament then when they went to a tournament with tough competition they crumbled. The Copa parents seem to be making the same mistake..
@6:50 it is all good when you have B and C teams funding your A team too.
Can't wait to see which PDA ECNL team shows up on Saturday to take on FC Stars of Mass!!! Surely no less than 5 O'Reilly girls will be in the starting line up.....
Yes and the benched Gunners will play for the Pride, wins all around this coming weekend!
Wow this blog is getting tried, the same crap week after week. Can we talk a little a bit of soccer.
Copa starting to flex the State Cup muscle...in season recruiting has begin
Good for them. They won and should use it to strengthen the team as they see fit. Why does anyone feel the need to try and water down other team's achievements? Instead go out and compete to bring your team upAnd no I am not a FC Copa parent.
Bethesda Tournament brackets are out. Predictions? Some surprises in placements.
Not one NJ in top bracket.
Quickstrike top flight and Mclean ECNL second flight is a surprise
Any predictions for BSC Tournament? PAE, NYE, MD, VA all have representation. Should be a good weekend
Repeat of fc delco final Bethesda on top this time
Just looked at brackets in Bethesda tourney....second bracket is not very strong. Where are other teams going?
NEWSS and Disney (world class)second flight has some teams that arguably should be in the top flight. Will Penn Fusion have trouble scoring goals against top competition without their "ringer"?
to MAPS Cup
why botehr goin to disney at GU14 isn't it really a showcase for older teams. If your goin to do one at this age NEWSS is closer and less $$$ and still has top flight competitions
Going to Disney at u14 is not about top competition. Disney is very loyal to those teams who come prior to showcase. Yes the best teams will always get in but when facing 2 similar teams the nod for acceptance always goes to those who participated before.
Competition @ Maps Cup is average, TR and Santos are probably most competitive teams there. TR is living high off GS points that they accumulated from this same tournament last year.. tournament gives huge amount of points but doesn't draw top teams.. Good local tournament for Jersey teams but that's it..
Ooops... that was SJEB that got points from Maps Cup last year.. still good local tournament for Jersey teams but not Elite level tournament. . I agree, Bethesda could move a few teams, Quick Strike has been struggling lately. On any given day, any of these quality teams can compete with each other..
Really? 1 player does not a team make. 4 or 5, yes. PF has had 3 lengthy injuries. There were 15 in MA, and no "Ringers". Sorry. The player in question is 99" appropriate and new to club this year. She tried out for 98's and made it. She has not played with 98's yet, as they are all In HS. She's an 8th grader just like your kid. She is only a "ringer" due to trying out above her age level and making it? If she had tried out for 99's in May and made it, what would you label her, a damn good player?? No one is missing time or sitting, every player on the roster and eligible to play, has played at least half a game this fall, which, is pretty commendable in this atmosphere. The green eyed monster is very ugly!! Get off it!! If you think 1 player makes a team, you have not witnessed good team soccer, and sound like a Newb.
Lol. Having a ringer does not imply you are cheating or even doing something remotely wrong. In this case the ECNL roster rules are working as intended. Very defensive response is overly passionate- why? Absolutely Penn Fusion is a solid team. No one said otherwise. Only that they might have trouble scoring goals without their ringer who will be playing up at Bethesda. This very talented kid has had a huge impact on the games in which she has appeared; if you deny that then you are the newb and probably have some green eyed monster lurking within you ...hmmm.
Im assuming you are talking about the girl who came from Penn Legacy. She is pretty good but not all that you are making her to be. She did attend national camp but was not selected. Not a ringer for sure. Didn't really stand out at Penn Legacy.
No not that one as I agree she does not make as much of an impact as to warrant significant discussion.
Let''s leave an individual player alone. On to more juicy gossip, word on the street is the PDA South coach is being replaced! Maybe now there will be some fair treatment of this age group.
Let's leave an individual player alone, but let's spread a rumor about a coach. Your a coward spreading rumors about a coach.
11:45 pmthat is so funny that you think there will be fair treatment if they replace the coach...you made my day
We don't care about your drama. If you are nor happy with the program or the treatment your child is getting is very simple LEAVE
Tomorrow the drama starts!Are those 2 or 3 HS players taking roster spots tomorrow? If they want to compete....They must.
And the same tired carp starts again
It is not "tired crap" to the players living in the reality of being displaced week after week (and paying the same money). And to those you say "leave", where do you suggest we go? it is Nov? We paid for the year, should we just eat it?
RIght, you've made your point over and over on this blog. It is tired and old. Talk to your coach instead of being a whiner and complaining about it here.
Shouldn't it be better now though? If the high school players have moved back to the older team, that opens up a few more spots.
So much for Strikers winning PAGS. They lost to Warrington in semi-finals. OUCH!!!
Not denying anything. She is a great player, Although not the main goal scorer the weekend the team recorded 13 goals, against Connecticut teams....You should observe games from a team standpoint as oppossed to an individual standpoint. Again 1 player does not a team make. Beat stars without her, seams PDA could not do so, even with their O'reilly players? Not a newb, just know good team soccer being played when I see it, and stick to my original post. Good luck to all of the teams. I do not care if my kid wins or loses, i want to see her team play competitive games, against top competition, and win or lose, hope that the team learns and grows from the experiience, and that she grows as a player.Not expecting anything at Bethesda beside good solid competiton, and hopefully close games. I know. I am selfish. Sorry. I do not bad mouth any teams, compliment good play when I see it, yet still get criticized by people like you. Good luck next weekend if your child is playing. Again the kid is great, she will be playing with her team next weekend. Good luck to her. My kid benefited and learned from her working with our team. Made my kid a better player. All plusses. .
Stars ECNL 1 PDA 0Stars NPL 1 PDA 1
Warrington beats Ldc in PAGS final. Went to pk's after double overtime. PK score 8-7. Way to go Warrington.
Warrington is the #1 team in PA !!!
Looks like PDA & matchfit finished middle of pack in ecnl. Are both of those teams Gunners 1 & 2 kids?
Got Soccer shows two NJ teams #1 & 2. How do these teams rank vs ecnl teams?
Sometimes you can FEEL a goal about to happen.Other times you can SEE a goal as it flies into the back of the net.And on occasion you can even Here a goal as it cracks of the crossbar and ricochets into the corner. But after this weekend I absolutely know that you can never ever SMELL a goal!
8:34 The relevance of Got Soccer is diminishing every day with the separation of leagues, with some leagues giving points, and some not. Neither team has fared well outside of NJ or against the better teams. TR went out of state and played FC Stars and got beat pretty easily. The lost badly to North Rockland and lost to the PA Strikers. If you look at their schedule, TR does OK in NJ but struggles when they face tougher teams. Copa lost to the Gunners twice this year and they were beaten badly by an NEFC NPL team. They also lost to World Class. So while both teams are rightly top 3-5 in NJ, it's doubtful that they would be competitive at the ECNL level.
PA ODP tryouts yesterday. Lots of kids in the 99-00 groups. PA seems better organized and more worthwhile than NJ. There will be a USSF market training center on the 18th for these ages. How different will the player pools be?
8:34 thanks for the info. I don't agree with your conclusion however, because our PA ECNL teams have not fared any better against WC or Stars. Probably the same with Gunners, last time I checked. I suspect at the moment, those two clubs are the standard to beat on east coast.
I don't think the result is as telling as the competitiveness of the games. FC Stars is probably the Class of the Northeast, but it seems that their games are very competitive with the other Northeast ECNL teams When you look at Copa and TR, their outcomes seem to be far less competitive. a score of 4-1 or 5-1 is far more telling than a score of 1-0 or 2-1 where we all now small differences make a difference in a game. The PA ECNL teams (Bucks and Fusion), WC, and the Gunners have played very tight games with FC Stars. The Gunners beat WC who beat FC stars That's the nature of high level competitive soccer. I'd be very surprised if you see the current Copa or TR teams playing FC Stars or any of the NE ECNL teams mentioned very competitively.
Outside of the ECNL/NPL which who knows since dont play those teams isn't FC Copa otherwise the #1 non ECNL team in NJ since won the state cup? TR lost easily to NJ Stallions in semis, so isn't Stallions #2 and TR #3? Copa is going to Regionals so will be able to see after that how they stack up in Region I. Stampede declined regionals last year so cant say about them and TR went but lost all their intial pool games so cant so for them either.
Have to agree with 4:12. Well said.
I would tend to agree that Copa is an excellent up and coming team and probably the top of the non-ECNL clubs. They would probably even fare well in the NPL. The problem for the non-ECNL clubs will be being able to recruit with the ECNL clubs for the best talent to continue team growth.
The NPL is a joke with only a few really solid teams ie NEFC, Mass Premier, NJSA & North Rockland....most of the teams are are average at best- NJ Crush lost a bunch of kids, STA is losing kids by the day-, and Yankee is not very strong
Fact of the matter is that TR beat Copa pretty handily a month ago before it was ravaged by injuries and averaging 12 girls a game since wags. Stampede game was 0-0 at half and a couple of windblown goals decided that one. Just didnt have the horses.(no pun intended). No one sees that stuff in the box scores.
So do if not for the windblown balls and injuries that no other team has to deal with, do you think the #1 ranking in the country and #1 team in the region and state is justified? or do you think it's about a an accumulation of points by playing a lot of Got Soccer events.
When was the last time you register for a tournament? Is not about playing got soccer events. Which tournament is not using got soccer as their scheduler?Who care about the rankings of GS? But I must say all teams have the same opportunity to play and place at those tournaments. Many of the same teams are consistently attending and placing. Where is everyone else playing?Stop looking for excuses go out and play any given Sunday any team will win
Rankings in GotSoccer is not justified.. an accumulation of points by playing a lot of Gotsoccer events does not make you the best soccer team, it gives kids,coaches and parents a false sense of what there team really is. Having an abundance of GS points gets you into the top flight of good tournaments only to remind you (parents and coaches) that maybe the second or third flight would have been more suitable for your team. It's all ego, those rankings mean nothing when you line up to play the game. Do you really think Copa or TR are the best team in the Region or State? Top 5 in NJ on any given day.. Top 10 in Region is pushing it but, possibly on any given day. There are a few ECNL and NPL teams in the Region that are very solid and don't chase the GS points to get those rankings, would beat top GS ranked teams with ease.. To consider them top in the country is a joke and anyone who thinks that is clearly out of their mind, lets be realistic! Don't put so much weight on GS points, I would think.. if considered #1 or #2 in Region, they would have gone to Wags and mopped up competition. IT DIDN'T HAPPEN FOLKS!
Someone posted NPL League is a joke.. why? In this age group there are 4-5 very strong teams (NYNPL). I look at the ECNL and see the same, top 4-5 teams are good and then it gets weaker. EDP is the same..Those top 4-5 teams in each league would be Very competitive against each other on any given day. Be real with yourself people, your day has come and gone. let the kids play the game and as a parent, sit back and enjoy it.. try it, you might like it!
5:32 Isn't that the nature of all sports. Don't all athletes and teams face adversity like injuries and weather. In soccer that why there's reserve players and teams switch sides at half. If we followed your thought process no team in history would have ever lost a game.Was the game played inside a dome during the first half and then moved outside into a wind storm at second half when all 3 goals were scored?Life ain't fair and all teams face those adversities at times and its the great teams that can overcome those adversities and move onto the next challenge and don't make excuses. Your team is still a very good team and should be proud to be one of the best teams in NJ but on that given Sunday which happened to be a state cup sunday the team lost. Don't lose sleep over being #3 instead of #1 and instead of excuses go out and work harder and win that next state cup or regional competition or just relax and enjoy and let your kid go and enjoy and let your kid enjoy life is too short.
That was the nature of my post if you read it. All of these teams are very close. And a few injured girls and a bad day can make the difference. No one believes the got soccer rankings are gospel. Its just fun as any one at this level will tell you. Win or lose its just fun to play Stampede and Copa and Quickstrike and FC Stars and PennStrykers. Thats why we all put our kids in the car and go. To play the best teams out there. Can we all agree on that?
Yes you are correct that should be the point, Can you also agree then that the other team just beat your team on that particular given sunday period. and that the ball went past your defense and goalie and went into the goal 3 times and that's why we won. Not the excuse of the wind fairies being mad at the TR soccer gods and in love with the Stallions that day? If yes then I agree with your last and most rationale post and that on another day it could have been a much closer outcome. If no then that's just too bad and in the long run well see what wins out hardwork or excuses.
Totally Agree! People get so caught up in the rankings.. Please put it to rest.
Why aren't ECNL or NPL teams on the top flight of Bethesda or NEWSS tournament?
Only the tournament director can answer that..
@948 they request second flight so they won't have too much competition. Gotta save face.
Are you serious, I doubt those teams requested 2nd flight. Its a shame ADULTS can't come on this forum and talk good soccer talk, to make bugus comments about this team or that team is very childish and petty. I can't imagine the type of person or coward should I say that would use a forum to talk nonsense. Unbelievable! There are a few quality teams in second flight.. GS rankings get some teams further than others but.. does it really matter. Tournament Director gets paid to make those decisions and coaches with no ego accept where they are placed and play the game. Enjoy your miserable day!
Why does this comment surprise you? I have been reading post here that accuse teams of hiding on lower flights. This last post made same statement just talking about a different team or should I say teams?
All teams are close at the top in ecnl and non ecnl. Look at the scores, hardly blowouts. I see pda and WC had a fairly significant score line one time but the other times it was reversed. FC Bucks, Penn Fusion good teams and successful recently but clearly they are close games, same with Stars, very good but close score lines. Everybody has a capability of beating each other. Then there is NEFC they beat FC Copa 8-0 up at the Stars tournament and yet the Stallions beat NEFC and FC Copa at that same tournament. NEFC Beat everybody at the regional championships to be crowned the best in region 1 and narrowly missed out on being crowned the best in the country at the National finals and EVERY TEAM was involved in that series! Then Copa turns around and beats Stallions after been beaten the previous 2 times by them 5-2 and 1-0. My point being....all teams are very good, very capable teams whether ecnl or non ecnl - it really doesnt matter. They will all get exposure, its a fact. SO CHILL OUT! SOME DAYS YOUR DAUGHTERS TEAM WILL WIN AND SOME DAYS THEY WILL LOSE...ITS AS SIMPLE AS THAT
I agree the Stallions were the better team that day. Maybe the soccer gods will grant us both the finals at NEWS. That would be a lot of fun. See you there. ;)
Finally.. Good Post!
Dont disagree with a good portion of your post. One question though when you said EVERY TEAM was involved in the series, which series do you mean and which teams? wasnt clear what you meant there.
I so miss the days of trashing match fit
6:45 its refreshing to hear a rationale level headed voice from there. Think youre right it would be good rematch. Lets hope we get past North Rockland and you guys get past Manhattan first. Maybe both our coaches will keep it together a little better too and could be a great game out at NEWSS:)
The series referred to was the USYS national championship series last year. Every team competed. FC Bucks, WC, Manhattan, FC Stars, NEFC, PDA. Some made it through to regionals (all the above except pda), the only team that did not go to regionals that actually qualified was Stampede as they moved to Stallions from crush and its against rules. Otherwise every other meaningful team was involved at some juncture with NEFC coming out on top, beating WC and FC Stars along the way.
gotcha that makes sense.
8:19 You are exactly what is wrong with this blog. PDA never really competed in the USYS, they went out in the first round of the NJ State Cup because their manager or coach forgot their cards.
Wow I can't believe it's true! A friend said there is a blog site where ramped up soccer parents slash and burn their own / and other youth soccer teams / players! Only in America.In all seriousness good luck to all those traveling to MD to play in the Bethesda tournament. Weather looks good, and if you have not been here before at (U14) age group and above the fields are off the hook.
All teams are NOT close at the top of the ECNl or Non ECNL. It is just a final game result. 2-1, 3-0...We all know who are the better teams.
No that is just it, results show in all levels of the game over the course of time. All teams are close. This game is not about possession, its not about kick and run, its not about individuals, its not about style, its not about skill - Its about ALL those things, moulded to one team and showing ON THE DAY which is the most effective combination to win the game. Some teams have better possession, some have better individuals, some have more creativity, some are better defensively. Either way these are all "parts" of the beautiful game. THe results are the only barometer for success in the end. When the results vary so much as it was posted earlier - you cannot say which team is clearly better than the next. Some teams have the beating of others, yet they will lose to a team that team can beat and so on...Just take solace in the fact that so many teams are in the "equation" and belong in that level. That way you are guaranteed many great entertaining games. Why dismiss competition, embrace it. That is why the kids at this level love to play.
And yes PDA was disqualified, so we wont know how they would have done. Just the same as Stampede not representing at Regionals as well. All you can do is congratulate the teams that was there and did compete. PDA are a very nice team, definitely in the equation, but as results have proven, they are not invincible either. Fantastic result against WC, narrow losses against Bucks and Stars. Its tough at the top...and you wouldn't want it any other way if you didn't want your daughter to progress, learn and develop. Good luck this weekend for those playing
Consistent results are indicatives of who is better or what teams are better NOT just one game. Celtic beat Barca last year.... Is Celtic a better team?
The truth may hurt some of you on this post, PDA is the best team in NJ and WorldClass is best in NY. I cant remember the last time PDA lost a game to a NJ team (and no my kid does not play for PDA). After those 2 both NY & NJ have 6-8 teams that can battle with each other, the GS points are a joke, EDP is showing them now, NPL not yet and the ECLN does not even use them.This girls are 14 and under, who cares about wins & losses the girls need to develop, learn good skills and most important have fun since 99% will need to get a real job after college. If you think your duaghter is on track for a scholarship, live the dream just stop bad mouthing the top clubs, they might do certain things that upset you, but if your kid was good enough they would be playing and starting for them. Good luck to all teams @ betheda
Some can not help themselves when it come to bad mouthing other teams, its the nature of ignorant people. Then they wonder where there kids get it from.. about time we had some grown folk input on this forum, lets keep it going. Good Luck to all in Bethesda this weekend!
This is a response to someone's post regarding ECNL teams (or lack of) in Bethesda's top bracket. First there are 2 ECNl teams in that bracket, Bethesda and Penn Fusion. And as far as the competition in the 2nd tier bracket I think it is pretty good. There are a number of ECNL teams (not that that means they are the greatest thing since sliced bread) but they are competent solid teams. Annandale is actually a better team now than when they were at regionals and I would guess they win that bracket (and I don't have a girl playing for Annandale). I have spoken to people who put brackets together from various tournaments and they do account for different factors. Past performance at tournament and how far you are traveling. All things being equal the team that travels the farthest usually gets the nod over equal team in bracket considerations. Not an exact science.PS for all those traveling to MD for the Bethesda tournament. If you have games at the MD Soccerplex there is a fixed speed camera right before the entrance. Speed limit is 30mph and if your coming from out of town its a bummer to get hit by that one.Hope all the girls have a great weekend.
What happened to our writers? Bethesda?
What do we think about the question of whether the ECNL will ever concentrate talent as intended? I am not saying that many of the ECNL teams are top in their age groups, but many also are not. Lots of the USYSA teams would like to play World Class, PDA, FC Stars, Bethesda, and the R2 and R4 teams regularly. I am guessing that these teams would rather play some of the better USYSA teams over the soccer plusses that are on their ECNL schedule. Especially if they have to travel 6 hours to play blow out games. What US Club doesn't understand is that if they let a few select teams into the club based league, and dropped those that can't compete, it would actually strengthen the league's attractiveness by improving the consistency of the competition and potentially decrease travel. Yes the argument is that the current ECNL clubs would object to losing their competitive advantage. There is an element of anticompetitive -antitrust violations- in this whole thing.To address the objections above, ECNL member clubs would keep their place in the ECNL A league if they preserve a GD in the less than 8 range. Above that and they are replaced by a team that keeps the travel reasonable and provides better competition. They can get back in with a GD greater than 10 and a first or second place finish in the B league (NPL?). Can sell that advantage- you're in unless you are too weak, and thus keep its club constituency happy. If a club has more than 3 non competitive teams, the club is dropped from the ECNL league. This would force competition and induce the bubble clubs to pour resources into their weaker teams to keep the designation and improve the product for the players (consumers). Competition is good for this market and we parents should demand it. Let in a few TEAMS to replace the uncompetitive teams which would most likely improve both competition and the travel expense and a better model is achieved. Another point: There is still enough competition outside of the ECNL to keep the USYSA teams viable. If there were no decent teams in R1 or National league, then the ECNL would have the monopoly on competition and be a self perpetuating model. That, however, doesn't seem to be happening on the East coast- R1 and largely R3. Maybe with the number of clubs within a relatively small geographic area, Texas and SoCal, the ECNL does provide the competition necessary for optimal development and enjoyment, but this is not the case in the rest of the country.
Bethesda Tournament final as others predicted. Strikers vs Bethesda. Had the opportunity to watch due to delayed travel plans. Amazing soccer played by U14's. Bethesda had it 2-1 until blistering pressure by strikers in final minute resulted in goal. Strikers put one in early in first overtime to win. Quality game all around. Two guys standing next to me on hill were major level D1 coaches and their comment was "like fishing in a barrel". There was so much talent on the field they couldn't decide who to watch. Congrats to both Strikers for the win and Bethesda for the effort. Great way to end a weekend of soccer.
Was at game as well. Lots of competition in the top flight, getting to final was not easy for either team. Great game to watch a lot of back and forth with a blistering finish. D1 coaches scouting U14 players? There were older girls there playing finals - who knows maybe they had free time...
Nice that BSC put there team in the TOP bracket so they could avoid playing McLean or Annadale which they put both teams in the second tier nice home cooking there which isn't a surprise . BTW Mclean ECNL won the 2nd tier 1-0 over Annadale.
Your saying Bethesda needed to pull some strings to have their top team play in the top bracket at their own tournament? I would say as the defending Maryland state champ and current leader in their ECNL division they belonged their. Also, their results speak for themselves. Didn't they beat ABGC at regionals 4-0? Don't they have a date with McLean in March? I wouldn't say they are avoiding anyone. Especially not those teams. McLean is a nice team, but they are relatively new to the scene. Needed just a little more on the resume to garner top bracket consideration. Winning the second division will help for next year. Congrats to PA Strikers.
McLean is a tough call, but agree with last post - not enough history yet. After strong showing this weekend and continued success in ECNL they should be a no brainer to be in top flight next year. Not so sure about ABGC. They lost players to McLean and then lost second flight final to them, clearly they were in right bracket. Annandale has tournament coming up soon and would guess they put their team in top flight? Who knows we will see. Considering Bethesda's success vs ABGC / Ashburn in Wags, VCCL and regionals I doubt they are avoiding them.
8:32 #fraud#fake#liar. I was with a d1 coach all weekend. She joked about people thinking there going to get scouted at u14. She won't even look at u15. Would they watch a soccer game at u14. Yes. There soccer finatics. But not while older groups are playing. If DS paid them to be there perhaps. But not to the point of fish in the barrel comments make sense. Especially since there is less the 8 d1 players on those two teams combined. The coach and I watched all u17 games but 2. That was a u16 game that involved someone she wanted to see play who she trained. Hate to burst your bubble. Ain't happening. I like both Bethesda and Strikers. But if you truly believe in your system there is no reason to make stuff up. Unless your a troll trying to start stuff
That is an odd response to someone simply taking note of college coaches watching a game and offering a positive comment. No one said 20 offers went out that weekend to Strikers or Bethesda kids. Most know that the kids in the national pool at U14 are getting college interest and those kids are committing at late u15 and early u16. Penn Fusion u15have 4 kids who have been in the national pool and an additioanl one who has been in the national odp pool. There are at least 2 regional pool players in addition to the others already metioned. There were many coaches present at those games and even eigth graders have been visiting colleges (ACC) at the invitation of the college coach (through their club coach and players). The next tier down kids who have been to NTC and regional level ODP or above (still relevant for girls u15 and under)are getting some committments at u15. Read the Strikers and Bethesda college placement histories; no doubt more than 8 will play D1.
Perhaps you've been drinking to much of the cool aid. To most d1 coaches scouting a u14 game is cause for a good chuckle. And I would place money there is not 8 d1 prospects in that game. The last Strikers team was amazing. How many d1 players were on that team. As of yet the current Strikers team is not even close to the old one. At Penn Fusion your talking about G, A , Rd, $, . They lost at Bethesda. Great kids. But let's be clear. Attending a camp held at the university is not them recruiting you. I've heard one of those parents discussing this early recruitment. And I've heard d1 coaches laugh at the thought of it. In the words of a d1 coach "who would be stupid enough to commit valuable limitted resources to a 15 or 16 yr old who may not have even reached puberty and is 2-3 years away from college. Injuries, life decisions and a million other things can happen". I think sometimes or a lot of times parents misread or lie about the contact there kids have with coaches.
Nope no Kool-Aid and not camps. For the most part, you don't even have the right kids. Take a look at the most recent (starts Saturday at the Cason CA national training center) national camp invitees at u14 (99)to help you out a bit. Personally, I too think its crazy, but it is happening, maybe not with your kid, but it is happening with others. You are right Strikers and Bethesda aren't very good...
From past experience, my daughter's club team got a few looks at U15, but mostly it started at U16. Nothing at U14. I wouldn't be shocked if more than 8 of theses girls play D1 however. My daughter's team had 15 girls go on to play D1 soccer. I do understand that some of these kids will make choices to not continue or may even ultimately choose another sport, but I would say easily 12 to 16 (from the current rosters) move on to D1 soccer. At U17, I would say these two teams may place 24-28 kids on D1 teams. Remember there are 329 D1 women's soccer programs. Speaking from experience, some D1 programs are really bad and will be much worse than your kid's club team. Both these teams will get plenty of exposure moving forward, No need to rush things.
Going to a U14 National Training Camp and receiving a college scholarship are not one in the same. If your daughter is headed out to Carson, CA next week, then she has a leg up on the competition. But this doesn't translate into 14 year old kids getting solid offers on a regular basis. Not going to say it hasn't ever happened or won't. Right now top programs are finished with the 2014 class and are working on the 2015 and 2016 classes. 2017 offers will begin for a select few in late spring or summer. 2018's still 1-1/2 to 2 years away.
Agree with your timetable. Going to the u14 camp does put most kids on the accelerated timetable you describe with committments in the 10th grade. No one has said 8th graders are getting offers only that some have attracted early intrest.
You either didn't talk to a D1 coach or he doesn't understand human biology.
Please explain this human biology. I talk to a d1 coach every single day multiple times. So let's here your biology lesson.
Puberty starts years before 15 or 16. Try 12 or 13. They may not be done with puberty but they've certainly hit it. Tell me again how often you talk to a D1 coach, it's so exciting. You are so knowledgeable and powerful. Oooooooh.
Easy now it could be true. Ok I'll bite. Why do you talk to a D1 coach daily multiple times? Are you married to him/her? Is it your mom? Is it your boss? What state? I'm hooked here.
I talk to a D1 coach daily because this is a blog that has no accountability and no mechanism to verify what I am saying. Because my daughter plays for a club that played in Bethesda, that day I decided to post about how much talent is on my daughter's team, and I boasted about my daughter's team in the guise of a D1 coach. Tomorrow, i will dislike the fact that my daughter was left her previous team so I will lob some grenades at that team and watch all the responses. Somedays, I just find it fun to bash any old team to see if people will respond. The D1 coach you ask, that is a figment f my imagination created to give credibility to my opinions.
Please turn the TV off, I hear your mom calling...
Any predictions for NEWSS?
Did I mention I talk to a D1 coach multiple times daily? Oh and girls don't go through puberty until the are 15 or 16. I need a biology lesson and for the record I'm an idiot.
"who may not have reached puberty". Was the quote by the poster. Some of the best athletes who are skinny and tall seam to reach puberty later. Some not having there period until 16. The girl who was thin and fast could suddenly see her body change. Puberty can be a game changer. It affects a lot of things. This is one off the reasons most coaches do not scout young ages. Just a fact. Fire insults at the guy all you want it's a fact. Something some organizations may try to convince you of for there own financial game. I was at the strikers game and saw no such thing. Doesent mean they couldn't have been there but I also highly doubt the fish in the barrel comment.
Puberty has nothing to do with it, eighth grade is just too young for college coaches to care. Puberty at 16 that maybe 1 percent of girls. I don't talk to D1 coaches or make up that I talk to D1 coaches, it's just my opinion. If I were you and I did talk to a D1 coach, I'd probably ask the coach to introduce my child to the English professor especially if you are (or is it your) teaching her English. There, their, and they are is taught in the 4th grade, maybe 3rd.
Can we talk soccer. Crazies!
I'm new to this forum, just a couple of questions.1. Based on experience (and hopefully not just opinion) what percentage of the players on any and all of the academy teams actually get money to play soccer in college. I have 'heard' there is not as much money in college soccer scholarships as most imagine. I honestly have no idea and I am a parent of a child that will likely be able to play college soccer (lower - mid level). Just curious if all of the money parents are putting in does get some type of return beyond the benefits of playing for an academy level team.2. How many colleges look for multi-sport athletes these days? It seems like everything is so specialized but I have a daughter playing three sports quite well. NOT a dominant athlete but able to play at high level. Just not a standout player/athlete. My daughter is a great student and academics will determine where she goes but she has interest in playing in college if she can. I have to imagine that most teams (especially DII and DIII) must be made up of a number of roll players too, no?3. Lastly, why do many posts start off with "I'm not a Toms River parent?" I'm local to Toms River but I'm not sure if it is because of some bad apples from TR posting here or if it is a remark regarding something else.3.
The highest level players are ID'd in the 9th grade because they have been invited to national camps. The top programs will want a leg up on these players because those are the players that separate their programs from the rest. The next level of players, those on high level club teams(say top 10 ecnl for example) will be committed to colleges most likely in the tenth grade. Most of these players will be offered a full ride somewhere and some will take less if the offer is not from a school high on their list. The rest of the top college programs will fill in their rosters with girls who are not yet commited in their junior and senior years of hs and also with walkons to save money.This is fact and i didn't speak to any D1 coaches. If you know any parents on high level teams in the area, talk to them. Also, if your daughter is interested in the Ivy League, you may have to wait until 11th grade as they take a little longer to commit because of academics.This whole puberty thing is comical to read. Puberty has less to do with girls' development than you think. You see more differences in play from girls who are just bigger and stronger at younger ages who can no longer do the things now that were able to do two years ago. If puberty were the issue that some of you claim, national ID programs wouldn't be inviting 8th graders to national camps.To 659, since your daughter is a great student, let her go where she wants and she can get money for her superior academics. The college will love her because they can save money for the lesser students, if its D1 or D2.
Just a little something for you to chew!Did you know that 75-80% of PDAs u17s were committed last year. Ivy League, top d1. Silly you.Yes, last year when they were sophomores
You should clarify your statement. You mean 75-80% of PDA North U17 ECNL team, right? Certainly not all the 17's with the club, like south and second north team.
The fact is, there are several girls on PDA's U16 that already have college commitments. I personally know of several Sophmores in HS that have been offerd full rides or are being highly recruited by D1 Schools. If your daughter is fortunate enough to play on a good high level team and compete at the top tournaments (CASL,Disney,Jeff Cup,PDA etc)top 3 brackets, they will get noticed as a freshman. I know this for a fact, there is leg work that the kid and parents have to do as far as reaching out to coaches before tournaments but, It does happen. I'm sure someone will reply back with an ignorant reply but that's the nature of this blog, having your kid in the right situation means everything in youth soccer. Thats a fact also!
D1 schools are reaching out to there top recruits for 2016 now, that is a fact also!
Forum is so quite when Toms River is struggling, been mighty calm last couple weeks. Makes you wonder who is doing all the chirping on here, surely isn't TR parents when they are losing. Unbelievable!
C'mon guys cut Toms River a break. Fact of the matter is it has been really windy these past 2 weekends. LOL :)
U14 Get off your Soap Box when it matters all the cream will rise to the Top !
Manhattan over North Rockland in pks in newss final.
1:31 Thanks for your understanding. Not only was it windy, but our whole team was hurt and we were playing with the U-12 roster.
This response is to parent with daughter who plays (multiple) sports but is not d1 level at any.My daughter sounds very much like yours. She is a senior and played 3 varsity sports every year starting as a sophomore. What you will find is that schools will be impressed that your daughter maintained her high GPA while playing so many sports during her HS stint. It will not be lost on them and will help when it comes to applying for the school she wants to go to. My daughter received partial (1/3) scholarship to play at D3 level but she had no interest in those schools and really did not want to play in college. She was accepted to a major D1 school as an academic and if she still wants to play any sports, she can play in any number of on campus leagues.
2:29 and 3:35 thank you for your feedback.I am just trying to get a perspective on things. I 'think' my daughter will still want to play in college, provided she is right for the team. Just trying to figure out if she has any chance with the expectation she will not be a stud player or receiving any money for athletics. Intramural programs are always a possibility too.Much appreciated!
Plenty of opprotunities to play women's college soccer. The facts are that most schools carry large rosters(kind of like an ecnl team).The average 9 total scholarships are divided amongest the top recruits with most getting a 1/4,1/3, and some a 1/2,not many full scholarships(kind of like a UFO-you hear about them but no one can ever seem to prove it) So 28-30 player rosters with most on partial scholarships leaves 10 or so players that are non-scholarship players or walk ons- Although coaches will promise that a player COULD earn a scholarship. Remenber also that most of these scholarships are given out year to year and that 1/2 the girls quit for many reasons during the four years. A women's college roster with 6-8 Seniors is a tremendous credit to the coach and his program. Extremely rare.
Good soccer on TV (ESPN U) if you can get it. Girls NCAA Championships Friday night and final Sunday. You can catch UVA play their possession game. Maybe one day our daughters will be lucky enough to play in games like these.Enjoy.
225, women's soccer d1 programs have 14 equivalent scholarships to distribute throughout their roster.5-10 walkons, academic, financial aid means there are about 20 players for that 14. Not sure what kind of proof you're looking for, but full rides happen more than you think. Some schools try to get away with not offering to the best players, but only UNC can get away with that. Everyone else who tries turns into rutgers.6-8 seniors usually means they recruited that class very well and they were fortunate not to have injuries.Top programs don't make a habit of pulling scholarships from athletes. Word gets around and that would be a recruiting nightmare. They will usually just make life miserable for the player by never playing them and hope they subsequently quit, which they will do if they don't transfer to a lesser program if they still want to play.
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