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Monday, August 14, 2017

U18 Girls Youth Soccer

This page is focused on Under 18 girls youth soccer, primarily in Region 1 but everyone is invited to share and post.

Teams face increased competition for the top players, (who are increasingly attending college showcases).

More teams consolidate and the best teams--academy soccer, club soccer and high school teams--battle to attract and retain the right player mix.

Stay tuned. This is bound to be good.

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Anonymous said...

Oh and the $7,000 budget floated out there by some one allegedly stated by Spirit (remember, take everything with a grain of salt...some of this may be to scare off people), IF that is accurate would most likely include all travel, etc. That is an estimated cost of soccer at any level anymore when you factor in travel expenses (transportation, hotel, food, etc.). So, while that may have some sticker shock, it's actually what you are probably spending right now from EDP, NPL, USYS to ECNL.

Anonymous said...

I'm grateful my daughter isn't really concerned about all of this . She's an ECNL player but only really cares about her academics but plays soccer and basketball for fun . I'm glad she's smart enough to see the big picture and realize what's really important .

Anonymous said...

Some of this is driven by the kids and some by the parents and some both. Good luck to your child. Hopefully, most are driven by their academics as well.

But like it or not, until she is finished club, this does affect you; unless she is a senior. Next years, costs, logistics, teams being changed again, new coach,etc. The ever changing world of soccer.

Anonymous said...

1:57 - agreed. It will be about the talent. That will dictate the numbers on a roster re GDA combined birth years.

Anonymous said...

Oh @7:34, ECNL has done a great job. But, it's the talent in the clubs that did it; not the league. The league provided the collective venues for showcases and the marketing, but it's the talent in the clubs that brings the coaches to the venues. So, that is the development/coaching and the kids not necessarily the League.

Anonymous said...

11:18 - agree with you. PF is a proven product. Kids will seek it out. They do already. We are part of PF and haven't looked back.

Anonymous said...

I think PF will take a hit with the Harrisburg and Lancaster talent choosing PA classics GDA . Also a lot of talent will strive for the top club which is PDA.

Anonymous said...

145. I am trying to see what you said that is different to 938

Anonymous said...

524. Your suggestion that kids who take the sport seriously are somehow missing what is important is a strange one. many kids I know take academics AND sports seriously. What is wrong with that ?

Anonymous said...

720 Nothing is wrong with taking both seriously to an extent but most need to realize they will never be playing for the WNT. They need to keep things in perspective. For most academics and education will secure their future not soccer.

Anonymous said...

720. This is always the position of the people whose children aren't as successful in the soccer field. They fall back to academics are more important and I am soooo glad my child is insightful enough to know where to pour her focus. The obvious counter is of course my kid is successful in both venues on the soccer field and in the classroom. Imagine that... and her soccer will propel her forward to a top school and someday hello set her up for a top career. Hope all the academic first kids are happy too but they didn't somehow make a more mature or in fact "loftier" decision.

Anonymous said...

741 My daughter is actually very successfull in soccer, basketball and academics. She doesn't need sports to help get her into a top school. Your attitude leads me to believe your daughter does . In that case I wish you and her good luck !

Anonymous said...

7:34am Ecnl has done nothing for players, ECNL is a collection of the better players in the country, nothing more. Does the Ivy League create the brightest students or just collect them?

Anonymous said...

Funny had Jill E said if you are in a team with a roster of 25+ players , IS NOT about developing. BuT GDA wants you to have 23 in their rosters. Go figure!

Anonymous said...

8:29 - why are you casting stones at another child? That makes you a jerk.

It's wonderful that you and your daughter have found a pathway. And, she is putting her academics ahead of her sports. There are plenty of us in that boat.

And, some have actually been able to get into very tough schools by combining both. You can't get in to a top academic school unless you have the qualifications academically and many just so happen to be coupled with top soccer programs as well. Another plus.

But, just because another child wants to dream of NT or beyond doesn't mean they shouldn't. What if that was your kids' aspirations? Don't diminish the dream of another child because it doesn't match yours.

Anonymous said...

6:59 pm - There is plenty of soccer out there so surely none of the clubs will suffer one way or another. Agreed that PDA has a proven track record, but so does PF. Don't know anything about Classics, but still think some kids will make the trip to PF because it is a proven product. Will be interesting to see.



Anonymous said...

As someone who has been driving my kids 1.5 hours each way for a total of 3 and sometimes more depending on traffic to give them the opportunity to play in the best situation for them I can tell you that most of us willing to drive that distance will drive past many lesser programs to get to a perceived best fit. It will be about the product as to whether kids continue to travel past one of the new DA programs to get to another.

For example: If Classics can bring up the level of their girls programs with coaches who are charismatic, run organized and robust training, and produce teams that are successful they will attract the central PA best. If their teams are perceived as lesser in development and recruitment opportunity and generally is perceived as lesser then people will continue to choose PF as the better product. It will be interesting to see how this develops over time. Classics has excellent facilities. I don't know much about their coaches and their history of girls development.

Anonymous said...

6:59
PF has proven product. I don't think a central PA player will change to Classics just bc it's closer to home.
Some may say that Classics has focused on the boys DA, the girls side has suffered, hence why central PA girls traveling to PF now
7:34
Read what you wrote. Who provided the venue and program for those talented athletes? I'm not saying that ECNL created the players, just saying that ECNL provided the conduit for the girls where other programs have not.

Anonymous said...

757 Nonsense. kids were recruited before teh ECNL existed. They still would be without it. The ECNL has done a great job of marketing the ECNL. The ECNL have dfone a great job of making money. Costs have risen dramatically and for what? Better coaching? debatable. better facilities? also debatable/ Cost have risen to pay for a marketing and to add to profits. As College tuition rises, the cost of soccer goes with it.

The ECNL is a tourament platform for Clubs to showcase kids in single venues for College coaches. It makes life easier for the Colleges, that the main thing.

Anonymous said...

8:08
Yes it's money making.
How can you argue the numbers of commits from the ECNL?
Sounds like you've had a bad experience with a ECNL club?
By the way, my daughter does not play ECNL, I have no skin in this except to see the accomplishments of athletes working through that venue.
I can't afford it but would have sent my kids there if I could.
Any central PA girls' parents on here willing to give your story as to why you're traveling to PF or other club?

Anonymous said...

7:57 I disagree PF is good at recruiting top talent not nesssaarily producing it .Those same talented recruits could easily go to PAC if it's more convenient and be just as successful . Their talent will speak for itself .

Anonymous said...

8:16 can you read this sentence? bc this is what I wrote:
"I'm not saying that ECNL created the players, just saying that ECNL provided the conduit for the girls where other programs have not."

Would a "Clasic area" parent be willing to tell their story as to why their kid is traveling to PF?
Would be informative

Anonymous said...

Because Tino tries to use his connections to make deals and recruit . It's not exactly a secret .Hes all about business and marketing .
Now with PAC getting a girls DA talented players have another viable option .

Anonymous said...

Penn conFusion
Recruit and boot...

Anonymous said...

8:48
Are Tino's strengths a bad thing for players? Seems to me that reiforces the fact that they've provided great support
Not familiar with the PA landscape, are you saying that an existing PF player would leave for another DA program?

Anonymous said...

9:05
Care to share more?
Factual is good, not immature bs

Anonymous said...

816 . If i nationalize the largest, most successful clubs, then how is it an achievement to have a lot of commits? Are Clubs like PDA committing a greater percentage of players now versus before? I doubt it. Dont fall for the marketing. You would EXPECT high volumes of commits. The marketing has worked, but when you have huge variation in coaching, in standards, in facilities, in size of area to draw from etc, Im not sure how you can attribute that success to essentially the Franchisor. A successful Dunkin Donuts is down to the people that run it and the area it is in. DD provide way more support than the ECNL does. The Clubs that are successful are that way becasue of the people that run them, not becasue of the ECNL

Anonymous said...

ECNL umbrella still provided the conduit

Anonymous said...

coduit to what? Coaches were talking to the Clubs and recruiting players. yes they made it easier - for the coaches. Parents foot the bill. The only kids helped by the ECNL are the mid level ones who may have attracted interest from schools that they would otherwise not. This is somewhat contradictory to the ECNL claims. In my opinion the ECNL does very little for the best players.

Anonymous said...

Yes, your opinion.
How can you argue that college coaches have been attracted to ecnl events, games etc?
I don't think the poster is saying that it's 100% ecnl, but look at the stats

Anonymous said...

@912 Plenty of clubs will take multiple players from another club, if only to get their best player, then jettison the rest after one season.

If you desire a super competitive, toxic environment, then have at it. Do your homework.

Anonymous said...

That's why I ask
I see the roster numbers are high. That's the money making side of things.
I'd think the players that hardly see the field at game time would just leave on their own
But then again, college roster numbers are that high or higher

Anonymous said...

1048 obviously my opinion, but not alone in it. Look at our youth teams. They are predominantly ECNL. Not playing good soccer ( forget the results)

Anonymous said...

Central PA parents drive their kids from/through Lancaster area to get to PF because it currently offers a better product than PAC.
That product includes quality of training some of which is the trainer and much is the quality of the other players with whom a player trains. This increased quality raises the level of the training. In addition to being higher level, the training is more frequent at Penn Fusion. And this is a considerable difference. Now the DA will equalize that, but for now there is a big difference.

Level of competition: Talent aggregator and developer, ECNL, play more consistent, high level competition, and those kids will develop more readily from that experience. There are no more weak teams in the NE ECNL and the tournaments are showing that the teams are flighted higher. Yes there are individual USYSA and NPL teams that can compete with ECNL teams, but they no longer can find consistent high level competition to provide optimal development. The national league has several ECNL B teams and huge GD.

I have older children, and this ECNL aggregation is no different from the way it was in the past. Only difference is that the talent went to individual TEAMS that put out a consistently high quality product rather than specific CLUBS.

Over time, PAC may develop their trainers and aggregate talent and compete well with PF. However, in our children's last couple years, PF will probably see no competition in PAC.

I think for the first couple of years we will be back with big variability in quality of competition. The ECNL-> DA teams will be strong the de novo start ups will be variable. Wish my kid at this level was a couple years older or younger. Ours will just be caught in the growing pains.

Anonymous said...

I think there actually are at least 5-6 kids 01, 00, 99 who came right from PAC to PF. If they thought the opportunity was equivalent they wouldn't have left.

Anonymous said...

So who is playing good soccer then?

Anonymous said...

Not sure how DA will equalize the training and coaching
Is there additional coaching staff being added to PAC? A label will not change anything if it's the same personnel....
What am I missing? The frequency of training will change yes

Anonymous said...

11:24
And they wouldn't return for DA I'm guessing?

Anonymous said...

Over time trainers/coaches will want to be associated with the DA and there will be additions to the PAC stable for sure. Just as happened with the boys.

Anonymous said...

"PA parents drive their kids through Lancaster, past PAC to Penn Fusion because it is a better product"

- AND - even more importantly - or even solely - because it is ECNL

That's the point - starting in fall 2017 PAC is on the same level

Anonymous said...

11:32

"The frequency of training will change (with DA) - yes"

As will WHERE they play the games (top venues) - and who they play against - and who ATTENDS the games.

Dont discount the uptick.

Anonymous said...

No they would not return for an untried product. These, by the way, are starter 90 minute type kids at PF. Big parts of the spine for 3 teams. Clearly, when they left PAC, they were looking to play at the highest level with the most opportunity for development and exposure. They seemed to have found it at PF and now, in the twilight of their career, I would doubt they would shake it up for untried PAC product.

The two 00 I think made a stop along the way at Strikers and then after a varying period of time made the transition to PF. All but one I think made the transition around u14.

I think some of the 02s and younger who are currently traveling to PF from Lancaster or reading area will be watching PAC closely to see if a shorter commute will return the same in the future. There may be a leak back in the next year or two, but most won't leave a good situation at PF for something untried. If there are younger bubble players not happy with play time or position or whatever, they may float back westward sooner.

Anonymous said...

1144 No they won't immediately be on the same level. They will play in the same league, with the same requirements for participation, but the level may be very different. PAC has let its older girls teams decline in favor of pushing the boys forward. Unless the kids come back who left, they won't be of the same level as PF.

That said, all of the kids who left would make an immediate impact at PAC. So if they do come back the levels between PF and PAC will, at least somewhat, equalize. Especially the 99 Goal scorer would bump up the oldest age group significantly. Coupled with the 00 midfielders there would be a real shift. They could be a package because they go to the same school. Soon, time will tell where this falls out.

Anonymous said...

Judging by the detail, some of you seem to be close to these clubs
Can you tell me what happened to Hoffard? He's listed as coaching staff but doesn't seem to be coaching any teams.
I would think he would have attracted players this coming fall.

Anonymous said...

11:44,
I don't know if PAC will be on the same level, you will have to look at the club overall and if there will be defections from PF back. And Isn’t PF going to have a DA of their own so at this point the option is within the club.. If this is the case PAC will most likely draw from within and outliers who are at perceived lower clubs. Someone on the board mentioned that his daughter was encouraged or instructed by her recruiting coach to play DA, as DA is a new unknown the speculation that they will be fully ramped up and vetted by fall of 2017 seems like an over-reach.

Anonymous said...

There are definitely players looking in the area. Here's a post copied from U16 blog, some of you latest posters could probably answer

"Hoping and looking for some factual answers and experiences..
My daughter wants to tryout for DA at PF. We technically could drive to Classics or Spirit instead.
Other than travel expenses to the club, can I get pros and cons from any PF, Classic or Spirit parents?"

Anonymous said...

I always get a kick out of statements that say a GIRLS program was ignored to focus on the boys.

Do the girls coaches really get moved to the boys clubs (WITHIN a club) that often?

Are there more practices where only 1 coach is present?

Do they enter less (or LESSER) events when this lowering of the girls side takes place?

I thik its mostly BUNK.

Anonymous said...

SPIRIT is associated with an NWSL club so I would give them the nod - all other things equal.

By the way - in all this for 2017-18 - and we saw it this year with birth year change - don't ASSUME you can project which kids your daughter will be playing with - in staying with and making your current DA team (say.....PF) vs going somewhere else

You don't always know what the other families are doing and who is making the jump from other clubs, even from tryout sessions.

Go into it KNOWING the makeup of the team for 2017-18 is a mystery - and be open minded to it.

Anonymous said...

12:16 not bunk
I've heard the same message from many parents regarding the girls side.
Many coaches coach both girls and boys. Only one coach per team anyway so yes only one at practice. Lesser tournaments, you got it...
The older girls got the shaft but part of this was due to birth year changes too

Anonymous said...

1124 I would be stunned if anyone who watched the US in the U20 or U 17 World Cup would be happy with what they say. Either

a. we did not pick the right players
b. we cannot coach them
c. the RoW has better talent
d. none of the above

if a or b have any merit, then we should be concerned because the same people are currently running the GDA roll out

I read so many comments where the words "best" or "elite" are used to describe players. On a global level, If our so called best players are not capable of getting out of a group. or not capable of creating more chances than Ghana
,do we have a right to call ourselves Elite? I think its relevant becasue I keep hearing what a wonderful job the ECNL is doing.

I keep repeating myself , that the success of any league starts with the players. As long as you allow the same people to identify what talent and potential are, not much will change. I have no confidence that the folks in charge know what it looks like and in some cases talent = the ability to pay.

Anonymous said...

Amen 12:34!!!!
Same reason we like coaches to change when our girls are going through the ranks. Different philosophies, different looks
Here's a personal example: my daughter has 3 coaches following her, they each see something they like in her, each a different thing. Her existing coach has decided to pick favorites and she's not one of them...she was last year.

Anonymous said...

12:34

"Bith year changes hasd something to do with it...."

Oh, so by "got the shaft" you mean they didnt win as much.

Not really the same, is it?

Easy to compare tournaments attended by using GS.

Anonymous said...

PAC did not invest in the girls programs. Thy treated them like the boys B teams. Less frequent training. Sharing fields with 4-6 other teams, entering lesser events. Why do you think the best kids left for PF? Because they could get the same locally/ Nope. PAC 00 not even going to Jeff cup. Didn't go to CASL. Attending all its own little local tournament. I just looked at their results and they are declining. Might be the age change, but not headed in the right direction

Anonymous said...

Are you boys DOC by chance?

Anonymous said...

12:48
Were they not accepted to CASL and Jeff Cup? Or didn't they apply?
The birth year change affected many smaller clubs when it comes to team rankings and being accepted into tournaments

Anonymous said...

12:40

My daughter had the same expereince with an ECNL club, Was highly regarded as a U15, was getting real interest from colleges and had some good contact, coaching change at u16 and she fell out of favor, basically a waste of a year at about $10K. Fall of 2016 started with a new club, new coach and recovered her recruiting interest. Came to find out that the U16 coach had alliances with another player for whatever reason and put her forward, also in talking with college coaches they asked if my daughter's club coach passed on their interest...he never did. So, good club, great coach DOC at U15, Same club, lousy coach (record plumetted under him with better players) U16, he was "re-assigned" but at that point we were unhappy with the way the DOC handled things as well, he has since go on to coach at a college. Can't stop the machine....

Anonymous said...

So eerie 1:07
Her coach is also "forgetting" to pass on contact and interest to us...Luckily she is doing her own work and contacting coaches.
She missed out on one opportunity for sure bc of the drop in communication.

Anonymous said...

1:13

Almost criminal to not pass on interest. It shows the power a coach has if you are expecting their support and engagement. My daughter's current situation is much better. College coaches actually say good things about her club coach.

Anonymous said...

Didnt affect them that much, 1:03 - they got ACADEMY

I dont think "ignoring" the girls side and then getting awarded the ACADEMY designation jibe.

I think some PF parents that left are just knocking Classics ahead of the season beginning in fall - getting a head start on it, if you will - and disuading local talent from going there for quite obvious reasons

funny

Anonymous said...

We dont have that in Jersey - you dont see PDA knocking Cedar Stars

On Long Island, sure (Albertson vs East Meadow is a cat fight) - but who wants to emulate them?

Anonymous said...

1:39 good possibility it's sour grapes
Seemed like a very personal message
They got GDA mostly bc of great boys DA and Tod hofard joining them I hear

Anonymous said...

Are you talking about the NT gk coach?

Anonymous said...

Or maybe PF is worried PAC will now be the more dominate club moving forward in the future? They should be !

Anonymous said...

"Super competitive, toxic environment" mentioned above - beware of that. My daughter is in one, and wants out, which will happen. Although capable, she now does not want to pursue GDA, ECNL, etc. which she had started to do, but rather she wants to deescalate the soccer arms race to a level where she might be able to find the fun again. She was likely tracking D1, but now I will be surprised if she continues to play through the end of high school. This business is not cut out for everyone. A player can flame-out at anytime.

Anonymous said...

1:58 love it!
Comic relief of the day!
2:02
That's quite the shame. Was it a toxic "girl thing"? Or from coach etc...

Anonymous said...

She can still "track D1", 2:02 - even without playing club ball.

Attend some college ID sessions. The love for the game may be rekindled there. Girls - and coaches - on best behavior.

Good luck. You dont get to do it twice - so keep her going if you can

Anonymous said...

Love it 2:10
More of this on this blog....

Anonymous said...

8:48 - and a very good coach advocating on behalf of his club and players is a bad thing? News feed, it's exactly what members/players/parents want to happen. Btw - You sound bitter. Let it go Louie, let it go!

Anonymous said...

PAC parent 12:48 or PAC hater?

Anonymous said...

1246 no idea what you are talking about. Im talking about the so called best . The National Teams. Dont think Got Soccer has anything to do with that.

Anonymous said...

PAC got the GDA because of geography and Christian Pulisic/BDA. One just needs to look at the results for these teams to see the decline relative to their competition over the last couple years. No player or their family who left PAC for PF has sour grapes. They were developed there by some great coaches. They all played a lot and in prime CM positions. The player and competition level wasn't ultimately there for them to continue to develop at an ideal rate and the USYSA format did not provide an ideal venue for exposure. Simply they outgrew the teams.

Being the best kid on the team never is an optimal developmental scenario. They all were hugely successful after leaving. The facts are that PAC are starting at a lower level than PF for next year. That is unless the unlikely scenario that the central PA kids leave their PF teams for a relatively unknown PAC situation play out.

PAC will likely catch up over time with PF if they provide a good product to persuade the kids from continuing their drive eastward. I hope that PAC is successful and provide an excellent venue for player development and exposure in the future. It is my personal opinion that they are starting behind PF for next year. No my kid is not playing for or trying out for PAC; this is jmho.

Anonymous said...

1:58 - not sure why the debate about which club will get better players for it's GDA. What does it matter? Plenty of good soccer kids out there. You choose what best works for you.

It seems like there is more spin on this blog anymore than helpful insight. Just a day or so the debates that PF was not doing GDA from those in the know, allegedly. Spin, spin, spin.

Reading through the bs, seems like some people trying to pick their kids' teams when some leave for GDA. Just relax and enjoy the rest of their club playing time.

Anonymous said...

Competition brother
Looking for the angry parents so they can find the right club for their daughter :)
Great post 3:05
Must at least be local to PAC, or bored to look up at their stats

Anonymous said...

317 I agree 100pct. If the aim is development, no one should really care who else is on the team becasue they are all hand picked and above a certain standard right? It just goes to show that who wins the games is still the driver for most parents.

Anonymous said...

305 your hypothesis about best on a team assumes that top kids ONLY play in that environment. Thats not often the case. The real eltie player is often the best player on their Club team but probably trains with older , better players both male and female. Development is no limited to playing games on a Club team.

Anonymous said...

353 when do we get to see these "real" elite players. Are they getting scholarships to P5s? Will we see them in college? Or will they come out of the woodwork to tryout for the DA this spring and we will all be surprised? BTW several of the PAC->PF kids played/trained up and with boys.

317 what do you hope to get out of reading this blog? I don't get the holier than thou garbage you spew. I derive entertainment and potentially some information and enjoy other's insights on this site. The negative garbage I can do without.

317 that's exactly the point. Will there be a standard that is the same at PF and PAC? Or PDA and Cedar stars? and on on and on. I think there will be a big discrepancy in quality yet again just as it was beginning to even out in most of the ECNL. No I don't think enough players will be able to meet the "standard" as a result some, likely newer, teams will be populated with several substandard kids. The sub rules will work in favor of the teams that are less deep. Remains to be seen what the relative competitiveness turns out to be.

Anonymous said...

2:10 - Good insight.

Anonymous said...

Not sure why any of this matters long term . These girls will go to college , play some soccer , need some mental therapy ,get a degree , get married , have some kids , end of story ! Parents need to stop being delusional about your little Mias . It's really sad !

Anonymous said...

535 so what do you expect to gain reading this blog? Other than some perverse zing over lauding your ananomous superiority over other readers and posters. Better get some of your prophecied therapy since you clearly possess some serious pathology.

Anonymous said...

Well 4:17 - i see your post as negative. Some seem to be attempt to steer or manipulate. When the posts are more inflamatory than informative (when they were informative), something is wrong. Let's stay informative.

Anonymous said...

Don't you think most kids that are good and have played together will stay together? For instance, if you have played with or against older kids in your club; have a relationship with them; are good (talent a given in this), won't you most likely be chosen for GDA over an unknown?

Anonymous said...

601 clearly you are one of those parents . A therapists dream .

Anonymous said...


To the person the keeps using the word spin. Do you understand the meaning of spin, or to spin information? Nothing that has been written was spin. If a someone writes that PF has to choose GDA or ECNL how is that spin?? It was a fact that PF had to make a choice this week between GDA and ECNL. They went with GDA as most people thought they would. How is any of that spin??? I don't care about subject or whatever it is you people are writing about, but I haven't seen any example of spin.

Anonymous said...

I fully understand the use of the word and it's appropriate when the information is still being spewed out there that is incorrect, knowingly. Misinformation (intentional sometimes to make people think otherwise about their choices) is not cool. As someone posted, they probably read FB and believe info in it; propogate it; as well. I know someone reached out to my friend to try to get her daughter to leave PF to go to another GDA as a result. How many others? Spin and not cool.

Anonymous said...

What specifically are you talking about? What I read is clearly largely opinion and conjecture. I don't see much that claims to be authoritative. Isn't that the point of the blog. What I do see is a lot of people taking shots at others for contributing. Most of ehT I have read is entertaining. If you keep doing this there soon won't be any opinion or conjecture on here to which you can respond.

Anonymous said...

It is fair enough to "attack" a specific post's content. Attacking posters is unnecessary and will kill the blog . If someone puts forward- I think this will happen because... or other words that are the same thing then if you believe it and act on their opinion or conjecture that is on you. If such commentary prompts you to have a conversation with you doc as in -are you going to keep the ECNL or accept your DA spot so I can plan with my child accordingly. Then that's a positive outcome of reading the blogs. What you choose to do with the conjecture and opinion voiced here is your choice. Someone convinced in leaving a club to go to another based on information supplied here challenges belief.
The only evil intent here is in posts that try an pin motives on people by attacking the posters and their children. You don't know why anyone posts. There may be a few who get perverse entertainment by intentionally trying to put forward information that isn't true. But really that is only fodder for further discussion and really is just entertainment itself. You really believe at face value everything put on here and would make choices based on these discussions? When blogs go to personal attacks usually the legitimate posters go away and only the few problem people will be left. The entertainment and any information that may lead to useful discussions between parents and doc/ coaches will be no longer.

Anonymous said...

here's an interesting exercise for someone. look at the top teams listed on got soccer. See how many are ECNL teams (sometimes it doesn't say specifically) look at the non ECNL teams history and see how they do when they play ECNL teams. Look how many are actually ECNL B teams (SAC United) The collection of talent has shifted substantially to the ECNL. How much will shift to the DA?

Anonymous said...

Are you serious? Nobody pays attention to GotSoccer points. ECNL teams don't play their full teams in non-ECNL showcases. Committed kids generally don't play; most times. This argument has been overplayed for years. Check the college committments and the NWSL drafts.

Anonymous said...

I think that is what the poster is saying. Btw MNT game not too bad. Nice win.

Anonymous said...

1056 the post isn't to the points its to the results. Got soccer is useful to see how the teams stack up against each other and like opponents

Anonymous said...

And by the way, the post says to compare results not points. The point of the post was to say that objectively, the ECNL has been largely (not completely as no aggregation will ever be) successful in aggregating talent.

Anonymous said...

Feb 3 417

Most of the kids I'm referring to already have commitments for Colleges. There is a misunderstanding that development is confined to Club practices. Its not and Im not referring to pirate lessons. If a kid wants to practice more, at most Clubs she can.

Anonymous said...

Hahahaha...I'm assuming you meant private lessons, not pirate lessons. Ar ar! :)

Anonymous said...

8:03 - agreed most of the top players invest in lessons outside of club as well. I wonder if that will change with the GDA since it's more development. Hmmmmm.

Anonymous said...

11:39 - agreed.

Anonymous said...

803 what are you referring to?
First you say development isn't confined to club practices. Ok that's obvious. Then you say but the kids can get more practices within the club. Ok on that too. My kid trains with older kids and sometimes plays with them and also trains with boys. Ok with you there too. But still not seeing your original point which was what exactly?

Anonymous said...

Dont have them play competitively with boys at older ages.

Asking for trouble

Anonymous said...

410 am the point was in ref to people who think that development is limited to the x days a week currently offered by the current Club with players of the same team/ age. A lot of comments int the last week or so seem to think GDA is going to revolutionize development by offering one extra practice. My point is that the extra commitment the DA is institutionalizing is already what many dedicated players do. i.e. no real changes for the very player they are targeting.

If you child is dedicated to the sport then I am not convinced that the DA is much of a change if any.

Anonymous said...

It's not just the add'l day of practice, but what they can do in the practices. Instead of going over and over things that some aren't getting, they can move the team forward with higher level drills, more film, more situational training, etc.

Anonymous said...

1212 Except the DA has NOTHING to do with team. Its all about individual development. This whole thing is being set up by the USSF to find a handful of special players across the nation. As more and more Clubs have meetings to roll out their plans, it also becomes clear that there are some myths out there.

1. its not necessarily cheaper than ECNL.
2.HS soccer is not really allowed.
3.Travel looks worse given the one game per weekend set up

I still dont see what it really adds. Its a program for kids who really want to be full time soccer in and environment where full time soccer has almost no additional benefits.

Anonymous said...

My guess is you speculators(DA haters) also lost money last night

Anonymous said...

Received the email this past weekend. No merger between CFC and PF. Both clubs will continue to serve the soccer community with the high standards currently in place as individual clubs.

Anonymous said...

825 Im not a DA hater. I would love it to be successful in it stated goals, I just dont see how it can be in the current set up. To work properly, you need a thriving Womens pro league and Clubs willing to pay to develop young players . Right now there is no reason for a GDA. It adds nothing transformational to the current landscape. USSF could spend the same amount of money on full time staff scouting existing leagues, or doing more Regional camps. This whole thing feels like a huge reaction to satisfy the ego of a few people. Really look at it. What are teh significant prgramming / developmental differences to the ECNL ?

No Reentry vs Hal rules - Could argue that any system that gets more kids playing time is better in the Dev phase

One game per week vs 2 - less is better, but interesting that the rules go out the window come tournament time

Better practice to game ratio - Im not sure that this will be the case at all Clubs. At some the practice to game ratio will not change at all.

Thats about it. There may be a few new coaches, but I doubt many. There will be kids who decide to play HS and therefore dilute the pool.

Im not a hater, Im just looking at it objectively. I would love someone else to point out any major differences I have missed.

Anonymous said...

2:10 & 5:35 - Amen! I have said it before on this blog. I used to find it filled with great information. Then it became filled with such soccer "superiority" that it became monotonous. I switched to a different soccer blog with more college info.

4:17- This post is just laughable. The discussion on whether one believes the GDA will be worthwhile vs ECNL and some conjecture is great. Constant posting over the same discussion filled with opinions on clubs, etc, gets old.

What I hope to get out of this blog is useful information. And sadly, there is not that much of it anymore. I check in every other week or so hoping it would change, but sadly it hasn't. What I find most amazing, is that most of the kids who are playing at a high level are seeking out college recruitment. That is what I would like to see on this blog. If they are already committed, then continuing their development is key so they are ready to play at the collegiate level. IMO they can do that in either league ECNL, GDA, whatever.

If this blog was for younger aged players, then the conjecture and opinions on what is better would definitely be more helpful. But at the age that this blog is supposed to be about, we are talking about ONE year.



Anonymous said...

The entertainment factor has taken over
I also read those posts as instigating and waiting for the type of replies that will follow.

Anonymous said...

7:59 - so noted. It doesn't suit you/your child. Not for everyone. Don't begrudge those who are interested in pursuing it.

Anonymous said...

9:24 - Amen. It was interesting to see how many were speculating about the default of the GDA and which teams would be backing out, etc. Pat's, Cubs, Cavs, Leicester City, FC - the sporting gods are saying don't count anything out anymore. Longshots are vogue.

Anonymous said...

924 . Blogs are a function of contributions. I would say more for debate than for dissemination of information, If you want a topic that interest you, then you could always start one. The GDA debate is interesting to me, more becasue very few on here are actually debating anything. My issue is that every opinion is interpreted with a personal slant that often is just not there. Whether our kids do it or not, there are certain facts that are coming to light that are very different from the initial perception. I believed that kids would go to the GDA when faced with a choice simply becasue of cost. It was initially a big selling point from the USSF. It was often cited that the boys was free. I dont think this is the case at many Clubs. Its interesting to note that some DFAs will be free and others may be more than the equivalent ECNL offering. Thats news to me.

We then heard that HS was grandfathered. Its not.

I still thin that several Clubs are debating the pros and cons of doing the GDA.

Anonymous said...

Speaking for us here lately...I posted about our factual experiences with recruiting only to be belittled by others with different experiences.
If only parents would understand there's no "mold" to this recruiting thing.
Just do what you can, when you can, if you can and do your best!
Not about you but about your daughter's future!

Anonymous said...

It may be one year for you, but it is 2 for many of us and they are a crucial two years.
The recruiting thing is different based on the players abilities, recruitability, academic aspirations and soccer aspirations. It is highly personal and there is no one size fits all.

The highest level kids are being recruited into the power 5. They may or may not have soccer aspirations beyond college. Most of the lower level kids see soccer as a great character building activity that they love and may help them become better people and even gain entry into a school which would be challenging for them on other merit alone. all great aspects of the youth soccer experience.

I have one of each type and all information has been largely helpful. thanks to the contributers.

Anonymous said...

11:45 I completely understand. That is the reason I have not frequented this blog as often. One would think reading this blog that every parent on here has a NT caliber player. We all know that isn't true but it certainly appears that way.

11:44 thank you for the lesson on blogs, I wasn't aware..... My point is that there are so many readers of this blog, I know I am not the only one that has been turned off by the vocal minority. Maybe if people weren't made to feel less when they truly are just looking for their soccer kids to grow as a player, attend college, play some soccer and then proceed with the rest of their lives. I am sure these are talented players we are talking about. But I know the atmosphere on this blog is very "soccer-uppity".

No offense to anyone, but we all know there are very few truly elite players.....talented, definitely! But truly elite...not as many. Shame all those parents don't always feel welcome to post.

Anonymous said...

116 . They do. Problem is no one is going to start a post wit. My kid is elite.. I have posted several things i know first hand from direct NT experience only to be told by other that its not true :) AS a parent of a kid who like all the others is just trying top do her best on the field and in the classroom, I dont take any of this stuff personally. I know where my kid stacks up and I know the challenges she faces. Does not mean that others face the same.

I think that people read posts in very different ways. What i see as factual you may see as condescending. etc. I think its rarely intended that way.

I dont see it as soccer uppity at all really, just everyone's level and experiences are different and with no context, its hard to relate It would be a lot better if every post was accompanied by - Parent of ECNL player or Parent of NPL starter etc. Wont happen becasue people like the anonymity...Unless your name is Eric Harris

Anonymous said...

ECNL are allowing pda and stars MA to keep ECNL and DA. They are the only clubs deep enough to play both. PF and MF had to choose between the 2 leagues.

Anonymous said...

Ah, not true. There are other clubs that have depth as well. Don't you think it's because BOTH of their directors are on the Board. http://www.eliteclubsnationalleague.com/about-ecnl/leadership/

Seems like a conflict of interest to me. I would challenge the validity of that decision for sure.

Anonymous said...

Oh my "not true" comment was toward ECNL not toward the poster. Instead of embracing the change, ECNL wants to try to take on USSF.

Anonymous said...

Agreed. Sounds like they are limiting commerce. Who do they think they are the NFL and have congressional approval for a limited monopoly? I forsee some legal challenges down the road.

Anonymous said...

Having watched the NPL teams of PF and MF I don't think they are good enough to put out a quality team in both DA and ECNL without further recruitment. There maybe other clubs that are deep enough, I don't know, I was just providing information.

Anonymous said...

That is a strange measuring stick. No predicting how a new ECNL squad would fare. You know some kids don't make a current ECNL team because the slots are filled and move elsewhere. If there were spots, then they would stay. So, now, there will be spots and some kids will be moved up or over (from other ECNL teams that don't want to play GDA not that they couldn't). How many people turned to another show in the 3rd quarter of yesterday's SB game? Why not let it play out for a year?

Anonymous said...

I am in an ECNL club. We have kids wanting to come out all the time. And, you would get more because you have the carrot stick of GDA as a possible goal. Silly stuff. ECNL should respect the clubs that helped it reach it's pinnacle and give them the opportunity. Sounds punitive.

Anonymous said...

7:41 - what's wrong with add'l recruiting to fill in spots (as the above people have noted)? That is how it works especially at this age. When the word goes out that this team or that team has spots to fill, kids that were looking to move and waiting for an opening then do so.

Anonymous said...

Are some of you saying that existing ECNL girls would go GDA instead?
I don't see that for players with roster spots 1-16. Maybe for spots 17-24+

Anonymous said...

I don't agree roster 1-5 ECNL kids are hoping to stay in or get a sniff at national pool. They will have no reservations in joining GDA. They will open ECNL spots for others inside or outside the club. The 5-18 who love High school and aren't important enough for the clubs to allow to join after HS season will have to make a choice. many will choose High school especially if seniors. They may in fact help fill rosters of clubs with both GDA as there will be available roster spots on ECNL as the best move up. They may make up roster 1-5 instead of 5-18 in that scenario.

Anonymous said...

You forgot roster 18-24+, gotta make money
Roster 1-5 are already committed. Wonder what future college coach recommends they play? ecnl or gda?

Eric Harris said...

@feb 6, 3:26pm.........to funny

Eric Harris

Anonymous said...

a 10 month season makes this inconvenient for College coaches. Its funny the way people just assume interchangeability between GDA players and current ECNL ones. All adds substance to my claim that there is almost no difference in the ability required to play in either one. So once again, if the players are essentially the same then what difference does it make if we call it ECNL or GDA or ABC ?

lets play the results game. At some of the Clubs that have both, the deciding fator iin a best of three series between the top GDA team or top ECNL team my solely rest on whether one or 2 top kids decide to play HS or not. Think about that.

Anonymous said...

Good read and interesting how the field is changing...

http://www.blackandredunited.com/youth-development/2017/2/6/14526454/washington-spirit-girls-development-academy-bryc-loudoun-arlington-soccer-nwsl

Anonymous said...

7:47

I think you are off base

It wont be for every family but a good percentage of what you call the "top" ECNL players (I dont distinguish rostered players from one another) will indeed be playing Academy soccer in the fall - or in November at the latest.

The tricky part - as has been described here - will be running sessions in the fall MINUS the HS players - and mixing them in after the HS season finishes

But I'd expect the teams to manage it in some way.

Anonymous said...

By the way - I'd recommend that you tell the Academy team up front if your daughter is not planning to play HS soccer if accepted. They'd love this - in order to plan ahead.

Anonymous said...

11:29 off base? I thought I was asking a question
The HS play is not going to be accepted, no matter what all the rumors and wishes are.
Plus, do you really think the girls that would choose HS soccer will have an even playing field once they join?
Are you familiar with the ecnl roster? Have you talked to the girls that seldom or never see the game field? "You" may not look at player rankings, but they're there

Anonymous said...


There won't be a high school option for GDA players. Boys DA were told they had to pick. The same will happen with the girls.

Anonymous said...

1240 100 pct correct. You can pick HS and hope there is a spot for you when HS ends,but you will not be allowed to attend GDA practices and cannot be part of it.This may be a non issue for teams that do not have enough players. Or for teams who intend to roster the max numbers but if I were a kid who had decided to do GDA, I cant say i will be happy if some kids parachute in and start taking time away from those who have committed full time. I expect anyone who tries to do both will be hit hard by the USSF and the other members.

Anonymous said...

A general question to parents of kids currently playing in the ECNL.

WHY do you want to be part of the GDA if indeed you do?

Anonymous said...

You can't pick high school and then shoot for a spot in the spring. DA programs won't do it. You are either in or out. USSF might give an option, but it is one that quality DA programs don't take. It causes way too many problems.

Anonymous said...

My kid wants to do GDA because High school soccer is crap and she wants to make sure she is as good as she can be for college. She is committed to a top power 5 and is a top player on her ECNL team. Not crazy for her to hope to get a national look someday.

Anonymous said...

407 Did she consider not playing HS soccer pre GDA ?

Anonymous said...

yes didn't play in ninth grade because was young enough to play u14. Played next 2 years because really wasn't a decent option to continue to train.

Anonymous said...

http://www.pennfusion.org/DA/index_E.html

Anonymous said...

4:07 I agree with you - forget the HS soccer thing for a bit, for some girls that's a game changer I get. My girl loves it and her team almost as much as her club team and they are not a very good HS team middle to bottom of the table. That will be enough for some kids to skip GDA and that'son them.

Just remember this age group is filling YNT player pools not NT player pools. When they go to college and if they play D1 and stand out they will be on the radar. There are not many teenage girls that get a full NT look. At the youth ages they go by what the coaches say as they get older they have D1 stats and every game is on film.

So I hope she keeps dreaming, pushing herself to the edge and develops those skills because the player pool gets a lot bigger when she gets to college gone will be the days of the club coaching helping the way for some it will be all on the players for everyone to see.

Anonymous said...

8;17 here again - when I say club coach helping - what I am saying is that the coach can't push the entire team even if everyone is great he still has to make a selection and push only a few based on his/her opinion. Nothing wrong with that just a fact.

Anonymous said...

8:17 - Good points. Just like you said, though, the college pool gets bigger. The GDA will be a smaller pool for her to catch someone's eye as the YNT pool has a pyramid as well.

Anonymous said...

825 ..may I ask how you know this?

Anonymous said...

817 the foundations a player lays when young usually determine the path they take. The problem with many of the comments here are they seem to assume that you can "catch up". In an ideal soccer world you cant. a year invested at years old is worth far more than a year invested at 17.

In the current US soccer world, it is possible to catch up because , quite frankly, the technical standards here are pretty low. Athletic late developers can catch up to the pack with a bit of effort. becasue we are not collectively investing much in our kids at a younger age. The GDA in time may well change that if its done right.



Anonymous said...

8:40 - I agree with that poster, too. Playing against like aged/similar players may be a lot easier to stand out than a college fresh playing a seasoned college 5th yr. senior.

Anonymous said...

@8:57 - yes, some kids may not see substantial playing time until late soph/jr. year in college in some programs. Why not take advantage of the here and now, if this is what you want?

Anonymous said...

Saw the PF ID dates
Does anyone know if Classics will hold ID for outside players? They mention it on site but it's been a while...

Anonymous said...

Contact their DOC and find out?

Anonymous said...

:)
My guess is that was a question for local classic people

Anonymous said...

9:00 No one is saying don't take advantage. I'm saying this is YNT not NT the player pool will have the YNT player pool plus D1 college players that were also in the YNT player pools but are older. Let's not forget the NWSL and semi-pro leagues that put players in the NT pool.

8:47 done right or not the people on top picking the team is all that matters.They will look for players that fit their style and with a huge player pool very easy to get lost. Just look at our NT for how long did we have the same faces, I doubt that we had no one to take their place - the staff selecting didn't want change.

Anonymous said...

1122 I agree. My kid is an unusual player and does not fit in all systems- the current one specifically. But there is much time left in her career for a change of guard and a we hope for a change to a more sophisticated Brazilian type Samba, the style in which she excels. So whether or not she makes it to the WNT or not, she wishes, now, to position herself as favorably as possible to achieve her goals. The GDA will do that because for years forward, the USSF will be trying to prove its success and pulling kids up with GDA histories will be a political advantage. Not one necessarily that will rule the day, but an advantage none the less.

Anonymous said...

Completely agree that the YNT call ups and staying power are highly politically dependent. However, I also think that to some extent the college age YNT and WNT are not without their reliance on political advantage and if your child has goals including WNT camps, it is important to play the politics as she can.

Some colleges are pipelines while others the kid has to be even more dominant to catch a break. UVA, PSU/Wisconsin, Stanford, UCLA, UNC are the obvious ones. Swanson sits on the bench with Ellis. Brian is great, but there was a UVA advantage conveyed to her clearly. Would she have been as successful coming out of South Carolina? Would Savannah McKaskill have a cap by now if she went to one of the favored colleges? College does help level the playing field. However, some of the advantage from YNT politics carries over to college too. Who have these colleges committed for 2018? Pretty much all YNT players...

Will be great to see how Cromwell does with her uber attacking roster this year. I love Flemming. My kid is trying to model her game in parallel to her. Flemming will have more options and will have less defensive attention directed to her this year. Will Pugh and Sanchez blow away the competition? They certainly didn't in the u20 WC, but they didn't have a Flemming behind them pulling the strings.

Will be fun to watch. I appreciate your comments on the YNT situations thanks.

Anonymous said...

I think Ms Brian and her 186 high school goals and 4 state titles were on the US radar - even had she gone to S Carolina.

Played HS basketball as well - imagine that, DA, no HS ball lovers. (Was All State as well)

Anonymous said...

McCaskill? I dont know - has she not had a chance to prove herself nationally? What has she attended?

Tyler Lussi went to Princeton - she is now in a camp, looking to further impress. Takes all avenues to create a team.

Anonymous said...

DA does not stop you from playing winter sports
Not factual

Anonymous said...

1222 and others. I think you are over complicating this greatly. Brain was on the radar before she set foot on the UVA campus. She changed her commitment as well if I recall. You ignore eh basic facts that the schools you mention historically attract the best players. Its that simple. They offer a blend of soccer, academics and exposure that most other schools cannot compete with. So if many of the best youth players go to those schools and work with some of the best coaches then surely they are likely to emerge in the pros and on the full NT.

1206 There are many skillful and creative players in the YNT set up. I dont think that the USSF gets all of the players who deserve a look a chance, but I dont think its a "sty;e" thing as you mention. Too much focus is being given to where a kid plays as opposed to how. USSF are going to follow he best players (in their view) wherever they play.

There is politics involved in almost every selection for anything, but I feel becasue so many parents are invested in their child, there is a tendency to overdo it. Rest assured that all you can do is hope that your child has the drive, passion and talent to follow whatever path she chooses and givers herself the best chance to achieve it - that has ZERO to do with a GDA or ECNL or any league. Thats on her with your support.

Good Luck - its not easy and there is a lot of disappointment along the way

Anonymous said...

203 where were the creative players in Jordan and new Guinea?

Anonymous said...

i said ...

There are many skillful and creative players in the YNT set up.

there are. Pugh , Sanchez, Summer Yates, Sophie Smith, Rachel Jones all spring to mind.

Combining players on the field to be effective vs all types of opponents is a totally different question. Its also why I dont buy this argument about how a change in philosophy is better or worse . the object of the game is to score goals. How you do that efficiently is not relevant to me. It may be important to some to do that with a certain style, but not to me.

Player like Dunn , Morgan, even Lloyd are scoring at the international level without being particularly technical or pleasing on the eye.

The US failure in WCs has revolved around the inability to play an effective style collectively, not the lack of creative players.

Anonymous said...

Creative in soccer definition to me is finding unexpected solutions to problems encountered on the field. The unexpectedness often involves utilizing unusually advanced technique and gives rise to entertainment also. Creative soccer is generally more entertaining to most people. That is one of the reasons we fail in marketing woso: too little entertainment.
I think Yates might be creative at some level, but I think she is going to be too small and slow to compete in the full WNT. Pugh is not creative at all. She is very athletic and expected. Sanchez the same by and large. Jones is an early maturing kid who has a low ceiling not even sure how she made this discussion. Smith is interesting. wasn't on the field enough in the u17 wc to get a great feel, but she did clearly have an impact. One to watch.

Anonymous said...

No one is saying that Morgan is not a great player, but luck folds into great success. I love these guys and have a premier coaching membership with them. They are the coaches of the LA Galaxy U14 DA team and have put a ton of kids into YNT. They came into the spotlight when the videos of their U11 and Barcelona USA "possession soccer" went viral a few years ago. They sent Ben Lederman to Barcelona.

This is a great post;

http://blog.3four3.com/2012/11/29/soccer-matters-of-circumstance/

Anonymous said...

1:48 - I don't think M Brian's hs stats would have any relevance in 2017. You are going back 5+ years in a sport that changes what they want every year. Back in that day, coaches would actually stop out to a high school game and check out talent. The numbers that played high level skilled soccer are not anywhere close to what they are today.

So, playing other sports are great, but not sure it will get anyone a darling nod anymore. A few years back, UNC won lacrosse DI title and one of their girls played on soccer as well. Next year, lacrosse only.

My older kids were multi-sport college athletes (DI; full rides). That doesn't happen too often anymore. And yes, one sport contributed more so if an opt out had to occur, that sport was the #1. Kids are steered to specialize very early anymore. I am not a fan, but that is the landscape in nearly every sport.

That is why USSF could care less about hs. It has zero meaning. Every M. Pugh didn't play all 4 years. She stopped after 3 years and only played on occasion in her soph or jr year due to her YNT commitments.

Shame, but that is the way it is for most sports.

Anonymous said...

1:51 - McCaskill was invited to the U23 and then invited up to the Sr. team for a few days this past January.

Anonymous said...

"That was an ATHLETIC move, not a creative one"

Just such silly talk.

Anonymous said...

1:51 - as did Midge P from Harvard. Drafted to NWSL and invite, again, to nat'l camp.
I like what is happening. Patriot League girl (Boston U) was invited to NT camps w/ U19 and over to New Zealand.

This is what is so great. Not just P5 getting the looks anymore.

Anonymous said...

334 I did not say Morgan is great. In fact I dont think she is.

Anonymous said...

Its PLAYERS getting the look, its not P5 or Patriot . I think the school is largely irrelevant. Purce was a youth international seh has been on the radar for a long long time.

Anonymous said...

4:15 - agreed.

Anonymous said...

407 Amen. Its either effective or its not.

301 We are all entitled to our own view of what is creative, but what are we trying to create? Opportunities to score goals would be one thing. All the players i listed achieve that in ways I consider creative. Solving problems often requires teammates who can anticipate and react in a similar manner to you. I dont see that with out YNTs but that is probably more about coaching.

I think other issues are bigger in accounting for where WoSo is than what you see as a lack of creativity.

Anonymous said...

What are the bigger issues for the WNT?
I think the issue is that there isn't enough money in it to prompt better developmental opportunities and to keep players in it so they don't retire when they are 26. To do that it has to become more popular in the USA. One of the reasons (of course not only one) it isn't popular is because it isn't entertaining. Again one of the reasons it isn't entertaining because there are very few fun to watch creative players.

Anonymous said...

the WNBA is not successful either. Do they have the same issues with creativity? It is almost impossible to have a sport built on a National team.

Anonymous said...

I think it is nonsense to criticize the NWSL at this juncture.

Lets see what this season beings after a very exciting collegiate season and pro draft.

Anonymous said...

She Believes Cup Roster:

U.S. Women's Roster:
GOALKEEPERS (3): Jane Campbell (Houston Dash), Ashlyn Harris (Orlando Pride), Alyssa Naeher (Chicago Red Stars)
DEFENDERS (7): Julie Johnston (Chicago Red Stars), Meghan Klingenberg (Portland Thorns), Ali Krieger (Orlando Pride), Kelley O'Hara (Sky Blue FC), Becky Sauerbrunn (FC Kansas City), Casey Short (Chicago Red Stars), Emily Sonnett (Portland Thorns)
MIDFIELDERS (9): Morgan Brian (Houston Dash), Tobin Heath (Portland Thorns), Lindsey Horan (Portland Thorns), Sarah Killion (Sky Blue FC), Rose Lavelle (Boston Breakers), Carli Lloyd (Houston Dash), Allie Long (Portland Thorns FC), Samantha Mewis (NC Courage), Brianna Pinto (CASL)
FORWARDS (6): Crystal Dunn (Chelsea Ladies/ENG), Alex Morgan (Lyon/FRA), Christen Press (Chicago Red Stars), Mallory Pugh (UCLA), Amy Rodriguez (FC Kansas City), Lynn Williams (NC Courage).

Anonymous said...

Wow

Pinto.

Nice honor.

Anonymous said...

Funny. i heard loads of folks here chirping about how bad the U17s and U20s were in the WC, and so far in 2017 I see them being given more opportunities. I guess we can safely assume that BJ Snow did a great job developing these players.

I am really encouraged that in the GDA world, talent will be evaluated by these folks who have such a long track record of identifying top level talent and coaching it up.

Anonymous said...


evaluated by these folks ???? Nothing is going to change! All the people are the same, both league and club. The same scouts that have been at every ECNL national event or USYS ODP event will now be the same people at the GDA events along with USYS ODP events and ECNL national events. IMO the coaching at the USSF national level is no better after all these years and is getting worse for reasons best not written here. Giving the league a new name every 5 years won't make it better.

Anonymous said...

Relax...it's Friday. Sit back and enjoy a beverage!

Anonymous said...

10:10 I agree relax and chill but I also love all the passion.

So relax chill have a beverage and continue to be passionate about our Soccer nation's growth.

Anonymous said...

Took your advice and had a drink
Need to go to work now, can I stop drinking?

Anonymous said...

ANyone attend PDA tryouts?

Anonymous said...

PDA did a nice job keeping the turnout small

Anonymous said...

133 Can I ask what that even means ?

Anonymous said...

Politically correct Low turnout :)

Anonymous said...

So we are applauding a low turnout at the pre-eminent girls Club in the area for a product that many think is ground breaking? Ok. I guess that means not much change then. As predicted.

Anonymous said...

Why the negative spin? It was invitation only so they had an idea who was attending and was intentionally low.

Anonymous said...

From U15 blog and for what it's worth:

"Low turnout you obviously were not there. Older group there were roughly 45 girls there for 23 spots. The 01-02's which mine is part of there were nearly 60 for 23 spots."

Anonymous said...

Thank you.

Anonymous said...

Does anyone have experience with J4K (Just4 Keepers). Trying to figure out the "Payment Plan"

Anonymous said...

For those wondering, Burlington is between Trenton and Cherry Hill - going toward Philly. Roughly an hour from Newark.

Thanks for the invite, Liverpool

Anonymous said...

Not really the same town, but for some reason I just thought about taking the wheel of my automobile and swinging on down. I suppose we should take the tip and make the trip.

Anonymous said...

Once again another person that doesn't know how to use the word spin.

Anonymous said...

spin
spin/Submit
verb
1.
turn or cause to turn or whirl around quickly.
"the girl spun around in alarm"
synonyms: revolve, rotate, turn, go round, whirl, gyrate, circle More
2.
draw out (wool, cotton, or other material) and convert it into threads, either by hand or with machinery.
"they spin wool into the yarn for weaving"
noun
1.
a rapid turning or whirling motion.
"he concluded the dance with a double spin"
synonyms: rotation, revolution, turn, whirl, twirl, gyration
"a spin of the wheel"
2.
informal
a brief trip in a vehicle for pleasure.
"a spin around town"
synonyms: trip, jaunt, outing, excursion, journey;

Anonymous said...

It sounds like a full ride division 1 scholarship is the unicorn only offered to high level NT pool players from the ECNL. Based on the number of fully funded scholarships per school (14) I would assume that maybe 4 full rides are available per school with the remainder being parsed out to the rest of the squad. Based on this thought would DA garner most of the scholarship $$ with ECNL now dropping to the partials? I would love to hear a cinderella story of a non-ECNL player getting a full ride to Loyola, Maryland or UNC, maybe even Penn State. I keep hearing that if you are not ECNL you won't get recruited, and when it comes along the GDA will be the only path to greatness. But then there is the benefit of soccer possibly helping with admissions, so you may not get the money but you may get into a school that you wouldn't have otherwise.

Anonymous said...

10:42 - Idiom-

put a spin on something
to twist a report or story to one's advantage; to interpret an event to make it seem favorable or beneficial to oneself or one's cause. The mayor tried to put a positive spin on the damaging polls. The pundit's spin on the new legislation was highly critical.
See also: on, put, spin
McGraw-Hill Dictionary of American Idioms and Phrasal Verbs. © 2002 by The McGraw-Hill Companies, Inc.

Anonymous said...

1:25 - that is why it is so important for the girls to have great grades to get some $$ academically as well; a combo. And, I don't believe you have to play ECNL to get recruited, it's just recommended. We were told by a highly respected DI coach to move to ECNL from a very good USYS team. He was right.

Anonymous said...

1:48
ECNL has created the platform to be seen, that's all
You can be on a good team at the right tournaments etc...without ECNL
Key word is "good" enough to be placed and accepted at right tournaments
Academic balance is huge. Daughters are going to college to prepare for their future correct?

Anonymous said...

148 Most coaches will tell you that becasue its easier for them to have all their players in one event. There si no right answer but I will attempt to clarify it. Foe the very best players it does not matter. The question is how many of the very best are NOT in the ECNL and the answer is very few. its self fulfilling becasue the ECNL added the best clubs and usually , the best clubs contain the best players.

if you remove the top layer, then its different. The issue becomes how can I differentiate myself from other players of similar ability and status. at that p[point , the ECNL helps becasue the better player are there and the coaches are there. It ends the questions as to why you are NOT in the ECNL. There are some great teams who are not in it, but again not many great Clubs. non soccer factors become important as well.

Coaches do not mind going out on a limb for exceptional players, but its harder to justify for the good solid ones.

GDA is going to be hard to assess because I can see some players avoiding it. from the info I have seen, it is not cheaper, it is not necessarily better and it does require a player to miss HS. In a girls Senior year, she may choose not to do it. If the best players go , then in time the rest will follow.

Anonymous said...

2:01 - I am 1:48 and I agree. It's the venue. And, I don't think it is the league; it is more the club.

Anonymous said...

Sorry, sent before finishing. But, when a top college coach tells you where he and his comrades are looking, first, it gets cred. And, in our case, it was an immediate (she had multiple offers in a month).

Anonymous said...

Here is the only way to tell if playing ECNL counts.

If you are a good judge of talent, see where the ECNL kids that you know (and know the level of) SIGN - then where some of the upper level non ECNL kids who are equal to or better than that player SIGN.

And beware ECNLs taking credit for already signed talent - after such player jumps to their squad late in their youth career.

Anonymous said...

2:06 some very good players have just fair to poor high school teams - nothing keeping them there

Anonymous said...

511 Uh and why do they jump to ECNL late in their career?

Anonymous said...

5:11 - kids commit for various reasons. Not everyone goes P-5 even if given the opportunity. Location, academics, $$$, opportunities outside of soccer, etc. all come into play.

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