Thursday, February 4, 2016

U16G - U16 Girls Youth Soccer

This page is focused on Under 16 girls youth soccer in Region 1.

Teams face increased competition for the top players, (who are increasingly attending college showcases).

More teams consolidate and the best teams--academy soccer, club soccer and high school teams--battle to attract and retain the right player mix.

Stay tuned. This is bound to be good.

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Anonymous said...

12:43 Contact a DOC from an ECNL club. I have heard rumors that a composite team will be formed, but not sure if League has approved yet. Post your findings.

Anonymous said...

12:43 PM

http://eliteclubsnationalleague.com/home/866369.html

Anonymous said...

Thanks not sure that link is relevant , from last year and not exactly what I heard here and around the club, Ifanybody knows anything different please post it here so that we can find it

Anonymous said...

I have not seen or heard anything from ECNL clubs that indicates a composite team of 99/00. 99 will play U18 and 00 will play U17, just like the rule was written.

Anonymous said...

I didn't hear composite team re 99/00. I heard 98/99. For the overflow re these age groups.

Anonymous said...

Suggestion would be for those interested (98/99 composite teams), reach out to an ECNL Dir of Coaching for verification/updates. And, any information received, please post for others. Thanks.

Anonymous said...

Heard about it too. Must be agreed upon by each Division. Considered a U19 Team (98/99 players; possibly some 00's). But agree, would reach out to ECNL coaches for verification and status.

Anonymous said...

The ECNL composite team is happening at the 98/99 age group only. The ECNL combined the 98/99 age groups. This left a number of players out in the cold as there are more than 20 98/99s players at each club. The answer is the composite team.

Anonymous said...

Some 00 may be included also. Great solution to the 99 issue.

Anonymous said...

As previously posted, the 99s get raw deal in the whole BYC

Anonymous said...

Any offers trickling out yet? Some current players have been told they are safe but have not heard of any offers to new players.

Anonymous said...

CFC making offers to new players

Anonymous said...

8:04 AM

At what level? PF and FCB still have a tryout date next week, looks like CFC is trying to lock up some players??

Anonymous said...

ECNL Yes trying to keep them from going back to Bucks or over to Penn fuison

Anonymous said...

It is definitely a merry-go-round. Hopefully the players are looking at the best fit, it seems like we as consumers have to settle for whatever product we get. The ECNL by nature seems to be the golden ticket but can be a bit daunting especially if you are 15-22 on the roster. Clubs know what numbers they need and who is shopping around to align with certain coaches who have the contacts they need for the next level. If you read the Bio's of the coaches you will be able to hopefully make an informed decision. Also be careful if you stay at your current team but see an influx of players from another team, brokered offers may not gaurentee playing time but loyalty to existing players is almost non-existent. The coaches are also looking for their next level jobs and they are not focused on real training at this age, acquire and win is the mantra.

Anonymous said...

I'm confused why is everyone saying the FC Bucks 00 players are leaving to CFC? Isn't FC Bucks fielding a 00 team? Why is everyone leaving?

Anonymous said...

CFC has a good group of 2000's. Excellent facilities, three practices a week and they don't carry 22 or more girls on the roster. The coaching is good and the environment is good. From an organizational standpoint the Bucks 00/01 team is having a really difficult time in the areas listed above and it is that group of people now running the 2000's. It is not a good situation for ECNL soccer. The drive wasn't bad either.

Anonymous said...

The CFC 00s would have been very weak if the Bucks kids hadn't come over. Now they will make up a highly respectable team with an excellent coach. However, no one will touch the PDA 00 team. All of the starting attacking and midfield players on the gunners are 00. Most of the u15 team are also 00. They wont even have to bring in any new blood to take a national championship. In fact there will be cuts in that age group. Penn Fusion looks like a pretty solid group of 00s assuming no new adds from top u15/16 non ECNL teams throwing their hats in. They should be competitive with CFC. Bucks will have a -34 GD next year. PDA national champs, yes I called it...

Anonymous said...

12:24 PM

So there are still tryouts for PF and FCB, CFC has not "oficially" sent out offers and you are calling for a stronger CFC team with added FCB players and PF is set with no adds. I am thinking you are either and FCB or CFC parent who has inside info. Don't start rockin the boat....

Anonymous said...

Isn't that what why this forum is entertaining? Of course there is also the plethora of important information that one may glean from this valuable resource to add to its appeal...

Anonymous said...

1224

LOL. Clueless. Champs of what?

Anonymous said...

12:24 - "yes, I called it" ! you just called it anonymously! Brave move.

12:57 12:24 is a former FCB parent.



Anonymous said...

so the last place team CFC is going to be a good team because 3 players from the next to last team FCB went to tryouts. Im confused.

Anonymous said...

Like most FCB teams you see each year they get worse. They were a state cup champion, top ranked and then after U14 the rest of the teams catch up and pass them. Certainly the case with the 00/01 FCB team. Makes sense the 00 players from the 99/00 want to get out before they run into issues. Right now we know that once a week practice will be cancelled for some odd reason or we simply dont have field space. There is a big difference in how other ECNL programs are being run. If your happy then stay, if you think the program seems stressed then move on.

Anonymous said...

Why is the rumor mill spining? Any team worth it's salt is going to take new players that are good and add value/depth to its roster, including PF, FCB, CFC, MF. It's just how it goes. The 2000's overall are very good and it should be an amazing year for soccer in this area.

Unfortunately, it is kinda hard to finish out this year with the same amount of verve (2000's are carrying some current blended 99/00 teams). Get your popcorn. It should be great!

Anonymous said...

12:24...don't call anything yet. PF has two nat'l team players, current and past...so the training STILL amazing...(for next year) so I heard. It should be awesome!!! Yes, PDA has depth, but so will other teams next year, too. The soft roster spots on other teams will be gone and it will be game on.

A lot of these kids have played together already for YNT, ODP, Regional, Select events, Academy Jr's. Things that were already birth date dictated events/teams so they know each other. It should be amazing soccer.

Anonymous said...

Agree the 2000 in the u16 group overall are generally the strongest players. The PDA 00 I agree are particularly strong but I think their back 4 will take a hit. If the u15 have a couple stud center backs I think they will be hard to beat. They have 2 national players too. Several others underrated by Ussf and might get a chance after the new year when the 00 become the u18 team. Similarly the PF u16 top players are 00 with one dominance in the midfield and forwards. One also in the national program in the past is tearing up to 15s. Bucks has a few solid 00 players that could really improve the weaker CFC 00s. The best CFC players are inarguably their 99s and I am sure would welcome an influx of 00 talent. Matchfit from midfield back are really good 00 players. Many are regional ODP standouts. Their attacking player standout however is a 99. However a weak u15 may not offer some attacking power. Seems like a great opportunity for 00 NJ players looking to give a final shot to a top program. Alternatively might be a good move for the match fit defense to move to PDA. Then I absolutely agree a national championship (only real national championship anymore) would be in its grasp.

Anonymous said...

Funny one. Keep trying to get those players. I know your daughter, you should keep quiet. PDA 2000 will be caught, average team.

Anonymous said...

Nonetheless, it will be good soccer once the 00's take over most teams. As a spectator, I can't wait. Should be awesome. And, Happy Mother's Day!

Anonymous said...

Completely agree, PDA 2000 not elite, good but not the best. How many B,C! and D teams will this result in?

Anonymous said...

@6:21 - Several of the teams with discovery players like Bucks U16's/00 may not be back though (i.e., those from the Buffalo, NY area). Now that Flash will have an ECNL team, why travel that far.

Anonymous said...

Pda are the best team in the area. They only have 4 99s. The pda 2000s are first in their conference. I am guessing they won't be average next year.

Anonymous said...

1.00am You have made many negative posts about bucks. What is your agenda? They have one player from ny who plays for them. She is a good player who has accepted a roster spot for next year. Is your team desperate for the 2 bucks players trying out?

Anonymous said...

Where are the two bucks girls trying out? Continental?

Anonymous said...

6:23 I apologize if you though my post at 1:00 am was negative. I have not made any negative posts about any teams, including Bucks. I like Bucks. I was merely asking if anyone knew if the kids (and they are not the only discovery players coming down from that area. Other teams/clubs have them as well) were going to still come down or play for NY Flash which is closer. How is that negative?

Anonymous said...

Dude there are more than 2 trying out all over the area.

Anonymous said...

6:23 cont'd. And my understanding they have two, a forward and a defender. And they are both good players. Nothing negative toward them at all. Again, they are not the only discovery players in the conference or the league from that area. It was a question since Flash is starting a team. That's all.
i know players from this league that have been invited to come to Flash.

Anonymous said...

Has anyone heard any additional information about composite team and approval status?

Anonymous said...

Has anyone heard that our u16 team lost to Mexico on pks. The point here is this: the Mexican pool is based out 90% of players from the Ecnl ! How is that possible we get 1st pick and we are still getting it wrong . How many players are we really missing?

Anonymous said...

The point is the US U16 team tied the Mex U17 team 1-1 and lost on pks. the same Mex team that made the CONCACAF final vs the US 17s and lost 1-2. The same team that is preparing for the World Cup. A team that has been prepping for some time.

So please. If you want to take as shot at the kids or the USSF, at least get you FACTS correct.

Anonymous said...

It was not the same team. Check the rosters. maybe you should get your facts straight. It was the Mexican B team. they were using the event just as the US was to see if there were any overlooked players for the WC roster.

Anonymous said...

Sounds like your kid went. Nope I am not the same poster as1:42. I agree our selection process is really screwed up with huge biases toward the FC Stars team and any player from Colorado where April Kater is centered. I can understand the emphasis on socal, but the other anamolies are unsubstantiated.

Anonymous said...

people crack me up. Just say, my kid deserves to be selected. u16s vs U17s. very credible performance. Why you use this as a tool to attack USSF selection OR the kids I have no idea. Please tell me EXACTLY who you think should be selected and why you think they will make all the difference?

NT selection is purely based on coaches preferences. Change the coaches, and the team will change. How many of the selected kids have you seen play? Why do you understand a Socal preference. Have you seen them?

I look forward to your reply.

Anonymous said...

MEX: 1-Kelsey Hernandez; 2-Ashley Soto (14-Reyna Reyes Stubblefield, 51), 3-Alessandra Munoz, 4-Kimberly Rodriguez Cubero, 5-Jimena Fuentes; 8-Alexia Delgado Alvarado (capt.), 9-Daniela Arce, 10-Dorian Hernandez Garcia, 11-Lizbeth Ovalle Munoz; 19-Venicia Juarez Smith, 20-Maricarmen Reyes Zarate (17-Luisa Delgado Heinz, 36)
Subs not used: 6-Venessa Gonzalez Marquez, 7-Dayana Cazares Vera, 12-Miriam Aguirre Olmos, 13-Maria Yokoyama Carreon, 15-Marianna Maldonado Gonzalez, 16-Celiana Torres Lopez, 18-Veronica Avalos Hurtado
Head Coach: Chris Cuellar

MEX: 12-Miriam Aguirre; 2-Ashley Soto, 3-Alessandra Ramirez, 4-Kimberly Rodriguez, 14-Reyna Reyes (18-Veronica Avalos, 90+2), 20-Maricarmen Reyes (17-Luisa Delgado, 56), 8-Alexia Delgado (capt.), 7-Dayana Cazares (19-Gabriela Juarez, 66); 9-Daniela Espinosa, 10-Montserrat Hernandez, 11-Jacqueline Ovalle
Subs Not Used: 1-Kelsey Brann, 5-Jimena Lopez, 6-Vanessa Gonzalez, 13-Akemi Yokoyama, 15-Alma Lopez, 16-Alexandra Martinez
Head Coach: Christopher Cuellar


I see several common players.

Anonymous said...

814

How do you know what the USSF were using the event for? The U17 team is set. You will not see non injury changes. U16 team is not playing for U17 selection.

Anonymous said...

Several common players is not the same team. The best players in qualifiers were not in Italy

Anonymous said...

Wrong there is a u17 camp going on now. They took a couple of the best U16 Italy kids to this camp to give them a look for the WC. There are always changes in the roster between qualifiers and the WC, Also a lot of the games were streamed. There are also some games on youtube.

As for selection... There is clearly a bias for Stars players because Dewhurst is a u16 coach. Can't deny it. Also Kater is the Colorado connection also undeniable. I won't put any kids out there to be ridiculed, but yes I think there is easily a team that could be put together of u17s that would clean the current YNT team's clock.

Anonymous said...

1014

what is your point? that the U16 team should be able to destroy the Mex u17 team? The US 17s didn't. why should the 16s? Please enlighten us all.

Anonymous said...

Since it wasn't the U17 MX YNT (any top offering form Mexico would include their best player by far- Jaqueline Ovalle), yes I think a group of top 2000 born Americans should easily beat the Mexican B team. I believe that even if the entire MX team was born in 1999 which I doubt. The American u17s at Qualifiers was probably over half 2000 and 2001 born kids.

Anonymous said...

The reality is that soccer is getting better at all levels from other countries as well. Makes for more entertaining Olympics and World Cups at all levels.

Nothing a gimme anymore.

Anonymous said...

so why did the US top offering with Ashley Sanchez not win 10-0?

Anonymous said...

you keep calling them a B team even though several common players. Still struggling to understand your point. If you actually have one.

Anonymous said...

the Pda gunners actually have 5 year 99 players so their will be a larger hole in their roster , for those that care

Anonymous said...

sorry i meant 7 my mistake

Anonymous said...

Point is that The team of 2000 sent to Italy wasn't very good. Simple enough for you? To answer the second question, that team isn't that great either. BJ Snow failed to qualify in 2014 and yet he keeps his position again demonstrating the lengths of the USSF incompetence?

Anonymous said...

The gunners are an excellent team. 5 holes mostly back line players can be filled by the current u15s for the most part. They play a team oriented, technically advanced attractive game. They will lead the 00 group nationally again next year as the 99s are doing now.

Anonymous said...

Obviously the USSF disagree with you. When you are in charge, you can pick the players you think are better. Until then, I really don't see the point in complaining. Our kids can work harder to get selected, or complain about the system. Your choice is clear. BTW, several of the U17 and U16 teams have been recruited by some of the best soccer schools in the country so I guess the college coaches don't agree with you either. if you think that these girls don't paly well as a team, then perhaps you have a valid point (if you have actually watched both teams)

But to suggest the players are not good is just idiotic.

Anonymous said...

No one is complaining or stupid enough, except possibly you, to believe that anyone of import is listening. This is merely a discussion board a fact which has not been lost on the majority of us. It has been suggested that the selection of these teams could be more comprehensive and less obviously politically motivated. Politics will never go completely away but the stars connection and Colorado dominance is pretty in your face. No one said they weren't good players either; simply that it was doubtful that they represented all of the best players in the country at that age. The USSF has been criticized pretty globally recently regarding the recent mandates and you suggest they are beyond reproach? Worst thing to happen to us women's soccer was winning the 2015 WC.

Regarding colleges. The coaches defend their performance by their recruitment record. Recruiting national players keeps the AD off their back and the contract renewed. A couple of u17 cycles ago the darling of the group was a kid named Summer Green. One of the if not the first Dorrance recruit in the class. Probably the TDS top ranked player in the class. Ask him how that worked out for him. Scoring a ton of goals against concacaf teams is no predictor of ultimate success. Read the articles on early recruiting and the coaches, the source of the issue, lamenting how many kids don't pan out for them. Those going very early usually have the national stamp of approval laid upon their foreheads. So the coaches recruiting these players means exactly what? That's verification of their superior quality and more importantly potential? I think not.

Watch the 2015 u20 NTC game USA versus Japan (YouTube) and tell me how well the USSF is doing with its selections. And the great Mallory Pugh is a bonus for your viewing pleasure.

Anonymous said...

My daughter was offered a spot on PF 98/99 combo team, supposedly will have the same ECNL schedule? Anyone on here have more info or experience with same?

Anonymous said...

why are you so bitter? FC Stars connection? What connection? A coach is always going to look at players he knows. Do you have any idea what the standard is, or are you just talking for talkings sake? Selection of any team is not fair. You keep talking about the selections when the obvious place to look is the actual style of play and the coaching. I have no clue what your cryptic comment about Pugh actually means, but she seems to have done OK at NT level. Using a NC kid as an example makes little sense given the way they play and his recruiting methods. Now that the number of schools attracting top players has broadened, pace, pressing and power does not work as often as it did in Dorrance heyday.

Are there kids who deserve a chance who have not gotten one? Definitely. Are there kids who are perhaps given too many chances? Surely. Your point about superior quality makes no sense. The coaches recruiting these kids are extremely competent. They want to win. In some cases, they are bigger than the AD in terms of rep. You really think that they are taking a kid who has an NT stamp to waste a scholarship and please an AD? You are reaching my friend. Your conspiracy theories are too far fetched. The bias you speak of may exist in a few limited cases, but to paint the entire group with that is just flat out bitter.

I hope your kid get selected soon because you need to get the monkey off your back!

Anonymous said...

Dude why make it so personal? This is a discussion board. The topic is of interest to at least a few people on here. Why try and beat it down?

Anonymous said...

Its not clear if the composite teams are going to be essentially "b" NPL teams or kind of function like the DA US club soccer run "pre-academy" teams for off year kids. I think it will be the latter. It will be a high level holding teams for the younger age group in the combined top age group. Most will be juniors. many will have a real chance to play in the ECNL top combined age group (then I guess 99/00) as seniors. I think it will be a lot like the pre-academy, very competitive, in DA club teams. In fact if some ecnl teams get DA the composite teams will likely morph into the pre-academy teams and plya in the us club pre academy leagues.

Anonymous said...

1209 What topic?

Anonymous said...

This was the original post on the "topic":

"Has anyone heard that our u16 team lost to Mexico on pks. The point here is this: the Mexican pool is based out 90% of players from the Ecnl ! How is that possible we get 1st pick and we are still getting it wrong . How many players are we really missing?

May 9, 2016 at 1:42 AM"

I did not post it. However, I thought it provoked interesting commentary and I don't think poster 10:49 needs to get personal

Anonymous said...

ok so my question is what score would USA u16s have to beat the Mex u17s by to negate the criticism? The OP original point is totally invalid given the teams are diff year. U17s beat Mex U17s 2-1. If he had posted after that game, maybe.

Someone certainly has an agenda and its not 1049.

what does Mallory Pugh have to do with the OP or the U16s?

Anonymous said...

Look its not 755 with all the hostility sent out to other posters. Maybe he's unhappy with the USSF but you are the one quashing the discussion with your personal garbage. Congrats to your kid if she was selected to an id or national event. I don't think there is any specific kid's selection except possibly the stars kids being questioned. Seems like the process is up for discussion. You have been successful in nixing any discussion of the selection process and performance of the ynts. Yes I agree that there were 2 FC stars kids out of 18 in Italy with their Coach is suspicious.

Regarding Pugh, not sure what the reference was other than to say that she played in the game referenced might make it more interesting to watch.

Anonymous said...

what exactly is the point of the discussion? To point out FC Stars? Is that it? That sounds personal to me. No mention of their ability. Just that its ALL about the coach. That's personal BS. Those kids work hard. Or the kids from Colorado etc. I mean really, has the OP even seen them play? How is it suspicious? That sounds personal to me. Questioning the mans integrity and honesty. The best part is you read all this stuff from someone who has no clue other than a score on a web page and a list of names and what clubs they play for. And you defend it. smh

Anonymous said...

Just so you know these same points have been made in many other venues without inciting the kind of negative energy you have been sending out into cyberspace. Way too much of a reaction to be coincidence. The selection process has been criticized by many soccer pundits. Its been a topic for discussion on many soccer talk radio shows. recently Phil Shoen had a great show called grassroots something related to development and selection at youth levels and its affect on the national teams.

For example: Parchamn is a respected scout writer for Topdrawer

http://www.topdrawersoccer.com/the91stminute/2015/08/the-great-american-scouting-crisis/

This is a u16 blog and so we are discussing this topic as it applies to u16 players. Why act like its such a crazy subject with posters who have incited interesting dialog as villains? I get it you don't want discussion regarding the selection practices leading to a relative failure of the u16 GNT in Italy. Yes relative failure. 4th place and possibly 5th if they had been in the opposite group, is not up to gYNT standards. And yes...I am sure the USSF would agree

Anonymous said...

No offense to the two or three people posting about this whole Mexico vs us
Soccer stuff. Most of us really don't care out here in cyber world. Most of us really are more concerned with getting our players committed and getting good solid training. Since the board has been relatively quiet it's more noticeable and no one really cares lol

Anonymous said...

So start a more interesting discussion. Your post wasn't really a contribution to anything. If you are concerned about committments do you have anything to offer regarding visits? Any tips on coach emails? Any entertaining stories? Dos and don'ts? Questions you or your child has asked that resulted in useful information? When in the process is the best time to visit? Does it matter if it's a drive able day trip versus an airline ticket? In general has the process gone for those that are committed? How long did you dance before the invitation to the team came? When did you as a parent get involved in the discussion. Was there a negotiation? How has the coaches responded to attempts at negotiation? Take it or leave it or more flexibility? Have the club coaches been helpful in offering advice?advocating for his players? If you are disinterested in the YNT discussion contribute to a new "thread"
.

Anonymous said...

Both of these subjects are interesting to me (the USSF discussion as well as the commit/recruiting situation). Please continue the lively banter.


Anonymous said...

@10:00 am - re the composite team question.

From what I have heard, it should be very competitive soccer and training and will likely have same games as rest of ECNL teams in that particular club. But, ask the Director or Asst. Director of Coaching for additional information.

As far as recruiting, because of the unique situation within the various Leagues regarding the mandatory age group teams, it should be fine. But, you may want to get some feedback from college coaches, too. They know the deal and are trying to still do their jobs, too. They will follow the players to complete their roster spots.

If you hear or learn any additional information, please post.

Anonymous said...

Thanks 2:10...hey you should get some sleep :)
I feel like the DOC is just giving me the sales pitch...

Anonymous said...

7:00 Not sure where you are now, but any ECNL team will get looks over most non-ECNL teams. And, the Club you mentioned has a very good reputation as far as player development and transition into college. Good luck.

Anonymous said...

Hey 711 you presume to speak for the masses? Apparently not according to 1150. Why not be positive and add yourself to the dialog instead of beating down those who try and contribute?

The ECNL composite is unquestionably a step down team to both the ECNL teams (u17 and u18/19). However it is a step above NPL level. At NPL level by this age it is highly doubtful that a kid will move up to ECNL. I would expect several, at least, of the 00/99/98 composite kids to move up to the 99/00 ECNL team a year form now. It will serve to "hold" and develop some talent for a year. I see it as an interim team of yes mostly bubble type players for a year. However a significant number of them will bump up back to ECNL for their final year in youth soccer. No I am not a coach or DOC. I am just a parent

Anonymous said...

@7:00, adding to the others who have commented re the composite team, not sure where your daughter is but it may be better for development to be on a composite team and get a lot of playing time and confidence than a roster add to another ECNL team where playing time may be little to none.

And, agree with 9:04, movement to other ECNL teams because of ability to show talent and commitment could occur as well, if that is what she or you want.

Anonymous said...

Does anyone have any insight as to when Clubs will start to hear if they have been chosen as DA? And, will this affect play for 2016-17 season or the following? Lastly, will those Clubs be able to participate in ECNL, too?

Birth year mandates and Development Academies at same time, Soccer Jenga going on.

Anonymous said...

Composite is about money. If the players are the same, whether you call them ECNL or NPL then surely the level is the same? I get the combining of age groups, but if development really was the goal, this would have been done ages ago. One team per age group makes little sense for girls.

I hear development all the time. What development? By this age, and even earlier, its all about recruiting the best players to your club and winning. If these club really created a true dev platform, why would we not see more NPL kids graduating to the ECNL teams? Where is the loyalty? Where is the growth?

The composite team is byproduct of inflated rosters, too many bubble kids being sold an ECNL ticket and now, when reality strikes, an attempt to keep the $$$ in house and offer a clear financially based compromise.

If that works for you, then im sure your DOC will be happy to take your dough. But lets call it what it is.

Anonymous said...

July 1 a rolling admission will start. The online application opened last week. The USSF could care less if the have both. I don't think the ECNL is going to mandate no ECNL for DA clubs, but I am going on that PDA is definitely going for DA and they are leaders in ECNL. The ECNL hasn't issued an official position. I think right now there is something gin the rules or bylaws that says a club has to enter its top team in each age group into the ECNL. That wouldn't necessarily be the case for DA clubs s the ECNL will likely have to change the rule to accommodate bot DA and ECNL teams within the same club. The USSF wont let individual players except for a limited number of "developmental players" (DP) play both.

Anonymous said...

PDA. So many conflicts of interest. Amazed they can keep up :)

Anonymous said...

10:09 - Agreed in part. Development in any sport anymore is a business. Gone are the sandlot sport days.

But ECNL is still being discovered by some families. So, those not developed in-house or by other quality ECNL Clubs, need to learn technical touches and soccer iq then those never exposed to it. And, there are some transfering of players from NPL to ECNL and both.

You do realize that some are not going to be high level athletes in any sports. That doesn't mean one can't enjoy them, get proper training and continue to develop. Developing is a lifetime thing; not limited to youth sports. Some top athletes didn't realize their potential until older. Youth is wasted on the young (and overly critical parents).

Anonymous said...

Hey 10:41, I guess you are feeding into the prior discussions re USSF and the inability to go outside their youth rosters for talent that may be up and coming as development (and biology; getting taller; stronger; smarter, etc.) are ongoing.

I guess that is why other sports have farm systems that are broader and then narrow. Maybe that is what the DA's are supposed to do.

Anonymous said...

1009 you are mistaken

This year is very unusual and following years the issue will be slightly mitigated, but the problem will continue to exist as it does with the DA. Basically the problem is present where there is more than one age group, representing more than one graduating class, on a team.

This year we have the u16 99/00 team, the u17 99/98 team and the u18 98/97 teams all of whom may contain players who were born in the year 1999 and 1998 and will not graduate before June 2017. These players will be available next year as high schoolers to play on the u18/19 99/98 team in 2017. Throughout our children's history we have encountered the stranded senior who was likely born between march and July, but was held back for whatever reason. They have played their youth soccer on teams with kids largely in the grade ahead. They bounce back as senior to play U19 (most tournaments don't have a u18 group only u19) or can play as "trapped seniors" in the ECNL U18 teams. So having an "extra kid" bounce down to an existing rising u18 team is not unusual. However what follows is:

This year, as has been historically the case, the U17 (mostly rising seniors) teams will largely become the rising u18/19 team with the 1 or 2 trapped rising senior 98s joining in from the current u18 team. Those trapped players would normally just be absorbed with little fanfare and all would be the same as has always been.

Except we now have a new and unprecedented, at least on the girls side, situation where this fully developed, existing team of mostly seniors, is the only possible ECNL level refuge for the kids born late year 1999 and coming from the U16 99/00 team. These kids are largely Juniors with 2 more years of youth soccer ahead of them. They have been playing at a "lower" younger level than those with whom they must now compete for coveted spots on the 99/98 ECNL team. They are indeed ECNL level players, but are less developed because of the previous cutoff and lesser number years to develop.

The clubs don't want to toss away half of the u16 99/00 team. These are players with 2 years left of youth soccer. Further, they may actually be among the stronger players, if developed well over the interim on "composite teams", on the following year's ECNL (DA) u18/19 teams. I agree one option would be to pour resources into the u18/19 NPL teams and simply shunt the lower level players down to lesser teams. In fact that's what I thought would happen. However, I don't disagree with the ECNL solution of this "holding" "composite" team of mostly junior displaced 99s for these players who are displaced because of the combining of essentially 1.5 ECNL level teams into 1 team.

Anonymous said...

This problem will continue on a slightly different basis throughout the life of the ECNL and will be exacerbated when the DA comes into play in 2017. I have boys also. This is what happens when you have 2 birth years combined on a single "top level" team. Each year there is an "off year" this year I think the DA is u15/16 99/00. Most teams will field 2-3 00 players as FT players and 2-3 more as DP type players who play a very few games a year with the DA team. They will however, field a U15 '00 "preacademy team" This team will hold and develop most of the clubs top 00s- excepting the 2-3 truly exceptional players who will play on the full DA team with most players a year older. These pre academy teams serve a very similar role as the "composite teams" put into play for the ECNL. Hold and develop players whom you believe have a chance to move up to be part of the top level (ECNL DA) when they are the oldest members of the age range groupings.

Whether they buffed up and marketed the NPL teams to echo the model in the pre-academy teams or created a new beast to admittedly largely aussage the angst of the parents of these younger kids doesn't matter. The intent is to hold and develop these players, many of whom will make up important pieces of the 99/00 ECNL (DA) teams the following year. They will augment this roster with the top NPL players giving them a chance to show where they stack up and possibly some bubble 00s. hence the "composite" potentially 3 birth years on one team.

No I am not a coach or a DOC I just understand the issues.

Anonymous said...

10:17 - thanks. Very interesting stuff. I guess ECNL will change its rules to reflect the changing landscape, too. Why would it want to loose top level Clubs; unless those Clubs will just place the non-DA level teams into an affiliate, substantially similar Club?

Anonymous said...

10:59. I think this solution makes a lot sense. We are finding logically solutions to the mess that the DA created. I'm sure the college recruiters will appreciate it too.

Question: do we know if all/most of the Northeast ECNL teams will be providing composite teams? So far this blog has really only talked about PennFusion having them.

Anonymous said...

11:07 - From what I have been told, each division/conference has to approve them. Not sure if its every team within each division/conference or majority rule. It's a great solution.

Anonymous said...

We were told every club in Northeast Conference will be fielding a composite team.

Anonymous said...

Don't see a downside. Most of these clubs have at least 3 teams per age group to move kids around

Anonymous said...

we heard last night that stars of mass and pda will have composite teams ,not sure if matchfit or fc bucks have decided yet . if you have heard please post here

Anonymous said...

so this is for development then? hahahahahhahah ok?

Anonymous said...

It is to provide high level play for these girls. It is also to provide a recruiting platform. Due to the birth year change, many of the current U16 99's get screwed. The composite teams provide a good solution.

The players and parents want this ... the clubs are providing. Capitalism is working.

The ECNL doesnt need to be the only league taking advantage of composite teams. It could make sense in many leagues.

Anonymous said...

12:35 - are there other leagues? LOL

Anonymous said...

1217 Apparently your reading skills are lacking. Perhaps a remedial class at Huntington learning center?

Anonymous said...

115 good idea. maybe I will try the Harvard "composite" course instead. Its more expensive so it must be better right?

Anonymous said...

@115 Continue confirming your inadequacies while providing us a chuckle at your expense.

Anonymous said...

Yeah we get it 226. Your kid isn't good enough for you to enter into this discussion so you need to fill the void and tear down what you can't have. Transparent in your desperation.

Anonymous said...

234. so I don't agree with you so I cant read and my kid is a bad player. Sounds logical hahahahahahhaha. also, why we? I doubt many share your view on my kid given that they don't know her. Desperate for what exactly, you to keep justifying the need for a composite team? Believe whatever you want to if it makes you happy. I think its all about money and nothing is going to change my mind.

Anonymous said...

Yup you're too stupid to waste time in trying and to change your mind (but this commentary is for others not you) and yes I think your kid probably plays low level travel and you gloat in how much money you save to make you feel better about her absent athletic prowess. If she was playing higher level national league USYSA or top tier (NEFC Quickstrike) NPL the money would be about the same. Even the Strikers are not a bargain anymore. So since you are saying the Composite team will be an expensive wasteland for development after others have well understood the lengthy explanation offered, and believe otherwise, you obviously have some disorder and/or unhappiness that prompts you to disparage other's choices.

Why don't you offer to us the reasons why you believe the model fails to offer development? let me help you along here: Do you take issue with the coaching staffs? Is the model flawed? However, to respond with intelligence is apparently an impossibility for you. FYI your haha... writings do not inspire confidence in your opinions or insight.

Anonymous said...

Its the same people responsible for developing. The same people who go out and try and recruit a better kid to replace what they have. The same ones who have 25+ on the rosters. The same ones who dont tell you the truth about where you actually stand.

Why all of a sudden, should these player develop on the composite team? None of this is really about teaching. Its about winning games and using that to convince the next person to part with more money.

Yu assume that only a jealous parent of a bad kid can see it for what it is. I am neither I am just not convinced that many kids are developing in this environment. Go look at the games. Poor soccer with excessive fouls, bad refs, coaches yelling and screaming from the sidelines. Poor tactical awareness, poor understanding of angles and the game . And this is U16 at the so called top level.

I am far from satisfied with the product and I don't see how a composite team changes anything. In fact, there should be fewer teams, age groups combined and better coaching. Fewer games and more training. However, this wont happen because it threatens peoples wallets. Right now there are enough college teams that the standard really does not have to improve to satisfy that. As long as Jane gets to say I committed to XYZ U then job done.

Im laughing at you because you think insulting me and/or my child is constructive. Its not and the ability of my child has nothing to do with my point. I don't need to be helped along by you. I have my own opinion. This has become big business. Money drives all of it.

Anonymous said...

Oh so you were on the inside and your kid got cut. Or you just happen to wander over to watch a bunch of games to draw these incontrovertible conclusions. Or better yet you are a coach who got fired or was not offered a top spot. None of the u16 teams in the Northeast have 25 on the roster so maybe you are lying. You started with the hostility.

There is no better, more consistent, platform for competition for girls right now than the ECNL. Not perfect, but none better. Will likely change next year with the DA. Many are interested in what that will mean to the girl's landscape. However, this year they offered a composite team to fill a void and you ridicule those who choose to take advantage of this opportunity. That speaks of anger and resentment.

Anonymous said...

...or he's a daddy coach. Kid might even be good enough for ECNL but he can't give up control. Thinks his little team is a great value. Game plan get the ball to my Mia. Resentful that some players leave his team to play in the big bad ECNL. Stalks the ECNL games telling himself how much better his product is.

Anonymous said...

This is why a true championship would be great (top ECNL teams [full rosters; commits and all] vs. USYS and NPL top tier teams]. Why doesn't that happen?

Anonymous said...

@4:44. I hear ya. Or, worse yet, lives through Got Soccer points. Thinks they really have meaning in recruiting and believes its money well spent.

Anonymous said...

Spitting all this vitriol al 3:50 just shows all your insecurities. You know Composite team = more club $$$ but you are too scared to admit it. 3:50 hit the nail on the head, me thinks it hit a big nerve!

Anonymous said...

350 amen brother

But you should know better than to argue with the ecnl soccer gods

Probably the same guy who said his player was emailed by college coaches while she was still on the field lol jk

But seriously you all are so entertaining

Anonymous said...

350 1025 1039 THANK YOU

Finally others speak up I for one am laughing at these bozos. But I guess it's just because my player isn't good enough or I don't know enough about good soccer. It's a good thing I come on here to be educated :-)

Anonymous said...

Since every NPL team is a weak representation of it' s ecnl club, where will the new " composites" fall?

Anonymous said...

10:39 - never saw that post re the player e-mailed by college coaches while she was on the field. I guess it was NAIA or DIII, right?

Otherwise, isn't it against NCAA rules for DI and DII coaches to have direct contact with any player/potential recruit until the summer of her Jr. h.s. yr going into Sr. year, right? What is the rule re contact?

Thanks.

Anonymous said...

www.soccerwire.com/notes/jaime-frias-hired-as-u-s-soccer-development-coach-u-16-gnt-head-coach/

Thought the earlier commentors re YNT U16 team might be interested as an FYI.

Anonymous said...

This has been so entertaining...FYI for you ECNL haters...my Mia does NOT play ECNL and our club is also forming a composite team for the exact good reason that was provided above. More play time and looks as the 99s get screwed in this whole BYC.
Keep insulting each other, it's awesome!!

Anonymous said...

From what I see at our club , they are also forming a composite team and the team's core will be some of the best of the current u-16 team that has to leave because of the age .They will get the best of the 17/18 npl team to go along with them. They will be a strong group. The ecnl composite will do fine and the competition from the likes of the other northeast division teams will be good . Penn fusion , Stars of Mass and Pda doing this as well . What might get hurt is the npl teams as their best players move up to the ecnl structure. The costs between this team and a npl team will be about the same. The girls will be looked at by more colleges and the competition will be better.

Anonymous said...

415 I am not a believer that the current platform offers value for money. I ridicule the clubs and coaches who bend every rule in the book to keep the checks flowing. They make the rules up as they go along. Want to add a team of players for a LI team, but most of the kids are from NJ? no problem practice in NJ. Have to change age groups now so we may lose some kids to weaker ECNL teams etc? No problem create a composite team. At nowhere in the cycle are the coaches called in to question about actually taking players they have had for years and helping them get better. There are kids who have been with teams for a long time now getting shunted to the composite? Why? Because these teams have filled up with the best kids from other areas. Some travelling miles and for what? To win a few more games?

Im called stupid, illiterate a disgruntled daddy coach. My kid has been called a poor player. And why? Because I disagree with the rationale behind a composite team?

You call a simple statement hostile and yet im the only one getting insulted consistently. Not that I really care.

I believe that kids should get value for money. I believe that when you keep talking about the best platform, it should be consistent with its standards. Or do we jut create new teams to accommodate the demand irrespective of quality? If you look at ECNL expansion and the quality of the games now, its hard t argue that the players are really developing.

Anyway, thats my opinion and its what I believe.

Anonymous said...

What do we want as parents. More so than ever this year it appears as if the soccer establishment is further dictating how they will make promises, take your money and then do whatever suits them and their “supporters” If you are aligned/entrenched with a club/team/coach congratulations. If you are a parent of an 11-22 this year that thinks you upgraded by getting an offer for next year from a new club, good luck. In reality, at this age, everyone knows everyone else by now. They know who can play, who is on what College’s radar and how the player will help the coach, not how the coach can help the player. For the most part the players are innocent in all of this, to some extent most parents are as well, they want what is best for their player (and maybe some bragging rights on national signing day). The evil in all of this is the coaches. Whether it is ego, ability, or desire to get to the next level (how many of the ECNL/NPL staffs are also assistant/Head coaches at local colleges) they are the true decision makes. And they all know each other so If you think moving within that level will get you something better be careful that your old coach isn’t friends with your new coach. Hopefully they are rivals and your kid might be the new coaches steal. But for the most part the coaches are talking amongst themselves as players from club “A” show up at club “B”. Sour grapes on my part, not really, I’m just seeing what is happening and felt the need to send a warning. The one thing I have seen is some loyalty by a few coaches who are looking to keep teams together to finish out their club playing days. And I think this is causing additional problems with players who still need playing time in front of colleges. Also, remember the players that commit to your club team in May might get a better offer before leagues/showcases startup in December.

Anonymous said...

I have a quick question and a dilemma . Is it better to be on a composite ecnl 98/99 team at a top club or move to a ecnl 18/19 team that is most likely going to b 3 and 13 and not make the national playoffs. She will most likely get better training at the composite team due to the quality of the system and staff, but where is she better off for college recruiting ?

Anonymous said...

1251 great question. I would base the decision on training and relative distance from your home. I agree with the post above in that most kids are already exposed. people know who they are or better out, from a college standpoint the impact kids have been identified. I have no idea how the composite teams will draw relative to the u18 team. In my experience once committed, a lot of the mid level u18s who have used soccer to get in to schools but don't love it , start to miss games. getting 15 healthy and committed players is hard. I think the composites will actually be better in that regard because of the younger kids, just my view. College coaches are going to come see the players they want to see but the composite sale may be difficult as the perception is that the players are nbot "good "enough for the on age ECNL teams.

Training is always the most important as the kids spend more time doing it than actually paying games.

Good Luck

Anonymous said...

Why not just do what has been happening all along? Leave it up to the parents/kids to decide if that is the path they choose. It's their money. Spend it here or there. No matter what, it's being spent.
If the composite system fits their needs/team works, then great. If it doesn't, move to another place that fits. Isn't that what happens at this level any how?

Anonymous said...

people don't need others to "inform" them of evils ect this far into the game. Therefore my conclusion also is that those disparaging the ECNL and other clubs that are offering "composite" teams have an agenda. This is an opportunity potentially for players and families to take if they so desire. my kid is fortunately an 00, but I am hearing people say they think these teams ECNL or otherwise are good solutions for them. So what's the problem?

Also thanks for the u16 gnt link. Interesting. Wonder if the Stars coach will keep his assistant postion and influence. Will be entertaining to watch that play out.

Anonymous said...

To all the Composite experts :

What other teams are you going to play?
Will there be the same travel requirements as other ECNL teams ?
Separate practices ?
00s,99s and 98s all on one team ?

Thank you



Anonymous said...

259

Is your kid on the team?

Anonymous said...

Which team? Which team is yours on?

Anonymous said...

It is my understanding that the composite teams will be labeled as ECNL teams and travel with the other ECNL teams. I don't know all of the birthdates for sure, but the reason they are calling it composite is because it has several birthdates included. It will be a separate team with separate practices.

Anonymous said...

352 .. so does every ECNL team have a composite now?

Anonymous said...

349 The U16 NT

Anonymous said...

Congrats 405

Anonymous said...

It's up to individual clubs to decide whether or not to field a composite team, but we've been told every club in the Northeast Division will be doing so. ECNL is creating a new division for the composite teams, but one would expect that their schedule will mirror the other ECNL teams. There will be 2 national ECNL events and no national championship for the composite teams.

Anonymous said...

http://espn.go.com/espnw/sports/article/15509558/the-impact-early-recruiting-players-coaches?ex_cid=espnW_newsletter_05122016_1

An interesting article re early recruiting and the pressure it puts on the kids (this is a lacrosse article from ESPN W magazine, but the pressure is across the board in all sports). Crazy stuff.

Good luck to all our girls.

Anonymous said...

1009 Creating a composite will span the range of a new team with 98/99/00 players and rebranding the existing NPL team. Seems like a pretty watered down product.

Anonymous said...

425 was a reply to a question, not a statement. I don't believe any kid is in the YNTs until they are announced. I don't believe in NT Pools either ie when parents say "my kid is in the U16 pool" . Translation- she went to a camp once, but not the most recent ones

Anonymous said...

8:18 - going to a NT camp is still pretty good and an opportunity to get great training. Some of the current players were not discovered until college.

Anonymous said...

Does anyone have insight to what the competitive U16 NON-ECNL teams in the area are doing with tryouts? (PA Strikers, Copa Academy, Hotspurs, Patriot FC, etc.)

Anonymous said...

2:20 - i rec'd info from some and my suggestion would be to contact them directly for information. They are more than happy to share. And, like all other clubs, always looking for players that can help.

Anonymous said...

215 I agree. Its a great achievement. Many on here try and makes it sound like it all politics and not hard work. In spite of all the rhetoric, most of the best players in our area have been at some point or another.

Anonymous said...

Soccer is an opinion. Don't forget!!

Anonymous said...

2:42 - Agree with 2:15. US Soccer nat'l training camps; id2; PDP; Region provide fantastic training.

ANY high level add'l training is a wonderful opportunity for any of the girls. It's always good to get out there with other coaches and experience their styles of play. ALWAYS room for improvement.

Anonymous said...

Strikers have ongoing tryouts just email or call them from the contacts on the website

Anonymous said...

2:50 - not sure what that means an opinion.

In my house, soccer is an option; an enrichment activity; like music; theatre; art; other sports. Education first, then the rest. If the grades suffer, the rest of it will go away - my rules and they know and buy into it as well.

So, the juggling continues; however, it is THEIR drive in all of it that moves it along. Not my rodeo; theirs.

Anonymous said...

8:16 Our club is telling us it's just going to be a 98/99 team, but certainly there is nothing stopping them from adding 00's. You must have an ECNL player, from the NPL point of view it's an opportunity for some players to play under an ECNL badge, depending on who shows up at tryouts. And it can't be any more watered down than NPL is now, which is where some current ECNL players would end up without the composite team. For the clubs it's a way to argue that all of the existing ECNL players continue to play ECNL, but I do agree with others that it's a bit of a money grab.

Anonymous said...

6:36 and others. Soccer is a business and no one works for free. So spending money is a given.

But, the way the soccer world is evolving it appears that most of the events for ECNL and NPL garner more college coaches than some of the national USYS events. We were told to move from USYS to ECNL, by high level college coaches. And, also told that ECNL and NPL are the desired soccer platforms by high level college coaches.

Some NPL teams are very good; some aren't as good. Same with ECNL teams, USYS, etc. And, the coaches seem to understand this.

It's just you can attend a USYS national event (30 coaches) and then in a few weeks go to an ECNL/NPL event, (300+ coaches). So, spend your money where you will get more bang for your buck. And, the composite teams in ECNL will be the way to go.

Anonymous said...

In a 1-2 week period in December you have an ECNL Showcase and NPL Showcase, and the Disney Showcase. Which one are coaches most interested in attending?

Anonymous said...

8:24 - that is a good point, but I think that the coaches win in that scenerio as those games are set up for the coaches to get to see all leagues. It's an ideal situation for recruiting.

But, like 7:14 mentioned, our family had the same experience. Last year, USYS Championships/Champion's League, not very many coaches. We moved to ECNL. At ECNL practices - out of state college coaches come in to watch. Coaches are at some of the games, too.

We never experienced that in USYS. To me, the move was money well spent. But, each family has to be happy with its decision whatever it may be.

Anonymous said...

If your 99 hasn't committed yet, you are doomed. Play for PDA and you will get the best offers. just ask the parents. Free rides all around!

Anonymous said...

10:33 - and when does Santa stop by with his unicorn?

Anonymous said...

10:33 I think the history would show, that coaches will go to Disney because they get see a large number of kids and hopefully find a few that they are looking for at D1,2, and 3. Coaches will go to Sanford because they know what they are going to see at the ECNL level, and no one believes a NPL only tournament doesn't have very much to offer regardless of its PDA or anyone else.

Anonymous said...

Any updates on today's U16 state cup results?

Anonymous said...

Freehold 1-0
Toms river in pks

Anonymous said...

All results are posted.
Of course...Strikers 3-1 win

Anonymous said...

9:17 AM

Whatever they are doing it seems to work for the Strikers. It will be interesting to see if they have any players move on to different teams or stay pat through the next 2 years.

Anonymous said...

124 working in what way?

Anonymous said...

9:17 - I wouldn't say of course, Strikers almost lost to Vincent United and Patriots getting to the finals. Their style of play is passe'. I know kids that turned down the opportunity to play for them when they were free. Didn't they lose to a PDA roster at Jeff Cup where PDA didn't play all their studs. They didn't win a game at Jeff Cup against ECNL teams (and they were not fully rostered ECNL teams). Strikers, on the other hand, was.

I'm not trying to bust on Strikers, but they are not a pinnacle USYS team any more. My recollection is they got beat at PDA tourney last year by an NPL team, NEFC. Pretty sure it was like 5-0 or something like that. Not even in the game. The leagues are all over the place.

Anonymous said...

Agree - 5:32. Not sure what is working for Strikers (@1:24). They are in a watered down league. Most of the better players at least those in this region have moved to NPL or ECNL. And, as 5:32 noted, they couid not come away with a win in Jeff Cup (against watered down ECNL rosters) and in PDA tourney last year NPL teams beat them.

Anonymous said...

Hahaha. One of those teams that love their meaningless Got Soccer points.

Anonymous said...

5:41 I don't think Strikers came away even with a draw at Jeff Cup against 3 ECNL teams that didn't play all their commits or studs. I think they had 3 losses.

Crazy stuff this soccer anymore.

Anonymous said...

Agree with most of the assessment above on the strikers except players are not leaving any good national league team to go to npl unless it was a team like nefc or quickstrike. Sorry but npl is not looked upon favorably by most.

I don't know how exactly the strikers program is working when they've barely been able to win many of their games.

Anonymous said...

6:10 oh agreed. I was speaking about kids that moved to better npl teams like NEFC or Quickstrike or ECNL teams.

Anonymous said...

Im not busting on QS (well maybe I am) but tbh they are overrated. When every game vs ECNL is treated like the superbowl and you tout your commits to anyone that will listen then something is not right. QS are a decent team that would be middle of the pack in the ECNL. No more.

Anonymous said...

7:02 - well; maybe upper middle of the pack. They are very good, but you are right they have not played any full ECNL rosters, yet. In most non-ECNL tourneys, all the ECNL teams take out their commits or move other players to composite teams (CASL, Jeff Cup, etc.).

I know with my daughter's ECNL team, they don't even practice with missing pieces prior to the non-ECNL events (CASL, Jeff Cup, etc.). So there is a learning curve in game situations when kids are plugged in and playing different positions, etc. This way when they go to their ECNL events immediately after (Sanford, San Diego), they don't miss a beat.



Anonymous said...

QS managed 6-7 wins this year over ECNL teams. Thats more than many of the ECNL teams, to be fair they would probably play pretty competitive. Hard to deny their ability considering some better colleges feel the same, tournaments have also felt pretty highly about them. They appear to play their best against the better teams. That signifies a quality team. No need to knock them, quite a few could be on the local ECNL rosters if the chose to.

Anonymous said...

7:35 not knocking them at all, but they have never played full ECNL rosters. That's all.

You can't compare apples to apples unless they are apples. But, they are very good.

And, as far as some of their college commits, agreed. Good choices. And, agreed again, a few could be on local ECNL roster.

I would love to see full ECNL rosters play non ECNL teams. Then, it would put this to rest. I guess it's designed by the Leagues so they don't, though.

Anonymous said...

Not sure which games you can comment about QS but I do know they played Alby and FC Virginia with full rosters. Just ask the Alby team as both teams know each other pretty well. Hard to ever say when any team is at full roster. Pretty sure QS would happily play any team that is presented to them, they are far from perfect but not intimidated by ECNL teams. I can think of a few ECNL who would prefer not to play them.

Anonymous said...

I know in CASL most of the ENCL teams were not fully rostered.

As far as Jeff Cup in QS bracket, PDA, Richmond were not fully rostered. FC Virginia didn't play all commits (what I was told). They have a huge roster (they sent kids to Disney and Sanford...two different rosters).
Alby (sorry I didn't know they played them) maybe they had everyone.

But, did QS play PDA, South Cal, FC Mass, Eclipse, Michigan Hawks?

I am not saying they are scared. Geez, I hope kids at this age at this level don't get scared about teams. But, I think it would be great to see them play top teams; fully rostered.

I don't consider Alby a top team (a very good team, but not a top).

Anonymous said...

8:21 - I am not knocking QS they are very good.

And, not sure how NPL does it, but in ECNL, if you want to tell who is or isn't playing, check the rosters against the kids on the field or, if it's a showcase (CASL, Jeff Cup, etc.), get a team brochure from opponent which will note which kids aren't playing/traveling as they are commits or playing for another age group/composite team for that specific tourney.

I keep coming back to this; let's have a true playoff with top ECNL teams (fully rostered) playing top NPL and USYS teams (all fully rostered). That would put these debates to rest once and for all.

Anonymous said...

8:38 good point, i don't think QS played Eclipse, So Cal or Hawks but that makes them one of many who have not. Does not look like Alby, East Meadow, Matchfit, FC Bucks, Penn Fusion or Continental played them either. See it't a well know fact that with the exception of league ECNL never puts teams against higher ranked teams for showcases. Do you think these teams would fair better than QS? Something to consider, maybe maybe not.

Anonymous said...

I don't think that is true about the showcase (which showcase are you speaking; Sanford; Houston; San Diego or CASL Jeff Cup). League Showcases they teams play higher ranked teams. Can't answer that for non-ECNL showcases. I guess they are all based on records at the time of applications.

Has QS played FC Stars or PDA, fully rostered? And, yes, those other teams have not met either, yet, but they could.

Not sure about your hypothetical, but that is exactly what would be great to happen. Top non-ECNL teams vs. top ECNL teams (all fully rostered). Then, the League debate would go away.

Anonymous said...

Looks like FC Stars has played PDA (0-0) and So Cal at San Diego Showcase (0-0) and Hawks in Sanford Showcase (2-0). And, lost to Real Sol Cal (2-0) at San Diego.

Anonymous said...

Isn't it funny how ECNL teams that loose or fail to destroy a USYS team is one that isnt fully rostered. I've been at these games and I can tell you that it's a bunch of BS. Jeff Cup playing time may have been distributed differently but the good committed players were present and did play. I just watched PDA play an ECNL game over the weekend and it looked like the same team I saw play at Jeff Cup. people reading this blog should Consider your sources and don't fall for the propoganda and excuses. There are plenty of facts missing from this gossip column. When your spinning a fictional story, if you get enough people to believe it, it will eventually become a fact.

Anonymous said...

Well, let's just do what is being suggested. The non-ECNL teams playing the fully rostered ECNL teams and have it decided that way. I would love to see it.

I don't know which team you watched, but I know that girls on ECNL teams that were committed did not play on some of their teams for Jeff Cup. And yes there were changes in the line ups because kids were missing. I know teams where most of the commits for Jeff Cup didn't even travel (I'm talking field players).

I heard that the PDA committed kids did cross bar games to see who was traveling/playing at Jeff Cup. I heard it right from the parents/players, themselves. And, when I ran into them at Jeff Cup, they didn't have all their commits.

Further, I know this for CASL too (they and other ECNL teams had kids playing on the CASL suggested ECNL composite teams). My kid played on one of the composite teams.

So, unlike yourself, I do have facts; first hand knowledge, in fact. So no spiinning here. However, you can believe whatever you want to believe. I'm not trying to make believers or disbelievers. I am agreeing that in order to put an end to the League debate, a true championship tournament should occur. All teams fully rostered.

That will end it.

Anonymous said...

Oh what about NPL teams that "destroy" USYS teams? Didn't that happen at PDA tourney last year with NEFC (NPL) vs. Strikers? 5-0 wasn't it?

Anonymous said...

Strikers is stil an excellent team. They did lose key pieces to Penn Fusion, but not because the players thought ECNL was better.In fact one was already committed. Some of the kids who went from Strikers to ECNL were actually cut from the strikers which is telling in and of itself. Their style of play was mentioned. Their center attacking players are the weak link at this point and their wingers and outside backs are the focus. They attack from the flanks and their wingers either get a shot themselves or cross it in. Their strikers are not their strongest players. One came from Continental ECNL and was not their premier forward. Center backs clear it forward with little intent but the striker players are very good at winning 50-50s. GK punt it pretty much every time. They would be competitive in the ECNL but didn't beat PDA in Jeff cup. That PDA roster at least included their Duke commit. Not sure if it was completely full or not. I know PDA rotate players and am not sure who rotated out for that one. Penn Fusion definitely does not bring a full rosters to non ECNL events to make sure players get exposure. Some kids don't get to play in all three games when they travel to ECNL events because of a large roster. But that also is not unusual. All teams with over 18 kids are at risk for sitting kids out if every player is healthy. That can be a problem if your kid is at the bottom of the roster. Not all kids can manage that blow and it can be a self fulfilling prophecy.

Anonymous said...

I don't think anyone with a brain or common sence is saying USYS is better than ECNL. The top ECNL teams were top USYS teams before they joined ECNL aND still wold be top teams if they left. ECNL needs them more than they need ECNL. The big disagreement is with the ECNL snobs,on this board, who think that their Leage gives them the right to cut on other quality teams. In Region 1, PDA for example would succeed with or without ECNL, just like NEFC.No argument there. Remove a couple of the Heavyweights and your league is no better than anyone else's. Sorry to burst your bubble. In my opinion, with the resources, number of players, reputation, etc No one in the East should be able to give PDA a game but that's not the case. Their C team should be better than most. Just my opinion of course! PDA and others had tremendous success long before ECNL was a thought.ECNL has absolutely nothing to do with it.

Anonymous said...

Can't separate the league from the teams like you are trying to do. It happens at this very (fleeting) moment in time, that the best teams in the country are now in the ECNL (remember NEFC will be in next year). Most, but clearly not all of the best players are also. Yes as in any league including the national league which this year included Maryland United (itself a weak ECNL team) B team and again Solar Chelseas B team, there are some weak teams. But all teams in the northeast with the exception of FSA would compete well in the national league. All of those teams in the ECNL could win on any given day and the games are very close. ECNL provides the most consistent high level competition in the northeast No argument. yes Strikers and Quickstrike could compete, but who else do they play? No consistent competition is here for them.

In CA the best USYSA national league players are discovery player in the ECNL. SE one of the u16gnt players who recently played in Italy is an example. Obviously ECNL is offering something that USYSA isn't even in Socal. The league administration themselves have done an excellent job with their national events. They are more organized than any event that my child has ever attended.

Sorry its just a fact. the ECNL have been successful in putting together a league that provides the most consistent, high level, competition in the country- just ask the college coaches.

Of course game changer will barely brush the 2018s when the DA becomes live.

Anonymous said...

@5:37 - Yes, PDA did play their young lady that is a Duke commit at Jeff Cup (who committed prior to moving to PDA). They didn't bring several others who normally play along with her in ECNL games which include Auburn, Rutgers, Syracuse, Georgia, etc.

And, 6:21 - true re PDA having success long before ECNL was around. It's the development system of some of the Clubs that became ECNL clubs. They do it right. Proof is the amount of kids that played in the NCAA's this year from local ECNL club teams in all divisions.

Finally, 8:07 - well put. DA will change all of this. But for now, like it or not, ECNL is the place to be as, you noted. But, it's not for everyone.

Anonymous said...

@5:37 - Thy protests too much, me thinks. LOL
Strikers not only lost to PDA in Jeff Cup, but every other ECNL team they played at Jeff Cup (and some not fully rostered). And, maybe PDA did bring and play their young lady who is a Duke commit (before she transferred to PDA, I believe, too), but they didn't bring or play some of their Rutgers' commits, or their Syracuse and Auburn commits. It's nice to have depth.

Anonymous said...

It would be nice to see more female refs in the games, too.
What is the percentage of female vs. male refs if anyone knows?
In particular in the ECNL, a league that promotes women in sports, it would be nice to see it extended to the officiating as well just so the girls can see women at all levels helping to advance their sport and the soccer industry.

Anonymous said...

its funny how people site commits as evidence that the players are good. At PDA the team is the star. I don't believe the would tell you any different . Yes thy have a bunch of good players, but their strength is depth. Winning at this level is mostly about depth. I can count the truly outstanding U16s I have seen in this region on the fingers of one hand. I response to PDA do it right, I would say that depends on what side of the fence you fall. I don't see winning games as reflective of that much really. if a club with fewer resources and a thinner roster is competitive, giving NPL players a chance to play in the ECNL as they improve, developing the top end players it has, that is success. Is it success to recruit a lot of players, have big rosters, leave kids home from events and win a lot of events? you decide. Its a different type of success. I guess you pick whichever suits your purpose.

QS are a decent team. would be competitive in the NE Conference. If I had to rank the teams

Tier 1 - PDA, Stars
Tier 2 - Mfit, WC,P Fusion,
Tier 3 - Fc Bucks,Continental Delco, EM, Alby
Tier 4 - FSA,Breakers CFC


Maybe Alby T2, not sure. would put QS right in the middle of the pack

Anonymous said...

9:43 - Well done. I think the tipping of the hat to commits was mentioned as evidence of kids that didn't attend certain ECNL/non-ECNL events because that is how it was handled by some clubs. And, you hit it spot on including your assessment of clubs/teams.

Anonymous said...

9:43 Like you view on the measure of successful program. The talk of full rosters is pathetic. Someone has found it important to downplay the success of teams like QS to somehow increase the importance of their club or league. To be fair to QS you can't overlook the fact that the not only beat Alby and FC Virginia but they beat both of them twice. These 2 teams had their regular rosters for Jeff Cup. QS forward going to ND scored the 5 goals and the center defender going to UConn was in place for both shutouts. FC Virginia was the ECNL division winner and Alby is currently in 2nd place. Every negative comment at QS does nothing but devalue the level of play in the ECNL.

Anonymous said...

10:13 - I have read the discussions differently, I guess. I see QS being hailed for its success. And while FC VA and Alby are at the various spots you noted in their respective divisions, I would look at the Championship Qualifier and see who QS has played as noted in the top if it.

If you are going to take QS which is a top level NPL team, then you have to compare it to a top level ECNL team, too. Isn't that how it should work?

And, of course, all teams fully rostered so there are no excuses. Have they played NEFC so it would be apples v. apples? Shame they aren't in the same bracket for the upcoming PDA tourney? Would be a good match to watch.

Anonymous said...

being honest, Alby conference is weak. The can beat up on the bottom 3 teams. The win vs Stars is a quality win, but the 5-0 loss puts it in perspective, makes it appear like a one off on a bad day for Stars. Conceding 23 goals is a lot especially when you have a NT player at the back. 2nd place is a bit meaningless as im not sure they would be any better than 4th on the other side of the Conf. There are 2 types of effective teams in the NE conf. The organized, well coached , tactically prepared teams with a lot of good players - PDA, Stars. These teams do benefit from huge geographic recruiting pools. The teams with a real diff maker- WC? The rest are varying but weaker combinations of the above. It sounds like QS have a several good kids, not sure how their top players compare to the top kids on other teams at similar positions. results suggest they are a good team.

Anonymous said...

All of the talk about USYS/ECNL/NPL is pretty much hollow bragging rights. When it comes down to it all roads have the ability to get a player to where they want to be if they put in the work on any of those teams. with the exception of politics. I only know of what I hear about Strikers, good team, lower cost than ECNL (may change?) and connections to schools based on their manager/coach/alumni. ECNL is arguably the top tier for girls soccer with many tiers once you look at individual clubs and teams. NPL is equivalent to the good independents, and by independents I mean the top Got soccer listed teams who are committed to chasing points in tournaments. Strikers/ECNL/NPL attend events where they will be seen by more D1 coaches, for the area ECNL/NPL teams there are local events for local schools. My daughter plays ECNL and between practice, games and events she will be seen by local colleges a few times a week (on average you may have a local college send someone to a practice) Plus many if not all of the ECNL teams have college coaches on staff. Level of play in ENCL is high and the local teams are not at the top it is almost as if all 3 PA teams pull from the same pool for players and coaches to support the ECNL soccer economy and they will take a Striker player with the promise of getting them better looks at better schools. My opinion is buyer beware, know who your coach is (and what they are) and know who the DOC is aligned with. Sometimes the independents may be better if you are looking local, more of a boutique feel to the team and sometimes more loyalty to the players.

Anonymous said...

All of it is what you want to do with your money and where your kid wants to play (or can play). If your kid is good, no matter where she plays (ECNL, NPL, USYS/independent), she will be found. Now, will Rutgers or Penn State or UVA come calling if not in ECNL, probably not, but not a definite. Go to a camp, then. And, if she has the NT tag, she can go anywhere.

Anonymous said...

Rutgers? stop. Local school. they recruit this area very aggressively at ALL levels.

Anonymous said...

While the PA 3 ECNL teams are not at the top of their respective divisions, currently, they still get plenty of coaches that come to watch. And, isn't that what it is all about?

The coaches know that it's not about the wins/losses (although most of the games are pretty tight). It's about the athlete/player. They think big picture not club picture. How does this player fit into my program? What impact will she have? And, is she a good teammate? Will she meet her GPA to stay eligible for play? What else does she bring to the table (international experience, etc.)?

This is what they look at so we have been told. Not wins/losses. And certainly not Got Soccer points.

Irrespective of all of this, it is up to the kids to get it done on the field, off the field and in the classroom; now and in college.

Anonymous said...

11:55 - really at all levels?? Maybe Rutgers/Camden.

Anonymous said...

Best player at PF cut by Strikers. Starting Centermid for CFC cut by Strikers. What does that tell you?

Anonymous said...

Best players? Really? One of the best on both squads.

Anonymous said...

12:17 PM

Strikers don't cut, they sit. Girls cut themselves or read into the situation and move on. Also, there are a lot of connections in the ECNL arena and alignments to get girls to the colleges they want to play at. I would love to see a tounament that had PF, CFC, FCB and Strikers play a round robin. also have the coaches play all girls evenly. Invite local colleges and see who walks out with an offer. Again it would be based on the schools needs but you would have a pretty even selection across all 4 teams.

Anonymous said...

I heard Strikers send e-mails. What I have heard.
Interesting proposal. Sounds very similar to what has been proposed already with top ECNL, NPL and USYS teams playing in a tourney (full rosters). So, you could invite PDA, WC, Patriots, Penn Legacy, LDC and Match fit as well.
Why just local colleges?

Anonymous said...

yes 1211

Rutgers are looking at all levels from established NT players to hidden gems locally. The don't have to give a lot to NJ talent as they are in state and they have unearthed many good players over the years. They are not a top national destination for elite players like Duke, Stanford or the Ivys (smart kids who can play a bit) but they did well last year and have momentum. They have a good coaching staff and they are well prepared. So yes, they recruit NPL, ECNL and all levels they can. GO look at Rutgers 2016 2017 or 2018 commits. Good players, a few gems but not comparable to any real national power in any way shape or form.

Anonymous said...

The PF kid was tiny at U13 and left to get more play time- simple. Now taller than average and definitely an impact player. PF has several excellent players; there definitely could be debate as to which player is "the best". All PA ECNL teams have excellent players. The Strikers seem to have fewer true top players. One winger and a couple defenders do standout. However, they have more consistency through the roster than do the PA ECNL teams. Dilution at its finest.

Anonymous said...

Look at the large geographic area it takes to make an ECNL team an ECNL team. Would families (yes, player and parents included) travel from, I don't know, say Mechanicsburg, PA to PF (2hrs one way) if PF? Strikers aside, which draws from a large area, including Mechanicsburg, based on its singular model, most non-ECNL teams have a much smaller geographic footprint than ECNL teams, but are not that much different when it comes to a talent per square mile rating. It would be easy to have the best team in the country if you were able to recruit players from all over the country.

Anonymous said...

153

what are you saying?

Anonymous said...

1:53 PM
Due to the Geography clubs are fighting as much for players as for money (hence the composite teams). I know of quite a few players who have played for at least 2 ECNL teams in the past 2-3 years and with the birth year change are either moving to a 3rd or to an independent. Girls are traveling up from Delaware and from the Lancaster area for the ECNL teams.

Anonymous said...

12:49 - I hear ya re Rutgers. Oh, agree; good all around (program, coaching, school, etc.). Since it has been doing well in the NCAA's I figured the interest in attending would increase too. After reviewing the lists re recruits, it looks like PDA is the feeder club (and completely understand). Also, it appears that they recruit alot from the soccer academy in MN as well as Pittsburgh. Not many others though.

Anonymous said...

2:05 - Delaware, Lancaster, that's crazy.

I know kids coming in from VA; MD (outside of Wash - Bethesda area); Buffalo region; and more. It's crazy the amount of hours people log to get the kids to a soccer practice. Heck, my kid was "asked" to check out some teams in DC area, MASS area, NY (eastern and western), NJ (to name a few). It's just insane.

Anonymous said...

People lose all perspective around youth sports.

Anonymous said...

2:02 – Below are the hometowns of the PF ’99 ECNL team. Of course this team is very good and has a large number of high caliber college commits because it is essentially a regional all-star team. It’s not like all of these girls came up through the WCUSC organization. They were recruited and/or drawn in by the lure of the ECNL system. At least three of the players are former HMMS players. HMMS consistently produces good, but maybe not outstanding teams. However, most HMMS players live within a 30 minute or less commute to practice. To obtain the high quality of a team that PF has requires PF drawing in players from up to 2 hours away from its practice facility. If PF played HMMS, PF would most likely win, but I doubt it would be a blowout. In fact, YSR predicts only a one goal differential in such a match-up.

Bryn Mawr, PA
Middletown, DE
West Chester, PA
Bear, DE
Blakeslee, PA
Lititz, PA
Lancaster, PA
West Chester, PA
Forest Hill, MD
Mechanicsburg, PA
Mechanicsburg, PA
Drexel Hill, PA
Voorhees, NJ
Exton, PA
Manheim, PA
Orefield, PA
Downingtown, PA
Wilmington, DE
Lincoln University, PA
Camp Hill, PA

Anonymous said...

Interesting 308. They have one diff maker imo. the rest are very solid.

Anonymous said...

Well, 3:20, there are a couple. Most are same from last year; two wins.

Then came new adds and they are doing better (again regional team/odp kids that have played together already). And, in a month, this will be a very different team in a month as many on this team are '99s and will move up.

In a year, this team has improved considerably. Next year, it will be even more improved.

It comes with playing together and developing chemistry. That only happens when kids play together for a period of time and they develop each other.

Anonymous said...

@2:42 - you are so right!!! Talk about living through your kids.

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