Wednesday, September 25, 2013

U14G - U14 Girls Youth Soccer

This page is focused on Under 14 girls youth soccer in Region 1. Everyone says this is the 'nice" age group both internally and externally. Stay tuned.

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Anonymous said...

If anyone reads this blog from the MD / VA area I would like to pass on some important information. Bethesda's rising U15 ECNL team will be getting a new coach - Brent Leiba. Bethesda rotates coaches every three years and the current coach Dave Greene is at the end of that term. He has done a great job with the girls teaching them a technical possession style game. Brent coaches the women's team at Howard University and McLean's U18 ECNL team. The U18 team is in 1st place in their division and 6th place in champions league. Not all teams / clubs are going through turmoil at this time of year. We are transitioning from one great coach to another. We are already attracting great players who want to be part of this team. All is good - hope to see interested players there at the tryouts or any practice which is open to the public. Next tryout date is 5/29.

Anonymous said...

More northern VA tryout info:

Herndon United '99 will be holding tryouts on the dates listed below. United '99 are recent finalists in VA State Cup, and finished second in their first season in Region 1 Colonial League (Red Division). If you are interested, come out to the tryouts or contact coach Todd Hamlin (twhamlin@gmail.com) to see about joining us at practice or visit our website

Tryouts on the following dates:

Thursday May 29th 8:00pm – 9:30pm (HHS)
Saturday May 31st 3:00pm – 4:30pm (HHS)
Monday June 2nd 6:30pm – 8:00pm Hutchison

Locations:
HHS: Herndon High: 700 Bennett St, Herndon, VA
Hutchison: 13209 Parcher Ave, Herndon, VA (turf field)

Anonymous said...

I met someone from Georgia who told me that the Georgia Youth Soccer Association does not allow tryouts before a published date that everyone must follow. Does anyone knwo if this has ever been considered for our region. It is very disruptive for a team when teams alreay start tryouts in late March/early April and others wait until may. How is someone able to make an informed decision. I was thinking about the lack of responsibility to the kid that has paid their fees and are carded until August but then are left in hte uncomfortable situation of playing out the season whether a starter looking for more or a kid on the bottom of a higher level club.

Anonymous said...

U15 g Rising TRFC Everton official club tryouts . Thursday May 22 530-7pm.

Bea Lea Complex. Bay avenue Toms River.

trfceverton@gmail.com

Great Opportunities for great soccer!

Anonymous said...

How many tryouts is TR going to have? Are they starting to panic now?

Anonymous said...

on player selection, I liked this post and thought I would share it:

definitely appreciate the importance of player ID much more than before I started reading this blog. If you don’t pick the players that can perform the roles you need your style will not be successful. Similarly when projecting players for the future and whether they can learn/adapt to playing the way you want.

From my experience at state and region ODP levels, there are two main flaws – lack of game model/philosophy and poor ability to evaluate talent. When there is no direction at all throughout the age groups in terms of how the teams should play it’s hard to pick the right players. You can’t find what you aren’t looking for. When there’s not even a general idea of how to play, it’s left to the coaches and evaluators to pick players based on how they see the game. From what I’ve seen, it’s usually the typical explosive athlete that gets picked. The reason is that kind of player ‘stands out’, which is a nice way of saying the person evaluating can’t actually understand the subtleties of the game well enough to see anything other than someone who runs hard and fast.

And that brings me to the second issue. Many can’t tell the difference between a quality player and a dumb athlete. I had someone helping evaluate at ODP tryouts this year and we had to ignore all of his notes because he was so far off in his judgment. Similarly, I was helping to evaluate at the regional level a few years ago and had to almost beg the coaches to take this one player. They eventually took a good look at him near the end of camp and about a year later he was getting called into youth national team camps and made an MLS academy. But he would have been overlooked had I not kept telling the coaches how good he was. That shouldn’t be the case.

"Until player develop programs like ODP establish some criteria for player selection on a macro level rather than allowing the coaches free reign will the situation begin to improve. Too much is left to chance by giving all coaches that much freedom in player ID. There are some solid coaches within these programs, but I feel their work is offset by the ineptitude of others. There also needs to be a lot better coach development going on to help improve the coaches, but that’s a whole different topic."

From 3four3.com

Under "matters of circumstance"

Anonymous said...


@8:44
Yes, I think that encapsulates quite a bit. I think many of us are touching on TRUE areas for improvement. Thanks for sharing

@8:39
Uh, YEAH that is 'THE GAME'
Well coached players with the confidence to make decisions, be patient in their attack, with great composure and comfort with the ball. 10 minutes in I have yet to see one of the RED players simply 'out-run' a player in blue/purple. 10 MINUTES in and fun to watch. Even if that team were to lose 1-0 (which my guess is that they don't, OMG how much happier of a parent I would be to have my player learn the game). Thank you for sharing!

DCShore

PS, the comments front he parents "Why are you standing?", "Why are you not showing?"
All comments from parents who fail to appreciate and understand what their team is playing against.
May 20, 2014 at 8:56 AM

Anonymous said...

Thanks for posting the 3four3 website. I liked this post.

Applicable to every single level of the soccer pyramid, everywhere!
And particularly in the US, this is precisely the state of the game.

Think about it …

It’s not the ‘best players‘. It’s the best players for jungle ball (ie tactics free) soccer.
What players ‘make it’ in MLS?
Those who are among the best at 50/50 jungle ball soccer!

When it’s crunch time – when it really matters – what players are selected across the US Soccer pyramid?
Those who are among the best at 50/50 jungle ball soccer!

What coaches are considered good, or even great, across the US Soccer pyramid?
Well … those who win of course. And who generally wins most? Yep … You’ve guessed it! … those who’ve consistently gotten the best players for 50/50 random, roulette spinning, dice-rolling, jungle ball soccer!

This is not global gold standard football. Global gold standard football is a science, it’s tactical, it’s choreographed.

Anonymous said...

It is funny that as the discussion becomes more about soccer and how it is coached and played, or different formations, the blog goes pretty silent. Things light up the second you mention certain teams.

Anonymous said...

It is funny that as the discussion becomes more about soccer and how it is coached and played, or different formations, the blog goes pretty silent. Things light up the second you mention certain teams.

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Anonymous said...

Not surprised that strikers wasn't a fit for smaller technical players. Which teams are a fit for that player type?

Anonymous said...

Quick question, why are there girls that are leaving the PDA Pride team? My girls team just played against Real NJ Force and I saw a girl that looked familiar from the pride team now on the NJ Force team. If PDA boasts about having great teams, why are there girls leaving to go to other teams?

Anonymous said...

@951 girls are leaving Pride because they are fed up with the empty promises of the DOC. He favors seven players ( not even the best players) and the rest have to beg for playing time. He picked up player mid season and further rocked the boat. Oh yeah, ther is a promise of maybe attending a gunner practice!

Anonymous said...

9:35 I think your post is directly to the point of why the US can't compete in men's soccer and the world is catching or has caught up to the USWNT. Big and fast, that is US soccer. Jungle Ball is a very good description.

Anonymous said...

9:51 Where did you play the NJ Force? What team are you with? I'm not sure the Force is even playing this season. Are you sure you are not just trolling trying to create issues.

Anonymous said...

Maybe the girls on the pride are tired of traveling up and down the east coast to beat other crappy B teams. Why not. Go to another team where they completion is better?

Anonymous said...

919. These are the entire club age group tryouts.

Anonymous said...

The Real Force has been disbanded since Feb. You did not play the Force. Try again.

Anonymous said...

Herndon losses to ABGC in state cup final 4-0. Congrats to ABGC. Herndon tryout schedule posted above for any interested VA players.

Anonymous said...

The Pride are a very good South Jersey team, but it is hard to see how they improve. The coached talked for months about how competitive tryouts would be, butI have been surprised that we have not been able to attact more talent at tryouts. I haven't seen any players that will actually improve the team, and not anyone that can crack the coaches protected group.

Anonymous said...

1028 I agree that the lack of technical and tactical ability (great field vision- for example) etc are lacking at all levels in girls/women's soccer. The U14 teams that I have seen which seem to be at least trying to use small technical players effectively are the PDA gunners (successful)and Penn Fusion (not as successful, but trying). The coach has to be committed to a possession oriented game (like Chivas) to play to the technical player's strengths. These smaller players will not be winning 50-50s and need to have other technical players playing to their feet. This requires the other players to also have the technical ability to deliver a pass correctly with the right placement and pace and also the tactical sophistication to "see" the right pass.

One sign that a team is trying to play a technical oriented possession game is the GK throwing the ball from the box instead of constantly punting it.

Strikers and other teams like them have been successful with their ball winners so that 50-50s for them are more like 80-20s. Hence you don't need a player with the technical ability to play to feet. In fact it is counter to your style of play to do so when the plan of attack is to have speedsters run onto the ball. Teams like strikers also score a lot of goals from set pieces because they don't have players able to break down defenses with their dribbling or cheeky passing abilities. So their big strong players either score directly from free kicks or their ball winners win the ball in the box off free kicks and corners and are good enough to finish it.

In the collegiate game, Duke and Stanford play a relatively technical game.

Anonymous said...

coaches all talk about a technical possession game, but then they bring on kids that big and fast without a technical game. People say you can't coach speed but you also can't coach intelligence and it's hard to start tehnical training when you have the team for half a year and you haven't started building the team that way.

Anonymous said...

On the Pride, isn't that the team where the coach put the team in the 2nd tier state cup and played the Kirkwood Tournament to give the team confidence.

Anonymous said...

@9;28 yes they are, is it any wonder they cannot attract any talent at tryouts?

Anonymous said...

The coaches sometimes are not sophisticated themselves enough to appreciate what a high soccer IQ kid can bring to the table. Other times, the coach cant attract more than 1 or 2 on the team and the single high soccer IQ kid is useless unless his/her teammate is high soccer IQ enough to move correctly off the ball to receive a defense breakdown type pass. There needs to be a critical mass of players with high soccer IQ to really have the game change. Some coaches simply couldn't appreciate that kind of kid while others concede that the kid is not a fit, because he doesn't see a critical mass of players coming in to allow him to change up his game plan.

Anonymous said...

I could name 6-8 teams in the State of NJ that play a technical game, utilizing players of various physical profile but all with relatively the same soccer IQ.

I will not name these teams however because too many folks on this board will immediately point to the fact that they have a 'losing record' or 'their high level team' beat them 4-0. While that would be mostly true depending on the team, there is no comparison in the game and IQ being developed/displayed with these teams. NO comparison. Kind of like that video link posted above. That team has it together. Coach looked pretty darn calm, cool and collected as well.

Let's just say that those on this board who know 'The Game' and I these teams exist but also can acknowledge the small technical game is still capable at this age of losing to a few of the 'big,fast, strong' teams. That is not to say that some of the 'big, fast, strong teams' do not have technical ability (either amongst players, or some small part of their team game) just that they are not committed to it the way many of us are pointing out.

2-3 town teams (beyond Freehold who I have already championed) people. If you checkbook is tight, and you are not worried about water cooler bragging, I'd go watch a few games this weekend (heck with tournaments all of there state there is plenty of opportunity) and check them out. For no other reason than to see what some of us may be talking about. Not because you should 'jump ship'.

I will be visiting at least tournaments this weekend in NJ. One for family the other for the pure joy.

I encourage others to go too. BRING your player.

DCShore

Anonymous said...

DC Shore,
Would you be so kind to let us know the 6-8 teams that play a technical game because i have not seen many in the last 15 games we have played this Fall.

Thanks,

Anonymous said...

@4:54
What league do you play in?

As mentioned earlier, I am withholding names. No reason any teams need to be caught up in the nonsense that sometimes goes on here.

I have only endorsed those teams already in the mix of team names use don this site (Freehold Celtic as an example) that I do think play a technical game.

3-4 are never mentioned on this site and probably never will. But they exist.

The last I saw the PDA Gunners play (which unbelievably is about 2 years ago) they played a very good technically oriented game start to finish. Granted I did not see them play under the pressure of 'winning' because they were facing a less experienced team at the time. 2 years is a lifetime in soccer but I doubt things changed much, but I cannot rule it out.

I saw both Athletica and Pride play this season. Nice teams, good athletes and some talent, but not very impressed with the game they played. Again, these are just opinions. Most of us would have no problem with our daughters playing on these teams (minus the financial demands). it's just that the game they play is very 'typical' of a mid-higher level trained team, just with some better athletes.

NJSA plays a really nice game when they are ahead by 2 goals or more. If they are in a dogfight, they will abandon technical play (even from the start). They will play a very direct game. VERY effective (normally) at scoring goals but the reliance is on 2-3 players during these types of matches. So, in my eyes they can play a nice game when the setting allows but they are clearly not playing a technical game as a matter of practice. Winning is the primary objective. I have seen NJSA play very good technical soccer some days and near zero technical soccer others. Again though they are in the business of showing match results before development. Talent is taken from them...and they take talent away from other teams.

Ultimately though if you look at that shared link of that quarterfinal boys U13 match, there is NO DOUBT in my mind that team plays a high technical game win, lose or draw. Freehold Celtic (the 3 times I saw them play this year, 2 losses 1 win) same thing. Credit to them.

Again, I want to point out. PDA and NJSA put themselves on a pedestal (as do many of their parents, players and supporters). I think my criticisms/observations are fair. AGAIN i point out that most of us with be happy having our daughters on such teams given the organizational skills, efficiencies and overall competitiveness. They are far from garbage...FAR FROM garbage. I just have seen better technical player (repeatedly) quite a few 'lower ranked' teams.

DCShore

Anonymous said...

At the highest level in NJ, the Gunners are the only team that play a very disciplined soccer game. On the other side of the river, I have seen YMS a few times this year and I think they are becoming a very impressive team. Ihave seen a lot of games and I think there are few that get out of their tying to play a disciplined technical game when they find themselves in tough games. Freehold as overachieved because they play good soccer, but I think you'll be hard pressed to find many town teams playing good soccer. I have seen Copa play both ways so I don't see them as consistent, PDA Pride and Athletica try to play technically but it falls apart because they don't have the players. I haven't seen the Stallions and I have heard mixed things on their play. The Mass. teams NEFC and FC Stars play some of the best soccer in the region. NEFC doesn't get as much credit because they don't have an ECNL team. I too would like to know what teams you are talking about DC because I don't belive there are 10 of which you speak. maybe 2 or 3.

Anonymous said...

The skepticism is warranted.
I just ask how many of you watch games that are at different levels than the one your child may be playing at?

I'm a soccer rat that spends no time at home and barely sees his children on weekends. I regularly check out matches out-of-town and even out-of-state. I am even lucky enough to have family in PA playing at this same age on a PA team whose name I shall not mention. So I get to see a lot of PA soccer too.

None of this makes me an authority. But like most I have no problem sharing my opinions and providing perspective on them

How many of you are going to a tournament this weekend your child is not playing in? Have you ever even popped in a 'club' tournament just for the sake of seeing what other teams, even 'lower level' teams are doing. If I have seen 10% of the teams play in the are that is a lot. Who can tell me they have seen more?

DCShore

Anonymous said...

Enjoying the actual soccer discussion on this site (for a change). I have a question regarding the "soccer IQ" (i.e., Chivas) v. "jungle ball" approach -- if you have a daughter whose game is better suited to the "soccer IQ" game, what college programs (besides Duke and Stanford (cited above)) and/or coaches attempt to play the soccer IQ game at the collegiate level?

Anonymous said...

DC Shore

You are right about the number of games people watch out of their own family, but without your depth of knowledge we are shooting in the dark guessing which teams to go watch on a given weekend.

Anonymous said...

Fair request but i see no reason to add names to the dart board. Especially as i am not connected with the teams.

That said, the enjoyment should be in 'discovering' all that is out there. As every coach learns "steal as much as you can" from watxhing different coaches, teams, players (ok poaching players is in poor taste).

And lets just go reasonable consensus that only three teams play the described soccer we are talking about. The real question is not 'who?' these teams are but 'why?' are there not more. Why, after all the training, traveling, tournaments and yes, 'winning', do we still have players who have below average soccer IQ's? After tens of thousands of dollars in an effort to learn the game?

DCShore

Anonymous said...

624 because not enough coaches have signed up for 3four3.com coaching services...

Anonymous said...

If you want to see a technical team this weekend, go to Delco and watch Bethesda. We played them at Jeff Cup and won on two set piece goals but their ability to hold the ball and play at an extremely fast pace is something to watch. Not the biggest kids but almost all are very technical. Doubt they beat YMS or ABGC because they lose the physicality battle but they will definitely play the prettier soccer. Have not checked the schedule/field location but if they play on turf, they will have a chance.

Anonymous said...

First and second brackets are at Hempfield high school turf fields. One is a big football field.

Anonymous said...

Was anyone invited to the PDA College showcase this weekend?

Anonymous said...

We were

Anonymous said...

Saw in a previous comment that somone said Nj Force disbanded, why? Did girls leave to go elsewhere?

Anonymous said...

They didn't have enough players, manager didn't give a whoot, talent continued to plunge, and who would want to play with those parents on the sideline.

Anonymous said...

Real Force had some really good players, where did everyone go?

Anonymous said...

Real Force had some really good players, where did everyone go?

Anonymous said...

Few girls PDA South, couple NJSA04, couple Barrons, the rest scattered.

Anonymous said...

Any predictions for both brackets at PDA Showcase this weekend? Any teams to watch?

Anonymous said...

Not Pride nor Atletica.

Anonymous said...

Not sure if Gunners will take the top prize this time!

Anonymous said...

Gunners may take top bracket but I fee NJSA will take second bracket.

Anonymous said...

Big News in VA .John Harkes yes that John Harkes will be coaching McLean ECNL rising U15 next Fall . The old team Chantilly Elite will be joining forces with Mclean ECNL .

Anonymous said...

PDA is a showcase, so they won't be crowning any champions. It's just three games.

Anonymous said...

There are plenty of truly competitive soccer tournaments this weekend featuring good match ups. Who cares about the orchestrated Pda "showcase"? Will college coaches be handing out full rides to the U14s?

Anonymous said...

Combining the best players from Chantilly Elite with those from McLean will create a very nice team. Might even entice a few ABGC girls to join - and not go to FC VA. John and his wife are very good coaches should be fun to watch. Great addition for McLean especially after there loss of Brent Leiba. Another sign that ECNL is attracting the cream of the crop with respect to players and coaches.

Anonymous said...

I agree this news from VA joining the news that Manhattan SC is merging with World Class and the best kids from NEFC are moving to Mass ECNL virtually signs the death warrant for USYSA programming. Already there were B teams in the region 1 premier league. next year will be clearly second tier.

The scale has now clearly tipped and expect USYSA to crash and become the organization governing rec and town travel. All top level programming will be US Club. Best YMS kids to Bucks. Soon to see match Fit improve as those kids who cant get into PDA leave their NJ teams. Anyone predict Strikers to become Continental ECNL in the Chantilly/McLean model?

Aside: Bethesda will have real competition now from VA

Anonymous said...

The PDA "Showcase" is funny because you have World Class and FC Stars there and PDA is not playing either, instead they are playing teams with and average history. The Ohio team lost to Penn Fussion 2-0 and we know how their ECNL team is going, They play FC Virginia who lost to Continental, NJ Rush Grey, SJ Barons, and East Meadow who if the ECNL had relegation they would be the poster child losing to the PDA Pride, QUickstrike and FC Stars ECNL 8-0, they also lost to Atletica and and FC Stars NPL. If that is not guaranteeing your club blowout games I don't know what is. Why is that even fun and fair for the Gunners team. It looks like they gave the Pride a few easier games as well certainly with East Meadow, the Breakers are not terrific, and the Bulldogs should be a good game

Anonymous said...

The demise of USYSA programming in New England;
http://www.usclubsoccer.org/2014/05/22/us-club-soccer-welcomes-new-england-premiership/

The top clubs will not be allowed to register for state cups, region 1 premier league, and national league.

League hierarchy-

ECNL A, NPL B, Region 1 C

Anonymous said...

8:08,

Totally agree. As a local parent I can't wait for our regional games. A lot of the girls know each other (at least have played against each other) a number of times over the years. It's like a Redskin vs Eagles or Giants game. The girls / coaches really seem to get up for those games. Looks like FC VA getting ABGC and McLean getting Chan Elite, consolidates NOVA talent onto two teams. MD United announced that Harry Canellakis from McDonogh HS will be taking over the rising U15's. I wonder if that is enough to keep those girls there especially considering their last place finish in an average division...

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Anonymous said...

8:08
Strikers will never join anyone. DS does things his way. Giving someone else input or control is out of the question. Also it's free. Continental is not about to have 1 free team. This is not a "club". It's 1 guy putting his rescources into 1 team. No rules or by laws.

Anonymous said...

Continental will refuse money? Hardly
FC Delco's model was exactly this. Take a whole team and put a fc delco jersey on them. Continental will do what it needs to do to make its teams to be competitive. DS already having to deal with the fact that unlike his previous teams not all the best players are flocking to him. They have a great defense, but the best offensive players seem to be elsewhere...
Put the ECNL label on a free model and all of sudden, Strikers might have an offense.

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Anonymous said...

The pda showcase is a joke, no true competition at all for any of the PDA teams, I guess after poor showings all season and no one coming to tryouts, the girls need a confidence boost.

Anonymous said...

@8:57 - I don't think they will be consolidating the talent. FCV/ABGC will have an ECNL team and an NPL team, and *IF* (a big if) CSC Elite goes to McLean, they will probably end up with one ECNL team and the other team in CCL. Four teams juggle the rosters and remain four teams. There's still a fair amount of talent left at LMVS & HYS, and even VYS.

I think the biggest fallout will be what's left in State Cup. Between the Richmond merger and moving to ECNL/NPL, and the latest movement rumors, unless the teams can find some creative way to maintain a USYS roster, the VA State Cup pool will be quite different. This year the top 4 finishers were all ranked very highly (in various systems) but that could change drastically next season's State Cup.

NOVA

Anonymous said...

Look for Mclean and FCV to try and field State Cup teams. FCV's U13 won it two years ago. They brought in another team and (unranked) won it again without many of the Pre-ECNL players from the previous team.

Anonymous said...

NOVA,

I agree with what you are saying but State Cup is already diluted drastically, at least in MD. FC Frederick won it this year (U14) beating MD United's "B" team in final. FC Frederick is a step below LMVS talent wise, and LMVS just lost to ABGC 5-1? The best teams in MD don't even compete in State Cup after U13. ECNL teams are concentrating on player development, not State Cup. "If" what is mentioned above does become reality both McLean and FC VA will have very good ECNL teams and average CCL or NPL teams...

Anonymous said...

@11:29(1) - McLean has the USYS rosters to stach their ECNL players, so they will have no problem. McLean Green currently has 10 of the ECNL players on its roster (not that it did any good in State Cup this year). FCV might have trouble rostering their ECNL girls because they have no USYS teams to speak of. They would need to gut Ashburn's Div 3 team and load it with the ECNL/NPL players. Likewise with Annandale, unless they continue to dual roster their girls on the CCL team (assuming they go NPL/ECNL).

@11:29(2) - I agree on most of what you said. MD State Cup was very watered down. I think two of the top teams in MD are Bethesda ECNL and SAC. MUFC ECNL used to be good when it was Freestate North Red, I don't know what happened to them.

I think at this age group U14 State Cup in VA was still very strong. They had Annandale, HYS, CSC, LMVS, and Kickers. The only two teams missing were FCV & McLean ECNL. FCV is nowhere near the top 6-8, and McLean had a large chunk of their ECNL girls on McLean Geen and they lost in the first round.

NOVA

Anonymous said...

@11:29(2) - Forgot to mention, that even though LMVS got hammered in the semis, they are still a very good team. They just didn't show up that day. I saw the entire game and they were a step slow, and just not into it. After they got 2 or 3 goals down, they just gave up. Annandale was like a shark with blood in the water. When they sens a bit of a letdown, they go for the kill. Very technical, strong, and direct. They sustained a very high pace and high level of pressure the entire game.

NOVA

Anonymous said...

NOVA a question for you, maybe you can answer. How many of those (10) McLean Green ECNL rostered girls played in games for the ECNL team, vs other ECNL teams?

Bethesda I know rosters ECNL girls on their B team but they never play in ECNL games. Plus the current ECNL players on the Real team never play on the B team. Even in state cup. Just curious if you know, I don't know what MD United does.

The old Freestate North team is the current MD United ECNL team (at least most of them). Its the old SAC team that Harry took and formed Freestate North with.

Anonymous said...

Gunners parents, it would be good to get your thoughts on the Showcase Brackets. I know you play World Class and FC Stars in the ECNL, but it looks like the put you up against some teams where we will probably see 5-0 type games. It seems like the Ohio and Virginia team will be like playing East Meadow going by their Got Soccer History, the Virgina seems based on Got Soccer and ECNL history to be completely overmatched in the top bracket.

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Anonymous said...

@12:11 - They have all played in their ECNL League games. I can't say how much time they get, but I've seen the Green team play a few times in the past 2 seasons and if the ECNL team is not traveling, a fair number of their ECNL starters will play for Green. There were some girls that didn't play as much in the ECNL games (at least last season), but through two seasons they have played in more than a handful of ECNL games.

NOVA

Anonymous said...

Yes - PDA is a SHOWcase - and PDA has it set up so that their girls will show well. World Class and Stars are going to show well also. Not so sure about Ohio, Virginia or Manhattan. They look like sacrificial lambs. And YES, college coaches will be there watching. Guaranteed.

Anonymous said...

Admin

just for the record the two names I posted 12:48 are marvel comic book characters that are also NOVA.



Anonymous said...

@1:57 - In my case, the NOVA refers to "Northern Virginia", so the answer to your original question would be "neither".

NOVA

Anonymous said...

Nova-
Have you ever watched the NVSC u15 team? Your thoughts?

Anonymous said...

6 Mclean ECNL players playing with Harkes this weekend at FC Delco heard that 4 of them were former ABGC Premier players from last year .

Anonymous said...

only allowed 5 guests at delco...

Anonymous said...

I doubt it since the limit allowed is 5.

Anonymous said...

Did PDA really just schedule the Gunners in the top bracket against teams ranked approx #500 and #400 in the country? Really? Why not just play the Pride.

Anonymous said...

The absurdity of the PDA bracket is that they could have played WC and FC Stars, teams that they know will be competitive matchups.

Anonymous said...

Duh, they don't want it competitive! They want their girls to stand out beating lower level teams 5to 0. Colleges coaches will be so impressed. And Pride will have to drive far yet again to beat up on lesser teams.

Anonymous said...

I don't thinkthe Pride are good enough to beat up on any team in their bracket except mayber East Meadow.

Anonymous said...

@3:11 - You mean the team that used to be PWSI Courage '98 and moved to NVSC? No, I haven't seen them, just read about them.

NOVA

Anonymous said...

Anybody in South Jersey affected by this: http://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/news/breaking/pinelands-commission-to-tuckahoe-turf-stop-hosting-soccer-tourneys/article_8624d7c4-d6ed-11e3-890b-0019bb2963f4.html

NOVA

Anonymous said...

So you think games were purposely scheduled in order to impress college coaches? You people cannot be that ignorant, or can you?
Do you really think a coach cares about the score of a game when evaluating talent? Do you think a coach doesn't take into consideration the competition when evaluating talent? Bottom line is you look for a skill set that can translate to the next level.
Granted, you get to see different things when athletes are under pressure, but this is U14, not 15 or 16. You people have brought your hate and bitterness to desperate levels to think that pda has purposely avoided certain teams in order to look good to college coaches. smh

Anonymous said...

7:38 I don't think this is hate at all. I think people were joking about the coaches because very few if any will be watching 8th graders. I think what people do not like and you can see by the teams the Gunners are playing is that the schedulers set up a bracket with very little competition for the Gunners. The records are publically available for anyone to see. PDA could have had the Gunners play WC and FC Stars, instead they give mediocre competition. Look at my post from 8:17 AM not hate, all factual. I will restate. The Gunners, one of the if not the best team in the country is playing to a team that lost COntinental FC, NJ Rush Grey in the 3rd bracket of the Jeff Cup, SJ Barons, and East Meadow. Outside of maybe Manhattan Santos, please explain why that Bracket is a top tournament bracket?

Anonymous said...

Not allowing the kids to play on the turf farm is a disgrace!! The best fields hands down, grass or turf, my daughter has every played on. Just another example of a group on NJ politicians running amuck!!! Someone didn't get their share of the revenues. It's good for the kids, good for the town and good for NJ. As the Bad News Bears once said "Let them play!!!"

Anonymous said...

@11:48 FCV is nowhere near the top 6-8, and McLean had a large chunk of their ECNL

The fact is that Mclean beat Annandale head to head and FCV tied Mclean 1-1 and lost 1-0 (just like Annandale). Head to head, against Region 1 teams, similiar results to some of the colonial league teams that were common opponents.

I think people overlook most of Mclean and FCV's roster came from top teams in the state (Annandale, Springfield, Vienna, HYS before it moved, Mclean).

These are D1 players, on a team team, being asked to play a style and different formations (even in the same game) than none of the teams listed in the VA State Cup are being asked to play and against teams that are far faster, bigger, more physical, and more technical than the teams listed.

What is more important, playing soccer like it should be played or winning at U14?

Take players off any of the final four, put them in a similar environment, with demands being placed on these players, and my guess is any combination from those teams would have similar results with the demands being placed on the ECNL teams.

The problem in NOVA is that we can't ask girls to play soccer from U9 to U14, then leave their teams to another team with a different style, expect them to play a killer schedule, and not expect that it will take at least a year to 18 months of adjustment.

That is why FCV and Mclean now bringing in kids at an earlier age to build team chemistry and experience in the style of play demanded to win soccer at a high level.

But no where near the top 6 to 8, outside the 5 listed who is next Beach FC, Vienna, Loudoun Red, FASA. Most of the best players from last year's Vienna went to both ECNL teams....the rest of teams don't play the schedule demanded of the two ECNL teams and are slower.

Without constant pressure, the ECNL teams can score. They have not figured out how to score facing constant, quick pressure with big, physical back lines.

Mclean is probably in the top 4. FC Virginia probably 4 to 8.

Anonymous said...



The blog is a few days behind, The Pinelands Commission gave in for now and will allow a "limited number" of soccer activities

Anonymous said...

And to support that comment, look at Mclean. They took most of the key starters off last year's ABGC. They have had more success than FCV. But they have struggled in the Spring.

They are being asked to play with new teammates, for some a new style of play, and against strong team.

Take 4 players from each of the top 4. Form 4 teams. Put them in the top brackets of tournaments and with an ECNL schedule and showcases. They will be asked to play different positions, different teammates, than they have played before. They will not be allowed to just go direct (so 50% of the players have never played indirect).

My guess is 1/4 of the team will continue to play direct, 1/4 will play indirect and turnover the ball most of the time because they were never trained to pass against constant pressure, 1/4 will not be ECNL capable, and 1/4 will be able to handle it day one.

Result, adjustment period of 1 to 2 years with less than stellar results.

Welcome to NOVA ECNL teams. Good luck.

Anonymous said...

And Mclean had 14 healthy bodies, out of a roster of 24, for most of the Spring. FC Virginia can barely field a full roster because they have 1/3 of the team as walking wounded. I know Annandale has a bunch of walking wounded. Don't know about Harkes. One thing to consider HYS and LMVSC parents, play the more physical style of teams and take 1/4 to 1/3 of your roster out of the equation because they are going to be hurt any given weekend as you step up in competition. Hopefully you don't lose a key defender or attacker or have to pull in guest players.

Anonymous said...

Mclean ECNL beat State Cup Champ Annandale 1-0 and FC Virginia ECNL scrimmaged State Cup Runner Up Herndon and it was a 1-1 tie (and both played a common Colonial League opponent and lost by same goal differential).

Anonymous said...

@738 Calm down Gunner dad, your Mia will shine tomorrow when all the college coaches cheer for her numerous goals!

Anonymous said...

Well while PDA is "showcasing" 8th graders, the rest of us will be participating in challenging, fun, and competitive tournaments!

Anonymous said...

I hear birds chirping when we ask a PDA to comment on why it is good for PDA to set up the competition the way they did in the first bracket. They call people haters, but it would be great just to get an honest assessment of whether their club did what is in the best interest of their team or the best interest in their club. It seems they are more interested in saying look at us we won every game. They have been doing that a quite a bit on twitter recently. Is it really good for development to play non-competitive games.

Anonymous said...

Is there really anything positive a PDA parent could say at this point? Nothing that would justify the pricetag for being a team member.

Anonymous said...

@8:52 - "I think people overlook most of Mclean and FCV's roster came from top teams in the state (Annandale, Springfield, Vienna, HYS before it moved, Mclean)."

I'm not sure what this has to do with anything. Annandale picked up some girls and is still very good. The Springfield girls had already moved to Annandale before leaving for McLean. HYS only lost one, and they are a much better team now than they were a year ago after picking up a few from Springfield (who dissolved). I think there are still 4 or 5 very good teams left aside from the ECNL teams: ABGC, HYS, CSC, LMVS, and Kickers. VYS is struggling after losing 4 to McLean. As I mentioned earlier, FCV might get there, but they need time.

Players are being asked to play different positions all the time on many teams. I'm not sure why this would affect McLean's roster any more so than any other team. And learning new formations? Other teams do that as well (at least the good ones do). What's important is to look at how they play, not the scores. Can they break pressure, do the use the entire field, do they pass or tend to dribble, etc. If a player is a good technical player, they can play in any number of positions and formations. It might take a little time for the entire team to learn a new formation, but not more than a few months. Certainly not a couple of years. If these kids represent the top talent in the area, then they should be able to pick up stuff pretty quickly. You think playing multiple formations in a single game is unique to McLean? Hardly. That's not uncommon tactics for technical teams that know how to play soccer properly, or for teams that are learning.

My opinions are based on watching the teams play, not looking at results or records. And to claim that the ECNL schedule is a "killer schedule"? Sure, there's some good teams but there's a bunch of teams that aren't: NC Fusion, Richmond Strikers, VA Rush, MUFC. It's no different than most other leagues - There's some good teams and some not-so-good teams.

NOVA

Anonymous said...

The over/under on the Gunners goal differential this weekend is set at 12. The over/under on the number of Goals scored combined by the Pride and Atletica is set at 3.

Any takers?

Anonymous said...

Mclean not the only one who has players from those teams. It is not just ECNL games, Mclean and FCV have played in higher brackets at tournaments than any team in VA other than Annandale and Harkes.

Always nice to see people who never watched a league game trash ECNL based on a couple teams and ignore State Cup champs, Regional finalists, and tournament schedules that also comprise the schedule.

How about this - PDA, FC Stars, World class, North Rockland, Charlotte, Piedmont Triad, FC Bucks, Carmel, Bethesda - Annandale plays that type of schedule. Not sure the rest of the teams in Virginia have even faced that level of competition (let alone) had success.

Always love the subjective nature of soccer, ignore stats and results, make it a subjective decision. But it really isn't subjective since it sounds like you have a kid on one of the USYS teams - it is a biased decision and anyone who has a kid on the ECNL teams would have bias the other way.

But one thing that is pretty black and white, the ECNL teams have faced much stiffer competition than any team in VA - other than Annandale (and maybe Harkes)

Anonymous said...

Sorry not a gunner dad, just someone who has some common sense. When people talk about trying to fool college coaches by setting up a schedule a certain way, you're basically saying that college coaches have no idea how to judge talent.
As for the chirping bird dude, your answer is obvious. In any tournament in any sport, if teams within your division are also participating, the common practice is to not schedule games against teams that are in your division. You play them twice a year every year. Play someone you haven't seen before. Again a very common approach that the haters close their eyes to because it is pda. The Gunners are ducking competition. Lol.
How about an opportunity to get some other players increased minutes that they maybe did not get in certain league games. Isn't there value in getting more minutes for more players when the opportunity presents itself? Maybe this is the opportunity. I'm sure you fail to see any developmental value there.

Anonymous said...

If these kids represent the top talent in the area, then they should be able to pick up stuff pretty quickly.

I'm sure you team would give its right arm to have most of Mclean's starting lineup.....and we didn't far well against Charlotte, CASL, Bethesda, FC Stars, etc. Keep living in the fantasy that ECNL is WAGS Division 1.

Anonymous said...

MUFC....didn't they win WAGS Division 1 a last year as Freestate North. So the WAGS champion is a not a strong team....sounds like we have common ground.

Anonymous said...

I think part of the problem is some USYS teams use GotSoccer like it the AP poll. Not many ECNL teams on there. The problem is that many of the former State Cup and Regional champs (Charlotte, Carmel, Michigan Hawks, FC Stars, Bethesda) moved to ECNL and GotSoccer really isn't that important since those teams focus on USYS and ECNL events. Looking at Got Soccer, Worldclass, PDA, FC Stars, Charlotte are not on there.

So I looked at the NY State Cup East Championship. Worldclass defeated current GS #1 Santos.

Well it looks like Worldclass is National #1

https://home.gotsoccer.com/rankings/team.aspx?TeamID=235644

And Santos is National #1

https://home.gotsoccer.com/rankings/team.aspx?teamid=166093

Looking at the search, it appears all the ECNL teams have been pulled out.

So those who reference GotSoccer points for comparison, it appears flawed (and biased)

Anonymous said...

Oh we get it now. The showcase will feature the girls that do not play that many minutes in regular season. I cnnot type for laughing!!

Anonymous said...

I am taking me ball and going home !!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

Amigo

Anonymous said...

Is it true that the DOC of PDA south actually emailed past players and players on other teams to invite them to tryouts last week?? Was the tryout turnout that bad?

Anonymous said...

@11:48 - My kid's team is happy with the roster that they have. Nothing against McLean (or any other team), I know they have some talented kids. I'm not saying they don't. Who compared ECNL to WAGS? The one objection I have is that some people think that simply putting "ECNL" at the end of your team's name makes them the holy grail of soccer teams. Not so. There are many exceptional teams in the ECNL, but there are just as many run-of-the mill teams. To imply that the bottom tier ECNL teams are better than the top teams in any other league, now that's someone who's living in a fantasy world.

@11:52 - If you think the MUFC roster is the same as when they were Freestate North, you're fooling yourself.

@12:03 - Anyone who uses GotSoccer to judge a team's strength is either naive, or just plain ignorant. Like I've said many times, I judge a team by watching them play over the course of multiple games, not by their record, or their stats, or by some scrimmage they had against some other team.

NOVA

Anonymous said...

MUFC roster is pretty close

Freestate North

http://www.freestatesoccer.org/Teams2007/FreestateNorth99G/index_E.html

MUFC

http://www.eliteclubsnationalleague.com/teams/62561624/38337500-62562500/TEAM.html

They probably picked up some players from other Maryland teams to try and strengthen the team. But the roster has most of the players from Freestate with only 4-5 not on the roster.

No on said bottom ECNL teams are better. The statement was Mclean and FCV played a "killer" schedule and four bottom teams were used to say it wasn't, while completely ignoring tournament brackets.

Anonymous said...

NOVA

If you are happy with the roster at HYS, why post the tryout schedule on here - a board frequented by parents from ECNL and top USYS teams? You want to get better. Look it is understandable. You lost to Annandale 4-0. You want to progress higher than Colonial League. Nice win over Harkes. We salute that accomplishment.

But your coach try to recruit several of the Mclean players before they moved to that club.

Mclean has talent, look how we fared. We have a midfield and attackers that most teams in Virginia would covet. We've had trouble scoring (lately) in ECNL games. Still beat Annandale. Something you have yet to do.

Good night. Good luck.

Anonymous said...

Enjoy the weekend of soccer!

DCShore

Anonymous said...

12:03 poster, go do your research. Gunners is #1 in NJ on Gotsoccer. How do you think they got there? Ecnl points and points from so-called ecnl brackets at tournaments. So the argument that ecnl clubs don't play for points, Was Created BY ECNL Parebts a To Look Good When Their Teams Fail to Win (which happens to everyone it's just no one else cries about it).

Anonymous said...

So I did my research and your point doesn't make sense about the Gunners. Teams that chase GS points play a lot of tournaments and not alway. In the last year, nearly all of PDAs points came from 3 tournaments, The PDA Spring Kickoff, the Jeff Cup, and a Hammonton tournament last year. That is hardly playing for GS points, Compare that to Toms RIver where they played 7+ tournaments and in a Got Soccer Points league. I do not think playing in your own clubs tournament in the top bracket and in the Jeff Cup qualifies as chasing points. If they played 7 Got Soccer Tournaments, they'd be sitting at more like 40,000 points.

Anonymous said...

1205
Completely expected ignorant reply.
Yes, that is what was posted. The games will "feature" girls that don't play as many minutes in some games.
Have a clue.

Anonymous said...

9:05 is correct. Players contact coaches and say this is our schedule. Coaches go watch them play. Everyone gets playing time. That's why it's called a "showcase " instead of a "tournament."

Did any club or coach offer their players advice on how to deal with the nervousness and stress of playing in front of college coaches?

Anonymous said...

For the U-14s, PDA is not calling it a Showcase but an Invitational. Let's be real though, very few if any coaches will be watching the 8th graders.

Anonymous said...

I saw Syracuse, Penn State and BC at a minimum so far.

Anonymous said...

Syracuse coach sitting in the middle of the two teams for the Worldclass/FC Virginia game

Anonymous said...

Saw several coaches at u14 Delco. I guess they didn't get the memo it's not a showcase. There is not an older girls team within 25 miles. So they wanted to watch u14???

Anonymous said...

Delco is a tournament according to their own page. They never claimed they were a showcase like PDA.
Players notify coaches where they are playing and coaches go to see them. If you want to brag about colleges like Felician and PSU-Altoona watching players there go right ahead. You probably have lower level assistant D1 coaches and D2/D3 head coaches watching your kid. Hofstra and Rider is there. Who else of note?

Sounds like someone is upset their kid is in Philly than
Zarepath.

Anonymous said...

Coaches at FC Delco
http://events.gotsport.com/events/collegecoaches.aspx?EventID=35682

Anonymous said...

Not an impressive list

Anonymous said...

Mixed bag of soccer yesterday. Crazy to think how many tournaments are taking place this weekend.

For those who played late 70's and early 80's, remember back when you always did those 1 or 2 tournaments purely because there were no other options? Stuff like the Jackson VIC tournament or the tournament that was held in Scotch Plains years ago. I cannot remember the name...if it even had one. (very Jersey-centric post, apologies in advance)

A little bit of nostalgia, and none of the nastiness for a change of pace on this board.

DCShore

Anonymous said...

How can you tell a college coach? Are they wearing school gear with a clipboard and entorage or is it just a guy standing alone wearing his favorite team jersey?

Anonymous said...

Ask PDA, they promised lots of coaches at our showcase. We can't wait for the calls and scholarship offers to come in!!!!

Anonymous said...

Ask PDA, they promised lots of coaches at our showcase. We can't wait for the calls and scholarship offers to come in!!!!

Anonymous said...

11:06

At Delco:
1. Game 1 Saturday at foot ball stadium field. Man standing by fence in matching jacket, hat and clipboard. Couldn't tell you who. Also saw 3 in stands dressed similar. They stood out. Hats , jacket and clipboard.
2. Yesterday we were back in football stadium. On the way home my daughter told me she was approached by a coach on her way to the car. He had St. Louis on his clip board , hat and jacket. He told her she played a very good game and mentioned a few things she did well. Then kept walking.
The coaches stand out because of the clip board and college gear. Plus they don't appear to fit in as family most times. Your question does make me think any creepo could get the gear and clip board and get his jollies off watching the girls. Or getting close.

Anonymous said...

Look up NCAA rules since coaches cannot address child directly until their junior year in September. You can call or email them but they cannot approach you directly.

Anonymous said...

I haven't seen much posted about the success of the VA teams at Delco this weekend. Are NJ/PA/NY people surprised about ABGC and Harkes to the final of the top bracket? VA with some success in the lower brackets as well.

And it seems there are some McLean parents up here. Why no tourney for the ECNL group this weekend?

Anonymous said...

The southern mid atlantic division will be much more competititve next year for sure. Harkes team plays some great soccer. Couple of standouts. ABGC has a few really outstanding players who drive that team's success. If your kid played in the top flight at delco and is not already rostered to an ECNL team next year, you might be missing the boat because it looks like its sailed.

Anonymous said...

Why are both teams (and coaches) trying to get into ECNL then? ABGC to FC VA and Chantilly into McLean. Have to ask yourself 9:07...

Anonymous said...

9:46 is exactly right. ECNL teams won't even be at Delco at U15 and U16, they will have ECNL games. The problem for both ABGC and Chantilly is that they will attract less and less talent going forward. ECNL is a magnet for players seriously considering playing in college and they know its a showcase league. Any team ECNL or not would falter by losing 3 or 4 of their best players, and the reality is a large number of really good players are going to ECNL teams for tryouts. ECNL teams will by in large get better not worse. Although there will will be ECNL players jumping from one ECNL team to a better one if it is geographically doable. Players and coaches all know this and it is exactly why Chantilly / Harkes and Gus/ ABGC are desperately trying to get into ECNL. They know their talent pool will quickly dry up and they ultimately will lose players.

That said congratulations to both teams on their success this weekend.

SID

Anonymous said...

Chantilly & FC Bucks a great game to watch in semi-finals. 1-1 heading into OT. Chantilly took the game in the end. Hard fought by both teams. Congrats. Some good soccer.

Anonymous said...

11:03 I would have loved to been there.

DCShore

Anonymous said...

Relax 9:49. I was just asking for people's opinions about the VA teams doing well and just wondering why the McLean ECNL was not doing an event this weekend. I was not trying to start another "ECNL - Good, Bad or Overrated" debate. Not every comment is a challenge to your team or league. I am not affiliated with any of the three teams mentioned, so you don't need to fight me on this one.

Anonymous said...

ABGC beat Chantilly 5-0 in Delco final? What did Chantilly's goalie go down?

Anonymous said...

I thought NJSA Bulldogs former coach had the u15 team in the fall?

PDA Shore AMBUSH Fall U15G Try-outs
by spohner, 05/22/14 9:33 AM
PDA Shore AMBUSH Fall U15G try-outs will be held on Monday, June 2nd at a location and time TBD. Try-outs will be in the Toms River, NJ area. NEW TEAM. The team will be coached by Kristin Giotta, current Head Women's Soccer Coach at Fairleigh Dickinson University - Florham. Please contact Coach Giotta for additional information:PDAcoachKG@yahoo.com

Anonymous said...

I thought PDA Shore already finished their tryouts?

Anonymous said...

Seriously, PDA shore is calling for tryouts for a second team.

Anonymous said...

Is it a second team or did they not get enough for a team the first time around?

Anonymous said...

PDA Ambush u15g will be their E team. Wow!!!

Who would go for a team like that?

Anonymous said...

Can someone clarify if there will be one or two PDA Shore teams?

Anonymous said...

My guess, to the contrary is they got more players in than expected. Why tell those players know when they each represent $2,500 in income.
Again, soeculation on my part but also based on a Memorial Day convrrsation i had with a U12 parent choosing to rip their child from current team in order yo chase their childs, i mean their iwn unfulfilled dream. When you have to whisper it in conversation so your child does not hear, thus get ipset, you can be assured you are making the wrong decision.

DCShore

Anonymous said...

So are you saying (not sure if it's true or not) that the D1 coaches from good programs only go to ECNL events/showcases? There isn't even an ECNL program within driving distance from Syracuse. What about the 1000's of girls that are geographically disadvantaged and don't live near an ECNL program?

Anonymous said...

As the parent of a D1 player, coaches do go to ECNL tournaments and other high level tournaments but the best way is to attend camps provided by the different colleges you are interested in.
Start early since most D1 players are already verbally committed by end of 10th grade

Anonymous said...

Thanks, I didn't think of attending the college events themselves

Anonymous said...

Hershey elite team just misses going to national championships. Some of the best reading ever.

http://www.hersheysoccer.com/page/show/925104-99-elite-fc-2013-14-

Anonymous said...

That's is way to funny. The Connecticut team that hasn't lost in 5 years has less then 300 points and has never played in a tournament I've heard of. The writer is amazing. He should be hooked up with a politician.

Anonymous said...

That is funny and a little embarrassing. How can a team be ranked 26th in the state of Connecticut and not lose a game in 5 years? If your team has beaten the all mighty Suffield Wildcats please let us know. I am sure CFC (ECNL) is looking to merge with them by now. One other note. I am sure most teams should hopefully win the game if they tack on 4 more "girls".

Anonymous said...

Who cares, let the coach feel good, it has not impact on you. The guy clearly has to portray himself in this way.

Anonymous said...

If you read this blog you know little discussed here has any affect on the authors. I'm not busting on anyone. I'm LMAO.

Anonymous said...

So Chantilly Elite 99 is holding tryouts this evening. Rumors of Harkes merging with Mclean ECNL may be premature......

as is news of ABGC moving as an entire team to FCV. Gus wants to pacify his parents and put the letters ECNL on his resume while giving FCV admin hope that if Premiere is playing Chesterfield in NPL/VPL and FCV ECNL is playing Mclean - that ABGC's Defensive Line and top player who show up to help FCV win it.

Plus the 5-6 ABGC players who have a legit chance at college, can go to the ECNL showcases.

It is really a win/win

a) Gus wins, he can promote his camps to more players and promote his ECNL experience

b) Premiere wins, the best players go to the ECNL Showcase events

c) FCV wins, they may get help in key positions of need.

Anonymous said...

I think it had an effect on the coach because last time the Hershey "ekite" team was discussed on the board, many posts were deleted.Is it true that the Penn Legacy Black team is disbanding and a bunch of former players are moving to the Hershey team? Propaganda like the above link will help in his recruiting efforts. But who cares about false advertising in youth sports since it happens all the time.

Anonymous said...

Penn legacy black is not disbanding. They are rebuilding:)
5 went to classics, 2 went to penn fusion and 2 went to Hershey.

Anonymous said...

Who wins if ABGC/FCV pull this off

1) Gus. His top players won't decide to leave him as they get older and tournaments like Delco are displayed by PDA.

2) ABGC Top Players - they get access to ECNL while staying with their team

3) FCV Players - they get much needed help.

4) ABGC Core Players - they may get more playing time against the Arlingtons and Kickers second teams plus access to a National Championship and NPL Showcase if they are able to win it.

5)HYS. If Annandale is force to leave ABGC to Ashburn to be considered the same club as FCV for dual roster, then ABGC loses its access to a USYS league and that would send Runner Up United from Colonial League to Premiere League.

Anonymous said...

As a local parent who lives in the DC metro area I would love to know if Harkes is coaching Mclean. If so he pulls the best Chantilly girls there. I heard from a "reliable source" that FC VA's director does not want anything to do with Gus but would love for the ABGC girls to come and tryout. We will see, both MD ECNL teams have announced new coaches and it should not be long before we hear from VA ECNL.

I've seen ABGC play many times, as I have MD United, Chantilly, McLean and Bethesda. I enjoy watching all these teams play when I get a chance they are all very nice teams. The ABGC girls are especially fun to watch because they come ready to battle every game. They might not be the most talented team as a whole but have incredible energy and very athletic. I'm not a big fan of the coach but won't criticize his results. I'm sure there are other coaches out there like Gus and his assistant but they teach their girls how to win on and off the field. I've seen them come to games purposely wearing wrong color jerseys just to make other team change. Run laps through a teams warmups and delay and sit on leads better than pro teams. They know the rules inside and out of every tournament and use whatever they can to eek out an advantage. At Delco they faked injuries because they knew the rules did not allow for time to be put back on the clock. Winning to them is very important, more so than most teams. It could be why Gus has a hard time finding a ECNL home. Most clubs refuse to teach these types of tactics and feel player development over a win is more important. Still think Gus is a good coach that plays to his players strengths which is a fast athletic team. But the win at any cost thing is a little embarrassing. Takes away from the true talent those girls have. His reputation in this area is well known and so are his tactics.

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Anonymous said...

Harkes going to McLean bank on it

Anonymous said...

Penn Fusion looked pretty thin this weekend with only 2 on the bench. Result against ABGC and Bethesda poor. the Penn Legacy kids look to be needed. Just wonder if they are top of the roster players who will add to the penn Fusion team.

Anonymous said...

They are a goalie who is very good. And a defender/midfielder. Both will help Penn Fusion.

Anonymous said...

saw some of the yms penn fusion game. Penn fusion had 4 or so little technical kids. one looked at most 12. were they play ups to fill the roster for the tournament since they were so short last weekend? they defintely could use some ball winners. wonder why they didnt really field a team for delco.

Anonymous said...

@1053, it will be a major Ambush on the parents wallet.

Anonymous said...

@1053, it will be a major Ambush on the parents wallet.

Anonymous said...

Smallest technical player is not playing up. She came from PA Strikers where her sister still plays.

Anonymous said...

PDA Shore had a lot of turndowns from good players i hear.

Anonymous said...

Exactly! Why would good players want to be on the D team. Look at Pride, no one came to tryouts. DOC has to keep the old regimen.

Anonymous said...

Penn Fusion looked bad. Should not have played this tournament. No bench and the head coach was missing. What is all this talk about small technical players? Can't a player be big and have technique? I would much prefer that over players that constantly get knocked off the ball. I saw a lot of this and then poor work rate to win the ball back. I understand the soccer landscape is constantly changing, but I came away from the weekend with a clear top 4 in the Region. World Class, PDA, FC Stars, and ABGC are the class of the Region. A big drop off after that.

Anonymous said...

If penn fusion gets the sister to leave strikers they would be upgraded. She is a physical ball winner with excellent skills. Will the ECNL call win out over the strikers free deal? Not to mention making it easier for the family. Odd. Might be a statement relative to the ECNL versus region 1 national league argument. Eggs in both baskets? Does the striker kid play also with penn fusion?

Anonymous said...

Showings at pda south tryouts was so bad the DOC had to contact previous players. Unheard of.

Anonymous said...

My daughter went to the PDA Shore tryout. They had about 40 girls there the first night....significantly less the second night. My daughter opted to not return on night two because the talent level at the tryout was not high level. Not sure how they are making a second team.

Anonymous said...

As long as parents are willing to write a check, PDA will always have a second team.

Anonymous said...

Who cares about talent level? Don't look at the talent level now.
Isn't it about development? Think about the talent 6 months from now ;)

DCShore

Anonymous said...

Great: See you in six months!

Anonymous said...

10:26 rumor was the striker kid was headed to PF next season. Time will tell.

Anonymous said...

10:23, PDA and ABGC are not in the same class as World Class and FC Stars. PDA with their U15 girls playing back on age, yes but without them no. ABGC is not even close. WC, FC Stars and Charlotte are best teams on east coast.

DC Shore, any talent evaluator will tell you by age 16 the player is the player they are more or less going to be. They will continue to get better, but they are who they are. Players at U14 /15 who do not have good technical skills will really be exposed at this point. Every youth soccer player at U14 / 15 should be more or less technically sound and if they are not you can pick and choose who you want to blame.

Anonymous said...

Interesting about larger technical players. the most famous one was Zinadine Zidane. But they are rare for sure. However most of us could come up with a long list of smaller technical players- Xavi Hernandez, Andres Iniesta, Luka Modric Eden Hazard, Mesut Ozil just to mention a few contemporary players. The best historical example might be George Best who was overlooked in the youth national programming due to his size. I think he was Irish. Wonder if there is some neurologic impedement to the coordination needed to be a top technical player.
Regarding Penn Fusion, it seems their bench was non existent so not really fair to judge work rates in that situation. The coach might have instructed the kids to take it easy and dont get hurt.

Anonymous said...

Having watched a pile of matches this weekend I saw one consistently big problem. It's called joist sticking. If your coach is yelling non stop telling players where to go and what to do he hasn't coached them correctly. He or she is supposed to be preparing them for playing at the next level. He or she will not be there to tell your child where to go or what to do. You coach and teach in practice they show you what they learned in games. Yes everybody has an off day and needs a wake up call. But coach if your mouth runs non stop telling players what to do and where to go you have not taught them correctly. Don't get mad at them you haven't prepared them. Isolated incident ok I'll give you that. The whole entire game? Every second?

Anonymous said...

Typical soccer stereotypes. Big means strong and not very good technical ability. Small means weak and very good technical ability. I have seen big kids with good ball skills who were weak and not aggressive. I have seen small "fire hydrant" types who can out muscle the biggest kids for the ball but have no idea what to do with it after they win it. If you ask me, I kind of have a soft spot for average sized kids myself. Seems to be many more of them. And if your lucky, you will find some that are strong, quick, athletic, smart, and yes even very good technically.

Anonymous said...

Of course you have, but there is clearly some validity that the significant majority of highly technical players (the dribblers that break down defenses)are relatively small. Whether its biological or a developmental defense mechanism to remain competitive is what's unclear. the opinion that small technical players are useless because they are "pushed off the ball" is common in the US and even elsewhere. I believe the opinion is holding back US soccer. Its cultural and I don't think is going to change anytime soon. Here's a guy who speaks to it better than I:

When did I equate EPL to high quality? Sorry but the game style is what attracts a lot of people. A lot of people prefer hard working grunts that give 110% to players with flare. Why? Because many, many people can identify with that. They appreciate it because that’s the way they live their lives.

You see it in the youth soccer here too (as a predominantly Anglo-Saxon run sport). You see it in the English coaches that come here. I’ve spoken to many of them and for them ‘technical kids just get pushed around’. They don’t want technical kids with flare and creativity. They want hard working aggressive kids that give it their all. That’s the culture and that’s the identity. It’s even part of the American Dream.

Most US youth soccer parents do not really understand the game. For example they couldn't understand a brilliant run that creates space because they just don't see it. But they appreciate the kid with the great work rate.

Anonymous said...

I think you might enjoy this article on identifying elite players and the discussion that follows:

http://blog.3four3.com/2010/10/01/is-it-difficult-to-identify-elite-soccer-players/

Anonymous said...

8:46
Spot on

Anonymous said...

10:20 the regime you are speaking about is probably a new team and some dead weight is shed. happens every year. pretty simple math, get rid of your bttom thrd and bring in a new thrd. maybe your suzy q was in that bottom thrd or you are just a bitter person ticked off at a club with three letters and need a place to vent which would lead to your whining and complaining on this forum.

Anonymous said...

10:34
Decent article. The starting point for an elite player is one that "can retain possession far better than their colleagues". If this is the core principle, why does nearly every soccer coach (American and European) emphasize one and two touch passing? And when a player holds the ball and has it stolen away, they get yelled at for not getting rid of it sooner. It seems to me we are discouraging the types of possession skills that are required to be considered elite.

Anonymous said...

Relax pda dad!! Roster has been set so your suzy survived another year, hope she can stay out of the bottom. Let the development continue.

Anonymous said...

@ 8:08 AM
Only in this country would someone tell you that. Goo luck U.S. soccer.

Development continues at least throughout your early 20's. That feeling you stated is just ridiculous at best but more likely a total cop-out used by those focused on winning and not development. TRUTH

DCShore

Anonymous said...

DC Shore

I generally agree with your comments, I disagree on this one. At 14, a coach has a lot less opportunity to develop individual skills of kids. If a new team of 11 brings on kids that have not been in pressure situations, have not been developing foot skills, first touch skills, seeing the field, etc. it will be difficult for a coach to catch those kids up. By the time many kids are 14/15 they have 10s if not hundreds of thousands of touches on the ball and kids that are catching up will be challenged. A coach then takes on these kids that he loses to high school from August to November where the worst habits are reinforced. For a new team to come together and compete at a reasonably high level, they will need the kids to come with a pretty could soccer base. I am sure you know this, but at this age a coach has little time with 1.5 hours twice a week to work on individual skills. They have to work on the team dynamic. So while development continues, Not every kid is cut out to play soccer at a competitive level, to a base level of talent does matter, and if you want to frustrate a very good player put them on a team with a weak player that is there for the sake of development. Your post seems to indicate that if you through any 11 kids on the field the talent will be developed.

Anonymous said...

11:43 I don't think possession and one-two touch play are mutually exclusive. Even one-two touch play during a game will find players under pressure and the best players keep possession for themselves and for their team when they are under pressure. There are players that when under pressure lose the ball and those that retain the ball.

Anonymous said...

@1:50

You are right in the fact that I would not want the be part of such a team. I certainly would not want to leave an already productive environment/team. I understand your thinking and admit I would likely think in the same fashion.

I just wanted to highlight/expose what the expectations of PDA are (and those players/families looking at it). Collection of stud/top players usually from the surrounding area and surrounding clubs.

Not a place where weaker players are 'developed'.
No commitment to development before or after signing a player. Only a commitment to take a check and run things in an organized and professional manner.

DCShore

Anonymous said...

I want to reaffirm my believe though that the mentality throughout US Soccer (Club, Academy or otherwise) is often short-sighted, wrongly focused and damaging to developed players. How many teams will dump a weaker player simply to take on a stronger player? Year after year? No commitment to development either do to lack of understanding how young athletes develop (mentally and physically) and total focus on winning.

This charge has nothing to do with forming of 'new teams'. Rather it is the lack of commitment organizations show to their developing players. In Europe players are often given into their early 20's time to develop both physically and mentally.


DCShore

Anonymous said...

I agree with the team evaluations. I have

1) FC Stars ECNL
2) Worldclass ECNL
3) PDA ECNL
4) North Rockland (yes, not ECNL but very good - coach is a little nuts)
5) Charlotte ECNL

Anonymous said...

@1:50 - spot on and some of the challenges being faced with ECNL teams that are put together at age 14 with top players from multiple clubs, different training, different playing styles.

Anonymous said...

I'd like to get all Socratic and ask "What is a team?"
I am sure we will see several good answers on this.
And go...

DCShore

Anonymous said...

Charlotte might very well be #1 right now. Definitely better than PDA. But they are not in Region 1. North Rockland is a good team, but they have not separated themselves from the pack (i.e. FC Bucks, Manhattan, PA Strikers, Bethesda, YMS, Chantilly, etc.) I believe ABGC is a notch above North Rockland as well as these other teams.

Anonymous said...

Sorry. I am old school. I guess the ECNL breaks down those regional boundaries.

Anonymous said...

Top 5 region 1.

1 WC
2 FC Stars
3 NEFC
4 PDA
5 ABGC

If it were the east coast, Charlotte and Top Hat knock out bottom 2 and NEFC is 5th.

Rockland Rowdies? Come on man...

Anonymous said...

I don't know about nefc... pda beat them twice already this season. I would put charlotte at number 2(if we're talking about the east coast. Charlotte would be followed by wc, then stars, then pda, then nefc.

Anonymous said...

Youth Soccer Talk Guide – Section 1
Coaches ignore soccer IQ and technical ability = Parent of a small skilled player not getting enough playing time
Fast, strong, and big are what’s necessary in soccer = Parent of a weaker technical player
Academies/ECNL teams (ie PDA) are required if you want to be seen by college coaches, and get the best coaching = Parent of an Academy Player
Go write your big checks we have great coaching and we pay half the price = Parent from a successful town team/parent of a player that left an Academy
It’s freedom of choice, if I want to pay $2,500/per year plus travel, fundraising = No one is forcing me and you can leave = New Academy parent
They chase Got Soccer Points = Team with low Got Soccer Points
We are #1 in the country = Team with a lot of Got Soccer Points
The ECNL has a lot of poor quality teams = Non-ECNL Parent
The ECNL is the only to be if you want a scholarship and D1 = ECNL parent
Paul Gascoigne, George Best, Franz Beckenbauer, Johann Cruyff, etc = The arrogant guy with the British accent on the sidelines
Academies do not develop players, they build by recruiting other team’s best players = Parent of a scorned teammate or player that was cut
Academies develop players but they cut the kids that can’t hack it = Academy Parent
Academies suck by my daughter wants to play there = Player #18-26
Your little Mia = Everyone
The coach has favorites = Parent of a kid who is not one of the coach’s favorites
D1 Coaches Scout 8th Graders = Teams that play college showcases at U-14
D1 Coaches really don’t care for another 2 years = everyone else
A 26 person roster is good for competition and improves a team = Academy Parent
A 26 person roster is a cash grab plain and simple = A town team parent
A 14 team roster means our best kids are always playing = High Level town team

Anonymous said...

Funny :)

DCShore

Anonymous said...

6:36 you forgot... Calling out former coach/team/parents/players wishing for their demise and whatever team we last lost to really weren't that much better than us = Anonymous

Anonymous said...

I think a true "TEAM' is one that has all types of players
1= some big strong players
2= some maybe smaller technical players
3= some players in between
4= some good passers that may lose the ball but create plays
When you look at professional teams that is what they all have.
Man U has all those types and so does Chelsea.
You don't see Barcelona having 9 players as short as Messi. Teams don't have 9 players all with Ranoldo's technical ability and speed.
They all have a mix of players that create a "TEAM".
Coaches in this country fall in love with a type of player to often they should look to find a way to make them play to strengths and away from weaknesses. That is a true coach and a good team.

Anonymous said...

636 - You rock. I would like to add a few more:

- They played kickball. A possession style team that lost to a direct, athletic team.
- Our opponent was soft - I don't know how we lost. An athletic, direct style team that lost to a possession style team.
- There was a personality (or style) conflict with the coach. Sally didn't get enough playing time.
- Getting into showcase events is critical. Family of a player that is not likely to play in college, but who think if college coaches see the player it could be the "big break".
- HS soccer is bad for high-level travel players. Kid did not make varsity.
- HS soccer is important for a well-rounded student-athlete. Kid made varsity.
- We are one or two players away from being a great team. Someone who is incorrect.
- We had about 75% of the possession. Parent describing an evenly played game.

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