Thursday, February 4, 2016

U16G - U16 Girls Youth Soccer

This page is focused on Under 16 girls youth soccer in Region 1.

Teams face increased competition for the top players, (who are increasingly attending college showcases).

More teams consolidate and the best teams--academy soccer, club soccer and high school teams--battle to attract and retain the right player mix.

Stay tuned. This is bound to be good.

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Anonymous said...

Look its not 755 with all the hostility sent out to other posters. Maybe he's unhappy with the USSF but you are the one quashing the discussion with your personal garbage. Congrats to your kid if she was selected to an id or national event. I don't think there is any specific kid's selection except possibly the stars kids being questioned. Seems like the process is up for discussion. You have been successful in nixing any discussion of the selection process and performance of the ynts. Yes I agree that there were 2 FC stars kids out of 18 in Italy with their Coach is suspicious.

Regarding Pugh, not sure what the reference was other than to say that she played in the game referenced might make it more interesting to watch.

Anonymous said...

what exactly is the point of the discussion? To point out FC Stars? Is that it? That sounds personal to me. No mention of their ability. Just that its ALL about the coach. That's personal BS. Those kids work hard. Or the kids from Colorado etc. I mean really, has the OP even seen them play? How is it suspicious? That sounds personal to me. Questioning the mans integrity and honesty. The best part is you read all this stuff from someone who has no clue other than a score on a web page and a list of names and what clubs they play for. And you defend it. smh

Anonymous said...

Just so you know these same points have been made in many other venues without inciting the kind of negative energy you have been sending out into cyberspace. Way too much of a reaction to be coincidence. The selection process has been criticized by many soccer pundits. Its been a topic for discussion on many soccer talk radio shows. recently Phil Shoen had a great show called grassroots something related to development and selection at youth levels and its affect on the national teams.

For example: Parchamn is a respected scout writer for Topdrawer

http://www.topdrawersoccer.com/the91stminute/2015/08/the-great-american-scouting-crisis/

This is a u16 blog and so we are discussing this topic as it applies to u16 players. Why act like its such a crazy subject with posters who have incited interesting dialog as villains? I get it you don't want discussion regarding the selection practices leading to a relative failure of the u16 GNT in Italy. Yes relative failure. 4th place and possibly 5th if they had been in the opposite group, is not up to gYNT standards. And yes...I am sure the USSF would agree

Anonymous said...

No offense to the two or three people posting about this whole Mexico vs us
Soccer stuff. Most of us really don't care out here in cyber world. Most of us really are more concerned with getting our players committed and getting good solid training. Since the board has been relatively quiet it's more noticeable and no one really cares lol

Anonymous said...

So start a more interesting discussion. Your post wasn't really a contribution to anything. If you are concerned about committments do you have anything to offer regarding visits? Any tips on coach emails? Any entertaining stories? Dos and don'ts? Questions you or your child has asked that resulted in useful information? When in the process is the best time to visit? Does it matter if it's a drive able day trip versus an airline ticket? In general has the process gone for those that are committed? How long did you dance before the invitation to the team came? When did you as a parent get involved in the discussion. Was there a negotiation? How has the coaches responded to attempts at negotiation? Take it or leave it or more flexibility? Have the club coaches been helpful in offering advice?advocating for his players? If you are disinterested in the YNT discussion contribute to a new "thread"
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Anonymous said...

Both of these subjects are interesting to me (the USSF discussion as well as the commit/recruiting situation). Please continue the lively banter.


Anonymous said...

@10:00 am - re the composite team question.

From what I have heard, it should be very competitive soccer and training and will likely have same games as rest of ECNL teams in that particular club. But, ask the Director or Asst. Director of Coaching for additional information.

As far as recruiting, because of the unique situation within the various Leagues regarding the mandatory age group teams, it should be fine. But, you may want to get some feedback from college coaches, too. They know the deal and are trying to still do their jobs, too. They will follow the players to complete their roster spots.

If you hear or learn any additional information, please post.

Anonymous said...

Thanks 2:10...hey you should get some sleep :)
I feel like the DOC is just giving me the sales pitch...

Anonymous said...

7:00 Not sure where you are now, but any ECNL team will get looks over most non-ECNL teams. And, the Club you mentioned has a very good reputation as far as player development and transition into college. Good luck.

Anonymous said...

Hey 711 you presume to speak for the masses? Apparently not according to 1150. Why not be positive and add yourself to the dialog instead of beating down those who try and contribute?

The ECNL composite is unquestionably a step down team to both the ECNL teams (u17 and u18/19). However it is a step above NPL level. At NPL level by this age it is highly doubtful that a kid will move up to ECNL. I would expect several, at least, of the 00/99/98 composite kids to move up to the 99/00 ECNL team a year form now. It will serve to "hold" and develop some talent for a year. I see it as an interim team of yes mostly bubble type players for a year. However a significant number of them will bump up back to ECNL for their final year in youth soccer. No I am not a coach or DOC. I am just a parent

Anonymous said...

@7:00, adding to the others who have commented re the composite team, not sure where your daughter is but it may be better for development to be on a composite team and get a lot of playing time and confidence than a roster add to another ECNL team where playing time may be little to none.

And, agree with 9:04, movement to other ECNL teams because of ability to show talent and commitment could occur as well, if that is what she or you want.

Anonymous said...

Does anyone have any insight as to when Clubs will start to hear if they have been chosen as DA? And, will this affect play for 2016-17 season or the following? Lastly, will those Clubs be able to participate in ECNL, too?

Birth year mandates and Development Academies at same time, Soccer Jenga going on.

Anonymous said...

Composite is about money. If the players are the same, whether you call them ECNL or NPL then surely the level is the same? I get the combining of age groups, but if development really was the goal, this would have been done ages ago. One team per age group makes little sense for girls.

I hear development all the time. What development? By this age, and even earlier, its all about recruiting the best players to your club and winning. If these club really created a true dev platform, why would we not see more NPL kids graduating to the ECNL teams? Where is the loyalty? Where is the growth?

The composite team is byproduct of inflated rosters, too many bubble kids being sold an ECNL ticket and now, when reality strikes, an attempt to keep the $$$ in house and offer a clear financially based compromise.

If that works for you, then im sure your DOC will be happy to take your dough. But lets call it what it is.

Anonymous said...

July 1 a rolling admission will start. The online application opened last week. The USSF could care less if the have both. I don't think the ECNL is going to mandate no ECNL for DA clubs, but I am going on that PDA is definitely going for DA and they are leaders in ECNL. The ECNL hasn't issued an official position. I think right now there is something gin the rules or bylaws that says a club has to enter its top team in each age group into the ECNL. That wouldn't necessarily be the case for DA clubs s the ECNL will likely have to change the rule to accommodate bot DA and ECNL teams within the same club. The USSF wont let individual players except for a limited number of "developmental players" (DP) play both.

Anonymous said...

PDA. So many conflicts of interest. Amazed they can keep up :)

Anonymous said...

10:09 - Agreed in part. Development in any sport anymore is a business. Gone are the sandlot sport days.

But ECNL is still being discovered by some families. So, those not developed in-house or by other quality ECNL Clubs, need to learn technical touches and soccer iq then those never exposed to it. And, there are some transfering of players from NPL to ECNL and both.

You do realize that some are not going to be high level athletes in any sports. That doesn't mean one can't enjoy them, get proper training and continue to develop. Developing is a lifetime thing; not limited to youth sports. Some top athletes didn't realize their potential until older. Youth is wasted on the young (and overly critical parents).

Anonymous said...

Hey 10:41, I guess you are feeding into the prior discussions re USSF and the inability to go outside their youth rosters for talent that may be up and coming as development (and biology; getting taller; stronger; smarter, etc.) are ongoing.

I guess that is why other sports have farm systems that are broader and then narrow. Maybe that is what the DA's are supposed to do.

Anonymous said...

1009 you are mistaken

This year is very unusual and following years the issue will be slightly mitigated, but the problem will continue to exist as it does with the DA. Basically the problem is present where there is more than one age group, representing more than one graduating class, on a team.

This year we have the u16 99/00 team, the u17 99/98 team and the u18 98/97 teams all of whom may contain players who were born in the year 1999 and 1998 and will not graduate before June 2017. These players will be available next year as high schoolers to play on the u18/19 99/98 team in 2017. Throughout our children's history we have encountered the stranded senior who was likely born between march and July, but was held back for whatever reason. They have played their youth soccer on teams with kids largely in the grade ahead. They bounce back as senior to play U19 (most tournaments don't have a u18 group only u19) or can play as "trapped seniors" in the ECNL U18 teams. So having an "extra kid" bounce down to an existing rising u18 team is not unusual. However what follows is:

This year, as has been historically the case, the U17 (mostly rising seniors) teams will largely become the rising u18/19 team with the 1 or 2 trapped rising senior 98s joining in from the current u18 team. Those trapped players would normally just be absorbed with little fanfare and all would be the same as has always been.

Except we now have a new and unprecedented, at least on the girls side, situation where this fully developed, existing team of mostly seniors, is the only possible ECNL level refuge for the kids born late year 1999 and coming from the U16 99/00 team. These kids are largely Juniors with 2 more years of youth soccer ahead of them. They have been playing at a "lower" younger level than those with whom they must now compete for coveted spots on the 99/98 ECNL team. They are indeed ECNL level players, but are less developed because of the previous cutoff and lesser number years to develop.

The clubs don't want to toss away half of the u16 99/00 team. These are players with 2 years left of youth soccer. Further, they may actually be among the stronger players, if developed well over the interim on "composite teams", on the following year's ECNL (DA) u18/19 teams. I agree one option would be to pour resources into the u18/19 NPL teams and simply shunt the lower level players down to lesser teams. In fact that's what I thought would happen. However, I don't disagree with the ECNL solution of this "holding" "composite" team of mostly junior displaced 99s for these players who are displaced because of the combining of essentially 1.5 ECNL level teams into 1 team.

Anonymous said...

This problem will continue on a slightly different basis throughout the life of the ECNL and will be exacerbated when the DA comes into play in 2017. I have boys also. This is what happens when you have 2 birth years combined on a single "top level" team. Each year there is an "off year" this year I think the DA is u15/16 99/00. Most teams will field 2-3 00 players as FT players and 2-3 more as DP type players who play a very few games a year with the DA team. They will however, field a U15 '00 "preacademy team" This team will hold and develop most of the clubs top 00s- excepting the 2-3 truly exceptional players who will play on the full DA team with most players a year older. These pre academy teams serve a very similar role as the "composite teams" put into play for the ECNL. Hold and develop players whom you believe have a chance to move up to be part of the top level (ECNL DA) when they are the oldest members of the age range groupings.

Whether they buffed up and marketed the NPL teams to echo the model in the pre-academy teams or created a new beast to admittedly largely aussage the angst of the parents of these younger kids doesn't matter. The intent is to hold and develop these players, many of whom will make up important pieces of the 99/00 ECNL (DA) teams the following year. They will augment this roster with the top NPL players giving them a chance to show where they stack up and possibly some bubble 00s. hence the "composite" potentially 3 birth years on one team.

No I am not a coach or a DOC I just understand the issues.

Anonymous said...

10:17 - thanks. Very interesting stuff. I guess ECNL will change its rules to reflect the changing landscape, too. Why would it want to loose top level Clubs; unless those Clubs will just place the non-DA level teams into an affiliate, substantially similar Club?

Anonymous said...

10:59. I think this solution makes a lot sense. We are finding logically solutions to the mess that the DA created. I'm sure the college recruiters will appreciate it too.

Question: do we know if all/most of the Northeast ECNL teams will be providing composite teams? So far this blog has really only talked about PennFusion having them.

Anonymous said...

11:07 - From what I have been told, each division/conference has to approve them. Not sure if its every team within each division/conference or majority rule. It's a great solution.

Anonymous said...

We were told every club in Northeast Conference will be fielding a composite team.

Anonymous said...

Don't see a downside. Most of these clubs have at least 3 teams per age group to move kids around

Anonymous said...

we heard last night that stars of mass and pda will have composite teams ,not sure if matchfit or fc bucks have decided yet . if you have heard please post here

Anonymous said...

so this is for development then? hahahahahhahah ok?

Anonymous said...

It is to provide high level play for these girls. It is also to provide a recruiting platform. Due to the birth year change, many of the current U16 99's get screwed. The composite teams provide a good solution.

The players and parents want this ... the clubs are providing. Capitalism is working.

The ECNL doesnt need to be the only league taking advantage of composite teams. It could make sense in many leagues.

Anonymous said...

12:35 - are there other leagues? LOL

Anonymous said...

1217 Apparently your reading skills are lacking. Perhaps a remedial class at Huntington learning center?

Anonymous said...

115 good idea. maybe I will try the Harvard "composite" course instead. Its more expensive so it must be better right?

Anonymous said...

@115 Continue confirming your inadequacies while providing us a chuckle at your expense.

Anonymous said...

Yeah we get it 226. Your kid isn't good enough for you to enter into this discussion so you need to fill the void and tear down what you can't have. Transparent in your desperation.

Anonymous said...

234. so I don't agree with you so I cant read and my kid is a bad player. Sounds logical hahahahahahhaha. also, why we? I doubt many share your view on my kid given that they don't know her. Desperate for what exactly, you to keep justifying the need for a composite team? Believe whatever you want to if it makes you happy. I think its all about money and nothing is going to change my mind.

Anonymous said...

Yup you're too stupid to waste time in trying and to change your mind (but this commentary is for others not you) and yes I think your kid probably plays low level travel and you gloat in how much money you save to make you feel better about her absent athletic prowess. If she was playing higher level national league USYSA or top tier (NEFC Quickstrike) NPL the money would be about the same. Even the Strikers are not a bargain anymore. So since you are saying the Composite team will be an expensive wasteland for development after others have well understood the lengthy explanation offered, and believe otherwise, you obviously have some disorder and/or unhappiness that prompts you to disparage other's choices.

Why don't you offer to us the reasons why you believe the model fails to offer development? let me help you along here: Do you take issue with the coaching staffs? Is the model flawed? However, to respond with intelligence is apparently an impossibility for you. FYI your haha... writings do not inspire confidence in your opinions or insight.

Anonymous said...

Its the same people responsible for developing. The same people who go out and try and recruit a better kid to replace what they have. The same ones who have 25+ on the rosters. The same ones who dont tell you the truth about where you actually stand.

Why all of a sudden, should these player develop on the composite team? None of this is really about teaching. Its about winning games and using that to convince the next person to part with more money.

Yu assume that only a jealous parent of a bad kid can see it for what it is. I am neither I am just not convinced that many kids are developing in this environment. Go look at the games. Poor soccer with excessive fouls, bad refs, coaches yelling and screaming from the sidelines. Poor tactical awareness, poor understanding of angles and the game . And this is U16 at the so called top level.

I am far from satisfied with the product and I don't see how a composite team changes anything. In fact, there should be fewer teams, age groups combined and better coaching. Fewer games and more training. However, this wont happen because it threatens peoples wallets. Right now there are enough college teams that the standard really does not have to improve to satisfy that. As long as Jane gets to say I committed to XYZ U then job done.

Im laughing at you because you think insulting me and/or my child is constructive. Its not and the ability of my child has nothing to do with my point. I don't need to be helped along by you. I have my own opinion. This has become big business. Money drives all of it.

Anonymous said...

Oh so you were on the inside and your kid got cut. Or you just happen to wander over to watch a bunch of games to draw these incontrovertible conclusions. Or better yet you are a coach who got fired or was not offered a top spot. None of the u16 teams in the Northeast have 25 on the roster so maybe you are lying. You started with the hostility.

There is no better, more consistent, platform for competition for girls right now than the ECNL. Not perfect, but none better. Will likely change next year with the DA. Many are interested in what that will mean to the girl's landscape. However, this year they offered a composite team to fill a void and you ridicule those who choose to take advantage of this opportunity. That speaks of anger and resentment.

Anonymous said...

...or he's a daddy coach. Kid might even be good enough for ECNL but he can't give up control. Thinks his little team is a great value. Game plan get the ball to my Mia. Resentful that some players leave his team to play in the big bad ECNL. Stalks the ECNL games telling himself how much better his product is.

Anonymous said...

This is why a true championship would be great (top ECNL teams [full rosters; commits and all] vs. USYS and NPL top tier teams]. Why doesn't that happen?

Anonymous said...

@4:44. I hear ya. Or, worse yet, lives through Got Soccer points. Thinks they really have meaning in recruiting and believes its money well spent.

Anonymous said...

Spitting all this vitriol al 3:50 just shows all your insecurities. You know Composite team = more club $$$ but you are too scared to admit it. 3:50 hit the nail on the head, me thinks it hit a big nerve!

Anonymous said...

350 amen brother

But you should know better than to argue with the ecnl soccer gods

Probably the same guy who said his player was emailed by college coaches while she was still on the field lol jk

But seriously you all are so entertaining

Anonymous said...

350 1025 1039 THANK YOU

Finally others speak up I for one am laughing at these bozos. But I guess it's just because my player isn't good enough or I don't know enough about good soccer. It's a good thing I come on here to be educated :-)

Anonymous said...

Since every NPL team is a weak representation of it' s ecnl club, where will the new " composites" fall?

Anonymous said...

10:39 - never saw that post re the player e-mailed by college coaches while she was on the field. I guess it was NAIA or DIII, right?

Otherwise, isn't it against NCAA rules for DI and DII coaches to have direct contact with any player/potential recruit until the summer of her Jr. h.s. yr going into Sr. year, right? What is the rule re contact?

Thanks.

Anonymous said...

www.soccerwire.com/notes/jaime-frias-hired-as-u-s-soccer-development-coach-u-16-gnt-head-coach/

Thought the earlier commentors re YNT U16 team might be interested as an FYI.

Anonymous said...

This has been so entertaining...FYI for you ECNL haters...my Mia does NOT play ECNL and our club is also forming a composite team for the exact good reason that was provided above. More play time and looks as the 99s get screwed in this whole BYC.
Keep insulting each other, it's awesome!!

Anonymous said...

From what I see at our club , they are also forming a composite team and the team's core will be some of the best of the current u-16 team that has to leave because of the age .They will get the best of the 17/18 npl team to go along with them. They will be a strong group. The ecnl composite will do fine and the competition from the likes of the other northeast division teams will be good . Penn fusion , Stars of Mass and Pda doing this as well . What might get hurt is the npl teams as their best players move up to the ecnl structure. The costs between this team and a npl team will be about the same. The girls will be looked at by more colleges and the competition will be better.

Anonymous said...

415 I am not a believer that the current platform offers value for money. I ridicule the clubs and coaches who bend every rule in the book to keep the checks flowing. They make the rules up as they go along. Want to add a team of players for a LI team, but most of the kids are from NJ? no problem practice in NJ. Have to change age groups now so we may lose some kids to weaker ECNL teams etc? No problem create a composite team. At nowhere in the cycle are the coaches called in to question about actually taking players they have had for years and helping them get better. There are kids who have been with teams for a long time now getting shunted to the composite? Why? Because these teams have filled up with the best kids from other areas. Some travelling miles and for what? To win a few more games?

Im called stupid, illiterate a disgruntled daddy coach. My kid has been called a poor player. And why? Because I disagree with the rationale behind a composite team?

You call a simple statement hostile and yet im the only one getting insulted consistently. Not that I really care.

I believe that kids should get value for money. I believe that when you keep talking about the best platform, it should be consistent with its standards. Or do we jut create new teams to accommodate the demand irrespective of quality? If you look at ECNL expansion and the quality of the games now, its hard t argue that the players are really developing.

Anyway, thats my opinion and its what I believe.

Anonymous said...

What do we want as parents. More so than ever this year it appears as if the soccer establishment is further dictating how they will make promises, take your money and then do whatever suits them and their “supporters” If you are aligned/entrenched with a club/team/coach congratulations. If you are a parent of an 11-22 this year that thinks you upgraded by getting an offer for next year from a new club, good luck. In reality, at this age, everyone knows everyone else by now. They know who can play, who is on what College’s radar and how the player will help the coach, not how the coach can help the player. For the most part the players are innocent in all of this, to some extent most parents are as well, they want what is best for their player (and maybe some bragging rights on national signing day). The evil in all of this is the coaches. Whether it is ego, ability, or desire to get to the next level (how many of the ECNL/NPL staffs are also assistant/Head coaches at local colleges) they are the true decision makes. And they all know each other so If you think moving within that level will get you something better be careful that your old coach isn’t friends with your new coach. Hopefully they are rivals and your kid might be the new coaches steal. But for the most part the coaches are talking amongst themselves as players from club “A” show up at club “B”. Sour grapes on my part, not really, I’m just seeing what is happening and felt the need to send a warning. The one thing I have seen is some loyalty by a few coaches who are looking to keep teams together to finish out their club playing days. And I think this is causing additional problems with players who still need playing time in front of colleges. Also, remember the players that commit to your club team in May might get a better offer before leagues/showcases startup in December.

Anonymous said...

I have a quick question and a dilemma . Is it better to be on a composite ecnl 98/99 team at a top club or move to a ecnl 18/19 team that is most likely going to b 3 and 13 and not make the national playoffs. She will most likely get better training at the composite team due to the quality of the system and staff, but where is she better off for college recruiting ?

Anonymous said...

1251 great question. I would base the decision on training and relative distance from your home. I agree with the post above in that most kids are already exposed. people know who they are or better out, from a college standpoint the impact kids have been identified. I have no idea how the composite teams will draw relative to the u18 team. In my experience once committed, a lot of the mid level u18s who have used soccer to get in to schools but don't love it , start to miss games. getting 15 healthy and committed players is hard. I think the composites will actually be better in that regard because of the younger kids, just my view. College coaches are going to come see the players they want to see but the composite sale may be difficult as the perception is that the players are nbot "good "enough for the on age ECNL teams.

Training is always the most important as the kids spend more time doing it than actually paying games.

Good Luck

Anonymous said...

Why not just do what has been happening all along? Leave it up to the parents/kids to decide if that is the path they choose. It's their money. Spend it here or there. No matter what, it's being spent.
If the composite system fits their needs/team works, then great. If it doesn't, move to another place that fits. Isn't that what happens at this level any how?

Anonymous said...

people don't need others to "inform" them of evils ect this far into the game. Therefore my conclusion also is that those disparaging the ECNL and other clubs that are offering "composite" teams have an agenda. This is an opportunity potentially for players and families to take if they so desire. my kid is fortunately an 00, but I am hearing people say they think these teams ECNL or otherwise are good solutions for them. So what's the problem?

Also thanks for the u16 gnt link. Interesting. Wonder if the Stars coach will keep his assistant postion and influence. Will be entertaining to watch that play out.

Anonymous said...

To all the Composite experts :

What other teams are you going to play?
Will there be the same travel requirements as other ECNL teams ?
Separate practices ?
00s,99s and 98s all on one team ?

Thank you



Anonymous said...

259

Is your kid on the team?

Anonymous said...

Which team? Which team is yours on?

Anonymous said...

It is my understanding that the composite teams will be labeled as ECNL teams and travel with the other ECNL teams. I don't know all of the birthdates for sure, but the reason they are calling it composite is because it has several birthdates included. It will be a separate team with separate practices.

Anonymous said...

352 .. so does every ECNL team have a composite now?

Anonymous said...

349 The U16 NT

Anonymous said...

Congrats 405

Anonymous said...

It's up to individual clubs to decide whether or not to field a composite team, but we've been told every club in the Northeast Division will be doing so. ECNL is creating a new division for the composite teams, but one would expect that their schedule will mirror the other ECNL teams. There will be 2 national ECNL events and no national championship for the composite teams.

Anonymous said...

http://espn.go.com/espnw/sports/article/15509558/the-impact-early-recruiting-players-coaches?ex_cid=espnW_newsletter_05122016_1

An interesting article re early recruiting and the pressure it puts on the kids (this is a lacrosse article from ESPN W magazine, but the pressure is across the board in all sports). Crazy stuff.

Good luck to all our girls.

Anonymous said...

1009 Creating a composite will span the range of a new team with 98/99/00 players and rebranding the existing NPL team. Seems like a pretty watered down product.

Anonymous said...

425 was a reply to a question, not a statement. I don't believe any kid is in the YNTs until they are announced. I don't believe in NT Pools either ie when parents say "my kid is in the U16 pool" . Translation- she went to a camp once, but not the most recent ones

Anonymous said...

8:18 - going to a NT camp is still pretty good and an opportunity to get great training. Some of the current players were not discovered until college.

Anonymous said...

Does anyone have insight to what the competitive U16 NON-ECNL teams in the area are doing with tryouts? (PA Strikers, Copa Academy, Hotspurs, Patriot FC, etc.)

Anonymous said...

2:20 - i rec'd info from some and my suggestion would be to contact them directly for information. They are more than happy to share. And, like all other clubs, always looking for players that can help.

Anonymous said...

215 I agree. Its a great achievement. Many on here try and makes it sound like it all politics and not hard work. In spite of all the rhetoric, most of the best players in our area have been at some point or another.

Anonymous said...

Soccer is an opinion. Don't forget!!

Anonymous said...

2:42 - Agree with 2:15. US Soccer nat'l training camps; id2; PDP; Region provide fantastic training.

ANY high level add'l training is a wonderful opportunity for any of the girls. It's always good to get out there with other coaches and experience their styles of play. ALWAYS room for improvement.

Anonymous said...

Strikers have ongoing tryouts just email or call them from the contacts on the website

Anonymous said...

2:50 - not sure what that means an opinion.

In my house, soccer is an option; an enrichment activity; like music; theatre; art; other sports. Education first, then the rest. If the grades suffer, the rest of it will go away - my rules and they know and buy into it as well.

So, the juggling continues; however, it is THEIR drive in all of it that moves it along. Not my rodeo; theirs.

Anonymous said...

8:16 Our club is telling us it's just going to be a 98/99 team, but certainly there is nothing stopping them from adding 00's. You must have an ECNL player, from the NPL point of view it's an opportunity for some players to play under an ECNL badge, depending on who shows up at tryouts. And it can't be any more watered down than NPL is now, which is where some current ECNL players would end up without the composite team. For the clubs it's a way to argue that all of the existing ECNL players continue to play ECNL, but I do agree with others that it's a bit of a money grab.

Anonymous said...

6:36 and others. Soccer is a business and no one works for free. So spending money is a given.

But, the way the soccer world is evolving it appears that most of the events for ECNL and NPL garner more college coaches than some of the national USYS events. We were told to move from USYS to ECNL, by high level college coaches. And, also told that ECNL and NPL are the desired soccer platforms by high level college coaches.

Some NPL teams are very good; some aren't as good. Same with ECNL teams, USYS, etc. And, the coaches seem to understand this.

It's just you can attend a USYS national event (30 coaches) and then in a few weeks go to an ECNL/NPL event, (300+ coaches). So, spend your money where you will get more bang for your buck. And, the composite teams in ECNL will be the way to go.

Anonymous said...

In a 1-2 week period in December you have an ECNL Showcase and NPL Showcase, and the Disney Showcase. Which one are coaches most interested in attending?

Anonymous said...

8:24 - that is a good point, but I think that the coaches win in that scenerio as those games are set up for the coaches to get to see all leagues. It's an ideal situation for recruiting.

But, like 7:14 mentioned, our family had the same experience. Last year, USYS Championships/Champion's League, not very many coaches. We moved to ECNL. At ECNL practices - out of state college coaches come in to watch. Coaches are at some of the games, too.

We never experienced that in USYS. To me, the move was money well spent. But, each family has to be happy with its decision whatever it may be.

Anonymous said...

If your 99 hasn't committed yet, you are doomed. Play for PDA and you will get the best offers. just ask the parents. Free rides all around!

Anonymous said...

10:33 - and when does Santa stop by with his unicorn?

Anonymous said...

10:33 I think the history would show, that coaches will go to Disney because they get see a large number of kids and hopefully find a few that they are looking for at D1,2, and 3. Coaches will go to Sanford because they know what they are going to see at the ECNL level, and no one believes a NPL only tournament doesn't have very much to offer regardless of its PDA or anyone else.

Anonymous said...

Any updates on today's U16 state cup results?

Anonymous said...

Freehold 1-0
Toms river in pks

Anonymous said...

All results are posted.
Of course...Strikers 3-1 win

Anonymous said...

9:17 AM

Whatever they are doing it seems to work for the Strikers. It will be interesting to see if they have any players move on to different teams or stay pat through the next 2 years.

Anonymous said...

124 working in what way?

Anonymous said...

9:17 - I wouldn't say of course, Strikers almost lost to Vincent United and Patriots getting to the finals. Their style of play is passe'. I know kids that turned down the opportunity to play for them when they were free. Didn't they lose to a PDA roster at Jeff Cup where PDA didn't play all their studs. They didn't win a game at Jeff Cup against ECNL teams (and they were not fully rostered ECNL teams). Strikers, on the other hand, was.

I'm not trying to bust on Strikers, but they are not a pinnacle USYS team any more. My recollection is they got beat at PDA tourney last year by an NPL team, NEFC. Pretty sure it was like 5-0 or something like that. Not even in the game. The leagues are all over the place.

Anonymous said...

Agree - 5:32. Not sure what is working for Strikers (@1:24). They are in a watered down league. Most of the better players at least those in this region have moved to NPL or ECNL. And, as 5:32 noted, they couid not come away with a win in Jeff Cup (against watered down ECNL rosters) and in PDA tourney last year NPL teams beat them.

Anonymous said...

Hahaha. One of those teams that love their meaningless Got Soccer points.

Anonymous said...

5:41 I don't think Strikers came away even with a draw at Jeff Cup against 3 ECNL teams that didn't play all their commits or studs. I think they had 3 losses.

Crazy stuff this soccer anymore.

Anonymous said...

Agree with most of the assessment above on the strikers except players are not leaving any good national league team to go to npl unless it was a team like nefc or quickstrike. Sorry but npl is not looked upon favorably by most.

I don't know how exactly the strikers program is working when they've barely been able to win many of their games.

Anonymous said...

6:10 oh agreed. I was speaking about kids that moved to better npl teams like NEFC or Quickstrike or ECNL teams.

Anonymous said...

Im not busting on QS (well maybe I am) but tbh they are overrated. When every game vs ECNL is treated like the superbowl and you tout your commits to anyone that will listen then something is not right. QS are a decent team that would be middle of the pack in the ECNL. No more.

Anonymous said...

7:02 - well; maybe upper middle of the pack. They are very good, but you are right they have not played any full ECNL rosters, yet. In most non-ECNL tourneys, all the ECNL teams take out their commits or move other players to composite teams (CASL, Jeff Cup, etc.).

I know with my daughter's ECNL team, they don't even practice with missing pieces prior to the non-ECNL events (CASL, Jeff Cup, etc.). So there is a learning curve in game situations when kids are plugged in and playing different positions, etc. This way when they go to their ECNL events immediately after (Sanford, San Diego), they don't miss a beat.



Anonymous said...

QS managed 6-7 wins this year over ECNL teams. Thats more than many of the ECNL teams, to be fair they would probably play pretty competitive. Hard to deny their ability considering some better colleges feel the same, tournaments have also felt pretty highly about them. They appear to play their best against the better teams. That signifies a quality team. No need to knock them, quite a few could be on the local ECNL rosters if the chose to.

Anonymous said...

7:35 not knocking them at all, but they have never played full ECNL rosters. That's all.

You can't compare apples to apples unless they are apples. But, they are very good.

And, as far as some of their college commits, agreed. Good choices. And, agreed again, a few could be on local ECNL roster.

I would love to see full ECNL rosters play non ECNL teams. Then, it would put this to rest. I guess it's designed by the Leagues so they don't, though.

Anonymous said...

Not sure which games you can comment about QS but I do know they played Alby and FC Virginia with full rosters. Just ask the Alby team as both teams know each other pretty well. Hard to ever say when any team is at full roster. Pretty sure QS would happily play any team that is presented to them, they are far from perfect but not intimidated by ECNL teams. I can think of a few ECNL who would prefer not to play them.

Anonymous said...

I know in CASL most of the ENCL teams were not fully rostered.

As far as Jeff Cup in QS bracket, PDA, Richmond were not fully rostered. FC Virginia didn't play all commits (what I was told). They have a huge roster (they sent kids to Disney and Sanford...two different rosters).
Alby (sorry I didn't know they played them) maybe they had everyone.

But, did QS play PDA, South Cal, FC Mass, Eclipse, Michigan Hawks?

I am not saying they are scared. Geez, I hope kids at this age at this level don't get scared about teams. But, I think it would be great to see them play top teams; fully rostered.

I don't consider Alby a top team (a very good team, but not a top).

Anonymous said...

8:21 - I am not knocking QS they are very good.

And, not sure how NPL does it, but in ECNL, if you want to tell who is or isn't playing, check the rosters against the kids on the field or, if it's a showcase (CASL, Jeff Cup, etc.), get a team brochure from opponent which will note which kids aren't playing/traveling as they are commits or playing for another age group/composite team for that specific tourney.

I keep coming back to this; let's have a true playoff with top ECNL teams (fully rostered) playing top NPL and USYS teams (all fully rostered). That would put these debates to rest once and for all.

Anonymous said...

8:38 good point, i don't think QS played Eclipse, So Cal or Hawks but that makes them one of many who have not. Does not look like Alby, East Meadow, Matchfit, FC Bucks, Penn Fusion or Continental played them either. See it't a well know fact that with the exception of league ECNL never puts teams against higher ranked teams for showcases. Do you think these teams would fair better than QS? Something to consider, maybe maybe not.

Anonymous said...

I don't think that is true about the showcase (which showcase are you speaking; Sanford; Houston; San Diego or CASL Jeff Cup). League Showcases they teams play higher ranked teams. Can't answer that for non-ECNL showcases. I guess they are all based on records at the time of applications.

Has QS played FC Stars or PDA, fully rostered? And, yes, those other teams have not met either, yet, but they could.

Not sure about your hypothetical, but that is exactly what would be great to happen. Top non-ECNL teams vs. top ECNL teams (all fully rostered). Then, the League debate would go away.

Anonymous said...

Looks like FC Stars has played PDA (0-0) and So Cal at San Diego Showcase (0-0) and Hawks in Sanford Showcase (2-0). And, lost to Real Sol Cal (2-0) at San Diego.

Anonymous said...

Isn't it funny how ECNL teams that loose or fail to destroy a USYS team is one that isnt fully rostered. I've been at these games and I can tell you that it's a bunch of BS. Jeff Cup playing time may have been distributed differently but the good committed players were present and did play. I just watched PDA play an ECNL game over the weekend and it looked like the same team I saw play at Jeff Cup. people reading this blog should Consider your sources and don't fall for the propoganda and excuses. There are plenty of facts missing from this gossip column. When your spinning a fictional story, if you get enough people to believe it, it will eventually become a fact.

Anonymous said...

Well, let's just do what is being suggested. The non-ECNL teams playing the fully rostered ECNL teams and have it decided that way. I would love to see it.

I don't know which team you watched, but I know that girls on ECNL teams that were committed did not play on some of their teams for Jeff Cup. And yes there were changes in the line ups because kids were missing. I know teams where most of the commits for Jeff Cup didn't even travel (I'm talking field players).

I heard that the PDA committed kids did cross bar games to see who was traveling/playing at Jeff Cup. I heard it right from the parents/players, themselves. And, when I ran into them at Jeff Cup, they didn't have all their commits.

Further, I know this for CASL too (they and other ECNL teams had kids playing on the CASL suggested ECNL composite teams). My kid played on one of the composite teams.

So, unlike yourself, I do have facts; first hand knowledge, in fact. So no spiinning here. However, you can believe whatever you want to believe. I'm not trying to make believers or disbelievers. I am agreeing that in order to put an end to the League debate, a true championship tournament should occur. All teams fully rostered.

That will end it.

Anonymous said...

Oh what about NPL teams that "destroy" USYS teams? Didn't that happen at PDA tourney last year with NEFC (NPL) vs. Strikers? 5-0 wasn't it?

Anonymous said...

Strikers is stil an excellent team. They did lose key pieces to Penn Fusion, but not because the players thought ECNL was better.In fact one was already committed. Some of the kids who went from Strikers to ECNL were actually cut from the strikers which is telling in and of itself. Their style of play was mentioned. Their center attacking players are the weak link at this point and their wingers and outside backs are the focus. They attack from the flanks and their wingers either get a shot themselves or cross it in. Their strikers are not their strongest players. One came from Continental ECNL and was not their premier forward. Center backs clear it forward with little intent but the striker players are very good at winning 50-50s. GK punt it pretty much every time. They would be competitive in the ECNL but didn't beat PDA in Jeff cup. That PDA roster at least included their Duke commit. Not sure if it was completely full or not. I know PDA rotate players and am not sure who rotated out for that one. Penn Fusion definitely does not bring a full rosters to non ECNL events to make sure players get exposure. Some kids don't get to play in all three games when they travel to ECNL events because of a large roster. But that also is not unusual. All teams with over 18 kids are at risk for sitting kids out if every player is healthy. That can be a problem if your kid is at the bottom of the roster. Not all kids can manage that blow and it can be a self fulfilling prophecy.

Anonymous said...

I don't think anyone with a brain or common sence is saying USYS is better than ECNL. The top ECNL teams were top USYS teams before they joined ECNL aND still wold be top teams if they left. ECNL needs them more than they need ECNL. The big disagreement is with the ECNL snobs,on this board, who think that their Leage gives them the right to cut on other quality teams. In Region 1, PDA for example would succeed with or without ECNL, just like NEFC.No argument there. Remove a couple of the Heavyweights and your league is no better than anyone else's. Sorry to burst your bubble. In my opinion, with the resources, number of players, reputation, etc No one in the East should be able to give PDA a game but that's not the case. Their C team should be better than most. Just my opinion of course! PDA and others had tremendous success long before ECNL was a thought.ECNL has absolutely nothing to do with it.

Anonymous said...

Can't separate the league from the teams like you are trying to do. It happens at this very (fleeting) moment in time, that the best teams in the country are now in the ECNL (remember NEFC will be in next year). Most, but clearly not all of the best players are also. Yes as in any league including the national league which this year included Maryland United (itself a weak ECNL team) B team and again Solar Chelseas B team, there are some weak teams. But all teams in the northeast with the exception of FSA would compete well in the national league. All of those teams in the ECNL could win on any given day and the games are very close. ECNL provides the most consistent high level competition in the northeast No argument. yes Strikers and Quickstrike could compete, but who else do they play? No consistent competition is here for them.

In CA the best USYSA national league players are discovery player in the ECNL. SE one of the u16gnt players who recently played in Italy is an example. Obviously ECNL is offering something that USYSA isn't even in Socal. The league administration themselves have done an excellent job with their national events. They are more organized than any event that my child has ever attended.

Sorry its just a fact. the ECNL have been successful in putting together a league that provides the most consistent, high level, competition in the country- just ask the college coaches.

Of course game changer will barely brush the 2018s when the DA becomes live.

Anonymous said...

@5:37 - Yes, PDA did play their young lady that is a Duke commit at Jeff Cup (who committed prior to moving to PDA). They didn't bring several others who normally play along with her in ECNL games which include Auburn, Rutgers, Syracuse, Georgia, etc.

And, 6:21 - true re PDA having success long before ECNL was around. It's the development system of some of the Clubs that became ECNL clubs. They do it right. Proof is the amount of kids that played in the NCAA's this year from local ECNL club teams in all divisions.

Finally, 8:07 - well put. DA will change all of this. But for now, like it or not, ECNL is the place to be as, you noted. But, it's not for everyone.

Anonymous said...

@5:37 - Thy protests too much, me thinks. LOL
Strikers not only lost to PDA in Jeff Cup, but every other ECNL team they played at Jeff Cup (and some not fully rostered). And, maybe PDA did bring and play their young lady who is a Duke commit (before she transferred to PDA, I believe, too), but they didn't bring or play some of their Rutgers' commits, or their Syracuse and Auburn commits. It's nice to have depth.

Anonymous said...

It would be nice to see more female refs in the games, too.
What is the percentage of female vs. male refs if anyone knows?
In particular in the ECNL, a league that promotes women in sports, it would be nice to see it extended to the officiating as well just so the girls can see women at all levels helping to advance their sport and the soccer industry.

Anonymous said...

its funny how people site commits as evidence that the players are good. At PDA the team is the star. I don't believe the would tell you any different . Yes thy have a bunch of good players, but their strength is depth. Winning at this level is mostly about depth. I can count the truly outstanding U16s I have seen in this region on the fingers of one hand. I response to PDA do it right, I would say that depends on what side of the fence you fall. I don't see winning games as reflective of that much really. if a club with fewer resources and a thinner roster is competitive, giving NPL players a chance to play in the ECNL as they improve, developing the top end players it has, that is success. Is it success to recruit a lot of players, have big rosters, leave kids home from events and win a lot of events? you decide. Its a different type of success. I guess you pick whichever suits your purpose.

QS are a decent team. would be competitive in the NE Conference. If I had to rank the teams

Tier 1 - PDA, Stars
Tier 2 - Mfit, WC,P Fusion,
Tier 3 - Fc Bucks,Continental Delco, EM, Alby
Tier 4 - FSA,Breakers CFC


Maybe Alby T2, not sure. would put QS right in the middle of the pack

Anonymous said...

9:43 - Well done. I think the tipping of the hat to commits was mentioned as evidence of kids that didn't attend certain ECNL/non-ECNL events because that is how it was handled by some clubs. And, you hit it spot on including your assessment of clubs/teams.

Anonymous said...

9:43 Like you view on the measure of successful program. The talk of full rosters is pathetic. Someone has found it important to downplay the success of teams like QS to somehow increase the importance of their club or league. To be fair to QS you can't overlook the fact that the not only beat Alby and FC Virginia but they beat both of them twice. These 2 teams had their regular rosters for Jeff Cup. QS forward going to ND scored the 5 goals and the center defender going to UConn was in place for both shutouts. FC Virginia was the ECNL division winner and Alby is currently in 2nd place. Every negative comment at QS does nothing but devalue the level of play in the ECNL.

Anonymous said...

10:13 - I have read the discussions differently, I guess. I see QS being hailed for its success. And while FC VA and Alby are at the various spots you noted in their respective divisions, I would look at the Championship Qualifier and see who QS has played as noted in the top if it.

If you are going to take QS which is a top level NPL team, then you have to compare it to a top level ECNL team, too. Isn't that how it should work?

And, of course, all teams fully rostered so there are no excuses. Have they played NEFC so it would be apples v. apples? Shame they aren't in the same bracket for the upcoming PDA tourney? Would be a good match to watch.

Anonymous said...

being honest, Alby conference is weak. The can beat up on the bottom 3 teams. The win vs Stars is a quality win, but the 5-0 loss puts it in perspective, makes it appear like a one off on a bad day for Stars. Conceding 23 goals is a lot especially when you have a NT player at the back. 2nd place is a bit meaningless as im not sure they would be any better than 4th on the other side of the Conf. There are 2 types of effective teams in the NE conf. The organized, well coached , tactically prepared teams with a lot of good players - PDA, Stars. These teams do benefit from huge geographic recruiting pools. The teams with a real diff maker- WC? The rest are varying but weaker combinations of the above. It sounds like QS have a several good kids, not sure how their top players compare to the top kids on other teams at similar positions. results suggest they are a good team.

Anonymous said...

All of the talk about USYS/ECNL/NPL is pretty much hollow bragging rights. When it comes down to it all roads have the ability to get a player to where they want to be if they put in the work on any of those teams. with the exception of politics. I only know of what I hear about Strikers, good team, lower cost than ECNL (may change?) and connections to schools based on their manager/coach/alumni. ECNL is arguably the top tier for girls soccer with many tiers once you look at individual clubs and teams. NPL is equivalent to the good independents, and by independents I mean the top Got soccer listed teams who are committed to chasing points in tournaments. Strikers/ECNL/NPL attend events where they will be seen by more D1 coaches, for the area ECNL/NPL teams there are local events for local schools. My daughter plays ECNL and between practice, games and events she will be seen by local colleges a few times a week (on average you may have a local college send someone to a practice) Plus many if not all of the ECNL teams have college coaches on staff. Level of play in ENCL is high and the local teams are not at the top it is almost as if all 3 PA teams pull from the same pool for players and coaches to support the ECNL soccer economy and they will take a Striker player with the promise of getting them better looks at better schools. My opinion is buyer beware, know who your coach is (and what they are) and know who the DOC is aligned with. Sometimes the independents may be better if you are looking local, more of a boutique feel to the team and sometimes more loyalty to the players.

Anonymous said...

All of it is what you want to do with your money and where your kid wants to play (or can play). If your kid is good, no matter where she plays (ECNL, NPL, USYS/independent), she will be found. Now, will Rutgers or Penn State or UVA come calling if not in ECNL, probably not, but not a definite. Go to a camp, then. And, if she has the NT tag, she can go anywhere.

Anonymous said...

Rutgers? stop. Local school. they recruit this area very aggressively at ALL levels.

Anonymous said...

While the PA 3 ECNL teams are not at the top of their respective divisions, currently, they still get plenty of coaches that come to watch. And, isn't that what it is all about?

The coaches know that it's not about the wins/losses (although most of the games are pretty tight). It's about the athlete/player. They think big picture not club picture. How does this player fit into my program? What impact will she have? And, is she a good teammate? Will she meet her GPA to stay eligible for play? What else does she bring to the table (international experience, etc.)?

This is what they look at so we have been told. Not wins/losses. And certainly not Got Soccer points.

Irrespective of all of this, it is up to the kids to get it done on the field, off the field and in the classroom; now and in college.

Anonymous said...

11:55 - really at all levels?? Maybe Rutgers/Camden.

Anonymous said...

Best player at PF cut by Strikers. Starting Centermid for CFC cut by Strikers. What does that tell you?

Anonymous said...

Best players? Really? One of the best on both squads.

Anonymous said...

12:17 PM

Strikers don't cut, they sit. Girls cut themselves or read into the situation and move on. Also, there are a lot of connections in the ECNL arena and alignments to get girls to the colleges they want to play at. I would love to see a tounament that had PF, CFC, FCB and Strikers play a round robin. also have the coaches play all girls evenly. Invite local colleges and see who walks out with an offer. Again it would be based on the schools needs but you would have a pretty even selection across all 4 teams.

Anonymous said...

I heard Strikers send e-mails. What I have heard.
Interesting proposal. Sounds very similar to what has been proposed already with top ECNL, NPL and USYS teams playing in a tourney (full rosters). So, you could invite PDA, WC, Patriots, Penn Legacy, LDC and Match fit as well.
Why just local colleges?

Anonymous said...

yes 1211

Rutgers are looking at all levels from established NT players to hidden gems locally. The don't have to give a lot to NJ talent as they are in state and they have unearthed many good players over the years. They are not a top national destination for elite players like Duke, Stanford or the Ivys (smart kids who can play a bit) but they did well last year and have momentum. They have a good coaching staff and they are well prepared. So yes, they recruit NPL, ECNL and all levels they can. GO look at Rutgers 2016 2017 or 2018 commits. Good players, a few gems but not comparable to any real national power in any way shape or form.

Anonymous said...

The PF kid was tiny at U13 and left to get more play time- simple. Now taller than average and definitely an impact player. PF has several excellent players; there definitely could be debate as to which player is "the best". All PA ECNL teams have excellent players. The Strikers seem to have fewer true top players. One winger and a couple defenders do standout. However, they have more consistency through the roster than do the PA ECNL teams. Dilution at its finest.

Anonymous said...

Look at the large geographic area it takes to make an ECNL team an ECNL team. Would families (yes, player and parents included) travel from, I don't know, say Mechanicsburg, PA to PF (2hrs one way) if PF? Strikers aside, which draws from a large area, including Mechanicsburg, based on its singular model, most non-ECNL teams have a much smaller geographic footprint than ECNL teams, but are not that much different when it comes to a talent per square mile rating. It would be easy to have the best team in the country if you were able to recruit players from all over the country.

Anonymous said...

153

what are you saying?

Anonymous said...

1:53 PM
Due to the Geography clubs are fighting as much for players as for money (hence the composite teams). I know of quite a few players who have played for at least 2 ECNL teams in the past 2-3 years and with the birth year change are either moving to a 3rd or to an independent. Girls are traveling up from Delaware and from the Lancaster area for the ECNL teams.

Anonymous said...

12:49 - I hear ya re Rutgers. Oh, agree; good all around (program, coaching, school, etc.). Since it has been doing well in the NCAA's I figured the interest in attending would increase too. After reviewing the lists re recruits, it looks like PDA is the feeder club (and completely understand). Also, it appears that they recruit alot from the soccer academy in MN as well as Pittsburgh. Not many others though.

Anonymous said...

2:05 - Delaware, Lancaster, that's crazy.

I know kids coming in from VA; MD (outside of Wash - Bethesda area); Buffalo region; and more. It's crazy the amount of hours people log to get the kids to a soccer practice. Heck, my kid was "asked" to check out some teams in DC area, MASS area, NY (eastern and western), NJ (to name a few). It's just insane.

Anonymous said...

People lose all perspective around youth sports.

Anonymous said...

2:02 – Below are the hometowns of the PF ’99 ECNL team. Of course this team is very good and has a large number of high caliber college commits because it is essentially a regional all-star team. It’s not like all of these girls came up through the WCUSC organization. They were recruited and/or drawn in by the lure of the ECNL system. At least three of the players are former HMMS players. HMMS consistently produces good, but maybe not outstanding teams. However, most HMMS players live within a 30 minute or less commute to practice. To obtain the high quality of a team that PF has requires PF drawing in players from up to 2 hours away from its practice facility. If PF played HMMS, PF would most likely win, but I doubt it would be a blowout. In fact, YSR predicts only a one goal differential in such a match-up.

Bryn Mawr, PA
Middletown, DE
West Chester, PA
Bear, DE
Blakeslee, PA
Lititz, PA
Lancaster, PA
West Chester, PA
Forest Hill, MD
Mechanicsburg, PA
Mechanicsburg, PA
Drexel Hill, PA
Voorhees, NJ
Exton, PA
Manheim, PA
Orefield, PA
Downingtown, PA
Wilmington, DE
Lincoln University, PA
Camp Hill, PA

Anonymous said...

Interesting 308. They have one diff maker imo. the rest are very solid.

Anonymous said...

Well, 3:20, there are a couple. Most are same from last year; two wins.

Then came new adds and they are doing better (again regional team/odp kids that have played together already). And, in a month, this will be a very different team in a month as many on this team are '99s and will move up.

In a year, this team has improved considerably. Next year, it will be even more improved.

It comes with playing together and developing chemistry. That only happens when kids play together for a period of time and they develop each other.

Anonymous said...

@2:42 - you are so right!!! Talk about living through your kids.

Anonymous said...

3:47 you are correct.

That is what makes a good team and teammate being able to bring out the best in each other. Playing for teammates not themselves. If you play for yourself, you loose as a team. If you play as a team you win all around (even if the score doesn't reflect it).

Respect of your players and teammates is earned, but can be easily lost. It is a very specific dynamic the success of a team.

Anonymous said...

The biggest improvement is probably the 3 inches and 20 pounds in one of the kids who has been there a while. However they did add her sister a defensive player who was the only Striker to leave not because of playing time that I know of. They also added the Pocono ODP kid who has appeared to have helped them. So these three kids who at least from the stats sheet and Striker history seem to be at least some of the key pieces. All come from 2 hours or more away.

Anonymous said...

Yep, that is why sometimes very good players are asked to leave a team to make it more successful. A selfish teammate can be very polarizing.

Anonymous said...

That is where we differ. I see improvement in several areas and it isn't just in the middle (which is where many turn overs keep occuring).

Anonymous said...

Like other teams, there are a bunch of kids contributing and some of them don't have stats.

Anonymous said...

Lol 405
You have an outside kid on PF who doesn't score? Why am I even asking...Those midfielders and forwards are really well known because they do ODP, NTC, and have been on Strikers and central PA teams. They are good I think the new kids and the other kid all played on the region 1 team in Florida at one point- got to be some validation there. Someone already made the point that it helped with he team chemistry.

What team are you even talking about for next year? Seems like most of the ECNL teams will be devastated by the age change. The 00 teams for some of the clubs will be mostly u15 players since a lot of top teams are heavy with older players. The 99s ECNL are mostly SOoL a few of the best will see time with the 98/99 teams next year but most will not. Some of the 99s and U16 00s are leaving the ECNL all together. Composite/ renamed B team? Strikers will play 99 u18 USYSA and make a few key adds to beef up for older competition. PA Classics 00 look really good because they have the USSF scout as a coach and they are dangling DA for next year. All kinds of chaos right now.

Anonymous said...

Seriously, if anyone didn't think the ECNL people were crazy just read these posts with the Penn fusion parents attacking each other's kids. I will sit back and enjoy the show while I eat my popcorn. Are any of the mom's hot? Might make it more entertaining.

Anonymous said...

I think he 153 is saying that the ECNL teams benefit from drawing payers from wider areas. I agree, but in PA there are too many ECNL teams and then add Strikers which is ECNL-equivalent and you have dilution. Take the top 5 kids from these 4 teams and then that team would readily compete with PDA. In fact I am surprised that PDA doesn't totally beat up on the PA ECNL teams by wider margins.

Anonymous said...

4:36 - Agreed. I am not sure they attacking each other's kids. But I am reading it differently. I am sitting here thinking...don't they get that this other person is talking about kids that don't play offense? Da. Silly people who are too wrapped up in their own kids. Don't see the forest through the trees. Hahahaha.

Anonymous said...

436 no way these are pf parents most likely they are anti ecnl or anti pf people.

Anonymous said...

Most likely PA Classics parents actually I think some of the kids played there in the past. Anyway, I think they should get rid of the public stats. Some of the clubs/teams have already. I think they are divisive.

Anonymous said...

4:56 - yep, a team is made up of offense and defense. That one parent is only wrapped up about offense and stats not about the things stats don't capture. Well, I am not a parent that focuses on stats, but one that wants ALL kids to succeed.

Anonymous said...

Popcorn nothing. This needs a Jersey Mike's Sub.

Anonymous said...

@ 4:25 - wow! I was wondering what non-ECNL/NPL teams were going to do. True this is all very chaotic.

Anonymous said...

Saw the post about teams not publicly posting stats, that is a very god idea. I know some teams use them to have players focus on certain players. Do college coaches give them any credence when scouting? Why else have them? I get the cards and times a player has appeared in games. But why the others?

Anonymous said...

Oh @4:01 - my post is directly under yours. It was not directed to your post.

It was a general reminder to all parents/kids as this is try-out season and people want to go to successful teams, teams that are developing and teams with not too much drama. There is always playing time drama, I have found, but other stuff. This is the try-out reminder, be nice to each other. You may be teammates for a long time and become good friends. And, that no one is above the Club/team. Even a Mia2 (as I have seen posted). LOL

Good luck out there.

Anonymous said...

I actually have the post directly above the 4:01 post too. They were supposed to be together. Same message to all the kids moving to other teams; trying out, whatever, remember your Team!

Anonymous said...

529 ..

do you really think that not posting stats changes anything? Impact kids are well known to all. These points are all distractions from the reality. It is an individual pursuit wrapped in a team game.Coaches come to see players and not teams. Rival PDA? World Class have rivalled PDA with players that many consider weak.

Wake up people.

Anonymous said...

So true. The girls may be friends but doesn't it come down to the parents? At my NPL club, parents don't even talk to each other anymore . Parents sneaking their kids to ID camps and other parents mad they did not tell them about it. Then we have players tweeting out their verbal commits ( Rutgers, what a surprise, wink, wink) . And the coach is so hounded by the parents of the players with no options....so sad what this beautiful game has become. Weak players committed and talented players ignored, just because certain parents played the game and drank the kook aid.

Anonymous said...

I think the stats are problematic. Yes everyone knows who the impact players are but the stats can be kind of like salt in the wounds and disrupt chemistry. It's kind of in your face. However the college coaches do look at them. I had an older kid who had the coach email her in congratulations after a productive weekend. Yes world class actually probably has the best attacking player in the northeast. Their supporting cast is more than adequate and getting better.

Anonymous said...

How does one play the game?

Anonymous said...

11:10 - not sure but maybe the poster meant played the politics game.

Anonymous said...

11:03 - my gosh. That is awful. Plenty of soccer to play out there.

Anonymous said...

Could someone please explain "politics" in getting the kids ahead? Is it the manager's kid getting the nod to id2 when she's questionable? No politics make a college coach risk his reputation or spend his money irresponsibly. Does anyone really think that parental money had anything to do with it? Aren't we really just talking about human subjective opinions on players? Might it shock someone if a coach's
opinion on their child differed from his own? Soccer is largely subjective although becoming less so as services are now available to count and map passes. Count tackles and goal creating etc. But at the youth level these tools don't exist so we are reliant mostly on our memories...flawed at that.

Anonymous said...

If a club coach gives a college coach a bad assessment on a kid the college coach will stop asking him his opinion. It is too important to the college coach who sees recruitment as half of his job. Sometimes teams seem to have a "pipeline" to certain schools. This isn't politics its a college coach's recognition that a certain club prepares its players well to play his style and he trusts the club coach/DOC to steer the right kids his way and vice versa.

Anonymous said...

6:30 AM
If you do not think there are girls on teams because of politics (parental connections to the coach or parental benefits to the coach) you are a bit naive. At this level a coach needs to cater to the club first by putting a team on the field that can compete while at the same time keeping certain "boosters" happy. Whether that booster is the Manager/treasurer or the field rep (and by field rep I mean the parent handing out player sheets at games). There also seems to be agreements made with core players moving en masse. In some respects if a parent is contributing maybe their daughter should be rewarded. Other decisions don't make sense so the knee jerk reaction from the parents of the kid negatively impacted is oh the coach has his favorites. We have good players on our team, but the team could be better by attrition of some of the "superstar" player/parents. I think the build for next year is mostly coaches selections based on familiarity but not club allegiance. meaning he picked based on parents as the pool of players was pretty even. And in case you are wondering I am a licensed coach on the boys side, I have actually made decisions to select/not select a player based on their parent due to the extra effort it would take to manage the parent, and I indicated to them why I made my decision. As a coach my responsibility is to the team, putting the best 11 on the field, and trying to get the next 7 to the same level. Not all coaches function this way when their primary income only comes from soccer. They are looking for the next thing, and if they can show good placement of players to the next level this helps their resume. My daughters coach is an @$$, but he will not be her coach next year, and hopefully be out of coaching soon.

Anonymous said...

7:59 AM

Well Said. THere are local relationships that work. Finding the right ones is part of the "Parent Game".

Anonymous said...

806 As an apparently knowledgeable parent, how could you expose your daughter to such a poor coach? was he a replacement for a team on which she had been playing? Did you learn anything in this mistake to pass on to us with younger kids in a buyer beware type of tip?

What percentage of kids do you think are on rosters because of "politics"? I can tell you that the manager and brochure handers out on my kid's team play less than most of the other kids so those politics don't seem relevant as far as play time. I don't know who makes donations or whatever else might influence selections and play time. Had one team contribute a few kids to the roster last year, but only one starts. When the roster is 20 it doesn't seem like a travesty that the manager's kid is in the lower third of the roster by my read, but then maybe I am naïve.

Anonymous said...

8:46 AM

The club made some interesting coaching decisions coming into the season and we started with a new coach. Once we were locked in after the new year started there was little we could do that would not cost us a double fee. My “Buyer beware” is if you are on a team and your player is getting playing time and progressing, if she likes her teammates and you like the parents stay. If you like the coach and they are staying with the team – stay. If you are new to the team find out if most of the players have been with the team (more importantly the coach) for a few years. If you are new ask the coach why they brought your daughter in, reputation or potential they saw during tryouts. At U16 very few additions should be made to a team. Ask the coach what his roster size will be, if you are on an ECNL team be aware of the subbing rules (If your daughter is not starting she will most likely see 15 minutes or under a half). Most coaches will not move a player from the bench to a starting role unless there is an injury or they really see that a bench player has overtaken a starter (usually through practices, that is why most practices are scrimmage based starters vs subs). As far as politics, good players will always see playing time. I think politics is the wrong word. What I have seen as a parent is different from what I experience as a coach. As a coach If I see a parent wanting to genuinely help and I can trust their son on the field I will take that into consideration, to another parent that may look like politics. But being helpful and QUIET as a parent may buy your player a few extra minutes. Oh, and a parent will never change a coaches mind regarding playing time for their child, in fact a parent questioning a coach as to why their child is not playing almost guarantees that they will see less time.

Anonymous said...

1103

Commitment is not necessarily an indicator of a players quality. Is is an indicator of a match between school and player. Duke usually attracts the top players so yes, a Duke commit is usually a top player. Maybe your stronger players are trying to get interest from the top soccer schools where the competition is fierce. On balance, I don't really understand or value early commits unless they are to the real top schools. I think the whole early commit thing is more ego based than necessity.

Anonymous said...

Well if your kid is offered 70% or more to go to a large university with lots of potential options for study. It's hard to pass over even if its not Duke or UVA. Some of the education part is what the kid makes of it.

Anonymous said...

1116 I agree with you. Its an important decision tho no? many jump at the first offer thinking they will not get others. I happen to think they will.

Anonymous said...

Getting a 70% plus offer to a major conference soccer school as a sophomore is usually an indicator that there are more to come. Our dd had this happen and worried about it. Told she had 2 weeks to decide. After two weeks when she said need more time, the coach didn't pull it he upped the offer to full. How many of you have had games played like this? We also had a coach tell us he was going to make an offer to our child if we flew to the campus for a visit. Got there and he says to her, have to see you in such and such tournament before we understand where you fit in our class. Feel like we wasted a lot of time and money. Any one else strewn along? Not sure how common these games are. Really wish this would all move back and we could use the 5 or is it 6 "official visits" the NCAA allows and no one uses more than 1 because they all committed before.

Anonymous said...

1:46 PM

A gaurenteed full ride to a major school as a sophomore. Congrats, I assume your daughter "Mallory" will be happy with her spot on the National team in Rio this summer as well. Because I would think a full ride as a sophomore also indicates that your daughter is also on the NT playing meaningful minutes in international events.

Anonymous said...

Nope you have a warped sense of reality. Solid players get big offers at lower performing schools in major conferences as sophomores. These schools know they aren't getting the GNT players so they go to the next level kids. They have just as much money to use up. I know defenders, midfielders and attacking players with 100% offers in this class. My kid is apparently one of them but that tier is very large and full of excellent, but not Mallory-type players

Anonymous said...

224

this is the whole point. 239 is spot on. the $$ are there to be spent. Elite players rarely go to these schools. they go to one of a handful. The schools in that handful are so desirable that kids will go there with less money because they are that prestigious. it leaves a whole lot of cash to be divided up amongst usually lesser players. If you want $$ then these are the places to go. A good, not great player can get mucho dinero. Another reason why people talking about commits and pct rides means very little with no context. Now if you tell me a kid has a full ride to Duke...ok. That is very impressive.

Anonymous said...

2:39 - and keepers (or maybe you are already including them in defense category).

Anonymous said...

Is your daughter's best education a part of the decision? Or is the hope of Ellis shaking her hand when she graduates more important? There are so many soccer options and opportunity after college, better get into that prestigious D1 school!!! :)
Yes, it's sarcasm...

Anonymous said...

Education is the biggest part of it. And yes, she can use her soccer to get a better education. We are not interested in more $$ to a school that we feel offers less for her. But a Stanford, Duke, UVA, ND and a few others. Now these are places where a soccer playing kid can get the bet of all worlds

Anonymous said...

It always fall back to somehow you have to sacrifice education if your kid goes to a power five to play soccer and study and you are therefore somehow lacking as a parent to counsel her to accept the offer. Personally I think this opinion is propagated by the people with lower level kids in aussaging their angst over their child's lesser options. News flash - all the power fives provide outstanding educational opportunities for your children. Even Florida State one of the lesser respected academic institutions in the ACC would provide a student athlete with excellent grades a top platform for acceptance into say an MBA program or medical school. Further they offer unbelievable academic support services improving your child's chances of the highest academic success.

Here's a question:
If your kid get's into Duke, but the soccer team isn't interested in her for even a roster spot, but she can play on a 50% scholarship and study at nearby highly regarded Elon; what to do you there? Of course this hypothetical is not reality because the kid would have to make a choice on going to Elon before she would know whether she was accepted at Duke. But one might be thinking hypothetically along these lines...
My opinion is that graduate school labels carry the most weight with employers. I was an intercollegiate athlete and I know that my athletics smoothed my way into top graduate schools, just as my high school athletics made a top undergraduate program a reality for me. I am counseling my kid in my hypothetical scenario to go to Elon.

Anonymous said...

I should qualify my comment. I am really talking about early commitment. Every kids/family has to weigh up their own options on the basis of how they rate their chances of achieving their No1 goal. I can really answer your hypothetical as I don't feel my child is in the position you describe.

Anonymous said...

Thank you for the comments.

At 8:16 and your "top undergraduate program", is your daughter considering it (as a legacy). Wouldn't she have a leg up already? Don't family athletic/genetics come into it as well (have MLB; nat'l championships in DI college in other sports, etc in our bloodline; they seem to love this).

Anonymous said...

3:00 5/18 - how do you achieve this if your kids' position is already filled at like a Duke, Stanford, etc. Getting in isn't a problem, academically, let's say. Just wondering how your hypothetical would occur.

Anonymous said...

5/18 - 10:01

Agreed about the early commit thing. I think some kids panic or just commit because they can move forward re all of it. I agree with you. It's silly. If it works, great. Otherwise, why choose a school because your friend already picked one. Well, the mind of a teenager; it is an enigma.

Anonymous said...

Lol for sure. But I think the parents of these sophomores are very much involved in guiding their children. It can be exhausting both physically and financially with visits, missed days of school and work and even airline tickets. Some may have to fight the urge to "just get it over with". Can't allow fatigue to push an adolescent into a poor decision.

Anonymous said...

9:45 - agreed. Otherwise, they are back home after school; living in your basement for a long time. :)

Anonymous said...

And add the stress of these showcases and the colleges watching and it gets really rough. The quest for pain relief could easily result in a mistake as it often does from the transfer rates.

Anyone else's 10th grader feeling a lot of pressure coming into Memorial Day tournaments and coaches telling them they need to see them one last time before decisions are made...

Anonymous said...

do you think it matters to have the best players on the field in these showcases?

Anonymous said...

Matters for what?
I think that some players at some positions need a certain level of quality around them to shine. A striker with no service and the ball in her defensive half the whole game will have trouble showing well. An attacking midfielder less of an issue because she can play many players through, but they don't score. The coaches see the well weighted pass and vision and don't care that the ball wasn't finished. A defender can show good 1v1 defensive abilities, but if her fellow back line players don't understand defensive principles as well as she, it will take a really keen eye to see a defensive breakdown near her for what it is. GK are a real exception. They can be overlooked if their team dominates and they see no action. However, they lose a 1vgoal battle and can get scratched off on one play. But if the back line won't listen and you are distracted by trying to organize them, you might be slightly late to a ball in the box etc.

That said, I think it a travesty if kids don't get at least half a game at showcases. It sends a message to the coaches if they aren't playing and seems to violate what should be part of a soccer clubs mission to expose its players to potentially go to the next level.

Anonymous said...

So PDA without some of the best players is an issue for you.

Anonymous said...

4:09 - Thinking your are saying PDA tourney. If your roster doesn't have depth, it can be. Some kids are not plug and play. They are plug and PRAY. lol

For instance, put a girl who normally plays up top on the back line. Looks good on paper,right? Wrong. She doesn't know how to read the shooter; never taught. Can't seem to transfer what she does to read what she would do.

Her mind says "get the ball" not "control the player with the ball." So, continuously leaves her player to get the ball.

So, she causes corners and fouls instead of getting them (because that is what she used to do up top). And, because she doesn't understand keeper instructions on what she should do to control the player, when to drop, when to take the ball, when to release, she then over commits and doesn't pay attention or thinks she knows better.

So, the ONLY thing turning is her head as her runner goes right past her.

Speaking from recent team experience. Put several of those out there, not a fun time.



Anonymous said...

NT players from u15-U18 are unlikely to attend the PDA Showcase. The USSF H coaches will not be there either. This was a big carrot for players to perform. Some teams more affected than others.

Anonymous said...

Isn't PDA about college coaches finding kids, too? And, depending on where you go to college, NT could find you there.

Anonymous said...

Yes PDA is about colleges seeing and finding players. But also can't deny it is, at least for the best, a chance to play for national scouts. All the ECNL DOCs put in a list of players by birth year for the USSF scouts to see. The scouts will still be there but of course the head coaches will not. It may affect future camps invites. USSF won't completely snub ECNL next year because they are still trying to collect the best players. But this snub was definitely a shot heard round the world and a message to DOCs join DA or you will be second tier scouting for our national teams and we will make sure all the best kids hear that message.

Anonymous said...

How many DA's are they thinking will be approved? Do you think 1/3 of the current clubs will become DA's or less?

Anonymous said...

I think many of the boys DA clubs will become girls DA. I think most of the ECNL clubs will become DA. I think there was a press conference at one point where they said there would be 80 clubs. My question is what happens to the ECNL rule that the top team in the club will be the ECNL team? The DA won't accept less than the top team. The high school rule may keep some of the top players on ECNL rather than DA

Anonymous said...

805

If what you just said is true, then it is a complete waste of time. Do not even bother to start a DA

Anonymous said...

So when would this start (DA), immediately or 2017-18, if you know? Sounds like way too many (80 proposed).

Anonymous said...

I just rechecked the article it said 60-80 clubs

Anonymous said...

still way too many. DA is going to have a hard time being good enough because of the sheer size of the country. maybe in a few years, but not immediately. The "if you build it they will come" approach wont work because right now to get in to a College most player don't need to improve.

Anonymous said...

How many boys' DA's are there?

Anonymous said...

Any interesting match ups at PDA this weekend?

Anonymous said...

yes as a matter fact there is the pda gunners have to play so cal blues crossfire premiere and Indiana fire all top 5 teams in the nation

Anonymous said...

817

Not interesting and not top 5 when XFire without best player and SoCal missing at least 3 of their best. PDA unaffected by NT call ups so advantage PDA I guess.

Anonymous said...

The best players on most of the U16 teams are currently 99s. The camps are 00 and 01s. However, you are right the crossfire team will be missing their dominant attacking player. The Indiana fire will be missing their 00 GK but their 99 GK has played in more games hard to say which is the better. so cal I think is only missing a defender. I think all but the Washington team will be relatively unaffected.

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