Some Data Breakdown from Jeff Cup:Champions and Finalists from 5 flights: VA(3), NC(2), NJ(1), NYE(1), PAW(1), GA(1), FL(1)7 ECNL teams across 4 flights: CSA wins top flight (I guess, still not posted). No other ECNL teams advance out of group play.GotSoccer Point Underachievers: Santos (28K), NEFC (28K), Rowdies (26K), FC Copa (23K), TRE (24K), Stampede (23K), ISA (20K), Smithtown Kickers (20K), VYS (14K), Mercer (15K)Headscratcher flight placements based on recent results and on performance this weekend: HMMS EV, NJ Rush Grey (they did reach semis in a weak group), PDA Pride, South Jersey Barons, Mercer
EDP , EDP, EDP ,EDP !!! This week end was ruined by it. A lot of the under achieves were accepted simpy because they play EDP. This week end showed how weak the EDP league is. Some very good teams not accepted who would have been way more competetive.
Wow. caught up reading all the posts the last couple of weeks - some folks so caught up in bashing, they don't even remember what they or others have posted recently. Looks to me like the teams either way down south (CSA) or the clubs with resources to travel to warm climates (PA Strikers and PDA), did well. There were postings about a couple teams playing in AZ already, and someone posted about PDA training with their new Florida branch? Plus they had 2 ECNL games last weekend. Then some clubs did play in the Bethesda tournament. I can vouch that the weather in NJ has been and continues to be ridiculously cold. 25 degrees today. Can't practice outside in below 30 degree temp, regardless if your turf field has been plowed or not. So folks, get a grip.One question I would like to know is this - has CSA won any tournaments except for the last 2 Jeff Cup events? They are certainly a very talented team and exploded through the top bracket this past weekend, but curious to know if their dominance was due to the leaden legs of teams who couldn't get outside, or if CSA dominates ALL the tournaments. Thanks.
Even after adding the Real deserters, PDA pride still couldn't score any goals. Tell me again what we are getting for $2500 plus?
It was all explained to you at the parent meeting, it's All Good! :))))
Do all of you dummies put these posts in your kids scrapbooks? What are you getting for your time on here?All scenarios regarding NJ's performance at the Jefferson Cup are plausible. As Bill Parcells often said though, "you are your record". So any rationale does not change that. Learn, prepare and improve.I am happy a few teams from NJ were out and able to represent. Many of them did not perform the way they had hoped that's part of the equation sometimes. No shame in being at the game though. This is YOUTH sports after all.-DCShore
The issue lies not in the teams that didn't perform. It isn't because of weather and practice. The issue is the tournament. It was one of the top around. The tournament committee made promises that made their life easier and saved them homework. In the end teams were there who had no business being there. The lower brackets were about the same as any home town lower bracket. The top brackets had some good teams but added some that we're not deserving. This is why games were lopsided. Throw out GS and just look at records against top teams. They speak for themselves and those teams performed as their record predicts. It's not a cut on them it's just a fact. The tournament committee has to see they screwed up and realize to be a top tournament you can't guarantee anyone anything. You have to continue to do your research and homework as always. Nobody is going to pay$1000 to beat teams 4-0++. You can do that against your local town teams. Hopefully they return to what made them who they are.
Certainly that is in the realm of possibility 9:54. To what degree some will argue...in fact many will I am sure. If fact I can absolutely see that being part of the problem...but it is impossible for me to know.How you can rule the other factors out is beyond being reasonable though. But this is the friendly internet.Our team played outdoors this past Saturday for only the 2nd time since late November. LOTS of rust and bad touches We lost. Thankfully we are just a town team made up of friends so instead of getting angry, staying upset, running to a message and putting a gun to our mouths we just got ice cream. -DCShore
According to 9:54, the top bracket for 2015 Jeff cup should be CSA, PA Strikers, Florida Krush 99, YMS and ABGC. Not a bad grouping. They are the only teams in top 4 levels of the tournament winning a game by 4 or more points. In the top bracket, only CSA won a game by more than 2 points. Using the 4+ point formula, all of the other 5 teams are equal. So the 2d bracket would include NEFC, Gunners, Rowdies, McLean., Santos, Copa, Bethesda. Odd isn't it? More than half if this group is ECNL.
More then bald the group is ECNL or EDP because promises and favoritism was shown to those groups. Not because of past performances. YMS hasn't won anything in years , didn't win a game last year but got in on EDP status. To exaggerate greatly imagine if we put every d3 and d4 team from our town leagues in the top brackets. Then said hey the pink pandas won all there games in the second bracket at JCup. Move them up to the top flight. You can't water down the competition then look at results. For the record YMS is a decent team. They are geographically all but in NJ. They had them same weather. In their league they placed 3rd or 4th. The 2 teams who placed above them were not accepted to jcup despite success at other highly ranked tournaments. Where YMS has had none. But they played EDP so they were accepted. And there is many more similar stories of unsuccessful teams being accepted. Only because of ECNL and EDP.
10:54, you misunderstand what 9:54 was saying. He's saying if you beat a team by 4+ points why go to the tournament and play subpar competition. I agree that they certainly made a mistake in the second bracket with teams like Barons, Kickers and TRE losing by 4-7 goals? They should not be in second bracket. The games played in the top bracket were very close except for one. Most of these games could have gone either way and were very competitive and thats the goal. What is important is how the teams are trending, are they getting better or worse over time. Thats hard for any tournament to nail exactly, its not a perfect science. You can make the argument that ABGC and Strikers should be in top bracket and I would not argue with that, but really whats the point in bashing "ECNL"? McLean just beat ABGC at Bethesda Tournament and Bethesda beat ABGC at regionals 4-0? Just let the kids play and enjoy the ride.
Not a PDA parent but someone who played them this weekend. The group of PDA, NEFC, NR and Bethesda was a very difficult group with no game decided by more than 2 goals. For any team team to go 3-0 I say job well done. The other side of the bracket was much easier. Charlotte was never tested as they eased into the finals, PDA played NR in a game that I saw. It was tough hard fought physical game which the referee lost a control and then became chippy. PDA was a bit tired after that game as well as playing NEFC and Bethesda in tough close games. Charlotte played Copa and McLean who should have both been in the second flight. Copa has never beaten anyone and McLean in the last few months lost 3-0 to NR and 4-0 to Bethesda. Tournament should have evened out the brackets. Talking to a few parents from NEFC and NR they said they have not even practiced outdoors before coming to the tournament. For many teams it was tough first tournament with out much outdoor practice time. Congrats to all teams that played.
Most objective people that know the NJ soccer world, that TRE and SJB were not going to be competitive in the second bracket. The Jeff Cup is a Got Soccer event and it supports Got Soccer. The measure of a team is their record against competitive opponents. Got soccer now lists Diamond, Premier Elite, and Premier teams based on points and they will tell you how many points to get to the next level. That alone sets up the wrong behavior of teams to attain a ranking that gets them placed in tournaments. The team organizers do not do the team any favors setting them up for 7-1 losses and it's not fair for the girls playing or the opponents who travel all that distance to play a poor match.
Aside from the top two divisions, the other three seem to be randomly assigned. The "Superior" division had teams that had no history of performing well, either in GS or any other results. In fact there's teams there that don't seem to even warrant being admitted.The "Platinum" division was the weakest, by all accounts. VYS is the only team with any GS points, and those were earned before the team lost all their top girls to other teams, as their result show.The "Classic" division had the toughest bunch out of those three divisions, either by GS points or results. The two finalists (LMVS & Herndon) were placed there simply because they won the last two qualifiers, but results show that they should have been admitted on merit alone and placed in a "higher" division. Anyone who caught the Classic final was treated to a show of the top two keepers in the area. They put on a clinic during the game with outstanding save after outstanding save.
Well said LMVS parent congratulations on your daughters win.
12:09 I totally agree. I'm sure every parent felt their girls were well served playing in that PDA bracket. I was there as well all the games were very competitive.
12:54-We'll put. And congrats on your win. " I think the should have been admitted on their own merit " needs to be put in perspective. In the past JCup has always said they look at your record against the top teams. 2 years ago a friend of mines team was not accepted after winning their division at Jcup the year before. They were told it was because the committee felt that they played a weak schedule and hadn't played the top team with success. So you guarantee a winner of qualifier entrance but not someone who won the actual tournament. Another team I'm familiar with was not accepted despite beating or drawing 8 of the teams in the top 2 brackets. If they are truly taking teams on merit how do you not find a place for those teams when your accepting teams that play lower competition by choice or assignments. True 1st rate tournaments show depth throughout. Perhaps you are very good. I have no idea and actually never heard of the club. I will tell you none of the teams that belong in the top flights would ever consider playing a qualifier. Because of pride or lack of competition.
Isn't PDA Gunners Blue their ECNL team? Seems like all of the players are the same?
1:52 - I'm not saying they should be in one of the top divisions. Just that the Superior, Platinum, and Classic seem to have no rhyme or reason to their assignments. There's teams in the Classic that beat all of the teams they've played in the other divisions. There's teams in the Superior division that haven't even won 20% of their games. No argument with the top two divisions and their selections.No complaints, just confusion as to how they arrange the divisions.
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EDP teams like NJ Rush, Mercer FC, YMS got in just because they are an EDP team. Look at their record they have not beaten anybody top 10 in NJ
7:56The problem with throwing that net is SJEB, Copa, haven't either. TR - could go either way. Hmms, north union united haven't beaten a decent team for ever. Accepted because of EDP.
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So much talk about the ABGC team being such a powerhouse they only win the 2nd tier because the FLA team had to play a man down for over 75 minutes . No respect for them until they prove themselves #CCL #Whatajoke #GDSucks
Didnt seem like a joke when they were smackin PA Strikers around.....
10:04Stupidest post ever. I don't care for abgc myself but what's the point #growup#dumb#whyarewehashtagging#retard
ABGC is a very good team that should have been in top bracket last week. They won second bracket last year vs. PDA's top team and then they won it again this year. Jeff Cup should account or weight that fact more when they make up the brackets. ABGC wins wherever they play, not always the final but most times they get there. No I'm not an ABGC parent. I congratulate their girls on a nice tournament.
Looked at Got Soccer ranking and points for TRE. 9400 points from a weak EDP league. Other than that nothing to write home about. And then they were crushed this past weekend at Jeff. I see a team slowly degrading to nothing.
Why does that need to be said?My guess is that the team will be just fine. They may have hit a peak but they have girls who can play the game and many will be able to play through College if they so choose. What is wrong with that?SO WHAT if Got Soccer put their point totals on an artificial pedestal? SO WHAT if they recently found themselves playing at a level above their game? Honestly so much of soccer at this age is weighted towards athletic/speed of play advantages/disadvantages as opposed to skill. TRE can play the game just fine. SO WHAT if the coaches took their players to a tournament that most others would not be admitted to? So what if they do not get admitted again next year. SO WHAT if there was a recent merger between ambitions town Club Officers and a predatory Academy that is not satisfied until all of the deal they agreed to behind closed doors are completed. Despite the wishes of present coaches, players and parents. Does this mean they have to celebrate when TRE underperforms? When did it stop being about the kids? The game?What matters is the coaches/players and parents are part of a team they hopefully love and having experiences that they love equally as well.I an think of at least 4-5 other town club teams that are doing the right thing by the players and the game. It doesn't mean that they are anything more but they are certainly nothing less. SO WHAT if they never 'get a scholarship'...SO WHAT if they do.From a guy who has seen many of the fine teams being discussed play and enjoyed the matches. DCShore
Well said 2:22PM ~
I think the so what has and always will be the attitude and conduct of the Parents , coaches and players. I'm sure there is a few decent ones in the bunch. I liken it to the Dallas cowboys. I root for the Eagles and whoever is playing Dallas. I root for my kids club and whoever is playing TR and ABGC.
5:32,Ok I'll bite. You seem to be a "Jersey" guy dishing on TR and loving the beagles. What's your beef with Annandale (ABGC) they are nowhere close to you?Just curious.
Well said 2:54! I'm with you all the way, "so what"! Digging it.I also agree with you on the town teams that are trying to do right by the players and the game. Well done job by those coach's. Also well done job by all the teams that competed at Jefferon; win, lose, or tie. They played and had fun, just like every other U14 team last weekend that played in a tournament or league game. So what!
If you look through the history of this blog, you would know why there is a distaste for TRE. People don't celebrate the underperformance of other clubs, so if if you consider why people celebrate, TRE only has to look in the mirror. People would be willing to celebrate good sportsmanship regardless of the club. You have hit the nail on the head with the struggle that town clubs will have going forwad because this is the age where skill separatesfrom the teams made up of athletes and speed.
I am all about being the better person PRECISELY because we are talking about 13 and 14 year old kids. I don't have the time or desire to go through the history of this blog. I'm sure bad behavior has come from every direction.I put a challenge out to everyone reading this board to go out and go see a set of teams play this weekend that you have never watched before. PURELY for the enjoyment of watching the game. ASSUME both teams will be less skilled than yours. TRY and look for something good in each...maybe something good that your team DOES NOT do. I am assuming many of you are from high level teams. Teams I have watched play and teams with great skill I enjoy watching. I could even tell many of you that despite how great your teams are (and I say that seriously) i know FOR SURE some of you have coaches are not teaching your players the full game because they are more worried about the outcome than increasing the level of play an decisions making from your players. I WILL NOT however because that is not the point and it is not productive. It does not belong on a message board. The point is that I watch and LEARN and yes also critique. Who is up for the challenge? We can share feedback without even mentioning a team name. It might make everyone feel a bit better.DCShore
I guess when you are on a Club's B team, it is better to go snowboarding then play soccer at Jeff Cup. They did not need any goals scored...
@1008 but she is 'hurt'! You must be mistaken! :))))
@1008 how does having bad knees allow one to snowboard? Oh, you are JJs favorite!
I left this blog open on the ipad and came back to find my daughter reading the posts. Would have preferred if she didn't have to see "grown-ups behaving badly", but she did, however, have something to say. "Dad, is that our team they're talking about?""Unfortunately, yes""Cool! If they're talking about us it must mean we're good! Nobody talks about teams that stink!"Wise words of a 14 year old.
Guess the rest of your PDA B team really stinks if your success lies with a single player. Sounds like you need her back so maybe you shouldn't bash on her...just saying. Also sounds like you don't have a team spirit if you call out your own teammates, you should probably leave if your not happy with your coach or team.
Yeah 12:08, that really happened.
8:27I'm sure that's what the Sixers coach is telling upper management right now!:)
9:13I dont see any ECNL teams at the PDA acceptance list...primed for Gunners to take it all...good setup..no Matchfit, ABGC, World Class, NEFC ECNL?, I guess all the ECNL teams are busy that day..LMFAO
U-14 ECNL is Weak as a whole. Why is Soccer Pius even an ECNL club..
U14 ECNL does not have many strong teams. Look at World Class games 8-1, 7-0, 6-2 this are not competitive games
Because ECNL is not team based, it is club based and at any given age group there will be weak or strong teams from a club. The ECNLs goal is to try and build strong national clubs. Only people on this blog obsess over u-14 alone without looking at the broader soccer picture. I'm not saying its good or bad, but it is happening.
4:05 has it exactly right. It is 76 clubs that have a tradition and track record of teaching and developing young soccer players. Plus they all have great facilities to host multiple soccer events (games). Plus its a showcase league that is set up to host college coaches at national events.
Bull crap 432" it is a money grab forcing good local teams to merge with clubs. This is not necessary and please spare me that these clubs are all proven developmental clubs. matchFit hasn't DEVELOPED a team yet. How can you keep teams in that can't compete. Thats not ELITE. Even Lowly JaGS demotes and promotes teams based on record and performance.
Define 'Elite' for me.TRUE our town team would lose to quite a few of the top teams by 3-4 goals. Maybe even 7-10 if we did not play our best game.FALSE that all of these teams would necessarily be playing any kind of elevated or 'elite' soccer. Some would many would not.TRUE they are all likely to have have bigger/faster players. Or at least more of them.TRUE our town team can not get into many of the tournaments that we would like to...which would actually help our team with speed of play...because of our lack of got soccer points. TRUE this is the very same system that most of the non #1 ranked academy teams complain about but their own clubs base their own tournaments on this system for deciding which teams to accept.TRUE PDA (the best of the best) is one of them.FALSE that almost any of this is good for 'development' or about the kids.DCShore
Also to be clear.I am far from anti PDA or anti Academy.The point is in some cases Got Soccer points clearly means a bit more to their club than some of the individual team/coaches/parents. I do not think that is clear to some parents posting and bashing teams for 'chasing' got soccer points.DCShore
7:24 / 9:48 - you just don't get it. First off I have no idea what ECNL is doing to "small town" teams because my daughter plays for larger ECNL club. Where I live all the "small town" teams are still around and doing business. Frankly a number of them should be shut down because they are doing kids a great injustice by providing them with less than adequate coaching / training. Most town teams and their parents are all about protecting their kids spot on team and playing time. They would be totally satisfied if they won all their games in WAGS / PAGS / JAGS against subpar teams. They are not interested in getting better or taking on better players if that means their girl does not start or play much. And talk about the politics! Small town teams are run by the parents, especially the parents that have the best kids on the team. Oh boy thats fun.. . My daughter left local "small town" team before ECNL was even around because the training was a joke and the coach showed up late for games. His primary job was bartending. The training my daughter is currently receiving on her ECNL team is college level. If you doubt me come to a practice they are all open to any player. Back to the money again… I pay $2000 a year and that covers everything. 2 -3 (sometimes 4) practices, scrimmages etc a week all year long on turf fields. We also go to 5 tournaments (non ECNL) and we pay no additional money for those. We pay additional for travel and thats it. Hotels, planes, gas, food etc. Stick with your local team no one is forcing you to leave. Even if big box ECNL club scoops you up your daughter doesn't have to play ECNL. She can play on B or C team, and those teams play local. The worst teams in our ECNL division still play soccer and not kick and run which you see with many local "town teams". Again who cares about the winning or losing or even if a team is very good or not. Its about teaching soccer the right way and many (not all) ECNL clubs are doing just that. And lets not forget that this is also about showcasing your daughter so that "if" she wants to play in college, and she is "good" enough that she at least plays in a league that is second to none with respect to that access.
814 can you please elaborate the developmental aspect of rostering 25 kids ? And how a team or club is Not reevaluated for ECNL status (see soccer plus elite) after repeatedly getting smacked around for season after season at multiple levels. How many lopsided games is it ok to play? I would be fime with ECNl if it was team and performance based. it is not. follow the money. Follow it right to the clubs.
814 your daughter def doesn't play in NJ at those prices.
The 22 or 25 player rosters are not an accurate reflection of situation. The ECNL requires a record of each player who plays in a game. Therefore any players who has ever played for an ECNL team in an ECNL game or event will be listed on the roster. This includes call ups from NPL and younger teams. It may also include part time "discovery players" who are essentially guests. While some clubs may sit the bottom kids on an inflated roster for certain events, most especially at u14 only fill the game day 18 (which may be down a player or two due to injury of conflict) with play ups and B team kids to see if they can play and reward effort.
Look at ECNL website for nj ECNL teams. Average roter 23-24 . These are ROSTERED players. Not who played in a game. If your not top 10 waste of money.
9:32, We roster a lot of kids and to your point many might not ever see an ECNL game. That said many do practice with us and thats very beneficial to them. Not everyone is going to make the team, and even if you do make the team only 11 can start and playing time is not equal. Very competitive. It's not perfect but I've always said let your daughter play where she is happy, developing and playing in games. All the girls who are on our roster and don't play are on the B team. They are all fine players and know what they need to do to make it to the field of an ECNL game. Like I said they practice with us. Our A and B teams are close and the girls all enjoy each others company. Its a healthy competitive environment. Our B and C teams are all developing with great coaches and they obviously use all the same facilities that the ECNL team does. I'm not here to bash small town teams. There are a number of fine organizations that are doing the right thing, but many are not. What most don't seem to understand is the business model. You need a larger player pool / organization to provide top level coaching and playing surfaces. How do you teach foot skills when you practice on crappy fields where the patches of no grass out number the patches of crab grass? Trust me I've been there. I've also seen the numbers on what it takes get good coaching and turf fields - it takes more than what many small town teams can generate with smaller pool of players. Its just a hard reality, I did not write the rules. And no we are not a NJ team.
10:24,How is it a waste of money? They are on B team with great coaching and using great facilities. They pay the same price we do ($2,000) for all the practices and same number of tournaments. PLus they don't have to pay all the travel expenses associated with ECNL travel? If some club is offering all that for less than $2000 annually be very happy you are there.
Any MF or PDA parents here to present their experience with a healthy environment and opportunity for advancemt to the a team. Would love to hear from a parent of a 15-25 roster level ECNL player
Our club is $1200 includes turf fields, professional coach, 5 tournaments and league + state cup. We pay for additional tournaments. In the last 2 years we have played teams like MSC,Yms, the Rowdies, FC Europe, Sjeb,Copa,PDA , Pa Strikers, TR, Century United, Penn Fusion, East Meadows, Smithtown Kickers , Stallions , FC Bucks, Abgc, etc etc. We have had a pretty successful run in the last year only missing the finals in one tournament. That's all for $1200. My daughter knows exactly where she want to play college soccer. Penn State. The coach knows who she is. As a team we have had dinner with her and several players from there. What would Ecnl have to offer my daughter? I'd be interested to hear.
NOTHING! sounds like youve got the situaltion well in hand. Well done.
2:12 What is the club?
2:12,As a parent who has a daughter playing in ECNL I would say your daughter is in a great spot and ECNL would not offer her anything that she is not already getting. Maybe the possible of having her seen at the ECNL national events - if in fact she wants to play anywhere other than Penn State. Great school by the way my older daughter is going there in the fall. Would like to know the club as well but understand if you don't want to say anything. Is it NEFC? LOL. Or why don't you just say the bracket they played in at Jeff Cup.
When I was down at Jeff Cup I over heard a couple of parents from the game before my daughters talking. One father said that the score should be 4 to 0. That those forwards had four chances already. I couldn't help but wonder if he ever played. Then I heard a parent on our sideline say the same thing. I was wondering if anyone knows the percentage of shots per goal ratio of the Sierra A or the EPL? I can only check a couple of games but it looks like about 1 goal in 12 or 13 shots as an average. Anyone?
Our team brings in players from other teams within the club to play with our team in league games and also in tournaments. So those Players Play About 30 Minutes A Half On Top Of The Time Already Getting From their Own TEAM In scrimmages, League games, And tournaments. We have a roster of 17 so we are not short players. In the meanwhile 4 girls suffer And TV THE Being Developed Since they only play about 15 - 20 minutes a half. What r your thoughts on this?
12:18AMIt is of course all that is WRONG with youth soccer.The lack of commitment towards players is astounding even from some of the TOP teams. I could not imagine being a player/parent watching guest players come onto the team and getting more playing time them someone already on the roster. I have even seen cases where the existing team members sits the entire game in favor of guest players. IT IS WRONG but unfortunately predictable as 'winning' remains the driving force with so many teams. NOT development within the squad. Ultimately thought it is up to the player and parent to decide jus what kind of environment they want to be part of. Some teams have policies where they strictly DO NOT take guest players.Please do not confuse this with offering equal playing time for all players on the squad. I do feel the coaching staff should have final call on all playing time and it does not need to be equal. Playing time from members of the team should be earned and it goes without saying their should be genuine opportunity. Sometimes there is no upward mobility even on a squad that does not take guest players. This is problematic too.DCShore
You are correct. Coaches should be the ultimate decider on playing time, but coaches have their biases and we know that there is an unequal treatment of kids. If you are in the favorite pool, then you get your playing time regardless of effort. Just because these coaches are called "professional" coaches doesn't make them professional.
Ask the coach what your daughter needs to do to get herself in a better position to play more. Address flaws (if she has any) with personal training separate from club practice. I never understand why people are so afraid to talk to the coach. Be positive about it and don't complain or make it a "fairness" issue. Ask what needs to happen to rectify the problem. You are a paying customer and your trusting this coach with your daughters development. You have every right to an answer. If you are afraid to talk to the coach about a concern you are having because you think this will only result in further reduction of time, you have already lost. Coaches are far from perfect, they are human. Just keep it positive.
I'm not sure what gave you the indication that I/my daughter hasn't spoken to her coach. Having been through several coaches, some are willing to have parent discussions and some less willing. My point was that often once a coach decides his favorites, they are slow to move away from those favorites regardless of what happens on the field. It is also human nature that if you challenge them on this in a positive or negative way, coaches get defensive because you are questioning their decision making.
I don't understand why coaches have to bring players from another team to play with a certain team. The message this sends is that the players whose play time is being reduced are not as good as the players coming in. In the meanwhile the guests are getting more than enough play time since they play in two different teams.
In the sometimes bizarre world of coaches, they think that constant negative reinforcement is a strong motivator. If I bring in a player from another team and bench my loyal 2nd team player then that will act as motivation for my 2nd team player trying to reach the first. "work harder and this can be you."
Think high school will be any different?
Yes, I would expect the coaching and play in high school soccer to be worse. Many people pay between $1,200-$2,600 per year for pro a professional infrastructure and professional coaching and yet sometimes you watch these coaches and think it is a 10 year old parent coached game. We've all seen the coaches that publicly humiliate kids and call it motivation.
Would love to hear from any parent that approached a coach and asked about playing time AND it resulted in their daughter getting more minutes . Just doesn't happen...
These coaches have too much arrogance and know everything that there is and place little value on what a parent says to them, and parents are blinded by little Jenny is the best player ever if only the coach would recognize it. It is a recipe for poor communication.
All fair points regarding parent / coach communications. That said my daughter has never played for a team where the best players don't play most of the minutes. And in some important games, if there are important games at this age, all the minutes. Players make opportunities for themselves and for the most part those are the ones getting most of the minutes.
Hmm, I guess I should consider myself lucky. We aren't part of an Academy club, or an ECNL club. But we hired a professional coach to coach our team and while he has his way of doing things, he still works for us. Our goal is to put our kids in the best environment that we can to foster their development. We hired him because his vision was in line with our goals. If we didn't think the coach was doing that, we would either encourage him to change his ways or get rid of him. Everyone is happy with the situation. Most of the girls have played with other girls on the team for 6-8 years and everyone gets along great. As long as the parents can see the big picture and not get too focused on having to win everything, the kids can get better. It's been fun watching the kids develop into one of the top teams in the state, and the region. We've struggled in the past in terms of wins and losses, but for the most part everyone has stuck with the plan and it's starting to pay off. We don't have to worry about where we need to try out next season, or if someone new is going to come along to displace someone on the team. Having friends with kids that play on other teams in the area (some ECNL, some Regional leagues) I can honestly state that the dynamics on this team are hard to match.We use guest players from time to time, maybe 1 or two if someone is on vacation, or we have someone injured. I've never heard any parents complain that their kid is losing playing time to the guest players. Most of their touches come during training anyway. To get out of whack because your kid played 20 minutes instead of 30 minutes is actually pretty ridiculous at this age.
I have been on both sides and it is a trade-off, a team who hires a professional coach, is hiring him to service the team, and if he is not meeting the needs of that team they can be changed by the team. In an Academy, and I use that term a bit loosely, there is a clear and purposeful boundary. The mentality is that you drop your kids off and leave them with the coaches, and you watch and enjoy. I prefer the Academy approach even if it isn't perfect, because you probably get less bias than in a parent or town coached team, but no doubt professional or otherwise, some times a coach and player click or do not click and good players get a lot more bench time and less competent players get more playing times. It definitely happens. The one thing I know for sure about talking to coaches, is that if you are seen to be challenging their coaching judgment, no coach will react kindly to it even more so if done publicly. What I look for in a coach is not fairness in playing time, but rather fairness in decision making and that is hard to come by. I haven;t seen many truly great coaches at this age group and a lot that are awful.
Does anyone have any insight into the Region 1 training at DE in April? My kid is new this year to state ODP. Obviously not invited to DE since didn't do regional camp last year. I heard its a new session and there were cuts from Buffalo making it more selective. Is it just a money grab? My interest is in the fact that my kid will be competing in July at regional camp with kids who will be well known to the program. Does it matter? Should we just bag ODP rather than pay for Regional camp this July if the team is probably already set. She is a starter on a team that has travelled nationally.
That's what is great about ODP. Every year, you start fresh...no matter how far you got in the previous year. Different coach from the previous year as you age up. Some new faces, some returnees, and some drop off. It's great to see how you stack up against others on a regional level. If your daughter is a starter on a team that travels nationally, then she should go far in the ODP system.
My 2 cents on playing time: My daughter has games where she is really killing it & days where she isn't. this effects her playing time, as it should. If shes dragging butt for some reason, she usually has reduced minutes. Maybe this is why some kids get more minutes than others?
PDA Shore U15G Tryouts April 16th (Wednesday) 630-8pm @ Toms River East High School TurfApril 21st (Monday) 630-8pm @ Toms River East High School TurfCALL BACKSMay 5th (Monday) 630-8pm @ Tom River East High School TurfContact Director of Coaching, Lee Pollard at firstname.lastname@example.org
Heard that Tom River lost to Freehold in the 1st round is that true?
Yes Toms River Milan lost in PK to Freehold on Sunday
What happened to JAGS as a competitive league? I looked at their website and it says under construction. Does it still exist?
Wrong website here is the correct one http://www.jagsassn.org/
Does anybody know what league the NJ SoccerForce Devils play in? Is it jags or EDP?Just curious!!
NJ Force-not EDP. Did anyone notice that Baltimore Mania canceled just about the entire tournament due to weather. Imagine what tournaments will charge next year to make up for the shortfall.
Anyone planning on going to the PDA shore tryout?
Why would anyone in NJ seriously consider PDA shore?? Do you not see that you will just be the cash cow D team? Why do that?. To your child???
Seems pretty close minded. How do you know it won't be a successful team? Draw talented girls? It was just a question. SImple yes or no would've been good. I will take my daughter anyway to see what shows up but whether it's a B, C or D team remains to be seen, no?
Please do not fool yourself! Let's break it down! Gunners will always be numero uno and ECNL! They need to keep telling Pride they are number 2. They will pull out one or two girls to practice with Gunners just to dangle the carrot. Atletica is barely holding it together but parents still pay HUGE money to play in Jags. Do you seriously think the new SHORE team will displace Pride in NPL or god Forbid, Gunners in ECNL??? Use your brains, parents!
Thanks for the input Gunners parent. LOL
Yeah, God forbid. HAHAHA!
If Shore team is better than Gunners or the Pride team they will replace them, or more likely ask the real good players to play with Gunners or Pride.
@718 thanks for starting my day off with a big belly laugh!!! That is a good one!! Ask pride parents how well that worked out for them!
Props to the Gunners girls. They're a solid team of talented players. Shame they have such arrogant parents. There are other girls in the state that are as good/better than some on your roster. Be careful......might be your daughter that gets replaced. OH SNAP!!!!
If your daughter is truly talented, go directly to gunners try outs. Why waste your time on the b, c, or d teams, waiting for a call up that never comes?
I guess geography was not a strong suit for many of you. Believe it or not some people are happy at PDA and giving new options to players around the state without having to drive 1+ hours is not a bad thing. There is a huge population in the Toms River area and it will ultimately be good to more local options for those players. I'm not sure why having more options and people having the free will to choose those options is a bad thing.
I'm also not sure why having an option for good training with other kids that are committed and serious about working hard and trying to improve would be a bad thing. Nothing is perfect but having options is a good thing.
Your kid and my kid are not playing in the proshttp://www.nuvo.net/GuestVoices/archives/2014/03/18/your-kid-and-my-kid-are-not-playing-in-the-prosDCShore
http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2014/03/high_school_principal_benjamin.htmlWow. Imagine if Pa Strikers answered to someone. Parents included.
This guy takes a picture of a bag contain game bra and comes close to losing his job. He takes pictures of 17 girls in them and it's fine. Go figure.
Does anyone have the website for FC Delco acceptances they were suppoesed to be posted yesterday?
Elite tournaments once again a befuddled mess of a tournament. The owners exhibiting why we need to separate any ties with them. Yank our 4 tournaments and save some money. The typical "I pick things up and put them down" duh mentality. Cocky , smug, arrogant , jerks even when their wrong.
That's the applied list. The accepted list will be at: http://www.gotsport.com/asp/directors/tournament/vieweventteamscleanb.asp?EventID=35682
TR had rough day up North with Quickstrike.Here the game was done by halftime. In a spiral downward.
What was the score?
Anybody knows where the U15G PDA Shore team will play? Do you think they will play EDP?
It was a great game 2-0 Quickstrike. Quickstrike keeper had many saves. TR had an ok day won one and lost one.
Alleycats had an even worst day than TR. 0 for 2 and gave up 7 goals
toms river has two teams. but because of ego problems with the two coaches you will never see there best players on the same team. toms river has a lot of talent. if they put the best players from both teams on field they would be a force to recon with. but because adults act like clowns you will never see this. sad......
PDA Shore U15G TRYOUTS April 16th (Wednesday) 630-8pm @ Toms River East High School TurfApril 21st (Monday) 630-8pm @ Toms River East High School TurfCALL BACKSMay 5th (Monday) 630-8pm @ Tom River East High School TurfTo Register for tryouts go to: https://pdasoccer.wufoo.com/forms/2014-pda-shore-girls-u9u18/
EDP Results Everton vs. Nj Wildcats 2-0Copa vs.SDFC 5-1 Oooouch!!!!
SDFC 5 VS Copa 1
"toms river has two teams. but because of ego problems with the two coaches you will never see there best players on the same team. toms river has a lot of talent. if they put the best players from both teams on field they would be a force to recon with. but because adults act like clowns you will never see this. sad......"adults acting like clowns is par for course in this day and age unfortunately...that said my daughters team too could be a powerhouse if 6 other superstars from the state came onto her team...go figure...what is really accomplished?the fact is one of the TR teams (Milan) is a quality team but certainly not standout. I am bothered in the fact that a " US National Player" coach who was a keeper, runs a team that never uses their keeper once in a game. This is most likely because they are afraid to potentially give up a goal and lose a game. A total embarrassment from a developmental perspective. If I am wrong tell me why.I HAVE NO DOUBTS they would take 3-4 quality players and dump 3-4 of their existing players. The other TR team (Everton) is a bit higher quality team but lacks the number of athletes to compete the the very top. Just a fact and no shame in this. Coaches are caught in a weird situation now too. Instead of being able to focus on further development they now have to worry that after every loss the PDA mosquitos are buzzing in their players/parents ears. YES, these coaches too would like to add real quality to their roster on the cheap and possibly at the expense of existing players. Unfortunately that is the way in youth soccer right now. YES, obviously if you pair the best of both teams you might be a stronger team but where does that leave the remaining players? What have you really done?Both teams are quality. Not standout, but real quality. MOST of us would be happy to have daughters on these teams. It does not mean they are without faults (because they are) but they are places where good soccer can be played with good coaching/training.Also keep in mind that the shortcomings I point out could be said of most teams. Club, Academy, etc. VERY few teams willing to commit to their rostered players and to the endeavor of development. TOO much focus on winning.I'd just love to see these teams play better with the players they have. It may not get them to be '#1'...SO WHAT?DCShore
NJSA Bulldogs NPL 1-0 North Rockland NPl
well said dc
DC are you saying the goalie should be a field player as well so that they continue to develop field skills even if they are dedicated goalie? Confused about what you just said about "never uses their keeper once in a game?"
What I believe DC is saying is that the GK should be involved. Defenders should not be afraid to drop the ball to the keeper. Our club has the GK train at all practices with the field players. She has an extra night for GK training. Her competence with possession shows on the field as she is often passed the ball to maintain possession. This means when it is dropped to her she isn't just bombing it down the field but passing to open players. Of course there is times when a bomb is the only option but it's a last resort. I this is started at a young age you will give up some dumb goals then but once they are older it's second nature and rarely is a problem. If you don't start young your going to be working out the kinks in 1-0 games instead of u10 5-4 games. Your choice. Or don't do it at all and you have let out an important part of your GK and defenders development.
Observing TR Milan play several times I cannot help but notice that the only time their keeper touches the ball is in the process of making a save or taking a free kick. I never see the ball being worked back to the keeper during the course of a game for tactical advantage during the match but it is also an important developmental aspect for the keeper and all of the players on the pitch. I cannot imagine why. I am talking about 3 full games of observing this. This is ESPECIALLY puzzling given the coaches own pedigree. Please do not interpret this as an attack on the actual player. I'd just like to see the trust in letting the keeper do more and thus develop further. SO WHAT if you lose a game or several?
Exactly 9:46. Much better said than my response after it. DCShore
10:29-I agree. My daughter guest played at the Baltimore Mania tournament. There was a perfect player drop off area in Gail force winds and driving rain/sleet. Elite tournaments had their people park in the drop off area blocking it then forced parents to park 1/4 mile away and walk in. Players included. Anyone attempting to drop off got screamed at. Unprofessional at best. The weather was horrible and people were frustrated. Elite only added to it by their actions. At one point a referee asked that a practice goal be moved. When parents moved it an old guy from Elite started yelling at them. I already went back and asked out club president to start boycotting their tournaments until they realize they are a customer service company. Along with some others reports from our club coaches he agrees. They get to much money to be acting like Marine Corp drill sergeants to grown adults. Hopefully the brothers get the word and calm their jets. They have a good guy there who is a pleasure. Let him do the talking.
9:46 thanks for explanation. Goalies at this age should be fully integrated into the game at this level. We have been playing balls back to the goalie at U11? By U12 they knew where they should be playing all of those balls. Not always perfect but a process that has been going on a long time.
The other TR team certainly has no problem integrating their goalie. Fully involved. College coach?
Anyone have any insight with what's up with FC Bucks or Penn Fusion? Both teams played well in the fall but are struggling a bit so far this spring. Kids switch clubs?
Bucks and Penn Fusion struggling? How?Because they lost to PDA,WC & STARS. All very good teams .
As stated before. Fc Bucks has always been a strong team. Not sure when those losses were but there is at least one Warrington girl (coaches daughter) on fc bucks. If there was a Warrington game perhaps they were missing a few. On the other hand Warrington didn't do well at Baltimore Mania so maybe she was at FC Bucks. All good teams thy played though. As far as Penn Fusion they have never been real competitive. Won against some better teams occasionally but never consistently compete give. Give them a year or two and they will find some better players. Or I mean develope some better player.
543everton goalie was trained almost her whole life by Milan coach. nothing to do with college coach she was trained by pro goalie and it shows. Milan goalie is new to team and came after everton goalie left to go to everton. so if you like what you see by everton goalie she was trained by Milan coach who is a pro hall of fame keeper!
I don't know the Milan situation, but there have been a lot of Hall of Fame players from many sports that have made lousy coaches.
True, but at least it can't hurt to have someone with all those connections and phone numbers.
everyone thinks there kid is the next mia hamm. lol. most coaches think they are better than they really are. and probably weren't very good as players. I rather be taught by a pro because he or she knows what it takes to make it too the next level.
My view is that a lot of these "professional" coaches come in with their D1 or pro backgrounds and know a lot about soccer but little about coaching a TEAM. I am sure that we have all seen firsthand a team of great players that do not function well together and a team of less skilled overachievers who are taught the game right.
Did you watch the last World Cup and Argentina - That team was coached by Diego Maradona and was awful but stacked with talent. Bobby Charlton also failed as a coach, Roy Keane and Paul Gascoigne too. I can provide you more or go through other sports as well. A Hall of Fame player does not equate to a great coach it's especially true when you are coaching 14 year old kids.
Thanks 4:42, I'll try to demean 14 year olds and their coaches and teams next time. Perhaps you'd prefer that.
3:27Very accurate observation imhoI will not say that applies to Milan coach. Again, my opinion. Tough to judge him on just a single point which was really the only thing that stuck out with me.12:52"everton goalie was trained almost her whole life by Milan coach. nothing to do with college coach she was trained by pro goalie and it shows. Milan goalie is new to team and came after everton goalie left to go to everton."I assume that you would not make something like this up so I'll accept it as the truth. Credit to Milan Coach for this keeper, credit to Everton for maintaining this part of her play and for allowing their backs to work it back to her."so if you like what you see by everton goalie she was trained by Milan coach who is a pro hall of fame keeper!"Ok, fair. It still does not explain the Milan keeper situation to me. Saw them play in 3 games over the course of 18 months. NOT ONCE to the keeper. Are you telling me that Milan has switched keepers int he last 18 months? Again, I'll take you at your word but I could swear same young lady. DCShore
DC Shore, I have watched a lot of youth soccer and unfortunately, the game is most often played straight up and down. It seems to be that many teams have a single minded obsession with attacking the goal as quickly as possible. It works until you hit 12/13. At this age, you often start to see the separation of good soccer versus up and down soccer. I think it as much of an indictment of how kids are taught at a young age as it is a single team playing back to the goalie,
5:14 Fair Observation. Yes too many teams, even those in the 'top' sadly, only know how to play the direct model style of play. That is to put it politely.DCShore
Are we now talking about individual kids on here? That can never be. But just to end this silly conversation about a great guy, a certain keeper and her parents have never ,ever forgotten where they came from and why they are a keeper in the first place. It takes many years and many voices to get all these girls to where they are going. Some leave to find other challenges, thats all. Some are lucky enough to find a great guiding voice more than once. A voice that takes what you have learned and adds to it. Hopefully all of our daughters can be so lucky.
I'm not sure if there where you see the criticism of an individual player, what I read is that there is coaching criticism that ball is not played back to the goalie, and then there was a discussion as to whether HOF players make good coaches. I think you may be overly sensitive.
IMO- some of the best coaches were not the most awesome players. The best coaches may have been the guy who had slightly less athleticism. He had to rely on technical skills and game awareness/ knowledge. He wasn the fastest but made perfect runs on offense, perfect angles on defense. He didn't have the hardest shot but could place it. He wasn't greatly recognized by fans but ask the all-star and he knows who made what he did possible. Often the Allstar is sick fast and super athletic. He didn't have to have the best touch or technique. He didn't have to have true technical ability. He or She was bigger and faster and unstoppable/unbeatable. That is who typically gets the recognition but may not make the best coach.
I wasnt saying we were criticizing kids , I just said individual kids should never even be discussed on here. And as far as the coach was concerned ,we were always were very happy with him and never had a problem.
It looks the the consolidation is continuing. Seems that all the best town clubs are being swallowed up by Academies. I haven't heard it first hand but it looks like World Class is going to be taking over North Rockland. So PDA consumes one of the best NJ town teams and now WC and North Rockland. WIll tell if it is a good thing, but I can't see how taking lower cost good options away from kids is good for Northeast Soccer.
We will see if that is true or not. One thing is true though, if Rowdies are now WC any new Rowdy girls that make the ECNL team their cost just tripled, maybe more.
It's sinister. My guess is most founders from many of these clubs had these type of activities in mind and founded their clubs PRECISELY to counteract such measures and keep the focus on youth participation (at any level).The price of soccer does not need to continue going up and up like this. Sure, Academies have their place, or at least they use to based on their original stated goals, but the money is still too plentiful I guess. You can't even find a rec league. In the future kids will all have to play academy or not at all. It all went from "my kids plays soccer" to "my kids plays travel soccer" in the future EVERY player will "play at an Academy"...or not at all.I feel bad for the players and families who are just unable to make the financial, time and travel committments.DCShore
The part no one is considering is that when you take away good larger town teams that can compete with the big academy's. And they do like it or not and now instead of six or seven good teams in a state you will only have three or four. You can talk all you want about teams having really good "B" teams but they will never let the "B" teams get to good to challenge the "A" team, The club and "A" coach would look bad. PDA did it with Athletica years ago. Now the so called "A" teams have to travel far away to get competition when it used to be in the backyard. The kids that are on the bottom of the roster of "A" teams that get cut won't stay in soccer at this age and play down a level. THEY JUST LEAVE the sport. I think soon you will see an even larger number of players leaving the sport if this trend continues. Instead of 3 kids trying out for academy teams only one will due to the time and distance of travel. You can say then only the better kids will be left playing then and you would be right but there will be less players because the ones that would normally develop later will not even be there. I think that US youth soccer should step in and try to regulate this but they will wait until it is to late. Kids are already leaving the sport for Lacrosse and Track and other things they can do at multiple levels. It just seems like soccer is saying unless you are really good and are willing to pay large amounts of money then we don't want you. So sad to see this happen.Just my opinion.
5:01 - That's been the issue with youth soccer in the US for years - To rise through the academy system you need to have money. The ones that rise to the National Team level have never been "the best" but "the best that can afford it". I live in an area that has large Hispanic and Latino communities and those kids live, breath and eat soccer. Every chance they get, they are playing pick up games on any patch of unused grass (or turf if they are lucky). Some of these kids, with a little proper coaching, could embarrass D1 teams, but they can't even afford to play rec.
You will all have a talk with your team's coach or with the DOC and here is the quote we will all hear, "It's about the girls and their development." I can't count how many times I've heard that over the last 6 or 7 years. Nope, it's about ego and money.
Any scores on toms river vs athletica state cup game?
Isn't pay to play ending at the US Soccer Development Academies? They are pushing for free play which would be great for those that 5:22 references but it will be the girls side and younger teams that will have to pay even more to subsidize the older boys academy teams. The only ones that can probably afford it are those associated with MLS teams like the Red Bulls do today.
Pay-to-play obviously allows only those children whose parents can afford the fees to be members of the academy, cutting out a wide swath of potential players. For an example, the fee for D.C. United's U14 team is currently $2500 per year. Many are going free, such as Richmond United.
Correct, and another initiative that is really taking shape is the inclusion of futsal as a part of the winter training regimen. Futsal requires an even higher focus on technique development, and so including it when it is difficult to play outside makes sense. Seems like a lot of the girls clubs are enacting this practice as well, which makes sense and will help develop more technically competent players. Any other initiatives people are seeing out there that is helping advance the game and skill set of US youth players?
Everton 1 PDA Atletica/ Gunners 0
5:01 - That's been the issue with youth soccer in the US for years - To rise through the academy system you need to have money. The ones that rise to the National Team level have never been "the best" but "the best that can afford it". I live in an area that has large Hispanic and Latino communities and those kids live, breath and eat soccer. Every chance they get, they are playing pick up games on any patch of unused grass (or turf if they are lucky). Some of these kids, with a little proper coaching, could embarrass D1 teams, but they can't even afford to play rec.
Yes, we’ve seen progress but we still have a long way to go. Sometimes it’s surprising for people to hear there are a number of non-MLS clubs that are providing full scholarships for their players. They have moved away from pay-to-play. The MLS clubs are leading the way, but that’s motivated the others, especially where an MLS club is a neighbor and they want to continue to compete with each other, which is healthy.
Wow TR, and you wonder why your team and the parents get no respect on this blog. You beat Athletica, congratulations, but do you really need to puff out your chest and make people think the win was more than it was. Anyone can go to Got Soccer and see that your team has lost most of its recent games against tough competition and the team is on the decline, no need to try to make people believe that you beat the Gunners tonight.
What the MLS does has little to do with Girls soccer. Unlike the boys side, the Academies do not essentially eliminate high school from the girls Academy programs. The fact that girls play high school for 4 years rather than with their clubs for a full year is damaging to development and growth of good soccer. The boys academies recognize the need for a near year round program learning the game correctly. There is no similar mechanism for girls as there is for boys.
Atletica brought Gunners to the game tonight. I am not saying that TR beat the Gunners. It was a mix roster tonight
I am a TR parent and I think it was unnecessary for the atletica coach to bring gunners to the game tonight. Atletica is a good team and they beat TR 2-1 last season with their own players
Thank You Tr Parent. It Was A Good Game. Well Played By Both Teams. Good Luck To Your Girls In The Next Round!
Why is it whenever there is actually some real soccer talk on here it has to be interupted with this stupid stuff from toms river parents. And you wonder why no "exceptional" players are coming to your practices and will likely go to PDA Shore or other places instead. Please 9:45 and 9:51 continue to post and save us from the ridiculousness of these petty parents!
As someone who has tried to keep the TRE bashing to a minimum and defended them on occasion (and felt good doing so) I too am a bit surprised there are apparently a few parents quick to come out and sing their own praise.I understand the emotion given the circumstances and the opponent but don't you want to be above all of this? MAYBE some folks not associated with your team may pay you a compliment. Maybe they won't. SO WHAT?And as my mama always told me..."Sell Praise Stinks".**Soccer Talk**How Club and Academy coaches must cringe when they hear their players are preparing for High School soccer. A) the fear of players getting injured because they are running around like Beserkers, with a majority of refs unable to control play/coaches/parents B) the rework they will need to do once Travel begins back up because of all the bad habits picked up.I understand why young players want to play for their school teams. Unfortunately, and in my estimation, 95% of High School teams play Barbarian Ball. It totally erodes thousands of dollars and hours of soccer education in developing players. DCShore
@933 why is it petty to say the truth? PDA should not have brought Gunners to play, the only reason they did was they were obviously worried about the outcome. I hope everyone rushing to PDA Shore tryouts remembers that during important games, your girls will sit so Gunner girls can play.
10:36 unfortunately I agree with you. The level of play is typically much lower and its a much more direct game. Often times it is the big kid but with lesser skills that is playing and fear injury for some of the other players. Unfortunately it is the nature of the beast, but there is signficant value in the social aspect of school sports, too bad the quality of play for some (and I'm not saying all as there are obviously a few that play well) of these schools is not better.
9:33 why is it petty forTR, because you post something with no context. Was it 9 girls form the Gunners or was it one or two. Did the Atletica add Gunners girls who have not been getting much playing time and want the kids to ket field time or did they put out their strongest Gunner's players, has this been a practice that the Gunners do often to get playing time for some Gunner's players? No you simply want people to believe that you went out their and beat the Gunners. Wyy are you worried about what another club does, you beat a team that was carded under the correct rules of US soccer, you want people to believe that PDA has motives beyond what they really are. No one is kidding themselves, most people with knowledge of NJ soccer would rank the order of the Gunners, TRE , and Atletica the same way.
PDA has three teams at this age level, why interchange gunners to get playing time during Atletica,s state cup game?? Do you really believe that is fair?
High School… Where I live games are won by the team that has the last girl standing…
I agree with PDA or any other academy for moving players to fit the game at hand. This in my mind is the whole idea of academy soccer. Players are moved up and down as needed to allow them to receive the proper level of game time play. Toms River or any other larger club has the same option, the rules of US Club allow this and it is standard practice for numerous clubs. This technique is used all the way up to the US National team as players are added and subtracted based upon the game and opponent at hand. Bravo to PDA or any academy using this approach, you are doing exactly what you should be doing. A roster is a roster, if a player is listed they are able to play.
@105, good boy, you stayed on script, your little darling will start this weekend.
105I agree. If toms river has two teams and never swaps players back and forth when needed and cant manage there player pool. shame on them. seems like ego problems there. good players from tr will be leaving to play for academy teams because coaches at tr are clowns. and good players at other teams wont come because they wont want deal with this stuff. good job tr! you have plenty of talent but don't know how to use it!!!!!!!!!!
115wow you hit it on the head.
What was the message to the girls in the atletica roster that sat last night or played 15 minutes of their game?
at pda if players at top team aren't performing they are sent down. if a player at lower level is playing great they are sent up. whats wrong with that? that's called incentive and helps player that want it to succeed. and stops players who might be there because of who they are and become lazy for the fear of loosing there position. Good job pda. this level is about making high level athletes. if you don't like it go play rec! I GET IT and unless you were a top level athlete you probably wouldn't understand.
120the message is...........pick up your game. practice harder and longer. get better. and in life you are entitled to nothing. and if you want something bad enough and work hard enough you will attain it.... isn't that a better message then we owe you time go in sweetie.
Well said 1:31, you summed up competitive youth soccer in a couple of sentences. Play time is based on performance not some predetermined "fairness" time equation.
Yeah, I cannot agree with the PDA cheerleading on this issue. Sorry. My only knock on the Top Academies is that too often they do not fulfill on their obligations to the player/parents. Why take a check from a player if they are not going to see playing time at the expense from a 'in-house' transfer player. That is the best way I can put this practice. This is far from people crying for "fairness". While I can certainly agree that playing time is earned on each and every team, but where in any of this practice is there any definition of a team? If you have a player on the team, and you are taking checks from the family you have an obligation to them. While cannot guarantee 'x' amount of playing time you should certainly offer the ability for the player to step into a role if need be. If they cannot play majority minutes over a transfer player you should cut them. Not just take checks.Again, I'm not knocking PDA or any academy for their philosophy, their training, their fees or their performance. At least stated on paper. But PPPLEASE do not tell me that transferring players like this is anything BUT about winning. Shame on them. They should be above it.If the PDA parents are happy they will keep with the program but let's not try and redefine the practice as some kind of developmental strategy. PDA wants to win so it can market itself as 'winners'. They have a business to run and it is fair to say that.Congrats to the girls from both of these teams and any of the others still alive in NJ Cup. I hope to catch game or two this weekend.DCShore
113 Yes, I am right on script but not PDA's, this is soccer reality. At what point will you realize that the majority of larger clubs use the same plan? You could play the lower level bracket for town travel teams if you prefer. Accept the situation, the sun is setting for your team. But this is OK, you have many fine players who are welcome at any of the academies, they could do very well. If you plan to stay at TR that is fine, just don't bitch about the academy model because it is different from yours.
Any recommendations for NJ Cup games this weekend?I watch both Super and Premiere group games. There are diamonds (players and teams) out there I swear.DCShore
So how many Gunners did play last night? Nobody has answered that question. Did they stack the team or just bring a few girls over to get playing time for girls that have not been getting ECNL time?
An interesting matchup this weekend will be the STA/Jersey United game since nearly half of the JU roster playing tomorrow were with STA until this past November.
Premier league has a nice matchup with with the new #1 team in MD SAC Premier vs the #2 team in VA ABGC. Go SAC!
As a TR parent, I would love to see are parents resist the temptation of writing on this blog. it does make us all look bad.
Shows what playing tons of games and tournaments can do. You can get to number one and only win 55% of your games. You only won 55% of your games while playing most games against d2 teams.
There were 4 Gunners girls. THey played the entire game according to the Athletica parents I spoke to. And I could not care less. It was a good game. However, if you are saying that playing time is earned, they should be sitting their own Gunner bench. I have no problem with the "model". In fact, I would agree with it. But, I'm pretty sure they just wanted to win. Period.
As we also know there are many disgruntled former parents and staff of TRE that plant things on this blog just to get this type of debate going. I assure you 80 % of the back and forth on this blog about TR is the very same and only blogger playing both sides. The game was an awesome game. 4 gunners were there , and it was openly known by both side. And nobody cared. It made for one of the best games I have seen in a long time. It was 70 minutes of soccer beauty,that a couple of mean spirited,unrelenting pot stirrers can never take away from either team.
It would suck if it were true that the Gunners were not just to fill out the roster and played the whole game. Taking 4 spots and from kids that work their butts off all year just isn't right. How do these kids get experience in a big games if they don't get the time.
No real TR parents are on here blowing any horns. No one knows better than us the danger and ridiculousness of this blog. The posters on here are former parents and assorted haters. You can see the difference if you look.
Was it obvious who the gunners were?
There were 4 Gunner girls...and every one of them came out and sat during the game. The only players who played the entire game were Atletica players. They were there to fill the roster...maybe you noticed the two injured players not dressed to play? Clearly you didn't notice the one player who wasn't available and not there. No one would say showing up for a State Cup game without a full roster is preferable. TRE showing up with 2 subs is, IMHO, not something anyone would recommend. And the fact that people who have no clue whatsoever can come on a message board and stick up for the PDA "bench players" is laughable. How come I don't see you sticking up for the starters in all of the games where they only play 15 minutes/half in order to balance out the playing time? You know...all the games where the bench players get huge playing minutes at the expense of the normal starters? That's right...you have no clue about how it really works or when that happens. You just need to jump all over another team.On a different subject...as other posters have said...US Club permits the movement of players among rosters within a Club.It fosters competition and pushes the players to improve. My daughter plays on the Atletica...she loves her team, loves her teammates, and has no issues with the Club. Same with me. My daughter hopes she'll be a Gunner. But she's OK if she's not. I'm not paying to "support" the Gunners. I've never looked at it that way. Sorry to burst everyone's bubble...but my daughter has actually gotten a lot better this year (did any of you actually see that game last night? GREAT game...Both teams were outstanding) and we're all far from disgruntled.
It is all about the WIN!!!!
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