Would we be discussing it if it weren't PDA, probably not? Is it distasteful whether it is PDA or not, IMO it is.You are right on the quest for the $$$. The question for the people that organize the cup is what they want it to be. Is it the best 32 teams, is it all comers regardless, is it for teams that can't play in big tournaments but want an experience to compete in. After reading this blog, I still have no idea.
Eric, My last word on this. I agree that players have to come out ready to play, but I don't think Dan Reeves, Don Shula, Chuck Noll , or Tom Landry that when have have a team bloodied, beaten, demoralized, and without a remote possibility of coming back that you keep on beating and humiliating your opponent. I personally think very few coaches would agree with beating a dead opponent. Kind of like the horse I'm beating right now.But as a Cowboys fan, I think you lost a lot of respect on this board. I guess we will be watching you and Chris Christie watching a Giants Cowboys game together next season.
Did anyone actually watch the PDA games? Was it 4-5 Gunners kids filling in for Atletica and Pride, with the Gunners scoring all these points?
No guests at this game and none needed it was a mismatch from the start.
@8:09.. are you aware rosters are frozen and can not be changed once NJ Cup starts..
Gunners were rostered and played for the lesser PDA teams last year, I am sure it is the same this year.
Since you are sure, how many Gunners played last week and how many played in the cup last year. Answer: 0. I don't like that my club ran up the score, I don't think it showed class. But at least be honest if you are gonna post here.
If a basketball team is playing a mismatched opponent, eventually the starters go to the bench and the non-starters play. Is this what happened in the 13-0 win? Or the 8-0 win? Or the 7-0 win? I would have no problems with a 13-0 score if the additional goals were from non-starters who got a chance to play. It is about development yes? On the other side, did the losing teams keep their starters out on the pitch for the entire game? Tired girls = mental mistakes --> more goals. I hope all the girls on the losing side got playing time, even against the big bad PDA. It sounds like to me some parents want the State to ban certain clubs from playing in the state tournament. Isn't that called "discrimination?" Maybe these parents should move to Indiana.
Nobody wants any clubs banned, what I think people want is some integrity in coaching. PDA touts they are the best in development and college recruiting yet their methods seem less then ethical. For the DOC to allow his team to run up the score like that is just plain wrong. What was his post game pep talk to the team??
Would be such an advantage to play against a team if I knew their players were being paid with cash to score goals.Much easier to defend against a team that has no incentive to pass the ball.
this continued assault o PDA is just hilarious. The jealousy oozes from every post. We all get it, 13 goals is probably too much, but why there is so much fuss over an isolated incident is obvious - I understand - you hate PDA because they are successful. One lack of judgement ( is indeed that is the case) will not change the fact that they are by FAR the best Club in this area and it is not even close.I am not a PDA parent.
You may be confusing the Pride from the Gunners. What you may miss is that this is not new for them they have not been successful and have sought out lesser competition The common thread is no PDA, there's not a lot to hate towards the gunners, atletica, or the breakers. No one doubt's that PDA is successful, the reputation of the south team is almost legendary at this point.
Whats so legendary about this team?Better yet, why won't you dads that are on that team just stop and let the 15 year old GIRLS play soccer. Eric you were spot on.
April 2 at 4:03 is just a small start.
IMHO, when you come out to compete, you put yourself out there with risk.I would MUCH rather see town teams (more importantly their players) exposed to the higher competition EVEN at the risk of a few severe lumps and bad meetings. SADLY there is likely to be no such ongoing opportunity. Sure if we were coaches we might manage the game differently. We might not.While I am certain no coach wants to go into a match to get beaten so bad, a quality coach would take the opportunity for such a match in order to help their team grow, gain valuable experience and learn. Again, it's a chance you take. I am not sure of the mindset for any of those coaches but I bet at least a couple would do it again for the experience. I would hope that those dominant teams at least played the game the right way so it was a learning experience for them as well. I cannot speak for Voorhees but I have seen Twin County and Shore play in the past. Nice town teams. Certainly not strong enough to compete with the strongest teams but decent little squads.They may have run into mack trucks this time around but that is how it goes. Last year many of us (myself included) sang the praises of town teams like Toms River and Freehold. If any town team is to grow they need to embrace this kind of competition. I am a firm believer that the more matches like this they see the better they can fare in the future. In conclusion, running up the score is not what bothers me. I understand those who question it though. Maybe I should be more upset.It's just the fact that many of the town teams only get one crack a year at some of these teams. This level of play.Most of you know I am not in love with PDA, but it would be very disingenuous of me to get upset over the recent NJ Cup results. Not when I am one of the folks BEGGING for more open play. Which I believe is better for the players and sport.Best of luck to any of the players/parents/teams still in it.DCShore
As far as paying/offering incentives to players is concerned...ARE YOU FREAKING KIDDING ME?Parents, please get out of the way of your children lives (or at least sport) and let them enjoy enjoy the game for the sake of enjoying it and figure it out on their own. I thought that kind of crap went away after 7 or 8 years old.DCShore
@9:19.. that was spot on! Teams can learn from a loss like that, can also open the eyes of parents. There are levels to the game of soccer.. great post DC Shore!
DC I disagree with you, but I think you have made the most coherent argument why a 13 goal differential is OK. Especially the open versus closed argument is a sensible one and in that system you will get some large mismatches.. In a true open and closed models, some teams are ready to move to the next level and some are not, but a true open system would take away some disincentive for kids moving year to year and allowing smaller programs to try to build something.On the learning a lesson, I guess my view is that once you have learned your lesson is there any value to learning the lesson over and over again?There is a point where the lesson for a victor is winning with humility and respecting that while the other team is not at your level that they are out there competing. But every coach will have a different view on this.
DC ShoreYour off base why shouldnt the girls get performance incentive,That's exactly what is going to happen for the rest off there life.Isn't that why there playing for now perhaps a scholarship Isn't the rest of there life's income going to be performance based ??I'm guessing pro athletes love the game and also love the fact that when they plAy well they get payed well .Not a voorhees parent
Performance incentives for team goals maybe, but 50 bucks for a goal in a team sport goes against team play and fosters individual play. Selfish play and coaches who do nothing about it is why many teams under perform.
How is the recruiting going for girls this age? Is it about to begin with the memorial day tournaments? Are kids already getting interest or are they going on unofficial visits? Are they scheduling them for the summer? Our team hasn't seen much yet.
@310 could not disagree more. I don't believe in incentives like that for my kids, but you make a sweeping assumption. Rewarding a child for doing well is nothing new and will continue.
Individual incentives are wrong on many levels in soccer. Especially money for goals. Creating a reward for individually scoring goals takes away the team play that is required to play at the next level. Scoring a goal is only a small indicator of the level of all round play. If you want to offer an incentive, make it team based. Offer incentives for overall team record. Even though I don't agree with this at least it teaches the lesson that it is a team sport and you rely on each other and win and lose as a team. Most of the parents I know who have offered money for goals are not doing it to get their daughter to try harder (The kids play for fun and success not money), they are doing it so they can brag how many goals there daughter scored this week. With anything in life (sports, reading, school)it is better to have an individual who motivates themselves intrinsically so they develop a life-long love of the activity. The 1000 of dollars you are spending as a parent to play and travel for soccer should be enough of a motivator!!!
@324 recruiting is a very personal thing. I believe that several top schools have identified players they want. It is up to the families concerned whether they reach out or not. The process for those that have the talent and want to reciprocate, is well underway. It is a small community and the top recruits are no secret.
Not if it's the players job to score goals or make assist or as defender stop a one in one situation .It's a team sport but each player has a specific task and if the player does it well does it well why not give an incentive ?
@328 Disagree. No one is stopping any parent from rewarding whatever they see fit. Most top goals scorers have a selfish streak in them. I will also say that not every goal is a team goal and the scoring of them is the single highest paid attribute in the sport. Ronaldo makes a lot more than Iniesta because he scores goals. There is a myth that is perpetuated amongst many that a goal is the result of other peoples work - usually the HARDEST part is putting the ball in the back of the net.
That's your opinion The 1000 you spend in soccer never entersThere mind.Do you think they walk around thinking " my parents paid a lot for me to be participating in soccer . I am going to work really hard at practice and at games because I appreciate it ! " Then your delusional .These girls train hard 2 maybe 3 times a weekSometimes 2 games on a weekendDo they love it ?Of course they do , who would go through all that if they didn't love itSo why not give the something extra when they excel at itDo you really think they go out there with the attitude if I score a goal or make an assist I get $20No way man But when they do good what's wrong with letting know?Maybe they go out with there friends to Applebee's or buy some nail polish What's the big deal Come on man!
Ronaldo made one of the best passes I have ever seen against the US in the World Cup. That was his best decision. As a striker, he is often in a position to decide whether he or someone else is in the best position to score. More often than not he decides that he is the best option. Incentivizing the wrong behavior creates bad play. Would an incentive change behavior, yeah it would, and it is a coachesd job to reward or penalize a players behavior on the field.
Come on man!? REALLY!!!!! And that my friend is why they will always call your team the "D" team. You are still justifying paying your daughter 20$! For a goal @ the age of 15!
Take your kid to Applebbes or buy nail polish after the game, no problem with that. To pay a midfielder if they score a goal as an example will undoubtedly set up the wrong behoviors.
Wow this is so painful.As many have pointed out the 'incentive' could definitely be contradicting what is being coached. As many have pointed out this is a team game.As many have pointed out it can certainly interfere with a players decision making. (the most important factor)As I have pointed out, why put a kid through this? Why offer such lavish incentives if the kids are playing the game they love? Doing the right things anyway? How about just rewarding a player for a game well played with an ice cream, or a pizza. Or heaven forbid a heartfelt conversation tell them as much? A game well played...overall...and not just a goal/assist/specific thing?Parents did not reward their children for such things years ago. I recently read a biography on Lou Gehrig. When he came home to tell his parents he was quitting Columbia (University) to play for the Yankees (and yes make lots of money) his mother wouldn't speak to him for two months. Not because his parents were well off (they were pretty poor) but because in their eyes Lou was already achieving something magnificent as he worked towards his engineering degree.These days you can have an athlete who can barely read/write/speak get an offer to go 'pro' and the parents will throw a block party for them. Well, after they buy up the whole block to put place their mansions and park their cars of course. This is mainly because he/she is now getting "paid". Sorry, something is wrong with this mentality. And collectively we have achieved this as a society. Thumbs down.There is a larger social commentary aspect to all of this. But who has time for it. I just wan't wait to see tip jars in front of the bank teller...so they can make a few extra bucks for doing...well their job.So back to soccer. You want proof your kid loves the game. Stop paying them and buying their performance. You are only crippling them for the future (all soccer aside). You want proof your kid is a great decision maker/player. Stop paying them.Stop puppet-stringing their lives. This is probably the most absurd topic EVER on a soccer message board. Which is saying a lot in my opinion.DCShore
@11:04 AM"On the learning a lesson, I guess my view is that once you have learned your lesson is there any value to learning the lesson over and over again?"---> It all depends on how the team responds. Impossible for me to know the mindset of every coach but I bet at least a couple would be chomping at the bit to play the stronger teams even at the risk of a large defeat. It is the BEST way to get better. Or just recruit better players. But if you are committed to development you accept some challenges.I can totally see how some players, parents and maybe even coaches would be upset but expectations should be managed. Why would you want to win the NJ Cup of State Cup if you are not playing top competition?Don't get me wrong. It is easy for me to see an Academy Coach or DOC looking to impress his customers with a large defeat...especially if they have been on the losing end against other town teams. A 2-0 loss by an Academy to a town team is WAY more embarrassing than a 13-0 loss. At least in my view. There is probably 1,500 2,500 more reasons to be embarrassed ($).Again, I will not fault the academies here. I applaud town teams willing to give it a go and can only hope their teams respond positively. That's the way it should be."There is a point where the lesson for a victor is winning with humility and respecting that while the other team is not at your level that they are out there competing. But every coach will have a different view on this."----> Sure. As I said in my first response. We may have done things differently had we been the coach. We may not. As I was not present at any of the games I cannot tell you how each team played. I cannot tell you how truly 'out-classed' each team may have been. Or what their body language was like during and after the game. The two town teams I am familiar with are nice teams. Perhaps on another day they would have achieved closer results. Perhaps not. It's possible to have played your best game, still lost by a large margin to a superior opponent and walk away with something learned. Sorry it is true. Just think of it this way. Maybe the Voorhees team that lost 13-0 would have been better off entering a small town tournament and taking home the trophy. Besides accumulating an extra dust collector did they really gain anything valuable? Any valuable experience?Or think of it another way. I bet most teams would jump at a chance to play FC Sky Blue or the USWNT. Not because they would win but because the experience would be tremendous. I believe some coaches at the youth level think this way. Most likely though not enough of them.DCShore
DCShore, I agree with you:"Why would you want to win the NJ Cup of State Cup if you are not playing top competition?"How can it be State Cup or NJ Cup "Champion" if you didn't play the best teams?13-0? Big deal. at U-15 they should understand - if they don't it's too late. Stop playing sports.
There are very few coaches that would let a score get to 13-0. You can justify all you want, that's a coach that feels he has something to prove. It's about winning with humility.
Well at the u11 boys level for the nj cup there were 3 coaches ok with winning 11-0 and one with winning 10-0. Is 13-0 so different, or maybe you all expect girls to be more "polite"?
so wHat? Is the point that because other coaches do it it must be right. Since you know so much about the NJ Cup, how many coaches were restrained boys and girls at running up a score. Is your argument really that a couple of boys coaches at U+11 did it so it must be right?
April 6 - 3:47. My 15 year old really does appreciate the money that gets spent on her for soccer and travel and equipment. She sees a parent work 2 jobs so that she can do the hobbies she wants to. At 15 I do not think it is delusional for a child to appreciate what a parent provides for them. If you have a 15 year old who doesn't appreciate the things you do, and you have to pay her $100's of dollars to score goals I would suggest that someone is on the wrong path....Anyway, I know this is a soccer blog but there are many things outside of soccer that can be taught in this team sport. I have met some great parents and kids through my daughters hobby and wouldn't change the experience.
@ April 6 3:24 PM Only the top players on the top teams are being recruited at this age, at least from what I’ve seen and heard. After talking to parents of the older kids in our club it appears that late sophomore, junior year is when the offers are starting to really get thrown around. So as to have a point of reference these girls are mostly NPL level players getting D1-D3 offers with some type of financial benefit with the amount of money dependent on SAT and GPA.
Pride will win NJ Cup and shut everyone on this blog up!!
9:11 Let them win it first, I guess you've written off Virginia as a realistic place to be successful.The next game should be interesting, It will be a great recruiting opportunity. Will your coach invite 3 of the kids to practice for the rest of the year while carded for another team?
@9:41, you know it, he does it every year!
Copa wins jersey cup Fact
Name the facts you have that Copa will win NJ Cup.. you are mighty confident, a couple of other good teams still standing.
There are 5 or 6 teams that can still win the Cup. That's the fact, and if last year proved anything, anyone can win on the day if they play good soccer.
@ 9:41,coaches don't reach out to parents or players, parents contact coach because they are looking for what they think may be a better situation. Even if coaches did invite players to come train, if parents or player were happy with there current situation they wouldn't accept offer to come train.. common sense would tell you people don't leave happy homes.. hmmm
I have no issue with parents talking to coaches. What I take issue with is allowing kids to practically train with your team for an entire season when they are carded and still playing for another team. You do not see anything wrong with after training with a competitive team for 4-6 weeks, playing with the team you are carded with against the team you spent the season training with? As a coach, let the kids come to 1-2 practices to see them play, if you they want to train with you the entire season than take your card and leave. It is wrong from both a parent and player perspective to play both sides There are a lot of firsts with this team which makes them legendary. I have seen kids leave a team and be invited to train the remainder of a year with another team, I have seen kids come to a few practices to be seen by a new coach. I have never seen before kids training a season with another team while playing an carded to a team to another team especially one they will meet in competitions.
Coaches will not turn kids down from training, your complaint should be with parents who are doing it, parents want to be there or they wouldn't go.. if a quality player ask to train with the possibility of trying out and playing with team next year, not many coaches will say no. You Need To Ask Yourself Why Players From Your TEAM ARE Going There.. Might Be Time For you to join them, just saying!
If training at other team is better, what is wrong with that. Kids are hopefully developing and bringing learned skills back to your team. Sounds like a little Jelousy to me, if they are skipping practice to train with another team then shame on them, if it's on your teams off day then... it's none of your business where and who they train with.. just saying!
This was last year, but I get all the stuff like ethics and sportsmanship it doesn't matter as long as you win right? Do you have another example of a coaching letting kids train a season while playing with another team, one that you are going to play against. Most coaches know better.
It was last year it just happens that the NJ Cup matchup is the same as last year but kids were training weekly with the team and in the same week they the coach coached against them in the cup. This is not a few trading sessions it' a whole season. Maybe its ok its something I haven't seen before.
What parent wouldn't want their kid training with a coach whose team wins by 13 goals? I better email him.
Ok back to the important stuff, next round predictions for the NJ Cup?
Just saw Copa this weekend and they looked very good, just can't get past a nemesis from NY in Quickstrike. I believe they are the best in NJ with the exception of the Gunners. JMO but they appear ready to take another Cup this year. Stallions will be the darkhorse, no pun intended.
Yeah, Copa, Stallions, one of the PDa Teams. I don't know if freehold or TRE can hang. It looks like freehold and pride have the easiest path to semis unless rush surprises.
I think the stallions are out of it ?
I see the same, Freehold & Copa-Milan have easy path's to semi's, Pride has upper hand in that bracket although I hear the Rush team is much improved over past year with new players. Really a tough call on the one bracket between SJE, Mercer, PDA Shore, any of those 3 could advance with my bet on PDA Shore. Last one standing, bet on Copa.
I think that there is a bit of parity entering for the top 6-8 teams as things settle from last years movements. Smaller teams break up and the kids wind up on one of those top 6-8 clubs. I agree that Copa seems to be the best of the rest after the Gunners, but I think the gap has narrowed and....on any given day.
Is Copa playing with legit players? Talk about ethics!
What are you talking about? PDA is the club who stacks teams b-d with ECnl players.
Better check there cards!!!!!
They are allowed to play in both as long as its a single club. Can't play state cup for one club and ECNL for another unless you are a discovery player. FCVA has an entire roster play both ECNL and USYSA champions league and state cup.
Stallions Stampede are not playing NJ Cup. That was there brand new B team.
Copa got busted at nationals for illegal players. Huge scandal.
What team and what league. Copa does not play in the National League
PDA parents could not take the heat so they start nasty rumors about Copa, classless.
Copa was busted last year. Sounds like the owner made Paul the coach the fall guy. The coach left the country. Same coach was accused of taking some funds too.
@ 12:22Lol. You have PDA OCD. Don’t worry, it goes away when you kid stops playing club soccer in 2 or 3 years.
Moving on, anyone want to predict brackets for Non- Ecnl teams at PDA showcase? Will they put top teams together or spread them out? Probably be better matchups as the group of non- ecnl teams still playing to win, not just showcase. Will PDA let the top teams compete and possibly keep college coaches from the ECNL games?The non- ECNL are still about team. Any thoughts?
Looks like PDA Shore got handled by Freehold 2-0 yesterday according to EDP website. Oh boy!
Score was posted wrong PDA Shore 3 Freehold 2
"The sky is falling!"
A PDA shore vs PDA pride match up in NJ cup would be interesting, my money is on shore.
NEFC vs PA strikers should draw more coaches than any of the ECNL games. PDA should set it up and not put it against any of their teams' games
@ 1253 . Not likely. I have seen 60+ coaches at mediocre ECNL games to watch certain players. It all depends on who asks them to come and who else is playing. to be fair, both good teams, but I am not sure if either team has a real top stud type player , like say FC Bucks do.
Slow your roll 656First Pda pride probably gets there because they have the easiest schedule .But Breakers need to get past Sjeb highly unlikely and then against freehold though breakers beat celtics in there last outing breakers are unable to deal with freehold kick and run style game I see it freehold pride with freehold winning on sheer tenacity not so much because they play real soccer
Let's start a chant. PDA! PDA! PDA! PDA! PDA! PDA! PDA!!Love them or hate them... Gunners, Pride, Breakers, Athletica....you'll see PDA in your dreams...We should all find something better to focus on....I hear underwater basket weaving is enthralling.
No more PDA south bashing, folks, the comments get removed by the admin.
Well then…..for a change of topic……I don’t think PDA will play against any non ECNL teams like PA Strikers. I have heard that PA Strikers have 2 very talented strikers up top and their defense is exceptionally talented. A friend of mine watched them play in AZ. Very impressed with the team. I think they are participating in the PDA showcase in May. I wouldn’t be surprised if most, if not all of them are committed to schools already.
Strikers do have an excellent defense including their defensive midfielder who is a regional ODP player. However, despite their ball winning d-mid, their midfield, in general, is very vanilla. Not enough creativity to score against the best defenses. Saw them 3 times this last year. Unless they added a creative midfielder recently to break down defenses, I predict NEFC 2, PA Strikers 0-assuming PDA sets up this game.
@ 0849 Why is committing to schools already a good thing for a 15 year old girl? Do they all know what they want to do academically? In my opinion, Soccer is a way to get an education, but at present , not much more unless you are one of a very select few. I would be in no rush to push my kid to commit unless there were really compelling circumstances.
Lets bash match fitRemember when they took a tiop 5 team homdelll and destroyed itAnd what was the result A sucky ecnl and npl teamCan I get an amen
@8:49 ECNL teams will only play against other ECNL teams at the PDA Showcase as it is an official ECNL event. The only acception is FCVA who will play a non-ECNL schedule at this event. I would like to see a PA Strikers, NEFC, Ponte Vedra, FCVA group. That would be as good as any ECNL grouping. By the way, none of the Strikers are committed to colleges yet. Only a small handful of 2018's are committed. I think we are still a year away for most players this age.
Maybe the admin kid plays for pda
@12:19 "Regional ODP player". That makes me chuckle. ODP is nothing like it once was. I am pretty sure most of the top players don't even bother with ODP anymore. I am not dismissing whether or not this player is actually good. Rather just stating that putting Regional ODP next to her name means hardly anything these days.
@12:19. Should NEFC and the PA Strikers match-up, do you think both sides will go all out to win? This is a showcase event and should be treated as such. Winning should be secondary. These teams play plenty of other events where winning is necessary, this shouldn't be one of them.
The GOAl is to win That's why they call it a goalllll!You showcase yourself by helping your team winGoal Get it
Girls I don't care if we win or lose just look goodPass the dutchy on the left hand side
Match fitI remember that debacle Don't get me started Poorly run org
my parents pay me when I get a goal, if my team wins, it is nice too
@ 5:55 You should at least check the standings before stating their ecnl team is sucky. They are in overall first place in the northeast conference, coming off a lopsided 4-1 result vs FC Stars. It’s still somewhat early but we’ll keep an eye on them. It’s only the second year of the team’s existence. As far as Holmdel breaking up or any other team for that matter, who is more responsible for breaking up a good team, the clubs or the parents?
@602, OR maybe the admin is a PDA coach
I beg to differ, regional ODP certainly does mean something. Maybe not as compelling as before ECNL, but on the girl's side, especially at younger ages, it means something. As far as participation of better players , check the spreadsheet which lists players' accomplishments:https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AriynKqmGsRwdGUyR1ZrSFFUbHFZblNCMnBNZnNqc1E&output=html&gid=5If you weren't in Boca Raton, you didn't see the coaches lined up on the sidelines. NEFC, TopHat, PA Strikers, and even PDA, FC VA, Bethesda and other ECNL teams have participants. In socal its Legends Carlsbad and again heavy ECNL participation. They definitely get a few wrong based on the 500 kids at tryout situation, the few nepotism and political assignments, but to make the team is an accomplishment still. Unless the kid has already been id'd into the national program, ODP remains a good vehicle for exposure to college and the national teams. Amina (sp?) Ekic, from Kentucky was id'd at ODP and became the darling of the U17NT this February. But don't let the facts get in the way of your disparagement.
@814 in the US, girls soccer is a middle class game. pay for play. If ID'ing top players is the goal, the current methods will surely fail. If coaches could be trusted, players would be emerging based on multiple recommendations from all these games they play. Instead you pay to go to an event and get evaluated on limited minutes. Making any "all star" team is clearly an achievement, but the end product will only be as good as the original inputs.I will say this, the ECNL has been painted as the big bad wolf and the NPL teams as the little engines that could-MYTH. I beleive that if you put Tophat, NEFC , legends in to the ECNL pool you would soon see that playing against well organized teams with good coaches week in week out is not straightforward. If you look at the NE conference Metro Div- any team is capable of beating any other team in that division. The coaches know who they have to stop and they are well organized.The top NPL teams would fit in nicely, but would find the competition is very tough indeed.
I believe that ECNL pay to play system is skewed in some areas and good for whoever makes the best out of it. Just because you pay a lot of money for a program, does not make it an ELITE performance organization. It is possible that it is ELITE from a dollars and cents perspective…..only the “haves” can afford ECNL…..so they better be “Organized”. Obviously, if you are paying top dollar for anything, you should be able to demand things to be organized. ECNL has a great business model. I am probably being passive aggressive. My opinion, most if not all of the top ECNL teams could not compete with a USYS National League team like NEFC, TopHat, PA Strikers, FC VA on a consistent basis. To the poster - 4/15/15 3:06 – After reading the commit comment about the PA Strikers prior to your post. If you were to take a poll from most girls playing soccer, aside from enjoying the sport of soccer, their ambition would be to play in college and/or the national team. I believe that if a college, that is on the players radar, approaches a player with a great offer, without violating some type of NCAA rule, they would jump at the chance to commit. Why wouldn’t you take that opportunity? I do agree that a 15 year old girl may not know what she wants in the next 2-3 years but I would go out on a limb here and say…..she probably has adults in her life (ie: Parents, Coach) helping with this decision. Again, my opinion, commit if you can, secure that college money if you can. 8:14 - Regarding ODP, I agree with you.
Which is better, be the best player on a weak ECNL team (Penn Fusion in our age group) or the 6-12th player on a Champions league team?
@ 9:43I don’t know the specifics of the exact teams you are referring to so I’ll give an opinion based on generalizations.As far as development goes, I would prefer my kid to play on the higher level team as a lower level starter then top third of a lower level team. But… it might be more fun for my kid to be top third, VIP on a slightly lower level team. Based on that I would let my kid make the decision with little to no input from me.
@9:43 - Big difference between 6th & 12th. 6th of course means your a starter while 12 means your riding the bench. I think the end of U15 or start of U16 is a little late to be trying to figure that stuff out. My suggestion is to stay put, but you should look at other factors such as cost, distance, and coaching. There are some really bad Champions League teams also. So your question is way too vague to give a definitive answer.
@925 World Class routinely beat all the teams you mentioned. I think NEFC beat them once. Clearly that roster has changed over the last 2 years, but I think you vastly underrate the top ECNL teams. In terms of committing, the money can seem attractive, but if the goal is to get a good education and prepare for life, i would rather my kid made the decision when a bit more mature to do so, as opposed to now. I understand that everyone is different. If your child is a great, sought after player now, surely injury aside, she will be in a year?@943 I dont think Penn Fusion are a weak team and numbering players makes no sense at all. How do you determine your ranking?
This is hypothetical for discussion( as if it is really clear what the player rank order is) but which player, assuming they play the same position, gets more and better college interest: The top player for Penn Fusion or the 8th player for Continental? Top Player for Penn Fusion or 8th player from PDA.Is there some stigma associated with playing for a weak team? Is there a boost if a kid wears the letters? Can standing out among a weak field of players help the kid get noticed? Or will the weak players fail to be able to generate a rhythm and flow that might bring out the best qualities in a player/
@1145 In my experience, the qualities that define a really top class player shine through irrespective of who they are playing with or against.
A top 25 coach told me that it is absolutely important to see a player playing against top competition to be able to get a feeling for the player's ability to play D1. It is less important who she is play with. However the level of the team will often dictate the level of the competition. So if that's a commonly held opinion, then it would seem that any ECNL team would support any player's ambitions. Similarly a National league team also clearly hits the mark. It might be grayer when it comes to many NPL teams and USYSA champions league teams since the competition can be inconsistent. Probably also holds if a team can make it into the top few flights at major tournaments like PDA,Jeff cup, CASL, Disney, Surf and Vegas
If a kid is not a top third of the top area team type player, is she even a top 25 NCAA team type player?
That's an interesting question. I know a kid who didn't even start and only played a half a game on an ECNL team in FL. Yet she got top 25 inquiries after the event. Its a little technical kid. So in that case the club coach's ranking was inconsistent with the college coaches ranking.
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Freehold lost 3-1 today in state cup game?
Freehold won 3-1
State cup scores please
SOUTH JERSERY BARONS MOVES ON
Would love to see SJEB take NJ Cup, they are a strong team with good coaching.
Are you serious about SJEB? Strong team compared to who? They will not get past PDA Shore, and I'm no PDA fan. Good coaching, you must be a SJEB parent. Enjoy the last victory, it's over.
So this is probably the last year to switch teams for a kid to get better exposure. This is the year some people might bite the bullet and pay the costs or drive the drive to have a last chance to maximally advantage their kid in the "game" of college recruitment. Will the ECNL or Strikers benefit as kids look to improve their chances of exposure? I am guessing this will be at the expense of some of the more local teams out there. Already happened in PA. Penn Legacy used to be a decent team until their best went to Penn Fusion etc. Now in "president's cup". Which local teams will also suffer a demise? Do people do this in secret and will some be left holding the bag of a gutted team after tryouts are over? Does that even matter because of the large roster seizes allowed at the older ages?
10:15 not sure SJEB is done. Last natch against PDA Shore was in November and SJEB won 3-1. And I am not with either team
PDA Shore lost to Freehold in November also.. should be a very competitive game, good luck to both teams!
PRIDE will take it all!
1242, only if the roster Gunners!
Someone on Atletica told me that since Gunners weren't playing in cup, they split their roster and added several Gunner girls to each, Breakers, Pride and Atletica rosters for cup play.
Go see a game, Breakers have same 16 girls they have played with from start of season.. fact! Pride may have less than that because of injuries.. fact! No Gunner players are added to either of those two teams.. fact! Go see for yourself. Can not speak for Athletica, before you keep posting that they have Gunner players,just go see for yourself. Roster are frozen for any team once tournament starts. Let it rest people.
If you are speaking fact, there are at least 6 Gunners that are also rostered with other PDA U-15 teams.
I know for a fact that the Shore doesn't have any Gunner players, there is a Shore player who has been playing with the Gunners recently. FACT!
Of course Gunners are rostered to their lower teams, do you really think the powers that be at PDA are going to risk losing NJ Cup to a (gasp!) town team??
It is no lie that at least 6 girls rostered for the Gunners and one other U-15. You can go to US Soccer and determine that for yourself. Whether kids are playing with the other teams, I have no clue, but kids rostered to 2 teams, definitely.
Breakers are better then gunnersFACT !They should play eachotherFACT !Why won't they let them playFACT!
Last post is just someone trying to stir the pot, let's not get off track..
Are you kidding Gunners will destroy the breakers Your are not even a real pda team
It is a fact that PDA has moved Gunners in the past to other PDA teams in high level competitions. It is a fact that are at least 6 dual rostered players as per US Club Soccer. Whehter they are are purposely moving Gunners to the other teams in the State Cup, it doesn't sound like it, but it is not fact but rumor, that the powers that be at PDA are desperate to have sucees on the non-ECNL teams.
What is a real PDA team? I think by definition, all PDA teams are not home grown developed teams.
Breakers don't need GunnersGunners apprently need breakers
A handful of players get to 'stick it out' on PDA. Make no mistake about this. But most current rosters are chock-full of recruited players or players who joined much later on their own initiation. I know a handful of PDA coaches. All soccer people for sure but some of them are simply not capable of actually developing a team. They lack the patience and/or skill set. DCShore
Breaker parent shushSee what you startedGunner parent
Hopefully that is not a Breaker parent.. as a Breaker parent, we don't get down like that!
My prediction, Breakers win the State Cup and next year will replace the Gunners as the ECNL PDA team after more success. We've been told the ECNL team does not have to be based in Zarapath.
We are looking at options to move clubs for next season. How come Match Fit Never enters the discussion on this board, but it seems like the ECNL is doing well in their conference and the NPL looks to be doing OK just looking at their current conference records?
Freehold Celtics knocked out by NJ Stallions Stampede first round NJ State Cup
State Cup scores anyone?
Any news out of the PDA (Shore) Camp today?Rumors Starting????
Sun Apr 26 10:30 am Match Fit Academy ECNL 1 v PDA ECNL 0 WOW I guess Gunners need HELP!
Send in the Breakers!!
SDFC 2-0 over COPA
The PDA discussion has destroyed this board. It’s a shame 1 or 2 obsessed PDA haters have made it their mission to always turn every conversation into a PDA bashing topic. I think it’s really only 1 person who creates 2 or 3 personalities for themselves to make it look like everyone hates PDA. I’m done here. There are other soccer boards that have quality discussion. Enjoy the PDA OCD.
@840 Agree. I have nothing to do with PDA, but eventually it seems all these soccer forums descend in to hatred and jealousy.
NJ in general hogs the board. I agree its obvious jealousy regarding PDA in general and Gunners specifically.
Copa appears to be in disarray after losing alot of recent games. What's happening over there?
I was at the SDFC-COPA game, it was a very good game played by both teams, SDFC did have the better of the play for the most part and played with really high energy and kept COPA from playing their game. Trying not to biased as I was there routing for SDFC, I was a little surprised by COPA's play, looked off.
I've seen Copa play several times. Some of the best soccer at this age group I have seen. I have also seen them play flat at times. HEY PEOPLE they are just 14 and 15 year old athletes who have off days. There is nothing 'wrong' with any of them.I also could say the same thing about Man U, Bayern Munich or even Barcelona.DCShore
Sdfc picked up a couple of good players and now they have a very nice team. They have beaten Stallions, Freehold and now Copa this season, probably catching them all unaware. NJ is a great soccer state - lots of competition. Nothing is "wrong" with any of these teams.
TRE 2 Freehold 1 Excellent game by both squads. First of the final 4 is set.
@10:45Sorry I missed that match.I was very close to going.DCShore
Probably time to start giving Match Fit some due. WHile people want to quickly annoint the Gunners as the best team in the state, Match Fit ECNL has been on a very good run recently which includes beating PDA and FC Stars.
@1053 World Class beat both PDA and MatchFit. No one is dominant. You could throw in the top NPL teams as well into that statement. if they all played the same schedule, I do not think any one team would emerge as dominant. To win these games, you need a solid spine to your team. you do not need 11 superstars. Both the MFit and PDA squads are probably stronger than WC from top 1 thru 11, but who wins is a factor of so many other things.
I hardly think any "top NPL" could take any of those three teams. The drop off in talent is too great.
I think it is possible/probable. Especially given the context of a proper season/schedule.DCShore
The teams that are that good should only play against equal competition, the only way to become equal is to train-train-train. For many of these young ladies there competitive soccer careers may end by choice or by not having a choice in the next couple of years. The time they have is now and they eitehr need to make the most of it or not. I leave all soccer decisions up to my daughter, if you dont want to go to practice thats your choice not mine. I only had to say that once.
Copa could beat all 3 on any given day
Copa does not even survive the cup.
Breakers vs gunnersMake it happen PDADon't be afraidLet the truth be shown
Copa vs PDA score in State Cup?
Great thanks. No much of a game, i would guess.
Hard to understand why Atletica was placed in same Showcase bracket with Copa, Quickstrike and YMS. There's NJ State champion, NY East State champion, PA East State champion... and Atletica.
Because it's PDA. Look at it this way, you should be surprised they even let those other teams in the showcase.
Heard coach of Breakers wouldnt drink the tea and was shown the door.
Yes I am surprised that they let those other PDA teams into the Showcase. Conveintly they make sure the ECNL never get to play the non ECNL teams.Can't risk another embarresment like Jeff Cup. Athletica parents must be requesting new bracket by now for their own tournament. Cops is weakest of three teams they will play. Gunners will be seen on Athletica team that weekend. No doubt.
9:02 Your daughter is 15 and will moving out of the house in a few years. It's time to grow up and move on.
Where is PDA Breakers coach going? He is very successful? What happened?
Great job by PDA, buy arguably the second best team in the state, screw the coach and tell him he's out after one season and PDA will say how they "developed" the team. To bad coach decided to get involved with the PDA he was close to having a team good enough to compete with the gunners without going there.
I am new to EDP. My daughter has never played in this league before. Is a Coach allowed to change the field on game day just because he prefers one over another? (turf/grass)Are they allowed to use guest players from another team at the same club? At the start of the game I overheard the parents saying one player was helping them out and later at the start of the 2nd half I heard a different group of parents talking and it seems there was more than one player from another team.
Live from the Pride NJ Cup game, Gunners are present and playing. Why cant PDA just play nice?
@2:59 - highly doubt it. If that's the case which gunners are playing - what are their numbers?
Trying to figure out this imaginary EDL NPL, so do all these regular EDP games for Copa, and others just get double counted for NPL? Looks like NPL schedules show no games played, is this a sham? Take games and post to 2 leagues?
PDA Shore Breakers 5. SJEB 0 - final score
SJEB Big loser today,game could have been 8-0 please don't blame the Referees.
Congrats pda your kids are the elite of NJ soccer but it's time u enjoy their youth instead of constantly posting about it 24/7
Congrats PDA, your kids are the elite of NJ soccer, but it's time you actually enjoy their youth instead of posting about it 24/7!!
Played a PDA team the other day and they beat us but the girls still were crying because they were getting screamed at. They beat us 6-0.
Sorry not 6-0 I meant 13-0
Should be two great semi final games. Four solid teams. Exactly who belongs there. Good luck to all of them. Hope I'm free to see both games. Predictions?
If it's true that PDA used some Gunners girls to "stack" their teams, it really does disservice to the girls on Breakers/Pride/Atletica. Doesn't the club think that their own teams could compete and go all the way without help? Won't the win (if it happens) be tainted in some way?
There are no Gunners playing on the Breakers. It's the same 16 girls that have played since the beginning of the season. Roster hasn't changed. Maybe people should attend a game to see for themselves. All this PDA conspiracy nonsense is really getting old. Get over it, move on and focus on the soccer.
Those of you stating PDA is "stacking" other teams with Gunners players are just plain ignorant American parents. PDA is an Academy, all their players belong to the club. The can mix/match any players in any team as they choose. Goes to show you don't know anything about Futbol. This is how it's done in the rest of the world.Get over it.
Regardless what everyone thinks, the #4 team SJEB got crushed by a PDA team that is not ranked. It just goes to show that Got Soccer is skewed and SJEB is not a top team in NJ. Say what you want about PDA, they won in convincing fashion. Either Breakers are really good or SJEB is so overrated. Pick your poison.
@ 9:35.. Did you hear them getting screamed at? The fact of the matter is that they were crying because their coach let them know he will no longer be their coach after this season. He actually praised them for their play against your team, what was there to yell at them about?
Got it. So we should expect to see some girls primarily rostered to Pride/Breakers/Atletica playing in the ECNL showcase bracket at the upcoming tournament? Good to know.
Did the Pride v Stronghold game go to OT?
Yes, exactly. If your daughter is good enough to be promoted from Atletica/Pride/Breakers they will get promoted to ECNL.My daughter played for Atletica and they took the best players and relegated those that were not performing.It's a system - if you have 80 girls on 4 U-15 teams, why would you no NOT do this? it would be stupid to keep teams just because of what, chemistry? It's an Academy, you town team people would not understand.Your daughter gets to play at the appropriate level - isn't that what you want?
@11pm Shore Breakers are currently ranked 6th in NJ; when they were NJSA04 Bulldogs they were ranked #1 in NJ at one point. If anyone has followed the girls you would see that this team plays a good technical game. Regardless of the individual scores/wins/losses per game, if you watched them play you would see they have always played a good game. Like any team they have wins and losses but they compete at most levels. Last year they went to the NY NPL Finals against NEFC and were tied 0-0 through the entire game, two overtimes and lost in PK's. They work hard and they play hard and that's just a fact. It's just about the soccer - no theatrics, no shirt/shorts pulling, no dirty physical play. Anyone who's been around soccer long enough should know that rankings don't paint an accurate picture. Some teams chase points, while others have their success measured by whether they played a good, solid, technical game. Often times good teams aren't represented by their gotsoccer points.
The Gunners brought a kid up to play from the Breakers recently. If you kid doesn't play for PDA how do you really even know anything?
I live in South Jersey, yesterday I figured I would take my daughter to watch what I thought would be a very competitive game between Breakers and Barons. Breakers were solid from start to finish and Barons looked like they were overwhelmed by the intensity level Breakers played at. I was very impressed with Breakers but will be more impressed if they can play that way again this coming weekend. Sometimes it's just your day, we will see. Hats off to a solid performance by Breakers and good luck to all teams in Semifinals.. any predictions? Let's try to keep it mature with comments, no need to bash any of the teams left standing. Let's go.......
Copa and Breakers in finalBreakers take it 3-1
Pride and Breakers in Finals. PDA wins
I think 12:05 is discussing the wrong issue. Every other ecnl club BUT PDA takes the top kids by u14 from their 4 teams, to be on the ECNL squad. PDA instead has a model where they keep their 4 teams seoarate with zero to little consolidation. But I am hearing now at the U13 age that PDA finally realized they are not competitive with the "4 separate teams" approach and are managing an 80 girl roster ecnl squad instead.I think what parents are discussing on this U15 blog is the fact that 1) not only does PDA keep their 4 teams separate and not integrate girls on teams B-D into their ECNL squad, but they go 1 step further and 2) bring Gunners girls to teams B-D to bolster the rosters of those teams. It's half ass backwards and doesn't develop the girls on the satellite teams if gunners girls are sent in to win the big games.So yes academy teams typically give opportunity to various kids to guest with the top team, but at U15 age PDA seems to just give opportunity to ecnl girls to play games for all 4 teams.
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