Sadly, we really are not the top of Women's international soccer. Superior (though diminishing) advantage in athleticism aside, the game being played by the USWNT is NOT the best. The rest of the work has caught up to us athletically and a handful of teams have already passed us technique and IQ-wise.DCShore
AgreeBut its not the ECNL thats the problem. It is selctors who can't move forwrd from the athletic direct one dimensional game with which the US has been successful. There are plenty of wonderful creative players about whom the USSF is aware. They are starting to be identified on the boys side, but the girls coaches are yet to embrace a more technical style suited to the creative players. here is a link to a video of one of the most creative '98s in the country (plays for the national title deaza force team coached by...her dad) Note that she does not play up and even is in fact at the older range for her team. However small, technical, late bloomer, players are rarely successful playing up. Note also that she was recently cut from the U18s who will be our u20s in 2 cycles (2018)I hope you enjoy her video. I will hope that the coaches wake up to talent like this and grow up enough to use it to restablish US supremacy in women's soccer. its out there its just not being selected.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IfCLXIoaDg
@10:04 Looks like a very nice player. Nice video production also. I didn’t see anything uniquely special though. Another run of the mill, top third ecnl type player. If that’s the style you want the girls playing, everything’s going to be fine. The games I’ve been watching have many girls playing that style with equal touch, technique & tactical abilities. I’ve only been watching the womens game for a few years now but I thought the USWNT is considered the best in the world. Is that not the case? From what is getting posted on here, one would think we are not even in the top 10.
U20 knocked out by NKoreaU17 didn't even qualifyclearly some basis for concern over the future
Don't have any answers but it is very unclear to me hoe we can hope to compete if most players are eliminated early because of the high cost. These top clubs choose from the pool that are in a position to pay. Obviously that includes many good players but it is enough? Seems unlikely to me.
Enjoyed the video. Great player. Did not watch every minute so I may have missed it, but I did not see many highlights of her defensive capabilities. Not an expert though. If any coaches are out there, I would be curious to hear your opinion of this player's strengths and weaknesses. As best as can be discerned form a highlight tape.
Would think that wins & losses at u17 & u20 are not as important as identifying & developing the few players that might make the World Cup or Olympic roster one day. The USWNT is fine & the sky is not falling.
many pundits would disagree. We haven't won a world cup since 1999. We are getting beaten by more technical teams and the African nations will soon be putting forward more athletic teams. Keep you head in the sand because fortunately I think there will be a reaction in the youth national teams, especially, if we fail again next year.
The U-17s did not even qualify, how do identify players if they are not even able to compete at the highest levels. The U-20s with the exception of 1 game were pretty awful in the World Cup, so what do you do, scrap the whole team and start identifying another 25. The USWNT has an over reliance on aging stars, and will be severely tested in the World Cup. The same USWNT came in 7th with all of the top players except Morgan there. The signs are there. The USWNT has currently has 4 players 25 or under. The German National Mens team that won the Men's World Cup currently has 15 and I think had 18 over the summer.
Don't get your point 1235?
The point is that at every level, U-17, U-20, or the USWNT, our youth has not been very competitive at the highest levels. When you see it at every age level at the top of the pyramid, then you have to take a hard look as to whether our current youth system is putting the best out there. The U-17 is a current indictment of the current system because they didn't even qualify for their world cup and that is the first group where the majority of players would have come from the ECNL.The Germany point is that the German Men's team several years back went to a complete Youth movement and it yielded a lot of benefits to their men's program. The fact that our USWNT coaches do not believe that they can build a competitive world cup team with youth is also an indictment of what our youth system is producing.My personal view is that there is a correlation between the narrowing of the player pools very young and the output it is producing on the field.
Germany is a top soccer player producing machine. We will not be competing with Germany any time soon on the men's side. f they can find the girls like they do the boys, probably not on the women's side either.
How can we possible be putting the best out there? To try to play at the highest levels in this country is simply out of reach financially for the majority of families.
The point on Germany is not that whether we can compete with them or not on the Men's side. Read the post. The point I am making is that Germany built a team with youth with more than 50% of their National team being under the age of 25. With the current state of US soccer, by the USWNT standards, we can not build a a world leading women's team with more than 4 women under the age of 25. Has our youth program regressed so much that at U-17 we can't qualify for a world cup, at U-20 we are embarrassed and at the USWNT level we have very little youth. This is what our current closed pyramid is delivering.
Its the second u17 world cup we didn't qualify for. Agree, Hoping that change is in the wind, but worried its not. Sermanni...
@11:11"If any coaches are out there, I would be curious to hear your opinion of this player's strengths and weaknesses. As best as can be discerned form a highlight tape."---> I'll start off by saying this player is a very nice athlete, exudes a lot of confidence with and without the ball, and appears very much to be a gamer. All great qualities. Unfortunately it is a highlight real. MOSTLY centered around goal scoring. Go figure. So much more of how the player plays and reads THE GAME is required to make any kind of overall evaluation though. Simply put, not enough situation play to see what kind of decisions the player is capable of playing.As far as what kind of GAME is on display. It really is typical American Soccer imho. Again, not totally fair to say because the clips are a highlight real, but from what I observed all of the play involved one, maybe two players. I did not see any "decision-making" going on beyond "kick the ball up" to the open/overlapping player and "outrun" the opponent. Again, based on what is seen a lot of positives from this player but it is really difficult to know if the player understands and is capable of playing THE GAME. All of this said, I'm sure a lot of coaches would give body parts up to have a finisher like this young lady. There is something to be said for that.DCShore
As far as our National Teams go...more about marketing than success.Klinsmann will likely ultimately fail, or rather be sacked, because he does not realize this. Leave Landon Donovan (or whomever) off the roster and you get roasted. Criticize the MLS...same things.On the women's side I said my peace already. We missed an opportunity in the 90's to capitalize on our early success. Instead we went directly into marketing mode. A coach recently got sacked, I mean left, because he was trying to change the dynamics of the team game. Oh well.TOO much money around the sport. At the end of the day priority is to; fill seats, fill club memberships, sell T shirts.U.S. soccer continues to struggle. Looking forward to the Spring. Not enough soccer in this age group going on right now.DCShore
Deanza Firce '98 won the U14 national ECNL championship and I believe was runer up at U15. They are remarkable. I will conceed that perhaps you didnt see enough on Luca Deza's reaal, though I think its obvious that her soccer IQ is off the charts.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqYCokpGQb0
Since when is this a California Blog, I am no fan of PDA and I don't like their model, but they have a two players that will match any girls playing in the country, and you do not have to watch a highlight reel to see them. If you want to see some great players in person, there is on on the U-17 ECNL team and one on the U-18 ECNL team that play at the USWNT U-20 land U-17. There are a few other top top level players to go see from our area.I believe there are currently 4 players from NJ on the U-18 WNT.
Yeah, well i almost did't bite on the whole "evaluate question" precisely because it was an absurd request in the first place. As i pointed out it was only a highlight real. Based on that clip i thought my eval was fair. I will take YOU at your word don't have time to look at more clips now, but please do not Ever confuse me with someone who equates winning and championships with knowing THE GAME.DCShore
Found seconf video helpful. The play was set up with a written title before the clip played so I knew what to watch for. Eucational, I will show it to my kid.It is offensive highlights again. Wish there was one like this highlighing with grat defensive plays. Alas, my kid's team spends much time on defense! LOL.
1150 you are clearly not to whom I was directing the Deanza Force post. I posted it in response to some questions regarding LD and not having seen enough of the build up etc to determine quality. It is a post about soccer style of play and the possibilities of the girls game. I am unaware of any PDA youtube public videos or I might consider posting them. Regarding defensive plays, the guy who made the videos has graciously done one for most of the kids including the defenders. If you are interested, here's one:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o25oNz7-0MAyou can google "Deanza Force '98 defender" to see others.By the way I am a coach and have shown these videos to various female players so they understand what's possible. If you dont appreciate the quality, then dont view.
The basic problem with girls soccer is that coaches both high school and 95% of paid coaches like the "direct style" because it gets you more wins than losses. It is high energy / high pressure bash ball soccer of some type or another. I have seen good technical players from quite a few teams get let go or minimized because coaches think they are not being very productive on the field. They are the ones holding the correct position. Other high energy girls who run around and chase the ball or the ones taking three players in a row on are taking the triangles out of the game. That is one of the main reasons why the Gunners are more successful than most they don't do that.Until we weed out those coaches and players and get to just playing the simple technical game. Pass when the pass is there and dribble when the space is there nothing will change.Just look at the players playing with you daughter and you will see the ones I am talking about. No My daughter does not play for PDA. Just like watching the real game.
Do you understand what happens often, but not every time, when a dribbler takes on players and pulls a defense out of shape? You dont want to cut that out of your game completely with technical, robotic, simple, one touches.I dont disagree that often kids eschew the "obvious, simple pass, in favor of an over the top ball that I believe they think makes them look "better" if the coach does not correct that decision then we get 50-50 jungleball. Most often you are correct, there should be simple short passes with good movement off the ball to create the passing lanes.But there still needs to be a player or players who can often in the attacking third create the unexpected. messi is the most obvious, but also Eden Hazard (sp?) is emerging for Belgium and Chelsea as a similar player. There are many others, Cesc Fabregas, Andres Iniesta, Ronoldo, etc.The point is there is a place for take on artists also. They must be taught the discipline of when to use it.
Anyone know when NEWSS will post brackets?After CASL what are most VA, MD clubs doing for tournaments? Any reason north teams are always willing to head south and southern teams really come north for our tournaments? Just curious.
Disney is the next big tournament after CASL
It's colder in the North and warmer in the South.
@10:12 - I believe many of the teams from the northern part of Region I haven't started league play yet. Many of the non-ECNL Teams from VA & MD are just concluding their league play and the ECNL teams are in the middle of it. After Bethesda & CASL, NEWSS would be 3 straight weekends, two with travel. The top teams in VA (FCV & Herndon) are doing CASL & Disney, and Herndon is also doing Bethesda, plus VA State Cup just wrapped up. FCV has ECNL, plus a good chunk of their roster is also going to Super Y Nationals in Florida in early December.
Not sure Herndon should be consider as a top team in VA since they did not win a saturated WAGS League.
Not one NJ kid on the '00 region 1 team, but 2 on the '99s. Last year there were seveal on the national camp roster.http://www.usyouthsoccer.org/rosters_announced_for_2014_odp_girls_thanksgiving_interregional/
I love the fact that the two 99 girls are NOT from your elite academies! Way to go girls!! You did it without your parents paying out the wazoo!
Congrats to all who made it. For sure some serious head scratcher decisions, but all players must be solid to be included. I know the '00 a little better. There definitely were some PDA players at camp and in the pool. Were there many '99 PDA players at camp in RI? Just wondering if they even tried out. PA '99 dominated by Penn Fusion, but it is an excellent point that '99 are not ECNL.
Is it really a surprise about other NE ECNL Clubs? Penn Fusion actively wants their kids to tryout for ODP because their coach also coaches the ODP team. Most ECNL dis courage participation in ODP although they do not stop a kid that wants to try out. USYS has actively commented that need need to draw the best kids back to ODP and that the quality has dropped due to the lack of ECNL players participating.I know people would love to believe that the "Academy" Kids just aren't good enough to make it.
ODP is a good, or not so good experience based on the coaches. The 99's from PF are all new to PF this year, from non ECNL teams. Maybe they have not figured out that there is not a need to do both ECNL and ODP. Do not see the top kids from Bucks either. What I saw was a very watered down 2000 list. With many very good players not returning. Maybe a poor experience last year, but even looking at 99's and 98's very few of the starting PF players are on those pools. The 99's had great coaches last year also. Makes for a kid wanting to go back. ODP is not the only route anymore. ID2 and National Teaining centers.... Don't need ODP if your area has a national training center. Kids are invited, no try out. Year long training once per month, run by US Soccer, you either keep up or are weeded out . No fees! ODP is becoming less important with ECNL and these other talent ID programs.
@ 7:24 I believe there is a 99 from one of the NJ ECNL programs that is a natural u16, playing up at u17 ECNL. If she wanted to be on the ODP team, she would. The one year that we looked at ODP, if I remember correctly, it was $50 for the tryout then something like $1500 for what amounted to a summer select team. Many would consider $1550 “paying out the wazoo” for ODP.If what 11:12 says is correct, that is a good thing. The 2 or 3 kids per state, across all age groups, that actually have a shot at the national team should not have to be forced through the ODP system.
NEWSS brackets - http://www.gotsport.com/asp/directors/tournament/vieweventteamscleanb.asp?EventID=38730&Group=Girls_15Not published on their website yet, so they may not be final.
ODP is a pricey way for your child to potentially get additional exposure. But for sure there have been kids recently who have gotten to the national camps through ODP.Indeed the kids who have been to national camp often drop out of ODP because they already have received the exposure. For the kids that are the next tier down, but are late developers, ODP might offer them another chance to break into the system if they develop. Regarding the PA training centers. They have been in existence for about a year now. They only asked 6 clubs for players. And the clubs were surprises to some extent. They asked the 3 ECNL clubs, FC PA, CLassics and Penn legacy! Why you might legitimately ask not FC Europa and YMS which field much higher level teams at the '00 and '99 ages. because the guy who runs it is in Lancaster. The ECNL players are pretty much covered with id2 and ECNL national events, seems to me that USSF should be looking elsewhere, but that's me. As far as I know there have been no cuts nor adds. More importantly, the only kids from PA who were invited to the national camps were already invited before the training centers started. In fact all 3 (4 if you count KH who has dropped out) were definitely identified through ODP and the training center was non contributory. So ODP led to the national pool for 3-4 deserving PA players, guess it was worth it for them.
Disney brackets are posted.
Disney brackets have been out for over two weeks.
To Eric Harris,I see you have 2 daughters at PDA, U15 and U9. My daughter is U9 at a town team and is interested in PDA for U10 for the 15/16 season. That said, I see there are two U9 teams currently at PDA North, Lightning and Wolves. Which does your daughter play on and can you give me your thoughts on the coach and the style of play he's trying to teach? From what I can find, both teams are playing in JAGS U10 so playing up a year but flighted differently, Wolves in Olympic and Lightning in National. You said there are no "A" or "B" teams but is one better than the other? Just trying to get your perspective as we are researching the best options for my daughter. Many thanks for your reply!
Looks like 4 teams from area are in the Showcase brackets for Disney. All are non National league teams, good for them. Should be interesting to see if Disney can fight of NPL next year for top teams.FC VirginiaYMSQuickstrikeNEFC
@10:22amYes I do and if I were I would contact both the coaches listed on the website for both U9 teams. If I were you I would try to reach out to them today and see if you can just bring your daughter to a practice and let her practice with the girls on either team. PDA is a great place if you come with an openmind and with leave the win mentality at home and come with development of "YOUR" child and only "YOUR" child your child is going to love it. To be honest I really hope that you bring your child. If you never been up there and if your child has never been a part of PDA you are going to find out really fast how what 95% of the stuff people say on here is not even close. Yes the Wolves and the Lightning are in JAGS and one in Olympic and one in National. Its not due to skill level but more because I am the JAGS U10 coordinator and I wanted to make the brackets even as far as teams go. They both play the same schedule and the same teams. You are correct there is no A/B system as you will see once you come up. If you need anything you can call me or email me. Just go to the JAGS website and you will see my cell phone and email contact to reach out and I can go further into details that you may have questions about. Eric Harris
Of course they are not National league teams. The National league has its own bracket at Disney as those games count toward the league standings...
11:33 I think it was a statement saying it was nice to see some local representation in the Showcase brackets. The non - National league side of bracket will play the National league in the finals. So just relax the attitude.
Actually, FC Virginia is in the National League and are in the USYS NL bracket.
Not following you. They are in the national league and are in the national league bracket. Not sure what point you are making.
Oh I get it, my bad, you are saying the previous poster was mistaken in excluding them from the national league. Got it
Ummmm"I love the fact that the two 99 girls are NOT from your elite academies! Way to go girls!! You did it without your parents paying out the wazoo!"November 11, 2014 at 7:24 AMWhy do you think that one of the 2 doesn't (and didn't last year) play for PDA.Congrats to her its a major accomplishment especially to be a November birthday and make the regional squadhttp://www.usyouthsoccer.org/odp/_2014_odp_girls_thanksgiving_interregional_1999_rosters/
According to that link, they are both from high priced clubs. PDA & Copa
Yes Nov 11th you make it seem like they played for town teams or something what's up with that? Trying to make a point with no point to be made. Hoping no one would actually check?
The PDA player just joined PDA so let's not get too excited, PDA parents. Someone else developed her.
Played last year too. The point wasnt who "developed" her its that she recognized the value in the better exposure a top player can receive at a more well known club. The daddy coaches dont develop anyone. The kids who advance are getting the training elsewhere and most often paying for it.
7:48 Hear that?? That was me getting sick on the living room rug! Get off that high horse.
7:48 No, she didn't play last year, she played for a short time in the spring this year.
C'mon people , 748 knows, the only girls who make it are from the big academies. Since when does paying ridiculous fees equal soccer success? Just ask the PDA pride parents, not one is happy right now!
Many of the daddy coaches dont even train there own teams during the week so before pda it was probably just some other high priced coach like most of the higher level teams, so who ain't paying.
Does anyone know when they're suppose to post the brackets for NEWSS? I couldn't find anything on their website.
So is better to be the ugly step-sister playing at a big academy or to play at a smaller club.
SHOWCASE RED MANHATTAN SANTOS QUICKSTRIKEYMS NY ROWDIESALBERSTSON ECNL PDA GUNNERSFC BUCKS ECNL WORLD CLASS ECNLSHOWCASE WHITESMITHTOWN KICKERS MASSAPEQUA STRIKERSFC COPA MILAN ARSENALFC FIREFC DURHAM CANADA NJ STALLIONSEAST MEADOW ECNL FREEHOLD CELTIC
I posted this last week - NEWSS Brackets:http://www.gotsport.com/asp/directors/tournament/vieweventteamscleanb.asp?EventID=38730&Group=Girls_15
1257I think it depends. If the coaching is excellent, your child's (and your) ego can stand the "B" team designation, and you are willing to pay the fees, you can sometimes find a decent B team at the larger clubs. More often the kids who are on the bubble of the A team (best b team kids) leave after losing hope on moving up, and there is a big gap between the quality of the A and B teams (ECNL- NPL) teams. That said, at places where the B teams get decent coaching and facilities and there are fewer surrounding options like FC Stars, the B team might be one of the best teams around. Also some realistic parents say, hey my kid is not an A team kid, she is going to play club soccer or d3 in college, so why are we paying out a mortgage sized payment to her club and traveling all over the place. Those parents go back to a smaller club or a lesser team. Its a personal decision. My personal decision would be based on the coaching and my child's goals if they match her actual potential. I would try and match the best opportunity to her goals and abilities. However, I think parents have a very hard time realistically assessing their child's abilities compared to their peers. Then the excuses start: Not in the right position, kids don't pass to her, kids aren't very good around her, the team is loaded with "politics" ... and onward. At u15 you should have a pretty good idea where she realistically falls on the spectrum from impact national, regional level players (few) down to role A team players who are also often impact B team or smaller club players (lots of those) to the kid who just wants to have fun playing with friends or is not very athletic but loves the game. In region 1 most of the population has a decent choice of flavors from which to choose.
SJEB- loss 5-0?? How? Played PDA tough and East Isle tough. Ldc looked like weakest team in bracket??
Just checked out the Bracket, how do you get that LDC was the weakest in the bracket. They tied PDA, beat SJEB, and lost by a goal to East Islip. They beat SJEB by a lot more than the PDA team did. PDA, now that's funny, another town team loss, on paper wouldn't you have expected them to at least get to the finals. Are PDA and SJEB the best that South Jersey has to offer? Neither could muster a win against the two likely "daddy coached" town teams.
PDA B team looking pretty good actually.
Spoken like a true parent. How do you get that? 1-1-1 in a tournament including 2 town clubs, is that really where they should be competing at this point.
It's a B team. Do you expect it to be as good as the A team? Where should it be aligned?
What are the 2 town teams??
LDC (Lower Dauphin) and East Islip.
Lower Dauphin is hardly a town team. No shame in losing to them. 5-0 is a little rough.
I'd expect a B team at PDA or an A team at SJEB to be beating locally coached teams. Outside of the ECNL name it supports the point that their is nothing really special to the Academy name once you get past the ECNL.
LDC is somewhere in between a town team and a true Academy. The real point that has been debated to death on this site is the value of a PDA type of name behind you doesn't seem to mean very much. If you are a PDA NPL team or SJEB and if your coaching was better and and it was the place that kids want to get developed as I was reading here last week, than those clubs should be having a bit of an easier time of it in these types of tournaments.East Islip beat or tied all of the teams mentioned, So for all the hype and movement of kids over the last year, it seems that maybe PDA's ECNL team is the only team in NJ that has shown any real improvement.
Looks like the local teams did not fair too well in the Bethesda tournament. I can understand Bethesda because they have not started their season, ECNL. But what happen to McLean and Herndon, no excuse for them. They are okay teams and probably should not be placed in the top level, it showed this past weekend.
How can you say PDA b team is looking good? Same old style, no improvement this year at all.
LDC is L Lancaster D Dauphin and C Cumberland counties. United. There are kids from those three counties at least. Coached by the City Islanders coach who is very well respected. If only they could grab the kids traveling to Philly to play for the Strikers and ECNL they would jump a level. Not sure why they don't all play there.
PDA B, C, D will continual to struggle from success perspective precisely because they are the 'money pools' from which plays on the A team (and some of the stronger players on B) receive their discounts. They are only set up to achieve a certain level of success. The funds are needed elsewhere.BEFORE any accusations are thrown my way that I don't know what I am talking about I suggest you ask your coach ,the DOC and the head of PDA this question. Do all players pay the same?The answer may shock some and embarrass others. That said, PDA B, and C play good/very good games imho. Again, my opinion is that the problems players/parents have are missed expectations. Not necessarily on the soccer side. PDA has to market these teams as something more. Otherwise you are less likely to pay the money. PDA certainly wants success with every team but will swell rosters and take guaranteed $'s every day. It's what they have to do as a business. DCShore
Does anyone really think that the doc at PDA really cares about the success of the B, C, D teams? As long as he can fill the rosters with paying "customers", the only results that matter are the ECNL results because they do reflect on the club. As long as there is a market- any market for the B,C, and D teams, there wont be any changes. If people start walking and they cant fill the rosters there would be changes. Market driven like any business. there is a market for the B, C and D programs at their current price and performance levels. Don't expect any changes any time soon.
It's not the money, take away the perception that the "best" kids have to be at an ECNL club, and PDA's just another club. There are a lot of other NPL and next level down options. The lack of success coming from the other clubs in PDA has shown that there is nothing special in PDA attracting kids. One would think that with the "best" youth coaching and the draw of PDA for good players they should should be performing much better than they do. Or just maybe, the coaching is no better than anywhere else maybe even worse and the PDA name is not that strong. I actually think all the negatives around false promises and carrots constantly being dangled for kids has actually damaged their reputation for the non-ECNL teams.
11:46 Very good points. Playing at PDA for non-ECNL gets your daughter very little. Good example is NEWSS were various PDA non- Ecnl teams are playing in relatively low U15 brackets. PDA is aware of the talent on these teams and places them accordingly. On the flip side you have numerous other academies in top Showcase brackets playing the ECNL teams. Rowdies, Manhattan, Quickstrike, YMS, Stallions and others getting much more exposure by not being at PDA. Why wear the 3 letters when you can get better exposure and competition elsewhere?
As a parent, you have choices and make decisions based on what you want as opposed to what you need. That's with everything in life, some choose to drive that $60,000 car that gets you to the same place the $10,000 car gets you, that's your choice. Would I be wrong in telling you that you don't need that car and you are foolish for buying or leasing it? It's all a choice that we are entitled to make. I'm sure PDA doesn't force anyone to pay for them, the ones that do, do it because they want to for whatever reason. Colleges offer full scholarships to some, partial to others and nothing to some as well, is it really going to matter to you you which kid the college is giving full, partial or nothing to when you choose to send your kid there? Will you have to guts to ask the coach what he is giving to each kid, of course you won't! Remember, when you start that $60,000 car up today, you could have saved $50,000 on something less expensive and would have gotten to your destination just the same.. but you chose not to, does that make you a fool?
No that doesn't make you a fool, a hard working person should be able to decide how to spend their money and what benefits they receive. What does make you a fool is coming on to this blog and somehow arguing as people often do on this blog that there is something special about the training, coaching, and draw of the PDA name somehow makes your decision better than mine when the reality is that beyond the ECNL club which has a much wider drawing audience than most other clubs because of the ECNL. Outside of the ECNL, you have a club that is no better or worse than many other clubs, and it's not just this age group, it is across many age groups.
It still comes down to a persons choice, there are people who think IPHONE is the BEST phone on earth, there are some that don't.. doesn't make either one wrong! You said it doesn't make you a fool to buy the expensive car if you work hard to get it, if you work hard to earn your money, why does it make you a fool to spend it on PDA tuition for your child if that's what you choose to do. It's all a choice! Where and who does your child play for? It is your choice to have them play there, correct? What you think is best for you may not be best for someone else but.. you are allowed to like what you like and so are others.I'm sure there are people around you who do not like things about you or things you buy,wear etc.. at the end of the day as long as you like it, it doesn't matter! That's a conversation most adults have with their kids, it's a shame you have to have it on this forum with an adult. To be so concern with other kids teams and clubs is a bit concerning if you ask me, I'm sure the are many of us who look at different tournaments and results to see who is doing what but to come on here and speak on it is shallow on your part. Allow people to spend their money the way they want and let it go. Some wonder why some kids are the way they are, it all starts at home. If your child is happy where she plays.. great! Others are happy where they play also.. let it go!
I agree with your personal choice comment, I'm mostly agreeing with you, however, what I am critical of is how people come on here and denigrate others who are not at PDA or a like club. It's your personal choice, fine, but this was the quote of someone just a few days ago and I can find more from this blog if you'd like,"The point wasnt who "developed" her its that she recognized the value in the better exposure a top player can receive at a more well known club. The daddy coaches dont develop anyone. The kids who advance are getting the training elsewhere and most often paying for it." So people come on and are critical of those who do not choose the big academy, that also is a personal choice. Iphone, Galaxy, HTC, enjoy your phone, but don't come on here and tell me that your phone is so much better when you struggle to beat those same daddy coaches or teams that have part time professional coaches helping out.I don't believe that PDA's benefit to the non-ECNL player is marginal at best and and the tournament and playing history supports it.
Shallow? One just has to look in the mirror. When you are consistently putting your club in tournaments that they shouldn't be in just to beat up on lesser competition, or you get yourself in lower brackets in tournaments to protect your team, that is what I call shallow. When you play in a conference where only a couple of teams are competitive, yeah I do think you are misleading yourself as to how good your environment is Some people make a personal choice to drive 5 hours and beat up on teams 6-0 some don't.
You are fooing yourself if you think these teas are asking tournaments to place them in lower brackets to be successful.. it's not so much the wins vs losses also.. there is a huge picture you are missing.. crazy thing is, your debating with a parent who's kid doesn't play for PDA, I don't believe I ever mentioned that. I am generally speaking, your gonna have one of those people who gloat and think what they have or what they do is always better, I'm sure your know some in your circle like that, everyone has one. Don't paint with such a wide brush is all I'm saying..
Please enlighten me as to the piece of the picture I'm missing. When you sign up for a tournament, you request a level and a tournament honors where you p;ace yourself or it doesn't . PDA for sure gets their requests to be placed higher or lower honored more than most other clubs. I can't back it up with any hard facts, but I do think that their are some teams that chase easy tournaments to feel good about themselves. Toms River a dew years back made it to No 1 in the country on the back of a lot of tournaments in low brackets, I do know that you can look at quite a few tournaments and wonder what a club is doing there.
Again, don't think those teams are asking to be put in lower brackets, I would really be surprised. I do believe you will see some teams enter tournaments this time of year just to get their team playing after HS season and as warm ups for big tournaments coming up. I'm sure you will not see that come March - June. The bigger picture is.. nobody remembers who was State Champs or #1 in the State when these girls were 11,12,13.. nobody cares.. the big picture is hoping these kids are playing at a high level, at quality showcase tournaments and continuing to develop where or whoever they play for.. let's use CASL as an example, people will tell you that if you are not in the top three brackets of a big tournament, coaches will not come see you, that is completely false! There will be tons of coaches at CASL frim all levels watching all games. I overheard two coaches at Disney talking last year, I know one was D3 and I think other was D2, they said they didn't even bother watching top flights because most of those kids are going to possibly play D1 or high level D2. Not everyone will play D1 but there are plenty of D2 and D3 schools who do watch 4th level and below. It's a fact! Copa played a week tournament last weekend, I would bet it wasn't for points but for a tune up for Newss.. I see nothing wrong with that.. if PDA is wrong having an NPL team then so is every other ECNL Club in the Northeast. It's all a choice people make and I would never tell another parent they are wrong for doing what THEY think is best for THEIR CHILD!I can only make decisions for my own.
I have no issues with it being a free country and people making free choices, but I think you are wrong on teams hand picking places for their teams to be successful.I know that a few years back the team placed thereselves in the second tier state cup. Wow, how fun to win every game 6-0. I have only heard of some of the questionable tournaments the team placed themselves in since. Someone from PDA can comment on some of the tourneys they have entered. It's not for to your team or the other teams you are playing when it's not competitive.
That situation was clearly a mistake on the person who registered them. What tournaments are you referring to?
My PDA TEAM IS BETTER THAN YOUR PDA TEAM!
Clearly a mistake because anyone with any honor wouldnt back out and progress a tournamnent where the games wont be competitive an ruin a tournament for all the other teams playing at the appropriate competitive level. I don't know the other tournaments I have only heard that the team reputation is to pick one easy tournament a ear. Someone from PDA can probably answer what they were. I am sure I can fond out if you are interested.
The DOC of PDA south has no honor, but he has a State Cup champion team on his resume. Also, can you say kirkwood Tournament?
Does it really matter? Again.. I don't have facts on this particular team but, since you know so much about them, look up where they played before Kirkwood and after, it's possible they wanted to cut some expenses for the parents and do a tournament close to home. What is wrong with that? You sound very bitter! In the past, kirkwood hosted good tournaments, every tournament you do should have to require long travel and over night stays. It's not the end of the world. Relax, haven't heard one person speak about Copa winning a weak local tournament last weekend or weekend before, how about all the better teams that compete in the MSSL Summer tournaments. Look at the so called top teas in this age group, look where they got there points from this summer.. if that's what they choose to do, so be it. It's all a choice people make! Reading you post would make one think you are not completely happy with your situation because, people who are happy with their own situation normally don't really care about someone else's.
It's wrong if Copa or any team does it it. To go to a tournament and play teams 3 or 4 levels below your team does no one any good, it's not good for your team and it's not good for the team you are playing. I never see a Copa parent on this blog bragging about how good they are, or it being the only place to play, or the development being better. If you need a tune up, there are tons of teams looking for scrimmages. We've had a few in the lead up to the fall tourneys.
parents do not brag about Copa because they know they ARE the Best! Everyone at Copa has to drink the Kool-Aid, otherwise you're OUT!
Problem is.. everyone on here except 1or2 people are all anonymous. People love to stir the pot, that's with anything. As far as you saying it doesn't help lower level team, I disagree.. i will share a quick experience with you and then I am done. I have an older daughter who's team I coached when she was U11-12, we played in SJGSL 4th-5th division. I couldn't imagine how there could be such a hugh difference in level of play between top division and 4th-5th division in the same age group. I had the privilege of playing a team called the Winslow Tigers, best team in the State and one of the best in the country at that time, destroyed my team! Also played a team from Mt. Laurel, one of the best in the state and country at that time, destroyed my team. Myself and players and parents on my team never knew there was another level of soccer out there until we played those teams, changed my whole perspective on the direction I needed to take with my own daughter as well as her team. It really opened my eyes. There are coaches, parents and kids who don't know there is another level of soccer out there until they face it head on, not always a bad experience and can open people eyes to what else is out there. I am so glad I played those teams because, it opened my eye's. Now my older daughter plays with and competes against players from both of those teams that she couldn't compete with back then. I never knew, I learned from that. Blessing come in many different ways!
No problem playing a tune up lower level tournament.better to play up in age if possible. Copa plays plenty of top tournaments. Maybe they just want to work on new formation or new players.ECNL constantly claim they play non- ECNL tournaments to work on new things.
So just to be clear about PDA teamsA - Gunners EcnlB- Pride NplC- Atletica NplD- Breakers EdpIs this the pecking order and does the A team pay the same as the D team
If you look at Pride's Kirkwood results, they only blew out one team. Looks to me like they were in the right tournament at that time.
I'm in it right now and if I felt there were better options I would do it, but there's not. There's not a lot of fun in driving 4-6 hours to win a game 5-1. The kids aren't dumb either, they get it to.
Why does it matter who pays what? Parents paying it must not mind or they wouldn't pay it. Macy's is more expensive than JC Penny's but people choose to shop at Macy's.. again it's all about choice. If your child doesn't pay for A,B,C or D team, why concern yourself. You are worried about the wrong thing. Get over it!
I don't think your analogy works. You can go to McDonald's or Ruth Chris and say look they both sell meat. JCPenney and Macys target different consumers with different products and when they do have the same product and there is a price difference they will match the price. It is a freedom of choice, but what I think is happening is that you are told or given the promise of a Ruth Chris Steak and when your meal comes out, you are delivered an McDonalds Angus Burger.
A lot of you guys need to cut it out. This blog is becoming an all out PDA thing again. Cmon its obvious where its all if not most of it coming from. No not just Matchfit but Copa as well. Cmon you guys know I know who you are lol lol but thats okay. Because you all know I know what you pay for what you get also so and we all know that you are more than what I pay. As I spoke to you both and laughed about its a choice and people need to chill.....seriously. PDA has I believe 5 teams at this age group and sorry but there is no ABCDE we are one and I know its hurts most of you and will boil your blood but just look at your OWN clubs and I bet they all have multiple teams at this age group and guess what they pay the same as you do being on the "top team" so should we argue that also and I certainly don't hear you saying its unfair to those families. NOPE you haven't said a word. Funny how consistantly inconsistant most of you become lol lol. Most of you still fighting about GOTSOCCER points....SAD so SAD. Eric Harris
Oh Eric, just sit on your ECNL pedastal and leave the B,C, and D teams at PDA alone. We all know it is not one big happy family and it is irritating as hell when you keep preaching it. Saying something over and over again does not make it true!
We may not be one big happy family but we sure pay the same.....
@11:13.. that's your opinion, you said earlier that you are going by what you hear.. do you know what anyone is being promised for a fact. It's easy to bash,bash and bash some more.. Eric Harris is the only guy that can be respected because whethere you like what he says or not, he doesn't hide behind anonymous. Where does your child play? If your going to bash and hide, that says a lot about you! Now that is a coward! No need for it if it doesn't effect you or yours..I'm sure you get the point.. you are just being obnoxious at this point.. let it go!
Eric, I think you are right, but please keep in mind how this discussion started, I'm not sure how it regressed. Sure PDA was the example because There are few clubs that have an ECNL team and other teams. The point that I made was that the ECNL team is a clear draw and has differentiated PDA. Beyond that, I do not believe that anything in the performance of the other teams suggests that there is a benefit of PDA over any other club. It then comes down to personal choice, coach, proximity, etc. There has been a few comments here although igranted it may be 1 or 2 people saying that there are "where else would we go" or that the training and exposure is better. My personal view is that if you can get on an ECNL team than there are clear benefits and the Gunners are the cream of the crop. After that, I don't see any separation from any other team that would suggest any other club is better or worse and then it comes to personal preference. It has to do with PDA only because the Gunners are a different case, but after the Gunners for the larger pool of players, I don't think so. So yeah I agree, it is time to start talking about other topics.
@12:15pm hey listen its not that I disagree with your opinion and say you are WRONG. What I don't like is when people get so tunnel visioned in and can't see anything else but PDA. People do what they want and say what they want but I watched a lot of High School soccer this season and I tell you what not all those girls played at PDA and some of those girls were darn good. Lets be fair and say my view of PDA is Bias and I will say that to anyone that my opinion is bias based on my childrens view of PDA. Believe it or not there are tons of teams in NJ that are worthy of playing for and have great coaches and trainers as I feel PDA have. Those coaches paid or non paid do a fantastic job of developing the kids from New Jersey and the surrounding areas as pa, NY for those kids that make the travel to NJ. List once again and I will say this from a personal point of view from my conversations with families that I talk to. Although we are at PDA and we love our kids playing there we still respect what other clubs are doing because at the end of the day we folks rate the top states in the country NJ is listed in that conversation all the time. I mean I have associates in Florida who actually thought of moving to NJ for SOCCER now tell me how crazy is that. Trust me folks we sit around and argue about this club, that club and the folks from the outside are willing to LEAVE where they are currently......all to get a piece of what we have and in "MY OPINION" there is no better place to play soccer than NJ. You can have your Cali, Flor. Texas, Illinois, Ohio's etc. I take that TRi-STATE over them anyday. Some of you haven't even woke up to the fact that as far as soccer is the State of NEW JERSEY is well represent in COLLEGES, National Teams, Professional teams and guess what not all of them are from PDA so WAKE UP and let the PDA thing go and just worry about your child and if she is playing in NEW JERSEY in my opinion she is going to make it because there is NO BETTER COMPETITION that she will face PERIOD and she will be game tested and climate tested lol lol. Fact is that I am a PDA parent and my kids love it there and I love the fact that they call the place home, but on the flip side I cheer for Matchfit, Copa, Freehold, SJEB, FC Bucks, World Class, Tom River, Holmdel NJX etc. I cheer for all the team because I notice how hard it is for these young ladies to make it and to compete against the best girls in the country week in and week out and still have energy to fight off the crazy adults including myself and STILL........be a great young players as they all are. Eric Harris
12:08 I am going to let the discussion die and leave it to people with direct experience to comment as to whether a carrots have been dangled, but if you are going to call someone out for being anonymous, for the purpose of credibility, maybe you shouldn't do it anonymously.
11/18 @ 7:10, Copa played the MSSL tournament last weekend because a team dropped out at the last minute. They were notified Friday afternoon and several of their players were not even available as they were committed to HS playoffs. It's all about playing. You grab games when you can get them, especially when you are getting ready for CASL and NEWSS. I’m sure they would gladly scrimmage all-comers.
Heard a merger is going to produce another ABGC and FC VA situation and create a giant ECNL roster of mostly outside kids that play in both ECNL and USYSA events? Is that legal? Is it good for the kids?
Yes I heard PDA is merging with all remaining teams in NJ. Will make the first 10,000 player roster. All will pay same amount. All will be promised the possibility to be rostered for ECNL team.
Now that was funny !
Nothing funny about it, I heard one of the 10,000 will be rostered with the ECNL team, attend practices, but rarely ever play.
What's sad is that even with 100 girls, parents would still shell out the PDA fees.
Eric Harris,Do all players, even on the same PDA team, pay the same amount?Let me hear the answer from you sir.DCShore
Why so negative about kids that need scholarships. Do you think it is desirable to be in a position of needing a scholarship to participate? It is an uncomfortable situation. I would hope there is discretion and it is not for everyone to know who needs one.
I all for scholarships at any club but I think the focus on some clubs is about players receiving discounts not based on need but rather perceived ability. I can even accept this but it needs to be above the board.
I cant speak for any one else but how many are really want to accept money unless they really needed it. It ramps up the pressure on the kid.I am very wary of college athletic money for the same reason. Obviously many many families can use the college aid but it comes at a cost. There is already massive pressure in this economic environment to use college as the path to a decent salary. The added weight of having to perform for your athletic money has to shift a significant part of the focus off academics and onto athletics.
The problem with scholarships is that it creates a special tax for every one else, but like our current president, it's not called a tax. I've been at PDA for 3 years and pay because it's been a decent experience for my child but I have seen a $100 increase every year I've been here, I have to raise money for (pay out of pocket) for a soccer marathon for which there is a $400 minimum expectation (it used to be $300), there are individual team fundraisers, and then there is the sense of obligation to attend the PDA camps. I can afford and pay it so it's not a major issue but I can understand the complaints.
I would think it would be no fun at all to play for PDA unless you had the money to pay. Clubs like PDA exist in a rarifed space. If $100 bucks is even on you radar screen why you want to be in that environment?
How are college athletic scholarships not the same sort of special "tax"? Only a few get them but most of the poor slobs there have to pay that tuition bill. Soccer is not generating revenue for the institution.
If you are asking me, I wasn't complaining about the $100, it is what it is. My point is that even be fore travel, you are realistically to paying PDA $750.
@DCShore that is a fair question and a fair answer would be my honest opinion and say I have no clue. More importantly I don't care what other pay and don't pay. I never base my chooses off of $$$$. I base them on the fact that at the end of the day its not a matter of justifying it but more or less do I feel that I made the right choice. Most of the PDA debate has to do with $$$$$ bottomline. If it was all FREE would we be debating or even discussing the PDA. I mean serious there are clubs that kids have to pay $2900 plus tournaments, and plus to have their coaches fly all over and travel here and there, and then tell well call certain parents up on the phone and ask them if they are training with other trainers outside their club and if the know of any other families that are doing it. NOW THATS SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD BE TALKING ABOUT. And guess what they don't even own their own fields. Now one would think that on this board that this is a topic that we could discuss to find out why they do this. But see when those things aren't discussed it only shows me "WHO" is soooooo ANTI-PDA. But I guess no one would want to discuss that with me because they know I KNOW too much and I call out PLENTY of folks...that would make going to practice for plenty not too pleasant. But see I would need do that on this forum because thats never my intentions. See DCShore I know I know you I know this for a fact. Personally....probably not but I bet I have seen you or even said hello. The fact that you have to remain unknown is sad because believe it or not and people can say what they want but I think you know your stuff and I think you could take this age group of parents to a whole different level with your insight and debatable topics and questions but instead you remain so stuff on this ANTI-PDA and how much money that get and don't get. Cmon we gotta be better than this DCShore.....Eric Harris
10:36 There is no equivalence between a soccer club and a university. University's operate with endowments, have departments dedicated to fundraising, and in the revenue generating universities, the revenue is shared across the athletic department and university. If there is a tax, it is embedded in the tuition. At a University do you do not see the students en mass either funding out of pocket or hawking advertisements for a golf outing or a soccer marathon to fund fields and scholarships. It would be all well and good if it were voluntary, but the reality is that people are told pretty strongly what their fundraising expectation is. Eric, I agree with you that no one should be put in a situation to divulge whether they receive economic money and if it were me I'm not sure that it would even be relevant for me to discuss with my child. On the whole though, people have the right to know how much of the PDA budget goes to fundraising. DC Shore, you can legally during normal business hours go and inspect PDAs books. As a 501C3 they must show them to you, if they didn't or they would not be able to maintain tax exempt status.
People discuss the money issue because it is a BIG issue. Kids without it are at a big disadvantage. Why should it not be discussed?
I understand that "THE MONEY" is the big issue and without it yes I will say and agree with you that a lot of children will be left in the dark. That is a FACTUAL statement but PDA is not the only club that has a tuition, club fee, ect whatever they want to call it. Every club has it. Believe it or not there are clubs that are more expensive than PDA how about we discuss that. I am willing to start the topic. So for the soccer gurus what are some of the prices out there rumored to be true with other clubs or organization. I know Matchfit is $2900 from several of people on Matchfit that pay that amount so I can assume that its true. Any others. Eric Harris
Match Fit vs. PDA is splitting hairs. The players at both will come out with a quality education in the game of soccer. (they better since this is their tax exempt "contribution" to society) Most families can not afford either.
Eric,I don't say this often and although I choose to remain anonymous, on this one we mostly agree. There are quite a few clubs in NJ that slap an academy name on, hire a few "professional" coaches and justify fees in excess of $2000, even though they are playing in lower cost local tournamements, and play in local leagues like SJGSL CJTSL that do not require the coaches travel costs.Ultimately it comes down to the product. You can certainly argue that relative to many clubs PDA is a tremendous value considering where you get to play (tournaments and leagues) and whether people like it or not part of the product is the door opening that the club name brings you. There is certainly a very good ECNL product whether by recruiting or development, kids are pretty much guaranteed high level competition day in and day out. The rest of the teams like you say are at least on par cost wise with other clubs. Anyone who does their homework knows that this is a pricey sport (rightly or wrongly so) in most places you play. Any clubs that have full time coaches as opposed to clubs that hire a coach to ocassionally help out will have a high cost base.Of the issues that I have raised about PDA on this board cost is not one of them and there are much more egregious gouging going on in soccer.
Through you remain anonymous doesn't mean what you say has no merit or value. Its doesnt mean that your view is right or wrong. You choose to be anonymous because you have right to be and although I poke fun at those that do post anonymous I have to say I value each and everyone of you because I learn from you all and regardless if I have the same opinion or not as you I value what you say because its a chance that I can learn something. The poster @12:20pm I would say you are right and yes its splitting hairs if you are on the outside looking in to both of these clubs. Then it becomes a choice and that has to be based on what you as a family value or look at as value. Are there great kids at Matchfit. Heck yeah and they are getting more and more everyday and year. Are there great kids at PDA yep you bet your bottom there are and they are getting them also everyday and year. Now what I will say is that I am sure they offer assistance to whoever needs it. I think both clubs do it and although it may go unseen and untold thats the beauty of it because it should be sold as everybody pays the same. That way you take the entitlement part out of it by saying "WELL I PAY THIS and YOU PAY THAT" so I deserve more for my kid. Just imagine that. I applaud both of these organizations because at the end of the day they are trying to develop young student atheletes in my opinion. Eric Harris
I don't know how much assisntnce these clubs provide. In my view, if they are operating as non-profit institutions with a social mission they should be offering financial assistance. Many of the players seem to be ultimately trying to access scholarships from non-profit instiitutions of higher learning when they leave the soccer club. Another poster saw little relationship between soccer clubs and universities but in my view there are some equivalencies. They are both afforded non profit status for their education and social mission....granted tehe soccer clubs mission has a narrow focus. Whether they fund raise through their membership or through a staffed department seems partly a matter of scale. Also not sure if any soccer have endowments - some have some very wealthy patrons.But on the most basic level, why is athletic ability worthy of a scholarship from one and not the other? It is because at the club level, you may be called upon to help provide a child a scholarship whereas at the college level your child will get to receive one?
@11:49 AMYes, i know I can look at the books but I don't have to. I know of the PDA "scholarship" program. It's a rig for the most part. A few genuine hardships but MORE often than not, an enticement to collect stronger players that they can "develop". The FACT is they collect no real financial information from the parents nor are parameters officially published. In this way they can dump & run if need be.@Eric Harris"Cmon we gotta be better than this DCShore.....Eric Harris"Eric, I barely have gotten my trousers off. The fact that you are not the last bit curious about things of this nature relegates you to the side lines. How can you possibly argue/defend/attack a topic you admit yourself to not know "anything" about?The PDA "Scholarships" are another ruse and marketing tool. YES, there are exceptions. Exception I know about personally. But there are also abuses. Abuses I know about personally.As far as anonymity goes...that's how I roll. Even my checks are made out to the name I like best, CASH.DCShore
@DCShore....see that where you have me wrong and mistaken. See I'm playing the game and it's you that is sitting there in awe of my work. See I happen to know that you are involved with Match fit as a coach or something higher. You being this guy who claims that he knows it all I dangle the carrot right in front of your face with facts about what they do and what you do but instead of bringing your knowledge and wisdom and oh let's not forget understanding..you ignore Match fit because you are here to protect what they do but hey no longer will I sit here and let it ride you already what I am about and how I roll. You are hypocritical of your own words because the dislike of PDA grows soooooo deep in your soul that it kills you that I know who you are and you could never face me and speak any words of what you do is right and you are in it for the kids. You are right about one thing partner.......CASH is what your about but just so that you know......in the upper left hand corner of that check your writing.......it has you name you fool lololol...Eric Harris
@Eric Harris"See I happen to know that you are involved with Match fit as a coach or something higher. "--->That's a classic sentence. Are you telling me or asking me? The rest of what you wrote is drivel. DCShore
Eric Harris,Quit embarrassing yourself, the players, the team and the organization.Thanks,Thomas Anderson
DCShore I would ask you something that I didn't know already. Eric Harris
DCShore and Eric Harris, Can't we all just get along?Anyone have any thoughts on NEWSS? One of few times ECNL and non-ECNL are allowed to co-mingle. Gunners are the favorite but anyone willing to venture an upset?Anyone think the new Albertson and World Class teams are ready for prime time? Must say I am looking forward to this tournament more than any in awhile. Hope the weather cooperates. Majority of games for both showcases at same fields.
If things play out anything like they did towards the end of the Spring season, I can't see any real challenge to the Gunners in the Top Bracket, I would have liked to see the Arsenal from PAW in the top bracket. From my limited knowledge of seeing them play a few times they are a good team that compete. I think the second bracket is more interesting and should be very competitive. I think there are 4 or 5 teams that could come out the winner of that bracket.
Anonymity is the point!Through out history it has embolding people to say things without fear of reprisals.EH because people know who you are you will never be able to complete say what you think.Of course you will deny this , but we all no its the truth. I think the rowdies win the tournament this weekend in hammonton.
See thats where you are wrong. I always say what I exactly think and feel. I don't need to hide that from anyone. I am human and for one I know I not always right but certainly thats life and you learn and you continue to live. There is nothing for me to deny and if you are meaning next weekend I will tell you my daughter feels that they will never lose a game. For me does it really who wins....not really. I dont play my kids do. I'm just excited to see all the girls out there working hard and see how much the girls have developed since we all last seen each other. When you look at the age group there are some really good teams and games that will be played over that weekend. Win or Lose I am sure some adult will be on here tearing down some 13,14 or 15 year old kid or kids. Thats the only said part about it. The whole Albertson and World Class thing makes things more interesting from the stand point that most people will be seeing them for the first time in this new era for both teams. I think the Showcase White bracket is also a very good one with Freehold, Copa, and ISA. That is going to be a tough win for all those teams. I have not seen Quickstrike play but from what I read they are pretty good I guess so also those are some good games being that you have Smithtown down there. Overall I think the brackets are pretty mixed with great teams and although some will complain I think the tournament did a good job on getting teams in and placing them against other good competition. Eric Harris
Somewhat related many of you may have seen this recent article concerning Bayern Munich's partnership with GPS in the U.S.: http://www.socceramerica.com/article/61636/bayern-makes-its-move.htmlThe following paragraphs caught my attention- "Regardless of whether they have something valuable to offer American players or coaches, I’m hard-pressed to believe that foreign clubs coming here are motivated by a desire to help America children. I just cannot imagine their executives fretting about U.S. player development and saying to their coaches, “We’ve got to help the Americans!”More likely, the motivation comes from the knowledge that the U.S. market is the low-hanging fruit of the global soccer industry. They've gotten wind of the fact that Americans will pay $150 to watch preseason scrimmages between big European teams without their stars. They heard we'll spend $5,000, even $10,000 a year on our child's soccer."Somewhere PT Barnum is blushing. DCShore
PDA Shore Breakers lost to South Jersey Barons 3-0 ouch!!!!PDA Pride beat this team two times in the past!!
Lets talk about the RUSH organization and that great display of "DEVELOPMENT" in ALL age groups today. WOW!!!!! keep up the good work DOC.
Sounds like someones kid got cut from Rush, so let pick on them next. Get a life, it's a fall tournament with minimal time for practice. WHO CARES what anyone did today. It's innocent girls just playing soccer and shaking the cob-webs off.
says the loser.
5:04 What's your beef with the Rush, it's kids competing on a weekend. Neither were a top 5 or even top 10 team. Both team lost players. Both Rush teams lost their better players to other teams, one of the teams had a change of coach. Seems to me that it is a couple of teams trying to build/rebuild something.
@439 You seem bitter How did your kid do this weekend?
PDA Pride parents don't get too many chances to brag....
Beating SJEB is nothing to brag about.
PDA Breakers have been a decent team and finished last season pretty good,I know they were missing a couple key players yesterday due to HS State finals, not making any excuses for them but, they SHOULD begin to play better ball as time goes on. Not a parent but have seen them play several times.
No one cares what you pay. the push back comes form the implication that the $$$ is not a factor and even if it were out of the equation, the roster would be unchanged.On the boys, side, when the $$$$ is removed from the equation at the free academies, the roster does change. What is the credible argument explaining why the same would not be experienced on the girls' side.
Freehold over PDA again!
CASL was great coaches everywhere even for U15 great games region 1 is respectable. Makes me wonder if ECNL is necessary if your kids team can get to national league or at least top 2 flights of national level tournaments
Congrats!Freehold Celtics win over PDA Shore Breakers!!
Ok, we heard this about Freehold/PDA.Did anyone actually watch the game though?Curious as to how each team played given the amount of High School both teams have been exposed to. I was close to being able to make it to the games yesterday but was a little under the weather.DCShore
Looks like NJ teams have some work to do after CASL this weekend. Kudos to the many Non-ECNL teams who took the majority of top flight first place positions. Imagine if the National league teams were not separated. ECNL teams must be scratching heads and wondering what happened.
@9:28 MF was the only NJ ECNL team playing at CASL, and yes they lost 3 games. Looks like they were flighted too high. Copa played next bracket and came in 2d place per standings. The PA teams playing top 2 flights both came in 3rd place. Am I missing something? Why are you trying to pick on NJ.
This was not a knock on NJ teams just pointing out the need for more work. Was really meant as a statement of ECNL vs Non- ECNL. Was it being too critical? I don't think so as the ECNL toots their horn everyday on this site. Get me now?
Did MATCHFIT ECNL lose all three games this weekend, That is embarrassing .
Not sure how other teams were affected but YMS and Penn Fusion were missing quite a few kids either because they were at the ODP interregional at Boca Raton or they were playing up to fill out the older teams' rosters. Older teams were getting most of the looks and it was a win win for the kids. I don't know exactly how many were missing but at least 4 starters including YMS keeper.
FC Virginia goes 0-2-2 over the weekend in their split squad games. Losing both National League games and tying two very winnable ECNL matches. So was sacrificing the 4 ECNL points in the overall standings worth it? Looks like they placed more importance this weekend in the US Youth Soccer National League games.
So just to support that there is still a lot of quality soccer outside of the ECNL, the ECNL teams went 4-9-2 against non-ECNL teams at CASL in the NL & Elite brackets. Not attempting to say ECNL is not a great place for your daughter, just thought the results were interesting. Now I know if PDA, World Class, of FC Stars had played it probably would have been significantly different. Just shows there still is considerable drop off from top to bottom in ECNL. While many ECNL teams still not deserving of their placement. If you took the top 77 or so teams from outside ECNL, you would probably find more parity top to bottom than what you get in ECNL.
11:43 who cares? There are plenty of great "non" ECNL teams and plenty of great ECNL teams. What's important is that your kid is having fun and playing at a level where they are being challenged. I will say that I saw a number of games at CASL all in the top bracket where our team played and every team I saw was good. Most were non ECNL.
The FC VA "A" roster was in NC. They definitely respect the national league more than the ECNL.FC VA lost to Penn Strikers 1-0. For region one it seems Penn Strikers were most successful at CASL: 2-1-1. Losing the first game and improving results each day. Currently third in the red division and top 2 go to nationals. Given the improving results, seems like the fall high school season might be a disadvantage in some states like PA.
11-24 4:16 - People are interested in seeing non-ECNL teams successful because as has been discussed often on this site a view that if kids want to be playing at the highest levels with the highest exposure. Seeing non-ECNL being successful especially against ECNL clubs dispels the myth that if you are not in the ECNL then your soccer future is not as good.
What is a "soccer future"? get real. The best female player in the entire state is unlikely to have much of a a "soccer future". Have fun playing a game and then grow up and get yourself to grad school.All of these teams and leagues are fine. Neither ecnl or some other league is ever going to put a roof over your daughter's head.
"They heard we'll spend $5,000, even $10,000 a year on our child's soccer."DCShore
You may see soccer future differently than I do. But my daughter wants to play in college. She is under no illusion that she will be playing at UNC, but if she is going to play in college and if soccer can help her get into a college that is above where she would have gotten into otherwise, than indirectly, yes, I do think that soccer can play some part in my kid's future.
I suppose if it can raise the academic quality of her education in a significant way (stress on significant) then if might influence her future. Dollar wise, unless it was a very robust offer, would not give it too much credence.Soccer should low on the list when deciding on a college, major and career path. Sure many would enjoy and be assets to their college teams. I would very careful of counseling a kid to commit to a college team. Dilutes the focus from where it should be in my opinion. If I want to be a good parent, I better hit her with a big dose of reality about what she needs to accomplish in college.
Some people on here are looking at scores of showcases. I guess the scores show a little bit about where the team may be at but, I'm thinking coaches are getting all players somewhat equal minutes to showcase everyone on the roster as opposed to winning the game. Wins and losses are less relevant. Showcases don't have finals or any playoff structure for a reason. But I guess with some people, it will always be about wins and losses.What I would be most interested to know is which colleges are watching what teams.
9:12Most coaches play everyone on the team regardless of it being a showcase or not. The biggest difference is how much time you actually see. Our coach plays to win the games but certainly understands winning is not everything. The biggest determining factor as to the time you see on the field (after actual ability) is how hard you are willing to work. No matter how good you might be if you are not working hard our coach gets you off the field quickly. As far as coaches (scouts) watching the games I saw a few at the Bethesda tourney and a couple at CASL. The only one I could see for sure was a VA Tech guy, the others were on the other side of the field and could not see them. Might have been more at the U16 games.
At Casl in about a middle flight I saw Navy, st Joseph and Maryland coaches. There were a couple obvious coaches I did not know. Monday I received and email from a d1 college inviting my daughter to a "camp" that is 6 hrs long in December. It's 9 hrs from home. While the school is famous for football and basketball I have no idea about there women's soccer program. My feelings are she is 15 we will wait. Idk maybe everyone at the tournament got the same email. She was excited though.
The coaches you see at games are usually there because a player on the team is interested in attending that school and playing for them. On occasion you will see coaches (or more like assistants) watching and making "cold-call emails" if their player profile doesn't indicate the player is committed. But most often a coach is watching because they were contacted about a player's interest. If you want coaches to come, start having your club coach talk to the college coach.
Sure it's an early season tournament and players are rusty, that is true for all teams, but it seems time to stop anointing the Gunners as the best team in the region. Council Rock and WC seem to have gotten off to a good start.
Saw alot of very average soccer this weekend at NEWSS as the ECNL teams looks no different than non ECNL teams. Any team in the 2 showcase brackets could beat the other. No team has any reason to put themselves on a pedestal. Parity reigns.
Officiating at NEWSS was pretty awful. Actually saw a ref allow a substitution on goalie punt. Also saw a official blow half whistle while ball was in air on corner kick.
@3:14PMAverage in which way? Which teams did you see play?I'm trying to get a good picture of what you saw.Please do not just recite results.Thank you,DCShore
Average in the respect that teams were not sharp and no team was dominate. Saw both showcase brackets and could not identify any of the teams as being a step above the others. Clearly Rowdies are not the same anymore,PDA did not seem to be sharp . Stallions are in need of more quality players, no depth. World Class has a few top notch players from last year but not much else. Albertson looked very good a times but needs alot more players. Santos was missing several players to injury, key defender. It appears the talent is spread among about 10 teams in the area. Both bracket winners were from PA, good for them but they did not dominate. If you put all 16 teams in one bracket I would venture a guess and say that you would see alot of 8-7 records. Lets see what happen in Florida at the various tournaments.
Teams not being particularly sharp this time of year is understandable at this age. At least in my opinion.DCShore
Seems advantageous to have parity. Leads to good competition without having to travel all over creation to find it.
3:14 - It is difficult to say that there was no difference between ecnl and non ecnl teams, especially where it matters (the top flight). There was one ECNL team in Bracket A (they won it) and 3 ECNL teams in Bracket B (they finished 1,2,3.) The final was 2 ECNL teams. To me this shows the top ECNL teams continue to dominate the age group.
3:14 - There where 6 games in the top flight where ECNL teams played non ecnl teams. ECNL teams won all 6. Not one of the NON ECNL teams could even manage a tie against an ECNL team. Parity in dreamland.
ECNL certainly won all the games vs Non-ECNL but i did not see much domination. I still see a fine line between the 2 levels. What I do see is the ECNL teams have a few more top players on each team. Again the difference is not enough to concede that ENCL is far superior. As ECNL parents do you feel strongly about you teams going into the new season? If you are pleased with your results I would be surprised. Good luck in Florida.
Speaking of non ECNL teams- where do the Strikers fit into the hierarchy. Haven't played an ECNL team for years. Last lost to Bucks at state cup. Did ok in National league. Where do the National league teams stack up against the ECNL teams?
No doubt that Strikers,Top Hat, Legends could all compete well with ECNL teams. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. Have seen all of them play.
And the ecnl team in second flight didn't win a game. Probably wrong NPL teams in top flight.
Strikers have topped FCV ECNL/NPL twice already this fall. FCV's system is convoluted, but you could characterize those two results as wins over an ECNL team without too much difficulty. And FCV remains atop their ECNL division (though it is a pretty soft collection of teams overall).And Bethesda ECNL and McLean ECNL both failed to reach the final in the top bracket at the Bethesda tourney a couple of weeks ago. Non-ECNL teams (from OH and PA) faced off in the final.
Strikers tied the Solar Chelsea B team in national league. A team is at top of table in the Texas ECNL. That fact that a B team is in the national league alone tells you where the national league is compared to ECNL
For ever Solar in the ECNL there is an East Meadow level team, wouldn't you agree? And yes I have looked at the various ECNL leagues throughout the country.ECNL would be smart to eliminate half the teams if they want to use the word 'Elite' in the league name.
Yes I agree that the ECNL should relegate some of the weaker teams to the NPL and promote some of the better non ECNL teams such as Strikers, NEFC, TopHat, Legends, Carlsbad, etc to make the league as competitive as possible but try and keep the travel to a realistic amount.However, my comment was a testament to the impact of the ECNL when even the national league is populated by an ECNL B team. The region 1 league similarly included b teams last year. I am not saying its a good thing at all for girls soccer, only that the ECNL has clearly impacted the quality of the national league.
Region 1 did not have a single ECNL B team in the 16 team U14 Bracket last year.
ECNL is overblown. Great marketing though.Same with NPL.Open up the Leagues...watch what happens! Better for US Soccer...more opportunities for many other girls!It would reduce the overall cost of soccer for players/parents but could still provide some very special (truly special) moments.How's the current mess working out for our National teams?I already know some clubs/leagues are getting rich. BIGGER and BIGGER balance sheets, salaries, and oh yeah one more team with a full staff. "They heard we'll spend $5,000, even $10,000 a year on our child's soccer."DCShore
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