I have never once seen anyone from Toms River state on here that they were the best team anywhere. All I see is a club that has raised itself through the levels every year until they were ready to move on to the next level. So they have struggled against the best teams in the business , so what . Thats what its all about. How many other teams through the years have disappeared trying to attain higher levels. I commend the coaches for keeping at in in an age of the quick fix, and the easy way. I for one would rather play against the best and lose than to hang around the local and beat lesser teams. So get off of TR. Weve heard it all already. We just want to play soccer against the best teams ,win lose or draw.
Good weekend for nj soccer with PDA. Beating. FC.bucks. 2-0 and penn fusion 1-0 let the season begin
Yes and too bad the Gunners v FC Stars match isn't in NJ would be a great game to watch. Some good matches should be had at the PDA Girls Showcase in May.
Although the soccer was Gunners 1- Buck 0 and Gunners 2 Penn 0 nevermind the scores for this weekend. These were two games that both well played by all three teams. Just to see these young girls play the way they played shows that nevermind NJ soccer but USA soccer is continue to grow and some of these very young ladies that we see or saw this weekend maybe someday represent the bigger picture for us all. I will say that standing from behind my video camera all weekend that the Bucks and Penn players were so classy on and off the field. You can only give credit to the parents of these young ladies and their coaches. It was a pleasure to sit along side both groups and not only enjoy the games but to cheer for the kids on the field as both groups of parents did. Very classy parents and I would say a true pleasure for Youth Soccer. See you all again.
very nicely said 8:49 , you of course are correct ,but why do we keep score. Yeah, I know everybody gets a trophy blah blah blah!!
Nicely said 8:49! Very refreshing to hear about games well played and god sportsmanship from the parents and kids alike. Definitely how things should be!
I assume these were all Gunners this weekend and no O'Reilly girls, so all of the Ringers discussion can start to go away.
6:09/6:19 The come was not meant to be a criticism of TR, but it comes across that way because they are the poster child for what is wrong with Got Soccer Rankings whereby teams accumulate Got Soccer points in lower brackets of tournaments. Got Soccer does not give enough weighting to strength of competition.
Yeah I know the whole everyone gets a trophy speech lol lol but I tell you it was a very pleasant weekend with the parents from Bucks and Penn. Now I don't know how the other age groups were but I know at U14 I haven't met a parent group that I didn't like being around honestly. I mean seriously all week long we see people taking shots at young kids all week long and for what.....I will never understand that. Regardless who played on the Gunners rostered as long as they were age appropiate does it really matter........probably not but hey all I know is that my weekend was great and it had nothing to do with winning and losing because that is going to happen but the way the young ladies handled themselves is PRICELESS and that goes to the winners and losers just PRICELESS ladies and that I will BLOG about and be proud off. Believe it or not I am in the Pressbox on Sunday with guys from Penn Fusion and they were talking about their game with World Class the day before and all your heard was positive comments and great things and we got into the conversation of what parents talk about well what guys talk about and it was about the FOOD and how a great job World Class does with the FOOD. It was great lol lol....it was what youth sports should be about.......FOOD and plenty of laughter.
'Why tryout fir the PDA shore version , when the Everton will still be the top team in the clubs age bracket. Makes no sense".Because some here cannot comprehend that soccer is a money grab for theses "Academies"-especially those with three letters-and they will pay for Mia to wear that jersey even if the othernon academy team is head over heels better,cost less and has equal training. I know its a heaqd scratcher to me too
SMH @ 9:37am....The reason why one would tryout for PDA Shore is because of the choice that they choose. Instead of being stuck on the whole "THREE" letter bit why not focus on maybe the opportunities that may come for those girls that do make the team or do choose to go there. Remember its all about chooses and to me it seems that you are feeling that you have no choice and maybe you feel that you will either sucked up by this system or maybe you want to be apart of this system but just not this particular one. I don't think its about the letters on the chest of these players anyone, but more of the opportunity that may exist for one's child. Will the cost be higher.......certainly it will be. Is it worth it.....well that's all depends on how you and your family looks at it basically.
Looking to create an interesting, sarcasm- free discussion here on the topic of what are the pros and cons of playing on a 3rd or 4th PDA team. Using PDA as example because they have a 3rd (athletica) and 4th (shore) team. I will list cons first because they are obvious:1. Expense - $2500+2. Lack of a quality league to play in3. Not competitive with top 10 teams in state4. Would not qualify for any top college showcase (except PDA put them in their showcase anyway)5. Training better elsewhere - unlikely that quality coach will take in a 3rd or 4th level team?Pros:1. Can wear 3 letter game jersey2. Chance to be moved to NPL team? (Does anyone believe that?)Comments?
How much do you currently pay for your trainer, coach, league fees, referee fees, field rentals, tournament fees, etc.? How does it compare to the $2,500 mentioned above? Trying to weigh options and there is a lot to consider but just from the $ aspect curious to how the costs stack up.
FINALLY! 10:46 has correctly summed it all up! I know first hand the "promises" of PDA, the B, C, and now D teams will always be just that. But at least you get to pay the same amount of money as the A team, that evens it all out!
Oh the sarcasm is well excepted but hey let me take the bait and answer. 1. The 2500+ expense.....I have to laugh at that. When you think about that expense to lets say for giggles...."HIGH LEVEL" teams outside of the PDA's of the world. Look at the amount of money those teams spend for the amount of tournments they attend. Oh I forgot all those charges are voided and paid by the town clubs right lets do the math on that and lets get back to that. 2. Lack of quality league.....You are too funny. Name one, just one quality league. Well if you say ECNL.......WRONG AGAIN. All the leagues are simular with a fair amount of good teams and a fair amount of teams that haven't developed as fast as the others. 3. Not being competitive with the top 10 teams in the state......VERY LAUGHABLE and obvious those GOT SOCCER POINTS got your mind blurry. GOT SOCCER POINTS are just to sell folks like you that your childs team is great or your childs team is not so great.....WHATEVER. If a team has played 50 games and a team has played 10 games.....how do you even compare that or rank that. Just for giggles PDA Gunners BLUE have a total of 10 games played and they are ranked #5 in the state.......LOL LOL LOL how is that possible. Oh and the PDA GUNNERS WHITE (which is the same team PDA BLUE) is ranked #10 in the state. So you mean to tell me that you have the "SAME" team and trust me its the same team (my daughter is on it) Not for nothing but and nothing against GOT SOCCER but are we seriously talking apples to apples here. 4. So those teams would not qualify for a top college showcase.....and a high level town team would.......I THINK NOT. Nothing against Toms River because if you ask me they are one of the top teams in the country in my opinion without the GOT SOCCER POINTS. That team plays tough against anyone regardless.5. Training is better elsewhere.....Thats an opinion and no agruement there. You have to see what style or what person best fits your childs personality or skill set. PRO's.......YOU got it right it right....those 3 letters mean a lot to those girls that wear it or have wore it and wish to wear it. A chance to move to an NPL team.....once again that is your opinion and yes sarcasm. Another Pro to be wearing those "THREE LETTERS" would be the fact that I can say and be proud that my daughter plays for PDA. See I can say that and not worry about it because I am proud of "OUR" decision as a family to have her be a part of the club for now. I am proud as a parent to say that this is YOUTH SOCCER and my daughter belongs to the PDA club and feels she is in a healthy environment. I am proud to say that through these years my family have met hundreds of people and my daughter has various associates on many different teams outside of the PDA walls that she met THROUGH the PDA soccer club. Your right thats something to be proud of. Your CON: You are too ashamed of where your child is and who your child plays for and you know that that is SAD...........maybe you can stop worrying about NPL, ECNL's EDP etc and more worrying about if your child is happy then thats the REAL name of the game and you could never put a PRICETAG on that.
11:39 stated it well, but I have a simpler view. It's a free country and PDA has the right to set up new clubs, my child has the right to decide to play there, and I have the right to pay. Its a decision we make as a family and if we are happy about that decision than that is the only Pro that matters.It's also a market economy and if PDA is wrong about the Toms River area and kids' desire to wear those 3 letters than they will fail. I also suspect that PDA is not simply focusing on the U-14 age group and has good reason to believe it will be successful.
Very telling that the only happy PDA parent commenting on here has a daughter on Gunners...never hear from Pride or Athletica parents.
Wow looks like 11:37 is very defensive but 11;50 stated it well. Family preferences should be added to Pros column as an intangible.But back to the Cons column - can anyone argue with a straight face that JAGS at U14 is a quality league? It's ok if you play in it - that's certainly a family choice - but at least call a spade, a spade. None of the teams in JAGS are going to Jeff Cup anytime soon. I think what would make more sense is for PDA to reduce their fees for 3rd & 4th level teams. Typically the $2500+ price range is justified by clubs as paying for entrance fees into a couple of top tournaments and top trainers. If PDA is not providing that, it would make sense to change fees accordingly.
I heard that matchfit has started a 3rd team at U15 age out of Morris County, which will also play NPL. Is PDA playing Athletica and Shore in a NPL?
Nice article from October on GotSoccer Ranking 9 and 10 year olds, but this quote is indicative of this blog:"I am not naive enough to think that this does not happen already. We all know that youth soccer has stopped focusing on children competing against other children. We all know it’s often focused on adults competing against other adults through their children. A hyper-competitive, win-at-all costs mentality has already taken over youth soccer down to the U9 age group in many places. It is causing many talented, developmentally focused coaches to quit rather than make sure their U10 team wins all its games. "
Here's the link:http://www.socceramerica.com/article/54328/gotsoccer-insanity-ranking-9-year-olds-really.html
My take is ,if you have a to be u15 daughter that you feel is exceptional, get down to the TR Evertons open trainings this spring. There is an opportunity to make a pretty darn good team over there. A couple of good kids and they will be a complete squad. Why gamble on the unknown,when a proven commodity is right there. Waiting.
Thinkn abotu moving my daughter from another town team. How many players are TR Evertons looking to replace and how much does it cost each year? Thanks
Well tryout season begins soon. This is the year that more than a few good players leave the game forever. With the academy level clubs hording talent on 23 player rosters and coaches playing favorites and Town teams being pushed to the side as if they don't matter. I would just like to say how sad it is and I hope that most of those players listen to their hearts and find a place to play inspite of the clowns they call coaches that just manage talent. I know my daughter will miss some of her friends from the game that are going to be replaced and possibly leave the game forever. I say to them stay strong and play for yourself you are soccer player.What people don't see is that soon there won't be enough players to make 23 player rosters and it will suffer the same fate as pee wee football. Good luck to all.
You may not like it, but the Academy system and merging of clubs is very disruptive to the soccer environment. High level clubs that do not adapt will not be able to compete. TRE may be an exception because they have an established team at an older age group that isn't prepared to move, but TR as a whole recognized that that they would continue to lose kids so they signed an agreement with PDA. There is a land grab for kids, and TRE staying in place and maybe continuing to be successful is good for them, but doesn't in itself sustain a club.
Can anyone explain why Match fit is not participating in the PDA tournament in this age group?
Jeff Cup predictions for this weeekend? its tough but here are some uneducated guesses.Top flight finals between Charlotte and PDA with PDA edging out for the win.Second flight group A tough between FC Pennsylvania and United but pick FC Pennsylvania.Group B NJ StallionsGroup C CincinnatiGroup D AnandaleFinals FC Pennsylvania against NJ Stallions with FC Pennsylvania edging out the win.
I'll give you Charlotte on the one side of top flight although Santos might put up an argument. On the other side my friend, you have it all wrong. PDA will be heading up 95 before Lunch on Sunday after going 1-2-0 for the weekend. NEFC or Bethesda takes that side. Charlotte looks good for the whole thing. We'll see who nails it and congratulate on Monday. Game On! :)
If your daughter isn't "exceptional" but is looking to develop into a nice player there are a host of local town teams in Ocean/Monmouth that could be a good fit too. There are a few gems out there you just need to do your homework. I've seen the teams first hand but will not mention, lest I be accused of cheerleading. More than just TRE (who are obviously very good). Best case is to watch the team play a game. You'll know if they are being trained well. Many of thee players on those teams are the same kids that will be playing next to Academy players in school/college. Believe it!
Because matchunfit could not compete in pda it woild be embarasing
TRE has 15 girls when healthy. Need to be 18. When i said exceptional i only meant they dont just want bodies, they are looking for the right fits. Lots of girls have come to the open sessions but so far none have been right. Training sessions are always open. The girls are always friendly to anyone who comes. Call the club. come on down. :)
whats the approximate annual cost for toms river everton?
For those heading to Jeff Cup, a friendly reminder. Most of you know how bad traffic is on 95 south heading towards Richmond passed 495/95 intersection. That traffic will be worse now that the HOV lanes on 95 south are under construction and closed down. I wold like to recommend a good time to leave but lately there have not been any great times, but will say earlier tends to be better…Since I'm only 2 hours away I'm heading down at night.
4:50 I thought the score was 1-0 the last time PDA played Matchfit? Doesn't sound like gunners were that much better.
especially when you consider the MatchFit ECNL team was a newly formed team last season. I would be concerned if I were PDA
2:40 PM Do you realize how ridiculous of a comment that is commenting an a single game that you likely did not see? If you judge a team or a person on a single event, that we would mean we'd have to judge the entirety of your last year on your single comment which by itself makes you look really foolish.
The ECNL records are listed on the ECNL website, that certainly gives a more complete picture.
6:00pm Things that make ya go hhhhmmm??
This site would be better served by sharing positive information relating to youth soccer. Tryouts, tournament info, club info, positive stories about players and their achievements etc. To hear the same old same old about who's team is better or PDA sucks and cost too much is boring. I posted a video link showcasing a U14 national team player that anyone could use as a teaching tool (or reference) to show their kids. Not one comment? If you post that PDA lies to their B, C, D, E, F teams you get 2 days of gibberish. I know I know its a U14 youth soccer blog what do you expect...
The id² National Selection International Tour concluded March 10 after an 11-day trip that included four matches against Italian youth academy teams and a thorough immersion into a different culture.Three video journals are availablehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVY9Kz9nRGo&feature=youtu.beThe id² National Selection team was also exposed to former professional soccer players, including two members of the traveling party: Head of Delegation Mike Sweeney and U.S. Soccer Scout Tony Meola. Sweeney, who is a current member of the US Club Soccer Board of Directors, has a decorated soccer background, including the honor of being named to the All-Time Canada XI men’s team. He is a CONCACAF champion, Olympian and Canadian Soccer Hall of Fame inductee. Meola also enjoyed a thoroughly successful professional career. As a former U.S. goalkeeper, Meola’s soccer resume includes three FIFA World Cups and numerous MLS and collegiate records and awards. Nigel de Jong, a midfielder for Italian Serie A club AC Milan and a member of the Netherlands national team, gave a pep talk to the aspiring young professionals after the id² National Selection’s game against FC Inter Milan.
Thanks for the post.
3:59I wasn't going to post it since it's not positive. But since you commented on the lack of comments I'll give my two cents. I put the video on the big screen and showed my 3 teenage daughters. I hadn't watched the video. With out and parental input my 14yr old GK daughter said wow those goalies are awful. Followed by her sisters saying she is fast and has good moves, but the defense is slow. The goalies either stand there until the last moment or come out sliding to early. Gk daughter wonders why the the goalies avoid contact. They likened the highlight video to premier player vs d3 defense and GK. Defenders stabbing, jumping in. Zero surfing or containment. We play some top ECNL teams who are good. If this was my first view of ECNL I would be scratching my head at their development plan. She is good I'd just like to see her clips against better players. Hard to totally judge.
The girl on the video was fun to watch. Aprox. 1600.
I agree on the keepers.
What can anyone tell me about the Greater Flemington Strykers team?
"This site would be better served by sharing positive information relating to youth soccer. Tryouts, tournament info, club info, positive stories about players and their achievements etc. To hear the same old same old about who's team is better or PDA sucks and cost too much is boring. I posted a video link showcasing a U14 national team player that anyone could use as a teaching tool (or reference) to show their kids. Not one comment? If you post that PDA lies to their B, C, D, E, F teams you get 2 days of gibberish. "My Friend, It was saved to my daughters favorites. She is a young forward and she has watched it before every pre season scrimmage.It has made a big difference!..Thank you I know I know its a U14 youth soccer blog what do you expect...
5:24,I totally agree with your assessment of the goalkeeping and defending. My daughter plays both outside back and forward and her first comment was where is the defense? That said, I showed it to her as (1) a reference to the talent level of a national team player and (2) the mindset of a high level forward. Regardless of the less than stellar goalkeeping and or defending I wanted to show her this girls relentless attacking style - which you need as a forward. She was constantly attacking the defender and going to goal, which you need to do as a forward. My daughter plays for an ECNL team and you don't see many forwards like her. I have not idea if the video is of ECNL events only or maybe it is mixed with local tournament and talent. I do know that when they played in the Champions League (top 16 ECNL teams) her team won it and they scored 14 goals in 4 games. They put 3 on PDA O'Reilly to win the championship (U14) and that PDA team is good.
11:44, It has changed how my daughter now plays forward. She is a good player that can play a couple of positions (forward being one). That said she never truly understood the mindset it took to play forward at high level. It has helped a lot. Glad your daughter liked the video.
Could you post the link again? I missed it the first time.
Great video!1. That player is the real deal.....She gets it!2. The team as whole plays smart soccer.3. No one hogging the ball. Great movement without the ball. 4. They know when to deliver that precise pass to theirTeammates. 5. The forward knows when to be selfish & when to deliver that final pass for easy tap in for teammates.The answer to someone's question about how comeThere is no defense & what are the goalies doing?Simple, They are being exposed & broken down by aBetter skilled team.This video should be viewed by all girls playing competitive soccer.More teams need to play like this.
Greater Flemington Strykers is my daughters team. I like what the coach does during practice. He is very knowledgeable about soccer and transmits instructions very well. The assistant coach and the club manager are aware of what's needed and resolve things right away. There is positve energy flow when players are together. We are looking forward to have a very good season. Fair Play. Respect.Enjoy the sport parents. Let the coaches and players do what they enjoy doing while training, play soccer.See you on the fields.
Toms river gets destroyed at Jeff cup?????
NEW JERSEY SO CALLED TOP TEAMS GET DESTROYED AT JEFFERSON CUP SOUTH JERSEY BARONS LOST 4-0TOMS RIVER LOST 7-1MERCER FC LOST 6-0PDA PRIDE LOST 1-0FC COPA LOST 1-0PDA BLUE WON 2-0NJ STALLIONS WON 3-0NJ RUSH GRAY TIED 0-0
It may be a hard thing to swallow for some, but maybe the Gunners are the best team in NJ with or without their "ringers"
The Gunners had 2 very nice wins today against some very tough teams.
Sjeb loses 0-7Stallions lose 0-4NJ soccer may have a lot of GS points but that equals nothing on the field
3:18 3:47 How about instead of trying to bring down teams made up of girls trying to compete and playing their hearts out. Didn't your mother ever teach you that if you having nothing good to say, don't say it at all?
You forgot to mention that NJ clearly has one of the best teams in the region, but of course it would pain you to mention that.
No what pains me is any parent who let's there kid play 14 + tournaments and leagues a year to get points. Shoots there mouth off, gets acceptance to a big tournament and isn't competitive. Not even close. How do you ever give up 7 goals. Maybe a red card or 5 and your down a couple players but even then. Back to the drawing board. How about 6 quality tournaments next year don't worry about points and train more.
I agree wholeheartedly with chasing points. But for all of the bashing of PDA and the TRE team gloating about not joining the PDA Shore. Their top team beart two teams that some on this blog said they would never get past and the Pride competed hard but couldn't find the net. Everyone wants to bash PDA when it doesn't go well but gives no credit when it does. Yes, I am a PDA parent and yes I am very proud of how our club is competing. People are quick on this blog to bash where things are not going well, but give no credit where it is going well.
I do admit, I did not expect the Gunners to do that well as they did today. However, congratulations to the gunners, who I bet worked hard to beat two very tough teams. And I'm not a gunners parent. So stop complaining that we're not giving any credit when it's due.
pda gunners 2 bethesda0pda gunners 2 nefc 1 in the jef cup
i guess the gunners will be staying past 12 after all for those no believers
Yeah, that Gunners team are just average without the 3 O'Reilly girls. Oh sorry that was my bashing in the Fall. Give me a day or two, I'll figure out a reason to argue that today was not a good day for the Gunners.
FC COPA MILAN LOST 6-0 WHAT IS GOING ON?
Every other nj team will be coming home before 12:00 tomorrow!!
Jefferson Cup Standings:http://events.gotsport.com/events/results.aspx?EventID=32803&Gender=Girls&Age=14
Seriously 7-1 and 6-2!
gotta make a change anyone know if their is a webiste for PDA Shore coudnt find one or when there tryouts are?
ALL NJ TEAMS DID AWFUL IN JEFFEROSN CUP. THEY ARE ALL COMING BACK HOME EARLY AFTER A HORRIBLE PERFORMANCE. PDA GUNNERS ARE THE ONLY NJ TEAM STAYING FOR THE FINALS.TOMS RIVER EVERTON LOSES 6-2 TO YMS PRIDE!!! GOOD LUCK GETTING GIRLS COMING TO YOUR TRYOUTS AFTER THAT PERFORMANCE. YOU ARE NOT A TOP LEVEL TEAM!!!
11:45 you might want to check out South Jersey Academy FC too maybe another option for players in that area to consider for next year.
Tryouts for the PDA Shore will be announced by mid- March for the U9-18 girls age groups.For questions contact Lee Pollard at email@example.com,Lou Santa Cruz at 732-501-437 or Carl Leschinski at 732-241-3646
toms river got smoked at jeff cup!
tr gave up 13 goals in two games!
South Jersey not a good option. They got beat barley as well. Fc Copa the same.
seems like a lot of $$$$ for all those tournamanets and travel and cant be much less than the academies can it? Toms River has only won 1 of its last 14 tournament games and applaud them for getting out there and trying at these tournamants but maybe its time to take a different approach. Maybe time to stay home and spend all those $$$ on better coaching and training and train more instead of so much tournys.
its not SJEB its something else
What happened down at toms river? We played them in years past and they were a descent team with a full 18 girl roster. they struggled a bit offensively but had a good defense. did they loose that center back who was really good or did their goalie get hurt or something or did kids leave?
Why is everyone jumping on the PDA Shore bandwagon? PDAS B team Pride played in the third flight and could not score any goals. Give TR a break.
Congratulations to the Gunners for playing in the Jeff Cup Championship game.Now who won? Would like to also extend my congratulations to the wining team
CSA 99 ECNL wins u14 championship!
Congratulations to Charlotte! What was the score?
tr waa better with a 18 girl rooster but believed it would be bstter with 13. They still have star center back but if she was smart she would move on to better team. The also have star forward but she cant do it all. Other than those two the rest of girls are average. but with small rooster of average players that get no rest they cant compete.
Yea what was CSA/PDA score? Would have liked to stick around for that one.
Wow. I know who posted that. Shame, shame.
I posted it and trust me you don't know who I am, I'm "anonymous". I just want to know what the score of the CSA/PDA game is, its not posted yet to the Jeff Cup site for some reason. I also want to know how NEFC and Santos game went. Trust me there is no shame in that…
Why aren't the scores posted?
I was referring to 4:49
7-1 JK NEFC 1 Santos 0
Is it me or did all of these nj teams getting smoked have anything to do with not being in shape because of the lack of outside time. Seems like the florida and southern teams did disproportionately well as the northern teams did disproportionately bad. Were some of the teams playing their first games of the year outside? I know teams such as the gunners and the strikers play all over all of the time so it is not a problem. But the Barons,Stampede,TRE, FC Copa etc etc probably were stuck as to outside field time because of snow and cold. To be so bad can only be an anomolly to me. Just a theory.
Overall weather was poor and did make it a little more diffuclt than usual but there were a few nice weekends within the last month and a few nice days to also get outside during the week and all of these teams have been training indoors all winter and should have been getting outside at every chance and there were enough days. Even with the snow most cleared their turf fields and got out there.
The game was 3-1, and yes, it was a really intense and competitive game. Both teams looked very sharp, and it was really fun to watch. All the goals were scored in the first half.
Thanks for the scores. Well it looks like CSA is on a roll, won this thing the last 2 years. Hats off to all the players and the hard work they put in this weekend. Fun to watch - good luck this spring.
8:58 is right and some other teams from cold and snowy climates fared pretty well so not sure your excuse holds up 8:30. NEFC did well and theyre from Massachusetts, PDA cleared their turf fields and got out there, Manhattan Santos did well, Cincinnati made it to the semis, Quikstrike is from New York state and won their flight, Beadling made it to the finals and their from Pittsburgh.........
Congrats to ALL the teams that participated in Jeff Cup this weekend. Many teams don't even make it there. Good tournament to kick-start the season and get rid of cobwebs. Without seeing the games I would not dare knock a group of 14 year old girls. Keep up the good work kids. Good luck this season!
Lack of outdoor practice time is no excuse. The same can be said for the VA teams, and there were some that fared quite well. They have had hardly any time outdoors this season. What I saw was not kids that were out of shape, I saw just plain poor soccer from teams from NJ, PA, VA, and NY. Lots of kickball soccer - no real organization or attempts at possession, and from both ECNL and USYSA teams.
Some Data Breakdown from Jeff Cup:Champions and Finalists from 5 flights: VA(3), NC(2), NJ(1), NYE(1), PAW(1), GA(1), FL(1)7 ECNL teams across 4 flights: CSA wins top flight (I guess, still not posted). No other ECNL teams advance out of group play.GotSoccer Point Underachievers: Santos (28K), NEFC (28K), Rowdies (26K), FC Copa (23K), TRE (24K), Stampede (23K), ISA (20K), Smithtown Kickers (20K), VYS (14K), Mercer (15K)Headscratcher flight placements based on recent results and on performance this weekend: HMMS EV, NJ Rush Grey (they did reach semis in a weak group), PDA Pride, South Jersey Barons, Mercer
EDP , EDP, EDP ,EDP !!! This week end was ruined by it. A lot of the under achieves were accepted simpy because they play EDP. This week end showed how weak the EDP league is. Some very good teams not accepted who would have been way more competetive.
Wow. caught up reading all the posts the last couple of weeks - some folks so caught up in bashing, they don't even remember what they or others have posted recently. Looks to me like the teams either way down south (CSA) or the clubs with resources to travel to warm climates (PA Strikers and PDA), did well. There were postings about a couple teams playing in AZ already, and someone posted about PDA training with their new Florida branch? Plus they had 2 ECNL games last weekend. Then some clubs did play in the Bethesda tournament. I can vouch that the weather in NJ has been and continues to be ridiculously cold. 25 degrees today. Can't practice outside in below 30 degree temp, regardless if your turf field has been plowed or not. So folks, get a grip.One question I would like to know is this - has CSA won any tournaments except for the last 2 Jeff Cup events? They are certainly a very talented team and exploded through the top bracket this past weekend, but curious to know if their dominance was due to the leaden legs of teams who couldn't get outside, or if CSA dominates ALL the tournaments. Thanks.
Even after adding the Real deserters, PDA pride still couldn't score any goals. Tell me again what we are getting for $2500 plus?
It was all explained to you at the parent meeting, it's All Good! :))))
Do all of you dummies put these posts in your kids scrapbooks? What are you getting for your time on here?All scenarios regarding NJ's performance at the Jefferson Cup are plausible. As Bill Parcells often said though, "you are your record". So any rationale does not change that. Learn, prepare and improve.I am happy a few teams from NJ were out and able to represent. Many of them did not perform the way they had hoped that's part of the equation sometimes. No shame in being at the game though. This is YOUTH sports after all.-DCShore
The issue lies not in the teams that didn't perform. It isn't because of weather and practice. The issue is the tournament. It was one of the top around. The tournament committee made promises that made their life easier and saved them homework. In the end teams were there who had no business being there. The lower brackets were about the same as any home town lower bracket. The top brackets had some good teams but added some that we're not deserving. This is why games were lopsided. Throw out GS and just look at records against top teams. They speak for themselves and those teams performed as their record predicts. It's not a cut on them it's just a fact. The tournament committee has to see they screwed up and realize to be a top tournament you can't guarantee anyone anything. You have to continue to do your research and homework as always. Nobody is going to pay$1000 to beat teams 4-0++. You can do that against your local town teams. Hopefully they return to what made them who they are.
Certainly that is in the realm of possibility 9:54. To what degree some will argue...in fact many will I am sure. If fact I can absolutely see that being part of the problem...but it is impossible for me to know.How you can rule the other factors out is beyond being reasonable though. But this is the friendly internet.Our team played outdoors this past Saturday for only the 2nd time since late November. LOTS of rust and bad touches We lost. Thankfully we are just a town team made up of friends so instead of getting angry, staying upset, running to a message and putting a gun to our mouths we just got ice cream. -DCShore
According to 9:54, the top bracket for 2015 Jeff cup should be CSA, PA Strikers, Florida Krush 99, YMS and ABGC. Not a bad grouping. They are the only teams in top 4 levels of the tournament winning a game by 4 or more points. In the top bracket, only CSA won a game by more than 2 points. Using the 4+ point formula, all of the other 5 teams are equal. So the 2d bracket would include NEFC, Gunners, Rowdies, McLean., Santos, Copa, Bethesda. Odd isn't it? More than half if this group is ECNL.
More then bald the group is ECNL or EDP because promises and favoritism was shown to those groups. Not because of past performances. YMS hasn't won anything in years , didn't win a game last year but got in on EDP status. To exaggerate greatly imagine if we put every d3 and d4 team from our town leagues in the top brackets. Then said hey the pink pandas won all there games in the second bracket at JCup. Move them up to the top flight. You can't water down the competition then look at results. For the record YMS is a decent team. They are geographically all but in NJ. They had them same weather. In their league they placed 3rd or 4th. The 2 teams who placed above them were not accepted to jcup despite success at other highly ranked tournaments. Where YMS has had none. But they played EDP so they were accepted. And there is many more similar stories of unsuccessful teams being accepted. Only because of ECNL and EDP.
10:54, you misunderstand what 9:54 was saying. He's saying if you beat a team by 4+ points why go to the tournament and play subpar competition. I agree that they certainly made a mistake in the second bracket with teams like Barons, Kickers and TRE losing by 4-7 goals? They should not be in second bracket. The games played in the top bracket were very close except for one. Most of these games could have gone either way and were very competitive and thats the goal. What is important is how the teams are trending, are they getting better or worse over time. Thats hard for any tournament to nail exactly, its not a perfect science. You can make the argument that ABGC and Strikers should be in top bracket and I would not argue with that, but really whats the point in bashing "ECNL"? McLean just beat ABGC at Bethesda Tournament and Bethesda beat ABGC at regionals 4-0? Just let the kids play and enjoy the ride.
Not a PDA parent but someone who played them this weekend. The group of PDA, NEFC, NR and Bethesda was a very difficult group with no game decided by more than 2 goals. For any team team to go 3-0 I say job well done. The other side of the bracket was much easier. Charlotte was never tested as they eased into the finals, PDA played NR in a game that I saw. It was tough hard fought physical game which the referee lost a control and then became chippy. PDA was a bit tired after that game as well as playing NEFC and Bethesda in tough close games. Charlotte played Copa and McLean who should have both been in the second flight. Copa has never beaten anyone and McLean in the last few months lost 3-0 to NR and 4-0 to Bethesda. Tournament should have evened out the brackets. Talking to a few parents from NEFC and NR they said they have not even practiced outdoors before coming to the tournament. For many teams it was tough first tournament with out much outdoor practice time. Congrats to all teams that played.
Most objective people that know the NJ soccer world, that TRE and SJB were not going to be competitive in the second bracket. The Jeff Cup is a Got Soccer event and it supports Got Soccer. The measure of a team is their record against competitive opponents. Got soccer now lists Diamond, Premier Elite, and Premier teams based on points and they will tell you how many points to get to the next level. That alone sets up the wrong behavior of teams to attain a ranking that gets them placed in tournaments. The team organizers do not do the team any favors setting them up for 7-1 losses and it's not fair for the girls playing or the opponents who travel all that distance to play a poor match.
Aside from the top two divisions, the other three seem to be randomly assigned. The "Superior" division had teams that had no history of performing well, either in GS or any other results. In fact there's teams there that don't seem to even warrant being admitted.The "Platinum" division was the weakest, by all accounts. VYS is the only team with any GS points, and those were earned before the team lost all their top girls to other teams, as their result show.The "Classic" division had the toughest bunch out of those three divisions, either by GS points or results. The two finalists (LMVS & Herndon) were placed there simply because they won the last two qualifiers, but results show that they should have been admitted on merit alone and placed in a "higher" division. Anyone who caught the Classic final was treated to a show of the top two keepers in the area. They put on a clinic during the game with outstanding save after outstanding save.
Well said LMVS parent congratulations on your daughters win.
12:09 I totally agree. I'm sure every parent felt their girls were well served playing in that PDA bracket. I was there as well all the games were very competitive.
12:54-We'll put. And congrats on your win. " I think the should have been admitted on their own merit " needs to be put in perspective. In the past JCup has always said they look at your record against the top teams. 2 years ago a friend of mines team was not accepted after winning their division at Jcup the year before. They were told it was because the committee felt that they played a weak schedule and hadn't played the top team with success. So you guarantee a winner of qualifier entrance but not someone who won the actual tournament. Another team I'm familiar with was not accepted despite beating or drawing 8 of the teams in the top 2 brackets. If they are truly taking teams on merit how do you not find a place for those teams when your accepting teams that play lower competition by choice or assignments. True 1st rate tournaments show depth throughout. Perhaps you are very good. I have no idea and actually never heard of the club. I will tell you none of the teams that belong in the top flights would ever consider playing a qualifier. Because of pride or lack of competition.
Isn't PDA Gunners Blue their ECNL team? Seems like all of the players are the same?
1:52 - I'm not saying they should be in one of the top divisions. Just that the Superior, Platinum, and Classic seem to have no rhyme or reason to their assignments. There's teams in the Classic that beat all of the teams they've played in the other divisions. There's teams in the Superior division that haven't even won 20% of their games. No argument with the top two divisions and their selections.No complaints, just confusion as to how they arrange the divisions.
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EDP teams like NJ Rush, Mercer FC, YMS got in just because they are an EDP team. Look at their record they have not beaten anybody top 10 in NJ
7:56The problem with throwing that net is SJEB, Copa, haven't either. TR - could go either way. Hmms, north union united haven't beaten a decent team for ever. Accepted because of EDP.
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So much talk about the ABGC team being such a powerhouse they only win the 2nd tier because the FLA team had to play a man down for over 75 minutes . No respect for them until they prove themselves #CCL #Whatajoke #GDSucks
Didnt seem like a joke when they were smackin PA Strikers around.....
10:04Stupidest post ever. I don't care for abgc myself but what's the point #growup#dumb#whyarewehashtagging#retard
ABGC is a very good team that should have been in top bracket last week. They won second bracket last year vs. PDA's top team and then they won it again this year. Jeff Cup should account or weight that fact more when they make up the brackets. ABGC wins wherever they play, not always the final but most times they get there. No I'm not an ABGC parent. I congratulate their girls on a nice tournament.
Looked at Got Soccer ranking and points for TRE. 9400 points from a weak EDP league. Other than that nothing to write home about. And then they were crushed this past weekend at Jeff. I see a team slowly degrading to nothing.
Why does that need to be said?My guess is that the team will be just fine. They may have hit a peak but they have girls who can play the game and many will be able to play through College if they so choose. What is wrong with that?SO WHAT if Got Soccer put their point totals on an artificial pedestal? SO WHAT if they recently found themselves playing at a level above their game? Honestly so much of soccer at this age is weighted towards athletic/speed of play advantages/disadvantages as opposed to skill. TRE can play the game just fine. SO WHAT if the coaches took their players to a tournament that most others would not be admitted to? So what if they do not get admitted again next year. SO WHAT if there was a recent merger between ambitions town Club Officers and a predatory Academy that is not satisfied until all of the deal they agreed to behind closed doors are completed. Despite the wishes of present coaches, players and parents. Does this mean they have to celebrate when TRE underperforms? When did it stop being about the kids? The game?What matters is the coaches/players and parents are part of a team they hopefully love and having experiences that they love equally as well.I an think of at least 4-5 other town club teams that are doing the right thing by the players and the game. It doesn't mean that they are anything more but they are certainly nothing less. SO WHAT if they never 'get a scholarship'...SO WHAT if they do.From a guy who has seen many of the fine teams being discussed play and enjoyed the matches. DCShore
Well said 2:22PM ~
I think the so what has and always will be the attitude and conduct of the Parents , coaches and players. I'm sure there is a few decent ones in the bunch. I liken it to the Dallas cowboys. I root for the Eagles and whoever is playing Dallas. I root for my kids club and whoever is playing TR and ABGC.
5:32,Ok I'll bite. You seem to be a "Jersey" guy dishing on TR and loving the beagles. What's your beef with Annandale (ABGC) they are nowhere close to you?Just curious.
Well said 2:54! I'm with you all the way, "so what"! Digging it.I also agree with you on the town teams that are trying to do right by the players and the game. Well done job by those coach's. Also well done job by all the teams that competed at Jefferon; win, lose, or tie. They played and had fun, just like every other U14 team last weekend that played in a tournament or league game. So what!
If you look through the history of this blog, you would know why there is a distaste for TRE. People don't celebrate the underperformance of other clubs, so if if you consider why people celebrate, TRE only has to look in the mirror. People would be willing to celebrate good sportsmanship regardless of the club. You have hit the nail on the head with the struggle that town clubs will have going forwad because this is the age where skill separatesfrom the teams made up of athletes and speed.
I am all about being the better person PRECISELY because we are talking about 13 and 14 year old kids. I don't have the time or desire to go through the history of this blog. I'm sure bad behavior has come from every direction.I put a challenge out to everyone reading this board to go out and go see a set of teams play this weekend that you have never watched before. PURELY for the enjoyment of watching the game. ASSUME both teams will be less skilled than yours. TRY and look for something good in each...maybe something good that your team DOES NOT do. I am assuming many of you are from high level teams. Teams I have watched play and teams with great skill I enjoy watching. I could even tell many of you that despite how great your teams are (and I say that seriously) i know FOR SURE some of you have coaches are not teaching your players the full game because they are more worried about the outcome than increasing the level of play an decisions making from your players. I WILL NOT however because that is not the point and it is not productive. It does not belong on a message board. The point is that I watch and LEARN and yes also critique. Who is up for the challenge? We can share feedback without even mentioning a team name. It might make everyone feel a bit better.DCShore
I guess when you are on a Club's B team, it is better to go snowboarding then play soccer at Jeff Cup. They did not need any goals scored...
@1008 but she is 'hurt'! You must be mistaken! :))))
@1008 how does having bad knees allow one to snowboard? Oh, you are JJs favorite!
I left this blog open on the ipad and came back to find my daughter reading the posts. Would have preferred if she didn't have to see "grown-ups behaving badly", but she did, however, have something to say. "Dad, is that our team they're talking about?""Unfortunately, yes""Cool! If they're talking about us it must mean we're good! Nobody talks about teams that stink!"Wise words of a 14 year old.
Guess the rest of your PDA B team really stinks if your success lies with a single player. Sounds like you need her back so maybe you shouldn't bash on her...just saying. Also sounds like you don't have a team spirit if you call out your own teammates, you should probably leave if your not happy with your coach or team.
Yeah 12:08, that really happened.
8:27I'm sure that's what the Sixers coach is telling upper management right now!:)
9:13I dont see any ECNL teams at the PDA acceptance list...primed for Gunners to take it all...good setup..no Matchfit, ABGC, World Class, NEFC ECNL?, I guess all the ECNL teams are busy that day..LMFAO
U-14 ECNL is Weak as a whole. Why is Soccer Pius even an ECNL club..
U14 ECNL does not have many strong teams. Look at World Class games 8-1, 7-0, 6-2 this are not competitive games
Because ECNL is not team based, it is club based and at any given age group there will be weak or strong teams from a club. The ECNLs goal is to try and build strong national clubs. Only people on this blog obsess over u-14 alone without looking at the broader soccer picture. I'm not saying its good or bad, but it is happening.
4:05 has it exactly right. It is 76 clubs that have a tradition and track record of teaching and developing young soccer players. Plus they all have great facilities to host multiple soccer events (games). Plus its a showcase league that is set up to host college coaches at national events.
Bull crap 432" it is a money grab forcing good local teams to merge with clubs. This is not necessary and please spare me that these clubs are all proven developmental clubs. matchFit hasn't DEVELOPED a team yet. How can you keep teams in that can't compete. Thats not ELITE. Even Lowly JaGS demotes and promotes teams based on record and performance.
Define 'Elite' for me.TRUE our town team would lose to quite a few of the top teams by 3-4 goals. Maybe even 7-10 if we did not play our best game.FALSE that all of these teams would necessarily be playing any kind of elevated or 'elite' soccer. Some would many would not.TRUE they are all likely to have have bigger/faster players. Or at least more of them.TRUE our town team can not get into many of the tournaments that we would like to...which would actually help our team with speed of play...because of our lack of got soccer points. TRUE this is the very same system that most of the non #1 ranked academy teams complain about but their own clubs base their own tournaments on this system for deciding which teams to accept.TRUE PDA (the best of the best) is one of them.FALSE that almost any of this is good for 'development' or about the kids.DCShore
Also to be clear.I am far from anti PDA or anti Academy.The point is in some cases Got Soccer points clearly means a bit more to their club than some of the individual team/coaches/parents. I do not think that is clear to some parents posting and bashing teams for 'chasing' got soccer points.DCShore
7:24 / 9:48 - you just don't get it. First off I have no idea what ECNL is doing to "small town" teams because my daughter plays for larger ECNL club. Where I live all the "small town" teams are still around and doing business. Frankly a number of them should be shut down because they are doing kids a great injustice by providing them with less than adequate coaching / training. Most town teams and their parents are all about protecting their kids spot on team and playing time. They would be totally satisfied if they won all their games in WAGS / PAGS / JAGS against subpar teams. They are not interested in getting better or taking on better players if that means their girl does not start or play much. And talk about the politics! Small town teams are run by the parents, especially the parents that have the best kids on the team. Oh boy thats fun.. . My daughter left local "small town" team before ECNL was even around because the training was a joke and the coach showed up late for games. His primary job was bartending. The training my daughter is currently receiving on her ECNL team is college level. If you doubt me come to a practice they are all open to any player. Back to the money again… I pay $2000 a year and that covers everything. 2 -3 (sometimes 4) practices, scrimmages etc a week all year long on turf fields. We also go to 5 tournaments (non ECNL) and we pay no additional money for those. We pay additional for travel and thats it. Hotels, planes, gas, food etc. Stick with your local team no one is forcing you to leave. Even if big box ECNL club scoops you up your daughter doesn't have to play ECNL. She can play on B or C team, and those teams play local. The worst teams in our ECNL division still play soccer and not kick and run which you see with many local "town teams". Again who cares about the winning or losing or even if a team is very good or not. Its about teaching soccer the right way and many (not all) ECNL clubs are doing just that. And lets not forget that this is also about showcasing your daughter so that "if" she wants to play in college, and she is "good" enough that she at least plays in a league that is second to none with respect to that access.
814 can you please elaborate the developmental aspect of rostering 25 kids ? And how a team or club is Not reevaluated for ECNL status (see soccer plus elite) after repeatedly getting smacked around for season after season at multiple levels. How many lopsided games is it ok to play? I would be fime with ECNl if it was team and performance based. it is not. follow the money. Follow it right to the clubs.
814 your daughter def doesn't play in NJ at those prices.
The 22 or 25 player rosters are not an accurate reflection of situation. The ECNL requires a record of each player who plays in a game. Therefore any players who has ever played for an ECNL team in an ECNL game or event will be listed on the roster. This includes call ups from NPL and younger teams. It may also include part time "discovery players" who are essentially guests. While some clubs may sit the bottom kids on an inflated roster for certain events, most especially at u14 only fill the game day 18 (which may be down a player or two due to injury of conflict) with play ups and B team kids to see if they can play and reward effort.
Look at ECNL website for nj ECNL teams. Average roter 23-24 . These are ROSTERED players. Not who played in a game. If your not top 10 waste of money.
9:32, We roster a lot of kids and to your point many might not ever see an ECNL game. That said many do practice with us and thats very beneficial to them. Not everyone is going to make the team, and even if you do make the team only 11 can start and playing time is not equal. Very competitive. It's not perfect but I've always said let your daughter play where she is happy, developing and playing in games. All the girls who are on our roster and don't play are on the B team. They are all fine players and know what they need to do to make it to the field of an ECNL game. Like I said they practice with us. Our A and B teams are close and the girls all enjoy each others company. Its a healthy competitive environment. Our B and C teams are all developing with great coaches and they obviously use all the same facilities that the ECNL team does. I'm not here to bash small town teams. There are a number of fine organizations that are doing the right thing, but many are not. What most don't seem to understand is the business model. You need a larger player pool / organization to provide top level coaching and playing surfaces. How do you teach foot skills when you practice on crappy fields where the patches of no grass out number the patches of crab grass? Trust me I've been there. I've also seen the numbers on what it takes get good coaching and turf fields - it takes more than what many small town teams can generate with smaller pool of players. Its just a hard reality, I did not write the rules. And no we are not a NJ team.
10:24,How is it a waste of money? They are on B team with great coaching and using great facilities. They pay the same price we do ($2,000) for all the practices and same number of tournaments. PLus they don't have to pay all the travel expenses associated with ECNL travel? If some club is offering all that for less than $2000 annually be very happy you are there.
Any MF or PDA parents here to present their experience with a healthy environment and opportunity for advancemt to the a team. Would love to hear from a parent of a 15-25 roster level ECNL player
Our club is $1200 includes turf fields, professional coach, 5 tournaments and league + state cup. We pay for additional tournaments. In the last 2 years we have played teams like MSC,Yms, the Rowdies, FC Europe, Sjeb,Copa,PDA , Pa Strikers, TR, Century United, Penn Fusion, East Meadows, Smithtown Kickers , Stallions , FC Bucks, Abgc, etc etc. We have had a pretty successful run in the last year only missing the finals in one tournament. That's all for $1200. My daughter knows exactly where she want to play college soccer. Penn State. The coach knows who she is. As a team we have had dinner with her and several players from there. What would Ecnl have to offer my daughter? I'd be interested to hear.
NOTHING! sounds like youve got the situaltion well in hand. Well done.
2:12 What is the club?
2:12,As a parent who has a daughter playing in ECNL I would say your daughter is in a great spot and ECNL would not offer her anything that she is not already getting. Maybe the possible of having her seen at the ECNL national events - if in fact she wants to play anywhere other than Penn State. Great school by the way my older daughter is going there in the fall. Would like to know the club as well but understand if you don't want to say anything. Is it NEFC? LOL. Or why don't you just say the bracket they played in at Jeff Cup.
When I was down at Jeff Cup I over heard a couple of parents from the game before my daughters talking. One father said that the score should be 4 to 0. That those forwards had four chances already. I couldn't help but wonder if he ever played. Then I heard a parent on our sideline say the same thing. I was wondering if anyone knows the percentage of shots per goal ratio of the Sierra A or the EPL? I can only check a couple of games but it looks like about 1 goal in 12 or 13 shots as an average. Anyone?
Our team brings in players from other teams within the club to play with our team in league games and also in tournaments. So those Players Play About 30 Minutes A Half On Top Of The Time Already Getting From their Own TEAM In scrimmages, League games, And tournaments. We have a roster of 17 so we are not short players. In the meanwhile 4 girls suffer And TV THE Being Developed Since they only play about 15 - 20 minutes a half. What r your thoughts on this?
12:18AMIt is of course all that is WRONG with youth soccer.The lack of commitment towards players is astounding even from some of the TOP teams. I could not imagine being a player/parent watching guest players come onto the team and getting more playing time them someone already on the roster. I have even seen cases where the existing team members sits the entire game in favor of guest players. IT IS WRONG but unfortunately predictable as 'winning' remains the driving force with so many teams. NOT development within the squad. Ultimately thought it is up to the player and parent to decide jus what kind of environment they want to be part of. Some teams have policies where they strictly DO NOT take guest players.Please do not confuse this with offering equal playing time for all players on the squad. I do feel the coaching staff should have final call on all playing time and it does not need to be equal. Playing time from members of the team should be earned and it goes without saying their should be genuine opportunity. Sometimes there is no upward mobility even on a squad that does not take guest players. This is problematic too.DCShore
You are correct. Coaches should be the ultimate decider on playing time, but coaches have their biases and we know that there is an unequal treatment of kids. If you are in the favorite pool, then you get your playing time regardless of effort. Just because these coaches are called "professional" coaches doesn't make them professional.
Ask the coach what your daughter needs to do to get herself in a better position to play more. Address flaws (if she has any) with personal training separate from club practice. I never understand why people are so afraid to talk to the coach. Be positive about it and don't complain or make it a "fairness" issue. Ask what needs to happen to rectify the problem. You are a paying customer and your trusting this coach with your daughters development. You have every right to an answer. If you are afraid to talk to the coach about a concern you are having because you think this will only result in further reduction of time, you have already lost. Coaches are far from perfect, they are human. Just keep it positive.
I'm not sure what gave you the indication that I/my daughter hasn't spoken to her coach. Having been through several coaches, some are willing to have parent discussions and some less willing. My point was that often once a coach decides his favorites, they are slow to move away from those favorites regardless of what happens on the field. It is also human nature that if you challenge them on this in a positive or negative way, coaches get defensive because you are questioning their decision making.
I don't understand why coaches have to bring players from another team to play with a certain team. The message this sends is that the players whose play time is being reduced are not as good as the players coming in. In the meanwhile the guests are getting more than enough play time since they play in two different teams.
In the sometimes bizarre world of coaches, they think that constant negative reinforcement is a strong motivator. If I bring in a player from another team and bench my loyal 2nd team player then that will act as motivation for my 2nd team player trying to reach the first. "work harder and this can be you."
Think high school will be any different?
Yes, I would expect the coaching and play in high school soccer to be worse. Many people pay between $1,200-$2,600 per year for pro a professional infrastructure and professional coaching and yet sometimes you watch these coaches and think it is a 10 year old parent coached game. We've all seen the coaches that publicly humiliate kids and call it motivation.
Would love to hear from any parent that approached a coach and asked about playing time AND it resulted in their daughter getting more minutes . Just doesn't happen...
These coaches have too much arrogance and know everything that there is and place little value on what a parent says to them, and parents are blinded by little Jenny is the best player ever if only the coach would recognize it. It is a recipe for poor communication.
All fair points regarding parent / coach communications. That said my daughter has never played for a team where the best players don't play most of the minutes. And in some important games, if there are important games at this age, all the minutes. Players make opportunities for themselves and for the most part those are the ones getting most of the minutes.
Hmm, I guess I should consider myself lucky. We aren't part of an Academy club, or an ECNL club. But we hired a professional coach to coach our team and while he has his way of doing things, he still works for us. Our goal is to put our kids in the best environment that we can to foster their development. We hired him because his vision was in line with our goals. If we didn't think the coach was doing that, we would either encourage him to change his ways or get rid of him. Everyone is happy with the situation. Most of the girls have played with other girls on the team for 6-8 years and everyone gets along great. As long as the parents can see the big picture and not get too focused on having to win everything, the kids can get better. It's been fun watching the kids develop into one of the top teams in the state, and the region. We've struggled in the past in terms of wins and losses, but for the most part everyone has stuck with the plan and it's starting to pay off. We don't have to worry about where we need to try out next season, or if someone new is going to come along to displace someone on the team. Having friends with kids that play on other teams in the area (some ECNL, some Regional leagues) I can honestly state that the dynamics on this team are hard to match.We use guest players from time to time, maybe 1 or two if someone is on vacation, or we have someone injured. I've never heard any parents complain that their kid is losing playing time to the guest players. Most of their touches come during training anyway. To get out of whack because your kid played 20 minutes instead of 30 minutes is actually pretty ridiculous at this age.
I have been on both sides and it is a trade-off, a team who hires a professional coach, is hiring him to service the team, and if he is not meeting the needs of that team they can be changed by the team. In an Academy, and I use that term a bit loosely, there is a clear and purposeful boundary. The mentality is that you drop your kids off and leave them with the coaches, and you watch and enjoy. I prefer the Academy approach even if it isn't perfect, because you probably get less bias than in a parent or town coached team, but no doubt professional or otherwise, some times a coach and player click or do not click and good players get a lot more bench time and less competent players get more playing times. It definitely happens. The one thing I know for sure about talking to coaches, is that if you are seen to be challenging their coaching judgment, no coach will react kindly to it even more so if done publicly. What I look for in a coach is not fairness in playing time, but rather fairness in decision making and that is hard to come by. I haven;t seen many truly great coaches at this age group and a lot that are awful.
Does anyone have any insight into the Region 1 training at DE in April? My kid is new this year to state ODP. Obviously not invited to DE since didn't do regional camp last year. I heard its a new session and there were cuts from Buffalo making it more selective. Is it just a money grab? My interest is in the fact that my kid will be competing in July at regional camp with kids who will be well known to the program. Does it matter? Should we just bag ODP rather than pay for Regional camp this July if the team is probably already set. She is a starter on a team that has travelled nationally.
That's what is great about ODP. Every year, you start fresh...no matter how far you got in the previous year. Different coach from the previous year as you age up. Some new faces, some returnees, and some drop off. It's great to see how you stack up against others on a regional level. If your daughter is a starter on a team that travels nationally, then she should go far in the ODP system.
My 2 cents on playing time: My daughter has games where she is really killing it & days where she isn't. this effects her playing time, as it should. If shes dragging butt for some reason, she usually has reduced minutes. Maybe this is why some kids get more minutes than others?
PDA Shore U15G Tryouts April 16th (Wednesday) 630-8pm @ Toms River East High School TurfApril 21st (Monday) 630-8pm @ Toms River East High School TurfCALL BACKSMay 5th (Monday) 630-8pm @ Tom River East High School TurfContact Director of Coaching, Lee Pollard at firstname.lastname@example.org
Heard that Tom River lost to Freehold in the 1st round is that true?
Yes Toms River Milan lost in PK to Freehold on Sunday
What happened to JAGS as a competitive league? I looked at their website and it says under construction. Does it still exist?
Wrong website here is the correct one http://www.jagsassn.org/
Does anybody know what league the NJ SoccerForce Devils play in? Is it jags or EDP?Just curious!!
NJ Force-not EDP. Did anyone notice that Baltimore Mania canceled just about the entire tournament due to weather. Imagine what tournaments will charge next year to make up for the shortfall.
Anyone planning on going to the PDA shore tryout?
Why would anyone in NJ seriously consider PDA shore?? Do you not see that you will just be the cash cow D team? Why do that?. To your child???
Seems pretty close minded. How do you know it won't be a successful team? Draw talented girls? It was just a question. SImple yes or no would've been good. I will take my daughter anyway to see what shows up but whether it's a B, C or D team remains to be seen, no?
Please do not fool yourself! Let's break it down! Gunners will always be numero uno and ECNL! They need to keep telling Pride they are number 2. They will pull out one or two girls to practice with Gunners just to dangle the carrot. Atletica is barely holding it together but parents still pay HUGE money to play in Jags. Do you seriously think the new SHORE team will displace Pride in NPL or god Forbid, Gunners in ECNL??? Use your brains, parents!
Thanks for the input Gunners parent. LOL
Yeah, God forbid. HAHAHA!
If Shore team is better than Gunners or the Pride team they will replace them, or more likely ask the real good players to play with Gunners or Pride.
@718 thanks for starting my day off with a big belly laugh!!! That is a good one!! Ask pride parents how well that worked out for them!
Props to the Gunners girls. They're a solid team of talented players. Shame they have such arrogant parents. There are other girls in the state that are as good/better than some on your roster. Be careful......might be your daughter that gets replaced. OH SNAP!!!!
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