So, we are expected to believe that the coach/DOC promised you all that a certain player would be cut from the team.
Not sure why 9:24 is being singled out as BS considering so much of the discussion here is being generated by fakers, haters and liars.
Then why read/participate at all?
Wisdom from the likes of DC Shore is what keeps us coming back for more.
DC represents the great and powerful OZ who sees himself as the voice of truth and wisdom. Everybody knows him by name but no one really knows who he is.
Further to the Wizard of OZ analogy, many posters seem to embody the various struggles endured by the characters from this classic ... Dorothy (seem to have lost their way in life), Cowardly Lion (struggling with confidence), Scarecrow (lacking in the brains department) and Tin Man (heartless).
Thank you. Thank you ver much.DCShore
The OZ was just a humbug exposed by a cairn terrier.
There is No yellow brick road (your money) that leads to me.DCShore
Has the new Patriot FC team been set or are they still looking fill the roster?
what's the deal with this US Club Soccer Regional tournament?Does one have to qualify or invited or it's just pay to play?My daughter is joining a team that is playing this and I'm just curious.
It's pay to play with the winners qualifying for opportunity to compete in the National Cup XIV Finals in Indiana.
Appears as though many from existing Patriot team are leaving as YMS players come in.
12:45: Patriot FC is still looking to fill the rest of the roster with quality players. This new team is a premier level team. The existing "travel" level team at PFC shouldn't be affected, other than maybe one or two being offered spots at the higher level. You should contact PFC if interested.
To all those from matchfit and PDA going to Seattle , good luck and much success . Represent New Jersey soccer well . Good Luck
Any current u15 looking for players in NJ?
In addition to the existing U-15 Milan and Leon, I heard that FC Copa is adding a third, "C" Team for the Fall 2015 U-16.Can anyone confirm?
It would not surprise me. BIG business in soccer.Look at the Got Soccer racket. Teams playing 30, 40, nearing 50 games just for points.Lots of $'s in pursuit of something that many of the players could get without 1/4 of the expense.Worse yet...look at the lack of quality (overall). BIG PROBLEMS for U.S. Soccer. All this money for very average development/play.If not too late...have your player focus on their academics. They can still play soccer without the pressure (or buildup).DCShore
I am hoping that everyone on this board places Academics is the # 1 priority, and also add Music and the Arts in addition to Sports.Because they're not in ECNL, this is what FC Copa does, enter as many tournaments as they can to harvest those GotSoccer points so they can declare they are the #1 team.
10:00AMTo be fair there a great many orgs/clubs/business academies that do this.It's no longer enough to say "your kid is enjoying the gaming and learning" in order to justify the $'s.Even club town teams are charging near $1,000 per season just to see how many points they can get in a season.I can't decide if it is more comical or insane. But I surely know it is not good for development in soccer.DCShore
The mighty OZ has spoken.
You're right 10:00am, clearly playing as many tournaments as possible is the wrong way to develop a team or players. Practice is so much more fun than playing games.
@12:23 Yes I have you munchkin.@12:28PMPractice is so much more important than games and if you don't know that...you don't know anything.DCShore
Looking at different options in my area? What does everybody think of NJSCA, Nj Shore Boca Juniors, and JSA in Ocean County? Thanks so much for information
I heard that the new Patriot FC team has more than 11 players but still has spots for some more quality people. Looks like they're really developing a strong team, I've heard that one of their players is committed already as well. Anyone know anything about this?
NJCSA - decent team that was once fairly strong. Their actual play has always been mixed. They had a shakeup due to the coach leaving two seasons ago. Slowly recovering. I only saw 1/2 of play this year. Saw them play at least 3x the past calendar year though.NJ Shore BOCA - good/very good team. Not strong enough to compete with top teams but play a good if not mixed game.Both teams above I would have no problem letting my daughter play for as long as they met my expectations. I do not know much about JSA. Quite frankly I do not know anything about their U15 team. For now I can only view them as another outfit trying to make it a business (which is the dream for so many). I've seen very mixed play from their other teams in various age groups. Maybe it depends on the actual coach? Trainer? How well they recruited? DCShore(by Eric's command)
Nobody can command the great and powerful OZ.
Is it realistic to think that the new Patriot FC team will be able to add players of equal / better quality as compared to those who didn't follow from YMS?
yes there are still one or 2 quality players on weaker peripheral teams. If they target huntington valley type teams they will get a couple to add enough role players to fill out the roster. That is assuming they got the strters from yms and not the yms bench. No idea who left. Do they have a keepr? The one that went to pda gunners played the whole game.
The entire starting line up, other than the goal keeper, from YMS Pride left to go with their old coach at Patriot FC. It is 100% resonable to believe that the new team will be able to find quality players considering all of the better people left.
Best wishes and good luck to our NJ players on the Gunners and Matchfit teams . Make NJ soccer world proud .
Seattle here we come !!!!!!!!
Something seems amiss with the Patriot FC thing - teams don't typically breakup this way, why wouldn't role players leave to go with their old coach as well, etc.Leaving a club and hoping to find 8 new players seems rather uncalculated for a group of families with aspirations of their girls playing college soccer.Suspect there may be more to the story then just wanting to go with their old coach.
I heard the YMS team was going downhill placating to an overbearing team manager whose daughter was going to be cut. The majority of the starters/strong players said they would rather be with their old coach then to deal with the "game" that was being played. Just the typical appeasing the bottom only hurts the top. So the top left to form their own team with their old coach.
12:45. That's why parents have no business on the sidelines on in positions that influence coaching. Leave the coaching to the professionals and stop kissing a$& and let the players play speak for itself!
I meant 4:55 not 12:45 sorry
Fully expect Patriot FC to pick up players as anticipated. Perhaps one or two from teams like Huntington Valley but more likely they'll come from FC Bucks.
Manager thing helps explain one player but not other six or so who don't follow starters ... wondering if prospective players should be "buyer beware" when looking at this new team.
Why would it explain one player? I think from what everyone is saying that 9 or 10 players left to go with old coach. It seems as though each person probably had their own reasons why it made the move a good move for them. I think that makes the new team a good idea because then everyone is there because they want to be. The fact that the majority of a fairly strong and competitive team is still intact shows cohesiveness not a "buyer beware" situation. The buyer beware would actually be more relevant to the YMS team that was left behind. What made 9 or 10 strong players want to leave? Think about that?
Please help us understand what made these players want to leave.
If you are truly interested in answers, look at YMS and their organization. This isn't the first group of starters to pick-up and leave.
According to what everyone else has been saying, the 9-10 players who decided to leave YMS left in order to be with their old coach. They believed that he/she was better than whoever the club replaced he/she with. The fact is that the better players left so who knows what's in store for the players who stayed with YMS.
YMS has become corrupt, enough said.
FC Bucks needs to "beware".
Just because 10 players (maybe 1% of all travel type players) decided to leave hardly means the club is corrupt or perhaps we are all expected to believe that the other 99% have their heads buried in the sand.
How many top premier teams does YMS have besides xplosion??? I think that's your answer!! The club can't keep a premier level team and you are questioning the players that left? The 99% of the players who are still at YMS aren't top caliber players or teams. Let's look at facts here. There were only two strong teams at the YMS girl side. Xplosion and pride. Prides done. Let's look at the boys side.....no really strong teams except maybe the u14 boys team. So your 99% point is what exactly?
The fact that a club does not have premier teams does not mean that it is corrupt. The fact that half of the parents from one team leave to form a new team for themselves begs many questions and (as a previous post suggests) cause for "buyer beware".
Not sure about all the "buyer beware" stuff with Patriot FC. Obviously, 9 or 10 of the players who know the quality of the training and the Coach are already sold. If you're curious, you should contact PFC and go to a training session and see for yourself. Either it's a good fit for your daughter or it isn't. All the talk and gossip on blogs is great, but this is probably something you have to see for yourselves. On the other hand, if you're super happy where you are, why go anywhere else? It's all about putting your kid in the right position to develop and be successful. Sometimes the grass is greener on the other side, sometimes it isn't. But, you'll never know for sure if you don't at least explore your options.
8:44 actually the fact that a club can't keep a premier level team is a cause for question. But it's not worth trying to explain to you. I have no problems with YMS its a good club with good training but if I had a daughter there at the u15 age level I don't think I'd be happy seeing the girls premier teams blowing up. It would make me wonder how much effort the club puts into the top teams there. Unless they are being coached by their doc. That team is obviously okay but what about the others? Corrupt or not it definitely would cause me to wonder what is going on. But keep trying to cast suspicion on a group that chose to leave.
Does anyone really believe that Patriot FC will provide an environment free of parental influence?
Influence, yes, but directed towards a different result. The first being a new coach.
YMS Pride was a high level team, but won't be now after all their starters left. If you're looking for the team that was once the Pride, I suggest contacting PFC. If every starter from YMS followed their old coach to Patriot FC there has to be a reason, he/she is probably one heck of a coach. If your daughter is looking for a team it seems like PFC would be a good option.
I am interested in PFC. 9:03 - you have my interest. My daughter wants to play college ball and this is important year for recruitment. What regional and national league will PFC play in? What major tournaments will PFC play topflight?Are YMS going to let you have their gotsoccer points?
If you're interested. Contact the coach and go to a practice.
2:13 YMS doesn't choose whether or not PFC gets their got soccer points. Since majority of the team left, the points go with PFC. I highly recommend contacting PFC and ask to get in touch with the coach of this team if your daughter has interest. HIGHLY RECOMMEND!!
Who is the coach and how would someone contact him/her?
I'm sure if you contact the patriot fc DOC he will put you in touch with the coach
YMS has difficulty attracting and retaining quality players. They benefit from a large drawing area and a nice facility but the parent volunteers are unable to protect themselves from themselves. The use of paid trainers in combination with volunteer coaches breads an environment which can be destructive.
There are reasons for what has occurred atYMS rising U16 that only those involved are intimately aware of. The starters and top players have moved on and started fresh at Patriot FC. Still some spots for those talented players looking for another option.
Gunners tie 1-1 first gameGreat start
Winning would be a great startTool !
One goal and a tie vs a Wild Card team is not a great start. That is a game PDA would expect to win.
6-0 win for PDA todayNow we are rolling
Just goes to show how water down the ECNL is.
The concept of the ECNL is great, but when your entire club has to enroll is where they make the mistake. You simply cannot expect every team at every age level of a single club to be at an elite level. National League makes more sense, where teams get relegated if they do not belong. I'm not disputing the talent level of most ECNL teams, but it seems the way the run the league could improve if they had some sort of relegation system to oust teams that can't compete at that level.
Really, well how about Region 1 Premeir League? Strikers beat WVFC 7-0 and faced very little competition so far. As the ECNL grows, you have seen the quality of teams participating in Region 1 Premeir, decline. Where should the top girls play ? The ECNL is only 6 years old. We have seen an influx of girls on the top non ECNL teams, move to ECNL teams either at U15 or for the U16 season. We have kids willing to drive over 2 hours one way, I wouldn't do it, but people are willing, so they see some benefit. The YMS goalie moved to the Gunners. Why? She will get more exposure, there, than Patriot FC. You can look at the lists of college coaches at each event this weekend.You are correct, not all teams will be good, yet. As players that want to play D1 soccer begin to realize the exposure that the ECNL can bring, I think we will see more and more start to move, although, U17 will be late. We will see more and more Pre ECNL and younger age group feeder teams, have kids coming from more areas, hoping to secure a spot on an ECNL roster in later years. The ECNL is not for everyone. Yes, you will find watered down teams. You will find watered down teams anywhere. Will a team crush some teams? Yes. That is a testament to how good this division is. Another division champ gets beat 6-0 and probably would get beat by any of the teams in the Northeast division. Yes, You can play on a very good non ECNL team and be recruited for a D1 school. You still have to do your work. I do think the ECNL is here to stay however, and that they will keep growing and continue to make changes, that will enhance the experience for young ladies that want to play in that league. ECNL is a choice, and not for everyone. Is it the best choice, maybe not, is it the best league, maybe not. They are trying to make it so. Not everything is perfect. If you are in a perfect club, on a perfect team, at the perfect level for your daughter, then that is perfect for you, but please let me know, we will take a look.
The difference between Region 1 Champions League/National League and the ECNL is relegation. The bottom teams are relegated after every season, and you must perform to stay in the League. This isn't a guarantee for every game to be competitive, but it does create an incentive to perform by getting rid of sub-par teams. An ECNL team could be terrible, but they're staying in the league because the rest of their club is in the league. All I'm saying is that the ECNL would benefit from such a system. I'm not arguing that one league is better than the other. Each has its merits.
The Strikers are not a model for Youth soccer but they do illustrate a problem of pay to play. With that obstacle is removed, it becomes very possible to assemble a top competitive team.
WRONG, there is nothing about the Strikers model that is sustainable in the girls game.
So, I'm wondering about numbers. My daughter has played "Academy" the last 5 years and into our 6th. I've calculated the cost (including gas, tolls, hotel and restaurants, sometimes lost billing hours - I'm a WFH consultant and this is the only reason I can spend the time)as between 4-5k a year, some years close to 6-7k, when we have to fly to tournaments.Now, my daughter never had any illusions about USWNT, Pro or even College at this point (she just doesn't care for any of that), and we've scaled down our objective to just playing at the highest level.For those of you who are thinking of D1,2 or 3 or beyond, is it worth spending 30-40k for 7 years of academy soccer or should one just invest this, and use it towards college?I'm sure for most of us we just got caught up in this dream (or trying to live vicariously), is it really worth it?
Wrong how? Did not say it was sustainable. It is just a refreshing reminder in the face of this juggernaut of soccer marketing that there are very talented players out there outside of the the high-level, high-cost, heavily marketed programs.
The guy who posted 1-1 tie, not a great start for PDA shows just how ignorant people can be about soccer. Did anyone watch the Germany-France game? Great soccer by the French, dominant most of the game, and they went to a shootout tied 1-1. Anyone really think that France didn't represent well? The US beat China 1-0 and I think an objective observer would probably say France played much better in a loss against the World's number 1 that the US did in a 1-0 win against China ranked 16th. You hope that more times than not the better team wins. A 5-0 or 6-0 game pretty much shows a non-competitive mismatch and shouldn't happen at a National Final. A 1-1 score, unless you watched the game tells you absolutely nothing except the final score.Please do not let your distaste for PDA cloud every comment about a PDA team. I for one as a spectator would rather see a 1-1 tie with great goalkeeping, great defense, and a few excellent scoring opportunities, than a lopsided 5-0 game. Please be at least a bit objective otherwise we are only left to assume that you are completely ignorant about soccer.
Sleepless in Seattle?If you don't think PDA expected to win that game, then you don't know PDA. Same team lost 3-1 next game. As far as the rest of your analysis, lets put it down to a time zone change and a lack of sleep.
12:39 your analysis is fine if we were talking about regular league play this week, but we are not. We are talking about playoffs where the tip 50% of teams made the cut. I'd hate to see the bottom 50% play after seeing all the blowout scores this week for U15 and U16 playoff games. Face it, the ECNL is weak, esp with the top California teams baking each year. There should be a true champions league made up of top 1/3 teams from both NPL and ECNL.
Its not the top 50 pct. Some areas could send 4 teams whilst others perhaps one. It is one big showcase. It has glamor wrapped around it with national championships etc and by the Semis, the best tournament teams are probably left. The wild card qualification method is silly imo. Should just be the best teams in league play go in to the CL. Counting Showcase results in qualification makes no sense as it allows poor teams a route in to the CL by beating other poor teams. t also gives coaches an incentive to win showcase games instead of letting every player on the roster showcase.
If we are talking about the regular season, how many blow outs did strikers have in the region 1 champions league this season ? Plenty. They just blew out the next best team, in the final 5-0. Wow they must really be getting better winning league games 5-0 and playoff games 7-0. We can talk about how uneven some of the NPL divisions are. Again, where would you have your daughter play? If she is good enough to play ECNL bring her out to see. You don't have to accept a spot. If you are happy where you are, fine. But don't knock it until you have tried it. These national and regional events are impressive and put together extremely well, Beyond any Jeff cup or CASL. You just can't see the smoke through the trees. I could list the D1 college coaches that sat and watched each of our showcase events, many with 50 top level team coaches there, some only 25. It is the place to be if your kid wants to play D1. You are not seeing the future. ECNL clubs will have the best girls teams in each age group in the near future. I can be seen already, with rosters on younger Pre ECNL teams already. Kids coming from further and other states to get a shot. The girls that are in college now say, juniors, sophomores and some freshman did not move to the ECNL. Why would they? It was a new idea and league, and because they did not need to. They were already getting recruited and had stood out on their pre ECNL club teams (PDA south, NJSA, etc) and also playing ODP. No one is really going to change their team at u16 and U17 to go with an unproven new idea.Fast forward 6 years and it has changed. Parents with younger kids who's older kids did not go ECNL, but play in college now, are even taking younger kids to ECNL. Why? The ECNL is trying to gather all of the best girls that want to play in college into one league, with clubs that have like goals and development progression, and holds the club to a standard. It is not perfect, but it is not going away either. I would rather my kid lose every game by a goal or 2, then win every game by a 3 or 4 goal differential. Kind of like the Strikers did this year. Region 1 can relegate all that they want, no one is applying anymore. The promoted teams are just as weak as relegated teams. And the applied list is getting weaker every year. I like that my kid gets the chance to go out & see some of these west coast teams and gets beat. That way, her, & her mates understand that they need to come home and work harder. Also, everyone on my kids team is 100 % focused. There is no screwing around or laziness at practice, if so, the result is bench time, as the kid next to her is working harder. That level of commitment is hard to find. It's not fun having your kid get in the car and be frustrated due to kids screwing around at practice. So what is your idea? Go back to the good old days of town travel, with a PDA here, a SJ elite there? That's still available to all. Play there if your kid is happy. Do you think that this is all nonsense anyway, the only real soccer is men's soccer ? There is relegation in the ECNL. the MA club left and was replaced with the Boston breakers, and a CT club also. It is club wide however. I guess they are willing to cut a club some slack, if they can show that their teams are getting better, and that they are building something I'm tired of hearing how watered down rhe ECNL is. It won't be for long, and I will buy you a beer in 4 yeast if I am wrong.
You don't crush your kids dreams, just because you do not like the path they may have to take, in order to achieve them. As long as they are willing to sacrifice and be 100% committed, You drive, you give up your time, you are a punching bag when they are down, you nurture, and, you allow them to be where they need to be, whether you agree with the platform or concept of that environment.
Looks as if YMS is doing just fine this week despite all their starters having quit.
Does anyone else believe that the Strikers are not a high-level, high-cost, heavily marked program as 10:25 suggests ?Most would agree that EPYSA State Cup Champions, Region I Champions League and USYSA National League is high-level; that training 3x's a week and traveling to events in North Carolina, Arizona, Nevada, West Virginia and Oklahoma comes with a high-cost; and that placing student athletes in some of the best colleges across the country represents a well marketed program.
Don't be fooled YMS loyalist- that's not the Pride, it's the W.PA state cup champ playing in that tourney with the remaining YMS players
Let's also remember that the if you are not U-15, there is nothing for you. There is only one Strikers team. There is nothing in that Model that could work broadly in Youth Soccer. Love or hate PDA, they do put out high level D-1 College and National Level players.
NJ Wildcats Troutman good performance. Is this a new team ranked #7?
So, YMS had to take on players from western PA in order to finish out the season.
Shouldn't teams expect players to fulfill their commitment through the end of the season.
Speak of what you know- YMS season was over when players left. Don't make an issue that doesn't exist.
What in the world is going on at FC Bucks? Not a great showing in Seattle, even playing in the second bracket.
NJ Wildcats is a U14 team listed in wrong age group. Look at their history, all U14 games played this year.
PDA 1-1 tie in last gameGood job gunners
9:04: The situation at FC Bucks is not good. Better players are leaving or have already left. They seem to be sacrificing development for ECNL exposure.
Bucks has gotten stale-allegiance to players that have been there since CRUSA Attack, recycling of transients, and two player system.
What is a "two player system"?
Would imagine a "two player system" having two players for each position on the field and sharing playing time amongst an eighteen player game roster. An ideal system for youth soccer unless the team is struggling to get results which has the potential to create a divide between those who consider themselves "starters" and the balance of the team.
I think they are referring to the fact that the team was built and played around the strength of two players
Sounds as if FC Bucks is experiencing growing pains similar to YMS ... given their proximity to each other - it wouldn't be much of a surprise if the better players who are leaving go to Patriot FC ... assuming they have the courage to play without the security of an ECNL patch ... guessing a new group of "starters" will emerge and want to form their own new team somewhere ... rinse, repeat.
FC Bucks wouldn't have enough high quality starters to start their own team, especially one in the ECNL. Their best option would be to check out a team like Patriot FC. ECNL isn't the only place to get exposure.
1:12 YMS played teams like Freehold in U.S. Club Regionlas. They played no real talented teams. Plus, their entire "team" is players from Arsenal FC.
Regardless of who goes where- some combination of Patriot and FC Bucks would create a formidable team that would challenge Strikers as best in state.
Yes, there is real potential for a formidable team provided, in a year from now, the starters don't decide to quit.
FC Bucks 8-5-3 in the ECNL this year. They Won the NEWWS Tournament. One poisoned parent leaving YMS for Patriots posting the negative comments. She is working hard to fill the Patriots roster.
Buyer beware ...
To the Chicken Littles out there, the sky isn't falling on FC Bucks. If Patriot FC takes on any of their players, odds are they come from the NPL team.
5:57 I'm actually a parent from the FC Bucks NPL team and I know how things are falling apart for our ECNL team and I know that a few parents are thinking of bringing their kids to Patriot FC. The ECNL team at FC Bucks absolutely hates their coach and the team will fall apart, very soon.
It would seem very risky to make a move to a brand new team with no prior results at U16. What tournaments will this new Patriot FC team get accepted into and at what level? I see no reason for an FC Bucks ECNL player to make this move. I would think if your unhappy and truely are a "premier level" player then look to the other local ECNL clubs or perhaps the PA Strikers. Any other option seems sketchy at best, unless your daughter is not cutting it at that level.
I would tend to agree. I think once the patriot team plays and wins things will probably change though. If they do well players will make a move. Most are probably doing a wait and see approach.
10:36 It didn't work out at FC Bucks. It hasn't worked out at YMS. You have spoken to the FC Bucks parents you would like to make the move to patriots. Let them make their decision.
Imagine this.......a youth soccer organization that would go so far as to cut siblings of players that left the club as a retaliatory action against the families- can you imagine this happening? Adults penalizing children - really? Shameful and despicable.
No, it's hard to imagine...please share with us all the club so we can learn from this experience.
Agreed, hard to imagine but suspect there is a lot more to this story. Did the families leave quietly or draw attention to themselves? Did they work independently or work to convince others to join them?
Not hard to imagine at all honestly. It seems as though youth soccer is being run by a bunch of petty adults behaving as children who are trying very hard to live vicariously through them all while trying to one up each other on recruiting, game stats, tournaments played etc. Sad but true. I say that if the club the family left was bad enough to want to leave for one child then you're probably better off having your other child somewhere else anyway.
9:14 what exactly are you trying to ask? It seems there is something behind those pointed questions. Do be more upfront with your posturing please!
Simple questions really and shouldn't need any further explanation. The answers may be difficult to accept.
9:48 you mean the answer that adults running soccer teams don't base player decisions on actual talent of a player and on their own vindictive decisions and ego. Yes you're right I do have a hard time accepting that!
Retaliation against children by adults cannot be justified under any circumstances. Are you kidding me?
Everybody agrees that player decisions should not be influenced by such factors but we are naive to simply think that is won't happen. The real question here is why did it happen.
why? Leverage, scare tactics, bullying- plain and simple.
I think we all know why it happened so your continual posturing is quite humorous. It's not naïveté to expect player decisions to be made solely based on the player talent. The fact that it doesn't occur is the reason why parents shouldn't be involved in team management. Too much influence. Then you add in egos of club management and there you have it.I still stand by my opinion that if a club engages in this type of behavior on a regular basis, I wouldn't want any of my children to remain there anyway. It was bound to happen. That's the only thing 9:48 has right despite his/her self-righteous posts.
Perhaps but not in response to one player leaving...it just doesn't make sense.
10:46 - Please share with us the reason(s) why it happened.
One player, five players, one hundred players- doesn't matter. Retaliation against a child by adults running a youth organization cannot be justified.
10:56. I did. If you would like me to put it in easier to read words ....We have all seen it before. Family leaves club for better opportunity or because they were unhappy with player development at that age level. Powers that be don't like the insinuation that not everything in their club is perfect and wonderful so they cut or bench any remaining siblings to send a message.....sounds like typical teen-age behavior. Not surprising at certain clubs but it doesn't make it right or justifiable despite your continued claims. But please continue posting how it's the family's fault because certainly you are well aware of the situation based on continual posting.
Everyone agrees that it shouldn't have happened but and being that it happened for the reasons we all know about, stop posturing and accept your role in the outcome.
No posturing here just simple facts. The family in question here does not have to accept any role in the outcome since everyone agrees it is never justifiable. When adults behave like children this is the result. The good news is, the club in question has a wonderful and flourishing rec and travel program despite their premiere level program becoming a joke. Once xplosion ages out they have....well....nothing. So the karma they have been storing up is biting them right in the arse.
Try and spin it all you want, it is simply naive to think that our actions do not affect the actions of others.Surely things will all work out in the end.
No spinning needed. Thankfully it's simply black and white. No gray area here. But it will all work out in the end. When players leave that club....it always does :-)
At this point, it is all speculation. Someone posts a comment about retaliation with no specifics about the club or situation. It is a one sided story right now and there are two sides to every story. Maybe the other kid was not good enough, maybe the club cut the family loose because it was a bad family for the club. I'm sure we have all seen girls cut because of the parents. Maybe the first daughter was about to get cut and he was bitter. Maybe the parent said something to the club that was entirely inappropriate. We don't know.Retaliation alone would be wrong but was that really the case here or is someone just angry and venting here. We just don't know. My guess in this case is that it is the parents who got cut loose and the kids had to leave their club because of it.
This probably doesn't come as a surprise to anyone, but YMS is slowly dying right in front of our eyes for numerous soccer and non-soccer related reasons. They have been around for a very long time and are a bigger club in the area with a large youth participation which is why it's taking so long. They have 1 Premier Girls team left out of 6 age groups (ironic its coached by the DOC), which in the grand scheme of things is not a healthy sign of the times at YMS.This aligns with the fact that they missed a huge opportunity to be THE destination for premier girls players in this region that didn't want the ECNL experience and cost. Unfortunately, the Board and the DOC can only blame themselves for that. (Whole different conversation).Reading the most recent posts, is one to assume that YMS is the club people are referring to that retaliated against a youth player? Having been around for a while, I wouldn't put that past them in all honesty.
No ECNL teams from this area even made the champions league finals.
@506 , What team is your child on again? What is your point?
Congrats to the USWNT! It wasn’t long ago on this board that people were bashing this team. There was a few posters on here that saw the development process shaping up but most thought they were in free fall. Good to see the people at the top know more than we do. I think they are having a parade Friday, nice thing for the kids to attend.
I was one of the bashers but am delighted by the result. I was critical because the team had been consistently long ball direct soccer which they were playing early in the world cup. I didn't think Jill Ellis had the courage to change her line up which moved the team away from direct and long ball soccer. 1) Abby Wambach sitting changed the team and there was too much of an emphasis on long ball passes to her. 2) Morgan Brian going to defensive mid and playing very well (she is the unsung hero) because her play allowed Carli Lloyd to go upfront in an attacking mid position and she was a beast after that move. 3) Sydney Leroux sat after the group stage - her only strength was runs up the side after receiving long balls.The team was unstoppable after the group stage. I was wrong and happy to say so.
Seems to me like changes that many suggested were made and the USA won. I still think Ellis was forced to make changes thru suspensions, but it all ended up good. Her job was mainly to mange egos and a transition, but I am not naïve enough to think that the plan was to make that transition in the WC itself. If it was, then it was a brilliant plan. The only way to remove Wambach was to be successful without her and then win it all. First she had to fail, then be replaced , so to that end, I guess it worked. Brian was key as she is the only one who has the discipline and the technique to play a simple role recycling possession and shutting down the space in front of the back 4. Lloyd played better with no responsibility. Suits her style. I hope several retire now pre Olympics. Its time for change.
^^^ lol The US Women just proved they are the best in the world and you say it’s time for a change. I’m glad I can just sit back and enjoy with complete faith that the leaders of US Soccer know exactly what they are doing.
The change was made and Wambach, Rampne, and Holiday are able to retire with dignity, but you weren't watching the World Cup closely enough if you do not think the double yellows on Rapinoe and Holiday didn't change things for the US. Jill Ellis was smart enough not to go back to the lineup she used at the group stage, but it's hard to argue that the changes were by design.Carli Lloyd was a different player when she was moved away from a defensive role. Without those yellows, I'm not sure Brian ever becomes a starter during this world cup.
7:25 the point is that there doesn't seem to be a dominant team in tri state area. Talent appears well dispersed through ECNL and NPL. The only truly dominant team around here would be NEFC.
Any DUMMY that things the US Result was not the results because of changes many of us 'bashers' were calling for is just that...A DUMMY! The result only supports what we have been calling for. Thank you very much.Ellis made some gutsy lineup and formation decisions. The US women had horrendous early games by everyones admission. It really was not until the Germany game that you saw quality from our ladies which was an absolutely delight to watch.Yes, the U.S. is once again World Cup champs but we were a goal in two games away from being champs. We showed resolve and some commitment to evolving our game. Thankfully.This positive result may be more impactful for the future of the sport in the U.S. than most of us can imagine if it frees up coaches a bit so they can develop/evolve our game.DCShore
He sees all, knows all.
you may not like DC but he is right. Until the Germany game, the midfield was bypassed and poorly involved in the games. Carli Lloyd was pretty ineffective until she was placed in an attacking role. From the Germany game onwards I think every one can be taught a lesson about building and attack involving the defense, midfield and forwards. The home run long balls have no place in today's game. Yes you can beat beat weaker teams with long ball direct soccer, but with the better teams you need to build and sustain an attack. I think we also learned that all teams need to build from the back up. The defensive back line was solid throughout.
What is there not to like about self-righteous posts, thank you very much.
sorry people. dont kid yourselves. None of the US goals in the final were a result of building from the back. NONE. The US capitalized on set pieces and mistakes. That is womens soccer. The level of play is,IMO disappointing. Possession is given away easily, passing is relatively poor and finishing from open play is terrible. Lloyd is a fit, strong lady, but she is no technician. I saw her completely miss the ball and fall over it more than once in the finals. The USA simply re-affirmed the massive advantages they have over every other country. The fact that they had not won since 99 was amazing. Unless another country luck in to a golden generation, e are in for more of the same. Stunning to me that a team of 30 somethings can be effective in the womens game. Would not happen in the mens game.
Agree horrible soccer, but why does it have to be so? Sure women are slower and weaker just a fact. The game will always be slower than the men's game. But that doesn't mean it has to lack artistry. There is no physiological reason why they should make poor decisions on the ball, have poor technique or lack creativity. I believe that there are plenty of players in the US who have the technique sophistication and indeed artistic creativity to play a beautiful game. They just are not selected. I do however, after seeing the U17 play, believe a few, Emina Eckic (sp?) comes to mind, are being selected, but there continues to be a bias toward athleticism (Mallory Pugh) to the exclusion of the artists. The U20s I thought were uninspired. Why not develop a mix of players- athletic forwards and center backs, fast outside backs and technical midfielders and wingers. But the US seems very myopic in its selection process.
What selection process? If you believe half of what you read, they seem to have abdicated much of that responsibility to The ECNL.
The USSF designates head coaches for each of the youth national teams. April kater is the director overseeing all of the teams and used to coach the U14s (now odd years start at u15) The head coach designates multiple scouts, whose opinion they can trust, to identify players. These scouts attend multiple events both USYSA and ECNL including ODP. They also consult and scout the national training center event coaches and their sessions. The YNT coaches attended the regional NTC combine in Lancaster, PA this past spring. When watching a game- usually ECNL, national league, or ODP interregional- they usually sit at the 50 between the coaches and wear US soccer attire with the crest prominent if you look for them. The scouts make recommendations to the coaches on whom is interesting to them and deserves an invitation. the coaches themselves are also present at all major events and may go see a particularly interesting player after having been directed by a scout. In general that's how it works. The ECNL isn't the only place they scout. They have a database of players' scores on the technical testing done at the NTC events and can consult that too. But the only USYSA events where they will be in plentiful supply will be the national league events (CASL/Disney/and Vegas) and the ODP interregional.
currently the USSF mistake technical testing for technical expertize. The ability to see the picture and execute in it is my definition of technique. All these isolation based tests of juggling - both feet and head, shooting accuracy etc mean nothing when executed under zero pressure. I watch kids in these environments excel and then watch them in games- night and day. The knee jerk reaction to losing to japan and NOT winning the WC since 99 was the mantra, we must get more technical. Lets be Japan. Newsflash- we cant. in America the game seems to be a very one vs one game. Kids taking turns on the ball while others watch. the team work is lacking because I don't see players who understand situations and know how to bring team mates into play. In summary, the kids just don't read the game well and see the whole picture.Most of the players the federation picks are pretty decent individually. But many of them seem similar in style. You wont see beautiful soccer until players are picked who can work together. The USA is a star system, not a team system. Teams need variety, and a common tactical goal. Teams need unselfish players.
Never seen Pugh play, but TD Soccer see her as the second coming. Is she that good? I see the results of USA teams she is in and I don't think I have seen one win. Every game she plays, TDS say how great she is.
DC, thanks for referring to me as a dummy. Every now and then I think you might be an intelligent level headed analyst then you remind me that you are not. When you are proven wrong you shout and stamp your feet and call people names. Bottom line is I was right, some of the older players (Lloyd, Rapione) and some of the younger players (Brian, Johnston) combined to prove to the world we are the best. My daughter and her friends had a blast at the parade today! God Bless the US! We might have won that tournament with our bench players. Our coach said before the first game that they didn’t want to play their best games early but rather later in the tournament. She forecast her strategy then executed it. Great coaching if you ask me, but what does a dummy like me know.
I am not personally impressed. I watched the entire U20 WC last year. She was playing up 3 years. She was lost. Very fast, but I didn't see the creativity everyone touts. I also watched the recent NTC U20 tournament (Its on you tube still)Again I thought she was average at best, but again playing up 2 years. she is fast but tends to miss hit shots and waste great chances. I don't see her creating much for others at all. In general I am not thrilled watching the U20s. The exception was Rose LaVelle. She is a junior at Wisconsin and identified as the #1 collegiate midfielder currently. She is sometimes fun to watch for Wisconsin, but the USSF (Michele French) in its infinite wisdom, played her too far back as a holder in the u20 WC (shades of morgan Brian). She didn't have the impact that I think she could have if positioned behind Linsdey Horan. Instead, when Pugh couldn't handle the responsibility at attacking mid, French played her forward and pulled Horan back. French's positional decisions hamstrung the US with multiple players out of their best positions. reminds me of the recent proceedings.
I want to be like DC
I watched Pugh on youtube. I saw some things i liked. Definitely can penetrate and as some speed. Looked to have good feet as well. Looks like a winger to me, not a CM, but would need to see more. I hope she is not one of these kids who looks like a world beater against poor teams and disappears against good ones. I the japan game she had some good moments, but not many. That is the problem with the womens game at the international level, especially youth. There is a lack of competitive games.Players dominate, get complacent and then lose to the one good team they face.
If I'm not mistaken wasn't the great OZ a fraud and mislead the people......to get what he wanted because he was too much of a coward to kill the wicked witch himself..........you are right I do see a resemblance and a direct correlation between the two lolEric Harris
Eric, this has been a discussion on US Soccer, do you really need to make it personal? I can't find a single PDA comment ion this stream.
Where is GW coaching now?
GW is right where he's been for the past two years.
Copa seemed to have struggled at the NPL Finals, once again, it seems NJ clubs at all levels struggle when leaving the state.
Can someone please explain to me how FC Virginia is ecnl, npl, region 1 league, and play in state cup? Is it more than one team or something I don't understand it.
FC Virginia Premier is not the ECNL Club and that is the team playing in the NPL Finals. No different than the PDA Pride and the PDA Gunners. Well maybe a little different since the Pride will never see the NPL Finals.
From what I understand, FC Virginia has a pool of about 35 players that participate in multiple leagues, etc- not two or three different teams.
My understanding it was the ABGC Premier 99 team from last year that went over to FCV. That team for the most part participated in State Cup, ECNL, NPL, USYSA National League, Region 1 Champions League, ECNL Seattle, and NPL Finals. FC Virginia Premier 99 is the same team as the ECNL team. FC Virginia did have a large roster in the beginning, not anymore.
Good try 7:50 PM. Let's brainstorm the ways you might try to feel better about yourself tomorrow ... punish a pet, steal someone's parking spot, short-tip the waiter/waitress, take candy from a baby. LOSER !!!
@ July 11, 2015 at 9:21am I’m sorry I didn’t see the disclaimer that I am only allowed to make responses to certain post…..I am truly disappointed in you because you should know better to know that I respond to whatever I feel and whoever doesn’t like it…………………..I guess get over it. I only find it odd that you would respond the way you did. Did I say something that was incorrect. I seen several times and I also took my kids to see the show Wicked which ties it all together so I would say that what I said is correct in my assessment. Eric Harris
9:37 You are right, you are free to post what you want without a disclaimer, It would be nice if just once you could post actually post something about soccer being that it is a soccer blog.
What did 7:50 say that was so wrong?? Pride is imploding on themselves, they won't see the finals in anything if the coach/DOC doesn't stop his nonsense.
3:55 LET IT GO ALREADY! So your daughter got cut, get over it man.
U15 Girls soccer should be about development and progression, not about winning or losing. Listen I get it we all want to see our girls play well and win, no one likes losing. Its a shame if there are clubs out there that are just looking to field the best team at all costs. That's not about what we want as parents. We want our girls to develop into young responsible women with a chance to be able to continue to play the game they love. All the negative talk on here is Ridiculous. Listen we all have choices if you dont think your Daughter\son are getting the proper training then go else where, if a coach cuts you, you look else where because you don't need to be there anyway.
Pride coach didn't cut anyone, no one showed up at tryouts.
2;43 I disagree, yes we all want our kids to develop, but whether we liking or not, kids enjoyment comes from competing and yes winning. Even at age 7 when scores weren't kept, the kids always knew who won and lost. I've never seen a kid come off a field after a 3-0 whooping and say "wow, that development felt great today." I believe that winning is a consequence of good development, anyone who has driven 8 hours to a tournament knows how good that drive is when your daughter's team wins and how bad it is when they lose.The negative talk is what is is and there will always be trolls. That is the nature of the internet.
Will agree with 6:22 that winning/losing is part of the game both of which support development and that there is no point in trying to control the trolls.Given tenor and frequency of the posts, it seems that it was the parent who was cut, feels guilty for having negatively influenced their daughter's soccer experience and has burdened themselves with an insatiable quest to justify their actions.Blogs such as this can benefit the trolls by providing an arena to release frustrations. Unfortunately, nothing can undo their actions and the benefits tend to be short-lived. Hence why they return again and again seeking additional release. Pretty sad really but better then some of the alternatives they may be capable of.
@622 as i mentioned at u15 it should be more about development, trust me in the last 10 months we have been to SC, NC, Fl, MD, MA, WV and Albany so driving long distance is something I am aware of. You are right about the winning the girls dont care as long as they win. The difference is how they competed and what level of competition they played. As you know some times we travel far and the games can either be non-competitive or they can be really competitive. In order to develop they should be training all year round and playing to equal competition. In less then 3 years this may be over for alot of the girls if not sooner. I guess it depends on what the future holds.
Winning is a function of competition. The point is that to sacrifice development for simply winning is fools gold. Teams should be playing in an environment where they are challenged and nothing less that top performance will equal wins. The problem with the girls game is that you can win games at the highest levels with one or two outstanding performers. Do you stay on a team that wins because of this if your child is winning, but not really contributing? Winning is your child enjoying the sport and getting a chance to play it at the next level. The perfect team environment will be one in which you win a few more than you lose and are challenged the whole way.
At 904, good to see that Dr.Phill is now on the blog. You figured me out, I am the only one who ever wrote a negative post about PDA, yup, just me. Well, I better get back under the bridge, you caught me, well done, sir!
11:56 I guess the point is, why the need to keep pounding the same issues over and over again. The issues with the Pride have been well documented and it's a team that never lived up to its early promise. We get it, move on.
Wait ....did NEFC lose?
yes 2-1 to FC VA- top roster of ECNL/National league players
Good luck to our northeast representatives in Indiana this weekend at the Club Cup Nationals. FC Quickstrike and Toms River Everton.
Penn strikers to usysa nationals good luck!
That is the usysa nationals ?
Good Luck in Indiana Quickstrike and Toms River. You've been great competitors this season and we wish you well! (A Copa family)
Good luck to my daughter. You've been a great competitor this season and we wish you well.(Future USWNT family)
Really 11:13? Obviously you're trying to disparage my comments but I won't feed into whatever insecurities you might have. Yes I am a Copa parent and am very proud of our girls. At some times I have thought they are fantastic and other other times wonder what the he$% they are doing during a game. But it really has nothing to do with me. It's how the girls feel after they come off the pitch, win or lose. They know when they play well and when they play poorly. It happens to all teams. We've played Quickstrike and Everton multiple times in the past and sometimes have won and sometimes have lost. Although I wish our team was representing NJ in Indiana, I can still rise above my slight envy and wish our somewhat local teams good luck.So once again: Good luck Quickstrike and Everton.(And of course 11:13, good luck to your daughter on the USWNT....Can I get a ticket to one of her game?)
Good luck to Hershey Elite in nationals!
Any scores yet? How did FC Copa B team Leon do this morning out at Nationals.
What is the deal with Nationals and who gets to pick these teams?
Those that advanced to "nationals" played in open regional tournaments that anyone could participate in - not exactly a representation of the top teams by any stretch.
I see the soccer snobs are out - Another version of "if you are not in my exclusive club, you are not good enough." Another way to look at it is that it is an open cup so it is more representative because is an open cup and anyone can enter. No different the the NJ Cup or State Cups. It still is a National Competition and anyone going to it should be proud for competing.Are the ECNL National Finals any less valuable to teams in the ECNL because teams like the Strikers and NEFC have no way of entry even though they have shown themselves more to be more than worthy competitions?
Or won their respective US Club State Cup. Unlike USYS there are no Regionals first so it goes straight from state cup to Nationals or straight from the open tournament to Nationals.
NEFC and Strikers are good teams.The top ECNL teams are better. They play better competition on a more regular basis. Neither team would make the ECNL finals.
8:58 You miss the point of my post. A poster was essentially making a comment that the National Finals are not true Nationals. The fact is that it is a National Tournament like what ultimate cumes from the US Soccer and USYS State Cups and it is open to any one, so it is a true National Cup an a lot of fun for the kids participating whether or not it meets the level of competition for some of the soccer snobs. Whether the Strikers, NEFC or a host of other teams around the country, there are many clubs in the country that can and do consistently beat ECNL clubs and yes they do sometimes lose as well. But a competition by picking a choosing at a board level who gets to participate in a competition is less a National Championship than tournaments that are open entry.The ultimate point is rather than people coming on here and commenting on kids going out and competing and enjoying the travel of a National Cup, why not either not post or just wish the girls well instead of criticizing anything that is not the "Elite" level.
This is where US Club dropped the ball. USYSA will never get the ECNL teams in their NCS open tournament. US Club can but they need to make this the top of the pyramid by making the ECNL Champion and runner Up getting an Automatic bid plus the NPL champion getting an automatic bid. Then use their regional events to fill out the rest. US Club soccer can recreate the old European "Treble" that all teams wanted three trophies in a single season. For Us club it would have been, to bad these people have no vision, with this move they would crush USYSA as most team would want a shot at the ECNL teams (the best of the best) and the college coaches and NT scouts would go crazy. And no worries ECNL when the USSF gives you the go you don'y have to worry about players jumping ship for other options as you would still be at the top of the pyramid1. National Cup2. State Cup3. League Championship
My daughters team did not make the "Nationals", and I'm not really sure what this was all about as this is our first time, but we have friends in teams that made it to Indiana to play teams like the Pocono Elite from PA. It's really expensive to travel that far to play a local team. And what does the National cup mean anyway? Does it get you exposure to college recruiting?
National Cup is just like any other tournament. It certainly shouldn't be confused with a "National Championship". There is much greater competition at the Disney College Showcase, PDA Tournament, WAGS, etc. Calling this "Nationals" is really a stretch.
Agree completely with 8:15- this is just an open tournament that anyone could enter. "National" is a bit deceiving when you look at the teams competing, specifically the u15- primarily teams from PA and NJ- why travel to play teams in your backyard?
disclaimer , my child did not play in any of the national events. They are fun for those that do, and the bigger the league, the more credibility I guess, but I prefer rest from games at this time. Most have had long seasons and now is the time to really work on touches before the HS season starts and bad habits can set in.
High school is a generator of bad habits
Nothing any bozos on this blog say, can take away from some great groups of girls who battled through some grueling Us Club Cup tournaments to become their respective US Club Cup State Champions. And nothing can change the experiences that these 15 year old girls had ,going to Indiana to play in their National Tournament. Cmon folks. Lets not sit here and try to degrade that accomplishment or make it out to be some footnote tournament. I was looking at the Bio of a top recruit freshman at a D1 school while signing up my daughter for a camp. And the very first line of that Bio said 2014 US Club Cup State Championship. Runner ups at US Club Cup National Tournament. You cant just be in it. You have to win your way in. And for the rest of their lives they will remember the summer that they were State Champs and went to the Nationals. No matter what goes on in this small minded blog.
Hey 4:29, can you tell me what state champ from NJ or PA played in the Mid-Atlantic Regional that then advanced to Nat'l ?
4:45 The Penn Strikers will be competing in a National Championship this week. And by the way, this is a Region 1 blog, not just NJ and PA. Why the need to have to try to diminish the accomplishments of girls competing at whatever level. If the kids are playing at the right level and they are competing then more power to them. Your soccer snobbery is coming through loud and clear.
I think the point is just that the US Club soccer format for a nationals seems a bit flawed. Winning a state cup is certainly a nice accomplishment in of itself but shouldn't a team then have to go to Regionals and win that before being able to go to nationals. Also many of the teams did not even win their state cup but got straight into nationals from winning a tournament such as the Mid-Atlantic. As merely an example YMS Pride lost the PAE state cup in the semis but then got a second chance by signing up for the Mid-Atlantic tournament and won and then got straight into nationals. Not a commentary one way another on YMS but just merely an example of one of the flaws in the US Club format. Penn Strikers are going to USYSA Nationals and that is after winning PAE state cup and then Region I.
The girls didnt choose the format. They played the games, won the games and moved on as the format took them. If you win your state tournament you represent your state in the National Tournament. If you dont then you must go the round about way which is also difficult. Are you going to try and cheapen these girls accomplishments with what is essentially your opinion? Remember what momma told you about opinions. And anyone can buy a super star team and run through any tournament they want and call themselves Champs. That is the easy way. Theres my stinky opinion for you.
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