Wednesday, September 25, 2013

U14G - U14 Girls Youth Soccer

This page is focused on Under 14 girls youth soccer in Region 1. Everyone says this is the 'nice" age group both internally and externally. Stay tuned.

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Anonymous said...

Freehold has always been good. Along with Toms River, Wall and a several more down in south jersey have been great programs and they do get kids in and out of those programs but they have always been a good club so there is no surprise to me that they are in the state cup and doing well.
I never said that “PURE athleticism” was what was all needed. I said that in my opinion regards to all this soccer being played all year round in order to try and achieve greatness at the sport seemed like it was not the right formula as to if you did more things other than soccer help you become a better athlete it could help you be a better soccer player. I am sorry to say maybe your definition of athlete and mine are two different things. I think the US National team has very few top athletes as far as what I see. Now they are talented young men and women in their own right but athletic……..very very few in my opinion. Sure the US has tons of athletes and yes I would say some and probably some of the best in the world in my opinion but they don’t play soccer. They play other sports other than soccer. The top athletes play basketball and football. That’s my opinion but we all know that’s true. I would agree when you say the winning part of that’s what we focus on. That is a fact and you or I ain’t changing that lol. YOU PLAY TO WIN right isn’t that the reason we keep score at U6 U7 games lol YOU PLAY TO WIN. Now we won’t admit that but you are right that mentality is wrong but hey its been that way for years before you and I were born I bet. I personally don’t care about winning and yes I am a PDA parent as I have always stated but I really don’t care about if my kid wins or loses but more or less did she get better and did she do what she is learning in all these training sessions. Is she developing through trial and error and most importantly does she love it and want to come back the next day. My kid loves where she is at until they decide that she is no longer either good for the team or helping the team. I personally am not concerned about the letters on the chest of my kid or any kid. Someday those letters will change as they continue to grow older and more on from this youth level and you can only hope that what they learned at this youth level helped them either reach their goals or put them on the path to do so.

Anonymous said...

@8:30
Remarkable response. You showed me.

@10:23
I can (and always have) only agree with your assessment of TRE and Freehold. Very well-coached and solid teams. A team most of us would be very happy to have our daughters play for (minus any drama).

There are a handful of other town teams that I have observed that are in this category as well. I am sure there are more than I have not observed. Let them remain nameless but parents should research these options. MOST IMPORTANT go and watch the teams play. DO NOT pay attention solely to records. There are some real diamonds in several clubs in the Ocean/Monmouth area.

DCShore

Anonymous said...

@1:30 I think edp is as competitive as NPL. At least in EDP if you don't perform your booted down or out No recourse for non performing E CNL and NPL teams. And there are glaring weaknesses in both those leagues.

Anonymous said...

Not really sure why it matters if they are a town team or an "academy" if they have the right coach and trainers who cares what letters are on the jersey?

Anonymous said...

EDP strong? Let's see how Nj plays out but in Pa state cup no EDP team made it to the semi-finals. All EDP teams combined for 1 win. That's hardly strong. Pretty stupid of tournaments to grant automatic acceptance to EDP teams. Makes for a weaker tournament.

Anonymous said...

Also an issue is the fact that a good coach finds lopsided games a waste of time. So joining EDP is pointless. Pags has much tougher competition and was represented by all 4 teams in Pa state cup semi-finals

Anonymous said...

Fc Delco

"Schedule will be posted May 5th"
"schedule will be posted May 7th"
"Schedule will be posted May 8th by 5pm"
It's 5:15 and no schedule!!
Really? Just say by May 10th if you post it sooner your working hard and everyone thinks your great. Now you look like your full of it.

Anonymous said...

Bet PDA is just ecstatic about the Bulldogs losing to freehold. PDA Sore. ;)

Anonymous said...

Is it the year of the Town Team? Here comes the rush!!!!

Anonymous said...

NJ Cup predictions? Freehold vs PDA?

Anonymous said...

I thought the NJ Cup was for Club Soccer teams. How do the USYS teams enter? I saw that the NJ USYS State Cup was last fall, and there looks to be some US Club teams entered there. Do they allow crossovers in both competitions?

Here in VA we have only the USYS State Cup competition and no Club teams are allowed to enter, although some teams dual roster their kids on USYS teams so they can play in State Cup.

NOVA

Anonymous said...

PDA must be relieved, they could not beat NJSA.

Anonymous said...

Hey Va worry about your your weak NPL what a joke .....BTW who is the best team in VA now ? With ECNL and NPL I never see the ABGC team winning anything .Water down region 1 or State Cup I heard that the ABGC team was moving to Ashburn anything truth to this ?

Anonymous said...

njsa couldn't beat a town team so I'm sure PDA is very relieved!!!

Anonymous said...

@12:21 - Why should I worry about it? I really don't care about VA NPL. The top teams in VA right now (in no particular order) are Annandale, Chantilly, Herndon, LMVS, Richmond Kickers, and McLean ECNL. The first 4 listed are all in the final 4 of the VA State Cup.

Yes, I agree that the proliferation of leagues is watering down everything. No single league will have more than 1 or 2 top teams, so league play will not really mean much to anyone. Tournament play will be where all the tough competition will come from and league play will be reduced to training exercises. But that's pretty much expected as you get older - The "showcase" tournaments are where all the attention is focused. It will be interesting to see how everything shakes out. I am curious to see how the Club teams will approach their ECNL/NPL/CCL/WAGS rosters. I don't see the talent pool being large enough to field competitive teams at all levels. At least in McLean's case they dual roster their girls between the ECNL and CCL/WAGS teams, but I don't think that the ECNL/NPL teams do that.

The Kickers and Strikers are merging, to that team has been split up. The Strikers ECNL team (that wasn't very competitive) is now made up of half of the previous roster and half of the Kickers roster. That should make them more competitive, but whatever team they field for NPL should be weaker. I'm not sure if any of the clubs/teams are going to dual roster kids, so the State Cup landscape will change somewhat. Herndon, Chantilly, and LMVS should all stay pretty much intact, but with ABGC going to NPL (at least that's the assumption), they are no longer in the picture.

As for ABGC moving to Ashburn - that's a new one. ABGC actually came from Ashburn (ASC Premier) back at U12. There's always been rumors of them wanting to become the FCV ECNL team, but they wanted to displace the existing team and move the entire team in, and that's not going to happen. Since FCV is now aligned with Ashburn, your rumor is sort of technically correct, but now with their parent club joining VA NPL, you would think that they would be headed there.

NOVA

Anonymous said...

Need some help if anyone has some info. My daughter is u14 and plays soccer 24/7. She has to be told to take a break and do other things. For the last 2 years her feet have been hurting bad. She has very, very sweaty feet. Her foot skin is always pruiny when she takes her cleats off. She doesn't get blisters her skin just rubs raw. Skin loose. I've tried cheap cleats, very expensive cleats , better socks, 2 socks and any other thing I can think of. Has anyone dealt with this and what worked. I have considered seeing a specialist but can't think how that would help. She limps around the field from the pain.

Anonymous said...

9:41 It sounds to me like you have a moisture issue that if not managed and controlled will continue to be a problem. If she has sweaty feet, the mosture will cause a separation in the layers of skin and causes separation of skin. My suggestion would be to add an extra layer of wicking socks.

Anonymous said...

don't mess around with it. See a podiatrist.

Anonymous said...

As a long distance runner, the nike anti-friction socks are very good as are the Wrightsock. it may be owrth a try to wear as a bottom layer to see if it keeps the moisture away and reduces friction.

Anonymous said...

Anyone have any info on Barcelona??

Anonymous said...

Spray her feet with antiperspirant (not deodorant)

Anonymous said...

kangaroo leather shoes

Anonymous said...

9:01 - HBC in Long Island got kicked out of their NPL for no-showing too many league games. All teams have to cease play in their NPL league immediately. Agree with too many leagues. Don't join if you don't plan on playing all of the games in all the leagues you sign up for.

Anonymous said...

Anyone know the results for NJ cup semis?

Anonymous said...

All PA final PA east strikers beat VA ABGC 1-0 Century United 3-2 over Manhattan Santos. Where are the NJ teams?

Anonymous said...

All PA final PA east strikers beat VA ABGC 1-0 Century United 3-2 over Manhattan Santos. Where are the NJ teams?

Anonymous said...

The NJ teams along with all the other Top U14 teams are playing ECNL is that hard to figure out ?

Anonymous said...

NJ only has 2 teams in the ECNL. Only one of which is considered a Top U14 team. ECNL has both good and bad teams. There are plenty of other teams outside your little ECNL league that can play soccer.

Anonymous said...

Regarding NJX Barcelona, my daughters friend played on that team and she has indicated that team is attempting to make a comeback with plans to have a former professional soccer player as the coach. Said there would be tryouts soon but did not specify when or where. If anyone has more information please post, this may be a great option for many.

Anonymous said...

pda vs freehold in final Just be factual - freehold just doesn't have the athletes or agressiveness to stay with pda. Won't be very competitive, should have been PDA vs njsa.

Anonymous said...

pda vs freehold just stating the facts - freehold can't match pda for athletes and aggressiveness - not going to be competitive - should have been njsa

Anonymous said...

Are you kidding njsa just lost 6-1 to nefc that and there lost to freehold does not make playing for njsa worthwhile,now there hoping the move to pda will somehow magically make them a better team apparently developing players has not worked for them so there out to recruit players with the pda logo, xeems to me like most girls are scared to make a mistake on that team and the rest are favorites that will never lose there spots even though they never seem to get it done
Please let me know the last time njsa ever actually won anything, seems to me like some of the parents are making the calls, its like daddy coaching at an academy level

Anonymous said...

@11:05
Agree on PDA's strengths over Freehold.
Disagree that it still can't be competitive.
In my opinion the match can be close/competitive but a PDA win by several goals would not be a shock either. No matter what we think they still have to play the game and I just wish I could make the match.

@12:53
I think that argument has two sides. Sure, some current NJSA parents/coaches may be hoping for an increased draw in talent at tryouts (so long team mates) but PDA's motivation is equally cheap, convenient, no?

DCShore

Anonymous said...

Agreed pda definitely needs the bulldogs if not they cant field a u15g team, pda u14g wont have a team this year because not enough girls showed up

Anonymous said...

Congrats Freehold! Let's hear for the town team!

Anonymous said...

What happened to all of the comments?
Who actually moderates this board?
(this is a question I always had)

DCShore

Anonymous said...

Yeah, good question.

JerseyShore65

Anonymous said...

In the past I've seen older comments get dropped off so the total number of posts doesn't exceed a certain limit.

NOVA

Anonymous said...

These were all comments made in the last 24 hours.
Does anyone know who admins this sight?

I'd hate to think it is the parent of someone on one of these teams/clubs/academies.

DCShore

Anonymous said...

Rumor has it that PDA has taken over moderation of the blog. They are supressing comments to avoid the public discussion of yesterdays loss.

Anonymous said...

545 you could be correct! Who would want to pay all that money to be on a B team that could not beat a Town team?

Anonymous said...

Someone please name me a good "B" or "C" team from a large academy? Oh let me answer that, there aren't any. So for all you "town teams" crowing about beating one please spare us the gory details and celebration of mediocrity.

SID

Anonymous said...

Mr. VA guy, what happened to ABGC Saturday? Thought they were the favorite to take the title. Still have a chance through regionals if they win out in State cup. Good luck to a great team.

Anonymous said...

SID,

In Region 1. I would say NEFC and FC Stars have very good "B" teams. Other than that you are right. I think it is funny how most people on here are referring to the Pride as simply PDA. I can't believe how much talk is centered around a "B" level NJ tournament. But then again all NJ teams outside of the Gunners are nothing but "B" and "C" level teams. Copa hasn't done anything since winning last fall's state cup. Stallions and Toms River had poor showings in Region One. Why for such a great soccer state is their only one high level team?

Anonymous said...

SID,
It's a shame that you don't actually read what people write. It's a shame you write what people on this forum have to read.

There is an encouraging amount of really good soccer going on, at the Academy and Town Club levels. That is good for soccer and good for the game.

Freehold winning just demonstrates that.

DCShore

Anonymous said...

To 829 have you ever witnessed PDA parents when the soccer robots are losing. I know it doesn't happen often but when it does, it isn't pretty.

Anonymous said...

@10:12
The classic "What's going on with NJ Soccer?" question.
*facepalm

DCShore

Anonymous said...

@10:25
In 95% of the cases/teams....is it ever pretty?

DCShore

Anonymous said...

PDA must be re evaluating their B and C team selections. If my daughter was in the bottom third, I would be very worried.

Anonymous said...

Hey NOVA better hope your ABGC team can win there state cup this weekend in VA or do you have a back-up plan like "no worries we are going ECNL" that team has gone down fast in the last year .

Anonymous said...

@1:13 - Why should I care if Annandale wins state cup? I know the coach and some of the kids and parents on the team and wish them well, but my kid plays on another team so their results are not that important to me.

I will say, though, that after losing a good number of quality girls to McLean ECNL they have still performed pretty darn well. Disney Finalists, JeffCup Champions, R1PL Division winners - all not bad results.

NOVA

Anonymous said...

10:12 to answer your question its simple. There are only a finite number of truly talented players out there at any given age. Not just kids that are athletic and fast (that's a given) but more importantly kids that love the sport so much that they are willing to make major sacrifices in their lives. They train more , they travel more to be on good team, they give up playing other sports etc etc. These types of players are scattered over every state. The trick is to get as many as you can on one team. I laugh when I hear people talking about developing "their team", every team is doing that.. I'm talking about teams that win regionally and compete nationally. Those teams have exceptional players on them that more than likely used to play for other clubs. They have congregated to the best team in the area to be around the best girls regionally in the sport. Doesn't happen often but when it does watch out. I'm not saying you can't develop a core group of girls from say U10 into something great, but I have only seen one team in my area do that and they hit the talent lottery with that core group of girls. Most of the time the 2 or 3 best teams in the area start losing players to the best team.

SID

Anonymous said...

DCShore,

You should keep the emotional stuff out of your responses, and just stick with the facts. You are starting to sound like one of the many parents on the sidelines who say "nice ball or nice try" every time Sally kicks it to the other team...

Anonymous said...

Sorry I forgot to scribe my pen name to my last comment @8:41.

SID

Anonymous said...

Does everyone need a pen name? It doesn't take away the anonymous nature of the board, but could be fun.

ANGRY BITTER NJ SOCCER DAD

Anonymous said...

Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing....after the check clearing the bank!!!!

ACADEMY SOCCER PARENT

Anonymous said...

GotSoccer Points Matter

#1 TEAM IN THE COUNTRY

Anonymous said...

GotSoccer Points don't matter we don't play many GotSoccer events.

#10 TEAM IN THE STATE

Anonymous said...

9:32 thru 9:44 well done, too funny!

SID

Anonymous said...

We will be holding open tryouts for the 2014-2015 U15 Girls NJX Barcelona team.

The tryout dates and location are as follows:

Friday, May 16th 6:15pm - 7:45pm
Wednesday, May 21st 6:15pm - 7:45 pm

Both tryouts will be held at Cross Farm Park (10 Longbridge Road and Rte 520), Holmdel NJ - Field 2 (see attached map)

Players should arrive in the vicinity of field 2/concession area 15 minutes early for registration.

email njxbarcelona@hotmail.com for more information

Anonymous said...

NJX making a comeback. I KNEW it. Good . Hope they do it at u-16 as well .

Anonymous said...

What is the significance to Match Fit of NJX Barcelona making a comeback.

Anonymous said...

@8:41, SID
I'll stick to my guns. No one is writing 'emotion-free' but I think I keep it fairly fair and straight forward.

"You are starting to sound like one of the many parents on the sidelines who say "nice ball or nice try" every time Sally kicks it to the other team..."

Yes, I'm sure I do. Next.

DCShore

Anonymous said...

12:36The significance is people are beginning to
Wake up.

Anonymous said...

Freehold beat PDA

DADDY COACH

Anonymous said...

10:12 What's going on with NJ soccer is that teams have been pulled apart by the soccer changes in NJ and nationally, but a lot of the change is normal. I think that you will find that things will settle down a lot at U-15. Teams are breaking up and the most talented kids will settle out at a few clubs. I think you will see a narrowing of the talent gap between the top 5 teams and they will become more competitive. What will also happen is that at some point, your kids will want you out of their soccer business, they will start driving, and you will be less interested in writing on a soccer blog.

MERV

Anonymous said...

good for Freehold. Does the daddy coach coach the team full time or use other paid coaches to train the team? if he coaches full time maybe the other daddy coaches should follow his playbook.
JerseyShore65

Anonymous said...

Will any NJ team ever match the gunners? Do the starting 11 pay any fees?

Anonymous said...

I do not think it is realistic with a state of our size to think that the 24 best kids play for PDA and there is such a drop-off. If you go look at the rest of the age groups, in most cases PDA is not the only highly competitive talent, this is because there is consolidation of talent at this age around a few clubs. It will be hard to judge though going forward how good clubs are because PDA is moving away from playing in the same leagues and tournaments that rest of NJ is not. The NPL and ECNL are hit an miss with talented clubs. The Gunners are good but not great against teams out of NJ. I frankly don't think this is a question of coaching because their are a lot of good...and bad coaches in NJ, this is a matter of attracting talent and this will continue to equalize in the next few years.

Anonymous said...

freehold won against PDA I thought PDA was the best?

Anonymous said...

Freehold beat PDA pride, these are the girls that make up the B team. These girls could not make the Gunners.

Anonymous said...

11:25 and 1:30 it looks like this Barcelona thing is the real deal, im told many of the girls are open to coming back and will be trained and coached by a former professional brazilian soccer player highly regarded. word is he is now coaching top ranked u17 boys team, definitely worth looking at tryouts this week and next

Anonymous said...

In theory wouldn't the PDA Pride Girls (the "B" as you call them) be the girls that they are supposed to be developing so that they could one day make the almighty Gunners? How can you say they couldn't make the Gunners? Because even the Gunner parents know that PDA doesn't "develop" players. They take the best players from other teams to field the strongest team possible. There is nothing wrong with that if you do not claim to develop players as PDA claims to do.

The Gunners had a roster of 20 plus kids this season. They used O'Riely girls for the Fall season and now pick up a player from Everton and already haver her on the Gunners roster. Did they develop her????? No, the daddy coach did.

How could a Gunner parent, or anyone else on PDA North, South or Shore, parent believe they give a crap about their kid when they can't even stick with the 20 plus man roster that the professionals" picked for a whole season. Once the next best thing comes along, tell your kid to start packing because they are not going to take time to "Develop anything"

Anonymous said...

Pride is called the B team because that is exactly what they are. Didn't they have big joint practices with the Gunners and was anyone pulled up to join the roster?No, when Gunners needed players, they pulled down from O'Reilly. South and Shore parents are not going to get development, just a huge hole in their wallet.

Anonymous said...

8:36 So let me see if I have this right. PDA opens PDA Shore and before they even complete tryouts in the North and at the Shore, they add a TRE player. Wouldn't you think that if PDA was seeking to build a great team in Toms RIver that this would be the perfect player to anchor a new team rather than bringer her to travel 1+ hours to compete with 22 other kids. It seems that PDA is trying to build an environment where 60+ kids are competing for the Gunners. Why wouldn't PDA want to build 3 independently great team in each of their geographies.

Anonymous said...

9:30 It's like the lottery, people are willing to pay anything to chase a dream.

Anonymous said...

Lots of jealous PDA bashing. Whatever their doing is working. FACT – PDA is the highest level club in NJ. Fact - the Gunnerz are the best u14g team in NJ. Fact – PDA Pride is as good as any team in the state except Gunnerz.

Anonymous said...

What happen PDA picked up a TRE player? I thought TRE was staying together

Anonymous said...

I'll give you the Gunners, any real evidence on the Pride? They don't play many NJ teams, they play B NPL teams.

Anonymous said...

There was a comment before about the gunners only being fair against out of nj teams. In the past 7 months tell how many out of state teams the gunners lost to > I think you will be hard pressed to find more than 1 and not even sure you will find that . This gunner team has made tremendous progress in the past 6 months , in nj by far the best team and nationally now >

Anonymous said...

Not sure about the PDA bashing, I'm just trying to understand why you open PDA Shore and than recruit a kid to the North rather than to the Shore. It seems to support the view that PDA has a main focus on the Gunners.

Anonymous said...

10:44 You know should be well aware that the next few months of competition will be a better judge of the Gunners than the last 7 months. In the Fall you mixed in O'Reilly players, and at least half of the clubs you play in the ECNL do not reach an Elite level. Looking at the teams you just played at your most recent tournment cannot be considered the top teams in the country and you had a very competitive weekend. The Richmond Strikers are not a topteam and the other teams seem to have lost a lot in the last year. When you go the the National ECNL tournaments, and play better competition we will see.

Anonymous said...

I wonder how the parents of the pride and athletica girls who went to gunners tryouts and we're not offered a roster spot feel? This is not PDA bashing, just a simple observation.

Anonymous said...

Why were no kids brought up?

Anonymous said...

I guess they had to save room for the TR girl.

Anonymous said...

Not jealous at all, you are spot on, the gunners are the best team in the state no doubt about it. They are an All Star Team of players from clubs all over the State. Pride is as good as all other top teams in the state, again you are correct.

My point is why would anyone pay PDA to "DEVELOPE" their child when they have no interest in doing that. PDA has show all of the kids on the Atheltica team as well as those on Pride and those going to Shore that they are not interested in them. Save your money and time and stay on your current team or leave a current PDA lower team and go to a good club or other academy team close to you. If you child is really that good or gets that good the Gunners will take them at any time from any club but not from within so my point is why waste your money on PDAs second, third, fourth or fifth team. The scouts will look at the Gunners but your kidding yourself if they are looking at those on the lower teams.

Anonymous said...

12:39 point well taken all the more reason to hit TRE or NJX Barcelona tryouts

Anonymous said...

But the DOC of the South said we will get to play with the gunners and get recruited by top D1 colleges if we play for pride or athelica and take his special akka classes!! This must be some mistake!

Anonymous said...

Based on this forum, it appears everything outside of the Gunners is a mess right now in New Jersey. I say come on over to PA! If ECNL is what you are chasing, then Pennsylvania has two good options in FC Bucks and Penn Fusion. If your looking to keep some of that money in your pocket, then look at the free model of the Pennsylvania Strikers. They just qualified for the US Youth Soccer National League next year. YMS is another great option.

EPYSA Fan

Anonymous said...

NJ Soccer is just fine, the drama is at a few clubs and a few people stirring issues.

Anonymous said...

Stirring issues? Please direct us to a false or misleading post regarding NJ soccer.

Anonymous said...

"This page is focused on Under 14 girls youth soccer in Region 1". But all we get is NJ parents attacking other NJ parents as well as coaches and teams. Then when someone questions why all the drama and if your unhappy then look elsewhere,we get the no worries everything is just fine response. Oy vey!

Anonymous said...

Might be too late for most PA tryouts though Strikers add players anytime a good one comes along.

Anonymous said...

Any club will add a player at anytime if they are a "good one". Especially with the expanding roster sizes. ECNL allows up to 26 players to be rostered and I believe US Youth Soccer has increased their roster size to 22.

Anonymous said...

@4:32
Maybe because it is not "all" you get from "all" the parents. Between 'some' of that you actually do get some parents talking about some of the soccer and the teams that are out there in a positive light.

Also, the minute you start mentioning team names is usually when the attacks begin. Are there even PA blog site out there? I really do not know.

All of this said. I have my doubts about this site lasting all that long. Just like the NJ Youth forum which eventually resolved into tryout posts and bashing...this site is definitely getting there.

DCShore

Anonymous said...

There isn't a team out there that wouldn't add a great player at anytime if the opportunity presented itself. PDA, Penn Fusion, Bucks, YMS, PA Strikers, TRE, The list goes on. None of these clubs would say "you're a incredible player but we just had tryouts, come see us next April."

Anonymous said...

@5:13
Maybe none of those teams you mention but there at least some I know of. I can also imagine there are more than just a few clubs/orgs/teams that focus on team chemistry/team building, character of the player and take their development responsibilities pretty seriously.

I'll grant you that the teams I personally reference are not in the same "next level" category as those teams you mention above. But they are not far off and in some cases actually teach (or allow) a much nicer game. <--- my opinion

Incredible players sometimes are incredible headaches with incredible egos. 2x as bad when the parents are the same. Some coaches will absorb such problems others will decline deciding that being able to sleep at night and enjoy themselves is more reward than being able to go to Got Soccer and print out ranking pages and post them on your work cubicle (I heard what I can only hope is a rumor about something to this regard)

End of story, some TEAMS are in fact TEAMS. Dying breed, agreed.

DCShore

Anonymous said...

Now is the perfect opportunity to come to TRE. There are spots waiting for girls. If your daughter wants to play COME Thursday night this week Shelter Cove Field 13 7pm-830pm or to the official club tryout Thursday May 22 Bey Lea Complex 530 -7pm.

THE TEAM IS MOVING FORWARD! Come grab a spot.

trfceverton@gmail.com

Anonymous said...

Nobodysbiz your killn me!

Anonymous said...

Thats Somebodysbiz to you. ;)

Anonymous said...

Wondering if PdAs big defeat by a town team will effect their tryouts?

Anonymous said...

What will ever come out of bashing pda? Obviously, you're not going to send your kid there anyway judging by most of the comments. What are you trying to do? Convince other parents not to send their daughters to tryout for pda? I just don't get it. Focus on where your child needs to improve. This is ridiculous.

Anonymous said...

Why bash anyone? I'm not sure that it is all bashing. It's people expressing their views on a situation. Today it's PDA, a while back it was TRE, it's Match Fit somedays. Why do I come on here and "bash" PDA because I believe what they are doing is bad for NJ soccer. Youth Soccer shouldn't be like Comcast and Time Warner trying to dominate the what you watch on TV. Match Fit seems to have created issues in Holmdel. NJ soccer is strong if we have competitve soccer within NJ. It is absurd that on a given weekend competitive teams need to travel out of NJ for good soccer competition. PDA has helped create a professional environment and professional competition down to the 11 and 12 year age groups. You don't at all think it is ridiculous that PDA is having tryouts for 8 and 9 year olds. Are we really selling academy soccer to 8 and 9 year olds? I personally hope that the NJX rebirth?, poor performance in the South, and poor attendance at the PDA shore continues to restore some sanity to NJ soccer.

Anonymous said...

Why is it called bashing when parents are simply stating their experiences with these academies? Many were sold a false bill of goods and they are not happy.

Anonymous said...

Why is it absurd that on a given weekend competitive teams need to travel out of NJ for good soccer competition?

Because you don't care for it or you think it's wrong?

At the end of the day the parents bringing their kids to these clubs are doing this because they want to NOT because it's the only show on TV.

They can pick a town team, or a soccer program a step up in their opinion or they can go ECNL with PDA/MF or any other club.

PDA is not making anyone do anything. They are giving an option to parents who think this is the right thing to do for their child regardless of what you think is good for NJ soccer, so why rain on what others want to do?

Anonymous said...

PS. I think that if you put the most athletic kids on a field at a young age you will develop much better soccer players than having them play with kids that would rather chase a butterfly on the filed at the age of 8 or 9. So why is it wrong if a parent thinks their 8 or 9 year old is athletic and wants them to play with other athletic 8 and 9 year olds? I don't follow, is it because this options costs alot of money and you think it shouldn't?

Anonymous said...

@ 11:54.. What you fail to realize is, PDA has not to this point taken any parent or kid hostage and demanded that you play for them, every parent who's kid plays for PDA does so because they feel it is the best situation for THEIR child. How would you feel if you made a decision for your child and another parent told you it was the wrong decision, answer that honestly please. If you choose to send you child to High School #1 because you feel that is best for your child, I would be wrong to tell you to send her to High School #2 because of what I think.. that is your child and your decision. . PDA didn't force TR to link up with them, a good business person sold his product and TR bought in.. if you look at PDA's track record for getting girls in college at any level, it speaks for itself. You sound ridiculous.. but are entitled to your opinion. My question is why come on here with it. No one is being forced to play with PDA, everyone has a choice in life.. the car you drive, did the salesman force you to buy it or did you first like it and then the saleman sold it to you.. that was your choice. Its very easy to hide behind anonymous and voice your opinion, if you were completely happy with your childs situation, would you be on here saying that. You chose for you child to be where she is, are you wrong for that? Only you can answer that.. grow up my friend.. Nobody is forcing these parents to send their kids to PDA, PDA has not been charged with hijacking anyone's bank accounts.. by happy with your situation and don't worry about others, you will feel better in the long run....


Yolo

Anonymous said...

10:24 No body forces anyone to do anything you are correct. It is about choice and choices are being diminished. I believe that, I believe that Holmdel and Match Fit is bad, I think the deal TR struck with PDA is bad, I am also entitled to that opinion. Comcast buying Time Warner may be good business and they are entitled to do so, I am not forced to like it though. Using that example, if I am one of their customers my choice on internet, internet content, TV and TV content is reduced. I am free to voice my displeasure becuase I think good soccer choice is being reduced in NJ. Would everyone choose to travelif there were better competitive options in NJ, I don't think everyone wood. Do I find it ridiculous what I heard on this blog, that a girl lives in the TR area and rather than joining PDA Shore. What is good for you or PDA is not necessarily good for the broader NJ soccer environment.

Anonymous said...

10:24 I don't think anyone is questioning your choice and I suspect many people at PDA are happy. Great for you! There are probably many things you see or hear on a daily basis that you do not like and voice your displeasure about. For you, I am pleased that all is well and I have no ill will towards you and your situation.

Anonymous said...

We as a people love being marketed too. That is PDA's true strength.

I have no problem though with the consumer making their choices.

I will continue to maintain though that while PDA does create an environment (emphasis on create) for players to play in high level environments throughout the country (which does have a cool aspect to it), and I do not believe (at least from observation) that they create destructive environments (the teams play good soccer and the kids don't seem abused), they are pretty darn far from being a DEVELOPMENT organization.

They market their program and many of the teams with success, they promote and create (emphasis on create) exposure for these players, but they DO NOT develop them. Not a crime, but NOT what some parents were told and NOT what is in their name.

Again though, they are damn good at the business and people (at least some) must be happy. That is their right and I don't view these parents as stupid or the players any differently than I would a Club player. In most cases they probably have no say and are being guided by their parents.

Also, yes obviously the Gunners are the strongest team but unlike many I will not use the perjorative "B" and "C" team descriptions when referring to the Pride and Athletica. They are just the other PDA teams. They place decent soccer and have some talent onboard. These are facts by any definition.

Enjoy the rain!

DCShore

Anonymous said...

DC Shore It is the DOC for PDA that has set out the B, C definitions for the other PDA teams. They have made it clear that there is one ECNL team in PDA, there will only be one ECNL team and it will be based in the North. They have made it clear that the other team's players can earn a right to play on the Gunners and so far very few have been good enough to get the right to train. I am a current PDA parent and I will probably remain one for a while because like it or not, it is the best environment for my child's soccer future and despite disliking many elements it is my best choice. However, in a state with the population and resources of NJ, I find it appalling that the ambition is to build one great team that every other team feeds in to, rather than striving for 3-4 teams that are equal to the Gunners. If the Pride or Atletica or PDA Shore develop into a better team, then let them represent PDA as the ECNL club, but that will not happen. I know as someone said that it is choice, but I can't see why it is good for PDA to have kids that live 5-15 minutes from the South Club traveling up north to train or a TR girl traveling north when a PDA is opening their own local club.

Anonymous said...

Does anyone know of a soccer blog that talks about youth soccer? I'm tired of checking into the PDA channel.

Anonymous said...

Actually this whole thing started earlier in the week as the Congratulations to Freehold and it degraded from their. Freehold, a team that withstood a lot of early pressure and showed that not dropping your heads and playing good hard team soccer for 90 minutes is ultimately what is required to be successful.

Anonymous said...

11:13 this is youth soccer - think of PDA as any big club lets call it ABC anywhere in the US.

"they are pretty darn far from being a DEVELOPMENT organization."

The point is that they don't have to be. They develop their players and then add top talent from other teams to play in an environment seen by some as the place to be.

Is it? for them it is and that's all that matters.

Why Does the LA Galaxy have it's 1st team in MLS and Galaxy II in USL Pro? Why not just put Galaxy II in MLS?

Why Does PDA have Gunners is ECNL and B & C in NPL? Shouldn't B & C also be in ECNL? No for the same reason Galaxy II isn't in MLS, it's a reserve team same as B & C.


Anonymous said...

You say they don't develop but they ridicule the idea of them starting a development program @ U8-9.. thats where you want it to start. A kid going to PDA @ U15 isn't going there to be developed, they are going there for exposure, thats a fact! The state of soccer in NJ isn't where you think it is because of PDA, its because of disillusion parents and parent coaches who don't want to cut the cord with their kids and continue to coach well beyond their limits of being able to teach. PDA is not for everyone but, it is for the families that want it. You mention A, B, C, D teams.. Gunners are what they are.. very good! Kid on Athletica, Pride and Shore will get opportunities to compete at the highest level tournaments just the same.. fact! College coaches look for talent, bottom line! I am experiencing it with another child of mine, you need to be at the events and play within top 4 or 5 brackets. If your team plays good soccer and is competitive, coaches will come see you play... also a fact. You can not knock the fact that PDA draws the attention of college coaches.. How can you say they bad for soccer in NJ, look at commitments for 2014, very impressive list.. agree or disagree? Who else is doing that? Tell me why that is bad for soccer in NJ? You may choose a college for what reason, to give your child the best education and prepare her for the field she want to specialize in.. if a school is known for producing rocket scientist and thats what she wants to be, I would think you would consider sending her there. If a soccer academy is known for getting kids in college and thats what she wants to do, I would think you wo uhh ld send them there... especially at U15 and up.. it makes sense if you really think about it..


Yolo

Anonymous said...

11:13 Wow, that says it al!! You feel that paying to play for a club is the same thing as a profit driven organization that pays its adult players to play in front of a paying audience. There may be different competitive levels, but it still is youth soccer.

Anonymous said...

Just to clarify for everyone. ECNL rules state that only ONE team per age group PER CLUB can play ECNL. PDA North, South and Shore are all in the same club so PDA can only elevate one team to ECNL status.

Anonymous said...

Unbelievable! Adults playing the role of childish kids, when does it stop... we often wonder why kids are the way they are. . Apple doesn't fall far from the tree. Don't throw stones if you live in a glass house.. just saying!

Yolo

Anonymous said...

Trust me, PDA will drain you financially. New week, new request for money. Golf outings, benefits,tournaments, it never ever ends.

Anonymous said...

It all makes sense now, someone asked why isn't team B and C in ECNL as well. I realize you can't have a civil debate on this blog if people have no clue how things work.. ECNL and NPL are club based and only allow 1 team in each age group.. educate yourself before you start bashing.. this blog would be much better!!

Yolo

Anonymous said...

Just to muddy the waters a bit, the NE NPL is allowing PDA to roster TWO teams - 2nd team North and PDA South team. I don't know if that is an exception or what. My understanding is that PDA Shore will play EDL.

Anonymous said...

To muddy it a bit more, I do not think that PDA Shore is officially the same organization as PDA. It is a strategic partnership that I believe TR can leave if it doesn't work out.

Anonymous said...

ah! Good info.

Anonymous said...

Here is the statement on PDA Shore, they make it clear that it is an "affiliation" and that it is their first affiliation.

http://www.tomsriverfc.com/Default.aspx?tabid=279663

Anonymous said...

Did anyone read 11:05s post? I think that summed it up very well and stated the issues clearly but no one wants to acknowledge an insider's perspective. Gunners will always be PDAs top priority, period! Go to tryouts forewarned, if you are OK with it, good for you and your daughter.

Anonymous said...

@11:05
The point is that those teams have names. When folks on this board reference them as "B" and "C" it is done as a ln outright dusrespectful fashion. I find it wrong.
It is more helpful to talk about the team and how it plays vs just calling them the "C" team. It might actually add credibility to yhe viewpoint.

DCShore

Anonymous said...

Flat out wrong - any other great comebacks you have. I think you understand the point.

Club ABC - Team A is ECNL, Teams B & C are reserve teams.

Come on man it's simple, why you busting horns. The parents understand what B & C represent. If they believe their kid is ready than club ABC is not for them maybe they will try XYZ.

Anonymous said...

I couldn't imagine living my adult life hating on youth soccer teams and their organizations. . The satisfaction you must get is unbelievable I would assume, I am curious as to the type of people that you are surrounded by... such a shame! I can share my post with my kids... can you? Hater!

Anonymous said...

@DCShore- I too am a pda parent and the DOC of the South told us Pride is considered the B team. It was not meant as derogatory, it is just how the organization views us.

Anonymous said...

Ok, maybe i am reading too much into it. I can move on.

DCShore

Anonymous said...

So that latest rumor in Virginia involves the continuing FCV/ABGC Premiere rumors. Rumor has it the FCV parents have been told they will field two teams with the current coach as head coach and ABGC's coach as the Associate Coach.

Team 1 will play ECNL. Team 2 will play NPL, State Cup, and Region 1 Premiere League.

ABGC parents have been told their coach is the new ECNL coach at FCV and the entire team is moving over and will play the following leagues next year: ECNL, Region 1 Premier League or National League, and State Cup at the same time.

FCV plan seems plausable. ABGC play seems like a plan for girls that might get interest from college coaches, but won't have the grades to get into school

Anonymous said...

Oh, and the comment that the top teams in VA - ABGC, Chantilly, LMVSC, HYS, and Kickers. Mclean and FCV ECNL teams are not close. There have been several games, scrimmages, or common opponents between the USYS and ECNL teams in NOVA and the results have been competitive. Mclean is probably competitive with the top 3 and FCV ECNL is competitive with the top 4 thru 8 in the state.

Anonymous said...

Speaking of Virginia NPL. Really weak.

ABGC - Premiere or their WAGS D2 going to D3 team

PWSI - Top team is mid way down CCL standings

NVSC - Doesn't field a team in the age group. Hello merger with VSA or borrow their WAGS D2 team

FCV - Either Premiere or Ashburn's D2 elite?

RUSH - Rumor they are getting kicked out of ECNL so their current ENCL team?

Arlington - bottom of CCL team

Strikers - maybe some of the ECNL players who don't make the merge

beyond that Chesterfield, Chesapeake, Courtland - not exciting

That league has more questions than answers.

Anonymous said...

Is a u15g better off being lower third of the A team or top third of the B team?

Is a u15g better off being a starter on the A team playing a position that she least likes or being a starter on the B team playing a position she loves?

TOP BOOT
(Tired Of People Bashing On Other Teams)

Anonymous said...

@7:28
A 15G (or any other age/gender) is always BEST OFF doing what they are most happy doing. This does not always translate to what makes them the better soccer player or on the 'best' team.

It's always good to do a fact check with your player. What is it they 'really' want to do both on the soccer field and outside of soccer.

Questions like this get answered really fast, especially at this age. You just have to ask them but be prepared that you may hear things that shock you like "I don't want to play soccer anymore".

Anonymous said...

Top Boot,

IMHO it is best for the player to be on the A team for multiple reasons. First you always want to be playing with the best players possible so that the player is continually being challenged and developed. The player will sink or swim at that level but at least they are getting the opportunity. I have seen very few players move up to A team from B, so accept the challenge, clubs focus most of their energy on the A team. The coaching and training should be better.

As far as positions - it is important that players become proficient in as many positions as possible. She might go to a college where they already have the best players at (her) favorite position, or recruit one once she is there. If she wants to see the field she better be able to play another spot. In best case scenario she would start (at position she might not like) but still gets a few minutes at the position she loves. I have yet to see a B team that comes close to the talent of an A team. Moving a player down to B team so that they can play a position they like seems like a bad move for the development of the player.

SID

Anonymous said...

@12:38 - Interesting, but if the team is playing NPL, that is Club Soccer, so they can't play in State Cup, NL, or R1PL unless they dual roster. I haven't seen a team duplicate their entire squad under both organizations, but I suppose it's possible.

But for state cup, you need to play in a USYS league to be eligible, and if they are NPL, I'm not sure that meets the requirements. I could be wrong, though, it's been a while since I read the rules.

NOVA

Anonymous said...

Mclean does with this with their ECNL players, bringing them to State Cup. I guess it depends on the details of the relationship with Ashburn. If FCV and Ashburn are now one club, they could cross roster. My understanding was the email hinted at a Mclean like cross roster for certain players between the USYS and US Club teams.

Anonymous said...

@11:13 - Yes, McLean does that and at least at the U14 age group, it has been a disaster. Ashburn only has a single team at U14, so they don't have room to 'stash' players like McLean did. McLean rostered ECNL girls on their D4 & pre-Div teams, filling them out to 22 players. This made them available for a state cup roster. Ashburn would need to cut players from their current D3 team to make room for some, unless they only want to roster 4 or 5. They could roster a complete new team, but what USYS league would it play in?

This dual rostering practice has been talked about in other circles and not many people are happy with it (except for the ECNL players). It's not a true test of the team that plays all the league games. I personally have not been a part of it, but I know others who are and it creates a very adversarial environment between the kids.

NOVA

Anonymous said...

Gunners vs World Class this weekend.....thoughts?

Anonymous said...

2 excellent teams. I think PDA has the better defense. But World class has the better offense. my prediction is World class 1-0.

Anonymous said...

Tie 1-1

Anonymous said...

PDA beat them 4-1 last time they played, what happened there? Maybe PDA matches up well with them.

Anonymous said...

NCS-State cup finals tomorrow. YMS VS LDC. Should be a very good game. Predictions??

Anonymous said...

If I was PDA, I would have the O'Reilly girls play down for this one(as they did the last time these teams played). World Class is not that good in the U15 age group so O'Reilly should be able to manage without them. If this happens, then look for another PDA victory 3-1. Without the O'Reilly players, then World Class wins 1-0.

Anonymous said...

yms 2-0

Anonymous said...

PDA must be reading this blog, they invited B and C teams players to practice this week. Way to quiet the grumbling.....now let's see who actually gets rostered.

Anonymous said...

It might be because some players left to go to another team and they finally are using their "developed players" instead of recruiting from the outside. Good for those girls! And kudos to PDA for doing it right.

Anonymous said...

Or it might be fallout from the barrage of complaints the DOC is getting from parents.

Anonymous said...

Ldc beat them twice in the fall Pags league. (2-1,2-0) Yms is playing pretty hot right now. I say PKs

Anonymous said...

Let's be fair to PDA on this one. It's tryouts and callback time at PDA and the girls are likely going for that. This way they can offer a player the spot on the Gunners and then never allow them to play in a game. Perhaps this year it will be different, but the first experiment didn't work. Wouldn't it make sense to just do a pooled PDA tryout and allocate players based on skill, fit, and preferred geography rather than having kids tryout for 2 PDA teams.

Anonymous said...

VA State Cup action:

Annandale dominated LMVS 5-1 and Herndon defeated CSC 2-1. Sets up a showdown of two teams who originally came from small clubs and were parent-coached back in the younger days (pre-U13).

NOVA

Anonymous said...

I'm sorry, what is Callback time?

You said Tryouts AND Callback time.

Anonymous said...

I believe they had their open tryouts and they are now calling back kids after the open tryouts. It is not unusual for teams to do this.

Anonymous said...

Call backs are to get a look at a player against current players. In a watered down pool of tryouts someone mY standout simply because of who thy are up against or with. By inviting them to practice you get a truer picture of where they are at. We had 2 girls join 1 practice and be sent to 2 be team. Not sure what the coaching staff saw but evidently 1 practice with the actual team was enough.

Anonymous said...

Nova get your facts straight ABGC always had a paid coach back in the days in Ashburn,Small club yes a paid coach even at U9 get your facts straight .

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Anonymous said...

Thank you, so after open tryouts if 1 player stands out they are invited to train with the team as a callback to see if they are a fit before they replace a current player? That's cool.

Anonymous said...

1-0 Yms wins pa state cup. Good job ladies

Anonymous said...

Since this is mostly a PDA site I'm curious why there are no comments regarding the 4-2 loss to WC. Not bashing PDA I think they are a great team but would like to hear from someone that was there about the game.

Anonymous said...

Tie game with 15 left. We gave up goal and then pushed to try and tie it. Lost 4-2.

Season series was aptly and both teams will be in the playoffs

Anonymous said...

@4:23
That's the way you have to play such a game. When you are down you press...sometimes you get the bear, sometimes the bear gets you.

Sometimes it explains why you may seen an unexpected lopsided score.

DCShore

Anonymous said...

and sometimes there are other factors, like penalty kicks, bad ref calls, etc. Scores can always go either way, and personally I've witnessed quite a few upsets. Of course, I doubt the outcome of the wc pda game was really that surprising, but still...

Anonymous said...

How did Freehold do this weekend on the heels of their state cup victory? Always pulling for the town teams and I think Freehold is one to watch...

Anonymous said...

HEY NOVA YOUR FACTS ARE WRONG DV WAS NOT THE COACH HE CAME FROM LYSC AFTER THE FALL SEASON

Anonymous said...

TR 3-2. It was 3-0 until the last 10 mins when TR was forced to play with 10 girls because one had an asthma attack and another girl became ill. It was a furious ending but TR hung on. only had 12 to start injuries/sickness.

Anonymous said...

TR played who? Freehold? IF so, nice win. TR having a lot of injuries this year. We played them 5 weeks ago and they had 2 subs. THe little engine that could. I wish them well.

Anonymous said...

Any truth to the rumor that 3 Gunners girls are going to World Class?

Anonymous said...

Nice weather predicted for FC Delco this weekend. Any thoughts?

Anonymous said...

8:20PM and 10:10 PM clearly you are a TR parent. "always pulling for the town team" "the little engine that could" come on.

Anonymous said...

@1021 very real possibility. Parents are fed up with the dilution of the gunner player pool.

Anonymous said...

YMS coming off a big win, should look good this weekend. Having an awesome season!

Anonymous said...

@ 9:22 I think Annadale will give YMS a run for their money. I saw them play in Jeff cup, and they were impressive!

Anonymous said...

It looks like gunners will be losing 6 players to other teams, 2 quit and 2 offered spots on the Atletica team...development? what a joke

But the kids that the coach trains, have guaranteed spots and minutes, whether they deserve to be on the gunners or not...another joke

Anonymous said...

YMS loses two games this weekend against ABGC and Bethesda. ABGC wins the group. PA Strikers and North Rockland win the other two groups with FC Bucks grabbing the wild card. Strikers over Bucks. ABGC over North Rockland. ABGC avenges their Premier League loss to the Strikers and takes home the Championship.

Almost certain none of this will actually happen now that it is in writing.

Anonymous said...

What they are doing at PDA is a joke. Still dangling the carrot in the south and bringing up south players to our practices that are clearly out of their league. Not sure of the logic, parents are not kept in the loop.

Anonymous said...

What do you mean by "dilution of the Gunner(sic) player pool"

Anonymous said...

I mean dilution of the talent pool. Bringing in various pride and atletica players to practice with us. None of these players has been rostered (nor will be) and it is a revolving door of players. Brings down the quality of our practices just to quiet some disgruntled parents.

Anonymous said...

One was rostered this year but never played. I do not see an issue with sending 2-3 kids to training, how does that dilute?

Anonymous said...

Are there starters leaving to go to world class? Or are they bottom of the roster who are threatened by the "dilution"

Anonymous said...

Glad your daughters were not diluted at an early age but got to play with players better than them so they could become better.

Or were they born out of the womb with a golden boot?

Anonymous said...

Gunners going to World Class are not starters. (Big surprise) World Class, it seems, is having their own personal brand of turmoil. As is every team at this time of year.

Anonymous said...

PSA U15 newly formed competitive girls team is looking for a few more players to round out the squad for the 2014/15 seasons.

This team will play in the NPL and participate in high level tournaments. Experienced, highly licensed coach.

If you are interested in a great opportunity, tryouts are Wednesday, May 21 @ 5:30 to 7:00PM, 2014 at Stuart Country Day School at 1200 Stuart Rd, Princeton, NJ



Any questions: http://www.princetonsoccer.org/home/412325.html


Anonymous said...

Quickstrike may be the surprise at Delco.
Played PA Strikers tough and took Jeff Cup second bracket. When they play well they are a good team.

Anonymous said...

"Highly licensed coach"???? That's unique. I'm sure the coach would love that description. He is highly licensed. Lmao.

Anonymous said...

Are there any nice people on this blog who don't take every opportunity to knock a team/program/child/coach/parent? Who just appreciate soccer and know there's quality in every team that is mentioned on this blog? THese kids work hard, the coaches work hard, the parents sacrifice a lot of time/money. NO team can even be mentioned without a soccer troll bashing them. I remember when this blog was informative and interesting. Now, it's a slug fest between anonymous trolls. Over it.

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Anonymous said...

Actually There is nobody emulating over seas academies. It can't happen here. Over seas academies do not have huge pools. But the bigger difference is the players and parents. I am friends with a young man who joined Real Madrids academy at age 14. Today he is in his early 20s playing professionally here. He coaches some youth soccer as we'll. to here him tell it there is zero parental involvement. You can't talk to the coach and complain or persuade. Kids come from all walks of life and there is more dirt poor kids then wealthy. The kids who are there want it. They live eat and breath soccer with nobody pushing them. It's considered the opportunity of a life time and they want it. If they aren't getting what they want they can't have mom or dad call the next club and try there. You either got it or you don't. If someone is telling you PDA emulates that it's a sales pitch. We have a country full of entitled my parents have money I deserve this brats. As a father of a couple kids I see it in my own and do my best to squash it. I have a lazy child who has talent. The coach told me he is on the fence with her because of her work ethics. Despite being 1 or 2 in scoring the last few seasons. I encouraged the coach to cut her and put her on the b squad. Make her earn it. If she turns it around pull her back up. At the end of the day it's about raising a player/child to succeed in life not just on the pitch.

Anonymous said...

@6:42
Well said. It's about decisions (the players make) not the decisions parents make to 'puppet-string' their child to success.

PDA is NOTHING like an oversees academy. A great read is Soccernomics. Amongst other things, it specifically references the difference with European Clubs and US. A Lionel Messi may never have ever been given a shot in the US because he would always be viewed as 'too small'. In Europe they will often let a player (fast, slow, skilled, lesser skilled) bake until their early 20's. In the US if you are not 'the bomb' at 14 you are cast away. Jurgen Klinssman has expressed similar sentiments.

AS YOU SAID (more or less) too many self-absorbed parents in the US. Too many kids playing at the 'top level' that do not even understand 'The Game'. That is the real difference between US and Europe.

DCShore

Anonymous said...

Let's not forget training versus games. In Europe, the game is secondary to the training and the number of games are far fewer. Our focus is on watching games and seeing our kids win. The other thing that you do not see in European academies in is the money element. It's much harder to demand anything from a club that you are not paying for.

Anonymous said...

The rare kids who do understand the game must be surrounded by others who also understand the game led by a coach that understands the game to be able to achieve success. Very rare situation here in the US. Most commonly there might be one or 2 kids who get it, but the parents, kids, even the coach doesn't understand the kids' abilities (vision- technique etc). The parents take their kid elsewhere, usually for little playig time reasons, and hopefully find the rare situation that fits his/her abilities.

Here is a team with kids and a coach that get it. Chivas USA U13 pre academy (2000) team:

http://blog.3four3.com/2014/04/01/u13-possession-soccer-in-america-video/

Anonymous said...

@8:35AM
I can only agree.

DCShore

Anonymous said...

on player selection, I liked this post and thought I would share it:

definitely appreciate the importance of player ID much more than before I started reading this blog. If you don’t pick the players that can perform the roles you need your style will not be successful. Similarly when projecting players for the future and whether they can learn/adapt to playing the way you want.

From my experience at state and region ODP levels, there are two main flaws – lack of game model/philosophy and poor ability to evaluate talent. When there is no direction at all throughout the age groups in terms of how the teams should play it’s hard to pick the right players. You can’t find what you aren’t looking for. When there’s not even a general idea of how to play, it’s left to the coaches and evaluators to pick players based on how they see the game. From what I’ve seen, it’s usually the typical explosive athlete that gets picked. The reason is that kind of player ‘stands out’, which is a nice way of saying the person evaluating can’t actually understand the subtleties of the game well enough to see anything other than someone who runs hard and fast.

And that brings me to the second issue. Many can’t tell the difference between a quality player and a dumb athlete. I had someone helping evaluate at ODP tryouts this year and we had to ignore all of his notes because he was so far off in his judgment. Similarly, I was helping to evaluate at the regional level a few years ago and had to almost beg the coaches to take this one player. They eventually took a good look at him near the end of camp and about a year later he was getting called into youth national team camps and made an MLS academy. But he would have been overlooked had I not kept telling the coaches how good he was. That shouldn’t be the case.

"Until player develop programs like ODP establish some criteria for player selection on a macro level rather than allowing the coaches free reign will the situation begin to improve. Too much is left to chance by giving all coaches that much freedom in player ID. There are some solid coaches within these programs, but I feel their work is offset by the ineptitude of others. There also needs to be a lot better coach development going on to help improve the coaches, but that’s a whole different topic."

From 3four3.com

Under "matters of circumstance"

Anonymous said...

@8:44
Yes, I think that encapsulates quite a bit. I think many of us are touching on TRUE areas for improvement. Thanks for sharing

@8:39
Uh, YEAH that is 'THE GAME'
Well coached players with the confidence to make decisions, be patient in their attack, with great composure and comfort with the ball. 10 minutes in I have yet to see one of the RED players simply 'out-run' a player in blue/purple. 10 MINUTES in and fun to watch. Even if that team were to lose 1-0 (which my guess is that they don't, OMG how much happier of a parent I would be to have my player learn the game). Thank you for sharing!

DCShore

PS, the comments front he parents "Why are you standing?", "Why are you not showing?"
All comments from parents who fail to appreciate and understand what their team is playing against.

Anonymous said...

oh, and the "send it!" command is garbage too
you can't rely on that when playing a team that knows 'the game'

DCShore

Anonymous said...

sorry I have to keep commenting....all the coaching from the parents...obviously no matter how successful that blue/purple team is it is clear that their parents don't get it...

that video is everything your player/team should emulate and the parents should abandon

I'm off my soap box see you in a few days

DCShore

Anonymous said...

Thanks for posting the 3four3 website. I liked this post.

Applicable to every single level of the soccer pyramid, everywhere!
And particularly in the US, this is precisely the state of the game.

Think about it …

It’s not the ‘best players‘. It’s the best players for jungle ball (ie tactics free) soccer.
What players ‘make it’ in MLS?
Those who are among the best at 50/50 jungle ball soccer!

When it’s crunch time – when it really matters – what players are selected across the US Soccer pyramid?
Those who are among the best at 50/50 jungle ball soccer!

What coaches are considered good, or even great, across the US Soccer pyramid?
Well … those who win of course. And who generally wins most? Yep … You’ve guessed it! … those who’ve consistently gotten the best players for 50/50 random, roulette spinning, dice-rolling, jungle ball soccer!

This is not global gold standard football. Global gold standard football is a science, it’s tactical, it’s choreographed.

Anonymous said...

It is funny that as the discussion becomes more about soccer and how it is coached and played, or different formations, the blog goes pretty silent. Things light up the second you mention certain teams.

Anonymous said...

Strikers are definitely not looking for small technical players. The 3 they had are now elsewhere.

Anonymous said...

What smallish kid hasn't been told by their coach, look at Lionel Messi, "That could be you", only to have a coach never follow through and foster that child's development.

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