Where is Ranney even at? Why are we talking about Ranney?
did you know that a kid from adfc already committed D1 and big 10
I heard that verbal commitments don't always happen.
I heard that verbal commitments aren't binding and don't mean too much.
He is good and will play D1, but what is your point?
If it's the kid I am thinking of its no surprise. He's good and it's becoming that time. Congrats to him.
Players switching HS now so they can put up numbers. NICE
Isn't it too late to switch high schools now? The season started.
Not too late, just sit out
Why bother switching High Schools? Everybody know HS soccer means nothing to college coaches.
It must mean something because every college player's profile says what they did in high school.
They may put it on profile but trust me, college coaches know how uncompetitive HS soccer is when compared to high level club/academy play is. Not worth changing schools over.
Switching schools for a 2 month season doesn't make much sense but some people have money to burn. Another example of pay to play.
HS soccer is a complete waste of time...don't understand why it's such poor quality soccer...even at the "highest" levels in NJ. As an example, I watched high school football on ESPN recently and it's "watchable" -- i.e. decent and of course they televise the best teams in the country, but this still applies to our local HS football team. And of course, college football is outstanding. Then watched a Big 10 men's soccer matchup...not watchable...complete crap. Just don't get it. And yes, my son starts for the HS team.
College soccer is just a better version of HS. Colleges are not preparing kids for MLS. College football does prepare its players for the NFL.
It is poor quality because each school is trying to field a team. Think of the number of HS teams there are and now you need to divide the players up into all of them. The real issue isnt the quality of play but more the quality of play that is allowed by the ref's. It can become rugby and in 4 years of watching HS soccer I have not seen one red card, not ONE. Pushing, cursing, fouls from behind, delay of game, hits in the head, you name it and you will see it at every HS game you watch. Yet, by the end of the game MAYBE 2 yellows have been handed out. Yes, the coaches need to control it, but these guys are science teachers that pretend to know soccer. Go to a small HS and if you have any talent at all you will put up big goal numbers, doesnt mean you are good just means you are playing in a glorified rec league. Go to the larger HS schedules and the play gets a bit better but much more physical.
Are clubs going to offer year-round teams? Everyone knows that HS soccer does nothing for development.
Another parent that thinks they know from the sidelines. Red cards (game ejections) likely lead to further game suspensions that may also extend to school suspensions and a disciplinary record on student transcripts.School officials may also be called to testify which no school official wants to deal with.So, refs need to really be sure when they pull out the red card.
So, if high school soccer sucks so much and everyone knows that, tell me why so many kids play it? I see kids from every club team around playing soccer in high school. Having a great time.....usually showing more emotion and drive then I EVER see at the club tournaments. Is it perhaps because the kids love the experience? That they are playing for fun? That it isn't a "job" like club? You all need to get over yourself on this board. Play club or die. And there are clubs that play year round - they are called academies. If you want to play year round - make one.
Totally agree. And these same clubs forced the boys to stop playing all other sports at u8 preventing many from enjoying other sports as well.
pay to play is always the complaint of the dumb and dumb and lazy.
Yeah right. Nobody pays to play it's free for the smart ones and travel expenses don't count. But you can always raise the funds from all the dumb, lazy, rich people
1:30AMWhy don't you pay? Who's paying for you?
guys, very simple. what in life is free? please. if you want to buy a house, go to school, train for a job, even interview for a job, you have to pay for what you want, or at least figure it out. what soccer choices should all be just given to anyone who wants it? otherwise, pack up your stuff and walk to germany.
I am so lucky that my son plays soccer and not American football. The sad news of hearing that your son is dead from playing a game is so overwhelming to me. To bury your child because of a hit in a football game is barbaric....My condolences to the Murray family. Something needs to be done. No more kids dying on the fields, please.
do your homework on sports injuries. concussions in soccer a big problem. one or two incidents in football a year doesn't make it barbaric. more people die in the bathtub every year. taking a shower is barbaric? of course sad story but...
Let the scoring begin!!! The best scoring option in the shore will now be allowed to show it.
USA Today: 9 high school boys lost their lives last year playing football from head and spinal cord injuries. All other combined sports including soccer, 0. I could not find how many people died from shower and or bathtub deaths . Maybe you could enlighten all of us with your educated knowledge on those stats.By the way, the young man I was referring to, on my last comment, died from a ruptured spleen, most likely from "Mano".
no one is going to minimize deaths in football, but there is risk in everything. girls soccer is a disaster for concusions. quick google of drowings in bathtubs in 2000 - 341.
What about how many kids have had soccer ending non-life threatening injuries because of cheap play? I blame the coaches and Refs when I see games where a number of kids are getting hurt or the game is out of control. Say what you want but that lack of discipline on the Coaches and Refs is one facet that drags US soccer development.
Blame coaches and parents first. Refs are responding to usually after the fact cheap play.
Isn't there an code of ethics for coaches? Sometimes I really wonder what is is they're trying to teach kids. Is it win at all costs? Bullying is a big problem and it seems that some coaches think bullying is a good thing.
a parent drives his kid to a game and during the drive talks about the game. After the game on the drive home the parent does more talking sometimes complimentary sometimes contradicting the message the coach is giving the players. Most coaches teach their players to compete at all cost. Compete for every loose ball. Compete for 50/50 balls. Compete on headers. Competition is what drives anyone to be the best they can be in soccer or outside of it. Win at all cost is bull.
Good clean competition I agree with. Winning at all costs, no way. I've heard coaches say to their players, " Do whatever you have to do so they do mot score." Coaches shouldn't be teaching kids that. That's just encouraging dirty play.
If a kid competiting for a 50/50 throws his body in front of a shot to "do whatever he has to not to let the other team score" and clumsily runs through a guy is that dirty? Or a part of the game? What are we talking about here??? Have you seen a kid get seriously injured recently on a play that was undoubtably a dirty tackle with no doubt intent to injure another?? And if you have did you hear the coach yelling before or after "go for his knee! Great work!! You crushed him!"0 instances of anything like that. SSC coach is bad but not even him.no one
The coach knows that he'll get a red card if the ref hears him say that and yes, I've seen plenty of intentional dirty moves that the coach has taught his players.
Give us an example if you have plenty of examples by all means continue I would like to hear just one
Sure, play dumb. Tripping a player in front of goal, holding him back by his shirt, Obstructing his line of vision, using his hands to stop a goal, late tackles, dives.
Tactical fouls or decisions... Not dirty play. Try again with an actual example
Keep telling yourself that those are all legal plays. Why do refs hand out cards then? You're just a coach trying to defend your club's dirty policy. Teaching little kids how to cheat and maybe get away with it. We need more coaches like you. Not!
...Nice burn. Not!This is U17 boys blog Who is a little kid at this age? Outfield player using hands to stop a goal...red card but a player still must make the penalty. It's tactical the player is giving his team a chance. Ask Ghana's Asamoah Gyan how he felt about that in 2010 World Cup vs UruguayYou know me almost as well as you know how to play the game within the game. maybe you should start coaching I bet you'd be really good at it.
Plenty of examples where coaches tell their team not to allow certain key players from other team from bringing the ball into the box for a shot. Players know exactly what this means if they want to stay on the field. It means whatever you have to do to stop the player, do it. This often leads to very physical tackles from more unskilled defensive players that rely on aggressive play. Coaches often say they would rather give a free kick from 25 yards than a play in the box from a good skilled player. If you don't think this is happening, you are not paying attn.
Yes nothing comes easy. If you are beat concede the foul and tread carefully the rest of the game with that yellow card. It's called a tactical foul. Give up a foul outside of the box instead of inside all day long. That is how the game is played. It is not dirty or cheating it is a part of the game. Messi, Neymar, Ronaldo these players along with many many others are very talented. they get kicked because it is part of the game trying to slow them down. They understand this so they have evolved they're game they understand when to dribble and when to pass. Often when they take off on a surging run forward chances are they will get kicked and they know that but they do it anyway. Set pieces account for over 60% of goals in any given league. Not always directly from first ball but the second ball or the third wave. Cross gets sent in, it is headed out but your still under pressure keep getting that ball in front of goal you will create chaos in front of the goal. Long throw ins create chaos. It's not always the beautiful game. That is how the game is played by certain teams though. It's common sense.What are you complaining about?? It is literally part of the game. We all know it happens and we all challenge our skillful attackers to get more creative. It's not easy breaking down a teams who ar coached well and keep a good compact team shape. If it were a walk in the park it would be a walk in the park not a soccer game.
Plenty of examples but not one specific where unskilled defenders were overly aggressive and seriously injured another player. So you cannot possible believe that it is dirty cheating poorly coached play. Sounds a lot more like smart play to me. Learn the game. Get better at the game by creating space for yourself with body feints, turns, off ball movement, combination passes and you will get kicked less.
2:15 AM......Your ignorance annoys me.Take a shot from outside the box put that shot on target and force the goalie into a tough save. Next time fake the shot make the defender dive in and walk around him and pass into the corner from inside the box. It's as much of a mental game as it is physical one.
Maybe the coaches who consider themselves tactical geniuses should realize that they are coaching impressionable kids and not professional players. These kids admire you until they realize that your only goal is to win the game that will mean nothing after one season.
The players at the highest levels have split seconds to react and make choices in a game. Split seconds to do what they think will give their team the best possible chance to win.. Oh and by the way 16 year olds aren't exactly children they can make their own decisions for better or worse. At the end of the day It's not about winning or losing its about creating memories that will last forever. Hopefully your son gets to know what it feels like to be apart of a winning team. It's a good feeling when all the hard work you've put in pays off. A memory that won't be forgotten.
Let's be honest here. u17b soccer in this area is a butcher job at best. high school and club is all about hacking away and trying to bulldoze through on both sides of the ball. this is why players with full beards and from abroad with fake birth certificates get further ahead in soccer here.most coaches are 80s throwbacks.
High school ball I agree with that. Club ball however is much more technical.
Oct 3 @4:10Everyone knows that you aren't waiting until kids are 16 to teach these dirty tactics. All your club's teams are taught about "professional" fouls. That's not what youth sports are about. You coaches try to feed your egos by winning youth games at all costs.
Assumptions. Accusations. Complaints. All baseless. 0 facts other than...it's a fact that you can't speak for everyone....." Everyone knows that...." Must be tiring complaining all the time.
Good muppet response.
No one is out trying to hurt anyone, stop the madness.
And so it has begun. The Arrival!Panther Fever, catch it!
Not trying to hurt anyone... play SSCTheir coach can't even control herself.
Her? You really think that a coach is instructing their players to hurt other players?
when a coach says to do ANYTHING to prevent that team from scoring, what do you think it means?
It can mean foul him. It does not mean to hurt him. Have you heard this said? Was he red carded? Did you hear it from the parents sideline of the coaches sideline? Did you lose that game?
It could mean stop him anyway you can and if he gets injured it's unfortunate but we have to win this game.
So now you KNOW what someone means even when they dont say it?
There is a reason red cards are given for: any actions that use excessive force and endangers the safety of another player. It is referee who decides whether a player has committed serious foul play. Challenges from the front or side which the referee sees as dangerous will be punished with a red card.There are absolutely youth coaches that encourage fouls as part of the game and accept the above. Yes, absolutely.
Encouraging a shirt tug is not not the same as teaching straight leg tackles.Fouls are committed and sometimes, yes encouraged.Hurting someone is never encouraged. Quit slinging mud eventually you run out of ground to stand on but hey thank god this blog is anonymous right?? Idiots
so then what is encouraging reckless and/or dangerous fouls exactly?significantly raising the odds of injury puts you in this territory.and there is no doubt you are not a coach or a ref because otherwise you would not be so sure of your ignorance.
I think he is a coach who is trying to prove that it is acceptable to deliberately foul players because it's all part of the game.
So basically we want to encourage teenage boys to slide tackle like Chase Utley in meaningless games playing NJ club soccer so that we raise the risk of broken legs? Ok.Chase Utley is a pro and was making a legitimate play in a major league playoff game but couldn't even get it right, but we expect teenage boys to get it right on meaningless plays in meaningless games with a lot less skill and athleticism?
I will ask the million dollar question. Who is asking players to intentionally injure other players? I stand by the fact that there is not one person that is but you seem to feel I am wrong. I will await your answer.
Do you tell your players that it's alright to intentionally foul other players to stop them from scoring but make sure you don't injure them? I think that would be impossible.
No it is possible it happens every game retard otherwise there wouldn't be any forward players left
maybe a better question is why are we even having this discussion? to use fouling as a strategy is a misguided way to look at the game. whether intentional injure or not, makes for a mess of a game and boys get no where playing this way except some bad club soccer and/or bad high school results. ok, if thats the goal, enjoy. i would say then why not man up and play some real contact sport like football or lacrosse?
12:18You're an ignorant tool. To tell kids to go out and foul so you can brag to your friends that you're a great coach because you won a youth game is pathetic!
im not a coach so I couldn't possibly brag about winning games.If a Coach used this blog to brag or trash talk. I wouldnt want my son to play for him. No way. I have no problem with some physical play. Tackles teach lessons to the tackler and the one being tackled. The best soccer players understand when to dribble and when and how to pass.Fouling Lik slide tackling should be taught as a last resort. And taught in a manner in which players don't get seriously hurt by the foul. Most coaches know this. Players as well know and understand this. Apparently some of you don't get it but most of you on this blog probably never even kicked a soccer ball in a competitive game before so it makes sense you don't understand this
Still no one is able to identify someone that has taught these tactics. Stop the idiocy.
This is fun. Can't wait until Nov so we can all start bashing all the good teams again. Really missed everyone since summer.
Quite a funny statement, sad but true. I happen to believe that the top teams hold a healthy respect for one another and it is the mid level teams ranked 15 or below that seem to have the issue. This is also a strange year because at U17 you have Jr's and Sr's in high school that have been playing together for years but now the Sr's may not play because they have committed already.
Den of Lions U17 are holding tryouts this sunday (tomorrow) at 6pm.Team will compete in EDP, state cups and top tournaments. High level players only.Riverfront Park 553 Raymond Blvd Newark New Jersey 07105
Please define high level.
Den of Lions U17 are holding tryouts this Sunday at 3 pm.Team will compete in EDP, state cups and top tournaments.Looking to add a 4 players to strengthen the squad. Riverfront Park 553 Raymond Blvd Newark New Jersey 07105
Team predictions to fall in ranking and rise in ranking in the Spring. Go....
from an old school sports guy to the poster who bashed football as too dangerous and to the other who downplays coaches teaching physical play...read the story today about hs sophomore who died as the result of a collision during a game. all terrible news. but i think balances the prior conversations that there is risk in everything and that coaches should minimize.
Coaches DONT make that happen. Players DO
DOL U17 Eagles Tryouts for this Sunday at 9am Riverbank Park.27 Somme St. Newark 07105.Team competes in EDP and top tournaments.
It's wrong to blame players when coaches are saying purposely fouling other players is ok. Explain how coaches are not at fault.
anyone that watches sports at any level knows that coaches set the tone for how teams play. as a ref, i can always tell what kind of game we are going to have by the coach. jerk coaches have teams that play dirty, not rocket science.if you deny this, sorry but that is clueless.
And You as a referee are judging a book by its cover. Not a ref I want.
An experienced ref is not judging a book by it's cover. He can see what's going on. A referee does not want to see players get injured.It's fact that some teams play dirty because they want to win at all costs. The coach of that team is not one I want for my son.
refs just don't blindly make calls in a vacuum. there is a feel and judgement that has to be used. u8 through u17, girls and boys, elite and rec etc. rivalry game, team rep etc. an experienced ref can size this all up before he even blows the whistle to start play. 75% of ref prep at ANY level is all about sizing up the situation. doesn't mean you change your calls, just means you are ready.idiot coaches show themselves very quickly and the dirty play has either already started or is not far behind. idiot parents should be included in there as well. dirty play often comes as a package and very predictable...to think otherwise, is ignorant...
SDFC and Matchfit stay favorites to be atop the rankingsMarlton is a very decent side gut overachieved last yearMorris and SJB are good strong teams but. Meh. Marlboro continues to drop in rankings.Look out for Stronghold to challenge the "top teams" again.Holmdel has maintained a good level, they're my dark horse team to watch out for. On the bubble: TSF and NJ Force had solid seasons but just don't have the fire power to consistently be competitive. Capable of catching teams off guard and could earn a few Surprise results..top team at the end of the season will be Den of Lions. ;)
How would Den of Lions be the top team when they wont even be scheduled to play any of the top teams?Stronghold to challenge the top teams? Are you serious? Stronghold is the top team. They added some key pieces and will only be better.With all your BS however there is something that is factual. These teams have all worked for years to put themselves in the situation where they will be playing against only the top level teams and by doing so will have college coaches at their games and not the mid level games. The results "almost" dont matter any more, but how the matches are played will. Congratulations to all of these teams that have put in the time and effort and have successfully given themselves the opportunity for exposure. Good luck to all.
DoL Eagles Final Fall TryoutsTeam competes in EDP, Cups and top tournaments. Thursday 7:30pm at Ironbound Stadium address:: Rome and St Charles St Newark 07105 Sunday 9:00am Riverbank Park address:: 27 Somme Street Newark 07105
Stronghold is actually not the top team. They are barely the 5th team. Sorry pal. At one point they were the top team but as of lately they are not even within striking distance of the top teams.
Not sure what you see or don't see with Stronghold but you are wrong. But with stupid comments like yours I would imagine that you are used to being wrong.
Take a look at gotsoccer rankings
Oh, the gotsoccer argument. You really are an idiot if that is where you get your information. So the NextGen team that is 16th in the state is good too? They played 4 games TOTAL. You should make your decisions based on facts and based on this years team. SSC was a great team last year and will be better this year with a few changes. Let me guess, you are a MF parent. Sorry not everyone chooses to play for your team.
I didn't say stronghold was bad I said they will again compete for a top spot...which is where you like a bull in a china shop come in a start on about how stronghold is undoubtably the best team in the state. Look at the top 5 all of who played many many ranked games.SDFC- 42 gamesMF-36Marlton- 49Morris- 38SSC- 26Holmdel- 30SJB- 32I'm sure each of these teams I listed will be better than they were last year. The results tallied up from those games played ends with SSC in 5th place. It's just a fact whether you like it or not. Right now they sit in 5th.
I dont understand that argument at all. On top of that you are both arguing points you cant possibly know all the facts on. Who did teams add? Who did teams lose? Who is hurt? etc Soooooo many factors. I also am not sure why it matters who is #1 and who is #5 at this point, arent all these teams poised to have colleges looking at them? Isnt that the point? Stronghold banging the drums is nothing new but lets give them credit, they are good.
It's opinion and predictions... The World Series ends and the next day the "experts" already have predictions for next years potential winner before performance, injury, trades etc. I believe that is way too soon but it happens in every sport.Having teams and individual players play well enough to get looked at by colleges is the end game, yes. Maybe teams added players I don't know... injuries happen throughout a season and we can't account for them right now but that doesn't mean we can't discuss the fast approaching season. Good luck to teams doing upcoming tournaments. Your good results are added motivation for every other team to reach higher. In state rivalry is a good thing. It makes everyone better.Who and why end #1-#5 for the upcoming season?
You keep bringing up added players with SSC.. seems like your little toe poker made the squad eh? Well Lads let's tighten our boots as SSC has both parent and striker then so desperately needed to beat the best.
Reality is Matchfit won the 1 state cup, SSC won the other one. Top 2 teams in the state..Marlton came in 3rd.. SDFC has not won anything in 3 years but still a good team.
What are you folks gonna do 2 years from now?? Better start following another age group because this one is all about college exposure now. If your team hasn't made it into the top flights of the top tournaments then you better get to a bunch of college ID camps. Stop trying to tear down the top teams. It's over now. Good luck to all in the quest for the next level.
Why are you so sure that college coaches are only interested in scouting at top flights? If you invite them to watch a game and evaluate a player, they will come. I know this to be true. Every player on a top flight team is not top quality. A college coach is interested in the player, not the team.
10:01 is correct. You still have to be at a top tournament and play good teams but top means little.
Kind of naive to think that it doesn't matter which team you are playing on. Trust me, it matters. Not saying good things can't happen if you aren't on a top team. It's just harder to get exposure. If it didn't matter the tournaments wouldn't have flights in the college showcases.
I know for a fact that 7:45 is right and wrong. If you are at a top tournament the flight does not matter. (Disney level)However, playing in the top flights will show coaches how you play against the best competition. It is not something that you now have control over so the only thing you can do is play your best against who you have been put up against. If you have coaches that are interested in you, they will come.
Speaking of flighting teams for tournaments can anyone give some insight on how the flights for the EDP Winter Showcase were determined? Eenie meenie miney moe?
What? SSC is not in the top flight? What will college coaches think?
Teams are all comparable to one another in each flight. It does look like some higher ranked teams play in lower brackets though
it does not matter!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What matters is who is all state and all american. You know they always get those right.
SSC is appropriately playing where they should be in the community college flight.
Teams were devided in 2 categories.The ones that could play 3 days or the ones that could only play 2 days..
Marlton, The town team has a Divison 1 player?? Must have paid his way in
4:00 -- what does that even mean? Hard to follow your sarcasm.
I'd like to know your opinions on roster size. Is there a limit? I think over 20 is too many. How would players get any meaningful play time? Especially if the coach gives most game time to the starters.
SSC absolutely piss poor sportsmanship both on the field and especially by the coach. If you can't handle the game don't play the game.
SSC coach a poor sport? Where have you been. He is an ass if there ever was one.
I watch a little of the SSC game today. Not a very good coach besides being an ""
I can't speak about the first game. Second game...The Coaching staff did nothing out of line.
Face it SSC, your team is not what it used to be. The team is going downhill and the coach knows it.
SSC. Subtraction through addition
It's good to see that the bloggers here, still consider SSC the best team in NJ. Which is the only team they are bashing. Out of the NJ teams the only one that did well was SDFC..
By the way holmdel talked you would have thought they won all their matches
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