Marlton, STA, and TSF all finished second in their divisions at Bethesda.
10;03Why shouldn't the scores matter? All the kids have been playing for the past 4 months.
2nd out of four teams? I guess that's not terrible.
Yeah 2nd of 4 teams in a competitive beacket seems like a good result.
Boys, if you are in the top bracket or two you can come in last and still play good competitive soccer.
Holmdel still proving people wrong. Players change winning doesn't
I'm sure half of Holmdel's players didn't get a chance to play. That roster size is ridiculous.
Wher did they win? I don't see where Holmdel won anything at Bethesda.
Why is roster size an issue to you? Just keep on plugging along winning
Good for Holmdel, good for NJ, congrats on winning the tournament
I thought the first holmdel comment about proving people wrong was sarcastic, as they lost two and tied one at Bethesda.
You can't be referring to the edp fall showcase because holmdel didn't win the flight, marlboro did.
The holmdel team playing in the u20 bracket in Bethesda finished last in their bracket and the u19 at edp showcase finished 2nd in the bracket. The roster size is an issue with me because half your team isn't playing. It is a showcase but I guess you don't care about that, Winning is what matters to you.
Is sdfc team still around? I heard that after coach left for CSA, the players scattered. Is this true?
I don't know about sdfc. They certainly aren't entering tourneys so far this fall/winter.
Why didn't EDP put Holmdel and Marlboro in different groups so that they would play each other? They both won all their games. They are both good teams. Why didn't they match them up?
The bracket was loaded with teams ranked #1 nationally to #25 nationally. What would make you think that EDP would know that those two teams would both go undefeated?
Setting up a rematch of the US Club National Championship Final seems like a no-brainer to above all else get as many college coaches as possible to attend.
They did setup a match between both the US Youth Soccer champion (Pipeline) and the US Club National Champion (Marlboro). Maybe they were more interested in that. Marlboro and Holmdel are bordering towns right? I am sure they can play as much as they would like too.
Who do you mean when you say "they" were more interested?
EDP of course. Pretty simple to see that.
EDP didn't set anything up. The coaches did. EDP deals with hundreds of teams so the chance that they will focus individual attention on two teams is unlikely. Simple to see that
2:10, you think the coaches pick the brackets and schedule the matches? You stated that EDP deals with 100's of teams, yes that is their job. That is how they make money. Even at this stage people still are crazy about their soccer. There are two youth soccer organizations, both had national champions, both played in the same tournament. A 6 year old would know to make that matchup.
You're crazy about youth soccer, that's for sure!
Holmdel trains for college, worry about your own roster.
Are you saying that Holmdel players don't need to get playing time? Training alone will get them into college? If so, I don't agree with that and neither would college coaches. I can tell you that I wouldn't want my son on a team with a roster that size but I guess some parents do.
I understand your point, and it is not a bad one. Holmdel challenges their players to play at their peak and if they dont then they will not be on a game day roster. This will bring out the best of everyone in practice and in turn will bring out the best of all at all times. Sorry if it is not perfect or fits in your plans.
Great idea to challenge your players! If you had two teams, the players won't do their best. If you could combine three teams, all the better. More money for you and the players will be at peak performance fighting each other for a chance to get playing time.
10 of those players aren't on the team anymore and 1 is a double
Do you think Holmdel is the only team carrying more than 18 players? There are more. Injuries, work, school, a lot happens at this stage of their senior year. I think it is great that many still want to play, look at it that way. They only issue will be when everyone is healthy and able to play, who doesnt get put on the roster?
Strange that Holmdels roster isn't updated yet when other teams are.
why do you care if you can see their roster? What would you gain?
Here this blog goes again. Another really meaningful and enlightening back and forth over one team. There must be more worthwhile topics like how families are dealing with recruiting and college soccer opportunities for example. Also, what do people think about klinsman firing and the current directions of us scooter in terms of how we see it from the developmental vantage point of youth soccer.
Not sure about scooters!
When you have a roster of thirty players, development of youth players is not the priority and if anyone claims to love this sport and wants to see a great US Mens team, youth players would receive excellent training and plenty of playing time. I'm tired of seeing huge rosters and listening to coaches claim that only training matters.
Anyone know when spring edp brackets and schedules come out?
Recruiting sucks. Coaches don't tell you all the facts and you have to guess at what is true and not true.
No more SDFC, most are now playing on the U18 team.MF will now play in the ECNL, anyone else?
What's up with ECNL? What other nj teams are playing in this league?
I do not see any Holmdel posts? Lost again?
It is almost universally accepted that MatchFit will be the SC favorite and by a fairly healthy margin. There are some very good teams out there but I do not believe anyone has a roster from top to bottom as good as MF.
Is it true that nj cup combines u18 and u19 into one group?
Accepted by who exactly? Seems like that will be a hard prognostication to back up until teams in their current manifestations from this age group start to play each other more. I'm not down talking MF either, let's wait and see what happens in early spring matchups though.
MF is not playing in the EDP league so they probably won't play most nj teams anyway. What is SC?
Yes, MF is so much better then all the other NJ teams-------------------------------------LOL
If your so great MF, why didn't you win the Bethesda tournament?
Stop. Anyone can win or lose at any time.
You won 0 games at Bethesda so no one is buying your argument. Keep patting yourselves on the back.
Everyone loses, everyone has bad tournaments. Someone that has not cant be named. Tournaments at this age group are attended by different players as many choose not to go. League games at this level will be attended by the greater amount.
Are teams at this age group even doing tournaments? What would be the point? Pay 1200 for the tournament, pay for hotel rooms, pay to travel. What will it get you? Any thoughts on this, maybe I am missing the "why to do it"
Only reason to play in tournaments is for those players that do not know where they will be playing in college. Reality is that if you are a senior and do not have a solid understanding of what coach wants you by now you are someone they do not want.
By senior yr in HS, D1 coaches are done recruiting but D3 coaches may still be interested in good players.
For the most part you are correct. D1 schools have been at the fields but they are mostly looking for specific positions to replace kids that may have gotten injured or have quit. They will still be out there at Disney tournament. D3's are all over the place looking at these kids. Could be some great opportunities in the D3 world.
The D2 schools are there too, problem is they are trash. Not good schools for the most part.
What do you mean when you say not good? Academic program or athletic program? Both are important. If a kid only cares about soccer, he shouldn't be in college and probably won't get in if his academics are poor.
Look at the local D2 schools, do they have good academic reputations? No.
I think that many at this age still want to play in good tournaments for the competition and to continue getting ready to play in college. Top brackets are filled with players going to d1 and d3 schools, so playing against them in these tournaments is probably beneficial even if it's not for the purpose of recruiting. I mean who really gets seriously recruited at tournaments anyhow? My son has certainly gotten contacted after a coach has seen him play, but the real contact with a coach/program that has mattered, has developed over time with serious research and reaching out on his part, and the coach seeing him play over time.
The soccer clubs that hold big tournaments make big bucks. The fees are always rising. Tournaments used to end at u18, now you see u19, u20. We'll probably see u21,u23 in the future
Scrambling coaches are the only ones left for graduating seniors. Best case you will be at the bottom of their roster.
As I see it the problem will be that each team will have some that want to go to tournaments to be seen and some that have chosen their college and will not care to go. I think this is a problem for all teams. The real question is when will the colleges be allowed to give their incoming freshmen their required times and weights they will need to hit when August rolls around.
International play you say??
Marlboro #1 in the nation...repping New Jersey well. Good to see NJ at the top
Congratulations Marlboro! You collected the most got soccer points.You're only #1 according to got soccer.
MF wins 4-1, in position to win the group.
OK it is a slow week so someone from Marlboro posted their ranking. Although I wouldn't have taken the time to do it, it is still quite impressive. Someone then took the time to state they are only #1 according to gotsoccer. In their defense, how else would they have this ranking? So I took some time to look at their last year, again quite impressive. I do remember when they received backlash because they won the US Club Nationals and not the US Soccer. They then went on to defeat Pipeline who did win the US Soccer Nationals. Seems to me that they should be #1, do you have a different team that deserves it for NJ? They played Holmdel and MF and won both games.
And someone spent the time to look up Marlboro's record over the past year. Slow week.
Do you know how long that takes? If it takes you over 1 minute you failed.
12 D1 commits so far. That's all that matters at this stage.
Really? What schools?
2 Syracuse, 1 University of Virginia, 1 University of Rhode Island, 3 Rutgers, 1 Yale, 1 St. John's, 1 Fairfield, 2 Lafayette
Goes to show you that contacts matter
Style of play matters. Organizations matter. Getting in the top flights of the top tournaments matters. If you have younger children that want to play in college get them to the right clubs.
A student having good grades and test scores is more important than what flight your teams is playing in. The student comes first in student-athlete. As for style of play, it depends on how the college coach wants his team to play.
Yeah, the club doesn't seem that crucial. Exposure either. What matters is how proactive the player and parents are in connecting with coach and how good the grades and scores are. Of course how talented and hard working the player is as well. D1 soccer is not a major revenue sport obviously, so coaches need to have players come to them.besides the academy kids, they aren't hitting the tournaments that hard for recruiting. Seems like more d3 coaches do.
Academy is the best way by far. MF was on the radar for that reason. Academy is the way
Is MF the team with 12 D1 commits?
Marlboro I think
MF has 14 now, don't know how many Marlboro has. If you guys think that D1 coaches aren't at tournaments you are wrong. ND, UVa, Syracuse, Northwestern,Navy, Pitt, Penn St., UPenn, Yale, Rutgers, Princeton and many more were all at Disney last week. The other place that I saw the most D1 coaches was at Regionals. Then comes Penn Fusion friendlies.
Of course d1 coaches are at Disney. Dallas cup too. Everyone knows that. Those aren't your typical youth soccer tournaments. Most d1 coaches are not spending their recruiting energy attending many other non ussda venues. That's all I'm saying.
MF and all of their D1 commits showed all of those D1 coaches their ability in their 4-0 blowout loss. Do not be fooled, they have some very good players but there are a lot of very good players out there. MF had the advantage of playing in the academy league and that jump started their exposure. You want to play at a real D1 program, go academy.
Holmdel has many playing in college also. I am sure that SDFC, SJB, Marlton, SSC and Marlboro have their fair share also.
7:53, you sound so angry. 2 kids committed after that loss in the final. Coaches don't care at all about the score of the game. As for the rest of your post you basically agreed with my first post on the subject. If you wanna play in college you have to put yourself in the right situation. There are lots of very good players on many teams but they didn't get to the right tournaments and didn't get seen. The club you play for definitely matters. Just my advice for those with younger players.
9:56, 100% the right team matters and DA is really all that matters. Those 2 kids that committed after that loss had already been ID and that match meant nothing to them. All those D1 recruits and still lose 4-0 though?
No question, a bad loss. We shot our load night before winning a game we were down 2-0 with 12mins left. Team from Miami area was skilled, fast, physical and tough. They took it to us. Gave up 3 in a 20min span in first half. Last goal was a pass back to our goalie that took bad hop. Bad loss in the finals of Disney, agreed. We still view it as a good tournament. It happens...
It does happen. Best of luck to all that will be playing at the next level.
MF is not DA so why are you saying only DA matters?
No disrespect but 9:56 and others could use a bit more nuance in this discussion of right club being so critical for playing d1. Also, to a few others, academy is not only route to d1 whatsoever. Maybe the absolute best route to take for trying to get the sparse amount of $ that a d1 coach has to offer, but there are far more d1 roster spots than academy players first of all. In terms of the right club mattering, I guess to an extent but in terms of clubs, really you could look at the top 7-10 clubs of this age group as essentially being in the same boat as seen by the eyes of a college coach. What you want in a club is excelent coaching/training and a group of competitive players players to play with and against week to week. So being on a club that plays in top flights does matter in that sense. The real keys for recruiting though are the combination of initiative/connections that allow one to get on a coaches radar (and this is not something that is simply achieved by playing for a certain club), obviously being a highly skilled/physical/motivated/aggressive player, and the grades. College coaches want very good players who will succeed on and off the field and will not result in any kind of headaches whatsoever. They don't have the time, resources, and institutional power for the most part to deal with any headaches. These are things we have learned from knowing several players who have recently been on this journey.
MF was DA and they got their attention while there. Other than that the DA is the real place to be for recruiting purposes.
College coaches do not have the time or resources to find the diamond in the club team. Does it happen? Yes, but they would rather take the 18th man on an academy team any day of the week. These coaches have jobs and must perform or they will lose it. It is much easier to defend your losses when you have foreign and academy players on it. There is a difference to playing D1 and being on a D1 roster. For those of you that this is the first time going through this, you might be very surprised at the lack of playing time is available and even more surprised when you find out that many players will not even be on the team 2 years from now. Someone brought up D1 money earlier, if money is what you want go play D3 as those schools have the ability to hand it out much more easily. It will not say you got it for soccer or any other sport but you will quickly realize how you qualify for an academic scholarship that you really shouldnt qualify for and the various other scholarships and grants they can give out.
Clubs need to stress the importance of good grades if kids want to play in college. All they seem to do is brag about their "professional playing" experiences. Impressive to kids but at the end of the day. so what? You take kids out of school to take expensive trips so they can feel like professional players? Not what they need.
Agreed that grades are VERY/MOST important but if you think that missing 1 or 2 days of HS will impact your grades then your grades are already an issue.
Not 1 or 2 days, weeks. And now because of travel to far away tournaments, more time off. Fun for kids but not helpful to academics.Giving kids the impression that the world revolves around soccer is hurting them in the long run. I know a kid who missed so much school because of soccer, he dropped out because everyone gave him the impression that he would be a star and make loads of money. Not working out as he planned.
And players need to be prepared for the incredible grind of a college soccer season which really makes academic success in the fall semester a very difficult prospect. The training, travel, and multiple games per week make for a rather ridiculous season and this is something that d1coahes are trying to address with a move to a season that is spread over the fall and spring, but for now the season is such that incoming freshman really need to be aware and prepared for this insane schedule just as they are acclimating to a new college environment.
11:42 your facts are wrong. Coaches will tell you and studies have proven that the team GPA is higher in season then it is out of season. The structure helps in the fall and lack of structure hurts in the spring.
D1 coaches may help their players to keep their grades up but it's still an uphill battle. D3 soccer is more compatible with academics.
Why is D3 more compatible with academics?
11:56--don't think the "facts" as you call them are wrong. Maybe debatable, but clearly there is a legitimate groundswell of support from college coaches for such a shift:https://www.nscaa.com/web/News/Articles/August_2016/NSCAA_D1_College_Men_Propose_Academic_Year_Season_Model.aspx
Yeah. Coaches will tell you lots of things . . .
That part of your point was not addressed. All coaches would prefer to have the season in both the fall and spring (it makes sense). If you take the fact that grades are better "in season" that would lead me to believe that grades would be better overall if they took the 2 season approach.
Do you really think playing D1 soccer is a simple thing? That's what you're making it sound like. The physical and mental demands put on student athletes are so intense. They have to expect a stressful 4 yrs.
Where does it state or give you the opinion that anyone said it was simple?
Academics are important but there is a very wide range of academic standards in college soccer. Some schools are looking for ACT score of 22 and some are looking for 32. Some schools require players to take summer classes so they will have a lighter load during the season. It is a challenge, and yes some kids are unhappy after their Freshman year due to lack of playing time or workload. That's why there are so many transfers out there. Key is to go to a school that you would like to graduate from even if soccer goes away. Love the school, like the soccer. Use soccer to help you get into a school that you would not have gotten into without soccer.
Yeah 2:23, what are you talking about? Everyone knows D1 soccer is no joke, and a very challenging way to go through 4 years of college. Coaches are pointing out how inordinately taxing the current fall season can be given the amount of games per week, lack of proper recovery time, and a large amount of missed class time in the fall. Maybe some want to argue about these points, but they are coming from the coaches. I'm seems to me that the physically taxing part of the argument can be partly verified by the tremendous amount of injuries suffered. Expecting a stressful four years is One thing. Playing and studying in a system that is not optimally set up for ones health and academic success is another.
Is it better to go to a D1 school where you might never play or a D3 school where you have a better chance to play and less stress? Academically speaking, the D3 school is a lot of times the better option but you do not have the D1 label. My son has an option to go to a D1 school, I fear he will choose this for the D1 label only and not really look at all the options.
There are some fantastic D3 schools out there. Many with great academic reputations. One thing about a lot of the real good D3's is they tend to be small schools. If your kid is good with that then D3 makes a lot of sense. Many D3 schools play better soccer than D1's. The academic/sports mix is probably better at D3's. I also hear you about kids wanting to play D1. I guess it depends on what schools you are talking about. I would prefer my son to graduate from Tufts or Amherst over many D1 schools. But most kids probably don't see it that way. At the end of the day not too many of these kids are going to make a career out of soccer. They should go to the school that gives them the best chance to get employed in the field they choose.
Can anyone shed a light about the Main Line friendlies in PA. How good is the competition over there. In terms of college coaches, do you get a fair amount of coaches scouting there. I looked it up on the web, but could not find much on it.
I think that is the tournament organized by Penn Fusion. It is one of the best showcases I have seen. They invite a small group of top teams in each age group. College coaches are there in force. Been there last 2 years, if you get invited go.
A bit too late to try to be seen for the first time, don't you think?
May not be for him. This blog says U18 which is the '99's. if they are graduating in 2018 it's not too late. For the '98's you are correct probably too late.
It is never too late. All teams will lose a recruit or two that they thought they had and will take on a random player at this time to fill out the class. I would suggest NOT being that player but you can get yourself on a roster.
Again, do not choose your college with soccer as your main priority. Some D1 schools do not offer the best bang for your buck when it comes to education and job placement. Why go to Binghamton, FDU or Rider to name a few when you can play at Tufts or Carnegie Mellon? Which will get you the ultimate prize, a great career.
Admission standards are a lot tougher at carnegie mellon and tufts. A student athlete who wants to go to a very selective school is putting academics first, which will of course, mean a great career. There are other student athletes who just want to play D1 and put soccer first. That could also be fulfilling. You're only young once.
You can take out CM and Tufts and put in many other schools with great academics and placement ratios. You stated that you're only young once, that is true, and then you need to work for a living. Playing at a low level D1 standard (maybe playing, maybe never seeing the field) and not getting a quality education is not the wise way to go IMO.
who said anything about low level D1 schools? A kid could be a great player and be a starter. You can always get more education and start a career later. There's more than one path.
My response was just following along the conversation, of course someone could be a starter, each team has 11 of them. However, the majority of the players are not as each roster has anywhere from 28 to 40 players on it
It is funny how a blogger asks one simple question and things just start spiraling in different directions. One person came in the blog asking how good is the Main line Friendlies is in terms of competition and college coaches and one person is saying that is the same as the Penn Fusion Friendlies (is it), than another is saying too late to be seen by college coaches(we don't even know what grade the kid is in), the next 2 are talking about how education is better CM and Tufts then FDU and Binghamton. This blog is too funny.
Or, there can actually be two topics discussed at once. Too taxing for some. It is not too late for a HS SR to bee seen by a college coach, they just need to understand that the money has been dispersed for the most part and if they are being seen for the first time, well it is not a great sign. I do agree with the choose your school over choose your soccer. If you are able to play at a top school like Rutgers or Maryland for example and even have a chance at playing soccer that would be great. There might even be some playing time at Rutgers available as their 2017 recruiting class is not that strong.
Couldn't just leave it there, had to leave with an insult. Almost set a record, we went at least 5 days without any nastiness. Now the blog is back to form!
Why are you saying that the Rutgers class is not that strong for 2017? Is that because of couple MF players are in that recruiting class.
I give that Rutgers coach a lot of credit, he recruits NJ and almost exclusively. It has not given him wins lately but at least he isn't going overseas like other coaches are.
Takes a helluva an ego, guy thinks he knows soccer better than Dan Donigan...
What do you mean? It's true that RU isn't winning many games and the roster is mostly NJ kids. Big ten is a tough league.
Have to recruit better if you are going to survive the big 10 and keep your job.
Funny how people jump to conclusions, I thought that was a compliment to the Rutgers coach. I guess a MF parent whose kid is going there is a bit paranoid.
I agree with you. It's a NJ State school. Nice to give NJ kids roster spots. Recruiting overseas players is not helping US players .There's plenty of talent in nj.
No doubt that NJ talent is there, just need to recruit the correct talent. Past history is not on his side but time will tell if the 2017 group works out. Best of luck to this class.
Soccer is like no other sport I know, you have players that are very talented playing D1 and D3 soccer. I couldn't tell you the difference in these players and in some cases I would say I would prefer the D3 player over the D1 player. There does not seem to be any flow to the recruiting and placement of these players. Also, what happened to D2, not a lot of options there at all.
There are a lot of excellent D3 soccer programs out there. For instance, Amherst could probably beat some of the top 25 D1 teams out there on any given day. They are a top 25 academic school too. So people make choices for different reasons.
I think we all know players that went to a D1 school last year and saw no playtime. Speak to them, they hate it. We also all know players that saw little or no playtime at the D3 level, they hate it too. Bottom line, know where you fit best, unfortunately this is almost impossible to project.
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