Tuesday, December 5, 2017

Collegiate Soccer

See you later, youth soccer...

It's a college game now.

Who went on to play in college, who didn't?

Where are they now?

Share your collegiate soccer experience at DI, DII or DIII.

Trust us, the kids are all watching.

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Anonymous said...

Scrimmages in full swing, season to start very soon. Players will now begin to love or question their decision to go where they did and school has not yet started. Add in the school work and that will really make some question what they really want to do. Good luck to all.

Anonymous said...

What a way to get the season started! RU plays 2 top 5 teams Wake Forest and North Carolina. Good luck!!

Anonymous said...

Well that didn't go well. Can you say overmatched. Freshmen playing but not well

Anonymous said...

Hate to be a braggart, but my son scored his first collegiate goal last night. A preseason friendly so no big deal for most...except me!

But what's far more important is the massively increased level of maturity I've seen from him over the past month! Wasn't convinced my boy would grow up and behave like a man so quickly and am really impressed with how wrong I was about this!

Anonymous said...

One other thought about collegiate soccer.

My son has now played 3 friendlies at the D1 level and I don't think any one of these matches exhibited the same quality of soccer as I'd seen at the "elite" youth club level. Quite frankly, I think my son's U18 club team could have at least competed with (if not beaten) any of the three schools I've seen so far.

Just hoping college soccer isn't a step backwards?

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Anonymous said...

Congrats on the goal, hope there is more to come. I have watched one college game scrimmage so far and it was ok. You could see some flashes of brilliance and some rough play. I thought the speed of play would be much faster but tbh I do not think it is.

Anonymous said...

In my opinion, college soccer is like the physical style of play that you see in HS. I don't see the quick possession style of passing that was enjoyable to watch in club. College coaches seem to put a big emphasis on fitness and player size over skill.

Anonymous said...

My son and I had been to some matches at a local DI, DII and DII schools in the year before he graduated and I thought they all looked oddly similar. The DIII schools is a very good one so I suppose that contributed to the similarity.

But as I watched one of my son's recent friendlies live and got video of the other 2, I was also surprised by the speed of play, or lack of it rather. Not nearly as fast as so many people led me to believe it would be. And these are not bottom of the barrel DI programs (although definitely not the ACC either).

The more I think about it, the more confident I am that my son's U18 club team would be a real surprise for these schools...assuming the referee made sure to protect the youngsters.

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Anonymous said...

Mixed thoughts tonight (or this morning now that I think of it.)

My son's college team played their first regular season match today. My freshman son started and played at least 70 of the 90 minutes. The result for his team was disappointing as they got a draw despite being the much better team.

The quality of the soccer was ugly at best. I'm trying hard to be optimistic but can't ignore my disappointment,

My son's ability as a soccer player has given him an opportunity to play at a very good school where he can get a very good education at a very discounted rate. So I should be very happy, right? And for the most part, I am. But it would feel better if the brand of soccer didn't suck!


Anonymous said...

I should add that my son's school is clearly in a "rebuilding" year as most of last year's first team have graduated. So expectations are appropriately tempered. But still, for God's sake, please don't ask me to watch a match where the keepers punt the ball back and forth to each other repeatedly as it's an incredible bore.

My son's U 18 team would beat his DI college team easily. An well!

Anonymous said...

...and that's despite the international element of his college team. With all due respect to the Europeans and South Americans who are playing with my boy, there are a BUNCH of Jersey kids that are much better than you!
GO JESREY!

Anonymous said...

Funny you should mention the foreign players as that along with the academy kids get the first look. We will see if performance = playtime or does the coach need to save face by playing the touted players. Foreign = good to most people. Academy = the best to most people.

Anonymous said...

A little surprised you are so upset about the quality of college soccer. I often told my son last year that he is probably playing the highest quality soccer that he will play in his life. Many of the college coaches are products of the way soccer was played 25 years ago here in the US. They still put a premium on big kids who kick it high, far and wide. It's going to take some time and turnover to get college soccer played at a high level. Sounds like you have a very good result from your son's soccer career, good school and partial scholarship. Enjoy it, these 4 years are going to fly by too!

Anonymous said...

I have talked to a player who played in the UK and was recruited to play college D1 in the US. He doesn't think the quality of coaching in college is as good as he got in the UK and the US coach won't let him play like he always did, for example, no pass backs. so maybe mixing foreign and US players don't have a great result.

Anonymous said...

"A little surprised you are so upset about the quality of college soccer..."

I wasn't expecting great soccer at the outset. As I'd mentioned previously, my son an I had watched a number of matches at all three NCAA levels in the past year so I was reasonably prepared. I think the fist match of his season just happened to be a particularly ugly example of the "beautiful" game.

Saw his second match today and it was much easier on the eyes.

But you're definitely right about the big picture here. A good education at a nicely discounted rate is a very good thing...and it will be over in what will feel like a flash!

Anonymous said...

"...no pass backs..."

Good grief, that's a disturbing report! Please tell me you were kidding!!!

Anonymous said...

Looking at playtime allotted, some have made very poor choices if getting on the pitch was their plan.

Anonymous said...

This great play in college is showing with the MNT. Wow we are unstoppable! Did you see that incredible draw last night and the last loss. I guess we will be watching Russia from home...

Keep up the good work boys!!!

Anonymous said...

That team is an embarrassment. They couldn't string more than three passes together. They were very lucky to get a draw and maybe qualify for the World Cup. Relying on an 18 yr kid old to be their play maker is sad and that kid has lived and played in Germany since he was 15.

Anonymous said...

The goal was scored by a player who went to live and play in Germany as a young teenager as well. I don't have too much confidence in US colleges turning out quality players.

Anonymous said...

Last night was embarrassing but I do attribute some of it to the use of players at the end of the cycle. Beasley should be in a rocking chair by now and morris and Pulisic were the only ones with a decent work rate (Bradley is always running but seems to have lost his focus). There is hardly any communication on the field and the back line is USL level at best. I think US soccer needs to rely a bit more on the College game as US Basketball and American football use it as a training ground for their professionals. Take the DA concept one step better and focus on DA colleges where the US can influence training and selection of players. I also believe the FIFA conspiracy that has held a throttle on the US ever gaining ground in the men's game. We really should replace the head of US soccer as his tenure at the helm has not produced any stellar results. Repeal Sunil!!

Anonymous said...

I'm a fan of Pulisic's but he didn't complete his passes last night. I think expectations for that kid are too high. He's young and he should be protected. If you saw the foul against him, he really got slammed. He goes out on the field and he's targeted.

Anonymous said...

11:16am

Agree, that was the one non-annoying comment the commentators made last night. Pulisic is young and good but has no respect from International players and no protection from his own US team. He is well protected @ Dortmund. There was another kid from the Philly area that was a home grown Union player and drafted at 16, went over seas and was never heard from in the soccer world again.

https://www.philadelphiaunion.com/post/2010/12/22/union-sign-pfeffer-first-home-grown-player

Anonymous said...

At what point do college coaches move away from the "lets play the upper classmen" mentality and move onto the players that will be there for 4 years and are just as good if not better? Is there a norm?

Anonymous said...

"At what point do college coaches move away from the "lets play the upper classmen" mentality..."

I'll give my son's coach some credit in this regard. The first 11 for their first match of the season included 5 freshmen. I should add that 3 of them were internationals who are a bit older so maybe that spoils the point. But the other two were American players who just started college and apparently earned their spots.

So there's definitely no "Johnny's a SR so he's going to play based on his seniority" mentality going on. College coaches need to win.

Anonymous said...

All coaches need to win. The idea that "player development" will ever be seen as a success without winning is a pipe dream. Fact is, development equates to winning.

Bottom line is that, at this point, NCAA soccer isn't what we all hope it could be. But patience is a virtue and it will better and better over time. The game has come a long way in my li, etcfetime in this country and I've quit predicting when and where we'll collectively progress to by any particular time.

But at some future point, this country will produce some of the best soccer players in the world (along with most of the best baseball, basketball American footballers, golfers, tennis players, etc)

We'll probably always suck at darts though.

Anonymous said...

Darts and cricket. We suck at cricket too!

Anonymous said...

Interesting point about the international players. Some are much older, like 10 years older! No rules being broken but it is a weird dynamic.

Anonymous said...

It can sometimes be men vs boys. As far as freshmen playing over upperclassmen I can only speak for my sons team. They started Freshmen game one and after 4 games the Freshmen are taking over the playtime. I am sure all teams are different but different because of the ability or inability of the upperclassmen. I will say this, if you are a freshman and not traveling or not getting a minute of playtime you are in for a long road. Next years class and transfers will get a look before those sitting the bench now will.

Anonymous said...

Rutgers not able to win again. Difference now is that the local products dont get to see the field. Keeper is real good.

Anonymous said...

How can you say that, Rutgers has a ton of GotSoccer points!

Anonymous said...

Time to get a life guys.

Anonymous said...

The GS points comment was a stupid one but the others seem legit. Rutgers does not recruit the top NJ talent. They accept 2nd tier talent out of NJ, it is that simple. They put them on the roster to show they are a local team. Once they play they realize what they really got.

Anonymous said...

They try to recruit the best talent but top talent have better choices. First, Rutgers team needs better results. Good Luck but tough road ahead for them. Big ten is a tough league.

Anonymous said...

Went to watch one of the D1 school's that are recruiting my son and they had 2 freshmen and 3 sophomores starting and 5 of the 7 players that came off the bench were freshman. 9 freshman played during the game, which I think is a good number. The coach spoke to us and said that he does want the young guys to have game experience so when they have to take over they are ready.

Anonymous said...

Generally speaking, if you are not logging ANY meaningful minutes as a freshman you are not in the right program. That does not mean you have to start, but you need to have a consistent role with minutes. Without that the freshmen class of 2018 will be given priority over you and you will be out by your junior year. Of course there are exceptions, but this is the rule of thumb.

Anonymous said...

Yeah...... maybe

But still doesn't mean you should transfer

If you are happy with the collegiate life, your academic process - just not getting on the field - could still be wise to ride it out with pride.

Anonymous said...

11:22, that's good so long as your son is a freshman or sophomore. When he's a junior or senior probably not so good.

Anonymous said...

1:01 PM
why would you say if you are not logging ANY meaningful minutes as a freshman you are not in the right program?

Look around the NCAA rosters and see how many freshmen are logging meaningful minutes.

A lot of players don't start to play until they are sophomores or Juniors, not that I agree with that, but that is a fact.

Anonymous said...

Ummmm, wrong.

Anonymous said...

That's a really narrow minded opinion 10.22. Soccer is only a small part of college life . If a student athlete only cares about playing soccer, why is he in college? College soccer is not developing players, the coach just wants to win, just like high school. Do you think a student athlete's future employer cares whether he got "meaningful" minutes whatever that means, on his college team? Being part of a college team is an asset in the job market and nobody cares who was a starter. The rosters are huge.Everyone can't get meaningful minutes. This isn't youth soccer anymore. These kids are young adults getting on with their lives.

Anonymous said...

That is poor reading skills 1:28. The 10:22 response was to the 1:41 posting which stated " Look around the NCAA rosters and see how many freshmen are logging meaningful minutes.A lot of players don't start to play until they are sophomores or Juniors".

Although there are many cases where that is true, there are many more documented cases where the players that don't play their freshman year do not get to get on the field anytime after that also. Many quit all together.

Anonymous said...

I'm down with the whole collegiate experience thing. And "meaningful minutes" are more important to some players than others. Regardless of what the college system does (or doesn't do) to with respect to player development, some players are highly motivated to succeed so playing time (not to mention winning) makes a big difference to them.

I don't have any reliable data on the matter, but my gut is that if you're not getting any time in your first year at school, you might find yourself looking around and wondering where you think you might be able to play.

Unless you're just down with the whole collegiate experience thing, which is cool.

Anonymous said...

Some good players decided the D3 route would be better for them and felt they would be starters or get alot of minutes rather then sit on a D1 bench. Choosing William Paterson or Stockton over a Rider or FDU as examples. Some of those D3 players are a bit surprised now by the lack of playtime. Do some of these D1 players not playing change schools?

Anonymous said...

Lines of communication have to be kept open with the coahcing staff

That is rule #1

Then of course you have to know whether to believe them if they tell you there may be more minutes in year 2 and 3....

I dont ever see a reason to transfer after year 1 - given that you like the school part of the school - unless you feel you were flat out lied to and also that you could line up a gig elsewhere that you would be perfectly happy with

Transferring blindly can be dangerous. Have a bare bottom outlet - say a D3 or juco that you know will take you and play you, before thinking of severing ties with your first D1. Then with that in place - at least in your head - you can seek other locales at the D1 level.

Anonymous said...

Why the D1 mandate? Would you rather have a degree from FDU or Tufts? Would you rather have a degree from Monmouth or U of Chicago? Top schools, top programs. Soccer is secondary. The D2 schools are mainly garbage in all aspects but there are many D3 schools that offer a great education and you might be surprised at some of the soccer programs out there.

Anonymous said...

Another victory for Rutgers!!

Anonymous said...

This could be it for Dan. No chemistry at all on that team.

Anonymous said...

Great guy but results have to matter.

Anonymous said...

RU new Brunswick is 1-6-1. RU Newark is 8-0

Anonymous said...

How do you spect to survive, especially in the Big 10 when you have 25 players on your roster from NJ. I am not saying that NJ players are not good, but when you're recruiting is mostly coming from in-state and everyone else is recruiting across the country, I see that as a problem. Smaller schools with much less money and notoriety than Rutgers are doing a better job in the recruiting department.

Last year a lot of the Rutgers players were hurt, what is the problem this year.

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Anonymous said...

Not the top NJ players either

Anonymous said...

Unfortunately the top players did not go to Rutgers. I know of many NJ players that are playing D1 soccer and some D3 players that I would love to see on Rutgers over the players they now have. I don't know the reasons why they were not recruited and I certainly don't know why Rutgers settled for what they did. All good players but the Big 10 is no joke and the coaches should have known better.

Anonymous said...

Mike takes for his Rutgers team mostly PDA players. So he shuts out many other potential good players. Remember many good players already played at PDA and were not happy btw and left PDA making sour grapes with Mike

Anonymous said...

13 players, that is big recruiting class. Out of those 13 players, how many of them are really big 10 material!!!

Anonymous said...

That's just a matter of opinion but obviously Rutgers D1 coaches thought so. What's your idea of a D1 player?

Anonymous said...

D1 and Big10 are two different animals. Interestingly enough Rutgers won a game last night, notice any difference in the subs?

Anonymous said...

Talk about needing attention. Ok whose kid got subbed in at RU for the win?

Anonymous said...

I dont know but the goal scorer is like a 23 year old junior - is that correct?

Anonymous said...

I don't know what you mean by "goal scorer." There aren't too many goals being scored by that team. The most any player scored this season was 2.

Anonymous said...

Relax. It is just a down year. Did they miss on some good NJ talent, yes, but I think other schools can say the same.

Anonymous said...

So what do you mean by goal scorer?

Anonymous said...

I have no idea what that meant. I just know they have NO defense at all.

Anonymous said...

1 South Carolina
2 Stanford
3 North Carolina
4 Duke
5 UCF

6 Princeton

7 West Virginia
8 Texas
9 UCLA
10 Tennessee
11 Cincinnati

12 Rutgers

13 Notre Dame
14 Florida St.
15 Florida
16 Texas A&M
17 Wake Forest
18 Pepperdine
19 LSU
20 Penn St.

I think Rutgers is doing great with what they have #12 in the country out of 300+ not bad in my opinion.

Anonymous said...

Nothing against Rutgers but that poll doesn't make any sense. Rutgers is 8th in the big ten standings. The only other big ten school on that poll is Penn State and they're above RU in standings. Where's Maryland and Indiana? Both schools have great records. Fact is RU's record is terrible.

Anonymous said...

The above rankings are from the NCAA.

Rankings - NCAA Women's Soccer RPI
Through Games OCT. 01, 2017

61 Maryland
79 Indiana

Anonymous said...

The rating percentage index, commonly known as the RPI, is a quantity used to rank sports teams based upon a team's wins and losses and its strength of schedule.

Anonymous said...

Why the D1 mandate? This is a soccer board not an academic board. Of course great academics rock but when talking soccer which we are top of the pyramid is D1 the reward for all that hard work the girls did.

Anonymous said...

If a kid goes to Duke and doesn't get the minutes? Why would they leave it's still Duke. Unless they picked Duke for the wrong reasons.

Anonymous said...

apologies @215
I assumed you were referring to men's soccer. Rutgers woman's team have always done well.

Anonymous said...

As a soccer board, actual play time received is part of the equation. So that brings in the question why sit D1 at a subpar school when you can play (better chance) and get a great education D3. That was the point. Also, whoever changed this to Rutgers girls, well you are on the wrong blog. Rutgers girls does recruit NJ players too, difference is they get the best players not the 3rd tier.

Anonymous said...

8:05 I'm confused. Isn't this a college blog Boys/Girls? I don't see just boys.

PS. One major difference - the best Boy soccer players don't play college soccer - they go overseas or play for MLS clubs getting paid.

Examples:
Christian Pulisic (UEFA 19 years old)
Djordje Mihailovic (MLS 18 years old)

So we are talking Tier 2/3 for the boys also.

Anonymous said...

This blog has been boys soccer throughout the years and was recently changed to collegiate soccer from u18 boys. I think everyone agrees that men and women soccer have differences. When someone posts,it's a good idea to specify men or women.

Anonymous said...

9:05 my bad - I only went back to the below post to catch up. Thought it was both

Anonymous said...
Mike takes for his Rutgers team mostly PDA players. So he shuts out many other potential good players. Remember many good players already played at PDA and were not happy btw and left PDA making sour grapes with Mike
September 26, 2017 at 2:55 PM

I'm out. I don't want to change the norm.

PS. Boys or Girls it's the same conversation when it comes to recruitment.

Anonymous said...

Rutgers going strong

2-9-1 overall

0-6-0 conference

Anonymous said...

You mean PDA going weak...

Anonymous said...

Men NOT women. The womens program is strong.

Anonymous said...

Forget Rutgers, how embarrassing is our National Team? I almost want to pull my kid out of the sport! Trinidad and Tobego??? And Arena says no changes need to be made...what a clown!

Anonymous said...

The Rutgers's coach's days may be numbered but so are Bruce Arena's. Who will go first?

Anonymous said...

If results matter, both. Arena is gone regardless, it was decided months ago.

Anonymous said...

I think the PDA feeder into RU is securing the Coaching staff's future.

Anonymous said...

Rutgers just added GERRY MCKEOWN from PDA to their coaching staff this year. So that is now 2 PDA coaches on the Rutgers staff.

Anonymous said...

Pretty smart move. They will be great scouts with deep knowledge of and exposure to academy players.

Anonymous said...

Speaking of PDA, does anyone else firmly believe it’s time for Gerson Echeverry of Seton Hall to go? He hasn’t had a winning season in 6 years at SHU. Embarrassing for a Big East program. They need a new coaching staff if they want to become a winning side once again. Gerson as an alumni should realize this and resign himself if he really loves the school he once played for. No shame, he should do it for those young men.

Anonymous said...

Gerson clearly should be gone. Makes Rutgers look like they know what they are doing when it comes to recruiting. His ability to talk to potential student athletes is poor at best. He does have a lot going against him though, the school itself is not a hotbed of intellectual talent and their soccer facility is one of the worst I have seen. Location sucks, need I go on.

Anonymous said...

Oh goodness Gerson is terrible. Forget his resumé and his playing career. Not being able to have a winning season with Seton Hall is a disgrace. Their facilities were actually just redone and it is top of the line, so no excuses there for not bringing in good talent. Also nothing against it but he does bring in an obscene amount of foreigners. Most winning teams (aside from Rutgers lol) tend to have a team mainly of American kids. Just food for thought. His lack of ability to win games in my opinion falls back on the AD, Pat Lyons. A smart AD would get rid of him before 6 losing seasons turns into 16.

Anonymous said...

How about the RU freshmen starting to take over.

Anonymous said...

Seton Hall coaches are horrendous lol. I just looked at their season so far...tied St Peters, embarrassing defeats to Marquette, Providence and Georgetown. They only beat the easy teams, and just barely! I thought Gerson was supposed to rebuild that program, guess not though. That school needs new coaches for that team ASAP!!

Anonymous said...

^^^ Looks like the SH coach found a new gig after all...

Anonymous said...

Gerson and Vincent were both at the Cedar Stars vs DC United u18/19 scouting game on Sunday night. A school like Seton Hall with all their resouces who play on good conference should be able to have a better team. Rutgers Newark and Rowan due a better job scouting in state.

Side note, Stevens, St. John's and Hartford were also there.

Anonymous said...

So SH was there, they still do a poor job of speaking to recruits. They acted as if they dont care.

Anonymous said...

The tri-state plus PA is a hotbed for soccer players and these coaches still do such a bad job recruiting, what a shame.

Anonymous said...

Maybe it's a case of the best players don't want to go to Seton Hall or Rutgera. I know that those schools weren't at the top of my son's list when he was applying to schools. It's not just about attracting players to the soccer program.

Anonymous said...

True, who would want to play in the Big 10 or the Big East, what a waste of time.

Anonymous said...

You really think there are top players jumping at the opportunity to play on the worst team in the big ten league at a university that's in a not so desirable area? Student athletes consider school and team.

Anonymous said...

Ummm, yes. Go ask them, go recruit, it really is not that difficult of a sell.

Anonymous said...

Ummm If you were a college coach you would know that recruiting athletes is an involved process not as simple as you seem to think.

Anonymous said...

Finally, SHU makes the needed change. Oh,btw, it is a simple process. Communicate, be honest, and sell the programs future. He did NONE of that.

Anonymous said...

Completely agree with 11:05

Anonymous said...

Many of the players that moved on to college ball this year have had their seasons end, some are still in but for the most part the season is ending. Did he/she make the right choice in schools?
Did they get the soccer experience they thought they would?
Any surprises?
Did they determine soccer is not that important anymore and are leaving?
Transfer in their future?

Anonymous said...

My son plays D3, what I saw was 1) there are some really talented players out there and 2) there are some players out there that make you shake your head.
He received a lot of gear and stuff he can keep which I was surprised at and I think the routine and schedule helped him get his grades to a very good level. Lots of travel, I would not want him to have to board a plane and miss classes for days at a time so that worked out well.

Anonymous said...

D3 is fine. Why not. And I agree you have the top like 4-5 players that most likely could have gone DI or DII. But many, many times it is about the money and the way the player and parents approached it. I know a goal keeper, he is not really in shape, not that good, just good enough lets say. But, got a 50% scholarship to a good DII school. And it was a cheaper school so worked out real well and Junior now. If my kid gets a DIII full scholarship, academic of course, based on soccer, why not?

Anonymous said...

What does that mean? Academic scholarship based on soccer? Does that exist?

Anonymous said...

@1.26
It sounds like you think playing D3 is somehow beneath playing D1 or D2.
D3 is a better choice for some who put their education first and it's not about money or the way parents and players approach college coaches. To each his own!

Anonymous said...

Yes D3 gives money for sports, they just do not "word" it that way. You might be surprised the scholarships that are available and that your son or daughter might get if they want them enough. Most schools have scholarships available with loopholes in them so they can give them to almost anyone.

Anonymous said...

My son's friend received 60% of his school paid for on a DIII school, because of soccer. Receiving money for playing sports in DIII happens all the time.

Anonymous said...

The money potential at the DIII level was a real revelation for me when my son was looking for a school. While speaking to a DIII coach from a VERY expensive school I told him that, realistically, I didn't think we could possibly fit them into our budget even with a healthy academic scholarship. His reply was not to worry about that as he would be sure money was not an issue. I still don't know exactly how far he could have gone as my son concluded it wasn't the right school for him soon thereafter. But something makes me think the coach was very serious about this.

Anonymous said...

They are serious. Bringing in a player that would not ordinarily go to that school is important to the bottom line. It also acts as marketing for the school as their name gets out to the HS the player comes from. Many, many loopholes in giving out money and the beauty of D3 is that it can NOT say it is sports related so they can NOT take that money away if you quit.

Anonymous said...

For anyone who has been through this process they will tell you that you can get alot of money from a D3 school. Much more from D3 then D1 from what I saw. D2 was weird and the schools in this area are not enticing so stayed away from that.

Anonymous said...

My daughter had interest from various schools at the three levels, she did not pursue the local D1's who showed interest and was more heavily recruited at the D2 and D3 levels, the D2 schools often indicated that the lower tuition and high application rate made it difficult to provide too much "assistance". The D3 schools (3 of them) each provided enticing up front assistance packages. My daughter chose the school that provided the best option for her major with the best coach for her personality. We would not have even considered the school previously based on initial tuition costs. I believe the local interest from higher division schools plus the in conference interest helped with her final offer.

Anonymous said...

They would not have had any idea that she had interest from other schools, unless you/she told them. With that being said, the coach would not have taken that seriously anyway because parents always say their child has D1 interest. Please define interest. They replied to your email?

Anonymous said...


Hay 10:00

I bet you are one of dads on the sideline telling everyone who would listen that your kid will get a D1 full ride. Sounds like you are justifying why your D1 caliber player all of sudden "chose" to play D3. Make whatever excuse you want buddy. #saveface

I will wait for your reply when you say "Education is more important" and how you "...never brag on the sideline."

Save it! We have been listing to pompous wind bags like you for too long. Next you will say she turned down Stanford and Duke because they didn't have her major.

Anonymous said...

Hay 10:29

I don't think that is what he was saying.

I believe he was merely trying to tell the story of what happened with his Daughters situation.

Anonymous said...

11:16 Correct.

D1 runs the gamut of really good teams as well as marginal to really poor (all divisions have the same bandwidth).

10:29 - Never talked recruiting on the sidelines, never boasted about D1 interest. The interest that she received was direct conversations with her club coach and the college coach after showcase games and some league games. Stanford was not in the mix, it was 3 local schools so the soccer was good but the perceived $$ and upper classman in her position would most likely made it difficult to see playing time first 2 years. I think you may be the person you are describing and realizing that the clock is ticking and the offers you hoped for did not come, of you steered your kid to the program you wanted for bragging rights and they are not seeing the playing time.

I believe I provided a frank and honest response to the question. We all start out with high expectations (especially seeing interest at u15) but eventually we realize the game of recruiting and the importance of education value and soccer value. My daughter had the opportunity to go to a very good school at a lower tuition because of her drive and perseverance. I have also learned that you don't make yourself better by making someone else less. Hopefully you will be able to work out your situation and loose some of the bitterness you are harboring.

Anonymous said...

My son has interest from a few high academic DI schools (and yes we are looking at both education and soccer) and it is funny how these coaches have already told my son that with his grades and scores he will have no problem getting into the school. One school has already put out an offer without us even sending them any proof of his academics accolades. Until now I had only heard about how much power these coaches have, but now going through the process with my son, I can say it is all true. Let's not forget the fact that they were already finding ways to talk to him as a sophomore. At the end of the day, if your son/daughter can play, the money will be there, whether it is from academics or sports.

Anonymous said...

D1, D2, or D3 who cares? Hopefully soccer will pay for the real prize, a good education! You win if a school gives you money (academic or athletic) to play a sport that you still love. Great if you like the coach and your teammates. Even better if the team is successful. Unless you plan to play past college, it doesn't matter.

I agree with 10:29 Just stop the bragging and boasting on the sidelines because we don't really care. I have heard people like you saying D1 this and D1 that for way too long. I will go crazy if I have to hear it again this weekend! Talking loud to the person next to you so we have to hear it counts too!

Anonymous said...

1:11 is another bitter parent whose kid is not going to the school where daddy and mommy wanted him too, either because the money was not right or the kid was not good enough. Stop hating and just enjoy your kid's game at Centenary College.

Anonymous said...

No, that's an honest parent saying who cares and I agree. These kids are young adults and all the helicopter parents should back off and all the youth coaches should go back to coaching their youth teams.

Anonymous said...

1:43 - I kinda agree. I was at the EDP tournament this past weekend and a dad on the sidelines of a 3rd level down match was talking about his daughter looking at offers from USC and UCLA, PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY EAGLES (NJ) I am thinking that's a bit of a stretch.

Anonymous said...

1:43

I don't believe that was the case here on this blog.

Anonymous said...

If money is what you want, work on the grades. Soccer and grades = lots of $ with the D3 schools. Much more $ then the D1 schools can offer (speaking to the masses of course)

Anonymous said...

2:14 agree. getting mass e-mails about camps and interest is not true interest. it's fishing; casting a wide net to grab a bunch of fish; a few are ones you keep; most you toss back. were those coaches even at the event?

Anonymous said...

USC and UCLA were not at and never will be at an EDP event. The list of regional D2 all americans was released for mens soccer. 90-95% of those listed were from overseas. Good luck finding a school that you like, that wants you, that you will play at. If you are a very good player and you are ok sitting on the bench and maybe playing a few minutes here and there then you could be in good shape. Get the grades and go to a school that will help you in your future.

Anonymous said...

My son's friend who is an excellent player, was recruited by Syracuse and didn't play that much. He dropped out and is now playing in Sweden. So there is certainly no guarantee of playing time.

Anonymous said...

You don't see all these international players on the women's side. That says a lot about why the recruitment process starts earlier for girls and why their is more scholarship money available.

Anonymous said...

Going through the recruiting process, some D1, no D2 and many D3. D3 offers include money (albeit no specific soccer money, I know he would not get it otherwise). D1 money is all for SAT's and the maybe/promise of soccer money somewhere down the road. Is it common to actually receive this "promise" money?

Anonymous said...

Seton Hall has hired a new coach, with that say goodbye to spots for NJ and US players. Over half of his current roster is from overseas.

Anonymous said...

Seton Hall could not get anybody else but a DII coach. I just hope he makes the program better.

Seton Hall and Rutgers, are good academic Universities and they should be attracting better student-athletes, from the state and surroundings, which currently they are not. Look at the roster for St. Johns, Fordham, Laffayet just to name a few and they are filled with New Jersey talent.

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Anonymous said...

Yeah, Lafayette has a great team and record LOL

Anonymous said...

So because you are a coach of a team that plays at a different level you cant progress to a higher level? In your world, no one would ever get promoted.

Anonymous said...

We are talking about how to make Seton Hall a better program and is this Coach the right coach for Seton Hall. No one is questioning this coach's resume.

Also, since NJ is a hotbed for soccer, so why are NJ players going out of state.

Anonymous said...

Bill Belicheck was just an assistant.

Anonymous said...

I'm all for keeping NJ talent in NJ but if a player has a good offer to play for an out of state college, go for it!

Anonymous said...

2:47
That is a fair comment, but I don't think the in-state schools are doing enough to keep these players and that is what a couple of the posters above are saying.

Anonymous said...

Of course they are not. It does them NO good to have a team of NJ players. It looks like they dont care about recruiting the best and Rutgers has proven to all that is doesnt work.

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