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«Oldest ‹Older 601 – 758 of 758SSC lover. Trying to get bonus points for pretending to be a town team. They stay from an area as large as PDA
SSC def not a town team, but also doesn't draw from tri state area like PDA. SSC draws primarily from Somerset,Union, and Morris counties, occassionally getting some players who travel further say Princeton area, Hunterdon County, even a few from south jersey.
to 7 55 makes no sense what does pretending to be a town team even mean? and how does that get points?
Hey idiot by naming Somerset, Union, Morris, Princeton Hunterdon, Monmouth and a few from south Jersey does in fact make them regional.
Not all points are gotsoccer points.
from one idiot to another , I never stated they were'nt regional, but that they did not draw from out of state like PDA does.
NOT EITHER IDIOT. To state that they don't draw from out of state but do draw from 2/3 of the state makes you the stupid idiot in your argument.
SSC gets players from all over, lets agree on that.
Not either idiot or the genius before me, but what's wrong with drawing players from all over? You need to in order to compete with the top dogs in EDP because they are doing the same thing. SSC has been drawing good players from all over the state from way back in the stone ages when they started. Don't think they ever claim to be a town team nor should they. So yes to the above : They get players from all over. What's everyone's point anyway?
to me it looks like he stated that while SSC does draw from a wide area, that PDA draws from an even wider area and I would agree that that is a valid pt.
No. The point was that someone stated that SSC IS a town team
what happen to SDFC? they are not in the run for state champs? it would have been interesting to see them play Howell since they already took care of SSC more than once.
Howell 2 SJE 0
what about ssc/parsippany?
Hudson 4 Den of lions 0, about to watch the finals Howell vs Stronghold then Hudson vs PDA finals.
SSC won 6-1
SSC 6-1 Howell final
What's is worse. NJ force playing in the nit tourney or not winning it
No shame in a semi final performance that could have gone either way. Well done to all the teams in the premier division.
Spring state cup super group
Semis: Howell 2 SJB. 0. Goal just before half was gorgeous and sent them on their way. Kudos to Howell for reaching finals again. Proves fall was not a fluke.
SSC 2 Parsippany 1 Good intense game. SSC scored on two corner kicks and a late goal by Parsippany made it interesting. Parsippany can definitely play with the big boys.
Final : SSC 6 Howell 1. SSC played their best when it counted the most. Game not as lopsided as score indicates, as Howell missed some easy chances, SSC buried theirs. Hats off to SSC , they backed up their talk and pulled a double.
Wow, that is a surprising score in the final. Were they that dominant?
Howell did not look good.
I agree that Howell played flat, but still SSC Falcons looked very tough in the finals. They looked vulnerable in the morning semi, where Parsippany played a great game.
Howell played kick and run all day I saw no good soccer
Pda had no chance against Hudson, Hudson should've just played in the super group.
NJ Force has a solid team but their GK is not up to par. They will never win big games with him.
What was score of Hudson/PDA ?
WOW. 6 - 1 final. I don't care how bad Howell played, that's an impressive result. Got to hand it to SSC! Did #8 and 99 play?
Score of Hudson and PDA 7-1
Hudson is for real people, very nice team that moves the ball, attacks and strikes well. The former Hans Soliz team might be back? Can't say for sure until I see them go EDP but for now my interest is peaked.
We are EDP
Ssc did not have 99 or 8
Of course you knew that when you asked
Hudson when you play more than one game or better yet against someone with a pulse I will consider you worth a look. Until then you're just the winner of the NIT.
Congrats to SSC, did what they had to do. But let's not go overboard. They should take Howell every time. Of course Wigan can beat Man City, but still.
As usual the haters only see what they want to see. PDA, Force, Hudson, SSC, Howell and Den of Lions. Congratulations on great strides in being where you are. Win or lose Super or Premier all teams deserve an applause. All you haters you will hear or see these teams play yours some day . And you will have to eat your words.
Wow. you'd think that after 6-1 and 7-1 final victories that the SSC and Hudson haters would lay low for a couple of days.
I wonder how overboard you would go if your team won both fall and spring state cups.
not an ssc fan , but have to admit that is an impressive result, especially in a final
SSC proves they are top team in State
Congrats
I would have to reluctantly agree with you. Although they lost two EDP games to SDFC ( I think both were close one goal games) , SSC won when it counted in both state cups. SDFC may be the better team in a one game situation, but they stumbled in fall state cup with a loss to Howell, and for some reason, didn't even enter the spring state cup.They don't seem to have the numerical depth needed for a sustained run.
SSC has proven they are the top team, no one has ever said they cant lose. Congrats to SSC. Regarding Hudson, step up to the plate! Playing in the 2nd level state cup is pathetic, I don't even think there should be one. Everyone should apply and be put into one competition. Hudson applied for easy points, as did NJ Force but Hudson is a much better team.
I agree with the above post. If you are A team or only team of a club above a certain flight cutoff, within a given age group, then you should automatically be put into top flight of cup competition. The lower tier should be just that ,a competition for B teams and lower flighted teams. There should be not choice in the matter.
Regardless of the scores, did SSC and Hudson play good soccer?
SSC yes, they always do. Hudson, who would know. It is easy to look good against inferior competition.
Why don't you ask YMS if we play well? You say YMS is a top team, we tied them. So what does that tell you?
Krystal Ball's new revised top 10 :
1. SSC - won both fall and spring state cups, nuf'said
2. SDFC- beat SSC twice , yet faltered in fall cup, and didn't enter spring cup
3.Ironbound- disregard their EDP record; they are good
4.Howell- despite the two final blowouts to SSC, had to do somethig to get there.
5.Parsippany- impressive spring state cup, will get even better with super y experience
6. Marlboro - still trouble for anyone on any given day
7. STA Gunners - extending the champs to PK's shows they belong
8.Marlton -will they continue to have good summer tournament results?
9.SJE Barons- good EDP results; but slipped v Howell
10.Hudson- winning the lower bracket gotta mean something?
on the Bubble: PDA Messi, Boca, Millburn, SMC, Stallions,TSF, and host of others ( sorry if I missed anyone)
Here is who Hudson Beat to win the NIT. 1st Round Bye.
2nd Round #119 ranked team
3rd round #40 ranked team
4th Round #103 ranked team
5th round #28 ranked team
Finals #32 ranked team
so for Krystal Ball who says that winning the lower bracket must mean something, I beg to differ. I am not saying that Hudson isn't good, I am saying that this shouldn't be used on their resume to prove they are good. All this proves is they beat teams they are supposed to beat.
Hudson also has anger issues. In our game yesterday there must have been 16 or more yellow cards given out, some for just plain disgusting behavior. Easily the dirtiest team I have ever seen. Has this been an issue for them or they just act up on Mothers day?
Has SSC ever won its EDP league?
How about a top-ranked tournament?
So how is it that they win the State Cup if they don't win anything else? What do you think they are doing differently?
I think someone is angry at Hudson. Dont be upset if you come to New Jersey and cant come out with a win. And as I can see Hudson has done well against PAE teams. Dont try to tarnish a good playing team from New Jersey. You drew with them live with it. They are not a dirty team. Good technical skills if you know what that is.
I think someone is angry at Hudson. Dont be upset if you come to New Jersey and cant come out with a win. And as I can see Hudson has done well against PAE teams. Dont try to tarnish a good playing team from New Jersey. You drew with them live with it. They are not a dirty team. Good technical skills if you know what that is.
Ok Hudson, can you give an explanation to the 16 yellow cards?
SSC got their ranking points for what? their good looks? flashy uniforms?use some common sense.SSC has tied for first in EDP flight last season, and have won their fair share of tournaments.
16? Is that even possible? I would love to hear a response to this?
The above SSC hater at 10:58 has got to be someone living in the past, perhaps former SDFC or NJX. Get over it! Their team survived , yours didn't. Now they have taken over the place of SDFC + NJX in the heirarchy. And who knows maybe next year or the next, they could falter as well. That's the nature of youth soccer.
SSC, great job and yes you do deserve to be called the best.
Hudson, you come on here tooting your own horn now you should defend yourself.
Hudson, you are a good team but you did play in the wrong SC group.
Rankings above, I agree IB is a good team but a #3 ranking without winning games this spring is too high. As always IB lives and dies by its guest players.
Howell, not sure how you do it year in and year out but hopefully next year you will win it.
Krystal: your top ten is fine for the most part, but maybe Hudson does need to prove itself before getting 10 slot, oterwise OK
Agree IB may be too high, but curious if any NJ teams besides SSC and SDFC beat them? Most of their losses are against strong out of state teams.
IB has lost to Parsippany, PDA Messi, Marlboro, SJE, Morris UTD
next discussion please
Thanks for answering question and providing some info, but why such a pompous remark at the end?
That just means that he's a self proclaimed expert.
If providing facts hurts your feelings, don't ask for them.
Ouch!
And if giving facts means you have to be an asshole doing it, then don't give them.
Next discussion : why are you such a " tool" ?
our self -proclaimed expert should write his own little " ouch" after that one
Now , now, little boys.....stop your petty argument, or Krystal Ball, the soccer mom will take your toys away.
Did SSC really tie for first in the Fall EDP league?
Answer is no, see standings below. Interestingly enough IB didn't do well in the fall either.
1: SDFC RANGERS (NJ) 7 6 0 1 17 6 18
2: WORLD CLASS FC '98 TAMBI (NYE) 7 5 1 1 17 7 16
3: DOWNTOWN UNITED SC DUSC WHITE (NYE) 7 4 2 1 15 7 14
4: STRONGHOLD SC FALCONS (NJ) 7 3 1 3 17 15 10
5: NEW YORK SC NYSC 98-99 (NYE) 7 3 1 3 12 11 10
6: IRONBOUND MILAN UNITED (NJ) 7 2 0 5 11 17 6
7: BEACHSIDE OF CT BEACHSIDE (CT) 7 1 1 5 6 16 4
8: MANHATTAN SC 98 PREMIER (NYE) 7 1 0 6 5 21 3
To bring some clarity to the Hudson situation, yes they did secure many yellows, a few of them received multiple yellows in the game. We too had our share but the main issue was the complete lack of respect for the game by Hudson as a whole. Players/coaches/parents all had a part in the chaos. Not sure what happens from here but this was out of control.
never said they did this past fall, but as U 13 last year, which doesn't matter now as those points gone. But in fairness the question was did SSC ever,BTW what is your point, if your team won fall and spring state cup wouldn't you hail them as champs of NJ ( like SDFC did last year )You say a fourth place middle of the pack finish among those teams is not doing well, then you are sadly mistaken.
BTW the 7th place finisher Beachside CT was in the regional final just the season before. You obviously have no idea what that north elite EDP flight is all about.
I agree with you. SSC are champs, no questions asked.
On a bright note, NJX only lost by 2 which is like a victory for them these days. Yet people keep paying for that great training. At what point does great training have to show itself on the field and result in a victory?
I also agree with above post that SSC deserves top spot.To the 2:55 guy above, It is painfully obvious you have some axe to grind with SSC. You can print all the standings you want, bash them all you want, it won't change the bottom line that they won both state cups. So as far as NJ teams go,and assuming you are from an NJ club this age group, then they are BETTER than your team.Your argument has no leg to stand on and you are coming across like a fool.If they beat you, cut your kid,you left club, or whatever your problem with them is, Get over It!
Actually I posted the standings, I was just answering the question. I too believe SSC is the top team. My son plays them from time to time, that is it.
Did anyone film the Hudson match? Who did they play?
Theirs always three sides to a story: your side, their side and the TRUTH.
Yep, no matter how you slice it, SSC has earned the bragging rights. At least for now. Enjoy it. as soon as you loose one , the bashers will pounce.
Sorry standings guy, thought you were the same as 10:58 above.
Hudson is actually doing pretty well in edp in 3rd place with 5 games played with 11 pts while pda is in 2nd with 7 games played and only 12 pts and in first place is YMS with 7 games played and 15 pts, 2 wins and Hudson is at the top & hasn't lost a game.
Congrats SSC! Very worthy state champs.Don't worry about the bashers, they are just jealous.
Now we know why YMS maybe bashing Hudson. Proud supporter of New Jersey soccer.
Great job SSC. You've done we'll. it only gets more challenging as you have the bullseye on your back. Time to prove yourself every match.
Hudson congrats. You may have a tough road ahead. Someone has a bone to pick with you and wants to envolve everyone.
Just to clarify the Hudson situation. Hudson was not out of control. Wish you would put your coaching staff on blast. How about the YMS coach crossing over to the Hudson side calling the coach an idiot after yelling at the ref. An then after the game calling one of the players an idiot as well. Not to say the other profanity that was said to that player by a YMS coach. Someone who is suppose to be a good example for the boys.
I think what the issue was is that you or your coach staff did not believe that Hudson was any competition. An where amazed that we came back to tie 4-4 with only 9 players on the field
Why did Hudson only have 9 players on the field vs yms
Both players got second yellow.
Agree with many of the above posts, SSC the consensus # 1 until they are dethroned.
Great job by SSC to win both NJ tournaments, but they relied on Howell beating SDFC in the fall and SDFC not entering this spring.
Last 5 games between SDFC and SSC. 2-1, 5-2, 4-1, 4-3, 4-2, 3-1.
With that said, they deserve to be the worthy representation for Jersey at the Regionals.
Hudson are a very good team also and only their coaches can explain why they chose the silverware over the challenge. Kudos to other teams for taking the challenge.
Hudson chose that route because they have no belief or control of their boys
Newsflash from the graveyard shift: SSC relied on itself to get to both finals.SDFC let itself down. It 's SDFC's problem they lost to Howell and then didn 't even enter this spring. Now why is that? Surely it's not that they feel they are above it? Or maybe team turmoil is having some internal problems ? Instead of rattling of previous scores (which have nothing to do with state cup results) , their concern should be with having enough good players to continue forward into next year. For all you know SDFC 's best days may sadly be behind them, while SSC 's better days lay ahead.
Agreed SDFC yesterday's news. SSC duplicated the double they pulled last year, so their turn for bragging rights and trips to regionals.
How about they are both very good teams. Really no argument that no one wants to play either.
Howell does not have a problem playing sdfc, beat them at state cup where it counts, and at other tournaments. Sdfc lover please post record vs Howell
Good point above, some teams match up better against others, Howell matches up well with SDFC but not well with SSC. SSC matches up well with Howell but not with SDFC. The bottom lime this year as was stated above, that SSC came through under the pressures of single elimination state cup tournaments and SDFC did not. Better luck next year.
Howell is a tricky team, they can beat almost anyone on any given day but can lose to almost anyone on any given day. No real consistency.
SDFC lover:Be careful posting strings of scores. NJX had a string of wins v SSC, with SSC winning only one game, but look what happened to that team. Take care of your own house so you are not next.
SDFC doesn't need to be careful, they consistently beat SSC and can back it up.
Hudson, what actions did your 3 players take to each secure a second yellow card? Verbal, aggression, what? What are the repercussions for a second yellow in EDP?
Every team needs to be careful in youth soccer. The attitude above is why SDFC will face major challenges in the years to come.Let's see if you are still backing it up at say U 16?
SDFC lover, you did need to be careful during your fall state cup run. Didn't back it up then, did you? What's your excuse for that? and why didn't you guys even enter spring state cup? Answer these questions before putting down any other programs.
Referees have advised me once that a double yellow warrants the player to be ejected of the current game he is playing. And he can play in the next league match? A direct red has the player sit out the current match and the next match. Also depending on the referee report a decision is made.
16 Yellows and finishing the game with 9 players = undisciplined. Hudson isn't developing soccer players they are developing delinquents. While the rest of this group will be playing at the age of 16, the players from Hudson will be in and out of Juvenile Detention Centers.
Not sure what referee gave you that information but he/she was wrong. 2 Yellows = a Red. In EDP, a Red Card = a minimum 1 game sit.
Post 10:05am uncalled for. You maybe the culprit of all this just by your comments. I've see parents make stupid comments during matches and this proves they say it. But here you can hide behind your computer and feel better about it.
I have seen Hudson play and the team is good. The blogger above just has the bone to pick with them and no one is following his lead? Sorry!
Agree with above, SDFC poster, clean up your own house before criticizing someone else. SSC talked a lot, but didn't put down anyone til you took pot shots at them. Respect all teams.
EDP rules:
Red Card sanction in a game will normally result in a one game
suspension of the player (or coach).
Note that referee Gamecards will be checked to
verify that proper Red Card communications and subsequent sit-outs were
properly processed.
Hey SDFC lover: While you were on here spouting off and listing your wins v SSC, the updated Got Soccer Rankings went up. With their state cup victory, the Falcons just " leapfrogged" SDFC into first place NJ, and 8 th nationally. POETIC JUSTICE, don't you think?
Great. Now SDFC will get extra points when they beat SSC as they always do.
off course it's great for you, you count your precious 300 pts ( that is if you beat them ) and they're laughing all the way to regionals with 5000+pts. You put them down and the joke's on you.
Not an SSC fan, but got to agree SDFG guy LET IT GO! You just coming across as a fool.
Sdfc should fix its internal problems first.. as an ex sdfc parent..kids leaving team due to teammates getting into fist fights at practice and being disrespectful to their coach. Plus their top few players leaving. They have bigger problems to worry than got soccer points.
Yeah, his next line will be how got soccer points are tainted and don't matter, but off course they were valid when his team was ranked # 1
Where would an SDFC player go? Ironbound?
Better players ( a couple ) to RBNY or other academy programs.
SDFC poster....where are you?
Don't worry, he'll be back soon, after he cleans the egg off his face.
Best of 5 series, SDFC vs SSC, who do you take? I will take SDFC.
Oh, let it go. 2 great teams who both had great U14 year! Congrats to both.
Yeah, let it go.Both teams are top of the heap. But best of five series? What a ridiculous soccer statement. The most anyone plays is a home and home tie. At least say that, so you don't come across as even more cluless. The above guy is right, now you have even more egg to clean off your face.
Home and home would be away and away for someone. Not sure why we are having this discussion, NJ Force is better anyway :)
NJ Farce wouldn't understand the concept of home and home. Each team has a home game and away goals are the tie breaker. Ever watch Champion's League? You are even more clueless than the SDFC guy.
It was a joke dope. Get over yourself.
As a few people argue over who is better between sdfc and ssc I was more interested in the Hudson information. Who did Hudson play that day? Were there really 16 yellows given? All to Hudson? What could possibly bring this on?
They all got A's in Thugganomics.
To 2:46 : sorry, thought you were serious and clueless, my error
Just not serious :)
When I first read about the 16 yellow cards I assumed they were over the course of the entire state cup tournament. They got 16 yellows in ONE GAME??? That's just absurd and they must have been playing thug ball. Face it, there is no way to defend a team that gets 16 yellows in ONE GAME... the trainer and coach should be ashamed.
Did any coach get a red card?
The 16 yellow cards where not only given to Hudson. 8 where give to Hudson which 4 of them lead to 2red cards. 4 where give to 2 YMS coaches which lead to 2 reds. An 4 to YMS players. Again I think the problem is that YMS is mad that they did not beat Hudson like the believed they would. I do not believe an respectful coach or parent would be on here call kids thugs and saying they are going to be in and out of juvenile detention center. Maybe that's where the coach from YMS learned to call a 14 year old player and idiot and other profanity. Grow up people.
Like most teams Hudson has developed its own character and they did it long before they ever played EDP. It is funny to see a whole new set of parents just discovering this now. I don't know anything about this Hudson game with YMS, but it IS a typical Hudson game. From the coaches to the parents down to the players Hudson is all about winning. Period. That explains a lot about how they play, scrimmage, why they choose lower state cup flights etc. Some of the other things that most people want to develop in youth players from organized team sports are really kind of secondary to them I think. Anyone who has followed this club for years...long before they were EDP would know that.
That said, I think the crack comments above are shameful. While I may not run a team the same way, their toughness and singular focus on winning adds some diversity and excitement to the sport and definitely presents a challenge for other teams. Make no mistake. Regardless of what you think of them, they are good. Really good. At their state cup win last spring I thought they could have given both of the super-group finalists a go. If you are playing them you best be prepared for a battle.
If there were 16 yellows given, it is safe to say everyone acted like idiots.
If the shoe fits Hudson, wear it don't defend it.
Actually it was 18 yellows and yes they were distributed between both Hudson and YMS. Do the math, has YMS ever had a situation like this? What will be done to ensure Hudson doesn't do this again? Yes, YMS did have coaches getting two yellows and will not be participating in the next game. Can the same be said for the other half?
Poor showing from NJ teams in the MAPS Cup. They tout this tournament as the #1 ranked tournament in the country. How come they can't get New Jersey's best teams there. You people from NJ are something else. You come on here all the time talking about how great your teams are. Give it a rest. They all are looking to play in 2nd rate tournaments to boost your GotSoccer rankings. Hudson, Marlton, PDA, SSC where are you? Scared to play the best teams in the region?
Maybe you should go to Hudson's next match and make sure the red carded players don't play. It seems like you really have a concern. Can it be because you are on top of the standings and you don't want Hudson to gain any ground on you.
Give it a rest.
The # 1 rated MAPS Cup was not originally a memorial weekend fixture and was moved to that date as many NJ teams had already planned for elsewhere. On the longer weekend many NJ teams like to travel out of state just like you are doing. SDFC, SSC, Ironbound and others face top region I competition on a weekly basis in EDP, and have faced NV Arlington, Bethesda, BAYS etc at out of state tournaments. I am sure you will meet NJ teams at regionals and other tournaments and see that they are quite good.
Not Ironbound, they don't deserve to be in this conversation anymore.
Ironbound can guest players and be a little better.
The organizers of this event did not get word out of the change in date in time for many in- state teams to alter their plans.SDFC regularly faces high end teams at many top notch events. SSC chose to go to Ma.that weekend in hopes of facing some New England teams they may see at regionals in Rhode Island.They did face # 1 nationally ranked Va. team at Jefferson Cup and played to a hard fought 2-2 draw, so don't think our top in state teams shy away from competition.
SDFC and SSC can hold their own with anyone out of state at U 14. Not saying they'll always win, but they will provide a good competitive match.
The SSC Jefferson 2-2 tie was indeed a good game.
Yeah some of our teams are just doing exactly what you are doing, going out of state for some new teams and new surroundings. You'll find that while we go at each other on this forum, we'll certainly band together when the out of state rednecks come on here and put us down.
AND our powerhouse BOCA will be there!
You can take Hudson out of the hood, but you can take the hood of the them...
Enough. Hudson is a sound technical team that has made many strides. You should fear playing them.
Why fear them? If they are a good team then I would like to play them as the more good teams you play against the better you get. If however, they are fearsome in the tactics and don't play the game the way it should be played I have no interest in playing them. Win at all costs will help these kids to play H.S. soccer and that's about it. We all know how bad H.S. soccer can be...
Sorry, not what I meant. Fear as in they are a good team.
Delco looks to have more teams playing that you don't normally see. Also, looks like Maps Cup has Monday championship games rather than getting them over on Sunday.
Havin Monday finals is just so tournament gets an additional day kickback from the hotels. It's all about $$$$
The Nedham Tournament in Mass same thing Finals on Monday. Just what I need is to drop another $200 on this soccer stuff. May be rooting for a team loss to save the $$ and get home on Sunday and hit the lake.
All about the $$$$
Don't play if you don't want to pay.
Delco has Monday Championship games also.
Has soccer tapped into every opportunity to make money?
no. one frontier left, but i heard pda is having powder blue diapers made up for new U 3 teams they want to form.
Now that's a funny post!
Scores show NJX lost again. Do they ever get tired of losing? What are the feeding these parents that still make them pay for failure?
They buy into it believe me. You might be surprised to hear how many experts they have on the parent side always blaming the ref. Reality is they have little talent and those that are known to be good are very over rated. They should be removed from Edp as they can not compete
NJX lost again, so what? What do you get out bashing them? Your lives must be awfully miserable.
seriously...let the nix discussio go...it's been 2 yrs since they were even relevant
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