All went downhill with SSC once they took on the NJ Nomad. Moves from team to team in hopes of stardom. Funny how every team that family moved too got worse with the addition.
Most of it stems from the favourtism of certain players with the revolving door with Redbulls, Daddy's influence with management and coach whose behaviour drives colleges away. I know who you are talking about and it's the parents, one left and one remains rostered. They are Queen's court when it comes to drama.
Their are favorites everywhere. If a coach believes a player can help him win, for the most part they will take that player. The coaches all talk a big game but push come to shove the win/loss record is what attracts new business to them. No coach is going to drive college coaches away, if that was the case very few players in NJ would be playing in college based on how the coaches behave.
Speaking of behavior, Holmdel plays Marlboro tonight in a revenge game.
Should be a good match, both good teams. Where is it being played?
Lots of state cup games this weekend, hope you have turf.
EDP has Marlboro 2 Holmdel 1. Assuming that is correct, the score would indicate a close match. Any insight?
Two good teams. Both had chances. Refs were questionable but seemed to wear orange underwear
Wall wins and moves on. I know, MOSA is your comeback
Matchfit why don't you say you pulled out of the first schedule game last season vs SSC, all because it was to windy....matchfit you are a bunch of crybabies.. you only want to play when it's favorable to you..you complained last year when you lost to Marlboro saying the grass was to high..big crybabies
I would say MF is doing just fine for themselves Too team in NJ that no one wants to olay
The crybabies now have 18 D1 commits. Congrats to the latest UPenn commit. I would name the rest of the schools, but I'm sure you already know them. Good luck to all at the next level.
I don't and why do you think anyone cares? Some of your players get to play D1. Good for them, it's what they worked hard for and paid plenty. Those players are moving on. Their coach just stays in the same place. Please stop being so self obsessed!
I think it is great that MF has so many D1 commits. For those of you that play them you know they are a very good team with some very skilled players. You might have also noticed that they may or may not be better then your son and that the main reason they get the D1 exposure is because their coach WORKED to put them in the right places at the right times and made the proper calls. If you think your son is as good as some at MF that are playing D1, and your son is not, well you might have a point. Maybe your coach should have done something, done anything. These college coaches do listen.
Playing for uPenn is not a big deal.. they are a crappy team that most top 3 div colleges would beat..great school.. not a great soccer program
Nice how misfits change the conversation quickly
Did you mean matchfit
Well, I wish my son could play on the crappy UPenn team.
Looked up MatchFit on gotsoccer, as expected they are doing very well and rarely lose. Just lost to NJCSA Marlboro but that was 1 vs 2 so I am sure that can go either way. Personally I hope all of the players that are qualified to play in college get a chance to do so. I played D3 and we played 2 D1 teams every year. We won some, lost some over the years but they were always close and the difference was not what you might think.
You must be tool talking like that about UPenn. Who cares about how good the team is. At this point, it is all about the college/education. Where is your kid going? LOL. BTW, I am not a Match Fit parent.
Why would you find it funny that someone is going to a less prestigious school then UPenn? Lets take a leap here, your son does't go to UPenn or any other Ivy school. Do you laugh at him?
Why do you say it's all about the education? Maybe playing quality soccer is equally important to some kids.
You are a moron
Some of you are really this dumb? They play soccer because they love the game. It helped some get into schools that maybe they would not have gotten into otherwise. Now they start all over again and fight for playtime, some will get it others will not. While all of this is going on they will be working towards the end goal...........getting a job.
NJCup sweet 16NJCSA Marlboro vs Excel RasenNot sure who Excel Rasen is, where they play out of or anything. I think they are a newly formed team which could be dangerous if they put a team together of all stars. Marlboro is the #1 ranked team in the state and country so I have to believe they are stronger and will choose Marlboro to win this game.SJEB 99 Academy vs Wall EliteSJEB is a strong 99 team while Wall is a mid level 98 squad that has added some players. Wall will have the size advantage, SJEB will have the skill level needed to knock off Wall in PK'sHolmdel NJX vs Mainland UTDMainland UTD has had an easy ride so far and this will be a punishing defeat. Holmdel is too talented to allow this to be a close game.TSF academy 98/99 vs East Brunswick UTDTSF has a nice track record and East Brunswick shouldnt stay close in this one, but somehow I see a close game. TSF 3-1TSF Academy 99 vs Cedar Stars 99Cedar Stars is a dark horse in this tournament to win it all and TSF just doesnt have what is needed to win this game. CS will win 4-1Stronghold Falcons vs Go Soccer WembleyBlowout city. SSC will not take this seriously and if past performance means anything they will have players missing for no legit reason. Yet, they will win handily vs the Go Soccer team that doesnt even know how they are still playing.SJEB 98 Academy vs Toms River NewcastleAt first sight SJEB should have no issues here but Toms River has a history of hanging tough and I wouldnt be surprised if this was closer then people might think. SJEB will pull it out.STA 1998 NPL vs Hudson UTD With the top STA team in this age group knocked out this is STA's last hope. Hudson will win this game and move on to play SJEB.
That is a solid post and pretty accurate in the sweet 16. Prior to that post, 1/2 of the Freshman class won't even see the pitch thier first year and the other half may tip 100 minutes played. Then figure that only 2-5% of the freshman or so will still be playing as a senior.
Wall will not lose, big and skilled for those that don't know.
If your toe pokers run thier feet as much as you run your mouth you might have not have to get to Pk's.
Why do you call them toe pokers?
in prior postTSF Academy 99 vs Cedar Stars 99Cedar Stars is a dark horse in this tournament to win it all and TSF just doesnt have what is needed to win this game. CS will win 4-1Result Cedar Stars 99 5-0 over TSF Academy 99As much as I predicted a 4-1 win for CSA I am still a bit surprised at a 5-0 result. CSA may have gone form a dark horse to Stallion after this one.
Any reports from that game? TSF is good team. Seems crazily lopsided but that happens. Curious to hear what the game was like.
Cedar stars coach used to coach SDFC 98 boys...he's a good coach with good players but to say cedar stars now is a stallion in the race might still be a reach. They still need to get through strong 98 teams including SSC ((if they show up)) and most likely SJEB or STA....those matchups will be interesting to say the least.
Do you think there is a difference between a 98 team playing a 99 team? 99's can still have seniors on their teams too. I guess it is hard to gauge because they do not play one another anywhere else.
Good question. I would say it would depend on the team. There could be a bit of a size and maturity difference but overall a 99 team should be able to compete with a 98 team. IMO
Competing vs 98 and 99s will be different experiences depending on different teams strengths and weaknesses. I'd say 99s can absolutely compete and will be hungry to prove a point against the older guys and the older guys may even take them lightly...every game will be different but I'd still give the edge to the 98s To big brother the 99s
1 more day until Wall proves it again.
Prediction:SJEB 98 Academy vs Toms River NewcastleAt first sight SJEB should have no issues here but Toms River has a history of hanging tough and I wouldnt be surprised if this was closer then people might think. SJEB will pull it out.Result:SJEB 98 1-0 win over Toms River Newcastle. Result = prediction.
2 for 2 Mr predictor. Tonight you will be wrong, Wall will win tonight.
Me predictor you are wrong. Wall 5-0 That SJEB team is supposed to be good? Anyway, onward Wall, more teams to slay
Just kidding mr predictor. Wanted to see if anyone would bite. You were still wrong but not to that final score. I have been saying for a few weeks now that Wall is underappreciated and are a much better team then anyone gives credit too. Has a few really top level players and many good to very good players on it. Excellent coaching and has added some key players now. Again I say do not sleep on Wall. SJEB was a decent team but really the better team won and I think even SJEB would admit that to be true. ONWARD WALL!
Wall winning isn't a great surprise. Above average 98 beat a good 99.
I missed one, Wall with a victory over SJEB academy 99. 2-1 so far with the predictions, congrats to Wall with what seems to be an upset.
Look at Wall doing its thing. I see an upset blooming on the horizon! Marlboro (NJCSA) whatever you call yourself now, you better watch out, that is, if you beat Excel.
Of course anything can happen but if you are looking at past performance Marlboro plays thoroughbreds while Wall has beaten one good 98 team, Marlton. Is that enough to go on to say that they will beat Marlboro? To your point we do not even know if they will play Marlboro yet. Marlboro is ranked the #1 team in the country, they got there by winning games. Wall from what I can tell is playing well against average teams. I would be very surprised to see a Wall victory if this even materializes.
The new kids on the block against the number 1 team in the nation. It has the makings of a good game; if it happens.Good luck to both!
Wall is not a team worthy of a new kids on the block title. This team has been around since U8, ok some different players I am sure but not a new team in any sense. They have no chance of winning a state cup, none, zero. They can win a game on any day but complete the whole tournament no way.
Never say never. New players = new results.
Why do they have 0 chance? Have you seen the team play? Are their uniforms not fancy enough? Do the families not pay enough in fees? Are the coaches not up to your standards?
Yes, uniforms are the reason. I dont know what they pay and the coaches are reputable so it has to be the uniforms.
The coach of the 98's is an excellent coach. He's on the coaching staff at Monmouth University.
Wall HS soccer had a good season and some of those players are on the club team so you never know
Yes, let's bring in HS soccer to the equation now. Hey, everyone is saying you never know but no one is saying they will.
Congrats to Wall but there are other teams in NJ you know.
Finally a team is being talked about that is not ranked in the top 5 and someone is questioning it. There are a lot of good players on the teams ranked 20-30, is it Wall's fault that those are the teams they are scheduled to play? I would welcome more of these teams to come on here and give their opinions and share thoughts.
My son was on a very good team that was ranked in the 30s and they came really close to beating the #1 ranked team in the state cup a few yrs. ago The score was 1-0 and the #1 team scored on a goalie era. I know that any team could be very strong no matter the ranking because some teams haven't collected the pts. Maybe they're new, maybe they don't go to lots of tournaments, maybe they're not playing in the top flights of EDP where you earn the most pts. An established team is keeping their pts. for a year and the roster most likely has changed so I don't see how their ranking is accurate.
Ok so we are back to the points again. Let me start with this, I don't believe anyone has said that no team can ever lose so get rid of that argument. Now to your points.collected points. You do not collect points, you earn points. You earn points by beating teams that are ranked higher then you are. Beating up on weak opponents does nothing for you when it comes to points. So #30 would very quickly rise if they did in fact win games against a better team.tournaments. In order to gain points in a tournament you need to win or at the very least come in 2nd or 3rd. Again that would mean that you won your games and you earned those points. If you play in crappy tournaments you play crappy teams and earn crappy points.Top flights. If a team consistently beats the better teams or teams better then they are, they move up flights. If your team has not moved up flights that is because you did not earn it, meaning you didnt win those games.Keep the points for a year. That is true across the board, but it is more painful to those teams that won a big tournament and then the next year they dont win it. Those teams can lose 3000 to 5000 points. That is a big hit and it allows those lower ranked teams a chance to make their move. If you didnt win your games and tournaments you didnt make your move. You need to win.Turnover. There is as much turnover and change on the bottom level teams as there is on the upper level teams. Why do players tryout for the top teams? Visability. Which is something a 30th ranked team can not provide. Again, no one is saying #30 cant beat #1 but if the teams played 100 times how many times would # 30 win? One? Two? I dont know but I do know it would not be alot. Moral to the rankings, you must win to advance. If you don't win you don't deserve to advance.
I am in a situation where I have two sons that play soccer. One is on a top 5 team, one is on a mid level team at best. I have the chance to watch both play and trust me when I tell you, there is a huge difference. No the parents on the mid level team don't see it and they truly do believe that this team can compete with the top teams. I see them all play, they cant. The boys know it, the parents do not. The coaches know it, the parents do not. I have learned to take each team for what they are, a game for me to watch. That is it. The players get out of it what they want which is enjoyment and fun. Lets just leave it at that.
12.29You're wrong about having to come in at least 3rd in tournaments to earn pts. A team can get into quarter finals, which is 8th place and earn pts. Same with EDP flights. EDP gives out pts. for showing up. Once a team has those points from the prior season, they're placed in a high flight again where they will again collect pts. for coming in 5th place. I think got soccer pts are a joke.
even so, so can every other team earn those points. So why hasn't your team earned them? NOT WINNING
You all are making good points. The gotsoccer system is a guide, nothing more. It also is the most accurate guide we have. If you have a top 5 team play a top 20-25 team the top 5 team will win almost all of the time. I think most would agree to that. If that is agreed upon then the gotsoccer rankings do work.
What's up with mainland untd? Anyone see the game with holmdel? This age is so weird. Not saying mainland is not good--I know nothing about them--but it just seems like teams with very good profiles like holmdel I guess, may just not show up on any given occasion. Like I said, I don't know if that's what happened but a 5-0 defeat seems pretty bad. Congrats to mainland though.
That is really the result? Inputted wrong maybe?
Case in point. Got soccer rankings are not accurate.
Someone will verify this I assume.
Holmdel loses 5-0? Is that true?
Must be a misprint. Mainland is a 99 team. Doubt they would wax holmdel by a 5 goal shutout. Unless holmdel was playing like 2 men down.
Why can't it be. A 99 can't beat a top ranked 98? Brainwashed
Brainwashed? Hardly. Just seems like a stretch that a mid-level 99 team would beat a top 98/99 team by a 5 goal shutout. Unless there were extenuating circumstances of some kind. I guess it's possible that it could just happen, but would qualify as a real shocker I think.
A good team is a good team. Everyone is so conditioned to got soccer rankings. Try thinking outside the box. The # of tournaments a team enters is directly related to rankings. The amount of business a club gives EDP is related to rankings. All in? Your teams are placed in higher flights.
unfortunately in U.S. youth soccer a "good team" isn't necessarily a good team. what i mean is that I agree with you about how ranking reflect circulation of $ between clubs, leagues, and tournaments. so, yeah, in a sense, the rankings aren't real--but actually they do become real because the entire structure of us youth soccer is built on this paradigm unless you start talking about academies. so at the club level, those clubs who gain access (can pay) to the top tournaments do actually gain the opportunity to play against the most highly trained players and teams that are largely composed of players who want to play in college at a high level. So these teams and players do gain a competitive edge it would seem. It's pay to play. Not pretty, but that's how it is. So the nice ideal that rankings are just about money is both true and false--that's because us youth soccer is all about valuing the money of wealthy suburban families, with some super-talented lower income kids thrown in at the highest levels of club if they are fortunate enough to get financial assistance ...Seems different at academy level. Although many academy kids do come from wealthy suburban backgrounds--due often to the fact that they have benefited from expensive personal training at younger ages to prepare them for academy.
Full of shit. Any top team would take that low income too player and not make them pay. Hell they would drive them to games. Right holmdel
Some might, most won't. Part of the point is that these elite clubs really don't have to make that effort so much because high level US soccer is defined at the earliest ages by those who can pay and those who can afford to give their kids the extra training and acces to all the supposedly elite gatherings of select odp style markers of success--so that the "best" US players at the club level tend to be the best off financially. This isn't just happening in soccer, by the way--basketball too. Increasingly those college scholarships are going to middle classKids. There is a whole level of youth athletic preparation that is happening outside of team structures and that is most readily open to those who can pay for it. This isn't entirely and absolutely the case, but it's a real factor.
Yeah. All those rich privileged kids at Kentucky
the best youth players are where the money is. East coast and west coast and that's where parents are willing to pay the most dollars.
So no holmdel explanation of the mainland game?
Almost final 8 for state cup:Marlboro (likely to arrive) vs. WSCMainland untd. vs. TSF 98/99CSA 99 vs. Stronghold (likely to arrive)SJEB 98 vs. STA 98Predictions?
STA was very luck to get past Hudson I heard.
Heard from who? A Hudson parent I bet. The better team prevailed over a talented but fairy undisciplined opponent. On to face sjeb.
Prediction is Marlboro vs. tsf in one semi and CSA vs. STA in the other. Marlboro meets CSA in final and CSA wins it all.
Cedar stars lost 5-0 today to Rancocas Valley. Care to explain
Just a fluke but why are there so many flukes lately? Must be recording errors.
CSA is in Dallas right now--in the finals of Dallas cup. Is that where rancocas valley is playing?
So mainland was fluke too?
CS wasn't a fluke it wasn't the right CS team. Mainland is inputted wrong
Got it. So holmdel did win.
CSA was in dallas cup but not in finals, not even quarter finals.Mainland defeated holmdel fair and square
Not sure what info you are going on but CSA is in finals of u18 division of Dallas cup vs. baltimore Celtic
wow good luck CSA! It would be great to have a team from NJ win.
No one will stop Cedar Stars. They will represent NJ at nationals. Too strong and too talented
Yeah, CSA is bomb squad but it's kind of surreal because they have a good deal of international players because they are basically a Benedict's varsity team. Beautiful to watch them play but it's almost like they aren't a real NJ club team. Not sure how I feel about the international players presence for club soccer, or high school for that matter. Wonder how much the Patterson scandal might impact Benedict's.
With one small exception. The team they brought to Dallas isn't the team they play with all year.
3 teams left that seemingly no one really knows much about.Excel, I don't even know where they are fromMainland, winning 5-0 over a top 98 team is impressive so they must have done somethingCedar Stars, have always been decent but they have really put together an impressive run.
So did anyone witness the mainland 5-0 trouncing of holmdel?
Holmdel is always on here so the fact that they nave not defended themselves is interesting. A top level 98 getting beat that badly by a 99 is almost unbelievable. Maybe Mainland has loaded up with different players this year. Maybe they have a lot of turnover from last year and have created a south jersey allstar type team. Any team that can beat Holmdel 5-0 is a scary scary team.
That's what I'm saying. Odd that no Holmdel folks have commented . . . I guess it's possible that maybe Holmdel was playing short handed. 5-0 is certainly a big deal result though.
Holmdel was missing some players. Players were on vacation and one was ineligible to play this game.
That's too bad for Holmdel. Mainland must still be a quality team though. Noticed they beat one of the STA teams also.
Boo Hoo. You have over 20 on your roster Holmdel, if you are a top team play those players and prove it.
For what it is worth Holmdel lost some key players from last years team. They also added new players but in the U19 age group you just do not get the same dedication level that you did in U18 and prior. These players know if and where they will be playing in college and these games are not much more than just another game to them. The 99's are still going through the recruiting and evaluation period and it can show on the field.
Holmdel had 1 sub to start game vs mainland. Field was horrendous. Spring break vacations. Goalie was on crutches all week. A kid played a full 80 who had been sick all week. An injury occurred so no subs for 35 minutes. If you want excuse there you've got them now so chew on them all you want. Bottom line is It was a fluke of a game. Credit to Mainland though they came out ready to play on the night and got the job done with authority. They are a good team, don't sleep on them.You didn't hear us crying about the loss on here but you all want to know so It sucked but it's over and we're gonna move forward and keep doing what we do and try to play attractive soccer and win games.Haters gonna hate
5-0. 5-0. 5-0. That is a big number
A loss is a loss...
Thanks to 10:14 for the report on holmdel/mainland game. It really is a weird age for club soccer. Seems like teams are barely putting enough players on the field and in some cases don't even hold training sessions that regularly. Would be great if they could create some kind of distinct "heading to play in college" division that could sift things out so that the players who want to train in play intensely to prepare for serious college play could do so.
Dont hear you crying? What exactly was that post about then? You lost, it happens. In the end will anyone really remember or care?
Looks like SSC put enough guys together to win 6-0
Good work SSC, although you have to admit you could have won with 6 or 7 players in total.
SSC vs. CSA should be interesting. CSA just won Dallas cup for 1999 division and are beating teams soundly. They will likely win the state cup I think.
I am not so sure that it will be interesting at all. This CSA team is not like others. Have you seen St Benedicts play? This is not your run of the mill put together team. I do not see this particular Stronghold team staying close. Yes, CSA is clearly the favorite to win it all.
Like I said. I think CSA will win it all. Still, I feel that the game vs.ssc could be interesting in that it will be the first time CSA will go against a somewhat legit 98/99 team. From here on in the matches look interesting do CSA. SSC, either sjeb or STA, and either tsf or Marlboro. All legit 98/99 teams.
Are there rules in us club soccer about percentages of club rosters that can be international players?
I guess I dont know for a fact but come on. Dont these players go to school here, have residency here. how is this an issue.
Actually a good question about international players. I'm sure CSA has it under control, but I've heard that the process for getting carded through us club for foreign-born non us citizen players is not simple.
Define not simple. Show some proof. I know you can't
Yeah. I KNOW you can't! I'm the echo of the simpleminded fool called 9:36.
Whatever. It doesn't really matter does it? Maybe it's unfair that a team is stacked with great international players but isn't it wonderful to have that high level of play in the mix?
Are you seriously asking if the CSA players are legal to play? How else would they be carded? Why would it be unfair that they have many international players? MF has players from all over the state as does Marlboro to some extent. Do you think that Holmdel has all players that live in Holmdel? This is not something new it is just the way it is at the older age groups. The best players want to play together and the midlevel teams take the leftovers from those disbanded teams.
Are you seriously suggesting that NJ players are carded in the same way as international players? Dumb argument. Someone asked about carding procedures.That's all.
No, the question was brought up because someone felt they were not legal to play. They may not have said it, but that is what they were after.
US Club carding only requires a valid document (Birth Certificate, Passport, etc...) that shows your date of birth. So if you are an international kid living in the US all you have to do is show a copy of your passport.
Ummmm, so it is that easy. Not such a dumb argument anymore.
Any Marlboro updates? I wouldn't be surprised to see an upset here.
No score is reported, anyone know? Would be a nice shakeup if Excel wins. Not out of the question, it is a team with a lot of HS state championship players on it.
NJCUP has it reported 4-0 NJCSA Marlboro
Ok, and with that result we now have the Elite 8. Good luck to all the teams that are still standing.Of the 8 remaining 6 are 98’s and 2 are 99’s. Of the 99’s CSA is a favorite to win it all and Mainland United as a relatively unknown dark horse. Most of the 98 powers have moved forward with Wall the lone Cinderella story.SJEB 98 vs STA 98NPLSJEB is #4 in NJ and has won their 3 games 9-0, 3-0, 1-0, although they have not played a top team to this point and were heavy favorites in each of those games. STA 98 NPL #8 in NJ won 4-0, 3-1, and pk’s. This is a strange matchup because SJEB has really not proven much yet and STA will be their first true challenge yet STA has not played great teams yet and have moved on but not by big scores. It took PK’s to get away from Hudson and they should not have been in that situation. I give the edge to STA in this one 3-1.NJCSA Marlboro vs Wall NJCSA Marlboro is #1 in NJ and has wins of 4-0, unreported, 4-0. Wall is #34 in NJ and was wins of 3-1, 2-1, and 2-1. Marlboro will be the favorite in this game and has not allowed a goal in this tournament while scoring many. Marlboro is the reigning NJ Cup state champion and also went on to win the National Cup last year. They are a team filled with college bound players and will be a tough match for Wall. Wall has a very impressive win over Marlton and also beat SJEB 99 who is also a reigning NJ Cup champion. Wall too has some college bound players but I feel that Marlboro will be too much of a complete team and will win this 4-1.CSA 99 vs StrongholdCSA is #1 in NJ and has wins of 6-1, 6-0, 5-0. Stronghold is #7 in NJ and has wins of 3-0, 1-0, and 6-0. Stronghold has long been a super power in NJ soccer and has some of the best players available. CSA is newer to the scene but these boys have chemistry as many play together not only on club but also in HS. CSA is coming off an impressive Dallas Cup Championship and has destroyed all teams in the NJ Cup. Stronghold has a big win over Go Soccer, but that tells me nothing. CSA will continue to roll with a 3-2 win.Mainland United vs TSF 98/99Mainland is #17 in NJ and has wins of 6-0, 2-0, and 5-0. TSF 98/99 has wins of 2-1, 3-2, and 1-0. TSF is a solid team but has not put up the totals expected against the competition they have played. They will now go up against a Mainland team that has not allowed a goal and has a very impressive 5-0 win over a real good Holmdel team. Mainland HS did win a group 3 championship so there is talent there. I am going to ride the hot pony and take Mainland over TSF 3-1
I am not surprised Marlboro won but I do know some of the players on Excel and they are good players. I will admit I am a bit surprised at the final score, I thought it would have been more competitive, actually thought they had a chance to win.
Nice predictions to the above poster. Interesting pick with CSA over Stronghold. Stronghold has been a longtime force and CSA is the new kid on the block. Stronghold won a national championship 2 years ago so I think they will hang on to this one.
If CSA is playing with the team that won at Dallas Cup there is no way Stronghold win.
How would you know this. Were you in Dallas?
I have been there and I know the quality teams in that tournament. It's very impressive to win your division and if you check out CSA's scores, they had an easy time doing it. SSC is a good NJ team but CSA is a good international team.
With the level of players on this CSA side SSC does not stand a chance. There are a few CSA players who were recruited to play there and represent their country on a national team level.
Everyone is already crowning CSA, just like everyone was saying SDFC would crush SSC last year semi state cup. Ended up Ssc crushing SDFC..it's state cup game anything can happen.. CSA is a newer team with some good players added. SSC has the experience has been in the cup final for the last 5 years.
SSC will not lose this game. Don't fall into the hype trap.
How would anyone know what players actually participated in Dallas? They could have had 3 players not normally on the team and that could make a big difference. Agreed, the Dallas Cup scores were very impressive indeed, but only CSA would know who played. I am sure they are a very good team, maybe the best team money could buy but as a 99 squad and new to the scene there are very few people that can actually say they have seen them play.
I think that some people on this list don't fully understand the level that the CSA team is playing on. This is a team of many high level international players who have been hand picked/recruited to play at Benedict's. Even though Benedict's did not have a great season this past year, it seems like these players have now gelled and are playing like the elite level team they were supposed to be. There is an individual offensive talent that may be headed to the Brazilian national team, and the rest of the players are superb. There are no holes in this team. This is soccer though and anything can happen, but I'd say the odds of them winning the cup are very high. Marlboro or TSF could match them in some phases of the game but there is the matter of the Brazilian attacking player that I don't think any team left in the cup will have an answer for.
Agreed that CSA is a very good team but why are you suggesting that only Marlboro and TSF are a challenge for them? Every good team can challenge them. Probably won't win but they can play a good match.
Do you think SSC HAS A LEGITIMATE chance.
Sure, there's a chance but SSC are the underdogs in the match.
If you look at their past performances TSF and SSC lose their fair share of matcheS. NJCSA Marlboro has lost 2 games in the past year, two! CSA loses games but everyone seems focused on the Dallas count. Is that the same team the play with when the lace them up normally? They are also 99's and although it isn't a huge difference it is still a difference. I wish them luck and would even go out to see premier level players play
TSF got pounded this weekend. They do not look like much of a threat, new players not meshing.
Not a lot of EDP scores posted this weekend. I see the TSF score and Marlboro beat Marlton 4-0. Any others?
MF had two wins and a tie this weekend and Holmdel went 1-1 with one game not recorded. MF won one game 10-2, in a regional league showing their power over teams out of state.
10-2? How bad was this team? A lot of strange scores this season.
CSA won 8-1 against the Elizabeth firebirds in the usys quarterfinal
They beat the Elizabeth Fireballs? That is a huge win!
To the Wall doubters we are approaching game time!
Mainland should handle TSF. They are up and coming team and even though they are a 99 team, it seems like they are playing more impressively right now. They have good talent and probably more hunger and fire than TSF. 3-1 Mainland.
Cant say I have ever seen either play but the 5-0 win Mainland had over Holmdel is perplexing. TSF scores have been spotty but they have always been a very good 2nd tier team, always banging on the big boys doors. I think TSF wins a close one.
To the Wall poster above, you still playing in this rain?
So did you play? Who won?
If Wall won, they would have already posted something at 6 am this morning!!!
Ok so I was wrong
TSF over mainland 1-0
Respectable for mainland, TSF's supposed to be an elite team. The score doesn't reflect that.
In a tournament where you lose and are out--any win is a quality win.
I don't know much about tsf or anything about mainland but that comment about judging how elite a team is based on margin of victory seems strange for soccer. Basketball maybe, but margin of victory in soccer? On all levels beyond rec and town soccer, goals are generally at such a premium that I can't see how that metric reflects much significance at all.
Really? Seems odd that you wouldn't know much about either team. They're discussed on this board all the time. I think everyone would agree that a 1-0 win is not a huge win by any standards. The score indicates that the teams are for the most part an even match.
Then most soccer matches are played between evenly matched teams, genius.
Kinda hard to break down soccer match based on score alone. That seems like an obvious point. Apparently TSF did what they had to to get to semis. Maybe someone who was at game can offer details. Marlboro vs. TSF should be good. Marlboro would seem to be favorite based on ranking but have these teams played each other in the past year?
TSF is a big underdog
How can that be? Can someone confirm score
Because CSA is a 99 and SSC is a 98 that is ALWAYS in the final 4
Final fourSTAMarlboroSSCTSF3 of four are always here. TSF new to the party
Well um, I think you will want to rethink this now."I think that some people on this list don't fully understand the level that the CSA team is playing on. This is a team of many high level international players who have been hand picked/recruited to play at Benedict's. . There are no holes in this team. there is the matter of the Brazilian attacking player that I don't think any team left in the cup will have an answer for."
CSA/ST BENEDICTS show that they are still a high school team that cant beat a top Nj club team..
Actually I see it a bit differently. CSA is a great team, Stronghold has been a great team and a NJ leader for many years. No reason to jump off that ship and they proved it again. For those over rated players that left, too bad we won't be playing you in the semi's and finals.
What has CSA ever done? They won the Dallas Cup with a team that was not their regular team. Other than that, anything else? Overrated team. Didnt say they didnt have talent, but they are very overrated.
St. Benedict's has always bent the rules with the HS team by playing their academy players. They probably brought some academy players to Dallas as guest players.
Did anyone see the game?
Yes people did
Good. Just checking.
Marlboro over TSF 3-2SSC over STA 2-0
SSS was dominant
Marlboro has given up 1 goal this season and none in the SC TSF is that good offensively? SSC will win 3-0 but it won't be that close. SSC is the much better team now.
Marlboro hasn't exactly gone through murderers row in D.C., and they only beat holmdel 1-0.
What is DC? When did they best holmdel 1-0?
Marlboro beat Holmdel in the state cup?
Looked at the NJYS state cup. Not much of a state cup this year, not many playing. Top 2 teams easily are MF and Marlboro, but they cant meet in the finals because the flighted them next to each other. Barrington, yes Barrington gets a bye and has the easiest draw of any team. I dont think it will matter though, according to gotsoccer they have never won a game. NEVER unless you count a beach game. So why would they even register for this? Their coach is listed as the same person who runs the state cup for NJYS.
Marlboro beat holmdel 1-0 in edp
Do you people just make up information? 2-1 was the score, really not that hard to look up. Still wondering the relevance though.
Semi and Final predictionsNJCSA Marlboro vs TSF Both have been top NJ teams for many years, TSF always knocking on the doors of the top 5 but not quite getting in. This will be the chance they have been waiting for. Marlboro is coming up on their 1 year anniversary of their last loss and has won a national championship along the way. Based on current scores I would give the edge to Marlboro. 3-1Stronghold vs STATwo teams that have been in the top echelon for what seems like forever. They play each other often and know each other well. Should be a very tight game and in the past STA has not been able to get over the semi final hurdle, I expect that to stay the same here. Stronghold wins 2-1 in OT.
Seem like sound predictions. Tsf seems to have trouble scoring and it will be hard for their defense to withstand marlboros pressure. Ssc and STA seems nothing if not evenly matched , so OT seems like a good bet there.
Heavy rain predicted. Are these games being played on grass or turf?
Someone brought up that Marlboro is coming up to one year without a loss. I looked at gotsoccer and it is actually true. Based on the levels of the teams they play I would have to think that they would lose a few times at least. Kudos to the coaching staff and players, must be doing something right.
Club teams that have players moving on to play in college, what would be considered a good number per team. My sons team has 2 players playing in college and the coach thinks that is a fantastic number. Do other teams have more, less? I know it will be different I am just looking for some insight on this.
The national average for HS players playing in college is 4%. Two from one team is good. Good luck to those boys.
Most boys who want to play in college are going to play at the bigger name clubs. Of course these clubs will have a higher percentage of their players playing in college but there are good, motivated players on many teams that can play in college.
So a team like Stronghold or TSF what type of numbers could they expect or get? Compared to a 30th state ranked team as an example?
Probably about 10 players from the bigger name club teams.
Not a bad question. I am surprised that there are not statistics specifically on this. If a club has a history of sending players to play in college I would think they could and would charge more. I really dont have a guess. I dont know what is standard but I do know that going through this with my oldest son there are many players that say they will be playing in college but dont actually do it. Some quit after one year and some just felt the pressure to say they were going to play but never actually went in early August. Some actually didnt even make the college team they bragged about. It happens.
Seems like one useful distinction in terms of last comment would be between players who are recruits vs. walk ons. Also might distinguish between D1 and D3 recruits.
I think a lot of kids are very capable of playing in college but when they seriously consider the commitment and dedication demanded of student athletes they don't want to commit.
Yes I did a poor job with that. I know D1 and D3 players that at the last minute decided not to play. I also know quite a few D3 players that were as good if not better then some of the D1 players. I also know people that went to a d1 program and were told they will never play but if you want to be on a team you can practice only. I didnt consider walk-ons as part of my equation. absolutely anyone can be a walk-on and I dont consider that to be something that was earned by the player. Take the local colleges as examples. Ramapo, TCNJ, Stockton all have many players walk on and tryout. Many believe they are on the team by merely trying out. Of course they are not. Monmouth, a very good D1 program still has student tryouts every year.
You are wrong. Many kids THINK they can play in college nut only the few do. Comparatively to number playing now
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