Please clarify last point.
How many kids do you know that run around town saying "College X wants me to play but I dont want too"? These are the same players you know are not that good to begin with but they want to feed their ego. It is not easy to be recruited. Only the Academy's and the very top club teams truly have coaches looking at them and even so there seems to be very little rhyme or reason to it. If you want full exposure to recruiting the Academy route is the only way to go. That doesnt mean you wont get recruited if you are on a club team but you will have many more options the academy route. I have 2 sons, and I have seen both paths over the past 3 years and it is night and day. The college coaches dont have to think when they recruit an academy player, they know he is committed, they know he is used to training all the time, he is much easier to justify giving money too. I will tell you this however, it does not mean they are better then a club team player but % tell you they are.
Thanks for the thoughts. Is at least one of your sons playing in college now? It would be interesting for those on this list who have sons going to play in college, to hear some perspectives from parents and/or young men who have recently been through/seen the experience play out.One thing to add to what you are saying is that, yes, there are the academy and very few top tier club players who are actively recruited--and here I'm talking about D1. But it seems like for a significant part of D1 rosters, especially at the schools who are not perennial powers, coaches rely as much on players reaching out to them--so that "recruits" are often self generated. I mean they have to be high level players of course, but I guess I'm just saying that with soccer, it's not like a majority of players on a roster are getting significant if any scholarship money and few are generally sought out and recruited vs. reaching out to staff and staying on their radar over the junior and first part of senior year--a process through which they become recruits and eventually commits.
Why do they schedule state cup semifinal and final for grass fields? It's not like early May is a particularly dry time of year. If the rain stays as steady as they say for the next 24 hours then I don't see how the semifinal games get played tomorrow night. Sad.
Yes, I do have a son playing in college now and the dropout rate from the team has been a few a year. All because they assumed they could play at the next level and they couldnt or didnt get the chance too. Many freshman are brought in but no walkons have made my sons team in the 3 years he has played. He is playing at a D3 school that does recruit and they seem to focus on the recruited players.
Yeah the field situation with state cup is odd. Seems like it is always an issue from what I can recall. Weather, field conditions in general. When I heard it was in a Brunswick, I just assumed it was East Brunswick at that Heavenly Farms place. Which is super nice and turf I think. Why have the semis and final at a city park on grass fields?
MONEYI am sure they were cheap or maybe even free.
Match day. Should be two good games. Marlboro a clear favorite but in elimination play, you never know what will happen. STA/SSC seemslike a toss up. Maybe we will have two down to the wire matches.
Marlboro a clear favorite??? Based on what ??
Just basing prediction on marlboro's high ranking and strong record. Who knows though? Not sure if those teams have played head to head recently. Maybe others have more insight.
Based on they win 80% of their games. You are either joking or you are lying to yourself about the facts. Marlboro is the clear favorite against TSF.
Well you were wrong. Yes TSF lost but it took pk's and we had every chance to win.
"The gotsoccer system is a guide, nothing more. It also is the most accurate guide we have."I think gotsoccer does at decent job of an impossible task. But I don't think they're the most accurate.http://youthsoccerrankings.us/This site is currently way off the mark in many age groups as the change to birth year has reeked havoc on the approach. But this will right itself over time. My point is that the math employed here is a more "accurate" approach to ranking teams.Here are the current NJ U19 top 10 as per gotsoccer:1 MATCH FIT2 HOLMDEL3 MARLBORO4 STRONGHOLD5 STA NPL6 SDFC RANGERS7 IRONBOUND SC PREMIER STRIKERS8 SJEB9 CAPE EXPRESS10 MANALAPANAnd here's Youth Soccer Rankings take on this:1 MARLBORO2 MATCH FIT3 STA NPL4 HOLMDEL5 PDA MESSI6 TSF7 STRONGHOLD8 SJEB9 MARLTON10 CAPE EXPRESSA number of similarities. But some big differences too. So you can make your own decision as to accuracy.
"The national average for HS players playing in college is 4%."http://scholarshipstats.com/soccer.htmlAs per the data found here, the percentage of HS boys who go on to play in college AT ANY LEVEL is 7.9% And they also indicate that 1.2% play at the D1 level. Another interesting number is that their percentage of foreign players in the NCAA (D1, D2 and D3) is 12.1%
And for anyone who's interested, I'll share my son's story.He's currently a senior and plays for an "elite" club team. Last year he visited a few D1 schools who had interest and was offered roster spots. In other words, they wanted him to come but didn't want to share any of their athletic scholarship money with him. Technically this would have made him a "walk on" at these schools. But getting an assured spot on a D1 roster is an accomplishment nonetheless. I suspect many D1 schools actually hold open tryouts for "walk ons". But I'm also pretty sure this is a formality as they'll usually have already filled out their rosters with non-scholarship players they've already scouted and met with.My son went in a different direction because he has a very well developed sense of the value of a dollar. He ended up picking a D2 school which offered better academic credentials than most D1's and a pretty significant chunk of scholarship money. He's not going for free, but half price ain't too bad at all.I'm thrilled for a couple of reasons. One is that I think his chances at playing time are significantly better and I know he'd be miserable riding the bench for a prolonged period. He might even get a decent amount of time as a freshman. But the biggest reason for my satisfaction is that he'll be able to go to school without borrowing money and will graduate without debt. So if I look at youth soccer from an investment perspective (which I NEVER did), the costs we've endured ended up being money well spent. Regarding academics, I think there are a lot of very good schools in this country and have long believed that the quality of one's education has a lot more to do with the student than the University.
Based on the Marlboro/TSF semi, I didn't see any significant talent difference or overall team effectiveness between the teams. In fact, TSF may have had more chance than Marlboro before pk's, and a stronger defense. I'd give the edge to Marlboro in the middle, and possibly a slight edge in goal--but maybe not. Really could have gone either way. If Marlboro is a #1 team than many are.
Both semis seemed balanced and intense. Saw more of the Marlboro tsf one, but it seems like any of the four teams could legitimately be champion. Would love to see more games between them.
Fair and balanced! Not sad!!
You say you watched the TSF Marlboro game and you say that TSF had more chances? They had one shot on goal and marlboro had possession much more of the play. TSF showed very well as a top team should have but I didn't see where they would scare you with goal scorers. Could TSF have won, yes, but that shouldn't be a surprise they played well and are a very good team. From what I saw of the SSC an STA GAME STA took it to them. Clearly was the better team on this day. SSC defense was suspect and broke Their star in the middle was invisible
STA IS STRONGER THEN PEOPLE GIVE CREDIT FOR. WILL WIN TODAY 2-1
Was prediction accurate?
Great great game. Both teams played with skill and aggression. Marlboro won in the end 3-2 and I would love to see this played again. Parents all good. Coaches all good. Players laid it out in the field. Well done STA and Marlboro
Agreed. Tough loss. Good win.
I guess another congratulations is in order for Marlboro. My son plays on a top NJ team and has never won a State Championship, to win multiple over a span of 4-5 years is truly a great accomplishment. I would have liked to see STA win one but Marlboro has built up a dynasty of sorts. My son has no chance to win the NJYS state cup as they did not enter but from what I can see not many teams did.
At this age group the NJYS bracket is not a good one. Many teams did not apply and even the best teams are all playing one another prior to the finals. It is set up for either Marlton or a non deserving team to be in the finals. So simple to do this right, but why should NJYS change their ways at this point.
It is odd that you would have two of the best teams in the state in the same bracket. Even more odd that you would have the Barrington team in the other bracket who is coached by the games commissioner for New Jersey Youth Soccer.
10:41 that is not odd that is a crime.
It is the penalty we get for only playing in one of the two state cups.
Penalty? Why would you be penalized? Does seem weird that the bracket came out the way it did but I think it is a completely blind draw. Am I wrong with this?
Best part of the weekend was watching the SSC coach lose. No one deserved it more.
Now the youth soccer lives are really coming to an end. Do you remember the early years when Holmdel NJX ruled the world? Literally could win a game by 8 goals every time. Then the U11-U14 portion where kids changed teams every day and teams merged to try and form the next great thing. New private clubs would come out of nowhere and promise the world (NJForce). Local clubs lost their best players and those teams turned into rec plus teams. Then we hit the "real" years, U15-U18/U19, where teams and players developed further and separated from the pack. Teams like MF, SSC, Marlboro, STA, SJB, Marlton, were always in the top tier and others such as Holmdel and TSF came in and out. If you look at the State cups since U15, have played 7 of them with one pending:Marlboro 4 State CupsMF 2 state cupsSSC 1 state cup with 3 runner upMarlton 2 runner upsSTA 1 runner upThat will for the most part show who has finished strong and there is still one more cup up for grabs!
Barrington will win the last one, mark it down.
Think there is any chance that the guys running ERL will start today or tomorrow to plan for the heavy rain that seems pretty much guaranteed for this weekend? Last year, with a similar forecast, they waited until Friday to make contingency plans. It was a disaster.
Be proactive MF. Make the call and have HBC come to your turf. Simple
Just hoping that 1 of the 12 people who read this blog might know someone at ERL and tell them to get busy.
What's wrong with playing a 60 minute game on a small sided field?
Regarding the ERL, did you get value out of it? Was the travel and money spent worth it since your whole team already knows where they will be going to college? Were all the games competitive? Did you join it for the players or the coaches ego?
League was not bad. Beats playing the same old teams over and over. Some good games some not so good. Nothing at all to do with egos, MF as a club is a member of ERL. All teams play in the league. 1 trip to VA and one to Kirkwood. Not a big deal. Team is just playing to stay in shape and they really like playing together and spending time together. Don't worry about the money, people spend their money the way they wish..
OK if you say so.
Highly recommend if you have younger kids that want to play in college. College coaches were all over at those 2 events.
Last ERL event my son's team was at in Virginia was filled with college coaches from all the divisions. There were even a couple of coaches (DI/DIII) in one of our regular season games up in New York.
What are you talking about. I never see coaches and I mean never
That's because your team doesn't go to the right tournaments and doesn't join the right right leagues.
Right tournaments? That is a joke, all we do is go to tournaments and the "right ones". Right league? The ERL good enough for you?
If you are really interested take a look at this link:http://regioni.usyouthsoccer.org/competitions/us_youth_soccer_region_i_eastern_regional_league_erl/
NJYS State Cup begins this weekend, weather pending.Excel Rasen Ballsport vs Hudson UnitedThis is the match we all have been waiting for. Two dynamic at best mid level teams going head to head to earn the right to play South Jersey powerhouse Barrington. Whoever wins this game will be in the semi finals as they will both beat Barrington. So let that sink in and now you know how pathetic this state cup is this year. I will go with Excel because I like their name better.Marlton vs Ironbound Will not be a close match, Marlton will win easily. This is just another stinker of a game in the upper bracket.
Funny stuff, yet sad.
College players who already left for there first year are back for summer, could change up results in the last portion of edp and state cup.
2or 3 kids returning from playing D3 soccer aren't going to change anything in State Cup. Who cares about EDP?
CSA. Now you know who rules
Not all D3 kids returning
What team are u talking about
Any kids who graduated HS and played in college should not be eligible to play on their old youth soccer team. There are u21 summer teams for college players.
Why? If they fall under the age requirement they should be able to play. What is your concern? For that matter what team actually has this occurring? With roster sizes at 22 and above this would just cause more playtime issues.
NJYS state cup will have Excel Ballsport, Hudson or Barrington in the semi finals. 3 below average teams and one of them will be in the state semis. Who created this bracket? Horrible, and it takes away from the entire tournament. I guess I now know why my sons team and so many others stayed away.
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The team people are questioning about bringing college players back is Ironbound. Ironbound played last year as a 97/98 team.
8.05My concern is it is not fair to take players back on a team who have already left the team just so a coach has a better chance of winning some meaningless tournament when there is a full roster of deserving players who have been there working hard all season. But it wouldn't surprise me because winning is what matters most in this business, forget about putting the best interests of the kids first.
Not fair? What makes you think they left the team? College players always play when school is done, their coaches want them too. If the current players are deserving as you say then why would they lose their play time? Best interest of the kids? If we were talking U14 then maybe you would have a point.
You don't know teenagers too well if you think there's a huge difference in the mentality of 14 and 18 yr olds.
U14 players should play, U18 fight for play time, do you think it is going to be handed to them in college? Maybe you cant understand, but a 14 year old would.
you're argument is ridiculous. Of course college kids have left their youth team. Are they paying to hold their roster spot? That spot has been taken. Yeah, their college coach wants them to play in the summer on a mens team. Their done with youth soccer. You don't sound like a parent, you're probably some coach who wants college kids on your team because maybe you can win and impress someone, I don't know who.
Your argument is that your precious son will no longer play because there will be BETTER PLAYERS available. That is called life, get better or step aside.
Spoken by a really wise youth coach.I;m sure your players admire and respect you. Tell me coach, if you tell your players that they have to earn playing time, why are you rushing to play some kid who hasn't been around all season? and who hasn't paid anything?
A lot of assumptions, a lot. The starters who earn play time do respect me, the players who have not earned it may have excuses that I understand. Can not make everyone happy, just cant be done.
Thats nice but you didn't answer my question.
I did answer your question, I told you that you assume a lot. If you fear for your sons playtime, that is not my issue.
Seems like an Ironbound parent is very upset.
I never mentioned my sons play time. You're assuming thats my issue. and you did not answer my question.
3rd party here, why else would you care if players rejoined the team. The only answer I can see (and looks like the other poster did too) would be your son's playtime. For what it is worth, who cares anymore.
Stronghold lost to Philly Copa? Surprising result to say the least.
Not surprised as SSC has diminished. Question is how many cards were handed out in that game?
What are you talking about. SSC was in the state cup semi finals and are the only team to beat Cedar Stars. Haters hate.
I do agree; playing time has to be earned. If you want to be a starter on that team, play like one and take playing time away from that college player.
You know what also has to be earned? Coaches have to earn respect from their players and no player on the team will respect a coach who wants to play a returning college player who hasn't been on the team all season. The coach just acts like nobody can question his decisions, but it's clear he only cares about winning.
ummmmmmmmmmm, this is a team of 18 year olds, what are they supposed to do wait for the oranges at half. You want to play, GET BETTER. While your coaches goal is winning yours seems to be whining.
NJYS 1/4 finals, congratulations to all that made it this far! :)Hudson vs Barrington-- in the least anticipated state cup game of all time, Hudson will win and Barrington will continue to never have won a game.Marlton vs FC Copa--Blowout city, Marlton will win easilyPDA Messi vs MFA--no issues here MF will take care of business and by halftime they will be looking for the exits.Marlboro vs Ironbound--in what should be the only competitive game of the day Marlboro should hold on to edge out Ironbound.
10.06Your comments just show how immature and rude some youth coaches are, You're the kind of idiot coach that customers want to avoid and I'm pretty sure that I can guess what club you represent. You don't care at all about the kids, only winning and always use caps when you post, everyone will think you're important.
7:50 Caps are used to focus on importance. What club is your guess, this should be comical. As a previous post pointed out, you do seem to be a bit of a cry baby.
My guess is the previous posts are all from the same very mean spirited club who I'm sure will go out of business some day. Every coach who has any integrity leaves. TSF All caps
Ok, so the coach at TSF didnt play your son the minutes you wanted. You do realize that on every single team there are parents just like you that complain about their son or daughters minutes. There are only so many minutes to go around, my suggestion would have been to play on a team that fits your sons ability.
One way to solve this is to be the coach/asst or team manager. There is always bias when a coach/team manager has a kid on the team. Their playtime is hardly ever affected.
True at U8 - U 13 maybe but after that age and in many instances prior any good team has a paid coach and all parents are relegated to the parent sideline. At U18 if you are still complaining about playing time, you are to blame. You have your kid on the wrong team based on skill level.
Everyone knows that many parents get preferential treatment for their kids. I have never known a coaches child to be benched and how about friends of owners? Back door deals are always on the table. Money talks.
At U18 that has all gone away. Ok, if you are talking about 2% of the players then you have a point but I would rather focus on the norm not the exception to it.
Before u18 are the most important years for a player. A club shouldn't pretend their business is player development when it's really maximizing profits. People catch on eventually and the business suffers from a bad reputation.
Hello, McFly, is anyone in there? It is a youth sport and it is all about $. Then the good one's move onto college where it is again about money, your tuition payments. Reputations come and go, go ahead and listen to a U11 parent right now and try to explain to them the facts of what will happen to their journey in the future. They will not believe you.
I would tell them that if their son is a talented,serious player, move to another country where player development is taken seriously because they're not going to find it here.
And u would know that when they are 5 or 6
What are you talking about? Who said 5 or 6?
So if not at a young age you would propose going overseas at what age? It is a ridiculous argument either way.
and why do you think that? Why do you have a problem with people having a different opinion from you? Many people agree that the US does not develop kids, they just want to play the big kids that will give them wins' late bloomers are overlooked. Many talented players want to train overseas,
Are you serious? Many means a large number or numerous. If you want exact. look up US youth players playing abroad.
I am with 8:51, what does many mean or now numerous? I can only think of two that did it. One it worked out for the other could not make a top teams youth roster. If there are many or numerous more I would be interested to hear your input.
You're obviously not interested in any other opinion but yours so discussion over.
So to be clear, you have no facts to back up your statement. Too bad, I was looking forward to it.
Ironbound wins!!!!! Great coaching
Great coaching? That mean they backed up the bus better than Marlboro did?
Marlton with the big win, this could be their year. Most teams decided not to play in this years state cup and even some of the teams that did enter are suspect at best but a state championship is a state championship. I know my sons coach wanted no part or regionals and really no part of nationals in Texas. The question now is when and where will they play to keep sharp for college? Scrimmages? Summer leagues? What do teams do? Those not playing in college will have no dedication and how do you even field a team.
No one cares about the U19 state cup Boomer. Not needed and the players have already checked out and are busy picking out their college teams gear. Their biggest goal between now and August is to not get hurt.
I wouldn't say no one cares but TBH very few do. Maybe the coaches who are trying to build their resumes so they can bump up their hourly training rate care. If it were up to me I would take the group of players that will be playing in college in a designated area and mix up the players and create a summer league. Put 22 on a team, split time evenly and make 4 teams. Just need someone to have a field or two. Everyone will play, stay in shape, and very little travel as you can combine North and Central Jersey or Central and South Jersey or something like that.I know it will not happen, not enough money is involved.
MF vs Ironboundother semi final not set yetMF will win handily, 3-1. Ironbound and their group of in college players will work hard but these are not the same level players. Ironbound coach will wish he had the players with him that played all year. I am not wishing them bad luck but that is what they will get. IB coach will be carded at least one time.
Should have registered for the NJ Statecup this year. Could have won a no expense paid trip to regionals.
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Yeah. The Ironbound coach is a psychopath. Really shouldn't be coaching. Makes every game about him. Seems like his players are a mixture of unquestionably loyal and terrified. I wouldn't ever count his team out though because it seems like he turns every challenging match into a whistle fest and initimidates the refs. Things get so chaotic that anything can happen. MF would be wise to try to be up 2 by half and then maybe the IB coach will resign himself to defeat. Certainly not a good coach tactically. Just wages psychologica warfare in multipledirections and hopes that his team will emerge from the chaos on top. A sad and disgraceful individual on the sideline, but I'm sure he is deeply appreciated by those close to him-and I don't doubt that he would do anything for those loyal to him.
One guy has an issue with a coach and now that is the topic. Too bad for that coach because we all know that every coach has their detractors. His style might not be the style you would choose to use but he is putting himself out there, are you?
Haha. One person has a problem with this joker? Are you friggin kidding me? And don't try to defend someone with that weak attempt "are you?" question. Maybe, but that's not the point. I don't alsonhave to be a coach to observe a coach using really questionable tactics. That was a really weak reply post. Really weak. Juvenile.
As defined on this board, weak = comment that does not agree with your opinion.
Can people stop getting so worked up on this forum? The original post about the coach was certainly critical, maybe a bit harsh. I don't know the coach so I can't weigh in. It doesn't seem weird for coaches to be harshly criticized in sports though. So I'm not buying the reply that tried to defend the coach by asking the poster if they coached. I think there are serious issues to discuss about the styles and tactics and approaches that youth coaches use--especially at these advanced ages as players are preparing for college. I wonder if there are nj club coaches who have particularly good records of preparing and sending players to good college programs where the players go on to succeed.
Question of coaching style/approach is a good one. I have seen the IB coach and don't like his approach at all, but I haven't had a kid play for him and know a couple who think he is great. Seems like the most important coaching factor at this age is how well players are being prepped for college play. Not sure how clearly this can be evaluated but it would be interesting to know what levels of success can be attributed to different coaches in terms of sending players to good college programs where they do well.
I can see 90% of MF players and 60% of Marlboro/Stronghold/SDFC players and 30% of some of the other quality clubs players going to play in College, but to say that every club in here is sending tons of player to play in college I would disagree with that.At the end of the day, all these coaches want to do is win at all costs.
I hear you but isn't that kinda strange? You'd think that at this age the measure of success would be based on sending players to next level, not gotsoccer points or league standings.Also, I'm not sure about the percentages you put out there-and I'm not criticizing you at all. Just thinking that they might be higher overall, but then one would have to sift through the level of college programs that players are moving on to. Which brings up another question--how much better is D1 than D3? In this area, I feel like many players who I see as stronger, may go on to a local D3 because of academics and/or financial concerns because a place like Rutgers Newark or Bloomfield College is affordable and less of a hassle to get into. Is it accurate to say that a lot of the difference between D1 and D3 is about access to more elite levels of higher education? I mean there aren't not lots of D1 soccer players getting significant $ and rising up from the tough streets of Newark. It's largely suburban white kids. Just seems like collegiate sports in general and soccer in particular opens up a can of demographic worms.
You really cant have this conversation about this 2017 class just yet. A lot of the D1 commits will realize that they are in over their head and either transfer, quit or just sit. D2 commits will realize that they only chose D2 because no D1 program wanted them and then wonder why they are at this school whose degree will do little for them. D3 players will realize they just wanted to say they were playing in college and a lot drop out by sophomore year. There will be some success stories of course but the ones who will make out the best are the players that chose their school and their level of play smartly. A kid that would be on the bottom of the roster of a D1 team but chose a great D3 school will be the true winner if they play it right. Will play minutes right away and if they take advantage of the school they will get a great education AND D3 schools have the availability to give out the most money of all of them. I have been through this, you will see.
Great post. Thanks. I agree with your observations, and it is true that D3 schools have $-just not called athletic scholarship, even though it basically is. What about the comparison between D1 and D3 level of play? I feel like the big difference may be in physicality/speed of play. Or is it as straightforward as D1 soccer is simply better soccer than D3? I guess there is also a good deal of variation within each division. Maybe a weak D1gets beaten in a hypothetical head to head with a strong D3 . . .
Rowan beat Delaware 6-0 this spring. What does that mean? IDK, but it still was the result.
By definition D1 is better then D3. That doesnt mean a D3 player cant play with D1 players. But more D1 players would be able to play D3 then D3 players playing D1
There are definitely some D3 schools that are better than some D1 schools. For instance Amherst would beat Fairleigh Dickinson 6 or 7 times out of 10. Tufts would beat LaSalle more often than not. There are some very good soccer players who also want very good academics and D3 is the perfect fit.
I have always heard that D2 and D3 schools can compete with some D1 schools but I have no experience seeing either play. Why do you think Amherst or Tufts would beat FDU or LaSalle? Have you seen these teams play? If so, what did you see that would lead you to your opinion? Just trying to figure all of this out.
Looked at the standings for the 2016-2017 college season and La salle finished #3 in the Atlantic 10 while Farleigh Dickinson finished 3-11 and seton hall finished 4-11. Just the records but still, don't compare those teams
FDU recruited NJ heavily this past year, they seem more geared towards keeping local players in NJ then they are in getting the best players. Maybe it is because they have a tough time recruiting, I don't know. Seton Hall should be much better then they actually are, they play in the Big East and have a name school that should attract players. So I dont know what the problem is there, again they should be much better. For the poster above, D3 teams can absolutely compete with FDU, there is a reason there is so much turmoil with their roster.
To return to earlier discussion about coaching, I have seen the IB coach on several occasion and while I accept that coaches have their different styles and players/parents are always free to take them or leave them, this coach presents some bad problems. The main issue is that he seems bent on turning games into free for alls that become less about soccer than they are about his performance as a real inflammatory instigator type. I guess he sees this as a way to give his team the best chance to win by distracting the opponent and the refs. He seems to have decent players though, so he should just let them play while his mouth stays shut. The biggest problem about the situations he creates is that one of these occasions could easily result in physical violence. From another coach (I've seen him dance crazily in another coaches face to taint him when his team scores), a ref, an opposing parent or player. I hope not, but the way he unnecessarily elevates the stakes, it seems like an unfortunate result that could happen. Really too bad that basic on the field coaching standards can't be imposed and upheld by one of these youth soccer organizations.
I understand why you may feel that way but from the inside looking out, he motivates but just a bit differently. Crazy, yes he has been called that before. Does he care? No way. He lives on the fact that you care about him, that you think about him. He will tell you to your face that you should not worry or care one bit about what others think about you. If you waste your time judging others he will have no time for you. No standards as stated above will change him. He is who he is. He will take this same approach vs MF and he will look to take a victory out of it.
Thanks for the reasoned reply. Good to disagree but to still honor different perspectives on issues. I would just say that to me, it's disingenuous to to seek victory by sowing negativity. But the biggest concern is that someone, likely him, may get hurt one of these times. I certainly don't wish it on anyone, but athletic competition, testosterone, and taunting is a combustible and potentially violent mix. Especially in this day and age.
You stated that FDU recruited heavily in NJ this year. Is that a change for them? What makes you think they did not recruit the best players, did I read that correctly?
Rutgers also seemed to get a good number of NJ recruits plus some international and maybe 1-2 from out of state.
Yes Rutgers did but they recruited reputation over talent
College coaches make the assumption that academy players are better players . We all know that's not always true but that's the way it is. Even though MF isn't academy anymore, they still have that rep.
Assumption?! Although I agree that not all academy players are better than club players. It is hard not to argue taking any level academy player over a club player. The fact is that academy players are far more college ready than club players. Academy players train at least twice as much as club players and for the most part at a much higher intensity. Not to mention their level of dedication is off the charts. Plain and simple academy players are a much safer bet to recruit than the club player regardless of how good they are.
Exactly! A safer bet but not a sure thing. I call that an assumption that you're getting a better player.
In terms of 5/26 @ 5:38 comment, how exactly is Rutgers choosing reputation over talent in their incoming recruiting class?
Are you saying Rutgers got the best player from your team?
Clearly the best players on MF did not go to Rutgers, so what is your question.
After the loss vs Coppa pretty much looks like SSC is a repeat of last year and going to forfeit the remainder of thier games. What a way to end it.
Hard to imagine why they joined the league in first place.
They lost a game, why would they forfeit their remaining? Why do you think this?
Well they've only played 2 games the entire Spring. Why do you think they won't forfeit their games just like that did last year?
Looking at the schedule they aren't the only one
I guess I can understand why SSC would put together a team, extra $ for the club and the trainer. But why would parents agree to pay? I guess is the question. Especially after last year's performance. Fool me once...
How would the coach/trainer make $ by not playing? They get paid to be at the games! STA dropped out of the league but no backlash there.
State cup this weekend, any predictions?
Marlton will win
MF will win, Marlton will win (Marlton has and still will play no one good until the finals). MF will win it all but are they really winners? Hard enough to get willing players at this point and now they will have to go to regionals. Good luck with that.
After watching many colleges, Academy and club games I find the difference between D1 vs D3 and Academy vs Club is the pace and technical aspects of the game. The D1/Academy game just has a much better flow and that is because, for the most part, the players are more technical.Watched a D3 college game between 2 NJ schools last fall and it was like watching 2 overgrown high school teams play. I also watched 2 NJ Academy teams play and the game was so much better and much more exciting.
My son has played both academy and top level EDP. The difference between the two is depth. That is it. EDP teams have some very talented players but they also carry flawed players, where as the academy teams can eliminate those with flaws and much more readily. It is a team sport but all have been evaluated on an individual basis. Academy players have a much easier path to a college team, coaches look for them and feel that they are getting a good player without having to put much effort into the search process. EDP/Club players have a much harder hill to climb and have to prove their worth to the college coaches rather then come with the assumed worth.
In terms of academy/college issue, the clearer pathway from academy to D1 seems quite real. What also seems real is that there is an unfortunate closed loop in upper age level US soccer youth development, as from what I've seen (on a limited scale) both the academies and D1 programs emphasize a very physical and technical but generally bland style that lacks creativity. Very patterned and direct but without much imagination. Not a huge issue, but one that does seem to reflect the gap between the US and the top tier of international soccer.
That is soccer is the US, no need to limit it to D1, all college soccer is for the most part is an extension of what you are seeing now. Take the players from the top EDP and Academy teams, sprinkle in a few from the mid level teams and add in the foreign transfer students and you have a college team. Coaches change all the time, players rarely play 4 years so you are in constant turmoil with any type of real flow. Consistency is not what they are after because wins is what gets them new jobs.
MF vs IB = MF winner 3-0Marlton vs Hudson = winner Marlton 2-1orWild card: Burst everyone's bubble. Final: IB vs Hudson
Gonna be back up the bus soccer. Small field, probably hasn't been mowed in a week. Anybody can win.
Small field? You out there measuring?
Every game is back up the bus soccer. Coaches just teach how to win. No creativity . It's equivalent to teachers teaching to the test. But like another poster pointed out, that's soccer in the US.
No one backs up the bus like Marlton. They used to play all 10 field players 18 and in. They have moved away from that mess but don't think the same coaches who built that system wont do it again.
Marlton back up the bus? Did you lose to them, I'm sorry.
Your strategy of backing up the bus works sometimes but not all the time so good for you!
Stop whining if you lost.
Marlton and MF will play in the finals MF will roll on. Marlton had difficulty with an average at best Hudson team. MF toyed with ironbound. IB had no bench and really only 4 players that showed any real ability IB goalie was good if he wasn't it could have. Wen 11-0. Marlton a only chance is to go at the MF defense and in particular the center defense as they seemed to be unorganized in many instances Expect a lot of goals tomorrow with MF winning. Offensively MF will run circles around marlton while marlton will play the long ball with their counter attack
How ignorant can you be? You don't mean the same town team that beat you less then a month ago do you. There is no such thing as a town team at this age.
SSC didn't back up the bus, they got on it and left town.
Why do you say that? Did they forfeit a game this weekend?
State Cup Championships in this age group have been won byMatchFit, Marlboro, and Stronghold. Not sure if anyone else has won one since they were teenagers. Am I missing someone?
Although my sons team was not able to win a state cup, they sure did get close a few times. It was a great ride watching him grow up alongside his teammates and see the growth that they had. Some got much better, some did not but they all played their hardest. Playing the top teams in NJ and the region for what seems like forever will be something that we all will remember and soon miss more than we all might think. I had the chance to speak to some opposing teams parents over time and it seems like MF and Marlboro will have almost their entire teams playing in college. I was wondering what the other teams out there have in terms of numbers of players moving on to play in college. We have a great amount also, about 65% playing but again these are the top teams.
Those are good numbers. My son is on a top 20 NJ team and we will have 2 playing in college.
As per EDP standings, Stronghold has played a game. For those wondering where the bus was, I guess it was on the field or they rented it to Europa.
Looks like they put a team together for a home game. I bet EDP is cracking down on the club.
Enough of the SSC obsession. Game scheduled, game played. Had more players then Marlboro did so if you call that "putting a team together", so be it. No one in this age group had a better run in the past 5 years (MF and Marlboro just as good) including State and national championships.
7:40 made some valid points. May also want to add that SSC is not the only team not to have played their matches.
May also want to add that SSC's coach has more cards than hallmark.
Only distinction is MF has been competing for state cups for 3 years and have won each year. Anybody else have a 3-peat in the history of NJ State Cup? Just asking...
Any other team here that used to play in academy league but dropped down a level where they can now be the best among the club teams?
Who said they are the best? One of the best yes. Didn't Holmdel win 3 State Cups? Didn't Marlboro win 4 State Cups in the past 4 years? Typical MF, impossible to win with class.
quick disclaimer, I do believe MF is the best team in NJ but there are some other items to look at. 11 losses in the past year, lost to SJEB, Marlboro 2x and to Marlton. Deeper look has Marlboro #1 and MF #2 in the state at this time. I know these gotsoccer rankings dont tell the entire story but Marlboro won the USclub State cup and MF won the NJYS state cup. It would be easy to say they are 1 and 2 as they both have championships this year. Deeper look, MF has played Marlboro 2x in the past year and Marlboro won both. Am I surprised by looking at that, yes, but facts are facts and MF should be proud of their 3peat but also be aware that the post bragging about it will bring out the facts.
Figured I'd stir things up one last time. After all, this blog gets pretty boring when everybody gets along. Best of luck to all the kids on all the teams. Good luck to Marlboro in nationals! Peace out, folks.
That is of course if Marlboro goes to Nationals. Do U19 teams really go? Same to MF at Regionals.
There's no other team in NJ that can move the ball around the field as beautifully as MF. You will never see them play the long ball or park the bus. Their superior skills were rewarded with 18 D1 commits. Tiki Taka!
NJYS State cup for U19 had to post a performance bond to ensure they show up to regionals.
Anyone can see that some of the D1 commits from MF got their offer because of reputation and not ability. We all know who these players are and i think they even know it
Not surprised to see that someone else sees what I see. Let's put it this way, I see almost all MF games and I too am surprised at some of the looks they got. Some less then they deserved and some more then they deserved. If being in the academy system was the reason then glad to have been there
Look many and I could could go as far as 99% of the MF kids were going to college regardless of soccer. Most come from affluent families whose kids are attending private schools which most have 90% acceptance rates. Those kids who don't need financial assistance and daddy says, "we're just looking for a roster spot" are a bonus to a coach and will get on a D1 roster. Now I'll finish by saying they are a top team, I'm just bringing another perspective into the conversation.
Does a college team have a certain number of roster spots to fill or does this vary with the coach? It seems that youth rosters get bigger every year so maybe it's the same with college rosters.
I love the way you guys think D1 coaches frivolously throw out roster spots to anyone who shows an interest. It really doesn't work that way. MF plays a style of soccer that is very attractive to college coaches. No long balling or backing up the bus. If you have younger kids you should make sure that are playing on a team that allows themTo show their talents. Midfielders don't get to show their ability if the ball is constantly being kicked over their heads. Having defenders who only kick the ball out or "send it" doesn't show college coaches anything. Having strikers who are just trying to beat defenders in a foot race shows nothing to college coaches.Every kid on MF was seen by their college coaches numerous times before offers were extended. They don't just take kids who can't play because they can't help the team develop and they eventually will just have an unhappy kid that they have to deal with. They are not looking to bring in headaches.
10:53 makes a lot of very good points. However there are many instances where players have said that they will be playing at X and the coaches have not done anything but offer a roster spot. They have already been told that they should not come if they plan on playing a lot if at all. Issue is that the parents and the players are not hearing that part because "he doesnt mean me" is there thought process. GPA factors into it very much also. This is not something that only happens with the D1 programs, just speak to a D2 or D3 coach and they will tell you the same thing. Playing soccer in college shouldnt be a job but it turns into one and that is why the dropout rate is so high. Take a look at the # of freshmen vs the # of Seniors on any given team.
MF uses the same starters every game and they play most of the game. So how could a college coach see ant significant play from roster #s 14-22? I think college coaches are making judgement calls based on the teams name, not the individual names, and also the MF coach's recommendations. I'm not trying to criticize anyone but let's be honest.
So your son plays on MF? How else would you know this?
Isn't it true that you use the same starters for every game?
It is absolutely not true. They do not start the same players every game. There might be 4 guys that start pretty much every game. 2 of them are the CBs. The midfield and forwards are interchangeable. Level of play does not drop when subs come in.
Always different starters, not so much because they want to get everyone starting time but more because the players are not always there.
Stop the MF jealousy. Being part of a great team does get you opportunities that others will not. I am sure Marlboro, Holmdel, STA, SSC and a few others have had great success getting players into a good college.
MatchFit, if you are so talented (18 D! recruits) and so deep ("no drop off in talent") then why are you 2-2 in EDP this year? How did your stellar defenders give up 4 goals to Marlton. Point being, you are never as good as you think and there are MANY players that are as good or even better. Count your blessings that is worked out for you and now your players will need to prove it all over again at the next level. Their college coach will not care about anything other then what he sees from now on.
Somebody seems a bit angry.
Who cares about EDP league games? Neither of the starting CBs were at that Marlton game. When the game mattered we took care of business....
Well I didn't say this, but MF did "Level of play does not drop when subs come in". Now the only reason they lost was because they were not there.
Just so I have it straight, MF lost to Marlboro and Marlton in EDP play. Are you telling me that the players went onto the field when it was #1 vs #2 and they have the ability to not try? 18 year old boys trying to capture the title of #1 and having come off a loss in their last match vs Marlboro collectively said no worries this is just an EDP game. Is that what you are saying? Marlton loss, well I would have to say MF got the revenge they needed and in a very big way.
Well 4:33 try to keep up. The CBs were 2 of the few who started every game. Remember I said that? Of the 11 goals we scored last weekend I think were scored by 8 different players. Our 18yr olds don't care about EDP games. Can't tell you how Marlboro feels. By the way I think it is 19 players in D1. Team was mixed up constantly. So when the subs came in at the 20 minute mark there were different combinations. That's why there is no drop off and so much success. That is also why all of our kids were able to showcase themselves in front of college coaches. You know nothing about how MF manages its personnel.
So top athletes pick and choose which games they want to perform in? Bad recruiting if you ask me
Congrats to MF on their college acceptances. Are there other club teams that have done well with this also? My sons team has 2 moving on to play in college and 2 that say they will walk on and try, but I do not really remember heavy recruiting going on.
It was not Penn State or Virginia but we had at least one college coach at every one of our regular slate of games. Tournaments many more of course.
U get recruited, sign NLI, coach who recruited you leaves, U cant leave or change your mind. Not right.
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