What can we say? You just have to read it--better than Leno and Letterman, any day. This age bracket attracts a lot of attention and several teams have very different rosters going into Fall 2012. Better than ever.
Lets keep it on topic Hudson is great NJ Force is easy to beat BOCA wears big boys pants If Marlton beats Marlboro we lose a poster Marlton can beat anyone any day NJX still living in the past Dont post tryouts on here or your team is falling apart.
Yes Bayern was bigger , stronger, faster, but that was not the deciding factor. Those players also have skill. Barca played possession ( 65%) but mostly east west, Bayern played north-south and that's where the goalposts are. Barca did recover last round and beat AC Milan at home 4-0, but Bayern is much better defensively so they will need a miracle in the return leg.
I don't have a problem with NJ Force or any other upstart. What bothers me is all these self proclaimed academy labels all over the place. Last I looked NJ has four academies ( RBNY, PDA, NJSA, Matchfit) and even that is up for debate because only NYRB is free for all players, and even their program has critics.
I believe we all want our players/teams to develop. But the big or small picture is someone is making money/profit. And being a winner or having the name academy always attract players.$$
Still just a word. At this point, we all know the difference. Yes, they are making a profit, it is their livlihood, nothing wrong with that. If NJ Force is getting good training and showing results, new players will come and make them better. If not, their top players will leave. I dont see this team any better today than they were while in Colonia......just paying more.
Lets start with this, those teams you mentioned that get credit deserve it. They are not perfect, but they play a good game and each has strengths and weaknesses. There are others that can move into this conversation (Parsippany as an expample).
World Class FC is holding tryouts for its USSF Pre-Academy and USSF Academy teams from April 30 - May 3. Go to www.wcsocceracademy.org for complete details on dates and times for each age group.
SSC over Morris, really wont be that close as the SSC boys try to leave on a high note.
SJE vs Marlton, I really dont know what to think of this one. If Marlton scores the first goal the game is over as Marlton will turtle up their defense. If SJE scores the first goal, Marlton will panic and have to play soccer, SJE will win by 3 if they score first.
Parsippany over TSF by 3, not much of a threat here.
Marlboro over Howell by 2. This is a matchup of 2 average defenses as they are both giving up a lot of goals.
I am a former SSC parent who left the club for logistical reasons (a good program, but was just too darn far for me to travel ). So I don't know too much about this year, but I can tell you this . They don't place high emphasis on spring US club state cup at most age groups. Coaches tend to experiment with lineups and give B team players a call up to the expanded roster to see what they can do. For that reason Morris does have a chance. Fall state cup is a different story. Being that they are already ticketed for regionals, their focus will be preparing for Rhode Island. I for one wish them good luck there!
Of course SSC will field strongest team possible and play their best. That said, I guarantee you they place more emphasis on their EDP league games than US club soccer NJ cup games.
That's just the way soccer is. Within any club at any level priorities exist. Is it win at all costs or player development? Results are prioritized and put into tiers. Man. U may put winning domestic league title ahead of cup competitions, while Chelsea may want to win a Cup. It's to each his own.
Not sure pda cares about being caught at anything. Not worried about the date of birth date/numbers, just the numbers on the check after $ Didn't pda forfeit some games last year for carding issues?
know nothing about pda Rooney, but lots of mishaps/ mistakes/ miscommunication at pda. Seems to be a pattern. My name is pda and I am an ____________
Any reason why NJX is allowed to play in EDP? This is supposed to be the cream of the crop, not anyone who applies. They cant compete at this level and it is making a joke of EDP.
I thought we were done with NJX but what is your point. NJX is not in the top flight meaning what? It is ok for a team that is now top 40-50 in NJ to play in the premier league? Other second flight teams beat the first flight teams while NJX cant keep a reasonable scoreline without the opposition playing keep away.
1) SSC- won state cup; lead EDP top flight 2) SDFC- right up there at top of EDP 3)SJE - holding their own in top flight of EDP 4)Ironbound - tough losses lately in EDP but still a good skillful team
Hope no obvious ommissions, sorry in advance! 5)Howell - state cup finalist gotta mean something 6)PDA - a bit Jekyl and Hyde , but still good most of the time 7)Marlboro- on their good days can hang with the top teams 8)Parsippany - watch out for this new kid on the block 9)Hudson - up and coming team 10)Marlton- kick and run style does have some merits
Enough of the kick and run BS you people keep throwing at Marlton. Have you seen them play lately? Marlton is a skilled team. You want kick and run, see Howell. Howell has almost no soccer skills but man they are great at kick it far. Dont get me wrong, Howell is still a winning team and can beat anyone on anyday as they have proven, its just ugly. The only team you may have left out is BOCA, and that is a maybe.
Marlboro Marlton tied 1-1. Pretty darn good game between two good teams. Marlton was up 1-0 a good portion of the game. Marlboro then scored on a nice direct right outside of the box on a fairly lame handball call. Before u even go there, not an excuse, but the refs blew (for both sides). Either way, evenly matched and a good game. I'm sure someone will find a way to make some ignorant comment to make about my post, but whatever...have fun.
Marlboro/ Marlton was a good game. Teams were evenly matched. Both goals were from direct kicks. Marlboro scored on a nice direct kick outside the box and Marlton had a great lob finished off by a nice header. Couple of yellows but nothing crazy.
All games in the EDP top flight are big games. If you don't bring your A game to each one , you can get beat by anyone in the flight.Ironbound may be the most dangerous " last place " team you'll find anywhere.
Really? Now teams get punished on this forum for winning in a tournament that is not the top flight? So you have to be in the Super Group to get credit?
I think that you can get credit for being in the lower tournament. I just don't think you can be considered in the discussion of the top teams in the State. Let's face it, if your coach doesn't think you belong there why should anyone else. I also think that the lower tournament was for lower teams. I don't believe it was designed for a team like Hudson to blow out the competition.
I agree with the statement but if this is a top 10 team discussion only forum maybe it needs to be labeled as such so the teams below #10 can find another place to spend their time posting without being told by some that they aren't up to snuff? I think the DOL win was pretty solid against a team who just beat Howell last week. So they arent top ten but that win shows me they are in fact on the right track.
Everyone NJ Force thanks you for all the concerns about our group. We are just fine at 14, just like we will be at 15, 16, 17 etc. We are talking about 14 year old players. Who cares if you are top at 14? Is this where your soccer career ends? We at NJ Force are developing nicely. We hit a rough patch in the beginning of the spring but we are coming along nicely, but again thank you for all your concerns. Also if you would like to tryout come on down to Edison Monday night 7 to 8:30. Thanks
Tryout, why. To play for a coach who is a nice guy but really cant bring the players to the next level? To stand next to a group of out of control fathers?
14 doesn't matter, isn't that what you said when they were 12, that 12 didn't matter.
Force you are always so quick to reply, you must live on this site.
I think the coach of Force can take the players to the next level because he played at the next level and the level after that. The coach doesn't stand with father's, he is by himself on the sideline. He rid himself of the fathers and the non sense. Again thank you everyone for caring so much about the Force.
DOL should have been the underdog in the match vs Stallions. And they won. They are the underdog vs Hudson at the semis. Who has Hudson beaten to prove they are favored?
Congrats Force. You scored within the first 5 minutes? Heard it was physical and not as technical. Luckily the other team scored an own goal. Good luck the rest of the way.
SSC had two great games over the weekend. Have to give STA lots of credit for a tremendous effort, scoring first and pushing the Falcons to the brink of elimination, before falling 4-3 on PK s. in US club state cup. Sunday's match was a classic SDFC / SSC EDP battle with a little bit of everything, which made it a great match. SSC dominated first half and went up 1 - 0 (there was a disallowed offside goal for SDFC and two missed PK s for SSC on obvious handball and blatant foul in box by SDFC making it a wild and crazy first half of soccer. Score could have been 3-1)Second half more settled down, with SDFC playing better.A scrappy own goal equalized mid way through the half, setting up a thrilling last 20 minutes with good end to end action and scoring chances by both teams. SDFC netted the winner on a beautiful goal with about 5 minutes remaining. Both teams had some key guys missing, but still was a great game and shows the depth and talent of both sides.
News has reported that a referee died as a result of being punched by a player in another state. No player, coach, referee or parent should ever take to physical violence but can the ref be the cause to bring the level of frustration to that level? I recently witnessed a game where the referee had every person elevated because he lost complete control of the game. I am of the understanding that there is no evaluation of referees performance at all. Would you agree that coaches should be have to provide performance feedback after games? If there is a resounding yes, what can we do to institute this in NJ?
Warrington 4-1 over Lehigh Marlboro 4-2 over PDA HBC 2-0 over Howell SJEB 3-2 over TEYSA Marlboro 8-0 over Ridgefield (is that a correct score?) FSA 4-0 over IB
1 SDFC- just beat SSC 2-1; recent head to head counts most 2 SSC - fall state cup champs; looking to double this spring 3 Marlboro- good runs in fall and sping state cups; some impressive results 4- SJEB- good results in EDP south 5-Howell - fall finalist 6-Marlton- good run to spring final four 7-STA- playing SSC tough shows you belong 8-Ironbound-recent string of tough losses 9-PDA- good fall; so so spring 10-Parsippany- new kid on the block
STA v SSC was pretty good game. STA well coached and well prepared. Good keeper, well organized defense, and a dangerous striker ( who scored the first goal ). SSC responded with a nice goal within five minutes and that was all the scoring in a very tight game.Only ten min of OT too short in my opinion. In the PK lottery SSC won 4 - 3 . Overall SSC was the slightly better team.
Which of these teams are going to be competitive next year? Best teams will lose best players to Red Bulls. Will they disband or replace from next level of teams?
SDFC and SSC are 1 & 2 no matter how you cut it. I will give them 1 and 1A as a matter of fact.
3 - Howell - Recent success in State Cup shows they can win on the big stage and that is what matters. 4 - Marlboro - Still can't win the big game but are very consistent across the board. More talented then Howell but can't get it done when it matters. 5 - SJEB - Coming on strong. Big win against Marlton. 2 more State Cup wins and they will move to #3. 6 - Marlton - Not top 5 talent. Their style wins them games. Last time I checked winning gets you ranked. So keep doing your thing Marlton. 7 - Parsippany- Coming on Strong. Big wins as of late. Proving they belong. 8 - Ironbound - Moving out of the top 10 before they are moving into top 5. Still deserve to be there though. 9 - BOCA - Still have my doubts, but they are competing with the top teams. Big wins against Howell, PDA and Southhampton. Tough PK losses to Howell and Ironbound in State Cup. Their results are proving that they belong. 10 - Hudson - The only reason I put them here is to let them know that you shouldn't get respect as a top 10 if you aren't going to compete in the State Cup with them. If you don't believe in your abilities why should anyone else?
On what grounds is NJ Force better then Boca? Their 2-1 loss to TRFC United. PDA has a lot of weak losses including a 1-0 loss to Boca which is why I didn't put them in. My top 10 isn't based on what teams did last year, however on what they are doing now.
EDP game above listed as 8-0. IMO if you are in EDP and losing by 8 you should be taken out of EDP. EDP was formed as an elite league, losing by 8 proves you are not elite. Why waste everyone's time.
Sure the top teams will "loose" some players to academies, but I look at that as a positive not negative. They have developed talented players who can make the jump to the next level and should be commended for that. If SDFC , SSC, IB, etc loose players , they'll still be good due to remaining core and additions from both outside and within their clubs.
Be honest SSC, really dig down and be honest. You are losing players to RB and they are good players, but no better then 50 other players that didn't try out for RB. That isn't a cut on those players leaving you but don't go crazy with your development theory.
so when SSC has three players good enough to train at Red Bulls plus another six training at Philly Union, thats not good development?Now you really dig down and be honest, isn't nine academy level players from one program good development?Our coaches have done an excellent job developing our boys, some since U 10.
Ok, lets look at that. You have 9 academy level players and you don't win every game handily against these so called top teams? Do you think RB and PDA would ever lose to these teams? I would think you should be doing better with these academy level players on your team.
That wasn't the point. There ARE 50 other players as good as if not better then the SSC players going to RB. You don't have to agree with it, but that doesn't make you right. I could take the top 3-4 players off of each EDP team alone and they are, with few exceptions, as good or better. There are also some players that don't play an EDP schedule that are just as good.
The point is 1) we don't have our academy players at every game this spring, and have been getting respectable results anyway 2)if you think there are 50 players in EDP or any other flights in NJ better than # 99, 8, and 9 on SSC Falcons then you are entitled to that opinion, but I'd take those three over most in this age group
6 training at Philly Union. Where do these people live? Either way, must be spending their lives in a car as Philly Union and SSC are not next door to one another.
Players training at Phila Union? Not sure if that means anything. Are they even in the Pre-Academy League? Even if they are, Academy League is like La Liga/Bundesliga - 2 teams by far at the top (RB/PDA) and every other teams way below.
This year Philly Union is club neutral, players train, compete in some tournaments and games, but are released back to play with DELCO, PDA, PENN FUSION , SSC etc. Next year they will play full academy schedule down into U 14 ranks.
I agree with above post, glad we have many good players in this age group, but to imply that there are 50 better than the three center mids who were at the heart of their state cup run is just ridiculous. Where are those fifty? why aren't their teams winning it all if they are better?
No one has EDP locked up, it is wide open, especially after 2-1 SDFC win over SSC. But in all fairness to SSC, I don't think they ever claimed they had it locked up.
So what is your point? OK there are fifty players better in NJ than the top 3 on the state cup champs, you are so right. Now just round them up, hold a tryout, hire a coach, no better yet you coach the team because you are such an expert, and we'll see you as the state cup champs next year.
What happened to Ridgefield? They were claiming superior soccer skills once upon a time? I think lack of commitment, no team unity and possibly mediocore coaching. Need to bring your A game every weekend to compete in EDP.
All, I believe we can all agree that SSC has some real good players. I think we can all agree that many teams have some real good players. Hell, even the battered Ridgefield team mentioned above has a player that is exceptional. Are there 50 like the poster stated? I don't know, but there are a lot. Will any of this amount to much, no. If you are from the US playing soccer your chances of making money in it are beyond slim to none. Give the SSC kids some credit, at least they wont have to pay SSC anymore and they can play for free at RB.
Take this as a great experience of playing soccer at the age of 14. Claim that you won a state cup or you almost beat the #1 team in NJ. They will be life long experiences. Some player may make it beyond our expectations and time will only tell. But reality is it will only be a memory. Bash every team you want but all youre doing is boosting your ego. Let us enjoy our wins, draws or losses.
Last comment implied Sdfc is number one team in the state? If that's the case that won't last much longer they will be the new homdel. Sdfc is imploding from within, they already lost a few key players due to internal problems. they will be lucky if they have a team next year.
To the above post about Phila Union salaries and this "soccer thing is the way to go," take a look at current MLS salaries.
http://www.mlsplayers.org/salary_info.html
Thierry Henry and Robby Keane are making big $ and a few others are doing very well. But that's it. Vast majority are well below that - and that's probably as high as they'll go, for a career that last about what - 5 years? Not sure about MLS and their Academies/Pre-Academies as a career track for financial reasons. But if the kids love the sport and are good enough to make it -- fine.
Yes salaries are low, but after thier 5 year stint they can come back as coaches and trainers and rake in the big bucks from bonehead parents who will pay anything thinking thier kid is all that. They can even make more money if they put on a fake english accent!
you obviously don't know the SSC coach who started this team from scratch for his youngest son at U 9. Did other good players join in? Of course,but not through any PDA type poaching or recriuting. AS to the above about not paying at SSC and playing at RB or Union for free, well that's the whole idea, isn't it? FYI it was our coach who made the contacts and recommendations for these players at RB and Union. He feels that's his job : to help players reach the next level.BTW don't be surprised if some stick around as many want to play in HS.
Private school, right? If so there are loopholes to allow them to play even if they are on an academy team. However, isn't there a rule that states you cant play club and HS for the same coach?
I am pretty sure the original post "soccer thing is the way to go" was intended to be sarcastic. Good post from MLS Players Union though. Gotta' go overseas at this age to make a real living at the sport. Moral of the story is get an education.
There is a glimmer of hope, but probably too late for this age group. By 2016 there is a good chance Man City will have an MLS farm team out of Queens. In a few years everyone may be flocking to go to Queens instead of RB Academy with the dream of playing overseas for a world class club one day. That's a lot more interesting I admit, but I'd still work on the education.
I believe there are HS rules that would make having club team members playing for the same coach in HS an issue as someone prior posted. Does anyone have an answer to this?
Very simple..the ssc coach also coached thecurrent u15s..he stepped down after spring 2012 and hired an english trainer...same will happen with falcons.
The official start of the fall hs season is after the current spring hs season ends. this rule change was put in so players could attend summer camps with their hs coaches.
I have to agree with the prior post, I don't believe that is allowed. Why do you think there are captains practices in the summer and the coach isn't allowed to be there?
A high school coach is allowed to coach his/her players in any sport during the summer. The HS restrictions are for out of season during the school year only . The term the high school federation uses is " summer recess" which begins after the final NJ spring state championship usually the Track Meet of Champions around June 8. So technically a varsity coach can practice with his team during mid-late June even before current school year ends. School insurance covers athletes during summer recess period. Not saying I agree or disagree with this policy but this is the rule and you can BANK on it.
It is allowed. My son has been playing with a group that gets together and plays during the summer that is organized and coached by the HS. Varsity coach. All this with no cost except for Carding and tournament fee's. Great for the boys who would like to play in the summer and good for the coach as he can see them play at high level before HS season starts.
Agree, just some questions out of curiousity and really not knowing. Glad a few were well aware of the rules. I think most in this age group would agree with the above that the SSC head coach is a class act.
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Hudson is great
NJ Force is easy to beat
BOCA wears big boys pants
If Marlton beats Marlboro we lose a poster
Marlton can beat anyone any day
NJX still living in the past
Dont post tryouts on here or your team is falling apart.
The Catalonians were destroyed by the Bavarians today.
Yes Bayern was bigger , stronger, faster, but that was not the deciding factor. Those players also have skill. Barca played possession ( 65%) but mostly east west, Bayern played north-south and that's where the goalposts are. Barca did recover last round and beat AC Milan at home 4-0, but Bayern is much better defensively so they will need a miracle in the return leg.
I don't have a problem with NJ Force or any other upstart. What bothers me is all these self proclaimed academy labels all over the place. Last I looked NJ has four academies ( RBNY, PDA, NJSA, Matchfit) and even that is up for debate because only NYRB is free for all players, and even their program has critics.
Its a word, get over it.
I believe we all want our players/teams to develop. But the big or small picture is someone is making money/profit. And being a winner or having the name academy always attract players.$$
Still just a word. At this point, we all know the difference. Yes, they are making a profit, it is their livlihood, nothing wrong with that. If NJ Force is getting good training and showing results, new players will come and make them better. If not, their top players will leave. I dont see this team any better today than they were while in Colonia......just paying more.
Hudson over stallions?
There is a new team for you people to worry about TRFC REV0LUTION U14B
they 're prob better than the dismal NE Rev s
What does Hudson over Stallions mean?
TRRC Revolution is a team?
Stallions have been playing well. I would be surprised if Hudson comes out with a win.
NIT, NIT, NIT, NIT
TRFC Revolution may want to strive to be the best team in the club before they come on this blog spouting off. Revolution is our "C" team.
No one took it seriously. Good to know that the Toms River soccer police are so quick to react.
All the self proclaimed top ten teams....Take cover, head for the hills, quake with fear, for the TRFC Revolution is here!
They have moved up 92 places in the Region. Now that is progress. Who else has made this type of move at this age? #528 in the region baby.
Parsippany moves along quietly.
Until now....
Parsippany over Ironbound is a good win, these boys deserve credit.
The only teams that get credit on this blog are SSC, SDFC, Ironbound, Marlboro and PDA. Everyone else is just rubbish.
Lets start with this, those teams you mentioned that get credit deserve it. They are not perfect, but they play a good game and each has strengths and weaknesses. There are others that can move into this conversation (Parsippany as an expample).
Nice win by Parsippany and congratulations to those boys for what I think was a very nice victory. Semi final round predictions anyone?
You mean 1/4 finals.
SSC over Morris UTD 4-1
Parsippany over TSF 3-1
SJE over Marlton 2-1
Marlboro over Howell 3-1
Look at me speeding up the rounds.
I am going with
Morris 2-1
Parsippany 2-0
Marlton 1-0
Marlboro 3-2
Morris over SSC? I suppose you know more than I do. What gives you the idea that Morris can hang with SSC?
Lets not forget SSC has captain America and zorro you can't take them lightly
When do these 1/4 final games have to be played by?
why does that matter
5-4 quarters
5-11 semi
5-12 finals
With or without their masked marvels, SSC should still have enough to outshoot the Gunners.
Predictions:
SSC 2 STA 0
Marlton 1 SJE 1 ( marlton in PK s )
Parsippany 2 TSF 0
Marlboro2 Howell 2 ( Marlboro in PK s )
World Class FC is holding tryouts for its USSF Pre-Academy and USSF Academy teams from April 30 - May 3. Go to www.wcsocceracademy.org for complete details on dates and times for each age group.
What academy league do World Class teams play in? Don't see listed in USDA.
SSC over Morris, really wont be that close as the SSC boys try to leave on a high note.
SJE vs Marlton, I really dont know what to think of this one. If Marlton scores the first goal the game is over as Marlton will turtle up their defense. If SJE scores the first goal, Marlton will panic and have to play soccer, SJE will win by 3 if they score first.
Parsippany over TSF by 3, not much of a threat here.
Marlboro over Howell by 2. This is a matchup of 2 average defenses as they are both giving up a lot of goals.
SSC boys leave what on a high note?You obviously think you know something that not even the SSC boys know.
I am a former SSC parent who left the club for logistical reasons (a good program, but was just too darn far for me to travel ). So I don't know too much about this year, but I can tell you this . They don't place high emphasis on spring US club state cup at most age groups. Coaches tend to experiment with lineups and give B team players a call up to the expanded roster to see what they can do. For that reason Morris does have a chance. Fall state cup is a different story. Being that they are already ticketed for regionals, their focus will be preparing for Rhode Island. I for one wish them good luck there!
BS SSC, dont try and play that card. If Morris beats you they will have deserved to and SSC would have put their best foot forward.
Why don't you little boys wait until after the game is played to settle your petty spat. These games aren't even this weekend for crying out loud.
Of course SSC will field strongest team possible and play their best. That said, I guarantee you they place more emphasis on their EDP league games than US club soccer NJ cup games.
That's just the way soccer is. Within any club at any level priorities exist. Is it win at all costs or player development? Results are prioritized and put into tiers. Man. U may put winning domestic league title ahead of cup competitions, while Chelsea may want to win a Cup. It's to each his own.
Marlton loud and out. Parents you need to relax You looked ok but nowhere near what u believe
Can someone explain how PDA Rooney is in the U14 gotsoccer rankings? Was PDA rostering older players and get caught?
Who won, Marlboro or howelll?
Howell 2-1.
what about top-level edp play this weekend? Any scores?
Not sure pda cares about being caught at anything. Not worried about the date of birth date/numbers, just the numbers on the check after $
Didn't pda forfeit some games last year for carding issues?
know nothing about pda Rooney, but lots of mishaps/ mistakes/ miscommunication at pda. Seems to be a pattern. My name is pda and I am an ____________
Stronghold 2-0 FSA
so. Much for marlton winning,,, their kick run game could not buy them a goal...
Not sure why all the animosity with marlton. They are a good team and play a nice game.
Who won the Marlboro Marlton game?
Did we loose a poster because Marlton lost?
No I think we loose a Marlboro poster if they loose to Marlton.
Or we lose no poster bc no one is that stupid to write such a thing and b from that town.
EDP scores
SDFC 1 World Class 0
SSC 2 FSA 0
NYFC 3 Manhattan 1
Downtown 2 Ironbound 1
Any reason why NJX is allowed to play in EDP? This is supposed to be the cream of the crop, not anyone who applies. They cant compete at this level and it is making a joke of EDP.
NJX is not in the top flight of EDP
I thought we were done with NJX but what is your point. NJX is not in the top flight meaning what? It is ok for a team that is now top 40-50 in NJ to play in the premier league? Other second flight teams beat the first flight teams while NJX cant keep a reasonable scoreline without the opposition playing keep away.
For their own good, they should witdraw and play in mid flights of MAPS, even there they could have problems.
Although EDP is a good competitive league, wouldn't it be nice to have a super flight of NJ teams , or a NJ Premier league of non USDA teams?
My top 10: ( humbly submitted )
1) SSC- won state cup; lead EDP top flight
2) SDFC- right up there at top of EDP
3)SJE - holding their own in top flight of EDP
4)Ironbound - tough losses lately in EDP but still a good skillful team
Hope no obvious ommissions, sorry in advance!
5)Howell - state cup finalist gotta mean something
6)PDA - a bit Jekyl and Hyde , but still good most of the time
7)Marlboro- on their good days can hang with the top teams
8)Parsippany - watch out for this new kid on the block
9)Hudson - up and coming team
10)Marlton- kick and run style does have some merits
Enough of the kick and run BS you people keep throwing at Marlton. Have you seen them play lately? Marlton is a skilled team. You want kick and run, see Howell. Howell has almost no soccer skills but man they are great at kick it far. Dont get me wrong, Howell is still a winning team and can beat anyone on anyday as they have proven, its just ugly. The only team you may have left out is BOCA, and that is a maybe.
Stan, why are you so mad?
Battle of the NJ Premier this weekend.
SDFC vs SSC
SDFC v SSC also the battle for first place in EDP, although World Class and NYSC also in the hunt.
What's with PDA Rooney now ranked in U 14 B , anyone know anything about this ?
Ok, so instead of kick and run, let's call it a more direct style of play. Are we all happy now ?
SDFC / SSC should be a good one as always between these two.
Can anyone answer about PDA Rooney???
Any predictions for the clash between these two giants?
Marlboro Marlton tied 1-1. Pretty darn good game between two good teams. Marlton was up 1-0 a good portion of the game. Marlboro then scored on a nice direct right outside of the box on a fairly lame handball call. Before u even go there, not an excuse, but the refs blew (for both sides). Either way, evenly matched and a good game. I'm sure someone will find a way to make some ignorant comment to make about my post, but whatever...have fun.
Zorro and captain America will win this weekend 1-0
Zorro and capt America prob more worried about SDFC game on Sunday , not meant to put down STA, it's just a bigger game for them this weekend.
Bigger games for SSC are Nysc and world class. They have played 1 less game than sdfc and have same amount of points.
NJ Force making a big announcement soon. Stay tuned.
Marlboro/ Marlton was a good game. Teams were evenly matched. Both goals were from direct kicks. Marlboro scored on a nice direct kick outside the box and Marlton had a great lob finished off by a nice header. Couple of yellows but nothing crazy.
All games in the EDP top flight are big games. If you don't bring your A game to each one , you can get beat by anyone in the flight.Ironbound may be the most dangerous " last place " team you'll find anywhere.
NJ FORCE BIG ANNOUNCEMENT : WE WILL NOT CLOG THIS FORUM WITH NONSENSE!
I'm just commenting to get the count off of 666 and ironic that the #666 was associated with NJ Farce.
Now that is funny.
Looks like Stan is rage posting AGAIN!
I agree, it doesn't matter in what position you are in EDP premier. All games are good and all teams are good. SDFC and SSC are no exception.
Who is Stan ? what club? just curious
to the above: Who cares about getting credit on this blog. Credit counts most on the pitch. Speak softly but carry a big swift Kick !
Den of Lions 2 Stallions 0 just finished watching it live.
The same Den of Lions who lost to SSC 2-1 at the IB tournament? That area always has quality players.
den of lions, hans soliz, nj force should all play in super group instead of premier.
what happens in consolation bracket of state cup? The winner is simply best of the rest?
DOL, NJ Force both are decent teams, but unless they planned on losing in the first round, the lower level cup was the correct choice for them.
Both teams are on the right track.
Really? Please explain how that is. By right track you mean they need to take players from existing teams?
Happy wife equals happy life.
NJ Force, DOL are in fact on the right track.......to win the NIT.
I love that tournament but I thought this was a soccer blog? Is NJF and DOL branching out into basketball too? Talk about a whacky Friday.
Really? Now teams get punished on this forum for winning in a tournament that is not the top flight? So you have to be in the Super Group to get credit?
According to Stan, it appears so.
I think that you can get credit for being in the lower tournament. I just don't think you can be considered in the discussion of the top teams in the State. Let's face it, if your coach doesn't think you belong there why should anyone else. I also think that the lower tournament was for lower teams. I don't believe it was designed for a team like Hudson to blow out the competition.
I agree with the statement but if this is a top 10 team discussion only forum maybe it needs to be labeled as such so the teams below #10 can find another place to spend their time posting without being told by some that they aren't up to snuff? I think the DOL win was pretty solid against a team who just beat Howell last week. So they arent top ten but that win shows me they are in fact on the right track.
Are you aware of who actually played for Howell in that game? Come on, get a grip.
No we don't. Please inform the posters of who played so we can determine just how many kids where actually missing from the starting 11
Everyone NJ Force thanks you for all the concerns about our group. We are just fine at 14, just like we will be at 15, 16, 17 etc. We are talking about 14 year old players. Who cares if you are top at 14? Is this where your soccer career ends? We at NJ Force are developing nicely. We hit a rough patch in the beginning of the spring but we are coming along nicely, but again thank you for all your concerns. Also if you would like to tryout come on down to Edison Monday night 7 to 8:30. Thanks
The end of the road isn't at U-14 for all people. For Holmdel NJX the end of the road was U-12.
Tryout, why. To play for a coach who is a nice guy but really cant bring the players to the next level? To stand next to a group of out of control fathers?
14 doesn't matter, isn't that what you said when they were 12, that 12 didn't matter.
Force you are always so quick to reply, you must live on this site.
Stan why are you so mad?
I am willing to bet that there will be over 30 kids trying out for the NJ Force team on Monday. Force is just fine.
Time to take some control Joe.
I think the coach of Force can take the players to the next level because he played at the next level and the level after that. The coach doesn't stand with father's, he is by himself on the sideline. He rid himself of the fathers and the non sense. Again thank you everyone for caring so much about the Force.
I think the coach of the force just patted his own back.
Howell lost to NJSA, can the guy or girl who said they didn't have all their players tells us bloggers how many of the starting 11 were missing?
U14B- Competition is thick, diverse and talented.
Competition is thick:
all top 10-15 teams are competitive
Diverse: maybe only 2-3 teams look diverse.
Talented: how many teams can boast that every player on the team has the footskills to play technical soccer? not many...
Force...just play the game and dont be bothered. Becareful you play in the state cup soon. And if you lose they'll eat you up here.
No we won't. They are playing in the JV tournament
Howell lost to NJSA, can the guy or girl who said they didn't have all their players tells us bloggers how many of the starting 11 were missing
Will Hudson win the state cup?
DOL should have been the underdog in the match vs Stallions. And they won. They are the underdog vs Hudson at the semis. Who has Hudson beaten to prove they are favored?
Force 2 - East Brunswick 0
Wow force won an NIT game
Relax Stan it was an informative post only.
Looks like STA played SSC to a tie yesterday and lost in pk's. How was the game?
Congrats Force. You scored within the first 5 minutes? Heard it was physical and not as technical. Luckily the other team scored an own goal. Good luck the rest of the way.
East Brunswick needs a bigger smarter faster goalie if they want to compete with the big boys.
In edp play: SDFC 2 - SSC 1
Any other scores?
Hudson wins again. Believe
SSC had two great games over the weekend. Have to give STA lots of credit for a tremendous effort, scoring first and pushing the Falcons to the brink of elimination, before falling 4-3 on PK s. in US club state cup. Sunday's match was a classic SDFC / SSC EDP battle with a little bit of everything, which made it a great match. SSC dominated first half and went up 1 - 0 (there was a disallowed offside goal for SDFC and two missed PK s for SSC on obvious handball and blatant foul in box by SDFC making it a wild and crazy first half of soccer. Score could have been 3-1)Second half more settled down, with SDFC playing better.A scrappy own goal equalized mid way through the half, setting up a thrilling last 20 minutes with good end to end action and scoring chances by both teams. SDFC netted the winner on a beautiful goal with about 5 minutes remaining. Both teams had some key guys missing, but still was a great game and shows the depth and talent of both sides.
News has reported that a referee died as a result of being punched by a player in another state. No player, coach, referee or parent should ever take to physical violence but can the ref be the cause to bring the level of frustration to that level? I recently witnessed a game where the referee had every person elevated because he lost complete control of the game. I am of the understanding that there is no evaluation of referees performance at all. Would you agree that coaches should be have to provide performance feedback after games? If there is a resounding yes, what can we do to institute this in NJ?
Warrington 4-1 over Lehigh
Marlboro 4-2 over PDA
HBC 2-0 over Howell
SJEB 3-2 over TEYSA
Marlboro 8-0 over Ridgefield (is that a correct score?)
FSA 4-0 over IB
Maybe Hudson is for real. Need to look into this.
Krystal Ball's new NJ Top Ten
1 SDFC- just beat SSC 2-1; recent head to head counts most
2 SSC - fall state cup champs; looking to double this spring
3 Marlboro- good runs in fall and sping state cups; some impressive results
4- SJEB- good results in EDP south
5-Howell - fall finalist
6-Marlton- good run to spring final four
7-STA- playing SSC tough shows you belong
8-Ironbound-recent string of tough losses
9-PDA- good fall; so so spring
10-Parsippany- new kid on the block
To answer 5/5 ( 8:25 )
STA v SSC was pretty good game. STA well coached and well prepared. Good keeper, well organized defense, and a dangerous striker ( who scored the first goal ). SSC responded with a nice goal within five minutes and that was all the scoring in a very tight game.Only ten min of OT too short in my opinion. In the PK lottery SSC won 4 - 3 . Overall SSC was the slightly better team.
No Hudson?
PDA at 9? Too high.
SJEB is decent but IB is better
Which of these teams are going to be competitive next year? Best teams will lose best players to Red Bulls. Will they disband or replace from next level of teams?
SDFC and SSC are 1 & 2 no matter how you cut it. I will give them 1 and 1A as a matter of fact.
3 - Howell - Recent success in State Cup shows they can win on the big stage and that is what matters.
4 - Marlboro - Still can't win the big game but are very consistent across the board. More talented then Howell but can't get it done when it matters.
5 - SJEB - Coming on strong. Big win against Marlton. 2 more State Cup wins and they will move to #3.
6 - Marlton - Not top 5 talent. Their style wins them games. Last time I checked winning gets you ranked. So keep doing your thing Marlton.
7 - Parsippany- Coming on Strong. Big wins as of late. Proving they belong.
8 - Ironbound - Moving out of the top 10 before they are moving into top 5. Still deserve to be there though.
9 - BOCA - Still have my doubts, but they are competing with the top teams. Big wins against Howell, PDA and Southhampton. Tough PK losses to Howell and Ironbound in State Cup. Their results are proving that they belong.
10 - Hudson - The only reason I put them here is to let them know that you shouldn't get respect as a top 10 if you aren't going to compete in the State Cup with them. If you don't believe in your abilities why should anyone else?
Boca? NJ Force is better and neither belong. PDA is missing and should be in there.
On what grounds is NJ Force better then Boca? Their 2-1 loss to TRFC United. PDA has a lot of weak losses including a 1-0 loss to Boca which is why I didn't put them in. My top 10 isn't based on what teams did last year, however on what they are doing now.
I would still put SSC as 1, just because Chelsea beat Man U this past weekend does not make them best team in the EPL.
Has SSC ever beaten SDFC?
Enough of BOCA and Force, each needs 3 strong additions and then they can compete with anyone.
I have to agree with above
EDP game above listed as 8-0. IMO if you are in EDP and losing by 8 you should be taken out of EDP. EDP was formed as an elite league, losing by 8 proves you are not elite. Why waste everyone's time.
Sure the top teams will "loose" some players to academies, but I look at that as a positive not negative. They have developed talented players who can make the jump to the next level and should be commended for that. If SDFC , SSC, IB, etc loose players , they'll still be good due to remaining core and additions from both outside and within their clubs.
Be honest SSC, really dig down and be honest. You are losing players to RB and they are good players, but no better then 50 other players that didn't try out for RB. That isn't a cut on those players leaving you but don't go crazy with your development theory.
so when SSC has three players good enough to train at Red Bulls plus another six training at Philly Union, thats not good development?Now you really dig down and be honest, isn't nine academy level players from one program good development?Our coaches have done an excellent job developing our boys, some since U 10.
If you think there are fifty other players in ths age group who could just waltz in and make RB 98 ' then you are dellussional!
Ok, lets look at that. You have 9 academy level players and you don't win every game handily against these so called top teams? Do you think RB and PDA would ever lose to these teams? I would think you should be doing better with these academy level players on your team.
That wasn't the point. There ARE 50 other players as good as if not better then the SSC players going to RB. You don't have to agree with it, but that doesn't make you right. I could take the top 3-4 players off of each EDP team alone and they are, with few exceptions, as good or better. There are also some players that don't play an EDP schedule that are just as good.
The point is 1) we don't have our academy players at every game this spring, and have been getting respectable results anyway 2)if you think there are 50 players in EDP or any other flights in NJ better than # 99, 8, and 9 on SSC Falcons then you are entitled to that opinion, but I'd take those three over most in this age group
And you should, you know them. They are fine players. I guess we should be happy that our area has an abundance of good players.
6 training at Philly Union. Where do these people live? Either way, must be spending their lives in a car as Philly Union and SSC are not next door to one another.
trying to make sense of the ssc = manu post above. has ssc already locked up the edp?
Players training at Phila Union? Not sure if that means anything. Are they even in the Pre-Academy League? Even if they are, Academy League is like La Liga/Bundesliga - 2 teams by far at the top (RB/PDA) and every other teams way below.
Philly Union has 3 homegrown players, they each make about 62k per year. Yes, this soccer thing is the way to go.
This year Philly Union is club neutral, players train, compete in some tournaments and games, but are released back to play with DELCO, PDA, PENN FUSION , SSC etc.
Next year they will play full academy schedule down into U 14 ranks.
Tough to put PDA 98 on same level with Red Bull, score was 5 - 1 on Sunday
I agree with above post, glad we have many good players in this age group, but to imply that there are 50 better than the three center mids who were at the heart of their state cup run is just ridiculous. Where are those fifty? why aren't their teams winning it all if they are better?
No one has EDP locked up, it is wide open, especially after 2-1 SDFC win over SSC. But in all fairness to SSC, I don't think they ever claimed they had it locked up.
50 as good or better is what was said. It also didn't say 50 better center mids, it said 50 players.
50 mids, 50 players, doesn't matter, a RIDICULOUS claim!
Yeah I agree with you. I suppose your son leads the top fifty players who are better.
So what is your point? OK there are fifty players better in NJ than the top 3 on the state cup champs, you are so right. Now just round them up, hold a tryout, hire a coach, no better yet you coach the team because you are such an expert, and we'll see you as the state cup champs next year.
What happened to Ridgefield? They were claiming superior soccer skills once upon a time? I think lack of commitment, no team unity and possibly mediocore coaching. Need to bring your A game every weekend to compete in EDP.
So what you are saying is that the SSC coach only wins because he recruits the best players? Sounds like a PDA complaint to me.
All, I believe we can all agree that SSC has some real good players. I think we can all agree that many teams have some real good players. Hell, even the battered Ridgefield team mentioned above has a player that is exceptional. Are there 50 like the poster stated? I don't know, but there are a lot. Will any of this amount to much, no. If you are from the US playing soccer your chances of making money in it are beyond slim to none. Give the SSC kids some credit, at least they wont have to pay SSC anymore and they can play for free at RB.
Take this as a great experience of playing soccer at the age of 14. Claim that you won a state cup or you almost beat the #1 team in NJ. They will be life long experiences. Some player may make it beyond our expectations and time will only tell. But reality is it will only be a memory. Bash every team you want but all youre doing is boosting your ego.
Let us enjoy our wins, draws or losses.
Last comment implied Sdfc is number one team in the state? If that's the case that won't last much longer they will be the new homdel. Sdfc is imploding from within, they already lost a few key players due to internal problems. they will be lucky if they have a team next year.
To the above post about Phila Union salaries and this "soccer thing is the way to go," take a look at current MLS salaries.
http://www.mlsplayers.org/salary_info.html
Thierry Henry and Robby Keane are making big $ and a few others are doing very well. But that's it. Vast majority are well below that - and that's probably as high as they'll go, for a career that last about what - 5 years? Not sure about MLS and their Academies/Pre-Academies as a career track for financial reasons. But if the kids love the sport and are good enough to make it -- fine.
Yes salaries are low, but after thier 5 year stint they can come back as coaches and trainers and rake in the big bucks from bonehead parents who will pay anything thinking thier kid is all that. They can even make more money if they put on a fake english accent!
you obviously don't know the SSC coach who started this team from scratch for his youngest son at U 9. Did other good players join in? Of course,but not through any PDA type poaching or recriuting. AS to the above about not paying at SSC and playing at RB or Union for free, well that's the whole idea, isn't it? FYI it was our coach who made the contacts and recommendations for these players at RB and Union. He feels that's his job : to help players reach the next level.BTW don't be surprised if some stick around as many want to play in HS.
Good luck SSC, I hope you do stay together, there are many boys out there that now want no part of the academies and do want to play HS soccer.
I agree the high school experience can be very rewarding. BTW the SSC BU14 coach also happens to be a very good HS coach at a top 20 program.
wonder how many SSC Falcons will be attending GSB this fall?
The more, the merrier, and probably a better HS team too
Private school, right? If so there are loopholes to allow them to play even if they are on an academy team. However, isn't there a rule that states you cant play club and HS for the same coach?
No club rule but a high school rule. The players can stay together but will need a new club coach.
I heard at least six Falcons going to GSB. That will be a hell of a hs team a couple of years from now.
Forget a couple of years from now. Some are good enough to make HS impact right away. Besides he is known for playing underclassmen on varsity.
Private school.
It's all moot subject. SSC coaches flying to England today to replace Ferguson
I am pretty sure the original post "soccer thing is the way to go" was intended to be sarcastic. Good post from MLS Players Union though. Gotta' go overseas at this age to make a real living at the sport. Moral of the story is get an education.
There is a glimmer of hope, but probably too late for this age group. By 2016 there is a good chance Man City will have an MLS farm team out of Queens. In a few years everyone may be flocking to go to Queens instead of RB Academy with the dream of playing overseas for a world class club one day. That's a lot more interesting I admit, but I'd still work on the education.
I believe there are HS rules that would make having club team members playing for the same coach in HS an issue as someone prior posted. Does anyone have an answer to this?
Very simple..the ssc coach also coached thecurrent u15s..he stepped down after spring 2012 and hired an english trainer...same will happen with falcons.
And after he stepped down he had no interaction at all with the players?
no soccer interaction, meaning he can't coach them in hs off season. He can watch them play and can talk to them.
Once spring hs sports season is over , he can coach his hs players all summer long if he wants to.
Really,coaches and their staffs are not allowed to be present during workouts or informal practices prior to the official start of the season
The official start of the fall hs season is after the current spring hs season ends. this rule change was put in so players could attend summer camps with their hs coaches.
Are you sure about that?
pretty sure, i have seen public school varsity coaches actively coaching their teams at DTS summer league
I have to agree with the prior post, I don't believe that is allowed. Why do you think there are captains practices in the summer and the coach isn't allowed to be there?
A high school coach is allowed to coach his/her players in any sport during the summer. The HS restrictions are for out of season during the school year only . The term the high school federation uses is " summer recess" which begins after the final NJ spring state championship usually the Track Meet of Champions around June 8. So technically a varsity coach can practice with his team during mid-late June even before current school year ends. School insurance covers athletes during summer recess period. Not saying I agree or disagree with this policy but this is the rule and you can BANK on it.
It is allowed. My son has been playing with a group that gets together and plays during the summer
that is organized and coached by the HS. Varsity coach. All this with no cost except for Carding and tournament fee's. Great for the boys who would like to play in the summer and good for the coach as he can see them play at high level before HS season starts.
Summer varsity practices run by hs coach are totally legal!
Looks like some of you jumped the gun and assumed violations before checking the facts.So quick to pounce, Call of the lynch mob, you stand corrected!
Glad to hear this summer thing cleared up, because the coach from SSC / GSB is a class act , whether it be club or high school scene.
Not sure it never was cloudy, I think some people just asked questions.
Agree, just some questions out of curiousity and really not knowing. Glad a few were well aware of the rules. I think most in this age group would agree with the above that the SSC head coach is a class act.
Agreed. May want to look for a new manager though, he does like himself.
ok enough of the summer hs soap opera. Predictions for US club state cup this weekend?
Semis:
NJE 2 Howell 1
SSC 2 Parsippany 1
Final:
SSC 3 NJE 2
I think you mean SJE
I predict a repeat of fall state cup final. Howell beats SJE 3 1 , SSC beats Parsippany 2. 0. SSC edges Howell 2 1 to pull the double.
At the end of the day one thing cannot be denied, SSC is a very good town team., very good.
What town are they from? You must be an SSC hater..
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