Or, maybe they don't have the talent. Can still love the game.
What is FC Berna?
Strongholds quest of pretending to be an academy.
12:36 Good sense of humor. Really FC Berna!!!!
OK I have been reading this forum for awhile. Here is a reality check. Bethesda Academy..all 18 players on the U18 committed to a D1 school. Most of them top tier schools. How many of your players will play for Big 10 ACC Schools?http://www.bethesdasoccer.org/Default.aspx?tabid=280004
1% probably. All this banter is actually pointless. Boy's should be focusing on education. That is the only thing which will matter for the vast majority of these kids.
FC Bernal is another established club that SSX merged with. Not an attempt to act like a academy
If so good in development why merge
They merged because they now have a feeder program and doubled their age groups....momoney
True That program is great
Great program? Where? Who? please advise
Stop the SSC hate please. My son plays and it is a good program. Yes, they added players. Yes it will be difficult for some to get play time now, but isnt that what you want? Competition will bring out the best in all. We hold no ill feelings toward SDFC or Marlboro unlike the earlier posts would suggest. Both are excellent teams and will challenge us. Again, isnt that what we want.
I dont think anyone ever said that SSC wasnt a good program. The issue is that they claim to develop and really what they do is add players from other programs. See merger. It isnt wrong, just understand who you are. Good luck to your son, and hopefully he isnt pushed out as they keep bringing new players in.
Pray tell what program grows players and keeps them til college..it is all a free for all with us parents drinking the cool aid.
Yes, but if you are a top team/program like SSC why would you have room for 4 new additions?
Every team will make moves for an impact player. Every team. SSC is no different then any other so that should not be held against them. The issue comes into play when they or anyone starts offering up a position and they already have 18+ kids. I know teams are moving to the 22 player number, but that doesnt make it right. It shouldnt even be allowed.
Maybe that roster of 22 is what SSC is doing. Many teams are doing it, some even have more. NOt sure why anyone would want to be on a team where there are that many players but seems like it is happening.
Absolutely a money thing. My son was on a team where he was playing 5 min a game. The coach kept telling me he's a good player. Made no sense to anyone, Finally, we got tired of their excuses and left. Shame on clubs who take advantage of people this way.
Reality is that if your son was playing 5 minutes a game, you didnt need to ask the coach anything. His actions told you what he really thought of his ability and how he could help the team win. Why would you believe the coach when in fact he was trying to ask him to leave.How is it a money thing? There will always be a last man on the roster, regardless of the size of the roster.
They wanted our money and kept lying to our faces. You don't call that a money thing? How could you even think this is acceptable?
When choosing a club there are no guarantees of play time made in most cases but at the end of the day the cream rises and the lead sinks unless there is a player/coach issue. Before agreeing to any team that's not town based you need to grasp this concept first before wasting your $$. Not saying the coach is right for taking him just saying its to be expected when your son is on the bubble.
They kept lying to your faces? Meaning you kept speaking to the coach? At this age, if the player has an issue, he needs to address it. NOT Mom or Dad. If they kept telling you that he was doing fine and still didnt play him then in all honesty you are the dope here. Why did you believe the coach? Proof is in the play time and he proved to you every game that your son was not needed or wanted. You chose to continue.
In this case there was a guarantee of playing time so please stop acting like you know the situation.It's a long story and I'm definitely not explaining it to an ignorant person like you. Let me guess, you're a coach who does this all the time and you see no problem with it. Speaks a lot about your and your club's integrity.
NOT a coach. You had a guarantee of playing time? No good coach would do that, so you have that on your side. If there was a guarantee then why did you have multiple conversations about it? First game after the guarantee you knew you didnt get what you thought yet it kept happening and you continued to believe them. Too many holes in your story, sorry not believable.
1:25 may be a bit to direct and you might not like their approach but they do make a good point. You should have known after game 1.
in defense of the parent - what was he supposed to do after the coach started playing his son only 5 minutes a game? The son is carded, he is basically locked in to that team for the season (all the other teams are full up). You talk as if he has all these options. You really don't. When the season is over - then you can move. Not clear to me why you are busting balls over this.
Who says he didnt leave, in fact his orignal post states he did leave. To answer your question, yes you can leave. US Club, which most teams utilize mainly, is very easy to manipulate and change. The point I was trying to get across to him was that no coach would play someone 5 minutes a game if they wanted him to stay. They wanted him to leave and the coach didnt have the balls to tell the parent. He didnt want to see it. I do feel bad for the kid, I am sure he is just like any other kid and just wants to play.
No one is locked into playing with a club for an entire season. There is a process you can follow to remove a player off any roster as long as you honor the monetary terms of the contract. Assuming you're paid up and not playing why would the club hold you? That part doesn't make sense. Perhaps the club wanted the $ for the release?
Not a lot of it makes sense, of course he could have left. Seems to be a star in parents eyes but not in the coaches eyes. Coach always wins.
1:51 I go even further and say they should off known before the season started. All you have to do is watch a few practices and from there you can gauge more or less where your kid is going to be on the lineup. If you are the 14 player and below on that roster you know playing time is going to be limited. Anyway, I don’t think a coach should guarantee any kid playing time, if a coach does that then he is not a good coach.
If the coach is only playing his #14 player for 5 mins on a roster of 18 I would assume the ones below that player would also be getting little or no time as well. In that case its the coaches fault for filling the bottom portion of his roster with below average players for the purpose of collecting a check. In that scenario the club is guilty as charged.
No one said he was the #14 player, that was an example. No #14 player is getting 5 minutes per game. 5 minutes per game is as good as saying, hey player will you please leave because we dont have a spot for you.
Can't argue with that thinking.
Looking out for your son is never a bad thing. Just don't blindly believe everything you hear, but do believe what you see.
Most every team has a player that does not receive a lot of play time and the parent believes his son/daughter is a top 5 player on the team. We all look at our own with rose colored glasses on.
Glasses or not it's poor business for the coach to not openly communicate the play time issue honestly with the parents and player. Coach should have said Little Tommy isn't playing because he's not good enough. If you have another team we will let him go. If you don't you should start looking for one because we are moving on without him. To bench a kid and keep quiet is an awful coaching practice.
9:57 you are correct. However, in the scenario that was given I am more apt to believe that the parent heard what he/she wanted to hear. I put full responsibility on the parent because after one discussion with the coach he still played 5 minutes. Seeing is believing! I can only assume that it is over now and this boy has found a new team.
New to this forum. Does anyone know anything about the U16 MFA team?
Yes, I know about the U16 MFA team. It currently has 16 committed players, most from the '99 Academy team and some kids from the '98 team. Also picked up a couple of kids from PDA and other good teams. This team last played together in the Delco Cup and made it to the finals in top bracket, and also played in the National final of Super Y a couple of summers ago. Should be a very competitive team in EDP. Think they are looking to add 2-3 more players.
MF has not been mentioned on this site and within 40 minutes you get an answer? That is because you answered your own question. You are weird.
Why would someone pay MF Academy prices and not get the Academy benefits? You should just call yourself Cranbury again.
Match Fit, I wish you the best of luck, but really are you selling what you did a year ago and a couple of summers ago? You are not even close to having the same team and you lost key players. I am sure you will be fine, but take a step back before NJX comes on here telling us how good they were years ago too. Again, good luck but please dont act like NJX or pretend not to be looking for players. Be better.
Wow, 26minutes after my post I have 3 sngry replies. And I am weird? Yes a couple of players are not with the team from back then but we picked up a few. Not looking to fight, call MF and check, we are looking for 2-3 more players just like every other team at this stage. See you all in the Spring and good luck with your high school seasons!
No, you were called out on asking the question and then in return answering it. Yes you did.
Do you know any way that I could prove you wrong? If so I would be happy to do it.
To 1:25's point. MF has not been discussed on this forum and in 1/2 hour 2 MF posts one answering the other appeared. I, like 1:25 and the prior poster find it to be very fishy and if it stinks like fish it is fish. Dont worry, you are not the first to try, you just didnt do a good job at it. So, to answer your question, no I do not think there is a way to prove it and I would not try. Lets just move on.
In defense of 12:22, I'm 11:40. My son plays in PA now and is looking for a new team. I see the MFA trains in Mercer County and that's not a terrible commute to make if the MFA team is a good one. So thank you 12:22 for your input. I probably will avoid using this forum in the future. Good luck all.
We have a few kids from PA., Bucks County area. May help with the commute if you decide to give MF a shot.
Lol. U did it again.
4:02 you should give MF a try. Very good organization and very good coaches. My son played there and we liked very much. Only left because the commute was a bit too far.
MF a good organization you say. Please give some examples of how they are. What has MF done to gain that reputation in your mind.
Everyone has a different experience. For us, was the fact that my son enjoyed playing with the kids there, team was good, my son liked his coach very much and he thought he was very good. Also, everyone from the president, DOC and other coaches knew who your kid was. We did not few our kid was just a number.
Match Fit does not have a strong reputation. They do have a reputation for taking entire teams and calling them theirs. Not much development going on with that business model. Fake academy at best.
And what academy do you know develops a good number of their players. Most players when they go to an academy already have the soccer skills and that is how they were able to make the academy team in the first place. If you check the roster of Red Bulls,PDA, NJCSA, CSA most of their players come from somewhere else within the pass one or two seasons.
Point was, I believe, that MF would always take a team and call it theirs while RB, PDA would take individual players. If you are paying you are not in a real academy system.
MF was officially kicked out form the academy system last year
Wrong you are.
Will you explain please because I was told that Match Fit will continue as a club but has lost academy status.
To be an academy team at Match Fit, there has to be no cost to the player. See Red Bulls. For the most part they told everyone that they would not be on an academy team any longer but the U15 boys for example pay nothing and are in the academy system.
As an update, Stronghold did add some additional players and will be better then ever. Added resources will allow players to compete to even be on the game day roster. Looking forward to HS season but really cant wait until it is over.
Waw, better then ever. Our teams better watch out now!!!
stronghold is pre-season favorite to win it all
Stronghold is the greatest. Just ask them!
Doubt if above posts are from stronghold, just the usual of someone trying to stir things up
I agree that they are all not from SSC, but to think that none of them are is naive. Stronghold does think they are at the top, just speak to them and they will tell you.
Any HS teams projected to be elite this year?
CBA is supposed to have a very good team this fall.
Gill St. Bernard should be a team that no one will want to play. Good talent, work well together.
Montclair High... Loads of SDFC and TSF players of all ages.
That makes sense 1:08, good luck to Montclair HS.
Montclair HS boys are doing so far this season 3-0
West Orange vs Montclair this Tuesday. Both are 4-0 I believe. Should be an interesting game. Both sides carry SDFC, TSF, PDA players....
What is the big deal about TSF and PDA non academy players? They are fine but nothing special.
They're good club players and when you put them all together, the results are interesting.
Depends if the coach plays them. Some HS coaches play Sr's and Jr's regardless of skill level. Some HS coaches play the big kids, some look for speed and dont care about footwork. Most HS coaches dont know where to play them and put defenders at forward. Comical.
True. HS soccer is very different from club. HS Coaches try to make up for lack of skill with physical play. I've seen good players get injured playing HS soccer.
Montclair High school boys now 5-0
Go Montclair HS!!!!
Regarding post above asking about tsf "non-academy" players. tsf isn't an academy - even if they use the term - so all their players are non-academy.
No kidding it says TSF and PDA non academy players.
They have great players but the coach is also excellent. He's had winning teams for about 20 yrs.
PDA is an official academy so they have academy players and non-academy players. TSF just pretends they're an official academy but don't let them fool you.
Who has great players? TSF or PDA Messi? IF they do have great players then they have coaching problems because neither team does anything well as a team.
I meant that Montclair HS has some good players but the Montclair HS coach is an excellent coach. He gets the best out of his players.
No such thing as a good HS coach.
You don't know him because if you did , you would know he's an excellent coach.
Really annoying. The stupid SDFC parents on here now talking about Montclair HS team. It's the same kids for the most part and neither team can win a championship in either league.
Why are you so annoyed and angry?...winning to me is the continuation of developing a player at this age, not just winning a tournament. I get it High School is not developmental, but SDFC is. Sometimes we take for granted the little things in life....let your child enjoy the moment wether winning or loosing, they both have learning curves.
The Montclair HS team isn't only SDFC. I recognize names from 5 different clubs on the roster.
Just let the boys enjoy playing and be happy for them.
11:13 "no such thing as a good hs coach". What a very narrow minded thing to say, especially when some top club coaches happen to be high school coaches as well....St Benedict's coach has done PDA and now Cedar Stars, Seton Hall Prep coach does Copa teams, Delbarton coach has done FCNJ teams, Gill coach is the coaching director of Stronghold SSC, Pingry ast coaches , who run the show there, have done PDA, Mo- Beard coaches run Jersey United, Princeton Day School coach is director of Matchfit, MKA coaches involved at TSF, Franklin coach does PDA teams, Bernards coach does FC Berna teams, .....the list can go on and on........
Well said, case close.
Yes you are right, of the thousands of High Schools there are 10 quality coaches. Moron.
SSC has many playing on one team also, I don't recall seeing a SSC post about their great HS team. Why does SDFC feel the need to constantly be on this site pounding their chest? I just don't get it.
Why don't you make one? I'm sure you'll get lots of support. Nobody's trying to say that one high school team is better than the other.
SDFC Some Day firstplace comes
Only moron is the one who uses it as a negative comment.
Seems like Montclair HS vs Gill would be an SDFC V SSC reunion match.
Reunion of what? Reunion of a regular season game? When have they played in a championship game?
It is a shame that one parent on SDFC scars all the others. SDFC is a very good team, very good. SDFC does not need the self promotion yet one person cant stop, and now they have taken the over the top posts to their sons HS team. Stay classy SDFC, this isnt _ _ _!
i believe SDFC and SSC have played in a few finals....state cup final at least twice both NJ and US Club, as well as some tournament finals.
Yes, love those U12 years.
SSC and SDFC still are the best two teams in the state and top 10 in the region.
Marlboro is right up there with them. A very strong team.
Not sure, but maybe. I still think SSC or SDFC would win the majority vs Marlboro but Marlboro would be a good opponent. I also dont know the changes that these teams have made, maybe they added, maybe they lost a player or two.
We'll see. Some people are so over confident. (SSC)
Of course we will see. We will all see after the games are played of course. Does not change the fact that the better rosters are SSC and SDFC.
Actually SSC doubled at U 14 , SDFC doubled at U 13, those U 12 years you love are NJX who doubled U12 and U 11.
I agree, both SDFC and SSC still have the most talented non academy rosters in this age group. But that does not guarantee automatic success.
Definitely no guarantee of success. Marlboro and Sounders are quality clubs as well.
Sounders???? Did I miss 11 new players going there.
Yes you did miss something. Players left and new players came in. Sounders are a different team now and i think u will be surprised at what you will now see.
Who did the Sounders get (not names but from where). SSC and from what I have heard SDFC and Marlboro added. I guess that is just the way at U16.
There are always good players around looking for teams. Anyone who thinks they know every player in this age group is wrong.
Of course no one knows everyone. If anyone knows of any player that is still looking and is a great player there is room on some top teams still available I am sure. Didnt tournaments raise the max player number to 22 now? I dont agree with it, why make 6-7 kids angry every game.
It's not only the kids, it's also the parents. You can end up paying a lot of money to see your child very sad because he never plays in the games.
If you don't play, move. Simple
Problem is some games he plays some games he does not. There is no consistency with it. Maybe this year will be different, but new players have joined so maybe it wont.
If you're not a starter and the team is 22+ players, you probably won't see much playing time but clubs wants your money so they'll tell you to stay.
12:08, that is not a true statement. What if you are player # 12-16? You will play a lot, wont you? If you are 18-22, what are you doing?
Maybe, but my son was on a team where the coach only played the starters all the time and subs only when the starter was injured or absent. He was a win at all costs coach and I thought his methods were awful.
How is a player supposed to know what # he is on the roster?
You know where you fall in the pecking order unless u are new. How don't u know
You know if a player is #16 or #18?Wow, you are an expert. Is that # set in stone?
If you question it, then you are in the wrong place (if you want to play)If you are there for development, different story.
Game time is also important for development.
I agree that playing in games is also important in developing a good player. I don't understand why some people insist that only practice matters. What kind of message is a player getting who never plays in games and how could that be helping his development? He might as well just quit now.
When you walk into a team, by the 5 practice/first scrimmage you should know where your son is on the pecking order. Come on, by this age you should know your kid's talent and where he fits best. I know we all think our little Johnny is the next best thing, but you should not take little Johnny to a team where most of the players are better than him. He may be good enough to make that team, but may not be good enough to crack the top 14 and if that is the case, have a nice time riding the bench. As parents we should do our research first, find out how good the team is, how many players they have and etc...
How can you research such a thing. For example, I think we would all agree that to be on the SSC roster you must be a very good player. With that as a fact, you now have 18 very good players! How do they all get substantial play time? They cant. Good team, good program, good coaching, not playing. What do you do?
There are really only a few rosters in NJ that "in order to play" you better be REAL GOOD. Other then SDFC, SSC, Marlboro, SJEB, Marlton and maybe Morris you should get plenty of play time on any other team if you have some skill.
8:14 go to gotsoccer.com and check the team profile, see how they have done is the last year, see how many players they have. Drive by one of their practices and see what type of talent you see out there, talk a parent whose kid is on the team while you are there, maybe even talk directly to the coach.
If a player is on a team where he's not getting a lot of playing time he should keep working hard for the remainder of the season. If his playing time doesn't improve by the end, then he should leave, He made the team fair and square. Nobody can predict the future.
HS season ending for some real soon. Time to gear up for some real soccer and not the send it BS I have seen.
It's incredible how poor the quality of high school soccer is. Long ball, selfish players with way too many touches who then get dispossessed, tons of dangerous tackles, etc etc. Can wait for it to be over and for real soccer to start.
HS coaches are to blame. Listen to the players they know who should play where and how
What is the first/earliest tournament for U16 teams to go to this year?
There's an EDP College Showcase Nov 22-23.
Is that the earliest tournament that is available for these boys?
Bethesda is coming up around the same time too.
Bethesda is too far for my team, but thanks.
The Maps fall challenge is Nov. 15-16 at Fort Dix.
Why do some NJ teams go to Bethesda, MD for a tournament? There are plenty of quality tournaments here.
On that date? No. Now you know
5:43 Plenty of tournaments here? At what level does your team play?
Isn't Bethesda an ECNL club?
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