There will never be anything interesting on any NPL team.
At this one age group there will be a lot of junior in high school you here in the birth year that, for the first time, drop off the ecnl roster. This will be because they will be forced to tryout for the 98/99 u18 team next year. That team has been playing together for some time and now these youngest p layers in the age range will fall off the ecnl roster for a year until they try out for u18 again as the older since again. Meanwhile they will populate a u17 NPL team that may be unusually strong with these former ecnl players. Kind of analogous to the off year "pre- academy" phenomena for boys da. Always a strong u15 and u17 off year us club pre academy team that catches these players.
Blah, blah, blah....
Hope you have a 00 and not a 99 or play low level on a team that will"stay together"
I too am surprised the 99 ECNL u16 players aren't up in arms. How many of them will make the 98 roster let alone have anywhere near the same impact on the u17/18 teams next year? I agree lots of good but not great u17/18 NPL teams next year
SAC united a USYSA national league team goes 0-3 with -11 gd at WAGS. Very sad day when that's what is representing USYSAs best. Love the motto "earn your place" but apparently there isn't much left to compete for those "places".
Can't speak specifically for SAC United, but I do know that this time of year with girls playing high school as well as injuries can make it tough on some club teams. Would not be surprised if they were not at full strength as many other teams were not. I will say a middle of the pack National League team from last season and a current National League team this year in United FA looked dominant this weekend including a 3-2 win over a highly ranked ECNL team. I realize how easy it is to target one team and then make rash generalizations, but still plenty of very strong competition outside of ECNL. Teams playing ECNL as well as teams playing in the US Youth Soccer National League are all very fortunate. No reason to attack one or the other.
National League has been weakened with the addition of two of the top teams now to the ECNL JFC and TopHat. It is eroding. Definitely less competition than ECNL just a fact. I think Penn Strikers would do very well in ECNL. I do not think they would win the champions league since they largely struggled with FC VA last year and Fc VA was a very good, but not great ECNL team.
Tophat and JFC are dominating ECNL so far. I wonder if Tophat felt the competition was great when they beat Orlando City 7-0 or Carolina Elite 4-0. I wonder if JFC felt their ECNL game against GSA was competitive (another 7-0 game). I can look all over the ECNL and see blowouts here and there. I am not knocking the league, just saying because you have ECNL next to you name does not automatically make you great. There are plenty of strong non-ECNL teams as well as plenty of weak ECNL teams. Listen, there is both good and bad competition to go around for everyone! Sit back and enjoy your kid and her team! No need to trash other leagues.
Everyone knew the southeast conference was weak that's why they took jfc and tophat. I remember some pretty big blowouts for them last year in region 3 pl and national league. Probably will be interesting to check the goal differentials between the two and look at their showcase scores to compare to national league.
So I checked the region 3 premier league and national league standings for the last year. Tophat had a +29 GC and 7-0 record in the regional league and even more compelling a 7-0 +21 GD in the National league. The closest games in tournaments were largely against ECNL teams and one of the 2, RPL games that was within 2 goals was given to them by the Solar Chelsea B team. They had all tough games at USYSA nationals. Tying 2 (one to FC PA) and losing 1. Their ECNL record is 8-0-2 with a +18 GD. Yup first game 7-0 to OC, but they OC seem to be improving now. I am guessing that Tophat thinks that the ECNL, even in their weak conference, is better competition than both the more comparable R3PL and probably even the national league. PA strikers only competed with NEFC which is now out of USYSA into NPL and FC VA- now 100% ECNL and no longer participating in USYSA. YMS was decent competition, but they've broken up. Let's see who they have to compete with this year. Though having lost a few key players to the ECNL may make them less competitive too. Looks like the ECNL is winning the arms race for the top teams. I personally don't like it because I think a team should have to earn a spot to play top competition, but it is what it is. Teams getting reorganized next year so entirely different landscape after this season for our kids' last 2 years.
What happened to concerns for player development, I don't care what league they play in, isn't it about player development? people on here refer to these leagues like their daughters are playing professionally already. Come on now in a couple of years more than 50% of them probably wont be playing soccer. I guess for some they must think they need to be the best and do whatever they have to convince themselves it is the best. What a joke.
The competition level is directly related to the player's available developmental opportunity. To put it plainly for you who seems confused regarding the purpose of the discussion: if your child is consistently playing down a level, she is being robbed of developmental opportunity. That indeed is the point of the league related discussion. Hence, your 3:26 commentary is misdirected on your developmental "point". Further, your comments on development and player attrition are dichotomous. Who cares about development if the players are not going to play at the next level? Players playing for Tophat and Pa strikers will ALL play in college. The vast majority of the players on ECNL teams will play in college. Your commentary, as it were, sir or madame is the joke.
The biggest joke (but not necessarily a funny one) is when we deny ourselves of the reality that things are not the way they used to be. The shift of elite youth soccer away from USYS's regional / national leagues towards US Club's ECNL / NPL leagues has been happening for a number of years. This clearly shows that youth soccer is not a static environment but rather adaptable to changing wants and needs. And, in ten years from now things will inevitably be different from what they are today.There is a team for every level of player and leagues for all levels of teams. The challenge is to find the right team / league not to hope that they be something that they are not or used to be.Those who think otherwise have their heads stuck in the sand and are denying their players of developmental opportunities.
@3:26Player development is not that important if as you say, my kid has probably only has 2 years of playing soccer left. I guess it’s time to stop worrying about development and go out and play to win! Eleven years of development now go get’em girl!
let the girls play while they may. reality is in a few years some of them will lose interest with sports, hopefully for better reasons than injury. If or when that happens what will we as parents have to do? I am dreaded the day myself.
So we are starting to shift back to thoughts of club soccer and into a very important recruitment year. I am wondering if most of the people on this board expect their daughters to play in college? I also am wondering what they are doing to help them achieve this goal. Did the kids pick 10 (or some other finite number) schools to target/ Are they going or planning on going to ID camps? Are their club coaches reaching out to college coaches with whom they have established relationships or otherwise helping them along with the process? Are they planning on cold writing to coaches with their fall/winter schedule and showcases? Do many already have some established contacts? Are some "regular" kids being watched by the schools already? Do these kids prefer a school about which they knew nothing prior to the initial contact, but now are considering a school not previously on their radar, simply because of the soccer interest? Not concerned over ECNL or Non ECNL just what is the reality of kids at this point in their soccer adventure? I am not talking about national team kids, but kids in the next tier and below.
@8:14 - I know of kids on USYS teams that are in contact with coaches. Most of the girls have attended ID camps of the schools they are interested in, but the primary interest has come from coaches that have seen them play at tournaments or regional events. I think this is probably the most important factor, more so than attending an ID camp. Attending ID camps might get you on their radar, but they will want to know where the girls will be playing so they can watch them. Being able to play at events in the same geographic region as the school is also important, unless it's big enough to draw coaches from all over the country like Disney, or PDA.Some of the interest is coming from their targeted schools, and some is coming from schools that were off the radar initially. The schools range from D3 to top 25 D1 schools.I would consider them 'regular kids' - none have been to national camps, or even regional camps. Just good kids on a good team that plays at regional events.
@ 8:14, to answer a fewQ -“I am wondering if most of the people on this board expect their daughters to play in college?”A - My daughter wants to play in college, she has the skill but I give it a 50/50 chance that she ultimately follows through with the process.Q - “I also am wondering what they are doing to help them achieve this goal.”A – She has cold written several schools but is truly only interested in a few. She has been & will continue to attend school specific camps. She does not want to attend any camps that are not exclusive to that specific school.Q - Are their club coaches reaching out to college coaches with whom they have established relationships or otherwise helping them along with the process?A – No, not yet anyway. I trust that will start soon. Her coached was not in favor of freshmen getting to close to a school at that age. Q - Do many already have some established contacts?A – She has contact with one of her top choices, they want to see her SAT scores before proceeding further. It’s not a high level soccer school but they have high level academic standards. My daughter has what I consider a solid plan in place that started out with basics last year & ramps up till her Junior year when she is hoping to get some legit offers. She is by definition a “regular player” = not in the top group of top kids in our state but can play effectively with & against them.
(1) I am wondering if most of the people on this board expect their daughters to play in college? @No, takes too much time off academics. (2) I also am wondering what they are doing to help them achieve this goal. @Nothing, she's not playing(3) Did the kids pick 10 (or some other finite number) schools to target/ Are they going or planning on going to ID camps? @No(4) Are their club coaches reaching out to college coaches with whom they have established relationships or otherwise helping them along with the process? @yes(5) Are they planning on cold writing to coaches with their fall/winter schedule and showcases? @No(6)Do many already have some established contacts? @not mine(7) Are some "regular" kids being watched by the schools already? @define "regular"(8) Do these kids prefer a school about which they knew nothing prior to the initial contact, but now are considering a school not previously on their radar, simply because of the soccer interest? @are you kidding me? your kid's gonna go to College to play soccer or get an education?Having answered that, we're still going to go to NEWSS, CASL, NPL Showcase in Disney and play in the NPL League and spend about $7,000-8,000 this year for soccer.Because we are crazy.
7 my definition of regular are non national team kids roster rank 5-20 on ECNL or national league teams or top 10 state teams.8 how does a 9th grader or 10th grader even know where she wants to go or wants to do? A larger university which offers a wide range of majors might be a great option especially if they show interest in her soccer and she wants to play. I don't see anything wrong with that course of action. If she has a major she is passionate about and the school that showed interest in her doesn't offer it then that's another story. I am not referring to that type of focused student. Mine is all over the place so any big university will have it covered. It will be what she makes of it anyway.
Thank you for the clarification. I don't think anyone of the girls in my daughter's team is in that class. Mine surely isn't in the top of the roster, so soccer scholarship is definitely out of scope.She's pretty smart and will get the grades, also practical, she wants to make as much money coming out of college and we think engineering is the way to go. It's going to be a job that pays the bills to be able to live a good life, live in a good place, travel, eat out, etc. So in short we're going to enjoy this season, maybe our last in academy soccer, and file it away in the good memories section. We're buying the experience.
I like your post 1039. I am sick of people telling me I am wasting my money when my kid is very happy and we, as a family, are very much enjoying the ride. People telling me forget about a scholarship, that's pie in the sky so spend the soccer money on a tutor. Who are they on here to even know what my child's level is or more imporatnatly will be?
There are not a lot of "developmental opportunities" for players with limited means to pay for them. The lower cost teams and leagues are disrespected and abandoned. Solutions for the players with talent and a small budget are imperfect and limited. Oh well, but just because a player can play does not mean they have access to a top league.
I think this is because most of the lower cost teams (Rec, Town Travel) do not have qualified trainers and coaches. This costs time, money and commitment. There may be exceptions, but for the most part, these "low-cost" teams are low cost because they are not dedicated professionals who hold National Class A or EU equivalent. It wasn't out of disrespect we left town travel - they could not take my daughter to the next level. I don't know what the solution to that may be.
The kids who can really play get scholarships at ECNL clubs but they still usually have to come up with travel money. You can send your kid with another family and save some flights and food. But it still is expensive. I have seen some kids not go to the distant showcases and only playing in the ECNL games, CASL and Jeff cup. Split a hotel with another mom and kid and drive and it's doable for most. Maybe go to playoffs as the big splurge and PDA recruiting fest which doesn't require a hotel for many. If a kid is good enough to get a ECNL scholarship then she's good enough for a D1 scholarship which should help with the family finances.
No one begrudges any well off player a high quality product. But you need to get out more if you think it is doable for most. It is doable for some. Go to the play offs for a big splurge. LOL. A big debt on the credit card is more like it!
yes that would be a splurge...
splurge: an act of spending money freely or extravagantlyDoes not mean incurring debt.
Ok whatever. I am saying many of us would "splurge" and or put some debt on a credit card to give our child the opportunity to play in the champions league Not all but I don't think most of us were shelling out cash in Seattle.
Your player is fortunate to have such great experience and opportunity. Good luck to her.
Looks like the "starters" have prevailed over the evil empire and get to keep all the points for themselves.
Is that the yms issue?
The Majority of the gotsoccer points that people spent so long fighting for will disappear in a couple of months as they were won between November and January of last year . GS points only last one year.
It seems sadly misguided as some are on their 3rd or 4th team in as many years.
For many and as suggested by the often used proverb, "the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence" but this all changes once they find themselves over there trampling it.
I was looking at the U.S. Club soccer new age chart for the new rules .and it looks like girls born in 1999 lose a year of eligibility as they will be u-18 next year and not u-17 . If you are born in 1998 like the current u-17!girls are you are not permitted to play at all . How do these soccer gurus thinks this is fair ?
All the oldest groups of competition are and will continue to be u19. Most clubs will field as they often already do a u18/19 combined team and most competitions will, as they often currently do, run u17 and then skip to u19. Look at the Bethesda and casl flights for example. Your child won't lose a year of eligibility. She will play the same number of years of youth soccer as her 00 classmates. Just on a different team likely next year and then they bounce back together for senior year. The oldest teams will simply combine age groups and the competition managers will be well aware and manage tournament flights accordingly. Similarly the ECNL will combine the top 2 age groups. Where that's a problem is only next year when the 99s will have to break into an established 98/99 team. Thereafter the oldest birth years still in high school will play the oldest age group twice and they will essentially wait for their younger classmates and the olders in the class below to join them in the oldest age group for their senior year. Relax your child won't be shorted a year.
Anyone with a post-August birthday will lose a year of eligibility. Just look at the the US Youth Soccer Age Chart. If your daughter has a birthday in December '99 (for example) she has two years left. Under the current system she would have had 3.
Does that really matter though? Won't all of the '99 girls be college aged by then. How many '99s really would plan on coming back and playing YOUTH soccer. There will be U20 ADULT leagues for them if they really want to keep playing while they attend college and/or work.
Not sure if 9:08's table is accurate ... the following link presents a table which essentially gives one additional year of "eligibility" to every age group and is consistent with USSDA, ODP, etc. type age assignments.http://www.nyswysa.org/docs/SOCCERMANDATES/USYS-NEW-SOCCER-AGE-CHART-2016-BIRTH-YEAR-MATRIX%20v1.pdfThe 2016-2017 season will look more like this with the '98's being the older Seniors who's birth-year teammates will be away at college creating the need to combine U18's with U17's.U17/18- 1998/1999 (Juniors/Seniors)U16 -2000 (Sophomores/Juniors)U15 -2001 (Freshman/Sophomores)U14 -2002 (8th Graders/Freshman)U13 - 2003 (7th Graders/8th Graders)The U17/18 age group has the potential for a large pool of players but this will be offset by the fact that seniors often elect not to play or have limited availability due to other commitments and interests during their last year in high school.
The chart that 9:08 linked to is from the US Youth Soccer site, and is the same as the one here: 2015 Player Development
Regardless of their classification (U17, U18, U19), no group of players is going to be denied a year of eligibility ... take off your drama hats and use some common sense.
Anyone know what happened to the MF NPL team? I heard it was disbanded. Wonder if MF is having difficulties keeping teams.
@ 1:54pmMF NPL team is still up and running. Whoever gave you that if is wrong, probably not a good source to be quoting.
Feel sorry for the 99s next year
Does anyone know when the Region 1 Champions League schedules/acceptances are going to be posted? They said there would be a delay, but this is ridiculous...
The acceptance notifications have been sent to the teams (all the teams that applied were accepted). Division announcements should be made soon (their words) and schedules won't be out for a while.
Meanwhile, at the top flight final of NEWSS, an NPL Team (QUICKSTRIKE FC QSFC ELITE 00' NPL (NYE)) beat an ECNL Team (WORLD CLASS FC '99 ECNL (NYE)) 2-1
MF NPL lost every game at NEWSS.
FC Copa NPL also tied Alberston ECNL at NEWSS. Isn't Alberston supposed to be the top northeast ECNL team?
Actually incredibly similar results @ NEWSS for almost all top bracket teams, regardless of ECNL or NPL. WC, Albertson, NJ Copa, NJ Stallions, and FC Arsenal (PAE West) all went 1-1-1. Only Quickstrike won more than 1 game.
And I thought ECNL was supposed to be the "Best of the Best". I guess it goes to show that you can be in ECNL and and the U16 age group when you have your Academy philosophy and tactical game down with those "Elite" players, you're supposed to be better than NPL or any town team around, right? I guess not.
Quickstrike also knocked off Albertson on Sunday. WC and Albertson are both very good teams. Just indicates that their are very good teams not playing the ECNL league.
Where is Quickstrike from?
7:53 amAMEN to that!!!
There, their, they're ... it's so difficult to figure out which one to use.
Region 1 Champions League brackets: link
And these teams are Champions of what, exactly?
Looks like a rough weekend for the NJ clubs down in NC. SDFC beat up pretty good in National league with the exception of a win over a weak SAC team. Copa in way over their heads. Stallions put up a couple of good wins. PDA B teams played had good results albeit very low brackets. ECNL teams appear to be struggling in top 4 brackets against high quality non-ECNL teams. Penn Fusion, Continental and EMSC all looking very weak. Quickstrike took top bracket with wins over FC Virginia ECNL and Penn Fusion ECNL. Most brackets won by non-ECNL programs. Bethesda awful. Seems to be more balance this year at U16.
Nice comments 5:37, where you even there?
Funny- you have ECNL haters and ECNL lovers. If your child/team is good enough and you are participating in top-tier showcase tournaments, they will get noticed. There are terrible and great ECNL teams and terrible and great non-ECNL teams out there.
Funnier yet is how ECNL lovers defend the brand and reject any team from non- ecnl as being inferior.
Is not defending the brand. It is just simple which is better Nike or puma. There you go!
ECNL parents understood that the composite event competing with CASL changed the U16 teams dramatically. There were as many as 6 starters, often the early commits, gone from the U16s playing up on the 17s to fill gaps made by the composite and also some kids actually playing in the composite. The U16 were using playups and NPL players to fill gaps and afford more players exposure. People don't understand that the ECNL teams used CASL to showcase their lower level players who won't see as much time in the ECNL events. Most of the teams were playing equal playing time or even more playing time for the bottom of the roster. In fact with the roster sizes often over 20 players at this age, some players won't even travel to Sanford or might rotate out of a specific game. CASL gave them the exposure they need for recruitment. Obviously, CASL also garners exposure for non ECNL teams. I am not saying that a player must have ECNL exposure to be noticed. There were lots of coaches at the games and the opportunity was there for all players. I am only informing you that many teams did not put forward their A roster for this event inorder to be as fair as possible to all players on the roster.
8:12 I hope u made yourself feel better with that post. Wow is all I can say.
Of the 20 or so ECNL teams that were at CASL, I think only 4 or 5 are competing at the Composite, so that argument doesn't hold much water. On top of that, I know that one of the teams that is at both events did bring their "A Roster" and the others are not any of the teams ever talked about on this board.
Here is something 8:12 can relate to. The Sneetches, by Dr. SeussNow, the Star-Bell Sneetches had bellies with stars. The Plain-Belly Sneetches had none upon thars.Those stars weren’t so big. They were really so small. You might think such a thing wouldn’t matter at all.But, because they had stars, all the Star-Belly SneetchesWould brag, “We’re the best kind of Sneetch on the beaches.”With their snoots in the air, they would sniff and they’d snort“We’ll have nothing to do with the Plain-Belly sort!”And, whenever they met some, when they were out walking,They’d hike right on past them without even talking...
Lol you have no idea what your talking about. It alsways makes non ECNL parents nuts when ECNL people tell them that the games against their children arent importnat to the ECNL coaches and teams.
"Non-ECNL" parents could care less about losing to ECNL teams. Seems to me that the ECNL parents are always coming up with excuses as to why their teams lose to non-ECNL teams. There are many ECNL teams that are full of great players, but when one gets beat by a good non-ECNL team, just man up and admit that they got beat. Don't come on here and make up lame excuses about missing players or coaches that don't care about winning. That's a disservice to the kids that are working their butts off.
No these comments aren't a disservice; they are statements of fact. If you don't think that missing 5-6 early committed kids who were playing on other (older) rosters, or that the ECNL teams playing kids evenly to give the non committed kids exposure during an event for which the results had no import, impart a significant impact on the outcome of a game, then move along...
Ecnl does not equate to the best teams.. If you cannot accept that...you can move along. Sorry but it's just a fact and if you don't see it then you are wearing rose colored glasses
Mr. ECNL 12:49, stop making excuses, do you know the situations of the teams you were playing> 2 injured, 2 playing up, 1 at a wedding. Who knows, every team plays with issues, but you only care to think that it is your team.
False excuses just make you look bad. The Composite event had no impact on the teams that were being discussed (except for maybe McLean, and they won their bracket). The other clubs weren't at the Composite, and there was no event for the U17's, so the excuses that 8:12 was making up just make him/her look look a sore loser.
Well actually Penn Fusion was also affected. They entered the u18 composite and pulled kids all around to other teams too. I think the u16s were significantly affected by kids being pulled up to the 98s and by kids actually playing in the composite. Not sure which teams are being discussed. Regarding other teams' injuries etc. If a team was truly down 6 impact players then that is significant information to gage the relative value of a team's success in winning a game. Just sayin...
Every U16 WNT player with the exception of two is ECNL
The Quickstrike team that beat Penn Fusion also beat FC Virginia ECNL the next day. During the prior week at NEWSS the beat Albertson and World Class ECNL teams. The fact they beat Fusion only 2-0 is fortunate for Fusion as it could have been worse. ECNL has not cornered the market on good teams ir outstanding players. 1 win is lucky, 4 wins is much more telling.
Where is Quickstrike from?
@1030. World Class played without some of the better players, including a u16 NT player. Lets not draw too many conclusions from an early season showcase. Im sure QS are a fine team, but take it easy.
1:30 Ok we clarified WC game, what spin do we have for Albertson and FC Virginia games?
I guess I would understand if we were talking about beating a top ECNL team. This early season chest thumping makes no sense. you are debating the relative value of teams that are somewhat equivalent. I put it to you this way, I reckon a large percentage of those ECNL players would make the QS team if they tried out. In my opinion, the majority of the top players play ECNL, but there are not that many of them. The good players are split between the alternatives. There are some non ECNL teams that choose en masse to stay together simply because they are happy with each other and the coaching. They do well as a group and win games ve ECNL and non ECNL. They feed on the we are as good as the ECNL chatter and get a chip on their shoulder. As a team they probably are, but they don't have the top player that an ECNL team may have. You can argue about who is better etc, but it really does not matter. If QS works for you, then great. Stick with it, but I do think you underestimate how good some of the top ECNL kids are and you overvalue the meaning of beating them.
People just don't like to hear excuses
Quickstrike was originally from Bethlehem and later moved to Nazareth.
@3:08 By your comments I believe you have never seen them play.
BAHAHAHA @ 3:58, perhaps they are the long anticipated second coming, given to us through immaculate conception and here to judge us all.
Excuses, excuses better to stick with your own, avoid judgment all together.
I looked on the admittedly self reported committments spreadsheet, which is no doubt incomplete, but I see three committed quick strike players and they are 2016 grads. Are there unreported committed kids on that u16 team? There are several committed 2018 on all the region 1 ecnl teams. Those are the blue chip players for the most part. In fact the best player on the u16 fields at CASL were the ECNL 2019 play ups that got emails from 40 or more coaches after the event ( passed on through coaches to keep NCAA compliant). Who cares who beats whom anymore. That's for the u13 forum. It's about what happens to the top few kids and their recruitment that matters. The others are mid major fillers on the ECNL teams and d3 players on the rest. Other than a token Syracuse bench player, where has quick strike placed players? How many went to id2 camps? How many have been invited to national camps? I won't even ask with how much money they are getting. But you guys keep debating which team is better long after such discussion is remotely relevant.
In order to avoid judgement, you must learn to judge yourself, and not others. The repeated attempts to justify the path you've chosen is the issue, not the explanations which you happen to perceive to be excuses.
Offers are abundant, it is nice to be able to be selective.
Hope the 2018 and 17s do better than the 16s. 2 to Stoney brook and one to Providence. synchrinous offers are unusual if anyone really has experience in this process. Offers usually come at unofficial visits or shortly thereafter. The significant money offers come with short term deadlines. They move on to another candidate relatively quickly because they don't want to tie up money. Also the quick strike penn fusion game was not one sided. Both teams were wearing white shirts and white shorts. Both goals ( I didn't see the second half so if that was one sided there is a possibility that I might be mistaken) were give always in the penn fusion defensive third; one by the GK possibly due to the shirts. What I saw was a well organized quick strike team. Excellent one touch passing combinations. I did not see a stand out player on quick strike but I did see one on penn fusion. I think in general what I saw was a common situation; the non ecnl teams may be the more successful teams, but the better individual players are largely found in the ECNL teams.
if you look at the commits to top soccer schools how many are there and what is the ECNL to non ECNL ratio? Surely that ells you what top college coaches think of the players?
It tells you the same thing as the USGNT player rosters. The ECNL gets the top players. They often don't gel as a team and some teams can be relatively unsuccessful. But the top players are generally found in the ECNL and a few in the national league. Even East meadow has some excellent players; many of whom are very individualistic which does not help to create a successful team. NEFC U16 NPL is an aberration. They would be national league but for their DOC eschewing USYSA in order to attempt to fall into the good graces of US club soccer in hopes of achieving the holy grail: being awarded an ECNL franchise.
Big events coming up for players good luck at Sanford and Disney. I am sure there will be much opportunity at both showcases. Are some kids doing both? ECNL discovery players or guesting for NPL or USYSA teams at Disney? I think last year FC VA did both any ECNL teams planning on that agian since its the peak recruiting event/time of their careers?
U17 - Born in 2000U18 - Born in 1999Big changes for most rosters 2016-17 season....over 50% of Region 1 clubs already on board
Does any statistical data exist that shows the % of early verbal commits at U16 that end up attending and playing soccer at the school they early commit to?
Yes big changes. The 99s are screwed. Only the very top U16 99s will make teams composed of existing 98/99 players. Basically have to break into a fully made team. Especially hard for ECNL kids. Some teams should start playing their 99s up as much as possible.
@ 7:09Quite the drastic blanket statement for '99s.
What isn't true about it?
You have not seen all 99s in Region 1 hence you are making a blanket statement. No doubt there's some truth there, but it depends on club and roster depth. You have obviously observed "your" teams and feel that way.
No, what I said was that the 99s have to make a fully formed 98/99 team except maybe a August 98 graduating senior or two leaving an opening for next year. In any environment that would be a daunting endeavor. I don't intend to speak to a specific team or player. Further, the August-December 99s have been playing at a lower level than the older 99s and 98s against whom they will have to compete for spots and play-time. Their development is, on the whole, behind. This phenomenon has been playing out for years at ODP where the August-December kids have struggled against the older kids, not necessarily because of size and physical maturation, but often because of the extra year of soccer developmental advantage. There is nothing team, or player, specific about these statements. I am not saying that a particular top u16 99 won't be equally successful on the older team on which she will be forced to participate next year, only that these circumstances are difficult for most players. Beyond the obvious social problems, the new age dictates create a disadvantage for the 99s globally in competition for spots and time on an older completely formed team. That is simply a fact. This is the only age (u17 98/99) that the teams can stay completely the same for next year with the 2 birth years already represented. Next year will be the only time that the younger players have to earn spots and time on a fully formed team. Sure there may be club with a weak 98/99 team and a stronger 99/00 team that will easily push 4 or more 99s into the starting lineup, but not all young 99s will maintain their status. It will be the unusual event that a u16 99 top 3 player will be able to keep that status now shifting "up" to an older 98/99 team next year. I think it will be most frequent that Full game Stars will largely become 1/2-2/3 game starters. Starters will become 1/2 game or less off the bench players, and off the bench players may become NPL starters. I concede there will be individual exceptions, kids who should have been playing up all along, but this scenario will largely play out all over the country for the August-December 99s. I think we differ in that I am intending to speak to the global problem not an individual player. The 99 parents on my child's team are very upset with the prospect of their children making the U18/19 team next year. I hope your 99, if you have one, will be successful.
Wow, do I agree with you. The Aug. Dec. 99's may be truly shafted. Those uncommitted will be hampered. My kid is struggling with the choice of playing less or switching clubs. No other group of players are so greatly affected by the stroke of a pen. Wonder if anyone at US Soccer ever gave a 2nd thought to these players.
Using this reasoning...wouldn't this apply to all older half of year ages?
@10:54 The 99's ate affected from a recruiting year approach more than any other age.
Good thoughts...merry Xmas!Hoping it all works out..my Sept. 99 has had D1 coaches inquiring so time will tell...
10:54, no this problem is unique to the '99s. For example, the Jan-Jul '00s will now be joined by Aug-Dec '00s who are currently playing U15. These U15's have a better chance of making the "older" team because of the vacated spots from the Aug-Dec. '99s who now have to move on. As the earlier poster said, the '98s don't have to move on from the combined '98/99 team because most of the '98s will already be in college and the ones left can stay on this combined team that will play U19.My daughter's team is 1/3 '99s, 2/3 '00s. All the '99s are starters and play most if not all of our games. The current U17 team is really strong so I know these parents are really worrying about the future. Plus, next year their daughters will still be juniors trying to showcase while many of the '99 Seniors will be done with the process.
I see so much discussion on this forum related to ECNL. Is the only way a soccer player will play for college is if they are on an ECNL team? Is that the only league that matters?
3:24 Not at all, I am speaking from a non-ecnl point of view. Any high level team will encounter this problem. ECNL may have ways of adjusting their showcases but the larger ones like Disney, CASL and Jeff.Cup will need to adjust things to accommodate new teams with little history. Throw any team history from the previous year out the door, they will not be relevant. Coaches/clubs that have strong creditability will get the preferential treatment.
Well there was just much discussion regarding the age change. ECNL announced combined 99/98 u19 teams. So I guess the discussion revolves around the model. All us club soccer will follow. Usysa likely will for state cup. Already do for tournaments. Most of them skip u18 age group and go from u17 to u19. It is much easier to get interest from top 25 coaches if your child plays in the ECNL and is a top player invited to pdp etc. national league like strikers or way top of the us club, NEFC , are exceptions. But if your kid is looking at mid majors and her team is competing regional tournaments probably champions league type teams are good enough.
Look at the pot calling the kettle black ... the difference is the pot comes across as desperate for attention.
8:32 Hopefully Jeff. Cup will be scheduled at a time when a convenient out is not available. I hate excuses, don't you?
Lol if you are even mildly concerned about wins in a showcase event, when rosters were shuffled to give the best shot to all kids in the club, your kid isn't going top 25. It's about the individual kids at this age not the teams. Which team is showcasing the kids the best? I guarantee the coaches don't care and probably don't even know what the score was in these games. Maybe you should adopt a U12 so you chest beaters can have a second chance at that game? After CASL, my kid got ACC, SEC, Big 12 and Big 10 emails from coaches. She also got about 30 from midmajors and Ivys. 8 of these coaches actually called the club coach to find out more about her. She is scheduled to call a few of them after the holidays. And yours on the winning team...?Good luck with the midmajors there's plenty of room for your kid or maybe she is really at the D3 level? Rah-rah team! ECNL is definitely the way to go for exposure for the top of the roster. Yup the bottom of the roster is interchangable with your kid. Now proceed to the bashing it's entirely entertaining from where I sit.
9:27 Lots of people pretend to believe in Santa at this time of year but I doubt even the most impressionable individual would ever consider your comments truthful. Santa, Easter Bunny, flying pigs are possible, your story? Not likely.
Your the one who is desperately trying to believe that this isn't true because then you don't have to face that your kid is just average when she is on a "winning" team. This is exactly how it goes for the top kids. Your kid is clearly not in the range or you would know that's how this game is played for the blue chips.
The concept of an explanation totally escapes 9:09 - pretty sad.
The concept of team escapes those of the ECNL. OK point understood.
True that. The team is the vehicle for an individual's advancement.
12/23 9:27 your daughter must have had one heck of a tournament to garner all that attention! Come on, you really expect us to beleive this? Ridiculous.
6:06 Person must write resumes for living. That good a player but not committed yet? Maybe not a team player, coaches must be scared off.
I wonder if 9:27 realizes that many college coaches will take a pass on a kid after meeting the parents.
6:42 I've heard their is now an ECNL and Non- ECNL section for parents at most college games.
Well there isn't at the top 30 because there aren't enough non ECNL parents to support a separate section
If ECNL is where the best players and teams are, how can there be teams losing by 3,4,5,6 goals down in Sanford, Fl? Doesn't make sense to me.
FC Bucks continues to struggle. I wonder what the excuses will be now...........
3:29 same average team as previous year, Fusion and Continental not much better. Better non- ECNL can beat them all. Outside the top 20 or so teams in ECNL it's just a group a very good club teams. And to be honest some of the ECNL teams are not even top teams in their own state. Fl, NY CA, TX UT , PA have their best clubs not in ECNL.
Ah, perhaps your child's team does beat the ECNL teams, but when did your child's team have 100 coaches watching her play, including the national champions ...How many offers from power five conferences has your child turned down? Some of your drive to "prove" her team is better than the ECNL comes from some level of remorse over your denying your child this opportunity. But then again if she is just average it doesn't matter either way. She won't be attractive to the best.
9:21 Only interested in 5 particular schools, not interested in the rest. Unless your kid is committed they are probably on the same radar. Majority of the power 5 are nice schools but she is not going to trade education for soccer. If you want to sign up for FSU or NC, more power to you. Good luck in your pursuit. Btw, if you need a 100 schools to get her a spot in college she may just be average herself. Just a thought.
Figures this would happen with the '99s becoming U18 in 2016....girls/women get screwed again...
News flash: the ECNL is not elite. Lol.
Well history repeats itself, the NPL college showcase is yet another waste of time and money.
NEWS flash : PA Classics Winter College Showcase is not elite. Lol
December 31 4:36What college coaches are at the showcase this year, anyone besides Rutgers? Are the games competitive?
Verbal commitments are all that exists before February national signing day for seniors. However, they are taken very seriously by both the players and the coaches. Rarely does one side (more often the player) back out of a verbal agreement. I spoke to a power 5 coach about the relative strength of such a verbal commitment. He said, I can't back out of a verbal commitment because if I did so it would be common knowledge very soon and that action would make it impossible for me to recruit quality players, with many choices in programs, in the future. The club world from which he picks players is a relatively small community. His program has never won a national championship. The only program about which I am aware has pulled offers, for anything other than academic progress, is UNC. There was a well publicized NJ girl who suffered from this treatment a few years ago when a Stanford commit couldn't get into the school and became "available" immediately before signing day. AD pulled her scholarship and gave it to the former Stanford commit. The coach also said to me I have to eat it if a kid's trajectory doesn't pan out for me. He guarantees 4 years scholarship too...By the way my child is not new to the ECNL and has received offers. She is just unsure about where she wants to go and is hence, still available. Clearly some kids on her team are already committed. They are not necessarily more successful than is she. We are encouraging her to make sure she feels really good about her college choice and, indeed, she has seen offers expire. We will be going on several visits this winter. Some schools were tracking her to this point and, after Sanford, have decided to move and have invited her to visit. Some of these are exciting to her and we suspect that she will be committed by the summer. No one should force a 14-15 year old into this kind of decision. Her commitment status does not really reflect on her relative desirability at this point. Save national players at the top 5 programs, many high level 2018s are still available and will be through to the spring. Is my daughter going to Virginia? Probably not, but there are several other ACC, SEC, Big10 and Big12, schools who have offered or are showing interest. We will be spending a lot of money traveling this winter with her. Good luck to all; there is a place for everyone who wants to play in college. I truly believe that.
Good info 9:47 and good luckWhy are you talking about seniors though? This is U16 correct?My daughter is not ECNL and has 2 D1 schools "following" her after inquiring to her coach. Great boost for her but irrelevant right now bc she's a sophomore...many college visits in the future...
I'm not 9:47, but the reference to Seniors is when an offer can be officially extended in writing by the school. A sophomore can verbally commit to a school, but the school can not make a financial offer in writing until the February of the athlete's senior year (the NLI signing period), which is over two years away .
My point exactly 12:32
Keep your head in the sand if you believe the verbal commitments mean nothing. Only tells me that your kid isn't good enough to enter into this discussion or you would understand the process better.
Universities would have no credibility in recruiting if they pulled verbal commitments often. There are 3 main reasons why verbals are pulled, grades, disciplinary actions, or injury, otherwise, they are pretty secure. It's the player who tends to not honor the commitment not the college although either side can. But given the choice, wouldn't you rather have the verbal than not.
His/her kid isn't talented enough to enter into a verbal at this age that's why he/she is trying to beat down the value. Absolutely, most kids would be thrilled to be "verbally" committed at this stage of the game to a school of their choice. By the way, injury is not generally accepted as a legitimate reason to pull an offer.
7:54 what does this represent? Can't open it.
@4:57You say “most kids would be thrilled to be "verbally" committed at this stage” Although it’s a significant accomplishment to get quality offers in their sophomore year I would disagree with your statement. I would suggest that parents and coaches should strongly encourage kids to wait till junior year at least before committing in most cases. If they’re truly that good the offers will be there next year also. The girls are still young. Let them explore options while their life goals are still formulating in their young minds. A schools soccer program should be only one of many factors that go into choosing a school. They should definitely be thrilled to get the offers but committing so early, in most cases & in my opinion, is not the wisest path.
7:20This is U16 Jeff Cup accepted teams listTry copying and pasting...if you care or it applies to you,that is
@723Not true Im afraid. many top schools simply move on to the next player. There are not many schools that offer top 25 academics AND top 25 soccer. The demand for places at those schools is massive as many top players want both. An offer from one of these schools has to be taken seriously and the better you are, the earlier it will probably arrive. This process is getting earlier and earlier. mainly driven by this. I do agree with you that it is probably not ideal, but it is the current reality. A really top player may actually have LESS time to decide albeit between really good schools.
@756I completely agree. Offers expire, sometimes after as little as 2 weeks, and are extended to the next kid on the depth chart. It's naïve to take this "high road" of, "if they’re truly that good the offers will be there next year also". There will be offers no doubt the next year, but they will likely be smaller and to less desirable schools and soccer programs. The top 50 are rapidly filling or have filled their 2018 classes. My guess is that your statement could be true for possibly 20 total kids in any given class in the entire country. They have in common that they all been to national team camp.
7:20 thanks. Thought you had found some other valuable tidbit, maybe early bracket or schedule assignments.
Jeff Cup brackets are here: http://www.gotsport.com/asp/directors/tournament/vieweventteamscleanb.asp?EventID=46787&Group=Girls_16Probably just preliminary, since they aren't announcing the top bracket until the NSCAA Convention (and the rest after that), and they might take it down if they realize it's out there. Here's what they are in case they do: ChampionshipGroup A CLEVELAND FC 99-00 (ON)FC VIRGINIA ECNL 99 (VA)FC PENNSYLVANIA STRIKERS (PAE)PDA GUNNERS BLUE (NJ)FLORIDA KRUSH 99/00 BLACK (FL)PENN FUSION SA '99G ECNL (PAE)QUICKSTRIKE FC ELITE 00' NPL (NYE)RICHMOND UNITED ECNL U16 (VA) Elite OrangeGroup A FC BUCKS 99 ECNL (PAE)ALBERTSON FURY U16 ECNL (NYE)ALLEYCATS 99/00 - NPL (NYE)PDA BREAKERS (NJ)ISA ELITE 99 NPL (NYE)MARIN FC 2000 BLUE (CAN)PIEDMONT TRIAD FC 99 LADY BLACK (NC)SUNRISE STING 99/00 BLACK (FL)MCLEAN 99 GIRLS ECNL (VA)SMITHTOWN EAST MEADOW NPL HOTSPUR (NYE)TENNESSEE SC 18 (TN)SYRACUSE DA U16G (NYW) Elite BlackGroup A BETHESDA SC ECNL REAL 99 (MD)BEACH FC 99G RED (VA)JERSEY UNITED SOCCER SPARTANS 99/00G NPL (NJ)CASL 99 LADIES RED (NC)FC EUROPA HOTSPURS 99/00 (PAE)MARYLAND UNITED FC 99 ECNL (MD)SOUTH CAROLINA UNITED FC 99 GIRLS ELITE (SC)FC FREDERICK '99 (MD)PITTSBURGH RIVERHOUNDS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY (PAW)TOMS RIVER FC EVERTON (NJ)FREEHOLD SL CELTIC (NJ)VIENNA YS PHOENIX '99 (VA) Superior OrangeGroup A NJ STALLIONS STAMPEDE NPL (NJ)CAROLINA RAPIDS 99 BURGUNDY (NC)ARUNDEL SA PREMIER 99'S (MD)ARSENAL FC OF PA PREMIER PRIDE (PAW)OPSA MAGIC (MD)HERNDON UNITED '99 (VA)EAST ISLIP SC RED STORM (NYE)FC COPA ACADEMY G99 NPL (NJ)TEAM BOCA 99/00 GIRLS WHITE (FL)MASSAPEQUA SC STRIKERS NPL '99 (NYE)FC STARS OF MASS NPL (MA)MCLEAN 99 GIRLS GREEN (VA)WNY FLASH ACADEMY GU16 (NYW)NJ WILDCATS TROUTMAN-NPL (NJ)PDA PRIDE (NJ)PIPELINE SC BLACK (MD) Superior BlackGroup A OBGC SOCCER OLNEY GIRLS 99 (MD)GPS-MA NPL GIRLS 99/00 (MA)LDC UNITED HURRICANES 99-00 (PAE)PDA ATLETICA (NJ)LOUDOUN 99G RED (VA)MARYLAND UNITED FC 99 RED (MD)RAGE SC '99 ATHLETICA (PAE)SAC PREMIER UNITED (MD)TENNESSEE SC 18 PREMIER (TN)TAMPA BAY UNITED PREMIER GIRLS 99 (FL)SJEB '99G (NJ)TFC ALLIANCE 99 GIRLS (NC) Platinum OrangeGroup A BAYSIDE FC BOLTS U16G NPL 99/00 (RI)ARLINGTON SA CHAOS RED (VA)HERSHEY ELITE FC 99 (PAE)EUSA EMPIRE UNITED ROCHESTER GU16 (99/00) (NYW)BEADLING SC BEADLING BOMBERS 99/00 GIRLS (PAW)OAKWOOD SC (CT)LEHIGH VALLEY UNITED LVU '99 (PAE)NEW YORK RUSH ROWDIES (NYE)VIRGINIA RUSH ELITE 99G (VA)MONTGOMERY SC PANTHERS (MD)WELLINGTON SC 99/00 WAVE WHITE (FL)WILMINGTON HAMMERHEADS 99G WHITE (NC) Platinum BlackGroup A BOSTON BREAKERS ACADEMY GU16 NPL (MA)DELAWARE RUSH 99 (DE)FLORIDA KRUSH 99/00 WHITE (FL)HFC READY '99 (PAE)NEW JERSEY RUSH 99 NPL ( FKA 99 GIRLS GREY) (NJ)LAGRANGE CHARGERS (NYE)SEACOAST UNITED ELITE- IS- 99/00 (NH)NORTHERN STEEL SELECT SOCCER INTENSITY (PAW)PWSI COURAGE 99G RED (VA)YANKEE UNITED F.C.HEAT NPL-99 (CT)PREMIER THUNDER (MD)SHATTUCK-ST. MARY'S SABRES (MN) ClassicGroup A RICHMOND KICKERS U16G ELITE (VA)RICHMOND STRIKERS U16 ELITE (VA)CHARLOTTE SA 99 PREDATOR (NC)OHIO ELITE ACADEMY (OS)PENN FUSION SA '99G NPL (PAE)SJA FC AZZURRI (NJ)HMMS EAGLE FC VILLA '99 (PAE)FC RICHMOND MYSTX '99 (VA)WORLD CLASS FC 99 MAGIC NPL (NYE)VIRGINIA LEGACY U16 GIRLS CCL ELITE (VA) ClassicGroup A FSA FC U16 GIRLS NPL 99 (CT)STAFFORD SOCCER REVOLUTION 99G BLUE (VA)PDA FLORIDA GIRLS BLUE 99-00 (FL)CONNECTICUT FC UNITED NPL (CT)
Alby playing PDA B team..embarrassing.
Agreed, Alby is a bit overrated.
Getting back to verbal commitments, 7 players on PDA pride have verbally committed to Rutgers. The rest of the parents are pissed!!
Ably has nothing to worry about!
Who has ever said Alby is overrated?
If they committed to Rutgers they aren't playing soccer there.
"Yeah, that's the ticket."
8:41 Care to elaborate? Why wouldn't they be playing soccer?
Does anyone really believe that the Rutgers Coach, even the DOC of PDA, would commit 7 player spots to players from one team, and an average team at that. I'll believe it when I see it. Rutgers, ranked #3 in the Country, building 25% of their roster from a team that struggles to compete in NJ state cups. The Gunners maybe, the Pride, no way.
Maybe Rutgers Camden and Rutgers Newark.
@1224 Do you really think Rutgers are the 3rd best team in the US? Cmon. Had a great season behind a tough defense and a great GK. They are solid and they rode their luck well. The kids that are committing there will be mostly NJ based and not the best ones. You can win plenty of college games with toughness and good coaching.Put Rutgers in the ACC,they would be lucky to finish in the top 5.Lets see what happens next year. I love Rutgers, just realistic about what they are soccer wise. Gunners sights will be set higher.Maybe kids that dont get their first choice will commit there, but I dont think the Gunners have that down as first choice.
3:32 #3 or #20, I highly doubt that 7 kids from an average NPL team made up of mostly Sophomores have verbally committed to Rutgers. It would be nonsensical to think that a Division team at a reasonably competitive Division 1 team is going to be tying that many recruiting spots so early. 7 players is almost a full recruiting class. C'mon. I also don't make the rankings but that's where they are right now.
@332 Is it? In state tuition is how much? I bet they can make their $$ go along way with minimal financial commitments to several in state players. I dont dispute where they finished,I just dont see them as the 3rd best team in the US. The college system is totally weighted to an end of year one and done event. It favors a good defensive team from a weaker conference because you can game plan for one game and go to penalties to win. I take nothing from Rutgers, they had an incredible season, but when you tray and make a case like they are Stanford or even ND in terms of recruiting...no sir. Rutgers are very smart to use the local pipeline to fill the roster and IF they get the odd real Blue Chipper like the current GK, then they will be great. They build on hard work and good coaching. Not a roster full of elite players. They cant, because they will struggle to consistently recruit them. I an totally believe these kids are committed there...why not?
Why not? I don't find it believable and I think someone is trying to drive a wedge in a team. I think you will be hard pressed to find precedent for a Division 1 team regardless of where they are ranked committing 7 recruiting spots to mostly sophomores and maybe 1 or 2 Juniors. Very few sophomores from highly elite teams like the Gunners get early commitments let alone 7 kids from an OK NPL team. That's it I don't believe it and I won't believe it until I see it.
According to TDS, there is only 1 2018 PDA player committed to Rutgers, and that's the Gunners keeper. There are 3 2017 PDA players committed to Rutgers and two of them play for Gunners and one plays for U17 Impact.
@1136 ..get one thing str8. Coaches recruit elite PLAYERS. And not all early commits are for significant $$. No disrespect to the PDA U16 programs, but not sure they have any real blue chip players,just many good ones. Maybe a couple,one from FCB and a defender.
Pride parents are notoriously untruthful, especially one of the mothers. I don't believe any of those players are verbally committed anyway.
If I say it then it's true - "Yeah, that's the ticket."
11:44 sure they are, just anyone associated with the team.
Alby will do fine in top Jeff Cup bracket. Coach will bring in players from 6 different states in order to win and to make his two players look good, at the expense of his regular players. The parents are being taken for a ride, they need to wake up and get out.
Alby will struggle with any team they play in the bracket. Hopefully they play ECNL as the possible embarrassment is not as great.
Penn Fusion doesn't care about the switch. Their committed players won't even travel to this event and will instead be preparing for the San Diego showcase the following week. They will use this event to showcase players who don't see much of the field during the ECNL competitions. Same as they did in CASL when half the u16s were playing up at U17 or in the composite, they will fill the gaps with play ups from the U15s, and kids from 18-20 to give them exposure and a chance at a challenge. The uncommitted kids and play-ups will attract coaches in greater numbers than many of the top tier teams will. TM won't complain; the second flight serves his purposes without issue. Penn Fusion is a great club with nothing to prove.
Nice words about Penn Fusion but none of us really care. Did someone mention Penn Fusion in the conversation?
Penn Fusion appears to have an infiriority complex
3:10 Your utter disrespect for what you considerer lesser players on your own team is so sad. It appears you speak from a upper ranked player situation but the offensive way you speak of some of your own players is awful. Whether you statement is true or not means very little but your delivery is offensive. We can only hope your fellow team parents never discover your identity.
310 Sounds pretty matter of fact to me. But I am guessing this is a continental parent trying to stir up the penn fusion team.
Would have nice to see a Penn Fusion/ PA Strikers match at Jeff.
The arrogance is unreal...if the "bottom" players are that bad, says much for the club for adding them to roster..$$ anyone?
Wait actually I think its 706/1142 who is the pot stirrer CFC parent. Nowhere in the Penn Fusion post does it say anything bad about the bottom roster kids. In fact it boasts that they will attract alot of attention. That's a prop if you can read. Also what team doesn't have a bottom of the roster? Is that a negative term or a statement of fact? Actually the post say Penn Fusion is responsible in assuring that ALL the kids are showcased during the year by providing venues for ALL to start and play significant minutes. What's the horrible dis?
4:47 The original post from Penn Fusion was unsolicited and was a response to a prior post of them being moved out by Alby. The response post while appearing to be rather matter a fact really was an effort to downplay the significance of Jeff Cup and therefore making it of no value except to the lesser players. It it not the words you say but your delivery which sucks. BTW I am quite sure I am not from Continental.
Really odd not the words but the delivery in a written post ???
Somewhat odd but I understand the point trying to be made.
Would have been interesting to see Penn Fusion play the Strikers on multiple levels. One is Penn Fusion after playing Bucks and CFC in December appears to be the best U16 ECNL team in PA and there are a lot of former Strikers o the Penn Fusion team now. The question is why the switch? If they were weaker kids who left for more playing time then that would tilt the odds in Striker's favor. If they were stronger players who believed the ECNL offered better opportunity then that would tilt the odds the other way.
Strikers holds constant "tryouts". When a player shows up for training, the new girl next to her may take her place...if you're looking for consistency go to PF
No PF would never take on a new player if the could provide real impact. Yea sure
That's true. One of the best kids who went from Strikers to Penn Fusion was added after tryouts bringing the roster to 20. She left to play with her sister not in support of the ECNL over strikers.
No sure what you are talking about-maybe a different player. The kid who was added after last tryouts is bigger than average. The point was that Penn Fusion adds kids after tryouts just like Strikers do with their "rolling admission" policy. The difference is that Strikers tell the bottom of the roster, after an add or two, that they will not see the field and would be better off elsewhere. Ok in part because who wants to pick up the tab for kids not playing. Penn Fusion's model is different so they keep the checks and just have the lower players on the roster rarely seeing the field. Penn Fusion isn't more loyal to players than Strikers. They are just on a different model. Its high level soccer not rec. Kids and families need tough skins to play the game at the highest levels. All but the best 5 or so kids on both teams probably experience some degree of discomfort regarding their status. Some of us chose not to play the game and keep our kids on more "consistent" teams within a more comfortable level. Penn Fusion isn't one of those.
9:39My bad...I guess the sisters you refer to don't have the same last name
Says the dad of the big uncoordinated slow kid on the field. Don't even know the kid, but size doesn't matter unless the kid is 5'0 or under. I think the poster was trying to say Penn Fusion adds players too and kids dont just leave strikers to get into the ECNL because they believe its better. No continuity in high level soccer I agree one of the reasons many people keep their kids in the local programs.
"That's what she said"
Is it possible to have 2 true statements in one post?PF does what PF is good at, no doubt. Agreed, continuity in-existent.Striker players usually leave the club because they are replaced or about to be replaced.Period!
as it should. HS does very little for the elite player other than allow her to play with some friends. Takes up a lot of time that could be spent far more efficiently - doing school work and much more focused technical work.
Jan 29th 9:10pm - does anybody know which clubs will offer Development Academy's for the girls?
Info is 1 team per state NJ PDA , NY ALB, Conn CFC, Mass Stars/NEFC, NYW Albany...
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