What is that based on?? Yms takes whole thing?
FC PennsylvaniaFC BucksABGC Annandalewith Annandale winning the flight.
I don't see PDA SOuth anywhere on this list...Oh that's right, you are one big happy SPORTS team!
@ April 25, 2014 at 9:26 AMWell I haven't seen the list that is posted but I have to say that I am not one that is into Rankings due to the fact I think they are sometimes bias and for the simple fact that I bet you that there are some pretty good teams that don't get the props. Its kinda like GOTSOCCER, but to answer your question or better yet respond to your statement......Yes we are one big happy "SPORTS" CLUB. By the way where did your team rank on that list......since it appears that you are worried about rankings thats what you should be worried about. Its obvious that your team is not ranked higher than PDA South or you wouldn't have mentioned them....Please and hope and beg that you can tell me where your team ranks...but I will assume that you can't and you are just a HATER which is good for Sports as I said so I can't be mad at you. Haters are gonna HATE. Just remember buddy that these are 14 year old girls that you are HATING on....but its okay they know it comes with the jersey they wear even if its from an ADULT as yourself.....
The list is not perfect but more accurate than "Gotsoccer" rankings. Here is Topdrawersoccers ranking criteria.TeamRank is the comprehensive team-ranking system devised by TopDrawerSoccer.com to provide an objective and common-sense approach to determining which elite youth soccer teams are the best in the nation.The rankings, updated monthly, are primarily results-based, with a nod toward the league and championship competitions that emulate how excellence is determined in leading soccer nations around the world.Tournaments are also included but at a reduced value due to the many mitigating factors involving such events, including attrition and guest players.A final layer of executive evaluation is provided to account for variables that often impact results, thus ensuring that the monthly lists are not subjective, but are not purely mechanical.
Well, the one obvious flaw in the TopDrawer rankings is that they only rank US Club teams, not USYS teams. Their ranking algorithm seems reasonable, so that should give you a fairly accurate view of the Club Soccer teams. I suppose you can make your own assumptions based on tournament results to determine where the USYS teams would fall.NOVA
NOVA, I agree Top Drawer is a schill for ECNL and NPL, but their number 1 ranked U14 team is a USYS club. That doesn't hide the fact that their list is almost entirely focused on ECNL clubs.
9:26, I dont' know why you have it out for PDA South. They are who they are. They are a B maybe C team that is competitive against B teams. Why would you expect them to be nationally ranked.
2:12 why would you predict toms river?? not a chance either YMS or Annandale for that bracket
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4/22 9:11am PosterYour living in la la land, "Rumor Has it" you know your daughter is on the team, it's pretty funny that DG did not break that news until late Monday night and you posting it 9am the next day, no rumor, you should look in the mirror and lie to your self. How do you know the majority of the Yellow are going? Oh ya the original Bulldogs are going right,screw every other player.Get a life 4/22 poster
TR EvertonHas a good team, they are short a couple of players. Just like a lot of teams at that age, that's why teams "whole teams" are moving to PDA Shore to get extra players.Accept TR Everton TT can do it on his own he's in the top because of his teams persistence and there hard work. Not going to PDA Shore because he does not need too.No I am not on the team, just a soccer friend.
The majority of NJSA yellow may be going to PDA Shore tryouts but individual players are making the team, they are not taking the entire team. Believe me PDA is not like Match Fit that they take whole teams, they will go with the best roster. There many other talented players from other teams in surrounding areas that are also going too, so PDA is selecting whoever shows up from the yellow team. Just because you are in the NJSA yellow team DO NOT assume you are making the team. PDA will pick the best players at tryouts.
So you mean to tell me that TR Everton players are not going to PDA tryouts. WHY? I think it's a great opportunity for development and just the PDA name will get you to different tournaments where a town team may not be able to attend.
http://www.socceramerica.com/article/41382/how-to-navigate-your-childs-path.htmlInteresting article written by president of US Club soccer
The name TRE got them top flight at Fc Delco. Unmerited!! So PDA name would get them what. Up a year top flight? Seriously for what ever reason they can get into stuff without. Pda name.
@1210, another one drinking the PDA spiked Kool aide! Keep drinking it in and see what PDA picks.
TT is no longer the Everton coach. They have decided to go with Coach Moore and a new assistant head coach to move away from the stigma of a biased parent coach. They believe that this is a great opportunity for some talented girls who may not be happy in their current situation to come to an established team and fill out a full roster. With so many top teams breaking up and the draw of PDA already bringing girls this way,they believe that this will happen. The girls and parents got together and decided that this was worth saving and continuing and that is what is happening. And there is also the hope and plan of some sort of symbiotic relationship between the two teams that will benefit both teams .To have an equally talented sister team to scrimmage against on a regular basis can only be good for the girls, the club, and the landscape of youth soccer in nj. Maybe this is the future Academy/Town club model. We hope firstname.lastname@example.org
Bulldog yellow parents if you have not been told your kid is making the pda shore team by now news flash they are not on it ! Pda leaves nothing to chance it will be a combo of njsa tre rush etc.The deal is done the roster is made they only want you to fill out the b team its a waste of time
@614 i agree the bulldogs girls that have not made the team should come to TRE tryouts
Let the PDA Shore tryout process take place. You people are nuts, no roster spot is guaranteed to nobody!
There are no TRE kids on there. Fact. Everyone is welcome to come this week and the rest of the season to open training. Good situation.trfceverton@gmail .com
Im a little confused sorry but are you saying that none of the Tre girls are on the pda shore list?
Does anybody know when the YMS schedules are being posted?
yes many had signed up. fear of the unknown. they got past it. how do you know what the list says? hmm.
Leave those girls alone. Listen everyone as the parent of someone who played at the highest level, she got some money to play D1 but it is not worth the time, effort, aggravation, rumors, nasty parents, and insensitive coaches!! Life is too short!! Move on!! It it's not fun. Don't do it!!Where are we going with this? Even if your daughter is an olympic player, they don't make much money anyway!! Let it go!!
@11:25!!! So true, many of these parents are living their lives through their kids.. get over it!
Very true 11:25. I have a D1 as well and we told our daughter years before that decision needed to be made that there is no future in soccer. The school owns you and everyone knows this going in. Unfortunately they don't really understand it until they are there and see how demanding it really is. It is totally different once they see how their non sports friends college experience is night and day compared to theirs. My daughter still loves playing and was lucky last year to see the amount of time she did as a freshman. Many freshman just ride the bench for a year and that challenges kids in a whole different way. D1 is a grind like no other and you truly have to be an exceptional athlete, be very strong mentally and have an unquestioned love for the sport.
Here's a few simple questions to ask to know if your daughter will remain an elite soccer player and have a chance at D1:Does she she wake up in the morning or come home from school and want to do a run?Does she ever say, hey dad, take me to hill so I can run some hills?Does she walk to fields or ask to be driven to fields so she can shoot, dribble and juggle on her own?Does she ask to go to a gym or at home do strength training?The key thing here is does she do it on her own and not have to be told or pushed by her parent. If you have to make her do it or push her to do it, then there is a good chance that other things will start to become a bigger priority than soccer. If she has the motivation to do these things when no one is watching that she has a shot.When I think about elite atheltetes I always think about Larry Bird who was not a gifted athlete but had a work ethic like no other waking up at 5/6 AM every morning to training and shooting 500-1000 free throws every day. Nobody else sees if your child has that "it" but if they are not motivated and driven to do things when nobody is watching, than they probably do not have "it" but if they are special in this regard, then you have to foster their drive.
9:27, you are absolutely correct! The problem arises when coaches reward players that fool around at practices or are bad teammates with playing time or give more playing time to the girls whose parents complain the most. This gives girls the very false idea that they are D1 material, boy are they in for a rude awakening in the real world.
I agree with you 100%. In our team we have players that miss practices and do not do follow directions during the game and instead of passing and setting up other players take the ball all the way and lose it to a defender. These girls are constantly reward but the kid that may not be as aggressive but passes the ball and plays a passing game is left on the bench. These players have been listening to their parents and will be in for a huge surprise when they go on to college and they are expected to play TEAM soccer and not INDIVIDUALIZED soccer.
The coaches can be a whole other stream for this blog. All of the clubs in NJ have some very poor coaches. That is both parent coached and professionally coached teams. Some of these teams with coaches screaming for 80 minutes straight, I'm not sure how the kids concentrate.
That's a spot on observation. With all of these coaches screaming for the entire game...how are the kids supposed to hear the parents yelling instructions during the entire game???
You must be at the NPL level of parents because the ECNL level the parents have developed a sophisticated system of code words, hand signals and looks to ensure that their directions are being followed by their kids.
3:58 now that is funny! During our games I give my daughter the real hand signals while my wife gives the decoy signal just to keep the other kids guessing...
I look at clouds and for birds in the sky. My daughter knows what that means.
"Even if your daughter is an olympic player, they don't make much money anyway!! Let it go!!"Why haven't you? If it's been such a bad time for your high level player, why are you still on this board and if you say you are on for your younger kid what does that say? That doesn't say let it go?
Uh oh, apparently 712 has a future Olympian and we hit a nerve! Let us know how she is doing at 22. Is all this nonsense worth it, why not enjoy the game?
7:22 why the interest in what other families do. I wonder if Neil Armstrong's parents told him to give up his dreams of being an Astronaut because he had no chance of getting to the moon.You should also start a blog devoted to banning the Olympics because of how the lack of a future that most sports provide. We should just ban competitive athletics in general because so few actually make a well paying career out of it.Also, make sure you don't watch any professional sports because the majority of kids trying to get to that level never make it and you'll just be supporting some kids hopeless dreams. So do you aspire for your child to be a movie theater worker. The percentages are pretty high that she will make it.
whoa - EDP North - goals against !?! (2nd div)I'm sorry to those parents who are paying out the nose to these clubs and driving to Osh-Kosh to get those results.http://events.gotsport.com/events/results.aspx?EventID=37317&Gender=Girls&Age=14
9:30 Is that seriously your comment?
What kind of money are they paying, aren't those Rec teams?
@9:30What team is your daughter on?DCShore
DC It actually looks like a pretty cometitive division with the bottom teams not competing as well. Kind of the bell curve you see in any sports league. My guess is the person left or is leaving one of the teams with the wide goal differential.
Yeah, I can only agree.I would love to see folks actually talk about the 'soccer' not the score.There is at least one team in that bracket who gained 5 starting players in the off-season. Now they are winning and racking up goals...WHAT A GREAT EXAMPLE OF DEVELOPMENT...lol!From what I understand this same team essentially plays direct, bully-boy (girl) soccer because they have more athletes.So, I am only so impressed when they beat up on a team that actually tries to play the game. As someone who prides himself on watching many, many teams, with a careful eye for THE GAME I feel comfortable talking about the quality and not the quantity of goals.DCShore
I agree on quality. I'm always impressed when my daughter or another player on the team scores a "bad " goal. Maybe the goalie should have had it. Maybe she just took a hard shot and caught the post and it luckily went in. But there was that open player all by themselves on weak side. Yes the player gets the high fives but then the coach quietly will say "hey. Nice goal , but did you see so and so open over there. We can't bank on a keeper mistake. A nice pass on the ground equals a higher percentage shot. Next time see if she is there. ". That is what prepares your team for tougher competition.
2:23 well said!! Many times players do not look to see who's open and just try to go through defense to score when they may be a players wide open. HOWEVER, sometimes coaches reward that type of play and reward that player who is not playing a passing game and benches the player that makes him/herself wide open and wait for a pass.
So true, we have girls that make the effort to get open and are screaming for the ball while the princesses put their heads down and repeatedly dribble into the defense, time and time again! Of course the princesses are praised for their effort of constantly losing the ball. Now before everyone jumps all over me, yes, we are leaving this particular team but due to their name, they will have no problem filling the spots.
Coaches can only play with what they recruit. I think that there is a big disconnect between who is recruited and the style that coaches want to play. Coaches are then forced to coach the team of players that they have even if it means sacrificing good soccer.
My daughter plays on a team a little further south than PAE, NYE, and NJ. We've never seen Toms River, Quickstrike, YMS, or Bucks play (could have played our team before we joined). Can someone without an ax to grind give me an idea of what the kids will see at Delco? Hard to tell from this blog whether Toms River are a bunch of thugs or just an athletic team that could use more coaching. Don't hear much at all about the other three. Not trying to flame anyone or looking to be flamed. Just truly curious.
My daughters team has played all 3 of those teams multiple times. All great teams. No thugs, lol! (who says that about 14 year old girls???) Quality soccer. YMS is my vote for best of the three, followed by Toms River, then Quickstrike. But all the teams are solid. Good luck at Delco!
Forgot Bucks....also a great side.
TR, YMS and Bucks are quality teams. Capable of quality soccer and able to play a complete game opening to closing minute. I think all three have won big tournaments so they have that pedigree as well.I have not seen Quickstrike but I am sure they are at the very least 'danger' if not outright capable of playing some quality soccer.No team is infallible. Good Luck to all of the squads.DCShore
"Who says that about 14yr old girls". Anyone who has seen TRE play. Clean slate with new coach. TT was a good guy he just didn't create a soccer environment that respected the game. It was win at all cost. A 14yr old thug is a girl who does things on the field that would get her arrested off the field. Or uses bush league tactics to try and earn a free kick or try to earn the opposition a card. Everyone has witnessed diving to get a call. Few have then laid there crying telling the referee that the player punched them in the stomach. That's bush league when no one was close to you and it's all a ploy. Most coaches not only discourage such things but some (ours included) would bench a player for that behavior. I'm glad to see a fresh coach coming into TRE. Hopefully they can turn things around. Good athletes and good players. Good potential to keep winning and change things.
@6:50Sorry, but that was a confusing mess. Coach is a "good guy"...but created a bad environment?You rail him because he was all about "winning".Supported by nothing. A charge that could equally be made about 90% of the coaches unfortunately. Do you think the new coach is about losing?Despite this charge, you conclude with this contradictory mess..."Hopefully they can turn things around. Good athletes and good players. Good potential to keep winning and change things."So they can turn things around and "keep winning and change things?" Huh? I only point this out because it is yet another rather lengthy, unlettered attempt on this web site to take a cheap shot at someone and a situation you probably do not know anything about. If you are familiar then shame on you. Again, just look at what you wrote. Does it make any sense? Don't answer that...just read it over again and move on.PLEASE let all of this negativity go. It's not healthy for you, your child or the sport.DCShore
While Quickstike has grown and developed and I would place them before TRE right now, I think YMS is the only team of the 3 mentioned previously that can make it out of their bracket.
@913 Fast players are always going to get special consideration. You can teach technical and tactical not speed. I can't comment on why someone starts over another but there are no, or very few productive slow technical forwards or outside defenders. Midfielders and central defenders yes but not on the outside. Even in the midfield and central D, all things equal the faster player will play. A point that is rarely made about "technical and tactical" is we all agree you have to be proficient in both to be successful, but if your whole team is not at same level technically it doesn't help much. There are very few true possession type teams out there, even in college. Fast less technical players will always be in demand.
@ 9:24"There are very few true possession type teams out there, even in college. Fast less technical players will always be in demand."SAD, but true.DCShore
You have both hit on the main reason why on the Men's side, the US is marginally competitive globally with the slide beginning between U-17 to U-21 and we are finding that the world is catching-up on the wmone's side. I have seen it with my son's soccer career and he now plays D3 and he was a very technical player and not big enough and fast enough for the game D1 game. The Europeans have a very different view on training versus games meaning fewer games and more training. While you can train technical, kids will fall behind and have a hard time catching up. Coaches will focus on team training not individual technical capabilities so kids will need to find other ways to develop the technical which is tough when a good portion of the year is spent in High School.
10:42AMI can only agree. The lack of 'street ball' or 'park play' hurts too. Because our players are always expected to 'perform' and achieve 'results'...so they have no opportunity for creativity, to take chances, to become better technical players. Simply put they will get yelled at or or worse be booted off their 'Development' Academy team.High School is to Soccer what Smash Up Derby is to Auto Racing.DCShore
I hear the team with 3 initials needs a goalie , uh oh!
North, South, or Shore?
To the post earlier about few possession based teams at the collegiate level - could you provide a few examples of those colleges and universities who DO play this style of ball? In your opinion, of course.
Just wondering how much college soccer anyone really ever get's to watch to be an expert.
I posted the possession comment and to the last poster, your correct I'm hardly an expert. I live close to a D1 ACC school and catch 4 to 5 games a year + watch a few games on TV especially the national championship run. In the ACC I would say UVA, FSU and Wake try to play a possession game. Out west Stanford, Protland, Santa Clara and Oregon State. These teams change every year due to students coming and going but the programs are trying.
Anyone besides me think NJX never should have merged with MF? Would have been much better off.
I think that NJX team had plenty of problems before MF came along. I live nearby and would never consider that team as an option for my kid due to their style of play. They might have been successful, but I never thought it was pretty. Of course now they don't exist, so maybe yes, they would have been better off remaining independent like TRE is planning.
@11:30AMNobody is claiming to be an expert but I think some opinions are better informed than others.I watch live local college soccer (DI, DII and DIII) and saw many of the college championship matches on TV. To be honest I can not thing of a single team that played possession oriented soccer. It is almost all direct. That is not to say that some players had the right stuff in terms of skill, and likely might even know how to play more possession based soccer. I just do not see a lot of it. I'm sure it exists somewhere. I'm a soccer rat that watches a lot of soccer. Club, High School, College, Pros, etc.Doesn't make me an authority but it there is foundation to most of the opinions and ideas I express. Would always like to watch more too but there are only so many hours in the day...and only so far I can travel.DCShore
imo - The NJX team that existed at this age group may have been better off without the MF merge but NJX as an overall club should get better recruitment moving forward being affiliated with MF long term.
My guess is there are more than just a handful of players/parents wishing some time back.Anybody in the actual know for the reason for the merger? Or was it yet another attempt to form a SUPER CLUB/BUSINESS?DCShore
I have one child on a younger NJX team moving to MF in the fall. NJX was having trouble hanging on to teams past the U14 year. They did not have the stable of coaches available to provide a higher level of coaching and would ultimately lose kids to other, more developed clubs. My younger child's team got to vote on whether to stay NJX or go MF next year. As we were disappointed with the NJX trainer we had and couldn't find other suitable training option, we voted to go MF. The kids are being trained by MF now and will be kept as a team next year. No big difference in fees frankly. To date, the training has been significantly better under the MF brand.
From a major d1 top 10 college head coach less then 24hrs ago. "Today's college game is direct and very fast. " Read into it what you want but her description and explanation sounded less like possession and more like long balls over the top.
Hate to break the news but MF doesn't have the stable of coaches /trainers either
The Tre players are not thugs, its there parents who are the thugs!
This seems appropriate for some reason...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gETP14z515QNOVA
for April 30, 2014 at 1:58 PM DON'T DO IT!!!!!!!!!!1run from MF
Nova, nice video, but it seems that by the nature of the comments on this blog it seems like the roles our reversed. Parent "I'm paying $3,000 a year for your to coach, how come we do not play a possession style game." Coach "we don't need to because we have all of these fast, big, strong girls."
9:42AMOr more likely, and I quote, "As a paid coach I cannot afford to lose". Some earlier and very wisely pointed out that the ideal time to do this training is when the players are younger, 7,8,9, 10, 11, 12 years old. WHO CARES if you lose games then? (somewhat rhetorical unfortunately)More importantly though, if you are not playing that game by 14-15 years old the chances are increasingly against that you ever will. CERTAINLY coaches and parents are even more hypersensitive (this blog case in point) about winning and losing. Now, in truth, the 'big, fast, direct' mentality is what you mostly see in the U.S. landscape (though certainly changing) and in truth I think this age (1--14 years) is where are seeing more and more of a split in this mentality. Players and Parents are in a bit of a predicament. That said, those who know THE GAME know what to look for. Even if we do not see it close at home.DCShore
Correct me if I'm wrong but what other sport can an entire team of super strong athletes be beaten by a team of highly technical/tactical less athletic players. Barca a few years ago had only a handful of players of size.
There are very few sports where the technical and tactical does not make a difference. Even Usain Bolt is highly technical runner.
Tim Tebow is a great athlete.
I know it's cliched but "speed kills".
When speed matches speed then the technical matters. I think we can all agree a strong, fast, technical player is ideal, but speed alone is in this game is not enough.
1222 very true, it is shame many coaches (especially paid professional ones) still favor the player that can beat anyone to the ball and then not know what to do with it!
9:42 & DCShore -That's exactly the problem. Coaches that belong to large clubs and Academy programs are evaluated by how much they win. That's why I prefer the situation that we have, where the team hires the coach as an independent contractor and has total control over matters. Fortunately, the parents on our team are all in agreement with the direction for our team - to have the girls improve, and learn to play soccer "correctly". We are lucky to have found a coach that shares this philosophy, and everyone has been patient enough and understands that it takes time before we will be able to see the long term goals and benefits.Too many of the other teams (from larger clubs) in the area have revolving coaches. If they don't win, their club replaces them. That doesn't help. And until we ditch the big/fast/direct approach from the grass roots level up through the ranks, we will continue to struggle at the international level.NOVA
Could it be that coaches favor the faster, stronger athlete because they believe they can train the girl on proper skill set but can't train speed or strength or height?
We have all watched team training, there is very little individual skill training it is mainly focused on team play. 3-4 hours a week with 18-25 kids gives no room for skill training. Some technical ability is learned other is developed, but kids need to be seeking out that skill training.
@1:!3That's the fallback position/excuse for most and I'd be wiling to accept it from some if I actually saw it in practice.DCShore
@1:13 you are exactly right. I've been around a lot of youth soccer and seen my share of tryouts. I have yet to see a coach that doesn't salivate over speed regardless of technical skills. And if you have elite speed forget it you are on the team. All these coaches have massive egos and think they can correct any flaw a player has. Sometimes they can but often times they don't. All coaches are trying to find the fastest, biggest most technical players they can. Last time I checked this was a running sport and there is a bare minimum speed you have to play at or you might as well try another sport.
The US has the best athletes and the best training facilities in the world. We have a college system like no other country in the world yet our men's teams can't compete with the best teams. Our women compete because we have more girls playing than anywhere else in the world. The best world teams have caught up in the women's game.In the 2011 World Cup Final, it would be hard to argue that Japan were faster or more physical, and without a last minute heroic goal against Brazil the US wouldn't have even made the final. We've seen the future of US soccer and it's not pretty. At least on the men's side they have taken HS Soccer out of the equation and have built free academies like you see with the Red Bulls. Klinsmann's hire was a recognition of a need to change. The women's game needs a change at the youth level if we want to put out the best soccer in the world. Leave the kids playing soccer in HS so you have to speand the early part of Spring breaking bad habits.
A State Cup game for PDA tonight, how many Gunners will be there?
@4:08Japan actually had much better ball skills too. That stood out more than anything else. The fact they were physical as gifted (or close) to the U.S. players is what made it all the more convincing.@2:25"Last time I checked this was a running sport and there is a bare minimum speed you have to play at or you might as well try another sport."Sure, but a well trained player can play much faster then their physicality would suggest because they are reading the game quicker and making quicker decisions. That is why so many folks (Klinsmann included) recognize and praise the U.S. program in term of athleticism but scoff at the actual developmental program of the sport in this country. At least to date.DCShore
4:48 Zero, but nice effort at trying to stir trouble although the game was not very competitive.
So gunners only show up if the game may be competitive?
Try as you must to twist anything about PDA into a negative. I would have thought the game would have been more competitive and the Pride played a nice game. A simple congratulations and good luck would be sufficient.
Why so defensive pride parent? You beat a non competitive team! Will you bring gunners to the semis and finals? I guess you have to wait to get word from the north if gunners have to pad the roster!
Bulldogs will win it all no matter who plays them. PDA can bring on Gunnar girls but njsa will take it all.
Me thinks PDA protests too much,,,
Out of interest at between the Jeff Cup, PDA Tournament, The NJ Cup and the regular season, how many Gunners have played with PDA South?
No gunners have played for pride entire spring. Gunners did play for pride in 3 or 4 NPL games in the fall.
Neglected to include 2 gunners guests for pride at FC Stars of Mass tournament in September.
@11:18 Bulldog parent bashing PDA, setting up excuses. Makes Bulldogs parents sound petty. Seen both Pride and NJSA many times. Very equal teams. No clear difference. Would be a fun match.
7:42 AM You know far too much about PDA so your disgruntled interest is very obvious. The fact is that anything that PDA South has accomplished or not accomplished this Fall has been without guests that is not going to change over the next week.
@7:44.... hopefully not a Bulldog parent but someone trying to stir the pot. Still games to be played before any finals matchup can be predicted. Let the kids play the game!
@8:19 Good Point. My mistake. .
Yep, let the NJ Cup be fought on the field not on a blog. Anyone that has had a team succeed in a tournament especially a knockout tournament like these know that it is a proud a accomplishment for the kids and they do not need their outcome diminished by a few sour prople on a blog. Good luck to all!!!!
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Delco flight movements. Some could have argued that Penn. Fusion wasn't good enough to play in the second bracket. They have been moved to the first despite a horrible results record??? What's up with that. They win like 33% of their games. TRE moved down to 2nd bracket with a 49% winning percentage against the same teams. I guess 1 ECNL club looking out for another.
Fc Delco flights-What happened to fc Copa they disappeared.
That club shares coaches so I bet Milan withdrew and is going to YMS with the rest of the Copa teams. Can't be in two places at once.
Yms is not the same weekend??
Did Copa lose to JU, was the a misprint?
wall state cup result?
The Virginia State Cup final four is set. The top two direct teams (ABGC & LMVS) square off in one semifinal and the top two possession teams (CSC & HYS) square off in the other. Should make for some great matches. Good luck to all.NOVA
calm down 8:02 AM the score was only 2-1 and JU has a roster of 29.
JU had 29 girls play it must have been tough for the coach to make subs with that many girls
Yms beats Pa Strikers in state cup. EPYSA finals set with Yms vs Ldc.
Only EPYSA would set the bracket up to have their 2 Region 1 Premier league teams meet in the semi final of the state cup.It was a Great game, just feels like it should have been the final and not a semi. Two really good teams Settled by PKs after 90 minutes of soccer. Fun to watch, great game girls!
EPYSA set the seeds with input from the coaches. YMS was the 4th seed. So they we're put in the bracket with the 1st seed while FC Europa (2nd seed) was put in the bracket with the 3rd seed LDC. Pretty standard stuff. No mistake. Congrats to YMS.
Any updates on Yardley Makefield Soccer tournament this weekend. Only tournament that posts a schedule a few days before. Low level tournament from a competition perspective, lousy fields for the money, etc. Only one quality team from YMS entered Pride. Xplosion declines-LOL. No top clubs as usual.Total money grab :(
Actually not a horrible tournament. Why wouldn't xplosion decline. Let's be honest you can only make the tournament available. Level of play depends on who signs up. Are you supposed to cancel if it's not what you hoped. How do you tag money grab on it. Look at Manhatten tournament this year. Very few non NY teams. Strange post. I do agree the schedule should be posted sooner. It's a little frustrating. But the director was busy beating Strikers yesterday. So cut him some slack.
To add to the YMS Epic event, poor available parking (limited passes per team), poor transportation from parking sites (get there way early), lousy poorly maintained fields (some of the worse fields of any event this size), lousy and limited concessions, and poor washroom facilities. Won't even get into the refing, but I have seen refs fight and argue with sideline parents each time I have been there. None of the money earned from this event has ever gone into maintaining the fields that's obvious. Better choices out there that weekend.
If you are so unhappy with Epic Tournament talk to your coach about attending a different tournament.
Coach hated Epic too, left years ago.
So funny with all that went on this weekend to have a Monday morning quarter back discussion trashing epic and Yms. Some of the fields are not so great. 8v8 field had a boulder sticking up when we were that age. But a lot of the fields are decent. And they do have a turf field. Perhaps they should ask local clubs for field use during the event. Epic has no control over the referee's there is an assignor. If we want to bash fields it could be never ending except for complexes like Germantown , USTC and striker park. They are few and far between. We've played on bad fields at JCup, Spirit. United and Manhatten. Dissent mean the tournament is crap.
Does anyone know what the planned roster size is for PDA Shore. I was told they want 20+ per team if they get enough players trying out and the ECNL has 24 rostered?
I would definitely ask about roster size. ECNL and NPL can only roster 18 per game. Personally, I would want to know that my daughter is in the mix of the top 13-15, otherwise you will likely be in a situation of either limited playing time or not even being rostered for game.
This is really getting out of control. Why would you have your child in a team of 20+. If they are not part of the starting 11 or top 18 when are they going to be seen by college coaches.I would rather have my child is a high level town team and be part of a group that is being developed This is detrimental to the development of your child and to her self image and confidence as a player but most of all as a human being. Sitting on the bench game after game is not going to make your child better. I don't care if you think that training is what matter. That's BS. I know a girl who was in a high level academy team for the last 6 years. This girl did not get much play time but trained with the team. The end result is that this particular girl and the parents just gave up and decided to take her out of soccer and have her go to college based on her academic abilities not soccer. This girl sat there for years and took the lack of play time and lack of interest from the part of coaches because they will not look at you unless you are part of the starting 11. Believe me my child just got 50% of her tuition paid to play soccer in D1 and she was one of the starting 11 on that girl's team. It's not worth the time and money. Your child deserves more!!!!
Congrats to Hershey elite fc 99 on winning Pa state cup yesterday. On to regionals!!http://www.hersheysoccer.com/news_article/show/382403?referrer_id=267860
1042 What are you smoking? Hershey elite did NOT win EPYSA state cup- it isn't even decided yet. The won the EPYSA President's cup. That means they are at best the what, 17th team in the eastern part of the state? No problem bragging about the win, but be accurate and don't try and lie about the level of the accomplishment. Are you delusional and/or did your coach tell you that your child is a "state cup champion"! and you needed to share your joy and pass on the misinformation.
You have to read the right up that poster put link to. Maybe the coach does not know either.
The Hershey coach is a notorious source of misinformation, at best, and a purposeful false advertiser to ensnare the children of clueless parents in Central PA, at worst.
1042 is insulting and disrespectful to all 19 of the teams that chose to compete in the true EPYSA "state cup". I have more respect for the teams that went out in the first round of the "State Cup" than this Hershey "elite" team. The EPYSA website clearly only calls the national championship series the "STATE CUP" to call the "PRESIDENT'S CUP" the State cup is purposefuly and fraudulently inflating your "accomplishment" Take proper credit for being king of those local town teams, not good enough to try and take on the bigger clubs. Do these parents really believe this? I bet its all over their instagrams and facebook pages.
My view is to lay off the dude who posted this and express your criticism towards the coach/club. When my daughter started playing it was in the South Jersey Girls League. They had fun playing and every year they played in the "State Cup." At that time I had no idea that there were two state cups, a championship level and a second level for the lower teams. If we won that, I would have thought we won the state cup. At that point I had no idea that JAGS existed, let only the regional leagues, ECNL, etc. We lived in our own SOuth Jersey world. It is his club that posted a link to a State cup win the guy just posted the link and congratulated his team. I read the link, and it is clearly deceitful and I can see where a parent could get the view they won the State Cup. Read the link, it even stats they are going to a USYSA Regional Tournament.
Is the coach writing this stuff? I cant believe that some of the better players in central PA are considering drinking his diet koolaide. Beware he doesn't allow his backs to cross the midfield (no idea what an attacking wing back is)and that pretty much tells you all you need to know about his "system" of play.
9:05 Maybe if their best team played, they might draw some decent competition. Decline and top clubs go away. Maybe they can't drawn them either. Sorry about the director not posting the schedules. I didn't know he was the head coach of that team that beat Strikers. Nothing like putting 1 team ahead of almost 300. Oh yah, where's the schedule? There better not be any dandelions on those fields.
Do you think they will cut the grass this time?
5:37Coaches use this ploy to justify hefty $$$. In the mean time a lot of the teams you play are less then $500 a year
Any talent at the PDA Shore tryout tonight?
Let me guess the PDA sales pitch, they are doing to DEVELOPE the girls into great players. And put them in front of college coaches, words probably repeated several time so parents start salvating at the possibility, because no on else is capable of that except PDA. Let me guess they are going to have two teams because there as well because there was so much talent as well. It's a money grab, five teams in the age group really? Sorry but the from what I've seen, the Bulldogs were just fine without PDA. Arguably one of the best in the area. Could of used a player or two, but they would have gotten them without going to PDA because they are a good team. Now they'll be caught up in the PDA carasole of moving player between teams and ruining another good team that was not DEVELOPED by PDA.
Does anyone yet know what roster size there will be a PDA Shore. A team of 22 kids doesn't sound like a great option.
PDA U15 girls teams will roster between 22 and 25 girls. Can you say "cha ching"!
YMS has not posted their schedules yet!!! I have 20+ people coming over for Mother's Day and I cannot give them a time for our brunch!!Terrible!!!!
Perhaps they are trying to secure better fields. ??
Hershey elite won the Presidents cup and will represent Pa in the regional tournament. That is all true. They are state champs for the presidents cup. Kind of a grey area the coach is using to his advantage. I'm sure people laugh but know one has complained to the club or him as it seams trivilia in the scope of things. But what's funny is reading all the posts they have below the state champs page. They recently defeated the number 3 team from Deleware. This guy should write for Espn. It's hilarious. http://www.hersheysoccer.com/page/show/925104-99-elite-fc-2013-14-
The core of this team came from the LDC and HMMS b teams. Oddly, he still coaches the HMMS b team despite stealing players to another club. Add some kids from town teams and there you have it: "elite". The coach is very young and passionate, but truly delusional as you can see by reading a mere sampling of the quotes above. He is the type of coach who spends hours practicing free kicks with a few kids while the others stand around. As previously stated he discourages the backs from attacking just to give you a flavor of how he really coaches. If anyone's child is thinking of joining this team be very wary. Not only are his training methods questionable, he is greatly influenced by a group of parents. This is his first team heading to high school and does he have any track record with college coaches? Personally wouldn't let my kid have anything to do with this team. There is a great deal of unrest in Central PA right now and some may drink up this marketing language. All I can say if your child is considering this team is to make sure you are an informed consumer. Leave you with another intriguing quote from the Hershey website:Hershey Elite FC 99 Girls Win Top Flight at Hempfield Tournament!(of course this at best second level tournament never even concluded after being terminated after a day for dangerously cold and windy conditions)11/24/2013, 5:30pm ESTComing off wining the 2013 PAGS Championships (let me point out as he won't- it was at the D2 level), the Hershey Elite FC 99 Girls entered the cold weekend moving the ball well and scoring nine goals in the previous two games. The first opponent for the girls were, Northern Steel, #8 Ranked Team out of PA West. Good luck with tryouts to all the kids.
Gunners had a nice turn out at tryouts...
Matchfit had a great turn-out also. Seems to me they are moving in the right direction.
Why are the Gunners having tryouts? Did the Development stop?DCShore
I wouldn't say that the Development has stop, because we all know, that that is continuing effort, just like anything else. Every team in the state holds tryouts. Its a way that they can see if any other girls out there that haven't been seen yet or looking to more from their current team. Didn't your team host tryout DC
PDA typically cuts their bottom 1/3 every year, where is the development there?
Actually quite a few good teams do not hold open announced tryouts. It's an invitation only tryout. If interested contact coach. Not rare. Especially if your developing your own talent.
2:19 Last time I check this was "competitive" soccer?If a girl gets cut most of the larger academies will place them on one of their lower level teams. If for some reason she make it on one of those there is always rec.
So the Hershey "Elite" team or delusional coach objected to people taking issue with their false claims regarding "state cup championships". Apparently also miffed at posts citing extraordinarily inflated documentation of accomplishments and had several posts deleted. The posts were mostly simply reiterating what was on their website etc. The toms river, PA Strikers and PDA posts are far worse. Cant seem to withstand the scrutiny, sorry to burst your bubble...
I ask again, where is the development? Is the coach admitting he selected the wrong type of player the previous year or is he not capable of developing players? They obviously showed promise at the previous year's tryout, or did they just have their checkbook out?
When you say that there are several "GOOD TEAMS" that don't host tryouts, please list them....no I will better that please list ONE. Trust me everyone has tryouts no matter what level you are coaching or on. Its the American way. Hey if you are inviting "SELECTIVE KIDS" to practice invites...NEWSFLASH but its a tryout and you are seeing if the kids fits your teams needs PERIOD. Nothing wrong with it but to say that people don't have tryouts you just straight bugging.
@1:57PMNo, our team did not host a tryout. All development done within existing ranks. If a player quits/leaves/moves a tryout is held. The team is by all definition a 'good' team. Nothing more, nothing less. You can either accept this point or not.For all the good that PDA can do for a player, and YES there is quite a bit. The great BAD they do is take on player/parents with the false promise that they are committed to those players. Committed to DEVELOPING them. I know a parent (not close friends but through soccer) burned by this. YES, you can make the argument that their child was in the bottom 1/3 and at risk, NO you cannot say these expectations were properly communicated to them. After 4 seasons the kid that was 'recruited' to the team was told they were no longer 'good enough'. Where was the development? In truth this player is still playing at 'academy' level on another team. (some parents never learn).3:34PM is on point.PDA and its fairly strong - strong staff is more than capable of developing players. Imagine they just took a team from TR (did not have to be Everton or Milan) maybe another team in the group and worked with them. NO, they would not be topical on a message board like this (thankfully, and at least not in the short term) but CERTAINLY that team and all of its individual players would improve. THE REALITY is that they grab a bunch of athletes and skilled athletes and run them through the system keeping while continually scanning for the next 'great kid'. They just choose the business side of things (winning) over development. FACT.Unfortunately you only get to charge club rates when you actually develop players. I applaud their business sensibilities but if they were in the soda business they would not be able to put "Development" on their label because of labeling laws.DCShore
Well DC sorry but I don't believe you and thats okay. See when you say that "OUR TEAM"....all you're doing is hiding behind the fact. See in my eyes "OUR TEAM" has a name, but then your lies on this blog have got you so twisted that you are handcuffed and shackled because you could never say the name of the club that your children belong to because you couldn't take it if the mirror was pointing back at you and you had to actually see or deal with the bones in your closet. I am okay with that because I am sorry to say it but and I hate using the words but you are a LIAR and that I will except. Your "FACT" is not a FACT but more of your OPINION. You not saying what team at U14 that your child plays for is a FACT that you can't handle that mirror pointing back at you because it is a FACT that your club, team etc has TRYOUTS and that is a FACT and my kid plays (at least at the moment) for PDA which is a FACT and take a stab at the club, coaches all you want, this is blog and thats cool and fair game but never the team its self or the kids which I have never seen you do but you are HANDCUFF and SHACKLED for the FACT that I am right about your club and you are soooo wrong about ours
4:09 you are delusional my friend. Keep drinking the PDA kool aid, it will refresh you as you wait for your kid's ten minutes of playing time when they roster 25.
Sounds like Copa. They take PDA castoffs.
Regarding tryouts, I've seen it done both ways. My son was on a team (single team, small club) where the kids all tried out every year. No roster spots were "guaranteed" (except for the manager's son and friends). In this situation, "development" is bypassed in order to field the most competitive team so they can win. In a true development model, the club would have multiple teams and shift the kids between teams to put them where they would benefit the most (and therefore develop). My daughter is on a team (non-DA) where they don't necessarily hold "open tryouts" but if someone is interested in the team they come practice with us as often as they can and the coach evaluates them. This happens from time to time throughout the year, which makes it much more easier for the kids. "Tryout Season" is always a pain because most clubs have their sessions at the same time, so if you are looking to change clubs for whatever reason, it makes it hard to get a good sampling of what's available. The coach isn't looking to make more than 1-2 changes at the end of the year, and if someone is asked to switch to another team, it's usually only done if it's a mutual decision. In this respect, it's truly a development environment.If DA is dropping 1/4 to 1/3 of their age group roster every year, then they aren't doing their job right. In a true DA Academy, no one would be cut. That's why most of the larger clubs and DA's have 4-5 teams at each age group. Dropping the kids that aren't competitive enough makes it sound more like a Performance Academy, not a Development Academy. I guess a lot of it would depend on the kids & parents as well. If someone is at the lower end of the spectrum competitively, are they willing to practice and not play as much? NOVA
TRE is looking to up its roster to 18 and will give you all the soccer you could want to play. Great Training Great atmosphere.Tuesdays Paddy Oniell indoor facility 530 to 7pm.Thursdays Shelter cove field 13 7pm to 830 firstname.lastname@example.org
pda does not host a roster of 25; they have a consistent roster of 18 or 19. those other players are not with the gunners, but players from pride and the athletica. those players have never played a real game with the gunners.
NOVA Why is it the clubs fault if a player does not develop? All of these girls develop at a different pace and some never develop. Some of you guys live in a fantasy world that revolves around the idea that everyone gets equal minutes and nobody gets cut? That's called recreational soccer not club. Our club has open practices and anyone from the outside can come. If a player is great and has the talent to make the team they will be added ASAP. No one will be cut (for current year) but you could see minutes reduced. For players that aren't at the same development level as the girls on the top team, they move you to a team that best suits their current development level. That's certainly the right thing to do right? I understand I'm speaking from the prospective of a large ECNL club, and I know things are different for smaller town clubs, as my daughter used to play for one. But show me any club that is not willing to take on better players and if need be move existing players somewhere else to make room, and I will show you a club that is stagnating and not challenging their players to be the best they can be.SID
@4:09What a long, laborious and unlettered response. I consistently give PDA the praise and criticism it deserves.I do not reveal specifics about our team and club precisely because NOBODY CARES if our team wins, loses, has a great coach, won a tournament. And because we are not self absorbed seeking compliments from our kids, ciaches and trainers efforts. Some of us are actual soccer people, interested in the sport and bot just soccer parents. Some of know when to be each.DCShore
SID -"For players that aren't at the same development level as the girls on the top team, they move you to a team that best suits their current development level. That's certainly the right thing to do right?"That's exactly what I said should be done.
@7:16The ultimate cop-out reason in my opinion. All players develop differently and to different level. Actually prove my point and that of NOVA's quite well. Not up to the standard of the top 2/3, we'll find better players. Not other players to 'develop'.DCShoreWe all have our opinions.DCShore
Girls aren't involved with the USSF Developmental Academy (DA) what are you talking about? Boys?
We're talking about Development Academies in general, like PDA, Matchfit, PA Classics, etc. They all have girls teams.NOVA
@6:29 so the roster just lists some names of girls from the lower level teams but they never play games or tournaments with you? How nice of you!
I don't see why everyone hates pda so much. If they want to drink the "Kool-Aid", let them. No point of going online and bashing them when you have nothing to do with it.what are you trying to gain by writing negative comments about pda? please start talking about real soccer.
NJSA or Freehold. Score for cup gam
NOVA I don't know any good teams that are replacing a 1/3 of their players every year? We have a good team and we are lucky if we add 2 players a year, we average 1. If you are adding a 1/3 you are not a very good team. There are about 4 or 5 players who could help us but they would have to leave their teams and they aren't very close so I doubt that will happen. The soccer community is small we know all the best players in a 50 mile radius. SID
Can the poster claiming PDA cuts 1/3 of their roster give examples of specific teams who had the bottom replaced by incoming new players?
Why does Delco bother giving dates they will release stuff They never follow through. They move the date then don't hit either. It would be better to give no info then bad info.
Congrats Freehold! Nice to see a club team moving on.
@7:21 I KNOW!
@DC Shore May 7, 2014 at 7:06 you responded just as I said you could and only can and that’s SHACKLED and in HANDCUFFS buddy. Although you sit and criticize PDA and you through these darts at them in the dark as if what you are saying is fact. As I said and I hate using this phrase but once again you are a LIAR and I sit here laughing at you because the reason you give for not saying what team or club you belong or are affiliated with is totally bogus and everyone on here knows that lol. See I am mirror in your world and right now you can’t stand the reflection that you see. I am telling you that I care about where you associated with I do care because to me as long as your kid is happy and playing here’s another NEW FLASH for you……..THATS ALL THAT MATTERS, and you don’t have to be “SOCCER PEOPLE” lol lol (that’s funny you even say that) but you don’t have to be “soccer people” to understand that. Please don’t give us that BS about nobody cares about my kids teams win or loss bullcrap lol lol. Just look in this mirror and you will see the reflection that you can’t stand because if nobody really cares about your children’s club then why do you care so much about someone else’s. What does it matter to you what kids PDA cuts, release, tryout etc. Why does it matter to you what they are charging and not charging. Why does that matter to you. What about your club….yeah what about that. Let’s compare apples to apples or apples to oranges. What is the name of your club so that I can see how far or how close PDA is to what we are getting and what you are getting and what type of training is offered at you club. I am sure there are great coaches there I would hope so. To be honest a great coach is someone that does it for “FREE” that my honest opinion and I know that this is a job and career choice for some of these coaches but in my opinion the best YOUTH coaches coach and teach the game for FREE. Mind you I am a PDA parent and sure there are so good coaching going on there but it’s no different than where you are at I bet. The different is the pool of kids that they are getting that’s what makes the difference. Believe me that’s not soccer its sports and no matter coaching you have or got, if you don’t have the pool of players that can make it happen and a coach that knows how to work with that pool of players then guess what that pool of players mean nothing. Once again DC Shore stay in those Shackles my buddy and please don’t mind that reflection in this mirror you’re looking in but it’s you that you see.
I will say again since I am catching up on my reading @DC Shore and Nova that in my opinion I think Club soccer is really hurting the development of kids as a whole. Each year more and more kids are being missed or left totally out and some or even turned away from the sport and for what….that statement can be answered with a lot of answers as $$$, or lack of it or for the fact that kids are giving maybe one or two months to show that they have developed before the coach or coaches have crossed them off and maybe started looking for the next best thing. I truly feel that the reason why youth sports are hurting and not just in soccer but a lot of the other sports is that people think that in order to be good that you have to do it all the time. I have this conversation with people all the time. When does soccer season end? Does it end or is there a stoppage of some sort, I think not. It’s just not soccer it’s a lot of the youth sports now. Everybody thinks that they are going to make the better players with that model. I tend to think when you look at the highest level in any sports those players may not be the best at their position or on the field but you have to say that they are some of the best athletes walking. There are tons of soccer players and football players and basketball players etc but what we are lacking is pure athletes that make the difference. I was watching the Red Bulls this weekend play (professional) and I was watching the game to try and learn as I always do when I am watching sports but I wanted to learn and see how they play the game. I will say that I didn’t see great soccer but what I did see was some good athletic players on both sides of ball. Same goes for I happened to watch Real Madrid play and I was looking at Ronaldo and in my opinion he could be the one of the best athletes on the field at any given time. I will not say he is the best soccer player or great but I will say his athleticism is what makes him the player his is in my opinion. But how do we mimic that and those little examples as the Marta’s, Mia Hamm, Sydney Ler. etc for our girls how do we. Do we say you need to play MORE soccer or do we say you need to do other things, other than soccer to make you a BETTER athlete which WILL help you be a better soccer player maybe. That’s just my opinion and just wondering
Congrats Freehold. Seems that may be the town team to go to next year if you're looking for a good place and an alternative to the academies.
Freehold's success so far in the CUp is a good example of good soccer winning out over just populating teams with the best athletes and trying to develop them. They play good soccer and that makes them competitive. As for 8:56, the idea that pure athletes make the difference in soccer. Ronaldo is a unique coming together of athleticism and soccer skill and the guy ahs an amazing soccer work ethic when his team practice ends. If soccer was about pure athleticism, then the US would be more competitive than it is because the US has the best athletes in the world with more people playing sports at a young age. It is well document and you can search google and find many articles that the pitfall of US Soccer and England Soccer is the focus on winning, sped, and size at a young age whereas most of the rest of Europe focuses on skills early and has a much higher training to game ratio. There is a great article about the crisis of youth soccer in England and how there are so few English players in the BPL. In this article there was an example of th the coach and the parents rewarding the 9 year old for scoring goals after kicking the ball down the field and beating the entire defense to the ball. That is great for a successful 9 year-old team or one specific 9 year-old, but it does little for the rest of the kids on the field, but the team won.
overheard parents chatting about Holmdel NJX Barcelona team reuniting and core group of girls are coming back. can anyone confirm if this is accurate? if so when and where are tryouts?
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