Ah... some of the coaches have actually talked to the club coaches about the players they liked at Sanford or Disney. Or they personally emailed the club coaches and it's the club coaches that pass on the email with the coach's cell number. It is not the ID camp thing; it's the real deal, but keep trying to dimish the kids who did get interest. You don't know what you're talking about. The better teams are handing our player profiles and recording the coaches scouting the games. The players know which coaches were watching, if one they notified of interest was there, and which game a cold call coach saw.
Anyone sending a kid to a college ID camp, combine especially the top drawer ones? Any tips from people with older kids?
Jeff cup acceptance list is posted.http://www.gotsport.com/events/teamlist.asp?eventid=39084
PDA North can be be difficult for those kids that are talented but are not in the coaches favor.You must remember that there is a PDA inside of PDA for the favored few. it is often about talent but necessarily.Your experience can be a great one- neutral one or a negative one. Those that talk about the virtues of this club so openly are usually in the inner circle of PDA.It is not what I call the median experience, The median experience can be cold and a bit cut throat.
Thank you 1032 for being honest and telling it exactly like it is. My daughter was in the inner circle at first and all was peachy, then, the inner circle parents got in the coach's ear and she was relegated to the outer circle. Our experience ran the gamut, in retrospect, it was never a healthy environment.
The last 2 post were right on with there comments
Wow 3 unhappy pda poster in a a row I luv itNow tell me what you thought about the showcase
NPL showcase was a joke, we should have stayed home!
I really cant justify the expenseI.did not see any college coachesnot that they were not there perhaps they were looking at tthe older girls games but none were at my daughters games and.there was not very good competition They should have kept the better teams in the.same brackets so what if pda vs pda occursHotel was nice
10:32That is the accurate description of this club that I have ever read on this blog!
Anyone at the Penn State or UVA ID clinics yedterday? They were both closed when I thought to look for my kid and I wondered how they are and if I shuld be looking far in adcance now for future clinics.
my daughter played 2 years for PDA Atletica U11/12. it was a great experience, the team was composed of the next 18 girls out of about 90-100 who tried out for the 4 spots for the Gunners that did not get accepted.PDA figured there was enough talent in the next 20 or so to form another team. I remembered the speech about how we were a Club, not just teams.They were the best players in the teams they came from, lots of creativity, confidence and the parents were the best (except one or two of course). We went to the State Cup finals against the Gunners and lost 1-0. She was cut after 2 years due to injury - no hard feelings. We played in the highest levels - Eclipse Cup in Chicago, Jeff Cup. Even thought our coach was awesome, we're glad she's not interested in playing in that environment. It's really about what your daughter wants. The college nonsense is bullshit. Academics is the way to go - Soccer is just another extra-curricular, like Music or Art
9:03 I recall those tournaments a bit differently than you. Eclipse? AtLetica went 0-3 and had a goal diffetential of 0-11 over those 3 games. Cost to parents to fly daughters out to get their butts whipped? $1,000. Jeff Cup not much better.
@903. Where did your daughter go after pda ? Is she still playing ?
@ 9:03 “The college nonsense is bullshit. Academics is the way to go - Soccer is just another extra-curricular, like Music or Art”Agreed. Spot on.
Says the parent of the kid with no talent
Says the parent who's kid is also a gifted artist.
10:11 - yes, true, but we got to see how good other U-11 Teams are. It was really an eye-opener.11:09 - she went to Match Fit, and she's still playing, but on a lower level Club. We're more interested in training for the long run, just to get the development11:40 - she may not be as talented as the other girls still in PDA/MF, but she's the Valedictorian of her middle school and plays piano, bass and guitar. We're not counting on soccer to get her accepted, and even if she was super-talented, I don't think she'll even consider schools that will offer her an athletic scholarship, unless the name happens to be Princeton (LOL), or something comparable.
People on here don't want to acknowledge that some of the u15 kids are going to be accepted into schools, where the class valedictorian with 2400 SAT didn't get accepted, because of her soccer ability and decent enough grades and scores to prove she can do the work. Others will go to college for free or nearly free and experience the joys of intercollegiate athletics -yes I was a 4 year letter winner in college and loved every minute of it. yes my child has seen serious top 10 interest already- such early interest is not an urban myth. You guys are just trying to make yourself feel better as you realize that your kids' soccer will end before college. You wouldn't be on this board if you didn't care about your kids' soccer or maybe you are just really...peculiar.
1215 I am sure there is an "art board" for you to frequent since your child isn't gifted in soccer
A kid can get college credits while in H.S. in addition to grants & scholarships for arts & music. That’s more than you can get for soccer.
@ 12:22 “People on here don't want to acknowledge that some of the u15 kids are going to be accepted into schools, where the class valedictorian with 2400 SAT didn't get accepted”After college your top 10 soccer player will be going to work for the 2400 SAT kid
Any decent player is going to find a college to play in at some level. The difference is some kids focus on their kid playing and others focus the name of the club and trying to live through the playing of their child. We all know the parent you are, the one who gives your kid a big speech before a game, the one who's kid has to look over to the sideline for approval every 5 minutes, you the one who yells out a set of code words so your kid follows your direction. You probably still pay your kid to score goals. You can talk to a lot of gifted kids who brag about the club they play of the school they are trying to get into, or that they day after a showcase a bunch of schools contacted them, and yes believe or not there are gifted kids that play soccer and have other serious interests, even if there are parents like you who make your priorities your kids.
12:48 Maybe even serving them dinner.
"the one who yells out a set of code words so your kid follows your direction."Seen a parent with hand signals...like baseball signals. CERTIFIABLY crazy parent.DCShore
I don't really care if my daughter plays for her College team, as long as she keeps active in athletics. We've scaled down on the soccer expectations because this is the reality. And there's just not that much time after academics and her other interests. Getting her the training and experience so she can at least have that on her resume is enough. I know that even Ivy League looks for athletes, after academics of course. One thing I won't do is let her attend just any school because they're giving her money for college. She's played for most of the top clubs in NJ and we've learned a lot along the way. She decided it's not for her, so I accepted that. Three years ago I would have persuaded her to get more training and stay at the top level but things change, kids grow up. I grew up.Oh, and I read this blog because it's hilarious entertainment.
Wait, your all not giving your kids hand signals? How will they know what to do?... LOL
"Seen a parent with hand signals...like baseball signals. CERTIFIABLY crazy parent"DCShore, Are you referring to a PDA ECNL Dad? I know him. LOL
You know what is really funny, there are still parents paying their kids to score goals, and its not a dollar like when your kid was 5. Now that encourages team play.
I understand parents of kids who don’t have anything other than soccer to offer to a college, they should be extremely focused on the athletics angle. In actuality, women’s soccer is very low on the scale of talents to get college dollars. Academics #1.
The chances of anyone going to college for "free or nearly free" because of a soccer scholarship are extremely low.Only around 10% of girls that play in high school actually play in college. Only 14 full-time equivalency scholarships are available per D1 team, and those are usually spread amongst the team. I believe the average athletic scholarship across all sports is less than $10,000 when you don't include football and basketball scholarships.In reality, you kid will get more merit based financial aid than athletic aid, so tell them to study.
If academics don't count, why do we have to post our child's GPA on our team's website? AND why do some parents fudge it? I know fora fact of a mom entering a 4.0 when her child can barely break Cs. AND this parent still pays her kid for scoring high school and club goals. Scary...
Some of you are just being flat out mean to each other on this lol lol....does it really matter if your kid goes to a top 10 school for sports or academics. Trust me I preach to my kid about grades are the most important thing to a student athelete because without them you will not be able to play this game that you love or like so dearly for long. I would disagree that those who don't get a 2400 on the SAT or have a 4.0+ GPA will have those as myself who the highest I ever received on the SAT's was a 990 and thats out of 1600 but clearly I had a couple of best friends that got perfect scores and does that make them better than me or does that give them more opportunities than me....certainly not but what it did do was give us both opportunities in different manners. At the end of the day its not about what you know is WHO you know. There are plenty of Princton Grads without jobs. That is no knock on Princton because as I said my best friend in High School attended and he is a fine lawyer and still best friend. A lot of what people are saying on this board is their own insecurities to this whole soccer stuff and thinking too far ahead. I will say this and I don't care who you are or where you from doesn't matter to me but I have not seen one girl that I have not thought was legit or had the ability to be. Mind you parents these girls are still "BABIES" they barely can go into the bathroom without us asking them did they wash their hands lol lol lol. I mean cmon each and everyone of these kids whether she is at PDA, MATCHFIT, WOrld Class, FC Copa, Freehold, Jackson etc has just the same opportunties and the other. It comes down to what that kid whats to do at the end of the day. Those kids that want to be great then guess what that kid will be as long as they keep working hard and going after their dreams, will that same kid be a great student and go on to be successful in something other than sports......I bet again they will if they choose to work hard and continue to strive to be the best that they can be. Scholarships are not my concern...now my kid I am sure she wants one but trust me I tell her all the time Scholarship are not something that is given but something that is earned and if you have it you better be willing to earn year in and year out. No such thing as a 4 year scholarship. Same goes if you have an academic scholarship its year to year so don't think you got it made there either. Do I give my kid a talk before each game HECK YEAH I do....I tell her to do HER JOB I don't care about scoring or defending. Thats not my concern as a parent. I remind her to do her DAG ON JOB........whatever the coach ask she better be doing it. I for one don't need hand signals my voice can be heard clearly....yeah yeah I know I shouldn't say anything but I am a fan and I can't help myself sometime. Anyway stop being mean to each other lol lol Eric Harris
We need a new rule, posts should be 300 characters or less.
Better yet everyone should have to register a first and last name with club affli.. Thats GREAT RULE....Eric Harris
Based on the history, you would then have to enjoy the conversation with yourself. At least you would get someone agreeing with you al the time.
@1:29, can you say "ball hog"! lol
@3:14Hilarious! Especially since I would be one of the rule breakers!Students should choose the school that best matches their academic interests. Walk on to tryouts.If you don't make the team there is always intramurals.Enjoy life and Enjoy the game for as long as you can, school and beyond.DCShore
Yes - DCShore - Intramurals can be such fun.Hey Eric, brother, there's a lot of mean people out there but I know it will never change you - just say it like it is.Alex (Gaby's Dad)
PDA, Match Fit, and all the other top clubs sell themselves through fear that in fact, every player does NOT have the same opportunities. They claim that their players get better opportunities than all the others.They use this fear to heavily monetize youth soccer. So really, do PDA players really just have the same opportunities as every other player?
@7:29I hope you were being sincere.DCShore
DCShore - yes I am. I know Eric when my daughter was at PDA and we've remained friends on the sidelines. You may not agree with him or the way he expresses himself but at least he's real, honest and doesn't hide behind anonymity. It's more than I can say about most of the posters here. PDA is not for everybody, us included. But if your daughter never played for these clubs you'll never know what it means and you'll forever be on the outside and it's easy to trash talk. There's good and not so good, but all things being equal, it's so much better to have experienced belonging to PDA, MF, World Class, and the like. My daughter has played in 6 clubs in 7 years and players/parents in these academies are generally classier and have more social skills than the rest. Even though some of them will stab you in the back, they'll do it with a smile. I would say 75% of the families in these academies are great to deal with, as opposed to over 50%+ that are obnoxious in the other places. This is from my own personal experience.
Can I ask why your daughter played with so many clubs ? Was it difficult for her to change ? And what county do you live in that you are geographically able to make that work ? Inquiring minds want to know !
It's not a matter of whether or not I agree with Eric.Most of the time I really don't even understand him.What I can tell is that his daughter is in a good spot for herself, which is ok by me.DCShore
Sure. Those that know me and my daughter would know this to be true. At U10 she played for a travel team in Bayonne but wanted to take it to the next level and there wasn't any program around Hudson County that we thought was good - back then I knew absolutely nothing about youth soccer, and still wished I didn't. It was so simple.She played for summer select at STA U-10 but one day we were invited by a friend to try out for PDA. I didn't know what/who they were. She was accepted for the then 2nd team Atletica and stayed for 2 years until cut due to injuries.She played Super-Y for Match Fit summer pre-U-13 then accepted to the newly formed Match Fit (North) NPL Team, formerly the Roxbury Rovers. Great team, very athletic players but really not her style of play. There was a lot of turmoil as MF was getting accepted into ECNL and we decided to leave.Ended up at Copa at U-14, great organization, a place that we thought was home until we had a falling out with the principals, which I would not discuss here.So, we're with GFA/TSF Valkyries U-15. Great club - excellent training year round 4 times a week if you want it, indoors and out. Metuchen Sportplex has WiFi, hot running water in the bathrooms, tables, chairs to catch up on work.Is that enough detail for you?
@ 9:54 PM What’s the cost at GFA? Is it around the same as PDA/Copa or is it significantly less?
Alex, man what imformation you gave bro and trust me you know I am going to continue to be me regardless the dude on the porch is saying or says. Alex you hit some spots right on and not only that you use your name which in my eyes is even more reason why people should listen and respond to what you wrote. The one thing that hit home for me was the fact that you said that Gab got cut. I don't blame that Gab but I do blame that on PDA because I am totally against cutting any kid when you are in the business of developing. Just think of when she was cut and I will say cut because it comes from you and your word is your bond and I know you and I know you would not tell some made up story but any club that says they are development or whatever should see the process out for every kid. When the Gunners/Atletica group was about 50 kids deep I was so happy because I actually thought that why play games outside your club when you can just have scrimmages inside your club and control the environment and not worry about the winning aspect but the development which is most important. When you think about it Gabs best soccer years are yet to come because she is still growing as a person outside of being a player. That is one thing that I don't like about youth sports and maybe its the academy setting that gets at me but I feel there is no need to cut any kid. We as culture want our kids to experience that "EUROPE" style of soccer but we do the exact opposite as clubs and sometimes parents. I will still say that there has not been one kid that I come across that I feel will not make it. Coaches do have their say but the fact that you have moved Gab to a place you deemed meets your expectations only shows that you have it right. Its not about the letters on your chest its about what is best for your her and that she continues to get better and develops as player and person outside of the game. I still need to find out where you guys are having your parties so that I can crash it lol lol lol Eric Harris
Hey Eric - although she was disappointed that she wasn't returning the next season, there were no hard feelings anywhere. We parted in good terms and. The then coach was clear it wasn't his choice to cut players and the only fair criteria was who had missed the most training/playing time. She missed the girls and we missed the parents. She's happy with where she is in soccer, and not interested in that high-pressure environment. For us, we can do without the trips to Chicago, Florida or farther.We have learned a lot along the wayIt's all good, bro-Alex
@954 wow, thank you very much for being so forthcoming, detailed and organized. sometimes I read conversations on here and I can't follow them b/c of my lack of knowledge and the fact that other than eric harris, soccer nut and the DC shore guy, no one uses a name (including myself for that matter). Your daughter has had an interesting journey. My hat is off to her for being able to make so many changes - I know that it can be hard going to new places and not knowing anyone, especially in a competitive environment. I'm glad you have found a happy home w/ the Valkyries, and thank you for telling your story.PS: To cut someone b/c of an injury is really sucky IMO, especially if it was a soccer injury.
@9:54PDA was by far least expensive - no extra fees for tournaments or Coach expenses, but that was 3 years ago. MF and GFA are about the same but in GFA/Valkyries we receive a lot of training options, minimum 3x a week
When my daughter was at Match Fit, we had to pay 2,400 for the year which only included training 2x a week. Uniforms, pre-season camp, Futsal, tournaments, coaching and travel fees for tournament, winter league all that was separate so we were in probably 3,500 a year and training was subpart!!Our current club includes training two or three times a week and we do not have to pay extra for tournaments and coaching fees. Training is much better and coach treat players like human beings not just like another number!!
In reference to the other post about posting our daughter's GPA on our website, how do other's feel about it? Do you believe the other poster's claim that parents lie?
Is there a growing difference between the top tier and the rest? Europa and Stallions are bottom of the table in mid tier flights at Disney? Are the top teams consolidating talent this year?
@Jan13 8:17pmIf you don't mind saying, which club is your daughter playing with?
Parents don't lie, everything posted here is 100% correct without anything but good motives.
Jeff cup top bracket with YMS. Think they might be slipping. Would have rather seen what Stikers could have done against the ECNL. Will get an idea though with the hybrid Usysa/ ecnl fc Va team in the mix.
Penn Strikers are in Nevada for Nat'l League, but I suspect they would have been the choice for the top bracket had they entered.All flights are now posted:http://www.gotsport.com/asp/directors/tournament/vieweventteamscleanb.asp?EventID=39084&Group=Girls_15
The full Jeff Cup brackets are out. Do people think this is a fair reflection of the region. We've had the debate here before, but I am a bit surprised that with a few exceptions the NPL teams seem to be playing all in the lower brackets.It will also be interesting to see how the non-ECNL clubs compete with the ECNL clubs.
The JeffCup brackets seem decent. We all know the shortcomings of GS rankings, but within each state they seem to be fairly reasonable.They seemed to do a fair job of spreading the talent out across the divisions. The GS Point allocations are pretty evenly spread amongst the divisions. Champion 10,000, Elite Orange 9000, Elite Black 9500, and Superior both at 8000.The Elite brackets look to have teams ranked in the top 1-3 (state ranking) and at least one ECNL team in each bracket. That seems acceptable. There are a few teams with higher rankings that are further down, but it looks like they looked at recent performance more than just point totals.In my opinion, the only glaring mistake is putting Richmond ECNL in the Champions division. I think even putting Bethesda in there is a bit of a stretch, but if they wanted to put at least one ECNL team in each group, who else was there? With FC Penn out of town, I think there's several other teams that could make a strong case. In any event, Group B certainly is the weaker side on paper. Group A looks like the Group of Death.I will pick NEFC over Cleveland in the Championship final.
With the exception of Gunners, the PDA 2-4 teams are placed higher than they deserve. They are receiving the benefit of the PDA marketing machine and their over- hyped exaggeration of the NENPL league and florida mini showcase.
The whole NPL is getting benefit. Anyone playing at an NPL team were told that that it will be the next best thing to the ECNL and you can earn your way to the ECNL. Yet, they are almost all playing in low brackets at the Jeff Cup.
@336That s right !
Just looking for advice. We joined a new team and were promised high level tournaments. So far we have not done not even one tournament and are doing three local tournaments in the Spring (low level) The team is around 2,400 a year a training 2x a week year round. NO winter league, no scrimmages, no high level tournament. Is this correct?
Is it a new team or an established team.
Well at least all the PDA teams should win their brackets, right?
How's the coach? Do you feel the training is quality? Are the other kids at or above the talent level of your child? Do you have other options? Guesting?
@8:54 - It all really boils down to what you think the best thing is to move towards whatever her goals are (playing in college, or just improving and playing for fun). If you think the top level tournaments are what your kid needs to progress, and you think she needs training more than 2x a week, then it sounds like it's no good. If, on the other hand, she likes the team, enjoys training, and is getting something out of it, then it would be tough to leave.
With all the whinning I had to look at the Jeff Cup brackets and to be honest I think there is no Championship Bracket or Elite for that matter. I really think they did a good job in spreading out teams based on location. To be honest I see teams in the Classic and Platinum that could beat teams in the Championship Bracket. Trust some of my buddies down in Florida aren't happy with where they are placed until I explained to them that some of the teams in that bracket are very good and could beat any team in this tournament on any given day. I will say I really like the Elite Black grouping. That is a bracket that so many stories could be made. You have FC Copa, Manhattan, Everton, ISA who have been and still top teams in the region let alone maybe country when they are healthy. Thats just my opinion Eric Harris
If your team was promised high level tournaments. It is hard to get into a tournament without Got Soccer points. For all the criticism of GotSoccer, tournaments cannot know every team. You should talk to your coach who may be trying to accumulate points with local tournaments before trying to get accepted to high level tournaments.If you look at the Jeff Cup brackets beyond the ECNL clubs it is clear that the Jeff Cup used Got Soccer rankings to determine place.While $2400 is on par with the big clubs, you have to assess that agains the value you receive, coaching, quality of the training, etc.$2400 is a reasonable price based on the current market. If you played for PDA, you pay $2500 regardless of whether you play for the Pride or the Gunners yet in one you get exposure to the high level stuff and in the other you are a second sister trying to prove yourself. But the coaching time and is the same and that's the price you pay. Are you better off on a second or third team at PDA or a Match Fit or on a smaller club trying to build something, at least your child may get more focused attention at a smaller club.
8:08 AM with the exception of the Gunners, I don't think any PDA stands a chance of getting out of their brackets. They all should be at least one bracket lower. The Vegas bookmakers came out with the over/under on the total Pride goals in the tournament. Based on last years output, they set it at 1.
Sheesshhhh...you had me nervous for a minute I actually though you might know something about soccer lol lol....I am just glad that your Vegas Bookmakers aren't mine because they are straight robbing you because with this being a "SHOWCASE" lol lol they is no championship game if I am not mistaken but hey I could be wrong. With your attitude I am sad that your daughter is no longer with PDA and I hope that she comes back but with your attitude against the Pride you are wrong man......just wrong but hey without HATERS like you there would be no SOCCER BLOGS so keep hating on kids. Eric Harris
JeffCup has a championship at U15:Format of Play:U10 to U15 will play Championship Format on Saturday and SundayU16 and older will play Showcase Format on Friday, Saturday and SundaySource: http://jeffersoncup.strikerstournaments.com
Eric,I apologize to all of the kids that read this blog and my comments and I am sorry if I offended any 14-15 year olds on this blog. My comment was meant to hate on a club that continues to do the same things and expects a different result. Yes I follow PDA, no I don't expect things to change, and my comment was directed at a system that rewards average play. Yes, i hold a grudge, no my daughter didn't play for PDA. My daughter was strongly encouraged by the coach several years in a row to tryout only to be told no. It's her best local option and she wants to play with kids she knows. Some people on the Pride probably know who I am because they too have encouraged us for several years to tryout.
Mannnnn, @1:17pm.....MUCH RESPECT MUCH RESPECT....hey no apology is needed. I should be apologizing to you because here I was telling you to cool down when its not my kid that has endured what your child has and thats the "CHANCE" Now you are the people on this blog that has meaning and has validity to comments made. My comments are stupid and sometimes sarcastic and really take away from guys like what you and my brother ALEX had to say. See it is your examples of why not teams or clubs but why our SOCCER CULTURE is suffering. When you hear stories of yours and ALEX and probably dozens more on this blog I say why not as adults we stand together and do something. Well I will say this and sure as my name is Eric Harris I will make any call or email anyone at PDA and ask for your child to get a shot or a chance. We have 4 teams at PDA and there just got to be a place for her. I mean I get no special favors and they owe me nothing but I do believe in them and I do believe what they tell me and I have seen what they have done for my daughter and thats give her the chance and thats all I will ask them or better yet I will go with you and your daughter and ask face to face with you and her need be. Once again I am sorry for your daughters experience but instead of bash the letters lets approach them and let her state her case to them and then lets go from there. Eric Harris
Eric, please stop jumping to the defense of PDA south. It is a whole other beast entirely. Poor communication, empty promises, and a core group of the coach' s favorites. 117 should consider yourself lucky, your daughter dodged a bullet.
@ 6:34 PM - Your post(s) suggest that coaches don't or shouldn't have options as to the technical, physical and tactical qualities of a player. Ignorance is a quality that appears to be one that you are comfortable with and there is one clear beneficial quality shared by most all soccer teams (with the exception of a few) ... they are all fortunate not to have you standing with them on their sidelines!
For a moment this blog appeared to be headed in the direction of meaningful soccer discussion only to be derailed, once again, by the tired agendas of those like 1217 and 634.
Completely agree with 10:05 and can only hope that the hate will someday mature into something healthier.
What was wrong with 634's post? Is there good communication? Is there fulfilled promises? Is there not an inner circle who have the DOC' s ear? Is this poster making all this up?
634's post is nothing more then an anonymous comment consisting of unsubstantiated statements intended to inflate self worth.
Our Biggest Mistake: Talent selection instead of talent identification - http://www.soccerwire.com/blog-posts/our-biggest-mistake-talent-selection-instead-of-talent-identification/"American youth sports are far too often focused on talent selection, and not talent identification. We are committed to winning now, to getting on ESPN, or achieving some hypothetical pre-pubescent national ranking. Yes, some team sport clubs have B and C teams and develop large numbers of players. Others have those same B and C teams, and players are often jettisoned there with less experienced coaches, less committed teammates and an overall lesser experience.We say we are developing them for the future, but all too often we are using them to balance the budget. We select the current talent that will help us win now, because if we do not, the club down the road will grab them and win, and our best players will leave. We are not identifying and developing the kids who are most likely to become elite competitors after puberty. We are selecting the ones who already are elite, but often do not have the characteristics needed for long term elite performance."DCShore
I agree we do a poor job of talent identification in favor of talent selection. I do however, disagree that it is impossible to identify talent in youth players. I also disagree with the train them en masse with the goal of bringing the weaker players up. We will then have a mass of mediocre players, when in fact, to produce America's first t(yes I mean first) world class players in order to truly challenge the world, we must identify talent. In fact the rest of the world does do that. La Masia do not train every 9 year old. The identify potential and train those players. These guys say it better than me:http://blog.3four3.com/2013/07/15/soccer-player-development-philosophy/
We do train en masse, but we have various levels that the kid plays at so that kids at a higher level are afforded more exposure oppotunities. The problem is that there are few high level teams and every year there are few roster spots that new kids are competing for. And you hear it often that if a kid can't crack the top 11 then they won't be brought in. We have discussed this here previously. The problem in my view is that if a team emerges or is able to attract new kids, that team because of where it is from or who it is, is not afforded the same opportunities as bigger clubs. People are critical of the Northeast NPL and they rightly should. If that league is supposed to be the next step down from the ECNL, then why is there no promotion or relegation of teams. That is a mediocre league and there are many other clubs that have proven themselves worthy of the opportunity. The same holds true for the ECNL. However because these leagues are club dependent we are fostering mediocrity. People are hesitant to admit it but it is filtering up to the the quality at the next levels. I personalyy hope the Jeff Cup demonstrates this because there seems to be a good mix of non-ECNL and non-NPL Clubs playing each other. I suspect though that after the Jeff Cup, Clubs and leagues will go back to their protective bubble.
The PDA South discussions will likely continue. The coach has a special ability create disloyalty.
10:20 AM - What's next on the agenda? Let's explore the ways you might try to feel better about yourself today ... punish a pet, steal someone's parking spot, short-tip the waiter/waitress, take candy from a baby.
Textbook bullying behavior from 1020
@6:34 Jan.20, 2015 I will continue to defend PDA no matter if its NORTH, SOUTH, SHORE, etc. I will defend it because I know first hand that they mean well and they trying. I know there is a business side of things no one is stupid enough to think otherwise, but nothing is wrong with that. One my complain that coaches favor certain players or groups of people.........NAME ONE COACH that doesn't......Even in my very short professional football career my coaches favored some players over others. Is that wrong.....No not all its the relationship that those players built with the coach. No matter what level you look at coaches are always going to show this kind of treatment to players that maybe they have built up some form of relationship with. Look at Hope Solo not to judge her or her actions but the reason why she is still where she is at is because of the personal relationships she has built with maybe her coaches or the National Team. Same can be said for Jamis Winston of Florida State and not to judge his actions but Coach Jimbo and him have a good relationship and although he has had some questionable actions take place in his life Coach Fisher has choice to stand with his player as well as the US National Team with Solo so do we fault them or say they are bad.....DEBATE-ABLE but I will say nothing is wrong with it. My daughter has dodged no bullet and frankly my daughter has train and played with PDA South in games and trust me the coaches and families have been nothing but great to her and us as a family. Sometimes I feel that if you feel that you have been so wrongly done or your child has been I said it before and I will say it again. If you write or call the coach or whoever and "LET YOUR DAUGHTER" do the talking I will bet you anything you want that the coach or whoever will listen to "HER" because I have seen it first hand and thats why I will always respect what they do. Although I pay the bills they are not suppose to listen to me and tell them how to do things but when their player confronts them and talks to them they should listen to them and that has been proven not in my opinion but that is a FACT. Eric Harris
I'll let it go does but if you get a chance please comment on what has actually been written that is inaccurate?
I think that you are mixing 2 different things. If USWNT coach or a college coach is loyal to a fault then there are consequences if it doesn't work out. How long did Greg Ryan last after benching Hope Solo in the 2007 World Cup. His loyalty was probably misguided in the scope of the entire USWNT. If Jameis Winston wasn't the best chance for FSU to get to a National Championship then you may very well have seen a very different situation. A coach and school put their school's reputation at risk for football. Hope Solo felt the sting of watching a World Cup from the sidelines and watching her team lose feeling that she was the best player for a situation. Youth coahes are often given carte blanche by club boards. Youth Coaches make a lot of mistakes, some have very poor judgement, some coach with fear. That's why parents have to guide their kids to the best situations.
Since coaches are human they have certain biases that they probably fight, but can't completely conquer. Are there any truly unbiased humans out there? They might be biased because they prefer a style of play and some players fit that style more than others. They might be biased because one of the players reminds him of a player that he helped to achieve success in the past. Parents perceive these and other "innocent" biases as unfair. I don't think they are exactly unfair, but there is no way that a parent will be able to erase them. We moved our daughter because of the former bias and she has been much more successful at the new team with the new coach - despite the new team's playing at a higher level. If you are not happy with your child's situation- try and change it if you can, but f you cant you have to make a decision: leave or stay.Some coaches have biases based on the donations parents make to the teams, past but not present success of players, and hot moms. Get out quickly of these biases adversely affect your child.
Given the anonymous nature of this blog the accuracy of most every post is suspect especially when presented in the context of questionable intent
Anonymous or not, I think the intent of many people is quite clear. Some people have had a bad experience, feel their child was not treated fairly or with respect, and they come on here to exact whatever type of "revenge" they can to make them feel better. I'm fine with that, it does get annoying when it is the constant droning on on about the same thing over and over again that becomes a bit much. It is also a bit much when you hear the same thing over and over again about how great a situation is. Kids get cut kids don't get playing time a coach singles out a kid and comes across as tougher on one kid more than others. These are all reasons that parents get pissed off and sometimes they probably have a case and other times they are blinded by being a parent. I am not naive enough to think though that all these coaches are competent at coaching teenage girls.
1201, there is a point by where it crosses the line and has the potential (either intended or unintended) to harm others. The "revenge" part is where it all goes bad - Cyber-Bullying. In short, I'm NOT fine with that.
@8:56You'll have to forgive me for laughing at the article you posted and the author. If I had to guess I would think the guy is drinking his own Kool-Aid in support of a Club/Academy that he is running. Of course I read the bio...and bingo for some $'s and attention to his blog he'll show us all how to be winners.I quote "Dedicated to real player development and winning. One does not have to compromise the other."Of course this philosophy is supported because he is a "talent selector", supported by his blog post (though as someone pointed out) contradicted by another post of his.I would not give this guy a dollar...let alone my child to develop.DCShore
"Soccer is a simple game, but within that simplicity lies complexity."Another deep though. LMAO.DCShore
Are any of THEIR videos, not links to other teams/programs, available on You Tube.To be fair they may be awkward marketers but sensational trainers. I'd like o see.DCShore
Found some videos on their site.The videos definitely show the teams playing THE GAME. I have to give credit where credit is due.DCShore
The Kleibans are pretty famous in most soccer circles. Your ignorance is showing DC. They developed Ben Lederman who is one of the kids who caused Barcelona to lose their transfer options. Also look at the 2001 U14 BNT first camp of the cycle. They developed 5 or so of these players. Their players are largely hispanic and by no means wealthy. They fundraised and worked hard to bring their teams' kids to Barcelona to play and 2 were identified (the other is John Hilton, Xuh-Xuh). They were briefly at Chivas USA after leaving Barcelona USA. They also have a vision thats could change US soccer if enough follow their lead. Hence many in the soccer establishment hate them. Read more and enlighten yourself.
@8:42"Most circles" ok. Just not mine...well until yesterday.I take no offense because I admitted as much. There is no denying that what I saw in terms of play in those videos was rock solid. I am impressed and happy to see it. I do maintain however that their messages/writings are somewhat awkward but that is far from a crime.I enlighten myself as much as I can. I have no problem admitting as much. What you saw in those videos is THE GAME. Based on what I saw. I'd follow their lead.DCShore
I saw a few of the videos as welland it's good stuff. The difficulty is for our kids is finding the right environment for development of individual and team play. I think there is a real issue with the quality of coaches. I may generalizing, but most coaches have neve been trained to coach. They played soccer, they understand soccer, but can they teach soccer. I don't think so, and most coaches turn up at games and coach, they show up at practice at coach, but how many of these coaches outside of wins and losses are ever supervised and developed. May daughter has played at 3 higher level clubs and 1 mid level town team, and I have rarely seen a DOC watching games or watching how a coach teaches the game in practice. My sense is that there are a lot of good soccer players who are pretty average teachers.
How true. The problem is that most of the parents have no clue how to evaluate a soccer coach. Some coaches are good marketers. They are very personable and latch into a few of they key players' parents telling them that this is the best team ever and their kids are unbelievable with national potential. They are talking about "their system" (major flag) in their British accent and how their superstar is key to the team's success and the parents are lulled into believing they have a great place for their kid when they are 11 or 12. Why,because the snake told them their kid is great and they are winning games with a few early puberty kids. Then unfortunately when the kids are 15 they don't know how to really play. They aren't getting any interest from colleges playing in the 10 th bracket at Jeff cup or not being accepted at all. They realize too late for their kid to be able to compete at the highest levels, that their kid is poorly positioned for college level soccer. Shame. There are coaches licensing courses and NSCAA certificates etc. No guarantee at all with these but at least a little assurance that they take their coaching seriously if they are B licensed or above. Best is trying to educate yourself so you can be more effective evaluating a coach for your younger kids. Our 15s are already pretty disadvantaged if they have been subjected to a snake.
@7:57So very true in many regards but you'll have to accept my apologies in advance for not caring for college soccer very much. It's usually an extension of High School ball. Upper echelon athletes trying to outpace each other. YES there are exceptions but not many. This is the age though where you certainly can identify who can play THE GAME. At this point whether you play for a town team or academy you either know THE GAME or you don't. The player scan identify it themselves now. No parents required. DCShore
DCShore, I don't care about college soccer myself (or the so called scholarships available) . I consider the "investment" of playing in a high-level Club/Academy as a good addition to my daughter's resume to compliment her SAT and Academic and musical achievements.I would like to think my daughter plays "The Game", and to that end, do you think this really matters to those who are not fantasizing about their daughter playing college ball or dreaming about the USWNT or the Pros? -Alex
If she truly plays "the game" as you guys use the term, it's at a snails pace if she is playing town soccer. Else her team would be in national league or ECNL. Or at least the lame region 1 champions league. But as long as she enjoys it and contributes to the growing soccer culture in the US that's a good thing. Those of us with kids getting emails and calls directed to us by club coaches from college coaches are just delusional that our kids will play D1 college soccer and possibly beyond. Don't we always complain about the money being made by the clubs and coaches? Maybe my kid will be collecting on your grandchildren's experience. After she graduated from a top level school that your kid won't get accepted into with her grades, scores, and town soccer resume.
8:48 You are an absolute joke. You have no idea of the opportunities that exist for exceptional students. Just like there is a top 1% of soccer players, there is a top 1% of student that get afforded tremendous opportunities that you know nothing about, and it is those opportunities that will propel those students further than what any athletic soccer scholarship will get a player. There are kids right now competing for entrance into summer programs for science, math, physics, etc. Do you think that the top schools only recruit for athletics? The are teachers every day recommending the best and the brightest kids to special programs. Anyone who thinks that being an exceptional soccer player is more important than being an exceptional student is absolutely ridiculous. I assume your daughter has not been approached by a teacher to consider summer internships or ask to participate in a University Summer Scholar Program. You see, just like most kids playing soccer are not thinking about ID2 camps or ECNL, most good students are not thinking about advanced educational opportunities that will open up more scholarship opportunities than soccer ever will, and I am fortunate to have a child to blessed with the very high level educational opportunities and the high level soccer opportunities. But I can tell you this, If my daughter were to get accepted into a UNC Invitation Only Soccer camp or a Johns Hopkins Summer Internship, it would not even be a choice which one she would be attending. The soccer stuff unless you have the top top top level soccer player has a shelf-life, the educational opportunities will last beyond college. You may want to do a bit of homework as to the true opportunities that exist for educationally gifted students.
@6:38 PM"I would like to think my daughter plays "The Game", and to that end, do you think this really matters to those who are not fantasizing about their daughter playing college ball or dreaming about the USWNT or the Pros? "---> Sure, she may be. I can't know for sure, nor do I think it is important to focus on your daughter. I am ok with assuming the best.I think it does matter for those of us who love the sport and want to see the U.S. more successful at it at the National level. It is also important for our domestic leagues.I DOUBT any child's life will be ruined by not knowing THE GAME, but assuming most of us are soccer people we should care and that should be our goal at EVERY level. Some of the greatest soccer minds in the world were very average (putting it nicely) players. But they know THE GAME.DCShore
@8:48I have no idea what your babble is about.DCShore
8:48 Are you for real?
1109 If you are all about academics, then why are you on a soccer forum at 1109? Your insecurities are showing. The "academics" on here are expressing their frustration with their children's inadequacy by constantly bashing those of us whose children find success with soccer. All the while they are assuming that their children are academically more accomplished that ours. Read the literature on high IQ people and you will find that most times they are multitalented. Hence the assumption that high soccer achievement correlates with low academic achievement is summarily false. DC shore, its about the fact that some kids can make a very nice living from soccer. In fact one of the frequent threads through the drabble is that the major clubs are making a mint and the kids aren't getting a good value. By the way your reading comprehension might be lacking. Better get a tutor.
9:40 You make some broad assumptions from my post. You are the reason people dislike the big clubs. There is an arrogance of I am better than you that comes through loud and clear. I am on a soccer blog because my daughter plays soccer and it is important to her. If you actually read my post. It is this crap "After she graduated from a top level school that your kid won't get accepted into with her grades, scores, and town soccer resume." It's this stuff that reeks of arrogance and is unnecessary. So yeah, I felt the need to point out that there are a lot of ways to achieve beyond a soccer scholarship and there are a lot more of those opportunities than are for athletics.
If soccer is important to her as you say is the reason that you are on this forum (doubt that is the reason but I don't doubt that soccer is important to her) then you have done her a disservice by keeping her on the local daddy run travel team. . But you know that at some level and that's why you are angry. Probably you are the daddy coach or one of his cronies.
Yes, put down people for the individual choices they make, I am sure that makes you feel better about the choices that you make.Hey Eric, If you want to know why people have a bad taste in their mouth about clubs like PDA, it's people like 8:48/11:40 who feel the need to put down people for the choices that they make.11:40 the truth is no one cares where my daughter plays except our family and no one cares where your daughter plays except your family.
@9:40What a mess of a sentence. Mama must be proud.Please tell me where you get tutored so I know where NOT to go.I also get the feeling you never actually read what others opinions actually are. You never think what is being written through. You base EVERYTHING on your own personal first hand experience. Experience which for most is rather thin and shallow.While I have no opposition to players becoming professional soccer players, can you define what "Good Living" means for the women's side? Comparatively speaking, the actual sum of money (pay) would be considered lower middle class by man. But YOU tell me.@12:52" the truth is no one cares where my daughter plays except our family and no one cares where your daughter plays except your family."---> perfectly summed up. Good job.DCShore
@12:52pm I see that as a way to justify the sterotypes or maybe the anger you have with PDA. See what the poster said was strictly his or her opinion and that only. Its like the folks that talk about the "GAME" or playing the game. Its their opinion how they feel the game should be played its not fact and in my opinion as long as you have a ball you are "PLAYING THE GAME" See I am not like the sterotype that you place upon those who kids play at an academy. I am still waiting for you to contact me so that we can sort things out for your daughter. I told you and my word is my bond that I will either go with you or on "HER" behalf and speak to whoever to find a home for that young lady at PDA. Am I making you any promises that things will turn out different.....nope but what I will promise you is that they will listen to her voice and hear her voice and then make a decision based off that and I do know that is a FACT. I am sure I have met you over at PDA South or North and I know this is not a place where people throw around names unlike myself but I am okay with that because I am me and I am very comfortable in my skin lets say. My true advice to you is only really respond to what only applies to you. Meaning that a lot of these folks have a lot of stuff to say but all of it may not apply to your child or directly to you. For the record you child is going to make it no matter what they say. I don't care what anyone says but EDUCATION is the way to go and if you just happen to be great at soccer its a bonus but I will tell anyone as I tell my daughter you will an EX Player a lot longer than you will be whatever profession you choice to master, so have a plan for after soccer because someday its going to come for all of these kids. Yes maybe some sooner than others but it will come so you better teach your kids to have PLAN B already rolling. Eric Harris
Are teams seeing much in the way of player mix up this off season? Kids trying to get late onto a better team for the spring showcase season? Any teams finding it tough to field a spring team this year as the kids are now in high school? Major player transfers in the works? My child is getting some texts from kids she knows from ODP and summer teams past inquiring about her team. Was wondering if this is a widespread phenomenon or a local one.
I have seen quite a bit of rumblings from people that moved teams that are saying that they are not happy. I think a lot of people underestimate the challenges of switching teams and having to prove yourself all over again. Most of the talk I have heard is switching for next year.
Anybody at there with their player on the first travel team they started with?Curious as to what the numbers are.Since this is anonymous, how many travel teams has your player been on?I'll start off by saying one for my one child and 2 for my other.DCShore
2 kids. Each changed clubs once Younger is only U12 and a very strong player. Sooo reluctant to consider a move even though the one other strong player left for high level club. Great match for her with the coach and the team. Inquiry was made about her last fall when we had occasion to compete against high level team. Only mentioning that because IMO that confirms she is in a great place and should stay put.
Only child, my daughter is on her third team. Three years on her first team, 3 on her second & in the middle of her second year on her current team. She never quit a team, both her previous teams dissolved for all the typical reasons. Her first team had a terrible parent coach, her second had an excellent parent coach & now I spend the money for full time trainer coach club model. She has been, for the most part, happy with all 3 teams & clubs.
817 your conclusion depends on her aspirations re soccer.My answer: 2 girls (U15 is the younger) both spent first 5 years of u8-u12 with a local level d2-3 team with a outstanding (not dad) coaches. Neither ever went to an overnight tournament. However they both did ODP and secondary played for local boys' teams. Both outgrew their travel teams (I could tell you how we knew this to be, but would get us off topic- might be a good topic though how do you know you should move your kid) at middle school ages and both moved to national level teams at u13. Interestingly not to the same club because in their respective years the coaching assignment at the older kid's club did not fit the younger. They continued to guest and secondary with boy's teams.She's happy so no changes in the making for these last few years. No comments appreciated about your kid taking my kids' spot if she chooses to move to our national level club. If she has outgrown or it doesn't fit her goals for herself at her local or regional club by all means bring her to a club that better fits her needs. I concede that there are kids out there better than mine, if they get cut, then we will look again for the best situation for them as we did when they were 12. However, we shouldn't assume that staying with the same club for all of a child's youth soccer experience is somehow evidence of good character. There are clearly legitimate reasons to move on.
one child 4 teams.1st one town team - inexperienced coach2nd one looking for better coaching but made mistakes in my choice3rd one - national level team but best kid on team.4th one -play up year for national level club- last two years -perfect fit. starter but not the best girl on team-top 6.Hopefully we are done.
855 was the 3rd and 4th with the same club? Just moved up to the older team? ECNL teams frequently move the best player up. Especially if the team that they are on age for is not a contender for the national championship. Most of the time they are concerned with development over wins so this is rare. Check the rosters and you will see many kids are playing up in ECNL.
10;46No. we had to move from one ecnl platform to another. They were not interested in moving her up.Better for them if she stayed on age and anchored age appropriate team.Better for my daughter to compete with better players and be amongst the core but not the best.So we moved to another team 1 year up, EcNL clubs are more about building teams than players. We simply, left and went to another club and put on the initial tryout application, that she was year older. She made the team on own merits, when handed in birth certificate nothing was ever mentioned about the original birthdate. Either coach did not care at that point or did not notice discrepancy.
1102 just curious. Was your kid one of the older ones on the age appropriate team? Was she playing with her graduation class and now playing a graduating year up also? Not a problem necessarily with either, just wondering. Congrats to you and your talented player.
No 11;52some where in the middle of the pact-2nd quarter of soccer year.Do not want to say too much more -it will surely give her away. I did it forger because i knew she could compete and do well. i did not believe what the other club was saying.They just wanted a player that strengthened the younger age group.
I think the strict one year age groupings are too narrow. They would be able to group the players better by ability if the age windows were increased I have seen plenty of older players struggling in their group and younger players that would be solid a year or two up. There is such a variety of natural ability, interest, growth rates, etc.
agreed 2;48but teams are not trying to build players to sell them.They are trying to build teams to win tournaments and national titles.Winning is the clubs bread and butter not how many National players they produce
So a knowledgeable parent solves this broken system by having their child try out for an older team unbeknownst to the coach. They are merely taking matters into their own hands and doing what the clubs should do but won't or can't, because of the forced focus on winning. Sounds smart to me.
2:48PMSpot on if the focus is on developing soccer players. Love it!DCShore
There probably needs to be a start time like U12/13 when considering club moves. My played on 2 local travel clubs by the time she as 12 but she outgrew those clubs very fast based on outgrowing in terms of skills and what the kids wanted out of soccer. She then moved to PDA, she had limited playing time and now we are at Match Fit. The first two clubs were parent coached good experiences for what they were but can't compare in terms of overall soccer development.
You were smart to move her. I am a big fan of the girl playing against the team that she got little playing time on rather than getting 1/3 or less of playing time just to wear the brand name.After the top 6 core players, coaches have different preferences in what they particularly like in a player.Finding a place to play amongst the same competition as the team she left is ideal.
Interesting read:http://www.bennionkearny.com/Talent-Identification-in-Soccer-Football.htmthere are 4 free chapters
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@9:22 - an excellent article, and one in which I agree 100%My daughter is on the small side and not as physically strong or faster than a lot of her teammates. She does possess a lot of ball control and is quick and light on her feet in maneuvering in tight spaces, a smart player who is constantly scanning the field when in possession and will always try to make the smart play.Unfortunately she's under-appreciated by the other players and sometimes the coach in the clubs she's played with. It's a big deal because it does not build confidence.
That is a great article. Sadly you can substitute U.S. with England in every way. "The clichéd ‘not big enough’ mantra coming from academies and scouts is restricting the development of our own Xavis and Messis."I could be parroting this author or this author could be parroting me....but the same thing is being said.Thanks for sharing.DCShore
7:08 PM 1/31 - I'm not sure who Pete is, but People have a lot to say about soccer such as having good debates about how players are developed or the benefits of kids leaving clubs. It seems that you want the season to start so you can start bashing teams in a game played by kids.
I read the link and I do think you you have to distinguish a few things. Most if not all of the clubs discussed on this board are not out to develop national Level players. They are out to have a good W-L record and win at tournaments. These clubs are not out to be patient and invest in players that may have an impact in a few years. At 11 and 12, I'd challenge you to find a coach who thinks about where they can take their team in 3-4 years and parents have no patience for clubs to develop teams. When the emphasis. For whatever reason, we want our kids playing on a full-length field as early as possible. Most soccer experts will tell you that the key to early development is small-sided games, smaller even than the traditional 8 v. 8. We have 2 major problems that will continue to hinder soccer development. Parents who need to see their kids winning and scoring goals at a very young age and clubs who feed into this parents desire to ensure that there is a constant new stream of kids that come into their academies. Even at U-15, kids should constantly be exposed to small-sided training. Soccer is a single game played on a large field, it is a lot of smaller games played on smaller fields that make up a full-game on a large field. So as long as the speedy kid can run and get the ball faster than anyone, a coach will play a send it type of game, if a coach has a bunch of big strong kids, you will see a physical game. It's the retultss now mentality that will stop kids from getting their true development.
GIRLS DA announced.Birth Year programming.http://equalizersoccer.com/2015/01/30/uswnt-youth-development-plans-academy-residency-ncaa-nwsl-training/#disqus_thread
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3:46 Nice article, the US Technical Director emphasizes the "ultimate American conflict" Win versus development.
All kinds of important implications to this. Which clubs will get the DA? Boys clubs? I hope not the girls will be forever second class. Existing ECNL? Seems like a good time to cull out some of the weakness and add tophat and legends. Are they all going to be free like the boys? What happens with the birth year changes?
If the DA is not free, why bother? Already by U14 many lower income players are already weeded out. Unless it is subsidized, the young teen age talent that gets a chance to play at high level will be the same talent that has the chance now. It is already a pay to pay system.US Women's National Team will increase efforts to find players from the European Pro leagues, just like US does on the men's side.
There has been much criticism of the ECNL related to the fact that it was started by the clubs after they saw exponential growth in their boys programs after they were selected by USSF (PDA). The clubs said, if we get a critical mass of the girl's clubs everyone agrees are the best this self proclaimed top league doesn't need USSF recognition to succeed. And they were right.Now the USSF will hand over credibility and some funds. They will choose the promotion and relegation not a board of clubs rift with their own self interest. USSF will dictate a style of play and grade the clubs on multiple factors. The grades will be in the public domain. for a start that's what's different. The question is when will this occur? For the 2015-16 year? Affect tryouts this spring? Does the NPL follow suit and go birth year cutoffs?
I am curious as to what it all looks like and how it all behaves. DCShore
DC, the current state of US Soccer is cronyism from top to bottom and this will only make sure that the cronyism goes deeper.US Soccer is so inbred at the moment that nothing that shakes the status quo will really change, they are just going to pretty it up a bit and give it nice names.The real shake up will be if they do go to calendar years because so many people that have been comfortable for a long time will have to compete again.
That is true. Most top u15 teams are currently heavily represented by the older '99s. Next year if this does happen and follows the current boys age groups the 15/16 academy will be 99/00. The very best 99s who are currently generally playing u16 or even u17 will likely play up on the 17/18 academy. There will however be a significant influx of 99s from the older teams. Both from within the club and from the outside. The DA might very well attract some quality 99s currently playing on competitive Usysa or NPL teams. For sure the '00s will see new players, but those u15 00s are currently in essence playing up under the new system. The special 00s who will make the 99/00 academy will be chosen because they have potential and will get reasonable time. The others should be at least core players on the u15 00 (guessing they call it preacademy ) team. Would be great to see the off year kids go back state cups. They would have a younger team than the others but should be competitive. Will be interesting to watch to see if there is significant movement with these changes assuming the academy affects tryouts for 2015-16 teams.
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@6:26You are probably correct on all accounts. It bothers me to no end. I try to be hopeful. I'd like to live long enough to see the beautiful game being continually played by U.S. players from youth on up to the National Teams. The cronyism prevents that from happening in my eyes. We can only see rare exceptions and have to stomach mounds of crap and BS. Sad.With regards to Calendar year I would guess teams might be grandfathered who are already playing under a fiscal calendar. Dunno really.DCShore
Grandfathering didn't happen with the boys. Not even sure what you mean. Most likely most if not all ecnl teams will be recognized by the ussf as DA teams. At tryouts the current teams will be dismantled. There will be an influx of kids- mostly those born in the first half of the year from Usysa and Us club teams. This will be even more pronounced than what happened with the boys because the DA was a new concept and unproven at the time. It's success in drawing college and national team coaches is now well established I have an older boy and saw it happen in real time. It's a good thing. It will remove the two paths division that weakened competition for all the kids. Maybe not in one year but over the next 2 or so it will be DA and then all the rest will be clearly second tier.
I'm sorry but in my opinion Birth year means nothing to the types of players we are talking about. If they are good enough they will make the team hands down same thing as a Freshman in HS playing varsity.I can see the DA having the 14, 16 & 18s and play NPL with the off year teams at 13, 15 and 17. This is a good thing for the players that can play at this level and choose to play at this level - outside of that nothing really changes.ODP take a back seat to DA and NPL. So girls that have the 'dream" to play NT will move or they can stay put and enjoy the experience good coaching and ticket to a solid college.
After the USWNT loss today, I read a few articles and found this post. It is better stated then I ever could have:"We could say they were identified pre-Ellis/Heinrich or we could say pre ECNL influence. There is a discussion going on SA right now "So why did US Soccer think it was smart for 80 clubs out of 9000 to hold all of America's talent (or at least hope) when none of these clubs had produced a world class player before? Why did US Soccer destroy the entire youth landscape, by making over 8920 clubs irrelevant, scattering them to create even more leagues? Why has US Soccer allowed any independent body claim national control of the youth game, when they are FIFA's represented governing body?"IMO, YNT selections are too highly influenced by people with conflicts of interest who make player recommendations based on the notoriety it can bring their club, their league or even their college. I should point out that Rose Lavelle was right under the noses of an ECNL club with great influence. She played against them, up an age bracket, almost her entire youth career. She even played against them in WPSL while in HS, but was still passed over for U.S. club Soccer's id2 that same summer, 17 months prior to winning the U20 CONCACAF Golden Ball. Is this because that club didn't offer an honest evaluation of her as any success could effect their marketing? Or, is this club just that bad at recognizing talent? I would guess it's the former and exposes one of the glaring problems with the current method of player i.d. for YNT. ECNL formation has limited where they look and has too much influence on who gets called to camp. Yet, one of U.S. Soccer's answer to 'development' is relying more heavily on their relationship with ECNL"
Tony DeCicco"But for most of our girls clubs it's about winning. If you win, more girls come to your club, you're going to make more money, you're going to win more.You'll see some decent soccer. People trying to play soccer and not just knock the ball over the top, and your speed player gets behind the defense and scores goals. Unfortunately, we still do too much of that and that player doesn't develop how she should."
Are the Manhattan Spring Kickoff brackets and/or schedule out. this is 2 weeks away. Did they post accepted teams.
Unless NY gets some seriously warm weather, they will cancel this tournament again. They probably are hesitant to announce accept teams because they are unsure of if and where they would have fields. If they cancel 2 years in a row, I suspect this tournament will start to go down hill.
I know there has been a lot of debate regarding ECNL, is it worth it etc etc. I've always said that depends on what "worth" means to you and your daughter. Does it mean scholarship (money), or maybe playing D1, or getting your daughter into a school she might not have been able to get into without soccer. Maybe to some it just means playing and training with some of the best kids in your state. Like I said it means different things to different people. That said this was posted on the soccer wire.com on Feb 5. The facts speak for themselves, and for those who define "worth" as playing D1 the facts are indisputable. 1) ECNL has 1,357 graduating seniors.2) 1,203 are going on to play collegiately.3) 920 of the 1,203 are going on to play for a NCAA D1 program. That's 80% to D1.4) In the 2014 NCAA D1 Final Four 66 players were former ECNL players, accounting for 90% of the Final Four rosters.5) 2014 freshman ECNL alumni swept the awards for freshman of the year and accounted for 38 of the 55 total 2014 "All Freshman" or "All Newcomer" spots in the power 5 conferences. (ACC, Big 10, Big 12, Pac 12, SEC)6) ECNL alumni claimed 11 different player of the year awards and 118 "All Conference" honors across the 5 majors.http://www.soccerwire.com/news/clubs/youth-girls/over-900-ecnl-players-commit-to-division-i-programs-for-2015/Case closed.Sid
Team with the best ROI is clearly strikers. 100% play in college. Minimal investment by parents. Better stats than cited by ECNL
The case is closed that the ECNL is the best environment for kids to get exposure. There is a large open question whether the ECNL has helped or hindered soccer development as whole. Most of the current evidence is that it is hurting soccer development. I get that if you are in the ECNL you are not too concerned about the broader soccer environment, but you can be sure that if the National teams continue to perform like they are that there will be a serious rethink about putting most of the development eggs in the ECNL basket.If you are going to quote statistics, put it all out there. Despite having a dilution of talent at the lower levels with a large push to ECNL clubs, 45% of the division 1 recruits are not ECNL. I personally think that is a terrific number when you think of how much harder it is becoming for non-ECNL players to get attention.With the current failures of the National Teams from U-17 up, there has been a lot written about the flawed development system in the US. It will get a lot louder if the USWNT keeps playing like they have been.
12:20 - the case is closed not only on getting exposer but placing girls in a D1 environment. Your complaint about the performances at the National Team level has nothing to do with ECNL even though most of the girls playing come from an ECNL environment. Remember there are only 1357 U18 girls in ECNL - how many U18 players are there playing outside of ECNL? LOTS. I would agree with you that the state of girls soccer leaves much to be desired. I'm not impressed with many of the high level D1 schools and sadly trying to find a school that plays a sophisticated possession style of game is next to impossible. When US soccer becomes as popular as the NFL then maybe things will start to change. That said I have seen a lot of youth soccer and I personally don't see any other league doing it better than the ECNL - understanding its not perfect.
Yes the exposure and the D1 recruiting go hand in hand. The ECNL has made it easier for colleges to recruit because you get a high concentration of girls playing together. I think your wrong and that there is a pretty good correlation between the National teams performance and the inception of the ECNL. The quote from Tony DeCicco is correct. Clubs need to win and that is where our focus is. Fast and big are what is selected because at D1, ECNL and lower level soccer, you can win a lot with that and that attracts kids to programs. As much as D1 is recruiting from the ECNL it is now an overwhelming proportion of kids going to the National teams that are from the ECNL. ODP which has become less and less relevant had a much broader funnel to begin with. The ECNL narrows things down very early, and even within the ECNL the final is even tighter as to who gets selected for national camps. The ECNL as an organization has been very successful, I don't think that you can point to any evidence though that the ECNL is developing better soccer players.US Soccer is very tied in with the ECNL and they placed a bet that this will be a driver of the development of US soccer. So far, that has not happened.
2pmI agree with everything you said and I have a daughter who plays in the ECNL. I guess I would say that from my experience, and the experience from other parents on the team, we never assumed ECNL would produce better National teams, just better opportunities for our daughters to showcase and play soccer at D1 level. From that standpoint it has been everything that we assumed it would. Most of the parents on our team understand soccer at a higher level and hate the direct style that most teams play. We play a possession style and still have a long way to go (tactically) to get to next level. We have a great coach and he is working very hard on getting all the girls to that next level. That's all I can tell you. Are we "developing better soccer players"? I have no idea, but I would guess yes, but have a long way to go. Each situation is different and most of it comes down to who is coaching. I can tell you that in the state we are from we won state cup at U13 and would easily have won it at U14 and again at U15 if we played in it. Does that mean ECNL is developing better soccer players? Hard to tell if you base it solely on National team results.
2:33 I think the answer to your question is that you get a greater concentration of talented players at the ECNL. It is then logical that that team becomes dominant. As you drop down in levels, you have a fewer extremely talented kids on a team whereas the ECNL should have more talent from top to bottom.Ultimately, the ECNL is great for the kids that are there especially if you are in the top 15 on your team. The jury is still out on the broader benefit.
Somewhat new to all this ECNL and NPL, what's the difference? Is it that important for my daughter and her team to be part of these leagues?
Depends on what your daughter wants out of her soccer. If she aspires to play in the ACC, SEC, Big 10 or PAC 12, then unless she plays for NEFC NPL or a Strikers in the National league, she should be looking at the ECNL. Many kids from the ECNL clubs play in these top leagues after high school. If she is more interested in Patriot league or even Big East, then she is probably fine to be one of the top players on her Region 1 "champions league" team if she also has great grades. If she isn't interested in playing D1 in college, then she can play local travel club. Here's the link to the spreadsheet, that while not complete (most of the missing information is related to players and clubs who do not aspire to the highest level of play), is an excellent resource to give you an idea of where your child's club is sending players. You can also reorder it at the top by graduation class and by College. The college order is interesting if you want to get a peek of the soccer resumes of the kids committing to some schools to see if yours is in the range.https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AriynKqmGsRwdGUyR1ZrSFFUbHFZblNCMnBNZnNqc1E&output=html&gid=6
2:33How do you feel about losing? A lot?Parents often say they want to play a possession game but what they really want to do is win.A true possession game starts from the back and builds up through the middle third with good movement off the ball and quick 1 and 2 touch passes...It is often one step forward and two or even three steps back.Lots of turnovers in the middle and defensive third of the field that lead to goals for the opposition.Which leads to losses, lots of losses. Painful losses.And becoming truly proficient at it will take years.Most parents do not have that type of patience.Are you sure you do?
11:48 AM You are correct and winning is what draws people to clubs, so both the parents and the clubs are aligned on outcomes. It's also true for Division 1 schools, even the best D-1 schools.It also means that a lot of kids get left behind that can develop into very talented soccer players and it means that the if ECNL is the feeder that they will not be putting out kids that compete at the highest levels.I am fine with all of that except for the coaches who tell their teams that "we look for great soccer players, we will play soccer the right way, you won't get playing time if you not playing our style of soccer" yet the coaches most often default to prototypical players in size and speed and leave kids out on the field who make the same mistakes over and over again.Be honest as coaches and say, we are under pressure to win and I am going to put a team on the field that gives us the best chance to win today regardless of whether it is good soccer or not instead of the BS ":I will teach your kids how to play soccer the right way and wins will follow."
11:48In response to your question (I'm 2:33), I really don't care about losing I care about my daughters development. Luckily our girls have been trained at an early age (U8) how to be very good technically. By U12/13 most of our girls have great touches and know the basics about a possession game. Tactically we are still way way behind because we concentrated on technical. You can not play a possession game unless everyone on your team is technically sound. We always start the attack from the back line through the midfield and our goalie is encouraged to roll the ball out to one of our outside backs not boot it. We win more games than we lose but I'm not sure I would blame our losses on the fact we are trying to play a possession game. Our problem (when we lose or win) is that the girls are still learning how to be really dynamic and creative from the midfield to the attacking 1/3 and from the attacking 1/3 in. We are very good from the back line to the midfield. Most good teams can play through balls, play wide and cross the ball, thats the basics. We are now trying to posses the ball in the attacking third. We are running loops, playing the ball back for chips, screens etc. That is the next step for us and like I said have a long way to go. Two things to remember. 1 - even if your daughter is lucky enough to be taught the real game of soccer, most colleges (including D1) don't play it. 2 - The winning thing is important, everyone wants to win but at this stage in the game (U15) the real meat and potatoes is development and showcasing for coaches. If your daughter has a great game and does everything she can and then some that's all any coach can ask of her. If your team happened to lose the game because another player made a mental mistake, any coach there would see that and could careless about the loss. Coaches / scouts are there to see players not wins or losses. Sid
Links to articles seem to go over like a lead balloon on this blog, but I'll try. These are to good links on the win versus develop question as well as specialization versus free play. The one author author argues that we force kids into specialization with clubs very early where most other countries have kids develop through free-play. He calls it sports specialization versus sports engagement. It is good at least to know that there is active dialogue on this topic. The comments below the articles are also some good reads.http://www.soccerwire.com/blog-posts/osullivan-the-early-specialization-dilemma-in-north-american-soccer/http://www.soccerwire.com/blog-posts/osullivan-the-early-specialization-dilemma-in-north-american-soccer/
Jefferson schedule just postedhttp://events.gotsport.com/events/schedule.aspx?EventID=39084&Gender=Girls&Age=15
Jefferson Cup is posted and Manhattan is two weeks away and it not posted yet!!
The Jefferson Cup will be in Virginia with 60-70 degree temps. The administrators in Manhattan are not sure that they will have sufficient fields or even a tournament with snow covered fields, no warm weather to melt fields, and potentially more snow on the way. I am pretty sure these guys don't want to publish until they have greater confidence that they can hold a tourney. It may be time to reconsider a late February tournament as this may be the 2nd year in a row they cancel
9:27I read the article, thanks for posting. I agree with all of it but have no real answers on how to fix it. The money thing and "over work" is the biggest issue to me. Kids practice too much and the season never really ends with HS now.My advice on the over work thing is don't be afraid to make plans and take time off. When my daughter was younger we used to plan everything around her "soccer" schedule. We finally realized after about 2 years of that that her schedule never lets up. So as long as we aren't missing a major showcase event we head out and don't look back. What's she going to miss another practice??
I read the article, not the comments. How about every club is mandated to do an open soccer free time day or evening once a week? The club would have to provide an appropriate amount of small sided fields with each one designated for an approximate skill & age group level. Kids would be free to choose which skill & age group level field they play on. A few club reps could loosely watch over things while the kids figure out how to choose up teams and play on their own, no coaching allowed. No parents allowed anywhere within sight or sound distance. Club teams both rec & travel would not be permitted to have team practices on this day. All coaches would strongly encourage or mandate that players attend. This would only address one aspect of the article, just an idea.
Anyone watching the u17 YNT playing in CA so far 2-0 (3-0 Mexico, 2-0 Canada) but big game against Japan tomorrow. Several region 1 players seeing the field. Canada with multiple 2001 (U17 cycle is 1999). DC shore are you going to tell us if they play "the game"? I think the games are also being posted on you tube by us soccer
Manhattan schedule posted, but my bet is it gets cancelled
So I watched the U-17 WNT yesterday and they were impressive in the second half on both sides. I thought they pressured Japan well on the defensive side and relied too much on long balls in the first half. Although I have been critical here on US soccer development, I think it's time for the USWNT to make a Youth commitment. It's not going to happen this year, but based on what i saw yesterday, I think the biggest US downfall will be the other countries commitment to youth.The US WNT has been slow to infuse new talent on the team. Also nice to see 2 local women on the roster.
So you want younger players on teh USWNT?You know young players are added every year, right?
Sure the USWNT adds youth every year, but there is no commitment to build a team around youth. If you use Germany as an example, there men's team won a world cup with a team clustered around 25 years of age with one player 30 years old. They won the World Cup with youth and had a commitment to youth for some time. The German Women's team has no player over 30. The US will have Wambach, Lloyd,Chalupny, Krieger,O'Reilly, Rampone and Boxx - Maybe Solo playing a considerable role in the World Cup and all over 30. I don't think you'll see many teams that have been successful in World Cups relying on ageing stars. Yes, I think it is time to make a full commitment to youth, develop youth and let them get their experience in tough international games.
@1:54I agree 100%.Klinsmann took a lot of crap for making the comment that American is the only country that rewards players for what they have done and not necessarily what will do. I get that is somewhat simplistic but his point is more or less your own.We just also need to make sure we are developing soccer players and not just winning teams at the youth level.I did not get to catch the U17match btw.DCShore
You can watch it on the us soccer play listhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pww2i0mxTVIRachael Jones '00 tophat is horrific, but in general not bad
What do you expect? Top hat is not ecnl. No player from a non ecnl club could possibly be any good. Surprised it took so long to point out her flaws.
6:35 Yep, people have no shame in bashing a 15 year old kid. Note that this 15 year old is the same age as our kids. She should be congratulated2:38 While this girl was playing on the USWNT U-17, what were you and your daughter doing, I guessing watching her play Japan on You Tube.
9:33 I agree with you. Well said.
Yup took the baitJones sub was a PDA kid. Strong work.
Bashing the kid your player went in to replace does not really put your player or your club in a very favorable light. It does draw attention to which kid was selected to start in the first place. Congratulations to both players for playing for the US.
This is comical. R Jones is a great player and will write her ticket anywhere she wants to go. Did she have a great game vs Japan, no but that's why you have multiple threats on a National team. And for all of you who preach about the "possession game", and I would count myself as one of them - this team repeatedly beat Japan on the outside with a direct style. They were getting crosses at will with their speed. Don't need to possess if you can crack the whip like that. Ekic, Sanchez and Pickett are some of the best players I have seen at their positions (and age). The girl who scored the 3rd goal was 14. Forget about what were your 15 year olds were doing, what about your 14 year olds...
Yes it was a direct style, but I don't know that it will be effective against all teams. They won the game and outclassed Japan because they kept tight defensive pressure every time a Japanese player touched the ball and this created good counter attacking opportunities. These are young kids getting experience at a high international level which is what these games are meant for so it is ridiculous to criticize one player. For some of these players, it was their first taste of international competition. The team was good, not great. There is talent their to be developed and it is great to see the East Coast represented at all levels of the USWNT.
I'd be quite sure that the girl from Tophat would be welcomed at Rutgers over many of the kids playing in NJ.
If you watch the game and saw that the tophat kid's sub was FT from PDA you would have gotten he joke. I am pretty sure an Atlanta family doesn't care what's put on YST. They have the last laugh because let me remind you again who the starter was...
Oh, the original post was supposed to be funny. Now things are beginning to make more sense. The hatred routinely displayed on this blog is just attempted humor on the part of you and your kind. Thanks but no thanks!
Enjoyed watching Pickett play. Would not want to be playing against her.
You and your kind have no real interest in the game or you would have watched the video. You are only interested in the "gossip" about which team is better than which at least the video was posted which is more of a contribution than you have made.
Sorry but you couldn't be more off target as I watched both the video and the highlights. As for contributions, I am entirely confident that you did not post the video and proud not to be part of the hatred you and your kind spread to counter issues with low self-esteem.
In order to make a purposeful contribution to the betterment of the game, one needs to figure out how to let go of the demons from their past.
Let me start off by saying that anyone playing at a National Level deserves some respect. I'm not going to pick apart specific players...ESPECIALLY at this age. Good for any kid who put in the work and obviously has passion for the support.On the quality side and in a bigger view. ESPECIALLY at this age we should be playing a quality possession style, THE GAME. Most people either not realize or forget (maybe even purposely forget) is that most other countries are not consumed with winning at every age level. NOT AT ALL. While mommy and daddy should be happy that their little daughter (or friend of their daughter) is playing at such levels the rest of us SHOULD NOT accept this as development.HOW'S IT ALL WORKING OUT FOR OUR WNT? You know the level where it really counts? Where fans at the matches are not just player families? Where stars on the jersey's are earned?The Japan WNT, win/lose/draw has recently made our WNT look very foolish and unskilled. Along with a handful of other nations.So I can agree, good for this youth team. Their direct style won the battle but it is fools gold that ultimately leads to losing the war.Let me repeat. VERY HAPPY for any player who makes it to this level. I am SUPER happy that kids have that kind of commitment and passion. It is on U.S. Soccer, the coaches AND the parents to harvest these players and improve our game/culture on a National level. It starts at every age.DCShore
@ DC You ask “HOW'S IT ALL WORKING OUT FOR OUR WNT?”Well they are ranked number 2 in the world. http://www.fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/ranking-table/women/index.html So imo, they are doing just fine. Of course I would prefer number 1. As I’m sure you know much more about the game then me, I’m also just as sure the people running the USWNT program know much more than any of us on this forum. As a fan of our team I consider them very successful. Yes they don’t always win everything but they are almost always in the picture of one of the top teams in the world. Not bad considering the only women’s sports I see on standard cable TV is Softball & Basketball. They’ve even been showing Volleyball somewhat more often than in the past.
I'm curious how everyone's college search is going (or not going). My daughter is a HS sophomore, so she has been a little more active than the freshman on her club team looking at schools. Anyone taking their girls to ID camps, summer camps or contacting coaches regarding interest in their program / school?
DC The direct style in the Japan game seemed to be a tactical decision. It seemed to me that it was a purposeful defensive pressure and move quickly on the attack not to dissimilar to a Mourinho coached team. it worked well in the second half of the Japan game. Even though teams have to be able to play a possession game does not make it the right approach for every game.As for the USWNT, there are only a handful of teams that play at a high level. The USWNT has been on a slide for the last 4 years, last year's Algarve Cup was an absolute disaster which was followed by the end of a short tenure of the coach. Jill Ellis has not been off to a great start. In my opinion this is caused by as DC said previously, rewarding players for what they can do now. The US is still by an large relying aging stars that have not really altered their playing style as the world has been catching up. The upcoming Algarve Cup and the World Cup we be very telling
7:36 FIFA rankings lag actual results. Over the last year look at the performance against France, Japan, Brazil and Canada, even some so-so matches against North Korea and China.At the Algarve Cup last year they tied Japan and lost to Sweden and Denmark in 3 straight games. To wrap up 2014 they tied China lost and tied to Brazil, and just a few weeks ago they were thoroughly outplayed by France. What has really changed fro the USWNT?
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