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Wednesday, October 11, 2017

U18 Girls Youth Soccer

This page is focused on Under 18 girls youth soccer, primarily in Region 1 but everyone is invited to share and post.

Teams face increased competition for the top players, (who are increasingly attending college showcases).

More teams consolidate and the best teams--academy soccer, club soccer and high school teams--battle to attract and retain the right player mix.

Stay tuned. This is bound to be good.

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Anonymous said...

1:52 - you say overrate individuals. haha i say finally recognizing them.

Anonymous said...

225 the individuals have all been recognized. Looks to me like some here are blind. Same individuals in the ECNL ...what happened ? Does it require mismatches for you to see a players ability? the one who is the most recent in NT camp has the fewest noticeable qualities.

LOL kids doing what they should be doing. What should you be doing in a mismatch? You learn nothing of value when players/teams are not under any pressure.

Im looking forward to PF vs PDA. the excuses are sure to flow from one side or the other.

Anonymous said...

1:52
not the other poster, but I get the post. when you have a team that isn't stacked and there is a drop off in level of play between top kids and end of roster kids, but everyone plays, it can make for some challenging games. Your own teammates sometimes add value for your opponent.
Very few teams have top to bottom very similar level players. Although that may change now.

Anonymous said...

Oh i'm talking about the reference to 1:25's post.

Anonymous said...

2:49 what should you be doing in a mismatch? how about continuing to play well? i've seen it alot. kids start thinking well we have this and then take too many touches, hold the ball too long in a dangerous area, etc., then they let the other team back into the game.

Anonymous said...

3:15 happens quite often at all levels. players get cutsey and then suddenly, game on.
was at game too and i would not say spirit ever gave up. they were still trying to dispossess even when PF was playing keep away. i would not underestimate any team.

Anonymous said...

11:23 - i agree. chest thumper. not cool. humility is an undervalued characteristic anymore, sadly.

Anonymous said...

1:48 - i'm 1:20 - there are many reasons not including money that kids pick where they pick. my kid had very generous offers from multiple places including the blue chips. so the money was not the issue. she had to pick what best fit her.
so some it's location; some it's facilities and i mean dorms, school, etc.; some it's academics; some it's coaches/vibes you pick up like maybe leaving soon; some it's how special a coach makes you feel; some it's program and how well funded; playing time; recruits coming in; players leaving...all of it. Money is only part of the decision making.

Anonymous said...

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/soccer/2017/09/22/report-hope-solo-u-s-soccer-federation-reach-settlement/693241001/

Anonymous said...

I find this discussion interesting regarding YNT selection and scouting.
To me I think a kid who is destined for 2 u17 WC should be immediately notable on the field as the best player. Was she? I know she was younger than many players, but she was included in a 99/00 u17 roster last fall. Even her supporter is admitting she was "disinterested" and made excuses regarding the quality of the players around her. An attacking player with these accolades should be able to make enough happen by herself be able to attract attention immediately and consistently throughout the game. Did that happen? Was she bothering the defense consistently with her possessions? I am imagining much of the WS tactics were "get the ball to the stud". She had to be on the ball consistently. I bet there was a scout there specifically tracking her. Wonder what his report stated? She doesn't have enough support? I didn't see the game. I did see the US Japan u17 WC game in which she featured as a starter. She has nice skills, but not magnificent and unless she is a very late developer her athleticism at the next level may hold her back.

Anonymous said...

9;47 Why come on here and talk about a specific players performance when you didn't even see the game? Seems to me people on here have an agenda. Maybe this girl took play time or even a roster spot from your daughter? This whole thing reeks of sour grapes.

As for the WS game this weekend, I wouldn't be surprised if there were a lot of "disinterested" girls on both sides of the field. Usually what happens when you play a glorified scrimmage with a lopsided score. But hey, this is what US Soccer wants, right?

Anonymous said...

947 Fair questions that anyone looking to constantly evaluate players would ask. I can guarantee you no one at USSF is asking those questions. My daughters team has played vs hers at least 5 times. She has 1g and a handful of nice plays. She has never been the most notable player on the field in any of those games. I have no idea why the USSF think she is better than several older players I have seen multiple times who impact games more. The only important fact is , they do and thats not going to change. Too many invest too much of their reputations in advancing kids above their talent level. they have no upside in saying, maybe I was wrong. Until said people are removed from the NT system, nothing will change. there is no accountability becasue the US can beat most of the countries they play no matter who they select and no one is going to come back and say , why did you invest so much in player A when they quietly disappear in College. There is nowhere near enough player rotation in YNTs and far too many kids selections can be traced directly back to who the coaches are and what their club affiliations are. Until there is real accountability , nothing is going to change.

I think a YNT player should stand out no matter the talent around her, and even if she does not play well, you should be able to say, "i see why they select her". That should be even more obvious when a player is a multiple World Cup selection.

Anonymous said...

1115 a soccer culture will always discuss high profile players. I understand that some may find it unfair, but everyone I know who is passionate about the sport will talk about players and its really not personal. It seems here, the assumption is often that it must have something to do with a persons child. I dont think it has to. When I watch games, I am always looking to see who impresses and the kids who come in with the biggest reputations are always going to be watched and sometimes discussed.

I saw Ashley Sanchez play several times and it was immediately obvious why she is where she is. Even when not at her best, she was always a threat to do something good. Taylor Racioppi was the same.

Anonymous said...

Ashley Sanchez is clearly living up to expectation at UCLA. She and Flemming are really fun to watch. Also they are putting AR, another one of the over hyped YNT wunderkinds on the bench. These are high profile players and there will be those of us interested in the bigger picture of WNT/YNT/ soccer development who enjoy the discussions.
It will be interesting to see if JC is as successful at Penn State. They signed another little tricky kid recently from LI I think JS. AS isn't very big nor is Flemming but they are managing College soccer quite well so i wouldn't disount these two on size only. The question is: Are their skills and soccer IQ/vision etc enough to carry them if they lack physicality?

Anonymous said...

look at Tagliaferri? early returns?

Anonymous said...

PSU coach is very aggressive using early exploding offers. I think that is always a warning sign.

Anonymous said...

1219 is JC successful now ?

Anonymous said...

if you define success as getting multiple call ups, yes.

Anonymous said...

1241 Im asking what you consider success.

Anonymous said...

1241 by a similar metric then simply committing to PSU means she has been successful there as well then. No need to wait.

Anonymous said...

if that is the ultimate goal, then yes. btw - i'm not the other poster, 12:19 so his or her finding may differ.

Anonymous said...

12:49 not if the call ups stop during her tenure there.

Anonymous said...

She isn't the only one that was on the u17-WC roster that you scratch your head when you see them play on their club rosters or other trainings.

Anonymous said...

1250 which then invites the question, is all of this a shell game ? Is perception more important than actual performance until College ?

Anonymous said...

1252 you cannot use call ups as a measure of success. Thats nonsensical.

Anonymous said...

1254 Agreed,

Anonymous said...

12:57 - disagree. to the player who is playing the game, isn't that their goal? so if the player is meeting her goal, then isn't that success?

Anonymous said...

105 so if i set lows goals and meet them, thats success? I dont know any players whose primary goals are OFF the field. I dont know any top players whose goals are to simply make teams. They want to play and dominate on the field.

Anonymous said...

you would think, but based on those call up's, is that true? so some may be just to get multiple invites earned or not.
how many kids disappear into the college landscape after multiple call ups? do you think they view themselves as failures? those call ups probably opened doors that would not have been opened otherwise as far as choices, money and the like.
you don't have to agree with me but it seems to prevail even in NWSL. Allocated players are outplayed and outshined by others. pretty sure that was a previous discussion as well.

Anonymous said...

139
There is no CBA in YNT call ups. However there is tremendous club based nepotism which maybe accounts for much of the future non performance.

Anonymous said...

139 you are raising questions that have little to do with the original comment. Call ups are not success. they are one of many chances to perform. by the way, its easier in many ways to perform at YNT level which is why I think the players who have "backing" are continuously selected. What would be more embarrassing than giving a start to a a non "chosen one" - only to see them score goals and win games. that would really force people to ask questions. No one wants that.

I know several YNT call ups and I cannot think of one who came away satisfied after a camp in which they did not get a chance to play. I think any top player views failure on the field as failure. The doors and the money etc are byproducts of potential to be good. That does not mean the player concerned is necessarily the best now. You would hope that when talking WC caps, that current form was taken in to consideration, but im not sure it is with some of the call ups.

The CBA makes the NWSL comparison a little hard to make.

Anonymous said...

Not sure how CBA even plays into comparison.

It has to do with the mindset discussed, wanting to play well on the field when on it at all times at all levels.

Are you saying because payment is already determined, no incentive to give 100%? Maybe that's true.

Anonymous said...

Some allocated players seem to be miraculously fit come USWNT time, but on injury lists for NWSL teams. Its fair to question whether they give 100 pct all the time given the $$ incentives and the seeming over valuing of performance in NT camps vs League play.

Bottom line the evaluation process seems to be as follows NT games>NT Camps> College play= NWSL

Anonymous said...

Haha true except international allocated players. They are still fun to watch in NWSL.

Anonymous said...

9/26 @12:28 - what do you mean "always a warning sign."?

Anonymous said...

Has anyone heard about the condition of the various showcase sites in Florida? Are they game ready or questionable after the hurricane?

Anonymous said...

So no good games this past weekend?

Anonymous said...

Yep

High school.

Anonymous said...

okay. sure. keep living the dream.

Anonymous said...

PF 6
Classics 0

PF return of the YNT stud with 4 goals. Other superstar did not play. I guess they just need one or the other to pound on a pretty weak Classics team.

Anonymous said...

shame that this has become a PF appreciation thread. I dont see the value in playing over matched teams

Anonymous said...

Looks like Classics didn't score a goal on any PF team this weekend. But, I guess they are all mismatches, right? I'm not on either team, but i recall the last time these clubs met, balloons were being dropped because goals were scored. Now, it's a mismatch. Okay.

Anonymous said...

i did not drop the balloons so I cant comment. But the teams who have consolidated ECNL talent on GDA rosters are going to beat up on the other teams who are either ECNL/DA split or just new to the league. Look at NYCFC. I think they are doing well results wise across all ages and they are not exactly a powerhouse team at U18/19. I dont see too many comments exalting their wins. it is what it is. The only half decent game will be PF/SB-PDA.

Anonymous said...

How is penn fusion so much better than these other teams? It looks like they have scored more than twice as many goals as the other teams in the mid Atlantic and the north east. Huge goal differentials. It doesn't look like that much fun for anyone. It also looks like they have quite a few kids contributing and it isn't just one or two kids like what's been said.

Anonymous said...

113 I told you how above. most of the competition is either split between HS and GDA or from areas that GDA has not taken hold of. I know the Virginia options are very expensive and not attractive relative to say a McLean ECNL team. The North East and Mid Atlantic are spread very thin. If you had say - FC Stars, SB PDA , One of NYCFC or NYSC, One of Fury, LISC , Breakers, Oakwood. Cedar Stars removed Empire you one have one decent group. The Va and Washington teams can play among themselves :)

Go look at ECNL results before this year. PF were not a dominant ECNL team. World Class were not a dominant team either. Those 2 are the biggest gainers. The sub rules favor them becasue they are less deep than PDA or Stars, but 11 on 11 they can def compete. I think 11 on 11 PF are better than PDA at GDA 18/19 even when PDA waivers return. hey have better top end talent.

Anonymous said...

1:44
You don't seem to get it. This PF team is new. PF players but from different teams and sprinkled in some add-ons.

In teams that don't carry large rosters, the ECNL model takes a toll on the top of the roster players. The ECNL model favors the bigger clubs that carry about 30+ on their rosters; each game you can introduce fresh legs. The lack of back to back to back games in GDA keeps players healthy.

Anonymous said...

okay sorry 1:44 you do get it. my mobile device didn't fully load with your comment before I commented.

Anonymous said...

Well isn't that how they should be judged? Their strongest 11 players vs any other team's strongest 11.
I would not compare WC to PF because PF went to the Champion's League in the 00 and 01 teams.

And, finished in top 12-16 overall of ECNL without carrying a large roster. I would say that's pretty darn good. If you can still compete against those clubs that don't have huge drop off with a handful of players carrying the load, i would think that speaks volumes more than it doesn't.

Anonymous said...

And I'm not on either team. I just like it when the little guy gets his due.

Anonymous said...

229 ty. people are quick to critique and usually slow to accept a mistake. We agree. In my opinion the teams with real top end talent - whether that be 1 or more are favored by GDA. PF are better than NYCFC no question., but its very interesting from a results standpoint to see how an impact players can really carry teams now.
The deeper teams really benefited from those moments when coaches of less deep teams tried to get minutes for weaker players OR could neutralize players by rolling in fresh legs to mark them all the time. The PF striker would get beat up every game by multiple players. Much harder to do that now.

If you think the GDA mismatches are bad, then in context remember that the deeper teams in the ECNL had periods in most games like this where they were beating up on really weak lineups or resting key players to come back into games fresh. Meanwhile the PF kid would still be out there battling 2 players most of th time.

In a way, i wish College soccer was like this re subs. Would be a far better game for many reasons. Talent would also be spread a bit more as kids would want to play re come off the bench.

Anonymous said...

242 it depends what is important to you. To me, I dont care one bit becasue when it really comes down to it I am only involved in what this process does for ONE player. I dont worry about how teams are judged. I am just telling you why its now different. Its ironic that so many people were/are choosing Clubs like PDA based on wins and losses not becasue the top end talent is so much better ( it isnt) but becasue their mid layer is beating up on another clubs mid layer, winning and re-inforcing how great PDA are for a player.

All i wanted was for my kid to enjoy playing, win some, lose some, get good training and get better. been a lot of ups and downs in that ,but on a good road now. Fingers crossed it stays that way because College will certainly be a big mental and physical challenge. Hope she is prepared.

Anonymous said...

it's not what was important to me. i'm saying it speaks volumes for the individual efforts of those players doing most of the heavy lifting to help their team make it into the champions league versus big roster clubs. It gets lost in the soccer street cred of the teams with a large/deep roster; unless you want to go to Rutgers. lol


Anonymous said...

2:47 i agree with you. would love to see the college game go to the FIFA sub rules. the line up changes can interfere with the flow of the game.
so those with a huge roster in GDA don't necessarily have advantage since limitation on subs. you aren't making changes to line ups like before. And, how are you getting 25% playing time for these kids as mandated by US Soccer?

Anonymous said...

@2:47 It is not 25% playing time. It is 25% start rate. Big difference.

Anonymous said...

Sorry, but when you have limited substitutions, you want to make the most use of your starting times.

Anonymous said...

i meant sorry that i misstated the 25% rule.

Anonymous said...

So how does that work as i thought it was 25% playing time too? I guess the other poster is right, if you have limited substitutions you have to judge if you are coaching. Now i understand the anxiety on the board with DA playing time. may not get much at all.

Anonymous said...

Kids 17-22 on the roster play an average of probably less than 15 minutes a game. Is that different from ECNL?

Anonymous said...

It is for my kid's team. Her coach played everyone at least 20 mins per half even in big games. Helped them get recruited; screwed up rest of the squad. was like watching high school many times.

Anonymous said...

not that the play was like it as the core kids still tried to play their game, but is disruptive.

Anonymous said...

Lucky you, our team was not as lucky. kids had to do id camps instead.

Anonymous said...

What?? site admin please.

Anonymous said...

Looks like a competitive group in the u18 Bethesda Tournament. The u19 are not properly entered.

Anonymous said...

I guess blame US Soccer for that too.

Anonymous said...

it does look like a good amount going to Bethesda. didn't know how that would play out with all the changes. what about WAGS?

Anonymous said...

I have a younger player and on that site it mentioned that more GDA clubs are in the works. How many are they planning on adding does anyone know?

Anonymous said...

VDA & Cedar Stars - anyone know? not posted yet.

Anonymous said...

What about Tophat & Courage, too? That was probably a great game knowing that many girls on both teams opted out of high school.
And, the rematch of Penn Fusion & FC Virginia, both good teams as well. Scores trickle in it seems.

Anonymous said...

Just looked, those U18/19 Scores finally posted
Tophat & Courage - draw - 2-2
Penn Fusion & FC Virginia - PF - 3-0

Anonymous said...

Obvious tiers developing. The top tier are the former ECNL teams. Bottom tiers clubs with weak or new girls programs that could not draw strongly enough the top players in the area. Question will be will that change in the next year much? Or will it be longer or never. Huge goal differentials. PF +30?? Jeez. Lots in the - double digits PDA BBA FC stars and NYFC. How long will ussf give the bottom dwellers until they relegate them? PAC should be happy that they can claim CP else with both genders' oldest two teams winless they should get axed.

Anonymous said...

@308 not sure I agree. I think it is far simpler. It comes down to the teams that have a proven goal scoring threat. NYCFC are not a strong team an arguably lost 2 of their top 3 players from what was a mid level ECNL team. The only one close to its ECNL team is PF. Some because of defections, some waivers and some injuries.

Anonymous said...

How is that different from any other league? A proven goal threat in any league is just that...a proven goal threat.
too bad they didn't put this team together sooner. i found it strange that they would break up teams for various events.

Anonymous said...

3:43 i guess you are not familiar with the PDA or Breakers. They have most of their ECNL team rostered. There are others too.

Anonymous said...

The ECNL NE Conference in the 2000 age group was much better than the GDA we are playing in now. One would think it will take time and the younger teams should see the growth and improvement, but it is not good at all right now and it better change! We had tough games most weekends last year and that is not the case at all now.

The GDA is going to grow in the NE, what will be the new GDA clubs in 2018-19?

Anonymous said...

just a weaker ecnl...with a new name....don't kid yourself

Anonymous said...

415 its pretty different because so far its ALL you really need. NYCFC dont have much more that and are undefeated. They are playing without 2 of their better ECNL players and a host of injuries and winning games. The ECNL team was mid pack . Its much harder to stop dynamic players now because of the sub rules unless you have talent to match up.

343 Very familiar. Point is BB are missing key offensive players, PDA have the kids rostered, but at least are waivered or injured so not really the ECNL team now either. PF are really the only team that has largely moved intact with its better players.

NYCFC are probably not as good as FCS or BB player for player, but beat both back to back days

Anonymous said...

9:33 GDA isn't as good as the ECNL was last year. Maybe GDA will be become better, but you are full of it if you think this has been good for our girls or they are getting better from playing in the league so far. The training is the same and the teams we play are worse. All the players really needed were to play girls that were D-I level and pushed them to be better. We don't get that and it's not because we have become better, we are just playing teams that would have been less than average USYS teams that didn't even win state cup.

Anonymous said...

6:47 not good at all? Not our experience. Maybe your kid needs to do play in another league then. I hear Nat'l League is looking. Could also move to an ECNL team in time for league kick-off no doubt.

Anonymous said...

11:07 like the other poster noted, why stay then? Of course ECNL was very good, it WAS the top of the tier. But, it was not good for teams that didn't have deep and large rosters. As another poster noted, all the back to back games were rough on most players.

Anonymous said...

1107 my kid has improved greatly since quitting HS soccer and this is just an extension of that. If not for you, then move on, but stop generalizing for the rest of us.

Anonymous said...

Apologize for late post. Late shift and taking a break.

Thank you 12:24. I agree. Some of these posters probably don't even have kids in the DA system. They just like to throw stones. If your kid is enjoying her development and can see it paying off, then that is all that matters.

Anonymous said...

You probably think the DA is all good if your kid has been playing for a lower level team like PAC for all of her youth soccer. Then all of a sudden her team is in the DA and it feels like she hit the big time. Video, scouts, national website etc. Hiwever, for those of us who's children have been playing at a higher level including ECNL champions league etc, these lopsided games do feel like a developmental nadir. The northeast ECNL last year did have a few lower level teams but they were losing games by three goal margins not 6 or 8 or 10. Add the fact that some kids are seeing half the minutes they had before because of the sub rules, those playing the whole game are all but bored and it feels like ECNL was the good old days. Having said that, I believe the model will work over time and within the next 3-5 years the weak programs will be gone and the talent will again consolidate. We just hit it at a bad time. They should have rolled it out with the boys in 2007.

Anonymous said...

1107 GDA is better than the ECNL ever was for my child. I will explain why. ECNL is a league with a tournament/showcasing platform attached. If you are an early commit who has moved beyond the concerns of being seen then why do you need to play in showcase games all over the USA? AT that point the ECNL loses almost all of its relevance

So far, GDA is more of a training group who play a game once a week to implement what has been worked on. There is less pressure to be seen and more focus on stuff that will hopefully pay dividends in College. One game per week reduces the wear and tear on players and allows them to put more into the game as they dont have to conserve for tomorrow.

That being said, I can understand why its not for everyone and also believe that its not for some of the kids who are currently in it. Thats the part where a good idea meet financial necessity.

For my child and my family, a large part of the ECNL was a giant waste of money.

Anonymous said...

813 Its case by case. I truly depends on what you are looking to get out of Club soccer. Some of the players you mention who are playing the whole game could easily not start in favor of those that are not. It comes down to how your team is managed and what the Club wants to achieve. Either way, I have never cared much about the game results. If you happen to be on a very strong team unlike most people , I dont think that is always a developmental plus.

Anonymous said...

916
LOL! the kids playing the whole game are many levels better than the kids coming off the bench. You are a totally delusional parent. I can see you sitting in the stands fuming that your kid is getting 20 mop up minutes or not even getting in the game while 6 others consistently play the whole game. You are fomenting unrest among the bench parents sitting with you in the stands on how the kids on the field are the "golden children" and supporting your position that with the same "advantages" all the bench players including yours would be national goal leaders. Most teams have such a grouping with a leader such as you. Oh and your kid would be committed to a P5 with a hefty or full scholarship if she had been afforded the same "advantages" because she's that good.

Anonymous said...

The GDA sales pitch, illustrated by the training-to-match ratio, the use of video analysis and the like, presenting their approach as being so vastly new and different from what elite players already had access to and/or were doing is comical.

Some of the parents I've talked to act like they were granted to the secret recipe for McDonald's Big Mac special sauce, to which I chuckle because their great discovery is more like old news, been there and done that for most who were already serious about their child's development. For what it's worth, I think most of those parents of GDA players I know are being disingenuous, they and I both know the reality that it isn't actually that new or different, and I'm not saying it's bad (it's not), but they're trying REALLY hard to persuade others that it's all great, worth it, etc. to the point of appearing insecure. Your kid is happy? Not regretting missing high school? Good for them, relax and enjoy, no need to convince anyone of their "pathway" being more special. The 18/19 GDA group are playing teams that are not very good. The level has dropped off. Many of the best players in the Washington DC area stayed ECNL or left clubs that moved to GDA. The case it the same in NJ and Boston. It is a down time for players in this age group. The training is the same and isn't very good. Let's come back and visit this again in May to see how things are going. This ride comes to an end soon for my daughter and it won't make a difference either way.

Anonymous said...

1018 you could not be more wrong. My kid has been s YNT player since U-14. Still is. I just dont think that you need to start and play every game. There are other kids in the Club who should get opportunities and quite frankly the marginal benefit of another start vs what you call weak competition is zero. I am perfectly happy to watch my kid save tread on the tires, let other kids play and watch. learn where appropriate and continue to be an unselfish leader on her Club team. There is a certain security in not being so caught up in every game.

By the way, my kid is committed to an ACC school on a full scholarship.

Anonymous said...

1018 Its case by case. My child stopped playing HS long before GDA arrived. Poepl need to stop analyzing the whole thing and focus on self. For her, GDA is perfect. There is more to the GDA experience than just playing games and now instead of training with younger teams in the HS season, she has an actual group to train with. She has a game to play and experiment in and she has film to watch and break down. There are some good games and some bad ones, just like the ECNL. Your area may be different. I respect that, you should respect others choices more.

Anonymous said...

1032
I did not understand your point in your first post. I agree that kids don't need to start every game, and that these games can be far from "meaningful". However, I thought you were one of the- my kid is as good and should be starting crew. There are still big spreads in level among many teams and many parents just don't see that.

The "save tread' is not as much an issue with the one game/week schedule. The increased training is an advantage. My kid doesn't miss high school at all.

Anonymous said...

1100 are you 1018(1) ? If so, Im glad you understand now. There are many levels in every Club and in my opinion they all deserve time. The only way that happens is if the better players understand that. For most of them its a marathon culminating in a successful College career. If you have that as an objective, all this is just steps on that road. Wins, Losses teammates quality etc are all less relevant. AS long as my kid has that goal, I will support it. If it changes then so be it.

If a kid is stressed about getting a College etc, then I totally understand why they would sweat this stuff. Reality is most of the parents on these boards doing that are in that boat and they re either trying to get 3rd party validation for their decisions or knock someone else is choice. A truly elite player has no need to do either.

Anonymous said...

8:13 actually my kid doesn't play on a lower level DA. But i am seeing the soccer maturation of the kids. Some are doing things they didn't do previously. Some are still stagnated, but will hopefully improve as well. But for the ones that get it and have previously, they are now surrounded by other like minded kids.

So while it may be boring for you or your kid, i see the continued improvement in their overall development. my kid has played a high level before but to now be on a team that most of them get it instead of don't, well, even better.

And for the bored ones, i guess they aren't loosing possession ever. i guess they are hitting every goal they attempt, right? they are making the correct runs always, right? they are playing the perfect game, right? if not, well then, still room for improvement too.

Anonymous said...

10:18 does your kid even play GDA? i get the feeling you were the observer on the hill a few games back. I am 11:57 and agree with the other posts that are acknowledging the benefits of the GDA. There is more upside than isn't. Btw - kid's team was in champs league in ECNL last year too; and she is happier with this team over last year's.

Anonymous said...

No one said anything about no room for improvement, but with teams winning games like they are there is little incentive and excitement. It's not very much fun and no way to spin it otherwise its not the same developmental advantage as it was when goals were harder to get. Sure they can try and make the best of it which they do, but its a lesser game day experience than it was in the ECNL that's just a fact. In my mind all the teams in the bottom half of the tables are weaker than the ECNL teams left behind. Does the increased training balance out the game day experience? -maybe.

Bet some kids will be happy to leave early for college in the coming months

Anonymous said...

good posts all. even a maturation on the board as well.
10:18 i always liked the big mac so nice analogy. pavlov like; i am now hungry. lol
i don't hear anyone doing a hard sell re gda at least not in our club.

Anonymous said...

1213 any kid who is playing at a high level better be challenged by training. I feel that you may be from PF and if you are, then its on your coach/club to perhaps find a way to challenge the players more. AT our Club, training is a much bigger part of the GDA experience than the games are. Ive always said that being on the strongest deepest team is not necessarily a benefit at Club level. Its funny, becasue parents brag about that all the time without seeing the downside of it.

Anonymous said...

12:13 unfortunately with the ECNL records down no way to go back and track, but i remember some boring ECNL games with the bottom half of ECNL conf. and teams/games with 4-5 goal deficits.

Anonymous said...

12:13
you do realize that the teams have been playing games only a month, right? so your toughest ECNL games were in the first month or later down the season as the teams improve in playing and practicing together. And maybe the goals are a little easier to get because other kids are being more creative then previously, too.

Anonymous said...

the poster at 12:13 brings up a great point. so for kids that may be leaving early do they feel that they are in better shape as far as conditioning and touches to leave early now or would their ECNL/nat'l league/hs experience have them there? since GDA is about individual development, then intended benefits reaped.

Anonymous said...

12:36 i think the poster is saying the game day experience is the issue not the practices. obviously the practices are putting them in good game day form. and that may be it. the practices are better than the overall games. not a bad problem to have in my opinion.

Anonymous said...

Question regarding GDA and college commits. Have any players who were previously committed been approached by a coach from a different school and made the decision to change their commitment? I know that the topic is very taboo but I do see this as a possibility if the GDA carries more Cache.

Anonymous said...

If ECNL games had been played under the same sub rules as GDA I believe you would see very similar results. The deeper teams in the ECNL had a huge advantage in being able to sub in fresh players of similar quality. In the GDA this is not the case. Elite talent has a chance to wear other teams down. PF are the only team around here who have a few top end players and it makes a huge difference.

Anonymous said...

111 my only point is you cant have one without the other and as I just said, that game day experience is impacted by the sub rules. Another thing I failed to mention is look at the drop off on all but the most dedicated ECNL teams in the U18 year. Once kids are committed, many stop going to games etc. Its why rosters size usually goes up. so far we have not seen this much in hte GDA. The kids who want to be there are the ones who signed up.

Anonymous said...

1:54 do you think anyone is putting that on a blog? my kid still gets interest as coaches can make contact directly, but i won't dare detail. she is happy with her commit, but always good to have back up if necessary.

Anonymous said...

154 that has nothing to do with GDA but yes, kids change their minds. Often the "story" you hear is spun. Coaches at good schools do not make a habit of reaching out to committed players because they dont want it done to them. Often when a player changes school it is related to coaching changes, grades , real stuff, but people spin it so as to save face.

Anonymous said...

agreed. nothing hardcore. but subtitle, like small talk and let me know if anything changes, because it does sometimes.

Anonymous said...

Yes the practice expansion and year around schedule is a huge advantage in development. The lopsided games are not so much. I think the training advantage probably out weighs the game day sometimes disadvantage. But it would be nice for the ussf to step in after seeing the situation and readjust the schedule to make it more competitive.

Anonymous said...

10:32 I am sure your daughter will be like the rest of the girls before her at the club and fail in the ACC. If she is who I think she is her good days are beyond her. This is what is wrong with US Soccer and them holding on to players with the hope that they weren't wrong when the selected her 3 yeas ago. Selection has been poor and US Soccer continue to fail.

The Youth System in America has evolved into a model that seeks to relieve parental anxiety. Of course, that is the foundation of many non- scholastic environments in the modern age, but it has now nearly strangled hope for change. Many the modern parent seek advantages for their children, so they follow the herd for their piece of the pie. Any true development is strictly coincidental, as patience, hard work and discipline are passed over for the next Top Drawer list, or team selection bragging rights.

Anonymous said...

5:01 - ouch. be nice all.

Anonymous said...

12;36 interesting guess. I thought NYFC or PDA.

Anonymous said...

PDA would still be at the top if the change didn't happen. PDA or Sky Blue will be back and will be on top again.

Anonymous said...

That is what has been discussed throughout. The ECNL model favors the big clubs with big/deep rosters. That model is being disguarded by US Soccer probably for the very same reason. And maybe to quell some of the overt politics that went on as well like PDP picks, etc.

Anonymous said...

When does Spirit MD play Spirit VA?

Anonymous said...

Bethesda vs. McLean would be the match to catch in the DC area.

Anonymous said...

Or the Spirit MD/VA too. Curious how the inter club squads will work against each other.

Anonymous said...

4;03
readjust the schedule? it would have been nice for them to put some dead times in the fall and spring schedules so kids can do college visits and official visits while kids are on campus without too much disruption.
i know there are dead periods in Dec and Jan but no clases or students around either. hard to get full flavor of school unless school is in session.

Anonymous said...

501 and if she does I hope she learns from it an emerges a better person. Her 4x 60k will give her a chance to emerge with a degree, from a top school and no debt. Ty for the vote of confidence. The negative mentality that roots against our own without even knowing who they are is also a reflection of youth sports. Something you are displaying for all to see. As far as parental anxiety goes, if we had it then it all but gone now. Never chased accolades, but she has certainly been rewarded for her hard work.

511 dont care if 501 is nice or not. She did not need the advice to get where she is. Plenty of haters out there and she has faced most of them down. I hope she continues to.

Anonymous said...

well, i'm 5:11 and i care. your daughter and that other person's daughter are both soccer players and kids just trying to keep it all together. respect each other, parents included.

Anonymous said...

742 I am pretty sure I know who you are and I have to say, her school could really use her THIS year. The finishers they have right now are not getting it done. Your daughter and her classmates will definitely improve the team next year and I will look forward to watching her play on the ACC channel. The haters are just jealous obviously. She's a terrific player who demands attention in every game. My kids a defender and is well aware of her. Also apparently they have conversations on the field and she says she is a nice kid. Congrats.
I also enjoy your comments and pov.

Anonymous said...

@740 there are off weekends this fall for at least most teams. Also kids have been missing games with excused absences for official visits. Most of them are dictated by the school when they try to get the whole class together for the weekend of festivities.

Anonymous said...

203 you think some teams are more successful in the DA because they weren't deep enough and would you say fusion is more successful in the DA than they were in the ecnl because they aren't a deep team and the sub rules now are favorable? I thought it was because their super forward is now playing on age and the other teams aren't good. When I recently looked at some of the DA info they play a watered down PDA this weekend so there will be a test. It will be known then if they are the real deal. apparently according to the game day stats their super forward wasn't there when they beat PAC by a 6 goal margin, but their national player was and scored twice as many goals than super forward in the first game. So Probably a combination of the kids developing and new add (s) changed the level if it's changed if it's not then the competition is just that bad in the DA. I will say Though that they have a lot of players scoring a lot of goals.

How's the spirit Baltimore super stud doing? I don't see big stats but since she was out on national duty she doesn't have too many games on the books. Probably frustrated with the level. Why didn't she play at Bethesda with the impact? Or FC VA or mccleanTravel across D.C. To play in Richmond? Odd.

Anonymous said...

Not many 4 X 60Ks floating around

I'd doubt that figure from 7:42

Anonymous said...

Not many but some...
I know who she is and I don't doubt that's the offer she got. My kid is a 100% they are more common than you think. Most of the top 2-3 kids on the top flight teams have those offers. Some don't take them and instead choose a higher ranked program at a lesser amount. Top ACC programs 100% is much more rare. I didn't know that her school offered many at that level. I know some YNT kids there on much less, but i believe him. All power 5s guaranteed for 4 years.

Anonymous said...

hahaha. can i play? in a top team too and my kid's school is more expensive so we have a 1 x 60K and 3 x 70K. Don't think many of those, either.

Anonymous said...

Just putting another topic on the board.

Okay, NWSL championships are on Saturday. DA games are on Saturday and maybe others as well. Why not make this a down girls/women's soccer weekend to watch or attend the NWSL game? They have to work together to get attendance and viewership numbers. Thoughts?


Anonymous said...

Looks we have some middle schoolers posting on this blog....
Thanks for trying to bring adult convos back 4:40
This piece addresses the overall issue with our soccer...

https://www.si.com/soccer/2017/10/11/us-soccer-sunil-gulati-president-usmnt-world-cup-qualifying-failure

Anonymous said...

GDA and ECNL should be all over the NWSL. The NCAA Women's D I soccer final four get very few people to turnout unless it is packaged with a youth soccer showcase where tickets come with playing in the showcase. When women's events team up with a youth soccer event like CASL there were 9,000 people in the seats. If people care about women's soccer then pair the events up with youth events and you will get people in the seats. It's something to make the product look a little better.

Last year our GDA team were guests of the US Women’s National team at an event in Philadelphia. When we went to the game some of us observed our girls and laughed about the kid’s attention level. Very few girls watched the game, most were chatting and fooling around with their phones. Most girls didn’t care about the game. Some of parents thought is was funny or cute. I was disappointed.

In order for women’s sports to survive they have to watch the games. Women and girls need to go to the games. Women need to buy the team shirt. The next time the girls are waiting around to be seated at a team meal or hanging out after a game ask them to name 4 NWSL teams or two non US national team players. Ask them anything about the NWSL and you will find that they don’t have a clue. By the time most of our daughters are wrapping up their college soccer career they don’t want to look at another soccer ball again. This says something…I have my opinion but it there are reasons.

The MLS is successful because adults go to the games. Adults are season ticket holders. It is no longer about parents bringing their child to a game because their child is a soccer player, the ticket holders enjoy soccer and care about the sport.

Anonymous said...

Two things - my daughter loves soccer and watches it. However she has no interest in watching wonens soccer. Top level mnes, sure. As far as MLS being successful, I would challenge that notion. Successful in some cities, sure, from a fan attendance pov, but a truly successful domestic league does not underpin a National Team that cannot beat T&T when it counts. MLS is a comfy country club for owners and players. No pressure.

Anonymous said...

1024
I echo you
My daughter is constantly watching men's soccer. Also watched men's soccer videos. Let's face it women's soccer is like underwater soccer. And the ussf isn't picking the girls who could speed and spice it up. Sadly I am glad the men didn't qualify maybe there will be some changes and we will develop a soccer culture that values the girls who can play a faster and more sophisticated game. It still won't be as interesting as the men's game but it should be a closer product than it is. There is nothing in a girls biology that should force them into terrible first touch, poor vision and technique to get the ball when we do see where it should go and absent creativity. But that's what we have.

Anonymous said...

9:25 agreed. the stadium is packed to watch the spring friendly between duke and uva during the Jeff Cup event. having the games on Lifetime is wonderful, however, it's smack in the middle of the afternoon. We DVR them, but rarely are able to see them live. No one attending because kids are playing games at that time or parents that would take them are running weekend errands after working all week.

Anonymous said...

9:25 and my family can not only name 4 NWSL players but probably at least 4 from each team. We have gone to the NWSL games at multiple areas since it's inception. And while we talk during the game, we are talking about the game and how someone is playing her position. Also was at the SBC too. Did we take a few phone pics and pics with friends after finding them in the stands, too? Of course. But had a wonderful time watching the games; FR & ENG and GE & US. And we have gone to other US WNT games as well.

I happen to be the poster that US Soccer should not have any games during NWSL champs. WE have to support our sport. We attend guys' games as well. You can do both.

Anonymous said...

114 It is the same sport. I think you mean support women. Gender doe snot make the sport different. If it did, the whole equal pay argument goes out the window

Anonymous said...

Yes, that is what I meant. This is a girls blog and discussion was NWSL. So thank you for making the message crystal clear.

Anonymous said...

For the poster saying the women's games were not as dynamic as the guys, have you ever seen Marta, Tobin Heath, Christine Sinclair, Sam Keer, Kelly O'Hara, Alex Morgan, Rose Lavelle, Jess McDonald? There are others, but these are the ones that we saw in NT games and NWSL. They do put on a show.

Anonymous said...

Yes I have, but unfortunately they are not all on the same team and even if they were they would be similar to watching a u16 DA game.

I don't put Sinclair, o'hara and Morgan in the same class as Kerr, Lavelle (on the couple of occasions when she has actually played), Heath and of course Marta. Who I really like is Jessie Flemming and am really encouraged by Ashley Sanchez, but in general they are but glimpses of sunlight in the cloudy sky for me. Nope give me bro-so anytime and I have 2 daughters who play and a son who likes to smash them up in Lax while I play in the over 30 men's soccer league. BTW as has been proven before a relatively skilled group of 16 year old boys will take down the USWNT with ease and that's what I am saying. Not of the same level and I find the generally poor technique and lack of sophistication frankly boring. My daughter feels the same. The other one watches no soccer.

Anonymous said...

i get it about sinclair. saw sinclair do one of the sickest moves in soccer in faking the defense (may have been last season or prior). she is still pretty fast, too. And, saw Kerr last year and she is much better this year. was always dynamic but now a complete player.

Anonymous said...

I would rather watch a woman's game over a men's game any day of the week.

The men are embarrassing! They fall to the ground every 2 min and grab their shin like it is broken. Then they jump up and sprint away like nothing happened. Their antics kill the flow of the game and is not punished enough by the center ref. They cry about every foul called and in general act like a bunch of babies. Don't even get me started on the MLS. It is like watching kick and run HS ball.

Physically, women are at a disadvantage over men. However, the women make up for it with heart. The women play tougher. Watch the speed of play between both. The men stand around a lot where the women are constantly pressuring the ball. I also like to watch the women because they play for the love of the game. With a few exceptions (endorsements for top 2 or 3) we all know they don't get the money they deserve.

Anonymous said...

648 opening a can of worms here. I have daughters and love the fact that both play. The male and female games are at a different point in the evolutionary phase. The women's game generally lacks the cold hearted pragmatism that the mens game has to have. Why? Because it is further along technically and tactically. You have to take advantage of every trick to get an edge because its no longer enough to be fast or strong or skilled - every one is.

The womens game is still dominated by athleticism. Technical mastery is not needed to excel. Its moving in the right direction .

As far as mnmoney goes, markets are efficient. I am of the unpopular view that they are getting more than they deserve in many cases becasue the commercial $$ are not there. Market are efficient. I believe that a NT needs to be based on a solid domestic league . The gulf between allocated players and teh NWSL rank and file is not heathy. We are already seeing 4yrs vets retiring from the NWSL becasue 15k is just not enough. That is not sustainable. In many ways I think if the USSF just took all the money they throw at YNT camps/ trips and the GDA and put it to non allocated player salaries, we would see a HUGE uptick in youth soccer quality and development. Why? Because you would create a financial incentive to do so. The min salary needs to be at least 50k per year. Obviously this will not happen as the Clubs are privately owned, but the USSF is creating huge gaps in the soccer pyramid by the way it is treating the NTs. A NT is part of the ecology, its not a separate entity. You are seeing the same philosophy applied to the GDA. Its not a good idea. the elitism just alienates the very bedrock you need to build on.

Happy Friday !!

Anonymous said...

Total waste to send these kids abroad to play in meaningless friendlies and "tournaments". Agree the money could be used much more wisely.

Anonymous said...

Arena resigned
Good start

Anonymous said...

Gulati indicating he's running again. Call for the USSF BOD to make the president a paid position to entice competition

Anonymous said...

8:43
I follow this type of women's soccer on Instagram. ACC baby, although I can't focus on the soccer. This is the future of women's soccer!

morgan_reid

Anonymous said...

Orlando or NC ?

Anonymous said...

#1. 12:37 AM I would take Orlando if they were playing today.

#2. Maybe NWSL should think about doing a home and home and decide the championship on aggregate? Playing in an empty soccer specific stadium isn’t good. Foolish move by the league. Perhaps they were worried they wouldn’t have enough money by the end of the season to pay for the flights??

#3. Orlando City didn't want to hold that game at night because the attendance didn’t justify the cost of the electric for the lights.

Anonymous said...

Portland Thorns over NC Courage 1-0. Good game.
I thought last years championship game was better going into PK's and win by the Flash now Courage over Wash Spirit. Just my 2 cents.

Anonymous said...

http://equalizersoccer.com/2017/10/15/lauletta-nasty-fouls-injuries-lack-of-cards-sucked-the-life-out-of-2017-nwsl-championship/
good article about refs not taking control. comments are worth a read as well.

Anonymous said...

PF 18/19 ...what happened? where are all the PF are great posts ?

Anonymous said...

We lost
There you have it

Anonymous said...

I guess its easy to be seduced by one sided games. In the entire GDA regular season for the Mid A and NE there are maybe 6 meaningful match ups at this age . PF should not be losing 0-3 to anyone with the players they have. That sounds like bad luck or a really poor performance. I know that given 4 practices per week the PDA coach will have his team very well prepared tactically for every matchup. No team is better prepared on game day , for what that is worth.

Just on face value, I expected more from PF. Maybe just a bad day at the office.

Anonymous said...

This PF team has never been very good, wouldn't put them in top 5 in NJ/PA. Easy for people to get excited when they have been playing really bad teams in a weak league. Nothing has really changed.

Eric Harris said...

Nothing wrong with PF losing this past weekend. Its just one game and these two teams always have really great games against each other. Nevermind the score line and what the end result was, it was one game and in the big picture really means nothing but a win for that particular weekend. Not the end of the world. PF like many other teams in GDA and ECNL have some really nice players and talented young ladies. There is no question about that and mind you these are young ladies in the making out there getting it done and whatever they are doing during the week as far as soccer training it is showing on the field because I see the talent week in and week out. What makes me scratch my head at some folks is that before this particular game took place people were making it seem as PDA had no chance of even competing or coming close to getting a result. Well I will say it again there are many good teams with great young ladies on those teams and guess what PDA has always been one of those great teams. I see them week in and week out and I see and seen them against the best competition this country has from EASTCOAST to the WEST COAST and they always stand true. I say that to say this, this is our last year as an age group being all the seniors and the class of 2018 across the country and for a moment just think of all these kids that your child has been competing with or against since U8 and man I see kids all the time and I say WOW I remember when she was 8 years of age and now look at her and how far she has come as a soccer player. Its truly amazing and I don't know about you guys but I am going to enjoy this last ride to the fullest because before long they are all off to college and I assume this blog won't exist unless someone starts a blog for what would our college graduating year would be. Anyway great game PF I am sure it will be another great game in weeks to come over at your place. Your girls showed what champions do after lets say a loss and that was show great sportsmanship in congratulating your opponents, shaking everyone hand and saying good game. Speaks volumes of your club and what PF is all about.

Eric Harris
(Camera Guy and Live Stream Guy lol)

Anonymous said...

My kids play on another DA. I thought the game would be close and was interested in the clash of the titans. Seeing the result, I was surprised enough to look at the game report. On the game report there are quite a few players not rostereded including their GK. I know some of them from my kids and ODP and their playing against them and they are very important to the team. It appears PF are not deep enough to manage that kind of situation. However they did have both of their national team players. With a roster that thin I am guessing that PDA marked their impact players out of the game. PF had only 15 kids rostered including a DP who played 26 minutes.

I am not making excuses for them, they obviously aren't deep enough to manage absences or injuries, and being able to manage that type of problem is part of being a top level team. I am just pointing out the facts as I saw them. Did anyone see the game? Was it as one sided as it appears although I don't think the score even allows for there to be any doubt.

Eric Harris said...

Again, it was a close game. Like I said don’t let the score fool you. It was a very exciting game from start to finish. Each team had several opportunities missed. Obviously, PDA finished on just a few more chances that they had but overall it was a good game by two equally talented team. I am not sure what PF had missing but PDA is missing 8 players due to High School and injury. No excuses for PDA their roster right now consist of 2003’s 2002’s and 2001’s to fill out their roster but to be honest those younger players are ballers and each week they are not only getting better but major contributors to the U18/U19’s. So, what does that tell you. PF has some very exciting young players on their team also on the U16/U17 there are some very fine players on that squad also. On a side note there very a very bad collusion between one of our PDA players and a PF player in the U16/U17 game that cause for both to go to the hospital and from what I heard one needs plastic surgery splitting open her face and breaking her nose. I sure hope both ladies’ recovery fully. It was totally accidental where neither girl saw the other. Again, back to PF that is great that the DP player got 26 minutes in a game like that. What experience that player got in a game that was isn’t about the WIN but more of the development of all those kids out there. Sure, PF is plenty deep and rich in players. As I said PDA is a very good team and are missing 8 players until high school season is over and as we see it, they will not be with the team until December when they showcase down in Florida. As I said I am the film guy and if you want to watch all the DA game that PDA has played you can go to where I live stream the game on THECUBE.COM and type in Players Development Academy and you will directed to my page where I live stream the game. Its FREE……shocker huh lol but if you would like to watch the games just like me and every week that I live stream and you are bored and want to check out the game it will send you a link every time a game is scheduled. The other way you can watch the game is go to my Vimeo site. Go to www.vimeo.com and just search Sky Blue PDA and I think it should bring you to all the Development Academy games for all age groups at PDA that I have taped this year.


Eric Harris

Anonymous said...

Eric I appreciate what you do but pda is a much deeper club than penn fusion. While I know your kids coming back from waivers will definitely improve the team, your level drop from top to bottom is smaller than theirs. Looking at the penn fusion roster their 01 full timers on the 99/00 are not regular starters- 2 with one start and 1 with 2 starts.. My guess is they are using the 00/99 roster to keep players developing to make sure they are ready to add to the 01s next year to keep numbers up at the 01/00 team next year and the year after. Your pda team will probably beat penn fusion again in November with your waiver kids added on even if penn fusion has their full roster active. With penn fusion missing 3/5 of their starting defense and a skillful playmaker and goal scorer midfielder Saturday they were undoubtably easier to handle. Double team their remaining offensive threats and exploit a hobbled defense and there it is 3-0. My guess is it wasn't as close as you suggest. Thanks for sharing the links to the videos. Might take a look if I have time.
My observations are penn fusion has a few very high end players who make a huge difference. However the level of their players is very variable. The da system favors less deep teams. If the absences were because of significant injuries -hope not- my guess is they will fall off a bit but their super star attackers who were quieted by a great pda team will continue to run rampant over some of the weaker teams in the da.

Anonymous said...

PF was missing some starters that were on college visits. One of them is my friend's daughter. Her visit was scheduled over the summer before the schedule came out. I know my friend said they are looking forward to when they meet again in like two weeks or something.

Anonymous said...

are we really making comments about depth with regard to PF? Wow. They are deep relative to almost every team in the Mid A and NE. Multiple YNT players . If they are not deep in a GDA context, then what are teams like NYCFC?

Anonymous said...

9:59 the PF team IS very good. Saw them dismantle some teams. And I'm with an opponent. but as several posts noted some top players not rostered including a scorer and GK. schedule says they see each other again in November. let's see what happens.

Anonymous said...

doesn't matter how many YNT scorers you have if you can't keep ball out of net. With 3 of their back 1/3 out, including the GK who I have watched make big stops and saves. of course it makes a difference.

Anonymous said...

It make a difference, may not. I said they are deeper than 90 pct of the teams in the MA and NE and therefore that cannot be considered a factor. Every team has kids missing, College visits etc, but very few have the luxury they have. And i would have more sympathy if they managed to score, they didnt.

I dont care who won, I just find the depth comments entertaining. Look at NYCFC ,Cedar Stars, Fury etc at this age and tell me about depth .

Anonymous said...

9:59 - funny, PF team has never been very good. funny. finishing in top of ECNL without having depth against teams with deep and big rosters i would consider very good.

Anonymous said...

1:09

There is a problem at the DA with GK that somewhat did not exist at ECNL. The GKs in ECNL were comparable and each could play a half, at the DA level no one want's to sit through 5 games and then come in against the top team. Yes it is definitely an opportunity to prove yourself but not an optimal situation. This is a flaw at the DA that will not only impact GK but others will see the disparity in playing time and make the decision to move on. PF had 2 workable keepers at ECNL last year but one moved on to college and the incumbent was strong. It would be interesting to hear what was pitched to get the back-up on the team??

Anonymous said...

109/123 do now its the GK fault? Wow. PF did not score right ?

Anonymous said...

1:33,

She is also a '20 graduate so it tells me that PF could not find an on-age back-up for the team. Leading to a few earlier comments about depth.

Anonymous said...

Yes and the point is that if NYFC was missing their national player they are much less likely to win the game no? Losing special players impacts any team. Very few other than PDA have 4 or 5 special attacking players or a similar number of great defenders. I know PDA has 2 great GKs- not many others with that luxury.

Apparently PF didn't have replacement players at the level of the ones that were missing. They were not deep enough to manage the starters missing. I am guessing because I didn't see it that they didn't have enough special attacking players to take marking top kids out of the game from the tactical options. Some have said that they were easier to handle because of missing their starting defense- that's in the obvious category.

PDA misses 8 kids on waiver and they are still the top team. There is no other team that could have the same happen and remain top of the table- there is no other team with that kind of depth. PF have several very top end players, but there is a big drop off in level as you go down the roster with a wide talent level evident even in their starting XI. Top end players does not equal depth.

Is Washington spirit BA "deep" because they have 1 kid who played up 2 years in the u17 WC, The only player in our region to have done so. Does she make them "deep" because they have the "best" at least by USSF standards player in the region? PDA have a bunch that have been to national camps. PF a few too and a stud attacker at the top of the scoring table. PDA kept her from earning any points. The other national kid the same. NYFC has a stud attacker. Are they deep because their top end is so high? Nope. Pda are deep because the relatively narrow spread in level from top to bottom of the roster. The roster is in general more consistent with high level players. Hence they deserve to be top of the table.

Anonymous said...

1;16 PF does have depth just not in in every position obviously. having multiple scorers and very good ones doesn't amount to a hill of beans if they can't keep the ball out of the back of their own net. this is the first game where they didn't have at least 1 goal let alone multiple.
You can play a different game when you trust the players in the back.

Anonymous said...

1;23 you would be wrong. that GK did exist in ECNL. She kept them in many games. so while you may not know her, the leagues sure do as does US Soccer. She was only in ECNL two weeks before multiple teams reached out including Power 5.

Anonymous said...

159 Your post makes no sense. It is not a given that just becasue you have X on waivers that they are better than those playing. Have you seen these kids play? Maybe they are just as good. Maybe they add something that the others dont and vice versa. Are NYCFC top of the table? Results =/=depth.

Its not easy to mark a kid out of the game. you make it sound like it is. Its even harder when you supposedly have multiple creative, attacking threats. If it is/was, then maybe the players had a bad day or are not what you think they are ( I have no view either way)I read here about goals, assists and general brilliance about many PF attacking players. Where they playing? Where they not rostered for this game?

Yes, we know that top end =/= depth, but when 3/10 of your outfield players are YNT caliber, you are way ahead of the field. They also have several other very competent players to call on. I never heard anyone here say , hold on , tha attackers are good , but wow that Back 4 and the GK are critical to their success. Maybe I missed it.

So yes, I stand by the fact that PF are one of the deeper teams in the North East and clearly anyone can lose on any given day, but to cite depth as the reason seems very odd. Maybe the ball just bounced for one team and not the other. but depth ? Nah, not buying it. Next time they play, the result could be totally different and even then, i bet depth will not be the reason.

Kids can have bad games. Its ok. Its part of it. And just becasue a kid is on a waiver, it does not mean that automatically we assume the return guarantees top performance.

Anonymous said...

1:23 yes, while some games the PF GK's played halves in big need to win games, they didn't; like CASL, Ohio Premier, etc. Even in the North American Cup, she was subbed back in to stop 3 out of 4 PK shootout in 0 vs 0 win to get into semi-finals. They aren't comparable. It's just how that coach handled his team. My kid was on her team and that was our biggest gripe. Keep her in.

Anonymous said...

And no one should blame the back up GK, fully. The ball has to get through 10 other kids before it gets to her.

Anonymous said...

159 not the best player in the region @ u19/18 and never has been the best player in game I have watched at the older age. Bad analogy there. maybe the best in her age group and maybe USSF are buying unrealized potential?

Anonymous said...

204 lol
The goal scorers failed because their defense was not good???
Lol just leave it at the goal scorers were not good enough when faced with one of the few competent defenses in the area. Does not bode well for their college careers. Some of these players are very selfish and when they can't go it alone because they run up against good defenders they fail. They will need to learn to combine and develop more sophisticated tactics in college. Need to learn you can't try and turn every defender. Sometimes you need to involve others in more creative ways to get through. Thought this might happen. PDA play a much more fluid passing and possession game. The whole team can play it. Penn fusion is more direct and leans on individual brilliance to succeed. The brilliant were not bright enough on Saturday. Defense is more that responsible in part for the three against but the goose egg is on the attack.

Anonymous said...

2:17 - you are right. the board didn't value the work those missing in the defense have done for the past several years for that team with a lack of a deep roster back there. now you know.

Anonymous said...

2:23 i am not disagreeing, the attacking game needed to get at least 1, but you play a different game when you have a defense you trust.

Anonymous said...

217
It makes sense
Deep equals consistent roster level. Is that hard for you to understand? PF does not apparently have a consistent roster as they did not cope with missing some starters.
One of the kids missing was their one and done if you are counting her among your players you have read about she is one of the more creative players in the DA. Her missing would affect the overall effectiveness of the attack for sure. Having her out means the defense had fewer threats to occupy them and could mark the other two out of the game. I am guessing they did just that. Unless Eric says they were hitting cross bars and posts and the PDA gk and defense played out of their minds and PF studs just had a unlucky day. There are no stats reported like shots/sog/ possession % so hard to tell.

Anonymous said...

I guess all of this will be settled on 11/11. Get your popcorn ready.

Anonymous said...

what is a one and done? This is not college basketball. You said fewer implying that there are others. that is the point. It sounds like you were not at the game and are just drawing conclusions based on history. When you say one of the more creative players in the DA, is that vs similar opposition or the weaker teams that PF racked up stats against?

Like i have said repeatedly, any team can have a bad day, I just find the excuses about depth etc amusing. You talk about the players that are missing like its a given that they would make a difference. I bet before the game you thought the ones who were there would make a difference as well. The games have to be played and on teams with limited talent - that would be almost ALL of them apart from PF and PDA - unless your big player(s) play well, you are not competitive. Beating poor teams by football scores does not make a player special. Its what they do in the games vs equivalent talent and on this showing, PF was either unlucky of a let down. I was not there so I dont know which. I do know it has nothing to do with who was NOT there.

My final point would be I wish the USSF actually looked at WHO you are playing against when selecting YNT players. I would be looking at this tape if I were the USSF co--ordinator

Anonymous said...

1:23 - i have a kid on one of the younger teams and the younger GK hasn't been sitting. I have heard that she has played some games with the younger team. In checking the scoreboard, that is true.
No GK's from the PF ECNL 00/championship league team moved to college. i believe their 98/99 keepers did move to college along with most of that team.

Anonymous said...

3:05 okay, but don't you think they should be judged by who you are playing with as well.
kids that play on teams that don't have depth and have success should be judged by what they bring to a team to play against those that have depth.

Anonymous said...

3:05 so you would look at a tape when you play a team not at full strength over the tape when they are? okay.

Anonymous said...

3:05 actually knowing the team and knowing who would be out, i didn't have a good feeling about this game.

Anonymous said...

317 100 pct yes. Is a player better becasue they are always on the strongest team? I learn far more about players in adversity than I do in comfortable strength. Im not evaluating the team, Im evaluating individual players - I assume that is what the USSF are doing.

314 No I dont. If i see a kid on a weak team playing at a high level Im intrigued. Its a lot harder to do that , as PF found out t, that it is to roll over weaker teams. Mental toughness is a big part of it. I dont really understand your last sentence. Im not big on the "who you play with". If a player plays better alongside another kid all the time then maybe I should be looking at the other kid!! I want to see how a kid reacts when they know they have to pay well to be competitive.

Anonymous said...

320 so according to you that team is heavily reliant by one player then ? Thats very different to what i have read here over the last few months

Anonymous said...

Current U18 DA keeper and current Lehigh Freshman were the ECNL pair last year. Previous year's keeper left for CFC and is now at Lehigh. Keepers are a valuable commodity and very good ones are hard to find. The GK has to be one of the top 3 on the field and not having the top GK in a game against equal or better talent will be exposed. The GK should manage the back line and control some of the game speed. Not having #1 GK and missing defenders challenges the staff to game plan differently, and if the team is missing a top striker along with the top GK you are missing 2 of your 3 top players. I did not see the game and have no real rooting interest. My observations come from playing/coaching the GK position and now having a daughter who plays GK. There is also the fault of not developing players at the position and providing them opportunities to play. My daughter trains with a lot of these girls, and between the pipes there are only subtle differences when it comes to saves and shot stopping. The difference is between the ears to get to the next level. Not a commercial, just an endorsement. If your daughter is a GK get her to TKI.

Anonymous said...

3:27 they were not weaker teams.

PDA played FC VA to a 1-0 game; PF won 3-0 (full roster); PDA played VDA to a 1-0 game; PF 10-0 (without YNT); PDA played Classics to a 4-1 game; PF 6-0 without top scorer).

PDA hasn't played Spirit VA yet. And that wasn't a weak game. Spirit never gave up. They took many shots even breakaways (may have been their YNT player) without success. PF 8-1 (without YNT).

Still don't think these missing kids made a difference?



Anonymous said...

sorry PDA hasn't played Spirit MD yet. PF hasn't played Spirit VA yet. PF 8-1 over spirit md.

Anonymous said...

336 you miss the point. Scores mean zero and PF have more than enough to be competitive with anyone, even without one or two kids. Bottom line is for all the common opponent BS you have laid out, Vs PDA PF failed to score. The argument you put forward has a few potential conclusions. the most likely, and conversation ender would. PF did not play as well as they can. No excuses. PDA outplayed us. All the other ones call into question how good the kids who played really are and there is not enough evidence to do that. To keep suggesting that one or two make the difference is not valid based on the admittedly limited # of times I have seen them play. the group I have seen is a match for anyone on their day. Maybe Saturday was not it.

Anonymous said...

3:30 what are you talking about? PF's 98/99 keepers are at Penn and Lafayette.
00 BU commit is current starter GDA/PF keeper (and was on their 00 ECNL team and 99/00 team as well). The other PF 00 keeper isn't playing DA.

Anonymous said...

3:45 well from my conversations with her parents, if you ask the TKI coaches about the current PF U18/U19 GDA starter, they know her quite well, too. She and her parents speak very highly about TKI.

Anonymous said...

3:28 one player? how about 4 and one is scorer and other is top keeper. so yes. makes a difference.

Anonymous said...

3;44 i would agree with you if they hadn't been scoring more than 3 goals every game. as someone noted you can play differently with different players.

Anonymous said...

3:30 you are not correct. no one from the 00 PF ECNL team went to college, yet.
The U18 starter GK a 00 birthyear is from that PF team (Champs League) and also played on the 99/00 PF ECNL team the year previously (North American Cup semi-finalists).
And, prior was on USYS team. She was never on CFC.

3:45 is correct. I'm 2:08 and 2:18.

Anonymous said...

344 out played us? If you are from penn fusion then you would know they were missing more than 1 or 2. Not that I don't generally agree with your points, but it was 4: #1 top level GK and starting CB pair who on any team help keep the defense organized and a 2 way midfielder who creates and scores a lot just sayin... I know that team. My guess is the defense couldn't manage PDAs offensive power and the big time PF pair up top saw no service without the midfielder pulling the strings. Just guessing but intrigued enough to watch the video.
But I think they still lose on the 11th. PDA will be fielding a much stronger team then with their waiver kids back. I don't think the penn fusion kids, assuming they are not injured, return will offset the reinstatement of the 2016 ECNL champion team.

Anonymous said...

Not the OP but looked it up to see if the one I thought was the missing midfielder was the one I know. Yes one of the most creative kids in the da against all levels from ecnl champions league to da. She's been fun to watch since she was a little kid and I mean really little. Now bigger but still with the flair she had when she was tiny. My kid hates playing against her.

Anonymous said...

4;17 i disagree. i think it makes for a very exciting game. as someone posted, get your popcorn ready.

Anonymous said...

3:44 - as the scorecards note, all of the key kids out on saturday played in those games mentioned by 3:36; multiple goals v zero.
bad game; obviously.
should they have still seen some success, of course.
but can't overlook they are a stronger team with the missing players on the pitch then not rostered. that's all.

Anonymous said...

4:17 okay. i'll take that bet.
pda in ECNL was able to make full roster/depth line up changes in the games for fresh legs through out the league games. GDA/FIFA sub rules make a huge difference.
fully loaded teams. it will then be a battle of the coaches to see who can get the most out of their best players. now that sounds like a great game.

Anonymous said...

(4:14 PM)- PDA were far better than all but one or two teams last year in entire ECNL. PF were not even close to the top teams in Northeast Division! The 2000 PF ECNL team from last year was a fine team, but there was only 4 to 6 points separating teams 4 through 9 in the division. PF advanced to a ECNL champions league spot because of depth, but in my opinion, Match Fit, Continental and Alberston all played better soccer, but none of those teams had the depth to finish above PF. Right now our DA division isn’t very good so it makes sense that PF would have a close result vs. FCVA and get beat by Sky Blue. The teams PF have played to date are not as good as the teams they played last year in the ECNL. I don’t think you can judge this age group on results as the majority of the conference is less than average. Sky Blue 99/00 are not as good as in past years, but still a very good team and were also missing very good players, impact players that will be back. I love the PF parent (or friend….) of the girls that were missing letting us all know how much of a difference she would have made. I’m sure they didn’t just write how creative their daughter is and what a difference she would have made (4:25 PM). (12:41 PM) I’m sure it was someone else other than the parent (a friend) that posted about girls being at a college visit. She wouldn’t have made a difference on Saturday. Pathetic.

Anonymous said...

Hahaha PF advanced to ECNL Champs because of depth. Not at all. In fact they were hit pretty hard last year with injuries and they only rostered 18 or less. Now injuries and kids having things are part of it. It's called life. All of the teams have to deal with it too. And yes i am a friend of the parents of kids on the team. If you believe it or not, i really don't give a rats arss.

And since those other teams mentioned did so well in the runner up leagues in ECNL well that is just a testament to what you believe.

The PF teams both the 00 and 01 made it to champs league and the 00 team beat the #10 seed (Ohio) and tied the #4 seed (who was undefeated previously SLSG - MO) and more.

Guess the grapes you can't reach are sour too.

Anonymous said...

I'm on PF and what close game are you talking about re FC VA? The 3-2 win and then the 3-0 win. First of all, FC VA is a very good team. And, the PF v FC VA game 3-2 should have been 3-0 as well. The keeper made two spectacular stops on balls that weren't cleared. But, it happens. Game of soccer. However, isn't that a 1 goal differential like FC VA vs. Sky Blue?? Second time they met and all the missing girls from sat were present as well, 3 goal differential.

Anonymous said...

8:33 i am the above poster. no one said sky blue isn't good. why would you put that out there?

Anonymous said...

8:49 PM the only sour grapes are coming from Penn Fusion. Go back and read all your posts... You lost, to the better team, that has always been a better team. You are sad.

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