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Monday, August 14, 2017

U18 Girls Youth Soccer

This page is focused on Under 18 girls youth soccer, primarily in Region 1 but everyone is invited to share and post.

Teams face increased competition for the top players, (who are increasingly attending college showcases).

More teams consolidate and the best teams--academy soccer, club soccer and high school teams--battle to attract and retain the right player mix.

Stay tuned. This is bound to be good.

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Anonymous said...

457 Check Kerri Sarvers resume ;) April K starts the whole thing off and has massive influence. She is very pro Colorado and West Coast. Adil is - Hawks. JD- Stars. Recently they had Lesli Gallimore on hte Aussie tour - UW coach. 2 UW players on the team ;)

The East Coast is/was repped by JD who is on the ECNL board and the ECNL rep for this area. His partners on the board are...PDA, M O'N - HC at Rutgers) There is little separation of duty. It blows my mind that these Clubs can decide who can and cannot be ECNL and GDA whilst retaining the ability to do both themselves. They can decide who they choose to favor based on the impact to them. The recent id2/ National event- case in point. No kids from certain clubs. in the NE. How is that possible ?

I love the ECNL has no influence comment. Its not the letters, its the individuals. Many of these folks have fingers in many pies. Look at Lavers.

Anonymous said...

It is the letters. NCAA how can they allow this to happen, too?

Anonymous said...

4;57
okay so, Kerri S was Internationals DOC. Dots connected. txs 8:17

Holy crap i signed on to find out if age group blogs moved and saw all of this. it's reality soccer tv by way of our wallets.

Anonymous said...

what is the saying? absolute power corrupts absolutely.
indeed.

Anonymous said...

OMG K Sarver "assistant coach for the u18 YNT listed in her freaking bio. Then kids magically show up to camp from a team that didn't even make the showcase level????
God is this whole thing corrupt. No wonder we suck internationally.

Anonymous said...

806 ..Coaches are always going to initially favor the kids they know. They may also want to benchmark other kids vs kids they know. As a country, we do not do enough to broaden the searches becasue the US is so big. I think the spend ratio between scouting and camps/international trips is wrong. GDA may address the scouting issue a bit.

The thing you have to remember is they are all good players. There are a handful of really elite ones who stand out in that company and then you can honestly pick any one of 150 kids. The difference is marginal. There are a couple of kids I think are elite who have a legitimate beef as to why they do not get selected more often.

My final point is we select the same kids too often. The USSF are confused as to the role they play. I dont think they should be trying to coach/train players tactically as much as they do. They should be looking to identify elite talent and allow the CLUBS to continue to develop it against a plan. That means you should be constantly bringing in NEW kids to get a look at for a week, We should not be tying to build a U-18 team, but a diverse pool of U-18 talent that we can keep an eye on for the future. It seems subtle, but I think its a big issue. USSF seem to promote continuity and tactics for these teams as if they are going to be playing that way forever. They wont. Tactical and technical versatility is a huge asset to any player. I understand it when prepping for a world cup, but i would only go into team mode 6 months before the event.

Bottom line is, the GDA could fix a lot of these issues, but I think its a reflection on those in charge of the USSF that we have such fundamental issues. I dont see it changing much unless the leadership does.

Anonymous said...

2 forwards from a team that didn't qualify for ECNL post season much less Champions league at any level?

Anonymous said...

928 I dont get your point. Are you suggesting that YNTs should be full of players from CL teams/?

Anonymous said...

not the other poster, but i think the poster is saying the opposite that the internationals selection may be based on politics.

Anonymous said...

I am saying what team with two true YNT quality players would end up in the very bottom of the ECNL without qualifying for post season. Ah and also a ynt defender.

Anonymous said...

1006 I dont disagree, but there is no accountability in the current regime. There are loads of examples.

BJ Snow did not get it right @ U17WC in spite of 2 cycles and yet he is now in charge of talent ID and a spot coach for several YNTs . The players he selected are all still heavily involved in YNTs at some level. So no one paid any price for not getting out of the group. 4 of the players from that team have been in camp with the Full team.

I could go on, but no point really.

This has been the pattern and we will see if the GDA changes it. For it to change, there needs to be real leadership and accountability. I dont see any evidence of that in the current set up

Anonymous said...

Play internationally. More money; more prestige (other countries actually like soccer) and great experience.

Anonymous said...

1100 more money and prestige for who ?

Anonymous said...

10:41

Maybe they like BJ Snow for the same reasons they have always liked him.

Anonymous said...

1127 please elaborate

Anonymous said...

some of the international teams. some of the girls I know that played internationally were paid more than the minimum of NWSL and they get people at the games. not going to name teams or names. but it's there.

Anonymous said...

1147 I thought we were talking Youth teams

Anonymous said...

we are but responding to 11:11 based on prior post.

Anonymous said...

thats why I asked the OP what he/ she meant. Ty for clarifying . I now understand what they meant

Anonymous said...

Elaborate on what? The insinuation is that Snow should get the AXE from anything associated with WNT play. I say they LIKE what he brings and wouldn't just discard him over a lost tournament. Capiche?

Anonymous said...

oh yes I capiche, except its 2 cycles and there are many people cast aside for far less. the THEY you refer to is probably his old boss Jill Ellis.

Discard over a tournament, thats funny. Go talk to some of the kids who played for him and they will tell you they had no idea what they were supposed to be trying to do in attack. We just bypassed MF and played get it to Sanchez soccer. I hear from Ellis how technical and how good Pinto and Howell are ...they barely touched the ball under BJ. I hear that Smith is a huge prospect at striker .. bench player for BJ. Often played behind a 14 yr old.

He is in the results business and in 2 cycles and 4 years he did nothing. did worse the second time. At what point do his results trump the personal relationship ? Answer never, because that is how this administration runs things. Nepotism rules the roost. When the youth assistants see the bosses doing ti, they follow suit.

Capiche ?

Anonymous said...

You know he was re-assigned, right?

Anonymous said...

he was promoted to u23 coach and head "talent scout"

Anonymous said...

He should run for elected office. Sounds like he is perfect for the job. No results, still have a job and get promotion.
Oh the wheels on the bus go around and around, around and around.

Anonymous said...

Yeah, should have pounded England I guess.....

heh

Anonymous said...

Like Netherlands did today?

Anonymous said...

I dont know - just sounds like they are busting on Snow for playing England to a U23 tie and losing first place on the goal differential. Nothing to do with Netherlands,

Anonymous said...

99/00 gda from pda will be the exact same gunner team from a year ago that won u-16 national championship: With the same coach returning. This team has very good chance of.of winning national gda championship

Anonymous said...

Is there such a thing?

Anonymous said...

Okay. don't want to get into a GDA thing on the board. But, because they did not advance in ECNL??? I don't get it. Btw - other teams have kids from 99 team that didn't have beforehand either. Don't overlook other VERY GOOD GDA teams as well.

It's not political this time around.

Anonymous said...

PDA have done an amazing job of convincing everyone thy are the best at everything. Even after the worst year they have ever had as a Club in terms of post season play, they still have people telling you they are the favorites to win an event in a GDA that has not even started. An event where we dont even know the composition of the other teams.

Anonymous said...

yep, hilarious.
convincing?? hahaha trying to convince is more like it.

Anonymous said...

If you are on the top or even second from top PDA team than you are set to play in college. Really good chance at D1 or other level with some money to go along with it. Just look at their commit picture every year. I just feel bad for the lower teams who pay the same$$.

Anonymous said...

Please. I know PDA kids that transferred due to no playing time. I am not throwing stones. This happens with others too.
They are a good organization and there are others as well including some not as expensive. Remember, it's not where you start, it's where and how you finish.

Anonymous said...

255 Agreed. The pint was that the perception of PDA and its dominance is based on history that has changed a lot over the last 5 years. Its a very diluted product now. PDA has lost an NT player to Cedar Stars !! That would never happen 5 ears ago. In fact I think at this age , Cedar Stars have s many recent YNT call ups as PDA do.

Anonymous said...

Is the kid who went to Cedar stars the one that went matchfit->PDA->cedarstars? If so not a national player anymire. Overhyped and dad...

Anonymous said...

They all suddenly have flaws when they leave. It's a strange coincidence

Anonymous said...

How is that handled outside the cult? Are they shunned like Amish that leave the community? #don't talk to the free thinker

Anonymous said...

312

Cedar is STILL looking for academy players

PDA was done many many moons ago and cut some real good players

Anonymous said...

PDA only invited a few select players to their tryouts and completely ignored other players in the club. Our daughter was put on a field where no clipboards could be seen because the roster was pre-decided. Other PDA kids on her team were told to NOT even show up. It wasn't that they cut good players but they didn't even look at them. Our daughter is committed (NO HELP FROM PDA) and is just tired of the political crap. We plan to enjoy HS soccer!!! PDA is not the powerhouse of old and will continue to sink. We only ever asked for honesty and got none. I can't wait to move on after next year...

Anonymous said...

7:14 AM

am curious, First of all I am South West of PDA in the PA area. Sounds like Similar demographics. My question is based on what looks like similar behaviors with a lot of the supposed "Better Clubs". Who is driving the decisions? Is it parent relationships as far as Parents with connections to Colleges, Parents with Money or just personality? I have seen and my daughter has fell victim to what appears to be nepotism or not being on the right friends list. Now you can say it's sour grapes but her abilities have been recognized outside of the club and when we moved on her abilities have been respected and she has been rewarded (committed this summer). One interesting aspect is that when she talked with two local college coaches they asked why she did not respond to them. When she asked what they meant they indicated that they reached out to her club coach asking if she was looking at their schools, information we never received. It was interesting that she was performing very well and for no reason the club coach benched her and neither he nor the DOC would give a reason. The only thing we could see from the sidelines was a new player who was a '17 was not getting any looks, the parents had a few connections (daughter cut from another ECNL team) and my daughter wound up seeing very limited playing time. The team actually suffered posting a losing record the remainder of the year. We along with a few other players wound up leaving the team and each girl have found success this past year. I guess things happen for a reason but it is interesting to see the things that go on that are not really equitable.

Anonymous said...

809 No disrespect, but your daughter sounds like a solid middle of the roster player. Similar to the majority. Its players like this who get screwed becasue its purely subjective as to their value and impact relative to others. These are exactly the players who get manipulated and ripped off by the system. The sell you on this vision that you need them ( The Clubs/ Coaches) and then control information flow to make whatever case that suits their agenda.

They cant do that to the very best players and its why that method works . Its really sad, but its how you maintain the illusion of adding value.

Congratulations on escaping a bad situation. Your story is in no way unique

Anonymous said...

The Coach and DOC want to send as many kids possible to play at the next level. This helps them recruit younger players into their "proven" system. However, they take care of their prime candidates first. It is a business where they do what is best for themselves and not you.

There are many advantages in blocking a certain player and steering the college coach to another. The main reason is because they don't want to hurt any relationship with a college over a difficult player or family. Also, the other player is just better in "their" opinion. They want the College to keep coming back to drink from the same well.

It is very hard for a player to take an honest assessment of their own skill level, soccer IQ, or coachability. Parents also don't see fault in their own actions that hurt a players chances.

College soccer is very different than Club soccer. If two players are almost equal they take personality over ability every time. Long bus rides, hotels, locker rooms, and dinners are not fun with a difficult person.

This is the real world where not everyone gets a trophy.


Anonymous said...

1058 Strange post. It sounds like you either know about the situation described and have taken a side or you are speculating. There are difficult people in all walks of life and relationships drive much of this, but honesty and openness makes it easier. If you dnt get straight answers form a club or coach you need to get out.

I disagree. it is very easy to get honest assessment as long as the message is consistent. What tends to happen is everyone is great until suddenly they aren't . Parents are misled to serve a purpose and then dumped once alternatives are available.

its a bit like the whole HS waiver thing for GDA. What si the pitch to the players at the bottom of the roster who will be impacted by waivers?

Bottom line is, this is a business without much in the way of rules and adults tend to do what they think is best for their pockets.

Anonymous said...

7:14
I have heard many not very flattering things about PDA in the past couple of years from people on the inside. Good luck in high school and beyond.

Anonymous said...

10:58
the reality of the situation is that the business of club soccer is to help kids who desire to play in college or beyond do so. so for an uncommitted kid who graduated this year to get playing time so colleges could see her unfortunately happens in most of the clubs records notwithstanding. now your child also needed assistance so there should have been equity to the playing time.

if your kid committed and is happy then it all worked out in the end. best of luck.

Anonymous said...

PDA are a great club, ther is no doubt,. That said, they still have the same issues that every other club has. The same conflicts , the same unhappy parents, the same politics. The reason you hear less about it is because they are big enough and powerful enough for it to be ignored as noise and parents buy into the notion that they are a powerhouse for College placement. They are, but its chicken and egg.

An elite player doe snot need PDA, quite the opposite. PDA need to produce/attract a few every year or for all the hoopla they are just another club. More and more elite players know that they are in the drivers seat with regard to club soccer and they are starting to play where it is most convenient for them and where they can strike the best deal,

It is noteworthy just how many kids are committing to Rutgers so early. Each to their own but if I had Colleges calling me in 9th grade, im not sure I would jump at Rutgers before testing the water with others.

Anonymous said...

7:14
are you staying w/PDA despite the horrible treatment? send the message by leaving and taking others as well.

Anonymous said...

11:59
those that commit to Rutgers then have the political advantage with the club. Now that GDA is running the show, maybe not so much.
PDA boys will benefit from ECNL political influence, now.

As another poster noted, i have been surprised that another DI college hasn't expressed outrage with NCAA.

Anonymous said...

Where are the records from ECNL last year? They have been taken down already. Didn't we pay for this so why are we not able to see this information re final standings, etc.?

Anonymous said...

934 surely everyone is looking for Academy players given most seem to think the GDA will be terrible and the ECNL will continue to be where the best players and competition is.

Anonymous said...

Everyone? no. and that's not what I am hearing from college coaches either.
are you not reading the above, ECNL is a cesspool of politics and money.

Anonymous said...

12:07,

They did the same thing last year when they changed platforms. I thought last year was another "endorsement" win for the ECNL in getting additional $$ for moving platforms. This year may just be a maintenance thing and the history (back to last year) may re-appear once all team info is loaded for the 2017/2018 season. You may want to reach out to the ECNL and see if they can provide it (maybe for a fee).

Anonymous said...

11:09
what is the pitch with the GDA and hs waivers? on my kid's team, only 1 kid took the waiver. and not an impact player at this time considering the other spots that are filled.

Anonymous said...

The main thing is the training with the DA. It is 4-5 times per week and they have goal keeper trainers as well. So if the training is what you are looking for and you should be, this is it. And it is no cost. We know of one girl who is in at Cedar Stars DA, 2000 girl, senior in hs. She will begin training with them soon and also do HS from what I understand when she can.

Anonymous said...

12:43 - it's just continuing evidence of how little they actually value the paying customers. This was a league for the players. It's certainly derailed from that (facilities questionable, refs questionable, not every team held accountable similarly, disappearing standings and scores, etc.).

Anonymous said...

10:58

You are way off. I mean your overview of the process is pretty spot on, in reality there are so many other factors that cannot be controlled. But Sometimes it is the compliant amicable players that get dropped through the cracks and the ones with the belligerent and loudmouth parents have the leverage. You commented broadly on my specific situation that you know nothing about. The scenario included a coach that totally destroyed the confidence of a team that was together for a long time to appease a few newcomers that could benefit him personally. This was his third or fourth team in 3 years, and bounced between merged clubs and teams. There were rumors and speculation that went un reported because he held a few chips in his hands. The loss of the 5 players brought up the issues bit too late for some. Now I realize that this may in fact be a pre-cursor for college as coaches ego trips are longer than a trip to the moon and back, but putting that type of person at u16 is a disservice to everyone.

Anonymous said...

12:55 when hs season begins she will not be able to participate in GDA. That is what we have been told. If US Soccer gets wind of it and she plays in any GDA games, those USDA games will be forfeited.

Anonymous said...

@12:55 how no cost? that's great.

Anonymous said...

-12:43 if it was maintenance shouldn't they have a note about it. and maintenance isn't the entire summer. this is classic ECNL anymore. it's my ball and I'm keeping it.
shame. it was great for a period of time.

Anonymous said...

1:38
BUYER BEWARE, I guess they do not see the relevance in having historical data if it does not support their narrative. I wonder if college coaches would like to have the information available to determine the track record of players from u-14 forward. I am thinking that taking down the previous year's data somewhat forces coaches to show up. For the parents of younger players it may be a good idea to start screen capping your players stats so you have something to provide going forward. It almost makes the other pay for platforms like TDS more reputable??? At least hey have some type of historical data.

Anonymous said...

Email Christian Lavers. Im sure he will fix it for you. My experience is the ECNL are a cartel that do things for a reason. . The reason is not always whats best for the players.

Anonymous said...

ECNL stats are not reliable. Many clubs dont even post them

Anonymous said...

College Coaches do not give a crap about your ECNL team record. They only care about the player. Go ask a scout who is watching a showcase game what the score is. They will have no clue because they just don't care.

I was told that by two different college coaches.

Anonymous said...

DA is no cost to the player. She did mention she was playing hs as well. Maybe not playing DA matches till winter/spring after hs is over. unless waiver was an option for this DI player. I would think if the DA really wants a player and the player insists on playing HS they will figure it out? But I am not really sure. I believe it is free tuition? can someone else confirm what exactly is Free? Are uniforms provided? Is any travel covered food?

Anonymous said...

GDA in general is NOT no cost. Cedar Stars is.

Anonymous said...

12:59

I commented broadly an a broad topic.

I know nothing of your specific situation. Or do I? Wink Wink...

Anyway, it does appear that my comments upset you so maybe they hit too close to home.

Anonymous said...

so 2:35's comments only relate to CSA. Got it.

Anonymous said...

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/young-mother-injured-brawl-nc-youth-soccer-game-article-1.3393778

Anonymous said...

2:35
prior comment about hs and forfeiting games is related to DI committed kids as well.

Anonymous said...

read that story. A 15 yr old being charged with assault over a bad call. Out of control.

Anonymous said...

3:10
who cares? The other poster didn't make it personal. You did. And you wonder why your kid was benched. Look in the mirror.

Anonymous said...

2:32 well i disagree. i guess it depends on the scout and what they were watching. Had an ACC coach at a showcase as me the final score of one game as he saw my club hat. He had to leave after 1st half. So, maybe for some, the score does matter.

Most sites have this stuff for historical purposes. NPL, GotSoccer and other various tournament sites. This isn't about stats, it's about scores and rosters. It's bullcrap that the paying customers can't access the information for whatever reason.

Anonymous said...

2;35 & 5:43
i heard as well re forfeiting USDA games if active hs player is in them DI, YNT, it doesn't matter. don't be silly folks. don't put your club team in jeopardy.

Anonymous said...

3:10,

Wink Wink... do you do finger guns too? Sounds like your the parent that either stands as close to the midfield line as possible to egg on the other team, or actually parades up and down the sidelines following your daughter on the field. Hey maybe you are familiar with the situation, I was pretty specific except for naming names. Here's another hint, the one decent coach from that season is the only one left at the club coaching in the girls program. A few left for another PA club, one to coach boys and the others have not popped up anywhere yet.

Anonymous said...

Finger guns?? Hilarious. Eggs on other team? That's not cool.
You guys need to have a finger gun duel somewhere. Proving grounds maybe?

Anonymous said...

This is enticing stuff. I do thumbs up? Can I get in on this? I'm bring my posse as well, mr. whistle and mrs. call out the refs. This is West Side Story; soccer style. Keep us posted.

Anonymous said...

It would be more convenient if the meeting place were Council Rock North, bang bang. It would have also been more convenient for everyone if things were done the right way from start so people wouldn’t have to be driving all over the place. In 2017 two players left for PA Strikers, one to Continental another to Match Fit. Three are at PDA, but some departures occurred the year before. It’s the case with the younger teams now, maybe even worse.

Anonymous said...

Could we meet in the middle, I guess that would be in Philly correct? It was a 3-4 team merry go round and continues to be. It will be interesting to see the 2017-2018 rosters for the 00/99 age group once they are finalized.

Anonymous said...

Sadly, looks like that story may work with quite a few teams. i know a number of kids that went through that system and are doing quite well. hopefully they work it out.

my daughter's former team was a horror show with a coach or two and we are not in your area. And, I know of others. it's evidence of the peaks and valleys of club soccer. But, I don't post anything about her former team and it was a doosie. Chalk it up to a learning experience and wish them well; just not on my dime.

Anonymous said...

3:59 but you left right? so why do you care? maybe others will have a better experience. wish for that. and, unfortunately, having to drive all over is our lives; many of us.
if you were able to play close to you for a good amount of time, then that's a good thing. many have had bad experiences. some worse than others, but if you and your kid are better than you were, then that is all that matters. just saying...

Anonymous said...

For me it is the hindsight thing. There is a lot invested in time and money. Our experience was not unique and it is good to know that. Between the connections, crazy parents and lackluster coaches with accents it because a mine field to navigate at times. At u15 my daughter was asked to play for two teams, one ecnl and the other a top team based on points. I thought I knew which was the better way to go especially with the big debate about GS points not really mattering. Looking back we probably should have made the other choice. Because that is where we wound up @u17. Along with a few other really good players.

Anonymous said...

http://highschoolsports.pennlive.com/news/article/-5712683271878673545/all-american-rachael-dorwart-brice-and-jamie-mcinroy-will-pass-on-senior-girls-soccer-season-at-cumberland-valley/

Should be an interesting High School Soccer season ?!?

Anonymous said...

Everything I read/see points to the GDA taking a big bite out of HS and ECNL play. The impact on teams when you remove 1 or 2 key players is going to be huge.

Those who deny it are not paying attention.

Anonymous said...

7:55
interesting. our family took the other route. were on a high level team based on GSP points (and you are correct, they really, really don't matter) and left it. Had reach outs to go to another for free but went the ECNL route. It was the way to go for us. Within weeks, we had multiple coaches reaching out to our club for interest. prior to being in ECNL, to the best of my knowledge anyway, they hadn't reached out before.
i guess the biggest hurdle for you was the coach who didn't share information. Glad it all worked out!

Anonymous said...

Yep 9:22, denial isn't a river in Egypt. :)

Anonymous said...

These kids should have played high school and enjoyed it. Well at least Dorwart has a chance to make it to national team. The other 2 were by passed for another kid on the same team to get the USSF nod this week. Obviously the GDA ID "advantage" won't impact them. They are wasting their time in the GDA. Really a couple of months of high school is going to impact their success in college. Most likely not. probably delusion parents thinking they are going to make the national team. Isn't that what they promised all these DA kids when they made them sacrifice the community experience?

Anonymous said...

who are you to tell them what to do? There are many kids who would prefer to train yr round with like minded players than play HS. Good luck to them. If a player thinks that is going to make them better, then I applaud. If kids want to play HS, Im all for that as well.

The anti GDA folks who claim that nothing short of a place on the Full NT renders GDA a waste are quite frankly stupid.

Anonymous said...

Hey, Their names are in the paper. I also have to wonder if twins and or siblings always have the same talent, I guess genes plays a role but I find it interesting when I see sisters on the same team. Back in the day one of my son's teams had a great goalie. The parents petitioned to have their younger son on the team as well, a year younger and a mile further down in talent. It caused a lot of issues with the team dynamics as playing time for little brother was not what the parents wanted, eventually they pulled both kids and went elsewhere, the team actually improved.

Anonymous said...

Amazing comments...
According to article, the college coaches recommended playing GDA. End of story!
Why do you parents have to throw stones?
Childish, jealous perhaps?

Anonymous said...

11:07
why is it your concern?

Anonymous said...

11:36
my kid is a senior and is playing GDA as well. She has the full support of her hs coach, too. Those that get it completely agree.

Anonymous said...

11:07 - maybe your kid wants to sit the bench for a year or two when she gets to college. some don't.

Anonymous said...

http://www.machermanntrophy.org/2017-watch-lists-1

was on a younger blog for other daughter. saw this. apparently 7 of the 30 nationally selected to be on the prestigious MAC Hermann watch list are from our blogging area:

"Looks like 7 out of 30:

Murphy (Rutgers; NJ);
Corboz (Georgetown; NJ);
Sullivan (Stanford; VA);
Bloznalis (Boston University; MASS);
Crouse (Penn State; PA);
Andrzejewski (UNC; MD);
Ham (Bucknell, NH)"

congratulations to them; their programs and families.

Anonymous said...

caveat - obviously it's their school and then their state of residence. i know where these schools are located. lol

Anonymous said...

What is the point of a watch list? Just watch the games adn opick the best player at the end of the year. Its like pre season teams. wtf is the point?

Dumbest thing ever.

Anonymous said...

watch lists exist everywhere dude
creates excitement, great marketing

Anonymous said...

12:52
it's like the Heisman of soccer for guys and girls. do you know anything about college soccer? is there a remedial blog for this dude?

Anonymous said...

131 I know exactly what it si. The question is what is the point of a WATCH LIST. Why not let the players actually PLAY and then select the best player. Is that not clear enough for you?

Anonymous said...

it's a big deal in college soccer. most schools have it on their sites as well if their kids are nominated. helps your soccer resume too just getting nominated. congrats to these young ladies.

Anonymous said...

Why don't they do that in football as well? You know it's direct competitor in the Fall?Hello, Peyton yeah, sorry you didn't win, but maybe all of this was unnecessary. Here's your participation trophy instead. Because we watched you play and well, you are just the man.

It's part of the culture. And as someone said, it adds excitement and helps promote the game as well as the individual's hard work.

Anonymous said...

1131 The twins are very different kids and players, but they are both very talented. Both have been PA and region 1 ODP and are well known to many of us. There is no one riding the other. The little one grew and kept her sick skills and the bigger one remains smart and tough. Tennessee is lucky to get the "Package". They were not interviewed and its not likely they asked to publish this story. Most likely the reporter went to interview a top high school coach about the upcoming season and he lamented that some of his top players weren't playing for the school that year.

Is anyone surprised that the colleges are encouraging the kids to play club all year?

Anonymous said...

1;54 good of you to respond. i thought this was just someone having a low sugar event. babbling.

Anonymous said...

Plus we all know that HS soccer varies widely in terms of coaching and level of play. It is a nice way for higher level girls committed to top D1 programs to continue to play and mitigate the risk of injuries and over use. Meaning the training HS teams do can be more detrimental than beneficial and playing against players with less control of their skills can be a hazard.

Anonymous said...

Agreed. And not everyone is on a field of dreams as far as playing site. I have seen games played on the equivalent of green dirt after a hot summer. That's always fun.

Anonymous said...

Do people think that these three are the rule rather than the exceptions? Are most of the top high school players playing in the DA? Are there too few DA players to make a difference? What happens in NJ? In NY?

Anonymous said...

http://www.soccerwire.com/blog-posts/nc-courage-academy-defender-maggie-pierce-discusses-transition-from-ecnl-to-girls-da/

Anonymous said...

I would not sound the alarms. Many kids that play high school are not even soccer players outside of school soccer. But, there are high level kids opting out. So, other kids play. That's all. It's high school; not the olympics.

Anonymous said...

6:16 look at player Bios at D1 schools. Why do they all list their HS and HS honors if it's just HS and then a sentence about their club team? 2:25 with all the different levels they still are proud of their stats even though they rack them up vs some very bad teams. HS training can not wreck a kid. If it does then the kids never had the goods. Goos soccer players can play with anyone players better than them or they can lead a team and make them better than they are.

My understanding is that they can't do both at the same time, how can they HS is everyday but Sunday and some Saturdays. GDA is 4 days a week plus weekend games. Why would anyone do this?

I agree kids that want to continue playing High Level D1 soccer should play GDA if the GDA team wants them. In PA there are 2 clubs in NJ there are 2 clubs, you need to be close and you also need to have what the coach of the GDA team likes So that 40 kids in PA and 40 in NJ from 2 age groups and somehow you guys want all the kids to play GDA come on man.

Anonymous said...

Okay. So, as far as college bio's, I guess that will change. Instead of listing hs, kids will list GDA to their list of accomplishments. I don't foresee this to be an issue whatsoever.

And, your belief about the 4 days training and a game is not correct; at least not in my kid's GDA. Kids work/train 4 days total, including a game.

And unfortunately, i have seen too many times when it's the bad soccer players that injure the better ones in high school. And with the less than stellar refs, it doesn't get addressed.

I'm not sure why this is even being discussed anymore. There is no more speculation as to what will happen. The hammer came down. You can't do both simultaneously. So, decisions/choices needed to be made. And they were. So, it's a non-issue anymore.

The kids are playing where ever they are playing and good luck to all of them.

Anonymous said...

Wow, this is still discussion?
I agree with 11:10...move one, good luck to each girl with her decision.
My daughter opted for HS ball and her club team will be made up of mostly other talented players like her who are choosing to play their 4th year varsity instead of GDA, which for them and their future college coach, is no issue.
Not all D1 are recommending the same thing either. Depends on the club/team where daughter is also.
"How will your team compare to this year's team?" was the question my daughter was asked by future coach....
May your daughters have the best experience this year!!!
No matter where they play!

Anonymous said...

I agree - I love that the GDA said you can play HS but not GDA so choose which you want.

I think the conversation is more about how the clubs handle this. The league said you can't do both. But do they offer spots to kids who pick HS over GDA during HS season? If they do, do they then demote players who picked GDA after HS season to take back HS players? I don't blame a GDA club if they don't take HS players, that's their choice.

Anonymous said...

its still a discussion becasue several have speculated that the better players will still play HS.

Anonymous said...

That Penn Fusion team will be loaded judging from that article. Their 00 was very good last year and add the powerhouse Dorwart and they will definitely be impressive at least this fall until Dorwart goes to UNC. If the other DA programs are keeping the top ECNL or "collecting" the top players like penn Fusion apparently are, then the DA won't take as long to take off as some suspected.

Anonymous said...

@5:50
From what's been made public, it appears that most of the real difference maker players are going DA. The role players are making decisions to play highschool and be the BM(W)OC rather than risk play time issues in a supporting role with a DA team. Probably the best choice for these kids. They are mostly going mid major or maybe supported walk ons at bigger programs. Not surprised that those midmajor coaches are seeing things differently than the bigger programs. The difference in salary between an ACC or SEC coach and a Colonial or A10 coach for example are probably significant. There is more to protect for these guys with their scholarship athletes in the big leagues. The DA might not be as deep as the ECNL teams were, but they seem to be retaining the top level players.

Anonymous said...

937 I think the College coaches role in the decision process is vastly overstated. Yes the ask, but Im not so sure they "suggest" where kids should play. I dont think they have anymore of an idea that we do. They may make a suggestion based on a close relationship with a specific coach at a club, but tbh I think they are ok with wherever the kid plays in the majority of cases

Anonymous said...

9:42
and you speak for the majority of college coaches?
my daughter's college coach didn't push one way or another; however all but 1 other fellow 2018 class recruit are playing GDA. Her coach is thrilled. She is looking for contributions from many of them as freshman including my daughter.

Anonymous said...

And this is the ripple effect that hasn't hit yet. people are on here talking about high school.

this is a soccer blog. so i am making a leap of faith that most people on here have kids that play high level soccer outside of high school. if that program discussed above has all but one in a class of recruits (figure about 8-11 usually per class) not playing ECNL, NL or whatever. That is when the effect of the GDA will be felt; come club soccer time.

Anonymous said...

continuing from above
and as the soccerwire article about the CASL team now playing NC Courage, that's an entire team not playing ECNL or NL (as both were in their league's respective championships).

This is where the rubber meets the road folks.

Anonymous said...

My kid's coach flat out said I think its better for you to focus on getting ready for college with your club team all year around. Would hate for you to have to miss opportunity as a freshmen because you got hurt and or missed out on some key development time. He also said he hopes that the teams release the games to the college coaches for their review. DA requires all games to be recorded. Might save them a lot of time and expense in recruiting if they get these tapes. Will force the ECNL to meet them on it.

Anonymous said...

1004 I said I think. Its a message board. We express opinions. I dont pretend to know or speak for them.

Anonymous said...

So there you have it. Two instances where one was not necessarily directed to do so (although the lack of saying anything may be have been read as I should) and one that was specifically directed.

What do both have in common? They want their recruits to be game ready as freshmen. And since there are only so many GDA slots, should give some programs an advantage over others. The strong get stronger.

Anonymous said...

10:58 AM

Looks like a great opportunity for facilities like the Proving Grounds to add value to the environment. Similar to what is done at tournaments, hire a video company to tape all games and add it to the fees. Probably should be done anyway. Hey here's another idea, set up the DA Channel for streaming opportunities as well.

Anonymous said...

11:18
maybe poster thought you were their union rep. :)

Anonymous said...

Good idea, but are any games being played at Proving Grounds? Where are PF and Classics' home fields?

Anonymous said...

The injury concern in HS vs Club is a non issue. The majority of serious injuries occur in non contact situations. I have seen numerous knee injuries in the past 5 years, none have been from contact. Club coaches hold some responsibility as few spend enough time on fitness and injury prevention. The paying parent rarely appreciates coaches spending valueable training time on fitness, we all focus on the training and often complain if we see players doing fitness at practice. HS soccer can be ugly but to use injuries as a reason for not playing HS is a poor excuse, the facts don't support it.

Anonymous said...

PF uses it's stadium and it's fields at US Training Center. But since it's academy play, maybe they have access to other fields as well. Not sure about Classics.

Anonymous said...

11:38
Well USSF is using it. And maybe they are relying on facts.
As far as my personal experience, i have witnessed it in high school way more than club. And, it's not just other players causing, it's facilities as well. Fields that are full of divots and rocks; no grass; horrible pseudo turf. You don't get to pick where you play.

Anonymous said...

I have seen plenty of contact injuries during high school especially directed at the best players in attempts to "take them out" of the game or intimidate them into pulling back. My kid definitely was very reluctant to go charging into the box in high school because there were plenty of bigger kids slotted in at defense purely for their physical ability to get "stuck in" whether in an attempted tackle, they hit the ball, a foot, an ankle or a knee didn't matter and often the were rewarded because a foul wasn't called.

Anonymous said...

11:54 - i also see more goon squad tactics in high school rather than in high level play.
watched a few kids get tackled, studs up, from the back, several times. no calls; no red cards; no warnings; nothing.
and some of the refs were usually overweight and couldn't keep up with the play unless someone was waving a sandwich.

Anonymous said...

12:06 maybe there should be pre season for refs as far as endurance and running and no sandwich rewards. not kidding. safety of kids should always be their #1 concern.

Anonymous said...

From the soccerwire article;

"The University of North Carolina [Pierce’s college commitment] coaches talk about trying to play and train at the highest level possible in the most competitive environment in order to prepare for college play, and that is what the GDA is supposed to give us, so I think that the new format will be good college preparation.”

Another high level coach supports the move away from highschool to his players while publicly siding with the ECNL....

Anonymous said...

I'm not seeing this type of play in HS. I watch girls that try to win and compete hard. Maybe the skill level isn't as high as many of you would like,but at least the kids try and play for their colors. Why beat up HS?

I am more curious to see what the ECNL clubs that also have a GDA do, since Full time academy players are only allowed to play for the NT out side of the academy.

There are not to many good refs in Youth Soccer or HS. I know players that were hurt playing club soccer than HS soccer just my experience I guess.

Anonymous said...

I can tell you the one DI player I know going to DA at CSA is not playing DA for fall. She is officially on the DA, but electing to play HS soccer, then start with DA in November. Their is something about hs soccer that attracts

Anonymous said...

1247 I took that as HER interpretation. Anson Dorrance has been very critical of the GDA.

Anonymous said...

1255 it will be very hard to see what they do because those Clubs that have both are mostly ECNL founding members. There have been some waivers to private school scholarship kids ( I hear). But I also heard how few kids were choosing GDA :)

Anonymous said...

Actually wouldn't necessarily be Dorrance she's quoting. He might publically say one thing. But say another to his assistants. Of relevance, Pierce's club coach is Damon Nahas who has also served as YNT "assistant" and currently serves as a UNC assistant coach. Its likely Nahas is telling her to play club all year around.

Anonymous said...

12:55
i am not trying to beat up on high school and am chiming in. but heard about a game involving ECNL players a few years back where at least 5 yellow cards given out to one team and then a red after a girl's leg was broken. It's actually captured on a newspaper photo. My friend showed me.
That's girls not playing correctly and some refs ignoring it in the spirit of rivalry play and girls playing for their colors. So there's that.

Anonymous said...

1:28
she isn't the only one from her club team playing GDA and opting out of high school according to the article. So, many of them are getting the same message.

Anonymous said...

1:24
i have heard otherwise. i think it depends on where the kid is on the GDA roster. if you may not play every game, why not.

Anonymous said...

1:36 - horrible. some kids get away with more in high school soccer because of the horrible refs then they would in most club soccer matches.

now, youth club soccer may not have the best refs, either. However, horrible calls are one thing, allowing assaults another. obviously the refs let that game get way out of hand. i hope they were heavily fined and suspended.

Anonymous said...

Suspended? Those bozos should not be refereeing any games anymore. After the 2nd or 3rd yellow to the same team, that coach should have been talked to about his or her players. This is why high school games get a bad rap. Some thug coaches too.

Anonymous said...

yawn...
wow, high school soccer sucks and the refs suck.
never heard that before :)
Many GDA teams had/are having camp/preseason....how is going for your daughter?

Anonymous said...

Thanks for asking...
My daughter thought she was in shape then had "camp"!
Seems most are optimistic about the season according to her.

Anonymous said...

No "camp" just been training 4 days/ week for the last three weeks. Added specific speed and agility along with some strength training to improve the physical side as well. I am hearing no regrets about the high school thing. A comment was made among the kids about some of the press regarding high school versus DA. They said basically what's right for me might not be right for my friends.

Anonymous said...

If the parents could be as mature regarding the choices.....

Anonymous said...

agreed. as 8;10 at 11:10 pm noted, it's done. no speculation. the girls are playing where they are playing based on choices made. May they all have success in THEIR choices with our support.
have fun out there parents. it's all about the journey even for us.


Anonymous said...

Funny how the one changes as people start to see reality replacing speculation.

Anonymous said...

based on the back and forth above, some are still not seeing the reality. probably questioning moon landing still as well.

Anonymous said...

and the solar eclipse track confirms the earth is flat...

Anonymous said...

hahaha
https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=5649.0
as per the Flat Earth Society who believe in your statement - Let's disregard all of those pictures that show earth as a sphere, though.

thank goodness Chris Columbus didn't listen.

back to the spherical discussion we call soccer.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Funny how the one changes as people start to see reality replacing speculation.
August 14, 2017 at 11:28 AM

obviously meant to say TONE

Anonymous said...

This is U18 now. Another wrinkle quickly appeared. :)

Anonymous said...

Are the academy posters moving to the academy page? It's useful to collect and share intel on all the various groups, right?

Anonymous said...

Nope - they will remain just like the ECNL posters never left.

1. Brag for some.
2. Recruit for others (poo poo the comp)

Anonymous said...

Elite Clubs National League (ECNL)
The goal of the Elite Clubs National League (ECNL) is to change the landscape for elite female soccer players in the United States through innovative, player-centered programming and to enhance the overall experience by creating a better, more enjoyable, and more successful player, coach, and club development model.

Purpose of this YouthSoccer Talk (YST) page: To promote healthy discussion, feedback and opinions about the ECNL by participating families.
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2 comments:

Anonymous said...

Got it. There are now two U18 blogs for girls on this site. And multiples for others too. Adm will probably clean up. thanks all.

Anonymous said...

Confused by that last post.
Multiple U18 blogs?

Anonymous said...

If you are '00 you are in the right spot

Anonymous said...

There appear to be multiple Girls U18 blogs on this site. Wasn't sure which was the relevant spot as the other has only a few comments. But, didn't know if the conversations were moving to it. Thank you!

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Anonymous said...

Numbers seem to be improving at NWSL games. Maybe it's timing late in the summer so no conflicts. Nonetheless, good to see.

Anonymous said...

A surviving league, no doubt.

Anonymous said...

DA season starting Saturday more rosters are up.

http://www.ussoccerda.com/2017-girls-club-map

Anonymous said...

Nice
how do you play with 9 players?

Anonymous said...

I didn't see the rosters. Is their a hyperlink to them, specifically, or do you have to go through each team's individual website? t/y

Anonymous said...

Follow the link, choose your division, choose your team

Anonymous said...

I think there are like 28 kids on the U16/17 team so they will likely "fill in". The question is do they fill in with the weaker kids and concede the 18/19s to blow outs while keeping the 16/17s as competitive as possible or do they try and "develop" the top 01/02 on the older team?

Anonymous said...

I wouldn't want my younger daughter being the sacrificial lamb for the older team

Anonymous said...

So......will next year's DA team still be '01/'02, '03/04 etc

or will '01s play next year with the '00s?

Anonymous said...

00's (those not graduated; late calendar year kids) and 01's (U19/U18).

Anonymous said...

Any tournaments this weekend?

Anonymous said...

Meaningful game 10-0? And without their NT stud?

Anonymous said...

Seems like they are loaded with NYT caliber players. I guess that is what US Soccer envisioned.

Anonymous said...

I think if you know anything about USSF selection you would pause for thought. Fc Stars were loaded as well right? not so much now. I wonder why.

Anonymous said...

Because ECNL's influence is less than it was.

Anonymous said...

It's Ohio international now that's taken stars place as the hotbed of development for national quality players... except...
00 team bottom 16 in the ecnl
Doesn't qualify for post season even lowest flight
But look at this 3 kids to u18 camp and 2 of those to u19 china trip. Wow even with three national quality kids and the rest terrible should get to Chicago, no?
Tells me something's up and oh and it is...
Their coach is now listing u18wnt assistant on her bio
Imagine that...
I don't think PF has that kind of influence.
That kid is quality for sure, but better than a couple other age eligible on that team? Definitely subject to debate for those who have seen that team play. Just puts the whole selection process in question. Now with the. Ideas it would seem that decisions wouldn't be so reliant on limited information. But that assumes someone is taking the time to examine the tapes.

Anonymous said...

I would also say
My kids team has been snubbed for years despite being very successful. We are hoping that the video availability will elevate some in recognition. And no, mine isn't at the level

Anonymous said...

the process is very flawed. Im not sure that the GDA will do anything to make it any better. It may if the Technical Advisors are actually good, do their own homework and are willing to stick their necks out for what they see. Not sure that will happen in all cases.

It does surprise me how some YNT kids are less than dominant in ECNL play. The kid you mention is a nice player, but far from dominant and a few scissors/step overs does not make a player technical. Its interesting how her teammate that does all the tricks has also been to a few camps but not really stuck for any time. PF does have pull, more than you think.

Good luck to her, im sure it a great experience and its pertty clear that the FC Stars influence has waned a bit. Im really looking forward to seeing their U17s NTs play UP in the 18/19 GDA.

Anonymous said...

10-0 not so meaningful. No way to spin that other than "growing pains"
Looking at the box score
Tricky one and done with a hattrick
Super 99 brace
Doesn't mean anything against cones. Baltimore- Washington region will be uber diluted.
Looks like PAC competed with wash spirit. So maybe they are better than everyone thought. Next week will reveal their relative competitiveness. I think PF will win by 3 but not embarrass them.

Anonymous said...

same team played NYCFC pre season friendly. Both teams missing players. NYCFC more so . 2-1 game. PF had the better of it, but NYCFC capable of scoring at any time. I would not be crowning anyone yet. I dont think there is a huge gap in real performance terms on many of these teams. Limited subs changes the game

Anonymous said...

I think the point was 10-0 is not competitive so how is that game "meaningful" as per the ussf rhetoric.

Anonymous said...

its one game. Im sure there will be a few noncompetitive games. let me ask yout hi. In ECNL what happened when the game was 3-0 early.? Coach took out starters. Cant really do that now. To me very little has changed game wise, but a lot has changed for us training wise. Especially when the comparison is HS training and games vs DA training and games.

Anonymous said...

Nyfc is world class. They are a good team. There will be no competition between some of these start up newly named travel teams like VDA and established ecnl or usysa national teams. Already proven.

Anonymous said...

Just curious how do you know nyfc was missing "more" players. Besides it's often more important which were missing. The best player on the PF team is a 99 not one of the 00s from last year.

Anonymous said...

3:08 - as you noted both teams missing players, but NYSFC wasn't missing their YNT kid and many of their kids did show up after SAT's. And, NYSFC's YNT kid didn't score until reserves went in. You didn't see the product on Saturday. It was a machine and that was w/o another key player.

Anonymous said...

Sorry referencing the PF vs. NYCSC (not NYSSC; my bad) friendly. It was a nice scrimmage between very good teams.

Anonymous said...

4:15 like it or not, the combo of the 99's and 00's are fantastic. This is a group that hasn't played together as a team before from front to back ever.
Saturday was their first time due to other commitments and still they were missing a key 00 player. They put on a clinic.

Anonymous said...

530 not going to get into it. Ill just say that kid is a very dangerous player and leave it there. My kid has played with her for a while and you ignore her at your cost. I would be shocked if your coaches did not feel the same way.

Anonymous said...

Interesting results for both teams. Complete domination
8-0 nycsc over empire united
And 10-0 PF over VDA
Looks like big GD like there were in early years of ecnl will be the order of the day. This age it won't settle out. I looked at some key rosters and the weird area looks like Baltimore Washington where the YNT players stayed at Bethesda and McLean. A couple overrated kids at Washington Baltimore armour. One of whom at least will be tied up with monthly u17 ynt events.
Otherwise the GDA teams in the capital area are looking suspect.

The rest of the country especially the southwest is doing what the ussf wants. Best kids in total moving to gda.

Anonymous said...

827 Overrated? No way. ;) She is exactly what the GDA hopes to produce ;)

Anonymous said...

5;57 who said she wasn't a dangerous player? maybe that is what you thought was implied. it wasn't.

Anonymous said...

yup overrated. Can you say Summer Greene?

Anonymous said...

i mean well, she does a mean backflip.

Anonymous said...

I would expect a little more maturity from the posters at this level of playing.
Y'all need to let this season play out. the first couple years of GDA will be much growing pains and club building.
our daughters who get to play in their last or next to last year of youth career should enjoy the experience.
The younger ages will benefit the most if they stick it out, work for playing time.

Who has seen college coaches on the sidelines? This was part of the draw of the da. I understnad that they may not watch this age group much though...

Anonymous said...

Not the OP, but "NYSFC's YNT kid didn't score until reserves went in" sure sounds like it !

Anonymous said...

So noted. Will fix for future.

Anonymous said...

Yesterday, we were running interviews at the club for possible assistant coaches and technical staff..I saw this blog and realized I don't need any help, I can just come here!!! Big savings!!

Anonymous said...

Seek and ye shall find.

Anonymous said...

5:39 - happened to stay and watch that game. the fight was out of the opponent by end of 1st half.

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