Friday, January 5, 2018

U18 (2000) Girls Youth Soccer

This page is focused on Under 18 girls youth soccer, primarily in Region 1 and everyone is invited to post.

Teams face increased competition for the top players, (who are increasingly attending college showcases).

More teams consolidate and the best teams--academy soccer, club soccer and high school teams--battle to attract and retain the right player mix.

Stay tuned. This is bound to be good.

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Anonymous said...

5:58 you hit the nail on the head. How stupid the USSF is? We have the NCAA and instead of talking advantage of something we have that no other country has we do nothing.

Fall and Spring schedule for starters.

The NCAA should allow schools to create club teams and the tuition paid by parents at the younger ages should be subtracted from College tuition regardless if they make the team or not. It will no longer be a pay to play system since what ever you pay you get back when it matters the most. Let's use Rutgers as an example. from U9-U18 a player plays at the Rutgers SC they pay 2,000 per year for a total of 20,000 for the 10 years they are at the club. If they go to Rutgers they pay 20,000 less if they go to another school then that's on them.

Anonymous said...

9,700 at WakeMed for USWNT vs. S. Korea. How's that as far as attendance?
Also, did the commentators say that the S. Korea team was mostly youth without many, if any, caps? Why would USWNT agree to that?

Anonymous said...

12:01 8:11 here the Capacity is 10,000,approx 300 shy of a sellout, I would say not bad. It's a game that the girls completely dominated from start to finish. They did what they had to do. If the result was different we would have been slamming them.

Anonymous said...

You seem to have skin in the game. I am a supporter of them as well, however, playing weaker teams like Russia and this team of SKorean inexperienced players doesn't really give you much.
Why not play a tough team? Don't they want meaningful games? Or is it that maybe the other countries don't want to show their hands yet?

Anonymous said...

continuing with above - why not play England, FR or AU again and get a real idea.

Anonymous said...

there are no meaningful games in woso outside of the Olympics, Euros and the WC. The US marketing machine tries to hype up games for obvious reasons, but most countries are not going to spend $$ to get their teams together at odd times, often from all over the world, to fly to the USA and risk injury etc. They dont need to unless the USSF pay them a lot of $$ .

Most countries wil use these games as training , development and go from there.

The US overstate the importance of thsee games and play far too many internationals becasue its the only way the players stay relevant and repay the allocation $$. Its all marketing.

Anonymous said...

If you don't have some games i guess, people will loose interest. The men's team seem to have a lot less. I guess the results show that too, but it seems like WNT are always having friendlies and MNT are not.

I don't want to pay to see S.Korea "B" team and Russia play WNT. Why would they think they would get a good audience in New Orleans against a B team. The She Believes Cup teams were worth it. And, their follow-up tour too with Brazil and AU.

I would love to see an NWSL all star squad including the internationals v. WNT. That would be fun to watch. Obviously the allocated US players would play for US.

Anonymous said...

10-22 8:11 - interesting concept. not sure NCAA would allow or should allow although i found it amusing with your choice/example. some say that is happening there already.
anyway, growing players works professionally not for college and the amateur status needed to participate.

Anonymous said...

12:01 AM, 9,700 is a good number for the USWNT and for marketing US Soccer needs to continue to play at Wake Med or venues like Wake Med. The product isn't good, so give those that are into going to see the USWNT play a good experience. 9700 in a 60,000 or even a 23,000 seat stadium isn't good, but a 10,000 venue is a better fit.

Anonymous said...

There are WNT games coming up in early November vs. Canada; one in Vancouver and one here. hopefully these should be good games as many Canadian NT players are allocated to NWSL as well.
Let's see the numbers re attendance. It may be people don't want to spend to see "B" teams v WNT.

Anonymous said...

Years ago when my daughter was involved with the Union Jrs I asked the question Why aren't the Independence players involved with the girls side. The explanation was that the Union and MLS as a whole did not want to associate with the NWLS because the sustainability of a women's league was not proven. And based on the disolvement of the Independence it looks like they were correct. If you look at the landscape of sports when fan participation starts in High school you can see that Football followed by basketball are the 2 big draws for spectators. This continues through college and into the pros. As HS soccer moves into playoffs there is some additional interest but the people attending are close friends and relatives of the players. For the WNT there is a legacy of support and the AO bring some additional notoriety to games but the product and the attitude somewhat lack any allegiance to the fan base. I will say that there is more college womens soccer broadcast through the SEC and Big 10 networks but the on-site attendance (as is the men's side) is not too impressive. In the US soccer is a novelty somewhere between hockey and a host of other sports. There are enough fans for the men's game when they were playing meaningful games, but the fact that the Panama qualifier was on the BeIn network kinda tells you where it stands. And having women's soccer on a women's network kinda sours it a bit as a novelty act. Don't get me wrong, I love watching the game, but I grew up playing, I coached, and I had 2 kids play. I look forward to watching my daughter play in college but the culmination of that is watching her graduate.

Anonymous said...

with MLS not wanting to associate with NWSL teams and their predecessor league, don't you think that is why it dissolved? The NBA has adopted WNBA. I also think with MNT some are soured with their lack of wanting to support the hard work of their female counterparts with pay and playing facilities.

Look at ECNL a league specifically developed for girls. Now, boys are in it too. And from what I have been told, it caught fire pretty quickly on the boys' side. It's a matter of time before ECNL the girls side gets pushed aside for ECNL the boys side. Just my pov.

Anonymous said...

US Soccer is fine and the $$ generated at the club/travel level is what sustains the business. I also think the MLS model works based on growing in line with revenue generation. The fact that the MLS did not support the women’s league is that the revenue wasn’t there no matter the investment. At the time the Independence were playing their stadium was at West Chester University I think. There is this outcry for equality that I do not see as really equal, take the recent news about the High school girl who was not “allowed” to take home the first place trophy in the boys league for golf. Well, there is a girls league, compete there and be rewarded. Yes there is that notion that if girls compete against boys it is against stronger competition, and in a non-contact sport there really is no danger, but it blurs lines and cheapens the girls side. So in fact by trying to “Beat the Boys” it is actually pushing the girls game backwards. As far as women’s soccer vs men’s soccer, and fair pay, base it on revenue generation and see what the allotted players say when the salary across all teams is based on income and split evenly. I am sure the allotted player would not agree to that type of contract.

Anonymous said...

8:48 AM, BeIn has the TV rights to Central America. The US home games are on ESPN. I love BeIn, I think they show the best leagues in the world too.

Anonymous said...

@650 Tne canadian womens team will not be their A team. At least their 2 young WVU players are playing in the european club champions league and wont play. Buchanon is the better known one and her absence will impact the level of play very significantly.

Anonymous said...

How did ESPN, FOX, NBS or any other sports channel let that happen?
Oh yeah soccer is not a major player in the states and people still think MLS Cup is more important than CONCACAF Champions league (probably a bunch on this site). I would love for MLS play in Copa Lib but we can't even beat mexican clubs. So how do we attract better players and coaches to the MLS?

Yes this is all connected - more money means more money to go around maybe even to the NWSL from MLS success just like the NBA shares.

We never see the big picture and that shows in the style of play both our girls and gals play, we are easy to defend when we play top teams and we don't know how to break them down either when they pack it in.

Like I said before we have the NCAA as a developmental league and we don't explore options on using them. We can keep the players amateur reward them by paying for their education (yeah we do that know - but we can do it so much better).

PS in regards to revenue 1 Soccer club can bring in close to 300k per year just from tuition on the girls side and if they host a major tournament we are talking a million per year. You tell me the NWSL can't use that?

We are so unorganized by design, because so much money is made this way for a bunch of people that have nothing to do with advancing the sport

just my 2 cents

Anonymous said...

1103 they get away with it becasue parents cannot look past their own nose. Its so easy to divide an conquer. We do not demand excellence. We only care about what impacts our own. Nothing is going to change becasue the money is in status quo.

Anonymous said...

11:03 AM, college coaches are not very good. Most, the majority, are really bad! Women's college soccer is not very different than that of high school soccer. US Soccer knows the NCAA level is poor, that is why there is a DA. US Soccer would love to see top players move from the GDA right to the NWSL. Won’t happen often, but it is what US Soccer wants.

I don't think college sports should be used as a farm system in academia. I would like to see all college sports move to a pure amateur system, no athletic scholarships. Scholarships should be need based and academic. NFL football should have their own farm system and not use universities and our tax dollars. None of this will happen, but the NCAA is flawed in many ways. The NCAA shouldn’t be the pathway to professional athletics.

Anonymous said...

Someone posted previously changing the substitution rules in college to match GDA which are FIFA rules instead of ECNL rules. Don't you think that will change college soccer as coaches will have actually coach and think about matchups? Maybe it will divide teams into DI A and AA as they do in football.
And our tax dollars are going into the state schools more so than private universities.

Anonymous said...

11:03 here - ECNL rules? I think the ECNL copied the NCAA, no?


1:20 I agree 100%.

2:42 Why do away with Athletic Scholarships? NCAA shouldn’t be the pathway to professional athletics but it should be a pathaway to professional bankers, lawyers, etc? I don't believe we should label our kids. The NCAA should provide the education like they do, what the kids do with it is on them. Is the coaching bad or are scholarships being given to the wrong kids who can't adopt to play real soccer at the speed needed?

The USSF thinks the college soccer is bad? Maybe they should look in the mirror.

again just my 2 cents

Anonymous said...

3:57 PM, The coaching is bad. Women's soccer is also bad. The poster is correct, NCAA is the pathway for real pro sports. The owners get a free farm system. It doesn't work like that around the rest of the world. The 25 or so universities that make money off of football and basketball, they control the NCAA, so you won't be seeing changes anytime soon.

Why should USSF care about college soccer???

Anonymous said...

11:03 - 3:57 here. yes, NCAA rules that ECNL adopted. It works in ECNL because it's the development/recruiting tool for college. However once in college, the GDA/FIFA rules should govern. It will improve the product; it should improve the product.
just my 2 cents.

And what exactly does USSF care about?

Anonymous said...

College coaches don’t want FIFA rules. Teams with the greatest depth will always have success at the college level. Top D-I teams that use a bench throughout the season survive, have health, and succeed in December. Coaches don’t want the limitations for numerous reasons. Coaches want to win with the most talent available, and athletic directors along with college presidents want happy athletes that will give back to the university because they had a good athletic experience. Athletes and fraternity members are the most generous in giving back to their alma mater. Women’s college soccer fits better with ECNL rules. More playing opportunities, happier athletes. Also, soccer playing rules for D-I are the same as D-III. How many D-III programs want FIFA rules?

US Soccer wants the GDA, not college soccer as a means of developing players, and that makes sense. People on here fail to understand that the DA established for boys was never about college. College is seen as a failure for boys that don’t advance beyond the DA. Male DA programs have always had the goal of developing pro players. The US national program benefits from those pro players, whether they are playing in the MLS or in Europe. That is the agenda. It has never been anything other than that and it is what they want from the girls too.

It’s been over ten years and men’s college soccer hasn’t adjusted to the DA and the DA has no plans on adjusting to college soccer. The same will hold true for the women’s soccer. Two different types of soccer with different goals.

Anonymous said...

851 I dont understand why people mention the BDA when talking Girls. Boys soccer is a global game with thousands potential jobs. Girls not so much. The is some incentive for clubs to develop their own players. It reduces labor costs initially and i a business in itself. Bo one has any incentive to develop female players. They dont have the rights to said players and they cannot put them in their teams or sell them outside the draft, so lets not compare the academies.

College soccer is a product of the rules and the players . the reason womens College soccer is not great is simple, we dont produce enough high quality players from the system we have. The few colleges that can consistently recruit the verry best player play good soccer. The one you should take issue with is UNC and Dorrance- a man who has had access to the best players and continued to play the worst rule abusing soccer out there. I think he is largely responsible for the standards we see to day. He elevated certain parts of the game , but not on the field..

College will continue to be the proving grounds for the majority of pro players on the womens side and as such the USSF certainly do care. All the GDA is trying to do is give those players a better foundation to start with. GDA is not going to be the pro pathway because the $$ just are not there and the system is not set up to change that.

Anonymous said...

8:06 - how so re Dorrance? this is an interesting post. t/y

Anonymous said...

Any confirmation on the PDA loss to FC VA? And score? just wondering if it's a rumor since nothing has been reported?

Anonymous said...

no rumor. pda lost to fc va 0-2

Anonymous said...

exciting time of the year; college conference playoffs going on.

Anonymous said...

Interesting RE PDA. parity at the top of the table big drop off and then parity in the middle and then smaller drop off and parity at the bottom. How will the ECNL tables look? I am guessing similarly. McLean, matchfit and Bethesda at the top? IF CFC is anywhere near the top then it will be obvious that the quality is way down. Continental won some interesting games last year like PF. So not sure that there is a huge drop if they go up.

Anonymous said...

PDA losing like that and Fusion winning against FCVA tells me that the kids everyone said didn't matter missing at PF really did hurt them assuming they were full roster against FC VA. Or maybe its just the ups and downs of teenaged soccer.

Anonymous said...

as always, its the latter. The assumption that every game these kids are going to play to form is ludicrous.

Anonymous said...

11:29
checked the us soccer scoreboard. looks like the penn fusion missing kids from pda game played this weekend in their win - 5-0. so not injured. that's good. their ynt kids that played pda not rostered. maybe still in camp.

Anonymous said...

12:12
i don't agree. those missing kids played in both PF wins against fc va. it wasn't one game it was two wins. so there is an argument to be had that they would have made a difference. i am sure both teams are looking forward to a rematch.

Anonymous said...

Well I know that team and the kids missing were the heart of the defense for sure. Not sure where they play this year on the DA team but last year in the ECNL I think the GK, both starting CB and a holding midfielder. May explain the 3 goals against. Not sure why the Nattie's didn't score. They are both attacking powerhouses. May be as alluded to earlier simply an off game. If PDA takes it to them again it's more than that. Some teams just don't match up as expected.

Anonymous said...

The PF girl going to UNC is a good player and the other girl shouldn't in a national pool. Another example of our YNT system failing. Must say, Sky Blue and PF are not that good and this age group in general is poor. I thought it might be because many good players didn't go forward with the GDA, but I think it just has to do with this age group being less than average.

Anonymous said...

1:18 so says a nobody.

Anonymous said...

Do you mean poor across the US or just in the NE?

Anonymous said...

hahaha love those that speak in absolutes because they are the authority.
Many good players DID go forward in GDA; SOME did not.

Anonymous said...

Are we going to rehash this all over again?

118 your point re YNT pool is not clear. I think we all approach this totally wrong. the question should be how many elite players are we producing in the NE. What the teams do is irrelevant to me, I just want to see better players emerging from our area. Instead the focus seems to be on who beat who last week. In the past when other teams with much less talented rosters have had YNT players away for long stretches, the comments have not reflected that.

Apart from a GK, PDA rarely suffer from this and PF have only recently started to.

Why?

Anonymous said...

yes, i have yet to see a team that is high level every player. didn't see that in ECNL or NL either. the good players in all the leagues are known and are in the US Soccer database. Average ones are not.

Anonymous said...

1:52 not sure what you mean? the argument has always been deep rosters vs not so deep. ECNL play favors deep rosters with multiple/unlimited substutions for fresh legs; GDA doesn't. Most YNT kids or YNT caliber kids are playing GDA and as above poster said, SOME are not.

Anonymous said...

@1:52 yes i don't get your comments either. no one is talking about teams suffering with YNT kids away. PF and PDA had YNT kids in both their losses.

Anonymous said...

Both PF national players are outstanding. Obvious in their inclusion to multiple camps. However the team doesn't appear to rely on them. Sometimes national players are disruptive to the team's flow and chemistry, saw this last year with a player on my 99 player's ECNL team, just because they are not a constant at training or games. If they are gone to camps as is the case with PF this fall I would not be surprised if these players are less than engaged with their "secondary" teams. My guess is that they are focused on the NT. Are these players "elite" how many 'elite players are there in this age group in region 1? none, 1, 3, 5?

in the 99/00 pre college age group I think I know about 8 I would say are significantly above the rest, have rare qualities, and make a big difference in the result of the games.

Anonymous said...

don't you people have jobs? no wait, soccer experts, right? hahaha

Anonymous said...

2:07 i don't think that is true in particular with PF kids. and i agree, both are very good players.
their call ups are due to their performances in their "secondary" teams. some kids that were at prior camps left off this list.

Anonymous said...

i think my point is very clear. Why do we not produce more YNT caliber players? And If PF and PDA are so good, then why over the last 2 years or so have these teams produced so few?

I am far more interested in the production of elite players than I am who beat who.

My other point was that other teams have suffered from losing YNT players and it was rarely, if ever, brought up for discussion here as to the impact it had on the team. This seems to be a recent addition correlated to PF getting a few players back in camps after a decent hiatus.

207 The reason they are not missed on these teams from a results pov is that they are relatively deep AND the other teams for the most part are not. If they were playing teams like Real Colorado. Solar or Slammers- trust me , they would absolutely be relying on them.

The impact of taking a NT caliber player from say Albertson or NYCFC is going to be far bigger than taking the same from PDA or PF. The smaller teams dont have the depth to handle it, even vs the other smaller teams. \\As far as PF goes, to me the biggest diff between them and last yr ECNL is adding a big attacking presence who will impact the time and space ALL the other players get. Very few of these kids are evaluated in a vaccum.

5 max for me. I may even be stretching it at 5. If you say rare qualities, then I may cut it to 3

Anonymous said...

can't get around some call ups are still political. instead of ecnl board politics, it's us soccer. they need to get people that don't have ties to various clubs to give it more legitimacy.

Anonymous said...

219 if you think that is how the YNTs work then I cant help you. PF have several good players, but why do PDA have so few kids in these camps? Once you move away from the USSF chosen few, its all about connections and relationships.

Stars had several players in camps. then poof , they all disappeared. Why ? Did the PF players suddenly surpass all of them? Of course not.

Im looking forward to some of these kids in College. I think you will see the impact of playing on deep teams in our region vs being a real difference maker on the national stage,

Anonymous said...

2:25 - i'm 2:29. i think that is part of reason. politics. it's still a who knows who think for some picks.

Anonymous said...

229 I disagree. You will not find people without relationships. You need to add people who are honest, willing to be held accountable, and in it for the right reasons. So many of these younger coaches are trying to build reputations by hitching the wagon to the progress of specific players. Its pretty obvious.

Anonymous said...

what are you talking about? one PF gal is top of the entire league in goals scored in GDA and the other came back and scored 4 in one game. maybe some pda kids and others that have coaches on ecnl board were just that political picks.

Anonymous said...

1:54 PM

I think you nailed the problem. The USSF should have flushed their databases and started with fresh eyes across all ages. The fact that girls are in the DB is a failing/lazy factor of why the best are not getting to the next level. For those of you who believe the YNT system works is because your daughter is in the YNT system and may have been for a few cycles, but there are plenty of girls (probably yours included) that should have been rotated out. Case in point, my daughter, a GK, had the opportunity to train for a day with Tony Dicicco. It was a NSCAA event and she was invited with her club team to demo. After the first round of drills I saw Tony talk to her and thought nothing of it, he then went over to her again after the next drill and motioned for someone else to come over. I was curious. After the event while I was standing with her he walked over with the other coach introduced himself and the other coach asked if my daughter had attended any YNT camps. When we said no he said "Well she should have been in". asked the other coach to get our information and send an invite. Guess what, the invite never came. Apparently the current regional coach already had a relationship with the girls on the roster and did not want to upset the chemistry.

Anonymous said...

2:36 is it too hard for some to comprehend that other kids can improve over the prior golden ones? and maybe should have been or should be called out but for the encl coaches influence? didn't stars run the PDP last year? didn't PDA run one as well. weren't kids from teams that opted out of ECNL left out? you don't even need a ruler to draw those lines.

Anonymous said...

2:41 please, my kid is a keeper too and had the same experience. and she went head to head with kids on the YNT and WNT team at various events. and it was pretty obvious even by the US coach running the event. it's all political.

Anonymous said...

236 Its all relative. I dont watch her, but to look at goals can be very misleading. Is a player better becasue they bang in 4 vs a weak team than a kid on a weak team who battles to score 2 with little service vs a good team? I dont know the answer, but its a lot more than goals scored.

Anonymous said...

I agree. but, she had 2 vs. FC VA in first game and 1 in second. They are a very good team as pda will attest.

Anonymous said...

its not ALL political, but when you are talking U18s there is a lot of politics. the "better " ones are all in the u20 pool vying for WC spots/attention. Once you are talking about kids of similar abilities, it gets political.

Anonymous said...

woops sorry, that other ynt. but other very good ynt (who was not there for 1st FC VA game) did have 1 vs. FC VA, too. as well as banging in 4 vs another.

Anonymous said...

257 . so you think that = YNT call up? I dont think it necessarily does and Im not saying it in this case. I honestly dont know her well enough to say. I will say that the little I do know is she has played at a similar level for some time in the ECNL and was not getting call ups right ? Like I said, very few are evaluated in a vacuum. Im sure I can find impressive scoring feats from kids who are not called in if I tried,

lets relax a bit on FC VA - Solar, Slammers, PDA, Real Colorado and many other teams ECNL teams were far better. Its like saying NYCFC are a good team becasue they have done well in the GDA ( they are an average side at best) . FC VA are a good strong organized team, no more. I would expect PDA to beat them at full strength. Its easy to forget that PDA are nowhere near at their max, player wise and correct me if Im wrong, but they shut out PF and their high powered offense.

Anonymous said...

2;58 - i'm 2:52 - okay, it's mostly political. and why should some get the nod over others just because their club coach has an "in"? why not invite several?

Anonymous said...

Scoring goals against weak teams means nothing. The real value of a player is determined against the best competition. Which players excelled in the champions league? Which team won the ECNL championship? Those are the real quality players and teams. I agree a great player may not rack up stats on a weak team. However she will be immediately apparent as a special player in her own right. How many are they? On a great team a high scoring player may benefit from outstanding service. The USSF does not appear to value midfield suppliers in not reporting assists and total points.

Anonymous said...

3:05 i'm not saying that; i'm saying they aren't dialing it in with GDA as some alleged.

Anonymous said...

3:05 so the argument is let's wait for the waiver kids? here's the problem, the game was saturday. it was about who showed for THAT game.
just like when they beat pf (who had missing players as well for it's game against pda), it was about who showed for that game. So one's a good win and the other an excusable loss? please.

Anonymous said...

A team of NCAA All stars would probably beat the USWNT if provided sufficient training. Just like a fresh group of U18 Players drawn from club teams would beat the Current U18 USNT. What matters is what we would do internationally. The top PDA player vs the top PF player is not the question, it's what they would do together. Just like all of these ID2 and YNT camps and BS. We are not looking to build teams that win we are identifying players. PDA playing PF should be a good game. It would be nice for all of you who have more than a rooting interest if every girl selected for the team was actually playing. It looks like there are a few private school girls from PF who are still not rostered but I don't think they are the top players everyone here is talking about. And if players are missing their DA games for YNT events then that is poor planning by the DA. And players have bad games, the conditions are not optimal yada yada yada. PF parents are already thinking of those plus more excuses and PDA parents are hoping they won't need excuses, and vice versa. I am actually beginning to think that ESPN will soon have a 1/2 hour GDA show hosted by Abby Wambach and Hope Solo.

Anonymous said...

311 So how do you account for the great player on a weak team? Playing well and scoring consistently when you are the focus of every team you play week in week out is pretty hard. Making the CL etc are great team achievement s, but I dont think it say any more about a player or necessarily reflects poorly on those who dont.

Anonymous said...

319 I think you are mistaking me for someone who cares about the results.

Anonymous said...

321 you are miles off base. Its not poor planning . the GDA EXISTS for the YNT. Its about individual development not team results. In theory a Club that loses a bunch of reg season games becasue its best player is way at camp is winning, not losing.

Anonymous said...

3:05 - PDA beat PF without key players who are not on waivers but were not rostered for that game. Key players that have helped their "high powered offense" already as the scores have demonstrated in games where those missing kids have played already vs the same conference teams.

But now PDA looses with the same team that played with vs. PF playing a team that PF beat, twice, but now the excuse is our waiver kids will make a difference. hilarious.

Anonymous said...

These are interesting;
https://thecube.com/event/sky-blue-pda-u18-u19-vs-penn-fusion-s-a-u18-u19-753162
https://thecube.com/event/fc-virginia-u18-u19-vs-sky-blue-pda-u18-u19-756741
Thanks Eric
Pick out the national camp kids

Anonymous said...

3:21 - i don't see PF whining. they won with kids at ynt camp.
PDA didn't have any ynt camp kids this time. They lost and someone posted that their waiver kids would make a difference.
i know you need breadcrumbs dropped sometimes to follow the trails.

Anonymous said...

None of the PF missing kids at the PDA were really attacking players. The national kids just had an off game and the missing defensive players did them in. Simple

Anonymous said...

329 you are way off base. I dont think anyone is making any excuses for the game. it is being used in the context of player evaluation. Someone brought up the goals vs FC VA as evidence of how good PF were at scoring AND added a jab at PDA. The balance was simply redressed. PDA shut out PF correct? The thing I find amusing is the sudden feeling the PF are full of elite players. Same way FC Stars were full of the same right? No one has answered the simple question as to why GK aside, PDA has none.

My original comment still stands. we are looking at this all wrong. The majority are still stuck in the who won mindset. I want to see great players going on to great things. I dont care who wins these games. It seems USSF dont either judging by the players from out area who have represented the US at this age group in the last 18 months or so.

Anonymous said...

338 an honest evaluation. Its really not that hard. Bravo !!

Anonymous said...

3:30 seriously? how are they comparable? the tape of the PF team is missing key players that play with them NOW, played this weekend in the 5-0 win. Not on waivers.

Anonymous said...

3:38
i wouldn't go by last 18 months/2 yrs. ECNL board of directors influence there. some of these kids were only new to ECNL then.

Anonymous said...

347 you know FCV and VDA are not the same right ? And you know that PDA are far better than VDA right ? the 5-0 this weekend is largely irrelevant for comparative purposes.

Anonymous said...

351 so what do you want to go by ? you have no idea what influences exist now. There wer kids getting selected from smaller Clubs - PDA are on the board and they had next to none. How do you explain that ?

Anonymous said...

Well there are many points to be made regarding the videos. One would be an evaluation of the YNT players currently on PF since they played in that game. Are they immediately recognizable as superior to the rest? No one said "compare" the two games. That said, I would like to be able to compare a video of the two FCVA games to see more of an apples to apples with the missing kids. But apples to apples will be November 11 if there isn't another YNT camp. However it would be fascinating if the PF team actually fares better without their stars. Being one who cheers the underdog, I hope they do.
338 then I guess we can't say any of these u18 aged players are anything now since we can only judge them on their future impact -right?

Anonymous said...

3:47 if i can chime in:

PDA played VD - 1-0 (pda win)
PF (with missing players from PDA game) played them twice 10-0 and 5-0 (ynt players missing) - both PF wins.

PDA played FC VA twice - PDA 1-0 win; PDA 2-0 loss;
PF (with missing players from PDA game) played them twice 3-2 (one YNT not there) and 3-0. Both PF wins.

PDA played PF (missing key players) - 3-0 (PDA win).

You can surmise that the PF missing players when they played PDA would have made/should have made a difference. We'll see. They play each other again very soon.

Put a pin in it until then.

Anonymous said...

Hey 3:51 - check out 3:59.

PDA played VDA to a 1-0 game.
PF played them twice - 10-0 and 5-0. (14 goals more)
PF kids missing from the PDA game played in both of the VDA games.




Anonymous said...

Well I would point out that PDA only beat VDA 1-0. PF beat VDA the first time with their YNT players 10-0 but it doesn't look like VDA has been blown out like that since their first game. I suspect that score was an anomaly. Of note PF beat VDA without its YNT players by a much larger margin than any other team has. But they havent played FCVA. One thing i noted while looking at these scores is the schedule is really odd. Some teams have played each other twice while others have yet to meet. Some play each other 3 times in the year and others once. No idea what the rules are here.

Anonymous said...

4;04
which team hasn't played FC VA? VDA?

Anonymous said...

yeah VDA hasn't played FCVA. But PF beat them 5-0 without their YNT players. That's a bigger goal differential than any other team has put up on them. Both of PF YNT players are attacking players from the stat page. Are they just scoring goals against weak teams or with support of the other unsung players behind them? They don't look so special in the video actually. Yes could be an off game. Until PF publishes its videos we can't tell really what their quality is beyond this one glimpse. If the top scorers are tapping in a bunch of goals it would make sense that they are on an island if their support system is gone from a game. Sounds to me like against PDA PF was missing the foundation and that disallowed the embellishments to shine. That said I know the PDA team well. There are kids on that team that are more impactful than YNT players in Camps this year. Not necessarily the PF ones but in general.

Anonymous said...

What do you mean? The videos of the FC VA team vs. PF? interesting. you probably need club approval for it, both clubs? Why doesn't US Soccer do this?

Anonymous said...

3:11 none of the stats for any league show value for all the positions. yes, the us soccer stats don't count assists at least on what we see, or saves, corners, shots taken, all of it.

Anonymous said...

Conclusions from common opponents are as dumb as it gets. They played. One team won. The other made excuses. The most telling feature is USSF seem willing to select kids who on paper are beating up poor teams and not doing same vs equivalent ones.

Anonymous said...

2;25 several factors going on from what i can see. big attacking player add. soft roster spots either not there or are hidden by stronger players that are much better to cover for weaknesses. i see this with a few teams.

Anonymous said...

4:38 - both teams have opportunity to beat up teams, no? one is and one isn't.

Anonymous said...

427 PDA makes its GDA game videos available to the public. PF does not

Anonymous said...

4:54 - they only make some available. don't see the CASL loss or the Ohio Premier loss.

Anonymous said...

4:54
is that different from other teams? i don't see tape from anyone other teams or clubs than what someone named Eric offered for PDA. Do fc va, stars, breakers, nysfc, courage, tophat, others make their game tapes public?

Anonymous said...

5:00
do other gda teams have access to all of the gda team games? i know we only see our team vs opponent and have access to it.
i don't agree that any of them should be public unless us soccer approves and the teams. that's part of our gda fees. we use them for training purposes.

Anonymous said...

3:21 i concur with 3:29. us soccer could care less. they have scheduled camps during ECNL championship events.

wasn't that a hot topic for a bit when kids were at YNT camps getting ready for World Cups (which went so well) and were not at the nationals for Real CO when PDA played them for the ECNL championships?
Maybe ECNL complained and US soccer said, well then we'll create a new league to compete with you. who knows?

Anonymous said...

4:38 that's kind of obnoxious. "on paper"? well i guess scores are made up?
and "beating up poor teams"? not cool. i have yet to see a poor team; some not as strong as others, but none is poor.

Anonymous said...

438 - what are you implying that vda isn't good? vda is much improved (as the pda 1-0 score denotes). don't be so dismissive of these teams. they are in constant development and getting better each week.

Anonymous said...

So then a 5-0 score is a pretty great result without the ynt studs.

Anonymous said...

4:56 they were talking about PDA/GDA tapes being available not PDA ECNL tapes; although those you reference as far as their losses from ECNL may be available too.

Anonymous said...

3:38 - what was the added jab against pda? I read it that pda would attest that fc va is a very good team. certainly they challenged pda both times they met, right? i don't see that as a jab. i see it as throwing an bone to both teams for good competitive play.

Anonymous said...

interesting comments.

3:05 pm 10/30 - kind of interesting that you deemed fc va a "good, strong and organized team, no more". but then get into pda would have beaten them at full strength (with their waiver kids). Good, strong and organized is more than half the battle on the field, no?

Then, a jab at pf that didn't pda shut them out. pf was missing key kids not rostered that day it seems.

As someone keenly noted:
-pda beats a pf team missing key kids, it's a good win.
-pda gets beat (shut out) by fc va and it's an excusable loss.

gotta love that kool-aide being served in nj.

Anonymous said...

Really interesting watching some of the games linked up here. I saw a technically solid PDA team pass through PFs heart because their YNT kids were basically cherry picking and not contributing to the defensive press or shape. It is clear how they rack up goals against weak teams. Their PF teammates are playing "Get the ball to the Italians!" tactics.

The FC VA were as previously stated more organized and shut down the PDA game effectively.

Anonymous said...

745 Its a huge part of the battle if your focus is winning games in the GDA or ECNL ..yes. I dont think that is the primary goal for most teams. They dont have the numbers or the depth to do so. I look at this whole process as an individual training environment, with the "score" being how many kids does a Club advance to play at the next level where the games actually count a bit more.

I have evaluated it that was for a long time. if a coach say to a player- man mark that kid and if you get the ball in our defensive third just kick it upfield and we will reset. Thats effective, becasue very few teams can retain the ball well enough to turn the possession into goals,. Is that advancing the player? probably not. Or saying , let kick it long over the top all game for our fast fwd to chase. Is that advancement?

You can coach a fairly average group of individuals to be a very effective team if you put the time and the effort into that becasue talent is spread very thin. At the bigger Clubs you have enough depth and fear of replacement that you can probably get kids into play your way. At the smaller club with local competition, its not so easy to do.

As to the rest, I still think its being taken out of context becasue PDA has had 7 or so kids missing all year. They had kids missing when the beat PF, the same as PF did. As another poster noted, PF did have YNT kids on the field that day and failed to score. Point is none of these results mean much to anyone outside those two teams and they certainly are not indicative of anything on an individual level.

i dont think a player is suddenly better just becasue they get invited to a NT camp and I think there are talented players who for one reason or another dont ever get invited.

Anonymous said...

9:31 okay. being good, strong and organized means kick and fetch because the ball gets kicked up the field or cleared up the field. ridiculous. it's called direct. and, it is very effective when mixed in with possession play. all leagues including professional men's use it, too.

i don't want to belabor this because i don't like either club, frankly, but your comparison is not the same at all.
pda was missing kids vs fc va that hadn't played yet - their waiver kids;
and it doesn't appear those missing kids played fc va 1st time those two teams met without them as well? but win didn't miss them; loss, well, they were missed.
pf was missing top level kids, including gk and midfielder/scorer, that not only have played but have directly contributed to their success, now. not the same.

yep, kool-aide.

Anonymous said...

spirit md played spirit va this past weekend. scores not posted yet. were they cancelled? anyone know. who is in charge of posting?

Anonymous said...

1254 This is not exactly tactics central. I gave a simple EXAMPLE to illustrate a point. Why am I not surprised that it was taken in the most literal and clearly unintended way. Silly me.

A better way to put it would have been, getting a team to play in any disciplined style needs to have 2 things. Players capable of executing it and consequences when they dont. Most teams dont have that at Club level now that the pool of players is spread so thin. Its exacerbated at this age as kids have many conflicts and its even harder to get your 18 players together on game day.

Anonymous said...

I have been trying to figure out the arguments. Is it that we are not producing players for the next level, that certain teams send more players to the next level, we don't have good selection and training or is it all about my daughter is better than your daughter.
Argument 1, we are producing enough good players, but if it's not our daughter we don't agree with the selection.
Argument 2, we do not have unbiased selection and we do not have consistent training.
Argument 3, Yes certain teams do tend to send more players to the next level, some on merit and some on bias
Argument 4, Yes my daughter is better than yours.

Anonymous said...

There are only 2 discussions . the main one seems to be PF vs PDA. The secondary discussion was not team specific at all. you seem to be trying to take it back to the level we were trying to avoid, s personal one. Why are we not producing more YNT caliber players from the NE region. In this age group, PDA do not have an outfield player who has been consistently in recent camps. Seems hard to believe given all the TEAM positives.

Anonymous said...

i think the pda and pf discussions have ended. it was pda and fcva. but now it is pda has been wronged because of lack of call-ups? am i correct?

Anonymous said...

Two of the three recent national kids have unusual characteristics that distinguish them. One is very big strong and fast with above average skills. The other is ltrack speed fast. The third is technically sound but not spectacularly gifted. She is small and lacks break away speed. She looks and plays very similarly to several players on pda who could also have gotten the nod just as easily if not more so. Not anything really distinguishing above many others. So what do the scouts see?

Well I don't see any political advantage to PF over PDA. So no idea there. Obvious weird situation with a McLean employee serving as the Atlantic GDA highest level scout and technical director. Can you say Heinrich is full of it? Obviously with the kids from McLean suddenly surfacing with the director announcement they are still "scouting" from the ecnl. Oh and the internationals who couldn't even make the Chicago bottom level? 4 national quality players. Suuuuure. And where are all the new kids the GDA was supposed to uncover? Not. FC stars uh huh... and onward that's just the top of the iceberg.

Anonymous said...

it is not obvious what the YNT staff are looking for. they will take kids to Camps and not give them a real chance to show what they can do. Lots of buzz words and tactical stuff, but at times that is overemphasized at the expense of who can actually go out on the field in a game, under pressure and actually perform. There are too many good practicers selected. Kids who know the drills, feel comfortable in that environment and are secure in the knowledge that they will be picked. You see ti as soon as they hit College you wonder how some of them ever got so many caps. Look at PSU. Several red shirted for the U20 WC and this year where are they? Underwhelmed so far, but loaded with YNT players. Coached by an ex staff member as well.

I get the tactical part of it, but part 1 is to establish who can actually PLAY. then go from there. We are selecting to many kids based on drills and Beep tests.

Anonymous said...

We are too often not picking the "ballers" into the YNT programs those are the kids who truly love the game, watch it religiously, study the play of their "hero" players and emulate it to the best of their abilities. We instead are picking the rule follower practice players. We seem to think that the ones who follow the directions best are the best choices when we should be looking for those who think outside the box to solve the infinite problems a game presents.

Anonymous said...

doesnt' that happen with club as well? they pick the kids that do well in drills, but come game time can't transfer the skills or iq.
probably explains the epic fails at WC's with YNT.

Anonymous said...

No I don't think so. Most of tryouts is game evaluation. Kids recruited outside of tryouts to clubs are so recruited because of their game performance. There is no way for a club to judge their training performance.

Anonymous said...

Clearly the WC performance should have been a reflection on tthe coaches ability to choose players and coach them. They were not fired they were promoted.

Anonymous said...

and they are essentially still electing the same players and if not them , then the same type. Problem is they view every camp as incremental time put into a player. so if you have been to 10 camps, they are reluctant to drop you. you are past the point of no return. The job of the USSF is not to develop players. Its to find them. I would favor fewer camps and trips abroad and that money devoted to more scouting. better scouting. Higher camp turnover, more time between camps to allow kids to work on the things they are told they need to improve.

It wont happen, becasue those in charge like it this way. Its prestigious for them and they are not held accountable.

This is not about who is selected, its about the process. Probably the wrong place to say this but Ill say it anyway. I bet the FC Stars kids who are not being selected do not know why. I bet the PF kids have no idea why all of a sudden they are back in favor either. If its club form, then why are the Internationals kids selected? And not just selected, but starting the majority of games, even intra squad. Yes there should be competitive games to evaluate, but to evaluate EVERYBODY. Its self fulfilling that kids who have been in the system for 18m probably know HOW the coach wants to play as opposed to a kid who has not been in camp for a year. Its an even bigger advantage if your CLUB coach is there as you are probably familiar with what they want and how they evaluate.

The system should NOT be about validating what a coach already thinks. Its should be about finding the players s that can be used in a variety of ways to contribute to success. Not picking the kids who know the drills and the game plan. Especially when at youth level, that plan has led to some pretty poor soccer and results. Even the 20s who got to the semis, played some truly dire soccer.

Hate to say it, but we just dont get it. GDA is not going to change this as long as it has the same people in charge.

Anonymous said...

232
what do you mean? i have never seen a club coach come watch a kid during games before bringing them aboard. it's try-outs with drills and smalled sided games and maybe word of mouth from kids on the team.

Anonymous said...

Most of the "poaching" comes when a coach sees a kid playing for another team against his own. He then recruits her to his own club

Anonymous said...

Tryouts are usually small sided game based. Kids on the ball alot never seen a tryout include drills other than possession or a rondo to warm up

Anonymous said...

It's the mind game of US Soccer. They play it with the senior teams as well, I've heard. why do you think they are heading overseas? This is not a US sport. The true US sports have better farm systems. It's a foreign sport that US has adopted. The academy systems overseas are much better.

Anonymous said...

431 of course poaching does. we aren't talking poaching. we are talking about kids in various settings being judged and getting picked based on nailing drills instead of games play. kids on my daughter's team are wonderful in practice. they feel comfortable. in game setting when it counts, they can't figure it out. that is what is happening in us soccer, too. and game time is when it really matters.

Anonymous said...

Who does drills for tryouts? If i took one of mine to a tryout and they were doing passing drills to select players we'd be gone in a second

Anonymous said...

@4:32 agreed. and how does that work? they pick kids that are good going around cones and in small sided games can make a correct run. it's a lot easier to make a correct run in a small sided game then a big field. it's also easier to know your opponent/teammates "tell" which you may not know in a game.

Anonymous said...

drills are more than just passing. but you see alot about a passing drill; how they hit the ball; how they control the ball; if they look up or not; if they can pass it on the ground with pace; if they use both feet, etc. you can tell alot in what you deem as just a passing drill.
and believe it or not, i see kids that can't do all of the above on good teams.

Anonymous said...

http://www.espnfc.com/united-states/story/3254399/sunil-gulatis-second-in-command-will-run-for-us-soccer-president

as a business guy, this guy wants to separate the business side from the soccer side. doesn't think top should be involved in picking coaches.
is this failure at just the top, though?

Anonymous said...

7:17 PM
Tryouts are different for different levels and teams. The tryout for a u15 up club team should be a progression from a quick passing warm-up all the way to full sided matches. The evaluators should be current team coach as well as objective observers. While the ultimate evaluation is in the full sided game there are players who may not get involved due to the nature of a tryout and the goal of the players to win a spot, not win the game. For an academy tryout which leads to regional selection, tryouts are practices and games evaluated by competent scouts (yes this is theory). Selection to the next level ends with the invite, and training begins for at least a full 1 year cycle. The problem is the money. If at the end of the DA season you have your 30 players that you are going to train and groom for the specific age group, you lose the revenue generation of "Tryouts" for at least a year. A perfect scenario is to have the selected 30 train as a team for a year, playing against the rest of the DA, put them in residency, educate them, isn't that what the Euros do?? If over the course of the season the Super team coach see's players on other teams out perform the selected kids, invite them and cut the kid at the bottom of the list. Harsh yes but effective.

Anonymous said...

10/31 829pm ...The internal bias is pretty shocking. They add new coaches and all of a sudden players re- merge form the shadows. Internationals and McL seem to have replaced Stars. Its pretty hard to take it seriously. The teams are basically the core group, and the local Club favorites of whomever is on staff.

Anonymous said...

McLean is the best 99/00 team on the East Coast in the age group. McLean also has a history of player development. What are you saying?

Eric Harris said...


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Anonymous said...

And where were their players in the YNT programming BEFORE their technical director or whatever employed position she is was named the Atlanic regional technical director for the DA?

If they were YNT quality shouldn't they have been included before their political connection appeared?

Anonymous said...

McLean has had national level players for over 25 plus years. Big difference is the players start at the club when they are U8. Not like clubs where they come from other places and then the new club takes credit. That club has never developed a quality YNT player. McLean is the better club always has been always will be and have the better teams right now too.

Anonymous said...

1241/122 I agree with both of you. Thats the point. Whomever is calling the shots does not really look beyond there own front door. This is how selection seems to work for the U18 YNT

1. lets invite the core kids we have invited for the last X years. The kids who were at the WC etc. Does not really matter if they are in season or out. Playing well or poorly. we HAVE to invite them becasue we have put so much in already

2. Lets see if there are any play ups that we can get in here for "experience" They may not be better than on age kids, but it looks like we are really acing this development thing if we have some younger kids in here

3. lets ask the assistants if the have any local favorites we need to invite

Cool..lets wrap this up.

Its not player identification. Its not an effort to see more kids. Its all politics. Its not development either. Not that it matters, but I could pick a team of kids right now who who destroy both the U18s and the U17s. Kids who have rarely been selected becasue they dont fit some USSF mold. The USSF are so fixated on wht they call "technical" that they are selecting kids who athletically better develop or they will never ever be able to play at a level where the athletes they face are better .

I believe that McL have some great players, but where were they during the Stars era? Where are teh Solar players? Or some of the other Clubs who consistently produce great players. I dont know how the Internationals did, but if you have 2/3 YNT caliber players in your team a forward and a defender to boot, then why are you not excelling in league play?

There is no accountability. No one at the top is watching what these coaches do and no one is calling them to task over how they do it. Every age group is its own little fiefdom and that is totally wrong. The kids at the Clubs who are not represented are royally screwed becasue they are not scouted. they are not even considered.

Maybe the GDA over time broadens the scouting base, but until there is someone who is asking ALL these youth team coaches what they are doing., has the power to ask real questions and make changes. Until there is real accountability. nothing will change.

In my world , very few kids in an off cycle team would be called up multiple times in a year. Very few kids would play up and if they did, they would not play down. Every kid would have a performance plan that was communicated to her Club coach and post camp would be working on it. Every kid would get a fair assessment that included GAME minutes of significance.

The YNT would be about looking at as many players as possible, not the same ones over and over again.

Anonymous said...

Thanks for sharing your insights. I agree. Also i agree that no one said that the McLean kids aren't national quality, but if they are then its a travesty that they weren't included until they were the recipients of political advantage. What is the PF connection?

Anonymous said...

The Internationals with their 3 or 4 YNT "quality" players didn't even finish high enough in the ECNL to play in the bottom tier in Chicago if I remember correctly.

Anonymous said...

2:34 PM, not really a good point. Not sure how that relates to YNT selection.

Anonymous said...

234 I am not a results guy, but someone should be asking that question. They aren't. Like I said above, no one cares. A friend of mine who coached in the USSF system told me that after running several camps, he asked a senior USSF when the person in charge of evaluating his work and sessions was going to write the report or talk to him about what he was doing. He assumed that there had been someone on the sidelines watching and taking notes. He was told - we dont have anyone doing that ! At that point he realized he could be doing anything he wanted and no one was going to ask any questions.

Up until recently, a camp of 28 kids would have a final game vs an outside opponent. In that game, maybe 15 kids would play. That leaves 13 kids sitting on the bench. Why? What a complete waste of time. The purpose shoul NOT be to identify the "best" players. It should be to identify as many player as possible with the potential to meet the highest standards. Give them a plan and see who gets there.

Too much of this is status driven. Its about telling a kid she is "better" than others and it so so dumb. I see so many average kids pedestalled by this process and it does them no favors at all. If you want a good look at what the evaluators who are actually paid to win games think - look at who is recruited where. its a much better guide as to what the big College coaches think re the potential to impact games than the YNT call ups for U19 teams and under.

Anonymous said...

302 it may be a good point and it may not. But it s a very valid question. 4 top level players on a team should be enough to make the CL unless your conference is loaded.And iif it is, then one would assume there are also worthy players on those teams. If not, there must be some great coaching going on and maybe you should be asking the coaches what they are doing right !!

Anonymous said...

302 maybe you missed the point that the internationals club coach is now the u19 YNT coach and participated as an "assistant" at the recent u18 camps because they also included younger 1999s (u19). She gets incolved and a bunch of internationals show up. The point again being if 3-4 players on a team are indeed YNT quality players, then that team should have shown some success. It did not. Bottom of the table. Certainly calls into question the validity of the process as we question above. U17s beat a team of 1 and 2 year older players. sheesh.

305 I take a bit of issue with your position. many of the kids recruited to the "top" soccer programs are early YNT players. These programs tend to recruit early and are pretty focused on the YNT camps. There is a huge amount of overlap between u15-16camp attendees and top 10 programs. These college coaches, despite, you position seem to very much allow the USSF to filter prosects for them. That process is flawed and you see kids pop up like McKaskill and Hatch who were not young YNT regulars, but really are making a difference in the college game.

A late bloomer is at a huge disadvantage in the recruitment process.

Anonymous said...

302 PM If you are going to judge players based on team results what does that say about the PF 00 YNT pool players that got soundly beat by PDA, Continental and Match Fit last year? In terms of local NJ-PA standings PF finished last. PDA, Continental, Matchfit and FC Bucks all out performed PF head to head in local match-ups. So that would make players from those teams better and should put them in the YNT pool over those PF girls since the PF girls are not even the best players at a local level. The PF YNT pool players were lost on those games, perhaps that is why many don't think they should been in the pool. Maybe those PF girls got the call up because their DOC was running the ECNL ID selection..

Anonymous said...

Except he wasn't
PDA was.
How do you know that players were"lost" in a series of games. Did you see them all?

Anonymous said...

331 ..i think if you look closely, they are a small subset of the YNT kids. All YNT kids are not bad. Some are exceptional. My point is there should be serious rotation. irrespective of absolute quality until you enter a WC year. Then you need to build a team. There are kids recruited by top schools who are/were not even in the NT pools. I

There should be some overlap, however the schools who can pick and chose are pretty clear who they want. In spite of what folks here may think, that is a handful of schools. So maybe our discrepancy is in that. I am talking about maybe 5/10 schools..that is it. Church, Swanson, Krikorian, Ratcliffe do not let the USSF filter. they just dont. I think Dambach does.

And of course there will be kids who fall outside the YNT pools. why would there not be? You are making my point for me in many ways. There should be a lot more rotation and its not about trying to find out who is the "best" at 13,15 or even 18 . The coaches i mentioned dont care about that. They are looking for who will be good In College...not before it . BC are great at nabbing U15 YNT kids. That has not worked out to well recently

Anonymous said...

340 age changes had eh forward playing on a different team. The other PF 00s are good complementary players but I dont think they can carry a team. That does not mean they are not YNT caiber. Personally i think they are, BUT I think that applies to several more in this area. Again. there is no way the PF 00 would arttend 3 consecutive camps in my world. Nothing against her, but I would be looking at other players as well.

Anonymous said...

3:46 I did watch. I can also say there is a huge difference with the PF 99 YNT player, she is a difference class. She is a game changer. Although on different teams last year it’s easy to see the difference this year. She is what a YNT pool player should be, definitely not lost.

Anonymous said...

12:41 - hahaha. okay. McLean is ONE of the best teams in this age group; not THE best. Do agree that there is a history of good player development; however the number of call-ups this time around were most ever in quite a before GDA where McLean isn't playing. And, they ARE playing teams that lost kids to GDA. Hurts your head to try to figure out any logic with US Soccer.

Anonymous said...

Hey good to see posters back? where were you bedbugs for the past few days? Wait until a busy Friday to post?

Anonymous said...

3:40 - hahaha...soundly. The explanation is simple. The ECNL system supports the deep roster for back to back games and fresh legs. GDA allows for the better kids to be on the field instead of entire rosters that may lack depth coming in. PF is one of the teams that fits that mold for GDA and not necessarily ECNL as much (although they did very well in CL as PDA, Breakers, Stars in Ill; 2nd in bracket beating teams some of these other clubs didn't).
This is where the GDA model is much better than ECNL when you don't have 30 kids on a roster.

Anonymous said...

How did Continental and Matchfit do in Chicago? What leagues wehre they in? I just don't remember.

Anonymous said...

Your excuse doesn’t hold water as to why you got beat soundly. DA, ECNL, we lost to 3 better teams then. The team now isn’t much better, take away the 99 YNT player and once again it’s an average team. It’s not a big deal, still good players, but only one at NT level. Eventually the political stuff will give way to qualified players. Let’s revisit in two or three years and see how the kids fair in college.

Anonymous said...

I watched the PF PDA video that was supplied. I do not see this wonderful PF player (s). Must have been an off game. I did look at the stats page and she is the scoring leader, but there is another one tied, a bunch with multiple goals, and the one kid who has been to the most camps recently is scoring also when she's there. For some reason the DA doesn't include Assists or total points. I think that's a deficiency. Can't get a sense sense of whether she's relying on others to create opportunities for her or is carrying the game on her shoulders in scoring and creating or whether there is another kid they are playing through. PF doesn't look on paper like a one trick pony.

That said, PDA was the far better team on the day. They should have at least three kids going to the camps periodically.

Anonymous said...

no ill will. you recall as you like. "soundly" didn't loose to bucks, loss to PDA was 1 goal (1 sub), continental and mf yes, losses. should they have been. nope. as another poster noted, that is how that coached played his team. everyone got in those games. in need to win games (CASL, Ohio Premier (CL semi-finalist), SOLG-MO, and others) not everyone got in. Can you club/team say the same?
The only way you get kids recruited (which is the reason behind club soccer, right) is by playing them even in tough games. That's how they learn.

Anonymous said...

4:50 I guess you need to go back to ECNL to get the call ups, then, PDA - still on Board of Directors, right?

Anonymous said...

4:32
agreed. college. Isn't that what this is all about anyway?
What happened with all the saucy posts? No liquid lunches today?

4:55 - hilarious!

Anonymous said...

450
nope stats don't include many things it appears like shots, saves, sog, corners, assists. they do have a stat for starts; not time played or quality of time played; starts.
you can play for 10 mins; get subbed off, but you started and get a stat. ridiculous.

Anonymous said...

NYCFC /WC kid has plays on the weakest team by far and still scores goals. Been th only consistent threat on that team and continues to get it done. That’s a gamechanger

Anonymous said...

5:26 what tough teams are in your bracket; though. btw - she is a good player so this isn't meant to be an out of line question.

Anonymous said...

5:26
she can be a game changer. no argument here. but so can JC on Spirit MD (the recent camp top player so I read). And looking at that score, PF handled easily.

Anonymous said...

Jc is overrated but we have a few years to verify that before she gets to college.
The wcfc kid is an athlete and the team is not that bad. Like penn fusion their tactics are "get the ball to the Italians". That gives these strikers much more opportunity to score and rack the limited stats that the DA reports. As someone who enjoys watching entertaining midfield play and appreciates the creator as much as the finisher, I would like to know who the teams are playing through or are they just playing over the top. The video looked like PF plays over the top and pda plays through.

Anonymous said...

5;59 not sure I fully agree. PF has at least 9 kids with goals, many multiple (they have 40 in only 8 games), including a DP this past weekend (according to the game report). I think that's more than just "get it to the Italians" in some game situations. Not all, obviously they couldn't muster a goal against PDA. but interesting to note.

Anonymous said...

what are you people doing??? semi finals are being broadcast in most leagues. go get your fix. :)

Anonymous said...

559 twisting the story to fr his perception of where value is. It irks him that te goal scorers are getting ink so he is going to try and devalue what they do. PF has several goal scorers and a team with several high level commits, but he writes them off as kick and chase. NYCFC have one high level commit and lost 2 of the better players to HS soccer. They have a kid who every coach in the league knows is going to get the ball and she still scores and creates for others. He dismisses her as an athlete. That team has kids starting that would not make either PDA or PF roster

Its comical. The dismissive way he talks about them. Whatever. The PF kids and the NYCFC will, god willing, be playing in the ACC next year. He can watch them on TV and criticize. Im guessing Dorrance and Swanson see a bit more in them than he does

Anonymous said...

If you only knew how bad Dorrance and Swanson are as coaches.

Anonymous said...

yes. everyone here is much much better

Anonymous said...

you have kids who are on the verge of achieving what so few achieve. I believe both have YNT caps. Have scored International goals and are about to attend 2 of the finest soccer schools in the world for Women and still the haters hate. They pick holes in their games . Every player has holes. In my opinion, these kids are winning and I hope they continue to represent with class

Anonymous said...

9:18 PM kids who are on the verge of achieving what so few achieve? What are you talking about. Kids have doing this since girls soccer started and it's done each year. We know you love your daughter and it's nice she is doing well, but it's done all the time.

Anonymous said...

not its really not. Hence all the hate. you are talking about kids in the .1 pct. Getting to play soccer for UNC and making Youth National teams is not done all the time . If it was, these threads would have no traffic. its the 99 + pct who want that who are on here asking why not my kid. its why when one makes it, the vultures come on here to tear her down and point out her flaws

Anonymous said...

sorry - late shift. Some great posts. Good read for sure. And yes, very exciting college games last night.

hey, 3/11 @ 3:40 are you aware that this is 2017? PF was involved in the ECNL pdp in 2016. PDA ran the 2017 pdp.

Anonymous said...

12:23 - agreed. there are people on here who can see past their own kid. i marvel at the talent and sacrifices kids make at all levels to play a sport they love. congrats to you and your daughter. she's fantastic.
1:26 - agreed too. my kid was at both. funny, pda according to the posts (as a group based on the posts, not anyone specific) is calling foul now. in ecnl, they had the political advantage it seemed.

Anonymous said...

some great college games this weekend. nice to see familiar kids doing well and having fun. this is what it's all about folks.

Anonymous said...

Did NYFSC loose to Oakwood?

Anonymous said...

Yes

Anonymous said...

NYCFC top player out in the 31st minute. Hope she's OK

Anonymous said...

801 Ty for you concern. She will be ok, but a question. Given this happens multiple times in every game. Why would a potentially elite player continue to risk serious injury to play in these games ? Constantly fouled. Clearly targeted and zero protection from the referees. Parents on the sidelines yelling - be physical. body up., get her every time she touches the ball. Coaches who dont seem to care if players cross the line becasue they are so consumed by winning. Is this it?

I am clearly biased and probably in the minority, but all this USSF lipservice about quality will never be there if you dont have quality refs and coaches who actually stand for more than just winning the game. Dangerous play should never be tolerated and if you rarely card kids for it, then you are condoning it.

If players do not get protection from the refs then I dont see how dribblers and skill players can get better. they just get hacked into submission or hurt.

Anonymous said...

Amen

Anonymous said...

shame. refs in game i have watched in conferences other than yours seem to be a big improvement. Is she thinking of going back to ECNL? I have heard of a few kids or at least their parents talking about it. High level as well not happy with their club apparently.

Anonymous said...

Why not if ECNL is still getting looks as far as inclusion in NT and if club situation isn't working out.

Anonymous said...

1129 Its no different there.Its not a Club issue. Its a fundamental problem in the way we referee games and what our priorities are. When coaches allow kids to cross the line in the spirit of winning games. When parents cover up dirty play by saying its "being tough" . These are all contributing to what we see now. I read here all the time people lamenting the style of play. They talk about a lack of creativity etc. Well this is one of the reasons why. In most of the games i have watched this year, I can honestly say that there should have been at least 5 yellow cards and probably a similar number of reds. If coaches who dont teach the right way to do things were playing with 8 kids they would do a better job. The only red card I have seen was on a player for grabbing a shirt when beat and arguably the last player. I have yet to see a card for violent conduct. I usual; see a ref do all of these in a game tho - call a kid back to retake a quick fk, re position the player for a throw in or call a foul throw.They seem to lose their nerve when it comes to big moments and kids pay the price.

May sound bad, but unless you have that type of player on your team, I dont think you will really appreciate it. Elite speed is not something these guys are used to seeing or refereeing. Its also not something that most off these teams come up against every week.

I also think that very few kids really know how to tackle or what is legal. The referees do not seem to enforce the rules so bad tackles continue thru ignorance more than intent. I dont think any of these kids are taught real slide tackle technique so when they slide in from behind and dont receive cards , what do we expect?

Its fair to say we have the type of game that we deserve and encourage. We should all be demanding better even if its not our kid getting hurt because its only a matter of time if we carry on not enforcing and teaching the rules.

Anonymous said...

I agree. It's not only elite speed that is targeted, elite technical skilled players are also endangered. Generally its player's who are in some way uniquely dangerous who get beat up on. I have heard coaches and parents yelling encouragement to their players to essentially hurt a player on the field. The kids don't need it, they do it all the time without encouragement. Any player who potentially makes them look bad by blowing by them or tripping them up with a move to beat them is in danger. No matter what league or level, the player seen as dangerous to the other team is at risk.

I agree the refs need to take a position of protecting the kids. It would be helpful if the leagues would put out some educational materials for the refs maybe reinforce these messages prior to the game.

Anonymous said...

1208 I agree. And we lament why we dont see more players like that. It takes a certain toughness to keep getting up and coming back for more. I wonder how many just give up. Instead of celebrating kids like that, we kick them out of the game and then go on message boards to tell the world we won. In my opinion you lost.

Anonymous said...

safety of athlete should always be #1 priority no matter what level.

Anonymous said...

1241 in this case, if parents were not continually yelling to the ref to stop play, he would have carried on. player down concussed in the penalty area and he is allowing play to continue. I bet he got paid tho and the USSF have no idea how awful his performance was.

Anonymous said...

I thought all head injuries were auto stop of play. you should write to ussf and tell them. if it's gda, there is tape. maybe they disallow that crew to ref their league games.

Anonymous said...

yes there is tape, but its bigger than one crew. here is a story for you with names redacted. One of the bigger Clubs in the NE. The DoC came specifically to watch this game. he was not present for any other. he was yelling and screaming at the refs all game for calling fouls on his players - some of whom are on the NT and should know better. All of the fouls were physical in nature and left the player on the ground. After about the 15th one, player unable to continue. Post game, when asked why he chose to defend a kid that way, his comment

well you have to do what you have to do .

Its not just the refs.

Anonymous said...

mad scramble now to look at the various game reports, huh?

Anonymous said...

okay, i'm stumped.

Anonymous said...

wow. sounds like a rugby game instead of soccer.
yes, it's not just the refs. I have heard parents yell horrible comments to kids not on their own team. Or direct their own team to take a player.
how did you learn that the doc made that comment as sometimes things get distorted?
was at a game this weekend that it was physical, but both sides. not excusing it, but just saying, both sides. that's definitely when the refs have to get control.

Anonymous said...

good to see this isn't a PDA, PF and NYSFC board this week.

Anonymous said...

Checking out the brackets and RPI for NCAA play. Does anyone know why conference records are not listed?
It's overall record and then away and home records. Not conference record. would be good to see how some may have had good outside of conference records but blew it during conference play.

Anonymous said...

It's not just the youth level. Did anyone see the NWSL final? Total thuggery. Affected the outcome of the game after taylor Smith was taken out with a serious shoulder injury. Ref let the game get totally out of control

Anonymous said...

what's a normal GDA week look like for other teams? my niece will have 6 days of playing or training this week. 6 days. not one film day in it; training. how is that allowed?

Anonymous said...

remember the new paint on an old barn concept someone tossed out several months ago re some of these clubs. well...

Anonymous said...

http://equalizersoccer.com/2017/11/07/fourfourtwo-vlatko-to-seattle-laura-harvey-to-us-soccer/

Good pick up for USSF. But, sad to see the ONLY female NWSL coach leave her post. Always enjoyed the Reign games.

Anonymous said...

Saw that post too. Good move for US Soccer. Wonder where she will land in the system. Hmmmm....ring, ring, ring...hello Hope. Grab your gloves.

Anonymous said...

Soccer America says u23s

Anonymous said...

i dont care who you add under this leadership. It makes little difference. Good people need to be empowered to impaact the whole set up. Unless she is REPLACING Heinrichs or Ellis, its purely cosmetic

Anonymous said...

Agreed. There should be a term limit for lack of a better analogy for USSF positions as well.

Anonymous said...

Not a fan of the Bethesda Premier Cup website. Just trying to get info re games and locations.

Anonymous said...

What is happening at CSA kids leaving? Heard shake up with long term DOC?

Anonymous said...

Do tell?

Anonymous said...

I guess back to edp?

Anonymous said...

Who coach or kids?

Anonymous said...

Thought there might be more chatter about the PDA/PF matchup??

Anonymous said...

CSA at Bethesda was ugly...not sure what's goin on

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