Initial Spirit bracketshttps://www.gotsport.com/asp/directors/tournament/vieweventteamscleanb.asp?EventID=52814&Group=Girls_13
There are a few teams that shouldn't be in the top bracket and a few that should that are not
Will be blowouts all over the flights. Quickly looking, take a guess at which teams prevail...
HFC, NJ Elite, Atletico, Penn Fusion
@3:02 which teams are you referring too?
No arguments with the PAE teams.
Phwm 04 red should be in the top bracket, from what people said the barons team looks like I say the same for them. Nj wildcats Lopez shouldn't be in the top bracket or holmdel or YMS
Almost all teams are new and most haven't played a game together yet. The flighting is fine. If your good, you'll win. It will all balance iout in a couple of months.
This is the U12 (2005) page. Some get it some dont, time to move on 04's,
7:37Wrong - it's either the 04 page, the mod just hasn't updated the name
*Editit's the 04 page
PHWM beat hulmeville 4-2 last weekend at the west chester tournament. It was 4-0 in the first half, so it seems those teams are definitely in the wrong flights.
Whatever board it is (how hard can it be to add birth yrs to avoid the confusion) Spirit U12 brackets look about right, not so much U13. I only looked at the top 2.
Edp flights are up.
They have been up since Friday. Some changes have already been made. Maybe more to come?
Has anyone heard from NTC for the upcoming year? Notifications appear to be later than last year.
5:03I'm curious to know how you know the 04 brackets don't "look about right"? Are you saying you know how all the movement affected all the teams in the current flights? You know about all the out of state teams in the flights? If so, you're a pretty connected fella. I wish you knew how ridiculous you sound.
5:03 shared an opinion. Why are you attacking him?
Maybe I have seen some of the teams already play
10:32 - Are you serious? 2:12 - Okay pal, you've seen enough of these teams play to make a statement like that. 95% of these teams haven't even played yet. PLUS, you made a comment about the U12 flights "looking about right". So I guess you've seen those teams play too right? You are on the reasons why this board is such a joke.
8:17. The flights look fine because I don't give a rats ass. You want to push your teams agenda, go nuts. It'll settle out soon enough. What do you get by bragging about your kids team before they play meaningful soccer. Trust me, they aren't as good as you think they are.
8:17...The soccer community is small. There are people at these clubs who sit on the boards of leagues, attend conferences, run into each other at tournaments, etc... If you think they don't know what is going on at other clubs you will soon learn otherwise. There are also players who may have trained with and/or tried out for 2-3 of these teams last spring. These people would also know the talent level of those teams. Or just maybe he/she knows the tournament directors and was told the last 3 teams placed in the top flight was a toss up with 4 other teams so they put 7 in a hat and the first 3 picked made the top flight. Someone would only need to know about 2 teams 1 in Flight A and 1 in Flight B to make that comment and it would be an informed comment. Or just maybe it was made to rile up people like you.
August 10, 2016 at 11:04 PMHas anyone heard from NTC for the upcoming year? Notifications appear to be later than last year.Just saw earlier today that Continental FC posted a CONGRATS to the 15 girls participating in the training center. So either it has happened already, or is going to in the next few days. I'm going to guess that multiple girls from multiple clubs received the call to attend, however I do not have the logistics.
4:10 and 11:23 on 8/11You don't give a rats ass but you come on here and boast about what flights are right and wrong based on your infinite wisdom? Well which is it? You are an idiot, period end of story.
The SJEB girls (2004) first team will win Spirit United. They are big and fast. SJEB recruited well this past season.
10:44 Depends on what flight they get put in. Maybe if they are in the second flight but now way if they are in the top flight.
9:45 the idiocy is thinking these are the same posters you have been going back and forth with
This blog has a lot of rude idiots that hide behind anonymous postings.
11:54 and 11:59Says the two people who posted their comments anonymously.
What's rude about our comments? Half of the comments on this board would never be said face to face. Just because it's an anonymous blog people don't have to be so nasty.
Engaging not negative! Geesh!
What league is PDA Lyon and Zizou on?
NPL Northeast. One is Pre-ECNL the other is NPL.
Matchfit is in the same league- has a Pre-ECNL team and an NPL team.
Other clubs should be ecnl before Matchfit. They don't have very good teams in my mind. At least at this age
LOL this year MFA was ranked the #22 club in the country. Winning at this age is not very important to them. It's why while most teams were getting a tune up for Stars, they don't care. I am interested to see how the Pre-ECNL team does thisbyear.
It doesn't seem like that many NJ teams won at Spirit this year, but maybe there were less NJ teams participating than in previous years. There seemed to be a gap in all the age groups.
That's because winning is not important to NJ teams - we are focused on development! Yup! That's right! If it's a good excuse for the matchfit poster then it's good for all the soccer teams in the state! Loosing is Winning! That's our motto!
Barons 04 team made the finals of the second flight. That's a good finish
They lost in a PK shoot out. Penn fusion ecnl team look the best out of all the teams then the barons most teams in top flight were pretty weak.
Looks like the Lyons started off as very average. The blog should be different this year.
6:41. You're a sad individual. Still bitter that your daughter didn't make Lyon? Or are you one of the teams they steamrolled last year? Give it a rest already. Move on.
Maybe 6:41 has something on the Lyon team, but it seems that they did not do too well in the stars tourney.
Out of curiosity... Now that we have concluded the summer tourneys, what teams out there are looking good at this point?
To hard to yell at this point anyone that says otherwise is a fool.. Wait till the fall season plays out then we will see what teams do well.. Just a guess in NJ I put Lyon, Sjeb and SDFC and the top 3 teams from what I heard about movement of kids. Lyon always gonna have great talent Sjeb had a good draw of talent this year and SDFC put out good team every year as well. I could be wrong about the top 3. But we will have to see how the new girls mesh it takes time. Anyone have another other teams that can crack those at the top 3 let me know.
Why bash Lyon? They played in competitive pre-ECNL tourney and finished 2nd in a tough flight (1 win, 2 draw). They tied the eventual champion 0-0 in match play. Looks to me like they had a very solid first outing.
The flip side of bragging is bashing.
7:07What makes you an authority to say "Anyone have another other teams that can crack those at the top 3 let me know"? Who the heck are you? You know how Lyon is made up this year? You know the same for SDFC? What good draw of talent did SJEB get and what does that even mean? The way I see it, Lyon did pretty good in Mass (didn't advance based on goal diff), SJEB couldn't win the second flight at a so-so tournament and SDFC won an incredibly weak Morris tournament and finished third in their bracket of the second flight at FC Stars.So please enlighten everyone on how you put SDFC and SJEB as top 3 teams in the state.
you would think after this weekend, you would lay low. Settle down Lyons, you are the as good as you think are...
Would have liked to see World Class play Lyon in the finals at Stars. They beat MFA and FC Stars.
lyon did not earn enough points to advance to the final. Goal differential was not a factor. Tophat had the wins to advance and they won the final game.
Is that your way of saying Lyon won one game against the weakest team? Maybe this just isn't your tournament...
It was my way of complimenting Tophat and correcting the poster who mistakenly posted that goal differential was a deciding factor. I have nothing against any particular kid soccer team in this or any other tournament.
How about a real top 10 or 20 we should be keeping an eye on? Got soccer rankings are terrible and include teams that aren't even teams anymore. I know not every team has played yet but if anyone has seen any of these teams play, I would love to hear about them. Let's try to change how this blog goes and avoid bashing other teams. We all know Lyon is likely the best in the age group. There is no need to continue arguing over it until a team from New Jersey actually beats them. Let's start learning about the rest of the teams here.
Well alright - since you are really fishing for action and it is so obvious - plus someone else publicized the club on another forum -NJ CRUSH FIRE has a fine resume.And as often happens - has never played PDA
Havnt they already lost all their top players to WC and PDA ?
Doesnt seem like they have missed a beatThe better clubs have players waiting to be called up
Harrison looks really good too. Any thoughts on TBAA and Manalapan? How about Monmouth cedar stars academy?
417 - what have they done? And where do they play, besides your sloped north field of dirt?
I am sure you can find that information if you look.Crush-NYSC game 2 of NPLGood luck to you, sir
Hint - the Region 1 Championships games are not listed on GotSoccer
Not sure who is more annoying CRUSH or PDA. Although I hate to say, pda would probably beat them 6 to 0.CRUSH is all over every blog talking got soccer points and the end all be all club.
I spoke with a crush fire parent at NextGen over a year ago. They did scrimmage PDA and lost like 2-0, not 100% sure. Very consistent with the old youthsoccerranking.us and they did lose players to WC.
Thanks for that info, 10:44
Thanks crush guy.
one benefit of going to non-club training (e.g. nextgen or nycsl coe) is you actually meet nice parents and kids from other clubs. no one talks about club rivalries, or gotsoccer point but cheer on for a good play. highly recommended - good sportsmanship and respect.
thank god week 1 is finally here.
Has anyone seen Penn Fusion play? Are they loaded with athletes? Or actually playing attractive soccer?@ 10:26 Tophat always has good teams from what I've seen. Well run club.
Fat, slow kids playing nice soccerIts weird, really
Untrue, unnecessary, destructive comment. We have enough girls out here with eating disorders and misguided concern that their size, height, weight, hair, etc. is anyone's business. Can we please keep our soccer loving daughters away from that garbage.
Pre-ECNL Iis solid. The NPL a limitless less so.
Lyon sdfc Sjeb all in fall cup so we will see how that tourny plays out then people can talk
NJ Crush did lose to PDA Lyon - except I'm pretty sure it was their older team playing down in a scrimmage.
Did you hear that from another parent as well?I think Lyon was playing up in stars.
hehyeah, 1:24 - must have been it
you just know when the team is poised to dominate another season!
Is NJ Crush even playing 11v11? Thought they were small sided.
Small sided at u13?
Lyons lost again.
They will beat bucks next week. This club should not be in ecnl, every age groups is horrible and getting beat by ten points a game.
Lyons are not winning.
Team is a shell of what it once was.
Age group change really hurt them
Lyons are not what they were. It will be interesting when they play some of the better teams.
Maybe all the posters moved up an age. Although u14 is very quiet, but always has been and maybe they don't want to expose themselves in new age group/new team.
State cup groupings are up. Who are the favorites for each?
It's Lyon after the french team/city. They lost the core of their team to U14. Also, they had kids at tryouts who they offered immediately, but would not tell them what team. By doing that 2-3 difference makers ended up elsewhere. Still a very good team, that will win a lot of games.
EDP fall cup brackets posted
Looks like the second bracket should be switched with the top bracket.
Yes,it looks like they pull the teams out of a hat.
I don't think they're listed in order, platinum is always the top bracket
Points/value will follow the better teams. If EDP doesn't adjust, platinum will be valued 2x diamond.
Everyone relax, the flights will be adjusted.
Nobody cares about edp cup .Lyon is class of 04 period.
Lyon must care about it since they're in it.
Very light State Cup turnout. What up with that?
State cup is crap most team don't wanna waste money carding nj youth soccer. That's why more team play in the nj cup in the spring then the state cup in the fall
Looks like another bad day for Lyons.
EDP Fall Cup brackets are taken down. They must be flighting teams now. Should be a great top flight with SJEB, PDA Lyon, SDFC and NJ Wildcats. SJEB should be the early favorite to take the flight. They have already shutout the Wildcats and NJ Crush.
It's back up and looks unchanged. They probably just took it down to add the schedule. Is sjeb really better then pda?
7:24 We'll find out at 9:15 next Saturday
2 to 0 game, but not giving the winner yet. Okay, SJEB will win.
solid start from sjeb! hope they clean up.
Why did they take PDA Barcelona out of the top bracket guess they didn't want them to beat Lyon
My guess is that Lyon wins the tournament and concedes 1 goal or fewer
My guess is SJEB pounds them in the first game and then we will stop hearing all the BS from up North once and for all.
Make that 3:30 that they will get pounded. Will be a long weekend for Lyon and they probably won't win a game.
My bet is that all teams get pounded by rain, and a surprise winner, Brentwood/Atletico will emerge.
It's not going to rain Hurricane Schwartz
I saw SJEB play and was not impressed, I haven't seen PDA play this year, but I can't imagine they are worse than SJEB and I am no PDA fan.
So who did you see SJEB play? And what exactly made them unimpressive?
Watched SJEB play NJ Wildcats and they were outplayed
Oh, you mean the game when SJEB shut out the Wildcats 1-0? I see, it was that game. Nice try Wildcat parent, now go to your room and stay off this board forever.
Bragging about a 1-0 win over NJ Wildcats, really? That is so lame.
Not nearly as lame as saying you watched the Wildcats outplay them when they were shutout in the game. Did you watch the NJ Crush game too? Did the Crush outplay them in that game? It was the game SJEB won 3-0 at the Crush.
Who outplayed who? "they" could refer to either team.
SJEB, PDA, blah blah blah.... Just wait till Monday. Who ever is left standing after the EDP tournament can brag. Good luck to all.
Holster them pistols @ 8:03. You talking mighty loud for a little feller
cant wait till monday. lets start an anonymous wager right here.pda to sweep top 2 brackets at u13.clarkstown at u14
Sjeb shows up as the town team they are. Now please stop talking about how great you are. cant believe I was hoping PDA would win.
I watched Lyon Sjeb game it was a good game should have been a 2-1 game Lyons ways. Lyon still a good team Sjeb from what I saw has work to do on there team. They need a goalie their keeper let some easy goals in. They should have left Barcelona in the top bracket as well. Team from Canada has no business being there.
Lyons are a very average ecnl team. Shows how far below Sjeb are from the top tier teams.
SJEB parent throwing their own goalie under the bus, nice...
And what team does your snowflake play for. If they are not on Lyon or Sjeb. Let me guess Barcelona
@12:11I sure that was someone just trying to start crap.
Cant blame goalie for going scoreless in 2 games.
Barcelona Dad-Stop complaining about your team already considering they were the only option you had! So give them some respect......oh wait, they just took your money with 20 players on the team! Barcelona was in the right tier, they have never been a threat to anyone. Enjoy!
Sorry, not even close thank god. From a very good LI team. Just tired of your bragging, time for you to sit back and realize that you are on a very average team. You sound like the vorhees parent from last year.
Haha, nice try as well. No bragging here, first post. I'm tired of all you idiots that think you know everything.
To funny. SJEB is like PDA Lyon and vorhees from last year blog.
Funny is this blog in its entirety, it shouldn't exist at all. Down right pathetic is what it is. My team this and my team that. It truly sounds like a 5yr old playground. A lot of this wouldn't be said if names were listed. That's a FACT!!! Consider that as the first thing EVER listed as a pure fact known and agreed by all on here!
@ 12:29 AGREED! This blog would actually be worth something if posters would be respectful of one another. It's okay if little Mia isn't good and its okay if Mia's team isn't good. Too much sensitivity.
That's nice agreeing with yourself.
Who is this Mia you are talking about?
the more anonymous we stay, the more agreeable this becomes! go mia! don't listen to parents' negative talk.
Take your pick Mia from sta or Mia from massapequa or Mia from Psa or maybe mia from Brentwood/athletics or the late mia ham now think hard before you open something you can't close
Mia is so good she would be a great addition to any of those teams. She can even play up for Maximus.
So now that the Lyon and baron debate is over with, can we get back to what this blog is really meant for? As a parent of a player that is not on an elite team, I want to hear about what is going on with the rest of the state. There were a couple meaningful tourneys this past weekend- parsippany and Ukraine. Anyone see any of those games?
PDA - Match Fit score is posted. Is that the score or just the max differential allowed? Either way...
Either way a mid table team of good players played a mid table team of good players and one scored more goals. Hope they all enjoyed the game.
MFA is always on twitter bragging for the dumbest little things. So today is the biggest day for bragging rights in NJ.ECNL clubs and they lost to PDA 5-0 and 2-0 at U13 and 1-0 and 4-0 at U14 AND they just forfeited the U15 game because they don't have enough players!!Not a word on their feed...#wegotourbuttskickedtodaybyTHEPDA
MFA takes to twitter, whereas PDA parents take to anonymous soccer boards. A true sign of a well oiled ECNL propaganda machine.
Any thought on state cup now that semi finals are set? SJEB looks like the easy winner of it all
Seems like some jerk is messing with SJEB. Give it a rest!
SJEB is not that great, couldn't even beat NJ Elite in regular time.
Did I read that right? SJEB lost to Teysa? Oh my. All that trash talk, no wonder why you can hear the crickets on this blog.
It's a game any team can loose on any given day Sjeb PDA it doesn't matter the fact that you sit on your computer waiting to see a score shows what kind of loser you are. I am glad you can read.
9:20 - you are such a tool, give it a rest with stalking SJEB. Any team can have one of those days, it happens to everyone sooner or later. I'm sure if they played 10 more times SJEB would beat them 9 or 10. I hope they win the state cup so maybe you'll disappear forever.
@8:50okay, I'm a tool for pointing out that SJEB lost to Teysa? Fact of the matter is the best teams in the south are still lagging far behind the best teams in the north. If I'm a tool for pointing that out, then whatever. SJEB might be the best team south of Trenton but that's not saying much since the next best team is PDA South. Both would get pummeled if they played up north. Lyon proved that a few weeks ago.
Anyone know the rules for promotion and relegation between division 1 & 2? Looked on EDP site but nothing found around this topic.
In the past EDP took the last place team from 1st division and the 1st place team in the 2nd devision and swapped them. Also depends on if the games where close, or blowouts. Their is some criteria that has to evaluated before the jump. You can also request as well.
looking for a quality futsal league for a girls team.I was given this link to check out Central jersey Futsal League which is part of the US Youth Futsal Leaguehttp://centraljerseyfutsal.com/Any thoughts would be appreciated
What's the story with Match Fit Pre-EcNL girl's quitting over lack of playing time? man you just can't win with some parents. They want their kids on competitive teams then when they get it, they quit?
Not with match fit but why are you discussing this here? Why don't you just ask them? I moved mine to a large roster this year and am experiencing this for the first time. We are definitely rethinking the playing time sacrifice. For us we really had to experience it to understand the impact and guide the right decision for us going forward.
EDP has a futsal league over the winter. Good experience with them both boys & girls
2 follow up questions:- what do you consider large roster- how much playing time on a large roster do kids get?
20 girls. Everyone gets half a game. enough for some. others want more. imo every player should decide for themselves what is a a good fit. I make no judgement on someone else's choice.
A MFA kid that quit? Big deal, yawn. Plain and simple there are some middle of the road - to - back end roster kids who thought they were going to be real "players". Lots of hype but once the league games started, no sizzle. There are lots of kids on this roster who can't run and just can't thrive with the "speed of play" in the league has shown top to bottom. I have been surprised how good the soccer has been actually.Good luck at STA, NJ ELITE, COPA, FC BERNA, PDA B/C, NJ CRUSH, NJ WILDCATS, NJ STALLIONS...Did I miss any?
Yawn if a superstar moves on as well. It is youth soccer. Find a good fit and play the game.
Could 1-7-1 have something to do with it?
Wasn't good enough. Even on a 1-7-1 team.
What is up with Lyons? Another tough weekend...
And another one coming up against WC. Should be a very good game.
It is obvious that Lyon was driven by the 2003's and that the 2004's are just not at that level.
Also so obvious that all the Lyon commentary on this board was driven by the 03s. Enjoy the peace and quiet and the soccer!
Youth soccer rankings back up.http://youthsoccerrankings.us
Everytime I check a score, Villarreal loses and looks villa fake.
Sjeb has lost 4 games with tourny cup and so on. Who does your kid play for Lyon has lost a lot of games so far 5 in there league and Barcelona has played any real team to talk about.
After Lyon broke up in the spring they aren't worth talking about. Whole different team. And obviously not as good.
Agree, but still best team in state. Sad how weak this age group is. WC has a really nice team, place to be if you live in north.
Why are there so few teams with women coaches. Are there any teams in the top level of the state with a female coach.
The 2004 age group is extremely strong in NJ, the problem is the top tier girls got scooped up by the older teams. So now the age group is just average and the elite 04's are playing now with the 03's and 02's. This is why so many teams in this age group broke apart last spring.
In regards to the female coaching comment. NJ Elite has a phenomenal female coach and perhaps a couple of strong players short of a top 5 team in NJ. Amazing coaching, program and player development at NJ Elite with the amazing Dutch Total Soccer coaches. As for all the PDA Lyon comments. Although they've had some negative results they are still the best team in NJ by far. They will turn things around as they have phenomenal young players.
NJ Elite is not even close to being a top 5 team, what have you been smoking?
Match Fit team has many issues. Players are sitting due to coach playing his daughters friends. Stay of away from this crap!
Sjeb 2 - penn fusion ecnl 1
Why do teams spend outrageous amounts for tournaments when there are much cheaper options available? If it's because the more you spend, the better the competition, that's just a scam. All those same teams can sign up for tournaments and still get 3 refs and even some with 4 game guarantees for fractions of the cost of some of the edp tournaments and others like the Delco tourney. If a bunch of the high level teams just started joining together to play some of these more local tournaments, maybe it could send a message??? Or is those gotsoccer points so valuable because of the bonus those large tournaments provide? I would love to hear all of the opinions out there.
Points are not based on the tournament it self more what points the teams that are playing bring with them.. if u played a crappy tournament but all good team still played in it like u said then the points wouldn't be any different I believe.
Meaning that you get the same points value for a crappy tournament as you would from a high level tournament. So I see your point to play local cheaper tourny and just get better teams to sign up
I'd think that the reason to play the larger tournaments is to draw a large number of teams, preferably high quality teams from different regions. If you can draw these teams, the tournament should theoretically be a draw for any college recruiters to come and see a lot of players in a single weekend. It's not really applicable for U-13, but I am sure there is some sort of agreement with the larger clubs that they will bring all of their top teams in each age group to fill out the tournament
We have found that EDP tournaments provide a much higher level of competition than local events. The competition at the larger out of state events is no better than at EDP tournaments.
That rationale appears elitist and senseless. Your argument is basically stating that the only way to get college scouts to see your child is by paying a lot of money? corporate American classism and racism at its finest.
The rationale is that college scouts have a limited travel budget to see players and would prefer to use it on events with top teams from multiple regions to maximize the travel expenditure and time. Soccer is a pay to play sport in this country, particularly for girls. I don't see that changing any time soon. I think any parent whose kid plays on a top team can complain about the massive cost related to soccer; particularly since the cost continually increases as you progress to the higher levels. I don't see any real alternative. My dd loves to play and wants to play at the highest level she can, so I pay.
The players with the talent and cash to play high level girl's soccer are fortunate. The lower income talent plays lower income options. That is the only real alternative.
As a college coach, I would be more inclined to go see a specific girl play in a tournament rather than go to a huge tournament and spread myself out only seeing 5 minutes or so of a player. It makes much more financial sense for a player to just attend camps where either they are held by the college or specific camps that several college coaches will be at. With only a few scholarships available, especially for girls soccer, we need to see more than a girl's skills and ability. Most of the high level girls are very similar. We also need to see their interactions with other players off the field as well as their ability to take direction well from different coaches and coaching styles. I normally only attend tournaments when I have personally had a player at my camp that caught my eye and want to see her in action outside of my training. That includes usually a personal invite to specifically come watch them play. That shows me they have an interest in playing for me at my university.
does being a top 5 on a top ecnl team and getting invites to all the nt camps help out too?Or should I just forget about that route and take your advice?
You're on the right path. Glad to give her a look. Send me her 40 yard sprint times to #yourawhackjob
At my camps, I want to know nothing of what travel team you play for. They are to not wear anything with their team name and are to leave home any bags or apparel that have their team name on it. Regarding players at this age group, and youth soccer before high school age, high level travel often tends to be more for the money than it is on developing players properly. The focus on winning and traveling thousands of miles to brag about a league your team is in is not a great way to develop your players and parents arguing on a website like this doesn't make the experience better. I would highly recommend all players this age get into a futsal league and program. That is more valuable than any alleged academy experience as long as the coaching is solid.
Scary parents talking college about 12 year olds wtf get lives!
5:44 PM. First sensible thing I've heard on this site in a long time. Parents we should be all about developing our kids to be the best players and individuals. All these high level clubs/academies with their drama and constant roster changes are not about helping your kid get better. Especially when they want you to pay for outside training on top what they are supposed to do. Futsal is fun and helps develop the kids skills.
Of course you like what you wrote.
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