SJEB is getting DA ????????
Stop with the ridiculous rumors...SJEB is not getting the GDA. Maybe they shoot for ECNL. Even that is a reach. PDA will not allow another South Jersey club to have DA or ECNL.
7:52PDA parent a little butt hurt? Don't be bitter because you have no teams to compete with the top SJEB teams. The talent in SJ has realized that PDA South is nothing more than a money grabbing 2nd level club at best.
The state cup game??? They played PDA shore not PDA south. I hope 9:20 isn’t a SJEB parent. That is an obnoxious statement. If it was... SJEB parents should be careful what they wish for. If they get GDA, their bottom 5 will be replaced. That team has a few strong talented skilled players that carry the weight. You can tell some have put in a lot of hours on their own perfected their skill. Some of the players seem to be on borrowed time. Congrates to them and good luck at regional stage of competition!
Their is no way SJEB/Rush is getting GDA status. Would be cool to see that 2004 team though. Team would be deadly. Its no secret who the best 04's are in SJ in every position.
PDA v CSA U14GDA game was live streamed. Looked like CSA dominated the game even though the ref was giving PDA every chance to win. Both DA teams would crush SJEB by at least 6 goals. It wouldn't be close.
"Both DA teams would crush......" Both teams would crush an EDP team?? Gosh I hope so!!! I would want my money back from the academy if they lost. LOL
I don’t think they would crush them. South Jersey should have their own GDA. There is enough talent and population to create a competitive team. Any one highschool in Jersey acquiring a handful of high key freshman next year?
Let us be realistic. PDA is still a very good team, probably tops in NJ. CSA seems to be on the way up. SJEB could put together a very good DA team, they would pull from PDA South.
I would take the word “very” out of the above statement.
@3:43. If you are impressed with SJEB, please list your top 5 teams in NJ for this age group.
The comment was in reference to PDA DA being a “very” good team. I’m not shaking pom poms for SJEB.
Top 5 in no specific order 1. PDA DA2. Sjeb rush 3. Cedar stars da 4. Sdfc 5. Maybe match fit ecnl .. or pda shore This is from teams I have seen play I may have missed a team.
@847 so sjeb wouldn't be in your top 5. Just a question. And what would your top 5 be
What about NJ Stallions?
1. PDA DA and Cedar Stars3. SDFC4. PDA South5. SJEB
Is there any plan for ECNL and NPL to consolidate? The level of play of for these teams is fairly similar, particularly this year with the introduction of GDA.
PDA is the best girls program in the State of NJ! I do not have a player at PDA but have been involved with NJ Youth soccer for 30 years. This U14 PDA DA team has a National Player from NJ on the team. Parents on this forum are full of jealousy. PDA does not need to win games to prove how good they are. Anyone who knows the game of soccer can see that CSA did not control the play against PDA. PDA controls the ball with every touch. They do not play defensive and just clear the ball. Get a grip everyone! No girls programs in NJ will ever take the place of PDA as the top girls program! Just like on the boys side. Red Bulls with always be the top boys program in NJ!
11:50 I doubt you watched the game.
Claiming that no one will ever pass PDA is a ridiculous statement. You have no clue what the future holds. They may be tops now, but that doesn’t guarantee future success. They have 3 loses in this DA season which isn’t even 3 months old.
There was a girl that started for PDA that left CSA because she couldn’t crack the starting lineup.
PDA south they are not that good. They don't even play top bracket at tourments. I would put stallions,pda shore, sat all ahead of them
PDA shore struggled last year. PDA south barely gets an opportunity to play top Jersey teams. South is stuck in NE NPL. They’d have better competition in EDP. @3:18 soccer is subjective. Maybe the player didn’t connect well with the coach. Or her style of play wasn’t the right fit.
Yeah last year key word. All new team shore is this year
Teams are all weak.
the teams around here are weak compared to some top teams on the west coast.
NJ Stallions are in the middle of the pack in NPL for fall.
Penn Fusion is at the top of the pack for just about all the age groups.
Moving on to East PA - Top 5 teams?
Penn Fushion has very good teams and very shitty parents.
PA EastPenn FusionPhilly SoccerThat's about it, maybe PA Classics very distant third
@1150 - There are no national team players from pda at this age group. Look to Boston for that player. The 2002 goalie is only one right now from pda that I'm aware of. The most recent us training invite for 2003 players to take place in PA, (nj / pa 2003 combine)included three 2004 players. Two of them from penn fusion and one from pda. I believe your mention above was not invited to this camp. Cedar stars and penn fusion are best at this age group.
8:39 There is a player listed on the site. https://www.ussoccer.com/stories/2017/09/05/19/03/20170905-news-u15gnt-u14gnt-will-hold-concurrent-camp-at-us-soccer-ntcI believe the word on the street is that she is injured over the last few games.
@everyone, there is no best team at this age group that’s why you see so much player movement at this age. Right now it comes down to coaching. Who is able to get their team to play the best, consistent soccer possible. I bet there are well coached ECNL teams that can compete with any of these DA teams. Arguing who’s best is like arguing politics. It’s all subjective.
I wouldn’t bet on it
PDA does have a player that was invited to national team camp in California last month and yes she is currently injured. And they lost again today to Penn Fushion.
Yes, but there was a new invite to a 2003 USTC in Pa and two 2004 girls from penn fusion and one from Pda invited. And not the same name listed in September camp. This tells me things change every month and just because you get an invite, doesn't mean you get another. I was just responding about Pda dominance. From what I'm seeing, csa and pf is stronger at this age group. Today was more proof and the scouts are seeing this on the da.
Too funny! I guess players cant be injured...lol... Wouldn't you love to say you have a national player on your team! Look at every academy age bracket and PDA is at the top while CSA is at the bottom except U14 and don't forget CSA hasn't played Penn Fusion yet! Fact! PDA has a professional team attached to the program and Red Bulls has a professional team attached to their program. You can't bye that everyone! It will never change. PDA is the place to be on the girls side and Red Bulls on the boys. Its not about the wins. In every sport the best team doesn't always win!
3:48 you are fishing for info here? why dont you post the invite list and i will explain everything. where does the 2004 girl play?
Rain date is this coming week and same location. It's a 2003 event with a few 2004.
Why discuss 2003 events on a 2004 forum?
Looks like you hit a PDA nerve...
Looks like NJ teams in the top bracket at bethesda were slightly outplayed.
I live when PDA loses and some clown comes on here saying it’s not about the wins and then when PDA wins, that same clown comes on here yapping about how good PDA is and no one can beat them. PDA is good, but they are no longer the only game in town. 2 months into the inaugural DA season and the panic is already setting in.
you and the other two are the same type of clown. nothing to do with soccer.
With the DA, before we know it - 2003/04 girls will be playing together. Actually, looks like they already are if above comments are true.
7:48 It's an interesting comment about the birth years combining. 2004 is good for another year at the single age group, but I know there are a lot of questions for the 2003 team heading into a dual age group year next season. There are always rumors that the girls will move to all single age group bands next season, but the boys are remaining the same so we will see.
Looks like Matchfit is going to go to DA.
DA is exploring 2 things according to their web site (explicitly written for new applicants)- adding a U13 age group- keeping U16 on its own. Not sure where y’all coming up with 2004 playing with 2003. FUD. Why would MF do GDA when they have explicitly said no last year to an invite. They don’t have enough staff to cover that many practices as required. Plus the cap for the roster size is 2/3 of what MF typically likes to carry per age group.
4:47 Maybe they realize that ECNL is on the decline, and if they pass on GDA this year another club will take the slot. There is plenty of talent to field a GDA program in the Morris County/North Jersey region of the state.
STA has better facilities and more dedicated coaches. MF has old prestige. CSA North has backing of CSA south. Then add PSA, SDFC and Stallions. Probably all of them applied
No way USGDA is adding PSA, SDFC and Stallions. That’s crazy talk! Dount SJEBRUSH will get it either.
NYSC got GDA - and they have zero facilities.
Why do they need to add another gda club at all in New Jersey? It seems they need to first have some consistency in the competitiveness of the existing teams before they add clubs which will just dilute teams even more. If you look at gda results, the goal differentials for the bottom 3 or 4 teams in each age group in this area is quite high. Also, Matchfit would look stupid if they did gda a year after declining it. Especially since they are “all in” for the ecnl touting it as the proven path play to college. I for one, holpe they don’t add any gdas in NJ for next year. The past two years have been tumultuous enough first with birth year change, followed a year later by the introduction of gda. US soccer needs to just let the dust settle!
Because small clubs with great Training want to stop bleeding players to GDA talent aggregators.
Not going to happen. He talent level is already diluted. No roomleft in North Jersey.
Too many leagues. DA, ECNL NPL EDP. ODP players. Someone needs to explain why that still exists. They just announced those rosters. DA Girls don’t go. The DA is being run to develop national team players. It’s all about the money as usual.
Sjeb rush doesn't have the facility to get Da
If Matchfit does DA they would lose most of the ecnl teams and would need more than 2 coaches. Some could compete some can't.
Matchfit could compete fine with some of the teams and clubs in the DA. IF you are in it, yo will see that some of the competition is weak as in any other league. That said, do they even want to? Does it help them or their players? Does not matter to me, but the GDA is not significantly different then other high level leagues in my experience.
Actually SJEB/Rush does have the true facilities now. They have partnered with Rowen U. for their new facility that is already being used by Rush. Their application is in. Club will hear within 60 days. Very strong chance they will get the nod. Multiple state cup champs on multiple levels and age groups. Strong national presence and don't forget RUSH is the largest soccer club in the world, 44k players. If they get the GDA, can't imagine the 2004 squad they would put together. It would be down right scary. The organization has some of the best 2004 talent in NJ. They would be a strong draw for talent in SJ, eastern PA, Delaware and central NJ. Delaware Rush has put their name in for the GDA as well and has a good chance. Time will tell.
A tip - manage your expectations. Your entire dream team may not be as thrilled as you with the prospect of all the increased money and travel required to go beat up on some weak teams. but you will get some great competition as well. Is what it is. Good luck.
The competition was stronger in Pre-ECNL last year. I'm not really looking forward to any new teams being added. There will be an adjustment period for those teams. Travel has definitely been better, though. One game a weekend has been nice, too.
The competition in ECNL isn't as strong as it was last year either. When do teams need to decide if they are going DA next year? Possibly 2 new NJ teams next year.
There will be little if any DA expansion next year.
ECNL and NPL will form a more competitive structure through US Club Soccer.
Ecnl and npl are both a joke at this point. The teams in those leagues are no better and are just a scam at this point to get parents to spend more money.
Whole thing is becoming a joke. Everything is just Ok and there is no obvious choice to consolidate strongest players. Some GDA teams are strong and have to beat on the weaklings. I see 6, 7, 8, 10, even 11 goal spreads in some GDA scores every weekend. Same in the ECNL (have not seen speads quite as severe there). Probably in the NPL as well. Ughh.
11:11 - I agree. DA competition is relatively poor and now ECNL competition is also weak. I don't really understand the ECNL bashing though. I agree that the DA is good for older girls by removing the high school break, but at this age the girls have been training and playing all year already. You'll love the DA if your kid is top 5 and playing the full game. If not, you're not going to like it since you'll be playing 50% or less and committing almost every day of the week for 10 months to the team. For that reason alone, I believe ECNL is still viable. Why give up playing for school when you're playing less than 50% and the competition isn't even that great? College is the goal for pretty much every girl on the DA team. In that case, are you really going to play EDP / Pre-DA at U16 if you don't make a dual age group DA team? And do you want to make a DA team as player 18-26 in your younger year and not even dress for games?
This is a U14 forum. Have you seen high school games?
Is 8:33 saying a player needs to play in either DA or ECNL to play in college? If your kid can't make a DA or ECNL team then forget about it! Just play highschool.
NL, DA, ECNL, all three are great leagues. All three will help your players get into a college to play this amazing sport. This is not the time to worry about what league, its the time to think about next season, and where your club is thinking about showcasing. U15 is the start. Make sure your club has a game plan. Make sure your coach is qualified to bring a team to showcase. Whole new set of rules now. Any team that says Jeff Cup is enough, you should find a new team. U15's should do a minimum of four showcase events. Don't be shocked if you need to purchase airline tickets, rental cars etc. The transition from U14-U15 is usually the last time a player will switch teams. They will try out for stronger more organized teams with game plans on showcasing, then stick with that team throughout high school. Just a quick hmm don't forget the extremely elite girls who play up one or two years will be coming down eventually to play age appropriate. Most coaches will not say no to that talent. Less then six months till tryouts...
I say bull! It's not necessary to be on a NL, DA or ECNL team to play soccer in college.
Red Bull is pretty good too. Better than those leagues.
@2:55 PM..... I agree with your point. Those three league do stand out more then say EDP or NPL. They are established and well respected. I also agree with 5:20 PM, you don't need those three to get into college on behalf of soccer but, it sure does help. I also agree on the the players who are currently playing up. Its an issue for teams. There is currently a player in our area who plays up two years and is lights out. I assume she will go age appropriate sooner or later and take someones position on a team.
@2:55,@10:29......having fun talking to yourself!
Who else is there to talk to on these dead forums?
The top players on any edp 1 div team can find an appropriate fit for college soccer. Even the best players with drive and passion on Div 2 edp teams. The chances significantly decrease after that - not impossible though. Saw one of those players who was playing up 2 years and this season played age appropriate. She didn’t stand out during the game. She was just as good as any of the other talented players. She probably did knock a player off the team though. Probably a lot of players could play up and compete though.
By u14 it is becoming less of a difference between a 13/14 year old and older players. By u15 it is high school age when a four year span is the norm. .
CSA beat Penn Fushion 1-0
National League just expanded their entire program. Great news for this age group, who play on NL teams.
Why would npl just not fold. There isn’t any relevance in that league anymore. Most can get beat by low or medium level edp teams at this point. The only benefit is many teams get to drive like half the country just to get a beat down.
Lots of kids play in Npl. Why fold? All these leagues are only "relevant" to the kids, parents and staff involved. Anyone that wants to play in EDP can go play in EDP. Who cares?
EDP has NPL division for those who want to argue.
Go watch a dA game and you will see npl and edp don’t look that bad, dA is overrated and teams are all weak .
Lol.... yeah all the DA teams are weak. Go back to playing MOSA, what a fool.
At this age the DA teams are weak. With so few teams you would think the level of talent would be more concentrated and therefore better. If you don’t see that then who’s the fool?
You are absolutely the fool. These are 13 year old girls and you expect them to look like the USWNT every time they take the field. Lighten up.
WNT does not start until U17. So silly.
It got quiet in here. How is futsal going?
When PDA is struggling, the birds stop chirping
Sorry.. meant to say "GDA is struggling"
any Jeff Cup surprises?
Taking my daughter to the Jefferson Cup is my penance for the year.
SJEB vs FC Fury in futsal tournament. Great games. Each team split in 2 groups.
That wasn't sjeb it was a fustal team made up of girls from sjeb and other teams
That was a footstool team. The Jeff Cup surprise is when you get a speeding ticket trying to get to Your Field in a rush.
??? a little too early to be drinking 9:08.
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Liverpool, the team that is in the bottom flight of edp and went zero wins and 8 losses with a goals for of 3 and goals against of 34? That’s the best bargain money can buy? I know you had some great success with a prior team, but nothing with your team suggests academy. Good luck with that. There are so many better options in the area.
Can’t knock the guy for trying. C’mon, it’s hard to break into a roster of one of the better options in the area. May be the only option for some.
Wait, is that true 1214? Why is that team even in edp if it can’t even compete? It sounds like the team should be in bottom flight of south jersey, not bottom flight of edp. It is really poor coaching to put a team at a level that it cannot compete in. But I guess parents are idiots and hear the word academy and think they are getting something special. Can’t exactly blame the guy for finding a way of taking people’s money, if people just gonna throw it at him. But honestly, would you want your daughter to join a team that gets trounced every time they step on the field, and by teams that are average in competition? Especially when there are better options? Either the players on the team are not worthy of being in an edp flight or the coaching/program is failing the players by not putting them in a position to compete.
If you watch the live stream games, you can see the only team that played well coached, disciplined possession soccer is PDA. Sorry CSA parents, but you can see your team is about hard fouls and long balls. The goalies punts every time and they kick to the corner and hope someone can collect the garbage in front of the net and finish. Penn Fusion has but one option and that’s kick as far as you can and have one of the most dominant players in DA get the ball and finish. And to an even bigger point is PDA had the largest group of girls moving along this National Signing Day to D1,D2, D3 colleges. No other club was even close. If college is your ultimate goal. Just an opinion. Don’t Hate.
That comment was random. Was it meant for the 04 page?
Funny that the only team that plays nice soccer lost 4 games, 2 to that awful Penn Fushion team and 1 to the god awful CSA team.
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4 NJ teams in top bracket at this age group at Jeff Cup? Is that a first?
Where are the mighty Stallions?
Well... last year top bracket had 2 groups, this year top bracket has 4 groups. Also missing some DA teams.
So PDA SKYBLUE is sending 3 players to the USWNT camp. I'd say that qualifies as good soccer!
How many 2004 are they sending?
Good news for cedar stars. It will be another easy win.
one 2004 and 2 2005. the 05 midfielder plays with 04 a lot and is really good
PDA has some talented girls at the 2004 age, the one that was selected is average at best. She was selected because of her size.
Sounds like sour grapes pal.
The 04 selected is a goalie right? So yes, size should matter.
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Her team lost every Futsal game last week.
hard to believe. are they even allowed to play futsal outside of GDA?
it's us soccer futsal. so that's allowed. but that's very strange if she wasn't able to stop shots in front a net that 1/3 or less of the normal sized one. the political picks have to stop.
Futsal and soccer amounts to apples and orange
Not for goalies it’s not.
Actually Futsal is very reliant on your goalies ability to react quickly and stop shots.
Us futsal is different than us soccer futsal. I assume you are talking about event in Atlantic City?
Congrats to the three players! That’s very exciting!
6:36 - us soccer futsal is for boys only right now according to the website. i didn't hear about us soccer protesting us futsal participation for girls.
The GDA rules say no to external competition from GDA players - I guess it must be blessed by PDA?
Futsal is a joke if you are using that as an evaluating tool to find players for US camps. everything is different on the field of play. it only showcases certain skills at certain positions. it doesn't surprise me with the way US does things. The bigger you are the more chance you have. Maybe thats why our programs aren't going in the right direction????
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Don’t forget nepotism and size that works too. The 04 goalie, please has been handed spots since U12, parents are good whiners do they have USA camp for that too. More NJ goalies are picked based on who they know rather than what they know. 02 goalie WNT lol her uncle is Tim Howard. These girls may be average good but they had doors open for them. Political picks will always happen!
CS new coaching director is desperately trying to cancel tomorrow’s da games vs pda because he’s afraid of getting beat up in his first games as the coach.
If they play - lets hope PDA plays better than the last time. I'm sure girls should treat it as a potential tryout. Hopefully their old coach, GN, will be there representing CSA.
Thoughts on tourney this weekend. Looks like even competition. Whose the favorite? Westfield, watchung, bordentown or reading?
Any thoughts on the brackets for Jeff Cup?
.. just wishing SDFC was at the Jeff Cup.
Why aren’t they?
Woodbridge team from Canada will win first flight.
SDfc will be in Las vegas for national league the same weekend as Jeff Cup
Would have been great to see Woodbridge vs SDFC. Oh well.
Didn’t SDFC lose a lot of their top players to WC?
Why would SDFC players leave for WCFC when WCFC is ranked 2 points lower on YSR?
Penn Fushion goes for the sweep against PDA this weekend.
Penn Fusion will lose
PDA hasn’t beaten Penn Fushion, why do you think they will now?
Ugh. More sweeping than at Olympic curling event today.
PDA in 3 games vs Penn Fusion, 1 goal. No doubt who the best time am in the area is.
Let me guess - is it CSA? They are on a rip!Don’t blame PDA their coach went to CSA. They will find their form soon.
Obviously the best team in the area is Penn Fushion.
According to the GDA results CSA beat the fuchsia team. Not affiliated with eather team. Just calling out BS here.http://www.ussoccerda.com/sam/standings/ss/view_game_report.php?eventId=4141803&teamId=3988223
USA soccer must do away with parent involvement aka team mom and dads there is huge favoritism!!
Is there anything you people don’t complain about? Maybe your kid is just not that good and that’s why she isn’t playing.
You put her on the roster you club and you cashed the darn check. Teach her to play and put her on the field or don't put her on the team. You are the soccer experts that chose her for the darn team , not me.
Maybe you should ask to be moved off the team to a team that suits her skill level.
Sometimes the people doing the evaluations get it wrong. I am sure there are some kids who deserve a DA spot that didn’t get picked and some who got picked maybe shouldn’t have. The process isn’t perfect.
Wake up parents...your daughter may not as good as you think.Not everyone gets on the da team.Or go to penn fusion and she can be number 18+ on roster and never play but you do pay.
Not true. If you are on Long Island you can get on a DA team just by trying out.
Maybe responsibility should be taken for making a mistake. By soccer clubs included. What a concept. If you did put a kid 0n the wrong team fix it. But for the season where u made the mistake,.fixing it does not mean benching a player. You take the payments so do your job.
Walk on gda is not just on LI.
They don't make a mistake. They want the money. These kids are 13 and have been playing for years. Some improve and some stagnate but it is not showing blank slate at 13 with these evaluations. Even most if the players know how to rank each other.
The sooner you all accept that youth soccer is first and foremost about money the better off you'll be. Especially girls soccer. Did you see what USSF had in the bank end of 2017?Check this out and think about it...http://the18.com/soccer-news/algarve-cup-cancels-final
You know they want the money if you are talking DA (or any club, really). The requirements mean that they are losing money by having less 'elite' teams due to age banding, so the rosters expand to compensate. It looks like the clubs will go to a younger pre-DA year, like pre-ECNL next year, too.
So picture this scenario...club gets DA brand with press release...Players flock to the club for tryout and dreaming of making the DA team...do you think the club will add whatever number of teams they need to keep the non-DA players?F... A they will. All about money!!!
Except that they did not do that.
How about you say "the club I know didn't do that"I know many clubs that did.
Roster size matters!!!
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So New Jersey repped Jefferson cup like they all shoulda stayed in New Jersey.
Who won the Penn fusion vs Csa game?
pf won 2-0
It's real quiet in here.
People too busy living life. Any info on FC Pennsylvania Strikers? How does that work with only one team at a time? the 99/00 are aging out.
How come folks from Texas have no class when it comes to youth sports?
What do you mean?
Solar beat PDA 5:4http://www.ussoccerda.com/sam/standings/ss/view_game_report.php?eventId=4993886&teamId=3983540Then parents from solar are insane.
Yeah the parents from Solar are crazy...lol
Which club has the worst coach sideline behavior? Coaches that scream at their players or yell at the ref or trash talk opposing team.
The worst I’ve seen was stallions... constant badgering of his own players calling them the worst and worse... players on the field that talked trash and couldn’t back it up- fc copa and cherry hill. Worst parents that were loudest and least knowledgeable, Washington twp and Wall township. Best parents and team play: westfield and fc berna
so PDA pulls out of DA and says there will be 2 ECNL teams - 2 top flight teams and everyone should be proud to be a part of something so big - I hope everyone uses their brain - most have their girls play ECNL to go to the ECNL showcases and nationals - if only 1 team goes - why are you on an ECNL team anyhow? they just want to keep our money and keep us from going elsewhere - its all about money at the end of the day - business as usual
So why is PDA leaving the DA?
PDA and Stars leaving the DA means the Northeast conference of ECNL is now much stronger than the DA conference(s) in the area. This is a mess
I always viewed GDA as a power play by US Soccer. I'm not surprised any club would pull out of GDA. Who needs the interference from US Soccer. PDA and FC Stars have a long track record of developing players. US Soccer should be asking PDA and FC Stars how to grow the game, not trying to micromanage their operations. There a many national organizations that do a great job promoting youth sports. US Soccer is not one of them.
It sure seems like DA will be a bust in this area. The first year hasn't been competitive due to the new clubs added, and now the issue will be worse with PDA leaving the mid-atlantic. If a bunch of other top clubs around the country leave as well, like rumored, it's hard to see this league lasting. I should say that not having had the ECNL experience, the refs have been good, the tournaments / showcases have been well run and have had very good level of competition. That comp level really illustrates the weakness of the local division.
Biggest problem with GDA is the sub rules. How does a kid learn to play sitting, how can a coach talk to a player struggling that day and help them past it if the player comes off and cannot go back in till next weekends game. Anyone else think the fields in North Carolina were less then good. All the time and money to play average talent on muddy sub par fields. College rules allow subbing as many times as they want, why not play as college does? Just a few reasons why DA does not work.
Agree. And the fields in NC were not good.
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