10.33 they are the only team from jersey that can play with the big cats. The one team they played to overtime beat another nj club 7-0. Pda is one of the "big cats". So stop the jealousy now. Your club will never be one. That's the reality.You are a complete asshat, they are 11 and 12. What a loser.
Why are they crating a girl DA? There are already dozens of options of where to Play. Why not just give some support to or exert some pressure for the changes they want, on the existing programs they feel have potential? Is everything out there beyond correction that want to start a completely new program? There are multiple leagues and ID programs already in existence.
@10:01Because dozens of options are all expensive.The reality is that no matter how much training an 'unathletic' kid might receive, the coaches tend to drift to the athletic kids. A slower, less athletic player would have to be exceptional at a particular skill to warrant a spot. So, in order to broaden their horizon to any underpriviliged kids that might not have the resources to play for a top club, the DA will allow them to get quality training, so long as they can get there.This will have a small impact on ECNL clubs, but nothing will really change. Kids leaving ECNL for DA will just be replaced with somebody else from a lower team with $2000+ to fork over for training.Having a DA in place instead of a results-oriented club that pursues wins to get Gotsoccer points to qualify for tournments is the right thing to do for those that are gifted enough to make it.
I agree the cost of high cost soccer is too much talent excluded from game. But why not just solve that problem with one of the existing leagues?
It's like fighting for the right to have the better "crap player development program/league". All those leagues/clubs/coaches base their "success" (wins) on athletic abilities instead of development. I never hear anyone talks about real soccer development in this blog (which is about decision making and the proper execution of that decision.. ie doing the right thing at the right time). None of those programs set up an environment for the player to learn that (Key point here... it's not about teaching them soccer but more about guide them and help them solve the problems that the game presents). The problem with the approach i just described from a parent point of view is that they don't know how to evaluate the implementation/effectiveness of such an approach by a club/coach. I hear people brag about their team playing possession soccer but i still haven't see any of those so called top teams in NJ produce real possession soccer (which requires above average decision makers all over the field). However, as parents we can quantify wins, we can quantify costs, we can quantify coaches' background so we use those things to determine the worthiness of a program or a league, when in fact those things has nothing to do with player development. just my 2 cents but it's one of those things that nobody wants to hear about because that might require educating yourself about the game to really gauge the worthiness of your program.
Kids move from ecnl to dap? If the dap is funded, why wouldn't talent from all leagues go to dap?
@12:51 Come on over to match fit or pda ecnl if you want to win and leave your ctappy little team.
Hahaha that's funny ecnl..just know your kid won't be on the encl team next year after she gets cut
Wait to see what teams are on top next season after birth year change..03s gonna have a rude awakening.
Hope the dap will not be crap.
Dap.should start at u12 if like boys side correct?
There are generally huge turnover rates from U13 to U15. Sometimes over 50%. As the disparity in size evens out, the athletic kids and/or the technical kids start to stand out.All of the sudden the fast striker at U9 that scored goal after goal can no longer just run by everyone. Chances are, that team did not bother to develop the rest of the team, as they chased wins and trophies.I agree with 12:51. True development is playing all players at different positions, regardless of the score. The problem is that PAGS, EDP, or any other league places a higher priority on winning so that they can update their website. Remember, it's a business. Asking a current league to soak up the costs and develop players for free is not economically viable, unless you are PDA and have multiple teams at each age group to draw income from.If you look at Rutgers, a majority of them are ECNL players. The ECNL does offer great exposure at the higher age brackets. But, for right now, all the emphasis should be on development. The DA will help the cream of the crop. But, all too often, there are plenty of girls that might be worthy but burn out or do not receive the necessary training to get them over the top. Sad, but all too true.
Dap starts when girls are 11. Ecnl start when they are 13. One is about id and development. One is about showcasing for college.
Why are 2003s going to have a rude awakening? Clubs know they are stepping up, and if anything are going to be given a year to transition. Plus, it's not like they are going up a full year, just a half year. Most will make the move just fine, and could be better off because they will be playing with better stronger players.
Of course Rutgers is mostly ECNL kids, they're coaches are connected to PDA so they go the lazy man's route for recruiting and offer scholarships to their own kids. Please give the whole story when speaking about ECNL.
So, the lazy man's route produced a top 10 ranked college team that went to the College Cup semis before losing to PSU, the team that won it all????????? Rutgers had the best defense in the country. Two of their four losses came against PSU in the Big 10 tournament and College Cup semis.There is something to be said for taking players that are already familiar with one another or play a style/system that is familiar to one another.
And PDA has incredible talent with players all over the country. The team that is now college sophs was sick. In many ways Rutgers is an extension of PDA, moreso than the reverse. Same coaches etc.
PDA Lyon bumped up to the top bracket for U13 EDP - full max 9,000 point value. I'm sure they are not chasing points but it will be interesting see how they do. Looking at gotsoccer, one of the teams in the bracket, Arsenal, has beaten them before but it was 2 years ago.EDP Brackets/pats values...http://home.gotsoccer.com/rankings/event.aspx?EventID=49344
The 11 V 11 North division is better, top to bottom than the 11 V 11 Central division and yet the Central is worth almost 3,000 more points...What a joke
Lyon in the U13 central. The best U13 EDP league is Central by a mile. I think you are referring to U12. But even if you are - you are way off. The national rank average for the north is like 107 wand central average rank is in the 50''s. It's not even close. Based on the team's histories, Central issue way better and deserves the higher points. That's how the gotsoccer system works...
My daughter's team has played many of the teams in the North and Central. The North is by far the better division. The Central has 2 good teams Voorhees and Real NJ, everyone else is average at best.
I think PDA Lyon should do very well. I hear they just picked up an amazing striker .
Well hello Mom of the new Lyon player lol! Tell us about your daughter and what position you'd like her to play!
Not the mom of the player , just a parent who hears things at US training
Where did striker come from..and is she a 03 or 04
The few times I've seen her at tournaments and such she's been a striker . She might be an 04 playing up but I'm not positive.
I think she is 04 too. Who really knows...Nobody on this board!!!I thinkmost people here just make stuff up like seeing her play...Where? I think she iis from out of state and may not even been playing U12 so fibs all around lol. I would bet nobody has seen her play except for some scrimmages with Galaxy months ago.I think she had a tryout with the U13 Galaxy first but since she is like 04, Lyon may have been more realistic.US training center? So? What does that mean at this age anyway? Some coach with a connection sends an email & recommends a player and the kid gets to workout for free with some college coaches - yada yada, Show me you are good & I'll buy itAs for seeing her play striker - who knows what position she plays? I mean we are like 6 weeks away from real games and I bet it's ALL speculation. The coach may never even seen her play a real game. All BS!
How is she an 04 playing up on a u12 team?
Playing up before she came to PDA.
Sounds like she is amazing, I'm surprised she didn't walk on and start with Galaxy if that good.
A 2004 player born in Aug, sept, oct, nov, or dec is playing up to u12. The cutoff right now is July 31.
I love this board! You guys are hilarious! The fascination with PDA - even when its sarcastic cracks me up.Most of the big eastern PA clubs know this player who was playing U13 and doing well. If she is playing U12 this season at PDA(this board makes up A LOT of stuff) - its just her proper age group. Was not u11 player playing up 2 years lol…
the striker is an 03. She left her team and was playing on u13 penn fusionWas this a rumor at the jersey training center? I didn't hear this at the pa training center last month
7:33 you are incorrect . She is an O4 an left PennFusion after a short time because the players were not very excepting of her . Jealousy can do that .
PF breeds a nasty environment. No shock here.
"Who cares about this player! There are lots of good ones!"On Lyon she'll just be one of the girls, which is a good thing. Deep team of friendly , like minded, competitive girls. I bet she will learn a lot, get better and if she likes a competition, she is on the right squad now.
It seems the best way to make a PDA team seems to be play up an age group, do well there, then come down an age group. I have heard this at several age groups there. If you wanted in - would it be a better idea to play up, then try out there right aged?Isn't it just good enough to be the best player on your competitive say U12 team them come to tryouts? Is that a pipe dream?
The best way to make PDA Lyon would probably be to be really good at soccer - which of course everyone's daughter here has a great shot!
You had best have sizeable budget for kid soccer to go with your talent if you want to join a high level club.
Bragging that the biggest academy in NJ has the best team, that's sad. Lyon is good, but we see how they do against South Shore.
Who is bragging about Lyons, I don't see it recently? Folks, everything changes in a few short months. Our 03 girls will be challenged to have to compete with a very good older team, stacked with 03 players/starters and I believe the 04 girls will stay at 04, except possible one very strong girl on Lyon. I also think many 03 will be put on second team in transition. The club will be very strict in keeping girls age appropriate, because everyone will believe their kid should play up with the girls they have been playing with for years. It's going to get ugly, you will see a lot more of this whining(frustration) when the BYC happens. It will be about politics, other parents agendas, coaches and mean girls when things don't go our way. I have an 04 and will be happy to stay at new age change.
I doubt you have an 04 at PDA as you know posting here can get you removed from the club. I love when the fake PDA posters come on here starting trouble. It happens on every age board."I have an 04" - your daughter probably plays for Metuchen or Sparta!
If PDA has that rule, kudos. Wish more clubs would do just that.
Dealing with "biased" now. Talent comes after ass kissing. Frustrating! Makes me sick to watch the same parents up in the coaches face every practice and boy do their kids play!
Hey a cup of coffee goes a long way
@ 10:42 It works fine, for a while. The more mediocre play the lion's share while the stars are put in as little as possible to secure the win. Guess who takes credit for success? But, then those stars start leaving and the whole thing falls apart. Then, they have the craziest explanations as to why things aren't working anymore and/or the most delusional spin on why their decline demonstrates they are still no. 1.It's soccer. Vote with your feet.
You are a dead give away 108. You should stop, now you are fighting with your new team parents. what a way to start off on a new team, just like you left the last one. Good luck PDA.
10 42 post? I don't see it.
1:20 you sound like a jealous parent who's trying to stir up trouble on a team where there is none. It's really pathetic ! Are you that worried about your daughters spot on the team ?!?!?
Doesn't sound like the poster is on your team and I would assume probably happy not to be, just like the people from PF.
Just keep telling yourself that lol
What tournaments are the top teams headed to this spring?
@10:42 shoulda been 10:54 sorry.Suffice it to say, whenever there is an unholy alliance between the mediocre players' families (who have delusions of adequacy) and the poor players' families (trying to avoid the bench or being cut) there's trouble for the top players. Nobody will tell you this flat out. As you can see above, they stoop so low as to undermine another kid. Really the only thing they can do besides acceptance, which isn't too palatable to them. Comical when it's the people from these very teams that have a history of drama and fireworks driving kids who are better than theirs off time and time again (and again and again). Yet, they spin it as if those leaving and have learned to be aware of and avoid the same situation have some kind of "pattern". Maybe count how many times people leave you instead?
4 of the top 5 U12G teams in NJ by gotsoccer will be at The Jefferson Cup,
Voorhees isn't top 5 anymore losing kids left and right something isn't working over there. They are gonna have a long year I think it will be the last run for them and the team will split up
She will get over powered at the U14 level, physical game is that much of a difference U14 from U12.
"I heard Mike O is looking at this new player from Fusion to guest at Jeff Cup with his u14 team."Hilarious stuff!
"She will get over powered at the U14 level, physical game is that much of a difference U14 from U12."And the most gullible award goes to...
Funny how PDA folks say they aren't supposed to be on here but they are SO fast to respond to any comment about them.That's what's so hilarious.
you sound like a moron. That could have been anyone saying that to rip on another poster. it was a joke and you fell for it too.
Anyone can act like anyone on an anonymous blog. Lots love to stir the pot. Pathetic? Yes.
U14 will be 2003s in the fall. Little more physical, but not a huge difference from where the kids are now. Especially if they have been playing at a high level. Growth is an issue as we are getting to the age where some kids have started the huge growth spurt and others have not. You can be the toughest 80 pounder out there, but you are still going to struggle against kids 20-30 pounds heavier.
All I ask is that whatever 2004 team ends up being the PDA A-team please don't come on here and tell us how great they are. No one cares. Thank you
I get it. I hate the patriots too and loved seeing them lose. I hate winning organizations. I won't ever consider PDA.
Biggest academy in NJ with the most "influence", you should have the best teams. Patriots are cheaters, nice role models...
Love it...equating a kid soccer team to a a professional NFL team. too funny. What network is carrying the games?
Would you ask a u18 girl who just won national championship and going to play d1 and maybe beyond - what kid soccer team they play for?I think they would look at you like the a$$ that you are.
Mallory Pugh will leave her kid soccer team soon and can play college, the natl team or pro. What kid soccer team does she play for this year?
This is a U12 girl's soccer blog. IF you compare your kid to a professional NFL player you should expect to be mocked a bit.
You do realize that the players pay PDA to play and Patriots pay their players to play.
not mine. She doesn't pay a dime. keep mocking me.
I did not realize she was receiving free u12 soccer. Who needs a pro contract when u can get that. My bad.
you made the comment, I just told you we don't pay. What else?
So you receive financial aide then.
Can someone show me where the nfl player comparison is? What am I missing?
Someone just compared people hating on their superstar U12 team to people hating on the superstar Patriots as they are both such success stories. Someone made fun of the post and then it just got dull and over. Move on.
Not much discussion here about Jeff Cup flights. Predictions?
Well PDA Lyon and Voorhees are in the top flight of 12 teams form all around.SDFC in the 2nd flight of 8 top teams from all around too.7 or 8 other NJ teams in the next 10 flights! Like 12 flights altogether at U12z
Listen I'm sure all the teams in the top bracket are there for a reason. I'm sure most games will be competive. No one really knows anything about these teams outside of Jersey. Predictions will be useless. So let's all wait to see how things play out. Not to mention they are 12.
looks like 4 brackets of 3 in flight one. Play two games and the winner of bracket a v d and winner of b vs c play each other and winners play in final…May be a similar thing for 3rd & 4th place ...
4:43 what does kids age have to do with making predictions?im expecting Lyon to advance but charlotte could give them a good game. Semis against waza could be tough too. Voorhees won't make it out of their bracket (again). SDFC should be in top flight but committee couldn't let too many NJ teams in. Real or SAC from the third flight. laughable middletown is in fourth flight. town teams will continue to get no respect as kids get older. AFFC or BRYC will beat Richmond in 8v8
I didn't realize you have seen all these teams play in the last 6 months. My bad.
Many of these teams were at Bethesda. Its not difficult to go on Got Soccer and see how teams are trending.
Tryout season is upon us. Where is everyone looking- for 03 and or 04? with the DA coming, the pull of ECNL may have diminished already
Depends on whether or not you expect a club to be a girls DA.If you do, then it might make sense to try out at that club, so that they can get a year long evaluation.
I don't care about da or ecnl. I think we'd be better off without them at this age or at all. Then there wouldn't be a need for everyone to flock to one or two clubs, which leads to inflated rosters, hours of commuting, less team cohesion and a lot more imho. I'd rather many good teams and a lot of competition. I prefer the old way of doing things where odp was for the elite players and was a supplement to their regular club play not a replacement.
Agree. This is turning something fun into a beast.
Don't see the need to jump clubs if your daughter is happy with current club. Hard to tell what next year will look like with almost all team rosters shuffled. That only works for those who are happy though. Personally looking forward to the shuffle!
My kid is a 04 we are in the south I was thinking SJEB/rush/PDA south that is about all the options I have. If I was closer to the north I would put her on PDA north but I won't make that drive where I live
We are more north but I don't think I want to deal with PDA from the things posted on here. Is there team comraderie at PDA or is it an each man for himself type of place? I want great training and teammates but I also want my daughter to feel like she is part of a team with great friends on the team.
Don't let an anonymous forum have too much importance in decision making process. Do your homework and make a choice. But I think it is obvious that a big bucks, high level league will be a hyper-competitive environment. Whether you find that beneficial or detrimental depends.
You can get that at PDA, 8:16.But, as 9:03 mentions, don't listen to us.Do your homework. Get permission to attend a practice and to be evaluated. If there is talent there, they will let you know. Some kids need more time. At the end of the day, your kid needs to be happy.
8:02 I'm in the south also with an 04 at the u11 side right now. Those teams you mentioned are not the only options we have. I saw a team called Washington United at a tournament in the fall and they seemed pretty decent. Hoping to catch their try out in Gloucester somewhere. Also gps is from ocean city or something. Looking into that also.
Attending a practice is a better option for a team and player to size up one another than a tryout situation.
There are higher ranking teams in the south than Washington United and NJRush. Looking at the edp 1st div central are quality teams to check out for the bc for '04.
Just because you are higher ranked, what maybe 7-10 more places, that you are way better? No that's just people chasing points for got soccer.
I notice that when any team that is brought up that isn't a pda, Rush, etcetera... They seem to get redirected immediately like this is a recruitment forum to get parents to break the bank for their kid to play soccer. Why not spend more time on the 90% of the girls instead of the 10%. There are tons of solid teams out there worthy of discussion that is not some bs academy. Just saying. There is so much great soccer in this state and this blog turns their back to them.
This blog is for the parents form teams that win tons of youth soccer to justify why that is important and for the parents form teams that win less games to justify why that is important.
"My kid is a 04 we are in the south I was thinking SJEB/rush/PDA south that is about all the options I have. If I was closer to the north I would put her on PDA north but I won't make that drive where I live"Yeah you would just put her on PDA North! That's what 100 or so Dads said last year at tryouts but only one or two got "put" there!Also many people say you should come to train with the team first. It could work against you. PDA A LOT of girls who come to train with a certain team but I have never seen one be put on a team from there. Most if not all of the new players at PDA come through the try-outs...
you can't just 'train with a team' because they are all changing for next year. The only reason to really train with a team before tryouts is to see if you like the coach and even that is not definite because how do you know the coach of the u12 team will be the coach for your daughters age next year. I think there will be a lot of confusion and misinformation this tryout season
You realize the trial practice with the team is not just for the team to evaluate the player. It is also for the player to evaluate the team. Players check out clubs and teams and say "thanks but no thanks" for many reasons. It is a 2 way street.
Exactly! The only reason I would take my daughter to train with a team is to see if she liked the team. I would never take her to a training session as a tryout.
56 new teams added to Academy Status Country wide. Good news for the girls side when they start up Girls Academy next year. Right now only PDA, Match FIT, and NJCSA have Academy status in NJ on the boys side.
Only at U12 age I believe.
And the DA has 2004 playing U12 2016-2017 while the rest of the more slob 2004s will be playing U13. Special accommodations for special players - meaning talented young boys.
meant poor slobs.
IF that is what is best for the boys, why not the girls?
04 is 04. regardless what title you give the age group. U12 or U13 - it is still 04.Man people just like to complain a lot about nothing.
3:49Why is it that every time someone is ahead of you in GotSoccer, it's suddenly "point chasing"? Of the top 10 teams in the rankings, who doesn't belong there? I think if you took the time to look at each team's history including the leagues they play in and the tournaments they go to, they aren't chasing points but rather doing well in the things they play in. So when teams like Washington Township can do better than finishing fourth in a 2nd division EDP league and actually place or win at top tournaments (not the Morris United Fall Kickoff), then they can start calling other teams "point chasers".
In 2016-2017. 04 DA boys will play 9v9. The 04 girls will play 11v11. According to us soccer, the 9v9 is best for development for the 2004 academy boys but not for the rest of the kids? I can lodge a complaint about that since I have girl players and try to have their backs. But yes, the world will continue to turn. It is not a huge complaint but it is a legitimate one and speaks to the us soccer federation's lack of attention or concern with the girl's side.
2:28 just for your information it wasn't a Washington Twp parent who said point chaser so maybe you should slow your roll homie. Because I'm the one who made the comment and my kid plays elsewhere so I'm starting to think you shouldn't give parents/team a bad name and assume they said something wrong. And I do see how teams placed. Just because they placed 4th doesn't mean squat. But you go ahead and keep putting other teams down. Obviously yours didn't do to well or you wouldn't be so bitter.
Penn Fusion Birth Year ID Event 2004 birth yearFeb 14 and Feb 21RSVP
3:33, not true. Age is same for boys and girls and in the 2017 season which starts in August, the 2004/U13 group will be 11v11. The 2005/U12 group will be 9v9.
4:35 I got ya "homie". Regardless of where your daughter plays, your point chasing comment is just as stupid and clueless.
5 05That is incorrect. The US soccer dap 2004 players will be playing 9v9 for 2016 to 2017 season. This issue has been discussed on other forums and on soccerwire.
linkhttp://www.soccerwire.com/news/clubs/youth-boys/dure-age-group-issue-puts-development-academy-in-a-time-warp/sample commentThere are plenty of competitive leagues with high quality players with real potential. Those kids born in 2004 will be forced to miss a year of small sided play and development and be put at a disadvantage compared to the Academy players. It is wrong and should be remedied so as to be consistent with all competitive players and leagues.
Penn Fusion Birth Year ID Event2004 birth yearFeb 14 and Feb 21RSVP
That is actually correct and kind of Ironic. The boys dev academy has decided to implement the new standard fall of 2017 and will play under the old rules this coming fall. So for them 2004=U12 and 9v9 for the 16/17 season.
R E L A X Penn Fusion - We get it, you're having an ID event.
Academy players are taken care of but not girls or non academy players.
Is there truth to the rumor that FC Copa is looking to take over south jersey?
No, they will all end up at PF.
You know what they say about FC Copa. When you can't make it on any other team, you go to FC Copa.
That's mean! Shame on you.
This just in match fit is going da starting u12 girls.
Copa is opening up in Glassboro. No different than what PDA does.
does anyone know when the Penn Fusion ID event is? I'm having trouble finding any info about this. Thanks
It would be nice if all the clubs would post their ID/open houses so everyone can get a look at birth year kids and have our kids see how well they do with them. It makes sense since teams will get torn apart soon. So if anyone else has more team info and dates please post.
From U13 board :http://www.pdasoccer.org/pdaprograms/576154.htmlPDA has winter clinics for non-PDA players.http://www.sjeb.org/dthttp://www.sjeb.org/page/show/1223176-skills-skoolSJEB has club neutral, supplemental training.http://www.continentalfc.org/Talent/index_E.htmlhttp://www.continentalfc.org/Programs/IDA/index_E.htmlContinental FC has Birth Year Talent ID games.FC Philly, LVU, and many others offer supplemental training.You just have to look for it. Do your homework.
All these are free clinics?
Doesn't look like the PDA and SJEB ones are.FC Delco is. On Saturdays, too.
Seen a few age/gender specific events on nj.com youth soccer forums. Washington United had one; heard it was typical positions drills. Also heard SJEB will be having an open training session/birth year event (whatever you want to call them). I would think PDA would have one too
I'm going with free!
Birth year sessions should be free. I don't know why anyone would pay to go to one. They benefit the club because it is so the club has an idea before tryouts of who to look at. It's no different than a tryout. It would be crazy to pay for a tryout
You pay for a tryout so you have skin in the game, meaning you are likely to show up!
I have not come across tryouts for a club team. What clubs charge to tryout? I know mine does not and the few others we had looked at did not either
Any 03's go to PF yesterday?
At least one player from Lower Merion U12 team was there. She was the teammate of the '04 player that eventually went to PDA. I believe she will be a 'discovery' player for PF '02 team for the spring. That team has lost two players.Couple CFC girls went.Not much else. There was more news about PL '02 team that might be breaking up.
Are there any New Jersey team doing the Manhattan tournament? The website is terrible and does not even list registered teams. They have last year's registered teams??!! I mean c'mon!
Any proof Copa is making a move into southern nj?
What's the big deal if Copa is coming to Southern jersey? Just another club expanding if they are
@5:43 it means another choice for those kids located in Southern New Jersey looking for an academy team
There are no "academies" on the girls side, only the boys. Even at that, only NJCSA, MatchFit and PDA have academy licenses. Just because you have the word acedemy in your club name doesn't make you an academy.
Has NJYS published anything regarding its age groups for 2016/2017 and/or whether fall state cups will be changed to calendar birth year divisions.
Think the poster just meant academy in the sense that is not a local, true not- for-profit, community soccer club.
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