i'd also love some input on Match Fit/ Holmdel NJX as we are thinking of leaving town travel to join. We did travel for 2 years and ready for more professional environment (no parent coaches, emphasis on development over winning, etc). But it's a lot more money (1800 vs town travel at just under 1k).
4/25 10:01 I heard they will be built in Holmdel. I'm thinking the Lucent property as the master development plan includes indoor/outdoor soccer facilities.
Why do you feel the need to have your son join an academy level program at U8?
Need is a strong word, but I'll answer. Town program not great (1/week, kids being told to "not cross invisible line" on field). Town reluctantly allowed child to play with older age group, but still is strongest player and gets frustrated with invisible line type rules. Other options are outside clubs or academy. Academy trains more, costs less. Clubs play lots of games, some too focused on winning at young ages, and surprisingly more expensive than academy. Child is obsessed with soccer right now. Plays by self/with family in yard 10-15+ add'l hours/week outside of practices because that's his fun. So what is the problem with putting a kid like this in academy at u8?
My concern about U8 academy is if the program is too serious at too young an age and the player becomes turned off to soccer or moving a child from a good town program and playing with friends at too young an age.
A professional club will offer training structured to the developmental needs of different ages. Training at u9 will be very different from more serious training at u14 and above. A talented and motivated player should get good training, even at 8 yrs old.
PDA is a joke. If anyone is considering it don't waste your time or money. Your kid only moves on if he is favored. There is so much talent there that is overlooked. Nothing but a business. Training sucks. Same thing at every practice. Kids are not developed there They only look for developed kids and the others get pushed around to whatever team. It's all about money. Coaches are no better than any local travel team. If you want your son to be in the best place. It's Red bulls. The only real academy. Start them in RDS as early as possible to have the best chance at their age team.
Or, for those who live in Southern NJ, the Union's Academy.
By "favored" do you mean who they think is most talented and or who they believe has the most potential? If so, wouldn't that be the same at Red Bull? They move up only certain players there too, so why is it better than at Red Bull? Only look for developed kids? Isn't that exactly what Red Bulls does too? I'm not exactly being sold here. PDA is not guilty of anything that every other Academy or big club hasn't or isn't doing. Pushing through what a club considers to be their best talent is what they are suppose to do.
My son is a very good player who just wanted a tryout with PDA's academy team., They wouldn't even consider it. I was told "we know this age group." I think that is a pretty arrogant statement. They don't know my son. If I knew a coach there, you could bet he'd get different treatment. That's favoritism but your right in saying red bulls is no different. NJSA allows open tryouts so maybe they are more fair about forming their team.
PDAs 16 and 18s are not just at the top of their leagues - but also near the top in the country. Must be doing something right.
Clearly a disgruntled parent. PDA are an excellent club with good coaching staff and some of the best facilities in the region. They continue to compete at the very top and as the previous poster said are ranked very high nationally at a number of age groups. Fact is if your son is good enough he will play. At age 14 and up it's very competitive and with the no rolling substitutions it certainly will limit the time a child plays if he is not in the top half of the roster. A Big difference between Redbull is that PDA can accommodate a child in their club team if he is not ready to move up. RB are limited in this respect as they don't have a club team structure so when it comes time to cut (and at least 7 or 8 get cut a year) the child then has to scramble for another club. PDA isn't perfect, no club is but it's a very good option and if you son is lucky enough to have a spot on one of their academy rosters then good for him.
A very good and rational analysis of PDA.
Well done petformance by NJSA today with only 7 players at Super Y U15They should have given the forfeit and let us watch Wotld Cup What a joke they are. PathetIc to consider them an Academy while allowing MatchFit to fold.
Not surprised at all. Why many of us left there....
My son received his email acceptance letter to NJSA yesterday. He is a hard worker and may need new challenges. Is NJSA worth the money? Speaking to several patents its upwards of five thousand dollars a year for registration, tournaments, uniforms and hotel expenditures. Can someone help with some pros and cons?
Regarding NJSA, it was a positive move for us away from a town team with far too much drama. Training is good and my son has a blast every game, festival and practice. To me, and I have played all my life, they are doing things the right way, but the top talent still avoids the club. I can understand why given the bad press they have received over the years. Yes, they will take anyone who can write out a check, but that does not mean the team or program has to stink. If better kids joined the club, all pieces would fall in place.The new facilities, along with the coaching staff and the club's potential, make it a place where I want to be right now. The only gripes I hear from the parents are that they are not competitive enough, which all traces back to the lack of physical talent on the team. If that changes, look out.
But will existing parents, who already have a spot on the team, allow for better players to join the acedemy and threaten their nice comfortable position? I doubt it.
In my own personal experience, I did look very seriously at NJSA last year for my son before deciding on another academy (after playing town for many years). I wanted to assess for myself the cost versus what the boys were getting so I attended a few practice sessions and a few home games of the two clubs he was interested in. I was looking forward to it as the DOT was the coach for the team he was interested in at NJSA. At NJSA it seems the practices consist of a warm up and then a scrimmage on one half the field. I did not see very much instruction (if any at all) other than the coach telling the players to move the ball. At games it was very much kick and run with the coach (DOT) hollering at players instead of providing instruction. Which was very surprising as it seems he came from the Red Bulls as Director of Training and with all our experiences with RB training it was very uncharacteristic. Our present academy (we ended up joining), the practices are better organized and are focused on individual training needs as well as team needs. And much more instruction on game day than what I saw at NJSA. In addition, our club has extra training opportunities such as Striker/Keeper (free) and mid/off season camps (paid) which NJSA does not offer. I believe the academy we chose in the end offers more potential and opportunities in the long run for training and development - which may be another reason as to why top tier players are not joining NJSA.
In response to 12:38, it is my experience that the existing parents won't accept you with open arms, but they don't have any say in the matter. In my son's age group at NJSA, the parents and coaches are not in a cozy, comfortable relationship. In fact it is more the opposite.In response to 2:08, I agree and disagree. I do see some of the characteristics you mentioned - they do let the boys play more in lieu of drills/cones, etc. - but I don't know if that is bad. If you read Manny Schellscheidt's book, it's all about letting the kids learn from the game - not getting in their face 24/7. So I don't know the answer. All I know is that my Son loves playing for the club and has improved greatly in his time there. Interested in knowing which Academy you ended up at.
I would rather not say and hope you understand. It is a very small world in Academy soccer. It was not really the drills/cones I was concerned with as that can be overplay. And I do agree with allowing the players learn from the game but instruction such as recognizing certain game situations/formations or teaching certain skills should be part of the tutelage especially given the vast experience of the staff. Having a group of players together on the weekend would basically do the same thing. But it is the finer points of the game I did not see being stressed. Any coach can tell players to go out and play but at an Academy level and for the money paid, it should go a step further. It seems like your son has a good coach over there. Do the coaches stay with the kids as they progress at NJSA?
Yeah, those rotten foreigners are always picking on the poor helpless pure of heart. There always has to be an excuse.
Top heavy with Latin american players at NJSA. Just look at the rosters. Perhaps the Club feels more comfortable with these players than those troublesome pure of heart players regardless of ability.
In my experience, Latin coaches show favoritism toward Latin players and it is not right but if you don't like it don't go there. A Latino coach really did a number on my son. Lost a lot of confidence and will never be the player he could have been. I wish someone had warned me that this could happen so parents beware!
We have been playing soccer long enough in the US to have, and do have, excellent Americans as trainers and DOT's. There is a reason these foreign coaches are here (including and particularly Englishman)...they failed in their own country. Having an accent does not mean you are a good youth. Moreover, what do they know about helping your child get into a college, it is unlikely they went to college in US, or even went to college.
The reality is one or three players every ten years from NJ is going to make a career playing soccer. Indeed, if you call rising to the top of your profession and earning 35K to start. One player every 15-20 years from NJ will be a star, ie, earning 300K plus. Don't believe the hype they tell you what they can do for your child. They want your money so they can stop working their menial labor jobs. Just take a look at the colleges NJSA sends their players to. Anyone with a pulse could get in to them. They had nothing to do with it.
Just take a look at the colleges NJSA sends their players to. Anyone with a pulse could get in to them. They had nothing to do with it.Absolutely 110% correct. Been to several Tournaments and College Showcases so I am very familiar with the process. College coaches walk around following Red Bulls, PDA, Gottschee, etc.. NEVER witnessed them scouting NJSA 04.They are selling these parents HOPE of a scholarship. Nothing more.
I agree with the college comments of the prior two re Njsa. Just go to agame, there are no scouts ever there. Look at the ranks of any of their teams, it's abysmal. Maybe if and when cedar stars takes over club and cleans house of staff and coaches things will change, but till then forget it.
I don't know anything about the college thing, but I do know NJSA is acting like they have a USSDA 13/14 team when the fact is they don't. The team is now at Cedar Stars. They have not even told the players/parents because they are desperate for the money. And next year ALL of the teams will be the Cedar Stars. All of the NJSA players will be dropped for the cedar star players. Thank you very much for your money NJSA parents but see you later. Its not a merger its a takeover. Just ask NJSA to explain the "merger". They wont because they want your money and are desperate to try and keep their jobs when Cedar Stars takeover so they don't have to go back to double shifts at being a barista at Starbucks.
I think we all would like to hear from NJSA. Do you have anything to say in your defense?
Do not hold your breath waiting.As long as there are parents who haven't a clue as to how soccer training should be conducted, (and who can afford it), this 'Academy' will be a fixture. These egoists will continue to write checks so they can tell all their friends that their kid is in a 'Soccer Academy' It is a rich kid's soccer camp fed by mommy and daddy ego.
Everything will change once Cedar Stars takes over and cleans house
PDA cleaning up at regionals. Great club for both boys and girls.
I've decided after 2 seasons to leave NJSA and regardless of the merger it will be the same atmosphere overall. U13 and up is a total wash out in their eyes. NJSA results prove that. CS folks are focusing on building at the bottom with the hopes of a transformation in 5 years. The current NJSA coaches have an absolute distain for American kids and their bias and favoritism are evident. Anyone that is considering going there look at the results of the past two seasons and the Super Y results, they don't lie like the coaches...
NJSA is completely finished. Tab Ramos wants out, he will be involved in national team as full team employee for next four years. There was a backroom deal -- albeit a good one -- to transfer academy status to cedar stars. The only "merger" is in the eyes, hopes and delusions of current NJSA 04 staff. This is simply a transition year before Cedar Stars takes over and cleans house of all NJSA 04 remnants. NJSA 04 reaped what they sowed with poor coaches other than TR.
So what does that mean for an Academy presence in the Monmouth/Ocean County area?Who cares if NJSA04 is replaced by Cedar Stars in Monmouth county. Probably for the best. But if the whole Academy program is moved up to Bergen county, that would not be good.
Strange how NJSA 04 is the only "academy", indeed only club that has such a series of negative comments. PDA, Red Bulls, not even Match Fit have such a negative vibe. Hopefully TR did not damage his legacy by adding his name to such a scam. Look at the V.P., he sells kitchen cabinets. He started this club to scam parents with $$. The deal was made with Cedar Stars at the executive level of USSF to save TR's legacy as was calling it a "merger". TR is done with the club and this is the way the figured out to allow him to exit while saving his name and legacy. Next year all of their "staff" and "coaches" will be out as they should be.
Again I will ask, as it seems like you have inside information, what does the Cedar Stars "takeover" do to the current CLUB in Monmouth County. Does Cedar Stars take it over, clean house, and we someday have a successful Cedar Stars Academy in Monmouth County? Does NJSA just go away completely (hard to imagine)? I could care less about the current set of NJSA trainers, coaches and administration. If they are bad they should go. Just looking for the best soccer experience for my son that does not involve 3 hours a day on the Turnpike.
Cedar Stars will run the academy out of operation out of Bergen County. NJSA 04 has been telling parents the club will be located in Monmouth. That is an out and out lie to keep players and parents there and paying for another year. Just ask yourself, is Cedar Stars going to bus or have all their first class players and coaches to Monmouth County six days a week. Of course not. NJSA staff and coaches are lying to the parents and then this Fall or Spring all will be advised of the sudden "change" and the Academy will be in Bergen. This is after they have fleeced the parents out of another year of payments. The few lame NJSA 04 coaches and staff will be begging Cedar Stars for a job.Just check Cedar Stars website, ask the club or parents. There is no reference to Cedar Stars "moving" to Monmouth County. That is because it is not happening. Understandably they will be silent on the issue for now as that was part of the agreement for the transition.Current players and parents of NJSA 04 are being fleeced this year and will be left holding the bag and scrambling next year. All will see
The previous poster is correct. I checked cedar star website. Not a mention of "move" to Monmouth County and barely a word about "merger". Lot of talk about being a USSDA though. Looks like they are going to be playing out of overpeck park in Bergen.
USSDA also shows the academy programs that were added and the ones that were revoked. Never is it mentioned that NJSA lost an Academy slot. I think a lot of this "the sky is falling" mentality is overblown.
All part of the USsf deal to transition to cedar stars. Njsa sent a letter saying no u13/14 academy this year as it will be cedar stars. They also had the audacity to say Njsa players could not try out for cedar stars but had to stay with Njsa. If that is not a money grab then what it is and last I recalled this was a free country
We have not yet received a letter stating no 13/14 academy as of yet for NJSA 04. And there are two teams (Cedar Stars and NJSA 04) listed for the upcoming 2014/2015 season Would you happen to have a copy? Please post a copy because under no circumstance will I pay registration fee if this is the case. I do come from up north, and found it interesting when we received notice that current NJSA 04 players could NOT try-out for Cedar Stars unless you received special permission from the Director of Coaching. How can they tell me where to play? Driving 1.5 hours for practice is trying especially when Cedar Stars is so close.It does sound like a money grab for this season.
My guess is they will use this year as a transition year and then form one team. There is no way USSDA will allow two teams at age groups for the same organization.
I saw the post by a reader asking for the NJSA letter that said No U13/14 academy. Parents were then told there would be no NJSA players on U 13 14 Academy. The NJSA 04 players will be club or pre academy depending on their. Like the other poster said, its a last gasp money grab by NJSA coaches before they get the boot.To all NJCSA teams:Hope everyone is doing well and enjoying a great Spring season.As we look forward to the next year and the upcoming tryouts, there have been many questions regarding our partnership with the Cedar Stars Academy and can players tryout at both clubs or move from one to the other.While NJCSA and the Cedar Stars are now one organization, the goal is not to have players transferring within our club. The Cedar Stars Academy will operate in the Bergen County area and will cater to players in Northern New Jersey. NJCSA will continue to make Central Jersey it's home and soon will be announcing the plans for our new soccer complex to be located in the Monmouth County area.The Cedar Stars Academy were recently accepted into the USSDA for the U-14 age group and we are excited to have them join us in this exclusive program. Their current U13 team is Nationally ranked and will make up majority of the roster for the U-14 academy team. There will be very limited spots available to fill the remaining positions on this team. Any current NJSA 04 player wanting to tryout for the Cedar Stars Academy will need to have extenuating circumstances to be considered. It is best for you to contact your coach or our DOC, Antonio Meza, to discuss your situation.We are also excited to have the Cedar Stars Academy now add a Girls program to their club. This is in line with our objectives and goals to continue to grow and develop our current Girls teams.We look forward to seeing you at our upcoming tryouts and continuing your soccer development at NJCSA.Thanks,Jay TeitelbaumVP- NJCSA
And next Spring this same letter will go out and be as to ALL Academy teams except 17/18 as Cedar Stars does not have that age group. That's the deal that was made. Current players and parents below that are being used as patsies.
But there are 2 - 13/14 Academy teams with complete schedules for 2014/2015. How can that be if only Cedar Stars will be the Academy team at that age group? I must be missing something.
The way I read it was that there still will be 2 academy teams but they didn't want the teams to flop players back and forth. One would serve north jersey and one would be central/south jersey. But the thinking is there will be only one next year - Cedar Stars nationally ranked team.So either way, it is a money grab for this year to build the imaginary complex.
"But the thinking is there will be only one next year..."Where did you get that from?
Cedar stars and NJSA are now one club. Only one academy team at each age group per club. The letter states that the majority of player on the team are from Cedar Stars. Draw your own conclusions.
The schedules for the USSDA are out for next year. Academy U13/14 has both NJSA 04 and Cedar Stars teams. They are even scheduled to play one another. There goes that theory of one team per club.
I am not sure about any of the previous comments but it doesn't taka rocket scientist to realize that there will not be two Academy teams for each age group for one club. There are Academy clubs in Texas and California that have 5000 plus players and they all have one team.Also, Cedar Stars has winning teams and winning coaches, a benefactor with deep pockets and connections at the highest levels of USSF. Why on earth would the programs be moved to NJSA's environs, because they having losing teams, losing coaches that have been rejected from other clubs, and their benefactor --TR -- is exiting from the club to work for national team. Come on, wake up people,
Take a week off and it seems a lot has happened!A question I would pose to NJSA 04 Club Team parents. What is the justification in spending three thousand dollars a year to participate in MNJYSA, Maps or CJYSA? Wouldn't a Town Team be a lot less expensive? It is not as though the training or won/loss records are superior. Do any players ever move up to the Preacademy or Academy Teams?
From the Cedar Stars site "NJSA 04 and Cedar Stars Academy Partnership - It is with great pride that we announce the strategic partnership of two of the top soccer programs in NJ,NJSA 04 and the Cedar Stars Academy have formed an agreement that will bring these two organizations together.. "From Wikipedia: "A strategic partnership is a formal alliance between two commercial enterprises, usually formalized by one or more business contracts but falls short of forming a legal partnership or, agency, or corporate affiliate relationship.Typically two companies form a strategic partnership when each possesses one or more business assets that will help the other, but that each respective other does not wish to develop internally."I think it is the fact that NJSA and Cedar Stars can be referred to as "same club" that I dispute. If they are not the same club in the eyes of the USSDA, then Cedar Stars can be added as an academy without NJSA losing their academy status.Hey, don't get me wrong, this is concerning. But lets react to facts, not conjecture.
I guess there is an implied hope here that the Cedar Stars partnership will turn NJSA around and make them legit. Clean house, do whatever you need to do.
any thoughts on world class fc? it's on the border of northern nj and new york...
'I think it is the fact that NJSA and Cedar Stars can be referred to as "same club" that I dispute. If they are not the same club in the eyes of the USSDA, then Cedar Stars can be added as an academy without NJSA losing their academy status'Which is why NJSA 04 sent the letter prohibiting trying out with Cedar Stars. They knew there would be interest in players attempting to move to the better club. Makes sense. And if you did try out with Cedar Stars without receiving permission from Antono Mezza your kid would be blacklisted as 'trouble'. They have their kids held captive.
NJSA says their club is now called NJCSA. It's only logical to think that USSDA won't be listing CSA and NJSA04 separately for too long.
WCFC is pre-academy only at one age, pending yearly review to admit other age groups. Also if you make it this year and other age groups are not admitted, you lose academy status for the next year as you have moved out of the age group. they are also one of the few pay to play academies in the area. But top notch facilities and most coaches are solid. they do have a reputation on some teams as having daddy ball coaches.
My son was chosen for pre academy at NJSA 04 but the recent posts have me concerned. I called to speak with them but got what seemed to be evasive or vague responses about their future status, facilities, player turnover I was told was quite high because of U-11 U-12 coach there.Any thoughts would be appreciated before writing that 3K plus check would be much appreciated.
There have been mass departures of good and very good players from NJSA this spring and now. Let that be your guide.
My thoughts - If you are in the backyard of PDA or Cedar Stars, go there. If not, and your decision is between NJSA and a town club team, I would keep my son with NJSA. It may not be $3K better, but in my experience the training at NJSA is much better than what my son received at his local (and very successful) club team. Oddly though, the overall talent was much higher on his local club team. Just my 2 cents. Good luck with your decision.Regarding all this churn with the Cedar Stars / NJSA merger - you will know in a year if all the aforementioned accusations are true or if the merger results in new NJSA facilities and a new direction for the club.
WCFC is free at the academy level and is a member of NYFC alliance.
'Any thoughts would be appreciated before writing that 3K plus check would be much appreciated.'In additional to the 3K you will be asked to pay $600 for Summer Super Y, anywhere between $1k and $2k for travel expenses to a couple of College Showcases, winter training, winter futsal at tab ramos, a few hundred dollars for fund raising, not to mention gas, hotels, meals for away games if need be. The cost is more realistically close to 6K. And you only receive 2 or 3 sessions a week, which is less than the required 4 sessions the USSDA states.I agree with the above post. Look to PDA or Cedar Stars. And also look around at your local town teams to see the type of training they offer and if additional private training would be necessary and less expensive than the overall NJSA pricetag. I have found very little training difference between a hired solid town coach in a good program and NJSA. I would stay away until everything shakes out with Cedar Stars, it seems you have a couple of more years before it really matters anyway. The last thing you want is to have all the pre academy and academy teams move to cedar stars next year (rumor) and all club teams remain with NJSA. The club teams play in the same leagues as town teams.
Thank you both for your comments. Agreed, it just does not seem they are providing anything above and beyond, other than saying they do. The teams records are all abysmal,
I disagree that the level of training is only average. My son's coach is very good and the festivals they participate in have the potential to be excellent (not there yet). I have found no "daddy ball" influence on his team, which I have no patience for.If the coach at your son's age group is one of the bad apples, then your experience may differ from mine, but I have found the move to be positive.
Glad you have had a good experience.What age group are you? If festival experience and 'potential' is what interests you then the money is well spent. I have been through several coaches at NJSA and none are worth the money. We all want development for our children and all one has to do is look at the records of all the NJSA teams. Not too much development there. Even with slight improvement in development there would be some improvement in results. Even the newcomers to the academy system have been greatly improved as compared to NJSA.
Everyone should give this a read, it is about the German Academy system. (in English)http://static.bundesliga.de/media/native/autosync/dfl_leistungszentren2011_gb.pdf
Lotta negative chat on NJSA - it is always a question of the motivation of those who feel a need to post such negatives that they almost seem irrational. Non-MLS clubs field three levels of boys teams - DA, pre-academy, and club level. Ask the parents of any player who doesn't play at least half a game on any of these teams and you will hear what has been written above - my favorite is equating wins with development - If that is your measurement of development you should play on a team that looks for got soccer points, lots of games and tournaments and by the way - paying for all of it too. All programs have negative rumors- Redbulls eliminated its oldest preacademy team, leaving many of its '98s without a home,(or suggesting they pay to play in a few tournaments) PDA plays fast and loose with the 'no high school' rules and see any of the above about NJSA. The fact is you need to find a team where your player gets at least 50% playing time, plays with others at, or preferably above their level, and has practices with structure and purpose. NJSA U16's beat PDA this Spring, PDA goes to the finals, Redbulls lose in the playoffs - If your kid is on any of those teams and gets time, he is doing very well. True development comes from individual work on the ball and speed and agility. Game play helps tactical awareness and can showcase technique - And as far as cost - if you have 100 events - (figure 3 practices/1 game week x 25 weeks over a ten month season) the actual cost is about $22 session, not cheap but not crazy either.
100x22=2,200Good luck in trying to find a cost as low as that as you have to factor all the add ons as a post mentioned above. And although they claim a 10 month season, it is more like 7.Just my thoughts. I could not care less either way. If you feel it is worth it then just pay and play.
And all of the scheduled practices are never held due to multiple reasons beyond anyone's control. Are the practices made up? Almost never. Are the parents reimbursed? Never. Games are only rescheduled if the league says they have to be.So the total cost keeps growing.
Someone posted on June 10th that MatchFit folded as an Academy. Is this true? They are still affiliated with many town clubs.
NJSA 04 says winning doesn't matter, it is about development, as they pick you pocket. What else are they going to say. Their Academy teams are middling at best, their pre academy teams cant even beat decent town travel teams, and their club teams are just as bad. Show me the development with the older teams: there is none.How come PDA does so much better? It is professionally run from staff to coaches. Sure they have turnover, but they can point to development with their teams.It is the poor coaching at NJSA 04 that is the problem there. It is home of failed coaches -- other than TR -- and their lackeys.
Yada Yada Yada, heard it all before. Empty post, add something constructive.
What would be constructive? Saying how wonderful it is?
It seems that Match Fit still has a u13/U14 academy team but no U15/U16 or U17/U18 academy teams. Could this mean that there will be a new academy in NJ to take their place?There have been some new U13/U14 teams but none at the higher age groups.
Seems like the whole Academy System in NJ is a mess other than Red Bull and PDA.I read the German Academy report (link posted earlier). Seems like they have many more academies per square mile that we do. I wonder how many US kids cannot get the proper training because their parents cannot afford the Academy clubs or cannot get the time off to truck half the state to PDA or RBA.
Everyone agrees that the academy system in the US is too exclusive.Maybe things will change someday.
Philadelphia Union has the best Academy System and is equivalent to the European/South American model. Full day school and training all on the same campus I believe. I think players also have the option to attend their own school and then commute to practice if they decide not to board.Non-MLS Academies will have to work long and hard to get to this level.
PDA Boys 2000 pre-academy won against Raiders FC Premier 7-1 in the NPL National Finals today. Did the same thing last year with their 1999s. They must be doing something right.See all scores here: http://www.nationalpremierleagues.com/NPLFinals/
Looks more like they destroyed them.
It's a nice accomplishment for the boys. One thing to keep in mind is that this is a U13 tournament. Most of the teams are made up of 2001 players while the PDA team is made up of mostly U14 players. It's a flawed tournament from that prospective. Obviously a great showing by PDA and they should be proud. PDA really wanted this win, they even brought down their USDA U14/U16 National team goalkeeper for the games who had never played a minute with the 2000 pre-academy team. By USDA rules, I didn't think a USDA player could be rostered for pre-academy play. Either way it sounds like PDA was much stronger than their competition.
I see at least 4 teams that are 2000s including PDA, so it's probably a mix of both.http://www.nationalpremierleagues.com/schedules/2014/66921250.html
NJCSA or should I say NJSA flunkee's scouring the tournament sidelines this weekend looking for anyone to fill their empty roster spots. Nothing like a total lack of professionalism, when I doing my job your poaching and pitching your petty wares on my parents sidelines. Classless...
I can see that happening. Received a congratulation email last week informing my son that he made a team at NJSA. Oddest thing, he never even tried out. Assuming they have our email from registration and they don't have enough players to fill their roster. That club is flat-lining fast.
Same hear. I am getting e-mails for a Uniform fitting session and my son has not even signed up for team. It is all coming home to roost for them, the "merger" with Cedar Stars not soon enough. Cedar Stars should beware about soiling their name.
"Don't bury me yet, I am not dead............I still have a few naïve parents to pick the pocket of."NJSA
NJSA likes to keep two teams at young age groups. Probably just trying to fill out the second team.
Oh right, two teams double the collections....hey they should try for three...there is no limit to playing on others lack of knowledge and what a parent will do for their child.Its a fact, no real college power is going to look at NJSA 04. Just take a look at any top 30 D1 school roster and there is at best 1-2 player total on them out of all.
Ask yourself, where does all the money go. Certainly not fields or facilities, they have none. And every winter parents get hit up for "indoor fees" going so far that players have to show up a Hamilton to play on most "training sessions". Very Professional
Keep in mind that every age group has an Academy or Preacademy team in addition to two club teams. Parents on these club teams are paying thousands to stay with 'the academy' because they haven't a clue that they are basically on a recreation team playing in Maps. Yes, where do all these fees go? For a team roster size of 25 at three thousand dollars a year it is amazing they do not have every conceivable type of indoor and outdoor facility and superior training already. Sixty to Seventy Five Thousand Dollars a year for EACH TEAM. Mind blowing.
The rants against NJSA 04 and some of their coaches seem a bit extreme. It is a fact, however, that quality players have left three in droves over the past three months.
...so draw your own conclusions as to why that is.
I looked at the standings from past season and NJSA didn't do so badly. They won some games and lost some, and there didn't seem to be any games where they were blown away. Check it out yourself - http://ussda.demosphere.com/standings/index_E.htmlBut I do agree that if your son or daughter can be offered a roster sport in PDA or Red Bull Academy, then you should definitely go that route instead of NJSA.
Asked NJSA 04 about promised new home/fields and was advised that was on need to know basis and I did not need to know. Hmmmm?
Is your son on the team? Just wondering what prompted you to make this inquiry. Seems like people will travel that extra mile to bash NJSA. Seems like personal grievances here... Maybe related to the posts deleted by the administrator?
Of course, why else would I have asked?
Another weekend.....another weekend NJSA 04 trolling for players to fill abandon spots on their teams.
NJSA 04 super Y results are abysmal. They can even beat middling NJ town teams. If this isn't the result of poor coaching, then what is. Where is the accountability.......Oh yeah, we are "developing players"....of course so they are accustom to losing to even mediocore town teams when they get older. Where is the accountability, if these poor coaches were in the real world they would have been sacked from their jobs long ago.
The only reason NJSA )4 allow "open" tryouts for their academy team is they are so weak quality players generally don't go there and they simply have to fill the roster spots.
So yeah, it looks like the U14 NJSA04 Super Y team is not doing so well this summer; but their U15 team is doing OK who have wins over Ironbound and NJ Stallions. Hopefully some changes are made for the 2014-2015 season now that they are affiliated with Cedar Stars. I'm sure George Altirs is aware of the negative history of NJSA04 and is coming in to make some changes - this guy is a smart business man and has deep pockets and I don't think he would invest in anything or tie his name to something to just let it crumble and die. We'll see soon enough; will probably start to see changes not this season but the next.
Given the amount of practice sessions, it is certainly an issue of a poor coach. Also, I have seen that coach scream at players for entire games and practices. Even observed him shoot a ball at players head once. Abusive yes. Express concerns to DOC, they and their child blacklisted.
Have u12 player with spot on pre academy team, whatever that is, at NJSA for fall. AmConcerned about comments about club and coach above before committing to this. Any thoughts about abusive behavior and club in general appreciated?
Looks like NJSA 04 U-13 Super Y team is bottom of barrel as well as U-14. How can they even have academy status if their coaches cant even beat town travel teams?
I don't know much about quality of training, but NJSA 04 does have two and sometimes three practices a week for U-13 which is more than received at town level.
There should be more screaming, yelling, bullying and belittling of twelve year old boys America, perhaps the coach is onto something.
From my experience at the club there has been absolutely no yelling or otherwise abusive behavior. Maybe the previous poster could allude to the identity of the coach in question. If he is not your son's coach, then I would not worry about this behavior.
Thanks for input. It is U-12
That coach is a complete @"-hole. My son was on match fit last season and he screamed at and insulted his players the entire game. It was embarrassing just to be there and watch the spectacle. He is bad news.
Meaning he played against the team that he coached at NJSA. I don't know his name but he was English or scotish.
Academies need to realize they are running a business. It's not just about generating revenue. As in all businesses models there is a customer. Satisfaction of the business’s customer base is important. Along with the product they produce. First, communication needs to be better than “because I said so” or just ignoring the parent. These coaches can’t talk to players and parent the way they do. The language and abusive demeanor towards children is appalling and sometimes the message being presenting to players boarders on human resource violations in American companies (and isn’t this a business.) Secondly, a standard of quality needs to be present in the coaching staff and the effort they put into their job. Academy coaches should have higher than an E license and have more experience than the average coach. Showing up late and putting on crappy training sessions is not acceptable. Bosses need to supervise their employees. So DOC needs to oversee their employees, not coach their own teams to save the expense of another coach on staff. Game day need to be about development and not win by dumping and running or not playing all the players. If a player isn’t good enough to play then you shouldn’t have taken them or you failed as a coach to teach them. Benchmarks should be set and if a coach doesn’t develop a player then a refund should be issued. If my steak isn’t cooked correctly, I’m not paying for it. If the waiter is rude, I’m asking for the manager and expecting it to be fixed. All the academies are failing as businesses. Their customer base is not satisfied. Abuse is overwhelming in the NJ Academy system. One academy has been accused of discrimination and cheating. Another lost the majority of their team due to a coach bullying players. This site has chronicled poor super y teams from another academy. They all should be ashamed of the product they provide to a paying customer and not fixing it. Showing their customers they value them as customers and will not condone such behavior. I know people will say if you aren’t happy then go somewhere else. And I see your argument. The problem is, if your kid wants more then, you have to go to one of these poorly run businesses. Maybe we should all unionize the players and demand better conditions. Please share your poor business experience on this blog. That is what it's here for. Freedom of speech and a forum to tell the soccer community about things that are wrong.
I loved reading the above post because it is so true! A club that we put trusted our trust in and were good customers for 5 yrs. almost destroyed my son. They destroyed his confidence, his spirit, his motivation, hurt his heart and hurt his mind. He was twelve. We thought about reporting this to the police. The abuse was that bad. When we asked for an explanation, they kicked us out. This is a club that brags about how professional they are! What a joke! They gave us half our money back because they know they screwed up.
The German academies have a Belgian company to put the academies of the clubs firmly under the microscope: everything from the software to the hardware the clubs use is scrutinized. They evaluate the clubs’playing fields, buildings and facilities;they check the members of staff; they focus on work philosophy, on principles and concepts of the education of young players and measure the results againstthese standards. They examine their organisation, human resource management and their processes, and thus essentiallyassess the overall performanceof the academies with regard to their effectiveness.The procedure is called ‘certification’, and it ensures that certain requirementsare complied with. We really need that for the US academy system, but that will never happen due to the sheer size of the US.
And if I am reading the Super Y u14 standings correctly, I see that NJSA forfeited three games this past weekend?
3:45 what academy was your son in? That is the stuff we need to know about as consumers.NJSA U14 super y coach should be fired and never allowed to coach in an academy system. Unfair to the NJSA players and the teams that received the FFT win. That is not what those parents paid for. NJSA needs to return money to all the parents that have paid.
My son was at NJSA 04 for two years and DOC NEVER showed up at a single game. He never observed the insane screaming and criticism of the coach -- he is English not Scottish -- not that nationality has anything to do with his behavior. Once, when his game ended he walked over due to the shouting from the coach, and of course it stopped. A suggestion to Cedar Stars, terminate this coach or assign a chaperone for every game and practice to police his conduct
Does anyone really think anything is going to change? Why? The deal is done and both sides got what they wanted. And if they even wanted change, why does anyone think it is even possible? Good luck>
Change happens when people speak up.
The only thing that will change is your son's position on the team. You should know better than that. It must come from within, and it won't...
11:06 I don't want to say what academy it was. Mote people could be hurt. They were glad to take our money, let parents take over the team, provided a terrible environment while the DOC and coaches looked the other way because they saw more $. When it was all over, there was no accountability.
Let me be clear. When I say speak up I don't mean to the academy. They have proved they can't monitor and police themselves. The USSF is who all these complaints need to be brought to. There are ramifications cor these academies poor actions and they need to face their governing body. Each academy gets graded, ask Match Fit they just got slapped for a poor scorecard and had their u16 & u18 taken away from them. The USSF has people that look into academy member complaints.
Uhhhh, and you think the USSF is going to touch the club some of you are talking about? Really? Considering the people and the $ involved involved? Quite naive are you?
Post the link to make the complaint to USsf. They will be inundated with complaints about Njsa 04 and certain coach.
Does MF or PDA compete with the Academy "run" by the heir apparent coach of the USMNT? You really think anything said would be the first time the USSF has heard these things? Also, follow the $ and you will see where the real power lies in NJ.
Another tournament weekend. NJSA 04 lackeys out in force shilling on tournament sidelines for players for 01 and 00 teams. Incredible. Any though about looking inward for the cause of this problem, i.e. coach?
Who is the "heir apparent" ? Which academy? Please explain.
NJSA 04 coach told me other night, there is no home complex for fall.
will they be using the cedar stars facility in bergen county? The academy teams are now NJCSA
you need to start with an excellent coach who is not just doing his job but has passion. the coach that builds each player to believe in himself and the team. you need a coach that focuses on quickness of feet for an hour and not heading the ball for an hour to waste time. you need a coach who is on time and open to conversation with parents and most importantly the kids. you need a coach who has prepared the season that if practice is cancelled due to weather that an inside facility is already booked. you need a coach who takes the time to ask each player individually where they would like to play on the field, the kids usually know where they feel comfortable and play best. if the coach has a different view then speak with the player tell him your vision you have and the qualities you see in another position. conduct your team with respect for eachother. no one should be allowed to degrade another teammate on the field and reflects the coach not doing his job to control the situation. coach like you are going to play the world cup games and it will be contagious. the kids will give you everything. does any of the academy teams have a coach like this? please answer and then tell me is your team doing well? if your team is falling on the field and the blame goes to players not being quality then you must first examine the coach.
If anyone decides to file complaint with USSF against U-12 U-11 NjSA O4 pre academy coach, please advise as I will second the Action. He is a monster and should not be allowed to coach anyone under 18.
If the trainer you refer to has the initials of SM then I agree with previous posters. The guy ran their junior development program and was a jerk go five year olds.
No initials, but it is no surprise I am not the only one that thinks this. There must be dozens. He should be deported fro his abuse.
Two previous posters: I have reported the clown/monster you refer to to both Cedar stars and USSF. Lets see if they do anything about it.
This attitude stems from the DOC. Ask some of the players on his teams about the comments he makes about players while he sits on the bench. The coaches there are the epitome of unprofessionalism.
They will all be gone soon enough when Cedar Stars takes over. Back to double shifts at Starbucks
Well put. Like every organization it starts at the top and works it way down. Look at PDA and Cedar Stars and the reason for their success is because of the management. They breed success,Conversely, since TR has been gone the club has run into the ground because of the poor management at the top. The DOC coaches will say poor player pool, but that is just an excuse. What coach worth his salt lays blame for consistently poor results, year after year, age group after age group, at the players feet
My seven year old had a terrible experience with that NNJSA jda coach . He was so mean and critical my son wanted to quit. The guy almost killedhis passion for game . When will something be done about him . Those there can't file complaints for fear of being blacklisted whichthe doc does there
What cool aid is being served players and parents over there to get them to ignore abuse, nepotism, poor results, and lack of any conduit to colleges as no college coaches ever watch them at combines. I want some of that.
The cool aid is hope. First it was Tab's name which excited many but he rarely made the rounds to teams. The next selling point was when they announced the new DOC two years ago. They were told that he created the Red Bull RDS Training Program (not! he was actually fired from the RB Program) and would be bringing the same work ethic to NJSA. That dream was never realized and now they are selling the new hope as being the Cedar Star merger and beautiful new facilities. Patents are paying for pipe dreams.
My son had the NJSA coach for the JDA as well. We had no problems with him. People with positive experiences often don't post.
Why haven't they been called out about any of this. I just joined club and the veil of secrecy surrounding future and facilities is strange. No other parents seems to be able to give me an answer.
Regarding the veil of secrecy, refer to this link:http://www.socceramerica.com/article/41506/tab-ramos-keep-the-parents-at-bay.htmlI think parents are purposely kept in the dark.
It's true that people who have had a positive experience rarely post. If someone is treated well they may tell three people. If they are treated poorly they will probably tell about 20.
i had an issue an njsa and contacted the doc. he was professional and addressed my complaint immediately. I also believe him to be a great coach. as for the above poster who mentioned coach sm at njsa and said he was terrible, I beg to differ. my son loves his level of training. I do believe some of the coaches at njsa are not top caliber. I would suggest the new owner taking a good look at his staff. good luck to all.
To the Aug 14 12:14pm postI have never posted before but have been with NJSA for several years so let me add my two cents. And a few of you will probably know who this is!I agree with the good training aspect of his (sm) coaching but his temperament at games IS questionable at times.But, I disagree with you on the DOC. His temperament is even worse at games than the coach you mentioned. He continually belittles and curses on-field players, not so the players on the field can hear him, but to other players on the bench - nice way to encourage team unity. He has also angrily told various players who wished to learn a new ball move or a field position to go home and watch YouTube because they weren't getting that type of training here. As for being a great coach, his training sessions have gone down in quality over the past 1 1/2years. That is, if you want to call 1 1/2 hour intra-team scrimmages while yelling to 'move the ball faster', training. Listen, I've had several discussions with the DOC and have just come away with my mind numb at the insensitive comments about players, parents and his entire vision of NJSA. The good coaches like Rob Johnson and others are gone because of this poorly run organization. We're viewed as a number, a paycheck and a revenue source, that is all. And the main goal of teams is not player development, but, more importantly, not to embarrass themselves when playing other academies such as RB, PDA and MatchFit. When a coach tells players at half time of a 3-0 game to 'go out and play and don't let them get 6 goals because it will be embarrassing to the club when people look at the scores on the internet' there is something drastically wrong. Players will develop to a small extent at NJSA simply because they go up against bigger, stronger, faster and better quality players on a weekly basis but certainly not because of the training regimen or the tutalage of the coaches there.
Who is responsible for this academy that represents a wide part of NJ whose issues are now known to be common knowledge for at least five years now and why won't the issues be addressed?
Issues will not be addressed as long as people continue to pay into the system and they keep getting young kids to replenish those who leave. It will be a shame when all the academy teams move north to cedar stars and all we'll have left down here is PDA. But again, they will still have the club teams playing in maps with the promise to parents that their kids will have a shot at the academy if the work hard, stay at NJSA and, of course, pay the exhorbanent fees for what amounts to rec team games and training.
Sounds to me that places like NJSA survive because there are parents who are willing to pay the fees so that they can say their kid plays for an academy, even in cases when they are on the academy club teams.I have seen three generations of kids go through the township system into academy system, and the three generations I witnessed through my three kids cover a span of about 8 years. On the low end of the talent pool, nothing has changed in terms of the traps that parents fall into..... but then maybe that's just human nature and NJSA is serving that segment of the market.
4:25 Exactly why we left NJSA after 2 seasons. That coach is by far the worst and I would never recommend anything that he is associated with. Blatant liar, corrupt and incompetent are the best way to describe this person. Just when you think the team has hit rock bottom, his kid get preferential treatment and is made a starter in a key position. Things my son heard on that bench that he said about kids on that team would send a parent into orbit if they knew what was said. Kids are afraid to talk to parents because he will positively take it out on them if you challenge this cretin. I can see why he was "let go" at his last job.
That doc was fired and tr gave him a job to same him from being deported. The cedar stars ca re, as they should, about results. That doc will be swimming back across the rio grande soon.
That doc told to red bull players to come to Njsa 04. They came an left four months later. The place is a joke and their coaches end of the road types.. The clown who teaches the youngest kids knows absolutely nothing about the game. Look at his resume if you can call it that
Why do some of you give the new partner so much credit for making change? Based on what?
It became so bad this year that the U14 team couldn't even field a team for a college showcase in Indianapolis this year. The DOC had to pull half the team in from the 2000 club team. A COLLEGE SHOWCASE MIND YOU! And of course he brought his kid along and he played full gamed at the expense of the regular academy players who are in the team. I guess daddy coaching too is alive and well at NJSA. He really needs to go and also take his 'private' training sessions he charges kids for with him. Incredible when US Soccer dictates 4 training sessions a week for 10 months but NJSA only gives 3 and this guy charges seperately for the 4th. Good luck to you newbies out there. Keep your checkbooks handy.
Why does Matchfit get a free pass? I see nothing from them but not one on this site takes them to task. Why? They stink too!
Schedules are out. And while NJSA Academy teams are still at St John Vianney turf the Pre Academy teams have been banished to Thompson Park public grass fields for home games. Another cost saving measure by NJSA. Pathetic.
MF already got demoted. What more do you want?
Why don't the parents question NJSA 04 about that "complex" they have been promising. For one there is none and two if they do Johnny sits the bench for the rest of the season. The place is a joke.
The fact is USSF has cleaned house in NJ. MAtch Fit is essentially gone. They could not do the same to NJSA 04 because of TR and preserving his legacy.Raather than simply drop NJSA 04 like Match Fit, they allowed NJSA 04 to "merge" with cedar stars. It is not a merger though. Cedar Stars gets the academy status,and by next fall all academy teams play out of Bergen County. There is no "soccer complex" as NJSA 04 promised. That was simply a ploy to keep players and parents there. NJSA 04 will be nothing more than club -- and a poor one at that -- with a loose affiliation to Cedars Stars. At best they will be allowed to call themselves a feeder system to Cedar Stars. THhe DOC and his lackey SM are scrambling like rats on sinking ship. Good luck to all. Parents just ask NJSA 04 the hard questions and you will see for yourselves. IF you don't then you have no one to blame but yourselves.
Why doesn't USSDA have more academy teams in NJ? There is a high demand for it. Parents are willing to pay for a good, fair system where their kids will be developed and kids want the chance to play in the academy system. Red Bulls draws kids from 4 states and is almost impossible to get into. PDA is just a mix of a few academy teams and mostly club teams.
Sorry, but demand is nice, but finding enough quality players to fill the academies is a whole other story.
I think there are a lot of quality players around who are not given a chance. Demand to get on academy teams is so high that they don't even have open tryouts at Red Bull or PDA. I think it's absurd to have to drive 50 miles or more to be able to play on an academy team.
open tryouts or not. The best players get to where they need to be. A top player in south NJ will be scouted and invited to Union practice. There are many scouts out there. They don't make themselves known so they don't get harassed by the many parents that will pay $2500 to say their kid is an academy player. Or the club player that parent allows their kid to be a big fish in a very small pond.
I don't know of one decent NJ 2000 player that hasn't had a chance to try out for any of the NJ academy teams, unless his parents just sit back and complain. Or as someone else just said, hasn't been scouted.
NJSA flunkee's again scouring the tournament sidelines this weekend looking for anyone to fill their empty roster spots. Nothing like a total lack of professionalism, when I doing my job your poaching and pitching your petty wares on my parents sidelines. Classless...
Would not be a normal Tuesday without the "scouring the tournament sidelines" post.It is getting old, we get the picture. Move on...
Hey "1:25 PM," if you hate the club so much who cares if you are "blacklisted?" File the complaint and leave the club if it is so bad.
1:25 PM, if you hate the club so much, who cares if you are "blacklisted?" File the complaint, leave the club, find another club. Considering all the local rec teams are supposedly better than NJSA, finding a new club should be a snap.
There have been mass departures of good and very good players from NJSA this spring and now. Let that be your guide.
If NJSA is a joke, what is the best situation for a very good U10/U11 player in the Monmouth Country area? What are the best club teams (not PDA) that would provide better coaching, competition, and facilities than NJSA?
Oh I get it, you only care about winning and not development. Is the poster serious about U10/11 academy choices. It matters when they are older not now.Once again, stop being a helicopter parent. Sounds like you might be the problem here.
Ah development..........there is the safe fall back for not winning. And I forgot, how does screaming and criticizing players at a tournament in the middle of the summer "develop" them.I may have to have child leave after fall season -- will I get a refund -- unless coach SM gets some therapy dealing with his deamons or is shit canned by the club.Final words... and as you would say let's move on
I am all for development, but at a certain point, IF you are developing properly, the wins come. I can see losing by a goal or two if you get all the players in and maybe work on a "concept" in a game situation. If that is the case, hey, you were competitive and who cares if you lost. But that seems not to be the case with NJSA. Losing frequently and by wide margins means either you have crappy players or you are failing as a coach. Not brain surgery here.BTW, the previous poster was asking about better U10/U11 NON academy choices. Read before you flame!Gotta go - my helicopter is idling in the backyard!
Well said 5:20 and funny too.
I see they have a helicopter pad at Thompson Park. Does anyone know if they have room for me to land my G5 there. A Fabulously Wealthy And Indulgent NJSA 04 Parent.
Let's all face facts. Unless you play for PDA, Red Bull or Union, there is no hope to advancing in soccer in NJ so just let the boys have fun! Otherwise keep banging your head into a wall! The substandard will just keep taking your $. The fix is in. Accept it!
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