Saturday, August 31, 2013

Academy Soccer

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Anonymous said...

There are 3 official academies in NJ. PDA, Red Bulls,and NJCSA (was NJSA04). Matchfit and Cedar Stars each have a U13/14 academy team. Some clubs like TSF and Stallions use the academy name but they don't play in the US development academy league. I'm not sure how clubs get academy status but take a look at ussdademosphere.com

Anonymous said...

ussda.demosphere.com

Anonymous said...

I heard Match Fit lost their Academy status?

So is NJSA04 now Cedar Stars - so is Cedar stars an Academy now? And how are they an Academy just for 13/14? I know they just started to build their first girls team

Anonymous said...

I believe clubs with USSDA academy status can have up to 5 academy teams. Matchfit was allowed to keep only 1 for a year, and it's not clear what happens after that. For example, RBNY this year let their 1999 age group go and added a 2002 age group to be at 5 teams.

USSDA will probably want to keep a lid on how many teams get academy status, and given that they have just given it to Cedar Starts, I doubt MF will be able to regain theirs, especially with NY adding a new MSL franchise which will also probably have a USSDA youth program.

By the time 2015/16 season starts, my bet is we'll have only 3 USSDA academies in NJ (NYRB, Cedar Stars and PDA)..... this is assuming NJSA is fully folded into CS..... again all speculation on my side.

Anonymous said...

Great. Thanks for all the information! Greatly appreciated

Anonymous said...

Some great posts about academies for those that might not be familiar with the set up but let’s clarify a few statements. There are only 3 academy teams U14, U16 & U18 who play in a USSF formatted league by the USDA. Everything else is pre-academy and is not regulated by USSF. TSF can call themselves an academy but the truth is unless they have U14, U16 or U18 playing in the USDA schedule, they are not. So TSF is not an academy! Matchfit, Cedar Star, World Class have been granted a U14 team to enter the academy system. At the end of the year, they are evaluated to see if they will be allowed u16 or u18 teams. Call it probation. And the score card is not wins and loses but training, fields, etc. This process takes a couple of years. Cedar Star will most likely not get access for u16 or u18 teams at the end of the year but I’m sure will after 2 or 3 years. NJCSA is a separate entity and will most likely remain that way for a while but Cedar Star will have NJCSA to funnel their players to in the older ages. That is not to say that after a transaction period Cedar Stars owner and management team will not implement their ideas and structure. Matchfit is an academy but for only the u14 team. Everything else is pre-academy playing in the NPL league. Their division is the North East Premier Academy League. Because a club plays in this league does not mean those teams are academy teams. It is just a place where clubs with academy teams (u14, u16 & u18) can play. PDA is an academy but they made a decision not to play in the NPL any longer. It’s just a preference for them to play EDP and Region 1. RB dropping their U15 pre-academy team isn’t because of some academy rule of 5 teams, there is no such rule. Word from parents is that it was a financial decision. RB created a 2002 team to get a relationship with those players before NYCFC gets established. A parent from the 2002 team says that the majority of the players are from the NYCFC affiliated clubs from NY.

Anonymous said...

When could Match Fit regain their U16 and U18 academy teams? I play on the Match Fit U13/14 Academy Team. Should I be concerned?

Anonymous said...

It depends if you want to keep playing academy. My understanding is that Matchfit will continue as a club but has lost academy status.

Anonymous said...

Should you be concerned? The question is why they lost their status for the U16 & U18 teams to begin with. If the rumor mill is true, it’s for several factors. Lack of fields, not training 4 days a week, not developing quality players in the eyes of USSF, coaches with insufficient licenses, player/parent complaints over coaches and DOC. My guess is they don’t get the older teams back. They would have lost the U14 team but they were given a chance to rehabilitate themselves. You are there, have they made any changes? I’ve heard they fired the past DOC and hired a new one. I’ve heard they still have a ton of politics which is everywhere but more than usual. They make promises for id2, market training, etc. I meet a father last year at a TIP session whose kid is a keeper in the program and confirmed that they made promises for all this extra stuff to keep him. I looked at the NPL website at the end of the year and the keeper let way too many goals to be considered for such events. Those are the politics that aren’t needed in a program. When they stop, the club will have a chance.

Anonymous said...

Should you be concerned? The question is why they lost their status for the U16 & U18 teams to begin with. If the rumor mill is true, it’s for several factors. Lack of fields, not training 4 days a week, not developing quality players in the eyes of USSF, coaches with insufficient licenses, player/parent complaints over coaches and DOC. My guess is they don’t get the older teams back. They would have lost the U14 team but they were given a chance to rehabilitate themselves. You are there, have they made any changes? I’ve heard they fired the past DOC and hired a new one. I’ve heard they still have a ton of politics which is everywhere but more than usual. They make promises for id2, market training, etc. I meet a father last year at a TIP session whose kid is a keeper in the program and confirmed that they made promises for all this extra stuff to keep him. I looked at the NPL website at the end of the year and the keeper let way too many goals to be considered for such events. Those are the politics that aren’t needed in a program. When they stop, the club will have a chance.

Anonymous said...

9:15 Great post. You answered a lot of questions for the bloggers in here.

Anonymous said...

PDA will continue to play Pre-Academy but only in the U15 age group. At lest that is what is on the Pre-Academy web site. Link to the their schedule http://usclub.demosphere.com/teams/69876825/69877996-69876913/TEAM.html.

Anonymous said...

Does anyone have any thoughts about why USSF allows more U13/14 teams than the higher age groups? There are 3 u15/U16 and 3 U17/18 academy teams in NJ. 5 U13/14 academy teams in NJ. 6 if you include World Class,
which is right on the border of NJ/NY. Is this age group viewed as an important development period?

Anonymous said...

does anyone know if the U-14 academies will be doing a showcase in november? i heard the u-16 and u-18 are going to florida showcase but what about the u-14?

Anonymous said...

For the U14s there is a showcase in Dec.

Anonymous said...

Thank you. Do you know where the dec showcase for u-14 will be held?

Anonymous said...

it's early Nov in South Carolina.

Anonymous said...

6:15 thanks

Anonymous said...

For 2000 agree group USDA Showcase Nov 8th and 9th in NC

Anonymous said...

With this all said....so I have it correct. Say for example Cedar Stars is an Academy, because they have a U14 Academy team....but if you play on the U12 team what are you considered? Pre-Academy? so you play on an Academy, but your actual team is just pre-Academy.

Anonymous said...

Does anyone know about ECNL? I know in NJ area, Match Fit and PDA only have ECNL teams (and WC).

Does NJCSA have a chance to have an ECNL team in the future in North NJ ?

Anonymous said...

To 9:31,
There are so many leagues and labels around that it's all really confusing to parents. The u12 team at Cedar Stars is a club team unless it is specifically called pre-academy. Pre-academy has its own league. In my opinion,having so many options is unnecessary. Just let the cream rise to the top.

Anonymous said...

Heard that NJSA's new facility will be in Holmdel, specific sight unknown to me, and will include 4 outside fields, one inside field plus offices. Apparently there was a building approval issued sometime in the past week.

Anonymous said...

Yea, right. They have been saying that for three years.

Anonymous said...

Three years ago they didn't just get a few million dollars from the Cedar Stars owner.

Anonymous said...

Just an FYI...they told me it was in Eatontown 0n 36 bw 18 and parkway.........maybe they will have tow. Ya see there lies the problem...when you are lying the story always changes.

Anonymous said...

Here we go again!
The story has always been that the money was there but they wanted to keep the facility in Holmdel, close to Tab's Soccer Center and they were having issues with the community because of the lights and the hours they would remain on. So now, magically, the community is agreeing to this and Holmdel will issue permits? Seems like more smoke and damage control after the beating they've taken.

Anonymous said...

Let's be fair.

If it was so easy to secure a good facility in the area, it would have been done by others by now.

Even the RB don't even have training facility that covers all their needs and they have an MLS team and a mega sponsor/owner.

Complaining is way to easy...

Anonymous said...

Typical whining. 'Not even the Red Bulls have facilities for all their needs'. Bottom line is build it, get rid of the nonsense you have as coaches/dot and stop with the talk. We've all heard it before.

Anonymous said...

And everyone owes you something? Gimme free stuff!

Anonymous said...

Free?
Who said anything about free? NJSA 04 is the last place to expect anything free.
I don't know if you cannot read or perhaps are feeling a tad guilty charging your naive parents a top tier fee for bottom tier training/facilities. Wait, scratch that last part. You have no facilities. They are in the 'plans'. Now go away and work on moving some more pre-academy teams to Thompson Park to save money on renting SJV.

Anonymous said...

Then buy an academy yourself and run things your way. Otherwise, be free to leave where you are unhappy and join the academy of your choice. It is frustrating for all involved, but why all the crying in public?

Anonymous said...

Can't stand the crying then get off of the board or at least say something in your defense other than, 'We're building a complex!'
And hope that all the other parents at NJSA don't read this board because if we all leave, that imaginary complex will really do yo a lot of good.

Anonymous said...

NJSA parents will never leave. Where are they going to go? Face it, you have no options.

Anonymous said...

Someone should send this blog to NJSA 04 parents so the many rather than the few ask the tough questions.

NJSA 04 is a low end Ponzi scheme posing as a non profit soccer club. If their books were audited they would be shut down.

Anonymous said...

I was curious what site people use to check soccer rankings?

I use http://usyouthsoccerrankings.com

and Gotsoccer. BUT gotsoccer doesn't seem as accurate. One example - having TSF boys teams in top 5 in country after not making it to final 4 in certain tournaments.

Anonymous said...

U14 Academy scrimmage tonight NJCSA X CSA @ CSA's facility.

Anonymous said...

To 2:59PM poster.... that ranking is far from accurate. For example, they have PDA Academy 2000 (falsely labeled as NY team) at #16 and the DPA Donovan team at #6. Meanwhile the PDA 2000 team beat RBNY in the regional play off finals and won the nationals in NC. Top Draw Soccer ranking is probably more up-to-date. Go here http://www.topdrawersoccer.com and scroll down to middle of page. While RBNY is still ranked above PDA 2000 (rightfully so), these rankings are also questionable. Gotsoccer is not the place to look for academy team rankings.

Anonymous said...

The way TSF and some other clubs go on about their team's got soccer rankings is ridiculous. The got soccer rankings are received from got soccer tournaments. The more you enter, the more points you can collect. Your team doesn't even have to win to gain pts, TSF enters a lot of tournaments so they can get their rankings as high as possible and the cost just gets passed to the parents.

Anonymous said...

Rumor is coach SM at NJSA 04 is going to be canned w/in 30 days. Heat to great.

Anonymous said...

Rumor is coach SM at NJSA 04 is going to be canned w/in 30 days. Heat to great.

Anonymous said...

About tiem. That guy is a clown not to mention abusive. He should not be allowed to coah children.

Anonymous said...

Y did they wait so long?

Anonymous said...

Here's the rub - how do they replace him with someone better?

Yea, he yelled a lot, but he did know his soccer.

Anonymous said...

True. But there are alot of good young and old coaches out there. Dont be fooled by the accent. He failed in his own country as coach that is Y he came here.

Anonymous said...

Not always true, but I get your point.

Anonymous said...

Can anyone give feedback about FC Westchester. Are they considered to be a good academy?

Anonymous said...

If you can get in and live close, any academy is a good academy, then you go from there.

Anonymous said...

Source at USSF advised this weekend that within 18 months all Academy teams will be with cedar stars in Bergen cnty. njsa 04 will simply be at best feeding system of club teams for players invited and willing to travel north.

I asked njsa about this this week and they had no response. any suggestions on what I should do as I hae a u-12 player there

Anonymous said...

Ask them to put that in writing. Too many rumors.

Anonymous said...

Its just what the person told me. he said the decision was made that rather than force njsa to drop teams like match fit and have everyone leave, cedar stars would step in with undertanding that they would get one academy a year up in Bergen.

made sense to me as I cnt imagine cedar coaches and player oare going to travel to Monmouth county from Bergen to play on rented fields.

any suggestion if my u12 should move now or play on what will be club tema by the time he is 13?

Anonymous said...

If my son was enjoying his team, I would leave him there for now. When you are certain about what's going on, then he could consider trying out for another team.

Anonymous said...

Thanks. My concern is though I am told, I don't know much myself, that its get hard and harder to get into PDA and other quality clubs the older they get. Any thoughts?

Anonymous said...

You can contact the coach of another team that interests you to attend a few practices and your son can see if he likes the team. But I would also consider the possibility that NJSA could still remain a good club just with no academy staus.

Anonymous said...

I do not know if it is certain that Cedar Stars and NJCSA are considered the "same team." If not, why couldn't NJCSA maintain their USSF Academy status?

Anonymous said...

It's possible and I wouldn't rush into anything new based on hearsay.

Anonymous said...

thanks.

Anonymous said...

thanks. I am just concerned as I don't know much about the club academy and soocer but what I read and hear. the negative chat only about njsa 04 and their coaches is what concerns me. thanks for yor insight

Anonymous said...

11:36. Understand question, but if they were to both have USSF academy status, there would have been no reason for cedar stars to have bothered to "merge" or really takeover njsa 04. Y would cedar stars want to merge or takeover a club with 1. no facilities, 2. poor 3rd rate coaches, 3. poor/failed DOT and 4. abysmal team results in all age groups year after year, 5. and no indication of any player development.

Anonymous said...

2:54, yes, I see where you are coming from. I was thinking about this earlier today and could not get past the question: "What did NJSA get from the merger?"

If NJSA ends up with no facilities and no Academy teams, then they really got shafted in the deal. NJSA, I believe, had to get SOMETHING out of the deal? Am I correct?

The only other thing I can think of is Cedar Stars simply paid off some old NJSA debts.

Anonymous said...

Everybody here is saying that NJCSA is moving up north. Word from up north is that CSA's U14 Academy team is combining with NJCSA. Which means that all current U14 CSA players will be playing under NJCSA next fall out of Monmouth county. So next fall the NJCSA Pre-Academy U15 and Academy U16 teams will be loaded with CSA playes from this years current U14 Squad.
CSA is still going to keep their U13 Pre-Academy and U14 Academy teams playing out of Bergen County.

Anonymous said...

How about the CSA U9 Girls. I heard they have decent talent and will be bringing in a lot more talent over the next year. I expect big things out of this team soon...and they will continue to create other great girls teams in the future!

Anonymous said...

By the way, CSA and NJCSA U14 Academy and U13 Pre-Academy teams scrimmaged each other earlier this week. CSA won both games. CSA beat NJCSA 4-2 in the U14 game, but they could of won the game by 8 or 9.

Anonymous said...

People in here are only focused on CSA and NJCSA soccer aspect of the deal and there is much more to it. The CSA owner is a business men number 1 and 2 he loves the game of soccer (just read any articles about him) and as business man first he wants to expend his brand, and what better way to do that then to merge/acquire (which ever word you want to use) with/or another academy that is already established. He also has some kind of partnership with St. Benedict's High School and also just created another CSA hub is Essex County. This is about his passion for Soccer combined with a business mentality; which in a few years is going to pay back immensely on the soccer field and financially.

Anonymous said...

What did NJSA get from the deal? It's only about one thing for them, always was. hint $.

Anonymous said...

What NJSA 04 received was 1. Saving face from having USsf take away their academy status and re embarrasment associated with that as well as allowing one of the 5 greatest American players, tab Ramos, to not have to be associated with a failed academy. 2 NJSA 04 can still claim they are an academy for another year or two and charge their fees and play on parents vanity. After the teams are moved to Bergen they can claim they are a feeder system -- again playing the parents-- to what will be a very strong academy, cedar stars academy, that will be able. To legitimately compete with PDA and red bulls. In 18 months there will only be PDA, red bulls, cedar stars in NJ. Match fit and NJSA or NJcsa will no longer be playing academy soccer. This has already been determined at the USsf academy level.

Anonymous said...

3:02. Ask yourself. Why on earth would they have winning coaches and winning teams drive an hour ringing and half four or five times a week to play at a failing club with as yet no facilities.

Also ask, how come there is no mention of this move or future facility in Monmouth county on the CSa website. CSa can build their own facility in Bergen and get huge take breaks tondo so. They already have a premo indoor facility.

Ask yourself what on earth would cause them to go to month to join a failed club with failed coaches and dot.

Anonymous said...

What Cedar Stars has done in such a few years of existence is very impressive. They came into the industry running and are expanding and being very successful. They have a great management team and they really want to promote the sport.

Anonymous said...

What has been so impressive? Wining a few local tournaments at u11 and u12?

Anonymous said...

It's impressive that they entered the industry with a plan, implemented it and USSF took notice. They are not in it just for the money, they want to promote the sport and are also reaching out to inner-city youths.

Anonymous said...

Fair enough. Still much work to go, especially at the older ages. Also, let's see in 10 years. Hopefully for the state, a major success story.

Anonymous said...

Ugh. My sons u11 traveled form NJ to CT for an 11-0 trouncing. At leT I got to heR some insane a reaming and crtiticzing of players from coach Muckle he is absolutely horrible coach. All other NJcsa teams are dead last in e wrt age group. I've asked for money back to get son out. The answer was absolutely not. May be there would be mass exodus. This place is horrible

Anonymous said...

If you threaten to sue them for child abuse you might get your money back. Children need to be treated right, i

Anonymous said...

My son was asked to play on njcsa 2001 pre academy. I was told by other parents they had several players leave over last 12 months. i shoul dhave known that was a bad sign and stayed away and declined. we did not as we though it may just be rumors.

Well it is not rumours. the place is a shanmbles. Town teams are more organized and better coachs. The score was so bad against dc this weeked it is not even being reported. develpment, there is none here. my son cannot wait for year to be over and has already asked if he can quit.

How can they represent themselves as an Academy? Just look at their results and development of what? year after year tons of players leave and there is no sign of improvement.

Anonymous said...

I read on this post that coach SM of njcsa shot ball at players head. Was anything dun about that or investigated. I would like to mtalk to person who posted that as it may serve as basis to get money back. Thanks

Anonymous said...

Cedar stars needs to clean house there asap before their name and rep is harmed further. What r they waiting for, thoughts?

Anonymous said...

If NJCSA is providing an unsafe, toxic environment for children, they are breaking their contract with parents and you have every right to get your money back.

Anonymous said...

good point. Thak you

Anonymous said...

Curious to see the above post about the scores being reported. Looked at USSDA Rosters for NJSA 15/16,17/18, and NEPAL 'no players found' and noticed 23-25 players on each team? Why does CSA only carry 20? I am certain CSA could have easily rostered 30 with their reputation, but chose against it. Why? Because they only select the best and want their players to develop and have touches on the ball. It is very apparent that the main difference between NJSA and CSA IS the money. How do they expect to play 25 players in a season? But they will gladly take your $$$ for a roster spot.

Anonymous said...

Heck, I think 20 is too high!

Anonymous said...

Sorry, but some of you have no idea of what you are talking about!

Anonymous said...

Now that statement must come from experience. Care to refute with details?

Anonymous said...

What's the difference between CSA (Cedar Stars Acad) and NJCSA - Im confused?

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Anonymous said...

Which one is an official Academy? CSA or NJCSA ?

Anonymous said...

Both CSA and NJCSA are official academies. The only difference is that CSA only has a team in the U14 age group and NJCSA has team in the U14/U16/U18 age groups. CSA oldest age group in the whole club is U14.

Anonymous said...

Next real academy? They played ONE game, ONE game as a 13/14 Academy and you compare them to RB and PDA? Just like everything else you say on this subject, you have no clue.

Anonymous said...

Next real academy? They played ONE game, ONE game as a 13/14 Academy and you compare them to RB and PDA? Just like everything else you say on this subject, you have no clue.

Anonymous said...

So their not an Academy? That is why it is called U13/14 academy. LOL.

Anonymous said...

Is NJCSA an official academy now but won't be in 18 months? I'm guessing that next year CSA will have 2 academy teams and NJCSA will still have 1.

anonymus said...

As of today NJCSA is the official Academy.

Anonymous said...

9/27 - CSA vs NJCSA 7:30 PM @ S.J Vianney !

Get on your boxing gloves

Anonymous said...

CSA played NJCSA in a scrimmage last week and the score was CSA 4 x 2 NJCSA.

Anonymous said...

cedar stars having all academy teams in 2 years. One a year as their u14 gets older. That was the deal brokered by USsf. Money talks .... Njsa 04 bullshit walks.

How can anyone really think the present njcsa is going to continue with their piss poor coaches and dot, bargain rental facilities, and year after year poor results.

Anonymous said...

cedar stars having all academy teams in 2 years. One a year as their u14 gets older. That was the deal brokered by USsf. Money talks .... Njsa 04 bullshit walks.

How can anyone really think the present njcsa is going to continue with their piss poor coaches and dot, bargain rental facilities, and year after year poor results.

Anonymous said...

That makes a lot of sense. Cedar Stars is building their academy up from the bottom. That's the way it should be. Their priority is their academy,strengthening it and NJCSA is getting moved to the back. In 3 yrs. Cedar Stars will be a strong academy.

Anonymous said...

Another practice...another night Coach S. Muckle at NJCSA heeping abuse on 11 year olds. Where is the accountability and oversight by the club?

Anonymous said...



does anyone know what the new njcsa game time rule is and how they plan on playing so many rostered kids? do the strong players get automatic 100 percent playing time or do they too have to have an occasional seat on the bench? if my kid is still striving to be better will he sit all games? if anyone knows what the cedar star playing time agenda is then please let me know as the coach did not let the parents know directly.

Anonymous said...

PLEASE do not disparage or insult individuals by name or initials. Keep the discussion informative, lively and engaging not negative.
Sincerely,
Youth Soccer Talk

Anonymous said...

11:10
Keep in mind that there is a 25% start rule in academy, so that means that the players have to start 25% of the total number of games. So in a 20 game season each player will have to start 5 times.
At Cedar Stars, the core group will play in every game (like in most other clubs) and no unnecessary substitutions will be made as per the coach. Playing time will depend on how well they played the last game, how well they practiced that week and obviously, how good they are. Last game, the coach only made 4 substations out of 7, so 3 kids did not get in the game.
How was it at NJCSA’s last game?

Anonymous said...

11:10
Keep in mind that there is a 25% start rule in academy, so that means that the players have to start 25% of the total number of games. So in a 20 game season each player will have to start 5 times.
At Cedar Stars, the core group will play in every game (like in most other clubs) and no unnecessary substitutions will be made as per the coach. Playing time will depend on how well they played the last game, how well they practiced that week and obviously, how good they are. Last game, the coach only made 4 substations out of 7, so 3 kids did not get in the game.
How was it at NJCSA’s last game?

Anonymous said...

From experience, at NJSA 04 you will get 7 or 8 kids starting every game and most likely playing full time with the rest splitting time to adhere to the 25% rule. It is my understanding that there are still 5 subs a game max so even though a player may start under the 25% start rule, they may start and then only play 15 or 20 minutes in those games. Of course, depending on the game situation, injuries etc.

Anonymous said...

12:59 We were told by the coach that they are allowed 7 subs now as per the league and it seems like it is a new rule. But I believe that he will only use all 7 substitutions when we are either winning by a good margin or loosing by a good margin.

Anonymous said...

Academy soccer isn't all it's cracked up to be. 2 showcases/year is all. Haven't seen too many college coaches at those. All you folks with college soccer aspirations might be better served finding a quality club team and attending college camps. Who knows if the academy system will be around in 5 years? Why do you think PDA and Baltimore Bays and other high quality organizations keep memberships in both Academy and club soccer leagues? The Academy league is structured entirely to unearth 2-3 kids who may have National team potential. For that you want to drive 5 hours up to New Hampshire to play one game? Club teams can play in any number of showcase events it pleases.

Anonymous said...

I take it his kid did not make the academy team.

Anonymous said...

Is there really a big difference between the club team, the pre-academy team and the academy team? They all use the same trainers and coaches, For example PDA Pele, which is a top club team and PDA u17/U18 academy.

Anonymous said...

How about NJCSA? A lot of people agree that they're a poorly run club with poor results. Are we supposed to believe that there academy teams are high quality?

anonymus said...

Is there really a big difference between the club team, the pre-academy team and the academy team? They all use the same trainers and coaches, For example PDA Pele, which is a top club team and PDA u17/U18 academy.
****

That's a poor comparason, absolutely different quality of soccer being played!

Anonymous said...

Will you explain the difference in quality? They're both PDA trained teams. They play the same style of soccer. And why did you repeat my whole question?

Anonymous said...

Uhhhh...just maybe, the talent is different?

Anonymous said...

That's your opinion but mine is that there is not a huge difference.
I know kids who have left academy teams to play on club teams because the club team is close to home and they can also play on their high school team. I also know a boy from PDA Pele who now plays on NJCSA Academy team. Different strokes for different folks.

Anonymous said...

NJCSA or NJSA 04 are a much lower caliber of team than PDA or Red Bulls. There is simply no comparison. PDA is ranked in top 5 every year of all soccer clubs based on multiple metrix. NJSA 04, NEVER.

If travel is not an issue, you are much better off playing for PDA club team if you can even get in than playing for any NJCSA Academy team. The fact is no coaches care whatsoever if you play for NJSA 04 Academy team. THey will tell you diferent but it is fact. Go to any showcase, no one watches NJSA 04 unless they are playing PDA or Red Bulls. Why do you think they were so eager to change their name to NJCSA while Cedar Stars barely mentions the merger and has not changed their name.

Anonymous said...

It does seem strange that CSA seems to be distancing from NJCSA and they own it. I wonder whose decision it was to change NJSA's name.

Anonymous said...

What proof do you have that they are distancing themselves from NJCSA?

Anonymous said...

Please let me know what academy you belong to if you have had a parent meeting to go over all the points of the academy, expectations, busing to away events that are a distance, trips, playing time, coach specifics and a basic introduction.

Anonymous said...

9.19 I don't have proof and I'm not looking for any. I just stated that it SEEMS LIKE CSA is distancing themselves from NJCSA. Why doesn't CSA mention the merger on their website?

Anonymous said...

http://www.cedarstars.com/csanjsa.html

anonymus said...

at 5:44 PM - Seriously! You believe that the teams are at the same level, because they are from the same club? News flash, there are players that are at a higher level than others. Playing the same style of soccer does not equate to being at the same level.

Anonymous said...

Some of these comments are funny keep them coming. Same club /trainer = same players hahahahaha

Anonymous said...

The comments are funny but I think the point is that academy soccer is not black and white, there are gray areas. If PDA club teams are better than NJCSA academy teams, that shouldn't be. MLS academies are different because there are no club teams.

Anonymous said...

If PDA club teams are better than NJCSA academy teams, that shouldn't be.

And why shouldn't that be? If the quality of the organization and training is much better than the other, it does reason that this can possibly be the case. Parents would rather pay and see their children develop on a Club team than whither away at a sub-par Academy.

Anonymous said...

Ther are several reasons people still go to NJSA 04. Travel, unable to make PDA, Vanity and believing the false promises espoused by njsa 04. They simply play on parents being naive, uninformed, vain or all of the above.

Anonymous said...

Clubs feed off the parents that don't have a clue. Especially these clubs that have multiple teams for same age groups....Team B and C's they are money makers and owners are getting rich off clueless parents.

Anonymous said...

Uhhhh...why don't any of you experts ever mention if the boys are actually having fun playing? This is never mentioned here.

And, just because you put a new name on an academy, that means its going to better? Based on what? A website post? New fields? And that's going to make the program better how? No one even asks, does the new organization even have GM, DOC or qualified coaches? Again, never mentioned here?

Anonymous said...

I wouldn't say havinging coaches and dots demeaning players at games/practices AND continual bad results is having fun. But players are told that this is part of development. If you want to have fun go play elsewhere.

Anonymous said...

There's no easy solution but I would believe what I see, not what I hear. Sometimes, kids don't understand that they're in a bad situation. Maybe the parent should 1. have a meeting with the coach to discuss the problem or 2. just leave with your child.

Anonymous said...

HELP! My son's team lost 15-2 yesterday, yes 15-2. This against a team that isn't even an ACADEMY. I know it is about development, development of what hearing your coacuh -- Muckle -- and getting thick slkin from the abuse and brutal beatings of the team. His coach -- S. Muckle -- is a complete fraud and humiliates them. Where is the DOC? No word, nothing. I've complained and again nothing. NJCSA and DOC simply does not care, they got their money.

This place is an absolute joke and coach is completely uselelss. How many bad results year after year, team after team, and players leaving in droves is need before they at least sack Muckle.

Anonymous said...

Dude, just leave already. Grow up and make a decision. Or, stay and deal with it. What kid of example are you for your son. Whining all the time.

Anonymous said...

And I see they lost 11-1 last game. Money well spent. Do not even mention development in the same post as these horrific scores. What can a player possibly learn from this type of experience week after week? Someone from NJSA owes you an apology for selling you such crap.

Anonymous said...

Please stop with the NJSA drama.... Ok we got the point it sucks there.... In the mean time the 2000 age group this weekend had some interesting scores....

RBNY beats NJSA only by 1-0 as NJSA bunkers in and lets only 1 goal in

PDA, national champions....., looses 5-2 from Philly Union

Matchfit beats Cedar Stars 3-0

very interesting....

Anonymous said...

But don't worry, the new owner will fix everything.

Anonymous said...

Yeah really. THe whole NJSA 04 NJCSA organization, DOT, coaches, facilities, is complete crap. We all know that. Nothing new.

Anonymous said...

PLEASE do not disparage or insult individuals by name or initials. Keep the discussion informative, lively and engaging not negative.
Sincerely,
Youth Soccer Talk

Anonymous said...

I am looking for advice. My son too is onthe same team at NJSA coached by Muckle. I cannot recall ever even hearing about losses this bad. This coach has no idea about teaching children. Oddly the players have talent but on the field their confidence is shattered by coaches abuse and non stop yelling. If I express any concern I have been told doc will blacklist me and child and I have to ride out yeAer as no one will take son now and I am also td NJSA won't release players to spite the
For leaving. Suggestions?

Anonymous said...

Stop the complaining and just leave if it's that's that bad. I will go as far as to say that if it is truly that bad, you are a bad parent for letting it go on and not removing your child. Stop with the money excuse and leave. Just do training with another team if you want your kid to get training. I've watched a game and you are exaggerating your claims on this site. Stop the one person (maybe 2) attack. And again, that age is not academy so take your remarks somewhere else.

Anonymous said...

The coach needs to be removed, not the child

Anonymous said...

Oh and was that the 11-1 or 15-2 loss you saw. If u r doc y not give refund or back player pass. R both meant to keep mass departure of team from happening?

Anonymous said...

Parents really should not blame just one coach. The whole organization is a mess. I'm sure that coach is not happy with the situation either. There's always stuff going on behind the scenes that we don't know about. When his contract expires, I doubt he'll be renewed. In the mean time, get the child out if it's negatively affecting him. The DOC can't blacklist him from other clubs.

Anonymous said...

I agree with that. The coach is under pressure t0o. It's not fair to take his frustrations out on children, especially when parents are paying huge money, but it's understandable. The parents should remove their children. Join another team and let the new club fight for a release if needed.

Anonymous said...

Looks like the CSA u13/14 Academy is going to have a long season. It's okay i guess, they will have time to develop.

Anonymous said...

Somebody should tell the CSA coach that playing academy is not the same as playing EDP.

Anonymous said...

Now that their club is academy status, they'll be drawing a lot of talented players. Isn't that the case with any club when they first get academy status?

Anonymous said...

So it's obvious the NJSA poster is a former player/parent. You keep speaking about being blacklisted and only want money back. You would make so much noise on the sideline, it would get back to the coach and DOC. So you'd be blacklisted already. And don't think your antics on here aren't being noticed by your new club because I'm sure the DOC has made that call already. Hope the Admin starts deleting your posts because you keep using names. You have made your own kids soccer bed. Everyone will know who you are and unfortunately it will hurt your child.

Anonymous said...

1:27 That is a good point. It is their first year in academy. Also not everyone knew that they were becoming academy this year.

Anonymous said...

Oh yeah. They will draw away from RB, PDA and the new NY academy next year. and all that academy level talent out there too? Where?

Anonymous said...

Give Cedar Stars some time to adjust here. If it were that easy to adjust any team club could do it.

Anonymous said...

People should chill. This is just youth soccer. Let kids have fun and enjoy watching your child play at whatever level that may be. There you will find peace.

Anonymous said...

They have already done that. They have players from PDA, MF, and some EDP clubs on their current roster.

Anonymous said...

Bad coaches, spiteful parents, bad clubs. Such gripes have been around since youth sports began. These are all just opinions and as all know opinions are like $^^#holes, everyone has one. Don't read to much into anything you read on line. Make your observations and then decide whats best for you

Anonymous said...

Agreed. This has been going on forever, but the first for an Academy to be dragged through the mud with such disgust.
It seems very odd that there are no NJSA defenders on here. It would seem at least one parent would say something positively intriguing in the defense of the club. Anybody, Anybody, Bueller?

Anonymous said...

Both NJSCA U16 and U18 only lost by 2 goals (2-0/2-1) to the RB this weekend. This past season the U16s made the playoff. Too me that is not bad. I am sure the parents of the older kids on NJCSA are not here complaining. It is the parents of the younger one's whose kid is on the bad team and is riding the bench that are making all the fuss. Any club/academy that you take your kid too, there is always going to be a bad team and a bad coach.

Anonymous said...

Good point. The younger age group's parents are upset because the future of the club is in question but the academy teams seem o.k. It will take CSA a few yrs. to get going.
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Anonymous said...

I do not believe the older kids parents care anymore. They probably have been in that situation at NJSA for a while and are at the stage where all that maters in finishing HS and College, not development. It does though depend on how those games were played for the young player's parents. If NJSA did 'bunker in' as a previous poster claims during the 2000 game than I would question: are they just trying to keep the score close by throwing everyone back on defense for scoreboard watching or are they actually playing soccer. I certainly hope it is the latter. Any one at any of the games care to relay how the games were played?

Anonymous said...

2000 NJSA complete defensive line and center defensive mid played exceptional against the Red Bulls. NJSA Goalie was incredible. Soccer was being played. Red Bulls dominated but NJSA would not let them score. I was very surprised.

Anonymous said...

Good post!
Finally something positive on this board!

Anonymous said...

Playing nine in the box is not good soccer.

Anonymous said...

Ok but they did not get blown out, and if that kept the game close, power to them. Would you rather have them opened up the game and lost 7-0, then everyone in here would be talking smack about them. You dammed if you do you dammed if you don't.

Anonymous said...

U.S. Soccer DEVELOPMENT Academy

keeping a game close with 9 in the box is more like U.S. Soccer LOOK GOOD FOR THE BOX SCORE Academy.

such a travesty

Anonymous said...

Like no team has ever played a defensive - counter attack style. Unreal with this one-sided NJCSA bashing.

Anonymous said...

Not a fan of NJSA and many posts about them are correct, but give credit where credit it is due. There is nothing wrong with playing a defensive shell against what you believe may be a superior team or against any team for that matter. Italy did it for forty years, Chelsea did it against Barcelona.

Players an coach deserve credit for making it a game.

Anonymous said...

Watched both 18's and 16's NJCSA vs RB @ redbull practice facility. how 'bout just a game report rather than the constant barrage - and yes once parenting at older age groups, so much of this seems, well.... silly.

18's 2-1 to Redbulls with NJCSA playing with 10 men (double yellow) for most of 2nd half but able scored late in 2nd half. RB looked comfortable but maybe took foot off gas near end to allow goal. Talent and speed on both sides.

16's 2-0 to RB's with both teams working out of back with a few over the top balls both ways - refs probably should have issued yellows to both teams in first half (maybe reluctant b/c of 18's sending off)RB's goals both excellent, first off counter attack at close of first half where NJSCA had pressed too far up and did not recover in time, Both teams still looking for chemistry - solid back line for both as well, but RB had better of offensive chances.

Neither team happy with reffing for either game. Interesting to see several former RB players on both 16/18 for NJCSA - overall good, competitive matches

Anonymous said...

NJSA will never improve until Jay Teitelbaum starts to understand that this is meant to be a serious soccer organization and not the Marlboro County Club where his friends' kids, who aren't even interested in playing soccer, can play for free.

Just sayin' because that's what I'm hearin'...

Anonymous said...

Stop naming coaches you moron.

Anonymous said...

Maybe he doesn't care too much anymore because there are changes coming.

Anonymous said...

Soooooo.....let's start a new thread which has nothing to do with NJCSA or the former NJSA04.

I think the NJSA04 bashing is over the top, no matter the experience.

So, anyone checked out the NEPAL 2001 results lately? Who do you think will compete with RB? Before RB joined, FC Delco and Westchester owned that group.

Anonymous said...

Cedar Stars and SAC both look good after the first 2 games.

Anonymous said...

I know a few players from that age group on RBNY and CS and think that it will come down to these two teams dominating the league this year. But you are right DC area teams should not be overlooked... this year it may be SAC.

Anonymous said...

I guess we will know more after this Sunday's game down south.

Anonymous said...

I think it would interesting to see how the 2001s and 2002s progress in NEPAL. Looking forward to PDA joining that group at some point. Should give us a good glimpse of the future.

I do think the NEPAL league has some good teams, and they play a fast game.

Anonymous said...

Waz up with PDA? Why are they joining at some point and is not starting out with the rest of the teams?

Anonymous said...

PDA did not field a pre-academy 2002 or 2001 team this year. Not sure why, but am seeing signs they could be gearing up to do something next season. Worst case you would see them at U14 Academy.

Anonymous said...

what is weird is that PDA has 5 games schedule on the U13 age group, almost as if they have not scheduled all their games as of yet. Anyway PDA did not have U12 last year only a U13 so I am assuming if they do put a team in the league it will be in the U13. By the way the Pre-Academy league took out the standings for ages U13 and under only the standings for the U15s are up.

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Anonymous said...

No names or initials please. Its time to move on

Anonymous said...

Anyone looking at the NextGenUSA group?

Anonymous said...

What is that? Never heard of it.

Anonymous said...

Check out nexgenusa.org. These guys used to run TIP in the EDP league. Now doing talent identification on East Coast. My son have done a couple development day training with them. Looks like they are trying to raise the bar.

Anonymous said...

Were the NJCSA U15/16 and U17/18 suddenly dropped from the ussda league? I don't see any results from their games.

Anonymous said...

I see the teams listed. They may just be late in recording the results.

Anonymous said...

Next gen USA has a lot of good ideas and looks promising for the future of US Soccer but it looks like they're just starting up and trying to attract interest.

Anonymous said...

Boys side ussf academy question - are all of the local (pa,nj,ny,conn) u14 sides free? I know the Redbulls and Union are, but I also hear that the everton/westchester teams are free (at all ages) and that the majority of U14's do not charge - anyone know?

Anonymous said...

I don't think that is correct. Match Fit U14 is free, but that is because they dropped their U16 and U18 academies so they decided to make the U14 free. Cedar Stars, NJSCA, PDA you have to pay. I heard FC Delco is suppose to be free starting next year. In my opinion most academies are going to be free within a few years, because that is what the USSF wants, but I am not sure every academy can afford to do that. Not every academy has enough club teams to help support their academy teams. Because you know most likely, that is where the money is going to come from, the regular club team under that academy will end up costing more so that the academy teams can play for free.

Anonymous said...

Supposedly MF is free because that was the condition set by USSF to keep Academy status for U14 age group. All other NJ Academies, with the exception of RBNY, charge about $2,500 per year plus travel to tournaments, indoor winter practice, etc.. Some of the Academies are free for their U16 and U18 teams.

Anonymous said...

If USSF wants all academy teams to be free, they should be paying for that. Non-profit clubs shouldn't have to charge more for club teams to provide free academy teams.

Anonymous said...

MLS teams can pay for their academies but it's not clear who will be paying for club academies. I do think that all academy teams will be free eventually but travel expenses can be very expensive. Do MLS academies cover all travel expenses?

Anonymous said...

Looking forward to this weekend brother/sister match up. NJSA squares off against Cedar Stars. Any prognosticators want to take a shot?

Anonymous said...

NJcsa looses all games and very badly. That is a bet u can take to Vegas and bet the house.

Anonymous said...

Both of those teams are going to have a difficult season. Yes, they may beat teams like Albertson or Seacoast, but it will be a rude awakening for CS. Still think CS will beat NJSA.

Anonymous said...

Coaching, talent and mental - all advantages favor CS by one or two goals.

Anonymous said...

CS has already played NJCSA in a scrimmage a few weeks ago and they beat NJCSA 4-2 in a com from behind victory. CS had a couple of their core players missing and also started the game with mostly their bench players.

Anonymous said...

6:01 all players travel expenses are covered by the MLS academies.

Anonymous said...

Thanks. It's difficult for club academies to compete with that but
I think that an MLS only academy system would require too much travel.

Anonymous said...

It continues to astonish me why so many people continue to compare MLS academies with other non-mls academy teams playing within the USSDA. Even though they play in the same league their overall agenda is completely different.

MLS academies were established to develop professional players to play primarily in the MLS...that's it. If they're lucky this will amount to about 1-2 players every couple of years. MLS academies are part of the USSDA because that is where it's believed the best competition is within the US. Whether or not they win or lose games or gain national team exposure for the players is completely irrelevant. Their goal is about creating the best environment to develop professional players and selecting players that are talented and aspire to play at the professional level. The goal is not to get a kid a college scholarship or to win the most titles at the youth level or even make the national team. Sure...if they're doing a good job then all of this comes with the territory.

Too many people continue to compare results and rant about which team or academy is better Ask yourself...what is the end goal for the player and what do they want? If it's just to develop and get the most you can out of the game and have fun then any academy might do. However, if your kids are interested in developing into a professional player then the natural progression should be either an MLS academy or somewhere abroad.

What was Messi's, Ronaldo's, Dempsey, Tim Howard or any pro players team record when they were 10, 11, 12, 13 years old? Nobody knows and nobody cares. It's about understanding what the kid wants and what sort of sacrifice they're willing to make for it and if they're talented enough to play at a higher level. People in the US are so obsessed with results especially at the youth level and which team is better than the other. We finally have an environment in this country were kids have a real chance of fulfilling their dream of playing professionally and all we still talk about is what the score was on the weekend. Don't get me wrong learning to compete and win is important for a kids development but not at the expense of their development.

Anonymous said...

Amen brother!

Anonymous said...

If you think that parents of kids playing for youth academies of big clubs are not focused on winning and results at 11, 12, etc... you are very mistaken. With some first hand insight into European youth soccer and professional clubs, I can say, yes the system there is way ahead, and the infrastructure continuum from an early age on is much, much better, but I have been at session and games there, and have listened to the parents. Trust me they are sometimes even more delusional than parents in the US.

Another thing that no one talks about is that, in many parts of Europe and especially LA, Africa, etc..., unless your kid is in the top 5-10%, you better be ready to "reward" the coaches to pick your kid over others... etc..., which is not the case in the US system.

Anonymous said...

Absolutely agree. You'll find parents of kids all over the world that only focus on results even at the big clubs. However, a parent at --lets say -- Bayern Munich's academy has way less (if any) influence then a parent on the sideline of many of the clubs within the US (somewhat because of the pay-to-play structure but not entirely).

The fact remains that too many US academies, USSF, and other teams cater entirely too much to the parents and not enough to the actual players. Mainly because they're scared the parents won't keep there kid around and keep paying the fees or the pressure of losing there job. This is completely mind-blowing to me. If the kids are developing properly, then results will come. Even if they don't then you'll still be developing players that can potentially play at a higher level whether it's semi-pro, college or even just a higher level team. Developing a player takes complete commitment and trust from coaches, players, parents or the organization that funds it (if it's free-to-play). It's very difficult to find a place like this within the US (there's a few).

So the next time someone throws around the D word people should ask -- who has the club teams or academies actually developed that has had real SUCCESS (keyword) at the highest level of the game. Ideologicallly, the answer should be every coach that kid has ever played for because we (parents too) all have a part in influencing the players future? It's what has a player learned along the way and do they have the talent & skill, will, commitment, intelligence, physicality and environment to make it and be successful whatever that level is.

he rules here are not like other countries when it comes to development of players. If the US has any chance of growing as a soccer nation then we need more clubs working together within the country's soccer infrastructure not against each other. We need more parents to help their kids growth not hinder it. And we need more coaches and parents that care more about the kids future and not just the wins and loss column. The more this begins to happen, then the US club teams and academies might have a chance of producing stars such as Neymar, Messi, Ronaldo, etc.

Sorry for the long post.

Anonymous said...

Great post. I agree that there is too much parental influence here because of the "money talks" philosophy. You can say that coaches want to be rewarded in Latin America and Africa but I see that happening in this country too. It's not helping the sport's growth in the U.S. I started out trusting the system, not so much anymore.

Anonymous said...

MLS Academies don't listen to parents,only their players. There is no cost so money is not an issue.
I think it's a pretty good system.

Anonymous said...

What happened at NJSA vs Cedar Stars game? Is NJSA a complete bust or do they have any talented players going against the regular starters of Cedar Stars?

Anonymous said...

6:41 You're right MLS Academies don't need to listen to parents and the system would work great if that were the sole issue. Most MLS academies don't get the support needed from the MLS to really bring the academy system to the next level. What's even more disturbing is the amount of non-mls academy teams, clubs, coaches that give players a difficult time to play for one of them MLS academies. I'm curious to know how many people here have experienced something like this? Did you stay or leave?

I've heard and witnessed too many horror stories of clubs and coaches mistreating players and their families just for even wanting to tryout for an MLS academy team. However, those same coaches have no problem if they go tryout somewhere overseas no matter where it is, and where the chances of making it to a professional level decrease dramatically, as well as, any chance of a college coach seeing you play (if that's your plan b). Many teams deter their players from joining an MLS academies (sad but true). Why is this? So they can win more games...that's just absurd.

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