Nice!!! Way a hit the books CSA boys!!!
Bla bla bla csa,bla bla bla,cmon people,wake up
I believe the overall health of high level soccer for boys is very good. Whether you fancy one academy over another for the multitude of reasons is your choice. Looking forward to the new season beginning very soon. Good Luck to CSA, PDA , Red Bulls and TSF fielding a U12 Academy program
TSF has been trying for years to get academy status. They finally got it. US Soccer must not know therm to well. They are only interested in profit and playing favorites.
Whew! Glad TSF is on-board to take the haters' attention away from CSA for an afternoon.Let me guess - there is still plenty of hate to go around....
At least CSA is new but what's TSF's excuse. All their best coaches have left.
So what if TSF has U12 academy team, World Class has a U14 academy team and what happens after that. They go back to playing club! I think that is such bull. And no, I do not have any kids on either club.
I agree with that. If US soccer wants a steady player development program for elite players (and how can you even identify an elite player at 12 yrs. old) why is a player in the program at 12, 13, or 14, then out of the program and back to playing club soccer.
CSA also has a problem after u14 academy because they will have kids wanting to be on their u16 academy team. They have Bergen u14 and Monmouth u14 and only one u16 team in Monmouth. No room for everyone.
my son was at NJSA and NJCSA for years. in reading this blog, i see lots of understandable emotion, some fact and some hope. heres my take. 1)if your kid isn't good enough, then he won't be happy at an CSA...by that i mean, if he isn't the top 2-3 kids at age u14, you can pretty much guarantee he'll be cut when it really matters. 2)Until U16, it doesn't matter if you're playing Academy (unless you are enjoying it and developing). but if you're goal is College, or better, then you want to be in a RESPECTED academy at U16 to increase your chances of gaining a college coaches attention... thus at U16, players come out of the woodwork and make it very difficult/competitive to continue in the system. At that point, many things play a role in team selection...certainly POLITICS...but also, there are simply higher level players making the switch to Academy soccer and its more competitive. Bottom line...if your truly a quality player, you're likely to make the team. If you've been a nice player, but not an exceptional player (and you aren't on Altirs list), you won't make the team. So my advice, if you don't fall into any of the above criteria at younger ages, don't hold your breath and think CSA will be looking out for its loyal players who put up with years of BS and reward you with a spot on the Academy team. Not gonna happen. I also agree wth the posters noting that Altirs and CSA track record actually isn't very rewarding. I also think its important to note that several EDP teams place more kids in Colleges than NJCSA and CSA. There are many paths to succeed in this game. But first know what SUCCESS means to your player, then be realistic about the possibility of achieving it, and then choose the path with the end game in mind. If you're kid isn't gonna be a professional player, I think its very important to spend time enjoying the game and the experience. Time flies by and we should make sure that even Elite players enjoy the experience. Going pro?...OK sacrifice and more misery is acceptable price to pay for the "dream"... but be realistic...if you're kid isn't standing out on 90 percent of the high level competetions he's in, that likely wont change and maybe the Academy stress/lifestyle isn't for you...at ANY ACADEMY. As far as all the new facilities go...sure thats impressive.. but remember that Altirs is a business man...he isn't dong this entirely for love of the game...hes doing it to build a facility that professional teams come use as training grounds...for the USMNT to come and use as a training facility.. how does this get funded? by tons of well-meaning, hopeful parents paying tuition. Sure maybe a few kids will benefit as players...but don't think thats the goal.
My son has fun and loves soccer at CSA right now and that is all that matters.
August 9, 12:59 PMThat was a great comment.
Haven't been on here for a while. I can say that NJCSA is heading in the right direction - their new facilities and the hiring of their U18 coach are indications. I agree though with the comments above about one particular NJCSA left-over coach. The implications that he may be receiving "favors" from certain players should be investigated. He certainly seems to have blind allegiance to certain players - and has, at least in the case of one player, pulled the wool over the eyes of the coach of a major college program. But that will become apparent later and will cost the coach and NJCSA all credibility with a coach in a major conference.
The coach in question does personal training of players for side money. Obviously those players are given special treatment, that shouldn't be surprising. Now for the new U18 coach, he's done it for years. While he was in Florida he was brought up to do training for $$$. Now the guy who arranged the trainings and his friends are on the U16 team. You don't think the favoritism isn't going to happen going to happen. Just be aware of the situation so you aren't upset when the favoritism continues. NJCSA is broken and nothing has changed. Fields can't fix the problems of favoritism.
Hey I read on the on top drawer soccer website that 4 players from PDA have decided to play high school instead of academy this year. They are all going back to play for scotch Plains. Is that true? If that is true, that will be a big loss for the PDA U16 squad.
I don't know but do you really think 4 missing players from a roster of 30 would make a difference? That team didn't have great results last year.
GA needs to be careful down at NJCSA. He is investing a lot of money and it can go badly very quickly. It was a huge mistake naming TR's loyal foot soldier as director of coaching. All of the bloggers above are absolutely correct. There is something not right - favoritism is one thing but there is something else going on. I doubt the new U18 coach will stay past this year if he needs to work for the U16 coach.
so much hate by the old people on this site. My boys are loving CSA- peace
The old NJSA was a horrible organization that hurt and disappointed a lot of people. The new CSA is heading in the right direction buy still has skeletons in its closet.
Adding a "C" to the name dosen't change anything. They reward no development and parking the bus by making him doc. Then you have a parents running the tryouts from behind the scenes. Nothing has changed. New fields doesn't change anything.
Once again old people who are disgruntled. I will continue to look forward and not backwards. First scrimmage on Saturday for the 14's - let the excitement begin. Best of luck to all the folks enjoying soccer and looking to a very bright future.
"old people"???You have no idea what you are talking about. Your oldest kid is a U14 and you are living thru him. Maybe you should respect your elders and heed their warnings.
No thanks, I will form my own opinion and watch the development of my sons in these formative exciting times. Fortunately I know what I need to know and am 100% correct. You enjoy your bashing and sorry that your kin did not shine for ya. Good luck
LOL! 100% correct? You know there are no guarantees in football. It may work out but it may all end in tears. I also thought things were great until my 12 yr. olds dreams were completely crushed in a very cruel way. Enjoy your journey!
He is 100% correct his son is enjoying his current time at CSA. That is all it is about. I doubt most of our kids will be pro players.If the kids enjoy their time and the parents can somehow stomach a situation where they are not in control it is a win for all.
you're wrong when you say parents have no control. Some have a lot of control. If you don't realize that yet, you soon will. Like everything else in life, it's who you know and money talks.
He's wrong in thinking his son is developing. Who says he's developing...you?....NJCSA?Let's just say he's having fun. Like any other kid in a town club team can say he's having fun. The reality is NJCSA is the Tinton Fall, Holmdel, Colts Neck, and several other shore towns club team that gives there parents a sense of pride to say their kid plays for an academy. The might have paid the USSDA fees to be called an academy. Most kids at NJCSA don't receive the ball on the proper foot, they don't open up correctly, they can only use their dominate foot, etc. There is nothing wrong with that, the kid is having fun but don't think you can just say your kid is developing and make 100% claims and think you are fooling anyone but yourself. NJCSA doesn't develop players...they take parents money. Keep your eyes closed, parent influence is all over that club. You are probably one of them. In fact, I'll claim I'm 100% correct, LOL.
You are correct on the "club team" mock as long as the best kids go up to PDA and RB. If that changes.... Not convinced that the current set of CSA-M coaches will be poor developers. Agree that the prior set were. Agree that the level of player going to CSA-M is not as good as PDA, RB, so you will see more of the technical errors you mentioned.Not much pride when you lose to other local club teams and by double digits to other academies. No one brags about that, so this view of the pompous, idiot NJCSA parent is misguided. Lack of options produce questionable decisions in hindsight.The only local Monmouth County kids I know that are up at PDA, RB are from wealthy families. Great they can have mom and dad drop everything for their soccer hobby. The other, not so fortunate, families need to rely on the local clubs, and NJCSA/CSA-M always showed/shows the most "promise." All parents in the know are frustrated by the history, but are you better off at Tinton Falls, Colts Neck, Ocean, etc.? Not clubs legendary for their development...
So what are the predictions and rumors for the upcoming academy season. Anybody has anything?
As to Academy vs top level EDP, I've come full circle. My boys have done both. I pulled my kids from top level EDP, went to non-MLS Academy, and then went back. Here is what I've learned. Unless your son is one of the top 3-4 kids on an Academy roster and/or has some kind of "in", he's not going to get enough game minutes. 10 games in Fall and Spring plus two showcases with limited substitutions that do not match up with college rules (and most kids want to play in college - national team level kids are a minuscule percentage of Academy kids) Take a roster of 24-26 (if you include DPs) and do the math- your son is looking at 50% playing time in not so many games if he is a solid player on the roster. Not enough game minutes is the draw back. On the other hand, the four nights a week of Academy training is extremely beneficial. My kids are now at a top flight EDP club. While the rosters are also 22-24, the boys will play in at least 3 times as many games -- with more game minutes per game due to the substitution rules -- and play in the top bracket of good showcases where they will be seen by college coaches (and none of these are in Texas in Summer- who scheduled that? Haha). The level of play is comparable enough to work (some of the players are more athletic, but a bit less technical, than the Academy roster). In fact, I think their birth year EDP teams could beat their prior academy teams 3-4 out of 10 times, maybe more. The interesting thing to me is that these scrimmages never happen-- I think they would be beneficial for all involved (more game type minutes for Academy kids, Club kids confronted with a team that is deeper technically).
Btw. My math was wrong (forgot to add the Academy Spring games) .. It's roughly twice as many games with top EDP, not three times....
August 27, 9:34Listen your math is way off, 3 or 4 players, come on. There are 11 starters plus 2 to 4 kids that always come off the bench. If you are one of the top 14 players you will definitely get some looks (just see how many kids have committed to college from each academy team). I was at an regular season academy game last spring and there were at least 7 college coaches watching the game, some were from very good soccer schools. I am sorry to say, but you are not going to get that at a regular season EDP game and by saying that, I am not trying to put EDP down, just stating the facts.Also academy is not for everybody, no every family can make 3/4 days a week practice, and all the long east coast travel. Plus if your kid is playing academy he needs to stand out (have at least over 55% start percentage, be one of the 14), because you are competing against, National team players,US training center players, Coaches' favorites and etc...
Thanks for the reply, 9:34. You got me thinking, as my kids were in the top 14 (in the middle somewhere IMHO) but not in the top 3-4. I went back and took a peek at one of my kids' DA records and saw that start percentage was 50%. I also remember getting calls in the Spring about how my son couldn't start two different games because other kids needed to get to 25% start percentage. The dynamic I saw was 3-4 always play all the time, 3-4 almost never play, and everyone else kind of split time. As to college coaches at regular season games, I totally agree that Aacdemy kids will get more looks than top EDP in that venue. However, if your kid is not one of the top kids who is being chased by colleges and being offered one of those very rare full rides due to soccer, he needs to reach out to coaches, make contacts, create a dialogue, and hope they come watch him play. If it's convenient for them and they have interest, they will come. Hence, Potomac, Bethesda, etc can be very helpful for the good (but not great) player as they will get looks there if they are at a higher level. I've seen this dynamic in action this past summer - I saw a coach talk to a kid about how well he did at Potomac. Of course, that coach had also gone to Frisco to watch the DA. My point is that Academy is not the only path and, if your son loves to play and is at a lower D1 / D2 / top D3 level, there is more than one way to skin a cat. Now, academics, lifestyle, and driving are key components, too. My kids are good students - it's hard to do well in AP if you are driving 50 minutes each way to practice 4 nights a week. sometimes the kids forget that grades are key - look at how each recruiting questionnaire asks about GPA and SAT/ACT scores: unless you are Pele, they won't even look at you if you can't get into the school. While my older one was ok on this score, I asked a college coach (top D3 level) to talk to my second one (rising sophomore) about this - he liked him as a player but said if he didn't get his grades up, he can't even consider him. I LOVED that chat... Ok. Enough from me. Best of luck!
Why do academy teams have a 25% but EDP teams don't? My son's EDP team has the same starters every game no matter if it's a league game or a showcase event. I've seen a lot of players leave over the years due to limited play time. If a player makes the team, he's good enough to play in games.
EDP should consider a 25% start rule since they say they're a development league. Doesn't the "D" stand for development?
That 25% start rule is bullshit. Most Teams don't fallow that, just check the players stats online for each team. You will see teams that have 3 to 5 players under 25%.Also most teams, whether it be a professional, college or Academy/EDP/High School tend to start the same lineup for most games. Teams only change their line up if a player is injured, has another commitment (national team duty), out due to suspension and etc... On another note, good enough to make the team, does not mean good enough to start. Keep that in mind.
The comment, which I agree with, said that if a kid makes the team, he's good enough to play in games. HS and college teams are all about winning, Academy is not. If they're going to say it's about development over winning, show that by giving every player adequate play time. Why do you think it's acceptable to have a kid on an academy team who never plays?
Are we being gullible in here, if we believe Academy is all about development. Ask that to the coaches of the Red Bulls, Philly, PDA and etc... Do you think those coaches are going to play the number 18 guy on the roster for 40 minutes every other game.It does not work like that, not here, not in Europe, not in South America. The only difference between US and over seas is that over seas they practice 5 days a week and also play in multiple leagues, tournaments and scrimmages so kids at the bottom may get more of a chance to play. But at the end of the day those academies all want to win.At the end of the day players who are on an academy roster are considered the best 1% (for the most part) of kids playing soccer nationwide. So if your kid is part of that 1% he better be good enough to be one of the top 15 players on the roster so he can get a good amount of playing time.
I don't have any idea about youth academies in Latin America but I do Know about English youth academies. They are all about development. Playing time is monitored and recorded for each player to ensure sufficient playing time. There are no league standings or championship games until u17/18. Every youth academy is required to have medical staff and education and welfare officers who look out for children's best interests. Youth development is seen as an investment in the future. The youth coach even works with the child's school teachers to ensure good progress. Kids in English youth academies don't play in multiple leagues, their games are capped in order to prevent burnout.
And England has not won a World Cup since 1966 , has never won a Euro. So early development is great and have produced the likes of Paul Scholes- but what other English player maybe Alan Shearer- but England has really never had a world class player- Never- still does not. They have good players and are at a similar place as the US- I believe the US has better younger players than they do
Yeah, like the red bulls defender who signed with Chelsea but couldn't get playing time and was loaned out to a Dutch club. Then there was the kid who went to Germany hoping to find better player development. So many young US players dream of going to England where they can develop their game.
Face it England has not produced talent or results - the US is on the way up- plenty of US youth in Europe and doing well- the late 90's- early 2000's was England's moment and it did not happen. Real Salt Lake building new academy - youth academies in the US are building for the future- we will pass England with ease- they need to worry about Iceland
sorry to say but you're pretty ignorant if you believe England does not have excellent youth academies that develop talent. You should educate yourself on youth development. US academies may be improving but have a long way to go. The fact that US youth are playing and training overseas proves that they have better youth development.
The best players in the English Premier League are not English. The best coaches in the English Premier League are not English. England is and has been overated for decades. Love to watch the EPL. I know that England has a good academy system. They are producing some very good players at the Championship, League 1, 2 level that's all. The American System will be the way of the future. We are in the midst of a great movement- Wales,Iceland, Ireland are all better than England at the moment- sorry if you can't accept it- My grandmother was from Brighton and have relatives in Norwich area- but the reality is what it is.On another note our DA team starts this weekend - hopefully the storm does not postpone the match- good luck, Not Pretty Ignorant
Many players from Iceland, Wales and Ireland have been developed at English academies. Especially Wales and Ireland.
I am new here and new to the NJ soccer world. My son is 2004 and played for Staten Island United (now part of Cedar Stars). Many members of the team have left and transferred to Cedar Stars Academy in Monmouth. My question is if I am going to drive at least an hour am I better off looking at PDA, World Class, Gottschee or stick with Cedar Stars? I have already paid a lot of money so this year may be locked in, but more for the future. Please rank each option and perhaps give the pros / cons of each. Thank you for your advice.
WC and BWG are not realistic from SI. Too far. PDA is good and close but competitive. Red Bulls?
Sounds like you answered your own question - stay. If he's a great trainer that's all that matters in my book. Your boy can always tryout elsewhere if you want to see how he measures up. But it is stressful and could work against a young man's psyche. Worth it? There are a lot of SI kids playing in NJ. If you don't look at your monthly EZ Pass bill it's not that bad. PDA has their kids fundraise and do a 24 hour soccer marathon. The minimal suggested fundraising amount was around $400. Then there is the golf outing and the awards dinner. Other clubs do this stuff too, or have you pay extra for indoor soccer, a futsal league, summer soccer, etc. You basically end up paying more than just the tuition price for these clubs so keep that in mind. BTW groceries at a NJ Stop and Shop are cheaper than SI ones. You can try to recoup your Port Authority donations that way, along with the gas.
South Carolina DA suspends operations http://www.scbatteryacademy.com/home/913785.html
Not a good opening weekend for NJCSA. Looks like more of the same for NJCSA. If more of this happens then there will be a parental mutiny over there. PDA u14 lost, the u16's lucky to come away with a tie, and the u18's got smoked.
Looks like PDA 18 played without a few pretty good players.
High school was much more important for some of them. Another example how its ok for some to do things whiles others can't continues at PDA. Heard the father of u14 player bragging on the sideline on Saturday that he was on scholarship while taking his family on a Caribbean vacation. Have had several children come up thru the club and the politics is unreal. The only people that would argue that point are ones that get the favors.Nothing in NJ academies are going to change till the politics stop.
I was told that the only kids allowed to play in HS instead of on their academy team were kids that were getting scholarship money from private schools. Why is PDA allowing kids to play at public HS? Then they come back to academy after HS. Biased system.
September 6, 10:34That is what the rule is supposed to be for, kids on scholarship at private schools. But PDA is applying the rule differently which they can. When you are considered the best players on the team, Coach's son, golden boys and etc... you will get these type of treatment. If I lived in the town of SP and my kid played for PDA I might want him to play high school this fall also. This is just the reality of Academy soccer in the NY Metro area. Keep in mind, this is not the first time PDA has done that, and I am sure they are not the only Academy that has pulled this card.
PDA 18 played without 3 top players (FWDs) - not the ones from SP who are young.
It's the u16 team that is allowing four players to leave academy to play at Scotch Plains HS. Then they come back to academy after HS. If those kids are allowed, why isn't everyone allowed? I guess there is a PDA coach who lives in Scotch Plains. One rule for some. Another rule for others. This youth soccer business is so bent.
Thank you, I was looking for break-up information on a youth soccer blog only yesterday!
12:11p.m. There have been players in every DA academy in NJ that played HS in the fall and then rejoin as soon as the HS season is over. Why shouldn't they? - the 'no high school' rule is ridiculous , and not that old- the myth of 'development' or chance at playing for the national team is well understood by the players who choose high school. Consider several types of players who are juniors/seniors in high school.The few - already have been at US nat'l team camps or residency program - have a real shot at playing pro - probably not going to play high school anywayCollege committed players - especially seniors - their motivation to be 'seen' by college coaches is gone. If the high school program is decent (and a lot more are now compared to 10 years ago) then playing HS may help them get ready for the physicality of college ballUncommitted players - These are the ones who should stay in the academy if they think they can land a college spotPlayers who know they do not want to play beyond HS/U18 - Why not play HS where they get playing time and the experience of 'Friday Night Lights'?Of the 4 types of players only the ones still looking for college exposure 'need' to be in the DA. I know putting a player's interests first is contrary to US Soccer dogma that the US national team will come from the DA but the players that fit that model who are high school age are already out of the high school game - Pulisic plays in Germany as a 17 year old. - and look at the U16-U20 rosters - large number of those are not even in the HS system- the point is that by high school age players are already identified as national team 'pool' players and US Soccer's need to have high school age players in the DA and NOT play high school is misguided. And they want to move this to the girls side too? c'monAnd if your kid can play high school, then go back to DA? good for them
Most of these academies make the players sign an agreement that they will not play or train anywhere else. Allowing some kids to play HS during the academy "contract" period seems like a decision by the academy to only hold certain players to that agreement. Obviously the better players have the clout to play HS and come back. I really don't care one way or the other, but it does seem a bit a bit hypocritical. Just imagine your son getting good minutes, making progress, then the kid who left to play HS comes back and now your kid is on the bench. They should either scrap the rule or enforce it.
Other high schools should not schedule games with the SP and DElbys of the worldIt's an unfair advantage as all the other high schools may have academy players that don't have this option
It doesn't really matter. It's not these academies best players. It's the academies most political tied in players. The best players are playing academy games in the fall so that is where my child will be.Any predictions on this weeks games?
My son is 2003, and playing for Csa Newark. He just got accepted to Next Gen Monroe, can someone give me feedback on their program. If he goes, he will miss 1 of his regular practices, and I am not sure if it's worth it.
While playing with his local club team, my son had been participating in RB RDS winter and summer programs for a few years and has been invited to the NJYS YOP (w/o tryout) this winter and to also try-out for the RB Winter Showcase team. He has since joined PDA and, as mentioned above, signed an agreement to not participate in outside training and play with other teams without permission, but he is not on an 'A' team or Academy roster.I'd like for him to gain the additional experience and training from those programs but not at the risk of losing his place (if don't ask) or being denied (if do ask).Have thought about asking his coach what he needs to improve on to raise his status to eventually move up to the 'A' and Academy teams, even before these opportunities, and, along with the Dir of Coaching, if there would be any issue with him receiving supplementary training and playing one-offs in the off-season through NJYS YOP and RDS...is that acceptable?For non-Academy/A players, would imagine more freedom allowed outside the team but could just be wishful thinking. He is one of the better players (top 2-3) on his team, and fits in vs. A team players during scrimmages, but still needs work on key parts of his game to make any jump. Appreciate guidance from anyone out there who may have went through a similar situation and how best to frame/handle...
September 16 1:51Since he is not on an Academy team, I don't think they'll have problem. They obviously want the kid to get better. Now if you start to miss games and practices, that is another story.
I think you should get permission to play with RB. Isn't that what you agreed to?
Yes, think requesting permission is the correct route. However, as his first season with PDA, it all seems a bit sudden, as the tryout for the RDS winter showcase is on Oct. 17 (would miss a training day) but the one-day training session and indoor tournament, if accepted by RDS, won't be until Feb or March 2017. Same with the NJYS YOP where the two training sessions are in mid-Feb and early March. No tournament or games as I know of unless gets selected to compete vs. RDS in a one-day reward situation. Seems quite soon to ask permission for something so far away, that may or may not happen...Perhaps just register for both now, attend the RDS tryout, and then request permission in January for the YOP and RDS winter showcase if accepted?
Unfortunately, in the past, PDA has released players for doing these activities. I know its a great thrill for your child to be selected for these types of soccer opportunities but as your kid gets older you'll realize they mean nothing. I'm sure your goal is to have your child get better. The best thing your kid can do is dribble in the back yard, set up cones to work on technical skills, juggle to set new personal records, etc. They will release your child. You have to ask yourself if its worth it. You can ask after the fact but it's clearly stated in your welcome email. Sorry. Remember making an RDS showcase team means nothing! Honestly the training isn't as good as it once was.
If you know the right people at PDA, your son can train and play where ever he wants to but the rest are treated differently. Sad but true. If PDA does allow this, keep it quiet because other parents will be jealous.
It's impossible to keep it quiet. The soccer world is a small one.
Does PDA countersign the agreement that they won't bring in new players, or that they will offer other training/supplemental practice to advance the boy? Will they let him 'guest' on another team for a tournament? If you don't get a good answer, then go to whatever supplemental training you can find, if he is really good enough, or favored enough, he will be allowed to do both. In the past, kids who played club for PDA , made RDS showcase teams, but did it 'under cover.' Eventually were offered spots on RB academy teams. PDA does not want its players leaving for other opportunities because it loses some players every year to RBs. - the very stated purpose of YOP is literally advertised as-"The Young Olympians Program, designed specifically for players born in 2004, is the next step for players preparing for the NJ Youth Soccer ODP. Players will be selected for the multi-session program after two initial tryout sessions. The Young Olympians program will focus on improving the player’s technical ability and tactical awareness while exposing players and parents to a US Youth Soccer and NJYS ODP environment. Since partnering with the Red Bulls in 2014, this program has also identified players for the Red Bulls’ Academy."However, RB has a history of turnover on its teams so be honest with your motives for doing YOP/showcase teams. If you are hoping he will earn a spot on RB academy team be aware of that turnover. The ODP program has been a poor return on investment (at best) for many years or a money grab (at worst). Interestingly, RB also restricts what other programs their players can do - including no ODP.I would register now, see how his playing time is during the Fall, then see if he makes the RDS/YOP programs, then seek permission.
Some of those kids that made RB were cut from PDA first. Others got cut from PDA and didn't make RB. ODP is a money grab and your kid won't get much from the training. The RDS showcase is just a practice and a small indoor tournament. As far as RDS training, it's not the same as years ago. The quality of the coaching staff has dropped and all they do is advertise that their academy players started at RDS but the reality is they might have done maybe one or two. Do the summer camp if you think you kid wants to looked at by the RDS staff. Be aware, although they say otherwise, the RDS staff has absolutely no say in who makes the academy. My advice is have him do cone drills and dribbling during the PDA season. And if you feel it nessesary to buy into the RDS propaganda then do a camp at Golden goal. PDA can't do anything about your summer raining but they will cut your kid and keep your money during the season. They have done it to several players.
Very cool way to open the new CSA facilities last evening with a scrimmage vs Equador U20's. Place looks great and new begginings are very optimistic
Thanks all for the feedback. A lot of food for thought. PDA is a great place and don't want to disrupt his progress and perception there. He is doing ok and has an opportunity to compete against many good players in his age group which should allow him to see where he rates and needs to improve. On the other hand, don't want to close doors for other opportunities as never know what may arise down the road. Will see what happens this first season and take it from there. Agree the winter showcase at this time is not that big of a deal - though it was exciting for him to know he was selected to tryout.
TSF U12 looked terrible against cedar stars u12 yesterday. Cedar stars won both games easily
What about the csa older teams?
The u18 and U16 played PA Classic. U18s lost and U16 tied.
U14's beat Virginia Dev Academy- 3-1
Who the heck is the Virginia Development Academy? Virginia can't yield a competitive academy with what they have, now they dilute it with amother academy.
You have no clue what you are talking about. Virginia's only previous loss was to DC United. And DC United pounded Philly Union 5-0, so do the research. You know what don't do the research - I will keep you informed
Yes, keep us all informed on the nonsense of CSA soccer. Look at the results of DC United and Richmond United at the older ages...the ages where it matters. Stop being a stupid soccer parent.
There it is Mr American Soccer Parent- RESULTS - you are right in line with the rest. Results are great but those boys who were/are at those 2 Va academies are playing at UVA, VCU, American U, Wake Forest ( Harkes), and on and on. So yes you can say a certain NJ team sent 18 boys to college- that is great too. Bottom line is all the teams we are playing are very good and the results are just that results. Watching my kid play MetOval, Balt Armour, Va Dev Acad, etc- talent level is very similar on all teams and is really great soccer to witness- kids are developing and thriving in this environment. Really good things are happening- keep watching that scoreboard Mr Soccer
Oh my goodness. So you hawk the college rosters to see where what clubs the kids played at. What is your kid 8th grade or 9th? Are you already looking for that full ride to UVA or Stanford? Your poor kid. It must be tough having a father that is micro managing his development. Just let your kid play and stop making your rediculous arguements. Your kid is at CSA. Why isn't he at RB or Union? That will ensure not only a top 25 college program but real money. Those 18 RB kids got no less then 1/2 rides to their schools and the balance from merit money. Not the case at other academies so you should get your kid to RB. Quickly!
I will let you know in 2 years where my son committed, good luck Mr Red Bull /Union is the only path guy.
You have a lot of faith in CSA. Your son is 14 and he's committing in 2 yrs? Good luck with that!
I didn't say it was the only path. But you are talking about development and college commitment when you kid is in 13/14 years old. I think the whole soccer world will say you are delusional and a bit crazy. Tell us all, where were you (or shold I say your son) before the all magical CSA?
Talking about development at any age is far from delusional and/or crazy.
But you are not talking about development. You are talking about college commitment after your team won their first game of the season. Did you ever think your perspective of development is askew. Many of us think it's askew because you are shaking your pompoms so feverously for CSA when many of us know the truth.We are all glad you guys won your first game. Hope you got your game schedule emailed to Coach Gunn. Stanford has been waiting for those 8th grade players at CSA.
With all the changes to ownership, facilities and staff, knowing the "truth" about CSA is a misnomer. You, as well as I, know the past. The present is still in flux and the future is TBA, but the needle is definitely pointing up.Some mock this guy for talking about college so early. I also think is it odd to be so fixated on results as the only barometer of success, as so many do.
I agree, development isn't always measured in wins. But this guy kept talking on how great the u14 CSA team was with all the development with not even a month of preseason. (If you look at the coach, those in the soccer world long enough know this guy doesn't have a good track record regarding development. In fact, he was fired then rehired at CSA.) Then they win their first game of the season against VDA and he's talking about college commitments.
I haven't been in the soccer world a long time, so what are the names of the coaches (local or regionally) who have a good track record for development and why? College commitments IMO don't necessarily have any thing to do with player development in most circumstances.
I see some discussion about RDS Showcase. My son made the showcase team at a pre-academy age. How good are those teams? Do many of those kids go on to make the full academy at 12 or 13? Do the winter showcase kids also play summer showcase? Thanks.
The RDS showcase teams tend to be very good talent wise. A group of their current 2005 RDS kids just traveled to Canada and did well. Some of these kids will probably make the academy team, most won't. RDS and the actual academy are not one in the same. RDS can make strong recommendations and give them a headstart for a tryout/trial but nothing is guaranteed.BTW- most academies have their own methods of pooling and selecting talented players (I purposely did not use the word 'develop') including NYCFC and Philly Union.
Are you saying that RDS does not develop players? They are not solely responsible foe a young player's development but they certainly add to it and it could be the first step to entering their academy.
Why does RDS have a 2005 team? Isn't that the same age as the U12 Red Bulls Academy team? Will RDS have a permanent 2006 or 2007 team next season?
The majority of all u12 Academy teams are predominately made up of 2004s, some 2005s, and a stray 2006 here and there. And since they play two small sided matches each weekend- the teams can divide the roster in anyway they please. The Red Bulls RDS team is better described here - http://www.redbullsacademy.com/new-york-red-bulls-expand-youth-platform---launch-pre-academy-teams/
The RDS 2005 team is not an academy team, they are considered pre- academy. This year the U12 USSDA academy teams are actually 2004 birth years, with some 2005 kids playing up. Next year (2017-18) the USSDA will conform to the new birth year model. The U12 academy teams next year will be 2006 birth yrs. My son is an '05 who currently plays age up on a U12 academy team;next year his age group will be U13. Hope that makes sense. It really amounts to the fact development academy soccer is one year behind birth year changes.
Very helpful 4:19PM, thanks. So next year, USSDA Academy teams will start at U12 and be 2006s, right? I guess that also means some 2007 top kids will also go up to U12 academy, which is quite a jump up from playing 7v7 games now. Sounds like the true Academy programs will need to locate the best 2006s and 2007s to get their youngest academy teams off the ground running. I did not know those younger kids were so close to USSDA Academy age.
Yes that's correct @4:43. Since there are '05's playing up with '04's this year, I am sure there will be '07's playing up with the '06's too. It is a much faster pace, but the boys are playing small sided 9 v 9, 30 min halves. Also, the 2 team/2 game format per weekend is nice. All kids roster, all kids play. I know that will change I am sure at the U13 level.
Wow, I had no idea a kid as young as 10-11, born in 2007, could play US Academy Soccer next year (if they play only one year up). Academy starts much younger now than in the old days. I guess that is good.
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