Saturday, August 31, 2013

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Anonymous said...

Fair enough. Still much work to go, especially at the older ages. Also, let's see in 10 years. Hopefully for the state, a major success story.

Anonymous said...

Ugh. My sons u11 traveled form NJ to CT for an 11-0 trouncing. At leT I got to heR some insane a reaming and crtiticzing of players from coach Muckle he is absolutely horrible coach. All other NJcsa teams are dead last in e wrt age group. I've asked for money back to get son out. The answer was absolutely not. May be there would be mass exodus. This place is horrible

Anonymous said...

If you threaten to sue them for child abuse you might get your money back. Children need to be treated right, i

Anonymous said...

My son was asked to play on njcsa 2001 pre academy. I was told by other parents they had several players leave over last 12 months. i shoul dhave known that was a bad sign and stayed away and declined. we did not as we though it may just be rumors.

Well it is not rumours. the place is a shanmbles. Town teams are more organized and better coachs. The score was so bad against dc this weeked it is not even being reported. develpment, there is none here. my son cannot wait for year to be over and has already asked if he can quit.

How can they represent themselves as an Academy? Just look at their results and development of what? year after year tons of players leave and there is no sign of improvement.

Anonymous said...

I read on this post that coach SM of njcsa shot ball at players head. Was anything dun about that or investigated. I would like to mtalk to person who posted that as it may serve as basis to get money back. Thanks

Anonymous said...

Cedar stars needs to clean house there asap before their name and rep is harmed further. What r they waiting for, thoughts?

Anonymous said...

If NJCSA is providing an unsafe, toxic environment for children, they are breaking their contract with parents and you have every right to get your money back.

Anonymous said...

good point. Thak you

Anonymous said...

Curious to see the above post about the scores being reported. Looked at USSDA Rosters for NJSA 15/16,17/18, and NEPAL 'no players found' and noticed 23-25 players on each team? Why does CSA only carry 20? I am certain CSA could have easily rostered 30 with their reputation, but chose against it. Why? Because they only select the best and want their players to develop and have touches on the ball. It is very apparent that the main difference between NJSA and CSA IS the money. How do they expect to play 25 players in a season? But they will gladly take your $$$ for a roster spot.

Anonymous said...

Heck, I think 20 is too high!

Anonymous said...

Sorry, but some of you have no idea of what you are talking about!

Anonymous said...

Now that statement must come from experience. Care to refute with details?

Anonymous said...

What's the difference between CSA (Cedar Stars Acad) and NJCSA - Im confused?

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Anonymous said...

Which one is an official Academy? CSA or NJCSA ?

Anonymous said...

Both CSA and NJCSA are official academies. The only difference is that CSA only has a team in the U14 age group and NJCSA has team in the U14/U16/U18 age groups. CSA oldest age group in the whole club is U14.

Anonymous said...

Next real academy? They played ONE game, ONE game as a 13/14 Academy and you compare them to RB and PDA? Just like everything else you say on this subject, you have no clue.

Anonymous said...

Next real academy? They played ONE game, ONE game as a 13/14 Academy and you compare them to RB and PDA? Just like everything else you say on this subject, you have no clue.

Anonymous said...

So their not an Academy? That is why it is called U13/14 academy. LOL.

Anonymous said...

Is NJCSA an official academy now but won't be in 18 months? I'm guessing that next year CSA will have 2 academy teams and NJCSA will still have 1.

anonymus said...

As of today NJCSA is the official Academy.

Anonymous said...

9/27 - CSA vs NJCSA 7:30 PM @ S.J Vianney !

Get on your boxing gloves

Anonymous said...

CSA played NJCSA in a scrimmage last week and the score was CSA 4 x 2 NJCSA.

Anonymous said...

cedar stars having all academy teams in 2 years. One a year as their u14 gets older. That was the deal brokered by USsf. Money talks .... Njsa 04 bullshit walks.

How can anyone really think the present njcsa is going to continue with their piss poor coaches and dot, bargain rental facilities, and year after year poor results.

Anonymous said...

cedar stars having all academy teams in 2 years. One a year as their u14 gets older. That was the deal brokered by USsf. Money talks .... Njsa 04 bullshit walks.

How can anyone really think the present njcsa is going to continue with their piss poor coaches and dot, bargain rental facilities, and year after year poor results.

Anonymous said...

That makes a lot of sense. Cedar Stars is building their academy up from the bottom. That's the way it should be. Their priority is their academy,strengthening it and NJCSA is getting moved to the back. In 3 yrs. Cedar Stars will be a strong academy.

Anonymous said...

Another practice...another night Coach S. Muckle at NJCSA heeping abuse on 11 year olds. Where is the accountability and oversight by the club?

Anonymous said...



does anyone know what the new njcsa game time rule is and how they plan on playing so many rostered kids? do the strong players get automatic 100 percent playing time or do they too have to have an occasional seat on the bench? if my kid is still striving to be better will he sit all games? if anyone knows what the cedar star playing time agenda is then please let me know as the coach did not let the parents know directly.

Anonymous said...

PLEASE do not disparage or insult individuals by name or initials. Keep the discussion informative, lively and engaging not negative.
Sincerely,
Youth Soccer Talk

Anonymous said...

11:10
Keep in mind that there is a 25% start rule in academy, so that means that the players have to start 25% of the total number of games. So in a 20 game season each player will have to start 5 times.
At Cedar Stars, the core group will play in every game (like in most other clubs) and no unnecessary substitutions will be made as per the coach. Playing time will depend on how well they played the last game, how well they practiced that week and obviously, how good they are. Last game, the coach only made 4 substations out of 7, so 3 kids did not get in the game.
How was it at NJCSA’s last game?

Anonymous said...

11:10
Keep in mind that there is a 25% start rule in academy, so that means that the players have to start 25% of the total number of games. So in a 20 game season each player will have to start 5 times.
At Cedar Stars, the core group will play in every game (like in most other clubs) and no unnecessary substitutions will be made as per the coach. Playing time will depend on how well they played the last game, how well they practiced that week and obviously, how good they are. Last game, the coach only made 4 substations out of 7, so 3 kids did not get in the game.
How was it at NJCSA’s last game?

Anonymous said...

From experience, at NJSA 04 you will get 7 or 8 kids starting every game and most likely playing full time with the rest splitting time to adhere to the 25% rule. It is my understanding that there are still 5 subs a game max so even though a player may start under the 25% start rule, they may start and then only play 15 or 20 minutes in those games. Of course, depending on the game situation, injuries etc.

Anonymous said...

12:59 We were told by the coach that they are allowed 7 subs now as per the league and it seems like it is a new rule. But I believe that he will only use all 7 substitutions when we are either winning by a good margin or loosing by a good margin.

Anonymous said...

Academy soccer isn't all it's cracked up to be. 2 showcases/year is all. Haven't seen too many college coaches at those. All you folks with college soccer aspirations might be better served finding a quality club team and attending college camps. Who knows if the academy system will be around in 5 years? Why do you think PDA and Baltimore Bays and other high quality organizations keep memberships in both Academy and club soccer leagues? The Academy league is structured entirely to unearth 2-3 kids who may have National team potential. For that you want to drive 5 hours up to New Hampshire to play one game? Club teams can play in any number of showcase events it pleases.

Anonymous said...

I take it his kid did not make the academy team.

Anonymous said...

Is there really a big difference between the club team, the pre-academy team and the academy team? They all use the same trainers and coaches, For example PDA Pele, which is a top club team and PDA u17/U18 academy.

Anonymous said...

How about NJCSA? A lot of people agree that they're a poorly run club with poor results. Are we supposed to believe that there academy teams are high quality?

anonymus said...

Is there really a big difference between the club team, the pre-academy team and the academy team? They all use the same trainers and coaches, For example PDA Pele, which is a top club team and PDA u17/U18 academy.
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That's a poor comparason, absolutely different quality of soccer being played!

Anonymous said...

Will you explain the difference in quality? They're both PDA trained teams. They play the same style of soccer. And why did you repeat my whole question?

Anonymous said...

Uhhhh...just maybe, the talent is different?

Anonymous said...

That's your opinion but mine is that there is not a huge difference.
I know kids who have left academy teams to play on club teams because the club team is close to home and they can also play on their high school team. I also know a boy from PDA Pele who now plays on NJCSA Academy team. Different strokes for different folks.

Anonymous said...

NJCSA or NJSA 04 are a much lower caliber of team than PDA or Red Bulls. There is simply no comparison. PDA is ranked in top 5 every year of all soccer clubs based on multiple metrix. NJSA 04, NEVER.

If travel is not an issue, you are much better off playing for PDA club team if you can even get in than playing for any NJCSA Academy team. The fact is no coaches care whatsoever if you play for NJSA 04 Academy team. THey will tell you diferent but it is fact. Go to any showcase, no one watches NJSA 04 unless they are playing PDA or Red Bulls. Why do you think they were so eager to change their name to NJCSA while Cedar Stars barely mentions the merger and has not changed their name.

Anonymous said...

It does seem strange that CSA seems to be distancing from NJCSA and they own it. I wonder whose decision it was to change NJSA's name.

Anonymous said...

What proof do you have that they are distancing themselves from NJCSA?

Anonymous said...

Please let me know what academy you belong to if you have had a parent meeting to go over all the points of the academy, expectations, busing to away events that are a distance, trips, playing time, coach specifics and a basic introduction.

Anonymous said...

9.19 I don't have proof and I'm not looking for any. I just stated that it SEEMS LIKE CSA is distancing themselves from NJCSA. Why doesn't CSA mention the merger on their website?

Anonymous said...

http://www.cedarstars.com/csanjsa.html

anonymus said...

at 5:44 PM - Seriously! You believe that the teams are at the same level, because they are from the same club? News flash, there are players that are at a higher level than others. Playing the same style of soccer does not equate to being at the same level.

Anonymous said...

Some of these comments are funny keep them coming. Same club /trainer = same players hahahahaha

Anonymous said...

The comments are funny but I think the point is that academy soccer is not black and white, there are gray areas. If PDA club teams are better than NJCSA academy teams, that shouldn't be. MLS academies are different because there are no club teams.

Anonymous said...

If PDA club teams are better than NJCSA academy teams, that shouldn't be.

And why shouldn't that be? If the quality of the organization and training is much better than the other, it does reason that this can possibly be the case. Parents would rather pay and see their children develop on a Club team than whither away at a sub-par Academy.

Anonymous said...

Ther are several reasons people still go to NJSA 04. Travel, unable to make PDA, Vanity and believing the false promises espoused by njsa 04. They simply play on parents being naive, uninformed, vain or all of the above.

Anonymous said...

Clubs feed off the parents that don't have a clue. Especially these clubs that have multiple teams for same age groups....Team B and C's they are money makers and owners are getting rich off clueless parents.

Anonymous said...

Uhhhh...why don't any of you experts ever mention if the boys are actually having fun playing? This is never mentioned here.

And, just because you put a new name on an academy, that means its going to better? Based on what? A website post? New fields? And that's going to make the program better how? No one even asks, does the new organization even have GM, DOC or qualified coaches? Again, never mentioned here?

Anonymous said...

I wouldn't say havinging coaches and dots demeaning players at games/practices AND continual bad results is having fun. But players are told that this is part of development. If you want to have fun go play elsewhere.

Anonymous said...

There's no easy solution but I would believe what I see, not what I hear. Sometimes, kids don't understand that they're in a bad situation. Maybe the parent should 1. have a meeting with the coach to discuss the problem or 2. just leave with your child.

Anonymous said...

HELP! My son's team lost 15-2 yesterday, yes 15-2. This against a team that isn't even an ACADEMY. I know it is about development, development of what hearing your coacuh -- Muckle -- and getting thick slkin from the abuse and brutal beatings of the team. His coach -- S. Muckle -- is a complete fraud and humiliates them. Where is the DOC? No word, nothing. I've complained and again nothing. NJCSA and DOC simply does not care, they got their money.

This place is an absolute joke and coach is completely uselelss. How many bad results year after year, team after team, and players leaving in droves is need before they at least sack Muckle.

Anonymous said...

Dude, just leave already. Grow up and make a decision. Or, stay and deal with it. What kid of example are you for your son. Whining all the time.

Anonymous said...

And I see they lost 11-1 last game. Money well spent. Do not even mention development in the same post as these horrific scores. What can a player possibly learn from this type of experience week after week? Someone from NJSA owes you an apology for selling you such crap.

Anonymous said...

Please stop with the NJSA drama.... Ok we got the point it sucks there.... In the mean time the 2000 age group this weekend had some interesting scores....

RBNY beats NJSA only by 1-0 as NJSA bunkers in and lets only 1 goal in

PDA, national champions....., looses 5-2 from Philly Union

Matchfit beats Cedar Stars 3-0

very interesting....

Anonymous said...

But don't worry, the new owner will fix everything.

Anonymous said...

Yeah really. THe whole NJSA 04 NJCSA organization, DOT, coaches, facilities, is complete crap. We all know that. Nothing new.

Anonymous said...

PLEASE do not disparage or insult individuals by name or initials. Keep the discussion informative, lively and engaging not negative.
Sincerely,
Youth Soccer Talk

Anonymous said...

I am looking for advice. My son too is onthe same team at NJSA coached by Muckle. I cannot recall ever even hearing about losses this bad. This coach has no idea about teaching children. Oddly the players have talent but on the field their confidence is shattered by coaches abuse and non stop yelling. If I express any concern I have been told doc will blacklist me and child and I have to ride out yeAer as no one will take son now and I am also td NJSA won't release players to spite the
For leaving. Suggestions?

Anonymous said...

Stop the complaining and just leave if it's that's that bad. I will go as far as to say that if it is truly that bad, you are a bad parent for letting it go on and not removing your child. Stop with the money excuse and leave. Just do training with another team if you want your kid to get training. I've watched a game and you are exaggerating your claims on this site. Stop the one person (maybe 2) attack. And again, that age is not academy so take your remarks somewhere else.

Anonymous said...

The coach needs to be removed, not the child

Anonymous said...

Oh and was that the 11-1 or 15-2 loss you saw. If u r doc y not give refund or back player pass. R both meant to keep mass departure of team from happening?

Anonymous said...

Parents really should not blame just one coach. The whole organization is a mess. I'm sure that coach is not happy with the situation either. There's always stuff going on behind the scenes that we don't know about. When his contract expires, I doubt he'll be renewed. In the mean time, get the child out if it's negatively affecting him. The DOC can't blacklist him from other clubs.

Anonymous said...

I agree with that. The coach is under pressure t0o. It's not fair to take his frustrations out on children, especially when parents are paying huge money, but it's understandable. The parents should remove their children. Join another team and let the new club fight for a release if needed.

Anonymous said...

Looks like the CSA u13/14 Academy is going to have a long season. It's okay i guess, they will have time to develop.

Anonymous said...

Somebody should tell the CSA coach that playing academy is not the same as playing EDP.

Anonymous said...

Now that their club is academy status, they'll be drawing a lot of talented players. Isn't that the case with any club when they first get academy status?

Anonymous said...

So it's obvious the NJSA poster is a former player/parent. You keep speaking about being blacklisted and only want money back. You would make so much noise on the sideline, it would get back to the coach and DOC. So you'd be blacklisted already. And don't think your antics on here aren't being noticed by your new club because I'm sure the DOC has made that call already. Hope the Admin starts deleting your posts because you keep using names. You have made your own kids soccer bed. Everyone will know who you are and unfortunately it will hurt your child.

Anonymous said...

1:27 That is a good point. It is their first year in academy. Also not everyone knew that they were becoming academy this year.

Anonymous said...

Oh yeah. They will draw away from RB, PDA and the new NY academy next year. and all that academy level talent out there too? Where?

Anonymous said...

Give Cedar Stars some time to adjust here. If it were that easy to adjust any team club could do it.

Anonymous said...

People should chill. This is just youth soccer. Let kids have fun and enjoy watching your child play at whatever level that may be. There you will find peace.

Anonymous said...

They have already done that. They have players from PDA, MF, and some EDP clubs on their current roster.

Anonymous said...

Bad coaches, spiteful parents, bad clubs. Such gripes have been around since youth sports began. These are all just opinions and as all know opinions are like $^^#holes, everyone has one. Don't read to much into anything you read on line. Make your observations and then decide whats best for you

Anonymous said...

Agreed. This has been going on forever, but the first for an Academy to be dragged through the mud with such disgust.
It seems very odd that there are no NJSA defenders on here. It would seem at least one parent would say something positively intriguing in the defense of the club. Anybody, Anybody, Bueller?

Anonymous said...

Both NJSCA U16 and U18 only lost by 2 goals (2-0/2-1) to the RB this weekend. This past season the U16s made the playoff. Too me that is not bad. I am sure the parents of the older kids on NJCSA are not here complaining. It is the parents of the younger one's whose kid is on the bad team and is riding the bench that are making all the fuss. Any club/academy that you take your kid too, there is always going to be a bad team and a bad coach.

Anonymous said...

Good point. The younger age group's parents are upset because the future of the club is in question but the academy teams seem o.k. It will take CSA a few yrs. to get going.
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Anonymous said...

I do not believe the older kids parents care anymore. They probably have been in that situation at NJSA for a while and are at the stage where all that maters in finishing HS and College, not development. It does though depend on how those games were played for the young player's parents. If NJSA did 'bunker in' as a previous poster claims during the 2000 game than I would question: are they just trying to keep the score close by throwing everyone back on defense for scoreboard watching or are they actually playing soccer. I certainly hope it is the latter. Any one at any of the games care to relay how the games were played?

Anonymous said...

2000 NJSA complete defensive line and center defensive mid played exceptional against the Red Bulls. NJSA Goalie was incredible. Soccer was being played. Red Bulls dominated but NJSA would not let them score. I was very surprised.

Anonymous said...

Good post!
Finally something positive on this board!

Anonymous said...

Playing nine in the box is not good soccer.

Anonymous said...

Ok but they did not get blown out, and if that kept the game close, power to them. Would you rather have them opened up the game and lost 7-0, then everyone in here would be talking smack about them. You dammed if you do you dammed if you don't.

Anonymous said...

U.S. Soccer DEVELOPMENT Academy

keeping a game close with 9 in the box is more like U.S. Soccer LOOK GOOD FOR THE BOX SCORE Academy.

such a travesty

Anonymous said...

Like no team has ever played a defensive - counter attack style. Unreal with this one-sided NJCSA bashing.

Anonymous said...

Not a fan of NJSA and many posts about them are correct, but give credit where credit it is due. There is nothing wrong with playing a defensive shell against what you believe may be a superior team or against any team for that matter. Italy did it for forty years, Chelsea did it against Barcelona.

Players an coach deserve credit for making it a game.

Anonymous said...

Watched both 18's and 16's NJCSA vs RB @ redbull practice facility. how 'bout just a game report rather than the constant barrage - and yes once parenting at older age groups, so much of this seems, well.... silly.

18's 2-1 to Redbulls with NJCSA playing with 10 men (double yellow) for most of 2nd half but able scored late in 2nd half. RB looked comfortable but maybe took foot off gas near end to allow goal. Talent and speed on both sides.

16's 2-0 to RB's with both teams working out of back with a few over the top balls both ways - refs probably should have issued yellows to both teams in first half (maybe reluctant b/c of 18's sending off)RB's goals both excellent, first off counter attack at close of first half where NJSCA had pressed too far up and did not recover in time, Both teams still looking for chemistry - solid back line for both as well, but RB had better of offensive chances.

Neither team happy with reffing for either game. Interesting to see several former RB players on both 16/18 for NJCSA - overall good, competitive matches

Anonymous said...

NJSA will never improve until Jay Teitelbaum starts to understand that this is meant to be a serious soccer organization and not the Marlboro County Club where his friends' kids, who aren't even interested in playing soccer, can play for free.

Just sayin' because that's what I'm hearin'...

Anonymous said...

Stop naming coaches you moron.

Anonymous said...

Maybe he doesn't care too much anymore because there are changes coming.

Anonymous said...

Soooooo.....let's start a new thread which has nothing to do with NJCSA or the former NJSA04.

I think the NJSA04 bashing is over the top, no matter the experience.

So, anyone checked out the NEPAL 2001 results lately? Who do you think will compete with RB? Before RB joined, FC Delco and Westchester owned that group.

Anonymous said...

Cedar Stars and SAC both look good after the first 2 games.

Anonymous said...

I know a few players from that age group on RBNY and CS and think that it will come down to these two teams dominating the league this year. But you are right DC area teams should not be overlooked... this year it may be SAC.

Anonymous said...

I guess we will know more after this Sunday's game down south.

Anonymous said...

I think it would interesting to see how the 2001s and 2002s progress in NEPAL. Looking forward to PDA joining that group at some point. Should give us a good glimpse of the future.

I do think the NEPAL league has some good teams, and they play a fast game.

Anonymous said...

Waz up with PDA? Why are they joining at some point and is not starting out with the rest of the teams?

Anonymous said...

PDA did not field a pre-academy 2002 or 2001 team this year. Not sure why, but am seeing signs they could be gearing up to do something next season. Worst case you would see them at U14 Academy.

Anonymous said...

what is weird is that PDA has 5 games schedule on the U13 age group, almost as if they have not scheduled all their games as of yet. Anyway PDA did not have U12 last year only a U13 so I am assuming if they do put a team in the league it will be in the U13. By the way the Pre-Academy league took out the standings for ages U13 and under only the standings for the U15s are up.

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Anonymous said...

No names or initials please. Its time to move on

Anonymous said...

Anyone looking at the NextGenUSA group?

Anonymous said...

What is that? Never heard of it.

Anonymous said...

Check out nexgenusa.org. These guys used to run TIP in the EDP league. Now doing talent identification on East Coast. My son have done a couple development day training with them. Looks like they are trying to raise the bar.

Anonymous said...

Were the NJCSA U15/16 and U17/18 suddenly dropped from the ussda league? I don't see any results from their games.

Anonymous said...

I see the teams listed. They may just be late in recording the results.

Anonymous said...

Next gen USA has a lot of good ideas and looks promising for the future of US Soccer but it looks like they're just starting up and trying to attract interest.

Anonymous said...

Boys side ussf academy question - are all of the local (pa,nj,ny,conn) u14 sides free? I know the Redbulls and Union are, but I also hear that the everton/westchester teams are free (at all ages) and that the majority of U14's do not charge - anyone know?

Anonymous said...

I don't think that is correct. Match Fit U14 is free, but that is because they dropped their U16 and U18 academies so they decided to make the U14 free. Cedar Stars, NJSCA, PDA you have to pay. I heard FC Delco is suppose to be free starting next year. In my opinion most academies are going to be free within a few years, because that is what the USSF wants, but I am not sure every academy can afford to do that. Not every academy has enough club teams to help support their academy teams. Because you know most likely, that is where the money is going to come from, the regular club team under that academy will end up costing more so that the academy teams can play for free.

Anonymous said...

Supposedly MF is free because that was the condition set by USSF to keep Academy status for U14 age group. All other NJ Academies, with the exception of RBNY, charge about $2,500 per year plus travel to tournaments, indoor winter practice, etc.. Some of the Academies are free for their U16 and U18 teams.

Anonymous said...

If USSF wants all academy teams to be free, they should be paying for that. Non-profit clubs shouldn't have to charge more for club teams to provide free academy teams.

Anonymous said...

MLS teams can pay for their academies but it's not clear who will be paying for club academies. I do think that all academy teams will be free eventually but travel expenses can be very expensive. Do MLS academies cover all travel expenses?

Anonymous said...

Looking forward to this weekend brother/sister match up. NJSA squares off against Cedar Stars. Any prognosticators want to take a shot?

Anonymous said...

NJcsa looses all games and very badly. That is a bet u can take to Vegas and bet the house.

Anonymous said...

Both of those teams are going to have a difficult season. Yes, they may beat teams like Albertson or Seacoast, but it will be a rude awakening for CS. Still think CS will beat NJSA.

Anonymous said...

Coaching, talent and mental - all advantages favor CS by one or two goals.

Anonymous said...

CS has already played NJCSA in a scrimmage a few weeks ago and they beat NJCSA 4-2 in a com from behind victory. CS had a couple of their core players missing and also started the game with mostly their bench players.

Anonymous said...

6:01 all players travel expenses are covered by the MLS academies.

Anonymous said...

Thanks. It's difficult for club academies to compete with that but
I think that an MLS only academy system would require too much travel.

Anonymous said...

It continues to astonish me why so many people continue to compare MLS academies with other non-mls academy teams playing within the USSDA. Even though they play in the same league their overall agenda is completely different.

MLS academies were established to develop professional players to play primarily in the MLS...that's it. If they're lucky this will amount to about 1-2 players every couple of years. MLS academies are part of the USSDA because that is where it's believed the best competition is within the US. Whether or not they win or lose games or gain national team exposure for the players is completely irrelevant. Their goal is about creating the best environment to develop professional players and selecting players that are talented and aspire to play at the professional level. The goal is not to get a kid a college scholarship or to win the most titles at the youth level or even make the national team. Sure...if they're doing a good job then all of this comes with the territory.

Too many people continue to compare results and rant about which team or academy is better Ask yourself...what is the end goal for the player and what do they want? If it's just to develop and get the most you can out of the game and have fun then any academy might do. However, if your kids are interested in developing into a professional player then the natural progression should be either an MLS academy or somewhere abroad.

What was Messi's, Ronaldo's, Dempsey, Tim Howard or any pro players team record when they were 10, 11, 12, 13 years old? Nobody knows and nobody cares. It's about understanding what the kid wants and what sort of sacrifice they're willing to make for it and if they're talented enough to play at a higher level. People in the US are so obsessed with results especially at the youth level and which team is better than the other. We finally have an environment in this country were kids have a real chance of fulfilling their dream of playing professionally and all we still talk about is what the score was on the weekend. Don't get me wrong learning to compete and win is important for a kids development but not at the expense of their development.

Anonymous said...

Amen brother!

Anonymous said...

If you think that parents of kids playing for youth academies of big clubs are not focused on winning and results at 11, 12, etc... you are very mistaken. With some first hand insight into European youth soccer and professional clubs, I can say, yes the system there is way ahead, and the infrastructure continuum from an early age on is much, much better, but I have been at session and games there, and have listened to the parents. Trust me they are sometimes even more delusional than parents in the US.

Another thing that no one talks about is that, in many parts of Europe and especially LA, Africa, etc..., unless your kid is in the top 5-10%, you better be ready to "reward" the coaches to pick your kid over others... etc..., which is not the case in the US system.

Anonymous said...

Absolutely agree. You'll find parents of kids all over the world that only focus on results even at the big clubs. However, a parent at --lets say -- Bayern Munich's academy has way less (if any) influence then a parent on the sideline of many of the clubs within the US (somewhat because of the pay-to-play structure but not entirely).

The fact remains that too many US academies, USSF, and other teams cater entirely too much to the parents and not enough to the actual players. Mainly because they're scared the parents won't keep there kid around and keep paying the fees or the pressure of losing there job. This is completely mind-blowing to me. If the kids are developing properly, then results will come. Even if they don't then you'll still be developing players that can potentially play at a higher level whether it's semi-pro, college or even just a higher level team. Developing a player takes complete commitment and trust from coaches, players, parents or the organization that funds it (if it's free-to-play). It's very difficult to find a place like this within the US (there's a few).

So the next time someone throws around the D word people should ask -- who has the club teams or academies actually developed that has had real SUCCESS (keyword) at the highest level of the game. Ideologicallly, the answer should be every coach that kid has ever played for because we (parents too) all have a part in influencing the players future? It's what has a player learned along the way and do they have the talent & skill, will, commitment, intelligence, physicality and environment to make it and be successful whatever that level is.

he rules here are not like other countries when it comes to development of players. If the US has any chance of growing as a soccer nation then we need more clubs working together within the country's soccer infrastructure not against each other. We need more parents to help their kids growth not hinder it. And we need more coaches and parents that care more about the kids future and not just the wins and loss column. The more this begins to happen, then the US club teams and academies might have a chance of producing stars such as Neymar, Messi, Ronaldo, etc.

Sorry for the long post.

Anonymous said...

Great post. I agree that there is too much parental influence here because of the "money talks" philosophy. You can say that coaches want to be rewarded in Latin America and Africa but I see that happening in this country too. It's not helping the sport's growth in the U.S. I started out trusting the system, not so much anymore.

Anonymous said...

MLS Academies don't listen to parents,only their players. There is no cost so money is not an issue.
I think it's a pretty good system.

Anonymous said...

What happened at NJSA vs Cedar Stars game? Is NJSA a complete bust or do they have any talented players going against the regular starters of Cedar Stars?

Anonymous said...

6:41 You're right MLS Academies don't need to listen to parents and the system would work great if that were the sole issue. Most MLS academies don't get the support needed from the MLS to really bring the academy system to the next level. What's even more disturbing is the amount of non-mls academy teams, clubs, coaches that give players a difficult time to play for one of them MLS academies. I'm curious to know how many people here have experienced something like this? Did you stay or leave?

I've heard and witnessed too many horror stories of clubs and coaches mistreating players and their families just for even wanting to tryout for an MLS academy team. However, those same coaches have no problem if they go tryout somewhere overseas no matter where it is, and where the chances of making it to a professional level decrease dramatically, as well as, any chance of a college coach seeing you play (if that's your plan b). Many teams deter their players from joining an MLS academies (sad but true). Why is this? So they can win more games...that's just absurd.

Anonymous said...

2:53 that is concerning. What do you mean by mistreated (examples)? Son plays for non mls club that is an academy, wants to tryout for local mls club next year too. WhAt are we in for? Have been with this club for a while. want to avoid hard feelings or burn bridges, have been happy there. Does he just stay put?

Anonymous said...

Like I said, beaten and beaten badlt

Anonymous said...

Njcsa looses 16-1.

Anonymous said...

Is destroying a team 16-1 really necessary? I think that's showing unsporting behavior.

Anonymous said...

Agreed.

Anonymous said...

Which NJCSA team lost 16-1. Cannot seem to find it. This has to be a joke.

Anonymous said...

It's no joke. The NJCSA v Cedar Stars U13/14 game. I don't think they will post that ridiculous score.

Anonymous said...

CSA 1 x 0 NJCSA. CSA outplayed NJCSA specially in the second half when they made a couple of substitutions but they missed a few chances. The game should of been maybe 3 or 4, but that is soccer.

Anonymous said...

16-1 1-0?
Apparently only one was at the game and the other is a pot stirrer.

Anonymous said...

All academy schedules and scores can be found here http://ussda.demosphere.com/schedules/2014-2015/all.20149.html

All pre-academy games and schedules can be found here http://www.nationalpremierleagues.com/NEPAL/Schedules/index_E.html

CS vs. NJSA score not yet posted but heard from multiple sources that it ended in 1:0 for CS.

Anonymous said...

Who won the NJCSA vs Cedar Stars game Sat?

Anonymous said...

Nevermind, my computer wasn't refreshing....

Anonymous said...

00 Cedar Stars were defeated by 00 Match Fit. Anyone know what happened at that game?

Anonymous said...

That is an old game. Anyway, just check the academy schedule web site.

Anonymous said...

Matchfit has a strong team. 4-0 with 0 goals against. Very good results for an academy that is supposedly on the way out.

Anonymous said...

Match Fit lost the game to Red Bull 5-0, Red Bull is 4-0.

Anonymous said...

Njsa vs philly union results anyone know they are not posted

Anonymous said...

18s - NJCSA 2 - 1 Union
16s - Union 3 - 0 NJCSA
14s - Union 1 - 0 NJCSA

Draw your own conclusions but decent results for the NJ academy IMO.

Anonymous said...

It all depends on how you look at it. If a club is going to go through a year defending 9 deep to keep the score close for 'competitive' results, then yes, it is decent. Some would be more concerned with having 1 or 2 wins in 20 some odd games with a .33% goals scored for average. Was anyone at any of the games? From what I hear it was more of a defensive practice session than an actual game at one of the particular age levels. Don't shot the messenger, its just what I heard!

Anonymous said...

If you have a 2000 kid and you live in NJ, we all know that you first go to RBNY, and if your kid doesn't make it then you go to Philly Union or PDA, then CS or Matchift, and if you didn't make it any of those places, then you go try out at NJSA..... I think that says it all. Yes, geography plays a role, but the point is NJSA is the last place you go to.

Anonymous said...

3:16 that is not necessarily true.

Anonymous said...

unfortunately it is

Anonymous said...

What if he's happy with his team, he feels comfortable there, has friends there and plays with confidence. That's what's important. Not just winning.

Anonymous said...

If those are the only reasons which matter, than go join a decent local travel team. He'll get the same takeaways and allow you to put your money towards private training for development. Because your not getting any at NJSA. Isn't that the primary reason you are at an academy? development?

Anonymous said...

5:56pm post said it well

Anonymous said...

5;56 Come on now; why are we singling out NJSA. None of the 5 academies in New Jersey are developing players. You may have about 5 kids in each academy that they had them since they were 10 years old and you may be able to claim that you developed them, but aside from that the rest of the players all came from somewhere else already with some type of skills.

Anonymous said...

And then unfortunately you get to watch those skills diminish over time with the lack of quality programs.

Anonymous said...

Agreed. Most kids from Academies come from outside the program. But the key is how they develop 'further' once in the program. It's common knowledge that NJSA is extremely weak at developing players. Just look at their annual open tryouts. You do not see players knocking down the door to get in. Nor, do you see many current players offered invites to other academies out there. Maybe some day it will improve. But at the moment with the crew they have running NJSA it is not worth it.

Anonymous said...

11:54 that is right.

Anonymous said...

You are right. The "top academies" can recruit the best players and that happens every year even at their younger groups. But if your kid isn't part of their select/starting group or getting major minutes, he probably isn't developing adequately anyway or even happy. The best players at any DA can play in college. What seperates top tier and lower tier teams is depth of talent. A change of scenery and an opportunity can do wonders for confidence.

Anonymous said...

NJSA does not provide busing to games that are a great distance for players. No level of academy professionalism. This should be a priority for US Federation Academy.

Anonymous said...

Njsa is done. Don't forget to turn out light.

Anonymous said...

9:49 with exception of the MLS academies, none of the other academies provide buses for long distance games.

Anonymous said...

The current DOC at NJSA has done nothing since his arrival except collect a paycheck...like Obama says....its time for chnage

Anonymous said...

Same reason why the Red Bull Academy fired him.
Claims to have 'created' the RB training program but when you speak to any of the coaches over there, they knew him as an office clerk. Has a nice big training manual he touts to incoming parents but never seems to use it in his sessions.
He's a farce......

Anonymous said...

After a brief respite the NJCSA bashing is picking up again. I liked it better when we were adding something constructive to the site. Give it a rest, pleeeeze!

Anonymous said...

Amen!

Anonymous said...

why is it picking up

Anonymous said...

USSF U14 Camp call ups just announced. Lone NJ kid is from down south and plays for the Union. NY represented by NYRB (2 kids), Met Oval (3), and Gotschee (1). The latter clubs 2 are also NYCFC affiliates i.e. feeders.

Interesting to note that the Philadelpia Union on their website list both the "previous" and "developmental" clubs of the academy player. As you might imagine, plenty of NJ kids but many are from smaller clubs like the player that got the called up to the camp.

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Anonymous said...

correction on my previous post.... just realized that these are 2001... still Met Oval doesn't dominate this age group... RBNY much stronger age group and so is CS and PDA.

Anonymous said...

Yes, these are mostly the 2001 cycle. Teams with all or mostly 2000s will do really well or dominate the 13/14 age group. Hence teams with little depth that have to play kids up have a harder time.

Just a guess, but the Met Oval kids are already being set up for NYCFC. Red Bulls will now have a recruiting battle now for the NYC, LI, Conn., etc talent which will make things much more interesting. Philadelphia Union also has the territorial rights and strong feeder programs further south. Competition makes everyone better but also makes clubs a little anxious and reactionary. So if your kid wasn't getting much playing time, I would be a little nervous. Lots of clubs talk "development" but kids that help them get wins get prioritized. Then another round of musical chairs begins again.

Anonymous said...

How are those new facilities coming along at NJSA

Anonymous said...

I would like to know how players are selected for the US training camps. Are they really "called up"
or are they just sent there by academy staffs who say here are the players we want to promote. It seems like some good players are never invited.

Anonymous said...

'How are those new facilities coming along at NJSA'

Answer:

" We have committed to working on a soccer complex that will enable us to continue to grow and attract players to our state of the art facility. The planning stages have begun and we hope to have this completed within 12-18 month’s"

It has only been 6 or 7 months since this announcement. Give them some time!



Anonymous said...

Kudos to Philly Union for working with local clubs to locate the best talent. That's why they list their player's previous clubs. All academies should be doing this.

Anonymous said...

2:26 I agree with that. It is a really nice thing to do that.God knows they did not develop those players.

Anonymous said...

It is fact that MLS academies did not develop players from an early age but club academies sometimes do.

Anonymous said...

So who developed this player? Mostly everyone knows where he played his academy in NJ yet not even a mention of it.

http://americansoccernow.com/articles/towering-teen-danny-barbir-lands-at-west-brom

Anonymous said...

He spent the last few years in PDA before leaving to UK. Note that many of the top prospects are children of immigrants from LA, Africa or Europe. They grow up with fathers who are fanatical about football (soccer) and I believe that that growing up in that environment gives those kids somewhat of an advantage vs. the non-immigrant kids whose fathers/mothers grew up playing basketball, baseball, etc...

Just go watch people at a soccer match in US vs. Europe or LA..... a whole different level of passion.

Anonymous said...

nO, THE REALITY IS WE HAVE GIVEN OUR CHILDREN A BETTER LIFE, OR MORE ADVANTAGES THAN PLAYING A SPORT COULD BRING. JUST LOOK AT ENGLAND. NO UPPER CRIST LET ALONE MIDDLE CLASS PLAY SOCCER. THE REASON FOR THAT IS .0001 OF 1 PERCENT MALE A DECENT LIVING. SURE THERE IS THE ROONEY OR LAMPARD, ABOUT THE 40 MILLION MALES WHON PLAYED SOCCER AND ENDED ABOUT BEING BRICK LAYERS. PLEASE, THINKING YOUR CHILD IS GOING TO BE NATIONAL TEAM PLAYER IN A CUNTRY OF 300 MILLION IS NOT BETTER THAN THINKING YOU CHILD IS GOING TO WIN THE PICK SIX, TWICE.

LOVE YOUR CHILD AND FOSTER EDUCATION, AND EMJOING JUSY PLAYING THEN GAME, YOU AND HE/SHE WILL BE BETTER SERVED

Anonymous said...

You sound so cliche 10:21pm poster. Your comments are totally misguided...

Anonymous said...

...and fix your keyboard so you can continue typing in lower case instead of CAPS. Your keyboard may get a heart attack from all the exitment.

Anonymous said...

If anyone here' seriously believe their child is going to the mls they need to do some serious sole checking and curb their ego an frustrated athlete syndrome

Anonymous said...

Just be realistic, if you are going to spend 2 grand on an academy program kick in a few bucks for the SAT prep class as well.

Anonymous said...

Talking about sub-par academies. NJSA doing well in PA PreAcademy Tournament this weekend. 5-1 and 4-0 losses. Not to worry, weak PA Classics team up tomorrow. Tough going when they do not play 9 back.

Anonymous said...

two comments...

1) academy is about $5,000 / year unless you play for RB or PU. Tuition plus travel. HOWEVER, if you are on a high level township club and you pay region 1 and showcase tournaments it's about $4,000 / year with all the travel and hotels....not a big difference

2) Take a look at the PDA academy players in the past two years and the schools they ended up (bottom right of page) in...http://www.pdasoccer.org/alumni/index_E.html

(PDA is free at U16 and higher).... it looks that these parents spent money on academy and SAT courses.....

Anonymous said...

Subpar, they are not event that.

Anonymous said...

Stellar showing this weekend by NJCSA...they couldn't win a single game in any age group even against non academy teams...Some development.

Anonymous said...

NJCSA 99 NEPAL won 1-0 over PA Classic at NEPAL Tournament
And not one scout watching their games.

Anonymous said...

There never are.

Anonymous said...

How would you know if there was a scout there? They never announce themselves.

Anonymous said...

They were all at the PDA game. You would have had to be blind not to see them.

Anonymous said...

With all this talk of development, how many Red Bull Academy players have made it up through the ranks to the first team? I saw an internet article from Dec 2012 that only six players had made it up until that time, and only two I had ever heard of (Lade, Kassel). Seems to me they get the cream of the crop but cannot develop the talent to a professional level.

Anonymous said...

Lade was only at red bulls academy for one year before he went to college at St. John's. Red Bulls had very little to do with his development but red bulls claim him as a home grown player.

Anonymous said...

Most of the MLS academies have had difficulty transitioning players from to the first team with the exceptions being LAG, RSL, FCD. Many articles have discussed this particular 'donut hole' in the development system. But it's not like their players end on the street. Many of them end up committing to the best soccer schools in the country for free (scholarship w/financial aid package).

Until there is an adequate league to stash a talented 18 year old player, then many will opt for college which to be honest doesn't do much for development as well. Also many, many of our most talented players just aren't "student" material and will fall through the cracks in the ID process. Thankfully a handful have been getting opportunities in places like Europe and Mexico.

Anonymous said...

I think many of these posts are incorrect about NJCSA. My son plays there and he is one the best youth players I have ever seen, and I have heard the same from many others. We have only been there a few months but the coaches and results I have seen are all excellent. I am told facilities will be A1 in the near future.

Anonymous said...

Agreed. The doc at Njsa told me he made red bull academy and left because they would not allow him to develop players and at Njsa he is doing just that. And that other academies in nj don't develop players.

Anonymous said...

Here is one: Juan Agudelo - NJSA --> PASCO --> RedBulls --> USMNT --> etc, etc. He is still only 21

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